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"Zulu"  wrote in message a écrit :

> Zulu wrote:
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > >My assertion Elie Wiesel is a LIAR is already proved.
> > >
> > > You haven't shown a single lie, stupid.
> >
> > The babies alive in the flames, Phil, need to tell more?
> How does mouth a few words prove something is a lie, stupid.
> Babies were thrown into the flames alive.

Elie Wiesel  has a gift of ubiquity

"EW claims he was "liberated" from Dachau (Jewish Telegraphic Agency,
11 April 1983), "liberated" from Buchenwald (NYT, 2 Nov. 1986), and
"liberated" from Auschwitz (NY Post, 23 Oct. 1986 and NYT, 4 Jan.
1987). One of these claims may be true. The others are false. Do the
professors believe it matters? "

Elie Wiesel enlarges literature's frontiers:

"EW claims in All Rivers Run to the Sea (NY, 1995): "I read (Immanuel
Kant's) The Critique of Pure Reason in Yiddish." Kant's Critique has
not been translated into Yiddish. Here, again, EW did not tell the
truth. Does it matter?"

Elie Wiesel defies anatomy's knowledge and the law of gravity

"EW claims that after Jews were executed at Babi Yar in the Ukraine,
"geysers of blood" spurted from their grave for "months" afterward 
Paroles d'etranger, 1982, p. 86). Impossible? Yes, it is. Do the
professors believe it matters?"

Finally Elie Wiesel can fly:

"...Wiesel moved to New York, where he continued to work as a
correspondent for an Israeli newspaper. Shortly after his arrival, he
was struck by a car near Times Square. Given to exaggeration by 
he later claimed: "I flew an entire block. I was hit at 45th Street
and the ambulance picked me up at 44th. It sounds crazy. But I was
totally messed up."

Office of the Chancellor
Boston University 147
Bay State Road
Boston, Massachusetts 02215

I write to bring to your attention libels that have appeared recently 
in college and university papers concerning Boston University 
professor Elie Wiesel. These have taken the form of advertisements 
placed by the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH) and 
its director. Bradley R. Smith.

Just as surely as a student newspaper would be reluctant to run an 
advertisement in favor of the flat earth theory and no university 
would hire a professor who advocated the flat earth theory, anyone who 
cares about the truth is under an obligation to think twice before 
offering a platform to those who systematically lie by denying the 
Holocaust. Those lies are at the heart of the advertisement submitted 
by Mr. Smith.

The advertisement begins by misunderstanding the idea of the 
university. It is not merely to promote intellectual freedom, but also 
to promote intellectual responsibility in the pursuit of truth. It is 
contrary to the ideal of the university to promote deliberate lies. It 
is also contrary to the propose of the university to participate in 
libeling individuals.

Mr. Smith's libel of Elie Wiesel is multiple.

  1.. He reports that Elie Wiesel claims that he was liberated from 
Dachau, from Buchenwald and from Auschwitz. That is contrary to fact. 
Elie Wiesel wrote in Night that he was liberated from Buchenwald, and 
he has never claimed anything else. Newspapers occasionally get facts 
wrong, and Smith bases his claim about Wiesel not on Wiesel's writings 
but on newspaper reports From these erroneous accounts, Smith claims 
that Wiesel is not a credible witness.

  2.. Smith writes, "Elie Wiesel claims in All Rivers Run to the Sea, 
'I read [Immanuel Kant's] The Critique of Pure Reason in Yiddish.''' 
Smith continues, "Kant's Critique has not been translated into 
Yiddish. Here again, EW did not tell the truth. " But selections from 
Kant's Critique of Practical Reason had been translated into and 
published into Yiddish in pre-war Warsaw - I have a photocopy of the 
title page before me as I write. After the passage of 50 years, Wiesel 
misnamed the Critique he had read in 1945, but his minor slip hardly 
justifies Smith's claim that "EW did not tell the truth."

  3.. Smith writes. "EW claims that after Jews were executed at Babi 
Yar in the Ukraine, 'geysers of blood' spurted from their grave for 
'months' afterward." Wiesel's words are these: "Eye witnesses say that 
for months after the killings the ground continued to spurt geysers of 
blood. One was always treading on corpses." Nowhere did Elie Wiesel 
claim to see geysers of blood, only that he heard these reported.

  4.. Smith claims, "Elie Wiesel as an authority on 'hate' " and Smith 
says he counseled "on how to perpetuate a loathing for Germans." No 
fair-minded person can read Wiesel's "Appointment with Hate" and reach 
that conclusion. Rather, it is a penetrating analysis of his own 
reactions as he visited Germany for the first time following the war. 
He entered Germany hating Germans and ended his visit finding it was 
impossible to hate. In that article, he went on to explain why Jews 
are not inclined to hate and why they did not engage in acts of 
vengeance against the Germans.
Moreover, following his receipt of the Nobel Prize for Peace Elie 
Wiesel has used the substance of his prize to sponsor conferences in 
the United Stales and Moscow and elsewhere on "The Anatomy of Hate:" 
His consistent theme at those conferences, and I have participated in 
two, has been to denounce hate as a corrosive, destructive element in 
human nature that must be replaced with understanding and hope.

The quotation cited by Smith doesn't even support his libel. In the 
quote, Elie Wiesel does not say that every Jew "should set apart a 
zone of hate -- healthy virile hate " for Germans. Rather he said they 
"should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what 
the German personifies and for what persists in the Germans." As the 
Nazi generation has passed from the scene, what Germans personify and 
what persists in the Germans has changed. What Germans personified in 
1945 is not what a different generation of Germans personify today.

Elie Wiesel was invited by the President and Chancellor of Germany to 
speak in Berlin on January 27, 2000, the day of the remembrance of the 
liberation of Auschwitz. That address was notable for the absence of 
hate and the plea for remembrance and forgiveness on which 
reconciliation between Germans and Jews can be possible In that 
address Wiesel commented favorably on Germany's support of Israel, on 
Germany's compensation for the victims of the Third Reich, and on 
Germany's recent initiative in compensating those who were used as 
forced laborers. What is the motivation and purpose of Mr. Smith and 
his CODOH? Why do they find it personally important to deny the 
Holocaust and to abuse and denigrate Professor Wiesel? Isn't it 
relevant to ask? Bradley R. Smith and his Committee for Open Debate on 
the Holocaust are a travesty and a repudiation of all that a 
university should stand for when falsehood is disseminated and truth 
is suppressed

A university should have as one of its purposes to teach students the 
difference between the search for truth and false propaganda. No 
newspaper -- and certainly no newspaper on the campus of a 
university -- is under any obligation to advertise and perpetuate 
vicious lies. Bradley R Smith's advertisement is a repudiation of 
learning, a violation of civil discourse and libelous harassment.


John Silber

>> The liar is you.

>You didn't prove it.

Yes I did, liar.


Philip Mathews

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