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Subject: A Question for Charles 
Summary: A point is offered in the hope "joebuck@ix.netcom.com" 
         will clarify them it us, in the interest of his personal integrity
Followups-To: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Cc: joebuck@ix.netcom.com

Archive/File: people/nyms/charles/charles-10q
Last-Modified: 1996/10/25

Sir... Your public remarks here on the net have raised a few
points which should be resolved. I have, in the interest of
resolution, provided a compilation here, and trust you will
make use of it, and provide clarification.

I will remind you from time to time, knowing how busy you must
be, by reposting these queries on a regular basis.

Question 1                                  October 25, 1996
------------------------------------------------------------

   In an article published on June 4, 1996, you included the 
   following claim:

      "Canadian economists estimate that a typical, smallish 
      'goy' (i,e, non-Jewish) Canadian family pays upwards of 
      $300.00 Canadian extra yearly to pay the salaries of rabbis 
      who ensure that many of the supermarket items they consume 
      are 'kosher.'" (Anon, Eat less)

   In response to immediate demands that you document that
   claim, you responded the following day, June 5th, with this
   remark:

      "A legitimate request. I'll look up the specific references 
      (names, dates of publication, etc.) as soon as I can get to 
      a library." (Anon. Re: KOSHER)

   Nizkor asked: "Given that General Foods has reported its cost was 6.5
   millionths of a penny to obtain kosher certification for a
   Birds-Eye product, and Heinz has reported that the cost `was
   so small we can't even calculate it,' do you still maintain
   that this `report' from `Canadian economists' exists, and
   that it substantiates your claim?" (Anon. dayan18, Re: KOSHER TAX)

   On October 25, 1996, you finally admitted that you had cited 
   fraudulent data:  

      "However, I nonetheless admit that your point is well-taken, 
      since I haven't, in fact, come up with the references to back up 
      the claim that kosher certification costs the typical Canadian 
      family about $300 per year. Thus, since I'm not able to support 
      the claim with such references, I hereby retract it."

   The question, therefore, is this: Why did you lie about
   this data in the first place?

Followups directed to alt.conspiracy and the "white power"
discussion groups. Posted & emailed.

 [Documentary citations follow]
   
                              Work Cited 

   Anon. (joebuck@ix.netcom.com). UseNet alt.conspiracy,
      alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
      alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.radical-left,
      alt.politics.perot,alt.revisionism. Subject: "Eat less 
      expensively: boycott 'kosher' products," June 4, 1996.
      Message-ID: 4p2gtr$3ql@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com.
      Archived in http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/nyms/
      charles/joebuck.0696

   Anon. (joebuck@ix.netcom.com).  UseNet alt.revisionism,
      alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
      alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.perot,
      alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.newt-gingrich. Subject: "Re: 
      KOSHER TAX RIPOFF-Canada," June 5, 1995.
      Message-ID: 4p2r58$oth@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com
      Archived in http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/nyms/
      charles/joebuck.0696

   Anon. (dayan18@aol.com). UseNet alt.politics.nationalism.white,
      Subject: "Re: KOSHER TAX RIPOFF-Canada," June 5, 1996.
      Message-ID: 4p3sse$otk@newsbf02.news.aol.com, archived
      as http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?miscellany/
      kosher-tax/kosher-costs


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