Path: news.voyager.net!aanews.merit.net!news.cic.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.aloha.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news2.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: email@example.com (Michael P. Stein) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Why I Believe In Jewish Ritual Murder [cockroach] Date: 29 Jan 1997 10:58:08 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 61 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <199701271921.LAA04547@mailmasher.com> Reply-To: email@example.com NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net In article <199701271921.LAA04547@mailmasher.com>, Huge Cajones Remailer
wrote: >From: firstname.lastname@example.org >Oh boy Annie, your are lost to this world. I feel sorry for you. Race I would >have accepted, religion never. How can you accept a religion which is >the most hateful ever made with NO respect for other human lives and things. >How can you accept such a sick and perverted Talmud teaching like >sex is allowed with littler Girls as long as she is 3 Yeras and one Day old. Not even the Talmud accepts such a sick and perverted teaching. What was sick and perverted was the person who took some words out of context in order to try to fool people into thinking that the Talmud says such a thing. It doesn't - not really. The words, "When a grown man has intercourse with a girl less than three years and a day, it is nothing" really do appear in the Talmud. However, there are two very important things you have to know about those words. First, the phrase "it is nothing" is the literal translation of an idiom that means "it has no bearing on the case under discussion." It does not mean "it is morally acceptable." Second, the case under discussion is the property rights of a bride - a virgin has greater entitlement than a non-virgin. The specific question is: if a girl is raped when she is less than three years old, for the purpose of fixing her property rights at marriage, is she still considered a virgin or not? The law is that she is entitled to the property rights of a virgin. "It is nothing" here means that it has no effect on her rights. Later on in tractate Kiddushin it is made clear that the grown man who does such a thing owes monetary damages on five separate counts. (Personal injuries were considered first as civil matters requiring compensation to the victim; rape was simply another personal injury.) >I am really disappointed in you Annie. But I guess, nobody told you the >truth. Whoever told you about the Talmud did not tell you the truth - not the _whole_ truth. I will very candidly admit that there are some statements in the Talmud which _are_ hateful. However, you must keep in mind that there are many views of many different rabbis reflected there, and many of the hateful statements are not accepted as the definitive law. They should be considered in the same light as dissenting opinions from the Supreme Court - they are the views of the individual, and not the official position of the court. Others require some knowledge of the person and times, such as Shimon bar-Yochai's "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed." Given that this statement contradicts other statements in the Talmud, and has no support elsewhere in the document, it seems pretty clear that he was talking specifically about the Romans against whom he was leading a revolt. But you have to know both his life story in order to know this - that information is _not_ found in the Talmud itself. Do you deny that some Christian leaders have also made hateful statements? Do you consider them representative of Christianity as a whole? Posted/emailed. -- Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth. POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
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