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Thought I'd see if this channel's open yet :-) -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 20:52:36 PST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: New home for Holocaust List As many of you have discovered, we have a new home, and new address, for the Holocaust mailing list. Please address your HLIST mail to HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET from now on. It would appear to be time for one of the chaps from UI to explain the new list to everyone - I'd like an announcement I can post to appropriate newsgroups. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 19:03:07 CST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Richard Jensen Subject: H-Net plans for HOLOCAUS HOLOCAUS has absorbed Ken McVay's HLIST and become part of the stable of lists at the University of Illinois, Chicago. The H-Net program, sponsored by the History department at UIC, has an ambitious plan for training historians across the country in more effective use of electronic communications. (Details of the H-Net plan are available on request from Richard Jensen, the director, at u08946@uicvm or email@example.com) H-Net will keep all the material that made HLIST so useful, and will stress as well some new directions: 1. The tone and target audience will continue to be scholarly. 2. H-Net is now setting up an international board of editors to guide HOLOCAUS policy and to help stimulate contributions. 3. The coverage of the list will include the Holocaust itself, and closely related topics like anti-semitism, and Jewish history in the 1930s and 1940s, as well as closely related themes in the history of WW2, Germany, and international diplomacy. 4. We are especially interested in reaching college teachers of history who already have, or plan to teach courses on the Holocaust. In 1991-92, there were 265 college faculty in the US and Canada teaching courses on the Holocaust (154 in History departments, 67 in Religion, and 46 in Literature.) A much larger number of professors teach units on the Holocaust in courses on Jewish history (taught by 273 faculty) and World War II (taught by 373), not to mention many other possible courses. Most of these professors own PCs, but do not use them for email. We hope our list will be one inducement to go on line. HOLOCAUS will therefore actively solicit syllabi, reading lists, termpaper guides, ideas on films and slides, and tips and comments that will be of use to the teacher who wants to add a single lecture, or an entire course. 5. We are hoping to hire a U of Illinois graduate student to moderate the list. The moderator will solicit postings (by email, phone and even by US mail), will assist people in subscribing and setting up options, will handle routine inquiries, and will consolidate some postings so that subscribers do not have their mailboxes flooded by scores of short messages. (Many computer center have strict limits on mail flows, and we do not want to wear out our welcome.) The moderator will also solicit and post newsletter type information (calls for conferences, for example, or listings of sessions at conventions.) It may prove feasible to commission book and article reviews, and to post book announcements from publishers. Anyone with suggestions about what HOLOCAUS can and might do is invited to send in the ideas. 6. H-Net sees moderated lists as a new mode of scholarly communication; they have enormous potential for putting in touch historians from across the world. Our first list on urban history, H-URBAN@UICVM, recently started up with Wendy Plotkin the moderator. H-WOMEN is in the works, with discussions underway about other possibilities like Ethnic, Labor, and US South. It is an honor to be able to carry HOLOCAUS and continue the fine tradition Ken McVay began. Richard Jensen, director of H-Net u08946@uicvm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 19:31:57 PST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: Projects Now that we're all back together again, it's time to look at some serious project work. First, now that we have an academic home, I would like to seriously address the IHR Review stuff posted by Gannon regarding the Leuchter Report. In particular, I'd like to see serious chemical analysis of their response to Pressac et al. If you are interested in pursuing this one, request LEUCHTER IHRV12N4 from my server, and let me know who is doing the work on the report, and keep me posted as the project progresses. The results should be worked in to the Leuchter FAQ. Why bother? Because the review Gannon posted will appear again and again to refute Prussac, and it needs point-by-point refutation. Once we have that, our FAQ will be far more valuable than it is now. Second, the next FAQ - I've settled on DACHAU for two reasons. First, because it was not a 'death camp' in the sense the Reinhard Camps and Auschwitz were, and second, because it was the scene of a great deal of medical experiementation, and the Dachau report, in conjunction with the Medical section of the Auschwitz FAQ, will spawn a Medical Experimentation FAQ. I haven't had enough time to get serious about Dachau yet, and am now calling for material which can be archived towards the day when I do have time, or someone on the list takes on the editorial job and does it for me. Sections can be taken on for those without time to do it all - Medical Experiments, Staff and Administration, victim data, etc. can all be dealt with separately, and then brought together to complete the FAQ. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 08:21:05 PDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: Re: Are we awake yet? (fwd) You wrote: >From mala!epas.utoronto.ca!jginther Tue Apr 6 03:02:22 1993 X-Delivered: at request of kmcvay on oneb From: firstname.lastname@example.org (James Ginther) Message-ID: <9304030403.AA12868@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: Are we awake yet? To: HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:03:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9304030123.AA03929@epas.utoronto.ca>; from "Ken McVay" at Apr 2, 93 4:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > Thought I'd see if this channel's open yet :-) > > -- > The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher > (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT > Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island > with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac > Now wait a minute, does this mean HLIST may live on? Ken, can you provide details? Is this the new e-mail address for HLIST? Jim. [The list does indeed live on, thanks to the good folks in the History Department at the University of Illinois. I'm still having some problems forwarding mail back to the list, but they should work themselves out in due course. knm] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- James R. Ginther (*- Centre for Medieval Studies "Ubi es?" University of Toronto - God -*) internet: email@example.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If I had an opinion that counted, it could only be my own. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 08:49:25 PDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: no subject (file transmission) Xref: oneb soc.libraries.talk:583 alt.revisionism:1653 soc.culture.jewish:25502 soc.culture.german:10401 Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk,alt.revisionism,dc.general,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.ge rman Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!van-bc!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!uune t!uunet.ca!geac!r-node!ndallen From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: U.S. National Archives Exhibition Observes Days of Remembrance Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:00:13 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr6.email@example.com> Lines: 48 Here is a press release from the U.S. National Archives. National Archives Exhibition Observes Days of Remembrance To: National Desk Contact: National Archives Press Office, 202-501-5525 WASHINGTON, April 5 -- To observe the Days of Remembrance, commemorating the Holocaust, and to honor the opening of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., the National Archives will exhibit a document from the Nuremberg War Crime Trials in the Rotunda beginning April 16. The exhibition, which is free and open to the public, will be on display through May 16. The display consists of three items: the handwritten notes, the typed transcript and the official translation of a speech delivered by Heinrich Himmler, chief of German police (SS), to his generals on Oct. 4, 1943. These items reveal the "ultra secret" policy of the Third Reich in an extremely rare written reference to "Ausrottung", or extermination, of Jews. During the 12 years of the Third Reich, government policies incorporated Nazi concepts of racial purity. As a result of these policies, the Jews of Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe were subjected to discrimination, loss of citizenship, loss of property, exile and near extermination. The genocidal plan, Adolf Hitler's "final solution of the Jewish question," required the assembly and transportation of Jewish people from all corners of Europe to extermination sites in occupied Poland. Himmler was responsible for overseeing this policy of the Third Reich. On Oct. 4, 1943, he spoke to more than 100 SS generals in Posen, Poland, about the progress of the war. One of the subjects he addressed was the "evacuation" of Jews. In his handwritten notes Himmler used the word "Judenevakuierung", meaning evacuation of Jews. The typed transcript of the speech, showing the words he actually spoke, defines "evacuation" as a euphemism for "Ausrottung", or extermination. These documents, part of the National Archives Record Group 238, are from the extensive collection of Nuremberg Trial records at the National Archives. Assembled as records for the prosecution of high-level Nazi officials in the war crimes trials at Nuremberg, they have been used extensively to write histories of the Holocaust. For additional press information about the commemorative exhibition contact the National Archives Public Affairs staff at 202-501-5525. -30- -- Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada firstname.lastname@example.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 16:46:46 PDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: LUFTL Report Gannon's latest - your comments appreciated: >From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 12, Number 4 (Winter 1992-93): The Luftl Report An Austrian Engineer's Report on the "Gas Chambers" of Auschwitz and Mauthausen WALTER LUFTL In March 1992, a prominent Austrian engineer made headlines when a report he had written about alleged German wartime gas chambers was made public. Walter Luftl concluded in his controversial report, "Holocaust: Belief and Facts," that the well-known stories of mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers at the wartime camps of Auschwitz and Mauthausen are impossible for technical reasons and because they are incompatible with observable laws of nature. Luftl further characterized the often-repeated stories of Jews being gassed with diesel engine exhaust (at Treblinka, for example) as a sheer impossibility. (See the IHR _Newsletter_, April 1992, p. 6.) Luftl, 59, is a court-recognized expert engineer and heads a large engineering firm in Vienna. On the basis of a well-established reputation as a particularly precise and exact specialist, he was chosen to serve as president of the Austrian Engineers Chamber (Bundes-Ingenieurkammer), a professional association of 4,000 members. In spite of his reputation, he was obliged to resign as president of the engineers' association in the uproar that followed news reports about his iconoclastic report. A leading official of the governing People's Party expressed fear that Luftl's report could harm Austria's image abroad. A few days later, Austrian police raided Luftl's residence, turning it inside out in a "Stasi"-like search for possibly "incriminating material" that might show that he had violated a recently enacted law that makes it a crime in Austria to deny the "National Socialist crimes against humanity." [Photograph captioned, "Walter Luftl".] To insure that Luftl is not brought into any further legal jeopardy, it should be stressed that his report is published here (for the first time in English) without the author's authorization or cooperation. The text has been slightly edited, and the editor has added some clarifying words in brackets. Luftl's report is further authoritative confirmation of the findings of American gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter, who testified about his on-site investigation of the supposed "gas chambers" of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in the 1988 trial of German-Canadian publicist Ernst Zundel. (A deluxe illustrated edition of _The Leuchter Report_, with a foreword by Robert Faurisson, and an introduction by David Irving, is available from the IHR for $20.00, plus $2.00 for shipping.) Luftl's report also corroborates Leuchter's findings from his 1989 investigation of the supposed extermination "gas chamber" at the Mauthausen camp. (This "Second Leuchter Report" was published in the Fall 1990 IHR _Journal_.) -The Editor Holocaust: Belief and Facts Introductory statement by the author: The following remarks are intended neither to threaten the democratic order that has prevailed in the Republic of Austria since 1945, nor to advocate or promote the reintroduction of National Socialism. These remarks are intended solely to correct one-sided presentations of historical events, and to do so taking into consideration the laws of nature and technical limits, which are of course beyond dispute both politically and historically. These remarks are not intended to "quibble over the number of victims" or to "defame the victims." Rather, they are intended to serve as a scientific clarification of the number of possible victims on basis of technical and organizational considerations. These remarks are also intended to encourage further investigation into the actual events and the search for truth. Because "Holocaust literature" tends to be so one-sided, it is unfortunately not possible to provide a "balanced presentation" here. A critical examination of the limited area of the overall topic under discussion has shown that the accounts of "eyewitnesses" in particular have been immensely exaggerated and unbelievable; so much so that a balancing of the discussion appeared indispensable. The impossible does not become any "truer" when it is claimed by many people. In cases of contradiction between witness testimony and objective proof, the latter takes precedence in every modern constitutional state. In the case of the "Holocaust," though, this has obviously been otherwise. 1. FOREWORD The author would like to anticipate the proposed introduction of Section 283a of the Criminal Code [of Austria], according to which "the offense... [has been] committed whenever a person denies the FACT that millions of human beings, especially Jews, were systematically exterminated in a genocidal way in the concentration camps of the National Socialist regime." Such a legal provision could have the effect of rendering the following remarks punishable, in spite of the fact that they are based on scientific considerations treated in a manner subject to experimental duplication. What is the Holocaust? In the view of those who believe--or cause others to believe--in the [Holocaust], mass gassings, especially of Jews, were carried out in the concentration camps of the Third Reich. Above all in Auschwitz (hence the term "Auschwitz Myth"), four million Jews were gassed. [The Nuremberg Tribunal "established" that four million PEOPLE (Jews and non-Jews) had been KILLED (by all means) at Auschwitz.] Currently, though, unimpeachable sources are seeking to reduce this [sic] figure to 1.5 million. On mathematical grounds alone, the "symbolic figure of Six Million" should be reduced by 3.5 million. Of course, such a reduction does not lessen the [gravity of the] crime in any way, because even one victim is one too many. All the same, the question remains whether mass gassings took place at all, or could possibly have taken place. Insofar as possible, the author has carefully examined many reports of "eyewitnesses," as well as "confessions" of SS men. If one examines the "eyewitness" testimony, doubts still persist, even if one believes everything that appears in the Holocaust literature. These doubts become even greater when one studies the "confessions" of those who were later found guilty [of crimes]. The author does not "deny" anything. (In proper legal terminology, this should really mean "to dispute.") He does not wish to minimize or glorify anything. To use a currently fashionable phrase, he wishes only to "inquire into" [the truth of] the "Auschwitz myth." The author wishes to focus on the critical core of the "Auschwitz myth": the technical possiblities of industrial mass killing with Zyklon B. Zyklon B is the Cornerstone of the Auschwitz Myth If Zyklon B is unsuitable for use in "deliberate genocidal extermination," then the entire Auschwitz extermination story ["Auschwitz- Mythos"] falls apart. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. The War of Belief Because the Auschwitz extermination story ["Auschwitz-Mythos"] has so far not been subjected to scientific analysis, the discussion has been dominated by belief. Even intelligent, well-educated people believe in the "atrocities confirmed by many eyewitnesses." In doing so, they forget that in any modern constitutional state, forensic evidence and documentary proof carry more weight than witness testimony. Witnesses may err; their memories may deceive; witnesses may exaggerate their own importance and repeat hearsay. Witnesses have also been known to lie. Even the "confessions" of allegedly guilty individuals (which may be extorted through torture or obtained through promises of lesser punishment) are worthless without the support of objective proof. Anyone who doubts this should check Solzhenitsyn... [In _The Gulag Archipelago_, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn cites the case of the Bavarian Jupp Aschenbrenner, who "confessed" to serving in a German wartime murder commando. Only later, in a camp in 1954, was he able to prove that at the time of the alleged crimes, he was in Munich learning to be a welder.] All the arguments against the Holocaust [story] will be meaningless if people are not willing to accept the truth. In the words of Schopenhauer: Nothing is more galling Than to fight with facts and arguments Against an adversary In the belief That one is dealing with his understanding, When in reality One is dealing with the wil, Which obdurately closes its mind to the truth. One must understand that reason Applied against the will Is like seed sown on a bare rock Like light arrows against armor, Like the stormwind against a beam of light. Nothing can be done for those who do not want to face the truth. But perhaps, after reading the following, some will be ready to WANT to comprehend. The Gas Chambers According to the Holocaust literature, the victims were "packed" into the gas chambers and then poisoned with hydrogen cyanide (Prussian Blue) vapors from Zyklon B. The bodies were burned in crematory ovens, and the ashes were strewn on hillsides or in water. Organizational Problems Because certain organizational problems arise even in mass extermination --for example, varying killing capacities of the gas chambers or varying crematory capacities in disposing of the bodies--it should be obvious even at this point that events cannot have transpired as described in the Holocaust literature. We shall nevertheless limit our discussion to the essentials. The Handling of Zyklon B What is Zyklon B? Zyklon B is a pest control agent, the active ingredient of which is Prussian Blue (hydrocyanic acid, HCN). Hydrocyanic acid is a highly toxic, highly flammable liquid that vaporizes at 25.7 degrees Celsius. The vapors released upon evaporation are lighter than air (density: 0.95). The ignition point of hydrocyanic acid is 535 degrees Celsius, but the acid can be ignited at temperatures as low as -17.8 degrees Celsius. The explosion point in air at 20 degrees Celsius ranges from 5.4 to 46.6 percent by volume percent, or between 60 and 520 grams per cubic meter (m3). Among other uses, gaseous hydrogen cyanide is used as a fumigant gas. What is the effect of hydrogen cyanide gas on human beings? -- 10 ml/m3 is harmless over an eight-hour exposure; -- 90 ml/m3 is dangerous or fatal upon protracted exposure; -- 80-270 ml/m3 is rapidly fatal. Alcohol, even if consumed in only small quantities prior to exposure, dangerously enhances the effects of cyanide gas. For safe handling, hydrocyanic acid is absorbed in diatomite (following the admixture of an irritant for safety purposes), and is stored and transported in air-tight metal cans. The product is generally used within three months. Because the Zyklon B manufacturing facilities were totally destroyed in bombing attacks in early 1944, gassings with Zyklon B could not have taken place after the summer of 1944. The trade weight of the cans was 100, 200, 500, 1000, and 15000 grams HCN content. The total weight of a can corresponds to approximately three times the HCN content. Hydrocyanic acid vapors are not released immediately after the cans are opened. The evaporation of Zyklon B requires as many as 32 hours or as few as six hours, depending on whether the ambient temperature ranges from five to 30 degrees Celsius. The evaporation rate is not exactly proportional to time. The Gassing Procedure According to the Holocaust Literature The victims were led to the gas chambers, which were disguised as shower baths, and were deceived by being handed soap and a towel. But what for? Who takes a shower holding a towel in his hands? But let's not detain ourselves with such trivia. It is said, for example, that a hundred victims were packed into a chamber of 20 square meters, that is, five persons per square meter. (Witnesses sometimes speak of as many as 25 victims per square meter.) At five persons per square meter, the victims wouldn't even be able to soap themselves, due to lack of space. So what would they need the soap for? Soap was a commodity in short supply, but was permitted to fall on the floor unused, and become unusable. But let's move along. The doors of the 2.5 meter-high chamber were hermetically sealed. An SS man wearing a gas mask threw in Zyklon B, a mixture of hydrocyanic acid and irritant (added as a warning substance, since some people cannot smell hydrocyanic acid, the odor of which peculiarly resembles that of bitter almonds) absorbed in a carrier substance, from a can containing 200 grams of HCN in each case, from above. (This is the usual procedure described in the Holocaust literature. According to some sources, it was done differently only at Mauthausen.) The mixture fell to the floor, and the hydrocyanic acid began to escape. The gassing procedure normally lasted 15 to 20 minutes. (According to some sources, it lasted from five to as long as 30 minutes.) Assuming that the floor temperature was 25 degrees Celsius (which is quite warm, since the gas chambers were mostly cold, damp cellars), let us also conservatively assume a gassing time of one half hour. After one half hour, there would have been at most 16 grams of HCN in the air of the chamber. The volume of air would be 44 cubic meters. (That is, 50 cubic meters, minus the volume of the victims, estimated at six cubic meters, assuming an estimated average body wieght of 60 kilograms per person, which would mean a volume of 6 cubic meters for the victims.) The hydrocyanic acid content in the air of the chamber would thus have been 363.6 mg/m3. (That is, 16,000 mg/44 m3 = 363.6 mg/m3.) That certainly would have been enough to kill them. (That is, 270 ml/m3 x 1.23 = approximately 330 mg/m3.) The one hundred victims would now therefore be dead, if we assume that the hydrocyanic acid did not condense on the cold ambient surfaces inside the room--perhaps the room was pre-heated to a comfortable temperature. At this point, the "chief of the gassing operation" looked through a peephole in the door to see whether any of the victims showed signs of life. But just how he could have done that at Mauthausen, looking through a peephole 1.20 meters above the ground in a door that is only 1.68 m high, is a matter that merits further study. How could he see anything when the victims were "packed together," and therefore could not fall down even in the remotest corners of the room? Nevertheless, after a brief look, the SS executioners turned on the ventilators to air out the gas chamber. And here we hit the first snag. The ventilators must, of course, have been exhausters. For them to work (that is, to exchange the air in the chamber), the gas chambers would have to have been equipped with air intake channels and chimneys equipped with blowers. Nothing of this sort has ever been found in any [alleged homicidal] gas chamber! Are the Nazis supposed to have caused all of this equipment to disappear without a trace in the confusion of defeat? Apart from that, some concentration camps were liberated intact by the Allies. The ventilation lasted 30 minutes, and, finally, the door was opened (!) to determine whether the room was gas-free. "The gassing chiefs, wearing gas masks" carefully held up a strip of [chemically sensitized] paper inside [the chamber]. When the room was free of gas, the doors were opened and the BLUE [skin-colored] corpses were taken by prisoner members of the crematory work team to the morgue, or straight to the crematory. (However, any textbook on toxicology will confirm that the skin color of victims of hydrocyanic acid poisoning is RED.) Then the gas chambers--heavily soiled with blood, excrement, and vomit--were cleaned. What is the evidence against such a procedure? Zyklon B! Holocaust writers have overlooked the fact that, during the ventilation process, Zyklon B would still have retained 92 percent of its hydrocyanic acid content, and would thus continue merrily on its way, releasing hydrocyanic acid gas. At 25 degrees Celsius, it would continue to do so for fully 15 1/2 hours, and even longer yet at lower temperatures. Of course, one could have sent work team members into the gas chamber wearing gas masks and protective clothing to remove the Zyklon B [carrier material], which would at that point still be only partially gas-free. But just how they could remove this [carrier material] from the midst of the tightly packed piles of corpses covered with excrement, vomit and blood, defies explanation. The bodies could have been removed, and the gas chamber then cleaned, only by men wearing gas masks and protective clothing. But this would mean a huge pile of excrement, vomit, and similar material, thorougly contaminated with 184 grams of hydrocyanic acid (which would still continue to evaporate, although slowly.) But the remaining 184 grams of hydrocyanic acid would still be enough to kill approximately 3,000 persons (at 0.001 gram per kilogram, assuming an average body weight of 60 kg per person). This is the flaw in the Holocaust literature! How did they get rid of the remaining Zyklon B from the midst of the one hundred corpses, without lengthy ventilation periods, and without causing mass deaths outside the gas chamber? The procedure described above might have worked at Mauthausen, if people were really gassed at intervals of weeks or months. If we are to believe Hans Marsalek, the Mauthausen "historian," an interval of 17 months elapsed between the fourth and fifth gassings at Mauthausen (April 17, 1943, and September 25, 1944). But at Auschwitz, people are said to have been gassed [continuously] on an industrial basis. In fact, Zyklon B is utterly unsuited for purposes of systematic mass murder. It can be used to FUMIGATE, and it could be used to gas a group of persons occasionally. But for time considerations alone, quasi-industrial killing would simply be impossible. Although the Prussic (hydrocyanic) acid contained in Zyklon B can, of course, kill quickly and certainly, the handling requirements for Zyklon B and the circumstances involved rule out any significant use for the mass killing of people. This eliminates Zyklon B as a direct instrument of the Holocaust. The "eyewitness accounts" in this regard are false. The witnesses could never have seen an actual gassing. The events described never took place. There remains the possiblity of Zyklon B being used as a carrier material for hydrocyanic acid in gas generators. The description of the [gassing] procedure given during a trial before the German district court [Landesgericht] at Hagen suggests the existence of a gas generator of almost ingenious simplicity of design. (The evidence for gassing in the Mauthausen camp was provided by the document archives of the Austrian Resistance Center [DOeW].) In this case, Zyklon B was not thrown in from above. (Even though this is what a commemorative plaque tells us, Marsalek reports it differently.) Why this brilliant procedure was never used in other concentration camps remains a mystery. At Mauthausen, the gas generator consisted of a sheet metal box with a lid, in which a hot brick (that had been heated in the open fire of the crematorium) was laid. This means that the SS could have gassed people only when bodies were already being burned. Zyklon B was then strewn onto this hot brick. But because of the temperature, this would mean an explosively rapid vaporization of the gas, resulting in an explosion of the HCN itself. This version of gas generation may clearly be relegated to the realm of fairy tales. But it was believed by the Hagen district court, just like the fairy tale of BLUE (actually, RED) victims of hydrogen cyanide poisoning. [The red coloring is confirmed, for example, in: _Allgemeine und spezielle Pharmakologie und Toxikologie_ (Dr. W. Forth, et al., eds.), Mannheim, 4th ed., p. 645.] Nothing is known of any other gas generators. Summary An absolutely unabridged study of the problem must conclude that, by and large, the views of the so-called "Revisionists"--the so-called "deniers"-- are far more in line with the laws of nature, logic, and technical realities than the accounts in the Holocaust literature (in which, moreover, scientifically verifiable data is generally lacking). When, as an exception, verifiable data is given in the Holocaust literature, a critical examination of such data leads to absurd results (25 persons per square meter, and so forth). The decisive error in the Holocaust literature is the belief that the hydrocyanic acid contained in Zyklon B could be fully released in the alleged time span of 15-30 minutes required for the gassing, and that the carrier material would simultaneously and completely vaporize like a moth ball. The [fact of the] residue of Zyklon B makes the Auschwitz extermination story ["Auschwitz-Mythos"] obsolete. 2. THE GERSTEIN REPORT: AN "EYEWITNESS REPORT" OF MASS GASSINGS Preliminary note: The "Gerstein Report" discussed here is the "confession" of an "informed" SS man, and is a cornerstone of the Holocaust literature. [For a detailed analysis, see _The 'Confessions' of Kurt Gerstein_, by Henri Roques. Available from the IHR.] It should therefore be critically examined for its technical correctness with regard to the reported mass gassing. Note: The quotations [from the "Gerstein Report" given] here are from the book _Der Nationalsozialismus: Dokumente, 1933-1945_ (W. Hofer, ed.), Fischer, 1957, pp. 307-311. First of all, this writer has made a remarkable observation: the terms "Zyklon B" and "mass gassings with hydrocyanic acid" appear nowhere in the entire chapter [about persecution and extermination of Jews]. Didn't Hofer think that they were worth mentioning in 1957? According to the book _Judenfeindschaft: Darstellung und Analysen_ ["Hostility to Jews: Description and Analysis"], (K. Thieme, ed.), Fischer, 1963 (p. 277), Gerstein was assigned "...to pick up 100 kilograms of hydrocanic acid. Gerstein carried out the order, and became an eyewitness to the extermination of Jews in the concentration camp at Belzec..." Apparently he must have left the hydrocyanic acid in his luggage once he got there, because [according to Gerstein] he witnessed a gassing [there] with carbon monoxide. Was the Zyklon B story invented between 1957 and 1963? This is a possible subject of research for contemporary historians! But back to the "eyewitness." Gerstein relates: ...The rooms are five by five meters, and 1.90 meters high...The SS forced 700-900 people into 25 squre meters, 45 cubic meters. [Actually: 47.5 cubic meters.] The doors close...The people are to be put to death with diesel exhaust gas. But the diesel doesn't work!...Yes, I see everything! And I wait. My stop watch has recorded everything perfectly. Fifty minutes, 70 minutes, the diesel still won't start! The people wait in their gas chambers. In vain. We hear them cry, sob... After two hours and 49 minutes--the stop watch has registered everything --the diesel starts...Another 25 minutes go by...After 28 minutes, only a few of them are still alive. Finally after 32 minutes, all are dead... "Eyewitness" Gerstein never saw a gassing. He produced an absurd confession, perhaps to alert others that this atrocity story was extorted out of him. This writer wonders why the people who have used this confession never examined it in its physical and physiological aspects. They overlooked that any confession requires technical examination. A confession can become a liability if used without examination. The Gerstein Report is a particularly important indication of the incorrectness of the Holocaust literature. Nothing reveals the absurdity of this "eyewitness report" more than an examination of the verifiable facts described. There were [according to Gerstein] 700-800 persons--that is, an average of 750 persons--in the chamber, weighing an average of 60 kilograms, and with a density of approximately one [sic], a volume of 45 cubic meters (m3). How the people could be "packed" into a room measuring 47.5 cubic meters is a mystery. Such an attempt would be absurd and unthinkable. At the most, ten persons can fit into one square meter. (Using rather slender persons, experimentation has usually yielded a result of eight persons.) Two hundred and fifty persons displace 15 cubic meters, which means an air volume of 32.5 cubic meters (47.5 - 15 = 32.5). The breathing time volume (BTV) of those people will amount, on the average, to 7.5 liters per minute. Therefore, 250 people will require 250 x 60 x 7.5 / 1000 = 112.5 cubic meters of air to breathe in one hour. In 32.5 cubic meters of room space, this air, therefore, will pass through the lungs of the people shut up in that room 3.45 times in one hour. It will therefore take 17 minutes and 20 seconds for the air to pass through their lungs once. Dry air contains approximately 21 percent oxygen and only traces of carbon dioxide. Exhaled air contains approximately 15 percent oxygen and 4.4 percent carbon dioxide, as well as six percent water vapor. After 34 minutes and 40 seconds, the air will have been passed through their lungs a second time, and will now contain approximately ten percent oxygen, but already eight percent carbon dioxide. After a (hypothetical) third passage through the lungs, the air in the chamber would contain approximately five percent oxygen, but at least eleven percent carbon dioxide, after only 52 minutes. But unconsciousness and anoxia would have appeared after 30 to 45 minutes. And five minutes of anoxia means brain death. Therefore, the people in the "gas chamber" could not, first of all, have waited two hours and 49 minutes for the diesel engine to start. Nor could they have cried and sobbed after 50 minutes of hopeless waiting. They would certainly have been dead by that time. And how could 700-800 people--assuming they could be packed or forced into the chamber at all-- have breathed at all if they were "packed together"? They would have been unconscious soon after the doors closed, and in another five minutes they would have been dead. The Gerstein Report is no report, but a whopping lie. This "eyewitness" (or rather, those who told him what to write, or who made it up themselves) was lying! As shown by the calculations given above, this "eyewitness" is quite obviously lying. 3. MASS GASSINGS WITH DIESEL ENGINE EXHAUST GAS In addition to the "Gerstein Report," there are a number of reports that describe the "genocidal extermination of millions of people, particularly Jews" in gas chambers in the concentration camps of the National Socialist regime, as well as reports of so-called "gas vans." In addition to Prussic acid [HCN] gas, which came from the pest control agent Zyklon B, carbon monoxide from diesel exhaust gas was [reportedly] also used. It is true that carbon monoxide is a dangerous poison. The many unemployed people in Vienna who, during the 1930s, used illumination [coal] gas (which contained carbon monoxide) to commit suicide were very well aware of that. [On the toxicity of carbon monoxide, see, for example: _Allgemeine und spezielle Pharmakologie und Toxikologie_ (Dr. W. Forth, et al., eds.), Mannheim, 4th ed., pp. 643-645.] The toxicity of carbon monoxide is undisputed. As always, though, the question remains: How could this dangerous poison have been applied to the victims in a quasi-industrial manner? First, permit me to digress: According to the Holocaust literature, submarine motors and tank diesel engines are supposed to have been used. These details are intended to enhance the credibility of the claims. It is nevertheless worth noting that submarine motors, or any other kind of ship's diesel engines, were not readily available, and that German tanks-- incomprehensibly, due to the greater fuel consumption and considerably greater danger of fire in the event of a direct hit--were exclusively equipped with spark-ignition (gasoline) engines. The only diesel motors available would have been those from captured tanks after the beginning of the Russian campaign. However, their use would hardly have been advisable due to the difficulty of obtaining spare parts. But that is beside the point, only a noteworthy detail. What the Holocaust writers have obviously overlooked is the fact that diesel motors are particularly unsuited for the efficient production of carbon monoxide (CO). The SS would have gone over to spark-ignition [gasoline] engines immediately after the first attempts to kill the victims with diesel exhaust gases. Spark-ignition engines can certainly produce eight-percent carbon monoxide by volume with poor idle adjustment, but diesels are practically CO free. Table of exhaust components in percent by volume carbon water oxygen hydrogen nitrogen carbon dioxide monoxide CO2 H2O O2 H2 N2 CO Spark-ignition engines idle 6.5-8 7-10 1-1.5 0.5-4 71 4-6 full throttle 7-13 9-11 0.1-2 0.1-1 74-76 1-4 Diesel engines idle 3.5 3.5 16 --- 77 0.05! full throttle 5.5-7 7 10-12 0-0.1 77 0.1-0.3! air inhaled 0 21 79 air exhaled 4 6 15 75 As this table clearly shows (it is the "idle" column that is important here), spark-ignition [gasoline] engines deliver up to 120 times as much carbon monoxide (CO) [as diesel engines], and diesel exhaust gases cannot produce enough CO. And something else is interesting here: This table includes information about the content of air inhaled and exhaled during ordinary breathing. If the reader compares these figures with those of diesel exhaust gases, he will quickly notice that this [diesel exhaust] is less toxic. The amount of carbon dioxide (CO2), which is also poisonous gas, is less, the amount of carbon monoxide (CO) is negligible, and the amounts of oxygen and nitrogen are nearly the same. Just what does this mean in plain language? It means that nobody can be gassed with diesel exhaust. Instead, victims would more readily suffocate from using up the oxygen in the "gas tight" chambers. In fact, if diesel exhaust gas is introduced into the chamber, the people inside would actually receive more oxygen than they would from breathing the air in the closed chamber after it was passed twice through their lungs! This [twice-breathed] air would have only ten percent oxygen left in it, but would already contain eight percent carbon dioxide. The oxygen content would continue to drop as the people [in the chamber] continue breathing, and the carbon dioxide (CO2) content would continue to rise. Anoxia (oxygen deprivation) would occur very quickly, and five minutes after that, the end would come quickly through brain death. The victims--who would otherwise die quickly--would easily live longer as a result of "gassing" with diesel exhaust, because of its high oxygen content. This means that the diesel engine is not suited for quick killing, assuming this could be done at all. On the other hand, if the victims were gassed with exhaust from spark-ignition engines, death would come much more quickly as a result of oxygen deprivation and the high carbon dioxide (CO2) content than death by carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning. Any executioner would have chosen spark-ignition [gasoline] engines to suffocate victims in the gas chamber: the first time he tried a diesel motor, it would quickly become obvious that he had chosen the wrong method of execution. Furthermore, a diesel motor with a five liter displacement running at 1000 revolutions per minute would create an overpressure of one (1) atmosphere after ten minutes in a 50-cubic meter (m3) large air-tight chamber, and two (2) atmospheres after 20 minutes. That's more than the air pressure inside an automobile tire. This means that after ten minutes, there would be twelve tons of pressure against the "gas chamber door," and 24 tons after 20 minutes. (The measurements of the door at Mauthausen are 72 x 166 cm.) How long would it take to blow open the door? This proves that the testimonies about mass killings with diesel exhaust gas (such as given in the Gerstein Report) are objectively untrue. They do not stand up to scientific examination. 4. THE FLAMES FROM THE CHIMNEYS In the Holocaust literature one can often read reports of eyewitnesses who saw dense smoke coming from the chimneys of the crematories in German concentration camps. Inmates also often saw flames "many meters long" shooting out of the chimneys. People with especially good eyesight even saw such phenomena from as far away as 20 kilometers from Auschwitz. Mauthausen "historian" and state official [Hofrat] Hans Marsalek writes (in the book _Das war Mauthausen_, p. 14, point 18, "Bunker"): ...Below the bunker was the first crematorium. Its fire burned day and night, and the glare of the flame shooting out of the chimney could be seen far away in the Danube valley... All these "eyewitnesses" (who are now commonly referred to as "contemporary witnesses") are telling conscious untruths when they report such things, unless they are the victims of an optical illusion. Only they themselves know if they are lying. The origin of such tales is obvious, even if those who speak loosely without any technical knowledge achieve exactly the opposite effect by it: they are thinking of an open fire, which burns higher as more wood is put on it. This is supposed to make the story of mass cremations--of more and more people--appear more credible. These people confuse a midsummer bonfire with a crematory oven. First, we will make two demands upon the reader's knowledge of geometry and sense of logic: 1. Geometry: From a distance of 20 kilometers, even over the Neusiedlersee [Neusiedl Lake] (which is quite flat), the influence of the curvature of the earth is enough to cut off any possible visual contact between the eye of the observer and any high chimney or high flame, even from a high vantage point (such as the roof of a railroad car, since the "eyewitnesses" were railroad workers). In the vicinity of Auschwitz, furthermore, there were gently rolling hills, which were nevertheless sufficient to shield the installations from view. 2. Logic: Why did the Germans lay a smoke screen over the "Hermann Goring Works" in Linz, and order strict blackouts if, at the same time, (according to Marsalek) "...the glare of the flame shooting out of the chimney could be seen far away in the Danube valley..."? This would have been a beacon for US bombers. (I can just hear the co-pilot reporting to the pilot: "John. I see the lights of Mauthausen straight ahead! Now five degrees [to the] west for Hermann!"). Nobody can believe this. Turning now to technology, because objective proof is always far more conclusive than witness testimony. In the book _Bauentwurfslehre_ ["Textbook on Construction Design"] by Ernst Neufert (Ullstein Fachverlag, 1962), p. 423, one can read: Cremation takes place in special ovens which are coke-fired, electically-fired (cremation of a body requires about 45 Kw of energy), or gas-fired...[and is] entirely free of smoke [Staub] or odor. (This puts an end to the fairy tales of noticeable odor of the cremated corpses!) [The cremation] takes place in dry air heated to 900-1,000 degrees [Celsius], that is without the flame coming into contact with the dead [body]. The oven is heated before-hand for two to three hours, and the cremation process itself requires between an hour and a quarter and an hour and a half. (See aso the _Meyer_ and _Brockhaus_ standard reference works.) Thus, technology also establishes that the crematory capacity could never have kept pace with the number of bodies in the "genocidal mass gassings of millions of people," and that therefore the bodies could NOT have been disposed of in sufficient quantity by burning. That no "flame many meters high" could shoot out of the chimney should be clear to anyone who has ever watched the burning of wood in an open fireplace, or who watched the grilling of pieces of meat (a preliminary stage of cremation) on a charcoal fire. Contrary to popular belief, corpses are not combustible materials. Cremation of bodies requires large quantities of fuel. (With a wooden coffin of 40 kilograms, and assuming 50 percent total efficiency of combustion, 45 kilowatts [of electrical energy] corresponds to about 15 kilograms of coke, or eight cubic meters of natural gas.) The cremation of four million people using coke would alone require at least 50 kilograms [per body], which would mean about 200,000 tons of coke! It is also senseless (and technically impossible) to speak of cremating several corpses at the same time in the same oven (witnesses have claimed as many as ten bodies at a time!), because this would exceed the capacity of the oven. And what about the flames? Coke is a short-flamed fuel. The flame could not even exceed the confines of the burning chamber. In addition, there is a short exhaust channel, the flue, between the oven and the chimney. The chimney only comes after that. So, using [such] short-flamed solid fuels, there wouldn't be any "flame." At most, there would be exhaust fumes at a temperature of 180 degrees Celsius. Otherwise, the chimney would soon be ruined. Therefore, after traversing eight or ten meters of chimney, no flame could be visible outside. (The chimney length is determined by the required draw, not the length of the flame.) Not even a reflection would be visible because it would be lost in the flue. I always wonder why the judges who believed such testimony never at least asked a chimney sweep about this, even if they didn't consult an expert. Only "contemporary historians" and a series of courts have ever accepted these tales of "contemporary witnesses" about "flames many meters high" shooting out of the crematoria chimneys. On this subject as well, it might be noted that the objections of "Revisionists" are far more in harmony with the laws of nature and technology than the tales of the Holocaust writers. 5. MASS GASSINGS IN MAUTHAUSEN Before dealing with the question of whether a [homicidal] gas chamber existed at Mauthausen at all, a few facts--based on unimpeachable sources-- should first be noted. The following sources have been used: A) Hans Marsalek, _Die Geschichte der Konzentrationslager Mauthausen_ ["The History of the Mauthausen Concentration Camp"] (Vienna: 1974 and 1980) B) Hans Marsalek, _Giftgas in Mauthausen_ ["Poison Gas in Mauthausen"] (Vienna: 1988) C) Hans Marsalek, _Mauthausen: Fuhrer durch die Gedenkstatte_ ["Mauthausen: Guide to the Memorial Site"] (Vienna) D) Martin Gilbert, _Auschwitz und die Allierten_ (Munich: 1982) [English- language edition: _Auschwitz and the Allies_] The following statements are taken from the above sources: According to H. Marsalek, _Giftgas in Mauthausen_, p. 15: On November 19, 1943, 38 Soviet citizens were GASSED. According to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte der Konzentrationslager Mauthausen_, p. 227: On November 19, 1943, 38 Soviet citizens were SHOT. If those aren't contradictions, what is? According to H. Marsalek, _Giftgas in Mauthausen_ (1988), p. 15: 1. Gassing on May 9, 1942: 231 Soviet prisoners of war. But according to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte_ (1974/1980), it was only 208. 2. Gassing on October 24, 1942: 261 Czechs. But according to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte_ (1974/1980), it was only 128. 3. Gassing on January 26, 1943: 31 Czechs. But according to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte_ (1974/1980), it was only 15. 4. Gassing on April 17, 1943: 59 Soviet citizens and five Poles. 5. Gassing on September 25, 1944: 138 Soviet citizens and one Pole. But according to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte_ (1974/1980), it was only 110 Soviet citizens. And so forth. To sum up here: According to H. Marsalek, _Giftgas in Mauthausen_ (1988), the sum total, up to September 9, 1944, is 726 persons. But, according to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte der Konzentrationslager Mauthausen_ (1974 and 1980), the sum total, up to September 9, 1944, is 526 persons. It is worth noting here that more than 17 months elapsed between the fourth and fifth gassings. We are further given to understand--from H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte der Konzentrationslager Mauthausen_--that Zyklon B was already delivered on September 22, 1941, and was again delivered on July 7, 1942, on April 28, 1943, July 1, 1943, and November 5, 1943, in the amount of 240 kg of cyanide content for each delivery. Zyklon B was therefore already being delivered long before the [homicidal] "gas chamber" was [supposedly] put into operation, and was thereafter delivered in quantities exceeding the requirement for executions in a "gas chamber" by many thousands of percent. This may be proven by the following calculations: The fatal dose would amount to 180-270 ml/m3, or 220-330 mg/m3. (Source: Supplement [Beilage] ./D, Merkblatt M 002 der Berufgenossenschaft der chemischen Industrie, p. 9.) The volume of the "gas chamber" was approximately 35 cubic meters (3.70 x 3.90 x 2.46). Subtracting a volume of approximately two cubic meters for the people to be gassed, the chamber therefore contains a volume of 33 cubic meters of air. Assuming a CERTAIN fatal dose of one gram per cubic meter (or about 3 to 4.5 times as much as would really be required to kill), per gassing 33 grams are required, or 1.1 grams of hydrocyanic acid per person. Assuming five grams per person--conservatively assuming a 22 percent degree of efficiency of the cyanide content in Zyklon B for purposes of yielding cyanide gas--the 2,481 persons (according to H. Marsalek, _Giftgas_) could have been killed 10 to 20 times over with 12 kilograms. So why did they deliver more than one ton between September 22, 1941, and November 11, 1943, even though only 526 persons could have been gassed up to September 25, 1944, according to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte der Konzentrationslager Mauthausen_? Or was the Zyklon B used only for delousing and pest control? The actual requirement for the certain killing of 526 persons is about one half kilogram. According to H. Marsalek, _Giftgas in Mauthausen_, p. 233: On August 19, 1944, 457 (or 456) Jewish prisoners were sent to Auschwitz. On August 28, 1944, 419 arrived [at the camp]. And according to M. Gilbert, _Auschwitz und die Allierten_, p. 362 [or, _Auschwitz and the Allies_, p. 308]: A train with 417 [or 429] persons arrived at Auschwitz from Mauthausen on August 22, 1944. Of this number, 93 were transferred to the work camp, and 326 were gassed. A close look at the above reveals something remarkable. The question arises: Why did the Nazis, who possessed a properly functioning gas chamber at Mauthausen (but one which, at this point in time, apparently had not been used for 17 months), first transport the 326 Jews for three (or nine) days to Auschwitz, and then immediately gas them? Why didn't they gas them right away in Mauthausen? According to H. Marsalek, _Giftgas in Mauthausen_, p. 15: The gassing operations in Mauthausen first really began in earnest on March 23 (or 27), 1945. Up until April 28, 1945, there were nine gassings, and up to the period between May 9, 1942, and February 19, 1945, also only nine. According to H. Marsalek, _Die Geschichte der Konzentrationslager Mauthausen_, gassings took place on just 18 days, with 1,980 victims. But according to H. Marsalek (the same author), in _Giftgas in Mauthausen_, there were 2,481 victims! In H. Marsalek, _Mauthausen: Fuhrer durch die Gedenkstatte_, p. 12, a document is cited. This is a communication from the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), dated Nov. 10, 1943, to the commandants of the concentration camps. Among other things, it reads: The bordello and the crematories are not to be shown during camp visits. These installations are not to be mentioned to persons visiting the camp... Aparently, then, EVERYTHING ELSE could be shown and mentioned to visitors. Logically, then, a GAS CHAMBER, if one existed, could be shown and talked about; otherwise, it would have been included in the prohibition. Since we cannot assume that the SS ever showed a [homicidal] gas chamber to the inspectors of the International Red Cross, it is permissible to conclude that none existed. Conclusions Why was Zyklon B delivered for a year prior to the [alleged homicidal] gassings? Obviously, for pest control and delousing! Delousing chambers are in Mauthausen even today, but there is no structure capable of being used as a [homicidal] gas chamber. Why was nobody gassed for 17 months even though there [supposedly] was a working gas chamber? Why did they send hundreds of people during this period to Auschwitz for gassing? Obviously, in fact, because nobody was ever gassed in Mauthausen as part of any "systematic genocide." Why would a gas chamber be built if, during a period of more than three and a half years, it was used on only 18 days, and if the adjacent installation--where people were shot in the back of the neck (according to H. Marsalek in _Giftgas in Mauthausen_)--worked three times as efficiently? The answer is that the room shown today as a gas chamber was never used for that purpose, and--for technical and physical reasons--never could have been used for that purpose. It was very probably the shower room for the crematory personnel, although its use as a morgue cannot be excluded. Anyone familiar with the danger involved in handling hydrocyanic acid gas (which is explosive and extremely toxic) must wonder why the SS executioners didn't use carbon dioxide gas--which is easier to handle and completely harmless to the executioner--to kill the prisoners who were allegedly poisoned with Zyklon. Any textbook on physiology confirms that in the event of anoxia (oxygen deprivation), disturbances of brain functioning appear after five seconds, followed by unconsciousness after 15 seconds, and brain death after five minutes. This is how animals are put to sleep, painlessly and surely. It also works with people. But according to Marsalek (in _Giftgas in Mauthausen_, p. 10), instead of blowing carbon dioxide (CO2) into the "gas chamber," the Nazis sprinkled Zyklon B onto a brick heated on a shovel in the crematory oven to generate cyanide gas! 6. CARBON MONOXIDE GAS IN FLASKS The allegation is also found in Holocaust literature that gas chamber victims were suffocated using carbon monoxide (CO). In Hans Marsalek's work, _Vergasungsaktionen im Konzentrationslager Mauthausen: Die Gaskammer im Schloss Hartheim_ ["Gassings Actions in the Mauthausen Concentration Camp: The Gas Cahmber in the Hartheim Castle"], pp. 21 ff., we read: ...People were apparently first gassed in Hartheim with carbon monoxide gas on June 6, 1940...New supplies of steel flasks with poison gas...were provided...Poison gas streamed through this pipe, which was always blown in from a steel flask located in the next room... This allegation can also be found in the indictment of the Prosecuting Attorney of Linz, dated July 20, 1947 (3 St 466/46). In Simon Wiesenthal's book, _Doch die Morder Leben_ (Droemer Knaur), 1967 [US edition: _The Murderers Among Us_], p. 385, on the photo of the site diagram of Hartheim Castle, the gas flask storage area [Gasflaschenlager] is marked, right next to the "gassing area" [Vergasungsraum]. (Interestingly, Wiesenthal refers in this book to eleven million people supposedly gassed [sic] by the Nazis. As part of the downward trend, this figure has been reduced to six million. The figure continues to fall, and because of the recent subtraction of three million from the Auschwitz figure, the grant total must now be three million.) That this diagram is actually a forgery fits, of course, with the general pattern. ([Specifically:] Captions and, therefore, room designations, were not made with a typewriter. Instead, the diagram designations were made with standard script or block letters. And a "gas chamber" with a window is technical nonsense. The handwritten word "crematory" has been added to the words "oven room," apparently to criminalize the heating system. Given the lack of space, the question of precisely how the bodies were [supposedly] brought into the ovens is a matter worthy of some consideration. And the word "Sektierkammer" [dissection chamber] was obviously added by someone who is not entirely familiar with the German language.) Gassing by means of carbon monoxide from flasks is technical nonsense. Carbon monoxide (CO) could only have been filled and stored in high pressure steel flasks, which would have been extremely expensive to fill, and even more expensive to transport. Anyone engaged in quasi-industrial mass killing could generate carbon monoxide in large quantities by simply using a spark-ignition (gasoline) engine, with a suitably "bad" (but for this purpose quite logical) carburetor adjustment. With just one liter of gasoline, and set at idle, such an engine can deliver many cubic meters of [deadly] exhaust in a very short time. This exhaust would not have any oxygen content, but would have eight, ten, 15 or even 20 percent carbon monoxide content. It would also be produced cheaply and on the spot, and at a fraction of the cost of the fuel required for the transport of any "gas flasks." Once again, it must be stated that the Nazis may have been criminals, but they were certainly not stupid enough to use approximately one hundred liters of gasoline to produce a quantity of carbon monoxide that they could easily have manufactured on the spot using a couple of liters of gasoline. In addition, carbon monoxide was produced in chemical plants and was a basic element for [the production of] synthetic gasoline. If for no other reason, the story of "carbon monoxide in flasks" for mass killing appears improbable because of the energy required to compress it, transport it in filled high pressure flasks, and then release it later at atmospheric pressure during use. Thus, the last remaining cornerstone of the mass gassing story is relegated to the class of technical fairy tales rather than scientifically proven fact. This applies to gassings whether by: --hydrocyanic acid used in the manner described above (that is, by throwing in Zyklon B from above), --exhaust gas from diesel engines, or --carbon monoxide in flasks, whether in stational "gas chambers" or in so-caled "gas vans." The mass gassing story is certainly not a "fact of common knowledge"! Had the Nazis really wished to "gas" (or, more accurately, to "suffocate") people on a quasi-industrial basis ("systematic genocide"), they certainly would have turned to carbon dioxide gas (CO2), which would have been absolutely harmless to the executioners and cheap to produce, instead of hydrocyanic acid (HCN) in Zyklon B or carbon monoxide (CO). Anyone who does not believe this should take care to read the newspaper accounts of frequent accidents with fermentation gas which occur every year in the springtime in Austrian wine cellars. Carbon dioxide kills quickly, painlessly and surely. 7. THE ATTEMPTED REFUTATION OF THE _LEUCHTER REPORT_ Leuchter states that "the gas chambers at Auschwitz were not used to kill human beings with Zyklon B, because they could not be heated and had insufficient ventilation installations." In this regard, the author H. Auerbach, writing in a statement on "The So-Called Leuchter Report," issued in November 1989 by the [semi-official German] Institut fur Zeitgeschichte ["Institute of Contemporary History"] in Munich, stated: Leuchter fails to consider that even in a much larger room (Note: compared to a US execution gas chamber), this temperature (of evaporation of hydrogen cyanide) would be reached very quickly if it were packed full of people, and that therefore no heating at all is required. Like so many Holocaust writers, Auerbach is mistaken. An experiment was carried out by this writer to simulate the heating of a chamber by human beings. The dimensions of the chamber were as follows: Floor area: 5.43 square meters. Height: 2.45 meters. Volume: 13.30 cubic meters. Surface area: 33.70 meters. The chamber floor was tiled, as were the walls up to a height of 1.50 meters. Above that height, the walls were of wood section covering, with a wood section ceiling. Because of the large wood surface, the chamber is far easier to heat than the "gas chambers" shown as tourist attractions at Auschwitz. The chamber took an hour to heat using an 1.8 Kw electric convection heater, after which the room was "ventilated" for 30 minutes. The nearly square chamber had one outside wall (outdoor air temperature: 20 degrees Celsius), and three inside walls (inside air temperature: 22 degrees Celsius). The rise in temperature (Celsius) is shown in the following table (with figures founded off): Time Air Floor Wall 1.35 m Wall 1.75 m Beginning 22 22 22 22 30 min. 38.5 24 28 31 60 min. 42.5 25 30 32 Heating stopped 30 min. [later] 22 22 22 22 Ventilation stopped Since according to the laws of nature, warmth flows from areas of higher temperature to cooler areas, and the standard "average body temperature" is approximately 33-34 degrees Celsius (_Physiologie des Menschen_, Schmidt/Thews, Springer, 1987, p. 655), the figures measured in the simulation (at summer temperatures) are well above those that could be attained in the middle of the year in an unheated "gas chamber." Even [in a room] with people "tightly packed crushed together," an air temperature in excess of 30-32 degrees Celsius would not be attained. In addition, the gassings are supposed to have taken place quickly and on a quasi-industrial basis. Consequently, the wall temperatures would rise only slightly (hence the possibility that the hydrocyanic acid would condense on the walls), and the floor temperature would hardly rise at all. Nor would the bare feet of the victims warm the floor to any appreciable extent, because the temperature of the arch of the foot is only 27-28 degrees Celsius, and the temperature of the soles is practically identical to the floor temperature. Therefore, rather than warming the floor to any measurable extent, the victims would suffer from cold feet. According to the Holocaust literature, Zyklon B was normally thrown in from above. This means, naturally, that it would land on the floor (which even in summer was colder than 26 degrees Celsius). As a result, the hydrocyanic acid contained in the Zyklon B would not vaporize quickly, but would instead evaporate more or less slowly (from six to 32 hours, at five to 30 degrees Celsius). This is precisely the secret of the success of Zyklon B as a pest control agent: a nearly even yield of the active ingredient over long periods of time depending on the temperature. To achieve the rapid killing described in the Holocaust literature, the SS therefore would have had to incorporate floor heating installations into the "gas chambers" in order to be able to use them as [homicidal] gas chambers. And there is another detail: rapid and effective ventilation would have required not just mechanical ventilation, but suitable air intake channels. Without an air intake, using ventilators alone, the deadly air-gas mixture could never have been exhausted from the gas chamber. If this were attempted, the ventilator would reach a "suction limit" and run empty. That is, it would deliver nothing, but would instead simply maintain a certain partial vacuum [Unter-druck] in the chamber. Deadly hydrogen cyanide (HCN) would continue to evaporate for many hours, and the concentration in the air of the chamber would thereby become more and more rapidly fatal. How the room [removal] work team could work without heavy breathing equipment and protective clothing, only a "witness" can explain. Science can provide no answer. Rather, science shows that: a) Leuchter is correct, even though he provided no detailed scientific proof in his report, and b) Holocaust writers are telling stories which cannot withstand scientific scrutiny. 8. EPILOGUE Holocaust writers now face a dilemma. The weapon for the "systematic genocidal extermination of millions of people, especially Jews" must now be abandoned if one looks at the facts instead of concentrating on belief. No weapon, no crime. What now? Mass murder with diesel exhaust gases (in 32 minutes, according to Gerstein) is a sheer impossibility for reasons of time alone. This can be proven experimentally, even today, with a couple of brave men. Therefore, the [stories of] "gas chambers with diesel engines" and "gas vans" ["gaswagen"] can only be disinformation. The "witnesses" make objectively false statements, and the "confessions" are clearly false. The laws of nature apply both to Nazis and anti-fascists. Nobody can be killed with diesel exhaust gas in the manner described. Mass murder in the manner described, with Zyklon B and with carbon monoxide, cannot have taken place, either, because it too would violate the laws of nature, and because the necessary technical and organizational prerequisites were lacking. Experimental killings with Zyklon B may have taken place. After fifty years, this cannot be ruled out with certainty. But such experiments would have resulted in deaths among the executioners, and the recognition that something like the [supposed] Mauthausen shooting installation would be more logical and safer. A similar recognition would have come very quickly in any experiment using diesel exhaust gases ("get rid of that diesel and get us a spark- ignition engine"), if there had ever been any "gas chambers with diesel engines" or "gas vans" ("generator gas" from "wood gas" trucks would have been more logical). The Nazis may have been criminals, but they certainly were not stupid enough to use diesel motors and Zyklon B in the manner described. The crematories could never have disposed of the number of victims: this may be considered proven by engineering science. Bodies are not a combustible material. Their cremation requires a great deal of time and energy. In light of what is now known, ther are no "facts of common knowledge" [or "judicially noted" facts] with regard to the Holocaust. The facts given above should be elaborated to a higher degree of proof by specialists, and preferably by court-recognized experts. Such a study will certainly produce amazing results, which will radically alter the basic views of many people. Objective proof will refute the testimony of perjured "witnesses" and the "confessions" of "criminals." Judges and historians must draw the appropriate conclusions, and a whole generation of "contemporary historians" will sit on the ruins of their worldview, much as the Marxists today sit on the ruins of their Marxist ideology. In court trials of "Revisionists," therefore, "contemporary historians" should never be the only ones permitted to determine the "facts" of the Holocaust. There must be interdisciplinary cooperation with scientists and technicians. Any legal provision that seeks to hinder or even penalize scientific investigation of the Holocaust (such as section 283a of the Austrian criminal code) would amount to a state-ordered reign of terror against the human spirit. Should actual investigation of the Holocaust prove the "deliberate genocide" to be a fact, the discussion will then be at an end, among the "Revisionists" as well. Who could wish to oppose discussion of the Holocaust, on any grounds, let alone attempt to choke discussion using criminal law? Who is there who could abolish freedom of thought and the rule of law, without opening himself to the suspicioin of trying to exert improper influence by suppressing discussion? Is "1984" coming after all--through the back door? [end of article] [Reprinted by permission from _The Journal of Historical Review_, P.O. Box 1306, Torrance, CA 90505, USA. Subscription rate: $40 per year, domestic. $50 per year, foreign.] This article was manually transcribed by the System Operator of the "Banished CPU" computer bulletin board system, which is located in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. 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Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 20:33:15 PDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: Re: GANNON In-Reply-To: <93Apr7.email@example.com>; from "Richard Jensen" at Apr 7, 93 9:55 pm You wrote: | The Gannon item was a bad mistake; we must not publish any | more such. I disagree. If we are to deal effectively with that sort of material, then we must be aware of it. Doing this with a January, 1993 SpotLight article led directly to the Auschwitz FAQ, which was a precise response. The Auschwitz FAQ led directly to, and referred to, the Leuchter FAQ. At the same time, having completed the Auschwitz work, I used the same format to assemble Operation Reinhard-related material and another FAQ. All of them were the _direct_ result of the publishing of the Spotlight article to the list, and the discussions held about the most effective means of dealing with it. The value of this work has been demonstrated. | 1. HOLOCAUS is not a revisionist outlet. It will not publish | revisionist tracts. Then what is it you would discuss? Only what the board has determined is politically correct? Would we all bury our heads in the sand, and pretend those folks don't exist? How in God's name do you expect to learn anything? Is it really easier to pretend that David Irving doesn't exist than to examine his work under a microscope? (Is "Hitler's War" in the UIC library?) | 2. It is illegal for UIC to publish copyright material | without explicit permission. UIC didn't publish it, Dan Gannon did, to multiple public newsgroups, and I republished his article. Even the IHR didn't get permission to publish it. No citations, as in my FAQ's, can be allowed either, nor discussions regarding confusion between multiple cited sources, nor posting of the FAQ drafts here, since they all contain copyrighted material which I did not have permission to use. | 3. It will grossly distort the purpose of the list. Your list, perhaps. Mine was deliberatly created to deal with Holocaust denial. Its purpose was to examine and refute, and, I submit, it has done that admirably. HLIST, however, had a distinct and different purpose which was known to all who inquired or subscribed. Both the info file and the welcome file were quite clear, as was the monthly listing in the Public Mailing Lists article. I would be happy to send them to anyone who contacts me directly. (All previous subscribers have already seen the welcome file.) | 4. It is a great embarassment to me and to UIC, and to the list. To the list? Hardly - no-one expressed any great anger over either the publication of the Spotlight article, or the discussion following. Personal concerns, yes; anger, no. The result was demonstrably positive, and an embarassment to no-one, let alone the list. | 5. We need an apology and promise it will not happen again. I will not apologize for consistently following the purpose for which my list was created. If you wish, I will publicly disassociate myself from both the University and the list, and explain why I am initiating another list elsewhere. I accept your right to refuse to accept such material, and you can obviously accept mine to disassociate. Surely that will keep you good folks happy? Please remove my name from both the editorial list and the subscription list, and remove my name from all of the lists informational/promotional data. You have most certainly not given HLIST a new home, nor will you, working under these restrictions, further its purpose one iota. I am publishing this to the list so that there will be no misunderstanding regarding my feelings and intentions. Had I known that the rules were going to be changed immediately, I would never have accepted your offer to move the list to UIC. I would like to continue to work with the good folks who have lent their efforts to this project since it began, and will contact them all privately. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:01:11 PDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: Re: GANNON (fwd) You wrote: >From mala!epas.utoronto.ca!jginther Wed Apr 7 23:38:23 1993 X-Delivered: at request of kmcvay on oneb From: firstname.lastname@example.org (James Ginther) Message-ID: <9304080445.AA29744@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: GANNON To: HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:45:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9304080344.AA25214@epas.utoronto.ca>; from "Ken McVay" at Apr 7, 93 8:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] To the List Moderators: I was a little taken aback by your response to Ken's posting, and it did smack of political correctness. I must be getting tired of sanitizing the truth for public consumption, because your comments angered me enought write! I am a bit of an outsider on this topic; I am a medievalist who has been given the great opportunity of being a teaching assistant to Dr. Michael Marrus for the last few years. The experience has been an eye-opener to say the least, not only as a refresher in modern european history, but also in a lesson in various forms of historiography. The most dangerous form of revisionism, I believe, is not the blatent response "the Holocaust is a lie"; but rather the one that attempts to construct pseudo-intellectual arguments that grossly misrepresent the historical record. What concerns me the most is when a student begins a question with "I read in an article that the evidence for this event is shaky and perhaps manufactured..." Yes, this is gross revisionism; yes, it needs to be corrected; and yes, I would like to know just what kind of argument is being constructed so I can rationally provide an answer. I still believe, perhaps naively, that my role as an educator (even at the tutorial level) is to show students how to confront lies with the truth. Hence, Ken's list has helped. IMO, I was happy to see it merge with another list with a larger mandate, so that discussions were no longer focused on "holocaust apologetics." Yet, I also believe it would be a grevious mistake to remove this type of discussion from the list. Your demand for an apology is tantamount to shooting the messenger. Ken didn't write the article, nor does he endorse any of its content. I hope that he, in the end, does stay with HOLOCAUS. His work has a role to play. Regard. Jim. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- James R. Ginther (*- Centre for Medieval Studies "Ubi es?" University of Toronto - God -*) internet: email@example.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If I had an opinion that counted, it could only be my own. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:32:39 PDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Ken McVay Subject: Spotlight Article Controversy (fwd) You wrote: >From mala!LETTSCI.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU!MarcM Thu Apr 8 12:54:45 1993 X-Delivered: at request of kmcvay on oneb From: MarcM@LETTSCI.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU To: HOLOCAUS@UICVM.BITNET Subject: Spotlight Article Controversy Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 11:44:00 -0400 Message-ID: <2BC44856@courier.sscnet.ucla.edu> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 How can UIC protest the posting and discussion of the Spotlight article when their libraries no doubt contain multiple copies of Mein Kempf, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, The International Jew, and the Koran, all of which defame Judaism? Marc Mayerson [The protest wasn't over the Spotlight article, but rather the Dan Gannon piece which I published to the list recently. The HOLOCAUS list did not exist when HLIST discussed January's Spotlight. I raised the Spotlight article to demonstrate the potentially great value of publishing such material to the list, since it was a perfect example, at least in my mind. Library contents aren't relevant, since they are not copies. While UIC clearly must be concerned about copyright law, I did not feel their concern, as expressed in their rather terse message to me, was remotely justified in this case. Gannon did not include a copyright with his article, and it was his article that _I_, not UIC, published to the list. Be that as it may, I must respect their demand that no copyrighted material be published here, and my decision stands. (I am surprised that I am still receiving material for the moderator, quite frankly, since I thought I made my wishes with regard to HOLOCAUS clear.) For the record, if I my request to be removed from this list is ignored, and I am sent another relevant Spotlight article, I will not hesitate to publish it here and call for discussion relevant to refuting the contents. knm] -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 08:57:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: New subscription tell listserv add holocaus u28330@uicvm Burton Bledstein ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:59:51 CDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Richard Jensen Subject: memo from listowner re policies Memo: to HOLOCAUS subscribers from Richard Jensen, u08946@uicvm, listowner A. After the dispute with Ken McVay I need to make the HOLOCAUS position clear. Basically, it is that HOLOCAUS has limits. (Some people will these limits "political correctness" but it is important for everyone to understand them.) 1. HOLOCAUS is owned by and financed by the government of the state of Illinois (i.e. the University of Illinois) and must be very scrupulous about rights and wrongs. (Indeed, one of the goals of HOLOCAUS studies is to uplift and sharpen sensibilities about right and wrong.) As a state institution HOLOCAUS does NOT have the right do as we please and to ignore state and national policy; we must reflect policy. (US national policy is very clear about the desirability of teaching about the Holocaust in a sensitive manner.) 2. HOLOCAUS will not transmit material that has been printed (on paper) and is therefore very likely under copyright unless: a) There is explicit permission from the author or owner of the copyright. b) or we are making "fair use" in a scholarly sense. That means short excerpts (certainly not all the text) used for critique or analysis. c) In this case, Ken reprinted an entire article by a person named Luftl without permission. Indeed, the introduction to the article explicitly said: >"To insure that Luftl is not brought into any further legal >jeopardy, it should be stressed that his report is >published here (for the first time in English) without the >author's authorization or cooperation. The text has been >slightly edited, and the editor has added some clarifying >words in brackets." d) It will not do to say that someone else violated the copyright first. (It is illegal to photocopy and distribute a textbook. If you find lying around a xerox copy of the textbook, it is STILL illegal for you to make copies and distribute it.) 3. It is clear that Ken transmitted the piece hoping to eventually discredit the revisionists. However, HOLOCAUS will not publish or republish anything by this group, with or without their permission. I apologize for letting this item slip through (The copy went to me at the same time it went to everyone, and not before. I did not have the faintest notion it would appear.) a) It is true that the University of Illinois Library collects most everything. HOLOCUAS is not like a library--it is a publisher. A University Press has an elaborate code about what it publishes, with many inside and outside reviewers involved. University presses reject most of the items that are submitted to them (History journals like the American Historical Review reject about 90% of the articles sent in.) HOLOCAUS is trying to set high standards by setting up an editorial board. b) If there are people on the list who want to refute revisionism, more power to you. HOLOCAUS will help, but it indeeds to keep the revisionist debate in perspective (that is, it is intellectually a very small matter--much less important than many other topics. It does not deserve a lot of space.) 4. HOLOCAUS is pitched to the academic community, and academic criteria must be in play. Regarding refutation--it's a tricky business that if done poorly increases the visibility and the prestige of the target message. If A wants to refute Z, it is essential that A have an accurate text of what Z wrote. Any academic who tried to refute the Luftl piece using a text that was known to be garbled (see the quote above) would be foolish. The text that Ken sent out is worthless for rebuttal, but unfortunately it does help spread the visibility of the revisionists. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 08:19:00 CST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com From: David Bedell Originator: firstname.lastname@example.org Besides the new HEBLANG list, what discussion lists already exist which use Hebrew as the medium of communication? I thought I saw some based at taunivm.bitnet. Are there any other discussion lists that might be useful for Hebrew learners: E-HUG or IVRITEX, maybe? --David Bedell, U. of Alabama (email@example.com or @ua1vm.ua.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 08:24:00 CST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com The White House on April 5 asked Harvey Meyerhoff to step down as chairman of the council that built the US Holocaust Memorial. Meyerhoff is a Republican appointed by President Reagan in 1987; William Lowenberg, also a Reagan appointee, was fired as vice chairmen. Both men will remain members of the Council, for which Preident Clinton will appoint new officers. Representative Sidney Yates (D-IL), the powerful chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee, criticized the timing, noting "This is a very important and delicate period when the council staff is working day and night to try to get the museum ready for the opening." Source: AP report in New York Times, 4-6-93 p A9. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 07:04:00 CST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Holocaust Museum Opening From: SMTP%"firstname.lastname@example.org" "Cecelia A Clancy" 12-APR-1993 22:13:11.38 To: JIMMOTT@spss.com CC: Cecelia A Clancy Subj: Hol. Museum Opening Received: from spssig.spss.com [184.108.40.206] by spssnf.spss.com with SMTP-VMS via TCP/IP; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 22:13 CST Received: from pitt.edu by spssig.spss.com Mon, 12 Apr 93 22:11:44 CDT Received: by pitt.edu id AA14558 (5.65c/IDA-220.127.116.11 for JIMMOTT@spss.com); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:10:21 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unixd2.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unixd2.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.0.1.873.EzMail.1.2.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unixd2.cis.pitt.edu.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.unixd2.cis.pitt.edu.pmax_3; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Cecelia A Clancy To: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Hol. Museum Opening Cc: Cecelia A Clancy Hello, On holocaus list you wrote: Representative Sidney Yates (D-IL), the powerful chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee, criticized the timing, noting "This is a very important and delicate period when the council staff is working day and night to try to get the museum ready for the opening." Source: AP report in New York Times, 4-6-93 p A9. Yes, I agree that the timing was very bad. I am worried about something else, though. I have reason to suspect that Bradley Smith (of CODOH) and his "boss" Willis Carto are planning something "special" (that is, "upsetting" or "disruptive") to coincide with the opening of the museum that the something "special" might take place in the Washington, D.C. area. I already know of something Bradley had in the pipeline before to coincide with the opening, but that plan fell through. But possibly, he might now have something else in the pipeline. Can you tell me more about when the museum is to open? I only know that it is sometime in April, which means "very soon". Do you want me to send you information of what Bradley had in the pipeline before, but that had fallen through? You know, if the new Clinton political appointing DOES cause a delay in the museum opening, them maybe that will mess up whatever "special" Bradley might have now in the pipeline. -- Regards, -- Cecelia Mu"llermeder ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 09:25:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Online opportunities and challenges From: IN%"jem@nysernet.ORG" 13-APR-1993 17:47:57.82 To: IN%"jem@nysernet.ORG" "Multiple recipients of list" CC: Subj: New listserver, sample Jewish organization installation Return-path: Received: from JNET-DAEMON by APSU.BITNET (PMDF #3006 ) id <01GWXY01MH3K8ZDWCK@APSU.BITNET>; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:47:46 CST Received: From SUVM(BITMAIL) by APSU with Jnet id 1651 for CAMPBELLD@APSU; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:47 CST Received: from SUVM by SUVM (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 6907; Tue, 13 Apr 93 18:45:06 LCL Received: from nysernet.ORG by SUVM.SYR.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 13 Apr 93 18:44:43 LCL Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nysernet.ORG (5.65/3.1.090690-NYSERnet Inc.) id AA14440; Tue, 13 Apr 93 18:44:29 -0400 Date: 13 Apr 1993 18:44:29 -0400 From: goodblat@nysernet.ORG (Avrum Goodblat) Subject: New listserver, sample Jewish organization installation Sender: jem@nysernet.ORG To: Multiple recipients of list Errors-to: goodblat@nysernet.ORG Reply-to: jem@nysernet.ORG Message-id: <9304132241.AA13704@nysernet.ORG> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Originator: email@example.com Precedence: bulk X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Jewish Electronic Mail Welcome back from Pesach, everyone. For those of you who are wondering WHEN I am finally going to start up the Methodology discussion over on Jem-mod, the delay is due to learning the new features of Listserver 6.0, which was installed a couple of months ago. FYI, here are some of the new capabilities: (or just old ones that I didn't know about) Interactive client/server, similar to but more powerful than ftp. Free-text search of archives to retrieve files ability to hide your presence on a list, request acknowledgement of messages and several other subscriber options auto-archiving of messages and digests (an old feature somewhat expanded) In fact, a listserver is a special type of computer conferencing system, with much in common with netnews and compuserve sig's (conceptually, anyway). My own background has been in computer-supported cooperative work, which is the general title given to such tools (there are alot more types than those). Computer bulletin board systems are a very primitive type of computer conferencing system. Unfortunately, may very powerful tools never get used because they are not easily understood or used. It is very hard to design a computer tool which is both powerful and easy to use. Really collaborative work, of the kind that we hope to encourage in Jewish community activities, require much more than just simple email, both technically and organizationally speaking. Unfortunately, due to budget constraints (like, we just don't have a budget;-) the documentation and tools are not as powerful as we would like. I encourage those who are interested to ftp or file request the documentation and read through it completely, sending questions here to clarify what and how. This is especially true for moderators. A related problem is how to introduce these tools into a normal education or social service institution. It ain't easy, due to many factors that are hard to predict if you have not worked in one of these sorts of places. Today, for example, I spent 3 hours trying to get a very willing and interested office ready for a seminar I hope to present there on Thursday. This is the culmination of 4 meetings and several phone calls, totalling at least 8 hours (not including today's 3). What happened was this: The institution has 2 computers and will be buying a 3rd. They were willing and interested in providing us over here at israel.nysernet with files to post - but they weren't sure which files were the important ones. Most of their material is sitting in one file directory - 10 megabytes in about 1700 files. For those of you who know DOS, you may realize that ANY operation in a directory that size is VERY slow. Also, there was NO backup of any of the files. And no easy way to identify files to decide what could be deleted. And even better, the word processing program is obsolete, requires a key disk (which has been in constant use for 5 years), and was developed by a local company which I am told has gone out of business. That means that there is a Chernobyl waiting to happen. Now, certainly since I don't get paid for any of this, and my own motivation is to promoted networking, I could consider fixing their backup, program, and file situation not my department. But if I don't help them, they won't really be able to participate well in the project. They cannot hire me to fix it, because their parent organization has assigned such task to a 3rd support company, but they cannot seem to get the help they need from that 3rd party. This is typical of most of those institutions that are the prime ones to participate in the Jewish Communications Projects. There are dozens of offices like this in Jerusalem alone. Each one requires at least one full week of training, motivation, selling, and technical assistance. Usually, the same interest in networking extends to such issues as DTP, cd-rom publishing, fax, and other communication medium. Of course there are solutions to each of these problems - but they all take time and effort. Each task alone is not large, but taken in aggregate, they can be enormous. To add to the confusion, there are also the cultural problems - in the above-mentioned office, for example, are native Israelis (both Ashkenazim and Sefaradim), Americans, British, and French. There are 3 word processors used, each for a fairly good reason, and a new one perhaps about to be introduced. And this has all happened before - I have discovered several proposals that have been made over the last 10 years to set up Jewish networks. The last one I heard about was one written up and pursued by IBM at least 5 years ago. It seemed that it never got off the ground in the end because of lack of funding (maybe if they had found the money, IBM would be in better shape today ) If anyone out there knows of students or others coming to Israel to visit, and are interested in helping the development of Jewish networking, we can place them very quickly in any one of a number of institutions, of all sorts. There won't be any pay, of course, but they will certainly have a good email connection! Avrum Goodblatt project manager, NY-Israel project of Nysernet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 11:52:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Medicine in Warsaw Ghetto Date: 12 Apr 1993 00:18:39 -0600 (CST) From: RICHARD JENSEN Charles G. Roland. Death Under Siege: Starvation, Disease, and Death in the Warsaw Ghetto (Oxford UP, April 1993, 320pp $30. Charles G. Roland, professor of the History of Medicine at McMaster U in Canada, focuses on the roles of doctors, nurses and aides in the Warsaw Ghetto (1941-43). He describes the creation of a clandestine medical school, and research done on starvation. --from publisher's blurb ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:30:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: NO Series Documents From: SMTP%"firstname.lastname@example.org" "Danny Keren" 15-APR-1993 12:46:54.65 Subj: NO Series Documents I would be grateful if someone can tell me where to find the transcripts of the original Nazi documents, presented at post-WW2 trials, of the NO series (e.g. NO-5574). At Brown's library it is easy to locate the PS series, but I am having difficulties tracing the NO's. Thanks, -Danny Keren. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 09:18:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising: 50th Anniversary Program From: ORG%"jem@nysernet.ORG" 15-APR-1993 09:53:19.68 To: Multiple recipients of list CC: Subj: WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING 50TH ANNIVERSARY: A Visitor's ABC Received: From SUVM(BITMAIL) by APSU with Jnet id 9286 for CAMPBELLD@APSU; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:53 CST Received: from SUVM by SUVM (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7535; Thu, 15 Apr 93 10:50:16 LCL Received: from nysernet.ORG by SUVM.SYR.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 15 Apr 93 10:47:15 LCL Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 10:47:06 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nysernet.ORG (5.65/3.1.090690-NYSERnet Inc.) id AA01248; Thu, 15 Apr 93 10:47:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9304151445.AA01202@nysernet.ORG> Errors-To: goodblat@nysernet.ORG Reply-To: jem@nysernet.ORG Originator: email@example.com Sender: jem@nysernet.ORG Precedence: bulk From: Shelomoh*S*ZIENIUK <27916070%PLEARN.BITNET@nysernet.ORG> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING 50TH ANNIVERSARY: A Visitor's ABC X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Jewish Electronic Mail Mincha, Tish(a Yamim La(Omer, Yom Chamishi, Y"D b'Nisan ThShN"G; Universita Varsha b'Varsha, Galut HaMara Meod. SHALOM ALL! Those of You visiting The Ghetto City these days might be interested in the following events timetable (abridged): 19:00, Fri., 16th April, '93: Kabbalat Shabbat service at the Nozyk Shul (6 Twarda Street, Warsaw -- a 10 mins' walk from the Palace of Science & Culture: the tallest building in the city's centre, & the same distance from the Central Railway Station). 09:30, Sat., 17th April, " : Shacharit L'Shabbat service, Nozyk Shul. 11:30, Sun., 18th April, " : The Fallen Ones Memorial service, Nozyk Shul. 13:00, Sun., 18th April, " : Memorial Ceremony at the Jewish Cemetery (Okopowa Street, Warsaw). 18:00, Sun., 18th April, " : Official Arts Programme at the Congress Hall (a building adjacent to the Palace of Science & Culture, which -- like the Shul -- is located a quarter's walk from most of downtown hotels: Bristol, Forum, Victoria, Europejski, Holiday Inn, Marriott). 12:00, Mon., 19th April, " : Laying of Wreaths at the Ghetto Heros Monument. Shabbat Shalom UL'Hitraot B'Varsha! Shelomoh*Slawek*ZIENIUK, student, Univ. of Warsaw (Dept. of Hebrew), Warsaw. ani shalom v'khi adaber hema lamilchama: -- Tehillim Q"K:Z' Guest e-mail account: <firstname.lastname@example.org> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 10:29:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Special Opportunity for Archival Research From: "Meghan Laslocky, NEH" Subject: Special Opportunity for Archival Research The National Endowment for the Humanities has undertaken an initiative to commemorate the 2500th anniversary of the birth of democracy and to celebrate the spread of democratic institutions in our own time. In pursuit of this initiative, the Endowment now announces a special opportunity for scholars seeking support for individual or collaborative research to be undertaken in archives abroad. The Endowment is especially interested in projects reflecting emerging opportunities for research in recently opened archives in newly-democratized countries, such as the former Warsaw Pact countries of Eastern Europe or the republics of the former Soviet Union. Projects may address topics in any field of the humanities, but preference will be given to projects that investigate documents whose physical condition or whose uncertain future access necessitates urgent attention. Applications will be reviewed on the basis of the significance of the project for the humanities and the importance of the proposed archival research to the completion of that project. Grants will provide limited support for travel (to a maximum of $2,800), living expenses (not to exceed $1,250 per month), and research expenses (including duplication of materials). The proposed grant period must be three or more weeks in duration, and the total request cannot exceed a maximum of $20,000. This special opportunity is offered under the current guidelines for the Division of Research programs, and applications will be evaluated according to the "Evaluation Criteria" published in the Guide to the Division of Research Programs (1992): p. 24. Applicants for this special opportunity will be asked to submit a narrative description of the project (not to exceed 5 single-spaced pages) outlining the methodology and workplan of the proposed archival project, explaining the importance of the archival collection(s) to be visited and the research materials to be consulted, and demonstrating the impact and significance of the project for the humanities in general. Applicants will also be asked to indicate how access to the research collection(s) will be secured. Eligibility is limited to U.S. citizens and foreign nationals who have been living in the United States or its jurisdictions for at least three years prior to the time of application. Work undertaken to satisfy requirements for an academic degree is ineligible for support from this program. For information and application forms, prospective applicants should contact Special Opportunity for Archival Research (S.O.A.R.) NEH Interpretive Research Program, Room 318 1100 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20506 telephone 202/606-8210 Inquiries about the program may be directed through e-mail to NEHRES@GWUVM.GWU.EDU (INTERNET) or NEHRES@GWUVM (BITNET). E-mail messages should list "Archival Research" in the subject line. The deadline for receipt of applications is May 11, 1993. Thereafter, proposals will be accepted for review at bi-monthly deadlines, subject to availability of funds. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:58:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Telnet access to Jewish libraries From: RICHARD JENSEN Subject: Telnet access to Jewish libraries Several libraries specializing in Judaica are available via telnet. For example, you can access JTS' library by telnetting to 'jtsa.edu' At username, type 'ALEPH'. You will be logged into our library catalog system. Several other libraries (Bar Ilan, Hebrew University are just a few) also allow for telnet access. Naomi Steinberger (email@example.com) can provide you with a list of several sites which allow for telnet access. ****************************************************************************** Michael I. Starr Jewish Theological Seminary of America Manager, Computer Operations 3080 Broadway mistarr@JTSA.EDU New York, NY 10027 (212) 678-8901 (212) 678-8002 (fax) ****************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 09:06:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: delete delete holocaus chetter@UCTHPX.UCT.AC.ZA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 09:16:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: AJIN Adds Board Member From: ajin@nysernet.ORG (Am. Jewish Inf. Network) Subject: AJIN Adds Board Member For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 CAREN N. LEVINE JOINS AJIN BOARD For further information, contact firstname.lastname@example.org or any of the board members listed below. The American Jewish Information Network is pleased to announce the addition of Caren N. Levine to its board of directors. Ms. Levine (email@example.com) is Coordinator of Central Agency Services and Networks of the Jewish Education Service of North America (JESNA). A Wexner Graduate Fellow, she is studying toward a doctoral degree in the Department of Communication, Computing and Technology in Education at Teachers College, Columbia University. Ms. Levine earned her B.A. from Barnard College and her M.A. from the Jewish Theological Seminary of America. She has also studied at The Hebrew University in Jerusalem. The mission of the American Jewish Information Network is: To promote the effective use of electronic communications networks by the American Jewish community. To coordinate with the worldwide effort known as the global Jewish information network, and with similar groups in other countries. To help plan, coordinate and facilitate efforts by different groups in the United States to make user-friendly electronic communications accessible to all members of the Jewish community, both individuals and organizations. To raise funds to help support the various projects needed in America for the global Jewish information network. To encourage and educate Jewish organizations to make the most effective use of communications networks to communicate internally, to communicate with their members and other Jewish organizations, and to bring their messages to the general public. To assist Jewish organizations and individuals in connecting to the global Jewish information network, and train them in using the resources of the network. The current board of directors for AJIN now includes the following members. firstname.lastname@example.org Alan M. Gallatin email@example.com Daniel Elazar firstname.lastname@example.org Marty Block email@example.com Jonathan Woocher firstname.lastname@example.org Steve Stone email@example.com Rachel Dunaief firstname.lastname@example.org Jerry Krupnick email@example.com Avi Feldblum firstname.lastname@example.org Jeffrey Markel email@example.com Alan Stein firstname.lastname@example.org Caren Levine email@example.com Aaron Schmiedel firstname.lastname@example.org Chaim Dworkin email@example.com Alan Sobel firstname.lastname@example.org Myra Shoub Nelson email@example.com Richard Mandelbaum firstname.lastname@example.org Mark Steinberger email@example.com Rob Slater ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:02:42 CDT Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: Richard Jensen Subject: the word "Holocaust" [forwarded from History] Subject: The Word "Holocaust" (was Re: Ignorance of the Holocaust) From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Tal Kubo) Date: 21 Apr 93 16:14:24 EDT In article <9627@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) writes: >> >>Just because people may not know what "Holocaust" specifically refers to >>doesn't mean they don't know about Dachau or Auschwitz. [...] >> >>For example, the term "Holocaust" did not signify to me the mass murder of >>European Jews during WW II until about 10 yrs. ago. But 20 yrs. ago, when >>I was 10 or so, I certainly knew about German concentration camps and >>that six million Jews were killed. >> > >Until I heard the media in USA use the term "holocaust", I thought that >holocaust was a generic term that meant mass destruction by fire. The word "holocaust" is derived from a Greek word referring to the sacrificial burning of animals. I think this is reason enough to prefer other less burdened terms, such as "Judeocide", "massacre of Jews", etc. Another reason to avoid the word "holocaust" is that it is too euphemistic and does not make specific reference to Jews or to murder. Using such terms one runs the risk of the cynical "appropriation" of history for political purposes, whereby the crime is somehow depicted as universal ("crimes against humanity", the pink triangle, etc). [If you think I'm kidding, consider this: on this university campus the only visible symbol at the recent ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the Warsaw ghetto uprising was a huge pink tetrahedron with the words "In Memory"; the campus gay/lesbian group had insinuated itself into the organization of the ceremony, with predictable results.] Finally, as the previous poster notes, the word "holocaust" has been so overused in popular media that its meaning has been completely diluted. Elie Wiesel, one of the first to introduce the term into popular use in the 1950's, has written that he regrets having done so, for precisely this reason. Longer, more prosaic, more specific terms like "Nazi extermination of European Jewry" are less susceptible to overuse and semantic drift. Tal email@example.com p.s. People in the Boston area may be interested in a 3-part television documentary on the history of anti-Semitism; the first part is broadcast at 9:00 PM tonight (Wed Apr 21) on WGBH. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 09:10:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Re: Existence of Holocaust courses From: SMTP%"KRENG@ksuvm.ksu.edu" "George M. Kren" 21-APR-1993 19:40:53.91 To: CC: Subj: Re: Existence of Holocaust courses I very much would appreciate it if you could locate a list of universities whic h offer courses on the Holocaust. Many thanks. George M. Kren ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 10:47:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Holocaust list protocol From: SMTP%"FISHMAN%SNYFARVA.firstname.lastname@example.org" 21-APR-1993 21:37:50.89 To: email@example.com CC: Subj: Holocaus List Protocol Jim, I was very happy to learn of the Holocaus list and promptly signed on. So far, I've received no messages--is this usual? Also, I would appreciate knowing the following: a. do you have specific lists--names, university affiliation, addresses--for profs who teach courses on, or including, the Holocaust? I ask because my publisher, Texas Tech, has agreed to send brochures on two of my books to those individuals. The books have both been Alternate Selections for the Jewish Book Club (very atypical for collections of poetry): _Blood to Remember: American Poets on the Holocaust_ _The Death Mazurka_ b. would it be appropriate for me to announce the availability of these books on the list? When I spoke at the 23rd Annual Scholars' Conf. on the Holocaust and the German Church Struggle in Tulsa last month, all copies sold out . . . but distribution so far has been very weak and teachers who might want to use these books may not even be aware of them. I'm grateful to you for starting up this list. Currently, I'm teaching Holocaust Literature at SUNY Farmingdale. My proposed course, "Poetry After Auschwitz" (taught last semester at the Univ. of Delaware, using _Blood to Remember_), has been turned down by our benighted Dean! Cordially, ****************** Charles Fishman Dist. Prof. of Eng & Hum SUNY Farmingdale ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 15:22:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Need reference on Nazi medical experiments From: SMTP%"bw%ws029.torreypinesca.NCR.COM@uicvm.uic.edu" "Bruce White 3807" 22-APR-1993 15:04:55.08 To: firstname.lastname@example.org CC: Subj: Need reference on Nazi medical experiments I think that CNN had a story last year about some type of medical ethics debate regarding using some of the data from Nazi medical experiments. Are there any books which discuss these experiments? I've read a few pages here and there in different Holocaust books, and am looking for more material. --- Bruce ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 08:59:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: re Holocaust courses From: SMTP%"Armand.Lauffer@um.cc.umich.edu" 22-APR-1993 18:01:31.02 To: JIMMOTT@spss.com CC: Subj: same The University of Michigan is one such place. We have, from time ti time, history courses on the H, and ofter literature of the H courses. Write to Todd Endelman, Prof of History and Chair of Judaic Studies, UM, AA Mich 48109 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 15:11:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Research information wanted [forwarded from Judaica] From: SMTP%"DAVIDN%SARA.NL@taunivm.tau.ac.il" "David Niemeijer" 27-APR-19 93 15:03:55.89 To: Multiple Recipients of CC: Subj: Research Information Wanted (keywords: Poland, Jews) TO ALL, For my thesis in Social Anthropology I am working on a research project on the history of Jasliska (Yiddish: Yoshlisk), a village in south-eastern Poland (Krosno district). In this village I conducted field research including topical and life-history interviews with Polish villagers. I also carried out extensive archival research in several Polish archives. At present I am trying to get in contact with Jewish survivors or their descendants from JASLISKA and neighbourhood. If you know anyone who fits this category, please contact me (also for any questions concerning this announcement). As is normal for this kind of research I guarantee strict confidential treatment of all information. Please do not reply to this list but contact me privately. Thank you very much for taking notice, Rosa Lehmann Het Hoogt 262 E-mail: c/o David Niemeijer 1025 HG Amsterdam DavidN@sara.nl or The Netherlands A900niem@hasara61.earn or Fax no: 31-2155-28120 A900niem@hasara61.bitnet P.S. Some family names of possible survivors: MENDLOWICZ, LEJZOR, OLING, BEER, SZEL. (N.B: Names are not consistently spelled by the various sources.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:09:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Medical experiments From: SMTP%"N330044@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu" 27-APR-1993 17:02:05.71 To: email@example.com CC: Subj: Medical experiments Check the books by Robert Lifton and Michael Kater, as well as books on Josef M Mengele. You can write to Kater at York University in Toronto, Canada... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 10:00:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: Oral History Division of the Hebrew University Forwarded from LISTSERV@TAUNIVM.BITNET Subj: File: "ORALHIS JS-ICJ" Oral History Division of the Institute of Contemporary Jewry Academic Director: Dov Levin Assistant Director: Rikki Garti General Field: Contemporary Jewry Background and Objectives: The Oral History Division of the Hebrew University's Institute of Contemporary Jewry has recorded interviews with over 5,000 individuals in 210 projects on various aspects of 20th century Jewish history and life. Gathering this material directly from those who experienced the relevant events, the Oral History Division preserves and provides access to testimonies valuable to a broad spectrum of researchers in Contemporary Jewry and related fields. The increasing number of interviews and growing interest in their contents has created a need for more efficient registration and comprehensive access to all materials available in the Oral History Division. Computerization of the collection has begun at the Institute's Bibliographical Center and Contemporary Jewry Database, available online via the ALEPH network. Current Status: - As of 1979, the Oral History Division has published five catalogs of interviews. Many are available on microfiche and microfilm. - Catalog No. 6, containing information and interviews recorded since Catalog No. 5, has been indexed, annotated, registered and prepared for publication by Garland Publishers in the summer of 1989, at the Institute of Contemporary Jewry's Bibliographical Center. - The descriptions in Catalog No. 6 are now available online at the Institute of Contemporary Jewry's Bibliographical Center through the ALEPH computer network of the Hebrew University. Future Plans: - Editing of the interview, interviewee and project indexes for computerized registration and retrieval. - Updating and editing of previously published catalogs as well as yet unpublished material, including information registered in card catalogs. - Preparation and registration of a comprehensive subject index for computerized access. - Training interviewers to register summaries of interviews directly onto computers for more efficient record-keeping and access. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 09:02:00 EST Reply-To: Holocaust List Sender: Holocaust List From: JIMMOTT@spss.com Subject: President Herzog Speech at Holocaust Museum Opening [forward from Hillel] GREETINGS BY THE PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL, MR. CHAIM HERZOG, AT THE DEDICATION OF THE WASHINGTON HOLOCAUST MUSEUM WASHINGTON, D.C. - APRIL 22, 1993 This historic occasion taking place in the capital city of the leader of the free world is so pregnant with significance as to make it impossible in a short period of time to encompass all that it represents. Fifty years ago the Jewish people for whom I, President of the Jewish State, serve as a spokesman here, were victims of a society and a philosophy which sank to the lowest depths of bestial cruelty. Six million Jews - one third of our people - were annihilated by the enormously efficient machine set up by the Nazis and their collaborators in many of the countries of Europe. The misery brought to the world by Nazism took a heavy toll in many countries, in addition to the price paid by my people. In Jerusalem, but a few days ago, in the world Jewish Center of Remembrance for the victims of the Holocaust - Yad Vashem - I addressed a nation part of which had literally risen out of the ashes. I looked at the survivors of the Holocaust who had come to the haven of our peole, which is Israel, who had embarked on a new life and had built a new society of which we are so proud. I saw their children and grandchildren for whom the Holocaust is but a memory, a nightmare which their parents and grandparents have recounted to them. This is a nightmare brought to life in our consciousness by the numbers tatooed on the arms of the survivors, who are still with us. Again, but a few days ago, the people of Israel, the representatives of the Jewish people and the people of Poland, led by President Lech Walesa, commemorated in Warsaw the 50th Anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. In that uprising, 700 scantily armed young men and women fought off thousands of well-equipped German troops in an incredible 27 days of heroic fighting. For them, resistance signified defiant courage and faith in the future of the Jewish people. The flame lit in Warsaw continues to burn in our memory, inspiring participation in the Israel War of Independence and subsequent struggles for life. For the legacy of heroism and dedication, our people will be forever grateful. in our capital city, Jerusalem, it is part of the memory of the Jewish people throughout the world. It is part of the conscience of all peoples in the free world. How appropriate are the words of the Psalmist: "For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling. I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living." We here today, Americans, Israelis, and the representatives of many other countries, commemorate an historic turning point of such extraordinary horror and evil that it dare not be forgotten - the Holocaust, that great lesson in man's capacity for inhumanity, when moral restraints are cast aside. Despite random but despicable and disturbing attempts at denial, we know that there has never been anything like that gigantic, industrialized death machine, exterminating hundreds and thousands daily as a matter of course, and aiming to eliminate the entire Jewish people and its culture. I speak here not only as the President of Israel just arrived from Jerusalem, but as one whose own life was touched marginally but deeply by the Holocaust. Many of my family, men, women and children, were destroyed in the Nazi gas chambers. As a young officer from Palestine, as it was then, serving in the British Army, one of a million and a half Jewish soldiers serving in the Allied Forces, I was a member of the first Allied division to cross the German border in the West. As we advanced, we encountered the still hardly known horror of the concentration camps. Nobody who saw those terrifying scenes will ever forget them. I was later one of a small group to whom Himmler, chief perpetrator of the vast ghastly murder, surrendered, and was present at the surrender of the northern German army, Armee Gruppe Ems. When we reached Bergen Belsen, we were shattered by the horrifying evidence of starvation, torture and disease, and by the final epidemic of typhus raging there. To one who has seen anything of the Holocaust even marginally, it ceases to be an abstract concept and becomes a searing actuality never to be forgotten. In this audience are many who survived the ghastly horrors of the concentration camps, after having seen their near ones and dear ones annihilated, including some of the one-and-a-half million innocent Jewish children who were exterminated. A few years ago, on the occasion of the first historic State Visit to the Federal Republic of Germany of the President of Israel, President von Weizsacker escorted me to the same camp, Bergen Belsen, and shared the agony of remembrance. Indeed, my State Visits as President of Israel took me to a number of concentration camps in Germany, in Czechoslovakia, in Poland and in Holland. In each of these camps we dedicated a rock from the hills of Jerusalem, bearing the words of the psalm, "and my sorrow is forever before me", and I swore on behalf of my people never to forget, never to forgive. For us in Israel, which was to become the refuge of hundreds of thousands of survivors, the claims of rehabilitation and new life are paramount. We lament the many who might have been with us, and we sorrow for the vitality and talents lost, not only to us but to humanity as a whole. Sadly recalling that there were those who knew and didn't act, we are determined to maintain a strong, viable and independent country based on the memories of the past, the hopes for the future, the dignity of man and the equality of all before God, a tower of strength, a haven when needed. The United States of America led the free world to victory in the struggle against evil, against the Nazi regime and its allies in so many countries in Europe. It led the free world in demolishing and eradicating the wicked Nazi and Fascist regimes. It has always been in the forefront of the struggle against wickedness and tyranny as it was, indeed, but two years ago in Operation Desert Storm. Its major role in bringing this Museum into being is a natural corollary of its defense of freedom. The governments of the United States led by the Presidents - past and present - have, in keeping with the great traditions of this country, and mindful of the lessons to be learnt for humanity, generously contributed to the establishment of this center. In this, too, the United States has adopted its natural role of leadership for which all free people in the world must be forever grateful. In this connection, I wish to pay tribute to the Holocaust Memorial Council, headed by Mr. Harvey Meyerhoff, for its enterprise and successful achievement which is evident before our eyes today. Nazism, Fascism and Racism have taught us and revealed to us the depth to which the human being can descend. For us, one of the major lessons has been that it is not sufficient to have justice on your side, it is essential to be strong enough to defend it. We learned that there is only one answer to dictatorship and tyranny, and that is to stand up and fight and meet challenges head on. For my people and for the State of Israel, the memory of the victims of the Holocaust is not only treausred as a memory, but as a moral imperative which binds us. But how are new generations, removed in time, to learn the lessons of the Holocaust, so that mankind learns its lesson and we are all convinced that such tragedies can never be duplicated? How much a museum can do, we have learned in Israel from the role played by the main central and universal Holocaust memorial institution, Yad Vashem, in Jerusalem. The details recalled by the fraction that survived, the historic evidence painstakingly gathered, are all stones in the structure of commemoration. May this new museum, situated in the capital of the free world, in exposing the unspeakable evil and suffering of the Holocaust, strengthen the commitment to life, to tolerance and human kinship, among all who visit it, indeed, among the generations to come.
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