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Janet L. Littler writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]

>. C’mon, get your oar in the water.

actually Janet, many of us have long wondered if he was capable of having
both oars in the water 🙂

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, Eric Engelmann
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>His web page note speaks for itself.

cheez Eric, you expect him to take *responsibility* for his actions???
but he’s a liberal….

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Hi Harry,

> We’re done. Period. I went to several militia and
> 10th Amendment meetings since ’93. I hate to say it,
> but what I saw was a small band of devout, but loser,
> Christians. I gave it a fair chance.

hmm, well, that depends. IF you at least tried to do something, tried to
make a change, and failed at doing so, then I guess I could agree that you
‘gave it a fair chance’. On the other hand, if you sat around at those
meetings waiting for someone else to tell you what to do, then no, all
you’ve really done is seek a rationalization for your own inaction.
There’s a big difference.

> Hell, most of them didn’t even *exist* on paper. What
> are *they* going to do? Nothing, that’s what.
>
> Absolutely nothing.

Oh, I don’t know about “absolutely nothing”, though certainly the results
will be diminished to the degree that you and your skills will not be
present to assist them. Tell me, Harry, if we fail, but only by a small
margin, will you have any problems looking at yourself in the mirror, or
will you continue to go on pointing your finger elsewhere, saying ‘him –
he was the one who didn’t do enough!’ ?

> Likewise with the American public. Nothing, as long Sam
> keeps making empty promises that they can hang some small
> MOLECULE of hope upon.

uh, Harry, WE are the American public – each of us – you, me, and that guy
behind the tree. If you, or I, or anyone else, wants the ‘American
public’ to do something, guess where they have to start? Yep, right there
at home.

> I thought that Duke might accomplish something, too.
>
> Nothing.

Well, I’m not a David Duke fan – I’m allergic to klan members – but my
question remains the same Harry – if you thought he might have
accomplished something, what did you do to help?

> The “Republican Revolution” is another sad joke.

Again the question arises – if this seemed like an opportunity for
positive change, where were you when it began? What were *you* doing?

> You’re certainly free to sacrifice yourself on some
> noble but hopeless cause. It doesn’t matter a lot to
> me.

au contraire Harry! It obviously matters a great deal to you, or you
wouldn’t be here on m.a.m. seeking self-justification. Now that you know
you wont find it here, what will *you* do next? You see Harry, the
problem with individual responsibility is that you can’t really run away
>from it. Since the responsibility is *yours*, is in fact actually a part
of you (as it is a part of each of us) you simply can’t escape it. Will
you turn and face your responsibilities Harry, or will you try running
somewhere else?

> It’s kind of sad, but personally, I can’t see
> getting myself killed or imprisoned for a bunch of
> lazy, middle-class knuckleheads, no matter how
> cool-sounding the slogans are.

hmm, let’s see, those ‘knuckleheads’ are actively trying to change a bad
situation, and you aren’t…if *they* are lazy, where does that leave you?
[oh, and BTW, most of us AREN’T here for the ‘cool sounding slogans’
either – it’s the ideas behind the slogans that matter Harry – just
thought you’d want to know.]

> Actually, it’s pretty damn funny to me a lot of time.
> It’s like watching a bad movie.

perhaps so, but the question you need to ask yourself is whether or not
life is supposed to be a spectator sport….

> It took a couple of years, but my wife finally talked
> some sense into me. “We take care of ourselves now,
> we can’t save other people” “Our family comes before
> political or ethical ideals”

if you give up your ethics, what will be left to hold your family
together?

> Hell, half the patriots are CROOKS! They’re scamming
> the system, jabbering about the Constitution while
> doing White Power salutes. It’s incredible to me. The
> dang Christians are jabbering about “freedom”, and then
> jabbering about the “right to life” in the next, and
> jabbering about “the drug war” in the next.

That’s funny, Harry, none of the people I work with use ‘white power’
anything. My group includes Christians, at least one Zen practitioner, a
couple of new age types, we’re very ecumenical. We don’t jabber a whole
lot either. On the other hand, since I’m one of the folks who helped get
the group started (primarily because I hadn’t found one I really wanted to
join, up to that point) I guess my question to you is – if you didn’t like
the group that was already there, why didn’t you at least *try* to form
one of your own – one you *would* be comfortable associating with?

> When they figure out that they can’t abridge other
> people’s “freedom” without abridging their own, maybe
> they’ll get somewhere.

Without you there to help them learn that, Harry, how much longer do you
think it will take before they discover it on their own?

> It’s not going to happen, though. It’s a very bad
> bet at this point. Much better to bet on Sam, I think.
>
> Hail, Caesar!

You might try studying a little history, Harry. If you do, I think you’ll
find that those who grovel are only safe as long as there are others, like
us, who resist the Beast. If we are in fact destroyed, the Beast’s
appetite will not be sated, it’s thirst for blood will not be slaked, and
it will need to find other prey. What will you do then, Harry? What will
YOU do then?

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Scott Alan
Malcomson) writes:

>Then you’re amazingly capable of skimming past the reams that have been
>posted here concerning federal failures to police their own when their
>own kill people (eg, Ruby Ridge/Waco).

Oh, c’mon Scott! it’s easy! all he has to do is close his eyes….

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Michael
Hollomon, Jr.) writes:

>I would have no idea. But you are asking in the right place. I’m
>sure one of our resident militists will be happy to whip that out from
>his hotlist and email it to you in a jiffy.

y’know kid, if you’d actually bothered to *read* any of this newsgroup,
before wading in, you might have discovered that we tend to chase the
nazidiots out of here whenever they raise their unwashed heads.

Arlin H. Adams
[Who, among other things, has been declared a ‘race traitor’ by the white
supremacists]

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
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>
> I’ve sent the message and reply to AOL for them to determine who it
>is that did write it. I shall be more than appy to find out who it was
>and whta can be done about showing them the error of their ways.

Thankyou. Please let me know what you find out in this matter.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
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> It reminded me too much
>of the same fanatical refusal of you militiaboys to even begin to
consider
>that there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat.

sorry you feel that way, Jim. Y’see there are as many different cat
skinning techniques as there are militia units…versatility is one of our
strong suites.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Scott Alan
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>
> Now, let’s get this straight: only groups of armed people in
>outright rebellion against their lawful government are “real” Militia?

no, no, Scott, you missed the point! according to mark, the ‘real’
militia are ANYONE other than us…haven’t you figured that out yet? 🙂

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Michael
Hollomon, Jr.) writes:

>You have already admitted (aw, don’t try and take it back now) that
>*any* restriction on your personal liberties is per se unreasonable.
>Accordingly, you feel that the Constitution should guarantee every
>American the right to: (1) ingest any and every kind of narcotic
>known; (2) carry concealed all manner of military devices and weaponry
>(including weapons grade plutonium); and (3) advocate and promote
>*any* agenda, including the assasination of our President and the
>violent overthrow of our government.

y’know, Michael, I can’t really decide what’s better about your trolls –
that you spend so much time on them, thus keeping you off the streets, and
effectively out of action; or that once you figure out that you will
accomplish nothing here, you will have generated so many new nightmares
for yourself, through fantasies like those above, that you are most
likely to do the typical liberal thing and simply blame yourself. After
all, as a liberal you believe it’s all your fault, anyway, now don’t you?

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tim Hill)
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>No, they just bomb day care centers and defend folks like David Koresh
>who execute children after a lifetime of raping them.

tim, tim, tim, you’ve been trying this same troll for the last two
years…no militia person, ever bombed any day care center, and Koresh was
still an American citizen with the same basic rights as anyone else. See,
I’ve got the entire rebuttal down to less than a paragraph. You really
need to try a different song.

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matthew
Gaylor) writes:

>Proof positive that public education is deficient. See the above
sentence
>for confirmation.

Now Matthew, you know he’ll just claim that his grammar is the only legal
grammar…:-)

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In article <[email protected]>, Solomon
writes:

oh look! a troll! how droll!
and just look at whose name he stole!

Arlin
[who figured Dr. Seuss was about the level the troll’s author was ready
for, in any case]

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(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>Do you think that early Americans all had easy access to a “Bonne Homme
>Richard”?

uh, mark, I think you missed the logic here:
a. The Bonne Homme Richard was a privately owned ship.
b. The Bonne Homme Richard was armed with military weapons.(cannon, don’t
you know…)
therefore
c. Military weapons were available for private ownership.

simple enough, really.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Scott Alan
Malcomson) writes:

>: Mililitia ‘Chaplain’?? Heh a man of god playing with guns and
>: wearing cammies.
>
>ROFL! Hempster, even my OLD chaplain — the one who served the 3rd
>Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, U.S. Army — wore cammies! As
>for toting rifles, it’s hardly unheard of. Try reading up on the Battle o

>the Bulge for some examples of chaplains in combat, some of whom were
>awarded Congressional Medals of Honor…some posthumously.

Hi Scott,
pardon for jumping in, but since frankie is apparently ignorant of the
history of military chaplains, I’d just like to interject that the history
of armed chaplains extends at *least* back to to WWII. Y’see my dad was
an Army chaplain with one of the combat engineer groupss which helped
recapture New Guinea. He, and all of his fellow chaplains were required
by general orders to go armed at all times. Good thing, too, as he had to
USE said firearm defensively on several occaisions.

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Harry
Langford) writes:

> As posted before, I did write letters, for almost
> two years, to various congress reps.
>
> A waste of time. Simply looking at the legislation
> that’s been passed in that time is proof.

Harry, that’s why *we* are all here. I doubt there’s anyone among the
militia members here on m.a.m. who hasn’t repeatedly called, written, or
faxed their congresscritter, handed out leaflets, done volunteer work, all
of that. Once the system proved that it had become almost totally
unresponsive, slowly, and for some of us painfully, we became aware that
armed resistance may well be the only effective alternative left. I
dunno, I guess it’s just that, for most of us, running away isn’t seen as
a positive option.

> I also wasted several hundred dollars in donations,
> copies, transcripts, etc.

Hmm, I guess it depends on who you donated to, can’t really comment on
that, other than to say that even though I live just above the poverty
level, I still send a hundred bucks or so the NRA every year…not because
I think they can rescue the situation all by themselves, but because any
organization which stands up for individual rights makes it that much
harder for the statists to operate. I guess I think of it as putting my
money where my mouth is, you know?

As far as the ‘copies, transcripts, etc’ go, again, I’m uncertain of
exactly what you purchased, but I would ask you if, had you not gotten
that material, would you be as aware of the problems facing us as you are
now? Would you have known to your current degree of certainty just how
corrupt and evil portions of our government have become? We pay for
knowledge in different ways, not always with money, but as long as we
learn from our expenditures, I’m not at all sure we can call them a
complete waste of effort.

> Although, I have to admit, I did get to see the real
> FLIR video out of it all. That alone was worth the
> price.

ah, my point exactly.

>: present to assist them. Tell me, Harry, if we fail, but only by a
small
>: margin, will you have any problems looking at yourself in the mirror,
or
>: will you continue to go on pointing your finger elsewhere, saying ‘him

>: he was the one who didn’t do enough!’ ?
>
>
> Nope. I’ve already got my Canadian passport ready. 🙂

uh, Harry, if you’ll notice in the above, I didn’t specify from where you
might go on pointing your finger….

>: uh, Harry, WE are the American public – each of us – you, me, and that
guy
>: behind the tree. If you, or I, or anyone else, wants the ‘American
>: public’ to do something, guess where they have to start? Yep, right
there
>: at home.
>
> Oh, come on.

Well, okay, maybe that guy behind the tree is just there to report on our
conversation, so I guess that only leaves you and me, eh?:-) More
seriously though, I would ask you to stop and think for a moment – whether
or not you like it, you *are* a role model. For the young, those less
fortunate, those who have perhaps begun to realize that something has gone
terribly wrong in the world, but aren’t quite sure yet what to do about it
– those folks. THOSE are the people who are looking around, trying to
find examples, trying to learn from the actions of others, the best way to
deal with this current mess that we’re in. Here you are, an older,
successful guy, someone who looks and acts quite knowledgable about the
situation. So tell me, Harry, what do such folks learn from watching you?
What does your example teach them?

> Charles Duke. Donated money.

My most humble appologies for misunderstanding.

> You know what’s really funny? I’m essentially
> a Fed, so I get crap and suspicion from the militia guys,
> ’cause I have money to donate and have short hair and
> white socks.
>
> I get crap from the Feds because I actually believe
> there should be non-baised enforcement of laws, that the laws
> apply to everyone.
>
> What the hell kind of crap is this?

well, it’s crap, no doubt about that, but nothing any number of other
folks, including myself, haven’t gone through. Harry, I used to work for
an INTELLIGENCE organization…do you have any IDEA of the level of
garbage people in the movement threw at me when I first got involved? And
yes, I *still* have short hair. And yes I still wear white socks some
times…except NOW they’re white BOOT socks.

> Seriously, what kind of deal is it where *I* get
> shafted by both sides, when I’m really tired of both sides,
> and when I could be plundered the system for some good cash?

The same deal received by everyone else who works to maintain their moral
and ethical standards in this decaying society. Why in the heck do you
think WE are all HERE?

>: Again the question arises – if this seemed like an opportunity for
>: positive change, where were you when it began? What were *you* doing?
>
> Wasting time and money.
> Writing worthless letters.

In other words you were taking every available action you could think of,
and learning that those sorts of actions were no longer effective. Just
like the rest of us, you were learning from your mistakes. C’mon Harry,
everybody makes mistakes, and the ones you made are the same ones WE all
made. The lessons you learned were the lessons WE learned as well –
that’s why we’ve all, in the end, found ourselves here.

> Actually, this is true. It does matter to me.
> What matters to me is that I’ve always had this
> picture of how the country is. And it’s not true.

Harry the ideal is rarely found, and even more rarely maintained. But
that doesn’t make it any less valid as an ideal, as a goal for which to
strive.

> It’s taken me several years to figure it out, but
> the great majority of hte population doesn’t believe
> in equal rights. They claim to, but they don’t.

The majority of the population doesn’t understand what equal rights
actually entail. They certainly don’t understand that equal rights *also*
require equal responsibilities. Obviously, they can’t *do* something they
don’t currently comprehend. But that doesn’t mean that they can’t learn.
My experience has been that people learn these sorts of things best by
being exposed to consistent examples – what do you think?

> The great majority of the population doesn’t believe
> in honesty.

I certainly couldn’t say *what* the great majority of the population
believe, since as we just discussed, most of them don’t understand the
real implications of much of what they *claim* to believe. I can,
however, say that the people with whom I willingly associate value honesty
highly, else I would not go near them.

> There *are* posted rules, but if you play
> by them, you end up bitter and poor. I’m doing MUCH
> better, financial, since I started playing by the real
> rules.

hmm, well, as a Libertarian, I generally play by *my* rules. I guess my
question in this instance, Harry, is this: whose rules are *you* playing
by?

> I would wish that we had a real American culture in
> the country, but quite frankly, we don’t. I absolutely
> don’t believe it anymore.

Culture is something that happens when people come together and form real,
supportive, communities. In many places no such real communities exist.
Therefore the only semblance of culture is some sort of destructive,
self-involved, hedonistic temporary construct. I would certainly classify
NYC as such a place. Good heavens, large portions of THIS metropolitan
area (DC) are also that way…but that doesn’t excuse me from working with
*my* friends to build the kind of community to which *we* aspire…I guess
you’d call it an American community – I know we sure do.

> Don’t knock running until you try it. It’s done *me*
> a world of good. I wonder if Canada will be as good
> an opportunity?

Well, it would seem that running has kept you alive. It would also seem
that it hasn’t kept you very happy. Any idea why that might be?

> Sure, the ideas matter. But not to the bulk of the
> population.

Harry, right now the bulk of the population doesn’t even know what the
ideas, and ideals, of freedom are! They’ve been indoctrinated against
them for a long, long, time. 25 years ago, when I was in high school,
there was a musical group known as The Fifth Dimension – you may have
heard of them. One of the songs they recorded was a portion of the
Declaration of Independence, set to music – The part that begins with the
words “We hold these truths…”. One Sunday, they sang that song as part
of the half time show for a football game – the network was subsequently
innundated by phone calls from angry viewers wanting to know why they’d
allowed *communist* propaganda on the air. That was a quarter of a
century ago. The point of all this, Harry is that much of the struggle
which lies before us is NOT a contest of arms (though it may indeed come
to that) but a process of EDUCATION. In as much as this is so, we, in our
capicity as the militias, are at *least* as much teachers as we are
fighters.

> The bulk of the population are inherently dishonest,
> but desperately trying to convince themselves that
> they’re not.

This, I cannot speak to, as I am not empowered to judge their moral values
– only to maintain my own.

> Why should *I* get killed defending a bunch of clowns
> who *deserve* to be plundered by an evil government?

Well, I can’t answer that either, since I don’t hang out with that sort of
individual. If I have to die, it will be in defense of my friends, who
make up the community of which I am a part. Maybe the situation is such,
that what you really need to do is find a more constructive
community…but then I think I’ve mentioned that already.

> It’s not a question of “giving up ethics”. It’s
> a matter of adopting ethics that work. The only
> purpose for ethics in a society is to enhance the
> survival value of its members.

ah well, here we stand in very different spaces, you and I. For I hold
that the only purpose of ethics in a community are to operationalize the
moral values of the community members.

> If my “ethics” endanger my survival, what good
> are they?

If survival means constantly running, living in anger and fear, what good
is that?

> I refuse to be exploited anymore on the basis of
> an ethical heritage that isn’t working.

No one can exploit us against our will, Harry. It is always a choice
whether we allow someone power over us, or not. Anything less is an
abrogation of individual responsibility.

> That’s a good question. Probably because I have
> no desire to be a “leader”.

May I ask why you would not wish to be a leader?

> I’ve found, over the
> past few years, that I don’t particularly like
> people in general.

Ah, here my question is: people in general, or simply those you associate
with currently?

> It’s like watching a bunch of robots going through
> the motions. Do you think Holloman can *think*?

Hmm, if you mean that in the sense of ‘is he currently using his intellect
in a critical, analytical fashion’ then I would agree that he is not. But
he’s young, Harry, and he’s been very heavily indoctrinated – we can all
see that. Yet I believe he has the capacity to think. Our challenge with
here, then, is to confront him in ways that may force him to exercise that
capacity.

> I don’t think Pittcavage can, either.

Ah, well now, pittcavage is another kind of a beastie altogether. He
*can* think. It’s just that he’s in continual self-inflicted pain. His
low self image, which he externalizes through his pitiful attempts at
snobbery, makes him incapable of considering himself to be an acceptable
human being. In order to off-set this, he has taken on the impossible
task of attempting to single-handedly stop the movement. Of course we
continue to grow apace, which means that his self image continues to
lower, his self-inflicted pain continues to grow, and he struggles even
harder, wallowing along toward his inevitable selfdestruction. The only
question in my mind, is whether he has intentionally chosen this evil
road, or whether the pain, even at the start, was so intense as to blind
him to the basic concepts of right and wrong. I doubt we’ll ever know.

> In fact,
> as near as I can estimate, at least half the
> population can’t think; they just react with their
> programming.

I wont debate the fact that a large portion of the population is running
on autopilot, but as I pointed out concerning Holloman, that doesn’t mean
they couldn’t be educated.

> If they’ve spent even 1/10 of the time I have,
> it should be goddamn SELF EVIDENT by now.

Certainly, had they understood that to which they were exposed. Part of
that educational process I was talking about, before, involves helping
them to understand the problems, even helping to understand that there ARE
problems…it’s all part of the same struggle, Harry.

> They’re programmed. They’re not going to
> change.

Not without help, they aren’t.

> I’ve quite enough history, thank you.
> It’s not particularly salable.

shame on you Harry! studying history isn’t about salability – it’s about
survival. I thought survival was your penultimate concern…..

>
>: it will need to find other prey. What will you do then, Harry? What
will
>: YOU do then?
>
>
> Oh, come on. The longer Sam squeezes, the
> more militia types are going to pop up. Sam
> has his hands full now. I hardly doubt that
> Sam will exhaust his potential enemies during
> the time frame I need.

To run away again? Sam is not the Beast itself, merely it’s current
incarnation. You’ve run from the Beast before, Harry, you’ve said as much
yourself. It wasn’t Sam last time, was it? Yet it was still the Beast.
It wont be Sam next time, but it will still be the Beast. It feeds on
fear Harry, the more people flee, the more it follows them. The *only*
thing which hold it at bay, is when people turn and fight. Not everyone
wins Harry, and not all the time, but fighting is really our only
chance…and although it may indeed be cliche’, I, at least, would still
rather die on my feet than live on my knees. What about you, Harry? What
about you?

Arlin H. Adams

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writes:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (AHABIZ) writes:
>
>>cheez Eric, you expect him to take *responsibility* for his actions???
>>but he’s a liberal….
>
>Humph, Arlin.
>
>Geez, _some_ of us liberals take responsibility. Besides, is he really a
>liberal? Or just a profiteer trying to cash in on a hysteria?

Okay, Wiz, I stand corrected, *some* liberals DO take responsibility for
their actions, tim just isn’t one of them. as for a profiteer, I don’t
know that much about him – don’t tell me HE’s playing “expert” too now!
Yeesh!

Arlin

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Michael,

I received this initially as email, therefore I am responding via email.
If
the same post also later shows up on the newsgroup, I will post an
identical
copy of this response there, as well.

In a message dated 96-05-27 03:51:09 EDT, you write:
>On Sun, 26 May 96 19:33:03 GMT, [email protected] (AHABIZ) wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Michael
>>Hollomon, Jr.) writes:

>>ah, so tell me Michael, if the point comes where you find that reason no
>>longer prevails, what will you do then? What do you see as your
options,
>>should the government’s actions overstep *your* tolerance limits?
>
>Gee, Arlin, you *really* don’t get it, do you? Well let me try to
>explain it to you, one step at a time. In the U.S. our form of
>government is a “democracy.”

Incorrect assumption: The United States is actually a democratic
republic,
or a representative democracy, depending on which term you prefer, or at
least it was originally designed as such. A true democracy = 1
person/vote
on all issues. This has never occurred in this country.

>Well what is a democracy, you ask?
>
>1a: Government by the people; esp : rule of the majority

does not currently exist. In case you didn’t notice, Michael, only
something
like 29% of the electorate voted in the last election. Even more
importantly, the elected officials at the federal level actually make up
less
than 10 percent of the total government. The other 90% consists primarily
of
lifer bureaucrats, with a thin frosting of political appointees.
Majority
rule is a myth.

>1b: A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
> and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
> representation usu. involving periodically held free elections

which only functions so long as:
a. The majority of citizens actually deign to participate.
b. The elected officials’ actual authority and effectiveness outweighs
the
authority and effectiveness of the bureaucracies through which they are
forced to function.
and
c. The elections are truly free, in the sense that the electoral process
has
not been compromised by various power brokers and special interests in the
society.
None of those conditions currently exist either.

>2: A political unit that has a democratic government cap

uh, Michael, the People’s Republic of China could claim that their
‘political
unit’ has a democratic government cap, as well. That really doesn’t make
it
a democracy.

>3: The principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.

LOL! well, it’s nice to meet an honest partisan. Not a valid element to
the
democratic process from a Libertarian perspective Michael, sorry, no sale.

>4: The common people esp. when constituting the source of political
> authority

ah, so big business, big labor, and the various other special interests
don’t
have *any* influence on the political system, eh? LOL again! you
wouldn’t
happen to work for the DNC by any chance, would you? Michael the entire
system has been designed to minimize the input of the common people for at
least the last hundred years! Your item #4. certainly doesn’t describe
anything like the present system. no sale.

>5: The absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or
> privileges.

Tell you what, Michael, you come out here to DC some time and I’ll
introduce
you to some FOURTH and FIFTH GENERATION welfare families – you can lecture
them about the lack of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions in
American
society, okay? no sale with major points off for lack of reality on your
part.

>
>In short, a democracy, especially as practiced in the U.S., is a
>system of government in which the majority rules.

Already proven such a system does not exist in this country. See above.

Now that we’ve proven that, here’s a little question for you:

If people become aware that their government is no longer responsive to
their
needs, ignores all attempts at reform, and in fact is acting in a fashion
which directly inhibits their natural rights, seemingly moving to
increasing
levels of totalitarianism on a yearly basis should they:

a. sit around and pretend that voting alone will make it better?

b. bend over and stick their head in the sand, so that when the
government
does it to them they at least wont see it coming.

or

c. take whatever steps by whatever means they deem neccessary to secure
their rights, and their liberties.

If you answered a. or b. then I’m sure that you will have no problem
finding
a job with the current regime.

If you answered c. welcome to the resistance

>Well it certainly is a relief to see that you are not as stubborn in
>your prejudgments as are some of your cohorts. Now, if you would care
>to enlighten me as to those matters of which you believe me to be
>”misinformed,” I would be happy to *prove* you wrong in very short
>order.

I just have, and you just haven’t.

>Yeah well, I’m sure that the Oklahoma City bomber, no doubt an
>adherent of some of your miltist philosophies, would say that he was
>just taking *defensive* action against the onslaught of the evil
>empire (aka US Govt). After all, there’s no defense like a good
>offense, eh?

uh, no Michael, that’s in football. This is real life. It’s important to
try to remember the difference: Football is a spectator sport, real life
is
NOT. In real life the OKC bombers committed an atrocity, nothing more or
less. That was not a defensive reaction, and it most certainly was not
carried out by members of the local community. It was therefore, by
definition, NOT a militia action.

>If you were in fact merely becoming a *political* force, I would be
>happy for you (and would probably spend a lot less time in this
>newsgroup). The fact that you are readily willing to die for your
>cause gives me no cause for concern either. It is the fact that you
>are even more willing to *kill* your fellow countrymen for that cause
>which causes me some concern.

LOL! so if we don’t take all possible effective actions, or we allow
ourselves to be slaughtered, you think that’s just fine, but if we stand
up
in self-defense (a concept that, I guess, seems beyond you) you are
frightened. Decidedly no sale there, Michael, what you are recommending
is
the coward’s way out. Tell me Michael, do you see yourself as capable of
using lethal force in your own defense, under ANY circumstances? Somehow
I
doubt it….

Sorry, Michael, but you haven’t yet dispelled my belief that you are
basing
your views on naive, overly idealistic, (and generally wrong) assumptions.
It’s very clear to me that, to borrow a phrase, “you really don’t get it,
do
you?”

Arlin H. Adams

“I have sworn upon the altar of Almighty God, Eternal enmity toward every
form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Thomas Jefferson

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
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>* * * *
> Dewey was the quintessential pragmatist. It would be quite a stretch
>– although you seem to have no problems with such leaps of logic — to
>say that coincides with being a “proto-fascist.”
> I suspect that you, too, need to re-read Dewey’s writings.

Any time a person espouses a philosophy which disregards individual rights
in the search for ‘pragmatic’ solutions to the problems of industry, they
directly parallel the philosophy of the Itallian fascists during the
1930’s & 40’s…perhaps you’ve read the old saw about how they were going
to “make the trains run on time”…that was one of their primary goals –
the efficiency of industry…at all costs…sorry Jim, but I still think
Dewey was a proto-fascist.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John
Dulaney) writes:

>AHABIZ ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>: In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John
>: Dulaney) writes:
>
>
>: No, John, I speak from personal experience.
>
> And yet I have read “your” text countless times in the various
>educational newsgroups, but they come from union teachers, NEA people.

No John, you have not. you may *think* you have, in that you understand
so very little of what we are discussing that it may in fact all appear to
be the same to you, but you have seen nothing from union hacks like my
critique of goals 2000, or my critiques of OBE which have appeared in this
very newsgroup in the last year.

Look, I realize that you feel threatened by the fact that I directly
contradict your antisemitic propaganda. Of course you *could* simply
admit that you were wrong, that you really don’t know what you’re talking
about, but that solution doesn’t assuage your ego sufficiently. Thus you
try to convince yourself that I am somehow a member of some superduper
conspiracy model, one that, by the way, was stolen directly from the
nazidiots, who in turn, stole it from the antisemitic morons who wrote
‘the protocols of the elders of zion’ who in THIER TURN stole it from
medeaval sources. If you would only study a little history you would see
you’ve fallen for the same propaganda that’s been used for over 700 years,
it was false then, and it’s false now.

You are a ringer, friend.
> A Quiseling.
> A phoney “militia-member” sent here to disarm and disinform the
>public.
> The war you fight is against truth, against life, against freedom
>and our Constitution.
> You are no Libertarian. You are an Extremist-Leftist fraud.

I stand on my record. What I have written is readily available in the
DejaNews index. If you are so confused that, following your reading of my
accumulated postings, you *still* cannot tell what a Libertarian believes,
then I suggest you contact the Libertarian Party for further instruction.
In the meantime, you discredit only yourself by accusing me of things
which are so obviously false that your lies are readily apparent to all.

> And yet…isn’t it odd that you defend the NEA programs which have
>and are destroying our nation.

You haven’t been paying attention again, John. I have been a consistent
critic of the Goals 2000 program since it’s inception. Also, I have on
several occaisions IN THIS VERY NEWSGROUP spoken to the perversion of the
performance based origins of OBE by the leftist leadership of the NEA.
Anyone who has been reading this newsgroup for more than a couple of
months knows this…at least anyone who has been paying
attention…obviously John, YOU are not among that number.

>: I’m also a Libertarian, and a militia member, to claim that I am ‘part
of
>: the system’ is not only absurd, but irrational.
>
> And while you claim the above your words reflect strict Leftist
>agit-prop, disinformation and at the same time you mount it all on the
>usual well-rehearsed phoney moral plane.

John you have yet to do anything other than call me names. Show me one
factual piece of evidence which supports your perverse notion that I am
not a Libertarian…just one John…one little fact…or admit that the
reason you insist on calling me names is because you HAVE no factual
evidence. You have no explanation for the discontinuities, half-truths
and outright lies which your antisemitic propaganda contains and which I
consistently point out in front of the world. You have no explanation for
any of these things other than to call anyone who disagrees with you a
‘leftist’ . Wrong answer John. I have given you facts. I have corrected
your half truths, your lies, your discontinuities…and I will continue to
do so EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU POST THEM IN THIS FORUM.

Face it John, this is not where you belong. You need to be over with your
fellow antisemites in one of the ‘white power’ forums…you know, with all
the other little nazidiots. Antisemitism, and EVERY OTHER FORM OF RACIAL
DISCRIMINATION is in direct opposition to the underlying principles of the
Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. No
exceptions, No excuses. As long as you continue to espouse your
antisemitic nonsense, then you most assuredly cannot claim to be
supporting the ideals of the founding fathers; even to attempt such a
thing marks you as a complete hypocrit.

> If facts fail you, if logic fails you, if the law fails you then
>attack the messenger and beg for sympathy as handicapped.

John I’ve repeatedly pointed out the factual inconsistencies, and logical
fallicies of your arguments. None of my assertions have ever been
contradicted by you – you haven’t even attempted to answer them. All you
do is call me names, and impugn my motives…and you say *I* haven’t stuck
to the facts??? sheesh! IF you had posessed a fact to your name, you
could have at least attempted a rebuttal, but you never have. Why is
that, John? Could it be because you really don’t understand what we’re
attempting to discuss, and thus have to resort to name calling? That
certainly *seems* to be the case.

> I dare say that not only have I been
>: fighting for truth a lot longer than you have,
>
> You dare?
> I’ve fought Communists since 1969 in Italy with my fists and the
>flesh off my skull.

Who won? More to the point, in your world travels, how did you manage to
avoid learning that convincing someone of intelligence requires logical
persuasion, based on factual evidence? Neither of which have been
provided by you.

> There are two things you should NEVER call a
>: libertarian, without hard evidence to support them – Never accuse a
>: libertarian of cheating, and never, ever, accuse a libertarian of
lying.
>
> I accuse you of lying.
> What pomposity!
> ROTFL!
> Are you 12 years old?

No, I am a man of honor, a thing of which you appear to have little
understanding.

>: Because we do not function under ‘implied’ or ‘inherited’ contracts,
>
> We?
> You believe to call yourself a Libertarian means you are enrolled
>in the Justice League of America?

No, that wasn’t the ‘royal we’ John, when I shifted to the plural it was
intended to indicate that I was speaking of libertarians generally – in
other words, providing the libertarian philosophical background neccessary
for you to understand my reactions. Sorry, next time I’ll be more direct.

>: social or otherwise, the only contracts we abide by are those on which
we
>: give our word. Our word is our bond. My word is my bond.
>
> Are you 9 years old?

You really do know nothing of honor, do you?

> You have
>: falsly impugned my word, and in doing so you have falsly impugned my
>: honor. I shall remember that.
>
> Not if you went to public school.
> But if you can try (510) 673-0101

John I have no reason to call your phone number. You seem to mistake
argument with debate. You argue, I debate. I have no wish to argue with
you verbally – I’m doing just fine here. I will simply bide my time,
criticizing your posts, and making sure the world sees them for the
foolishness they truly are. But should you ever require assistance, be
assured that I shall not be there for you, and I shall insure that anyone
who asks me about you knows exactly what sort of person you are.

>: Actually, John, none of the texts I used were from the NEA,
>
> Actually I’ve read it, always paraphrased as ordered, not less
>than 30 times since Jan. ’96.

No John, you didn’t, you simply don’t know enough about the topic to
understand what you read.

>: well, no, I’m not ‘stuck’ as the one thing I wont diverge from is the
>: truth.
>
> The brainwashed believe that lying for the cause of
>Totalitarianism is moral.
> In the cases in which you lie, like Clinton, you actually do
>believe it’s the truth.

John, I’m the one who has consistently shown the factual and logical
inaccuracies in YOUR posts. You have rebutted NONE of my critique, but
have consistently called me names and accused me of lying. That’s ALL
you’ve done. You are the one who has repeatedly demonstrated that you
have no real evidence in support of your beliefs, and yet you still seem
to cling to them…and you call *me* brainwashed?? John that isn’t even
rational.

> Guess my little addendum about lack of parental discipline really
>: struck a nerve, eh?
>
> Is that your debating point? Striking nerves in messengers that
>expose the truth to the world?
> I don’t recall reading that “addendum” anyway.

see I TOLD you that you didn’t understand what you were reading! sheesh!

>
> Funny thing, though, I got several email messages
>: from fellow militia members who had noted the same lack of discipline
and,
>: in fact attributed it to the same source. Funny how that worked out,
>: don’t you think? or do you now believe that your vaunted super-duper
>: conspiracy is playing mind control games on militia members? If that’s
>: the case, then how can you be certain they also aren’t playing mind
>: control games on you?
>
> You have all the evidence that a world-wide conspiracy exists and
>yet you deny it.

John, I’ve consistently shown the gaping, semi-truck sized holes in your
so-called world wide conspiracy, and you haven’t plugged any of those
holes yet. I catagorically state here and now that your antisemitic
broadsides prove nothing other than the bigotry of their author.

> You claim to be a Libertarian and militia member and this type of
>person would never disregard the possibility of a conspiracy and yet you
>do.

I do not disregard possible collusion by various power mongering elements
both within, and outside of, our government. What I do repudiate is your
irrational racist propaganda.

> Not only do you deny it you actively act as an eager agent to
>ridicule such a possibility.

NO, John, I’m just ridiculing the irrational nonsense you’ve been posting.

> Who are you fooling, friend?
> Not me.

LOL! John, I could not possibly make a bigger fool out of you than you’ve
already made of yourself.

Arlin H. Adams
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John
Dulaney) writes:

>: The answer to this question is, of course that there are a number of
>: factors which have effected literacy rates. These include such things
as
>
> The rest unread.
> Thanks for repeating the NEA’s response.
> By your own black lies you defeat yourself.

thanks for admitting you read no one’s posts but your own.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (ronnie smith)
writes:

Uh Ron, little problem here:

Your first premise:

>EVERY free individual has States rights just as if they were a state
>themselves.

directly contradicts your second premise:

>in georgia, blacks have yet to receive States rights see the public
>record of petition for redress of greivances by Gregory Karl Davis
>in the courthouse records

There was the late unpleasantness, you may have heard about? The upshot
of it was that all people born in this country, or naturalized as citizens
are free, regardless of race.

Just thought you’d want to know
Arlin H. Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (ReillyJM)
writes:

>You mean Gingrich is guilty of crimes against the public for trying to
>defund the enforcement of environmental, work place, and food safety
laws?

LOL! J.M. get a grip! just because Newt expects you to act like a grown
up and take responsibility for your own health and well being, doesn’t
mean he’s doing anything wrong…in fact it proves to most of us that he’s
doing something right.

>Thank God Clinton was there to stop those House Republicans who are in
the
>pockets of polluters and international money. Gingrich is guilty as sin!

keep moaning, Clinton’s going to jail, and not just for land swindling and
embezzlement, either…I can hardly wait to see the spin they try to pull
of to keep the Mina drug deals covered up now….

Arlin H. Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>No, clearly it is you who missed the point. I never said that there were
no
>military weapons available for private ownership. I said that they were
in
>very short supply.
>
>

actually mark, what you said was that *firearms* were in short supply. It
was I who pointed out that while this was true for military weapons, due
to production limitations in the interior of the country, personal
firearms were quite common. I also pointed out that personal firearms,
while used by militia units in the early part of the Revolutionary War,
were phased out after the French began actively supplying military
muskets.

In point of fact, the military muskets used by both sides in the
Revolution were smoothbores – their effective *accurate* range against a
man sized target was only about 75 yards. While this was this was
certainly comparable to the smoothbores carried by some of the poorer
militia members, the rifles carried by others far out classed them. In
point of fact up until just before the Civil War, civilian firearms
available to anyone generally outclassed their military counterparts.
Even in the post-war years, with the expansion into the west, the military
was still issuing muzzle loaders, and then single shot Springfields, while
the civilians often carried Winchesters, Remingtons, and Henrys, some of
which were capable of sustained fire at three to five times the rate of
their military cousins.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>Clinton’s testimony was highly
>credible; they just didn’t feel it was relevant

hmm, just like everything else billy jeff says…sounds real good until
you actually stop and think about it…

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Hi Mike,

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Michael
Hollomon, Jr.) writes:
> I have
>become convinced that equality for all Americans, regardless of race
>or sex, is among the agendas of many of those within the patriot
>movement.

Well obviously nobody can speak for the whole movement, but as for my
associates and myself, your gracious apology is graciously accepted.

> There are views expressed by those within the patriot
>movement which I vigorously and vociferously oppose,

yeah, I think we’re pretty clear on that too, trust me! 🙂
More seriously, though, one of the many reasons this newsgroup is so
valuable, is that it allows us to state, and debate, our beliefs before
the world. I know that’s not always easy to see (our signal to noise
ratio can vary tremendously) but blocked as we are from the mainstream
media, this little newsgroup still gives us some chance to make our voices
to be heard.

I don’t think we expect the entire world to suddenly agree with us, heck
we don’t always agree with each other. You are certainly welcome to
express your considered opinions, and debate ours with us (even as we will
debate yours with you). Perhaps we will convince you, perhaps not, but if
we didn’t at least allow this opportunity to exist, we’d never even have
the chance to try!

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mo10Cav) writes:

>Do that one more time and
>we’re gonna ground you on Pitcavage’s Web Page, mister.

Ack! wait a minute! doesn’t that qualify as cruel and unusual??
hey…now are we talking *before* or *after* the proposed artillery fire
mission?????

Arlin
[who is thinking maybe he shouldn’t have asked…]

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (ronnie smith)
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>
>All the courtrooms in America are flying ILLEGAL flags
>title 36 USC
>distinctly says that you cannot decorate the American flag
>so the GOLD FRINGE is Illegal
>and therefore every Judge in America is a Traitor

Hi again Ronnie,

Couple of points here:

1. Treason is defined by the Constitution as either taking up arms
against the United States, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Those
are the ONLY two things which constitute treason in this country.
Redecorating the national flag is illegal, but treason it ain’t.

2. In point of fact, I believe if you check thoroughly that, while
national flags are not supposed to have fringe, there are historical
examples of exceptions to this in the case of the military, going back at
least as far as the Civil War. Since almost no one (including judges)
knows all of the laws concerning display of flags, banners, and ensigns
I’d imagine most folks just think it’s ‘pretty’.

All that being said, I believe that the gold fringe *does* make it a
military banner, which of course raises the question as to why one might
find it in a civilian courtroom…the federal court system is buying Army
surplus now?? I dunno…

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes:

> Sorry Jim, but we are the only gods there are. Humans have the only
wisdom
>extant.

now THERE is a statement of blind faith, if ever I heard one…personally
I don’t agree with it, but to hold the fact that we are the only and
greatest of all thinking beings in the universe takes an absolutely
breath-taking leap beyond logic. how interesting it should come from an
athiest….

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John
Dulaney) writes:

>
>1) Are you so confused you haven’t got a clue as to who the real enemy
is?

nope, same enemies that freedom has always had – statists and racists.

>2) Did you know high level Russians have long ago admitted that without
> decades of continuous U.S. financial aid the Soviet Union would have
> collapsed in 18 months?

ayep, it’s called “Feeding the Hungry”, John; and the Guy who told us to
do that, wasn’t real concerned about where those hungry folks might be
living.

>3) Have you ever wondered why the U.S.A. has always favored and financed
> the harshest Communist countries (such as China) and turned it’s back
> on Democracies and free nations (such as Taiwan).

Hmm, well, I’ve always considered Britain and France a bit on the
socialist side, but I wouldn’t actually have called either of them ‘harsh’
until this last British anti-terrorism law went through. Germany, nope,
might be a whole bunch of other things, but I’m pretty sure ‘communist’
isn’t among them. Australia, heh, I’d love to see what happens the next
time you call an Aussie a communist, really I would! Could it be that, in
the case of the PRC, the state department weenies are just a might afraid
of a country with over a *billion* people in it? Could it also be that
Taiwan, up until it started to realize that we just might NOT step in and
save their bacon, was about as democratic as Japan, which is to say,
hardly at all? Oh and hey! how about those Japanese communists! Man,
they’re something else, aren’t they?

>4) Has it occurred to you that as soon as any “conservative” politician
> reaches Washington D.C. they suddenly forget their own beliefs and
> begin to rob us of our freedom and money just as fast as, or faster
> than, the Liberals?

It’s the water…er…no…it’s…the air…er…no..I forget…:-)

>5) Have you ever added up the enormous number of factors in life today
> that do not make sense? Have you ever sat down and tried to make a
list
> of those areas that DO make common sense?

hmm, well let’s see, there’s the light in the refrigerator…always
wondered if it was on when the door was closed…then there’s my thermos –
it keeps cold things cold, and hot things hot, but how does it know when
to do which??? And speaking of hot and cold, if my room airconditioner
blows cold air, which it does, why is the back side of it hot all the
time???? y’know, some of this stuff really doesn’t add up.

>6) Short of violence what is the best way to change the direction of the
> world today?

well, the ’94 election was a good start…all that danged grassroots
activism started to pay off. Given the time, and the fact that we’re
still armed, we’ll pull this thing off yet, one way or the other…

>7) Today, thanks to talk-radio and the Internet, you might guess what
> single organization is most feared by the media, the Democrats, the
> Liberals, the Communists, the Totalitarians and even the Republicans?

I’d have to say either the Libertarian Party [we’re the fastest growing
minority party in the US!], or COYOTE -the hookers union [but that’s only
>from what I’ve noticed driving through downtown DC after dark.

>8) Why have the Greens, Save-the-Earthers and other ecology-minded
> organizations recently turned against the One World Government
> Totalitarians and begun to embrace Pat Buchanan?

look man, all those years of doing illegal drugs *had* to take a toll
eventually…

>9) Are you aware that there is a single (not religious or political)
> informational organization that has long ago been exposing the truth
> as best it can but has been the target of the most intensive smear
> campaign ever mounted by the controlled media and politicians?

oh, you must mean US – the militias! of course!

>10) Did you know that you can end your confusion by reading history right
> here in the Internet, for free? All facts are 100% verifiable.

yep all three of them.

> The conclusion is inevitable.

I recommend keeping a paper bag handy for the equally inevitable nausea
and disgust, when you discover the depth of the racism and the incoherence
of the material presented there…oh well, I guess even Norm Olson has to
have *somebody* he can call weird…

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>Don’t hold your breath.

oh, we aren’t, mark, generally we don’t have time…
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