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From!hmazal  Thu Jun 27 11:16:16 1996
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:11:08 -0500 (CDT)
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[Query from Ken Lewis]

"The letter in question was written by Speer in May 1977 to the Executive
Director of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies in response to a
request to affirm what he knew about the mass killings in order to prevent
publication of 'The Myth of the Twentieth Century.'"

[Mr. Mazal]

I have found some information that will demonstrate Mr. Weber's mendacity. 
Sorry for the delay but it takes  time to run down some of the references; my 
library  is in a bit of disarray...

> [text deleted] we've put years into some of this sort of thing.

To say the least. Fortunately we all know that Mr. Raven,  Mr. Weber and
their ilk never:

a) Quote the exact text that they refer to in their slanderous attacks.

b) Give references, page numbers or anything else that might help their
readers search out the original documents.

c) Ever admit their naughtiness when they are caught out in a lie.  Case
in point: 

[Mr. Lewis]
>> On a WEB page at Mark
>> Weber has an article on Speer in which he quotes from this letter. Whether a
>> true quote or not, I believe it was taken out of context. He further goes on
>> to accuse Simon Wiesenthal of lying in a notarized statement.

>> Gitta Senerey in her book 'Albert Speer: His Battle for the Truth' claims to
>> have translated the entire letter as it was given to her by Speer but only
>> quotes the portion where he admitted for the first time that he did know
>> what was going on.

See Notes (1) and (2)  below

>> Mark Weber uses Speer's alleged lack of knowledge as strong evidence
>> against the planned extermination.

See notes (3) and (4)  below.


>> I don't have Sereny's book here at work so can't quote her rendering of
>> Speer's acknowledgement but it is contained in the last chapter titled (I
>> think) The Great Lie.

[Mr. Mazal]

I have it and one other book that is equally damning of Mr. Weber's attempt
to hoodwink the innocent:

Books quoted:

(A)        _Albert Speer: His Battle with Truth_
                Gitta Sereny
                c. 1955, Alfred A. Knopf
                ISBN 0-394-52915-4

(B)        _Albert Speer: The End of a Myth_
                Matthias Schmidt
                Originally published as _Albert Speer: das ende eines Mythos
                c. 1982, Scerz Verlag, Bern and Munich
                English translation byJoachim Neugroschel
                c. 1984, St. Martin's Press
                ISBN 0-312-01709

For brevity, when quoting from the above I will use the book code 
accompanied by the page number(s). i.e. (A-707). My comments are
in [brackets]. Authors italics are in *asterisks*

Note 1: A-706-709

     "In a review Speer once brought out to show me [Sereny], Lucy
Davidowicz had written, 'What his diaries do not mention, are any
sleepless nights ... or dreams about Auschwitz.'

     'But that is exactly what *does*  give me sleepless nights,'  he
said, sounding very weary. This was the last day of our original 
three weeks together.

     'I think I know what you knew about the Jews, ' I said, 'But could
you yourself not go a little further?' 

     He had known this question would come up that day. 'I can say,' he
said slowly, that I sensed (*dass ich ahnte*) ... that dreadful things were
happening with the Jews...'  This was no longer the man I had found
glib, smooth and almost theatrically charming when we first met. Deadly
serious, deeply tired, there was not a shred of glibness left.

     But if you 'sensed,' I said,  'then you knew. You cannot sense or 
suspect in a void. You knew.' 

     He was silent for a long moment, then he got up, went into his study
and came back with a piece of paper. 'Read this.  Do as you wish with it;
and then let us speak of it no more.' 

     In April 1977, Speer received a letter from D. Diamond, director
of the South African (Jewish) Board of Deputies, asking him to assist
the Board in their legal action against the publishers and distributors
of the pamphlet   *_Did Six Million Die? The Hoax of the Twentieth
Century_* to prevent its distribution in South Africa.

     The request to Speer was that he should affirm on oath that:
a) contrary to what the pamphlet claimed, there had indeed been a plan
to exterminate the Jews of Europe; b) that he had heard of this plan and
could testify that it existed; c) that it was implemented and how he knew
that it was implemented.

     Speers affidavit in reply, which I translated from his original German,
consisted of three pages in which, point after point, he described the
background to the exterminations and the devastating admissions of
those directly implicated accused at the Nuremberg trial. After paying,
as often before,  a tribute to Nuremberg as an attempt to create a 
better world, he ended with the most revealing words he had ever

            'I still recognize today that the grounds upon which I was
        convicted by the International Military Tribunal were
        correct. More than this, I still consider it essential today
        to take upon myself the responsibility, and thus the blame
        in general, for all crimes which were committed after I
        became a member of Hitler's government on February 8,
        1942. It is not individual acts or omissions, however grave,
        which weigh upon me, but my conduct as pasrt of the
        leadership.  This is why I accepted an overall responsibility
        in the Nuremberg trial and reaffirm this now.

             *However, to this day I still consider my main guilt to
        be my tacit acceptance (Billigung) of the persecution and
        murder of millions of Jews* (author's italics).

     With those words, especially the hard-to-trannslate *Billigung*,
Speer associated himself for the first time directly with the murder of
the Jews. Three months later, when *_Die Zeit Magazin_*, the color
supplement of Germany's influential weekly, obtained the German
rights to my profile of Speer, the contract provided that the 
retranslation into German would be rechecked with Speer, and
most specifically this last paragraph.

     Just as he had not registered any objection when I had given
him the English draft to read, here again he accepted the profile 
as written, except that in a handwritten note to  *_Die Zeit_*    he
asked for a footnote to be written in which he explained the term
'*Billigung*' which I translated as  'tacit consent' to mean
'looking away, not by knowledge of an order or its execution. 
The first,' he wrote,  'is as grave as the second.' 

     'Why did you say this so directly now, after denying it for so
long?' I asked him.  He shrugged. 'For this purpose, and with these
people,' he said,  'I didn't wish to -- I couldn't -- hedge. (*wollte
ich nicht -- komte ich nicht -- handeln.*)

     If Speer had said so much in Nuremberg, he would have been 

Note 2: B-195 & B-250

     "In 1977, Speer took a further step within the framework of his
self accusations when he stated:  'I still see my guilt as residing
chiefly in the approval of the persecution of the Jews and the
murder of millions of them.'  (FN 68) 

(FN 68) Sworn affidavit by Albert Speer, 6/15/1977. Quoted in 
'Aus Politik und Zeitgeschichte,' supplement to the weekly
newspaper   *_Das Parlament_*  (July 28, 1978.)."

Note 3: B-196-197 & B-250

     "Once, however, Speer's foundation of honorableness seemed
to quake seriously, and his white cloak of ignorance about the
Holocaust turned pitch-black. In 1971, the American historian
Erich Goldhagen [Pofessor of History at Harvard andfather of 
Daniel Jonah Goldhagen who recently wrote _Hitler's Willing
Executioners_] appeared to be able to prove that the former
Minister of Armaments and now world-famous author of best
sellers had   known more than he had been willing to admit.
(FN 70)  On October 6, 1943, Heinrich Himmler had addresed
a meeting of the Gauleiters and Reichsleiters in Poznan; the
SS Reichsfuhrer specifically discussed the topic of the Final
Solution, even though it was taboo. One of the passages that
Goldhagen quoted from that speech went as follows:

             'I must ask you only to listen to what I tell you in
        this group and never to speak about it. We were asked:
        What about the women and children? I made up my mind
        to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel
        I had the right to exterminate the men -- i.e. kill them
        or have them killed -- while allowing the children to
        grow up and take revenge on our sons and grandsons.
        We had to reach the difficult decision of making this
        nation disappear from the face of the earth. (FN 71)

     Goldhagen comments: 'One of the men to whom Himmler
revealed the great secret was Albert Speer.' For, the 
American professor concludes, Speer attended this conference
of the Gauleiters and Reichsleiters. Speer talks about it in
_*Inside the Third Reich,_*  (FN 72) but omits any mention 
of Himmler's speech. Yet Himmler actually addressed Speer 

             'I have cleared out large Jewish ghettoes in the rear
        areas. In Warsaw, we have had four weeks of street
        fighting in a Jewish ghetto. Four weeks! We destroyed
        about seven hundred bunkers there. This entire ghetto
        was producing fur coats, dresses, and the like. Whenever
        we tried to get at it in the past we were told: Stop!
        Armamnents factory!  Of course, this has nothing to do with 
        Party Comrade Speer. You can do nothing in this
        connection. It is this portion of alleged armaments
        factories that Party Comrade Speer and I intend to 
        clear out in the next few weeks and months. We will
        do this as unsentimentally as all things must be done
        in the fifth year of the war -- unsentimentally but with 
        a large heart for Germany.' 

     Speer, as Goldhagen points out, does not deny participating
at this meeting, but 'he says nothing, simply nothing, about
Himmler's speech, much less about Himmler's presence. He
secretly washed his hands clean of the blood of those to whose
deaths he contributed, and he remorsefully beats his breast with
his sdeemingly clean hands: 'I am a murderer, even though I
neither saw, nor heard, nor knew about the deaths of my
victims.'  It is, to put it mildly, a despicable spectacle."  
(FN 74)

(FN 70)  Cf. Erich Goldhagen,  _Albert Speer, Himmler und
das Geheimnis der Endlosung_.  Reprinted in Adelbert
Reif, _*Kontroversen*_  pp. 383-394

(FN 71)  Quoted *ibid* pp 387f.

(FN 72)   Cd. Speer,  _*Inside the Third Reich*_,  pp. 373f.
(FN 73)   Quoted in Reif, _*Kontroversen*_, pp. 388f

(FN 74)   *Ibid*.,  p. 390

Note 4:  1-393

     "Six and a half years earlier, in October 1971, a Harvard Professor,
Erich Goldhagen, had launched a bitter attack on Speer in the American
magazine    _*Midsteam*_.  In an article titled, 'Albert Speer, Himmler
and the Secret of  the Final Solution,'  Goldhagen had claimed that
Himmler's direct address to Speer was clear proof that he was present
when it was given, this giving the lie to his continuing claim of ignorance
about the murder of Europe's Jews.  Goldhagen said it established his
full complicity and the hypocrisy of his admission of generalized
rather than specific guilt at Nuremberg and ever since." 

While Speer denies having been in Posen at the time the speech was
given by Himmler, and he produces affidavits from witnesses that
he had left at noon of the day of the speech, there is considerable
evidence to show that Speer was indeed there.   Both Sereny and
Schmidt come to this same conclusion by independent means. 

There is considerably more written on this, but I think it should
be enough.  

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