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Adams 0596-1, Adams Arlin H

Raric writes
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] :

> First of all, The reason the press has a difficult time
>distinguishing between Freemen, Nazis, militias, skinheads, Christian
>Idenity, patriots, conservative Christians, etc, is because ALL of them
>hold to a number of beliefs that are sometimes similar, sometimes exactly
>alike.

Wrong, Raric, dead wrong. The only reason you might believe this is
because either you believe the gross slurs committed upon us by the media,
or you wish to delude yourself into thinking that we are all alike because
it makes it easier for you to deal with us. In either case you have once
again proven that you know next to nothing about the movement.

> The list of common shared beliefs among these groups are too long
>to list. The whole idea of a one-world government conspiracy ala pat
>robertson , for instance, can be traced to the anti-semitic forgery “The
>Protocols of the Learned Eders of Zion.

hmm, this must be the result of a public school education. First of all,
since you’re obviously new here, NONE of the regulars on this group
support the ideas espoused in the protocols…if you’d been lurking a week
or so ago, you would have seen the revulsion expressed when the white
supremacists spammed the group with an ad for that particular piece of
nonsense. Secondly, your prejudice against Christians is duly noted.
While I, for one cannot comment on what Pat Robertson might have said,
since I don’t pay attention to him, the fear of oligarich fascism is both
real and based on factual evidence. Just because you are unaware of such
doe not negate it’s existance.

> “Hey everyone I’m a
>racist tryoing to overthrow teh government and kill non-whites. I just
>wanted to let you know so you would have an accurate count of how many of
>us arae here.” Use your brain.

Now this sounds more than a bit paranoid. As I’ve mentioned previously,
we filter racists and antisemites out just as soon as we discover
them…usually when they’re trying to join. Since we support the
Constitution, that’s the only right (and for that matter the only moral)
thing to do. Son, before you start telling other people to use their
brain, you need to begin by learning to think for yourself.

>Try reading some patriot/militia literature. You won’t get
>through very many books, or pamphlest or flyers without seeing something
>about sovereignty, not paying taxes or needing car registrations. C’mon,
>let’s be honest. THAT’s the basis of many patriot beliefs.

LOL! Okay, that it explains it! look kid, I’m sure you made some klan
type *very* happy by buying all of whatever he was selling, but what
you’ve been reading is no more militia literature than the phone book.
Hmm, come to think of it, Under 10USC311(b) the *phone book* is more
militia literature than that tripe you’ve been reading. Patriot beliefs,
by the way are based on the writings of the Founding Fathers, the
Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I’d
love to see you explain how THOSE are offensive to you…please knock
yourself out.

Next time, try actually talking to the militia, before you go wandering
off into fantasy land, eh?

Arlin H. Adams

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Subject: Re: More patriots picked off one-by-one in GA, pussies
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (David L Evens)
writes:

>Aparently, it has some text covering explosives. After all, the
>propellants used in firearms ammunition are explosives.
>
>

Hi David,

technical trivia here:

the propellant (i.e. modern smokeless gunpowder) is just that – a
propellant. It burns very rapidly, producing a lot of gas which can be
used to thrust the bullet out the front of the barrel. It does NOT
explode. Black powder, on the other hand, IS an explosive .

…don’t you just hate it when people pick nits like this? 🙂

Arlin

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Date: Sun, 5 May 96 23:33:06 GMT
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Subject: Re: If there is such a thing as equal protection of the laws
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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected]
writes:

>
>If the DAMNED ** PRIVATE CORPORATION OWNED FEDERAL RESERVE IS EXEMPT,
THEN
>SO IS EVERYBODY ELSE. ***

not unless ‘everybody else’ is *specifically* mentioned in the law as
being exempt.

Would somebody PLEASE give this guy his medication, cheez.

Arlin

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Date: Mon, 6 May 96 2:03:37 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Scott Alan
Malcomson) writes:
>[stuff about Pastor Peters and the Identity movement scragged for space]
>: Anti-Defamation League. [Special Report] Paranoia as Patriotism:
>: Far-Right Influences on the Militia Movement. 1995.
>
>I note that NOTHING of what was printed here had anything to do with the
>Militia movement…yet it’s held up by the ADL as being “influential”.
>Uh, yeah. And little green men from Mars stole my pickup truck. Sure
thing.

Scott,

One of the reasons the adl keeps claiming this stuff is that the
supremacists, including members of the identity movement keep posting
their nonsense here in m.a.m., and then claiming to be part of us. Until
we drive them completely off of the newsgroup, AND keep them there, we
will not be able to convince such groups that they do not speak for us.

Arlin

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Subject: Re: ALLMIN: US Militia Headquarters Announces Web Site
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>You would be suspicious if your mother wore a red dress. I took a look
at
>the
>web site, and it has nothing on it that half a dozen other militia sites
>don’t
>have.

no mark, but I might be a tad suspicious if YOU wore a red dress…more to
the point, their “let us know if your unit isn’t listed here” is one of
the oldest tricks in the book to elicit information from the unsuspecting.
I still say it smells funny to me.

Arlin

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Date: Mon, 6 May 96 19:03:48 GMT
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Subject: Re: What I’d Like To See
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>>
>>Now mark, you know that is not the stated intent of the Declaration.
>>Quite plainly it was intended to serve notice that illegal acts such as
>>those committed by the government at Ruby Ridge and Waco simply will not
>>be tolerated any longer.
>
>It was a threat; it is difficult to read the document any other way.

hmm, so if I promise that I would turn you in if I saw you breaking the
law, that would also be a threat? when does a promise become a threat?

>>Are you then saying that the forged ‘war alert’ message contains the
same
>>statement?
>
>It was hardly “forged,” since it is so typical of militia communications.

It was most certainly forged, and not particularly well, either. There
were some external similarities, including a poor attempt to copy the
general style of the Declaration, but other than that there were some
glaring problems that the forgers were simply too inept to notice.

These included:
1. Valid Militia notices generally provide a point of contact for further
information.
2. Valid Militia notices applying outside a given unit generally indicate
*which* specific units or organizations have subscribed to the notice.
3. Valid Militia notices do NOT compromise tactical objectives.
4. Valid Militia notices do NOT attempt to dictate policy to
nonsubscribing parties.
5. No valid Militia plan has ever, to my knowledge, targetted the
military. There is no need to do so, nor would doing so be in the best
interests of the Constitution.
6. No valid Militia plan has ever, to my knowledge, made the media a
priority target. This would be a stupid waste of resources, as well as a
critical public relations error.
7. There is No centralized command and control structure within the
militias with the authority to issue the types of ‘orders’ contained in
the forgery.

These are all things you are, or should be aware of, Mark, come on. get
real.

>> Is it also signed by representatives from Constitutional
>>Militias throughout a number of different geographic areas?
>
>As I said, it was anonymous.

ayep.

>> While we’re
>>at it, do you believe that the activities it advocates are within
current
>>militia capabilities?
>
>Not really; the neo-militia groups are a bunch of wacked-out yahoos who
like
>to
>play at being Rambo. But that doesn’t mean that some of them couldn’t
hurt
>some people if they were to take it seriously.

hmm, other than the obvious bigotry of that statement, the real answer to
that question is that the Militias, being defensive organizations, do not
have the level of Command and Control neccessary to coordinate or execute
the activities mentioned in the forgery, over any large geographic area.
Let’s see, now, who took the forgery seriously: none of the militia
people I know, none of the *non* militia people I’ve shown it to have
bought it for more than about 30 seconds…so let’s see the fbi *claims*
they bought into it, portions of the mainstream media were fooled by it,
and, well, you, mark…can’t think of anybody else…

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>Henry Bibee has conveniently reposted his threat, so that everybody can
once
>again see how the militia “will not be restrained” if the feds harm a
hair on
>the chinny-chin-chin of the Hole in the Wall gang.

Now mark, you know that is not the stated intent of the Declaration.
Quite plainly it was intended to serve notice that illegal acts such as
those committed by the government at Ruby Ridge and Waco simply will not
be tolerated any longer.

Are you then saying that the forged ‘war alert’ message contains the same
statement? Is it also signed by representatives from Constitutional
Militias throughout a number of different geographic areas? While we’re
at it, do you believe that the activities it advocates are within current
militia capabilities?

Arlin

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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>>It was most certainly forged, and not particularly well, either. There
>>were some external similarities, including a poor attempt to copy the
>>general style of the Declaration, but other than that there were some
>>glaring problems that the forgers were simply too inept to notice.
>>
>>These included:
>>1. Valid Militia notices generally provide a point of contact for
further
>>information.
>>2. Valid Militia notices applying outside a given unit generally
indicate
>>*which* specific units or organizations have subscribed to the notice.
>>3. Valid Militia notices do NOT compromise tactical objectives.
>>4. Valid Militia notices do NOT attempt to dictate policy to
>>nonsubscribing parties.
>>5. No valid Militia plan has ever, to my knowledge, targetted the
>>military. There is no need to do so, nor would doing so be in the best
>>interests of the Constitution.
>>6. No valid Militia plan has ever, to my knowledge, made the media a
>>priority target. This would be a stupid waste of resources, as well as
a
>>critical public relations error.
>>7. There is No centralized command and control structure within the
>>militias with the authority to issue the types of ‘orders’ contained in
>>the forgery.
>
>I forget where the Valid Militia Notice Requirement Handbook is lodged,
but
>apparently you are the only one with access to it.

The only way someone could have failed to notice these things would be if
he were to take *everything* that had the word ‘militia’ in it at face
value…c’mon mark, you’re supposed to be a researcher. A major part of a
researcher’s job is learning to seperate the wheat from the chaff, don’t
tell me you haven’t been watching for patterns in communications?

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tim Hill)
writes:

>Perhaps they wonder why you claim to be a part of their militia. Hate and

>the militias are intertwined and will remain so, no matter what your
>personal militia vision may be. You are drawing from the same cesspool.

interesting image tim, and you are right to the extent that we have a
severe PR problem on our hands, but I have seen little of the hate you and
others attribute to us among any of the militia folk I know. Anger, yes,
frustration, certainly, but not the sort of nonsense that we are accused
of when folks smear us and the supremacists together in one breath. We
draw our people from society at large, so I don’t know how you can refer
to it as a cesspool, sorry, this baffles me.

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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

> the extremist right-wing militia movement,

ya gotta love the way he gets it all in one breath like that….

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes:

> Yet, the militia movement
>despite it’s numbers is completely unable to rally any comparable
numbersdespite
>the actual numbers that the movement commands. What is needed is a mass
>assembly that would demonstrate the extent of support for the Patriot
Movement. What
>do you think?

Although a really neat idea in theory, I think this could very easily be
subverted by the bad guys into an incident of astronomical
proportions…sorry, but at least not until the reno/freeh travelling
barbeque show is out of the government, okay?

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In article <831421984$[email protected]>, “Singapore: The Excelsior City”
writes:

>Usually, when a liberal extremist learns of Lee Kuan Yew (LKY), who has
been
>crusading for urbane civility, decency,

OH LORD! now we’re being spammed by fascists from other countries.
Singapore, for those of you who don’t know, is a virtual police state,
complete with neighborhood informers. Hmm, anybody have an email address
for the Singapore resistance?

Arlin H. Adams

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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected] (Janet
L. Littler) writes:

>Thank you, Mr. Pitcavage, for your usually illiterate reply.

Hi Janet,

mark has this problem, you see, in that he has no desire to understand why
we are here or what we are doing. His only desire is to denigrate anyone
who doesn’t agree with him. In a way, I’m sure he must be very lonely,
surviving solely on his ego, as he does; but that’s not really something
any of us can do anything about. Please don’t be surprised if he doesn’t
respond coherently to your post. His fear of, and aversion to, the real
world usually overrides everything else.

Arlin H. Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mo10Cav) writes:

>
>I wanted to say I am sorry about saying all those negative things about
>”threatman”
>
>

nice try mikey, but we can all read addresses here. this wasn’t even a
particularly creative forgery…careful or you’re going to forget your
password again, and then where will you be?

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Subject: Re: Let’s Get a German Base In Israel Next!
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In article <[email protected]>, Brad Camis
writes:

>If it’s good for America, surely it must be good for Israel! Lets get a
>Luftwafe
>Base permanently placed in Israel Next!!! Or are the Israelies going to
be
>the
>enemies of our beloved peace? Surely, the Israelies would wecome this as
>much as
>the Americans!

uh, Brad, the reason the Germans want space here is because their aircraft
don’t have enough open room to safely practice supersonic maneuvering in
Germany – the entire country is too densely populated. Now why in the
world would they want to put a base in Israel, which is smaller and more
densely populated than Germany?

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, klaatu writes:

>he suburbs of Washington DC are
>no longer in the control of the duly-constituted authorities. Control is
in
>the hands of immigrant populations which have been gathering rapidly for
the
>last two years.

*whew* klaatu, man, whatever you’re doing, you need to lay off it for a
while…

Arlin Adams
who just happens to live in a multicultural suburb of D.C.

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In article <[email protected]>, klaatu writes:

*whew* klaatu, man, whatever you’re doing, you need to lay off it for a
while…

Arlin Adams
who just happens to live in a multicultural suburb of D.C.

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In a message dated 96-05-07 12:48:21 EDT, you write:

> the conspiratorial theories about a one-world government are CLEARLY
>tracable to anti-Semitic ideas about Jews trying to control the world. I
>can offer you documentation proving that when issues such as gun control,
>government law abuses, and states’ rights inflamed teh anger of many
>Americans, racists and anti-semites infiltrated conservative ranks and
>began plantiung seeds about this New World Order thing in order to get
>basic conservatives and moderates to hate the government and rebel. This

I don’t think you understood my historical comments in my previous
message.
Let me try to be a bit clearer this time around: You are making the same
mistake made by many who lack a familiarity with historical matters. If,
in
point of fact, you *had* taken a look at the revolutionary war era, you
would
have seen that the issues reflected in the militia movement today were
issues
back then too. Everything from local control to the legality of militias
–
The Green Mountain Boys, considered heroes now, were an UNAUTHORIZED
militia
unit formed to defend what is now Vermont from the encroachment of a
greedy
New York government. In the same manner, if you had any depth of
knowledge
concerning the roots of European antisemitism, you would realize that the
‘protocols’ were originally written to inflame the less well educated
European lower middle and working classes. Because of this, there are
some
similarities between topics addressed in the ‘protocols’ and the concerns
of
modern day populists. Your lack of historical knowledge in these areas
has
seriously damaged your ability to understand the current situation.

>all fits into the Christian Identity desire to overthrow the Jewish pawn
>government.

you also appear to know very little about the psychology of demagogues.
As
with all such, the ci types merely chose a convenient target external to
their own situation, on which they blame all of their ills. Since they
are
also anti-semites, the ci paint the government as a ‘Jewish’ organization.
I
have yet to meet any militia members who actually buy into this nonsense.
In
point of fact, if you knew anything about ci, you’d realize that they were
initially formed as an offshoot of the ‘aryan nations’ which in turn
evolved
various street gang members who found themselves doing hard time in
various
state and federal penitentiaries in the western U.S.

You have totally ignored my rebuttal, based on personal experiences inside
the fe(de)ral government. You have totally ignored the documented cases
of
repeated governmental abuses of the populace. You have ignored the
historical record. You have, in point of fact, totally ignored all
factual
evidence which doesn’t fit your theory.

>Much of it started with the 1980s farm crisis , when the Posse
>Comitatus began spreading their hate and bizarre legal and conspiratorial
>theories throughout the heartland. This is irrefutabley documentable.

LOL! only if you don’t bother to go back any further than 1980…the Posse
was well established in the mid-west by the late 1970’s. I know this
because
I, personally, was involved in an armed confrontation with them at that
time.
They, as with all of their ilk, were a bunch of uneducated bullies who cut
and ran at the first indication that they were about to have to put up or
shut up.

I find it rather sad, although I guess one might say it was predictable,
that
someone like you should try to make a fast buck off of the Patriot/Militia
movement. Your research is at best, incomplete, and at worst
intentionally
shoddy. Doubtless you are not the only one to practice this myopic
methodology; but don’t go looking for justification around here, because I
guarantee that you will NOT find it.

Arlin H. Adams

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Yo, Frankie,

> My tongue nearly tore through the inside of my cheeck when
>I wrote that 🙂

*whew* for a minute there I was beginning to think I’d just subscribed to
the twilight zone version of m.a.m….

>Dees has repeated again and again that it’s only a *few* in
>the militias who are potential terrorists.And he’s repeatedly
>stated that there’s ‘alot of decent,honest citizens’ in the
>militias.

His words say that, but his reactions to *any* militia members indicate
otherwise – did you see him on nightline a week or so ago? Also after
giving disclaimers he then proceeds to say “the militias ” this, and “the
militias” that, without being specific, and yes that does look more than a
bit like a smear campaign from here.

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, Brad Camis
writes:

>
> If there is not enough space for the Germans to fly their
>aircraft over germany then:
>A. Why is there enough space over Germany for the US to fly better and
>faster airplanes over Germany?

*slowly*. They are restricted by the status of forces agreement to the
same general practices as their host country. In other words the USAF
aren’t allowed to practice high speed low altitude maneuvers over Germany
either. [now before anybody starts sending me war stories about being
dusted by a fighter, I *KNOW they still do this sometimes, but it really
is a major no-no].

>B. How do you propose the Germans intend to use their aicraft, if not to
>defend the skies over Germany?

You misinterpreted what I wrote. What I said was that they are not
allowed, by their federal laws, to practice certain types of flying over
their home country due to problems with high population densities. They
are most especially not allowed to practice high speed nap-of-the-earth
(NOE) type maneuvers which are what they would most likely be using in a
war time situation. Dumb law? you bet! But all THAT proves is that the
german bureaucrats aren’t any smarter than their American counterparts.

>C. If the Israelies have even less airspace to fly over Israel, how are
they
>able to manage to practice and fly their US supplied, (and faster than
the Germans)
>aircraft over Israel?

Combat Air Patrols. Oh, yeah, and they send *their* folks to the US for
training as well.

>Dah? Can you explain this, or do you want someone to tell you about the
>rabbits again instead?

you did ?what? with a rabbit??!!

Arlin

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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>> Case in point: the coverup in the murder of Vincent Foster.
>
>A cover-up that exists solely in the minds of conspiracy nuts.
>
>

hmm, and the special counsel for the Whitewater investigation…or doesn’t
he count?

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In article <8[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:

>>He’s a disingenuous statist lackey collecting names for later
prosecution
>>by his masters. Don’t let the scholarly guise fool you– he’s just a
>>troll and a snitch– and should be despised as such. — Mike
Vanderboegh
>
>
>You’re so cute when you go in for the personal attack. I’ll remind you,
>however, that it was your boss, not mine, who was revealed to be
collecting
>names for his masters. In the minds of many here, you are probably no
more
>”trustworthy” than I am.

Now here, folks, we have an excellent example of mark practicing one
aspect of the ‘big lie’ technique. In this case, he has taken the
compromise of the Tri-States National Communication Center, and twisted it
so as to *attempt* to make it appear that the NCS was actually running
things. Of course it wasn’t, but that’s not the point. By writing in
this way, he attempts to get the reader to ignore the facts, and cast
doubts on Mike’s character. Although he totally fails in the attempt, it
*is* interesting that he would even resort to something this blatant.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Walter
Ulrich) writes:

>
>BTW, could someone translate, “potentially actualize terrorist
>telegraphing”? My Newspeak dictionary doesn’t have a listing
>under that phrase.

Hi Walter,

it’s pseudo-psychobabble. These guys are a couple of lefty trolls, who
get their jollies out of posting pseudointellectual pieces that get people
upset. The best way to deal with them is to simply ignore them for a
couple of weeks…their little egoes can’t stand to be ignored, so they’ll
wander off in search of more fertile ground.

Arlin

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uh Walt? it wasn’t his fault – the #@$@# aol nntp server fritzed out
again yesterday…I guess it had something to do with going to a ‘new and
improved’ version of the software, or something…

Arlin

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>Hello fellow revolutionaries 🙂 ….I’m new to this group

careful Katie, the feds have already admitted to monitoring us here, and
if you keep throwing the ‘r’ word around like this you’ll pique their
interest.

>and I was wondering if you all knew about the following incident
>that occurred in Philadelphia…would you consider MOVE a miltia?

Yes, and to the extent that they were trying to protect their community
>from depredations by the government, I suppose they would qualify as a
militia. God knows the Philly cops thoughts so – it was the cops that
dropped the bomb on them. Their politics were a bit socialist for most of
us here, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t have the right to live as they
saw fit, so long as they didn’t bother other folks while they were doing
so.

> Will you
>suppport MOVE survivors in their fight for justice?

You’re going to have to be more specific on this – how many are left?
what are they doing about what happened? etc. I doubt many of us are
current on this issue – can you fill us in?

Arlin Adams

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Y’know mikey, I just don’t get it, you’ve been posting this stuff here for
over a year now, and every time you’ve gotten flamed. There are very few
possible reasons why you continue:

1. You achieve some sort of stimulation or gratification from either
writing this crap, or from the flame wars which ensue. If this is the
case, I would really suggest that you need to find a better way to get
your jollies – all you do here is embarass yourself in front of the world
2. You honestly believe that somehow, the revolution is going to start
any day now, and you want to be able to point to dejanews and claim that
you were somehow a leader. If this is the case, perhaps you should
consider that your posts have probably made you a priority target for the
bad guys. You have to live *through* the revolution before you lay claim
to history, and right now, I wouldn’t bet a plugged nickel on the chances
of that happening. With the number of alarms your posts must have set
off, the feds will undoubtedly be all over you like a dirty diaper, the
minute things start to happen.
3. You are intentionally creating inflamatory posts, so that person or
persons unknown can use them to demonstrate how the militia movement is
populated by irrational people. If this, indeed, proves to be the case,
the warm reception you seem to expect from other militia units may not, in
fact, be the reception you find waiting.
4. You are simply a kid with a computer, who sees this all as a big
videogame. It doesn’t matter to you what is actually going on here, so
you feel you can say anything you want to, and then brag to your buddies
about your membership in the militia. If this is the case, I doubt that
you will quit posting unless or until something does hit the fan. Then,
of course, you are going to have to spend quite a while convincing the
feds and their minions that you were just kidding…if you can, and if
they let you live long enough to plead your case.

So, which is it?

Arlin Adams

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w-e-l-l he may not be bright, and he may not make sense, but he sure
doesn’t give up easily, now does he?

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In article <[email protected]>, Jim Murray
writes:

>There was not mention of it on the local TV news that night either.

uh, Jim, you were expecting the PC tv stations here in DC to cover
something critical of the fedgov? heck, anything that doesn’t fit their
political agenda, doesn’t even get noticed.

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Michael
Rivero) writes:
> Never mind some plumber’s attempt at a pipe bomb. A spray perfume
bottle
>at the closing cerimonies of the Olympics would greatly reduce the entire

>world’s population problem.

Gentlemen, if I might intrude for a moment? There are two primary
problems with using any sort of biological agent. The first is in finding
a suitable ‘vector’. Unlike chemical agents, many of which can be spread
through the air, most bio agents require a vector. A vector is something
which will carry the virus/bacteria/ whatever in such a way as to spread
it throughout the target population. Vectors have traditionally been the
bane of the biowar set. Most effective: Black Plague – the rats carried
the fleas that carried the virus. The rats went everywhere, took the
fleas with them, and boom, the plague developed. Least effective: the
Japanese biowar labs apparently developed a fairly lethal viral strain
during WWII, but the problem was that the vector it was developed for was
bird feathers. Since very few birds bothered to hang around a
battlefield, the only way to deliver the vector in quantity was to have
aircraft fly low and slow over enemy positions, while the feathers were
shovelled out…needless to say this was NOT a popular concept with the
Japanese Air Force.
The second major problem is control. Obviously an attacker wants the
enemy to suffer from a weapon, while leaving friendlies (relatively)
untouched (although this might not be true if one was dealing with a
suicide cult). Bioweapons are notoriously indescriminate, so it stands to
reason that an attacker would only use a bio weapon for which they already
had a vaccine developed. Since people are aware of this, if some sort of
rare plague were to develop world wide, *except* for in one country, where
they *suddenly* discovered a *rare* vaccine that prevented it, w-e-l-l I
know what *I* would think under the circumstances.

In other words, other than a suicide cult, I can foresee few possible
applications of biowarfare agents in the near future.

Just my 2 cents worth
Arlin

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Hi Gary,

I’m not sure you are seeing this situation in the same terms as the
participants.

>I strongly suspect the women who died at Waco had ‘BRAINS’ also, but
>that certainly doesn’t mean they are being used.

In the case of the Davidians, they had no reason to expect the government
to attempt an all out attack on their compound, especially one which would
lead to their deaths – the world was watching, the mistake the Davidians
made was in assuming the world would do something to stop the
blackshirts…now THAT was a fatal error.

>My concern is the CHILDREN, why do these ‘types’ have to surround
>themselves with children, knowing FULL WELL what can or might take
>place?

uh, Gary, who are these ‘types’, you are talking about? People with
families? Single parents? or just people who disagree with the
government? I’m not clear on what you mean here.

>If the FBI/BATF agents brought their children to the standoff scene
>ala the Davidians at Waco or the Freemen/Freewomen in Montana this
>newsgroup would just explode about charges of Child hostages, yet
>not much gets mentioned about it when the Davidians or Freemen/Women
>practice it.

The fbi/batf didn’t/ don’t *live* there Gary, the Davidians *did* live in
the Mt. Carmel compound, even as the FM do live on the ranch. I realize
the media tend to make this all appear arbitrary and capricious, but that
certainly was and is not the case. Hmm, or is your point that dissidents
shouldn’t be allowed to keep their children? that seems to be where
you’re going with this argument.

Arlin H. Adams

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In article <[email protected]>,
“[email protected]”@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU writes:

>Does anybody here besides myself and Arlin have the vaguest idea what OBE
>is? Besides, dumbing down American schools and fondling sixth-graders
>are two entirely different things.

oh, one or two of the folks do, I’m sure. The actual objection here,
Mike, is to federally mandated controls. For a lot of folks, though, OBE
and Goals 2000 have become symbols of these attempts at federal control.
In all honesty, OBE was an excellent idea subsequently politicized (and
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Just my 2 cents worth
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mr J.S.
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>But to take up arms against your country – WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING –
is
>a very serious step, and is bordering on treason. As such, it should be
>considered only as AN ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT.
>
>We are not there yet, and it is virtually impossible that we will ever
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Hi J.S.

I guess the question that comes to my mind is – at what point DO you
believe such a last resort is justified?

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mr J.S.
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>Hold on a second here. I’ve read other pro-militia posters on this
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>who say that the militia movement is about *defense*. What exactly are
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>
>

The time when we shall have to defend ourselves, our families and
communities against aggressors, which as we’ve seen in recent years, can
include certain portions of the federal government. An adiquate defense
requires at *least* as much preparation as an attack does.

Arlin Adams

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Walter
Ulrich) writes:

[a lot of good stuff cut out to save space]

>4. Avoid telling the truth, which should be easy, as nobody in WA
>DC has the faintist idea what it is.

ah shoot, Walt, there must be at least 4 or 5 of us…’course none of *us*
work for the federal government…hmm, maybe there’s a correlation there
somewhere…:-)

Arlin

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> It can be confusing, but since we are
>all very much distinct individuals, I would ask that people *try* to
>keep us straight. 🙂

yeah, just remember Joe is the one with the hat…

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>Actually there was a 30 second spot on the Waco protest on 7 and cable 8,
>no coverage of an armed march though.

I stand corrected! sorry. I gave up on those anti-gun, liberal @#$@#$ a
while ago…

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gary Newberry)
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> UMMMM I’m not a ‘Rocket Scientist’ however , “I” wouldn’t expect to
>shoot at or kill anyone, much less a policeman or FBI/BATF Agent
>serving a search warrant and think I’m going to hole up and that they
>are going to just go away. I would KNOW that they are going to end the
>standoff sooner or later and root me and any followers out of my
>home/compound or whatever you want to call it by some means or method.

The correlary of this, would seem to be that you believe that the
government *does* have the right to, without provocation, shoot at you,
and attack your home using lethal force (a la the initial assault on the
Davidian compound), and that you would not resist such an assault. Is
that a correct assessment of your position?

>’Types” refers to the mindset of those who think they can flagrantly
>break the law that most everyone else obeys and arm themselves and
>attempt to get away with it. Lots of people have Kited checks ala the
>FM, most don’t them grab a gun and attempt to hold off law enfocement,

Okay, first off, nobody here is defending the FM’s actions vis a vis their
rather unique ideas on capital generation. However, what Typhanee and I
and some of the others are trying to get across to you is that you and
thee FM are operating from substantially different frame of reference.
To all appearances, the FM believe the federal government to be an illegal
and immoral organization. WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS REASONABLE TO YOU, in
order to understand *their* actions, you must understand what is
reasonable to them. Think of this as an extreme case of multiculturalism.
From *their* perspective they are acting in a logical manner, consistent
with their beliefs. It is because of this cultural collision that I fear
the end for these folks will not go well at all.

>in the same vein as most religious organizations wouldn’t shoot at or
>kill someone attempting to serve a search warrant.

I believe you’re talking about the Davidians again? If so, only if one
actually believes the story that the atf were attempting to serve a
warrant (which later testimony shows the atf agents didn’t even bother to
take with them), would this be a rational statement. You will be
hardpressed to find anyone on this newsgroup who believes such was the
case. For a more balanced view of what actually occurred in the initial
government assault on the Mt. Carmel compound, you might try reading Dick
Reavis’ book THE ASHES OF WACO.

>My point is ‘COMMON HORSE SENSE’, if YOU were in an armed standoff
>with law enfocement officials would YOU want ANY children around ?

Of course one would not intentionally wish to put children in harms way.
However, if one is poor (as are most of the FM) and one is surrounded in
one’s own home, as they are, there aren’t many options left. Not
everybody can pull out the gold card and send the kids off to Disney World
for a few weeks, you know? As importantly, please remember that both in
the case of the FM and the case of the Davidians, the federal government
is perceived *by*the*people*involved* as being inherently evil. Would you
choose to turn your children over to evil people, even if threatened at
gunpoint? Again, unless you understand the culture and perspective of
these folks, there is no adiquate way to determine their motivations.

>Did you miss the nationally syndicated political cartoon with a FM all
>dressed in his camouflage gear holding a rifle , with a child strapped
>to his chest ???

Interesting question. I guess my reaction is yes, indeed, I did miss that
cartoon, but that’s okay – my views are formed on experience, reading, and
thoughtful reflection; rather than political propaganda cartoons.

Arlin Adams

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>Sounds like an export opportunity for east-Europe and east-Asian nations.

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> Yeah, das right.
>Uh-huh. An if I’m lying, may lightning strike Pitcavage!

Uh, Tom, I’m kinda ambivalent about telling mark to duck…you want to do
it?

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom E.)
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> Yeah, das right.
>Uh-huh. An if I’m lying, may lightning strike Pitcavage!

Uh, Tom, I’m kinda ambivalent about telling mark to duck…you want to do
it?

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom E.)
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> Yeah, das right.
>Uh-huh. An if I’m lying, may lightning strike Pitcavage!

Uh, Tom, I’m kinda ambivalent about telling mark to duck…you want to do
it?

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom E.)
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> Yeah, das right.
>Uh-huh. An if I’m lying, may lightning strike Pitcavage!

Uh, Tom, I’m kinda ambivalent about telling mark to duck…you want to do
it?

Arlin

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom E.)
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> Yeah, das right.
>Uh-huh. An if I’m lying, may lightning strike Pitcavage!

Uh, Tom, I’m kinda ambivalent about telling mark to duck…you want to do
it?

Arlin

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