From email@example.com Wed Apr 24 10:46:43 PDT 1996 Article: 32484 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!news.eden.com!usenet From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Mike Curtis) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: JEWS and WANNSEE Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:26:41 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 147 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: net-3-099.austin.eden.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 firstname.lastname@example.org (Mike Curtis) wrote: >Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >>But, let's consider the famed Protocols of Zion which allegedly >>lay the groundwork for the Jews and >>their New World Order. Naturally, I have read this document and >>find amazing just how much has >>come to pass since their discovery. Now everyone is told that the >>Protocols of Zion are a forgery. In >>fact, I believe the U.S. Congress even passed some sort of >>resolution declaring them a fraud. To >>the best of my knowledge, the Protocols of Zion are not signed, >>officially stamped, no "original" is >>available, and Professor Nilus also "discovered" this manuscript, >>(a translation handed to him by a >>friend who vouched for it's authenticity). But, the Protocols of >>Zion have predicted, with extreme >>accuracy, many of the events that have developed to the present >>time. >Same old crap Swiger. and let's see, how many times have you been told >that it didn't take congress to make them forgeries. >From Paul Johnson's _History of the Jews_, Harper and Row, 1987: >" It was the commonest of all anti-Semitic smears that Jews 'worked >together' behind the scenes. The notion of a general Jewish >conspiracy, involving secret meetings of Jewish sages, was inherent in >the medieval blood libel and had reached written form on numerous >occasions. Napoleon I's summoning of the Sanhedrin gave it unfortunate >impetus. Thereafter it had become part of the stock-in-trade of the >Tsarist secret police, the Okhrana. It was part of the grievances of >this body thatthe Tsars were not sufficiently assiduous in putting >down radical conspiracies, especially Jewish ones. At some point int >the 1890s, one of their Paris agents was asked to concoct a document >which could be used to demonstrate to Nicholas II the reality of the >Jewish threat. The forger, whoever he was, used a pamphlet by Maurice >Joly, written in 1864, attributing to Napoleon III ambitions to >dominate the world. The original had no reference to the Jews at all, >but for the monarch was now substituted a secret conference of Jewish >leaders who states that, by exploiting modern democracy, they were >close to attaining their objectives. This was the origin of the >*Protocols of the Elders of Zion." (pp. 455-6) >Well, it didn't work and the Tsar wasn't impressed. He even wrote on >the document: "A worthy cause is not defended by evil means." >Johnson continues: "The police then planted it in various quarters and >in 1905 it first attained published form as an additional chapter in >Serge Nilus' book *The Great Little*. It aroused little interest." >He goes on to point out how it was used during the Bolshevik >revolution against Lenin and his putsch and the association of Jews >within it. Let's jump to page 70 of Richard Pipes' _The Russian >Revolution_ published in paper by Vintage Books in 1991: >"The bureaucratic conservatives and their supporters on the extreme >right wing of public opinion relied heavily on anti-Semitism as an >instrument of politics. Although modern anti-Semitism originated in >France and Germany, it is in Russia that it entered official ideology. >To the conservatives, Jews presented the single most dangerous threat >to that political and social stability which they regarded as the main >concern of state policy. Jews destabalized Russia in two capacities: >as revolutionaries and as capitalists. The police authorities were >convinced that they formed the principle element in the revolutionary >parties: Nicholas II only echoed them when he claimed that nine-tenths >of the revolutionaries and socialists in Russia were Jews. But Jews >also upset the socioeconomic equilibrium of Russia by introducing free >market operations. The obvious contradiction in the claim that the >members of the same religious group were both beneficiaries and mortal >foes of capitalism was resolved in the *Protocols of the Elders of >Zion*, a scurrilous forgery concocted at the end of the nineteenth >century by the tsarist police, which claimed that in the pursuit of >their alleged historic mission--the destruction of Christianity and >world domination--Jews resorted to every conceivable means, even to >the extent of organizing pogroms against themselves. . . Although >(with some minor exceptions) the Imperial Government did not >encourage, let alone instigate, anti-Jewish pogroms, its unconcealed >policy of discrimination against Jews and the tolerance of >anti-Semitic propaganda conveyed to the population the impression that >it approved of them." >Richard Pipes on page 101 of _Russia Under the Bolchevik Regime_, >Knopf, 1993 says: >". . .*Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a forgery fostered, and >perhaps partially created by the Tsarist police; having attracted >scant attention on publication in 1902, the *Protocols* now gained >worldwide notoriety. . . The connection between Jewry and Communism, >drawn in the aftermath of the Revolution and exported from Russia to >Weimar Germany, was instantly assimilated by Hitler and made into a >cardinal tenent of the Nazi movement." >Page 105: "Finally, there was the murder of the Imperial family, >particulars of which emerged during the winter of 1918-19. The killing >was immediately blamed on the Jews, who had in fact played a secondary >role in it; the fate of the ex-tsar was identified with the martyrdom >of christ and interpreted in the light of the *Protocols* as yet >another step in the Jewish march to world mastery." >Page 255: "The work . . .is the so-called *Protocols of the Elders of >Zion*, a forgery that, in the words of its historian, Norman Cohn, >provided the 'warrant' for Hitler's genocide. The author of this >fabrication has not been identified, but was apparently compiled in >the late 1890s in France from anti-Semitic tracts published during the >Dreyfus Affair under the stimulus of the first international Zionist >Congress, held in Basel in 1897. [Paul Johnson writes of this also, >btw.] The Paris branch of the tsarist Okhrana, the Russian secret >police, seems to have had a hand in it. . . >"The so-called 'Protocols' were first published in 1902 in a St. >Petersburg periodical. Three years later, during the 1905 Revolution, >they came out in book form edited by Sergei Nilus under the title *The >Great in the Small and Anti-Christ*. . . Nilus, its most assiduous >propagator, complained that no one took the book seriously." >Deborah Lipstadt's *Denying the Holocaust* ought to put another nail >in your *Protocols* coffin. On page 24 she informs us that "[t]he >deniers draw inspiration from the *Protocols*, which has enjoyed a >sustained and vibrant life despite the fact it has long been proved a >forgery." >And for the final nail, Lucy Dawidowicz says in *The Holocuast and the >Historians on page 41 says that Normon Cohn's work, mentioned above by >Richard Pipes, on the *Protocols* was a model work on the history of >anti-Semitism. >So this is what we are dealing with in these silly post by Cliff >Swiger. >This ought to do for now. >>So, by ignoring the content of these two documents, we find that >>they are practically mirror images >>of each other based upon the facts presented. I now ask: what >>logic is it that contends one is >>spurious and the other genuine? It is not logic at all friends. >>It is political, religious and racial >>power. "CONTINUED" >By the way cliff you can post many more lines here on usenet than you >could on CIS.
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