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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:56:26 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 2, 4:57 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:50:43 +0200, "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.sltrib.com/personalfinance/ci_13448566
>>
>> The photograph of material stored in the church could be anything. It
>> doesn't have to be "loot". In any case, the contents were likely
>> stolen by the U.S. military personnel who "found" the materials.
>>
>> This type of tendentious and dishonest labelling of photographs is an
>> old propaganda trick. Personally, I find it off-putting.
>
>of course you do. The web site and database are another nail in your
>belief system..

Give it up George. A nameless church in a nameless location filled
with unspecified "loot" isn't really proof of anything. The allies are
much more likely to have used churches as temporary warehouses for
stolen materials than are the Nazis.

In our home town, the local school gymnasium contained mountains of
expensive cameras that the local occupation authorities obliged
people, on threat of execution, to bring there. That was definitely
loot, but it was allied looting.


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On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:50:19 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 2/10/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-97B3A4.03521802102009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> ,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>> news:7iltpcF32f0qrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> >
>>> > "George"  schreef in bericht
>>> > news:821a2d77-51af-448f-a20f-3a505633788e@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>> > On Oct 2, 4:57 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:50:43 +0200, "Heinrich" 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >http://www.sltrib.com/personalfinance/ci_13448566
>>> >>
>>> >> The photograph of material stored in the church could be anything. It
>>> >> doesn't have to be "loot". In any case, the contents were likely
>>> >> stolen by the U.S. military personnel who "found" the materials.
>>> >>
>>> >> This type of tendentious and dishonest labelling of photographs is an
>>> >> old propaganda trick. Personally, I find it off-putting.
>>> >
>>> > of course you do. The web site and database are another nail in your
>>> > belief system..
>>>
>>> But this would be a disaster for the Jews no more holocaust exploitation.
>>
>>
>> How true, it would put zundel out of
>> business
>>
>you imbecile  you cannot even type the name correctly it isZuendel or Zündel 

I believe that Zündel is the man's surname.


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On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:40:13 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>http://www.sherwoodparknews.com/Arti...aspx?e=1762575
>
>Edmonton-Sherwood Park MP Tim Uppal has introduced a private member's bill 
>in the House of Commons that aims at building a Holocaust memorial in 
>Ottawa.
>
>"When I came across this idea, and did some of my own research, I really 
>felt that Canada should have a national monument, a memorial to those who 
>were victims of the Holocaust," Uppal said from Ottawa on Friday. "It was 
>important for me to bring something forward that had some substance and was 
>important for all of Canada."
>
>Uppal said the memorial is needed so people remember the role Canada played 
>in the Second World War.
>
>"It's an event that changed the history of the world and Canada was member 
>of the Allied Forces that went in there. We stood up against atrocities like 
>the Holocaust and we have to remember that we always will," he said. "This 
>monument will serve as a symbol of Canadian values and diversity as much as 
>it will be a memorial for the millions of victims and families destroyed."
>
>If passed, the act will establish a committee to come up with a design and a 
>location for the monument, according to Uppal. The monument is to be funded 
>by donations, so there will be no government funding for the project. The 
>only thing the federal government is expected to provide is a small piece of 
>land for the monument.

That means that the Federal Government would be funding this
"memorial". There are better ways to spend scarce tax money.

>
>"It's important we aren't throwing millions of dollars at something during 
>this economic recession," Uppal said.
>
>The rookie MP said he is confident the bill is high enough on the list that 
>it will make it to the floor and he expects the opposition will support it.
>
>"If parliament continues, even for a little while, it will be debated and 
>voted on so this is for real," he said.
>
>The idea behind this initiative came from student and Thornhill, Ont. 
>resident Laura Grosman.
>
>"I wanted a place to reflect on those whose lives were cut short by the 
>brutality of the Nazis as well as to honour the Canadians who fought against 
>state-sanctioned hatred and anti-Semitism. This monument will be a beacon to 
>remind Canadians of the need to remain ever vigilant to protect the world 
>from tyrannical oppression and atrocities against mankind. I am honoured 
>that Mr. Uppal has taken an interest in this initiative and I look forward 
>to working with him and Members of Parliament from all parties to advance it 
>through the parliamentary process," said Grosman, founder of the Canadian 
>Memorial Holocaust Project.
>
>Her MP, Peter Kent, Minister of State of Foreign Affairs supports the 
>project.
>
>"Although, as a minister I'm unable to sponsor a private member's bill, I 
>was honoured to help connect the driving force behind the project, Laura 
>Grosman, with Tim Uppal. I commend Tim for carrying the Holocaust memorial 
>bill forward. And I applaud (other MPs) for their support for this worthy 
>non-partisan cause. I will do everything I can to assist in moving this bill 
>through the House of Commons and the Senate," he said in a press release.


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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:29:08 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>Israel's propagandists shoot themselves in the foot as they shoot off their 
>mouths
>WRITTEN BY GREG FELTON
>Canadian Arab News
>
>
>If you have ever visited a blog or on-line discussion group on the Middle 
>East you have doubtless had the misfortune to run into them.

Thanks, Heinrich, that was an interesting article. The hasbarats sound
very much like mcvay and consorts.

>
>They are known by the language they use: depraved sexual insults, bile, 
>bigotry, threats, disinformation and character assassination. That's right: 
>I'm talking about "hasbarats," Zionist trolls who infect the Internet with 
>hasbara, pro-Israel propaganda. Of course, mainstream media hasbarats have 
>been around for decades, as have "hasbaratchiks," fifth-columns in foreign 
>governments who subvert national policies to serve Israel. The Internet, 
>though, is the latest, some might say the greatest, propaganda playground, 
>and Israel cannot cope with factual, passionate, well-documented stories 
>that expose its war crimes and unrepentant criminality.
>
>If you've come across a hasbarat, on-line or otherwise, you have learned 
>that no amount of reasoned argument or intellectual maturity has any effect. 
>That's because hasbarats don't care if they come across as ignorant, 
>obnoxious, nasty or inane. All that matters for them is sabotaging criticism 
>of Israel and support for Muslims. They're like anti-intellectual stink 
>bombs: designed to cause maximum discomfort but have little if any real 
>power.
>
>This deliberate proliferation of on-line hasbarats raises two points. The 
>first concerns why anyone would spend hours a day to prostitute themselves 
>for Israel. Money, of course. Ilan Shturman, deputy director of the Israeli 
>foreign ministry's hasbara department (!), told an Israeli business 
>newspaper in July that US$150,000 had been allocated for the first stage of 
>a campaign to seed the Internet with hasbarats:
>
>"Our people will not say: 'Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the 
>Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.' Nor will 
>they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as 
>net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look 
>personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign 
>ministry developed."
>
>The second point is why Israel felt it had to resort to intellectual fraud 
>on an international scale. The Internet has shown that Israel is a failed 
>oppressor state that commits crimes against humanity as a matter of policy. 
>The last straw for many was "Operation Cast Lead," an act of such 
>unspeakable unapologetic sadism that allusions to Nazi Germany are entirely 
>appropriate.
>
>Every day, it seems, the mythic foundations of Israel's legitimacy-the 
>holocaust, Jewish victimhood, Jewish "people," Israeli "democracy," "evil" 
>Muslims-are exposed for all to see.
>
>In January, Amir Gissin, Israel's consul-general in Toronto, sent out a 
>hasbara recruitment letter, which read in part: "If you are frustrated or 
>concerned with the portrayal of Israel in Canadian News and with biased 
>[sic] depictions, your voice can be heard. Now, think that you're not alone 
>10,000 voices like yours can respond every day: praise, protest, inform, 
>correct on leading Canadian news websites, in real time, effectively."
>
>The weakness with this tactic, as you probably figured out, is that 
>hasbarats will inevitably shout and whine themselves into irrelevance. 
>Eventually, intelligent people will tune out the Zionist boilerplate, the 
>anti-Muslim smears, and the interminable drone about the holocaust. Already, 
>the once-dreaded epithet "anti-Semite" has lost all significance, as if it 
>ever had any, and the person who hurled it is more likely to be mocked than 
>feared.
>
>Two recent events demonstrate the growing desperation and ineptitude of 
>Israel's propaganda industry. Today, we look at an example of "positive 
>hasbara."
>
>Toronto International Film Festival
>
>A major tactic of hasbarats is to project the illusion that Israel is a 
>normal Western democracy, thereby taking focus away from Israel's 
>mistreatment of Palestinians. Also, countries that buy into the deceit will 
>be unwilling to criticize Israel for fear of calling into question their 
>role in covering up Zionist war crimes.
>
>This tactic was tried at the recent Toronto International Film Festival 
>(TIFF) as Tel Aviv was spotlighted in a City-to-City program with Toronto. 
>The ostensible purpose was to use an apolitical, cultural event to obscure 
>the tyranny that Tel Aviv represents, but more than 1,000 filmmakers and 
>performers, weren't fooled. They put their names to The Toronto Declaration: 
>No Celebration of Occupation, an open letter to the TIFF that protested the 
>co-optation of the festival by the Israeli propaganda machine.
>
>The protest accomplished precisely what the hasbarats tried to prevent. 
>"Rather than talking about Israel's rich cinematic culture, the buzz this 
>week in Toronto has centered on the one thing Israeli officials had sought 
>to avoid: the conflict with the Palestinians," reported the Jewish Telegraph 
>Agency.
>
>
>The hasbara campaign to 're-brand' Israel during the Toronto International 
>Film Festival failed miserably. So much attention was paid to the protest 
>that it overshadowed the political objectives of Israel's propaganda 
>machine.
>
>Another major defeat for Israel came courtesy of Chicago Sun-Times movie 
>critic Roger Ebert. After offering a knee-jerk condemnation of the 
>City-to-City protests, he reversed himself the next day:
>
>"I wasn't prepared with enough facts about the events leading up to the 
>Festival's decision to showcase Tel Aviv in the City-to-City section. I 
>[initially] thought of it as an innocent goodwill gesture, but now realize 
>it was part of a deliberate plan to 're-brand' Israel in Toronto, as a pilot 
>for a larger such program. The Festival should never have agreed to be used 
>like this. It was naïve for the plan's supporters to believe it would have 
>the effect they hoped for."
>
>Speaking of naïve, how about Ron Huldai, mayor of Tel Aviv! Whether out of 
>overconfidence or stupidity, he publicly admitted the underlying hasbara in 
>an interview with the JTA: "While the City to City program was initiated by 
>the festival, the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs was involved as part 
>of its Brand Israel media and advertising campaign, which was launched last 
>year."
>
>Quite obviously, Israel would have been better off if the hasbarats had not 
>tried to manipulate the festival. Even the predictable pro-Israel 
>counterprotest merely added to the protest's notoriety and detracted from 
>the cultural propaganda. Moreover the standard claim that the protest was an 
>attack on Israel and artistic freedom was demonstrably false. If anything, 
>the protest highlighted Israel's active suppression of Palestinian culture.
>
>According to the authors of the Toronto Declaration:
>
>"Many Palestinian artists and filmmakers, denied freedom of movement by 
>Israel's Occupation and pass system, are de facto boycotted, unable to 
>communicate with their communities or travel freely. The double standard is 
>mind-boggling and, slowly, these are the issues we are helping to put under 
>a spotlight."
>
>Finally, it is important to note that the Declaration's authors succeeded 
>without any media help. They had no money to place ads, and no newspaper 
>would publish their open letter. On the other hand, hasbarats had the full 
>support (read: "obedience") of Canada's national media, and lost.
>
>If a modest, unfunded, popular protest can effectively defeat an 
>orchestrated propaganda campaign, what does that say about Israel's ability 
>to pose as a legitimate, democratic state? Even though hasbarats get their 
>disinformation out with relative ease, it is not clear that is generally 
>accepted. 


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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:08:45 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216788/Did-Lancaster-bombers-killed-600-000-German-cities-deliberately-target-civilians-A-new-book-says-YES-.html#ixzz0SYgYusNO 

There is another book, "The Fire", published a few years earlier, that
makes essentially the same point.

I disagree with one point made in the article, namely the claim that
the bombing devastated the German industrial base. This is false. The
industrial base was still there after 08-May-1945 to fall victim to
allied dismantlers. Even the allies were not so stupid as to destroy
what they intended to steal postwar.

The attacks were largely on the residential districts of the working
class and the poor. Wealthy areas such as Wannsee in Berlin were not
attacked because the houses were too far apart to allow a firestorm to
take hold.


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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>http://www.expatica.com/de/leisure/arts_culture/was-hitler-homosexual-1367.html

The scenario is most improbable.


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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:05:07 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>On Oct 4, 12:09 pm, Topaz  wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:44:42 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 9/29/2009 5:58 PM, Topaz wrote:
>>
>> >> "The Katyn Forest is an area in Poland were the Soviets had
>>
>> >[rest deleted]
>>
>> >That wasn't the exchange, Alex.  It went like this:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >On Sep 28, 6:45 pm, Topaz  wrote:
>>
>> >> >  German leaders believed in death before dishonor.
>>
>> >[Joe Bruno]
>>
>> >Really? Then why did 23 of them surrender to the Allies to be tried at
>> >Nuremberg?
>>
>> >13 were hung for war crimes.
>>
>> Senator McCarthy, American Press, May 20th, 1949 (on Nuremberg trials)
>>
>>  "I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that
>> the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured
>> by methods which could only be conceived by sick brains. They were
>> subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told that
>> their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these
>> things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor to
>> secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the
>> required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by
>> a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticize
>> us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our
>> moral integrity."
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >And your response?
>>
>>  Germans believed in death before dishonor. But it takes a lot of
>> nerve to really go for it.
>>
>> http://www.ihr.org/   www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/   
>>
>> http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
>>
>> http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>In other words, 23 of them were cowards and hypocrites

No, they were simply victims of an allied kangaroo court. I'm sure
they never expected to be executed, since that was without precedent.
The "laws" under which they were charged were fabricated especially
for the purpose, ex post facto, a violation of every princple of
jurisprudence.




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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:14:08 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 5, 2:57 am, ZuLu  wrote:
>
>> I hope we will be able to finally see the invoices and the Bills of Lading
>> corresponding to the consumption of more than 42,700 tons of coke supposedly used to
>> burn those alleged 1,5 millions of victims at Auschwitz....
>
>And when that documentation is produced watch the neo nazis move the
>goalposts.

LOL

That seems to be more your technique, George.


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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:14:18 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>On Oct 4, 1:19 pm, Topaz  wrote:
>> Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
>
>
>Winston Churchill was Lord of the Admiralty in WWI. He was the
>architect of this disaster for the Allies:

Virtually everything Winston touched turned into shit. Winston's
war-mongering basically turned Britain from a major world power into a
relatively insignificant island off the west coast of France.

>
>http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/evacuation_dec15.htm


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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:10:14 +0100, "Mavisbeacon"
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>
>"Dan Listermann"  wrote in message 
>news:59c3$4aba2b33$4a53bf9f$26311@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> "Mavisbeacon"  wrote in message 
>> news:45ccd$4ab952f5$596480f8$15552@news.upc.ie...
>>>
>>> "Dan Listermann"  wrote in message 
>>> news:783f0$4ab8e433$4a53bf9f$23389@FUSE.NET...
>>>>
>>>> "Mavisbeacon"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:515a$4ab8dded$596480f8$1259@news.upc.ie...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dan Listermann"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:51d44$4aaea8f5$4a53bf9f$27539@FUSE.NET...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Carl Sagan's billions"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:1b32463c-5323-43f8-a886-89bfc6897894@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10. The core issue is really a direct conflict between:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o   the religious/emotional/non-scientific approach or persona and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o   the scientific/rational approach or persona
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Religion is the opposite of science.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your evidence is?
>>>>
>>>> Religious data is handed down from "somewhere" and cannot be questioned. 
>>>> Scientific data is carefully and methodically derived and always open to 
>>>> questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mathematical or logical derivations being "derived" are based on what 
>>> came before. Therefore there has to be some point at which ther are first 
>>> principles axioms or tautologies. set theory for example. so if something 
>>> is derived it has to be derived from the basic principles such as those 
>>> of union of sets or intersection of sets or the idea of logical 
>>> processess like AND .OR and NOT. These CANNOT be questioned! The opposite 
>>> of logacally false is ALWAYS logically true.
>>>
>>> Religious thinking is constantly being questioned right throughout 
>>> history. Heresy results only after long debate has been entered into and 
>>> a decision taken. and that decision can change. for example Galileo's 
>>> position on the System of Worlds was regarded as heretical and that 
>>> position changed.
>>>
>>
>> More verbose nonsense.
>
>Where is the absence of reason in anything I stated?
>How does it not make sense?
>
>
>>You seem educated enough to be able to distill your thoughts into a few 
>>succinct sentences, but you are also educated enough to fling the bullshit 
>>too.  Here,try again.
>>
>> Religious data is handed down from "somewhere" and cannot be questioned.
>
>Prove it!
>I just showed you Galileo questioned religious teachings and the Church 
>CHANGED their position.

Yes, but only centuries later and after murdering huge numbers of
people to try to maintain its absurd superstitions.

>Very little Church teaching is Dogma! For example that God exists would be 
>dogma but very little else. ALL the rest can be and IS questioned right 
>throughout history.
>
>
>> Scientific data is carefully and methodically derived and always open to
>> questions.
>
>AS is religous data. But some scientific data is not open to question e.g. 
>"the universe exists that is the case"
>You are trying to define science as just logic which in fact is a definition 
>of mathematics which is NOT science.
>
>If "data" is just what one can objectively measure then you are into 
>problems regarding the locical positivist or empiricist view of science 
>which has been challenged in the "Science Wars". I would tnd to side with 
>the empiricists and Greek Philosophy basis of science but this has more in 
>common with the church position than it has with atheistic post modern 
>sociologists.
>
>so you reductionist thesis skewers itself like the logical positivist 
>principle or it has to borrow from other philosophies of science which water 
>down the positivist underpinnings and tend to relate to religion as closer 
>to science and opposing post-modern atheistic views. 
>


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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:12:26 +0100, "Mavisbeacon"
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>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> The intent of this post is not to judge, preach or convert but to let
>>>>>> other searchers know how I struggled, overcame, outgrew and
>>>>>> finally had to reject Christianity.
>>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> Rationality does not ENSURE more humanity, but in my
>>>>>> opinion it is a more promising path than non-rationality.
>>>>>
>>>>> How have you shown Christianity is irrational?

All religions, including Christianity, are based on arbitrary BELIEFS,
and as such, are irrational. 

>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Internally, the religious strive mightily to be rational, but 
>>>> ultimately, they have to resort to accepting their foundation 
>>>> irrationally.  The like to call it "faith."  I see it as gullibility.
>>>
>>> I didn't ask what you believe or how you see things I asked :
>>>
>>> How have you shown Christianity is irrational?
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting because they believe in things they can not measure 
>>> then they are therefore irrational?
>>
>> All religion, ultimately is irrational, do you see yours as an exception?
>
>I never claimed it was MINE please don't get personal and deal with the 
>issue and not the person making the argument.
>Can you please answer and not rely on tautologies?
>How is Christianity irrational?
>What universal does it have which makes it irrational?
>
>
>


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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYohai
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>There is a Christian religion where all a man has to do to have sexual
>intercourse with a single woman is tap her on the shoulder and whisper
>in her ear that he'd like to have sexual intercourse with her and the
>woman and the man quickly seclude themselves and cumulate the act.
>
Can you name this sect, or are you just babbling your usual nonsense?


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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:06:59 -0700 (PDT), Jedi
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>The present Democratic majority on capitol hill is being misled into
>forcing a federal government dictatorship of the poor working class
>over all Americans under the guise of health care reform.

This is absolute crap, since most of the developed countries have
publicly-funded health care and they are much more democratic places
than the USA.

As a resident of Canada, it is mind-boggling to see the mountains of
misinformation and outright lies being fed to the U.S. public about
the Canadian system. Canada has better health results than the USA in
every measurable category. The current health system, or lack of it,
in the USA is a disaster, except for a small clique of profiteers.

> They favor a
>so-called "public option" which is a defacto one political party
>totalitarian government system in improving the health care sector
>which is now about 1/6 of the entire American economy. Thus the real
>danger here is that this will create a permanent electorate voting
>block based on false Marxist class struggle rhetoric and thus plunge
>American social economic and political values into absolute hypocrisy
>and corruption, which will be difficult to undo once legalized due to
>its self serving nature.
>
>Marxism by its very ideal of a totalitarian state only seeks to
>monopolize government power as its main goal. The Marxist rhetoric of
>rich and poor class struggle, equality and serving poor people is
>simply the means for them to acheive their ultimate deception of
>establishing a permanent welfare state dictatorship and a permanent
>"poor" underclass.
>
>The Marxist Democratic leadership now in power ignores improving
>America's free enterprise health care system in solving America's
>health care problems for the poor working class and instead favors a
>federal government dictatorship as the "public option" to force change
>in health care and thus the rest of the social economic system.
>However, the natural law of supply and demand which affects all
>economics is not being addressed.
>
>Unaffordable prices are always caused by demand exceeding supply. The
>supply of private and co-operative health care must simply be
>increased and waste, inefficiency, and corruption throughout the
>industry minimized. Thus the present supply of doctors and their
>supporting infrustructure must simply be increased not the increase of
>government dictatorship and taxes which is more political than
>economic.
>
>Free enterprise health care serves the underclass through private,
>cooperative enterprise and nonprofit charitable institutions, thus
>eliminating the need for arbitrary government dictatorship to provide
>what the people can provide for themselves. The health care
>shortcomings of the 10% or so of the entire American population should
>not be used to force the other 90% with satisfactory health care into
>becoming permanent slaves of the state, high taxes, penalties, fees,
>and high personal and public debt.
>
>Furthermore, everyone should realize that no amount of government and
>money can stop old age, disease, and death in the material world. To
>try to manufacture a political and economic system aimed at achieving
>eternal life in the material world is sheer ignorance like the
>mythical stairway to heaven. That is the Marxist hypocrisy which is
>defacto atheism.


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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT), Jedi
 wrote:

>On Sep 26, 6:50 pm, "The Rock"  wrote:
>> Jedi threw-up the following:
>>
>> "Jedi"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:6829bf1d-c84d-4074-8398-d0f38f4013ae@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The present Democratic majority on capitol hill is being misled into
>> > forcing a federal government dictatorship of the poor working class
>> > over all Americans under the guise of health care reform. They favor a
>> > so-called "public option" which is a defacto one political party
>> > totalitarian government system in improving the health care sector
>> > which is now about 1/6 of the entire American economy.
>>
>> The only person I would think will believe this is Joe the plumber and
>> maybe that old lady that was in the McCain's town hall meeting, everybody
>> else will see this for the crap that it is.
>>
>> This is the ONLY industrialized country that doesn't have healthcare for ALL
>> its people.
>
>
>That is a moot point. Many people from industrialized countries come
>to the U.S. for health care they cannot get at home despite their
>government run socialized system.

The number of people visiting the USA for treatment from Canada is
minuscule, despite all the loud American propaganda. In some cases, it
is a simple case that in some border areas out west, American
facilities are closer than the next larger Canadian city with those
facilities.

In Canada, your access is managed by medical need, whereas in the USA
it is managed by money, so more than fifty million Americans have no
health care. Any time my friends or relatives have needed health care
here in the Toronto area, they have received it promptly, especially
if the illnesses were potentially serious.

>
>
>The insurance companies got too rich that now they're showing
>> their
>> power to control the government. $1.5 million per day plus what was
>> contributed
>> for campaign of some lawmakers. What kind of government do they call it?
>> There
>> is a name for it. But I still have faith that reason and honest lawmakers
>> will prevail.
>> A big majority of American people want a public option.
>> Here is what Jefferson had to say about too powerful corporation.
>
>
>Government should not mix itself with private enterprise and the free
>market place. Look what happened to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who
>ended up giving away free government secured loans to anyone, another
>Democratic party ideal.
>
>
>> --
>> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporation
>> which dare already
>> to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the
>> laws of our country.
>> Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>Taken out of context. Here is the other half of the story.
>
>The evils of hoarding wealth is well known throughout history
>everywhere. However, that is best counteracted by proportionate
>charity on the part of the wealthy to the unfortunate, the
>handicapped, the uneducated, and lazy among us, through private
>donations and non-government institutions, not more government
>dictatorship, taxes, fees, and penalties on the private sector of the
>economy. History has proven that the private sector creates more
>wealth, human rights and freedom for the people. President Jefferson
>was a venture capitalist and deeply religious and philanthropic in his
>own way, so are most Americans. Let's keep it that way.


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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:17:41 -0700 (PDT), Jedi
 wrote:

>On Sep 27, 11:36 am, "The Rock"  wrote:
>> "Jedi"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:84c23726-8b9f-4018-8213-8ffa19a8855f@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 26, 6:50 pm, "The Rock"  wrote:
>> >> Jedi threw-up the following:
>>
>> >> "Jedi"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:6829bf1d-c84d-4074-8398-d0f38f4013ae@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > The present Democratic majority on capitol hill is being misled into
>> >> > forcing a federal government dictatorship of the poor working class
>> >> > over all Americans under the guise of health care reform. They favor a
>> >> > so-called "public option" which is a defacto one political party
>> >> > totalitarian government system in improving the health care sector
>> >> > which is now about 1/6 of the entire American economy.
>>
>> >> The only person I would think will believe this is Joe the plumber and
>> >> maybe that old lady that was in the McCain's town hall meeting, everybody
>> >> else will see this for the crap that it is.
>>
>> >> This is the ONLY industrialized country that doesn't have healthcare for
>> >> ALL
>> >> its people.
>>
>> > That is a moot point. Many people from industrialized countries come
>> > to the U.S. for health care they cannot get at home despite their
>> > government run socialized system.
>>
>> And many people from US go to Europe and other places for treatment, they
>> are
>> people with money, it happens all the time. Our health system is corrupt.
>> You're
>> brain-washed with corporations are the only savior in our system when
>> they're
>> the ones that got us in All the MESS that we're in.  Can you tell me
>> something, why
>> do Repugs run for office in government?
>
>
>You are mistaking the part for the whole. Individual and collective
>private enterprise made America into a superpower.

LOL

America is hardly a "super-power" anymore. Financially, morally, and
almost any other way, it is on its way down, just like all the
oppressive empires before it.

> You like Marxist
>socialism and communism? Go and live there but leave America to those
>who cherish their freedom.

Americans have NEVER had any freedom, except the freedom to die young
or to live in a trailer park. America is a great place if you are
healthy and rich and it is hell for almost everybody else.

>
>
>> > The insurance companies got too rich that now they're showing
>> >> their
>> >> power to control the government. $1.5 million per day plus what was
>> >> contributed
>> >> for campaign of some lawmakers. What kind of government do they call it?
>> >> There
>> >> is a name for it. But I still have faith that reason and honest lawmakers
>> >> will prevail.
>> >> A big majority of American people want a public option.
>> >> Here is what Jefferson had to say about too powerful corporation.
>>
>> > Government should not mix itself with private enterprise and the free
>> > market place. Look what happened to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who
>> > ended up giving away free government secured loans to anyone, another
>> > Democratic party ideal.
>>
>> Look what happen to Wall Street!!! Look what happened to Madof !!! Anytime
>> the government let corporations police themselves the country got in deep
>> trouble. You rightard's idea of getting government out of everything is
>> lunatic.
>>  I hope that the majority of American people have seen the light and forget
>> what
>> conservatives play for their base, they are beyond repair. It has been
>> proven time
>> and time again that their philosophy never worked and will never work. The
>> only
>> way Capitalism works is with government regulations. Period. The greed,
>> money
>> and no matter how much profit is made is never enough, doesn't let it
>> survive without
>> government intervention. The last eight years serve as a good example, since
>> we
>> forgot the 30's.
>>
>> --
>> Nixon's tapes are an example of the mind set of conservatives.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> --
>> >> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
>> >> corporation
>> >> which dare already
>> >> to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to
>> >> the
>> >> laws of our country.
>> >> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> > Taken out of context. Here is the other half of the story.
>>
>> > The evils of hoarding wealth is well known throughout history
>> > everywhere. However, that is best counteracted by proportionate
>> > charity on the part of the wealthy to the unfortunate, the
>> > handicapped, the uneducated, and lazy among us, through private
>> > donations and non-government institutions, not more government
>> > dictatorship, taxes, fees, and penalties on the private sector of the
>> > economy. History has proven that the private sector creates more
>> > wealth, human rights and freedom for the people. President Jefferson
>> > was a venture capitalist and deeply religious and philanthropic in his
>> > own way, so are most Americans. Let's keep it that way.
>>
>> --www.lightningnews.comLightning fast anonymous usenet downloads for 5$ only !
>


From ebersdorf@gmail.com Tue Oct  6 01:11:34 EDT 2009
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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:47:57 -0700 (PDT), ReporterAtTheScene
 wrote:

>September 25, 2009
>
>Terrorist act: Another war crime was committed by the state sponsored
>terrorism emanating out of the Gaza strip, on September 25th, 2009. A
>missile sent at night, exploded not far from a populated town close to
>the Gaza/Israeli border. There was no military presence in or near the
>town. The Gaza War criminals were attempting to slaughter sleeping
>babies, toddlers, the elderly, and the handicapped.
>
>Yours truly,
>
>ReporterAtTheScene
>reporteratthescene@unlimitedmail.org
>http://www.reportersonlocation.co.nr
>
The Israelis do that all the time, so why focus on small-scale
Palestinian attempts at reprisal?


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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:06:01 -0400, Gary Renzetti
 wrote:

>staten wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 10:14 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>> staten wrote:
>>>> On Sep 28, 9:58 pm, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>>>> staten wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 9:38 am, reneg...@whoknowswhere.com (Yitzhak McSchwartz)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT), staten 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Famous Scientists Who Believed in God
>>>>>>>> Belief in God
>>>>>>>>  Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
>>>>>>>>  Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
>>>>>>>>  Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
>>>>>>>>  Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
>>>>>>>>  .
>>>>>>>>  Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
>>>>>>>>    Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
>>>>>>>>  Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
>>>>>>>>  Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
>>>>>>>>  Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
>>>>>>>>  William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
>>>>>>>>  James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)
>>>>>>>>  Max Planck (1858-1947)
>>>>>>>>  Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Austin Cline. Who is Austin Cline? Who the fuck cares.
>>>>>>> Ah, yes...but they didn't all believe in the same >God.
>>>>>> The assumption that there could be two or more  gods or two or more
>>>>>> infinitely supreme beings   is an absurdity. There is only one God.
>>>>> Sez who? And why is there a commandment which says "You can't have any
>>>>> other gods"? If there aren't any others, why would he give a shit?
>>>> Because people before and after still keep worshiping rocks, dogs,
>>>> sticks , water , ice and all other imaginable creatures and things.
>>>> That's why.
>>>> As to you, you as an atheist , you also keep your faith –  denying
>>>> God. And so far, you God haters , still stand at the same point  where
>>>> you have begun without being able to prove anything but just
>>>> stubbornly denying for the sake of denying. Not smart. But after all
>>>> it is your faith.
>>> You are mistaken in this. I don't "deny god"; I deny Yahweh. I believe
>>> this particular alleged deity to be a fraud, especially when he claims
>>> to reign supreme.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> And, more importantly, did God believe in them?
>>>>>>  Question without answer. We cannot control God's thoughts or
>>>>>> actions.- Hide quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>> Perhaps you feel more love and tolerance to  this god and this motto:
>> "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"
>> 
>> 
>Now you're being ridiculous!
>All three of these "desert religions" are the unfortunate effect of 
>prolonged exposure to strong sunlight. They all claim to worship the 
>same "god" regardless of the label they put on the can, and this 
>supposed "god" is undeserving of respect, never mind worship.

Ultimately, all human religions are based on myths and legends. There
is no objective evidence or proof for any of them.


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On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:09:32 -0700 (PDT), charles q
 wrote:

>On Oct 2, 5:38 pm, "Malakh"  wrote:
>> SWASTIKAS ON SEATTLE SYNAGOGUES - NOT WHAT IT MAY SEEM?
>>
>> by David Klinghoffer | September 15, 2009http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/09/swastikas-on-seattle-sy...
>>
>> On Saturday night as Jews initiated the penitential Selichot cycle of
>> prayers leading up to Rosh Hashanah, someone was outside two of the Orthodox
>> synagogues in Seattle's Seward Park neighborhood, spray-painting swastikas,
>> the word "Nazi," and "Fourth Riech"
>>
>> (misspelled) on the doors and sidewalks outside.
>>
>> Of course everyone's very upset here, understandably so, but my wife's
>> initial reaction on hearing the news may be right: That it was a disgruntled
>> Jewish teenager or some disturbed person from the community itself who did
>> it
>>
>> The choice of Selichot night, a solemn occasion, struck me as significant.
>> No one outside the community would know it was anything special. So did the
>> misspelling of Reich. Would a real neo-Nazi get that wrong? And painting
>> simply the word "Nazi"? This doesn't quite add up.
>>
>> The neighborhood around the two shuls is predominantly Jewish and
>> African-American. Somehow I don't see black youths painting Nazi
>> iconography. In turn, the synagogues are out of the way, not well known in
>> Seattle, geographically isolated, and quite hard to find. An odd choice, all
>> around, for a genuine anti-Semite.
>>
>> For what it's worth, my prediction is that if the culprit is found, he will
>> turn out to be Jewish. It reminds me of my own experience growing up. In our
>> Reform Hebrew school class, the boys routinely doodled swastikas and SS
>> insignia on their notebooks. When the befuddled, ineffectual teacher turned
>> his back on us, boys would be jumping up and giving him Nazi salutes. Let's
>> see if my guess turns out to be right.
>
>I have no problem with militant groups so long as they stay out of the
>race and religion game and stick to the political and government
>scene. As far as swastikas go they should be banned from being used in
>this country completely and by force if needed

Sorry Charles, but the swastika is a Sanskrit sun-symbol and it has
religious significance for Sikhs. The National Socialists of decades
past do not have a copyright on it, so banning it as an NS symbol is
pretty much senseless.



From "Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ., Korea., Germany., RSA., USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF  Tue Oct  6 01:11:35 EDT 2009
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Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ., Korea., Germany., RSA., USA., Sweden, Hong 
Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of 
fecal stained moslems Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF > wrote:
> Persian Gulf wrote:
>> After nikah only, can we touch each other?
>>
>> My nikah is done but I am still living with my parents. The Rukhsati
>> (leaving) is not done yet. Can my husband talk to me, touch me now 
>> etc. I dont feel comfortable with the touching now. Mahr not paid yet. 
>> Can we discuss sexual talk? Jazakallah
>>
>>
>> The concept of Nikah now and rukhsati (wife going to live with 
>> husband) later falls in the category of a promise. The boy essentially 
>> agrees to exercise restraint in his marital rights until rukhsati.
>> If the boy did not agree to this, then the Nikah would not be 
>> performed. In essence, rukhsati is to defer intimacy until the 
>> rukhsati. The husband should keep up to his promise and not be 
>> intimate with his wife before the rukhsati. Allah states, ?O you who 
>> believe, fulfil your promises.? However, if the wife forfeits her 
>> right of deferring intimacy until rukhsati, then it is permissible for 
>> the husband to be intimate with his wife. The same ruling applies to 
>> intimate discussions. The wife has a right to claim her Mahr before 
>> submitting herself to her husband.
>> and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
>>
>> SHIT. NIKAH IN ISLAMIC ARABIC MEANS TO FUCK.
>>
>> YOU FIGURE THAT ONE OUT YOU IDIOT!
>>
>> AND RBRK TA'ALA KNOWS BETTER THAN THE BEST
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> â€ı(•¿•)› â€ı(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah 
> were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
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> 
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddzpvj98_0xpck3bg4&pageview=1&hgd=1&hl=en
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> kaled14232@gmail.com
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> mehyaawaaa@hotmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> Thomas Santa -  tsanta@med.usyd.edu.au
> 
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
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> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
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> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
>                                _
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>                     /'_'/'   '/'__'7,
>                  /'/    /    /    /" /_\
>                 ('(    ' /'   ')
>                  \      /
>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
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> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
> molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
> 
> 
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>                   '\'              _.7'
>                     \             (
>                       \            \
> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
> 
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> 
> Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!
> 
> 
> helpinggaza@gmail.com
> fesack@wn.apc.org
> nextsapresidents@gmail.com
> info@muslimmatch.com  or apache@muslimmatch.com or 
> politicsIranian@googlegroups.com
> arah1958@gmail.com
> islamwayoflife@googlegroups.com
> furtivo4000@gmail.com
> 
> 
> Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
> 
> ** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan  **
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> 
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> 
> 
> Wassim Noujeim (shitskin moslem Faris Jawad) left Canada to attend a 
> terrorist training camp in Jordan, and he spent his last nigh in Canda 
> at this hotel : MONTREAL-AIRPORT,,6500 COTE DE LIESSE,MONTREAL, QC 
> H4T1E3 CANADA,Hotel Front Desk: 1-514-7393391    ::::  Shitskin moslem, 
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:20:50 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Sep 26, 12:48 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/74776.php
>>
>> There is lots of evidence that he did.
>
>Here are more people who say that Hitler had a brain infection caused
>by sdvanced Syphillis.

His physicians do not appear to have noticed this effect, so it has to
be catalogued as "doubtful".

>
>http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=772579


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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:04:06 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 6, 1:44 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:14:08 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Oct 5, 2:57 am, ZuLu  wrote:
>>
>> >> I hope we will be able to finally see the invoices and the Bills of Lading
>> >> corresponding to the consumption of more than 42,700 tons of coke supposedly used to
>> >> burn those alleged 1,5 millions of victims at Auschwitz....
>>
>> >And when that documentation is produced watch the neo nazis move the
>> >goalposts.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> That seems to be more your technique, George.
>
>Riiight. So demonstrate when I did so.
>The documents exist.
>They are in archives and available to those who want to use them..
>The German newspapers from the 1930-1945 era are available.
>Why do the nazis deny these facts?

Non-existent people are not capable of denying any "facts", real or
imagined. Do join us in the real world, George. There are no Nazis and
there haven't been any for more than half a century except perhaps in
your tortured imagination.



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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:41:51 +0100, Fabrizio Rovedi Own Villa 1577 and
TortonaVoghera 10° secolo  wrote:

>...the rabbi is a criminal and liar the holocaust is not existed
>because anyone said that was organized by a certain kind of
>masonry well known by Arthur Schneier and Jean-Paul Elkann
>synarchist.
>
>The rabbi is the most evil and satanic organization ever
>appeared in the planet since the times of times for the authorization
>to their masons to human experiment.
>
>I ask the purification of the rabbis that are criminals and
>liars.
>
You really ought to see about renewing your psychiatric medication.


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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:04:45 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:QrydnTxAKb2ExlfXnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article 
>> <3f668052-aa4c-41ea-83e5-a51330cad8bd@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>> George   wrote:
>>>On Oct 6, 1:44 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:14:08 -0700 (PDT), George 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Oct 5, 2:57 am, ZuLu  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> I hope we will be able to finally see the invoices and the Bills of 
>>>> >> Lading
>>>> >> corresponding to the consumption of more than 42,700 tons of coke 
>>>> >> supposedly used to
>>>> >> burn those alleged 1,5 millions of victims at Auschwitz....
>>>>
>>>> >And when that documentation is produced watch the neo nazis move the
>>>> >goalposts.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> That seems to be more your technique, George.
>>>
>>>Riiight. So demonstrate when I did so.
>>>The documents exist.
>>>They are in archives and available to those who want to use them..
>>>The German newspapers from the 1930-1945 era are available.
>>>Why do the nazis deny these facts?
>>
>> Mr. Skaliks denies facts which put the Nazis in a bad light, and
>> creates unsupported allegations which put the United States in a
>> bad light.
>>
>> Mr. Skaliks, like Mr. Knoll, is a documented liar. It is a common
>> trait among Holocaust deniers, which isn't at all surprising,
>> given the whopper they're trying to promulate.
>>
>Please do not knock it Kenney you are the number one master and nobody can 
>compete with you.

Kenny is having a bout of the runs again, spewing his bankrupt "Mr.
Skaliks" line. When he gets that desperate, it means that you're doing
something right, Kurt.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>> -- 
>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>> people did hang him after that"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:04:31 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>On Oct 5, 5:44 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:14:18 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 4, 1:19 pm, Topaz  wrote:
>> >> Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
>>
>> >Winston Churchill was Lord of the Admiralty in WWI. He was the
>> >architect of this disaster for the Allies:
>>
>> Virtually everything Winston touched turned into shit. Winston's
>> war-mongering basically turned Britain from a major world power into a
>> relatively insignificant island off the west coast of France.
>>
>>
>He made good speeches during WWII.

Hot air was his only talent.

>I guess he provided some inspiration
>to the Brits during the Battle of Britain.

He did make bombastic speeches, but they would not have been required
had his policies not launched WW2.

> Note that they removed him
>from office as soon as the war was over.

By then, the horse had bolted from the barn, and Britain was a
has-been.

>
>The guy had weird ideas.He made a speech after the Battle of Midway in
>which he referred to "The American Race".LOL! I don't take anything he
>says seriously.


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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:39:48 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 7, 2:37 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:04:06 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Oct 6, 1:44 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:14:08 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Oct 5, 2:57 am, ZuLu  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I hope we will be able to finally see the invoices and the Bills of Lading
>> >> >> corresponding to the consumption of more than 42,700 tons of coke supposedly used to
>> >> >> burn those alleged 1,5 millions of victims at Auschwitz....
>>
>> >> >And when that documentation is produced watch the neo nazis move the
>> >> >goalposts.
>>
>> >> LOL
>>
>> >> That seems to be more your technique, George.
>>
>> >Riiight. So demonstrate when I did so.
>> >The documents exist.
>> >They are in archives and available to those who want to use them..
>> >The German newspapers from the 1930-1945 era are available.
>> >Why do the nazis deny these facts?
>>
>> Non-existent people are not capable of denying any "facts", real or
>> imagined. Do join us in the real world, George. There are no Nazis and
>> there haven't been any for more than half a century except perhaps in
>> your tortured imagination
>
>Oh?
>Then the Russian nazis who regularly feature in the news don't exist ?
>Or the German and American nazi parties?

There has not been a Nazi party in Germany for over half a century,
and so-called American "Nazis" are simple-minded caricatures of the
originals. Anybody as clearly extreme and nuts as an American neo-Nazi
wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected in Germany,
even during the thirties. The original Nazis obviously projected a far
more reasonable face or they wouldn't have been elected. I know this
goes against your self-serving models, but then your models make no
sense and present a severely distorted nonsense view of history.

There are indeed post-USSR fascists in Russia, but they cannot
reasonably be equated with Nazis since the NSDAP was a specific
political party of a specific time and place, and to use the term in
other contexts is an anachronism and is intended to deceive. I'm just
taking exception to the deception of the mcvay party on this
newsgroup.


>Or don't your abilities include the use of any of the search engines
>available on the Net?


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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:09:08 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>You should have no problems with holocaust survivor testifying who have 
>never been in a concentration camp.

The so-called holocaust survivors are unique in that they can identify
somebody aged 95 as the same person as the guy of 16 they saw for
twenty milliseconds at a range of 1500 metres some 80 years earlier.
It is truly miraculous or it is perjury.

>kk
>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:btadnb4RcJf9BVbXnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>
>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>> news:z1Mym.47871$PH1.2085@edtnps82...
>>> How much control do the jews have over the procedings.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> One might note that "The Jews" acquitted Mr. Demjanjuk  the last time he 
>> was tried.
>>
>> However, Mr. Demjanjuk's sucessful defence - an admission that he'd been a 
>> guard at another camp - isn't really going to be particularly helpful.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:7j1chhF333kdgU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> John Demjanjuk's trial on charges of being an accessory to the murder of 
>>>> thousands at a Nazi death camp will begin Nov. 30, his German lawyer 
>>>> said Tuesday.
>>>> The Munich state court has set aside 35 trial days through to early May 
>>>> 2010 to hear Demjanjuk's case, his lawyer Guenther Maull 
>>>> said..................
>>>> ......... doctors determined that Demjanjuk was fit to stand trial as 
>>>> long as court hearings do not exceed two 90-minute sessions per day. 
>>>> They carry a possible maximum sentence of 15 years in prison
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, Sergei  wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuW_X79gjQc&NR=1
>
>Yesirree! Hitler really stopped Communism, didn't he?ROTFL!

It was the stupid Americans who allowed the Communists to take over
most of eastern Europe, mainly due to the fact that the Roosevelt
government was riddled with Communists and their sympathizers.

It had been Stalin's plan to move in and take over once the idiots in
the west had fought themselves to exhaustion. Stalin simply
miscalculated the level of German exhaustion, so Stalin's advance was
halted part-way through Germany. Stalin would have had virtually none
of Germany had it not been for the moronic Roosevelt.


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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:15:19 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 8, 1:41 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Who invented the word nonazis, basically all of them who do not support your
>> doctrine must be Nazi. Take a good look at yourself in all of histories the
>> Jews have been the master liars.
>
>Try as we might we cannot make you look a bigger fool than your posts
>make you..

No, George, it is people such as yourself that loosely throw around
anachronisms such as "Nazi" that are the idiots. At least 99.9% of
your stupid accusations are just that, stupid.

>
>
> Look up http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6024672.ece#
>


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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:44:17 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 8, 12:32 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> There has not been a Nazi party in Germany for over half a century,
>> and so-called American "Nazis" are simple-minded caricatures of the
>> originals. Anybody as clearly extreme and nuts as an American neo-Nazi
>> wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected in Germany,
>> even during the thirties.
>
>Wrong.
>Look up  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6024672.ece#
>and post your apology

LOL

Whether that NPD is "neo-Nazi" or not is rather subjective and a
matter of opinion. They appear to be a much more moderate group than
American Republicans, but then for the German SPD, who would be
denounced as Communists in the USA, most everybody with a slightly
more conservative bent gets tarred as being neo-Nazi, especially any
party with some nationalist stuff in their platform.

The NPD is apparently paranoid about the 5% of German residents who
are not ethnically German, but that hardly makes them wicked.

In any case, the dim-witted opinions of the Limey press don't prove
much of anything. The UK is stuck in a time warp, much like yourself,
where they keep fighting WW2 over and over and over again like a
faulty recording. Wake up and move on.




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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:28:05 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>You are wrong here and I am sure your first name is not George. in march - 
>april 1945 the Americans who did enter the village I was in. Came to us with 
>their bayonets pointing to us kids and shouted Nazis. How much education did 
>they need to become that way or was it political brain watching. And jet 
>after more than 60 years the political brain washing continues the American 
>way and it shows all around the world.. The Iraq war was based on 
>fabrications and so is the situation about Iran. The hate mongering starts 
>in Israel and the willing executioners are the Americans.

My entire life I have heard nothing but lies coming out of Washington.
It is illogical to believe that, contrary to their nature, they told
the truth before I was born. Everything about the USA is phony and
fraudulent starting July 4, 1776.

>Kurt Knoll
>
>"George"  wrote in message 
>news:434f8044-2a11-4467-8e93-4cd44b3ebb78@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 8, 1:41 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Who invented the word nonazis, basically all of them who do not support 
>> your
>> doctrine must be Nazi. Take a good look at yourself in all of histories 
>> the
>> Jews have been the master liars.
>
>Try as we might we cannot make you look a bigger fool than your posts
>make you..
>
>
> Look up 
>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6024672.ece#
>
>
>
>
>


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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:46:53 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 7, 4:32 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, Sergei  wrote:
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuW_X79gjQc&NR=1
>>
>> >Yesirree! Hitler really stopped Communism, didn't he?ROTFL!
>>
>> It was the stupid Americans who allowed the Communists to take over
>> most of eastern Europe, mainly due to the fact that the Roosevelt
>> government was riddled with Communists and their sympathizers.
>>
>> It had been Stalin's plan to move in and take over once the idiots in
>> the west had fought themselves to exhaustion. Stalin simply
>> miscalculated the level of German exhaustion, so Stalin's advance was
>> halted part-way through Germany. Stalin would have had virtually none
>> of Germany had it not been for the moronic Roosevelt.
>
>Except that Roosevelt died before the war was over and had no part in
>the Red Army's occupation of Eastern Europe.

It was Roosevelt who agreed to both Yalta and Potsdam. When he finally
returned to his master in hell is irrelevant.



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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 7, 5:17 am, Topaz  wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, Sergei  wrote:
>>
>> >Yesirree! Hitler really stopped Communism, didn't he?ROTFL!
>>
>> He did in Germany. Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:
>>
>
>So? The USSR was not a world power before WWII.

It was the USA that essentially set up the USSR as a world power, and
then used the threat it had created to keep its own lackeys in line.

>The USSR military
>buildup was done during the war as a matter of
>self-defense against the German invasion.

Soviet military spending exceeded that of Germany during the period
1930 to 1939. 

> Were it not for that
>invasion, Stalin and the USSR would not have been able to conquer
>Eastern Europe after the war was over.

That is illogical. Stalin was in a position to invade any time he
thought the time was right. He had planned an invasion of Germany for
July of 1941, but was beaten to the punch by the Germans in a
pre-emptive strike in June of that year.

> The Red Army's march toward
>Germany was done to push back the Nazi
>invaders.

No, it was to pocket all of Europe for the Bolsheviks.

>It was easy for them to take over places like Poland and
>Hungary after WWII because they were already there.
>
>What Hitler did made the USSR  a world power and put them in a
>position to take over Eastern Europe.

It was the USA that created the USSR and the USA that destroyed it
when it was no longer convenient. The USA is the world hegemon and is
in a position to do more or less what it pleases.

The USSR was never a world power except in the military sense. It was
a colonial exploiter that drained the economies of the countries it
oppressed.




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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:26:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
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>Lots of evidence is presented in many cases that has no impact on the
>judge or jury's final decision. Nevertheless, it will be included as
>part of the court record.
>This is as true of the Nuremberg Tribunal as anywhere else.

The Nuremberg proceeding was a political show trial in the tradition
of Soviet show trials and evidence was irrelevant. The verdicts had
been agreed upon in advance, at Yalta.


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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:51:26 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The Nuremberg trial was a show trial. I just wonder what the Americans did 
>with the Japanese.

It was much the same story. The Japanese public was awash with
phony-baloney American propaganda.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Sergei"  wrote in message 
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>> Lots of evidence is presented in many cases that has no impact on the
>> judge or jury's final decision. Nevertheless, it will be included as
>> part of the court record.
>> This is as true of the Nuremberg Tribunal as anywhere else. 
>


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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:20:23 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Topaz"  wrote in message 
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>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, Sergei  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Yesirree! Hitler really stopped Communism, didn't he?ROTFL!
>>
>> He did in Germany.
>
>
>Not for long, and then made sure that his armies would fail in their attack 
>on the USSR.    And then he abandoned them.

LOL, Patrick, where do you get this stuff? It makes no sense.

>
>The result was the partition of Germany and the transfer of half its 
>territory and population to Communist control.

Western Germany had more than three times the population of the DDR,
so "half of Germany" was not transferred to Communist control, but
rather 25%. 



>   Yeah, he did a great job.
>
>Hitler betrayed his armies and his adopted nation and people. 

"Adopted Nation" and "adopted people"???  What have you been drinking,
Patrick? Austria and Germany are two political states, but represent
ONE nation and ONE people, the same as the DDR and the BRD. Austria
has been part of Germany since the 9th century and only separated as a
result of the German civil war of 1866.



>   He blamed 
>everyone else for these actions.

It was the stupid Americans whose fault it was that all of eastern
Europe was enslaved post-WW2.

>
>It figures that you'd be enamoured of a spectacular failure who betrayed 
>everyone and never accepted responsibility for his actions.

You must make this stuff up on the fly, Patrick.
>
>-pk 


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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:23:25 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 9, 4:21 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> Whether that NPD is "neo-Nazi" or not is rather subjective and a
>> matter of opinion. They appear to be a much more moderate group than
>> American Republicans, but then for the German SPD, who would be
>> denounced as Communists in the USA, most everybody with a slightly
>> more conservative bent gets tarred as being neo-Nazi, especially any
>> party with some nationalist stuff in their platform.
>>
>> The NPD is apparently paranoid about the 5% of German residents who
>> are not ethnically German, but that hardly makes them wicked.
>>
>> In any case, the dim-witted opinions of the Limey press don't prove
>> much of anything. The UK is stuck in a time warp, much like yourself,
>> where they keep fighting WW2 over and over and over again like a
>> faulty recording. Wake up and move on.
>
>Your claim was that there was no German nazi party.
>There is such a body.
>You lied!

There is no German Nazi party. The party you have cited is called the
Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, not the NSDAP. 

>See the link I provided where the headline is
>"Germany’s main neo-Nazi party faces financial collapse after it was
>fined nearly £2.3 million for accounts irregularities"

It is a meaningless British tabloid link. You might as well have cited
the National Enquirer of USA infamy.

>
>Retraction expected

You have failed to prove your claim, so I see no reason to retract
anything.



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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:23:43 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
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>> Take a good look at you famous gas wagons the once you never gave a 
>> blueprint for.
>
>Apparently, your position is that Germans are too stupid to re-route an 
>exhaust pipe without blueprints.
>
>You probably think that they need multiple layers of management and 
>supervision to do that.
>
>Why is it that you think Germans are so stupid?
>
Anybody who would use such convoluted means as "gas wagons" to execute
people is either mindlessly stupid or the stories are myths.

Bullets were cheap, plentiful, and the way to go, if liquidation was
the intent. Stalin killed far more people than the Nazis ever did, and
he apparently had no need for inefficient, expensive, and cumbersome
"gas wagons" and neither would the Nazis.

Germans are anything but stupid, which is why the far-fetched gassing
stories are so unbelievable. It is just a repetition of the clumsy and
false WW1 propaganda.


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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:46:37 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:ZDvzm.47199$Db2.33621@edtnps83...
>> Thanks for posting the reply. Ask any mechanic what will happen if you 
>> plug up the exhaust meaning plugging up the muffler.
>
>Who says it has to be plugged?
>
>All it has to do is vent into the compartment.
>
>
>> How long will it take when you have a full cabin room of prisoners and the 
>> engine will stop.
>
>People are regularly gassed by defective exhaust systems in cars.   The cars 
>run until there's no fuel, or someone discovers them and shuts it off.

Sorry Patrick, but the legends involve Diesel engines which produce
almost no CO. Besides, why would you waste very scarce fuel when
bullets were cheap and plentiful? Your fables make no sense.

>
>Do keep in mind that your "argument" requires that Germans are too stupud to 
>figure this out.
>
>Are you still sure you want to go with it?
>
>-pk
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:V5ednVelIYW-vVPXnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>> news:364zm.47961$PH1.47930@edtnps82...
>>>> Take a good look at you famous gas wagons the once you never gave a 
>>>> blueprint for.
>>>
>>> Apparently, your position is that Germans are too stupid to re-route an 
>>> exhaust pipe without blueprints.
>>>
>>> You probably think that they need multiple layers of management and 
>>> supervision to do that.
>>>
>>> Why is it that you think Germans are so stupid?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:48:18 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:GFvzm.47200$Db2.46327@edtnps83...
>> Now this is your version and the only explanations we have are yours.
>
>Sorry, but you are of course wrong, once again.
>
>It's not my version, or my explanation.
>
>It's *Mr. Demjanjuk's*.
>
>It's what he successfully used as a defence, and why the Israelis acquitted 
>him and let him go.

The Israelis let him go because of international pressure that made
the Israeli court look like the show-trial and kangaroo court that it
was.

>
>Are you of the view that Mr. Demjanjuk is lying about his history?
>
>-pk
>
>> What is it you will think of next.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:_omdnWsEFZrxglPXnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>> news:USRym.46916$Db2.18198@edtnps83...
>>>> You should have no problems with holocaust survivor testifying who have 
>>>> never been in a concentration camp.
>>>> kk
>>>
>>> It's entirely possible for a survivor to have never been in a 
>>> concentration camp.   But you know this.
>>>
>>> In point of fact, the Einsatzgruppen murdered more than a million people, 
>>> and very few, if any, of them were in concentration camps.
>>>
>>> However, the fact that Mr. Demjanjuk has already admitted in court to 
>>> having been a guard in a specific camp establishes that pretty solidly - 
>>> so solidly that an Israeli court acquitted him of another crime on the 
>>> basis of that admission.
>>>
>>> -pk
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:btadnb4RcJf9BVbXnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:z1Mym.47871$PH1.2085@edtnps82...
>>>>>> How much control do the jews have over the procedings.
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>> One might note that "The Jews" acquitted Mr. Demjanjuk  the last time 
>>>>> he was tried.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, Mr. Demjanjuk's sucessful defence - an admission that he'd 
>>>>> been a guard at another camp - isn't really going to be particularly 
>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:7j1chhF333kdgU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> John Demjanjuk's trial on charges of being an accessory to the murder 
>>>>>>> of thousands at a Nazi death camp will begin Nov. 30, his German 
>>>>>>> lawyer said Tuesday.
>>>>>>> The Munich state court has set aside 35 trial days through to early 
>>>>>>> May 2010 to hear Demjanjuk's case, his lawyer Guenther Maull 
>>>>>>> said..................
>>>>>>> ......... doctors determined that Demjanjuk was fit to stand trial as 
>>>>>>> long as court hearings do not exceed two 90-minute sessions per day. 
>>>>>>> They carry a possible maximum sentence of 15 years in prison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:43:51 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Topaz"  wrote in message 
>news:s60tc51e6kvmu930hona4bgok5p5g598so@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:20:23 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Not for long, and then made sure that his armies would fail in their 
>>>attack
>>>on the USSR.    And then he abandoned them.
>>
>> absurd
>
>No, it's the simple truth.     Hitler abandoned his armies as soon as they 
>ran into entirely predictable problems,  problems that Hitler refused to 
>account for.

He was still there in April of 1945, so what did the guy "abandon".
You're spinning yarns again, Patrick.

>
>But it's no suprise that you are enamoured of a man who betrayed his armies, 
>his adopted nation and his people, and blamed it all on anyone else.
>
>
>


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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:42:46 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:304sc5holni018tl7qd0kk4a2ev1asb77g@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:26:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Lots of evidence is presented in many cases that has no impact on the
>>>judge or jury's final decision. Nevertheless, it will be included as
>>>part of the court record.
>>>This is as true of the Nuremberg Tribunal as anywhere else.
>>
>> The Nuremberg proceeding was a political show trial in the tradition
>> of Soviet show trials and evidence was irrelevant. The verdicts had
>> been agreed upon in advance, at Yalta.
>
>So you are saying that the acquittals were agreed upon in advance, too.

No, the USSR complained about them as being violations of the Yalta
agreement. The "judges" from western states still believed that their
court proceedings should have some semblance of legitimacy, a concept
that was of no value to the USSR which regularly railroaded people
with totally meaningless show trials.

>


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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:17:22 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"ZuLu"  wrote in message 
>news:4ace4ecc@news.x-privat.org...
>> Truthseeker escribió:
>>> Get real and German civilians and prisoners of war were send to Siberia 
>>> on vacation.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "mirjam"  wrote in message 
>>> news:55999901-5a80-42a8-b366-84ebc1f5278f@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> THE GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMP SYSTEM
>>>
>>> The concentration camps were meant to arrest so-called "SchSdlinge am
>>> deutschen Volksksrper" ("People's delinquents") in order to eliminate
>>> them from society and educate them in a national socialist way.
>>> Therefore, the Nazis arrested without legal basis real or potential
>>> political opponents and people for racial, religious and other
>>> reasons.
>>> The development of the KZ's can be divided into three periodes:
>>>
>>> Special camps for political prisoners (1933-1936): Due to the
>>> apprehensions of early 1933, the SA installed so-called "Wilde
>>> Lager" ("Wild Camps") for mostly political and religious opponents. In
>>> March 1933, the SS erected Dachau concentration camp, which later
>>> became a model for other KZ'S and where the SS trained torture, and
>>> people in the techniques of domination . It was Dachau, where the
>>> implementation of prisoners within the administrative self-
>>> preservation and the labour assignment was developed..
>>>
>>> The first victims for armament and war (1936-1941): New concentration
>>> camps (Buchenwald, Mauthausen, etc.) were founded in order to let the
>>> KZ- inmates work more and more as slave workers which was called
>>> "Vernichtung durch Arbeit" ("extermination by work").. In addition to
>>> criminals, Jehovas Witnesses, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Jews and - after
>>> the outbreak of word war II - Poles were persecuted. In the "Cristal
>>> Night", Nov. 9, 1938, more than 30.000 Jews were arrested. The number
>>> of camp inmates increased to more than 60.000 people.
>>>
>>> Armament production and mass murder (1942-1945): The prisoners were
>>> mostly assigned to armament plants, thus many subcamps were built.
>>> The SS executed Hitlers order to eliminate the Jews, called "Endlösung
>>> der Judenfrage" ("Final Solution of the Jewish Question"). The large
>>> extermination camps were built for the organised mass murder. In
>>> January 1945, 714.000 people were arrested in concentration camps,
>>> among them 511.000 men, the rest women and children.
>>>
>>> The organisation of a KZ included the following domains:
>>> I. Command Headquarters IV. Administration
>>> II. Political Department V. Camp physician
>>> III. Camp for "Protective Custody"
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to make distinctions between life and work conditions,
>>> Heinrich Himmler decreed in early 1941 a classification of the
>>> concentration camps into various camp grades:
>>> Grade I:
>>>  "All less incriminated and unconditionally re-educable protective
>>> custody prisoners"
>>> (Dachau, Auschwitz I)
>>>
>>> Grade II:
>>>  "Heavily incriminated, but still re-educable prisoners"
>>> (Buchenwald, Flossenbürg, Neuengamme, Auschwitz-Birkenau)
>>>
>>>
>>> Grade III:
>>>  "Heavily incriminated incorrigibles and criminals with previous
>>> convictions as well as asocial persons, i.e. to all intents and
>>> purposes non re-educable prisoners"
>>> (Mauthausen)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Besides, special camps for mass extermination of jews and gypsies came
>>> into being (Belzec, Sobobor, Treblinka)
>>> http://www.wsg-hist.uni-linz.ac.at/auschwitz/html/System-KZ.html
>>
>> Questions not answered:
>>
>> 1- Give me list of SPECIFIC EQUIPMENTS or SPECIFIC INSTALLATIONS which 
>> would allow to make a distinction between a concentration camp KZ and an 
>> alleged "extermination camp".
>
>Your question is, as I'm sure you are aware, based on a false premise.
>
>There are no specific equipment or installations required to make a 
>distiction between a concentration camp or a death camp.
>
>Identically, there are no specific equipment or installations required to 
>use a gun for target shooting or murder.
>
>What makes the difference is intent and action.
>
>It's all in how it is used, and we know that the Nazis used these camps and 
>technically simple solutions very effectively.
>
>Zyklon was commonly and widely used in much higher concentrations and for 
>much longer periods of time than is required to kill humans, in structures 
>as specific as tents.    There are, in reality, precisely zero valid 
>technical objections to the use of Zyklon for mass murder.

The objection is that Zyklon-B was an expensive and messy substance to
handle, whereas guns and bullets were plentiful and cheap. You cannot
easily shoot fleas and lice, so there isn't much alternative to
chemical poison, but you can shoot people and much more easily than
setting up cumbersome, convoluted and poorly-designed execution
chambers where one will still be faced with the problem of disposing
of poisonous corpses. There are just too many logical holes in your
gassing fables for them to be convincing. Zulu is dramatically more
convincing than you are, Patrick.

>
>Really, with objections as weak as yours, is it any wonder why nobody takes 
>"revisionism" seriously?
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk
>


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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:24:26 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 8, 11:19 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 6:59 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2uaAg9zFg&feature=related
>>
>> This one has been posted already and its far less quality than the
>> first one.
>
>Not true.The celebration in 1945 went on for 4 days.
>The Red Army was HUGE.

It was snubbed by Stalin, who regarded it all as a failure because the
Red Army failed to occupy ALL of Europe, as had been his obvious
intent.

The ignorant peasants, naturally, were overjoyed, but not the person
who had engineered the blood-bath to achieve an agenda that was not
realized.



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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 8, 11:24 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsbYwaWr5vA
>>
>> General Vaslov loved Der Fuhrer!
>>
>> And so did millions of Stalins troops that committed mutiny and fought
>> against Russian Troops.
>
>That's propaganda and bullshit. Goering admitted at Nuremberg that
>propanganda is easy.
>He said:"A little of this and a little of that.. and you have
>propaganda".

Göring was a mere novice at propaganda compared to people like
Ehrenburg and various Anglo-American propagandists. Their lies were so
good that they still bedevil any attempt at scientific history more
than half a century after the events.


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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:44:28 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>Masturbation
>Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the 
>story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of 
>birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d 
>killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, 
>Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, 
>and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that 
>is, ejaculation outside of the vagina. In fact, the prohibition is so strict 
>that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that 
>reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a)
>
>The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed is 
>not going to happen in female masturbation, and there is no explicit Torah 
>prohibition against female masturbation. Nevertheless, Judaism generally 
>frowns upon female masturbation as "impure thoughts

Naturally, these retards and their fictional god, had no understanding
of human reproduction. Men produce sperm cells to fertilize an ovum,
much like pollen actives an egg-cell in plants. Men do not produce
"seeds" that merely grow inside a woman's body like a plant cell might
grow in a flowerpot.

There isn't much point in even mentioning this ridiculous superstition
and its primitive body modification fetishes.


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: jews may not masturbate
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:07:32 -0700, "Don Bailey" 
wrote:

>
>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7j87usF34bibtU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Masturbation
>> Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from 
>> the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a 
>> means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased 
>> brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly 
>> masturbation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by 
>> this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of 
>> the seed), that is, ejaculation outside of the vagina. In fact, the 
>> prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the 
>> case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped 
>> off." (Niddah 13a)
>>
>> The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed 
>> is not going to happen in female masturbation, and there is no explicit 
>> Torah prohibition against female masturbation. Nevertheless, Judaism 
>> generally frowns upon female masturbation as "impure thoughts
>>
>
>But, they all pull their puds... So much for Talmudic law and other 
>nonsense. 

I would normally have viewed it as harmless nonsense until I
encountered some air-headed people who actually take such nonsense
seriously and use it to justify grievous harm. At that point to morphs
>from harmless nonsense to destructive evil that must be opposed.

>


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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:05:02 GMT, renegade@whoknowswhere.com (Yitzhak
McSchwartz) wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:44:28 +0200, "Heinrich" 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Masturbation
>>Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the 
>>story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of 
>>birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d 
>>killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, 
>>Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, 
>>and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that 
>>is, ejaculation outside of the vagina. In fact, the prohibition is so strict 
>>that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that 
>>reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a)
>
>Therefore, it seems, they are compelled to piss themselves.  LOL

The Old Testament is total crap, a waste of paper and ink.

>
>
>


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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>The reason Americans hate Obama is because he is a liar and a
>communist.  His Czar Jennings should step down now.  Jennings is a
>devout homosexual, he’s trying to pass his homosexual agenda, and his
>values of the North American Man Boy Love Association NAMBLA to the
>children in school here in the USA.  Obama is more corrupt that any
>politician has ever been in the USA.  Americans are waking up and
>seeing the light.  The majority of Americans hate Obama’s guts.  Why
>is Obama jacking around with our military in Afghanistan?  He should
>send reinforcements to Afghanistan immediately.  Is he not sending
>reinforcements because he secretly wants the Muslims to win because
>Obama himself is a Muslim?  Obama is not even a natural born American
>citizen.  Obama is a homosexual too and he does cocaine.  Look at
>these links.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXsYcExfuLM
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OVTkWBC07g
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MceFVpJ-Gyc
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFG8B0wBIWw
>

ROTFLMAO


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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:57:21 +0200, Heinrich@Ruhrgasnet.de wrote:

>On Thursday, October 1st, 2009, at 2:30 pm, we had to meet Sylvia
>Stolz to the prison from Heidelberg to Germany.
>
>Let us indicate that Sylvia Stolz is a German lawyer of 46 years who,
>because she defended, in front of the court of Mannheim, the
>German-Canadian revisionist prisoner Ernst Zündel and had asserted
>that the Holocaust was " the biggest lie of the world History ", was
>judged, condemned in his turn on January 14th, 2008 and at once
>imprisoned for the same thought crime blamed Ernst Zündel: it is what
>we call the crime of the thought. 
>
>The courage and the ardour that it spread in the defence of the
>revisionist file were worth to her the nickname of " German Joan of
>Arc ".
>
>The persons who cross more than 100 km to visit a prisoner are
>normally entitled to a visit of one hour. The judge Rinio, the
>equivalent of our judge of the liberties who checks the mails and the
>visits, had however granted us only half an hour: he had already
>authorized us a visit of one hour for the next day with Ernst Zündel
>and had probably considered that it was not obliged to grant to us
>also the whole one hour there... Small stinginess.
>
>In brief, we saw one Sylvia Stolz with a magnificent appearance :
>small blue-marine tailor, low blacks in big black boots, a smile up to
>ears and eyes of the eyes of a blue so pure, in the glance so
>intelligent!
>
>The interview obviously took place in front of a guard of the prison
>because Sylvia is always under "Untersuchungshaft" her trial is not
>completely ended, and in the presence of an interpreter.
>
>Sylvia complains about nothing: the food is not terrible but it does
>not attach it importance. She never has of moments a depression, as
>long she is persuaded that the world, some day, will eventually open
>eyes on the legitimacy of the revisionist theses. All the humiliations
>which she had to support did not affect her because she too much knows
>well where from they result.
>
>She is touched by the numerous mails whom in her big surprise she
>receives from France and asked us to pass on her thanks to all those
>who write her because each of the letters that she receives brings her
>a moment of happiness.
>
>She seems to follow the progress of the revisionism but we preferred
>not to know by which way she remained informed. She worried in any
>case about Vincent Reynouard and about Fred Töben: we answered her as
>it was advisable.
>
>Pr Faurisson, which we had informed about our movement, had charged us
>with a message for both prisoners:
>
>Good courage and my most friendly thoughts to our heroine Sylvia Stolz
>and to our hero Ernst Zündel. I award them to both the cross " For the
>Merit ". 
>
>This message made her, naturally, big pleasure.
>
>Half an hour, which was a big moment of heat, passed far too fast. Our
>last words were: " a day will come, dear Sylvia, where there will be
>in Germany a street Sylvia-Stolz "; what in what she retorted at once:
>" there will be also a street Faurisson "!
>
>For what concerned its legal situation, she deposited a substantial
>file to ask for the "revision" of her trial, what is a little similar
>- but not completely - to us to an appeal, where only the shape and
>not the bottom is examined. The answer should reach her in a few
>months.
>
>We can write her at the following address:
>
>Sylvia Stolz
>JVA 
>Oberer Fauler Pelz 1 

LOL

That is a really improbable street name.



>69117 HEIDELBERG (Germany) 


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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:20:59 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 11, 6:50 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:23:25 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Oct 9, 4:21 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>
>> >> Whether that NPD is "neo-Nazi" or not is rather subjective and a
>> >> matter of opinion. They appear to be a much more moderate group than
>> >> American Republicans, but then for the German SPD, who would be
>> >> denounced as Communists in the USA, most everybody with a slightly
>> >> more conservative bent gets tarred as being neo-Nazi, especially any
>> >> party with some nationalist stuff in their platform.
>>
>> >> The NPD is apparently paranoid about the 5% of German residents who
>> >> are not ethnically German, but that hardly makes them wicked.
>>
>> >> In any case, the dim-witted opinions of the Limey press don't prove
>> >> much of anything. The UK is stuck in a time warp, much like yourself,
>> >> where they keep fighting WW2 over and over and over again like a
>> >> faulty recording. Wake up and move on.
>>
>> >Your claim was that there was no German nazi party.
>> >There is such a body.
>> >You lied!
>>
>> There is no German Nazi party. The party you have cited is called the
>> Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, not the NSDAP.
>
> Denial aint just a river in Egypt for you is it
>
>> >See the link I provided where the headline is
>> >"Germany’s main neo-Nazi party faces financial collapse after it was
>> >fined nearly £2.3 million for accounts irregularities"
>>
>> It is a meaningless British tabloid link. You might as well have cited
>> the National Enquirer of USA infamy.
>
>
> Denial aint just a river in Egypt for you is it

There has never been a "Nazi" party in Germany post WW2 since the
agents of the Verfassungsschutz would be all over them in nothing
flat. The accusations against the NPD are legally pretty flimsy and
would not stand up in an unbiased court. The persecution of political
conservatives in Germany is "political justice" not objective justice.
Once again, thought crimes are being pursued in Germany.


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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 11, 7:32 am, I'll Always Be 10/10/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <1v2Am.48424$PH1.47767@edtnps82>,
>>  "Truthseeker" 
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > There ja go sucker two languages are better than one you also find out wht
>> > the other side will not tell you.
>>
>> Yes, two languages are better than one,
>> but you don't speak one.
>
>We speak English because we beat the germans, italians and the
>japanese.

Well, george, it seems that your stupidity knows no bounds. You speak
the Germanic language denoted as English because your area was once a
British colony, and for no other reason. Your victory in WW2 means
exactly nothing, other than that in that particular altercation you
managed to prevail. Even had you lost, you would not be speaking
Italian, German, or Japanese. Good Lord, are ALL Americans as stupid
as george, or is george unique?


>The Internet is international they want to post in a loser language
>they should do so in a loser group

The only loser around these parts is you, george.


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:19:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message 
>news:c9b3e$4ad14441$cf701d81$8283@PRIMUS.CA...
>> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:7jbmjsF35jad7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Friday, October 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm we visited, for the 3rd time, 
>>>> the criminal of the thought,
>>>
>>> EZ is not a thought criminal.   His crimes took the form of physical 
>>> actions, specifically the deliberate importation to Germany of illegal 
>>> materials.
>>>
>>> Your statement requires that you also call importers of child porn 
>>> "thought criminals", since their situation is *exactly the same*.
>>>
>> Mr Keenan, you are mistaken.
>> Child pornography involves the actual abuse of children, although not 
>> necessarily by the importer or possessor.
>> Zundel's pamphlets involve merely ideas, repugnant though they may be.
>> Thus, they are hardly *exactly the same* as you would have us believe.
>
>No, they do not involve "merely ideas", and it is exactly the same 
>principle.

Sorry Patrick, but you are totally wrong. Children are abused in the
making of pornography. Nobody is harmed by a political pamphlet unless
the pamphlet specifically threatens either an individual or a group.
You seem to be at the forefront of people who are trying to turn
Canada into a police state where unpopular political commentary is
criminalized, much like in today's Germany.

>
>>
>>>> German-Canadian Ernst Zündel,
>>>
>>> Wrong again.   Zundel is not "German-Canadian".   He has never been 
>>> Canadian.    At most, he was a landed immigrant, but when he fled rather 
>>> than discuss his ties to violent criminal groups with a Senate committee, 
>>> he said he would never be back.
>>>
>>> He claimed he was being "persecuted" by the Canadian government, but the 
>>> moment the US predictably kicked him out for breaking US immigration 
>>> laws, he applied for "refugee" status.
>>>
>>> Real refugees don't apply for haven in the very country they fled.
>>>
>>> Zundel's problems are his own making.     If he were a person of 
>>> principle, he'd admit to this.
>>>
>>> -pk 
>


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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:39:05 +0200, Guy Gaz  wrote:

>George schrieb:
>
>> We speak English because we beat the germans, italians and the
>> japanese.
>
>I guess *you* did not beat _anyone_, boy!

Poor george is illiterate in ALL languages, even English, as his
pathetic attempt at sentence construction shows.



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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
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>On Oct 11, 3:38 am, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>> "Sergei"  wrotenews:270c2d6e-ffe6-4a92-9055-44fd830b90d1@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm not sure about plethora being used for murdering other people,
>> >> but he undoubtedly could've speed up his own death by eating shit...
>>
>> > A gun cannot fire itself.
>>
>> You are right, Ser gey, a
>> trigger must be pulled by
>> a person holding the gun.
>> Which allow him so easy
>> to kill people accidentally,
>> as well as intentionally, in
>> addition to killing himself.....
>> --
>> _____________________________________________________
>
>You can kill people accidentally(and yourself) by driving an
>automobile carelessly.
>I guess that means you'll have to be careful with both guns and
>automobiles.

An automobile is useful, whereas the only purpose of a handgun is to
kill people. You do need to be careful with both, but the two are not
capable of logical comparison.


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:53:22 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>London, Oct 9 : Adolf Hitler's dental fillings were made from gold torn from 
>the mouths of Jews in Nazi concentration camps, reveals a new book on the 
>German dictator.he revelation comes after a newly discovered document showed 
>that Hitler's dentist had about 11lbs of dental gold from the concentration 
>camps at his disposal for the treatment of senior Nazis.
>
>The new book, titled 'Was Hitler Ill?' was co-authored by Henrik Eberle- a 
>historian who has written several successful books on the Nazi leader and 
>Hans-Joachim Neumann- a professor of medicine at Berlin's Charite 
>University.
>
>Eberle said that Hitler's dentist Hugo Blaschke had put 10 fillings in his 
>mouth in 1944.
>
>"The most likely place the gold came from is from the supply Blaschke had 
>from the concentration camps," the Telegraph quoted Eberle as saying.
>
>"Most of this came from Jews. Gold from other sources was very hard to find 
>in Germany and that is why I believe that Hitler's fillings came from Jewish 
>victims of the Nazis," he added.
>
>It is known that the Nazis removed gold teeth and fillings from their 
>concentration camp victims.
>
>The new document is a 1941 letter from one of Blaschke's underlings to the 
>office of SS commander Heinrich Himmler.
>
>It states that Blaschke had 50 kilograms of dental gold enough to last for 
>years.

I see. The dentist had $1,607,142 worth of gold in his office. The
story of the tooth-fairy is more believable.

The amount of total nonsense written about that period seems to
increase from year to year. This stuff is junk history in the same
pathetic genre as "The Pink Swastika".

>
>http://www.britainnews.net/story/552321 


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 12, 3:17 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> There has never been a "Nazi" party in Germany post WW2 since the
>> agents of the Verfassungsschutz would be all over them in nothing
>> flat. The accusations against the NPD are legally pretty flimsy and
>> would not stand up in an unbiased court. The persecution of political
>> conservatives in Germany is "political justice" not objective justice.
>> Once again, thought crimes are being pursued in Germany.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> 10th of October newspaper item
>
>http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3555325,00.html
>those nonexistant nazis again

LOL

They have more right-wing extremist crackpots in the UK and the USA.
Go whine at them, rather than getting bent out of shape about a fringe
political movement in Germany. Such fringe manifestations exist in
virtually every country. Most NS-style literature distributed in
Germany was printed in the USA, mainly Omaha, Nebraska.

The fact remains, that even if a political group shares some notions
with the historical Nazis, they are NOT Nazis unless they specifically
state that they are the successor organization to the old NSDAP.


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 12, 8:39 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> "George"  schreef in berichtnews:2c2e306a-4470-402f-8ee2-a9cb1eeeb135@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 12, 3:17 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There has never been a "Nazi" party in Germany post WW2 since the
>> > agents of the Verfassungsschutz would be all over them in nothing
>> > flat. The accusations against the NPD are legally pretty flimsy and
>> > would not stand up in an unbiased court. The persecution of political
>> > conservatives in Germany is "political justice" not objective justice.
>> > Once again, thought crimes are being pursued in Germany.- Hide quoted
>> > text -
>>
>>  10th of October newspaper item
>>
>> http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3555325,00.html
>> those nonexistant nazis again
>>
>> your constant babbling about nazis is getting very borring. i suggrested you
>> on an earlier ocassion to stop babbling and to concentrateon the huge number
>> of sheepin kiwiland.
>
>Don't change the subject....
>The claim by a nazi was that there was no such thing as a nazi or a
>German nazi party currently.
>If you have to lie first check Google to see if your lie is easily
>detected

LOL

You're deranged, george.

Get yourself a prescription for some psychiatric medication.


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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:07:48 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:8bg1d5lku037gsifvlqodbaedhs8fn9snt@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:46:37 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>news:ZDvzm.47199$Db2.33621@edtnps83...
>>>> Thanks for posting the reply. Ask any mechanic what will happen if you
>>>> plug up the exhaust meaning plugging up the muffler.
>>>
>>>Who says it has to be plugged?
>>>
>>>All it has to do is vent into the compartment.
>>>
>>>
>>>> How long will it take when you have a full cabin room of prisoners and 
>>>> the
>>>> engine will stop.
>>>
>>>People are regularly gassed by defective exhaust systems in cars.   The 
>>>cars
>>>run until there's no fuel, or someone discovers them and shuts it off.
>>
>> Sorry Patrick, but the legends involve Diesel engines which produce
>> almost no CO.
>
>Not if they are running efficiently, but it's been demonstrated that it's 
>extremely easy to modify a diesel engine to produce more than enough CO to 
>kill humans, in fact up to about 3,000 ppm.

It is still a lot easier to shoot people rather than ruining Diesel
engines and wasting huge amounts of scarce fuel.

>
>Are you really unaware of these studies and reference materials?
>
>Or are you of the view that Germans are too stupid to realize that *simply 
>restricting the air intake* would cause the CO output to rise dramatically?
>
>> Besides, why would you waste very scarce fuel
>
>This is partly why they shifted to using Zyklon, which was cheap and readily 
>available in bulk.
>
>But you know that.
>
>> when bullets were cheap and plentiful?
>
>The SS came to realize that the manual, in-person acts of mass murder were 
>brutalising the troops.

I see, but showing people into execution chambers does not brutalize
them, is that your model? Like the rest of your stuff, it makes no
sense.

>
>Even Himmler was overcome by what he saw.
>
>> Your fables make no sense.
>
>Do you think it makes sense to send armies into Russia at the beginning of 
>fall, and refuse to allow them winter gear?

He didn't "refuse" to allow them winter gear. It wasn't available and
they simply were unable to manufacture it fast enough. This was a
campaign error by a military amateur. The general staff probably had
the best idea of pull back to warmer areas and advance again in the
spring.

>
>No, but that's exactly what Hitler did.
>
>And then he abandoned his troops to the Russians and the Russian winter when 
>they quite predictably ran into trouble.

Nobody was "abandoned" in Russia. Collections were taken up for
emergency warm clothing, but it is almost mission impossible to scrape
together enough clothing for more than 3 million soldiers in the field
and their support staff.

>
>Then he blamed everyone else.
>
>We're talking about Hitler and the results of Nazism.
>
>We are *not* discussing rational behaviour.
>
>-pk
>
>>
>>>
>>>Do keep in mind that your "argument" requires that Germans are too stupud 
>>>to
>>>figure this out.
>>>
>>>Are you still sure you want to go with it?
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>> news:V5ednVelIYW-vVPXnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:364zm.47961$PH1.47930@edtnps82...
>>>>>> Take a good look at you famous gas wagons the once you never gave a
>>>>>> blueprint for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently, your position is that Germans are too stupid to re-route an
>>>>> exhaust pipe without blueprints.
>>>>>
>>>>> You probably think that they need multiple layers of management and
>>>>> supervision to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that you think Germans are so stupid?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:56:24 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:6ng1d5hhbkmffjoqnih9qt61p3p6e4io37@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:42:46 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:304sc5holni018tl7qd0kk4a2ev1asb77g@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:26:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Lots of evidence is presented in many cases that has no impact on the
>>>>>judge or jury's final decision. Nevertheless, it will be included as
>>>>>part of the court record.
>>>>>This is as true of the Nuremberg Tribunal as anywhere else.
>>>>
>>>> The Nuremberg proceeding was a political show trial in the tradition
>>>> of Soviet show trials and evidence was irrelevant. The verdicts had
>>>> been agreed upon in advance, at Yalta.
>>>
>>>So you are saying that the acquittals were agreed upon in advance, too.
>>
>> No, the USSR complained about them as being violations of the Yalta
>> agreement.
>
>So, then, the outcomes were *not* agreed on in advance.

No, it just means that the western allies broke the agreement.

>
>> The "judges" from western states still believed that their
>> court proceedings should have some semblance of legitimacy, a concept
>> that was of no value to the USSR which regularly railroaded people
>> with totally meaningless show trials.
>
>Then you are saying that the verdicts were *not* agreed on in advance.

It was a falling out among thieves, with the western allies reneging
on agreements for the sake of public image.

>
>Either way, your assertions are contradicted either by themselves or the 
>facts.
>
>Please show where in the Yalta agreements the verdicts were specified.

I'll leave it to you to dig up the minutes of those meetings. For me,
it is enough to realize that the Russians were outraged by what they
perceived as reneging on agreements.


>
>-pk 
>


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:27:09 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
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>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:19:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message
>>>news:c9b3e$4ad14441$cf701d81$8283@PRIMUS.CA...
>>>> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:7jbmjsF35jad7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On Friday, October 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm we visited, for the 3rd time,
>>>>>> the criminal of the thought,
>>>>>
>>>>> EZ is not a thought criminal.   His crimes took the form of physical
>>>>> actions, specifically the deliberate importation to Germany of illegal
>>>>> materials.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your statement requires that you also call importers of child porn
>>>>> "thought criminals", since their situation is *exactly the same*.
>>>>>
>>>> Mr Keenan, you are mistaken.
>>>> Child pornography involves the actual abuse of children, although not
>>>> necessarily by the importer or possessor.
>>>> Zundel's pamphlets involve merely ideas, repugnant though they may be.
>>>> Thus, they are hardly *exactly the same* as you would have us believe.
>>>
>>>No, they do not involve "merely ideas", and it is exactly the same
>>>principle.
>>
>> Sorry Patrick, but you are totally wrong.
>
>You might want to check the laws before you go on, but you won't...
>
>> Children are abused in the
>> making of pornography.
>
>Not always.    It's entirely possible for  pornography to be the product of 
>fantasy, with no involvement by actually existing children or adults.   It 
>becomes illegal when it is expressed and communicated.
>
>Similarly, it's entirely possible to be arrested, charged, convicted and 
>imprisoned for drug trafficing even if the drugs are fake.
>
>> Nobody is harmed by a political pamphlet unless
>> the pamphlet specifically threatens either an individual or a group.
>
>Or leads to harm, which has already happened.
>
>In any case, the German state determined that the importation of materials 
>promoting National Socialism was and is not legal.   Zundel knew this, and 
>did it anyway.
>
>He deliberately broke the laws of his own country.
>
>If you wonder why, consider that he got rich doing so.
>
>> You seem to be at the forefront of people who are trying to turn
>> Canada into a police state where unpopular political commentary is
>> criminalized, much like in today's Germany.
>
>Excuse me, but what Zundel supports and promotes is a primary example of a 
>police state.

LOL

That appears to be your claim, but then you claim a lot of ridiculous
stuff.

>
>Or perhaps you are just ignorant of what Zundel is about?

I took much of Zündel's stuff with a grain of salt, much as I dismiss
your stuff as shallow partisan nonsense.

>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> German-Canadian Ernst Zündel,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong again.   Zundel is not "German-Canadian".   He has never been
>>>>> Canadian.    At most, he was a landed immigrant, but when he fled 
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than discuss his ties to violent criminal groups with a Senate 
>>>>> committee,
>>>>> he said he would never be back.
>>>>>
>>>>> He claimed he was being "persecuted" by the Canadian government, but 
>>>>> the
>>>>> moment the US predictably kicked him out for breaking US immigration
>>>>> laws, he applied for "refugee" status.
>>>>>
>>>>> Real refugees don't apply for haven in the very country they fled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Zundel's problems are his own making.     If he were a person of
>>>>> principle, he'd admit to this.
>>>>>
>>>>> -pk
>>> 
>


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 12, 3:17 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:39:05 +0200, Guy Gaz  wrote:
>> >George schrieb:
>>
>> >> We speak English because we beat the germans, italians and the
>> >> japanese.
>>
>> >I guess *you* did not beat _anyone_, boy!
>>
>> Poor george is illiterate in ALL languages, even English, as his
>> pathetic attempt at sentence construction shows.
>
>Really gets up your nose that the 1000 year Reich lasted all of 10
>years eh?

Actually, it was twelve years, but then accuracy has never been your
strong suit.

>
>Germany nil
>The World WON

The USA was the only country to expand its power base, as was its
agenda from the start, whereas its allies lost everything.

The world definitely did not "win", since WW2 freed nobody, but
enslaved billions in Asia and hundreds of millions in Europe.

The American dominated world will probably see humans extinct before
the start of the 22nd century. Nobody won anything through WW2. It
merely installed the most evil and corrupt political entity in human
history as the world hegemon. 



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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 11, 10:21 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 11, 3:38 am, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>> >> "Sergei"  wrotenews:270c2d6e-ffe6-4a92-9055-44fd830b90d1@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I'm not sure about plethora being used for murdering other people,
>> >> >> but he undoubtedly could've speed up his own death by eating shit...
>>
>> >> > A gun cannot fire itself.
>>
>> >> You are right, Ser gey, a
>> >> trigger must be pulled by
>> >> a person holding the gun.
>> >> Which allow him so easy
>> >> to kill people accidentally,
>> >> as well as intentionally, in
>> >> addition to killing himself.....
>> >> --
>> >> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> >You can kill people accidentally(and yourself) by driving an
>> >automobile carelessly.
>> >I guess that means you'll have to be careful with both guns and
>> >automobiles.
>>
>> An automobile is useful, whereas the only purpose of a handgun is to
>> kill people. You do need to be careful with both, but the two are not
>> capable of logical comparison.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Actually,a gun is useful in protecting yourself.The sight of one will
>often prevent violence.

American statistics show that the person most likely to be harmed or
killed by a handgun is the owner.

>
>Gun control is the theory that a 90 pound woman should fistfight with
>rapists.

That is nonsense. If a would-be robber knows that the target is armed,
then it becomes prudent to shoot the target in the back before there
is any risk of the target's firearm being used.

It is the same sort of nonsense as when California decided to show its
abhorrence for kidnapping by prescribing execution for the crime of
kidnapping. It didn't lower the incidence of kidnapping, but it did
ensure that virtually no kidnapping victim survived the ordeal. Dead
kidnapping victims cannot take the stand in a court, and the penalty
is the same either way.

If you want to make sure that no rape victim survives, just prescribe
execution for the crime of rape. 


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:21:42 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Sergei"  wrote in message 
>news:00e4318a-4c5f-4e64-a5ca-600249a27579@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 11, 10:21 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Oct 11, 3:38 am, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>> >> "Sergei"  
>> >> wrotenews:270c2d6e-ffe6-4a92-9055-44fd830b90d1@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I'm not sure about plethora being used for murdering other people,
>> >> >> but he undoubtedly could've speed up his own death by eating shit...
>>
>> >> > A gun cannot fire itself.
>>
>> >> You are right, Ser gey, a
>> >> trigger must be pulled by
>> >> a person holding the gun.
>> >> Which allow him so easy
>> >> to kill people accidentally,
>> >> as well as intentionally, in
>> >> addition to killing himself.....
>> >> --
>> >> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> >You can kill people accidentally(and yourself) by driving an
>> >automobile carelessly.
>> >I guess that means you'll have to be careful with both guns and
>> >automobiles.
>>
>> An automobile is useful, whereas the only purpose of a handgun is to
>> kill people. You do need to be careful with both, but the two are not
>> capable of logical comparison.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>| Actually,a gun is useful in protecting yourself.The sight of one will
>| often prevent violence.
>
>I will suggest that before you commit too thorougly to that idea, you 
>examine what's happening in areas with many guns these days.
>
>You'll find that the increase in weaponry does *not* make for a less 
>violent, safer or politer society.

Holy Moly, I actually find myself agreeing with a Keenan position.

>
>-pk
>
>


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:11:08 -0500, Sara Salzman
 wrote:

>In article ,
> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >On Oct 11, 3:38 am, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>> >> "Sergei"  
>> >> wrotenews:270c2d6e-ffe6-4a92-9055-44fd830b90d1@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I'm not sure about plethora being used for murdering other people,
>> >> >> but he undoubtedly could've speed up his own death by eating shit...
>> >>
>> >> > A gun cannot fire itself.
>> >>
>> >> You are right, Ser gey, a
>> >> trigger must be pulled by
>> >> a person holding the gun.
>> >> Which allow him so easy
>> >> to kill people accidentally,
>> >> as well as intentionally, in
>> >> addition to killing himself.....
>> >> --
>> >> _____________________________________________________
>> >
>> >You can kill people accidentally(and yourself) by driving an
>> >automobile carelessly.
>> >I guess that means you'll have to be careful with both guns and
>> >automobiles.
>> 
>> An automobile is useful, whereas the only purpose of a handgun is to
>> kill people. You do need to be careful with both, but the two are not
>> capable of logical comparison.
>
>That will come as a real surprise during hunting season, when handguns 
>and other guns are used to kill game.

Nobody in their right mind goes hunting game with a handgun,
especially if the game is larger or more dangerous than a rabbit.

Handguns are specifically intended to murder people, not for hunting.



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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:06:07 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 11, 8:11 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> In article ,
>>  Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> > >On Oct 11, 3:38 am, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>> > >> "Sergei" 
>> > >> wrotenews:270c2d6e-ffe6-4a92-9055-44fd830b90d1@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com
>> > >> ...
>>
>> > >> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> I'm not sure about plethora being used for murdering other people,
>> > >> >> but he undoubtedly could've speed up his own death by eating shit...
>>
>> > >> > A gun cannot fire itself.
>>
>> > >> You are right, Ser gey, a
>> > >> trigger must be pulled by
>> > >> a person holding the gun.
>> > >> Which allow him so easy
>> > >> to kill people accidentally,
>> > >> as well as intentionally, in
>> > >> addition to killing himself.....
>> > >> --
>> > >> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> > >You can kill people accidentally(and yourself) by driving an
>> > >automobile carelessly.
>> > >I guess that means you'll have to be careful with both guns and
>> > >automobiles.
>>
>> > An automobile is useful, whereas the only purpose of a handgun is to
>> > kill people. You do need to be careful with both, but the two are not
>> > capable of logical comparison.
>>
>> That will come as a real surprise during hunting season, when handguns
>> and other guns are used to kill game.
>>
>> --
>The second amendment to the Constitution gives Americans the right to
>self-defense with guns.

Applying 18th century legislation to a state in the 21st century is
not too bright. It is pretty obvious that this old piece of
legislation is being misread and distorted beyond all recognition.

>If some decline to do that, that's their choice.

>I choose not to be a victim.

Not many people in Toronto own handguns, but Toronto has a DRASTICALLY
lower rate of murder and other gun violence than does the USA. Does it
not bother you that the USA has the highest murder rate in the
developed world, or that a modest size city like Detroit or Washington
has more than twice the number of murders as all Canada with its
resident population of 33 million people?

The USA is a social disaster.


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 11, 10:08 pm, I'll Always Be 12/10/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <280f8043-264e-403b-b09b-9c4e9118d356@f1
>> 6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sergei  wrote:
>> > On Oct 11, 8:11 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > > In article ,
>> > >  Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>> > > >  wrote:
>>
>> > > > >On Oct 11, 3:38 am, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>> > > > >> "Sergei" 
>> > > > >> wrotenews:270c2d6e-ffe6-4a92-9055-44fd830b90d1@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups
>> > > > >> .com
>> > > > >> ...
>>
>> > > > >> > "_ G O D _" wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> >> I'm not sure about plethora being used for murdering other people,
>> > > > >> >> but he undoubtedly could've speed up his own death by eating
>> > > > >> >> shit...
>>
>> > > > >> > A gun cannot fire itself.
>>
>> > > > >> You are right, Ser gey, a
>> > > > >> trigger must be pulled by
>> > > > >> a person holding the gun.
>> > > > >> Which allow him so easy
>> > > > >> to kill people accidentally,
>> > > > >> as well as intentionally, in
>> > > > >> addition to killing himself.....
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> > > > >You can kill people accidentally(and yourself) by driving an
>> > > > >automobile carelessly.
>> > > > >I guess that means you'll have to be careful with both guns and
>> > > > >automobiles.
>>
>> > > > An automobile is useful, whereas the only purpose of a handgun is to
>> > > > kill people. You do need to be careful with both, but the two are not
>> > > > capable of logical comparison.
>>
>> > > That will come as a real surprise during hunting season, when handguns
>> > > and other guns are used to kill game.
>>
>> > > --
>> > The second amendment to the Constitution gives Americans the right to
>> > self-defense with guns.
>>
>> No it doesn't.
>
>Yes, it does.There has been private gun ownership of guns since 1789.
>Apparently, your ignorance extends into Constitutional law.

This ill-considered piece of nonsense legislation has undoubtedly
claimed millions of lives between then and now.

>>
>> > If some decline to do that, that's their choice.
>> > I choose not to be a victim.
>>
>> But you whine like one
>
>Go fuck youself.


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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 13, 6:06 pm, Gord McFee  wrote:
>> On 10/4/2009 2:31 PM, Sergei wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 4, 9:44 am, Gord McFee  wrote:
>> >> On 9/29/2009 5:58 PM, Topaz wrote:
>>
>> >>> "The Katyn Forest is an area in Poland were the Soviets had
>>
>> >> [rest deleted]
>>
>> >> That wasn't the exchange, Alex.  It went like this:
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >> On Sep 28, 6:45 pm, Topaz  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>  German leaders believed in death before dishonor.
>>
>> >> [Joe Bruno]
>>
>> >> Really? Then why did 23 of them surrender to the Allies to be tried at
>> >> Nuremberg?
>>
>> >> 13 were hung for war crimes.
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >> And your response?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Gord McFee
>> >> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> >> Visit the Holocaust History Projecthttp://www.holocaust-history.org
>>
>> > Er hat kein Antwort.
>>
>> Das ist nicht das erste Mal.
>>
>> --
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Projecthttp://www.holocaust-history.org- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Ich weisse das.

You speak German like a Polish peasant with a grade-school education.


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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:37:32 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Oct 14, 5:37 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> They have more right-wing extremist crackpots in the UK and the USA.
>> Go whine at them, rather than getting bent out of shape about a fringe
>> political movement in Germany. Such fringe manifestations exist in
>> virtually every country. Most NS-style literature distributed in
>> Germany was printed in the USA, mainly Omaha, Nebraska.
>>
>> The fact remains, that even if a political group shares some notions
>> with the historical Nazis, they are NOT Nazis unless they specifically
>> state that they are the successor organization to the old NSDAP.
>
>You must have missed this
>Quoted from the linked article:
>The police raid uncovered racist propaganda and Nazi material,
>including tea towels with swastikas on them and maps showing Europe
>and Germany with pre-1918 borders.
>Denial aint just a river in Egypt for you is it

Having a map showing the pre-1918 borders does not make one a Nazi.

Having racist propaganda suggests that the person may be a racist,
like george, but not necessarily a Nazi.

Numerous people have "memorabilia" from that period, but it does not
follow that they are Nazis. Naturally, they ran afoul of German
legislation because it is illegal to possess memorabilia from that
period. Laws vary from place to place.

Nothing in your article makes the people involved into Nazis unless
they specifically state that they are the successor to the NSDAP.


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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:01:03 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 13, 6:35 pm, Gord McFee  wrote:
>> On 10/10/2009 1:50 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:43:51 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>> >>news:s60tc51e6kvmu930hona4bgok5p5g598so@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:20:23 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>> >>>  wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Not for long, and then made sure that his armies would fail in
>> >>>> their attack on the USSR.    And then he abandoned them.
>>
>> >>> absurd
>>
>> >> No, it's the simple truth.     Hitler abandoned his armies as soon
>> >> as they ran into entirely predictable problems,  problems that
>> >> Hitler refused to account for.
>>
>> > He was still there in April of 1945, so what did the guy "abandon".
>>
>> As just one example, he abandoned the army at Stalingrad.
>>
>> But worse, he forbade them to employ defensive measures that might have
>> aided their cause immensely.
>>
>> --
>He also abandoned Rommel's Afrika Korps when they were surrounded by
>the British in North Africa.

The British navy was dramatically larger than the German navy and it
pretty much controlled the oceans. Nobody "abandoned" anybody.

>
>He also abandoned the battleship Bismarck in the North Atlantic when
>she was surrounded by British warships
>and disabled, having lost control of her rudder.

This makes even less sense than your first dose of babble.



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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:46:18 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
 wrote:

>On Oct 8, 5:51 am, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> The Nuremberg trial was a show trial. I just wonder what the Americans did
>> with the Japanese.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Sergei"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:9bea0b3c-71ec-4a48-9fd4-ba71d7896b68@d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>There were war cimes trials in Tokyo, too, ignoramus.
>General Yamashita was hanged.

If this were more than just a propaganda exercise, then most of the
U.S. general staff and the U.S. government would have swung parallel
to General Yamashita.


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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:40:00 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:vv89d5pmk6af0mmj6noj77l4rf2u1q5p1d@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:56:24 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:6ng1d5hhbkmffjoqnih9qt61p3p6e4io37@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:42:46 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:304sc5holni018tl7qd0kk4a2ev1asb77g@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:26:56 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lots of evidence is presented in many cases that has no impact on the
>>>>>>>judge or jury's final decision. Nevertheless, it will be included as
>>>>>>>part of the court record.
>>>>>>>This is as true of the Nuremberg Tribunal as anywhere else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nuremberg proceeding was a political show trial in the tradition
>>>>>> of Soviet show trials and evidence was irrelevant. The verdicts had
>>>>>> been agreed upon in advance, at Yalta.
>>>>>
>>>>>So you are saying that the acquittals were agreed upon in advance, too.
>>>>
>>>> No, the USSR complained about them as being violations of the Yalta
>>>> agreement.
>>>
>>>So, then, the outcomes were *not* agreed on in advance.
>>
>> No, it just means that the western allies broke the agreement.
>>
>>>
>>>> The "judges" from western states still believed that their
>>>> court proceedings should have some semblance of legitimacy, a concept
>>>> that was of no value to the USSR which regularly railroaded people
>>>> with totally meaningless show trials.
>>>
>>>Then you are saying that the verdicts were *not* agreed on in advance.
>>
>> It was a falling out among thieves, with the western allies reneging
>> on agreements for the sake of public image.
>>
>>>
>>>Either way, your assertions are contradicted either by themselves or the
>>>facts.
>>>
>>>Please show where in the Yalta agreements the verdicts were specified.
>>
>> I'll leave it to you to dig up the minutes of those meetings.
>
>And that would likely be because you can not.
>
>> For me,
>> it is enough to
>
>... to make things up.

No Patrick, all your babble has said exactly nothing. You are pushing
bad history based on propaganda.

>
>> realize that the Russians were outraged by what they
>> perceived as reneging on agreements.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>-pk
>>> 
>


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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:07:40 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>BERLIN -- Jews and Muslims should have public holidays in Germany like their 
>Christian counterparts, leaders of the two communities said.
>
>Stephan Kramer, general secretary of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, 
>told the Berliner Morgenpost newspaper that Yom Kippur could be the best 
>choice for such a public holiday. Public schools would be closed to impress 
>on the public the meaning of the Day of Atonement.

That would violate the German constitution which keeps religion out of
schools. Schools in Germany are closed for "Christian" holidays for
practical purposes of too few students, rather than for religious
reasons. It is lunacy to close a secondary school with say 2000
students because the five or six Jewish students are away for a Jewish
holiday.

If schools were to close to accommodate everybody's religious
superstitions, then it would almost never be open.

Even prewar, there were never more than 500,000 Jews in Germany or
0.61% of the population. Your typical secondary school with 2,000
students would have had 12 Jewish students.


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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:18 -0700 (PDT), CUNTICA
 wrote:

>.........both are short, fat, smelly, really greasy Neo-Nazi homo's!
>
>Outside of that..........
>
> ................they'd both look good hanging from a rope!

Well, Cuntica, you can always fantasize.


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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:28:01 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Oct 16, 7:14 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> Nothing in your article makes the people involved into Nazis unless
>> they specifically state that they are the successor to the NSDAP

>Yopu want more evidence of germans still following the detested nazi
>path?

It all boils down to the OPINION of the various political partisans.
Lots of people have been called Nazis, especially by idiots such as
george, merely because the people didn't buy into the prejudices of
the name-caller.

>The German newspapers record such events very concisely.

Like all newspapers, German papers write from a political perspective.
When I read right-wing papers like the Toronto Sun or the National
Post, the world seems like a totally alien place that is apparently
overrun with liberals and pinkos. Your fictitious world seems to be
overrun by fascists and neo-fascists. Medically, they call such
visions hallucinations.

>The we'll get onto the Russian nazis and after that the British and
>American if you like.

>If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck its a duck !

That is a pretty unscientific classification method and would make you
fail any biology course.



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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:30:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Topaz"  wrote in message 
>news:p3ncd51bh6j25dcqtppl2nbdqaan6l6etn@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:32:02 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/8/2009 12:41 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:20:23 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:ek1pc55vpogfbkacancvp293bcbs24a2up@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT), Sergei
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 8:31 pm, Sergei  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yesirree! Hitler really stopped Communism, didn't he?ROTFL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He did in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for long, and then made sure that his armies would fail in
>>>>> their attack on the USSR.    And then he abandoned them.
>>>>
>>>> LOL, Patrick, where do you get this stuff? It makes no sense.
>>>
>>>It's called historical fact, something completely foreign to you.
>>
>> Gord McFee was born with his head up his aft end. It's called
>> historical fact. His mother never helped him pull his head out of his
>> aft end. And then she abandoned him.
>
>In other words, you can not deal with the facts of the history.

LOL

Gordo doesn't deal in "facts" and he never has. He is a partisan
propagandist much like his patron mcvay.

>
>Hardly surprising..
>
>
>
>


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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:29:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Topaz"  wrote in message 
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>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:35:09 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/10/2009 1:50 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:43:51 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:s60tc51e6kvmu930hona4bgok5p5g598so@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:20:23 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not for long, and then made sure that his armies would fail in
>>>>>>> their attack on the USSR.    And then he abandoned them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> absurd
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's the simple truth.     Hitler abandoned his armies as soon
>>>>> as they ran into entirely predictable problems,  problems that
>>>>> Hitler refused to account for.
>>>>
>>>> He was still there in April of 1945, so what did the guy "abandon".
>>>
>>>As just one example, he abandoned the army at Stalingrad.
>>>
>>>But worse, he forbade them to employ defensive measures that might have
>>>aided their cause immensely.
>>
>> Gord McFee has his head up a Jews aft end, figuratively speaking. He
>> would believe anything story that comes out of a Jew, no matter how
>> ridiculous.
>
>No, he's telling you what the facts are, which come from *German* sources.

I can find really rabid opinions about Obama coming from "American
sources", but that by itself does not make the rantings true. It takes
a bit more than national origin to stamp a statement as "factual"
rather than empty political hype.

>
>It's not suprising - only sad - that your faith requires that you reject the 
>facts.
>
>-pk
>


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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:05:56 +0100, Daniel Bernard
 wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:03:48 +0200, "Heinrich"
> wrote:
>
>>GERMAN prosecutors have filed a complaint against a British bishop, 
>>Richard Williamson, for inciting racial hatred after he said "not one 
>>Jew" was killed in Nazi gas chambers.
>
>That's not inciting racial hatred. 
>
>If the Hun are worried about inciting racial hatred, they should look
>at their own recent past and the racial hatred they stirred up.

LOL

Where poor george babbles on endlessly about imaginary Nazis, you seem
to be fixated on imaginary Huns. There have been no Huns in Europe for
millennia, and the German people have no racial connections to Huns
whatsoever. You are conflating WW1 British propaganda with reality.
Besides, if Germans are Huns, then so are the British, since the bulk
of the population of England consists of descendants of the Germanic
Saxons who took over the place during the seventh century.

>>
>> The competent court in Regensburg, southern Germany, must now decide 
>>whether to accept the charges, its president, Johann Ploed, said, adding 
>>that the decision would come in around one week.  Any punishment would 
>>likely be a fine, he said today. If Bishop Williamson accepted the fine, 
>>there would be no need for a public trial. 
>>
>Bishop Williamson should give this court the typical British reply to
>a German, namely by singing "Two World Wars and one World Cup" or "Ten
>German Bombers" as loud as possible.
>
>>Bishop Williamson sparked controversy in January when he gave a 
>>television interview in the vicinity of Regensburg in which he said: 
>>"There was not one Jew killed by the gas chambers. It was all lies, 
>>lies, lies." The bishop said he believed "200,000 to 300,000 Jews 
>>perished in Nazi concentration camps, but none of them by gas chambers". 
>>
>>
>>The outburst prompted a very rare comment on religious matters by German 
>>Chancellor Angela Merkel, who called on Pope Benedict XVI to "clarify 
>>unambiguously that there can be no denial" the Nazis killed six million 
>>Jews.
>>
>Frau Merkel can blow it out her fat Hun arse. She has no business
>meddling in the affairs of the Catholic Church and the Pope should
>have told her so.


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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:44:29 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>Israeli coffee shop chain Ilan's has announced it will no longer serve its 
>customers Turkish coffee, in protest of the airing of a grossly anti-Israeli 
>scene in a Turkish television show. The scene showed IDF officers supposedly 
>shooting Arab babies.
>Ilan's marketing manager said that "like all Israelis, we too were shocked 
>to see the nauseating scenes from films showing IDF soldiers supposedly 
>shooting small children. We believe everyone can take action [against the 
>film] in his own way, and this is our modest and symbolic way."
>
>
>The manager, Michal Shteg, said that "right now we have decided to stop 
>selling 'Istanbul Coffee,' our Turkish blend, and we will continue like this 
>until the situation improves."
>
>"True, this is not a boycott that will hurt Turkey financially, it is not 
>the boycott of IKEA  - but this is a cultural boycott and a patriotic act, 
>which expressed our lack of will to identify with those who act almost 
>anti-Semitically. Because before everything - we are Israelis first."
>
>Armenian genocide reminder
>The "Im Tirzu" student movement will hold a protest rally at 12:30 on Friday 
>opposite the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv. "Following the ugly anti-Semitic 
>incitement of the past few days by the official Turkish TV station and the 
>Turkish Prime Minister we will hold a performance to highlight the extent of 
>the Turkish government's hypocrisy and lies," the movement announced.
>
>"On the one hand," it explained, "the Turks continue to deny the holocaust 
>which they perpetrated against the Armenians between 1915 and 1918, and 
>[yet] at the same time they dare to spread blood libels and lies about the 
>State of Israel and the IDF."
>
>The display will include photos from the Armenian genocide. Books about the 
>genocide will be handed out to passersby and signs will be carried, calling 
>on the Turks to take responsibility for the genocide they perpetrated

Notice the usual Israeli "change of subject" approach when confronted
with IDF crimes. They managed to transform the topic from Israeli
misdeeds today to Turkish misdeeds of a century ago.


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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:48:23 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Oct 18, 6:02 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> It all boils down to the OPINION of the various political partisans.
>> Lots of people have been called Nazis, especially by idiots such as
>> george, merely because the people didn't buy into the prejudices of
>> the name-caller.
>
>No.
>You are a nazi.

No, you are a clueless jackass.

>You hold to opinions that led to the murder of innocent civilians
>whose only crime was to be a target race for the unthinking hatred of
>the nazi regime.

Bullshit

>Or to have been ordinary Germans who objected to the insanity of the
>third Reich and subsequently paid the price.

There were a few.

>You represent an evil regime.whose time is long over.

I wasn't even born until after the regime was finished.

>And all this denial and weaseling you do does not subtract one iota
>from that fact.

You have no "facts" george, and you have never had any.



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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:49:30 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:sA7Cm.45729$Ca6.41309@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 10/15/2009 8:05 PM, Topaz wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:30:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In other words, you can not deal with the facts of the history.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly surprising..
>>>>
>>> You have your head up your aft end, figuratively speaking. Why do you
>>> think Hitler didn't want the German army to win in Russia?
>>
>> Who said that?
>
>He can't tell the difference between -
>
>a) demanding the armies win and
>
>b) preventing them from doing so, and then abandoning them when they 
>predictably failed.

Patrick, do return to the real world. The USSR had three times the
population of Germany, so victory for Germany was a long shot at best.
The German pre-emptive strike was an act of desperation motivated by
information about a pending Soviet invasion by July.


>
>And of course, it couldn't possibly the fault of the supreme commander, who 
>chose to do b).
>
>
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org 
>

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