Baron 4 part1-1, Baron Al

Michael P. Stein writes:

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> You’re right, Al; whoever wrote the above is a prize idiot. But it
> wasn’t me. We’ve had two McCarthys posting here; I guess there’s another
> Stein now, and as soon as his article with the above fallacy shows up here
> I’ll give _that_ Stein what for, don’t you worry!
Hmm, someone posted that and I was certain it was you. At least though you’ve
got the balls to argue, even if you’re wrong.
> But as I’ve mentioned, Walendy couldn’t even get the pit burning photo
> from the Polish book to reproduce accurately in his own book. Ho, ho, ho,
> must be a touch-up! So have I proved fraud on Walendy’s part – two
> versions, something’s fishy, right? By Walendy’s method of argument, it
> would seem so.
According to Pressac this has been touched up; as I’ve studied various
versions of it side by side I agree with that.
> >and that didn’t include Guy Fawkes would be a questionable
> >history indeed. That would be akin to a political history of 60s America
> >excluding the Kennedy assassination.
> Questionable analogy on your part. Fawkes failed; Oswald [or whoever
> else you think pulled the trigger] didn’t. Better analogy: a political
> history of post-WWII America which omitted mention of Squeaky Fromme’s
> attempt on the life of Gerald Ford.
Oswald pulled the trigger, no doubt about that.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Of course it has been possible. One needed to say “we
> didn’t gas anyone”. Now that’s easy.
I’ve been trying for the last six weeks to get Harry Mazal to say:
“Suzman and Diamond lied through their teeth”. I haven’t had much luck
yet. Some things just are not easy to say, are they Dr Keren? Like your
quoting Hitler out of context for another thing.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Mon Aug 7 20:48:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> According to the “Institute for Contemporary History” in
> Munich, gassings did take place there. And there’s the
> Rascher-Himmler letter which explicitly discusses gassing
> in Dachau. I recall Reitlinger also states that gassings took
> place in Dachau, on a relatively small scale, but I don’t
> have the book here to verify this.
Well, I suggest you take this up with Professor Lipstadt because she
says there were no gassings in Dachau either.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> # I have to make a slight correction.
> He-he… you just have to love this bloody lying bastard. “A
> slight correction”… what a schmuck this Baron is.
No Dr Keren, when I make a mistake I correct it. Unlike the Americans at
Dachau. I was getting a bit confused because I was working between two
books, Staeglich and a book by an Exterminationist author, Ronnie Landau.
This point has been made many times in this group but you want it both ways:
you want the extermination programme to be secret and at the same time to adduce
at proof of the programme alleged genocidal pronouncements by the Nazi leaders.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Roberts, you bloody imbecile – I’ve already posted that I
> made a mistake in typing down the name
You make mistakes, Jeff and I lie. Very good.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> You admitted yourself that you made a mistake and that
> my quote of Hitler was very much in context. He said in
> his 1939 speech that the result of the war will be the
> “extermination of the European Jews”. What is “out of
> context” here?
Because this was rhetoric – like the Mother of all Wars – although in that
case it was wishful thinking, and the United States that led a supreme act
of evil and genocide.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I did make a mistake because I was typing down Suchomel’s
> interview from the video, and I misheard “Belzec” as “Wolzec”.
> There was obviously no reason for me to falsely substitute
> “Wolzec” instead of “Belzec”. More so since the movie is
> in wide circulation and there’s a book with its text.
Dr Keren, I was making the point that your explanation is accepted. Even
if mine isn’t.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
> What does it say? Care to reproduce the quote?
Pages 187-8, Second Edition.
> I thought, you claimed intimate knowledge of this book.
I read the Second Edition more or less cover to cover about 3 years ago. I
do a tremendous amount of research in various fields and it’s difficult to
keep track of everything. I’m working on a couple of publications at the moment,
one that will please our friend Dr Keren, and another that will infuriate him.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
> Mr. Baron claims that this picture was used by the authors of _Six Million Did
> Die_ as ‘proof’ of
No, Mr Baron claims that this picture of Dr Klein amongst the cadavers at
Belsen is used as “proof” that the Germans exterminated Jews in gas chambers.
Such examples are not hard to find. There were no “exterminations” at Belsen;
ordinary war time brutalities in the final months, but no exterminations.
> the Dachau gassings. When confronted with the fact that one of the books
> employed as part of the
> bibliography for the book was precisely _The Belsen Case_ Mr. Baron
> down-shifted. Mr. Baron
> also employs some unidentified and un-numbered pages of a book that he claims
> to be the second
> edition of this book to further his fantasies.
Harry, for the Nth time, go and look the damned book up. Send a fax to the
South African Jewish Board of Deputies and get them to fax you the page numbers.
Mrs S Tuback
Librarian
Fax (27) (011)646-4940
The above info was valid in June 1994.
Don’t keep insinuating that I sent you fake photocopies, check them out.
I suspect that even some of your chums in this newsgroup are growing tired
of your innuendo.
> He doesn’t, of course, admit the existence of a gas chamber at Dachau. Whether
> it was ever used or
> not can be the subject of a new header as soon as Mr. Baron either accepts the
> existence of the gas

The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust – under Denial, Volume 2 – says that
when “eyewitnesses” report gassings at Dachau mistakenly, the Revisionists
pounce on this discrepancy. Lipstadt too says there were no gassings in
Dachau. Don’t argue with me, Harry. Argue with them.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> # No Dr Keren, I said the most notorious war criminal of the
> # Nazi era. By any reckoning this has to be Yitzhak Shamir.
> Ah, gee, you “trapped” me again, eh Baron?
> Even if this made any sense, what, by Hitler’s
> lonely testicle, does it have to do with “revisionism”?
It means that he should have been tried for war crimes rather than the
totally innocent John Demjanjuk. Isn’t that worth revising?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> I notice you just quietly dropped the biggest point, Franz Suchomel
> speaking candidly to Lanzmann outside of any trial.
> What did the nasty Zionists do to Suchomel to force him to go along
> with that?
> Are you having trouble answering questions, about Suchomel, Al? Well,
> don’t feel bad, you’re not the first revisionist who couldn’t figure out
> how to explain away Suchomel’s talking to Lanzmann.
Mike I do try to answer every point, but you can be prolix. I am not
familiar with this fellow, but if you refer to our private mail – the
extract from the Dianne Core book – you will, I am sure you’ll agree,
conclude that not every confession is worth the paper it’s printed on.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> I think some things are not easy to get. You keep referring to the
> “second edition,” but I can only find the first. And Harry Mazal had
> trouble getting your page references to match up. If there’s some way
> you could work with the first edition instead of the second you might
> have more luck discussing it.
I keep telling this guy that I have never seen the first edition but
it doesn’t sink in. Because he’s not interested.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> So, Baron, you obviously don’t deny that you did send
> that e-mail to Alan Finkelstein, as you don’t deny the
> text attributed to you and you try to defend it? Yes?
I stand by every word, although I’m not sure the guy’s name was Finkelstein,
I thought it was Joel something.
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:

> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> Central to Butz’ thesis is the idea that the Jews were capable not
> only of forging the thousands of documents necessary to perpetrate the
> “hoax,” not only capable of planting these documents where the Allied
> prosecutors could find them, but also of suborning all of the Allied
> governments to their trickery. That, as I am sure you will agree, is
> preposterous. But the all-powerful Jewish conspiracy is the oldest
> antisemitic canard in the book.
No, what you’re saying is that at the turn of the century the Tsarist police
cooked up a document called the Protocols of Zion which claimed that the Jews
were plotting to take over the world, therefore no Jewish organisation or
any organised group of Jews is capable of pulling the wool over anybody’s
eyes. That is incredibly naive.
Butz claims that the World Jewish Congress and others fabricated a report –
which even Pressac admits is largely inaccurate – and that the Allies and
the Russians fitted the Germans up for all manner of crimes after the war.
Gas chambers or not, that is exactly what happened. The dirty trick of
semantics you and your kind invariably employ is to insinuate that an attack
on Organised Jewry or any arm of it is an attack on the Jewish people as a
whole, including your local rabbi. By the same token any attack on the Mafia
is an attack on all Italians, on the IRA on all the Irish and so forth. Yours
is the most perfidious argument because it is the one which the great
mass of people swallow.
I’ll draw another parallel with the Protocols. Leon Poliakov points out
in THE HISTORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM that the Protocols and other Jewish conspiracy
literature was flooded onto the world from the backrooms of Rostov on Don.
It is an acknowledged fact that the Tsarist regime and the Nazis spent
enormous sums of money on anti-Semitic propaganda. It is a fact too well
documented to reference here that all governments and indeed many non-
governmental agencies – the anti-porn movement for example – spend millions
or billions of dollars every year promulgating propaganda, often disinformation
and outright lies – to discredit people they hate or are otherwise hostile to.
What you are saying Mr (Dr?) Morris is that Organised Jewry alone has never
done this, would never do it, is incapable of doing it, and any suggestion to
the contrary is anti-Semitic propapanda. If you believe this you shouldn’t
be at university you should be in kindergarten. The world is full of the most
brazen liars, and the prosaic and often ugly fact is that the Jews have more
than their fare share.
> No, Al, “Jew boy” is never used a term of endearment by “street Jews.”
> This is probably the second most stupid thing you have ever written.
Recently I referred to a Jew as a Yid. The person I was with said I had
made an anti-Semitic remark. I pointed out that Yid is the Yiddish word
for Jew.
> Just one thing, could we please not hear your plaintive little bleats
> about your pure motives anymore?
You should examine your own motives before you question mine. If you read
Mein Kampf you will see that Hitler was not always an anti-Semite. If you
read his testament you will find that at the time the Allies were churning
out anti-Japanese propaganda about the Yellow Peril, Hitler was proclaiming
his friendship for the Japanese and praising the Chinese as the builders
of a superior civilisation. If you are so anxious to condemn Hitler he committed
plenty of real crimes you can indict him for. There is no need to invent
imaginary ones, like the “crime” of racism which your own “democratic”
government enshrined in law with segregation and anti-miscegenation laws.
Alexander Baron

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“ALoha” From the Pacific!!

Just a quick note to let you know that we
have a new Web Site up with info on the “Holocaust”
and it also exposes Talmudic/Judaism/”Judeo-Christianity”
in microcosm. Please check it out at:

http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/-(Page doesn`t exist)

P.S. We are new at all of this but are
familiar with BBS as we have had a BBS for some
time now. We are not sure if just where this is
going or who will read it “friend or foe” (grin)

Please let us know if we are “getting anywhere”…

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!

Aloha Nui Loa!!

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From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 08:13:25 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Believe us anyway. Or else we’ll call you anti-Semitic
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> 1) that the original including the negatives of these so called
> ‘Polish Resistance pictures’ are available and can be checked.
> [ibid. photo 17]
How do you know these are the originals?
> 2) Only a version presented at the exhibition in Auschwitz was
> a) cut out
> b) and apparently retouched.
> From those facts, an educated guess leads to the conclusion, who
> has done this, i.e. the staff of the museum there.
> It may be unfortunate, that exhibitions often simplify or vulgarize
> purposely or because of pedaguogic reasons. In my opinion, one cannot
> infer an intention of deception from that, as the scene can be identified
> as taking place near Krematorium V, as Pressac demonstrates using
> the originals.
They doctored a photograph therefore there was no deception. Typical
Exterminationist logic. Would you have been half so charitable if Robert
Faurisson had doctored this photograph?
> 3) When Pressac prepared his book, their still lived one witness,
> David Smulewski, testifiying the origin of these photographs
> and the circumstances which allowed some ‘Sonderkommando’-members
> to take them. Smulewskit lived in 1987 in France and was interviewed
> by Pressac [ibid p.424].
Originally, Smzulewski was credited with taking the photograph. According
to Pressac he didn’t actually take it, someone else did. Smzulewski was
part of a team sent to repair the roof of the gas chamber [sic] which had
been damaged with the deliberate intention of having this repair team sent in.
Right, let’s put this altogether. The Jewish underground decided to get
“proof” to the outside world that Jews were being gassed in Auschwitz. So they
arranged for the gas chamber roof to be damaged knowing full well that they
would be able to send in a Jewish workman to take a photo of it, or something
akin. This workman just happened to have the run of the camp. He turns up,
passes his camera to someone else – unnamed – who doesn’t take a photo
of the gas chamber [sic] but of bodies being burned in open pits and a group
of women. The women are actually old women, but some sicko paints them (touches
them up!) to make them look young and nubile. This photo was taken in August
1944 but – as far as I can make out – didn’t surface until 1945. After the
war?
There are no frames of reference, no proof that anyone was murdered, the negative,
is available, we are told, but we have no proof that it is genuine. Walendy
and company claim this photo is a fake and are denounced as anti-Semites. Forty
+ years afterwards it is finally admitted that it is a fake – sorry, has been
doctored. Again, no point of reference, no identifiable people, no proof that
the women were murdered, or that the photo was not staged. And what do we
deduce from all this? Baron’s task to lend credibility to “Revisionism”
has become harder again.
Ie, Baron’s credibility has been diminished. Oh boy.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
> Mr. Baron claims that this picture was used by the authors of _Six Million Did
> Die_ as ‘proof’ of
No, Mr Baron claims that this picture of Dr Klein amongst the cadavers at
Belsen is used as “proof” that the Germans exterminated Jews in gas chambers.
Such examples are not hard to find. There were no “exterminations” at Belsen;
ordinary war time brutalities in the final months, but no exterminations.
> the Dachau gassings. When confronted with the fact that one of the books
> employed as part of the
> bibliography for the book was precisely _The Belsen Case_ Mr. Baron
> down-shifted. Mr. Baron
> also employs some unidentified and un-numbered pages of a book that he claims
> to be the second
> edition of this book to further his fantasies.
Harry, for the Nth time, go and look the damned book up. Send a fax to the
South African Jewish Board of Deputies and get them to fax you the page numbers.
Mrs S Tuback
Librarian
Fax (27) (011)646-4940
The above info was valid in June 1994.
Don’t keep insinuating that I sent you fake photocopies, check them out.
I suspect that even some of your chums in this newsgroup are growing tired
of your innuendo.
> He doesn’t, of course, admit the existence of a gas chamber at Dachau. Whether
> it was ever used or
> not can be the subject of a new header as soon as Mr. Baron either accepts the
> existence of the gas
The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust – under Denial, Volume 2 – says that
when “eyewitnesses” report gassings at Dachau mistakenly, the Revisionists
pounce on this discrepancy. Lipstadt too says there were no gassings in
Dachau. Don’t argue with me, Harry. Argue with them.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 21:08:10 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron’s e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> So, Baron, you obviously don’t deny that you did send
> that e-mail to Alan Finkelstein, as you don’t deny the
> text attributed to you and you try to defend it? Yes?
I stand by every word, although I’m not sure the guy’s name was Finkelstein,
I thought it was Joel something.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 21:08:15 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> Central to Butz’ thesis is the idea that the Jews were capable not
> only of forging the thousands of documents necessary to perpetrate the
> “hoax,” not only capable of planting these documents where the Allied
> prosecutors could find them, but also of suborning all of the Allied
> governments to their trickery. That, as I am sure you will agree, is
> preposterous. But the all-powerful Jewish conspiracy is the oldest
> antisemitic canard in the book.
No, what you’re saying is that at the turn of the century the Tsarist police
cooked up a document called the Protocols of Zion which claimed that the Jews
were plotting to take over the world, therefore no Jewish organisation or
any organised group of Jews is capable of pulling the wool over anybody’s
eyes. That is incredibly naive.
Butz claims that the World Jewish Congress and others fabricated a report –
which even Pressac admits is largely inaccurate – and that the Allies and
the Russians fitted the Germans up for all manner of crimes after the war.
Gas chambers or not, that is exactly what happened. The dirty trick of
semantics you and your kind invariably employ is to insinuate that an attack
on Organised Jewry or any arm of it is an attack on the Jewish people as a
whole, including your local rabbi. By the same token any attack on the Mafia
is an attack on all Italians, on the IRA on all the Irish and so forth. Yours
is the most perfidious argument because it is the one which the great
mass of people swallow.
I’ll draw another parallel with the Protocols. Leon Poliakov points out
in THE HISTORY OF ANTI-SEMITISM that the Protocols and other Jewish conspiracy
literature was flooded onto the world from the backrooms of Rostov on Don.
It is an acknowledged fact that the Tsarist regime and the Nazis spent
enormous sums of money on anti-Semitic propaganda. It is a fact too well
documented to reference here that all governments and indeed many non-
governmental agencies – the anti-porn movement for example – spend millions
or billions of dollars every year promulgating propaganda, often disinformation
and outright lies – to discredit people they hate or are otherwise hostile to.
What you are saying Mr (Dr?) Morris is that Organised Jewry alone has never
done this, would never do it, is incapable of doing it, and any suggestion to
the contrary is anti-Semitic propapanda. If you believe this you shouldn’t
be at university you should be in kindergarten. The world is full of the most
brazen liars, and the prosaic and often ugly fact is that the Jews have more
than their fare share.
> No, Al, “Jew boy” is never used a term of endearment by “street Jews.”
> This is probably the second most stupid thing you have ever written.
Recently I referred to a Jew as a Yid. The person I was with said I had
made an anti-Semitic remark. I pointed out that Yid is the Yiddish word
for Jew.
> Just one thing, could we please not hear your plaintive little bleats
> about your pure motives anymore?
You should examine your own motives before you question mine. If you read
Mein Kampf you will see that Hitler was not always an anti-Semite. If you
read his testament you will find that at the time the Allies were churning
out anti-Japanese propaganda about the Yellow Peril, Hitler was proclaiming
his friendship for the Japanese and praising the Chinese as the builders
of a superior civilisation. If you are so anxious to condemn Hitler he committed
plenty of real crimes you can indict him for. There is no need to invent
imaginary ones, like the “crime” of racism which your own “democratic”
government enshrined in law with segregation and anti-miscegenation laws.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 21:10:07 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> 1) that the original including the negatives of these so called
> ‘Polish Resistance pictures’ are available and can be checked.
> [ibid. photo 17]
How do you know these are the originals?
> 2) Only a version presented at the exhibition in Auschwitz was
> a) cut out
> b) and apparently retouched.
> From those facts, an educated guess leads to the conclusion, who
> has done this, i.e. the staff of the museum there.
> It may be unfortunate, that exhibitions often simplify or vulgarize
> purposely or because of pedaguogic reasons. In my opinion, one cannot
> infer an intention of deception from that, as the scene can be identified
> as taking place near Krematorium V, as Pressac demonstrates using
> the originals.
They doctored a photograph therefore there was no deception. Typical
Exterminationist logic. Would you have been half so charitable if Robert
Faurisson had doctored this photograph?
> 3) When Pressac prepared his book, their still lived one witness,
> David Smulewski, testifiying the origin of these photographs
> and the circumstances which allowed some ‘Sonderkommando’-members
> to take them. Smulewskit lived in 1987 in France and was interviewed
> by Pressac [ibid p.424].
Originally, Smzulewski was credited with taking the photograph. According
to Pressac he didn’t actually take it, someone else did. Smzulewski was
part of a team sent to repair the roof of the gas chamber [sic] which had
been damaged with the deliberate intention of having this repair team sent in.
Right, let’s put this altogether. The Jewish underground decided to get
“proof” to the outside world that Jews were being gassed in Auschwitz. So they
arranged for the gas chamber roof to be damaged knowing full well that they
would be able to send in a Jewish workman to take a photo of it, or something
akin. This workman just happened to have the run of the camp. He turns up,
passes his camera to someone else – unnamed – who doesn’t take a photo
of the gas chamber [sic] but of bodies being burned in open pits and a group
of women. The women are actually old women, but some sicko paints them (touches
them up!) to make them look young and nubile. This photo was taken in August
1944 but – as far as I can make out – didn’t surface until 1945. After the
war?
There are no frames of reference, no proof that anyone was murdered, the negative,
is available, we are told, but we have no proof that it is genuine. Walendy
and company claim this photo is a fake and are denounced as anti-Semites. Forty
+ years afterwards it is finally admitted that it is a fake – sorry, has been
doctored. Again, no point of reference, no identifiable people, no proof that
the women were murdered, or that the photo was not staged. And what do we
deduce from all this? Baron’s task to lend credibility to “Revisionism”
has become harder again.
Ie, Baron’s credibility has been diminished. Oh boy.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 21:11:11 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> If you are referring to Rep. Paul Finlay of Illinois, I think you are dead
> wrong. I have
> considered him an anti-semite from the day he called the Director of the
> Department of
> Registration and Education of the State of Illinois and demanded to know why
> “Some
> damned Jew was fucking with one of his constituents.”
I don’t believe Findlay ever said such a thing. This sounds like ADL or some
other hatemongers’ black propaganda.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 21:11:18 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> This is the sort of thing that the revisionists always post in response to a
> request for proof. It’s the Jooos, it’s the Jooos, they control everything,
> they stop us telling the truth, it’s the Jooos, we’ve know what really
> happened, but the Jooos, they’re so powerful. On and bloody on. I asked for
> *proof*, Al. What you posted is not proof, it is paranoia.
This is a total distortion of what I said. I have said that the Zionist lobby/
Organised Jewry are extremely powerful and totally ruthless. They don’t control
everything, they certainly don’t control me.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> Mr. Baron… hello?
> Please forgive an innocent question, since I’m obviously unable to follow
> your advanced (and rather unique) form of logic.
> I was unaware that the word anti-Semite referred to those of Oriental
> extraction.
> Your claim that Hitler was not an anti-Semite because he was proclaiming
> friendship for Japanese and Chinese peoples seems to these tired eyes to
> be a remarkable non sequiter.
Read what I said, you dumb broad. I said Hitler was not always an anti-Semite.
And I said he was never anti-Chinese or anti-Japanese.-
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I don’t think anyone should have any further doubts
> as to just what kind of a person Al Baron is.
One who is not prepared to kiss the arse of Organised Jewry for fear
of being branded anti-Semitic.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 21:11:40 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Butz argues for a conspiracy of “Organized Jewry” that amounts to a
> good deal more than “pulling the wool over anybody’s eyes.” It amounts
> to a conspiracy on a scale undreamt of in the most feverish imaginings
> of the Tsarist police. If you want an example of naivete, look in the
> mirror. You’ve swallowed Butz’ absurd claims hook, line, and sinker.
I lead where the facts follow, however unpleasant the conclusions. Most of
what you refer to as a conspiracy is simply wilful blindness and self-deception,
and fear of being branded anti-Semitic, a powerful taboo in Western society.
> Actually, Al, what I am saying, with all my “dirty tricks of
> semantics,” is that the particular conspiracy that Butz posits is
> awfully hard to swallow.
Not to me it isn’t, the argument is sound and the facts fit.
> Brilliant argument. Because it is possible to lie, therefore
> “Organized Jewry” can do nothing else but lie.
They are not the only damned liars in the world, but they are certainly
amongst the most prolific and successful. Again, due largely to people being
too afraid to stand up to them.
> I am particularly taken with the phrase “Jews have more than their
> fair share” of “brazen liars.” I would be interested to know what
> construction I should put on the idea that Jews are more likely to lie
> that is not antisemitic.
Well, let me put it this way: there are about 50,000 people in British prisons:
90% of them are men. Now I think that is excellent evidence that men are more
likely to murder, thieve, cheat and steal than women, and I’m not afraid to
say so. That doesn’t mean that I am anti-male, simply that I am stating a fact.
In private mail I was told by an elderly – and obviously senile – Jewish member
of this newsgroup that I am a wicked anti-Semite because “I know of no Jewish
people who are criminals, who are alcoholics, who beat their wives…” etc
and ad nauseum. Praeger and Telushkin’s whining and wailing book WHY THE JEWS?
says exactly the same thing and more. In other words, Jews are more honest than
us goyim, better educated, more decent citizens etc. Ie they are saying exactly
the same thing as me only vice versa, and of course, they do have rather a
derth of evidence.
> I note in passing that after outright denial, the next strategy of
> neo-Nazi apologetics is the relativization of Nazi crimes. It is
> amazing that as a result of a few indiscreet words to Alan
> Finkelstein, you have revealed yourself as a text book case of what
> Lipstadt writes about.
My words to Alan Finkelstein were not at all indiscreet. He has been conned.
If I’m such a non-entity, why do you pay me such attention? And are personal
insults better than racial ones, real or imagined?
I think it is also indicative of the weakness of your arguments that you must
resort to this sort of “Baron used a racial epithet therefore he is an anti-
Semite and crank and you can’t believe a word he says” innuendo.
As to the relativisation of Nazi crimes, I don’t think the country that dropped
two Atom Bombs has got any right to preach to anyone. For the record I would
most definitely not want to live under any sort of Nazi regime, and have been
told more than once that if I did I would be one of the first to end up in
a concentration camp.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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The review below of American Renaissance is taken from a leading Libertarian
magazine.

A R T I C L E B E G I N S
=====================================================================
ZINE REVIEW
American Renaissance
Published monthly by the New Century Foundation, Kentucky
American Renaissance is the monthly journal of the New Century
Foundation, which is a white nationalist group. I choose to review it
because the past 29 issues have just come into my possession, and
and interesting read they make; and because I have lost Martin
Ball’s review of Treason at Maastricht, and must somehow fill this
space.
The journal contains little that I expected. It is not anti-semitic:
some of the best articles are by Jews. It avoids conspiracy theories:
I found not a mention of black helicopters or Illuminati. It pushes
neither social credit nor protectionism: generally, it is “sound” on
economics. It ignores all the mystical and Germanic stuff that I
normally associate with racism. Instead, it clearly and insistently
states four propositions:
First, crime in the United States is largely the work of blacks and
hispanics. Areas still predominantly white are safe and orderly places.
Areas that are not are increasingly violent, and increasingly like the
nastier parts of the third world.
Second, so far from helping, policies of welfare and affirmative action
have only made things worse. Welfare finances the growth of the non-
white population. Affirmative action displaces whites from positions
to which merit entitles them, and encourages collective loyalties that
would be denounced as racism if expressed by whites, but that are
praised when expressed by others – and are praised all the more in
proportion to how indifferent or even hostile they are to the American
way of life.
Third, these differences of behaviour reflect differences of genetic
potential. It is an effect not of environment, for example, that the
average black IQ score is 15 points below the white average, but of a
natural inferiority. Nor is it environment alone that makes so many
blacks violent and dishonest. According to Michael Levin [AR, April
1995], the behaviour typical to any group is as much the product of
natural selection, and is passed on in the same way, as the prompting
that certain birds feel to fly south in winter. The races are different,
he believes, because “selection for morality need not have been
uniform”. He contrasts the behaviour appropriate in “the colder,
harsher, Eurasian environment in which whites and Asians evolved”
and in sub-Saharan Africa, where “honesty, sexual self-restraint, and
cooperativeness… did not have the same evolutionary value”. In
conclusion:
Black behavior that is unacceptable by white standards….
is how traits that were once adaptive in Africa express
themselves in Western urban society. [Ibid.]
Blacks cannot be held responsible for the drive by shootings or any of
the other horrors described in the regular “O Tempora, O Mores!”
section of American Renaissance. It is their nature. We might as well
blame a fox for carrying off chickens.
Fourth, salvation begins with the fostering of a “white racial
consciousness”. White children are to be taught white culture and
white moral values, and to feel pride in the achievements of the white
race. What comes next is still disputed. Rabbi Mayer Schiller and
Richard McCulloch [AR, February 1995] call for separation. The
United States is to be divided into white, black, hispanic and mixed
states, each independent of the other. Samuel Francis [AR, March
1995] calls for a reassertion of white supremacy. In his utopia, there
will be equality before the law – but this
does not mean political equality, the right to vote, or the
right to hold political office, let alone social and economic
equality, nor the `right’ to attend the same schools, to serve
on juries, to marry across racial lines, to serve in the
armed forces, to eat at lunch counters, to ride on buses, to
buy a house or rent a room or hold a job, to receive welfare,
to be admitted to colleges and universities, to take
academic degrees or to be promoted. [Ibid.]
But the need for radical action now is agreed. Other things being
equal, whites will become a minority of the American population
before the middle of the next century. It will then be just a matter of
time before they are entirely submerged by the “rising tide of color” –
or are swept away by it.
Now, I confess that I want American Renaissance to be wrong. If it is
right, then I am not. If the future of civilisation depends on a choice
between ethnic cleansing and apartheid, I am wasting my time in the
Libertarian Alliance. I am not saying this to curry favour with the
Guardian-reading classes – though their disapproval could do me
endless harm – but to alert my readers to a bias in what follows that
I can fight but may not overcome. This being said, I do believe that
American Renaissance is wrong in all that it considers most important.
I will not deny the first two propositions. Rabbi Schiller has already
answered the reply I would have made to the first:
Obviously, large numbers of blacks and Hispanics are not
violent, of low IQ, or disinclined to work. The question is
not whether all members of a racial group behave in a
certain way, but whether enough do so to make the
societies they create undesirable for whites. [AR, February
1995]
The second two, however, I will deny. Though given much support by
claims about identical twins separated at birth, and the like [eg, AR,
August 1993], the notion that genetic inheritance determines the
intricacies of behaviour is at least unnecessary.
Take any group of people. Conquer them. Enslave them. Even after
emancipation, treat them like dangerous wild animals, and erect all
manner of formal and informal barriers to keep them in the lowest
class of poverty. Then, after another hundred years, turn about and
start worshipping them. Subsidise some of them to produce hordes of
illegitimate children, where resident fathers are scarce, and resident
fathers with jobs almost unknown. Give others privileged access to
jobs and courses and public contracts; and call it “hate” if anyone
complains about this. Encourage them to like only each other. Teach
them that everyone else is actively conspiring against them, and has
been ever since, in some shadowy past, all the art and philosophy and
science that they first developed were somehow “stolen” from them.
Then, after most of these people have been thoroughly demoralised,
tighten existing laws against possession that make drug trafficking
into a lucrative, if dangerous, profession. Do all this, and there will
be enough stories for “O Tempora, O Mores!” to curdle anyone’s blood.
This is a better explanation not because – as the writers of American
Renaissance might reply – it lets me carry on believing in human
equality. It is better because environment explains many other facts
that genetics cannot explain without refinements that look like the
rescue hypotheses of Marxism or the Ptolemaic system. I have read
much in American Renaissance about Detroit and Haiti and Rwanda.
I have read nothing about what is happening in the former
Yugoslavia, where the savages at least look white. Nor have I read
anything about the condition of Ireland and Scotland in the 17th
century, where the communal violence – and occasional cannibalism –
shocked observers who had known the 30 Years War.
The obvious rescue is to say that not all whites are equally “white”.
But this at best destabilises the main argument. William Robertson
Boggs [AR, December 1992] shows how “East and West Africans differ
in important ways that explain why they excel in different sports”.
Well, if blacks differ physically, they might differ in other ways – so
that some black races might be more intelligent and orderly than some
white. Certainly, the Zulus seem a more sensible people than the
Bosnian Serbs.
As for “intelligence”, the writers of American Renaissance are obsessed
with IQ scores. For myself, I doubt if these measure more than the
ability to pass IQ tests. I have yet to read The Bell Curve, which I am
told answers every doubt. But there are few people in Mensa whom
I do not regard as conceited half-wits, and would not cross most roads
to avoid meeting.
No – the second two propositions are neither necessary nor fully
considered. And so, until it may be needed, let us forget all this
apocalyptic stuff, and try a few policy changes. Let us abolish welfare
and the drug laws and the whole apparatus of equal opportunities and
Western guilt. I will not repeat what Nicholas Dykes and Brian
Micklethwait have said already in this issue; but a new set of signals,
I am sure, will produce a new set of responses.
Though I disagree with much in American Renaissance, it is,
undeniably, an interesting read. At the very least, it was worth
reading for the graphics – some of which I have plagiarised for Free
Life.
American Renaissance is available from the New Century Foundation,
PO Box 1674, Kentucky 40201, United States of America. Overseas
surface subscriptions cost US$30 per year. Cheques (US$ only) should
be made payable to American Renaissance. Otherwise, the equivalent
in convertible foreign currency should be sent.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] indulges himself in a little bit of
> Jew-baiting:
> Mr. Baron did include the words ‘gas chambers’ and accurately
> stated that they were spared from this experience, and went on
> to New York where they latter moved to Miami Beach to retire and
> draw social security and appear on the Donahue Show as regular
> guest to explain about their amazing escape from a great peril.
All I did actually was make a sarcastic comment about them going to live
in New York. As I’ve found several reports of survivors allegedly “gassed”
or otherwise disposed of living happily many years later I think that is
fair comment. But if you don’t think so, you don’t have to take it seriously.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]2.digex.net>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> You should be able to find the book with the text of Lanzmann’s
> documentary “Shoah” and probably the videos of the documentary itself.
> Lanzmann, a private individual making a documentary, went to Suchomel and
> asked him to talk. Suchomel made him promise not to use his name –
> a promise which Lanzmann broke.
I”ve seen part of the film of Shoah. Are you suggesting that it was to
be taken seriously? The barber in the gas chamber and everything?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> >I haven’t read all the testimonies. Have you?
> That’s not an answer, that’s just another evasion. Do you believe that all the
> above lied? If you do, and according to your beliefs, they must have, what
> proof have you got? Please detail that proof.
If I remember correctly, you’re the guy who took the piss out of me about the
photomontages then said you were going to look them up. Well, that was weeks
ago. What have you done about it? Did you order Did 6 Million Really Die?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Aug 9 12:59:23 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> However, Demjanjuk did seem to have some connection to a place called
> “Sobibor.” Calling him _totally_ innocent might be overstating your case
> a bit.
there was a book published on the Demjanjuk case about 1986. It showed clearly
that he was being framed – primarily, I believe, by the Wiesenthalers. This is
something I do know a bit about, having seen documentation on their methods
>from a Latvian source. Even the Board of Deputies of British Jews didn’t
want to have anything to do with Wiesenthal, he’s that bad.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Aug 9 13:40:37 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> Under proper direction the Jews should now in the course of the
> Final Solution be brought to the East in a suitable way for use
> as labor. In big labor gangs, with separation of the sexes, the
> Jews capable of work are brought to these areas and employed in
> road building, in which task undoubtedly a great part will fall
> out through natural diminution.
> The remnant that finally is able to survive all this – since this
> is undoubtedly the part with the strongest resistance – must
> be treated accordingly since these people, representing a natural
> selection, are to be regarded as the germ cell of a new Jewish
> development. (See the experience of history).
So where does it say they are then to be gassed?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> Well, I may claim now – that your knowledge about all this is zero:
> you proved yourself by your conduct in this exchange, that you have
> no idea about the sources, no ability to verify your own claims even
> from published material, and that you have no knowledge about easily
> available central documents.
Go ahead if it makes you happy. Am I to understand though that it has never
been claimed officially that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis? Is
that what you’re claiming?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Wed Aug 9 13:51:54 PDT 1995
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“The white races did, of course, give some things to the natives,
and they were the worst gifts that they could possibly have made,
those plagues of our own modern world – materialism, fanaticism,
alcoholism and syphilis. For the rest, since these peoples pos-
sessed qualities of their own which were superior to anything we
could offer them, they have remained essentially unchanged. Where
imposition by force was attempted, the results were even more
disastrous…One solitary success must be conceded to the coloni-
zers: everywhere they have succeeded in arousing hatred…”
Adolf Hitler February 7th 1945
“For us, Japan will always remain an ally and a friend. This war
will teach us to appreciate and respect her more than ever. It
will encourage us to draw more tightly the bonds which unite our
two countries.” Adolf Hitler 18th February, 1945
“…I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred. It is, in
any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races.
Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to
admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good
results…Pride in one’s own race – and that does not imply con-
tempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I
have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior
to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I freely
admit that their past history is superior to our own. They have
the right to be proud of their own past, just as we have the
right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong.” Adolf
Hitler, 13th February, 1945
“A million Arabs aren’t worth a Jewish fingernail” Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
in the wake of the Hebron massacre.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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I saw a TV programme about the death penalty last night and it showed
a still of a certain Mr Leuchter who was said to have invented a machine
that had been been used to execute at least 3 people by lethal injection.
It described him as a self-styled engineer and said that the executions had
been botched – whatever that means – but it does appear to further support
his claim that he had consulted as an execution specialist with US penitentiaries.
Has anyone got any further genuine information on this?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> As to whether you believe or not is of little consequence. Indeed,
> considering the garbage that you do believe it is almost a compliment to be
> informed of your disbelief.
I am not prepared to take at face value your slanders on Paul Findley because
I know the way you people operate. Findley has also written two excellent
books and from them is no manner of anti-Semite.
> BTW I am still waiting to hear your exoneration of Al Capone. It’s been a
> long week and I need a good laugh.
My REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION is availabel from ITMA at
3 pounds sterling surface mail.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Now you know how I feel about some of your descriptions of what I’ve
> said. No, you didn’t say _all_ Jews, that’s true enough. But of course
> you didn’t _specify_ any Jews either. Therefore you invite everyone to
> think that any _particular_ Jew could be one of “them.”
> Thus you smear all Jews while being able to maintain that you only
> mean certain Jews (whom you never name). If you were a better thinker I’d
> call you disingenuous, but I really think you _don’t_ understand the
> implications of your vague accusations.
Okay Mike, I’ll name them:
the ADL
the Simon Wiesenthal Center
the Board of Deputies of British Jews – “defence committee”
AJEX
the Searchlight Organisation (not exclusively Jewish)
AIPAC etc.
This is no big secret, Mike. There are a number of books on this subject
although most are related to the Israel lobby. Check them out.
I have never suggested that you are one of these people; you are at least
prepared to give a fella a hearing. The above organisations are not, and for
that reason I would suggest that you have more in common with Libertarians
like myself than with Kosher fascists like them. Incidentally, the founder
of Libertarianism was a Jew!
Re the WRB report, the available evidence indicates that it was produced by
Polish Jews (and Gentiles) foisted on the reluctant West, and later endorsed
– along with all the hate propaganda – by the Allies and the Reds. It has the
appearance of a development of interest, a bandwagon, rather than a conspiracy.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> (sorry, couldn’t resist…)
If you think they have any control over me at all I suggest you contact
the Board of Deputies director Mike Whine – yes, that really is his name.
They’ve long been sorry they cross swords with me, and they’ll be even
sorrier before they’re much older.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron’s e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <408ul7$1[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I might be inclined to debate this point with you if you were to
> present even one argument of substance or if you actually knew any
> facts.
> I’ll take your opening sentence as a mistake and an unintended irony.
Butz has presented all the relevant facts; the War Refugee Board report
has been admitted to be based largely on hearsay. It was presented as
eyewitness testimony but was later admitted to have not been any such thing;
therefore they lied.
> >> Actually, Al, what I am saying, with all my “dirty tricks of
> >> semantics,” is that the particular conspiracy that Butz posits is
> >> awfully hard to swallow.
>You
> never say why your little library of antisemites claims that this or
> that photo was faked or this or that document was forged. You never
> present evidence. You never argue with reputable historians.
You may recall “reputable historians” such as Deborah (there is no debate)
Lipstadt are not prepared to argue. Whose fault is that?
> Whether or not Alan Finkelstein has been conned, how does that entitle
> you to call him “Jew boy,” to call someone else a “yid,” and to refer
> to Jews in general as “stupid” and “brazen liars”? Supposing you were
> merely frustrated with Mr. Finkelstein, what does it say about you
> that you resort to antisemitic terminology to express your
> frustration?
> You don’t seem to get it. People get to decide what terms they deem
> insulting, not you. Whatever the etymology of “yid,” Jews have decided
> that it is a racial slur. Just because you know the etymology, doesn’t
> mean that it is acceptable behavior for you to go around calling Jews
> “yids.” If you don’t know what even school children know, then I can
> only conclude that you are indeed an ignorant man. Having explained
> this to you, if you persist in using racial epithets, then I may
> safely conclude that you are altogether stupid.
Well, for the record, Dillibe Onyeama published a highly acclaimed book
about his schooldays called NIGGER AT EATON and another later called JOHN
BULL’S NIGGER. Labi Sifri recently published an autobiography called NIGGER.
Faggots have started calling themselves queers on both sides of the Atlantic;
so I just don’t happen to find the phrase “Jew boy” that offensive. I’ve also
used the word bitch not a few times to describe females, but that doesn’t mean
that I hate women, though maybe a particular woman. Furthermore, I was trying
to shine a little light into your friend’s darkness, so used thus it was really
more a term of endearment. It shows
how desperate you are to smear me that you would use this as ultimate proof
of my alleged anti-Semitism.
> Why do I bother with such a non-entity as yourself? Because, whether
> you are a fool or liar, you are spreading falsehoods. Rather, you are
> parrotting the falsehoods of antisemites and neo-Nazis whose aim is to
> rehabilitate Nazism as a respectable political alternative.
Non-entity, fool, liar. You’re not short of a few insults yourself, my friend.
> Hardly an innuendo, but a straight forward statement. I have come to
> the conclusion that your beliefs about the Holocaust are motivated by
> your dislike of the Jews.
My beliefs about the Holocaust are motivated by my own researches and
the evidence that is there for all to see. Even you.
> I suppose you are right that you’d be one of the first if history
> repeated itself exactly and the new regime started exterminating
> “useless eaters” first.
More insults!
> Look, Al. Why don’t we just take it as read that you are an antisemite
> and that you are not afraid to be called one?
Well, actually I’m suing somebody at the moment for making that – and related
claims – and I am going to win.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I, for one, don’t see it that way. Baron’s antisemitic diatribe
> and Hitler-apologetic rubbish do not prove that he is a liar,
> they only reflect on his personality in particular and on
> the personality of Holocaust-deniers in general, to some
> extent, because the large majority of them are antisemites
> and Hitler apologists.
Please tell me when I have ever apologised for Hitler? In my last publication
I actually refer to him as a monster, perhaps a slight overstatement, but
I’m sure you’ll forgive the hylperobolae this once.
> However, Baron is not a liar and a fool because he writes
> antisemitic and Hitler-apologetic material. He is a liar
> and a fool because he writes lies and nonsense.
No he does not.
> Baron’s really a strange person. I think that, deep inside,
> he sort of realizes what a bunch of low-life Nazi scums
> Holocaust deniers are, and he doesn’t really want to
> belong to that crowd; I think it’s part of his frustration
> and hate that he does belong there.
Hey, the guy’s a shrink. Perhaps it’s because I had a rotten childhood.
But this realization
> also pushes him, in some twisted way, to try and court
> the “anti-revisionists” here;
I’m not interested in courting anyone, except maybe an attractive female.
> Baron’s just barely intelligent enough to realize how dumb he
> really is, and it’s driving him mad.
Are you sure it’s not you he’s driving mad?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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(was: Believe us anyway. Or else we’ll call you anti-Semitic)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Certainly. After Mr. Baron explains how the page numbers on the First Edition
> correspond to those
> on his ‘second’edition.
Harry, I have NEVER seen the First Edition of this book!
> > The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust – under Denial, Volume 2 – says that
> > when “eyewitnesses” report gassings at Dachau mistakenly, the Revisionists
> > pounce on this discrepancy. Lipstadt too says there were no gassings in
> > Dachau. Don’t argue with me, Harry. Argue with them.
> The argument is not whether there were gassings or not in Dachau. It is whether
> or not
> there is a gas chamber. Once Mr. Baron answers this simple question, he can
> question
> whether or not it was ever used.
Harry, when the Americans liberated Dachau they found a shower – an ordinary
shower – which they labelled a gas chamber; they also found a delousing
chamber which they had the temerity to label a gas chamber. Your chums
Suzman and Diamond publish in their book a pile of corpses which they say
are of people who were gassed. Now I will ask you one more time, were these
people gassed or did Suzman and Diamond lie?
No more. Put up or shut up.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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> Perhaps Mr. Baron could obtain a copy of the First (and only?) edition. There
> are
> excellent lending libraries in London.
Harry, if you troll through the National Union Catalogue or do a search on
RLIN – and if you can’t I’m sure one of your academic friends can – you will
find 4 copies in US libraries. Now stop taking the piss. This book exists, I
sent you photocopies from it. If you don’t believe me, do the research. Put
up or shut up.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Aug 10 06:24:17 PDT 1995
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> 2- Alexander Baron
> In the case of Baron, we deal with a man whom I suspect is not playing
> with a full deck. In his latest post, Baron takes exceptional statements
> from Adolf HItler (which are not known to be authentic) and a well-known
> statement from a single Jew to demonstrate that Hitler was not racist —
> in fact, was something of a humanitarian — and Jews are racists.
> The truth is, we have thousands of statements from Adolf Hitler from
> before 1933 to 1945 in print and in radio recordings and newsreels
> in which he becomes apoplectic at Jews and other cursed
> “non-Germans” living in central Europe. It’s silly to argue that
> Hitler wasn’t a racist.
This quote is authentic; Hitler was not a “racist” period.
> Are Jews racist? Some of the West Bank settlers are. Meir Kahane
> was racist. But are they even significant in Israel’s 5 million
> population? Anybody that thinks Jews are racist forgets that Kahane
> was universally condemned at home in Israel. Here, too. The
> man was an embarrassment. He wasn’t typical at all.
I was attacking Zionism and Zionist indoctrination, not the benign but banal
Jewish religion. As for Kahane, I’ve read his book and don’t think he was
such a bad guy.
> Baron probably doesn’t know the Civil Rights demonstrations
> of the 1960s here in the U.S. the way that people of my age do.
> When Southern blacks were beaten by lawmen for using water
> fountains and public bathrooms and bus station waiting rooms,
> it was primarily Jews who came down south to protest.
Actually, the distinguished American-Jewish scholar Nathaniel Weyl said that
it was the activities of these sort of scumbags which caused anti-Semitism.
Within
> a very few years, roughly the period from 1961 to 1965, the practices
> of a century were halted because of Jews who were sick of racism.
This was not an act of solidarity with the so-called oppressed. It was the
expression of the hatred of a certain type of Jew for Western society. And
Communist mischief-makers.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Thu Aug 10 06:24:20 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “JWCCTI1” writes:
> Believe me, Baron, by February, 1945, any glowing thing Adolf said
> about his comrades-in-arms was nervous whistling in the dark. If you’ll
> recall, eights weeks later, he did the only decent thing he ever did and
> killed himself.
I am not an admirer of Hitler, I am simply making a point that Hitler hated
the Jews – for sure – but was not a race-hater. I am not condoning his
anti-Semitism, simply documenting a fact.
> > “A million Arabs aren’t worth a Jewish fingernail” Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
> > in the wake of the Hebron massacre.
> … and unequivocally racist, despite what anybody else ever said or did.
> You want an argument, f’r crissakes?
As my friends in the Neturei Karta say: the Hebron massacre symbolises
Zionism in its true form.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 15:36:05 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I feel certain that many of our white racist and nationalist readers
> have put up with Alexander Baron’s maunderings, since they keep me and
> my kind busy trying to keep the historical record straight rather than
> dealing with the present enemy, you, the white racists and
> nationalists. Nevertheless it is beyond me why you put up with what,
> in a peculiar way, are his slanderous attacks on Adolf Hitler.
> Are you really going to let him get away with characterizing Hitler as
> some kind of liberal multiculturalist?
Hitler was no kind of multi-culturalist, he was a cultural chauvinist. For
the benefit of the previous poster, these quotes are 100% authentic. They are
>from his TESTAMENT, published 1961 & 62 with a foreword by Hugh Trevor-Roper.
Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
>Is Baron
> really claiming these quotes “prove” Hitler didn’t hate
> Jews and consider them subhuman?
I never said Hitler was not anti-Jewish; only a fool would say that. If you
thought I were a fool Dr Keren you wouldn’t get so angry.
> It is quite clear that even if Hitler said nice things about
> the Japanese and that even if there are racist Jews, this
> doesn’t change the fact that Hitler was a racist and Jew-hater.
Hitler was not a “racist”; he was simply an anti-Semite.
“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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$Aids is govt plot: German doctor$, published in the SA Times,
August 9, 1995, page 7: a German doctor visiting Zimbabwe is said
to have launched his new book in Harare, $Aids – Origin, Spread and
Healing$, which claims that AIDS is transmitted by agents in the
air and food, and that the virus was not mainly transmitted sex-
ually. It has been developed as “a well-orchestrated move by the
governments of some developing countries to reduce the African
population and ‘subtly re-introduce colonialism’.”
Personally speaking I can’t see a ha’porth of difference between this
lunacy and JEWS MASS POISON AMERICAN CHILDREN a la Eustace Mullins.
Can you imagine though the uproar this pillock would have caused if he’d accused
the Jews of being behind this. Talk about double standards.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 15:36:15 PDT 1995
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As I have pointed out many times before, I do not deny the gassings, I claim
they are unproven. I have been asked what it would take to make me believe in
them.
In Reitlinger’s book – pages 188 & 559, 1953 edition – he mentions a film that
was taken – allegedly – of an actual gassing.
Find that film and authenticate it, and I will concede that the Nazis did indeed
gas Jews, although the actual scale of any gassings will still be the subject of
some debate.
You have your big chance now to shut me – and others like me – up for good.
The ball is now in your court.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 15:36:45 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> I’m not prepared to give a damn what you believe or not. But the
> evidence on Findley is clear — he’s a jewhater, plain and
> simple.
You’re forgetting something Mr Rosenberg, I’ve seen the way you people operate,
I’ve been on the receiving end of it. You have not the faintest respect for truth:
truth is whatever suits your ends and an anti-Semite is any goy who doesn’t
kiss your arse. Where is the documentation on Paul Findley you slanderous
git? From your scumbag, smearmonger friends in the ADL, I’ll bet, the organisation
that kept files on 800 organisations and 12,000 Americans.
> >My REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION is availabel from ITMA at
> >3 pounds sterling surface mail.
> That’s about five pounds sterling too much.
Actually I’ve got a few kind words to say in it about a so-called Jewish gangster
too.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 15:36:52 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron’s e-mail to Alan Finkelstein
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Sara aka Perrrfect” writes:
> From his writings, it certainly sounds to ME that Hitler was always an
> anti-Semite. He sure didn’t love Jews when he wrote his book.
“In the Jew I saw only a man who was of a different religion, and therefore,
on grounds of human tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be
attacked because he was of a different faith. And so I considered the tone
adopted by the anti-Semitic Press in Vienna was unworthy of the
cultural traditions of a great people…”
James Murphy’s Mein Kampf – the only authorised translation
Alexander Baron

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The Metropolitan Police are currently being sued by a black man after wrongfully
arresting him, impounding his car, then having it stolen from the police pound!
What was that about black muggers?
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
Mike, I don’t know who forged the Turin Shroud, but that doesn’t mean it
is genuine. As stated, it’s not that all these documents are forgeries, they
simply don’t prove what you and others claim they prove.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 21:23:47 PDT 1995
Article: 30991 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> Newer research (*) gives a number of the same magnitude – the lower bound
> of this estimate is at about 5.3 million. This number is ascertained
> by sufficient documentary sources. An estimate of about 6 million Jews
> murdered by the Nazis can be justified from that research.
Thanks a lot, a proper, unevasive answer for once. That does not of course
mean that the contents of all these documents are true.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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Article: 30993 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> This is just to announce. In the case of the “Polish Resistance”
> photographs, I have amply demonstrated that Mr.Baron severely
> misrepresented and distorted what Pressac really said. In that
> case, he refused as well to provide an proper citation.
How have I misrepresented them? These were said to have been taken
by David Szmulewski, at the time. Pressac claims they were not taken
by him, in addition to that he admits, blatantly, that one of them, which
was – allegedly – of a group of old women, was retouched to make it look
like young women. This was 40 years later. Were it not for Revisionism,
that photo would be unchallenged to this day. All the same, we have only the
word of Szmulewski, and perhaps one or two others – who are hardly unbiased
witnesses – that these photos were taken when and where it is claimed. I don’t
see that I have misrepresented anything. These photographs do not have
proper frames of reference, they were taken by someone other than the person
originally claimed, and they have been doctored significantly. That is as plain
a case of forgery as I have ever seen. Furthermore, they do not prove that a
group of women were gassed [sic], simply that they took their clothes off.
I have found one book by a survivor which claims this was a regular occurrence,
part of the delousing process.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 21:23:56 PDT 1995
Article: 30994 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler – Racist?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Brian Thompson” writes:
> How about some more nifty quotes from Hitler?
> “Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that
> it’s half judaized and the other half negrified. How can one expect
> a state like that to hold together?”
> or this pearl of tolerance and wisdom:
> “The Americans ought to be ashamed of themselves for letting
> their medals be won by Negroes.”
> Hitler a rascist? That’s one of the kinder judgments one could make
> about him. How about all around evil bastard and mass-murdering
> lunatic?
> I can’t believe I took the time to even answer such a scary post.
> –Brian
I don’t believe Hitler said any such thing. That sounds just like the sort
of poison spewed out by the pooh bahs in Hollywood and at the New York Times.
which means that it does indeed qualify as racial hatred, to wit, the
unconditional racial hatred of American Zionist Jews who were doing their best
to drag the United States into a war against Germany.
Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 21:24:01 PDT 1995
Article: 30995 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A DAY AT AUSCHWITZ WITH DR
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> Do you understand that these conjectures and insinuations without
> evidence are not only insulting? They make transparent that in your
> view lying and deceiving are normal scholarly methods.
That is EXACTLY my view. Obviously you haven’t heard of Piltdown Man,
Summerlin’s mouse, Newton fudging his data, Mendel’s too perfect bean
experiments, Sir Cyril Burt’s twin study, polywater, N-rays, cold fusion,
or the plethora of deceptions in the hard sciences. Hardly an issue of
Nature goes by without somebody being accused of fraud. There are two very
good books BETRAYERS OF THE TRUTH and FALSE PROPHETS which cover this subject;
lies and deception in the social sciences are even more common, or haven’t
you read the declaration of the French historians?
It should be patently obvious to any honest person that even the more honest
exterminationists in this newsgroup – like Mike Stein – are interested first
and foremost in branding all Revisionists liars to discredit them and in
proving that gassings happened rather than conducting any sort of enquiry
into this tragic period and assessing the evidence for and AGAINST the alleged
genocide.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
Mike, I don’t know who forged the Turin Shroud, but that doesn’t mean it
is genuine. As stated, it’s not that all these documents are forgeries, they
simply don’t prove what you and others claim they prove.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 10:27:01 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> Newer research (*) gives a number of the same magnitude – the lower bound
> of this estimate is at about 5.3 million. This number is ascertained
> by sufficient documentary sources. An estimate of about 6 million Jews
> murdered by the Nazis can be justified from that research.
Thanks a lot, a proper, unevasive answer for once. That does not of course
mean that the contents of all these documents are true.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> This is just to announce. In the case of the “Polish Resistance”
> photographs, I have amply demonstrated that Mr.Baron severely
> misrepresented and distorted what Pressac really said. In that
> case, he refused as well to provide an proper citation.
How have I misrepresented them? These were said to have been taken
by David Szmulewski, at the time. Pressac claims they were not taken
by him, in addition to that he admits, blatantly, that one of them, which
was – allegedly – of a group of old women, was retouched to make it look
like young women. This was 40 years later. Were it not for Revisionism,
that photo would be unchallenged to this day. All the same, we have only the
word of Szmulewski, and perhaps one or two others – who are hardly unbiased
witnesses – that these photos were taken when and where it is claimed. I don’t
see that I have misrepresented anything. These photographs do not have
proper frames of reference, they were taken by someone other than the person
originally claimed, and they have been doctored significantly. That is as plain
a case of forgery as I have ever seen. Furthermore, they do not prove that a
group of women were gassed [sic], simply that they took their clothes off.
I have found one book by a survivor which claims this was a regular occurrence,
part of the delousing process.
Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond