Tom Moran wrote:
>
>
> Jean Claude Pressac is a cited authority on the workings of the
> Holocaust specializing in going over Soviet held German corporate
> records for orders of equipment to Auschwitz. His book on what he
> found, which is said to have taken ten years, is totally based on
> nothing more than piecing together letters between the camp officials
> and corporate repentatives, and shipping manifestos.
>
> He also presents a number of plans that are said to be
> crematoriums, with front, back, end perspectives and elevations, along
> with ground plans. The “crematorium” in Holocaust vernacular literally
> means everything for the process of mass extermination, from gassing
> to cremation.
>
> One should expect that while Pressac was spending his ten years
> in pouring over these records that he should have come across paper
> work and plans for other camps, such as Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno
> and Majdanek.
>
> All we can assume right now by the absence of what should be, is
> that either Pressac found nothing or found something he chose not to
> use.
>
>
Uh–The title of the book you are speaking of is “Auschwitz: Technique
and Operation of the Gas Chambers” Get the hint? The book was about
Auschwitz, not Treblinka, Chelmno of Madjanek. Duh.
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Wed Jan 8 05:43:48 PST 1997
Article: 91718 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!
news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!
news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!207.99.2.242!
news.nac.net!206.20.179.40
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews, kikes really, and alt.revisionism
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:40:06 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 40
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <32d07c8b[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
To: william c anderson <[email protected]>
william c anderson wrote:
>
> Doc Marten ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : These folks with their rolling and raging obscenities, their
> : penile fixations, unifiormly demonstrate they some clear but unspoken
> : agenda, to defend all the mutually exclusive stories about their
> : favorite holocaust. And they demonstrate they will do this despite
> : revealing themselves as kike-mouthed animals. These are the very
> : height, the zenith, the ultimate that holocaust defense has to offer.
>
> It’s possible that “Doc Marten” is referring to “rolling and
> raging obscenities” like those contained in this post:
>
> “Right on, fat broad. Do you have do clean up McVay with
> your lips also? What a stupid and fat broad. If you are
> interested in the dictionary it is right there before
> fatbroad. The only way you got your title is by laying
> McVay and you know it. You have no other qualifications.
> You contribute nothing. You accept only sperm from a thing.”
>
> Now, I certainly agree with “Doc Marten” that stuff like this
> cannot but issue from a mind with the maturity of a twelve-year-
> old, combined with the emotional instability of a sociopath in
> the late stages of terminal alcoholism. Anybody who would write
> this sort of vile garbage and post it to a public newsgroup is,
> as “Doc Marten” suggests, reprehensible beyond my power to describe.
>
> Only trouble is, I can’t remember which “holohugger” wrote the filth
> quoted above. Can anybody help me out with this one?
>
> Bill
That was Matt Giwer in one of his better moods . . . Charming, isn’t
he??
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Wed Jan 8 16:18:36 PST 1997
Article: 91801 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!freenet.unbc.edu!news.scn.org!
news.abs.net!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!
news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.41
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Menorah Light Up
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:38:53 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 28
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca control:213708 soc.culture.europe:53092 alt.activism:110980
alt.conspiracy:129731 alt.discrimination:59998 alt.politics.white-power:55150
alt.politics.nationalism.white:42739 alt.skinheads:48302 alt.religion.islam:38227 alt.revisionism:91801
Troy Varange wrote:
>
> > *There actually was a Menorah in Washnigton DC and NYC
> >
> > Where? On the White House lawn, in front of the capital
> > building and in Rockefeller Center? Were they all lit in
> > highly publicized ceremonies? I don’t remember ever seeing
> > anything about a menorah lighting ceremony… or even the
> > existence of a menorah… in any of those places. That’s not
> > to deny they exist, simply to point out that it doesn’t get
> > even half the attention that the Christmas tree’s existence
> > and lighting get.
>
> Oh Kate! I promise to take you to the next Graham Menorah in
> Union Square if you promise to give me one of your wet kisses
> that Sara always gives me.
>
Union Square in Washington DC? I’ve been to Union Square–it’s a
shopping mall. Technically it’s IN Wahsingotn DC, but I’d hardly call
it an important part of our nation’s heritage!
And, no–I won’t kiss you so don’t ask . . .
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Thu Jan 9 08:38:38 PST 1997
Article: 91945 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!
news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!
206.20.179.44
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews, kikes really, and alt.revisionism
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:44:13 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 47
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <5b00lq$h[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> Allison Tait wrote:
> >
> > Doc Marten ([email protected]) wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > : That is lower case jews as they are not Jews but kikes. Kikes
> > : are to Jews as Niggers are to Blacks; ask a Jew and ask a Black.
> I am dismayed that you didn’t get the intention of this! Typical knee
> jerk liberal!
>
> >
> > Actually those are bigoted terms used for centuries to deride and offend
> > Black people and Jews. Unless you are planning to re-write the English
> > language, the people who read your posts will assume that you are using
> > racist and antisemitic language because you *are* a racist and
> > antisemite. Any non-bigoted person would not deride and offend a group
> > of people just to insult the individual(s) they are angry with.
> >
> > The daycare I worked at was sensitive and advanced enough in their
> > teaching techniques that I doubt most of the children would even know
> > what “kike” means. However, we did have a few “potty-mouth” epidemics.
> > I found that the children who used such inflammatory language did so out
> > of a desire for attention. Mr Doc Marten, if you feel that people aren’t
> > listening to you, I assure you that there are better ways of getting
> > attention than to spout a stream of offensive language.
>
> Excuse me but may I ask- is everybody in Canada a liberal socialist? You
> all seem to get so offended by the word kike but your feathers are never
> ruffled at what the Yids call us Southern Boys. Have you ever paid
> attention to what the Jooos have called us or is Canada one big
> Jerusalem of the west?
>
> Doc Tavish speakin’ up fer Doc Marten
Tavish–calling people ‘Yids” and “kikes” is completely inapproriate–in
any country. I wish you’d stop it. It makes you look like a jerk and
is offensive.
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Thu Jan 9 13:29:13 PST 1997
Article: 91971 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cwix!uunet!in1.uu.net!207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.44
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why is “Holocaust Denial” a bad thing?
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:41:53 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 32
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<5aupho$9v[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
Elothem wrote:
>
> On 7 Jan 1997 16:25:28 -0800, [email protected] (Ken McVay
> OBC) wrote in alt.revisionism:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> >
> > “Thank you. Please see my reply to Doc Marten’s post
> > somewhere else on this thread.”
> >
> >Mr. Giwer is talking to himself again?
>
> Not likely, silly synagogue front.
>
> Considering what you folks have done …
>
> =====
>
> The URL, the mail drop, and the synagogue phoone numbers
And your point is . . .?
Are you saying that the fact that McVay works with others maintaining an
educational database, that he doesn’t post his home address (would YOU?)
and the fact that he allows a friendly synogoge to take phone messages
make him a BAD PERSON? Honestly?
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Sat Jan 11 07:21:50 PST 1997
Article: 92144 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dciteleport.com!
feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!
207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.46
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: be my friend
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:51:40 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 27
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
ChuckF2323 wrote:
>
> ubject: would you be my friend?
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:30:41
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
> Hello,
>
> I’m 14 years old and I think I may be a gay. I’m looking for some support
> and friendship
> with a older male age 18-40. Please email if you can help.
>
> Look for a turkey named J. Belling AKA Blackmore, he just might be able to
> help, if he didn’t write this sick shit.
>
> Chuck
This same spam sandwich has been posted in every newsgroup–probably the
cops looking for some stupid perverts to bust.
>
> IF THE DENIERS CAN’T PROVE IT…THEN THEY LIE
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Sun Jan 12 06:34:23 PST 1997
Article: 92405 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!
n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!uunet!in2.uu.net!207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.43
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads
Subject: David Irving’s close personal friendship with the National Alliance
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:24:45 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 578
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:92405 alt.politics.white-power:55508
alt.politics.nationalism.white:43174 alt.skinheads:48704
A RESPONSE TO DAVID IRVING
by ANNIE ALPERT
(Note, a copy of this has been sent to Mr Irivng via snail mail (he does
not have an e-mail account), lest anyone think I am speaking unfairly
behind his back.)
David Irving’s Action Report #11 dated December 18, 1996 is available on
the CODOH page, <http://www.codoh.com/irving/irvactrprt197.html>. I
attended one of the events Mr. Irving describes in his “Radical’s Diary”
section of Action Report #11, and have a few comments on parts of the
report.
I attended a speech by Mr. Irving in Pompton Plains, New Jersey on
Friday, September 29, 1996. The event was sponsored by the New York/New
Jersey Metropolitan Area of the National Alliance. The National
Alliance charged each attendee $10. It is unusual, in my opinion, that
Mr. Irving did not mention this in his Action Report when he described
the event and my attendance there.
The National Alliance is William Pierce’s self-described
‘white-separatist’ organization. Some would call them Neo-Nazi–a term
which the National Alliance itself doesn’t like–but the National
Alliance literature espouses “National Socialism” as the preferred form
of government, and many would arguable call that a “Nazi” position.
David Irving spoke at a regular monthly meeting of the group on more
than one occasion. On this day he spoke with a large National Alliance
flag as a backdrop.
Mr. Irving writes in his Action Report “diary”–a loose collection of
daily occurrences, thoughts and observations:
“. . . I drive up the New Jersey Turnpike the next day through more
teeming rain, arriving at Newark 9 p.m. But the hotels there are full,
so I have to drive around and it is half past eleven before I finally
find one, in the middle of nowhere, at Pompton Plains, New Jersey.
Exhausted. Straight to bed.”
COMMENTARY
Pompton Plains is a small, deary blue-collar suburb of Patterson and the
location of the VFW Hall where the lecture Irving was scheduled. He is
apparently writing about events of Sept 19, the day before his scheduled
9/20 appearance on behalf of the National Alliance.
“The local newspaper The Record reports under the unappealing headline
[sic] that the hall has
canceled the booking for our Friday meeting under pressure from a female
the newspaper
identifies as a local Jewess, Andrea Pason of Hackensack (“a local
activist in liberal causes”).”
COMMENTARY
The ‘unappealing headline’ Mr Irving mistakenly disincluded was
“Neo-Nazi Group Calls Off Meeting in Elmwood Park.” The article was by
Peggy O’Crowley, staff writer Bergen Record That article appeared in the
Record on 091896 (Thursday before the National Alliance appearance). It
is reproduced here as Appendix 1 with Ms O’Crowley’s kind permission.
The meeting location had to be changed because of a story about the hall
that appeared in the Bergen Record, “Little Clubhouse of the Far Right
Hall is a Haven for Unpopular Views” by O’Crowley, on Saturday,
09/14/96. Reproduced here as Appendix 2. I had the articles faxed to me
by the Bergen Record and spoke with the author of the article.
Also, Mr Irving miscatagorizes Ms Pason’s involvement in the affair. Ms.
Pason, you’ll note is not “identified’ in the article as a “local
Jewess”–she is described as “. . . Pason, who is Jewish.” The word
Jewess, is perhaps a nit-picky compliant on my part, but this kind of
petty name-calling is really scurrilous of Mr Irving, in my opinion. In
addition, he doesn’t have the facts right. The lecture had to be moved
because a few days before, Ms. O’Crowley wrote an article about the
Elmwood Park meeting hall, and the owners asked them to go somewhere
else. The Elmwood Hall location is the regular location of the National
Alliance meetings and has had trouble before with speakers (see
article.) Ms. O’Crowley’s publicity so alarmed the owners of the hall,
they canceled Mr Irving’s appearance. Ms Pason is merely quoted in the
article. Also, to be fair, the Elmwood Hall only holds about 35-40
people at best, and would have been way too small for the number of
people who responded to the National Alliance’s advertisements.
Mr Irving continues:
“There is however a back-up hall. The organizer says that Ms Pason is a
noted drug-abuser and
bi-sexual. How appealing. He mentions that he is getting phone callers
trying to get information
on Friday’s meeting. Among them one “Albert Rich,” whose number is
however listed by Bell
Atlantic under his real name, Israel Richter.”
COMMENTARY:
I don’t know Ms Pason and her number is unpublished, so I couldn’t get
her side of this, but the source of this ‘information’ is obviously
members of the local National Alliance chapter. Pretty tacky gossip, if
you ask me. I sure would like to know how the National Alliance knows
that Ms Pason is a bi-sexual and/or drug abuser. I would also like to
know what that has to do with the matter at hand.
Also we discover from this paragraph that the National Alliance checked
up on the phone numbers of people who left requests for information on
the National Alliance answering machine. Makes me wonder how _I_ passed
muster, with a Jewish-sounding name and all. Israel Richter wasn’t
acceptable, it appears. Strangely enough, I didn’t even LEAVE a number
when _I_ called. I told the answering machine that I wasn’t comfortable
leaving that kind of info on a strange machine and hung up. The phone
rang soon afterwards and a young man said he got my number from caller
ID! That was a little alarming. In our conversation, the man said that
the NATIONAL ALLIANCE would not publish the address on the Internet
because ‘David’ didn’t want any publicity from ‘media lackeys’ and they
would only release the location 48 hours before so people wouldn’t have
time to mobilize any trouble. They only want a nice evening of a speech
and quiet togetherness, he told me. I asked why Irving didn’t want
publicity, and my caller said the press always gets it wrong. For
instance, they call Irving a ‘denier’ instead of a ‘truth-seeker’. I
left my name and number and was called back with directions to the
lecture on Thursday 9/18–the VFW Hall in Pompton Plains.
The National Alliance obviously didn’t want the reporter for the Bergen
Record to know where the lecture would be. She told me left a number of
requests for the new location of the lecture on the National Alliance
machine and was not called back.
Mr Irving continues:
“. . . I drive over into Manhattan for lunch with Steve Wasserman, a
wiry, intelligent, beardy-weirdy type of Jewish editor; it was he who
phoned me in London a few days after the SMP [St. Martin’s Press]
débâcle in April and asked if Random House could take up the U.S. rights
in the GOEBBELS biography. Unfortunately, as he now describes to me,
although Jason Epstein and other editors there strongly favoured taking
the book over, it met with another obstacle which he does not identify
to me. He is willing to do what he still can. He asks if he can also see
NUREMBERG.
I rubberneck around Manhattan until 5 p.m., then meet Don F. at The
Viking Press-he was the
editor who originally commissioned GOEBBELS while at Atheneum. He is
still young, keen,
blue-eyed, mild-mannered. He too wants to see NUREMBERG, and hopes to be
able to
persuade his chief, a Mrs Grossmann, to take over GOEBBELS despite all
the fuss-“a slim
chance,” he admits. The New York Review of Books article has helped
them all.
I leave New York later than planned, around 7 p.m., and drive straight
over the Hudson
river to the New Jersey meeting, arriving at 8 p.m. . . .”
COMMENTARY: selective recollection here–Mr Irving arrived at the
ungodly hour of 9:30 for a lecture billed to begin at 8 PM.
“. . . Large audience, about 150. . .”
COMMENTARY: More like 85-90 by my count, but, hey, who’s counting?
“. . . including one Annie Alpert who identifies herself at the end as a
representative of the Nizkor project, the Holocaust
revisionist-monitoring (watch that word, “monitoring”!) outfit on the
Internet. Some body says she was spotted using a midget tape recorder.
They’re incorrigible.”
COMMENTARY: That part’s nearly right–I WAS there with a tape recorder.
I have health problems that make it difficult for me to take extensive
notes. The tape recorder was placed on the floor at Mr Irving’s feet, in
full view. I wonder, though–who is it that Mr. Irving thinks is
‘incorrigible? Perhaps Mr. Irving is under the mistaken assumption that
I am Jewish? I’m not. Or does he mean Nizkor? Women? Or Annie Alperts?”
I never used the word ‘monitoring,’in reference to Nizkor, though–nor
do consider myself a ‘monitor.’ After the lecture, I introduced
myself. “Hi, I’m Annie Alpert. I’m a friend of Jamie McCarthy from
Nizkor.” I also spent an outrageous $45 (by check with my name and
address on it) on a signed copy of Mr Irving’s book, ‘Goebbels’.)
“Oh, do you correspond with him on the Internet? They are everywhere,
aren’t they?” he asked. I had the impression he thought I was a National
Alliance sympathizer at that point.
“I work with the Nizkor Project,” I said.
“Really? Work with them? What does that mean? Are you an employee?” he
asked stiffly.
“Well, actually, I’m more of a ‘friend’ of Nizkor. They have no
employees. I use their data base and write for them,.” I said. He signed
my book and we left cordially. Days later got a letter from Mr Irving at
my home address threatening me with legal action if I posted a
transcript of his speech to the Internet. (I also got many several
anonymous prank calls in the week after the lecture.)
I also got strange e-mail letter from someone identified only as ‘Ann
Dalty” (See Appendix 3) I later discovered that Ms. Dalty is an official
of the National Alliance although she was not at the lecture in NJ. Why
she chose to track down my e-mail ID and send me that is still unknown.
I asked David Irving about it in a letter, and asked him to inform Ms
Dalty of the truth of the matter, but I haven’t had a response yet. She
apparently felt justified in acting as a representative of Mr. Irving.
Mr Irving:
“I learn that Ms Alpert posted a triumphalist item on the Internet about
the Jersey meeting, having found out the secret venue, and invited
others to contact her to learn it and attend. . .”
COMMENTARY: I have a problem with the idea that this was a ‘secret
venue’. Is Mr. Irving in the habit of giving ‘secret’ lectures? The
event was published in many publications, and all the attendees were not
members of the National Alliance. We all paid the same $10. Also the
original location was published in the press and I only knew about the
lecture because Ernst Zundel’s pal, Ingrid Rimland, wrote about it in
her internationally distributed daily “ZundelGram”:
She wrote:
“. . . So if you have a chance to hear David Irving in person, don’t
miss it. For further information, e-mail to [email protected] Here
are two more lectures to add to the previous itinerary I sent out:
September 20th 7 P.M. New Jersey Richard 201 697 1011
September 21st 3 P.M. New Hampshire Ken 603 547 2208”
As an aside, Greg Raven of the Institute for Historical Review was might
surprised when I e- mailed him asking for information about the lecture.
He sent me a curt reply that neither he nor the IHR had anything to do
with Mr Irving’s lectures. Oh well, it won’t be the first time that
Ingrid got something wrong.
“. . . Also that a Mr Rich Grange is claiming on the Net to be a friend
of mine (I don’t know him) and to have attended the Costa Mesa function,
of which he has posted a garbled and wrongful account on the Net.”
He means Rich Graves, of course–a person who posts regularly on
alt.revisionism. It seems the National Alliance is keeping pretty close
tabs on the Internet. Mr Graves never claimed to be a friend of irving’s
to my knowledge. Merely to have attended the lecture in California.
MISCELLANEOUS CONSIDERATIONS
It appears that Mr Irving’s connection with the National Alliance runs
deep. I understand that a writer is not responsible for the political
affiliations of those who hire him to speak, but if my core audience was
made up mainly of self-proclaimed Nazis, racists, and xenophobics I
would have to ask myself, “What am I doing wrong here?” Mr Irving, on
the other hand, seems to embrace his allure to society’s
disenfranchised. In addition to speaking on the behalf of the NATIONAL
ALLIANCE, he makes a number of references in his Action Report to
“calling on our friends in NJ” to do Bell computer searches on folks’
telephone numbers. I also have to point out that Mr Irving is not above
lying about his connections with Neo-Nazis. Here is an example:
TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH DAVID IRVING – RADIO STATION 2BL (SYDNEY,
AUSTRALIA) “AM” PROGRAMME FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 8, 1996
REPORTER: You’ve been banned from Canada, as you mentioned
earlier, in fact
I think in 1992 the Canadian’s Secretary of State described your views
as
abhorrent and as an incitement to racism and you were later declared
persona non gratia, there. But you did choose to enter Canada illegally
and were arrested while giving a speech to Neo-Nazis, apparently at a
Chinese restaurant.
You’ve also ignored bans imposed on you by some countries in Europe. If
Australia does refuse you entry, will you choose to come here by stealth
anyway?
IRVING: Oh, no. Good Lord. I’m a great believer in abiding by the law
and
I don’t give speeches to Neo-Nazis. The audiences who come to attend my
talks in restaurants or in private halls or whatever, they’re middle
aged
people, usually respectable gentlemen and their wives wearing collars
and
ties and eating with knives and forks. No jack boots on site, no
skinheads, no Nazi flags. This is just a picture that is concocted by
my
enemies to try and make me unappetising.”
NOTE: This was just two months after the National Alliance appearance
when he appeared at the lecture in NJ standing in front of the National
Alliance Flag. Elderly couples? Yes. Jack boots? Yes. Skinheads? Yes.
Compare that to this comment later in his ‘Diary’:
“Drive down to Richmond for a television interview at a small public
access television station. I
insist that the Confederate flag backdrop be removed. S. needs to be
shot, sucking me into
something like that.”
This tells us that Mr. Irving understands the ramifications of appearing
before a controversial backdrop. Why the Confederate Flag was
unacceptable, while the National Alliance flag was not, is a mystery to
me! Also the event I attended was videotaped by the National Alliance.
In his ‘Diary,’ Mr Irving talks about a speech he made in New Hampshire:
“At once launch into the talk to a small audience in a garden marquee,
about seventeen people.
Three of them are making videotapes, a practice which I dislike. I hear
that various bodies are
offering large rewards on the Net for such a video record of my talks.
Unlimiteded [sic] funds!”
Now, I’ve never heard of such a bounty for Mr Irving’s speeches, but
weirdly enough, full audio transcripts of Irving appearances are
available at a number of Internet locations–all of them run by
Holocaust deniers and the Institute of Historical Review sells a video
presentation of his appearance at their convention and the National
Alliance has a full record of his lecture in NJ. Refer to:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/
http://http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/David-Irving_html/
And until Mr Irving complained: Classified ad section of Fenix Mall web
page http://www.smartnet.net/~fbooks/index.html
A FINAL NOTE
Mr. Irving writes:
“In the evening I download the disc that J. T. has sent me, full of
stinking garbage about me that
he has shed out of the Internet, including a totally fictitious account
by one David Katz of a
speech by me in Johannesburg, including talk by me of “niggers” etc.
That is a word I have
never used in my whole life: but I imagine that the South African Katz’s
of this world have more
than once.”
The “Nigger” remark is apparently from: EXTRACTS FROM A LECTURE TOUR
GIVEN BY DAVID IRVING IN JOHANNESBURG SOUTH AFRICA 1987 by David Katz
[email protected] posted February 29, 1996:
<https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/I/irving.david/south.africa/johannesburg-lecture>
The speech took place sometime in 1987, according to Mr. Katz, at the
Auckland Park Moth Hall. “The purpose of his lecture was to launch his
new book on Churchill titled “Churchills war”. ”
“… The first thing that struck me as being odd was the huge picture of
David Irving placed behind the speakers podium. The picture looked
very Mussolini like with jutting jaw and folded arms. The speaker
congratulated Mr Derby-Lewis on his recent election showing and
commented on how important the Conservative party was to holding off
the threat of niggerisation of the white culture. He complained
bitterly of the “Nigger” problem in the UK and that we must not allow
the same invasion of our white heritage. The speaker proceeded to
discuss his latest book on Churchill interspersed with a credible
impersonation of Mr Churchill…”
Jamie McCarthy asked Mr. Katz about this, and he replied in e-mail:
From: David Katz, [email protected]
To: Jamie McCarthy, [email protected]
I will keep this brief and simple. I took notes at Mr Irving’s lecture
in
Johannesburg while he was talking. I stand by all that I have said in my
letter to you in February 1996. My notes were not a complete rendition
of
what Mr Irving said but rather a brief synopsis of his somewhat more
startling comments. Mr Irving did use the word “nigger” and derivatives
thereof much to the amusement and loud applause of the audience. I am
amused that Mr Irving finds this particular remark about “Niggers” to be
the sole item in my whole letter that is offensive to him. Perhaps he
does
not wish to offend his many black friends. It would be interesting to
find
out wether Mr Irving disagrees with anything else in my letter.
Yours sincerely
David Katz
APPENDIX 1:
Article “Neo-Nazi Group Calls Off Meeting in Elmwood Park” by Peggy
O’Crowley, staff writer Bergen Record, appeared in the Record on 091896.
Reprinted by the kind permission of Ms. O’Crowley:
The National Alliance, a right-wing organization that advocates the
establishment of a, whites- only society, will not meet Friday in an
Elmwood Park hall as previously scheduled, the hall’s owners said.
The owners, the Elmwood Park chapter of the Junior order of United
American Mechanics, said the National-Alliance had canceled its meeting
after an article Saturday in The Record described how several right-wing
groups and controversial speakers had been meeting there.
William Dunkerly, spokesman for the order, said the National Alliance
was moving, to an undisclosed site. The scheduled speaker for Friday’s
meeting was David Irving, a World War II history writer whose
books-maintain that Adolph Hitler was not responsible for the Holocaust
and that gas chambers never were used to exterminate Jews at
concentration camps.
The National-Alliance is “the largest neo-Nazi group in America,”
according to Richard Baudouin of Klanwatch in Montgomery Ala. a group
that monitors activity of the extreme right.
The National Alliance’s leader, William L. Pierce was a former head of
the American Nazi Party and the author of “The Turner Diaries,” a novel
about a right-wing uprising against the government. The book was a
favorite of Timothy McVeigh one of the men accused of blowing up a
federal office building in Oklahoma City last year.
The West Virginia-based National Alliance-has a web site that describes
in detail the group’s views that blacks, Jews, and Hispanics should be
segregated from whites, who should form an “Aryan” society.
Browsers are invited to apply for membership, and members are
encouraged to recruit others in “-cells” and other small groups.
Efforts to reach members of the alliance by telephone were
unsuccessful.
Dunkerly said the order had no idea about the organization’s beliefs.
He said the order still would rent its hall to the alliance because it
is entitled to the constitutional rights of freedom of speech and
freedom of assembly.
“If they do something illegally following their beliefs, that would be
a concern. But taking action against them because we don’t agree with
them, we consider that un-American,” Dunkerly said. “As far as I can
see, they are harmless.”
A local activist in liberal causes, Andrea Pason of Hackensack, said
she was going to organize a protest Friday if members of the alliance
appeared at the hall
Pason protested when a long-time leader of the white separatist
movement, E.R. Fields of the America First Party, appeared at the hall
in May. The order barred Fields from speaking, because members had not
been told that he would be speaking at a regular meeting of the
Constitutionists, a, right-wing group that meets there regularly.
Pason said she was upset by the material she viewed on the National
Alliance website. “They think there’s an entire Jewish conspiracy going
on,” said Pason, who is Jewish.
Dunkerly said his group would not tolerate protesters on the order’s
property. “They can protest, but not on our property. I will got the
police and have them arrested if they are trespassing, “he said.
Dunkerly also objected to a description of the order in The Record’s
article. He specifically referred to a quote from a 1980 reference book,
“The Grand Encyclopedia of American Institutions, Fraternal
Organizations.” The book said the order’s main emphasis in the late 19th
century was “protecting the United States from undesirable foreigners
such as Irish, Germans, and Roman Catholics.”
Dunkerly said the order was never opposed to immigration of specific
groups.
“We have always maintained that immigration should be controlled to
prevent foreign countries from dumping their criminal or mental patients
here, or flooding our labor markets with cheap labor,” Dunkerly said.
END ARTICLE
APPENDIX 2:
Begin article “LITTLE CLUBHOUSE OF THE FAR RIGHT HALL IS A HAVEN FOR
UNPOPULAR VIEWS” By Peggy O’Crowley, staff writer Bergen Record,
Saturday, 09/14/96. Used with her kind permission:
It’s a tiny clubhouse, built decades before Route 80 was carved steps
>from its steps, the relic of a once-thriving fraternal organization that
has dwindled to a handful of elderly men. But the Elmwood Park hall has
become a regular meeting place for right-wing organizations and their
controversial speakers.
The latest organization to sign up to use the hall is the tri-state
chapter of the National Alliance, a white separatist organization
founded by a former, leader of the American Nazi Party. The group has
scheduled a meeting for Friday at the hall, which is run by the Junior
Order of United American Mechanics. Steven Schlett, an officer of the
order, confirmed that the National Alliance has booked the hall.
Among the possible speakers is David Irving, an author who maintains
that Hitler was not responsible for the Holocaust.
“They spew viciously anti-Semitic propaganda with a neo-Nazi theme,”
David Rosenberg, assistant director of the fact-finding Department of
the Anti-Defamation League, said of the National-Alliance. Irving is
promoting Holocaust denial, trying to make it seem like Hitler is OK,”
said Kenneth Stern, a specialist on anti-Semitic and extremist groups
for the American Jewish committee. Stern said he was not surprised to
hear of meetings in North Jersey. “We’re seeing an expansion across the
country,” he said.
The Elmwood Park hall also is a meeting lace for the
Constitutionalists, a group that was host to former Ku Klux Klan leader
David Duke during the presidential campaign in 1988.
The clubhouse also was the site of a scheduled meeting in May of the
Christian Patriot group. The meeting would have featured E. R. Fields,
a longtime leader in the white supremacist movement and head of the
America First Party.
But when The Record reported that Fields was to speak, members of the
mechanics order protested their ignorance of the America First Party and
its agenda and locked Fields out. The group met instead at a nearby
diner.
Elmwood Park Mayor Richard A. Mola said town officials did not know
about the meetings and that he did not believe members of the mechanics
order had any knowledge of the philosophy of the group using the hall.
“The individuals were shocked and canceled the meeting,” he said of the
Fields visit. “These are good American people and patriotic, and I
don’t think they would do anything to offend anybody if they know about
it.”
Mola added that the hall is tiny, with a capacity of about 35 to 40
people and has limited parking, and so it could not be the site of a
large meeting. Groups are charged a $45 fee to use the clubhouse.
Asked whether they are familiar with the white separatist views of the
National Alliance, mechanics President William Dunkerly said his
organization doesn’t require other groups to disclose their beliefs.
“If you were renting the hall, we’re not going to start asking what you
believe in. We’re only concerned with, “Are they going to create
scenes, are they going to damage the hall?” Dunkerly said. “Our
Constitution allows freedom of speech. People aren’t supposed to be
interrogating people as to their beliefs. I have no knowledge of them
doing anything un-American.”
Dunkerly said the National Alliance was recommended by Boris Dzula, a
Clifton resident who organizes meetings of the Constitutionalists. The
reason Fields was locked out of the hall was because Dzula did not tell
Dunkerly that the America First Party leader was going to be there,
Dunkerly said.
“They rented the hall under fictitious reasons, that it was just going
to be a Constitutionalist meeting,” he said.
Dzula denied any knowledge of the National Alliance or the America
First Party.
Alan Shelton, a self-described Jewish activist from Elizabeth who has
been monitoring hate groups in New Jersey for years, including those who
meet in Elmwood Park, questioned how the hall had become a “haven for
neo-Nazis.”
“I find it difficult to believe it is merely a coincidence that
neo-Nazi and other antisemitic movements from throughout New Jersey have
just all decided to rent space at the Elmwood Park. . . hall.” As head
of the Zionist Association of Kean College in 1989, Shelton blocked
Duke’s scheduled appearance in Paramus as a guest of the
Constitutionalists. He also blocked the Fields visit to Elmwood Park.
Shelton said he would rally members of the Jewish community to protest
at the hall if he can determine that the mechanics knew who was renting
it.
He also said the mechanics order itself has roots in the nativist,
anti-immigration climate of the mid-18th century. According to “The
Grand Encyclopedia of American Institutions, Fraternal Organizations,”
written in 1980 by Alvin Schmidt, the Junior Order of United American
Mechanics of the United States of North America Inc. was founded in
1853, and by 1885 it had become an “independent secret society with its
major emphasis directed to protecting the United States from undesirable
foreigners such as the Irish, Germans, and Roman Catholics.”
The organization changed over the years, becoming open to Catholics,
Jews blacks and women. Today it is an organization that supports “the
Constitution, public schools, and the betterment of American business,”
Schlett said. Most of the Elmwood Park members are elderly, including
Al Brower, 93, who joined in 1918. “We were a nice group of men,” he
said.
Schlett said the National Alliance has been meeting at the hall since
February. “They told me they were going to have a meeting and pass out
books and tapes,,” he said.
The National Alliance was founded by William L. Pierce, a former leader
of the American Nazi Party and the author of “The Turner Diaries,” a
fictional account of a right-wing uprising against the government,
including the explosion of a federal government building. It was a
favorite book- . of Timothy McVeigh, the man accused of bombing the
federal building in Oklahoma City.
Callers to the group’s New York City hot line hear a taped message that
the alliance is not a white supremacist group, but rather a white
separatist group that believes whites, blacks, Jews, and Hispanics
should live in separate, segregated societies.
**END OF STORY REACHED**
Appendix 3
>From – Wed Oct 09 08:04:28 1996
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
From: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] (anniealpert)
Subject: Your unauthorized taping of David Irving
Ms. Alpert,
I am writing to you on the behalf of Mr. David Irving.
On the night of September 20, 1996 you, without permission or previous
consent, made a recording of Mr. Irving during a speech. Afterwards
you approached him and he became aware of your recording. You were
asked for the tape to be given, yet you did not relinquish the said
tape.
Mr. Irving would like you to be aware of a letter he will be sending
you where he will again warn you of his intellectual rights to his
words and the copyright infringement due to any taping, any
unauthorized playing, transcription, and/or distribution in any manner
>from his words or voice on the tape.
Please be aware that your act of secretly recording and any intent that
this action presents are being taken seriously by Mr. Irving. You are
asked to send the original cassette tape made during this violation and
any copies you have made to Mr. Irving at P.O. Box 1707, Key West, FL
33041.
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Sun Jan 12 18:11:18 PST 1997
Article: 92464 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!
rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!
news.gsl.net!news.belnet.be!surfnet.nl!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!
in2.uu.net!207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.44
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Nizkor: Who the Hell are these guys?
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:57:31 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 25
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:92464 alt.politics.white-power:55535
alt.politics.nationalism.white:43210
Mark Raven wrote:
>
> Mike Curtis wrote:…
> >
> > WE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!! There is a major problem. We don’t
> > ever agree with each other. We aren’t associated in any way. There are
> > no profits made. No one gets paid. So why worry, be happy.
> >
>
> Ahh, another one working for free. How DO they all get by? One other
> question, if you don’t “ever” agree with one another, then which ones among
> you are the ones who disagree with the Official Holocaust (TM) story?
>
> I’ll be waiting for the answer to that one. For a while, probably.
>
Strange as it may seem to you, some of us have lives and are successful
enough in them to support a hobby like refuting Holocaust deniers,
anti-Semites and racists. Can you believe it? Actual living persons
who spend their own money and time to do something they think is right
for NO recompense whatsoever? Amazing!
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Sun Jan 12 18:11:19 PST 1997
Article: 92499 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.axionet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!207.99.2.242!
news.nac.net!206.20.179.45
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Nizkor: Who the Hell are these guys?
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 20:59:11 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 65
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <1997010823[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
To: Roger Hughes <[email protected]>
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:92499 alt.politics.white-power:55559
alt.politics.nationalism.white:43238
Roger Hughes wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]> – Annie Alpert <[email protected]> writes:
>
> :>Strange as it may seem to you, some of us have lives and are successful
> :>enough in them to support a hobby like refuting Holocaust deniers,
> :>anti-Semites and racists. Can you believe it? Actual living persons
> :>who spend their own money and time to do something they think is right
> :>for NO recompense whatsoever? Amazing!
>
> You may challenge, but refute? Hardly.
That may be a matter of opinion, but in MY opinion, the matter has been
completely refuted. There was a Holocaust wherein innocent men, women
and children of many groups ocnsidered ‘undersireable’ by the Nazis were
murdered by various methods inlcuding homicidal gas chambers. The
evidence supports this.
Besides, if “refuting” is all that
> easy, then why does the ADL, and the SWC constantly lobby to governments to
> pass censorship laws that explicitly stop people from saying anything the
> Jews don’t like? You do know they do that all the time, don’t you? It sounds
> like they’re a little concerned that their story won’t hold up under scrutiny.
Personally, I believe in letting Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites,
racists and other xenophobics speak whereever they want. The policies
of various Jewish groups are based on their opinions that ignoring a
problem will make it go away (and actually, they have a right to have
the opinions that they have–I just feel their opinions are wrong, just
as I think Holocaust deniers’ opinions are wrong. I much rather have
folks out in the open than hiding in a dark corner soemwhere.
I don’t think that they are covering anything up because they’re
‘afraid’ that their ‘story’ won’t hold up–they’d be totally stupid to
do that. It’s so easy to check out the facts (which I’ve spent a lot of
time doing.) If they were lying, it would be obvious to historians and
concerned (non-Jewish) lay-people like myself.
>
> Yes, folks, if you want to know anything about WW2, then just ask the
> totally objective and unbiased Jews. They’ll tell us everything we need
> to know. And, anyone who contradicts them should have their career ruined and
> ultimately put into jail. Free Speech to them means exactly that: the Jews
> have it, but nobody else does.
>
The facts about World War 2 are not based on the words of ‘the
Jews’–they’re based on documents, eye-witness testimony, photographs,
films, pictures, and other forms of evidence.
> As ol’ Hymie would say “Such a deal!”
“Ol’ Hymie”?? What a rude and childish appellation. You need to grow
up, my friend and stop blaming “Da Joooos” for all your worldly
troubles, IMO.
> The arrogance and hypocrisy of these anti-American scumbags like the ADL,
> SWC, and SPLC is almost unbelievable.
What does the Southern Poverty Law Center have to do with the
Holocaust? Oh, don’t bother, I know–Da Jooos.
—
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
From [email protected] Mon Jan 13 08:05:25 PST 1997
Article: 86759 of talk.politics.mideast
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!news-out.internetmci.com!
newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!news.texas.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!
207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.41
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Deliberate Deceptions: Facts and Fallacy
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:55:58 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 38
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <slepokuo-27085612440[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <E3[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I)
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:92645 talk.politics.mideast:86759
Alex Vange wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >It may have indeed been a shameful thing to invite Vorster
> >to Yad-Vashem – if what you write about him is true; I have
> >no idea. Anyway, it does not change the fact that it really
> >makes one sick to see how Nazis and “Holocaust revisionists”
> >use the Liberty tragedy for their own hateful cause. This is
> >a grave insult to the memory of the American sailors who
> >died on the ship.
>
> There was an article in the Spotlight about this which was written by
> a sailor who was on the ship. He said the Jews definately attacked the
> ship deleberately. He said it was a clear day and they had a huge flag.
> The Jews also attacked the lifeboats. The Jews say it was an accident and
> now they say it insults the sailors to mention it! Jews are liars. The
> Bible says they are liars, John 8:44+48 “Ye are of your father the
> devil, and the lists of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
> the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
> and the father of it.”…”Then answered the Jews, and said…”
> Mein Kampf also says Jews are liars. It says this: “One of the
> greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all
> time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He
> (Schopenhauer) called the Jew “The Great Master of Lies”. Those who do
> not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it,
> will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.”
> This part of Mein Kampf is right after the part about big lies being
> effective in which Hitler was saying that the Jews tell big lies and that
> their lies are effective. The Jews take this out of context to imply that
> Hitler was in favor of lies! The Jewish controlled media did say this
> about Hitler and this act was in itself a big lie and proof that Hitler
> was right. The first order of business for all good people is to remove
> the race of liars from controlling the media.
>
This is novel–the kid is quoting the Spotlight, the Bible and Mein
Kampf as ‘proof’ that people of the Jewish faith should be ‘removed’.
From [email protected] Mon Jan 13 08:06:20 PST 1997
Article: 92645 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!news-out.internetmci.com!
newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!news.texas.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!
207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.41
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Deliberate Deceptions: Facts and Fallacy
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:55:58 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 38
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <slepokuo-27085612440[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <E3[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I)
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:92645 talk.politics.mideast:86759
Alex Vange wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >It may have indeed been a shameful thing to invite Vorster
> >to Yad-Vashem – if what you write about him is true; I have
> >no idea. Anyway, it does not change the fact that it really
> >makes one sick to see how Nazis and “Holocaust revisionists”
> >use the Liberty tragedy for their own hateful cause. This is
> >a grave insult to the memory of the American sailors who
> >died on the ship.
>
> There was an article in the Spotlight about this which was written by
> a sailor who was on the ship. He said the Jews definately attacked the
> ship deleberately. He said it was a clear day and they had a huge flag.
> The Jews also attacked the lifeboats. The Jews say it was an accident and
> now they say it insults the sailors to mention it! Jews are liars. The
> Bible says they are liars, John 8:44+48 “Ye are of your father the
> devil, and the lists of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
> the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
> and the father of it.”…”Then answered the Jews, and said…”
> Mein Kampf also says Jews are liars. It says this: “One of the
> greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all
> time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He
> (Schopenhauer) called the Jew “The Great Master of Lies”. Those who do
> not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it,
> will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.”
> This part of Mein Kampf is right after the part about big lies being
> effective in which Hitler was saying that the Jews tell big lies and that
> their lies are effective. The Jews take this out of context to imply that
> Hitler was in favor of lies! The Jewish controlled media did say this
> about Hitler and this act was in itself a big lie and proof that Hitler
> was right. The first order of business for all good people is to remove
> the race of liars from controlling the media.
>
This is novel–the kid is quoting the Spotlight, the Bible and Mein
Kampf as ‘proof’ that people of the Jewish faith should be ‘removed’.
From [email protected] Mon Jan 13 10:55:20 PST 1997
Article: 107502 of soc.culture.jewish
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!
howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!Quza.UK.peer!uunet!in3.uu.net!207.99.2.242!news.nac.net!206.20.179.41
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: control,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Varange spam alert Re: Never Again. Fuck White Pride. Fuck Nazi Sympathy.
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:28:10 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 34
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I)
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca control:214662 soc.culture.europe:53450 alt.politics.nationalism.white:43361
soc.culture.jewish:107502 soc.culture.israel:55327 soc.culture.african.american:134591
soc.culture.mexican.american:7391 soc.culture.asian.american:89726
Troy Varange wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > msh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Jeff, when you find insulting articles
> like the above be sure to crosspost your response to
> soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.mexican.american,
soc.culture.asian.american,
> etc.
>
> Maybe even copy and post the identical article with the “white
> racist motherfucker trailer trash” changed to the appropriate
> race and insult inferred by the name of the colored newsgroup.
>
> > >Its time to wake up and understand the ideals of humanity, not
> > >blind ignorance which you call white nationalism.
> >
> > >Power shouldn’t
> > >come from the color of your skin or the heritage of your race,
> > >nothing matters except who you are or what you do.
>
> —
> Cheers!
This an example of a very weird apm effort on the part of Mr Varange.
The original note was posted to alt.politics.nationalism.white only. It
was a note about the futility of white supremacist movements. “Jeff”
responded in alt.politics.nationalism.white and Mr Varange then got
involved. He changed the reply-to header of this to inlcude the original
sender (so that the original sender would get lots of e-mail if anyone
repsonded further). He also added lots of unrelated newsgroups to the
newsgroup list so that his note would go to lots of places where it
didn’t belong (with, of course, replies going to the original poster.)
Cute trick, don’t you think?
From [email protected] Wed Jan 15 08:27:59 PST 1997
Article: 92961 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!
rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!
cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!metro.atlanta.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!207.99.2.242!
news.nac.net!206.20.179.45
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Dem Wascally Zionist Imperialists is Everywhere!
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:24:51 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I)
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:92961 alt.politics.nationalism.white:43571
alt.politics.white-power:55822
>From the NYT Sunday magazine, 01/12/96, p 7:
“PAINT PLOT
Last month, Lita Alburquerque, a California artist, was accused of
Zionist imperialism thanks to a piece she produced for the Cairo
Biennale, an international art competition. “Sol Star” was a mythopoetic
evocation of a golden bee, symbolized by 99 blue circles painted in a
honeycomb pattern on the desert sands of Giza.
Trouble began when a local surveyor–hired to help lay out the design
[(see picture printed in magazine)]–decided that Alburquerque’s real
nefarious purpose was to paint a field of six-pointed Stars of David
near Egypts famous pyramids. He alerted a prominent right-wing
journalist who cried foul.
Alberquerque pronounced herself innocent and shocked, and gamely
volunteered to reposition her circles into a map of the stars. Her
compromised paid off: she took second place and won 40,000 Egyptian
pounds.”
You have to see the photo to fully appreciate the absurdity of this.
She laid out white tiles in a hexogonal pattern. some of the tiles have
a blue dot on them. No triangles, even–just hexagons!
Very cagey these imperialists!
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:40 PST 1997
Article: 90507 of alt.revisionism
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!
clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!
news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!
news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.44
From: Annie Alpert <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: What is and what ain’t – II
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:34:28 -0500
Organization: Miasaura
Lines: 34
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.20.179.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit)
To: tom moran <[email protected]>
