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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:36:45 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 29, 6:05 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:24:05 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jul 28, 11:11 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >> ROTFLMAO
>>
>> >> Are you really as mindlessly stupid as you sound?
>>
>> >> You are totally funny as in ridiculous as opposed to funny as in
>> >> humourous.
>>
>> >Evasion noted....
>>
>> There was no evasion. You might try reading a book or two about
>> Rickets rather than babbling on incoherently as you tend to do.
>
>You have as much access to the Google search engine as I have!
>You haven't looked up Rickets otherwise you'd know that sunshine
>produces vitamin D in the body.

Of course sunlight produces vitamin D, provided that your body has an
adequate nutritional base. Millions of German children did not have an
adequate nutritional base thanks to deliberate chicanery by the
allies, Americans included.

>It has little to do with reduced food intake as claimed by the
>neonazi.
>His (and your) claims that the Allies deliberately starved the German
>nation is wrong.
>Had it not been for the Allies feeding and providing fuel, (coal,coke,
>petrol and oil) for German civilians after the surrender hundreds of
>thousands would have died.
>
>
>And your evasion is noted


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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>From 29 September 1939 Britain underwent rationing that lasted until
>1954.
>Germanys rationing went from September 1939 to 1949...

That was Ludwig Erhardt going on his own authority. He made the
announcement that henceforth the Deutsche Mark was your only rationing
card without allied approval, but that was in 1949 by which time the
western allies had a new enemy after the falling-out-among-thieves
with their Stalinist buddies the Soviets.

>So much for the 'starving' Germans.

Prosperity started to return in 1949 after control was taken away from
the endlessly inept Allied Occupation Authority and returned to German
authorities. The Allied Occupation Authority was by far the most
inept, corrupt and evil  governing regime in Germany in the two
millennia separating the defeat of the Roman field marshal Varus by
Prince Armin in AD9 and today, 29-Jul-2009. D.W. Eisenhower was the
most singular political appointment since the Roman Emperor Caligula
made his horse into a Consul. A horse would probably have done a more
competent job than Eisenhower.

>How about the starving British ?

British ineptitude is hardly the responsibility of Germany or its
authorities.



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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:21:53 +0200, Paulinus Theben
 wrote:

>*Truthseeker* :
>
>> I would talk to some real austrians if  i were you.
>> 
>Austrians arn't germans.

They have been German since the 9th century. When did that change?

The term "German" is not a political/geographical concept, but a
tribal concept. The people of Transylvania left Germany 850 years ago,
and most of them have never even been in Germany, but they are still
Germans and are entitled to instant citizenship should they decide to
move to Germany.



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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:45:00 -0700 (PDT), "Chris C. Larson"
 wrote:

>Holocaust Deniers deny the Holocaust. However, they spend a lot of
>their waking hours masturbating and drooling to repeated viewings of
>films and photographs from the Holocaust. The images of Jews being
>killed is a real treat for these folks. But they say it didn't happen.
>"Because all of the Jews lied and they paid off thousands of
>eyewitnesses to lie with them".

You're sick, Chris. Do get some psychiatric help if you can afford it
in the backward states of America.


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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:15:35 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 1:53 pm, I'll Always Be 29/07/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> > com>,
>>  Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>
>>
>>
>>   wrote:
>> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:36:45 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >On Jul 29, 6:05 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> > >wrote:
>> > >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:24:05 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> > >> >On Jul 28, 11:11 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> > >> >wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> ROTFLMAO
>>
>> > >> >> Are you really as mindlessly stupid as you sound?
>>
>> > >> >> You are totally funny as in ridiculous as opposed to funny as in
>> > >> >> humourous.
>>
>> > >> >Evasion noted....
>>
>> > >> There was no evasion. You might try reading a book or two about
>> > >> Rickets rather than babbling on incoherently as you tend to do.
>>
>> > >You have as much access to the Google search engine as I have!
>> > >You haven't looked up Rickets otherwise you'd know that sunshine
>> > >produces vitamin D in the body.
>>
>> > Of course sunlight produces vitamin D, provided that your body has an
>> > adequate nutritional base. Millions of German children did not have an
>> > adequate nutritional base thanks to deliberate chicanery by the
>> > allies, Americans included.
>>
>> Yet the British were subject to
>> rationing for more years than the
>> germans and the incidence of rickets is
>> nil. Explain that?

It is unlikely that the incidence of Rickets in the UK was zero in the
postwar period since it wasn't zero during the prewar period. The UK
has generally had a higher incidence of this disease than Germany,
except for 1946, 1947, and 1948. That is why it was usually called
"The English disease" in Germany.

There is nothing to explain about statistics that you just
manufactured out of thin air.

>>
>Its just going to either change the subject or waffle.
>Which will it be?
>How bored will we be waiting for it to make sense ?


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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:38:21 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 8:15 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> >How about the starving British ?
>>
>> British ineptitude is hardly the responsibility of Germany or its
>> authorities.
>
>Had Britain not fed Germany they wouldn't have needed rationing for so
>long.

LOL

Dream on, George.

>
>You took the food out of the humanitarians mouths.

You really ought to try your hand at stand-up comedian.

>
>Fortunately those who came after your nazi masters have made Germany a
>country worthy of its place in the world.

There have been no Nazis in MY lifetime. Either you're extremely old
or you're living in a time-warp. Germany has been a prosperous and
worthy country for millennia. It hardly needs validation from bandits
and cut-throats such as yourself and your allied minions.

>
>Now, back to the subject of this thread. Where is the "Krege report"?
>The 'survey' was undertaken in 1999. Ten years have passed and no
>report.

I didn't introduce the subject of the Krege report, so I don't give a
flying shit where it is. The point is that you oppose all scientific
research into the holocaust industry claims for the same reason that
Creationists resist scientific research into their claims.

>Why?
>Did the big nazi dog eat his homework?

You have a political dog? Dogs don't usually live seventy years, which
would have to be its minimum age to have been a Nazi.


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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:09:25 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Lets not forget the British did not want the marshal plan the reason for 
>this was they did not want to be more dependent about American help as was 
>necessary.

American thefts in Germany amounted to many times the Marshal Plan
help for ALL of Europe. Germany received only a small portion of the
Marshal assistance. It was not quite enough to cover the costs of the
allied occupation with which Germany had been burdened, so all they
got out of it was an almost-free occupation, not taking into account
the orgy of allied thievery.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:pv8175t98p5bkku272khv0dmlqta4d3o4l@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>From 29 September 1939 Britain underwent rationing that lasted until
>>>1954.
>>>Germanys rationing went from September 1939 to 1949...
>>
>> That was Ludwig Erhardt going on his own authority. He made the
>> announcement that henceforth the Deutsche Mark was your only rationing
>> card without allied approval, but that was in 1949 by which time the
>> western allies had a new enemy after the falling-out-among-thieves
>> with their Stalinist buddies the Soviets.
>>
>>>So much for the 'starving' Germans.
>>
>> Prosperity started to return in 1949 after control was taken away from
>> the endlessly inept Allied Occupation Authority and returned to German
>> authorities. The Allied Occupation Authority was by far the most
>> inept, corrupt and evil  governing regime in Germany in the two
>> millennia separating the defeat of the Roman field marshal Varus by
>> Prince Armin in AD9 and today, 29-Jul-2009. D.W. Eisenhower was the
>> most singular political appointment since the Roman Emperor Caligula
>> made his horse into a Consul. A horse would probably have done a more
>> competent job than Eisenhower.
>>
>>>How about the starving British ?
>>
>> British ineptitude is hardly the responsibility of Germany or its
>> authorities.
>> 
>


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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:23:06 +1000, "Jason James"  wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:eneu655efbd9ruho3d95hdkggc3npua5br@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:47:31 +1000, "Jason James"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:j2cs651hpe87nmndkok29lt0lo6iajameh@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:54:33 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I would talk to some real austrians if  i were you.
>>>>
>>>> Benito is out to lunch on his German history. How am I supposed to
>>>> take these ignorant goons seriously when they talk about something
>>>> else with which I might be less familiar than I am with Germany?
>>>>
>>>> That is a big part of my problem with mcvay and mcfee. Both have
>>>> written page after page after tedious page of nonsense about Germany
>>>> and then I'm supposed to believe their holocaust statements without
>>>> question. The most probable circumstance is that their holocaust stuff
>>>> is of the same low quality as their statements about German history, a
>>>> topic about which they know and understand almost nothing.
>>>
>>>Yeah,..German history during last century, is really hard to 
>>>follow,..Birk!
>>
>> There is history and there is allied propaganda. They do not
>> necessarily coincide.
>
>Do you think the allies had to make stuff up to justify their European 
>conquest? Get real.

They needed to justify the huge casualty lists to their own people, so
lies are the only way to go. Both WW1 and WW2 were totally unnecessary
other than to achieve American world domination.

>
>Jason 
>


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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:42:54 +0200, Paulinus Theben
 wrote:

>*Johannes von Ebersdorf* :
>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:21:53 +0200, Paulinus Theben
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>*Truthseeker* :
>>>
>>>> I would talk to some real austrians if  i were you.
>>>> 
>>>Austrians arn't germans.
>> 
>> They have been German since the 9th century. When did that change?
>
>When I'm visiting Krakow, i feel at home,

By all means stay there then.

> the same people, the same
>menality, only the language is different.
>In Frankfurt i'm feeling strange,

Don't go there if civilization makes you uncomfortable. I'm sure that
the locals will get over the disappointment of not being subjected to
your company.


> the same language, but the people are
>different.
>
>Austrian managers are very successfull in the east, the germans have a lot
>of problems there, because the cann't understand the people.


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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 28, 3:59 pm, I'll Always Be 28/07/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> ,
>>  "Truthseeker" 
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>> >news:iVGbm.38532$PH1.29418@edtnps82...
>> >  Hey Kenny why would the Germans send thousand of Jews to Germany to kill
>> > them
>> > there. To me this sounds like false economics.
>>
>> Slavery is false economics...why did the
>> germans practice slavery?
>>
>
>Why are you a slave?  I'm a slave because they've got guns.  What's
>your excuse?

Idiot-boy "I'll always be" likes to forget that the USA is the only
country in modern times to have slavery as a legal institution. In
addition, the less-than-pure allies used millions of German people as
slave labour after WW2 in direct contradiction to all their hollow
preaching.

>
>>
>>
>> >  KK
>>
>> > > "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>> > >news:KfqdnalOB9zRQfPXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> > >>   ------------------------------------------------------------pg 05--
>> > >>   III. THE TORTURES AND BLOODY REPRISALS
>> > >>   PRACTISED IN THE EXTERMINATION CAMP
>>
>> > >>           The regime in the "Extermination Camp" served the object of
>> > >>   accomplishing tho wholesale extermination of the prisoners.
>> > >>           The prisoners dragged out a miserable existence of starvation.
>> > >> The
>> > >>   ordinary daily ration of a prisoner consisted of one issue per day of
>> > >>   coffee made of roasted turnips, two issues per day of soup made of
>> > >> grass,
>> > >>   and from one hundred and eighty to two hundred and seventy grams of
>> > >> bread,
>> > >>   half adulterated with sawdust or chestnut flour. This led to the
>> > >> complete
>> > >>   exhaustion of the prisoners, to the spread of tuberculosis amd other
>> > >>   diseases and the wholesale dying out of the prisoners. For the
>> > >> slightest
>> > >>   "offence" the prisoners were deprived of even this meagre food for
>> > >> several
>> > >>   days at a stretch, which practically doomed them to death from
>> > >> starvation.
>> > >>           Tomasek, a Czech and a former prisoner of the camp, stated
>> > >> before
>> > >>   the Commission:
>> > >>           "The people starved all the time. The wholesale exhaustion of
>> > >> the
>> > >>   prisoners and death from exbaustion were observed. The prisoners ate
>> > >> offal,
>> > >>   cats and dogs. Most of the prisoners looked like walking skeletons
>> > >> covered
>> > >>   with skin, or were unaturally bloated due to swelling resulting from
>> > >>   starvation."
>> > >>           Corporal Reznik of the Polish Army and former prisoner of the
>> > >> camp
>> > >>   stated:
>> > >>           "I noticed that the Russian prisoners of war were hardly fed at
>> > >>   all. They were reduced to an extreme state of exhaustion. Their bodies
>> > >>   swelled, and they were not even able to talk. They died in large
>> > >> numbers."
>> > >>           Starvation was one of the important elements of the general
>> > >> system
>> > >>   of extermination that prevailed in the camp.
>> > >>           The working day started at 4 a.m. The Germans burst into the
>> > >>   barracks aud roused the people with whips. The roll was called, at
>> > >> which
>> > >>   all, sound and sick alike, had to be present. Those who had died in the
>> > >>   night had to be taken out to the
>> > >>   ------------------------------------------------------------pg 06--
>> > >>   barrack square by those who had slept next to them to be checked. The
>> > >>   roll-call lasted two hours and more, and was accompanied by the beating
>> > >> and
>> > >>   tormenting of the prisoners. If a prisoner swooned and was unable to
>> > >> answer
>> > >>   when his name was called, he was registered as dead and killed with
>> > >> clubs.
>> > >>           At s a.m. the prisoners were taken out to work. The work was
>> > >>   exceptionally heavy and exhausting. It was accompanied by severe
>> > >> beating,
>> > >>   torment and murder. The gangs of prisouers returning for their
>> > >> so-called
>> > >>   dinner at 11 a.m., carried with them their fellow-prisoners who had
>> > >> been
>> > >>   beaten, mutilated or killed. During the evening roll-call the SS men on
>> > >>   duty read the names of those prisoners who had worked "badly," and
>> > >> these
>> > >>   were tied to a form and flogged with whips, rods or birches. The number
>> > >> of
>> > >>   strokes inflicted ranged from twenty five and over. Often, prisoners
>> > >> were
>> > >>   flogged to death.
>> > >>           Zelent, Docent of the Warsaw University, formerly a prisoner of
>> > >> the
>> > >>   camp, stated:
>> > >>           "I knew Barrister Nosek, from Radom, who was given one hundred
>> > >>   strokes, from which he died three days later."
>> > >>           In the case of intellectuals and prominent persons among the
>> > >>   prisoners, particularly refined methods of torture were adopted. The
>> > >>   Germans compelled Proffesorr Michalowicz, age seventy-two, the famous
>> > >>   expert on infantile diseases, Professor Pomirowski, age sixty, of the
>> > >>   Warsaw Politechnical Institute, Wazowicz, age seventy-five, a member of
>> > >> the
>> > >>   Polish Supreme Court, and many others, to perform the most arduous
>> > >> work,
>> > >>   and tormented them in every possible way.
>> > >>           Tadeusz Budzyn, M. Sc. Chem., a Pole, and formerly a prisoner
>> > >> at
>> > >>   the camp stated:
>> > >>           "The Germans compelled a large group of professors, physicians,
>> > >>   engineers and other specialists, numbering one thousand two huudred in
>> > >> all,
>> > >>   who came from Greece, to carry heavy stones from one place to another,
>> > >> a
>> > >>   task which was far beyond their strength. The scientists who dropped
>> > >> from
>> > >>   exhaustion as a result of this heavy labour were beaten
>> > >>   ------------------------------------------------------------pg 07--
>> > >>   to death by thc SS men. Owing to the system of starvation, exhausting
>> > >>   labour, beating and murder, the entire group of Greek scientists was
>> > >>   exterminated in the course of five weeks."
>> > >>           The methods of torturing and tormenting prisoners varied to an
>> > >>   extraordiuary degree. Many of them bore the character of alleged
>> > >> "jokes,"
>> > >>   which very often ended in the death of the prisoners upon whom they
>> > >> were
>> > >>   played. Among these may be cited the mock shooting of a prisoner while
>> > >>   simultaneously stunning him by a blow on the head with a plank or other
>> > >>   blunt instrument, and the mock drowning of prisoners in the pool at the
>> > >>   camp, which often ended in thc actual drowning of the victims.
>> > >>           Among the German butchers in the camp some specialized in
>> > >>   particular methods of torture and murder. They killed their victims by
>> > >>   striking them with a club across the back of the neck, kicking them in
>> > >> the
>> > >>   stomach or in the groin, etc,
>> > >>           The SS torturers drowned their victims in the filthy water that
>> > >>   flowed from the bathhouse into a shallow ditch. The victim's head was
>> > >>   forced into this filthy water and kept there with the jackboot of the
>> > >> SS
>> > >>   man until he expired.
>> > >>           The favourite method of the Hitlerite SS men was to hang their
>> > >>   victims by their arms, which were tied behind their backs. Le-du
>> > >> Corantin,
>> > >>   a Frenchman, who had suffered this form of punishment, stated that when
>> > >>   thus suspended the victim soon lost consciousness. When that happencd
>> > >> the
>> > >>   victim was lowered, but was hung up again as soon us he recovered
>> > >>   consciousness. This was repeatcd over and over again.
>> > >>           For the slightest offence, especially on suspicion of
>> > >> attempting to
>> > >>   escape, the German fiends hanged prisoners in the camp. In the middle
>> > >> of
>> > >>   every field there was a post with a cross-tree fixed to it about two
>> > >> metres
>> > >>   high on which people were hanged.
>> > >>           "From my barrack," said the witness Domashev, a Soviet prisoner
>> > >> of
>> > >>   war who was confined in this camp, "I saw people hanged on this post in
>> > >> the
>> > >>   middle of the field."
>> > >>    ------------------------------------------------------------pg 08--
>> > >>           Near the laundry, in the space between fields No. 1 and No. 2,
>> > >>   there was a special barrack with beams stretching from one end to
>> > >> another,
>> > >>   from which people were hanged in whole groups.
>> > >>           Female prisoners in the camp were subjected to no less torment
>> > >> and
>> > >>   torture: the same methods of roll-call, exhausting labour, beating and
>> > >>   torment. The chief woman overseer Erich, of the SS, and the women
>> > >> overseers
>> > >>   Braunstein, Anni Devid, Weber, Knobliek, Ellert and Redli, were
>> > >>   distinguished for their cruelty.
>> > >>           The commission has established numerous cases of absolutely
>> > >>   unprecedented cruelties on the part of the German fiends in the camp.
>> > >> At
>> > >>   a plenary session of the Commission, the German Kampfpolizist, Heinz
>> > >> Stalbe
>> > >>   stated that he saw the chief of the crematorium, Oberscharfuhrer
>> > >> Munsfeld,
>> > >>   tie a Polish womam hand and foot and throw her alive into the furnace.
>> > >>           Witnesses Jelinski and Olech, who were employed in the camp,
>> > >> also
>> > >>   testified to the burning of people alive in the crematorium
>> > >> furnaces.."A
>> > >>   child was torn from a mother's breast and before her eyes was dashed
>> > >>   against the wall of the barrack and killed," stated the witness
>> > >> Atrokhov.
>> > >>   The witness Edward Baran stated:
>> > >>           "I myself saw little children torn away from their mothers and
>> > >>   killed before their eyes: the child was held by one leg, the other was
>> > >> kept
>> > >>   down by the foot and the child was thus torn in two."
>> > >>           The Deputy Chief of the camp, Obersturmfuhrer SS, Tumann, was
>> > >>   notorious for his exceptional sadism. He forced groups of prisoners to
>> > >>   stand in a row on thier knees and killed them by striking them on the
>> > >> head
>> > >>   with a club; he set police dogs on the prisoners; he took a most active
>> > >>   part in all the punishments and killing of prisoners.
>> > >>           Thus, starvation, exhausting labour, torment, torture and
>> > >> murder,
>> > >>   accompanied by unprecedented sadism, were resorted to in the wholesale
>> > >>   slaughter of prisoners in this camp.
>>
>> > >> --
>> > >> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> > >> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of...
>>
>> read more »


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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:17:14 -0700 (PDT), StarDust 
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 4:00 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>    V. ASPHYXIATION BY GAS
>>
>>      One of the most widespread methods of exterminating people resorted to in
>>    the Majdanck Camp was asphyxiation by gas.
>>            The Committee of Technical and Chemical Experts under the
>>    Chairmanship of Kelles-Krause, Engineer-Architect of the City of Lublin,
>>    and consisting of Engineer Major
>
>When the Majdanek death camp was liberated on July 23, 1944, the
>Soviet Union at first announced to the world that 1.7 million people
>had been murdered? there by the Nazis. By the time that the Nuremberg
>International Military Tribunal proceedings against the Nazi war
>criminals began in November 1945, the Soviets had revised this number
>down to 1.5 million.
>In December 2005, the Majdanek Museum announced that Lublin scholar
>Tomasz Kranz has established that the Nazis murdered 78,000
>
>Immediately after the liberation of Majdanek, the Illustrated London
>News published photographs of the camp, saying that this was
>"irrefutable proof of the organized murder? of between 600,000 and
>1,000,000 helpless persons at the Majdanek Camp near Lublin." The same
>newspaper also stated that "Prisoners too ill to walk into the camp
>were dragged alive to the furnaces and thrust in alongside the dead."
>
>
The British are master propagandists. There are still nitwits running
around today who believe that Germans are somehow related to Huns
because of the relentless British propaganda.


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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:36:52 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 31, 6:36 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> There have been no Nazis in MY lifetime. Either you're extremely old
>> or you're living in a time-warp. Germany has been a prosperous and
>> worthy country for millennia. It hardly needs validation from bandits
>> and cut-throats such as yourself and your allied minions.
>
>I don't know why you have to lie but I suppose its in the nature of
>the beast.
>A Google search brings up such sites as http://www.americannaziparty.com/
>
>So you lied again.

What are you babbling about, or do you even know? I have little
interest in Americans, fascist or otherwise. Those are American
problems and have nothing to do with Germany.

>
>
>> >Now, back to the subject of this thread. Where is the "Krege report"?
>> >The 'survey' was undertaken in 1999. Ten years have passed and no
>> >report.
>>
>> I didn't introduce the subject of the Krege report, so I don't give a
>> flying shit where it is. The point is that you oppose all scientific
>> research into the holocaust industry claims for the same reason that
>> Creationists resist scientific research into their claims.
>>
>
> You probably haven't looked at the title of this thread so I'll
>remind you that it is about the supposed GPR survey of a nazi death
>camp.
>
>I want to know (as do others) as to where this 'report' is.
>Surely as a nazi supporter you would be aware of the existence of such
>a report and be only to happy to point us toward its location.
>Unless of course its just another denial tactic to have scholars
>wasting their time searching for nonexsistent documentation...


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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 31, 6:36 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:09:25 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>
>> American thefts in Germany amounted to many times the Marshal Plan
>> help for ALL of Europe. Germany received only a small portion of the
>> Marshal assistance. It was not quite enough to cover the costs of the
>> allied occupation with which Germany had been burdened, so all they
>> got out of it was an almost-free occupation, not taking into account
>> the orgy of allied thievery.
>>
>
>Well well!
>Germany could have solved the problems that you claim she had -after-
>the WW2 by not having begun the same war.

Who began what is highly debatable. Your propaganda judgments are not
quite in the realm of fact.

>If the Allies hadn't fed, clothed and supported the West German
>population after the war hundreds of thousands would have died in the
>west.

Millions died due to malnutrition, disease, and outright allied
criminality, and not just in eastern and central Germany.

>
>You should look up some of the history of East Germany.

What about central Germany? There is nothing unusual about its
history, other than suffering through the allied occupation.

>The Russians were exacting revenge for the carnage they had suffered
>under the nazi invasion.

The Russians have been barbarous cut-throats and thieves for
centuries. Their behaviour in Germany was exactly par-for-the-course
and is what everybody expected in the event that they should make it
that far.

>
>Germans accusing the West of thievery ? Have they given back all that
>Jewish property the nazis stole when they murdered its owners ?

There were only a handful of Jews in Germany. They were not all
wealthy nor did they all die. Many of the restitution claims were
bogus, but the German authorities were afraid to challenge them for
fear of running afoul of allied officials.


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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:39:59 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Get real guy how many wars did Americans instigate or fabricate. And now 
>with their Jewish brethrens we can even expect more. For months on end we 
>are listening to the American rhetoric against Iran. But the again wars cost 
>money. Is it not in the Americans and Jewish interest to create a turmoil in 
>Iran to support their interests after the election. Also take inventory how 
>many wars has bee involved or instigated since 1910.

The USA is unique in being the most warlike country in human history,
having been involved in military altercations against one or more
opponents every year of its existence. The UK, which held the previous
world record for wars, has been relegated to the sidelines by this new
blood-bespattered monstrosity.

There is nothing benign or peace-loving about the USA. 


>
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"George"  wrote in message 
>news:f316f946-791f-4bdf-a110-09c4be0c4b28@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 31, 6:36 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:09:25 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>
>> American thefts in Germany amounted to many times the Marshal Plan
>> help for ALL of Europe. Germany received only a small portion of the
>> Marshal assistance. It was not quite enough to cover the costs of the
>> allied occupation with which Germany had been burdened, so all they
>> got out of it was an almost-free occupation, not taking into account
>> the orgy of allied thievery.
>>
>
>Well well!
>Germany could have solved the problems that you claim she had -after-
>the WW2 by not having begun the same war.
>If the Allies hadn't fed, clothed and supported the West German
>population after the war hundreds of thousands would have died in the
>west.
>
>You should look up some of the history of East Germany.
>The Russians were exacting revenge for the carnage they had suffered
>under the nazi invasion.
>
>Germans accusing the West of thievery ? Have they given back all that
>Jewish property the nazis stole when they murdered its owners ? 
>


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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:03:43 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"TallHenry"  schreef in bericht 
>news:h4pqnk$91d$1@pcls4.std.com...
>> In article <86bs65tf0r7mtvtpbfm5n6e37s50t5f5es@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> Are you dyslexic, mirjam,
>>
>>      Are you an ugly dwarf and a retired Canadian schoolteacher,
>> Skaliks?  Still wearing that earring,  by the way?
>> what is wrong with wearing an earring, dickhead 

They are still babbling incoherently. I don't wear earrings and I'm
certainly not a dwarf, ugly or otherwise. In any case, there is
nothing wrong with wearing earrings except in the demented opinions of
religious crackpots like TallHenry, who is probably a sock-puppet of
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 1, 3:46 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:36:52 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jul 31, 6:36 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >> There have been no Nazis in MY lifetime. Either you're extremely old
>> >> or you're living in a time-warp. Germany has been a prosperous and
>> >> worthy country for millennia. It hardly needs validation from bandits
>> >> and cut-throats such as yourself and your allied minions.
>>
>> >I don't know why you have to lie but I suppose its in the nature of
>> >the beast.
>> >A Google search brings up such sites ashttp://www.americannaziparty.com/
>>
>> >So you lied again.
>>
>> What are you babbling about, or do you even know? I have little
>> interest in Americans, fascist or otherwise. Those are American
>> problems and have nothing to do with Germany.
>
>http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4073394,00.html
>
>When you try to lie you're going to get caught out.
>The above link is to the shutting down of nazi based music in
>Germany...

I never click on gratuitous links. It is an easy way to get a virus on
your computer, especially when one is dealing with rather unpleasant
people.

I have no need to lie and consequently I don't. What did I supposedly
lie about in your little mind?



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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:02:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:dulp65dbu2fob6tda0ed413lnt1fpucb29@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:05:27 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 25, 2:41 pm, Gord McFee  wrote:
>>>> On 7/24/2009 3:51 PM, Gord McFee wrote:
>>>
>>>> > (Watch him run, folks)
>>>>
>>>> And run he did.
>>>>
>>>Since the 'examination' was done in 1999 you'd think that the report
>>>would have been published within a year of that date instead of still
>>>awaiting publication 10 years later.
>>>
>> A lot of the researchers into the heliocentric model of the solar
>> system waited for years to publish, often after their deaths, so the
>> religious powers of the day wouldn't be able to burn them at the
>> stake.
>
>Well, it's a good thing then that those days are long gone.
>
>And, in this case, there are several governments who would be shovelling 
>money at Mr. Krege for his "report", if it existed.
>
>These governments would find immediate and effective use of the"report" as a 
>foreign policy tool.   For example, it would immediately bestow genuine 
>credibility on the Tehran "revisionist conference".
>
>But for these governments to be interested, the work has to not only exist, 
>but not be utterly, laughably, and demonstrably wrong.
>
>And in the first place, it has to exist.   And there isn't even any evidence 
>that "Mr. Krege" left his own country, let alone went to Poland.
>
>> Anybody who has published anything that is at variance with the claims
>> of the holocaust industry has had their careers ruined or have been
>> packed off to prison by kangaroo courts acting on behalf of the
>> holocaust industry.
>
>If Mr. Krege acutally had done the work that's claimed AND actually had the 
>data that others claim he has,  there would be no legal problems.  He would 
>be publishing testable, reproducible scientific results, not opinion.   And 
>funds would not be an issue.
>
>But that's apparently not what he has, which is why his report doesn't 
>exist.
>
>> It would be wise for any researcher into any of
>> these topics
>
>But Mr. Krege's "research" was allegedly only into soil conditions at a 
>specific site using a GPR unit.   That's pretty safe if you can support your 
>claims.
>
>However, when conducting research of this type, it's wise for any researcher 
>to have an expert to review the use of the system and the results.
>
>Mr. Krege is not an expert in either of these topics,  didn't have one on 
>hand, and didn't apparently even know one, as is emphasised by Krege's later 
>contact with another non-expert for advice on how to proceed  (see earlier 
>posts).
>
>> to exercise extreme caution if only to avoid
>
>Caution should be exercised, if only to avoid the effects of making claims 
>about results from data that hasn't been properly evaluated.
>
>Making claims about the meaning of un-evaluated data is, to use your term, 
>unwise.
>
>> the fate of
>> Galileo at the hands of the Roman Church whose role as the enforcer of
>> superstition
>
>This has nothing to do with superstition.   Either Mr. Krege used a GPR unit 
>and has data to support the claims made, or he didn't and doesn't.
>
>This is purely a scientific matter - one that could make Mr. Krege a wealthy 
>man.
>
>> has been taken over by the holocaust industry.
>
>Mr. Krege would be a wealthy man with very powerful protectors if he 
>actually had the materials that some people - Holocaust deniers and 
>"revisionists" - claim he has.
>
>There isn't any rational or fact-based reason to think that the reason that 
>the "Krege report" hasn't been published is anything other than that Mr. 
>Krege realized that he doesn't have data that supports his initial claims.
>
>There is no "Krege report", and it's not likely that there ever will be. 
>The reason is almost certainly that Krege's results, if they exist and are 
>even valid, don't support the claims made about them.
>
>What this topic shows us is that some Holocaust deniers and "revisionists" 
>don't hesitate to promote non-existent materials while at the same time 
>clamoring for "forensic testing".  It shows us that truth is not what these 
>people are interested in.
>
>Hope this helps.
>

It didn't help, since my comments were not aimed at Krege, so your
reply totally missed the point. My comments stand without any
reference to Krege and his report or lack of it.

>-pk 


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On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:29:21 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 2, 4:40 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> I never click on gratuitous links. It is an easy way to get a virus on
>> your computer, especially when one is dealing with rather unpleasant
>> people.
>
>Riiiiight.
>
>
>> I have no need to lie and consequently I don't. What did I supposedly
>> lie about in your little mind?
>
>'There have been no Nazis in MY lifetime. Either you're extremely old
>or you're living in a time-warp.'  was your claim.
>That is a lie. The German newspapers prove you wrong.
>
German newspapers, and a few others, babble about neo-Nazis to tar
whomever has opinions they don't like, much like your bunch George,
but the fact remains that the National Socialist movement did not
survive the events of 1945, so there are no more Nazis. There may be
American imitations and spin-offs, but there are no real ones.

The whole concept of shouting Nazi at all and sundry is rather foolish
anyway. I suspect that the real item and your propaganda creation may
be two very different things. There were approximately ten million
members of the NS party in Germany, and they were not all nasty
people, the way your propaganda and name-calling would suggest.

The American "Nazis" are as extreme as anything American since they
are modelled after the American propaganda picture of Nazis rather
than after the NS movement in Germany. Any resemblance between the two
groups is likely to be entirely accidental. The same thing is true in
Israel. The most extreme and vicious Zionists, like the founder of the
Kach movement, tend to be of American origin. Anything American is
automatically the biggest and most extreme of any concept they have
emulated. Most of the extremist racist literature that is distributed
in Germany comes from Omaha, Nebraska. Americans are the ultimate in
racist extremist vulgarity.



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On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:58:56 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>And perhaps you didn't notice when you wrote it, but your response refers 
>directly to Krege's refusal to publish in your attempt to draw parallels 
>with pre-Enlightenment authors who refused to publish, so your denial of 
>your words really doesn't stand up.

Nonsense


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On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:14:06 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Topaz"  wrote in message 
>news:ippb75taq6v5veojeqqiud0od80heaee9m@4ax.com...
>> by James Buchanan
>>
>> Let's say the Germans merely removed the Jews from positions of
>> political power and banned them from the legal profession.
>
>Except of course that isn't what the National Socialists did.
>
>They disenfranchised them, stole their property, extorted their funds, 
>denied them freedom to leave,

How does your model account for the fact that 300,000 of the 500,000
Jews resident in Germany in 1930 had left by 1938? Clearly they WERE
allowed to leave, and they were even able to liquidate their property
and take the funds with them.

> imprisoned them, forced them to work as 
>slaves, and ultimately killed many of them.
>
>Just because of an accident of birth.
>
>I suppose that you will never be able to accept the reality of the crimes 
>your heroes committed.
>
>-pk
>


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On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:12:22 -0700, " Kayid Al-Kuffar"
 wrote:

>The future belongs to Islam

I would hope that the future doesn't belong to any brand of religious
superstition and crackpottery. Religion is simply bad news.

>
>All praise is due to Allaah. May His peace and blessings be upon Prophet 
>Muhammad, his household and companions.
>
>Brothers in faith! Be dutiful to Allaah, for that is the best provision and 
>the surest way to salvation on the Day of Resurrection.
>
>Fellow Muslims! Things turn upside-down when those who follow destructive 
>and erroneous sects and beliefs falsely assume that theirs is the true faith 
>and that the good ending and the future belongs exclusively to them. 
>However, the fact that men of reason and understanding do not dispute, is 
>that the future belongs to the religion of Islam; that it shall prevail over 
>all other beliefs, for it is the only true religion that Allaah has 
>perfected for His slaves, with which He has completed His favor upon them 
>and which He has chosen for them as religion. He Says (what means):
>
>“This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon 
>you and have approved for you Islam as your religion.”  [Quran 5:3]
>
>
>No wonder then dear brothers, that Islam enjoys such a distinguished 
>position. This is because it is a religion that is full of innumerable 
>qualities.
>
>The future belongs to Islam, for it is the religion with which Allaah raised 
>the status of man and honored him. He informed us in His Speech, which is 
>the most-truthful of all speech, that He created man with His two Hands, 
>breathed of His soul in him and made the angels prostrate before him. He 
>honored man by subjecting him to His worship Alone, for there is no deity 
>worthy of worship except Him, glorified are His Names and Attributes. He 
>honored him by subjecting all that is in heavens and earth to him and gave 
>him innumerable other blessings.
>
>
>The future belongs to Islam, because it is the only religion whose message 
>is characterised by pure monotheism, which agrees with the laws of nature 
>and sound opinion. It is through Islam that Allaah made lawful for His 
>slaves all good and useful things and prohibited all filthy and harmful 
>matters. Removed from this Ummah (Muslims) are the heavy burden and fetters 
>that were upon those who came before them -- such as strictness in matters 
>of religion; for example, the imposition of self-killing as an atonement for 
>sin, cutting the part of the body used for committing an impure act, 
>purifying  a cloth by cutting off the place of filth with scissors, 
>compulsory implementation of the law of equity in murder cases (with no 
>option of paying blood money or pardon, whether the killing was intentional 
>or  accidental) and prohibition of taking war booty.
>
>
>All the above restrictions were removed by Allaah from this Ummah by His 
>Mercy. He Says (what means): “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered 
>Prophet, whom they find written [i.e. mentioned] in what they have of the 
>Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them 
>what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for 
>them the evil, and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were 
>upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and 
>followed the light which was sent down with him – it is those who will be 
>successful.” [Quran 7:157]
>
>
>The future belongs to Islam because in it, Allaah firmly laid the basis of a 
>sound social system that is well-established like a firm structure. He 
>established through Islam that unique society described by the Prophet , in 
>the most eloquent way thus: “The similitude of the believers in regard to 
>mutual love, affection and mutual-compassion is that of one body; when any 
>limb of it aches, the whole body shares the agony, sleeplessness and fever 
>that arises from it.” [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim]
>
>
>The future belongs to Islam because it is the religion by which Allaah 
>firmly fixed the principles of justice among His creatures -- Muslims and 
>non-Muslims; Arabs and non-Arabs; black and white; male and female; young 
>and old. He prescribed for each group its rights and duties -- a quality 
>that is non-existent in any of the man-made systems and ideologies that most 
>people follow and respect. These ideologies are full of deficiencies and are 
>restricted to a particular place and time or the personal or national 
>interests of those who formulated them.
>
>
>The future is for Islam, for it is the religion with which Allaah preserves 
>people’s lives, properties, honor and minds. He prohibits all killing of 
>life except for a just cause, forbids the defamation of a person’s honor, 
>disallows all that could affect the soundness of people’s minds such as 
>narcotics and intoxicants and forbids the usurpation of properties unjustly. 
>All this Allaah does through Islam, in order to protect the social structure 
>of this Ummah from disintegrating.
>
>
>There is no wonder then that a great and honorable future belongs to this 
>religion. No amount of deception from the enemies of Islam, or their 
>increasing assaults on the Muslims with their cavalry, infantry and wealth, 
>nor their oppression such as killing and expelling people from their 
>lands -- as the Jews do today, can weaken the firm bonds of this religion or 
>disrupt its structure. For, the future is for Islam and the Muslims Inshaa’ 
>Allaah and the victory belongs to Allaah and His Messenger ,  and to the 
>truthful and persevering Muslims -- those who  know with certainty that 
>victory comes with perseverance,  relief comes after sorrow and that with 
>every difficulty there is ease. Allaah Says (what means): “They want to 
>extinguish the light of Allaah with their mouths, but Allaah refuses except 
>to perfect His light, although the disbelievers hate it.” [Quran 9: 32].
>
>
>Brothers in faith! If this Ummah wishes to attain the promised victory and 
>be well-established on the land, it should truly practice Islam by giving 
>Allaah His right of worship with all sincerity and completely abstain from 
>associating anything with Him in acts of worship. It should implement His 
>Law and submit to His Judgment in all matters and be pleased with that. It 
>is then that the whole of humankind will have felicity -- and the 
>rightly-guided leadership will become that of Islam, the religion of Allaah, 
>the Omniscient, the All-Wise, the All-Knowing.
>
>http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=134496 
>


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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:05:55 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
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>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:4u8b7555o772aki3a6girhof78amm4m7a4@4ax.com...
>>>'There have been no Nazis in MY lifetime. Either you're extremely old
>>>or you're living in a time-warp.'  was your claim.
>>>That is a lie. The German newspapers prove you wrong.
>>>
>
>There were many natzis in West Germany during YOUR liftime, even in high 
>positions. One example is  Ferdinand Shcörner,  an SS-general and a 
>metamphetamine junkie known for his sadistic nature, who held memorial 
>rallies for his ex-officers and supporters till he finally died.

If the guy lived in "West" Germany, then he was at most a "former"
Nazi. You cannot be a member of an organization that doesn't exist,
and the NSDAP ceased to exist on 08-May-1945.

Besides, you are very much like the late unlamented Senator McCarthy
in the states who saw Communists and Homosexuals (In his little mind
they were identical) behind every door and under every bed. In your
case, it seems to be Nazis who are everywhere. Please spare me your
lunatic hullucinations.


>
>Topi
>


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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:50:35 +0200, ZuLu  wrote:

>someone-who-knows escribió:
>> In article <4a759b65@news.x-privat.org>, ZuLu   wrote:
>> 
>>> someone-who-knows escribió:
>> 
>>>>>   2.  Why did an SS officer complain that a cremation capacity of
>>>>>       2,650 corpses a day is not enough for one camp?  Can you
>>>>>       answer this simple question,  you pathetic nazi imbecile?
>> 
>>>> May I help the "zulu" critter?  Because they planned to kill many,
>>>> many,  many people.  Now that wasn't so hard,  was it? 
>> 
>>> Nope, SS wanted to beat the record of muffles installed detained by
>>> Mauthausen.  They were short.
>> 
>> Oh lookie everybody.  A little nazi is trying to be funny.
>
>Don't call me nazi, motherfucker.

They call everybody who challenges their nonsense a Nazi, proof
positive that they are full of shit.



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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:54:46 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:81ll75hct34rtq931dq3c5ou6aniovmfvk@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:05:55 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:4u8b7555o772aki3a6girhof78amm4m7a4@4ax.com...
>>>>>'There have been no Nazis in MY lifetime. Either you're extremely old
>>>>>or you're living in a time-warp.'  was your claim.
>>>>>That is a lie. The German newspapers prove you wrong.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>There were many natzis in West Germany during YOUR liftime, even in high
>>>positions. One example is  Ferdinand Shcörner,  an SS-general and a
>>>metamphetamine junkie known for his sadistic nature, who held memorial
>>>rallies for his ex-officers and supporters till he finally died.
>>
>> If the guy lived in "West" Germany, then he was at most a "former"
>> Nazi. You cannot be a member of an organization that doesn't exist,
>> and the NSDAP ceased to exist on 08-May-1945.
>>
>> Besides, you are very much like the late unlamented Senator McCarthy
>> in the states who saw Communists and Homosexuals (In his little mind
>> they were identical) behind every door and under every bed. In your
>> case, it seems to be Nazis who are everywhere. Please spare me your
>> lunatic hullucinations.
>>
>>
>
>That is just stupid and unhistorical.

Not at all, it is your drivel that is stupid and unhistorical. Seeing
Nazis behind every door and under every bed is YOUR problem, not mine.
Deal with it.

>
>I pity You
>
>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:49:22 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>Are you in some way impaired?

Not at all. 


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On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:26:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:brpt755qfnef9fq4tmuffk9fi3tin7scj8@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:49:22 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Are you in some way impaired?
>>
>> Not at all.
>
>Then how do you account for the fact that your words need to be explained to 
>you?

They don't. Your half-baked ideas are your problem, not mine.

>
>-pk 
>


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On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:09:49 -0700 (PDT), StarDust 
wrote:

>On Aug 9, 2:35 am, "www.vnnforum.com"  wrote:
>> Watch the thinking man's holocaust documentary today:
>>
>> The Alternative Tour of Auschwitz: An Independent Investigation of the
>> Holocaust:
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8424408632716421689
>>
>> www.adelaideinstitute.orgwww.ihr.orgwww.davidduke.comwww.judicial-inc.biz
>
>Count Coudenhove-Kalergi (1894-1972), Austrian Jew and founder and
>honorary president of the Pan-European Movement, wrote something very
>characteristically in one of his Books (Praktischer Idealismus, Vienna
>1925):
>
>    "The man of the future will be of mixed race. For Pan-Europe [that
>is united Europe] I want a European-Asiatic-Negroid mixed race. The
>leaders shall come from the Jews because a benevolent providence has
>with the Jews given Europe a new spiritual and intellectual noble
>race."

There is no Jewish race. Jews are an ethnic mixed bag that share a
religious superstition, but otherwise have nothing in common. The well
known inbreeding is among individual sub-groups of Judaism.
East-European Jews could be considered a tribe with a genetic
relationship to one another, but not Jews in general. Hitler's only
experience was with Jews from eastern Europe so he mistakenly
concluded that Jews constituted a race, the same as Count
Coudenhove-Kalegi.


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On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>
>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,

No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded those
of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz and all
without special measures such as the gas chambers that feature so
prominently in holocaust lore.

>  the guards were already 
>Americans, and so didn't lie about their activities to gain citizenship.
>
>That's the relevant difference between them and Mr. Schmidt.   He lied, he 
>got caught, he lost the things he gained through the lie.
>
>> KK
>>
>> "Jason James"  wrote in message 
>> news:4a7f7b9f$0$49161$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
>>>
>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>> news:TRKfm.40345$PH1.26612@edtnps82...
>>>> So he was a camp in a prison guard what crime did he commit. Were the 
>>>> Americans who did kill japans civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki war 
>>>> criminals or are they angels. Are Jews who kill Palestinians also war 
>>>> criminals or are they guardian angels.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> He was camp and into a prison guard!!? Steady,..Kurtius.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:59:05 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:08330ef6-4c0a-49a8-9118-01c7db0897e8@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 7, 5:03 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:7e08scF2dl79aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> > BERLIN (AFP)---The head of Germany's leading Jewish group called on
>> > Wednesday for an annotated version of Adolf Hitler's
>> > autobiography-cum-manifesto "Mein Kampf" to be republished despite a 
>> > ban.
>>
>> In reality, there is no "ban" on Mein Kampf.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Stephan Kramer, secretary general of the Central Council of Jews in
>> > Germany told ZDF television: "I think it makes sense and it is important
>> > to publish an edition of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" with an academic
>> > commentary."
>>
>> > Kramer added: "An academic and historically critical edition needs to be
>> > prepared today, to prevent neo-Nazis profiting from it."
>>
>> > "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle") has been banned in Germany since
>>
>> Since never.
>>
>> The reality is that the holder of the copyright has chosen to not 
>> republish
>> the book.
>>
>> This is not a ban, it is an expression of a basic property right.
>>
>> Existing copies of the book can be bought, sold, traded, read, burned,
>> folded, or used as toilet paper without any restrictions or penalties.
>>
>> There is no ban on the book, the copyright holder has the exclusive right 
>> to
>> print it or not.
>>
>> Clearly, neither you or the article's author or translator understand the
>> concept of copyright, or, apparently, property rights.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> -pk
>>
>> 
>
>Whoever heard of a smart Nazi????LOL!

They may not have been nice people, but the bulk of them would have
been much smarter than you.

>
>In addition the book is boring, and the author
>but a walking shadow, a poor player,
>That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
>And then is heard no more. It is a tale
>Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
>Signifying nothing.
>
>Topi
>


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On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:57:48 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Hey Kenneth there is something wrong here if Schmidt is now 69 how old was 
>he in 1945.

Poor feeble-minded Kenny is far too stupid to recognize such obvious
flaws in the story.

Kenny's only assignment is to believe, regardless how preposterous the
story.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:9Y6dnYp9Xo7pxOPXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@vex.net...
>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>
>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>
>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 [1994. ed.]  -- The Department of Justice
>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>> that he was legally deportable.
>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>> -30-
>> -- 
>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>
>> -- 
>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>> people did hang him after that"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:32:13 +1000, "Jason James"  wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:MYxfm.40285$PH1.6659@edtnps82...
>> Hey Kenneth there is something wrong here if Schmidt is now 69 how old was 
>> he in 1945.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>Duuuh! Try  reading the article again. How does 1994 sound in the first 
>couple of lines?

Wow, the guy was all of 19 years of age when the war ENDED. How
significant a role could he have played in anything?

>
>Jason
>
>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>> news:9Y6dnYp9Xo7pxOPXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@vex.net...
>>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>>
>>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>>
>>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 [1994. ed.]  -- The Department of Justice
>>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>>> that he was legally deportable.
>>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>>> -30-
>>> -- 
>>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>>> people did hang him after that"
>>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>>
>> 
>


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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:22:56 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The farmers around the camp where not allowed to bring food to the 
>prisoners. The prisoners slept in mud wholes and it was the shortage of food 
>that caused them to die.

Poor Kenny is so stupid that he has come to believe his own
fabrications. There isn't much point to discussing anything with that
jerk.

When relatives are threatened with summary execution for bringing food
to prisoners, something is definitely wrong, despite protestations to
the contrary by idiots such as mcvay.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:IaSdnSrEK7B4pR3XnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "Volksverhetzung" Cross and  wrote:
>>
>>>Get real read the book other loses. A friend of mine Richard Bolschneider
>>>was in IKS camp and he dolt me how the Americans picked up the death 
>>>bodies
>>>every morning. He even dolt me about how they collected the death bodies
>>>every morning. At on time they did pile up the death bodies and made a 
>>>movie
>>>out of it. At a latter date while in Canada he has seen the movie portrait
>>>as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>
>> What is a "death body?" Is it your claim that when an inmate dies
>> in a camp, the camp is a "death camp?"
>>
>> "Other Losses" has been thoroughly discredited by historians,
>> including the Bundeswehr's. You are knolling.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that there are Holocaust victims' shoes
>> with soles made of plastic, as you claimed on April 3, 2009. You
>> were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that the Yale University Law "Avalon Project"
>> is "Jewish," as you claimed in August, 2008.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> within the treaty.
>>
>> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
>> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
>> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
>> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
>> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> claimed.
>>
>> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> -- 
>> "The Nizkor website (secretly financed by the ADL and other Jewish front
>> organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
>> reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
>> http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html 
>


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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>
>>>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>
>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded those
>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>
>Except, of course, that they didn't.

Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques have come to the
same conclusions, along with large numbers of eye-witnesses and other
survivors.

>
>If there were, you'd be able to show actual evidence for them.   You know, 
>acutal forensically verifiable things like gravesites.

The German government is aware of how many soldiers were alive and
well on 08-May-1945 and how many returned from their various allied
slave labour assignments and Ike's camps. There is a multi-million
person discrepancy. The people's remains were not disposed of inside
the camps. The area of France-Germany-Benelux is more than 1 million
km², plenty of space to hide human remains so that they never get
found.

>
>But you can't, can you?
>
>-pk
>
>> and all
>> without special measures such as the gas chambers that feature so
>> prominently in holocaust lore.
>>
>>>  the guards were already
>>>Americans, and so didn't lie about their activities to gain citizenship.
>>>
>>>That's the relevant difference between them and Mr. Schmidt.   He lied, he
>>>got caught, he lost the things he gained through the lie.
>>>
>>>> KK
>>>>
>>>> "Jason James"  wrote in message
>>>> news:4a7f7b9f$0$49161$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:TRKfm.40345$PH1.26612@edtnps82...
>>>>>> So he was a camp in a prison guard what crime did he commit. Were the
>>>>>> Americans who did kill japans civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki war
>>>>>> criminals or are they angels. Are Jews who kill Palestinians also war
>>>>>> criminals or are they guardian angels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was camp and into a prison guard!!? Steady,..Kurtius.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:55 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>A trip from Amsterdam to Sydney landed 71-year-old Jan Rutten and his 
>15-year-old grandson not in Australia as expected, but in the town of Sydney 
>in Nova Scotia, Canada, reports the AD newspaper on Tuesday.
>
>
>Although the journey, booked via a Dutch travel agency, included a transfer 
>at Halifax on the cold east coast of Canada, the pair had no idea they were 
>on their way to a destination some 27,000kms from where they thought they 
>were going, according to the paper.
>
>The confusion was caused by a 'mistake with their tickets' the paper says. 
>After two nights in Canada, Rutten and his grandson are now believed to be 
>on their way to Sydney, Australia, the paper says.
>
I guess it cost the travel agency a good recommendation.  :-)


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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>
>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded those
>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>
>>>Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>
>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>
>So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.

I could name them, but you're not worth the time required unless there
is going to be some point to this other than getting me to waste my
time preparing a list that you are merely going to delete. The people
to whom I'm talking know whereof I speak. I'm not primarily speaking
to you, so if you are ignorant of the topic at hand, it is not my job
to try to enlighten you.

>
>> have come to the
>> same conclusions, along with large numbers of eye-witnesses and other
>> survivors.
>
>And those are.....too numerous to identify.
>
>And some people claim the evidence for the Holocaust is unreliable....
>
>>>
>>>If there were, you'd be able to show actual evidence for them.   You know,
>>>acutal forensically verifiable things like gravesites.
>>
>> The German government is aware of how many soldiers were alive and
>> well on 08-May-1945 and how many returned from their various allied
>> slave labour assignments and Ike's camps. There is a multi-million
>> person discrepancy. The people's remains were not disposed of inside
>> the camps. The area of France-Germany-Benelux is more than 1 million
>> km², plenty of space to hide human remains so that they never get
>> found.
>>
>>>
>>>But you can't, can you?
>
>And that's why you make claims, and yet can't actually seem to provide any 
>real evidence for them.
>
>As you've failed to do, again, here.
>
>-pk
>
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>> and all
>>>> without special measures such as the gas chambers that feature so
>>>> prominently in holocaust lore.
>>>>
>>>>>  the guards were already
>>>>>Americans, and so didn't lie about their activities to gain citizenship.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's the relevant difference between them and Mr. Schmidt.   He lied, 
>>>>>he
>>>>>got caught, he lost the things he gained through the lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>> KK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jason James"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4a7f7b9f$0$49161$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:TRKfm.40345$PH1.26612@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>> So he was a camp in a prison guard what crime did he commit. Were 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Americans who did kill japans civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 
>>>>>>>> war
>>>>>>>> criminals or are they angels. Are Jews who kill Palestinians also 
>>>>>>>> war
>>>>>>>> criminals or are they guardian angels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He was camp and into a prison guard!!? Steady,..Kurtius.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:26:21 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:1iq285l2tl2kp8nqj6ojr5u35ooiulr63r@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:57:48 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Kenneth there is something wrong here if Schmidt is now 69 how old was
>>>he in 1945.
>>
>> Poor feeble-minded Kenny is far too stupid to recognize such obvious
>> flaws in the story.
>>
>> Kenny's only assignment is to believe, regardless how preposterous the
>> story.
>
>Schmidt was born between 1924 and 1926, and was between 19 and 21 in 1945.

In other words, you don't know when he was born or how old he was when
these things allegedly happened. There were generally no teenyboppers
in the Wehrmacht who had much authority. To wield authority in the
German armed services either then or now, people tend to be in their
thirties at a minimum. The story is not very credible.

>
>The story is fifteen years old.
>
>What were you saying about "obvious flaws"?
>
>-pk
>
>>
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>news:9Y6dnYp9Xo7pxOPXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@vex.net...
>>>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>>>
>>>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>>>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>>>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>>>
>>>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 [1994. ed.]  -- The Department of Justice
>>>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>>>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>>>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>>>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>>>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>>>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>>>> that he was legally deportable.
>>>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>>>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>>>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>>>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>>>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>>>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>>>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>>>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>>>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>>>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>>>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>>>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>>>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>>>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>>>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>>>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>>>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>>>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>>>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>>>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>>>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>>>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>>>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>>>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>>>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>>>> -30-
>>>> -- 
>>>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>>>> people did hang him after that"
>>>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>>>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>>> 
>


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
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>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
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>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded those
>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>
>>>>>Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>
>>>So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>
>> I could name them,
>
>But you can't.
>
>That's why you don't.

Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there for
everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.

>
>>  but you're not worth the time required unless there
>> is going to be some point to this other than getting me to waste my
>> time preparing a list that you are merely going to delete. The people
>> to whom I'm talking know whereof I speak. I'm not primarily speaking
>> to you, so if you are ignorant of the topic at hand, it is not my job
>> to try to enlighten you.
>>
>>>
>>>> have come to the
>>>> same conclusions, along with large numbers of eye-witnesses and other
>>>> survivors.
>>>
>>>And those are.....too numerous to identify.
>>>
>>>And some people claim the evidence for the Holocaust is unreliable....
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If there were, you'd be able to show actual evidence for them.   You 
>>>>>know,
>>>>>acutal forensically verifiable things like gravesites.
>>>>
>>>> The German government is aware of how many soldiers were alive and
>>>> well on 08-May-1945 and how many returned from their various allied
>>>> slave labour assignments and Ike's camps. There is a multi-million
>>>> person discrepancy. The people's remains were not disposed of inside
>>>> the camps. The area of France-Germany-Benelux is more than 1 million
>>>> km², plenty of space to hide human remains so that they never get
>>>> found.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But you can't, can you?
>>>
>>>And that's why you make claims, and yet can't actually seem to provide any
>>>real evidence for them.
>>>
>>>As you've failed to do, again, here.
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-pk
>>>>>
>>>>>> and all
>>>>>> without special measures such as the gas chambers that feature so
>>>>>> prominently in holocaust lore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the guards were already
>>>>>>>Americans, and so didn't lie about their activities to gain 
>>>>>>>citizenship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's the relevant difference between them and Mr. Schmidt.   He 
>>>>>>>lied,
>>>>>>>he
>>>>>>>got caught, he lost the things he gained through the lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jason James"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4a7f7b9f$0$49161$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:TRKfm.40345$PH1.26612@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>> So he was a camp in a prison guard what crime did he commit. Were
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Americans who did kill japans civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>>>>>>>>> war
>>>>>>>>>> criminals or are they angels. Are Jews who kill Palestinians also
>>>>>>>>>> war
>>>>>>>>>> criminals or are they guardian angels.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He was camp and into a prison guard!!? Steady,..Kurtius.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:22:23 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The German government say what it is allowed to say. Question some of the 
>survivors, it .

I see that the mcvay imbecile is into it again with his "skaliks"
nonsense that he trots out whenever he has nothing sensible to say or
contribute.

He have only the claim of mcvay that the German government disputes
the figures researched by James Bacques, and we all know that
mcvayisms are not worth a pinch of rat-shit. In addition, the German
government is not about to seriously offend its patron, the USA, by
pushing unpleasant facts

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:cISdnd6rIKsd-xnXnZ2dnUVZ_j9i4p2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded those
>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>
>>>>>Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>
>>>So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>
>>>> have come to the
>>>> same conclusions, along with large numbers of eye-witnesses and other
>>>> survivors.
>>>
>>>And those are.....too numerous to identify.
>>>
>>>And some people claim the evidence for the Holocaust is unreliable....
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If there were, you'd be able to show actual evidence for them.   You 
>>>>>know,
>>>>>acutal forensically verifiable things like gravesites.
>>>>
>>>> The German government is aware of how many soldiers were alive and
>>>> well on 08-May-1945 and how many returned from their various allied
>>>> slave labour assignments and Ike's camps. There is a multi-million
>>>> person discrepancy. The people's remains were not disposed of inside
>>>> the camps. The area of France-Germany-Benelux is more than 1 million
>>>> km², plenty of space to hide human remains so that they never get
>>>> found.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But you can't, can you?
>>>
>>>And that's why you make claims, and yet can't actually seem to provide any
>>>real evidence for them.
>>>
>>>As you've failed to do, again, here.
>>
>> Mr. Skaliks has been knolling. The German government
>> has already made it clear that Bacques' data was
>> seriously flawed. Perhaps Mr. Skaliks should speak to
>> the Bundeswerh archives and quit repeating the lies
>> above.
>>
>> -- 
>> "We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
>> influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:43:27 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 13, 1:17 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 12, 5:23 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> > >                        NAZI ATROCITIES IN WWII
>>
>> > > Lidice
>>
>> > >http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-lidice.htm
>>
>> > > Malmedy Massacre
>>
>> > >http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/malmedy.htm
>>
>> > > The Blitz on Londonhttp://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/london-blitz.htm
>>
>> > > Bombing of Warsaw
>>
>> > >http://www.answers.com/topic/bombing-of-warsaw-in-world-war-ii
>>
>> > > Bombing of Rotterdam
>>
>> > >http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Bombing_of_Rotterdam
>>
>> > > Bombing of Coventry
>>
>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz
>>
>> > > Night of the Long Knives
>>
>> > >http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htm
>>
>> > > Kristallnacht
>>
>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
>>
>> > I guess they alone committed atrocities in war eh Joe?  Is that what
>> > you're saying?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> You need remedial reading, you fucking idiot.
>> I never said anything like that.
>
>You implied that nazis are evil, and the people who burned pregnant
>women in Dresden were not.  Or excuse me, but do you think that the
>crew of the Enola Gay was innocent of atrocities?  Maybe I erred, and
>you believe that the Americans were bigger crims than the National
>Socialists?

It is interesting to note that Joe trots out relatively trivial
episodes to justify huge allied atrocities.

Lidice - A small-time event for which the allied accounts are
doubtful.

Malmedy - A few dozen American service people bite the dust, but
nothing is said about the tens of thousands of German service
personnel murdered by the allies in the months following D-day because
they didn't want to be bothered with prisoners.

The London Blitz - The so-called "Blitz" is mostly allied hype, in
addition to which it followed months of allied terrorist bombing in
western Germany.

Warsaw - This was perfectly militarily legitimate, since it was a case
of a defended city that had a German army on the ground in a position
to capture.

Rotterdam - This too was a defended city with a German army in
position to capture it. The local authorities delayed too long in
coming to the decision to surrender, so that PART of the scheduled
German air attack could not longer be called off. There were fewer
than 1000 civilian casualities, small potatoes relative to allied
efforts.

Coventry - This was an attack on the Rolls Royce aircraft plant with
"collateral damage" of fewer than 400 civilians, the type of thing
that Americans routinely dismiss as trivial if it is their bombing.

The Night of the Long Knives - This is 90% allied hype and totally
pales before the purges of the allied hero Stalin.

Kristallnacht - There is another example of an event surrounded by so
much allied hype that it is tough to separate fact from fiction.
Again, it was not nice, but it was trivial compared to the well-known
purges of Stalin.


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 14, 7:51 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>wrote:
>
>> Oh, and another thing Joe.  Where is Ben Cramer?  And/or Eugene
>> Holman?  I suspect you had something to do with the disappearance of
>> Cramer.  Or did he all of a sudden just decide out of the blue to go
>> on a walkabout?  What about Eugene?  Maybe he went on a jingle bells
>> sleigh ride; returning only during the Christmas season?
>
>Heh heh. A paranoid nazi.
>cramers tucked up with his new friend Bozo very safely.
>And the other nazis have had an awakening as to the mindless evil of
>their belief

It is truly hypocritical for George to talk about the "mindless evil
of their belief", given that he spouts all manner of ignorance and
superstition. The fact remains that 99.9999% of the people he attacks
as "Nazis" are no such thing. George is a slime-ball who generally has
no argument so he resorts to character-assassination.


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:43:31 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message 
>news:4a845b6a$0$26302$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>> The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several trucks. 
>> What happened to those treasures.
>>
>> Topi
>>
>Could be they are in Israel or America.
>kk
>
That is where much of it ended up, and in the former USSR.


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:38:35 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
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>
>"Truthseeker"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:n9Zgm.41094$PH1.17429@edtnps82...
>>
>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message 
>> news:4a845b6a$0$26302$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>> The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several trucks. 
>>> What happened to those treasures.
>>>
>>> Topi
>>>
>> Could be they are in Israel or America.
>> kk
>>
>I hope they are in Israel or America, but I doubt it. The Nazis were such 
>vandals that they maybe just burnt all those valuable scrolls and books to 
>warm themselves during their evil operations.

That sounds like a really improbable tale. One of our neighbours had
the misfortune of having to house American occupation jackasses from
the American mid-west. They smashed and burned his grand piano in 1947
to keep warm, and they sold his paintings and other art for personal
profit. It is Americans who are currently trampling priceless
artifacts from Babylon underfoot in Iraq. If anybody deserves the
title of modern vandals, it is the cultureless Americans.

> In the same time they emptied 
>the Tlomacka library, they emptied the Sejm library as to clean the whole 
>history of Poland to nothingness.

Poland is an historical failure. It really doesn't have much of a
history. It has always been one of the most ignorant and backward
parts of Europe, and sadly still is.

> Shame on the Third Reich.

They were certainly no saints, but they had nothing on the Russians or
Americans when it came to loutish behaviour or sheer barbarism.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:59:37 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 13, 3:38 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>wrote:
>> "Truthseeker"  kirjoitti
>> viestissä:n9Zgm.41094$PH1.17429@edtnps82...
>>
>> > "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message
>> >news:4a845b6a$0$26302$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>> >> The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several trucks.
>> >> What happened to those treasures.
>>
>> >> Topi
>>
>> > Could be they are in Israel or America.
>> > kk
>>
>> I hope they are in Israel or America, but I doubt it. The Nazis were such
>> vandals that they maybe just burnt all those valuable scrolls and books to
>> warm themselves during their evil operations. In the same time they emptied
>> the Tlomacka library, they emptied the Sejm library as to clean the whole
>> history of Poland to nothingness. Shame on the Third Reich.
>>
>> Topi
>
>The 'Vandals' were a Germanic tribe.  They were born to kill and cause
>untold destruction.  What else did you expect?  I'd rather be governed
>by the Vandals than by our Conservative government.  At least I'd know
>and expect to be treated unjustly.  Here they pretend to treat you
>fairly and then stab you in the back.

The Vandals were unfairly characterized by Roman historians. They were
not nearly as wild or uncouth as Roman writings would have it.


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:21:38 -0700 (PDT), cornholio
 wrote:

>It's hard to stay positive when you're surrounded by tens of millions
>of muslime baboons calling for your blood. Maybe Israel should deport
>the muslime baboons to Germany and Holland -- so they could be closer
>to you and your family Heine!

Cornholer, it may surprise you to learn that the Israeli state has no
authority or power to send anybody to Germany, other than people who
are German citizens and who may have worn out their welcome.

You obviously, and quite hypocritically, apply a double standard where
you are free to use moronic drivel such as "muslime baboons" whereas
somebody critical of Israeli actions is immediately denounced as
"anti-semitic" or if the denouncer is George, a "Nazi".

In addition, Islam is rooted in Judaism, so if Islam is the way you
claim, they came by their problems honestly. Islam is much closer to
its Judaic roots than is Christianity. Islam may tend towards
fanaticism, but then so does Judaism. To me, all three Abrahamic
religions are silly superstitions that really ought to be discarded in
the modern age.

Just think, most of the problems in the middle east are the result of
some superstition adherents of Judaism making land claims based on the
absurd compilation of myths and legends known as Judaism. It is almost
certain that the Kingdom of David and Solomon that the fanatical
settler-movement is trying to "restore" never existed in the first
place, except on Torah scrolls.


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:28:58 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several trucks. 
>What happened to those treasures.

The Americans looted art galleries, museums, and private homes in
Germany and required several hundred SHIPS to transport the stolen
loot to the so-called land of the free and home of the brave.

Typical was the American rancher from Texas, who had looted a gold
retainer for the gospel of St. Matthew from the cathedral treasury at
Quedlinburg. When the old buzzard died, his heirs tried to sell the
artifact at auction. The German government department resposible for
the recovery of stolen German artwork quickly became aware of this,
and moved quickly to seize the material and return it to Germany. They
cravenly offered a "finder's fee" of $3 million to the thief's heirs.
The artifact itself was appraised at $35 million and had lain on the
thief's ranch desk in Texas for more than thirty years. I guess the
uneducated American rustic had no idea of the value of the stuff he
had stolen. At least this item is back in Quedlinburg where it
belongs.

The Russians still have thousands of items that they looted in Germany
and are ungraciously refusing to return. At least the Royal Ontario
Museum was decent and honest enough to return the medieval armour
collection, that had been stolen from Dresden, to its rightful owners
in 1990. For years, the stolen material had been on display in
Toronto.



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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 13, 6:30 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>wrote:
>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti
>> viestissä:fa5af754-79fd-4b21-b44b-efe7f5d45...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 3:38 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Truthseeker"  kirjoitti
>> > viestissä:n9Zgm.41094$PH1.17429@edtnps82...
>>
>> > > "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message
>> > >news:4a845b6a$0$26302$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>> > >> The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several
>> > >> trucks.
>> > >> What happened to those treasures.
>>
>> > >> Topi
>>
>> > > Could be they are in Israel or America.
>> > > kk
>>
>> > I hope they are in Israel or America, but I doubt it. The Nazis were such
>> > vandals that they maybe just burnt all those valuable scrolls and books to
>> > warm themselves during their evil operations. In the same time they
>> > emptied
>> > the Tlomacka library, they emptied the Sejm library as to clean the whole
>> > history of Poland to nothingness. Shame on the Third Reich.
>>
>> > Topi
>>
>> The 'Vandals' were a Germanic tribe.  They were born to kill and cause
>> untold destruction.  What else did you expect?  I'd rather be governed
>> by the Vandals than by our Conservative government.  At least I'd know
>> and expect to be treated unjustly.  Here they pretend to treat you
>> fairly and then stab you in the back.
>>
>> While a dagger in Your back, look aroud to see where Your books are, and
>> Your family photoghraphs. You and your children can vote to produce a
>> governement that never burns books and treats people unjustly.There is no
>> way but democracy.
>>
>> Topi
>
>Democracy?  Oh, I don't think so.  It is the worst form of government
>there is.  They make you think you have a say, but all you have is the
>right to vote, and the right to do as you're told.

It is a dictatorship where to get to exchange the old robbers for new
robbers at four or five year intervals.

As my father used to say: "You have stupidly exchanged a gang of
politicians whose pockets were full, with a new set whose pockets are
still empty."


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:26:07 +1000, "Jason James"  wrote:

>
>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7ekchkF2gerq7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/142963
>
>The story has to be told, for to ignore history etc is to relive it. Not 
>that 'revisionists' have thrown any shadow over the veracity of the H. 

>The great silent majority know a charleton when they hear one.

Clearly not, or there wouldn't be the ongoing witch-hunter for people
who express any doubt over some of the stories.

>
>Jason 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:54:58 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:Oo0hm.41143$PH1.34509@edtnps82...
>> The only proof you have is the one from your brethrens.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>
>Yes, my brethrens are those who told me that the  Nazis stole their 
>libraries.

These were people who wanted to extort "compensation" from the
ultra-gullible authorities in western Germany, often for fortunes that
had never existed. There have been more than enough instances of
compensation claims for non-existent stolen treasures.

> My brethrens are the polish and jewish people who miss their 
>scrolls and books.

A large percentage of Poles don't even read, since they have among the
lowest levels of education in Europe. Why would Nazis want Jewish
scrolls, since they had no interest in this superstition?

>
>You have this far denyed the murders, now Yoy deny the thefts.

Very few people deny that large numbers of Jews died and that the
Nazis were no friends of Jews, but that is not the same as the demand
here in this newsgroup, namely that people uncritically accept every
tale served up regardless of how silly or preposterous it might be.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:52:29 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:2a83792e-deeb-4119-96ec-9f757826423a@f33g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 13, 6:30 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>wrote:
>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti
>> viestissä:fa5af754-79fd-4b21-b44b-efe7f5d45...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 3:38 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Truthseeker"  kirjoitti
>> > viestissä:n9Zgm.41094$PH1.17429@edtnps82...
>>
>> > > "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message
>> > >news:4a845b6a$0$26302$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>> > >> The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several
>> > >> trucks.
>> > >> What happened to those treasures.
>>
>> > >> Topi
>>
>> > > Could be they are in Israel or America.
>> > > kk
>>
>> > I hope they are in Israel or America, but I doubt it. The Nazis were 
>> > such
>> > vandals that they maybe just burnt all those valuable scrolls and books 
>> > to
>> > warm themselves during their evil operations. In the same time they
>> > emptied
>> > the Tlomacka library, they emptied the Sejm library as to clean the 
>> > whole
>> > history of Poland to nothingness. Shame on the Third Reich.
>>
>> > Topi
>>
>> The 'Vandals' were a Germanic tribe. They were born to kill and cause
>> untold destruction. What else did you expect? I'd rather be governed
>> by the Vandals than by our Conservative government. At least I'd know
>> and expect to be treated unjustly. Here they pretend to treat you
>> fairly and then stab you in the back.
>>
>> While a dagger in Your back, look aroud to see where Your books are, and
>> Your family photoghraphs. You and your children can vote to produce a
>> governement that never burns books and treats people unjustly.There is no
>> way but democracy.
>>
>> Topi
>
>Democracy?  Oh, I don't think so.  It is the worst form of government
>there is.  They make you think you have a say, but all you have is the
>right to vote, and the right to do as you're told.
>
>I think it was Winston Churchill

Oh, you mean the dictator of Britain. He didn't really have much use
for democracy. Everything the guy touched in his life turned into
shit.






> who said that there a no but bad forms of 
>governemet but democracy is yet the best we have invented. Nobody tells me 
>what to do and how to vote.
>
>Topi 
>


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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:02:47 -0700 (PDT), kangarooistan
 wrote:

>Jews OWN western countries and EVERYBODY must pretend to believe their
>LIES

It isn't possible to force people to believe, but they certainly can
be forced to pay lip service.


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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:03:33 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:ae6dnXHhbrMBpRvXnZ2dnUVZ_qZi4p2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Truthseeker  wrote:
>>>
>>>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>>>news:efecd1a6-36f9-4714-9fb7-2e492b17d695@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>> In article ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>>>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>> >news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>> >> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>> >>>news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>> >>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>> >>>>>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>> >>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>
>>>> >>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded
>>>> >>>> those
>>>> >>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>
>>>> >>>Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>
>>>> >> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>
>>>> >So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>
>>>> >> have come to the
>>>> >> same conclusions, along with large numbers of eye-witnesses and other
>>>> >> survivors.
>>>>
>>>> >And those are.....too numerous to identify.
>>>>
>>>> >And some people claim the evidence for the Holocaust is unreliable....
>>>>
>>>> >>>If there were, you'd be able to show actual evidence for them. You
>>>> >>>know,
>>>> >>>acutal forensically verifiable things like gravesites.
>>>>
>>>> >> The German government is aware of how many soldiers were alive and
>>>> >> well on 08-May-1945 and how many returned from their various allied
>>>> >> slave labour assignments and Ike's camps. There is a multi-million
>>>> >> person discrepancy. The people's remains were not disposed of inside
>>>> >> the camps. The area of France-Germany-Benelux is more than 1 million
>>>> >> km², plenty of space to hide human remains so that they never get
>>>> >> found.
>>>>
>>>> >>>But you can't, can you?
>>>>
>>>> >And that's why you make claims, and yet can't actually seem to provide
>>>> >any
>>>> >real evidence for them.
>>>>
>>>> >As you've failed to do, again, here.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Skaliks has been knolling. The German government
>>>> has already made it clear that Bacques' data was
>>>> seriously flawed. Perhaps Mr. Skaliks should speak to
>>>> the Bundeswerh archives and quit repeating the lies
>>>> above.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well if the German government says it, then it must be true.  You're a
>>>big believer in government eh Ken?
>>
>> I believe the Bundeswehr historians. If you do not, produce your
>> best evidence that they have lied. I'll wait.
>>
>>>The German government has his information from the Americans and the 
>>>Jewish
>>>mafia. Mr Bacques has his information from survivors and so do I.
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> Mr. Bacque's data is seriously flawed - deal with it.
>> DO let me know what the Bundeswehr has to offer... I'll just sit
>> here and wait.
>
>What bundeswehr I am talking about individuals. You are in the extortion 
>business we are not.

The Bundeswehr did not exist at the time that these things occurred,
so what is so special about their spin on the topic?

>
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>>
>> -- 
>> "Hey Kenneth there are people dying now that never did dye before."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar and Reigning
>> Village Idiot)
>> The Nizkor Project                            http://www.nizkor.org 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:46:40 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 10:08 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 4:41 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:43:27 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
>>
>> >  wrote:
>> > >On Aug 13, 1:17 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> > >> On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> > >> > On Aug 12, 5:23 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> > >> > >                        NAZI ATROCITIES IN WWII
>>
>> > >> > > Lidice
>>
>> > >> > >http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-lidice.htm
>>
>> > >> > > Malmedy Massacre
>>
>> > >> > >http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/malmedy.htm
>>
>> > >> > > The Blitz on Londonhttp://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/london-blitz.htm
>>
>> > >> > > Bombing of Warsaw
>>
>> > >> > >http://www.answers.com/topic/bombing-of-warsaw-in-world-war-ii
>>
>> > >> > > Bombing of Rotterdam
>>
>> > >> > >http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Bombing_of_Rotterdam
>>
>> > >> > > Bombing of Coventry
>>
>> > >> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz
>>
>> > >> > > Night of the Long Knives
>>
>> > >> > >http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htm
>>
>> > >> > > Kristallnacht
>>
>> > >> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
>>
>> > >> > I guess they alone committed atrocities in war eh Joe?  Is that what
>> > >> > you're saying?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > >> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > >> You need remedial reading, you fucking idiot.
>> > >> I never said anything like that.
>>
>> > >You implied that nazis are evil, and the people who burned pregnant
>> > >women in Dresden were not.  Or excuse me, but do you think that the
>> > >crew of the Enola Gay was innocent of atrocities?  Maybe I erred, and
>> > >you believe that the Americans were bigger crims than the National
>> > >Socialists?
>>
>> > It is interesting to note that Joe trots out relatively trivial
>> > episodes to justify huge allied atrocities.
>>
>> > Lidice - A small-time event for which the allied accounts are
>> > doubtful.
>>
>> > Malmedy - A few dozen American service people bite the dust, but
>> > nothing is said about the tens of thousands of German service
>> > personnel murdered by the allies in the months following D-day because
>> > they didn't want to be bothered with prisoners.
>>
>> > The London Blitz - The so-called "Blitz" is mostly allied hype, in
>> > addition to which it followed months of allied terrorist bombing in
>> > western Germany.
>>
>> > Warsaw - This was perfectly militarily legitimate, since it was a case
>> > of a defended city that had a German army on the ground in a position
>> > to capture.
>>
>> > Rotterdam - This too was a defended city with a German army in
>> > position to capture it. The local authorities delayed too long in
>> > coming to the decision to surrender, so that PART of the scheduled
>> > German air attack could not longer be called off. There were fewer
>> > than 1000 civilian casualities, small potatoes relative to allied
>> > efforts.
>>
>> > Coventry - This was an attack on the Rolls Royce aircraft plant with
>> > "collateral damage" of fewer than 400 civilians, the type of thing
>> > that Americans routinely dismiss as trivial if it is their bombing.
>>
>> > The Night of the Long Knives - This is 90% allied hype and totally
>> > pales before the purges of the allied hero Stalin.
>>
>> > Kristallnacht - There is another example of an event surrounded by so
>> > much allied hype that it is tough to separate fact from fiction.
>> > Again, it was not nice, but it was trivial compared to the well-known
>> > purges of Stalin.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Shut the fuck up, you stupid Kraut. I don't believe a word you say and
>> I doubt anyone else does.
>
>Johannes is at least truthful.  Oh, and your racisim is showing.

The idiots don't realize that truth is truth regardless of whether
they believe it or not. I don't give a flying shit whether they
believe it, any more than I give a flying shit whether a brain-dead
American fundie is weaned away from Creationism. I know for certain
that fundies cannot be convinced, so I generally don't waste my time.
It is the same reason I don't go to the trouble of looking up authors
and references for people such as Patrick, since I know that he isn't
really interested, but only wants me to jump through his hoops.



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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 11, 9:12 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:22:56 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The farmers around the camp where not allowed to bring food to the
>> >prisoners. The prisoners slept in mud wholes and it was the shortage of food
>> >that caused them to die.
>>
>> Poor Kenny is so stupid that he has come to believe his own
>> fabrications. There isn't much point to discussing anything with that
>> jerk.
>>
>> When relatives are threatened with summary execution for bringing food
>> to prisoners, something is definitely wrong, despite protestations to
>> the contrary by idiots such as mcvay.
>>
>
>But Johannes, deniers offend Mcvay's sense of humanity!  His humanity
>goes out the window though when 'crimes' committed by the allies are
>mentioned.
>We've seen his 'The Germans got what they deserved' stuff over and
>over.

That is the principal reason I tend to dismiss whatever he has to say
as the ranting of a bigot and crackpot.

>
>>
>>
>> >Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>> >news:IaSdnSrEK7B4pR3XnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> >> In article ,
>> >> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> >> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> >> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> >> Tutu with the "Volksverhetzung" Cross and  wrote:
>>
>> >>>Get real read the book other loses. A friend of mine Richard Bolschneider
>> >>>was in IKS camp and he dolt me how the Americans picked up the death
>> >>>bodies
>> >>>every morning. He even dolt me about how they collected the death bodies
>> >>>every morning. At on time they did pile up the death bodies and made a
>> >>>movie
>> >>>out of it. At a latter date while in Canada he has seen the movie portrait
>> >>>as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>
>> >> What is a "death body?" Is it your claim that when an inmate dies
>> >> in a camp, the camp is a "death camp?"
>>
>> >> "Other Losses" has been thoroughly discredited by historians,
>> >> including the Bundeswehr's. You are knolling.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that there are Holocaust victims' shoes
>> >> with soles made of plastic, as you claimed on April 3, 2009. You
>> >> were lying.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that the Yale University Law "Avalon Project"
>> >> is "Jewish," as you claimed in August, 2008.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> >> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> >> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> >> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> >> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> >> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> >> as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> >> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> >> have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> >> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> >> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> >> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> >> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> >> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> >> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> >> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> >> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> >> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> >> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> >> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> >> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> >> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> >> within the treaty.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> >> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> >> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
>> >> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
>> >> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
>> >> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> >> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
>> >> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> >> as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> >> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> >> claimed.
>>
>> >> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> >> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> >> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> "The Nizkor website (secretly financed by the ADL and other Jewish front
>> >> organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
>> >> reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
>> >>http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:54:30 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:j1ia851qqlgit0nks7q4ufvmkb0m1h1qad@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:38:35 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Poland is an historical failure. It really doesn't have much of a
>> history. It has always been one of the most ignorant and backward
>> parts of Europe, and sadly still is.
>>
>
>Now we hear. We can´t close our ears, not to hear.
>We see. We can´t close our eyes not to see.
>We read. We understand.
>
Virtually ALL of the buildings in today's "Poland" that have any
historical value were built by Germans on whose land the Poles are
squatting. Poles tended to build in sticks and mud. Significant
buildings like the cathedral in Breslau or Danzig were the work of
German people.


>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:55:26 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 14/08/09"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:aussies_suck-440500.11125014082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> > com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:28:58 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> >The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several trucks.
>>> >What happened to those treasures.
>>>
>>> The Americans looted art galleries, museums, and private homes in
>>> Germany and required several hundred SHIPS to transport the stolen
>>> loot to the so-called land of the free and home of the brave.
>>
>> Then it shouldn't be difficult to
>> provide a list of these "ships" and
>> their manifests. We'll wait

You have yet to show that there was a library of any note at Tlomacka
or that it was robbed by Germans, since Poles had nothing whatever the
Germans themselves wouldn't have had in greater abundance and in
greater quality.

Germans don't visit Poland to steal. It is Poles that visit Germany to
steal and that has been the pattern for the last thousand years or so,
and sadly still is.

As far as allied looting goes, that is well established, or what do
you suppose that the allied dismantlers were doing from 1945 to 1950?


>>
>>
>> and wait
>>
>>
>> and wait
>>
>>
>>
>And Topi from Finland is waiting, and waiting and waiting in all her ports 
>to see the cargo consisting the Tlomacka library arriving. No see, so far...
>
>Topi 
>


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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:28:16 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:dnia85tebe364hh9rmo5kq1mm21tg0o7so@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:54:58 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> A large percentage of Poles don't even read, since they have among the
>> lowest levels of education in Europe. Why would Nazis want Jewish
>> scrolls, since they had no interest in this superstition?
>>
>You seem to be the King-Vandal as to steal and destroy everything You don´t 
>understand. If the Poles don´t read, why did they had libraries that the 
>natzi-vandals stole ? There are hundreds of wittnesses seeing the Tlomacka 
>library being robbed by the germans.

There were also hundreds of witnesses in Belgium who claimed that
German military personnel chopped off the hands of children. None were
ever found, and the whole story was a complete myth.

The whole concept of intellectual property in Poland is preposterous.
The Poles are primitive people who never created anything of value.
What they have is generally stolen, and even then their incompetence
makes sure that they don't enjoy the stolen property for long. Poland
is an historical failure, and I suspect that they would collectively
have trouble making a success of a lemonade stand.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:44:07 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:u7ha85llt54g8ov1bghnic2cqdgo4ib571@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:28:58 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>The natzis robbed the library and transported it away in several trucks.
>>>What happened to those treasures.
>>
>> The Americans looted art galleries, museums, and private homes in
>> Germany and required several hundred SHIPS to transport the stolen
>> loot to the so-called land of the free and home of the brave.
>>
>> Typical was the American rancher from Texas, who had looted a gold
>> retainer for the gospel of St. Matthew from the cathedral treasury at
>> Quedlinburg. When the old buzzard died, his heirs tried to sell the
>> artifact at auction. The German government department resposible for
>> the recovery of stolen German artwork quickly became aware of this,
>> and moved quickly to seize the material and return it to Germany. They
>> cravenly offered a "finder's fee" of $3 million to the thief's heirs.
>> The artifact itself was appraised at $35 million and had lain on the
>> thief's ranch desk in Texas for more than thirty years. I guess the
>> uneducated American rustic had no idea of the value of the stuff he
>> had stolen. At least this item is back in Quedlinburg where it
>> belongs.
>>
>> The Russians still have thousands of items that they looted in Germany
>> and are ungraciously refusing to return. At least the Royal Ontario
>> Museum was decent and honest enough to return the medieval armour
>> collection, that had been stolen from Dresden, to its rightful owners
>> in 1990. For years, the stolen material had been on display in
>> Toronto.
>>
>
>Oh, Mine!! Touché !
>
>As You so well know everything, tell us where are the treasures of the 
>Tlomacka Library. But before that, tell us why did the germans at the first 
>place stole them?

That presupposes that they actually did steal that stuff. That has yet
to be established. It makes no sense for Nazis, or anybody else, to
steal stuff in Poland, a country where they have never had so much as
a pot to piss in.


> Your philosophy seems to be that things that happened 
>afterwards cause the the things that happened before.  You are multiple in 
>words to hide the question. Had there been a rancher from Texas to loot 
>anything in Germany without the natzis starting the war.

I see, so now the victims of the theft are responsible for the crimes
of the thief.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:58:40 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Criticizing the holocaust in Germany could land you in jail. Jewish hate 
>mongering in Germany is allowed.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:f906a85d-b0b8-4594-bcf4-fb95aad4470b@i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 14, 3:00 am, Topaz  wrote:
>> n Australia, Holocaust `Denier' Toben is Jailed as Appeal Fails
>> AAP 
>> (Australia)http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25924475-12377,00....
>>
>> Holocaust denier Fredrick Toben has been taken into custody to serve a
>> three-month jail term over publishing offensive material on the
>> internet. The 64-year-old was taken from the Federal Court in Adelaide
>> by Australian Federal Police today after losing his appeal against his
>> conviction for contempt of court. The Full Court of the Federal Court
>> also ruled that his jail term, originally imposed in May this year,
>> was in no way excessive.
>>
>
>
> In Nazi Germany, the works of Jewish writers were seized and burned
>by storm troopers. Resisters were beaten and shot. Merely criticizing
>the government could mean being sent to a concentration camp...

It would appear that nothing much has changed now that the allies are
in charge, just different people being persecuted.

>
>From:"Free Speech Under Siege"... 
>


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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:17:10 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>Where are the books and scrolls the nazis stole from the library of Tlomacka 
>in Warsaw 1940 ?

I have no idea where they might be or whether they ever existed, but I
really doubt that the material was stolen by Nazis. If it were, it
would be in some German museum or another, or in the hands of private
collectors. This sounds like another tall tale of the H-industry.

> I´ve heard that You might know...
>
>Topi 
>


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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:30:44 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there are no 
>reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death camps.

Dream on.


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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:47:42 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 14/08/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-12E22A.17164515082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> ,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 14/08/09"  wrote in message
>>> news:aussies_suck-695CDD.10532315082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > ,
>>> > "Truthseeker" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:ae6dnXHhbrMBpRvXnZ2dnUVZ_qZi4p2d@vex.net...
>>> >> > In article ,
>>> >> > Truthseeker  wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>>> >> >>news:efecd1a6-36f9-4714-9fb7-2e492b17d695@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> >>On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>> >> >>> In article ,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>>> >> >>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >> >>> >news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>> >> >>> >> 
>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >> >>> >>>news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>> >> >>> >>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>> >> >>> >>>> 
>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>> >> >>> >>>>>news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>> >> >>> >>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>>>Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates 
>>> >> >>> >>>> exceeded
>>> >> >>> >>>> those
>>> >> >>> >>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >> have come to the
>>> >> >>> >> same conclusions, along with large numbers of eye-witnesses and
>>> >> >>> >> other
>>> >> >>> >> survivors.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >And those are.....too numerous to identify.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >And some people claim the evidence for the Holocaust is
>>> >> >>> >unreliable....
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>If there were, you'd be able to show actual evidence for them. 
>>> >> >>> >>>You
>>> >> >>> >>>know,
>>> >> >>> >>>acutal forensically verifiable things like gravesites.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >> The German government is aware of how many soldiers were alive 
>>> >> >>> >> and
>>> >> >>> >> well on 08-May-1945 and how many returned from their various
>>> >> >>> >> allied
>>> >> >>> >> slave labour assignments and Ike's camps. There is a 
>>> >> >>> >> multi-million
>>> >> >>> >> person discrepancy. The people's remains were not disposed of
>>> >> >>> >> inside
>>> >> >>> >> the camps. The area of France-Germany-Benelux is more than 1
>>> >> >>> >> million
>>> >> >>> >> km², plenty of space to hide human remains so that they never 
>>> >> >>> >> get
>>> >> >>> >> found.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>>But you can't, can you?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >And that's why you make claims, and yet can't actually seem to
>>> >> >>> >provide
>>> >> >>> >any
>>> >> >>> >real evidence for them.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> >As you've failed to do, again, here.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Mr. Skaliks has been knolling. The German government
>>> >> >>> has already made it clear that Bacques' data was
>>> >> >>> seriously flawed. Perhaps Mr. Skaliks should speak to
>>> >> >>> the Bundeswerh archives and quit repeating the lies
>>> >> >>> above.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Well if the German government says it, then it must be true.  You're 
>>> >> >>a
>>> >> >>big believer in government eh Ken?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I believe the Bundeswehr historians. If you do not, produce your
>>> >> > best evidence that they have lied. I'll wait.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>The German government has his information from the Americans and the
>>> >> >>Jewish
>>> >> >>mafia. Mr Bacques has his information from survivors and so do I.
>>> >> >>Kurt Knoll.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mr. Bacque's data is seriously flawed - deal with it.
>>> >> > DO let me know what the Bundeswehr has to offer... I'll just sit
>>> >> > here and wait.
>>>
>>> So you say
>>
>> Actually I haven't. Do try to keep up. I
>> agree that Bacque obviously went to the
>> same educational facilities that
>> leuchter and irving went to.
>>
>>
>>> Mr. Basques information is coming from individuals and not from
>>> you lackey German Government.
>>
>> It doesn't matter where it came
>> from...it is flawed. It doesn't stand up
>> to peer review. His source is
>> misrepresented just like irving
>> misrepresents his source material
>
>So you say what makes you think we shall trust you. The major aim of the 
>holocaust industry is to discredit anyone that questions their holocaust. 
>Honesty is something you people have never known.

The holocaust lobby is proficient at throwing shit, just like Chimps,
but they have no achievements of their own.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>>
>>
>>> I must also say you divide and conquer to
>>> discredit other is a standard procedure of yours.
>>
>> You would say anything rather than
>> answer simple questions. Do you believe
>> that 45000 people died in a single air
>> raid on Nuremberg?
>>
>>
>>> Give us one good reason
>>> why anyone should trust you.
>>
>> Give me one good reason why I should
>> care if you trust me. I don't require
>> and neither should you, trust for you to
>> answer questions. Why would anyone trust
>> a hatemonger like you when you refuse to
>> answer questions?
>>
>>
>>> Now go and reach out and screw some one
>>
>> I wouldn't dream of interfering with
>> your family business.
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> What bundeswehr I am talking about individuals. You are in the 
>>> >> extortion
>>> >> business we are not.
>>> >
>>> > What individuals? We are not  talking
>>> > about knollers. You are in the
>>> > hatemongering business...we are not.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -- 
>>> >> > "Hey Kenneth there are people dying now that never did dye before."
>>> >> > (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar and Reigning
>>> >> > Village Idiot)
>>> >> > The Nizkor Project                            http://www.nizkor.org 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:15:01 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:pfof85ltaitv6l3inkkjbgnvp4lf0eh6sn@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:30:44 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there are 
>>>no
>>>reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death camps.
>>
>> Dream on.
>
>Why dream of reality?
>
>You don't name them because there are *no* reputable, non-discredited 
>sources for claims of allied death camps.

The allies are not going to deliberately soil their own reputation.
Eisenhower's hagiographers have no credibility, and America has no
credibility.

>
>*That* is the reality.
>
>-pk 


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"ZuLu"  wrote in message 
>news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>
>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded 
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>
>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there for
>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>
>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there are 
>>> no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death camps.
>>
>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army 
>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American 
>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant 
>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by 
>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>
>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>
>As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these claims. 
>You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, Col. Fisher 
>actually said this - if he said it at all.
>
>Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
>
>Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes your 
>claims seriously.

You have used several sentences to say exactly nothing. All the
holocaust cult is able to do is bray "nay", "nay", "nay" ad nauseam,
but they are simply not able to substantiate anything. One of the
principle reasons that I doubt your holocaust claims is the fact that
you lie so brazenly about allied atrocities. It doesn't exactly add to
the reliability of your other claims. James Bacque or Alfred de Zayas
have no reason whatsoever to lie about this, whereas allied apologists
such as yourself have thousands of reasons to lie, and generally do.

My default position regarding statements by Patrick Keenan is that the
statements are lies, unless convincingly demonstrated to be otherwise.
You are exactly like some fundamentalist crazy quoting nonsense from
his half-baked holy book to counter scientific claims that run counter
to the crap in his holy book. In your case, the holy book is the
propaganda version of WW2 cooked up by the allies at Nuremberg,
whereas other religious crazies quote from the Torah, the Q'uran, or
the bible.

>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>
>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, and that 
>>> the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>
>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" promote 
>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same time 
>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the historical 
>>> reality of the Holocaust.
>>>
>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers and 
>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>
>>
>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military Governor, 
>> General Eisenhower, sent out an “urgent courier” with instructions making 
>> it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It was even a 
>> capital offence to gather food together in one place to take to prisoners. 
>> The message reads in part:
>>
>> “…Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local 
>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who 
>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to 
>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of 
>> being shot…”(1)
>>
>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by French 
>> guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect this was a 
>> deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. Many prisoners 
>> and German civilians saw American guards burn food that had been brought 
>> to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who described it 
>> recently: “At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the 
>> camp. The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it 
>> in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned it.” (2)
>>
>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136 


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:59:41 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>"Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly."
>
>Says who.

Bacque's conclusions contradict Patrick's half-baked holy book, so
they simply _must_ be wrong, at least in Patrick's little mind.

> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.

Their statements contradict Patrick's half-baked holy book, so the
survivor statements must be wrong. Patrick is just another fundie,
spouting nonsense from some ridiculous holy book.

> Here is 
>what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in iks death 
>camp. 

I have relatives who had the same experience, but then their
experiences contradict Patrick's half-baked notions, so they simply
_must_ be wrong, at least in Patrick's little mind.

>Every morning they collect the death german soldiers bodies, At one an 
>American film grew came and took picture of the death German prisoners piled 
>up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust show portrait as Jews 
>killed by the Germans.

Patrick is your typical naive fundie, whose nonsensical holy book
trumps reality. Debates and discussions with fundies are generally a
waste of time. Even objective reality will not convince them, because
their demented holy books trumps all.

Have you ever attempted to show some Mormon the sheer nonsense of his 
superstitions? It is an exercise in futility, despite the fact that
the Book of Mormon has literally thousands of logical gaps and
contradictions in it, just like the orthodox holocaust fables, but the
Book of Mormon, crazy though it might be, simply trumps reality for
this poor simpleton (true believer), and so it is for Patrick. 

You are trying to use logic and evidence to convince people like
Patrick or mcvay, and it simply isn't possible to convince "true
believers" because their belief system does not include logic. In a
contest between scientific objective reality, their holy book is
always deemed to be "truth".


>Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>
>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>
>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message 
>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>
>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded 
>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there for
>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>
>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there 
>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death 
>>>> camps.
>>>
>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army 
>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American 
>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant 
>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by 
>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>
>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>
>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these 
>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, Col. 
>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>
>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
>>
>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes your 
>> claims seriously.
>>
>> -pk
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, and 
>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" promote 
>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same time 
>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the 
>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>
>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers and 
>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military Governor, 
>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an “urgent courier” with instructions making 
>>> it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It was even a 
>>> capital offence to gather food together in one place to take to 
>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>
>>> “…Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local 
>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who 
>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to 
>>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of 
>>> being shot…”(1)
>>>
>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by French 
>>> guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect this was a 
>>> deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. Many prisoners 
>>> and German civilians saw American guards burn food that had been brought 
>>> to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who described it 
>>> recently: “At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the 
>>> camp. The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it 
>>> in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned it.” (2)
>>>
>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>> 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:50:20 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 18/08/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-33EC76.11362818082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> ,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly."
>>>
>>> Says who. why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp. Here 
>>> is
>>> what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in iks death
>>> camp.
>Go and check the employment records of the local Super Value store where he 
>did work.
>KK
>
>>
>> There is no such person as Richard
>> Bolschneider. Why are you knolling?

Don't let these cretins sucker you into their usual bankrupt rhetoric.
This is their standard technique.

>>
>>> Every morning they collect the death german soldiers bodies,
>>
>> You mean soldiers died in POW
>> facilities? You would seem to prefer
>> that the bodies be left where they died.
>>
>>
>> At one an
>>> American film grew came and took picture of the death German prisoners 
>>> piled
>>> up.
>>
>> Where can we see these pictures?
>> Originals, no copies please.
>>
>>
>>> And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust show portrait as Jews
>>> killed by the Germans.
>>
>>
>> Who is "he"?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> >
>>> > "ZuLu"  wrote in message
>>> > news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>> >> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>> >>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>> >>>>>> 
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>> >>>>>>>> 
>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates 
>>> >>>>>>>>>> exceeded
>>> >>>>>>>>>> those
>>> >>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I could name them,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> But you can't.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> That's why you don't.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there 
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there
>>> >>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death
>>> >>> camps.
>>> >>
>>> >> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army
>>> >> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in 
>>> >> American
>>> >> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a 
>>> >> compliant
>>> >> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by
>>> >> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>> >>
>>> >> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>> >> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>> >
>>> > As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these
>>> > claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, Col.
>>> > Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>> >
>>> > Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
>>> >
>>> > Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes your
>>> > claims seriously.
>>> >
>>> > -pk
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, and
>>> >>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" promote
>>> >>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same 
>>> >>> time
>>> >>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the
>>> >>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers and
>>> >>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military Governor,
>>> >> General Eisenhower, sent out an “urgent courier” with instructions 
>>> >> making
>>> >> it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It was even a
>>> >> capital offence to gather food together in one place to take to
>>> >> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>> >>
>>> >> “…Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the 
>>> >> local
>>> >> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who
>>> >> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade 
>>> >> to
>>> >> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of
>>> >> being shot…”(1)
>>> >>
>>> >> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by 
>>> >> French
>>> >> guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect this was 
>>> >> a
>>> >> deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. Many 
>>> >> prisoners
>>> >> and German civilians saw American guards burn food that had been 
>>> >> brought
>>> >> to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who described it
>>> >> recently: “At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into 
>>> >> the
>>> >> camp. The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw 
>>> >> it
>>> >> in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned it.” (2)
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>> > 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:32:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:ls788557afhvrjrcql7fh0tmfosphvh7g8@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:26:21 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:1iq285l2tl2kp8nqj6ojr5u35ooiulr63r@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:57:48 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Kenneth there is something wrong here if Schmidt is now 69 how old 
>>>>>was
>>>>>he in 1945.
>>>>
>>>> Poor feeble-minded Kenny is far too stupid to recognize such obvious
>>>> flaws in the story.
>>>>
>>>> Kenny's only assignment is to believe, regardless how preposterous the
>>>> story.
>>>
>>>Schmidt was born between 1924 and 1926, and was between 19 and 21 in 1945.
>>
>> In other words, you don't know when he was born or how old he was when
>> these things allegedly happened.
>
>Yes, we do.  He was old enough to be in the armed services, and that's what 
>matters.
>
>Schmidt was born in Scharosh, Romania, of German parents, was inducted into 
>the armed forces (Waffen SS)  in June 1943 as a private and assigned to 
>service at Sachsenhausen.   He served there until at least September, 1944, 
>then was attached to the 3rd Battalion of the 38th SS Armored Division, was 
>wounded in combat in Lorraine on Nov. 28, 1944; and stayed in hospital till 
>he became a British prisoner of war.   He was released on July 8, 1946.
>
>> There were generally no teenyboppers
>> in the Wehrmacht who had much authority.
>
>His rank was "Private".   His authority was over prisoners, not over other 
>military staff.
>
>But then, minor-age German citizens had rights over prisoners.
>
>Do you even think about what you write?

Do you even know whereof you babble?

>
>>  To wield authority in the
>> German armed services either then or now,
>
>Which isn't a position Schmidt was in, as is the case for those most holding 
>the rank of Private.    This is the case in most military organizations; the 
>privates don't run the show.
>
>His authority was over prisoners, not over other military staff.
>
>> people tend to be in their
>> thirties at a minimum. The story is not very credible.
>
>Except that it is, and Schmidt himself agrees that it's what happened.
>
>It would help if you *pretended* to pay attention, and didn't just ingore 
>the parts that are inconvenient for you.
>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>The story is fifteen years old.
>>>
>>>What were you saying about "obvious flaws"?
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:9Y6dnYp9Xo7pxOPXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@vex.net...
>>>>>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>>>>>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>>>>>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 [1994. ed.]  -- The Department of Justice
>>>>>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>>>>>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>>>>>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>>>>>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>>>>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>>>>>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>>>>>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>>>>>> that he was legally deportable.
>>>>>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>>>>>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>>>>>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>>>>>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>>>>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>>>>>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>>>>>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>>>>>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>>>>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>>>>>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>>>>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>>>>>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>>>>>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>>>>>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>>>>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>>>>>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>>>>>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>>>>>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>>>>>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>>>>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>>>>>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>>>>>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>>>>>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>>>>>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>>>>>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>>>>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>>>>>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>>>>>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>>>>>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>>>>>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>>>>>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>>>>>> -30-
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>>>>>> people did hang him after that"
>>>>>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>>>>>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>>>
>>> 


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:39:45 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Innteresting Patrick does Schmidt know all this facts.

Patrick and mcvay simply fabricate stuff on the fly. If this Schmidt
was 19 when the war ended, he was only 17 when he allegedly became a
"private", a rank that doesn't exist in the German armed services, so
I am wondering what his real rank was. In any case, boys of 17 are not
generally put in charge of anybody, nor do they generally have the
requisite training to be part of an elite unit.

>kk
>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:gZudnZrhl_cOeBfXnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> news:ls788557afhvrjrcql7fh0tmfosphvh7g8@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:26:21 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1iq285l2tl2kp8nqj6ojr5u35ooiulr63r@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:57:48 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Kenneth there is something wrong here if Schmidt is now 69 how old 
>>>>>>was
>>>>>>he in 1945.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor feeble-minded Kenny is far too stupid to recognize such obvious
>>>>> flaws in the story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenny's only assignment is to believe, regardless how preposterous the
>>>>> story.
>>>>
>>>>Schmidt was born between 1924 and 1926, and was between 19 and 21 in 
>>>>1945.
>>>
>>> In other words, you don't know when he was born or how old he was when
>>> these things allegedly happened.
>>
>> Yes, we do.  He was old enough to be in the armed services, and that's 
>> what matters.
>>
>> Schmidt was born in Scharosh, Romania, of German parents, was inducted 
>> into the armed forces (Waffen SS)  in June 1943 as a private and assigned 
>> to service at Sachsenhausen.   He served there until at least September, 
>> 1944, then was attached to the 3rd Battalion of the 38th SS Armored 
>> Division, was wounded in combat in Lorraine on Nov. 28, 1944; and stayed 
>> in hospital till he became a British prisoner of war.   He was released on 
>> July 8, 1946.
>>
>>> There were generally no teenyboppers
>>> in the Wehrmacht who had much authority.
>>
>> His rank was "Private".   His authority was over prisoners, not over other 
>> military staff.
>>
>> But then, minor-age German citizens had rights over prisoners.
>>
>> Do you even think about what you write?
>>
>>>  To wield authority in the
>>> German armed services either then or now,
>>
>> Which isn't a position Schmidt was in, as is the case for those most 
>> holding the rank of Private.    This is the case in most military 
>> organizations; the privates don't run the show.
>>
>> His authority was over prisoners, not over other military staff.
>>
>>> people tend to be in their
>>> thirties at a minimum. The story is not very credible.
>>
>> Except that it is, and Schmidt himself agrees that it's what happened.
>>
>> It would help if you *pretended* to pay attention, and didn't just ingore 
>> the parts that are inconvenient for you.
>>
>> -pk
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>The story is fifteen years old.
>>>>
>>>>What were you saying about "obvious flaws"?
>>>>
>>>>-pk
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:9Y6dnYp9Xo7pxOPXnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@vex.net...
>>>>>>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>>>>>>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>>>>>>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 [1994. ed.]  -- The Department of Justice
>>>>>>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>>>>>>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>>>>>>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>>>>>>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>>>>>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>>>>>>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>>>>>>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>>>>>>> that he was legally deportable.
>>>>>>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>>>>>>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>>>>>>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>>>>>>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>>>>>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>>>>>>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>>>>>>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>>>>>>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>>>>>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>>>>>>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>>>>>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>>>>>>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>>>>>>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>>>>>>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>>>>>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>>>>>>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>>>>>>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>>>>>>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>>>>>>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>>>>>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>>>>>>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>>>>>>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>>>>>>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>>>>>>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>>>>>>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>>>>>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>>>>>>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>>>>>>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>>>>>>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>>>>>>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>>>>>>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>>>>>>> -30-
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>>>>>>> people did hang him after that"
>>>>>>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>>>>>>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:35:59 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>There you go sucker you do live in your own little world. here is my example 
>when returning to Nuremberg in April-may 1945. I did look over the old city 
>that was totally bombed out someone said some 45000 people perished. This 
>was an observation and not a statement as you claim it to be. You can go now 
>and kiss your own ashole I will certainly will not do it for you.

In their desperation to discredit, mcvay and his ghouls will try to
use any real or apparent discrepancy. They are unable to attack what
you say, so they attack YOU. It is an old trick and pretty despicable
at that. It is possible that the 45,000 was part of the local rumours,
much like the much touted six million that mcvay & co use for their
living. The ghouls here, naturally, deny or discount any German
suffering, but like to balloon alleged Jewish suffering to the Nth
degree. For them, being the racist cretins that they are, only Jews
count. Hear them talk about the middle east, where endless numbers of
Israeli outrages are excused but even a single Jewish casuality is
seen as bringing on the end of the world.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 18/08/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-84FC17.11275318082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <41fe5$4a8a6ea3$596480f8$6503@news.upc.i
>> e>,
>> "Mavisbeacon"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 17/08/09"  wrote in message
>>> news:aussies_suck-431407.14175817082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > ,
>>> > "Truthseeker" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "I'll Always Be 17/08/09"  wrote in 
>>> >> message
>>> >> news:aussies_suck-F34B7A.12001717082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > ,
>>> >> > "Truthseeker" 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Why should I proof anything to you. I quoted what I have read on 
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> NG.
>>> >> >> Go
>>> >> >> and look for it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That is your version, but where is your
>>> >> and where is your proof i did not ??.
>>> >
>>> > It's not in the archives.
>>>
>>>
>>> Furthermore need you again be reminded about "proving a negative"
>>>
>>> According to Knolls logic I can claim that unicorns exist and it is for 
>>> him
>>> to show proof that they do NOT exist and not for me to produce any 
>>> evidence
>>> at all!
>>>
>>
>> You obviously haven't paid attention.
>> Under no circumstances will the knoller
>> ever provide proof of anything or the
>> lack of proof of anything. 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:08:41 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>Europe continues to move to Islamic Sharia rule: Several British swimming 
>pools require non-Muslims to dress like Muslims to avoid offending them, 
>even though the sessions are held separately for men and women.
>
>Several British councils have begun Muslim-only swimming sessions that ban 
>anyone who does not wear the “burkini,” a head-to-toe outfit. Officials 
>explained the edict is to prevent Muslims from being offended.
>
>
>Male swimmers also must be covered from the navel to the knees, the London 
>Daily Telegraph reported.
>
>British Labor party Member of Parliament Ian Cawsey protested, “"I don't 
>think that in a local authority pool I should have to wear a particular type 
>of clothes for the benefit of someone else. That's not integration or 
>cohesion."
>
>One social work center director told the newspaper, "Non-Muslims see these 
>extremist demands as an example of Muslims wanting things to fit into their 
>lifestyle, when there aren't similar things organized for Hindus, Buddhists 
>or Jews. It also puts moderate Muslims in an awkward position as it 
>suggests, wrongly, that they are not devout enough, simply because they 
>choose not to cover themselves in a shroud in a pool."
>
>Muslim religious laws have made inroads into other sectors of society as 
>well. Telegraph columnist James Delingpole wrote this week that demands for 
>religious coercion on non-Muslims include “Muslim supermarket workers trying 
>to dictate the terms of their employment (refusing to sell alcohol), to the 
>ongoing campaign…for certain civil decisions in the Muslim ‘community’ to be 
>made under Shariah law.”
>
>One British dentist has refused to treat his female Muslim patients who do 
>not cover their heads. The country’s dental council warned him he may be 
>dismissed or he may be taken off the professional roster if he considers 
>himself “a Muslim first and a dentist second.”
>
>
>
Religion is simply evil, regardless of brand. If Muslims want to
impose special dress requirements at swimming pools, then they need to
buy/build their own, rather than hijacking public pools paid for with
the money of others.

Why do the British authorities put up with this crap? 


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:14 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:h_Bim.39549$Db2.2518@edtnps83...
>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly."
>>
>> Says who.
>
>Those people who have examined Bacque's work and the sources he claims to 
>have used.

Eisenhower's hagiographers disagreed with Bacques, but that doesn't
exactly prove anything, except to your little mind, Patrick. Who are
these nameless, faceless people who have allegedly disproven Bacques,
and half a dozen other researchers?
b
>
>Which is, by the way, something *you* could do.
>
>Then you might understand why his arguments and arithmetic don't stand up.
>
>> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.
>
>> Here is what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in iks 
>> death camp. Every morning they collect the death german soldiers bodies, 
>> At one an American film grew came and took picture of the death German 
>> prisoners piled up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust 
>> show portrait as Jews killed by the Germans.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>Sorry to tell you this, Kurt, but a 3rd hand account from you is not 
>particularly convincing.
>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates exceeded 
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there for
>>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there 
>>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death 
>>>>> camps.
>>>>
>>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army 
>>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American 
>>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant 
>>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by 
>>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>>
>>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>>
>>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these 
>>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, Col. 
>>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>>
>>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
>>>
>>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes your 
>>> claims seriously.
>>>
>>> -pk
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, and 
>>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" promote 
>>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same time 
>>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the 
>>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>>
>>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers and 
>>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military Governor, 
>>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" with instructions 
>>>> making it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It was 
>>>> even a capital offence to gather food together in one place to take to 
>>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>>
>>>> ".Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local 
>>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who 
>>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to 
>>>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of 
>>>> being shot."(1)
>>>>
>>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by 
>>>> French guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect 
>>>> this was a deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. Many 
>>>> prisoners and German civilians saw American guards burn food that had 
>>>> been brought to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who 
>>>> described it recently: "At first, the women from the nearby town brought 
>>>> food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away from the 
>>>> women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned it." 
>>>> (2)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:15:39 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Look like you are living in a dream world.

In many cases, and George is typical, they have repeated their
fantasies so often that they can no longer distinguish their fantasies
>from reality.

>kk
>
>"George"  wrote in message 
>news:f4fef2fd-a078-47a4-ae82-0b2f06616bb4@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 19, 10:51 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:39:45 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Innteresting Patrick does Schmidt know all this facts.
>>
>> Patrick and mcvay simply fabricate stuff on the fly. If this Schmidt
>> was 19 when the war ended, he was only 17 when he allegedly became a
>> "private", a rank that doesn't exist in the German armed services, so
>> I am wondering what his real rank was. In any case, boys of 17 are not
>> generally put in charge of anybody, nor do they generally have the
>> requisite training to be part of an elite unit.
>>
>
>Why do nazis have to lie?
>
>The German for private is
>Schütze  Private, infantry
>Grenadier Private, infantry
>Fusilier Private, infantry
>Musketier Private, infantry
>Jäger Private in a rifle battalion or mountain regiment
>
>And the rag ends of the 1945 nazi forces were 12 year old boys dragged
>into action from the Hitler Jugend Groups. 
>


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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:21:22 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The people you are talking about are yours people and your number one intent 
>is to discredit all your opponents.

Throwing shit at your opponents, along the pattern of Chimps, is so
much easier than disproving what they have to say. You notice that
here. Patrick, mcvay, and their various followers ALWAYS use character
assassination as their "change of subject" when rhetorically cornered.
They are unable to counter what Zulu, for example, has to say, so they
settle for personal attacks against him. It's cheap and it's dishonest
but it seems to work for brain-dead American republicans at election
time.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:A-adndsOdsls8RbXnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>
>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>> news:h_Bim.39549$Db2.2518@edtnps83...
>>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly."
>>>
>>> Says who.
>>
>> Those people who have examined Bacque's work and the sources he claims to 
>> have used.
>>
>> Which is, by the way, something *you* could do.
>>
>> Then you might understand why his arguments and arithmetic don't stand up.
>>
>>> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.
>>
>>> Here is what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in iks 
>>> death camp. Every morning they collect the death german soldiers bodies, 
>>> At one an American film grew came and took picture of the death German 
>>> prisoners piled up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust 
>>> show portrait as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> Sorry to tell you this, Kurt, but a 3rd hand account from you is not 
>> particularly convincing.
>>
>> -pk
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeded those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there 
>>>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death 
>>>>>> camps.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army 
>>>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American 
>>>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant 
>>>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by 
>>>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>>>
>>>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these 
>>>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, Col. 
>>>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>>>
>>>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
>>>>
>>>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes your 
>>>> claims seriously.
>>>>
>>>> -pk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, and 
>>>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" promote 
>>>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same time 
>>>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the 
>>>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers and 
>>>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military Governor, 
>>>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" with instructions 
>>>>> making it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It was 
>>>>> even a capital offence to gather food together in one place to take to 
>>>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>>>
>>>>> ".Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local 
>>>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who 
>>>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade 
>>>>> to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger 
>>>>> of being shot."(1)
>>>>>
>>>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by 
>>>>> French guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect 
>>>>> this was a deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. 
>>>>> Many prisoners and German civilians saw American guards burn food that 
>>>>> had been brought to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who 
>>>>> described it recently: "At first, the women from the nearby town 
>>>>> brought food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away 
>>>>> from the women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline over it and 
>>>>> burned it." (2)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:14:07 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 19, 10:51 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:39:45 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Innteresting Patrick does Schmidt know all this facts.
>>
>> Patrick and mcvay simply fabricate stuff on the fly. If this Schmidt
>> was 19 when the war ended, he was only 17 when he allegedly became a
>> "private", a rank that doesn't exist in the German armed services, so
>> I am wondering what his real rank was. In any case, boys of 17 are not
>> generally put in charge of anybody, nor do they generally have the
>> requisite training to be part of an elite unit.
>>
>
>Why do nazis have to lie?
>

They don't necessarily, that is your province.

>The German for private is
>Schütze  	Private, infantry
>Grenadier 	Private, infantry
>Fusilier 	Private, infantry
>Musketier 	Private, infantry
>Jäger 	Private in a rifle battalion or mountain regiment

That list is approximately correct, but as I said, the title "Private"
does not exist in the German armed services, although there are
obviously roughly equivalent ranks. The guy did not have an English
title, nor would an entry-level person have a whole lot of
responsibility for anything.

>And the rag ends of the 1945 nazi forces were 12 year old boys dragged
>into action from the Hitler Jugend Groups.

I guess that your rag-tag bunch of witch-hunters will go after them
next for allegedly organizing the so-called holocaust.

Most of the youngsters were at least 14, but why let facts stand in
your way. Their home cities were under attack by merciless monsters
such as the Red Army and they were called to assist. It happens. Had
they stayed home, they would have been murdered anyway by the allied
heroes when the boys tried to interfere with the rapes of their
mothers, sisters and grandmothers. In that department, the American
service personnel were only marginally better than the Soviet
soldateska who had been specifically instructed to rape as many women
as possible.



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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:48:39 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 19, 1:15 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Look like you are living in a dream world.
>
>Yeah riiight.
>Again
>> Why do nazis have to lie?
>>
>> The German for private is
>> Schütze  Private, infantry
>> Grenadier Private, infantry
>> Fusilier Private, infantry
>> Musketier Private, infantry
>> Jäger Private in a rifle battalion or mountain regiment
>>
>> And the rag ends of the 1945 nazi forces were 12 year old boys dragged
>> into action from the Hitler Jugend Groups.
>
>What part of the above is incorrect kurt ?

The list is fine, George, but Schmidt still didn't have the title of
"private".


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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:47:17 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:trae8514m9t2gibmi3lu9ig91b2csvd0i0@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:54:30 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poland is an historical failure. It really doesn't have much of a
>>>> history. It has always been one of the most ignorant and backward
>>>> parts of Europe, and sadly still is.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Virtually ALL of the buildings in today's "Poland" that have any
>> historical value were built by Germans on whose land the Poles are
>> squatting. Poles tended to build in sticks and mud. Significant
>> buildings like the cathedral in Breslau or Danzig were the work of
>> German people.
>>
> When germans entered Warsaw in 1939 it was quite a beautiful city.

There were a lot of beautiful cities badly damaged during WW2, most of
them by the allies and their wanton vandalism. Baghdad is just the
latest in a long trail of destruction wrought by brainless American
savages.

Warsaw was a defended city. Damages will happen.

> When 
>they were thrown out of there in 1945 it was just a big heap of rubbles.

How do you sort out German damage, Polish damage, and Soviet damage?
 
>Significant german architecture in Poland can be seen in Birkenau. Barracks 
>side by side.

Those were most likely the work of Polish workers, not buildings like
the cathedrals of Breslau or Danzig.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:47:17 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:trae8514m9t2gibmi3lu9ig91b2csvd0i0@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:54:30 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poland is an historical failure. It really doesn't have much of a
>>>> history. It has always been one of the most ignorant and backward
>>>> parts of Europe, and sadly still is.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Virtually ALL of the buildings in today's "Poland" that have any
>> historical value were built by Germans on whose land the Poles are
>> squatting. Poles tended to build in sticks and mud. Significant
>> buildings like the cathedral in Breslau or Danzig were the work of
>> German people.
>>
> When germans entered Warsaw in 1939 it was quite a beautiful city. When 
>they were thrown out of there in 1945 it was just a big heap of rubbles. 
>Significant german architecture in Poland can be seen in Birkenau. Barracks 
>side by side.

Incidentally, illiterate finnish clown, in English names like German
or Germany go with capitals. If you're going to write in English, then
write in proper English or fuck off.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:21:09 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>McVay is like a little kid always chewing the same gum. When one only 
>analyzes how their system works one can get a very clear picture of their 
>inborn falsehood. Number on recipe for them is the discrediting game that 
>they will use in aspect of their hollow saga it is to disqualify anyone that 
>dares to ask them question. Charges they are using are first and foremost 
>geared to discredit anyone in their way. Just out of curiosity here is one I 
>remember way back when ?. At one time when I wend for coffee break we did 
>have a lawyer sitting with us. At one time I ask him why they do have so 
>many charges against a guy. His explanation was if the can not stick someone 
>with one chare they will try another. The holocaust industries does not work 
>any different. And like always they will start with character asasinations. 
>As for holocaust trials I would say judges have to be very carefully on what 
>their judgement will be. Because I am almost sure they will discredit or 
>disqualify him if he is not expedient enough for them.

People such as mcvay, and his parrot Patrick, are hot air with very
little substance.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:tcbm85l1uh8v16ofhno3cndbt156bpekv1@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:35:59 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There you go sucker you do live in your own little world. here is my 
>>>example
>>>when returning to Nuremberg in April-may 1945. I did look over the old 
>>>city
>>>that was totally bombed out someone said some 45000 people perished. This
>>>was an observation and not a statement as you claim it to be. You can go 
>>>now
>>>and kiss your own ashole I will certainly will not do it for you.
>>
>> In their desperation to discredit, mcvay and his ghouls will try to
>> use any real or apparent discrepancy. They are unable to attack what
>> you say, so they attack YOU. It is an old trick and pretty despicable
>> at that. It is possible that the 45,000 was part of the local rumours,
>> much like the much touted six million that mcvay & co use for their
>> living. The ghouls here, naturally, deny or discount any German
>> suffering, but like to balloon alleged Jewish suffering to the Nth
>> degree. For them, being the racist cretins that they are, only Jews
>> count. Hear them talk about the middle east, where endless numbers of
>> Israeli outrages are excused but even a single Jewish casuality is
>> seen as bringing on the end of the world.
>>
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>"I'll Always Be 18/08/09"  wrote in message
>>>news:aussies_suck-84FC17.11275318082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> In article
>>>> <41fe5$4a8a6ea3$596480f8$6503@news.upc.i
>>>> e>,
>>>> "Mavisbeacon"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I'll Always Be 17/08/09"  wrote in 
>>>>> message
>>>>> news:aussies_suck-431407.14175817082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>>> > In article
>>>>> > ,
>>>>> > "Truthseeker" 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "I'll Always Be 17/08/09"  wrote in
>>>>> >> message
>>>>> >> news:aussies_suck-F34B7A.12001717082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>>> >> > In article
>>>>> >> > ,
>>>>> >> > "Truthseeker" 
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Why should I proof anything to you. I quoted what I have read on
>>>>> >> >> this
>>>>> >> >> NG.
>>>>> >> >> Go
>>>>> >> >> and look for it.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > That is your version, but where is your
>>>>> >> and where is your proof i did not ??.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It's not in the archives.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore need you again be reminded about "proving a negative"
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Knolls logic I can claim that unicorns exist and it is for
>>>>> him
>>>>> to show proof that they do NOT exist and not for me to produce any
>>>>> evidence
>>>>> at all!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You obviously haven't paid attention.
>>>> Under no circumstances will the knoller
>>>> ever provide proof of anything or the
>>>> lack of proof of anything.
>>> 
>


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:47:53 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>On Aug 11, 3:56 pm, "_ G O D _"  wrote:
>>  wrotenews:3bv3851fkqk6djjf2g612nfgaf2bvjl177@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hitler called himself a Nationalist Socialist!
>> > He was a bitter enemy of Communism.
>>
>> Are you expressing your own opinion, or showing Hitler's
>> point of view, because he is unable to speak for himself?
>> Although I doubt he'd have allowed you to speak for him.
>> I doubt that you even know what 'communism' means, to
>> put Hitler in opposition to it in the capacity of the "enemy"....
>
>Hitler admitted privately to some of his cronies that he inserted the
>word "socialist" in the name of his party to attract votes from the
>working class. He had no intention of actually following socialism.His
>financial support came from big business.
>> --
>> _____________________________________________________
Americans regularly get confused by political terms and political
colours as used in Europe.

The European usage of "socialist" doesn't mean "left wing" or
"liberal" as it might in the USA. The CDU, for example, is a union of
Christian Democrats and Christian Socialists, the former being a
moderate centre party, and the latter being extremely conservative to
the point of making Attila the Hun look like a wimp.

The colour for "conservative/reactionary" in Germany is "white",
whereas left wing is denoted by "red".

In Canada also, "red" denotes "liberal/left-wing" whereas in the USA
it apparently denotes "reactionary".


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:15:14 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:rdso85d60spkml0o0m1mhbu8eqi8bkjdt0@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:47:17 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>?
>>
>>>Significant german architecture in Poland can be seen in Birkenau. 
>>>Barracks
>>>side by side.
>>
>> Those were most likely the work of Polish workers, not buildings like
>> the cathedrals of Breslau or Danzig.
>>
>
>They were not Polish workers. They were slaves forced to build those blocks 
>by their german (sic) masters.
>

You seem to be an illiterate finnish arsehole, topi, and if you keep
it up you will be placed on a filter.

>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:27:09 +1000, "Jason James"  wrote:

>*We're talking about a dominating National socialist state invading every 
>country around it,...and beyond,..fucknutz.

That didn't happen, of course, until most of a year AFTER the French
and British attacked them. All the places that were occupied were
occupied for pretty sound military reasons.

France declared war against Germany in early September of 1939, but
was not invaded until June of the following year. It is unreasonable
on your part to expect the German authorities to do nothing and just
wait until the French are good and ready to attack them. The USA
certainly would not wait until its enemies were in ideal shape to
attack the USA, so why do you expect that of others?



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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:40:12 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The thing that irk's me most of the after war show process is how they went
>about it. Certainly the will make sure the person who confessed to them will
>never be allowed to make a puplic statement. What did happen to the
>concentration camp guard that were no convicted Where they allowed to make
>statements or have they been under a total gag order.

The title is a bit of a laugh, Kurt. Poor kenny is unlikely to be able
to read, let alone "document" something. He has documented nothing.
You open your mouth, and kenny shouts his reflexive "Lies!", "LIES!",
"Lies!" regardless of what you may have said. Poor kenny is an
imbecile.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:2u-dnfQ_Eu3yDhDXnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "Volksverhetzung" Cross and
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>The thing that irk's me most of the after war show process is how they 
>>>went
>>>about it. Certainly the will make sure the person who confessed to them 
>>>will
>>>never be allowed to make a puplic statement. What did happen to the
>>>concentration camp guard that were no convicted Where they allowed to make
>>>statements or have they been under a total gag order.
>>
>> The thing that irks me most of the post-war process is how
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll repeats the same lies,
>> over and over again.
>>
>> The one about this mysterious "gag order" that Herr Knoll cannot
>> produce or document in any way.
>>
>> The Swedish TV interview granted by Hans Meunch, to offer but one
>> example, demonstrates that, as usual, Herr Knoll is lying:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/lz5cqy
>>
>> This interview is but one reason Herr Knoll is correctly
>> identified as a documented liar.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that there are Holocaust victims' shoes
>> with soles made of plastic, as you claimed on April 3, 2009. You
>> were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that the Yale University Law "Avalon
>> Project" is "Jewish," as you claimed in August, 2008.  You
>> were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> claimed on July 3, 2008. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> as you have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion
>> that 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you
>> have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty,
>> exactly, prohibits the construction of Polish military
>> installations along the Polish Corridor, even though you
>> claim such a prohibition exists within the treaty. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies
>> and the post-war German & Japanese governments that banned
>> "butting" the Allies in "a bad light" as you have claimed.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether
>> or not materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are
>> available. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of
>> newspapers printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their
>> claim about gassings at Dachau. You were lying about seeking
>> `the truth.
>>
>> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a
>> plaque exists outside the Dachau camp which states that no
>> one was ever gassed there, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion
>> of the Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust,"
>> as you have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the
>> truth" is so easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which
>> forbids "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as
>> you have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008) 
>


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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:57:37 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 20, 2:28 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "keiner da" Cross and
>>
>>   wrote:
>> >What war crimes they have been ordinary soldiers.
>>
>> That is your version, but what is the truth? What is the truth
>> about SS man Knoll, who murdered Jews in Poland?
>
>First of all, Knoll wasn't an SS man.  Having said that, the Waffen SS
>fought honourably(mostly; at least as honourably as their allied
>counterparts).  Calling someone an SS man is not an insult.  It only
>insults those who are ill informed.  And only ill informed people
>would use this as an insult.
>
>

That stuff is all mcvay babble, so it really doesn't mean much. 


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:53:26 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Replying to a guy like Mcfuck is a waste of time.

This is clearly true, which is why I put the silly bastard on a filter
ages ago.

> He is selling something 
>what he wants others to believe he is part of the holocaust industries he 
>wants us to believe their facts. Trust can not be bought it has to be 
>earned.

Within the heart of hearts of kenny lies the wreck of a used car
salesman.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message 
>news:556937f2-e18b-4033-9107-8a77897de960@k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 20, 2:28 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "keiner da" Cross and
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >What war crimes they have been ordinary soldiers.
>>
>> That is your version, but what is the truth? What is the truth
>> about SS man Knoll, who murdered Jews in Poland?
>
>First of all, Knoll wasn't an SS man.  Having said that, the Waffen SS
>fought honourably(mostly; at least as honourably as their allied
>counterparts).  Calling someone an SS man is not an insult.  It only
>insults those who are ill informed.  And only ill informed people
>would use this as an insult.
>
> 
>


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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:39:21 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Now you are really fabricating things i never did have a brother as a 
>soldier in Poland.

Why do you even bother with this cretin? I put him on a filter ages
ago.

>KK
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:2u-dnfY_Eu1MCBDXnZ2dnUVZ_jdi4p2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "keiner da" Cross and
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>What war crimes they have been ordinary soldiers.
>>
>> That is your version, but what is the truth? What is the truth
>> about SS man Knoll, who murdered Jews in Poland?
>>
>> None of your fabrications now, just the truth!
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that there are Holocaust victims' shoes
>> with soles made of plastic, as you claimed on April 3, 2009. You
>> were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that the Yale University Law "Avalon
>> Project" is "Jewish," as you claimed in August, 2008.  You
>> were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> claimed on July 3, 2008. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> as you have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion
>> that 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you
>> have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty,
>> exactly, prohibits the construction of Polish military
>> installations along the Polish Corridor, even though you
>> claim such a prohibition exists within the treaty. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies
>> and the post-war German & Japanese governments that banned
>> "butting" the Allies in "a bad light" as you have claimed.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether
>> or not materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are
>> available. You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of
>> newspapers printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>> You were lying.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their
>> claim about gassings at Dachau. You were lying about seeking
>> `the truth.
>>
>> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a
>> plaque exists outside the Dachau camp which states that no
>> one was ever gassed there, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion
>> of the Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust,"
>> as you have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the
>> truth" is so easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which
>> forbids "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as
>> you have claimed. You were lying.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> "Rumours also has it the letter was written on an unknown typewriter
>> in about 1950 but the letter was send to the state department about in 
>> 1940."
>> (Message-ID: m7_Ah.1010750$R63.692769@pd7urf1no, by Kurt Knoll, Kitimat,
>> B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar) 
>


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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:44:05 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 21, 12:41 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "Uebriges Mistvolk" Merit Badge and
>>
>>   wrote:
>> >Replying to a guy like Mcfuck is a waste of time. He is selling something
>> >what he wants others to believe he is part of the holocaust industries he
>> >wants us to believe their facts. Trust can not be bought it has to be
>> >earned.
>> >Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> Translation: I, a Leading Revisionist Scholar, do  not wish to address the crimes committed by SS man Knoll,
>> who was identified as a man who actively engaged in murdering Jews in Poland.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>> >news:556937f2-e18b-4033-9107-8a77897de960@k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> >On Aug 20, 2:28 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> >> In article ,
>> >> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> >> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat and Laughing
>> >> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> >> Tutu with the "keiner da" Cross and
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >What war crimes they have been ordinary soldiers.
>>
>> >> That is your version, but what is the truth? What is the truth
>> >> about SS man Knoll, who murdered Jews in Poland?
>>
>> >First of all, Knoll wasn't an SS man.  Having said that, the Waffen SS
>>
>> Gosh, how is it that SS man Knoll was identified, by eye-witnesses, as having been observed murdering Jews in
>> PolandÉ
>>
>> >fought honourably(mostly; at least as honourably as their allied
>> >counterparts).  Calling someone an SS man is not an insult.  It only
>> >insults those who are ill informed.  And only ill informed people
>> >would use this as an insult.
>>
>> The SS was known for the corruption within its ranks, not to mention its dedication to massive crimes against
>> humanity. Only an ignorant peasant would pretend that this is not so.
>>
>
>I could say the same about the crew of the Enola Gay.  Corrupt to the
>core to do what they did.  Committing massive crimes against
>humanity.  The Waffen SS kicked ass which is why they got their
>reputation blackened.  There is no pretending on my part.  What's the
>matter; you prejudiced against peasants now?

Mcfuck is prejudiced against anybody who expresses any doubt about his
horsepucky.

>
>> --
>> "People want to know all the facts whatever they are true
>> or not." (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar
>> and all-round moron.)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:52:41 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4582668,00.html

Countering German lackeys of the USA in Afghanistan is quite logical,
whereas attacking German civilians, especially in Germany itself, is
terrorism.

German soldiers have no business in Afghanistan and should be
withdrawn. The concept of German lackeys of the USA makes me want to
puke even more than the concept of Canadian lackeys of the USA.


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 19, 5:54 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:47:17 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>> >viestissä:trae8514m9t2gibmi3lu9ig91b2csvd...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:54:30 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>> >>  wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Poland is an historical failure. It really doesn't have much of a
>> >>>> history. It has always been one of the most ignorant and backward
>> >>>> parts of Europe, and sadly still is.
>>
>> >> Virtually ALL of the buildings in today's "Poland" that have any
>> >> historical value were built by Germans on whose land the Poles are
>> >> squatting. Poles tended to build in sticks and mud. Significant
>> >> buildings like the cathedral in Breslau or Danzig were the work of
>> >> German people.
>>
>> > When germans entered Warsaw in 1939 it was quite a beautiful city. When
>> >they were thrown out of there in 1945 it was just a big heap of rubbles.
>> >Significant german architecture in Poland can be seen in Birkenau. Barracks
>> >side by side.
>>
>> Incidentally, illiterate finnish clown, in English names like German
>> or Germany go with capitals. If you're going to write in English, then
>> write in proper English or fuck off.
>
>Toivo(Topi)is convinced that Germans are a beastly people.

Toivo is just another bigot complete with his pet hates.

Most Germanophobes that I have met in my life have been people such as
mcvay with IQs smaller than their shoe-size, and I suspect that Toivo
will fall well within that range also.



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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:17:05 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 21, 2:54 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Get real guy do you really believe the Germans have never been used as slave
>> labour. If you throw rocks yourself don't do it in a glass house.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>
>Toivo was some kind of special pupil at one time.  He seems to have
>some knowledge.  That knowledge though seems to be false knowledge
>much of the time.  Some people are educated beyond their intelligence.

You are right, Toivo's head appears to be full of shit.
>
>> "Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:4a8ec812$0$24787$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>> > viestissä:rdso85d60spkml0o0m1mhbu8eqi8bkj...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:47:17 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>> >>  wrote:
>>
>> > ?
>>
>> >>>Significant german architecture in Poland can be seen in Birkenau.
>> >>>Barracks
>> >>>side by side.
>>
>> >> Those were most likely the work of Polish workers, not buildings like
>> >> the cathedrals of Breslau or Danzig.
>>
>> > They were not Polish workers. They were slaves forced to build those
>> > blocks by their german (sic) masters.
>>
>> > Topi


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:43:39 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>American want demokratie but the can not do it without starting a war first. 

Kurt, the Americans have never had any interest in spreading democracy
in the world. American efforts over the last two hundred years have
been exclusively to make the world safe for exploitation by the USA.


>Never in my live have a nation that is so phony in their approach or could 
>it be they did learn in it from their Israeli masters. The have all kinds of 
>question or call it fabrications. While at the same time they hinder anyone 
>who dare to investigate their claims or fabrications.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:5lot8594l5sc11s9im0bmujmj71g2a8kuv@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:52:41 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4582668,00.html
>>
>> Countering German lackeys of the USA in Afghanistan is quite logical,
>> whereas attacking German civilians, especially in Germany itself, is
>> terrorism.
>>
>> German soldiers have no business in Afghanistan and should be
>> withdrawn. The concept of German lackeys of the USA makes me want to
>> puke even more than the concept of Canadian lackeys of the USA. 
>


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On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:19:38 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Aug 21, 3:20 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://europenews.dk/en/node/25515
>
>Mecca ist scheisse.

Man könnte das über alle Religionen sagen.






> Allowing them to build an asslifter palace there
>is foolish..


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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:13:32 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:gcro859vkvcavdpau2ab25o49i9nqsh4of@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:14 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>news:h_Bim.39549$Db2.2518@edtnps83...
>>>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated 
>>>> repeatedly."
>>>>
>>>> Says who.
>>>
>>>Those people who have examined Bacque's work and the sources he claims to
>>>have used.
>>
>> Eisenhower's hagiographers disagreed with Bacques, but that doesn't
>> exactly prove anything, except to your little mind, Patrick. Who are
>> these nameless, faceless people who have allegedly disproven Bacques,
>> and half a dozen other researchers?
>
>They aren't nameless or faceless, or hagiographers.   They are actual 
>historians who know how to use sources and statistics honestly, unlike 
>Bacque.   And many of them are quite critical of Eisenhower.
>
>You can start with Brian Loring Villa, who says of "Other Losses":
>
>""This (book) is cracked, top to bottom," says Brian Loring Villa, a 
>University of Ottawa specialist on the raid on Dieppe, France. "The Liberty 
>Bell looks like it just came out of the foundry compared to this""
>
>You can proceed to have a look at the book, "Eisenhower and the German 
>POWs - Facts against Falsehood", by eight historians headed by Gunter 
>Bischof,  and was reviewed by other historians including John Keegan, Russel 
>Weigley.  Other studies, such as those by Christof Strauss and Rudiger 
>Overmans, have further discredited Bacque's fantasies.   And there are other 
>historians such as Albert Cowdrey, who shows how Bacque got the ration 
>figures wrong.
>
>Bacque claimed that the NY Times book review published a review of his book, 
>under unusual circumstances.   In reality, they didn't.  The NY Times Review 
>published a research report on the findings of a conference in New Orleans 
>in 1990.   While the papers presented at this conference refuted Bacque's 
>claims, the NY Times Review article wasn't a review of Bacque's book.   But 
>Bacque couldn't tell the difference.
>
>Further, Bacque can't actually read many source documents or new research 
>papers - because they are in German, and he can not read German or Russian. 
>And since he can't read Russian, his claims to have examined documents from 
>KGB archives are more than a little suspect.

Material in the KGB archives is NOT suspect since it was never
intended to be seen by outsiders, unlike American showboat materials
>from Nuremberg which were created and intended as a propaganda
exercise to snow the public into believing the American propaganda
version of WW2.

It is FACT, that only 10,000 of the 95,000 German military personnel
captured at Stalingrad managed to survive the Soviet gulag system to
ever make it home. The American record is not dramatically better than
that, despite their protestations to the contrary.

Your list of "experts" is a catalogue of obscurity. It appears that
their only life achievement is to bash Bacques, but Bacques had no
political agenda, unlike these paid shills of the holocaust industry
who would presumably say anything their masters instructed them to
say. Compared to Bacques, your list of "experts" consists of virtual
unknowns whose scholarship and academic skills seem rather doubtful,
especially since their findings are so predictable and at total
variance with the life experiences of people who had relatives
imprisoned by the Americans and the French.

Whereas Bacques is totally consistent with the experiences of my
parents and grand-parents, the "findings" of your list of
counter-experts is only consistent with the propaganda requirements of
the holocaust industry.


>
>Bacque's book is an historical novel.
>
>Now, who are these half a dozen other researchers you  still can't name?
>
>-pk
>
>
>> b
>>>
>>>Which is, by the way, something *you* could do.
>>>
>>>Then you might understand why his arguments and arithmetic don't stand up.
>>>
>>>> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.
>>>
>>>> Here is what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in 
>>>> iks
>>>> death camp. Every morning they collect the death german soldiers bodies,
>>>> At one an American film grew came and took picture of the death German
>>>> prisoners piled up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust
>>>> show portrait as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>Sorry to tell you this, Kurt, but a 3rd hand account from you is not
>>>particularly convincing.
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because there
>>>>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied death
>>>>>>> camps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army
>>>>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in 
>>>>>> American
>>>>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a 
>>>>>> compliant
>>>>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by
>>>>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>>>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these
>>>>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, Col.
>>>>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes your
>>>>> claims seriously.
>>>>>
>>>>> -pk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, and
>>>>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" promote
>>>>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same 
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the
>>>>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers and
>>>>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military Governor,
>>>>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" with instructions
>>>>>> making it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It was
>>>>>> even a capital offence to gather food together in one place to take to
>>>>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ".Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the 
>>>>>> local
>>>>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who
>>>>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of
>>>>>> being shot."(1)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by
>>>>>> French guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect
>>>>>> this was a deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. 
>>>>>> Many
>>>>>> prisoners and German civilians saw American guards burn food that had
>>>>>> been brought to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who
>>>>>> described it recently: "At first, the women from the nearby town 
>>>>>> brought
>>>>>> food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away from 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned it."
>>>>>> (2)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 22, 1:13 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:19:38 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 21, 3:20 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >>http://europenews.dk/en/node/25515
>>
>> >Mecca ist scheisse.
>>
>> Man könnte das über alle Religionen sagen.
>>
>Christianity would be OK, if people would follow the teachings of
>Christ, more or less. 

Most of what Christ said would be good to use as a model, but most of
Christianity is a collection of stories, myths, and fables just like
all other religions.

> The problem is:  they don't for the most part.

>I remember when George Bush I announced the invasion of Kuwait; he
>said 'We are doing this for God and Country'.

In the past, I tended to regard Christianity as harmless nonsense, but
in the hands of people such as George and his son, it is an absolute
evil.

>  This is such bullshit.

It is indeed.

>Why would God wish the invasion of Kuwait?  How does Bush the foist
>know what God wants?  Most Christians are like...I don't know what,
>but many are war like.  I knew a Methodist preacher who claimed to
>know when killing was justified, and when it wasn't.  He didn't seem
>to mind the killing of Arabs/Palestinians.
>The best religion is this; it's the Golden Rule:  Do unto others as
>you would have them do unto you.
>If you are a brawler, then brawl away; but only with people of your
>mentality.  Leave the others out of your games.


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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:49:08 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2:24 am, Topaz  wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:47:53 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >Hitler admitted privately to some of his cronies that he inserted the
>> >word "socialist" in the name of his party to attract votes from the
>> >working class. He had no intention of actually following socialism.His
>> >financial support came from big business.
>>
>> "The Judge" admitted privately to some of his cronies that he just
>> makes things up, and he admitted that he has his head up his aft end,
>> figuratively speaking.
>>
>>   Here is excerpt from his memoirs General Leon Degrelle, former
>>  leader of the Belgian contingent of the Waffen-SS:
>>
>>   "One of the first labor reforms to benefit the German workers
>>  was the establishment of annual paid vacation. The Socialist French
>>  Popular Front, in 1936, would make a show of having invented the
>>  concept of paid vacation, and stingily at that, only one week per
>>  year. But Adolf Hitler originated the idea, and two or three times as
>>  generously, from the first month of his coming to power in 1933.
>>
>>   Every factory employee from then on would have the legal right
>>  to a paid vacation. Until then, in Germany paid holidays where they
>>  applied at all did not exceed four or five days, and nearly half the
>>  younger workers had no leave entitlement at all. Hitler, on the other
>>  hand, favored the younger  workers. Vacations were not handed out
>>  blindly, and the youngest workers were granted time off more
>>  generously. It was a humane action; a young person has more need of
>>  rest and fresh air for the development of his strength and vigor just
>>  coming into maturity. Basic vacation time was twelve
>>  days, and then from age 25 on it went up to 18 days. After ten years
>>  with the company, workers got 21 days, three times what the French
>>  socialists would grant the workers of their country in 1936.
>>
>>   These figures may have been surpassed in the more than half a
>>  century since then, but in 1933 they far exceeded European norms. As
>>  for overtime hours, they no longer were paid, as they were everywhere
>>  else in Europe at that time, at just the regular hourly rate. The
>> work
>>  day itself had been reduced to a tolerable norm of  eight hours,
>> since
>>  the forty-hour week as well, in Europe, was first initiated by
>> Hitler.
>>  And beyond that legal limit, each additional hour had to be paid at a
>>  considerably increased rate...
>>
>>   Dismissal of an employee was no longer left as before the
>>  sole discretion of the employer. In that era, workers' rights to job
>>  security were non-existent. Hitler saw to it that those rights were
>>  strictly spelled out. The employer had to announce any dismissal four
>>  weeks in advance. The employee then had a period of up to two months
>>  in which to lodge a protest. The dismissal could also be annulled by
>>  the Honor of Work Tribunal. What was the Honor of Work Tribunal? Also
>>  called the Tribunal of Social Honor, it was the third of the three
>>  great elements or layers of protection and defense that were to the
>>  benefit of every German worker. The first was the Council
>>  of Trust. The second was the Labor Commission.
>>
>>   The Council of Trust was charged with attending to the
>>  establishment and the development of a real community spirit between
>>  management and labor. In any business enterprise, the Reich law
>>  stated, the employer and head of the enterprise, the employees and
>>  workers, personnel of the enterprise, shall work jointly towards the
>>  goal of the enterprise and the common good of
>>  the nation...
>>
>>   Thus from 1933 on, the German worker had a system of justice
>>  at his disposal that was created especially for him and would
>>  adjudicate all grave infractions of the social duties based on the
>>  idea of the Aryan enterprise community. Examples of these violations
>>  of social honor are cases  where the employer, abusing his power,
>>  displayed ill will towards his staff or impugned the honor of his
>>  subordinates, cases where staff members threatened work harmony by
>>  spiteful agitation; the publication by members of the Council of
>>  confidential information regarding the enterprise which they
>>  became cognizant of in the course of discharging their duties.
>>  Thirteen Tribunes of Social Honor were established, corresponding
>> with
>>  the thirteen commissions...
>>
>>   From then on the worker knew that exploitation of his physical
>>  strength in bad faith or offending his honor would no longer be
>>  allowed. He had to fulfill certain obligations to the community, but
>>  they were obligations that applied to all members of the enterprise,
>>  from the chief executive down to the messenger boy. Germany's workers
>>  at last had clearly established social rights that were arbitrated by
>>  a Labor Commission and enforced by a Tribunal of Honor. Although
>>  effected in an atmosphere of justice and moderation, it was a
>>  revolution.
>>
>>   This was only the end of 1933, and already the first effects
>>  could be felt. The factories and shops large and small were reformed
>>  or transformed in conformity with the strictest standards of
>>  cleanliness and hygiene; the interior areas, so often dilapidated,
>>  opened to light; playing fields constructed; rest areas made
>> available
>>  where one could converse at one's ease and relax during rest periods;
>>  employee cafeterias; proper dressing rooms.
>>
>>   With time, that is to say in three years, those achievements
>>  would take on dimensions never before imagined; more than 2,000
>>  factories refitted and beautified; 23,000 work premises modernized;
>>  800 buildings designed exclusively for meetings; 1,200 playing
>> fields;
>>  13,000 sanitary facilities with running water; 17,000 cafeterias.
>>  Eight hundred departmental inspectors and 17,300 local inspectors
>>  would foster and closely and continuously supervise these renovations
>>  and installations.
>>
>>   The large industrial establishments moreover had been given
>>  the obligation of preparing areas not only suitable for sports
>>  activities of all kinds, but provided with swimming pools as well.
>>  Germany had come a long way from the sinks for washing one's face and
>>  the dead tired workers, grown old before their time, crammed into
>>  squalid courtyards during work breaks.
>>
>>   In order to ensure the natural development of the working
>>  class, physical education courses were instituted for the younger
>>  workers; 8,000 such were organized. Technical training would be
>>  equally emphasized, with the creation of hundreds of work schools,
>>  technical courses and examinations of professional competence, and
>>  competitive examinations for the best workers for which large prizes
>>  were awarded.
>>
>>   To rejuvenate young and old alike, Hitler ordered that a
>>  gigantic vacation organization for workers be set up. Hundreds of
>>  thousands of workers would be able every summer to relax on the
>>  sea. Magnificent cruise ships would be built. Special trains would
>>  carry vacationers to the mountains and to the seashore. The
>>  locomotives that hauled the innumerable worker-tourists in
>>  just a few years of travel in Germany would log a distance equivalent
>>  to fifty-four times around the world!
>>
>>   The cost of these popular excursions was nearly insignificant,
>>  thanks to greatly reduced rates authorized by the Reichsbank.
>>
>>   Didn't these reforms lack something? Were some of them flawed
>>  by errors and blunders? It is possible. But what did a blunder amount
>>  to alongside the immense gains?
>>
>>   That this transformation of the working class smacked of
>>  authoritarianism? That's exactly right. But the German people were
>>  sick and tired of socialism and anarchy. To feel commanded didn't
>>  bother them a bit. In fact, people have always liked having a strong
>>  man guide them. One thing for certain is that the turn of mind of the
>>  working class, which was still almost two-thirds non-Nazi in 1933,
>> had
>>  completely changed.
>>
>>   The Belgian author Marcel Laloire would note: "When you make
>>  your way through the cities of Germany and go into the working-class
>>  districts, go through the factories, the construction yards, you are
>>  astonished to find so many workers on the job sporting the Hitler
>>  insignia, to see so many  flags with the Swastika, black on a bright
>>  red background, in the most populous districts." The Labor Front that
>>  Hitler imposed on all of the workers and employers of the Reich was
>>  for the most part received with favor.
>>
>>   And already the steel spades of the sturdy young lads of the
>>  National Labor Service could be seen gleaming along the highways. The
>>  National Labor Service had been created by Hitler out of thin air to
>>  bring together for a few months in absolute equality, and in the same
>>  uniform, both the sons of millionaires and the sons of the poorest
>>  families. All had to perform the same work and were subject to the
>>  same discipline, even the same pleasures and the same physical and
>>  moral development. On the same construction sites and in the same
>>  living quarters, they had become conscious of their commonality, had
>>  come to understand one another, and had swept away their
>>  old prejudices of class and caste. After this hitch in the National
>>  Labor Service they all began to live as comrades, the workers knowing
>>  that the rich man's son was not a monster, and the young lad from the
>>  wealthy family knowing that the worker's son had honor just
>>  like any other young fellow who had been more generously
>>  favored by birth. Social hatred was disappearing, and a socially
>>  united people was being born.
>>
>>   Hitler could already go into factories, something no man of the
>>  so-called Right before him would have risked doing, and hold forth to
>>  the mob of workers, tens of thousands of them at a time, as in the
>>  Siemens works. In contrast to the von Papens and other country
>>  gentlemen, he might tell them, "In my youth I was a worker like you.
>>  And in my heart of hearts, I have remained what I was then." In the
>>  course of his twelve years in power, no incident ever occurred at any
>>  factory Adolf Hitler ever visited. When Hitler was among the people,
>>  he was at home, and he was received like the member of
>>  the
>> ...
>>
>> read more »
>
>Socialism means public ownership and control of industry, dimwit. Show
>me how Hitler nationalized the factories. You really are that stupid?

He didn't.



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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:48 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 22, 4:36 pm, George  wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 5:39 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > #7; it's obvious it was brought down.  The other two; planes and fires
>> > never brought them down.  So where does that leave us?  Weapons we
>> > have not heard of, or controlled demo vis a vis thermite, thermate...
>>
>> The world watched 911.
>> We all saw the disaster as it happened on TV news.
>> Sane rational people saw the airliners hit the towers, saw the debris
>> dropping from the towers onto the surrounding buildings.
>> Saw the total collapse of the towers onto the surrounding buildings.
>> Saw the damaged Pentagon and the Shanksville crash site.
>> Thermite or thermate or nanothermite is not used for demolition. It
>> was something thought up by the same kook who tried to invent cold
>> fusion.
>> There were no explosions after the aircraft impacts.
>> You are demonstrating (as usual) that nazis are uneducated mindless
>> followers of fools and madmen
>
>I've been accused of being a nazi twice today already.

Don't worry about George-babble. It is just the way this moron talks
and it means abolutely nothing.

>  I saw the
>whole thing and am astounded that the buildings came down the way they
>did from aircraft/fires and in the case of #7, from a few small fires
>and flying debris.  Never happened before, or since and THEY can't
>explain how it happened, but 'they' say it did happen.  Evidence?
>'We're from the government and we don't need no stinkin' evidence.'


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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:56:20 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti >
>>
>> You are right, Toivo's head appears to be full of shit.
>>>
>>You seem to be an illiterate finnish arsehole, topi, and if you keep
>it up you will be placed on a filter.
>>
>>
>>Toivo is just another bigot complete with his pet hates.
>
>>Most Germanophobes that I have met in my life have been people such as
>>mcvay with IQs smaller than their shoe-size, and I suspect that Toivo
>>will fall well within that range also.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Poland is an historical failure. It really doesn't have much of a
>>>>> history. It has always been one of the most ignorant and backward
>>>>> parts of Europe, and sadly still is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Virtually ALL of the buildings in today's "Poland" that have any
>>> historical value were built by Germans on whose land the Poles are
>>> squatting. Poles tended to build in sticks and mud. Significant
>>> buildings like the cathedral in Breslau or Danzig were the work of
>>> German people.
>
>>>>Incidentally, illiterate finnish clown, in English names like German
>>or Germany go with capitals. If you're going to write in English, then
>
>Calm down, Frankenstein.
>For some reason it is difficult to dabate the holocaust without mentioning 
>the word "german". In this thread I only said that they stole the Tlomacka 
>library in Warsaw, and demolished the city. That doesn´t show any 
>germanophobia.
>You, on the contrary seem to feel deep hatred toward Poland and the Polish 
>people.  Your English may go by the grammar but the words You use You must 
>have learned in the back alleys, seamens pubs and brothels of Liverpool.

The fact that you seem to know what the "shift-key" does when you
write Polish or Poland, but its use apparently escapes you when it
comes to talking about Germans or Germany shows you quite clearly to
be an illiterate anti-German racist fuckwit. I really have no time for
you.

>
>Topi
>
>
>


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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 22, 7:32 pm, I'll Always Be 21/08/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> > ews.com>,
>>  "Patrick Keenan" 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>> >news:c7f5ef22-f5ed-4f50-9d76-e8f69216d989@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 22, 4:36 pm, George  wrote:
>> > > On Aug 23, 5:39 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > #7; it's obvious it was brought down. The other two; planes and fires
>> > > > never brought them down. So where does that leave us? Weapons we
>> > > > have not heard of, or controlled demo vis a vis thermite, thermate...
>>
>> > > The world watched 911.
>> > > We all saw the disaster as it happened on TV news.
>> > > Sane rational people saw the airliners hit the towers, saw the debris
>> > > dropping from the towers onto the surrounding buildings.
>> > > Saw the total collapse of the towers onto the surrounding buildings.
>> > > Saw the damaged Pentagon and the Shanksville crash site.
>> > > Thermite or thermate or nanothermite is not used for demolition. It
>> > > was something thought up by the same kook who tried to invent cold
>> > > fusion.
>> > > There were no explosions after the aircraft impacts.
>> > > You are demonstrating (as usual) that nazis are uneducated mindless
>> > > followers of fools and madmen
>>
>> > I've been accused of being a nazi twice today already.  I saw the
>> > whole thing and am astounded that the buildings came down the way they
>> > did from aircraft/fires and in the case of #7, from a few small fires
>> > and flying debris.  Never happened before, or since and THEY can't
>> > explain how it happened, but 'they' say it did happen.  Evidence?
>> > 'We're from the government and we don't need no stinkin' evidence.'
>>
>> > ================
>>
>> > Meanwhile, in the world of physical reality, "THEY" can explain - and *have*
>> > explained,  and in great detail - how the collapse of WTC7 happened.
>>
>> > You *could* check in the official reports (starting here:
>> >http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm)  but I
>> > doubt that would fit with your world view.
>>
>> > I expect that you will, as usual, reject the science that shows how
>> > uninformed and groundless your suggestions are.
>>
>> > -pk
>>
>> Well, he is a leading revisionist
>> scholar and worships a horse
>
>I'm not a revisionist scholar neither leading or otherwise, and I
>don't worship a horse.

Religious superstitions are more the province of "I'll always be". The
handle really ought to be enlarged to say "I'll always be stupid".



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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:16:12 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:lr%jm.42346$PH1.21682@edtnps82...
>> Basically Patrick I would say your are a symbol of dishonesty and deceit.
>
>I think what you're really trying to say is that you can't find any real 
>support for Bacque, and you know it.

You have nothing concrete to indicate that his position is incorrect,
other than that he disagrees with your perpetual white-wash of allied
crimes.

>
>
>
>> I would also say it is the main goal of the holocaust industries to 
>> discredit anyone who dare to question your holocaust come hell or high 
>> water.As I said before I did have a friend of mine in Eisenhower's death 
>> camp who told me all about it before the book came out. Definitely by 
>> watching all your show cases on can see how desperate you people are to 
>> force holocaust product to anyone whatever they like it or not. Can you 
>> tell us why the Germans are not allowed to get a second opinion by ask 
>> question and trying to compare what others are saying. Definitely the 
>> Germans are not allowed to look for a second opinion mainly because the 
>> German press is not allowed to print anything that would but the allies 
>> into a bad light. When it is about histories all we ever know is the 
>> American and Jewish version of it.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:r4WdnfWvbqxo5g3XnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>>> news:gcro859vkvcavdpau2ab25o49i9nqsh4of@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:14 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:h_Bim.39549$Db2.2518@edtnps83...
>>>>>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated 
>>>>>> repeatedly."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Says who.
>>>>>
>>>>>Those people who have examined Bacque's work and the sources he claims 
>>>>>to
>>>>>have used.
>>>>
>>>> Eisenhower's hagiographers disagreed with Bacques, but that doesn't
>>>> exactly prove anything, except to your little mind, Patrick. Who are
>>>> these nameless, faceless people who have allegedly disproven Bacques,
>>>> and half a dozen other researchers?
>>>
>>> They aren't nameless or faceless, or hagiographers.   They are actual 
>>> historians who know how to use sources and statistics honestly, unlike 
>>> Bacque.   And many of them are quite critical of Eisenhower.
>>>
>>> You can start with Brian Loring Villa, who says of "Other Losses":
>>>
>>> ""This (book) is cracked, top to bottom," says Brian Loring Villa, a 
>>> University of Ottawa specialist on the raid on Dieppe, France. "The 
>>> Liberty Bell looks like it just came out of the foundry compared to 
>>> this""
>>>
>>> You can proceed to have a look at the book, "Eisenhower and the German 
>>> POWs - Facts against Falsehood", by eight historians headed by Gunter 
>>> Bischof,  and was reviewed by other historians including John Keegan, 
>>> Russel Weigley.  Other studies, such as those by Christof Strauss and 
>>> Rudiger Overmans, have further discredited Bacque's fantasies.   And 
>>> there are other historians such as Albert Cowdrey, who shows how Bacque 
>>> got the ration figures wrong.
>>>
>>> Bacque claimed that the NY Times book review published a review of his 
>>> book, under unusual circumstances.   In reality, they didn't.  The NY 
>>> Times Review published a research report on the findings of a conference 
>>> in New Orleans in 1990.   While the papers presented at this conference 
>>> refuted Bacque's claims, the NY Times Review article wasn't a review of 
>>> Bacque's book.   But Bacque couldn't tell the difference.
>>>
>>> Further, Bacque can't actually read many source documents or new research 
>>> papers - because they are in German, and he can not read German or 
>>> Russian. And since he can't read Russian, his claims to have examined 
>>> documents from KGB archives are more than a little suspect.
>>>
>>> Bacque's book is an historical novel.
>>>
>>> Now, who are these half a dozen other researchers you  still can't name?
>>>
>>> -pk
>>>
>>>
>>>> b
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is, by the way, something *you* could do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you might understand why his arguments and arithmetic don't stand 
>>>>>up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in 
>>>>>> iks
>>>>>> death camp. Every morning they collect the death german soldiers 
>>>>>> bodies,
>>>>>> At one an American film grew came and took picture of the death German
>>>>>> prisoners piled up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust
>>>>>> show portrait as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry to tell you this, Kurt, but a 3rd hand account from you is not
>>>>>particularly convincing.
>>>>>
>>>>>-pk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because 
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied 
>>>>>>>>> death
>>>>>>>>> camps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army
>>>>>>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in 
>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a 
>>>>>>>> compliant
>>>>>>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled 
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>>>>>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these
>>>>>>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, 
>>>>>>> Col.
>>>>>>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated 
>>>>>>> repeatedly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes 
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> claims seriously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -pk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" 
>>>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same 
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the
>>>>>>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military 
>>>>>>>> Governor,
>>>>>>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" with instructions
>>>>>>>> making it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It 
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> even a capital offence to gather food together in one place to take 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ".Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the 
>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who
>>>>>>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this 
>>>>>>>> blockade to
>>>>>>>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> being shot."(1)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by
>>>>>>>> French guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect
>>>>>>>> this was a deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war. 
>>>>>>>> Many
>>>>>>>> prisoners and German civilians saw American guards burn food that 
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> been brought to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who
>>>>>>>> described it recently: "At first, the women from the nearby town 
>>>>>>>> brought
>>>>>>>> food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away from 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned 
>>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>> (2)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:17:24 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:g3l2955bf06nj3vi8ng49uqa3jenc0lgjj@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:13:32 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:gcro859vkvcavdpau2ab25o49i9nqsh4of@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:14 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:h_Bim.39549$Db2.2518@edtnps83...
>>>>>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated
>>>>>> repeatedly."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Says who.
>>>>>
>>>>>Those people who have examined Bacque's work and the sources he claims 
>>>>>to
>>>>>have used.
>>>>
>>>> Eisenhower's hagiographers disagreed with Bacques, but that doesn't
>>>> exactly prove anything, except to your little mind, Patrick. Who are
>>>> these nameless, faceless people who have allegedly disproven Bacques,
>>>> and half a dozen other researchers?
>>>
>>>They aren't nameless or faceless, or hagiographers.   They are actual
>>>historians who know how to use sources and statistics honestly, unlike
>>>Bacque.   And many of them are quite critical of Eisenhower.
>>>
>>>You can start with Brian Loring Villa, who says of "Other Losses":
>>>
>>>""This (book) is cracked, top to bottom," says Brian Loring Villa, a
>>>University of Ottawa specialist on the raid on Dieppe, France. "The 
>>>Liberty
>>>Bell looks like it just came out of the foundry compared to this""
>>>
>>>You can proceed to have a look at the book, "Eisenhower and the German
>>>POWs - Facts against Falsehood", by eight historians headed by Gunter
>>>Bischof,  and was reviewed by other historians including John Keegan, 
>>>Russel
>>>Weigley.  Other studies, such as those by Christof Strauss and Rudiger
>>>Overmans, have further discredited Bacque's fantasies.   And there are 
>>>other
>>>historians such as Albert Cowdrey, who shows how Bacque got the ration
>>>figures wrong.
>>>
>>>Bacque claimed that the NY Times book review published a review of his 
>>>book,
>>>under unusual circumstances.   In reality, they didn't.  The NY Times 
>>>Review
>>>published a research report on the findings of a conference in New Orleans
>>>in 1990.   While the papers presented at this conference refuted Bacque's
>>>claims, the NY Times Review article wasn't a review of Bacque's book. 
>>>But
>>>Bacque couldn't tell the difference.
>>>
>>>Further, Bacque can't actually read many source documents or new research
>>>papers - because they are in German, and he can not read German or 
>>>Russian.
>>>And since he can't read Russian, his claims to have examined documents 
>>>from
>>>KGB archives are more than a little suspect.
>>
>> Material in the KGB archives is NOT suspect since it was never
>
>So you don't understand what was written.

I don't have to understand Russian or read it. Nobody, and I repeat
NOBODY, keeps false information in archives intended for themselves.
It is different if archives are open to the public, since then
propaganda needs also play a role.

>
>Perhaps you might have someone explain it to you.
>
>
>
>
>> intended to be seen by outsiders, unlike American showboat materials
>> from Nuremberg which were created and intended as a propaganda
>> exercise to snow the public into believing the American propaganda
>> version of WW2.
>>
>> It is FACT, that only 10,000 of the 95,000 German military personnel
>> captured at Stalingrad managed to survive the Soviet gulag system to
>> ever make it home. The American record is not dramatically better than
>> that, despite their protestations to the contrary.
>>
>> Your list of "experts" is a catalogue of obscurity. It appears that
>> their only life achievement is to bash Bacques, but Bacques had no
>> political agenda, unlike these paid shills of the holocaust industry
>> who would presumably say anything their masters instructed them to
>> say. Compared to Bacques, your list of "experts" consists of virtual
>> unknowns whose scholarship and academic skills seem rather doubtful,
>> especially since their findings are so predictable and at total
>> variance with the life experiences of people who had relatives
>> imprisoned by the Americans and the French.
>>
>> Whereas Bacques is totally consistent with the experiences of my
>> parents and grand-parents, the "findings" of your list of
>> counter-experts is only consistent with the propaganda requirements of
>> the holocaust industry.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Bacque's book is an historical novel.
>>>
>>>Now, who are these half a dozen other researchers you  still can't name?
>>>
>>>-pk
>>>
>>>
>>>> b
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is, by the way, something *you* could do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you might understand why his arguments and arithmetic don't stand 
>>>>>up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was in
>>>>>> iks
>>>>>> death camp. Every morning they collect the death german soldiers 
>>>>>> bodies,
>>>>>> At one an American film grew came and took picture of the death German
>>>>>> prisoners piled up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a holocaust
>>>>>> show portrait as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry to tell you this, Kurt, but a 3rd hand account from you is not
>>>>>particularly convincing.
>>>>>
>>>>>-pk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are there
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because 
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied 
>>>>>>>>> death
>>>>>>>>> camps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army
>>>>>>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in
>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a
>>>>>>>> compliant
>>>>>>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled 
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>>>>>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for these
>>>>>>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context, 
>>>>>>> Col.
>>>>>>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated 
>>>>>>> repeatedly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes 
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> claims seriously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -pk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it, 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists" 
>>>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the
>>>>>>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military 
>>>>>>>> Governor,
>>>>>>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" with instructions
>>>>>>>> making it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It 
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> even a capital offence to gather food together in one place to take 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ".Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the
>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who
>>>>>>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this 
>>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> being shot."(1)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by
>>>>>>>> French guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In effect
>>>>>>>> this was a deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of war.
>>>>>>>> Many
>>>>>>>> prisoners and German civilians saw American guards burn food that 
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> been brought to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner who
>>>>>>>> described it recently: "At first, the women from the nearby town
>>>>>>>> brought
>>>>>>>> food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned 
>>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>> (2)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 
>


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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT), "For England, My England"
 wrote:

>Author Sebastian Faulks risks Muslim fury by describing the Koran as
>the 'depressing rantings of a schizophrenic'
>
>The author of Birdsong and Engleby also claimed that, compared to the
>Bible, the Islamic holy scripture is 'barren'.

Let's be realistic. They are both a collection of myths and fables.

>
>Faulks, who turned to the Koran while researching his latest novel,
>said: 'It’s a depressing book. It really is. It’s just the rantings of
>a schizophrenic. It’s very one-dimensional, and people talk about the
>beauty of the Arabic and so on, but the English translation I read
>was, from a literary point of view, very disappointing.
>
>'There is also the barrenness of the message,' he told The Sunday
>Times. 'I mean, there are some bits about diet, you know, the
>equivalent of the Old Testament, which is also crazy.
>
>'But the great thing about the Old Testament is that it does have
>these incredible stories. Of the 100 greatest stories ever told, 99
>are probably in the Old Testament and the other is in Homer.
>
>'With the Koran there are no stories. And it has no ethical dimension
>like the New Testament, no new plan for life. It says ‘the Jews and
>the Christians were along the right tracks, but actually, they were
>wrong and I’m right, and if you don’t believe me, tough — you’ll burn
>for ever'. That’s basically the message of the book.'
>
>Faulks read the Koran to help him write A Week in December, which will
>be published next month.
>
>The novel, which is set in present-day London, has a cast of
>characters including the wife of Britain's youngest MP, a female Tube
>train driver, a hedge fund manager and a Glasgow-born Islamic
>terrorist recruit.
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208629/Author-Sebastian-Faulks-risks-Muslim-fury-describing-Koran-depressing-rantings-schizophrenic.html


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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:31:55 +1200, "PB1952"  wrote:

>Heinrich wrote:
>:: “A Jew is entitled to extract the liver from a goy if he needs it,
>:: for the life of a Jew is more valuable than the life of a goy.
>:: Likewise, the life of a goy is more valuable than the life of an
>:: animal,” – Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzberg.
>
>One  Rabbi says it and therefore it's true?
>Pull the other one.

I too would tend to write off the comment as the rantings of an
isolated nut, but I have heard too many "settlers" in the occupied
territories talk the same way. It is obviously the mind-set of a great
many Israelis, and it is pretty pathetic.

>
>::
>:: Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt has rejected Israeli calls for
>:: official condemnation of the so-called ”anti-Semitic” story
>:: published by Sweden’s newspaper Aftonbladet that “Israeli troops
>:: stole and then sold the organs of Palestinians who died in custody
>:: in early 1990s”. He reminded Israeli leaders that “freedom of
>:: expression is a cornerstone of democracy”. Carl Bidt also showed his
>:: displeasure over Swedish Ambassador, Elisabet Borslin Bonnier’s
>:: statement towing Israeli line on the issue. Her Jewish family owns
>:: Sweden’s mainstream media. She, earlier, had equated the article to
>:: the old Christians’ Blood Libel against the Jews – which
>:: Italian-Israeli Jewish historian, professor Ariel Toaff in his 2007
>:: book ‘Pasque di Sangue (Bloody Passovers)’ admitted being a fact.
>:: But we all know that Zionists have never believed in ‘freedom of
>:: expression’ or ‘democracy’ when it’s critical of Israel.
>::
>:: The editor of the paper, Jan Helin, responded to Israeli accusations
>:: by saying: “It’s deeply unpleasant and sad to see such a strong
>:: propaganda machine using centuries-old anti-Semitic images in an
>:: apparent attempt to get an obviously topical issue off the table”.
>::
>:: Avigdor Lieberman, Israel FM – made his own stupid ‘Jew-hating
>:: Swedish’ remark, saying: “The article was part of defaming the Jews…
>:: Sweden did nothing while Nazis were killing the Jews.” Now, I am
>:: sure that it would be waste of my time to remind the Zionist thug
>:: that 150,000 German Jews were part of the Nazi Army.
>::
>:: Israel is planning some actions to teach the Swedes some lessons
>:: about the ‘Freedom of Expression’, ‘Democracy’, and ‘for making
>:: political wrong statement’. First of it may cancel Carl Bildt’s
>:: schedule visit to Israel, sue the author of the article, Donald
>:: Bostrom, and recall its Ambassador, Benny Dagan, from Sweden. In
>:: February, Benny was hit by shoes and books during his speech at the
>:: Stockholm University when he deviated from the topic of his speech
>:: and started spreading Zionist propaganda lies about Hamas and
>:: Islamic Iran.
>::
>:: On November 12, 1985, Israeli paper Yediot Acharonot published Dr.
>:: Hertzel Rosenblum’s article about the large numbers of Jewish
>:: children from Yemen missing in Israel. Most of them were never
>:: recovered. They were allegedly sold for adoption in foreign
>:: countries or used for the organ transplantation.
>::
>:: On December 12, 2001 – Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Romanian
>:: authorities are looking into possible links between Israeli adoption
>:: agencies and an illegal global conspiracy to sell organs for
>:: transplant.
>::
>:: In 2001 Sue Lloyd Roberts of BBC – reoprted the illegal organ trade
>:: between Moldova and Israel.
>::
>:: Israel-Russian writer, Israel Shamir, in his latest article entitled
>:: Body Snatchers Are Back - has exposed several other incidents of
>:: Israeli and Jewish involvement in this inhuman activity. For example:
>::
>:: 1. Last July, several rabbis were arrested for being involved in
>:: human organ trafficking and money laundering in the US. The human
>:: organs trade linked the criminals to Israel.
>::
>:: 2. American Jewish doctor in Abu Ghraib torture facility was
>:: reported for removing kidneys out of live suffering Arab prisoners –
>:: which were then sent to Tel Aviv for transplant. The incident was
>:: documented in Turkish movie Valley of the Wolves2.
>::
>:: 3. In April 2007 – Israel’s top transplant surgeon, Zaki Shapira, was
>:: arrested in Turkey on charges of organ trafficking.
>::
>:: 4. On May 23, 2004 – Jewish-owned The New York Times – reported an
>:: Israeli organ trafficking ring active from South Africa to Brazil.
>::
>:: 5. In February Brazilian authorities arrested two Israelis, Gedalaya
>:: Tauber and Eliezer Ramon for trafficking human organs.
>::
>:: 6. In July 2007 – An organ snatcher Israeli ring was captures in
>:: Ukraine.
>::
>:: 
>http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/when-the-truth-becomes-anti-semitism/
>
>--?
>PB1952@gmail.com 


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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:06:02 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Will the jews set him free ???.

That isn't their petty vengeful style.

>kk
>
>"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message 
>news:tqt7959g2571ib58ihurr4t7kbr28vvte3@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:55:53 +1200, "PB1952"  wrote:
>>
>>>Daniel Bernard wrote:
>>>:: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:29:27 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>>::  wrote:
>>>::
>>>::: Bernie Madoff had little to lose by confessing to masterminding the
>>>::: world's biggest Ponzi scheme -- he's dying of cancer, sources told
>>>::: The Post.
>>>:::
>>>:: He is angling for release on compassionate grounds.
>>>
>>>It won't happen, nor should it. Madoff admitted his guilt, there is no
>>>question of it.
>>>
>> Since when does a persons guilt have any bearing on a release due to
>> compassionate grounds?
>>>::
>>>:: See what the Sweaty Socks have started by releasing al-Megrahi?
>>>
>>>The British Government  would have done the same, they released Ronald 
>>>Biggs
>>>on compassionate grounds last week. Remember?
>>>
>> Biggs is ill.
>>
>> Al-Megrahi is ill.
>>
>> Madoff is probably faking it à la Earnest Schleyer. It's a fair bet he
>> came up with the idea when he heard al-Megrahi was angling for release
>> due to terminal cancer.
>> --
>> amicalement,
>>
>> Daniel
>> http://www.toutsaufsarkozy.com/ 
>


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:40:24 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 26, 7:33 pm, I'll Always Be 26/08/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> ,
>>  "Truthseeker" 
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Yea like the two atomic bombs having been used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>>
>
>We are talking about the haters of children who justify child death in
>Japan.  You are one of them; a sniveling little putrid turd.  I never
>realized just how small you were until I read the post concerning your
>justification for the killing of children.  You have no shame
>whatsoever.

The persona "I'll always be stupid" is just that, stupid.

>
>>
>>
>> > KK
>>
>> > "albertus>:< magnus XLIV."  wrote in message
>> >news:7fl019F2hvi20U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> > > "Truthseeker"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> > >news:Z4alm.40726$Db2.25396@edtnps83...
>> > >> And yes the Germans are geniuses. The can cremate Jewish bodies in only
>> > >> 15 minutes and can fill up a room with 2000 people where they never fit
>> > >> in there. And manage to seen gas pellets thru shower head where nobody
>> > >> knows exactly how it is done.
>> > >> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> > > Hi Kurt, it is possible to cremate you in  15 seconds only. What do you
>> > > think about this great message?
>>
>> > >> "LIBERATOR"  wrote in message
>> > >>news:6639557a-086c-46eb-9178-0c54dab081ee@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> > >>> Leni showed the holocaust was proven to be untrue by the Jews being
>> > >>> shot through the floorboards.
>>
>> > >>> Now remember how illogical the holocaust is, the Germans supposedly
>> > >>> gathered up the Jews by traveling to where they were, took them
>> > >>> prisoner, took them back to camp, then executed them.
>>
>> > >>> Boy that's a lot of work to do when you could have just shot them
>> > >>> through the floorboards.
>>
>> > >>> Ahh, you all missed that message she did - for me.


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:02:28 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:ujl795lm8snsgt12n9bhd2gm66mbgu3a4e@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:17:24 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:g3l2955bf06nj3vi8ng49uqa3jenc0lgjj@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:13:32 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:gcro859vkvcavdpau2ab25o49i9nqsh4of@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:14 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:h_Bim.39549$Db2.2518@edtnps83...
>>>>>>>> "Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated
>>>>>>>> repeatedly."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Says who.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Those people who have examined Bacque's work and the sources he claims
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>have used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eisenhower's hagiographers disagreed with Bacques, but that doesn't
>>>>>> exactly prove anything, except to your little mind, Patrick. Who are
>>>>>> these nameless, faceless people who have allegedly disproven Bacques,
>>>>>> and half a dozen other researchers?
>>>>>
>>>>>They aren't nameless or faceless, or hagiographers.   They are actual
>>>>>historians who know how to use sources and statistics honestly, unlike
>>>>>Bacque.   And many of them are quite critical of Eisenhower.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can start with Brian Loring Villa, who says of "Other Losses":
>>>>>
>>>>>""This (book) is cracked, top to bottom," says Brian Loring Villa, a
>>>>>University of Ottawa specialist on the raid on Dieppe, France. "The
>>>>>Liberty
>>>>>Bell looks like it just came out of the foundry compared to this""
>>>>>
>>>>>You can proceed to have a look at the book, "Eisenhower and the German
>>>>>POWs - Facts against Falsehood", by eight historians headed by Gunter
>>>>>Bischof,  and was reviewed by other historians including John Keegan,
>>>>>Russel
>>>>>Weigley.  Other studies, such as those by Christof Strauss and Rudiger
>>>>>Overmans, have further discredited Bacque's fantasies.   And there are
>>>>>other
>>>>>historians such as Albert Cowdrey, who shows how Bacque got the ration
>>>>>figures wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bacque claimed that the NY Times book review published a review of his
>>>>>book,
>>>>>under unusual circumstances.   In reality, they didn't.  The NY Times
>>>>>Review
>>>>>published a research report on the findings of a conference in New 
>>>>>Orleans
>>>>>in 1990.   While the papers presented at this conference refuted 
>>>>>Bacque's
>>>>>claims, the NY Times Review article wasn't a review of Bacque's book.
>>>>>But
>>>>>Bacque couldn't tell the difference.
>>>>>
>>>>>Further, Bacque can't actually read many source documents or new 
>>>>>research
>>>>>papers - because they are in German, and he can not read German or
>>>>>Russian.
>>>>>And since he can't read Russian, his claims to have examined documents
>>>>>from
>>>>>KGB archives are more than a little suspect.
>>>>
>>>> Material in the KGB archives is NOT suspect since it was never
>>>
>>>So you don't understand what was written.
>>
>> I don't have to understand Russian or read it. Nobody, and I repeat
>> NOBODY, keeps false information in archives intended for themselves.
>> It is different if archives are open to the public, since then
>> propaganda needs also play a role.
>
>And you still don't get it.
>
>I suggest you ask someone to explain this to you.
>
>And while you're doing that, perhaps you can post the names of those 
>half-dozen "researchers" you claim support Bacque's fantasies.

Unlike you, Bacques had no reason to fantasize. His material is
consistent with the experiences of my parents and grand-parents,
whereas your apologetics are not. Besides, Bacques is the author of at
least two books, whereas your life achievements could easily be
scribbled on the back of a small postage stamp.

Give it a fucking rest.

>
>-pk
>
>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps you might have someone explain it to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> intended to be seen by outsiders, unlike American showboat materials
>>>> from Nuremberg which were created and intended as a propaganda
>>>> exercise to snow the public into believing the American propaganda
>>>> version of WW2.
>>>>
>>>> It is FACT, that only 10,000 of the 95,000 German military personnel
>>>> captured at Stalingrad managed to survive the Soviet gulag system to
>>>> ever make it home. The American record is not dramatically better than
>>>> that, despite their protestations to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Your list of "experts" is a catalogue of obscurity. It appears that
>>>> their only life achievement is to bash Bacques, but Bacques had no
>>>> political agenda, unlike these paid shills of the holocaust industry
>>>> who would presumably say anything their masters instructed them to
>>>> say. Compared to Bacques, your list of "experts" consists of virtual
>>>> unknowns whose scholarship and academic skills seem rather doubtful,
>>>> especially since their findings are so predictable and at total
>>>> variance with the life experiences of people who had relatives
>>>> imprisoned by the Americans and the French.
>>>>
>>>> Whereas Bacques is totally consistent with the experiences of my
>>>> parents and grand-parents, the "findings" of your list of
>>>> counter-experts is only consistent with the propaganda requirements of
>>>> the holocaust industry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bacque's book is an historical novel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, who are these half a dozen other researchers you  still can't name?
>>>>>
>>>>>-pk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which is, by the way, something *you* could do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then you might understand why his arguments and arithmetic don't stand
>>>>>>>up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> why didn't you talk to some survivors of ilk's death camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is what Richard Bolschneider said to me in about 1969 who was 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> iks
>>>>>>>> death camp. Every morning they collect the death german soldiers
>>>>>>>> bodies,
>>>>>>>> At one an American film grew came and took picture of the death 
>>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>>> prisoners piled up. And he has seen this scenery latter in a 
>>>>>>>> holocaust
>>>>>>>> show portrait as Jews killed by the Germans.
>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry to tell you this, Kurt, but a 3rd hand account from you is not
>>>>>>>particularly convincing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-pk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4IadnUKNW87lehfXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "ZuLu"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4a87fdd9@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick Keenan escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:a3fa85psmlobdbd0tn7dri22eubikqp03o@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:32:57 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cn7885pot9fjdidpfoqgqsu2ut33mhsubq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:22:49 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:doq2855hh2lmrq305b0f1f2lkgbegsfcln@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:icvv75li6h3crovglh32im908h1mmu3p3l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:20:34 -0400, "Patrick Keenan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q3Lfm.40352$PH1.33789@edtnps82...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where the Americans in ikes death camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from "Ike" having had no death camps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Ike had no death camps, only camps whose death rates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of well known Nazi camps such as Buchenwald or Auschwitz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except, of course, that they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he did. Numerous authors besides Bacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So numerous that you can't quite name them, I see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could name them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why you don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. The authors and various government authorities are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> everybody. I'm not your coolie to do lookup work for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's all right.  We understand that you don't name them because
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> are no reputable, non-discredited sources for claims of Allied
>>>>>>>>>>> death
>>>>>>>>>>> camps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French 
>>>>>>>>>> Army
>>>>>>>>>> casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in
>>>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>>> camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a
>>>>>>>>>> compliant
>>>>>>>>>> military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps 
>>>>>>>>>> unequalled
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
>>>>>>>>>> 101 st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I said, there are no reputable, non-discredited sources for 
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> claims. You can't even tell us *where*, when, or in what context,
>>>>>>>>> Col.
>>>>>>>>> Fisher actually said this - if he said it at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bacque's arguments don't stand up, as has been demonstrated
>>>>>>>>> repeatedly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really, was this the *best* you could do?   No wonder nobody takes
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> claims seriously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -pk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Others caught on to this some time ago; we know you can't do it,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> that the real problem is your inability to admit this to 
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, it's telling that Holocasut deniers and "revisionists"
>>>>>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>>>>>> such ideas based on such a poverty of evidence, while at the same
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> rejecting extensive evidence of all kinds the demonstrates the
>>>>>>>>>>> historical reality of the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What this behaviour tells us is that for these Holocaust deniers
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> "revisionists", the truth is not the value.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the American Military
>>>>>>>>>> Governor,
>>>>>>>>>> General Eisenhower, sent out an "urgent courier" with instructions
>>>>>>>>>> making it a crime punishable by death to feed German prisoners. It
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> even a capital offence to gather food together in one place to 
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> prisoners. The message reads in part:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ".Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the
>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>> inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those 
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this
>>>>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in 
>>>>>>>>>> danger
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> being shot."(1)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was no idle threat. On July 31st 1945 Agnes Spira was shot by
>>>>>>>>>> French guards at Dietersheim for taking food to prisoners. In 
>>>>>>>>>> effect
>>>>>>>>>> this was a deliberate policy to starve the German prisoners of 
>>>>>>>>>> war.
>>>>>>>>>> Many
>>>>>>>>>> prisoners and German civilians saw American guards burn food that
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> been brought to the prisoners. According to one former prisoner 
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> described it recently: "At first, the women from the nearby town
>>>>>>>>>> brought
>>>>>>>>>> food into the camp. The American soldiers took everything away 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> women, threw it in a heap and poured gasoline over it and burned
>>>>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>>>> (2)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:10:01 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>But you brain into gear and tell us what we have to believe. For the
>holocaust industries any critic is considered a holocaust denial.twisting
>facts and intimating others is your main diet. anyone who does not trust you
>and states it so openly is a holocaust denier or even a liar. Blackmailing
>others will give people less credibility and it only raises more questions.

It is a very old technique, Kurt. When mcvay & co have no argument,
they resort to bluster and intimidation. The Roman Church already did
that during the middle ages when dealing with people who didn't
entirely buy into their superstitions.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 27/08/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-BBDEBC.15105927082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> ,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But you brain into gear and tell us what we have to believe.
>>
>> We don't have to believe anything. We
>> choose to believe the truth which is why
>> you will never be believed.
>>
>>
>> For the
>>> holocaust industries any critic is considered a holocaust denial.t
>>
>> For you any critic is considered a
>> hatemonger and intimidator.
>>
>>
>> twisting
>>> facts and intimating others is your main diet.
>>
>> None of us has lied. You are a
>> documented liar. You've lied about
>> Nuremberg, german shipping, the invasion
>> of poland and Elisabeth Mann.
>>
>>
>>> anyone who does not trust you
>>> and states it so openly is a holocaust denier or even a liar.
>>
>> Anyone, and that is almost everyone, who
>> does not trust you and states it openly
>> is a hatemonger, intimidator or even a
>> liar.
>>
>>
>>> Blackmailing
>>> others will give people less credibility and it only raises more 
>>> questions.
>>
>> We raise questions with you about your
>> blackmailing and lack of credibility,
>> but you tell us about your wifes breasts
>> and that she is a ho
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "Mavisbeacon"  wrote in message
>>> news:ccc8c$4a96eb0e$596480f8$14088@news.upc.ie...
>>> >
>>> > "The Starmaker"  wrote in message
>>> > news:4A96DEB5.5550@ix.netcom.com...
>>> >> Mavisbeacon wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "The Starmaker"  wrote in message
>>> >>> news:4A95B410.7052@ix.netcom.com...
>>> > [snip]
>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > I get my education from watching Hollywood movies.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No surprises there then. although I might have thought comic books
>>> >>> myself.
>>> >>
>>> >> Okay, tell me what your race is and I'll tell you what your race 
>>> >> smells
>>> >> like.
>>> >
>>> > I dont usually bring myself into arguments.
>>> > who I am or what I believe isnt the issue. whether my argument stands 
>>> > up
>>> > to scrutiny and ios supported by evidence is what matters.
>>> > The concept of "race" is a bit of a thorny thing anyway.
>>> > I mean what do you mean by "race"?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you a nigger? Do you have that...nigger smell?
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> > I haven't look at your references since they claim to comment on 
>>> > something
>>> > which isn't validly proven to begin with i.e. "race".
>>> >
>>> > 
>


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:43:59 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 26, 7:35 pm, I'll Always Be 26/08/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> ,
>>  "Truthseeker" 
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > And yes the Germans are geniuses. The can cremate Jewish bodies in only 15
>> > minutes and can fill up a room with 2000 people where they never fit in
>> > there.
>>
>> Where is this room? How can we see it?
>>
>> > And manage to seen gas pellets thru shower head where nobody knows
>> > exactly how it is done.
>>
>> That is your version, but where is your
>> proof?
>>
>> (None of your fabrications, now, just
>> the truth!)
>>
>
>Your swineish thread that you posted today where you justify the
>incineration of children shows that you have no leg to stand on
>whatsoever when it comes to what is right.  You behave like a tiny
>little willnot stuck in the ass of a field horse.

The "I'll always be stupid" character is totally partisan in his
outlook. It has nothing to do with morality.

>
>
>>
>>
>> > Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> > "LIBERATOR"  wrote in message
>> >news:6639557a-086c-46eb-9178-0c54dab081ee@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> > > Leni showed the holocaust was proven to be untrue by the Jews being
>> > > shot through the floorboards.
>>
>> > > Now remember how illogical the holocaust is, the Germans supposedly
>> > > gathered up the Jews by traveling to where they were, took them
>> > > prisoner, took them back to camp, then executed them.
>>
>> > > Boy that's a lot of work to do when you could have just shot them
>> > > through the floorboards.
>>
>> > > Ahh, you all missed that message she did - for me.


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT), RabbiJoekerr
 wrote:

>On Aug 27, 4:19 pm, George  wrote:
>> On Aug 27, 11:44 pm, AgitProp  wrote:
>>
>> > The Greeks were _The_First_ to mint a coin!
>> > Don't worry about Lydia and Egypt.
>>
>> > A coin has to:
>>
>> > 1. Bare the symbol of authority.
>> > 2. Bare the denomination.
>>
>> > The Lydian examples were probably weight standards.
>>
>> No!
>> The definition of coin that you're using is incorrect.
>> For example there is a Roman 'coin' about 3-5mm round with no surface
>> where it would be possible to stamp an image..

If it has no markings, what is your evidence that it is a coin, Roman
or otherwise?

>
>Oh there you go using facts again LOL!



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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:17:39 -0700 (PDT), RabbiJoekerr
 wrote:

>On Aug 27, 7:44 am, AgitProp  wrote:
>snip stupid lies...
>yawwwn get an education moron!

Take your own advice, simpleton.


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 28, 7:54 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>wrote:
>> Hi.  I've been on this NG for years.  I have yet to hear a denier or
>> revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise.  If
>> someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>> to say I'm wrong.
>> Look at the recent sadistic post of 'I'll always be'.   Did Germar
>> Rudolf or Ernst Zundel
>> (who I think is a bit wacky but should not be in slam) ever justify
>> the murder of children?
>
>Quoted:
>At the end of February 1945 some 420 Jewish children between the ages
>of 4 and 7 years were sent into KZ Gusen, where they were exterminated
>by SS-Doctors and their helpers with heart-injections.
>
>How can nazis deny their recorded actions against innocents?

Nice change of topic: The question was whether Germar Rudolf or Ernst
Zundel ever advocated such events. If they did, I have never seen it,
but I have seen some pretty wild murderous statements by people such
as mcvay and his entourage.



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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 27, 4:13 pm, George  wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 7:54 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi.  I've been on this NG for years.  I have yet to hear a denier or
>> > revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise.  If
>> > someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>> > to say I'm wrong.
>> > Look at the recent sadistic post of 'I'll always be'.   Did Germar
>> > Rudolf or Ernst Zundel
>> > (who I think is a bit wacky but should not be in slam) ever justify
>> > the murder of children?
>>
>> Quoted:
>> At the end of February 1945 some 420 Jewish children between the ages
>> of 4 and 7 years were sent into KZ Gusen, where they were exterminated
>> by SS-Doctors and their helpers with heart-injections.
>>
>> How can nazis deny their recorded actions against innocents?
>
>Your statement does not justify what 'i wanna be a willnot' put
>forth.  The justification of the murder of children.

It's George's standard methodology of "change of subject" when
rhetorically cornered.


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:44:02 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1590

>Excerpt:
>On March 19, 1945, the hopeless state of the war effort prompted Hitler to issue the “Nero Decree,” which called for the complete destruction of Germany’s infrastructure. The approaching enemy would thus find nothing but “scorched earth.”

>Hitler justified this step as a military necessity, but his intention was to destroy the German population as punishment for its defeat.

This is subjective editorializing of doubtful validity. The whole site
is of dubious historical value. The removal of materials useful for an
invading enemy is not exactly unusual, and has been done in countless
other places.


>There was to be no future for the nation after National Socialism. 

Conjecture and subjective opinions are not history.

>The day before Hitler issued his decree, Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer (1905-1981) had submitted a memorandum opposing Hitler’s plans for mass destruction. Hitler ignored it, however. In Speer’s response to Hitler’s decree, reproduced below, he once again expressed his fundamental opposition. In the end, Speer decided that his ministry would have to implement any measures geared toward mass destruction. Thus, together with the Wehrmacht and the administration, it could also go far in blocking Hitler’s plans. 


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2489

This has the looks of an anti-German propaganda site of doubtful
historical validity.


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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:32:13 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>http://canadianroguegallery.blogspot.com/2009/04/terry-tremaine.html

You are every bit as hateful and bigoted as Tremaine, but you are
allowed to spread your poison without hindrance. It is the old double
standard at work.



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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:53:26 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
 wrote:

>http://frontpagemagazine.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26364

The idiot calling himself "The Judge" is starting to come through
clearly as another American Republican simpleton and propagandist.


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:44:10 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>How much of what you post is true ????.

The "Judge" persona is likely one of the regulars in a new guise. He
spreads the same old hateful nonsense as the mcvay gang.

>kk
>
>"The Judge"  wrote in message 
>news:27e412da-265e-4a2f-9862-3396c09fb261@a13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> http://canadianroguegallery.blogspot.com/2009/04/terry-tremaine.html 
>


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:45:12 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:lgkf95dssrio8lbv63gei79c16vnulal39@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT), George 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 28, 7:54 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>>>wrote:
>>>> Hi. I've been on this NG for years. I have yet to hear a denier or
>>>> revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise. If
>>>> someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>>>> to say I'm wrong.
>>>> Look at the recent sadistic post of 'I'll always be'. Did Germar
>>>> Rudolf or Ernst Zundel
>>>> (who I think is a bit wacky but should not be in slam) ever justify
>>>> the murder of children?
>>>
>>>Quoted:
>>>At the end of February 1945 some 420 Jewish children between the ages
>>>of 4 and 7 years were sent into KZ Gusen, where they were exterminated
>>>by SS-Doctors and their helpers with heart-injections.
>>>
>>>How can nazis deny their recorded actions against innocents?
>>
>> Nice change of topic: The question was whether Germar Rudolf or Ernst
>> Zundel ever advocated such events.
>
>Actually
>
>> If they did, I have never seen it,
>
>Well, if you wanted to know what Mr. Rudolf actually said, you'd probably 
>not find it under his own name; he had a marked tendency to write under 
>other names, including "Joe Bellinger" and "debunks".
>
>This tendency is of course part of why his scientific writings are so 
>questionable; he uses his own work written under aliases as 
>cites-in-support.    He pretends that his nyms are his peers.

You mean along the same lines as "I'll always be"?

>
>His view on the murder of children by Nazis and their puppets seems to have 
>been that it was really somebody else's fault, but it was acceptable for the 
>Nazis to murder children  because there were local military groups opposing 
>Nazi occupation of their land, theft of their property, and murder of their 
>citizens.

Those sound very much like American excuses for the same sort of
behaviour. Why is it OK for Americans but wicked for Germans?
>
>> but I have seen some pretty wild murderous statements by people such
>> as mcvay and his entourage.
>
>I suspect that you won't be able to provide a single reference of Mr. McVay 
>calling for anyone's murder.

He has enthusiastically supported allied war crimes, as long as the
victims were German civilians. In his simple-minded view, all allied
crimes are acceptable because Germany allegedly started the war. Even
if the accusation of starting the war were true, it still doesn't by a
long shot excuse allied atrocities.


>
>-pk


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 29, 6:49 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 6:12 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>
>> >  wrote:
>> > >http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2489
>>
>> > This has the looks of an anti-German propaganda site of doubtful
>> > historical validity.
>>
>> Here's the people in charge, idiot:
>>
>> http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/steering.cfm
>
>
>All German Professors and such eh...

They like to keep their jobs so they say what they are told.

>
>
>Why is it that nazis have to lie?

There have not been any Nazis for more than half a century. Get with
it, old fart.

>Is it a requirement for their entry into that racist hate filled sect
>or does it just come with the territory?

Hate-filled racism is more your province, George.



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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:27:42 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 29, 6:53 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>
>>  Tremaine was jailed under Canadian law and I'm in America, you stupid
>> moron.
>> The USA has no such laws, you retarded fool.
>
>If some-one reports kurts hatemail messaging on the group to the
>Canadian authorities will he get to share a cell with Tremaine?
>Or will they just deport him back to a Germany that has outgrown his
>sort?

With a name like Tremaine he is unlikely to be German, so why would he
be deported there? He is most likely a local.



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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:24:47 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 28, 9:55 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>
>> Your link is not working fix it sucker.
>
>It works.
>In fact I'll post it so you can go away and see that the Canadians do
>not like nazis.

Most Canadians don't give a flying shit about that period. You're
dreaming in technicolor.

>I'd suggest you go hide somewhere for a century or so.
>http://canadianroguegallery.blogspot.com/2009/04/terry-tremaine.html


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:03:42 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 28, 3:20 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> Chapter 66:
>>
>> The Canadian Human Rights Commission attempted to bring Kurt Knoll up
>> on charges
>> of promoting racial hatred:
>>
>> Kurt's lawyer demonstrated that his client had an IQ below 40 and was
>> therefore not legally responsible for his actions.
>>
>> The charges were dismissed.
>
>You're lying.

It goes without saying, seeing as the source is Bruno.



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Quotation from Wikipedia
The National-Socialist Party of Canada (NSPC) is a neo-Nazi group
founded by Terry Tremaine in 2006. It is unknown how many individuals
are actually members of the party. Tremaine is the respondent in a
complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal by lawyer Richard
Warman.[4] The NSPC is affiliated with the United States-based
National Socialist Movement.
End Quotation

Why does it not surprise me that all such crackpottery originates in
the USA and has absolutely nothing to do with Germany. Most of the
neo-Nazi literature that gets distributed in Germany also has American
origins.

There is nothing ever so bad that some simple-minded American bigot
cannot make it worse.


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:32:22 +1000, "Malakh" 
wrote:

>
>"PB1952"  wrote in message news:h6tgjf$hks$1@aioe.org...
>> Truthseeker wrote:
>> :: Replying to a guy like Mcfuck is a waste of time. He is selling
>> :: something what he wants others to believe he is part of the
>> :: holocaust industries he wants us to believe their facts. Trust can
>> :: not be bought it has to be earned.
>> :: Kurt Knoll.
>>
>>
>> You have been responsible for a littany of lies stretching back over years 
>> Kurt.
>> What's more reliable evidence was presented to show you were telling 
>> porkies.
>> Some of your lies are so outrageous they are hilarious.
>
>But your lies are acceptable?

He thinks so, even if few others do.

>
>
>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> --?
>> PB1952@gmail.com 
>


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:55:24 -0700 (PDT), RabbiJoekerr
 wrote:

>On Aug 28, 9:12 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:17:39 -0700 (PDT), RabbiJoekerr
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 27, 7:44 am, AgitProp  wrote:
>> >snip stupid lies...
>> >yawwwn get an education moron!
>>
>> Take your own advice, simpleton.
>
>Meaning what imbecile? you've been humiliated at every turn and have
>been unable to show any evidence of intelligence. Your dimwitted
>rejoinder simply shows just how pathetic and impotent you are... crawl
>back under your rock troll bwahahahar!!!

Keep babbling. Sooner or later you'll say something that makes some
sense.


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:12:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:2vmg9513d4uh4dgsfq1ec8v95d4v06dvgm@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:45:12 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:lgkf95dssrio8lbv63gei79c16vnulal39@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT), George 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Aug 28, 7:54 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> Hi. I've been on this NG for years. I have yet to hear a denier or
>>>>>> revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise. If
>>>>>> someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>>>>>> to say I'm wrong.
>>>>>> Look at the recent sadistic post of 'I'll always be'. Did Germar
>>>>>> Rudolf or Ernst Zundel
>>>>>> (who I think is a bit wacky but should not be in slam) ever justify
>>>>>> the murder of children?
>>>>>
>>>>>Quoted:
>>>>>At the end of February 1945 some 420 Jewish children between the ages
>>>>>of 4 and 7 years were sent into KZ Gusen, where they were exterminated
>>>>>by SS-Doctors and their helpers with heart-injections.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can nazis deny their recorded actions against innocents?
>>>>
>>>> Nice change of topic: The question was whether Germar Rudolf or Ernst
>>>> Zundel ever advocated such events.
>>>
>>>Actually
>>>
>>>> If they did, I have never seen it,
>>>
>>>Well, if you wanted to know what Mr. Rudolf actually said, you'd probably
>>>not find it under his own name; he had a marked tendency to write under
>>>other names, including "Joe Bellinger" and "debunks".
>>>
>>>This tendency is of course part of why his scientific writings are so
>>>questionable; he uses his own work written under aliases as
>>>cites-in-support.    He pretends that his nyms are his peers.
>>
>> You mean along the same lines as "I'll always be"?
>
>Do try to pay attention.
>
>>>
>>>His view on the murder of children by Nazis and their puppets seems to 
>>>have
>>>been that it was really somebody else's fault, but it was acceptable for 
>>>the
>>>Nazis to murder children  because there were local military groups 
>>>opposing
>>>Nazi occupation of their land, theft of their property, and murder of 
>>>their
>>>citizens.
>>
>> Those sound very much like American excuses for the same sort of
>> behaviour.
>
>With that comment, you propose that the Nazis did, in fact,  murder 
>children, occupy land, and steal property.

I didn't say that, nor did I imply it. Learn to read English for
comprehension.

>
>> Why is it OK for Americans but wicked for Germans?
>
>It isn't, but then, the Americans didn't actually do that in Europe, did 
>they?

They sure did, big time.

>
>>>> but I have seen some pretty wild murderous statements by people such
>>>> as mcvay and his entourage.
>>>
>>>I suspect that you won't be able to provide a single reference of Mr. 
>>>McVay
>>>calling for anyone's murder.
>>
>> He has enthusiastically supported allied war crimes, as long as the
>> victims were German civilians. In his simple-minded view, all allied
>> crimes are acceptable because Germany allegedly started the war. Even
>> if the accusation of starting the war were true, it still doesn't by a
>> long shot excuse allied atrocities.
>
>And so, no references.
>
>Will you express support for the German bombing raids on England?   Poland? 
>France?  Belgium?
>
>Do you express support for the Nazi participation in the Spanish Civil war, 
>where German air force crews, operating with the permission and 
>encouragement of the Nazi government, using arms and equipment provided by 
>the Nazi government, killed thousands of Spanish civilians?
>
>-pk
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>-pk 
>


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:39:12 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 30, 8:09 am, "Mavisbeacon"  wrote:
>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in messagenews:b3b29489-f8ba-47d8-b189-69c7a8f7eb85@n2g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 29, 6:21 am, "Mavisbeacon"  wrote:> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:4w1mm.41331$Db2.8578@edtnps83...
>>
>> > > What other proof do you have other than your own.
>> > > kk
>>
>> > If you do not condemn something terrible you are complicit in it.
>>
>> [quote]
>> Then McVay is complicit in the burning of children, pregnant women and
>> bakers, and 'I'll always wanna be someone else' is complicit in the
>> murdering of Japanese children.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> first of all you have not shown that the bombing of Japan was done with the
>> intention of killing children.
>
>The topic was 'i'll always be' being in favour of bombing the children
>of Japan because apparently they helped the war effort.  Having said
>that, the bombers of Japan knew that they were going to kill children
>as a result of their efforts.  The bombers of Europe knew that
>children would be killed and of course it was intended that children
>be killed, that women and accountants be killed etc.

The bombings in both Germany and Japan were scientifically designed
with a view to having an absolute maximum carnage among the local
civilians in the belief that it would crush morale and have the
general public there clamoring to end the war under any terms. The
actual effect was the opposite. The genocidal bombing campaign against
Germany had the effect of stiffening resistance and prolonging the
war, as well as increasing allied casualties.


>
>
>> Second of all even if it was and even if Mc Vay condoned it - something
>> which you have NOT shown- just saying "look someone else condoned something
>> similar" is NOT proving that you aren't condoning the Holocaust.
>
>If someone 'denies' the holocaust, they are not condoning it(if it
>happened contrary to their views).
>
>> What other people do or say is CHANGING the issue! THe issue is YOUR
>> condoning the holocaust!
>
>I'm not condoning the holocaust!  I know that the Jews were treated
>reprehensibly!  Whether or not their is exageration there, I'm not
>sure of.  Also, the holocaust keeps on being promoted over and over.
>I think the reason for that is so that we pity the Zionists who are
>busy cleansing the promised land.  Deflection.
>
>>the WHOLE point raised in this thread was that
>> "revisionists" as you call them which are really "negationists" or Holocaust
>> deniers never condoned the murder of children!
>> It does not matter if someone else did or did not condone anything YOUR
>> POINT is about "revisionists" . I pointed out that by not condemning one is
>> condoning.
>>
>> And your defense of that is????
>
>What if you just don't believe the story.  How is that 'condoning'
>anything?


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 30, 8:18 am, "Mavisbeacon"  wrote:
>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in messagenews:e16b65f7-728c-42ab-a3eb-427b11298951@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 28, 9:30 am, "Mavisbeacon"  wrote:
>>
>> > "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in
>> > messagenews:9e229bed-cb8b-4e27-a656-9039588044d2@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > Hi. I've been on this NG for years. I have yet to hear a denier or
>> > > revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise. If
>> > > someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>> > > to say I'm wrong.
>>
>> > Let me ask you then. If children were murdered by the Nazis and you deny
>> > they were murdered is that akin to justifying the murder?
>>
>> ???
>>
>> If a soccer player takes a dive (it happens all the time ) and another
>> innocent player gets a red card and the team get a penalty and win the match
>> because of it and the manager of the team of the diving player knows it and
>> says nothing then he is condoning what the player did! He isnt diving
>> himself but he is supporting what the player did and is cheating.
>>
>
>Here you are assuming that holocaust deniers(let's say they deny the
>gas chambers)know that there were gas chambers.

Most of the "arguments" of the exterminationists on this newsgroup are
based on a whole boatload of unsupported assumptions such as you have
shown in your line above. People who dispute the gassings generally
also dispute that the cobbled-together shacks labelled as gas chambers
actually were such, since the alleged gas chambers defy the laws of
physics and chemistry.




>  But the thing
>is :they do not know that there were chambers, they doubt the official
>story very much.  So how are they condoning something which they think
>never happened.
>The example you give is of a manager who DOES KNOW that cheating took
>place.
>
>> > Insisting something like child murder didn't happen when it did happen is
>> > compounding the crime and supporting the people who perpratrated it, is it
>> > not?
>>
>> [quote]
>> ???  Which murders have I denied?  Do you anything specific on your
>> mind?
>> [/quote]
>>
>> Message-ID:
>> 
>> At the end of February 1945 some 420 Jewish children between the ages
>> of 4 and 7 years were sent into KZ Gusen, where they were exterminated
>> by SS-Doctors and their helpers with heart-injections.
>>
>> To which you replied : Your statement does not justify what 'i wanna be a
>> willnot' put
>> forth.  The justification of the murder of children.
>>
>> You SIDESTEPPED condeming the Nazi murder of children the ORIGINAL post and
>> tried to change it onto saying someone else didnt justify something else.
>> The ORIGINAL post was about "revisionists"  When YOU STATED :
>>
>> [quote]
>> I have yet to hear a denier or
>> revisionist justify the murder of children;
>> [/quote]
>>
>> By denying the above murder of children ever happened you condone it!
>
>I don't know if that murder happened.  If it did, I sure don't condone
>it.  The person who posted that was changing the topic by pointing out
>that the nazis killed children(which they did btw).
>I merely told the fellow, that deniers/revisionists have nowhere
>condoned the murder of children.
>


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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:33:44 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 28, 9:30 am, "Mavisbeacon"  wrote:
>> "Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in messagenews:9e229bed-cb8b-4e27-a656-9039588044d2@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Hi.  I've been on this NG for years.  I have yet to hear a denier or
>> > revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise.  If
>> > someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>> > to say I'm wrong.
>>
>> Let me ask you then. If children were murdered by the Nazis and you deny
>> they were murdered is that akin to justifying the murder?
>
>???
>
>> Insisting something like child murder didn't happen when it did happen is
>> compounding the  crime and supporting the people who perpratrated it, is it
>> not?
>
>???  Which murders have I denied?  Do you anything specific on your
>mind?

LOL

I see that you have air-head Mavis on your case. She is truly obtuse,
or at least tries to give that impression, so logic of any sort is
totally wasted on Mavis.


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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:13:45 +1000, "Jason James"  wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:itkf95lvvcrt0qdltlku6fpqj4bkubaoa3@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:44:02 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1590
>>
>>>Excerpt:
>>>On March 19, 1945, the hopeless state of the war effort prompted Hitler to 
>>>issue the "Nero Decree," which called for the complete destruction of 
>>>Germany's infrastructure. The approaching enemy would thus find nothing 
>>>but "scorched earth."
>>
>>>Hitler justified this step as a military necessity, but his intention was 
>>>to destroy the German population as punishment for its defeat.
>>
>> This is subjective editorializing of doubtful validity. The whole site
>> is of dubious historical value. The removal of materials useful for an
>> invading enemy is not exactly unusual, and has been done in countless
>> other places.
>>
>>
>>>There was to be no future for the nation after National Socialism.
>>
>> Conjecture and subjective opinions are not history.
>
>So why do you do the same?

The balance of probabilities say that it is unlikely and amounts to
tendentious "history".

> It's common knowledge

Allied "common knowledge" has tended to be partisan propaganda, in my
experience.

> AH blamed everyone else for his Reich's downfall,

It wasn't "his Reich", since the German Reich has existed more or less
continuously since AD800, and the claim that "AH blamed everybody
else" is largely conjecture and American movie lore. Perhaps he did,
but your diatribes have not shown that. You are just making the usual
partisan propaganda.

> and punishment was never far behind.

What are you talking about here? It makes no sense, but then your
paradigm here is considerably different than mine, with the
consequence that we use the same words to mean different things.


>
>Jason
>
>>
>>>The day before Hitler issued his decree, Minister of Armaments and War 
>>>Production Albert Speer (1905-1981) had submitted a memorandum opposing 
>>>Hitler's plans for mass destruction. Hitler ignored it, however. In 
>>>Speer's response to Hitler's decree, reproduced below, he once again 
>>>expressed his fundamental opposition. In the end, Speer decided that his 
>>>ministry would have to implement any measures geared toward mass 
>>>destruction. Thus, together with the Wehrmacht and the administration, it 
>>>could also go far in blocking Hitler's plans. 
>


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:53:26 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Aug 30, 3:11 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>>
>> Mavisbeacon  wrote:
>>
>> >"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message
>> >news:9e229bed-cb8b-4e27-a656-9039588044d2@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Hi.  I've been on this NG for years.  I have yet to hear a denier or
>> >> revisionist justify the murder of children; Jewish or otherwise.  If
>> >> someone could point out where a revisionist stated this, I'd be happy
>> >> to say I'm wrong.
>>
>> First things first - there are no revisionists posting here...
>> it's been at least 10-15 years since one appeared. DENIERS,
>> however, not only post, but justify all sorts of NAZI barbarities.
>>
>> Consider Alex Vangel, for instance, who justifies the NAZI murder
>> of unruly children by citing biblical verse. How disgusting is
>> that?
>>
>
>
>> >Let me ask you then. If children were murdered by the Nazis and you deny
>> >they were murdered is that akin to justifying the murder?
>>
>> Of course it is.
>>
>
>Bull shit.  If you don't believe in your heart that they were
>murdered, then how is that akin to condoning their murder.

The exterminationist bunch usually also accuse the German public of
standing by and not doing anything about what was allegedly happening.
How do you oppose something that isn't happening? It is extremely
unlikely that you can get a population of over 80 million people to
agree on a lie, so when they say "I didn't know about any of this.", I
tend to believe them. Besides, they had rather more immediate things
to worry about, given the genocidal Anglo-American terrorist bombing.


>I've googled 'Alex Vangel' and could find nothing whereby he justified
>the murder of children.  If he did in fact do that, then he is to be
>held high as a scoundrel along with 'i'll always be' and yourself, and
>I'll make good an apology for doubting child killers such as
>yourself.  You yourself have justified the murder of children, and
>others concerning the allied bombing campaign, so don't be too quick
>getting on your high horse.  As far as I'm concerned, you lack the
>character of a tse tse fly.
>
>> >Insisting something like child murder didn't happen when it did happen is
>> >compounding the  crime and supporting the people who perpratrated it, is it
>> >not?
>>
>> Roger that, brother.
>>
>> Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
>>
>> "I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the
>> homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is
>> what it says about delinquents:
>>
>
>This is your evidence you sick turd?
>
>> "Deuteronomy 21:18-21
>> "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will
>> not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
>> and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto
>> them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
>> and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the
>> gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his
>> city, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not
>> obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the
>> men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
>> so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
>> shall hear, and fear." (UseNet alt.revisionism.  Subject:
>> "Re: More crap from the VangelBot," 31 Jan. 2001.  Message-ID:
>> 3c58902...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com)
>>
>> So, anonymous bent one, there you have a denier justifying the
>> murder of children.
>>
>
>You are reaching like a sack of shit on a brown day.  You could say
>the same of anyone believing in the old testament you moron.  You are
>the bent one McVay; purveyor of shit.
>
>> You're welcome.
>
>You reach like a drunken sailor trying to grope tomorrows piece of ass
>which hasn't even been invented yet.  Never mind the you're welcome
>asshole; i haven't thanked you because there is nothing to be thankful
>for.
>
>>
>> --
>> "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
>> diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>>  The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:34:27 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The Germans are the once that are getting screwed why should they not blame 
>the shoa business ???.

It is amazing that people like George figure that involvement of
German professors in the site is "proof" that it is true. That is
illogical in the extreme. People in the middle ages paid lip service
to the nonsense of the Roman Church, even if they didn't believe it,
because obvious opposition was very bad for one's health.

If I were still a resident of Germany, I would also pay lip service to
the story for sheer self-preservation. I have no desire for martyrdom,
which would surely follow, were I to publicly dispute the allied
version of WW2. The current regime owes its position to its masters in
Washington, so they suppress people who dispute the basis of their
power. In that regard, their actions are no different than those of
the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, or the masters of the DDR.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"George"  wrote in message 
>news:8a3e8760-8969-49c0-a864-fc7fcb4c39dd@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 29, 6:49 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 6:12 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>
>> >  wrote:
>> > >http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2489
>>
>> > This has the looks of an anti-German propaganda site of doubtful
>> > historical validity.
>>
>> Here's the people in charge, idiot:
>>
>> http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/steering.cfm
>
>
>All German Professors and such eh...
>
>
>Why is it that nazis have to lie?
>Is it a requirement for their entry into that racist hate filled sect
>or does it just come with the territory? 
>


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Aug 29, 10:45 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> Hate-filled racism is more your province, George.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>Shall we go back over your posts and posting history and see who you
>blame for everything?

Tell me, George, whom do I blame for "everything"?


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:13:40 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Interesting Gord who is allowed to research or investigate you finding. 
>Could it be it is only your chosen once.
>KK
>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:N7imm.650903$6p1.303756@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 8/28/2009 9:12 AM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2489
>>>
>>> This has the looks of an anti-German propaganda site of doubtful
>>> historical validity.
>>
>> Supported by original documentation.

LOL

Nice try Gord, but no cookie is in order.

>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org 
>


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:29:08 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>There is no race on this planet that can after some 2000 years claim their 
>ancestors homeland. But the do get away with it with American and British 
>help.

It is all based on religious tripe. It is doubtful that the glorious
kingdoms of David and Solomon, that form the basis of modern Zionist
land claims, ever existed. The whole thing is a fraud.

It is a fraud that worked because of American and British religious
superstitions that help keep the public permanently deceived.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message 
>news:2f1e7fc8-766a-4d1d-afb1-71f0223b67c2@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 28, 3:37 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFyN0LX5Cg
>
>I saw the first 5 seconds.  The jews have been one of the most
>persecuted people on earth?  Oh please.
>The rest isn't worth watching I can assure you.  They didn't have to
>come into their new homeland and start kicking the Palestinians around
>did they? 
>


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:13:40 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Interesting Gord who is allowed to research or investigate you finding. 
>Could it be it is only your chosen once.

A "document" is a piece of paper, and once it has been in allied
hands, it is worthless as "historical proof" of anything. Too many
things have been "amended" or even totally fabricated to support the
allied propaganda campaign.

>KK
>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:N7imm.650903$6p1.303756@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 8/28/2009 9:12 AM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2489
>>>
>>> This has the looks of an anti-German propaganda site of doubtful
>>> historical validity.
>>
>> Supported by original documentation.
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org 
>


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:32:31 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>I did repeat what I first did hear in may 1945. You can stock you phony 
>answers up your ass.

Don't bother with "I'll always be stupid", since it is pretty obvious
that first impressions of such a catastrophe always tend to
overestimate the effects. Even in recent times, with much better
communication, initial estimates tend to be high. They were quite high
even for 9/11 and the Katrina disaster in New Orleans. The first
estimates in the news about 9/11 was that there might have been as
many as 50,000 casualties, the total occupancy of the buildings,
rather than the approximately three thousand that later became the
accepted total.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 30/08/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-378019.22543029082009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> ,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting Gord who is allowed to research or investigate you finding.
>>> Could it be it is only your chosen once.
>>> KK
>>
>> Interesting kirt, who is allowed to
>> research your allegation that 45000
>> people died in a single air raid on
>> Nuremberg? Could it be you are lying?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>> news:N7imm.650903$6p1.303756@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> > On 8/28/2009 9:12 AM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT), The Judge
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2489
>>> >>
>>> >> This has the looks of an anti-German propaganda site of doubtful
>>> >> historical validity.
>>> >
>>> > Supported by original documentation.
>>> >
>>> > -- 
>>> > Gord McFee
>>> > I'll write no line before its time
>>> >
>>> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>> > http://www.holocaust-history.org 
>


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>You have freedom to make your racist genocidal hatred posts.

That is your province, George, not Heinrich's.


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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:45:31 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:4a9a754d$0$2102$2e0edba0@news.tweakdsl.nl...
>> it is about time that ben cramer is coming back to this groups asap since 
>> this group is now getting boring as hell
>
>The disappearance of "Mr. Cramer" from Usenet was suspiciously co-incidental 
>with the conviction of Mr. F. Toben (May 2009).
>Mr. Toben has just very recently ( Aug 13, 2009) lost his appeal of his 
>conviction and has been taken into custody to serve his sentence.   If he's 
>good, he might be out by mid-November.
>
>It appears likely that there's a strong link between Mr. Toben and "Mr. 
>Cramer".

That is pretty flimsy "evidence" along the same lines of the rest of
the crap you post on this newsgroup.

>
>It's unlikely that "Mr. Cramer" will be posting again before the release of 
>Mr. Toben;  and after that, since repeats of the activities that put Mr. 
>Toben in jail will probably prompt further prosecutions and penalties, it 
>may be a while before you get your wish.
>
>On the other hand, "Mr. Cramer" may have been playing the same game that Hal 
>Turner now claims to have been playing, and been an informant for law 
>enforcement agencies; with the conviction, the task is complete and the 
>persona is no longer require