In <325E79CE.65D8@nwark.com> “TJ \”Spark\” Miller jr.”
writes:
>
>Kiralynne wrote:
>>
>> [email protected] (Mark Evans) wrote:
>> >Bryan McGuire ([email protected]) wrote:
>> >: Kiralynne wrote:
>> >:
>> >: >Although ‘civilization’ dates back more than ten thousand
>> >: >years.. no evidence of women ever being in charge. Looking
>> >: >at all the messes in history.. maybe it should be our turn.
>
>Cleopatra, The various Queens of England (From Victoria on…):
>
>Nope, no female leaders here…
Queen Hatshepsut (at the height of Egypt’s empire) was more powerful
than Cleopatra. In England, there was Queen Elizabeth I, Mary Tudor,
and Mary Stuart. Also Catherine of Russia….and so on….
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being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
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Subject: Re: Chris Lie-man lies again
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In <53l[email protected]> [email protected] (Keith E Jackson)
writes:
>>Btw II, this all started when PJ posted an article about an Idaho
>>prosecutor who was throwing pregnant teenage girls in jail for
>>fornication. This person didn’t bother to hand out the same
>>consequence to the boys who impregnated them. Some people just love
>>the smell of double standards in the morning.
A double-standard. Myself, I think it stinks. What do pro-lifers
think? Are they for it or against it? Hidden agenda behind the pro-life
movement: anti-female-sexuality?
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In <3261b8[email protected]> [email protected] (Tami ) writes:
>
>Kenneth Gore wrote:
>
>>I think that you hit the nail smack on the head there. We MUST
>>reestablish respect for religious beliefs, family values,
>
>Whose family values? Yours? ROFL&L&L&L&L. Advocating the death or
>pregnant women is NOT family values.
Definitely not anything remotely compatible with any of MY values.
Only a scum would advocate it.
What we need to do is advocate
>that families
and individuals.
decide their values – not church or state.
Exactly.
>>and the rights of individuals,
Hypocrite.
>Again ROFL&L&L&L&L. Either you’re contradicting yourself or you’re
>admitting that you believe that women are not individuals.
Exactly.
>>especially the rights of the unborn to be born at all costs,
>
>z/e/f’s don’t have rights.
Women do.
>>and I think that we’ll achieve those goals.
>
>Of what? Living in a new nazi era?
Kenneth Gore is a lying, woman-hating jerk.
> Tami
>
>Any idiot can face a crisis – it’s this day-to-day living that wears
you out.
>
> – Anton Chekhov
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In <3261b8[email protected]> [email protected] (Tami ) writes:
>
>Kenneth Gore wrote:
>
>>I think that you hit the nail smack on the head there. We MUST
>>reestablish respect for religious beliefs, family values,
>
>Whose family values? Yours? ROFL&L&L&L&L. Advocating the death or
>pregnant women is NOT family values.
Definitely not anything remotely compatible with any of MY values.
Only a scum would advocate it.
What we need to do is advocate
>that families
and individuals.
decide their values – not church or state.
Exactly.
>>and the rights of individuals,
Hypocrite.
>Again ROFL&L&L&L&L. Either you’re contradicting yourself or you’re
>admitting that you believe that women are not individuals.
Exactly.
>>especially the rights of the unborn to be born at all costs,
>
>z/e/f’s don’t have rights.
Women do.
>>and I think that we’ll achieve those goals.
>
>Of what? Living in a new nazi era?
Kenneth Gore is a lying, woman-hating jerk.
> Tami
>
>Any idiot can face a crisis – it’s this day-to-day living that wears
you out.
>
> – Anton Chekhov
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In <3261b8[email protected]> [email protected] (Tami ) writes:
>
>Kenneth Gore wrote:
>
>>I think that you hit the nail smack on the head there. We MUST
>>reestablish respect for religious beliefs, family values,
>
>Whose family values? Yours? ROFL&L&L&L&L. Advocating the death or
>pregnant women is NOT family values.
Definitely not anything remotely compatible with any of MY values.
Only a scum would advocate it.
What we need to do is advocate
>that families
and individuals.
decide their values – not church or state.
Exactly.
>>and the rights of individuals,
Hypocrite.
>Again ROFL&L&L&L&L. Either you’re contradicting yourself or you’re
>admitting that you believe that women are not individuals.
Exactly.
>>especially the rights of the unborn to be born at all costs,
>
>z/e/f’s don’t have rights.
Women do.
>>and I think that we’ll achieve those goals.
>
>Of what? Living in a new nazi era?
Kenneth Gore is a lying, woman-hating jerk.
> Tami
>
>Any idiot can face a crisis – it’s this day-to-day living that wears
you out.
>
> – Anton Chekhov
[email protected]
“The concept of ‘greatness’ entails being noble,
wanting to be by oneself,
being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
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In <3261b8[email protected]> [email protected] (Tami ) writes:
>
>Kenneth Gore wrote:
>
>>I think that you hit the nail smack on the head there. We MUST
>>reestablish respect for religious beliefs, family values,
>
>Whose family values? Yours? ROFL&L&L&L&L. Advocating the death or
>pregnant women is NOT family values.
Definitely not anything remotely compatible with any of MY values.
Only a scum would advocate it.
What we need to do is advocate
>that families
and individuals.
decide their values – not church or state.
Exactly.
>>and the rights of individuals,
Hypocrite.
>Again ROFL&L&L&L&L. Either you’re contradicting yourself or you’re
>admitting that you believe that women are not individuals.
Exactly.
>>especially the rights of the unborn to be born at all costs,
>
>z/e/f’s don’t have rights.
Women do.
>>and I think that we’ll achieve those goals.
>
>Of what? Living in a new nazi era?
Kenneth Gore is a lying, woman-hating jerk.
> Tami
>
>Any idiot can face a crisis – it’s this day-to-day living that wears
you out.
>
> – Anton Chekhov
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In <53td5[email protected]> [email protected](Carol Ann
Hemingway) writes:
>
>In <[email protected]> Intolger ([email protected]) writes:
>>
>(edit)
>
> Women’s sexual shame is their problem, though. I’m more
>>interested in rescuing and protecting children from the destructive
>behaviors>of women and feminism.
>
> Ok, I’m curious enough to ask….what IS women’s sexual shame; is
>it a “shame” that they HAVE sex, or a shame that they ENJOY it?
>
>Lefty
_I_ say women should be selfishly proud to have and to enjoy sex — as
I am.
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In <53p3b[email protected]> [email protected] (Steven T.
Gladin) writes:
>
>In , [email protected]
>(Chris Lyman) wrote:
>
>CL> [email protected] (Dave Hudson) wrote:
>
>CL> # > It’s a pizza when it goes into the oven. There’s a box in
>CL> # > my freezer which has “Three Cheese Pizzas” on the outside.
>CL> # > It doesn’t say “Three Potential Cheese Pizzas.”
>
>CL> # Here, here! I was wondering when somebody was going to say that!
>
>CL> Well, what if you make a pizza from scratch instead of buying one
>CL> frozen?
>
>Chris, it seems the pro-LIARS are so hung up on not doing the nasty
>that they get their kids from the cryogenic section of the fertility
>store.
Har! Har! Good description of many of them.
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In [email protected]
(Gerhard N. Thoen) writes:
>
>In article <[email protected]>, xona
wrote:
>
>> Religious Bigots
>>
>> Pat Robertson> Jerry fallwell> gary Bauer> Ralph Reed> Chuck Coleson
>> James Dobson> Phyilis Schlafly> Donald Wildmon> Alan Keyes> C.
Dolores Tucker
>> Charles Grassley> Robert K. Dornan> Pat Buchanan> Bob Peters
>
>Dear xana, Please add my name to your list. I will be greatful to
know
>that I would be in Godly company here-for I know I will be in God’s
>company there. And with such persons as listed by you there will be no
>shame when I meet Him.
>These people are fine, moral and God fearing. They have Hope, Faith
and
>Charity. They not only know what they stand for but let those around
them
>know as well. You on the other hand apparently hate them for
>that-pity….
>God will forgive you-and He does love you.
>Regards, Gerhard
They’re totalitarian jerks who would extinguish _my_ freedoms. They’re
_my_ enemies and I don’t profess to love them or forgive them. You can
have them.
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In
[email protected] (Peter Bradt) writes:
>
>In article <[email protected]>, xona
wrote:
>
>> Religious Bigots
>>
>> Pat Robertson
>> Jerry fallwell
>> gary bauer
>> Ralph reed
>> Chuck Coleson
>> James Dobson
>> Phyilis Schlafly
>> Donald Wildmon
>> Alan Keyes
>> C. Dolores Tucker
>> Charles Grassley
>> Robert K. Dornan
>> Pat Buchanan
>> Bob Peters
>
>Add Laura Schlessinger to this list
Jesse Helms, too.
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In <[email protected]> Bill Renfro
writes:
>
>kerro wrote:
>>
>> [email protected] (Peter Bradt) wrote:
>> >In article <[email protected]>, xona
wrote:
>> >
>> >> Religious Bigots
>> >>
>> >> Pat Robertson
>> >> Jerry fallwell
>> >> gary bauer
>> >> Ralph reed
>> >> Chuck Coleson
>> >> James Dobson
>> >> Phyilis Schlafly
>> >> Donald Wildmon
>> >> Alan Keyes
>> >> C. Dolores Tucker
>> >> Charles Grassley
>> >> Robert K. Dornan
>> >> Pat Buchanan
>> >> Bob Peters
>> >
>> >Add Laura Schlessinger to this list
>>
>> Also, whatever happened to Oral Roberts? (He was given the bum’s
rush
>> from Australia as far back as the late 50s/early 60s – at least one
>> thing we’ve done right.) I presume he’s still around – god hasn’t
claimed
>> him yet…?
>
>
>Forgive me if this has already been addressed but I don’t understand.
>Is this a list of people who are bigotted against people of religion,
or
>people of religion who are bigotted?
>
>Bill
They’re people who are bigoted generally, and particularly are bigoted
against any religion that doesn’t assume that there can only be one God
— a MALE God.
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“The concept of ‘greatness’ entails being noble,
wanting to be by oneself,
being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
From [email protected] Sun Oct 20 14:36:01 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected](Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Gore says abortions are done by ‘the Jews.’
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In <[email protected]> IRISHLASS72
writes:
>
>Mike Pelletier wrote:
>
>> To the abortion-rights proponents, this unique, individual human
>> organism is not as important as the mother’s right to choose whether
>> to continue to nourish that human.
>>
>> To the abortion opponents, the importance of that unique human
>> organism’s life does not hinge on how far along in its growth and
>> development it is.
>>
>> -Mike Pelletier.
>
>Well, you’ve taken what is an extremely complex and emotionally
charged
>issue: ABORTION, and summed it up quite well. 🙂 I guess when it all
>comes down to it that’s how most people feel. If you are pro-choice,
>you feel the woman’s rights and life and circumstances, decisions,
etc.
>supercede those of the baby, if you’re not pro-choice you don’t care
>about the woman, you just want to save that baby growing inside of
her.
>;)
You got it! To the pro-lifers, a woman is just a semi-invisible
_wrapping_ around that cute little “baby” — a wrapping that
inconveniently walks, talks, thinks, and actually has the audacity to
think she has rights of her own, equal to any man (horrors! can’t allow
that!), and even equal to a zygote.
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wanting to be by oneself,
being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:35:17 PDT 1996
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In <[email protected]> OBI WAN writes:
>
>I WISH THERE MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN THIS WORLD!!
>THERE ARE TOO MANY RELIGOUS FREAKS IN THIS WORLD THAT ARE ALWAYS
>TRYING IN SAY WHAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN AND CAN’T DO….
>THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE SHOT!!!!
I AGREE!
>[email protected](MLW) wrote:
>
>>Newsgroups are for intelligent discussions (?!?!) or for FUN ….
>>Not for your hateful, ignorant crap.
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wanting to be by oneself,
being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
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From: [email protected](Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In
[email protected] (Meaghan Walker) writes:
>
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says…
>> Bryan McGuire wrote:
>> >
>> > Kiralynne wrote:
>> >
>> > >Although ‘civilization’ dates back more than ten thousand
>> > >years.. no evidence of women ever being in charge. Looking
>> > >at all the messes in history.. maybe it should be our turn.
>> >
>> > I would think that someone who was so proud of her heritage would
know
>> > something about it. I am utterly convinced you are not Native
>> > American.
>>
>> Not only that, but she is one who dwells on the negative. What about
ALL
>> of the RIGHT things in the world, and history. I might also add that
>> some women HAVE been in power in recent history in other countries,
and
>> some of those have actually shown that they do an equal job, and
some
>> worse. None have shown that they could do a better one.
>>
>
>Oh I dont know – she might be First Nations, She might just be totally
>ignorant of the several different tribes of First nations people from
all
>along the West Coast who were in fact Matriarchal.
>
>Meaghan Walker
It’s a lie that women are inherently more “peaceful” than men. Women
can be as violent and warlike as men — and _should_ be.
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wanting to be by oneself,
being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 12:17:57 PST 1996
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From: [email protected](Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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In <[email protected]> Gerry Harbison
writes:
>
>Kiralynne wrote:
>> You have committed a logical oxymoron.
>
>That’s very funny! I love self-referential humor!
>
>> I indicated
>> bills are examined for constitutional compliance.
>> Staff members will pass an opinion it is. A bill
>> is signed into law with the majority feeling it is
>> constitutional. Later…
>
>And of course, an elected representative would *never*, *never* vote
for
>a politically popular bill, knowing full well it would be struck down
>later as unconstitional.
>
>
>> I could care less about CDA whatever the Hell those
>> initials stand for. I am talking reality here.
>
>Ah, I see your problem. You’re utterly and completely ignorant.
>
>The Communications Decency Act was coauthored by Senators Exon and
>Gorton, tacked on to the Telecommunications Bill, passed
overwhelmingly
>by both houses, signed by the president, and blocked under an
injnction
>from a federal act withing 2 days of becoming law. It is currently
>awaiting Supreme Court review.
It means censorship of the net and I’m totally against it!!
>>
>> Congresspersons and Representatives are very careful
>> in the wording of bills. Teams of experts follow its
>> every development. It is checked for language, legality,
>> constitutionality and political impact. That is the
>> nature of politics. That is the purpose of staff members.
>
>Oh God.
>
>> Talk reality and we will debate. Talk nit picking and
>> I will nail you for it everytime. Semantics don’t work
>> on me. I am a Semantic Guerrilla.
>
>You are a blithering idiot.
>
>
>Gerry Harbison mailto:[email protected]
> http://chem-gharbison.unl.edu/harbison_group/harbison.html
page doesn`t exist anymore
>”They are trying to make some people feel good by making other people
>feel bad, and if I were a boy, I’d move to New Guinea.”
>– Sadie Stein, an eighth grader from New York, on Take Your Daughter
To
>Work Day.
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“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
From [email protected] Mon Oct 28 08:29:31 PST 1996
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From: [email protected](Steven Malcolm Anderson)
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Subject: Re: “ABOUT HARNESSING THE SUPREME COURT”
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kevin Kelly)
writes:
One excellent post! You said it all, Mr. Kelly. We need men and women
like you on our courts standing up for our personal freedoms.
>Papa Jack ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: >
>
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: Just when I made a firm decision not to bother with your
>: posts anymore
>
>Poor Jack, you’ve made this claim many times and to many people, and
not
>followed through. It’s one of the reasons you are laughed at.
>
>: because they were nothing but pure flames,
>: you go and fool me.
>
>It’s easy to fool a fool Jack.
>
>: This is the closest I’ve seen you come to actually discus-
>: sing the issues, KK. I’m proud of you. You’re still a
>: bit heavy on the sarcasm, but I’ve been known to singe my
>: opponents at time too, so I’ll forgo the criticism.
>
>IN a post where he criticizes. Most amusing.
>
>: Here’s a challenge. Can you discuss this post without a
>: single flame? I will do the same. Stick strictly to the
>: issues.
>
>I will respond as I choose. If I wish to flame I shall. Don’t like it?
Too
>bad.
>
>: First, let me add that both Mr. O’Sullivan and I both are
>: approaching this proposal a bit “tongue-in-cheek.” You
>: know how we Irish are.
>
>The Irish have enough troubles without some dweeb like you claiming to
be
>one. Give them a break, they have suffered enough.
>
>: [VBG] If either of us thought there
>: was really a realistic chance his proposed amendment might
>: pass we would both run away in fright. However, it does
>: offer a good opportunity to discuss the issues.
>
>Hardly, it instead points out the fears of social conservatives and
other
>loons, of people having individual freedom to engage in activites they
>don’t like.
>
>: =================================================
>: > Papa Jack ([email protected]) wrote:
>: > : “ABOUT HARNESSING THE SUPREME COURT”
>:
>: > : Would you vote for a constitutional amendment saying:
>:
>: > : “No law passed by Congress and signed by the
>: > : President shall be declared unconstitutional
>: > : by the courts.”
>
>: =================================================
>: > Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: > Absolutly amazing. Remove one of the checks and balances
>: > from the system because a bunch of right wingers feel
>: > threatened that people have freedoms that they don’t like.
>
>: =================================================
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: Let’s look at our current checks and balances:
>
>: a. PRESIDENT – checked by Congress’ ability to override vetos,
>: checked by the Supreme Court’s power to rule actions are
>: illegal or unconstitutional, and checked by elections every
>: four years.
>
>: b. CONGRESS – checked by President’s veto authority, checked
>: by the Supreme Court’s power to rule actions are illegal or
>: unconstitutional, and checked by elections every four years.
>
>: c. SUPREME COURT – checked only by Congress’ power to pass
>: Constitutional Amendments through an extremely awkard and
>: slow legislative process which takes years to complete.
>: NOT subject to Presidential veto, congressional override,
>: or elections.
>
>You whine about tyranny of the SC. Yet in reality the tyranny you
would
>support is that of you and your fellow travellers. If your views
really
>and trully represent the beleifs of the the public at large than
getting
>them enshrined through the proper process should be something that can
be
>accomplished. What we see however is a an implicit admission that your
>views are not the majority views.
>
>: Not very impressive checks and balances against tyranny by
>: the SC, huh?
>
>What tyranny Jack. I have asked you to spell it out and you choose not
to.
>What are you whining about? And remember real world examples.
>
>: =================================================
>: > Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: > Here’s a free clue. If the very same Congress and President
>: > pass a law outlawing guns and freedom of speech and freedom
>: > of association, it would be constituional under this childish
>: > concept.
>
>: =================================================
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: Let’s look at the 10th Amendment.
>
>And ignore the point being made. You might be rather impressed with
>yourself Jack by cutting and pasting text from another repsonse of
yours.
>I think it shows a failure in your ability to think.
>
> For all practical purposes,
>: the SC has simply decided to ignore this vital part of the Bill
>: of Rights. In a 1941 decision, U.S. vs. Darby, Chief Justice
>: Harlan Fiske Stone reduced the amendment to rubble, describing
>: it merely declatory of intergovernmental relationships and as
>: having no substantive meaning. (The Oxford Companion to the
>: Supreme Court, p. 863).
>
>Specifics Jack. Case cite, ruling, and vote. In addition other cases
that
>draw on this decision as the basis of subsequent decisisons. Otherwise
I
>am hardly convinced of your claim as to what has been done. If you
wern;t
>a liar I wouldn’t necessarily ask you to support your claim.
>
>: That’s a cornerstone of the Bill of Rights! All legal scholars
>: admit the SC’s creative interpretations of the “commerce clause”
>: have clearly exceeded any possible interpretation of what the
>: Founding Fathers intended.
>
>Quite possibly, and of course you speak out again the law on “Partial
>Birth abortions” for the same reason right? After all it relys on the
>commerce clause.
>
>: I could write pages more about the
>: obvious abuses by the SC over the social structures of our
>: nation.
>
>Do it. I see nothing but vacous whining wihtout any substence. SHow us
>what you are complaining about.
>
>: My point — and it’s the same point that Judge Bork and others
>: have made — is that you are worrying about what the President
>: and Congress could theoretically do.
>
>I am not worring about any theoretical notion. The CDA is no theory
twit.
>It’s a law that violates the first amendment passed by congress and
the
>president to keep social conservativeshappy. And under your
brilliantly
>childish scheme it’s constituional.
>
> The Supreme Court is
>: already doing it.
>
>Examples and lots of them please.
>
> They take an oath to protect and defend
>: the Constitution of the United States, but they violate that
>: oath daily.
>
>Really? Then since the Court is back in session please list the
violations
>of the last few weeks. A day by day breakdown will suffice with
>appropriate cites. Thanks.
>
>: ==================================================
>: > : Papa Jack wrote:
>: > : Has the Supreme Court’s judicial usurption disfranchised
>: > : Americans on vital moral questions?
>
>: =================================================
>: > Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: > BullshittoEnglish Translator: Has the move towards personal
>: > freedom and responsibility made a bunch of control freaks
>: > unhappy and plotting to destroy the delicate framework of
>: > government.
>
>: =================================================
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: Don’t you think that’s a bit heavy, KK?
>
>Nope. Your whining above is a classic example. WHat moral questions
have
>you been disefranchised about? Be specific and show that they involve
>anything but personal freedom of others.
>
>: Now, please translate
>: your point into specific examples or statements that I can
>: deal with.
>
>: The only logical reply to a flame is another,
>: better flame
>
>And theres nothing to worry about as far as that goes with you.
>
>:– and we said we’d skip the flames this time
>: around.
>
>No you said you would, I didn’t.
>
>: ==================================================
>: > : Papa Jack wrote:
>: > : This is the main thrust of Judge Robert H. Bork’s new
>: > : book, _Slouching Towards Gomorrah_ — as well as in a
>: > : joint effort in the journal, “First Things,” where Judge
>: > : Bork is joined by Hadley Arkes, Russell Hittinger, Robert
>: > : George, and Charles Colson.
>:
>: > : National Review’s editor, John O’Sullivan, suggests a
>: > : constitutional amendment, as shown above to significantly
>: > : limit the SC’s ability to arbitrarily establish social
>: > : policies.
>
>: =================================================
>: > Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: > Let’s see. Jack you against contraceptives? How about mixed
>: > marriages? Beside abortion whcih I can see some argument
>: > what is it the “conservatives” fear? Be specific jack and do
>: > try to respond with real world points and support for those
>: > points.
>
>: =================================================
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: I do not understand your point. I am not against either
>: contraceptives or mixed marriages.
>
>You see Jack, these are things that the SC allowed by overturning as
>unconstituional laws set up by social conservatives such as yourself.
>These are things we take as clearly being within the framework of
personal
>freedom, yet according to you you beleive that you may decide these
issues
>for me and others as you feel disenfranchised about social issues.
>
>: The conservatives main fear is that we are losing the
>: constitutional principles established by our Founding
>: Fathers.
>
>Like men only voting or blacks not being citizens? WHen are you going
to
>wake up to the fact the constitution is a living breathing instrument
and
>not some hide bound document that’s only meaning is what some
>”consrvative” wishes it to be?
>
>: As noted above, the SC has played a major role
>: by crushing the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Bill of
>: Rights,
>
>No the SC hardly did that. Those with power do that.
>
>: and by watering down the spirit and intent of the
>: 2nd Amendment.
>
>According to your moronic idea the 2nda amendment can be repealed by a
law
>of congress and the president signing it.
>
>: Social engineering in the form of decisions
>: such as Roe v. Wade are bad law — plain and simple —
>
>Name the other social engineering Jack and show that is something
other
>than people exercising their personal freedom.
>
>: based on newly discovered “Constitutional rights” which
>: fit whatever current fad of social engineering is popular.
>
>Hmmm do you think you should be told who you should marry or not? Or
if
>you use contraceptives? Those are some of things that were allowed by
what
>you call social engineering. WHat we see people moving to is the
concept
>of individual liberty. ANd what we see in reaction is those who feel
that
>this is a threat to them and their power structures and therefore are
>somehow evil.
>
>: To carry that a step further, the conservatives fear we
>: are sacrificing the moral principles which made this
>: country great.
>
>Like what?
>
>: We see the deterioration of the American
>: family, with expanding divorce rates, increasing numbers of
>: children raised by single moms, growing drug abuse rates,
>: … you know the routine.
>
>Yup and I know that the SC is not responsible for these activities. If
the
>choice is between living in a loveless marriage or getting a divorce,
get
>the divorce. If people resort to drugs do you think your laws against
them
>are stopping them. People take drugs to escape jack. What is it they
are
>escaping? A SC decision?
>
> They are all true and they all
>: threaten the future of my grandchildren.
>
>No they don’t. What threatens your grandchildren is an insitence that
they
>not think and follow a programming of their lives set out by those who
are
>afraid of life.
>
>: ==================================================
>: > : Papa Jack wrote:
>: > : Mr. O’Sullivan admits this proposal is probably too
>: > : radical to pass, but it would at least get us to discus-
>: > : sing the powers of the Supreme Court. Such debate would
>: > : be healthy for the people — and might send a message
>: > : to those who would practice tyranny from the bench.
>
>: =================================================
>: > Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: > And the message being you want your tyranny instead.
>
>: =================================================
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: How would expanding the authority of the President and
>: Congress help ME impose MY tyranny?
>
>WHy because then it would be easier for you to get your perversion of
what
>society should be enforced by law. Laws that would be overturned as
they
>are unconstituional.
>
>: Last time I checked
>: Clinton was a liberal Democrat doing all the things I hate.
>: And, I’m not that sure I’m all that happy with our GOP
>: majority in Congress — they’re a bunch of wimps.
>
>Wimps? The most idealogical congress in years and they are wimps.
Scorch
>and burn eh Jack?
>
>: ==================================================
>: > : Papa Jack wrote:
>: > : What do you think?
>
>: =================================================
>: > Kevin Kelly wrote:
>: > I think anyone proposing such is an enemy of freedom and
>: > wishes to enforce moral standards on those that don;t share
>: > them. That you bring this up as anything approaching worthy
>: > of discussion is not surprising. What scares you so much
>: > about personal freedom jack?
>
>: =================================================
>: Papa Jack comments:
>: First, remember what I said at first. This is a debate exercise
>: for both John O’Sullivan and me. I would NOT seriously propose
>: the amendment in question.
>
>: But, I am a bit amazed that you would interpret the amendment
>: as an attempt to enforce moral standards on anyone. How do
>: you envision that would work? Remember what the proposed
>: amendment said:
>
>: “No law passed by Congress and signed by the
>: President shall be declared unconstitutional
>: by the courts.”
>
>And do remember what else you said about being disenfranchised about
>social issues? I say you were smarter than this but that would be a
lie.
>
>: That involves a total of 546 elected representatives of all
>: parties. Not very good material for a conspiracy of right
>: wingers.
>
>Let’s see a bunch of politicians whose only concern according to some
is
>their own re-election would never ever pass a law that removed the
liberty
>of someone simply because a majority of people thought it ok to do so.
Or
>how about them doing it if the majority of people don’t know the
issue?
>Geez and they would never pass anything to limit my right to free
specch
>because a bunch of conservatives demans it? I guess the CDA is a
figment
>of my imagination.
>
>: There is not a thing which scares me about personal freedom,
>: KK. In fact, I believe conservatives are far more concerned
>: about personal freedoms than are those who prefer more col-
>: lectivist forms of government.
>
>Well I don;t see it from the bunch that call themsleves conservatives.
>Real conservatives maybe but not your bunch.
>
>The power of accurate observation is commonly
>called cynicism by those who have not got it.
>- George Bernard Shaw
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wanting to be by oneself,
being capable of being different, standing alone…” -Friedrich Nietzsche
“Identity is shaped through confict and opposition.” -Camille Paglia
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Subject: Re: how do Hillary/Feminists justify the slaughter preborn sisters ???
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In <[email protected]> elizabeth frantes
writes:
Another good one! “Give me (and women) liberty or give me (and jerks)
death.”
>[email protected] (Stephen Buza) wrote:
>
>>It is a black and white issue.
>
>No, it isn’t, unless you have a very limited intellect.
>”Concrete” thinking is often a sign of brain damage.
>
> If you don’t vote during these
>>elections, then you don’t have the right to bitch about their
outcome.
>>If you don’t take a stand against abortion, then you don’t have the
>>right to feel “sick to your stomach” when someone kills their child.
>
>One can feel any way one wants.
>I feel bad about the dead civilians in Iraq.
>But I do not oppose the military.
>Should a person not against gun control not feel
>anything when some gunnut blows away a bunch of
>kids, like what happened in Scotland long ago?
>
>And a fetus is not a child.
>
>>It makes me sick to my stomach when people know that abortion
>>is wrong but are too cowardly to take a stand against it.
>
>OK–soo why not eliminate all abortions by using the same
>method that the livestock industry has used for years?
>They simply castrate males. It’s cheap, has virtually no
>side effects, and it WORKS. Fertility of the females is
>thus controlled. We could save sperm when a male is an
>adolescent, then whack off their balls, so they would NEVER
>impregnate a woman.
>
>Hey, if you want to tell me what to do with my body,
>I get to do the same.
>
>My method is much cheaper, since no foster homes/orphanges/
>jails will be needed for unwanted children. It would probably reduce
>the violent crime rate, as well.
>
>>Those of us who are opposed to abortion used to be called pro-life.
>
>if they also opose warfare, capital punishment, etc, I’d call ’em
>pro-life.
>
>>Now we are called anti-abortion because the media has determined
>>that “pro-life” is a misnomer. That’s ok, though because I am
>>anti-abortion.
>
>Fine, don’t get one.
>
>>Funny thing is, the term “pro-choice” is much more of a misnomer than
>>pro-life ever was. Pro-choice is much less about choice than it is
>>about killing preborn children.
>
>There is no such thing as an unborn child. Are you a predead corpse?
>And the deal is that the WOMAN gets to choose. What, you don’t think
>women should be allowed to choose?
>Well, we could save lives if YOU donate blood and body parts.
>You don’t need both kidneys. Bone marrow extraction is much less
>painful than childbirth. You can spare 1 pint of blood every 6 weeks.
>Needless to say when you die, the docs get to take all the bits they
>want, then use your body for training ppurposes. Hell, after you die,
>why not save lives? It’s not like YOU”LL be needing the parts, then!
>
> If you cared about choice, you’d care
>>about the choice of the child. I believe in personal choice.
>and being male, you need never face the consequences of your
“morality”.
>
>> I do
>>not believe, however, that the right to personal choice is more
>>important than the right to live.
>
>”Give me liberty of give me death”>
>
> Our history is full of tempering
>
>tampering
>>the right to choose when that choice has an adverse effect on the
life
>>of another individual.
>
>Please note that abortion was legal when the Constitution was put in
>effect. They didn’t care. A fetus does not have any rights.
>Never did.
>When abortion was illegal, rich women went to another country
>or bribed a doctor. Illegal abortion is simply taking choice away
>from the poor. Rich women will get nice safe aboritons elsewhere.
>
>>In the end, its just semantics. Either you oppose abortion, or you
>>support it. It’s as simple as that.
>
>Here’s something simple:
>You can oppose abortion all you want. Fine.
>Don’t get one. Dobn’t perform one.
>If you tell me what to do with my body, I tell you
>what to do with yours.
>
>And you won’t like what I have in mind.
>
>eaf
>
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Papa Jack:
Specifically, which SC decisions are you objecting to, other than Roe
vs. Wade?: Brown vs. Board of Education? Griswold vs. Connecticut?
Stanley vs. Georgia? Hint: all of these decisions protected our
PERSONAL FREEDOMS. OK, Bowers vs. Hardwick was lousy, but your proposed
remedy would hardly fix that.
Mr. Kelly asked you this exact same question and you just called him
names and ran away without answering it. If you fail to answer this
question, to clarify your stand on our PERSONAL FREEDOMS, then I will
be forced to conclude what others have concluded about you.
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