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From: (Albrecht Kolthoff)
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:53:56 +0200
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Fergus McClelland wrote:

> (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>>But, do not forget: "revisionists" always claim that
>>they support free speech...
>Speaking of support for free speech: What is your opinion of the
>arrest in Germany of Frederick Toben for the contents of his website
>in Australia?

What's your evidence that Fredrick Töben was arrested for the contents of
his website in Australia? As far as I know, Mr Töben was arrested in
Mannheim, Germany, because he wanted to be arrested there.

>From Töben's travel diary:

	"I have no intention of breaking German law but I do want to
	talk to judges, prosecutors and others about the ban, I want
	to challenge the authorities there on the freedom of speech
	issue," Dr. Töben said.
	He has an appointment to see one German judge on April 9 and
	hopes to meet others.
	...Next missive from Germany....wish me luck.

Note that he wanted to "challenge the authorities".

And note also, that according to Töbens "travel diary", especially his
entry from Friday, 26th March 1999 (see URL above) he made up a quarrel
with a court in Berlin. Mr. Toben definitely wasn't arrested out of the
blue. Seems to me he was seeking to be a martyr for whatever reason or

Hasta la vista

Albrecht Kolthoff
Dortmund, Germany

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