In the U.S., the extremist Orthodox milieu can be seen through the story
of
Harry Shapiro, a socially awkward loner who grew up in a Conservative
Jewish family in Jacksonville, Florida. He ultimately became
ultra-Orthodox
and found an ideological home in right-wing Jewish politics. So intense
were his
feelings that he staged a phony bombing of a Jacksonville synagogue
where
Shimon Peres was to speak on behalf of the Oslo accords.
The forces which led to Shapiro’s violent act are to be found throughout
Jewish institutions across the U.S. As a young man, Shapiro attended
Hebrew
high school classes and United Synagogue Youth meetings at the
Jacksonville
Jewish Center. Samuel Freedman reports that, “Rabbi Dov Kentof turned a
USY
campout into a simulated mission with the Israeli army, ending with
anthems
around the bonfire. Week after week in the classroom he narrated the
Jewish
epic of persecution and the resistance, from Masada and Bar Kochba
through
the Warsaw ghetto uprising and the Final Solution, covering one wall
with
photographs of Jewish corpses.” Shapiro recalled years later that,
“These
were totally new reasons to be JewishŠThis was more about feelings and
emotions-being proud you’re Jewish, not letting a Holocaust happen
again. It
affected my soul.”
In March 1982, Shapiro’s parents joined a two-week tour of Israel led by
David
Gaffney, rabbi of the Jacksonville Jewish Center. On the group’s first
full
day in Israel, after the scheduled stops at Carmel Winery and Weizmann
Institute, Rabbi Gaffney persuaded the driver to head further south
along
the Mediterranean coast, through Gaza, into Sinai, and finally to the
Jewish town of Yamit, the center of resistance to the peace treaty with
Egypt.
The Camp David accords of 1979 had stipulated that Israel would withdraw
>from the Sinai Peninsula it had captured in 1967 as a condition for
Egyptian President Anwar Sadat’s signing a separate peace. One of the
Israeli settlements in Sinai was Yamit, a community of 2,500. As many of
Yamit’s residents ultimately departed, they were replaced by loyalists
of
Gush Emunim (Bloc of the Faithful, the radical settlers’ movement), many
of
them transplanted Americans.
The Shapiros were emotionally moved by their visit. Later, they told
their
children about Yamit. Harry dwelled on a photograph of the war memorial,
proof of all he had learned in Rabbi Kentof’s class about the price of
Jewish survival. In 1984, Harry Shapiro flew to Israel. He sought out
the
Gush Emunim faithful and from them he learned that Israel’s victory in
the
1967 war was God’s will, the Torah’s words, that Jews were to abide in
all
of Eretz Israel.
When he returned to the U.S. and entered Yeshiva University, Shapiro
embraced
the philosophy of Meir Kahane. He faithfully read The Jewish Press, an
Orthodox paper published in Brooklyn. In an open letter to rabbis,
Avraham
Hecht, who led 2,000 congregants in Brooklyn as rabbi of Shaare Zion
synagogue and 540 colleagues as president of the Rabbinical Alliance of
America, declared: “The Torah permits the most extreme action against
those
who harm our fellow Jews.”
Rabbi Hecht said that surrendering any of the Land of Israel violated
halakah
(Jewish law), and anyone who did so could be killed as a rodef, “one who
pursues a Jew trying to kill him.” Asked by New York Magazine to clarify
what
sounded like a religious death threat, Hecht explained: “All I said was
that
according to Jewish law, any one person-you can apply it to whoever you
want-any one person who willfully, consciously, intentionally hands over
human bodies or human property or the human wealth of the Jewish people
to
an alien people is guilty of the sin for which the penalty is death. And
according to Maimonides-you can quote me-it says very clearly, if a man
kills him, he has done a good deed.”
Completing a Circle
It was in this atmosphere that Harry Shapiro went about his life. “Rabbi
Hecht’s theology,” writes Samuel Freedman, “completed a circle for
Harry.
Years ago, Gush Emunim had taught that God granted Eretz Israel to the
Jews; then Meir Kahane demonstrated how one could hate Jewish leaders in
the name of loving the Jewish people; and now Harry understood the
penalty
for disobeying divine commandment, ‘The Torah is our deed to the land,’
Harry put it. ‘Who is man to give it back?’ŠNever able to join the
battle
against Arabs in Eretz Israel, Harry decided to carry it against a Jew
on
American ground.”
Harry Shapiro admits his guilt. “I placed gunpowder in a pipe,” he told
the
court. “I placed it in a house of worship. I threatened the life of a
human
being with it. I called 911 and issued a threat to keep Mr. Peres from
speaking.” Shapiro now occupies a cell in a medium-security prison in
Jessup, Georgia. He appreciates the printouts his brother sends him from
a
Web site honoring Meir Kahane.
Early in the 20th century, the Orthodox in America gave every indication
of
withering to a vestige. As late as 1955, sociologist Marshall Sklare
dismissed the Orthodox experience in the U.S. as “a case study of
institutional decay.” Now, we have witnessed an Orthodox renaissance.
With
less than 10 percent of the Jewish population, the Orthodox
disproportionately affect the larger community. Orthodox educators often
staff the day schools and Hebrew schools of the Conservative and Reform
movements. In 1956 10 prominent religious scholars issued an issur, a
prohibition against Orthodox participation in any joint rabbinical
organizations-a direct blow against such umbrella groups as the New York
Board of Rabbis and the Synagogue Council of America.In 1979, a
vigilante
group calling itself TORAH-Tough Orthodox Rabbis And
Hasidim-spray-painted swastikas and anti-Semitic slurs on the only
Conservative synagogue left in the ultra-Orthodox Brooklyn stronghold of
Borough Park. In 1984, the Agudath Harabonim ran advertisements just
before
the High Holy Days urging Jews “not to pray in a Reform or Conservative
TempleŠwhose clergy have long rebelled against numerous sacred laws of
the
Torah and mislead thousands of innocent souls.”
The Halakhic instrument promoted by ultra-Orthodox rabbis, both in
Israel
and the U.S., that ultimately convinced Yigal Amir that he should kill
Yitzhak Rabin was the ancient Jewish doctrine of zealotry. The doctrine
maintains that under the most extreme circumstances, a God-loving Jew
can
kill another person without asking permission.
The doctrine of zealotry goes back to the first biblical Jewish
zealot-Pinchas
Ben-Eleazar. As told in the Bible, Pinchas, acting in awe of God, killed
Zimri, who had prostituted in public with a Midianite girl. Pinchas’s
problem was that the killing was totally unauthorized and he acted out
of
an uncontrollable momentary drive. And yet, in spite of the severity of
the
act, which was denounced, according to the Talmud, by the people’s
elders,
it was forgiven by God. The reason given was that Pinchas “was zealous
for
my sake among them.” God instantly terminated a plague that had already
killed 20,000 Jews. Pinchas’ entire line of ancestors were made priests
of
Israel. The prophet Elijah is also described in the Bible as a zealot
who
killed in his wrath 400 priests of Baal, a Canaanite god. Yigal Amir
convinced himself that in killing Rabin he was acting in the best
tradition
of Jewish zealotry.
For the ultra-Orthodox, both in Israel and the U.S., a form of
“messianic
Zionism,” which makes control over the biblical Land of Israel a
religious
mandate, has been growing. In his book, Terror in the Mind of God: the
Global Rise of Religious Violence, Professor Mark Juergensmayer notes
that
Jewish activists “haveŠbeen convinced that their violent acts have been
authorized as weapons in a divine warfare sanctioned by God. Dr. Baruch
Goldstein’s massacre at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron in 1994 was
described as a military actŠOne of his supporters explained, ‘It goes
back
to biblical times,’ indicating that the present-day Arabs are simply the
modern descendants of the enemies of Israel described in the Bible for
whom
God has unleashed wars of revenge.”
Thus far, the organized American Jewish community has done nothing to
isolate
the advocates of such violent extremism within its ranks. A vocal and
extreme
minority, sadly, has often been embraced in the name of an illusory
“Jewish
unity.” Any “unity” purchased at such a price has within it the seeds of
long-term disintegration.
Allan C. Brownfeld is a syndicated columnist and associate editor of the
Lincoln
Review, a journal published by the Lincoln Institute for Research and
Education,
and editor of Issues, the quarterly journal of the American Council for
Judaism. <end>
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I like the stilted construction of this particular lie:
“Even were it true that Israel evicted it’s Arabs (it’s not)”
Of course it is true that Israel expelled (not evicted, for this
has overtones of right and there was no right) somewhat more than
half the Arabs of Palestine. And even more true is that Israel
won’t let them come back. Blocking their return is illegal
under international law. Mr. Metz spouts the official Zionist line,
which is full of such damned lies.
RLA
“Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz” wrote:
> In <[email protected]>, on 01/22/2001
> at 07:23 PM, “rehan” <[NOSPAM]@nospam.com> said:
>
> >who done what first? heh? only reason they got kicked out was bcos
> >u’se bastards did it first. they would be there first if it werent
> >for u’se wanks.
>
> Even were it true that Israel evicted it’s Arabs (it’s not), that
> would still not have anything to do with the blatantly antisemitic
> actions of your brethern; the Jews that you expelled were not citizens
> of Israel until you forced them to move there.
>
> Too many people plonk you, so you had to change your address? Back
> into the filters. *PLONK*
>
> —
> ———————————————————–
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
> Atid/2
> Team OS/2
> Team PL/I
>
> Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal
> action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any
> abusive E-mail.
>
> I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to
> domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to
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Rabbis Must Speak Out | Lloyd Flaum
Letters | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | October 10, 2000.
I am sick of the fighting in Israel. How many more will die in the name
of
religion or a piece of land that can’t be shared with all people who
find
their religions centered in this part of the world?
As a Jew, I call on all religious leaders to speak out against the
killing.
How many sermons on Yom Kippur were wasted on Zionism, inter-faith
marriages, giving money to the synagogue and the other typical concerns
of
the rabbis? Now is the time to speak out against the killing of all
people
in the name of religion and land.
Peace now! Speak out in synagogue and in church. We all have something
vested
in peace in the Middle East. Jews must stop the fighting, killing and
maiming. As Prime Minister Ehud Barak flexes his military might, how
many
Atlanta Jews are sickened by his militaristic threats against the
Palestinians? How many rabbis will attempt to raise the consciousness of
Jews that the fighting can stop with Barak urging peace instead of
threatening further military action against the Palestinians?
Let me know because I won’t be attending synagogues this year. I am sick
of
American Jewish leaders encouraging the violence to continue instead of
speaking out against it.
Lloyd Flaum, Marietta, GA
People posting on SCJ assert that posts there about Israel are off
topic,
yet all the major Jewish organizations ardently support Israel, and the
President of the Conference … is Ronald Lauder, an extreme right wing
Zionist. There is a certain schizophrenia here, wanting to support
Israel
yet not being held to account for the crimes Israel commits.
Sort of a wanting to have one’s cake and eat it too.
RLA
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Now I Am Ashamed | Sarah Shartal
Letters | The Toronto Star, October 18, 2000.
As an Israeli born before the occupation, I have watched as my people
became
the overseers of cheap dependent workers, and we became richer off their
labor. We expropriated their land and resources and we limit their
economy.
Now we have inflicted the most violent attacks against them that I have
seen in my lifetime.
Also frightening is how Jewish Israelis are attacking Arab Israelis.
Mosques,
homes and businesses owned by Arab Israeli citizens have been attacked,
looted
and burned, while Jewish Israeli citizens shout, “Death to the Arabs.”
To
date, our government has not protected its Arab citizens. When Jews from
Nazareth Elite (a town near Nazareth) invaded Nazareth and started to
loot
local stores, local citizens came out to try to stop them. The army came
in
and shot the Arab victims of the attack, killing two of them.
Inside our country we have always divided our citizens by race. It’s
written into our identity cards.
Jewish Israelis have more legal rights than Arab Israelis with respect
to
where they can live and work. Although we’re taxed equally, we spend
more
on Jewish schoolchildren than on Arab children. In Jewish towns and
cities,
we built better housing, better roads, better community centers and
better
social services.
I grew up loving my country and now I am ashamed.
I remember reading something Thoreau wrote when slaves were still owned
in
the United States. He wrote, “You may not have a responsibility to free
your fellow man but you have a responsibility to get off his back.” At a
minimum we and our country should get off the backs of the Palestinians.
The West Bank and Gaza Strip are their lands.
Inside our country, if we are to survive with any humanity we must
protect
all of our country regardless of religion, race or opinions.
Sarah Shartal, Toronto, Canada
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The Saddest Sentence | Brad Rubin
Letters | The Washington Post | October 18, 2000.
An Oct. 13 news story about a pro-Israel rally in New York referred to a
sign held by a protester that read, “Don’t Throw Rocks and You Won’t Get
Killed.” This is perhaps the saddest single sentence I have read yet. As
a
faithful and observant Jew, I am told by the organizations that
supposedly
represent me-with the spin summarized in that sign-that I must be
entirely
pro-Israeli in my reactions to the recent violence.
As someone who believes in God and the principles of my religion, I
cannot
accept this sign, these statements, this representation. How offensive
that
I must be told that I must believe the Sixth Commandment has conditions,
that all people were not created in God’s image and that I should be
complicitous in the violation of all I have learned in synagogue because
it
will damage Israel’s political position.
Israel and the American Jewish community have demanded that Yasser
Arafat
and the Palestinian people disclaim the murders of the two soldiers
killed
before the world’s eyes. Although they should be justified in making
this
demand, how have they disclaimed the killing of 100 Palestinians, other
than by insinuating that they do not have the same value as Israeli
soldiers? How can Mr. Arafat order his people to stop protesting when we
proclaim our pride in our ability to kill them? And when will Israel,
the
American Jewish community and the media demand actual allegiance to the
principles, ethics and values of the religions that have supposedly
created
this conflict?
Brad Rubin, Washington, DC
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No More Knee Jerk Solidarity | Alan Schechner
Letters | The Savannah Morning News | November 9, 2000.
Although I did not attend the Solidarity with Israel rally on Oct. 13,
I,
like many at the rally, was brought up and educated to love and defend
Israel. Like many, I, too, am in pain at recent developments in Israel
and
the occupied territories.
My Zionist education culminated in my moving to Israel at age 18. During
the eight years I spent living in the country, I lived on kibbutzim,
both
religious
and secular. I volunteered and served in the army, seeing active duty
both
in Lebanon and in the occupied territories.
I lived on a Jewish settlement in the occupied territories and finally
worked for two years on Arab-Jewish relations, which included one year
living in an Israeli Arab village. As I write this, my parents and two
sisters still live in Israel.
It therefore pains me to say this but it is my opinion, based on my
experiences,
that Israel is a deeply racist and unjust society and that Zionism, at
least in its current form, degrades and demeans much of what is
beautiful
in Jewish culture.
My time in the army included the ongoing humiliation and oppression of
the
Palestinian population of the occupied territories. This was achieved by
an
endless list of roadblocks, document checks, public humiliations,
curfews and
violent suppressions of free speech.
One particularly painful memory for me is the night when I, together
with
my unit, was ordered to break into the houses of elderly Palestinians,
overturn their belongings, desecrate their peace and peace of mind for
no
other reason than to let them know who was boss.
As part of an invading force in Lebanon, I saw firsthand the evils of
collective
punishment. I saw whole communities destroyed because of the action of
one
individual. I saw a beautiful country destroyed by the megalomaniac
desires of
Ariel Sharon, whose already bloodstained hands are visible again in
these
latest troubles.
Living on a West Bank settlement I was appalled to learn that Saturday
night
activities there often consisted of breaking windows, overturning
vehicles and
generally causing havoc in the local Arab village. This unfortunately is
the reality of Israel- not the dreams of an enlightened Jewish homeland
that I was sold at my Zionist Youth Group and Jewish community.
In an attempt to work against these negative forces, in an attempt to
construct the Israel of my dreams, I worked for two years as a community
worker in
Arab-Jewish relations within Israel. That experience, though not as
horrific as
what had gone on before, again pointed to a deeply discriminatory
society.
Arab Israelis, taxpayers, voters were living in conditions far below
those
of Jewish citizens. Many villages lacked basic amenities. There were
open
sewers running through the streets, schools were overcrowded with few
facilities and fewer books. The list goes on and on and on.
So while I understand the longing of the Jewish community to show
solidarity with Israel, and I understand its need to help in some way, I
cannot help but balk at the statements of Israeli Vice Consul Ilan
Segev,
when he says that “Israel just wants peace,” or of Moise Paz, when he
insinuates that helicopter gunships and live ammunition are an apt
response
to a crowd of teenage stone-throwers.
Yes, we must show solidarity, but not with forces and ideologies that
perpetuate and encourage violence and discrimination. Instead of this
knee
jerk solidarity, let us search out and support those groups and
institutions, both Arab and Jewish, that are working for a fair and
equitable solution to the problems in Israel.
Let us support those groups that wish to put an end to over 30 years of
brutal
Israeli occupation, and let us support the human rights of all the
citizens
of this region.
If the local Jewish community, as your headline states, wants the
violence
to end in Israel, these are the steps that we must take.
Alan Schechner, Savannah, GA
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>From Dr. Bill Friend:
Here are some useful websites for information and contacts.
Palestine Diary http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PalestineDiary
Alternative Information Center
www.oneworld.org/euconflict/guides/orgs/meast/431.htm
CHALLENGE Magazine (Roni Ben-Efrat) www.odaction.org/challenge/
Critical-Jews-Worldwide www.mindspring.com/~oznik/index.html
Elias Daviddson (The Dark Web pages of Zionism)
www.juscogens.org/engl.html
DIR YASSIN – Israeli Punk Band (check out their song lyrics)
www.angelfire.com/il/deiryassin/index.html
Jewish People’s Liberation Organization (Canada)
www.cam.org/~suulaha/jploolpj/decl-eng.htm
Jews Against The Occupation-NYC www.angelcities.com/members/jato/
Jews For Justice www.cactus48.com/tmth.html
Jews For Racial and Economic Justice www.jfrej.org/
Neturei Karta (The Guardians of the City – anti-Zionist Chasidic
Organization) www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/5750/home.html
Noam Chomsky www.lbbs.org/ZNETTOPnoanimation.html
Norman Finkelstein www.normanfinkelstein.com
SEARCH (Ned Hanauer) www.searchforjustice.org/main.html
Jewish Peace Fellowship www.jewishpeacefellowship.org/index.htm
The Coalition for Justice in Hawaiian Gardens & Jerusalem [ Rabbi Haim
Dov
Beliak](Originally StopMoskowitz – i.e, Dr. Irving Moskowitz, Bingo King
and
major donor to illegal settlements)
www.stopmoskowitz.com/index.html
The Ethical Spectacle (monthly, frequent essays on M.E. conflict)
www.spectacle.org
The Other Israel http://members.tripod.com/~other_Israel/index.html
Torah True Jews Against Zionism www.jewsnotzionists.org
Bat Shalom-Feminist Center for Peace in the M.E. (Gila Svirsky)
www.batshalom.org
The Traubman Family Jewish-Palestinian Living Room Dialogue Group in
California
www.igc.org/traubman/dg-prog.htm
Middle East Crisis Committee (Stanley Heller) www.thestruggle.org
The American Council for Judaism (oldest continuous secular Jewish
anti-Zionist organization, started 1941 by Rabbi Louis Wolsey, exec.
dir.
for 30 years – Rabbi Elmer Berger. Activists included Alfred M.
Lilienthal
(The Zionist Connection), Moshe Menuhin, father of Yehudi Menuhin;
Lessing
Rosenwald and others.) www.acjna.org
Gush Shalom www.gush-shalom.org
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APPALLING EQUATION
In an op ed published in the Israeli paper Ha’aretz this morning, Gideon
Levy pointed out the grave situation in the occupied Palestinian
territories threatening to push the area into a devastating war.
According the Levy, “It has been a long time – since their calamity in
1948 – that the Palestinians have endured such a hard Feast of the
Sacrifice. Just an hour’s drive from Jerusalem, a cruel drama has been
under way for the past five months the likes of which have not been seen
since the early period of the Israeli occupation, but the majority of
Israelis are taking absolutely no interest in it. The iron grip of the
closure in its new format is increasingly strangling a population of 2.8
million people, yet no one is saying a word, not around the cabinet
table of the outgoing government – the peace government – not among
those who are going to serve in the new government, and not in the
opposition of the Zionist left.”
Levy went on to state, “It has to be said starkly and simply: There has
never been a closure like this there, in the land of the barriers and
the closures.”
“No one enters and no one leaves, not those who are pregnant and not
those who are dying. There isn’t even a soldier with whom one can plead
and beg. The village, the refugee camp or the town are besieged and
their residents are imprisoned. A schoolchild cannot get safely to his
school, or a student to her college, or an adult to his work…”
“This mass jailing of an entire people, with its monstrously inhumane
dimension, entails also a mortal economic blow. According to data of the
United Nations envoy Terje Roed-Larsen, the credibility of which there
is no reason to doubt, the Palestinians are losing $6.8 million a day
because of the present closure, and to date their losses total more than
a billion dollars. For an economy that was shaky to begin with, that is
a deathblow. A quarter of a million unemployed, a million people living
beneath the Palestinian poverty line – $2.10 a day – and a 50 percent
decline in the gross national product: These are nightmarish statistics
not only for the Palestinians but for the Israelis as well…”
“Their hardship will be transformed into more and more terrorist
attacks. This is the point: the horrific distress of the Palestinians
because of the present closure will quickly turn into the distress of
the Israelis. If their Feast of the Sacrifice looks the way it does,
then our Purim will not bring with it much happiness either. Simple as
it is, no one is taking into account the gravity of this appalling
equation…”
“The present closure is totally unrelated to security considerations.
Anyone who doubts this is invited to go to the barriers and roadblocks
and see thousands of pedestrians and vehicles managing, despite
everything, to sneak into Israel under the nose of the soldiers. Those
who are willing to take the risk of doing this in order to work will
certainly also do it in order to perpetrate a terrorist attack. The true
purpose of the closure is to please the frightened settlers and perhaps
also, the suspicion arises, to destroy the Palestinian Authority, for
reasons, which are difficult to comprehend.
“The current siege, a shamefully appalling operation, must be lifted
quickly. This must not be made conditional on the cessation of the
violence, because the siege itself is the most effective spur of
violence…”
Levy concluded by stating, “There is no measure that the prime
minister-elect, Ariel Sharon, can take that would contribute more to
effecting a dramatic change in the situation than to remove, immediately
and unconditionally, the trenches and the earth ramparts from the
already difficult life of the Palestinians…”
The full article is available on the Internet at:
http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/htmls/kat9_4.htm
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Red Herring wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 10:22:32 -0600, Roger Alexander
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >”The present closure is totally unrelated to security considerations.
> >Anyone who doubts this is invited to go to the barriers and roadblocks
> >and see thousands of pedestrians and vehicles managing, despite
> >everything, to sneak into Israel under the nose of the soldiers.
>
> Some closure, huh?
>
> The Pallies have no right to enter Israel. Those who manage to sneak past
> Israeli checkpoints ought to be apprehended, tried and given stiff
> sentences.
>
> Let the murderous bastards develop their own economy, or starve to death.
>
And just how do you suppose they are going to develop an economy when they
have no access to any border, and no acces to one another, while the murderous
bastards who jail them for no reason other than that they won’t give up to the
bastards willingly while they breathe, keep them penned up. YOu are a real
piece of work, whoever you are, you anonymous coward.
RLA
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Thanks Barry.
I cannot respond directly to your remark. I don’t think of religions per
se to like or dislike.
I was born and brought up in the Methodist sect of Christianity, an offshoot of
the Church
of England, itself an offshoot of the catholic Church. I do look upon cults
and cult like entities
in the same way as one looks at rabid dogs. Scientology, ofr example, has done
incalculable
harm to a multitude of people, probably because the people running that crazy
cult are so
greedy. And, of course, they have no care for the people harmed. In a lesser
way, MLM
marketers are sort of like them, knowing that the people they draft into their
schemes have
no chance of getting rich, but knowing that they, the originators, will make
money anyway.
Again, I think the owners of businesses like Amway (for example, I have no
intention of singling
it out) do not care for the wellbeing of the people they inveigle into
investing their time and
money into the business.
I look at Zionism much the same way. The original Zionists were AShkenazi
Jews who
came to Palestine with the avowed purpose of throwing the Palestinians out.
They have damn
near accomplished that, and they are busy every day killing and maiming the
Palestinians who
resist the final solution. But even among their own the Ashkenazi are the
owners of the Zionist
business. They treat the Sephardim as second class citizens, and of course,
the Druze worse,
and Arab Israelis worst. Witness, for example, the killing of thirteen Arab
Israelis in the most
carefree way last October.
I know this isn’t quite responsive to your post, but it’s the best I can
do.
RLA
Barry Bowser wrote:
> I happen to think Ultra Orthodoxy is important. Even though I am not ultra
> orthodox, when I ripped out the new testament completely off of the bible
> and kept the o.t., my intestines felt much better.
> I used to think of myself as freind to all the religions, now I am not so
> sure. I still am a freind of Jesus/Yeshua but I am not so impressed with
> his followers. I am enemy of any religion that is enemy to the Yehudi.
>
> “David Goldman” <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]…
> > >You are so fullof shit it comes out of your nose, idiot! What the
> > >majority of Israel is opposed to is control by religious fanatics who
> > >would like nothing better than reduce personal freedom, take over the
> > >rendering of justice; at the same times those parasites who do not
> > >work, collect welfare, do not serve in the military while the country
> > >is at war.
> >
> > Nero fiddles as Rome burns………….The Zionist idol is just about
> > at its end……..
