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Baron 5 part 1,Baron Al

Joseph L Poulin writes:
In article <[email protected]>
[email protected]
> Not true. The Hitler was freely elected. Of course, after
> being elected, he faked the Reichstag fire and took complete power, but
> in the beginning he was elected.
Sefton Delmer, who was certainly in a position to know, said the lunatic
van der Lubbe started the fire on his own and that it was exploited by both
the Nazis and the Communists.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:31 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: c3w Auschwitz 4,000,000 v @ 1,000,000?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Henry Ayre” writes:
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> ># I don’t think you can take seriously anything said, allegedly or
> ># otherwise, by either Eichmann or Hoess.
> >Why not?
For the same reason I can’t take anything you say seriously, they have
no credibility.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:32 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Al Baron Comedy Hour
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Charles Freedberg ” writes:
> It is obvious that Mr. Baron can make, but not take, a joke.
1) I take it then that you have never claimed that I advocate the murder of
Jews?
2) Do you find the murder of Jews humorous? A joke, as you called it?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Yet another personal attack …
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> PS – according to Nazi laws, a Jew who was accused of having sex
> with a “pure-blooded German woman” was sentenced to death. I have
> some transcripts from a trial in which a Jewish man (Katzenberger)
> was tried for this.
What about the man who sent a letter to a Jewish lawyer addressed “To the
Jew lawyer”. The Jew sued him and he was fined 25 Marks.
–
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAUST
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I have finally seen this photograph, and yes it is plain that the
> *faces* of the women have been painted in. Now I ask, so what? Were
> the women not naked and not Auschwitz because somebody drew in faces
> after the developing washed them out? What do you think this proves?
These were older women who were “beautified”. We have no proof that these
photographs were taken where and when they were said to have been taken, and we
certainly have no proof, nor even evidence, that they were on their way to be
gassed
> >> You have also hinted that photographs of piles of shoes (or was
> >> it boots) are fake. What photographs are these, and what is your
> >> proof that they are fake?
I didn’t hint, I stated outright. They are in several books – see below
> >They don’t look real; take a closer look in Walendy, Sehn (1957) or th
> >Pictorial History of the Holocaust.
> >> # Re the L’Express article, I sent a copy to Jeff Roberts and
> >> # I’m hoping he’ll scan it in. In English.
> Why bother? I saw a translation of the L’Express article here a couple
> of weeks ago (courtesy of Gord McFee? repost?). It doesn’t say what
> Irving wants it to say. All that it says is that the reconstruction of
> Krema I is inaccurate in certain details. It doesn’t say that Krema I
> was a fake or that no one was gassed there.
Perhaps you can post it then. The whole article. I can’t read French.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joseph L Poulin” writes:
> Not true. The Hitler was freely elected. Of course, after
> being elected, he faked the Reichstag fire and took complete power, but
> in the beginning he was elected.
Sefton Delmer, who was certainly in a position to know, said the lunatic
van der Lubbe started the fire on his own and that it was exploited by both
the Nazis and the Communists.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: ‘A gassing experiment was carried out’
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> On what evidence do you reject it?
“Scepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.”
“The police invent more than they detect.” Napoleon
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A Couple of Answers to M Stein, D Keren and Others
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In article <[email protected]>
> I’ve asked on a number of occasions for specific instances of Rudy Vrba
> “lying.” Each time, all I’ve received from Mr. baron is, “Read it
> yourself. Who could believe that crap?”
> And when I responded that I did read it and did believe it, I got a
> sarcastic insult.
I would call you a liar, but I’ll be charitable and suggest that like me your
memory is a little fallible:
1) Vrba claimed to have witnessed gassings for 40 years; at the Zundel trial
he admitted he hadn’t.
2) The War Refugee Board Report – for which Vrba is credited as the main author –
contains information which, even if accurate, he couldn’t have known about.
3) There are serious discrepancies between the WRB report and his book.
4) He describes a visit to the camp by Himmler which didn’t take place.
5) He describes an air raid that didn’t take place.
6) He describes having a love affair in the camp, which, if true, means that
he certainly didn’t have such a rough time of it.
7) His book is virtually unreadable and no serious historian would give it
any credibility at all as an historical document; he admitted himself that it
was an artistic impression.
Satisfied?
Now, about that real estate in Florida…
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:36 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Ken McAvay – correction advice
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The pamphlet I mentioned – LETTERS TO MY DAUGHTER – actually runs to 13
pages rather than a mere 8. That’s 5 more pages of whining, wailing and lies.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> You know, maybe if you HAD been a Jew in Nazi Germany, you might
> understand the implications of what you’re saying. But I doubt it.
Private Jewish banks operated in Germany until 1938. In 1940 the Nazis
executed 18 people in Belgium, including 4 soldiers, for anti-Jewish excesses.
> If you were a Palestinian in modern Israel, you’d be protesting, shouting,
> throwing rocks at policemen, and maybe even working for some sort of
> detente with the Israelis.
> If you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, you’d be dead.
The Nazis DID NOT murder Jews in peacetime. Contrary to the assertions
of some of the people in this group I have never and would never condone Nazi
atrocities against Jews or anyone. You, on the other hand, don’t seem to give
a monkey’s about human rights abuses committed by Jews against Palestinians.
–
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:38 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> Can you explain the point of this? I cannot identify anything in this article
> that would support your claims about the Holocaust. The only reason I can see
> for you posting it is that you think it may stir up a little more bigotry in
> the world.
One of my claims about the Holocaust is that certain Jews have exaggerated it.
Here is proof that some of them did. Very likely this was the tip of an iceberg.
How many more people who were reported “gassed” weren’t gassed, or perhaps didn’t
even exist?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Sep 1 14:22:39 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article <[email protected]> ** none ** writes:
> As for Deir Yassein: there are two sides to the story. The other version states
> that a group of Arabs started shooting at the Jews a=
> fter the civilians had already surrendered.
There are two sides to every story, and as usual, Zionist speaks with
forked tongue. No, I’m not calling you personally a liar. Try reading the
excellent book ARABS AND ISRAEL FOR BEGINNERS by the American Jew Ron David.
He’s not even an anti-Zionist, but he is certainly one angry man. He says
that anyone who has done the basic research on the Arab-Israeli conflict
cannot for one moment believe the Israeli side “mother goose is more believable
than that”. Which is the way I feel about the Holocaust. David accepts all that
at face value by the way, human soap and all. Check him out.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Keith Morrison” writes:
> An autopsy, I thought, was generally used to determine the cause of death
> with certainty. Throwing a few people (living) in a room, adding HCN and
> then removing said people (dead) from the room would tend to indicate to me
> that they died due to cyanide poisoning (feel free to substitute CO for
> HCN), thus rendering an autopsy somewhat, shall we say, academic.
Yet again you are affirming the consequent, or circulus in probando, or some
other fallacy. You assume these people were gassed. There has never beem any
evidence that they were, much less proof.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond
From [email protected] Sat Sep 2 14:04:16 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron on the Value of Testimony (Re: THE WITNESS THE REVISIONIS
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In article <Pine[email protected]>
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> Thank you, Mr. Baron, for offering this as an example of evidence being
> manipulated. As a matter of fact, the history of that particular fraud
> has been well documented; I’ll happily go research the specifics.
If you can give me a printed reference I’d be most grateful; I’ll use this
as part of my ongoing research.
> Do you see the difference between
> this example and your claim that accounts of the Holocaust and Stalinist
> purges “have been manipulated”? This manipulation was exposed, and can
> be independently verified by a number of different means.
Yes, but just because a lie hasn’t been EXPOSED – in reality denounced by
the media and the powers that be doesn’t mean it is anything but a lie.
You know as well as I do that certain subjects are taboo in our society;
for example, all Revisionists are branded Nazis, liars ad nauseum by the media,
largely under pressure (and fear) from powerful Jewish and self-styled anti-
fascist (in reality socialist) organisations.
> Any conspiracy of any breadth leaves evidence, usually plenty of it–in
> the case you cite, a false claim about Kuwaiti babies being left to die
> was all that was being faked by the perpetrators. And that false claim
> was exposed because the attempt to fool the public left evidence.
There is plenty of false evidence regarding the Holocaust for those who
are not wilfully blind.
> Can you document any of your claims of “manipulation” of Holocaust
> evidence as well as the journalists who exposed the Iraqui-incubator
> story documented the manipulation of that case?
Well, the human soap lie was reiterated to the world in January and was
not in the slightest bit condemned by the media. Survivors are constantly
presented to the world as living proof of Nazi genocide – even though most
of their testimony proves nothing. The pictures of Belsen and Dachau are still
presented to the public as the PROOF of genocide. On top of that you have
all manner of media bias and outright lies which surely even you can see.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sat Sep 2 14:04:18 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “David Weigel” writes:
> I was unable to find “The Sexual Dead-End”, excellent or otherwise, by a
> Stephen Green in either my local library, Books In Print or in recent book
> review catalogs. (The only Stephen Greens I found were a psychiatrist who
> writes about depression and a Vermonter who wrote, “Taking Sides: America’s
> Secret Relations with a Militant Israel” (1984).) Can you provide some
> specific (or locatable) evidence from that obscure (in the USA, anyway) text
> to support your striking belief?
If I recall it was Green’s book, but it’s no big secret; these sick, demented
human dung beetles are the lowest form of life on this planet. When I was
researching A GOY PRIES INTO THE TALMUD which I co-wrote with one of my
anti-Zionist Rabbi friends, the Rabbi concerned told me that in Jewish Hell
(Gehinom) a special place is reserved for sodomites who will burn there for all
eternity. That kind of endeared me to the Jewish religion which is why however
much I may attack Zionist Jews I will never say anything the slighest bit
untoward about the men in black hats and caftans.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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I must apologise, the reason I have questioned the gassing claims is because
the Vatican has never acknowledged them. I have now discovered the truth. In
his remarkable book BEHOLD A PALE HORSE, William Cooper reveals that in the
1940s the future Pope John Paul II was a salesman for IG Farben. It was him
who sold the Nazis the gas, and in 1978 the Illuminati murdered the Pope so
that he could take his place as head of the New World Order.
Cooper’s book really is an eye opener; I even learnt that Adam Weishaupt
founded the Order of the Illuminati in the same year he wrote THE WEALTH
OF NATIONS. Oh boy, with geniuses like Cooper on their side, how could
anyone ever doubt the Exterminationists’ claims?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 09:17:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Zionist Definition Of Anti-Semitism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Barry Shein” writes:
> Have you ever heard England referred to as “Perfidious Albion”? It’s a
> fairly common, if nasty, expression right? (for those wondering
> “perfidious” means treacherous and disloyal and albion is an old, old
> reference to England itself.)
I have frequently denounced the British for their hypocrisy, bullshit and
a great many other things. Curiously enough, no one has ever accused me of
being a bigot on account of it.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 09:17:54 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: RE: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> Well, good, we’re finally getting to your theory: all evidence of the
> existence of the holocaust, you say, is a fabrication.
No, no, no I have never said that! I have said that SOME evidence is
fabricated but that a lot of the “evidence” doesn’t mean what people claim
it means. If a young boy disappeared off the street into thin air, Eustace
Mullins would say he had been kidnapped by Jews and ritually murdered, Charles
Berlitz would say that he had been kidnapped by Martians. A policeman would
say, until further evidence was available, that a young boy had gone missing.
The biggest con trick is to flash around pictures of Belsen “atrocity”
photographs and use this as PROOF that the Nazis gassed Jews. Yet when you
examine the evidence it says something entirely different. Dig?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 09:17:55 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Lying Al Baron the Bigot is at it again. You don’t “condone” anything;
> you just
> deny that the murders ever happened. Are you now telling us that Kristallnacht
> never happened? Or that the Nazis didn’t do it? Or that Jews weren’t murdered
> on that terrible night? Or that there was a war going on in 1938?
> Are you going to explain how you contradicted yourself in two consecutive
> sentences? Or are you just going to tell us the ADL made it up and once upon a
> time on St. Bartholomew’s Night . . . . .
The Kristallnacht was NOT ordered by the Nazis, it was a spontaneous reaction;
I would compare it with the LA riots. As with the LA riots there was genuine a
genuine grievance, the fact that four police officers had half murdered Rodney
King and walked out of the court room free to do it again. There was also a
lot of looting and freebooting. If you read the press reports of Kristallnacht,
the London Times for example, you get an entirely different picture.
I thought that the Night of St Bartholomew was Dracula, when he dined amongst
the cadavers.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 09:17:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> # What about the man who sent a letter to a Jewish lawyer
> # addressed “To the Jew lawyer”. The Jew sued him and he was
> # fined 25 Marks.
> And when did this take place?
c1935, it’s one of many amazing things I found in the Jewish Chronicle.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 09:17:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:

> Excerpts from Opinion and Sentence of the Nuernberg Special Court in
> the Katzenberger Case
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals –
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. III, 653-663]
> ——————————————————————–
> Findings:
> 1. The defendant Katzenberger is fully Jewish and a German national; he
> is a member of the Jewish religious community…
> As the only feasible answer to the frivolous conduct of the defendant,
> the court therefore deems it necessary to pronounce the death sentence
> as the heaviest punishment provided by section 4 of the decree
> against public enemies…
Off-hand I would say this is a fake; there was though one case where a Jew
was victimised for reasons other than his race; I can’t recall the details
at the moment but will check it out when I have time.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 09:17:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: CREMATION RATE OF 4,400 at Birkenau LUDICROUS says EXPERT
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Yet another repost from Roberts! At least, he is not posting
> forgeries such as the “Muller document”, just plain rubbish!
Neither I nor Roberts would knowingly endorse any kind of forgery or fraud,
unlike some people in this newsgroup. As soon as this came to my attention I
drew it to his; we have had long discusions about this in private mail and
on the phone. We both find it inexcusable and disturbing. I can’t say the same
for people on your side of the fence who likewise refuse to face facts. I am
still waiting for an apology and retraction from Harry Mazal and will wait till
the cows come home for that or for any Exterminationist to have the good
grace to admit that he was conned.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:23:03 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sharpfang” writes:
> A Simple Experiment….
> It is common knowledge that blacks and browns are
> broadly inferior in numerous areas;
Heavyweight boxing, for example.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:25:23 PDT 1995
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:27:52 PDT 1995
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:33:23 PDT 1995
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:40 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay OBC” writes:
> No-one is silenced here.
That’s not true Ken, and you know it. Zundel was slienced in Canada. Last
year an American professor was booted out of her job because she wanted to
teach “the Nazi side” as well.
The ways people are silenced are often far more subtle, ADL smear campaigns
and the like, and if you dispute this you really are not to be taken seriously.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:41 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “ibokor” writes:
> Columbus’ ship in thhe harbour at Barcelona is a reconstruction.
> does that mean Columbus did not set sail in 1492 and reach the
> shores of today’s Puerto Rico (I believe that’s where he landed,
> but I could be wrong.)
Columbus’s ship was real and was reconstructed; therefore the Auschwitz
gas chamber was real. What about Jurassic Park?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:42 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Genocide did take place in Belsen and Dachau. I plan, BTW, to
> scan many more photographs from them and other camps, and
> load them to an ftp site.
Oh no it didn’t! And that’s official.
—
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:42 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Rick Savage” writes:

> Harry Katz ([email protected]) wrote:
> : THE TALMUD AND PEDERASTY
> : CONCLUSION
> : Everyone knows that the statistics demonstrate a
> : paucity of such behavior among Jews, a testament to the high moral standards
> of
> : the majority in the Jewish community.>
> I guess I missed out when “everyone” was presented with these
> statistics of “high moral standards” of the MAJORITY in the Jewish
> community.
> I haven’t seen the majority of the Jewish community up in arms to see
> all 50 states re-introduce the death penalty for Homosexuality, child
> molestation, and related crimes outlawed with captical punishments in the
> Bible. They have been on the opposite side of the fence opposing those
> who do.
Harry Katz is a real Jew, not some little scumbag Zionist hatemonger who
just happens to be “of Jewish origin”. There is a big difference. The Jewish
Question is a political issue, not a religious one.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:43 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Insane Hatered (Re: Baron’s gay criminals?)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> [About homosexuals]
> # these sick, demented human dung beetles are the lowest form of
> # life on this planet.
> Why does Baron hate homosexuals so much? The more you read
> what this guy writes, the more he seems to be a sick, hateful
> person. In case someone plans to reply “but why are you so much
> against Baron?” – I think he’s a scumbag, but that’s my
> opinion about the *individual* Baron, it is bases solely on
> his opinions, and not on his race, his religion, his sexual
> practices, his color etc.
Sorry Dan, I didn’t realise you were queer.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:44 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> On the other hand, you _are_ a liar and and an anti-Semite. You have
> demostrated this with your own words again and again. In fact, that has been
> true of virtually every one of your fellow deniers who has posted here. Your
> posturing as an innocent searcher after truth against whom “Organized Jewry”
> conspires is, in fact, one of the most nauseating facets of your bigoted act.
My dear fellow, Organised Jewry in this country HAS conspired against me
and IS conspiring against me at this very moment. I have named specific
individuals in my publications rather than rail at Jews in the abstract.
If you want confirmation of the power of Organised Jewry I suggest you
contact the Neturei Karta anti-Zionist sect. Ask them about their books
Genocide in the Holy Land and The Holocaust Victims Accuse. Ask them about
the Rabbis who were murdered by the Zionists; ask them about the Zionist
sponsored pogroms in Iraq. Ask them if all Jews are poor, persecuted, powerless
people and see what they say.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Umm, that didn’t quite answer the question, now did it? After your
> diatribe is ommitted your reply seems to be: “If I recall it was Green’s
> book…” Well, this seems like a bit of waffling to me, as you were
> informed no such book could be found. Is this to be taken that you _can’t_
> provide any such evidence, outside of “if I recall,” that the book
> actually exists?
Try contacting some anti-homo group; there are a few in the US; there’s one
calle Homosexuals Anonymous; they don’t get much publicity though. There have
been a number of well-known homosexual serial killers: the ghoulish Jeffrey
Dahmer; John Gacy; Denis Nilsen, Michael Lupo and quite a few others.
Considering that queers make up such a small percentage of the
population – queer propaganda aside – they are vastly over-represented.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 14:37:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Irving Now Says FOUR MILLION Jews Died?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> It was reported that in a July 27, 1995, live appearance on an
> Australian radio program, David Irving, the “leading revisionist
> scholar” who is quoted very often by our revisionazis here, said
> that 4 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazi regime during
> WW2. Does anyone know more on this?
Yes, I do.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 23:21:51 PDT 1995
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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 23:21:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 23:21:54 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Rick Savage” writes:

> Harry Katz ([email protected]) wrote:
> : THE TALMUD AND PEDERASTY
> : CONCLUSION
> : Everyone knows that the statistics demonstrate a
> : paucity of such behavior among Jews, a testament to the high moral standards
> of
> : the majority in the Jewish community.
> I guess I missed out when “everyone” was presented with these
> statistics of “high moral standards” of the MAJORITY in the Jewish
> community.
> I haven’t seen the majority of the Jewish community up in arms to see
> all 50 states re-introduce the death penalty for Homosexuality, child
> molestation, and related crimes outlawed with captical punishments in the
> Bible. They have been on the opposite side of the fence opposing those
> who do.
Harry Katz is a real Jew, not some little scumbag Zionist hatemonger who
just happens to be “of Jewish origin”. There is a big difference. The Jewish
Question is a political issue, not a religious one.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 23:21:55 PDT 1995
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 23:21:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 3 23:21:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:11 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Maczuga Kaus – assimilated cat3wog ” writes:
> Also, Richard Plant (Op-Ed), Nov 7) speaks of the ‘”shared agony”
> of homosexuals and Jews. Undoubtedly, German homosexuals
> were put into Nazi concentration camps. There were about 20,000
> such individuals, out of a German gay population estimated to be
> 1.5 million in 1933.
Lies and propaganda, there were never that many faggots in Germany; this
is typical, blatant, queer propaganda.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:12 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <42h[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> One never knows, but maybe at one point in his life Baron was seduced,
> sodomized and robbed of his human dignity by some predatory homosexualist.
> This would certainly explain his anger today.
On the other hand, maybe he simply doesn’t like dung beetles and isn’t
afraid to say so. Like Robert Mugabe.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:13 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> I’m sorry, but I have to demur here. I have also had private email
> discussions with both Roberts and Baron on this subject, and I have no
> cause to doubt their word on this. I have criticized both men for what I
> consider poor reasoning and ignoring rebuttal information, but I have seen
> no real evidence that they have wilfully posted something they knew to be
> untrue or are willing to do so.
Again Mike, you’re a wonderful human being, and when I’m elected Fuhrer I’ll
make you my Court Jew. At the risk of boring everybody I’ll say it again:
if you can believe in the Resurrection you can believe in anything. Even
the Holocaust.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:13 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: A Question Of Priorities
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$PM blocks probe as more atrocities come to light$, published in
the $Jewish Chronicle$, August 25, 1945,
reports among other things the murder of 49 Egyptian prisoners on
Sinai in 1956, an admission by a retired officer. Rabin
rejected a call for an inquiry into the atrocities because “There
were aberrations on both sides…There is no purpose in raising
events in the past…Raising the issue embarrasses the Arabs as
well.”
Heck, they should have told Kramer!
$US neo-Nazi to be extradited to Germany$, by Regina Wosmitza,
published in the $Jewish Chronicle$, September 1, 1995
Gary (Gerhard) Lauck, currently held by Danish police, faces
extradition to Germany and a possible five year sentence for
distributing “illegal racist propaganda and Nazi symbols”. He is
said to have called Jews worms and rats.
Moral: it is more evil by far to call Jews nasty names than it is
to murder Arabs.
It was only when I read these articles that I realised what a thoroughly
evil person I am. Please forgive me Dr Keren for calling Alan Fink a
“Jew boy”. Gosh, I’m glad I didn’t call him a rat, I could be in prison
by now. And I’d deserve it.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:14 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wilhelm Bahr (Neuengamme)
> Pery Broad (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
> Dr. Fritz Klein (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
> Dr. Konrad Morgen (Auschwitz-Birkenau)
> Otto Ohlendorf (Nazi-occupied USSR, “gas vans”)
> Franz Stangl (Treblinka)
> I am asking again:
> Do you have any proof, whatsoever, that the testimony of any of
> these people is not true?
Re the above, I haven’t studied them all but you’re on stony ground. A) It
is not for me to prove that they didn’t lie. Pery Broad see Staeglich and
Pressac, who both find his testimony unconvincing. I’ll get round to Klein
soon as I’m studying this, but it is interesting to note that “selections” were
also made in Belsen, yet nobody was “gassed” there. Morgen is the judge who
arrested Koch; unfortunately, he claimed that the Auschwitz gassings were
done at Monowitz not Birkenau! He seems to have wanted to absolve the SS.
Ohlendorf I’ll look up again, but he was an IMT defendant.
Stangl is the subject of Sereny’s book, which has just a couple of very brief
references to gassings. I think probably Stangl was guilty of “war crimes” and
went along with the gassing claims in the hope that he would get parole. I don’t
think he admitted steaming anyone to death as was claimed!
Now let me ask you a question a) were any site inspections made at these trials?
I know for a fact that none was made of Auschwitz at the Belsen trial where
Klein was sentenced to death. You see, the burden of proof really isn’t on me.
–
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:15 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Schwarzhuber Testifies About Gassing in Ravensbrueck
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Ah well, the classic technique of Baron the Bigot to avoid answering a
> direct
> question. Specifically, try and change the topic by throwing out some
> nonsensical charge. No, Lyin’ Al the the subject is you. You opened your
> mouth
> and stuck your foot — already thoroughly soaked with your own saliva — in.
> It is
Not a nonsensical charge, a factual one. Try reading her hysterical polemic
against Revisionism in Commentary and you’ll see what I mean.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Sep 6 16:56:16 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Barry Shein” writes:
> From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] “Robert J. Bennett” writes:
> > And what by the way was the genuine grievance that you allude
> >> to?
> >Probably the same genuine grievance all the shopkeepers in LA suffered.
> >They didn’t beat up Rodney King. By the same token none of the Jewish
> >shopkeepers shot Ernst Rohm; it’s always the innocent who suffer. I speak
> >from experience.
> I think you mean Heydrich not Rohm but I could be wrong, just off the
> top of my head.
Sorry, I meant Ernst vom Rath. I hope you get the point though.
—
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> It’s interesting to note, BTW, that some “leading revisionists”
> have fully justified the Nazi murder in Lidice, and even claimed
> it was in accordance with “International law”(!!). These
> revisionazis are just full of surprises.
don’t be a fool Keren, war is legalised murder. I believe the British and
others carried out reprisals too. That doesn’t justify Lidice but it does
prove that war is a dirty business. Heydrich was actually murdered by the
British.
—
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> Mr. Baron, I’ve already told you n times that (1) I have no intention
> of buying any of your books; (2) I am unfortunately unable to conduct
> inter-library loans to obtain them. You are quite aware that I will
> thus not be able to look up this “full reference.”
> Why don’t you just pull the book off your shelf, flip to this “full
> reference,” and type it in. It can’t possibly be more than a line or
> two. How long could it take?
If you want to read my book either buy it or order it. If I were in this
for the money I’d have packed up years ago. You get praise for spreading your
gospel, I get derision and slander for spreading mine.
—
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Sep 7 17:41:34 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:

>the chief value of photographs is to
Brainwash people like you into unconditional acceptance of Holocaust propaganda
by playing on your emotions. You’re obviously a decent sort in spite of your
constant slagging me off.
> You also claim that the existing evidence
> for the Holocaust does not say what we think. Working with a single
> item of evidence, can you at long last tell us what you think it does
> say? Have you got anything more substantial to say about any of the
> evidence other than “off hand it seems like a forgery to me?”
It says a lot of people died from typhus and starvation and a certain amount
of brutality. Nothing else.
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> You never provide citations that are adequate for people to check. It
> is your regular habit to change the subject when challenged for
> information–just as you have done here.
Never? A gross exaggeration, surely. When I do provide citations you
simply change the subject. About the only Exterminationist in this group
who has any integrity at all is Mike Stein. Oh, and Jamie McCarthy once
retracted something he’d said.
> So spare us the breast-beating, and tell Mr. Edeiken where you read
> about the professor in question.
Dr Christine Jeffrey was fired under pressure from the ADL from Kennesaw
College, Georgia. This was last year, I think. I’m surprised you haven’t
heard of it.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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$The Queen, on the prosecution of John Colin Campbell Jordan –
v – Maurice Ludmer$
Judgment delivered 30th December, 1976 (272)

I have to announce that the restrictions on reporting have been
removed.
This case was heard before me on the 21st September, the 3rd of
November and the 8th December.
In this case the prosecution asks for the committal for trial
to the Crown Court of the defendant, Maurice Ludmer, on two
charges of criminal libel, contrary to Section 5 of the Libel
Act, 1843. The defence has submitted that no such committal
should take place and I have to rule on that submission.
The prosecution has been conducted by the informant, John Colin
Campbell Jordan, in person. He has laid the informations, he says
he has been libelled, and he had conducted the prosecution in
Court, as well, of course, as giving evidence himself on oath.
Let me say at once that he has conducted the prosecution with
courtesy, restraint and, for a layman, considerable skill. The
defence has had the advantage of being represented by Mr. Geffen
with his usual skill and enthusiasm. It is however, perhaps
unwise, for an advocate personally to identify himself too close-
ly with his client’s case.
The alleged libels are in exactly the same words in each case
and appeared in two pamphlets or booklets, one published sometime
since June, 1974 and called “A Well-Oiled Nazi Machine” and the
other published in April, 1975 and called “Searchlight”. It
appears to be proved and not now denied that the defendant was
the publisher of the pamphlets.
The important words in these two pamphlets are :-
“It was this building that housed the National Socialist
Movement and where plans to bomb and attack the Jewish
Community were hatched by Jordan, his wife and their S.S.
Groups”.
These words appear to charge a conspiracy to commit malicious
damage, arson and murder and are prima facie libellous. Mr.
Jordan, on oath, has denied that he has ever been a party to any
such plans or conspiracy. He says the words are completely un-
true. He says the allegation is likely to provoke a breach of the
peace. He says he has never advocated the attainment of political
power by violence.
Mr. Jordan was extensively cross-examined by Mr. Geffen as to
his work and there is no doubt that for many years he has been
involved in politics of an extremist kind. So, it would appear,
but at the other end of the scale, have been the writers of the
two pamphlets, whether actually the defendant publisher, or other
persons. Persons who engage in this kind of activity must not be
too thin skinned and must expect to receive hard blows in a
metaphorical sense. The words complained of are serious libels
but are they more likely to lead to public disorder and breach of
the peace than the rest of these pamphlets? It is also said by
the defence that in fact Mr. Jordan is a man of violence, con-
trary to his evidence. It is true that he has been to prison
twice, once, after a series of appeals, for one month, and once
for nine months. Both these charges were under the Public Order
Act, but he says no actual violence was involved.
I am asked by Mr. Geffen (Whose submission is not really a
submission in law) to say that this is a case where the time of
the Judge and jury at the Crown Court should not be occupied,
that no injury to the public has been shown, and that there is no
reasonable apprehension of public disorder or breach of the peace
resulting from the alleged libels.
There are no merits on the part of the defendant in this sub-
mission. The pamphlets seem to me to be scurrilous and disreput-
able. But would any useful purpose be served by committing Ludmer
to the Crown Court and taking up the time of that Court by seek-
ing to get him convicted and punished? One has to take into
account also that the circulation of these publications is prob-
ably very restricted. I think no useful purpose would be served.
I think that, however libellous, these are some of the harsh
words to be expected by those who engage in this kind of extrem-
ist politics. That Mr. Jordan himself is capable of extremely
offensive publications is shown by the dreadful letter produced
by the defence and written to a Mr. Bidwell, a Member of Parlia-
ment, and exhibited as Exhibit 16.
In the result I do not intend to commit the defendant for
trial. I do not think any useful purpose would be served by
taking up the time of a Judge and jury in listening to the kind
of arguments that went on before me in the course of cross-exami-
nation of Mr. Jordan by Mr. Geffen. Mr. Jordan has had the satis-
faction of denying before me on oath that he is a man of violence
and that he ever took part in any such conspiracy as was referred
to in the passages in the pamphlets and I am sure that publicity
will be given to that denial and that that will serve to provide
him with the remedy he seeks.
There is one feature of the pamphlet “Searchlight” which was
not referred to before me, but which I regard as grave and sinis-
ter. The pamphlet is headed on the front “Defend Democracy –
expose the Racists and Extremists”, and on the back it purports
to be “A monthly Anti-Fascist bulletin”. Yet on the back it
prints, publishes, advertises in large letters “Forthcoming
Racist Marches, Meetings etc” and gives a list of the dates and
places of meetings of the National Front and other similar orga-
nisations.
What purpose can there be in advertising your opponents’ meet-
ings except for the purpose of attending them and creating disor-
der and perhaps violence? This seems to me to be an attempt to
stir up trouble.
As I said, I see no merits in the defendant’s case, but I do
not propose to commit for trial. The defendant will be dis-
charged.
An application by Mr. Geffen for additional costs, over and
above those allowed upon Legal Aid taxation (the defendant being
Legally Aided) was refused.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
stephane.bruch[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:

> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> >I should have been more precise, and mentioned that Germany,
> >France, and Austria have laws forbidding Holocaust denial.
> >There may be others, of which I am unaware.
“Racist” South Africa.
—
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> The main reason is that such a tiny amount of cyanide gas
> causes death.
That is palpable nonsense; forensic science is not that new. Sir Bernard
Spilsbury and his contemporaries could have proved cyanide poisoning. If
you scour the literature you’ll probably find that Sherlock Holmes dealt
with the odd cyanide case. Doyle was writing well before the Second World
War. If such a tiny amount of cyanide causes death then you’ll have to
reinterpret some of the stuff Pressac documents, like the Jew whose 1961
deposition with regard to a delousing operation had him going into a
delousing chamber in his underpants and a gas mask. He claimed to have
suffered ill effects. There must be a prolific literature on this.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Sep 7 17:41:37 PDT 1995
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Baron calls a dumb Jew a dumb Jew therefore is condemned forever more as
an anti-Semite. Warning, when you argue with your wife:
don’t call her a bitch.
Next time your kid breaks the next door neighbour’s window: don’t call him
an unruly brat.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Sep 7 17:41:38 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES – A CRUEL ABERRATION
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> I notice you do not categorically reject the story, and suspect even
> you accept the Buchenwald atrocities as genuine. Remember, the Americans
> liberated Buchenwald, and we recently saw posted an American pathology
> report on some skin panels which declared them human. So unless the
> Americans were also operating the kind of forgery mill you accuse the
> Communists of running, we _do_ have the kind of forensic documentation you
> require.
I think it is very difficult to evaluate any atrocity story but I certainly
wouldn’t rule out anything although I don’t believe in the lapmshades. I think
this was a case of gilding the lily. The point I have always tried to make
is that this is presented as typical of Nazi ideology; I don’t think it says
anywhere in the programme of the NSDAP that Jews would be turned into lampshades,
simply that they would be turned out of Germany.
> What I find interesting is that I, who am supposed to be one of those
> nasty anti-German hatemongers, accept the story as proved but consider it
> a personal and private crime in violation of official policy.
I don’t think you’re a hatemonger, Mike.
—
Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES – A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Name a single teaching hospital in the United States, Great Britain or
> Canada that maintains such items in its anatomical collection?
There are all sorts of horrible things in saline solutions. Kings College
Hospital is one, I believe. There is also a college that keeps the mummified
heard of some philosopher. I can’t remember where off-hand, but I think there
may well be several.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Sep 7 17:41:39 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> # This decision was based on Irving’s
> # untruthful statements to a Canadian immigration adjudicator
> # during his deportation hearing, as well as,
> # his misrepresetations under oath on an affidavit in the High Court
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> # Of Justice in the UK and his expulsion from Germany.
What about his perjury at the Zundel trial exposed to date only by yours
truly?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
>the chief value of photographs is to
Brainwash people like you into unconditional acceptance of Holocaust propaganda
by playing on your emotions. You’re obviously a decent sort in spite of your
constant slagging me off.
> You also claim that the existing evidence
> for the Holocaust does not say what we think. Working with a single
> item of evidence, can you at long last tell us what you think it does
> say? Have you got anything more substantial to say about any of the
> evidence other than “off hand it seems like a forgery to me?”
It says a lot of people died from typhus and starvation and a certain amount
of brutality. Nothing else.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Sep 7 18:08:07 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> You never provide citations that are adequate for people to check. It
> is your regular habit to change the subject when challenged for
> information–just as you have done here.
Never? A gross exaggeration, surely. When I do provide citations you
simply change the subject. About the only Exterminationist in this group
who has any integrity at all is Mike Stein. Oh, and Jamie McCarthy once
retracted something he’d said.
> So spare us the breast-beating, and tell Mr. Edeiken where you read
> about the professor in question.
Dr Christine Jeffrey was fired under pressure from the ADL from Kennesaw
College, Georgia. This was last year, I think. I’m surprised you haven’t
heard of it.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Education the gullible goyim about Gerry Gable’s lie machine
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The following is from THE LIFE AND “CRIMES” OF JOHN COLIN CAMPBELL JORDAN,
by Alexander Baron, published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing. Gable was the
co-author in 1974 of A WELL-OILED NAZI MACHINE. For the full, documented
story of how he lied to everyone, including the Jewish Chronicle, the reader
is referred to A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE 1960s SYNAGOGUE ARSONS, by A Baron.
$The Queen, on the prosecution of John Colin Campbell Jordan –
v – Maurice Ludmer$
Judgment delivered 30th December, 1976 (272)
I have to announce that the restrictions on reporting have been
removed.
This case was heard before me on the 21st September, the 3rd of
November and the 8th December.
In this case the prosecution asks for the committal for trial
to the Crown Court of the defendant, Maurice Ludmer, on two
charges of criminal libel, contrary to Section 5 of the Libel
Act, 1843. The defence has submitted that no such committal
should take place and I have to rule on that submission.
The prosecution has been conducted by the informant, John Colin
Campbell Jordan, in person. He has laid the informations, he says
he has been libelled, and he had conducted the prosecution in
Court, as well, of course, as giving evidence himself on oath.
Let me say at once that he has conducted the prosecution with
courtesy, restraint and, for a layman, considerable skill. The
defence has had the advantage of being represented by Mr. Geffen
with his usual skill and enthusiasm. It is however, perhaps
unwise, for an advocate personally to identify himself too close-
ly with his client’s case.
The alleged libels are in exactly the same words in each case
and appeared in two pamphlets or booklets, one published sometime
since June, 1974 and called “A Well-Oiled Nazi Machine” and the
other published in April, 1975 and called “Searchlight”. It
appears to be proved and not now denied that the defendant was
the publisher of the pamphlets.
The important words in these two pamphlets are :-
“It was this building that housed the National Socialist
Movement and where plans to bomb and attack the Jewish
Community were hatched by Jordan, his wife and their S.S.
Groups”.
These words appear to charge a conspiracy to commit malicious
damage, arson and murder and are prima facie libellous. Mr.
Jordan, on oath, has denied that he has ever been a party to any
such plans or conspiracy. He says the words are completely un-
true. He says the allegation is likely to provoke a breach of the
peace. He says he has never advocated the attainment of political
power by violence.
Mr. Jordan was extensively cross-examined by Mr. Geffen as to
his work and there is no doubt that for many years he has been
involved in politics of an extremist kind. So, it would appear,
but at the other end of the scale, have been the writers of the
two pamphlets, whether actually the defendant publisher, or other
persons. Persons who engage in this kind of activity must not be
too thin skinned and must expect to receive hard blows in a
metaphorical sense. The words complained of are serious libels
but are they more likely to lead to public disorder and breach of
the peace than the rest of these pamphlets? It is also said by
the defence that in fact Mr. Jordan is a man of violence, con-
trary to his evidence. It is true that he has been to prison
twice, once, after a series of appeals, for one month, and once
for nine months. Both these charges were under the Public Order
Act, but he says no actual violence was involved.
I am asked by Mr. Geffen (Whose submission is not really a
submission in law) to say that this is a case where the time of
the Judge and jury at the Crown Court should not be occupied,
that no injury to the public has been shown, and that there is no
reasonable apprehension of public disorder or breach of the peace
resulting from the alleged libels.
There are no merits on the part of the defendant in this sub-
mission. The pamphlets seem to me to be scurrilous and disreput-
able. But would any useful purpose be served by committing Ludmer
to the Crown Court and taking up the time of that Court by seek-
ing to get him convicted and punished? One has to take into
account also that the circulation of these publications is prob-
ably very restricted. I think no useful purpose would be served.
I think that, however libellous, these are some of the harsh
words to be expected by those who engage in this kind of extrem-
ist politics. That Mr. Jordan himself is capable of extremely
offensive publications is shown by the dreadful letter produced
by the defence and written to a Mr. Bidwell, a Member of Parlia-
ment, and exhibited as Exhibit 16.
In the result I do not intend to commit the defendant for
trial. I do not think any useful purpose would be served by
taking up the time of a Judge and jury in listening to the kind
of arguments that went on before me in the course of cross-exami-
nation of Mr. Jordan by Mr. Geffen. Mr. Jordan has had the satis-
faction of denying before me on oath that he is a man of violence
and that he ever took part in any such conspiracy as was referred
to in the passages in the pamphlets and I am sure that publicity
will be given to that denial and that that will serve to provide
him with the remedy he seeks.
There is one feature of the pamphlet “Searchlight” which was
not referred to before me, but which I regard as grave and sinis-
ter. The pamphlet is headed on the front “Defend Democracy –
expose the Racists and Extremists”, and on the back it purports
to be “A monthly Anti-Fascist bulletin”. Yet on the back it
prints, publishes, advertises in large letters “Forthcoming
Racist Marches, Meetings etc” and gives a list of the dates and
places of meetings of the National Front and other similar orga-
nisations.
What purpose can there be in advertising your opponents’ meet-
ings except for the purpose of attending them and creating disor-
der and perhaps violence? This seems to me to be an attempt to
stir up trouble.
As I said, I see no merits in the defendant’s case, but I do
not propose to commit for trial. The defendant will be dis-
charged.
An application by Mr. Geffen for additional costs, over and
above those allowed upon Legal Aid taxation (the defendant being
Legally Aided) was refused.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUS
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In article <[email protected]>
stephane.bruch[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Sep 7 18:08:09 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber EXPOSED, by a Medical Doctor
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“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Semantic nonsense.
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“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES – A CRUEL ABERRATION
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> I notice you do not categorically reject the story, and suspect even
> you accept the Buchenwald atrocities as genuine. Remember, the Americans
> liberated Buchenwald, and we recently saw posted an American pathology
> report on some skin panels which declared them human. So unless the
> Americans were also operating the kind of forgery mill you accuse the
> Communists of running, we _do_ have the kind of forensic documentation you
> require.
I think it is very difficult to evaluate any atrocity story but I certainly
wouldn’t rule out anything although I don’t believe in the lapmshades. I think
this was a case of gilding the lily. The point I have always tried to make
is that this is presented as typical of Nazi ideology; I don’t think it says
anywhere in the programme of the NSDAP that Jews would be turned into lampshades,
simply that they would be turned out of Germany.
> What I find interesting is that I, who am supposed to be one of those
> nasty anti-German hatemongers, accept the story as proved but consider it
> a personal and private crime in violation of official policy.

I don’t think you’re a hatemonger, Mike.
—
Alexander Baron

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“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I am well aware of who Delmer was. Pisses you off that he told Hitler to
> shove it on the verge of WWII, doesn’t it? Pisses you off that he sucked the
> Fuehrer in for years getting all sorts of exclusive stories, including the
> Reichstag Fire, which he did not, contrary to your ravings, attribute to van
> der Lubbe alone. And he had nothing to do with originating the gassing
> “legend”.
Trail Sinister – Delmer
page 194 says he believed the Reichstag fire was the work of a lone
individual “the lunatic van der Lubbe” and that both the Nazis and the
communists exploited it
Delmer – Black Boomerang
page 94 “When we learned that families bombed out during the Terror Raids
on Hamburg were being evacuated to Eastern areas such as Poland, Slovakia and
Ruthenia, we reported the epidemics of typhoid and cholera allegedly
raging in those areas.”
He also reported gas chambers. [sic]
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Then how many homosexuals _were_ there in Germany at the time? Could you
> cite the source(s) for your convictions please?
A lot more than there were before the so-called Holocaust (hee hee). Incidentally,
the Ultra-Orthodox believe that if Hitler had singled out the queers instead
of the Jews the Holocaust would have been justified.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> OK, Al, I admit it. Many people have lied about the Holocaust for money.
> Approximately 99% of them are revisionists.
Off the top of my head I can name a dozen non-Revisionists who have lied
about the Holocaust. Can you name the other 1,188?
If you’re insinuating that I have made money out of it I’ll try not to laugh;
to date – apart from my loyal friends – most of who don’t share or who aren’t
interested in my views – it has brought me nothing but derision and libels.
But, unlike many Exterminationists, I am doing what I sincerely believe to
be right. If everybody did that the world would be a wonderful place.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Roland” writes:

> First off I will say that 100 eye witnesses if sufficient
> evidence the holocaust happened and Im sure the actual number is many
> thousands.

False logic. Try reading David Hume’s “Of Miracles”. 70,000 people saw the
Sun dance at Fatima, remember?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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This is copied from the Libernet Digest; no comments to me, thanks.

ELIE WIESEL: NOTHING FORGOTTEN, NOTHING LEARNED
In Parade Magazine, (August 27, 1995, pp. 4-6), Elie Wiesel tells how the
Jews in his village (Sighet, Hungary) slowly fell into the Nazi murder
machine. His family had a chance to escape. His father chose deportation
rather than seek refuge arranged by their Christian housekeeper (p. 5).
We cannot question that decision. Mr. Wiesel did at the time what he
thought was right.
We can question if Elie Wiesel has learned from this bitter experience?
Genocide has become more – not less – common since World War 2, so this
is a timely question.
Wiesel does not advise flight from those who would commit genocide. He
breathes not a word about resisting murderers. What did he learn from
his experience?
His vagueness extends to Jewish teaching. He refers to the Talmud, the
Code of Jewish Law. But he offers no specific quotations. In Tractate
B’rachos (Blessings) it is twice written: “And the Torah says ‘if
someone comes to kill you, arise quickly and kill him'” (p. 58a and
62b). This imposes on every Jew the duty of self-defense against a
deadly threat. As a teenager, Wiesel may not have learned Talmud
B’rachos. JPFO enlightened him about it months ago. But he
still has not learned.
Wiesel reports that, “Special units of the army and the notorious Hungarian
gendarmerie began raiding Jewish homes. …It would be hard to
exaggerate the maliciousness of the Hungarian gendarmes. Ordered to
implement the Eichmann plan for our extermination, they did so with a
zeal and brutality that will forever remain the dishonor of the Hungarian
army and nation.” (page 5).
This article shows Wiesel to be a complainer, not a thinker or a doer. He
cannot draw even a basic lesson from his experiences. Perhaps he has been so
brutalized by the Nazis that he no longer thinks critically. That may explain
his support for gun control (See JPFO’s “Firearms Sentinel”, April 1995 p. 5).
Those who want to prevent genocide – not just bewail it – should not
waste their time on Elie Wiesel’s books. If he knows anything about
preventing genocide, he has yet to say it.
Supporters are urged to contact the editors of “PARADE MAGAZINE” and
share the contents of this news release with them:

Mr. Walter Anderson
Editor – Parade Magazine
711 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10017

JPFO would appreciate copies of your correspondence; Thanks.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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>From the publication HOW THE SEARCHLIGHT ORGANISATION INCITES
HATRED AGAINST JEWS: A FRESH LOOK AT THE SCAPEGOAT THEORY OF ANTI-
SEMITISM AND THE WORLD ZIONIST CONSPIRACY, by Alexander Baron,
published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing, (1994).

The Gable Memorandum

The text of this now notorious document is reproduced here in full.
This particular version is taken from $Lobster$, issue 24, December
1992, pages 3-4. Spelling, punctuation, errors and layout have been
preserved as far as possible. (93) This, together with $Searchlight’s$
other activities, in particular Gable’s smears on Libertarians,
anarchists and prominent Conservatives, tends to confirm the claim
of one of its unwitting recruits to the current writer that the Searchlight
Organisation is run not by misguided idealists or even by Jewish fanatics
but by freelance hatemongers who will smear anybody for a few shekels.
(94) And the Jews of course will take the rap. Which is clearly what
Gable and company want.

LONDON WEEKEND TELEVISION

>From Gerry Gable
Date 2nd May, 1977
About Agencies
To Julian/Mike Braham/Barry Cox (Please keep these reports
secure)
Phil Kelly was a member of the Young Liberals who in the sixties joined
what was known as “the Red Guard”. Young Liberals like Peter Hain
and Peter Hellyer went against the traditional Liberal line and started
campaigning along lines more akin to the Radical left. They stood
out against the Vietnam War/Apartheid and for the Palestinians against
the Israelis. At home they were for direct action on housing and other
evils in our society.
In the first place, as I understand it, Kelly was an odd fish in
the rather middle class Young Lib circles, he had a strictly working
class background.
He was up to his neck in various campaigns in 1967. The Biafra aid
set up was one of them. He was also seen frequently during that year
at the offices of the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign. It was suggested
that in either late ’67 or early ’68 he travelled to Cuba and was
trained as was “Carlos” during the same period. Certainly Cuba held
a Tri-Continental conference at that time involving many third world
and Latin American states where Cuba was active in spreading their
own brand of revolution. It is suggested that parallel to the conference,
an extensive course of training in Guerilla warfare and Espionage
took place. If the latter is true, then certainly Cuba’s own Secret
Service would have been aided by the KGB on the espionage side of
the courses. In the early part of 1969 Kelly was seen at the Soviet
Trade Mission in London.
I think that around this time he worked on the Hornsey Journal or
another paper in that area, then he moved to work in the new radical
press – being a familiar face at Black Dwarf/Seven Days and later
Time Out. Hellyer and some other Young Liberals got very involved
with the Palestinians around this time and in the summer of 1969 Kelly
went to Jordan, not, as he told people, to see the refugee camps,
schools and medical aid groups, but to a proper Fatah training camp.
Members of the Baader Meinhof group also attended these camps and
learnt their bombing and killing skills in them. Kelly was taught
firearms/explosives and went out on some treks to the Israeli border
with Fatah patrols.
Around this time, returning to London, Kelly acted as a cheer leader
on several Arab demonstrations in London and during fighting in one
of them he was seen to kick a policeman.
But although he seemed firmly in the left camp, a number of odd
things about his attitude towards a person he knew to be hostile to
the left are rather strange, on several occasions he could have blown
the cover of a man who had infiltrated the Palestinians and some left
groups. This man ran into him time and time again, including once
at a function organised by the Cuban embassy in London. Kelly was
seen on Irish Rights marches the night the Ulster office was attacked,
medical aid for Vietnam, Portugese meetings and even a demo over Anguilla.
Wherever he worked on left journals he always seem to get into a
position [section illegible, but probably “had access to the”] names
and addresses of subscribers. Reports from left watchers state that
he has been to Cuba, America, East Germany, Jordan and Sofia in Bulgaria
for a Peace Conference. In the early seventies he went to work in
West Germany and was away for around two years, I understand that
he worked as a sports reporter (he was there at the time of the Munich
massacre). He also had a German girl friend whose name is either Gerde
Jager, or Jaegar, the daughter of a rich lawyer. She is said to be
close to SWAPO operations in Western Europe and tied up with something
named “Informist”?
Back in Britain Kelly worked at Time Out and was instrumental in
introducing Mark Hosenball to stories that are part or even all of
the reason for his deportation order. Around Time Out a group of Americans,
Kelly, Duncan Campbell (the technology freak), plus Crispin Aubrey
and John Berry (not just a former Army signals clerk, but a former
member of British Military Intelligence) began to operate.
More than a year ago Kelly started to work for Interpress Services,
a press agency of which he appears to be the sole employee in this
country.
Even some of the left watchers here thought that this agency was
set up at the time of a Third World Conference held in Colombo in
Sri Lanka a couple of years ago and that in some way it is connected
with the Yugoslav State Press Agency. However our checks reveal that
it was set up in Italy in 1968 as a press co-operative and the directors
are South Americans and Italians, one of the original people before
Kelly at this end was John Rettie – a man I still have to check out
but was in some KGB scandal in Moscow some years ago.
The last return made by the co-op shows an annual turn-over of a
quarter of a million pounds sterling, although it preceeds Kelly’s
joining them (at least officially) salaries are shown as only two
thousand per annum.
Hosenball, who to my knowledge was always keen to meet any new contacts,
told me that he had refused to meet Kelly’s contacts in Germany but
would say no more. He was also prepared to tell me that the co-op
was, as he understood it, set up by some Chilean Christian Democrats
who in more recent times dropped out to be replaced by the Iraquis,
although no signs of this appear on the company house records. Hosenball
is frightened to tell me more about Kelly and it is almost certain
that Kelly could blackmail Hosenball to keep silent. Since the Agee/Hosenball
expulsion notices were issued, Kelly is often being seen more and
more running round organising things. When Hosenball made it clear
that he did not wish to be used as political cannon fodder, Kelly
wrote an attack on him that appeared in the $Leveller$, a radical
magazine.
This is not all that Kelly has done for the $Leveller$, he
has also produced material on West Germany for them about the trials
of the Terrorist groups.
The arrest of Campbell/Berry and Aubrey has caused a civil rights
row, but according to my top level security sources, they inform me
in the strictest confidence that for about four years Campbell, Berry
and Kelly and others have been systematically gathering top level
security material. Campbell, who claims to have only an interest in
technological matters in as far as the state in involved, had done
four years detailed research into the whole structure of the other
side of not only our Intelligence services but those of other NATO
countries. He has also gone to people who work on top security contracts
and started off by asking them about open commercial work their companies
do and then gradually asked them for information on top secret work,
including that on under-water detection hardware, which he clearly
knows is beyond the pale.
Politically it appears that the group have no one political guiding
light or line, but Kelly is suspected of being the KGB man who reaps
the goodies gathered by people who are possibly as disapproving of
the KGB as they are of the CIA. [Two words illegible but probably
“Other teams”] like this have been operating in France and Sweden.
(Agee has been in contact with the Swedish set up.) The security services
feel that once the real nature of this case begins to emerge they
expect people like Jonathan Aitken will fade away fast. The security
service accepts that a number of decent people have been signed up
to support these people on civil rights grounds and they also unofficially
accept all the short-comings of the act that they have been held under,
but they say they are sure this has gone well beyond the bounds of
Press Investigation.
Hosenball, although supposedly having his differences with Kelly,
was party to a strange chat between Kelly and Steve Weisman at Granada’s
Christmas party. They were going through a list of contacts and what
Hosenball’s reaction would be be if he were asked about them. I could
not catch the names but when one name came up all three of them seemed
very keen to keep it out of the hearing.
Hosenball got extremely angry with Malcolm Southam of World In Action
when asked about a man named Karl Von Metre, thought to be an American
living in Paris, and would not talk about him. Hosenball’s Paris trips
are a mystery.
He told me two years ago that the reasons for his Paris visits were
to go through files taken from a Portugese office of an extreme right
wing group that used a press agency as a cover. At the time of the
army take over in Portugal they had been seized and taken to Paris.
However, my own investigation showed that the files were not in Paris
at all had had never been taken out of Portugal, so why lie? His contact
in Paris is Frederick Laurent, a young man who works for the left
wing paper $Liberation$ and who lives in very grand style in
a huge Paris apartment.
When Hosenball and Kelly had hold of the Crozier material they were
very keen not to check out right wing connections but to trace phone
numbers they felt belonged to Secret Service establishments etc. Hosenball
also went to Spain, I think to track down one of the people mentioned
in the Robert Moss letters, but despite all this research most of
what they got was not appearing in print anyway. Kelly was not happy
about Searchlight using the documents and I think Hosenball, who had
done work for Searchlight on various occasions, felt embarrassed by
his attitude.
Kelly’s current girl friend is Dorothy Jones who works for the People’s
Press Service or News Service, a sort of Agitprop outfit. Kelly moved
into a house in Hemmingford Road, Islington, some time last winter.
He shares it with Richard Fletcher who is on the London Co-op Education
Committee, (strong links with East Germany) this is at 104 Hemmingford
Road, N7.
I went to the house one dark winter night just after they had moved
in. I was with Mark Hosenball and the reason for our visit was to
get some more photocopies of the Moss letters.
When we arrived, a man who I thought must Fletcher came to the door.
The building is a shop, basement and upper part, it was in a bad state
of disrepair and the man was plastering or something like that. He
said to Mark “there is a caucus meeting, Phil’s up top”. Mark told
me to hang on and ran upstairs to the top floor. Being a nosey bugger
I followed and in the top floor front room were about seven or eight
men, no women, all seated on cushions on the floor with no centre
light.
They were a mixed age group. I didn’t recognise any of them and
they did not seem to know me. Kelly looked at me staring in over Hosenball’s
shoulder and leapt up and pushed us out of the room. He said to Mark
in a low voice “Why did you bring him here?” and Mark waffled on about
not being able to contact him in advance and I needed the letters
that very night as Searchlight was going to press on the next day.
Kelly took us to the basement and produced the papers and then ushered
us out as quickly as possible.
I have now given the names I have acquired to be checked out by
British/French security services, especially the French and German
connections and the South American stuff is being checked by Geoffrey
Stewart-Smith’s institute. He has strong CIA links. I may try somebody
in the Israeli Foreign Office that I know for some checks on Kelly.
It is now a time of waiting for feed-back and also further checks
here.
I have attached a number of documents including a transcript of
Kelly’s interview with World in Action. It goes without saying that
I would like this kept strictly secret.
(93) A photograph of the actual document was published in the $New
Statesman$ in 1980. The article $Destabilising the “decent people”$,
by Duncan Campbell, Bruce Page and Nick Anning, was published in the
issue for February 15, 1980, pages 234-6.
(94) Private information. The person concerned claimed to have
received L100 cash payment from Gerry Gable for attending a far
right meeting in the 1980s.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:

> What’s your point, Al? She is indeed a distinguished professor,
Not any more she isnt, she’s dead.
>and Irving
> is indeed nothing more than a sensationalist, racialist British journalist
> since he abandoned all pretence at being a historian.
Irving is not and never has been a journalist. He is the world’s leading
Hitler scholar. Whatever his sexual proclivities, before he fell into the
clutches of Organised Jewry he produced some spectacular work. Yes, I know
about PQ17. So what.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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Subject: Re: c3w Emperor Napoleon’s History – Fact of Fiction?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Maczuga Kaus – assimilated cat3wog ” writes:
> Napoleon’s history fact or fiction?
There’s a very good satire written on Napoleon which concludes that he
didn’t exist. It was published about 1820.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Dave Weigel” writes:
There were about 20,000
> >> > such individuals, out of a German gay population estimated to be
> >> > 1.5 million in 1933.
Out of a population of about 60 million, about a third of them children,
there were 1.5 million faggots? This sounds like more Nazi propaganda. Ie we
got rid of the faggots, therefore Germany is now a wonderful place thanks to
us. Vote Hitler for a faggot free Reich.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> My experience here is that all discussion of lampshades and soap has been
> initiated by deniers; we on the other side recognize that these matters
> are atypical and relatively unimportant compared to that other matter you
> still can’t stand to recognize, the systematic, gratuitous murder of
> millions of human beings on the basis not of military or political
> expediency but simply of their ancestry.
If you say that, you haven’t read much survivor literature. It’s full of it.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> On the other hand Baron was making his usual claim of conspiratorial
> silencing of revisionists. His tale had the following elements:

> 1. The teacher (unnamed) was fired from her job (at an unnamed educational
> institution).
>
> 2. That the firing was because she taught Holocaust revisionism.
>
> 3. That the firing was because of pressure brought by the ADL.

> None of these statements were accurate. None of these statements are
> even similar to what happened to Jeffries. In my opinion the gross
> misstatements are typical of the way Baron (and, for that matter, most
> conspiracy buffs) operates. It is also a reason why nothing that Baron writes
> can be taken seriously unless there is independent confirmation.
Mike, I am not a conspiracy buff. Organised Jewry shouts jump, the government
says How High? Where’s a conspiracy? If I made a mistake over Jeffrey then I
apologise. I can provide excellent documentation on the power of these monsters.
Who got Andrew Young sacked for meeting with the PLO? Try reading Rabbi Kahane’s
excellent book. You can hardly call him an anti-Semite.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jeff” writes:
> “the set of rules which is appropriate here, and I’ll just keep it vague,
> hoping my meaning is clear.”
What rule did Mike Stein break? Believing any Holocaust Revisionist could be
sincere? Why don’t you tell us, Dr Keren?
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> No. What I mean by making a substantial comment on the evidence is to
> examine some actual evidence like statements in a document which
> indicate that specific actions were undertaken and to describe what
> those actions mean. Let me give you two examples:
> The Topf firm sent a memo to the SS Zentral-Bauleitung on March 2,
> 1943 in response to a request for gas detectors to be installed in the
> “Leichenkeller” at Auschwitz-Birkenau Krema II. The request was
> specifically for detectors which could detect prussic acid (HCN). Topf
> responded that they had contacted several firms in search of gas
> detectors and would let the SS know when they were able to obtain
> them.
> The final design for Krema II called for a metal connecting pipe to be
> installed in the cieling that could channel hot air from the furnace
> either into the smoke stack or into the “Leichenkeller” depending on
> whether a sliding damper was opened or closed. A memo approving the
> purchase and agreeing on the price was sent to Topf on March 6, 1943.
> Later correspondance between Topf and the SS called for repairs to the
> connecting pipe and dampers.
So the above are what you consider real evidence? When the chips are down
all the eyewitness testimonies count for nothing. Perhaps at last you have
realised how unreliable they all are.
When did this Topf memo come to light?
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Daniel Keren <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[email protected] wrote:
> [Al Barron to Mike Stein] and when I’m elected Fuhrer
> I’ll make you my Court Jew.
> Al, Mike Stein was sticking up for you and this is how
> you thank him?
Would you like to know what I’d do with Dan Keren?
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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Baron’s published defence of Halakhic morality and Jewish values
against the forces of darkness, for which he was rewarded by
being smeared as an anti-Semite. With typical Zionist disrespect
for truth, the $Jewish Chronicle$ referred to this as an anti-
Zionist pamphlet that “also attacks homosexuals”. For the record,
this was published with Rabbinic approval in 1993.
Artwork will not upload. This pamphlet (and others) are still
available. E-Mail me for a full list.

EXPOSED!

THE HOMOSEXUAL PLOT TO DESTROY ORTHODOX JUDAISM
Aided and Abetted by the “Jewish Chronicle” and the Board of
Zionist Deputies
OY GAY? NO WAY!
SAYS LORD JAKOBOVITS,
AND THE WAR AGAINST HALAKHAH CONTINUES
AS FANATICS ATTACK CHIEF RABBI EMERITUS
FOR DENOUNCING SYNAGOGUE OF SODOMY
By Gerry Atkinson and Graham Gable
Edited by A Rabbi

2nd Printing
The Homosexual Plot To Destroy Orthodox Judaism

It is an open secret that Lord Jakobovits was retired prematurely
as Chief Rabbi on account of his principled stand on Zionist
atrocities against the Palestinian people. “What, you think these
vermin have rights? Isn’t six million Jews enough?” screamed
Organised Jewry with one voice, and the Chief Rabbi was quietly
put out to grass. But you can’t keep a good man down, and it
wasn’t long before the distinguished Talmudic scholar was voicing
his concern over another blasphemy against Judaism: homosexual-
ity.
While only Zionists and their fellow enemies of humanity think
it’s okay to beat up Palestinians, throw them off the roofs of
their houses and shoot their children, an increasing number of
people – Jew and Gentile – think it’s okay to engage in homosex-
ual practices. This is due largely to a very effective campaign
of disinformation by the organised homosexual movement worldwide,
aided and abetted by leftist and “civil rights” organisations.
Before we go any further, let us make quite clear what is our
position: we are not advocating that homosexuals be “oppressed”,
thrown into jail, ostracised, fired from their jobs, beaten up,
or persecuted in any way. There is no moral case in $English$ law
for criminalising sexually deviant behaviour. But $Halakhah$ is
not English law; $Halakhah$ is a higher code, the law under which
Orthodox Jews $choose$ to live. A Jew who does not keep $Halak-
hah$ is not a Jew in any meaningful sense of the word. $Halakhah$
proscribes homosexual behaviour under punishment of death. There-
fore:

YOU CAN’T BE BOTH JEWISH $AND$ A PRACTISING HOMOSEXUAL

OY GAY? NO WAY!

No synagogue can condone sin.

Enter Lord Jakobovits

On 23rd July, 1993, the $Jewish Chronicle$ – the diseased “organ
of British Jewry” – reported that Lord Jakobovits had compared
homosexuality with stealing, adultery and murder and had sug-
gested that it would be a good idea to use genetic engineering to
eliminate this poison from society forever. (1) Lord Jakobovits,
an expert on medical ethics, ruled out abortion in this context,
but he did say that as well as genetic engineering it would be
possible (desirable) to train potential sodomites into heterosex-
ual norms. Lord Jakobovits’ views did not go down at all well
with “progressive” Jews, [sic] while his wise words were forth-
rightly condemned by the secretary of the Jewish Lesbian and Gay
Helpline [sic] who called the suggestion morally reprehensible.

Soft Selling Sin

The word $gay$ has long been used by sodomites to promote homo-
sexuality, to give it a clean image as it were. (2) A perusal of
homosexual publications is enough to confirm this: homosexual men
are portrayed as muscular, healthy, vibrant, the sort of person
you wouldn’t mind having for a neighbour, a brother or even a
son. Instead of the disease-infested wretches they really are.
Needless to say, this image is a lie, a veneer carefully con-
structed to deceive and seduce the non-homosexual majority into
the na<139>ve and erroneous belief that homosexuality is a
$positive alternative$ to being $straight$, and that homosexuals
are jolly good chaps just like the rest of us. While homosexuals
and the corrupt media have been very successful in promoting this
image, it doesn’t take much probing to reveal it for the brazen
lie it is.

Sodomy: The Disgusting Facts Behind The “Gay” Myth

Homosexual behaviour is abnormal and disgusting in many ways. The
homosexual sex act (anal intercourse) involves insertion of the
penis into the anus. Unlike the uterus, the anus is not designed
as a receptacle and is therefore prone to damage and infection.
This can and does result in the spread of all manner of disgust-
ing diseases to all parts of the body. But sodomy is not the only
perverted sexual act that homosexuals engage in. They also insert
objects into the anus. (3) Including fists! This is known as
fisting or hand-balling. (4) Many engage in oral sex as well,
sometimes even going straight from anal to oral. (5) Homosexuals
urinate and defecate on each other; they engage in bizarre acts
of flagellation, torture, self-mutilation and the ingestion of
faecal matter.
It is difficult if not impossible for a pious $Torah$ Jew to
realise just how sick, perverted and disgusting some of these
homosexual practices and the people who engage in them really
are. The following extract will perhaps give the reader some
inkling of an idea. Alarmed over the spread of AIDS, the authori-
ties in the United States attempted to shut down homosexual dens
of iniquity. When health officials visited one homosexual estab-
lishment in New York, the $Mine Shaft$, they found the following
scenes:

“The place smelled sour. It was crowded with men dressed like
cowboys, bikers, construction workers; some wore only jockstraps,
others wore nothing….There were gym horses, and a cross for
mock crucifixions. Inspectors saw men giving and getting blow-
jobs, [oral sex] sodomizing and being sodomized. Just as some
inspectors were about to enter a backroom, they reportedly heard
what sounded like a whip and screams. They decided to investigate
no further.” (6)

As if this were not bad enough, there are two other aspects of
the $gay$ life which give grave cause for concern: promiscuous
sex and anonymous sex. Like sexual perversion, promiscuity is by
no means confined to homosexuals, of course, but most men and
women seldom sleep with more than one partner at a time. (7) For
homosexuals though, it is quite $normal$ to have a dozen or more
sexual partners in one week! Often in total anonymity. Homosexual
activist Dennis Altman has written:

“Large-scale luxurious pleasure palaces where everyone is poten-
tially an immediate sexual partner are a common sexual fantasy;
only for gay men they are a commonplace reality…Men in bath-
houses rarely talk much, and it is quite common for sex to take
place without words, let alone names, being exchanged.” (8)

It is this sort of poison Lord Jakobovits would like to see
removed from society forever, and for this he is called repre-
hensible!

AIDS: G-d’s Plan For Homosexuals

Over the past decade we have witnessed the spectre of a new
plague stalking the world with a vengeance: the spectre of AIDS.
How did this come about? Contrary to homosexual propaganda, AIDS
is primarily a disease of filth and perversion, although it also
infects intravenous drugs users and is thought to be widespread
in Africa, primarily because of poor public hygiene and sanita-
tion. The question on everyone’s lips is: why did AIDS come about
in the 1980s? Now that you know something about homosexual beha-
viour, you’ll realise that it’s a miracle it didn’t happen soo-
ner.
The reason it didn’t is simple. Up until fairly recently, social
taboos and mores have kept homosexuals in the closet where they
belong. We have until recent times lived in a world where many if
not most of us were repressed. It’s not that many years since
women were considered the mere chattels of men, blacks had to
“know their place”, Jews were not welcome in “polite society”,
and ordinary working men had to doff their caps to the lord of
the manor.
The world is a better place for the end of such hypocrisy and
bigotry, but it is a fallacy that all change means progress. Some
social taboos exist for good reason. In the Latin countries for
example there is a strong taboo against drunkenness. As a result
of this, even though people in Italy and the other Latin coun-
tries drink more than in Britain, these countries have a much
less serious alcohol problem. Sexual offences and divorce are
also lower. The lifting of the taboo on homosexuality has led to
more homos $coming out$ and to a consequent upsurge in their
debauchery. But still they are not satisfied and are now pressing
for $anti-discrimination$ laws.

Queer By Compulsion
The two biggest lies the organised homosexual movement has spread
are that homosexuality is a $positive alternative$ to being
$straight$ and that homosexuality is very common. (9) The irre-
sponsible claim is often made now that up to ten percent or even
more of the population is homosexual. (10) For example, the
London Lesbian and Gay Centre [sic] published an “information
sheet” which claimed that there are at least 750,000 lesbians and
homosexuals in Greater London. (11) In reality it is doubtful if
there are that many in Western Europe. In spite of the absurdity
of this massive lie, homosexual agitators have succeeded in
convincing a substantial percentage of social policy makers that
homosexuals are “under-represented” in positions of power and
certain professions by virtue of $discrimination$ against them.
Their ultimate aim is to make $all$ such $discrimination$ unlaw-
ful, and in this sinister campaign they have found two powerful
allies: Organised (Zionist) Jewry and the “anti-fascist” move-
ment.
Both the Zionist movement and the misnamed “anti-fascist” move-
ment have agitated long and hard for anti-discrimination legisla-
tion. In reality this campaign involves the destruction of free
speech, freedom of association (and non-association) and the mass
subversion of individual rights. By claiming to combat anti-
Jewish discrimination they have enlisted considerable Jewish
support. If you have supported such legislation in the past, you
had best think again. Because here are some of the things it can
and will lead to:
You want to let a room in your house. A homosexual applies. You
turn him down as a prospective tenant and face prosecution.
You want to hire someone to work in your business: a homosexual
applies. You turn him down; he reports you, and you are forced to
pay him massive “compensation” for “emotional damage”.
You decide to sell you house. Your devout Jewish neighbours
object to you selling it to a homosexual. You refuse to do so and
you are thrown into prison. (12)
You own a bookshop and refuse to stock or sell queer porn. A
homosexual publishing company reports you and you are fined and
threatened with jail unless you acquiesce.
And so on. And there will be no escaping the consequences if such
legislation is brought into force, because the onus will be on
you to $prove$ that you did not discriminate. (13) If you think
this scenario is absurd, think again, remember Robert Relf, (see
note 12). When the Learned Elders have dealt with $racial$ bigo-
try they will turn their attentions to sexual $bigotry$. Don’t
say it $can’t$ happen here: every Jew living in Weimar Germany
said the same thing. And look what happened there!
It may even be possible that a homosexual Rabbi is appointed to
your synagogue. And it may be possible that your children are
given compulsory $gay lessons$, even in an Orthodox Jewish
school. Don’t say this $can’t$ happen; it already has! In 1986,
Rachel Tingle published a booklet called $Gay Lessons$ (14) in
which she catalogued the attempts of the Greater London Council –
for the most part successful – to inculcate pro-homosexual values
in our children. One of these is by portraying homosexuals as an
“oppressed minority”. The organised homosexual movement and their
socialist allies pretend that all minorities are “oppressed”, but
a moment’s thought shows this to be absurd. Everybody belongs to
at least one minority, even if it’s only by virtue of his or her
profession. Convicted murderers are a minority, but no one in his
right mind would claim that murderers are oppressed simply be-
cause they are locked up.
In her short but shocking study, Tingle also reveals that the
London Gay Teachers’s Group [sic] supported “the right of paedo-
philes to organise” and during the 1981 trial of four members of
PIE, (the so-called Paedophile Information Exchange), this orga-
nisation published an article in their support. (15) Paedophiles
are people – overwhelmingly men – who want to legalise sexual
relations between adults and children. They are known to operate
international child pornography rackets. Their ranks include many
men with convictions for serious sexual offences against child-
ren.

Lord Jakobovits Defends Halakhah;

The Jewish Chronicle Attacks It

It is ironic that the $Jewish Chronicle$, the publication which
makes more noise over anti-Semitism – real and imagined – than
any other in this country, is in the forefront of the fight
against Orthodox Judaism. Or is it? The truth is that in spite of
its name, the $Jewish Chronicle$ is no more Jewish than Hitler.
Curiously, no one appears to have accused the Chief Rabbi Emeri-
tus of endorsing Nazi theories of “racial hygiene”. To preempt
this suggestion we would like to point out that in Weimar Germa-
ny, homosexuality was regarded as a Nazi perversion, even commun-
ists reviled it. What short memories people have. (16)
The $Jewish Chronicle$ is the diseased organ of the even more
diseased secular Anglo-Jewish establishment. Avowedly Zionist, it
mocks everything Judaism stands for. The fact that it gives
favourable publicity to self-professed sodomites should come as
no surprise. The same issue which crowed over the attack on Lord
Jakobovits carried this grotesque cartoon (see page 7) which
portrays devout Hassidic Jews as dinosaurs. Worthy of $Der
St<129>rmer$, we think!
Lord Jakobovits has made a principled stand for $Halakhah$
against the forces of darkness – the enemies of Judaism, and,
ultimately, of all mankind. He deserves your support. If homosex-
uals want to drown in their own poison, that is their right, but
let them do so behind closed doors in their own AIDS-infested
communities. And if Zionists and “anti-fascists” want to aid and
abet them, let them do so, but not in Stamford Hill. Or anywhere
else where Jews live under 613 Biblical commandments.

Too Late For The Churches?

Although there now exist openly homosexual, religious Jews, [sic]
the perverts’ war against $Halakhah$ has still to be won. But for
the Christian Churches, the fight may already be over. The Gay
Christian Movement [sic] is well-established; there are openly
homosexual clergymen and at least one $gay$ prayer book [sic]. A
whole homosexual sub-culture exists within the Church. Once,
Jesus only wanted your soul; now he wants your arsehole as well.

They Want Your Children

You may not think we’re serious when we tell you that they want
your children, but believe us, we are. And they do. We have
already mentioned the activities of the late (and unlamented)
Greater London Council. Unfortunately, this was only the tip of
the iceberg. Although the GLC is gone, the perverts are still
among us, and they are stepping up their propaganda.

Your Money Funds Their Poison

In 1983, a thoroughly obnoxious homosexual publishing house, the
Gay Men’s Press, [sic] published a grotesque piece of filth
called $Jenny lives with Eric and Martin$. (17) This book was
aimed at children and portrayed sodomy as normal by relating the
– thank G-d – imaginary story of a young girl living with her
faggot father and his male “lover”. (18) Fortunately, this was
too much even for spiritually diseased Britain to stomach, but
$gay$ youth groups [sic] now operate openly, seducing confused
young men (and girls), many not yet out of school, trying to
convince them that if they believe they are attracted to members
of the same sex that they should “come out”. (19)
An equally obnoxious feature of this campaign to poison the minds
of our children is the fact that this cesspit of human depravity
Gay Men’s Press [sic] was subsidised by the GLC. In the financial
year 1983-4, Gay Men’s Press [sic] received a total of
<156>15,000 in GLC approved grants. (20)

Perverts’ Agenda Is Not Hidden

Some people laugh at claims that an attempt is being made to
subvert society by the forces of darkness. “Oh, I see, it’s all a
conspiracy, is it?” is one reaction. The threat is real, but it
is certainly $not $a conspiracy. The reason it is not is because
conspiracies are secret, and$ there is nothing secret about the
way sodomites are seeking to destroy our society$. Indeed, they
are quite open and brazen about it. Here is what they say them-
selves.
In 1979, the Gay Liberation Information Service [sic] published a
manifesto. This was not the first edition either. (21) In this
“manifesto”, they refer to “the indoctrination of the small child
with these attitudes”, (page 6). These “attitudes” refers to the
way ordinary people – you – bring up their children, ie as nor-
mal. In other words, they believe that $you$ are indoctrinating
$your$ children. As indoctrination is a form of coercion, it
follows that they will next insist that your children be taken
>from you and instructed in the $correct$ attitude towards homo-
sexuality.
The entire pamphlet is an assault on family values, Judeo-
Christian morality, indeed, on everything Judaism stands for. And
just to make sure you are in no possible doubt as to what will
happen if you object to having your children spoonfed with this
poison, they tell you:
On page 12, they state: “We do not intend to ask for anything.
$We intend to stand firm and assert our basic rights$. If this
involves violence, it will not be we who initiate this, but those
who attempt to stand in our way to freedom.” (Their italics)
In other words, they will use force to assert their $rights$ to
poison the minds of $your$ children. Again, don’t say it can’t
happen here. It $is$ happening here!

The Real “Positive Alternative”

Whether or not homosexuality is due to nature, nurture or a
combination of the two, like all sin it is ultimately a voluntary
act. No man has to sodomise another. The real positive alterna-
tive for homosexuals is celibacy. Sex isn’t like food, no one
ever died through abstinence, though thousands have already died
through sin, and millions more will die in the AIDS $holocaust$
that is yet to come.

Even The “Jew-Wise” Abhor This Poison

$The Truth At Last$, (formerly the $Thunderbolt$) is a long
established American newspaper. Published in support of the
Christian fundamentalist National States Rights Party, it has a
long history of attacking blacks and Jews. Recently however it
appears to have realised that the Western world faces a far more
serious threat than the odd black mugger and the supposedly all-
pervasive international Jewish conspiracy. In issue 364 it pub-
lished a two page expos<130> of the disease of homosexuality. We
are proud to reproduce part of it here, (see centre pages). There
are only two points on which we take issue with $The Truth At
Last’s$ position: one is that it refers to homosexuals as $gays$;
we believe that to use the language of the enemy is to accept
their propaganda.
The other is that editor Dr Fields is forever attacking the
$Talmud$ as the source of all depravity and immorality. Every
issue of his paper advertises anti-Semitic books, and he has on
occasion published bogus quotes from the $Talmud$. We would
suggest to Dr Fields that if he actually reads the $Talmud$, (22)
rather than the forever recycled calumnies of John Eisenmenger
(23) and his successors, he might at last wake up to the fact
that Judaism is as far removed from perversion and communism
$and$ Zionism as are his fundamentalist Christian principles.

Compare:

The $Old Testament:

Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womank-
ind: it is abomination.”

20:13 “And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of
them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to
death…”

[The above is taken from the Cambridge University Press edition
of the $Holy Bible$, Revised Version in Verses, (undated). The
wording varies slightly in some versions but the message remains
the same: sodomy is a sin against G-d and man].

And the $Talmud$

<BI>SANHEDRIN$ 54

<BI>MISHNAH$. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A
WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED.

<BI>GEMARA: “…There shall be no sodomite of the sons of
Israel…”$

Homosexuality And Anti-Semitism

There is yet another reason you should keep the sodomites out of
your synagogue: anti-Semitism. It is an indisputable fact that
hard core anti-Semites blame the Jews for every evil under the
sun. Because some banks are owned by Jews, the Jews monopolise
the economy; because some communists are Jews, Bolshevism is a
Jewish plot; because the Zionists are the murderers and torturers
of the Palestinians, all Jews are Zionists and all are guilty of
Zionist atrocities; and so on. And if some Jews are seen openly
or covertly to do anything but condemn homosexuality, all Jews
will be blamed for the spread of this poison, $or even for the
spread of AIDS itself$. And, in the current political climate,
the possibility of the general population endorsing this poiso-
nous anti-Semitic ideology is a very real threat. (24)
This is no idle speculation; in the fifties, when a Jewish doctor
invented a vaccine, an American anti-Semite used this to accuse
the Jews of infecting children with live polio germs. (25) In
America, all manner of weird conspiracy theories about AIDS have
been circulated, and not just by the lunatic fringe. In turn,
homosexuals have slandered Africans by trying to blame them for
the spread of a disease which is transmitted primarily by $their$
disgusting practices. (26)

Resist Emotional Blackmail

The Zionists have got their own way for decades by branding the
$goyim$ anti-Semitic, and have kicked Jews into line by other,
more subtle means. Now, the organised homosexual movement is
using the same dirty tricks as Organised Zionist Jewry. “Give us
what we want or we’ll call you $homophobic$!” they scream. (27)
Don’t bow to this emotional blackmail, don’t be afraid of people
calling you names. Wear the insult like a badge of pride. If you
appease these poisoners of the racial soul, your communities will
be polluted forever. But if we all resist them and isolate them
like the pariahs they are, they’ll all be dead from AIDS by the
end of the century.

>From Wailing And Gnashing Of Teeth To Terror Tactics

The aforementioned Gay Christian Movement [sic] has been in the
forefront of the subversion of the Church. It has published a
magazine since 1976. (28) The October 1986 issue carried an
article called $Jewishness and Gayness$. (29) In this article,
the author, one Geoffrey Thompson, (30) tried to liken the Nazi
persecution of the Jews to the ostracism society rightly prac-
tices against sexual degenerates. This is an insult to the vic-
tims of Nazism and indeed to the victims of religious and racial
persecution throughout history.
As with so many of their fellow travellers – the socialists for
instance – when specious logic fails, the fairies get bitchy. As
long ago as 1977, the Gay Christian Movement [sic] disrupted a
major church meeting. (31) How would you like this to happen in
your synagogue? Don’t say it couldn’t; there are already $gay$
synagogues in the United States. (32) They could soon be compul-
sory here if the perverts get their way!
It should also be noted that these AIDS-infested enemies of
Judeo-Christian morality have grown more not less militant over
the years; there have been a number of well-staged demonstrations
by angry homosexuals and their fellow travellers demanding their
“rights”, in other words, the right to pollute the minds of your
children at your expense. And their propaganda is infecting more
and more of our young people. (33) In 1993 there were two massive
$gay pride$ [sic] festivals/marches in America and Britain. It
was estimated that up to a million people joined the Washington
march and as many as a quarter of a million the Brixton event. In
spite of homosexual propaganda, only a tiny percentage of these
people can have been homosexual or homosexual-oriented. How much
longer will it be before all our children – and yours – have been
brainwashed by this poison?

The End Of Judaism?

Although Jewish historians and commentators often exaggerate the
full extent of persecution and suffering endured by the Jewish
people throughout the ages, there can be no doubt that this
suffering for them – as for many other peoples – was real. The
$Talmud$ was often burned for no better reason than the supersti-
tion and ignorance of “Christian” peoples; Jews were accused of
ritual murder, and tortured until they confessed, in much the
same way as lonely old women were tortured until they confessed
to riding on broomsticks or having sexual relations with the
Devil. Then there were pogroms, then there was the Nazi persecu-
tion. Throughout all these trials and tribulations, throughout
all this persecution and suffering, the Jewish people survived
with their religious identity intact. Did Judaism endure all of
this so that its sons and daughters could be blackmailed, intimi-
dated and bullied into acknowledging sodomy as a “positive alter-
native” to Jewish living?
If you think Judaism is worth defending, worth saving, worth
handing down to your children, your children’s children and your
children’s, children’s children, the time has come to fight back.
When the perverts come knocking at your door, when they turn up
at your synagogue, when they demand “equal rights” and state
subsidies (your tax money) for their perversions, you must answer
a resounding NO!

Halahkah? Ah, Halakhah!

In his scurrilous attack on our very first publication, Julian
Tossoff of the un-$Jewish Chronicle$ implied that we had misspelt
$Halakhah$, ie as $Halahkah$. (34) We replied that we considered
$Halahkah$ to be a valid transliteration. However, after these
publications (35) went to press, we realised that $Halahkah$
should have been rendered thus: $Halakhah$. Actually, the Ortho-
dox Rabbi who acts as our technical consultant did tell us at the
time that he personally would have used a different translitera-
tion, but didn’t consider it worth correcting. Some people render
$Halacha$ thus.
We concede that we transliterated incorrectly, and humbly apolo-
gise to Mr Tossoff. We trust that he will draw any other spelling
mistakes to our attention in between wailing and gnashing his
teeth at us. For our part we can only say that we are profoundly
disappointed that a man who can recite the letter of $The Law$
understands so little of the spirit of it.

Not every Jew is afraid to call a spade a spade or a degenerate a
degenerate. The letter below appeared in the August 1991 issue of
$New Moon$, the Jewish “events magazine”. We suspect that Miriam
Bowman is a reform or non-practising rather than Orthodox Jewess,
like most readers of this magazine. Unfortunately, hers is almost
a lone voice, indeed, people from all ethnic groups are becoming
increasingly intimidated against speaking out over this cancer.

Above, the grotesque cartoon portraying Hassidic Jews as dino-
saurs which was published in the $Jewish Chronicle$ on July 23rd
1993. In almost every issue the $Jewish Chronicle$ wails and
whines about anti-Semitism. Every time someone somewhere, says
something unflattering about the Jews or the quasi-fascist state
of Israel the paper screams $Holocaust$, even if that person has
or thinks he has a genuine grievance. On the other hand, when the
$Jewish Chronicle$ wants to attack the more devout members of the
community, it does so not only with impunity but portrays them as
slimy, foul-smelling, extinct reptiles. If this cartoon had
appeared in a British National Party publication there would have
been loud demands to prosecute the editor under the $Race Rela-
tions Act$.

Notes And References

(1) $Ex-Chief Rabbi endorses genetic engineering to stop homosex-
uality: Progressives join gays in attack on Lord Jakobovits$, by
Valerie Monchi, page 1, $Jewish Chronicle$, July 23, 1993, AV
5,5753.
(2) This disgusting euphemism has been used very effectively
towards that end, but originally of course it meant something
entirely different. According to the $Encyclopedia of Homosexual-
ity$, * the phrase $gay cat$ first appeared in print in 1933. In
1955, an English journalist defined $gay$ as “an American euphem-
ism for homosexual”. ** There are other adaptations too, but
although some older people still use the word in its proper
context – happy, cheerful etc – to all intents and purposes the
word $gay$ has been “verbally kidnapped” by the spiritual descen-
dants of Sodom and Gomorrah as part of a conscious plan to under-
mine the fabric of society and to destroy the family unit, and
everything decent people everywhere treasure, especially Orthodox
Jews.
* The $Encyclopedia of Homosexuality$, Edited by Wayne R. Dynes,
published by St. James Press, London, (1990).
** (Ibid). See in particular Volume I pages 455-6.
(3) Heterosexuals too engage in sodomy, it may even be that many
couples try it once or twice out of bravado or for whatever
reason. In fact, almost all if not all the sexual acts homosex-
uals engage in are also engaged in by heterosexuals at times. But
there can be no comparison either between the nature of homosex-
ual and heterosexual perversion nor the scale of it. To draw an
analogy, a middle-aged woman who shoplifts a tin of salmon from
her local delicatessen is a thief, but one cannot possibly com-
pare an otherwise respectable woman with a man who has twenty-
seven convictions for burglary, obtaining money by deception and
kiting cheques.
(4) There is also $footing$, apparently, which involves the
insertion of (presumably part of) the foot into the anus. We
leave it to the imagination what $gerballing$ means.
(5) A particularly disgusting example of this is given in the
book $The Silent Community$. *
“Alex, on the other hand, does not fast before going to the bath.
He takes repeated enemas until the lower bowel tract is clean.
During sex, Alex likes to switch between oral and anal sodomy
without stopping to clean off…”
* From page 142 of $The Silent Community: Public Homosexual
Encounters$, by Edward William Delph, published by Sage Publica-
tions, (1978).
The author of this study of human depravity researched his book
by following homosexuals around the subways and toilets of New
York City. The expression “going to the bath” is a reference to
bathhouses where homosexuals engage in practices more vile than
anything conceived of in Sodom and Gomorrah.
(6) From page 183 of $The Plague Years: A Chronicle of AIDS, The
Epidemic of Our Times$, by David Black, published by Simon and
Schuster, New York, (1986).
(7) Even young, single, sexually active men and women generally
remain loyal to their partner of the moment. A married man or
married woman who has “an affair” will often sleep with his/her
spouse and lover more or less simultaneously, but although they
may be sordid emotionally, most married peoples’ affairs do not
involve either sexual perversion or wild promiscuity.
(8) Originally in his book $AIDS in the Mind of America$, but
taken here from page 196 of $The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS$, by
Michael Fumento, published by Basic Books, New York, (1990).
(9) A third big lie is that anyone can catch AIDS. Although this
statement is, strictly speaking, true, it is usually interpreted
to mean that everyone is equally at risk, ie that AIDS is not
primarily a homosexual disease. We have already seen how big a
lie that is. This does not mean that AIDS cannot be contracted by
either bad fortune or by heterosexual sexual practices, it can,
but primarily AIDS is a disease of filth. Homosexual-related
filth.
(10) This rubbish can be traced to the bogus Kinsey report which
was produced by the American sex “expert” Dr Alfred Kinsey. In
particular Kinsey and his staff published two reports on male and
female sexuality respectively. * If one reads either report with
a grain of skepticism, one soon realises what utter rubbish the
entire study is. An investigation of Kinsey and co’s work would
take us far afield, but the interested reader is referred to
$KINSEY, SEX AND FRAUD: The Indoctrination Of A People$, by Dr
Judith A. Reisman and Edward W. Eichel, published by Lochinvar-
Huntington House, Lafayette, Louisiana, (1990).
* $Sexual Behavior in the Human Male$, by Kinsey et al, was
published in 1948; $Sexual Behavior in the Human Female$, by
Kinsey et al, was published in 1953.
(11) Page 5, $GAY LESSONS: How Public Funds are used to promote
homosexuality among children and young people$, by Rachel Tingle,
published by Pickwick Books, London, (1986).
(12) This sort of thing has already happened. In 1976, an anti-
black, anti-Jewish bigot named Robert Relf advertised his house
for sale to an English family only in defiance of Britain’s
Draconian race laws. When he refused to take down the advertising
sign, a summons was issued against him, and when he failed to
comply with it, he was jailed for contempt of court. Jewish, ie
Zionist, groups, crowed over this, but they miss the point. Why
should anyone be compelled to sell his property to anyone he
doesn’t want to? Now the chickens are coming home to roost with a
vengeance as perverts and degenerates take up the same cry of
freedom from $discrimination$.
(13) To do this will of course be virtually impossible, as many
people and companies have already found out to their cost in both
Britain and the United States when they have been prosecuted
under Draconian $race relations$ laws. To its eternal shame,
Organised Jewry has played a substantial role in the imposition
of such laws, and, of course, this has led to a vast prolifera-
tion of anti-Jewish conspiracy literature.
(14) Tingle, $Gay Lessons$, (op cit).
(15) Tingle, $Gay Lessons$, page 25, (ibid).
(16) Or perhaps we spoke too soon. On July 30 1993, the left wing
periodical $New Statesman & Society$ contained a reference in the
$Letters$ section (page 26) to this supposedly so-controversial
debate. One correspondent wrote, “as Peter Alexander, of Bright-
on, writes, [Lord Jakobovits] ‘now seems to be resurrecting an
aspect of Nazi eugenics’.” Brighton has the largest homosexual
population in the country outside of London, so we will leave the
reader to draw his own conclusions.
(17) $Jenny lives with Eric and Martin$, by Susanne B<148>sche,
translated from the Danish by Louis Mackay, published by Gay
Men’s Press, [sic] London, (1983).
(18) The book, which ran to fifty pages, was illustrated with
photographs throughout. The girl, Jenny, was blonde, a conscious
attempt to degrade the $Aryan$ ideal by these pernicious peddlers
of poison. The photographs showed the young girl, Jenny, in a
variety of poses, including in bed with her father and his homo-
sexual lover.
Another of the outpourings of the vile Gay Men’s Press [sic] was
a homosexual novel, $The Milkman’s On His Way$, (Tingle, page
21, op cit).
(19) Many young people, of both sexes, go through phases when
they may be rebellious, tempted by drugs, or think they are
sexually attracted to a member of the same sex, usually someone
older they admire. Such attractions, generally called crushes,
are not necessarily sexual; hero worship is often a form of
crush, and may be centred on an actor, rock star, sportsman etc.
There is nothing either unnatural or obscene about this; like
bed-wetting, it’s something the vast majority of us grow out of.
To take an extreme example, many people form emotional attach-
ments to their pets; children, and old people, especially if they
are lonely, may become very strongly attached to a dog, a cat, or
even a budgerigar. When a pet dies, the owner, or even the whole
household, may go into mourning. To equate this sort of affection
with lust – what homos really mean when they refer to being $gay$
– is obscene, and in the case of budgerigars, too absurd for
words.
(20) Tingle, $Gay Lessons$, page 45, (op cit). The author also
reveals that the London Gay Teenage Group [sic] of Islington,
received grants totalling <156>14,301 in the same year. In other
words, London ratepayers subsidised the poisoning of their child-
ren’s minds by the spawn of Satan.
(21) $gay liberation front manifesto$, published by Gay Liber-
ation Information Service, London, (1979). This is the revised
edition; the first one was published in 1971.
(22) The Soncino Press English translation is available in major
research libraries.
(23) Johann Andreas Eisenmenger (1654-1704) was the father of the
modern calumnies upon the $Talmud$. His book $Endecktes Juden-
thum$ ($Jewry Unmasked$ or $Judaism Unmasked$) published at
Frankfort, 1700, is one of the most vitriolic anti-Talmudic
libels ever written.
(24) The $Protocols of Zion$ is living proof of this; this is a
document which is too absurd for words, yet very many highly
intelligent people were taken in by it, and continue to be. The
$Protocols$ had been through over a thousand editions by 1967,
and it is still going the rounds today in both the Moslem world
and the West.
(25) Which may be technically correct, but the implication is too
disgusting for words. This claim was made by Eustace Mullins in
$Jews Mass Poison American Children$, an article published in the
anti-Semitic magazine, $Women’s Voice$, (page 11), June 1955. *
* See page 215 of $ANTISEMITIC PROPAGANDA: An Annotated Biblio-
graphy and Research Guide,$ by Robert Singerman, published by
Garland, New York, (1982). This is a standard reference work.
(26) See page 202, Fumento, $The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS$, (op
cit).
(27) The word $homophobia$ was first coined in 1973. * Literally
fear of homosexuals. This has been quietly extended to mean
hatred of homosexuals; if you find what they do repulsive, then
you must hate them. The idea of course is to make us think that
it is unnatural or even immoral to loathe or even not to condone
homosexual practices. This piece of specious claptrap is typical
of the broad anti-democratic left in this country and indeed the
world over. Most people, certainly not Orthodox Jews, do not fear
homosexuals any more than they hate them; they simply want to be
free of their pernicious influence.
A more recent term is $heterosexism$, the supposedly erroneous
belief that the assumption of heterosexual norms is somehow a
form of prejudice, akin to racial prejudice.
* Tingle, page 4, (op cit).
(28) The first issue the current writer could locate was issue
number four of $The Bulletin of the Gay Christian Movement$,
dated February, 1977.
(29) Issue 41. The magazine was then called $The Journal of the
Gay Christian Movement$.
(30) It was not stated whether this was a Mr or $Ms$ Geoffrey
Thompson, but this particular piece of sophistry appeared on page
three.
(31) See for instance $Disruption at church$, published in the
$Times$, page 3, October 17, 1977. This reported that the Gay
Christian Movement [sic] had mounted a demonstration at a meeting
of the Festival of Light. Presumably they wanted to replace it
with a festival of filth.
(32) Volume I of the $Encyclopedia Of Homosexuality$ reports
(page 644) the existence of these abominations citing Beth Sim-
chat Torah, New York and Sha’ar Zahav in San Francisco as “an-
other instance of how modern Judaism has been profoundly influ-
enced by its Christian environment.” Poisoned would be a better
word.
(33) Ironically, AIDS seems to have been largely responsible for
this. An AIDS bureaucracy of homosexual and non-homosexual $gay$
rights activists [sic] and other leftists has sprung up, and some
of these people have considerable power and influence. And it’s
your rates and taxes that pay for them!
(34) $Anti-Semites ask for cash in latest sophisticated forgery$,
by Julian Kossoff, page 9, $Jewish Chronicle$, May 14th, 1993.
In the same article, Mike Whine the so-called “defence director”
of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, claimed $The War
Against Halahkah$ [sic], our first ever publication, was part of
a long running campaign by unknown anti-Semites to incite hatred
against Jews. Since the 1930s and indeed a long time before that,
the Board of Deputies has been in the forefront of the campaign
to destroy civil liberties in Britain, now it is siding with the
enemies of Judaism. Clearly someone is inciting hatred against
Jews. But it isn’t us.
(35) $The War Against Halahkah$ [sic] and $Is The Jewish Chroni-
cle A Diseased Organ?$
Published by Anglo-Hebrew Publishing,
ISBN 1 898318 70 0
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
r[email protected] “Roger Lustig” writes:
> If that’s *the* Gobineau, you’ve latched onto an intellectual
> precursor of Nazism. His racial theories influenced generations.
Actually, if you’ve read de Gobineau you’ll find he wasn’t a raving bigot.
He said some quite flattering things about savages.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Reuben Logsdon ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Hey, speaking of money-management, the eight proprietors of the
> : Federal Reserve System are (according to my book, the Politics of
> : Righteousness):
> : Rothschild Banks of London, a Jewish institution
> : Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris, a Jewish institution
> : Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy, a Jewish institution
> : Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam, a Jewish institution
> : Lehman Brothers Bank of New York, a Jewish institution
> : Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York, a Jewish institution
> : Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, a Gentile institution
> : Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York, a Jewish institution
This is very true, the Fed is owned by these 8 banks. (See The Most Secret
Science). You might have added tht the Rockefellers are descended from
Jews so that could be all eight. However, as one of my Rabbi friends pointed
out, the Rothschilds are Gentiles since they all married out. These “Jews”,
like the Zionist cabal are Jews in name only. In fact most banks today
are corporate entities; it is not the owners of the system but the system
itself that must be changed.
Long Live SOCIAL CREDIT
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay OBC” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
> >Keren has maintained for a long time that the Nazis DELIBERATELY starved
> >Concentration inmates as a matter of policy. I have attempted without
> >success to get some details of this policy.
At the Belsen trial it was stated that there were 3 rations: ordinary,
extra (for the sick and the young) and ordinary civilian. One woman claimed
to have worked in the kitchen for something like 18 hours a day. This is only
intelligent speculation, but from one intellectual zero to another I would say
that an 18 hour shift indicated that there was plenty of food to cook.
It is apparent to me that many people survived for years in the camps; how
long does it take to starve someone to death? Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t
change places with them, but it does appear that people only starved during
the last few months of the war. Of course, if I had a PhD in computer sciences,
I might come to a different conclusion.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> It doesn’t seem all that different to me. For technical reasons I do
> prefer “annihilation” to “extermination,” but in practical terms they
> mean the same thing to me in this context.
1st skinhead: We slaughtered the Yids.
2nd skinhead: Yeah. Man United 4, Tottenham Hotspur 0
Are you sure you’ve got the context right, Mike?
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> In article <810507[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> Incidentally,
> > the Ultra-Orthodox believe that if Hitler had singled out the queers instead
> > of the Jews the Holocaust would have been justified.
> Please back up this incredible allegation with some details. WHO are the
> “ultra-orthodox” and who is their spokesman?
The men in black hats and caftans. My Rabbi friend told me. If you don’t believe
it, get one of your “gay” friends to offer a Rabbi a blow job and see what
happens.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 07:53:19 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> As John pointed out, but you deleted, the Protocols were used, the
> Topf letter wasn’t. Why forge something and never use it?
You’re using it now, Mike. I suppose you could do a forensic examination.
Post the memo in full – in English – and I’ll have a look.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:

> Delmer, by the way, was born and raised in Germany. His father was
> British and his mother German, and he was perfectly fluent in both
> languages.
Delmer’s father was an Australian.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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Subject: Re: ‘This is a page of glory in our history’
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Speechs by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler before senior SS officers in Poznan,
> October 4 and 6, 1943
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals –
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 323, and
> Himmler, Reichsfuehrer-SS – P. Padfield, Henry Holt and Co, NY, 1990,
> p. 469]
> ———————————————————————-
> I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish
> race.
Evacuation = extermination. Staeglich covers this (pages 64-7) and concludes
that it is a fake, ie it has been doctored. I have no good reason to disagree
with him.
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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Subject: Re: ‘THERE IS NO GOD BUT IRVING AND ROBERTS IS HIS PROPHET’
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> So, now we have it: for Roberts, whatever British “historian”
> David Irving says is true. Well, it was recently reported that
> this “historian” said that four million Jews died in the
> Holocaust. Does Roberts believe this, or will he go and look
> for another God? Al Baron, perhaps?
Roberts has read my book on Irving; he won’t appreciate that.
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 07:53:22 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
I don’t give a shit what you find “lurid” since you
> dismiss all stories of cruelty by Axis members as “nonsense” reflexively.
Fair enough.
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Oh, come on! There is not the slightest possibility for *honest*
> confusion on that point. Levin fought for the right to produce a
> *dramatic adaptation* of the diaries; he never claimed to have written
> them himself, as deniers claim. (I believe he also wanted acknowledgement
> and a piece of the action on the play of the diaries which was later
> produced and went on to win a Pulitzer, claiming that his own earlier
> adaptation had been used. A judge eventually found that this was
> unprovable, since two different adaptations of the same original material
> were involved, and so similarities were inevitable.)
There is ALWAYS room for honest confusion; you can’t be that ignorant about
the media.
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Al “Jews are dumb” Baron writes
> Because, when Hans Frank, Governor of Nazi-occupied Poland,
> specifically refers to orders for “annihilation of the Jews”,
> Baron suggests that maybe he really meant something else. So,
> obviously, Baron will never admit such a program existed,
> because when proof it existed is presented, he refuses to
> accept it.
Still going on about Hans Frank? This was rhetoric. Frank had no Executive
power and was really only a caretaker. He was also someone who liked the sound
of his own voice. Something he has in common with you.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> The whole point of this thread has been to get you to define what you
> think is evidence, what you think is proof, and to comment upon proof
> and evidence. If you can’t tell me what you think is valid evidence or
> what you think is a valid method for assessing it–even with a
> concrete example in front of you–then I really can’t start to offer
> you proofs of authenticity. How can I until I know what standards you
> would accept?
> > But that, I am afraid, would constitute a substantial and complex
> >> response on your part. Why don’t we just take it as read that you
> >> already believe the entire archive to be a forgery?
> >A not unreasonable hypothesis, but you can start by proving the Topf letter.
It is a fact that the communists have engaged in enormous fabrication; we know
that because the judge who drew up the charges against Rudolph Hoess published
a book in 1957 which contained many examples of this. Added to this is the
well-documented fact that the Soviets and the Polish governments under the
communists had absolutely no respect for truth and would say whatever they
thought would further the cause of world communism.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 07:53:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> As for the film mentioned in Reitlinger, I have three
> stills from it, which show the gas chamber from the outside.
> It is operated by motor exhaust from a car and a truck. The
> gassing (which was supervised by Nebe and Dr. Widmann) is
> described in detail in some places, such as Arad’s book about
> the “Einsatz Reinhard” camps.
Give me a printed source for these photographs.
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Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 07:53:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> So by your standards, Custer’s Last Stand didn’t happen? George Washington
> didn’t cross the Delaware? The English Civil War is a hoax?
We have reliable documentation for these things; the documentation for the
extermination programme and the gassings is dubious to say the least. And
riddled with fraud.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 07:53:26 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: MY OPINION ON HOLOCAU
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In article <[email protected]>
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Why wouldn’t you just dismiss such things as forgeries and fakes as you
> do everything else which has been presented to you? (Film of a gas
> chamber in action–geez, with that standard of proof, we’d have to get
> O.J. Simpson’s home movies of the killing of Nicole in order to convict
> him. Marcia Clarke can be glad you’re not on that jury.)
I do not dismiss EVERYTHING as forgeries and fakes, as you well know.
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Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 11:23:51 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> :>Delmer was writing in 1961. Give me your source for his change of mind in
> :>later life.
> I can find none. I was obviously in error, and apologize. I must have had
> Delmer mixed up with someone else, possibly Shirer.
Accepted. It’s easily done.
> :>I didn’t claim that he originated the gassing legend, I claimed he had a hand
> :>in it. The story of gassings in Auschwitz appears to have originated from
> :>rumours spread by the so-called Jewish underground. Professor Butz speculates
> :>that it may have been inspired by the euthenasia programme, and I have no
> :>good reason to challenge his hypothesis.
> You claimed he had a hand in originating the gassing “legend”. I have seen
> nothing to substantiate that claim.
Delmer boasts of having broadcast about gassings, among other things. He is
quite candid about forging German newspapers and the like. How much of this can
be confirmed I don’t know. The British had a very good psychological warfare
department and are just about the most perfidious race in history.
The big problem here is always proof because when there is so much collusion,
it is difficult to prove anything. I have seen some PWE files at the Public
Record Office and there is a great deal of stuff missing. I think the mere fact
that Delmer and company were such brazen liars coupled with the fact that they
broadcast about gassings and phony epidemics is prima facie evidence that they
had a hand in it. I don’t think it will ever be possible to prove this to
legal standards for the stated, and obvious reasons.
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 11:23:52 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> : This is very true, the Fed is owned by these 8 banks.
> No, it isn’t.
> The Fed is owned by the twelve regional Reserve Banks, and the stock
> in these banks is held by regional commercial banks belonging to the
> system.
> Where do you come up with this crap, Baron?
THE MOST SECRET SCIENCE. I think you’ll find this is correct. The other
banks are white elephants. They are also privately-owned and not owned
by the government as most people think.
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Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 11:23:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:

>I find it highly improbable that *every one* of them was
> either a liar or tortured into saying what they said. I met two gentlemen in
> Germany many years ago who had worked at two of the Vernichtungslager; I see
> no reason why they would have invented those stories (in fact, I didn’t know
> what Vernichtungslager were in those days).
There is really not that much testimony. Most of the testimony that exists
consists of YES, THERE WERE GASSINGS BUT I WASN’T INVOLVED. In any case as I’ve
stated so many times, it is not the quantity of the evidence but the quality of
it that is so poor.
Either the Holocaust didn’t happen, they say, or, in the next
> breath, the nasty Jews got their just desserts. I don’t engage in this
> part of the debate.
I have never said that. Furthermore, this has got absolutely nothing to do with
the JEWS, the pious men in black hats and caftans. The people who make all the
noise are members of a powerful, totally ruthless political lobby. And they
will trample on anyone they don’t like. I have the scars to prove it.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 11:23:54 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Any discussion of American “concentration camps”?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay OBC” writes:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Ian Paul Berg) wrote
> > This is slightly off topic alt.revisionism but I’ll pose it
> >anyways. A coupla months ago I was in a retail bookstore at a nearby
> >mall here in Calgary.
I think the case for exterminations in American camps is even weaker than
in Nazis ones, but you could try YEARS OF INFAMY by the Nisei Michi Weglyn.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> Read the above carefully.
> They are called CITATIONS.
OK, how about a citation for the Wannsee Protocol. Like who has verified
the original?
And how many of these documents which are now being thrown around as “proof”
of gassings in Auschwitz, ie from Topf & Sohne, were actually used at
Nuremberg?
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 11:23:55 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “[email protected]” writes:
> Would any of the scholars in this forum be so kind as to enlighten me
> abbout the ethnic background of Mr.Murdoch ?
He’s an Australian although the crazies sometimes claim he’s a Jew, probably
because the International Australian Conspiracy doesn’t have quite the same
ring to it.
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Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:34 PDT 1995
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:35 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
>I find it highly improbable that *every one* of them was
> either a liar or tortured into saying what they said. I met two gentlemen in
> Germany many years ago who had worked at two of the Vernichtungslager; I see
> no reason why they would have invented those stories (in fact, I didn’t know
> what Vernichtungslager were in those days).
There is really not that much testimony. Most of the testimony that exists
consists of YES, THERE WERE GASSINGS BUT I WASN’T INVOLVED. In any case as I’ve
stated so many times, it is not the quantity of the evidence but the quality of
it that is so poor.
Either the Holocaust didn’t happen, they say, or, in the next
> breath, the nasty Jews got their just desserts. I don’t engage in this
> part of the debate.
I have never said that. Furthermore, this has got absolutely nothing to do with
the JEWS, the pious men in black hats and caftans. The people who make all the
noise are members of a powerful, totally ruthless political lobby. And they
will trample on anyone they don’t like. I have the scars to prove it.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:36 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay OBC” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Ian Paul Berg) wrote:
> > This is slightly off topic alt.revisionism but I’ll pose it
> >anyways. A coupla months ago I was in a retail bookstore at a nearby
> >mall here in Calgary.
I think the case for exterminations in American camps is even weaker than
in Nazis ones, but you could try YEARS OF INFAMY by the Nisei Michi Weglyn.
–
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:37 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> Read the above carefully.
> They are called CITATIONS.
OK, how about a citation for the Wannsee Protocol. Like who has verified
the original?
And how many of these documents which are now being thrown around as “proof”
of gassings in Auschwitz, ie from Topf & Sohne, were actually used at
Nuremberg?
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:38 PDT 1995
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:38 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Race War of Black Against White
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “MILTON JOHN KLEIM, JR.” writes:
> * According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims,
> more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery)
> are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 mil-
> lion, are inter-racial crimes.
Most black crime is committed by a small minority who, for many reasons,
constitute an underclass. The white underclass is much smaller but is increasing.
In Bermuda and Barbados, which are predominantly black, there is hardly any
crime at all.
It would appear then from your logic that American whites are far more hateful
than West Indian blacks. Obviously environment has a great deal to do with this.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Wed Sep 13 14:08:39 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
Give the monkey a banana.
Of course, if there were no gas chambers at all, then
what you’ve spent three hours keying in is a right load of old bollocks.
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “JWCCTI1” writes:
> Actually, Kleim, the numbers of murders which can be laid at the feet of
> Ehrenburg, who _happened_ to be Jewish, pales in comparison to non-Jewss
> such as Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler. They both were raised in your
> religion.
Both Hitler and Stalin have been accused of being Jews. And me!
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> Your Rabbi friend? What’s his name? And what gives him the right to sum up
> ALL of “ultra-orthodox” philosophy, if that even exists.
> I asked who the “ultra-orthodox” are and you respond with a fashion
> statement. Are you, pergaps referring to the Chasidim? If so, they are a
> SECT. They do NOT represent all Orthodix Jews, or even all
> “ultra-orthodox” (whatever that is) Jews.
Another thing he told me was that in Orthodox Judaism the word of a woman
is not acceptable as a witness because they are inclined to hysteria. Look
up the publication A GOY PRIES INTO THE TALMUD by Baron & Cohen.
This particular Rabbi is no longer a Rabbi; the other one I worked with,
Rabbi Goldstein, is not a Chasid but Neturei Karta.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I am currently trying to trace down better copies than those
> I have, which are so-so xerox copies.
Thanks, I can’t wait to see these.
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> # We have reliable documentation for these things;
> Such as? Why is the documentation for, say, the Civil War,
> more convincing than the documentation for the Holocaust?
> # the documentation for the extermination programme and the gassings
> # is dubious to say the least.
> What’s “dubious” about reports which give very detailed information
> about mass murder of Jews, and about the gassing installations?
> # And riddled with fraud.
> What “fraud”?
“In the $gas chamber$, a Polish girl delivered an $impassioned speech$,
exhorting the $assembled Jews$ to avenge the Poles. Profoundly moved, the
Poles knelt and sang the Polish national anthem, in their last moments full
of hope for the future of their nation. With that, everyone…burst into
the $Internationale$, and died $amidst song in the ecstasy of dreams of
universal brotherhood and a better tomorrow$.”
What fraud?
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I have been trying to get you think like an historian, to comment upon
> evidence like an historian, and the best that you can come up with is
> tired propaganda slogans.
> Do you know how the Auschwitz files got to the Soviet Union?
Magic carpet?
> you know how they were stored and where?
A lot have turned up – allegedly – in Moscow archives recently. One of the
few people to have had access to them was the Zionist stooge David Irving.
>Can you suggest a reason why the
> Soviets never used the files at Nuremburg?
Yes, because they don’t say the things we are told they say.
>No. Can you even suggest
> how an entire archive of forged files furthered “the cause of world
> communism” by being left moldering in some basement for 50 years?
> Well?
I can suggest that by suppressing a genuine archive the cause of world
communism is furthered. Now that the so-called Cold War is over, don’t you
find it strange that these documents are coming to light?
>Is that thinking like an historian? Is that
> even thinking at all?
If you were any sort of historian you would face the fact that nothing,
literally nothing, that has ever come out of the Soviet Union is to be trusted.
Have you forgotten Krushchev’s denunciation of Stalin? The rewriting of
history by the purging of Trotsky, Kamanev and then Stalin from official
photographs and histories? Have you not studied the Sutton revelations?
We’re talking about an ideology that has absolutely no respect for truth,
like Zionism, Communism interprets as truth whatever serves its ends. Do you
dispute that?
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> It is crystal clear that there’s no proof for the extermination
> plan that Baron will ever accept, because when this very
> proof is presented, he says it was “rhetoric”.
You can’t have it both ways, Dan. Either the “exterminations” were secret
or Hitler bragged about them.
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Piss or get off the pot. What is your evidence of fraud?
Who has ever authenticated the Wannsee Protocol?
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Name one piece of evidence concerning the Holocaust which you do not
> consider “forgeries and fakes?”
The Dachau “gas chambers”; they are genuine delousing chambers that were
traduced as extermination chambers. The scenes at Belsen; they were scenes
of starvation, disease and collapse that were misrepresented as proof of
genocide.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Why would the Communists and the Polish government fake the Final Solution?
> Would they not realize what a favour they were doing for the Jews?

This was not pro-Jewish propaganda but anti-capitalist propaganda. The Jews
were stated to have been murdered FOR PROFIT.
> Where did
> they suddenly get their love for the Jews? The same Communists who murdered
> millions of their own citizens during the purges of the late 1930’s?
Recall the large numbers of Jewish-born communists who later served the
Soviets well in the United States shortly after. See Beaty’s Iron Curtain
Over America for details but for starters there was the Hollywood 10, the
American Politburo and the Rosenbergs. The propaganda at the time was that
THE SOVIET UNION HAS SAVED THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> Absolute and total rubbish. The primary documentation for the extermination
> programme and the gassings is by far more numerous and reliable than anything
> existing for the other examples cited. It is explicit and damning and was
> written by people who thought it would never be seen by others.
Rhetoric.
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> You really are a pitiful little worm, aren’t you?
You’ve no right to call yourself a Jew if you give aid and comfort to these
diseased enemies of humanity. In 1986, the Chief Rabbi said AIDS was the
inevitable price for moral turpitude. Boy was he right.
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
All it shows is that you know
> nothing whatsoever about the U.S. financial system. Even the
> dimmest-witted Wall Street messenger has a firmer grasp on the facts!
> –Donald Moffitt
If you know the facts, tell me who owns the Federal Reserve.
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> In article <810841[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel
> Keren” writes:
> > Still going on about Hans Frank? This was rhetoric. Frank had no Executive
> > power and was really only a caretaker.
> “…Of course, I could not eliminate all lice and Jews in only one year’s
> time. But in the course of time, and above all, if you help me, this end
> will be attained”. – Hans Frank
This quote is dubious to say the least. What evidence have you that a) it is
genuine and b) that it referred to exterminations? In any case, Frank had
no control over what went on the in camps, which were under SS control. Accordin
to Hoess, Himmler communicated the extermination order to him directly, not
that one can trust anything he said.
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Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> >Al Baron said:
> >>Post the memo in full – in English – and I’ll have a look.
> > I believe John Morris is actually the one who’s been reading up on
> >that. John, do you have that handy?
> Description: Apparently on Topf and Son stationary, part of letterhead
> obscured by Waffen-SS receipt stamps, receipt annotations and initials
> by several hands; a pen annotation “Kremat. II”; date of receipt 5
> March 1943
> TEXT:
> [Note: I have replaced umlauts with ‘e’ throughout]
> An die
> Zentral-Bauleitung der
> Waffen-SS und Polizei
> Auschwitz /Ost-Oberschl.
> 2.3.43
> Krematorium,
> Gaspruefer.
> Wir bestaetigen den Eingang Ihres Telegrammes,
> lautend:
> ” Absendet sofort lo Gaspruefer wie besprochen
> Kostenangebot spaeter nachreichen “.>
> Hierzu teilen wir Ihnen mit, dass wir bereits
> vor 2 Wochen bei 5 verschiedenen Firmen die
> von Ihnen gewuenschten Anzeigegeraete fuer
> Blausaeure-Reste angefragt haben. Von 3 Firmen
> haben wir Absagen bekommen und von 2 weiteren
> steht eine Antwort noch aus.
> Wenn wir in dieser Angelegenheit Mitteilung er-
> halten, kommen wir Ihnen sofort naeher, damit
> Sie sich mit einer Firma, die diese Geraete
> baut, Verbindung setzen koennen.
> H e i l H i t l e r !
> [signature stamp] J.A. TOPF & SOHNE
> [pen signature] Pruefer
> Translation:
> Re: Crematorium [II]. We acknowledge receipt of your telegram stating:
> “Immediate shipment of 10 gas detectors as agreed. Estimate to be
> furnished later.” Concerning this matter, we can tell you that for two
> weeks now we have been making inquiries of five different firms about
> the apparatus you want indicating the traces of prussic acid. We have
> received negative responses from 3 firms, and we are still awaiting
> answers from the other 2. When we receive further information on this
> subject, we will let you know immediately so that we can put you in
> touch with the firm making this apparatus. Heil Hitler!
> The translation is by Pressac and Van Pelt. A photograph of the memo
> appears on page 231 of Jean-Claude Pressac with Robert-Jan Van Pelt,
> “The Machinery of Mass Destruction at Auschwitz,” _Anatomy of the
> Auscwitz Death Camp_, ed. Y. Bauer and M. Berenbaum (Bloomington:
> Indian University Press, 1994) 183-245.
In the first place, when and where did this “memo” come to light? I don’t
believe it was used at Nuremberg. If it was give me a citation and I will look
it up. In the second place, the “exterminations” were alleged to have started
in 1941, 1942 by some accounts. One would have thought that by then the wicked
Nazis would have come across a firm that could provide equipment that
could detect traces of prussic acid, especially since Zyklon-B was used by
the German military since 1924.
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> >> As John pointed out, but you deleted, the Protocols were used, the
> >> Topf letter wasn’t. Why forge something and never use it?
> >You’re using it now, Mike.
> Duh. I thought it would be obvious to any reasonable person (but
> obviously it wasn’t obvious to you) that my question was why the
> alleged forger went to all the trouble of forging something without using
> it. Unless you’re accusing me of forging it?
> >I suppose you could do a forensic examination.
> And you could too, for that matter. Why is it always my
> responsibility to satisfy you?
> But if I were to do so, and the forensic examination found that the
> memo had the right paper, ink, handwriting, etc., would you then accept
> that as proof that the Nazis were in fact intentionally building an
> incriminatingly high cremation capacity? Or would you instead demand
> proof that my forensic examination was properly done?
I would accept it as evidence.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 06:59:18 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: ‘This is a page of glory in our history’
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> # ie it has been doctored. I have no good reason to disagree
> # with him.
> Of course you don’t. You also do not have a shred of proof it
> was “doctored”.
The fact that you keep repeating “Jews are dumb” says more about you than
it does about me. Where is the evidence that this is genuine? Himmler made
his speeches up from notes as he went along.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 06:59:19 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: ‘This is a page of glory in our history’
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In article <[email protected]>
stephane.bruch[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
>not all
> Nazis deny the Holocaust. Quite a few openly embrace it, lamenting the
> fact that Hitler couldn’t “finish the job”. At least they are honest.
And some seek to destroy Nazism by embracing its methods – Ludwig von Mises
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 06:59:20 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: ‘This is a page of glory in our history’
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> If so the only acceptable proof would be a firsthand hand of > what was said. Are telling us that there are inconsistancies in the alleged
> statement?
You said it. Produce the proof.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 22:29:37 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Hilary Ostrov” writes:
> And no doubt, Mr. Baron, you would have us believe that some of your
> best friends are Jews – or homosexuals.
I do have a number of Jewish friends and I have collaborated on two of
my publications with Orthodox Rabbis. I don’t knowingly associate with
homosexuals or any other lowlife dung beetles. I have said before that people
who compare the alleged persecution of homosexuals anywhere at any time with
the persecution of the Jews by Nazi Germany are insulting the dead, and it
saddens me to think that anyone, especially any Jew, should think any
diferently.
> However, to date, neither you nor your fellow pseudo-revisionists have
> presented anything that might be remotely considered “evidence”. You
> have presented fabrications, unsubstantiated opinions, arguments that
> one can only construe (and kindly at that) as non-sequiturs, lengthy
> and patently bigoted diatribes, and various and sundry “Baron
> baffle-drivel” ™ circumlocutions.
You keep repeating this like a parrot; we have presented bags of evidence
that you choose to ignore:
I personally have presented the following:
1) the persistent misrepresentation of delousing chambers at Dachau as
gas chambers.
2) fabricated and miscaptioned photographs
3) the fact that so many prominent Jews survived Auschwitz and other camps,
even though some had been interned for years.
4) the admission of “best witness” Vrba that he lied when he claimed he had
seen gassings.
5) the ludicrous and often blatantly fake memoirs of Jews, eg Hart, Vrba,
Mueller, Wiesel, and other nonsense.
6) the redesignation of the term “final solution” which originally meant
evacuation to extermination
7) the lack of a written order, a budget or a plan for the extermination
8) I have documented here Jews who have claimed reparations for murders
that never happened – the Philip Auerbach case; there were cases reported
in the “Jewish Chronicle” in 1969.
9) I have documented here the human soap lie which was broadcast to the
world as recently as January 1995.
10) I have documented here the lies that have been spewed out by the Board
of Deputies of British Jews and its South African equivalent; poor, persecuted,
powerless people indeed.
much, much more. If you don’t see these things it is because you either
don’t want to or are afraid to see them.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 22:29:38 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: 6,000,000 minus a few
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> The same people, no doubt, that had Christine Jeffries fired from her
job at > Kennesaw State College. Right Lyin” Al?
The men in black hats and caftans are the REAL Jews; they don’t get involved
in politics. The only time I have known them to was when they organised a protest
in London – which I attended – to protest against the Hebron maasacre “which
sybolises Zionism in its true form” according to them.
The “Jews” you are talking about are Jews in name only; they are a powerful,
fascistic political lobby who interpret any criticism of any member of their
race or ideology as rabid anti-Semitism. Most of them despise the real Jews,
like Tom Dine who was sacked as AIPAC head for calling the Orthodox smelly
and saying they look unkempt. These people don’t give a fuck about Judaism
and I don’t most of them have ever seen the inside of a synagogue except
to have their pricks clipped.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 22:29:39 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Rassinier in 1962: a fraudulently inserted comma
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Jamie caught Rassinier using evidence fraudulently, and this is all
> you can say? What ever happened to Al “I’m more interested in exposing
> lies than finding the truth” Baron?
I’m not sure that he did lie, he may have made an honest mistake. Unlike
a certain Abbe who Rassinier caught telling stories about gassings in
Buchenwald where there were none. Incidentally, Rassinier was not the
father of Revisionism. There were others before him.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 22:29:40 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> You often see these “scholars” claim that this-and-that
> notorious person was Jewish; I think crazy Ricardo Joshua
> even claimed Stalin was a Jew,
The Nazis carried out a racial investigation of Stalin and were satisfied
that he wasn’t a Jew. Then, after Hitler turned against Russia, they “found”
evidence that he was. A bit like exterminationists are now finding further
“evidence” of gassings which turn up mysteriously in former Soviet archives.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

From [email protected] Thu Sep 14 22:29:41 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Felderer also claims Jews are obsessed with pornography and
> excrement, and he sells “cartoons” showing elderly Jews engaged
> in sexual acts, etc. He also wrote “articles” about the effect
> of cyanide gas on the vagina. He also sent pieces of soap to
> Jewish organizations, asking them if they could identify these
> as having been made from Jews.
Felderer is a publicist as much as a Revisionist; his methods shock, and
personally I don’t approve of them, but they do seem to work. Roberts
endorsed a forged document in good faith and has since retracted. You continue
to endorse lies, trash and slander because unlike us you haven’t got the bottle
to admit you’ve been conned.
—
Alexander Baron

“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon

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