Alexander 0103-6, Alexander Roger

Decrying exclusivism, Montagu continued,

 

” I deny that Palestine is today assciated with the Jews.  It is quite

true that Palestine plays a large part in Jewish history, but so it does

in modern Mohammedan history, and, after the time of the Jews, surely it

plays a larger part than any other country in Christian history.  The

Temple may have been in Palestine, but so was the Sermon on the Mount

and the Crucifixion.  I would not deny to Jews in Palestine, equal

rights to colonization with those who profess other religions, but a

religious test of citizenship seems to me to be only admitted by those

who take a bigoted and narrow view of one particular epoch of the

history of Palestine, and claim for the Jews a position to which they

are not entitled.”,

 

caustically, and cleverly,

 

” I am not the least surprised that the non-Jews of England may welcome

this policy.” [ ibid. all quotes from Lilienthal]

 

Other vehement Jewish opposition to Zionism was manifest in the United

States.  In March of 1919 Rep. Julius Kahn (R.-Ca.), the first Jewish

member of the United States House of Representatives, presented to

President Woodrow Wilson, at the Paris Peace Conference in Versailles, a

petition opposing Zionism.  This document was signed by two hundred and

ninety-nine prominent American Jews from all over the U.S. The committee

directly responsible for the document consisted of thirty one prominent

Jews of the period. Notable for the time was that there were no women

signatories. The full text of the Memorandum was published in the New

York Times on 5 March 1919.

 

The thirty-one:

 

(1) Congressman Julius Kahn, San Francisco Ca., ranking Republican on

the Military Affairs Committee

(2) Ambassador Henry Morgenthau,  former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey

(3) Simon Rosendale, Attorney General, State of NY, founder of the

Jewish Publication Society

(4) Simon Wolf, former U.S. Consul in Egypt, and representative of B’nai

B’rith (oldest Jewish fraternal organization in the U.S. – Literally,

“Sons of the Covenant”) in D.C. who ” opposed governmental attempts to

identify Jews as a group and was vociferous in denying Zionist

aspirations, a matter in which he claimed assurances from President

Wilson.”

(5) Max Senior, 1st Pres. of the National Conf. of Jewish Charities

(6) Lee M. Friedman, Attorney, Boston – Pres. Amer.Jewish Historical

Soc.

(7) Judge Seligman J. Strauss, Court of Common Pleas, Wilkes Barre, Pa.

(8) Morris Jastrow, Jr. Professor of Semitic Languages, U. of Pa,

University Librarian, Author of over 200 books and articles on Semitic

languages, religions, and literature, and on contemporary political

questions.

(9) Rabbi Henry Berkowitz – 1st Sec. of the Central Conference of

American Rabbis (CCAR – Reform Movement)

(10) Rabbi David Philipson – founder and past Pres. CCAR

(11) Edward Max Baker – Pres. Cleveland Stock Exchange

(12) L. H. Kempner – Mayor, Galveston, Texas

(13) Jesse Isidor Straus – President, MACY’S Dept.Store, U.S. Ambassador

to France

(14) Edwin R.A. Seligman – Prof. Political Economy and Finance, Columbia

U.

(15) Jacob H. Hollander- Prof. Political Economics, Johns Hopkins U.

(16) Adolph S. Ochs – Publisher of The New York Times

(17) Lessing Rosenthal- Attny, Pres.Civil Service Reform Assn. of

Chicago, Trustee-The Brookings Inst., Trustee, Johns Hopkins U.

(18) Abraham Kochland-Boston

(19) Jacob R. Morse- Attny., Boston

(20) Daniel Peixotto Hays- Head of the NYC Municipal Civil Service

Commission. Exec Comm. Union of American Hebrew Congregations (UAHC –

Reform), Trustee and Sec. Jewish Publication Soc., Pres. YMHA

(21) Louis Stern – Pres. Council of Jewish Federations and Welfare Funds

 

(22) Rabbi William Rosenau – President of the CCAR, member of the board

of Governors, Hebrew Union College

(23)Rabbi William Landsberg – Rochester, NY

(24) Judge M.C. Shloss – San Francisco

(25) Julius Rosenstein, M.D. – Surgeon, Mt.Zion Hsptl. San Francisco

(26) Isais Wolf Hellman- founder, Union Trust Co. L.A. One of three

contributors of land for the U. of Southern Cal. Member of the board of

regents U. of Cal. for 37 years.

(27) Judge Josiah Cohen- Court of Common Pleas, Pittsburgh; life trustee

of the Carnegie Inst.; founder of the UAHC, director of the Federation

of Jewish Charities

(28) Justice Horace Stern – Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the

State of Pa.; trustee U. of P.; V.P. Jewish Publication Society of

America.

(29) Julius W. Freiberg – Cincinatti Charter Commission, past president

UAHC.

(30) Rabbi Abraham Simon – organizer of the Washington, D.C. chap of the

National Conference of Chritians and Jews, past pres. of the CCAR and

founder of the Synagogue Council of America

(31) Isaac Wolfe Bernheim -distiller and philanthropist. Louisville Ky.

 

[ Encylopedia of the Palestine Problem p. 1025-6 Vol.II  – a full

listing of all signatories appears on pages 1026-1029  as was printed in

The Jewish Review and Observer, Cleveland Ohio, March 14, 1919. For the

full text of the statement see Nakleh, Encylopedia of the Palestine

Problem, Chapter 41, Vol II ppgs.1023-1025]

 

 

 

All of those people, who had the foresight to see what problems

Political Zionism would create, were responding as Jews.  They were

responding to what they saw as the creation of a perversion of what it

meant to be a Jew, and the subsequent redefinition of a Jew.

Unfortunately because of a lack of an aggressive organization opposed to

the Zionists, the virtual complete co-optation of Judaism by Political

Zionism became completed at the Biltmore Conference held in NYC in 1941,

which was attended by leading pro-Zionist rabbis, Stephen M. Wise and

Abba Hillel Silver; as well as WZO head Chaim Weizmann and leader of the

Yishuv (the Jewish Community in Palestine), David Ben-Gurion.

 

Zionism has never lost its way or its bearings.  It has proceeded with

its program, apace, to take over all of what was once Arab Palestine.

The late Rabbi Meyer Kahane, almost universally denounced, and rightly

so, as a racist; was not an original thinker.  If one examines his two

books, one notes how remarkably similar his words are to Vladimir Ze’ev

Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism, and direct mentor of

Menachem Begin, Avram Stern (the founder of LEHI, better known as The

Stern Gang), and YItzhak Shamir; and spiritual mentor to Benjamin

Netanyahu, and Ariel Sharon.

 

It is a telling and interesting piece of trivia to note that there are

more places in Israel named after Jabotinsky than there are after David

Ben-Gurion or any other Zionist leader.

 

It was Jabotinsky who was the first to be brutally honest about the

Zionist project:

 

” Of course the Arabs would not welcome a Jewish colonization of the

Holy Land, he said. Why should they?  He recognised as much as any Arab

the illogic of the Balfour Declaration’s claim that the homeland should

be established without prejudicing the civil or religious rights of the

existing inhabitants.  That could not be.  The Arabs themselves must

recognize this.  And, since they were not likely to hand over their land

without a firght, they must be fought for it.  Even after the Balfour

Declaration, not only did the Zionists still hesitate publicly to

advocate a Jewish majority in Palestine. To Jabotinsky this too was

nonsense.  The vision of Zion could only be realised with a Jewish

majority, as soon as possible.  AND HE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS MEANT THE

USE OF FORCE.”  ( The Controversy of Zion-Jewish Nationalism, the Jewish

State, and the Unresolved Jewish Dilemma by Geoffrey Wheatcroft, publ.

Addison Wesley 1996 p. 174)

 

It has become apparent to many Jews in the current generation that this

state created as a result of 19th Century Utopianism, Western

Imperialism and Colonialism, two international bodies which created laws

to justify this takeover of Palestine ; is antinomial to their very

being in what they consider to be an appropriate “Jewish” way to act

towards ones fellow human.  In recognizing this, these Jews have sought

the guidance of their great grandparents, their antecedents; having

freed themselves from the fog of knowledge obscured by the Nazi

holocaust against the Jews of Europe.  The highest Jewish doctrines are

these;

“Choose Life” (Chai) and “Do not do unto others, that which is hateful

to yourself, that is the entire Torah, all the rest is commentary.”

Under these conditions, Zionism and its creation, The state of Israel,

is decidedly un-Jewish.

 

Dr. Bill Friend

2 March 2001

 

” NONE BUT THE MEMBERS OF THE NATION MAY BE CITIZENS OF THE STATE. NONE

BUT THOSE OF GERMAN BLOOD, WHATEVER THEIR CREED, MAY BE MEMBERS OF THE

NATION. NO JEW, THEREFORE, MAY BE A MEMBER OF THE NATION.” – ADOLF

HITLER – MEIN KAMPF

 

The irreducible equation is this – You stole their land, they want it

back.

 

 

 

“If I lose the light of the sun, I will write by candelight,

moonlight, no light.

If I lose paper and ink, I will write in blood on forgotten walls

I will write always

I will capture nights all over the world and bring them to you.”

 

===============================================

 

If anyone wonders why I repost the work of others, here is the reason.

There is always some silver tongued wordsmith who can marshal facts,

and put them to the keyboard so eloquently as to bring tears to your

eyes,

while I write very pedestrianly.

Thank God for people like Dr. Friend.

RLA

 

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The Globe and Mail | March  2, 2001

 

Letters | This is ‘restraint’?

 

By Steve Gowans

 

Ottawa —  If Uri Dromi thinks that Ehud Barak showed restraint in

dealing

with the latest Palestinian uprising (Israeli Unity Is A Myth — March

1),

he might renew his acquaintance with Mr. Webster’s dictionary. Restraint

 

doesn’t include helicopter gunships that fire missiles at cars or into

apartment buildings. It doesn’t include indiscriminate shelling of

Palestinian towns, or laying villages to siege. Nor does it include

gunshots to the heads of stone-throwing youths, extrajudicial

assassinations, or any of the acts that compelled the UN to censure

Israel

for the disproportionate use of force. It doesn’t include acts that

border

on war crimes, as Amnesty International warned about; nor does it

include

the indiscriminate use of force, as Human Rights Watch condemned Israel

for, and it doesn’t cover systematic human-rights violations, about

which

the international YMCA expressed concern.

 

The only way Mr. Barak may have been restrained is in comparison to what

 

Ariel Sharon might do. That is truly chilling. <end>

 

 

 

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“Kenneth McVay, OBC” wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>,

> Roger Alexander  <[email protected]> wrote:

>

> […]

>

> [I said]

>

> >> The point, Mr. Alexander, is that B’nai Brith does not provide my

> >> funding. I am not in the least surprised that you do not understand,

> >> but that’s your problem, not mine. You made the false claim that

> >> Nizkor was funding by B’nai Brith, and I called you on it.

>

> >The point is that from your own statements, your money comes through B;nai

> >Brith.  I said, and I stand by it, if B’nai Brith didn’t want you doing what you

> >do so well in your little corner of the Holocaust Industry, you would be out

> >tomorrow.

>

> Switching horses, Mr. Alexander? First you claimed that B’nai Brith

> Canada “funded” Nizkor. That, as I pointed out, is not true. Now you

> appear to be shifting ground.

>

> Why is that, Mr. Alexander? Is it that you are hoping no one will

> notice?

>

> You made a false claim. You were called on it. Live with it.

>

 

I said that Jews gave money to B’nai Brith.  They exist on it.  Some of

that money they give to you.  If they decide they don’t want you to

continue with your crazy project, they will stop the funding.

That looks to me like control.  You assert that some of the money

they collect is earmarked for your project.  That may be true,

but I would guess that much of that is guided by B’nai Brith.

Since they aren’t going to open their books, I can’t do more.

RLA

 

>

> By the way, Mr. Alexander… The United Church (British Columbia) once

> processed my funding.. do you suppose there was a “Christian

> conspiracy” to maintain your “Holocaust Orthodoxy?”

>

> What _is_ this “Holocaust Orthodoxy,” Mr. Alexander?  Is it

> “protected” by the United Church?

>

> How about the Roman Catholic foundation that supported my work in

> 1997-1998, Mr. Alexander? Were they part of a Zionist conspiracy too?

>

> It is to laugh.

>

 

The reader will notice that McVay does not here as he did not before

deal with the other issues that he raised, like my having said that

50 % of American Jews are liars.  I never said any such rubbish.

Notice that he snips everything else, when I had laboriously gone and gotten

my original reply, and challenge.  He is truly sucks. Of  course,

he is also lying.

 

On the issue of support by Christians, this is not unreasonable, given

their feelings about the holocaust.  I have the same feelings.  The notion

that any country could and would imprison and starve, and otherwise

kill an entire religious or whatever group is nauseous to me.  For many

years I couldn’t look at a German person without thinking how could

a nation so intelligent go so crazy.  Now I look at the Israelis the same

way.

RLA

 

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Israeli attacks on Palestinian civilians over last 24 hours

 

>From LAW

 

3 March 2001

 

In the past 24 hours, the Israeli forces have escalated their attacks on

 

Palestinian civilians. They have tightened the siege imposed on the

Palestinian towns, especially Ramallah and el Bireh, where they have

placed

more barricades on the roads connecting Jalazone refugee camp, Dura el

Kari’

a, and Ein Yabroud with Ramallah and el Bireh. The Israeli forces’

escalation of attacks have resulted in the killing of three Palestinians

 

during the last 24 hours. A fourth has died of wounds of an earlier

shooting. Apparently in all four cases, those killed had not been taking

 

part in any demonstrations or clashes and were not posing any threat to

Israeli soldiers or settlers when they were killed.

 

Obai Daraj, 9 years old, killed

On Friday, 2 March, Israeli forces stationed at Psagot settlement

reportedly

opened fire at Palestinian residential areas in el Bireh hitting

9-year-old

Obai Daraj in the chest. Based on LAW Society’s documentation, the

Palestinian boy was hit while in his bedroom on the 4th floor of the

building, which his family has recently moved to. The boy died on

arrival at

Ramallah state hospital.

 

Abdul Kareem Abu Asba, 23 years old, killed

On 2 March, Friday afternoon, clashes broke out in Kalandia. Abdul

Kareem

Abu Asba (23) from Kalandia refugee camp was reportedly shot while

coming

home after shopping from a nearby grocery store. Abu Asba died on

arrival at

Ramallah state hospital.

 

Mustafa el Ramlawi, 42 years old, killed

On 2 March, Friday morning, Israeli soldiers in Natsarim junction

reportedly

fired an artillery shell at a mentally handicapped Palestinian named

Mustafa

el Ramlawi (42) from el Braij refugee camp hitting him in the face. They

 

then shot him in the head and the left leg. According to information

gathered by LAW, el Ramlawi left his house on Thursday March 1, in the

evening, carrying a sack on his back. On Friday morning, while

attempting to

cross Natsarim junction, Israeli soldiers shot him dead from a distance

of

100 meters.

 

Mohammad Halas, 13 years old, killed

13-year-old Mohammad Halas from el Shajaiyi was pronounced dead at el

Shifa’

a hospital in Gaza of wounds sustained on 27 February 2001. Halas was

said

to have been shot in the head in an unprovoked incident by Israeli

soldiers

at el Mintar crossing east of Gaza.

 

Excessive use of force in demonstration near el Bireh

Israeli soldiers reportedly fired rubber coated steel bullets and two

gray-colored missiles said to have contained highly concentrated gas at

demonstrators in the clashes that broke out on Friday, 2 March,  near

the

City Inn Hotel, north of el Bireh. 34-year-old Kisra Yaseen suffered a

severe case of gas inhalation and spasm. Ramallah hospital medical

sources

reported that this type of gray-colored missile was similar to that,

which

Israeli forces used against Palestinians in Khan Yunis.

 

Medical personnel injured

The following paramedics of the Palestinian Medical Relief Committees

were

wounded:

Nasir Jamjoum (32) hit by a steel bullet in the mouth, which

broke

his teeth

Riham Juma’a (18) hit by a rubber coated steel bullet in the

left

shoulder

Arafat Zayid (18) hit by a rubber coated steel bullet in the

left

foot

Rami Abu Dayi (20) hit by a rubber coated steel bullet in the

head

 

Excessive use of force during demonstration in Deir Nitham

The following Palestinians, and Palestinian protesters were wounded on

Friday when Israeli forces broke into the village of Deir Nitham, west

of

Ramallah:

 

Imad el Tamimi (44) a paramedic, hit by a rubber coated steel

bullet

in the left leg

Zeid Faraj (25) shrapnel wounds in the left hand
Mohammad Mis’ad (41) shot in the right thigh and arm
Ahmad Yacoub (10) hit by a rubber coated steel bullet in the

left

thigh

Mohammad Faraj Mohammad (8) hit by a rubber coated steel bullet

in

the right jaw

Anan Abdullah (10) hit by a rubber coated steel bullet in the

pelvis

 

*Shelling of el Barazeel: Children injured

 

On 2 March, Friday evening, Israeli forces are said to have shelled el

Barazeel quarter in Rafah wounding Mohammad Kishta (6) and Mukhtar

Barbakh

(11) in the legs and arms.

 

 

 

****************************************************************************

 

LAW -The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the

 

Environment is a non-governmental organisation dedicated to preserving

human

rights through legal advocacy.

LAW is affiliate to the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ),

Fédération Internationale des Ligues de Droits de l’Homme (FIDH), World

Organisation Against Torture (OMCT) and Member of the Euro-

Mediterranean

Human Rights Network

 

==========================================

Mustafa el Ramlawi.  Israel knew this man and knew he wasn’t planting

a bomb, and killed him.  Then they tried to get international sympathy

by falsely claiming that he was planting a bomb.

How scummy can you get?  Stay tuned, and we’ll see.

Israel also claimed that the death of Mohammed alDura was his own

or his father’s fault.  In reality, Israeli troops targeted them for

about

a half hour finally killing the boy and severly injuring the father.

RLA

 

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“Kenneth McVay, OBC” wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>,

> Roger Alexander  <[email protected]> wrote:

>

> […]

>

> >> Switching horses, Mr. Alexander? First you claimed that B’nai Brith

> >> Canada “funded” Nizkor. That, as I pointed out, is not true. Now you

> >> appear to be shifting ground.

> >>

> >> Why is that, Mr. Alexander? Is it that you are hoping no one will

> >> notice?

> >>

> >> You made a false claim. You were called on it. Live with it.

>

> >I said that Jews gave money to B’nai Brith.  They exist on it.  Some of

>

> No, Mr. Alexander. You said that Nizkor was funded by B’nai Brith

> Canada, and that is not true.

>

> >that money they give to you.  If they decide they don’t want you to

> >continue with your crazy project, they will stop the funding.

>

> They cannot stop the funding, Mr. Alexander, although they could stop

> managing it for me. It would take perhaps 5 minutes to move the fund

> to another organization.

>

> >That looks to me like control.  You assert that some of the money

> >they collect is earmarked for your project.  That may be true,

>

> ALL of the money that goes to the Nizkor fund GOES to the Nizkor fund,

> Mr. Alexander. B’nai Brith has no control over that. Whether you

> believe it or not is of no interest to me. After all, your reputation

> as a Jew-baiter and antisemite precedes you.

>

 

You are a smear artist, par excellence.  I am neither a Jewbaiter nor

an anitsemite.  I oppose Zionist oppression of Palestinians, which

bothers you not at all.  You are like alot of Zionist sympathizers,

all of the ones I have dealt with in fact.  You equate antiZionism

with antisemitism.

 

> As to control, perhaps I should explain something to you – something

> many others have learned to their great disappointment. I cannot BE

> “controlled,” and Nizkor isn’t going anywhere, with or without

> organizational support.

>

> Live with it, pal. I’m the most ferociously independent sob you’ll

> ever confront, and Nizkor’s here to stay, period. Nizkor existed long

> before the Jewish community discovered it, and it will remain

> regardless of _who_ supports it or does not support it.

>

> >but I would guess that much of that is guided by B’nai Brith.

> >Since they aren’t going to open their books, I can’t do more.

>

> But they have opened their books, Mr. Alexander. The federal

> government has been through them with a fine toothed comb. That you

> aren’t sufficiently informed is your problem, not mine.

>

> Do you still assert that half of America’s Jews are liars, Mr.

> Alexander?

>

 

I notice once again that you as a consummate smear artist, have

not brought forth any evidence that I ever asserted that.  You

are not only a liar, but a defamer.  The Big Lie was a technique

of the Nazis.  You appear to have learnt it well.

RLA

 

> –

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One more time, jerk, Israel is the aggressor.  You know that,

you aren’t stupid, but you continue to put forth these oneliners

claiming that the Palestinians are at fault for your aggression.

That makes you extraordinarily intellectually dishonest.

RLA

 

Omri Schwarz wrote:

 

> Your diversion, that is.

>

> We are not your dhimmies, you fuckwit.

> When we are shot at, we shoot back.

>

> Get used to it.

>

> Roger Alexander <[email protected]> writes:

>

> > You saw and snipped the point.

> > RLA

> >

> > Omri Schwarz wrote:

> >

> > > Roger Alexander <[email protected]> writes:

> > >

> > > > And the farmer hauled another load away.  This is quintessential Zionist

> > > > rhetoric.

> > > It is the truth.

> > >

> > > Beit Jalla is a sniper’s nest, hence the shelling.

> > > —

> > > Omri Schwarz —

> > > Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering:

> > > “Noise is principally due to the presence of the

> > > patient.” — R.F. Farr

> >

>

> —

> Omri Schwarz —

> Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering:

> “Noise is principally due to the presence of the

> patient.” — R.F. Farr

 

 

 

 

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No, jerk, they aren’t.  The B;’nai Brith in the US is an evil

organization.

Their offshoot, the ADL, has carried on a campaign of intimidation,

defamation, and assorted other crimes and torts which is scary.

Many posts pointing this out have been put up here, and I am sure you

had an opportunity to see them.  If not, I can get some of them and

put them up for you.

RLA

 

Omri Schwarz wrote:

 

> Roger Alexander <[email protected]> writes:

>

> >

> > I said that Jews gave money to B’nai Brith.  They exist on it.

>

> Roger, one seldom succeeds in curing you

> of your chronic ignorance, but I’ll give

> it the old college try.

>

> Bnai Brith is the Jewish version of

> the Knights of Columbus.

>

> —

> Omri Schwarz —

> Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering:

> “Noise is principally due to the presence of the

> patient.” — R.F. Farr

 

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“Kenneth McVay, OBC” wrote:

 

> [Roger “I’m not an antisemite, I just hate Jews” Alexander wrote}

>

> >> point I raised.  One more time he defames me by asserting that I had

> >> claimed that: “that 50% of American Jews are

> >> liars… interesting.”  /see above.  I had requested him to provide

> >substantiation.

> >> He didn’t.  For the record, I do not believe Jews as a group are liars,

> >> no substantial portion of them, certainly not half.  Now the Zionists on

> >this

> > board are another matter.  These people lie for pastime, and propagate the

>

> Precisely, Mr. Alexander. I once asked you to tell me how many Jews

> YOU thought were “Zionists.”

>

> You asserted that 50% of American Jews were Zionists.

>

> Ergo, by your own definition, 50% of American Jews are liars.

>

> Hoist by your own petard, eh, Mr. Alexander?

>

> You are such a transparent ass.

 

Fifty per cent of American Jews do not put forth lies like the ones seen

on this board.  RLA

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