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From Sun Feb 25 15:13:43 PST 1996
Article: 25081 of alt.revisionism
From: (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Moran: Hater First, American Second
Date: 25 Feb 1996 19:50:37 GMT
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	There is an arrogant anti-American over in Great Britain who 
occasionally pops out from under his rock and posts his collection of nonsense.  
He never sticks around to defend his lies but, instead, ducks back into his hole, a 
sulks until his next foray into the real world.  One of his posts concerns the 
Dachau trials.  He claims, citing only a bit of gossip in a British tabloid, that a 
commission presented a report to Lucius Clay stating that physical torture had 
been widely used to extract confessions at the Dachau tribunal.  The author of 
the gossip had, according to the quotes that this anti-American presents, never 
read the report and, of course there is no other corroborating evidence 

	This report is a lie.  A minimal check at the library showed that.  Lucius 
Clay in his autobiography ("Decision in Germany"; New York; 1950) states that 
the charges were investigated by a special commission (the Simposn Commission) 
and by an Administration of Justice Review Board appointed by Clay.  It should 
be noted that *all* the improprieties charged occurred *before* Clay took 
command.  Clay reports that there were some improper methods -- including "stool 
pigeons" and "stage setting" interrogations used.  However, he also states 
"Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in manifest self-interest, were denied 
by the prosecution staff and not borne out by other evidence." (page 253)  There 
were two later congressional investigations, one conducted by Joseph 
McCarthy, and both reached the conclusion that no torture was used.

	Oddly enough these charges did not refer to any investigation of the 
Holocaust but to the Malmedy Massacre.  This was an incident that occurred 
during the Battle of the Bulge where Americans POWs were murdered by German 
soldiers.  It should be noted that while the trials took place at Dachau they were 
tried by a special military tribunal and not the same tribunal that tried nazis for their 
participation in the Holocaust (page 252).  Further Clay blames the improprieties 
on Americans shocked at the "cold-blooded murder" of their comrades and 
states: "It is unfortunate that later the Malmdy case cast some discredit on these 
trials as a whole, although improper methods in obtaining evidence were charged 
only in this instance." (page 253)

	This information has both been posted here and sent by e-mail to the 
poster who was so willing to smear by lies the U.S. Army.  The only reponse was 
to repost the same lies.  And who should pop up to defend these lies: L'il Tommy 

	L'il Tommy obsessive hatred of Jews is so great that he is willing to 
accept at face value any lie -- no matter how outrageous, no matter often it is 
rebutted -- even if it represents an unwarranted smear on his own country.  As 
long as he can denigrate "the Jews" L'il Tommy will purr with content.  L'il Tommy 
has whined that those protesting the cold blooded murders that were an intergral 
part of the nazi philosophy, were "dirtying" German history.  When his own 
country is smeared -- and those doing the smearing are well aware of the lies they 
are posting -- it is L'il Tommy who leaps to their defense.

	I realize that many of the people who read this are citizens of the U.S.  I 
hope that they are as proud of their countries as I am of the U.S.  I hope that 
Morris and Morrison and MacVay would be as upset if some prevaricator 
falsely claimed that Canadian soldiers had tortured helpless people and then 
maintained that lying position after the truth had been demonstrated.  I hope, as 
well, that they would have the same scorn for another Canadian who supported 
those lies because of personal prejudice and bigotry as I have for Moran.

	L'il Tommy has made point clear.  When given the choice between 
defending his country against false charges and slandering Jews, he will chose to 
slander Jews.  I think that it is fair to label this as an obsession.


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