Alexander 0103-5, Alexander Roger

You son of a bitch.  You start from the presumption that the terrible oppression

visisted on the innocent people of Palestine by Israel is deserved, and so when

people take up arms to defend themselves, you, you apologist for murderers,

revile them.

I started to say “Get lost!” but I realize you are lost, lost in the cult of

Zionism.

RLA

 

meshehu wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>, “People’s Pizza”

> <[email protected]> wrote:

>

> > It’s just a ploy by the Israeli state terror machine to clear Beit Jala and

> > build settlements there for the Zeolots.

> >

> >

> > Roger Alexander <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > news:[email protected]

> > > Can anyone think the Israelis are anything but monsters?

> > > RLA

> > >

> > > =========================================

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > For a third night in a row, Israeli tanks shelled areas of Beit Jala.

> > > Around 9 pm, without any warning, an explosion rocked our area as the

>

> Since the tanzim and various other lowlife “terrorists” are using these

> homes as sniper headquarters, and have refused to heed the objections and

> pleas of the arab christian population they have forcefully displaced in

> order to do so, they get what they deserve.

 

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You saw and snipped the point.

RLA

 

Omri Schwarz wrote:

 

> Roger Alexander <[email protected]> writes:

>

> > And the farmer hauled another load away.  This is quintessential Zionist

> > rhetoric.

> It is the truth.

>

> Beit Jalla is a sniper’s nest, hence the shelling.

> —

> Omri Schwarz —

> Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering:

> “Noise is principally due to the presence of the

> patient.” — R.F. Farr

 

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Mr McVay is a low life sort of person.

I regret getting into a piss fight with this skunk.

But Oh well.

Comments interspersed.

RLA

 

“Kenneth McVay, OBC” wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>,

> Roger Alexander  <[email protected]> wrote:

> >This idiot McVay runs a small subsidiary of the Holocaust Industry, known

> >as Nizkor.

> >It has no means of making money that I know of, and so depends entirely on

> >contributions

> >from B’nai Brith Canada.  One of their efforts is “exposing” those who

>

> Sorry, Mr. Alexander, but that is incorrect (as usual, in your case).

> B’nai Brith Canada does not contribute to the Nizkor fund, it simply

> accepts donations and disberses funds on Nizkor’s behalf. If the

> donations dry up, as they sometimes do, no funds are available.

>

 

You want disburse not disberse.  B’nai Brith could not exist if Jews did not

contribute to it.  There may be a point in there somewhere, but I fail

to see it.  If B’nai Brith did not want you to continue, it would shut off your

funds.

Period.

RLA

 

> >differ with the Holocaust Orthodoxy, which is sought to be made illegal to

> >argue with, and has so been made illegal

>

> The last time you defined this “Holocaust Orthodoxy,” Mr. Alexander,

> you embarrassed yourself. Perhaps you would like to do so once again,

> and define it for your new readers.

>

 

Perhaps you would like to put up this alleged definition and explain what about

it is embarrassing to me.

RLA

 

>

> You might also reiterate your belief that 50% of American Jews are

> liars.. I’m sure folks would find that strange assertion of interest.

>

 

I might say that for the first time, but since I do not believe it, I will leave

it to you

to put up the alleged quote.

RLA

 

>

> >in Germany and France, and I believe in some other countries.  He is a real

> >piece of work.

> >I often disagree with Matt Giwer, but I find him rational and intelligent.

> >This is more than

> >I can say for McVay, for whom I have developed a fine contempt.

>

> Please do redefine this “Holocaust Orthodoxy,” Mr. Alexander. I expect

> it will prove as embarrassing for you this time as it did the last.

>

 

Please put ‘er up and we’ll discuss her.  I look forward to it like a visit to

the dentist,

or to the surgeon, but I am game.

RLA

 

>

> Giwer?

>

> Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only

> interest is in causing fights.  While he can sound superficially

> plausible, he has lied** about what has been said in exchanges (while

> accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not

> to see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even

> when they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel*, and

> generally conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual

> and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in taking

> the time to read and respond.  For detailed and documented

> evidence of this, please refer to

> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

>

> If you do not enjoy the luxury of a news filter, simply delete Mr.

> Giwer’s articles unread. With a few moments’ practice, they are easy

> to identify.

>

> Mr. Giwer’s handlers report that he has responded well to training, and

> now reacts in the prescribed manner, changing his userid each time the

> bell is sounded.

>

> Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer’s special

> newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately

> ignored (the group has no users – it’s just a convenient toilet for

> Matt’s vomitus). If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,

> redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power,

> an equally vapid dumping ground for Giwerundian babblings.

>

> Crawler bait: [email protected] Matthias Giwer

> Lincoln James <[email protected]> Matthias Giwer

> Kainee <[email protected]> Matt Giwer

> Rabbi Moshe Dreckschreiber

> Rabbi Dr. Gedalia Pashkvilkemacher

>

> —

> IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany

>     and America’s Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black

> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609607995/thenizkorproject/

>              The Nizkor Project: https://nizkor.org

 

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meshehu wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>, Roger Alexander

> <[email protected]> wrote:

>

> > You son of a bitch.  You start from the presumption that the terrible

> oppression

> > visisted on the innocent people of Palestine by Israel is deserved,

>

> No I didn’t you illiterate sack of fetid fishguts.

 

I have to laugh. “illiterate sack of fetid fishguts”.  You are still a rotten

SOB, but you get the palm for that.

RLA

 

> I started from the

> factual declaration that the tanzim displaced entire families of christian

> arabs from their homes, so that they could snipe jewish (civilian)

> neighbourhoods… knowing full well that the IDF would retaliate in

> defence of -it’s- citizens (unlike the PA who apparently don’t give a shit

> about their civilian populations).

 

Israel has no civilians in the West Bank.  Those people are all illegitimate

colonists,

illegal as all Hell.  Get them the Hell out of there and there won’t be any

need for

a Tanzim. Get it?  I can make it clearer if need be.

RLA

 

>

>

> Arafat should have signed a peace deal instead of goading and conniving

> his people into this bullshit, all so that he could stoke his emotionally

> crippled ego and finally have his glorious “jihad” before he croaks.

>

 

No leader or any group of so’called leaders could sign the crazy deal

you bastard sons of bitches wanted themn to sign.  You weren’t willing

that the Palestinian people should have their own country on their own land.

Bastards.  They will, though.

RLA

 

> The “innocent palestinians” are fighting the wrong people. They should be

> going after their slimeball leaders and the clinically psychotic murderers

> in the hizbella etc. etc. etc.

 

No, the Hizbollah aren’t psychotic.  They forced you sons of bitches to leave

Lebanon after you had invaded it and made it a Hell hole for eighteen years.

And no the Palestinians aren’t fighting the wrong people, in fact, most of the

 

Palestinians you bastards have killed haven’t been fighting anyone,

just like the poor man you killed last night, then maligned the dead by saying

he was

a bomber.  You are real pieces of work, you are.

 

 

 

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The struggle is global –

allegra

 

Some time ago, in an attempt to discredit one of the Zapatista leaders

in Southern Mexico, Sub-Comandante Marcos, Mexican

government officials there tried to put forth the idea that Marcos was

homosexual.  In a region where machismo still runs strong,

it was hoped this would tarnish the leader’s credibility. He responded

by writing a poem…

 

“Yes, Marcos is gay.

Marcos is gay in San Francisco

Black in South Africa

an Asian in Europe,

a Chicano in San Ysidro,

an anarchist in Spain,

a Palestinian in Israel,

a Mayan Indian in the streets of San Cristobal,

a Jew in Germany,

a Gypsy in Poland,

a Mohawk in Quebec,

a pacifist in Bosnia,

a single woman on the Metro at 10 pm

a peasant without land,

a gang member in the slums,

an unemployed worker,

an unhappy student

and, of course,

a Zapatista in the mountains.

 

Marcos is all the exploited, marginalized,

oppressed minorities resisting and saying

“Enough”. He is every minority who is now

beginning to speak and every majority that

must shut up and listen. He is every

untolerated group searching for a way to

speak. Everything that makes power and the

good consciences of those in power

uncomfortable — this is Marcos.”

 

– Sub-Comandante Insurgente Marcos

 

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“Kenneth McVay, OBC” wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>,

> Roger Alexander  <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Mr McVay is a low life sort of person.

> >I regret getting into a piss fight with this skunk.

>

> On the other hand, you don’t mind saying that 50% of American Jews are

> liars… interesting.

>

> >> Sorry, Mr. Alexander, but that is incorrect (as usual, in your case).

 

I was wrong the other day about the crazy group torturing a Palestinian.

When I am wrong I generally admit it.  Other than that, I would be in your debt

to show me the error of my ways.  I would bet you have no examples

(that you can document).

RLA

 

>

> >> B’nai Brith Canada does not contribute to the Nizkor fund, it simply

> >> accepts donations and disberses funds on Nizkor’s behalf. If the

> >> donations dry up, as they sometimes do, no funds are available.

> >>

> >

> >You want disburse not disberse.  B’nai Brith could not exist if Jews did not

> >contribute to it.  There may be a point in there somewhere, but I fail

> >to see it.  If B’nai Brith did not want you to continue, it would shut off your

> >funds.

>

> The point, Mr. Alexander, is that B’nai Brith does not provide my

> funding. I am not in the least surprised that you do not understand,

> but that’s your problem, not mine. You made the false claim that

> Nizkor was funding by B’nai Brith, and I called you on it.

>

 

The point is that from your own statements, your money comes through B;nai

Brith.  I said, and I stand by it, if B’nai Brith didn’t want you doing what you

do so well in your little corner of the Holocaust Industry, you would be out

tomorrow.

RLA

 

> Live with it, Bubba.

 

I notice that Mr. McVay cannot back up his assertions.  Indeed he can’t deal with

any

point I raised.  One more time he defames me by asserting that I had

claimed that: “that 50% of American Jews are

liars… interesting.”  /see above.  I had requested him to provide substantiation.

He didn’t.  For the record, I do not believe Jews as a group are liars,

no substantial portion of them, certainly not half.  Now the Zionists on this

board are another matter.  These people lie for pastime, and propagate the

current party line as fervently as any Communist ever did their line.

I reproduce below the whol post that he has snipped.  the reader can see that

he has failed to take up the gauntlet, contenting himself iwth repeating

his defamatory falsehoods, and ending by calling me “Bubba”,

which in the south means a good ol’ boy, generally one of limited intelligence

though of good heart.  I understand it means an old woman in another

idiom.  In either case it is derogatory.   All I say is is that he can’t debate.

I have come to despise him.

BTW, he didn’t put up the allegedly wrong and embarrassing definition

of the Holocaust I supposedly put up either.  Maybe he will find

something, may be won’t.  I bet he doesn’t.  He is rather windy.

RLA

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr McVay is a low life sort of person.

I regret getting into a piss fight with this skunk.

But Oh well.

Comments interspersed.

RLA

 

“Kenneth McVay, OBC” wrote:

 

> In article <[email protected]>,

> Roger Alexander  <[email protected]> wrote:

> >This idiot McVay runs a small subsidiary of the Holocaust Industry, known

> >as Nizkor.

> >It has no means of making money that I know of, and so depends entirely on

> >contributions

> >from B’nai Brith Canada.  One of their efforts is “exposing” those who

>

> Sorry, Mr. Alexander, but that is incorrect (as usual, in your case).

> B’nai Brith Canada does not contribute to the Nizkor fund, it simply

> accepts donations and disberses funds on Nizkor’s behalf. If the

> donations dry up, as they sometimes do, no funds are available.

>

 

You want disburse not disberse.  B’nai Brith could not exist if Jews did not

contribute to it.  There may be a point in there somewhere, but I fail

to see it.  If B’nai Brith did not want you to continue, it would shut off your

funds.

Period.

RLA

 

> >differ with the Holocaust Orthodoxy, which is sought to be made illegal to

> >argue with, and has so been made illegal

>

> The last time you defined this “Holocaust Orthodoxy,” Mr. Alexander,

> you embarrassed yourself. Perhaps you would like to do so once again,

> and define it for your new readers.

>

 

Perhaps you would like to put up this alleged definition and explain what about

it is embarrassing to me.

RLA

 

>

> You might also reiterate your belief that 50% of American Jews are

> liars.. I’m sure folks would find that strange assertion of interest.

>

 

I might say that for the first time, but since I do not believe it, I will leave

it to you

to put up the alleged quote.

RLA

 

>

> >in Germany and France, and I believe in some other countries.  He is a real

> >piece of work.

> >I often disagree with Matt Giwer, but I find him rational and intelligent.

> >This is more than

> >I can say for McVay, for whom I have developed a fine contempt.

>

> Please do redefine this “Holocaust Orthodoxy,” Mr. Alexander. I expect

> it will prove as embarrassing for you this time as it did the last.

>

 

Please put ‘er up and we’ll discuss her.  I look forward to it like a visit to

the dentist,

or to the surgeon, but I am game.

RLA

 

>

> Giwer?

>

> Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only

> interest is in causing fights.  While he can sound superficially

> plausible, he has lied** about what has been said in exchanges (while

> accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not

> to see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even

> when they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel*, and

> generally conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual

> and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in taking

> the time to read and respond.  For detailed and documented

> evidence of this, please refer to

 

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The ongoing conflict, that for practical purposes I will arbitrarily

state started in earnest on November 2, 1917 has been labeled in most

media as either “The Israeli-Arab Conflict” or the “Israeli-Palestinian

Conflict” or some variant on those two.   Quite often, one will find in

newspapers and journals in the Arab world and elsewhere, that this

conflict is referred to rather as “The Jewish-Arab Conflict” or the

“Jewish-Palestinian Conflict”.

 

Aside from some articles, often cited by pro-Zionists, that occur from

time to time in the Arab press, which do resemble the classic

anti-semitic articles of 19th century European and American papers, such

as Henry Ford’s Dearborn Independent, which was the first journal in N.

America to unabashedly publish the infamous forgery, The Protocols of

the Elders of Zion; quite often, “Jew” is substituted for “Israeli” when

discussing this “Hundred Years War”.

 

Zionists will point to both the former and the latter as being

irrefutable proof that “the Arabs” are “anti-semitic”.   Of course one

then gets into the silly debate, often initiated by Arabs, and most

famously once by Yassir Arafat, of “how can I be anti-semitic when I am

a semite?”   This of course is either entirely disingenous, or is an

honest misunderstanding of the word, anti-semite, which in fact was

coined by a 19th century German, who was in fact a Jew hater, and was

meant as a “polite society” term for someone who did in fact hate Jews,

for whatever reason that individual might entertain.   Of course those

in “polite society” in that century, often thought that the word “Jew”

itself was a pejorative, and so spoke of Jews as “people of the Hebrew

persuasion”.   The absurdity of this phrase is obvious, although it has

carried over into the 21st century.  The official arm of the Reform

Judaism movement in N. America is The Union of American Hebrew

Congregations, the UAHC.  It’s archaic sound to modern ears prompted a

petition at one of the UAHC semi-annual conventions, to have the name

upgraded to something more modern sounding.  I proposed “Jews R Us” but

it fell on either deaf or humorously compromised ears.

 

The question that is begged is, if when one hears an Arab youth, as I

did at a rally in Times Square, shout “Death to the Jews” is that person

referring to Jews as Jews (i.e, as members of the Judaic religion) or is

that person hurling that epithet from the context of the conflict in the

Middle East in which his reference point for what constitutes a Jew, is

a person who has been the cause of his subjugation in the area formerly

known as Palestine?

 

This question is a serious one, and not strictly a matter of semantics,

because since the beginning of Political Zionism formally begun at the

First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland in August of 1897, there

has been the very real attempt by Zionists themselves to equate Zionism

with Judaism, and in fact have them be one and the same.

 

This notion reached its zenith after the United Nations General Assembly

passed Resolution 3379 on 10 November 1975.   The hue and cry that went

out defensively after that document was passed was that “ZIONISM EQUALS

JUDAISM!!!”, and thus, Resolution 3379 was “anti-Semitic”.

Parenthetically, one should also note that the attempt at equating

Zionism and Judaism was also made in a book of the period entitled “The

New Anti-Semitism” in which the authors stated rather frankly that when

one spoke of Zionists in a derogatory manner, one was in fact speaking

of Jews, and thus to be anti-Zionist was a “hidden” form of

anti-Semitism.    This proposition was successful for quite some time,

for anyone speaking out or “daring to speak out” against the policies of

Israel towards its non-Jewish inhabitants, based on very real

injustices, was often cowered or silenced by the charge of being

anti-Semitic.

 

This notion, of course is absurd on its face.  Criticism of any

sovereign state, based on its actions vis a vis its citizens and/or

resident aliens is certainly a legitimate endeavor. Iran, the

self-described “Islamic Republic” is roundly criticized, and rightly so,

for its many human abuses under its ruling clerics.  When one hears some

fundamentalist Christian such as Pat Robertson speak of the United

States as “a Christian Nation”, a hue and cry go forth, and rightly so,

based on the wall of separation of church and state in the U.S. as

codified in the U.S. constitution, and defined by Thomas Jefferson.

Thus, it should not be surprising, that if Israel, by law, defines

itself as “The Jewish State”, that some who are critical of its policies

attack “The Jews” for being the cause of their suppression.  But of

course, this is not polite.

 

It is important to note that UNGA 3379, never once has the word “Jew”

contained within it.  Moreover, as is commonly misstated, it does not

state that Zionism equals Racism, but rather that Zionism is a form of

Racism.  And yet the cry that went out after the passage of this

resolution in “the organized Jewish community” and repeated as a mantra,

was that Zionism equaled Judaism.

 

I quote portions of the  text of UNGA 3379 because it bears examination:

 

 

 

” The General Assembly,

 

Recalling its resolution 1904(XVIII) of 20 November 1963, proclaiming

the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial

Discrimination, and in particular its affirmation that “any doctrine of

racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally

condemnable (and) socially unjust and dangerous” and its expression of

alarm at “the manifestation of racial discrimination still in evience in

some areas of the world, some of which are imposed by certain

Governments by means of legislative, administrative and other measures,”

[ emph. mine]

 

Recalling also that in its resolution 3151 G (XXVIII) of 14 December

1973, the General Assembly condemned inter alia the unholy alliance

between South African racism and zionism,

 

Taking note of the declaration of Mexico on the Equality of Women…held

at Mexico City from 19 June 1975 to 2 July 1975, which promulgated the

principle that “international co-operation and peace require the

achievement of national liberation and independence, the elimination of

colonialism, and neocolonialism, foreign occupation, zionism, APARTHEID,

and racial discrimination in all its forms as well as the recognition of

the dignity of peoples and their right to self-determination,”

 

……

 

Taking note also of the Political Declaration….adopted at the

Conference of Ministers for Foreign Affairs of Non-Aligned Countries

held…from 25 to 30 August 1975, which most severely condemned zionism

as a threat to world peace and security and called upon all countries to

oppose this racist and imperialist ideology,

 

Determines that zionism is a form of racism and racial

discrimination.”

 

 

 

There is not one mention of Judaism in this document, as one of the

worlds great religious doctrines, or to Jews who are defined as those

individuals who follow the religion of Judaism.  And yet over the course

of the years, Zionism has in fact co-opted rather successfully, the

practice of Judaism and in the minds of many individuals, such as World

Jewish Congress chairman, and head of the Seaman’s Corp., Edgar

Bronfman; Zionism or Israel worship has replaced Judaism as their means

of self-identification as Jews.  Bronfman himself, a very powerful

individual within not only “the organized Jewish community” but within

the hierarchy of the World Zionist Organization/Jewish Agency, legally

an arm of the Government of Israel; has frankly admitted that he rarely

if ever steps foot inside a synagogue to observe the Judaic faith.

 

Now I need to be clear here, that I am not criticizing an individual for

choosing to not observe a particular faith into which they were born.

That is clearly a valid choice.  It is the fact that one has substituted

what has in practice become a racist ideology, for that religion, and

then proudly declare oneself a Jew AND a Zionist which gives me great

pause.

 

I again quote from the article by Rabbi Michael Lerner with regard to

the Zionist project:

 

“Yet Judaism has been one of the causalities of this project.  To the

extent that Judaism has lost its ability to critique the distortions of

the Jewish people, to the extent that it has become a cheerleader for a

particular state, its army, its fundraisers, and its ideological support

structure, Judaism has lost its connection to God and Torah.  Instead of

reclaiming its role as the voice of possibility, it has allowed itself

to be subsumed as a prop to a deeply flawed existing reality.”

[emph.mine]  ( TIKKUN vol.13, no.2 Mar/Apr 1998 p. 35)

 

The spontaneous resurgence among Jews at a grassroots level, against

Zionism, similar to that which occurred among prominent Jews early in

the 20th century, typified by such various new groupings as Not In My

Name, Jews For Racial and Economic Justice, The Struggle, and others

arising in response to what is seen as a total perversion of Jewish

belief as personified by Israeli government policies, and their

supporters overseas is the palpable result of very real observations.

Again, citing Lerner;

 

” Many young Jews (who) visit Israel…are appalled by the lack of moral

sensitivity, the racism, and the absence of any larger spiritual

vision….

Worse still, the transformation of American Judaism in the past fifty

years into a cheerleading chorus for whatever direction the Israeli

government has taken has caused major disaffection among the generation

of Jews who grew up after the Holocaust.  Growing up in a Jewish

community dominated by fundraisers and the rich, told that any questions

about Israel reflect a self-hating mentality, many younger Jews have

been forced to look elsewhere for a moral and spiritual alternative to

the ethos of…some institutions of the organized Jewish community.

Israel and its cheerleaders have in fact become impediments to

Jewish continuity” (ibid.)

 

It is no secret that except in Orthodox Jewish communities, “organized

Judaism” in the form of synagogue or temple affiliation, or affiliation

with secular Jewish organizations has suffered from a loss of

membership, that in some cases has been precipitous.  Many

congregations, even in large Jewish communities such as those in the NY

Metro area have merged out of a need to pool overhead expenses.  The

reason of course, for this is the lack of ability to attract

congregants.  Now, some of this is the obvious result of a change in

demography, the retirement of some Jews to other states such as Florida

or other areas of the sunbelt.  Yet many young Jews who might want to

affiliate don’t see the point, since many Synagogues are more engaged in

fealty to Zionism through fundraising events such as The United Jewish

Communities Pledge Drives or attendance at investment interests such as

Israel Bonds, rather than in an attendance to their “spiritual” needs,

however one cares to define that last term.

 

Moreover the unspoken rule of “omerta”, not to criticize the state of

Israel in public, “lest the gentiles notice”, has left many young

thoughtful Jews in a quandary.  If one chooses to speak out, one is

denegrated by epithets, therefore vote on this with your feet by

disaffiliating.  Many of the laws of the Zionist state of Israel, and

many of the common practices are entirely antinomial to any Jew raised

in the ideals of Western Democracy. Many find the current recidivism in

such denominations as Reform, which have entered a separatist phase; as

enumerated in the 1999 Declaration of Principles of the Central

Conference of American Rabbis (CCAR); abhorrent to their own core

beliefs as to what Judaism ought to be about.  That these laws have been

directly responsible for repression of a native people is, at least to

this writer, the most abhorrent thing of all, because it goes against

the most fundamental premise of Judaism which is, “Choose life”, the

lesson of the founding myth, The Akida, the “Binding of Isaac”.

 

The current generation of Jews is seeing made manifest, what their

great-grandparents predicted,

 

” The oppression of the Palestinians has persisted, and the anger of the

world’s peoples at the Jewish people’s insensitivity is growing (when we

wake up to this in the 21st century, will we then revert to explanations

that talk about the ‘inherent anti-Semitism of the non-Jew,’ or will we

be willing to recognize that Israel, speaking in the name of THE JEWISH

PEOPLE, has been pursuing policies that would rightly anger the morally

sensitive throughout the world?)” (ibid.)

 

Twenty-three years ago, this writer was pointedly told by Rabbi Elmer

Berger, the long time executive director of The American Council for

Judaism – the oldest and still existing anti-Zionist secular Jewish

organization – “now that you know the truth, keep it to yourself or you

will be ostracized”. He told this to me because I was a young man

starting out in my profession and he did not wish to see me ruined.  He

had seen this done to others who dared to speak out.   I had asked him

why he was able to do so, even though he was personna non grata to the

“organized Jewish community”, and he remarked that he was fortunately,

independently wealthy.

 

For many years, I kept my own council, and then as more and more of the

violations of human rights, and outright atrocities perpetrated by the

state of Israel, in the name of Jews, became more publicized and more

manifest, I found other Jews finally coming out, as did prior, more

clear eyed generations of Jews did , against this perversion of not only

Jewish morals, but universal morals.

 

The most trenchant of these criticisms, which strikes at the heart of

every Jew who remembers the Nazi genocide; and everyone should remember

the Nazi genocide; is contained in an essay in the book Walking The Red

Line- Israelis in Search of Justice For Palestine, publ.New Society

Publishers 1992.  The title of the essay is “Living Comfortably with

Taboos” by Gabi Nitzan-Ginsberg.   I feel compelled to discuss this

article at length for two reasons; (a) it happens to be very truthful

with regard to what the philosophy of Zionism has done with regard to

how Israel functions under its engine, and (b) people now throw the word

“fascism” around rather freely, since the election of the war criminal,

Ariel Sharon as the new Prime Minister.

 

Gabi Nitzan-Ginsburg was born in Israel in 1964 of Argentinian parents.

His grandparents had moved to South America, after the Nazi holocaust

against the Jews of Europe, being one of the few survivors of their

extended family.  He describes his family as very Zionist, his father

having worked for the Jewish Federation. Mr. Ginsburg was drafted into

the IDF in 1982 during the Lebanon War.  In 1989 he founded an

organization called Red Light whose purpose was to stop police brutality

against Palestinian workers in Israel.

 

” The volunteer hotline answered calls every night, from young

Palestinians who were beaten, tortured or abused. Red Light went with

them to police stations (to complain against policement) and to

hospitals, to give legal advice.  Red Light’s sudden exposure of so much

brutality created a public lobby against police violence.  For the first

time, the police found themselves prosecuted in court for beating up

Palestinians.” (Walking The Red Line, p.38)

 

The heart of his essay is a sentence which Gabi writes in the memory of

his relatives lost in the Nazi genocide, and with the hope that his

children will not have a reason to “write such a thing”.  The statement

is:

 

“There is a similarity between Nazi Germany and Israel”.

 

The essay, “Living Comfortably with Taboos” discusses the tabla blanca

used by the State of Israel, and indeed by Jewish organizations raising

funds for the Zionist cause; as a pretext for the justification of the

suppression of the Palestinians;

 

” We, the Jewish nation living in Israel, have a taboo under whose

protection we are able to ignore widely accepted moral codes….The

Shoah (Holocaust).”

 

He states that this taboo prevents (or has up to now prevented) Jews

>from an inward criticism of the obvious loss of a moral anchor.  The

social axiom in operation is that “the Germans…were loathsome

monsters, and the Jews were –and still are, by nature–innocent…and

harmless sheep..the ultimate, eternal Victim.”

 

He does not bother delving into this notion as the raison d’etre for

every Holocaust Museum built in the world, especially Yad Vashem, The

Holocaust Museum on the Mall in Washington D.C., or the “Museum of

Living Jewish History” in lower Manhattan.  For a complete discussion of

this phenomenon, I would recommend the reader refer to two well written

books:

 

(1) The Holocaust in American Life by Peter Novick, publ. Houghton

Miflin and co. 1999

(2) The Holocaust Industry-Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish

Suffering by Norman Finkelstein, publ. Verso 2000

 

Admittedly, Ginsburg wrote the seminal sentence above for shock value,

since;

 

“Even when the Ultimate Victims violently conquer, blindly exile, kill

women and children, loot, burn, oppress, and destroy, they still remain

The Victim…they have suffered so much for so long that they have

unlimited credit. The world owes us infinite reparations…”

 

In fact, Ginsburg does not really believe Israelis are Nazis, he

believes that there are lines of similarity among all oppressive nations

of the world.  He holds the Nazis up as the standard bearer in this

regard; but lists among the oppressors, the French in Algeria, the

Afrikaaners, the whites in native America, the British in India, the

Russians in Afghanistan, and even the ancient Greeks and Romans.

 

This writer quite often hears, upon being critical of the state of

Israel, the retort, “but look what you Americans did to the Indians, you

have no right to criticize us.”  My reply to that is that yes, what was

done to the Native Americans was one of the great horrors in history,

but that does not justify any silence because another injustice is being

committed in full view in this century.  More so, that this injustice is

being committed in my name, as someone who self identifies as a Jew.

For Israel does not call itself “The Zionist State”.  Israel calls

itself “The Jewish State”, and by virtue of its laws, as previously

discussed, it is.

 

“The lines of similarity between us and those listed oppressors are

worrying. More so when it comes to Nazi Germany after we have seen there

is no absolute human red line, no finite moral border, no preset boiling

point, no proven critical mass.” , writes Ginsburg.

 

He lists the ingredients of similarity as follows:

(1) Racism

(2) Population unrest

(3) Territorial expansionism (known in Nazi Germany as “lebensraum”,

literally “breathing room”)

(4) The presence of a weak alienated group

(5) Megalomania

(6) Dehumanization of the victim (although written a decade before the

murder of Muhammad al-Durrah, the picture of whose death in the arms of

his father made front page world headlines, it should be noted that the

IDF tried to spin the occurance as having been the victim’s own fault!

One has also read currently the obscene notion that Palestinian parents

deliberately place their pre-teens on the “front lines” so as to

“martyr” them.)

(7) A majority of an indifferent population (only 59% of all eligible

voters in Israel recently voted in the election for PM between the war

criminal, Ariel Sharon and Ehud Barak.  Ariel Sharons, “overwhelming

landslide” as spun in the corporate media around the world was actually

the receipt of 62.8% of that 59% who bothered to vote.  Doing the math,

one notes that only 37% of all eligible voters in Israel voted for

Sharon.)

(8) A stirring of paranoia parallel to demonization of the victim.

(Recent reports: Israel plans to “take back” the West Bank.  The unasked

question of course is when had it been “given up”?)

(9) A tolerant attitude towards racist/nationalistic violence.

(10) A fictitious judicial system with regard to the captive population.

 

(11) Suppression of free speech.

 

The problem is not that “Israel has lost its way”, as some writers have

been seen to bemoan, but that under the philosophy of political Zionism,

which now has lethally taken on religious overtones (which had been done

through symbolism since the beginning; with the adoption of the Zionist

flag of the Zionist Organization, which is now the Israeli flag,

deliberately resembling in color and design the traditional prayer

shawl, with the religious symbol of the Mogen David in its center.) with

so-called, “religious Zionists” such as the fanatics seen in illegal

settlements exemplified by Kiryat Arba.    At the turn of the century,

Theodor Herzl wrote, “we shall spirit the penniless population across

the border”.  This was in his diaries which were not to be published

until twenty years after his death.  Unfortunately he did not expect to

die, prematurely, at the age of forty, and so his private racist

notions, which he denied to the world, were made manifest in the

Twenties.  But a spokesman for the Gush Emunim (Block of the Faithful)

who inhabit Kiryat Arba settlement just outside Hebron is not so

reticent.  Meir Indor has stated:

 

” The Arabs must know that there is a master here, the Jewish people.

It rules over Eretz Israel. The Arabs are temporary dwellers who happen

to live in the country.  There are commandments in the Bible concerning

such temporary dwellers and we should act accordingly.” (al-Hamishmar 8

Feb.1980, cited on p. 870 Vol.II, Encylopedia of the Palestine Problem,

Issa Nakhleh)

 

One can easily point to specific incidents with regard to the above

ingredients delineated by Ginsburg, and some things do occur to a higher

degree than others.  However, what is remarkable is that all of what has

come to pass, was predicted, by Jews fighting against the intrusion of

Political Zionism into the Jewish world, as early as 1916; and most

famously by Lord Edwin Montagu, Viceroy to India and the only Jewish

member of the British cabinet at that time.   The records of the British

Cabinet, from 1915-1920; the period encompassing the Balfour Declaration

and the beginnings of the Paris Peace Talks in which that document was

included as part of the British Mandate for Palestine under the League

of Nations, were made public in 1970.

Montagu had circulated a memorandum dated 23 August 1917 to other

members of the cabinet with regard to the impending release of the

document which has come to be known as The Balfour Declaration.  He

titled this inter alia memorandum, remarkably, “The Anti-Semitism of the

Present Government”, and it was marked “Secret”.  [ The Zionist

Connection, by Alfred M. Lilienthal, publ. Dodd-Mead 1978 p. 737 ff.].

In his letter, Montagu accused the cabinet members (and thus His

Majesty’s Government) of using political goals to achieve victory, as

well as divest Britain of its Jews all in one swoop.

 

“This nation will presumably be formed of Jewish Russians, Jewish

Englishmen, Jewish Roumanians, Jewish Bulgarians, and Jewish citizens of

all nations – survivors of relations of those who have fought or laid

down their lives for different countries which I have mentioned, at a

time when the three years that they lived through [ fighting for their

respective countries in “The Great War”, WWI].

Zionism has always seemed to me to be a mischievous political

creed….I have always understood that those who indulged in this creed

were largely animated by the restrictions upon and refusal of liberty to

Jews in Russia.  But at the very time when these Jews have been

acknowledged as Jewish Russians and given all liberties [ under the new

Soviet government – well they were given about the same liberties as

everyone else in the Soviet Union – Z ], it seems to be inconceivable

that Zionism should be officially recognized by the British Government,

and that Mr. Balfour should be authorized to say that Palestine was to

be reconstituted as the “national home of the Jewish people.” I do not

know what this involves, but  assume that it means that Mohammedans and

Christians are to make waqy for the Jews, and that Jews should be put in

all positions of preference and should be peculiarly associated with

Palestine in the same way that England is with the English or France

with the French, that Turks and other Mohammedans in Palestine will be

regarded as foreigners….”

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