Donald Moffitt writes:
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> —Remarkable discovery by Les Griswold, White Trash Neo-Nazi: Adolf
> Hitler was tall, blond, blue-eyed and Nordic. He heard it from a guy who
> heard it from a guy, so it must be true.
A bit like stories of human soap, gassings and the like.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:03 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
> But anyway — practically every *commercial* bank in the U.S. owns an
> interest in the Federal Reserve System. Created by federal legislation,
> the System is entirely owned by U.S. *commercial* banks.
If you had actually read what I said you wouldn’t insinuate that I claimed the
Fed was controlled by a Jewish oligarchy; what I said was that they had Jewish
names, which causes much confusion. By the same token Marks & Spencer was a
Jewish firm; it is now a public company with 100,000+ shareholders, but
the crazies still claim it is a Jewish scam.
> The Federal Reserve System, incidentally, owns nothing significant. It
> exercises a huge amount of control over borrowing and lending through the
> mechanims by which it influences interest rates and money supply —
> directed almost entirely in recent years to avoiding a higher inflation
> rate. *Everybody* has to live with the Fed, and nobody seems to like it
> much, but then, nobody ever likes financial discipline, do they?
Wrong! Nobody has to live with the Fed; the Fed could be abolished. Conspiracy
theorists like Gary Allen and Revisionist Historians like Antony Sutton have
provided abundant evidence that the Fed is Master rather than servant. Finer
brains than yours realise this, and in fact they have fought the financial
system from the 1860s; see for example Mrs Emery’s brave little book
SEVEN FINANCIAL CONSPIRACIES THAT HAVE ENSLAVED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:04 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Richard Schultz” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Recall the large numbers of Jewish-born communists who later served the
> >Soviets well in the United States shortly after.
> You mean Jewish-born communists like Klaus Fuchs? Interesting how you
> don’t mention the British spies who served the Soviets so well.
Like George Blake? Alias Cohen.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:05 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Richard Schultz” writes:
> Do you accept that the Einsatzgruppen reports were authentic?
> If so, how do reconcile that with the statement above, and if
> not, why did Ohlendorff, who was convicted entirely on their evidence,
> accept them as legitimate and argue that he was simply following
> orders?
I think they were largely exaggerated.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:05 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ulrich Roessler” writes:
> May I suggest you and Mr.Staeglich as likely candidates. Both of you
> only claimed that someone had tampered with it – so we may conclude
> that the main parts of it are authentic even in your view.
Judge Staeglich actually.
> As neither you nor Mr.Staeglich ever cared to detail in which way
> the protocol was changed
> You can’t have read his book to come out with stuff like that.
who did this, when, and how this
> was done, we may conclude that all parts of it are authentic in your
> own view – you simply didn’t remember this fact. Or do you always
> put forward such claims without any shred of evidence?
> Remember, the document was found in the papers of the Foreign Office
> by the U.S. prosecutors.
And the Protocols were “found” in the Chancellery of Zion.
I’m sending some photocopies to Jeff next week and he’s going to scan them in
so I suggest that we wait until then before you make a fool out of yourself
any further.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:06 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
> >In our email discussion which I will shortly be posting to the net,
> >Mr. Baron repeated, many times, that “extraordinary claims require
> >extraordinary proof.”
I didn’t realise I’d had an E-mail discussion with you. Please post it.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:07 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> The fact is that Hitler didn’t brag about the extermination
> of the Jews; he didn’t go on the radio and talk about it.
> He did say, in 1939, that the Jews will be exterminated; but
> he hardly mentioned it during the war.
Yet another out of context quote Dan. Read the whole thing.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:08 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> The memo was found within the last five years in the Auschwitz archive
> by Robert-Jan Van Pelt while researching his forthcoming book on the
> place of Auschwitz in the history of architecture. The archive was
> originally discovered at Auschwitz by the Soviet Army who took it back
> to Moscow and stored it uncatalogued and apparently untouched for 45
> years. So far as I know, no part of the archive was used at Nuremburg.
How convenient.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 15 14:09:08 PDT 1995
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$PC stole from victim$, published in the $Times$, September 12,
1995, page 4. A police officer is said to have stolen L440 from
an 83 year old burglary victim. She showed him where she kept her
money because “a policeman doesn’t take anything” he denied
theft, claimed he was under stress. He was convicted.
Come on Dan, do you really believe they sang the Internationale in the
gas chamber?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 16 09:08:08 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
Not a
> system, however, controlled by the International Jooish Banking
> Konspiracy, as you asserted–an assertion for which you’ve failed
> to present the least scintilla of evidence, as you fail to support
> every assertion you make. Does this bother you at all?
I didn’t provide evidence for this because I didn’t assert this, I said
exactly the opposite. Read my study GLOBAL DECEPTION, Dumbo.
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
> Hell, Al, why wait? The parimutuel board says it’s a sure thing that you
> will dismiss them as forgeries, based on your track record. By the way,
> Al, would you send me a copy of your favorite forgery, the Mueller doc? I
> seriously doubt that you have discarded it.
Either you’re ignorant or you can’t read. Track down what I said about the
Mueller document. Better still, ask one of your Exterminationist friends.
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> The sun has yet to rise on the day when an anit-Semitic sack of shit like
> you
> can tell anybody who is a Jew and who isn’t. You simply don’t pack the gear.
> Look!! Over there!! There’s a nice flat rock. Why don’t you crawl under
> it. It’s
> where you came from.
Hasn’t it occurred to you, you kosher krank that not everybody who hates you
does so because you had your prick clipped. If all “Jews” were like you anti-
Semitism would be a virtue.
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> What an interesting world you live in, Mr. Baron! So…Capone’s
> existence is a matter of certainty because he was a “well-documented figure,”
> eh? Okay, what kinds of documents prove that he was a crime boss?
He wasn’t a crime boss, he was a great American entrepreneur.
> I’d suggest you take a look at pp. 229-235 of Lipstadt’s _Denying the
> Holocaust_ (which is available in paperback) for an overview of the
> deniers’ ridiculous assertions that Anne Frank’s diary is a forgery.
It’s not a ridiculous claim, it’s simply wrong.
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[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
First off, can we agree that nothing in the various accounts
> of the operations of the Holocaust (shootings and gas chambers) is
> “miraculous?”
No.
Read some of the testimonies; there are two records of people who claim
to have been taken out of gas chambers.
It is almost miraculous that up to 2,000 people were ordered to strip
naked and march into gas chambers with a bar of soap and a towel.
> Where did all those people GO, Mr. Baron?
Who says they were there in the first place? How many names of missing
people have been collected?
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New from ITMA
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Bringing History Into Accord With The Facts: The Carto Way L1.99
An expose of anti-Semitic fabrication and nonsense masquerading
as Revisionist History.
The Exterminationist Guidebook – Autumn 1995 Edition L1.99
A satirical document based on The Revisionist Guidebook; unlike the
crusade against Revisionism this one has more to offer than
branding people anti-Semitic without even attempting to refute
their arguments.
The Life And “Crimes” Of John Colin Campbell Jordan L4.99
A large format, thoroughly referenced biography of British Nazi
leader Colin Jordan.
A Revisionist History Of Prohibition L2.99
Rather than being any sort of feared gangster or mass murderer,
Al Capone was a totally innocuous and kind-hearted businessman who
was criminalised and demonised by one of the most repressive regimes
in history. This pamphlet, researched entirely from public domain
sources, explodes the racist myth of the vampire Italian gangster and
places Capone where he belongs, in the gallery of great American
entrepreneurs.
All titles may be ordered from ITMA, 93c Venner Road, Sydenham,
London SE26 5HU. All cheques payable to ITMA.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Barry Shein” writes:
> Well, it’s a rather colorful story and raises the question of who
> exactly told this story (tho that’s hardly a paradox, and you haven’t
> indicated it as such), but why is this, to you, evidence of fraud?
> Do you not believe they knew the words to the Internationale? What?
Is this guy for real? Are you saying that you take any of the above as
anything but a cynical communist-inspired piece of trash?
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Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> You seem to be insinuating that the memos are forgeries. If that is your
> claim, please provide some explanation of why we should believe that to
> be the case.
More to the point, will you explain why we should take at face value alleged
memos which come to light in Soviet archives 50 years after the war? What
laboratory has assessed them?
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Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: How is Irving A “Zionist Stooge?”
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Richard Schultz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >That’s *Zionist Stooge* Irving to you, buddy.
> How is David Irving a “Zionist Stooge?”
Read my book: THE CHURCHILL PAPERS
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“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 10:50:27 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz got a few pieces of bread a day to
> eat and a bowl of watery soup that had no meat or starch in it.
> It might have some turnips and potatos in it.
> Cecelia Clancy [email protected]
don’t be a moron Cecilia, some of these people were in the camps, including
Auschwitz, for years. Furthermore, quite a few people were released from
Auschwitz. The claim that people were wilfully starved to death is what
lawyers call a rolled up plea. Ie in the first place they were gassed, in
the second place they were starved, and in the third place the Nazis were
evil bastards anyway so it doesn’t matter if we lie about them.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 10:50:28 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: the media the jews and everything
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “ibokor” writes:
> As a matter of interest, Margaret Thatcher did not receive as high
> a percentage of the vote in the UK in, say her victory in 1987, as
> General Jaruszelski did when he lost the election in Poland a
> little later.
> Make of that what you will.
It is a common phenomenon that a higher percentage of citizens vote in
dictatorships than anywhere else. Just because people are popular doesn’t
mean they are good. That applies to Hitler as well as Stalin. It also applies
to beliefs. Just because a belief is popular doesn’t mean it is true. Dig?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 10:50:29 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: US “INVESTIGATORS” STARVE, BEAT UP, SAVAGELY KICK GERMANS
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> But forget that, for a moment. Some Americans, at some time, have tortured
> some defendants. Does that mean that no confession ever obtained by some
> American, no matter how much it is corroborated by other evidence, can be
> believed?
By that logic it’s okay for the police to torture suspects to obtain
“confessions”? Leaving aside the morality of this, torture usually has
the effect of persuading its victim to say what he thinks his torturers want
to hear.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 10:50:30 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Baron claims telepathic powers again
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In article <[email protected]t>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> For that matter, please produce your evidence that anything Dr. Keren
> has endorsed has been a lie. I know it’s tough, but please try to keep in
> mind that “Because I say so” is not evidence. Neither is “Because
> Staeglich says so.”
Dan Keren keeps repeating quotes torn out of context; Hitler’s 1939 pronouncement
against Jewry is typical. Dig out the full quote Mike and you’ll see. I take it
you’ve moved house now.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz got a few pieces of bread a day to
> eat and a bowl of watery soup that had no meat or starch in it.
> It might have some turnips and potatos in it.
> Cecelia Clancy [email protected]
don’t be a moron Cecilia, some of these people were in the camps, including
Auschwitz, for years. Furthermore, quite a few people were released from
Auschwitz. The claim that people were wilfully starved to death is what
lawyers call a rolled up plea. Ie in the first place they were gassed, in
the second place they were starved, and in the third place the Nazis were
evil bastards anyway so it doesn’t matter if we lie about them.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: the media the jews and everything
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “ibokor” writes:
> As a matter of interest, Margaret Thatcher did not receive as high
> a percentage of the vote in the UK in, say her victory in 1987, as
> General Jaruszelski did when he lost the election in Poland a
> little later.
> Make of that what you will.
It is a common phenomenon that a higher percentage of citizens vote in
dictatorships than anywhere else. Just because people are popular doesn’t
mean they are good. That applies to Hitler as well as Stalin. It also applies
to beliefs. Just because a belief is popular doesn’t mean it is true. Dig?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: US “INVESTIGATORS” STARVE, BEAT UP, SAVAGELY KICK GERMANS
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> But forget that, for a moment. Some Americans, at some time, have tortured
> some defendants. Does that mean that no confession ever obtained by some
> American, no matter how much it is corroborated by other evidence, can be
> believed?
By that logic it’s okay for the police to torture suspects to obtain
“confessions”? Leaving aside the morality of this, torture usually has
the effect of persuading its victim to say what he thinks his torturers want
to hear.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron claims telepathic powers again
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> For that matter, please produce your evidence that anything Dr. Keren
> has endorsed has been a lie. I know it’s tough, but please try to keep in
> mind that “Because I say so” is not evidence. Neither is “Because
> Staeglich says so.”
Dan Keren keeps repeating quotes torn out of context; Hitler’s 1939 pronouncement
against Jewry is typical. Dig out the full quote Mike and you’ll see. I take it
you’ve moved house now.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:38 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> Al, I never would have thought that you were so naive. The more
> perjurers, the greater likelihood that they will be exposed. Any number
> of perjurers above 5 are almost certain to become exposed in any competent
> court.
Then how could the IRA exist for decades? OMERTA – fear and silence.
How many people have lied about the IRA? The simple fact is that the British
government have been fighting this organisation for decades and they couldn’t,
or didn’t have the will to defeat them. So they have now allowed them to bomb
their way to the negotiating table.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:39 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> “Because reliable and responsible historians”
You mean they say the right things. These are the same “reliable and
responsible” historians who ignored the fact that the British had cracked the
German’s code during the war. Then the British flogged their code machines
to the colonies and eavesdropped on their conversations for decades. This
was revealed the other week in a TV programme on cryptography; Irving revealed
the same thing years ago.
> But if you are convinced that the archive is a massive forgery,
> perhaps you should lobby for some financial support for a fornesic
> investigation.
Great, I’ll send in my grant application to the Hillel Foundation next week,
if you’ll give me a character reference. I should get it if you tell them your
occupation: intellectual prostitute.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:39 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Rassinier in 1962: a fraudulently inserted comma
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
Either post or E-mail, don’t do both, you confuse me.
> Who is this “Abbe” you referr to?
Read Rassinier and find out.
> Who, in your opinion, was before Rassinier?
Ginsburg and Bardeche. Others who denied the propaganda very early on were
the highly placed American Intelligence officer, John Beaty, who was certainly
in a position to know; and the fanatical anti-Nazi Douglas Reed. C.H. Douglas
didn’t believe it either, and it was him (in an unsigned article) who wrote a
short piece about cremation rates in the Social Crediter. This might come
as a surprise to you, but a lot of Moslems don’t believe it either, and never did.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:40 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: THE “HOLOCAUST” NEVER HAPPENED!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> Posted to alt.revisionism, soc.culture.german, and soc.culture.jewish.
> E-mailed to myself, Imthorn JA, Bradley Smith, and Arthur Butz.
Is Arthur Butz still around? Have you got his E-mail address?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:41 PDT 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: So-called “Celebrated” Journalist
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> It really bugs your ass that, with the demise of the Soviet Union in 1989,
> all sorts of hitherto secret files and documents became available. Pretty
> hard to accept, right Al? Because a lot of those documents shoot the
> revisionist arguments down in flames. I can understand your annoyance.
Annoyance? Heck, hasn’t it occurred to you that the more documents they “find”
the friendlier the West gets?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:42 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another question Baron won’t answer
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> >How convenient.
> I am afraid I don’t understand what you are trying to insinuate here.
> Please be more specific. What is convenient? Why was it convenient?
> For whom was it convenient?
In reply to that I’ll post a chapter from my book. Footnotes are extra:
New Lies From Old
The collapse of the Soviet Union has opened up Russian archives
for the first time to Western researchers in significant numbers.
Conveniently, documents which $prove$ the gas chambers existed,
are being unearthed, among other things. Let us examine briefly
one such Soviet document, but this one was not $discovered$ in
the era of Gorbachev and Yeltzin, rather it was published in
London in 1942. By HMSO no less! $The Molotov Notes On German
Atrocities$ were issued on behalf of the Embassy of the USSR in
London. (1)
Here are selected extracts from the first two, (concerning
“ordinary” war time atrocities):
Page 11: “In the village of Voskresenskoye, Dubinin district, the
Hitlerites used a 4-year-old boy as a target and shot at him from
machine-guns.” Sure they did.
“In the Zlobino rural Soviet, in the Orel region, the Fascists
killed the 2-year-old child of Kratova, a collective-farmer,
because its crying disturbed their sleep.” Lies, pure and simple.
In Semyonovka, German soldiers were said to have raped the 25
year old pregnant wife of a Red Army man. She was in the last
stage of pregnancy. Afterwards they cut her throat, stabbed her
in both breasts and drilled holes through her breasts. (The rape
is plausible or even likely, but drilling holes through her
breasts?)
Page 12: in the same place they shot a 13 year old boy and
carved a five-pointed star on his head. (It is certainly not
impossible that the Nazis killed thirteen year old boys, and
younger. But so did the Americans in Vietnam. And they were the
good guys, remember?)
Page 12: in Basmanovo, Glinka, they shot over 200 schoolchil-
dren. (Where is the proof?)
Page 17: “Red Army prisoners are tortured with red-hot irons,
their eyes are poked out, their legs, hands, ears and noses cut
off. Their stomachs are ripped open. They are tied to tanks and
crushed to pieces.”
And so on. This is pure atrocity propaganda. What is one to
make of this? How is one to analyse it? How much if any of it is
true? And this nonsense was published in London, don’t forget, on
behalf of the perpetrators of Katyn and a thousand other undispu-
ted mass murders, most of them against their own people. Now,
today, we are being told that the archives which are being opened
to us contain amazing new revelations about the true nature and
extent of the Final Solution. But why should we believe any of
it?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> As a response to your vicious hatred I sent a check to the ADL today with
a > note that it was in response to your hatred.
If you give me the address of the > Jewish Board of Deputies,
they will get one as well.
Woburn House,
Upper Woburn Place,
London WC1.
Address your letter to Mike Whine of the “Defence Committee” and ask him
the following questions:
1) Why does his organisation continue to smear me as an anti-Semite and to
support a man whom I have exposed many times in print as a notorious liar,
when I have even exposed the lies he has told Mike Whine, and the rest of
the Board?
2) Why has his organisation repeatedly suppressed the evidence I submitted to
them about David Irving, and smeared me instead?
3) Why has his organisation repeatedly covered up for David Irving?
4) Was it really a coincidence that as soon as he set up his new “defence”
organisation, two Jewish cemeteries were vandalised in Hull and East London
in what were obviously co-ordinated attacks?
5) Did he buy the spray paint cans himself?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:44 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> :>1) the persistent misrepresentation of delousing chambers at Dachau as
> :>gas chambers.
> There were gas chambers in Dachau. Do you deny this? People were gassed in
> Dachau. Do you deny this? What is your proof?
The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust says there were no such gassings. Take it up
with Israel Gutman.
> :>2) fabricated and miscaptioned photographs
> Which according to Dr. Keren, who has Ph.D in this kind of analysis, are not
> doctored and miscaptioned. The only exception being the “faces on the women”
> photograph. Do you claim that the photographs taken by the Nazis themselves
> were “doctored”? Why would they doctor their own photographs?
We don’t know who took a lot of these photographs. Many are wilfully
miscaptioned.
> :>3) the fact that so many prominent Jews survived Auschwitz and other camps,
> :>even though some had been interned for years.
> :>4) the admission of “best witness” Vrba that he lied when he claimed he had
> :>seen gassings.
> Vrba made mistakes.
Sure he did. He got caught lying and admitted it.
> :>5) the ludicrous and often blatantly fake memoirs of Jews, eg Hart, Vrba,
> :>Mueller, Wiesel, and other nonsense.
> Because you say so? In what way are they ludicrous and blatently fake?
Ask Mike Stein. I think he believes Hart saw SS man Wagner murder that baby.
> :>6) the redesignation of the term “final solution” which originally meant
> :>evacuation to extermination
> :>8) I have documented here Jews who have claimed reparations for murders
> :>that never happened – the Philip Auerbach case; there were cases reported
> :>in the “Jewish Chronicle” in 1969.
> I know nothing of this.
Then read my book. Or the Jewish Chronicle.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:44 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> Mr. Baron, every decent person who reads your posts loathes you
> absolutely.
You’d be surprised at some of the fan mail I get in private postings,
including from at least one Jew.
> Another thing: you admit there implicitly that anti-semitism is not a
> virtue.
Anti-Semitism is no more virtuous than any other form of group hatred. It
is a pity that so many people, especially Jews, who accuse me of hate,
fail to recognise their own.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: TORTURE USED BY “AMERICAN” INTEROGATORS
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
It is indicative of the overall justice
> of the various war crimes trials that the Americans allowed some
> criminals to escape punishment because their confessions might have
> been tainted.
If one of your hysterical female students accused you of rape and you
were held incommunicado for a week before signing a “voluntary” confession
after falling down the stairs in the police station, you might change your
mind about “tainted” evidence.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:46 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
I think, therefore I am.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:47 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected]om “JWCCTI1” writes:
> Baron, one thing which the fence-straddler does in reading this group (if
> there are any fence-straddlers among Holocaust revisionists and deniers!)
> is unconsciously test you every time he reads something of yours. By
> putting forth such an obviously faulty hypothesis as underworld
> gang-leader Capone’s victimization, you destroy what little credibility
> you had at the start with the straddler.
Please list all the crimes Al Capone was ever convicted of.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:04:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: REVISIONISM FOR NEWCOMERS (new)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ole Kreiberg” writes:
> I have found an article in an English pamphlet titled “Holocaust” News.
> Although I must strongly emphasize, that the content in this article does
> not necessarily reflect my own views, I think that it is a very good
> eye-opener for newcomers to revisionism. The pamphlet itself is more than
> 10 years old:
There were two issues of Holocaust News; it was put out by the British National
Party. It has an obvious political agenda but all the same it isn’t bad.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 17 12:34:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> Al, I never would have thought that you were so naive. The more
> perjurers, the greater likelihood that they will be exposed. Any number
> of perjurers above 5 are almost certain to become exposed in any competent
> court.
Then how could the IRA exist for decades? OMERTA – fear and silence.
How many people have lied about the IRA? The simple fact is that the British
government have been fighting this organisation for decades and they couldn’t,
or didn’t have the will to defeat them. So they have now allowed them to bomb
their way to the negotiating table.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 07:46:10 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: THE “HOLOCAUST” NEVER HAPPENED!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> Posted to alt.revisionism, soc.culture.german, and soc.culture.jewish.
> E-mailed to myself, Imthorn JA, Bradley Smith, and Arthur Butz.
Is Arthur Butz still around? Have you got his E-mail address?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:18:50 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> 1) Statistics are often derived from faulty procedures. Stephen Jay Gould
> gives a good example of how this influenced racial stereotypes: A famous
> study of racial patterns in cranial size resulted in statistics that
> showed northern europeans to have far bigger brains than southern
> europeans, africans, asians, or north americans. However, as Gould
> shows, the researchers used a different measuring system for
> northern europeans — a discrepancy that made the differences appear
> larger than they really were.
Gould’s research is flawed, whites do have bigger brains. I’m sure Dan Keren
has a very big brain, but it’s not what you have in the cranium, it’s what you
do with it.
“Genius is no safeguard against the miseries of life.” – Napoleon
How’s college, by the way?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:18:51 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected] wrote:
> # Yet another out of context quote Dan. Read the whole thing.
> Ok, I read it again:
> Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals –
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
> —————————————————————
> Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers
> in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into
> a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth,
> and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in
> Europe!
> <end quote>
the quote actually continues:
For the non-Jewish peoples are no longer without the weapon of propaganda. Both
National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy have the equipment necessary to
enlighten the world about the nature of a problem that many nations
instinctively recognise, though they may lack a scientific view of it.
“For the time being the Jews may carry on their agitations in certain states
under the cover of the press, cinema, radio, theatre, literature, etc.,
which are in their hands. But if the Jewish nation should once again succeed
in goading millions of people from other nations into a totally senseless
war, to serve only Jewish interests, the efficacy of the kind of enlightenment
that in just a few years utterly defeated the Jews in Germany will become
manifest.”
End quote
Now tell me he invented the Big Lie, Dan
You also got the date wrong.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:18:52 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Al Baron & David Hume (was Re: Free Speech)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> -Danny Keren.
The scenario is preposterous. Have you actually studied some of these
testimonies by the way? They are a mass of contradictions and nonsense.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:18:53 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Richard Schultz” writes:
> “Exaggerated”? By whom? If you mean that the numbers therein were
> exaggerated by the Nazis, then that means that you accept that the
> documents were indeed written by the Nazis involved, and that the
> activities described therein in detail, namely, the mass murder of
> large numbers of innocent people, happened.
> This is not a difficult question; it just requires a “yes” or “no.”
> Do you believe that the Einsatzgruppen reports were authentic, that is
> documents actually written by members of the Einsatzgruppen in the
> course of their duties?
Have you let off beating your wife? Answer yes or no.
A while ago I was arguing with somebody who said the police should be paid
by results. Can you imagine what the crime figures would be a) if they were
paid for the convictions they secured? b) for keeping the country crime free?
In the first scenario, people would be fitted up left, right and centre and
arrested for jay walking. In the second, only murders would be recorded.
Try applying that logic to the Einsatzgruppen reports. As I haven’t made
a study of this subject that is about all I have to offer, but however dirty
this sort of business is, including atrocities against civilians, it is not
part of a genocide campaign. No more so that the Yanks in Vietnam.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:18:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Auschwitz-Birkenau didn’t have 52 cremation furnaces for nothing,
> after all; enough cremation power to burn its population in 3 months
> or so.
> Why did all these people die, if the Nazis took such good care of
> them? Can Baron explain this?
I’ve been rereading Staeglich and I am by no means convinced that there were
52 crematoria. In any case your figures are way out. There are 225 crematoria
in Britain – I don’t know how many retorts – but about 400,000 people are
cremated a year. I think you’d still be a long way off.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:18:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: What is “anti-semitism”?
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In article <[email protected]e.edu.au> [email protected] “ibokor” writes:
> Steven Malcolm Anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Exactly what is “anti-semitism”?
> “Anti-Semitism Theory, action or practice directed against the Jews”
A very poor definition. All the Jews? Does that include the PLO, Hamas,
Christian missionaries?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 18 11:24:10 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> Al, I never would have thought that you were so naive. The more
> perjurers, the greater likelihood that they will be exposed. Any number
> of perjurers above 5 are almost certain to become exposed in any competent
> court.
Then how could the IRA exist for decades? OMERTA – fear and silence.
How many people have lied about the IRA? The simple fact is that the British
government have been fighting this organisation for decades and they couldn’t,
or didn’t have the will to defeat them. So they have now allowed them to bomb
their way to the negotiating table.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 13:44:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: THE “HOLOCAUST” NEVER HAPPENED!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> >Is Arthur Butz still around? Have you got his E-mail address?
> Yes, he is still around. I have his e-mail address, but I do not
> give it out because Butz does not want to be bombarded with
> pro- and anti-Revisionist e-mail. He is today concentrating
> on being an engineering profrssor.
Then I’ll look him up in The World Of Learning.
>
> Do you happen to know, Al, why Butz all of a sudden n 1983 stopped actively
> promoting his book, _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_ and all of
> a sudden stopped all involvement with IHR other than to allow his
> name to remain of the list of IHR Editorial Advisory Board?
No.
> he DOES know how to properly give a lecture)
> and he said some things that Willis Carto would be very displeased
> with (such as saying some good things about Jean-Claude Pressac).
So what? Revisionism is about knowledge, not dogma.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 13:44:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> That is not the point in question, finding out the true facts of the case.
> The point is that it is virtually impossible for so many false witnesses
> to give consistent testimony.
That’s the point, the testimony is not consistent. Certainly it is no more
consistent than alien abduction testimony.
> And, btw, what were the English doing in Ireland, anyway?
That shows just how ignorant you are.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 13:44:33 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> In the United States we call this “libel.”
Laird Wilcox calls it CRYING WOLF. Why not read his book?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 13:44:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I do not wish to retail vicious insinuations: I have been informed
> that Mr. Baron withdrew all of his libel suits except one against
> Searchlight magazine which is now in discovery.
> >:>Who was ultimately held responsible for the BoD’s costs?
> I have been given to understand that a countersuit for costs by the
> Board of Deputies of British Jews resulted in the stay and seizure of
> proceeds owing to Mr. Baron from his publisher.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, John. For one thing I didn’t actually
sue the Board of Deputies. For legal reasons I can’t say anything about the
on-going legal actions at the moment. When they are finished though, which may
be sooner than you think, I will shout it from the rooftops.
Do you subscribe to Searchlight, by the way?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 13:44:35 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Reparations have only been paid to survivors for stolen property.
> Do you deny this?
Then who did Auerbach and the others rip off, and what was the money for?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 13:44:36 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> (Order today. All customers will receive free, unsolicited email
> by the gigabite.)
Poor Josh, what are they teaching you?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 21 12:54:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> It would be churlish of me to discuss your legal actions in public if
> you are not also free to do so. I won’t bring up the action against
> Searchlight until I receive word that it is also concluded.
Thank you.
> >Do you subscribe to Searchlight, by the way?
> No.
That answer has just raised you in my estimation.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 21 12:54:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: WHO FOUND ANNE FRANK ‘S DIARY?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Anne Frank was arrested on August 4, 1944. If she was sufficiently
> able-bodied it is quite plausible that she would put to work. If she
> survived two months in Auschwitz she would have seen the end of the
> gassings in November 1944. If she was still able-bodied by then, it is
> not unreasonable to suppose that she would be transferred to Belsen.
I am unable to confirm this but somebody told me recently that the real
reason the Franks were in hiding was because the elder daughter had been
called up for forced labour. If this is true then it kind of takes the shine
off this heroic story, don’t you think?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 21 12:54:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Piss or get off the pot, Lyin’ Al. Do you have a single shred of evidence
> to
> back up your specific allegation? Or was it another of your provable lies
> about
> Jewish organizations?
I didn’t make a specific allegation about any Jewish organisation, what I
made was a sarcastic remark. If though you want to read detailed and quite
specific allegations of how a Jewish-controlled organisation has openly and
repeatedly incited racial violence you should read
LIARS OUGHT TO HAVE GOOD MEMORIES: THE TRUE, UNSANITISED STORY OF “SEARCHLIGHT”
MOLE RAY HILL with a Critique of The Other Face Of Terror.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 21 12:54:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> You bring out the evidence that proves that those 15 or 20 people
> gave perjured testimony, of course.
> I mean, if you know it’s perjured, you _must_ have some evidence which
> led you to that knowledge, right?
> I said, right?
If I recall I was talking about the Church of Mormon and the like, here
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 21 12:54:34 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: ‘The Selection Had Been Ordered By Berlin’
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[email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> -Danny Keren.
A question for you Dan. Where were the selections in Belsen sent?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Sep 22 12:54:52 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> > “In the $gas chamber$, a Polish girl delivered an $impassioned speech$,
> > exhorting the $assembled Jews$ to avenge the Poles. Profoundly moved, the
> > Poles knelt and sang the Polish national anthem, in their last moments full
> > of hope for the future of their nation. With that, everyone…burst into
> > the $Internationale$, and died $amidst song in the ecstasy of dreams of
> > universal brotherhood and a better tomorrow$.”
> > What fraud?
> You see, Mr. Baron, this is the sort of thing that contributes to your
> reputation as a something less than honest debater: when asked to provide
> proof that the documented history of the Nazi extermination program is a
> fraud or a forgery, you all-too-frequently reply with a single example of
> a testimony that may contain inconsistencies or inaccuracies, but you
> wholly ignore the reams and reams of testimony and documents which
> contain no such inconsistencies.
No Mike, you’re wrong. The point about that quote is that it is clearly
communist manufactured propaganda. I have given many other examples, you simply
shrug them all off as untypical. I have given Hart – fantasist; Vrba – admitted
liar; Burney – hearsay; Wiesel – wanker; and many others.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Sep 22 17:34:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN (sic)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> “All of us froze into one. Staring at each other,
> > > not speaking a word, we looked and wondered at those tall chimneys
> > > spewing a peculiar reddish flame. A smell none of us had ever
> > > experienced before hung in the air.” [1]
> Now Lyin’ Al explain how an impartial judge looked at it, looked at the
> evidence,
> looked at the allegations about and concluded that it was true. Or are you
> going
> to repeat Raven’s lie about the case?
There were flames issuing from these tall chimneys? Have you ever seen them?
Have you visited a crematorium? I did as part of the research for my book.
They give off a minuscule amount of smoke and no flames at all. And what
was the smell he claimed to have experienced?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Sep 22 17:34:36 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> So it is a fairly important question regarding his credibility: how
> much access to the Auschwitz facilities did Staeglich have?
Why don’t you read his book?
In 1967 Staeglich wrote a letter about his impressions, which was published
many years later. His book is not about his personal experiences but is a
thoroughly referenced academic work written from the perspective of a jurist.
It will stand the test of time, unlike most of the trash spewed out by the
exterminationist lobby.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Sep 22 17:34:36 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: THE “HOLOCAUST” NEVER HAPPENED!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> >A better source on Hitler’s sexual normality, or abnormality, is Werner
> >Maser. Basing himself on medical records and interviews with all of Hitler’s
> >top doctors, Maser concluded that Hitler most likely was sexually normal.
> >The one-ball theory is definitely rubbish; Maser has a medical report from
> >around 1942 (amongst many) where the doctor examined Hitler’s genitalia and
> >reported them as normal. See _Hitler: Legend, Myth & Reality_.
This is more Zionist-inspired porn and racial hatred. The Daily Express summed
Hitler up perfectly: “Politically, Hitler’s life is black with crime. But
the private life of Hitler is without reproach. Alone among his fellow
leaders his shield is pure.”
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Sep 22 17:34:37 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “~Bayajida” writes:
> :> The instability in many post-colonial nations is a result of
> :> the misrule of their former rulers, both colonial and home
> :> grown. The ruinous debt burden these countries currently
> :> struggle to overcome is a consequence of this misrule. It is
> :> not a matter of racial inability, it is the consequence of
> :> bad inheritance.
I see, it’s all the fault or racism. Why don’t you blame the Jews like any
reasonable person?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Sep 22 18:56:14 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Al Baron & David Hume (was Re: Free Speech)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> You *have* read Hume, haven’t you, Mr. Baron?
Of course I have, you pillock.
> I really am disappointed that you are not willing to discuss the work
> that you put forward so confidently as proof against the value of
> eyewitness testimony. My rereading of Hume so far seems to suggest that
> he would be quite satisfied by the empirical evidence in favor of the
> Holocaust.
I don’t think so. Not with the mass of contradictory testimonies. The point
is that however many obviously spurious testimonies I destroy you’ll simply
say “Yes, that one is dodgy but all the rest are genuine. The true believers
say exactly the same thing about spirit mediumship.
> > > Where did all those people GO, Mr. Baron?
> >
> > Who says they were there in the first place? How many names of missing
> > people have been collected?
> “What would become of history, had we not a dependence on the veracity of
> the historian according to the experience we have had of mankind?”
There you go, the veracity, AND the integrity of historians. I haven’t seen
much of that here.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 08:17:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Raskolnikov” writes:
> Well AL,
> Perhaps you could list those of us here in a.r
> who burn your books, deny your rights to free
> expression, etc.
> Perhaps you could tell us how we supress your
> ability to say what you want.
In the United States you have the 1st? amendendment. In the United States
we have a Zionist created race industry. It would be nice to interpret this
as anti-Semitic propaganda but unfortunately this is not the case. Organised
Jewry has been the prime mover in the destruction of free speech on race issues
in Britain.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 08:17:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Reparations racket
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Jewish Chronicle, October 28, 1994:
a further 30.5 billion DM (= 12.25 billion pounds) are expected to be paid
out to Jews and other minorities in “reparations” over the coming years, 40%
of it to Israel. Who was it said that this was compensation, and wasn’t he
being a little economical with the truth?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 08:17:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “ibokor” writes:
> That is the standard misqulte. The original is
> “Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.”
“[I]f a little knowledge is dangerous, where is the man who has so
much as to be out of danger?” – T. H. Huxley (1825-95) botanist, from
COLLECTED ESSAYS, Volume 3, ON ELEMENTARY INSTRUCTION IN PHYSIOLOGY, page 300,
published by Macmillan, London, (1893).
>From an essay written in 1877.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 15:31:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> You’re babbling again, Lyin’ Al. Or was Martin Luther King, Jr. just another
> Zionist
> stooge.
As I said, it would be nice to dismiss this allegation as anti-Semitic propaganda
but that is not the case. In Britain the race acts have been largely the work
of the Board of Deputies and their fellow travellers. The late Lord Fisher
had considerable input; others include Neville Nagler, who was head honcho
of the so-called Commission for Racial Equality and who has given “evidence”
to Home Affairs Committees on so-called racial attacks along with his
co-racialist that damned liar Mike Whine. Other major players include the
Jewish lawyer Geoffrey Bindman, whose firm has also drafted some of the
legislation. Bindman got into hot water with Organised Jewry last year when
he was sent to Israel by the Law Society and, instead of behaving like his
pals at Woburn House expected, he turned in a report comparing Israel with
South African Apartheid!
You will find also that in the United States Martin Luther King was only a
minor figure, he was heavily involved with communists and fellow travellers.
The NAACP and other “civil rights” organisations were also run largely with
Jewish money; I thought you would have known that; it was a big issue with
the Black Muslims at one time. The real primer mover behind the Brown v Topeka
desegregation decision was not the Brown in question but a totally unrelated
Brown, a Jewess named Esther Brown.
Like I said, it would be nice to dismiss this as the ravings of anti-Semites,
but that is unfortunately not the case.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 20:35:01 PDT 1995
Article: 8949 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Hitler annihilation quotes just for Al Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> How do you explain that one away, Al?
What’s to explain? How is that different from “We’ll fight them on the beaches?”
Or any other war-time rhetoric? Are you, in short, insisting that this amounts
to an order: get the gas out, lads?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 22:54:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN (sic)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
>There was indeed fire, and smoke, and acrid stench. > I was at both kinds of facilities for the same reason. Litigation over the
> Clean Air
> Act. That is, of course, one of the obvious reasons that modern crematories
> are
> operated in a different manner than Auschwitz. No-one at Auschwitz was about
> to complain about the smoke and fire and smell.
What you appear to be forgetting is that Auschwitz was a huge industrial
complex and, among other things, manufactured synthetic rubber. Which is where
the smell came from. The tales of fire and smoke from the crematoria are
fantasy. And this was all done in secret, remember?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 22:54:13 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A false Witness: Elie Wiesel
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> One may look at the book “Inside the Vicious Heart”, to see
> photographs of people burned alive by the Nazis in some camps.
Dan, this is not so much a distortion as an outright lie as I pointed out
before. The photographs here were not of people systematically exterminated
they were of a group of people who had been trapped in a barn and burnt to
death in an ordinary war time atrocity.
By a great irony I’ve just been reading a book published by the US military
in 1945, and it shows victims of terror bombing in Germany in pictures
even more grotesque than the ones you mention.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 23 22:54:14 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: WHAAAAT???? COLUMBUS A JEW???
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ondine Brooks” writes:
> Cecelia Clancy ([email protected]) writes (see THE HOLOHOAX: DID IT HAPPEN?
> ) that “Actually, some scholars believe Christopher Columbus might have
> been Jewish on his mother’s side and that he might have been a Marrano
> (somebody back then in Spain posing as a Catholic, but really practicing
> Judaism in secret.”
> Oh please, pretty please… can’t we Christians keep Columbus as
> Christian? In the name of the truth, does he HAVE to be a Jew???
Yes, there was something in the Jewish Chronicle about this a while back.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 07:17:17 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> The Nazi version of enlightenment (Aufklaerung) was epitomised by the burning
> of the books, the Nuremberg Laws, the denial of basic rights to Jewish
> citizens, and so on. First, you defeat them; then you exterminate them.
Who’s burning books now? Who is denying free speech and free association now?
Who equates Revisionism with fascism and says “Smash the fascists. By whatever
means necessary.” ?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 08:31:28 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: c3w Nurenberg History of the Jewish Holocaust (1939-1945)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Maczuga Kaus – assimilated cat3wog ” writes:
> In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark
> Van Alstine) writes:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >> Why don’t you kiss my ass?
The only reason I don’t, Sara, is because I’m 5,000 miles away.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 08:31:29 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Staeglich was a Nazi through and through and his book (book, Al?) was exactly
> what one would expect from such a person.
Fine. But you must apply the same standard to anti-Nazis, which includes most
Jews.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 08:31:30 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: WHO FOUND ANNE FRANK ‘S DIARY?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> We certainly do not wish to give you any money to confirm that your books
> do exist. Just cite the ISBN numbers. That way we can find out ourselves.
At least 3 have been posted here; I have published 3 books and a number of
pamphlets. Contact Jamie McCarthy for details.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 08:31:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, Mr. Baron, you’re wrong. You have named individuals and made
> assertions about them, but you have never presented any case, much
> less a convincing case, for disbelieving them. You have also said that
> you can present no evidence for your speculations because Organized
> Jewry has conspired to keep it from us.
It was not me who made the assertions, it was Kitty Hart who asserted that
she saw SS man Wagner throw a baby into an oven, not me. She produced not a
shred of evidence for the obvious reason that this was a fantasy concocted by
a 12 year old girl who was interned at Auschwitz in what for her were obviously
traumatic times. However much one may condemn the Nazi persecution of the Jews
– and I do – one should not excuse this sort of nonsense.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 08:31:32 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> Mr. Baron again evades what is being asked of him, namely to give
> further details about his hero’s arguments. Until such time, his
> repeated assurances as to the value of Staeglich’s work are empty
> and meaningless.
> It is not, as Mr. Baron would have it, a question of “alleged
> anti-Semitic remarks”, it is a question of Mr. Baron’s
> intellectual honesty. No more, no less.
> The way in which he has repeatedly evaded this and similar
> challenges, of which several originate with Mr. Baron himself, is
> telling.
Why don’t you do what I did and read the book? I’m going to send a few
pages to Jeff Roberts for him to scan in but it’ll take sometime.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 11:31:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Baron & Himmlers Speech at Poznan
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “[email protected]” writes:
> A while ago Baron (yes,you) stated that “Documents” had been tampered
> with.
> I amongst others questioned Baron about the recordings.
> No answer so far……………
> Mr. Baron seems to subscribe to the old Revisionazi method here.
> Don’t answer,bring in other threads and hope that people forget.
> Unfortunately in this day and age it doesn’t work.
> Harddisk space is so inexpensive…………..
> Still waiting
> Peter
I think there was something posted here about a fund to clear this up.
Don’t expect me to contribute. From what I have read, Himmler’s speeches
were improvised.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Sep 24 11:31:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is(Are) There a Co-Author(s) Of _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_?
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> The first is that if you look
> at the beginning of _Hoax_, Butz explicitly states that something to the
> effect that “several authors have contributed to this work, but I have
> chosen to reserve for myself the consequences of whatever controversy
> should result from this work.”
He doesn’t say any such thing; he says that the Stafff of the Imperial War
Museum etc “have contributed more than routine services without, of course,
being aware of the exact nature of the research involved.”
I have _Hoax_ at home. I’ll post
> Butz’s exact wording tomorrow. Butz greatly underestimated the amount
> of flak he would get.
I find that hard to believe.
> You might ridicule this, Al, but I will say no more than this publicly
> at this time.
No Cecelia, I’m not going to ridicule you, unlike Dan Keren I believe people
can hold fallacious opinions without being evil, mad or just plain dishonest.
You are simply wrong.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Insulting the dead
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$Homosexual persecution under the Nazis detailed: Gay groups stage
landmark London conference$, by Susannah Cusworth, published in
the $Jewish Chronicle$, September 15, 1995, page 13.
The [get this] World Congress of Gay and Lesbian Jewish Organisa-
tions said to have arranged a 2 day conference. “the homosexual
community should become involved in Holocaust education”. [sic]
David Cesarani was present; that’s his quote. The International Association
of Lesbian and Gay Children of Holocaust Survivors has 65 members.
What a racket. Tell me, Harry Katz, as a pious Jew, how do you feel about
having your religion associated with this sort of poison?
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Protocols
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[email protected] “Marshall S. Dubin” writes:
> Is this book still around? I would be interested in reading it to
> see exactly what lies were told in it. No, I am NOT a revisionist,
> indeed much of my family was killed in concentration camps. However
> as a student of anti-semitism and the holocaust, I feel almost compelled
> to read all the literature (good and bad) that I can find.
I have published both a comprehensive analysis of “The Protocols” and a
33 page bibliography.
> Also, I am looking to find a book by a concentration camp inmate who
> worked with Mengele called Nickolus Nyszli (spelling probably incorrect).
Nyiszli probably didn’t exist, although Pressac says he did. He appears to
have written at least one letter from beyond the grave. His book was republished
in paperback c1973.
There are a couple of other Auschwitz doctors who have written ludicrous
autobiographies: Gisella Perl and Ella Lingens-Reiner. It’s only when you
read crap like this that you realise why the people in this group
insist it is documents rather than eyewitness testimony
that proves there were gassings.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: A Question Of Priorities
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Apologies if I’ve posted this before, I’ve corrected a couple of typos.
I think it speaks volumes not only for the mentality of Zionists worldwide
(with the single exception of Jonathan Edelstein!) but of many of the
people in this newsgroup.
$PM blocks probe as more atrocities come to light$, published in
the $Jewish Chronicle$, August 25, 1945, page 2
reports among other things the murder of 49 Egyptian prisoners on
Sinai in 1956, an admission by a retired officer. No action to be
taken, atrocities said to have occurred on both sides. Rabin
rejected a call for an inquiry into the atrocities because “There
were aberrations on both sides…There is no purpose in raising
events of the past…Raising the issue embarrasses the Arab side
as well.”
$US neo-Nazi to be extradited to Germany$, by Regina Wosnitza,
published in the $Jewish Chronicle$, September 1, 1995, page 3
Gary (Gerhard) Lauck, currently held by Danish police, faces
extradition to Germany and a possible five year sentence for
distributing “illegal racist propaganda and Nazi symbols”. He is
said to have called Jews worms and rats.
Moral: it is far more terrible to insult Jews than to murder Arabs.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Libertarians Revise Colin Powell
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This is cross posted from Libernet Digest. No comments to me, please.
From: “Mark Robinowitz” <[email protected]>
Questions the Mass Media Won’t Ask Colin Powell
General Colin Powell is being promoted by the establishment media as a
“moderate” who would make a great “centrist” President, especially for
those tired of Demican and Republicrat business as usual. But while
Powell is not a fundamentalist theocrat like some Republicans, his
involvement in mass slaughter of civilians and secret arms shipments to
Iran should disqualify him for public office.
His Cover-up of the My Lai massacre————————————-
Powell’s career began as an Army Ranger (special forces) during the
Vietnam War. As Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations at a base
in Vietnam, he was ordered to investigate claims of Army massacres at My
Lai (where US forces murdered hundreds on March 16, 1968 _ Powell had no
involvement with that tragedy). Powell’s cosmetic “investigation” of
allegations by Tom Glen, who knew about the slaughter, claimed that his
charges were false since Glen’s superiors stated that he could not have
witnessed abuses of Vietnamese. It wasn’t until many months later that
another soldier, Ron Ridenhour, complained to his Congressman, that
serious inquiries into the My Lai massacre began within the Army, at
Washington headquarters. _ The New Republic, April 17, 1995
When My Lai became public knowledge, many officers responded by resigning
in protest or even joining peace demonstrations. Powell’s response was to
burrow further into the military establishment. He went to a higher post
in the Pentagon, then to Nixon’s Office of Management and Budget, where he
met Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, who each commanded the Pentagon during
the Reagan Administration. Powell kept silent for the rest of the war,
the Watergate scandal, and Nixon’s racist appeals for votes.
The Iran-Contra Scandal ————————————————–
Just before leaving office, President Bush pardoned Casper Weinberger,
preventing any prosecution for his involvement in the illegal arms for
hostages deals. This act was one of the best things for Powell’s future
political career, since he was deeply involved in the scandal. There will
never be a trial of his former boss, Defense Secretary Weinberger, where
he’d have to testify.
The US aided both Iran and Iraq during their 8 year long war, in which one
million people died. No one knows how many thousands were killed with the
2,000+ missiles Powell helped send to Iran.
“Weinberger testified before the [Senate Select] Committee [on
Intelligence] that later that day he received a call from Poindexter
informing him of the President’s action [to send weapons to Iran].
Weinberger … instructed military aide, Major General Colin Powell, to
arrange the transfer of the weapons … to the CIA, and that the matter
was to be closely held at the direction of thePresident.
“General Powell had had previous discussions with North about the program
and about Israel’s problems in getting replacement TOW’s [missiles]. ….
According to [Assistant DOD Secretary] Armitage and a CIA official, Powell
worked with Major General Vincent Russo, of the Defense Logistics Agency
to provide the material securely and without any loss of funds for the
Army.” _ The National Security Archive, “The Chronology: The Documented
Day-by-Day Account of the Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the
Contras,” Warner Books, 1987, p. 262
“Weinberger reluctantly [ha!] ordered his military aide, Major General
Colin L. Powell, to arrange the sale of TOW’s for North’s new deal.” _
Jane Mayer and Doyle McManus, “Landslide: The Unmaking of the President
1984-1988,” p. 197
After Powell became Reagan’s National Security Advisor, he threatened to
cut off US aid to any Central American country that refused to support the
US-backed Contra war against Nicaragua.
How does Powell’s expertise in covering up weapons shipments to Iran
qualify him to lead a democracy?
Panama: the News Not Fit to Print ————————————-
In December 1989, while Powell was Joint Chiefs of Staff _ the top
military leader for all US forces _ George Bush invaded Panama in an
attack condemned by almost every other country on Earth. Portrayed as a
“surgical strike” on Manuel Noriega, it did virtually nothing to stem the
flow of drugs into the US. (Noriega’s replacements installed by the US
Southern Command were also linked to the profitable drug trade.) An
investigation by Codehuca (Central American Human Rights Commission)
concluded:
* “The U.S. Army used highly sophisticated weapons_some for the first
time in combat–against unarmed civilian populations.
* “The human costs of the invasion are substantially higher than the
official figures. Conservative estimates indicate that civilian
fatali-ties were at least 10 times greater than the U.S. figure of 220.
* “The actual death toll has been obscured through U.S. military
practices including: 1) Incineration of corpses prior to identification;
2) Burial of remains in common graves prior to identification; and 3) U.S.
military control of administrative offices of hospitals and morgues,
permitting the removal of all registries to U.S. military bases.
* “A thorough, well-planned propaganda campaign has been implemented by
U.S. authorities to … deny the brutality and extensive human and
material costs of the invasion.”
Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark reported a “conspiracy of silence”
regarding civilian dead and former U.S. Ambassador to Panama Ambler Moss
stated that his “gut instinct is that there is an awful lot of parties
around there that have an interest in covering up numbers” (New York
Times, 1/10/90). Catholic priest Diego Caffley, working in Panama
reported that the invasion killed 3,000 people and that the main obstacle
to learning how many people were killed was the US Army Southern Command
(La Republica, Costa Rica, 11/01/90). After visiting Panama, Clark
estimated that 4,000 died.
Many of the victims lived in the El Chorrillos slum next to Panamanian
military headquarters. This neighborhood was leveled by US bombs, and the
number of dead remains unknown. Most were of African descent and among
the poorest in Panamanian society. The Black, mestizo, and Indian
populations suffered most of the destruction and misery wreaked by U.S.
forces. Establishment media sources generally cited only the mostly white,
elite elements tied to Panamanian banks. Panamanians opposing the
invasion, even those also opposed to Noriega, were ignored by US
journalists.
The Panama invasion, which occurred just weeks after the fall of the
Berlin Wall, helped prevent efforts to cut the military budget.
“it’s really clear … that the military action in Panama violates
inter-national law, designed to maintain peace, and the laws of the [US]
which are designed to keep the [US] out of war and from committing
unlawful military aggressions.” _ Ramsey Clark, 12/27/ 1989
How does General Powell’s involvement in the illegal invasion of Panama
and the massacre of civilians qualify him to work for world peace?
The Gulf War ———————————————————–
“Every Black soldier ought to say, `I am not going to fight. This is not
my war.'” _ Martin Luther King, III, January 18, 1991
Powell, as Joint Chiefs of Staff, presided over the bloody Persian Gulf
war. John Lehman, Reagan’s first Navy Secretary, reportedly confided in
1991 at a gathering at the “Bohemian Grove” (an all-male retreat for
corporate and political leaders in northern California) that 200,000
people were killed in the Gulf War.
US forces bulldozed Iraqi draftees into mass graves, bombed retreating
forces on the “Highway of Death,” set oil refineries on fire (not all oil
spills were caused by Saddam Hussein), dropped uranium tipped shells
across the desert (over 40 tons of radioactive uranium was scattered), and
threatened to use nuclear weapons before the conflict started. But since
strict Pentagon censorship prohibited virtually any photographic
documentation of the slaughter, Americans who only watched TV never
learned what happened in the desert.
Powell claims that he never received an illegal order during his military
career, but orders to bomb civilians in Iraq and Panama (among many other
locations) certainly could be classified as war crimes, which Powell
should have refused to carry out under both the Uniform Code of Military
Justice (which mandates that soldiers refuse illegal orders) and the
Nuremberg Principles. Instead, Powell’s only documented opposition to any
policy was about Clinton’s efforts to end anti-gay witchhunts in the
military _ Powell urged military men to resign if they also opposed
Clinton’s policies.
Powell for President? ————————————————
Why is the mass media virtually unable to look at Powell’s inglorious
past? Arms to Iran, mass graves in Panama and the Kuwaiti “highway of
death” are more important than his ostensible beliefs that his handlers
devised for public consumption.
Powell is an opportunist interested in POWER, not reactionary ideology.
He partially resembles Chief Buthelezi of South Africa, who worked
secretly on behalf of the Apartheid regime. Buthelezi didn’t work for
apartheid for ideological reasons, but because he wanted to increase his
power base and the oppressors were willing to help him do it. Likewise,
Powell has furthered his own career through involvement in bloody wars,
not out of reactionary ideology but rather a desire to help perpetuate
U.S. military power and dominance over the planet.
Every oppressed group throughout history has had members willing to aid
the oppressors to further their own positions, either out of misguided
self-interest or by identifying with the oppressors. Even the Nazi
ghettos in Poland had Jews willing to help the Germans round up their
victims.
Powell claims that he supported (and benefitted from) the civil rights
movement, but Martin Luther King and other leaders worked from a
non-violent perspective, and strongly condemned the Vietnam War. King, if
he had not been killed, would certainly protest Powell’s actions in
Central America and the Middle East.
It is also curious how Powell’s media blitz has been much more successful
than the other African-American Presidential candidate: Republican Alan
Keyes of Maryland. Keyes, unlike Powell, is a fundamentalist Christian
ideologue who worked for UN Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick at the United
Nations in the early 1980’s, where he helped politically support South
Africa. However, Powell’s hands are far bloodier than Keyes’s.
When the Air Force allowed women to become “missileers” (who are ready to
launch nuclear armageddon 24 hours a day), this decision was not an
advancement for feminism and gender equality. Likewise, Powell’s
involvement in illegal invasions and mass murder, not to mention his
control of the nuclear doomsday machine, merely proves that the military
is not strictly racist_they’re willing to allow a black face as the public
manifestation as long as that face conforms to the program.
Affirmative action is not about being the first person of non-European
descent to plot the murder of thousands of non-whites from within the
bowels of the Pentagon. Powell’s rise to the top of the Pentagon did not
advance the cause of racial equality_just his own personal lust for power.
Opposition to General Powell is not based on the fact of military service,
since there is a big difference between people who join the military due
to the “economic draft” and a General who ordered the massacre of
defenseless civilians in Panama City’s slums and their burial in secret
mass graves.
Powell is well qualified to perpetuate obscene levels of military spending
and to plan invasions of virtually unarmed countries like Panama and cover
up the resulting civilian carnage. casualties. He’s also expert at
covering up weapons sales to ultra-dictatorships like Iran. But it’s
doubtful that he’s thought much about environmental sustainability,
improving education to teach critical thinking, reducing extreme
inequality and reviving a sense of community (ie. it’s different than pure
jingoist nationalism) in this country.
Powell’s career is not that of a great leader in fights for social
equality, justice, human rights, sustainable economy, etc. When Senator
Bradley (D-NJ) announced his retirement this summer, he quoted the
playright Bertold Brecht, who said “Unhappy is the land that needs a
hero.”
While Powell’s involvement in Iran-Contra, the illegal Panama massacre and
last, but not least, the Gulf War, qualifies him to run the world’s
largest military industrial complex, it does not qualify him to supervise
the transition to a better, more equitable, sustainable society not
predicated on mass murder and limitless resource exploitation. Voting for
Powell would be no different than voting for Lockheed or General Dynamics
for President.
Colin Powell should spend his days planting trees in Haiti or clearing
mines in Angola, undoing the tremendous damage he’s helped create, not
trying to create a second Republican party. The world needs a remote
island_preferably Bikini Atoll, ravaged by US nuclear tests_where war
criminals from around the world could spend the rest of their days and not
hurt anyone else again. Colin Powell could join Gen. Schwartzkopf, George
Bush, Saddam Hussein, Saudi King Fah’d, Yitzhak Shamir, the Argentine
Generals, Idi Amin, the Rwandan army, Pol Pot, Suharto (dictator of
Indonesia), China’s Li Peng, Russia’s Boris Yeltsin, nuclear warmonger
Edward Teller, ad nauseam.
We need more non-violent soldiers such as those on the international
flotilla of politicians and grass roots activists who sailed to Tahiti and
Muroroa atoll this summer to block French nuclear tests. It takes more
courage to be a non-violent activist like the Greenpeace campaigners in
the Pacific, the Dalai Lama, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, or the “White
Rose” resistance group in Nazi Germany, than to order mass slaughters
thousands of miles away.
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of
this combination endanger our liberties or democratic process.” – Dwight
D. Eisenhower’s farewell speech, January 17, 1961
Eisenhower also remarked that every dollar spent on weapons was a theft
>from the poor, who would suffer greatly as a result of military spending.
By that criteria, Colin Powell makes Michael Milken seem honest in
spending other peoples’ money. In 1981, the federal deficit was about $1
trillion, now it’s about $5 trillion. Doubling of the military budget
during the Reagan era wasted nearly $5 trillion in military spending to
date. Budget Director David Stockman admitted after leaving the White
House that the deficit was intentionally raised to force desired social
spending cuts.
Haven’t we had enough presidents who get our country involved in secret,
bloody, disgusting wars?
Demand that the media report the truth!
ABC News (202) 897-7977
NBC News (202) 362-2009
CBS News (202) 659-2589
Cable News Network (202) 898-7565
McNeil-Lehrer (703) 998-2870
National Public Radio (202) 414-3329
Washington Post (202) 334-6000
New York Times (202) 862-0340
“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military
defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.”
— “A Time to Break Silence,” Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, 1967
——————————
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> How do you know Nyiszli didn’t exist? Do you have some sort of
> evidence about who wrote the book which appears in his name? Or is
> this just another in the tedious series of unsubstantiated
> speculations that you trade in?
According to Pressac, he replied to a letter from Rassinier when he was dead.
I have tried to find some meaningful evidence that he did indeed exist but
could find none. I wrote to Yad Vashem, and they hadn’t heard of him either!
> >There are a couple of other Auschwitz doctors who have written ludicrous
> >autobiographies: Gisella Perl and Ella Lingens-Reiner. It’s only when you
> >read crap like this that you realise why the people in this group
> >insist it is documents rather than eyewitness testimony
> >that proves there were gassings.
> Absolutely every memoir cited by you is “crap,” and then only by bare
> assertion. Unless on the very rare occasion it agrees with your empty
> opinions.
This is Dr Perl: another “best witness”
“The children…did not go with their mothers into the gas-cham-
bers.” Instead they were burnt alive! Hundreds of thousands of
them.
Dr Perl also exhibits another trait typical of so many concen-
tration camp survivors, a pathological obsession with filth. On
page 33 she records: “There was, of course, no toilet paper in
the latrine and we had no way of obtaining paper except when
somebody stole some from the store-rooms around the crematories.
We got into the habit of tearing tiny squares of material off our
shirts, drying our eyes with them at first, then using them to
clean our rectum [sic]. However careful we were, the shirts got
shorter and shorter until there was nothing left but the shoulder
straps and a narrow strip around our chests.”
On pages 33-4, this resulted in a shirt inspection; naked
whippings and “selection”, for “to die in the flames” was the
punishment for damaging camp property.
Also on page 34 she records that after rising at 4am the in-
mates stood from four to six hours waiting for roll call until
“our torturers arrived, fresh, gay and ready for new feats of
torture.” By gay, one presumes she means happy rather than homo-
sexual, as any $gay$ SS officers would have been purged
along with Ernst Roehm years before, and any $gay$ civil-
ians would have been sent to the camps as inmates rather than as
staff. Waiting from four to six hours in a parade every day
wouldn’t have left much time for Dr Perl to carry out her work as
right hand woman to the Angel of Death, or for performing abor-
tions, (on pages 61-5 she meets the Bitch of Belsen, Irma Greze
[sic] and performs one on her). While, fainting or crying out
when whipped or failing to turn up for roll call were all pu-
nished by being “thrown into the flames, alive.”
> Who insists that it’s EITHER documents OR testimonies except you?
> Certainly not me. The documents corroborate the testimonies, and both
> are important. But as you deal with neither in any substantial or
> constructive way, your opinions tend to be dismissed.
The testimony above is important? And it is corroborated by documents?
If you believe that John, you should see a psychiatrist.
By the way, I do not reject ALL testimonies out of hand; Margarete Buber’s
book has the ring of truth, so does Kitty Hart’s when you take out all the crap
about her witnessing a gassing. Gerda Klein’s book is not so incredible,
but if I recall she doesn’t claim to have witnessed any gassings. Vrba’s book
is a mixture of lies and fantasy. I’m reading a couple at the moment which
defy belief.-
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ulrich Roessler” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
I’ve just sent copies of Staeglich’s analyis to Jeff Roberts, so hopefully he’ll
scan them in within a week or so. We’ll discuss this further then.
Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> From what I’ve read
> about the book, for instance in Hermann Graml’s article “Alte und
> neue Apologeten Hitlers” (in Benz (ed): “Rechtsextremismus in
> Deutschland”), it would seem like a waste of time to bother with
> it.
Maybe you should read the truth the man tells rather than the lies
people tell about him.
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 19:28:00 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “bruce forest” writes:
> Oh that’s a neat trick. There are 60 million people in Great Britain. Less
> than 300k are Jewish. Are you saying we are so influential as to control
> the Christian hordes like so many hedgehogs? Wow, that’s power. No wonder
> you’re worried.
I am saying that the so-called race industry, certainly the legislation side
of it, has been primarily the work of Organised Jewry. This is no big secret,
and indeed the Jewish Chronicle has at times boasted about it. I don’t know
that “we” in this case includes you. Whatever certain idiots in this newsgroup
assert, I have never tarred all Jews with the same brush. Certainly not Michael
Howard, who has done far more than any goy Home Secretary to keep these monsters
off our backs.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 19:28:01 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
>Is it perhaps responsible for
> Britain letting in the lowest number of refugees in Europe?
The word “refugees” is a total misnomer in 99.9% of cases. A while ago
a Channel 4 TV programme revealed that some of these “refugees” were wanted
for war crimes in Bangladesh in the 1970s.
> Or maybe you’re letting your demented paranoia take over again.
Or maybe you should browse through a few back issues of “Patterns of Prejudice”
you patronising bastard.
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 19:28:02 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: WHO FOUND ANNE FRANK ‘S DIARY?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Thanks, Al; I remember the exchange quite well. You named eight banks–
> seven of the “Jewish controlled”–and claimed that these eight banks
> owned the Federal Reserve System. When I and several other folks explained
> to you how the Fed is actually structured, you shut up right quick.
No, if you re-read the posting you’ll see I said that 7 of these 8 banks
have Jewish names. That is all. If you want further confirmation of this
you can consult 2 of my publications which were published long before I
came on the Internet, in particular GLOBAL DECEPTION.
Alternatively you can keep putting lies in my mouth in order to refute them
and prove to all your friends in the ADL what a wonderful – and totally spineless
– philo-Semitic creep you really are.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 19:28:03 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Funny, I think the obvious reason she had not a shred of evidence is
> that she was a prisoner. What, you think they’d give her a camera to
> record the event, then let her out to go to the corner drugstore to have
> the film developed, so that she could back up her claim about what she
> saw? Your expectation that she or any other prisoner could possibly offer
> physical evidence to corroborate _anything_ she saw happen at Auschwitz is
> simply amazing – a fantasy concocted by (how old are you, Al?) who hasn’t
> the slightest grasp of evidence and logic, or (I’m coming to believe)
> reality.
Mike, we have been over this before so you have no excuse for it. In her book
Hart claims she saw SS man Wagner pick up a baby that was sucking at its dead
mother’s breast and throw it into the oven. This is a total fantasy. Re-read
the text and do the basic anaylsis. Don’t defend such evil, wilful lies: the only
thing Kitty Hart has in common with you is the word Jew.
Incidentally, in the above passage you assert – correct me if I’m wrong –
that arch-liar Hart, and by implication most other survivors, have no real
evidence of Nazi genocide, and therefore we should take what they say on faith.
If this is the case then the oft’ repeated – and totally false – assertion in
this newsgroup that the Revisionists have no evidence, even if it were true,
would be irrelevant, for by your admission they have nothing to disprove.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 19:28:03 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> You have missed my point and, I think, deliberately so. Now you are
> asserting that Kitty Hart was nothing more than a traumatized little
> girl who could not have seen what she says she saw. But *how* do you
> know that she wasn’t a traumatized little girl who was traumatized by
> what she saw, a baby being burned alive? Have you read a
> psychologist’s report on her?
I’ve read her book. It’s lies.
> Was I away the day you condemned the Nazi persecution of the Jews? I
> seem to recall that you have argued that the anti-Jewish laws had
> little effect on Jews in Germany from 1933-1939.
I said that Jews were not murdered by the State; I have never condoned the
Nazi persecution of the Jews, but for me evil doesn’t begin and end with
the swastika.
>I recall too that you
> claimed to have some articles from the Jewish Chronicle showing how
> jolly it was for for the Jews. You never did share them with us.
Read my book or do what I did and read the Jewish Chronicle for the
entire Nazi era. No further comment.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 22:11:40 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> From what I’ve read
> about the book, for instance in Hermann Graml’s article “Alte und
> neue Apologeten Hitlers” (in Benz (ed): “Rechtsextremismus in
> Deutschland”), it would seem like a waste of time to bother with
> it.
Maybe you should read the truth the man tells rather than the lies
people tell about him.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 06:56:21 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> From what I’ve read
> about the book, for instance in Hermann Graml’s article “Alte und
> neue Apologeten Hitlers” (in Benz (ed): “Rechtsextremismus in
> Deutschland”), it would seem like a waste of time to bother with
> it.
Maybe you should read the truth the man tells rather than the lies
people tell about him.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 28 14:44:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> What he does not explain is how (and why) he dropped his libel suits against
> Mr. Whine, The
> Board of Deputies, the Commisioner of Police and the Editor of the Jewish
> Chronicle. An action
> against him to recover legal costs has been successful! Perhapos Mr. Baron can
> tell us how much
> his little legal provocations have cost him.
I have said before in this newsgroup that a little knowledge is a dangerous
thing; that applies to you too Harry Mazal OBE. Your little knowledge is exceeded
only by your integrity, which is not existent. Now what about Suzman and Diamond?
With regard to my alleged trials, when they are no longer sub judicae I wll shout
it from the rooftops. Having seen the sick farce of the State v O.J. Simpson
I can only say I hope nothing like that ever happens here.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 28 14:44:12 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> > > to right an obvious injustice.
> > What injustice is that?
> The injustice, Mr. Baron, which blacks suffered when they were denied the
> right to vote (in violation of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution)
> by poll taxes, tests, and intimidations.
Don’t be a moron Josh; there were literacy tests for voting; a similar situation
prevailed in Rhodesia; blacks could vote if they had a certain amount of
education and/or income. These tests are not based on race but on common sense.
The idea is to limit the franchise so that the country is governed by the most
capable citizenry. The so-called civil rights movement – in particular the
registering of illiterate blacks – was nothing but a scam by communists and
fellow travellers and Jewish mischief-makers. The distinguished Jewish scholar
Nathaniel Weyl – read him sometime – said that this was a major cause of
anti-Semitism in the South, but of course, in your world view, no Jew or
organised group of Jews ever contributes to their race being hated, no matter
what they do.
Furthermore, women didn’t get the vote in Switzerland until 1972, and I didn’t
see many people crying for them.
>The injustice of being subject
> to lynchings without trial.
Whites were lynched as well, mostly for rape. And the only Jew ever to be
lynched – allegedly on account of his race – in “bigoted” America, Leo Frank,
was lynched because white men believed the word of an illiterate Negro rather
than an educated Northerner. None of that makes lynching right of course, but
it does destroy the myth that this was an injustice meted out only to blacks.
The injustice of daily humiliation. The
> injustice of paying equal taxes yet being forced into third rate schools.
The doctrine of separate but equal was established in the case Plessy v
Ferguson in the 19th century.
> I’m sorry, but your supposed sufferings at the hands of British Jews don’t
> seem so grave in comparison.
My suffering at the hands of Organised Jewry is real; if you defend them
you too should be condemned. They have tried to destroy me simply because I
am a goy and have repeatedly exposed one of their own kind who has lied to them
as freely as to the goyim. For them, race is everything. I was rather hoping
you would be better than them. Some hope.-
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 28 14:44:13 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “kevin filan” writes:
> Is it somehow _impossible_ that human beings _could be_ thrown
> into burning pits? (Not saying that they were right now; just saying that
> they _might be_. Is there some reason that you _couldn’t_ throw a baby
> into a burning pit, other than “Al Baron says you couldn’t?”)
Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it happened. Dr Perl produced
no evidence to back up this claim. Her main contribution appears to have been
to start the hunt for Dr Mengele.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 28 14:44:14 PDT 1995
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[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I apply the same standards to all persons who purport to write history,
> insofar as I am able to verify the facts described. In this sense, Staeglich
> is a fraud and a crank, and Hilberg, for example, is a historian.
Document your rhetoric or hold your piece.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 28 14:44:14 PDT 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 4 QUESTIONS FOR DAN KAREN (sic)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Let’s see — if Al Baron believes that the Quality (Y) of evidence
> is indirectly related to the Quantity (X) of evidence, then, as
> his evidence keeps getting better and better, it gradually thins
> out. Y reaches infinity, but unfortunatly, Al has nothing to
> print in his books. (Well, almost nothing. He still has his
> troglodyte homophobic comments.)
As someone who has read my book you are either a fool or a knave Mr Klein;
I am inclined to think your college education proves you are no fool.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Thu Sep 28 14:44:15 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Perhaps Mr. Baron would tell us exactly how much synthetic rubber was produced
> at
> Auschwitz. Bibliographic references would be useful, not just assumptions.
Perhaps you’d like to answer my question about your lying co-racialists
Suzman and Diamond, Harry frightened old man Mazal OBE.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “JimC90049” writes:
> Scarface
> got his on income tax evasion, and Baron got his on Scarface revisionism.
If a man were to put a gun to your head and say give me 20% of your money
you’d call the cops. When the government does it you call it taxation.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Hartfelt fantasies
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>In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Funny, I think the obvious reason she had not a shred of evidence is
> that she was a prisoner. What, you think they’d give her a camera to
> record the event, then let her out to go to the corner drugstore to have
> the film developed, so that she could back up her claim about what she
> saw? Your expectation that she or any other prisoner could possibly offer
> physical evidence to corroborate _anything_ she saw happen at Auschwitz is
> simply amazing – a fantasy concocted by (how old are you, Al?) who hasn’t
> the slightest grasp of evidence and logic, or (I’m coming to believe)
> reality.
Mike, we have been over this before so you have no excuse for it. In her book
Hart claims she saw SS man Wagner pick up a baby that was sucking at its dead
mother’s breast and throw it into the oven. This is a total fantasy. Re-read
the text and do the basic anaylsis. Don’t defend such evil, wilful lies: the
only thing Kitty Hart has in common with you is the word Jew.
Incidentally, in the above passage you assert – correct me if I’m wrong –
that arch-liar Hart, and by implication most other survivors, have no real
evidence of Nazi genocide, and therefore we should take what they say on faith.
If this is the case then the oft’ repeated – and totally false – assertion in
this newsgroup that the Revisionists have no evidence, even if it were true,
would be irrelevant, for by your admission they have nothing to disprove.
Apologies if I’ve posted this before.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Harry Katz: Enemy Of ZOG
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“Note: While some 90% of the Jews suport Zionism and the Jewish Lobby in its
attempt to control the U.S. government, a small number of Jews oppose such
a scheme. They include David Cole, Harry Katz (wealthy Manhattan businessman),
famous author and attorney Mark Lane and a small number of others. We stress
this point to insure that our readers understand that this publication does
not oppose all Jews but only Zionist Jews.)” – The Truth At Last, issue 363
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 08:44:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> These “persecutions” were almost entirely economic. There were
> still private Jewish banks in Germany up until 1938. When Jewish
> businesses were Aryanised they often retained their old names to
> trade on the good will of their former owners!
> Sounds to me like you were excusing the persecution of Jews on the
> grounds that it wasn’t really so bad.
If your next door neighbour is arrested and convicted of burglary and
somebody claims he was convicted instead of battering an old lady to death,
are you excusing him by pointing out that he is only a thief rather than a
murderer?
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 08:44:58 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Wilhelm Sta”glich
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> Tell you what. I will, if you give me Staeglich’s arguments about
> the Himmler speech in Posen 4 October 1943. If they impress me as
> worth taking into account, I’ll get the book, read it and say
> what I think about it. If the man’s telling the truth it ought to
> be in your interest to get his gospel out, right? So far you’ve
> been a lousy apostle. So, do we have a deal?
Sure do, I’ve just posted it to Jeff so he shoud scan it in within a
week. E-mail [email protected]
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 08:44:58 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A false Witness: Elie Wiesel
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Sigh. I guess it’s useless to ask Al “Jews are dumb” Baron
Could it be Dan that you are just looking for an excuse to repeat the
phrase “Jews are dumb” without being smeared as an anti-Semite?
WHY
> he can conclude that this never happened? More so, since he admits
> that the Nazis *did* burn people alive in other camps?
Another distortion, I said that there was a war-time atrocity, at the end
of the war, when this happened. It was not part of the Final Solution. Neither
was Oradour, where I believe a similar thing happened. As at Mai Lai.
Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 08:44:59 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Protocols
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> But seriously, if you want confirmation of Dr. Nyiszli’s existence,
> why don’t you write to the University of Breslau for a copy of his
> doctoral thesis which he defended in 1930.
Thanks, I will. Rassinier wrote to Dr Nylizli care of his publisher not
knowing he was dead. This is discussed in Pressac’s tome. Keep insulting
my intelligence if you wish, but I can tell by your replies that my very
existence bothers you. Oh yes, I do exist.
Or see if you can hunt up
> his book. There is a picture of the dissertation title page in it.
I have a copy of his book; it is totally worthless as an historical document.
> It is amazing, too, that the SS could find hundreds of thosuands of RM
> to buy crematory equipment but grudged the inmates lesser amounts to
> install an adequate sewage system.
Our government recently spent 13 million pounds of National Lottery money
on acquiring the library of Winston Churchill when there are people sleeping
homeless on the streets of London. It’s not only the Nazis who had
false priorities and who make people’s stomachs turn.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Revisionazis ‘Erased’ Irving?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> After the news came out that the “leading revisionist scholar”, David
> Irving, stated that 4 million Jews died in the Holocaust, we have
> not seen one “revisionist” quote anything by Irving.
> Moreover, not one of them has even commented on his statement.
> I wonder why…
You obviously haven’t read my book, Dan. It was published in October 1994
and predicted this. You will find that a lot of right wing groups will be
sitting up to take notice in future, even if the Revisionists proper don’t.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Prohibiton Revisionism?
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This is all you’re gonna get without ordering it. Why not try your local
library?
A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION
$To The Reader$
There is no vested interest behind this study; the current writer
gave up alcohol in January 1986, and, save for the odd helping of
sherry trifle, has not knowingly consumed it, and, barring a
miracle, never will again, for the remainder of his undoubtedly
short life. This pamphlet has been written for one purpose and
one purpose alone, to set the historical record straight. In
particular, to exonerate the great American pioneer and free
market entrepreneur Alphonse Capone, one of the most maligned men
in history, from the lies and calumny that have been directed
against him by both the media and successive administrations of
the increasingly fascistic United States Government. And to
expose the antecedents and fraudulent methodology of his most
notorious slanderer and persecutor, the so-called $Untouch-
able$, Eliot Ness. (1)
Preamble$
It is a sad fact that, unlike science, history has no internal
consistency or logic. In science, the quest for an ordered uni-
verse is paramount. However many glitches and bumps there may be
on the road to truth, knowledge and understanding; however many
anomalies the scientist may encounter; ultimately, there is a
supreme order and consistency about the paradigm he constructs.
In science, energy flows from hot to cold. Always. Water flows
downhill under the influence of gravity. Always. The velocity of
light $in vacuo$ is constant for all observers. Always.
Unlike science, the study of history yields no immutable para-
digms, rather history is interpreted, rewritten and censored at
the behest of the latest dictator or unelected ruling
$elite$, or at the whim of some highly acclaimed $histor-
ian$, who may be little more than a state-sponsored polemicist.
History is even interpreted according to fads. Thus, Hiroshima
and Nagasaki were $necessary$ acts which shortened the
course of the Second World War and saved countless lives, while
the well-documented atrocities committed by the Nazis and their
Japanese allies against innocent civilians were abominable acts
beyond the pale which deserved only to be punished with the
utmost severity, and remembered for all time as obscenities and
the ultimate crimes against humanity. (2)
The inconsistencies and double standards of history relate not
only to acts of supreme evil, but to individuals, some of whom
are to be shunned and scorned for eternity merely for choosing
the lesser of evils, while others are to be canonised for perpe-
trating acts of such gross inhumanity and wanton destruction that
it beggars belief anyone should want to remember them at all,
except perhaps to spit on their graves. One such monster was
Napoleon Bonaparte, who at best was a comic opera figure who
walked around with his hand inside his trouser saying “Not to-
night, Josephine”. Few and far between are the Frenchmen who will
today speak of Napoleon in anything but awe, yet his futile
crusades ruined France and robbed it of the finest flower of its
youth, over a hundred thousand of whom perished in his Russian
campaign alone, and were left frozen to death on the road to
Moscow. The same can be said of Hitler who also invaded the
Soviet Union; Churchill, who rejected Hitler’s offers of peace,
which would have saved countless lives; and indeed many other
figures throughout history.
On a far less grand scale, many people who have caused and
spread untold misery, want and destruction have also been cano-
nised, while at the same time, the most industrious of business-
men, whose only $crime$ has been to satisfy a public demand
– to give the people what they want – and to make a few quid for
themselves in the process, have been damned as Public Enemy
Number One, denounced to high heaven as racketeers and gangsters,
and portrayed time and time again on celluloid, in pulp fiction
and in regular history books as enemies of humanity no less
monstrous than either Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. One of most
notorious of these aforementioned agents of misery was a state-
sponsored thug named Eliot Ness; and one of the most industrious
and finest of these industrious entrepreneurs was Al Capone.
Alexander Baron
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: A Partial Refutation Of 66 Of Dan Keren’s Wilful Distortions
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># 29. Was this product suitable for mass extermination?
># No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate
># people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a
># slow-acting fumigation agent.
>Zyklon-B kills pretty fast – within minutes. it’s cheap, it
>was available, and the SS had plenty of experience using it. It
>was an obvious choice. It was a far more logical choice than
>nerve gases, etc.
It was so obvious that Hoess is supposed to have thought long and hard
before deciding on it.
># 30. How long does it take to ventilate an area after fumigation with
># Zyklon B?
># Normally about 20 hours.
>Not if one uses forced ventilation, as in Kremas II and III in
>Birkenau. It’s quite easy to ventilate a gas chamber. Much easier than
>ventilating a building; it’s just a big room. In some of the other
>gas chamber, the men who had to go inside and take the corpses
>out used gas masks:
><end quote>
># The whole procedure is very complicated and dangerous.
>Preposterous. Zyklon-B was widely used before and after the war. It
>would not be such a successful product if it would have been so
>difficult to use.
large quantities [of cyanide gas] are required to fumigate ships and mills and
several hours have to be allowed to protect the operators, ie
before they can enter the area.
“Liquid hydrocyanic acid is unstable and may even explode” – Encyclopaedia Britannic
># 33. What was the exact procedure the Nazis allegedly used to
># exterminate Jews?
># The stories range from dropping gas canisters into a crowded
># room from a hole in the ceiling, to piping gas through shower
># heads, to “steam chambers,” to “electrocution” machinery.
>Different methods were used at different places.
>It is true that, when the mass gassings began, some people who
>spied on the camps from a distance didn’t understand exactly
>how the gas chambers were working, and gave false reports/conjectures
>regarding the technique of the gassing.
Who these spies are is not known; presumably we are expected to assume
that they were telling the unvarnished truth because they were Jewish
(although we can’t even say that for certain).
>These people were not engineers or scientists. They saw trainloads of
>people going into Belzec and Treblinka, and no one coming out.
And assumed they had been gassed.
>Take the “steam
>chambers”, for instance, which are mentioned in a report by Poles who
>were spying on Treblinka (in which people were killed by the exhaust
>of a tank engine; this method was also used in Belzec, Sobibor, and
>Chelmno, but not in Auschwitz, where Zyklon-B was used). When these
>gas chambers were opened, a cloud of smoke came out. This is probably
>what led some people who were spying on the camps to conjecture that
>steam was used.
A cloud of smoke came out? But didn’t these “gas chambers” open directly
into the crematoria? Smoke came out of gas chambers? You’re right up to
a point here, Dan. It is conjecture, but the conjecture is that of a desperate
man. You. What a waste of a PhD.
># 34. How could a mass extermination program have been kept secret from
># those who were scheduled to be killed?
># It couldn’t have been kept secret.
>It was, in general, kept secret. There was no CNN back then. The
>SS-men who were in the camps or who knew about them were warned to
>keep silent or face severe punishment:
It was secret but it wasn’t secret.
> He explained that we had been dedicated to the Kulmhof
>[Chelmno] extermination camp as guards and added that in this camp the
>plague boils of humanity, the Jews, were exterminated. We were to
>keep quiet about everything we saw or heard, otherwise we would have
>to reckon with our families’ imprisonment and the death penalty.
Where is the written order, Dan?
># 35. If Jews scheduled for execution knew the fate in store for them,
># why did they go along with the Germans without resisting?
># They didn’t fight back because they did not believe there was
># any intention to kill them.
>At times, the Jews did fight back. There was a large rebellion
>in the Warsaw Ghetto, when the Jews discovered what was happening
>in Treblinka. There were other, smaller, rebellions, including
>some in the death camps, such as Treblinka, Sobibor, and Birkenau.
Some even spied for the Gestapo; some undoubtedly believed it, but
there are plenty of people today who believe that AIDS was invented
in the laboratory by the US government as part of a plan to exterminate
blacks. There will always be some loony who will believe anything as
long as it is far out enough. [I believe because it is absurd – Tertullian.]
># 36. About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?
># Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000.
>Oddly enough, no historian agrees with these estimates.
Neither do many Revisionists. Arthur Butz says he wouldn’t disagree with a
million.
>According to the most respected source in Germany regarding Nazi
>crimes, the “Institute for Contemporary History” in Munich, about
>a million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz-Birkenau, 700,000 in
>Treblinka, and 600,000 in Belzec, to list the three worst camps.
># 37. How did they die?
># Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics
Which claimed 3 million lives in the aftermath of the First World War.
># 40. Some Jewish “death camp” survivors say they saw bodies being
># dumped into pits and burned. How much fuel would have been
># required for this?
># A great deal more than the Germans had access to,
>And the proof for this is…?
>The SS used wood, gasoline refuse, methanol, and used motor oil
>to burn the corpses (see testimonies in Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary
>History of the Use of Poison Gas, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, chapter about Auschwitz).
># 41. Can bodies be burned in pits?
># No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
># flames in this manner because of lack of oxygen.
>And the proof for this is…? Did the person who wrote this ever
>try to burn corpses?
What was that story about Faurisson asking Pressac to burn a rabbit,
Pressac tried, then gave up!
># 42. Holocaust historians claim that the Nazis were able to
># cremate bodies in about ten minutes.
>This is certainly not what most Holocaust historians claim.
True, I have seen some estimates from survivors for 20 minutes. The
figure is still unrealistic.
>Auschwitz had 5 crematoriums with 52 (!!) cremation furnaces.
>Anyone ever hear of a “work camp” with 52 cremation furnaces?
This figure is by no means certain, in spite of the claims at the
second Zundel trial. Staeglich presents strong evidence that the size
of these facilities were exaggerated. There could be other reasons
for there being so many ovens. It may have been that somebody in the
SS was taking backhanders from Topf & Sohne.
># 45. Can a crematory oven be operated 100 percent of the time?
># No. Fifty percent of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours
># per day). Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and
># regularly when in heavy operation.
>So they were cleaned.
And were not operated round the clock.
># 46. How much ash is left from a cremated corpse?
># After the bone is all ground down, about a shoe box full.
>
>This one may actually be correct.
># 47. If six million people had been incinerated by the Nazis, what
># happened to the ashes?
># That remains to be “explained.” Six million bodies would have
># produced many tons of ashes, yet there is no evidence of any
># large ash depositories.
Six million missing bodies would have produced six million names. Nothing
like that many can be accounted for, and there were fairly accurate
census and other figures available at this time.
># 48. Do Allied wartime aerial reconnaissance photos of Auschwitz (taken
># during the period when the “gas chambers” and crematoria were
># supposedly in full operation) show evidence of extermination?
># No. In fact, these photographs do not even reveal a trace of
># the enormous amount of smoke that supposedly was constantly
># over the camp, nor do they show evidence of the “open pits” in
># which bodies were allegedly burned.
>Overflight of Auschwitz were very few and were carried out in
>late 1944, when the extermination process was almost finished.
>Some aerial photos were taken after the gas chambers were destroyed.
In other words, no.
>As for the so-called “burning ditches”, there are photographs of
>them taken not from airplanes, but by Auschwitz prisoners. See
>Pressac’s book (question 44), page 422.
Obviously the “52 crematoria” were insufficient. Was this because the
Nazis miscalculated the number of Jews they were to “gas”, or because
they didn’t realise how bad the typhus epidemics would become.
># 49. What was the main provision of the German “Nuremberg Laws” of
># 1935?
># They forbid marriage and sexual relations between Germans and
># Jews, similar to laws existing in Israel today.
And protected the Zionist flag. Aryans could and were also punished for
the “crime” of Rassenschande. The Jewish religion forbids marrying out,
indeed in 1993 an organisation was founded in Britain called Jewish
Continuity to preserve the Jewish heritage. Miscegenation is purely for
the goyim.
>There are not, and there have never been, such laws in Israel. There
>is no law in Israel that doesn’t allow Jews and non-Jews to have
>sex. Period. Holocaust-deniers throw these lies around, probably
>hoping no one will bother to check them.
There is a law in Israel that permits the security services to torture
suspects, something there never was in Nazi Germany. But in any case,
when have the Israelis ever give a fuck about either domestic law or
international law or “world opinion”?
In May 1993, the human rights organisation Amnesty International issued
a press release which revealed that since December 1992, more than 100
Palestinians had been shot and killed by the Israeli security forces,
thirty of them under the age of seventeen.
How many Jewish schoolkids did the Nazis murder prior to World War Two,
Dan? Here’s a clue: less than one.
># 50. Were there any American precedents for the Nuremberg Laws?
># Years before Hitler’s Third Reich, most states in the USA had
># enacted laws prohibiting marriage between persons of different
># races.
>So?
So, as J.C. Owen said when he returned from the Munich Olympics: Nazi
Germany wasn’t the only place where racial prejudice was rife.
># 51. What did the International Red Cross have to report with regard to
># the “Holocaust” question?
># An official report on the visit of an IRC delegation to
># Auschwitz in September 1944 pointed out that internees were
># permitted to receive packages, and that rumors of gas chambers
># could not be verified.
>The IRC delegation wasn’t allowed anywhere near the gas chambers.
>They were shown a small part of the camp, built especially for the
>purpose of camouflage.
In other words: they saw no gas chambers.
># 52. What was the role of the Vatican during the time six million Jews
># were allegedly being exterminated?
># If there had been an extermination plan, the Vatican would most
># certainly have been in a position to know about it. But because
># there was none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against
># it, and didn’t.
>Who says the Vatican “would most certainly have been in a position
>to know about it”?
Anyone with a brain in his head.
>The Nazis hated the Catholic church, and executed many
>clergymen.
Bollocks. No clergymen were executed because they were clergymen.
The church had no power or influence over the Nazis.
Crap. The euthenasia programme was suspended partly due to Church
disapproval
># 53. What evidence is there that Hitler knew of an on-going Jewish
># extermination program?
># None.
>Of course there is.
Which must account for his saying he wanted to postpone the Final
Solution until after the war.
># 54. Did the Nazis and the Zionists collaborate?
># As early as 1933, Hitler’s government signed an agreement with
># the Zionists permitting Jews to emigrate from Germany to
># Palestine, taking large amounts of capital with them.
>And where is this agreement?
>No such option was given to Jews after the break of WW2.
This collaboration has been thoroughly documented by Jewish authors, in
particular Lenni Brenner, John Rose and the respected historian Jacob Boas.
There is also a book by a Rabbi called THE HOLOCAUST VICTIMS ACCUSE: DOCUMENTATION
ON JEWISH WAR CRIMINALS
># 56. Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?
># No. Evidence compiled by Dr. Robert Faurisson of France
># establishes that the famous diary is a literary hoax.
>In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted
>Anne Frank’s handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science
>Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity.
True Dan, but the book has been severely edited in several editions,
and the tragedy of this young girl has been ruthlessly exploited for the
basest of motives, mostly by the so-called anti-racist lobby rather
than by the Zionists.
># 57. What about the familiar photographs and film footage taken in the
># liberated German camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are
># these faked?
># Photographs can be faked, but it’s far easier merely to add a
># misleading caption to a photo or commentary to a piece of
># footage. Piles of emaciated corpses do not mean that these
># people were “gassed” or deliberately starved to death.
>They were indeed starved to death, beat to death, and shot dead.
They also died of typhus, and were not “gassed” as is often implied.
>The death rate at the camps was tremendously high long before the
>end of the war, and before there was any food shortage.
It was even higher at the front where the “Aryans” were fighting.
># Actually, these were tragic victims of raging epidemics or of
># starvation due to a lack of food in the camps toward the end of
># the war.
>There was plenty of food. See “The Belsen Trial”, for instance. In
>Belsen, tens-of-thousands starved to death while there were 800
>tons of food in the stores of the Panzer Training School, 2 miles
>away. Numerous others were just plain murdered:
There is plenty of food in America today yet there are still people
going hungry. It’s never that simple, Dan, there are logistical problems
as well. At the Belsen trial, one defendant – who was acquitted – testified
that he had wanted to bring a lorry load of bread to the camp but had been
refused admission because of the typhus epidemic.
># 59. Are films such as “Schindler’s List” or “The Winds of War”
># documentaries?
># No. Such films are fictional dramatizations loosely based on
># history. Unfortunately, all too many people accept them as
># accurate historical representations.
Celluloid trash is a better phrase. Searchlight magazine reviewed
Schindler’s List and said it was a powerful reply to the Holocaust
Liars. Perhaps you’re preaching to the wrong people, Dan?
># 60. How many books have been published that refute some aspect of
># the standard “Holocaust” story?
># Dozens. More are in production.
>Unfortunately, all these books contain are the same misquotes,
>misinterpretations, and outright lies.
My book contains a lot of original quotes, and the only lies it repeats
are those of the Holocaust affirmers it refutes. Many other Revisionist
books do the same; Professor Butz and Judge Staeglich’s books are outstanding
examples of scholarship.
># 61. What happened when the Institute for Historical Review offered
># $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at
># Auschwitz?
># No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward,
>Proof was submitted, and the IHR (together with a few other
>defendants) was ordered by a court to pay the money. Here’s a part of
>the court’s summary:
In other words, the court took judicial notice of gassings. Why don’t
you tell the rest of the story, Dan?
># 62. What about the charge that those who question the Holocaust story
># are merely anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi?
># This is a smear designed to draw attention away from facts
># and honest arguments.
>Here are a few examples to what Holocaust-deniers think about
>Hitler, and about Jews. These quotes are preceded by “##”:
Anyone can quote selectively Dan. Why don’t you quote some of the anti-
Nazis who have questioned the holy writ of the Holocaust? Douglas Reed,
J.G. Berg, David Cole or me?
># 63. What has happened to “revisionist” historians who have challenged
># the Holocaust story?
># They have been subjected to smear campaigns, loss of academic
># positions, loss of pensions, destruction of their property and
># physical violence.
>If such things happened, they are regrettable.
If?
But one has to wonder
>just who is guilty of this alleged violence directed at Holocaust
>deniers. Some of the “leading revisionists” in the US, including
>Willis Carto, have been involved in a fistfight among themselves,
And Carto through acid in Faurisson’s face? Was it Carto who burnt
the IHR to the ground? Was it Butz who beat up Ginsberg when he was
visiting his wife’s grave? Was it Greg Raven who punched David Cole
in the face?
># 64. Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered any retaliation
># for its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and
># academic freedom?
># The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely
># destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack.
Don’t whisper too loud, Dan, the ADL might hear your condemnation.
># 65. Why is there so little publicity for the revisionist view?
>Why is there so little publicity for the “moon landing is a hoax”
>view?
The usual analogy is with flat earthers, but Dan is wise enough to realise
that it was the flat earthers who denied the likes of Galileo publicity,
and subjected their opponents to an Inquisition. And in the end the flat
earthers lost.
># 66. Where can I get more information about the “other side” of the
># Holocaust story, as well as facts concerning other aspects of
># World War II historical revisionism?
>Not with Holocaust-deniers. They do not give any information. If
>someone wishes to learn about the Holocaust, he/she should read what
>the people who were there said, and study the existing documentation.
So what did the people who were there say, Dan?
Ella Lingens-Reiner:
Jewish Gestapo agents spread rumours in Auschwitz.
“Once I heard how a little S.S. man, an N.C.O., begged
one of the Jewish prisoners who worked in the reception office to
get him a fountain pen; the prisoner told him grumpily to come
back another day, at the moment he had no time for him.”
He was obviously in fear of being gassed.
Kitty Hart: 18,000 bodies were disposed of in every
24 hour period at Birkenau + 8,000 in the pits!
Filip Mueller: “From time to time SS doctors visited the
crematorium…Like cattle dealers they felt the thighs and calves
of men and women who were still alive and selected what they
called the best pieces before the victims were executed. After
their execution the chosen bodies were laid on a table. The
doctors proceeded to cut pieces of still warm flesh from thighs
and calves and threw them into waiting receptacles. The muscles
of those who had been shot were still working and contracting,
making the bucket jump about.”
Rudol Vrba: “‘Rudi,’ she said softly, ‘look at me.’ Slowly I turned
and looked at her. She was curled up on the bed now and I do not
think I have ever seen anyone lovelier.”
“‘You smell so beautiful,’ I whispered, stupidly, aimlessly. ‘Why
do you smell so beautiful?’…
‘Soap, darling,’ she murmurred. ‘Just soap.'”
Yes, he actually carried on a love affair in the mill of death.
Und so weiter and ad nauseum
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> Oh no! It’s the “some of my best friends are Jews” argument. Had to come, I
> suppose – Al is nothing if not completely unoriginal.
A “few” of my best friends are anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews.
Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:
> All the Jews the Nazis could get their hands on were rounded up. If
> some escaped, it was not due to Nazi generosity.
That’s not true, Harry. Check out Reitlinger.
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> Who are Morodowicz and Rosin
Two of the damned liars who put their names to the War Refugee Board
Report.
Alexander Baron
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Ever since I joined this newsgroup people who disagree with me – and only
people who disagree with me, although not all of them – have consistently
branded me an anti-Semite. Yet not one of them has given one valid reason
for making this slur on my character, and I find this slur particularly
offensive because I have always defended religious freedom as a committed
Libertarian – I have defended the Jewish religion in particular. Furthermore,
I have never advocated terrorrism against or persecution of Jews, and indeed
have condemned both rigorously in several of my publications.
I hereby challenge all the people who have denounced me, sometimes hysterically
– except Harry Mazal – to give me one valid reason why a stranger should
believe the proposition
“Alexander Baron is an anti-Semite”
I repeat: one valid reason. Put up or shut up, boys and girls.
Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “kevin filan” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> Is there any evidence you have which proves the impossibility of
> this. If not, how can you so definitively assert that Ms. Hart is lying?
Sorry, thought you were Mike Stein. Read my book or E-mail him.-
Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> >And I have never condoned anti-Semitism and never will.
> I presume that last is to pull the wool over the eyes of those new to
> the newsgroup; I don’t think that big a lie is going to go over even
> with them.
I couldn’t give a fuck what you think.
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> I don’t entirely disagree with that. For a responsible account of the
> problems with the Fed, try William Greider’s _Secrets of the Temple_.
I’ve read part of that, it’s an enormous book, and as I remember it has
very little nice to say about the Fed.
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Elias Halldor Agustsson” writes:
> It isn’t the policeman’s to decide. You have captured in nutshell
> the essence of Nazi ideology.
Oh yes it is. If he doesn’t think there is some substance to a claim he won’t
even make an arrest.
Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> The question crazy Al cannot understand or reply to is: why is it
> possible that (as he agrees) the Nazis burned people alive while
> engaged in “standard war-time atrocities”, but it is impossible
> (so he claims) that they burned people alive in Birkenau?
I didn’t claim it was impossible that people were burned alive in
Birkenau. I claim it is a lie.
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
> Well, I can’t prove it, and if I said it, I retract it. All your posts
> show is that you believe nothing a Jew says about anything unless he wears
> a caftan,
Not true. Rabbi Perrin doesn’t wear a caftan and I believe him when he
says a million Arabs aren’t worth a Jewish fingernail. I believe Josh
Klein believes in a) the Holocaust and b) that I am an anti-Semite.
He is sincere and wrong on both accounts.
and you believe that Jews generally made up the Endloesung
No, I believe that organised Jews churned out a lot of the propaganda,
but I have also cited the British Psychological Warfare Executive, including
Sefton Delmer.
to
> make some money, and you believe that “Jews are dumb.” You also believe in
> a delusion that a “Jewish conspiracy”
I have stated repeatedly that I do not believe in the Jewish world conspiracy
although I have also stated that Jews can and do conspire the same as any other
group, eg the IRA (Irish), “Mafia” (Italians); Columbian drug cartels etc.-
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> It’s difficult to see how anybody could put forth the thesis that “organized
> Jewry” has engaged in an elaborate, almost miraculous conspiracy to control
> the media of the world for the purpose of inventing a fictional
> holocaust, and then bridle at being called an antisemite.
I never said Organised Jewry controlled the media, what I have said is that
certain Jewish organisations, by incessant lobbying and using the anti-Semite
smear with gay abandon have intimidated the media into silence. Douglas
Reed said much the same thing in 1951 when he wrote:
“In my judgment the figure of six millions was a grotesque exaggeration which
an unintimidated press would never have published, save to expose.”
Reed was former Central European correspondent for the Times, and a
pathological anti-Nazi.
I think the idea that organised Jewish groups have not attempted to suppress
debate on this subject – except on their own terms – is not tenable except
to the most wilfully blind person in this newsgroup.
Alexander Baron
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>This is a draft of a reply to the “66 Q&A About the Holocaust”
>article, published by various Holocaust-deniers. The original
>material is precedeed by an “#”. The questions may slightly
>differ than those in an earlier version.
And this is a partial reply to Dan Keren PhD
>I would be grateful
>for any comments, and for informing me of any possible errors
The hell you would.
># 1. What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?
># None. All we have is postwar testimony,
No proof. There is a great deal of evidence but there is a vast chasm
between evidence and proof.
>On what grounds do Holocaust-deniers simply dismiss the
>testimony of everyone who was there?
They don’t dismiss it all, they say simply that most of it doesn’t
mean what Dan Keren and his ilk claim it means, or in his case, want it
to mean.
># This testimony is contradictory,
>Some people differ about how many people were squeezed into a
>given gas chamber, and how long the gassing took. This hardly
>counts as “contradictory”. People are not machines, and they
>are bound to make such mistakes, especially under such conditions.
Some “memoirs” are fakes, for example the admitted fake memoirs of
Martin Gray who was never at Treblinka. Some defy the laws of physics
when it comes to testimony of gassing. Many contain outright lies such as
Kitty Hart’s – by now familiar to this newsgroup – story of SS man Wagner
murdering a baby.
>Quite a few have witnessed gassings.
And quite a few who claimed they did lied through their teeth, including
Rudolf Vrba, one of the key witnesses, who admitted only under cross-examination
40 years later that he had lied when he claimed he had.
># There are no contemporaneous documents
There are quite a few; some of them are obviously phony – Staeglich gives
an excellent example in his book – page 44. Others don’t mean what Keren
wants them to mean.
># 2. What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by
># the Nazis?
># Extensive forensic, demographic, analytical and comparative
># evidence demonstrates the impossibility of such a figure.
Statements from the likes of Rudolf Hoess to that effect and much wailing
and gnashing of teeth to the effect that anyone who refuses to accept
this figure uncritically is anti-Semitic.
># 3. Did Simon Wiesenthal state in writing that “there were no
># extermination camps on German soil”?
># Yes. The famous “Nazi hunter” wrote this in Stars and Stripes,
># Jan. 24, 1993. He also claimed that “gassings” of Jews took
># place only in Poland.
Simon Wiesenthal said many things; some of his lies are so brazen that
even Organised Jewry in Britain have given him the bum’s rush.
># 4. If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it
># was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans
># say it was an extermination camp?
>It was not an extermination camp in the sense that it wasn’t a death
>factory like Treblinka and Auschwitz. Still, great numbers of
>people were murdered in camps like Dachau and Bergen-Belsen; they
>were starved, beat and shot to death. In Bergen-Belsen alone,
>tens-of-thousands have died.
In other words it was not an extermination camp but let’s call it one
anyway.
># After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led
># through the camp and shown a building alleged to have been a
># “gas chamber.” The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to
># assert that Dachau was a “gassing” camp.
>Dachau had a gas chamber. People were gassed there. Far less than
>in the mass extermination camps such as Treblinka and Auschwitz,
>that is true. A letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuhrer-SS Himmler
>explicitly suggests to gas people in Dachau; see: Nazi Mass Murder:
>A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, edited by E. Kogon,
>H. Langbein, and A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, chapter 8.
Lies Dan. Not just soldiers but local people were shown a “gas chamber”.
Here is what the leading Exterminationist source says:
ENCYCLOPEDIA of the HOLOCAUST
“…when some witnesses let their imagination run free and incorrectly claim
that the DACHAU concentration camp had working gas chambers, the revisionists
pounce on this discrepancy…” [The actual official line is that a gas chamber
was started in 1942 but was never finished due to sabotage and that no one
was gassed there.]
In 1978, 2 leading South African Zionist Jews published a book which
affirmed the existence of this non-existent gas chamber. They included a
photo, allegedly of some of the gassed. This piece of trash was endorsed
by Lord Shawcross, among others, one of the prosecution team at Nuremberg,
who obviously knew better but like you doesn’t care. This book of brazen lies
led to the banning of Holocaust Revisionism in South Africa.
Keep lying Dan, you’re a Jew so it doesn’t count.
># 5. What about Auschwitz? Is there any proof that gas chambers were
># used to kill people there?
># No. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was modified after the
># war, and a room was reconstructed to look like a large “gas
># chamber.”
> From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz:
More drivel deleted.
># After America’s leading expert on gas chamber
># construction and design, Fred Leuchter,
>Ah, Leuchter again. The man who said he’s an engineer, but he only
>has a BA in the arts. The man who said he worked for prisons, who
>never heard of him. The man who never built or ran a gas chamber
>(he did build some lethal injection machines, that were defective
>and caused great pain to those being executed).
>The man who wrote a “report” about the Auschwitz gas chambers
>that even “leading revisionists” admit is worthless.
>And this man is a “leading expert on gas chambers”.
While it is true that Leuchter has misrepresented himself – including to
leading Revisionists – the veracity of his report, which is not
definitive, has not been effectively challenged.
Much is made by Exterminationists of the fact that Leuchter was paid by
Zundel – spurious logic: Zundel is a Nazi so it doesn’t count. This
overlooks the fact that Leuchter could have made a lot more money by “selling
out”. Subsequent researchers have affirmed Leuchter’s claims, but for
the record, the current writer does not believe Revisionism stands or
falls on the Leuchter Report.
># 7. Who set up the first concentration camps?
>Irrelevant.
The British. A concentration camp is simply an open prison. Most people
would rather be in an open prison than a closed one, although most people
would of course rather not be locked up at all.
># 9. Why did the German government intern Jews in camps?
># It considered Jews a direct threat to national security. (Jews
># were overwhelmingly represented in Communist subversion.)
>Just another Nazi canard, which proves again that Holocaust-deniers
>are right in line with WW2 era Nazi propagandists. What did the
>Jews of Poland, France, Holland etc have to do with “Communist
>subversion”?
Not a total canard, there were indeed a lot of Jews involved in the
communist movement. More important is that at the start of the war
Chaim Weizmann declared that the Jews would fight on the side of the
democracies, and this led to many being interned. They were also conscripted
for “slave labour” rather than being conscripted to die at the front.
Not all Jews were interned, some worked for the Nazis – doctors, for
example – and there was talk of calling up “half Jews” until late in the
war. There were even a number of Jewish spies working for the Gestapo!
># 10. What hostile measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as
># early as 1933?
>When Hitler, who regarded the Jews as vermin that had to
>be exterminated, came to power in 1933, some Jews protested.
Hitler never said anything about Jews being exterminated, certainly not
in 1933. “Individual acts” against Jews were punished by the courts,
sometimes severely. For example, the Jewish Chronicle reported the following:
February 23, 1934, pages 12-3: $Imprisoned for Threatening a
Jew$ reports that two nineteen year old artisans were jailed, each
for a month, for demanding money with menaces from a Jewish merchant.
August 10, 1934, page 12, a Hamburg court ruled that a Jewish pauper
was entitled to free legal defence, which begs the question: why was
he a pauper? On the same page, Nazis were said to have condemned the
desecration of 54 tombstones which were smashed when a Jewish cemetery
was vandalised. “Our movement wars only against living people, not
against the dead, who are at peace”, one Nazi publication is said
to have reported. Three drunkards were later jailed, one for one year,
one for six months, one for four months. The incident appears not
to have been political; the culprits were jailed in accordance with
the guidelines laid down by Hitler himself.
># 11. Did the Jews of the world “declare war on Germany”?
># Yes. Newspapers around the world reported this. A front-page
># headline in the London Daily Express (March 24, 1933), for
># example, announced “Judea Declares War on Germany.”
>Wasn’t this some fascist newspaper, run by Mosley?
No, certainly not! The Daily Express was owned by Lord Beaverbrook. The
Daliy Mail was owned by Lord Rothermere, who supported Oswald Mosley’s
Fascists. But in 1933 so did the Jewish Chronicle! It was only when
Mosley committed the cardinal sin of publicly criticising what he
believed to be – rightly or wrongly – Jewish financial pressures that
were driving Britain to war with Germany that Organised Jewry turned on
him. Like Jesse Jackson and Al “Jews are dumb” Baron Mosley didn’t realise
that any criticism of the Chosen Race constitutes vicious anti-Semitism
in their eyes. As in Dan Keren’s.
>Yes, but it was after numerous antisemitic statements made by the
>Nazis. Hitler began his campaign against the Jews long before 1933.
>So did other Nazis. Hitler, actually, suggested in his book
>”Mein Kampf” to gas Jews. This book was written long before 1933.
A total distortion Dan, but par for the course for you. Hitler had actually
been gassed himself in the First World War. In Mein Kampf he suggested
that it might have been a good idea to kill off 12,000 Jewish
“corruptors of the people”. While one should condemn this sort of rhetoric,
leftists use it all the time against the “ruling class” and it goes unnoticed.
One should also compare it with the 1927 statement by the Jewish “pacifist”
Kurt Tucholsky:
“May the gas creep into the play-rooms of your children. They should drop
dead slowly, the little dolls…” etc ad nauseum.
Finally it should be pointed out that it is not claimed that “gassings”
originated with Hitler, but that in Auschwitz at least they were evolved
by Hoess in a rather ad hoc manner.
># 13. What nation is credited with being the first to practice mass
># civilian bombing?
># Britain — on May 11, 1940.
Congratulations Dan, you told an unblemished truth, albeit grudgingly.
># 14. How many “gas chambers” to kill people were there at Auschwitz?
># None.
>Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing gassing in
>Krema I in Auschwitz
>[Quoted in “KL Auschwitz as Seen by the SS”, p. 176]
Broad quote deleted: Broad was “on the ramp” at Auschwitz. Even the leading
anti-Revisionist Pressac has condemned his testimony as unreliable because
of its “Polish influence”. The communists are of course the world’s master
liars as well as the curators of the Auschwitz “museum”.
># 16. If the Jews of Europe were not exterminated by the Nazis,
># what happened to them?
># After the war millions of Jews were still alive in Europe.
>Holocaust-deniers have no idea where exactly in Europe these
>Jews were. There is no evidence whatsoever that these millions
>of Jews were around after the war. No one saw them, and there is
>no documentary evidence whatsoever proving they existed.
There were something like 30 million displaced persons in Europe at
the end of the war. Quite a few of them were Jews.
># 19. If Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, why did the
># commandant, Rudolf Hoess, confess that it was?
># He was tortured by British military police, as one of his
># interrogators later admitted.
>Who admitted this? What about Hoess’ testimony in Nuernberg? In
>Poland? What about numerous other testimonies?
Hoess “admitted” it in his Cracow memoirs, dummy. Although these words
were undoubtedly put into his mouth by his communist gaolers they were
also just as undoubtedly genuine. Hoess’s affidavit was written in
English. Although his later “memoirs” contain a claim that he spoke
English it is extremely unlikely that he had any idea what went into it.
At the Belsen trial, which also covered Auschwitz, the defence – which was
quite vigorous at times – alleged that many affidavits had been mistranslated
or that the witnesses were lying. In reality, both.
># 20. Is there any evidence of American, British and Soviet policy to
># torture German prisoners in order to exact “confessions” for
># use at the trials at Nuremberg and elsewhere?
># Yes. Torture was extensively used to produce fraudulent
># “evidence” for the infamous Nuremberg trials, and in other
># postwar “war crimes” trials.
>And the evidence for this claim is…? None, of course. Zero.
Don’t be an arsehold Dan, this is a matter of public record. The Van
Roden report has been discussed at length in this group. Streicher was
tortured at Nuremberg; the other defendants were, as Butz says, too
prominent to torture, but there is more than one way to skin a cat just
as there is more than one way to lie.
You’re living proof of that.
>Most trials of SS men who served in the death camps were held by
>the German legal system after the war. Did the Germans “torture”
>their countrymen also?
That’s a pretty dumb question even for you, Dan? Did the LA police beat
up Rodney King?
>Here’s a very partial list of SS men who testified about the
>mass murder in the death camps. Can Holocaust-deniers prove that
>one of them was “tortured”?
The point is not were they tortured Dan, but did they tell the court a)
what really happened or b) what they thought the court wanted to hear?
>Pery Broad (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Franz Hoessler (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Dr. Fritz Klein (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Dr. Konrad Morgen (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>Hans Stark (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
Many names deleted
Breitweiser was acquitted. He denied any knowledge that Zyklon B had
been used to kill human beings!
Broad was given 4 years; he obviously did tell the court what it wanted
to hear.
Morgen was an SS judge who had executed the Commandant of Buchenwald for
corruption. So much for those wicked Nazis. The purpose of his testimony
was to exonerate the SS and the story he told was a pack of lies, in
particular he placed the Auschwitz extermination facility at Monowitz.
Stark testified that he had executed some 200 people in a gassing who had
been sentenced by a Summary Court; he pleaded superior orders, saying that
Hoess had threatened to gas him too if he refused.
This is a consistent pattern with all this testimony: please sir, it wasn’t
me; please sir, I was under orders; please sir, I had to do it.
Almost the only two important players who admitted taking an active part in
the “gassings” were Kramer and Hoess. At first, Kramer denied all knowledge;
it may have been that he changed his mind because it came to light that he
had carried out the murders of a number of prisoners whose skeletons were
wanted for anatomical purposes. Gruesome as this is, it is not genocide. Hoess’s
testimony is full of contradictions, but it may have been that he thought
he was doomed anyway.
Neither Klein nor Hoessler admitted gassings; at the Belsen trial
Klein said: “I have heard, and I know, that part of them were sent to the
gas chambers and the crematoria.” ie of those who were unfit for work.
He said he went to the gas chamber once when it wasn’t working but that
he didn’t approve.
Please sir, it wasn’t me.
Hoessler testified that “Only doctors could make selections, and selections
could only be made on orders of higher authorities.”
Please sir, it wasn’t me. Both Klein and Hoessler were hanged.
># 21. How does the Holocaust story benefit Jews today?
># It helps protect Jews as a group from criticism. As a kind of
># secular religion, it provides an emotional bond between Jews
># and their leaders.
>Such things can be said about any group that was ever persecuted.
>One can, using such void “arguments”, argue that slavery never
>took place.
What about White Anglo-Saxon males? Come off it Dan, it’s a religion and
a big club used to batter the goyim over the head.
># It is a powerful tool in Jewish money-raising campaigns, and is
># used to justify US aid to Israel.
>The facts of the Holocaust were established before there was a
>country called “Israel”, and before the US gave it one cent.
Your “facts” maybe, that doesn’t alter the fact that it is still ruthlessly
exploited as the better among the Jews readily admit. That does not include
you it would seem. Many leading Rabbis have condemned the cynical and even
commercial exploitation of this most tragic period of all (not just Jewish)
history.
># 23. How is it used by many Christian clergymen?
># The Holocaust story is cited to justify the Old Testament
># notion of Jews as a holy and eternally persecuted “Chosen
># People.”
># 24. How did it benefit the Communists?
># It diverted attention from Soviet war mongering and atrocities
># before, during and after the Second World War.
It is also used by communist groups in the West to promote their perverted
ideology by claiming not to be communist but “anti-racist”. Racism, ie white
racial consciousness = gassed Jews. Almost any abrogation of individual rights
can and is justified under this spurious logic.
># 25. How does it benefit Britain?
Anyone who can say these lies have benefited Britain has been paying a little
too much attention to Willis Carto.
># 26. Is there any evidence that Hitler ordered mass extermination of
># Jews?
># No
>Eichmann said that Hitler, in 1941, ordered Himmler to “physically
>destroy the Jews”. Hitler also said the following, in a public
>speech:
Was that before or after he was tortured by the Mossad, Dan?
Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
>[Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals –
>Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
>—————————————————————
> Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish
>financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the
>nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be
>the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry,
>but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!
><end quote>
No Dan, the quote doesn’t end here as you know; I’ve already refuted this
lie in the newsgroup. For the full quote, readers are referred to the book
by Judge Staeglich.
“The first law for the historian is that he shall never dare utter an untruth.
The second is that he suppress nothing that is true.” Cicero
># 27. What kind of gas was used in German wartime concentration camps?
># Hydrocyanic gas from “Zyklon B,” a commercial pesticide that
># was widely used throughout Europe.
>This gas is cyanide gas, just like the gas used to this day in US
>execution gas chambers. It is no coincidence the SS used it to
>murder huge numbers of people.
Coincidence is not the word, Dan.
># 28. For what purpose was “Zyklon B” manufactured?
># It was a pesticide used to fumigate clothing and quarters to
># kill typhus-bearing lice and other pests.
>It obviously proved useful for other purposes as well.
Zyklon B was used by the German military since 1924
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:
> Who died and left Mr. Baron the spokesman for “most reasonable people?”
> Mr. Baron supposes that “most reasonable people” believe Hitler was not
> an anti-Semite! I suspect most reasonable people would find Mr.
> Baron’s definition of anti-Semitism to be non-existent.
Harry, I’ll be patient with you because I don’t tar you with the same
brush as Dan Keren. I never said Hitler was not an anti-Semite, I stated,
correctly, that his first reaction to anti-Semitism was one of revulsion.
I did say, and do believe, that he was nowhere near as obsessively anti-Semitic
as Julius Streicher, as even the Jewish Chronicle agreed before the outbreak
of World War II. I do admit though that is not much of a compliment.
> Unfortunately their incessant whining and wailing has managed to
> brainwash the greater part of humanity.
> In other words, the “greater part of humanity” does not include “most
> reasonable people” as the latter are not “brainwashed!” Apparently,
> Mr. Baaron’s contempt for Jews is matched only by his contempt for the
> rest of humanity as well. I suspect that by the phrase, “most
> reasonable people,” Mr. Baron meant only himself and those few friends
> who agree with him one hundred per cent.
I have read statements attributed to Jewish spokesmen – including in the
Jewish press – that up to one American in 5, one of 3 or even one in 2 is
anti-Semitic to some degree. However little you think of me I think you
must also agree that this is a disgraceful thing for anyone to say, and
an insult to your fellow citizens.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> > We have seen that the first extermination claims were
> > not based on one scrap of intelligence data.
> Although Butz could not have been expected to know this at the time he
> wrote, all three claims quoted above are now known to be false. Check out
> “Breaking the Silence” by Richard Breitman and Walter Laqueur. Quite
> early on – it may even be prior to the start of construction of the
> Kremas; as I just moved house my copy of the book is still buried in a
> stack of boxes so I cannot check – German industrialist and Allied spy
> Eduard Schulte learned of the plans to turn Auschwitz into an
> extermination center and traveled to Switzerland to carry the news out.
The first “extermination” claims were actually made by the Jewish Chronicle
in 1933!
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Actually, Al, I seem to remember that, in the material you gave me,
> Anglo-Hebrew publishing explicitly apologizes for their editing and
> spelling errors, and mentions that these problems are due to their
> inadequate resources for careful copy-editing, etc…
A standard disclaimer, ie any errors are ours. What’s wrong with that?
Alexander Baron
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> The point I was addressing was not whether you excuse the Nazis for
> mass murder–which you do–but that you also excused them for
> persecuting Jews under the anti-Jewish laws. If you have changed your
> mind on this and now agree that the anti-Jewish laws caused tremendous
> hardships for Jews, good.
Please tell me when and where I have ever excused the persecution of any
minority. Except homosexuals.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
There is only one lawsuit
> pending and ‘sub judice.’ Mr. Baron will lose it too.
Wrong again, Harry, there is not only one suit pending.
Now don’t address me again until you have answered my question about
Suzman and Diamond, Harry frightened old man and Jewish apologist Mazal.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 15:58:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> And you know that they are liars because. . . ?
Because I’ve read the War Refugee Board Report, that’s how.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 15:58:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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> As far as your “challenge” goes. Didn`t you call someone Jewboy ?
I also called Sarah a dumb broad. If you claim that my using the phrase
Jew boy means I hate Jews you must also conclude that I hate women. Anyone
who knows me will tell you that is not true.
Last week when I referred to one of my neighbours as an old c*** you might
have claimed that I hate elderly people. A ridiculous claim.
A while ago when I called some schoolkids noisy brats you might by the
same token have accused me of hating schoolboys. Again, this is not true.
By the same token, I don’t see anything wrong with slagging off a Jew now
and then. And for the record I have made not a few impolite comments about
the Germans in my time. In particular I think they are an arrogant race.
> May we call you Church of E Boy
If you like, but I am a lifelong atheist.
> The system of slave labour was also a mayor aspect of the “Reich” and is
> very well documented.
I have never denied that the Nazis used “forced” labour. By the same token
the Nazis – and the Allies – put men in uniform, often against their will,
and sent them off to kill strangers. If you had a choice would you rather
a) fight at the front and kill people with a chance that you would be killed
youself or b) go to a concentration camp? It’s not much of a choice, but
neither is war.
> As a historian
I’m not a historian and have never claimed to be one.
> Getting back to you as a person,you put aside Mass Killings in the
> Baltics,Ukraine and Poland as mere Wartime Atrocities.
As these atrocities happened during a war I think this a reasonable thing
to say. By the same token you could also refer to Hiroshima as a “mere”
wartime atrocity.
> How insensitive can one get ?
I didn’t challenge you to prove me insensitive, I challenged you to prove me
anti-Jewish.
> Sorry Mr.Baron you have lost.
You have proved nothing.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sat Sep 30 15:58:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Pictures Of SS Women
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From: [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
Subject: PICTURE FILE: SS-Women in Belsen
This is a photograph of some of the SS-women who
served in the Belsen camp. One can decide for
himself if they appear “emaciated” or “tortured”.
One can compare their appearance to the sight
of the tens-of-thousands of emaciated corpses
of the inmates in the camp. It may be a good
lesson to our revisionazis.
Re the above: you really are one prize arsehole, Dan. This photo appears
in Professor Butz’s book. I have seen the original at the Imperial War Museum.
If I recall, it was taken on the day of or a day or two after the liberation.
It’s very clever, it reminds me a bit of the Nazi propaganda film THE ETERNAL
JEW which used selected scenes of unpleasant looking Jews interspersed with
rats.
I’ve just finished reading the autobiography of Albert Pierrepoint, the
world famous hangman. He hanged Kramer, and probably most of this lot too.
He remarks in his book that Kramer, who was a big bull of a man, was portrayed
in the propaganda of the time as literally the Beast of Belsen, as a shambling
gorilla. No doubt he was also guyed so by some hate-filled little Jew in
the Hollywood film crew who took the photos of Dachau, including of the “gas
chamber”.
Of course, this was to be expected at the time, but you are not blinded by
propaganda Dan, only by your own hatred, and like the people I am in litigation
with, you have long since become everything you claim to despise, in particular
a smouldering cauldron of hatred for the society you hold responsible for the
historic persecution of your race.
I know you’ll never believe I’m not an anti-Semite Dan, no matter what I say,
nothing will convince you of that. The plain truth though is that I don’t hate
you, I pity you.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 1 00:54:11 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Protocols
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> But why is it worthless as an historical document? Please do give us
> your detailed assesment. How does it relate to there similar stories
> of atrocities carried out at Auschwitz? How does it relate to the mass
> of testimonies, documents, and physical evidence about Auschwitz?
I can’t find my copy at the moment but if I recall he mentioned something
about gassings in Belsen. People who write drivel like that don’t carry
much weight as scholars.
> >Our government recently spent 13 million pounds of National Lottery money
> >on acquiring the library of Winston Churchill when there are people sleeping
> >homeless on the streets of London. It’s not only the Nazis who had
> >false priorities and who make people’s stomachs turn.
> Oh. That makes it alright then, does it? By the same token, I suppose
> that any further French nuclear tests will excuse the National
> Lottery’s expenditure. And if the Iraqis slaughter some more Kurds, or
> vice versa, the French will be excused. It is good to know that one’s
> sins can be expiated by the sins of others. I’ll be sure to remind the
> judge of that if I get a speeding ticket.
No it doesn’t excuse any of it, what I’m challenging is the assumed uniqueness
of Nazi – or in many instances – German – evil. This line of argument really
is naive.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 1 00:54:12 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Bottom line on the Holocaust ™
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> [email protected] (HAPLO) wrote:
> >>No authoritative source has ever claimed that 4,000,000 Jews perished
> >>at Auschwitz. That number was put on a plaque at the Auschwitz Museum
> >>by the former Communist government of Poland. It has since been
> > This is an Out-right Lie. There has been many Jewish historians that
> >have claimed the 4 million figure. Just look at the encyclopedic
> >dictionary of judaica. They claim the 4 million figure. So your
> >statement is a lie. Will you retract it??????
There have also been survivors who claimed it, including highly educated
people.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 1 00:54:13 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> So scared of Harry Mazal. Pathetic.
No, he has slandered me gratuitously, accused me of sending him forged
documents, has not had the decency to retract, even when Mike Stein pointed
out he was in error. He has also refused to admit, in the face of
irrefutable evidence, that 2 South African Zionists lied through their teeth
about “gassed” victims in Dachau. There are minds in this newsgroup far
superior to Harry Mazal who can take up my challenge. Bring them on.
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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