Archive/File: imt/nca/supp-b/nca-sb-02-rosenberg.05 Last-Modified: 1997/11/24 Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression, Supplement B "The Final Solution of the Jewish Problem" Testimony of Alfred Rosenberg, taken at Nurnberg, Germany, on 4 October 1945, 1030-1215, by Lt. Col. Thomas A. Hinkel, IGD. Also present: 1st Lt. Joachim Stenzel, Interpreter; Pvt. Clair Van Vleck, Court Reporter. Q. I show you a photostatic reproduction of a six-page docu- [Page 1353] ment, which is undated, and I ask you if you recall receiving the original of this document? For the record, it is identified as 212-PS. A. I cannot imagine who could have sent in this report. Q. Do you recall receiving it? A. And I do not recall having read it. Q. Were the ideas expressed therein in accordance with the ideas that you had expressed at various times? A. The entire handling of the Jewish problem was very definitely in the sphere of the chief of the German Police. On the other hand, I myself was in strict accord with the idea of curbing the individual activities of the population, to limit the Jews to certain districts, to put them to work, and so forth, and I have expressed that at various times. Q. Isn't it a fact that the things set forth in this document were things which actually happened to the Jews in Russia? A. I have not read that thoroughly. I did not read the report and there have been attacks and outrages on Jews, that were committed during the advance of the Wehrmacht, particularly, on Jews that were in any way identified with the Soviet government. Q. Were not Jews required, for example, to wear the Star of David in Russia? A. I don't remember whether that was ever put through, because in Russia the Jews were living in separate districts in the villages and towns anyhow. Q. They were segregated, were they not, into ghettos? A. That was done gradually. At the very beginning, it was not done yet, but then as things developed they were segregated. Q. Wasn't an effort made to remove Jewish influence from political, economic, cultural, and social fields? A. To me, the important thing was to remove the influence of the Jews from the work of the Ukrainian population. What they did internally I do not know, and I never received any reports on that anyway. Q. You have a report before you that indicates what was contemplated would happen to the Jews, is that right? A. Well, I don't know whether those things were ever put into practice. Q. Did you ever try to find out if they were? A. I remember discussing the business of the Jewish life within Germany with Himmler once, and he said that in the camps, within 10 days, they had created their own social life, and I got [Page 1354] the impression that the entire internal living conditions or social life of these people was more or less left to their own devices. Q. You will note, in the first part of that document, that a statement is made to the effect that the whole Jewish question could be solved in general for all of Europe after the war, at the latest? A. I have never participated in any discussions on the Jewish problem at all. Q. You never have, at any time? A. No, I have never taken part in any sessions or conversation on the solution of the Jewish problem, but I had my own views on that particular subject. I always felt that gradually it would be possible to increase the influence of Zionism and reduce the number of Jews in Germany by creating a place where they would be all by themselves in their Jewish homeland. Q. Did you know the responsibility that was to be assigned to the SD and the Gestapo in the final solution of the European Jewish problem? A. There was a very definite and very clear decree, in which it was stated that the entire administration and solution of the Jewish problem was the responsibility of the Secret State Police, and of the Security Service, and that no other agency was supposed to take part or mix themselves into these affairs. Q. Don't you identify that document, that you have before you, as being a report on the manner in which Jews were to be handled in the areas that were under your jurisdiction, even though you did not have jurisdiction over the police functions? A. This evidently was a sort of memorandum that was sent in to me, and which, I have no doubt, was filed like so many other memoranda and circulars and bulletins of a similar sort on various subjects, but I have no recollection of this particular document. Q. Isn't it a fact, that the Jews were treated in the areas under your jurisdiction, as indicated in that memorandum? A. I cannot say that, because as I said before, they were kept separate, and I had no reports on the internal conditions in these separate areas. Q. As a matter of fact, wasn't it part of your problem to feed these people? A. Well, the matter was no doubt handled like this, that the [Page 1355] police reported to the Food Administrator the number of persons that were to be fed. Q. Didn't you have representatives in all the larger towns and cities of the areas which had been assigned to you, and didn't those representatives make reports from time to time of their activities? A. Well, I wish to emphasize again that I was sitting in Berlin, and I was responsible only for the entire policy in its greater lines. For the territories, separately, the Reichcommissars were responsible, who had been placed into their positions by the Fuehrer. Under the Reichcommissars were the general commissars. The only reports I received were from the Reichcommissars and from the general commissars, and I had no other separate system of reporting. I did not have a board that would travel and give me any special reports besides those that I received through the normal channels, from these Reichcommissars and general commissars. Q. That may be, but you not only received written reports, but you had numerous people come to Berlin to tell you about these things that were happening in these areas, isn't that right? A. Oh, yes, there have been people who were sent, for instance, from the staff of the ministry to have discussions with members of the territorial administration, or maybe one of the commissars was coming by, or maybe other officers, that had lived in the area, would come and report to me informally. Q. Yes, and many of them talked to you, didn't they? A. Very frequently I would say, but certainly I do remember a few with whom I talked. Q. You have been interested in the Jewish question for years, haven't you? A. But I was so overburdened with the work of establishing my own Ministry, and the entire Jewish problem was so neatly separate from any of my responsibilities, that I did not spend any time on that, and concerned myself exclusively with the responsibility that actually lay with me. Q. You mean you never discussed the Jewish problem with anybody from the time you were appointed Minister for the Eastern Occupied Territories, is that your statement? A. Well, it is correct that I have not spent any more time on those details, that is right. Q. You have been interested in the Jewish problem for years and during the time that you were editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter you wrote numerous articles regarding it, isn't that right? A. Yes. [Page 1356] Q. I find it a little difficult to believe, that with all the interest you have had in this problem for so many years, that you would drop it so suddenly when you became Minister for Occupied Eastern Territories, and wouldn't have enough curiosity regarding the treatment of the people under your own jurisdiction, that you wouldn't ask anybody or receive any reports about it. A. It was always our habit that, once an assignment was given to a man, nobody else meddled with the man that had the assignment. Q. That may be, that it wasn't your responsibility. I will go along with you to that extent, regarding the treatment of these Jews, but you were certainly informed of the treatment that they received, and you knew about it. A. Well, in great lines I naturally had to assume that they were being housed fairly well, and that they were fed, and that they had work to do like, for instance, in the city of Lodz. Q. You know that isn't the report you received, as to what was happening to these people, in the areas, over which you had jurisdiction. You know that the reports you received indicated that they were being treated, just as the memorandum you have just read indicates they were going to be treated, isn't that right? A. That they were separated, that they had working assignments, that they were making coats and shoes and things like that, like they did in the city of Lodz, that I knew, but that the conditions were naturally somewhat difficult, I fully realized. Q. Yes, and you knew that they were being treated very much in the manner set forth in this memorandum. A. That I cannot state in detail, because I was not informed in detail.
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