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Subject: Re: Blackmore–the *real* Blackmore
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> The words speak for themselves bucko.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Are you REALLY Ritchie Cunningham?
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
You correspond frequently with Harold
Covington and you did compose the jingle.
Which reads as follows:
snip
>
> [end quote]
>
> Did you pen the lines *preceding* the jingle? Or will you try to deny that
> too?
Yes, I did pen them. What of it?
BTW, I am pleased you brought this up. Now PROVE that I correspond
frequently with harold Covington. It would be my own business if I did, mind you,
but put some money where your mouth is…….Say $100.00? You like to make
bets….Now, go ahead, prove it and collect the money. otherwise, bend the knee
at Conossus—–a word of advice—practice genuflecting.–rb
From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 16:38:09 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 21 Dec 1996 10:26:52 GMT
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
However, due to the late period in
> >time when their crimes came to light, they were later re-arrested and
> >executed by the Poles. I am confident that I shall uncover many more such
> >cases as I continue to do research.
>
> Be sure to forward all of them to Prof. Butz. Do you need his email
> address?
>
> Posted/emailed. By the way, which address do you prefer for email –
> tutu101 or rblackmore?
>
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
It should be noted that I forwarded an email reply of to this post directly to Mike Stein
and asked him to post it, but he didn’t. So, for the record, i will say that we have
not only the 2 or possibly 3 depositions of Morgen, but also the testimony of
high SS Judge Reinecke, as well as the interogation reports of Eleanor Hodyss,
and a variety of other documents which need to be researched in depth concerning
this very issue. I do not need Mr. Butz’s address or email as I do not know him and really
have nothing to say to him at this point in time, but thank you for offering. Perhaps I should
forward the reports to you as well.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>
> > > I merely comment that the remarks are really insignificant
> > >and do not lend support to your claims that Jews were being gassed.
> >
> > Sour grapes.
>
> Or, considering the trck record of Mr. “pimple on a duck’s butt,”
> delusions of grandeur.
>
> > There’s so much hand waving going on here that I must take my leave.
>
> Indeed! Considering all the furious hand-waving by Mr. Belling, it might
> cause one to assume that a rodent crawled up his ass and died….
> Mark
>
>>>>
Thanks for the ammuntion, Mark. Your name calling does serve a purpose
other than showing you to be a hateful asshole. I am keeping track of all of it.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You
Date: 21 Dec 1996 08:44:33 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – Doc Tavish
> <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net>Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:29:24 -0600 writes:
> :>
> :>Oh Danny boy just two questions and that is all that I will ask. Why the
> :>fixation and obssession with knowing our real identities? Do you and
> :>your pals have a nice big surprise for us?
> :>Doc Tavish (Just hopin’ the ball snippers are sharp)
>
> Gee Doc, does a post go by where you don’t talk about your balls? Isn’t that
> just a teensy bit weird, to have that kind of ball fetish? Better get off the
> farm for a week or two and try girls for a change.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Here is Gordon McFee, ladies and gentlemen–who claims he never insults
anyone.
From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 16:38:11 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
y
>
> [end quote]
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
You tell me. Then prove it.–rb
From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 16:38:12 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> :
> : I find it equally interesting that people would be “rushing to the
> : rear.” Would that be to get away from the exhaust inlet? Does that
> : mean that there was from the exhaust pipe at the rear of the truck all
> : the way back up to the front of the truck?
> :
>
> I would expect that those seeking to escape would
> move towards the only exit — the door — and try
> to force it open, irrespective of where the gas was
> introduced. The door was at the rear of the vans.
>
> But someone with an IQ of 163 would certainly have
> found a better solution.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Someone with an IQ of 90 would have thought up a better lie.–rb
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : The whole quotation is obviously contrived.–rb
>
> The trouble with the obvious is that it is often not true.
> The trouble with the truth is that it is often not obvious.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
You fail to address the point.
From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 16:38:14 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
When are you going to address the issues, little Gordie?? Afraid?
From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 16:38:15 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: What Is ‘rblackmore’ Up To? (Re: Blackmore lies again (Was
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> : > [email protected] wrote to Chuck Ferree:
> : > :
> : > : You’re a pathetic old fart
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> : > Another typo! You should really exercise more
> : > care! That should be “*SYM*pathetic old fart”
> : >
> : > d.A.
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >>>>
> : Sympathetic to you, perhaps.-rb
>
>
>
> Not “perhaps”, but “definitely”.
>
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Too bad for you. You ought to be more selective in your
choice of friends.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer’s Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:41:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>
> Dr. Keren, Mr. Belling, the lying scumbag Nazi apologist, has currently
> fixated on the sadisctic Irma Grese as his latest Nazi idol. It has been
> said that Grese, the “blond Angel of Belsen,” though a sadistic torturer
> and murderer, was quite beautiful. Given the obvious paucity of neurons
> between Mr. Belling’s ears, and his obvious crush on Grese, one cannot
> help but speculate that the sexually repressed Mr. Belling crossed a few
> too many of them and came up with
> “alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pornstars. ”
One thing I am not is sexually repressed. Don’t project your shortcomings
on to me. I do not have a fixation on people who have been dead for over
fifty years, but I do dislike the fact that an innocent person was lynched by
prejudiced and hateful people like yourself.
>
> A Freudiuan slip perhaps? Or simply Mr. Belling’s projecting yet another
> of Nazi fantasies? Either way, it simply highlights what a depravced and
> repulsive person Mr. Belling truly is.
Spare us your insane drivel. Go tell it to the marines. You are getting
absolutley nowhere pursuing this line of nonsense, whether you realize it
or not.–rb
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer’s Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
> [end quote]
>
> I guess one of your dirty little secrets is out in the open, eh,
> Mr. Bellinger? No what was that you had to say previously about
> your not being one of those nasty bigots?
>
>>>>
You’re barking up the wrong tree, Rover. As I said many times over,
I am not anti-Semitic. Just by your implying it does not make it so. If this
is what you are relying on to attempt to prove your point, and indeed you are–
you are grasping at straws.–rb
From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 23:08:37 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘Let them die, why should you care?’
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Reply:
It is a poor reply with no substantiation. You received As in history?
It must have been one of those feed-back-the-dates courses.
Ignoring your insult, I will reiterate that I received straight A’s in history–from
high school to college.–rb
The emaciated corpses died from disease.
How did they become emaciated in the first place?
Diseases–such as typhus, dysentery, etc. The inability of the camp
administration to provide enough sustenance for the thousands of
people transferred to this camp during the last two minths of the war
undoubtedly contributed to their illness. However, this was no fault of
Kramer, as he had no authority to cease the endless shipment of ill inmates
to his camp.–rb
From _The Belsen Trial_. The testimony of Vice-Director of Medical
Services Brigadier Hugh Llewelyn Glyn Hughs on page 33-4:
Could you give details of the medical supplies? — There were quite a
few large stocks in the store, but one issue, I was told by the chief
doctor there, was 300 aspirin tablets for 17,000 sick people for one
week. I do not think there were any large quantities of disinfectant
available and no anti-louse powder issued. I found a large number of
Red Cross boxes sent by Jewish Associations for the Jews. I was told
that no issue of the contents had been made except an occasional issue
of sweets to the children. The boxes contained meat extracts and food
of all kinds, biscuits, milk. There was some stealing of meat by the
Hungarian soldiers while I was there.
There was also much stealing by inmates. As to the Hungarians, undoubtedly
this is true. Kramer was unable to control these Hungarians, who were battle-
hardened and rebeliious.–rb
What was the food supply in the camp? — At the time of entry
practically nil–at the most, one meal a day of watery stew made of
vegetables.
What was the method of distribution? — In large metal containers
which were very heavy. There had been no bread for a fortnight and no
water for rather a shorter time, and there appeared to be absolutely
no method of ensuring that each person got their share. when a man or
woman got too weak to fetch for themselves and their friends became
indifferent through their own condition, then they got none.
Yes, and this was due to the war.–rb
The artifacts allegedly made from corpses of inmates is a fraud.
Evidence?
Yes…? where is the evidence that they were authentic?
The shrunken head came from a museum in South America.-rb
Evidence?
Ditto.-rb
The German civilians were not ill with typhus, which is spread by
a germ.
>
> My understanding is that it is cause from scratching body lice. The
> conditions required to produce lice has to be a part of this. When
> scratched typhus can then enter the blood stream. Most of the
> witnesses, both German and civilain had been exposed to typhus and
> survived it. I posted testimony that said that nine-tenths of the
> people did not die from typhus.
Yes, you are correct, however, the disease itself is certainly triggered by a micro-
organis,.–rb
>
> See _The Belsen Trial_ page 127 the testimony of Dr. Leo:
I have already dealt with Dr. Leo’s exaggerations in a seperate post.–rb
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >Did I mention the “wascally Jews”? And I only hold Nizkook responsible
> >> >for their own abysmal ignorance.–rb
> >> >>
> >>
> >> I’m confused. I thought you agreed to put all the name calling aside?
> >>
> >> Get yourself a service that allows you to compose off-line. Then you
> >> can put all this stuff in one post. I wish Moran would do this also
> >> for he seems to post something then reflect on it. Then he replies to
> >> himself. Geez.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Yes, I agreed to put it aside when others do. Those who continue
> >to utilize name-calling will be treated in like fashion.–rb
>
> I see, you prefer the childish approach, rahter than the adult one. At
> least you admit to that preference. Blackmore doesn’t understand the
> value of turning the other cheek.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Indeed, I have often turned the other cheek, only to have it vigourously slapped.
Now, when have you turned the other cheek?–rb
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # The emaciated corpses died from disease.
>
> These people, and numerous others, were starved to death.
No, they died drom disease.–rb
>
> # The artifacts allegedly made from corpses of inmates is
> # a fraud.
>
> No, they are not. If you can prove they are, go ahead.
I have already posted evidence on this in the past.–rb
>
> # The shrunken head came from a museum in South America.
>
> You posted this claim a dozen times. Every time I asked you
> to provide any evidence whatsoever for it, and every time
> you have declined. You have also failed to address the fact
> that the shrunken heads are mentioned in an official
> correspondence between Nazi officials.
I believe you were indeed provided with a reference. As to the
alleged correspondence, I can only say that it must be another forgery.
You may find evidence of these forgeries in the biography of Lucius
B. Clay, where he freely admitted that these horror pieces were frauds.–rb
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:31:44 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> # Is this not one beautiful woman, the very essence of
> # Teutonic beauty.
>
> ## She looks like a guy in drag to me.
> ##
> ## But if you say she’s beautiful, I can’t complain. To each
> ## his or her own.
>
> If there’s so much interest, I can post a jpeg of Irma Grese,
> so this important question can be settled.
>
> In
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/
> Bormann.jpg
>
> There’s the photo of another of the SS-women from Auschwitz,
> Juana Bormann.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Right, Dan….And I suppose the photos were taken at a Hollywood Glamour
Studio and the ladies were attended to by beauticians before the photos you
posted were taken……..Would you like me to start scanning and posting photos of Jewish
people from the pages of the Stuermer? Continue with this little game and I will do it–rb
From [email protected] Mon Dec 23 07:53:55 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore–the *real* Blackmore
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:19:48 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message
> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:15:34 -0800
> writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
> :>McFee) wrote:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>> :>> Your typical exaggerating again. I notice you omitted my email reply to
> :>> :>> you on this matter. How convenient. Think what you like. You are wrong
> :>> :>> as usual. You remind me of the wolf in Aesop’s fable of the wolf and the
> :>> :>> lamb,
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Are you admitting (again) that you are in fact the Troll-Joseph Bellinger ?
> :>> :>
> :>> :>[posted/emailed]
> :>>
> :>> He must be, because the e-mail sent to me, to which he is alluding, was sent
> :>> by rblackmore!
> :>
> :>Then if this is indeed the case, recent statements that troll-Joseph
> :>Bellinger has made under the guise of tutu101 have revealed him to be,
> :>without a doubt, an anti-semite and a nazi apologist (not that there was
> :>much doubt in the first place.)
>
> That is correct. His little antisemitic ditty that you will have seen by now,
> and his correspondence with the creature Covington and company speak volumes.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Only to paranoid people like yourself, Gord.–rb
From [email protected] Mon Dec 23 07:53:56 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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[email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
[email protected] writes:
No, I never lied. I never lie. It would be playing into your hands.
You either lied about John Sack’s book when you called it 100% accurate,
or you lied later when you told us an excerpt from that book was chock-
full of lies. This is a fairly clear and easy case. You’re still lying
about the Auschwitz plaques.
Mr. Power, people would respect you more if you wouldn’t play them for fools by
distorting comments they are capable of reading for themselves. And you still refer
to me as a liar about the paques although this issue was settled ages ago. You
spread slander, Mr. Power. It will gain you no admirers except your little clique of
friends. The Sack book was indeed 100% accurate in that he faithfully recorded
the admissions of his subjects. Is that too difficult for you to understand without
twisting it any further?–rb
It was misinformation, and no fault of my own. Check with Mike Stein about it.
In spite of your unprovoked insults, I will answer your question:
You ask what crimes were being investigated. In the past, I have posted
a number of cases where SS men were investigated and punished for
mistreatment of prisoners.
Were any of these punished for mistreatment of Jews in the camp system?
If so, please give specifics, including dates.
Of course. however, all of this will have to wait until I locate all the available
research material. hoess was certainly under investigation for the murder of Jews.
Murder was a crime in Germany in the forties, regardless of race, creed, and color.
I have also posted proof of Himmler authorizing
the State Prosecutor of Bavaria to investigate alleged crimes and murders
conducted by guards at dachau, and giving his consent that any proven
cases of murder andmistreatment should be punished to the fullest extent of
the law.
Were any guards at Dachau ever prosecuted for murder or other mistreatment
of Jews?
I cannot provide that information at present. I do know that the Bavarian prosecutor
was intent upon doing so, and he had Himmler’s full authorization to investigate
. I believe it exists. I will have to dig it out.
I have already posted the statements of a german judge in 1937 as well as
Eicke’s dismissal
of an SS man for mistreatment in the same year. Obviously these
cases shall be difficult to research,
but I will do the best with what I have on hand.–rb
>
> > I have shown where Koch was tried and executed by the SS authorities
> >in full view of the inmates and personnel at Buchenwald for crimes committed
> >while he was commandant. Among those crimes was murder.
>
> Murder of whom? Of Jews?
I do not have the indictment in front of me, nor have I ever seen it.–rb
>
> > I have also
> >posted the fact that SS Judicial authorities received the permission of Himmler
> >to begin investigating other crimes and corruption in the German camps. himmler
> >authorized the investigation of Rudolf Hoess, who was scheduled to be arrested
> >by SS authorities. Others arrested were Amon Goeth and Maximillian Grabner.
>
> Which also has *nothing* to do with murder or mistreatment of Jews.
No. According to Morgen, this had also to do with murdering jews.–rb
>
> >The fact is, it takes time to investigate crimes which by their very nature, were
> >difficult to investigate in closed camps like Auschwitz and the rest. Auschwitz was
> >particularly difficult to investigate, as they were usually in quarantine due to the
> >epidemics there. Consequently it was difficult to gain access to this camp. In
> >the book “Anus Mundi” the Polish author writes how anything compromising would
> >be hidden by Hoess and his close staff whenever Himmler was due to arrive for
> >inspections. This is confirmed by others as well. The witness Eleanor Hodyss,
> >Hoess’s mistress at Auschwitz, was interrogated by SS investigators in Munich,
> >who were seeking an arrest warrant on Hoess for charges of murder, among other
> >crimes. Thus, your question is answered. there is still much more research needed
> >in this area, and hopefully I or someone else will provide more details in the future.–rb
>
> Bullshit. You have done a little dance aimed at avoiding the question.
> You have shown not a single instance where any staff in the camp system
> were punished in any way for murder or mistreatment of Jews.
Go back to pulling your knickers up. By your very comments you are not interested
in purposeful debate. Good-bye.
>
> Now, can you be honest enough to post, clearly and unambiguously, that
> you know of no instance in which camp staff were punished by Nazi
> authorities for mistreatment of Jews? Or will you continue your little
> wriggle to avoid the question and mislead readers of this newsgroup?
The only person misleading them is you–and you seem to have done a good job of
misleading yourself ae well. When I do post the material, and I will, your knickers will
drop of their own accord…..rb
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > We can always rely upon Mark for posting all the old wives tales, which have
> > not even an iota of truth in them.
>
> Mr. Belling, if you have evidence that Hilberg was repeating “old wives
> tales” [sic] that haven’t “an iota of truth in them,” please feel free to
> offer credible evidence confirming so. What? You don’t have any? You were
> simply being a mendacious lying scymbag Nazi apologist?
No. It is up to Hilberg to prove the accusations were true.–rb
>
> I’m shocked. (Not!)
>
> > Of course mark, now having opened this can of worms, is expected to provide
> > proof that Morgen was charged, convicted, and sentenced for these alleged
> > murders.
>
> Why? _I_ made no claims that Dr. Morgen was charged, charged, convicted,
> and sentenced for the deaths of the four Soviet POWs. Are _you_, Mr,
> Belling, claiming that he was?
Then your remarks are irrelevant.–rb
>
> > Where is it Mark? Get that foot out of your
> > mouth and prepare to stick the other one in….rb
>
> More like Mr. Belling should pull his head out of his ass once in a while
> and come up for air….
More of Mark’s anal compulsions.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> > >
> > nothing of interest
> > >
> ——————————————————————————–
> > >
> > >>>>
> > After the reading Kurt Stele just gave you, I’ll leave you alone….even
> I feel
> > sorry for you, Mark. Sad, really sad………rb
>
> Mr. Smith can _read_? Amazing. Will wonders never cease? Perhaps now he
> can attept to master writing? And then _maybe_ thinking? (No, _that_ would
> be too much to ask….)
>
> For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling’s increasingly irrelevant
> Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196
>
>
> Mark
>
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–
>
>>>>
Listen to Mark, the country “bum”kin.
From [email protected] Mon Dec 23 07:53:58 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi’s “handle”
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> gmc[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> >> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> >> 10:54:20 GMT writes:
> >> :>
> >>
> >> As for mine, I have made it abundantly clear that I post under my own name,
> >> always have and always will. That in itself should make it likely I am not
> >> Jewish, since there are few, if any, Jews named McFee (hell, there’s few if
> >> any *anybody* named McFee). But to assuage Mr. “Blackmore’s mind, allow me to
> >> state that I am not Jewish. Not that it matters a hill of beans.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >I was never particularly concerned that you were. I only considered you insane.
>
>
> Oh, now it becomes very clear. To disagree with Blackmore is a sign
> that one is insane! Hmmmm. What did they tell us about this kind of
> argument in Debate 101? Oh, yes, I recall. They tell us that those who
> are out of debate and find themselves losing usually will go into
> neurotic fantasies. They will actually think they are scoring points
> with blustering hyperbole. They will think that they are actually
> presenting a valid argument about the topic at hand by mounting a
> personal attack on the other. Then they will, after it is all over, be
> flushed with their sense of victory that they will talk about their
> success among their cohorts. But, dear readers, this is what debate is
> really about, isn’t it? Both sides should think they have won certain
> points. Both sides should come out of a debate feeling good about what
> they had done. Unfortunately, the debaters _rarely_ see themselves
> through the eyes of their audience.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I take it you were referring to yourself and your friends in the above passage?
From [email protected] Mon Dec 23 10:24:26 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Date: 22 Dec 1996 08:48:06 GMT
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# Her testimony clearly says that she never saw gas chambers
# and it was only based upon rumors.
Her testimony clearly says that she participated in the
gas chamber selections. One of her duties, which she spoke
about, was to chase the victims who tried to escape after
being selected to die in the gas chambers, and bring them
back to the roll call.
No, Dan. her testimony says that she participated in selections, but she
had no personal knowledge that such people were being gassed. That
was based upon rumor. It is sad that you cannot bring yourself to do and
say the right thing even in this case. you still cling on to your delusions like
a true fanatic.–rb
Being the lying Nazi that you are, you “forgot” this
part of her testimony.
# She didn’t gas anyone.
That’s true. But she did testify about the selections.
Yes. There were selections. She never saw any gas chambers nor anyone gassed.–rb
>
> # You should see a rabbi about this lying problem you seem
> # to have.
>
> Look at this Nazi swine, “rblackmore”. Save for Matt Giwer,
> he is the worst liar in this group. A good example is his
> claim that Amon Goeth was “executed by the SS” for
> mistreating Jews, while in reality he was tried and executed
> by the Poles after the war.
>
Well, you were upbraded by your own colleague, Mr. Stein about this, yet
you have the audacity to repeat the slander again.–rb
> # You need spiritual guidance.
>
> Look who’s talking… a Nazi swine, who:
Now it is Nazi swine? You are a pathetic person, Mr. Keren.–rb
>
> 1) Constantly lies about the Holocaust (see above).
>
> 2) Posts hard-core antisemitic “poems” to a Nazi mailing
> list (see Gord McFee’s articles in which the “poem”
> is quoted), and then says it was a “joke”.
>
> 3) Hounds teenage boys on alt.acadia, and then says that
> it wasn’t him, but someone else using his account.
>
> You’re really a piece of filth, “rblackmore”… a lying,
> perverted piece of filth.
We all see what you are, Danny….How can you live with yourself?–rb
From [email protected] Mon Dec 23 11:39:13 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > I suggest that you add to your extensive library:
>
> > > “The Talmud: A Reference Guide” by Adin Steinsaltz. It runs about
> > > $25,00 in paperback. : “The Tosafot were the collective creation of Rashi’s
> > > disciples and their students (including many of his own descendants), and
> they
> > > are a kind of summary of the style of study and inquiry in the yeshivot of
> France
> > > and Germany in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. They began as additions
> to
> > > and notes on Rashi’s [often cryptic] commentary; they were subsequently
> > > expanded and became a profound and independent interpretation of the
> > > Gemara itself, indeed, in some cases one can view them as an extension of
> the
> > > Talmudic discussion.” page 52
>
> > Well, then, does this mean that they are generally considered as a part of the
> > Talmud? And thank you for illuminating the subject. I will certainly look for this
> > book.–rb
>
> No more than the published opinions of the Supreme Court are
> considered part of the Constitution.
>
> Steinsaltz’s book is published by Random House.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Well, you gave an evasive answer to my question regarding the Talmud, but thanks anyway.-rb
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>
>>>>
You haven’t done a very good job of it Mark. better brush up on those anal
expletives you love to use. In fact, your whole life seems to be one long, uninterrupted
anal expletive.
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Juana Bormann and the Big Bad Wolf Hound
One of the women hanged with Irma Grese was Juana Bormann.
Ms. Bormann was a petite, almost fragile woman, who was 53
years old at the time of her trial. After a careful examination of the
trial records, it is clear that only two witnesses might have saved Ms
. Bormann from the death penalty: her dog, and a certain Sturmbannfuehre
r Hartjenstein. Needless to say, the authorities made no attempt to locate
Hartjenstein, and while the dog was in custody, he apparently decided to
take the fifth ammendment. In fact, it wasn’t so long ago when animals
were actually sworn in as witnesses in murder trials. Considering the biased
nature of the trials conducted by the allies against the Germans, the reimposition
of this procedure would have been an improvement in the proceedings.
Ms. Bormann was clearly convicted solely on the basis of alleged
eyewitness testimony. I write “alleged” because none of the accusations
were ever proven to be facts by independent evidence. No two witnesses
ever witnessed the same incidents. The primary accusations preferred
against Ms. Bormann consisted of the following:
a. That she participated in selections for the “gas chambers”.
b. That she set her dog upon hapless inmates
c. That she struck recalcitrant inmates
All of her accusers were Jewish.
“a” is easily dispensed with as it has been demonstrated
in the literature of the period that only doctors were
allowed to make “selections”.
“b” could have been settled simply by calling either other
Aufseherinnen who worked with her at the time o
r Sturmbannfuehrer Hartjenstein as witnesses. This,
however, was never done.
“c” There is no doubt that this frail little woman slapped
prisoners whenever they committed infractions, such as
stealing, malingering, and so on.
So how is it that Ms. Bormann received the death penalty?
The single major factor which led to her conviction and
execution was the eyewitness testimony of survivors. History
provides many examples of injustice brought about by false
testimony. As in the Salem witch trials as well as cases of alleged
Jewish ritual murder, the testimony of “survivors” and “eyewitnesses”
often smacks of hysteria and what the Germans call “Rache”, or revenge.
In the witchcraft trials, the chief motivation for giving false testimony
seemed to be a mixture of superstition, fear, hysteria, and jealousy.
In the cases of Jewish ritual murder, the motivation seemed to be
prompted by jealousy, superstition, fear, and hysteria. Sometimes
envy played a role, but not always. After all, how envious could one
be of junk peddlers, and so on, as frequently these were the very
sort of persons accused. In the case of accused Germans, the chief
motivation seemed to be revenge, hatred, and hysteria. Indeed, according
to Freud in his book entitled Dora, Jewish women are particularly prone to
afflictions of hysteria, which might explain why so many of the witnesses at
the Belsen trial were women.. Thus, if we accept Freud’s theories, woman
in general, and Jewish women in particular, seem to be more affected by
affllictions of hysteria than men. Not only is this idea borne out by an
examination of the witchcraft trials, but this seems to also be self-evident
in the “Satanic ritual” accusations so frequently voiced in our own era over
the past three decades.
In regard to the case of Ms. Bormann, she was accused of
setting a large black dog upon recalcitrant inmates. It was
said that these dog bites often led to fatalities. However, one
obvious flaw in this story is that, according to not only Ms. Bormann,
but other witnesses as well, such behavior was strictly prohibited by
concentration camp regulations and would have resulted in not only
an investigation of the incident, but in disciplinary action against the
offender. It is repeatedly been shown that, while coprporal punishment
WAS permitted, permission had to be authorized by a central office in Berlin.
Thus, Bormann’s explanation would appear to be credible. Also, Bormann
did not own a black wolf-hound, as one of the witnesses maintained.
Surely the prosection and the Judges were aware of this fact, as the dog
was taken into British custody upon the liberation of Belsen.
It should also be noted that Ms. Bormann was frequently
confused with another Aufseherin who was also stationed
at Auschwitz. It appears that no attempt was made by either
the defense or prosecution to locate this woman, as both defense
and prosecution both worked for the same team: England and the
allies. Aside from all this, Ms. Bormann specifically stated that at
Auschwitz she never had the dog. This could have been verified
by an examination of fellow Aufseherinnen, but not surprisingly, this
was never done.
Ms Bormann was also accused of selecting inmates for the
ubiquitous “gas chambers”. However, since the court never
established by forensic evidence that there ever WAS a gas
chamber at Auschwitz or anywhere else , this charge is hardly
worth addressing.
One witness, Helena Kopper, accused Bormann of being in
charge of the clothing stores, and this was disproven. Thus,
her allegations of abuse were false. Another witness, Lydia
Sunschein, stated that Ms. Bormann struck other women so
hard in the face that their teeth were knocked out. I have
already dealt with Ms. Sunschein’s hysterical imaginings in an
earlier post and need not recount them again here. The one
item worth mentioning is that one may see that Ms. Sunschein
was exaggerating simply by noting that Juana Bormann was a
rather frail woman.
Curiously, Ms. Bormann was accused of beating women
with a rubber truncheon, an item which was never used
in the German police system. As Ms. Bormann wryly noted
on the stand, the first time she ever saw a rubber truncheon
was in the hands of a British MP.
Finally, the petty thief and liar Herta Ehlert makes an appearance
once again, this time to state her irrelevant opinion of Ms. Bormann
for the benefit of the British Kangaroo Court. For the benefit of the
prosecution, Ms. Ehlert said in a statement presented to the court
that although she never personally witnessed it herself, it was her
opinion that Ms. Bormann was just the type who would have been
brutal to inmates and set her vicious dog upon them. Take the
comments for what they are worth—nothing–coming from the likes
of Herta Ehlert.
In conclusion, if ever there was a modern case of phoney witch
hysteria, that case would be Juana Bormann, who, instead of being
burned at the stake, was hanged at the scaffold.
References:
The Belsen Trial
Dora, by Sigmund Freud
Encycolpedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[email protected] writes:
You posted this claim a dozen times. Every time I asked you
to provide any evidence whatsoever for it, and every time
you have declined. You have also failed to address the fact
that the shrunken heads are mentioned in an official
correspondence between Nazi officials.
I believe you were indeed provided with a reference. As to the
alleged correspondence, I can only say that it must be another forgery.
You may find evidence of these forgeries in the biography of Lucius
B. Clay, where he freely admitted that these horror pieces were frauds.–rb
I have the relevant pages of Clay’s autobiography in front of me. (Page
254) He makes no such statement complaining only: “Perhaps I erred in judgment
[in commuting Koch’s sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of a
reviewing officer. Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized this
action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record before me.
I could only take action on that record.”
So much for “blackmore’s’ statement.
–YFE
>
>>>>
In the book “Lucius D. Clay–An American Life, Jean Edward Smith, Henry Holt
& Co., 1990, he reproduces an interview with Clay. Here is an excerpt:
CLAY: “…..one of the reasons I revoked the death sentence of Ilse Koch. There
was absolutely no evidence in the trial manuscript, other than that she was a rather
oathesome creature, that would support the death sentence. I received more abuse
for that than anything else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the “Bitch of
Buchenwald”, had written that she had lampshades made out of human skin in her
house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that the
lampshades were made out of goatskin.” P. 300-301.
Time to enter into the nineties, Yale.
Question: How many lawyers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: Hiow many of them can you afford?—rb
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>
> buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
> Emaciated corpses of the inmates.
>
> buchenwald02.jpg:
> Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.
>
> shrunken.jpg:
> The shrunken head of an inmate.
>
> buchenwald04.jpg:
> German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
> have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
> well-dressed and well-fed they are.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>>>>
Reply:
The emaciated corpses died from disease.
The artifacts allegedly made from corpses of inmates is a fraud.
The shrunken head came from a museum in South America.
The German civilians were not ill with typhus, which is spread by
a germ. It would take about 2 years of allied policy before the Germans
living near Buchenwald would resemble the corpses in the photos.
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:41 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Date: 22 Dec 1996 08:00:03 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Do you regard the menstral flow as “impure”, in the same sense as
> >other bodily funcitions dealing with elimination?
>
> If you’re all that interested in the 613 Commandments, read the
> Pentateuch. Ritual impurity was acquired in a lot of different
> ways, association with menstrual flow being one of them. (This
> could stretch beyond the woman experiencing the flow.) If you find
> this a great occasion for rude comments (and I could certainly
> guide you to bits of the Bible which would work even better),
> don’t forget that this was the Law of which Jesus testified that
> neither jot nor tittle would pass away.
>
>>>>
You wouldn’t need to guide me, Mr. Power. I am quite familiar with
the Bible. And if this was the law which Jesus said neither jot nor
title would pass away, why was circumcision done away with?–rb
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:42 PST 1996
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
…there certainly was a serious food shortage through-
out Germany.
And your evidence for this is, Mr. Belling?
Supplies had to be transported many miles to different locations.
And your evidence for this is, Mr. Belling?
people in prisons are usually unaccustomed to receiving gourmet faire.
But they are, I would assert, used to eating _something_.
Fact is, anyone familiar with the chain of command in the German Armed Forces
will know that it was impossible for Kramer to requisistion more food than he
was alloted for, as food also needed to be sent
to other cities.
And your evidence for this is, Mr. Belling? Specifiaclly, what is your
evidence that the stores at the nearby Panzergrenadier School was to be
sent to other cities?
For a detailed explanation of this mess, look for my repost of the kramer
> > trial.
>
> Translation: Mr. Belling has no answer so he frantically waves his hands.
>
> > Hope it answers your questions, Doc.–rb
>
> Only, I would inagine, if Mr. McTavish likes to watch your hand wave
> rather frantically to and fro….
>
>>>>
I know I am spoiling things for you but: concerning the food allocations and
such as well as the food and supply shortages, you will find the info in the text
of the trial, if you look hard enough. While I have never promised you that I
would do your research for you, you did indeed assure me that you would
post the alleged information regarding the mythical autopsies conducted on
mythical deceased at Dachau by Dr. Larson. Funny thing—it was never posted.
Kramer would have had more than enough crow pie from you to feed the entire
camp for a month.–rb
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Date: 22 Dec 1996 08:32:53 GMT
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> >Well, you have answered your own question. He asked and was refused.
> >He couldn’t very well bake the loaves himself. He did whatever he could, and
> >that is all one can expect from any human being.
>
> I would agree that he did some things, but there are other things he
> could and should have tried – most noticeably with regard to the water
> situation.
>
> As we discussed earlier, I think on what I have seen so far of what he
> did at Belsen – I am not as up on it as other matters – and ignoring
> anything which happened anywhere other than Belsen, at this time I would
> find for negligent homicide but reasonable doubt as to wilful murder.
>
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
I must say that this is an honest answer, which was obviously made after
due consideration of the facts presented, as I have ever seen from among
the “opposition”. Amazingly, Mr. McFee also once remarked that Streicher’s offenses
did not deserve the imposition of the death penalty. Perhaps there is still hope for a
non-biased approach in the study of the Holocaust. However, after Mr. McFee’s most
recent posts, it seems that he has decided to cast non-bias aside in favor of running
with the pack.
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > Someone with an IQ of 90 would have thought up a better lie.–rb
>
> Why? You never do.
>
>>>>
That’s a peculiar comment from someone with the IQ of a common
pin worm.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
That wasn’t the question. You can post that ditty from now until next
Christmas for all I care. It is more interesting than what you usually write.
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:45 PST 1996
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Date: 22 Dec 1996 08:43:25 GMT
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[Questioning from Major Cranfield for her defense]
Where did the order come from for what we call “selection parades”? —
That came by telephone from a RapportFührerin or from Oberaufseherin
Dreschel.
[I will make a comment here and now and again to make clear what has
been going on prior to her testimony. She does not deny the slection
parades as defined by the court. She is familiar with the various
parades. some of these are calls to select work parties. Some were
roll calles or Appelle. Some were attended only by Jews and these were
the special treatment parades. Non-Jews did not form up for these
particular parades. So follows the next question.]
When the order came were you told what the parade was for? — No.
What were the prisoners supposed to do when the whistle went? — Fall
in in fives, and it was my duty to see that they did so. Dr. Mengele
then came and made the selection. As I was responsible for the camp my
duties were to know how many people were leaving and I had to count
them, and I kept the figures in a strength book. After the selection
took place they were sent into “B” Camp, and Dreshel telephoned and
told me that they had gone to another camp in Germany for working
purposes or for special treatment, which I thought was the gas
chamber. I then put in my strength book either so many for transfer to
Germany to another camp, or so many for S.B. (Sonder Behandlung). It
was well known to the whole camp that S. B. meant the gas chamber.
[That sounds very honest and clear. If only Mr. Blackmore and his ilk
could only be as honest as Miss Grese.]
That was not overlooked when I wrote my post. It is clear that she NEVER
saw a gas chamber and had only been told of their alleged existence by prisoners
on the basis of rumors.–rb
Were you told anything about the gas chamber by your senior officers?
— No, the prisoners told me about it.—-Ditto.-rb
You have been accused of choosing prisoners on these parades and
sending them to the gas chamber. Have you done that? — No; I knew
that prisoners were gassed.
Something had to have been lost in the translation here, as she already
unequivocally said that it was on the basis of rumors that she heard people
were gassed. this, therefore, is a non-sequitor.–rb
>
> [Another definate statement along with a “I wasn’t involved although
> it happened plea. One will find that as one reads this trial that
> there were beatings and deaths and selections that both S. S. and
> prisoners saw. Yet, no one did them themselves or saw others doing
> them. Most claimed to strike with their hands and not use weapons.
> Grese was much more honest. –
Grese was indeed honest and she did not deserve to have her life ended.–rb
>
> [page 249]
>
> Did you carry a stick at Auschwitz? — Yes, an ordinary walking-stick.
>
> Did you carry a whip at Auschwitz? — Yes, made out of cellophane in
> the weaving factory in the camp. It was a very light whip, but if I
> hit somebody with it, it would hurt. After eight days Kommandant
> Kramer prohibited whips, but we nevertheless went on using them, I
> never carried a rubber truncheon.
>
> Later under prosecution questioning by Col. Backhouse:
>
> [page 256]
>
> Were you allowed to beat people? — No.
>
> So it was not a question of having orders from your superiors to do
> it. You did this against orders, did you? — Yes.
>
> Were you the only person who beat prisoners against regulations? — I
> do not know.
>
> Did you ever see anyone else beat prisoners? — Yes.
>
> Did you sometimes get orders to do so? — No.
>
> Did you give orders to other Aufseherinnen working under you to beat
> prisoners? — Yes.
>
> Had you the right to give such authorization? — No.
>
> Sorry for the digression. ]
And? This young woman had the right to defend herself and maintain order,
even though it was against camp regulations, which says something about
the camp administration–in that they did not allow gratuitous beatings. I dare
say that prisoners beating other prisoners was more common than prisoners being
beaten by guards. Again, the iomposition of a few beatings does not warrant the death
penalty.–rb
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
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[email protected] (Inveigh the kenneth) writes:
On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:52:02 +0000, Chuck Ferree
wrote:
Beers all around, on me.
40 kills in one sorty. An ACE also.
Is there anything this man has not done?
Yes. Two things:
1. Act like a gentleman
2. Tell the truth.
>
> =====
> If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
> —
> Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.
>
>>>>
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] writes:
[email protected] writes:
Read a few more posts. Of course you will now prove to us that
this 4 million were really Gentiles?
Oops. A mistake. Who is the US, Mr. Blackmore? You have continually
suggested that you are a part of no party but prefer to stand alone as
a serious scholar. Hmmmmm.
I am waiting…go to it, if you dare….
Since you are so clever, give US the figures…what do you say? Are
you up for the challenge? Wouldn’t you like to dish out the crow pie
that Mark Van Alstine failed to deliver?–rb
This, of course, is uncalled for.
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Who is “us”? Who are “elohim”? Stop twisting a simple expression.
And the challenge is repeated:
> > I am waiting…go to it, if you dare….
> >Since you are so clever, give US the figures…what do you say? Are
> >you up for the challenge? Wouldn’t you like to dish out the crow pie
> >that Mark Van Alstine failed to deliver?–rb
>
>
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:47 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:40:34 GMT
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
The question is not whether you can lie about the placque. You did
so. You specifically claimed that it stated “Jews.” The question is why did you
think you could get away with it. That is a question only you could answer.
If you research Deja news, you will see that it was answered. Stop fiddling around
with this nonsense. You attempt to make a big balloo over whether Jews were specifically
mentioned on these plaques or now. Whether they were or weren’t, the results are still the
same. You nor the Polish Auschwitz “Museum” can come up with convincing figures to show
that millions of non-Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. –rb
In Room 1 of Block 4 there was an urn. “The urn with a handful of ashes,
collected in the Birkenau terrain, commemorates ‘4 million of those’
who had perishhed there.”
Yes, and these alleged four million were what–Eskimoes? Are you so
dense?
Why are you so dishonest. The Poles consistently claimed it was
> Poles. As one sociologist who studied the Polish conception of Auschwitz stated
> it was “Auschwitz without Jews.” (citation previously provided).
>
> > So? What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
> > Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles? Is that what you are now asking us
> > to swallow? Lotsa luck…-rb
>
> No. No one is stating that this is the fact. They have been stating that
> this was the Polish position. It was. Why are you so dense? Or is it just
> dishonesty?
Let’s go another round on this—-the Poles called the Jews Poles, is that it?
It doesn’t change the fact that the millions referred to were not Poles but Polish
Jews….entienda…? Quibble, quibble…..rb
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:48 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >I already clarified this in a previous post. I did not have the
> >article in front of me when I posted. There were indeed 19
> >such inscribed slabs and none of them specifically mentioned
> >Jews, but it is quite implicit. Otherwise, how did publications like
> >Pictorial history of the Jewish People come up with this quote?
> >I have no problem with your quotes, but tell me—-
> >Who do you think the four million refer to?
>
> Very simple solution, Joe–are you really to stupid to figure it
> out? The editors put together a piece of false information (which
> they presumably supposed to be valid), namely that the Auschwitz
> victims numbered 4,000,000, with a piece of true information, that
> the overwhelming majority of those murdered at Auschwitz were
> Jews. Untruth plus truth created a new untruth. This new untruth,
> an innocent and understandable mistake, was not the Auschwitz
> Museum’s untruth. The Auschwitz Museum’s untruth was a lie; the
> Encyclopedia’s was a mistake partially based on that lie.
>
> Am I going too fast for you, Joe? Maybe you can show this to your
> niece and she can explain it to you better.
>
>>>>
I dare say she has greater understanding than you do.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
> Blackmore:
> >> Read a few more posts. Of course you will now prove to us that
> >> this 4 million were really Gentiles?
> >
>
> Mr. curtis:
> > Oops. A mistake. Who is the US, Mr. Blackmore? You have continually
> > suggested that you are a part of no party but prefer to stand alone as
> > a serious scholar. Hmmmmm.
> >
>
> Blackmore:
> > I am waiting…go to it, if you dare….
> > Since you are so clever, give US the figures…what do you say? Are
> > you up for the challenge? Wouldn’t you like to dish out the crow pie
> > that Mark Van Alstine failed to deliver?–rb
> >
> >>>>>
> >Who is “us”? Who are “elohim”? Stop twisting a simple expression.
> >And the challenge is repeated:
>
> Elohim is the one of the names of God, if I recall correctly. Part of
> the JEPD. (It’s the E part.) Yahweh is the J part. That was the other
> name for God. It wasn’t cleared up until Moses asked the real name.
>
> So it would be nice to no who the US is rather than your evasions.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Us refers to the browsers and myself.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 12:25:02 GMT writes:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>Well, how about the truth, which is something you don’t understand very
> :>well, as you say that I am a nazi shill and associate of a man I have never
> :>met or conversed with in my life. But, no matter to old Mark…if he can just
> :>throw enough mud……just a little more mud…….just a few more insults…..
> :>perhaps people will forget how little he has to offer on alt revisionism…..rb
>
> Then why are you exchanging little antisemitic ditties with him, rb?
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Who beside you said anything about exchanging a ditty?
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:50 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >
> > She makes no secret of it. She beat them, and when she came on
> >> to Belsen can you doubt that she carried on in precisely the same way?
> >>
> >> Mike Curtis
> >>
> >> Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> >> Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
> >> European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> >> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/ (Under construction – permanently!)
> >>
> >>>>>
> >And you maintain that a 21 year old girl deserved death for striking malingerers
> >and people who stole food portions from other inmates? Sad, even for you.-rb
>
> Actually, she was 22.
>
> She was charged with two charges, btw. She mostly convicted herself.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
That’s funny. I felt that she most exonerated herself.–rb
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>
>>>>
Your bravado is about as inspiring as the smell of Brother Juniper’s feet.
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > You’re barking up the wrong tree, Rover. As I said many times over,
> > I am not anti-Semitic.
>
> “I am not a crook.” Richard M. Nixon
>
>
> > Just by your implying it does not make it so.
>
> No but posting anti-Semitic drivel you have written makes a fairly
> conclusive argument — especially when you have refused to address the issue.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Adress what issue, Yale? What is it you would like me to address to
assauge your suspicions?
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:53 PST 1996
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Subject: For Doc Tavish–Kramer Repost 1
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> Brian Harmon
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >
Well, you have answered your own question. It was not Kramer who had
ordered these Hungarians, who were new to the camp, to mistreat prisoners.
Re: If Kramer did all that he could to help the inmates:
It was, but you keep insisting that Kramer did all he could,
> when it is clear that he didn’t.
It certainly is NOT clear that he didn’t. Otherwise we would not keep
addressing this issue. I believe I have posted the truth in this matter.
If you can’t see it-that’s fine. We’ll just move along to something else.
He had equipment in the camp and nearby rivers to supply the
> inmates with water.
What equipment did he have in the camp?
Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river
was polluted-and it probably was. It was only in his best interests to supply
the inmates with water if he could. He was intelligent enough to realize this.
> I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all.
Which means that sometimes there was reason.
He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
> shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
> hundreds were shot per day.
This would have to be confirmed by autopsies and then investigate
each and every case, as in a regular criminal case.
Also, even the british had to resort to firearms to contain the prisoners, as you
may read on page 37. It is true that they did not shoot AT them, but nevertheless,
they had to resort to firearms.
>
>
If Kramer was simply doing the best he could to save
> the lives of the starving and ill inmates in the camp,
> why on earth were they forced to work like this, without
> any water?
First you need to establish that Kramer issued such an order,
rather than these excesses being committed on whim by the
guards and overseers. Kramer could not be ubiquitous.
Also note that anyone who fell by the wayside was either left
> to die or killed on the spot.
Again, one would need to prove that Kramer gave such an order.
These crimes seem to have occurred sporadically and on the whims of the
guards, often from different units sent during the last weeks of the war. In any
event, pandamonium reigned in the camp by this time, and these guards would
not have given a damn about what Kramer had to say about things at this point
in time anyway.
…and yet you’d like to believe that Kramer had the inmates
> interests at heart.
>
> I wonder more and more why you believe this.
Because it appears to be true. If he was uninterested in their fate, he would
have fled like a common criminal. He also would not have given a damn about
isolating the children from the main body of the camp, where disease was running
rampant. He also showed good faith by writing an appeal to his superiors, who were
the only authorities in germany who could have helped him with the problem they
threw in his lap. THEY were responsible for the conditions of the camp-not Kramer.
I don’t have it handy right now, but you may find it in Reitlingers, “The Final Solution”.
> > Refer to the index under Kramer. All is there.
>
> Sigh.
No. Don’t sigh. I am not your mother to run and address your every little whim.
I have given you the information and you will simply have to visit your library and
read it for yourself, as I had to. I cannot do all your research for you, as I am often
told by the Nizkor people. If you have come this far, you can take the next step.
But you said rather explicitly that people suffering from dysentery
> should be withheld food, which is why Kramer would not give it to them.
>
Please don’t twist my words. I simply indicated that food is not a treatment for dysentery,
much less for gastro-enteritis. Kramer had nothing to do with this. The point was:
Kramer did not have the food for all these people, and even if he did, it would NOT
have helped them. They needed advanced medical treatment. These people were
seriously ill before they were even sent to Kramer during the last 2 months of the war.
It might help you if you could keep that thought in mind.
>
Were all of the inmates suffering form dysentery, btw?
No. Remarkably some patients were in fair health. Some of the other ailments
they had were gastro-enteritis-a very severe condition. Food will cause such patients
to vomit, as well as inducing great pain. I believe I read somewhere that many patients
died when the British attempted to administer food. This would have been caused by
the gastro-enteritis. Typhus was also beginning to spread throughout the camp,
undoubtedly
due to the contaminateed water as well as the unhygenic conditions in a camp which
was occupied by some 60,000 inmates! The typhus was carried into the camp
by Hungarian prisoners transferred into the camp in February, one month
before the camp’s liberation. Tuberculosis was also a problem, as it is in most
institutions even today. However, in one of the barracks, the British Medical officer
testified that “In regards to health, their general condition was not too bad and their
clothing was quite reasonable.” Pg. 34. (Re:the inmates)
The camp was originally built to accomodate
only a fraction of this number. The influx came only within the last few months of the
war. 13,000 people had already died from a variety of illnesses before Kramer was
able to arrange for the transfer of the camp over to the British. Thousands more were
to die even after the British assumed control. 80% of the people had dysentery.
The camp was woefully lacking in medical supplies. There were 300 aspirins for some
17,000 inmates in one compound.
I’d be more convinced if i had some evidence that Kramer actually did
> anything to improve conditions in the camp.
Well, there already is evidence of this, which I addressed above.
The rivers were not contaminated, as the british were able to supply
> the camp with potable water from them. And yet there is no evidence
that it needed to be treated. Also, the British
> used equipment located _within the camp_ to supply water, so Kramer
certainly had the means to provide water.
This is debateable, and perhaps he simply did not possess the ingenuity to
deal effectively with the issue. I still maintain that the river water was
generally thought of by both the Germans and British initially as NOT suitable
for drinking. In fact, on page 45 of the Belsen Trial you may read the
following:
“All water was brought in by British water trucks.” Also:
“The water in the tanks and in the concentration area was completely foul,
and as an immediate emergency measure some army water-carts were sent
in.” Pg. 54.
It is clear that this water did NOT come from the river, but from British supplies.
In fact, though a British officer later stated that the water pumped in from the river
was “fit to drink”, they still brought in water from British water carts for immediate
use in the camp. It took four to five days to supply the camp with water from the
river. As to HOW this officer knew that the river water was potable, or whether
he himself drank of it, the records do not say.
If the water at Belsen was contaminated, why didn’t Kramer do anything about it?
>
Well, what could he have done? Even the British had to resort to their own water
supplies to relieve the camp for the first week. I think that Kramer addressed this
issue by recognizing his own incompetence in not being able to supply the camp with
water, and arranging for the British to come to the relief of the camp. THAT is what
he appears to have done.
Mr. Giwer provided no citation for this. Given his nasty lying habit,
> i don’t believe him.
I cannot answer for Mr. Giwer, but I did try to provide you with some additional
information in regard to the water issue.
Also, what was your point about food? I stated that food is not a treatment for the
diseases mentioned. I did not state that food was delliberately withheld. What were
you chortling about? You did not “catch” me in a contradiction, as you apparently
thought you did. Apparently it would give you great joy to do so….I wonder why?
Now you’d like me to believe you only meant ‘solid food.’
What other food is there? It is what I always meant. By the way, I told you that these
people needed intravenous treatment, which means high concentrations of minerals,
electrolytes, and glucose. Do you need further explanation?
Kramer had water and food and medical supplies.
>
> Rather than make some effort to tend the sick, he forced them
> to haul corpses without food or water. If they fell, they
> were beaten, shot, or left to die.
>
This has in no way been proven. You need to connect Kramer directly.
>>
Concerning the children:
Methinks you should use your common sense. The children were isolated by Kramer,
as well as receivng extra rations of sweets and other goods. Sorry to spoil your
preconceived notions…..As a matter of fact, I am not sorry….a time comes when people
ought to confront the realities of a situation. You have been taught to believe in the
pure evil of Germans for so many years, that it must hurt when your icons are shattered.
It was not I who misrepresented the facts to you.
Concerning Ehlert:
Yes, i’ve read your post. It does nothing to convince me that Kramer
> was innocent.
>
That is simply because you REFUSE to acknowledge the truth. You are apparently
blinded by your own prejudice. There is an old saying: “Prejudice, which sees what
it pleases, cannot see what is plain.” Or perhaps more aptly put: “We do not see things
as they are-we see things as we are.”
rb
>
>
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
SS-men “punished for killing Jews”?
See what an SS-court had to say on the matter. It cannot
be any more clear than this. Only a “revisionist” can
fail to understand this document.
Excerpts from Verdict of the SS Court in Munich, against
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943
[‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988, p, 196-207]
—————————————————————–
1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against
the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the
Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should
have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should
be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take
part in the extermination of Jewry himself.
An SS-court states that the Jews “have to be exterminated”,
and that various units were “set up especially for this purpose”.
But even this is not proof enough for our “revisionist
> scholars”…
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
See what the Jewish Community had to say about this crime:
1888: Breslau, Germany: A crime was committed by one Max
Bernstein, a 24 year old rabbinical candidate at the Talmudic
college, against a 7 year old boy, Severin Hacke, whom Berstein
had enticed into his room. Blood was withdrawn from the boy’s
gentials. After the Judge’s verdict, Berstein made the following statement:
“The Bible and the talmud teach that the gravest of sins can only
be atoned for through innocent blood.” The Jewish community
publicly branded Bernstein insane.
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Mr. Power, people would respect you more if you wouldn’t play them for fools by
> >distorting comments they are capable of reading for themselves. And you still refer
> >to me as a liar about the paques although this issue was settled ages ago. You
> >spread slander, Mr. Power. It will gain you no admirers except your little clique of
> >friends. The Sack book was indeed 100% accurate in that he faithfully recorded
> >the admissions of his subjects. Is that too difficult for you to understand without
> >twisting it any further?–rb
>
> This is inane. How do you know Sack’s fidelity to “the admissions of his
> subjects”? He presents, without qualification, in his own narrative,
> material which he believes and which he intends for the reader to believe.
> When he wants the reader to be aware that he is only passing on the
> comments of others–e.g., Schlomo Morel’s denials of brutalizing camp
> inmates, or one camp commander’s claim to be a Roman Catholic–he makes
> that very clear. The narrative which I excerpted was presented by Sack
> as the truth. No twisting is involved.
>
> >Of course. however, all of this will have to wait until I locate all the available
> >research material.
>
> Oh, we’re back to this bullshit. I’m afraid that at this point no one
> takes your months-long promises in this regard seriously. Still lying.
>
>>>>
I always have a suspicion of people who claim to speak for everyone.
They have bizarre complexes.–rb
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:55 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> Doc Tavish <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>>>
Actually, Doc, not all prisoners were tattooed, even at Auschwitz. Some of those destined
for transit to another camp from Auschwitz were often held for a while and then shipped on.
Consequently, there was no need to tattoo. Curiously, at some point during the course of the
war, and this would have to be checked in Danuta Czech’s book, the tattooing of prisoners
stopped altogether at Auschwitz. I have personally spoken to ex-inmates of Auschwitz, some of
who had a tattoo, and others who didn’t. There need be nothing sinister read into the fact that
some inmates were tattooed and others were not. The members of the SS were also tattooed under
their arm.
rb
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:56 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Of Course Blackmore Doesn’t call folks names
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 09:42:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
> >> >On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 17:16:39 GMT, [email protected] (Mike
> >> >Curtis) wrote:
>
> >> >>But is any of this necessary if Blackmore claims he wants to further
> >> >>discussion?
>
> >> >You’re assuming Mr. Bellinger _wants_ to further discussion
> >> >instead of simply being in love with the sound of his keys
> >> >clacking.
>
> >> I’d hate to assume anything of the cypher calling itself
> >> [email protected] and posting via sprynet. I was hoping that the
> >> pot-kettle-black stuff might stop and the useless one liners stop.
> >> Alas, Blackmore, unlike most of us cannot seem to learn.
>
> >> >In the case of Mr. Bellinger, as I have stated before, the
> >> >problem is that his brain has never had a thought that his mouth
> >> >counldn’t use. Unfortunatly, he rarely puts his brain in gear
> >> >before he puts his mouth in motion.
>
> >More insults and name calling from mr. Curtis. How insipidly droll.
>
> Get your attributions straight. Those were my insults. But, I
> only use them on you becasue you are so deserving of them.
> Perhaps if you’d work at improving your integrity you’d catch
> less of them.
>
>
>>>>
Perhaps if you would work at preserving your manners, you would
throw less of them.–rb
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:25:57 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec
[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230]
—————————————————————-
The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo’w to Lemberg
[Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding
for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from
Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section
1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into
section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the
gas installations and the burial field were situated…
The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August
1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of
experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to
six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average
150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the
gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were
carried out to test and study closely the camp’s capacity and the
technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing…
At the beginning of May 1942 SS-Oberfuehrer Brack from the Fuehrer’s
chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik he discussed
resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said he had too few
> people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia
> programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
> detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
> Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would
> not be possible for the Einsatzgruppen to clear individual areas of
> Jews and the people in the large ghettos of Warsaw and Lemberg by
> shooting them, the decision had been taken to set up two further
> extermination camps which would be ready by 1 August 1942, namely
> Treblinka and Sobibor. The large-scale extermination programme
> [Vernichtungsaktion] was due to start on 1 August 1942.
>
> About a week after Brack had come to Globocnik, Wirth and his staff
> returned to Belzec. The second series of experiments went on until
> 1 August 1942. During this period a total of five to six transports
> (as far as I am aware) consisting of five to seven freight cars
> containing thirty to forty people came to Belzec. The Jews from two
> of these transports were gassed in the small chamber, but then Wirth
> had the gas huts pulled down and built a massive new building with a
> much larger capacity. It was here that the Jews from the rest of the
> transport were gassed.
>
> During the first experiments and the first set of transports in the
> second series of experiments bottled gas was still used for gassing;
> however, for the last transports of the second series of experiments
> the Jews were killed with the exhaust gases from a tank or lorry
> engine which was operated by Hackenholt.
>
>>>>
In 1803 the former rabbi Neofito published a sensational book in the
Moldavian language. In it he gave details about the terrible Jewish
secret of the blood mystery. This book was translated in 1843 into greek
and later in 1883 in Italian, under the title, “Il sangue cristiano nei riti ebraici
della moderna Sinagoga, “causing Jews to become very excited all over
the world. On page 19 of this work the Jewish author Teofito confesses how he
was initiated into the knowledge of ritual murder……..
“This secret of the blood is not known to all the Jews, but only to the Chakam
or the rabbis and the scholars, who therefore carry the title “Conservatori del
mistero del sangue” (Conservators of the mystery of the blood) They pass it
on by word of mouth to the Jewish fathers. They in turn reveal it to their sones
who regard this as a great honor. At the same time they make terrible threats of
punishment if one of them betrays the secret.”
“When I was 13 years old my father took me aside, led me into a room,
where nobody could listen and after he described to me the hatred of
Christians he taught me that God ordered the Christians to be slaughtered
and to collect their blood….”
There we have another confession, similar to those Mr. Keren loves to
produce from time to time on alt revisionism. The secret meeting, being
led into an adjoining room..etc., all sound like Hoess’s phoney version of
his secret meeting with Himmler…..in 1940-41? Mr. Teofito related his tale without
any torture or third degree methods. Why would he lie about his own people?
Do you still think all those fairy tale confessions by Germans are truthful as well?
Or shall you wail “Forgery”!, neglectful of the fact that you constantly ridicule
revisionists for claiming the same. What is good for the goose is not good for the
gander—-or is it?–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:03 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘rblackmore’ Lies Yet Again (Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer IV)
Date: 23 Dec 1996 02:36:40 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> ## He [Kramer] was in command of the camp. He made no effort
> ## to stop what the men under his command were doing. They were
> ## killing inmates even as the liberators entered the camp.
>
> # To bad the “liberators” (who were there by negotiation of the
> # camp’s early surrender at Kramer’s instigation) did not report
> # any such thing.
>
> Of course they did. You have the book “The Belsen Trial”, right?
> Look at page 34, the testimony of Brigadier Glyn Hughes.
>
> You will *not* get away with these lies, nazi-boy. Didn’t you
> learn this already? I have the book, and I can check what you
> write. So be careful.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Without getting too deeply into a discussion on this, I am not sure that
I wrote the above comment. These are copies of posts which may or
may not have been written by different people, myself included. As a
matter of fact I am familiar with the testimony that Hungarians, transferred
to the camp only days previously, had been shooting at the inmates. They
were not part of the original staff and were quite independent and rebellious.
It seems that they were never charged for their offenses and others were left
to should the blame.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:04 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : > > What is the tosephta and how does it differ from the Talmud?-rb
>
> : Well, then, does this mean that they are generally considered as a part of the
> : Talmud? And thank you for illuminating the subject. I will
> : certainly look for this book.–rb
>
> Actually, Mr. Edeiken was making a common error. The “tosephta” and
> the “tosafot” are not the same thing. Although I believe that
> Steinsaltz does discuss the tosephta in one of his books about the
> Talmud (maybe he mentions it in “The Essential Talmud.”)
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience”
>
>>>>
Well, again I ask: What exactly IS the tosephta?–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:04 PST 1996
Article: 88177 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Coming soon to a theatre near you—Juana Bormann
Date: 22 Dec 1996 10:36:53 GMT
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I said “Coming Soon”….why did you bother to open this thread, silly?
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:05 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer III
Date: 23 Dec 1996 21:17:29 GMT
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> [email protected]d.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # Back to cases. If corpses are rotting in the water, our
> # brilliant counselor says, take out the bodies and the water
> # is pure.
>
> Stop being an idiot. The corpses were not in the river’s water,
> which the SS could have easily supplied to the inmates (who in
> the meanwhile were dying of thirst). The corpses were in water
> basins in the camp, and they probably got there because the
> SS-men murdered people and threw them into the basins.
>
> The Brits have immediately established running water in the camp,
> using only equipment they found there. The SS could have done
> this, had they cared about the inmates.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Danny you are wrong. Re-read my post and the testimony. For the first week
water came from units attached to the British army field kitchens and supplies.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:06 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
Date: 22 Dec 1996 10:32:17 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> > Well, then, does this mean that they are generally considered as a part of the
> >> > Talmud? And thank you for illuminating the subject. I will certainly look for this
> >> > book.–rb
> >>
> >> No more than the published opinions of the Supreme Court are
> >> considered part of the Constitution.
> >>
> >> Steinsaltz’s book is published by Random House.
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >Well, you gave an evasive answer to my question regarding the Talmud, but
> thanks anyway.-rb
>
> That’s a pretty churlish response to a perfectly straightforward
> answer to your question. I guess it doesn’t pay to treat a lying
> asshole like yourself politely.
>
>>>>
You’re such a girl, Miss Flower.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:07 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore–the *real* Blackmore
Date: 23 Dec 1996 21:06:45 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > Then if this is indeed the case, recent statements that troll-Joseph
> > > Bellinger has made under the guise of tutu101 have revealed him to be,
> > > without a doubt, an anti-semite and a nazi apologist (not that there was
> > > much doubt in the first place.)
>
> [snip]
>
> > Only in your sad and tortured mind, Raj…..
>
> Speaking of sad and tortured, Mr. Bellinger, why did you to respond to my
> post twice – once as tutu101 and the second time as rblackmore ?
>
> ——————-
> Peace will not come out of a clash of arms but out of justice lived and
> done by unarmed nations in the face of odds. (Gandhiji)
>
>>>>
Why do you ask?
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:07 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 22 Dec 1996 10:33:54 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >The only person misleading them is you–and you seem to have done a good job of
> >misleading yourself ae well. When I do post the material, and I will, your knickers will
> >drop of their own accord…..rb
>
> This continuing disturbing obsession with another man’s “knickers
> dropping” from one who accuses other posters of anal fixations….
>
>>>>
You better speak to your “buddy”, Mark Van Alstine about anal fixations.
It seems that is one of his obsessions, along with the size of men’s penises.
So you admit you are a man who wears knickers? Aha! I thought so!
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:08 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 23 Dec 1996 03:45:26 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >Thanks for the ammuntion, Mark. Your name calling does serve a purpose
> >> >other than showing you to be a hateful asshole. I am keeping track of all of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> And what did you just do? Don’t you see the hypocrisy of calling
> >> someone a name-caller and then doing it yourself in the same breath?
> >>
> >> Quite hilarious.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Curtis
> >> E-mail [email protected]
> >> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
> >>
> >>>>>
> >I also have saved references where you have called me names as well.
> >Not so hilarious now, is it?–rb
>
>
> Well, I rarely find much of your stuff of value. So I rarely save it.
> But go ahead and trot out the material from this newsgroup. I’ll be
> happy to cnsider what I’ve said. I also hope you are honest enough to
> present this material in context and without your own embellishment.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I am only interested in posting where you have called me names, as I do
not think it fair for you to represent yourself and your associates as God’s
little angels.–rb
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
(filth)
>
>>>>
You need professional help Mark. Go get it, before all that shit inside of you comes oozing out through
your nostrils.
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The Good Old Days–Photograph
On page 55 in the book, “The Good Old Days” is a photograph
with the caption: “Lithuania, 1941. Male and female Jews are
made to dig a mass grave in a woodland clearing. In the foreground,
Jews who have been shot.” So runs the caption. I only wish to
point out a few obvious facts:
1. It is impossible to tell whether the people in the photo are Jews.
2. It is impossible to tell whether they are digging a grave.
3. It is impossible to tell whether anyone has been shot, although
there does appear to be a number of corpses. However, the bodies
are scattered in a semi-circle of sorts and it is almost impossible to
determine what might have happened to cause their deaths.
4. There are no German soldiers in the photo.
The Good Old Days –The “Jaeger Report”
The so-called Jaeger report may or may not be genuine, IMO. One
would have to examine the post-war statements as well as the trial
records pertaining to Karl Jaeger, the alleged author of the report.
While much of the material seems damaging, it would be a mistake
to rush to judgment based upon the scanty material the authors have
presented for out inspection. There is much in the report that would
seem contrived, or coincidental, such as the names of two alleged
perpetrators of crimes against the Jew: Jaeger and Hamann. Jaeger
means “hunter” in German, and Hamann, of course was the Persian
who wanted to exterminate the Jews in the book of Esther. Either this
is a prophecy come true, or it was God’s way of exacting a terrible
and sardonic punishment upon the innocent.
The authenticity of the report could only have been
commented upon by one person–Jaeger himself, but
also coincidentally, he committed “suicide” while in custody in 1959.
The Good Old Days — Toegel, Kiebach, and Trill
The authors of “Good Old Days” reproduce in this section
a number of brief statements attributed to 3 ex-Security
Police officers. This I find to be as disturbing as the events
described. The statements were obviously taken out of
context, and there would be at least a dozen questions I
would wish to direct to the 3 ex-policemen. Prima facie,
the statements appear to be quite damaging, yet experience
tells us that not everything is always as it seems….Undoubtedly
executions took place. My concern is to know the full particulars.
With the exception of Trill mentioning the execution of 15 or 20 Jews,
none of the other statements mention who was being shot
and why. and that could make all the difference in the world. -rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:10 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:16:22 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Let me ask you this: Are you saying that she deserved to die even though
> >she never gassed people, and assumed they may have been gassed based
> >upon rumors which circulated in the camp by prisoners? You seem to be of the
> >opinion that a 21 year old girl should have had her life taken on this basis?
>
> Geez, the poor innocent had only been participating in the mass murder
> of hundreds of innocents. And they were only Jews, after all. Aside
> from that, and various gratuitous cruelties toward helpless prisoners,
> hey, she was a saint.
>
>>>>
She wasn’t a saint, but she was innocent of the charges preferred against
her and you do not have the moral guts to admit it.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Doc Benway) writes:
> On 23 Dec 1996 20:24:22 -0500, [email protected] (Charles
> Power) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] writes:
> >
> >>Let me ask you this: Are you saying that she deserved to die even though
> >>she never gassed people, and assumed they may have been gassed based
> >>upon rumors which circulated in the camp by prisoners? You seem to be of the
> >>opinion that a 21 year old girl should have had her life taken on this basis?
> >
> >Geez, the poor innocent had only been participating in the mass murder
> >of hundreds of innocents. And they were only Jews, after all. Aside
> >from that, and various gratuitous cruelties toward helpless prisoners,
> >hey, she was a saint.
>
> And you truly believe that if she had not “participated” then it
> would not have happened. You are very strange.
>
> Out of curiosity, when are all of those “confessed” SKs going to be
> hung?
>
> =====
> If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
> —
> Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.
>
>>>>
Haven’t you heard? It wasn’t their fault….I wonder of that is why Dr, Kastner
was murdered in Israel?
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re Irma Grese By Special Request
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:21:26 GMT
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
## In
##
## https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/ ## Bormann.jpg ##
## There’s the photo of another of the SS-women from Auschwitz,
## Juana Bormann.
# Right, Dan….And I suppose the photos were taken at a
# Hollywood Glamour Studio and the ladies were attended to by
# beauticians before the photos you posted were taken……..
What’s your problem? You think SS-woman Juana Bormann was ugly?
You think this is why I posted her photograph?
Actually, I assumed you had a crush on her….
# Would you like me to start scanning and posting photos of Jewish
# people from the pages of the Stuermer? Continue with this little
# game and I will do it–rb
You’re trying to scare me, nazi-boy, or what?
Does this scare you, Dan?–rb
Does Juana Bormann excite _you_ Mr. Belling? Does anti-Semitic cartoons
abou “Jewish Ritual Murder” excite you as well?
It must, as there is little other reason for an anti-Semitic lying scumbag
Nazi apologist, such as yourself, to post such self-damming things….
>>>>
No, what excites me is the pleasure of seeing you eat that crow pie
you had so carefully prepared for me.–rb
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
Plebian.
Cretin.
More of Mark’s inspired scholarship.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:13 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:33:13 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article
> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
>>>>
Paul claimed his authority to implement these changes from Jesus himself,
whom Paul claimed appeared to him in a vision, as Moses once saw his
buring bush….but you knew this already.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Punished? They were DECORATED for participating in the mass murder.
>
> Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of
> concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14
> November 1941
> [Hitler and the Final Solution – G. Fleming, University of California
> Press, 1984, p. 99]
> ——————————————————————–
> The Commandant’s office has submitted to date two lists recommending
> the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In
> both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We
> herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be
> listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further
> requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists
> under “reasons and comments of immediate superior” there should be
> specified “execution, i.e., special action” or whether a general,
> routine reason should be given.
>
>
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>
>>>>
What were the circumstances of these alleged executions?
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 23 Dec 1996 21:58:35 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Can you explain why in the book “German Crimes in Poland”, it is
> >expressly stated that the Germans had not exterminated the Poles or
> >Russians, but only the Jews, and that undoubtedly the Poles and
> >Russians would have been the next on their list had they won the war?–rb
>
> Can you supply a precise quote, rather than your probably twisted
> paraphrase? Then I for one will be happy to take a stab at explaining
> it. I just don’t want to waste my time explaining your misunderstandings.
>
>>>>
I have posted some of this recently but I don’t remember where.–rb
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Subject: Re: ‘Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row’
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Willi Mentz testifies about his days in Treblinka
[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 245-247]
———————————————————————–
When I came to Treblinka the camp commandant was a doctor named Dr. Eberl.
He was very ambitious. It was said that he ordered more transports
than could be “processed” in the camp. That meant that trains had to
wait outside the camp because the occupants of the previous transport
had not yet all been killed. At the time it was very hot and as a
result of the long wait inside the transport trains in the intense
heat many people died. At the time whole mountains of bodies lay on
the platform. The Hauptsturmfuehrer Christian Wirth came to Treblinka
and kicked up a terrific row. And then one day Dr. Eberl was no
longer there…
For about two months I worked in the upper section of the camp and
then after Eberl had gone everything in the camp was reorganized. The
two parts of the camp were separated by barbed wire fences. Pine
branches were used so that you could not see through the fences. The
same thing was done along the route from the “transfer” area to the
gas chambers…
Finally, new and larger gas chambers were built. I think that there
were now five or six larger gas chambers. I cannot say exactly how
> many people these large gas chambers held. If the small gas chambers
> could hold 80-100 people, the large ones could probably hold twice
> that number…
>
> Following the arrival of a transport, six to eight cars would be
> shunted into the camp, coming to a halt at the platform there. The
> commandant, his deputy Franz, Kuettner and Stadie or Maetzig would be
> here waiting as the transport came in. Further SS members were also
> present to supervise the unloading: for example, Genz and Belitz had
> to make absolutely sure that there was no one left in the car after
> the occupants had been ordered to get out.
>
> When the Jews had got off, Stadie or Maetzig would have a short word
> with them. They were told something to the effect that they were a
> resettlement transport, that they would be given a bath and that they
> would receive new clothes. They were also instructed to maintain quiet
> and discipline. They would continue their journey the following day.
>
> Then the transports were taken off to the so-called “transfer” area.
> The women had to undress in huts and the men out in the open. The
> women were than led through a passageway, known as the “tube”, to the
> gas chambers. On the way they had to pass a hut where they had to hand
> in their jewellery and valuables..
>
>>>>
1401 Breisgau The Jews were charged with “planning to exterminate
Christendom by poisoning the air”–without doubt the earliest reference
to the use of poison gas.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Wetzel Write Lohse About the ‘Gassing Apparatuses’
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941
[Hitler and the Final Solution – G. Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 70]
————————————————————————
With regard to my letter of 18 October 1941, please be informed that
Oberdiensleiter [Chief Executive Officer] Brack from the Fuehrer’s
Chancellory has stated his readiness to assist in the construction of
the necessary accommodations and gassing apparatuses, so they must
first be constructed. Brack’s view is that, since construction of the
apparatuses within the Reich would present far greater difficulties
than on-site production, the most expedient course of action is to
send his people directly to Riga, in particular his chemist Dr.
Kallmeyer, who will take the necessary steps from there.
Oberdiensleiter Brack further points out that the procedure in
question is not without its hazards, and that therefore special safety
precautions are needed. Under these circumstances, I ask you to
contact Oberdiensleiter Brack in the Fuehrer’s Chancellory through
your higher SS and Police leader. Please request from him the
dispatching of the chemist Dr. Kallmeyer and any further assistants
that are needed. I might further point out that Sturmbannfuehrer
Eichmann, the adviser on Jewish affairs in the Reich main security
office, is in complete accord with this procedure. According to the
information received here from Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, camps for
Jews will be set up in Riga and Minsk, where Jews from the Altreich
> [Germany proper] might also be sent. Jews are currently being
> evacuated from the Altreich to Lodz and other camps, from which those
> fit for work will be transferred to work forces in the east. Given the
> present situation, Jews who are not fit for work can be eliminated
> without qualms through use of the Brack device. Incidents such as
> those that took place during the shootings of Jews in Vilna, according
> to a report I have on my desk, can hardly be sanctioned, keeping in
> mind that the executions were undertaken openly, and the new
> procedures assure that such incidents will no longer be possible. Jews
> fit for work, on the other hand, will be transported to work forces in
> the east. That the men and women in this latter group must be kept
> apart from each other goes without saying. Please keep me informed as
> to any further measures you take.
>
>>>>
At Breisach in Breisgau it was discovered that all the Jews of
Strasbourg, Basel, Freiburg, and Breisach were in league and
had jointly hired agents to deposit the poisons, which the Jews
of Basel supplied, in the wells. –rb
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 25 Dec 1996 00:57:32 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> >
> >> > She makes no secret of it. She beat them, and when she came on
> >> >> to Belsen can you doubt that she carried on in precisely the same way?
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike Curtis
> >> >>>>>
> >> >And you maintain that a 21 year old girl deserved death for striking malingerers
> >> >and people who stole food portions from other inmates? Sad, even for you.-rb
> >>
> >> Actually, she was 22.
> >>
> >> She was charged with two charges, btw. She mostly convicted herself.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >That’s funny. I felt that she most exonerated herself.–rb
>
> Then show the group how you arrive at these so far unsubstantiated
> opinions by using actual source material.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
That was already done. Only stubborn people without the guts to
admit an injustice was done would think otherwise, IMO.–rb
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Subject: Re: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> Mr. McFee is rolling on the floor in a fit of laughter at the moment and
> can’t type right now. If you’ll wait a bit and let him catch his breath,
> I’m sure he’ll get back to you.
>
>
>>>>
He must have finally met you in person, Mark.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:18 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer’s Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:14:49 GMT
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
rblackmore writes:
One thing I am not is sexually repressed.
Prove it. };->
Are you gay, Mark? You do have a compulsion which we all know about….rb
Don’t project your shortcomings on to me.
I wouldn’t think of it! You’re far too “short” already!
Apparently you are gay.–rb
I do not have a fixation on people who have been dead for over
fifty years….
Really? Then why do you keep trying to deny that a bunch of dead Nazis
killed 12 million innocent people?
Because its not true?–rb
…but I do dislike the fact that an innocent person was lynched by
prejudiced and hateful people like yourself.
>
> Really? And whom might this innocent person be? Your sadistic Nazi
> sex-kitten Irma?
You have a limpid imagination, mark.–rb
>
> Imagine that. Executing a person for taking part in the torture and mass
> murder of innocent people!
Who are you referring to–Jews who confessed and were convicted and
executed for ritual murder?–rb
>
> > > A Freudiuan slip perhaps? Or simply Mr. Belling’s projecting yet another
> > > of Nazi fantasies? Either way, it simply highlights what a depravced and
> > > repulsive person Mr. Belling truly is.
> >
> > Spare us your insane drivel.
>
> Wrong person. Mr. McTavish is in charge of insane drivel.
>
> > Go tell it to the marines.
>
> Okaaaay… But when they find out what _you’ve_ been up to….
Tell them about your ass fixation first.–rb
>
> > You are getting absolutley nowhere pursuing this line of nonsense,
> whether you
> > realize it.or not.–rb
>
> On the contrary, you’ve once more done a _splendid_ job of evidencing that
> you’re a lying scumbag Nazi apologist. Makes _my_ task much easier,
> thanks!
You are really sad. ROTFL!–rb
I really am!!!-rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:19 PST 1996
Article: 88316 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties
Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:08:05 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > : The whole quotation is obviously contrived.–rb
> > >
> > > The trouble with the obvious is that it is often not true.
> > > The trouble with the truth is that it is often not obvious.
> > >
> > > d.A.
> > >
> > >>>>
> > You fail to address the point.
>
> While you simply fail to dress.
>
>
>
>>>>
That was so stupid, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:19 PST 1996
Article: 88317 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:07:10 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # Victims? Roll call was to establish how many people
> # were present.
>
> Mr. “rblackmore” seems to forget, yet again, that his
> beloved Irma Grese (last seen dangling from a rope
> in Germany), had testified that roll calls were also
> held to select victims who were to be murdered in the
> gas chambers. He also “forgot” that she said one of
> her jobs in Auschwitz-Birkenau was to chase the
> victims who tried to escape from these roll calls,
> bring them back, and beat them up.
>
> But, really, I don’t think he “forgot” that. I think
> he knows this very well. And that this is what makes
> him love and admire Irma Grese so much.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>Danny, you have been quiet lately. no confessions to post this week?–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:20 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 22 Dec 1996 00:06:12 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
For the record, i will reply to this sometime this evening. I look forward to it.
It should only take a minute or two,–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:21 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Of Course Blackmore Doesn’t call folks names
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:03:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 18 Dec 1996 11:34:40 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >Perhaps if you would work at preserving your manners, you would
> >throw less of them.–rb
>
> Speaking of manners, how do you explain your statements that you
> are not a bigot with the following:
>
> Oh, I know. You didn’t compose it, you merely passed it on.
>
> Sorry, it doesn’t quite cut it. (“Honest, Dad, I’m not a bigot.
> Sure, I dress up in a sheet and stand around a burning cross with
> the boys but I’m just having some fun. Some of the others may
> mean it but not me. After all, I didn’t light the cross.”)
So this is your fantasy of me? Quite funny….and quite erroneous.-rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:21 PST 1996
Article: 88333 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Question…
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:05:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > Why is Al Baron in jail?
> >
> > Darren Green,
> > Oxford Brookes University.
>
> Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don’t you check.
> You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to indigents and
> locate his solictor/barrister.
>
> –YFE
>
>
>>>>
That was cruel and vicious, Yale. And you are supposed to be religious?
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:22 PST 1996
Article: 88337 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: ‘Grabner Ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening’
Date: 25 Dec 1996 00:39:49 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz:
> [Quoted in “‘The Good Old Days'” – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
> Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 255].
> ————————————————————–
> At another, later gassing — also in autumn 1941 — Grabner* ordered
> me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly
> had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both
> openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was
> also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children.
> As the Zyklon B — as already mentioned — was in granular form, it
> trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then
> started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to
> them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed
> as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there
> was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to
> fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay
> higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.
>
> * Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz
>
>>>>
1759 In the town of Voislavitza near Lublin, the jewish community was
accused of the murder of a Christian boy. Five elders were brought to
trial. The rabbi committed suicide while in jail, the other four were
convicted and executed.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:23 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘A gassing experiment was carried out’
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Testimony of SS Scharfuhrer Erich Fuchs, in the Sobibor-Bolender trial,
Dusseldorf
[Quoted in “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard
Death Camps”, Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 31-32].
————————————————————–
….We unloaded the motor. It was a heavy Russian benzine engine, at
least 200 horsepower. we installed the engine on a concrete foundation
and set up the connection between the exhaust and the tube.
I then tested the motor. It did not work. I was able to repair the
ignition and the valves, and the motor finally started running. The
chemist, who I knew from Belzec, entered the gas chamber with
measuring instruments to test the concentration of the gas.
Following this, a gassing experiment was carried out. If my memory
serves me right, about thirty to forty women were gassed in one gas
chamber. The Jewish women were forced to undress in an open place
close to the gas chamber, and were driven into the gas chamber by the
above mentioned SS members and the Ukrainian auxiliaries. when the
women were shut up in the gas chamber I and Bolender set the motor in
motion. The motor functioned first in neutral. Both of us stood by
the motor and switched from “Neutral” (Freiauspuff) to “Cell” (Zelle),
so that the gas was conveyed to the chamber. At the suggestion of the
chemist, I fixed the motor on a definite speed so that it was
> unnecessary henceforth to press on the gas. About ten minutes later
> the thirty to forty women were dead.
>
>
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
In Berlin the Jews Salomon, Jacob, Aaron, Levi Isaac, Rabbi Mosch and the
butcher
Jacob were accused of buying a three or four year old Christian boy for 10
florins from
a stranger, laying him on a table in a cellar and puncturing him with needles
in the large
blood rich veins until he was finally slaughtered by the butcher Jacob. An
enormous
trial began, and eventually a hundred Jews who were involved in the crime
were locked
in the Berlin prison. They partially admitted to having bought Christian
children from
strangers, stabbing them, draining their blood, and drinking the blood in
case of illness
or preserving it with tomatoes, ginger, and honey. No fewer than 41 of the
accused
Jews were sentenced to death by burning after their confession. All the
other Jews
were banished from the Mark of Brandenburg. (Richard Mun: “The Jews in
Berlin.”
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:24 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Let her lie, why do you care?”
Date: 23 Dec 1996 19:56:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > Chuck Ferree
>
> > > We all have read so many of your lies, nothing you write means doodly
> > > squat. We all know you are just another anti-jewish, anti allied
> > > pro-Nazi dipstick. Get a life, pal.
>
>
> > If you would take a little time to do somw research and reading you might
> > learnsomething.
>
> One of things he will learn is how you distort and misrepresent.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
This coming from the “King” of distortion himself! The reader only be made
aware of one fact—-Mr. Edeikin is an ATTORNEY.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:24 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murdered
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia,
> to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland,
> 31 July 1942
> [Quoted from “Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg
> Military Tribunals”, Vol. IV, pages 191-193]
> ———————————————————
>
> During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner
> and the extremely capable Chief of the SD,
> SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had
> liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during
> the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely
> exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way.
> In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000
> Jews, etc., were liquidated.
>
> […]
>
> In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and
> 29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews – mainly old people, women,
> and children – the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most
> of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin
> in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer’s orders.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
1247 Valreas, France A Jew confessed that a dead chilod found
with wounds on its forehead, hands and feet, had been crucified
in accordance with a Jewish custom to celebrate communion on
Easter Saturday with the blood of Christian children.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:25 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: “Let her lie, why do you care?”
Date: 25 Dec 1996 00:52:11 GMT
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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> >In a discussion concerning the guilt or innocence of Kramer, former
> >commandant of Belsen, Danny Keren referred to unsupported statements
> >attributed to the ex-commandant by former camp Aufseherin Herta Ehlert,
> >a petty thief and bully. Ehlert swore that Kramer had said of the inmates
>
> ‘Unsupported?’
>
> Her comments were certianly supported by Harold Le Druillence,
> and Fritz Klein, to name just two.
>
> – Brian
>
>
>>>>
These alleged comments were not heard by any other witnesses. it is
Kramer’s word versus theirs. And who knows? perhaps Kramer was
tired of their pestering and so on, and just was having a bad hair day.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:26 PST 1996
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Subject: For Doc Tavish–Kramer III
Date: 21 Dec 1996 21:51:09 GMT
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On 24 Sep 1996 02:10:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> >> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>> >> > Sure. First you give them water.
>
>> >> The water with the corpses floating in it?
>
>> > Gee, first you take the corpses out.
>
>> And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law. You
>heard it
>> here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is
>remove
>> the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.
> Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your
>statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.
Back to cases. If corpses are rotting in the water, our brilliant counselor
says, take out the bodies and the water is pure. What next, counselor? Sip
around the turds and be safe?
Hey, genius! Tell us more.
=====
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Subject: For Doc Tavish–Kramer IV
Date: 21 Dec 1996 21:54:01 GMT
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On 22 Sep 1996 17:33:48 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>> > Sure. First you give them water.
>
>> The water with the corpses floating in it?
> Gee, first you take the corpses out.
And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law. You heard it
here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is remove
the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.
And this is some of the best grasp of reality that is current among holohuggers.
Can anyone believe the complete ignorance of this holohugger?
>> > The water was available.
>
>> The only water available was in the river, which Kramer thought was polluted.
>> There indeed was not enough water in the camp to supply the thousands of ill
>people
>> jammed in there, which was not Kramer’s fault.
> The British restored water in hours. Kramer could not do it days.
You mean the British who connected the water station to one of their portable
generators?
>> > Second you give them food.Food was available. Kramer did not do this.
>> No. Most of these peole were ill with gastro-enteritis. Food aggravates this
>> condition. Also, the food was NOT available for these great numbers.
>
> The British managed to do it within hours.
We have been over that. Even a holohugger posted it. The Brits lost 40,000 to
disease in the first week of liberation.
>> > Medical help was available. Kramer did not do this.
>
>> Not true, The attempt was made. Even the British had problems saving lives,
>> and they were better epuipped than kramer by a long shot.
> No attempt was made. Kramer did not take even the most basic public
>health precautions.
You mean like keeping rotting corpses out of the river? Of course that does not
address all of the normal raw sewage in it. Or do you think the German EPA had
imposed sewage treatment plants on the country?
>> > Fourth you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing
>> > people. Kramer did not do this.
>
>> Where is the order that he told them to kill people? Also, some of these guards
>were
>> not under his direct command, having been sent there during the last few
>weeks of the
>> war.
> That is not the question. He was in command of the camp. He made
>no effort to stop what the men under his command were doing. They were killing
>inmates even as the liberators entered the camp.
To bad the “liberators” (who were there by negotiation of the camp’s early
surrender at Kramer’s instigation) did not report any such thing. Beyond that,
nice try.
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From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:27 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:35:46 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # You wouldn’t need to guide me, Mr. Power. I am quite
> # familiar with the Bible. And if this was the law which
> # Jesus said neither jot nor title would pass away, why
> # was circumcision done away with?
>
> Not because of Jesus. Wasn’t it Paul who did away with
> most of the Biblical laws, after Jesus died?
>
> As I recall from some reading I did on the history of
> Christianity, in the beginning everyone who wanted to become
> a Christian had to first convert to Judaism, and strictly
> follow Biblical law. Only then could he join the Christian
> sect (which, do not forget, was a sect within Judaism).
>
> Paul later did away with the Biblical laws; possibly, for
> purely pragmatic reasons.
>
> Who should be named the “father of Christianity”? Jesus or
> Paul? Serious comments are welcome; I think this is an
> interesting topic.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Jesus said: “I am the NEW and everlasitng covenant…”, and this
was not without symbolism on his part, when he stated “I am” (That I am).
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:28 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:25:24 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > I merely comment that the remarks are really insignificant
> > > > >and do not lend support to your claims that Jews were being gassed.
> > > >
> > > > Sour grapes.
> > >
> > > Or, considering the trck record of Mr. “pimple on a duck’s butt,”
> > > delusions of grandeur.
> > >
> > > > There’s so much hand waving going on here that I must take my leave.
> > >
> > > Indeed! Considering all the furious hand-waving by Mr. Belling, it might
> > > cause one to assume that a rodent crawled up his ass and died….
> >
> >
> > > Mark
> >
> >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Thanks for the ammuntion, Mark. Your name calling does serve a purpose
> > other than showing you to be a hateful asshole. I am keeping track of
> all of it.
>
> Oooh, I’m just quaking in my boots over that. It still doesn’t change the
> fact one iota that the only product of your “mental” activities are
> miasmic Nazi brain farts….
>
>>>>
You have a bizarre anal compulsion, Mark….at what age did it develop?
Did your mother ever tell you that you ate your own excrement as an infant?
There is something deeply Freudian in your neurotic compulsions and obcessions-rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:29 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:26:26 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>>>>
> >Thanks for the ammuntion, Mark. Your name calling does serve a purpose
> >other than showing you to be a hateful asshole. I am keeping track of all of it.
>
>
> And what did you just do? Don’t you see the hypocrisy of calling
> someone a name-caller and then doing it yourself in the same breath?
>
> Quite hilarious.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I also have saved references where you have called me names as well.
Not so hilarious now, is it?–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:29 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘There was no longer any escape’
Date: 24 Dec 1996 23:30:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Testimony of Hans-Heintz Schutt, SS-officer at Sobibor
> [Quoted in “‘The Good Old Days'” – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
> Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 240]
> ————————————————————-
> Getting the detainees into the gas chambers did not always proceed
> smoothly. The detainees would shout and weep and they often refused to
> get inside. The guards helped them on by violence. These guards were
> Ukrainian volunteers who were under the authority of members of
> the SS Kommando. Members of the SS held key positions in the camp, i.e.
> one SS man oversaw the unloading, a further SS man led the detainees
> into the reception camp, a further SS man was responsible for leading
> the detainees to the undressing area, a further SS man oversaw the
> confiscation of valuables and a further member of the Kommando had
> to drive the detainees into the so-called tube which led to the
> extermination camp. Once they were inside the so-called tube, which
> led them from the hut to the extermination camp, there was no longer
> any escape.
>
>>>>
The confession of Emanuel of Genoa:
Emanuel, son of the doctor Solomon of Genoa, testified to the martyrdom
of two Christian children after he had converted to Christianity. One of
these cases was reported second hand. He related how Master Simon
from Ancona, a doctor by profession, had beheaded a small child. The
child’s head was then dragged outside into the street by a dog. Officials
followed the blood-stains and discovered the child’s body in the doctor’s
house, lying in a tub. The doctor, however, escaped across the sea.
Another murder Emanuel testifies to witnessing personally in Saona, a
province of the Republic of Genoa. He stated:
My father led me into a house where eight Jews were assembled.
They took a sacred oath that they would rather suffer death or kill
themselves before they would confess to the deed they were going
to commit. After that they brought in a 2 year old christian child. One
of the conspirators held its right arm, another the left arm, and the third,
his head, so that he formed the shape of a cross. The fourth assassin
had a long, sharp, pointed needle or scalpel in his hand. With it he
stabbed the child from his stomach to his heart. he quickly pulled the
needle back and stabbed once more so that the blood began to flow
freely from the wounds into a basin beneath. This was repeated until
the child died. They then threw the child’s body into a secret chamber..
..” Emmanuel later made his full confession of having witnessed and
participated in this crime before the Master Garsias of Boamonn, Bishop
of Lucena, a notary pubic, and others. His story was reportedly confirmed
by documents preserved by the Franciscan monks.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:30 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer III
Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:29:01 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > On 24 Sep 1996 02:10:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> But that does not even come close to satisfying the basic point. The
> allegation that there was no potable water available is pure fabrication. The
> British took over the camp and supplied potable water using the equipment
> available. You can wiggle and squirm all you want. The only difference between
> the murderous Kramer and the British was that the British did not want to see
> innocent people die.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
I have to ask if you are so dense that you cannot read English, allegedly
being an attorney and all. What the testimony clearly states is that for the
first week, water was supplied to the camp by British field units, which traveled
with the british army. A week later, water was pumped it. However, it did need to
be filtered. There are some waters which you cannot simply boil and then ingest.
Obviously you haven’t done much camping–Belsen camping or otherwise.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:31 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 22 Dec 1996 10:02:01 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> Now, can you be honest enough to post, clearly and unambiguously, that
> you know of no instance in which camp staff were punished by Nazi
> authorities for mistreatment of Jews? Or will you continue your little
> wriggle to avoid the question and mislead readers of this newsgroup?
>
>>>>
Stop wiggling your behind and pull your knickers back up.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:54:15 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > # I already clarified this in a previous post. I did not
> > # have the article in front of me when I posted.
>
> > Oh, poor baby. Every time one of “rblackmore’s”
> > lies is exposed, he has some lame excuse.
>
> > “I did not have the article in front of me when
> > I posted”…
>
> > What a pathetic little liar this “rblackmore” is.
>
> Nor is he very imaginative. This was the same excuse he used when he
> posted that the placque at Auschwitz stated 4,000,000 “Jews” claiming that he had
> a picture which proved it.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Yale, your comments are as stale as your brain. You aren’t even a
challenge anymore.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:49:23 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> Apparently you command of English is fairly poor. The Poles called
> the Poles “Poles.” Clearly one of the reasons they inflated the figure was to
> maximize the appearance of Polish suffering. “Auschwitz without Jews” means
> exactly that.
>
> Nor is it a quibble. The fact is you lied and did so obnoxiously. And
> have been even more obnoxious about it since you lie was exposed.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Yale, you are full of it. In the book published by the same agency entitled
“German crimes in Poland” it is specifically stated that the Poles were NOT
part of those the Nazis allegedly tried to exterminate, but that they would have
been the next. Did you say you are a lawyer? Public defender? God save us.-rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:33 PST 1996
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Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:04:13 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] asks:
>
> # Why is Al Baron in jail?
>
> How do you know he’s in jail, BTW? From reading this
> newsgroup? Or did you hear about it from another source?
>
> Do you know Baron? I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He
> really, really, needs help.
>
> posted/e-mailed.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Look who’s talking….Mr. Necrophilia.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:33 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:58:54 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
She makes no secret of it. She beat them, and when she came on
> to Belsen can you doubt that she carried on in precisely the same way?
>
> Mike Curtis
>
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>
>>>>
And you maintain that a 21 year old girl deserved death for striking malingerers
and people who stole food portions from other inmates? Sad, even for you.-rb
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:56:58 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Tutu101) wrote:
>
> >I have already replied to Mr. Keren’s arguments in another post.–
>
> A typical rbalckmore copout.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
>
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>
>>>>
A typical curtis copout.
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>
nothing of interest
> ——————————————————————————–
>
>>>>
After the reading Kurt Stele just gave you, I’ll leave you alone….even I feel
sorry for you, Mark. Sad, really sad………rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher’s Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
>
> [end quote]
>
> So much for you objectivity, Mr. Bellinger!
>
>>>>
So much for your objectivity as well,
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:36 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Belling sees trap, dives in
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:18:23 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > [end quote]
> > >
> > >
> > > —
> > > Gord McFee
> > > I’ll write no line before its time
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Yawn. It’s getting old, Gord. It really is.–rb
>
> Not nearly as old as that dead rodent up your butt, Mr. Belling…..
>
> For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling’s increasingly irrelevant
> Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196
>
> Mark
>
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–
>
>>>>
Did you really crawl up there, Mark? Yuk.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 14:32:36 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:16:25 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
snip
>
>>>>
Those of us who have researched this issue for years know that many people
died in these camps due to epidemics and inclement conditions. It is not
enough to refer to remains which are consistent with these unfortunate casualties
and imply that they were murdered. You will need much more convincing evidence
for theat.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 16:18:16 PST 1996
Article: 88545 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Well, this will be easy. Miss Grese clearly testified that she had
> >never seen any “gas chambers” and was told of their existence
> >by rumors spread by the prisoners themselves.
>
> And that she correctly evaluated those “rumors” to be correct, and
> continued in her selections with that knowledge.
>
>>>>
Really? When did she tell you this?
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 20:35:33 PST 1996
Article: 88565 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 24 Dec 1996 23:03:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
>
>
>>>>
Dr. Keren just provided a court decision that
> blew your thesis to smithereens.
Comment: Don’t talk nonsense. One court case does not blow
my thesis to smithereens, except
maybe in the minds of those who are already grasping
at straws.–rb
Mr.Blackmore, if you wanted to whine about Jews all day,
> why didn’t you say so in the first place?
>
Comment: Why shouldn’t I whine about them? All you do is whine about the
evil germans day in and day out?–rb
Assuming your story is ture, a person commited a crime and his
> coreligionists derided him as the twisted freak that he was.
> I find nothing unusual about this at all.
Comment- That’s fine. And I will denounce nazi crimes when I see them, as I have
in the past.–rb
Might as well blame all catholics for the heavily publicised
> cases of priests molesting children–
Comment–It’s not always priests….what did I read about a rabbi and his
assosicate on a plane recently? You know the case, I am sure…..rb
>
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 20:35:34 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi’s “handle”
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Did I exchange rhymes? where are the others? Am I a member of the NSWPP or
> >any other right wing organization? No. Don’t you have any shame for all your lies,
> >gross distortions, and slanders? Of course you don’t. is that how your mother raised
> >you to be?–rb
>
> You’re quite right, Joe. Van Alstine should be ashamed of himself.
> All we have is evidence that *you* are an antisemite–we shouldn’t
> slander the leader of the National Socialist White People’s Party.
>
>>>>
That’s fine. Now send him a note of public apology.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 20:35:34 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> >Of course. however, all of this will have to wait until I locate all the
> available
> >> >research material.
> >>
> >> Oh, we’re back to this bullshit. I’m afraid that at this point no one
> >> takes your months-long promises in this regard seriously. Still lying.
> >>
> >I always have a suspicion of people who claim to speak for everyone.
> >They have bizarre complexes.–rb
>
> OK, Joe, let’s check: Will all those who believe in Belling’s efforts to
> “locate all the available research material” post a brief message to that
> effect? I’d like to see how badly I’m deluding myself.
>
> (Oh, and when are you going to get around to explaining why you kept
> posting excerpts from the book of someone whom you first presented as
> blaming Katyn on the Nazis? Why did you consider anything else from
> his book to be trustworthy?)
>
> (And why did you label John Sack’s book “100% accurate” when you
> considered his narrative of Nazi cruelties in the first chapter to
> be chock-full of lies?)
>
>>>>
Why are you acting like Raj gandhi? That question was already answered.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 20:35:35 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer’s Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # As I said many times over, I am not anti-Semitic.
>
> Perhaps Mr. McFee will post, yet again, the revolting
> antisemitic “poem” that “rblackmore” sent to a Nazi
> mailing list? Oh, yes, “rblackmore” said it was “just
> a joke”, right? The “poem” which ended like this:
>
> “Izzy gets a sentimental feeling every year
> Everyone can hear him holler
> ‘Deck my tree with silver dollars’
>
> Rockin around the Hannukah bush
> Izzy’s tribe is here to stay
> Ripping dumb old Goyim off
> In that good old Jewish way”
>
> You posted this “poem” to a Nazi mailing list,
> of which you’re a member, right? You don’t deny
> this. You just say it was a “joke”, right?
>
> For God’s sake, you miserable little Nazi swine…
> who do you think you’re fooling? I find your
> cowardice almost as revolting as your opinions.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
You are a strange one to speak of cowardice. You are a sick little man, Dan.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 20:35:36 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
Indeed, my mind is still not made up. I have a number of theories I am
entertaining as to what may have happened, but I am fairly well convinced
that mass gassings of women and children etc., never had the official
sanction of the German Government. –rb>
Stop the printings. Mr. Whoever, has admitted that there “mass
gassings of women and children etc.,” but he does qualify this
admission. He doesn’t think it was at the sanction of the German
government. So this individual is back to being a functionalist.
SAVE this paragraph!
Don’t bother. First we must establish if there were mass gassings, and then the reason
for it and how it came to happen–if it happened. I mention I have a number of
theories, but they are just speculation and theories at this point. I do not claim that
there actually were mass gassings–especially of women and children.–rb
This is an aspect of some deniers introductions and personas
to a forum or newsgroup. They play the intellectual innocent. You did
this. Then, like a prior persona, you tried to reach various members
via email to conduct “serious” discussions. I found that, like a
previous persona, this action appeared to be more of a fishing
expedition for save topics and ground. I also found that when things
were presented to your email self you would thank the party and
continue on in blissful ignorance. The email persona was not the
newsgroup persona for it appeared that nothing was really learned or
accepted.
Well, this was also the behavior of your colleagues–and, indeed, I had nor
have any animosities toward any of you.
Which behaviour are you specifying?
Don’t play coy.–rb
It is not in my nature to hate.
Then why did you post that poem and join forces with one who has an
violently obvious hate? I speak of the Texan going by the name “Doc
Tavish?”
Join forces? What do you mean by that? By the way, I never posted the
poem–Mr. Covington did. I have already explained the particulars.–rb
I
always responded politely to your emails before you and your colleagues
began with the insults.
Email is NOT a subject for this group. What goes on in email is not
what is going on in here. This is also why I told you that I will NOT
discuss things about the subject of this group via email unless the
was on that matter.
So you did.–rb
I believe it was Mark van Alstine and Chuck Feree
who threw down the gauntlet first. But that shouldn’t surprise you…but if
they want to dish it out, they will have to take it as well.–rb
This is a matter between yourself and them. I cannot control what they
do. This discussion stemmed from an issue that was defined very
narrowly. The matter concerned _my_ disappointment in _you_. It does
not concern how I feel about Mr. Feree or Mr. van Alstine.
How DO you feel about them and their tactics, then? I never hear you criticize them.–rb
Your claims as to your intentions and preference to keep to the high
road have been obviously not kept on this board. You are easily
triggered and you do not seem to now this.
Yes, I am easily triggered when I am referred to as “Nazi boy” “scum-bag”
“liar” and God knows what else.–rb
Poor dear. I have gotten called names also and yet, I feel, I rarely
return tit-for-tat. There are far more important matter than what
insignificant fools think of me.
I would agree with this in principle.–rb
You have made claims of an
education in the field of history and yet you do not display this
training at all.
Mike–I received straight A’s in my history classes. You challenge my
knowledge and training simply because I do not agree with many of your claims.-rb
LOL! Whoopie! Straight A’s in “history classes.” It doesn’t matter
much, but so have I. What fascinates me is your lack of historical
understanding and how to use source material. Your methods are not
those of a serious scholar. You rarely support your opinions with
substantiation and you rarely succeed in supporting them when offering
citations because you rarely offer proper citations. Let’s just say
that I think you didn’t gather what you should have in your straight A
history classes. At the Graduate level you should have received a bit
> of training in source analysis. You probably would have read several
> books on the same and had to analyze the differences in scholarship
> and the use of source material in the required works. It is clear that
> you missed something along the way. These are my impressions and not
> meant to be held by all members of this group.
Well, that is your opinion. I can say the same about you with justification.
What you object to is my selection and interpretation of materials.–rb
>
> >You are clumsy with your sources and distort them to
> > fit your own perceptions rather than let the chips fall where they
> > may.
> >
> >Indeed I do not Mike. I simply try to view them as unprejudiced as possible and call
> >a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may.–rb
> >
>
> This may be how you feel. Yet I do not see this unprejudiced approach
> at all. Your work with _The Good Old Days_ and the methods of
> distortion and faulty interpretations is readily observed by all. The
> responses you received on those posting remained unanswered by one of
> your personas so I feel that they made their point.
I was having serious problems with my server and could not access for days.
I would be happy to readdress anything you feel mught be pertinent.–rb
>
> > Doubtful sources do not require twisting or distortions to be
> > seen as doubtful with the proper substantiation. This substantiation
> > is rarely provided in a satisfactory manner.
> >
> >What you call “twisting” and “distorting” is simply use of logic and reason
> >when examining documents and confessions.–rb
> >
> > You claimed to not be an anti-Semite and yet posted to a mail group an
> > anti-Semitic poem.
Nope, I responded to what I thought was an email request.-rb
Though I subscribe to certain lists and groups with
> > which I do not agree with the concepts presented, I am not
> >> hypocritical enough to join them in their presentations. This applies
> >> to whatever the subject of the group is. To even consider such a
> >> posting and actually setting it to the keyboard without a disclaimer
> >> of some sort is suggestive of the intent and attitudes of the poster.
> >
> >
> >I will say this again: I am not an anti-Semite.
>
> Then do not do the stuff that anti-Semites do. Why you are posting to
> certain lists is beyond me, but you are posting material that supports
> their points of view. Do not feed those who you do not wish to be
> assocoated with.
No, I do not, but I see nothing wrong in posting material or answering email, unless
people become personally abusive to me.–rb
>
> > I number many jewish people
> >among my acquaintances and friends. My home is open to all people of good
> >will, regardless of race, creed, or color. Them’s the facts. I know it is difficult
> >for you to understand, but what can I say?
>
> So is this meant to be attack on what I think of you? I don’t beleive
> I have said anything about who visits your house. I have not said
> anything about who your friends are. What I have said concerns the
> impressions gained from what you write and with whom you associate
> with on this and other groups.
>
> > You and your colleagues can twist
> >and turn this issue anywhich way you can, yet it will not change reality or the
> >facts. I am not a hater. –rb
> >
>
> So you claim. The particular ditty you posted is rather loud in what
> it suggests nevertheless. You have shown no remorse in presenting it.
> Your apparent admiration of Kramer, Klein and Grese is another aspect
> of interest when it comes to your on-line character.
The ditty was satire. Don’t take it personally. I have never written that I admire
Kramer, Klein, or Grese. What I did was attempt to give them a fair hearing where
they never received one 50 years ago, and I will continue in this unil the Holocaust
may be examined with objectivity.–rb
>
> >> So, I am disappointed and have further lowered my estimation of your
> >> character accordingly.
> >
> >It doesn’t take much in this atmosphere. Look hard enough and you will
> >find a justification for everything.–rb
> >
>
> It is here in black and white.
>
> >> But, sir, this is a personal estimation. I’ll
> >> do nothing to suggest that my estimation should be shared with others
> >> for they can and will form their own impressions. Some of them are not
> >> fearful in being honest when they address you concerning their
> >> feeelings about you.
> >
> >Nor are they polite.–rb
> >
>
>
> unto you.
>
> > This is unfortunate because the readers of the
> >> group will probably have the same view as they without the prodding.
> >
> >Let’s just leave that to the readers of the group, shall we?–rb
>
> You asked about _me_ and I provided you with the requested information
> concerning my views.
>
> >>
> >> It is the holiday season so Happy Holidays.
> >
> >Happy Holidays and a Peaceful, healthy, and prosperous New Year to you and
> >yours–rb
> >
> >
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) writes:
> >
> > snip
> > >
> > >>>>
> > How many times in history was the talmud ordered confiscated and
> > burned by authorities throughout the world and why would they do that?
>
> How many priests did the Nazi murder and why did they do _that?_ –MVA
On the afternoon of february 5th, 1840, the Capuchin priest Thomas was sent for to attend to a sick child. The priest was a great
healer and a physician. He was respected and loved as a saint. On his way back from the child he was invited by his friend, the
rich Jew David Arari, to come to his home. Father Thomas accepted. When he arrived, the Jews immediately attacked, gagged,
and bound him up. They then dragged him into a secret room, and sent for the jewish barber Soliman. The Priest was laid on a
table and his head was held over a copper bowl. The barber seized the old priest by the beard, Aaron Arari held his head, and his
brother, David Arari slit his throat. The blood was collected in the copper bowl and filled into bottles……After this, all the Jews who
took part in the murder were arrested and three of them confessed to the crime in detail…..One was a Rabbi. he confessed that he
himslef had carried the blood that had been collected in bottles to the Grand rabbi Yakoub el-Antabi/ After a thorough investigation
the three Jews who confessed were pardoned. Ten others who took part in the murder were sentenced to death.–rb
From [email protected] Wed Dec 25 21:12:26 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >How can I “lie” about placques which have been photographed by news
> >and press agencies for posterity? Silly person.
>
> You must be a silly person indeed to repeat what you have already,
> in prior posts, conceded was not the truth. But you do so. Not only
> a liar, but an idiot liar.
>
>
>>>>
Do you have any idea what you are babbling about?
From [email protected] Thu Dec 26 09:02:46 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer II
Date: 23 Dec 1996 21:08:36 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >>Well, you have answered your own question. He asked and was refused.
> >>He couldn’t very well bake the loaves himself. He did whatever he could, and
> >>that is all one can expect from any human being.
> >
> > I would agree that he did some things, but there are other things he
> >could and should have tried – most noticeably with regard to the water
> >situation.
> >
> > As we discussed earlier, I think on what I have seen so far of what he
> >did at Belsen – I am not as up on it as other matters – and ignoring
> >anything which happened anywhere other than Belsen, at this time I would
> >find for negligent homicide but reasonable doubt as to wilful murder.
> >
>
> For once, Mike, consider that there were TWO charges at the _Belsen_
> trial and one involved Auschwitz where Klein was the commanding
> officer at Birkenau!
>
> Yes, you are not up on these matters at all. Mr. Stein.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I would think Mr. Stein is aware of the difference, Mr. Curtis. We were talking
about Belsen.–rb
From [email protected] Thu Dec 26 09:02:47 PST 1996
Article: 88814 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # No, Dan. her testimony says that she participated in
> # selections, but she had no personal knowledge that such
> # people were being gassed.
>
> If you’re going to lie, don’t post lies which are very
> easy to refute. I told you already: I have the book, and
> I can check what you post.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Check whatever you like. I don’t need to lie when the truth is so much
more convenient.–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 02:14:56 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:29:48 GMT
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> d.A. wrote:
>
> In fact the reader of this guide-book who is looking for a single
> location where there is mention of 4 million Jewish victims
> will be sorely disappointed.
>
> “rblackmore” asked:
>
> Disappointed?–rb
>
>
> d.A. quotes from p. 558 of The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary
> (Vol. I) (1982):
>
> “Disappointed 1. Having one’s expectations frustrated; foiled,
> thwarted.”
>
> Hence, yes, disappointed.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Stop fiddling around and tell the truth for probably the first time in your life.
Don’t play games with people. they won’t like it. people don’t like to be played
for fools. The overwhelming majority of inmates at Auschwitz were jews. Other
nationalities perhaps comprised 10 % of the total inmate population, whether your
book explicitly states so or not.==rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:35 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # Victims? Roll call was to establish how many people
> # were present.
>
> Mr. “rblackmore” seems to forget, yet again, that his
> beloved Irma Grese (last seen dangling from a rope
> in Germany), had testified that roll calls were also
> held to select victims who were to be murdered in the
> gas chambers. He also “forgot” that she said one of
> her jobs in Auschwitz-Birkenau was to chase the
> victims who tried to escape from these roll calls,
> bring them back, and beat them up.
>
> But, really, I don’t think he “forgot” that. I think
> he knows this very well. And that this is what makes
> him love and admire Irma Grese so much.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Well, this will be easy. Miss Grese clearly testified that she had
never seen any “gas chambers” and was told of their existence
by rumors spread by the prisoners themselves. More of your nonsense
easily refuted. Good-by, Gracie.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Ode to Alt. Revisionism
Date: 23 Dec 1996 20:20:32 GMT
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We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Learning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dired voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry glass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar——–T.S. Eliot
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:37 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer II
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[email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
Michael P. Stein
As we discussed earlier, I think on what I have seen so far of what he
did at Belsen – I am not as up on it as other matters – and ignoring
anything which happened anywhere other than Belsen, at this time I would
find for negligent homicide but reasonable doubt as to wilful murder.
I would disagree, but only because the sick and starving
inmates were forced to work, killing them off in scores
Brian–for the upteenth time–the sick were not forced to work–even at
Belsen.–rb
Kremer would be hard pressed to demonstrate that he
did not know that the sick and starving were forced into
labor, and as commandant of the camp it would have
been his responsibility to know.
Was he convicted only for the conditions at Bergen-Belsen,
or for Birkenau as well?
Birkenau.–rb
> [Before taking the commandant’s position at Belsen, he was
> in charge of the Birkenau section of Auschwitz. ]
Well, Mr. Stein already posted the explanation that he based his opinion
on Belsen and not on any other situation,–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:38 PST 1996
Article: 89012 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: “Let her lie, why do you care?”
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In a discussion concerning the guilt or innocence of Kramer, former
commandant of Belsen, Danny Keren referred to unsupported statements
attributed to the ex-commandant by former camp Aufseherin Herta Ehlert,
a petty thief and bully. Ehlert swore that Kramer had said of the inmates
at Belsen: “Let them die, why should you care?” I responded by saying that
I did not believe her, and posted a few reasons why I didn’t. Danny, of course,
scoffed at these remarks. The gist of my argument was that it appeared that
Ehlert, who had been arrested and charged with crimes, did what is usually
done by subordinates-cast the guilt and responsibility on to her superiors, in
this case, Kramer. Kramer denied having uttered these words on the witness
stand. I believe him, based upon the evidence which I researched, proving
that Kramer did everything he could to improve conditions within the camp. Indeed,
if people like Keren and others insist on placing responsibility squarely onto the
shoulders of Kramer, their opinions are negated by the evidence in his favor. Besides
the documents which support Kramer’s claims, we also have the fact of the children’s
camp at Belsen. The children were found to be in “fairly good health” by the British
authorities. The reasons why? The children were segregated from the main camp. Why?
Because the main camp was where the epidemics had spread. The person responsible for
keeping the children away from the adult section was KRAMER. If women sacrificed them-
selves in order to procure higher food rations for the children, then this is also a major factor-
but, food notwithstanding-if Kramer had placed the children into the adult compounds,
they would have perished. Now, as to Ehlert, let us briefly examine how credible she is:
Herta Ehlert was referred to the SS for work duty in 1939, She served at Ravensbrueck,
Lublin, and Auschwitz before being transferred to Belsen in 1945.
Now, sometime during the day or night of June 11, 1945, Ehlert was interrogated by the
British. At her trial she contested written statements which she had originally given to her
interrogators, stating that they were not correct. For instance:
Q: Have you received a German translation of the statement you made on the
11th June, 1945, at Celle?
A: Yes, but it is not a correct version of what I originally said.
Where have we heard this before? It seems as though the interrogators were,
as I previously posted, simplying interested in accumulating all the sensationalistic
statements as possible to use against the accused. For instance, in the same
“deposition” referred to above, it was alleged that Ehlert witnessed a staff member
“kicking” an inmate. When questioned about this at the trial, Ehlert said:
“I never said that he was kicking her.”
The British also included a statment that Ehlert had heard Kramer giving orders to
another staff member to beat the women. When asked about this on the witness
stand, Ehlert replied:
“I do not know. I have seen Kramer speaking to Kasainitzky, but whether he gave
this order, I cannot say.”
So, the British interrogators somehow transformed Kramer speaking to someone into
an imagined scene where he is giving orders to “beat women”.
And so on and so forth. When asked:
“How did you find the conditions when you arrived at Belsen?”, she replied:
“The conditions were the worst I ever saw in a camp. They became worse as time
went on.”
Thus, her opinion is in agreement with Kramer, who had been virtually duped into
accepting the assignment there. Also in agreement were Pohl and Hoess, who later
toured the camp at the urgent request of Kramer. Both of these men also indicated that
there was nothing they could do for him.
Now, we have all read much about the conditions of this camp, and it is noteworthy to
mention the date when Ehlert first arrived for duty: February, 1945! Therefore,
just 2 months after Kramer, and ONE month before liberation! A period when conditions
in the camp were at their worst!
Now, as to my incessant postings that allied bombing sorties helped to contribute to the
horrifying conditions in the camp, we find confirmation in the following exchange:
Q: Did you try to do anything yourself to help?
A: …I went to Unterscharfuehrer Mueller, who was in charge of …(the)…store, and he told me
that all the train wagons were SMASHED BY BOMBING and he could not do anything about
it. At that moment I happened to meet Kramer, told him about it and said that the death rate
was increasing, and that the prisoners could not keep alive on this thin soup. He made the
Kommandos from the prisoners collect potatoes and mash them, and those mashed potatoes
were mixed with the soup….”
Now, to Keren’s beloved quote:
“In March I saw Dr. Horstmann. The weather had become a bit warmer and I was rather
anxious about the open latrines, because I thought it might cause an epedemic (!), and he
said he could not do anything about it because he had no means of disinfection and could
only give me one sack with chalk for this purpose. The third time I returned to the camp
I did not feel very well, because of the horrible smell, and on meeting Kramer I talked to him
about it and he said: “Let them die; we cannot do anything about it; my hands are tied.”
So these are the circumstances under which Ehlert claims Kramer uttered the words attributed
to him. Take it for what it is worth. If we compare this alleged statement with the written formal
plea for help Kramer sent on to his superiors, Ehlert’s assertions simply do not appear credible.
If we may return briefly to her alleged “confessions and statements” again, we read the
following:
Q: In your statement to Colonel Genn which was read over to you in German and which
you swore to as true, you said in paragraph 10, “I have heard that Ilse Forster and Frieda
Walter used to beat interness to a quite unreasonable extent.”
(Now, notice the method used by the interrogators. He uses such terms as “I have heard”…
etc.) And if she had heard, she would have to have heard form 2nd or 3rd hand sources. Now, for
Ehlert’s reply:
A: It must be that the interpreter did not understand.
Indeed, perhaps it was his intention to deliberately not understand.
In a similar vein:
Q: Did you not say to Colonel Genn that you saw him (Kramer) kicking and shaking
her, and later hit her with a stick on her head and face and all over her body quite
unmercifully?”
A: No.
Well, it seems that Colonel Genn had quite an imagination.
Perhaps he “misinterpreted”?
Only a couple more examples ought to suffice to formally conclude this debate:
Q: Was it not a favorite trick of the SS to make one lot of prisoners beat another?
A: No. They were very often FIGHTING AMONGST EACH OTHER.
Q: When you made your statement to Colonel Genn, who questioned you?
A: An interpreter who gave the Colonel my replies in English.
(I would LOVE to track this person down today)
Q: When it was read (Back to you), did you notice if anything was wrong and which
did not agree with what you had said?
A: No. I received the impression that it was what I had said.
Hmmm, a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum………
Finally, and this is the one I love the best:
Q: Do you remember saying to Colonel Genn: “I say that Kramer was responsible for
the conditions. Among other reasons, (Which are conveniently NEVER given) because
on ONE occasion, when I complained of the increasing death rate to Kramer, he replied,
“Let them die. Why should you care?”
A: Yes.
Q: And I put it to you that you took his advice.
A: What could one individual person like me do with so many thousands of prisoners?
The same could well be asked of Kramer…………………………..
Source: The Belsen Trial, pg. 227-242.
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:38 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >
> >
> >>
> >Did I mention the “wascally Jews”? And I only hold Nizkook responsible
> >for their own abysmal ignorance.–rb
> >>
>
> I’m confused. I thought you agreed to put all the name calling aside?
>
> Get yourself a service that allows you to compose off-line. Then you
> can put all this stuff in one post. I wish Moran would do this also
> for he seems to post something then reflect on it. Then he replies to
> himself. Geez.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Yes, I agreed to put it aside when others do. Those who continue
to utilize name-calling will be treated in like fashion.–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:39 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:43:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> ## In
> ##
> ## https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/
> ## Bormann.jpg
> ##
> ## There’s the photo of another of the SS-women from Auschwitz,
> ## Juana Bormann.
>
> # Right, Dan….And I suppose the photos were taken at a
> # Hollywood Glamour Studio and the ladies were attended to by
> # beauticians before the photos you posted were taken……..
>
> What’s your problem? You think SS-woman Juana Bormann was ugly?
> You think this is why I posted her photograph?
>
> # Would you like me to start scanning and posting photos of Jewish
> # people from the pages of the Stuermer? Continue with this little
> # game and I will do it–rb
>
> You’re trying to scare me, nazi-boy, or what?
Does this scare you, Dan?–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:40 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 24 Dec 1996 23:25:45 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>>>>
>> And that she correctly evaluated those “rumors” to be correct, and
> >> continued in her selections with that knowledge.
> >>
Comment: Your explanation is weak. How could she evaluate these rumors to
have been correct without any evidence? Impossible, and I am surprised that
you attempt to use this poor example as evidence.–rb
> [I will make a comment here and now and again to make clear what has
> been going on prior to her testimony. She does not deny the slection
> parades as defined by the court. She is familiar with the various
> parades. some of these are calls to select work parties. Some were
> roll calles or Appelle. Some were attended only by Jews and these were
> the special treatment parades. Non-Jews did not form up for these
> particular parades. So follows the next question.]
This is your interpretation.–rb
> If anyone at all sees the word rumor, please let me know. The final
> statement is pretty straight forward. She knew people were being
> gassed.
You are stuck with the rumor, Mike, as she testified explicitly to this in
previous testimony. there is NO way she could have been sure that
people were being gassed. It is ridiculous to even think so, as she was
never told of these chambers by either superiors or subordinates. She never
saw them. She didn’t have a clue, except by listening to the rumors started by
prisoners. And if she didn’t take part in selections–I suppose they would have
stopped. Then there is the question of ‘when did she realize that people were
being gassed? At what point? And so on and so forth…better to stick with the
truth–it is easier.–rb
[I must comment here to aid the weary “revisionists” in understanding
> the fine points of this testimony. She doesn’t say “What gas chamber?”
> She doesn’t ask what Mr. Backhouse means. In fact she didn’t ask what
> her own defense council meant by the terms he uses. She also used the
> S.B. term above. It seems that even a lowly Aufseherin knew what
> Sonder Behandlung was.]
Comment: Again, this is your interpretation. People also confessed to ritual murder and
kissing the devil’s ass and conjuring up imps. We are left with what is reasonable, and
what is reasonable is that she never saw any gas chambers and heard of them only
through rumor mongers.–rb
[I must comment here to aid the weary “revisionists” in understanding
> the fine points of this testimony. She doesn’t say “What gas chamber?”
> She doesn’t ask what Mr. Backhouse means. In fact she didn’t ask what
> her own defense council meant by the terms he uses. She also used the
> S.B. term above. It seems that even a lowly Aufseherin knew what
> Sonder Behandlung was.]
Comment–Sorry to disillusion you, but Kramer did most certainly deny the gas chamber
story in his first statement. Only after he had been in the hands of professional interrogators
for a while did he admit to their existence. And his alleged reason for now admiting them was
ridiculous.–rb
>
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:40 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:38:15 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
> >Paul was not. But Paul also had quite a few hang-ups about sex, didn’t he?
>
> Why not? Tradition has it he was about 5 foot tall and ugly as a
> mud fence. He probably was never laid in his life.
>
>
> posted/emailed
>
>
>
>>>>
I believe Paul had been married–to what, I don’t know.–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:41 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> Could I ask the relevance of that quote to the debate in alt.revisionism? Dr.
> Keren’s quote from the SS Court’s verdict is relevant because it uses the
> expression “the Jews have to be exterminated” and as such, can be seen as an
> indication that the SS knew the extermination was being undertaken. The
> ritual murder quote is in no way relevant that I can think of, because it
> pre-dates the Holocaust by about 55 years, and all serious historians that I
> am aware of discount those stories as inventions.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Well, you say that all historians count these alleged cases of ritual murder as
inventions, fabrications, etc…..Maybe the day will soon approach when historians
will do the same with many of the holocaust tales as well…and that is my point and
why i think these posts are VERY relevant…rb
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 23:53:12 GMT writes:
> :>
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>Well, this will be easy. Miss Grese clearly testified that she had
> :>never seen any “gas chambers” and was told of their existence
> :>by rumors spread by the prisoners themselves. More of your nonsense
> :>easily refuted. Good-by, Gracie.–rb
>
> Miss Grese also testified that *everyone* in the camp, presumably including
> her, knew that Sonderbehandlung (special action) meant gassing. Eichmann said
> the same thing in his interrogations, and I doubt he ever heard of Fraeulein
> Grese. Isn’t that a bit coincidental?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I don’t know what you mean by significance. i for one find it odd that
all the camp could “know: that SB meant gassing yet none of them had
ever been told of gas chambers by their superiors or subordinates and none
of them had actually seen the infamous chambers themselves, though alleged
suriviors–men and women, all claimed to have seen them and much more. I have
no reason to disbelieve Miss Grese, as I found no damaging contradictions in her
testimony, as I did with many of the “survivors”. i think my post “Juana Bormann and
her Big Bad Wolf” explains it much better. As to SB it could mean a number of things–
execution was one of them–but so was preferred treatment. it could hardly have been
left to the individual to determine which standard would apply.–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:43 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : No, Mr. Anderson-I never regarded this speech as particularly significant.
>
> Sorry, Mr. Belling–I’m just going by what you said.
>
> : My contention is that an attempt is being made to read more into it than
> : is actually suggested. Himmler’s words, if accurate, are no more inciting
> : than those of Ilya Ehrenburg or Henry Morgenthau.
>
> The point is not that Himmler’s words are “inciting,” Mr. Belling.
> The point is that Himmler’s words are an open admission of the Nazi
> extermination policy.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Himmler did not set policy. And if it was indeed the policy, why is it that
so many Generals and officers had NO idea what he was even talking about?
Himmler, as you may know, in a meeting with a Jewish Representative, Masur,
in 1945, explicitly stated that extermination was NOT the policy. Himmler also stated to
Hans Lammers that the only people being executed were insurgents and partisans,–rb
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:44 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer III
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:12:38 GMT
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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
>
>>>>
> The british found the water in the river to be potable
> and supplied the camp with it using the camp’s own equipment.
> [that they first supplied the camp by any other means
> is not important, as they may not have known about the
> pumping equipment until some time after they initially
> arrived.]
> Nothing prevented the camp staff from doing the same
> thing many months before the camp was liberated by
> the british.
Comment: The camp was not without water for months.
Perhaps Kramer and his staff simply were incompetent when
it came to engineering and so forth, and that is why he hurried
the process of turning the camp over to the British. he had a
catastrophe on his hands and he knew it.–rb
Unless, of course, you can provide a single shred
> of evidence that the river water had to be _filtered_
> before it was potable, and that the nazis did not
> have these filters you talk about.
Comment: I do not believe proof is necessary here. We cannot
travel back in time. One could perhaps attempt to locate information
on the river which ran near the camp and then attempt to find out if
this water is indeed potable today without any need for filtering. I think
that the answer is a foregone conclusion, however.–rb
Since Mr. Giwer did not produce any documentatin
> for his ‘filtering’ claims either, i suspect he made
> it up.
>
> So, what about these mythical filters, mr. Blackmore?
I believ mr. Giwer was using good old common sense when he posted
his reply. I happen to agree with him. Read a few manuals on camping
and water filtering and purification. Perhaps you can find a few old or
recent army field manuals. they should provide you with all the info you
seek.–rb
>
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 11:37:44 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> writes:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 07:48:17 -0500, [email protected] (Sara
> aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>
>
> >In all honesty, I believe Paul is really the father of Christianity. There
> >are many suppositions about the ways in which Paul “changed” Jesus’
> >message. Before Paul, there were any number of Christian sects, all of whom
> >believed they were following the teachings of Jesus. Many of them practiced
> >”free love” and group marriages, because they believed that was what Jesus
> >meant when he talked about loving your fellows. Were they correct? Well,
> >they were certainly around to have heard Jesus preach in person.
Those who practiced “free love” were Gnostic heretics. What was the
advice Jesus gave about living like eunuchs? Also, did he not say that
“He who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery
with her in his heart.?” Hardly supports your interpretation–rb
>
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 13:25:14 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 24 Dec 1996 22:31:04 GMT
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>
> d.A. writes:
>
> In Room 1 of Block 4 there was an urn. “The urn with a handful of ashes,
> collected in the Birkenau terrain, commemorates ‘4 million of those’
> who had perishhed there.”
>
> “rblackmore” asks:
>
> Yes, and these alleged four million were what–Eskimoes? Are you so
> dense?
>
>
>
> d.A. answers:
>
> These four millions were claimed to be people, explicitly,
> “victims of Fascism”. I am unaware of any Eskimos who were
> in any of the camps in the Auschwitz complex. Certainly
> none are listed there. Do you have any sources for this?
>
> Since I float when I enter water deep enough, I would guess
> that my density is roughly that of water. Is that “so dense”?
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
No, how many of these four million ashes were Jews? 1.5 million?
If so, demonstrate by way of proof that the remainder were non-Jews
and how they came to be there,.
From [email protected] Fri Dec 27 13:25:14 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> “rblackmore” wrote:
>
I deleted everything you wrote because you are merely tap
dancing and you know very well that the figure referred to
Jews, as they were the overwhelming majority of inmates
at Auschwitz. When you mention Hungarians, what you
mean is 3-400,000 Hungarian jews, when you mention the Dutch,
what is meant is Dutch Jews—perhaps 1% of these nationalities
were at Auschwitz in comaprison to the Jews deported there. Cut
the games.–rb
From [email protected] Sun Dec 29 07:33:39 PST 1996
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* [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
* Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Heinrich Matthes about Treblinka
> [Quoted in “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard
> Death Camps”, Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 121]
> ——————————————————————
> During the entire time I was in Treblinka, I served in the upper camp.
> The upper camp was that part of Treblinka with the gas chambers,
> where the Jews were killed and their corpses laid in large pits and
> later burned.
>
> About fourteen Germans carried out services in the upper camp. There
> were two Ukrainians permanently in the upper camp. One of them was
> called Nikolai, the other was a short man, I don’t remember his name…
> These two Ukrainians who lived in the upper camp served in the gas
> chambers. They also took care of the engine room when Fritz Schmidt
> was absent. Usually this Schmidt was in charge of the engine room. In
> my opinion, as a civilian he was either a mechanic or a driver…
>
> All together, six gas chambers were active. According to my estimate,
> about 300 people could enter each gas chamber. The people went into
> the gas chamber without resistance. Those who were at the end, the
> Ukrainian guards had to push inside. I personally saw how the
> Ukrainians pushed the people with their rifle butts…
>
> The gas chambers were closed for about thirty minutes. Then Schmidt
> stopped the gassing, and the two Ukrainians who were in the engine
> room opened the gas chambers from the other side.
>
>>>>
The confession of Emanuel of Genoa:
Emanuel, son of the doctor Solomon of Genoa, testified to the
martyrdom of two Christian children after he had converted to
Christianity. One of these cases was reported second hand.
He related how Master Simon from Ancona, a doctor by
profession, had beheaded a small child. The child’s head
was then dragged outside into the street by a dog. Officials
followed the blood-stains and discovered the child’s body in
the doctor’s house, lying in a tub. The doctor, however, escaped
across the sea.
Another murder Emanuel testifies to witnessing personally in
Saona, a province of the Republic of Genoa. He stated:
My father led me into a house where eight Jews were assembled.
They took a sacred oath that they would rather suffer death or
kill themselves before they would confess to the deed they were
going to commit. After that they brought in a 2 year old christian
child. One of the conspirators held its right arm, another the left
arm, and the third, his head, so that he formed the shape of a cross.
The fourth assassin had a long, sharp, pointed needle or scalpel in
his hand. With it he stabbed the child from his stomach to his heart.
he quickly pulled the needle back and stabbed once more so that
the blood began to flow freely from the wounds into a basin beneath.
This was repeated until the child died. They then threw the child’s
body into a secret chamber….” Emmanuel later made his full confession
of having witnessed and participated in this crime before the Master
Garsias of Boamonn, Bishop of Lucena, a notary pubic, and others.
His story was reportedly confirmed by documents preserved by the
Franciscan monks.
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[email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
My ISP seems to have eaten the original post I sent, so here it is again.
Sara
********BEGIN QUOTE*********
Korherr’s job was complicated by the fact that, even in a report designed
for Himmler, he was not supposed to spell out the facts in black and white.
happened to the others. To be sure, Korherr could state that that through
various means the Jewish population in the Reich and the Government General
had diminished by 3.1 million between 1933 and 1942. In spite of his
generous use of the term “evacuation,” however, which Himmler seconded. to
mislead those who would read the document in later years. Himmler had to
correct Korherr’s wording in one place. Where Korherr had written of the
“special treatment” of the Jews, Himmler insisted on either the
“transportation of the Jews from the Eastern provinces to the Russian East”
or the “sifting of the Jews through the camps.” These were among the
officially approved terms to camouflage the realities of the Final
Solution. (49)
On at least one occasion Himmler violated his own rule. In October 1943
Himmler delivered a long speech at a meeting of the SS-Gruppenfuehrer at
Posen. As usual, he spoke from notes, but he had begun the practice of
recording some of his talks on a red oxide tape wider than what is used
today. Early in the speech Himmler stopped and played the tape back to see
if the recorder was picking up his voice properly. (50) He unquestionably
knew that he was being recorded, but he was speaking to a very select
audience, and he didn’t think that there was any danger of the recording
falling into the wrong hands. Even in the fall of 1943 Himmler was
convinced that Nazi Germany would eventually win the war — it was a law of
nature, he said. (51)
His voice was of middle range — neither deep nor high-pitched. He spoke
clearly, deliberately, and emphatically, but for the most part
dispassionately, much like a schoolmaster reviewing a long and somewhat
complicated lesson for his pupils. At one point he actually talked about
giving out a grade if he had to judge a certain performance. (52)
Himmler reviewed the military situation and the political situation on each
front, but, as always, his analysis was colored and rendered useless by his
racial judgments. In spite of Russia’s successes, Slavs were incapable of
constructing anything themselves, he claimed. Every few centuries the blend
of races in Asia produced a great leader — an Attila, a Genghis Khan, a
Tamerlaine, a Lenin, or a Stalin — who could make something out of the
Slavs. These leaders possessed traces of German blood, which gave them
their ability, but good leadership was not enough. In the end German racial
superiority would help Germany to overcome the more numerous but inferior
Slav masses.
About two hours into the three-hour-and-ten-minute speech, Himmler decided
to raise a weighty matter about which the SS could never speak publicly —
“the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people.” It
was necessary to speak about this once, Himmler said. It was one thing to
put the phrase “exclusion of the Jews” or “extermination of the Jews” in
the Nazi program and quite another to carry it out. In principle, Germans
supported persecution, Himmler noted with some sarcasm, but then each of
them tried to save the one good Jew that he knew. These people had no sense
of what it was like to see one hundred or five hundred or a thousand bodies
lying there. Himmler boasted that the SS had maintained this program, and
apart from some exceptions brought about by human weakness, had remained
respectable. It was “an unwritten and never to be written page of glory in
our history.” And as he spoke, the reel of tape continued to turn and to
record.
If the Jews had not been dealt with, Himmler continued, Germany would then
be in the situation of 1916 or 1917, where Jews had infected the German
body politic. “We had the moral right, we had the duty with regard to our
people, to kill the race that wanted to kill us.” It was the future Himmler
had sketched out in 1938, the day before Kristallnacht, with much the same
audience and much the same justification; now the prediction was partially
fulfilled. Then his voice rising to an angry snarl, Himmler continued: “We
do _not_ have the right to enrich ourselves even just with a fur or a watch
or a Mark or with a cigarette!” It was the most strident and most emotional
moment in the whole speech. The architect of mass murder remained in his
> own eyes a moralist to the end.
>
> ************
>
> 49. Korherr’s reports in NA RG 238, NO-5193 and 5194, cover letter,
> NO-5195. Himmler’s correction of working in Brandt to Korherr, 20 April
> 1943. NA RG 238, NO-5196/ Raul Hilberg, _The Destruction of the European
> Jews_ (Chicago, 1`961), 2nd expanded ed., 3 vols. (New York 1985), I
> 322-23, reviews the whole range of Nazi terms that veiled the realities.
>
> 50. The “official” version of the speech, published in IMT 29, 110-73,
> 1919-PS, does not contain this section, or a number of others, because,
> after recording his speeches, Himmler would have an exact transcript made,
> then edit it. One has to go to the recording to get the exact speech that
> Himmler gave. The recording is available in the National Archives, Motion
> Picture, Sound, and Video Branch.
>
> 51. IMT 29, 115, 119-PS.
>
> 52. Again, this is not in the printed text. See n. 50.
>
>
> **********END QUOTE***********
>
> _The Architect of Genocide: Himmler and the Final Solution_, Richard
> Breitman, Alfred A. Knopf, NY 1991
> ISBN 0-394-56841-9
>
> —
> “Remember, there is a great difference between kneeling down and bending over.”
> Frank Zappa
>
>
>>>>
When did you speak to Korherr about all of this? In fact, Korherr, toward the end of
his life, was sick and tired of people referring to his reports as if they were an admission
of mass murder. he said they were nothing of the sort. As to Architect of Genocide.
What of it? There are others who disagree with this author. His arguments will not
convince skeptics. Frankly, I was disappointed that you referred so extensively on
Breitman. i would much rather read your own personal analysis of the subject.
All you do was recite breitman’s paraphrasing of Himmler’s alleged speech.
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Fafner13) writes:
>
> # Irma Grese came right out and said it at her trial…..
> # she said she wouldn’t go near the inmates at belsen
> # as she was frightened of them.
>
> Well, our “revisionist scholar” here does not quote that
> accurately. Let’s see what his beloved Grese REALLY said:
>
>
>
> Q. At Belsen, have you ever struck a prisoner at all?
>
> A. Yes, but only with my hand. The condition of the prisoners
> was so bad that one had almost a horror of them.
>
>
>
> Yes, boys and girls, there is no wonder why the
> rblackmore/Fafner13/tutu101 entity is so much in love
> with poor little Irma Grese.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Why do you think I am in love with her? Because she struck people who
deserved it. It must have really hurt, as well, coming from a petite young
woman like grese…Ouch….ouch…
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> Joe Belling, following the senile coward Matt Giwer’s lead
> in inventing yet another pseudonym for his ever more moronic
> postings, [email protected] (Fafner13), writes:
>
> JB>Note that many SS members also died from the epiidemics. That is why
> the
> JB>staff was frightened of the inmates.
>
> CP>Now, how is it that I know that your support for this is in one of
> CP>those nine zillion books you haven’t catalogued and can’t access
> CP>just yet? Extrasensory perception, I guess.
>
> JB>Well, Miss Powder, it is in the transcripts of the Belsen trial…made
> an
> JB>ass out of yourself again…..
>
> If you can substantiate the death of “many SS men” from the Belsen
> transcripts, go ahead. BTW, I reserve the right to be skeptical about
> any self-serving testimony from the accused. (But I somehow doubt you’ll
> present anything at all. Go ahead, Joe, prove me wrong.)
>
>>>>
Read the book.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> (Fafner13)28 Dec 1996 14:08:43 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>I am always amazed that the Final Solution is alleged to have more
> :>forgeries
> :>associated with it than any other historical event of which I am aware.
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>How about Jewish ritual murder?
>
> Now Mr. Blackmore, you promised you were going to behave yourself and stop
> this foolishness.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
You didn’t answer the question directly.
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
Tutu101
I don’t believe your witness who claims she saw Grese beat someone to
death. I happen to know that gratuitous beatings of inmates at Auschwitz
were strictly prohibited.
So was what happened to Rodney King. I suppose you will claim that
the strict prohibition against police brutality proves that the videotape
was forged?
We have that on video tape. not a very good analogy.-rb
Your witness never names the alleged victim or
the alleged person who was with her.-rb
Irrelevant. If I see a murder on the street, it is not necessary for
me to know the victim’s name in order to know that I have seen a murder.
Nor is the name of the accompanying person relevant unless that person
> also appears as a witness and contradicts the story.
Ah–but it IS necessary to provide a corpse to prove murder has indeed taken
place. The allegations against Grese were simply maliciously imputed to her
by hateful, hysterical, and jealous ex-inmates.–rb
>
>
> >All forms of corporal punishment had
> >to be approved of in advance by authorities in Berlin. The very idea of
> >little Irma Grese beating people to death with her cellophane whip is a
> >joke. Grese was innocent. She never deserved to hang on the basis of
> >unproved witchcraft like hysterical denunciations. And all this fuss and
> >ado you raise about these issues is unconvincing and reminds me of a
> >Shakespearian line: “Thou doth protest too much.”
>
> Pot. Kettle. Black.
I am not protesting.–rb
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message
> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect)Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:09:27 -0500
> writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer ([email protected]), an
> :>unmitigated coward pretending to be [email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :>Fascinating that people too cowardly to use their own names love to hide
> :>under the guise of doctors. Doc Savage. (Yes, I know, it’s a fictional
> :>character). Doc Tor. Doc Tavish. See a trend here?
>
> Yeah. They are two *sick* losers!
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Don’t forget Doc Keren…
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
If this is how they are being handled, Hillary, no wonder the denial
groups are afraid to enter this newsgroup anymore. They are plum outa
ideas.
Posted/e-mailed
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
No one is afraid of your little newsgroup…..by the way, there is
no contradiction in what I wrote..but youknew that already Mike…
stop jacking the browsers….
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* [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
* Erich Gnewuch testifies about gassings in Nazi-occupied USSR, 1942-3
> [Quoted in “Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
> Use of Poison Gas”, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
> A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 57-9]
> ———————————————————————-
> On orders from my department, I too drove a gas-van from Berlin to
> Minsk. These vans had been constructed with a lockable cargo
> compartment, like a moving van.
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> I was detailed with the gas-van to about twelve convoys of arriving
> Jews. It was in 1942. There were about a thousand Jews in each
> convoy. With each arrival I made five or six trips with my van.
> Some of the Jews were shot. I myself never shot a single Jew; I
> only gassed them.
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> A ghetto operation took place in the autumn of 1943. I was put into
> action only once with the gas-van. I made three trips with it to the
> execution site. I gassed about 150 to 180 people.
>
>
>>>>
1753 Twenty-four Jews were arrested for the murder of a peasant boy,
Studzienski, in Zlytrovia, Poland. They confess to the crime. Eleven
are condemned to death.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer Repost 1
Date: 29 Dec 1996 14:47:11 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
> Present this testimony.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Also, the bread you spoke of also had to feed german civilians
and wehrmacht personnel. There was NO
way Kramer could have received more without authorization-
-which would have to have come from Army
headquarters. Also, it would have been up to his superior,
Pohl, to work out the arrangements
with the army, if any arrangements could have been made.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Date: 29 Dec 1996 14:49:58 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Doc Savage) writes:
>
> # I am too occupied laughing at the idea of beating someone
> # to death with a cellophane whip.
>
> She testified to beating them also with a stick, oh senile one.
>
> “I usually used to beat them on the shoulders, but
> there were times when, because of the numbers involved,
> they were beaten on any part of the body that happened
> to be easiest”.
>
> Irma Grese, on how she used to beat inmates with a stick (excerpt
> quoted from “The Belsen Trial”).
>
> Learn to read, senile one. It may eventually get you somewhere
> in life, although it’s probably too late.
>
> God help you if your Nazi pals ever get to power, Matt. You will be
> among the first ones they will send to the euthanasia institutions.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Grese beat thieves and malingerers with a stick. the Israeli secret
service beats people to death with baseball bats.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >Can you explain why in the book “German Crimes in Poland”, it is
> >> >expressly stated that the Germans had not exterminated the Poles or
> >> >Russians, but only the Jews, and that undoubtedly the Poles and
> >> >Russians would have been the next on their list had they won the war?–rb
> >>
> >> Can you supply a precise quote, rather than your probably twisted
> >> paraphrase? Then I for one will be happy to take a stab at explaining
> >> it. I just don’t want to waste my time explaining your misunderstandings.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >I have posted some of this recently but I don’t remember where.–rb
>
> So what? Don’t you have the book? Quote the book. Very simple. No
> misunderstandings. No bullshit. No, you’re not even going to try.
>
>>>>
Too busy right now.
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From: [email protected]
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* [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
* I submit this as a truly astounding example of how
* “revisionists” lie and distort.
*
* After reading the following, it should be clear that
* one should NEVER believe what these Nazi-apologists
* write, without checking a primary source.
When I wrote:
## You heard it here first, boys and girls. The SS was
## “frightened of the inmates”.
[email protected] (Fafner13), the “revisionist” also
using the alias “rblackmore”, repeated his previous claim:
From: [email protected] (Fafner13)
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
# Of course they were frightened…..Who in their right mind
# would want to expose themselves to the disease carrying
# inmates from other camps? Irma Grese came right out and
# said it at her trial…..she said she wouldn’t go
# near the inmates at belsen as she was frightened of them.
> This is what Grese REALLY said:
>
>
>
> Q. At Belsen, have you ever struck a prisoner at all?
>
> A. Yes, but only with my hand. The condition of the prisoners
> was so bad that one had almost a horror of them.
>
>
>
> So, even Grese – whose hobby, in Auschwitz, was to beat
> the inmates with a stick (as she testified), was so horrified
> with the living skeletons in Belsen that she “only” beat
> them with her hand! Now, perhaps the revolting liar
> “[email protected]”, will explain why she hit them with
> her hand, if, as he claimed, “she said she wouldn’t go near
> the inmates at belsen”?
>
> Indeed, when Mr. Van-Alstine refers to you as a “lying
> scumbag Nazi apologist”, he is being too polite.
>
> Posted/e-mailed to Mr. Van-Alstine.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Try this one on for size: Miss Grese also said that she was too busy
attending funerals of SS staff members who were dropping like flies from
the typhus. Why don’t you post that one, and while you are at it, quote from,
John Toland’s “The Last Ten Days”—you know the section I refer to, don’t you,
Danny? It’s that section where the released poor concentration camp victims
went on a rampage throughout areas of Germany, robbing, raping, looting, and
killing. Their crimes were so offensive that even the allies had to round them up
again and re-intern them. Post that one, you duplicitous phony.
PS: People were only struck by Miss Grese if they were stealing or otherwise
behaving like animals…..hardly anything to be condemned to death for.
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
d.A. quotes from p. 19 of “Auschwitz 1940-1945 Guide-Book through the Museum”
Krajowa Agencja Wydawnicza, 1981
I also pointed out that it was only *after* the revision of
the total number of victims of the Auschwitz death combine
from 4,000,00 to 1,500,000 that the pre-eminence of Jewish
victims was acknowledged.
I contend that this final acknowledgement was reluctant.
Thank you for your wishing me well.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Do you just pretend to miss the point? The fact is, whether spoken or unspoken,
the overwhelming majority of the 4 million figure were Jews, and it was this
reprehensible lie which was irresponsibly bandied about for decades without
not so much as a peep from agencies like the Wiesenthal Center—keep those
cash donations flowing in to fight “Neo-Naziism”……There was a REASON
why this number went unchallenged in the media–it was a convenient LIE…and
if that LIE must not be believed, what can we say about the rest?–rb
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Subject: Re: Correcting Giwer’s and Blackmore’s scientific ignorance
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
It looks like I will have to repost my reply to all this. it seems
to have disappeared from my server, although yale apparently
read it.
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
d.A. commented on the Auschwitz National Museum:
In fact, the abiding impression is that the Jewish victims are
down-played in this guide-book, as in the Museum at the time
of my visit.
“rblackmore” wrote:
Perhaps those jewish “victims” were a figment of someones vivid imagination.–rb
d.A. assures “rblackmore”:
No. Plenty of people attested to the fact that Auschwitz was the last
place on earth visited by some million or so Jews, including those
who had intimate knowledge of it before its remains became a museum:
Hoess, Eichmann,….
>
UH, huh…..Testimony from Hoess…a man who lied as a result of vicious beatings,
torture and threats to his family. NOT CREDIBLE. Eichmann: kidnapped from his
home, drugged and smuggled out of the country…the Mossad had his address and
knew where his wife and children lived……who knows what those thugs said and
did to Eichmann to get his “co-operation”…..to “talk”. NOT CREDIBLE…..The last
group: Survivors…so many lies and hysterical imaginings all packed with inconsistencies
and contradictions: 90% of them NOT CREDIBLE. What I/WE want to see is absolute
forensic evidence, just like in any other murder cases. I am not interested in your
survivors tales and eyewitness testimony and accusations galore. I seek and expect proof.
I know it is too much to ask. It is so much easier simply to believe lies.–rb
> But sending Jews there to beome victims *was* the result of
> “someone’s vivid imagination”, namely that of the son of an
> Austrian customs official. Of course he did not initially
> have Auschwitz in mind as the location for such victimisation,
> but some people are flexible.
What on earth are you referring to?–rb
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# What I/WE want to see is absolute forensic evidence,
# just like in any other murder cases.
As noted here, many times, the physical evidence includes:
– Many documents and photographs.
COMMENT:
Then I ask where each photograph and document came from…who found
it and under what circumstances. I want the documents subjected to the same
rigorous examination non-revisionists subjected the Emil Lachout document to…..rb
>
> – Huge numbers of corpses and human remains in some of the camps.
COMMENTS:
These remains would be consistent with the great number of people who
died from epidemics.–rb
>
> – Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls.
COMMENT:
Many buildings had cyanide traces on the walls. Cyanide was used throughout
the camp to disinfest. You have not shown that these compounds can be traced
to a homicidal purpose.–rb
>
> – Some of the mass graves, discovered after the war.
COMMENT:
Where? katyn? What others do you refer to, and who found them.
What sort of numbers are we looking at? What were the circumstances?
Also, it has never been denied that thousands of people
were killed during the partisan war on both sides. Lithuanians and Latvians
were responsible for many pogroms against Jews.–rb
>
> Thus, there is far greater physical evidence for the Holocaust
> than for:
>
> – The bombing of Dresden.
COMMENT:
There are more than enough records to establish what happened at
Dresden, how, and why? If there aren’t many corpses, thats because most of
them were burned alive.–rb
>
> – The death of German civilians after the war.
COMMENT:
Approximately 2.5-3 millions.–rb
>
> – Stalin’s atrocities.
COMMENT:
We know you love him, Danny.–rb
>
> Now, fair is fair. You claim that 3 million German citizens
> were murdered after the war. According to your own standards,
> you have to show us 3 million corpses. Can you do that?
COMMENT:
Sure….So if I can’t—you can’t either….so we’re both in checkmate.–rb
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
I see you have also stooped to putting words of your own into what I
post while snipping all of my post. Very dishonest.
COMMENT:
Where have I done this? Sometimes, too much gets snipped by accident,
and then I try to patch it up…that’s all there is to it—-nothing dishonest.–rb
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>>>>
How about Stangl
> from Treblinka? How about Kremer? None of them are acceptable? Even where
> they largely agree with each other? Why is that Mr. Blackmore?
COMMENT:
Sorry. I overlooked this in my initial reply. Stangl said that the reason the Jews were
gassed was because the Nazis wanted their money. Needless to say, they could have had their
money without gassing them. Second, Mr. Stangl was another one of those “mysterious death”
cases. He has a full “confession” with Gita Sereny, and then promptly dies of a “heart attack”
the next day…..Like Baer, former Commandamt of Auschwitz, who, by the way, also disclaimed the
gas chamber story. If they happen to agree with each other, I would have to see where…..accused
witches also agreed that they all verily kissed the devil’s merry, hairy ass.–rb
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For some reason, this post disappeared from my server, so here is a repost.
BTW, the header is meant to be PARODY, and NOT to be taken as anti-Semitic.
If Danny Keren, Alstine, et. al. can refer to me as “Nazi” ( I don’t know whether they
are serious), then I can post this as a headline.
Concerning the on-going debate of whether the river water at Belsen was fit to drink, here
is a special section from the book, “Basic Field Manual–Military Sanitation and
First Aid”, published by the United States War Department:
Intestinal Diseases
“The intestinal diseases are those in which the causal agents are eliminated
>from the body in the feces and urine. They are usually transmitted by the hands
or by eating utensils. Their causes and modes of transmission are well understood,
and they can be prevented by proper sanitation. The principle intestinal diseases
are-
Amebic dysentery
Bacillary dysentery
Cholera
Diarrhea
Food infection
Food intoxication
Helminthic infestations (Worms)
Paratyphoid Fever
Typhoid Fever
Undulant fever
b. Carriers of typhoid fever, amebic dysentery, or other of the intestinal diseases
are relatively common.
CONTROL OF INTESTINAL DISEASES
….Routine Measures:
The following measures are essential to the contol of intestinal diseases:
1. Purification and protection of water supplies
2. Proper inspection and protection of food supplies
3. Proper mess sanitation
4. Proper waste disposal
5. Fly control
6. Immunization
7. Rigid personal hygiene of all individuals
8. Rigid discipline in matters of sanitization, particularly as regards avoiding
unauthorized sources of water and food.
IMPORTANCE OF EARLY DIAGNOSIS–
Should cases of intestinal disease occur, their early diagnosis and isolation
together with disinfection of any objects possibly contaminated by infected
individuals will greatly lessen the possibility of an epidemic.
FIELD WATER SUPPLIES
WATER SOURCES:
Practically all sources of water in the field must be considered as CONTAMINATED. (rb)
Thus, all water should be properly treated before use unless the Medical Department
has established DEFINITE PROOF (rb) that the source is not contaminated. Some sources
of water are, however, better than others. Surface water, (ponds, RIVERS (rb), or small streams)
is generally more heavily contaminated than ground water (wells or springs)……..
PROTECTION OF WATER SUPPLY-
Every source of water supply should be carefully guarded against pollution by human
or animal wastes. Pollution can occur either by surface or sub-surface drainage.
METHODS OF PURIFICATION-
Boiling–Boiling is the safest method, but is undesireable because of the flat taste
and because of the lack of containers for boiling other than small quantities.
CHLORINATION-
Chlorination is the method of choice and may be carried out in the water sterilizing bag
(Lyster bag) in water carts, in small reservoirs, or by the mobile purification units
operated by the Corps of Engineers. The exact amount of chlorine required will vary
with the characterisics of the water being treated. Water containing considerable
organic matter requires considerably more chlorine than does clear water.
End of Quotes
Now, if anyone has the honesty to admit it, this post should decisively settle this
water business at Belsen once and for all. The dishonest die-hards and true believers
like Yale E. will holler, shimmy, shake, and do all sorts of contortions, yet the facts
stand indisputable by themselves. If ever there was a case for the mass spreading of
an epidemic, Belsen was the location. Tens of thousands of seriously ill inmates
transferred during the last 2 months of the war into a camp which could only
accomdate a fraction of that number. Filth everywhere, mainly brought about by the
personal foul habits of many of the inmates themselves, who preferred wallowing in
filth rather than lift a finger to tidy their surroundings. (Note that this does not refer to
the seriously ill, who were housed in the infirmary.) I need not elaborate on any other
aspects clearly stated in the War Department manual.
rblackmore
“The barn is burned down–now we can see the moon.”–Zen Proverb
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>
> But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko
> beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn’t the slightest clue regarding
> Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the box-office? For
> evidence of this please see:
>>>>
Yes, anyone who disagrees with Van Alstine is called an “anti-Semite.” What
they are, is anti-lie. Soon, whenever I think of the word lie, the name Van Alstine
will appear, and all will be explained. By the way Mark, where are those autopsy
reports you promised to deliver?
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
, you obviously failed to “get the point”, as did Mike
Stein…….boiling the water without suitable containers for 60,000
people was completely impractical at belsen.
Because! I! Say! So!
I repeat: take all the cookpots you have. Use them round the clock
if need be. The cookpots were not used round the clock for preparing
food. You need not boil all the water at once.
It is easy for you to state what SHOULD have been done, speaking from the
comfort of your home……The fact is the situation was not as you assume. You have
NO idea how many bowls or utensils or pots were available in this extreme emergency
brought on by rapid overcrowding which is WHY Kramer decided to turn the camp over
to the British authorities ASAP. That thousands of human beings continued to die after
the british took over command of the camp is probably due to the fact that they seemed
to have given unsterilized water to inmates whose health was already compromised
by serious, life-threatening intestinal ailments. The British later blamed Kramer
for the deaths for which they themselves were fully responsible.–rb
More importantly, the inability to save everyone is no excuse for
failing to even try to save anyone. You seem impervious to having this
> very simple point enter your skull.
COMMENT:
Again, you simplify. Kramer saved tens of thousands by arranging for a rapid
surrender of the camp in an emergency situation. This was basically an admission
by the commandant that he was incapable of dealing with the emergency. A man
cannot be faulted for this, especially due to the circumstances involved. Kramer also
undoubtedly saved the lives of the children in the camp by isolating them from the
adults and allowing them special provisions.–rb
this is in complete agreement with the
text of the military manual.
MSTEIN:
What is not in agreement with the text of the manual is your previous
claim that boiling would not have been sufficiently safe. It is good to
see that at least you are not trying to salvage that piece of stupidity,
and you are desperately searching around for another excuse.
COMMENT:
I don’t need excuses, Mike. I always post the truth. The key factor here, whether
you realize it yet or not, is that these thousands of people were suffering from severe
intestinal ailments–life-threatening ailments–and if the water was NOT properly
sterilized with CHLORINE and FILTERED, as it came from the river full of sediment
and God knows what else, further casualities would result. Kramer did not have the
materials for dealing with this emergency situation, which he openly and honestly admitted,
and if the British gave these people
water from the river without boiling it, as they seem to have DONE, then they bear the
responsibility for the thousands of deaths which occurred after the liberation–rb
>
>
> > The preferred method would have been chlorination in specially fitted
> >dispenser bags, which could accomodate the great number of people in the
> >camp. The british obviously brought these items with them from their
> >field units. Look at the documentary produced by hitchcock and narrated
> >by Trevor howard, and you will see what I am referirng to here. As
> >usual, you are wrong, and Giwer and I are right
MIKE STEIN:
>
> You were both quite wrong when you said that boiling was not safe.
> Sorry about that. Dishonestly pretending that you two did not focus on
> the safety issue rather than the economic issue will not change that.
COMMENT:
This is a moot point. Rivers are among the least acceptable sources for
potable water. Fact is, the water would have to be boiled and FILTERED
in amounts which would suffice for 60,000 human beings. Obviously, Kramer
was helpless in dealing with the mess which other authorities simply dumped into
his lap, which he in turn, dumped into the lap of the British.–rb
MIKE STEIN:
>
> As for containers, billions of people all over the globe are fed meals
> cooked in two-quart pots. Imagine that! While large-scale processes may
> be more economically efficient, if you have the labor and nothing better
> to do with it then you can use small-scale processes. You have claimed
> that there were healthy inmates, because you have claimed that much of the
> the filth was the result of deliberate choice rather than inability to
> make it to the latrine. Therefore by your own prior claims there was
> labor.
COMMENT: Who knows how many of them became ill as a result of their
spreading of filth and contamination? I don’t know, and neither do you.–rb
>
> There were resources available to do much more than Kramer did, even
> if it may not have been enough to do 100% of the job. This refutes your
> claim that Kramer did the best he could. You are now reduced to the
> excuse that the inability to do 100% of the job justified doing absolutely
> none of it.
COMMENT: My claim is not refuted. It is clear that Kramer did what he could
to salvage the mess which was dumped in his lap. He was indeed a scapegoat.
Set up by his own authorities and then hypocritically prosecuted by the British
for saving thousands of lives by arranging for the rapid surrender of the camp.
The British behaved dishonorably.–rb
>
> Of course if you wish to abandon your claim that there were healthy
> inmates, and give up blaming the inmates for deliberately creating the
> filthy conditions, then I suppose you can salvage your apology for Kramer.
> But you will have to admit to being wrong about something no matter what
> you do. I suggest you give up the defense of Kramer, because if you
> change the other position, you will admit to greater dishonesty in making
> up your claim about healthy inmates deliberately fouling the camp out of
> whole cloth.
>
COMMENT: I give up nothing. I am right on all accounts, and Kramer was
innocently and unjustly prosecuted. As far as I am concerned, he is completely
exonerated.–rb
>
> >Just when you think it is safe to enter the
> >water, some dumb shark comes up and bites you on the ass.
>
> Yes, but I never before saw a shark so dumb that it bit itself in the
> ass.
Did you hurt yourself?-rb
>
> “Boiling is the safest method.” Thank you for admitting that you were
> wrong in saying that boiling could not be used because it would not have
> killed the germs, which is what you had previously been basing your
> apologies for Kramer on.
Indeed, there are certain strains of bacteria which apparently are not killed by boiling, according
to other sources, which I will post when I find them. If error occurred, it is the error of the
authorities I read, if at all, and which I posted an opinion. In any event, my arguments
are not the least bit affected by the “revelations” as has been proved above.–rb
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
, you obviously failed to “get the point”, as did Mike
Stein…….boiling the water without suitable containers for 60,000
people was completely impractical at belsen.
Because! I! Say! So!
I repeat: take all the cookpots you have. Use them round the clock
if need be. The cookpots were not used round the clock for preparing
food. You need not boil all the water at once.
COMMENT:
It is easy for you to state what SHOULD have been done, speaking from the
comfort of your home……The fact is the situation was not as you assume. You have
NO idea how many bowls or utensils or pots were available in this extreme emergency
brought on by rapid overcrowding which is WHY Kramer decided to turn the camp over
to the British authorities ASAP. That thousands of human beings continued to die after
the british took over command of the camp is probably due to the fact that they seemed
to have given unsterilized water to inmates whose health was already compromised
by serious, life-threatening intestinal ailments. The British later blamed Kramer
for the deaths for which they themselves were fully responsible.–rb
More importantly, the inability to save everyone is no excuse for
failing to even try to save anyone. You seem impervious to having this
very simple point enter your skull.
COMMENT:
Again, you simplify. Kramer saved tens of thousands by arranging for a rapid
surrender of the camp in an emergency situation. This was basically an admission
by the commandant that he was incapable of dealing with the emergency. A man
cannot be faulted for this, especially due to the circumstances involved. Kramer also
undoubtedly saved the lives of the children in the camp by isolating them from the
adults and allowing them special provisions.–rb
this is in complete agreement with the
text of the military manual.
MSTEIN:
What is not in agreement with the text of the manual is your previous
claim that boiling would not have been sufficiently safe. It is good to
see that at least you are not trying to salvage that piece of stupidity,
and you are desperately searching around for another excuse.
COMMENT:
I don’t need excuses, Mike. I always post the truth. The key factor here, whether
you realize it yet or not, is that these thousands of people were suffering from severe
intestinal ailments–life-threatening ailments–and if the water was NOT properly
sterilized with CHLORINE and FILTERED, as it came from the river full of sediment
and God knows what else, further casualities would result. Kramer did not have the
materials for dealing with this emergency situation, which he openly and honestly admitted,
and if the British gave these people
water from the river without boiling it, as they seem to have DONE, then they bear the
responsibility for the thousands of deaths which occurred after the liberation–rb
The preferred method would have been chlorination in specially fitted
dispenser bags, which could accomodate the great number of people in the
camp. The british obviously brought these items with them from their
field units. Look at the documentary produced by hitchcock and narrated
by Trevor howard, and you will see what I am referirng to here. As
usual, you are wrong, and Giwer and I are right
MIKE STEIN:
You were both quite wrong when you said that boiling was not safe.
Sorry about that. Dishonestly pretending that you two did not focus on
the safety issue rather than the economic issue will not change that.
COMMENT:
This is a moot point. Rivers are among the least acceptable sources for
potable water. Fact is, the water would have to be boiled and FILTERED
in amounts which would suffice for 60,000 human beings. Obviously, Kramer
was helpless in dealing with the mess which other authorities simply dumped into
his lap, which he in turn, dumped into the lap of the British.–rb
MIKE STEIN:
As for containers, billions of people all over the globe are fed meals
cooked in two-quart pots. Imagine that! While large-scale processes may
be more economically efficient, if you have the labor and nothing better
to do with it then you can use small-scale processes. You have claimed
that there were healthy inmates, because you have claimed that much of the
the filth was the result of deliberate choice rather than inability to
make it to the latrine. Therefore by your own prior claims there was
labor.
COMMENT: Who knows how many of them became ill as a result of their
spreading of filth and contamination? I don’t know, and neither do you.–rb
There were resources available to do much more than Kramer did, even
if it may not have been enough to do 100% of the job. This refutes your
claim that Kramer did the best he could. You are now reduced to the
excuse that the inability to do 100% of the job justified doing absolutely
none of it.
COMMENT: My claim is not refuted. It is clear that Kramer did what he could
to salvage the mess which was dumped in his lap. He was indeed a scapegoat.
Set up by his own authorities and then hypocritically prosecuted by the British
for saving thousands of lives by arranging for the rapid surrender of the camp.
The British behaved dishonorably.–rb
>
> Of course if you wish to abandon your claim that there were healthy
> inmates, and give up blaming the inmates for deliberately creating the
> filthy conditions, then I suppose you can salvage your apology for Kramer.
> But you will have to admit to being wrong about something no matter what
> you do. I suggest you give up the defense of Kramer, because if you
> change the other position, you will admit to greater dishonesty in making
> up your claim about healthy inmates deliberately fouling the camp out of
> whole cloth.
>
COMMENT: I give up nothing. I am right on all accounts, and Kramer was
innocently and unjustly prosecuted. As far as I am concerned, he is completely
exonerated.–rb
>
> >Just when you think it is safe to enter the
> >water, some dumb shark comes up and bites you on the ass.
>
> Yes, but I never before saw a shark so dumb that it bit itself in the
> ass.
Did you hurt yourself?-rb
>
> “Boiling is the safest method.” Thank you for admitting that you were
> wrong in saying that boiling could not be used because it would not have
> killed the germs, which is what you had previously been basing your
> apologies for Kramer on.
Indeed, there are certain strains of bacteria which apparently are not killed by boiling, according
to other sources, which I will post when I find them. If error occurred, it is the error of the
authorities I read, if at all, and which I posted an opinion. In any event, my arguments
are not the least bit affected by the “revelations” as has been proved above.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:35:00 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > So what? Don’t you have the book? Quote the book. Very simple. No
> > > misunderstandings. No bullshit. No, you’re not even going to try.
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Too busy right now.
>
> Translation: Mr. Belling’s handler, Mr. Kennady, is still on “vacation.”
>
> For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling’s increasingly irrelevant
> Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, anti-Semtism, and outright lies,
> please visit:
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196
>
>
> Mark
>
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–
>
>>>>
What are you talking about?–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:34:25 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> posted and emailed to Blackmore, Belling, tutu101, f—13, and
> Ehrlich606
>
> > [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > I see you have also stooped to putting words of your own into what I
> > post while snipping all of my post. Very dishonest.
> >
> >COMMENT:
> >
> >Where have I done this? Sometimes, too much gets snipped by accident,
> >and then I try to patch it up…that’s all there is to it—-nothing dishonest.–rb
>
> Now, I will call you a liar. I rarely do this, but it is far too
> obvious. Here is the post as you replied to it.
>
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >
> What a crock o’shit Blackmore.
COMMENT: Are you implying that I wrote “What a crock o’shit, Blackmore?
If you are, I did NOT write that comment.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran)
> wrote:
>
> > >The artifacts made from human skin were discovered in
> > >Buchenwald. A pathology report confirming this is
> > >often posted here. They are also mentioned in an
> > >official SS communication; see
> > >
> > >http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
> > >buchenwald-doc04.gif
> > >
> > >And
> > >
> > >http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
> > >buchenwald02.jpg
> > >
> > >It is apparent that even some of the SS thought that these
> > >kinds of things are going too far, because a letter to
> > >the Buchenwald Pathology Department asks that the manufacturing
> > >of shrunken heads etc. will stop.
> > >
> > >See
The reports are frauds and the artifacts are fake and can no longer
be found anywhere on the face of God’s good earth.–rb
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
Grese beat thieves and malingerers with a stick….
Grese, for example, pistol whipped and beat (with her fists) Olga Lengyal,
a member of the Auschwitz infirmary staff, for simply obeying the orders
of her superior, SS Major Dr. Klein. (cf. Lengyal, _Five Chimneys_,
pp.106-108.)
COMMENT: This can only mean:
1. It happened.
2. It never happened.
3. Olaga was a thief or a malingerer.
4. Olga was lying.
5. Olga told the truth about the beating, but distorted the circumstances.
6. Olga exaggerated in order to sell more copies of her book.
My opinion is that I do not believe Olga. Her account of the beating,
as well as her other descriptions of the camp, all read as contrived.–rb
She offers no proof of a beating by Grese. She has no scars to offer.
She never testified at Grese’s tiral…In other words she is a totally
worthless witness.–rb
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> Gord McFee
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>
> > How about Stangl
> > > from Treblinka? How about Kremer? None of them are acceptable? Even where
> > > they largely agree with each other? Why is that Mr. Blackmore?
> >
> > COMMENT:
> >
> > Sorry. I overlooked this in my initial reply. Stangl said that the reason the Jews were
> > gassed was because the Nazis wanted their money. Needless to say, they could have had their
>
> > money without gassing them.
>
> Why does that make Stangl an unacceptable witness, which is my
> question? Why are *all* the witnesses unacceptable?
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>>>>
I don’t believe I ever wrote that ALL the witnesses were unacceptable.
It depends who they are and what they had to say and the circumstances
of their interrogations, etc. There were thousands of witnesses for the DEFENSE.
Why are these witnesses always ignored? As to Stangl, I did not find his comments
to be either very revealing or credible. I did read the book. Howeve, I was suspicious
of how he died. Similar to Baer.–rb
