I apologize for the length of this response, but, in dealing with racist nazis like "Reverend" Schoedel, I find it best to let their own words speak for them.

Readers of non-country groups are encouraged to archive this post, so that they might use it in the future to introduce Mr. Schoedel to whatever newsgroups he may attack in the future.

In article <4bq958$jur@spectator.cris.com>, Country Ron <an470270@anon.penet.fi> wrote:

I joined a new newsgroup a couple weeks ago, and shortly thereafter Kenny "Fill'er up" McVay comes in to a completely off-topic newsgroup and tries to enrage readers by posting inappropriate subject matter that I had written.

Given your activity in various alt.* groups, wherein you and your attention-starved racist friends invaded and disrupted peaceful groups (alt.food.dennys, alt.food.waffle-house, and alt.fan.barry-manilow come to mind) and bragged about it, I find these reptilian tears somewhat hypocritical. In other words, those who invade off-topic newsgroups with the deliberate intent to disrupt them and recruit should not throw stones.

I simply did everyone a favour, and introduced you to the audience, so they would know you for what you are.

1) HOW DID HE FIND ME ON THE COUNTRY MUSIC NG?

You will find a clue on my home page. I like country music, Mr. Schoedel.

2) WHY DID HE FIND ME AND TRY TO START TROUBLE ON THE COUNTRY MUSIC NG?

Trouble? I simply introduced you, as an act of courtesy, Mr. Schoedel. I also pointed out, as an indicator of why you were really visiting the group, that you were providing completely false information about "Megan's home page," by providing a URL that had nothing to do with Megan, and everything to do with your tawdry little pile of hatred.

Why, one might wonder, would the "Reverend" Schoedel provide a false URL as "Megan's home page?" Perhaps your October 8th. comment to the STORMFRONT mailing list will provide the answer... the context, of course, was that the Nazi National Alliance web page had been removed from a server. You were thanked for providing alternative links:

From: ChrIdent@cris.com (Ronald Schoedel)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 13:25:18 -0500
Subject: Re: NA web site mirror online

>From: AryanGar@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 00:26:57 -0400
>Subject: Re: NA web site mirror online

>In a message dated 95-10-07 22:33:31 EDT, you write:

>Thank you Ron for pitching in just when the movement needs
>the NationalAlliance the most.
>Thank you from me personally :)

[snipped poetic drivel]

Hey, we're all in this thing together. I am honored to be able to pitch in to help out NA. We've got such an awesome and powerful thing here with the internet, that I felt it my duty to help out like this.

Things are really beginning to heat up right now, and this is indeed the least of all times for NA to be absent from the web!!! Our site gets about a hundred hits a day, so trust me...the message IS getting out! :)

Thanx, and take care!

RON :-) 88/14

In other words, Mr. Schoedel, you support the most openly Nazi organization in North America, and help them promulgate their vitriolic hatred through your own web page; in addition, you add the traditional "Heil Hitler" to your signature (8=eighth letter of alphabet="H") in order to leave no misunderstanding about your political beliefs. You are a Nazi.

Why would I bother introducing you, Mr. Schoedel? What, if anything, does this have to do with rec.music.country.western?

Let's consider the following suggestion, posted to the STORMFRONT (Nazi) mailing list, a list, as we have seen, to which you subscribe - Milton Kleim, of the National Alliance, writes:

Subject: ANA Editorial -- APNW and APWP
From: Rick Knight, bf221@freenet.carleton.ca
To: bf221@freenet.carleton.ca

Comrades!

I've been thinking about the loss of APNW and APWP to some of you, and have determined this is an _opportunity_, not a hindrance, for our struggle.

The Enemy has seen to it that we've lost the two "hang-outs" where he best kept us -- out of sight of the "mainstream" USENETers. This is, for our Enemy, a fatal error on his part.

His action has compelled some of you to assume the role I've suggested since I wrote "On Tactics and Strategy for USENET." Those of you who have lost APNW and APWP should immediately become the pioneers of new, "mainstream" groups.

Venture out, Aryan warriors! Take up positions on "mainstream" groups where our views have a legitimate place.

If you've lost APNW and APWP, journey over to soc.culture.usa, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics.usa.misc, or any other appropriate group.

APNW and APWP had a limited readership -- we were merely "preaching to the choir." The Enemy has screwed himself by fraudulently deleting our newsgroups, and leaving some of you with no choice but to go to other regions of USENET cyberspace. The new groups you MUST venture onto have 20 TIMES the readership our groups have/had.

Aryan Corps, MOVE OUT!

-- Milton

If you are interested in reading Milton Kleim's "Tactics and Strategy for USENET," in which, among other things, he tells his "cyber guerillas" to cancel their own posts to avoid unwanted discussion, point your web browser to:

<http://www.io.com/~rlogsdon/misc-milt.html>

[Note: the URL above is no longer active. See Kleim on Tactics for one of the earliest copies of the document. knm, 23 June 1996]

Then Wyatt Kaldenberg adds his two cents worth, explaining how newsgroups should be invaded and disrupted:

From: Stormfront-l, stormfront-l@stormfront.org
From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 08:45 PDT
Subject: Cells of Three

The new way of posting on the newsgroups is to stay away from the four racist newsgroups. The only people who post there are racist and anti-racists, No new blood. It is a waste of our time to sing to the choir.

The Jews are watching this list. So what we say is put in FTP sites. People should email one another and talk privately about newsgroup you wish to hit. Get only three people. And hit a newsgroup. With three people you lessen the chance up posting with a Jew. For not all people on this list are who they say they are.

Post only new articles most people don't read all the replies, but all read the first articles. This way with new articles you can create the titles. I have created titles in some newsgroups that have lived for months and months. It funny. Liberals post attacks on my titles that will say something like Niggers, Niggers and I have not been there in months, but because of the liberals reply to my titles, not my posts for they are long gone, the Nigger titles are still there. Then niggers see the titles and say something like fuck all you White motherfuckers, then a liberal will say "But all Whites don't hate blacks,etc" And the nigger title keeps go and go and go like that pink rabbit. It is a hoot!

Hit topical newsgroups. Go to a Christian newsgroups, Satanist newsgroups, pagan, atheist, Left, Right and Center, Rock newsgroups, etc. My carrier has over 15,000 newsgroups. Let's try to hit everyone at least once. This is how we will build the movement. And make your titles radical as hell. Your posts will be gone in a few weeks, but a good radical titles could stay on for months, if not years. The liberal can't stop replying to open racism. Wyatt

In response to Mr. Kaldenberg's message, an anonymous reader of that mailing list wrote:

From: Stormfront-l, stormfront-l@stormfront.org
From: genghis@primenet.com (Genghis Khan)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 05:23:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Cells of Three

I've been thinking about this for some time now. Like your suggestion for groups of three from Stormfront-L to "hit" a newsgroup. However, merely having three people post the same thing doesn't really accomplish our goals.

What we need is one of the people to go to a newsgroup for a few days and start posting "normal" messages, getting into the conversations, etc.. Basically, get known and have some aspect of respect from other readers. Then, have another member of Stormfront come in and post statistics or make "ethnocentric" comments. Have guy #1 play up to guy #2 and try to convince people reading the newsgroup that others are taking up our side. Sort of like a hustle. You've all seen the movie The Color of Money. It works basically the same way and, if done properly, will further our goals TREMENDOUSLY.

If anyone wants to work with me, just send private email and we'll set it up.

Ben

So there we are, "Reverend" Ron - the reason I've introduced you; I've also explained why I am here, and "Sort of like a hustle" explains why you are here.

> and another one, which I never asked yet, but will do so now:

> 3a) WHY, IF I AM SO INSIGNIFICANT AND UNIMPORTANT, DOES KENNY > LOOK FOR ME IN OTHER OFF TOPIC NG's TO GO TROLLING INTO?

Why, to promote you, of course. As you noted in a STORMFRONT article, not too long ago:

From: ChrIdent@cris.com (Ronald Schoedel)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 13:39:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Ken McOyVay (What?)

Ken McOyVay is some whiny jew who thinks he's doing his side some immense good by giving folks like us free publicity and advertising. He's a real keen guy, really. He's one of our best promoters! Thanx Ken!

Since you have already acknowledged me (BTW, I'm a "whiny gentile," thank you very much) as a "real keen guy," and "one of your best promoters," I'm amazed that you seem so confused at my purpose in promoting your viewpoint.

> 3b) IF KENNY IS SO AGAINST NET-ABUSE AND WHAT I WRITE, WHY
> WOULD HE POST IT INTO A COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC NG, KNOWING DAMN
> WELL THAT HE WOULD BE OFFENDING PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T OTHERWISE
> NEED TO READ THAT STUFF.

See above, "Reverend." I think it is perfectly clear.

> I am sure that kenny has answers to these, which I will
> be eagerly awaiting

You have them, Mr. Schoedel. I trust they have dealt with your apparent confusion.

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