Baron 3, Baron Al

I’m sure I posted this article a couple of days ago but it doesn’t
seem to have got through. And another, longer comment. Strange?

>In article <[email protected]> you write:

>> A few days ago, Baron posted a long article which contained
>> Eli Wiesel’s testimony about some people being burned alive in
>> the “cremation ditches” in Auschwitz, and quoted Faurisson:
>
>
The point you miss Dr Keren (it is Dr, isn’t it?) is that Wiesel said
he saw a lorry draw up and watched its load, children, thrown into the
flames before his very eyes. This did not happen, certainly not at
Auschwitz. This was a post-war invention of Wiesel’s sick mind. Dr Gisella
Perl also suffered from similar delusions.
>
If you don’t believe me, consult the contemporary reports. Even that arch-liar
Rudolph Vrba didn’t claim this.

Faurisson did not lie, what he said is that it is no longer claimed that
people were thrown into the fire the same way that it is still claimed that
they were sent to the gas chambers, hundreds at a time.

Wiesel lied. He did not see any lorry draw up and disgorge its load of
young children into the flames; this is a product of his sick mind.
Have you ever considered how you would throw hundreds of people into a
ditch at a time. Wouldn’t some of them jump out? Wouldn’t there be a riot?

This story is almost as ridiculous as the claims that Jews were ushered
into the gas chambers with a towel and a bar of soap apiece.

Alexander Baron

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E-Mail [email protected]

June 13, 1995

Dear Harry Mazal,

Enclosed are pages 122, 123, 127, 128, 129 & 131 of the offending
book together with a detailed critique of it from the Second
Edition of my book – which won’t be published until next year if
ever. Wilhelm Staglich has made some comment on the Red Cross
report in his book $Auschwitz: A Judge Looks At The Evidence$. For
the record, I feel that Staglich’s book is quite possibly the
best book on this subject ever written, better even than Butz,
and an honest – if deceived – man like yourself could do far
worse than read it.

Re the current enclosure, compare what Suzman and Diamond say
with Sereny $New Statesman$, November 2, 1979 and $Encyclopedia of
the Holocaust$, volume 2, page 685. This is really not a difficult
subject, the simply fact is that these people lie through their
teeth and every time they’re caught with their hand in the till
they scream anti-Semitic. What else can they do when the lies are
both so frequent and so blatant?

Recently I wrote a lengthy letter to a distinguished philosopher
– which I’ll E-mail you if you promise to keep it confidential.
This, like my $Public Reply To The Ongoing Libels Of Organised
Jewry$, exposes them for what they are.

When they yell and scream about anti-Semitism it is their own
vested interest and officially sanctioned lies they are protect-
ing. They don’t really give a monkey’s about the Jews, including
you, anymore than they do about the rest of mankind.

All the contemporaneous “proofs” of the Holocaust have now been
either thoroughly discredited or quietly forgotten, especially
the War Refugee Board Report. New “proofs” are having to be
invented. It is not the Revisionists who have rewritten the
history of this tragic period, but the Zionists, Organised Jewry
generally, the Communists, and not least the Allies. This is what
all the hysteria is about.

If you want to discuss this more fully by E-Mail I will be happy
to. I have nothing to hide; I am not the one who is forever
clamouring for censorship and state repression. No Revisionist
is. It’s you who have been conned, Harry, you who are the victim.
Now that you’ve seen at least part of the truth you can either
join us – with all the social ostracism, vilification and perse-
cution that entails – or side with your deceivers.

Yours sincerely,
A Baron

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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I’ve posted all this stuff because – I’ve finally realised that I’ve been
making a fool of myself by misposting to private mail. If there is any
duplication here I apologise.

Appended is an appendix to my – possibly forever? – unpublished Second Edition.
Now Harry, what about those fake photographs and Zionist sponsored lies?

Appendix I: The “Trust Me, I’m A Lawyer”
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism

$SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$ was first published
in South Africa in October 1976, and, according to the $PREFACE
TO THE SECOND EDITION$, “was widely commended as a significant legal
and historical contribution to the study of the Holocaust”. (1) I
purchased this book in 1982 or 1983 on my first and only visit to
the Libertarian Bookshop in London. Needless to say, just because
a book is sold by Libertarians doesn’t mean its authors have any commitment
to individual liberty. The authors of this whining, wailing polemic
are two leading South African Zionists: Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond;
the subtitle is of course an unfortunate irony, as is the orange sticker
which appears on the front cover: $NEW EDITION WITH FURTHER FACTS$
it proclaims, but like all anti-Revisionist literature it promises
far more than it delivers.
The book itself is “DEDICATED to THE MEMORY of THE MARTYRED MILLIONS”.
A martyr is someone who dies for his beliefs; if one accepts the Exterminationist
hypothesis, then the victims of Nazism died not for their beliefs,
but for those of their persecutors.
On page 5 the authors list the $falsifications and distortions$
used by Richard Harwood in $Did Six Million Really Die?;$ one
of these is the fake photographs. Here is what Messrs Suzman and Diamond
have to say about this.
“Harwood alleges that the numerous films and photographs depicting
Nazi atrocities are faked. He purports to establish this by two photographs…He
states that the origin of the first photograph is unknown and alleges
that the second is a montage, in which a photograph of a heap of corpses
has been superimposed on the foreground of the first photograph.
The first photograph in fact was actually produced in evidence at
the major Nuremberg Trial.” (2)
The authors seem to think this is some kind of refutation, but they
have not answered the question! One version of this photograph is
reproduced on page 128 with the caption $”A policy of deliberate
and systematic starvation”$. As there are (at least?) two versions
of this photograph, at least one of them must be a fake. And in any
case, such photographs do not prove that the German High Command enforced
a policy of deliberate and systematic starvation; read the current
writer’s comments on Belsen, (pages 61-2).
Suzman and Diamond list other footage of films which they claim
to be genuine, of which no doubt some, or even the vast majority,
are, but what do they prove? On the adjacent page for example they
reproduce two photographs with the caption “Belsen – From the film
exhibited at the Eichmann Trial.” (3)
But again, what is this supposed to prove? That Jews were exterminated
at Belsen? The scenes of bodies being bulldozed or buried in mass
graves are truly horrifying, but were these people $exterminated$?
The answer is of course – and for the Nth time – an emphatic NO! So
however many genuine films they exhibit of Belsen, Dachau, etc, the
victims of typhus epidemics or mass starvation at a time when the
German people themselves were on the verge of starvation, is not even
$prima facie$ evidence of an extermination programme. It should
not be necessary to keep repeating this, but unfortunately it is.
The detractors of Holocaust Revisionism simply do not appreciate the
ludicrousness of their arguments. (4) On the one hand they admit that
there were no exterminations at Belsen, etc, then, virtually in the
same breath, they point to the terrible scenes of mass graves at these
camps and claim, or infer, that this is $prima facie$ evidence
of genocide. And still they do not tackle the subject of fake photographs,
instead they brazenly reproduce other fakes which they use as $evidence$
to support their claims!
On page 82, the authors reproduce three archive photographs with
the caption “After removing their clothing, they were shot…and the
bodies were buried in trenches”. Udo Walendy reproduces one of these
photographs in his book and proves that it is in fact a drawing! (5)
Other fake photographs also appear on page 102 – (pages 26 and 27
in Walendy’s book); page 96 – (pages 14 and 15, Walendy); page 92
– (page 66, Walendy). (6) Somebody is telling lies about the Holocaust.
Not just Zionists, and not just Jews! (7)
There is a lot of comment on Harwood’s $falsification of statistics$.
We have already dealt with this in the chapter on the demographics
of the Holocaust. (8) The current writer does not believe that Mr
Verrall deliberately falsified any statistics concerning the numbers
of war dead. I will only repeat Dr Butz’s earlier comment that all
published statistics are (more or less) meaningless in the sense that
they can be used to prove whatever the researcher wants. It is only
natural that Verrall would select statistics which strengthen his
case; Exterminationists and true believers in the Holocaust do the
same.
There is some comment too on what the authors call $The Spurious
Attack on the Authenticity of the Diary of Anne Frank$. Again, this
appears to have been a genuine mistake over the lawsuit between Meyer
Levin and Otto Frank, and shows the extreme care that must be taken
by all researchers into any aspect of Holocaust lore.
On page 16 under the heading $Falsification of Conditions in
the Concentration Camps$ they refer to the book $Under Two Dictators$,
by Margarete Buber. The substance of their claim is that Harwood (Verrall)
has quoted passages selectively.
“In 1944 a second crematorium was built on the other side of the
bunkers and the black stinking smoke which belched out of the chimneys
became one of the ordinary features of the Ravensbrueck scene…The
overseers and SS men were fond of telling us that the only way we
should ever leave Ravensbrueck would be ‘up the chimney’.”
This sounds remarkably like the origin of Gitta Sereny’s claim (see
Appendix L), which was related to non-extermination camps. Again there
is the nonsense about the black smoke belching out: again, consult
someone who works in a crematorium. (9)
Leaving this aside though, Margate Buber’s book $UNDER TWO DICTATORS$
is certainly worth reading, and Harwood’s claim that it paints an
entirely different picture of life in a Nazi concentration camp from
the one generally perceived is substantially correct. The reader is
referred to Appendix N for an overview of it.
Although Suzman and Diamond’s book runs to over a hundred and thirty
pages, it says little of merit. Basically it is all depositions from
$reputable$ historians, like the establishment dupe Hugh Trevor-Roper
about what a terrible time the Jews had in the Second World War and
how much they suffered. Trevor-Roper’s contribution is not worth the
paper it is printed on, but for him, sadly, this is nothing new. (10)
There is a spurious attempt to justify the Nuremberg Trials backed
up by quotes from Lord Shawcross and Lord Elwyn-Jones, both of whom
have a vested interest in traducing the facts. Even if their comments
are sincere, they tell us nothing about the treatment of the prisoners.
The testimony of Albert Speer (pages 61-3), is worth even less. All
the testimony about the conditions in Appendix IV is worthless, especially
the photograph on page 128 (which we have already encountered). On
page 91 they quote with satisfaction the $evidence$ of Rudolph
Hoss. But it is page 73 which contains the most significant statement
in this book, and the one for which all this verbose garbage is nothing
but sophistic window dressing.
“Freedom of expression, though fundamental, is not absolute.” writes
co-author Suzman. “It entitles to criticise and to question – it does
not entitle to pervert the truth. It does not entitle, by falsehood
and deceit, to inflame racial animosity.”
You can be sure that this is not a condemnation of the fake photographs
and other lying anti-German hate propaganda which has been spewed
out by Suzman’s co-racialists since 1945. And it most certainly does
not include the photograph on page 122 of Suzman and Diamond’s book
which is captioned “$Victims of the$ [non-existent] $Dachau gas chamber lie piled
to the ceiling in the crematorium.$” Surely this is an
obvious incitement against the Germans? What Suzman is saying is,
in essence, the same thing as the Board of Deputies of “British” Jews,
the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith and a plethora of other
Jewish and Zionist organisations have been saying for as long as anyone
can remember. Ban the Nazis, ban the anti-Semites, stop them spreading
these awful stories about us wonderful Jews. And of course, $they$
decide who is a Nazi, who is an anti-Semite and what constitutes $truth$.
Suzman and Diamond’s book is living proof of their and all Zionists’
commitment to historical truth, or rather the lack of it. This idea
of free speech to say whatever the Jews permit us to say has always
seemed novel to me, and indeed to most Libertarians and everybody
on the so-called extreme right. Needless to say, Suzman and Diamond
do not think it a novel idea at all, nor does the vast majority of
the Jewish establishment, either in their native South Africa, Britain
or anywhere else. Which is the principal reason they see and experience
so much $anti-Semitism$. “If you are not with us, you are against
us. If you do not allow us to trample all over you, then you must
be anti-Semitic.” If this perverted logic weren’t so tragic, it would
be laughable.

Letter To The Authors Of
“Six Million Did Die”

The following is the text of a letter which was posted to the authors
of $Six Million Did Die$, in January 1983. Spelling mistakes
etc, have been corrected, and the writer’s name concealed, apart from
that, this is a faithful reproduction. Needless to say, no reply was
ever received. [The layout of the text has been preserved as closely
as possible.]

MR. Arthur Suzman Q.C. and
MR. Denis Diamond. M.A.
831 Innes Chambers
Pritchard Street
Johannesburg
South Africa. Wednesday 19th January, 1983.

Dear Sirs,

I have read your book “Six Million Did Die” (2nd Edition).
Firstly I would like to congratulate you on putting forward a powerful
case without the hysteria and name calling which inevitably accompanies
such works.
I have read several ‘Revisionist’ books and on the surface the “Harwood”
pamphlet is very convincing, at least to those, particularly young
people, who have not made a detailed study of the Nazi Policy towards
the Jews. Thank you for tearing it to shreds in such an objective
and dispassionate manner. (11)
Nevertheless, I would like to ask one or two questions and raise
several points about your book which must be clarified. If you can
satisfy me to these points, I shall be convinced for life of the baseness
of the claims put forward by Butz and company.
1…According to ‘Harwood’ there were no gassings at Dachau camp.
Will you please clear up these points..(a) Was there a gas chamber
at Dachau, (b) if so, were inmates, Jews or others gassed to death
there, (c) if so, how many approximately?
2…According to one American newspaper ($Spotlight$, 24th September,
1979), Mrs Simone Veil, nee Jacob, is listed as gassed at Auschwitz
on April 16th, 1944, yet Mrs Veil in fact survived the war, and was
formerly President of the European Parliament. Is this true? If so,
how many other Jews less famous, are listed as gassed when in fact
they survived?
3…I have also read in an openly anti-Semitic newspaper, ($National
Vanguard$) that on October 6th, 1980, a German publication,$
Der Spiegel,$ wrote that the $Diary of Anne Frank$ is a fake.
In particular that parts of the diary could not have been written
until 1951. I have heard that there is more than one version of the
diary. Is this true?
Having read the diary, once as a gullible youth, and then later with
a little more critical judgement, I can honestly say that I do not
believe it to be the work of a 13 year old girl. Do you consider it
was written by an immature teenager? Incidentally, the world famous
“Book of the Month Club” is now listing the diary as fiction. (11)
4…You devote almost your entire book to reviewing the Harwood ie.
Verrall pamphlet, yet you give less than two pages to the book which
was hailed (albeit by right wing extremists) as the definitive study
of the subject and the standard work. Why?
I would not like to comment on the accuracy or otherwise of the Butz
book, but it is a far more thorough book than the former.
5…The question of the validity of the War Crimes Trials has been
raised; do you, Mr Suzman, as a Q.C., consider such trials, with the
victors trying the vanquished, as impartial? Do you refute the charges
that the Nazi prisoners at the Nuremberg Trials were tortured?
6…The Eichmann trial…was Eichmann kidnapped by Mossad?…if so,
do you consider his “voluntary” statements to have any merit?
7…The question of the authenticity of certain photographs has been
raised; let us take for example the two photos which Harwood uses.
You must agree that they cannot both be genuine? Now, the questions
must be asked and answered: a) Why was it necessary to fake this photograph?
and b) how many others are not genuine?
According to the German author and publisher, Udo Walendy, the following
photos from “6 Million Did Die” are fakes.
The photo on page 82 of your book. The top one was first introduced
into the Holocaust literature in 1960, and there are at least three
versions of it; the photos on page 92 top and bottom, particularly
the bottom one has been posed for; the photos on page 102 the author
asserts prove nothing, they are produced without text, dates, names,
etc and that many have been touched up. Others, he asserts are simply
drawings or photographed paintings; I am not an expert so cannot offer
professional comment either way, nevertheless, much of what he says
could be true…comment please?
8…In your opinion how many people were murdered at Auschwitz?
I hope you will be kind enough to answer my questions, as I am at
present preparing a text on the subject of what one Jewish historian
has called “The men who whitewash Hitler”, and I hope that you will
be able to assist me in exposing this whitewash for what it really
is.

Yours Faithfully,

If I recall, I signed the letter in my own name. This letter is, I
am afraid, quite appalling. The original contained numerous spelling
mistakes and errors of syntax which have been corrected here. [The
layout of the text has been preserved as closely as possible.] Needless
to say, the writer did not receive a reply nor even any acknowledgement;
it was written, incidentally, at a time when I believed $The Diary
Of Anne Frank$ to be a fake. When I am proved wrong I change my
mind; when Suzman and Diamond and their kind are proved wrong (or,
more often, liars) they denounce their protagonists as “anti-Semitic”.

Appendix I: The “Trust Me, I’m A Lawyer”
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism

(1) $SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$, NEW EDITION
WITH FURTHER FACTS [sic], by Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond, published
by the South African Jewish Board of Deputies, Johannesburg, (1978),
page xi.
(2) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, pages 17-8, (ibid).
(3) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, page 19, (ibid).
(4) Or perhaps they do!
(5) Walendy, $Forged War Crimes malign the German Nation$, pages
18-9, (op cit). No publisher is credited for the English edition but
it is copyright 1979 and is available from the nice Mr Hancock at
Historical Review Press, Brighton, Sussex. Being a forger himself
– of banknotes – Teflon Tony will certainly appreciate this little
collection.
(6) Interestingly, the top photograph on page 92, exposed by Walendy
as a fake, is reproduced by Professor Butz, (page 74, op cit), who
accepts it as genuine!
(7) This is a very important point and one that should be borne in
mind by anti-Semites when they promote Holocaust Revisionism to further
their own bizarre theories and less than honourable ends. If one studies
Jewish history objectively, it becomes clear that the Jews do in fact
have a long and dishonourable tradition of deception. But so do the
British! And, after recent events in the Gulf, the trashing of Iraq,
and, earlier, the campaign against Libya and its charismatic leader,
Colonel Qathafi, a strong case can be made out for adding the Americans
to this list.
But again, when one claims that the Americans are not to be trusted,
that the British are deceitful, that the Jews are liars, one is not
attacking the entire nation but principally the leaders. An attack
on ‘the Jews’ is always wilfully misrepresented by philo-Semites,
Jewish apologists, communists and of course, Jews themselves, and
always for the same purpose: to stifle legitimate criticism.
Returning to the Holocaust itself: such an enormous hoax – if indeed
it is – could only have been perpetrated, and continue to be perpetrated
to this day, by the willing co-operation of the Americans, the British,
and other Western governments. Most of the people who continue to
plug the proven lies of the Holocaust, be they Jews or Gentiles, are,
like these two good ol’ boys, uncomprehending dupes.
(8) The fact that this chapter is so short amounts to an admission
by the current writer of the utter hopelessness of this approach.
(9) See in particular the current writer’s detailed analysis of Kitty
Hart in the chapter $More Holocaust Liars Exposed$.
(10) He was the sap who authenticated the Hitler diaries. Also, by
the latter’s admission/claim, he trained David Irving!
(11) This is more wishful thinking than compliment.
(12) I didn’t read the diary cover to cover as a teenager though I’m
fairly certain that I must have looked over it. Certainly I read Gerda
Klein’s book, and others besides.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> >If you check Mollo’s PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE SS you’ll find another
> >problem. After the liberation of Buchenwald, some photos were staged by
> >former inmates dressed in SS uniforms, tht is openly admitted.
>
> We were discussing the photo of open pit corpse burning at Auschwitz,
> I thought. Is it your contention that staged photos at Buchenwald prove
> that an Auschwitz photo is a drawing? Didn’t you complain about Suzman
> and Diamond showing piles of typhus victims at Belsen as proof of
> gassings at Auschwitz? Care to explain what’s different?

Dear me, I thought we had made real progress, you even sent me a joke. The
fact that staged photos are recycled as the real McCoy proves that somebody
is being dishonest, Simon Wiesenthal in particular, he used one of these
staged photos in a mass mailing to Germany. I’ve checked this out.

Obviously staged photos prove nothing, but the point is that they are
recycled constantly without the proper credits. You should also ask yourself
why, if there are so many genuine photos, are so many dodgy ones recycled. You
should also ask yourself what the genuine ones really prove.

Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
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In article
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>
> >> More disturbing than the assertion that “When a grown-up man has
> >had
> >>intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less
> >than
> >>this (three years old-footnote tells us), it is as if one puts the
> >finger
> >>into the eye, tears come to the eye again, so does virginity come back
> >to
> >>the little girl under three years.” (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >Sanhedrin

This is complete bollocks. The quotes are accurate but the meaning has been
completely distorted. This is a passage which deals with the qualification of
virginity, ie if a young girl is violated, is she still considered a virgin
below a certain age? Yes, that age is three. There are similar – and similarly
boring – passages dealing with the age of seminal emission and the penalty
for falling off a ladder, landing on someone’s head and killing him and
other equally unlikely scenarios. The Talmud takes up about 8 feet of library
shelf with this turgid guff.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jerzy Pankiewicz” writes:
> You bloody idiot. The experiments were made, not only on Jews, but
> also non-Jewish Poles. If you don’t stop your ignorant postings
> I’ll try to find some Poles living in UK who would teach you
> respect.
> Your truly,
> Jerzy Pankiewicz

Like myself, Mr Roberts is a man who is less impressed by veiled – or in
your case not so veiled – threats of violence than with well documented
arguments. Your proof by assertion will, I am sure, be rejected even by
Jamie McCarthy, who is hardly a Roberts apologist.

Alexander Baron

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> >NO e-mail from Jews

Except your employer? The ADL perhaps?

Alexander Baron

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93c Venner Road,
Sydenham,
London SE26 5HU.
England.
0181 659 7713.
E-Mail [email protected]
June 13, 1995

Dear Harry Mazal,

Enclosed are pages 122, 123, 127, 128, 129 & 131 of the offending
book together with a detailed critique of it from the Second
Edition of my book – which won’t be published until next year if
ever. Wilhelm Staglich has made some comment on the Red Cross
report in his book $Auschwitz: A Judge Looks At The Evidence$. For
the record, I feel that Staglich’s book is quite possibly the
best book on this subject ever written, better even than Butz,
and an honest – if deceived – man like yourself could do far
worse than read it.

Re the current enclosure, compare what Suzman and Diamond say
with Sereny $New Statesman$, November 2, 1979 and $Encyclopedia of
the Holocaust$, volume 2, page 685. This is really not a difficult
subject, the simply fact is that these people lie through their
teeth and every time they’re caught with their hand in the till
they scream anti-Semitic. What else can they do when the lies are
both so frequent and so blatant?

Recently I wrote a lengthy letter to a distinguished philosopher
– which I’ll E-mail you if you promise to keep it confidential.
This, like my $Public Reply To The Ongoing Libels Of Organised
Jewry$, exposes them for what they are.

When they yell and scream about anti-Semitism it is their own
vested interest and officially sanctioned lies they are protect-
ing. They don’t really give a monkey’s about the Jews, including
you, anymore than they do about the rest of mankind.

All the contemporaneous “proofs” of the Holocaust have now been
either thoroughly discredited or quietly forgotten, especially
the War Refugee Board Report. New “proofs” are having to be
invented. It is not the Revisionists who have rewritten the
history of this tragic period, but the Zionists, Organised Jewry
generally, the Communists, and not least the Allies. This is what
all the hysteria is about.

If you want to discuss this more fully by E-Mail I will be happy
to. I have nothing to hide; I am not the one who is forever
clamouring for censorship and state repression. No Revisionist
is. It’s you who have been conned, Harry, you who are the victim.
Now that you’ve seen at least part of the truth you can either
join us – with all the social ostracism, vilification and perse-
cution that entails – or side with your deceivers.

Yours sincerely,
A Baron

Alexander Baron
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I’ve posted all this stuff because – I’ve finally realised that I’ve been
making a fool of myself by misposting to private mail. If there is any
duplication here I apologise.

Appended is an appendix to my – possibly forever? – unpublished Second Edition.
Now Harry, what about those fake photographs and Zionist sponsored lies?

Appendix I: The “Trust Me, I’m A Lawyer”
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism

$SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$ was first published
in South Africa in October 1976, and, according to the $PREFACE
TO THE SECOND EDITION$, “was widely commended as a significant legal
and historical contribution to the study of the Holocaust”. (1) I
purchased this book in 1982 or 1983 on my first and only visit to
the Libertarian Bookshop in London. Needless to say, just because
a book is sold by Libertarians doesn’t mean its authors have any commitment
to individual liberty. The authors of this whining, wailing polemic
are two leading South African Zionists: Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond;
the subtitle is of course an unfortunate irony, as is the orange sticker
which appears on the front cover: $NEW EDITION WITH FURTHER FACTS$
it proclaims, but like all anti-Revisionist literature it promises
far more than it delivers.
The book itself is “DEDICATED to THE MEMORY of THE MARTYRED MILLIONS”.
A martyr is someone who dies for his beliefs; if one accepts the Exterminationist
hypothesis, then the victims of Nazism died not for their beliefs,
but for those of their persecutors.
On page 5 the authors list the $falsifications and distortions$
used by Richard Harwood in $Did Six Million Really Die?;$ one
of these is the fake photographs. Here is what Messrs Suzman and Diamond
have to say about this.
“Harwood alleges that the numerous films and photographs depicting
Nazi atrocities are faked. He purports to establish this by two photographs…He
states that the origin of the first photograph is unknown and alleges
that the second is a montage, in which a photograph of a heap of corpses
has been superimposed on the foreground of the first photograph.
The first photograph in fact was actually produced in evidence at
the major Nuremberg Trial.” (2)
The authors seem to think this is some kind of refutation, but they
have not answered the question! One version of this photograph is
reproduced on page 128 with the caption $”A policy of deliberate
and systematic starvation”$. As there are (at least?) two versions
of this photograph, at least one of them must be a fake. And in any
case, such photographs do not prove that the German High Command enforced
a policy of deliberate and systematic starvation; read the current
writer’s comments on Belsen, (pages 61-2).
Suzman and Diamond list other footage of films which they claim
to be genuine, of which no doubt some, or even the vast majority,
are, but what do they prove? On the adjacent page for example they
reproduce two photographs with the caption “Belsen – From the film
exhibited at the Eichmann Trial.” (3)
But again, what is this supposed to prove? That Jews were exterminated
at Belsen? The scenes of bodies being bulldozed or buried in mass
graves are truly horrifying, but were these people $exterminated$?
The answer is of course – and for the Nth time – an emphatic NO! So
however many genuine films they exhibit of Belsen, Dachau, etc, the
victims of typhus epidemics or mass starvation at a time when the
German people themselves were on the verge of starvation, is not even
$prima facie$ evidence of an extermination programme. It should
not be necessary to keep repeating this, but unfortunately it is.
The detractors of Holocaust Revisionism simply do not appreciate the
ludicrousness of their arguments. (4) On the one hand they admit that
there were no exterminations at Belsen, etc, then, virtually in the
same breath, they point to the terrible scenes of mass graves at these
camps and claim, or infer, that this is $prima facie$ evidence
of genocide. And still they do not tackle the subject of fake photographs,
instead they brazenly reproduce other fakes which they use as $evidence$
to support their claims!
On page 82, the authors reproduce three archive photographs with
the caption “After removing their clothing, they were shot…and the
bodies were buried in trenches”. Udo Walendy reproduces one of these
photographs in his book and proves that it is in fact a drawing! (5)
Other fake photographs also appear on page 102 – (pages 26 and 27
in Walendy’s book); page 96 – (pages 14 and 15, Walendy); page 92
– (page 66, Walendy). (6) Somebody is telling lies about the Holocaust.
Not just Zionists, and not just Jews! (7)
There is a lot of comment on Harwood’s $falsification of statistics$.
We have already dealt with this in the chapter on the demographics
of the Holocaust. (8) The current writer does not believe that Mr
Verrall deliberately falsified any statistics concerning the numbers
of war dead. I will only repeat Dr Butz’s earlier comment that all
published statistics are (more or less) meaningless in the sense that
they can be used to prove whatever the researcher wants. It is only
natural that Verrall would select statistics which strengthen his
case; Exterminationists and true believers in the Holocaust do the
same.
There is some comment too on what the authors call $The Spurious
Attack on the Authenticity of the Diary of Anne Frank$. Again, this
appears to have been a genuine mistake over the lawsuit between Meyer
Levin and Otto Frank, and shows the extreme care that must be taken
by all researchers into any aspect of Holocaust lore.
On page 16 under the heading $Falsification of Conditions in
the Concentration Camps$ they refer to the book $Under Two Dictators$,
by Margarete Buber. The substance of their claim is that Harwood (Verrall)
has quoted passages selectively.
“In 1944 a second crematorium was built on the other side of the
bunkers and the black stinking smoke which belched out of the chimneys
became one of the ordinary features of the Ravensbrueck scene…The
overseers and SS men were fond of telling us that the only way we
should ever leave Ravensbrueck would be ‘up the chimney’.”
This sounds remarkably like the origin of Gitta Sereny’s claim (see
Appendix L), which was related to non-extermination camps. Again there
is the nonsense about the black smoke belching out: again, consult
someone who works in a crematorium. (9)
Leaving this aside though, Margate Buber’s book $UNDER TWO DICTATORS$
is certainly worth reading, and Harwood’s claim that it paints an
entirely different picture of life in a Nazi concentration camp from
the one generally perceived is substantially correct. The reader is
referred to Appendix N for an overview of it.
Although Suzman and Diamond’s book runs to over a hundred and thirty
pages, it says little of merit. Basically it is all depositions from
$reputable$ historians, like the establishment dupe Hugh Trevor-Roper
about what a terrible time the Jews had in the Second World War and
how much they suffered. Trevor-Roper’s contribution is not worth the
paper it is printed on, but for him, sadly, this is nothing new. (10)
There is a spurious attempt to justify the Nuremberg Trials backed
up by quotes from Lord Shawcross and Lord Elwyn-Jones, both of whom
have a vested interest in traducing the facts. Even if their comments
are sincere, they tell us nothing about the treatment of the prisoners.
The testimony of Albert Speer (pages 61-3), is worth even less. All
the testimony about the conditions in Appendix IV is worthless, especially
the photograph on page 128 (which we have already encountered). On
page 91 they quote with satisfaction the $evidence$ of Rudolph
Hoss. But it is page 73 which contains the most significant statement
in this book, and the one for which all this verbose garbage is nothing
but sophistic window dressing.
“Freedom of expression, though fundamental, is not absolute.” writes
co-author Suzman. “It entitles to criticise and to question – it does
not entitle to pervert the truth. It does not entitle, by falsehood
and deceit, to inflame racial animosity.”
You can be sure that this is not a condemnation of the fake photographs
and other lying anti-German hate propaganda which has been spewed
out by Suzman’s co-racialists since 1945. And it most certainly does
not include the photograph on page 122 of Suzman and Diamond’s book
which is captioned “$Victims of the$ [non-existent] $Dachau gas chamber lie piled
to the ceiling in the crematorium.$” Surely this is an
obvious incitement against the Germans? What Suzman is saying is,
in essence, the same thing as the Board of Deputies of “British” Jews,
the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith and a plethora of other
Jewish and Zionist organisations have been saying for as long as anyone
can remember. Ban the Nazis, ban the anti-Semites, stop them spreading
these awful stories about us wonderful Jews. And of course, $they$
decide who is a Nazi, who is an anti-Semite and what constitutes $truth$.
Suzman and Diamond’s book is living proof of their and all Zionists’
commitment to historical truth, or rather the lack of it. This idea
of free speech to say whatever the Jews permit us to say has always
seemed novel to me, and indeed to most Libertarians and everybody
on the so-called extreme right. Needless to say, Suzman and Diamond
do not think it a novel idea at all, nor does the vast majority of
the Jewish establishment, either in their native South Africa, Britain
or anywhere else. Which is the principal reason they see and experience
so much $anti-Semitism$. “If you are not with us, you are against
us. If you do not allow us to trample all over you, then you must
be anti-Semitic.” If this perverted logic weren’t so tragic, it would
be laughable.

Letter To The Authors Of
“Six Million Did Die”

The following is the text of a letter which was posted to the authors
of $Six Million Did Die$, in January 1983. Spelling mistakes
etc, have been corrected, and the writer’s name concealed, apart from
that, this is a faithful reproduction. Needless to say, no reply was
ever received. [The layout of the text has been preserved as closely
as possible.]

MR. Arthur Suzman Q.C. and
MR. Denis Diamond. M.A.
831 Innes Chambers
Pritchard Street
Johannesburg
South Africa. Wednesday 19th January, 1983.

Dear Sirs,

I have read your book “Six Million Did Die” (2nd Edition).
Firstly I would like to congratulate you on putting forward a powerful
case without the hysteria and name calling which inevitably accompanies
such works.
I have read several ‘Revisionist’ books and on the surface the “Harwood”
pamphlet is very convincing, at least to those, particularly young
people, who have not made a detailed study of the Nazi Policy towards
the Jews. Thank you for tearing it to shreds in such an objective
and dispassionate manner. (11)
Nevertheless, I would like to ask one or two questions and raise
several points about your book which must be clarified. If you can
satisfy me to these points, I shall be convinced for life of the baseness
of the claims put forward by Butz and company.
1…According to ‘Harwood’ there were no gassings at Dachau camp.
Will you please clear up these points..(a) Was there a gas chamber
at Dachau, (b) if so, were inmates, Jews or others gassed to death
there, (c) if so, how many approximately?
2…According to one American newspaper ($Spotlight$, 24th September,
1979), Mrs Simone Veil, nee Jacob, is listed as gassed at Auschwitz
on April 16th, 1944, yet Mrs Veil in fact survived the war, and was
formerly President of the European Parliament. Is this true? If so,
how many other Jews less famous, are listed as gassed when in fact
they survived?
3…I have also read in an openly anti-Semitic newspaper, ($National
Vanguard$) that on October 6th, 1980, a German publication,$
Der Spiegel,$ wrote that the $Diary of Anne Frank$ is a fake.
In particular that parts of the diary could not have been written
until 1951. I have heard that there is more than one version of the
diary. Is this true?
Having read the diary, once as a gullible youth, and then later with
a little more critical judgement, I can honestly say that I do not
believe it to be the work of a 13 year old girl. Do you consider it
was written by an immature teenager? Incidentally, the world famous
“Book of the Month Club” is now listing the diary as fiction. (11)
4…You devote almost your entire book to reviewing the Harwood ie.
Verrall pamphlet, yet you give less than two pages to the book which
was hailed (albeit by right wing extremists) as the definitive study
of the subject and the standard work. Why?
I would not like to comment on the accuracy or otherwise of the Butz
book, but it is a far more thorough book than the former.
5…The question of the validity of the War Crimes Trials has been
raised; do you, Mr Suzman, as a Q.C., consider such trials, with the
victors trying the vanquished, as impartial? Do you refute the charges
that the Nazi prisoners at the Nuremberg Trials were tortured?
6…The Eichmann trial…was Eichmann kidnapped by Mossad?…if so,
do you consider his “voluntary” statements to have any merit?
7…The question of the authenticity of certain photographs has been
raised; let us take for example the two photos which Harwood uses.
You must agree that they cannot both be genuine? Now, the questions
must be asked and answered: a) Why was it necessary to fake this photograph?
and b) how many others are not genuine?
According to the German author and publisher, Udo Walendy, the following
photos from “6 Million Did Die” are fakes.
The photo on page 82 of your book. The top one was first introduced
into the Holocaust literature in 1960, and there are at least three
versions of it; the photos on page 92 top and bottom, particularly
the bottom one has been posed for; the photos on page 102 the author
asserts prove nothing, they are produced without text, dates, names,
etc and that many have been touched up. Others, he asserts are simply
drawings or photographed paintings; I am not an expert so cannot offer
professional comment either way, nevertheless, much of what he says
could be true…comment please?
8…In your opinion how many people were murdered at Auschwitz?
I hope you will be kind enough to answer my questions, as I am at
present preparing a text on the subject of what one Jewish historian
has called “The men who whitewash Hitler”, and I hope that you will
be able to assist me in exposing this whitewash for what it really
is.

Yours Faithfully,

If I recall, I signed the letter in my own name. This letter is, I
am afraid, quite appalling. The original contained numerous spelling
mistakes and errors of syntax which have been corrected here. [The
layout of the text has been preserved as closely as possible.] Needless
to say, the writer did not receive a reply nor even any acknowledgement;
it was written, incidentally, at a time when I believed $The Diary
Of Anne Frank$ to be a fake. When I am proved wrong I change my
mind; when Suzman and Diamond and their kind are proved wrong (or,
more often, liars) they denounce their protagonists as “anti-Semitic”.

Appendix I: The “Trust Me, I’m A Lawyer”
Technique Of Anti-Revisionism

(1) $SIX MILLION DID DIE: the truth shall prevail$, NEW EDITION
WITH FURTHER FACTS [sic], by Arthur Suzman and Denis Diamond, published
by the South African Jewish Board of Deputies, Johannesburg, (1978),
page xi.
(2) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, pages 17-8, (ibid).
(3) Suzman and Diamond, $Six Million Did Die$, page 19, (ibid).
(4) Or perhaps they do!
(5) Walendy, $Forged War Crimes malign the German Nation$, pages
18-9, (op cit). No publisher is credited for the English edition but
it is copyright 1979 and is available from the nice Mr Hancock at
Historical Review Press, Brighton, Sussex. Being a forger himself
– of banknotes – Teflon Tony will certainly appreciate this little
collection.
(6) Interestingly, the top photograph on page 92, exposed by Walendy
as a fake, is reproduced by Professor Butz, (page 74, op cit), who
accepts it as genuine!
(7) This is a very important point and one that should be borne in
mind by anti-Semites when they promote Holocaust Revisionism to further
their own bizarre theories and less than honourable ends. If one studies
Jewish history objectively, it becomes clear that the Jews do in fact
have a long and dishonourable tradition of deception. But so do the
British! And, after recent events in the Gulf, the trashing of Iraq,
and, earlier, the campaign against Libya and its charismatic leader,
Colonel Qathafi, a strong case can be made out for adding the Americans
to this list.
But again, when one claims that the Americans are not to be trusted,
that the British are deceitful, that the Jews are liars, one is not
attacking the entire nation but principally the leaders. An attack
on ‘the Jews’ is always wilfully misrepresented by philo-Semites,
Jewish apologists, communists and of course, Jews themselves, and
always for the same purpose: to stifle legitimate criticism.
Returning to the Holocaust itself: such an enormous hoax – if indeed
it is – could only have been perpetrated, and continue to be perpetrated
to this day, by the willing co-operation of the Americans, the British,
and other Western governments. Most of the people who continue to
plug the proven lies of the Holocaust, be they Jews or Gentiles, are,
like these two good ol’ boys, uncomprehending dupes.
(8) The fact that this chapter is so short amounts to an admission
by the current writer of the utter hopelessness of this approach.
(9) See in particular the current writer’s detailed analysis of Kitty
Hart in the chapter $More Holocaust Liars Exposed$.
(10) He was the sap who authenticated the Hitler diaries. Also, by
the latter’s admission/claim, he trained David Irving!
(11) This is more wishful thinking than compliment.
(12) I didn’t read the diary cover to cover as a teenager though I’m
fairly certain that I must have looked over it. Certainly I read Gerda
Klein’s book, and others besides.

Alexander Baron

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[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> >If you check Mollo’s PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE SS you’ll find another
> >problem. After the liberation of Buchenwald, some photos were staged by
> >former inmates dressed in SS uniforms, tht is openly admitted.
>
> We were discussing the photo of open pit corpse burning at Auschwitz,
> I thought. Is it your contention that staged photos at Buchenwald prove
> that an Auschwitz photo is a drawing? Didn’t you complain about Suzman
> and Diamond showing piles of typhus victims at Belsen as proof of
> gassings at Auschwitz? Care to explain what’s different?

Dear me, I thought we had made real progress, you even sent me a joke. The
fact that staged photos are recycled as the real McCoy proves that somebody
is being dishonest, Simon Wiesenthal in particular, he used one of these
staged photos in a mass mailing to Germany. I’ve checked this out.

Obviously staged photos prove nothing, but the point is that they are
recycled constantly without the proper credits. You should also ask yourself
why, if there are so many genuine photos, are so many dodgy ones recycled. You
should also ask yourself what the genuine ones really prove.

Alexander Baron

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In article
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>
> >> More disturbing than the assertion that “When a grown-up man has
> >had
> >>intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less
> >than
> >>this (three years old-footnote tells us), it is as if one puts the
> >finger
> >>into the eye, tears come to the eye again, so does virginity come back
> >to
> >>the little girl under three years.” (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >Sanhedrin

This is complete bollocks. The quotes are accurate but the meaning has been
completely distorted. This is a passage which deals with the qualification of
virginity, ie if a young girl is violated, is she still considered a virgin
below a certain age? Yes, that age is three. There are similar – and similarly
boring – passages dealing with the age of seminal emission and the penalty
for falling off a ladder, landing on someone’s head and killing him and
other equally unlikely scenarios. The Talmud takes up about 8 feet of library
shelf with this turgid guff.

Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jerzy Pankiewicz” writes:
> You bloody idiot. The experiments were made, not only on Jews, but
> also non-Jewish Poles. If you don’t stop your ignorant postings
> I’ll try to find some Poles living in UK who would teach you
> respect.
> Your truly,
> Jerzy Pankiewicz

Like myself, Mr Roberts is a man who is less impressed by veiled – or in
your case not so veiled – threats of violence than with well documented
arguments. Your proof by assertion will, I am sure, be rejected even by
Jamie McCarthy, who is hardly a Roberts apologist.

Alexander Baron

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> >NO e-mail from Jews

Except your employer? The ADL perhaps?

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In article
[email protected] “Benjamin Johnson” writes:
>
> >> More disturbing than the assertion that “When a grown-up man has
> >had
> >>intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less
> >than
> >>this (three years old-footnote tells us), it is as if one puts the
> >finger
> >>into the eye, tears come to the eye again, so does virginity come back
> >to
> >>the little girl under three years.” (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >Sanhedrin

This is complete bollocks. The quotes are accurate but the meaning has been
completely distorted. This is a passage which deals with the qualification of
virginity, ie if a young girl is violated, is she still considered a virgin
below a certain age? Yes, that age is three. There are similar – and similarly
boring – passages dealing with the age of seminal emission and the penalty
for falling off a ladder, landing on someone’s head and killing him and
other equally unlikely scenarios. The Talmud takes up about 8 feet of library
shelf with this turgid guff.

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> >NO e-mail from Jews

Except your employer? The ADL perhaps?

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In article
[email protected] “McKinstry” writes:

> > All this nonsense was refuted before you were born, see for example the
> > Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, entry for CANARDS, the article in the
> > Contemporary Jewish Record 1939, Talmudic Forgeries, and many other
> > publications, including 2 by yours truly.

> > Alexander Baron
> >
> Question Alexander: When was the Socino (English translation) of the
> Talmud proved to be a forgery — especially since it was translated by
> Jews?

I’ve told you before, Mr McKinstry, we stock a number of publications which
deal with this and the Protocols. Send me a cheque and I will lighten your
darkness, but if you continue to make public pronouncements on this subject
without doing your homework you will look an even bigger arsehole than you
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In article
[email protected] “McKinstry” writes:

> > All this nonsense was refuted before you were born, see for example the
> > Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, entry for CANARDS, the article in the
> > Contemporary Jewish Record 1939, Talmudic Forgeries, and many other
> > publications, including 2 by yours truly.
> >
> > —
> > Alexander Baron
> >
> Question Alexander: When was the Socino (English translation) of the
> Talmud proved to be a forgery — especially since it was translated by
> Jews?

I’ve told you before, Mr McKinstry, we stock a number of publications which
deal with this and the Protocols. Send me a cheque and I will lighten your
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I’m still waiting for your reply Harry. Who is lying, Suzman and Diamond
or Yours Truly?

Come on, Harry, don’t be shy, the world is watching. And waiting. Did they
or did they not lie about gassings in Dachau like the mendacious Zionist
creeps they are?

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I can’t remember who posted the following:

>”Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi
>Concentration Camps”.

>Al “the Nazis never burned anyone alive” Baron may find
>some information there that may change his mind; like the
>photographs of concentration camp inmates burned alive at
>Gardelegen and Thekla.

>On page 77 is one of the most horrible photographs I’ve
>seen in my life: three charred corpses of emaciated
>prisoners, obviously burned while they were running away
>from the SS men.

Like I said, I can’t remember who posted it, but whoever it was has
twisted the facts again. If you recall, I said that no regular historians
claimed that Jews – or anyone – were thrown alive into the fire – the
origin of the term Holocaust. This was offered as a refutation.

In the first place, this is nothing to do with Auschwitz, it was a camp
in Germany. The charred corpses were said to be the result of an SS atrocity
at the end of the war, a claim I am prepared to accept. They were said to
have herded a group of prisoners into a building and set it afire. In other
words, this was a massacre on a par with Oradour and was nothing to do
with planned exterminations ordered – allegedly – by the High Command.

The book also contains some other revealing statements.

page 62 “With a shrinking food and water supply and a frightful
increase in disease, death became an everyday occurrence and so
did the battles among the prisoners themselves for the dwindling
sustenance provided. In the last days some even turned to canni-
balism. In the week the Americans came, one thousand died of
starvation.” This was Woebellin camp.

In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.

on page 94 is a photograph captioned: “Ex-prisoners at Dachau
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> Alexander Baron writes:
> Baron said it, and he lied. As usual.

Baron doesn’t need to lie; the truth is enough to make you hysterical.

> I’m still waiting for his quotes proving that Holocaust
> historians said that, for instance, some people were not
> burned alive in the Birkenau “cremation ditches”. So far
> he has provided none.

Give me a citation, a regular one.

> No one probably claims it was as common a method of murder
> as gassing or shooting – it wasn’t – but people were killed
> this way. I’ve provided the testimonies and Baron has
> nothing to refute them with.

Wrong! This was a regular claim; Dr Perl makes it in her fantasy-prone
book.

> [With regard to the inmates burned alive in German
> concentration camps]
>
> # it was a camp in Germany.
>
> You bloody idiot – so they only burned people alive in Germany,
> that’s what you’re saying?

I’m saying this was an ordinary war time atrocity, it was not part of
any alleged extermination programme.

> [Regarding Woebellin camp]
>
> # In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.
>
> So why did more than a 100,000 inmates in the “work camp”
> of the “Old Reich” (Germany proper) alone die between
> mid-1942 to mid-1943?

I don’t know, perhaps typhus, war time conditions and ordinary
war time brutalities had something to do with it. Are you claiming these
people were exterminated or worked to death?

> # on page 94 is a photograph captioned: “Ex-prisoners at Dachau
> # torturing a captured guard.”
>
> And this photograph is not a fake, right Baron, it’s only
> a fake when it portrays bad Nazis?

If I change my mind and claim this photo is a fake will you promise not
to call me anti-Semitic?

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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> He said that he wasn’t guilty of the gassings, as they took
> place in Auschwitz II (Birkenau) when he was in charge
> of Auschwitz I.

I see, there were gassings but I knew nothing about them. Sounds familiar.
I’ll have to recheck Staeglich when I get the chance but I’m fairly certain
he denied them per se.

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:

> So the answer to my question is “yes”; documents which contradict your faith
> are fakes and forgeries.

Faith is what enables us to believe that which we know to be untrue. Of course,
the threat of being branded anti-Semitic and losing our precious academic
careers might also help.

Staeglich points out that at Nuremberg a great deal of evidence was offered
and one dodgy document was produced. By the Russians. You know, those people
somebody in this group – Messrs Stein or McCarty? – claimed inflated the figure
to 4 million dead and are not to be trusted.

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay” writes:
> If memory serves, there _are_ references to Jews being deliberately
> infected with the disease, but the instance I’m referrring to did not
> take place in a camp, but rather in a police station. I _think_ that the
> material is in one of the memorial books here on the system, but I am
> not positive… when I have time to find it, I’ll post it here.

Okay Ken, if you’re so smart, what about the claim in FIGHTING AUSCHWITZ
that a member of the underground was breeding typhus lice and used it to
infect SS men? Wasn’t he a war criminal?

> >You have spread lies. Yesterday I answered a post of yours which claimed that
> >the gassings in the camps could not have taken place because the gas used is
> >lighter than air. That is a lie of omission – you know very well that the gas
> >was not just “dropped” into the room.

No, it wasn’t a lie, it started off as sarcasm, but the truth is that I’m
never sure what gas they’re talking about, crystaline Zyklon B, carbon monoxide
or steam as in the steam chambers of Treblinka.

> I suspect Mr. Baron does indeed know precisely how the gas was
> introduced into the chamber – the evidence is clear and overwhelming – but
> he assumes that some sort of psuedo-scientific veneer will awe his audience,
> 100% of whom are brain-dead by his reckoning.

I’m not sure anyone does. Some people say it was down a funnel in the roof –
Hart for example, others that the gassings took place in barracks, others in
cellars…

Alexander Baron

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I can’t remember who posted the following:

>”Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi
>Concentration Camps”.

>Al “the Nazis never burned anyone alive” Baron may find
>some information there that may change his mind; like the
>photographs of concentration camp inmates burned alive at
>Gardelegen and Thekla.

>On page 77 is one of the most horrible photographs I’ve
>seen in my life: three charred corpses of emaciated
>prisoners, obviously burned while they were running away
>from the SS men.

Like I said, I can’t remember who posted it, but whoever it was has
twisted the facts again. If you recall, I said that no regular historians
claimed that Jews – or anyone – were thrown alive into the fire – the
origin of the term Holocaust. This was offered as a refutation.

In the first place, this is nothing to do with Auschwitz, it was a camp
in Germany. The charred corpses were said to be the result of an SS atrocity
at the end of the war, a claim I am prepared to accept. They were said to
have herded a group of prisoners into a building and set it afire. In other
words, this was a massacre on a par with Oradour and was nothing to do
with planned exterminations ordered – allegedly – by the High Command.

The book also contains some other revealing statements.

page 62 “With a shrinking food and water supply and a frightful
increase in disease, death became an everyday occurrence and so
did the battles among the prisoners themselves for the dwindling
sustenance provided. In the last days some even turned to canni-
balism. In the week the Americans came, one thousand died of
starvation.” This was Woebellin camp.

In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.

on page 94 is a photograph captioned: “Ex-prisoners at Dachau
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Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> Alexander Baron writes:
> Baron said it, and he lied. As usual.

Baron doesn’t need to lie; the truth is enough to make you hysterical.

> I’m still waiting for his quotes proving that Holocaust
> historians said that, for instance, some people were not
> burned alive in the Birkenau “cremation ditches”. So far
> he has provided none.

Give me a citation, a regular one.

> No one probably claims it was as common a method of murder
> as gassing or shooting – it wasn’t – but people were killed
> this way. I’ve provided the testimonies and Baron has
> nothing to refute them with.

Wrong! This was a regular claim; Dr Perl makes it in her fantasy-prone
book.

> [With regard to the inmates burned alive in German
> concentration camps]
>
> # it was a camp in Germany.
>
> You bloody idiot – so they only burned people alive in Germany,
> that’s what you’re saying?

I’m saying this was an ordinary war time atrocity, it was not part of
any alleged extermination programme.

> [Regarding Woebellin camp]
>
> # In other words, food was not that scarce earlier.
>
> So why did more than a 100,000 inmates in the “work camp”
> of the “Old Reich” (Germany proper) alone die between
> mid-1942 to mid-1943?

I don’t know, perhaps typhus, war time conditions and ordinary
war time brutalities had something to do with it. Are you claiming these
people were exterminated or worked to death?

> # on page 94 is a photograph captioned: “Ex-prisoners at Dachau
> # torturing a captured guard.”
>
> And this photograph is not a fake, right Baron, it’s only
> a fake when it portrays bad Nazis?

If I change my mind and claim this photo is a fake will you promise not
to call me anti-Semitic?

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> He said that he wasn’t guilty of the gassings, as they took
> place in Auschwitz II (Birkenau) when he was in charge
> of Auschwitz I.

I see, there were gassings but I knew nothing about them. Sounds familiar.
I’ll have to recheck Staeglich when I get the chance but I’m fairly certain
he denied them per se.

Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:

> So the answer to my question is “yes”; documents which contradict your faith
> are fakes and forgeries.

Faith is what enables us to believe that which we know to be untrue. Of course,
the threat of being branded anti-Semitic and losing our precious academic
careers might also help.

Staeglich points out that at Nuremberg a great deal of evidence was offered
and one dodgy document was produced. By the Russians. You know, those people
somebody in this group – Messrs Stein or McCarty? – claimed inflated the figure
to 4 million dead and are not to be trusted.

Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: An unqualified apology to all Exterminationists from an ignoramus
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay” writes:
> If memory serves, there _are_ references to Jews being deliberately
> infected with the disease, but the instance I’m referrring to did not
> take place in a camp, but rather in a police station. I _think_ that the
> material is in one of the memorial books here on the system, but I am
> not positive… when I have time to find it, I’ll post it here.

Okay Ken, if you’re so smart, what about the claim in FIGHTING AUSCHWITZ
that a member of the underground was breeding typhus lice and used it to
infect SS men? Wasn’t he a war criminal?

> >You have spread lies. Yesterday I answered a post of yours which claimed that
> >the gassings in the camps could not have taken place because the gas used is
> >lighter than air. That is a lie of omission – you know very well that the gas
> >was not just “dropped” into the room.

No, it wasn’t a lie, it started off as sarcasm, but the truth is that I’m
never sure what gas they’re talking about, crystaline Zyklon B, carbon monoxide
or steam as in the steam chambers of Treblinka.

> I suspect Mr. Baron does indeed know precisely how the gas was
> introduced into the chamber – the evidence is clear and overwhelming – but
> he assumes that some sort of psuedo-scientific veneer will awe his audience,
> 100% of whom are brain-dead by his reckoning.

I’m not sure anyone does. Some people say it was down a funnel in the roof –
Hart for example, others that the gassings took place in barracks, others in
cellars…

Alexander Baron

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In article
>
> >I have decided to put up some documents on my web page to illustrate the
> >scope and reality of the Zionist conspiracy.

These people amaze me. A conspiracy is a secret. Imperial Zion shouts
“JUMP” Congress says “How high?” Where’s the conspiracy?

Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: THE STORY OF THE GASSINGS COMES FROM A SICK MIND
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> The proof is the calumny quoted in his testimony that “the superficial
> oath is not binding for Jews!” Jews are forbidden by the Scriptures
> from taking oaths of any kind! Jews are also forbidden to lie, whether
> under oath or not!

I think this is a genuine mistake; also Burg was not interned during the
war, like many Jews. He said it was harder for those who were left to
fend for themselves.

Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Six Million Did Die
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:

> > Alexander Baron writes:
> > I’m still waiting for your reply Harry. Who is lying, Suzman and Diamond
> > or Yours Truly?
>
> Mr. Baron’s familiarity is only one of his boorish traits. Another one is that
> he
> does not respond to questions posed. When he answers these questions and
> improves his behaviour, my analysis of his long-winded and tedious note
> will continue.

I did respond to your questions, look back in the file. You have insinuated
that I sent you fake documents; I told you that if you truly believe that
you can order them from the 4 libraries in the US where the 2nd edition of
this book can be found. Now answer me, please.

a) Did I send you fake documents?
b) if not, please explain the photo of the pile of “gassed” corpses shown
by Suzman and Diamond and adduced as “evidence”, nay “proof” that people were
gassed in Dachau.

If you have any other questions about the other fake photographs, please post
them. The fact that you haven’t and continue instead to poke holes in my
supposedly bad etiquette evinces to me the fact that you know I am telling the
truth but haven’t the bottle to admit it, not just to me, but to yourself.
Because if you do you’ll have to ask yourself another inconvenient question:
How many other of these wicked anti-Semites’ lies are not in fact lies, how
many other lies have I been told?

Put up or shut up, Harry. Did I lie, or did they?

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> There’s a letter from SS-doctor Rascher to Himmler, explicitly
> discussing gassing in Dachau. None of our “revisionist scholars”
> has commented on it, naturally.

I must confess Dr Keren I haven’t heard of this letter, which I find rather
strange. Please give me a citation.
>
> # like the mendacious Zionist creeps they are?
>
> When the fellow “revisionist” Jeff Roberts lies through his
> teeth here, Baron says he’s “an honest, sincere man who
> made a mistake”. Perhaps the two people Baron refers to
> also made a mistake (if they did?).

Jeff Roberts referred to J.G. Burg as a Holocaust survivor – which he
was, but believed, erroneously, that he had been interned in a concentration
camp. He has read Burg’s testimony and this was an obvious error. Suzman and
Diamond published a photograph of a pile of bodies captioned victims of
a gassing, in the full knowledge, surely, that there had been no such gassings.

I repeat my question, are they or are they not mendacious Zionist creeps?

Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: A Day in the Photo Lab with Al and Udo
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:

> The genuine ones prove nothing more than the phony ones do, Al. I don’t
> think anyone seriously uses photographs as proof of the extermination attempt
> one way or another. There are lots of other documents that supply all the
> proof that any reasonable person needs.

I almost agree with the first part of your sentence; a genuine photo, if
it can be confirmed, does prove something surely? I’m not going to fall into
the Exterminationist trap of rejecting everything that doesn’t fit my
paradigm, but you are definitely wrong with the rest. The public perception
is that the photos PROVE the Holocaust, that’s why we’ve been deluged with
photos of Belsen for the past fifty years. This is the PROOF for the gullible
goyim. If you don’t believe that, try arguing with the Socialist Workers
Party that this does not constitute proof. I wouldn’t like to scrape you up
off the sidewalk once they’d finished with you.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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Revisionist History isn’t only about World War II. On July 15, ITMA published
“A Revisionist History Of Prohibition” which sheds new light on the activities
of the Treasury and the Justice Department after the passage of the Volstead
Act and up until its repeal in 1933.

This large format document is packed with inconvenient facts and sheds new
light on the activities and motives of both Eliot Ness and his main protagonist
Al Capone.

Available only from us.

Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: Six Million Did Die
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
>
> Baron knows less about WW2 history than the average person on
> the street, and it’s “strange” he didn’t hear about this letter?

Thank you Dr Keren, I need to be reminded of my ignorance now and then,
and there was me believing, gullibly, that I was some sort of pioneer.

> Like it’s “strange” he failed to recognize an excerpt from the
> protocols of the Wannsee conference, and asked “where is this
> mysterious document, if it ever existed?”.

It’s not strange, I just didn’t recognise that particular passage;
I have read Staeglich’s excellent analysis and can find no fault with it.

> The document is mentioned in “Nazi Mass Murder”, Yale, Uni. Press,
> chapter 8.

I’ll look this up next month, maybe.

Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
>
> For you to indulge in ad hominem remarks suggest to me that you are running out
> of
> arguments.

Let me get this straight, for the past twenty and more years you guys have
been calling us Nazis, racists, anti-Semites, lunatics, crazies, liars, ad
nauseum. Now you’re saying that I have made an ad hominem remark?

Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: Let’s hear both sides of the Holocaust story
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
> [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals –
> Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
> —————————————————————
> Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers
> in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into
> a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth,
> and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in
> Europe!

This is typical of your wilful cognitive dissonance, Dr Keren. Why don’t you finish
the speech? I’ll tell you why, because Hitler vows to avenge Germany on the
International Jews AFTER THE WAR. And again, IF this extermination programme
was so secret, why did he announce its arrival to the world two years before
it is alleged to have begun?

For the record, this speech was actually made January 30, according to the
Exterminationist R. Landau at any rate. Landau quotes only the first part of
this speech also.

Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:

> Alexander Baron writes:

> Could you explain, how the Russians managed to ‘influence’ the results
> of the Auschwitz-trial in Frankfurt/Main in the early 60s. In this
> trial the mass-gassings at Auschwitz were investigated and confirmed
> in greater detail than in the Nuremberg trials, as some plain simple
> henchmen were tried there. This incredible judge, Mr.Staeglich, somehow
> missed that part of the knowable reality when producing his book, so
> Mr.Baron’s knowledge is naturally somewhat limited on that count as well.

This was a show trial, as he and Butz have pointed out, the whole of the
West German political machinery was established by the Allies and has been
subservient to them. One of the star witnesses at this trial was Rudolph
Vrba, which says it all. Add to this the fact as both Butz and Staeglich point
out that the trial was committed a priori to the gassings. Butz also points
out some very strange anomalies in the sentencing and gives the reasons for
both this and the acquiescence of the defence.

> Well, Mr.Baron, you might start herewith:
> Could you name the exact reference in the protocols of the Nuremberg
> trials where the Russians had introduced this ominous number of 4 million
> dead in Auschwitz? Could you simply try to answer such a simple question
> without speaking about the feeling you maintain for Staeglich’s book?

The first reference to this claim I have found was on the front page of
the Yorkshire Post, May 8, 1945. This was some sort of wire report, so
presumably this lie went all around the world and has been many times
since then.

Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “PDG” writes:

> [email protected] (JWCCTI1) wrote:
>
> >From my own observations, Jewish family life is far superior to Christian
> >family life.

So what you’re saying is that Jews are superior to white Gentiles? You
fucking Nazi.

Alexander Baron

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I know you’re there, Harry Mazal, because you’ve been posting under other
headers. All I want is for you to answer that question: did Suzman and Diamond
lie or did I? Yes or no?

Alexander Baron

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This is a reposting:
If you read various accounts of gassings by survivors it is clear that they
did not see what they claim to have seen. I have referred specifically to
Kitty Hart because I have read both her books. I will accept that anyone can
make mistakes, but I do not accept that Suzman and Diamond made mistakes;
their book is replete with lies and is transparently dishonest. On a slightly
more general subject Mr Stein (Mike? we are friends now, aren’t we?),
and this will be of interest to Dr Keren also, the following
publications PROVE that the Jews are out to conquer the world, or that they
have done:

Tayna Yvestia
The Conquest of the World by the Jews (1875!)
The Rabbi’s Speech
Speech by a Rabbi about the Goyim
The Cause of World Unrest
The Protocols of Zion
The Zunder Document
Four Protocols of Zion: Not The Protocols of Nilus
Plans of the Synagogue of Satan
The Rabbi’s Speech – by Rabbi Rabinovich (alias Eustace Mullins)
Zionism Rules the World – by Jewish author Henry Klein
White Power by Lincoln Rockwell
Fraudulent Conversion by Colin Jordan
Behind Communism by Frank L. Britton
The Plot Against Christianity
The International Jew – many editions

That’s sixteen publications which PROVE the Jewish conspiracy.
How much proof do you want? Isn’t the quantity enough? Can they all be
forged, can all the documentation in them all be wrong, misinterpreted or
faked? In short, Mr Stein, Dr Keren, do you believe that if an enormous
lie is told and repeated incessantly, that it must contain even a grain of
truth?

YES OR NO, GENTLEMEN?

Alexander Baron

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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:

> On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Andy Walton wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (R
> > THEORIST) wrote:
> >
> > swift wrote a pamphlet called “a modest
> > proposal” and it’s about eating little babies. this–eating little
> > babies–is exactly the kind of thing civilized english speaking white
> > people are against.

Swift was a prize piss taker; Gulliver’s Travels was also a satire, a bit
like Gullible’s Travels, or Shoah, as they call it in Israel.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article
[email protected] “McKinstry” writes:

Colin, my boy, are you really E-mailing from a University? I would suggest
that if you are going to persist with this nonsense about the Protocols and
paedophile Rabbis you steer clear of Jewish social studies for your dissertation.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:

> kevin filan wrote:
>
> [Responding to Baron’s whining about “revisionists” being called
> racists and Nazis]

So you’re saying that Harry Elmer Barnes, Professor Butz, yours truly,
Paul Rassinier and, heaven forbid, David Cole and the late J.G. Burg were
all Nazis and Jew haters?

Let me put it to you another way; it was the Christians who invented
anti-Semitism. There are anti-Semitic Christians around today. And Moslems.
Does that mean that they all are?

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected]n.penet.fi “[email protected]” writes:
> Haven’t you heard of the Bilderberg Group? Or the
> Trilateral Commission? Spotlight Magazine does a
> good job of uncovering this murky Zionist organization.

Thanks for the moral support, but the Bildergers and the Trilateralists
are hardly Zionists. Machiavellian schemers that they are.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says…

> The work orders for the construction of 52 crematory furnaces by the
> engineering firm of Topf and Son work are in the public record. Were these
> work orders tampered with, planted, or forged in order to incriminate Topf
> and Son? If so, who would be the likely candidate for having done so?

The alleged number varies from about 46 to 60 (Reitlinger) I think.

> The standard denier claim is that the crematory furnaces were constructed to
> deal with the large numbers of fatalities from disease and starvation among
> camp inmates brought on as a result of Allied bombing of rail lines late in
> the war. Nevertheless, it has been shown, most recently by Jan Van Pelt,
> that these furnaces and the facilities to house them were in their planning
> stages through much of 1942 and that construction was finished in the first
> months of 1943. Even if these furnaces proved capable of operating at
> only 10% of rated capacity that would still be over 470 bodies per day. Can
> you suggest any reason why 52 high-capacity crematory furnaces were planned
> during the period when Nazi Germany was enjoying its greatest successes in
> the war? Why was the SS expecting such large numbers of fatalities while
> they were not only still perfectly capable of housing, feeding, and caring
> for their prisoners, but were, as the deniers claim, supposedly housing,
> feeding, and caring for their prisoners?

You’re forgetting the typhus epidemic. Also the fact that the crematoria
couldn’t cope hence the burning in the pits. Major Douglas made an analysis
of the propaganda shortly after the war. I’ll dig it out for you if I get time.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> The same question comes back to you in spades. If there’s genuine
> evidence of this extraordinary frame-up, why do so many dodgy arguments
> (Treblinka grave capacity, “Vergasungskeller=carburetion cellar,”
> “ausrotten=uproot,” the Leuchter Report, the diesels-can’t-kill line from
> Fritz Berg) get recycled by revisionists – even after their errors and
> falsehoods have been pointed out?

Like you say, nonsense goes the rounds. I’m going to do a lot more research
on this and then publish. Then let them refute me if they can, or ignore
me as they always do.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “JWCCTI1” writes:

> Baron, you would not impress a single American by revising the very
> unsavory image of Al Capone. Granted that Prohibition was silly, Capone
> was nothing but an ignorant criminal whose politics ran along the line
> that Benito Mussolini was just what Italy needed.

The fact that you would write such dross about one of the greatest
American entrepreneurs of all time shows just how brainwashed you have
been. I might actually post the full pamphlet to alt.revisionism in a
couple of months just to make you eat your words.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> When all else fails… scream “show trial”. Never mind that this
> trial was conducted by the Germans themselves in 1963-5, not
> by the Allies at Nurnberg or elsewhere.

The whole political machinery of West Germany was established by the Allies;
don’t forget that it was under military occupation from 1945-9.

> # One of the star witnesses at this trial was Rudolph
> # Vrba, which says it all.
>
> “Says it all”? What does it say?

Vrba, principal author of the quietly forgotten War Refugee Board Report.

> EVERYBODY was lying, Baron? EVERYBODY?

No, you’re not lying, you simply refuse to face facts.

> You expect anyone but braindead nazi scumbags to buy this?

Are you saying that Professor Butz is a Nazi? Or David Cole?

> It is true that the punishment was not proportional to the
> number of people killed by this and that SS man. Those
> who killed out of sadism and not under orders were given
> harsher sentences, as they could not defend themselves
> with the “an order is an order” excuse.

No, no, no, refer to the bottle throwing incident by Robert Mulka,, Butz
page 188. That’s a perfect example.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “HMazal” writes:

> Mr. Baron copies my text from a previous note:
>
> >b) Mr. Baron has not explained the discrepancy between the page numbers
> > that appear on the photostatic copies of the photographs he sent me (82
> > and 104) and the page numbers that he mentions in his letter (122 and
> > 123).
>
> but does not respond to the specific discrepancy. When he explains it, we
> can continue.
>
Once again Harry, I sent you a lot of pages as you yourself admitted; I
think I probably sent you more than I itemised. Now I have told you that
these pages are all from the second edition of this book, and I have told
you that this book can be found in at least 4 US libraries including
Library of Congress.

Page 82 contains 3 “photos” of a group of women allegedly on their way to
be shot; these are all in the Pictorial History of the Holocaust. Page 104 is
a very famous photo of Dr Klein standing among the cadavers at Belsen. It
has obviously been staged.

Pages 122 and 123 are not numbered but that is not my fault, it’s the way
the pages are set. On page 123 is a photo of Belsen, which is available from
the Imperial War Museum, while on page 122 are two photos of Dachau, the
first is captioned “Victims of the Dachau gas chamber lie piled to the ceiling
in the crematorium.”

There is no discrepancy here Harry, what there is is an inability on the part
of a frightened old Jew to admit that he has been led up the garden path and
the suggestion, just the suggestion, that that wicked Nazi Baron might be right.

You attack me for my so-called over-familiarity. That sounds to me like you’re
disappointed that I don’t call you Jewish trash or some other unworthy epithet.
I have been very patient with you Harry because I realise that it’s not easy
to admit that your castles are built on sand and that one strong gust of wind
can blow aware your entire edifice of belief, but I have placed the facts before
you in a dispassionate, logical, irrefutable manner, now I ask you again,
Harry, who lied, Suzman and Diamond or me? Put up or shut up.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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This is part of my interview with Eustace Mullins, January 1993 (excluding
footnotes). It is from the pamphlet Global Deception 1993 Second edition and
is posted specifically for the benefit of a certain Dr Keren who thinks
a weak epithet refutes a strong argument.

Before the recess, I caught up with Mullins and told him that I
would like to interview him at length. I told him that I was
covering the conference for a Jewish magazine but that I myself
am not Jewish. I also told him that I was researching into con-
spiriology myself. He agreed willingly and we went in search of
somewhere to conduct the interview. We ended up in his dressing
room. Here then, with additional notes, is what he had to say:
Question: May I ask how old you are, sir?
Eustace Mullins: I’m seventy years old.
Question: You don’t look it.
EM: Thank you. People tell me that.
Question: You’re the protege of Ezra Pound?
EM: I am, the last living protege as a matter of fact, and of
course you know four of his proteges got the Nobel Prize, but I
haven’t yet. [Laughing.]
Question: I’ve only ever found one of your books in the British
Library, that’s your biography of Pound which I was looking
through the other day. (33)
EM: I don’t have distribution in England, but I should have. I’m
negotiating with a couple of publishers because I think there’s
quite a market here.
Question: Which publishers?
EM: Routledge Kegan and, I forget the other one; Routledge Kegan
are quite interested.
Question: Have you tried any of the $other$ distributors: Histor-
ical Review Press or Bloomfield Books? (34)
EM: No, I haven’t, I won’t be able to pursue those things but I
hope to come back in a few weeks and get something going. I think
my books are ready to be distributed here.
Question: I haven’t actually read any of your books, but I have
read a fair amount of conspiracy theory: Gary Allen and people
like that.
EM: These are spin offs from me. Gary Allen ordered all my books
before he wrote his books, and frankly attributed his work to me
[in early printings] but later he dropped it out.
Question: Was that $None Dare Call It Conspiracy?$
EM: Yes, in early editions he quoted extensively from my work,
but later that was eliminated. I pretty much pioneered in the
development of this World Order conspiracy after World War Two
through Pound’s work. Pound had already worked on it thirty years
or so himself.
Question: I haven’t read much Pound but I have read a fair amount
of Douglas and I am very sympathetic to his ideas. Have you come
across Kitson at all? (35)
EM: Oh yes, Pound put me onto Kitson, Douglas, all those people.
Question: What about Mrs Emery in the United States?
EM: Mrs Emery, that name does ring a bell.
Question: The People’s Party back in the 1890s.
EM: I don’t go back that far with the populists. Most of the
people I work with in the States today call themselves populists.
Clinton is calling himself a populist. [Laughing.]
Question: I found a small book of hers called $Seven Financial
Conspiracies Which Have Enslaved The American People$; it was
published in 1892. (36)
EM: I think I encountered that book at the Library of Congress
quite a few years ago. It’s quite an interesting book. I did most
of my research at the Library of Congress. There I came into
contact with a lot of sources that I would not have found else-
where.
Question: It’s nearly as big as the British Library, the Library
of Congress, isn’t it?
EM: Yes.
Question: What university did you graduate from?
EM: Washington Lee, which is called the Princeton of the South.
It was founded by Washington and Lee, both of whom would have
been hung for treason.
Question: You’ve published about thirty-five books?
EM: Yes, covering a multitude of subjects, pamphlets and so
forth. There are actually fifteen books available now in bound
form of which $The Federal Reserve$ was one of the first, then
$The World Order, Curse of Canaan, Writ for Martyrs$ and $Murder
By Injection$, each of these exposes a different conspiracy. I’ll
be talking tomorrow about the medical conspiracy.
Question: I don’t know if I’ll be here tomorrow. Who publishes
your books?
EM: I self-publish, self-distribute because there’s no publishing
house in the United States which would publish these books.
Question: Not even the Noontide Press?
EM: I work with Noontide; Noontide is distributing my books but I
still prefer to keep on publishing myself.
Question: Who finances them?
EM: I finance all my books out of my cash flow; they sell very
well.
Question: Are you a man of independent means?
EM: No, actually I live on my books and on my income from speak-
ing and so forth. (37)
Question: Do you have any connection with Willis Carto and compa-
ny? (38)
EM: Yes, they’re one of the main distributors of my books. I’ve
know Willis since 1952. They do promote my books and have publi-
cised me quite a bit over the last several years.
Question: You have been called an anti-Semite.
EM: Oh yes, regularly, Ezra Pound was also called an anti-Semite.
And in fact Ezra, in his radio broadcasts, did become quite anti-
Jewish in the late forties, because he felt that the Jews had
played that role and had instigated the War. He probably over-
emphasised that, but at the same time he never had any prejudice
against working with Jewish poets like [name unintelligible] and
Stephen Spender and so forth. (39) Many Jews came to visit Pound
during [unintelligible but probably a reference to Pound’s incar-
ceration after the War].
Question: Personally I don’t believe Pound was an anti-Semite.
EM: No, he wasn’t an anti-Semite, and neither am I myself.
Question: I would have to take issue with that. [If you’re no
longer an anti-Semite] you have been. Tell me about $The Rabbi’s
Speech$.
[See Appendix C for the full text of $The Rabbi’s Speech$ and $A
Racial Program For The Twentieth Century$.]
EM: $The Rabbi’s Speech$ was brought to me, and I felt it was an
important document which should be released, and it was released,
and actually was translated in Europe by Einar Aberg of Sweden,
and he flooded the continent with it, many thousands of copies.
Actually, now that you mention it, I haven’t heard of that in
many years. It came out in ’52.
Question: It’s been republished fairly recently.
EM: Has it really? I haven’t seen that.
Question: It was published by Lady Birdwood. Have you heard of
Lady Birdwood? (40)
EM: Oh yes, I’ve heard of her. Has she republished it?
Question: Yes. [And she believes every single word of it!]
EM: I’ll be damned.
Question: $A Racial Program For The Twentieth Century$.
EM: Yes, oh the Israel Cohen [book – which never existed!]. Well,
that again was something that was done a long time ago, and it
keeps popping up. And I have no connection with anybody who’s
reprinting or distributing any of these things at the present
time.
Question: Where did you obtain that from?
EM: I got that at the Library of Congress, I think it’s in the
Congressional Record, I’m not sure. It goes back a long way.
[Laughing.]
Question: Let me put this to you as diplomatically as I can. $The
Rabbi’s Speech$ and Israel Cohen’s $A Racial Program For The
Twentieth Century$ are notorious anti-Semitic fabrications, the
products of a sick, diseased mind. Yours.
EM: Really. [Laughing.] That’s a rather harsh decision. I
couldn’t agree with that.
Question: Okay, let’s try some other stuff: $Jews Mass Poison
American Children$.
EM: Gosh, I don’t even remember that one. You’re going back about
forty years. At my age I don’t remember things as well as I did.
Question: This was published in June 1955. I’m taking this from
page 215 of $ANTISEMITIC PROPAGANDA: An Annotated Bibliography
and Research Guide$,$ $by Robert Singerman, published by Garland,
(1982).
[See Appendix B for Mullins’ entries in this bibliography.]
EM: I’ve never seen that.
Question: You’ve got a few entries in it.
EM: Have I? A lot of things pop up…I will say that a lot of
things have been circulated with my name on them. [Mullins
laughed here and tried to make a joke out of it.]
Question: Do you deny that you wrote an article on the Salk
vaccine?
EM: I wrote an article on what?
Question: On the Salk polio vaccine?
EM: I may have. That again is going far back. As you see, my
books over the last twenty-five years don’t deal with anything
[like that] because I went into deeper research on other subjects
and I was no longer interested in those things.
Question: $The Biological Jew$, which was published circa 1968,
is another of your works, I believe. I haven’t seen it but it’s
been described as a nasty little book. Perhaps you’d like to tell
me why it isn’t nasty.
EM: Interestingly enough, that whole theory came to me from Joe
McWilliams, who was also called an anti-Semite. He was a leader
of a Christian front back in the forties in New York City. (41)
He was an Irish Catholic and he had practically all of the Irish
policemen in New York City as members of his group. And he deve-
loped this theory that Jewish people over the years had developed
a parasitic method of life, [battening] on their host and so on.
So I developed that, I did some work on parasitism at the Library
of Congress, and it was a viable theory, and I published this
book in 1968. It’s never been republished, but it’s still floa-
ting around.
Question: You think Jews are parasites?
EM: This was a study of Jews in European history as a parasitic
organism, and Pound himself believed that, he thought that the
ghettos were a sort of parasitic enclave in the cities of Europe,
so it was certainly a theory worth pursuing, and I pursued it,
though I’ve never done any more on it [sic] since 1968. (42)
Question: I don’t know about parasitic, though they’re certainly
paranoid, but with certain people [like you] around, they’ve
every right to be.
Your book, $Mullins’ New History of the Jews$ was described by no
less a person than A.K. Chesterton as rabidly anti-Semitic in
$Candour$ magazine in an article entitled $THIS MAN IS
DANGEROUS$. (43)
EM: Oh yes, I saw that, and interestingly enough, not long after
that, A.K. Chesterton wrote to me appealing for me to help me
collect royalties from a publisher – we had the same publisher
[Serpico?] of California – so after attacking me like this, a few
weeks later Chesterton writes to me asking me to do anything I
could [sic] to help him collect royalties from Serpico, which no
one could collect royalties from Serpico [sic], there was nothing
I could do. But I thought it was $chutzpah$ on his part, first he
denounces me, then he asks for my help.
[The fact that Chesterton asked him for help (if he did) hardly
mitigates the tone of the article, which was spot on. Incidental-
ly, I personally believed the Israel Cohen quote was genuine for
many years because it seemed just the sort of stupid, asinine
thing a Jewish communist would say. Readers of $Socialist Worker$
will understand why.]
Question: Money talks the same language. Now, you said you were
hounded by the FBI and that you were kicked out of the Library of
Congress because of your researches.
EM: I was under daily surveillance for thirty-three years, my
file shows that. And I was fired by direct FBI intervention, but
they were sent over by Senator Herbert Lehman who was at that
time National Chairman of the Anti-Defamation League.
I’m still battling the ADL by the way, I have a thirty million
dollar lawsuit going against a newspaper in the States now on
that same thing.
Question: Leaving aside the fact that the ADL is a somewhat
feisty organisation, it was reported in a book, $They Never Said
It$, by a person whose name escapes me, that you were sacked by
the Library of Congress for distributing anti-Semitica. (44)
EM: No, that’s totally false, the record shows that’s totally
false because I actually sued the Library of Congress for rein-
statement, and in their denial of reinstatement, they did not
mention that, which they certainly would have, if that had been
the case. I’ve never seen that claim anywhere in print. It’s
totally false. I have all the documents relating to my dismissal,
which was as a probationary employee. And that was never men-
tioned as a cause; what they said was that I had been writing for
the $Social Crediter$, but they did not say that it was anti-
Semitic. The $Social Crediter$ had articles which were critical
of the Jews, but mainly it was not what you’d call an anti-Semi-
tic newspaper.
Question: I don’t believe Douglas was an anti-Semite.
EM: No, he was not, and the $Social Crediter$ was not an anti-
Semitic paper. I think it’s out of print now, but I’m not sure.
Question: In 1968 you published $My Life in Christ$, which is
described by Singerman as “90 pages, explains how Marxist Jews
and the Mafia control the FBI and the CIA”.
EM: Yes, in fact that theme is further developed in my book $A
Writ For Martyrs$ which is much longer, which contains 120 pages
[reproduced from] my FBI file.
Question:$ Impeach Eisenhower?$
EM: That was a pamphlet; I was a pamphleteer in those days, and
this lady had published this little paper in Chicago, and I wrote
some rather inflammatory things for her at that time.
Question: Like: Eisenhower is a willing tool of his Jewish advi-
sers, all of whom are international communist agents?
EM: Well, that was the [headline] on this thing which was put on
by this lady – the editor – she was very, openly anti-Semitic.
She actually put some of these headlines on my articles, which
were inflammatory. At that time I was working with her, and she
was pretty much running it the way she wanted to.
Question: Who was she?
EM: Mrs Lyrl Clark Van Hyning, and the paper was called $Women’s
Voice: We The Mothers United For America$. These were the mo-
thers’ groups who went to Washington and picketed Roosevelt
because he was trying to get us into the Second World War. In
other words, these mothers did not want their sons killed in
foreign wars. So they were approaching it from a very personal
standpoint.
[This lady’s name was mistakenly given as Lyrl $Park$ Van Hyning
in the first edition. Her outfit appears to have been called “We
the Mothers Mobilize for America”, though this mistake was prob-
ably mine].
Question: You also wrote for $Christian Vanguard$?
EM: Oh yes, I was [unclear] for $Christian Vanguard$ for years;
that paper’s defunct now.
Question: It is [or was] a grotesquely anti-Semitic paper; I’ve
seen it. (45)
EM: $Christian Vanguard$ was actually a Christian identity news-
paper which published most of the articles on Christian identity.
It reprinted Dr Wesley Swift, Dr [unclear], but they did have, I
guess you would say, anti-Jewish articles from time to time. That
paper is defunct now.
[$Christian Vanguard$ may have been its name, but there was
nothing Christian about it, although it was definitely in the
vanguard of extreme anti-Semitism. Issue 50 was a Julius Strei-
cher “Memorial Edition”, February 1976, a 16 page translation of
the repulsive May 1934 issue of Streicher’s hate sheet $Der
St<129>rmer$. (46)]
Question: I read an article in it by Ben Klassen which made out a
very strong case against the Federal Reserve, but it was all
Jews, Jews, Jews. [This article was actually published by Klassen
himself and is listed by Singerman, page 324 (op cit) as $The
Brutal Truth about Inflation and Financial Enslavement. The
Federal Reserve Board, the most Gigantic Counterfeiting Ring in
the World$, published by the Church of the Creator, Lighthouse
Point, Fla, (1979), 16 pages.]
EM: Ben Klassen was very violently anti-Semitic, I’ve never
worked with him. Later, he started his own newspaper called
$Racial Identity$.
Question: $Racial Loyalty$.
EM: $Racial Loyalty$ – I’ve never [had anything to do with that].
Question: Harold Covington described it as $Racial Toiletry$.
(47)
EM: Harold Covington’s an FBI agent, [that’s been] known for many
years.
Question: He’s living in East London at the moment. (48)
EM: Is he really? He circulated some very violent smears against
me. [Laughing.]
Question: With respect, Mr Mullins, with respect to your earlier
career, he wouldn’t have had to try very hard. Do you deny that
you wrote $Jews Mass Poison American Children$?
EM: I don’t recall that article at all.
Question: On the Salk vaccine.
EM: I think there again that was a headline which Mrs Van Hyning
put on it, and that that was not what the body of the article was
about. When you go back forty or so years it’s difficult to
remember. And these were very small circulation magazines which
had about fifteen hundred circulation throughout the United
States.
[The fact that the circulation of such publications is very small
gives the lie to the wilder claims of Organised Jewry that there
are Nazis lurking behind every bush. But it in no way mitigates
the content of the articles.]
Question: You don’t consider yourself an anti-Semite?
EM: Not at all, in my latest book, $Murder By Injection$, I
attribute practically all the directions of my research – not
that I used any of their material – to Maurice Beal [sic?], Dr
Robert Mendelsohn and Dr Emmanuel Josephson [sic?], and I knew
the last two very well. These were three Jewish…
Question: Robert Mendelsohn published a book called $Dissent In
Medicine$. (49)
EM: Yes, he died very suddenly of a heart attack. [He was] a lot
younger than I am; a lot of people think he was done in. He was
appearing on a lot of national TV shows. He was a licensed MD,
[and] a member of the AMA, and he had begun to expose some of the
abuses of the medical profession, and he really was an icono-
clast, and my impression was that Robert Mendelsohn was a very
brilliant, able fellow, and he began to do this out of a sort of
snobbery…because he was contemptuous of the other doctors, Jews
and non-Jews, that he had to work with. That’s why he began to
criticise them. (50)
Question: Do you believe Jews are parasites?
EM: Parasites? Uh, no, as I say, this was a theme that I deve-
loped in 1968 in that one book. I’ve never referred to it again
and in fact there is nothing about Jews in my last five books in
the past twenty years simply because I moved into larger spheres,
the world order…
Question: And you realised that the Jewish question is a red
herring?
EM: It’s a red herring. The only mention of Jews as I say is that
I mention that the direction of my research was guided by these
three Jews, and they’re the only people that I mention in the
book. They were largely responsible for my writing that book.
Question: Do you believe that communism is Jewish?
EM: No, I covered that in my talk today. Communism had a sort of
native Russian wing under Stalin and a more international Jewish
wing under Trotsky, and the international Jewish wing under
Trotsky pretty well took over the Republican party of the United
States in 1980 under the guise of neo-conservatism.
Question: You don’t believe that communism is a poison spread by
Jews?
EM: No indeed. Even though Karl Marx was Jewish, Trotsky was
Jewish and so forth. They say Lenin was a Jew… [Marx may have
been descended from the rabbinate, but his credentials as an
anti-Semitic propagandist are a matter of record though largely
(and pragmatically) forgotten today.]
Question: No. (51)
EM: But I don’t consider that a particularly Jewish operation.
Question: You do realise that the two outstanding intellectual
opponents of communism this century were both Jews: Ayn Rand and
Ludwig von Mises? (52)
EM: Oh, well, I would say that Ayn Rand was not so much anti-
communist as a native American conservative who believed in the
free market system. [Ayn Rand was actually born in Russia.]
Question: Do you believe in the Jewish world conspiracy or the
world Zionist conspiracy?
EM: Well, there definitely is a worldwide Zionist movement which
is conspiratorial and which manifests itself in many ways through
the depredations of Mossad and the Anti-Defamation League, [the
latter of] which I come into personal contact with quite frequ-
ently. Most of the attacks on me here in England have come
through the Anti-Defamation League; that is an international
organisation, so that certainly would be an international Zionist
conspiracy because I have never been in England, my books have
never been circulated over here, and suddenly when I come here,
there are these virulent articles that I am a sinister lunatic
and so forth, which of course is pre-judgment… (53)
Question: Okay, I won’t push you on the authorship of Israel
Cohen’s $Program$ and $The Rabbi’s Speech$, but do you believe
they are genuine?
EM: They were certainly brought to me under good auspices.
Question: By whom?
EM: By someone who came to me through the embassy…
[He pretended that he couldn’t remember.]
Question: You do accept that there is a tremendous amount of
anti-Jewish fabrication circulated by anti-Semitic groups?
EM: Strangely enough I find that there’s practically no anti-
Semitic provocation in the United States at the present time.
Almost all the old anti-Semitic newspapers have disappeared:
$Women’s Voice, Common Sense$ and so forth. I don’t consider
Willis Carto’s $Spotlight$ an anti-Semitic publication.
[Possibly he misheard fabrication for provocation.]
Question: No, but the $Protocols of Zion$ is still in circula-
tion; surely you don’t believe that to be true?
EM: The $Protocols of Zion$ were proven before a court in Berne,
Switzerland, to be a forgery. And a forgery is an unauthorised
copy of something which does exist. If you sign my name, that
does not mean that my name doesn’t exist, it means that you’ve
forged my [signature]. So from that standpoint, that they’ve been
officially, legally found as a forgery, I would have to say that
there is some basis for them somewhere.
[This is the sort of specious argument which the more “sophisti-
cated” anti-Semitic propagandists use. It is nothing more than a
semantic fallacy because the word “forgery” when used in this
sense clearly refers to a fabrication.]
Question: Have you read Herman Bernstein’s refutation? (54)
EM: No, I haven’t.
Question: Bernstein traces the $Protocols$ to Maurice Joly’s
$Dialogues In Hell$, and proves conclusively that they are a
plagiarism of this work.
EM: Joly, yes, I’ve heard of that, but I haven’t gone into it
that deeply.
Question: Do you accept that the $Protocols$ were used to incite
hatred against the Jewish people?
EM: By the secret police?
Question: By organised Jew-haters. By the fellow travellers of
Henry Ford, and by anti-Semitic propagandists to this day.
EM: Henry Ford believed them to be true, and Henry Ford was not a
dummy by any means.
Question: I don’t doubt that, but we can all be wrong. We’ve just
seen a university graduate in there telling us that the Nazis
flew to Mars at the end of the War and that they had a secret
military base on Antarctica. So you don’t have to be a fool to
believe rubbish.
EM: No, that’s true. I think too people always look for melodra-
ma, and perhaps the $Protocols$ were a bit of melodrama which
excited Henry Ford’s interest. Hitler had Ford’s photograph on
his desk.
Question: By organised Jew-haters. By the fellow travellers of
Henry Ford, and by anti-Semitic propagandists to this day.
EM: Henry Ford believed them to be true, and Henry Ford was not a
dummy by any means.
Question: I don’t doubt that, but we can all be wrong. We’ve just
seen a university graduate in there telling us that the Nazis
flew to Mars at the end of the War and that they had a secret
military base on Antarctica. So you don’t have to be a fool to
believe rubbish.
EM: No, that’s true. I think too people always look for melodra-
ma, and perhaps the $Protocols$ were a bit of melodrama which
excited Henry Ford’s interest. Hitler had Ford’s photograph on
his desk.
Question: Yes, he did. Now can we talk a bit about the real
conspiracy?
EM: Sure.
Question: The Federal Reserve conspiracy is a reality. The Fed is
a private banking institution, it’s run for profit for a small
clique of international financiers, there’s no doubt about that.
How can we get rid of the Fed?
EM: In my book $The World Order$, in the last chapter, I point
out very decisively that all of these operations: pitting
Christians against Jews, and various nationalities against each
other, are manipulated by the World Order in order to maintain
their control.
Question: I’ll tell you something: there are two factions of the
so-called anti-fascist movement in this country. The pro-Zionist
faction is led by a man named Gable, who claims to be Jewish. He
is of Jewish origin, and he is a proven agent of MI5. It did
occur to me sometime ago that anti-Semites aren’t the only people
who noticed that there are a lot of Jews involved in the commun-
ist movement, and people like Gable are deliberately selected, as
a red herring. (55)
EM: There again that’s now ancient history, the number of Jews
who were involved in communism. Of the first commissars in Soviet
Russia, I think three hundred and twenty were Jews or something
like that. As I say, that has now become irrelevant, but I do
think that people were acting on a valid premise. Congressman
John Rankin of Mississippi stood up on the floor of Congress in
1940 and said that 96% of American communists are Jews. And no
one challenged him, and no one’s ever challenged him to this day.
That’s a pretty high figure but there again J. Edgar Hoover
probably gave him that figure. J. Edgar Hoover was always in the
background feeding information but never taking a stand himself.
[This is the same J. Edgar Hoover whom Mullins would have us
believe allowed Marxist Jews to run the FBI!]
Question: When you talk about Jews here though you’re talking
about racial Jews as opposed to religious Jews. Have you ever
seen a communist wearing a skull cap?
EM: No, I haven’t, but [regarding] the racial/religious division,
you will find that quite often Jewish people will overlook that
and ally themselves very quickly against any threat to Jewish
people. They do generally overlook their differences to defend
themselves against a common enemy. Anyone who they think is anti-
Jewish.
Question: Anyone they don’t like, in other words?
EM: Anyone they don’t like, or consider as a threat.
Question: Another “anti-Semitic myth” is that of Jewish media
control, yet at one time, every studio in Hollywood was owned by
Jews. That’s a fact, isn’t it?
[It is indeed a well-documented, indisputable fact, one which is
always met with specious charges of “anti-Semitism”. See for
example, $The Jewish Image in American Film$ (Appendix A) or the
embarrassingly titled: $An Empire of their Own$. (56)]
EM: Very much so. Not only were they owned by Jews, but they were
financed by Jewish bankers in New York, principally Kuhn Loeb and
Lehman Brothers [who] up till 1940 pretty much controlled the
purse strings of every movie produced in Hollywood. That’s a
matter of record. So, the Jewish producers in Hollywood were
answerable to the Jewish bankers in New York.
Question: There is though a fallacy here. [And one that is by no
means obvious.] This is that because a lot of Jews work in the
media, that they all control it, and that because a lot of Jews
are rich, they all are. (10)
EM: Most of the Jews that I’ve met are not rich. The rich Jews
don’t associate with me, but most of the Jewish people that I
have met throughout my career have been of very modest means.
Question: Antony Sutton, you’re familiar with his work?
EM: Very much so, yes.
Question: He cited your work in $Wall Street and the Rise of
Hitler$, and appears to have come to the reluctant conclusion
that there is a [world] conspiracy.
[No, he didn’t cite Mullins’ work in this book; this was my
mistake! What he does do in Chapter Twelve, $Conclusions$, is to
pose the question: Is the United States Ruled by a Dictatorial
Elite? He then compares the consistency of the theses of five
Revisionist authors including Gary Allen, ($None Dare Call It
Conspiracy$) and Carroll Quigley, ($Tragedy and Hope$). He does
though list Mullins’ $The Federal Reserve Conspiracy$ in the
bibliography to his own 1977 monograph, $The War on Gold$. (57)]
EM: A Jewish conspiracy?
Question: A conspiracy.
EM: I know Tony quite well, and Tony himself never touched the
Jewish question with the tip of a pole, and in fact in none of
his books or his lectures will he discuss this situation.
Question: In $Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution$ he makes
it clear that it was Gentile interests that financed Trotsky and
co. (58)
EM: Yes, very much so.
Question: And that the whole Jewish conspiracy thing was put up
as a red herring.
EM: Yes, you see, the first recognition of the Bolshevik regime
by the rest of the world: England and America in particular, it
was all Jewish, so it was quite easy to draw the inference that
the communists were Jewish because they did not know who the
backers were.
Question: In other words it was raceless capital?
EM: I make all this clear in $The World Order$, that they’re
constantly manipulating all the forces in the world against each
other in any way that they can. If they can get Jews fighting
each other or Jews fighting Christians, that’s fine, that’s what
they want.
Question: Conflict management?
EM: Yes.
Question: In $The Most Secret Science$, Archibald Roberts lists
eight banks which own the Fed, seven of which have Jewish names.
(59) What are they doing to get rid of the Fed?
EM: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. There’s no movement at all.
Roberts got some of the legislatures to [table] resolutions,
that’s over a twenty year period, and he’s pretty much inactive
at the present time. As far as I know, nothing is being done. As
far as I know, Carto is sponsoring bills in Congress to audit the
Fed, which I don’t see will have any effect one way or the other.
It might even give them legitimacy, putting them under official
government audit, which will make the people believe that they
are indeed official government institutions.
Question: How much is the US National Debt?
EM: Four trillion dollars.
Question: So who owns that debt?
EM: Japan owns one third of it.
Question: When you say Japan, what do you mean?
EM: The Japanese bankers.
Question: What would happen if this debt were to be annulled
overnight?
EM: I don’t think this would have any effect at all. The repudia-
tion of debt simply means that it continues to be rolled over or
amortised by other means. There is never a total repudiation.
Question: Why not? Surely that would be possible.
EM: Total repudiation would mean that all of the paper would
become worthless immediately, and this is never the case. It
continues to be traded, it’s scaled down, that’s what happens.
Question: The point is that we’ve been fed this idea by the
enemies of freedom that money has to come into circulation as
debt.
EM: Yes, that’s the old Babylonian system, five thousand years
old.
Question: If the debt were to be completed repudiated, you’d have
debt-free dollars.
EM: Definitely.
Question: Under the current system, if the government wants say a
billion dollars, it goes to the bankers who float a bond and the
money is created as a debt to the bankers.
EM: Yes, that’s right.
Question: But all the government has to do is issue its own notes
[or credit].
EM: Oh definitely, the Constitution Article 1, Section 8, pro-
vides for that – Congress shall have the right to issue money.
The Founding Fathers thought they were giving us debt-free money,
but the banks were issuing national bank notes, which were inter-
est-bearing notes. Then Lincoln issued the greenbacks, which were
non-interest bearing notes. He was assassinated. John F. Kennedy
issued non-interest bearing notes, and he was assassinated.
Question: Kennedy actually did issue non-interest bearing bank
notes?
EM: Yes, I’ve seen them, they’re all around. Kennedy issued US
Treasury notes.
Question: You believe this was the reason he was assassinated?
EM: The movie $JFK$ and L. Fletcher Prouty, whose book the movie
is based on, Fletcher is very intimately connected with the
military-industrial complex, and he felt that the trigger was
Kennedy’s resolve to pull out of Vietnam because there was no
point in it, [the Vietnam War]. Outside of the military-indus-
trial complex wanting it, nobody else wanted it. So they simply
killed him. It’s more likely that he was killed over Vietnam than
over the Federal Reserve, but it certainly could have been both.
Question: Who do you think killed him?
EM: Definitely the CIA and the Mafia working together.
Question: The CIA and the Mafia working together?
EM: Mark Lane has been on national television many times in the
States and has said baldly that the CIA killed Kennedy, and no
one’s ever really refuted that. (60)
Question: Do you believe in the “Holocaust”?
EM: I think the “Holocaust” probably was exaggerated, the number
of casualties. In fact now they’ve scaled down the number of
[Jews allegedly killed in Auschwitz] from four million to one
[million].
Question: One and a half million?
EM: One and a half.
Question: Do you believe in the gas chambers?
EM: All the evidence that I’ve seen and the new evidence that’s
coming out now [indicates] that the gas chambers were built after
the War. The Simon Wiesenthal Centre of course continues to
promote the old hard line….My brother actually went to Dachau
concentration camp…two years ago; he brought back a photograph
on the wall, a big photograph saying THESE GAS CHAMBERS WERE
NEVER USED AS GAS CHAMBERS.
That’s what the tourists see when they go to Dachau, that there
were no gas chambers used to exterminate people, and so when you
have all these things, then I certainly think you have to take a
hard look at all these claims which are quite fantastic and say
let’s look into it further.
[Simon Wiesenthal is, of course, the famous “Nazi hunter”. For a
slightly more objective view of Wiesenthal, the reader is re-
ferred to pages 120-2 of $The Journal of Historical Review$,
Volume Five, Number, One, 1984. (61)]
Question: While we’re still on the subject of the Jews, did you
write a pamphlet called $Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick!$?
EM: I may have, I don’t know, as I said, I was doing a lot of
pamphleteering. I used to turn out those things in a few minutes,
and it’s quite possible I did, but then again you’ll find that
this was thirty or forty years old.
[Mullins adopted this apologetic attitude every time he was
questioned about his anti-Semitica. Does this signify remorse,
perhaps?]
Question: There was no orchestrated campaign to keep you out of
the country. Mike Whine of the Board of Deputies of British Jews
was quoted in $Time Out$ magazine; he said your ideas are so mad
they’re laughable. Normally they try to keep people [like you]
out. They kept Z<129>ndel out, for example.
EM: Z<129>ndel they considered a more direct threat because he’s
a German, so he’s going back and forth between Germany and Cana-
da, but by my position in the States, having no affiliation with
any political party or any large movement, I don’t think they’re
[too concerned].
Question: How can we get rid of the Fed and the Bank of England?
EM: The Bank of England is supposed to be nationalised, so it
belongs to the people. You can’t do anything about the Bank of
England.
Question: We’ve got a National Debt as well.
EM: Of course, whenever you have a Central Bank you’ll have a
National Debt; that’s what a Central Bank’s created for. When the
Bank of England started operation in 1694, you started to have a
National Debt soon after that, and then there was war finance,
they financed wars and built up a healthy debt to the Bank, and
you’ve been [struggling] under that load ever since.
Question: The point though is that the debt is owned by the
bankers, isn’t it?
EM: Oh definitely, always, because people have no ownership of
the debt. In the States, a widow can buy a T bill for ten thou-
sand dollars, and you can say that she’s a part owner of the
debt, but actually what she has is a banking instrument, a nego-
tiable instrument of the bankers themselves. It’s worth ten
thousand dollars only in law as the bankers agree that it can be
paid.
Question: Could we form pressure groups to get rid of the Fed?
EM: That’s a start, you want pressure groups.
Question: We could get rid of the debt if we tried. Politicians
don’t seem to understand it, they don’t even seem to realise it
exists. You might just as well be talking about flying saucers on
Mars.
EM: The politicians are practical…All their funding comes from
bankers. You have wealthy people who give ten thousand or a
hundred thousand dollars to politicians, but by and large their
funds come through the banks one way or another. As long as that
situation exists, the politicians are not going to take up [this
issue] in any serious way.
Question: You didn’t mention the role of the Bilderberg Group or
the Trilateral Commission in your speech.
EM: The Trilaterals are simply another instrument of the World
Order of the bankers. You have the Council on Foreign Relations,
the Royal Institute of International Affairs…these think tanks.
These think tanks exist solely to present palatable programmes to
the people of what the bankers want to accomplish. Naturally they
can’t say “We want to do this for ourselves”, so they present
them as programmes to improve the infrastructure, to improve
education and to borrow more billions of dollars from the bankers
to achieve these goals, and most people fall for it.
Question: One last word on anti-Semitism. If we get rid of the
anti-Semitic element, can we reform the financial system for
everybody’s benefit?
EM: In the States there’s actually very little anti-Semitism
anywhere because it’s been made totally unfashionable by the
bankers themselves. Anyone who criticises Jews [they say] wants
another “Holocaust”.
Question: The point is that anyone who criticises the bankers is
implied to be criticising Jews.
EM: Not in the States.
Eustace Mullins, thank you very much.

This was the end of our interview. Later, I introduced Mr Mullins
to Lady Birdwood. Lady Birdwood, this is Mr Eustace Mullins, the
author of $The Rabbi’s Speech$: I said. No, he discovered it, she
said. It’s a complete fraud, isn’t it, Mr Mullins? There never
was a Rabbi Rabinovich. At this point, a certain geriatric inter-
jected that he’d always maintained that $The Rabbi’s Speech$ was
a fraud.
This was the person who had nearly been ejected from the meet-
ing for standing up during Vladimir Terziski’s presentation and
lambasting him for calling the Nazis Satanic. You’re a dirty
liar! Why don’t name the real culprits? The international Jews!
And here he was in his Dalek-like staccato, denouncing $The
Rabbi’s Speech$. “The whole thing is absolute rubbish!” Is this
the “selective anti-Semitism” that Henry Ford was supposed to
have practised? “I’m absolutely against that; communism and
Zionism are not identical forces…they might on certain levels
cooperate, but they’re aetiologically totally disparate.”
The reality is that a lot of people who are in no sense of the
word anti-Semitic, believe in the world Jewish conspiracy or the
Zionist world conspiracy, for there is good $prima facie$ evi-
dence for it. In the United States if not in Britain, Jews can in
some sense be said to control the media, and they have certainly
had pretty much their own way with regard to US foreign policy
over the past four and a half decades. This though has been more
of a partnership between the Israelis and the fascists who have
hijacked the State Department, than overt Zionist manipulation.
(62)
Then there is the embarrassing plethora of Jewish names associa-
ted with banking, big business and the mysterious quasi-secret
power elites which somehow never get a mention in the mainstream
press, a press which is fiercely proud of its independence,
remember?
However, on closer examination, the Jewish/Zionist conspiracy
does not hold water, although there is certainly dirty work afoot
here. We conclude this section with the rest of the Mary
Seal/Keith Mears interview.

Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “JWCCTI1” writes:
> “There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that
> so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are
> consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” -‘Jewish
> Chronicle’, London, April 4, 1919

This quote is accurate, I’ve got the entire article, but rather than an
endorsement of Bolshevism this article is a long, boring, trashy piece of
waffle such as any journalist would write.

> “We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain destroyers forever.
> Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We
> will forever destroy because we need a world of our own.”
> -Maurice Samuels, ‘You Gentiles’, p. 155, Harcourt, Brace. 1924
>
> MY COMMENT: doesn’t sound genuine.

It is, unfortunately.

> “We Jews, who have posed as Saviours of the World, we are
> today nothing else but the world’s seducers, its destroyers, its
> incendiaries, its executioners.” -Oscar Levy
>
> MY COMMENT: Who is Oscar Levy? Sounds fraudulent to me. I disagree at
> any rate.

This is true as well. Dr Oscar Levy wrote an introduction to an edition of
de Gobineau’s Inequality of the Races praising him as a true prophet. Incidentally
this book is by no means anti-black.

> “Some call it Marxism – I call it Judaism.” -Rabbi Stephen S.
> Wise, ‘The American Bulletin’, May 15, 1935

This is a proven fake; even Lincoln Rockwell admitted it. What the fuck was
the American Bulletin?

> “We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is
> racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark
> races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we
> can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In
> America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the
> Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to install in
> the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros.
> We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of
> life, in the professions and in the world of sports and
> entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to
> intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver
> America to our cause.” -Israel Cohen ‘A Racial Program for the
> Twentieth Century,’ 1912, Congressional Record, p8557, 1957

This is the work of Eustace Mullins; it was exposed in the Washington Star
February 1958, by A.K. Chesterton in 1968 and by yours truly in Global
Deception 1993 and Not The Protocols of Zion!
The real Israel Cohen was not amused.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Believe us anyway. Or else we’ll call you anti-Semitic
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Yes Al, Roberts, and all you other fucking Nazis:

there are fake photographs believe us anyway
some of the photos were staged believe us anyway
Filip Muller’s book is worthless – Pressac believe us anyway
yes, Al, the photo of the naked women on the way to the gas chamber
was retouched, they were old women, not young ones as shown believe us
anyway

yes Al, some of the testimony is unbelievable believe us anyway

yes, some SS men were tortured, particularly at the Dachau trials
believe us anyway

yes Al, the photos have been used as PROOF, at least as far as the
general public is concerned, but academics have seen the documents
which prove it happened believe us anyway

If you don’t believe us, Al, you’re an anti-Semite. The Revisionists are
always lying, even when they uncover the truth, they are always lying.

They are all anti-Semites. There can’t be any other reason. Believe us Al,
we wouldn’t lie to you.

In fact Al, you’re an anti-Semite anyway, you HATE the Jews. There can’t
be any other reason for anyone to dispute or question any aspect of the
Holocaust. You hate the Jews. Face it Al, you’re not just undiplomatic,
you’re a raving anti-Semite. No Jew would ever lie to you, and if you claim
any Jew ever would or did lie about the Holocaust, you must be an anti-Semite.
You’re even an anti-Semite for accusing Gentiles of lying, because only an
anti-Semite would dare challenge the holy writ of the Holocaust. Do you
read me, Al?

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article
[email protected] “Barry Shein” writes:

> >That’s sixteen publications which PROVE the Jewish conspiracy.
>
> No, Baron, they prove nothing of the sort.
>
> What they do prove is that you’re a moron. A hate-mongering, nazi
> moron at that.
>
> Just who do you think you are kidding?

World Conquest is not the Protocols, but you miss the point Mr Shein. The
point I was trying to make is that all these documents have been adduced
as proof of world Jewish control yet they are all nonsense. I could cite
dozens more. Again, the point is that it is not the quantity of the
evidence that is at issue in the Holocaust Debate but the quality of it.

Do you understand now?

Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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a couple of observations about SS man Pery Broad:

Broad’s testimony is above all a chronicle of a few striking events at the camp,
and, in my opinion, incapable of providing precise details about the Bukers
and the crematoria. After assessing its reliabilty, no conscientous historian
should be able to give credence to it, unless and until it has been stripped
of its Jewish influence, or until the original – if it exists – is published.

That is an honest assessment.

Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Roessler Ulrich” writes:
> And I only wanted Mr.Baron to open once the volumes with the
> proceedings and documents of the Nuremberg trials and look for himself.
> Apparently, he will never do so, rather he will endlessly babble
> “Staeglich points out”, “Butz points out” like a defect sound chip
> somebody has tampered with.

I really don’t see the point of doing this because like Keren, Mazal and
all the other polemicists you’ll simply ignore the answer and accuse me of lying
about something else, as Cole says: the Revisionist is always a liar.

Since you insist though:

26 July 1946 IMT XIX, pages 433-4: “Shall we do less when not one but on
the lowest computation 12 million men, women, and children, are done to death?
Not in battle, not in passion, but in the cold, calculated, deliberate attempt
to destroy nations and races…Twelve million murders!…Murder conducted
like some mass production industry in th gas chambers and the
ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Maidenek, and
Oranienberg” etc ad nauseum.

That was Shawcross, the UK prosecutor.
Satisfied?

This trash about the non-existence Dachau and Buchenwald gas chambers is
also reported in Lord Russell’s trashy “Scourge of the Swastika”.

Alexander Baron

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not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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In article
[email protected] “Barry Shein” writes:

Mr Shein,

I thought you were one of the more intelligent people in this newsgroup,
as you contributed to a book on the Internet. However, you appear to have
gone the way of all flesh. Let me then point out the reason for my posting;
it was to demonstrate that you can have reams and reams of evidence, but if
it’s all crap it doesn’t matter how much you’ve got. Ie the big lie technique
all over again.

Read my posting on Mullins and then apologise.

Alexander Baron

“He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who dare
not is a slave.” – W. Drummond

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ABdcu> That’s sixteen publications which PROVE the Jewish conspiracy.
ABdcu> How much proof do you want? Isn’t the quantity enough? Can they
ABdcu> all be forged, can all the documentation in them all be wrong,
ABdcu> misinterpreted or faked?

Give me a week and I’ll have 32 documents “proving” that you are a
known murderer and child-molester.

Your “documents” are of equal worth.

ABdcu> In short, Mr Stein, Dr Keren, do you believe that if an enormous
ABdcu> lie is told and repeated incessantly, that it must contain even
ABdcu> a grain of truth?

No they don’t. That’s why your repetition doesn’t impress them.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Alec {Abraham Ephraim Ben David} Grynszpan

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