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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Re: Sara's still screeching about her porn supply drying up
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Are our two fine ladies, Sara Salzman and Susan Cohen, having a tiff?

Have a nice vegetarian day and not so much smut, please!

On Oct 30, 1:56 pm,  wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&ic=1&selm=schwartz-08019612...
> From: Sara aka Perrrfect (schwa...@infinet.com)
> Subject: Re: Compu$erve's Internal Statement to its Forum Sysops
> Newsgroups: osu.opinion.libertarian, cmh.opinion, oh.general, osu.opinion
> Date: 1996/01/08
> In article <4cmef4$...@wariat.wariat.org>, "Terence B. Burnett" wrote:
> >      If anyone has been to Germany they would know that this is strictly a
> >financial issue for Germany. Germany has 1000's of sex stores where they
> >sell
> >smut that you cane even buy in the United states, But it is all taxed.
> >There
> >just upset becuase they are not getting there share of the smut business...
>
> MOst of you folks are seriously missing the point.
> It was NOT mostly "smut" or "porno" Usenet groups that were banned. There
> were lesbian and gay support groups, joke groups, and much more.
> Check out the list. It's a LOT more than alt.binaries.porno
> And it's censorship, inflicted on Americans by an American company
> sucking up to the German government.
> Let me point this out one more time:
> Holocaust Denial is a CRIME in Germany. Why did they not ask to have
> alt.revisionism, or alt.white-power removed as well?
> Sara
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:02 EST 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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On Oct 30, 3:16 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1193750479.816943.282010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Are our two fine ladies, Sara Salzman and Susan Cohen, having a tiff?
>
> No, these were all from our "new forger", who is posting via a "free"
> teranews account, and also posts as "Ole Irish",
>
> None of those posts are from either Ms. Salzman or Ms. Cohen.

I am not so willing to give our two fine ladies a pass, especially
Sara.

She keeps calling me Istvan, based on an admittedly very good forgery.
It is hard to believe that posts that reflect negative on our zionazi
friends are forgeries while posts that give me, an all around nice guy
who is not pro-holo or anti-holo, are not forgeries.

Until proven otherwise, tubby can call me Istvan and these posts from
Cohen about Salzman are authentic. What is fair is fair.

Have a nice vegetarian day!

>
> HTH
> -pk
>
>
>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day and not so much smut, please!
>
> > On Oct 30, 1:56 pm,  wrote:
>
> 




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:02 EST 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Re: Sara's still screeching about her porn supply drying up
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On Oct 30, 10:41 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 30-Oct-2007, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>
> > "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
> >news:1193769495.385536.298140@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Oct 30, 3:16 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> > >> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> > >>news:1193750479.816943.282010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > Are our two fine ladies, Sara Salzman and Susan Cohen, having a tiff?
>
> > >> No, these were all from our "new forger", who is posting via a "free"
> > >> teranews account, and also posts as "Ole Irish",
>
> > >> None of those posts are from either Ms. Salzman or Ms. Cohen.
>
> > > I am not so willing to give our two fine ladies a pass,
>
> Proving, once & for all, that facts mean nothing to hatemongers,
> & that they live for lies as a means of spreading their bile.
>
> > > especially
> > > Sara.
>
> > > She keeps calling me Istvan, based on an admittedly very good forgery.
> > > It is hard to believe that posts that reflect negative on our zionazi
> > > friends are forgeries while posts that give me, an all around nice guy
> > > who is not pro-holo or anti-holo, are not forgeries.
>
> > > Until proven otherwise,
>
> > Read the headers.
>
> Exactly - and that's what those calling him "Istvan" seem to have done.
>
> > > tubby can call me Istvan and these posts from
> > > Cohen about Salzman are authentic. What is fair is fair.
>
> > Never mind what is reality.
>
> *&* that it's not fair - what he's *really* saying is "They are
> saying thingsd I don't like (even tho' they are true) so I will
> say things THEY don't like (even tho' they are false)."
>
>
>
> > If you need to approve of forgeries, it only says poor things about *you*.
>
> > What a surprise.
>
> And who says SDNWOTN?
> Thanks! :-)
>
> Susan

You and Salzman need to stop posting all that smut.

Have a please less smut zionazi day!



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:02 EST 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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On Oct 30, 7:55 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1193769495.385536.298140@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 3:16 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> >> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1193750479.816943.282010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Are our two fine ladies, Sara Salzman and Susan Cohen, having a tiff?
>
> >> No, these were all from our "new forger", who is posting via a "free"
> >> teranews account, and also posts as "Ole Irish",
>
> >> None of those posts are from either Ms. Salzman or Ms. Cohen.
>
> > I am not so willing to give our two fine ladies a pass, especially
> > Sara.
>
> > She keeps calling me Istvan, based on an admittedly very good forgery.
> > It is hard to believe that posts that reflect negative on our zionazi
> > friends are forgeries while posts that give me, an all around nice guy
> > who is not pro-holo or anti-holo, are not forgeries.
>
> > Until proven otherwise,
>
> Read the headers.
>
> > tubby can call me Istvan and these posts from
> > Cohen about Salzman are authentic. What is fair is fair.
>
> Never mind what is reality.
>
> If you need to approve of forgeries, it only says poor things about *you*.

Zionazis love their forgeries. Cohen has a very filthy mind and some
of the reports about Salzman are not very flattering. It makes sense
that these posts are genuine.

Another one of you zionazis is using the name "Joe Bruno" and probably
causing some serious problems for some poor bloke because he threatens
people and tells them to look him up and fight him. The problem is
that he is not "Joe Bruno" but some Jew from Russia.

I have no doubt that some of you hate mongering zionazis are already
harassing that "Istvan LIppai" and his family in Colorado.

That is the zionazi way.

>
> What a surprise.

Have a zionazis love their forgeries day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.gossip.royalty
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On Oct 31, 12:11 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1193811429.502326.61...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 10:41 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> > > On 30-Oct-2007, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>
> > > > "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
> > > >news:1193769495.385536.298140@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Oct 30, 3:16 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> > > > >> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> > > > >>news:1193750479.816943.282010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > >> > Are our two fine ladies, Sara Salzman and Susan Cohen, having a tiff?
>
> > > > >> No, these were all from our "new forger", who is posting via a "free"
> > > > >> teranews account, and also posts as "Ole Irish",
>
> > > > >> None of those posts are from either Ms. Salzman or Ms. Cohen.
>
> > > > > I am not so willing to give our two fine ladies a pass,
>
> > > Proving, once & for all, that facts mean nothing to hatemongers,
> > > & that they live for lies as a means of spreading their bile.
>
> > > > > especially
> > > > > Sara.
>
> > > > > She keeps calling me Istvan, based on an admittedly very good forgery.
> > > > > It is hard to believe that posts that reflect negative on our zionazi
> > > > > friends are forgeries while posts that give me, an all around nice guy
> > > > > who is not pro-holo or anti-holo, are not forgeries.
>
> > > > > Until proven otherwise,
>
> > > > Read the headers.
>
> > > Exactly - and that's what those calling him "Istvan" seem to have done.
>
> > > > > tubby can call me Istvan and these posts from
> > > > > Cohen about Salzman are authentic. What is fair is fair.
>
> > > > Never mind what is reality.
>
> > > *&* that it's not fair - what he's *really* saying is "They are
> > > saying thingsd I don't like (even tho' they are true) so I will
> > > say things THEY don't like (even tho' they are false)."
>
> > > > If you need to approve of forgeries, it only says poor things about *you*.
>
> > > > What a surprise.
>
> > > And who says SDNWOTN?
> > > Thanks! :-)
>
> > > Susan
>
> > You and Salzman need to stop posting all that smut.
>
> > Have a please less smut zionazi day!
>
> And you, Istvan, need to start addressing the correct person. I didn't
> post anything. One of your little buddies did.

Take it easy, Monica!

 All I am asking is that you and Cohen clean it up a bit.

Is that asking too much, tubby?




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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Has Ben "Crammer" Cramer Fallen in Love??
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On Oct 31, 11:22 am, "Chris C. Larson" 
wrote:
> Has Crammer Fallen in Love??
>
> That's my theory. Hasn't been around for some time. Got tired of the
> cut and paste scene perhaps?
>
> Actually, my theory is that Crammer fell in love and has been busy
> with his new interest. Wonder who the lucky lad is and where he met
> him?

Sounds like you miss Cramer and whine about him like a love sick
puppy.

Have a nice keep on dreaming about Cramer zionazi day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews -Re: Holocaust Calendar: November 6
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On Nov 6, 6:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:



STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html

12-21-6	Excerpts only...

 "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
were Jewish.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
Communist party itself.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
-----------------------------------------------------
The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.

I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
all.

On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
hate site.

http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html

This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
others but as a learning experience for the future.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




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On Nov 7, 6:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:



STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html

12-21-6	Excerpts only...

 "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
were Jewish.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
Communist party itself.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
-----------------------------------------------------
The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.

I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
all.

On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
hate site.

http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html

This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
others but as a learning experience for the future.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:03 EST 2007
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On Nov 7, 6:52 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1194414078.801373.126660@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 6:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:
>
> > 
>
> > STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>
> >http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>
> > 12-21-6 Excerpts only...
>
> > "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
> > were Jewish.
>
> > We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
> > responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
> > surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
> > collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
> > executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> > Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> > minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
> > intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
> > who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
> > Communist party itself.
>
> > And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> > hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
> > 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
> > of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
> > orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
> > people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
> > After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
> > executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
> > 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
> > the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
> > site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.
>
> > I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
> > hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
> > victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
> > there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
> > side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
> > all.
>
> > On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
> > not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
> > article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
> > ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
> > the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
> > irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
> > hate site.
>
> >http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html
>
> > This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
> > my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
> > there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
> > a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
> > others but as a learning experience for the future.
>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> Nor is anybody told that the murderers of Czar Nicholas and his young family
> were all Jews, who executed the kids by bayonetting them through their eyes

Actually, many things that were covered up until now are becoming
known.

Stalin's Jewish Communists murdered millions, including Poles,
Russians, and Ukrainians...

Have a nice vegetarian day!





From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:04 EST 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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On Nov 7, 1:45 pm, ZalekBl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:41:18 -0800, TurkeyBoy 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 7, 6:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:
>
> >
>
> >STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews
>
> >http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
>
> >12-21-6     Excerpts only...
>
> > "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
> >were Jewish.
>
> >We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
> >responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
> >surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
> >collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
> >executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> >Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> >minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
> >intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
> >who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
> >Communist party itself.
>
> >And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> >hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
> >20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
> >of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
> >orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
> >people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
> >After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
> >executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
> >'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
> >-----------------------------------------------------
> >The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
> >the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
> >site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.
>
> >I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
> >hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
> >victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
> >there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
> >side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
> >all.
>
> >On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
> >not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
> >article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
> >ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
> >the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
> >irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
> >hate site.
>
> >http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html
>
> >This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
> >my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
> >there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
> >a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
> >others but as a learning experience for the future.
>
> >Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> Thanks for spreading news that Israel is a democratic country, where
> the above article was published in one othe biggest Israeli zionist
> newspaper - Yediot Akhronot. I wish other countries follow Israeli
> democratic tradition and wrote similar articules - the founder of
> communist Tcheka was Pole Felix Dzierzynski, Stalin was Georgian.

You are welcome. My posts are not meant to imply that only Jews were
Communists nor that all Jews were Communists. However, there were so
many Jewish Communists that discussions of crimes committed against
Jews should also include the crimes committed by Jews against others.

Maybe we should make a list of righteous Jews who resisted the
Communists and helped people who were persecuted by the Communists
just as the Jews make a list of righteous Christians who helped Jews
against the Nazis.

I have no doubt that the Polish people have no use for the Nazis or
the Communists and they know that while most Nazis were German far too
many Communists were Jews.

There were plenty of victims and perpetrators on all sides, including
the Swedish Nazi-collaborators.

Have a nice vegetarian day!



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On Nov 8, 6:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:



STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html

12-21-6	Excerpts only...

 "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
were Jewish.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
Communist party itself.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
-----------------------------------------------------
The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.

I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
all.

On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
hate site.

http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html

This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
others but as a learning experience for the future.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




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On Nov 8, 11:48 am, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> A Master's Degree in Relating Past Horrors to Generations Today
> Kyle James | =A9 Deutsche Welle.http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,=
2831199,00.html
>
> As the Holocaust recedes further into history and eyewitnesses die, a
> college in Berlin has designed a graduate degree course to teach students
> how to communicate the Nazi genocide to today's public.
>
> Seven graduate students sit around a table in a small seminar room at Tou=
ro
> College in a residential neighborhood of western Berlin. They're looking
> over a reading list while a professor explains the focus of the upcoming
> semester. The students' surroundings are almost idyllic; the small campus
> sits nestled among chestnut trees, the Havel River murmurs just steps awa=
y,
> and the sun is shining on the kind of cool, crisp day.
>
> But these seven graduate students are embarking on a course of study that
> will have them focused for the next two years on one of the most horrifyi=
ng
> events in the history of mankind, the murder of 6 million Jews by the Naz=
is.
>
> "I know it will be hard, but I'm prepared and I think I can handle it," s=
aid
> student Lisa K=F6nig-Hauff, 38, who already has a degree in history and
> politics from Cologne University. "It's important that we make the Holoca=
ust
> accessible to the general public."
>
> The new master's degree program at Touro College is called Holocaust
> Communication and Tolerance, and aims at teaching people how to best rela=
te
> the genocide to new generations, and who could later work, for example, in
> museums, in the media, or for memorial organizations.
>
> The 1940s are becoming ever more distant, Holocaust survivors and even th=
eir
> children are dying, and a new generation, raised in an age of digital
> multimedia, is less interested in learning history from dry recitations of
> facts and figures. In order to keep the Holocaust from fading in our publ=
ic
> memory, new ways at telling the story are needed, according to Andreas
> Nachama, director of Touro College's new Holocaust institute.
>
> "Those who work on Holocaust exhibitions often present everything that th=
ey
> know to the visitor," he said. "That can overwhelm people, who end up
> leaving empty-handed. That's one of our key points, to find the right amo=
unt
> of information to communicate."
>
> Telling the story
>
> In this first seminar, students will learn the factual basics of the
> Holocaust, from the beginnings of anti-Jewish laws in the Third Reich to =
the
> workings of industrial murder sites such as Auschwitz.
>
> Students will later explore strategies to communicate the Holocaust in
> exhibitions, publications and in the media, and study a wide range of
> Holocaust-related material -- everything from Charlie Chaplin's 1940
> Hitler-satire "The Great Dictator" to Internet offerings today. They will
> research theoretical aspects of memory and remembrance and get practical
> training, including an eight-week internship program next summer. They wi=
ll
> have a studio at their disposal where they can record interviews with
> eyewitnesses.
>
> "Telling the individual stories in my opinion makes more sense than
> communicating simple facts," said K=F6nig-Hauff. "And we need to learn to=
 use
> all the new media possibilities in telling about this."
>
> Besides looking at new ways of communicating the enormity of the genocide,
> students will conduct their own research, and college officials and
> professors hope that new information will be uncovered along the way.
> Although more than six decades have passed since the liberation of the de=
ath
> camps, there is still much to be learned.
>
> "For example, there is the connection between German companies and the
> exploitation and looting of predominately Jewish property," said Ingo Loo=
se,
> a professor who specializes in the economic aspects of the Third Reich and
> the Holocaust. "This discussion has begun 10 or 15 years ago and it's sti=
ll
> an open field to be discussed."
>
> He points to the documentary on German television at the end of September
> that exposed a history of Nazi profiteering and the use of slave labor by
> the Quandt family, leading industrialists during the Third Reich and now
> major shareholders in carmaker BMW.
>
> Touro College is a private liberal arts college that was founded in 1970 =
and
> named after Isaac Touro and his son Judah, major philanthropists in colon=
ial
> America. The college, based in New York, also has campuses in California,
> Israel, Russia and Berlin. Alongside the new Holocaust Communication
> program, the college offers a degree program in business administration t=
hat
> includes courses on American culture and a Judaic studies option.
>
> Holocaust fatigue
>
> Touro officials began considering the formation of the program several ye=
ars
> ago when a discussion began in Germany about Holocaust fatigue. Some
> wondered if it was time to put a little less focus on the events that to
> some seemed so long ago. A series of books and television programs came o=
ut
> that focused on Germans' role as victims during the war. And younger peop=
le
> were increasingly finding it harder to relate to the event, according to
> Wolfgang Benz, director of the Center for Anti-Semitism Research at Berli=
n's
> Technical University.
>
> "You just have to ask students, who'll immediately say 'yeah, we know all
> that already,'" he said. "There's a sense among some in the public that on
> TV you just see things about the Holocaust. There's a certain defensive
> attitude now."
>
> Still, he said Germany's schools and media handle this darkest part of the
> country's history well, in most cases. He does say one strategy sometimes
> used in Holocaust education -- piling guilt on younger generations about
> events they had nothing to do with -- is counterproductive, but he thinks
> training all teachers in appropriate ways to communicate the genocide wou=
ld
> be better than focusing on a handful of specialists.
>
> But specialization is exactly the goal of Guy Band, a 30-year-old Israeli
> starting at Touro who also works as a volunteer at Berlin's House of the
> Wannsee Conference, where Nazi officials planned the "Final Solution." He=
 is
> interested in learning how the Holocaust is perceived in Germany and how
> Germans have dealt with their past, since he comes to it from an Israeli
> perspective. He said he also thinks the Holocaust offers lessons for toda=
y=2E
>
> "We can take examples from the Holocaust and compare it to today," he sai=
d,
> "I think it's very important to see where things can go wrong, where they
> can become radicalized and where we have to say stop, we won't accept tha=
t=2E"

Will there be a class on the similarities of Nazi Germany and Nazi
Israel?

Have a nice vegetarian day!



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:05 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
Subject: Re: Yitzhak Arad - Israeli Holocaust researcher of war crimes during WWII is a suspected war criminal himself
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On Nov 8, 5:09 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> "RearGunner"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.219da7e2308d684898968f@west.usenet-news.net...
>
> > In article ,
> > onlytetr...@alltimes.yo says...
> >>http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx
>
> > Your link does not work!
>
>  And no archives on  that site, so the primary places you can find the story
> are Zundelsite and... David Icke.   Now there's a reliable source.
>
> Sure, I'll take the word of a guy who says we're controlled by reptoid
> shapeshifting aliens.   Why wouldn't I?
>
> -pk

I used "Yitzhak Arad war crimes" on MSN search and got numerous hits
proving that Cramer's report is factual.

Your and your "friends" credibility suffers when you deny things that
are this easy to prove.

Have a nice denier day!



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:05 EST 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
Subject: Re: Yitzhak Arad - Israeli Holocaust researcher of war crimes during WWII is a suspected war criminal himself
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On Nov 8, 8:34 pm, george  wrote:
> On Nov 9, 8:31 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 5:09 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>
> > > "RearGunner"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:MPG.219da7e2308d684898968f@west.usenet-news.net...
>
> > > > In article ,
> > > > onlytetr...@alltimes.yo says...
> > > >>http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx
>
> > > > Your link does not work!
>
> > >  And no archives on  that site, so the primary places you can find the story
> > > are Zundelsite and... David Icke.   Now there's a reliable source.
>
> > > Sure, I'll take the word of a guy who says we're controlled by reptoid
> > > shapeshifting aliens.   Why wouldn't I?
>
> > > -pk
>
> > I used "Yitzhak Arad war crimes" on MSN search and got numerous hits
> > proving that Cramer's report is factual.
>
> Riiiight.
> any thing coming from cramer is crap.
> and any source he quotes is either nazi sourced, holocaust denial or
> just an everyday hate site...

Right. Everyday hate site:
---------------------------
European Jewish Press
http://www.ejpress.org/article/20040

Lithuania wants to grill top Israeli historian over war crimes

VILNIUS (AFP)---Lithuania wants to grill leading Israeli Holocaust
historian Yitzhak Arad over his alleged role in war crimes against
civilians and prisoners during World War II, a prosecutor said
Tuesday.
---------------------------

This fits with the Iraeli report on Stalin's Jews:
---------------------------
STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html

 "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
were Jewish.
---------------------------

You figure :)








From -shoot-shiitskin-mozlims.@pislam.shiit.kr Mon Nov 12 20:46:06 EST 2007
Article: 1792766 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: "Vera Perks - aka Mirelle - 609 Turner St - Silverton - BC - V0G2B0 Canada - Phone 250-358-2727 - Date of Birth April 4 1954 - I offer free sex to those that don't mind fucking dirty grannies, just like Saul Perks" <-shoot-shiitskin-mozlims.@pislam.shiit.kr>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.religion.islam,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: Moslem Male prefers to fuck goat rather than  VERA PERKS (nee
                             MAHINA) "MIRELLE"    609 Turner   St. Silverton,
     BC,     V0G2B0       Canada,         Phone:       250-358-2727; Date
     of   Birth   April     4,   1954     THINKS SHE     IS     THE DICTATOR
           OF USENET!   - How's   your   'vibrator'     Saul Perks   ?
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Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a 
means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
> who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a 
> means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
>> who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a 
>> means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, Japan, 
>>> Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, 
>>> Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems. wrote:
>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, Japan, 
>>>>>>> Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, 
>>>>>>> Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems. wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, 
>>>>>>>> Japan, Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, 
>>>>>>>> China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems. 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>>>>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>>>>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, 
>>>>>>>>>> Japan, Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, 
>>>>>>>>>> China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin 
>>>>>>>>>> moslems. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to 
>>>>>>>>>>> supplement brutality as a means of bringing people under 
>>>>>>>>>>> subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Japan, Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> shitskin moslems. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplement brutality as a means of bringing people under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplement brutality as a means of bringing people under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosen the Chosen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as long as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera Perks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 609 Turner Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silverton, B.C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V0G 2B0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250-358-2727
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date of birth: April 4th, 1954
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinks that she is the Empress of Usenet, telling 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYONE what they can and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot post, she will get THIS:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera was told numerous times that for every instance of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her posting someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else's personal information, she should expect others 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post her personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite this, or perhaps BECAUSE of this, she continues 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post other people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information. The only conclusion that can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drawn from this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that VERA PERKS WANTS EVERYONE TO POST HER PERSONAL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INFORMATION!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is blatantly obvious that this is exactly what she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants everyone to do,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if she didn't want this, why would she have so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully provided us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with her own personal information on September 10th, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2006, when she shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it with the world in this posting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/d7b68b446ed7d729 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what do you say, folks? Who are we to deprive our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mirelle" what she so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desperately wants from us? Let's all post her 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and do this every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time she asks us to by way of her posting other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's information!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I plan to do this ten, twenty, perhaps a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hundred times for EACH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND EVERY instance of her posting other people's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information. Feel free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post her info as many times as you wish!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera Perks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 609 Turner Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silverton, B.C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V0G 2B0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250-358-2727
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date of birth: April 4th, 1954
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirty mohammadan whore !!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goats, molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a prophet !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera Mahina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 609 Turner Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silverton, B.C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V0G 2B0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250-3582727
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goats, molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a prophet !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's your 'vibrator' Saul Perks ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How's your 'vibrator' Saul Perks ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How's your 'vibrator' Saul Perks ?
>>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, 
>>>>>>>>> molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never 
>>>>>>>>> shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at 
>>>>>>>>> a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you 
>>>>>>>>> fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your 
>>>>>>>>> child off to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with 
>>>>>>>>> little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too could 
>>>>>>>>> become a prophet !!
>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, 
>>>>>>>> molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never 
>>>>>>>> shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a 
>>>>>>>> maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked 
>>>>>>>> to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off 
>>>>>>>> to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>>>>>>> prophet !!
>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>>>>>> prophet !!
>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>>>>> prophet !!
>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath, 
>> beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your 
>> ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry 
>> a nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, 
>> practice thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those 
>> and you too could become a prophet !!
> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath, 
> beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your 
> ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a 
> nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice 
> thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too 
> could become a prophet !!
HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath, 
beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your 
ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a 
nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice 
thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too 
could become a prophet !!


From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 20:46:34 EST 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.magyar
Subject: STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews - Re: Holocaust Calendar: November 8
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On Nov 8, 6:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:



STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html

12-21-6	Excerpts only...

 "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times
were Jewish.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was
responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is
surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced
collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments,
executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers,
intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members"
who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the
Communist party itself.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the
20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander
of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization
orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million
people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.
After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and
executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the
'bloodthirsty dwarf'."
-----------------------------------------------------
The article is significant because it appeared on a Jewish site and
the author is Jewish. If you look up the site, you will see that the
site and the author are attacked for being candid and truthful.

I am not about to let the likes of McVay, a paid purveyor of Zionazi
hate propaganda, get away with the portrayal of Jews as always the
victims and never the perpetrators because it is not true. Just as
there is an ugly side to the German and other Nazis, there is an ugly
side to Jewish and other Communists. A balanced discussion considers
all.

On alt.revisionism, we are dealings with mostly Zionazis and we should
not forget that most Jews are not like them. The author of this
article appears to be a man of conscience who wants to cope with the
ugly side of Jewish history. He will pay dearly for his candor because
the Zionazis will make sure of it. Many Jews of conscience have
irritated the Zionazis and the Zionazis list these people on their
hate site.

http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html

This an ugly Zionazi hate site used to attack decent Jews. In spite of
my revulsion with this Zionazi hate site it gives me hope to see that
there are so many decent Jews that these Zionazis hate. Maybe there is
a way for all decent people to look at history not as a weapon against
others but as a learning experience for the future.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




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On Nov 13, 2:05 am, "Neil Harrington"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1194877439.648129.37760@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > It appears that 90% of the filth comes from Ron Jacobson using a lot
> > of different aliases but most of his trolling is off this IP:
> > 192.74.137.71 US UNITED STATES  MASSACHUSETTS BOSTON SOFTWARE TOOL &
> > DIE THE WORLD
>
> > The other 5% comes from Salzman our tubby. I do not want to hurt the
> > pathetic thing's feelings so I say no more about Sara. It is best to
> > ignore her trolling also.
>
> > Without doubt, Jacobson is real filth and it is best to ignore his
> > posts but it gives me an idea some of you may be surprised to hear.
> > All this filth is coming not from a Jew but from Jacobson who is a
> > Swede. Is he trying to cleanse his soul of his Nazi collaborator past?
>
> > Very interesting and it may be worth to explore Jacobson's background
> > to find out what dirty little secrets he is trying to hide.
>
> Really, who cares? Jacobson is just piss on a rock, as the saying goes.
> Putting him and similar trash in your killfile greatly improves the quality
> and tone of the newsgroup, believe me.
>
> Whenever I do that I also take the option to automatically remove all posts
> from the killfiled person from my newsreader, which has the additional
> advantage of saving a great deal of space.

Maybe it is my newsreader that needs changing. Google does not support
blocking. I thin I asked what you use before but did not act on it.
What do you recommend? Thanks!




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On Nov 13, 12:52 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
wrote:
> On Nov 13, 4:54 am, Topaz  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >  In France, One Year Prison Sentence and Fine for 'Holocaust Denial'
> > Agence France Presse - EJPhttp://www. ejpress.org/article/21586
>
> > A 38-year-old French chemical engineer was sentenced this week to one
> > year in prison and fined 10,000 euros (14,600 dollars) for denying the
> > Holocaust. Vincent Reynouard was convicted by a criminal court in
> > Salerne, eastern France, for writing a 16-page pamphlet in 2005
> > entitled "Holocaust? The Hidden Facts." The work sent to museums and
> > city halls across France described as "an old propaganda theme" the
> > death of six million Jews during World War II, saying such an
> > extermination was "impossible." It was the heaviest sentence handed
> > down to date for Holocaust denial in France. He will have to pay 3,300
> > euros of damages to the plaintiffs.http://www.ihr.org/   http://www.natvan.com
>
> >http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
>
> >http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html 
>
> Alex:
> Waht do you mean they "Jews must go? Please be specific. And for the
> love of God, please not a rambling off topic, cut n paste response.

Can you tell us how it is OK for Jews to deny the Armenian Genocide
but not for others to deny the Jewish Genocide?

No off topic rambling, please.

Have a nice zionazi day!





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On Nov 13, 2:00 pm, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> http://www.ihr.org/rounduparchive/0502.shtml

Have a nice our tuppy is still as fat as a hippo day!



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On Nov 13, 2:29 pm, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>
> news:5ptm2fFt3kn3U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > great find Ben. now i can understand why the number of people turning gay
> > is on the rise. you need a box full of viagra to service those creatures.
> > they are reaLLY UGLY AS HELL
>
> That's about as good as it gets, I'm afraid.
>
> This salzman thing seems to think she's omnipotent and beyond reach. She's
> about to discover it's not a good thing to associate with arseholes who fuck
> with Cramer's bank accounts and identity details.

Under normal circumstances, I prefer a civil debate and do not believe
that the personal lives of people should be of anyone's concern. Each
post and each argument should stand on its merits. It should not make
any difference who posts it or the site the information originates.
Only thing that matters is the truth.

These ideals mean nothing for the likes of McVay, Jacobson, Salzman
and a few other zionazis posting here. Since they do not respect the
privacy of those, they do not agree with and use filth against those
they do not agree with, others are not bound to treat them any
different than they treat others. It is a sad state of affairs but
that is how it is.

Still, it is interesting that out of these three slimeballs, only one
is a Jew and he is the filthiest one. Jacobson is a Swede and probably
the child of Nazi-collaborators. It is so weird.

Have a nice vegetarian day!

>
> > "B'enjamin C'ramer"  schreef in bericht
> >news:FcWdnT1PF4BRA6TanZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee203/bencramer7/SaraSalzman.jpg
>
> >> Read about the fat slag here
>
> >>http://www.uchsc.edu/atp/files/Journeys%20Newsletters/Vol3.May2006.pdf




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On Nov 13, 8:14 pm, Eugene Holman  wrote:
> Cramer claims that the Kurds were gassed by the Iranians, despite all
> evidence indicating that the Iraqis pulled off that one. Now we get this
> new evidence from the source himself:
>
> Source:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/11/13/2007-11-13_in_bo...
> bi_agent_says_saddam_hussein_cr-2.html
>
> 
> 
> Source: The "Butcher of Baghdad" also confessed he ordered Kurdish
> civilians gassed and slaughtered thousands more, their remains left in
> mass graves.
> 
> 
>
> Sung to the the main theme of the fourth movement of Tchaikovsky's Fifth
> Symphony [http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/tchaikovsky_sym5_4a.mp3].
>
> Everybody hates Benjie Cramer.
> Nobody likes Benjie Cramer.
> The man's a jerk and a fool,
> I doubt he's ever gone to school.
>
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

This post does no credit to your reputation as a thoughtful and
intelligent poster for the pro-holo side. I see you as someone who is
above the personal bickering that goes on here. I used to read Smith's
anti-holo posts with the same interest as your pro-holo posts. Smith
is long gone and I suspect that he left because the level of posts hit
rock bottom, thanks mostly to all the filth put out by Ron Jacobson
using multiple aliases.

When you stopped posting, I assumed that you left as Smith left,
disgusted with the mindless filth that goes back and forth on
alt.revisionism. Seeing your post, I assumed that you came back to
restore some civility to alt.revisionism and present some well
composed arguments, maybe from your latest book :)

I am at a loss to understand your childish "poem" about Cramer. Cramer
is Cramer and he gives as good or bad as he gets. You are an
exceptionally educated person who can make his point without resorting
to personal attacks. You can do better.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




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On Nov 14, 1:05 pm, Eugene Holman  wrote:
> In article <1195033321.229588.32...@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>

> Actually, I am quite interested in the mindless filth. One of the themes
> that I have been researching is internet communication. One of the best
> ways to do research to participate in the phenomenon that you are
> studying. Hermeneutics is the term that is usually used.

Jacobson would be a better subject for your interest in mindless
filth. I am not saying that I would emulate Cramer's style but his
style is far less objectionable than Jacobson's. Jacobson uses
numerous aliases and talks filth about other people's families. Cramer
may call you and others names but does not cross the line when it
comes to families. There is a big difference.

However, I would hope that you would be better than Jacobson and
Cramer and that you could study mindless filth without immersing
yourself. In my humble estimation, you are the most educated person
posting to alt.revisionism, that puts some constraints on you, and
others do not have. It may be OK for TurkeyBoy to be nasty but not for
Dr. Holman.

>
> > Seeing your post, I assumed that you came back to
> > restore some civility to alt.revisionism and present some well
> > composed arguments, maybe from your latest book :)
>
> They'll be coming. But I also have a lighter side, as I hope you do,
> too.

I hope you do have a lighter side. My idea of a good controversial
list is where people exchange ideas and where we attack the ideas
presented, not the people presenting them. I gave up on that some time
ago but I figured you different. I was thinking how much better life
would be in America for all of us if more Black people were successful
and educated like you. I looked at you as an example of how we all
could function even while strongly disagreeing with each other. I
suppose life is full of disappointments.

>
> > I am at a loss to understand your childish "poem" about Cramer. Cramer
> > is Cramer and he gives as good or bad as he gets. You are an
> > exceptionally educated person who can make his point without resorting
> > to personal attacks. You can do better.
>
> Thanks for your kind words. Cramer's infantile tantrums when he is
> proven wrong have their humorous dimension. I want to share my
> amusement, lest I bust a gut.
>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> Thanks. Read my discussion of gas chambers for a more orthodox type of
> posting.

I am sure that it is well composed as it usually is. The problem is
that there are probably equally well-composed arguments for the other
side. Irving said that he does not know much about the holocaust and
neither do I. It does not interest me. I think that in all
probability, there was a Jewish Genocide but I would not swear to it.
I believe that even in Germany, it is not against the law to say that
I do not know.

I am much more interested in the other things that happened before,
during and after the war. There were victims and perpetrators an all
sides and I give no pass to either side.

Have a nice vegetarian day!



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On Nov 14, 7:34 am, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in messagenews:13jjrv8dseqkt40@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > In article ,
> > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a liar and coward,
> >  wrote:
>
> >>  1.. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo
> >> offered all European
>
> > I am not a revisionst,
>
> Oh, but you are, faigelah. You're revising history on a daily basis.

Only as long as the paycheck is on time :)



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Prophets Outcast: A Century of Dissident Jewish Writing About Zionism and Isreal
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On Nov 14, 4:27 am, "snow"  wrote:
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9...
>
> Synopsis
> Contrary to the claims of the American Jewish establishment and the Israel lobby, Jews do not speak with one voice about the Middle East. Since the early twentieth century some of the fiercest and most eloquent critiques of Israel and Zionism have been made by Jewish thinkers. They have hailed from political and intellectual traditions-Zionism (Hannah Arendt), anti-Zionism (Maxim Rodinson), anarchism (Noam Chomsky), and Marxism (I. F. Stone). Unconditional supporters of the state of Israel have denounced them as heretics. Yet in the midst of the violence engulfing Palestine and Israel, their warnings about the Zionist project, with its vision of an ethnically pure Jewish state, have never seemed more prescient. These prophets outcast speak out as individuals in a wilderness, proposing solutions to the question of Palestine that range from a two-state solution to socialist internationalism. What links them is an understanding that Israeli policies have been a disaster not only for Palestinians, but for Jews as well. As Jews, they express a recognition of the tragic thread that connects the Palestinian catastrophe to the Holocaust, the destruction of European Jewry that made Israel possible, and that led many Jews to view Zionism as their only salvation.

Much of what zionazis label "antisemitism" is people's normal
revulsion to Israel's nazi like treatment of Palestinians. Decent Jews
oppose Nazi Israel just as much as others do. If these decent Jews
prevail, there can be peace for Jews and Palestinians in the Middle
East. Zionazis, especially those non-Jews who spew hatred form the
safety of US do not want peace, only destruction. There has to be a
solution that is fair to both sides.

Have a nice vegetarian day!



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:41 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Expected better from Dr. Holman - Re: Ben Cramer shown to be the 
	fool yet again
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On Nov 15, 12:22 am, "snow"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1195033321.229588.32450@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 8:14 pm, Eugene Holman  wrote:
> >> Cramer claims that the Kurds were gassed by the Iranians, despite all
> >> evidence indicating that the Iraqis pulled off that one. Now we get this
> >> new evidence from the source himself:
>
> >> Source:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/11/13/2007-11-13_in_bo...
> >> bi_agent_says_saddam_hussein_cr-2.html
>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Source: The "Butcher of Baghdad" also confessed he ordered Kurdish
> >> civilians gassed and slaughtered thousands more, their remains left in
> >> mass graves.
> >> 
> >> 
>
> >> Sung to the the main theme of the fourth movement of Tchaikovsky's Fifth
> >> Symphony [http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/tchaikovsky_sym5_4a.mp3].
>
> >> Everybody hates Benjie Cramer.
> >> Nobody likes Benjie Cramer.
> >> The man's a jerk and a fool,
> >> I doubt he's ever gone to school.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Eugene Holman
>
> > This post does no credit to your reputation as a thoughtful and
> > intelligent poster for the pro-holo side. I see you as someone who is
> > above the personal bickering that goes on here. I used to read Smith's
> > anti-holo posts with the same interest as your pro-holo posts. Smith
> > is long gone and I suspect that he left because the level of posts hit
> > rock bottom, thanks mostly to all the filth put out by Ron Jacobson
> > using multiple aliases.
>
> > When you stopped posting, I assumed that you left as Smith left,
> > disgusted with the mindless filth that goes back and forth on
> > alt.revisionism. Seeing your post, I assumed that you came back to
> > restore some civility to alt.revisionism and present some well
> > composed arguments, maybe from your latest book :)
>
> > I am at a loss to understand your childish "poem" about Cramer. Cramer
> > is Cramer and he gives as good or bad as he gets. You are an
> > exceptionally educated person who can make his point without resorting
> > to personal attacks. You can do better.
>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> I agree that it was a low hit from Mr. Holman, I personally still consider
> him to be one of the most educated and outspoken person in this group. Even
> though I may not agree with him, his information is often insightful and has
> lots of content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_licet_Iovi,_non_licet_bovi

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi is a Latin phrase, literally meaning
"What is legitimate for Jove (Jupiter) is not legitimate for oxen."
and often translated as "Gods may do what cattle may not". It
indicates the existence of a double standard (justifiable or
otherwise), and essentially means "what is permitted to one person or
group, is not permitted to everyone." The phrase was created by
Terence, a playwright of the Roman Republic.

It was a disappointment for me because I think very highly of him. I
would like to paraphrase the classic phrase to say that conduct that
is acceptable for trash (Jacobson is a good example) is not acceptable
for people of distinction. I am not comparing Dr. Holman to Jacobson,
only setting up the lowest parameter of human behavior.

I see nothing objectionable to Cramer sticking it to the pro-holo
crowd who constantly pick on him but I asked him on more than one
occasion to treat Dr. Holman with more respect. However, this is the
Internet and people speak as they please, including Dr. Holman. Dr.
Holman's post puzzles me because he is the only person who commands
respect from the pro-holo and anti-holo side. I cannot think another
person in his position.

Have a nice vegetarian day!



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 22:48:41 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews must go
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:17:59 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 13, 6:16 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
wrote:
> On Nov 13, 6:13 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 12:52 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 4:54 am, Topaz  wrote:
>
> > > >  In France, One Year Prison Sentence and Fine for 'Holocaust Denial'
> > > > Agence France Presse - EJPhttp://www. ejpress.org/article/21586
>
> > > > A 38-year-old French chemical engineer was sentenced this week to one
> > > > year in prison and fined 10,000 euros (14,600 dollars) for denying the
> > > > Holocaust. Vincent Reynouard was convicted by a criminal court in
> > > > Salerne, eastern France, for writing a 16-page pamphlet in 2005
> > > > entitled "Holocaust? The Hidden Facts." The work sent to museums and
> > > > city halls across France described as "an old propaganda theme" the
> > > > death of six million Jews during World War II, saying such an
> > > > extermination was "impossible." It was the heaviest sentence handed
> > > > down to date for Holocaust denial in France. He will have to pay 3,300
> > > > euros of damages to the plaintiffs.http://www.ihr.org/http://www.natvan.com
>
> > > >http://www.thebirdman.orghttp://www.nsm88.com/
>
> > > >http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
>
> > > Alex:
> > > Waht do you mean they "Jews must go? Please be specific. And for the
> > > love of God, please not a rambling off topic, cut n paste response.
>
> > Can you tell us how it is OK for Jews to deny the Armenian Genocide
> > but not for others to deny the Jewish Genocide?
>
> > No off topic rambling, please.
>
> > Have a nice zionazi day!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Turkey:
> The American genocide was not that bad. American Jews killed
> 88,500,000 gentiles in 2002- 2003 because their Talmud told them to do
> so.  I learned all this on the internet.

If you think that the Armenian Genocide was funny, the Jewish Genocide
was even more hilarious. The Nazis did not kill anyone and the camps
were luxurious accommodations. I learned all this on the internet.
Glad we agree :)

Have a nice zionazi day!



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On Nov 14, 10:22 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
wrote:
> On Nov 12, 8:23 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > It appears that 90% of the filth comes from Ron Jacobson using a lot
> > of different aliases but most of his trolling is off this IP:
> > 192.74.137.71 US UNITED STATES  MASSACHUSETTS BOSTON SOFTWARE TOOL &
> > DIE THE WORLD
>
> > The other 5% comes from
>
> Nice math there Turkey. Are you sure that you want to postion your
> tribe as educated? Just checking.
>
>
>
> > Without doubt, Jacobson is real filth and it is best to ignore his
> > posts but it gives me an idea some of you may be surprised to hear.
> > All this filth is coming not from a Jew but from Jacobson who is a
> > Swede. Is he trying to cleanse his soul of his Nazi collaborator past?
>
> Guess that Ron has hit a nerve, huh Turkey? All you have, I repeat ALL
> you have is to call his posts "filth". The majority of us call his
> posts "facts".

You zionazis are in a lot of trouble if Jacobson's filth and Salzman
perversion are the best you have :)


>
> Have a nice "hate the jews" day!
>
>
>
> > Very interesting and it may be worth to explore Jacobson's background
> > to find out what dirty little secrets he is trying to hide.
>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:37 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Prophets Outcast: A Century of Dissident Jewish Writing About 
	Zionism and Isreal
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On Nov 15, 5:10 pm, "snow"  wrote:
> "It's all a bit strange"  wrote in
> messagenews:Xns99E8B0E931E24TBAnoonecarescom@85.214.90.228...
>
>
>
>
>
> > TurkeyBoy  wrote in
> >news:1195062975.189972.155990@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> On Nov 14, 4:27 am, "snow"  wrote:
> >>>http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=
> > 9.
> >>> ..
>
> >>> Synopsis
> >>> Contrary to the claims of the American Jewish establishment and the
> >>> Israel lobby, Jews do not speak with one voice about the Middle East.
> >>> Since the early twentieth century some of the fiercest and most
> >>> eloquent critiques of Israel and Zionism have been made by Jewish
> >>> thinkers. They have hailed from political and intellectual
> >>> traditions-Zionism (Hannah Arendt), anti-Zionism (Maxim Rodinson),
> >>> anarchism (Noam Chomsky), and Marxism (I. F. Stone). Unconditional
> >>> supporters of the state of Israel have denounced them as heretics.
> >>> Yet in the midst of the violence engulfing Palestine and Israel,
> >>> their warnings about the Zionist project, with its vision of an
> >>> ethnically pure Jewish state, have never seemed more prescient. These
> >>> prophets outcast speak out as individuals in a wilderness, proposing
> >>> solutions to the question of Palestine that range from a two-state
> >>> solution to socialist internationalism. What links them is an
> >>> understanding that Israeli policies have been a disaster not only for
> >>> Palestinians, but for Jews as well. As Jews, they express a
> >>> recognition of the tragic thread that connects the Palestinian
> >>> catastrophe to the Holocaust, the destruction of European Jewry that
> >>> made Israel possible, and that led many Jews to view Zionism as their
> >>> only salvation.
>
> >> Much of what zionazis label "antisemitism" is people's normal
> >> revulsion to Israel's nazi like treatment of Palestinians. Decent Jews
> >> oppose Nazi Israel just as much as others do. If these decent Jews
> >> prevail, there can be peace for Jews and Palestinians in the Middle
> >> East. Zionazis, especially those non-Jews who spew hatred form the
> >> safety of US do not want peace, only destruction. There has to be a
> >> solution that is fair to both sides.
>
> >> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> > once again turkeyBOY makes sure that the Palestinians are always the
> > victims
>
> How about you read that book before you open your mouth. how about you read
> anything except posts in this group.

It is best to ignore Jacobson, the filthy troll.

Have a nice vegetarian day!



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From: TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, soc.culture.israel, soc.history
Subject: Whose truth do you want?
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One need not always question the information presented by the pro-holo
and anti-holo sides because there is a good chance that most of the
information is true or mostly true.

People did and do horrible things to each other and we should be very
suspicious of those who come to us pretending to be the victims,
always the victims and never the perpetrators. They would be lying
because that is not how people behave.

There is reason to believe that those who would deny others the right
to present their side of the truth are probably not telling us the
truth about their own side.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




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From: TurkeyBoy 
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On Nov 16, 4:47 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
> On Nov 15, 11:58 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > One need not always question the information presented by the pro-holo
> > and anti-holo sides because there is a good chance that most of the
> > information is true or mostly true.
>
> No, there is almost an assurance that "information" from denier sites
> is trash or lies, or both.

Are you are talking about the ADL denier trash and lies or the hate
and filth spewed by your zionazi friends?


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From: TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Re: Yids and communism -
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On Nov 18, 6:11 am, "B'enjamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> The American Army Intelligence Service had its agents in  Russia at the time
> of the Communist Revolution, and the Jewish nature of that revolution is
> accurately reflected in those reports.
>
> An American Senate subcommittee investigation into the Russian Revolution
> heard evidence, put on congressional record, that "(I)n December 1919, under
> the presidency of a man named Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) . . . out of the 388
> members of the Bolshevik central government, only 16 happened to be real
> Russians, and all the rest (with the exception of a Negro from the U.S.)
> were Jews" (U.S. Senate Document 62, 1919).

We can argue about details and numbers but the German Nazi and Jewish
Communist crimes are pretty much a wash. Nazi Israel is a lot like
Nazi Germany was. It just shows that history always repeats itself
with different players.

The Germans do not whine about their misfortunes (the rich bastards
are doing better than anyone else :) while the zionazis' whining is
getting louder and louder.

Have a nice vegetarian day with less whining!


From ataturkey@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:00:39 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
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On Nov 18, 10:06 am, RearGunner  wrote:
> In article  @y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, atatur...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > We can argue about details and numbers but the German Nazi and Jewish
> > Communist crimes are pretty much a wash.
>
> When both took over they both killed Jews.

Stalin's Jewish Communists may have killed some Jews but most of their
victims were not Jews. The ten million Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's
Jewish Communists were not Jews. Who do the Ukrainians go for
compensation?




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:19 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
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On Nov 20, 7:11 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a Liar of Monumental Proportions
> and completely lacking in courage,  wrote:
>
> >-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> >      Jewish Communists:
>
> How many Jewish Communists were there?
> How many non-Jewish Communists were there?
> What crimes did they commit?

These are some of the stupidest zionazi questions McVay has comer up
to date.

Normally, I find distasteful arguments trying to pretend that the
Jewish Genocide did not happen. However, the Armenian Genocide denial
of Nazi Israel, the ADL scumbags and the denial of Jewish Communist
crimes justify the anti-holo propaganda if for no other reason, to
stick it to the lying zionazis and their paid agents, such as McVay.
Denial is denial and if one is to be condemned, so should the other or
else anything is fair.

Have a nice paid zionazi hate propaganda day!


From ataturkey@hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:29:21 EST 2007
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From: TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Re: Another Holycaust Story Bites The Dust.
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This is typical of zionazi exaggerations and lies. The Poles had the
misfortune of being abused by the Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Jewish
Communists and they often speak of the horrors they endured from both.
The Poles get in trouble when they speak of the horrors inflicted upon
them by Stalin's Jewish Communists because zionazis deny every wrong
done by Jews while exaggerating every wrong done against Jews.

The zionazis call "anti-Semites" and "Nazis" those who oppose zionazi
lies and propaganda. However, calling a Pole Nazi is about as stupid
as a zionazi can get.

The Poles fought the Nazis, unlike those Jews and Swedish Nazi-
collaborators who helped the Nazis run the concentration camps :)

On Nov 20, 3:10 am, "127.0.0.1" <127.0....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 1600 Jews were burned alive in a barn in Poland.
>
> In 2001 a Polish Jew named Jan Gross, who teaches history at Princeton,
> wrote a book and said that in July of 1941, when the Germans took
> Poland from the Russians, a town went mad with vengeance. Gross claims
> that a handful of bloodthirsty Poles killed 1600 Jews.
>
> The Jewish Tale
>
> Jedwabne was occupied by Russians from 1939 to July of 1941, and then the Germans took the town.
>
> Germans allowed the Polish citizens to go on a rampage against the Jews. The Poles went house to house with nail studded clubs, beat 75 boys to death , and then they brought all the Jews into the town square. They started raping the women, trampling babies to death, gouging men's eyes out, cutting their tongues out, and stoning children.  One group cut off a women's head, and Polish children kicked it around as in a game.
>
> They forced 40 to take Lenin's statue to a barn and bury it, after which they axed the Jews to death, and threw the body parts in a pit. The finale was when they locked 1600 Jews into a barn, and burned them alive. Mothers trying to flee, ran to the river and drowned themselves, and their babies, as the town watched, sang, and drank.
>
> Exhumation Ordered
>
> The government started an  exhumation, supposedly found 3 skulls with bullet holes, and German ammo casings. Rabbis from Israel and America, who act as religious authorities of the Polish Jewish community, stopped the proceedings on religious grounds.
>
> =======
> Uh, huh, Just as soon as the evidence doesn't support these wild
> allegations of yid persecution, have the investigation halted and stick
> to the original claims..
> ======
>
> What Really Happened
>
> The Russian Bolshevik NKVD occupied Jedwabne from Oct 1939, until May of 1941. During that time the Jewish citizens of Jedwabne took over gentile's businesses, stole their property, and harassed them.
>
> Russia Decimates Polish Towns
>
> When the Russians occupied a town they would kill off, or ship out, the intelligentsia. Teachers, politicians, doctors, and their families were put on transports out, as standard practice, and Jedwabne would be no different. The town's Jews helped in the selection.
>
> The Germans Overrun The Russians
>
> In June of 1941 the Germans arrived and occupied the town. They
> force ten Jews to take down statue of Lenin in the town square and put
> it in a barn.  A few NKVD Jews were charged as partisan saboteurs and
> the Germans executed them. The town said nothing.
>
> Much more on this at the url below
>  http://judicial-inc.biz/jedwabne.htm



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From: TurkeyBoy 
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On Nov 20, 1:21 pm, ZalekBl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:19:03 -0800 (PST), TurkeyBoy
>
>  wrote:
> >This is typical of zionazi exaggerations and lies. The Poles had the
> >misfortune of being abused by the Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Jewish
> >Communists and they often speak of the horrors they endured from both.
> >The Poles get in trouble when they speak of the horrors inflicted upon
> >them by Stalin's Jewish Communists because zionazis deny every wrong
> >done by Jews while exaggerating every wrong done against Jews.
>
> >The zionazis call "anti-Semites" and "Nazis" those who oppose zionazi
> >lies and propaganda. However, calling a Pole Nazi is about as stupid
> >as a zionazi can get.
>
> >The Poles fought the Nazis, unlike those Jews and Swedish Nazi-
> >collaborators who helped the Nazis run the concentration camps :)
>
> Yep - you really know history. Uprising in Getto Warsaw ond other
> gettos was done by Poles dressed as Jews.

The Jewish uprising was a minor event compared to the Polish Warsaw
Uprising:

http://www.warsaw-life.com/poland/warsaw-1944-uprising

It is disgraceful that zionazi propaganda tries to give the minor
Jewish uprising more recognition than to the heroic resistance of
Polish patriots against the Nazis. The above link gives the history of
the Polish uprising as well as its betrayal by Zionist influenced
Roosevelt.

With a few exceptions, Jews have totally submitted to the Nazis and
collaborated with them shamefully. Only after the hostilities have
ended did the Jews invent themselves as resistance fighters. It may be
a testimony to the power of Jewish media but not to Jewish bravery
against the Nazis.

The Swedes present another case of Nazi collaborators selling
themselves as Nazi resisters after the hostilities. They have totally
submitted to Hitler's every whim in converting their industry to serve
the Nazis and allowed free access across Sweden for the Nazis to
attack the Norwegians. Swedes kissing up to zionazis will not wash
away their shame. They need to ask the Norwegians for forgiveness for
the harm they did to them with their dastardly Nazi collaboration.

None of them can compare to the Polish people in gallantry in
resisting the Nazis and the Communists.

Have a nice vegetarian day!

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