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Adams 0596-2, Adams Arlin H

Mike Light writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]

>Sounds like an export opportunity for east-Europe and east-Asian nations.

yeah, and the prices are going to go through the roof!

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gary Newberry)
writes:

> UMMMM I’m not a ‘Rocket Scientist’ however , “I” wouldn’t expect to
>shoot at or kill anyone, much less a policeman or FBI/BATF Agent
>serving a search warrant and think I’m going to hole up and that they
>are going to just go away. I would KNOW that they are going to end the
>standoff sooner or later and root me and any followers out of my
>home/compound or whatever you want to call it by some means or method.

The correlary of this, would seem to be that you believe that the
government *does* have the right to, without provocation, shoot at you,
and attack your home using lethal force (a la the initial assault on the
Davidian compound), and that you would not resist such an assault. Is
that a correct assessment of your position?

>’Types” refers to the mindset of those who think they can flagrantly
>break the law that most everyone else obeys and arm themselves and
>attempt to get away with it. Lots of people have Kited checks ala the
>FM, most don’t them grab a gun and attempt to hold off law enfocement,

Okay, first off, nobody here is defending the FM’s actions vis a vis their
rather unique ideas on capital generation. However, what Typhanee and I
and some of the others are trying to get across to you is that you and
thee FM are operating from substantially different frame of reference.
To all appearances, the FM believe the federal government to be an illegal
and immoral organization. WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS REASONABLE TO YOU, in
order to understand *their* actions, you must understand what is
reasonable to them. Think of this as an extreme case of multiculturalism.
From *their* perspective they are acting in a logical manner, consistent
with their beliefs. It is because of this cultural collision that I fear
the end for these folks will not go well at all.

>in the same vein as most religious organizations wouldn’t shoot at or
>kill someone attempting to serve a search warrant.

I believe you’re talking about the Davidians again? If so, only if one
actually believes the story that the atf were attempting to serve a
warrant (which later testimony shows the atf agents didn’t even bother to
take with them), would this be a rational statement. You will be
hardpressed to find anyone on this newsgroup who believes such was the
case. For a more balanced view of what actually occurred in the initial
government assault on the Mt. Carmel compound, you might try reading Dick
Reavis’ book THE ASHES OF WACO.

>My point is ‘COMMON HORSE SENSE’, if YOU were in an armed standoff
>with law enfocement officials would YOU want ANY children around ?

Of course one would not intentionally wish to put children in harms way.
However, if one is poor (as are most of the FM) and one is surrounded in
one’s own home, as they are, there aren’t many options left. Not
everybody can pull out the gold card and send the kids off to Disney World
for a few weeks, you know? As importantly, please remember that both in
the case of the FM and the case of the Davidians, the federal government
is perceived *by*the*people*involved* as being inherently evil. Would you
choose to turn your children over to evil people, even if threatened at
gunpoint? Again, unless you understand the culture and perspective of
these folks, there is no adiquate way to determine their motivations.

>Did you miss the nationally syndicated political cartoon with a FM all
>dressed in his camouflage gear holding a rifle , with a child strapped
>to his chest ???

Interesting question. I guess my reaction is yes, indeed, I did miss that
cartoon, but that’s okay – my views are formed on experience, reading, and
thoughtful reflection; rather than political propaganda cartoons.

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (PGISSource)
writes:

>Just out of curiosity, is this the philosophical orientation from which
>your comments derive? I’m just wondering, since Herr Kleim has some
>wonderful writings on how to apply and structure posts.