Jamie McCarthy writes:
>In message <[email protected]>
> (I’ll quote your whole response, Al, so Kevin can see it too.)
> Let’s see if I follow.
> You “didn’t assert this was impossible,” though you clearly did imply
> that in your previous writing.
You don’t follow; I was referring to other testimony.
> But now you assert that “this is a total fantasy…a blatant anti-German
> lie.”
Hart’s testimony is a total fantasy.
> Kevin’s question (and mine) goes unanswered. How do you know that this
> is a lie, a fantasy? What logic, reasoning, evidence, leads you to this
> conclusion?
> The only thing you present in your email above is a rhetorical question,
> namely “under what circumstances….” Rhetorical questions are not
> generally considered sufficient reason to announce that someone is a
> liar.
When someone makes allegations of this nature they are supposed to back them
up with evidence.
> Maybe if you answered your own rhetorical question, it would help.
> _My_ answer to the rhetorical question would be “under the circumstances
> at the time she described: in a middle of a war, in a country that
> considered Jews to be subhuman vermin, at a death camp.” So you see,
> I can’t follow your reasoning; you haven’t given me any reasoning to
> follow.
Hart states that she saw an SS man pick up a baby that was sucking at its
dead mother’s breast and throw it into the oven. We know that these ovens
were in the crematoria, so, unless she is referring to an oven in the bakery,
she must have witnessed this in one of the crematoria. We are told further that Jews
were gassed, not in the crematoria, but in the gas chambers.
If this baby were sucking at its dead mother’s breast, the mother could hardly
have been gassed. Therefore we are left with the proposition that the mother
had just been murdered in the crematorium, by what means we are not told.
We are not told either how this young girl Kitty Hart was in the crematorium,
how she came to witness this murder without SS man Wagner being aware of it.
If he was aware of her presence then surely she would have gone into the oven as
well. No comment is made on this. No reference is made to her referring this
to the authorities after the war.
This story is a total fantasy, a lie from beginning to end. If you attempt
to give it any credibility whatsoever you are taking the piss. I suggest
you take the piss out of someone else.
Allternatively, if you’re terrified, on peril of being smeared as anti-Semitic,
of branding any Jew a liar under any circumstances, however blatant her or
his lies, say so.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Nonsense. If you could back up such a claim, you would have quoted the
> relevant passage with full references. Where are they?
If I give you two references, will you retract and apologise?
—
Alexander Baron
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Having witnessed the sick spectacle of the State v O.J. Simpson on British
TV I can say I am glad we have reporting restrictions here. As a litigant in
on-going civil proceedings I can discuss them on peril of being a) thrown
into gaol and b) having them struck out.
You can goad me all you like but I am not going to make any comment on them.
Do you understand? You can continue to repeat as many lies as often as you like,
but you do so without intimidating me. I can say however that on October 22
I will be in a position to make a comment on one portion of these proceedings.
This is subject to legal advice and to the decision of the court. I can tell
you Harry that, brief as this announcement will be, you will not like it.
Any comments posted by you or anyone else on this subject before that date
will be ignored.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> While it is one thing to assert that it is a lie, it is quite another
> to prove it. If you could prove anything of what you say, you would
> have posted your proof long ago if only just to shut us up.
The burden of proof is not on me, but on the people who promote these
fantasies.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Raskolnikov” writes:
> Who was this Jewish spokesman, Al, and for whom was s/he
> speaking?
Check out the ADL sponsored book “Anti-Semitism in America”; Michael
Berenbaum’s statement in the Tulsa World in 1992; check out “Anti-Semitism
World Report”, a book published yearly by the Institute of Jewish Affairs;
check out various editions of the Jewish Chronicle. This is no big secret.
Or are you trying to tell me that Jewish organisations never make these charges.
> And what was specifically said, and where can we read this?
> And even if you’re 100% correct, what the hell does it
> have to do with your apparently low opinion for other
> people?
I have a low opinion of people who falsely and maliciously accuse their
fellow citizens en masse of being bigots, haters, liars and nascent Nazis.
Obviously you don’t.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Wed Oct 4 14:19:06 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Raskolnikov” writes:
> I don’t read the Jewish Chronicle. Is it available at
> newstands? And again, why should i pore over every issue
> i can find of the Jewish Chronicle in the hopes thatr someone
> might throw out a statistic on antisemitism?
> You made the claim, *you* find some support for it.
> > Or are you trying to tell me that Jewish organisations never make these
> charges.
This isn’t an outrageous claim by Al Baron, it is a claim made regularly
by Jewish pressure groups.
> Al, you made an unsupported, unsubstantiated statement about a “jewish
> spokesperson” saying that some incredibly high percentage of people
> are anti-semitic. You then used this to make some angry statements
> about people you consider to be liars false accusers.
> Why the hell should I believe that your vague unsubstantiated assertions
> about a “jewish spokesperson” are true? simply because you say so?
Let me get this straight, you are saying that my claim that Jewish and
Zionist organisations throw around the charge “anti-Semitism” with gay
abandon is a fiction?
I think someone like Jamie McCarthy should answer that.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Wed Oct 4 19:03:31 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Baglow” writes:
> A friend of mine, commenting on the O.J. Simpson trial, referred to the
> “epistemological undermining” which that whole sorry spectacle was
> creating. Obviously, the man was and remains guilty as hell of a horrific
> double murder.
I’d like to make two points. The first is that, however outrageous you, I, or
anyone else may find an acquittal, I don’t think anyone has the right to
question it.
The second is that a lot of this nonsense is the result of brainwashing about
the so-called evils of the mythical disease of racism, which jousts for
competition with anti-Semitism. In Britain there are riots everytime the
diminutive British National Party tries to hold a legitimate meeting; the
BNP’s sin is that it advocates repatriation for non-whites. Yet the same
people who protest hysterically totally ignore such things in Africa
and don’t give two fucks for any black on black human rights abuses, or
any abuses carried out in the name of socialism.
As Revel said better discrimination without murder than murder without
discrimination. You can thank the “Civil Rights” movement and its descendants
for the acquittal of OJ Simpson.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Oct 6 09:51:06 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “James Cohen” writes:
> There is no gender issue. A person, OJ simpson, murdered two other
> people. There is no other issue here, exept possebly the total lack
> of respect for the american judicial process that will surely come.
If Simpson were to sue you for libel, how much damages do you think he
would win? One cent?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Oct 6 11:40:11 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:
> At least the ADL took a poll, whereas
> Mr. Baron stuck his head up his arsehole, and proclaimed, “There is no
> light in here!”
Harry, you surprise me. And disappoint me.
—
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 6 11:41:20 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Buster Royko” writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> >i’d lile to hold your whinning, cry-baby as down and blow smoke into
> >your fucking face. keep smoking – asshole.
The idiot who posted the first message about ZOG trying to destroy your
right to smoke might like to bear in mind the following:
1) the tobacco trade was developed largely by Jews.
2) an urban legend amoung American blacks blames ownership of tobacco companies
on the Ku Klux Klan, presumably to give them cancer.
3) the British Fascisti, in the 1920s, used to sell Fascist Cigarettes.
4) the most fanatical non-smoker of all was Adolf Hitler; during the 40s,
one of the reasons for deporting Jews to Auschwitz (the few that remained
in Berlin) was smoking in the street.
5) at the Belsen trial, at least one witness claimed to have been disciplined
for smoking.
Smoking and anti-smoking is not a racial issue, it is a free choice issue,
though anyone who wants to ban it can be rightly called a health fascist.
—
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Oct 7 08:22:32 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Dave Rosenberg” writes:
> >I’ll bet anything that this is the first time in US history that a
> >black man was aquitted for the murder of whites with so much evidence
> >against him.
What about the Mary Fagan case where they lynched an innocent Jew instead?
> >You white people need to sit back and take a long deep breath. Count to
> >100 and listen to some soothing Jazz. For the very first time in your
> >lives you have a case where a black killer of whites *may have* been
> >freed by a jury, with what you think is overwhemling evidence. The
> >anger, frustration shared by you people cannot *begin* to compare
> >to the generations of blacks who have this happening incessantly. The
> >killing of Latasha Harlins was not 1920, 1950 or 1960 in was in the
> >1990s. If you know nothing of this LA trial, I think this reveals
> >something about your *real* feelings about justice and race.
> First of all, there was no real evidence against O.J. The DNA? Van
> Netter (sp?) walked around with the blood for hours. And some of it
> mysteriously disappeared. And all of a sudden there are a bloody
> glove and a bloody sock. Sorry. Nobody should buy that.
> > Second of all, Fuhrman is not my brother. I’ve never met him, and
> would not meet him for fear of having to shake his hand. As far as
> I’m concerned he, David Duke, Jesse Jackson, and other racists can
> get the fuck out of America.
> Lastly, there are obviously problems in this country. It’s not in
> the justice system or its format. It’s in the people associated with
> it. Fact is, there is a division in this country, aka racism. And
> goes both ways. But until parents stop teaching their kids that
> racism is wrong, it’s not gonna go away. I’ll argue things are getting
> better. Not *much* better, but better. And with each generation things
> will get better. We just need to make it happen faster. I’m tired of
> this shit.
> –Dave
> ****************************************************
> * David Rosenberg [email protected] *
> * University of Georgia “NORML’s Hempilation CD *
> * Athens, Georgia now available in stores” *
> ****************************************************
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Oct 7 13:55:41 PDT 1995
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1 in 5 Americans Anti-Semitic, Survey Finds, Tulsa world, November 17, 1992:
more – and typical – ADL slander.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 8 07:34:30 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected]
“Asia “I work in mysterious ways” Lerner” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Let me get this straight, you are saying that my claim that Jewish and
> >Zionist organisations throw around the charge “anti-Semitism” with gay
> >abandon is a fiction?
> 1) This is not the claim you made.
> 2) What is your definition of anti-semitism? Whether the estimation that
> 1 in 5 Americans are antisemitic is shoking or plain realistic simply
> depends on your definition of the word.
I have stated that Jewish/Zionist organisations regularly claim that a fifth,
a third or even more of the population is anti-Semitic.
My definition is someone who hates Jews, or who wilfully incites hatred against
Jews. That is a very narrow definition but it is the most valid one. I don’t
include as anti-Semites any crank who peddles conspiracy and related literature.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 8 20:29:37 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Anonymous IU Student” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] “Dave Rosenberg” writes:
> >> >I’ll bet anything that this is the first time in US history that a
> >> >black man was aquitted for the murder of whites with so much evidence
> >> >against him.
> >What about the Mary Fagan case where they lynched an innocent Jew instead?
> Specify. What ‘innocent Jew’ was lynched by what black people? When?
> How do you know that there was evidence against those charged?
I didn’t say he was lynched by blacks, dickhead. This is a famous – or
infamous – case concerning the murder of a young girl in a factory. There
were two suspects, a Jewish factory manager – who was also a wealthy Northerner
– and an illiterate Negro who was known to be an habitual liar. The Jew was
convicted of the murder, and sent to gaol. A mob broke in and lynched him.
Look up Leo Frank in a Jewish encyclopaedia.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The NIGGER walks!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Civilized Man” writes:
> >You also need to learn about foreign policy. Little black children all
> >over the world feed you people with their slave labor picking pinnaples
> >in Kenya and beans in Nigeria. Raw goods= ‘donations’ from the west?
If it weren’t for whites – our ancestors – these “little black children”
in Kenya and elsewhere would still be living in mud huts. Most of them would
die in childbirth or in childhood of some disease or other. Don’t give me
any of that black civilisation shit.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 9 23:15:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: O.J. acquittal? Oh, hell–an apology to Les Griswold
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] ”
” writes:
> Elias Halldor Agustsson ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In <[email protected]> Alexander Baron
> <[email protected]> writes:
> : >As Revel said better discrimination without murder than murder without
> : >discrimination. You can thank the “Civil Rights” movement and its descendants
> : >for the acquittal of OJ Simpson.
> : No, you can thank the marvellous ability of defense attorneys to instill
> : the sensation of “reasonable doubt” into the minds of the jurors.
Let me ask you a question: would you convict a man of two murders when the
detective in charge of the case is asked point blank: Did you, Mr Furman,
plant evidence in this case?
He replies: I exercise my 5th amendment right.
How can any jury convict after that?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:44 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Pimply-faced creeps are welcome to try!
That is not my quote! I don’t advocate violence against anyone; I leave that
for those poor, persecuted POWERLESS people who shoot Palestinian schoolchildren
on their way to buy milk.
> I don’t sue respectable people for libel (including the Commissioner
> of Police) and I certainly don’t fear Mr. Baron’s colossal lies.
You should really get your facts straight; don’t forget that the people
who have been feeding you this have also been feeding you stories about
gas chambers, you silly little man.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Since you haven’t offered the tiniest nubbin of evidence that Kitty
> Hart is a “shameless liar”, why shouldn’t Mr. McCarthy continue to
> call you on it. Apparently, we’re all supposed to reject Ms. Hart’s
> story merely because you find it unbelievable. Don’t you find this
> a bit odd, Al?
Read my further posting. Hart’s story is an outright lie.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:45 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Once again, Baron dismisses a testimony not because of any
> rational argument, but because he doesn’t want it to be true.
Mr Baron dismisses this testimony for the same reason a policeman would.
Or anyone with half a brain. We are being asked to believe that a woman was
led into the gas chamber – don’t forget how crowded they were – with a baby
sucking at her breast. They were gassed, and the baby alone survived. Leaving
aside the fact that the babies were supposed to have been thrown into the fire
alive (remember Wiesel?) the door was opened and voila! all the Jews piled up
in the centre, SS man Wagner walks in (with his gas mask on?) finds the bab
lying there, and runs out and throws it into the oven. But weren’t the gas
chambers in the basement, Dan?
Let me ask you a question Dan, straight. Are you taking the piss? Are you
really a secret Revisionist who is doing everything in his power to make
this already implausible story totally unbelievable? Are you sure you aren’t
really an agent of Willis Carto?
Grow up, Dan. Hart was told a lie and repeated it gratuitously. But that is
nothing new for survivors, Jew and Gentile.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:46 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: How Gay Men Have Sex and What they do *Not* Eat in the Process.
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
Oh yeah, the AIDS Cover-Up is good too. The author – Gene Antonio – got
his mathematics wrong, but he covers in depth the sort of filth homos
practice. Again, only for those with a strong stomach. You might also try
reading the personal ads in any faggots’ newspaper. Stoner was right: Thank
God for AIDS.
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Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: How Gay Men Have Sex and What they do *Not* Eat in the Process.
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> >Try studying the literature; part of the “gay” myth is that these human dung
> >beetles don’t eat shit and that being queer is a positive alternative to
> >being normal.
> What literature are you studying, Al? Please cite it so I can check it
> out.
> I have never heard of any specifically gay sex practices that involved
> the direct eating of feces. But I’ll ask some gay people about this
> just to be sure.
Again, try Fumento’s book to start with, it’s crammed with references. If you’ve
got a strong stomach you can read The Orton Diaries. Nothing in that about
eating crap but he boasts of doing everything else, including abusing young
boys in Tangier.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Could it be that Mr. Baron, who is unable to eke out a
> living by selling his odious pamphlets, is attempting
> to make his living by harassing honest and decent people
> into a settlement?
You haven’t answered MY question. Which honest and decent person, you odious
little creep?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
>I guess such an explanation would be
> along the same lines that you explained how the US Federal Reserve is
> controlled by Jews, that is, no explanation at all but another
> assertion of your rather distorted view of how the world works.
Still repeating that lie, John? Please reprint the quote where I said that
the Jews control the Federal Reserve. It doesn’t exist.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Al, please–I don’t know how many times you’ve been asked this. What,
> exactly, do you find unbelievable about Kitty Hart’s story? Do you
> just refuse to answer this question? Is there something in the story
> that strikes you as physically impossible, or what?
Read the passage: she says that a baby was gassed, sucking at its mother’s
breast, then the SS man found it and threw it into the oven. Do you really
believe that? Do you believe in the tooth fairy?
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> It is a small wonder why you have been so reticent about posting any
> information that would make it easy for your readers to verify your
> claims. You have an uncanny ability to utterly misrepresent what you
> have read.
> It is as plain as can be the Kitty Hart did *not* see the baby thrown
> into the “blazing oven,” nor does she claim to have seen such a thing.
> It is as plain as can be that Kitty Hart is reporting what was told to
> her by a member of the Sonderkommando. Hart could only be deemed to be
> lying if someone could show that she misreported what she was told.
I’m clutching at straws? You defend this drivel and you accuse ME of clutching
at straws?
> That being said, I still do not see what is impossible in the account.
> Hart may have got the detail wrong that the baby didn;t die because it
> was sucking when in reality the baby did not die for the same reason
> that others did not die: the door was opened too soon. Though I would
> like to believe that my fellow human beings are capable of such
> cruelty, they nevertheless are.
On a scale of one to a million, how much credibility do you give this nonsense?
Hart’s book is an autobiography, I repeat.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Nizkor: lap-dog of untruth
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The article below was given to me sometime ago by Lady Birdwood. It is taken
>from an American anti-Semitic newspaper, probably $Christian Vanguard$.
Lady Birdwood is as gullible as she is sincere, and believes every word
of this nonsense. I think it requires little comment; the woman in question
was obviously so mentally disturbed that she confused the ancient folklore
of Jews ritually killing Christian boys with the modern folklore of Satanists
snatching people off the streets and breeding babies to sacrifice to the
Devil.
Implausible as this woman’s story is, it is a great deal more credible
than the dross spewed out by Kitty Hart of SS man Wagner and the baby,
and of Dr Bendel’s “eyewitness account” of the wicked Nazis despatching
5 people with one bullet. Indeed, if you have been following the trial of
Rosemary West, you will find the story below not simply plausible but rather
tame.
All the same, this story provoked howls of outrage from Jewish groups. One
would have expected someone as highly paid as Oprah Winfrey to exert a
little more critical faculty. By the same token, one would expect academics
like Dan Keren, John Morris et al to exert more than a little.
If you accept the lies and nonsense of Kitty Hart and Dr Bendel at face
value, you should not find fault with Oprah Winfrey’s guest either.
“On May 1, 1989, the Oprah Winfrey show had as its guest a person
who, as a young girl, was forced to participate in a ritual in
which an infant was sacrificed. The amazing thing about the guest
is that she was not affiliated with some unknown radical blood
letting cult, but that she was a JEW.
“According to an article on the show in the $Chicago Tribune$,
the woman was “undergoing long-term psychiatric treatment,”
apparently because of her horrible experience. The newspaper
article is quoted below in its entirety.”
The article is from the 7th May issue, is credited to the $New
York Times News Service,$ and is entitled $Jews Protest Sacrifice
Tale on Oprah Show.$ Apparently, hundreds of people, the leaders
of Jewish organisations and civil liberties groups all protested
against the airing of the young woman’s allegations.
The pseudonymous “Rachel” had claimed that she had witnessed the
ritual sacrifice of Jewish children and that she had been the
victim of long term abuse. She claimed also that other Jewish
families across the country engaged in such practices, and linked
them to the recent mass murder of 13 people at Matamoros, Mexico.
Oprah Winfrey said this was the first time she had heard of Jews
sacrificing children, and the woman told her, “When I was very
young, I was forced to participate in that, and which I had [sic]
to sacrifice an infant.”
At one point, says the article, the woman asserted that ritual
sacrifices occurred in other Jewish families, and that they were
known to the police.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Our pal Al
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[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Calling those who believed in the Protocols antisemites is fairly accurate
> as the Protocols were antisemitic in nature. What else would you call
> someone who holds antisemitic beliefs except an antisemite?
How about misinformed? Gullible? Unable to assess evidence?
> So? Are you suggesting that ignorance and believing in “rubbish” is an
> excuse to be antisemitic?
You’re begging the question: why shouldn’t people believe in the Protocols,
flying saucers, astrology, the Loch Ness Monster, that the Freemasons control
the world? All you are really saying is that anyone who rejects consensus or
believes in conspiracies is a bigot.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Don’t E-mail me
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If people are going to post questions in the group, please don’t E-mail
me as well. Thanks.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Mr Baron once again makes a statement and does not back it up with
> evidence. Does he deny that he sued the editors of Spectator
Harry, I don’t know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
wreckless. I don’t even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
Spectator.
Before you make a complete fool of yourself I should point out that the
Police Commissioner is the symbolic head of the police; anyone who sues
the police sues the Commissioner – or in the Provinces, the relevant Chief
Constable. Did your grubby little, lying mole tell you that I was granted
legal aid for counsel’s opinion to sue the Metropolitan Police for false
arrest? Did he tell you that these proceedings are still pending?
Shut your mouth until you get proper information, which will come from me.
You’re an old fool Harry, but do yourself a favour and be an old fool in
private.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Does Baron believe Kitty Hart had a sex change?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> So Hart may well have padded out her book with things she did not
> experience herself _or_ hear while actually at Auschwitz, but rather read
> elsewhere after the fact.
The point is Mike, if she’d written only about what happened to her it would
have been a very boring book. I don’t dispute that she had a hard time, that
she suffered, and she was only a young girl, but at the end of the day this is
only mitigation for bare-faced lies. No amount of sophistry will change that.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:54 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Further to NIGGER walks!
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>The Baaka people (known to us ignorant folk as “pygmies”)
> do not have kids on drugs, people in power (thus, no political corruption),
> taxes to pay, mortgages, bills, etc.. They live in thatched huts, share
> their resources and food, have extremely close familial and neighbourly
> relations, don’t war with others and don’t destroy their/our
> environment. No doubt, however, we’ll get to them too and they’ll then
> be able to thank us for assigning them to the ranks of all those other
> folk who we, in our infinite wisdom and wonderful ways, have exploited
> and ruined with our marvellous technology and superior wisdom.
> If everyone lived as the Baaka do, or the traditional Inuit, or those few
> remaining others whose homes are not made of vinyl, a lot of the problems
> our world is diseased with and threatened by today would not exist. Period.
> We have a great deal to learn from those people in the mud huts. But then,
> those who think they know it all cannot be taught.
If you think their “civilisation” is so jolly splendid, fuck off to the
North Pole and live in an igloo.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:55 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron and Shots in the Neck (Re: More Exterminat
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> “The other hundred were put in rows in lines of five and one
> single SS man passed by and gave them a shot in the neck. Kramer
> was Kommandant of the camp [Birkenau] at that time and was
> present in these killings”.
> [From the testimony of Dr. Bendel]
> Bendel also noted that many other SS-men were present during
> the execution.
Read it again, Dan, that is exactly what it does say: when I get time
I’m going to read the actual transcripts of this trial, which contains
far more embarrassing trash than this; I’ve already read the full testimony
of a couple of the other witnesses. It amazes me that anyone could believe any
of this stuff.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: More Hartfelt fantasies
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A few days ago I posted a quote from Kitty Hart; I have reposted it here,
correcting a misplaced comma and a word that should have been italicised.
I’ve added some more of her fantasies too for the likes of Mr McCarthy
to explain away.
$I am alive$, by Kitty Hart, published by Abelard-Schuman, London,
(1961).
pages 85-6 “I raised my head and there not fifty yards away was a
sight that staggered me. I had seen much, but never, never any-
thing like this. I stood as if hypnotized. I could not move I was
actually witnessing with my very own eyes a murder, not of one
person, but of hundreds of people, innocent people who had been
led, mostly unsuspectingly into a large hall. This was a sight
that could $never$ be forgotten. On the outside of the low building
a ladder had been placed which reached up to a small opening. A
figure in SS uniform climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on
a gas mask and gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he
pulled a bag out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a
white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately…the most
terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of
suffocating people. I stood holding my breath, my hands pressed
against my ears, but the cries were so loud, one would have
thought the whole world must be able to hear them.” in five to
eight minutes it was all over.
page 92 “I think our main fight was for sanity…” in her case
it was obviously not successful.
page 104 “it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the
bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made
me feel sick.”
pages 105-6 “One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking
showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our
imagination?”
This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas
chambers being opened too early.
this (below) is the quote in question:
page 106: “It often happened that when doors were opened too
early, some people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the
men of the $Sonderkommando$, they found a tiny baby alive when all
the others were already dead. It lay sucking its dead mother’s
breast and probably sucked all the time and so had not inhaled
the deadly gas fumes. SS man Wagner, who was there, was furious
and, picking up the little baby, threw it into the blazing oven.”
page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she
ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
page 107 “He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside
the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents.”
All of them in your head, poor Kitty Felix
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Clinical Theories in Regards to Antisemitism
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> I hope that this _The Myth of Heterosexual Aids_ is not something like
> the stuff that J.B. Stoner puts out that it is impossible for Whites
> to get AIDS “unless they are sodomites.” and goes on to say, as does
> Stoner, that Blacks and Jews get AIDS easily and goes on to say that
> “AIDS is a gift from God.” and “Thank God for AIDS.”
No. Actually I am of the opinion that homosexuality is primarily a white man’s
perversion (I hope that isn’t considered “racist”).
> _The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS_ sorta reminds me of
Fumento is a science journalist; he’s also written an excellent book on
the misuse or misunderstanding of science – I’ve seen it but can’t recall
its title off-hand.
The queers hate the likes of Fumento because like me he shoots from the hip.
He doesn’t say he hopes they all drown in their poison like the lowlife and
slime they are, he says simply that that is the most likely scenario.
The claim that AIDS can infect anyone is a myth perpetrated by faggots. It’s
also these lowlife rather than the J.B. Stoners of this world who started the
AIDS is caused by blacks rumour.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> When is the last time you called a right-winger a “stupid conservative”? Or
> a “stupid Nazi”?
I have been known to call people f*****g fascists here and there.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:45:59 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> The consenting adult aspect of prostitution is not the point. The
> exploitation of youth by pimps and others is the point.
No one was talking about the exploitation of youth, which, like child molesting,
is illegal, we were talking about prostitution, a contract between two consenting
adults, one who is paying for a service and another who is selling it. Whatever
you may think of them.
> The evidence against Capone, although entirely irrelevant to this newsgroup,
> is indeed documented, in FBI files amongst other places.
So why wasn’t it documented at the time? Because the dead can’t answer back,
that’s why.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Thank you, Al, for pointing out the flaw in the Jewish character — a flaw
> comparable to, say serial killing or rape. Perhaps you should remember this
> post when you try to claim that you are not racist or antisemetic!
As you obviously believe that serial murder and rape are far more serious than
inveterate lying, you should commend me for my philo-Semitism, in
accusing Jews of having less serious character defects than white Gentiles.
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Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Well, you better watch out then. You take a pretty combative stance
> towards “Organized Jewry” yourself, and, if this powerful menace
> decides to knock you off, it will be your own damned fault, won’t it?
> I mean, if the Holocaust was a result of a call for an anti-German
> boycott, it stands to reason that your death will have been caused by
> your vexatious and frivolous lawsuits.
A number of Zionists have attempted – one of them successfully – to incite
violence against me. Re lawsuits, until you get accurate information, I would
suggest you refrain from commenting on them. I have not commented on them,
regardless of Harry frightened old man Mazal’s claim in this thread.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> > Oh, you’re accepting press clippings from court proceedings as evidence
> > now, Al, and not insisting on autopsy reports? That being the case, if
> > I can provide you with a press clipping on the conviction of, say,
> > Adolf Eichmann, would you accept the reality of the Holocaust?
I would accept that as proof that Adolf Eichmann claimed that it happened.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Kerwin L. Gray” writes:
> So did the tape you watch show Rodney King crashing his car, exiting his car
> and attacking the first officer on the scene?
With his head?
> American Lawyer (a traditionally liberal publication) has a detailed
> account, written by a liberal lawyer who attended every day of the trial, of
> all of the facts involved in the arrest of Rodney King. I don’t read any
> right wing propaganda
Liberals can be arseholes too; we saw the film here. As someone who has been
arrested more than once, the last time by an officer who was clearly working to
another agenda, I can state conscientiously that these four thugs went
way beyond “reasonable force”.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> But the virus is in at least two forms. The form most prevalent in
> Africa is different from the form most prevelant in America.
> There could be something to the arguement that it is more difficult
> to get AIDS (the form in America) through vaginal intercourse, but it
> is still not impossible.
AIDS isn’t a virus, it’s a series of diseases, a “syndrome”, surely everybody
knows that. It is spread primarily by filth, queer filth.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> When it was pointed out to you that your statement was incorrect, you
> fled the thread with your tail between your legs.
The main point of this thread is that I had claimed that “the Jews” control
the Fed; I have never done that, and if you had read my 1993 pamphlet on
Eustace Mullins you would know that I said exactly the opposite.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> > In this vein, I once read in the _IHR Newsletter_: “There’s no business
> > like shoah business.”
I believe it was a Jew, Jacobo Timerman who coined this phrase.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Now post your proof that it was impossible for Wagner to have thrown a
> baby into a crematory furnace. Forget the pathetic embellishments like
> “still sucking its dead mother’s breast” (which Hart, as is now
> obvious, could not have seen anyway). Read like a policeman if you
> think that’s how you should read. Does the policeman in you not want
> to investigate further to see if this Wagner chap is not in fact a
> murderer?
Again, Hart’s book is an “autobiography”. The particulars of the libel on
this German officer are that he was present at or after the “gassing” of a group
of Jews, that he went into the “gas chamber” immediately after, and that he found
a baby there. He picked it up, and threw it alive into an oven.
At the very best, Hart was a young girl when she heard this story and repeated
it verbatim. At the worst she invented it – or her ghost writer did – for her
novel. If you excuse this sort of filth then I submit you would also have to
excuse – for example – a Palestinian who claimed that a named Israeli soldier
practiced ritual murder on an unnamed Arab boy at some unspecified time.
Notwithstanding the fact that many Palestinian children have been shot in cold
blood by Israeli soldiers, this would still be a gross libel.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> So far you have only said it’s drivel. Prove it. Come on, PC Baron,
> dozens of eyewitnesses have said that people were murdered with poison
> gas. Several of them have seen people burned alive. One reports that
> she heard that a baby was burned alive. You are duty bound, Constable,
> to make sure that this Wagner fellow doesn’t get away with murder.
> Your opinions aren’t going to count for much when your DCI asks what
> you did to find out if any of it was true. What are you going to tell
> him? “Oh well, guv, he seemed like such a nice chap when I had a pint
> with him, so I went and beat the crap out this Hart girl instead.”
John, hundreds of people have claimed to have been kidnapped by aliens,
and their stories show a remarkable similarity. That is an urban legend.
The fact that many people have made the same claim under broadly similar
circumstances proves simply that they repeated the same rumours.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Al, you’re infuriating. I’ll ask you once again–why do find it
> impossible to believe that an SS man would throw a baby in an oven?
> Please don’t just repeat the story again–tell me why its impossible.
Again, this is not “an SS man threw a baby into an oven”, this is “an SS man
threw a baby that had survived a gassing into an oven”. There seems to be
a consensus emerging here that Hart was repeating what somebody had told her.
I call that hearsay; hearsay is not evidence; if it were, OJ would have been
convicted of the two murders. Probably so would Mark Furman, the CIA, Bill
Clinton and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:46:07 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: How Gay Men Have Sex and What they do *N
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Baron, were you born a filthy swine, or did you take
> lessons at becoming one?
A filthy swine is a man who f***s another man up the a***, not the person
who condemns such poison.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: AL Baron and AL Capone. Coincidence?? I think not…
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Keith Morrison” writes:
> First, Al Capone was the undisputed head of the Chicago illegal liquor
> trade and the Mob. Second, people who were in conflict with the business
> Capone was in, whether rival distributors or people trying to control
> Capone’s group ended up dead, murdered. The Saint Valentine’s Day
> Massacre is one noted instance where a group attempting to usurp some
> of Capone’s power were killed.
> What does this suggest to the average person?
What it suggests to the average person doesn’t count; the average person
may well believe in flying saucers, but let him prove their existence in
a court of law.
> Or let us use the legal definitions. Who had the means, the motive and
> the opportunity to kill those people?
> Capone had both the means and opportunity. He was the leader of a group
> of people, some of whom were either known as or were later found guilty
> of being murderers. He was their boss.
> Capone had the motive. People who died were threats to his rise or hold
> on ultimate power in the Chicago mob.
> A *reasonable* person would clearly understand that.
For every problem there is a solution, neat, plausible and wrong. H.L. Mencken
Back then they didn’t
> have RICO so they couldn’t charge Capone with being the head of the Mob
> and probably ordering the killings because there was no *direct* proof
> he was involved. They could only charge him with something that they
> could prove he, himself, did. Thus they nailed him on tax evasion.
In other words, they couldn’t prove he committed or even ordered one murder,
and neither can you. Why not admit it?
> These days, Capone would have been facing RICO suits up to his eyeballs.
These days Capone would have been a respectable businessman, probably a
director of Seagrams.
> In any event, this whole discussion is moot. Everyone else who knows
> anything about history knows who and what Al Capone is. And the more
> you keep up these silly-assed arguments, the more people will know who
> and what Al Baron is.
Trial by media, “proof” by assertion.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 15 17:46:08 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: “The RAINBOW CONSPIRACY”, by Steiger’s
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Robert McElwaine” writes:
> The main conspiracy revealed here is that, around 1954,
> a high-level group of U.S. military officers, called
> “Majestic Twelve” (MJ-12), [members NAMED and profiled on
> pages 223-4.], made a secret deal with a race of REPTILIAN
> SPACE ALIENS known as the “GRAYS”, whereby the Grays would
> give MJ-12 flying saucer technology, in exchange for
> permission to take certain minerals from the Earth, MUTILATE
> CATTLE, and ABDUCT a limited number of HUMANS for medical
> examinations.
You people are so gullible you keep repeating the same dross over and over
again. The MJ-12 documents are proven forgeries. Read Philip Klass before
you peddle this fantasy, or is he a CIA disinformation specialist?
> Robert E. McElwaine
> B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
What does B.S. stand for, Bloody Simpleton?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: AIDS
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> I didn’t say that J.B. Stoner is saying that the Blacks cause AIDS. I
> said that he says that Blacks are a lot less resistant to AIDS than
> Whites. He also believes that Jews have low resistance. On the other
> hand, he believes that Whites (Aryans) are so highly resistant that
> the only way a White person can get AIDS is if they are “sodomites.”
J.B. Stoner and company are anti-black bigots, but it was faggots who gave them
another weapon to batter the black man with.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Mr. Baron, please send me courtesy email
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> Much to my surprise, in this article, Mr. Baron _again_ mentions me,
> again with an insulting tone, again regarding something which we have
> discussed at length in email. And again, Mr. Baron did not do me the
> courtesy of sending me courtesy email to let me know that he was
> insulting me here on Usenet.
Only because you have told me you regard all E-mail with “Deniers” as public
domain.
> Please do this in future, Mr. Baron. I’ve just stumbled across these
> two emails today. Have you been making insinuations about me publicly
> in the past, insinuations which I have not answered because I was busy
> with other things?
I don’t make insinuations Jamie, I state point blank that you are wilfully
blind. See my latest posting re Jewish ritual murder which will, hopefully,
show you the error of your double standards.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> :>On the contrary, it means that Mr. Baron hates women, children, the
> :>elderly, the obese, the Germans, and everyone else in the world that he
> :>has ever had to deal with, in addition to hating the Jews.
In other words you have just claimed that I hold the Jewish people in no
greater contempt than I hold the rest of mankind, which makes me the
most unbigoted person in this newsgroup.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I love the way you abhor all anti-Semitic sentiments and then post one in the
> same breath.
The ADL has a budget of $31 million a year. Are you so stupid, or venal, that
you would have the readers of this newsgroup believe that all that money buys
them not one cent of influence?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I’ll hold you to that Al. From now on, I expect every quote of yours from
> Mein Kampf to be taken from the 1925 Eher Verlag version and be posted in the
> original German. The same with your dippy Napoleon tagline. Deal?
I can’t read German; I use the authorised translation of Mein Kampf (James
Murphy).
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: The politically incorrect Revisionist History Of AIDS
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This is from one of our pamphlets called THE ORGANISED HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT
AND THE WAR AGAINST THE BLACK FAMILY. E-mail me for ordering details.
Finally there was the tragic case of the haemophiliacs. (78)
The infection of apparently heterosexual males was soon solved.
Not all homosexuals are proud of their perversion, many married
men and otherwise normal men – bi-sexuals to be strictly accurate
– lead double lives, otherwise happily married, family men, who
engage in depraved sex in public toilets with other men either
spasmodically or regularly.
Fumento (already cited), offers some interesting comments on
this. For 1987, he reports 18 heterosexual transmissions in San
Francisco out of 3,661. For the same years he gives 30 out of
3,459 in Los Angeles and 12 out of 1,344 in Houston. (79) An
interview with an Hispanic male reveals the frailty of human
testimony. (80) For Hispanics in particular the stigma and shame
of homosexuality leads most if not all to deny any sexual con-
tacts with other men. Prostitutes are often blamed as vectors of
AIDS, but an investigation by officials in New York City found
that: “Of 63 men with AIDS who reported prostitute contact but
denied other exposure, 42 were later found to have a history of
contact with homosexual men or had engaged in intravenous drug
abuse.” (81) One correspondent said: “In my experience, many men
will have say they’ve had sex with a dog before they’ll admit to
sex with another man.” (82)
Fumento adds the further enlightening comments on prostitutes:
“…prostitutes make handy scapegoats for men wishing to deny
either homosexuality or drug abuse”, (page 100). According to
Fumento, many men who claim prostitutes gave them AIDS admit to
homosexuality under repeated questioning. While on page 101 he
concludes that while some prostitutes contracted AIDS from
clients, most caught it from their pimps and boyfriends, who were
drug abusers.
If the closet homosexual blames his contraction of the disease on
prostitutes out of shame, the organised homosexual movement has
orchestrated a campaign of disinformation against black people,
specifically Africans, in order to direct the wrath of decent
people away from their own vile practices.
In October 1986, Peter Tatchell wrote the following in the left
wing journal $7 Days$:
“Contrary to the mythology that Aids is a gay plague, the over-
whelming majority of people with Aids are heterosexual, including
as many women as men…Most of these Aids cases are in central
Africa…In Africa it is estimated that 6% of the total popula-
tion is now infected but in some countries it is much higher –
25% of the Malawi population, 23% of the Uganda population…”
(83)
This was the same Peter Tatchell who believes one in ten of us is
queer and who heads OutRage, the sickos who attacked the Chief
Rabbi Emeritus for his principled stand against this poison.
African scholars Richard and Rosalind Chirimuuta comment that
“This attempt to deflect anti-homosexual fire onto central Afri-
cans shows little respect for either truth or logic.” (84)
The authors are far too reserved, when such lying propaganda
emanates from the likes of the British National Party the reac-
tion is one of hysteria and demands for race act prosecutions.
Fumento too warns that the homosexual lobby has been responsible
for a massive disinformation campaign, in particular he alleges
that African (heterosexuals) have been blamed for the spread of
AIDS. (85) On page 130 he gives the following figures for hetero-
sexual transmission in the United States:
1% among whites
4% among Hispanics
5% among blacks
One suspects that the relatively high rates of heterosexual
transmission among Hispanics and blacks are due to intravenous
drug abuse. This problem is well recognised in the inner cities.
This is not to say that Africans and other blacks are totally
blameless for the spread of AIDS; there are homosexuals among all
races, but far fewer among blacks where the traditional extended
family has not broken down, and where social mores make these
obscene practices taboo. As far as there is an AIDS problem in
Africa, this is due more to the primitive state of health care.
The solution here is clearly investment in public hygiene pro-
jects, and decent standards of medical and hospital care. (86)
Recently, the sick, sordid attempts of homosexuals to foist the
blame for their disease (AIDS) on Africans has met with violent
disapproval from at least one African government. Black Marxist
Robert Mugabe is probably no more committed to democracy than was
Joe Stalin, but in January 1994 his government launched a crack-
down on organised homosexuals in liberated $Zimbabwe$. (87) Mugabe
declared shit-stabbing to be “for whites only” while his Home
Affairs Minister said the government was anxious to arrest homo-
sexuals because “[homosexuality] is illegal in this country”.
(88) Ironically, a group of faggots in South Africa called for a
worldwide boycott of the country as a tourist destination. (89)
Yes, South Africa, the world’s pariah! To what depths will these
people sink?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: This is why your friend died, John
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I didn’t mean to spit in your face, John. It wasn’t me who killed your friend.
Perhaps you should apportion the blame where it belongs. Like Zionists,
homosexuals don’t give a fuck about anyone else, in fact they’re far worse than
Zionists, and that’s saying something.
In the final analysis, like all other noisy, vociferous, left
wing pressure groups and lobbies, the organised homosexual move-
ment doesn’t give a damn about anyone or anything other than its
own agenda. Homosexuals might be damned in the next world, but
they have damned many innocent people in this one, especially
haemophiliacs. Reisman and Eichel (already cited) claim that
homosexual activists attempted to interfere with the introduction
of blood-donor screening as long ago as 1983. (93) This was long
after the connection was made between hepatitis B and homosexual
practices. Sodomites are notoriously infested with this blood-
borne disease.
In his book, Shilts – who can hardly be called a homophobe –
claims, or rather boasts, that homosexuals screamed that screen-
ing of blood supplies was the equivalent of “scapegoating” them.
“Representatives from gay organizations…firmly opposed taking
any action to screen blood donors, saying the screening would
pose serious civil rights questions.” he said. Understandably,
haemophiliacs’ representatives were stunned: “what about a hemo-
philiac’s right to life?” they asked. (94)
While in Washington, fag leaders intimidated Red Cross officials
into excluding sexual orientation from a questionnaire for do-
nors. And in New York, the National Gay Task Force rounded up
virtually every homosexual leader in Manhattan to stand on the
steps of the New York Blood Center where they denounced efforts
to screen donors. (95) The result of course was that haemophi-
liacs, totally innocent people, were infected with this terrible
disease en masse, and for what purpose? To spare the hurt feel-
ings of the spiritual heirs of Sodom and Gomorrah. People who
will stoop to such depths, and in this case, to actually cause
the deaths of hundreds, or even thousands, of innocent people, in
order to protect a good name none of them deserves to possess,
such people are beneath contempt and deserve everything God and
Nature bestows on them.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> when one has been proved right and useful as
> often as the ADL has
> Or are you so blinded by your bigotry that you can’t see that?
What I did see was a report that the ADL spied on 12,000 citizens and 800
organisations – including Greenpeace! – and had corrupted at least one police
officer in California, and God knows how many else elsewhere.
Is that you’re idea of educating the public about the evils of anti-Semitism?
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Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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[email protected] “Alexander Baron” writes:
> Harry, I don’t know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
> wreckless. I don’t even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
> To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
> Spectator.
Minor correction: the Spectator is edited by Dominic Lawson, who is Jewish.
Last year it was slagged off for publishing a supposedly anti-Semitic but
really simply asinine article about Hollywood by one William Cash.
The Spectator is written by and for upper class twits and chinless wonders
and is not something I would read if it were free.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Symbolic or not, the suit is (was) against the Commissioner of Police.
> The police in Great Britain are decent and honorable. The ill-bred
> characterization of my source of information does not speak well
> about Mr. Baron’s upbringing.
Just like the police in LA. Ask Rodney King.
> Can Mr. Baron prove that:
> a) He does not know the Editor of _Spectator?_
I have told you once Harry, don’t persist with this nonsense or I’ll make you
look foolish like I did over the Suzman and Diamond book. You are being informed
by liars.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
Dan, I am amazed, simply amazed that you would attempt to defend the dross
of Kitty Hart. I am becoming more and more convinced that, like Pressac, you
are a Revisionist mole.
> # “On the outside of the low building a ladder had been placed
> # which reached up to a small opening. A figure in SS uniform
> # climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on a gas mask and
> # gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he pulled a bag
> # out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a
> # white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately…the most
> # terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of
> # suffocating people”.
One bag of white powder which she saw from fifty yards away, and it killed
hundreds of people. And of course she heard the screams too.
> # page 104 “it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the
> # bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made
> # me feel sick.”
She saw this for real, did she Dan?
> The “bonfires” obviously mean the burning ditches. Many testified
> about this. We also know (and Baron doesn’t deny this) that the
> Nazis burned people alive elsewhere.
Naughty, naughty, trying it on again. Once again you are referring to an
SS atrocity at the end of the war, the sort of thing that happened at
Lidice, only this time it was a camp. Kitty Hart is talking about alleged
systematic mass murder.
> # pages 105-6 “One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking
> # showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our
> # imagination?”
> # This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas
> # chambers being opened too early.
> Definitely possible. What doesn’t Baron accept here? The gas chambers
> of Kremas IV and V did have ventilation problems (see Pressac’s book).
Dan, how far was she from the “gas chamber”? Considering how deadly cyanide
is meant to be, would it really have been drifting all over the camp?
> # page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she
> # ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
> # page 107 “He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside
> # the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents.”
> The “thousand such incidents” may be inaccurate; but it’s a typical
> way in which people talk, like in “I told you a thousand times…”.
Stop it Dan, please, stop it. Did she see this “incident”? Please, don’t
humiliate yourself.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> A rather accurate description of the gassings in Krema IV and
> V, where the gas was indeed thrown inside through small openings
> in the side walls (see “Nazi Mass Murder” and Pressac’s book). Hart’s
> description may be inaccurate on the color of the Zyklon-B, though.
Kremas I & II through the roof, III & IV through the side, according to
Mueller at the Auschwitz trial.
Don’t forget either that the bucket did the lambada.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Fake documents, Dr Bendel and the laws of physics
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Players and spectators will recall that I mentioned the case of Dr Bendel
who testified at the Belsen trial that people were dispatched five at a time.
It was subsequently claimed by the “Jews can never lie brigade” that what he
meant was that they were placed in rows of five and shot one at a time. I’ve
just found where I saw this first.
Staeglich – pages 98-9 mentions the case of a “buried manuscript” in which
it is alleged that Moll lined people up 4 at a time and dispatched them with
a single bullet.
Unfortunately, the source he gives is Adler, Langbein and Lingens-Reiner,
whose book was published only in German. This manuscript was said to have
been “found” in 1953, it was a notebook in Yiddish.
Staeglich documents this nonsense and stresses that it is clearly of communist
origin.
Please comment as follows:
Jamie McCarthy: More rhetoric Baron. What evidence is there that this is
a forgery or that this magic bullet trick couldn’t have happened?
Mike Stein/John Morris: This is obviously a case of the truth being embroidered.
David Cole: Change the subject and accuse Baron of lying about something else.
Harry Mazal: Wait for October 22 then accuse Baron of lying about something
else.
Chorus: Baron is a Nazi.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
>The only reasons
> why Holocaust revisionism in its present form deserves to be “banned” are
> because of its thinly veiled racist and anti-Semitic underpinnings on the one
> hand, and its deliberately misleading “research” on the other.
According to the likes of Deborah Lipstadt, Holocaust Revisionism is
anti-Semitic per se. In other words, by her criteria it all deserves to
be banned.
>I do not
> advocate forceful banning of this inanity, unless it spills over into
> violence
Ask Ernst – where’s my house gone? – Zundel; David – bloody nose – Cole,
Greg – arson victim – Raven; Robert – acid in face – Faurisson, and plenty
of others, who initiates such violence.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Does the fact that two newspapers might have been owned by Jews during WWII
> imply something to you, Al? Do you mean to say that they controlled the
> editorial and news policies in some nefarious way? Does this have anything
> to do with the historical reality of the Holocaust?
You, or someone, made a snide remark about Al believing that the media was
controlled by Jews. I provided evidence from a Jewish author that most
of Hollywood was owned by Jews and the two most influential newspapers in
the States at the time. That is all.
While I do not subscribe to the belief that Jews – or a substantial number of
them – are involved in a conscious plot to subvert Western civilisation –
I think it equally absurd to postulate the belief that because so many
Jews work in or control the media that this in no way reflects Jewish
aspirations. Certainly the mass media is more susceptible to lobbying
by Zionist “aspirations”, although after Sabra and Shatila even the most
gullible and compliant of media Jews have woken up to the true nature of
Zionism, as I know from private conversations with Jewish journalists. Like
goyim, most of these people are too intimidated to go on the record.
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Pimply-faced creeps are welcome to try!
That is not my quote! I don’t advocate violence against anyone; I leave that
for those poor, persecuted POWERLESS people who shoot Palestinian schoolchildren
on their way to buy milk.
> I don’t sue respectable people for libel (including the Commissioner
> of Police) and I certainly don’t fear Mr. Baron’s colossal lies.
You should really get your facts straight; don’t forget that the people
who have been feeding you this have also been feeding you stories about
gas chambers, you silly little man.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Since you haven’t offered the tiniest nubbin of evidence that Kitty
> Hart is a “shameless liar”, why shouldn’t Mr. McCarthy continue to
> call you on it. Apparently, we’re all supposed to reject Ms. Hart’s
> story merely because you find it unbelievable. Don’t you find this
> a bit odd, Al?
Read my further posting. Hart’s story is an outright lie.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Once again, Baron dismisses a testimony not because of any
> rational argument, but because he doesn’t want it to be true.
Mr Baron dismisses this testimony for the same reason a policeman would.
Or anyone with half a brain. We are being asked to believe that a woman was
led into the gas chamber – don’t forget how crowded they were – with a baby
sucking at her breast. They were gassed, and the baby alone survived. Leaving
aside the fact that the babies were supposed to have been thrown into the fire
alive (remember Wiesel?) the door was opened and voila! all the Jews piled up
in the centre, SS man Wagner walks in (with his gas mask on?) finds the bab
lying there, and runs out and throws it into the oven. But weren’t the gas
chambers in the basement, Dan?
Let me ask you a question Dan, straight. Are you taking the piss? Are you
really a secret Revisionist who is doing everything in his power to make
this already implausible story totally unbelievable? Are you sure you aren’t
really an agent of Willis Carto?
Grow up, Dan. Hart was told a lie and repeated it gratuitously. But that is
nothing new for survivors, Jew and Gentile.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
Oh yeah, the AIDS Cover-Up is good too. The author – Gene Antonio – got
his mathematics wrong, but he covers in depth the sort of filth homos
practice. Again, only for those with a strong stomach. You might also try
reading the personal ads in any faggots’ newspaper. Stoner was right: Thank
God for AIDS.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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> >Try studying the literature; part of the “gay” myth is that these human dung
> >beetles don’t eat shit and that being queer is a positive alternative to
> >being normal.
> What literature are you studying, Al? Please cite it so I can check it
> out.
> I have never heard of any specifically gay sex practices that involved
> the direct eating of feces. But I’ll ask some gay people about this
> just to be sure.
Again, try Fumento’s book to start with, it’s crammed with references. If you’ve
got a strong stomach you can read The Orton Diaries. Nothing in that about
eating crap but he boasts of doing everything else, including abusing young
boys in Tangier.
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Alexander Baron
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Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Could it be that Mr. Baron, who is unable to eke out a
> living by selling his odious pamphlets, is attempting
> to make his living by harassing honest and decent people
> into a settlement?
You haven’t answered MY question. Which honest and decent person, you odious
little creep?
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
>I guess such an explanation would be
> along the same lines that you explained how the US Federal Reserve is
> controlled by Jews, that is, no explanation at all but another
> assertion of your rather distorted view of how the world works.
Still repeating that lie, John? Please reprint the quote where I said that
the Jews control the Federal Reserve. It doesn’t exist.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:10 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Al, please–I don’t know how many times you’ve been asked this. What,
> exactly, do you find unbelievable about Kitty Hart’s story? Do you
> just refuse to answer this question? Is there something in the story
> that strikes you as physically impossible, or what?
Read the passage: she says that a baby was gassed, sucking at its mother’s
breast, then the SS man found it and threw it into the oven. Do you really
believe that? Do you believe in the tooth fairy?
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> It is a small wonder why you have been so reticent about posting any
> information that would make it easy for your readers to verify your
> claims. You have an uncanny ability to utterly misrepresent what you
> have read.
> It is as plain as can be the Kitty Hart did *not* see the baby thrown
> into the “blazing oven,” nor does she claim to have seen such a thing.
> It is as plain as can be that Kitty Hart is reporting what was told to
> her by a member of the Sonderkommando. Hart could only be deemed to be
> lying if someone could show that she misreported what she was told.
I’m clutching at straws? You defend this drivel and you accuse ME of clutching
at straws?
> That being said, I still do not see what is impossible in the account.
> Hart may have got the detail wrong that the baby didn;t die because it
> was sucking when in reality the baby did not die for the same reason
> that others did not die: the door was opened too soon. Though I would
> like to believe that my fellow human beings are capable of such
> cruelty, they nevertheless are.
On a scale of one to a million, how much credibility do you give this nonsense?
Hart’s book is an autobiography, I repeat.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:12 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Nizkor: lap-dog of untruth
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The article below was given to me sometime ago by Lady Birdwood. It is taken
>from an American anti-Semitic newspaper, probably $Christian Vanguard$.
Lady Birdwood is as gullible as she is sincere, and believes every word
of this nonsense. I think it requires little comment; the woman in question
was obviously so mentally disturbed that she confused the ancient folklore
of Jews ritually killing Christian boys with the modern folklore of Satanists
snatching people off the streets and breeding babies to sacrifice to the
Devil.
Implausible as this woman’s story is, it is a great deal more credible
than the dross spewed out by Kitty Hart of SS man Wagner and the baby,
and of Dr Bendel’s “eyewitness account” of the wicked Nazis despatching
5 people with one bullet. Indeed, if you have been following the trial of
Rosemary West, you will find the story below not simply plausible but rather
tame.
All the same, this story provoked howls of outrage from Jewish groups. One
would have expected someone as highly paid as Oprah Winfrey to exert a
little more critical faculty. By the same token, one would expect academics
like Dan Keren, John Morris et al to exert more than a little.
If you accept the lies and nonsense of Kitty Hart and Dr Bendel at face
value, you should not find fault with Oprah Winfrey’s guest either.
“On May 1, 1989, the Oprah Winfrey show had as its guest a person
who, as a young girl, was forced to participate in a ritual in
which an infant was sacrificed. The amazing thing about the guest
is that she was not affiliated with some unknown radical blood
letting cult, but that she was a JEW.
“According to an article on the show in the $Chicago Tribune$,
the woman was “undergoing long-term psychiatric treatment,”
apparently because of her horrible experience. The newspaper
article is quoted below in its entirety.”
The article is from the 7th May issue, is credited to the $New
York Times News Service,$ and is entitled $Jews Protest Sacrifice
Tale on Oprah Show.$ Apparently, hundreds of people, the leaders
of Jewish organisations and civil liberties groups all protested
against the airing of the young woman’s allegations.
The pseudonymous “Rachel” had claimed that she had witnessed the
ritual sacrifice of Jewish children and that she had been the
victim of long term abuse. She claimed also that other Jewish
families across the country engaged in such practices, and linked
them to the recent mass murder of 13 people at Matamoros, Mexico.
Oprah Winfrey said this was the first time she had heard of Jews
sacrificing children, and the woman told her, “When I was very
young, I was forced to participate in that, and which I had [sic]
to sacrifice an infant.”
At one point, says the article, the woman asserted that ritual
sacrifices occurred in other Jewish families, and that they were
known to the police.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:13 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Calling those who believed in the Protocols antisemites is fairly accurate
> as the Protocols were antisemitic in nature. What else would you call
> someone who holds antisemitic beliefs except an antisemite?
How about misinformed? Gullible? Unable to assess evidence?
> So? Are you suggesting that ignorance and believing in “rubbish” is an
> excuse to be antisemitic?
You’re begging the question: why shouldn’t people believe in the Protocols,
flying saucers, astrology, the Loch Ness Monster, that the Freemasons control
the world? All you are really saying is that anyone who rejects consensus or
believes in conspiracies is a bigot.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:13 PDT 1995
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If people are going to post questions in the group, please don’t E-mail
me as well. Thanks.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:14 PDT 1995
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Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Mr Baron once again makes a statement and does not back it up with
> evidence. Does he deny that he sued the editors of Spectator
Harry, I don’t know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
wreckless. I don’t even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
Spectator.
Before you make a complete fool of yourself I should point out that the
Police Commissioner is the symbolic head of the police; anyone who sues
the police sues the Commissioner – or in the Provinces, the relevant Chief
Constable. Did your grubby little, lying mole tell you that I was granted
legal aid for counsel’s opinion to sue the Metropolitan Police for false
arrest? Did he tell you that these proceedings are still pending?
Shut your mouth until you get proper information, which will come from me.
You’re an old fool Harry, but do yourself a favour and be an old fool in
private.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:15 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> So Hart may well have padded out her book with things she did not
> experience herself _or_ hear while actually at Auschwitz, but rather read
> elsewhere after the fact.
The point is Mike, if she’d written only about what happened to her it would
have been a very boring book. I don’t dispute that she had a hard time, that
she suffered, and she was only a young girl, but at the end of the day this is
only mitigation for bare-faced lies. No amount of sophistry will change that.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:16 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>The Baaka people (known to us ignorant folk as “pygmies”)
> do not have kids on drugs, people in power (thus, no political corruption),
> taxes to pay, mortgages, bills, etc.. They live in thatched huts, share
> their resources and food, have extremely close familial and neighbourly
> relations, don’t war with others and don’t destroy their/our
> environment. No doubt, however, we’ll get to them too and they’ll then
> be able to thank us for assigning them to the ranks of all those other
> folk who we, in our infinite wisdom and wonderful ways, have exploited
> and ruined with our marvellous technology and superior wisdom.
> If everyone lived as the Baaka do, or the traditional Inuit, or those few
> remaining others whose homes are not made of vinyl, a lot of the problems
> our world is diseased with and threatened by today would not exist. Period.
> We have a great deal to learn from those people in the mud huts. But then,
> those who think they know it all cannot be taught.
If you think their “civilisation” is so jolly splendid, fuck off to the
North Pole and live in an igloo.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:17 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> “The other hundred were put in rows in lines of five and one
> single SS man passed by and gave them a shot in the neck. Kramer
> was Kommandant of the camp [Birkenau] at that time and was
> present in these killings”.
> [From the testimony of Dr. Bendel]
> Bendel also noted that many other SS-men were present during
> the execution.
Read it again, Dan, that is exactly what it does say: when I get time
I’m going to read the actual transcripts of this trial, which contains
far more embarrassing trash than this; I’ve already read the full testimony
of a couple of the other witnesses. It amazes me that anyone could believe any
of this stuff.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:18 PDT 1995
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Subject: More Hartfelt fantasies
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A few days ago I posted a quote from Kitty Hart; I have reposted it here,
correcting a misplaced comma and a word that should have been italicised.
I’ve added some more of her fantasies too for the likes of Mr McCarthy
to explain away.
$I am alive$, by Kitty Hart, published by Abelard-Schuman, London,
(1961).
pages 85-6 “I raised my head and there not fifty yards away was a
sight that staggered me. I had seen much, but never, never any-
thing like this. I stood as if hypnotized. I could not move I was
actually witnessing with my very own eyes a murder, not of one
person, but of hundreds of people, innocent people who had been
led, mostly unsuspectingly into a large hall. This was a sight
that could $never$ be forgotten. On the outside of the low building
a ladder had been placed which reached up to a small opening. A
figure in SS uniform climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on
a gas mask and gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he
pulled a bag out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a
white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately…the most
terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of
suffocating people. I stood holding my breath, my hands pressed
against my ears, but the cries were so loud, one would have
thought the whole world must be able to hear them.” in five to
eight minutes it was all over.
page 92 “I think our main fight was for sanity…” in her case
it was obviously not successful.
page 104 “it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the
bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made
me feel sick.”
pages 105-6 “One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking
showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our
imagination?”
This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas
chambers being opened too early.
this (below) is the quote in question:
page 106: “It often happened that when doors were opened too
early, some people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the
men of the $Sonderkommando$, they found a tiny baby alive when all
the others were already dead. It lay sucking its dead mother’s
breast and probably sucked all the time and so had not inhaled
the deadly gas fumes. SS man Wagner, who was there, was furious
and, picking up the little baby, threw it into the blazing oven.”
page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she
ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
page 107 “He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside
the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents.”
All of them in your head, poor Kitty Felix.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:19 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> I hope that this _The Myth of Heterosexual Aids_ is not something like
> the stuff that J.B. Stoner puts out that it is impossible for Whites
> to get AIDS “unless they are sodomites.” and goes on to say, as does
> Stoner, that Blacks and Jews get AIDS easily and goes on to say that
> “AIDS is a gift from God.” and “Thank God for AIDS.”
No. Actually I am of the opinion that homosexuality is primarily a white man’s
perversion (I hope that isn’t considered “racist”).
> _The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS_ sorta reminds me of
Fumento is a science journalist; he’s also written an excellent book on
the misuse or misunderstanding of science – I’ve seen it but can’t recall
its title off-hand.
The queers hate the likes of Fumento because like me he shoots from the hip.
He doesn’t say he hopes they all drown in their poison like the lowlife and
slime they are, he says simply that that is the most likely scenario.
The claim that AIDS can infect anyone is a myth perpetrated by faggots. It’s
also these lowlife rather than the J.B. Stoners of this world who started the
AIDS is caused by blacks rumour.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:19 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> When is the last time you called a right-winger a “stupid conservative”? Or
> a “stupid Nazi”?
I have been known to call people f*****g fascists here and there.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:20 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> The consenting adult aspect of prostitution is not the point. The
> exploitation of youth by pimps and others is the point.
No one was talking about the exploitation of youth, which, like child molesting,
is illegal, we were talking about prostitution, a contract between two consenting
adults, one who is paying for a service and another who is selling it. Whatever
you may think of them.
> The evidence against Capone, although entirely irrelevant to this newsgroup,
> is indeed documented, in FBI files amongst other places.
So why wasn’t it documented at the time? Because the dead can’t answer back,
that’s why.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Thank you, Al, for pointing out the flaw in the Jewish character — a flaw
> comparable to, say serial killing or rape. Perhaps you should remember this
> post when you try to claim that you are not racist or antisemetic!
As you obviously believe that serial murder and rape are far more serious than
inveterate lying, you should commend me for my philo-Semitism, in
accusing Jews of having less serious character defects than white Gentiles.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Well, you better watch out then. You take a pretty combative stance
> towards “Organized Jewry” yourself, and, if this powerful menace
> decides to knock you off, it will be your own damned fault, won’t it?
> I mean, if the Holocaust was a result of a call for an anti-German
> boycott, it stands to reason that your death will have been caused by
> your vexatious and frivolous lawsuits.
A number of Zionists have attempted – one of them successfully – to incite
violence against me. Re lawsuits, until you get accurate information, I would
suggest you refrain from commenting on them. I have not commented on them,
regardless of Harry frightened old man Mazal’s claim in this thread.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> > Oh, you’re accepting press clippings from court proceedings as evidence
> > now, Al, and not insisting on autopsy reports? That being the case, if
> > I can provide you with a press clipping on the conviction of, say,
> > Adolf Eichmann, would you accept the reality of the Holocaust?
I would accept that as proof that Adolf Eichmann claimed that it happened.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:24 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Kerwin L. Gray” writes:
> So did the tape you watch show Rodney King crashing his car, exiting his car
> and attacking the first officer on the scene?
With his head?
> American Lawyer (a traditionally liberal publication) has a detailed
> account, written by a liberal lawyer who attended every day of the trial, of
> all of the facts involved in the arrest of Rodney King. I don’t read any
> right wing propaganda
Liberals can be arseholes too; we saw the film here. As someone who has been
arrested more than once, the last time by an officer who was clearly working to
another agenda, I can state conscientiously that these four thugs went
way beyond “reasonable force”.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Clinical Theories in Regards to Antisemitism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> But the virus is in at least two forms. The form most prevalent in
> Africa is different from the form most prevelant in America.
> There could be something to the arguement that it is more difficult
> to get AIDS (the form in America) through vaginal intercourse, but it
> is still not impossible.
AIDS isn’t a virus, it’s a series of diseases, a “syndrome”, surely everybody
knows that. It is spread primarily by filth, queer filth.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> When it was pointed out to you that your statement was incorrect, you
> fled the thread with your tail between your legs.
The main point of this thread is that I had claimed that “the Jews” control
the Fed; I have never done that, and if you had read my 1993 pamphlet on
Eustace Mullins you would know that I said exactly the opposite.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: The Purpose of Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> > In this vein, I once read in the _IHR Newsletter_: “There’s no business
> > like shoah business.”
I believe it was a Jew, Jacobo Timerman who coined this phrase.
—
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:27 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Now post your proof that it was impossible for Wagner to have thrown a
> baby into a crematory furnace. Forget the pathetic embellishments like
> “still sucking its dead mother’s breast” (which Hart, as is now
> obvious, could not have seen anyway). Read like a policeman if you
> think that’s how you should read. Does the policeman in you not want
> to investigate further to see if this Wagner chap is not in fact a
> murderer?
Again, Hart’s book is an “autobiography”. The particulars of the libel on
this German officer are that he was present at or after the “gassing” of a group
of Jews, that he went into the “gas chamber” immediately after, and that he found
a baby there. He picked it up, and threw it alive into an oven.
At the very best, Hart was a young girl when she heard this story and repeated
it verbatim. At the worst she invented it – or her ghost writer did – for her
novel. If you excuse this sort of filth then I submit you would also have to
excuse – for example – a Palestinian who claimed that a named Israeli soldier
practiced ritual murder on an unnamed Arab boy at some unspecified time.
Notwithstanding the fact that many Palestinian children have been shot in cold
blood by Israeli soldiers, this would still be a gross libel.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> So far you have only said it’s drivel. Prove it. Come on, PC Baron,
> dozens of eyewitnesses have said that people were murdered with poison
> gas. Several of them have seen people burned alive. One reports that
> she heard that a baby was burned alive. You are duty bound, Constable,
> to make sure that this Wagner fellow doesn’t get away with murder.
> Your opinions aren’t going to count for much when your DCI asks what
> you did to find out if any of it was true. What are you going to tell
> him? “Oh well, guv, he seemed like such a nice chap when I had a pint
> with him, so I went and beat the crap out this Hart girl instead.”
John, hundreds of people have claimed to have been kidnapped by aliens,
and their stories show a remarkable similarity. That is an urban legend.
The fact that many people have made the same claim under broadly similar
circumstances proves simply that they repeated the same rumours.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:29 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Al, you’re infuriating. I’ll ask you once again–why do find it
> impossible to believe that an SS man would throw a baby in an oven?
> Please don’t just repeat the story again–tell me why its impossible.
Again, this is not “an SS man threw a baby into an oven”, this is “an SS man
threw a baby that had survived a gassing into an oven”. There seems to be
a consensus emerging here that Hart was repeating what somebody had told her.
I call that hearsay; hearsay is not evidence; if it were, OJ would have been
convicted of the two murders. Probably so would Mark Furman, the CIA, Bill
Clinton and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:30 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Baron, were you born a filthy swine, or did you take
> lessons at becoming one?
A filthy swine is a man who f***s another man up the a***, not the person
who condemns such poison.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: AL Baron and AL Capone. Coincidence?? I think not…
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Keith Morrison” writes:
> First, Al Capone was the undisputed head of the Chicago illegal liquor
> trade and the Mob. Second, people who were in conflict with the business
> Capone was in, whether rival distributors or people trying to control
> Capone’s group ended up dead, murdered. The Saint Valentine’s Day
> Massacre is one noted instance where a group attempting to usurp some
> of Capone’s power were killed.
> What does this suggest to the average person?
What it suggests to the average person doesn’t count; the average person
may well believe in flying saucers, but let him prove their existence in
a court of law.
> Or let us use the legal definitions. Who had the means, the motive and
> the opportunity to kill those people?
> Capone had both the means and opportunity. He was the leader of a group
> of people, some of whom were either known as or were later found guilty
> of being murderers. He was their boss.
> Capone had the motive. People who died were threats to his rise or hold
> on ultimate power in the Chicago mob.
> A *reasonable* person would clearly understand that.
For every problem there is a solution, neat, plausible and wrong. H.L. Mencken
Back then they didn’t
> have RICO so they couldn’t charge Capone with being the head of the Mob
> and probably ordering the killings because there was no *direct* proof
> he was involved. They could only charge him with something that they
> could prove he, himself, did. Thus they nailed him on tax evasion.
In other words, they couldn’t prove he committed or even ordered one murder,
and neither can you. Why not admit it?
> These days, Capone would have been facing RICO suits up to his eyeballs.
These days Capone would have been a respectable businessman, probably a
director of Seagrams.
> In any event, this whole discussion is moot. Everyone else who knows
> anything about history knows who and what Al Capone is. And the more
> you keep up these silly-assed arguments, the more people will know who
> and what Al Baron is.
Trial by media, “proof” by assertion.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: “The RAINBOW CONSPIRACY”, by Steiger’s
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Robert McElwaine” writes:
> The main conspiracy revealed here is that, around 1954,
> a high-level group of U.S. military officers, called
> “Majestic Twelve” (MJ-12), [members NAMED and profiled on
> pages 223-4.], made a secret deal with a race of REPTILIAN
> SPACE ALIENS known as the “GRAYS”, whereby the Grays would
> give MJ-12 flying saucer technology, in exchange for
> permission to take certain minerals from the Earth, MUTILATE
> CATTLE, and ABDUCT a limited number of HUMANS for medical
> examinations.
You people are so gullible you keep repeating the same dross over and over
again. The MJ-12 documents are proven forgeries. Read Philip Klass before
you peddle this fantasy, or is he a CIA disinformation specialist?
> Robert E. McElwaine
> B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
What does B.S. stand for, Bloody Simpleton?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: AIDS
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> I didn’t say that J.B. Stoner is saying that the Blacks cause AIDS. I
> said that he says that Blacks are a lot less resistant to AIDS than
> Whites. He also believes that Jews have low resistance. On the other
> hand, he believes that Whites (Aryans) are so highly resistant that
> the only way a White person can get AIDS is if they are “sodomites.”
J.B. Stoner and company are anti-black bigots, but it was faggots who gave them
another weapon to batter the black man with.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:33 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Mr. Baron, please send me courtesy email
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[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> Much to my surprise, in this article, Mr. Baron _again_ mentions me,
> again with an insulting tone, again regarding something which we have
> discussed at length in email. And again, Mr. Baron did not do me the
> courtesy of sending me courtesy email to let me know that he was
> insulting me here on Usenet.
Only because you have told me you regard all E-mail with “Deniers” as public
domain.
> Please do this in future, Mr. Baron. I’ve just stumbled across these
> two emails today. Have you been making insinuations about me publicly
> in the past, insinuations which I have not answered because I was busy
> with other things?
I don’t make insinuations Jamie, I state point blank that you are wilfully
blind. See my latest posting re Jewish ritual murder which will, hopefully,
show you the error of your double standards.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:34 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> :>On the contrary, it means that Mr. Baron hates women, children, the
> :>elderly, the obese, the Germans, and everyone else in the world that he
> :>has ever had to deal with, in addition to hating the Jews.
In other words you have just claimed that I hold the Jewish people in no
greater contempt than I hold the rest of mankind, which makes me the
most unbigoted person in this newsgroup.
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I love the way you abhor all anti-Semitic sentiments and then post one in the
> same breath.
The ADL has a budget of $31 million a year. Are you so stupid, or venal, that
you would have the readers of this newsgroup believe that all that money buys
them not one cent of influence?
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I’ll hold you to that Al. From now on, I expect every quote of yours from
> Mein Kampf to be taken from the 1925 Eher Verlag version and be posted in the
> original German. The same with your dippy Napoleon tagline. Deal?
I can’t read German; I use the authorised translation of Mein Kampf (James
Murphy).
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Alexander Baron
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Subject: The politically incorrect Revisionist History Of AIDS
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This is from one of our pamphlets called THE ORGANISED HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT
AND THE WAR AGAINST THE BLACK FAMILY. E-mail me for ordering details.
Finally there was the tragic case of the haemophiliacs. (78)
The infection of apparently heterosexual males was soon solved.
Not all homosexuals are proud of their perversion, many married
men and otherwise normal men – bi-sexuals to be strictly accurate
– lead double lives, otherwise happily married, family men, who
engage in depraved sex in public toilets with other men either
spasmodically or regularly.
Fumento (already cited), offers some interesting comments on
this. For 1987, he reports 18 heterosexual transmissions in San
Francisco out of 3,661. For the same years he gives 30 out of
3,459 in Los Angeles and 12 out of 1,344 in Houston. (79) An
interview with an Hispanic male reveals the frailty of human
testimony. (80) For Hispanics in particular the stigma and shame
of homosexuality leads most if not all to deny any sexual con-
tacts with other men. Prostitutes are often blamed as vectors of
AIDS, but an investigation by officials in New York City found
that: “Of 63 men with AIDS who reported prostitute contact but
denied other exposure, 42 were later found to have a history of
contact with homosexual men or had engaged in intravenous drug
abuse.” (81) One correspondent said: “In my experience, many men
will have say they’ve had sex with a dog before they’ll admit to
sex with another man.” (82)
Fumento adds the further enlightening comments on prostitutes:
“…prostitutes make handy scapegoats for men wishing to deny
either homosexuality or drug abuse”, (page 100). According to
Fumento, many men who claim prostitutes gave them AIDS admit to
homosexuality under repeated questioning. While on page 101 he
concludes that while some prostitutes contracted AIDS from
clients, most caught it from their pimps and boyfriends, who were
drug abusers.
If the closet homosexual blames his contraction of the disease on
prostitutes out of shame, the organised homosexual movement has
orchestrated a campaign of disinformation against black people,
specifically Africans, in order to direct the wrath of decent
people away from their own vile practices.
In October 1986, Peter Tatchell wrote the following in the left
wing journal $7 Days$:
“Contrary to the mythology that Aids is a gay plague, the over-
whelming majority of people with Aids are heterosexual, including
as many women as men…Most of these Aids cases are in central
Africa…In Africa it is estimated that 6% of the total popula-
tion is now infected but in some countries it is much higher –
25% of the Malawi population, 23% of the Uganda population…”
(83)
This was the same Peter Tatchell who believes one in ten of us is
queer and who heads OutRage, the sickos who attacked the Chief
Rabbi Emeritus for his principled stand against this poison.
African scholars Richard and Rosalind Chirimuuta comment that
“This attempt to deflect anti-homosexual fire onto central Afri-
cans shows little respect for either truth or logic.” (84)
The authors are far too reserved, when such lying propaganda
emanates from the likes of the British National Party the reac-
tion is one of hysteria and demands for race act prosecutions.
Fumento too warns that the homosexual lobby has been responsible
for a massive disinformation campaign, in particular he alleges
that African (heterosexuals) have been blamed for the spread of
AIDS. (85) On page 130 he gives the following figures for hetero-
sexual transmission in the United States:
1% among whites
4% among Hispanics
5% among blacks
One suspects that the relatively high rates of heterosexual
transmission among Hispanics and blacks are due to intravenous
drug abuse. This problem is well recognised in the inner cities.
This is not to say that Africans and other blacks are totally
blameless for the spread of AIDS; there are homosexuals among all
races, but far fewer among blacks where the traditional extended
family has not broken down, and where social mores make these
obscene practices taboo. As far as there is an AIDS problem in
Africa, this is due more to the primitive state of health care.
The solution here is clearly investment in public hygiene pro-
jects, and decent standards of medical and hospital care. (86)
Recently, the sick, sordid attempts of homosexuals to foist the
blame for their disease (AIDS) on Africans has met with violent
disapproval from at least one African government. Black Marxist
Robert Mugabe is probably no more committed to democracy than was
Joe Stalin, but in January 1994 his government launched a crack-
down on organised homosexuals in liberated $Zimbabwe$. (87) Mugabe
declared shit-stabbing to be “for whites only” while his Home
Affairs Minister said the government was anxious to arrest homo-
sexuals because “[homosexuality] is illegal in this country”.
(88) Ironically, a group of faggots in South Africa called for a
worldwide boycott of the country as a tourist destination. (89)
Yes, South Africa, the world’s pariah! To what depths will these
people sink?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: This is why your friend died, John
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I didn’t mean to spit in your face, John. It wasn’t me who killed your friend.
Perhaps you should apportion the blame where it belongs. Like Zionists,
homosexuals don’t give a fuck about anyone else, in fact they’re far worse than
Zionists, and that’s saying something.
In the final analysis, like all other noisy, vociferous, left
wing pressure groups and lobbies, the organised homosexual move-
ment doesn’t give a damn about anyone or anything other than its
own agenda. Homosexuals might be damned in the next world, but
they have damned many innocent people in this one, especially
haemophiliacs. Reisman and Eichel (already cited) claim that
homosexual activists attempted to interfere with the introduction
of blood-donor screening as long ago as 1983. (93) This was long
after the connection was made between hepatitis B and homosexual
practices. Sodomites are notoriously infested with this blood-
borne disease.
In his book, Shilts – who can hardly be called a homophobe –
claims, or rather boasts, that homosexuals screamed that screen-
ing of blood supplies was the equivalent of “scapegoating” them.
“Representatives from gay organizations…firmly opposed taking
any action to screen blood donors, saying the screening would
pose serious civil rights questions.” he said. Understandably,
haemophiliacs’ representatives were stunned: “what about a hemo-
philiac’s right to life?” they asked. (94)
While in Washington, fag leaders intimidated Red Cross officials
into excluding sexual orientation from a questionnaire for do-
nors. And in New York, the National Gay Task Force rounded up
virtually every homosexual leader in Manhattan to stand on the
steps of the New York Blood Center where they denounced efforts
to screen donors. (95) The result of course was that haemophi-
liacs, totally innocent people, were infected with this terrible
disease en masse, and for what purpose? To spare the hurt feel-
ings of the spiritual heirs of Sodom and Gomorrah. People who
will stoop to such depths, and in this case, to actually cause
the deaths of hundreds, or even thousands, of innocent people, in
order to protect a good name none of them deserves to possess,
such people are beneath contempt and deserve everything God and
Nature bestows on them.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> when one has been proved right and useful as
> often as the ADL has
> Or are you so blinded by your bigotry that you can’t see that?
What I did see was a report that the ADL spied on 12,000 citizens and 800
organisations – including Greenpeace! – and had corrupted at least one police
officer in California, and God knows how many else elsewhere.
Is that you’re idea of educating the public about the evils of anti-Semitism?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Alexander Baron” writes:
> Harry, I don’t know who is feeding you your lies but he is being extremely
> wreckless. I don’t even know who the fuck is the editor of the Spectator.
> To the best of my knowledge I have never even been mentioned by the
> Spectator.
Minor correction: the Spectator is edited by Dominic Lawson, who is Jewish.
Last year it was slagged off for publishing a supposedly anti-Semitic but
really simply asinine article about Hollywood by one William Cash.
The Spectator is written by and for upper class twits and chinless wonders
and is not something I would read if it were free.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Symbolic or not, the suit is (was) against the Commissioner of Police.
> The police in Great Britain are decent and honorable. The ill-bred
> characterization of my source of information does not speak well
> about Mr. Baron’s upbringing.
Just like the police in LA. Ask Rodney King.
> Can Mr. Baron prove that:
> a) He does not know the Editor of _Spectator?_
I have told you once Harry, don’t persist with this nonsense or I’ll make you
look foolish like I did over the Suzman and Diamond book. You are being informed
by liars.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
Dan, I am amazed, simply amazed that you would attempt to defend the dross
of Kitty Hart. I am becoming more and more convinced that, like Pressac, you
are a Revisionist mole.
> # “On the outside of the low building a ladder had been placed
> # which reached up to a small opening. A figure in SS uniform
> # climbed up briskly. At the top he pulled on a gas mask and
> # gloves. Holding the opening with one hand, he pulled a bag
> # out of his pocket, and swiftly threw the contents, a
> # white powder, inside, shutting the opening immediately…the most
> # terrifying screams echoed through the air, the desperate cries of
> # suffocating people”.
One bag of white powder which she saw from fifty yards away, and it killed
hundreds of people. And of course she heard the screams too.
> # page 104 “it was the sight of the little babies thrown into the
> # bonfires without the detour of the gas chamber that always made
> # me feel sick.”
She saw this for real, did she Dan?
> The “bonfires” obviously mean the burning ditches. Many testified
> about this. We also know (and Baron doesn’t deny this) that the
> Nazis burned people alive elsewhere.
Naughty, naughty, trying it on again. Once again you are referring to an
SS atrocity at the end of the war, the sort of thing that happened at
Lidice, only this time it was a camp. Kitty Hart is talking about alleged
systematic mass murder.
> # pages 105-6 “One afternoon while we were inside the sauna taking
> # showers, there was a strong smell of gas. Was this perhaps our
> # imagination?”
> # This was caused, apparently, by one of the doors of the gas
> # chambers being opened too early.
> Definitely possible. What doesn’t Baron accept here? The gas chambers
> of Kremas IV and V did have ventilation problems (see Pressac’s book).
Dan, how far was she from the “gas chamber”? Considering how deadly cyanide
is meant to be, would it really have been drifting all over the camp?
> # page 106: a woman in the crematorium recognised her own son, she
> # ran to him, he was stacking wood. Outside?
> # page 107 “He handed her a towel and soap, and joined her inside
> # the gas chamber. There were a thousand such incidents.”
> The “thousand such incidents” may be inaccurate; but it’s a typical
> way in which people talk, like in “I told you a thousand times…”.
Stop it Dan, please, stop it. Did she see this “incident”? Please, don’t
humiliate yourself.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> A rather accurate description of the gassings in Krema IV and
> V, where the gas was indeed thrown inside through small openings
> in the side walls (see “Nazi Mass Murder” and Pressac’s book). Hart’s
> description may be inaccurate on the color of the Zyklon-B, though.
Kremas I & II through the roof, III & IV through the side, according to
Mueller at the Auschwitz trial.
Don’t forget either that the bucket did the lambada.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:04:41 PDT 1995
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Players and spectators will recall that I mentioned the case of Dr Bendel
who testified at the Belsen trial that people were dispatched five at a time.
It was subsequently claimed by the “Jews can never lie brigade” that what he
meant was that they were placed in rows of five and shot one at a time. I’ve
just found where I saw this first.
Staeglich – pages 98-9 mentions the case of a “buried manuscript” in which
it is alleged that Moll lined people up 4 at a time and dispatched them with
a single bullet.
Unfortunately, the source he gives is Adler, Langbein and Lingens-Reiner,
whose book was published only in German. This manuscript was said to have
been “found” in 1953, it was a notebook in Yiddish.
Staeglich documents this nonsense and stresses that it is clearly of communist
origin.
Please comment as follows:
Jamie McCarthy: More rhetoric Baron. What evidence is there that this is
a forgery or that this magic bullet trick couldn’t have happened?
Mike Stein/John Morris: This is obviously a case of the truth being embroidered.
David Cole: Change the subject and accuse Baron of lying about something else.
Harry Mazal: Wait for October 22 then accuse Baron of lying about something
else.
Chorus: Baron is a Nazi.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
>The only reasons
> why Holocaust revisionism in its present form deserves to be “banned” are
> because of its thinly veiled racist and anti-Semitic underpinnings on the one
> hand, and its deliberately misleading “research” on the other.
According to the likes of Deborah Lipstadt, Holocaust Revisionism is
anti-Semitic per se. In other words, by her criteria it all deserves to
be banned.
>I do not
> advocate forceful banning of this inanity, unless it spills over into
> violence
Ask Ernst – where’s my house gone? – Zundel; David – bloody nose – Cole,
Greg – arson victim – Raven; Robert – acid in face – Faurisson, and plenty
of others, who initiates such violence.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Does the fact that two newspapers might have been owned by Jews during WWII
> imply something to you, Al? Do you mean to say that they controlled the
> editorial and news policies in some nefarious way? Does this have anything
> to do with the historical reality of the Holocaust?
You, or someone, made a snide remark about Al believing that the media was
controlled by Jews. I provided evidence from a Jewish author that most
of Hollywood was owned by Jews and the two most influential newspapers in
the States at the time. That is all.
While I do not subscribe to the belief that Jews – or a substantial number of
them – are involved in a conscious plot to subvert Western civilisation –
I think it equally absurd to postulate the belief that because so many
Jews work in or control the media that this in no way reflects Jewish
aspirations. Certainly the mass media is more susceptible to lobbying
by Zionist “aspirations”, although after Sabra and Shatila even the most
gullible and compliant of media Jews have woken up to the true nature of
Zionism, as I know from private conversations with Jewish journalists. Like
goyim, most of these people are too intimidated to go on the record.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The NIGGER walks!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Kerwin L. Gray” writes:
> Being arrested qualifies you on proper police procedure. Quite frankly, I
> think it obvious, that you as the criminal had a somewhat different aggended
> than the arresting officer.
Alleged criminal. I was once arrested on suspicion of being a member of the
IRA, believe it or not.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Last Instructor” writes:
> Such bullshit abounds. OJ, simply slit, cut the necks of Nichole & Ron
> Goldman, Blood evidence proves the fact.
> The jury of niggers – remain, simply niggers. They cannot give time to
> examine simple evidence.
> The problem remains: Niggers!
Remember that next time you’re arrested for murder. Even if Simpson did it
– and I’m not so dumb as to suggest that he didn’t – the point remains: how
can any jury convict a man of a double murder when one of the most important
investigating officers can’t look the jury in the eye and say “I did not plant
evidence in this case?”
As for the problem being “Niggers”, that says more about you than it does
about the jury, three of whom were white.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:09:56 PDT 1995
Article: 11221 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> You did not explicitly claim that Jews controlled the Fed, no. I have
> to ask, though, Al–if you didn’t mean to imply just that, why did you
> post the lie about the Jewish-sounding banks owning the Fed?
This is not a lie; I took that information from THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. If
it is incorrect then that is not my fault. I have seen nothing here to suggest
that it is incorrect in spite of all the dross about the member banks being
the owners. I made the point to emphasise the fact that these banks had Jewish
names but that they weren’t Jewish. Anyone who has studied the history of
banking, as I have to a limited degree, knows full well how many Jewish
banks there were, about the Christian usurers: William Cade, the Medici, etc.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:09:56 PDT 1995
Article: 11222 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Gas chamber proof discovered
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Let’s ask anoher question, Frank. Are you willing to believe (now
> that we’ve seen this long-hidden technical evidence) that such
> evidence might be hidden from our view for many years
Or fabricated out of our view much more recently.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:09:57 PDT 1995
Article: 11223 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> As in another post in this thread, I have to ask whether the
> Palestinian who claimed to have seen a ritual murder had any other
> evidence to support his claim. Was his story corroborated or not?
This is a hypothetical Palestinian. What supporting evidence has Kitty Hart
that SS man Wagner found a baby that had survived a “gassing” and then
threw it into the oven? Answer: none.
> Again, you still don’t get it. It is easy enough to just to say that
> this autobiography or that memoir is a lie, but you never seem to
> respond to any other sort of evidence.
Let’s deal with one piece of evidence at a time. Do you concede that this
passage about SS man Wagner and the baby is a lie. Yes or no? Let’s not
say it is Hart’s lie, let’s say simply ther is not a shred of evidence
that this happened. Yes or no, John?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:09:58 PDT 1995
Article: 11224 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> I’ll agree that this particular SS man probably couldn’t have been
> convicted in a court of law based soley on this passage from Hart’s
> book.
Probably?
That’s not what you’ve been claiming, however; you’ve stated
> outright that Hart was lying, that you know she was lying, and that
> the rest of us defend her in spite of knowing she was lying.
That is exactly what I am claiming. Kitty Hart is a fantasist; I’ve seen
her on TV. As I said, you people are so spineless you will never accuse
any Jew of lying, even if believing her means violating the laws of physics
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:09:58 PDT 1995
Article: 11225 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: How Gay Men Have Sex and What they do *Not* Eat in the Process.
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Paul Boyer” writes:
> BTW, the source that anti-gay zealots usually use to justify their claims
> of “feces-eating homosexuals” is one of “Dr.” Paul Cameron’s infamous
> studies on the sexual practices of homosexuals, published in
> _Psychological Reports_ (a notorious vanity journal for those whose
> “studies” are so shoddily done and openly biased, that no reputable
> peer-reviewed journal of psychology would EVER accept their “study”). In
> the “study” in question, Cameron noted that some 29 percent of
> the homosexuals queried had engaged in “oral-anal contact” since they had
> become sexually active.
Cecilia, this is well-documented from many sources. Try reading the personal
ads in a “gay” newspaper sometime. If you’ve got a strong stomach.
> : I’ll chase down _The Orton Diaries_ down in the library too, but I would
> : appreciate a more complete reference. And what’s more important, who’s
> : the publisher? How do I know that this diary is genuine? It could be
> : a homophobic forgery.
No. John Kingsley (Joe) Orton (1933-67) was a playwright. He was a notorious
homosexual. He was murdered by his “lover” Kenneth Halliwell who then committed
suicide. His diaries are shockingly authentic. Orton and Halliwell were once
gaoled for defacing library books with queer porn. I feel kind of sorry for
Halliwell because he was obviously a man who was tortured by his perversion,
but Orton wallowed in it. There is at least another biography of him, by some
sick fag.
> Joe Orton, the filmmaker? He’s no more representative of ALL homosexuals
> — or even a minority of homosexuals — than would be Mel Reynolds, Bob
> Packwood or Teddy Kennedy of all heterosexuals. ‘Nuff said.
> Paul
> ———-
> “Fill all of that emptiness with the blood I’ve shed
> It’s the spirit of life
> Don’t build your dreams on the treasures of man
> They’ll drag you away
> It’s a deadly lie”
> –Shadow Gallery, “Deeper Than Life”
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:09:59 PDT 1995
Article: 11226 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Further to NIGGER walks!
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> Unless it’s spelled differently in the U.S., “civiliZation” is spelled
> with a *Z*, Mr. Baron. I, for one, cannot find it spelled with an ‘s’
> in any of my 7 dictionaries.
That’s because you’re an American. We have long dropped z in words
like recognize etc. You also spell cheque check, walk on the sidewalk
instead of the pavement, wear suspenders instead of braces, and talk
crap instead of common sense.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:10:00 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Further to NIGGER walks!
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> The size of Mr. Baron’s brain is proportional to the lawsuits that he has
> won after suing decent and upright men. Can one have _no_ brain at
> all and still post on this newsgroup? The question bears pondering!
Harry, the more nonsense you spout now the more humble pie you’ll eat
later on.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 07:10:01 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
> >Did the Nazis use wood for the crematoria?
> Not that I recall. They did, however, use wood to boil water to remove
> the flesh from skeletons selected as medical specimens. That was one
> of the jobs of Miklos Nyiszli, a Polish physician assigned to the
> Sonderkommando in one of the Kremas. His memoir is titled simply
> “Auschwitz: A Doctor’s Eyewitness Account.”
Yes, another very important “eyewitness” who didn’t give evidence at Nuremberg.
He also wrote letters from beyond the grave and reported gassings in Belsen.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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O.J. Simpson had very good lawyers. I should phone him and ask him if he could
recommend an equally good psychiatrist, because you need one if you believe
crap like that.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Article: 11230 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Concentration Camp Manager?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Russell Brunelle” writes:
> Hi. A while ago, I was watching the local news in Portland, and they had
> some sensationalist report on a computer game that had come out of
> Germany called “Concentration Camp Manager.” Apparently, it was a sort
> of SimCity for would-be Gorings.
> Well, I have to admit that, though I actually bear no ill will toward
> Jews at all (some are my closest friends, in fact), I have become curious
> in a morbid sort of way as to whether such games actually exist.
I don’t think this game exists. A few years ago there was a report of a
computer game called “Intifada” in which the object was to shoot as many
Palestinians as possible without getting stoned, or something like that.
I don’t think that existed either. Check out the “Urban Legend” books by
Brunvand.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In message <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> > If people are going to post questions in the group, please don’t E-mail
> > me as well. Thanks.
> Gee, after I publicly laughed at you and called you a cheap dissimulator
> and a liar for your ridiculous treatment of Al Capone, you sent me an
> e-mail message saying “Fuck off, you wanker.”
You sent it to me in an E-mail. It was perhaps a bit strong so you may take
this as a partial apology. It was your fault though for libelling Al Capone.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> Let’s get to specifics, Al-baby: what report did you see, and what did it
> allege, and what is the truth of the matter?
This has been well documented by the US mainstream media as well as by anti-
Zionists (including Jews). There was a good article in “Palestine Solidarity”
a while back.
>presumably, the same lawyers who you used when
> you got whipped around the courthouse in your last lawsuit?
If you repeat the lies that have been peddled to Harry Mazal and peddled by
him without ascertaining the true facts – from me, the one person who is
in a position to give them – you will look every bit as venal as Harry
on October 22 when I shove the truth down your stupid throat.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
>The revisionazi tactic of picking at
> a seemingly weak or less-well-documented thread in an historical event that
> constitutes an interwoven cable of hundreds of thousands or even millions
> of threads can at best succeed in breaking only one of them. If Kitty Hart
> had never existed, the history of the Holocaust wouldn’t be perceptibly
> revised.
The point you miss is that ALL survivor testimony is like this: it’s all about
wicked Nazis throwing babies into ovens or shooting people through the neck
five at a time. When it isn’t, it paints an entirely different picture. You
can find that with Hart’s book. It was said of Freud that what is new in Freud
has no merit and what is of merit is not new. With survivor testimony, what
relates to “gassings” has no merit, what has merit does not relate to gassings.
If you read between the lines of Kitty Hart’s book you find a story which has
some merit, but it is simply that of a young girl who, like millions of others,
had a hard time during the war, including losing her loved ones.
—
Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> First, hearsay certainly is evidence. There are many exceptions (the book
Hearsay is not evidence in a British criminal court, and for very good reasons.
It would mean that you – as a defendant in a murder trial say – could start any
absurd rumour or get your friends to – and if there were enough rumours and
hearsay the jury would have to acquit you. Rumours, hearsay and nonsense are
not evidence, if they were you would have to conclude that JFK was murdered
by the FBI, the CIA, the KGB, the Mafia, Lyndon Johnson and God knows who else.
That’s where the hearsay and scurrilous gossip points. The evidence points to
Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Thanks, Al. But when was the last time you called a *right-winger* a f*****g
> fascist? Or a stupid Nazi?
Last week.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Are you then seriously saying that Jews are more prone to inveterate lying
> than other “races”? Seriously?
What I have said is that different ethnic groups have different patterns of
social (and anti-social) behaviour. It is not “racist” propaganda to believe
that blacks are more prone to mugging, it is a simple fact. It is not “racist”
propaganda to believe that serial sex killers are overwhelmingly white, Gentile
and above average intelligent males, it is simply a fact. By the same logic
it is no more anti-Semitic to make such a claim about Jews as it is to claim
that they have more than their fair share of Nobel Prize winners or talented
song writers.
There is also the fact that Jewish political organisations can and do smear
as anti-Semitic anyone who catches them at it, and this has enabled them to
get away with it more than others. In the words of Rabbi Dr Elmer Berger,
Zionism has used one of the best propaganda machines known to man.
The anti-Semitic fallacy is to tar all Jews with the same brush, something I
have never done.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I don’t know, Donald. I think Harry’s got him by the short hairs (hey, what
> a pun!). Harry knows what’s going on–he must be clairvoyant–and Al *knows*
> that Harry knows. Methinks that on, or shortly after October 22, Harry’s
> going to have all the poop on Al, and the fur will fly. I also think Al may
> just fly. He hasn’t denied his imminent flight, so I must be right. <g>
Harry will look stupid. If you want to look stupid too, endorse him now.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
> I wouldn’t want
> Mr. Mazal probing into *my* closets, not by a long shot! Just a word to
> the wise if you’re lurking, Al! :>)
The only closet Mr Mazal has been probing in is a water closet, which is why
he’s talking s***
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Fritz Robin” writes:
> As a point of information, Dawidowicz’ book, ‘The War against the Jews’
> was published first in 1975 by Holt Reinhardt and Winston. Cheap editions
> are available in Bantam paperback. As a moderate (non-bigoted)
> revisionist, I strongly recommend the work, and Dawidowicz’ essay in
> ‘Commentary’ in 1981. The latter in particular, with some 5 factual
> errors in the first page did much to convince me of the possibility, if
> not the plausibility, of the revisionist case even before reading much of
> the holocaust revisionist thesis.
Her Commentary article is a lie-ridden polemic. Professor Butz recommends
her book; he says it is impossible to reconcile the portrait she paints
of Jewish life in Poland under the Nazi persecution with the extermination
programme.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Staffan Friberg” writes:
> Now, the virus is called HIV, and it is most certainly a virus. If you are
> going to dispute that you have a great deal of explanation to do.
A lot of people believe HIV is innocent, a harmless passenger virus. Including
one guy who injected himself with it at the launch of his book to prove the
point!
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> When did you ever make Mr. Mazal look foolish? I do remember Mr. Mazal
> exposing certain absurd ideas of Dounting (sorry, Doubting) Thomas
> and David Cole. I even remember how he told us about your rather
> embarassing attempts to sue others. What I distinctly do not rmeembner
> is any way that you have made him look silly.
Mr Mazal accused me of or insinuated that I had sent him forged documents.
He refused to believe that there was a 2nd edition of the book. Then when I
pointed out that the book was full of lies, including a photograph of alleged
“gassed” victims, he changed the subject. Even Mike Stein backed me up to a
degree, but then I would never tar Mike Stein with the same brush as Harry
frightened old man Jews can do no wrong Mazal.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> > Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> (Text containing falsehoods deleted)
> > Minor correction: the Spectator is edited by Dominic Lawson, who is Jewish.
> > Last year it was slagged off for publishing a supposedly anti-Semitic but
> > really simply asinine article about Hollywood by one William Cash.
> Very good. One day ago Mr. Baron denied knowing who the publisher of
> _Spectator_ was. Today he makes a ‘minor correction’ and identifies him.
> Mr. Baron will no doubt deny that he has sued Mr. Lawson.
Harry, I do not KNOW the editor of the Spectator, and although I once submitted
an article to the magazine c1990, I am sure he has never heard of me. If you
want proof, why not phone him? Or send him a fax? Then when he confirms my
story you can apologise. Or change the subject like you always do.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> It’s your responsibility to make certain the sources you use are
> credible. This one is not.
Tell that to the defenders of Kitty Hart.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> You mean, if “THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE” _was_ nothing but a pile of
> horseshit and lies
No it does not; this book contains extensive documentation on the fight
against the Fed. One of the people involved in this fight is named Cohen.
> > I made the point to emphasise the fact that these banks had Jewish names but
> > that they weren’t Jewish.
> You _emphasized_ the fact? More like mentioned in passing you mean.
If you’d read what I said you would not have said that, but you’re obviously
not interested in what I said.
> You
> seemed to go to great lengths to twist things around so as to _imply_ that
> “Organized Jewry” appeared to own the Federal Reserve
I have NEVER said any such thing.
> And what does this (and your origional post) actually have to do with the
> Federal Reserve? Which is _not_ owned by “Organized Jewry?”
Again, I never said any such thing, look up any of my published works: my
pamphlet on Arnold Leese is particularly good in this respect; this, incidentally,
was praised by a distinguished Libertarian journal as a devastating attack
on National Socialism.
People like you are very quick in making bizarre allegations against me, but
when it comes to proving them in a court of law it’s a different ballgame.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Oops! Bludgeoned by the oppressive heat and eighteen holes of very bad
> golf, I posted the name _Spectator_ instead of _Searchlight. My apologies
> for the confusion. My note should read:
The biggest hole is in your head, Harry.
If I were as big an arsehole as you I would make a great deal more of
this claim re the Spectator. Like your claim that I lied about knowing
who the editor of the Spectator is.
>This last suit will, in my personal opinion, be
> thrown out of court for the British equivalent of a frivolous lawsuit.
You are entitled to your personal opinion; it’s a good thing I’m not a gambling
man or I’d take you to the cleaners on it.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Instead politely informing Ms. Lambeth of the difference between
> British and North American usage, you resort to unprovoked insult
> instead. Why?
Because she’s obviously as stupid as you are. People who try to score cheap
points should make sure they get their facts straight.
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Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “swan” writes:
> Frankly, having been MARRIED to someone in the LAPD, I KNOW the things
> they were up against.
Roddy King was beaten 56 times in 81 seconds, mostly over the head. No one,
I repeat, no one, can justify that.
HOWEVER… Under Bill Gates, the Department
> acquired and intensified a “bunker mentality” that boggles the rational
> mind! Gates was a psychotic, plain and simple.
I don’t like Windows 95 either.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Oh, great. Now you’re making up stories to test our credulity with.
Anyone who believes Kitty Hart’s dross has already had his credulity tested
to the limit.
> Red herring. Your original claim was that Hart said she saw this
> incident. Now that you have posted a more complete passage on the
> incident it is clear that she is repeating a story she heard. Given
> the daily horror of Auschwitz, which you deny anyway by a reflex
> action, the incident is all too believable.
Again, Hart’s book is an “autobiography”. It may read to you as though
she is repeating hearsay but I have seen her on TV make a claim that is
nearly as bad, and I have no doubt that she believes she saw this incident.
Either way you lose: if this is “hearsay” then it is not evidence.
> Hart’s supporting evidence is the context of her life at Auschwitz.
> Why should she not have believed such a story? Why shouldn’t we?
If you read about her life at Auschwitz she talks about organising concerts
for one thing; Vrba carried out a love affair in the camp. Much more. There is
nothing to support such nonsense as this.
> That’s rich coming from you. Again, and yet again, you still don’t get
> it. Not “yes” or “no.” Hart’s story of the baby has to be assessed in
> the light of everything we know about Auschwitz.
Look, according to you it is hearsay; it has no more validity than the claim
that JFK murdered Marilyn Monroe. Far less if like me you don’t believe a
baby could have survived a “gassing” sucking at its mother’s breast. Don’t forget
we are told that hundreds of people were crammed into these chambers.
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> BTW, can you demonstrate so much as one (1) wrongful death for which
> Stalin was responsible given the standards of evidence you tender for
> the acts of Hitler and his cronies? How do we know those Polish officers
> in the Katyn Forest didn’t all commit suicide or emigrate to Cleveland?
If you want to make out a case for either of the above, go ahead.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Oct 17 21:57:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Now–how, exactly, does the incident related by Hart violate the laws
> of physics?
Sucking a nipple does not give one immunity from cyanide poisoning.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 17 21:57:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Oh dear, here we go again. You must be reading a book by a different
> Miklos Nyiszli because I can only find one reference to Belsen in the
> whole book. Nyiszli’s wife and daughter were transferred from
> Auschwitz to Belsen near the end of 1944. Perhaps I missed the other
> reference, and you will, no doubt, set me straight by providing a page
> or chapter number. Nyiszli himself was never at Belsen.
1980 Grenada reprint, last page: “They had just been freed from Bergen-Belsen,
one of the most notorious extermination camps.” No reference to gassing but
Belsen wasn’t an extermination camp, as stated here.
> What was the favorite item in the Baron arsenal last month? Ah, yes:
> sure he did.
Check out Pressac, it’s his claim, not mine.
Incidentally, Nyiszli, or whoever wrote his book, claims also that a 15 year
old girl survived a gassing but was despatched with a bullet in the back
of the neck. The implication is that she was killed (gassed) because of her
age. Which is rather ironic because she was about the same age, perhaps a
little older, than Kitty Hart.
Granted that the doctor did exist, why wasn’t this most important eyewitness
to genocide called at Nuremberg? Or any other trial? I can think of two reasons:
1) he wasn’t really at Auschwitz; 2) he led a rather prosaic life in the camp
working his balls off tending the sick.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 17 21:57:34 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Fake documents, Dr Bendel and the laws of physics
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Sorry. I don’t plan to get sucked into another “hypothetical”
> discussion of mystery manuscripts, and “Staeglich says” until I know
> what it is you are talking about.
You keep accusing me of lying but never back it up.
> Given your track record of glaring misrepresentations, I choose not to
> play until you provide a lot more information about this “buried
> manuscript.”
It’s in a book by Adler, Langbein and Lingens-Reiner but I can’t read
German. Every quote by Staeglich I have ever checked has been published by
him in good faith.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
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[email protected] “Robert McElwaine” writes:
> UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
> I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan’s updated “Cosmos”
> programs on PBS during summer 1991. In one of them, he STILL
> maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO
> Spacecraft, “just stories”.
> I should think that by now he would have heard about the
> Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
> found on a ranch in New Mexico, gathered up by the U.S.
> military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger somewhere.
> The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on Earth, and some
While it is undoubtedly true that the military lied about Roswell, they
weren’t the only ones. There has recently been an in-depth article in the
Skeptical Inquirer which proves once again that the only “mystery” of UFOs
is in people’s heads. In particular, yours.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 17 21:57:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Orton vs Hart
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> By what strange mechanism do you know that Joe Orton was giving us the
> unvarnished truth and Kitty Hart was not? How does your method of
> assessing Orton’s diary differ from your method of assessing Hart’s
> memoir?
Orton’s diaries were published posthumously. Whether or not they were intended
for publication remains to be seen. Orton’s disgusting sexual habits are de
rigueur homo filth and too well documented to need documenting here. If you want
proof you can do some in situ research, but you’ll need a strong stomach.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:46 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
>The issue is
> whether the ADL has a disproportionate influence on the media.
That’s an issue?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:47 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> ..The gas chamber was located in the center of a large room in the crematory
> building.
> (etc.)”
> This is a public document that Mr. Baron can obtain and read at his leisure.
And like the Mueller document they are made up out of the whole cloth. The
official Exterminationist line is now that no one was gassed at Dachau (although
I’m not sure if this includes medical experiments, some of which were pretty
gruesome). The “gas chamber” was delaye for 3 years.
The authors of the
> book
> “Six Million Did Die” should, perhaps, have investigated the assertion by
> Senator Barkley. Failure to do so does not make them liars. A lie is a
> statement
> made with the purpose of deceiving.
Do I detect the whisper of a retraction? Does their failure to check count
as every bit as serious as my being conned by the Lachout document?`
Does Mr Mazal now retract the insinuation that I sent him forged documents?
> Finally, nobody, Jews included, are exempt from doing wrong. Jews are,
> although Mr. Baron perhaps difers, people just like anyone else.
Harry, every time I say that I am smeared as an anti-Semite. Don’t make common
cause with me or you too will become an unperson. Don’t you realise that in
the eyes of Organised Jewry (the Jewish Establishment if you prefer) Jews
can do NO wrong?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:48 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Karl Kluge” writes:
> You can’t selectively take the Fifth. Fuhrman couldn’t refuse to testify
> regarding his use of the N-word, but answer questions about planting (or not)
> evidence.
Really? Then why did he answer three questions with “I exercise my 5th amendment
right” etc that I saw?
Incidentally, a Rastafarian friend of mine – well, an assimilated Rastafarian –
says he believes Simpson was guilty as f***. Shortly after the verdict was
announced I saw a Nigerian arguing that he should have been convicted with an
Asian who thought the verdict fair, so I don’t think there is such a racial
divide. Most people I know think Simpson walked because he was rich.
I still maintain there is no way you can convict a man on the “evidence” of
the likes of Mark Furman.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:49 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> …But always they fall back on “Shoah business” — on the idea that,
> > somebody, somewhere, is using the imagery of theHolocaust to promote their
> > personal agenda.
It’s just a pun, for God sake, and a very good one.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:49 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Charles Freedberg ” writes:
> Unless of course they happen to have testified,
> about their personal experiences, at a war crimes trial for Nazi
> atrocities. Those Jews all happen to be either liars, or crazy.
I don’t recall Kitty Hart testifying; Ella Lingens-Reiner was a Gentile.
There are quite a few books written by Gentile survivors, and they are
no better than the books written by Jews.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:50 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> >If anyone knows a toxicologist I could speak to about gas poisoning
> >and infants, I’d appreciate hearing about it. Thanks.
> >Posted, and not emailed to Mr. Baron per his request.
They may well be, Cecelia, but that won’t do them any good if they’re “gassed”
with cyanide.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:51 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I see no reason to doubt what Kitty Hart wrote.
Kitty Hart’s book is ghost-written.
>Unlike various
> “leading revisionists”,
>she didn’t claim that the Nazis built
> “UFO’s”, and flew them to a “secret base” in the South-Pole.
ONE leading Revisionist who is as much a publicist and practical joker
as anything else. Zundel also ran for President. You’ve gotta admire the
guy’s chutzpah if nothing else.
> She seems to indeed be in error on the color of the Zyklon. However,
> the gas is extremely poisonous and, as every toxicologist will
> tell you, a rather small amount (a few pounds) will indeed kill
> hundreds of people locked in a closed chamber. Scientific fact.
> 0.1 gram will kill an adult man. It’s a scientific fact.
So one bag that could fit in a man’s pocket was shoved in the top of this
gas chamber? How long would it take to fill the entire room and gas hundreds
of people? Wouldn’t bodies falling on the crystals have stopped it
spreading? Don’t forget, it was in solid form, Dan.
> # Naughty, naughty, trying it on again. Once again you are referring
> # to an SS atrocity at the end of the war, the sort of thing that
> # happened at Lidice, only this time it was a camp. Kitty Hart is
> # talking about alleged systematic mass murder.
I gave Lidice as an example of an atrocity; I was thinking more of Abzug’s
book which documents an SS arson atrocity at the end of the war, and which
you tried to pass off as a regular part of the alleged genocide programme.
> Are you really
> so incredibly stupid that you cannot understand this?
The question is not were they capable – we all are – but did they?
> Does she say she saw it? She obviously quotes testimonies of other
> people in the book, and she doesn’t hide the fact she does. Nothing
> wrong here. A GI, writing about his experience of WW2, may have
> written “we were supposed to invade Japan, but then the A-bomb
> ended the war and we went home”.
And I can write about Shakespeare or Julius Caesar, but if I give evidence
in a courtroom that Mr X murdered Mr Y because Mr Z told me so that is hearsay
and is not evidence.
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Alexander Baron
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