Article 6529 of alt.revisionism: Xref: kzoo misc.test:69050 alt.revisionism:6529 Newsgroups: misc.test,alt.revisionism Path: kzoo!k044477 From: email@example.com (Jamie R. McCarthy) Subject: My reply to David Cole, 30 June 1995 Message-ID: <1995Jul1.firstname.lastname@example.org> Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: Kalamazoo College, Kalamazoo MI 49006 References: <1995Jul1.email@example.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 02:15:22 GMT The following is a letter in reply to Mr. Cole's letter of 20 June, which I will fax to him shortly after posting this: Mr. Cole, Thank you for your priority mail letter of June 20th. Once again, I appreciate your willingness to be thorough, to not dismiss complex questions with simple answers. I wish all revisionists were as willing to engage in discussion as you are. All too often, I end up being ignored. I realize that this letter was intended to "get a few minor things out of the way," and that you "don't have the time to write 20-page letters to everyone." I'll respect that by allowing much of your reply to drop on the floor, as it were. I have a tendency to ask questions and comment interminably, but I'll resist the urge this time. I hope you'll find much of what follows in this letter to be a closure of the various topics. Thanks for permission to post your previous cover letters; I'll do so shortly. First off -- you mentioned your list of "unanswered questions for Holocaust historians" or whatever. I think you said there were 38 of them. I don't think I've ever seen all 38, just the few you excerpted regarding Majdanek. Could you send me a copy of the whole list? Re Vicksell urging you to write the Majdanek piece, not Raven: of course I accept your version of events. And no, I don't need to postulate a "wacky conspiracy theory" and suggest that Raven was using reverse psychology on you to get you to write your summary. I suppose the most-likely scenario is that Raven _was_ prepared to write something -- and you're right, probably based on your work -- but found it easier to just let you say what you were going to say. But, hey, whatever. The fact is undeniable that Raven really, _really_ doesn't want to talk with me. Ever since I started corresponding with him, over a year ago by now, I've repeated that I wanted to keep the channels of communication open between us. The line I used several times was "by email, phone, fax, or carrier pigeon if necessary." Nevertheless, he's decided to absolutely ignore me, he won't even return my email. I'll be happy to send you a complete transcript of our correspondence since the beginning of this year if you're at all interested. It's rather long but also a bit amusing (to me anyway), and it tells a great deal about Raven's lack of interest in pursuing the truth. Re Shermer the "libel artist": at this point I'm going to bow out of the argument. It's not my fight, and frankly I don't have much interest in who "wins" or "loses" -- I was mostly interested to see how you two answered each others' charges. What I did do was pass that segment of your letter along to Shermer in email (and later a copy of the interview) and he wrote me back with a segment which he asked me to post publicly (and later a response to the interview). Enclosed find that Usenet article. You are of course welcome to respond if you like, and if you want to respond in the same forum Shermer did (the alt.revisionism newsgroup), I'll be happy to type in and post any reply you might send me. Also enclosed find my original article to Raven on why demanding physical evidence _before_ testimony is not a valid demand. I think you missed my point. I'm not saying physical evidence is unimportant; of course it's important. Nor am I "dismissing" it, as you claim. We may be in agreement on this point, so instead of arguing with you I'll just let you read what I wrote originally and see if that doesn't clear things up. Re the Piper interview. You write: I was never lying about Krema 1. Period. My interview with Piper has ALWAYS been available in its rough, unedited version - just to show that there were no "creative" edits. But that never really mattered to most of you, now did it? Hey, that does matter to me. Could I get a copy of the rough, unedited version? I'll be happy to send you as many VHS tapes as are necessary, postage-paid. Re Majdanek: you are certainly correct when you say that one should ignore the revisionists' invalid standard of proof, and investigate Majdanek for one's own reasons and one's own enlightenment. I didn't intend to imply that I thought there would be no point in investigating the camp, whether by going there in person or by reading about it. What I think I said was that it's invalid to claim that only at the _site_ of mass exterminations can evidence be found; important evidence is usually found elsewhere. You write: when I've shown these questions to gas chamber theorists, I've encountered the same attitude; "I'm not interested in those chambers." To which I always respond "How can you not be interested in "genuine" homicidal gas chambers?" My response to this question would be twofold. First, to repeat myself: it's not that I'm _disinterested_ in these gas chambers; I just don't think I should be _especially_ interested in them simply because they are (supposedly) still mostly intact. I don't think that makes them _especially_ worth investigating. Sure, they're worth looking at, as are all Nazi gas chambers, but as I say, it's a matter of priorities. You've made your pitch why Majdanek should be near the top of my priority list, and I've explained why I disagree. Second, I have recently had a sort of opportunity to learn more about them via an acquaintance. That person is currently in Europe on a grant specifically for the purpose of investigating Majdanek. We corresponded fairly extensively before he left; among other things, I asked him to take lots of pictures of everything, and to try to mark on a map where the pictures were taken from (that's visually-oriented me). Also, I sent him the list of questions about Majdanek that you raised in the piece you wrote in January, and we discussed them in detail. I explained which questions I thought were most compelling and perplexing, _possibilities_ for answers (wild guesses really), and asked him to be as thorough as he could in coming up with theories to resolve the paradoxes you raised. We brainstormed. I'm a bit embarrassed to mention this, because it's the lazy way of doing research: getting someone else to find things out for me. I guess I don't consider it real research unless it involves putting quarters into the library parking meter. But the bottom line, as I say, is that they're my priorities to set. You ask "how would you prove homicidal gassings at Majdanek?" I haven't a clue. I've read so little, I wouldn't know where to start. I suppose I'd start by reading my library's books on the camp, and looking up all the footnotes that related to the gassings, but you could have guessed that. Maybe you could help me out. If you were me, where would you start? What sources are there available? Give me a "reading list" for Majdanek 101. Feel free to point out the flaws as you see them, of course. My local library, so you know, has the red and blue series, and a fairly-complete set of historical literature, though nothing by Pressac, and very little by "revisionist" authors. Re your (not) uncovering the "revelation" about Krema 1: whoa! I had no idea I would provoke so much anger by saying "it sounds like you're claiming" it, and "would you please confirm or deny for me that this is your claim?" (Those were my exact words.) You're obviously not confirming it, that's for sure. But I was taken aback to see you not-confirm it with such vigor! You write in reply: That you would even make such a baseless charge makes me think that, as I said earlier, you are only interested in attacking me, regardless of the facts. And: Why do I believe this won't deter you; you'll probably next make the charge... And: If the truth of your assertions is not a concern to you, then why not go for something bigger, more damaging? Well! after all that, obviously the first thing I did was to go back through the interview and try to figure out where I had come up with the idea that you were making that claim. That's the nice thing about having it in electronic form, I can just search on the word "Krema." And you're exactly right, you say right there, at the first occurrence of the word, "important only in that it has yielded results." I was asking a question you'd already answered. You claim responsibility _not_ for "discovering" that Krema I was an air-raid shelter that was converted back to its original form as a gas chamber for tourism purposes, but _rather_ for making the Auschwitz State Museum change their "spiel" given to tourists to include that fact. I think I've got it right that time. And I sincerely apologize for wasting your time by not reading more carefully in the first place. If I'd paid attention, I would have realized that there was no need to ask you to "confirm or deny" it, since you obviously weren't claiming any such thing. There -- how was that? You see? I'm not shooting for the stars at all, just doing what reasonable people do when they discover that they've made mistakes. Re Faurisson and your saying what you thought about him: interviews with mainstream periodicals were surely not your only means of expressing your opinion. Have you not always been able to submit an article on Faurisson to, say, Smith's Report? The JHR? Remarks? You've got lots of friends in the movement; would none of them have printed an article from you? Did you try writing even a letter to the editor of any of those? Surely _they_ wouldn't have censored you or trimmed what you were trying to say. Given that, don't you think it's ironic that you write in that same section how your esteem for Hilberg dropped when you saw "the discrepancy between what he KNOWS and what he PUBLISHES"? You could have, say, sent out word that you'd written a 16-page open letter, and waited for people like me to write you and ask for it! It seems to have worked fine in April 1995; why couldn't you have done it anytime before then? That's enough for now; I hope I've helped "close up" some of the peripheral topics, so that we can both address the central topics with more focus. I look forward to your next letter. Yours, Jamie McCarthy -- Jamie McCarthy firstname.lastname@example.org email@example.com http://www.kzoo.edu/~k044477/ I speak only for myself.
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