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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>No, Arlin, the REAL truth is that ALL groups in society have to suffer
the
>slings and arrows of their bad apples — be that group teenagers, the
>government, or the militias.
certainly any group may have ‘bad apples’, what is uncalled for is when a
small number of bad apples are mischaracterized as representing the entire
group. That’s been my point, all along.
>
>You militiaboy prima donna’s are, and will be, no different — and to
the
>extent that you refuse to acknowledge that, it is YOU, not the rest of
the
>world, that is out of touch with reality.
we don’t refuse to acknowledge the existance of this sort of bias – heck
most of us deal with it every day. Our reality is very much intact.
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>
>You can say THAT again! Why, read the string about the genital exam of
59
>12-year old girls!
>
>
two questions les:
1. just how long did *YOU* spend in the military?
2. other than the fact that it threatens your supremacist views
concerning sex roles, what’s your problem?
Arlin Adams
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> That is well established..The burden of proof is upon those who claim
>the neo-militia movement is *not* the armed wing of the
>Christian Patriot movement.
sorry frankie, no sale. Remember that militias are all local
organizations? each one is a part of the community in which it lives. to
claim that they are all the ‘armed wing’ of anything sounds a lot like a
conspiracy theory to me.
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>
> Is there a Real International Jewish Plot to Rule the World?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I found the (part 1 of 3 parts) article below in my mail box last
> week.
Hi John,
This is what passes for propaganda in the minds (I use the term loosly) of
the nazidiots. Have you considered flaming the sender? That may be the
only sure way to end this nonsense.
Arlin
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Hi Ron,
>Once one side or the other realizes it is losing, they will do anything
>to win. Take a look at the recent atrocities in Bosnia for an example,
>if you don’t agree.
It might be more accurate to say that some people on either side will be
tempted to to anything to win…which is why maintaining discipline in
defensive situations is so critical. The serbs did not do so, and we see
the results. This doesn’t justify what they did, and it does make their
commanders culpable for the crimes of their subordinates.
>Rules of engagement, gentlemen’s agreements, Geneva Conventions,
>they’re nice to hear and pretty to read-but when the talk stops and the
>fighting begins, humans are capable of anything and everything.
*Some* humans are, most aren’t. Studies from WWII show that in large
scale engagements, even in experienced units, only about half of the
troops even fire their rifles (for the Marines it’s about 2/3). Many
Americans have real problems with taking the life of another human being,
even in a combat environment. Expecting most people to engage in
unethical conduct, except under the most extreme survival situations, is
probably a bad bet. More to the point, one of the primary differences
between good guys and bad guys is that the good guys realize the truth of
the old adage “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”.
>Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that should a revolution occur,
>the fighting will break promptly at 10a.m. for tea every morning.
No, and that’s not the point of having rules of engagement. Even setting
aside the moral and ethical imperatives behind them, there are some very
practical advantages to such rules. The first, and most important is that
we can’t win without the support of the general population. Support we
will not have, if we develop a reputation for random violence against
noncombatants.
Additionally, the enemy will seek to build a perception that we are
violent immoral animals – that’s a standard propaganda tactic. To ignore
it, or pretend it has no affect, is to aid the enemy in their task.
Rather, we must clearly communicate through our actions that we are above
such things AT ALL TIMES. That is the only effective countermeasure to
this sort of propaganda.
Without rules of engagement we will at best loose, and at worst become the
same as those whom we fight. I don’t find either choice acceptable, do
you?
Arlin
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>J> There is little reason why anyone should have heard of CI
>J> before the mid-/late- 1980 unless they were members of the
>J> radical right or studied the radical right.
>
> The media has an agenda to keep this stuff ‘under the rug’.
>Notice how it wasn’t until the OKC bombing that the media
>started paying attention to militias?
okay, this has me intrigued – why would the media seek to suppress
information concerning a group as bizzare as the ci types?
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>
>I believe the word we are searching for is ‘RESISTANCE’, by peaceful
means
>first, but if it becomes necessary due to an over-stepping, belligerent
>Federal government, THEN we will have both the MEANS as well as the moral
>authority to defend ourselves from its tyranny.
Steve, I do believe you’ve captured the essence of the movement right
there! Well said!
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>> 1. just how long did *YOU* spend in the military?
>
>Two years. Not that it’s particularly relevant. I don’t want a
>representative cross-section of the population under arms if we get
>invaded; I want the BEST POSSIBLE PEOPLE to be defending me (that I
>consider myself best able to defend myself is axiomatic).
Hmm, in part that would seem to reflect the differences in traditions
between British Commonwealth Culture (I realize you’re in Canada, but I’m
generalizing here) where there was an emphasis on a more professional army
and American culture, which (up until recently) went out of it’s way to
promote an army which contained a majority of citizen-soldiers.
Experience shows that, in a capitalist society such as our own, the
military gets the BEST AVAILABLE PEOPLE. Having served in a number of
units which were 50% female, I can state from experience that integrating
women into the military simply increased the likelihood that the best
available people would in fact be there. I can also state from experience
that after a week or so in the field, the *last* thing anybody is
concerned about is sex…sleep, yes, food, certainly, shelter, yep, that
too, but much of anything else was just not relevant to the situation.
>
>> 2. other than the fact that it threatens your supremacist views
>> concerning sex roles, what’s your problem?
>
>What do my, or any other, supremacist views have to do with the facts of
>biology, except that they largely agree with observation? I think you’re
>champing at the bit to go on a “Natsee-bash”. Perhaps to prove yet again
>that you militia wannabes AREN’T “Natsees”?
actually, the term I usually use for you guys is ‘nazidiots’ but I was
trying to be polite. Your views on biology are as warped as everything
else in your philosophy. Now don’t get me wrong, I understand that your
primary concern is avoiding genetic crossbreeding, so you are forced to
produce large families, thus condemning any women who buy into your
spending a good percentage of their time pregnant. However, attempting to
justify that in biological terms is at best nonsensical. You’re trying to
out produce all of the rest of us, Les, and *that* is a simple numerical
impossiblity. In the meanwhile, however, you are forced to maintain rigid
gender roles within your own groups, in order to try to maintain group
stability.
Hmm, thinking about it that way, it’s no wonder you supremacist types are
so terrified by the Constitutional Militias – we don’t discriminate by
gender, which means we will ALWAYS be able to field more armed combatants
than you will, and we will ALWAYS have the best available people doing the
job, regardless of the sexuality…something you will never be able to
say.
ah well, gotta go, I’m helping teach the range session of a personal
protection course this afternoon. Not to worry, half the class is female,
and at least 1/3 of the class is always made up of ethnic minorities…and
of course you know what I teach them about folks like you. :->
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> Citzens arrests are
>usually restricted to crimes committed in their presence or in similary
>narrow circumstances. Certainly no magistrate I’ve ever heard of has
given
>an arrest warrant to a civilian so he can arrest the accuesed in his
home.
Guys, I know next to nothing about this topic, but how are folks like
bounty hunters and such covered? Or if they’re serving a warrant, are
they considered officers of the court?
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Hi again Ron,
> But what do your
>think the patriots are going to do once the desperate fanantics in
>Washington drop Fuel-Air weapons or BLU-82’s on them. And that’s the
>short list.
Actually if somebody dumps an FAE on them, they’re gonna die, but we’ll
get back to that in a minute. Ron, they’re going to react the way people
have been reacting ever since there was indirect fire artillery and people
could shell each other from miles away. Some of them are going to freak,
some of them are going to go catatonic, and the majority of them are just
going to live through it and keep going. HOWEVER this is one of those
times where unit morale and unit discipline are absolutely critical…and
MUST be enforced. The issue will be whether the leaders have been and are
capable of continuing doing so.
>Fuel-Air weapons, for those who don’t know, are like Napalm bombs that
>can cover LARGE areas.
Technically, it ain’t a flame weapon (although it will do a fairly good
job of scorching everything in it). FAE are basically similar in effect
to dumping a leaky LP gas canister onto something, waiting a minute or
two, and then throwing in a match. The flame is really secondary, what
kills is the massive overpressure caused by the explosion. That
overpressure crushes stuff on the ground, as well as any place the
pressure can get into…bunkers, tunnels, and such as well as unsealed
armored vehicles…the thing about using FAE is that the effect is
measured in cubic acres…and anybody who has seen the effects of one will
recognize it instantly. Using that against an ‘insurrection’ will be as
good as admitting to the world that they’ve lost control of the
situation…which will be exactly the LAST message they would want to get
out. Probability of use, except in very remote areas is extremely
low…and if anybody *does* get hit with one, THEY wont be around to get
pissed off.
>BLU-82’s were used in Viet Nam to clear landing zones out of the
>jungle. They were also dropped in the Persian Gulf War to demoralize
>the enemy. These suckers weigh 15,000 pounds and are commonly dropped
>by C-130 because they won’t fit in/under a B-52.
ayep, and the last thing I’m gonna do if I see C-130’s starting to come in
low and slow is stand underneath their flight path, you know?
Both of your points DO illustrate one critical fact – because the weapons
systems you’ve mentioned require advanced planning and targetting (one
doesn’t just load up a bunch of cargo planes with BLU’s and have them fly
around randomly 🙂 ) It is absolutely critical to remember that a
resistance force must *never* try to hold on to a specific piece of
terrain…safety is in avoiding detection, continuous movement, and
engaging in combat only when it is to your advantage to do so. Another
point here is that neither of these weapons systems, nor any other area
weapon can be used in close proximity to forces from the same side. The
NVA had a saying that went “The only way to defeat an American is to grab
him by his belt”. What that meant was that only in close combat were they
fighting on nearly equal terms – when the US military couldn’t bring their
superior weapons technology into play for fear of hitting their own
troops. This example bears remembering.
>I know how guys are. Once word gets out that the Federal thugs have
>committed any atrocity, people are going to want PAYBACK. It’s only
>human nature. You may be thinking that good militia commanders won’t
>let their troops do that. Maybe so, but there are and will be plenty
>more cells of patriots trusting noone and doing what feels right to
>them. I believe the phrase “fog of war” applies here.
We may well have to arrest and try people on our own side, I don’t think
there’s any question about it. None the less, the only way to
minimize/prevent abuses is to establish and enforce a policy of ZERO
tolerance…there are no alternatives.
>I really pray that our capital full of socialistic fools stops and
>realizes what it has been doing to our country before it is too late.
>But our country has turned its collective back on God, and it’s
>beginning to look like we’re on the downside of rise and fall.
Amen to that, my friend, amen to that.
Arlin
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>You ever get the feeling this guy’s trying to sell refrigerators in
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>
>What a dumb nut!
ice cubes to eskimoes, sand to Hawaiians, yep, that’s about it.
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>Sorry, Arlin, no sale. Samuel Sherwood’s United States Militia
>Association does purport to be a “national militia” and does, in fact,
>count several of your so-called “local” militias under its national
>penumbra.
>
>Since you’re big into claiming maturity to admit errors, please do so.
Jim, even the fbi admits there are over 900 seperate militia units,
whatever Sam Sherwoods folks may claim, they represent no more than a tiny
fraction of that number. In any case they are still local units, and are
still under local control. Again, you need to start seeing individual
cases Jim, until you do, you’re going to keep trying to paint an extremely
complex picture as one geometric form, and it just don’t work that way.
The only error here is your continued attempt at gross overgeneralization.
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>
>Why are the militia newsgroups so popular with white supremacists and
>neo-nazis?
I guess because they’re too stupid to realize we’re their enemies.
>And, why do Canadians think they really have anything meaningful to say
>about America’s domestic problems — after all, they haven’t exactly done
>real well solving their own.
I have no idea.
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>A while back, some amongst your militiaboy brethren sought to have me
>expelled from this newsgroup for my anti-militia statements, even though
I
>was (and still am) speaking directly to the issue of the hypocrisy of
>ethics amongst the militiaboys.
actually, you’re speaking to your own inability (or unwillingness) to
understand what we’re about…that does get old…but you also make a good
foil, so I certainly wouldn’t vote to expell you.
>Not long thereafter, some little militiaboy twit from Texas came on and
>said that he could come over here and “take care of my ass.”
>
>NOT one of you great patriots moved for HIS expulsion.
you’re right – we flamed him, and made it clear that was unacceptable.
In other words we corrected the problem. We’ve been correcting you for
quite a while now…someday you may prove as responsive as he was.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
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>Get real, Arlin. There will never be any attempt at a confiscation of
>firearms, nor anything even remotely near. Banning 20 or so types of
>firearms does not even begin to approach a “confiscation.”
Careful Jim, you may be counting your chickens before they’re hatched, if
you think that’s all the farther the bad guys want to go.
>
>>>Again, your rhetorical slavering blinds you to certain very real
>>>facts to the contrary.
>>>
>>hmm, care to cite a couple?
>>
>Yes — 1) the security system and armed guard that are a part of the
>security features of the condo where I live; and, if the first should not
>prove sufficient, 2) one of Mr. Colt’s inventions.
Indeed, however it was not my rhetoric that blinded me, but the fact that
I live about a thousand miles a way from you and have no idea where your
condo is located…nice cheap shot Jim.
>But neither do they consider it operable, with 1/3 of the unit in
>resistance.
uh, no, *we’re* the resistance, I think you mean ‘in the defense’. That’s
fine, since we ain’t gonna be attacking them in any case.
>Truth of the matter is that, if you’re counting on the military to rally
>to the militiaboy cause, history demonstrates that you’re already in deep
>shit.
rally en mass? doubtful unless someone is stupid enough to call for UN
peacekeepers, and we certainly can’t bet on that. Nonetheless, the term
‘going south’ derives from what a majority of (among others) the Marines
did at the beginning of the Civil War.
>Oh, of course not, Arlin That is only the overwhelming
>”message” being spewed out by you and your brethren.
>
>Of course, you always preface it with something like “if we’re attacked”
>or “if our rights are further diminished,” but you never manage to draw
>the line as to specifcally what those are.
That would be tactically unwise, and would in any case depend on the
circumstances of the moment…we’re very democratic Jim, and agreement
takes time…nonetheless, as Mike V. pointed out last week, we will insure
that we are fired upon *twice* in front of video cameras, before we return
the favor…never fear, you will have plenty of documentary evidence.
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writes:
>The Brady Bill did only good, it prevented
>60,000 criminal offenders and crazies from having weapons which very
>likely would have been used in criminal activity. This for some of us
>happens to be good news.
actually that’s not true. of the 60,000 initial denials, something like
93% were eventually approved on appeal, as they had been erronious to
begin with. Of course hci and company never were interested in reporting
the facts, so they use the 60K number anyway….
>
>Gun restrictions are geared only toward keeping weapons of mass
>distruction out of the hands of criminal offenders and crazies, the most
>dangerous in our society.
uh, you’re going to have to back that up with examples…also, militarily,
and in international law, the term ‘weapon of mass destruction’ refers to
something like poison gas or a nuclear bomb…I don’t think either one of
those has yet been touched on by gun control laws.
>I don’t feel theatened for my right to bear arms, however I certainly
>feel theatened by those of you who want to put weapons of mass
>distruction into the hands of dangerous lunatics.
hey, I’d be just as happy if *nobody* had nukes, okay? no problem with
getting rid of them…
Arlin Adams
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Date: Sun, 19 May 96 6:33:53 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les
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>> actually, the term I usually use for you guys is ‘nazidiots’ but I was
>> trying to be polite. Your views on biology are as warped as everything
>> else in your philosophy. Now don’t get me wrong, I understand that
your
>> primary concern is avoiding genetic crossbreeding, so you are forced to
>> produce large families, thus condemning any women who buy into your
>> spending a good percentage of their time pregnant. However, attempting
to
>> justify that in biological terms is at best nonsensical. You’re trying
to
>> out produce all of the rest of us, Les, and *that* is a simple
numerical
>> impossiblity. In the meanwhile, however, you are forced to maintain
rigid
>> gender roles within your own groups, in order to try to maintain group
>> stability.
>
>Funny, that: you have no trouble stereotyping us, yet you sorts ALWAYS
>whine about what a mortal sin stereotyping is.
Why Les, you’ve been reading my posts. That’s okay, I’ve been reading
yours, and the others too. I’ve also waded through a bunch of national
socialist nonsense, even got through mein kampf…. Make no mistake white
supremacy in *all* it’s variations is antithetical to the moral and
ethical basis on which this country was founded. Your beliefs are
antithetical to democracy generally, and the Constitution, specifically.
Most importantly, to me, the entire supremacy movement is the spiritual
antithesis of Judeo-Christian thought. That *is* why some of your folks
have been fooling around with the old religions, you know. In doing so
they sow their own destruction, which is their choice, but please don’t
expect anyone here to respect it – least of all me. Stereotyping?
Prejudice? oh Heavens no, it’s much more than that – you are the enemy,
you simply are a much less effective one than the runaway federal
bureaucracy. It would probably be good for you not to try not to forget
that. I never do, nor do I intend to let anyone else forget it either.
>We aren’t “terrified” of you; you need to get a grip on your ego. We DO
>tend to look at all of our enemies, current and future, real and
>potential, with considerably more balance than you guys do.
hmm, we outnumber you a thousandfold, since many of us are caucasian you
can’t really ever be sure you haven’t been infiltrated by us, and you know
that we will be far less tollerant of you than the current regime, and you
*aren’t* terrified? more fools you.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
writes:
>* certainly any group may have ‘bad apples’, what is uncalled
>*for is when a small number of bad apples are mischaracterized
>* as representing the entire group. That’s been my point, all along.
>
>That “point” of yours doesn’t seem to stop you from mischaracterizing the
>entirety of the federal government because of the actions of its few “bad
>apples.”
As far as I have been able to determine, the entire fe(de)ral bureaucracy
is unresponsive at best. That point aside, we have stated from the
beginning that our concerns deal with those specific groups, such as the
atf and the irs, which operate in direct contravention to the original
intent of the Constitution. Only mikey and psycho dave have ever tried to
blame the whole government equally for the terrorist acts of a few small
portions thereof.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
writes:
>> Harry Bibee didn’t threaten mark.
>
> To quote yourself: It’s the old ‘walks like a duck/talks like a
>duck’ routine …..
>
> I gather that if several Guido types walked into your business and
>told you about how dangerous it was to be in business and not have
>insurance, you’d think, “Gee, what nice men.”
That was most certainly neither the stated message nor the intent of the
Declaration…although that makes *two* people (you and mark) out of all
those I’ve run into so far, including the liberals that I showed it to,
who mistook it for a threat, after being given more than 30 seconds to
consider it. The Declaration was specifically phrased to connote that the
militias would act *if* there was an unconstitutional use of force against
another civilian target a la the Waco Massacre. I’ll ask you the same
question that mark ducked when I asked him: when, in your mind, does a
promise become a threat? If the Declaration appeared threatening to you,
you must be terrified by criminal law….
> That being established, one wonders why y’all have so much problem
>with someone saying things about you and y’all seem to have no problem
>with applying labels, ad homimen, etc. tactly the point that I have been
>making all along hereon — the ONLY value to militiaboy ethics is gross
>hypocrisy.
Jim, the problem seems to be that you attempt to see others as cliche’s.
The discomfort you feel in dealing with us is the cognitive dissonance
caused by the fact that no one here except mikey *fits* your cliche’s. If
there is any hypocrisy here, it is in your inability to respond to my
points concerning mark with other than personal attacks.
> Well, let me answer by feeding you the same gruel that you try to
>feed to everyone else: “Anti-militia world” is made up of many disparate
>groups, over which I — nor any single other person — have control.
indeed that is so, yet you seem to see the members of the militia movement
as falling within a single stereotype of your own making. Should we then
treat you differently? If so, why? I’m just using your own arguments
against you – have you no effective defense?
>Yes, of course. Keep saying it long enough and you’ll cnvince
>yourself. You do not convince me, however, that you have the integrity
to
>reply to the allegations with anything other than falling back and
relying
>upon the same, tired, worn-out parrot squawking.
No Jim, I did reply, and used logical arguments…your own prejudice
simply keeps you from looking at those arguments rationally.
>>uh, would you say Billy Jeff, Aunt Janet, and Uncle Louie (Freeh) are on
>>your side?
>
> Of course not. That you ASSUME that I do is simply yet one more
bit
>of prejudice from the jaundiced militaboy eye.
no I didn’t assume, that’s why I asked if you would say they were on your
side…you have to read what I actually write, Jim; not just what you wish
was written there.
>>Do you have the personal integrity to admit one is a political
>>hack and the other two have strong neofascist tendencies?
>
> ALL politicians are political hacks, by definition.
ah, so we agree on this point.
> Is there some reason that you think it necessary to constantly
>restate the obvious?
they’re the same obvious answers to your same obvious questions, that’s
all.
> Who’s ignoring them? Over FOUR years ago I told you militiaboy
>nitwits that their shenanigans would only result in even more draconian
>legislation, not less. Y’all stupidly rattled your sabres and — voila!
>– it came to pass.
You are ignoring them…unless you’re doing something to reverse the
current situation. If you choose to cower before the federal government,
well and good, but don’t expect us to, because we do not now, nor will we
in the future. If this is your real issue here Jim, then you’re arguing
with the wrong group of people – many of our folks have already made
significant sacrifices – jobs, marriages, and the like, and many more will
in the future…people who are prepared to make such sacrifices will not
ever deal in your terms of ‘go along and get along’…it don’t work that
way.
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Hi Janet,
Thanks! I’ll respond in detail in email.
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>
> You presume everyone and everything to be a threat until proven
>otherwise?
no, that’s not what I said. I said that I presume anyone who has stated
and demonstrated hostile intent is actually a threat until proven
otherwise…I realize you have a hard time seeing people as individuals,
rather than cliche’s but you could at least do me the courtesy of quoting
my post in context.
> By that criteria, I’d say that militiaboys have, in fact,
>demonstrated themselves to be a threat — as Pitcavage and myself have
>been pubicly and repeatedly threatened (right here in fact). Want me to
>repost the messages from the little twit who styled himself a member of
>the Texas “militia,” so as to jog your memory?
If someone threatened you and you did nothing about it, then that was
foolish indeed.
> However, it is noted that in the process of peforming your
attempted
>segue, you still have not answered the question — which, to tell you the
>truth, I do.
yes, I did. I demonstrated hostile intent to this movement and it’s
members on the part of pitcavage…any person *demonstrating* such must be
considered hostile until proven otherwise. Ya gotta stop thinking in
cliche’s Jim, and start paying attention to specifics…
BTW, the mistake in question was when you confused mikey’s threat with
mark’s reference to the Declaration…
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>Do you perchance mean Les Griswold ? He joined
>misc.survivalism once, and damn near ruined the best thread on composting
>that we ever had, until we got rid of him.
hmm, let’s see, nazis…compost…nazis…compost…did you make him wear
a red hat so you could tell him from the compost?
>Oh well, compost happens.
yeah, unless it gets too hot 🙂
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Arlin
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Griswold) writes:
>Well, THAT’s an interesting proposition! I’ve yet to hear my first
denial
>by a white-supremacist group that their members have ideas similar to
>those of many militias,
Only two possible reasons for this:
1. You’re lying. As your compatriot hub*r has readily admitted, you
folks have no problem with lying to achieve your goals.
or
2. You’re ignorant. If you’ve read nothing of the underlying beliefs and
motivations – reinstitution of individual liberty for ALL Americans (that
includes those who aren’t white males) and reinstatement of the
Constitution *without* all of the nonrepresentative bureaucratic overlays,
then you really shouldn’t be trying to discuss these matters with us.
I’d say it’s probably a combination of the two.
>Please note that my use of the term “militialoons” is by no means meant
to
>refer to all, or even many, militia types, just the ones who think that
>they should be dabbling in politics.
ah, now HERE we have an illustration of the profound depth of your
ignorance. You are Canadian, but even north of the border, you can still
access the basic documents on which our cause is based – our Declaration
of Independence, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights. The entire
basis of the militia movement is POLITICAL. The entire membership of the
movement is drawn from the politically disaffected. We are not ‘dabbling’
in politics, we are inherently an integral part of American politics.
That you do not comprehend this, shows that you are either incapable of
understanding, or too lazy to bother trying…either way you are less, not
more, because of it.
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> Tweren’t a cheap shot. It is rather clear, I think, that you and
>your milita brethren develop cognates in terms of ideological tenets only
certainly there is a strong ideological element within the movement.
>– according to you, one who thinks the milita movement is illegitimate
>must therefore also be a (1) raging statist, (2) in the employ of the
>federal government in some form or fashion, and (3) an advocate of a
total
>ban on firearms.
>
> I am none of the three.
GOOD FOR YOU! You’re in a category by yourself, Jim!
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>
> Please point out where the article is unfactual.
Hi John,
NONE of the economic analysis is factual.
NONE of the educational analysis is factual.
I will leave it to someone with more political and historical background
than myself to tear apart the other fallicies.
Interestingly, this piece of trash is actually a parody of itself, in at
least one place – notice how the author condemns all movies and all
television at the beginning of the article, and then further down directly
references a made for television movie and a major Hollywood production as
*factually supporting* his arguments…sheesh…the author has the
consistency of vapor…I won’t say what kind….
Also, of interest, various parts of this (infiltration of the government,
infiltration of banks) have been used with almost the same wording since
the 16th century…these nazidiots aren’t even original…. I suggest you
pick up a couple of good books on the development and use of propaganda,
read them, and then go back over this piece. That’s probably the best way
for you to see just how fictional it really is.
Arlin
Oh, and you can keep the hundred bucks, as long as you promise not to give
it to the morons who sent you this to begin with.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
writes:
>As far as I have been able to determine, the entire fe(de)ral bureaucracy
>is unresponsive at best.
>———-
> I’d do some work on ability to determine, were I you — the FAA
>moved within the hour, in the recent ValueJet crash; the court inssued an
>injunction against the enforcement of the so-called Cyberspace law,
within
>72 hours. Need more examples?
neither of those instances were responses to the needs of the people,
rather they were politically expedient reactions – in the case of the FAA
they must be careful to prove that the fact that the aircraft in question
had not fallen out of the sky due to carelessness on their part, in the
case of the CDA, the clintonistas had to prove that even though billy jeff
signed it into law, he didn’t really mean it. You need to work on
differentiating between political expediency and governmental
responsiveness.
>Only mikey and psycho dave have ever tried to blame the whole government
>equally for the terrorist acts of a few small portions thereof.
>———-
>That is not at all the truth, Arlin. You obviously do not bother to read
>this newsgroup.
now *there* I would like to see some examples.
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>you really enjoy this, don’t you?
Betchyurass, les.
This is probably the most
>attention that’s ever been paid to you, isn’t it?
No, I’m doing it because you folks rarely hang around long enough to be
confronted…
> Why am I getting the
>impression that you’re tolerated but not really taken seriously, here on
>misc.activism.militia?
Because you don’t understand what’s going on here.
> Regardless, I won’t waste any more bandwidth with
>you;
*sigh* happens every time someone shines a light on you….
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Hi David,
Very well written post…it never ceases to amaze me that grownups still
fall for that nazidiot propaganda, but I guess some still do…naive
folks, I imagine, but it’s good to see factual rebuttal of their nonsense.
Best
Arlin
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Subject: Re: Jewish Conspiracy Proof? –>>
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John
Dulaney) writes:
>: In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John
>: Dulaney) writes:
>
>: >
>: > Please point out where the article is unfactual.
>
>: Hi John,
>: NONE of the economic analysis is factual.
>: NONE of the educational analysis is factual.
>
> Oh.
> Well.
> I see.
> That is More than sufficient proof for me.
>
>
Okay, I tried to be nice. Let’s take the educational analysis, since I
just happen to have a M. Ed. I can do this relatively quickly. To be
specific: Phonics is indeed taught in a majority of US classrooms, both
public and private. There are two major approaches, one uses textbooks
and the other (Whole Language) uses ‘word sounds’ while reading real
books. Both are phonics. Both are currently in use. Look-Say pedagogy
was an experimental system which was tried for a while in the ’60’s and
’70’s. It is NOT currently in use anywhere. It never WAS used in more
than about 1/3 of the public schools, because from the very start there
were problems – it works very well with about 50% of the kids, but doesn’t
work at all with the other half. Despite a LOT of research into the
problem, there was never a firm enough result to allow teachers to
determine *which* students would learn from the system, so it was dropped.
The statement that ‘schools are more interested in handing out condoms
than studying mathematics’ made by the author of that racist tract you
posted, has no basis in fact, and as you’ll notice he doesn’t even attempt
to support it.
Now let’s talk about one of the real problems with education today –
parents. (hmm, bet that got some folk’s attention). In recent years
discipline in schools has deteriorated radically, due in large part to the
total lack of support (indeed often open hostility) of parents, as well as
a total lack of discipline at home. I am aware of entire classrooms of
kids whose ONLY experience with ANY form of discipline comes
*while*they*are*in*school*. What this means, in real terms, is that most
public school teachers must spend at least 50 percent (and sometimes as
high as 90 percent) of their classroom time in disciplinary
actions…guess how much time that leaves for teaching? One school here
in the metro area issued FOUR THOUSAND suspensions last year, all for
violent or illegal activity. How much learning do you think was
accomplished by the rest of the kids, in that kind of environment? You’re
right – not much!
Unless and until parents once again consistently accept their
responsiblities for disciplining their children *all*of*the*time, this
will not change…
Now, do you really want me to go on to the other issues?
Arlin H. Adams
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In article <[email protected]>, Robert Ireland
writes:
>I will even go so far as to reassess my judgement when I hear a majority
of
>the
>government calling for that proscecution.
Hi Robert,
Uh, the thing about it, Robert, is that the entire governmental
bureaucracy is structured so as to make it nearly impossible for any one
part of it (say, oh Dept of the Interior) to even be aware of what another
part (like Treasury, which is responsible for ATF) is doing, much less
have any influence over it. 99.9% of the bureaucrats outside the
immediate agency involved probably wouldn’t even know what to do if they
saw someone from another agency committing a blatantly criminal act. Nor
would they have any real influence if they did attempt to do something.
The whole system is structured to prevent it.
Don’t get me wrong, we need to hold the entire chain of command
responsible for the actions of folks like SA Horuchi, but much beyond that
and we will find ourselves casting blame on people who are as powerless as
anyone else *outside* the immediate agency involved.
Best
Arlin
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (frankenchrist)
writes:
>Actually it’s been proven true with the passing of the socalled
>antiterrorism bill.The 2nd amendment RKBA will be next if
>militia goons continue to make bombs and kill people.
Hi frankie,
all that ‘proved’ was that it was politically expedient for some
politicians to use the militias as a whipping boy…it proved nothing else
factually.
Arlin
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Tim,
1. The FM have gas masks too.
2. How many federal agents would you be willing to sacrifice to
accomplish this?
Arlin Adams
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(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:
>I think the spies in M.A.M.–Mike Chapman, Mark Pitcavage, Mike Medintz,
Mike
>
>Vanderboegh and Al Sharpton–should get together and bend some elbows. I
>vote
>that Al Sharpton buy the beer.
BEER??? You guys get beer? hey, how come nobody ever mentioned this
fringe benefit thing before??…uh, what kinda beer does Al Sharpton
drink??hmm…maybe I should think about this some more……
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>A good shot of Thorazine would fix
>you right up!
LOL! yes Typhanee, but would it do anything to improve his vocabulary? 🙂
Arlin
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writes:
>
>>I remember reading a magazine put out by a group I believe were called,
>>”Jews for the Preservation of Firearms”.
>
> Does anyone have an address and/or phone # for them?
JPFO
2872 S. Wentworth Ave.
Milwaukee, WI 53207
(414) 769-0760
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Ulrich) writes:
>
>Hmmmm, Sharpton probably drinks Anchor Steam Old Foghorn
>Barleywine Style Ale.
>
>
WHOOSH! my theory is: never drink a beer that you can’t pronounce after
the first three or four 🙂
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>Can
> one be a patriot while not being armed and not believing that one should
> be armed? More extremely, can one be a patriot while being an out and
out
> pacifist?
Hello Ed,
The answer to your questions is Yes! Certainly!
Religious pacifists have acted in patriotic, sometimes heroic manners
throughout US history. One need only look at the Conscientious Objectors
who became combat medics in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, to see that courage
and fortitude are not the sole province of the armed combatant.
why do you ask?
Arlin H. Adams
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mo10Cav) writes:
>I sez: Well, I finally lived long enough to see a leftist utter the
>(para)phrase: “America, Love It or Leave It.” Doubtless this fool wasn’t
>even a gleam in his welfare daddy’s eye in the Sixties, but the irony is
>delicious nonetheless. — Mike Vanderboegh, 1ACR
>
>
Yep, militia as counterculture! dig it!
Arlin
showing his age 🙂
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1. anybody know who this guy is?
2. as previously reported, the rumors concerning leave cancellation at
Dept of Justice have never been confirmed.
3. there hasn’t been any appropriate media propaganda prep for
anything…which is something the current administration dearly loves….
skeptically,
Arlin Adams
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> Yeah, that’s what I like about you, Arlin — you always have such
>fact-filled rebuttals which speak directly to the question posed to you.
>
> NOT.
cheap shot, Jim. I was trying to irk the guy just enough to think about
that piece of garbage, without embarassing himself any further. If you’ve
read my second post on the topic, you’ll have discovered I found that it
was impossible to avoid making him look even more the fool than he already
appeared to be. Which, of course, brings up the question why a historian
such as yourself didn’t jump all over that garbage to begin with…hmmm?
Arlin
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>how much longer should the FBI wait before
>taking action to arrest the Freemen?
Just let’em sit. They certainly aren’t going any where, and eventually
it’s going to sink in, even to them, that the game ain’t worth the candle.
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Hi David,
you have any background on this…sounds like somebody’s been watching
w-a-y too much of the science fiction channel….it’s also written by
somebody with some newspaper/magazine background, from the construction of
the text…might be a stupid media person trying to bait a response out of
one of the local militias in the hopes of generating a story…
Arlin
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 8:48:06 GMT
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Subject: Re: AMMO: .223 “Battle Packs”
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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected] (rmplstlskn)
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>I’m not sure, but isn’t that .223 in plastic battle packs a South Africa
>product? AUG puts out a pack like that, but the SA stuff seems to be most
>common.
there was some IMI stuff floating around out here a couple of months ago
as well.
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 13:48:04 GMT
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Subject: Re: Freemen or Wooses?
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Roger
Erdman) writes:
> why don’t they act like
>real men! Send the women and children out of harm’s way, and
>then “get it on” with the Feds, if they really have the guts
>to.
Hi Roger,
1. What do you mean by the term ‘real men’?
2. Do you believe women should be allowed to defend themselves? Do you
believe women have free will, just the same as men?
3. If they were to ‘get it on’ with the feds, what next? Do they just
keep shooting at the feds until they run out of ammo/die? If they did
manage to win in the tactical situation, what would be their next logical
move? What would be the feds’ next logical move?
Interested in your thoughts on this,
Arlin Adams
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 13:48:27 GMT
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Subject: Re: Get used to it…You will lose all your rights sooner or later and there’…
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It’s nice to see we’ve got the statists so upset that they have to spend
*hours* constructing trolls! 🙂 Let’s just hope they continue with this
same sort of waste of time, as it keeps them out of trouble….
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 13:49:25 GMT
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Subject: Re: ALERT
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JHistorian)
writes:
>Texas militia be on your highest alert. Reason to believe Texas
>is aa special target becasause of secession talk. Any info on these
>reports please post immediately.
>==========
> Your Prozac dosage needs adjusting again. Go to your doctor
>immediately.
to heck with the Prozac! how did he get out of the straightjacket and
over to the computer?
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 13:48:13 GMT
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Subject: Re: Starving Iraqis
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Brolin, you didn’t really think people were going to believe your nazidiot
propaganda in this newsgroup, did you? “Ingrid” indeed! I didn’t know
you were into cross dressing, but that’s your concern….Let’s look at
your current pack of lies:
>In contrast to Iraq, Israel mercilessly suppresses Christianity in her
>conquered territories,
This is not true. The Israeli government supports the Christian presence
throughout their country. Christianity is not suppressed. What this
person is confusing is that certain of the Lebanese warlords style
themselves as ‘christian’ although they kill ANYONE who questions their
actions, attack other ‘christian’ warlords, the Israelis, Lebanese
peasants, and basically anyone they think might have something they want.
By their actions (which is what God judges) they are not Christian; just
the same as the so-called ‘christian’ identity movement in this country is
not Christian.
> destroys Christian Holy Places
This is not true. Israel protects the Holy Places of *All* religions,
including the Dome of the Rock, a Moslem Holy Place which due to the
number pilgrims visiting it is probably the biggest security headache in
the entire country.
> (including the
>Biblical village of Emmaeus)
The *Biblical* village of Emmaeus is somewhere between 8-12 feet UNDER the
current ground level of the site…get real!
> and even takes Christian lives (including that
>of the kindly Dr. Mattar, Keeper of the Garden Tomb in Jerusalem who was
>killed in cold blood by the first Israeli soldiers to visit the Tomb
after
>the seizure of the Christian Quarter).
another made-up psuedofact…no evidence to support this whatsoever.
>I remember the start of the Gulf War very well because that was the first
>time that I noticed General Colen Powell. I will never forget the look
on
>his face when he said of the Iraqi: “We will surround them. And we will
>kill them.”
>
>Do those two sentences qualify as the Final Solution for the people of
>Iraq?
No, nor were they intended to. They WERE, however, intended to be the
Final Solution to the Iraqi Army which was occupying Kuwait at the time.
It’s interesting how consistently you people have to pull quotes out of
context in order to propagate your lies.
NOW let’s talk about the Iraqi government which:
continues to spend it’s money on developing nuclear weapons, rather than
feed it’s people.
continues to spend it’s money on developing chemical weapons, rather than
feed it’s people,
continues to rearm it’s oversized military, rather than feed it’s people,
summarily executes anyone voicing discontent with the way things are
going.
Gee, they sound just like nazis, no *wonder* you like them! Brolin, or
Ingrid, or whoever you want to call yourself today, there is one concept
you need to understand with crystal clarity: WE ARE YOUR ENEMIES. You
nazis, c.i., and any other white supremacist organizations are BY
DEFINTION operating in direct contradiction to the principles embodied in
the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
Because of this, you are anathema to the Constitutional Militias, and
will meet with nothing but hostility from us. You are neither strong
enough to overwhelm us, nor smart enough to out wit us…therefore your
only course of action is to quit while you are behind. The sooner you
realize this, the better it will be for you.
Arlin H. Adams
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 17:33:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: censors on both sides
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (JBrolin546)
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>From: Anton \ Internet: ([email protected])
>
>The following articles appeared in this week’s issue (5/3/96) of _The
>Week In Germany_ (http://www.germany-info.org/whats-new/):
Brolin, this nazidiot mindset of yours is beginning to affect your
perceptions of geography – this is a newsgroup for *American* militias –
if you want to pout because the German government is censoring your
ravings, take it up with them. Oh, I forgot, that would require
courage…never mind…
