In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Chapter 3 is interesting in that it purports to show
> photographic copies of a diary allegedly kept by
> a German officer in a motorcycle battalion. The first
> part of the diary is harmless enough, with tales of
> marching out to the strains of “Muss i denn, muss i denn,,,,
>
> Yet in the second half of the diary, when the soldier is
> supposed to be in Russia and a witness to horrible massacres,
> an odd thing occurs:
>
> The first part of the diary is written in a completely different
> script and handwriting than the second half, where all the
> alleged atrocitites are detailed.
>
> Conclusion: The second half of the diary is a phoney, or
> else written by an entirely different person. In any event, the
> details alleged in the second half of the diary are unsubstantiated.
Blackie–I took a look at this ‘diary’ and I’m appalled that
you blew this research project of your so badly! The diary is not
the document of a PERSON, it’s the diary of a CYCLE BATTALION.
DO you know what a BATTALION is? Of course different hands
recorded the entries. It’s the documentatio of an entire army of
soldiers.
Once again–DUH.
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From [email protected] Tue Dec 3 06:48:54 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Denier tactics: Quoting out of context;
the case of Kurt Stele’s .sig
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Marty Kelley wrote:
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> For some time, “Kurt Stele” has been using the following quote as his
> .signature file:
> >
> > “[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of “Holocaust survivors”] are full
> > of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
> > overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
> > lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies.”
> >
> > Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
> > York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
>
> Unlike many Holocaust deniers, Mr. “Stele” does in fact quote the words
> fairly accurately, even including a detailed, accurate citation. That is,
> in fact, what allowed me to find the Gringauz article itself (which I
> doubt Mr. “Stele” has read himself–where did you read this, Mr.
> “Stele”?).
>
analysis snipped for brevity
Nice job, Marty! You are proving the point that all one has to do is
examine the claims of those who would deny the Holocaust to uncover the
fatal flaws. You did it masterfully!
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Subject: Re: Hausherr new potential ally of scientology!
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Troy Varange wrote:
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> Tilman Hausherr writing [ 1280] bytes in <[email protected]>
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> > Ernst Zuendel, the canadian holocaust revisionist, dreams of an alliance
> > of scientology and extremists against the german state.
>
What is the sudden love-affair between Holocaust revisionists and the
Church of Scientology? First it’s Raven and Weber, now it’s Ernst
Zundel. Who’s next? John Travlota? Tom Cruise? I don’t get it.
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Craig D wrote:
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> Does the Watchtower practice revisionism???
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~defender
What are you talking about? Just trolling?
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From: Annie Alpert
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Subject: Re: For Ms. Alpert-“A Shooting at Ilkenau”
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[email protected] wrote:
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> In response to your comment on the shooting of
> Tadeusz Lupa at Ilkenau from “The Good Old Days”
>
> I was just wondering whether you ever stopped to
> consider that Tadeusz Lupa ran because he committed
> the crime? No one else made any attempt to flee-perhaps
> because they were simply innocent.
_I_ was just owndering if _you_ ever stopped to consider that Tad Lupa
ran even though he didn’t commit any crime (except the crime of being
Jewish)? Based on the sketchy description in the excerpt, you can
hardly draw any conclusions.
BTW, what is your opinion of an invading army coming into a village that
is 50% Jewisha nd 50% Christian? What is your opinion of that army
rataliating on an attack of one of their members by persons unknown by
dragging the Jewish residents of the town out in the street and
murdering some of them and sending the rest of them to a slave and
extermination camp?
Is that ok with you?
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[email protected] wrote:
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> Are you implying that the Diary was written by the whole battalion? Or
> was it the officer in charge? Is any name or names listed? That might
> help to clear things up a bit.
Tell you what–why don’t you look at the book in question before you ask
ignorant questions. It would save us all a lot of time.
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> I think the advice was being directed to you, Miss Alpert.
Look, Tutu–you need to know how to post before you try to join a
conversation. How am I supposed to know what ‘advice’ you are referring
to if you don’t quote the original note?
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Subject: Nazi math? WAS Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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Tbone wrote:
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> I was taught in school that 6 million jews were murdered by the Nazi’s in
> the “holocaust”. That has been the party line since WWII. We’ve heard it
> constantly, and it’s illegal to question it in Canada, Germany, Israel,
> France, and a few other countries. (Just ask Irving, Zundel, Leuchter,
> etc.)
>
> But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
> prayed over, commemorating the 4 million jews, etc…) The Auschwitz State
> Museum (whatever its official name is) has OFFICIALLY LOWERED the Auschwitz
> death toll to “around 1.5 million”, a reduction of approx. 2.5 million.
> Some Soviet papers documented only 72,000 jewish deaths there…
>
> So, what is the official jewish count? Still 6 million, of course!!! How
> can the former total of 6 million lose 2.5 million, and still be 6 million?
> Maybe that’s a special kind of math only taught to jews, I don’t know. To
> white people, that equals a max of 3.5 million, which the jews can’t allow
> because it would screw up their entire holy-hoax scam.
>
> Remember, the Katyn Massacre? 13,000+ Polish officers murdered. We were
> told for 45 years that the Germans did it. Then the Soviets said, “Nope, we
> did it.” With that it mind, isn’t it reasonable to assume that perhaps the
> jew count is suspect, at best, and deliberately fraudulent at worst?
>
> Hail the Order!
Since you obviously haven’t found the time to do much research on the
subject–being so busy hailing the order and all–here is some
information that may help you understand the death counts:
To begin with, Adolf Eichmann, the SS officer charged by Hitler with the
destruction of millions of Jews, reported to Himmler in August 1944
that, although the death camps kept no exact statistics, 4 million Jews
had died in them and that 2 million more had been shot or killed by
mobile units (Einsatzkommandos).
Now, let’s add this up…4 million + 2 million = 6 million.
Coincidence? Historians determined that the number of Jews killed is
very close the number that the Germans themselves estimated. For a good
accounting of the numbers killed, refer to appendix III of Raul
Hilberg’s “The Destruction of the European Jews” (available through
most public and University library systems). NOTE: these figures by
Hilberg were derived through painstaking research–not by reading a
plaque.
STATISTICAL RECAPITULATION OF JEWISH DEAD
(by operation)
Area of mobile killing operations: 1,400,000
tabulated dead (900,000)
untabulated dead (500,000)=
unreported by Einsatzgruppen (150,000?)
Higher SS and police leaders and BdS GG (100,000)
Army killings, PW killings and operations
by anti-partisan units (100,000)
Ghetto dead (100,000)
death of fleeing Jews (50,000?)
Area of deportations: 3,700,000
Killed in camps (including Transnistria) (3,000,000)
ghetto and aggravated deaths (700,000)
TOTAL >5,100,000
(Recent developments in the former USSR have uncovered more data,
which, I have heard, indicates that these figures are
under-calculated by 250,000-500,000.)
Here is another look at the numbers:
Appendix Table B2 from Raul Hilberg’s “Destruction of
European Jewry” Vol III, p1220:
DEATHS BY COUNTRY
Poland up to 3,000,000
USSR over 700,000
Romania 270,000
Czechoslovakia 260,000
Hungary over 180,000
Lithuania up to 130,000
Germany over 120,000
Netherlands over 100,000
France 75,000
Latvia 70,000
Yugoslavia 60,000
Greece 60,000
Austria over 50,000
Belgium 24,000
Italy (including Rhodes)
9,000
Estonia 2,000
Norway under 1,000
Luxemborg under 1,000
Danzig under 1,000
____________________________
Total 5,100,000
NOTE: Borders refer to 1937. Converts to Christianity are
included and refugees are counted with the countries from
which they were deported
Table B3
DEATHS BY YEAR
1933-1940 under 100,000
1941 1,100,000
1942 2,700,000
1943 500,000
1944 600,000
1945 100,000
______________
Total 5,100,000
Note Rounded to nearest 100,000
Now if you are just looking at Auschwitz, here are the figures from the
book “Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers” by
Jean-Claude Pressac. From the introduction by Beate and Serge Klarsfeld:
“TABLE SUMMARIZING THE FINDINGS OF GEORGES WELLER’S RESEARCH: Number of
deaths at Auschwitz
Category Total # total total
deportees dead survivors
Jews 1,433,405 1,352,980 (94.4%) 80,425 (5.6%)
“Poles” + EH 142,940 83,010 (58.1) 59,930 (40.9)
Gypsies 21,665 20,255 (93.5) 1,410 (6.5)
Russians 11,780 11,685 (99.2) 96 (0.8)
Total 1,613,455 1,471,595 (92.1) 141,860 (8.8)
(Note: EH = ‘Erziehungshaftlinge’–prisoners interned
for reeducation)
Weller further breaks down the deaths:
Category NUMBER OF DEAD
in gas chambers other causes
Jews 1,323,000 (92.3%) 29,980 (2.3%)
“Poles” + EH 3,665 ( 2.5) 83,010 (56.6)
Gypsies 6,430 (29.6) 13,825 (63.8)
Russians 1,605 (13.6) 10,080 ( 8.5)
Total 1,334,700 (82.7 %) 136,895 (8.5%)
Klarsfeld notes: “It should be pointed out that the great historian
estimates the number of Jews who entered Auschwitz-Birkinau at between
1,050,000 and 1,100,000 (Le Nouvel Observateur” 3rd July 1982)” [Since
Hilberg’s estimates in 1983, however, the fall of the Soviet Union has
made additional documents available that indicate these figures are
underestimated by at least 250,000…]
>From these figures we see that, while fewer gypsies and Russians were
gassed, they did poorly in the camps; that a greater proportion of Jews
were gassed than non-Jews and that Poles survived best of all–probably
because of their non-Jewish status. This supports eyewitness accounts
that indicate that Poles were given preferred status in the camps.
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Subject: Re: Jewish Denial of Jewish Holocausts and Atrocities
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Doc Tavish wrote:
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> The Nazis Were Not The First In Atrocities & Cruelty!
>
anti-Semitic ranting and raving snipped
> Submitted in the name of dissemination of the truth and nothing
> but the truth against the anti-Christian hordes that seek the
> destruction of gentile culture. Doc Tavish
Oh, great–just what Alt.Revisionism needs. Another wild-eyed
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tom moran wrote:
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> >
> > As to the general architectural design of the building, it has an
> >aesthetic appeal. Made of stone, with tile roof, dormers and –
> >windows. Windows galore. Large double windows, running the full length
> >of the building. All this giving the crematoriums the appearance they
> >could be union halls, or mess halls, class rooms or whatever.
>
> Having gotten an aggrivated e-mail about this part of the last
> posted comment in the thread, I will comment on this crematorium
> design further.
> I would say most real revisionist representatives would recognize
> these buildings as having a function for a morgue in one of the
> cellars and some limited cremation capablility, probably taking place
> in the ell.
Pardon me for bursting your bubble, Tom, but can you tell me why a
morgue wouf need to be HEATED? Does sort of defeat the purpose of
perserving bodies, wouldn’t you say??
>
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher’s Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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Tutu101 wrote:
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> To Mr. Feree re the Dachau Gas Chamber: Evidence was posted on alt.
> revisionism months ago that this alleged gas chamber was not constructed>
until only a few months before the war ended.
If this statement is> correct,
that would mean that what you were told and what you have read is> untrue.
What exactly IS it that you think Mr. Feree has been told and has read
about Dachau? Your note is a bit incomplete–and therefore a waste of
bandwidth here.
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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Jim Stuart wrote:
>
> From: [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect)
>
>from Jim Stuart
> 1. “The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are
> more important than the laws of Moses.”-
> -Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.
>
> Jim: This seems reasonable enough. I guess that the law of Moses
> is the ten commandments, right? Still, it is a question as to what
> the teaching are; can they be given any general characterization?
> Are there any examples?
>
> 2. “The Jews are human beings , but the nations of the world are not
> human beings but beasts.”-
> -Baba Mecia 114, 6.
>
> Jim: As I recall, there are references to various animals in
> astrology; so one person might be a Capricorn, and another might
> be a Taurus. So, is this the kind of symbolism that’s intended? On
> the face of it, the statement seems rather nationalistic, to say the
> least!
>
> 3. “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would
> not have to be served by beasts.
> The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and commanded
> to serve the Jew day and night.”-
> -Midrasch Talpioth, p225-L.
>
> Jim: This is a pretty strong statement. It seems too specific to
> be mere symbolism. But, perhaps there is something that changes the
> meaning?
>
> 4. “At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of
> business is forbidden. But it is permitted
> to cheat a goy, because cheating of goyim at any time pleases the Lord.”-
> -Chulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 539.
>
> Jim: Well, here my lack of information is a problem. What on Earth is
> Cholhamoed? And, again, what exactly are goyim? Non-Jews, I guess?
> Anyway, the statement seems to speak for itself, but I’m open to
> clarifications.
>
> 5. “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”-
> -Aboda Sarah 37a.
>
> Jim: This is an amazing statement; even if it is only historical,
> and has since been abandoned, the surface meaning seems shocking.
> But perhaps violated has a different meaning somehow? Or, was
> Aboda Sarah (What IS an Aboda? A name?) giving an example of
> an attitude that Jewish culture disapproved of?
>
> So, here’s the question again. Are these quotes in truth and in fact from
> the current Talmud? And, if they are, is the Talmud still viewed as a
> living, operative document? Or is it just an historical document,
> something that no one really cares about?
>
> If these statements are out of context, and mean something other
> than the surface appearance suggests, then I would like to learn
> the truth.
>
Jim, one excellent source for a rebuttal to the Talmud references you
cite–which, BTW, were gleaned from a pamphlet called “The Talmud
Unmasked”, obstensibly by “Rev” I. B. Pranaitus, but apparently by
Wesley Swift, Christian Identify preacher and well-known anti-Semite in
the 30’s. It was published by Lyrl Van Hyning, publisher of the
anti-Semitic, anti-Black paper, “Woman’s Voice”–is a book called
“Hoaxers: Plain Liars, Fancy Liars and Damned Liars” by Morrisy
Kominsky, Branden PRess 1970 ISBN 8283-1288-5.
I’m not Jewish and I’m not a Talmudic scholar, but I offer this
information: The Talmud consists of two parts–the Mishnah and its
commentary the Gemara. The Mishna was written about 200 CE and was the
first Jewish code of laws since the Torah. There are two Gemaras–the
Babylonian and the Palestinians. The Mishnah plus the Babylonian Gemara
is known as the Babylonian Talmud. The Mishnah plus the Palestinians
Gemara is known as the Palentinian Talmud. The two are never published
togehter.
The Talmuds–written as they were in the early centuries–contain of
superstition, narrowness, folly and intolerance, much as a lot of the
early Christian writings did. It seems a bit malicious to apply modern
standards to a 2000-year-old-document…and even MORE small-minded to
falsify the contents for the purpose of hate-mongering, as Mr. Swift
has.
In the 1950’s, Morris Kominsky investigated “The Talmud Unmasked” by
going to a Hebrew Scholar, Shimeon Brisman, formerly librarian of the LA
Jewish Community Library and bibliographer of Hebraica and Judaica at
the Research Library of UCLA. Here is a smaple of what they found:
>From “Talmud Unmasked”:
“To communicate anything to a goy (gentile) about our
religious relations would be equal to the killing of all
Jews, for if the goyim (gentiles) knew what we teach about
they would kill us openly”-Libbe David 37.”
There is no “Libbe David” in the Talmud or in the entire Jewish
literature according to Mr. Brisman. Possibly the author means the
Latin for “book of David” (also known as Psalms in the Bible?)
“A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim
(gentile) asks if our books contain anything against
them”- Szaaloth Urszabot, the Book of Jore Dia 17″
This is another complete falsification. There is no such
quote in “The Book of Jore Dia 17” and there is no such
book as “Szaaloth Urszbot” according to Shimeon Brisman,
The words “Szaaloth Urszbot” are PART of the title of some 1500 books,
but translated means “responses”.
“The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world
are not human beings but beasts”-Baba Meca 114-6
This is a complete fabrication. Interestingly, Ms Van Hyning originally
printed the number as “114-6” which is an impossible number in the
Talmud. It would have to be 114-a or 114-b.
“A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat
her as he treats a piece of meat”-Nadarine, 20, B;
SchudehanAruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348
This is a falsified version of an actual quote designed to inflame much
as the Klu Klux Klan used to proclaim that black men were out to rape
white women’s nubile bodies. The actual quotation is: “The Rabbis say:
That whatever a man wants to do with his wife he may do; just as he can
prepare meat to suit his fancy.” Quite a difference. But where did
they get the “non-Jewess” part?
“All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish
nation, which, consequently is entitled to seize upon it
without any scruples. An Orthodox Jew is not bound to
observe principals of morality, if profitable to himself or
to Jews in general”-Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348
This is a complete fabrication, as you can easily verify for yourself.
Get a copy of the Talmud and LOOK IT UP.
“On the house of the goy(gentile) one looks as on the fold
of cattle”-Tosefta, Erubin VII, 1.
Another fabrication. Tosefta is not part of the Talmud.
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Doc Tavish wrote:
> Attention all lurkers we must have democracy. The majority must be able
> to practice their religion as they please without the interference of
> the minority. What was good for South Africa as pushed by the liberals,
> let the majority rule, then let us imitate them in principle here. If it
> is good for Israel to have their religion as the dominate one relegating
> Christianity to a secondary status we must not let them tell us to
> remove crosses and the like from the roadside etc. Gentiles must have
> equal footing with Jews. What is good for them must be good for us IF we
> are truly equal.
Speaking as a person raised in the Lutheran faith, I resent your
attempts to speak for me. _I_ don’t want to see Christianity shoved
down the throats of every man woman and child in America and I
especially don’t want to see your ethnocentric, xenophobic version of
Christianity anywhere near me or my kids.
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Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> Let me ask a question- just how many Sara aka perfffects, Joel
> Rosenbergs, delete the spam etc. work for Nizkor or whatever? It seems
> like all of you are on these wavelengths for extraordinary amounts of
> time everyday of the week. How can any of you have regular jobs when you
> are on the computer watching for every “anti-Semite” that could come on
> line? All you do is try to muddy the water and discredit people who do
> not share your views. We can’t hear you or see you and all of you more
> or less use the same line. Which Sara is this number 1, number 2, number
> 3, or number 4. Has anybody else picked up on this MO?
> Doc Tavish
Ha! You just can’t STAND it that there are people in this world who
voluntarily give up their precious free time to stand up against your
petty prothletizing. Even during this busy Christmas season I will
manage to find a few moments to put my 2 cents in: Racism and
anti-Semitism are not tolerated in a healthy society. Your National
Socialism and tyrannical Christianity are not what I want for my family.
>
> The United States was not founded to be an annexed Israeli State. I pray
> that ZOG kills over and dies tonight. Long live the dreams of our
> forefathers.
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Doc Tavish wrote:
> I was rferring to what a certain kike prefers to eat yid! Musch love
> toward you chosen ones! I will not apologize any more to you bastards.
> Doc Tavish Digging in
I thought you weren’t going to use that kind of language around here
anymore. Is that another example of National Socialist integrity? I
find your remarks repulsive and offensive. Take your Nazi propoganda
elsewhere if you can’t control your potty-mouth.
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Doc Tavish wrote:
> ————-
> Joel “he who laughs last laughs best” the world is watching. People are
> noticing how consistently you Jew boys resort to the name calling and
> personal slams.
Calling a person “Jew boy” IS name calling and a personal slam, sir.
I have told many of my E-Mailers that this is nothing
> but the MO of the Kremlin Operative and that this is the only way that
> you all will ever reply. How many Joels are there? I’ve noticed that you
> are on to spit your venom at all times of the day all week long.
First of all, I know Joel and he is only one man. Secondly, usenet posts
appear whenever the ISP forwards them to your local server. It has
nothing to do with when a person to post–it has to do with the ISP.
That means you can’t deduce how much time a person spends on the
internet by when their post show up on the newsgroup.
We
> never hear your voices nor see your faces. Style would be easy to dupe
> when all you do is parrot the same cheap Marxist answers. Remember this
> Joel 1 or Joel 2 or Joel 3 or Joel 4 you all exist among Goliaths and
> you are without a David. I’ve had two college professors E-Mail me last
> night about me making this observation late yesterday and they have said
> some of their colleagues have noticed this too. We all remember Kruschev
> saying: “We will bury you and it will all come from within- without a
> shot being fired.”
Are you saying rebutting anti-Semites is a Commie plot? Oh, honestly!
don’t be silly!
Joel, whichever number, you are proof that this sort
> of stuff may be happening. Do you all have a little Kremlin Computer
> Boiler Room where you sit and react to every post that anyone makes
> critical of socialists? I see it and now I open my E-Mail box and wit
> for it to choke again. Joel you, Sara aka perfffect or Natasha, delete
> the spam are now officially put on notice that we are paying attention
> to you all too. Everybody just watch these aliens react to all the posts
> and how consistent they are. You are witnessing your freedoms of speech
> and discussion being subverted.
Aliens? Sara and Joel are American citizens. You are not. Who is the
alien?
>
> The Soviet system always assassinates the persons character. Just watch
> each one of these characters and you will see that they never change
> their MO.
>
The Soviet system! Silly, silly, silly. You see Communists under every
bed!
> Doc Tavish in the vanguard.
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Marc Lemire wrote:
>
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> http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom
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Mr Lemire, I recently read your affidavit on the Zundel site in which
you tell of breaking into the KLANWATCH answering machine, intercepting
phone numbers and harrassing people who called there for information.
How do you resolve this act with your current ‘freedom’ stance? The two
seem mutually exclusive to me.
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Inveigh the kenneth wrote:
>
> I have to admit this took a while but here is the final scoop.
>
> This YFE who complains about his family being harrassed is not
> married. He has no family. Besides that, he is not even jewish.
>
> The folks in Allentown know him as one who is constantly moaning
> about his lost family in the Holocaust. Yet they know that his family
> has been in the area for over a century.
>
> His mother, deceased, was a Quaker. She married Amish and remained
> with the community while Yale left it at 15. Yale was baptised at 12
> and took the given name Ezra.
>
> His father is still alive but refuses to speak with him, having
> disowned him for leaving the commuinity under as yet undiscovered
> circumstances.
>
> Beyond that, more to be reported as the information comes in.
> Remember, holohuggers, this is your YFE whom you know and love.
>
You mean Yale’s lovely wife does not exist? Hmmm–then you was it I had
that lovely brunch with this summer? The caviar and sushi were fine but
we especially liked the fresh oysters!
>
HA!
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Article: 40260 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Annie Alpert
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Subject: Re: 961213: repost ZGram Dec13
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:43:22 -0500
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Doc Tavish wrote:
> ————-
> Joel “he who laughs last laughs best” the world is watching. People are
> noticing how consistently you Jew boys resort to the name calling and
> personal slams.
Calling a person “Jew boy” IS name calling and a personal slam, sir.
I have told many of my E-Mailers that this is nothing
> but the MO of the Kremlin Operative and that this is the only way that
> you all will ever reply. How many Joels are there? I’ve noticed that you
> are on to spit your venom at all times of the day all week long.
First of all, I know Joel and he is only one man. Secondly, usenet posts
appear whenever the ISP forwards them to your local server. It has
nothing to do with when a person to post–it has to do with the ISP.
That means you can’t deduce how much time a person spends on the
internet by when their post show up on the newsgroup.
We
> never hear your voices nor see your faces. Style would be easy to dupe
> when all you do is parrot the same cheap Marxist answers. Remember this
> Joel 1 or Joel 2 or Joel 3 or Joel 4 you all exist among Goliaths and
> you are without a David. I’ve had two college professors E-Mail me last
> night about me making this observation late yesterday and they have said
> some of their colleagues have noticed this too. We all remember Kruschev
> saying: “We will bury you and it will all come from within- without a
> shot being fired.”
Are you saying rebutting anti-Semites is a Commie plot? Oh, honestly!
don’t be silly!
Joel, whichever number, you are proof that this sort
> of stuff may be happening. Do you all have a little Kremlin Computer
> Boiler Room where you sit and react to every post that anyone makes
> critical of socialists? I see it and now I open my E-Mail box and wit
> for it to choke again. Joel you, Sara aka perfffect or Natasha, delete
> the spam are now officially put on notice that we are paying attention
> to you all too. Everybody just watch these aliens react to all the posts
> and how consistent they are. You are witnessing your freedoms of speech
> and discussion being subverted.
Aliens? Sara and Joel are American citizens. You are not. Who is the
alien?
>
> The Soviet system always assassinates the persons character. Just watch
> each one of these characters and you will see that they never change
> their MO.
>
The Soviet system! Silly, silly, silly. You see Communists under every
bed!
> Doc Tavish in the vanguard.
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From: Annie Alpert
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Doc Tavish wrote:
> ————-
> Joel “he who laughs last laughs best” the world is watching. People are
> noticing how consistently you Jew boys resort to the name calling and
> personal slams.
Calling a person “Jew boy” IS name calling and a personal slam, sir.
I have told many of my E-Mailers that this is nothing
> but the MO of the Kremlin Operative and that this is the only way that
> you all will ever reply. How many Joels are there? I’ve noticed that you
> are on to spit your venom at all times of the day all week long.
First of all, I know Joel and he is only one man. Secondly, usenet posts
appear whenever the ISP forwards them to your local server. It has
nothing to do with when a person to post–it has to do with the ISP.
That means you can’t deduce how much time a person spends on the
internet by when their post show up on the newsgroup.
We
> never hear your voices nor see your faces. Style would be easy to dupe
> when all you do is parrot the same cheap Marxist answers. Remember this
> Joel 1 or Joel 2 or Joel 3 or Joel 4 you all exist among Goliaths and
> you are without a David. I’ve had two college professors E-Mail me last
> night about me making this observation late yesterday and they have said
> some of their colleagues have noticed this too. We all remember Kruschev
> saying: “We will bury you and it will all come from within- without a
> shot being fired.”
Are you saying rebutting anti-Semites is a Commie plot? Oh, honestly!
don’t be silly!
Joel, whichever number, you are proof that this sort
> of stuff may be happening. Do you all have a little Kremlin Computer
> Boiler Room where you sit and react to every post that anyone makes
> critical of socialists? I see it and now I open my E-Mail box and wit
> for it to choke again. Joel you, Sara aka perfffect or Natasha, delete
> the spam are now officially put on notice that we are paying attention
> to you all too. Everybody just watch these aliens react to all the posts
> and how consistent they are. You are witnessing your freedoms of speech
> and discussion being subverted.
Aliens? Sara and Joel are American citizens. You are not. Who is the
alien?
>
> The Soviet system always assassinates the persons character. Just watch
> each one of these characters and you will see that they never change
> their MO.
>
The Soviet system! Silly, silly, silly. You see Communists under every
bed!
> Doc Tavish in the vanguard.
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From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:12 PST 1996
Article: 89223 of alt.revisionism
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From: Annie Alpert
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Letter About The Holocaust by Ken Blewitt
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:26:04 -0500
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Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> Doc Tavish follows thru on a promise he made to a correspondent. Mr.
> Blewitt asked that I post this for him because of some software
> difficulties he is having. I always seek to follow through on what I
> promise so here it is:
>
snip
Who is “Ken Blewitt” and why should anyone here care what he thinks?
Why waste bandwidth with this stuff, Doc? You “Blewitt”
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From [email protected] Sat Dec 28 09:13:51 PST 1996
Article: 89530 of alt.revisionism
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From: Annie Alpert
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Yoo hoo, Mike Stein: Care to add up the Holocaust 6 Million Please?
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:23:13 -0500
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To: Kurt Stele
Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> Mike Stein has repeatedly claimed that despite a 3 million person
> reduction in the Auschwitz number of Jews allegedly killed, this does
> not affect the total number of the sacred 6 million.
>
> Mr. Stein, please add up the figures. Show the world how the 6
> million number is true. I’m waiting…
>
Kurt, this has been posted many times before–perhaps you’d like to
review this info again and comment?
Appendix Table B2 from Raul Hilberg’s “Destruction of
European Jewry” Vol III, p1220:
DEATHS BY COUNTRY
Poland up to 3,000,000
USSR over 700,000
Romania 270,000
Czechoslovakia 260,000
Hungary over 180,000
Lithuania up to 130,000
Germany over 120,000
Netherlands over 100,000
France 75,000
Latvia 70,000
Yugoslavia 60,000
Greece 60,000
Austria over 50,000
Belgium 24,000
Italy (including Rhodes)
9,000
Estonia 2,000
Norway under 1,000
Luxemborg under 1,000
Danzig under 1,000
____________________________
Total 5,100,000
NOTE: Borders refer to 1937. Converts to Christianity are
included and refugees are counted with the countries from
which they were deported
Table B3
DEATHS BY YEAR
1933-1940 under 100,000
1941 1,100,000
1942 2,700,000
1943 500,000
1944 600,000
1945 100,000
______________
Total 5,100,000
Note Rounded to nearest 100,000
For a good accounting of the numbers killed, refer to appendix III of
Raul Hilberg’s “The Destruction of the European Jews”:
STATISTICAL RECAPITULATION OF JEWISH DEAD
(by operation)
Area of mobile killing operations: 1,400,000
tabulated dead (900,000)
untabulated dead (500,000)=
unreported by Einsatzgruppen (150,000?)
Higher SS and police leaders and BdS GG (100,000)
Army killings, PW killings and operations by
anti-partisan units (100,000)
Ghetto dead (100,000)
death of fleeing Jews (50,000?)
Area of deportations: 3,700,000
Killed in camps (including Transnistria) (3,000,000)
ghetto and aggravated deaths (700,000)
TOTAL >5,100,000
NOTE: Recent developments in the former USSR have uncovered more data,
which, I have heard, indicates that these figures are under-calculated
by 250,000-500,000.
No matter how you count it, it appears that 5-6 million Jews
disappeared fromt he face of the earth between 1935-1945.
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From [email protected] Mon Dec 30 13:41:50 PST 1996
Article: 90023 of alt.revisionism
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From: Annie Alpert
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Subject: Re: Letter About The Holocaust by Ken Blewitt
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:03:11 -0500
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Doc Tavish wrote:
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> Man, all of you have Matt Giwer on the brain. Blewitt is Blewitt- is
> everybody Matt Giwer? I am serious. Annie Alpert of Nizkor said I (Doc
> Tavish) was Blewitt and you say Blewitt is Giwer- therefore Doc Tavish
> is Giwer too! (Ursus settle down don’t dis me on this important fact
> finding mission.)
Mr. Tavish, may I respectfully offer that you, sir, have “Doc Tavish on
the brain?
I sure don’t recollect saying that you ‘were’ or even attempted to
portray yourself as Mr. Blewitt. I did say that posting Mr. Blewitt’s
opus here was a pain since I had no idea who he was.
Might I also suggest that your incessant crowing about your prowess is
getting a bit tiresome? If you have some factual information to
present about the Holocaust, let’s get down to it. If all you want to
do is engage in a flame war, I suggest you find another forum for it.
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From: Annie Alpert
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Subject: Re: Ultimate Responsibility
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tom moran wrote:
>
> This is a repost.
>
>
> “Know ye not history and you are doomed to repeat it.”
>
Tom–your opus here begins with a error of quotation. The quote you
(actually, the true, uncredited author of the piece) present here is by
Geeorges Santanya and the actual quotation is:
“Those who do not remember the past are condemmed to repeat it.”
No “ye”s, you’ll notice.
If your article starts out with such a glaring blooper, how do you
expect anyone to take the rest of it seriously? Honestly! Why waste
our time with this?
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