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From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Fri May  3 08:34:38 PDT 1996
Article: 34406 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Rekindle the ovens, man
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 07:28:22 -0800
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To: chuck ferree 

chuck ferree wrote:
> >chuck ferree wrote:
> >> >If you have even a scrap of proof that Zyklon B was used to gas humans in
> >> >Poland and/or
> >> >Germany, please provide it.
> >>
> >> I have plenty of proof, it's everywhere.
> >
> >Great! Produce it and then we can all go home.
> 
> You prove that it didn't happen. I don't have to prove anything.

That's generally not the way it works. You have made a positive assertion, that being that 
you have plenty of proof. I simply asked for that proof. 

By the way, it is not possible to prove a negative -- no one can prove that something did 
not happen. You have made a positive assertion that you have proof. Let's see it.

> >> >To the contrary, the Germans did care. Himmler himself issued an order
> >> >that the death rate of
> >> >inmates must be lowered.
> >>
> >> Crap! Lowered by how much? From 12 million to six million?
> >>
> >> Himmler himself lied just like you guys, and he ordered Jews to be
> >> exterminated.
> >
> >Great! Produce a copy of that order and we can all go home.
> 
> I don't have to prove anything to you.
> Go home, stay home, and leave me out of your life.

Then prove it to someone else, if you can. There's no need for you to focus on me all the 
time. Just present the proof that you say you have plenty of. This is really very simple.

--
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Sun May  5 01:32:25 PDT 1996
Article: 34851 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
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Subject: How many deaths were there at Auschwitz?
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 21:20:14 -0800
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Robert Faurisson's piece, "How many deaths were there at Auschwitz?", is 
now available on my Web site.

The URL is:

     http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/misc/auschwitz_deaths.html


-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Sun May  5 01:32:27 PDT 1996
Article: 34852 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
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Subject: A short introduction to Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 21:21:52 -0800
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Arthur Butz' excellent article, "A short introduction to Holocaust 
revisionism," is now available on my Web site.

The URL is:

     http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/misc/butz.html

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Thu May 16 12:13:35 PDT 1996
Article: 37175 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
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Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:55:06 -0800
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To: Ceacaa 

Ceacaa wrote:
>     I agree that the photographs of the Leichenkeller 1 Crema
> II look as if the roof has been totally broken into pieces that
> are incoherent without significant reconstruction.  However,
> my position is that the slab of the roof is a broken but
> understandable whole.  My position is supported by the Pressac
> pictures and available video.
>     I have tried to explain that the roof was composed of
> three layers, slab, asphalt and thin concrete cap.  The cap
> was severely broken during the demolition process.
> It is the broken cap which "appears" in the photographs
> not the more complete slab.
> 
>     CEACAA

Isn't it Faurisson's position that there are no holes in the roof over 
what was supposed to have been the "gas chamber"? I believe that is why 
he now says, "No holes, no Holcaust."

--
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From chuckf@rio.com Thu May 16 12:13:40 PDT 1996
Article: 37237 of alt.revisionism
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From: Chuck Ferree 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:13:42 +0000
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
There he goes again. The raven is gonna beat this dead horse until all 
Holocaust Survivors, Witnesses, Liberators, Historians, and other 
people with first hand or at least some scholorly approach are pushing 
up daisies. Raven, is strictly an antiSemitic person, who by the way 
makes good money selling his pro-Nazi propaganda. A charlatan if I 
ever heard of one. The man is in it for the bucks. He has admitted 
this, and also that he has no personal, on-hand experience with 
anything he advocates. So take anything the raven has to say with a 
large sip of good wine. He's a fucking liar.
Chuck

Greg Raven wrote:
> 
> Ceacaa wrote:
> >     I agree that the photographs of the Leichenkeller 1 Crema
> > II look as if the roof has been totally broken into pieces that
> > are incoherent without significant reconstruction.  
> he now says, "No holes, no Holcaust."

No Holocaust...the raven says. I say up his ass with a large boathook.
> 
> --
> Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
> PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Thu May 23 07:33:13 PDT 1996
Article: 38745 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:40:52 -0800
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To: Chuck Ferree 

Chuck Ferree wrote:
> Hold it asshole, I don't to claim to be an expert on anything. But I
> was in World War Two, I went into five main camps and several
> sub-camps, I saw the gas chambers, and the piled up dead bodies, and
> the trenches dug by bull dozers to bury forty or fifty thousand people
> at Belsen, by our British comrades in arms. Where did you get all of
> your wonderful knowledge? From revisionist slimey books, written by
> kooks, just like you.  And something else, pal, I can still fly
> multiple-engined air planes Piece of cake once you do it for several
> thousand hours.

In an earlier, different discussion, after I asked for for specifics of the gas 
chamber you claimed you saw at Dachau (the one that virtually no one else now 
claims to have seen, and which is generally agreed never to have existed), you 
waffled, first indignantly claiming that you had seen such a device, then 
admitting that you might not have seen it, then boldly claiming that I was wrong 
to question you because you are a veteran.

It's not that I don't trust your memory as much as the fact that the woman who for 
many years has been acknowledged as the expert on Dachau, Barbara Distel, tells me 
that there was no gas chamber at Dachau. I would appreciate it if you could clear 
up this matter for us.

> The wonder of it all is, not that some people can not comprehend the
> enormity of millions of innocent people being murdered by A. Hitler
> and his gang of Nazi thugs, no one really wants to believe that any
> people could possibly be so inhumane to so many other humans.

If only Hitler had used multi-engine bombers to murder thousands of innocent 
civilians instead of those disappearing gas chambers; he'd be a hero instead of 
Satan incarnate.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Thu May 23 07:33:14 PDT 1996
Article: 38746 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Diesel exhaust that looks like steam
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:02:58 -0800
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DvdThomas wrote:
> 
> M. Giwer wrote:
> 
>  It has been over a week now and the subject of ramifications of
> diesel exhaust looking like steam, that is the gas chambers
> becoming saturated with oil and being potential fuel air bombs
> while in operation, appears to have fallen into the "too hard"
> category for the holohuggers to deal with.

My apologies for coming in late, but has it been mentioned that a 
gasoline engine creates copious amounts of water as a by-product of 
combustion? I don't know if this is the same with diesel engines, but 
the chemistry should be similar.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From chuckf@rio.com Fri May 24 07:19:43 PDT 1996
Article: 38820 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Memoir and 'Revisionist' Insanity
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Greg Raven wrote:

Some of what this miserable shit says is true.
I did call him an asshole. I admit it and I told my priest about it, 
he gave me Three Hail Mary's and a beer.
I really meant it when I tried to tell this dipstick, that I don't 
claim to be an expert. Hell, I just barely got through medical school. 
I did mention in sort of  causual way that I had been in the war, but 
I didn't brag much about all the heroic things I had done.
He's also right about me seeing a gas chamber at Dachau. Many other 
GIs saw it too. Raven never saw anything first hand, he's just talking 
about some picture someone showed him of a gas chamber. He decided 
that what was a gas chamber at Dachau, wasn't really a gas chamber at 
all. In spite of the fact that this gas chamber had been used many 
times to kill inmates at Dachau. So damed if we didn't have an 
argument about this. I said what I saw was indeed a gas chamber. Raven 
said, not it ain't. I think he might have said it was the commandant's 
office or something silly like that. But it was a gas chamber, sort of 
a Mickey Mouse deal, but if they put you in there and threw in the 
pellets, you're a dead MF quick. So regardless of what Raven says, or 
even regardless of what the baron, idiot says. I saw the gas chamber 
at Dachau, April 29th. 1945.  That's it, pal, no more arguments, just 
plain old facts. Take 'um or leave 'um! Who cares!!!   :-)
> 
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
> > Hold it asshole, I don't to claim to be an expert on anything. But I
> > was in World War Two, I went into five main camps and several
> > sub-camps, I saw the gas chambers, and the piled up dead bodies, and
> > the trenches dug by bull dozers to bury forty or fifty thousand people
> > at Belsen, by our British comrades in arms. Where did you get all of
> > your wonderful knowledge? From revisionist slimey books, written by

all the bullshit clipped  O.K.???

> Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
> PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Thu May 30 07:33:36 PDT 1996
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From: Greg Raven 
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Subject: Zionism and the Third Reich
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:04:34 -0800
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Mark Weber's excellent article from the Journal of Historical Review, 
"Zionism and the Third Reich," is now available on my Web site. The URL 
is:

     http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/jhr/v13n4p29_Weber.html

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg



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