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Alpert 1096, Alpert Annie

Tom Moran wrote:
>
> >This speech was given by Stephanie Brumlik in 1990 at a Duke University> >rally:
> >
> > Revisionism in Review
> >
> > This last week an ad appeared in the “Chronicle.” It was bought
> >and paid for by Bradley Smith of the Committee for Open Debate on the
> >Holocaust. It is an outright denial of the realities of the Holocaust.
> >How do we know what the reality is? The Holocaust is probably the best> >documented event of recent history.
If you doubt that, just call the> >National Archives in Washington, D.C. and ask for a copy of their
> >catalog on the captured Nazi documents! At best, the ad is filled with> >half-truths. I want to briefly review
it with you. I won’t be able to> >expose all the half-truths and lies in the time allotted but I hope to> >be able
to show you the technique that was used.
>
> Annie, now that you got that raving facsimile of Debra Lipstadts> approach to proving the Holocaust
is true, maybe you can address some> of the post out here that challenges it.
> Now Annie, don’t go focusing on whatever you think you can
> contend with and carry on little chit chats in threads, come on out
> and do the real thing.
> Tom Moran

Sure, Tom–I’d be happy to. . .If I knew what the heck you’re talking
about.

If I missed a post where you challenged something, please repost it.
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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THE MASSACRE OF THE CHILDREN OF BYELAYA TSERKOV

“Byelaya Tserkov (Bialacerkiew) is a Ukranian village, 70 km from Kiev.
In August 1941 the Feldkommodant of the Byelaya Tserkov requested the
intervention of Sonderkommando (SK) 4a (Einsatzgruppe) to kill its
Jewish inhabitants. The extermination orders were received by a unit
(Teilkommando) of SK 4a which was under the command of
SS_Obersturmfuhrer August Hafner. The unit consisted of regular members
of SK 4a and a platoon from 3rd Company, SS Special Operations Battalion
(Waffen-SS) under the command of SS-Oberscharfuhrer Jager. Between 8
and 19 August the Waffe-SS Platoon–with the help of the Ukranian
militia–executed several hundred Jewish men and women by firing squad.
Scene of the crime: a rifle-range near the barracks.
“The children of those murdered were initially locked up in a
building on the edge of the village. On the evening of 19 August some of
the children were transported in three full lorry-loads to the
rifle-range and killed there. Some 90 children were kept back in
wretched conditions. The following day, 20 August, the Catholic
Military Chaplain, Ernst Tewes and his Protestant colleague, Gerhardt
Wilczek, were having lunch together in the mess. Both were soldiers of
officer rank. A distraught non-commissioned officer came and pleaded
with Tewes (who was ordained a bishop after the war) to take ‘remedial
action’.
“The military chaplains visited the children and informed the
divisional chaplain of 295th Infantry Division (ID) who was in the area
for a few days. Then the Catholic divisional chaplain, Dr. Ruess (who
was ordained Bishop in Mainz after the war) and his Protestant colleague
Kornmann (presumed dead), together with Tewes and Wilczek, visited the
awful scene. In the afternoon divisional chaplains Dr. Ruess and
Kornmann reported to the Generalstabsoffizier of the division, Lt.
Colonel Helmuth Groscurth (killed in action) on their visit.” [Klee,
Dressen, Riess p. 138]
Report after report can be read:
From Military Chaplain, Dr Ruess to Lieutenant-Colonel Groscurth, 1st
Generalstabsoffizier, 295th Infantry Division: “. . . In the courtyard
in front of the house the crying and whimpering of the children could be
heard very loudly. Outside there were a Ukranian militiaman keeping
guard with a rifle, a number of German soldiers and several young
Ukranian girls. We immediately entered the house unobstructed and in
two rooms found some ninety (I counted them) children aged form a few
months to five, six or seven years old. There was no kind of supervision
by the Wehrmacht of other German authorities.” [Klee, Dressen, Riess p.
142]
“. . .The children lay or sat on the floor which was covered in their
feces…the stench was terrible. The small children, especially those
that were only a few months old, were crying and whimpering
continuously. . .), [Klee, Dressen, Riess p. 142].
From Wehrmachtoberpfarrer Kornmann: “. . . I went to the house in
question and saw the children lying and sitting about in two small
rooms. They were partly lying in their own filth, there was not a
single drop of drinking water and the children were suffering greatly
due to the heat… [Klee, Dressen, Riess p. 144] . . . As I considered
it highly undesirable that such things should take place in full view of
the public eye, I hereby submit this report.” [ibid]
From Groscurth to C-in-C Sixth Army, Field Marshall von Reichenau: “I
then requested that the area around the house be sealed off so that the
troops would have no possibility whatsoever of seeing what was happening
inside. . .” ) [Klee, Dressen, Riess p. 146}. . . When we discussed what
further measures should be taken the Standartenfuhrer declared that the
Herr Oberbefehlshaber recognized the necessity of eliminating the
children and wished to be informed once this had been carried out. . . ”
[Klee, Dressen, Riess p. 149]
Report by military chaplains Tewes and Wilczek on how they tried
unsuccessfully to talk to the senior officer and why they did nothing to
feed the children (It was not that we wanted to protect our own lives.
It was also not the case that if someone had refused to carry out and
order he would have immediately been put against the wall. . .” [Klee,
Dressen, Riess p. 150]
Memo by von Reichenau: “. . . It would have been better if the report
[by Groscruth] had never been written.” [Klee, Dressen, Riess p. 153]
Finally a statement by SS-Obersturmfuhrer August Hafner on the killing
of the children: “…Then Blobel [his superior] ordered me to have the
children executed . . . .The children were taken down from the tractor.
They were lined up along the top of the grave and shot so that they fell
into it. The wailing was indescribable. I shall never forget the scene
throughout my life. I find it very hard to bear. I particularly
remember a small fair-haired girl who took me by the hand. She too was
shot later. . . Many children were hit 4 or 5 times before they died.”
[Klee, Dressen, Riess p. 154]

WORK CITED:

“The Good Old Days: The Holocaust as seen by its perpetrators and
bystanders,” Ernst Klee, Willi Dressen and Volker Riess editors; New
York; The Free Press 1988. ISBN 0-72-917425-2

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:04 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: CREMATORY EXPERT SAYS HOLOCAUST FIGURES LUDICROUS
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Jeffrey wrote:
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> The following extract is just part of the testimony of Ivan Lagace, “a
> funeral director and crematorium manager and operator from Calgary,
> Alberta. Lagace has disposed of more than 10,000 bodies since 1976, and
> cremated more than 1000 since 1984. He has handled victims of fire,
> accident, and disease, and has seen every stage of bodily
> decomposition.”
>
Ridiculous. Modern funeral parlor techniques have no bearing on WWII
crematoria methods. Caskets, embalming fluid, fuel types and time
restrictions all change the chemistry completely.

This is a waste of time.
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:05 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: THE WAR OF NUMBERS
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Judith Toth wrote:
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> A FREE DONATION FOR THE ENRICHMENT
> OF THE ARCHIVES OF THE NIZKOR PROJECT
>
> According to the politically correct Zionist organizations, “the
> symbolical number of 6 million Jews perished in WW II is a proven
> historical fact” and nobody should even dare to have any doubts or
> questions about it, … indeed Dr. Chaim Weizmann (president of
> Israel in 1948) president of the World Zionist Organization on
> November 25th, 1936 declared the “6 million” number to be symbolic of
> the Jewish destiny. [Source: Chaim Weizmann: Reden und Aufsatze
> 1901-1936. jud. Bucherverlag Erwin Lowe, Berlin 1937)

Jutdit–you didn’t actually READ the article you’re discussing, did
you? If you had you’d see that this is a plea for help to feed starving
people in Europe. Remember Europe in 1919? After WWI LOTS of people
were starving then. Mr. Glynn says nothing about a number being
‘symbolic of Jewish destiny’.

Just so you know what you’re REALLY talking aobut, here’s the article:

The American Hebrew, October 31, 1919, page 582:

THE CRUCIFIXION OF JEWS MUST STOP!
By MARTIN H. GLYNN
(Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)

“From across the sea SIX MILLION men and women call to us for
help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.

[…] “These children, these men and women are our FELLOW-MEMBERS
OF THE HUMAN FAMILY, with the same claim on life as we, the same
susceptibility to the winter’s cold, the same PROPENSITY TO DEATH
before the fangs of hunger. Within them reside the illimitable
possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally
would reside in SIX MILLION human beings. WE MAY NOT BE THEIR
KEEPERS BUT WE OUGHT TO BE THEIR HELPERS.”

[…] “IN THE FACE OF DEATH, IN THE THROES OF STARVATION there is
no place for mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical
differences of race. In this catastrophy, when SIX MILLION HUMAN
BEINGS are being WHIRLED TOWARD THE GRAVE by a CRUEL AND RELENTLESS
FATE, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should
sway the heart and move the hand.

“SIX MILLION MEN AND WOMEN ARE DYING from lack of the necessaries
of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And THIS
FATE is upon them through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, through no
transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful
tyranny of war and a BIGOTED LUST FOR JEWISH BLOOD.

“In this THREATENED HOLOCAUST OF HUMAN LIFE, forgotten are the
niceties of philosophical distinction, forgotten are the
differences of historical interpretation; and the determination to
help the helpless, to shelter the homeless, to clothe the naked and
to feed the hungry becomes a religion at whose altar men of every
race can worship and women of every creed can kneel…”

> According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia published in 1990 by the Yad
> Vashem Institute in Jerusalem under the direction of Professor Izrael
> Gutman “5,5 – 5,8 million Jews perished during WW II.”
> THE AMERICAN HEBREW in its October 31st, 1919 issue Martin H. Glynn
> ex-Governor of New York State wrote “The Crucifixtion of Jews Must
> Stop!” [Yes, you read it well: as early as in 1919 they talk about
> the murder of “6 million Jews” when according to official sources
> the number of European Jewry was 11 million !]
>

Well, gee–I guess only HALF of them were starving to DEATH, huh?

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 16:51:44 PDT 1996
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AnnDaltyn wrote:
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> I would like to add to this thread the announcement that there is another> great source for this information.
It is in David Irving’s new book> “Nuremberg, The Last Battle”. First published in German and serialized by>
Welt am Sontag, this book is now at last available in English, greatly> expanded, making use of the private
diaries of both judges and defendants> at the Trail of the Century. Including many exclusive color photographs of>
the trial, published here for the first time.

Ms Daltyn, are you an employee of Mr. Irving or Focal Point books?

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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: COKE SUPPLIED TO AUSCHWITZ DISPROVES HOLOCAUST LIE
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Jeffrey wrote:
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> “the Soviet archive documents reveal that the total coke consumption of
> the crematories in the Auschwitz camp from start to finish was 2,188
> tonnes.
>
> CREMATORIUM I: TONS OF COKE
>
> Nov. 1, 1940 – Feb 28, 1941: 41.6
> Mar. 1, 1941 – Oct 31, 1941: 166.4
> Nov. 1, 1941 – Jan 31, 1942: 93.6
> Feb. 16, 1942 – Feb 28, 1943: 395.5
> CREMATORIA I-V:
> Mar 15 – Oct. 31,1943: 568
> Crematoria II-III
> Jan 1, 1943-Nov 27, 1944 923
> total 2,188 tons
>
> Even if we reduce the amount of fuel needed per cadaver to thirty-five
> kilo-grammes, this still yields a maximum figure of around 62,500
> cadavers handled by the Auschwitz crematories, which is remarkably close
> to the figure already calculated by those of Pressac’s former
> revisionist buddies who were able to do the simple sums needed to
> establish the maximum number of bodies that the known number of
> crematory ovens could have handled during the three years they were in
> operation.
>

If you post something someone else wrote, it’s a good idea to cite the
true author, kiddo. To do otherwise is plagarism.

Since I know you didn’t write this, it pointless to ask you where you
came up with the out-of-thin-air figure of 35 kg of coke needed to
incinerate a single body. Taking into consideration that the furnaces
were run continuously in each session, is htios an estimate for all
bodies burned of the amount needed to fire up a cold furnace and burn
one body?
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Fruits hate Jews WAS Re: HITLER SAID THE JEWS WERE THE BIG LIARS
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Bannana wrote:

So we have an “apricot” a “pumpkin” and a mis-spelled “bananna” all from
the same CRL Dialup access. What are you, a bunch of fruits?? <G>
>
> In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Charles Don Hall) writes:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Jeffrey <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Hitler and the ‘Big Lie’
> > >It has been repeated so often that virtually no one bothers to challenge
> > >it: Adolf Hitler created and used the “Big Lie,” one of his many evil
> > >techniques. As holds true for so many things we are told, this belief,
> > >too, must be examined to see the underlying truth.
> >
> > I think you’re misunderstanding the claims here. There are two
> > seperate statements involved:
> > – Hitler described and named the “Big Lie” technique. (This
> > isn’t to say that he “created” it; it’s been around for
> > a long time.)
> > – Hitler also used the “Big Lie” technique, frequently and
> > effectively.
> >
> > The text that you quoted supports both of these claims. It
> > shows Hitler describing the technique. It also shows Hitler
> > using the technique, by making the false statement that the
> > Jewish community represents a “race” rather than a religion.
>
> That’s another example of how Jews are addicted to lying.
>
> Jews like to pretend, yes!
>
> > (He apparently suckered a lot of people with that one.
> > Bizarre.)
> >
> > No one is saying that Hitler *admitted* he was using the Big
> > Lie technique. In fact, the Big Lie technique doesn’t work
> > if you admit you’re using it. Think about it!
>
> The lie that race doesn’t exist?

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Jeffrey wrote:
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> Rudolf Hoess
> Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
> important witnesses to the “Holocaust,” if not the most important. His
> affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
> and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.
> It was this affidavit, and his later confirmation of its truthfulness,
> that laid the foundation for and validated the extermination story of
> Auschwitz. His affidavit read, in part: (note 1)

You start out this essay with an erroneous assumption. Using terms like
“often cited as one of the most important witnesses” marks the author of
this piece as a totally bogus ‘researcher’.

Besides, Hoess was a witness for the defense at Nuremburg and he never,
ever recanted his confession–even when he had every opportunity to do
so while writing his autobiography.

Also, it seems to me I’ve read this essay before. Did you write it? If
you didn’t you should credit the author.

rest snipped for brevity
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[email protected] wrote:
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> > [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>
> (Irrelevant drivel)
> >
> >>>>
> But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
> was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
> of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
> one for a while.

You’re trying to change the subject (one wich YOU brought up, I may
remind you) from your silly illogical claim that since ALL Jews were not
murdered there was no attempt to murder ALL Jews. Obviously you are
ashamed to admit you blew it.
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Subject: Re: What is Holocaust denial?
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tom moran wrote:
>
> >This speech was given by Stephanie Brumlik in 1990 at a Duke University
> >rally:
> >
> > Revisionism in Review
> >
> > This last week an ad appeared in the “Chronicle.” It was bought
> >and paid for by Bradley Smith of the Committee for Open Debate on the
> >Holocaust.
> > It is an outright denial of the realities of the Holocaust.
>
> —
> >How do we know what the reality is? The Holocaust is probably the best
> >documented event of recent history.
>
> Here Annie ask how do we know the reality and then gives her idea
> of presenting the evidence.
> —
>
Actually, Tom–I didn’t write this speech. As I clearly said at the top
of my note, it was written by Stephanie Brumlik and delivered at a
student rally ar Duke University. Students held the rally to express
concern for Bradly Smith’s attempt to prothletize Holocaust denial on
campus.

Since it was a speech, she couldn’t cite every source she used for
research, of course.

> > If you doubt that, just call the
> >National Archives in Washington, D.C. and ask for a copy of their
> >catalog on the captured Nazi documents!
>
> Here Annie says all you need is a “list” of documents.
> —-
>
> > At best, the ad is filled with
> >half-truths. I want to briefly review it with you. I won’t be able to
> >expose all the half-truths and lies in the time allotted but I hope to
> >be able to show you the technique that was used.
>
> “Time allotted”? There’s no time allotted. It’s just that Annie
> doesn’t really have what it takes to sell any evidenceit. We can see
> here Annie is going to give us the alleged “technique used” in lieu of
> presenting any evidence for the story.
> —
>
> > The ad makes a big deal about the number killed at Auschwitz. What
> >was Auschwitz? It was a complex of three camps and Auschwitz II or
> >Birkenau was the extermination camp. There were not 4 million
> >slaughtered at Auschwitz. That part is true. However, the ad implies
> >that at one time it was thought that there were. That part is false.
>
> Here Annie says the sky is not blue on a clear day.
> —
>
> >The original figure of 4 million represented the estimate of those
> >murdered at all the Nazi extermination camps.
>
> Here Annie tells us 2 + 2 = 3 and or 5, but not 4.
> —
>
> > Next, we read about the Leutcher Report and are told that this is
> >the first ever forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at
> >Auschwitz. This is not true. At the end of 1945, the Krakow Institute
> >of Judiciary Expertise did a toxicology study of six zinc grids or
> >grills which were part of the ventilation system of the gas chambers.
> >The results indicated the presence of large quantities of hydrocyanic
> >compounds – Zyklon-B.
>
> Annie doesn’t wonder why this report is not touted in the sale
> package of those dependent on the Holocaust.
> —
>
> > But, we are told that Fred Leutcher who prepared
> >the report is the leading American expert in execution hardware. How
> >could he be so wrong? Perhaps part of the explanation is in the fact
> >that he ISN’T an expert in execution hardware. He has never installed a
> >single gas chamber. Two prisons where he stated that he did consult are
> >on record as denying his claim. He has even been criminally charged by
> >the state of Massachusetts with “practicing engineering without a
> >license” and, as part of the out-of-court settlement, he made a public
> >statement admitting that he is not an engineer. Another part of the
> >explanation could be the reported fact that Leutcher was paid in excess
> >of $35,000 to prove there were no gas chambers! Some incentive for his
> >position, huh?
>
> This I don’t know about. Nevertheless, if he did do any tests at
> Auschwitz, then it would be these tests that are relevant or
> irrelevant, not contingent on whether he was paid, or criminally
> charged in Mass. (Was he convicted?)
> —
>
> > We are also told that the Jews in Germany during World War II were
> >thought to be enemies of the state. If this is true then I wish that
> >Bradley Smith would explain to us why Jews among others were selected
> >for
> >sterilization and euthanasia as early as January 1, 1934 – 5 years and 9
> >months BEFORE World War II began!
>
> Annie will have to make a connection here of how any
> sterilization was relevant to the hypothesis that the Jews were
> enemies of the state.
> —
>
> > Mr. Smith also claims that if there
> >were extermination camps, then men such as Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill
> >and Eisenhower would have known. If Mr. Smith thinks that they didn’t,
> >I would strongly recommend that he read: While Six Million Died by
> >Morse, The Abandonment of the Jews by Wyman or The Holocaust Conspiracy
> >by Perl.
>
> Annie forgot Debra Lipstadt’s book, “Beyond Belief”. Annie will
> come out and say the sailors on the USS Liberty deserved what they
> got, but she defends these other books intended to morally intimidate
> the U.S. into acquiescing to Jewish interests.
> —
>
> > So, if what Mr. Smith has stated in his ad is so false, how can he
> >say such things? Maybe he is following the concept that: “[The people]
> >more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they
> >themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were
> >too big.” That is a direct quote from Hitler’s Mein Kampf and appears
> >in the chapter titled: “Moral Disarmament of an Accuser.” But, Mr.
> >Smith is also counting on his readers to not know what really happened
> >or what the “establish Holocaust story” really is to be able to make his
> >case.
>
> Bradely Smith heads a title “Committee for Open Debate on the
> Holocaust”. How more direct can you be? How more out in the open can
> you be? He’s willing to put his mouth were his thoughts are. Annie not
> only defends the methods of those that refuse to accept the challenge,
> but right here mimics and even uses the sources of one of those who
> has backed off taking to the challenge, Ms.Lipstadt herself.
> —
>
> > The best weapon against this is education. Do you know about the
> >Nazi Einsatzgruppen? They killed about 2 million and never came near a
> >gas chamber. Do you know that there were only 6 extermination camps and
> >that none of them was located on what is now German soil? The
> >revisionists are counting on you not to know these things.
>
> When Annie says “education” is the best “weapon” she means one
> sided education, with no dissent permissible.
> When Annie says there were 2 million killed by the
> Einsatzgruppens she thinks this is substantial evidence. When Annie
> says do you know there were only 6 extermination camps and none found
> on German soil, she is reciting what revisionists compelled. For Annie
> to imply revisionist would not want the public to know this is
> idiotic, since they are the ones that who use this as part of their
> material and the Holocaust dependent must respond.
> —
>
> > And, who is this Bradley Smith? Many years ago, if that question
> >had been asked, the answer would have been that he is a bookseller in
> >Los Angeles. However, he gave up that career to devote his full
> >energies into his revisionist activities. Why?
> > In the Los Angeles Free Weekly newspaper on September 16, 1988,
> >Larry Weber interviewed Mr. Smith. From that interview Mr. Smith states
> >his motivation. He said: “I’m here to give historians a little help,
> >because they don’t have enough character to do this for themselves.”
> >However, in the same interview he also said: “I’m not interested in
> >what happened 45 years ago.” If that’s true, it seems as though
> >”helping historians” isn’t his true motivation. Maybe part of the
> >answer comes in his statement regarding the survivors who testified at
> >the Nuremberg Trials. Of them he said: “The Americans picked up these
> >little Zionist entities that were in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union
> >and used them at the Nuremberg Trials.” Little Zionist entities? Does
> >he deny them their humanity?
>
> It is obvious that Annie could not give a direct reply to
> whatever she chose to cite, opting instead to merely say Smith was out
> to “deny them their humanity”. Annie thinks part of Zionist humanity
> is to kill U.S. military personnel and little kids.
> —
>
> > And what of this Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust? It
> >was
> >founded in 1987 with Bradley Smith and Mark Weber as the Committee’s
> >directors. Mr. Weber is a former member of William Pierce’s neo-Nazi
> >National Youth Alliance. However, he seems to be a “silent” director.
> >Mr. Smith is not only the sole active director, he’s also the sole
> >active MEMBER of the Committee. Hmmmm….a committee of one.
> > And who founded the Committee in the first place? It is an
> >extension of the Institute of Historical Review’s Media Project which is
> >headed by Mr. Smith. The Institute of Historical Review or IHR was
> >founded in 1979 and is the primary force in the movement to deny the
> >reality of the Holocaust. They even have their own publishing house
> >called Noontide Press. Their catalog of books is very interesting.
> >Just skimming through titles you’ll find: Our Nordic Race, The Testing
> >of Negro Intelligence, The Fear of the Jews Syndrome in America which is
> >subtitled, Bamboozled Americans and Their Vile Brainwashers and, of
> >course, the perennial favorites: Mein Kampf by Hitler, The
> >International Jew by Henry Ford and The Protocols of the Learned Elders
> >of Zion. In case you don’t know of these latter two works, Noontide’s
> >synopsis
> >of Henry Ford’s reads: “History’s most renowned automaker, America’s
> >most famous industrialist, Henry Ford published these studies on what he
> >called ‘the world’s foremost problem’ between 1920 and 1922. Decide for
> >yourself if Zion is less a problem, or Americans any the wiser, seventy
> >years later.” The Protocols were written by Russian non-Jews as an
> >instrument to incite pogroms. Although this work has been regarded as a
> >”forgery” since the time it was written, Noontide Press speculates that
> >this isn’t true. Of course, you can also find all of the books,
> >pamphlets and magazines which deny the reality of the Holocaust in their
> >catalog, too.
> > Another function of the Institute is the publication of the Journal
> >of Historical Review. What type of publication is this? We only need
> >to review the backgrounds of their editorial assistants to get an idea.
> > There is Arthur Butz who was a featured speaker at the February
> >1985
> >Nation of Islam convention in Chicago organized by Louis Farrakhan. His
> >subject was “International Zionism” but he still managed to include his
> >Holocaust denial thesis.
> > There is Robert Faurisson, a Frenchman, who was convicted in 1983
> >for violation of France’s “racial defamation” law.
> > There is Wilhelm Staeglich, a retired German judge who calls the
> >Holocaust “Zionist atrocity propaganda.” And, how about Friedrich
> >Berg? He lives in New Jersey and tries to mobilize support against
> >teaching the Holocaust in public schools. In a letter to his governor,
> >he referred to such curriculum materials as “filth.”
> > There is Ditlieb Felderer of Sweden. Like Faurisson, Felderer has
> >been convicted in his native country for disseminating hate material.
> >He is known as the source of mailings to leaders of European Jewish
> >communities containing locks of hair and pieces of fat with enclosed
> >letters asking recipients if they could identify the contents as
> >Hungarian Jews gassed in Auschwitz.
> > This gives you a sampling of the “highly respected” editorial
> >assistants that the IHR has for their Journal. And what of the
> >Institute itself? It is the brainchild of Willis A. Carto and the
> >original director of the IHR was the late David McCalden. Mr. McCalden
> >is also known for founding the British National Party, an offshoot of
> >the neo-Nazi National Front which espoused “racial nationalism.” Mr.
> >Carto is the founder and Treasurer of the Liberty Lobby which publishes
> >”The Spotlight.” The Liberty Lobby is an anti-Israel, anti-Zionist
> >lobby. What is Mr. Carto’s world-view? He asserts that Zionists are
> >”predators” who exploit the “guilt” of Western society and “offer us
> >expiation for the sins of our fathers by giving us the magnificent
> >opportunity
> >to contribute to the building of God’s promised land for God’s chosen
> >people with our tax money.” Now we begin to see a glimmer of the
> >long-range goals within revisionism. The revisionists believe that
> >unless the Holocaust can be denied, the existence of Israel can be
> >supported and justified in the eyes of the world. However, if the
> >public can be made to doubt the Holocaust even a little bit, the
> >revisionists believe that support for Israel and the justification for
> >its existence will evaporate. And, they speculate that without support,
> >Israel would be pushed into the sea – a permanent “Final Solution.”
> >That is why they term the Holocaust a “Zionist hoax.”
> > But, the chain doesn’t end with the Liberty Lobby. The tangled
> >spider’s web extends further into all types of anti-Israel, anti-Jewish
> >groups as well as the political party that was founded by Willis Carto –
> >the Populist Party. The Populist Party even put forth a candidate in
> >the 1988 Presidential election. That candidate was none other than
> >David Duke.
> > Some people call the revisionists anti-Semites. If you listened
> >carefully, you noticed that I never did so. All I say is: If it walks
> >like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, guess what? It’s
> >a duck!
>
> So in the end Annie has not produced one single piece of evidence
> to prove the Holocaust is true, instead simply attacking their
> credibility by citing Debra Lipstadt’s material. Material that
> includes allegations that David Irving has a picture of Adolph Hitler
> over his head as he sits at his desk. Will Ms. Lipstadt ever stand to
> account for the contents of her book? Will Annie ever say her heroine
> should be requested to stand to accountability? No.
>
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 10:30:44 PDT 1996
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MICHAEL SMITH wrote:
>
> By the definition of Jew’s that the Nazis used in their attempt
> to exterminate them, they should have done it to old Adolph as well.
> You see, my understanding was he had some Jewish Grandparents or
> Greatgrandparents. He was mostly Austrian, but partially Jewish. I
> wonder what skinheads and neo-nazis will make of this?
>
> Mike

Sorry, not true. Look it up.
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 11:34:02 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific’
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >
> > SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz:
> > [Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
> > Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
> > ——————————————————————-
> > I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
> > of women [from the women’s camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
> >were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
>
> [snip]
>
> excerp from :Did Six Million Really Die?:
> Christie suggested to Hilberg that affidavits
> affidavits such as that of Hans Marsalek appeared to be a very suspect kind of
> evidence.

J-F, what is supposed to be the connection between the testimony of
Doctor Kremer and this other person Marslek who was at a different camp
altogether? Are you trying to change the subject in this thread? If
so, does that mean you accept Kremer’s testimony as proof that homicidal
gassings took place at Birkenau?

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From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 11:34:03 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row’
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:>
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >
> > Willi Mentz testifies about his days in Treblinka
> > [Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
> > Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 245-247]
> > ———————————————————————–
> > When I came to Treblinka the camp commandant was a doctor named Dr. Eberl.> > He was very ambitious.
It was said that he ordered more transports
>
> [snip]
>
> transcript of the Iinternational Military Tribunal proceedings from 30 May,> 1946 where Sauckel,
one of the major accused, testified as follows:
>

What does this have to do with the testimony of Willi Menz (“The Gunman
of Treblinka” who said “It was my job to shoot these people.”)??? Are
you trying to change the subject in this thread? If so, are you
admitting that you cannot refute the testimony of Menz?
> SAUCKEL: I confirm that my signature is appended to this document. I a
> ask the Tribunal’s permission to state how that signature come about. This>
document was presented to me in its finished form. I asked to be allowed to read>
and study this document in my cell in Oberursel and decide whether I could sign> it.
That was denied me. During the conversation an officer was consulted who, I>
was told, belonged to the Polish or Russian army; and it was made clear to me
> that if I hesitated too long in signing this document I would be handed over to
> the Russian authorities. Then this Polish or Russian officer entered and asked,
> “Where is Sauckel’s family? We know Sauckel, of course we will take him with
> us; but his family will have to be taken into Russian territory as well.” I am
> the father of 10 children. I did not stop to consider; and thinking of my
> family, I signed this document. When I returned to my cell, I sent a written message
> to the commandant of the camp and asked permission to talk with him alone on
> this matter. But that was not possible, because shortly afterwards I was brought
> to Nuremberg.
>
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> >
> > > > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > > > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> >
> > > > Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference,
> > since
> > > > I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the
> > > > museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed.
> >
> > > You are showing yourself more the fool every
> > > day. The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million
> > > Jews who allegedly died there. They need not
> > > have mentioned gassing. It was a lie any way
> > > you choose to interpret it. BTW, you may now
> > > add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel,
> > > WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the
> > > Jewish People–and more is on the way. When
> > > you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks…..
> >
> > There was no such placque or series of slabs.
> >
> > This is just another demonstration of how the “revisionists” lie.
> >
> > –YFE
> >
> >>>>
> There most certainly was, and I will be glad to send
> a photocopy to anyone who requests it via e-mail,
> but they must provide a “snail mail” address, along with
> postage to cover cost of photcopying and mail.

No, just type in the inscription exactly as it is on the plaque.
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Just Moshe wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:12:24 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>
> >Yawn…
>
> >>It should be obvious the “Chosen” ones are the most civilized: that should be obvious by
> >>their history of treatment towards Arabs. Have you read the Amnesty report on Israel’s
> >>methods of torturing Palestinians? Why, it is a veritable paragon of civility!
>
> >I’m not going to defend the torture of Palestinians; I won’t take your
> >Jew-bait. As for Arab-Jewish “history,” I suggest you look at
> >Arab-Jewish relations prior to the 20th century. Do you know what the
> >word “Dhimma” means in Arabic?
>
> It can not be a taunt when we must atone for our treatment of our Arab
> neighbors.
>
> Our faults and their faults, neither can claim to be blessed.
>
In the immortal words of Emily Alpert, age 7, who often reads over her
mother’s shoulder: “Ooooh! He’s lieing! He’s a big fat liar!!”

There is no Moshe–just a sadm lonely guy who needed to invent imaginary
friends. At least Emily admits her imaginary friends, Lank, Lank’s
brother, Fritz and Mikey are make-believe.
> =====
> Read the information holohuggers fear
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
> http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
> http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
> http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
> http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
> htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE

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From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 11:34:08 PDT 1996
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tom moran wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:25:29 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
> “Just Moshe”:
> >>> The People have been here since the moment of the creation. We will be
> >>>here after your footprints in the sand have been covered by the Wind.
>
> Moran:
> >> “The moment” of “creation”? Archeological reckoning doesn’t have
> >>the Jews around until maybe 1200 BC. By that time the Egyptians had
> >>been around for two thousands years.
>
> “Just Moshe”:
> > The Book tells us the truth that surpasses understanding.
>
> Moran:
> If it’s beyond understanding, how would you know? If it’s beyond
> understanding, what good does it do. How would one explain something
> beyond understanding?
>
> The book was written when the world was flat.
>
> The book was written when the planets were gods.
>
> The book was written when birds were smashed against altars.
>
> The book was written when Urim and Thummim were tossed to make
> decisions.
>
> The book includes “dragons” and “satyrs”, and a whole slue of
> other associated thoughts.
>
>
Tom, calm down–you were duped by Matt Giwer. There is no “Moshe”.
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 14 08:45:31 PDT 1996
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Milton Kleim wrote:
>
> For T…
>
> Recently personal circumstances have afforded me an unique situation — with
> a level of great happiness and joy which has been so lacking in my life.
> Several times in the past have I loved, and twice before have I been loved
> in return by a special person. This very recent and completely unexpected
> eventuality, however, causes an inner discourse — presents me with an inner
> dilemma — for which there is only one resolution.
>
> I love someone special, and this is for her…and me.
>
> My personal circumstances necessitate this, for withholding it loudly
> pronounces me hypocritical and dishonorable.
>
> I hereby, in totality, withdraw and denounce my most terrible work, the very
> essay which even during my “movement” days visited my heart with chills for
> the unrefined coldness and callous hatred it exhibited.
>
> That essay is _The Abandonment of Beauty: the Beacon of Life_, published
> both on the Web and in _Resistance_, Spring 1996.
>
> No, my personal circumstances do not involve a lady of Jewish background.
> The demented allegations against me that I am “keeping kosher in the
> boudoir” by a certain self-serving, self-appointed “fuhrer” are totally
> untrue; his false allegations reflect harshly only on his unbalanced
> sexuality, not on my affections for women in my life.
>
> I am not making this statement as some sort of preplanned self-promotion in
> accord with the previous nature of some “movement” defectors. I am sincere
> in all I say here; my present situation proceeded from sheer chance —
> Divine Providence? — an “accidental” meeting one night on the Net which has
> begun to blossom into something wonderful. That my new friend “happens to
> be” outside the acceptable racial criteria of the “movement” is irrelevant
> to me. Actually, it is not irrelevant; it is illustrative of the lunacy,
> the insanity which characterizes the “movement.” She is a beautiful young
> woman, speaking of both her internal and external dimensions, and the fact
> she is victimized by this “movement” for her taint bespeaks the denial of
> reality “movement” adherents put forth. That she is more “Aryan” in her
> heart (as we’re told an “Aryan” is by the ideologues of the “movement”) than
> all the leaders of the “movement,” and ironically “more Aryan” in
> appearance, too, than most “movement” adherents, slaps me hard in the face
> with the boldest confrontation of reality — the facts of what Life is about
> — I have yet encountered concerning the “movement” — and why I thank God
> I’m out and free.
>
> I won’t be marrying my friend tomorrow, I won’t be having children with her
> next year, but right now I have a wonderful friendship with a wonderful
> young woman, and I am happy. Her background I care not, though I shall
> proud of it as she is; her intelligence, her wisdom, her considerate
> personality, her sweetness, that matters. Where we go from here I know not
> yet, but whatever path Destiny presents I shall not resist journeying down upon.
>
> God Bless my dear friend, and her little boy, with all of Life’s happiness.
> God help those still in the “movement,” those enslaved to their own crude
> resentments and bitterness, for they are within an arena of ideology and
> groups which God _can never_ Bless. Hence the perpetual failure of the
> “movement” and its inevitable final defeat.
>
> “Here I stand, I can do nothing other.” — Dr. Martin Luther, German Visionary
>
> — Milton John Kleim, Jr.

Gosh, Milton–that’s sweet. Best of luck to both of you. Would I
correct in assuming that you do not consider yourself a racist anymore?
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Kevin VanWieren wrote:
>
> Chris DeNeve <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >MICHAEL SMITH wrote:
> >>
> >> By the definition of Jew’s that the Nazis used in their attempt
> >> to exterminate them, they should have done it to old Adolph as well.
> >> You see, my understanding was he had some Jewish Grandparents or
> >> Greatgrandparents. He was mostly Austrian, but partially Jewish. I
> >> wonder what skinheads and neo-nazis will make of this?
> >>
> >> Mike
>
> >Its not true. Just a rumor.
>
> I’m no expert on the holocaust and/or NAzi Germany, but I DO KNOW that
> in order to be considered a “jew” by Hitler’s standards, you had to
> have 3 consecutive generations of Jew in you to be considered a “full
> Jew”. Hitler’s parents were indeed, not Jewish, but his Mother’s
> father (Adolf’s grandfather), and grandfather (Adolf’s
> great-grandfather) were Jewish. So, according to Hitler’s standards,
> anyone with 1 or 2 generations of Jew were considered “mongrels”, thus
> Hitler was indeed a hypocrite AND a “mongrel”…

Sorry–there is no evidence to support the assertion that Hitler had any
Jewish forebearers at all. Look it up.
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Kurt Stele wrote:

> This does not refute the phenomenon Giwer explained whereby accused’s confess without
> coercion to crimes they did not commit.
>
> Kurt Stele

Yea, and it also does not refute the phenomenon that Giwer created an
onscreen persona named Moshe and put words in his moutht hat he wanted
to hear a Jewish person say–does it????????
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Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] (Nele Abels-Ludwig) wrote:
>
> >*Wow, what a whipping. Pity only that it comes from a neurotic, unemployed
> >drunkard who
> >*is a self-confessed liar and the laughing stock of everbody.
>
> Everybody? Or to other Jews like yourself
>
> >I know. It is sad, isn’t it? And I was going to use the above Giwer gem
> >as a .sig, seeing as how it’s so… uh… earnest. But alas, I wouldn’t
> >want to get the Giwer all excited… excited enough to call me a
> >”FATBROAD” again. I just know he gets all foamy at the mouth and his face
> >gets all red and his hands start shaking when people REPEATEDLY prove him
> >wrong and then laugh at the spectacle he’s made of himself.
>
> I DOUBT it. But he might turn red laughing his ass off at your feeble and idiotic
> attempts to engage him in a serious debate.
>
Serious debate? With Matt Giwer aka Moshe aka EE aka Gord McFee aka ad
infinitum? Surely you jest!

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Daniel Keren wrote:
>
> This newsgroup opened in 1992. That’s 5 years.
>
> So far, no “revisionist” gave any rational explanation
> as to why a “work camp” (Auschwitz-Birknau) needed five
> huge crematoriums, with 52 cremation furnaces.
>
> The claim is often made that they were built to deal with
> corpses from typhus epidemics, but this makes no sense.
>
> No one builds so many crematoriums unless he’s expecting a
> huge number of corpses he’ll have to deal with, over a long
> period of time. The simplest solution to typhus epidemics
> would be to close the camp down, and stop deporting people
> there. Surely, the “revisionist” won’t claim that the SS
> expected such huge numbers of people to die from typhus,
> and yet continued to deport them to the camp?
>
> Is there any document about the typhus epidemics being the
> reason for building the crematoriums? I am not aware of
> one. I am aware of a document that states that they have
> to be completed urgently, because of the “situation caused
> by the special actions”. And “special actions” does not
> mean “typhus epidemics”. It means murder, as the letter from
> SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl, which I posted, proves.
>
> Any answers here? Any “revisionist” know of other “work camps”
> with five huge creatoriums?
>
The solution to a typhus epidemic would have been to build more than one
toilet, for one thing. It might also have helped to fumigate the
prisoners clothing once in a while and give them soap.
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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In message <mvanalst-13[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mark
> Van Alstine)Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:42:55 -0800 writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
> :>McFee) wrote:
> :>
> :>> In message <r[email protected]> –
> :>> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:21:42 -0700
> :>> writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Look who’s back. What, couldn’t scam another free month on AOL ?
> :>>
> :>> No. Giwer has a massive list of ISPs.
> :>
> :>At the rate the gonadotoxic Giwer-eunuch is getting his ass booted from
> :>ISP’s he _needs_ a massive list of them!
>
> You got that right! But don’t forget. The Giwer-liar troll said recently
> that he will soon be his own ISP. Couldn’t be another lie, could it?
>
No–he got it right. ISP–“Insipid Social Parasite”

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:31 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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Just Moshe wrote:
>
> On 13 Oct 1996 22:43:10 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >
> >> The People have been here since the moment of the creation. We will
> >be
> >> >here after your footprints in the sand have been covered by the Wind.
> >
> >> Where “Just Moshe” says “we will be here …”, it won’t be him.
> >> He won’t know nothin about any future Jews and they won’t nothin about
> >> him. He’ll be long gone.
> >
> >> For the time being, “Just Moshe” will just be another
> >> ethnocentrically insane person, clinging to a security blanket that
> >> will guarantee nothing, only giving him an idiotic and puffed up ego,
> >> that tells him he is something he’s not. An ego founded on dogmatic
> >> lies.
>
> > Poor l’il tommy. Can’t even figure out who he is talking about.
>
> Everyone was TOLD who they were talking to before these were posted.
>
> Thus spake Just Moshe.

Excuse me? Who was told to whom they were speaking? You (Matt Giwer)
are posing as someone named Moshe. You never said “Hey, I’m pretending
to me Moshe”.

Grow up and take a bath.

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:32 PDT 1996
Article: 74452 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>
> >>[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>
> >>> Burg, of course, was never in Auschwitz, or Treblinka, or Belzec, or
> >>>Sobibor.
> >>
> >>Burg visited there. Read the transcript. He saw gassing used: to kill lice.
>
> >Read the transcript. Joseph Burg visited Auschwitz after the war and
> >didn’t see poison gas used for anything.
>
> >Ain’t the sharpest tack in the box, are you?
>
> Dumb-ass read below. He did visit Auschwitz. He never saw ANY gas chambers at Auschwitz.>
In the camp Maindenak that used gas, he saw it used for delousing, not gassing:
>
> Christie: When you visited Auschwitz in the fall of 1945, did you
> specifically look for gas chambers?
>
> Yes, said Burg, “although at that time gassings were not in fashion. Not> yet. But I did look for them.
I searched for them and I didn’t find
> anything.”
>

——————————

Hey, Brainiac! In 1945, after the war, the gas chambers at Birkenau
(although you say Burg said Auschwitz, which is another place
altogether) were destroyed. Of course he didn’t see anything. He’s not
a witness. This is a load of tripe.
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:32 PDT 1996
Article: 74453 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Happy “Columbus Was a Jew” Day
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Charles R.L. Power wrote:
>
> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> > Thats right. This is one of the ethnocentric claims by Jews.
> >Without one single piece of evidence, with nothing more than super
> >racist egos, the Jews proclaim “Columbus was a Jew”.
>
> Simon Wiesenthal argued the case in one book. I don’t know that many
> Jews take him seriously. If you don’t think he had any basis, read the
> book first. Oh, I forgot, reading a book is beyond the ability of Moron.

The story is that Columbus’ parents (or was it grandparents?) were
forcibly converted from Judasim to Catholicism during the Spanish
Inquisition.
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:33 PDT 1996
Article: 74454 of alt.revisionism
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Just Moshe Speaks
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Just Moshe wrote:
>
> For the holohuggers, everyone who has replied to Just Moshe was emailed as> about Just Moshe before
they replied.
>
> Is there a problem with holding conversation with a handle?

Liar! I received NO email from or about your made-up alter-ego. And
YES there is a problem with holding a conversation with a ‘handle’ if
the intention was to deceive.

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 14:58:45 PDT 1996
Article: 74541 of alt.revisionism
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
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Rack Jite wrote:
>
> Comes Rack Jite’s conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) was saying…
>
> *Rather than play your game I will observe you are a professional jew
> *victim as well as a traitor.
> *=====
> *Read the information holohuggers fear
> *http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
> *http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
> *http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian
> *Security
> *http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
>
> Gosh, you know it seems like just yesterday I was calling you a liar,
> an anti-semite and a nazi sympathizer (gosh its really been almost 10
> years now). And when I did make such accusations against both you and
> that Al Gentile character, your netscab little pal Alec Grynspan came to
> your defense and after me with his lies, libel, investigations and
> threats, finally managing to have me and most anyone who agreed with me
> thrown off Smartnet. My how things have changed! Even you have allowed
> your petty hatreds and abject bigotry push ever further into the mire of
> hate mongering anti-semitism.
> You still suing me? Or is your game still just the same as Grynspans,
> splashing user addresses around?
> —
You’ve known Giwer that long? WOW! You should get a medal for bravery
in the trenches! <G>
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 17:18:33 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: About Aerial Photos
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> Most of us have viewed the so-called aerial photos (renderings) and
> IHHO it’s a waste of time for the following reasons:
>
> None of us, as far as I know have either the equipment nor the needed
> expertise to interpret genuine aerial photos. Even the best equipment
> needs experts to read and understand what they “believe” the photos
> show them.
> A case in point: a short personal experience: In early 1945, still
> winter and cold, miserable weather, a photo squadron from the Ninth
> Air Force, flying specially equipted P-38 Fighter planes, turned up
> some funny marks on the German Autobauhn. The photo lab had not seen
> these black marks before, so the photo planes were sent out to run
> miles of the German Freeways. As the photo crews worked trying to
> figure out what these short black marks were in the concrete, usually
> near wooded areas and usually with four or five thousand feet of
> fairly straight road, they decided that the marks appeared to be just
> like the black streaks made by airplane tires upon landing.
> The result of these experts making this interpretation, lead our
> commading officers to send a full squadron of B-26 Medium Bombers, 16
> airplanes with six tons of HE bombs each, escorted by a full squadron
> of P-47 Fighter Bombers, 16 airplanes each with two 1,000 HE bombs,
> and 3500 rounds of .50 caliber ammunition. The bombers dropped their
> bombs all along the areas where the marks had appeared, blowing up
> many sites where the Germans had hidden their Jets ME-262s, and had
> been using the Autobauhn as a runway. Flying a P-47, I followed my
> flight-leader and the 16 fighter-bombers strafed and bombed deeper
> into the woods. We set many fires, blew up many fuel dumps and
> destroyed a number of valuable enemy aircraft. All this because our
> photos were good, the readers were good, and we were able to put it
> all together.
> So when people like some of those who question aerial photos of
> Auschwitz, and try to use what they think they see to make decisions
> of what happened there, or when something happened there, or this
> shadow means this, that black mark means that, they really aren’t
> qualified to interpret what they believe the see. Then for the
> deniers, Moran and others to try and persuade others that the photos
> tell them something is simply fallacious.
>
> Chuck Ferree

Not only that, but this guy Ball made drawings of the original photos
and colored them in like a coloring book–so what we are looking at is
HIS interpretation of what’s in the photos. Completely bogus.
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 17:18:34 PDT 1996
Article: 74565 of alt.revisionism
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Keep up the good work!!!
>
> Hopefully more and more of the questioning public will read the truth
> published by your network, instead of the lies of the holohoaxers.
>

Truth? What truth are oyu talking about? The ‘truth’ that a Russian
Jew named Markov Petrolka is giving Mark Pheonix web space (lie)? Ha!
What a load of crap!
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From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 20:41:39 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Happy “Columbus Was a Jew” Day
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Keith Morrison wrote:
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> Annie Alpert, OFB wrote:
> >
> > Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> > >
> > > [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> > >
> > > > Thats right. This is one of the ethnocentric claims by Jews.
> > > >Without one single piece of evidence, with nothing more than super
> > > >racist egos, the Jews proclaim “Columbus was a Jew”.
> > >
> > > Simon Wiesenthal argued the case in one book. I don’t know that many
> > > Jews take him seriously. If you don’t think he had any basis, read the
> > > book first. Oh, I forgot, reading a book is beyond the ability of Moron.
> >
> > The story is that Columbus’ parents (or was it grandparents?) were
> > forcibly converted from Judasim to Catholicism during the Spanish
> > Inquisition.
>
> Given that he was Italian I tend to doubt they faced the Spanish Inquisition.
>
> (Ohmigod! Holohugging ZOG-agents disagreeing! The world is about to end!)
>
No–his family was originally from Spain–I read a biography of Columbus
a couple of years ago. It was considered controversial at the time. I
lost interest in Columbus as a hero, though, when I found out he brought
Carribeans back to Spain as slaves!

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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:14:07 PDT 1996
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, “Annie Alpert, OFB”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> *Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> *> I DOUBT it. But he might turn red laughing his ass off at your feeble
> and idiotic
> *> attempts to engage him in a serious debate.
> *>
> *Serious debate? With Matt Giwer aka Moshe aka EE aka Gord McFee aka ad
> *infinitum? Surely you jest!
>
> Oh, Annie. Isn’t it cute how they try to pump themselves up like that?
> Just like small, demented school children, really. It’s so cute that
> “Kurt” thinks ANYONE would try to engage Giwer or any of the Giwer wannabe
> robots (like “Kurt” himself, for instance) in any kind of debate. See,
> the cutest part about this whole denying an absolute fact like the
> Holocaust is that these little robots come in to discussions and try to
> stir things up with their uninformed, uneducated, ignorant,
> not-even-well-thought-out lies about a fact like the Holocaust. It’s so
> sad and pathetic, really, that they need to try to make themselves feel
> better by claiming that others attempt to engage the robots into debate.
> All we’re doing is giving them exceptionally well-documented facts to
> answer their ridiculous lies, and they think the issue is up for debate.> How pathetic that these little
robot children have nothing better to do> with their time then to foam at the mouth and claim an absolutely>
proveable, extremely well-documented, eye-witness supported fact never> happened.

My personal theory is that these kind of guys tend to have
extraordinarily small penises (or think they do) which cripples their
emotional growth. Because they’re afraid to meet live women, (because
they’re afraid their little weenies will be laughed at) they choose to
grow big cyber-penises. Kind of sad, really.

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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:28:52 PDT 1996
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Eugenia Horne wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Fatbroad! (OFB) <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In loving memory of Stephanie Brumlik
> >
> > “THE ‘STATE’ OF IDAHO: THE CASE FOR OPEN DEBATE
>
> [snip…what was THAT all about?]
>
> http://www.state.id.us
>
> [The State of Idaho home page. “Debate” over.]
> —
Obviously (she said, her keyboard dripping with sarcasm) this so-called
home page (or should I say HOAX page) is merely a trick by special
interest groups to garner an unfair share of our federal tax money.
It’s put together and maintained by the “Information
Technology Division of the Department of Administration.” No mention of
IDAHO, even–just a generic mythical “Department”.
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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:41:37 PDT 1996
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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:41:38 PDT 1996
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Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Hey, Brainiac! In 1945, after the war, the gas chambers at Birkenau
> >(although you say Burg said Auschwitz, which is another place
> >altogether) were destroyed. Of course he didn’t see anything. He’s not
> >a witness. This is a load of tripe.
>
> Christie: And what were these gas chambers in Maidanek?
>
> Burg: They were to liquidate lice, fleas, et cetera. Bugs which caused
> epidemics.
>
> Are you going to tell me he wasn’t a witness at Maidanek?
>
> Kurt Stele
Once again–he visited them AFTER the WAR!! AFTER–get it???

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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:41:39 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: GERMAN MUST LIVE or perish?Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
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> > [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> >(quoting Streicher in 1942):
> And only then, after the removal
> > of these parasites, will there be a long period of understanding
> > amongst nations, and hence real peace will come to the suffering
> > world.

To which Mr. RBLACKMORE responded
> Well, now, in what year did Kaufman write his extermination
> diatribe against the German people? In case you don’t know,
> I will lsupply the information. Before Streicher ever wrote the
> inciting words quoted above, a Jewish author in America,
> Theodore N. Kaufman, wrote a hateful book entitled “Germany
> Must Perish” in 1941!

You should be aware that Theodore Kaufmann’s book Germany Must Perish
did not develop in a vacuum. He wrote the book as a response to an
anti-Semitic diatribe called “Germany Must Live” by Roth (“Live”
“Perish”–get the connection?) Germnay wasn’t very popular in 1941, so
Kaufmann’s book was published. Unfortunately it backfired on him, as
Paul
Paul Rassinier, author of “The Real Eichmann Trial” tells us,
“It was in the second half of 1941 that the solution of the Jewish
problem took a murderous turn. First there was the declaration of war
on
Russia. Goebbles [Minister of Propaganda] had the rumor spread that
Hitler
had been compelled to do it because the Jews were trying to get Stalin
into
the war. Then followed the famous book, “Germany Must Perish” (Argyle
Press,
Newark, NJ, 1941 [now defunct]) by a certain Theodore N. Kaufman, an
American
Jew of whom it can be said that his voice was the tocsin of the
forthcoming
entry of the United States into the war at the side of Britain, France
and
Russia…
“Hitler ordered the book to be read over all the radio stations and
no one can imagine the effect it produced on German opinion”
“…The reading of Kaufman’s book over the radio unleashed a mass fury
against the Jews…”

It appears that the Steicher and the Nazis used this book for propaganda
purposes and were very happy to have it.

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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:52:39 PDT 1996
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Andrew Finch wrote:
>
> I’m looking for info on Nazis and Aleins. Also for studies in sauser
> technology by the Nazis. Please e-mail me.
> Anthony

Try this URL
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From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 16:21:33 PDT 1996
Article: 74919 of alt.revisionism
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Just lonely old Matt Giwer forging headers again—yawn.
Ken McVay OBE wrote:
>
> unzip a to a directory and browse from the index.htm.

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From [email protected] Thu Oct 17 07:25:51 PDT 1996
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Just Moshe wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:43:11 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] writes:
> ># [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> >## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
> >## Musuem that 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> ># You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly
> ># stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.
>
> >I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at
> >Pressac’s book, and the text on the monument does not even
> >mention Jews.
>
> >IMHO, the old (and false) figure of “4 million victims,
> >including Jews” – while in reality it is about 1.5 million
> >victims, most of them Jews – can be attributed in part
> >to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add
> >a “Christian touch” to what was, first and foremost, a
> >Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish
> >Government does not pursue this line any more.
>
> We must remember the goyim suffered also. We can not betray them to our> own benefit.

Matt, this is TOO LOW–even for you–to pretend to be a Jewish person
and then posting notes that confirm to your anti-Semitic beliefs. You
couldn’t find real Jews who say the hting you thing Jews say, so you
made one up! Disgusting!
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From [email protected] Thu Oct 17 07:25:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hero Charles Lindbergh: Europeans Must Band Together to Preserve the Race
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Kurt Stele wrote:
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> “We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
> preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European
> blood.”

Your point is well-taken. Lindberg was a fascist supporter early on. He
>
> — Col. Charles A. Lindbergh

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From [email protected] Thu Oct 17 09:15:11 PDT 1996
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Kurt Stele wrote:
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> “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >My personal theory is that these kind of guys tend to have
> >extraordinarily small penises (or think they do) which cripples their
> >emotional growth. Because they’re afraid to meet live women, (because
> >they’re afraid their little weenies will be laughed at) they choose to
> >grow big cyber-penises. Kind of sad, really.
>
> Sorry. Your theory doesn’t apply in my case. You’ll have to come up with something else.
>
All I can say is: Prove it!

Bearin mind that I didn’t fall off the banana boat yesterday, either,
Kurt. I KNOW a big one when I see it <G>

> And besides, Freudian “small penis” theories are for Jews, not goyim, as the distinguished> Psychologist and
IQ studies pioneer Dr. Han Eysenck reveals in his _Fall of the Freudian> Empire_ .
(See also Jung’s commentaries on the matter.)

Did I bring Freud into this? Penile insecurity is not so easily
dismissed, my friend. You should be more respectful!

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:22 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: GERMANY MUST LIVE or perish?Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
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[email protected] wrote:
> > And it appears that Morgenthau was elated with Mr. Kaufman’s
> book as well.
> rb
> > —
Prove it.
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:23 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Happy “Columbus Was a Jew” Day
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Konrad Vandegaer wrote:
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> > >The story is that Columbus’ parents (or was it grandparents?) were
> > >forcibly converted from Judasim to Catholicism during the Spanish
> > >Inquisition.
>
> Strange considering that Columbus was ITALIAN. Of course jews being
> as smart as they are would know this. Thus, it becomes apparent, the
> story must have been concocted by a revisionist and falsely attributed
> to the jews. Will they ever learn that this type of thing won’t work?
> Sad to say, I don’t think so. If they could learn from their flubs then
> they’d be smart enough to know that revisionism is garbage. Thus it
> goes “ad infinitum” and the rest of us must remain ever vigilant that
> their line doesn’t become accepted fact.
>
> Konrad Vandegaer

Columbus lived in Italy, but his fa,ily originally came from Spain.
Look it up.

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yourname wrote:
>
At first I thought it had to do with
> the stupidity that some of our comrades show in the Movement. But no, now that
> I read this article I am shocked to the inner core of my soul To think that
> a man would give all for a non-Aryan women is suprising. You have given up
> a noble cause for the love of a woman, not even that a non-Aryan women!

Bill, Milton left NA before he met this lady. He didn’t give it up for
her–he met her afterwards. Probably she wouldn’t have given him a
second look if he hadn’t left NA. At least he’s got a lover. What do
you have?
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 12:36:30 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: “Postulate a dubious theory” (was GERMANS USE JETS TO DROWN OUT JEWISH SCREAMS IN “GAS CHAMBERS”
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Jeffrey wrote:
> >
> >On the one hand we have John Ball, a geologist, who may have spent his
> >career analysing aerial photos in search of mineral deposits but who
> >must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy to
> >perpetrate a “Holocaust hoax” if his analyses of the Auschwitz aerial
> >photos are to make any sense.
>
> “must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy”
>
> Notice how Mr Morris draws up the rules of engagement……
>
> Mr Morris, WHY must Mr Ball “postulate a dubious theory of a massive
> conspiracy”?
> is it to :-

Why must Mr. Ball’s conclusions that there was no homicidal program at
Auschwitz assume that there was a massive conspiracy? Isn’t it obvious,
or did you misread Mr. Morris, Jeffrey? In order for a ‘hoax’ (Butz’s
words, not mine) to be perpetrated of the magnatude you are suggesting,
wouldn’t there have to be a conspiracy to perpetrate it?

Personally I don’t buy it, though. It’s hard enough to get 20 people to
pull off a good surprise party, let alone hundreds of thousands of
people wo pull off a hoax to garner sysmpaty for Israel by alleging
deaths where there were none. . .
>

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The Prime Holohugger wrote:
>
forgery snipped

Matt, didn’t ATT.WORLDNET.SERVICES cancel your account this week? How
are you able to keep posting?
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 12:36:32 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:
>
> >>British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949. _Washington Daily
> > News_,
> >>January 9th, 1949,
>
> >Y’know, this really is too damned weird.
>
> >The WASHINGTON DAILY NEWS appeared six days a week–Monday
> >through Saturday.
>
> >January 9, 1949, was a Sunday.
>
> >I suddenly wonder whether this whole thing is an unusually clumsy
> >forgery. Anyone on the other side of the pond have access to this
> >SUNDAY PICTORIAL also cited?
>
> Shitlock Holmes, get a copy of January 9th, 1949 and then prove to me the Washington
> “DAILY” News wasn’t Sunday-issued in 1949.
> ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
>
> Then obtain a copy of the SUNDAY PICTORIAL and eat your words asshole.
>

Kurt, there was no Sunday, January 9th 1949 Washington Daily News.
Where did you get this citation? I suppose you were just browsing
throught the microfiche stacks in your local library and happened upon
it????

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 12:36:33 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Kurt Stele wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
> >>Number One: who is to say he currently has a PUBLISHER for the book?
>
> >Mr. Irving. The Library of Congress. Moi.
>
> >>Are you sure he has?
>
> >Yes.
>
> Who is his publisher?

David Irving said at the lecture I attended that Focal Point will
distribute Goebbles in the US.

>
> >>Why are you going around trying to smear Irving instead of contacting him
> >>DIRECTLY on these claims yourself?
>
> >He handed me his book personally. You want I should post a GIF?
>
> Who is his publisher?
>
> >>He can be reached by e-mail, or indirectly thereby.

Sorry, he cannot be contacted through the net. He said he ‘doesn’t have
time’ for it. In fact, I recently received an e-mail from Ann Dalty
telling me he was going to send me another letter snail mail (haven’t
received it yet, though). If you’re interested, my corespondence with
Mr. Irving is located on Nizkor at:

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/i/irving.david/the-alpert-tape

>
> >Can not. He’s afraid of the net.
>
> Is that why there are excerpts posted from his “diary” on the net?

He didn’t post them–someone else did.
>
> >>Your methods aren’t thorough, you haven’t checked with Irving on MOST if
> >>not all of your smears against him.
>
> >It’s all on the audio and videotapes held by Irving’s friends. I didn’t
> >have a tape recorder, and if I had one, he would threaten legal action for
> >copyright infringement, as he has threatened Annie.
>
> You said your conversation with him was on tape.
>
Rich did not tape him, the sponsors of the lecture did–audio and
video. I, OTOH, DID tape him on audio.

> >>He has denied some of them outright
>
> >Specifically? Please do tell.
>
> The accusation that he called himself a “moderate fascist.”
>
> >>and yet you refuse to cross-reference a PRIMARY source: Irving himself!
>
> >On the contrary, I’ve cited his book _Goebbels_ quite accurately. See
> >https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/graves.rich
>
> Why didn’t you ask him when you spoke with him in person if interested in finding out the> answers DIRECTLY?

I offered him space on Nizkor to put up anything he wanted. To date, he
has not responded.

>
> >>You are hardly one to talk for questionable research methodology.
>
> >Unlike Mr. Irving, I have a college degree, and I have read the Time
> >Magazine review of the Kaufman book that he so badly misrepresents. It is
> >available at
> >https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kaufman.theodore.nathan/press
>
> As Irving said, what does not having a college degree have to do with it? The famous
> historian Gibbon never “had a degree.” Many “degree’d” people lack the writing ability,> intelligence,
and insight of a David Irving — none of which is conferred by “college> degree.”
>
Cop out. He is largely self invented, and he gets credit for that, but
he’s also quite taken with himself, and his anti-Semitism colors his
judgement, IMO.

> >>>The foreword to Goebbels accurately identifies the western researcher who
> >>>first used the Goebbels diaries in Russia, directly contradicting his
> >>>claim that he was the first and only to use them. Therefor, I believe I am
> >>>justified in calling his claims lies.
> >>
> >>Maybe Irving didn’t KNOW this at the time.

He knew. How could he not know? He’s a researcher, isn’t he?

> >No, he did, as he immediately retracted himself.
> >http://www.codoh.com/graphics/goebdiaries.GIF
>
> Which still doesn’t prove he KNEW of earlier user at the time, which makes it an “error”> instead of a “LIE!”
>
> Kurt Stele

In any case, he made no effort to disabuse the audience of this ‘error’
in his recent lectures.

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 12:36:34 PDT 1996
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Jeffrey wrote:
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> In article <[email protected]>, Mark Van Alstine
> <[email protected]> writes
> >In article <[email protected]>, Jeffrey
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >> How about an air photo interpreter? Would he have the expertise?
> >> Somebody like John Ball, in fact.
> >
> >Really? Is this the same John Ball who, in _Air Photo Evidence_, labeled the
> >greenbelt around Krema II the perimeter fence?
>
> And what page number is that on, Mr Van Alst?
> Please give references in future.

Jeffrey, I wish you’d make up your mind. Are you going to be a
participant in a discussion here, or a shill for the IHR? Please
seperate your advertisments from your commentary int he future. It’s
distracting.

Mr. Ball incorrectly assumes the presence of a perimeter fence. Not too
hard to do when you’re looking at photos taken from high in the sky. A
little harder to do when you compare them with photos taken on ground
level.
snip off-topic IHR propoganda
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 15:16:33 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Extermination? Re: Keren: Exterminationist by Religion
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> Keren is one such exterminationist..

I don’t think ‘exterminationist’ is a very accurate term since Mr. Keren
does not advocate ‘exterminating’ anyone. If you need a term to
describe someone who refutes Holocaust denial, try something else.
‘Refuter’, maybe? Someone recently used the term ‘anti-hystericist’,
which I much like. Another possibility is ‘verificationist’, or
‘verifier’ since Mr. Keren does a lot of time verifying what is said.
‘Affirmationist’ would be the opposite of ‘denier’. That works, too.

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From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:16 PDT 1996
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Judith Toth wrote:
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> The censors of alt. revisionism deleted my posting. I wonder why? Was
> it too hot to handle? On the other hand D. Keren and Charles L. Power
> both posted article USING my original title. Good work, guys I guess
> that’s what you are paid for, right?…
> So here it goes again!

Don’t flatter yourself, Jud. No one deleted your post. Look on Deja Vu
and you will see everything you ever posted. Your news reader only
shows you stuff you haven’t read yet. Once you read it you don’t see it
again unless you make a special effort.

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Subject: Re: “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”
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tom moran wrote:
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> “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”?
>
> Yup. This is one of the Jewish community’s many absurd proposals.
>
Well, to be accurate, there are some non-Jews who believe this is true.
Witness:

(From M.L. King Jr., “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,” _Saturday
Review_XLVII (Aug. 1967), p. 76. Reprinted in M.L. King Jr.,
_This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther
King Jr._ (New York, 1971), pp. 234-235.)

“. . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you
are merely ‘anti-Zionist.’ And I say, let the truth ring forth
>from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of
God’s green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean
Jews–this is God’s own truth.
“Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains
a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement.
So know also this: anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic, and ever
will be so.
“Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream
and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land.
The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a
flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were
expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered
Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced
to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the
lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
“The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment
of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa
have begged, pleaded, requested–DEMANDED the recognition and
realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own
sovereignty in our own country.
“How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable
right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the
Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of
good will exult in the fulfilment of God’s promise, that his People
should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is
Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.
“And what is anti-Zionism? It is the denial to the Jewish people of
a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa
and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is
discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In
short, it is antisemitism.
“The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The
times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a
hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must
constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must
revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just
‘anti-Zionist’!
“My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know
you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion
for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have
been misled–as others have been–into thinking you can be
‘anti-Zionist’ and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles
that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul:
When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews–make no mistake about
it.”

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Kurt Stele wrote:
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> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Well, now, in what year did Kaufman write his extermination
> >diatribe against the German people? In case you don’t know,
> >I will lsupply the information. Before Streicher ever wrote the
> >inciting words quoted above, a Jewish author in America,
> >Theodore N. Kaufman, wrote a hateful book entitled “Germany
> >Must Perish” in 1941! Here is a sample opf what he wrote:
>
> >”There is, in fine, nno other solution except one: That
> >Germany must perish from this earth! And fortunately,
> >as we shall now come to see, that is no longer impossible
> >of accomplishment. (1941 edition) In the preface of the
> >book, the following was written:
>
> >”This dynamic volume outlines a comprehensive plan
> >for the extinction of the German nation and the total
> >eradication from the earth, of all her people.”
>
> >Hmmm, sounds like a “final solution” for the “German
> >Problem”, doesn’t it?
> >Streicher, who never had any love for the Jews in
> >any case, had read this book, as it was widely
> >distributed, and the above was his reply. Now, what
> >is good for the goose is also good for the gander, as
> >they say.
> >rb
>
> It’s interesting that the Jew Kaufmann calls for the complete extermination of the German
> people, and in Old Testament style: every man, woman, and child. Yet hardly anyone knows
> about books such as Kauffman’s.
>
> Furthermore, Kauffman is never called a “hater” by his fellow Jews, and neither did his
> fellows Jews at the time denounce him, or even criticize him for “anti-Germanism”. (cf.
> “anti-semitism”).
>
> Is it any wonder why the Jews falsely imputed “extermination” to their Nazi captives?
> They only projected onto the Germans what THE JEWS wanted to do to the Germans.
>

Geez, Kaufmann was just responding in anger to a book that called for
killing Jews (Germnay Must Live, Roth). While The Jews didn’t have a
chance to act out any of Kaufmann’s projections, Germany actually
carried out a good deal of Mr. Roths.

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Judith Toth wrote:
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 19 Oct 1996 03:13:14 GMT, [email protected] (Judith Toth) wrote:
>
> >>TOTH ANSWERS:<<< Nice try, honey! — You say the “news reader only
> >>shows you stuff you haven’t read yet. Once you read it you don’t see
> >>it again unless you make a special effort.” ???? Not on my Free Agent
> >>program!
>
> >KEN LEWIS WROTE:<<<I suggest you learn how to use that Free Agent program then instead of
> >wasting the bandwidth here and making an utter fool of yourself.
>
> >It would seem that the only one who hasn’t seen your article is you. God
> >knows the rest of us have. Again and again and again.
>
> >There are no censors at work here. There appear to be a few paranoids
> >posting, however.
>
> >Sorry to shatter your delusional paranoia but you might try pointing your
> >WEB browser at http://www.dejanews.com and doing a search on youself.
>
> >Please be sure to come back and apologize when you see that you are wrong.>>>>
> ————–
> TOTH ANSWERS:<<< I HAVE SEEN all my articles before and I know how to
> use Free Agent also! What we are missing here are two things: (1)
> politness on you side, (2) and trust in you people from our side. It
> just won’t happen…….. ever….
> Judit Toth
> ——————–
For the last time, Judit: It’s not possible to delete articles from
USENET. Each internet provider is a seperate entity. If you can’t find
your articles, ask your service provider. MY ISP carries all your
notes, and your reports and you re-reposts. If I can see them, they
haven’t been deleted.

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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING: What’s he afraid of?
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
> >It’s all on the audio and videotapes held by Irving’s friends. I didn’t
> >have a tape recorder, and if I had one, he would threaten legal action for
> >copyright infringement, as he has threatened Annie.
>
> Yes – one can only wonder what it is about that speech that Mr. Irving
> doesn’t want us to hear? What do you suppose he’s afraid of? Dem wascally
> Joos? Do you suppose it was the fact that the National Alliance organized
> the appearance for him, and he’s suing someone in the U.K. for saying that
> he associates with Nazis? Nah… that part isn’t in the speech, as far as
> I know… must be something else… you don’t suppose he’s told some more
> lies, and he doesn’t want us to hear them?

After spending some time transcribing the tape, I think I know now
exactly what Mr. Irving is afraid of. SInce he was speaking before the
National Alliance, an organization wholly sympathetic to his cause, he
appeared to have let his guard down a bit. He made some comments he
perhaps shouldn’t have. I will explain more fully as I get the
transcription done.

>
> (This may be one Irving spiel that will never be posted on
> Justin Ried’s web pages…. Irving would have to “sanitize”
> first, and then he’d have to explain why the “santitized”
> version didn’t match the live tape… sticky wicket, that.)

Boy, was he EVER wicked in that speech! He made soem pretty ripe
anti-Semitic remarks, doing a whole comedy routine on Jewish names, and
making jokes about Auschwitz survivors. Very crude–but he does it with
a psuedo-upper-middle-class British accent that makes it all seem oh-so
refined.
>
> (Annie, did he claim he didn’t have a publisher in the States, because of
> the Wascally Joos?)
>
You better beleive it. The “Traditional Enemy” “banned” his book in the
US.

> >No, I’m sure he was deliberately exaggerating his accomplishments and
> >credentials. I don’t see this as a *serious* lie, though — it’s like
> >”exaggerating” on your resume.
>
> Telling those lies under oath – now _that’s_ serious … that’s how
> Irving does it – he’s apparently a serious liar than Mr. Stele.
>
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:33 PDT 1996
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Hey Ken! I realize that your present job is a lot
> better (and warmer, especially in Winter!) than
> pumping gas, but other than you, why does anyone
> CARE about the so-called holocaust?

“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it” Georges
Santanya

’nuff said.
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 09:23:03 PDT 1996
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Speaking of David Irving
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Salman Rushdie wrote:
>
> bullshit. Utter bullshit. I too saw Mr. Irving give a speech concerning
> the Goebbels book and other relevent material.
>
> The man is not a ‘Jew-hater’. ANyone who doesn’t lick schmuel’s
> ass is an anti-semite. Don’t give me this crap, please, Ms. Ostrov.
> At the luncheon I saw with my own eyes Mr. Irving going against
> the Nazi Regimes maltreatment of Jews on the simple grounds of inhumanity.
>
> DAVID IRVING IS NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE.
>
> He said that the horror of the camps was that INNOCENT people
> suffered both jew and gentile. There were massive pogroms and atrocites
> of the sort taken out on Jews but no Holocaust as the Zionists propagandized.
>
> David Irving is not an anti-semite: he doesn’t hate arabs!!!! (
> or jews!) What he does hate is jewish machinations, and attitudes of
> “us,us,us,us!!!!!!we’re chosen, we’re not goyim! Mazaltav! oi!”
>
I heard him speak, too, and IMO he exhibited a very deep anti-Semitism.
He did attempt to rationalize his remarks with the standard disclaimer
that he doens’t hate ALL Jews–just the one’s he doesn’t like–but that
hardly absolves him of his blatant dislike for all things and people
Jewish.

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 09:37:15 PDT 1996
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> I didn’t lie at all, 20 million was the figure I’ve always believed was
> > >the ‘standard line’ on the holocaust.
> > for Holocaust victims is roughly 12 million. What you believed
> > was, and is, incorrect.
> > ——————–| An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>
> Maybe 20 is correct when you add in the Axis soldiers starved to death by> the Soviets and Americans in “Allied”
concentration camps.

You bring up an interesting point–how do you ‘count’ deaths during the
Holocaust. How about people who fled for their lives, leaving all
behind them and died on the way? People who died from malnutrition in
the ghettos? Elderly folk or infants who did not receive medical care
because they were Jews? They’re not tallied, but they died as a result
of Nazi aggression.

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 09:37:16 PDT 1996
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Salman Rushdie wrote:
>
> . . . Now seriously, what does one expect> when a Jew writes a book? . . .

> . . . ways to undermine Western civilization through miscegenation with the
> cannibals…er..excuseme!…I mean afikun-amecan’s, . . .

> . . . I asked the korean ( I can’t stand orientals) . . .
>
I bet you’re LOTS of fun at Frat keggers, kiddo!

> . . .
> On the same note I remember my grandmother describing her stay in
> bolshevized Turkmenistan. How they looted all the houses for
> ‘nationalization’ and every man that was an opposition they just
> butchered and killed and every woman they cut off her breasts.
> And why is there nothing on this subject in Nizkor?

Maybe because no one is denying that it happened??
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING: What’s he afraid of?
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AryanGar wrote:
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I wrote:
> >After spending some time transcribing the tape, I think I know now
> >exactly what >Mr. Irving is afraid of.
>
> But we all know U can not post the transcription since U taped the meeting
> with out permission & were asked to give the tape back when your deception
> was revealed.

Sorry, Aryan. That’s a lie. I did not need permission to use my tape
recorder and was not told that tpaing is not permitted in any case,
although we were asked no to use cameras. The event was video taped by
the NA, as well. I sat right in front and Mr.Irving saw my recorder
while I used it, as did other folks. I even had a pleasant conversation
with my seat mate about it.

After the speech, I bought a copy of Goebbles, paid for by check, with
my address on it (I have nothing to hide). I introduced my self as a
friend of Nizkor and offered to arrange for space in the archives for
anything Mr. Irving cared to provide (in keeping with Nizkor’s policy
against censorship, of course.) Mr. Irving at not time asked for the
tape, nor did he object to my taping. In his letter to me, you’ll
note, he makes no mention of asking for the tape–merely reminded me of
his intellectual property rights. See for yourself:

> Postmarked NYC, 9-23/96 on Focal Point stationary, > The envelope was addressed to “Mrs Annie Alpert,”
> Dear Ms Alpert:
>
> My friends tell me that you have been posting various things on the
> Internet. May I remind you that all my remarks at the private lecture
> which you attended on September 20 are what is known in law as
> “intellectual property”,and that any unlawful dissemination of either
> the tape recording which you were observed to make or of any
> unauthorised transcript thereof will constitute an infringment of my
> Copyright and will be treated accordingly, and damages will be sought
> for breach of copyright. If you wish to publish a transcript, please
> submit it to me for authorisation first, to avoid unpleasant
> consequences. I have had unpleasant experiences with people publishing
> maicious so-called transcripts on the Internet which in fact bear little
> resemblance to anything I may or may not have said.
>
> Your sincerely,
>
> David Irving
> Focal Point Publications.
>
> (Focal Point is his vanity label)
>
> END LETTER
>

My reply was as follows:

> David Irving
> PO Box 1707
> Key West, FL 33041
>
> Dear Mr. Irving:
>
> Thank you for your letter of 09/22/96. You indicated in your note that
> you became uncomfortable upon learning from your friends that I post on
> the Internet. I’m sorry if that information caused you alarm.
>
> Let me reassure you I certainly have no intention of ‘unlawful
> dissemination’ of any ‘intellectual property’ of yours. I am a writer
> myself, and understand the rules of copyright.
>
> I did notice, however, that there are a couple of places on the Internet
> where transcripts or audio versions of your speeches are available.
> Since you are concerned about potential theft of intellectual property,
> I’m sure you will want to contact these folks about this apparently
> unauthorized use of your words:
>
> http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/
> http://http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/David-Irving_html/
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Annie Alpert
END REPLY

Interestingly enough, I received the following E-mail from a woman named
Ann Dalty recently. I have NOT heard from Mr. Irving again, but Ms
Dalty seems to labor under the same misconception as you do–that Mr.
Irving at some time asked me for the tape. Isn’t that curious? Is Ms
Dalty perhaps an aquaintence of yours?

BEGIN EMAIL
[email protected] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 96-09-25 12:22:17 EDT, you write:
>
> << Return-Path: [email protected]
> Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA06857 for
> [email protected](anniealpert); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:20:06 -0400
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:20:06 -0400
> From: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] (anniealpert)
> Subject: Your unauthorized taping of David Irving
>
> Ms. Alpert,
>
> I am writing to you on the behalf of Mr. David Irving.
>
> On the night of September 20, 1996 you, without permission or previous
> consent, made a recording of Mr. Irving during a speech. Afterwards you
> approached him and he became aware of your recording. You were asked for
> the> tape to be given, yet you did not relinquish the said tape.
>
> Mr. Irving would like you to be aware of a letter he will be sending you
> where he will again warn you of his intellectual rights to his words and the
> copyright infringement due to any taping, any unauthorized playing,
> transcription, and/or distribution in any manner from his words or voice on
> the tape.
>
> Please be aware that your act of secretly recording and any intent that this
> action presents are being taken seriously by Mr. Irving. You are asked to
> send the original cassette tape made during this violation and any copies
> you> have made to Mr. Irving at P.O. Box 1707, Key West, FL 33041.
> >>

I love the way U like to call Gwier a criminal when it
> seems to be Nizcor & that ilk that really seem to think they R about the
> law.
>
Well, the law says I can make ‘fair use’ of Mr. Irving’s words for the
purposes of review or reporting. I haven’t broken the law, although Mr.
Giwer has. (And ‘U’ have broken many laws of grammar <G>)

> >SInce he was speaking before the National Alliance,
>
> He was not “speaking before the National Alliance”. The event U attended
> was set up by a man who is also a member of the NA but those attending
> were from the general public.

It was an official NA meeting. They conducted the meeting before he
spoke.

> I loved it when U wanted to create some
> strange image in a previous post & stated The Turner Diaries were selling
> like hot cakes.. First off most if not all NA got there copies a long long
> time ago.. as have many others.. some members buy extra copies to have a
> second copy to loan out or to give as gifts

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I saw people buying them and reading them in the LOONG hour and a half
before Mr Irving showed up. Does it matter why they were selling?
What’s your point?
>
> >an organization wholly sympathetic to his cause, he appeared to have let
> his >guard down a bit. He made some comments he perhaps shouldn’t have.
> I will >explain more fully as I get the transcription done.
>
snip
>
> >Boy, was he EVER wicked in that speech! He made soem pretty ripe
> >anti-Semitic remarks, doing a whole comedy routine on Jewish names, and
> >making jokes about Auschwitz survivors. Very crude–but he does it with
> >a psuedo-upper-middle-class British accent that makes it all seem oh-so
> >refined.
>
> I know exactly what remarks U R speaking of & I can tell U that they R
> nothing so bizare nor as vile as U want them to be.. U R just saying
> these things now to try to give “Graves” conspiracy theories validity..
> but they do not & U do not. These R the same things he told Newpaper
> reporters & did on a live radio broadcast & also the same things he
> mentioned while he was on the Jana Vent Television show (the Female Ted
> Copell of Australia) a few weeks ago.
>
> After all the Weisenthal bashing that has come out recently of jews
> attacking him for imbezzeling & for misrepresenting things & persons I am
> amazed that Irivings cute story seems to be a big nasty thing to U. For
> those of U that missed it.. (I will in my own version tell a cute story as
> I heard it) It has been asked over & over again why we see all these
> Holohoax musuems popping up all over the US.. (many with confliciting &
> blatantly incorrect accounts… gee like thats new..) I have been in
> attendance where many audiance members ask/or tell Mr. Irving about
> this.. He responds back that it would not suprise him given how the
> holocost is such big bussiness & the fact that Weisenthal has recently
> franchised out the operations of many new units across N. America that
> soon we will see these franchises in every small city & town & that they
> will see these giant golden upsidedown arches or W for Weisenthal all
> over the skylines… (this is funny & lite hearted & sadly enough an
> actually posibility & reality..)
>
Oh, he is a kidder, isn’t he? But no–those weren’t the remarks I was
referring to.
Perhaps it’s a matter of opinion?

> >> (Annie, did he claim he didn’t have a publisher in the States, because
> of> >> the Wascally Joos?)
>
> >You better beleive it. The “Traditional Enemy” “banned” his book in the
> US.
>
> He does NOT have a publisher in the US!! This is the truth & a fact!!!

Please read more carefully–Rich asked if he said he did not have a
publisher BECAUSE OF THE JEWS. That is true.
snip

(couldn’t
> Annie at least have washed her hair or bathed in the last week before her
> attending the NJ event?) I see that U both R maintaining the Nizcor rep as
> just what it is, a bunch of greasy crackpots.

Now, this is interesting. Yo said you weren’t there and now you’re
attempting to comment on my personal hygene? Quite amusing!

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Laura Finsten wrote:
>
> alt.revisionism regulars who don’t read apn-w may be interested in this.
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> From: [email protected] (Mayor Loz)
> NOTE: Controversial subjects are open to debate. We welcome your
> input for or against anything presented here in the search for truth. We
> feel that CENSORSHIP of ideas is far worse than anything zealous or
> extremist individuals might say and look forward to your participation.
> ———————————————————————————
>
> PROJECT CHRISTIE ON TARGET
>

Loz- you used to be a pretty rational guy, but you’ve sure begun to slip
over the edge lately. Bored since Compuserve asked you to resign two
forum leaderships in a row?

> Some of you may recall my coed friend Christie from “Take Up This
> Burden”. As I mentioned I would then, I have maintained the contact and
> rapped with her several times on race and reality when I run into her on
> Franklin Street. Today I decided it was time to tackle the Big H. She had a
> set-to with one of her Jewish professors and I figured I’d strike while the
> iron is hot.

Yeah–brainwash a girl under stress that JOOOOs are responsible for her
bad grades!
You go guy!

When I met her today I took along “40 Questions On The
> Holocaust”, “Did Six Million Really Die?” and as my clincher, a selection of
> Z-Grams and printouts of the brilliant discourse provided by Nizkor on
> alt.revisionism. You will be glad to know we scored a direct hit,
> effortlessly.
>
> After some preliminary nattering I showed her the Z-Grams and then
> some of the Nizkor “exchanges”, prefacing the latter with, “I apologize for
> the language in these, Chris, but if you’re serious about learning about the
> Jews you’re going to be seeing a lot of this kind of thing. It’s the very
> essence of the Jewish mind.”

What happened to your assertions that you weren’t anti-Semitic?
>
>
>
> Anyway, we got into why the Jews do what they do. Christie pointed
> to the Nizkor posts and said, “I wonder why they act like that? Jews are
> supposed to be so smart, but apparently they’re not smart enough to realize
> that they just turn people against them and get their curiosity up about
> Revisionism when they do that kind of thing.” I won’t try to recount the
> entire conversation verbatim, but a sum-up of basically what I told her:
>
Hmmm–maybe that’s because everyone here isn’t Jewish?

anti-Semitic comments snipped

> Ah, yes. A crisp autumn day with the trees just starting to turn
> yellow and orange beneath a blue sky. A sidewalk cafe with good coffee, and
> a few pleasant hours spent corrupting America’s youth and stealing a young
> mind from right under their fleshy noses. It just doesn’t get any better
> than this.

Oh, ha ha! Jew-big-noses jokes! What a card you are!
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From: “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Speaking of David Irving
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Salman Rushdie wrote:
>
> I too hate the attitude of Jews when it comes to their own self
> importance. Or when they complain about maltreatment throughout the
> centuries, but I don’t hate all Jews. I have a lot of Jewish friends, and
> like Irving I’ll say that I hate – HATE – Jewish machinations.
> Interestingly, he never said anything of the sort that hates everything
> jewish.
>
> A
>
> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Annie Alpert, OFB wrote:
>
> > I heard him speak, too, and IMO he exhibited a very deep anti-Semitism.> > He did attempt to rationalize
his remarks with the standard disclaimer> > that he doens’t hate ALL Jews–just the one’s he doesn’t
like–but that> > hardly absolves him of his blatant dislike for all things and people> > Jewish.
> >
That’s like saying you don’t hate ALL cabbage–just the stuff that
tastes bad. Rationalize it anyway you want. If you don’t like Jews
because they are Jewish, you are an anti-Semite.

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 14:36:51 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Zealotry ~ Internet Censorship and Nizkor
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Mayor Loz wrote:
>
> BTF <[email protected]>
>
> Vol. 18 No. 6
> October 20, 1996
>
> Subject: Project Christie On Target
> ———————————————————————————
>
> <> T H E V O I C E O F C Y B E R F R E E A M E R I C A <>
>
> ———————————————————————————
>
> NOTE: Controversial subjects are open to debate. We welcome your
> input for or against anything presented here in the search for truth. We
> feel that CENSORSHIP of ideas is far worse than anything zealous or
> extremist individuals might say and look forward to your participation.
> ———————————————————————————

Mr Loz’ story snipped excpet for this:
> Ah, yes. A crisp autumn day with the trees just starting to turn yellow and orange beneath a blue sky.
A sidewalk cafe with good coffee, and> a few pleasant hours spent corrupting America’s youth and stealing a young>
mind from right under their fleshy noses. It just doesn’t get any better> than this.

Ha Ha–funny joke about JOOOOSH noses — but I wonder who you posted
this here and then again seperately under nationalism.white-power but
not on alt-revisionism where it belongs?

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From [email protected] Wed Oct 23 07:44:36 PDT 1996
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yourname wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says…
> >
> >yourname wrote:
> >>
> > At first I thought it had to do with
> >> the stupidity that some of our comrades show in the Movement. But no, now
> that
> >> I read this article I am shocked to the inner core of my soul To think that
> >> a man would give all for a non-Aryan women is suprising. You have given up
> >> a noble cause for the love of a woman, not even that a non-Aryan women!
> >
> >Bill, Milton left NA before he met this lady. He didn’t give it up for
> >her–he met her afterwards. Probably she wouldn’t have given him a
> >second look if he hadn’t left NA. At least he’s got a lover. What do
> >you have?
> >–
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> I thnak you for that bit of information. I am always glad to be corrected when
> I am wrong. The second point is; what does me having a lover have anything to
> do with this? Are you bringing in little derogatory comments because oyu have> nothing else better to place
in its stead? It appears that way. Next time do> not respond unless oyu have something intelligent to say.
Oh and by the way I> have checked out the Nizkor site, I trust oyu in turn have looked at the> Zundelsite?

You could not have looked to hard at Nizkor if you don’t know that
Nizkor links to Ernst Zundel’s web site.
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From [email protected] Wed Oct 23 10:17:36 PDT 1996
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Hardwire wrote:
>
> Marduk wrote:
> >
> > Was he booted off ATT???
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Yes, he was. Thanks to you and those like you.
>
> It must be nice to be able to post whatever you like, and deny those
> others with differing opinions by forcing them off of their providers
> through repeated complaints to their ISP.

Oh, ocme on. He was booted for forging posts–no other reason. He was
here for a very long time and posted whatever he liked. Once he broke
the law, he got punished.

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
>
> It begins to shed light on the corporate monopoly that the internet has
> become. Instead of holding a customers rights in the highest of
> respects, and customer will simply be discontinued the first moment that
> some situation arises that does not prove in the best interests of the
> company providing the Internet access.
>
> Great isn’t it? I wonder what you’ll do when Netcom decides that you
> have become a liability? Or for that matter, any of the rest of you out
> there?
>
> I think it should be stated that ANYONE, ANYWHERE, can be the target of
> this sort of prejudice. So be careful of what you say gentlemen and
> ladies, should it suddenly be determined not to be in keeping with the
> policies of your provider.

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From [email protected] Thu Oct 24 09:36:18 PDT 1996
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Mayor Loz wrote:
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> Annie, or FATBROAD as you want to be called….
>
> The post reflects the author, you don’t like it, go to him. I found essential> truth in the post,
if that offends you, good.
>
> Anyone who works for Nizkor is merely an extension of online censorship IMHO> and offending online
censors is what I do.

Bruce Schonfelder, please show me WHERE in that post you identified the
author as Harold Covington–the true author of the piece????

Plgarism is such an ugly word, don’t you think?
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From [email protected] Thu Oct 24 11:43:16 PDT 1996
Article: 76708 of alt.revisionism
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> I have at least a slight bit of experience with Nizkor and their cronies,> yet I find myself actually
surprised at this new level to which they have> led their descent.

snip

> Student Revisionists’ Resource Site- http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling
> David Irving audio lectures available under -Contents-
>
Pauling–Did you ever get permission from Irving to make his
intellectual property available to the public? He tends to threaten to
sue people you know.
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From [email protected] Thu Oct 24 11:43:17 PDT 1996
Article: 76709 of alt.revisionism
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> I have at least a slight bit of experience with Nizkor and their cronies,>
yet I find myself actually surprised at this new level to which they have> led their descent.

snip

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From [email protected] Thu Oct 24 13:02:47 PDT 1996
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Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 05:54:33 GMT, [email protected] (Mayor Loz)
> wrote:
>
> >Anyone who works for Nizkor is merely an extension of online censorship IMHO
> >and offending online censors is what I do.
>
> I guess that last part’s accurate.
>
> Just as it’s accurate to say that if you fart in an elevator, you’ll
> offend short skinny guys facing east.
>
> Along, of course, with everyone else in your er, uh… sphere of
> influence.

Bruce is just trying desperately to get attention on USENET. So far his
tedious regurgitations of other people’s writings (aka plagarism) has
been largely ignored. For a long time he was the top banana in a
Compuserve forum–but they asked him to resign when he crossed the line
of good taste once too often. Now he’s on an anti-Semitic tear. Kind of
sad, really.
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:36 PDT 1996
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Fergus McClelland wrote:
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> They seek him here,
> They seek him there,
> They seek Matt Giwer everywhere.
> Is he in Heaven, is he in Hell?
> That damned elusive bane of Israel.

This puts me in mind of David Irving’s comedy routine, which I recently
saw at the National Alliance meeting where he spoke:

“They [The Traditional Enemy] print stories like how Marlon Brando was
forced to go creeping and weeping into the headquarters of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center where he was subjected to three hours of merciless
interrogation and debriefing by the Simon Wiesenthal cheif Rabbi Marvin
Hier [he promounces it ‘here’]–dean of the Simon Wiesenthal. There’s a
name for isn’t it? Rabbi Marvin ‘Here’, of course he calls himself
‘HY-ER’ which of course is still ‘here’, H-I-E-R. There’s no two ways
about that, same as Weisel calls himself ‘Wizzel’ some <?>. Man, these
strange–if he was the Scarlet Pimpernel, they seek Hier here, they seek
Hier there, wouldn’t they?
[loud laughter]
If he was a German it’d be: they’d seek Herr Hier here, they’d seek–
[louder laughter]
But if the English were to applaud him it’d be “Here, here, Herr Hier.”
”

Oh, ha ha.

B l

comment drowne dout in laughter–he’s q priud of the fact that’ he’s
the rabbi<?

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[email protected] wrote:
>
Hey, Matt! Knew you couldn’t stay away. But I am surprised that you
are still forging! Didn’t you learn a thing?

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JEFFREY WALKER wrote:
>
> `
> . RESUME
> .
> .
> MR. JEFFREY EARL WALKER
> ..
> BACKGROUND
> SUMMARY:
> .
> SEVENTEEN YEARS EXPERENCE IN ELECTRONICS INSPECTION AND TROUBLE SHOOTING
> TO COMPONENT LEVEL.
> VEHICLE INSTALLATION OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES.
> SALES OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES
> TELEMARKETING / ANSWERING SERVICE OPERATOR
> QA/QC INSPECTOR

Some job applicant–can’t even type in upper and lower case.

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Subject: Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Danny Li wrote:
> > Barry Bruyea <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >”R. E. Tremblay” <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>[email protected] wrote:
>
> This is another example of abuse of Canadian Tax laws, just like the
> BRONFMAN situation, where more than 2.2 BILLION dollars was illegally
> moved out of Quebec, and Canada, without paying their taxes!!!
>
> Profanity and insane comments from the cretinous Bruyea deleted
>
>
> > It would appear that whether or not it is illegal is up to a court to decide.
>
> In fact, both Revenue Canada Taxation, and the Auditor General of Canada
> have publicly reported that the removal of the 2.2 BILLION dollars,
> without paying the Income Taxes thereon, WAS ILLEGAL!!!!
>
> because of the illegal removal without paying the taxes, by the BRONFMAN
> JEW, now Chinese immigrants are being swindled,and have to pay income
> taxes of around 70% on their OVERSEAS ASSETS, not just income in Canada.

Hey, Acumen–you’ve been duped AGAIN by the Giwer. There is no Danny
Li–just Giwer affecting a poor imitation of a Chinese-American accent.
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From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 13:02:32 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: GIF! GIF! Re: DAVID IRVING: What’s he afraid of?
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Jamie McCarthy wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
> > Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of Jewish media
> > control, it is our inescapable responsibility to do whatever is
> > necessary to break that control. We must shrink from nothing in
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > combatting this evil power
>
> Oops, I forgot my favorite quote from this piece:
>
> The Jewish control of the American mass media is the single most
> important fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole world
> today. There is nothing — plague, famine, economic collapse, even
> nuclear war — more dangerous to the future of our people.

When I attended the NA meeting to hear Irving speak, there was a woman
there with five (count ’em) FIVE kids. You can hear them quite clearly
on the tape–screaming throughout the session. Poor girl. None of the
Aryan boys lent a hand and she looked like she had been dressed in 1974.
> —
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://nizkor.org/

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From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:37 PST 1996
Article: 77332 of alt.revisionism
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Keith Morrison wrote:
>
> ZOG Canada East is pleased to announce the opening of the ZOG Homepage.
> The creation of this homepage is in direct response to the Fatbroads who,
> achieving a high profile in ZOG have reduced ZOGCanEast’s revenues by
> eighteen percent.
>
> http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/zoghome.html
>
Keith–your web page is WONDERFUL! You’ve inspired me tremendously!
Great job!
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The Bok wrote:
> >> Since more and more White are beginning to feel threatened by the
> >>current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
> >>are based in fantasy.
> >
> >Fine. Post the membership stats for the various nazidiot/Klan groups over> >the last, say, 30 years.
Let’s find the trend.
>
> No need, since I am personally involved in recruiting I can attest to
> the rise in recruitment. Are you now asserting that there is not a
> rise in anti-government sentiment?

Since when is the fear of ‘anti-White sentiment’ the same as being
anti-government? Sounds like an error in logic to me.
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Ian McKinney wrote:
>snip
> I’ll bet that 90% of my antagonists would rather live in a country where
> people are free to discriminate against others for race, economics, or any
> other reason, than to live in a politically correct world where every word,
> thought, and action is deemed legitimate and permissible based upon whether
> it’s approved by Big Brother. No, I rather think you would be beating on our
> door begging to be let in, given that alternative.
>
Oh, are those my only two choices? Well, I’d bet that 90% of your
anagonists would also prefer to live in a country where they are free to
eat rotten pig intestines than to live in a world where they are
confined to a life-time diet of Big Macs.

snip
> Separate – it’s better for everyone. The only ones wouldn’t like separation> are the leeches among the other
races, who can’t get along without Whitey’s> steady subsidies.

How interesting to see how well you Aryan warriors do in a your
landlocked Idaho homeland without cheap third-world labor to do your
dirty work. Back to Kinder, Kuche Kirche, I’d imagine?
>
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:39:24 PST 1996
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> ³It often happened that when the doors were opened too early some of the
> people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the men in the
> _Sonderkommando_, a tiny baby was found still sucking at it¹s mother¹s
> breast. It had probably been sucking all the time and so had not inhaled
> the deadly fumes. S.S. man Wagner was furious. He snatched the baby away
> and threw it into a blazing oven.²
>
> Hart, _Return to Auschwitz_ (ISBN 0-689-70637-5), p.122-123.
>
Mark, the silence from the deniers over your recent series of posts
recounting the evidence of acts of genocide is DEAFENING! The silence
is the answer–there is no answer.

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From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:39:25 PST 1996
Article: 77385 of alt.revisionism
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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> Just unzip to a directory and browse index.htm.
>
> It is agreed this is beyond the ability of so many holohuggers but give it> a shot, learn something.

Matt–using Gordons ID in your header is illegal and stupid.

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From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:08 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Belling/Blackmore: Profiles in Cowardice?
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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
>
> Sometimes “surfing” Deja News can be as enlightening as surfing the
> Web. Mr. “Blackmore” recently enjoined readers to search for his
> “answers” to Mr. Gandhi’s questions. Mr. “Blackmore” claimed to have
> posted such answers “over and over again.” Perhaps other readers were
> more successful than I in finding these alleged “answers” but I didn’t
> find any. During the course of my search, however, I _did_ find the
> following profile:
>
> http://xp5.dejanews.com/[email protected]
>
> AUTHOR PROFILE: [email protected]
>
> ————————————————————————
>
> •921 articles posted between 1996/07/28 and 1996/10/25. •85 %
> followups. •Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups
> (slightly skewed by cross-postings):
> •917 alt.revisionism •2 acadia.chat •1 alt.best.of.internet •1
> alt.rock-n-roll.oldies
>
> Well, alt.best.of.internet and alt.rock-n-roll.oldies seemed
> self-explanatory, but I had no idea what acadia.chat might be so I
> decided to follow the convenient link from the profile. There I
> found:
>
> *************************
> Article 2 of 2
>
> Subject: look and you shall see…
> From: [email protected]
> Date: 1996/07/29
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> Organization: Sprynet News Service
> Newsgroups: acadia.chat
>
> hello ? antone out there 12-14 e-mail me . i am thirteen and … well
> if you e-mail me at [email protected]
>
> you can find out more about me i am a female.
>
> *************************
>
> This was an interesting discovery! In reading the contributions of
> Mr. “Blackmore” to alt.revisionism, I have often wondered if perhaps
> “he” was a young teenager who had – unbeknownst to his parents – been
> using the family computer. And here it turns out that “he” is not
> only a teenager, but also a “she” who invites responses to yet another
> persona, one “jbelling.”
>
> I also found the date of this particular post quite interesting. A
> day later (July 30), I had received two e-mails from
> <[email protected]> Here are the headers:
>
> From: [email protected]
> Received: (from [email protected]) by x6.boston.juno.com (queuemail)
> id QAA11270; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:16:45 EDT
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Hilary is full of it
>
> From: [email protected]
> Received: (from [email protected]) by x6.boston.juno.com (queuemail)
> id QAA12788; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:24:04 EDT
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Hilary is full of it
>
> Oh, in case Mr/Ms Blackmore/Belling is wondering why I failed to
> respond to either of these missives, I ignored both because neither
> message answered the question I had posed to the writer (whoever s/he
> might have been):
>
> *******************
> Subject: Re: Hilary is full of it
> From: [email protected] (Hilary Ostrov)
> Date: 1996/07/30
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> Distribution: world
> References: <[email protected]>
> Organization: myssiwyg*
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Not all revisionists are racists, much as you would like the web-browsers to think so, Hilary.
>
> Mr/Ms. Blackmore:
>
> Perhaps, since you choose not to observe customary USENET courtesies
> and conventions, you would care to elaborate on this comment. You
> could start by giving some indication of what I might have said – and
> where – that has led you to this particular erroneous conclusion.
>
> Posted/e-mailed
>
> hro
> [sig deleted. hro]
>
> *************************
>
> Nor, I might add, did his/her “public” response, 4 days later:
>
> *****************
> Subject: Re: Hilary is full of it
> From: [email protected]
> Date: 1996/08/03
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> Organization: Sprynet News Service
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>
> Oh! I am sorry! So you don’t believe revisionists are racists?
>
> ********************
>
> Gee, does anyone see anything familiar in this particular posting
> pattern?!
>
> For the record, it seems that Mr/Ms “Blackmore” decided to retire
> his/her jbelling alter ego in September:
>
> http://xp5.dejanews.com/[email protected]
>
> AUTHOR PROFILE: [email protected]
>
> ————————————————————————
>
> •54 articles posted between 1996/06/17 and 1996/09/05. •46 %
> followups. •Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups
> (slightly skewed by cross-postings):
> •45 alt.revisionism •2 alt.feminazis •2 alt.politics.white-power •1
> alt.homosexual •1 alt.recovery.catholicism •1 alt.romance.mature-adult
> •1 alt.skinheads •1 alt.teens
>
> So tell me, Mr/Ms “Blackmore/Belling” who really _did_ send me those
> two e-mails on July 30? A little 13 year-old girl? If not, which of
> your alter egos sent me the e-mails?
>
> Oh, whichever one of you sent the e-mail reply to the courtesy copy of
> my post in the thread Re: Mike Curtis’s “Gas Chambers” (Oct. 25),
> please post your e-mail publicly (to alt.revisionism – not one of the
> other newsgroups s/he has frequented on occasion) if you would like a
> response.
>
> And do tell us, Mr/Ms “Blackmore/Belling” should we be asking if you
> know what your children are up to? Or should we be asking if your
> children know what you are up to?
>
> Oh, btw, was s/he disappointed that <[email protected]> didn’t
> reply to <rblackmore@juno.com>’s scintillating response to ebilling’s
> plea?
>
> And while you are at it, maybe you could put away all your little
> masks (yes, I know Halloween is coming up soon, but do try) and let
> the REAL Blackmore/Belling person speak. Let him/her put forward
> (finally) – in a concise, adult fashion – a statement of his/her
> position along with _verifiable_ sources for any claims s/he might
> make in support of this “position.” [With or without help from his/her
> ghost writer.]
>
> Or would you prefer to continue to work on the “Profile in Cowardice”
> autobiographical portrait that you are painting for us with your
> little one-liners and a multitude of other unartful dodges?
>
Hilary, you are a peach! I await Mr/s Belling-Blackmore’s reply with
‘baited’ breath <G>
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Greg Raven wrote:
>
> Fatbroad! (OFB) wrote:
> >
> > In loving memory of Stephanie Brumlik
> >
> > (Originally published on GEnie, Category 15, Topic 4, Message 907,
> > Fri Mar 27, 1992, POOH.BAH, at 19:26 EST)
> >
> > [The IHR’s Greg Raven said]
> >
> > “virtually everything I had been told about the Holocaust
> > story … in the classroom, on the television, in books …
> > was in error. I can’t think of any other topic about which
> > that can be said.”
> >
> > “How many other historical events have you investigated on your own?
> > Perhaps ‘virtually everything’ you have been told about other events is
> > “in error” but you are not aware of that.
>
> Perhaps so. That is why Holocaust extermination stories MUST be reexamined,
right along with everything else we are taught
> or told.
>
Well, Greg–Stephanie sure ‘reexamined’ everything YOU’VE ever been
taught, didn’t she? <VBSEG>
> —
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Hanson wrote:
> I agree with you Sheldon, these people should be banned. I find their
> diatribes tiresome and time consuming. There are other groups where they> can spew their vitriol.
Hate has nothing to do with Militia discussions.> A month or so back Mark was doing his best to tie
the militia movement> to the Nazi movement. I suspect he will again in the future, economics,> you know.
The differences have been made clear. I would welcome a return> to discussions as to the validity of the movement.

No matter how offensive some people’s view may seem, censorship is not
the answer. It will only make martyrs out of them, and they delight in
that. Martyrdom is a great recruiting tool. The cure for hate speech,
IMO is MORE speech. Drown ’em out!

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AnnDaltyn wrote:
>
> It seems to me that if one were looking for a plant who uses such rhetoric> one only has to look at Arlen,
yourself & a few others. Then there is this> soggy Waffle that adds nothing valuable to MAM what so ever.>
[email protected] (Mo10Cav) seems to be an obvious plant that it boogles the> mind why it continues
to post under that account.
>
Ann, it just GALLS you that there are people in this world who don’t
agree with your white-supremecist ideology, doesn’t it? Everyone who’s
not a Nazi is a ‘plant’, huh? Well, sprinkle on some Miracle-Gro and
call me Rosie!

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 29 08:53:55 PST 1996
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> > >>> Subject: look and you shall see…
> >>> From: [email protected]
> >>> Date: 1996/07/29
> >>> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> >>> Organization: Sprynet News Service
> >>> Newsgroups: acadia.chat
>
> >>> hello ? antone out there 12-14 e-mail me . i am thirteen and … well> >>>
if you e-mail me at [email protected]
> > >>> you can find out more about me i am a female.
>
> >[snip]
> >
> >It would appear that there is more rblackmore than meets the eye!
> > One wonders why a 13-year-old girl would open an account under
> the name Joseph Bellinger… I find that more than a little
> strange. Does Mr. Bellinger have a daughter, perhaps?
>
The idea of a 13-14 year old girl trolling aorund the internet
unsupervised is pretty scary–even if it IS Halloween. If I were
Mr/Ms/Mrs/Miss Blackmore-Belling I would be more than a LITTLE concerend
about my daughter.
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Michael Rohaly wrote:
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> : You seem to have missed some key questions, which the maggot has
> : repeatedly refused to answer.
>
> Questions like “How’s the food at the nut-house, Billy?”
>
Coincidently, I was owndering the same thing myself. Do they feed them
cafeteria-style or from trays in the room, hospital-style? I also
wonder who pays for the computer equipment in the mental hospital and
whether the PC is in his hospital room or in a day room.

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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>
> Monday October 28 10:20 EST
>
> Russia Gives Archives to U.S. Holocaust Museum
>
> MOSCOW (Reuter) – In a bold display of post-Cold War openness,
> Russia Monday handed to the Washington-based Holocaust Memorial
> Museum a raft of documents from the former KGB archives on Nazi
> atrocities against the Jews.
>
> Alexander Yakovlev, who heads Russia’s Commission for the
> Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, presented the
> 15,000 pages of archives to museum officials in a Kremlin ceremony
> also attended by U.S. Ambassador Thomas Pickering.
>
> “These documents can no longer be kept in archives — they must
> be made known to all” said Yakovlev, a former adviser to Soviet
> President Mikhail Gorbachev.
>
> [This story illustrates why the United States Holocaust
> Memorial Museum should provide some hard data via its web
> site. knm]
>
> The documents include wartime field reports of atrocities committed by
> the Nazis after Hitler launched his invasion of the Soviet Union in June
> 1941 and also materials on trials of German Nazis and Soviet collaborators
> from 1946 to 1949.
>
> “This transfer of archive materials is unprecedented in terms of
> scope and breadth,” Pickering told a news conference.
>
> Officials said the transfer of the materials, whose full historical
> importance has still to be assessed, followed several years of
> discussions with the KGB’s post-communist successor, the Federal
> Security Service (FSB).
>
> Walter Reich, director of the Holocaust Memorial Museum, said the
> documents were especially valuable because the Nazis’ mass killings
> of Jews had begun on Soviet soil.
>
> “It was here that these mass killings began as the Einsatzgruppen
> (special murder squads) swept in behind the invading forces,” he told
> reporters in a prepared statement.
>
> Quoting Winston Churchill’s words at the time, he said: “We are in the
> presence of a crime without a name.”
>
> Around 1.5 million Jews were killed in these murderous operations
> accompanying the German invasion, Reich said.
>
> Records of postwar trials of Nazis would shed light on another group of
> victims, Soviet prisoners of war, who he said “were killed in a kind of
> macabre shooting gallery or became subjects of experiments to demonstrate
> the effectiveness of new hand grenades.”
>
> The trial documents also include information about Soviet citizens who
> collaborated with the Nazi occupiers. Some became particularly sadistic camp
> guards who were later captured and brought to trial, museum official Carl
> Modig told reporters.
>
> Vladimir Naumov, a distinguished Russian archivist, said the documents
> showed that responsibility for the atrocities was not limited to the
> murder squads but pervaded the whole German army from the lowest to the
> most senior ranks.
>
> He said the materials would help historians get a clearer idea of how
> many Jews perished at Nazi hands, adding that he believed the figure
> exceeded the generally cited 6 million to 7 million computed after the
> war.
>
> Naumov also recalled how honest, objective investigations into the
> Nazis’ genocide suffered because of hardening anti-Semitism in
> Stalin’s postwar Soviet Union.
>
> Wartime efforts by leading Soviet intellectuals to compile “blackbook”
> of anti-Semitic crimes had to be abandoned, though some of their material
> was later published in the United States.
>
> “Any mention of Jews (at that time) was seen as heinous anti-Soviet
> propaganda,” Naumov said.
>
> Reich hailed Naumov’s words as marking a watershed in Russian attitudes
> toward the Holocaust.
>
> “What Dr. Naumov has said reflects a kind of fresh thinking and a new
> look at the historical facts that is especially needed in this country,
> which for so long looked at history through an ideological lens,” Reich
> said.
>
> Russia is still coming to terms with its own long history
> of anti-Semitism. This month the first synagogue built in Moscow
> since the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution opened its doors in a move
> seen by some Jewish leaders as a partial atonement for the past.
>
> The U.S. officials said they hoped Monday’s archive transfer would
> be part of an ongoing process of sharing information.
>
> [Alas, what is it going to take to convince the Museum to scan
> this material and share it with the rest of the world? knm]
>
More than six million? More revisionism, but I suspect the deniers will
be scrambling to refute it. Should be interesting.
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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
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> In <[email protected]>, “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> >>
>
> [peach post purged for posterity]
>
> >>
> >Hilary, you are a peach! I await Mr/s Belling-Blackmore’s reply with
> >’baited’ breath <G>
>
> Sheesh, Annie! I thought we were on the same side! And here you are
> accusing me of being one of those fruit-flavoured trolls we have seen
> of late :>)
>
> Strange though, haven’t seen anything from the M/F B/B since I posted
> this “Profiles in Cowardice”. Hmmm…. Wonder if s/he might have …
> uh … slipped on a banana peel?!
>
> Posted/e-mailed
>
Hilary, I can’t IMAGINE why a truth-seeker like Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss
Belling-Blackmore wouldn’t want to clear up this situaiton asap? Can
you? It’s not prom week yet, is it?

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I recently had the pleasure of attending a meeting of the National
Alliance on Sept 20, 1996 in the VFW Hall in Pompton Lakes, New Jersey.
David Irving was the featured speaker, but I am not allowed to post a
transcript of his speech on the internet (under pain of lawsuit, per Mr.
Irving.) But I can post the transcription of the meeting, since it was
a public gathering.

[Billed to start at 8 pm, began at 9:30. Admission $10, asked in parking
lot not to bring camera and again at door. Purse searched. Asked for
first name and initial and whether I was a member of National Alliance.]

[Introduction by National Alliance member ‘Butch” or Rich? (did not get
his full name on tape):]
. . .I want to thank you for coming here tonight to support the men
and women of the National Alliance. I thank you for coming here and
supporting David Irving and his work.

[applause]

With the enemies he’s been making lately he needs all the support he can
get right now. Most of all I want to thank each and every one of you for
coming here to support tonight because we’re living in an age where
it’s not very fashionable–it’s not very popular to support the truth,
so I thank you all for the decision you made to come here tonight and
support this event. I want to go over a few items real quick. Despite
tonight’s ban on cameras there’s always one person in a crowd who by
their nature or–are lawbreakers, if anyone has been <?> enough to bring
a camera in their purse or wherever, I just ask you to be considerate
enough not to take pictures during the lecture. We are videotaping it,
we’d like a nice quality video tape , flashes would disrupt the picture.
Please wait until afterwards and people who would like their picture
taken with David Irving will have it done later. For the few individuals
that I have permitted to bring pictures in, please do not take pictures
during the lecture. Also I’ve attended several of these types of
lectures in the past and there’s always someone who prepares a monologe
to be delivered in the question and answer portion of the speech. Please
keep your questions short, to the point, and make sure they are
relevant. We don’t want to bore anybody. My suggustion to these would be
to rent a hall and have your own speech–lemmee know when it’s going to
be.

[Laughter]

Now that I’ve got those unpleasant matters aside, in order to schedule
tonights speech we’ve had to cancel the National Alliance’s regular
monthly meeting so that we can pull this off. For the sake of keeping
our members and our supporters updated we’re first going ot have a
report on business for the National Alliance work in our area by the NY
metropolitan coordinator, Jim McKenna.

[Applause]

[Jim McKenna:] In accordance with National Alliance business meeting
protocols we will now call the roll. Members please answer “here.”

Charles A, NY
Jerry B New York
Michael B New York
Donna C New York
Gail H New York
Lorraine J New York
Rich L New Jersey
Greg S Pennsylvania
Charles W New York
Mark W New York

[Note: Four loud screaming Aryan babies in background]

Mark R New Jersey
Joe D New Jersey
Tom G New York
Sean ? P New Jersey
Mark S New York
Tony Z New Jersey
Rob H Pennsylvania
John O Pennsylvania
Tom S Pennsylvania
Amon M New Jersey
Joe K New York
Jim S New York
Member and POW Richard catari (sp? Scitari?)
[Audience yells ‘present’ in unison]
Revilo P Oliver
[here]
William Daley Simpson
[here]
Robert J Matthews
[here]

I’m going to keep this brief in light of the number of guests here
tonight, but there are a number of issues to cover. One mention to
guests that we make at all of our meetings, and that is that everything
we put forth is thoroughly reseached. We stand behind all that we are
and we invite your questions. We invite the challenge of your questions.
So after the meeting, if there’s time and you have such quesitons, Rich
is available. I am avaiable to answer such questions as far as what our
beliefs are specifically, the goals we wish to acheive as well as the
strategy and tactics how we wish to achieve them. There will be a metal
table set up in the f ront for people who have questions, who would
like more specific literature regarding membership <garbled?> the
literature table will be completed by the time this meeting is over. For
future meetings such as these where we have guest speakers as well as
ongoing monthly meetings which guests always come away from feeling
refilled with life, so to speak, to meet with people who think as they
do, speak forthrightly about things they believe, are not afraid to say
it in public. There will be a list if you wish to be involved, and it
will be done on what I call a plain brown wrapper–mainly you do not
wish the Alliance as a return address. There will be quite a number of
engagments such as David Irving in the future. Now to business and I
will keep it brief:

Nov 9, Cleveland is hosting a European-American festival with German
dancers, irish dancers, folksingers. We will be trying to coordinate a
bus, perhaps from the New York-New Jersey area for those of you wishing
to go on that. There will be a list at the New York table where you can
provide your name and say that you wish to do so, so this way we know
what size van to get whether it’s a charter bus, van, what have you.

Oct 5-8 our affectionate term for outward bound, namely our wilderness
school is kicking off from Oct 5-8. Mem are invited to place ont he list
although you will rec a mailing. I do ask that those members do put
their names on a list so we will have an idea about head count so we can
arrange for transportation, will be in upstate New York and there will
be a number of instructors of basic survival as well as a number of
other worthwhile skills.

I just want to mention American Dissident Voices is now on video
available for cable access. Tampa unit is providing those tapes at cost
and they are currently running 60 hours a month of American Dissident
Voices on their cable access. Needless to say, response in the Tampa
area is profound. Their message unit is ringing off the hook. Phone
calls–positive phone calls are coming in hourly. Also we would like to
see these ADV cable access videos placed in the New York-New
Jersey-Connecticut-Pennsylvania areas. And those wishing to sponsor them
please see me after the meeting or get in touch with me to let me know
you’re interested in doing so.

Last, people, for New York, I would like to offer my thanks to those
members who are involved in “Operation Stronghold” in New York City and
the outlying areas who are distributing literature weekly. It is
probably the largest distribution of literature in the United States
right now and is already garnering much worthwhile response. Also
operation sticker which Jerry B inititated. I would like to thank all
those involved with that. For those of you here, the Heritage calendar
is still in the works so any of those of you with a background in
history and worthwhile dates, and offer some of your knowledge, Dr.
Pierce has asked that we assign specifically for each day with the year
to denote something in history. For those of you, obviously there’s a
pool of knowledge here that can’t be reached in many other areas so we
asked if you wish to submit you can do it through the mails through our
pos toffice boxes or get in touch with Rich. See him after the meeting.

Got too much coffee today–no dinner

Now I’d like to say just a few words before I give Butch the lectern,
the podium back. I’d like to say a few words about why we are gathered
here tonight. Now it’s obvioulsy true that Mr. Irving is a distinguished
historian and author and deserves such attention and respect.
Unfortunately for Mr. Irving his unbiased reporting of history of a
particularly vile race of shreikers and spitters, whose name I need not
mention.

[Audience titters and makes comments to each other.]

Far be it, the attendance here is well deserved but this National
Alliance meeting and others like it around the country and parts of
Europe, the weekly ADV broadcasts, the National Alliance internet sites,
the men and women of David Irving’s calibar, Jared Taylor’s caliber,
Kevin Strom’s caliber, Dr. Pierce’s caliber and a host of others taking
a stand for truth–but all these and more represent a revolutionary
shift in how people think. We’re here tonight representing just a very
small part of that shift. The lies and hipocracy have become too
blatant, even to the less senstive of our bretheren. The lies and
hipocracy heaped on us daily by the media and our politicians has become
too much. Recently, I wrote “corrupt politicians” but I realize the
redunancy in that phrase.

[Laughter]

Now from this cesspool of degredation rises themen and women of the
National Alliance and others of like mind. With one simple demand–the
truth. So when this night is over and you’ve enjoyed fresh air and truth
and honesty, I’d like you to understand that you’ve experienced
something that is not confined to these four walls. The demand for truth
is spreading out across the state and nation and the world. If nothing
else I would like you to rememeber one thing when you leave here
tonight. When you walk out those doors this quest for truth is not over.
it has only just begun. Thank you very much.

[Applause]

Next speaker no name: I know we’ve gotten a late start so I’ll take my
speech and throw it in the waste paper basket. I‘d like to introduce my
next speaker Mr. David Irving. Let’s have a big hand.

[Applause, whistles, standing ovation, “Bravo”]

Mr. Irving’s speech not posted
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Brian Smith wrote:
>
> ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:
>
> >>>BFD. If only a million Jooos are murdered, *why* make a stink about
> >>>it?
>
> >Answer the question.
>
> Number one, the Holocaust claims Germans TRIED to exterminate Jews,
> which is a lie. They was never issued any order or any plan or intent
> to exterminate Jews. However, the Germans WERE working with the Jews
> to secure them in Palestine and Hitler allowed them to emigrated with
> their wealth to Palestine. This was going on from 1934- 1939. It was
> also well-known that Germany’s wish was to get Jews out of Europe, the
> “final solution.” However, the hoaxsters have claimed this final
> solution meant “extermination”! That is a lie. Millions of people
> of every side of the war died. However, only JEWS have fostered the
> HOAX that Germans tried to exterminate them. Zyklon B, the so-called
> “Gas chamber death gas” was in fact, only an insecticide to kill
> typhus bear lice to help SAVE the lives of the inmates of the labor
> camps!!
>
You still haven’t answered the question, Brian–You admit that at least
a million Jews were murdered, right? Is this a good thing in your eyes?

Also, you seem to be under the delusion that all Jews killed during the
Holocaust were killed by homicidal gas chamber in Birkenau using
Zyklon-B (HCN) gas. The numbers are actually more like this:

[From appendix III of Raul Hilberg’s “The Destruction of the
European Jews” (available through most public and University library
systems).
STATISTICAL RECAPITULATION OF JEWISH DEAD
(by operation)

Area of mobile killing operations: 1,400,000
tabulated dead (900,000)
untabulated dead (500,000)=
unreported by Einsatzgruppen (150,000?)
Higher SS and police leaders and BdS GG (100,000)
Army killings, PW killings and operations by anti-
partisan units (100,000)
Ghetto dead (100,000)
death of fleeing Jews (50,000?)
Area of deportations: 3,700,000
Killed in camps (including Transnistria) (3,000,000)
ghetto and aggravated deaths (700,000)

TOTAL >5,100,000

Also, Brian, recent developments in the former USSR have uncovered more
data, which, I have heard, indicates that these figures are
under-calculated by 250,000-500,000.

If you prefer to read factual evidence of what REALLY happened try this
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The Bok wrote:
>
> > The National Alliance stands for the natural aristocracy of life,
> while you want to force “equality” to make even the lowest scum equal
> to the good and rightious.
>
I just can’t get over the mental image of all us white folk dancing to
“polka, reels and jigs”. What would you do if we didn’t want to dance?
Or worse, if we accidently began to wiggle our hips a little!?

“You WILL dance!” <bang> “Dance, for the good of the white people!!”
<bang bang>
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Ed LaBonte wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says…
> >
> >Allen Cochrum ([email protected]) wrote:
> >: Fr. John W. Morris wrote:
> >
> >: > There is no historical evidence that Hitler had any Jewish blood.
> >: >
> >: > Fr. John +
> >
> >: Hitler was part Jew from his Fathers side,but Hitler hated his father
> >: because He was a womanizer,a wife beater, and a stereotypical greedy
> >: Jew.
> >
> >There’s STILL no historical evidence that Hitler had any Jewish
> >blood. Document your statement, please, Mr. Cochrum.
>
> There’s plenty of evidence, but no absolute proof. Hitler’s father’s mother,
> named Schickelgruber, was a maid in the house of a wealthy Jew. She
> became pregnant with Alois (Hitler’s father) while she was employed there> and unmarried.
Now maybe the father was someone other than her
> employer but he is the most obvious candidate.
> —

Oh, yeah, right–like any woman who works in a Jewish household is in
danger of becoming inpregnated with a bastard child!

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[applause]

[Laughter]

[Applause]

[Jim McKenna:] In accordance with National Alliance business meeting
protocols we will now call the roll. Members please answer “here.”

Charles A, NY
Jerry B New York
Michael B New York
Donna C New York
Gail H New York
Lorraine J New York
Rich L New Jersey
Greg S Pennsylvania
Charles W New York
Mark W New York

[Note: Four loud screaming Aryan babies in background]

Got too much coffee today–no dinner

[Audience titters and makes comments to each other.]

[Laughter]

[Applause]

[Applause, whistles, standing ovation, “Bravo”]

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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> I always get a chuckle out of the National Alliance Klones and
> their contempt for their intended victims, those white folks
> they claim to revere, while, at the same time, saying that
> these same folks can’t protect themselves, can’t think for
> themselves, and can’t survive without help. That _anyone_
> joins such an openly cynical bunch of fruitloops tells you all
> you need to know about anyone who joins 🙂

Talk about contempt for white folks, here is the NA program for an
“Aryan Society” off the NA web page:
BEGIN EXCERPT
We must have new societies throughout the White world which are based on
Aryan
values and are compatible with the Aryan nature. We do not need to
homogenize thc
White world: there will be room for Germanic societies, Celtic
societies, Slavic
societies, Baltic societies, and so on, each with its own roots,
traditions, and language.What we must have, however, is a thorough
rooting out of Semitic and other non-Aryanvalues and customs everywhere.
We must once again provide the sort of social andspiritual environment
in which our own nature can express itself in music, in art and
architecture, in literature, in philosophy and scholarship, in the mass
media, and in thelife-styles of the people.

In specific terms, this means a society in which young men and women
gather to revel
with polkas or waltzes, reels or jigs, or any other White dances, but
never to undulate orjerk to negroid jazz or rock rhythms. It means pop
music without Barry Manilow and art
galleries without Marc Chagall. It means films in which the appearance
of any non-White
face on the screen is a sure sign that what’s being shown is either
archival newsreel
footage or a historical drama about the bad, old days. It means
neighborhoods, schools,
work groups, and universities in which there is a feeling of family and
comradeship, of ashared heritage and a shared destiny. It means a sense
of rootedness, which in turn
engenders a sense of responsibility and energizes a moral compass, so
that people
once again know instinctively what is wholesome and natural and what is
degenerate
and alien. It means spiritual feeling coming from the soul and
unencumbered by
superstition or dogma, soaring free and reaching far above today ‘s
priest-ridden,
church-bound spirituality.
END EXCERPT

Can you image a bunch of white kids bopping to the hot happenin’ sounds
of Smenge’s Polka Stompers? Oh, yeah–that’ll go over BIG!

SO we have a group that is hiding under the banner of freedom of speech
to dictate what we can or cannot say once they assume power and create a
‘white utopia’.
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Richard Kann wrote:
>
> It comes as news to me that the KKK, Nazi, Aryan Nation, and National
> Alliance types are claiming to be tied to and working with the militias.
> They seem to be hitting the bottle too much!
>
> As a militia commander and public relations liaison for the
> Constitutional Mililtia of Florida representing over 50 regiments here
> in the state, and having met and talked to other commanders all around
> this state, the ONLY CONNECTION THAT EXISTS IS IN THEIR DREAMS! We have
> signed the Alabama Declaration condemning any racist actions or groups.
> Our group has a standing policy to not only ban such people from our
> group but to also turn their names over to proper authorities.
>
> The members of our groups consist of all races, creeds, and religions
> because we know we must band together to fight tyranny and injustice. We
> know we must hang togeter or we will surely hang separate.
>
> I sincerely beleive that either these maggots that belong to such
> racist groups must be on drugs or plants by the government or media to
> make the real militia units look bad. Well, I’m sorry guys your plot
> failed. WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE. Maybe you should head down into the
> sewer where your ideas belong.
>
> Rick Kann
> Commander
> 19th Regiment
> Constitutional Militia of Florida

Well, Rick–the NA has definitely targeted the militia movement as a
likely recruiting ground. There is something about both the militia
movement and the Neo-Nazi movement that seems to attract like-minded
souls.
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Brian Smith wrote:
>
> “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >SO we have a group that is hiding under the banner of freedom of speech> >to dictate what we
can or cannot say once they assume power and create a> >’white utopia’.
>
> Jews have made AMERICA a virtual Jewish utopia!! Jews have American
> slaves providing them free arms deals and BILLIONS of dollars every
> year! Jews control the media and enforce THEIR values!! Jews seized
> Arab land by FORCE which they continue to ethnically “cleanse” Arabs
> of, gunning down Palestinian kids with slingshots!! Yet I notice how
> silent you are about ISRAEL’S behavior!!! And it’s all JUSTIFIED
> because “Jews must survive.” !!
>
> My, aren’t WE just a TAD HYPOCRITICAL today!!
>
“WE”? Are you including yourself in that phrase, Brian?

In any case, I’m not Jewish, so I have no vested interest in their
survival–however I do feel strongly that all people are entitled to
survive (even National Alliance collectivists like yourself). But it
sounds like you’re saying you feel entitled to form a dictatorship
because of real or imagined crimes by a third party. I’ll tell you what
I tell my kids: Two wrongs don’t make a right.”
> Brian Smith
> www.natall.com

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