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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Dresden: An Undisputed Holocaust
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT), bozo 
wrote:

>On Jun 10, 1:06 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>>
>> <798qhkF1p20l...@mid.individual.net>,
>>  "Heinrich" 
>>
>>  wrote: http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>> February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>> and barbarism began against a
>> defenceless German city
>>
>
>Gooooooooooooooood.
>
>Eat my bratwurst heinrich you disgusting hun.

Well, Bozo, you're full of shit. Huns are an asiatic people while
Germans are Europeans. The two groups are totally unrelated except in
retarded British propaganda.

You say "good" regarding the massacre of large numbers of civilians in
Germany, but cry "hate" if anything happens to Jews. The name
"Hypocrite" fits you much better than "Bozo".


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:25:19 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"bozo"  schreef in bericht 
>news:fdaf3ff3-45d9-475d-89ee-7edfc7a719a3@x29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 10, 1:06 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>>
>> <798qhkF1p20l...@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>>
>> wrote: http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>> February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>> and barbarism began against a
>> defenceless German city
>>
>
>Gooooooooooooooood.
>
>Eat my bratwurst heinrich you disgusting hun.
>
>hallo  my friend bonzo !!! why are you so full of hate against the noble 
>germans? 

Bozo is a simpleton.


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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:36:33 -0700 (PDT), bozo 
wrote:

>On Jun 12, 11:45 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> James W. von Brunn holds a BachSci Journalism degree from a mid-Western
>> university where he was president of SAE and played varsity football.
>>
>> During WWII he served as PT-Boat captain, Lt. USNR, receiving a Commendation
>> and four battle stars. For twenty years he was an advertising executive and
>> film-producer in New York City. He is a member of Mensa, the high-IQ
>> society.
>>
>> In 1981 von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of
>> Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a
>> Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro
>> attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A
>> Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in
>> federal prison. He is now an artist and author and lives on Maryland's
>> Eastern Shore.
>>
>> Tob Shebbe Goyim Harog is the culmination of his life's work.
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/200307040...e.org/bio.html
>
>What kind of name is heinrich? Are you a hun heinrich?

Bozo is clearly an idiot who babbles mindlessly about non-existent
Huns, a creation of WW1 British propaganda.





> Who supports
>you heinrich? How many polluted lines of ethnic vermin gummed up mama
>heinrich to produce a little heinie nazi like yourself, heinrich?  Or
>did your mama lose count?  Are you still spell-checking my posts for
>typos and spelling errors heinrich? You know that looking for and
>exposing petty typos and spelling errors is one of the most highly
>effeminate traits a man can display.  You poor effeminate fuck. I wait
>for traits in lowlife defective men like yourself with nothing to
>offer except how to spell your daddy's favorite salute. I bet a fat
>fuck school marm like yourself has been plugged and reamed up and down
>by every ethnic shade you pretend to despise here. Nazi effeminate men
>like yourself are famous for trying to pass and cocksuck at the same
>time. They're pros. Shallow gutless wonders they are with nothing but
>a talent for spelling.  I betcha you just wet your pants watching
>Akeelah and the Bee. You're such pathetic and petty fuck for a man.
>You don't even have the good sense to conceal your worst pathetic
>traits. You're so shallow and lame you can't even hide it. Such a
>woman. Trying to defend the indefensible makes you a spell checker.
>Just what I expect from an effeminate nazi. It's just part of the
>cowardly reflex you were born with. I love waiting for smartypant-
>lowlifes like yourself who everybody can see through right down to
>their effeminate cocksucking souls. Bye-bye miss heinrich. Seig heil.
>
>-BdN-


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:47:50 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>More than 15 millions of ethnic Germans were expelled from the countries 
>they were living in. Over 1.5 millions of them never did make it to Germany. 
>Where are their death bodies Kenneth.

McVay is concerned exclusively with Jews, since nobody else counts as
human for him.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:V-KdneMHs8ewQ9zXnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/treblinka treblinka.09
>> Last-Modified: 1994/02/11
>>
>> "After Israel became an independent state, many bodies were exhumed from
>> the mass graves of Treblinka and reburied in sacred ground in the 
>> Homeland,
>> where the bereaved families gathered yearly to observe the Kaddish for
>> their own and for the 840,000 who had perished in the camp. The Polish
>> government devided a unique memorial at Treblinka itself. Thousands of
>> granite slabs were gathered, each reflecting in size the number of victims
>> from the towns and cities of Poland who were killed in the camp. Small
>> natural rocks were scattered on the site to denote the tiniest 
>> communities,
>> and the whole was dominated by a massive boulder that represented Warsaw's
>> 300,000 victims."
>>
>> Extracted from--------------------------------------------------- 
>> "THE REDEMPTION OF THE UNWANTED", Abram L.  Sachar (New York: St.
>> Martin's/Marek, 1983. p.35
>> -- 
>> "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:16:38 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>They only thing around here and is Bizzare is you. Who is asking always for 
>proo Kennet it is you.

Kenny is just an arsehole and propagandist. There is a reason that I
put the silly bastard on a filter months ago.

>KK
>
>"Mavisbeacon"  wrote in message 
>news:4fe50$4a41fd72$596480f8$17119@news.upc.ie...
>>
>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>> news:WKl0m.32028$Db2.20611@edtnps83...
>>> More than 15 millions of ethnic Germans were expelled from the countries 
>>> they were living in. Over 1.5 millions of them never did make it to 
>>> Germany. Where are their death bodies Kenneth.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>> [snip]
>>
>> so you are claiming that because the bodies can't be found these Germans 
>> were never expelled?
>> Bizarre!
>> 
>


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:00:28 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Read th book other losses.

There are actually a lot of books that address this topic.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:Ru-dnfQ5iY8_29_XnZ2dnUVZ_gNi4p2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "keiner da" Cross and  wrote:
>>
>>>More than 15 millions of ethnic Germans were expelled from the countries
>>>they were living in. Over 1.5 millions of them never did make it to 
>>>Germany.
>>>Where are their death bodies Kenneth.
>>
>> That is your version. Where is your proof?
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that there are Holocaust victims' shoes
>> with soles made of plastic, as you claimed on April 3, 2009. You
>> were lying.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that the Yale University Law "Avalon Project"
>> is "Jewish," as you claimed in August, 2008.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> within the treaty.
>>
>> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
>> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
>> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
>> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
>> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> claimed.
>>
>> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> -- 
>> Has Edmonton's William Grosvenor obeyed the Court's
>> orders yet, and paid the $50,000 in damages and
>> additional substantial costs to Mr. Warman?
>> Tell it to the Judge: http://william-grosvenor.info 
>


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 25, 1:28 am, StarDust  wrote:
>
>> A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka
>> camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no
>> evidence of mass graves there.
>
>Why do nazis have to lie about the evils that their regime did?
>Quoted:
>In late 1942 and 1943, the Jewish forced laborers had to exhume the
>already buried bodies and burn them in huge trenches on makeshift
>“ovens” made of rail track.
>
>If the scans are not in the areas of the disturbed earth the
>formations will not show up.
>Just another nazi denial tactic

You sound like some demented fundamentalist crackpot making up excuses
as to why his superstitious models don't work.

Your characterization of the investigators as Nazis is as despicable
as it is bankrupt.


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:25:36 +1200, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
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>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:20:49 +1200, "PB1952" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>news:7ac637F1sjqglU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>> news:h1qnf8$3kq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:7ac5cjF1tkhg2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>> news:h1ql9d$n1o$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7ac36sF1uci0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>> news:h1qknt$jm8$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:7ac1u7F1u529aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qipm$89n$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ac04sF1uf87qU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qhj3$1ih$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7abtioF1sg8arU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qe0i$dgq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ab9vaF1v79e7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing, the old former Nazi soidiers have just about died 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is almost no more of them to chase down and persecute 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews have to go after killer Nazi trees that are a threat 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094784.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point out where it says Jews find the tree offensdive.......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a lazy  liar whose sole objective appears to be to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up Jew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hatred..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to keep your cool. it is an article from a jew paper so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question of a doubt it is about jews. only jews could raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about such a minor thing as a tree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what a traffic roundabout is? It is being removed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in not because Jews object to its presence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either you are totally lacking in comprehension skills or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whippoing up Jew hatred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You hate them so you want everyone else to hate them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>i donote hate jews
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that is because you are jewish, jews never believe goys
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i o consider them a funny bunch of weirdos always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>whining and  kvetching,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What an ignorant statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tilly once said it herself that the jews on the fish market make a
>>>>>>>>>> lot of noise
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>>> I bet you are lying. That is not the sirt of thing she would ever
>>>>>>>>> say.
>>>>>>>>> I will ask her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it was a few years ago in a thread about noise making jews. during 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> conversation tilly admitted that jews can make a lot of noise
>>>>>>>> espcially on the market place which she eperienced herself during 
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> of her stays there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my experience Arabs are much louder , they have to yell to be 
>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>> above the music and calls to prayer.
>>>>>>> It's noisy in an Arab  suk and it's filthy. There are carcasses with
>>>>>>> flies buzzing all over them and the men spit on the pavement .
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>jews and arabs are both semites so it stays in the  family as they say
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jews don't have flyblown carcasses hanging anywhere (there are strict
>>>>> hygiene laws) nor do they spit
>>>>> on the pavements.It is very unpleasant having to avoid gobs of spit.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>yes i agree that they have still a long way to go to adapt themselves to
>>>>>our way of living
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The problem is many of them refuse to adapt. They expect countries where
>>>they  emigrate to
>>>adapt to them.
>>
>> That has always been the problem with Jews and is likely the reason
>> that they have quickly alienated the host population of any area to
>> which they have migrated.
>
>
>
>What a load of rubbish. In most countries in the diaspora Jews have 
>integrated and are involved in all aspects of  life ,

On the contrary, they always remain an alien entity filled with utter
contempt for the local people and their culture.

>They do not ask for or 
>expect countires to accomodate their every need.

Sure, they go to a Roman Catholic country and then demand that RC
symbolism be removed from schools because the symbols don't sit well
with Jews.

>They learn the language of 
>their adopted country , don't isolate themselves completely from others snd 
>become involved in civics and other aspects of communities. They don't 
>expect their adopted country to change to accomodate them.

You seem to be living in a dream world.

>
>.In contrast many Muslims try to replicate traditional Islam in their new 
>country ..
>They don't learn about their new culture, don't learn the language,don't mix 
>with others socially,ie. they are so culturally bound they reflect life in a 
>foreign country..They don't integrate.
>
>
>
>
>PB1952@gmail.com 
>


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:25:13 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 25, 12:16 pm, I'll Always Be 24/06/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <0u3545pk7qlqmcsa8fsctu1f9qpng8o78f@4ax.
>> com>,
>>  Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>
>>
>>
>>   wrote:
>> > On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT), bozo 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >On Jun 10, 1:06 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> In article
>>
>> > >> <798qhkF1p20l...@mid.individual.net>,
>> > >>  "Heinrich" 
>>
>> > >>  wrote:http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> > >> Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>> > >> February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>> > >> and barbarism began against a
>> > >> defenceless German city
>>
>> > >Gooooooooooooooood.
>>
>> > >Eat my bratwurst heinrich you disgusting hun.
>>
>> > Well, Bozo, you're full of shit. Huns are an asiatic people while
>> > Germans are Europeans. The two groups are totally unrelated except in
>> > retarded British propaganda.
>>
>> Where did the Europeans originate?
>>
>originally Africa .
>The racists parents were Africans

Obviously all primates originated in Africa but it does not follow
that modern Europeans are closely related to modern Africans. The
common ancestor most likely lies thousands of generations in the past
when neither lineage looked the way they do today. You appear to know
as little about evolutionary biology as you do about the rest of the
stuff where you stupidly venture an opinion.


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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:28:03 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 25/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-FCFAC2.22545324062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <7ae3umF1v74a6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 24/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-488BF3.00020624062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <7abcl2F1taqkkU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "I'll Always Be 23/06/09"  schreef in
>>> >> bericht
>>> >> news:aussies_suck-D07BF5.23485922062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > <7a8ehjF1u9oe8U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Gord McFee"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> >> news:2VB%l.68412$op1.53058@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> >> >> > On 6/20/2009 3:19 PM, Heinrich wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> het is alweer een tijd geleden dat wij iets van de poster met de
>>> >> >> >> naam
>>> >> >> >> ben cramer hebben gehoord.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> een geestelijk beperkt persoon vond het noodzakelijk een 
>>> >> >> >> vervalsing
>>> >> >> >> op internet  te zetten waarvan hij het idee had dat dit wel 
>>> >> >> >> indruk
>>> >> >> >> zou maken.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> gelukkig viel hij spoedig door de mand en bleek er niets met ben
>>> >> >> >> aan
>>> >> >> >> de hand te zijn.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> desalniettemin vind ik het noodzakelijk u er op te willen 
>>> >> >> >> wijzen,
>>> >> >> >> dat
>>> >> >> >> enige support van uw kant wel op zijn plaats is.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> uw adhesie betuigingen kunt u in deze draad kwijt.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> ook joden worden verzocht te reageren.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > The fact that Heinrich is full of shit is demonstrated by the 
>>> >> >> > fact
>>> >> >> > he
>>> >> >> > posts in Dutch, a language most members of this newsgroup do not
>>> >> >> > understand.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > -- 
>>> >> >> > Gord McFee
>>> >> >> > I'll write no line before its time
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>> >> >> > http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> according to you own words you are an experton the german language.
>>> >> >> since
>>> >> >> dutch and german have a lot in common my posting in dutch should 
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> troubloe you
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Where did he say it troubled him?
>>> >>
>>> >> i am donot care what that old wanker is doing or intends to do
>>> >
>>> > Yet you spent some considerable time
>>> > pecking out a response to him. You lie
>>> > even worse than knoll
>>> i was referring to that mc fee person not to ben
>>
>> you referred to the old wanker. that's
>> benji
>
>mcfee the canadian wanker 

Mcfee is probably another substandard American import like mcvay.



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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:12:32 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"RJ11"  wrote in message news:h1u6t4$d52$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article <5h4545d4t8nnuhns5mboqcd0eepfg7fna4@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> On the contrary, they always remain an alien entity filled with utter
>>> contempt for the local people and their culture.
>>
>>   More Nazi propaganda from Hans-Peter Skaliks (posting as
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf").
>>
>>   Go back to Germany,  old nazi swine.  Why are you polluting
>> Canada?
>>
>> RJ.
>And what is your real name do you know what being truthfully really means. 
>Holostories that are forced on to others and can not be investigated are 
>questionable. For you I would say you do not know the meaning of being 
>honest.
>Kurt Knoll.

Poor RJ11, whoever the fuck that is, is still obsessing with this
alleged skaliks connection. It just makes me more certain than ever
that I'm dealing with a collection of morons and imbeciles.

>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:23:03 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>news:h1v6th$o9c$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> news:5h4545d4t8nnuhns5mboqcd0eepfg7fna4@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:25:36 +1200, "PB1952" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>news:jaq245hrgn2m15f6q5fh24i2lilr9h0khu@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:20:49 +1200, "PB1952" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:7ac637F1sjqglU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>> news:h1qnf8$3kq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:7ac5cjF1tkhg2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>> news:h1ql9d$n1o$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:7ac36sF1uci0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qknt$jm8$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ac1u7F1u529aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qipm$89n$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ac04sF1uf87qU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qhj3$1ih$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7abtioF1sg8arU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qe0i$dgq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ab9vaF1v79e7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing, the old former Nazi soidiers have just about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is almost no more of them to chase down and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews have to go after killer Nazi trees that are a threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094784.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point out where it says Jews find the tree 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offensdive.......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a lazy  liar whose sole objective appears to be to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up Jew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hatred..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to keep your cool. it is an article from a jew paper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question of a doubt it is about jews. only jews could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about such a minor thing as a tree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what a traffic roundabout is? It is being 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in not because Jews object to its presence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either you are totally lacking in comprehension skills or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whippoing up Jew hatred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You hate them so you want everyone else to hate them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i donote hate jews
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is because you are jewish, jews never believe goys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i o consider them a funny bunch of weirdos always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whining and  kvetching,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an ignorant statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tilly once said it herself that the jews on the fish market 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of noise
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I bet you are lying. That is not the sirt of thing she would 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> say.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will ask her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it was a few years ago in a thread about noise making jews. 
>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> conversation tilly admitted that jews can make a lot of noise
>>>>>>>>>>> espcially on the market place which she eperienced herself during
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> of her stays there
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my experience Arabs are much louder , they have to yell to be
>>>>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>>>>> above the music and calls to prayer.
>>>>>>>>>> It's noisy in an Arab  suk and it's filthy. There are carcasses 
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> flies buzzing all over them and the men spit on the pavement .
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>jews and arabs are both semites so it stays in the  family as they 
>>>>>>>>>>say
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jews don't have flyblown carcasses hanging anywhere (there are 
>>>>>>>> strict
>>>>>>>> hygiene laws) nor do they spit
>>>>>>>> on the pavements.It is very unpleasant having to avoid gobs of spit.
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>yes i agree that they have still a long way to go to adapt themselves 
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>our way of living
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The problem is many of them refuse to adapt. They expect countries 
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>they  emigrate to
>>>>>>adapt to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> That has always been the problem with Jews and is likely the reason
>>>>> that they have quickly alienated the host population of any area to
>>>>> which they have migrated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What a load of rubbish. In most countries in the diaspora Jews have
>>>>integrated and are involved in all aspects of  life ,
>>>
>>> On the contrary, they always remain an alien entity filled with utter
>>> contempt for the local people and their culture.
>>
>> You are seriously deluded.
>>
>>
>>>>They do not ask for or
>>>>expect countires to accomodate their every need.
>>>
>>> Sure, they go to a Roman Catholic country and then demand that RC
>>> symbolism be removed from schools because the symbols don't sit well
>>> with Jews.
>>
>> Which country are you referring to? You obviously have one in mind.
>>>
>i think johannes is referring to italy. it happened a few years ago that 
>objections were raised against christian symbols in the class rooms. but on 
>second thoughts it may also been in bavaria 

It has occurred in numerous countries. One thing that Jews do well is
whine.


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT), Zulu 
wrote:

>On 24 jun, 22:37, george  wrote:
>> On Jun 25, 1:28 am, StarDust  wrote:
>>
>> > A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka
>> > camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no
>> > evidence of mass graves there.
>>
>> Why do nazis have to lie about the evils that their regime did?
>> Quoted:
>> In late 1942 and 1943, the Jewish forced laborers had to exhume the
>> already buried bodies and burn them in huge trenches on makeshift
>> “ovens” made of rail track.
>
>Well, those 840,000 bodies burned on "rails" in open pits have left no
>traces!

Corpses don't burn well under the best of conditions, and they don't
burn at all in a pit where there isn't enough access to oxygen.

>That is another miracle of physics that we have to swallow with that
>hoax.
>
>Moreover, there are no traces left of the more than 24,000 tons of the
>fuel which is supposed to have made it.
>Not to mention that 24,000 tons would be for coke on constructed
>ovens. To burn the same quantity of bodies on "open pits" that
>quantity would be more likely 40,000 tons of coke or even more of
>wood.
>As at Auschwitz, there are no traces left of those enormous quantities
>of fuel!
>No requests, no BIL, no invoices, no transportion, no deliveries'
>notes, NOTHING!
>The hoax is magical.
>
>> If the scans are not in the areas of the disturbed earth the
>> formations will not show up.
>> Just another nazi denial tactic
>
>No traces as tells the dOGma, neither of the tons of remains under the
>earth nor of 40,000 tons of fuel in any document.
>Believe it, doppey!.


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:29:12 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 25, 9:11 am, Zulu  wrote:
>
>> No traces as tells the dOGma, neither of the tons of remains under the
>> earth nor of 40,000 tons of fuel in any document.
>> Believe it, doppey!.
>
>Whoa.
>What part of burned above the earths surface eludes you?

Burned anything always leaves traces. In Ontario when people still
burned coal for heating, driveways were often constructed from the
cinders and ashes that remained.

>And the claim of 40,000 ton of fuel came from where ?

>Remember in1944 the nazi railway system was under daily bombardment..

Idiot-boy george, there has never been a "nazi" railway system.

>Why do nazis always have to lie?

Why do idiots like Idiot-boy george always have to babble
incoherently?



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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Zulu 
wrote:

>On 25 jun, 05:29, george  wrote:
>> On Jun 25, 9:11 am, Zulu  wrote:
>>
>> > No traces as tells the dOGma, neither of the tons of remains under the
>> > earth nor of 40,000 tons of fuel in any document.
>> > Believe it, doppey!.
>>
>> Whoa.
>> What part of burned above the earths surface eludes you?
>> And the claim of 40,000 ton of fuel came from where ?
>
>From a calculation based on REAL time sheet from Gusen for cremations
>performed in Topf ovens on ACTUAL working conditions.
>http://www.holocaust-history.org/gusen-cremation-timesheet/
>An average of 28,7 kg of coke was needed to burn 1 corpse on that kind
>of 2 muffles x 2 furmace.
>
>Try to guess how much are needed to perform cremation on open pits.
>Twice more of coke?
>Equivalent in wood? Twice more? Give your opinion on that point.
>
>> Remember in1944 the nazi railway system was under daily bombardment..
>> Why do nazis always have to lie?
>
>Which lies?

Poor george is out to lunch. I guess he figures that on May 8, 1945
the "nazi" railway system turned into a CDU railway system and then
alternated between being a SPD railway system and a CDU railway
system. Modern American trains, by george's demented approach, are
Democratic train systems and last year they were still Republican
train systems.

The guy is a total jackass.


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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:10:32 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>And the holohoaxers also claim the Germans gassed the Jews in farm houses. I 
>just wonder if the farmers knew about it.

The open pits were also invisible to American surveillance cameras.
Like so much of the rest of the Holocaust™ saga, the pits were
supernatural.


>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"parris_k"  wrote in message 
>news:8d86df32-7e13-4b3e-b697-95b8506edf62@n21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>On 24 Juni, 23:11, Zulu  wrote:
>> On 24 jun, 22:37, george  wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 25, 1:28 am, StarDust  wrote:
>>
>> > > A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka
>> > > camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no
>> > > evidence of mass graves there.
>>
>> > Why do nazis have to lie about the evils that their regime did?
>> > Quoted:
>> > In late 1942 and 1943, the Jewish forced laborers had to exhume the
>> > already buried bodies and burn them in huge trenches on makeshift
>> > “ovens” made of rail track.
>>
>> Well, those 840,000 bodies burned on "rails" in open pits have left no
>> traces!
>> That is another miracle of physics that we have to swallow with that
>> hoax.
>>
>> Moreover, there are no traces left of the more than 24,000 tons of the
>> fuel which is supposed to have made it.
>> Not to mention that 24,000 tons would be for coke on constructed
>> ovens. To burn the same quantity of bodies on "open pits" that
>> quantity would be more likely 40,000 tons of coke or even more of
>> wood.
>> As at Auschwitz, there are no traces left of those enormous quantities
>> of fuel!
>> No requests, no BIL, no invoices, no transportion, no deliveries'
>> notes, NOTHING!
>> The hoax is magical.
>>
>> > If the scans are not in the areas of the disturbed earth the
>> > formations will not show up.
>> > Just another nazi denial tactic
>>
>> No traces as tells the dOGma, neither of the tons of remains under the
>> earth nor of 40,000 tons of fuel in any document.
>> Believe it, doppey!.
>
>"Dopey" woudl be to believe a morgue might be occasionally referred to
>as a "gassing cellar" and that iot woudl reuqire more delousing than a
>barracks full of nice, warm, live bodies!
>
>Engineer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
>


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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:31:41 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>      In 1935, British Zionist journalist Leo Elton traveled to Albania, 
>apparently at his own initiative, to see if it would be possible to 
>establish a Jewish national entity there. It seems the only surviving trace 
>of his voyage is his report 10 years later to Hebrew University's first 
>president, Judah Leib Magnes. The document rests in the Central Archive for 
>the History of the Jewish People at the university's Givat Ram campus in 
>Jerusalem.
>
>      Elton's journey was spurred on by the increasing persecution of German 
>Jews two years into the Nazi regime and Britain's refusal to increase the 
>quotas on Jewish immigration to Mandatory Palestine. Elton writes that he 
>first read of the idea in British newspapers reporting that the Albanian 
>government welcomed Jewish immigration.
>
>      So he traveled to the tiny country of a million inhabitants, which was 
>completely cut off from industrialized Europe. A government minister told 
>him that "in Albania religious intolerance is quite unknown .... The 
>Albanian Muslims of today are no fanatics."
>
>
>      The minister also emphasized that, in contrast to the rest of Europe, 
>Albania had no history of anti-Semitism. "There is no reason whatsoever to 
>expect that Jewish settlers would not live in complete harmony with the 
>population's diverse elements," Elton wrote.

The locals might have felt differently had they known that the project
was to displace them or murder them to make way for Jews, just as
would happen in Palestine.

>
>      The Albanian option also had economic advantages. The land was 
>extremely fertile, and if modern agricultural methods were used, it could 
>easily supply the needs of five million people.
>
>      The oranges and lemons, Elton enthused, were the best in the world, 
>and Jews' success in raising oranges in pre-state Israel could be replicated 
>in Albania. Other suggestions included growing tobacco and raising 
>silkworms, and building up the textile and olive-oil industries. The less 
>positive side, according to Elton, was that the capital Tirana had no 
>theaters or concert halls.
>
>      "I believe that if such men and women were pioneers of the right type, 
>they would achieve not only material prosperity quickly, but also the 
>respect and goodwill of the Albanians," Elton wrote to Magnes. He said that 
>"in the course of a very few years, not hundreds but thousands of Jews in 
>all walks of life might follow."
>
>      As a first stage Elton recommended establishing a Jewish national 
>entity in Albania like the one in Mandatory Palestine, with the cooperation 
>of two Zionist movements. Later Albania might even be turned into a Jewish 
>national home.
>
>      It is not known what became of the idea, whether any official body 
>discussed it, and whether Magnes even bothered to answer Elton. The Jews, in 
>any case, did not immigrate in large numbers to Albania. Hadassah Assouline, 
>director of the archive, says the report was probably submitted to the 
>university in 1945 amid the refugee problem at the end of World War II.
>
>      Interestingly enough, Elton's high estimation of the Albanians was 
>borne out during the Holocaust: They saved the country's small Jewish 
>community, down to its very last members.
>


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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:03:26 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>The news that Britney Spears may hit the silver screen as the star of a 
>Holocaust-era romantic tragedy has raised eyebrows in Germany. The plot 
>calls for the pop-star to travel back in time to a concentration camp - and 
>the Central Council of Jews in Germany says the idea is "reprehensible."
>
>After the 2002 cinematic flop "Crossroads," few would have been surprised if 
>teen-talent-turned-adult-disaster Britney Spears never again appeared on the 
>silver screen. According to reports this week, though, Spears is weighing a 
>return to acting - and it is a comeback that Jews in Germany are viewing 
>with extreme distaste.
>
>
>read the rest:
>
>http://kalki666.wordpress.com/2009/0...olocaust-role/ 

Mind you, it wasn't Spears who commissioned the film. I've observed
that whenever Israel needs more money or the world Zionist
organization is in need of cash, one gets a spate of these
preposterous movies designed to reinvigorate the Zionist extortion
racket.

The German authorities need to learn how to turn a deaf ear to these
sorts of demands.


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On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:14:29 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message 
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>> george wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>> "george"  schreef in 
>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try 
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>> From a Canadian War history 
>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>
>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>
>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries 
>>>> with
>>>> dead canadians
>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>
>>> Riiiight.
>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>
>> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks and 
>> Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but fucked it 
>> up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). Thus, the task 
>> fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>
>Fucknob, by the spring of '45' the Wehrmacht was washed up thanks
>to the yanks and Ruskies. You see a much larger battle had been fought.
>Perhaps you've heard of it, it was called the Battle of the Bulge and it
>was won, in the main, by US forces like the 101st Airborne and Patton's
>3rd Armored Division. 
>
Anything that happened in western Germany was small potatoes. The USA
had some success because the Soviets were tying down the bulk of
German forces.

By the time of the Battle of the Bulge, the German authorities were
doing everything short of putting the stupid Yanks on trains to get
them east faster. Major cities such as Frankfurt am Main were given up
without a shot, whereas small railway junctions were hotly contested
in the east. The German authorities clearly had not considered the
possibility that Yanks are actually SO naive and stupid as to pull
back from their demarcation positions after the fighting was over.

American stupidity put all of eastern Europe and large parts of
western Europe under Communist tyranny for more than half a century.
If you think that the Munich agreement was a sellout and
"appeasement", Munich had nothing on the shameful events at Yalta
where stupid American officials pretty much caved in to whatever
Stalin wanted.


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On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:35:50 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>
>"ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht 
>news:Rot1m.5754$iz2.2558@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> "Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message 
>> news:6e366$4a385175$d8fe9ddb$6979@PRIMUS.CA...
>>> george wrote:
>>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>> "george"  schreef in 
>>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>>> From a Canadian War history 
>>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>>
>>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>>
>>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries 
>>>>> with
>>>>> dead canadians
>>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>>
>>>> Riiiight.
>>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>>
>>> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks 
>>> and Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but fucked 
>>> it up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). Thus, the 
>>> task fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>
>> Fucknob, by the spring of '45' the Wehrmacht was washed up thanks
>> to the yanks and Ruskies. You see a much larger battle had been fought.
>> Perhaps you've heard of it, it was called the Battle of the Bulge and it
>> was won, in the main, by US forces like the 101st Airborne and Patton's
>> 3rd Armored Division.
>>bTTLE OFTHE BULGE WAS ANOTHER POOR SHOW BY THE AMERICANS. IT WAS DUE TO THE 
>>FACT THE GERMANS RAN OUT OF PATROL 

Americans have always been really poor soldiers with little
discipline. They do well only if they have a MASSIVE advantage in
material or manpower over their opponents.


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On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:12:14 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:798tr6F1pcdi5U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Like the best Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis, Manis Friedman has won the hearts 
>> of many unaffiliated Jews with his charismatic talks about love and God; 
>> it was Friedman who helped lead Bob Dylan into a relationship with Chabad.
>>
>> But Friedman, who today travels the country as a Chabad speaker, showed a 
>> less warm and cuddly side when he was asked how he thinks Jews should 
>> treat their Arab neighbors.
>>
>> "The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy 
>> sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)," Friedman wrote in 
>> response to the question posed by Moment Magazine for its "Ask the Rabbis" 
>> feature.
>>
>>
>> Friedman argued that if Israel followed this wisdom, there would be "no 
>> civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of 
>> righteousness, in fact, no war."
>>
>> "I don't believe in Western morality," he wrote. "Living by Torah values 
>> will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a 
>> disastrous morality of human invention."
>>
>> Friedman's use of phrasing that might seem more familiar coming from an 
>> Islamic extremist has generated a swift backlash. The editor of Moment, 
>> Nadine Epstein, said that since the piece was printed in the current issue 
>> they "have received many letters and e-mails in response to Rabbi 
>> Friedman's comments - and almost none of them have been positive."
>>
>> Friedman quickly went into damage control. He released a statement to the 
>> Forward, through a Chabad spokesman, saying that his answer in Moment was 
>> "misleading" and that he does believe that "any neighbor of the Jewish 
>> people should be treated, as the Torah commands us, with respect and 
>> compassion."
>>
>> But Friedman's words have generated a debate about whether there is a 
>> darker side to the cheery face that the Chabad-Lubavitch movement shows to 
>> the world in its friendly outreach to unaffiliated Jews. Mordecai 
>> Specktor, editor of the Jewish community newspaper in Friedman's hometown, 
>> St. Paul. Minnesota, said: "The public face of Lubavitch is educational 
>> programs and promoting Yiddishkeit. But I do often hear this hard line 
>> that Friedman expresses here."
>>
>> "He sets things out in pretty stark terms, but I think this is what 
>> Lubavitchers believe, more or less," said Specktor, who is also the 
>> publisher of the American Jewish World.
>>
>> "They are not about loving the Arabs or a two-state solution or any of 
>> that stuff. They are fundamentalists. They are our fundamentalists."
>>
>> Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League and a 
>> regular critic of Arab extremists, said that in the Jewish community, "We 
>> are not immune to having these views. There are people in our community 
>> who have these bigoted, racist views."
>>
>> But, Foxman warned, Friedman's views are not reflective of the Chabad 
>> rabbis he knows. "I am not shocked that there would be a rabbi who would 
>> have these views," Foxman said, "but I am shocked that Moment would give 
>> up all editorial discretion and good sense to publish this as 
>> representative of Chabad."
>>
>> A few days after anger about the comment surfaced, Chabad headquarters 
>> released a statement saying that, "we vehemently disagree with any 
>> sentiment suggesting that Judaism allows for the wanton destruction of 
>> civilian life, even when at war."
>>
>> The statement added: "In keeping with Jewish law, it is the unequivocal 
>> position of Chabad-Lubavitch that all human life is G-d given, precious, 
>> and must be treated with respect, dignity and compassion."
>>
>> In Moment, Friedman's comment is listed as the Chabad response to the 
>> question "How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?" after a number of 
>> answers from rabbis representing other Jewish streams, most of which state 
>> a conciliatory attitude toward Arabs.
>>
>> Epstein said that Friedman was "brave" for stating his views so clearly.
>>
>> "The American Jewish community doesn't have the chance to hear opinions 
>> like this," Epstein said, "not because they are rare, but because we don't 
>> often ask Chabad and other similar groups what they think."
>>
>> The Chabad movement is generally known for its hawkish policies toward the 
>> Palestinians; the Chabad Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, rejected peace 
>> accords with the Palestinians. Rabbi Moshe Feller, the top Chabad rabbi in 
>> Minnesota, said that the rebbe taught that it is not a mitzvah to kill, 
>> but that Jews do have an obligation to act in self-defense.
>>
>> "Jews as a whole, they try to save the lives of others," Feller told the 
>> Forward, "but if it's to save our lives, then we have to do what we have 
>> to do. It's a last resort."
>>
>> Friedman is not a fringe rabbi within the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. He 
>> was the English translator for the Chabad Rebbe, and at the rebbe's 
>> urging, he founded Beis Chana, a network of camps and schools for Jewish 
>> women. Friedman is also a popular speaker and writer on issues of love and 
>> relationships. His first book, "Doesn't Anyone Blush Anymore?" was 
>> promoted with a quote from Bob Dylan, who Friedman brought to meet the 
>> rebbe.
>>
>> On his blog and Facebook page, Friedman's emphasis is on his sympathetic, 
>> caring side. It was this reputation that made the comment in Moment so 
>> surprising to Steve Hunegs, director of the Jewish Community Relations 
>> Council: Minnesota and the Dakotas.
>>
>> "Rabbi Friedman is a best-selling author who addresses some of the most 
>> sensitive issues of the time," Hunegs said. "I intend to call him and talk 
>> to him about this."
>>
>> But Shmarya Rosenberg, a blogger and critic of Chabad who lives a few 
>> blocks from Friedman in Minnesota, says that the comment in Moment is not 
>> an aberration from his experiences with Friedman and many other Chabad 
>> rabbis.
>>
>> "What he's saying is the standard normal view of a Chabadnik," Rosenberg 
>> said. "They just don't say it in public."
>>
>> For his part, Friedman was quick to modify the statement that he wrote in 
>> Moment. He told the Forward that the line about killing women and children 
>> should have been in quotes; he said it is a line from the Torah, though he 
>> declined to specify from which part. Friedman also said that he was not 
>> advocating for Israel to actually kill women and children. Instead, he 
>> said, he believed that Israel should publicly say that it is willing to do 
>> these things in order to scare Palestinians and prevent war.
>>
>> "If we took this policy, no one would be killed - because there would be 
>> no war," Friedman said. "The same is true of the United States."
>>
>> Friedman did acknowledge, however, that in self-defense, the behavior he 
>> talked about would be permissible.
>>
>> "If your children are threatened, you do whatever it takes - and you don't 
>> have to apologize," he said.
>>
>> Friedman argued that he is different from Arab terrorists who have used 
>> similar language about killing Jewish civilians.
>>
>> "When they say it, it's genocide, not self-defense," Friedman said. "With 
>> them, it's a religious belief - they need to rid the area of us. We're not 
>> saying that."
>>
>> Feller, the Chabad leader in Minnesota, said that the way Friedman had 
>> chosen to express himself was "radical."
>>
>> "I love him," Feller said. "I brought him out here - he's magnificent. 
>> He's brought thousands back to Torah mitzvah. But he shoots from the hip 
>> sometimes."
>>
>
>Yes, this is terrible. They should just ship the muslime fucks to live
>with Heine in the Netherlands. After all, he won't mind. ;^) 
>
Your ardent defence of racist terrorists says a lot about you and very
little about Muslims or Arabs.

While one could argue that Islam is a ridiculous collection of fables
and superstitions, this is hardly surprising since Islam is rooted in
Judaism, an even more self-serving collection of myths, lies, fables,
and tribal superstitions.

There isn't that much difference between the drivel coming from the
mouths of superstitious Jews and that coming from the mouths of
superstitious Muslims. The Torah is the ultimate in primitive
barbarism and narrow tribalism. I don't see how anybody can take that
swill seriously.


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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:12:12 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

> "the Germans are staying in there just by the guts of their 
>soldiers. We outnumber them 10 to 1 in infantry, 50 to 1 in artillery and we 
>have total superiority on the air. The Germans are not moving and the SS 
>among them are the bravest.

The Americans have always needed MASSIVE advantages in numbers and in
supplies to do at all well. They have never been particularly adept
soldiers.


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:32:45 -0500, Sara Salzman
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>In article <7atsu7F21ddthU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Heinrich"  wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:catamont-20FFB4.20432029062009@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > In article <7arqqgF20ptkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> > "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine 
>> >> the
>> >> Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other 
>> >> tests,
>> >> a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the
>> >> results:
>> >>
>> >>       1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
>> >>       2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
>> >>       3 Hermann Goering 138
>> >>       4 Karl Doenitz 138
>> >>       5 Franz von Papen 134
>> >>       6 Eric Raeder 134
>> >>       7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
>> >>       8 Hans Fritsche 130
>> >>       9 Baldur von Schirach 130
>> >>       10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
>> >>       11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
>> >>       12 Albert Speer 128
>> >>       13 Alfred Jodl 127
>> >>       14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
>> >>       15 Constantin von Neurath 125
>> >>       16 Walther Funk 124
>> >>       17 Wilhelm Frick 124
>> >>       18 Rudolf Hess 120
>> >>       19 Fritz Sauckel 118
>> >>       20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
>> >>       21 Julius Streicher 106
>> >>
>> >> You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of the Nazi
>> >> Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in The Reich
>> >> Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.
>> >>
>> >> Notice that there is a clear correlation of IQ with social status. 
>> >> Notice,
>> >> as I've pointed out before, that success in the practical socio-econimc
>> >> sense usually goes to those with IQs between 125 and 150. And finally,
>> >> notice that there are no towering IQs in the 150 plus range, as one would
>> >> expect from theoreticians. None of these men were original thinkers.
>> >>
>> >> What was Hitler's IQ? We will never know for sure, but we can guess that 
>> >> it
>> >> wasn't much different from those at the top of this list. He wasn't an
>> >> original thinker either.
>> >
>> > Ahh, but Dr. Gilbert was a Jew. Why do you believe what he says?
>> >
>> > -- 
>> jews donot always lie 
>
>In other words, "I believe Jews when it suits my purpose." Thanks for 
>admitting it.

Dr. Gilbert had nothing to gain by generating false reports here,
whereas the holocaust industry is a multi-billion dollar business and
well worth supporting with a few lies.



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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:09:06 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>On Jun 29, 6:36 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine the
>> Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other tests,
>> a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the
>> results:
>>
>>       1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
>>       2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
>>       3 Hermann Goering 138
>>       4 Karl Doenitz 138
>>       5 Franz von Papen 134
>>       6 Eric Raeder 134
>>       7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
>>       8 Hans Fritsche 130
>>       9 Baldur von Schirach 130
>>       10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
>>       11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
>>       12 Albert Speer 128
>>       13 Alfred Jodl 127
>>       14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
>>       15 Constantin von Neurath 125
>>       16 Walther Funk 124
>>       17 Wilhelm Frick 124
>>       18 Rudolf Hess 120
>>       19 Fritz Sauckel 118
>>       20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
>>       21 Julius Streicher 106
>>
>> You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of the Nazi
>> Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in The Reich
>> Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.
>>
>> Notice that there is a clear correlation of IQ with social status. Notice,
>> as I've pointed out before, that success in the practical socio-econimc
>> sense usually goes to those with IQs between 125 and 150. And finally,
>> notice that there are no towering IQs in the 150 plus range, as one would
>> expect from theoreticians. None of these men were original thinkers.
>>
>> What was Hitler's IQ? We will never know for sure, but we can guess that it
>> wasn't much different from those at the top of this list. He wasn't an
>> original thinker either.
>
>Well I quit the party because of your disagreement that the Fuhrer was
>200 IQ... ha...
>
>BTW, how do you spell Fuhrer, like this Fuehrer or Fuhrer?

In German, the word "leader" is Führer. All the versions used on this
newsgroup are wrong most of the time, along with most of the context.


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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:43:46 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jun 29, 6:30 pm, "TDNY"  wrote:
>> Yes, it was a lot of cash.
>>
>> But still it was just that, only money.
>>
>> Bernie didn't invade a foreign country and kill thousands of people.
>>
>> Bernie was not a serial killer, rapist, criminal.
>>
>> Bernie did not cause the floods that sent people fleeing into Noah's Ark.
>>
>> Bernie, just took a lot of money, from mostly very wealthy people,
>> and took them for a sweet ride.
>>
>> Some people were not rich, but a lot were.
>>
>> And they din't mind, giving Bernie a million or two,
>> as long as they got a good amount back in return,
>> no questions asked.
>>
>> They didn't have to invest with Bernie.
>>
>> There is something about a show business spectacle to all of this.
>>
>> Bernie is too old, to sit in jail.
>>
>> Let him out, without the cash, and see how he fares.
>
>He's a fall guy.  A patsy if you will.  150 years is crazy.  There's
>bigger fraudsters working the Washington political scene.

The U.S. "justice" system is absurd and also ineffective. It is one of
the harshest criminal codes on earth, and yet has totally failed to
produce a well-ordered society.


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:29:50 -0700 (PDT), StarDust 
wrote:

>No US funded museums for these people to remember, for sure!
>
>The fate of German immigrants during WW II in the U.S. finally gets a
>hearing
>| By Uwe Siemon-Netto
>
>After war broke out between the U.S. and Germany 67 years ago, 11,000
>German immigrants, including women and children, were sent to
>detention camps. Unlike ex-detainees of Japanese descent, they never
>received an apology. Finally, a Congressional subcommittee has begun
>looking into their fate. Eberhard E. Fuhr, who spent nearly five years
>in confinement, is one of them still around.
>
>When you talk to Eberhard E. Fuhr, he sounds just like what he is: an
>elderly gentleman from the Midwest; educated, articulate, humorous,
>contented with his past career as a corporate executive; proud of his
>three children, eight grandchildren and three great-grandchildren; and
>pleased with his ranch-style home in Palatine, Illinois. In short, he
>is very American but when pressed he admits: “Sometimes I still feel
>like an outsider here.”

What do people expect of the ignorant and brain-dead Americans? This
the bunch that attacked Dachshund dogs in 1917 because they were
German. For practical purposes, the adjective "American" is a synonym
for "retarded" or "stupid".

>
>Fuhr can’t remember the German village of Wiesdorf near Leverkusen
>where he was born as a baker’s son 84 years ago. Nor does he recall
>crossing the Atlantic, wearing a sailor’s uniform as little European
>boys did in those days, back in 1928.
>
>What he will not forget was that day in August 1942 when U.S. agents
>came to the Fuhrs’ brick house on Baymiller Street in Cincinnati to
>detain his parents and his younger brother, Gerhard. Neither can he
>forget his own arrest seven months later, nor the years of captivity
>that followed.
>
>Fuhr lost his freedom while he was a senior at Woodward High School in
>Cincinnati, where he had been an excellent student and coveted
>athlete. He was quick-witted, too. With a chortle, he relates the
>inane question put to him by the Civilian Alien Hearing Board: “What
>would you say to your German cousin if he came to you for sanctuary
>after coming up the Ohio River in his German U-boat?” Fuhr shot back:
>“The Ohio River drafts only four feet; it’s not deep enough for
>submarines.”
>
>With sadness, he reminisces about the behavior of the Lutheran parish
>to which the Fuhr family belonged. After his parents’ arrest, he and
>his older brother Julius continued to live in their modest family home
>for a while. “The church elders stopped by demanding our parents’
>pledge – when we could not make payment, our parents were dropped from
>the church’s rolls,” said Fuhr, now a practicing member of a Lutheran
>congregation in Palatine.
>
>When Fuhr and his brother were eventually led away in handcuffs, they
>were 17 and 18, respectively. The were first incarcerated in Hamilton
>County Prison where felons yelled threats at them from neighboring
>cells, calling them Nazis, Krauts and Huns. “Worse than this
>experience was the humiliating and painful way by which we were driven
>from Cincinnati to Chicago – in the backseat of a car, handcuffed all
>the way to my belt and to my brother in a manner forcing us to face
>each other all the time, even when nature called,” he recalled. “It
>was excruciating.”
>
>He insists that he and his family had nothing to do with the Nazis,
>who came to power in Germany after the Fuhrs had left. “My parents
>were faithful Christians, and if they had any political leanings at
>all they felt nostalgia for the monarchy,” he said. In the scorpion-
>infested detention camp in Crystal City, Texas, where the Fuhr family
>was finally reunited, Fuhr did become aware of some captives
>celebrating Hitler’s birthday on April 20. “But on the whole, I rarely
>heard German inmates expressing sympathy for the Nazis,” he said.
>
>In the Crystal City camp, the Fuhrs learned that their Cincinnati home
>had been ransacked. “Everything was taken, our furniture, stamp
>collection, piano, violin, even our family photographs and all private
>memorabilia whose loss my mother mourned until she died in 1961,” Fuhr
>said. “My father asked the camp authorities to grant him leave so that
>he could secure his house. They said, ‘Sure, if you are prepared to
>pay for the time and travel of three armed guards.’ My father did not
>have that kind of money; as a baker he had never made more than $35
>per week.” The Fuhrs lost their house to foreclosure as did many other
>detainees.
>
>In the Crystal City camp, the Fuhrs lived side-by-side with Japanese
>families. “German and Japanese babies were born on the same table,” he
>recalled. “The only difference between them was that after the war the
>Japanese children received restitution and the Germans did not.” But
>the relationship between the two groups was friendly. “We played
>baseball together,” he added. “Later, when Peruvian detainees of
>Japanese extraction joined us, they proved to be great soccer
>partners.”
>
>The U.S. government had persuaded Latin American governments to arrest
>some of their citizens and residents of German, Austrian and Japanese
>extractions and send them to the U.S. for internment. About 4,050
>Germans, including Jews, were transported north in dark, dank holds of
>ships and were rarely allowed on deck. “Some were of dark complexion,
>suggesting Hispanic ancestry,” Fuhr recalled. “We welcomed their
>arrival because they brought their wonderful music with them, making
>life in the camp more bearable.”
>
>Such distraction was much appreciated in Crystal City, a hellishly hot
>place just north of the Mexican border teeming with thousands of
>inmates living in family units, watched over by armed guards in
>lookout towers. “We were not mistreated,” he said. “Our guards simply
>did their jobs. Still, in a way we civilians were worse off than
>German prisoners of war who were allowed out of their camps and often
>lived on farms.”
>
>The inmates’ mail was censored; they were cut off from the outside
>world. They had no real dollars, which they could have used beyond
>their barbed wire fence but were paid in SCRIP, a substitute currency
>without legal tender. It was accepted only in the camp’s own store and
>at its farm that grew vegetables.
>
>The best thing that happened to Fuhr in Crystal City was meeting his
>future wife, Barbara, the daughter of a German wire service
>correspondent who refused to be repatriated when war broke out and
>instead, insisted on remaining in the United States with his American
>wife and child. So they were interned. But marriage between Fuhr and
>Barbara had to wait well beyond the end of World War II in 1945. First
>the Fuhrs had to stay on in Crystal City to help dismantle the camp.
>Then they were transferred to Ellis Island, N.Y. where conditions were
>worse, where the food was barely edible and where the detainees were
>allowed only brief moments in the open air every day.
>
>It wasn’t until 1948 that the last German-American detainees were
>released from Ellis Island due to efforts of Republican Senator
>William Langer from North Dakota. Before they were allowed to go, most
>were made to sign secrecy oaths. “Many (were) threatened with
>deportation with no prospect of return if they spoke of their ordeal,”
>according to Karen E. Ebel, an internee’s daughter heading the German
>American Internee Coalition. “Many internees, always fearful, (took)
>their secret to their graves [...] Reportedly, camp employees (were
>also made to) sign oaths of secrecy.”
>
>After their release, most detainees faced destitution. Their bank
>accounts were frozen, their properties gone. Worse still, their
>wartime experience of humiliation and stigmatization left them with
>“deep psychological scars,” said Fuhr. “This is why we must encourage
>these people to tell their story without fear of recrimination. They
>are not criminals but persons caught in the web of wartime hysteria.”
>
>Largely due to organizations such as Ebel’s, the House of
>Representatives Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Immigration,
>Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security and International Law began
>debating their fate this spring. In a hearing, it focused on the U.S.
>treatment of European Americans, Latin Americans, Japanese Latin
>Americans and Jewish refugees during World War II.
>
>Whether in years to come German-American victims of U.S. detention
>policies in World War II will receive compensation as did their
>Japanese and Italian counterparts, is doubtful, according to Fuhr. “At
>any rate, even if money was offered to me I wouldn’t take it. I was
>not the one who lost everything: my father was and he is dead.”
>
>Despite losing years of his youth, Fuhr did well in life. Working as a
>secretary, his wife Barbara paid for his education, which allowed him
>to finish high school, graduate from college with honors, and then
>obtain an MBA. Then followed a successful career in industry: His last
>position was that of national sales manager of Pioneer Plastics
>Corporation, a leading producer of high quality laminates.
>
>“I was blessed with a wonderful marriage of 56 years,” said Fuhr,
>whose wife died a few years ago. “I have been to Germany six times and
>developed a sense of belonging there.” But of course he knows that
>this is no option for him. He will doubtlessly live out his days in
>America, loved by his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren
>– and to live with his memories but not in the way other former
>detainees did. They suffered their shame silently. Fuhr is determined
>to continue speaking out.
>
>http://theatlantictimes.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-u-boat-on-ohio-river.html


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:13:07 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>In Canada here Japanese Canadians have been expropriated and sent to 
>detention camps. Their property was sold for a slaughter price but most 
>likely you will never read about it in the news papers.

Unfortunately, Canadian authorities tend to fall for many of the same
hysterical episodes as hit south of the border.

Essentially, the Canadian government of the day proved conclusively
that Canadian citizenship provides no legal protection against
anything and is essentially worthless. A few people recently marooned
in foreign countries have made this same discovery anew.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:d36k451o8b3q0cl4kla9oth10ftrmugjrd@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:29:50 -0700 (PDT), StarDust 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>No US funded museums for these people to remember, for sure!
>>>
>>>The fate of German immigrants during WW II in the U.S. finally gets a
>>>hearing
>>>| By Uwe Siemon-Netto
>>>
>>>After war broke out between the U.S. and Germany 67 years ago, 11,000
>>>German immigrants, including women and children, were sent to
>>>detention camps. Unlike ex-detainees of Japanese descent, they never
>>>received an apology. Finally, a Congressional subcommittee has begun
>>>looking into their fate. Eberhard E. Fuhr, who spent nearly five years
>>>in confinement, is one of them still around.
>>>
>>>When you talk to Eberhard E. Fuhr, he sounds just like what he is: an
>>>elderly gentleman from the Midwest; educated, articulate, humorous,
>>>contented with his past career as a corporate executive; proud of his
>>>three children, eight grandchildren and three great-grandchildren; and
>>>pleased with his ranch-style home in Palatine, Illinois. In short, he
>>>is very American but when pressed he admits: "Sometimes I still feel
>>>like an outsider here."
>>
>> What do people expect of the ignorant and brain-dead Americans? This
>> the bunch that attacked Dachshund dogs in 1917 because they were
>> German. For practical purposes, the adjective "American" is a synonym
>> for "retarded" or "stupid".
>>
>>>
>>>Fuhr can't remember the German village of Wiesdorf near Leverkusen
>>>where he was born as a baker's son 84 years ago. Nor does he recall
>>>crossing the Atlantic, wearing a sailor's uniform as little European
>>>boys did in those days, back in 1928.
>>>
>>>What he will not forget was that day in August 1942 when U.S. agents
>>>came to the Fuhrs' brick house on Baymiller Street in Cincinnati to
>>>detain his parents and his younger brother, Gerhard. Neither can he
>>>forget his own arrest seven months later, nor the years of captivity
>>>that followed.
>>>
>>>Fuhr lost his freedom while he was a senior at Woodward High School in
>>>Cincinnati, where he had been an excellent student and coveted
>>>athlete. He was quick-witted, too. With a chortle, he relates the
>>>inane question put to him by the Civilian Alien Hearing Board: "What
>>>would you say to your German cousin if he came to you for sanctuary
>>>after coming up the Ohio River in his German U-boat?" Fuhr shot back:
>>>"The Ohio River drafts only four feet; it's not deep enough for
>>>submarines."
>>>
>>>With sadness, he reminisces about the behavior of the Lutheran parish
>>>to which the Fuhr family belonged. After his parents' arrest, he and
>>>his older brother Julius continued to live in their modest family home
>>>for a while. "The church elders stopped by demanding our parents'
>>>pledge - when we could not make payment, our parents were dropped from
>>>the church's rolls," said Fuhr, now a practicing member of a Lutheran
>>>congregation in Palatine.
>>>
>>>When Fuhr and his brother were eventually led away in handcuffs, they
>>>were 17 and 18, respectively. The were first incarcerated in Hamilton
>>>County Prison where felons yelled threats at them from neighboring
>>>cells, calling them Nazis, Krauts and Huns. "Worse than this
>>>experience was the humiliating and painful way by which we were driven
>>>from Cincinnati to Chicago - in the backseat of a car, handcuffed all
>>>the way to my belt and to my brother in a manner forcing us to face
>>>each other all the time, even when nature called," he recalled. "It
>>>was excruciating."
>>>
>>>He insists that he and his family had nothing to do with the Nazis,
>>>who came to power in Germany after the Fuhrs had left. "My parents
>>>were faithful Christians, and if they had any political leanings at
>>>all they felt nostalgia for the monarchy," he said. In the scorpion-
>>>infested detention camp in Crystal City, Texas, where the Fuhr family
>>>was finally reunited, Fuhr did become aware of some captives
>>>celebrating Hitler's birthday on April 20. "But on the whole, I rarely
>>>heard German inmates expressing sympathy for the Nazis," he said.
>>>
>>>In the Crystal City camp, the Fuhrs learned that their Cincinnati home
>>>had been ransacked. "Everything was taken, our furniture, stamp
>>>collection, piano, violin, even our family photographs and all private
>>>memorabilia whose loss my mother mourned until she died in 1961," Fuhr
>>>said. "My father asked the camp authorities to grant him leave so that
>>>he could secure his house. They said, 'Sure, if you are prepared to
>>>pay for the time and travel of three armed guards.' My father did not
>>>have that kind of money; as a baker he had never made more than $35
>>>per week." The Fuhrs lost their house to foreclosure as did many other
>>>detainees.
>>>
>>>In the Crystal City camp, the Fuhrs lived side-by-side with Japanese
>>>families. "German and Japanese babies were born on the same table," he
>>>recalled. "The only difference between them was that after the war the
>>>Japanese children received restitution and the Germans did not." But
>>>the relationship between the two groups was friendly. "We played
>>>baseball together," he added. "Later, when Peruvian detainees of
>>>Japanese extraction joined us, they proved to be great soccer
>>>partners."
>>>
>>>The U.S. government had persuaded Latin American governments to arrest
>>>some of their citizens and residents of German, Austrian and Japanese
>>>extractions and send them to the U.S. for internment. About 4,050
>>>Germans, including Jews, were transported north in dark, dank holds of
>>>ships and were rarely allowed on deck. "Some were of dark complexion,
>>>suggesting Hispanic ancestry," Fuhr recalled. "We welcomed their
>>>arrival because they brought their wonderful music with them, making
>>>life in the camp more bearable."
>>>
>>>Such distraction was much appreciated in Crystal City, a hellishly hot
>>>place just north of the Mexican border teeming with thousands of
>>>inmates living in family units, watched over by armed guards in
>>>lookout towers. "We were not mistreated," he said. "Our guards simply
>>>did their jobs. Still, in a way we civilians were worse off than
>>>German prisoners of war who were allowed out of their camps and often
>>>lived on farms."
>>>
>>>The inmates' mail was censored; they were cut off from the outside
>>>world. They had no real dollars, which they could have used beyond
>>>their barbed wire fence but were paid in SCRIP, a substitute currency
>>>without legal tender. It was accepted only in the camp's own store and
>>>at its farm that grew vegetables.
>>>
>>>The best thing that happened to Fuhr in Crystal City was meeting his
>>>future wife, Barbara, the daughter of a German wire service
>>>correspondent who refused to be repatriated when war broke out and
>>>instead, insisted on remaining in the United States with his American
>>>wife and child. So they were interned. But marriage between Fuhr and
>>>Barbara had to wait well beyond the end of World War II in 1945. First
>>>the Fuhrs had to stay on in Crystal City to help dismantle the camp.
>>>Then they were transferred to Ellis Island, N.Y. where conditions were
>>>worse, where the food was barely edible and where the detainees were
>>>allowed only brief moments in the open air every day.
>>>
>>>It wasn't until 1948 that the last German-American detainees were
>>>released from Ellis Island due to efforts of Republican Senator
>>>William Langer from North Dakota. Before they were allowed to go, most
>>>were made to sign secrecy oaths. "Many (were) threatened with
>>>deportation with no prospect of return if they spoke of their ordeal,"
>>>according to Karen E. Ebel, an internee's daughter heading the German
>>>American Internee Coalition. "Many internees, always fearful, (took)
>>>their secret to their graves [...] Reportedly, camp employees (were
>>>also made to) sign oaths of secrecy."
>>>
>>>After their release, most detainees faced destitution. Their bank
>>>accounts were frozen, their properties gone. Worse still, their
>>>wartime experience of humiliation and stigmatization left them with
>>>"deep psychological scars," said Fuhr. "This is why we must encourage
>>>these people to tell their story without fear of recrimination. They
>>>are not criminals but persons caught in the web of wartime hysteria."
>>>
>>>Largely due to organizations such as Ebel's, the House of
>>>Representatives Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration,
>>>Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security and International Law began
>>>debating their fate this spring. In a hearing, it focused on the U.S.
>>>treatment of European Americans, Latin Americans, Japanese Latin
>>>Americans and Jewish refugees during World War II.
>>>
>>>Whether in years to come German-American victims of U.S. detention
>>>policies in World War II will receive compensation as did their
>>>Japanese and Italian counterparts, is doubtful, according to Fuhr. "At
>>>any rate, even if money was offered to me I wouldn't take it. I was
>>>not the one who lost everything: my father was and he is dead."
>>>
>>>Despite losing years of his youth, Fuhr did well in life. Working as a
>>>secretary, his wife Barbara paid for his education, which allowed him
>>>to finish high school, graduate from college with honors, and then
>>>obtain an MBA. Then followed a successful career in industry: His last
>>>position was that of national sales manager of Pioneer Plastics
>>>Corporation, a leading producer of high quality laminates.
>>>
>>>"I was blessed with a wonderful marriage of 56 years," said Fuhr,
>>>whose wife died a few years ago. "I have been to Germany six times and
>>>developed a sense of belonging there." But of course he knows that
>>>this is no option for him. He will doubtlessly live out his days in
>>>America, loved by his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren
>>>- and to live with his memories but not in the way other former
>>>detainees did. They suffered their shame silently. Fuhr is determined
>>>to continue speaking out.
>>>
>>>http://theatlantictimes.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-u-boat-on-ohio-river.html 
>


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:55:12 -0500, Topaz 
wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:46:19 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:09:06 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 29, 6:36 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>> In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine the
>>>> Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other tests,
>>>> a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the
>>>> results:
>>>>
>>>>       1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
>>>>       2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
>>>>       3 Hermann Goering 138
>>>>       4 Karl Doenitz 138
>>>>       5 Franz von Papen 134
>>>>       6 Eric Raeder 134
>>>>       7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
>>>>       8 Hans Fritsche 130
>>>>       9 Baldur von Schirach 130
>>>>       10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
>>>>       11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
>>>>       12 Albert Speer 128
>>>>       13 Alfred Jodl 127
>>>>       14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
>>>>       15 Constantin von Neurath 125
>>>>       16 Walther Funk 124
>>>>       17 Wilhelm Frick 124
>>>>       18 Rudolf Hess 120
>>>>       19 Fritz Sauckel 118
>>>>       20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
>>>>       21 Julius Streicher 106
>>>>
>>>> You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of the Nazi
>>>> Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in The Reich
>>>> Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.
>>>>
>>>> Notice that there is a clear correlation of IQ with social status. Notice,
>>>> as I've pointed out before, that success in the practical socio-econimc
>>>> sense usually goes to those with IQs between 125 and 150. And finally,
>>>> notice that there are no towering IQs in the 150 plus range, as one would
>>>> expect from theoreticians. None of these men were original thinkers.
>>>>
>>>> What was Hitler's IQ? We will never know for sure, but we can guess that it
>>>> wasn't much different from those at the top of this list. He wasn't an
>>>> original thinker either.
>>>
>>>Well I quit the party because of your disagreement that the Fuhrer was
>>>200 IQ... ha...
>>>
>>>BTW, how do you spell Fuhrer, like this Fuehrer or Fuhrer?
>>
>>In German, the word "leader" is Führer. All the versions used on this
>>newsgroup are wrong most of the time, along with most of the context.
>
> If you don't have the dots on your keyboard, put an e after the u
>
>
>http://www.ihr.org/     www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/    
>
>http://www.natvan.com   http://www.nsm88.org
>
>http://heretical.com/   http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/

The letter ü can be made with alt-129. In other words, hold down the
alt key and type 129 on your number pad.

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:56:03 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>On Jun 30, 7:46 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:09:06 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 29, 6:36 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine the
>> >> Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other tests,
>> >> a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the
>> >> results:
>>
>> >>       1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
>> >>       2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
>> >>       3 Hermann Goering 138
>> >>       4 Karl Doenitz 138
>> >>       5 Franz von Papen 134
>> >>       6 Eric Raeder 134
>> >>       7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
>> >>       8 Hans Fritsche 130
>> >>       9 Baldur von Schirach 130
>> >>       10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
>> >>       11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
>> >>       12 Albert Speer 128
>> >>       13 Alfred Jodl 127
>> >>       14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
>> >>       15 Constantin von Neurath 125
>> >>       16 Walther Funk 124
>> >>       17 Wilhelm Frick 124
>> >>       18 Rudolf Hess 120
>> >>       19 Fritz Sauckel 118
>> >>       20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
>> >>       21 Julius Streicher 106
>>
>> >> You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of the Nazi
>> >> Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in The Reich
>> >> Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.
>>
>> >> Notice that there is a clear correlation of IQ with social status. Notice,
>> >> as I've pointed out before, that success in the practical socio-econimc
>> >> sense usually goes to those with IQs between 125 and 150. And finally,
>> >> notice that there are no towering IQs in the 150 plus range, as one would
>> >> expect from theoreticians. None of these men were original thinkers.
>>
>> >> What was Hitler's IQ? We will never know for sure, but we can guess that it
>> >> wasn't much different from those at the top of this list. He wasn't an
>> >> original thinker either.
>>
>> >Well I quit the party because of your disagreement that the Fuhrer was
>> >200 IQ... ha...
>>
>> >BTW, how do you spell Fuhrer, like this Fuehrer or Fuhrer?
>>
>> In German, the word "leader" is Führer. All the versions used on this
>> newsgroup are wrong most of the time, along with most of the context.-
>
>Well how do you make those two dot thingys above the u?

Hold down the alt key while typing 129 on your number pad. When you
release the alt key, the character ü should appear.

You can also get the special characters using 4-digit codes along with
the alt key.

Ä	alt-0196
ä	alt-0228
Ö	alt-0214
ö	alt-0246
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:13:50 -0700 (PDT), snakehawk
 wrote:

>On Jun 23, 6:14 pm, Ayatollah Dank CDXX 
>wrote:
>> On Jun 23, 11:06 am, snakehawk  wrote:
>>
>> > Leave it to the Wall Street Journal to keep us on the right track.  Of
>> > course, we'd all like to provide affordable health care to all those
>> > millions of citizens who have been left out; it's just that it would
>> > be unconstitutional.  Who wouldn't want children and the working poor
>> > to be able to see doctors and buy medicine?  Who in their right minds
>> > would argue that insurance company profits must come before universal
>> > healthcare? But we must abide by the Constitution.
>>
>> That pesky Constitution!  Anyway, the 'right to privacy' is not
>> specifically mentioned in the Constitution, it was interpreted by a
>> liberal Supreme Court to guarantee women the right to abortion.  In
>> fact, leftist abortion advocates fight any attempts to violate the
>> confidentiality of women who have received abortions.
>>
>> Now the same leftists who fight to keep abortion records confidential
>> and out of the hands of the government are encouraging the government
>> to create a national health care system where the government will have
>> access to ALL medical records and will also have the power to DENY
>> access to various medical procedures.  How does the government
>> involving itself in your personal medical decisions not violate your
>> right to privacy?  Why are only women and only the abortion procedure
>> subject to privacy rights?
>>
>> Unlike Republitards, I do believe a right to privacy exists, though it
>> is implied by the 9th Amendment rather than the 14th.  You do not even
>> need to violate the Constitution to create a national health care
>> system, all you have to do is ratify a constitutional amendment to
>> allow it.  Since the left claims the vast majority of Americans want
>> national health care, ratifying such an amendment should be easy.
>
>The Wall Street Journal is full of crap.  No provision in the
>Constitution will bar government administered health care.  The right
>of privacy is a red herring.  Hell, the U.S. government already has
>all records on your personal statistics, your address, your phone
>number, your earnings, your military service record, and your criminal
>records.  The idea that it is unconstitutional for the government to
>maintain medical records of people who choose a government-run health
>plan is so palpably stupid, I am astounded the editors would even
>allow such tripe in their publication.  But that's how low the once
>respected Wall Street Journal has sunk.

It seems that the only things unconstitutional in the USA are things
that threaten to benefit the ordinary people.

The USA exists for the benefit of a small clique of wealthy people who
exploit everybody else.


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:31:22 +0000 (UTC), acoustic@panix.com (lo
yeeOn) wrote:

>The Kennedy Health Choice Act, according to the CBO (Congressional
>Budget Office), would cost 1 to 1.6 trillion USD (over the next 10
>years) to rescue one 3rd of the 47 million Americans who currently
>have no health insurance.  The number itself, though staggering,
>translates into just about ten thousand dollars for each rescued
>uninsured American (using the 1.6 trillion figure).

That is actually quite cheap compared to America's countless wars.

>
>It's high!  But it reflects two things: a) A bitter reality of the
>American society and b) if we would fight one less foreign war for the
>next 10 years, we would have more than enough to finance this publicly
>financed health care option, given that we have been spending a lot
>more than one hundred billion USD a year to finance the Afghan and the
>Iraq War.
>
>The bitter reality of the US society is: everything is now way out of
>our reach, way too expensive, not just for the individual, but also
>for the government to have.
>
>The doctors are charging too much.  The hospitals are run by huge
>bureaucracies with a great number of middle people who are employed
>not to heal you but to fill out paperwork.  There are too many
>way-over-paid ethicists who are there solely to advise you that it's
>ethical for the hospitals and doctors to kill you.  There are too many
>interventionists who are knowingly performing unnecessary procedures
>to kill you and make a lot of money from doing it before you die.  And
>the insurance companies are playing along because they are in this to
>make some money as everybody in this country is encouraged to make as
>much money as possible before you die.  And of course there are the
>ambulance-chasing lawyers who would not be left behind in this grand
>scheme of pursuing individual happiness only money can buy.
>
>Health care is supposedly a fundamental human right in a modern
>society, yet our Congresspeople and our Senators and Senatresses are
>saying that people who don't have health care can wait while they fund
>two wars year after year to kill innocent foreigners.
>
>And it's not just the Republicans.  The Democrats are in the scam to
>deny Americans one of their fundamental human rights.
>
>The high cost of providing health care also explains why it's harder
>to make money running a business that employs people today - spending
>at least a whopping 10,000 dollars a year for each hire.  Wages,
>price, and the general unproductivity, as well as the inflationary
>pressure of our hegemonic foreign policy together have conspired to
>make every little basic necessity unaffordable for the individual.
>
>The Obama administration is doing nothing to help change America even
>though it cannot be held responsible for the existing conditions which
>are condemning it to the bitter reality it's in today.
>
>America's largest recession since the 1930s could have been a valuable
>lesson for it to change.  But instead, our government bailed out the
>banks and is now telling the people that America is back to business
>as usual.  New college graduates who taught just for a year are now
>laid off by large numbers.  And funding for new technologies is so
>small (compared with the war expenses and the bailouts for banks), no
>one can hold any hope that America will be productive and profitable
>again soon.  Now, even the investment in education is going down the
>drain in the name of recession, we should not hope for productivity to
>return for at least a generation.
>
>What a great country America is today!
>
>lo yeeOn
>========
>
>In article ,
>Lone Wolf  wrote:
>>President Obama is trying to halt a slow descent of his once sky-high 
>>political fortunes amid signs that Congress may balk at the price of health 
>>care reforms and voters want more him to focus more on cutting federal 
>>deficits.
>>
>>Today he will hold a Rose Garden press conference at the White House where 
>>warning lights have flashed in recent days over polls that indicate his long 
>>honeymoon with the American public could be nearing its end.
>>
>>By any measure Mr Obama remains hugely popular, but his approval ratings 
>>have slipped over the past three months from the mid-60s to an average of 
>>58.7 per cent. A survey by Rasmussen yesterday found just 54 per cent of 
>>voters say he is doing a good job, the lowest proportion since his 
>>inauguration.
>>
>>Although other polling organisations suggest he is doing better than that, 
>>they also show a sharp drop in support among independent voters and growing 
>>doubts about the Administration's high-spending policies.
>>
>>Peter Hart, a pollster who conducted a Wall St Journal/NBC survey this 
>>month, said Mr Obama is still receiving a bouquet from Americans "but there 
>>are a lot more thorns in [it]". A CBS /New York Times Poll last week found 
>>that by 52 per cent to 41 per cent, voters would prefer him to reduce 
>>ballooning trillion-dollar annual federal deficits rather than spending to 
>>stimulate the economy.
>>
>>Yesterday the President heralded an agreement with the pharmaceutical 
>>industry, cutting $80 billion (£49 billion) from the cost of providing drugs 
>>to old people, as "a significant breakthrough on the road to health care 
>>reform".
>>
>>He reiterated that he expected Congress this year to enact flagship 
>>legislation - still supported by the overwhelming majority of voters - for 
>>extending health care to millions of uninsured Americans.
>>
>>"To those who've grown accustomed to sky-is-falling prognoses and the 
>>certainties that we cannot get this done, I have to repeat and revive an old 
>>saying we had from the campaign: 'Yes, we can'. We are going to get this 
>>done," he said.
>>
>>Last week Republicans and some fiscally-conservative Democrats reacted with 
>>horror to estimates from the Congressional Budget Office that proposals for 
>>this flagship legislation would cost more than $1 trillion - while buying 
>>coverage for only a third of America's 47 million uninsured. It later priced 
>>a second version of health care legislation, which would cover two thirds of 
>>those without insurance, at $1.6 trillion. Diane Feinstein, a senior 
>>Democratic Senator, suggested at the weekend that concern about these costs 
>>might mean Mr Obama lacks the votes needed to get a Bill through Congress 
>>this year.
>>
>>At a Democratic fundraising dinner last week, however, Mr Obama urged his 
>>party to brace itself for tougher times ahead. "This is when the criticism 
>>gets louder, this is when the pundits grow impatient," he said. "This is 
>>when the cynicism mounts. This is when we hear the same voices advocating 
>>the same old policies that got us in this mess in the first place. This is 
>>when we hear that the change we seek just isn't possible."
>>
>>from:
>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6557276.ece 
>>
>


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
 wrote:

>On Jun 24, 8:12 pm, David Johnston  wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 23, 7:13 pm, snakehawk  wrote:
>> >> On Jun 23, 6:14 pm, Ayatollah Dank CDXX 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Jun 23, 11:06 am, snakehawk  wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Leave it to the Wall Street Journal to keep us on the right track.  Of
>> >> > > course, we'd all like to provide affordable health care to all those
>> >> > > millions of citizens who have been left out; it's just that it would
>> >> > > be unconstitutional.  Who wouldn't want children and the working poor
>> >> > > to be able to see doctors and buy medicine?  Who in their right minds
>> >> > > would argue that insurance company profits must come before universal
>> >> > > healthcare? But we must abide by the Constitution.
>>
>> >> > That pesky Constitution!  Anyway, the 'right to privacy' is not
>> >> > specifically mentioned in the Constitution, it was interpreted by a
>> >> > liberal Supreme Court to guarantee women the right to abortion.  In
>> >> > fact, leftist abortion advocates fight any attempts to violate the
>> >> > confidentiality of women who have received abortions.
>>
>> >> > Now the same leftists who fight to keep abortion records confidential
>> >> > and out of the hands of the government are encouraging the government
>> >> > to create a national health care system where the government will have
>> >> > access to ALL medical records and will also have the power to DENY
>> >> > access to various medical procedures.  How does the government
>> >> > involving itself in your personal medical decisions not violate your
>> >> > right to privacy?  Why are only women and only the abortion procedure
>> >> > subject to privacy rights?
>>
>> >> > Unlike Republitards, I do believe a right to privacy exists, though it
>> >> > is implied by the 9th Amendment rather than the 14th.  You do not even
>> >> > need to violate the Constitution to create a national health care
>> >> > system, all you have to do is ratify a constitutional amendment to
>> >> > allow it.  Since the left claims the vast majority of Americans want
>> >> > national health care, ratifying such an amendment should be easy.
>>
>> >> The Wall Street Journal is full of crap.  No provision in the
>> >> Constitution will bar government administered health care.  
>>
>> >Actually, the Constitution SPECIFICALLY states what the Government may
>> >raise funds for,
>>
>> Yeah you can't get more specific than "general welfare".  
>
>Which has nothing to do with the discussion. Promoting the general
>welfare is NOT funding it.

How else does one "promote" something like health without funding it?
Do you really think that the people who framed the constitution had in
mind empty rhetoric such as "Everybody deserves to be healthy" without
taking any measures to make it happen?


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:57:20 -0700 (PDT), rich murphy
 wrote:

>
>Germany is experiencing difficulty in diagnosing the root of mounting
>incidents of violence and racist attacks. And yet the same increasing
>violent and racist Germany with its close ally France, is looking down
>on Turks and Turkiye, are rejecting Turkiye's EU membership.
>
>If it were up to me, I would keep Turkiye and its people away from
>racist and Christianinst EU.
>
>
>http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=2056
>
>THERE IS A PROBLEM OF DIAGNOSIS IN GERMANY
>
>24 June 2009
>
>  Germany has yet to overcome the shock of the bloody school siege.
>Unfortunately, as it has done in the past, Germany could experience
>more painful experiences in the future. The country is experiencing
>difficulty in diagnosing the root of mounting incidents of violence
>and racist attacks.
>
>“‘We Germans, my dear Kitty, can produce an economic miracle but not a
>salad,’ said Thomas Lieven to the black-haired girl with the
>attractive figure.
>
>
>‘Yes, sir,’ said Kitty. She spoke rather breathlessly, for she was
>terribly in love with her fascinating employer. She gazed with loving
>eyes at Thomas Lieven as he stood beside her in the kitchen.”
>
>
>Mario Simmel’s novel “It Can’t Always Be Caviar” begins with these
>lines. If Simmel could see the state of things today, he would have
>added the word “diagnosis” next to “salad”, because Germany truly does
>have a serious difficulty in diagnosing some of its problems.
>
>
>Looking at just the last few years we can see concrete and saddening
>examples of this. As doubts strengthened in Europe regarding
>enlargement, Germany would contend – both directly and indirectly –
>that this indicated the Europeans did not want the Turks. Parties in
>Germany used Turks as propaganda material for elections frequently. In
>fact, some politicians promised the minarets should be shorter than
>church towers. Others, during their own administration, promised that
>only German would be spoken in every street of Germany.
>
>
>According to Germany, this fear of Turks did not just endanger
>enlargement. “Turks” were behind the rejection by France and the
>Netherlands of the draft constitution that would have reorganised the
>EU.
>
>
>It is as if those in Europe and Germany feared none other, be it the
>global crisis or distrust in EU institutions.
>
>“Turks” and “Islam” have always been misunderstood in Germany and
>assessed with prejudices, which brought new faults alongside the old
>ones.
>
>
>For whatever reason, the besieging of Vienna by the Turks in 1529 was
>“very important” and “unforgettable”. But Napoleon’s invasion of
>Vienna on two separate occasions in the 1800s is “not the same thing”.
>
>
>Similarly, for the Germans, Cyprus is in Europe. Indeed, Ukraine and
>Armenia should enter the EU. But Turkey, which is to the west of them
>all, should not enter “because it is not in Europe”.
>
>
>Diagnoses in Germany on xenophobia and racism are not too different
>from these. According to most Germans, unemployment and fears for the
>future are behind these.
>
>
>Unemployment and fears for the future?
>
>
>Do these not exist in other countries?
>
>
>For Germany, it is very difficult to accept that xenophobia and racism
>are not just rare occurrences. Germany’s Interior Minister Wolfgang
>Schaeuble and Lower Saxonia Criminology Research Institute Director
>Christian Pfeiffer’s latest research paper proves just that.
>
>
>The paper says that “this exists” and that there is “difficulty in
>accepting this”.
>
>
>It found that one in seven German youths has xenophobic views to “an
>extreme degree”.
>
>
>But the same paper says that there has been a fall in the number of
>youths involved in incidents of violence. Nearly 45,000 youths aged
>between 14 and 16 took part in the research; it is the most
>comprehensive study of its kind. According a comparison with eight
>towns, the names of which were not revealed, the ratio of youths
>involved at least once in acts of violence in the 1990s varied between
>17.3 percent and 24.9 percent. Today it is between 11.5 percent and
>18.1 percent.
>
>Mr Pfeiffer says that, unfortunately, a comparison with crimes related
>to the extreme right-wing was not made.
>
>Unfortunately.
>
>
>Mr Pfeiffer also warned against making an erroneous calculation
>regarding the violence displayed by children of immigrant background.
>
>
>He gave an example: “when two German youths, for instance Max and
>Moritz, argue, they do not always go to the police”, but “when Max and
>Mehmet argue, a majority of cases result in a complaint”.
>
>
>Unfortunately this has happened too. When foreigners are attacked,
>they go to the police.
>
>
>It is difficult to understand what Mr Pfeiffer’s words actually mean.
>What is harder to understand is Mr Schaeuble’s decision to brand the
>paper’s results as positive. He said that the results were an
>indication of the success of the efforts exerted by the state and non-
>governmental organisations.
>
>
>His conclusion was thus:
>
>
>“Of the young people from similar family structures, social
>environment and education levels, there is no discernable difference
>between those who are of immigrant ancestry and those who are not.
>This shows that the problem is not migration, but the opposite: it is
>the inability to reach harmony in social areas, family structure and
>education levels. But efforts are underway to achieve this.”
>
>
>Who is to harmonise with whom?
>
>
>Max and Mehmet could be good friends. But is that enough for
>harmonisation? Does Max not have terms, actions and values that he
>must harmonise with as well?
>
>
>Or is it just Mehmet who has to “harmonise”, while we hope Max does
>not exert racism?
>
>
>Perhaps, in the next study, a scientific research will be made into
>the racist abuse and attacks experienced by those who have harmonised
>with German society and its lifestyle.
>
>
>According to the results of the study Mr Schaeuble so admired, 5
>percent of young men are signed up to an extreme right-wing
>organisation. This rate is 2.5 percent among young women. The average
>age of Germany’s population was 38 in 2000; this is expected to become
>60 in 2050. The rate of those aged between 20 and 64 compared to those
>over 65 is 32 per cent. This figure too will reach 60 per cent in
>2050. For that reason, the figures concerning young people in extreme
>right-wing organisations may not appear to be frightening.
>
>
>Regarding the regional distribution of racist youths, Mr Pfeiffer
>says: “We will hopefully soon learn whether the youth organisations
>and similar groups of the National Democratic Party (NPD) exist or do
>not exist and whether they organise concerts or not in these regions”.
>I think if Mr Pfeiffer really cared, he would have logged onto NPD’s
>website before speaking and checked for himself.
>
>
>Unfortunately, he did not.

It is all relative. The fact remains that Germany has one of the
world's lowest crime rates. There are fewer incidents of violence,
xenophobia and racism in all of Germany than in the city of London
alone.

Anything happening in Germany seems to be magnified beyond all reason
by the British and American press. Conditions for racism, violence,
and xenophobia are far worse in both Britain and the USA than they are
in Germany. 


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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:27:18 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>On Jun 27, 11:55 pm, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 3:16 pm, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > mirjam wrote:
>> > > Boedicia
>> > >>  I served in the WRAF for 5 years. Fortunately I saw only one hebe
>> > >> the whole time I served
>> > >> in Germany,
>> > > WHILE there were No Fights at all
>> > >> England and Hong Kong and *he* was the camp dentist.
>> > >> Hardly one what
>> > >> one would call a dangerous job unless, of course he happened to stick
>> > >> himself with
>> > >> a needle.  Not too many fighter pilots in the RAF that I served with,
>> > >> dangerous work.
>> > > We already spoke about that
>> > > While you served during Peace or at least no fights , time as part of
>> > > the occupying British army in Germany ,,
>> > > While During WW2 , 40000 israeli Jews voluntered and fought in the
>> > > British army , in all it`s parts.
>> > > + 4000 Jewish israeli women volutered and served in WAAF and ATS ,,,
>>
>> > How can this be possible? At the time of WWII, there was no "isr-el"®.
>> > The zionist entity did not proclaim itself a "state" until 1948.
>>
>> All British females between the ages of 17 and a half and 36 years of
>> age were called up during WW2. No-one was exempt so all these female
>> jews that she is ralking about were *not* Israelis but British
>> citizens one would presume.  Perhaps female jews in British Palestine
>> during WW2 were called up to serve, but I doubt it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>
>You are not British.  You are posting from the USA and you are most
>likely either a Hun or a Muslim or both.

You are demented, Yochai. The Huns were oriental invaders who broke
into Europe in Roman times. The Huns were destroyed by a Frankish army
at Challons, in what is today France. There have been no Huns in more
than 15 centuries, so what the hell are you talking about, or do you
even know?

> You are a troll that has an
>evil spirit living inside you.

Evil spirits don't exist, except in the shrivelled minds of religious
crackpots such as yourself. Religions are superstitious fables,
including yours.



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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:35:27 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>On Jun 28, 10:49 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> > On Jun 27, 11:55 pm, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
>> >> On Jun 27, 3:16 pm, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>> >>> mirjam wrote:
>> >>>> Boedicia
>> >>>>>  I served in the WRAF for 5 years. Fortunately I saw only one hebe
>> >>>>> the whole time I served
>> >>>>> in Germany,
>> >>>> WHILE there were No Fights at all
>> >>>>> England and Hong Kong and *he* was the camp dentist.
>> >>>>> Hardly one what
>> >>>>> one would call a dangerous job unless, of course he happened to stick
>> >>>>> himself with
>> >>>>> a needle.  Not too many fighter pilots in the RAF that I served with,
>> >>>>> dangerous work.
>> >>>> We already spoke about that
>> >>>> While you served during Peace or at least no fights , time as part of
>> >>>> the occupying British army in Germany ,,
>> >>>> While During WW2 , 40000 israeli Jews voluntered and fought in the
>> >>>> British army , in all it`s parts.
>> >>>> + 4000 Jewish israeli women volutered and served in WAAF and ATS ,,,
>> >>> How can this be possible? At the time of WWII, there was no "isr-el"®.
>> >>> The zionist entity did not proclaim itself a "state" until 1948.
>> >> All British females between the ages of 17 and a half and 36 years of
>> >> age were called up during WW2. No-one was exempt so all these female
>> >> jews that she is ralking about were *not* Israelis but British
>> >> citizens one would presume.  Perhaps female jews in British Palestine
>> >> during WW2 were called up to serve, but I doubt it.
>>
>> >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > You are not British.  You are posting from the USA and you are most
>> > likely either a Hun or a Muslim or both. You are a troll that has an
>> > evil spirit living inside you.
>>
>> And you're a raving lunatic, Fetish. So, why are you throwing bricks
>> when you live in a glass cell?
>> Now, be a good lad and phone Dr Kavorkian.
>
>Miss Renzitti you are a troll and you also have an evil spirit.

Whatever problems Gary might have, an evil spirit isn't one of them.
Evil spirits are simple-minded superstition.

>  I
>would not want to be you for all the rice in China.  The hatred in you
>causes you to be a troll and you hate yourself but there is hope.
>Repent and maybe HaShem will forgive you.  The G-d of Israel does have
>mercy on all those who turn to Him for solace.  I hope you come to
>your senses and realize Israel and the Jewish people are not the
>devils you make us out to be.  You have much knowledge.  Try putting
>it to use to better you moral fiber and maybe you'll find yourself on
>the road to wellness instead of the path you've chosen as an anti-
>Semite.


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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:07:36 -0700 (PDT), "Tell it like it is."
 wrote:

>On Jun 28, 1:35 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 10:49 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> > > On Jun 27, 11:55 pm, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
>> > >> On Jun 27, 3:16 pm, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>> > >>> mirjam wrote:
>> > >>>> Boedicia
>> > >>>>>  I served in the WRAF for 5 years. Fortunately I saw only one hebe
>> > >>>>> the whole time I served
>> > >>>>> in Germany,
>> > >>>> WHILE there were No Fights at all
>> > >>>>> England and Hong Kong and *he* was the camp dentist.
>> > >>>>> Hardly one what
>> > >>>>> one would call a dangerous job unless, of course he happened to stick
>> > >>>>> himself with
>> > >>>>> a needle.  Not too many fighter pilots in the RAF that I served with,
>> > >>>>> dangerous work.
>> > >>>> We already spoke about that
>> > >>>> While you served during Peace or at least no fights , time as part of
>> > >>>> the occupying British army in Germany ,,
>> > >>>> While During WW2 , 40000 israeli Jews voluntered and fought in the
>> > >>>> British army , in all it`s parts.
>> > >>>> + 4000 Jewish israeli women volutered and served in WAAF and ATS ,,,
>> > >>> How can this be possible? At the time of WWII, there was no "isr-el"®.
>> > >>> The zionist entity did not proclaim itself a "state" until 1948.
>> > >> All British females between the ages of 17 and a half and 36 years of
>> > >> age were called up during WW2. No-one was exempt so all these female
>> > >> jews that she is ralking about were *not* Israelis but British
>> > >> citizens one would presume.  Perhaps female jews in British Palestine
>> > >> during WW2 were called up to serve, but I doubt it.
>>
>> > >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > You are not British.  You are posting from the USA and you are most
>> > > likely either a Hun or a Muslim or both. You are a troll that has an
>> > > evil spirit living inside you.
>>
>> > And you're a raving lunatic, Fetish. So, why are you throwing bricks
>> > when you live in a glass cell?
>> > Now, be a good lad and phone Dr Kavorkian.
>>
>> Miss Renzitti you are a troll and you also have an evil spirit.  I
>> would not want to be you for all the rice in China.  The hatred in you
>> causes you to be a troll and you hate yourself but there is hope.
>> Repent and maybe HaShem will forgive you.  The G-d of Israel does have
>> mercy on all those who turn to Him for solace.  I hope you come to
>> your senses and realize Israel and the Jewish people are not the
>> devils you make us out to be.  You have much knowledge.  Try putting
>> it to use to better you moral fiber and maybe you'll find yourself on
>> the road to wellness instead of the path you've chosen as an anti-
>> Semite.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Don't call Americans ANTISEMITES. Otherwise if we pull out of the
>middle east you'll know what it is to label any American what you
>yourselves have shown yourselves to be before the entire world.

Unfortunately, Americans unconditionally fund arseholes such as Yochai
and his fanatical ilk.


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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:34:12 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>On Jun 28, 1:07 pm, "Tell it like it is."
> wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 1:35 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 28, 10:49 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>> > > NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> > > > On Jun 27, 11:55 pm, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
>> > > >> On Jun 27, 3:16 pm, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>> > > >>> mirjam wrote:
>> > > >>>> Boedicia
>> > > >>>>>  I served in the WRAF for 5 years. Fortunately I saw only one hebe
>> > > >>>>> the whole time I served
>> > > >>>>> in Germany,
>> > > >>>> WHILE there were No Fights at all
>> > > >>>>> England and Hong Kong and *he* was the camp dentist.
>> > > >>>>> Hardly one what
>> > > >>>>> one would call a dangerous job unless, of course he happened to stick
>> > > >>>>> himself with
>> > > >>>>> a needle.  Not too many fighter pilots in the RAF that I served with,
>> > > >>>>> dangerous work.
>> > > >>>> We already spoke about that
>> > > >>>> While you served during Peace or at least no fights , time as part of
>> > > >>>> the occupying British army in Germany ,,
>> > > >>>> While During WW2 , 40000 israeli Jews voluntered and fought in the
>> > > >>>> British army , in all it`s parts.
>> > > >>>> + 4000 Jewish israeli women volutered and served in WAAF and ATS ,,,
>> > > >>> How can this be possible? At the time of WWII, there was no "isr-el"®.
>> > > >>> The zionist entity did not proclaim itself a "state" until 1948.
>> > > >> All British females between the ages of 17 and a half and 36 years of
>> > > >> age were called up during WW2. No-one was exempt so all these female
>> > > >> jews that she is ralking about were *not* Israelis but British
>> > > >> citizens one would presume.  Perhaps female jews in British Palestine
>> > > >> during WW2 were called up to serve, but I doubt it.
>>
>> > > >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > > You are not British.  You are posting from the USA and you are most
>> > > > likely either a Hun or a Muslim or both. You are a troll that has an
>> > > > evil spirit living inside you.
>>
>> > > And you're a raving lunatic, Fetish. So, why are you throwing bricks
>> > > when you live in a glass cell?
>> > > Now, be a good lad and phone Dr Kavorkian.
>>
>> > Miss Renzitti you are a troll and you also have an evil spirit.  I
>> > would not want to be you for all the rice in China.  The hatred in you
>> > causes you to be a troll and you hate yourself but there is hope.
>> > Repent and maybe HaShem will forgive you.  The G-d of Israel does have
>> > mercy on all those who turn to Him for solace.  I hope you come to
>> > your senses and realize Israel and the Jewish people are not the
>> > devils you make us out to be.  You have much knowledge.  Try putting
>> > it to use to better you moral fiber and maybe you'll find yourself on
>> > the road to wellness instead of the path you've chosen as an anti-
>> > Semite.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Don't call Americans ANTISEMITES. Otherwise if we pull out of the
>> middle east you'll know what it is to label any American what you
>> yourselves have shown yourselves to be before the entire world.
>
>You are an Anti-Semite to and your do is coming.

Yochai seems to have neglected to take his psychiatric medication this
morning.


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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:53:05 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>Years back, I was listening to a dear friend of mine that was an
>elderly Jewish female who was my neighbor when I lived in an Orthodox
>Jewish neighborhood.  She has since passed on.  She was a Cohen and
>she told me a story about the Philistines that the Jews fought during
>the famous battle’s of King David in the Tannach.  She said that in
>the Talmud it talks about the male Philistines in the Army of Goliath
>of Gath being homosexuals and that G-d had put a disease similar to
>AIDS on the Philistines because they did sodomy and were homosexuals.
>She said David and the Army of the Jews were doing G-d’s will by
>killing the homosexual Philistines.  I believe her story but I’d like
>to know where this information is found in the Talmud since every
>Orthodox Jew knows that homosexuality has no place in Orthodox
>Judaism.  Does anyone know where this information can be found in the
>Talmud?

All it shows is that Judaism, like all other human religions, is a
man-made fantasy and fable, the province of idiots.

Do everybody a big favour and keep your absurd superstitions to
yourself.


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:06:00 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Alistair Sim"  wrote in message 
>news:reGdnZiIO-CjgNXXnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> Jimmy Carter has devolved from being America’s worst president to being 
>> America’s worst ex-president.
>>
>> Earlier this week, Carter met with the Hamas government that gained 
>> control of Gaza two years ago, after the Palestinian Authority’s forces 
>> were routed not only by popular vote bust also by bloody factional 
>> struggle.
>>
>>
>> Jimmy declared that Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) should be 
>> recognized as the proper governing authority in Gaza and should not be 
>> viewed as a terror organization.
>>
>>
>>
>> Few, however, are screaming, despite the fact that Hamas is one of the 
>> world’s leading Islamic jihadi groups.
>>
>>
>> Hamas is an organization that remains responsible for scores of suicide 
>> attacks against Israeli civilians (including the 2002 Passover suicide 
>> bombing); that supports the World Islamic Statement (the declaration of 
>> war against the United States as issued by Osama bin Laden in 1998; that 
>> disseminates hate literature to Muslim children throughout the Middle 
>> East; and that prays for Allah to transform Jews into “apes, pigs, mice, 
>> and lizards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jimmy thinks they are great guys and wept over the fact that they remain 
>> on the terror list of Israel, the European Union, and the United States 
>> and that the Israelis have responded to their guerilla attacks by 
>> launching mortars that have left much of the country in shambles.
>>
>>
>> But Carter was not content with simply making a spectacle of himself in 
>> Gaza. He went on to Lebanon to meet with Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, the 
>> spiritual leader of Hezbollah. Fadlallah is responsible for the October 
>> 1983 bombing of the barracks of the U.S. Marines in Beirut - - an attack 
>> which result in the deaths of 241 American soldiers
>>
>>
>>
>> Jimmy shook Fadlallah’s hand and expressed delight to their meeting.
>>
>>
>> While Carter was visiting his favorite terrorists, all hell was breaking 
>> loose on the streets of Teheran. This seemed a fitting background to his 
>> meeting Middle East shenanigans, since Jimmy is really the father of the 
>> Islamic Revolution in Iran and the rule of the nutcase mullahs.
>>
>>
>> Let’s remember Jimmy’s record in the White House.
>>
>> As soon as Carter assumed the oath of office, the White House became 
>> peopled with characters out of Li’l Abner’s Dogpatch, including the family 
>> matriarch “Miz” Lillian, Jimmy’s Bible-toting sister Ruth, and his 
>> beer-guzzling brother Billy, who came to receive a mysterious payment of 
>> $2.5 million from the Libyan government.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Determined to end dependency on foreign oil, Jimmy moved to regulate 
>> domestic oil prices. The result was the creation of a price-gouging OPEC 
>> cartel that sent oil prices soaring, created rampant inflation, and drove 
>> the U.S. economy into deep recession. The misery index, Carter’s own 
>> invention for determining the well-being of the American people, rose by 
>> 50% during his four years in office.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jimmy went on to relinquish control of the Panama Canal, to oppose the 
>> Soviet invasion of Afghanistan by pulling the U.S. team out of the 
>> Olympics, and by attempting to normalize relations with Cuba through the 
>> opening of “interest sections” in Washington and Havana. His Cuban policy 
>> resulted in the Mariel Boatlift whereby Fidel Castro sent 120,000 
>> refugees - - including mental patients and hardened criminals - - to 
>> Miami, thereby transforming the resort city into the crime capital of the 
>> United States.
>>
>> Space does not a permit a discussion of his Latin American policy that 
>> gave rise to the Sandinistas in Nicaragua of his ALT-2 agreement with the 
>> Soviet Union, which resulted in lobbyists gaining more power than the 
>> highest-ranking Pentagon officials.
>>
>> President Jimmy Carter turned his back on America and with the help of 
>> Iranian Mullahs, unleashed modern Islamic terrorism on the world.
>>
>>
>> Before Jimmy entered the White House, America’s closest friend and ally in 
>> the Muslim world was Iran’s Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who ascended to the 
>> Peacock Throne as shah (the Persian word for king) in 1941.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The shah modernized Iran by launching the so-called “white revolution,” a 
>> massive attempt to Westernize the Persian country through the construction 
>> of roads, railways, airports, dams for power and irrigation, agribusiness, 
>> pipelines for the oil companies, steel and petrochemical plants, heavy 
>> metallurgy, and public health, education, and welfare programs. He 
>> bolstered the expansion of U.S. business and industry throughout Iran; 
>> shared he spoils of his country’s oil reserves with Britain and the United 
>> States; endorsed (at the request of President Eisenhower) the Baghdad Pact 
>> to ward off the spread of communism in the Middle East, and never voted 
>> against America in the United Nations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> By the 1960s, Iran’s back-alley bazaars became transformed into Fifth 
>> Avenue shops. Rock ‘n roll blared from the radio stations. Movie theaters 
>> showed the latest Hollywood flicks, and programs like Rawhide and I Love 
>> Lucy played on Iranian television. Restaurants served beer and hotdogs. 
>> Nightclubs and casinos catered to foreign tourists, foreign contractors, 
>> and foreign military advisers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And let’s remember that the shah, unlike the fat Mid Eastern despots and 
>> dictators, never asked or received a dime in U.S. foreign aid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But not all Iranians were pleased with the changes. The Shi’ite clerics 
>> viewed the democratic changes as diabolic. The straw that broke the camel’s 
>> back came with the shah’s democratic ruling that Iranian officials were 
>> free to take their oath of office on whatever holy scripture they 
>> preferred - - including the Christian Bible. The mullahs under Ayatollah 
>> Ruhollah Khomeini rose to condemn the shah in mosques and seminaries and 
>> to demand his removal from the throne.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good ole Jimmy responded by his infamous “malaise speech” of July 15, 1979 
>> in which the former peanut former expressed his belief that America had 
>> lost its guts and remained in a state of near senility.
>>
>> The shah was treated by the Carter White House as a pariah and died of 
>> cancer in Cairo on July 27, 1980.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Islamic Revolution in Iran fanned the flames of jihad throughout the 
>> world and gave birth to al Qaeda and hundreds of other Muslim terror 
>> groups.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In recent years, the former peanut farmer has been cultivating friendships 
>> with such rabid anti-American dictators as Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, and 
>> Kim Jong-il.
>>
>>
>> And now Jimmy, ever true to form, is demanding that we embrace Hamas and 
>> Hezbollah as our friends - - just as he embraced the crazed Khomeini and 
>> the mad mullahs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Jimmy, but no thanks.
>>
>
>Will Obamanation be just as bad though?
>
>It's too bad the Palesimians didn't succeed in killing their 
>apologist/sympathizer/chimponazee. 
>
The Israelis, mainly European Jews from Poland and Russia, are the
thieves and oppressors. The Palestinians are not the villains of this
piece. Granted, the Palestinians are not any more saintly than any
other group, but in this instance they have a lot more justification
than a crew of European colonialists trying to set up a new Jewish
colony in the ME.



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Subject: Re: Is government health care unconstitutional?
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:14:49 GMT, David Johnston 
wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 29, 10:52 pm, Jeffrey Turner  wrote:
>>> Daniel wrote:
>>> > On Jun 28, 6:42 pm, David Johnston  wrote:
>>> >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:52:42 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
>>>
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>> On Jun 25, 8:36 pm, David Johnston  wrote:
>>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT), Daniel
>>> >>>>  wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Actually, the Constitution SPECIFICALLY states what the Government may
>>> >>>>>>> raise funds for,
>>> >>>>>> Yeah you can't get more specific than "general welfare".  
>>> >>>>> Which has nothing to do with the discussion. Promoting the general
>>> >>>>> welfare is NOT funding it.
>>> >>>> Uh-hunh.  So why put it in the section about taxation?  
>>> >>> WTF? It is part of the PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION, you stupid fuck.
>>> >> Wrong.  
>>>
>>> > Actually, I'm right.
>>>
>>> The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts
>>> and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and
>>> general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
>>
>>
>>Congress was granted the power to promote the general welfare of the
>>nation by the Constitution of the United States. It means that
>>Congress should provide laws that are in keeping with the principles
>>of the self governed. It means that Congress may provide legislation
>>that acts in a general best interest of a nation.
>
>Whatever that means.  

That is the whole beauty of 200-year-old documents. They are extremely
squishy in a definition sense, and can take almost any shape one
wants.


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Subject: Re: Zionism is all about the ashkenazis race and disrespecting the native  jews of the Middle East whose ancestors authored my Christian bible.
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:18:43 -0500, Day Brown 
wrote:

>Tell it like it is. wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 1:20 pm, NefeshYehudi  wrote:
>>> You glib lies do not negate my post of truth.
>> 
>> The people whose forbears wrote the Holy Bible and I mean the Torah
>> and the Tanakh which contains it were inspired by God.
>> 
>> The Talmud by contrast is secular writings of Rabbis.
>You mite actually read the Bible some time. I did; cover to cover. Took 
>a couple years. But then I went on to read the Egyptian Book of the 
>Dead, the earliest version of Gilgamesh that was written in Mittanni, 
>some of the Vedas, Zoroaster, and works on Mithras.
>
>And saw lots of plagiarisms. The last judgment is in the Egyptian book 
>of the Dead. Noah is a rip off of Gilgamesh, and what we now know is the 
>Great Flood of the Black Sea basin in 5600 BC. Zoroaster went on about 
>"The sons of Righteousness" and what you think are satanic forces. And 
>when Mithras was born, "The angels of the Lord came down blowing 
>trumpets and singing hosannahs while the shepherds watched their flocks 
>by nite."
>
>Then too, in the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in the 3rd cent BC, we see 
>where their leader, "The Righteous One" changed water into wine, healed 
>the sick, and even raised people from the dead.
>
>Funny thing about the Mitanni is that they were not Semites, but an 
>upland Aryan people whose ancestors had fled south to escape the Great 
>Flood. And from the cuneiform, we can tell by the fine hand that 
>Gilgamesh was written by a woman.
>
>There's no reason to think that the rabbis before Christ were any more 
>reliable than those after. Not that any of this will enlighten you. I 
>can see that's not possible;o but it mite inform those who actually want 
>to seek the truth.

Like all other religious writings, the Torah is a collection of myths
and fables. Only morons such as Yochai take them that seriously.


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Subject: Re: ISRAELI CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR NATIVE PALESTINIANS IN A STATE OF  APARTHEID
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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:57:10 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
 wrote:

>YOU REMIND ME OF THE "The Shawshunk Redemption."  The prisoners would
>urinate when they are told to urinate, eat when they are told to eat.
>Like the Jews in Palestine, the prison guards and administrators
>including the prison warden abuse the prisoners and sometimes kill
>them off while accepting bribes and building their bank accounts.
>Meanwhile an educated banker imprisoned wrongfully was subverting
>these guards and administrators until he broke out and sent a
>detailed
>letter to the prosecutor.  The warden killed himself.  The prison was
>liberated.
>
>It is extremely hard to keep people in prison for a long time
>especially when the prisoners are the total population of the country
>they live in.  Abuse, murder, atrocities, starvation, defenselessness
>may play a large part in keeping the population in prisone for a long
>time.  But eventually they will break out and their prison guards
>will
>regret the days they were born.
>(Repost. You may understand it better.  Some people need it more than
>ten times to get it.  May be this time you will get it.  If not I will
>post it again.)
>
The Israelis have turned all Gaza into a giant concentration camp. The
only break with tradition for concentration camps is that the guards
are outside the camp.


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:46:59 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>In the area of Ontario in which I live there is an extreme doctor
>shortage.  Many people have no physician.  I have one, but he may as
>well be a plumber.
>I have had a serious health problem for four years.  I went to my
>Doc.  His first diagnosis was 'it's the heat.'  I kept going back.
>Then he said it's just your diabetes.  My blood sugar is very very
>good, but it's diabetes.  I keep going back.  'Eat smaller meals'.  I
>tell him I eat smaller meals.  He says 'eat smaller snacks.'  Yet we
>both know that I have a hiatus hernia which is causing me problems big
>time.  (it usually doesn't cause serious problems with many people,
>but I get serious symptoms).  He refuses to send me to a specialist.
>So I go to a clinic.  The doc there says that my hiatus hernia is
>causing me problems.  Then the clinic doc says:  'touch bases with
>your doctor.  You shouldn't be here if you have a doctor.'  So I go
>back to my doc, touch bases and he doesn't say anything.
>Except:  'Don't go to a clinic.  I get charged for it if you do.'
>OK.
>So I go to the Hospital Emergency room, and nothing gets done.  Some
>blood tests which don't show anything of course.
>I go to another clinic, have my ears syringed out and am pronounced
>cured.
>
>I  happen to be friends with my doctor's secretary.  She is of the
>same ethnic origin as my doctor.  So what I did is complain with her
>about how serious my symptoms are.  And it works.  She tells the doc
>that I called and what I said and all of a sudden I have an
>appointment to see a specialist!
>After 4 years of getting progressively worse; finally!  There is an
>easy surgical procedure where they just push the stomach out of the
>chest cavity and back to where it is supposed to be.  No cutting
>involved.
>I don't get to see my specialist until November 2nd though.
>This is an example of our health care system in action.  It's not as
>bad as this in many places; the fault may not lie with socialized
>medical care; the fault lies with the people who administer the plan
>and of course the politicians; except no one answers for the fiasco
>that they have created.

You would likely not be any better off in the USA, except there you
get of privilege of going bankrupt as a reward for your medical
runaround.


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Dank 110100100
 wrote:

>On Jun 30, 5:46 pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>wrote:
>> This is an example of our health care system in action.  It's not as
>> bad as this in many places; the fault may not lie with socialized
>> medical care; the fault lies with the people who administer the plan
>> and of course the politicians; except no one answers for the fiasco
>> that they have created.
>
>The fault does lie with socialized medical care.

That is nonsense, Dank. The USA has the worst results in the developed
world in any measureable index of health care. Here in Ontario, we
HAVE the archaic American system in place for dentistry. People still
need to wait for dental care, and it also means simply that some
people get to make do with no dental care because they cannot pay for
it.

> Socialism is
>inherently flawed in that there is no accountability.

Physicians are subject to all manner of regulations, so there most
certainly IS accountability.

> A private
>competitive enterprise that does a poor job loses customers and goes
>bankrupt, while an uncompetitive socialist enterprise that does a poor
>job is often rewarded with a budget increase.

That is the theory, but that is not the way it works in practice. In
the USA, accountants rather than doctors determine the care of
patients enrolled in private insurance schemes. If the patient comes
down with a chronic ailment, the patient is dropped and gets to fend
for himself.

Our experience with Blue Cross is typical. Their plan cost about $1200
per year for semi-private room coverage and a few other items. When my
father became ill in his 97th year and needed a nurse to come to the
house, the Blue Cross insurance offered to cover THREE DOLLARS per day
towards the cost of the nurse. Financially, we would have been better
off had we never heard of Blue Cross.


>
>For example, the free market holds privates schools accountable for
>the quality of their educational services, and a private school that
>graduates illiterates would quickly go out of business.  Public
>schools have a monopoly (students attend the school assigned to them),
>and a public school that graduates illiterates does not lose any

This may apply in the USA, but certainly not in Ontario. Public
schools are vastly superior to private schools which are subject to
huge amounts of parental pressure. How do you suppose that an
illiterate goon such as George W. Bush got a degree from Harvard? It
is pretty clear that George Sr. bought the degree for George Jr. So
much for even the Ivy League schools in the USA.

>students, and is usually rewarded with a larger budget.  More money
>does not equal better service, however, since the successful private
>schools typically spend half as much per student as public schools.

Private schools in Ontario are not a good business because they get
inferior results and cannot match the per-student costs of the public
system. Good private schools that actually offer a decent education,
such as Upper Canada College or UTS are VERY EXPENSIVE, upwards of
$25000 per year for a day student and more if it is a live-in student.
The rest of the private schools here can be classified as religious
junk not worth $1 let alone the ten thousand they usually charge.
>
>Since Canadians aren't allowed to choose their doctors,

Nonsense. You can go to any doctor you wish, subject only to the
physician's ability to take on any more patients. There are limits in
everything.

>the doctors
>have no incentive to provide quality medical service.

One complain to the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons and your
local doctor will likely be out of business on a permanent basis. You
clearly understand nothing about the Canadian system.

> Your doctor
>knows he has a monopoly on patients who live in his area, so he
>doesn't care whether you like him or not.

Doctors have no monopoly on patients. It is the U.S. system that
forces people to use the doctors assigned by their insurance company.
I'm free to approach any physician in Ontario. I'm free to walk into
any hospital in Ontario for treatment. If I don't like driving, I see
a local physician. If I have special needs or desires, I drive into
Toronto.


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On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:51:27 -0400, Scotius  wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Jun 29, 5:31 am, partisan  wrote:
>>>  PATIENCE PLEASE ITS TAKE THE TIME TO SHOOT THE REST OF ISLAMIST
>>>
>>> On 29 June, 03:43, Aviroce  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yes. I do blame the Arab and Muslim leadership for not standing up
>>> > against the West.
>>>
>>> STANDING FOR WHAT?: FOR MORE DECAPITATED HEADS, FOR MORE GOATS
>>> INTERCOURSE,FOR URINE DRINKING FOR DIRTY ARAB SMELL!  I UNDERSTAND
>>> THAT YOU LOVE ALL THAT ABOVE SO DRINK URINE YOURSELF EVERY MORNING!
>>> NOW  GO TO:alt.arab,alt.urine,soc.culture.camel.alt.goat
>>> love,soc.culture.terror,alt.blood AND POST THERE!
>>>
>>>  Almost all Arab and Muslim countries have become
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > colonies of the West.  Iran seems to be the odd one.  Iran is the only
>>> > Muslim country is showing the middle finger up to the West.  I hope
>>> > North Korea and China would help Iran against the evil West.
>>>
>>> > As for Muslim women, they are the finest and most loyal and Jews have
>>> > known that all along.  Manachem Begin, Wietzma, Sharon, Olmert, and
>>> > many more from Stern, Lakhayem, Likud, Haganah and other would cut the
>>> > belly of a Palestinian woman, get her fetus, chop the fetus on her
>>> > breasts and then chop her head off to parade it in town to scare off
>>> > the Palestinian defenseless population.  Meanwhile a war ship of the
>>> > United States of America was sitting in Haifa while the USA Six Fleet
>>> > was anchored in Cyprus and a messenger ship was communiting between
>>> > Haifa and Cyprus.  That was 1948.
>>>
>>> > In 2008 the Israeli leadership advised women and children in Gaza for
>>> > a "murderous shelter" as it turns out to be.  After these women and
>>> > children stayed few hours in the Israeli designated haven shelter, the
>>> > atrocious savage Israelis bombed the shelter sea-land-air and
>>> > prevented reporters from the shelter for few days to hide crimes
>>> > agains humanity.
>>>
>>> > These are just two incidents of what the West has been doing to the
>>> > finest women of the world community, the Muslim women.  Are Muslim
>>> > women afraid being slaughtered by the atrocious savages?  Yes.  They
>>> > get raped by these savages.  But the world community knows that these
>>> > women are pure and loyal and crimes have been committed against them.
>>>
>>> > A viable, connected Palestinian state will be established on the Whole
>>> > West Bank, the Whole East Jerusalem, and the Whole of Gaza connected
>>> > by easements from 1948 Israel.  Palestinian refugees will come back to
>>> > their homes and Israel will give them compensations and the Apartheid
>>> > State of Israel will change to a state of democracy for all people.
>>> > Jews die in your own hearts and minds.  Die.  You aint good.  You are
>>> > evil.  The only good Jew is a dead Jew.  May all Jews become good.
>>>
>>> > Osama Bin Laden is the ultimate Muslim defending the defenseless
>>> > Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims.  Suicide bombers are the pride of
>>> > Palestine, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and all Muslims and all Arabs.
>>> > Die Jews. Die.  You will be going to Hell.
>>>
>>> > On Jun 28, 9:15 pm, Day Brown  wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Aviroce wrote:
>>> > > > I wish you are right.  I like to see Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims
>>> > > > shed the blood of these Western evil doesr especially the Jews, the
>>> > > > Zionists and their direct supporters.  Unfortuanately they don't enjoy
>>> > > > the advanced technology in weapons.  They still think the sword is
>>> > > > their pride.
>>>
>>> > > After 5000 years of rule by the warrior elites, the brave heart, strong
>>> > > right arm, sword in hand... just does not cut it. Smith & Wesson
>>> > > guarantee equal rights for smart women. They dont get that either.
>>>
>>> > > Smart girls growing up in the Islamic world see beyond it to what life
>>> > > is like for women in the west, and for a few generations now, have
>>> > > gotten the fuck out. Read "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali for an eyeful of
>>> > > the racism and sexism she put up with, and witnessed, even during the
>>> > > Haj at Mecca.
>>>
>>> > > And the leave the stupid bitches behind, who've been easier to keep
>>> > > barefoot and pregnant. So, the only thing the Palestinians produce much
>>> > > of is more Palestinians.
>>>
>>> > > That sword you refer to is emblematic of their alpha male egos, and if
>>> > > they had superior intelligence, like Jews, then they would have figured
>>> > > out how to wipe the Jews out a long time ago. But not only are they
>>> > > stupid, they are neurotically delusional, fantacizing about an Islam
>>> > > that never was taking over the whole world.
>>>
>>> > > But who else would follow a prophet with a 9 year old wife, or believe
>>> > > him when he says they get to spend eternity fucking 12 year old virgins?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>	Prior to 1967 the West Bank was part of Trans-Jordan, and the
>Gaza Strip (like the city of Gaza) was part of Egypt. What's this
>about "Palestine"? 

There was no "Israel" for almost three thousand years, so what is your
point?


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:33:43 -0700 (PDT), A Nizami
 wrote:

>You could see the photo, video, and listen Michael's song here:
>http://islammyreligion.wordpress.com
>
>Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, died at the age of 50 after
>suffering a suspected cardiac arrest. Luckily, Jackson has converted
>into Islam and changes name to Mikaeel.
>
>Michael Jackson has followed his brother, Jermaine Jackson into Islam.
>And also other converts or should I say reverts such as Stevie B, Cat
>Steven, Muhammad Ali, and maybe Lady Diana supposed she did not die in
>accident.
>
>He has return to Allah. May he rest in peace.
>
>Here is the song of Michael Jackson, “Give Thanks to Allah”. It is a
>very good song to make us closer to God:

We all have our superstitions, but there really isn't that much
difference between Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. They are all
collections of irrational myths, fables, and assorted superstitions.

Islam is simply the newest of the three, and it has borrowed from the
first two and presented itself as the final revealed truth. I have no
problem with religious people as long as they don't try to force their
superstitions onto me.

>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIYFg41bp1w
>
>You may see the video and articles of Michael Jackson here:
>http://media-islam.or.id
>
>Michael Jackson 'converts to Islam and changes name to Mikaeel'
>
>Michael Jackson has reportedly become a Muslim and changed his name to
>Mikaeel.
>
>By Graham Tibbetts
>Published: 9:35AM GMT 21 Nov 2008
>Michael Jackson and child in Bahrain
>Michael Jackson wore an abaya, a traditional Arab women's veil, in
>Bahrain Photo: REUTERS
>
>The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, converted to Islam
>in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.
>
>He is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam
>officiated.
>
>According to The Sun, the ceremony took place while Jackson, 50, was
>recording an album at the home of Steve Porcaro, a keyboard player who
>composed music on his Thriller album.
>
>The former Jackson 5 star was counselled by David Wharnsby, a Canadian
>songwriter, and Phillip Bubal, a producer, who have both converted.
>
>A source said Jackson had appeared a "bit down" and added: "They began
>talking to him about their beliefs, and how they thought they had
>become better people after they converted. Michael soon began warming
>to the idea.
>
>"An imam was summoned from the mosque and Michael went through the
>shahada, which is the Muslim declaration of belief."
>
>Last year his brother, Jermaine Friday, suggested Jackson would
>convert having taken an interest in Islam since Friday's conversion in
>1989.
>
>"When I came back from Mecca I got him a lot of books and he asked me
>lots of things about my religion and I told him that it's peaceful and
>beautiful," said Friday.
>
>"He read everything and he was proud of me that I found something that
>would give me inner strength and peace.
>
>"I think it is most probable that Michael will convert to Islam.
>
>"He could do so much, just like I am trying to do. Michael and I and
>the word of God, we could do so much."
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3494296/Michael-Jackson-converts-to-Islam-and-changes-name-to-Mikaeel.html
>
>MICHAEL JACKSON CONVERTS TO ISLAM
>CHANGES NAME TO MIKAEEL
>
>By NEIL SYSON, THE SUN TODAY'S HOT TOPICS
>November 20, 2008
>SUN EXCLUSIVE: MICHAEL JACKSON has become a Muslim - and changed his
>name to Mikaeel.
>
>The skint superstar, 50, donned Islamic garb to pledge allegiance to
>the Koran in a ceremony at a pal's mansion in Los Angeles, The Sun can
>reveal.
>
>Jacko sat on the floor wearing a tiny hat after an Imam was summoned
>to officiate - days before the singer is due to appear at London's
>High Court where he is being sued by an Arab sheik.
>
>A source told last night how Jacko, brought up as a Jehovah's Witness,
>decided to convert as he used a studio at the home of his chum to
>record a new album.
>
>The star - whose hits include The Way You Make Me Feel - was spotted
>looking "a bit down" by a producer and a songwriter who had both
>embraced Islam.
>http://www.nypost.com/seven/11202008/news/nationalnews/michael_jackson_converts_to_islam_139892.htm
>
>
>Michael Jackson dies aged 50
>Michael Jackson, the singer, has died after suffering a suspected
>cardiac arrest. He was 50.
>
>By Matthew Moore
>Published: 12:42AM BST 26 Jun 2009
>
>Paramedics who responded to an emergency call to his home in Los
>Angeles said that he had stopped breathing by the time they arrived.
>
>Sources at the UCLA Medical Centre said that the self-styled "King of
>Pop" did not come out of a coma and died.
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5642715/Michael-Jackson-dies-aged-50.html
>
>Michael Jackson into Islam
>
>breaking news michael jackson became muslim


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 04:51:02 +0100, "Lee"  wrote:

>
>"Aviroce"  wrote in message 
>news:55b739f1-a336-4bca-aeb5-9cfe7b3f6ae6@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> You have to be an American living in the United States of America to
>> see how some American citizens kill their own, rape their own, and
>> dispose of their own.   As for Jews, you
>> got to read court records of how these savages treat their own.  But
>> if you remember that Jews fornicate with their three year olds, you
>> can imagine how filthy and unhealty and
>> criminal that would be.  Jews should not try to defame others before
>> looking into their own.  Jews are the filthies and most despised
>> persons on the planet.
>
>Perhaps before flinging accusations about there should be some kind of 
>televised competition to find who best fits the title as most filthy and 
>despised. The winners could be Judged by Simon Cowel et al with big prizes 
>for the winner. A suitable name for the show could be something like The 
>Psycho factor or simply The P factor.
>
>Individuals or groups could enter
>
>Some suggestions:
>
>Individual:
>
>Myra Hindly + Ian Brady
>Jack the Ripper
>Peter Sutcliff
>Vlad the Impalor
>
>
>Group
>
>The Death's-head SS
>African genocidal tribes - mixed event
>Pol Pots regime
>Islamofacist

I tend of think of Islam, and all other human religions, as a
collection of foolish myths and fables, but the term "Islamofascist"
is a moronic Bushism that is totally devoid of meaning and sense.

Islam isn't any more vicious than Judaism or even Christianity. All
have murdered freely to propagate their own brand of superstition.
Christianity and Islam are both rooted in Judaism, whose holy book,
the Torah, has to be the ultimate in savage self-centred tribalism and
blood-lust. Both Christianity and Islam have the legacy of
blood-bespattered altars and mindless barbarism in the Torah.


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>Oh that I owned a bazooka,
>I’d go to Jerusalem,
>I’d enter the ancient city,
>And they’d know my name isn’t Clem,
>Oh I’d aim my bazooka at the Dome of the Rock,
>Then I’d fire my bazooka,
>And I watch all the debris fly,
>Then I’d reload my bazooka,
>Then I’d take another shot,
>At the standing walls of the Dome of the Rock.
>I’d shot my bazooka in glee,
>Then I’d report to David King Messiah of Israel
>And tell him my shot was pure,
>And now there is no more Dome of the Rock,
>And we have nothing to fear.
>Then we’d go in and remove the debris,
>And rebuild the Temple of HaShem,
>Then and only then you may say my name is Clem.
>I’d sing and dance and shout,
>I’d be as happy as can be,
>Because the Shekinah would descend from heaven,
>And all mankind would bend the knee.
>Then G-d would speak to all the nations,
>And we the Jews would do His will,
>Hearing the voice of G-d would give us all a thrill.
>Well my song is about to end,
>That’s all I have to say,
>Just give me my bazooka
>And all be on my way.

Do you actually BELIEVE this ridiculous crap?


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:31:37 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>On Jul 1, 12:21 pm, "Tell it like it is."
> wrote:
>> On Jul 1, 1:57 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Oh that I owned a bazooka,
>> > I’d go to Jerusalem,
>> > I’d enter the ancient city,
>> > And they’d know my name isn’t Clem,
>> > Oh I’d aim my bazooka at the Dome of the Rock,
>> > Then I’d fire my bazooka,
>> > And I watch all the debris fly,
>> > Then I’d reload my bazooka,
>> > Then I’d take another shot,
>> > At the standing walls of the Dome of the Rock.
>> > I’d shot my bazooka in glee,
>> > Then I’d report to David King Messiah of Israel
>> > And tell him my shot was pure,
>> > And now there is no more Dome of the Rock,
>> > And we have nothing to fear.
>> > Then we’d go in and remove the debris,
>> > And rebuild the Temple of HaShem,
>> > Then and only then you may say my name is Clem.
>> > I’d sing and dance and shout,
>> > I’d be as happy as can be,
>> > Because the Shekinah would descend from heaven,
>> > And all mankind would bend the knee.
>> > Then G-d would speak to all the nations,
>> > And we the Jews would do His will,
>> > Hearing the voice of G-d would give us all a thrill.
>> > Well my song is about to end,
>> > That’s all I have to say,
>> > Just give me my bazooka
>> > And all be on my way.
>>
>> But first you will have to secularize Judaism to Zionism in Israel.
>> The way Hitler perverted Christianity to Naziism in Germany, then you
>> will be well on your way to being a real asshole.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>That's what you say, but HaShem wants to dwell among His people the
>Jews.

Why not, since it was the Jews who created him, just like all other
primitive tribes created their gods. Your god is truly ugly and
vicious, much like the Aztec god Vitziputzli and his thirst for human
sacrifice.

At least now, you are only obliged to take a knife to your penis to
please your blood-thirsty deity, as opposed to the destruction of the
entire body as was the case earlier.



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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:21:15 -0700 (PDT), "Tell it like it is."
 wrote:

>On Jul 1, 1:57 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>> Oh that I owned a bazooka,
>> I’d go to Jerusalem,
>> I’d enter the ancient city,
>> And they’d know my name isn’t Clem,
>> Oh I’d aim my bazooka at the Dome of the Rock,
>> Then I’d fire my bazooka,
>> And I watch all the debris fly,
>> Then I’d reload my bazooka,
>> Then I’d take another shot,
>> At the standing walls of the Dome of the Rock.
>> I’d shot my bazooka in glee,
>> Then I’d report to David King Messiah of Israel
>> And tell him my shot was pure,
>> And now there is no more Dome of the Rock,
>> And we have nothing to fear.
>> Then we’d go in and remove the debris,
>> And rebuild the Temple of HaShem,
>> Then and only then you may say my name is Clem.
>> I’d sing and dance and shout,
>> I’d be as happy as can be,
>> Because the Shekinah would descend from heaven,
>> And all mankind would bend the knee.
>> Then G-d would speak to all the nations,
>> And we the Jews would do His will,
>> Hearing the voice of G-d would give us all a thrill.
>> Well my song is about to end,
>> That’s all I have to say,
>> Just give me my bazooka
>> And all be on my way.
>
>But first you will have to secularize Judaism to Zionism in Israel.
>The way Hitler perverted Christianity to Naziism in Germany, then you
>will be well on your way to being a real asshole.

Actually, arsehole is a status that Yochai has already achieved.


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT), "Tell it like it is."
 wrote:

>On Jul 1, 2:31 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>> On Jul 1, 12:21 pm, "Tell it like it is."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > On Jul 1, 1:57 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>>
>> > > Oh that I owned a bazooka,
>> > > I’d go to Jerusalem,
>> > > I’d enter the ancient city,
>> > > And they’d know my name isn’t Clem,
>> > > Oh I’d aim my bazooka at the Dome of the Rock,
>> > > Then I’d fire my bazooka,
>> > > And I watch all the debris fly,
>> > > Then I’d reload my bazooka,
>> > > Then I’d take another shot,
>> > > At the standing walls of the Dome of the Rock.
>> > > I’d shot my bazooka in glee,
>> > > Then I’d report to David King Messiah of Israel
>> > > And tell him my shot was pure,
>> > > And now there is no more Dome of the Rock,
>> > > And we have nothing to fear.
>> > > Then we’d go in and remove the debris,
>> > > And rebuild the Temple of HaShem,
>> > > Then and only then you may say my name is Clem.
>> > > I’d sing and dance and shout,
>> > > I’d be as happy as can be,
>> > > Because the Shekinah would descend from heaven,
>> > > And all mankind would bend the knee.
>> > > Then G-d would speak to all the nations,
>> > > And we the Jews would do His will,
>> > > Hearing the voice of G-d would give us all a thrill.
>> > > Well my song is about to end,
>> > > That’s all I have to say,
>> > > Just give me my bazooka
>> > > And all be on my way.
>>
>> > But first you will have to secularize Judaism to Zionism in Israel.
>> > The way Hitler perverted Christianity to Naziism in Germany, then you
>> > will be well on your way to being a real asshole.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> That's what you say, but HaShem wants to dwell among His people the
>> Jews.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>If you don't believe in Christ you are a Racist Jew in Israel. Zionism
>is about Race. Judaism is about religion.

Christianity is rooted in Judaism and has many of the same vicious
features. All human religions are collections of myths and fables, and
it is totally absurd to murder people over who subscribes to which
fables.



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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:25:28 -0700 (PDT), Raymond 
wrote:

>American Health Care Most Corrupt in Modern World
>
>America allegedly has the best health care in the world, but it is
>also
>the most corrupt  and least investigated industry in America.

The claim of "best" is debatable, since the results of the "best
system" in the world are the worst in the developed world. It might be
the best for the Rockefellers or Vanderbilts, but certainly not for
the ordinary Americans who frequently have to settle for substandard
or non-existent health care.

>Billions
>are being looted  from Medicare and Medicade by doctors who are
>taking
>advantage of the poorly regulated system and the pharmaceutical
>industry is totally out of control and all with the doctors' help.
>
>The pharmaceutical industry is among the largest lobbying interests
>in
>Washington and needs to be investigated from top to bottom .Indeed,
>studies have shown that the drug company influences on doctors often
>lead to irrational decisions and have a negative impact on the
>treatment of patients.  Decades of research have allowed marketers to
>learn how to influence anyone without his/her knowing it.  Doctors
>are
>not immune.  Moreover, drug companies are subtle.  They not only
>provide gifts and dinners and seminars, but also leave behind
>carefully select studies that support the use of their drugs.  The
>overarching goal is to control the information that doctors receive
>about medications.
>
>WASHINGTON, August 30, 2006 - Members of Congress and their aides
>accepted more than $600,000 in free travel from pharmaceutical
>interests during a 5½-year period in which drug company profits
>climbed, in part due to Bush federal legislation favorable to the
>industry.
>
>Approximately $19 billion is spent annually by drug companies for
>marketing to doctors.  Tens of thousands of sales representatives
>descend on doctors' offices every day.  Patients in doctors' waiting
>rooms are often outnumbered by drug reps (typically young, female,
>attractive).  Many, lying, greedy doctors deny that gifts and other
>freebies influence their decisions about medication treatment.
>
>Some lawmakers  have called for strong, mandatory rules including the
>outright banning of any gifts or payments for meals, shows, sporting
>events, travel or meetings.  They call for a system in which drug
>samples are replaced with vouchers for low-income patients.  They
>call
>for an end of all drug company underwriting of doctors' continuing
>education, thereby ending drug company influence on the speakers (who
>are paid directly or indirectly by the drug companies) and on the
>content of such "education." But that will be a cold day in hell when
>doctors will stop accepting the goodies being thrown at them by the
>pharmaceutical giants.
>
>With so many high-ranking doctors having financial ties to the drug
>industry, are there enough doctors who are independent financially or
>at least in conscience to consider reining in this compromised
>system?  Maybe not.  Drug companies are smart.  They long ago
>realized
>that if they hired as consultants all of the top experts in every
>medical field, they could sway the entire medical profession with
>their slant.  The result is that today, few independent experts
>remain.  For example, when the FDA convenes medical advisory
>committees to discuss problems involving medications, it is usually
>impossible for the FDA to find enough independent experts to
>outnumber
>or even equal the experts with drug company ties.  At some meetings,
>90% of the experts have financial arrangements with drug companies.
>
>Drug Makers' Dime Funds Congressional Travel
>Pharmaceutical companies, affiliated trade groups spent more than
>$600,000 on trips
>WASHINGTON, August 30, 2006 - Members of Congress and their aides
>accepted more than $600,000 in free travel from pharmaceutical
>interests during a 5½-year period in which drug company profits
>climbed, in part due to federal legislation favorable to the
>industry.
>
>http://www.publicintegrity.org/powertrips/report.aspx?aid=715
>
>Corruption exposed: drug companies gave grants, consulting fees to
>panelists who issued new cholesterol guidelines that are driving
>demand for statins. Six out of nine panelists that issued the new
>decision about cholesterol levels have received grants or consulting
>payments from statin drug manufacturers. That's right: two thirds of
>the panel members have financial ties to the very pharmaceutical
>companies that are being financially helped by the new guidelines.
>
>It's business as usual in the medical industry: underhanded deals,
>refusal to disclose financial ties, and the willingness to do
>practically anything to generate more profits. That's because
>everybody's on the payroll of these companies: the doctors are
>getting
>"consulting fees" for doing nothing other than signing a blank piece
>of paper, the researchers are getting "grant money" to carry out
>research that almost always supports the drug companies, and the
>mainstream media is receiving billions of dollars in ad revenue as
>long as they keep pushing drugs to customers, both in advertising and
>news content.
>
>Everybody's in on it. The whole sick system is disgustingly
>incestuous.
>
>"The accomplice to the crime of corruption is frequently our own
>indifference"
>--- Bess Myerson
>
>http://www.newstarget.com/001372.html
>
>
>Gangsters In Medicine
>By Thomas Smith
>Val...@healingmatters.com
>
>The annual death toll from synthetic prescription drugs, both from
>the
>correctly prescribed and the incorrectly prescribed, amounts to about
>231,000 deaths every year. To put this into perspective, this is the
>equivalent of a world trade center disaster every week for over a
>year
>and a half or the crash of two fully loaded 747 aircraft every day of
>the year.
>
>http://www.rense.com/general33/gang.htm
>
>The system is downright criminal. The FBI should be investigating and
>prosecuting the players of this entire industry.
>
>If you find this article informative, please tell your friends,
>family
>members, colleagues, and doctors about www.MedicationSense.com and
>the
>free MedicationSense E-Newsletter
>
>Report on Corruption and Greed in Health Care
>What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Can Kill You
>
>Statin Drugs Can Kill You. Yet, doctors prescribe them recklessly.
>If you're taking any of the prescription anti-cholesterol drugs
>called
>statins you need to know that they can be dangerous to your health.
>In
>addition to the common side effects top-selling statin drugs were
>found to:
>
>Raise blood pressure
>Lower levels of lifesaving HDL ('good') cholesterol
>Increase an important measure of blood clotting, linked to heart
>attacks
>Question you doctor about statins.
>
>[Don't stop taking your prescription without your doctor's approval,
>but make a point to talk about your concerns.]
>
>The American medical school system gets a very low rating
>Questions about the legitimacy of Family Medicine as a high quality
>specialy option across the United States and internationally are
>being
>raised
>
>Abuse of drugs and alcohol remains intolerably high among America's
>medical students and physicians
>
>There has been an alarming rise in cases of unnecessary surgery
>across
>the United States with more and more surgeons going into drunken
>rages
>when questioned about their ethics.
>
>Questions have arisen as to the rising rates of what appears to be
>unnecessary pathological exams and autopsies for large profits in
>medical centers across the United States.
>
>Rates of clearly unnecessary psychiatric hospitalizations have been
>on
>the rise for large profits across the United States. Fixed,swift
>civil
>court cases before sadistic judges who work with unethical
>psychiatrists with no juries and no sworn in testimony are often used
>to legalize this tyranny
>
>The credibility of American Internal Medicine specialists has been
>raised due to the brutality and quackery encouraged in mental health
>care in Harrison's Textbook of Internal Medicine,which is often
>considered the bible of American Internal Medicine.
>
>Parents are encouraged to be very careful about their pediatricians
>due to an alarming rise in referrals to sadistic and dangerous child
>psychiatrists.
>
>Jefferson Medical College in Philadelphia,Pennsylvania is under
>investigation for rolling over a cover-up of the "Jefferson Medical
>College Cheating Scandals" into a brutal psychiatric abuse case in
>Texas in order to cover-up that the medical school is a fraud. The
>Mandel News Service suggests that Jefferson Medical College be
>permanently shut down.
>
>The University of Texas School of Medicine has been ranked as the
>most
>tyrannical medical school in the United States with the lowest
>quality
>medical education in the country. The Mandel News Service suggests
>this medical school be permanently shut down.
>
>The following medical centers are under criminal investigation by the
>Mandel News Service for intentionally discriminating against people
>their staffs choose to label as being mentally ill in violation of
>laws against discrimination,blacklisting and torture: The University
>of Hawaii School of Medicine in Hawaii,Orlando Regional Medical
>Center
>in Florida,Maricopa Medical Center in Arizona,U.C. Davis School of
>Medicine in California,Temple Medical College in Pennsylvania,The
>University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine in Pennsylvania,Cornell
>University School of Medicine in New York,Stanford University School
>of Medicine in California,The University of Texas School of Medicine
>in Texas,Harvard University School of Medicine in Massachusets. The
>following overseas medical centers are also under investigation for
>similar wrongdoing: The Beijing,Shanghai and Nanjing Colleges of
>Traditional Chinese Medicine and Acupuncture and The China Medical
>University in Shenyang,China,the London College of Medicine in
>London,England,Nagoya City University Medical Center in Japan and all
>of the medical centers in Vietnam.
>
>"The Texas Butcher",Dr Theodore Pearlman of Houston,Texas,has been
>chosen by the Mandel News Service as the world body's leading
>criminal
>psychiatric human rights abuser.
>
>The public is strongly encouraged to be very careful when dealing
>with
>orthomolecular psychiatrists and naturopaths. Although their
>alternative medicine interventions are generally very impressive and
>effective the Mandel News Service has learned many orthomolecular
>psychiatrists and naturopaths also prescribe psychiatric poisons such
>as neuroleptics,lithium and anti-depressants. They claim high doses
>of
>vitamins block out the dangerous side effects of these drugs. This
>simply generally is not true. In fact the painful and dangerous side
>effects of these poisonous drugs block out the beneficial effects of
>vitamin and mineral supplements and a healthy lifestyle. It appears
>as
>if many of the orthomolecular psychiatrists and naturopaths have sold
>out the value of their schools of thought for large profits and gifts
>from unethical,sadistic and dangerous pharmaceutical firms which
>market psychiatric poisons for a large profit.
>
>Texas is America's "Mental Health Care Terrorist Center" where mental
>health care abuses are instituted with unusual arrogance and cruelty.
>
>Harold Mandel
>Reporter
>Story Tags: Health Care Corruption
>
>
>
>


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
 wrote:

>You have to be an American living in the United States of America to
>see how some American citizens kill their own, rape their own, and
>dispose of their own.   As for Jews, you
>got to read court records of how these savages treat their own.  But
>if you remember that Jews fornicate with their three year olds, you
>can imagine how filthy and unhealty and
>criminal that would be.  Jews should not try to defame others before
>looking into their own.  Jews are the filthies and most despised
>persons on the planet.

That is probably a bit of an overstatement, but Jews certainly make
themselves unpopular with their claims of superiority and morality.
The Torah is pretty much the ultimate in primitive tribalism and
savagery.


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:56:00 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 1, 3:19 pm, Dank 110100100  wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 5:46 pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > This is an example of our health care system in action.  It's not as
>> > bad as this in many places; the fault may not lie with socialized
>> > medical care; the fault lies with the people who administer the plan
>> > and of course the politicians; except no one answers for the fiasco
>> > that they have created.
>>
>> The fault does lie with socialized medical care.  Socialism is
>> inherently flawed in that there is no accountability.  A private
>> competitive enterprise that does a poor job loses customers and goes
>> bankrupt, while an uncompetitive socialist enterprise that does a poor
>> job is often rewarded with a budget increase.
>>
>> For example, the free market holds privates schools accountable for
>> the quality of their educational services, and a private school that
>> graduates illiterates would quickly go out of business.  Public
>> schools have a monopoly (students attend the school assigned to them),
>> and a public school that graduates illiterates does not lose any
>> students, and is usually rewarded with a larger budget.  More money
>> does not equal better service, however, since the successful private
>> schools typically spend half as much per student as public schools.
>>
>> Since Canadians aren't allowed to choose their doctors, the doctors
>> have no incentive to provide quality medical service.  Your doctor
>> knows he has a monopoly on patients who live in his area, so he
>> doesn't care whether you like him or not.
>
>There's a lot of truth in what you say.  I could complain about my Doc
>to the College of Physicians and Surgeons, but if he finds out(or
>figures out) that I complained, he could drop me.  Docs are allowed to
>drop their patients for whatever reason, yet the public has no
>choice.  They can't drop their doctors because there is no
>replacement.
>I need him(my doc) for forms and filling out my med scripts.  That's
>about all he's good for.  The system has really deteriorated in the
>past couple of decades.

You can thank brain-dead Tories such as Mike "the imbecile" Harris for
that problem.


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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:14:53 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

> A police chief who has tirelessly fought against right-wing extremism in 
>his former East German state was honored by the Jewish community.
>Bernd Merbitz, police president in the state of Saxonia

Saxonia???  The name of the state is "Sachsen" in German or "Saxony"
in English. I'm assuming here that we're talking about the state that
has Dresden as its capital.


, on Thursday will be 
>the first recipient of a new civil courage award from Germany's Jewish 
>community.
>
>Merbitz will receive the Paul Spiegel Prize for Civil Courage, worth $4,300, 
>in ceremonies hosted by the Jewish community of Dresden.
>
>Merbitz, 53, is being honored for his "tireless engagement against racism, 
>xenophobia and anti-Semitism" and for his efforts toward strengthening civic 
>society, according to a statement from the Central Council of Jews in 
>Germany, the national Jewish umbrella group.
>
>The police chief has worked with youth and adults, speaking with them in 
>small groups and in lecture halls, to help inculcate democratic values and 
>"reduce the territory claimed by right-wing extremists," the Central Council 
>said, adding that he has done this despite dangers his work presented to 
>himself and his family.
>
>The danger is not abstract; in late 2008, Alois Mannichl, police chief in 
>the Bavarian town of Passau, who has taken on local far-rightists, was 
>seriously wounded in a brutal knife attack. Local neo-Nazis were arrested 
>and charged in the attack.
>
>The new prize is named for the former president of the Central Council of 
>Jews in Germany, Paul Spiegel, who died three years ago in April 2006. 
>Spiegel had launched a program, "Show Your Face," designed to reward acts of 
>civil courage, after a wave of right-wing extremist crimes in the summer of 
>2000.
>


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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:06:42 -0700 (PDT), "David E. Powell"
 wrote:

>On Jul 2, 7:53 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> If WW2 wasn't occurring, would Adolf Hitler had adored Horten,
>> Messerschmitt, Junkers, Focke Wulfe and the many others as he did
>> Porsche for car shows.
>>
>> We all know Hitler gave Porsche the ranking power of standard setting
>> for automobile design & expertise for the whole of Nazi Germany.
>>
>> What countrys other than Germany would have participated in an
>> avionics show in Germany, coming against the forementioned names.
>> Obviously Charles Lindbergh would have lobbied for participants from
>> the U.S. to attend, but what would a air show in Germany have been
>> like with all the great designers mentioned? Who would have been the
>> favored by Hitler for airplanes as Porsche was for cars? Would Goering
>> have tried to be the ultimate power of an air-show even if Hitler
>> originated the idea?
>
>Hitler being in power guaranteed WW2 would happen in one way or
>another. Eventually, even if France and Britain hadn't gone to war
>when Poland was attacked, Hitler would have attacked them or someone
>else and started it off, he was pushing in so many places and had
>written his plans out years before.

You have turned everything backwards. Britain and France attacked
Germany because of its re-emergence as a powerful state, not because
it was governed by Hitler. Anybody who successfully revived Germany's
fortunes would be roped into a war with Britain and her lackeys. The
timetable for WW2 was totally controlled from London, not Berlin.

>
>Much better a Weimar Germany that endured and eventually got aircraft
>back.

Aircraft were back during the Weimar period. Weimar failed because the
allies did everything humanly possible to make it fail, and then they
had the hypocrisy to whine when it failed just as their plans foresaw.
Weimar failed because the German people were not willing to be some
more slaves of the British Empire, the same empire that had managed to
enslave and exploit most of the world's people.




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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:48:46 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
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>
>"David E. Powell"  wrote in message 
>news:09c82d8c-7538-4855-a9bd-8fc39d6a1541@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 2, 7:53 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>> If WW2 wasn't occurring, would Adolf Hitler had adored Horten,
>>> Messerschmitt, Junkers, Focke Wulfe and the many others as he did
>>> Porsche for car shows.
>>
>>> We all know Hitler gave Porsche the ranking power of standard setting
>>> for automobile design & expertise for the whole of Nazi Germany.
>
>Porsche stole the design for the Beetle from Hans Ledwinka cheif designer
>of the Czech car company Tatra. Post war Volkswagen acknowledged
>this and paid compensation to Tatra

That sounds extremely improbable, since Czechs are famous for having
significant difficulty in managing a lemonade stand.

>
>>>
>>> What countrys other than Germany would have participated in an
>>> avionics show in Germany, coming against the forementioned names.
>>> Obviously Charles Lindbergh would have lobbied for participants from
>>> the U.S. to attend, but what would a air show in Germany have been
>>> like with all the great designers mentioned? Who would have been the
>>> favored by Hitler for airplanes as Porsche was for cars? Would Goering
>>> have tried to be the ultimate power of an air-show even if Hitler
>>> originated the idea?
>
>If you actually knew ANYTHING you'd be aware that such air shows
>were routinely held in pre-war Germany.
>
>> Hitler being in power guaranteed WW2 would happen in one way or
>> another. Eventually, even if France and Britain hadn't gone to war
>> when Poland was attacked, Hitler would have attacked them or someone
>> else and started it off, he was pushing in so many places and had
>> written his plans out years before.
>
>Hitler HAD to go to war in 1939, Germany was living on borrowed money,
>had a huge trade deficit and many of the foreign loans were falling due at 
>the
>end of 1939.

It wasn't Germany that was living on "borrowed money". Borrowed money
was the problem during the Weimar period, the same as it is today with
American institutions such as the World Bank and the Bretton Woods
system keeping most of the world in perpetual poverty for the benefit
of the USA. Hitler broke away from the monetarists in London and New
York and consequently he had to be destroyed the same as Saddam had to
be destroyed once he threatened to do his oil sales in Euros,
undermining the US$ as the world's reserve currency.

America has no values that don't start with $.


>
>Keith 
>


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:26:05 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>On Jul 3, 2:27 am, Gernot Hassenpflug  wrote:
>> "Keith Willshaw"  writes:
>> > "David E. Powell"  wrote in message
>> >news:09c82d8c-7538-4855-a9bd-8fc39d6a1541@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jul 2, 7:53 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> >>> If WW2 wasn't occurring, would Adolf Hitler had adored Horten,
>> >>> Messerschmitt, Junkers, Focke Wulfe and the many others as he did
>> >>> Porsche for car shows.
>>
>> >>> We all know Hitler gave Porsche the ranking power of standard setting
>> >>> for automobile design & expertise for the whole of Nazi Germany.
>>
>> > Porsche stole the design for the Beetle from Hans Ledwinka cheif designer
>> > of the Czech car company Tatra. Post war Volkswagen acknowledged
>> > this and paid compensation to Tatra
>>
>> >>> What countrys other than Germany would have participated in an
>> >>> avionics show in Germany, coming against the forementioned names.
>> >>> Obviously Charles Lindbergh would have lobbied for participants from
>> >>> the U.S. to attend, but what would a air show in Germany have been
>> >>> like with all the great designers mentioned? Who would have been the
>> >>> favored by Hitler for airplanes as Porsche was for cars? Would Goering
>> >>> have tried to be the ultimate power of an air-show even if Hitler
>> >>> originated the idea?
>>
>> > If you actually knew ANYTHING you'd be aware that such air shows
>> > were routinely held in pre-war Germany.
>>
>> >> Hitler being in power guaranteed WW2 would happen in one way or
>> >> another. Eventually, even if France and Britain hadn't gone to war
>> >> when Poland was attacked, Hitler would have attacked them or someone
>> >> else and started it off, he was pushing in so many places and had
>> >> written his plans out years before.
>>
>> > Hitler HAD to go to war in 1939, Germany was living on borrowed money,
>> > had a huge trade deficit and many of the foreign loans were falling due at
>> > the
>> > end of 1939.
>>
>> Oops, what does the current situation look like for various countries in
>> the debt-money economy today? I guess we have to hope (in absence of
>> doing the legwork) that most have structured their loan due dates better
>> than Germany did!-
>
>I'm sorry you're saying that when Germany lost WW1 they decided their
>loan due dates or the unconditional surrender of which the allies won
>decided it?
>
>Why don't you tell us who decided the due dates and prove it. I know
>Germany didn't have the power it was dictated to them.
>
>Prove me wrong...

You are absolutely correct. Most of the world's countries today are
kept in perpetual poverty by the monetarists in London and New York
who operate under the self-serving Bretton Woods system of 1944 that
creates a playing field tilted in favour of the USA. Germany was
trapped in the same sort of poverty loop by the allies post-WW1, and
the Weimar republic failed because of it. Germany managed to break
free of the allied economic strangle-hold imposed after WW1, so it
became necessary for the allies to make a second attempt to destroy
Germany and its people. If Hitler did indeed want a war sometime, it
certainly wasn't the one that actually happened in 1939. That was very
clearly orchestrated by London.


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:56:04 -0700 (PDT), eunometic@yahoo.com.au wrote:

>On Jul 3, 5:48 pm, "Keith Willshaw"
> wrote:
>> "David E. Powell"  wrote in messagenews:09c82d8c-7538-4855-a9bd-8fc39d6a1541@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 2, 7:53 pm, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>
>> >> If WW2 wasn't occurring, would Adolf Hitler had adored Horten,
>> >> Messerschmitt, Junkers, Focke Wulfe and the many others as he did
>> >> Porsche for car shows.
>>
>> >> We all know Hitler gave Porsche the ranking power of standard setting
>> >> for automobile design & expertise for the whole of Nazi Germany.
>>
>> Porsche stole the design for the Beetle from Hans Ledwinka cheif designer
>> of the Czech car company Tatra. Post war Volkswagen acknowledged
>> this and paid compensation to Tatra
>
>That kind of twists the picture.   Hans Ledwinka was Austrian by
>Birth, having been born near Vienna.  He was educated in Austria and
>given his first job by his uncle, who had a rather German sounding
>name of Johann Zwiauer.   After the war he was imprisoned by the
>communists for 'collaboration'  along with his son, who had a German
>sounding name of "Erich".   I suppose it could be argued that Porche
>'stole' his ideas but then Ledwinka and Porche openly talked about
>automobile designe.  he moved to Munich and worked there as a
>consulatant before retireing and passing away in Germany. He was
>eventually rehabilitated from the trumped up communist charges.
>Ledwinka was probably more Austrian than Czech though I doubt he saw
>it in those terms.
>
>The proceds of the legal suite didn't go to Tatra or even Ledwinka.
>The suits dragged on for more than a decade, finally ending in 1961
>when Volkswagen paid a DM 3 million settlement to the heirs of Franz
>Ringhoffer, the former owner of Tatra-Werke.

I knew that it was unlikely that Czechs had actually created
something, rather than just tearing down things created by others.


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:12:26 +0200, ANDREAS GUMTOW 
wrote:

>Am Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:38:53 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>
>> In einen demokratischen System jeder sollte das
>> recht habe fragen zu stellen aber nicht gezwungen werden das zu machen was
>> andere wollen.
>
>In Deutschland ist das der Fall!

Die BRD hat tausende von politischen Gefangenen, eigentlich mehr als
die alte DDR.

>Darst du das in deinem Land nicht?

In Kanada ist man nicht gezwungen eine bestimmte Geschichtsbetrachtung
zu akzeptiern. In Deutschland scheint alles deutsche schlecht zu sein
und Menschen sind zum Selbsthass gezwungen. Das allierte Vorhaben ist
immer noch die Zersetzung Deutschlands, und die Deutschen scheinen
idiotisch genug da mit zu machen.

>
>
>Da kannst du mal sehen wie gut wir es im demokratischen Deutschland haben.

Ihr Vorbild der Demokratie ist offensichtlich die ehemalige DDR oder
sogar das Deutschland der Nazizeit, nur mit anderen Opfer.


>(Vorbildcharakter!)
>
>
>Freundliche Grüße
>
>Andreas Gumtow


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:18:04 +0200, Ingo Gideon Becker
 wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:58:41 GMT, Truthseeker wrote:
>
>> Sein Interesse ist am iranischen Volk
>
>Das stimmt nicht.
>Er ist drauf und dran das Land in einen Krieg zu reissen.
>Und diesen Krieg wird der Iran nicht gewinnen.

Unsinn. Israel braucht Krieg, nicht der Iran. Israel hätte es gern
wenn amerikanische Jugend für Israels Grossenwahn stirbt, und die
Amerikan scheinen gerade dumm genug dieses zu bewilligen.


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:19:17 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>Let the muslime fucks live in the Netherlands
>with Heine! After all he loves the muslime baboons!

If anybody around here is a baboon, it is you Doug. You are beyond
disgusting and hypocritical. There is no difference at all between
what you are doing and the people who like to bash Jews at every
opportunity.

If anti-Semitism is wrong, then so is what you are doing.


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:55:55 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 3, 6:08 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:18:04 +0200, Ingo Gideon Becker
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:58:41 GMT, Truthseeker wrote:
>>
>> >> Sein Interesse ist am iranischen Volk
>>
>> >Das stimmt nicht.
>> >Er ist drauf und dran das Land in einen Krieg zu reissen.
>> >Und diesen Krieg wird der Iran nicht gewinnen.
>>
>> Unsinn. Israel braucht Krieg, nicht der Iran. Israel hätte es gern
>> wenn amerikanische Jugend für Israels Grossenwahn stirbt, und die
>> Amerikan scheinen gerade dumm genug dieses zu bewilligen.
>
>Excuse me for interjecting in English as my German is not up to par.
>I heard an interesting point of view the other day.
>The US is using Israel in order to further it's(the US)agenda AND not
>the other way around.  This means that the US wants strife in the mid-
>east caused of course by Israel in order to create war so that they
>(the US) can step in and offer a workable solution.(death, destruction
>and the direct control of the mid-east oil fields).  AND is that a bad
>thing?  Maybe they are worried about the Soviets um excuse me, the
>Russians controlling the oilfields; OR China controlling the oil
>fields.

Oddly, it is a bit of both. Israel is America's vicious dog in the ME
and Israel's job is to keep the region in turmoil. They do that quite
proficiently. Israel, however, also has some very effective lobby
groups within the USA that make sure that the money upon which Israel
depends keeps flowing. A variety of powerful groups within the USA has
made sure that the American public hears only news slanted in favour
of Israel.



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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:22:16 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 7/07/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-60324E.21472806072009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <7b1t13F20ebafU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 1/07/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-4BA058.11355801072009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <7aubv9F20hv6vU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Sara Salzman"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> news:catamont-CE502B.06324530062009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>> >> > In article <7atsu7F21ddthU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> > "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Sara Salzman"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> >> news:catamont-20FFB4.20432029062009@news-40.giganews.com...
>>> >> >> > In article <7arqqgF20ptkvU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> >> > "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to
>>> >> >> >> examine
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among
>>> >> >> >> other
>>> >> >> >> tests,
>>> >> >> >> a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here
>>> >> >> >> are
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> results:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>       1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
>>> >> >> >>       2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
>>> >> >> >>       3 Hermann Goering 138
>>> >> >> >>       4 Karl Doenitz 138
>>> >> >> >>       5 Franz von Papen 134
>>> >> >> >>       6 Eric Raeder 134
>>> >> >> >>       7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
>>> >> >> >>       8 Hans Fritsche 130
>>> >> >> >>       9 Baldur von Schirach 130
>>> >> >> >>       10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
>>> >> >> >>       11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
>>> >> >> >>       12 Albert Speer 128
>>> >> >> >>       13 Alfred Jodl 127
>>> >> >> >>       14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
>>> >> >> >>       15 Constantin von Neurath 125
>>> >> >> >>       16 Walther Funk 124
>>> >> >> >>       17 Wilhelm Frick 124
>>> >> >> >>       18 Rudolf Hess 120
>>> >> >> >>       19 Fritz Sauckel 118
>>> >> >> >>       20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
>>> >> >> >>       21 Julius Streicher 106
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> Nazi
>>> >> >> >> Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in 
>>> >> >> >> The
>>> >> >> >> Reich
>>> >> >> >> Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Notice that there is a clear correlation of IQ with social 
>>> >> >> >> status.
>>> >> >> >> Notice,
>>> >> >> >> as I've pointed out before, that success in the practical
>>> >> >> >> socio-econimc
>>> >> >> >> sense usually goes to those with IQs between 125 and 150. And
>>> >> >> >> finally,
>>> >> >> >> notice that there are no towering IQs in the 150 plus range, as 
>>> >> >> >> one
>>> >> >> >> would
>>> >> >> >> expect from theoreticians. None of these men were original
>>> >> >> >> thinkers.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> What was Hitler's IQ? We will never know for sure, but we can 
>>> >> >> >> guess
>>> >> >> >> that
>>> >> >> >> it
>>> >> >> >> wasn't much different from those at the top of this list. He 
>>> >> >> >> wasn't
>>> >> >> >> an
>>> >> >> >> original thinker either.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Ahh, but Dr. Gilbert was a Jew. Why do you believe what he says?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > -- 
>>> >> >> jews donot always lie
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In other words, "I believe Jews when it suits my purpose." Thanks 
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > admitting it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> whonsays that i believe him, i only posted an artickle from him in the
>>> >> group
>>> >> and was waiting for reactions to it
>>> >
>>> > So you are a hatemonger?
>>>
>>> are you jewish?
>>
>> Are you circumcised?
>
>thanks god no 

It is a pretty primitive religion that goes for body mutilation.


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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 6, 12:06 am, Ken McVay  wrote:
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> July 6
>>
>> 1944
>>
>> Four British women who had been parachuted into France on
>> special missions and were captured, are sent from Karlsruhe
>> prison to Natzweiler concentration camp, where they are
>> executed at the crematorium. This action forms the basis of
>> the British Natzweiler indictment and trial in 1946. (USHMM 1994, 49)
>
>Why were they not executed on the spot?  Some softie was in charge I
>bet.

According to the rules of war, the four women were spies/terrorists
and would normally be subject to summary execution.

The British hypocrites had done this very thing to lots of other
people, but naturally when it is some of their own involved, it is
somehow different.


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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:16:02 -0700 (PDT), bozo 
wrote:

>On Jul 6, 11:43 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://www.thejc.com/articles/madoffs-jewish-jail-plea-denied-judge
>
>When you copy and paste today, herr heinrich, are you going to include
>a report on the delegates from 50 countries who just gathered in
>Prague to discuss the status of 600,000 pieces of Jewish art property
>looted by the nazis during World War II, a massive deliberate theft
>that dwarfs all others conspired by a special nazi office wholly
>dedicated to the task?  I just can't wait to you tell us "what really
>happened" to all the Jewish loot the nazis really didn't steal.
>
>http://www.pbs.org/newshour/art/blog/
>
>
>
At lot of that could very well be a re-run of the Hungarian castle
episode of about thirty years ago. A group of 35 claimants got
together to say that Nazis had stolen 40 million marks worth of art
>from a Hungarian castle and demanded that the German government
compensate them. Stupid German officials had already paid this band of
scammers 15 million marks when one of the German officials started to
smell a rat in the whole story. It turned out that the whole thing was
bogus: no castle and no artwork and no theft.

This is not to say that all such claims are bogus, but sadly much of
it is bogus, especially when scammers smell money.


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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>Witnessed. The participation of German forces: witnessed. The participation 
>of Ukrainan nationalists: witnessed. The participation of the Volkdeutch: 
>witnessed. The annihilation of the Jews: witnessed.The creation of ghettoes, 
>the shootings around the shetls...Witnessed.
>
>There are open graves now, the victims shot in the back of their head, 
>buried naked without their gold(teeth). Only the nazis did that.

American soldiers were infamous in Japan for breaking out gold teeth
>from deceased soldiers and civilians. In the German armed forces,
doing that was a capital crime, but it is perfectly OK for Americans
and they did it quite extensively.

There is nothing saintly about Americans or any other allied forces.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:09:43 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"bozo"  schreef in bericht 
>news:e9787d9e-1121-4978-b6c5-3116dccebf09@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 6, 11:43 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://www.thejc.com/articles/madoffs-jewish-jail-plea-denied-judge
>
>When you copy and paste today, herr heinrich, are you going to include
>a report on the delegates from 50 countries who just gathered in
>Prague to discuss the status of 600,000 pieces of Jewish art property
>looted by the nazis during World War II, a massive deliberate theft
>that dwarfs all others conspired by a special nazi office wholly
>dedicated to the task?  I just can't wait to you tell us "what really
>happened" to all the Jewish loot the nazis really didn't steal.
>
>http://www.pbs.org/newshour/art/blog/
>
>this is a thread about madoff the bad jew and not about stolen art from the 
>jews.

It is important for them to change the topic. One episode has nothing
to do with the other, but it is an old redirection technique used
frequently on this newsgroup.

>
>
>


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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:40:20 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:8c71a8c6-25df-490d-8fa7-0c779908c140@l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 6, 12:48 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>wrote:
>> Witnessed. The participation of German forces: witnessed. The 
>> participation
>> of Ukrainan nationalists: witnessed. The participation of the Volkdeutch:
>> witnessed. The annihilation of the Jews: witnessed.The creation of 
>> ghettoes,
>> the shootings around the shetls...Witnessed.
>>
>> There are open graves now, the victims shot in the back of their head,
>> buried naked without their gold(teeth). Only the nazis did that.
>>
>> Topi
>
>There may be truth to what you have said.  Unfortunately, war is hell,
>and the Jews were considered enemies of the state.
>Just remember that what the National Socialists are alleged to have
>done paled in comparison to what the Soviet Union did to many of its
>citizens.  Also, don't forget the allied air raids on Germany where
>many pregnant women, children, old men and women were burned alive and
>melted into the pavement.  Also the way the Americans treated many
>POW's was reprehensible.  Also, most German units fought honourably.
>There are atrocitiy commiting people in every armed forces.
>The Germans were unique in that the people committing atrocities were
>used to taint the entire Wehrmacht, and atrocities of the allies were
>downplayed immensely.
>The Waffen SS kicked ass; that's why they were labled a criminal
>organization, which is ludicrous.  A Waffen SS fellow in a tank who
>kills an enemy tank is a criminal, but when the British tank kills a
>Waffen SS tank the Brits are not criminal.
>HYPOCRISY!!!
>
>Not only theSS-troops participated in massacres of the civilian people, but 
>also Wehrmacht soldiers. They were thinking that they were waging a war 
>against the Judeo-Bolshevik brutal enemy and no laws of warfare were 
>acknowledged.

The Soviet forces were even more brutal and ruthless, so what is your
point?

>That´s a bad thing for the civilians. War is a cruel and the cavalery is 
>brutal. But the main question stays: why were those young men actually 
>roaming along the plains of Ukraine?
>
>Topi 
>


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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:13:49 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 6, 12:48 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>wrote:
>> Witnessed. The participation of German forces: witnessed. The participation
>> of Ukrainan nationalists: witnessed. The participation of the Volkdeutch:
>> witnessed. The annihilation of the Jews: witnessed.The creation of ghettoes,
>> the shootings around the shetls...Witnessed.
>>
>> There are open graves now, the victims shot in the back of their head,
>> buried naked without their gold(teeth). Only the nazis did that.
>>
>> Topi
>
>There may be truth to what you have said.  Unfortunately, war is hell,
>and the Jews were considered enemies of the state.
>Just remember that what the National Socialists are alleged to have
>done paled in comparison to what the Soviet Union did to many of its
>citizens.  Also, don't forget the allied air raids on Germany where
>many pregnant women, children, old men and women were burned alive and
>melted into the pavement.  Also the way the Americans treated many
>POW's was reprehensible.  Also, most German units fought honourably.
>There are atrocitiy commiting people in every armed forces.
>The Germans were unique in that the people committing atrocities were
>used to taint the entire Wehrmacht, and atrocities of the allies were
>downplayed immensely.
>The Waffen SS kicked ass; that's why they were labled a criminal
>organization, which is ludicrous.  A Waffen SS fellow in a tank who
>kills an enemy tank is a criminal, but when the British tank kills a
>Waffen SS tank the Brits are not criminal.
>HYPOCRISY!!!

The British and the Americans are the world's foremost hypocrites.


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On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:21:56 +0100, Daniel Bernard
 wrote:

>On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:45 +0200, "Heinrich" 
>wrote:
>
>>'Humiliated and degraded': ABC Middle East correspondent Anne Barker (ABC 
>>News)
>>http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...06/2617502.htm
>>Video: Jerusalem rocked by violent protest (ABC News) Audio: Israelis 
>>divided over work on the Sabbath (AM) The ABC's Middle East correspondent 
>>Anne Barker became caught in violent street protests involving 
>>ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem at the weekend. This is her graphic account 
>>of her ordeal.
>>
>>As a journalist I've covered more than my share of protests. Political 
>>protests in Canberra. Unions protesting for better conditions. Angry, loud 
>>protests against governments, or against perceived abuses of human rights.
>>
>>I've been at violent rallies in East Timor. I've had rocks and metal darts 
>>thrown my way. I've come up against riot police.
>>
>>But I have to admit no protest - indeed no story in my career - has 
>>distressed me in the way I was distressed at a protest in Jerusalem on 
>>Saturday involving several hundred ultra-Orthodox Jews.
>>
>Why was she so distressed? 
>
>She should know that those people behave like the Asiatic savages they
>really are.

Ridiculous religious superstitions do strange things to people.

>
>>This particular protest has been going on for weeks.
>>
>>Orthodox Jews are angry at the local council's decision to open a municipal 
>>carpark on Saturdays - or Shabbat, the day of rest for Jews.
>>
>>It's a day when Jews are not supposed to do anything resembling work, which 
>>can include something as simple as flicking a switch, turning on a light or 
>>driving.
>>
>>So even opening a simple carpark to accommodate the increasing number of 
>>tourists visiting Jerusalem's Old City is highly offensive to Orthodox Jews 
>>because it's seen as a desecration of the Shabbat, by encouraging people to 
>>drive.
>>
>>I was aware that earlier protests had erupted into violence on previous 
>>weekends - Orthodox Jews throwing rocks at police, or setting rubbish bins 
>>alight, even throwing dirty nappies or rotting rubbish at anyone they 
>>perceive to be desecrating the Shabbat.
>>
>See what I mean? Those savages wallow in their filth.
>
>>But I never expected their anger would be directed at me.
>>
>She should have known. After all, she's a civilised and educated
>person and therefore anathema to those barbarians.
>
>>I was mindful I would need to dress conservatively and keep out of harm's 
>>way. But I made my mistake when I parked the car and started walking towards 
>>the protest, not fully sure which street was which.
>>
>>By the time I realised I'd come up the wrong street it was too late.
>>
>>I suddenly found myself in the thick of the protest - in the midst of 
>>hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews in their long coats and sable-fur hats.
>>
>And lice-infested beards, no doubt.
>
>>They might be supremely religious, but their behaviour - to me - was far 
>>from charitable or benevolent.
>>
>Well, that's par for the course when you take into account their
>religion.
>
>>As the protest became noisier and the crowd began yelling, I took my 
>>recorder and microphone out of my bag to record the sound.
>>
>>Suddenly the crowd turned on me, screaming in my face. Dozens of angry men 
>>began spitting on me.
>>
>How brave of them.
>>
>>Spit like rain
>>
>>I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting - on my 
>>face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.
>>
>>It was like rain, coming at me from all directions - hitting my recorder, my 
>>bag, my shoes, even my glasses.
>>
>>Big gobs of spit landed on me like heavy raindrops. I could even smell it as 
>>it fell on my face.
>>
>>Somewhere behind me - I didn't see him - a man on a stairway either kicked 
>>me in the head or knocked something heavy against me.
>>
>And to think, people rag on the Muslims for their treatment of women.
>Those Kharazs are no better.
>
>>I wasn't even sure why the mob was angry with me. Was it because I was a 
>>journalist? Or a woman? Because I wasn't Jewish in an Orthodox area? Was I 
>>not dressed conservatively enough?
>>
>>In fact, I was later told, it was because using a tape-recorder is itself a 
>>desecration of the Shabbat even though I'm not Jewish and don't observe the 
>>Sabbath.
>>
>That's just another example of typical Jew religious intolerance. Like
>I said, those people are no better than the radical Islamics they keep
>on bitching about.
>
>>It was lucky that I don't speak Yiddish. 
>
>Yiddish? Don't the bastards even speak Hebrew in "Israel" instead of
>some mongrelised form of German?
>
>>At least I was spared the knowledge 
>>of whatever filth they were screaming at me.
>>
>>As I tried to get away I found myself up against the line of riot police 
>>blocking the crowd from going any further.
>>
>>
>>Reassurance
>>
>>Israeli police in their flak jackets and helmets, with rifles and shields, 
>>were yelling just as loudly back at the protesting crowd.
>>
>Great. Two groups of Jews yelling at each other in Yiddish.
>
>>I found them something of a reassurance against the angry, spitting mob.
>>
>>I was allowed through, away from the main protest, although there were still 
>>Orthodox Jews on the other side, some of whom also yelled at me, in English, 
>
>Ah the bastards do speak a civilised language then!
>
>>to take my recorder away.
>>
>>Normally I should have stayed on the sidelines to watch the protest develop.
>>
>>But when you've suffered the humiliation and degradation of being spat on so 
>>many times - and you're covered in other people's spit - it's not easy to 
>>put it to the back of your mind and get on with the job.
>>
>Hey spitting at Christians and on the Crucifix is supposed to be part
>of their religion and part of the conversion ceremony. 
>
>>I left down a side street and walked the long way back to the car, 
>>struggling to hold back the tears.
>>
>I hope she went to a hospital and had a full check up. She could have
>caught some fucking disease from all that Jew spit.


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:11:52 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"william hubbard"  wrote in message 
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>On Jul 3, 3:08 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> Jews and Israeli-Arabs should not live next to one another, Construction 
>> and
>> Housing Minister Ariel Attias said on Thursday.
>>
>> He warned of the "expansion of a population that doesn't love the State of
>> Israel, to the say the least."
>> Speaking at the Israel Bar Association headquarters in Tel Aviv, the Shas
>> legislator said Israel was in danger of "losing the Galilee" if the
>> Israeli-Arab population continued to "spread" in the North, and mentioned 
>> in
>> particular the Wadi Ara area, where he asserted that Harish, a haredi
>> community planned to be built there, was a "mission of national 
>> importance"
>> that could help "stop the expansion."
>>
>> "Arabs don't have where to live, so they buy apartments in places with a
>> Jewish nature, which causes unwanted friction," Attias said.
>>
>> "We can all be bleeding-hearts," said the minister, "but I think it is
>> unsuitable [for Jews and Arabs] to live together."
>>
>> Attias used the Jewish-Arab clashes last year in Acre to explain his
>> argument. "The mayor of Acre [Shimon Lankry] met with me yesterday for 
>> three
>> hours, and asked how to save the city. He told me to bring a whole lot of
>> haredim to save it," Attias said.
>>
>> The minister quoted Lankry as saying, "I will even lose my political 
>> power."
>>
>> "He told me that Arabs living in Jews' buildings chase them away," Attias
>> added.
>>
>> Mayors in the North "are asking me to salvage the Galilee, because this
>> mixture is not feasible for coexistence over time," Attias said.
>>
>> He said that he would push forward the long-planned Harish project in 
>> order
>> to "save" the Wadi Ara area - which has seen "illegal Arab expansion" - by
>> populating the region with haredim, "who are the only ones willing to live
>> there."
>>
>> MK Ahmed Tibi (United Arab List-Ta'al) lashed out at Attias, saying that
>> "relating to Israel's Arab citizens as something threatening and foreign,
>> coming from a minister in a government that should be distributing 
>> resources
>> [equally], borders on violating the law against incitement to racism."
>
>We need no more asslifters in the states either. send them to
>antarctica..
>
>*************************
>
>What do you call 500 million muslime baboons at the bottom of the Atlantic?
>
>
>A good start. 
>
Why babble about Nazis, Doug, when you are clearly worse than they
ever were?


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:26:05 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht 
>news:85n5m.6151$lv5.4608@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "william hubbard"  wrote in message 
>> news:0b8478b6-796c-4f00-93b0-ed5bb43c04dc@r15g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 3:08 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> Jews and Israeli-Arabs should not live next to one another, Construction 
>>> and
>>> Housing Minister Ariel Attias said on Thursday.
>>>
>>> He warned of the "expansion of a population that doesn't love the State 
>>> of
>>> Israel, to the say the least."
>>> Speaking at the Israel Bar Association headquarters in Tel Aviv, the Shas
>>> legislator said Israel was in danger of "losing the Galilee" if the
>>> Israeli-Arab population continued to "spread" in the North, and mentioned 
>>> in
>>> particular the Wadi Ara area, where he asserted that Harish, a haredi
>>> community planned to be built there, was a "mission of national 
>>> importance"
>>> that could help "stop the expansion."
>>>
>>> "Arabs don't have where to live, so they buy apartments in places with a
>>> Jewish nature, which causes unwanted friction," Attias said.
>>>
>>> "We can all be bleeding-hearts," said the minister, "but I think it is
>>> unsuitable [for Jews and Arabs] to live together."
>>>
>>> Attias used the Jewish-Arab clashes last year in Acre to explain his
>>> argument. "The mayor of Acre [Shimon Lankry] met with me yesterday for 
>>> three
>>> hours, and asked how to save the city. He told me to bring a whole lot of
>>> haredim to save it," Attias said.
>>>
>>> The minister quoted Lankry as saying, "I will even lose my political 
>>> power."
>>>
>>> "He told me that Arabs living in Jews' buildings chase them away," Attias
>>> added.
>>>
>>> Mayors in the North "are asking me to salvage the Galilee, because this
>>> mixture is not feasible for coexistence over time," Attias said.
>>>
>>> He said that he would push forward the long-planned Harish project in 
>>> order
>>> to "save" the Wadi Ara area - which has seen "illegal Arab expansion" - 
>>> by
>>> populating the region with haredim, "who are the only ones willing to 
>>> live
>>> there."
>>>
>>> MK Ahmed Tibi (United Arab List-Ta'al) lashed out at Attias, saying that
>>> "relating to Israel's Arab citizens as something threatening and foreign,
>>> coming from a minister in a government that should be distributing 
>>> resources
>>> [equally], borders on violating the law against incitement to racism."
>>
>> We need no more asslifters in the states either. send them to
>> antarctica..
>>
>> *************************
>>
>> What do you call 500 million muslime baboons at the bottom of the 
>> Atlantic?
>>
>>
>> A good start.
>>we have the same joke but then about turks and moroccans 

Naturally, were you to say such stuff about Jews, you might find
yourself in prison.


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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:06:46 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"parris_k"  wrote in message 
>news:7a9a3b7f-3fea-458e-8439-275943a82a8a@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 7 Juli, 04:07, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>> parris_k wrote:
>>> > On 6 Juli, 09:33, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097901.html
>>>
>>> > I didn't know you were a pensioner, Heiny.
>>>
>>> > BTW, I found a doozy of a post from you the other day, where you claim
>>> > the British invented concentration camps by copying them off of the
>>> > Americans.. any chance you can get back to that level of unintentional
>>> > comic genius soon? You're posts of late have just been the usual low-
>>> > level drone of the ignorant, which nothing to distinguish them.
>>>
>>> Parris, suggest that you Google Andersonville before you make a complete
>>> fool of yourself.
>>
>> Renzetti, before you make an even bigger fool of your foolish self,
>> ask yourself how someone can invent something by copying that thing
>> from someone else. Then come back here and let me laugh at you a bit
>> more.
>>
>> Similarly, Andersonville was a POW camp, not a concentration camp. Do
>> TRY and keep up, old thing.
>>
>
>I had thought Andersonville was a Civil War POW camp? 
>
Yes, it was a POW camp during the American civil war. The North made
numerous accusations against the South over the conditions in the
camp, but it was the usual hypocrisy, since conditions in the northern
camps were only marginally better, and the Confederates had major
supply problems of their own. I doubt that the high death rate at the
camp was by design. Circumstances simply came together to result in
that unfortunate outcome.


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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:05:51 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7bgfl6F23j6idU1@mid.individual.net...
>> 'Humiliated and degraded': ABC Middle East correspondent Anne Barker (ABC 
>> News)
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...06/2617502.htm
>> Video: Jerusalem rocked by violent protest (ABC News) Audio: Israelis 
>> divided over work on the Sabbath (AM) The ABC's Middle East correspondent 
>> Anne Barker became caught in violent street protests involving 
>> ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem at the weekend. This is her graphic 
>> account of her ordeal.
>>
>> As a journalist I've covered more than my share of protests. Political 
>> protests in Canberra. Unions protesting for better conditions. Angry, loud 
>> protests against governments, or against perceived abuses of human rights.
>>
>> I've been at violent rallies in East Timor. I've had rocks and metal darts 
>> thrown my way. I've come up against riot police.
>>
>> But I have to admit no protest - indeed no story in my career - has 
>> distressed me in the way I was distressed at a protest in Jerusalem on 
>> Saturday involving several hundred ultra-Orthodox Jews.
>>
>> This particular protest has been going on for weeks.
>>
>> Orthodox Jews are angry at the local council's decision to open a 
>> municipal carpark on Saturdays - or Shabbat, the day of rest for Jews.
>>
>> It's a day when Jews are not supposed to do anything resembling work, 
>> which can include something as simple as flicking a switch, turning on a 
>> light or driving.
>>
>> So even opening a simple carpark to accommodate the increasing number of 
>> tourists visiting Jerusalem's Old City is highly offensive to Orthodox 
>> Jews because it's seen as a desecration of the Shabbat, by encouraging 
>> people to drive.
>>
>> I was aware that earlier protests had erupted into violence on previous 
>> weekends - Orthodox Jews throwing rocks at police, or setting rubbish bins 
>> alight, even throwing dirty nappies or rotting rubbish at anyone they 
>> perceive to be desecrating the Shabbat.
>>
>> But I never expected their anger would be directed at me.
>>
>> I was mindful I would need to dress conservatively and keep out of harm's 
>> way. But I made my mistake when I parked the car and started walking 
>> towards the protest, not fully sure which street was which.
>>
>> By the time I realised I'd come up the wrong street it was too late.
>>
>> I suddenly found myself in the thick of the protest - in the midst of 
>> hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews in their long coats and sable-fur hats.
>>
>> They might be supremely religious, but their behaviour - to me - was far 
>> from charitable or benevolent.
>>
>> As the protest became noisier and the crowd began yelling, I took my 
>> recorder and microphone out of my bag to record the sound.
>>
>> Suddenly the crowd turned on me, screaming in my face. Dozens of angry men 
>> began spitting on me.
>>
>>
>> Spit like rain
>>
>> I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting - on 
>> my face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.
>>
>> It was like rain, coming at me from all directions - hitting my recorder, 
>> my bag, my shoes, even my glasses.
>>
>> Big gobs of spit landed on me like heavy raindrops. I could even smell it 
>> as it fell on my face.
>>
>> Somewhere behind me - I didn't see him - a man on a stairway either kicked 
>> me in the head or knocked something heavy against me.
>>
>> I wasn't even sure why the mob was angry with me. Was it because I was a 
>> journalist? Or a woman? Because I wasn't Jewish in an Orthodox area? Was I 
>> not dressed conservatively enough?
>>
>> In fact, I was later told, it was because using a tape-recorder is itself 
>> a desecration of the Shabbat even though I'm not Jewish and don't observe 
>> the Sabbath.
>>
>> It was lucky that I don't speak Yiddish. At least I was spared the 
>> knowledge of whatever filth they were screaming at me.
>>
>> As I tried to get away I found myself up against the line of riot police 
>> blocking the crowd from going any further.
>>
>>
>> Reassurance
>>
>> Israeli police in their flak jackets and helmets, with rifles and shields, 
>> were yelling just as loudly back at the protesting crowd.
>>
>> I found them something of a reassurance against the angry, spitting mob.
>>
>> I was allowed through, away from the main protest, although there were 
>> still Orthodox Jews on the other side, some of whom also yelled at me, in 
>> English, to take my recorder away.
>>
>> Normally I should have stayed on the sidelines to watch the protest 
>> develop.
>>
>> But when you've suffered the humiliation and degradation of being spat on 
>> so many times - and you're covered in other people's spit - it's not easy 
>> to put it to the back of your mind and get on with the job.
>>
>> I left down a side street and walked the long way back to the car, 
>> struggling to hold back the tears.
>>
>
>In the USA it would be misdemeanor assault. 
>
The USA is, to be fair, one of the world's most barbarous
jurisdictions.


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:10:35 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7bjrsdF1va51dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:bG25m.3704$bq1.3429@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:7bgfl6F23j6idU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> 'Humiliated and degraded': ABC Middle East correspondent Anne Barker 
>>>> (ABC News)
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...06/2617502.htm
>>>> Video: Jerusalem rocked by violent protest (ABC News) Audio: Israelis 
>>>> divided over work on the Sabbath (AM) The ABC's Middle East 
>>>> correspondent Anne Barker became caught in violent street protests 
>>>> involving ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem at the weekend. This is her 
>>>> graphic account of her ordeal.
>>>>
>>>> As a journalist I've covered more than my share of protests. Political 
>>>> protests in Canberra. Unions protesting for better conditions. Angry, 
>>>> loud protests against governments, or against perceived abuses of human 
>>>> rights.
>>>>
>>>> I've been at violent rallies in East Timor. I've had rocks and metal 
>>>> darts thrown my way. I've come up against riot police.
>>>>
>>>> But I have to admit no protest - indeed no story in my career - has 
>>>> distressed me in the way I was distressed at a protest in Jerusalem on 
>>>> Saturday involving several hundred ultra-Orthodox Jews.
>>>>
>>>> This particular protest has been going on for weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Orthodox Jews are angry at the local council's decision to open a 
>>>> municipal carpark on Saturdays - or Shabbat, the day of rest for Jews.
>>>>
>>>> It's a day when Jews are not supposed to do anything resembling work, 
>>>> which can include something as simple as flicking a switch, turning on a 
>>>> light or driving.
>>>>
>>>> So even opening a simple carpark to accommodate the increasing number of 
>>>> tourists visiting Jerusalem's Old City is highly offensive to Orthodox 
>>>> Jews because it's seen as a desecration of the Shabbat, by encouraging 
>>>> people to drive.
>>>>
>>>> I was aware that earlier protests had erupted into violence on previous 
>>>> weekends - Orthodox Jews throwing rocks at police, or setting rubbish 
>>>> bins alight, even throwing dirty nappies or rotting rubbish at anyone 
>>>> they perceive to be desecrating the Shabbat.
>>>>
>>>> But I never expected their anger would be directed at me.
>>>>
>>>> I was mindful I would need to dress conservatively and keep out of 
>>>> harm's way. But I made my mistake when I parked the car and started 
>>>> walking towards the protest, not fully sure which street was which.
>>>>
>>>> By the time I realised I'd come up the wrong street it was too late.
>>>>
>>>> I suddenly found myself in the thick of the protest - in the midst of 
>>>> hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews in their long coats and sable-fur hats.
>>>>
>>>> They might be supremely religious, but their behaviour - to me - was far 
>>>> from charitable or benevolent.
>>>>
>>>> As the protest became noisier and the crowd began yelling, I took my 
>>>> recorder and microphone out of my bag to record the sound.
>>>>
>>>> Suddenly the crowd turned on me, screaming in my face. Dozens of angry 
>>>> men began spitting on me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spit like rain
>>>>
>>>> I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting - on 
>>>> my face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.
>>>>
>>>> It was like rain, coming at me from all directions - hitting my 
>>>> recorder, my bag, my shoes, even my glasses.
>>>>
>>>> Big gobs of spit landed on me like heavy raindrops. I could even smell 
>>>> it as it fell on my face.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere behind me - I didn't see him - a man on a stairway either 
>>>> kicked me in the head or knocked something heavy against me.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't even sure why the mob was angry with me. Was it because I was a 
>>>> journalist? Or a woman? Because I wasn't Jewish in an Orthodox area? Was 
>>>> I not dressed conservatively enough?
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I was later told, it was because using a tape-recorder is 
>>>> itself a desecration of the Shabbat even though I'm not Jewish and don't 
>>>> observe the Sabbath.
>>>>
>>>> It was lucky that I don't speak Yiddish. At least I was spared the 
>>>> knowledge of whatever filth they were screaming at me.
>>>>
>>>> As I tried to get away I found myself up against the line of riot police 
>>>> blocking the crowd from going any further.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reassurance
>>>>
>>>> Israeli police in their flak jackets and helmets, with rifles and 
>>>> shields, were yelling just as loudly back at the protesting crowd.
>>>>
>>>> I found them something of a reassurance against the angry, spitting mob.
>>>>
>>>> I was allowed through, away from the main protest, although there were 
>>>> still Orthodox Jews on the other side, some of whom also yelled at me, 
>>>> in English, to take my recorder away.
>>>>
>>>> Normally I should have stayed on the sidelines to watch the protest 
>>>> develop.
>>>>
>>>> But when you've suffered the humiliation and degradation of being spat 
>>>> on so many times - and you're covered in other people's spit - it's not 
>>>> easy to put it to the back of your mind and get on with the job.
>>>>
>>>> I left down a side street and walked the long way back to the car, 
>>>> struggling to hold back the tears.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the USA it would be misdemeanor assault.
>>>glad you told me but she should have kicked the jew between his legs
>>
>
>If she has a problem with Jews maybe she should move
>to Soddy Barbaria -- where I can guarantee she would never
>be bothered by Jews again. But she better buy a burka. 
>
The Saudis have their moments, but they are not nearly as ignorant as
Americans, who are also religious crackpots.


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:08:13 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "partisan"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:41a15ea6-af94-4fc0-a9a7-63e1caa6233f@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>> SOUND LIKE HITLER WAS THE JEW VICTIME YOU POST BULLSHIT HEINI THOUTH
>>> YOU SELF WILL NEVER LIVE NEAR TO AN ARAB!
>>>
>>>
>> RADICAL JEWS SHOULD LEAVE THOSE INNOCENT SHOPKEEPERS ALONE
>> THERE IS NO NEED TO ATTACK THEM. IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF IN THE NEXT 
>> FEWS DAYS JEWS ARE UNDER ATTACK AGAIN
>
>Waaaaaaaaaaaa. The muzzie fucks have killed and assaulted several Jews in 
>France
>over the last few years. Payback's a bitch ain't it? 
>
Poor demented Doug is being hypocritical again. It is interesting that
Doug praises exactly the same type of collectivist nonsense that says
if one Jew does you dirt, then they are all guilty, only he only
applies such crap to non-Jews.

In short, Doug is an ignorant bigot and racist.


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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:35 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 8, 7:05 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> "A few days later an experiment with poison gas was carried out by
>> Nebe and Dr. Widmann in Mogilev. In the local lunatic asylum, a room
>> with twenty to thirty of the insane was closed hermetically, and two
>> pipes were driven into the wall. A car was parked outside, and one of
>> the metal pipes that Dr. Widmann had brought connected the exhaust of
>> the car to the pipe in the wall. The car engine was turned on and the
>> carbon monoxide began seeping into the room. After eight minutes, the
>> people in the room were still alive. A second car was connected to the
>> other pipe in the wall. The two cars were operated simultaneously, and
>> a few minutes later all those in the room were dead.
>>
>> After these experimental executions, Nebe came up with the idea of
>> constructing a car with a hermitically sealed cabin for killing
>> purposes. The carbon monoxide from the car's exhaust would be
>> channeled into the sealed cabin, in which the victims stood. Nebe
>> discussed the technical aspects of the idea with Dr. Heess and
>> together they brought the proposal before Heydrich, who adopted it.<1>
>>
>> The Technical Department of the Reich Security Main Office, headed by
>> SS Obersturmbannfuhrer Walter Rauff, developed a special vehicle for
>> killing purposes. This vehicle resembled an ambulance or refrigerator
>> truck and contained a hermetically sealed rear cabin. The victims were
>> placed in the cabin and carbon monoxide was introduced by means of a
>> pipe. The gassing process took between fifteen and thirty minutes.
>> During this time the van was driven from the loading site to prepared
>> graves.
>>
>> Two types of gas vans were built: a larger one, 5.8 meters in length,
>> and a smaller one, measuring 4.5 meters. Both were about 2.5 meters
>> wide and 1.7 meters high. The bigger one could accommodate between 130
>> and 150 people, when densely packed inside, and the smaller one from
>> 80 to 100.<2>
>>
>> The first gas vans were supplied to the Einsatzgruppen and to the
>> Chelmno death camps in November-December 1941. The killing in Chelmno
>> began on December 8, 1941. By the middle of 1942, about thirty gas
>> vans had been produced by a private car manufacturer, the Gabschat
>> Farengewerke GMBH, Will-Walter Strasse 32-38, Berlin. <3>(Arad,
>> 10-11)
>>
>
>Sounds all blood curdily and shit.
>Note that every state with any power researches killing methods, and
>applies them from time to time.

Gabschat Farengewerke ????

That isn't even German, let alone the name of a German manufacturer of
something.


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:12:01 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>Jewish schools are guilty of racial discrimination if they reject children 
>on the grounds of their parentage, a British court has ruled.
>
>In a decision that has shocked the country's 300,000-strong Jewish 
>community, the Court of Appeal held that ongoing personal acts of faith, 
>rather than birth or conversion, must define who is a Jew.
>
>In doing so, the court overturned an earlier high court judgment upholding 
>the decision of the JFS in London (the oldest and largest Jewish school in 
>Britain) to deny a boy admission because it did not recognize his mother?s 
>conversion.
>     Advertisement
>
>The three judges, one of them Jewish, ruled that any selection criteria that 
>gives ethnic priority to a Jew is showing racial discrimination. They cited 
>the Race Relations Act 1976, which was introduced to prevent discrimination 
>on the grounds of race.
>
>The ruling means that Jewish schools of any denomination, whether privately 
>or state funded,

The state really should not be in the business of funding the
superstitions of a small clique of people.




 will be barred from giving priority to children who are 
>born Jewish or who convert, and instead must consider how the children and 
>their families practice their Judaism.
>
>The move throws into disarray the admissions arrangements for Britain's 97 
>Orthodox schools and may force them to introduce "faith tests" - like church 
>schools, which require fortnightly attendance at Sunday services. Such a 
>radical intervention - unprecedented since the time of Oliver Cromwell - 
>calls into question the relationship between church (or synagogue) and 
>state.
>
>The United Synagogue, the denominationto which JFS belongs, already has 
>spent almost $250,000 in legal costs to fight the case, and is now planning 
>a challenge at the highest court in the land, the House of Lords.
>
>The boy?s mother had converted under the auspices of an independent 
>progressive synagogue but JFS rejected his application in line with its 
>admissions policy, which prioritizes children recognized as Jewish by the 
>Office of the Chief Rabbi. Despite representing its largest religious Jewish 
>denomination - the Modern Orthodox United Synagogue - the Chief Rabbi is not 
>a religious representative of all British Jewry. The father of the boy - for 
>legal reasons identified only as Child M - challenged the school at the high 
>court, claiming the school's actions had been racist and illegal. He lost.
>
>But, after two years of legal wrangling, the Court of Appeal found in his 
>favor on 25 June. The judges said: "The motive for discrimination, whether 
>benign or malign, theological or supremacist, makes it no less and no more 
>unlawful." They held that it was lawful to discriminate between Jewish and 
>non-Jewish children on religious grounds, but not on what they called racial 
>grounds.
>
>Atalia Cadranel, spokeswoman for the Board of Deputies, an elected body 
>representing all Jews in the United Kingdom, said: "This is a landmark 
>judgment that has major ramifications for every Jewish school in the U.K. 
>The ruling says that the school's actions were ethnically inspired - and in 
>contravention of the Race Relations Act of 1976. In fact, all Jewish schools 
>base their admissions criteria on religious law and not ethnic criteria.
>
>"Unless the judgment is overturned, schools admissions will be on the basis 
>of a faith test.
>
>"It could be dependent on things like shul attendance, but will be 
>determined by the relevant rabbinic authority of the given school. The 
>concern is that this is a retrograde step and could end up with families 
>feigning observance in order to secure school places. Likewise, some 
>families may be denied the chance to give their children a Jewish 
>education."
>
>Rabbi Tony Bayfield, head of the Movement for Reform Judaism, strongly 
>disagrees with the JFS admissions policy but remains opposed the court's 
>intervention. He said: "JFS denies Jewish status to converts from Reform, 
>Liberal and Masorti, and we abhor that? But we are also extremely worried 
>about the state interfering in our right as a Jewish community to define for 
>ourselves who is a Jew."
>
>Jack Rabinowicz, a Jewish lawyer and expert in education law, said: "It's 
>the first time since the resettlement of Jews in this country more than 350 
>years ago that the state has intervened in the question of who is a Jew. 
>That's quite a remarkable thing.
>
>"Jews have benefited over the last several decades from the Race Relations 
>Act. You have had Jewish policemen, for example, who have claimed 
>discrimination if they're asked to work on Shabbos. The court accepted you 
>can have discrimination on the basis of faith. The difficulty for schools, 
>old-age homes and other institutions is that if you have discrimination on 
>the grounds of religious practice, then that?s very much more difficult. You 
>can a have a Reform Jew who is very careful about their practice and an 
>Orthodox Jew who is very much more lax."
>
>Rabinowicz suggests the House of Lords may take the view that the ruling 
>goes too far in terms of state intervention, and reverse it.
>
>The Liberal movement is the only denomination to welcome the ruling. Rabbi 
>Danny Rich, chief executive of Liberal Judaism, said: "We have taken the 
>most clear and outspoken position on this. Judaism is transmitted not by 
>birth, but by identity and upbringing." He further noted that it was not 
>proper for a state-funded school to decide its admissions based on the 
>status of the child's mother and with reference to only one British Jewish 
>religious authority.
>
>Joshua Rowe, chair of governors at Manchester's King David High School, the 
>largest state-funded Orthodox school outside London, said: ?The selection 
>process at JFS and other denominational schools is based on religion, not 
>race. The test of birth is a religious test, not a racist one. It is a test 
>utilized to define who is a Jew, and it is a test which is intended solely 
>to preserve the religious character of the school and the right to preserve 
>'difference.' To the extent that it might be argued that Judaism is itself 
>racist (because it defines membership on the basis of birth), the rebuttal 
>must surely lie in the fact that anyone who is not Jewish by birth is 
>nevertheless entitled to join the faith."
>
>JFS itself has issued a brief statement saying it is disappointed and 
>believes the ruling will undermine its ethos. It said it was still unclear 
>how the ruling would affect admissions for the new school year in September, 
>but declined to comment further.
>
>Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks said: ?Ethnicity is irrelevant to Jewish 
>identity, according to Jewish law. Education has been the crucible of 
>Judaism throughout the millennia, and the development of Jewish faith 
>schools is one of Anglo Jewry?s greatest achievements."
>


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:53:58 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>Hajo Meyer (b. 1924) is the author of a remarkable booklet "The End of 
>Judaism". In the book he accuses Israel of mis-using the terms like 
>"anti-Semitism" and "anti-Zionism" to blackmail the West for money, and 
>polical support.
>
>"Israel is playing on the feeling of the guilt of the West with threat of 
>public accusation of anti-Semitism when it is criticized for its acts. The 
>West perceives itself a friend of Israel, but in reality, by not criticizing 
>Israel for its violations of international law, it allows the country to 
>slide further into a hopless situation.. Real friend tell each other the 
>truth. May be one day the West has to draw the sad conclusion that after the 
>Holocaust, it was also implicated in the destruction of Palestinian people."

The whole concept of a state dedicated to a ridiculous religious
superstition is an anachronism in the modern world. Muslim, Jewish, or
Christian states should not exist in today's world. The time of these
monstrous, blood-stained superstitions is finished. They all need to
go into history's dustbin.

The deity depicted in Torah myths and fables is a blood-thirsty
monster totally devoid of all morals. This "god" is clearly the
creation of some self-serving demented priests in antiquity. I don't
see how anybody can actually believe that crap in the modern world.


>
>Last month, Hajo was interviewed by Adri Nieuwhof - in which he said: "I can 
>identify with Palestinian youth."
>
>In the past, the European media have written extensively about extreme 
>right-wing politicians like Joerg Haider in Austria and Jean-Marie Le Pen in 
>France. But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in 
>2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply 
>fascist thinking of these politicians. With the book I wanted to distance 
>myself from this. I was raised in Judaism with the equality of relationships 
>among human beings as a core value. I only learned about nationalist Judaism 
>when I heard settlers defend their harassment of Palestinians in interviews. 
>When a publisher asked me to write about my past, I decided to write this 
>book, in a way, to deal with my past. People of one group who dehumanize 
>people who belong to another group can do this, because they either have 
>learned to do so from their parents, or they have been brainwashed by their 
>political leaders. This has happened for decades in Israel in that they 
>manipulate the Holocaust for their political aims. In the long-run the 
>country is destructing itself this way by inducing their Jewish citizens to 
>become paranoid. In 2005 [then Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon illustrated this 
>by saying in the Knesset [the Israeli parliament], we know we cannot trust 
>anyone, we only can trust ourselves. This is the shortest possible 
>definition of somebody who suffers from clinical paranoia. One of the major 
>annoyances in my life is that Israel by means of trickery calls itself a 
>Jewish state, while in fact it is Zionist. It wants the maximum territory 
>with a minimum number of Palestinians. I have four Jewish grandparents. I am 
>an atheist. I share the Jewish socio-cultural inheritance and I have learned 
>about Jewish ethics. I don't wish to be represented by a Zionist state. They 
>have no idea about the Holocaust. They use the Holocaust to implant paranoia 
>in their children.
>
>I have never been a Zionist. After the war, Zionist Jews spoke about the 
>miracle of having "our own country." As a confirmed atheist I thought, if 
>this is a miracle by God, I wished that he had performed the smallest 
>miracle imaginable by creating the state 15 years earlier. Then my parents 
>would not have been dead.
>
>I can write up an endless list of similarities between Nazi Germany and 
>Israel. The capturing of land and property, denying people access to 
>educational opportunities and restricting access to earn a living to destroy 
>their hope, all with the aim to chase people away from their land. And what 
>I personally find more appalling then dirtying one's hands by killing 
>people, is creating circumstances where people start to kill each other. 
>Then the distinction between victims and perpetrators becomes faint. By 
>sowing discord in a situation where there is no unity, by enlarging the gap 
>between people - like Israel is doing in Gaza.
>
>It is so racist, so dreadful. I am at a loss for words. It is an expression 
>of what we already know. [The Israeli Nakba commemoration organization] 
>Zochrot was founded to counteract Israeli efforts to wipe out the marks that 
>are a reminder of Palestinian life. To forbid Palestinians to publicly 
>commemorate the Nakba. . they cannot act in a more Nazi-like, fascist way. 
>Maybe it will help to awaken the world 


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:18:20 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7abesvF1v22qaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "I'll Always Be 23/06/09"  schreef in 
>> bericht news:aussies_suck-4131DD.23475922062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> In article
>>> <7a8iggF1uimjqU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Heinrich" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "I'll Always Be 22/06/09"  schreef in 
>>>> bericht
>>>> news:aussies_suck-D81ABD.20581121062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> > In article
>>>> > <7a61r9F1u87t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> "I'll Always Be 21/06/09"  schreef in
>>>> >> bericht
>>>> >> news:aussies_suck-797A87.22071520062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> >> > In article
>>>> >> > <7a0queF1tb7ucU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> "I'll Always Be 19/06/09"  schreef 
>>>> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> bericht
>>>> >> >> news:aussies_suck-51A4C9.22461018062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> >> >> > In article
>>>> >> >> > <79shfbF1rlrh3U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> >> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> "ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht
>>>> >> >> >> news:v88_l.49$lv5.3@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>> >> >> >> > "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>> >> >> >> > news:79r9ggF1qnh7gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> >> "I'll Always Be 16/06/09"  
>>>> >> >> >> >> schreef
>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> >> bericht
>>>> >> >> >> >> news:aussies_suck-002268.17105916062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> >> >> >> >>> In article
>>>> >> >> >> >>> <3e873660-f833-4ace-b477-2ab43cb23038@g1
>>>> >> >> >> >>> g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> >> >> >> >>> george  wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > "george"  schreef in
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.g
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > oog
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > leg
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > rou
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > ps.co
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > m...
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich" 
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > > holland was notliberated by the americans but by the
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > > canadians
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > > do
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > > try to
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > > keep up mulehead
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > From a Canadian War history
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > &Pa
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > ram
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > s=A
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > 1AR..
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > .
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull 
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > of
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > cemeteries
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > with
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > dead canadians
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all 
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> > wrong
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Riiiight.
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> dutch
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> nazi
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> retard
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> .
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>> Not really
>>>> >> >> >> >> go away
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > An Aryan never cries Heine, but I'll bet you're nothing more 
>>>> >> >> >> > than
>>>> >> >> >> > a filty, sub-human slav pretending to be an Aryan.
>>>> >> >> >> >germans and dutch are of the same aryan blood my friend
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > which is why the britis did not trust
>>>> >> >> > the dutch underground because the brits
>>>> >> >> > thought that the dutch were all nazis.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> correct espcially montgommery did not trust us while saying that 
>>>> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> dutch
>>>> >> >> were an inferior type of germans
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > And you have proven him correct
>>>> >>
>>>> >> the english have always envied us so that is not coming much of a
>>>> >> surprise
>>>> >
>>>> > Besides tulips, cheese and few artists,
>>>> > what is there to envy?
>>>> stupid boy !!!!, philips, unilever, shell etc etc
>>>
>>> Who cares. The world has GE, Proctor and
>>> Gamble and Chevron. All older and
>>> superior
>>
>> who cares about that american shit we donot need them
>
>Instead of worrying about the USA, Jews and WW2 history
>maybe you should be more concerned about the islamonazis
>trying to turn Europe into Eurabia. Allah Ackbar! 
>
The Islamonazis are responding to the Judaonazis who are being
financed by the Amerinazis. It is one happy neonazi family, so fuck
off already.


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:06:37 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7bmb3kF1olt8uU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Hajo Meyer (b. 1924) is the author of a remarkable booklet "The End of 
>> Judaism". In the book he accuses Israel of mis-using the terms like 
>> "anti-Semitism" and "anti-Zionism" to blackmail the West for money, and 
>> polical support.
>>
>> "Israel is playing on the feeling of the guilt of the West with threat of 
>> public accusation of anti-Semitism when it is criticized for its acts. The 
>> West perceives itself a friend of Israel, but in reality, by not 
>> criticizing Israel for its violations of international law, it allows the 
>> country to slide further into a hopless situation.. Real friend tell each 
>> other the truth. May be one day the West has to draw the sad conclusion 
>> that after the Holocaust, it was also implicated in the destruction of 
>> Palestinian people."
>>
>> Last month, Hajo was interviewed by Adri Nieuwhof - in which he said: "I 
>> can identify with Palestinian youth."
>>
>> In the past, the European media have written extensively about extreme 
>> right-wing politicians like Joerg Haider in Austria and Jean-Marie Le Pen 
>> in France. But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in 
>> 2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply 
>> fascist thinking of these politicians. With the book I wanted to distance 
>> myself from this. I was raised in Judaism with the equality of 
>> relationships among human beings as a core value. I only learned about 
>> nationalist Judaism when I heard settlers defend their harassment of 
>> Palestinians in interviews. When a publisher asked me to write about my 
>> past, I decided to write this book, in a way, to deal with my past. People 
>> of one group who dehumanize people who belong to another group can do 
>> this, because they either have learned to do so from their parents, or 
>> they have been brainwashed by their political leaders. This has happened 
>> for decades in Israel in that they manipulate the Holocaust for their 
>> political aims. In the long-run the country is destructing itself this way 
>> by inducing their Jewish citizens to become paranoid. In 2005 [then Prime 
>> Minister Ariel] Sharon illustrated this by saying in the Knesset [the 
>> Israeli parliament], we know we cannot trust anyone, we only can trust 
>> ourselves. This is the shortest possible definition of somebody who 
>> suffers from clinical paranoia. One of the major annoyances in my life is 
>> that Israel by means of trickery calls itself a Jewish state, while in 
>> fact it is Zionist. It wants the maximum territory with a minimum number 
>> of Palestinians. I have four Jewish grandparents. I am an atheist. I share 
>> the Jewish socio-cultural inheritance and I have learned about Jewish 
>> ethics. I don't wish to be represented by a Zionist state. They have no 
>> idea about the Holocaust. They use the Holocaust to implant paranoia in 
>> their children.
>>
>> I have never been a Zionist. After the war, Zionist Jews spoke about the 
>> miracle of having "our own country." As a confirmed atheist I thought, if 
>> this is a miracle by God, I wished that he had performed the smallest 
>> miracle imaginable by creating the state 15 years earlier. Then my parents 
>> would not have been dead.
>>
>> I can write up an endless list of similarities between Nazi Germany and 
>> Israel. The capturing of land and property, denying people access to 
>> educational opportunities and restricting access to earn a living to 
>> destroy their hope, all with the aim to chase people away from their land. 
>> And what I personally find more appalling then dirtying one's hands by 
>> killing people, is creating circumstances where people start to kill each 
>> other. Then the distinction between victims and perpetrators becomes 
>> faint. By sowing discord in a situation where there is no unity, by 
>> enlarging the gap between people - like Israel is doing in Gaza.
>>
>> It is so racist, so dreadful. I am at a loss for words. It is an 
>> expression of what we already know. [The Israeli Nakba commemoration 
>> organization] Zochrot was founded to counteract Israeli efforts to wipe 
>> out the marks that are a reminder of Palestinian life. To forbid 
>> Palestinians to publicly commemorate the Nakba. . they cannot act in a 
>> more Nazi-like, fascist way. Maybe it will help to awaken the world
>
>Palesimians are islamofacist fucks.

Palesimians are the same ethnic group as Jews, differing only in their
stripe of Abrahamic religion. One is just as vicious and bankrupt as
the other.

>There are NO synagogues, churches,
>Bahai temples, Buddhist temples or Hindu temples in the Gaza Shite and there 
>never will be,

There are few of those institutions in Topeka Kansas either, so what
is your bigotted point?

>unlike Israel, where freedom of religion still exists.

By definition, there can be no religious freedom in a JEWISH state
anymore than there can be religious freedom in a PRESBYTERIAN state.
If the state is dedicated to ONE particular religious superstition,
then it cannot have "religious freedom". Israel can be a JEWISH state
or it can have "religious freedom", but not both.

>Israel is the
>only place in the Mid-East where Christians, Bahais and Jews aren't
>being persecuted by muslime fucks. 

No, since Israel is a JEWISH state, then Christians, Bahais and
Muslims are persecuted or disadvantaged by JEWISH FUCKS.

You really are a total jackass, Doug.

>


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:07:44 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:33a7551bi6igrdoin72fhca7fcj2v36fnv@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:40:20 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:8c71a8c6-25df-490d-8fa7-0c779908c140@l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Jul 6, 12:48 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>>>wrote:
>>>> Witnessed. The participation of German forces: witnessed. The
>>>> participation
>>>> of Ukrainan nationalists: witnessed. The participation of the 
>>>> Volkdeutch:
>>>> witnessed. The annihilation of the Jews: witnessed.The creation of
>>>> ghettoes,
>>>> the shootings around the shetls...Witnessed.
>>>>
>>>> There are open graves now, the victims shot in the back of their head,
>>>> buried naked without their gold(teeth). Only the nazis did that.
>>>>
>>>> Topi
>>>
>>>There may be truth to what you have said.  Unfortunately, war is hell,
>>>and the Jews were considered enemies of the state.
>>>Just remember that what the National Socialists are alleged to have
>>>done paled in comparison to what the Soviet Union did to many of its
>>>citizens.  Also, don't forget the allied air raids on Germany where
>>>many pregnant women, children, old men and women were burned alive and
>>>melted into the pavement.  Also the way the Americans treated many
>>>POW's was reprehensible.  Also, most German units fought honourably.
>>>There are atrocitiy commiting people in every armed forces.
>>>The Germans were unique in that the people committing atrocities were
>>>used to taint the entire Wehrmacht, and atrocities of the allies were
>>>downplayed immensely.
>>>The Waffen SS kicked ass; that's why they were labled a criminal
>>>organization, which is ludicrous.  A Waffen SS fellow in a tank who
>>>kills an enemy tank is a criminal, but when the British tank kills a
>>>Waffen SS tank the Brits are not criminal.
>>>HYPOCRISY!!!
>>>
>
>It´s hypocrisy to accept a reason why the germans were in a wrong coutry. 
>Why were the German troops in the Baltics, in Ukraine, in White Russia not 
>to speak of Russia.

Whine at the British and the Americans, who have occupied, and are
still occupying more countries than Germany ever did. German
occupations generally had a very good military reason. Your whines are
rather hypocritical.

>Topi 
>


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:11:00 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
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>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:ad9c7741-5aac-467e-80fd-c3b0bd121962@h31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 7, 4:02 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >Witnessed. The participation of German forces: witnessed. The 
>> >participation
>> >of Ukrainan nationalists: witnessed. The participation of the Volkdeutch:
>> >witnessed. The annihilation of the Jews: witnessed.The creation of 
>> >ghettoes,
>> >the shootings around the shetls...Witnessed.
>>
>> >There are open graves now, the victims shot in the back of their head,
>> >buried naked without their gold(teeth). Only the nazis did that.
>>
>> American soldiers were infamous in Japan for breaking out gold teeth
>> from deceased soldiers and civilians. In the German armed forces,
>> doing that was a capital crime, but it is perfectly OK for Americans
>> and they did it quite extensively.
>>
>
>Looting even an onion from a farmer's field was a capital crime in the
>Waffen SS.
>
>Taking even an onioin from your own field was a capital crime in the eyes of 
>the Waffen troops. Or a potato. Or a carrot.

Nonsense.

>Topi 
>


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:57:44 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 7, 4:26 pm, "Mavisbeacon"  wrote:
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:33a7551bi6igrdoin72fhca7fcj2v36fnv@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:40:20 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>"Bent Attorney Esq."  kirjoitti
>> >>viestissä:8c71a8c6-25df-490d-8fa7-0c779908c...@l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> >>On Jul 6, 12:48 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> Witnessed. The participation of German forces: witnessed. The
>> >>> participation
>> >>> of Ukrainan nationalists: witnessed. The participation of the
>> >>> Volkdeutch:
>> >>> witnessed. The annihilation of the Jews: witnessed.The creation of
>> >>> ghettoes,
>> >>> the shootings around the shetls...Witnessed.
>>
>> >>> There are open graves now, the victims shot in the back of their head,
>> >>> buried naked without their gold(teeth). Only the nazis did that.
>>
>> >>> Topi
>>
>> >>There may be truth to what you have said.  Unfortunately, war is hell,
>> >>and the Jews were considered enemies of the state.
>> >>Just remember that what the National Socialists are alleged to have
>> >>done paled in comparison to what the Soviet Union did to many of its
>> >>citizens.  Also, don't forget the allied air raids on Germany where
>> >>many pregnant women, children, old men and women were burned alive and
>> >>melted into the pavement.  Also the way the Americans treated many
>> >>POW's was reprehensible.  Also, most German units fought honourably.
>> >>There are atrocitiy commiting people in every armed forces.
>> >>The Germans were unique in that the people committing atrocities were
>> >>used to taint the entire Wehrmacht, and atrocities of the allies were
>> >>downplayed immensely.
>> >>The Waffen SS kicked ass; that's why they were labled a criminal
>> >>organization, which is ludicrous.  A Waffen SS fellow in a tank who
>> >>kills an enemy tank is a criminal, but when the British tank kills a
>> >>Waffen SS tank the Brits are not criminal.
>> >>HYPOCRISY!!!
>>
>> >>Not only theSS-troops participated in massacres of the civilian people,
>> >>but
>> >>also Wehrmacht soldiers. They were thinking that they were waging a war
>> >>against the Judeo-Bolshevik brutal enemy and no laws of warfare were
>> >>acknowledged.
>>
>> > The Soviet forces were even more brutal and ruthless, so what is your
>> > point?
>>
>> The point is that even if Maoism and Stalinism killed more people that does
>> NOT justify Nazi genocide!
>>
>> Pointing to others wh oalso did wrong is NOT justifying wrong! We allready
>> KNOw that the british and Americans and others had legal slavery at one
>> stage. That does NOT make Nazi genocide acceptable does it?
>>
>> Stop trying to change the issue to other peoples wrongs and deal with the
>> issue raised!
>
>The issue is that the Germans get blamed for everything relating to
>WWII.
>I'm trying to cast light on what other states(governments)did as
>well.
>Show me a movie where the Germans are victorious in battle at the
>end.  Where they are glorified as heroes.

Mavis specializes in hypocrisy. She speaks out of both sides of her
mouth simultaneously.


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:01:49 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:os97559s7cldi8an5c679u74ip8pe2s68f@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> There is nothing saintly about Americans or any other allied forces.
>>
>Indeed there is not. To attac to the east is still wrong and to kill and all 
>those people especially selecting some by their ethnity or by their 
>political view is horribly wrong.

So babble at the Brits. That sort of thing has been their specialty
for centuries.

>The nazis attacked the Soviet Union, 

That is debatable. It is quite probable that the USSR was preparing an
attack against Germany, and the German forces merely pre-empted them.

>Poland,

Poland was no innocent victim, and was quite instrumental in getting
the whole war going.

 France,

France declared war on Germany and there was no German response for
almost a year. What exactly is your complaint?

> Belgium, Holland,

Given the reality of British terror bombing, it was necessary to
control the coast to obtain early warning of their murderous efforts.

> Denmark,

Denmark was not invaded. The government was temporarily set aside by a
German governor. Clearly, Denmark would be a potential invasion route
if it were not secured by German forces.

> Norway,

A British naval force was en route to violate Norway's neutrality, so
the only thing of which one can accuse the Germans is that they got
there a few hours earlier to secure the iron ore railway from Sweden
that emerges at Narvik.

> The Baltic States and many other states.

If you're at war with the USSR, then you really cannot leave the
Baltic coast under Russian control. It is suicidal if you leave it
under Soviet control. Besides, the three Baltic states would still be
Russian provinces were it not for German military efforts in WW1.

>Germany was a pirate state

You're confusing it with Britain and the USA.

> and GB and the USA was to release them from horrific totaliatism.

For decades, Britain held the world record for the number of wars, but
Britain has recently been eclipsed by its former colony which has been
at war against somebody or another ever single year of its existence.
Your "heroes" have clay feet.

> The biggest factor in defeating the nazi forces were the Red Army troops.

That isn't exactly surprising, given that the USSR had more than three
times the population of Germany. Germany's only chance of surviving a
Soviet invasion was to try a pre-emptive strike. It almost succeeded,
but even proficient campaigners have a limit to the number of enemies
they can accommodate.
>
>Topi
>


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:30:22 -0700 (PDT), mirjam 
wrote:

>Johannes ...
>> No, since Israel is a JEWISH state, then Christians, Bahais and
>> Muslims are persecuted or disadvantaged by JEWISH FUCKS.
>>
>You better read this
>Religious Freedom in Israel
>
>Ever since Israel gained control of East Jerusalem in 1967, the city
>has been a setting of religious freedom and tolerance. The Israeli
>government has ensured that religious sites in Jerusalem are open to
>people of all faiths, creeds and nationalities.

That is indeed the official position, but reality looks rather
different. Using Canada as a reference, Israel falls dramatically
short of having religious freedom for non-Jews. There is no place in
the modern world for a state that enshrines the religious
superstitions of one particular group to the detriment of others. I'm
not picking on Judaism here, although I do regard it as nonsense,
along with the two other Abrahamic religions of Christianity and
Islam. The whole concept of murdering people because their
superstitions are different than yours is rather abhorent to me.

>
>reedom of Religion during Jordanian Rule
>
>Under Jordanian control, Christian and Jewish holy sites in East
>Jerusalem were off limits to non-Muslims. Jews were unable to access
>the Western Wall, perhaps the holiest site to modern Jewry.
>Additionally, in 1955 and 1964, Jordan passed laws imposing strict
>government control on Christian schools, including restrictions on the
>opening of new schools, state control over school finances and
>appointment of teachers and the requirements that the Koran be taught
>(Myths and Facts Online).
>
>Freedom of Religion under Israeli Control
>
>One outcome of the 1967 war was the Israeli liberation of religious
>sites in the region, finally enabling people of faith to worship at
>their holiest sites, without the threat of violence or persecution.
>After gaining control over East Jerusalem in 1967, the Israeli
>government opened religious sites to anybody who wished to visit them
>under the Protection of Holy Sites Law (1967).This law states,
>“Whoever does anything that is likely to violate the freedom of access
>of the members of the various religions to the places sacred to them
>is liable to imprisonment for a term of 5 years.”
>
>
>Former US President Jimmy Carter acknowledged that religious freedom
>increased under Israeli rule. According to him, there is "no doubt"
>that Israel did a better job safeguarding access to the city's holy
>places than did Jordan. "There is unimpeded access today. There wasn't
>from 1948-67 (Myths and Facts Online).”
>
>
>FurtherFurthermore, The United States government recognized Israel’s
>commitment to religious freedom in the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995,
>stating,
>
>“Since 1967, Jerusalem has been a united city administered by Israel,
>and persons of all religious faiths have been guaranteed full access
>to holy sites within the city.”
>
>Israel Israel first codified its commitment to freedom of religion in
>the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel in
>1948.This document reads,
>
>“The State of Israel will foster the development of the country for
>the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom,
>justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will
>ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its
>inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee
>freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it
>will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions.”
>
>The Protection of Holy Sites Law also transferred autonomy over holy
>sites to their respective religious authorities. Through this law,
>despite having denied access to Jewish holy sites for so many years,
>the Israeli government immediately gave the Muslim authorities in
>Jerusalem autonomy over Muslim sites. They transferred this authority
>in order to ensure that Muslims would have complete freedom to worship
>in their holy sites.
>
>
>
>Palestinian Actions and Attitudes Towards Freedom of Religion
>
>The Palestinian Authority has taken steps to limit the freedom of
>religion in areas under its governance. The PA’s Ministry of Waqf and
>Islamic Affairs, who currently control the Temple Mount or Haram al-
>Sharif have prohibited all non-Muslims from entering the sanctuary,
>the exact location where the Jewish Temple once stood. On several
>occasions, Palestinians have thrown stones from the Temple Mount at
>Jews praying at the Western Wall below them (CNN.com).
>
>According to the State Department’s International Religious Freedom
>Report (2002),the Palestinian Authority, has no law in force
>protecting religious freedoms. In addition, the PA’s political and
>religious leaders have expressed troubling sentiments about their
>attitudes towards Jewish holy sites. While demanding that Israel give
>up all rights over the Temple Mount, Sheikh Ikrama Sabri, the official
>PA Mufti, declared, “The Western Wall is just a fence belonging to a
>Muslim holy site (Interview with Makor Rishon, May 22, 1998).” In
>addition, Mahmoud Abbas proclaimed that the new Palestinian state
>would not tolerate any permanent Jewish presence at the Western Wall
>(World Net Daily, July 1st, 2003).
>
>Map of Religious Sites in the Old City of Jerusalem
>
>
> http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=hsJPK0PIJpH&b=883997&ct=1163965
>
>
>For Journalists | About TIP | Donate Now | Media Fellowships | Contact
>Us | Helpful Links | Site Map
>www.theisraelproject.org | 202.857.6644 | 972.2.6236427 | © 2009 The
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>
>
>


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:26:25 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Interesting reply from you. does it make sense to you only to transport the 
>Jews for some thousand miles only to gas them to death.

That is the whole point. Transporting people thousands of kilometres
merely to murder them at the end makes absolutely no sense. The
Communists murdered far more people than the Nazis ever did, and they
managed to do it without using expensive railway carriages, special
camps, and special execution gear. The whole scenario is simply
improbable, especially given the airy-fairy "proofs" that McVay likes
to throw about.

>Do you have another 
>fairytale storey than this one.please let us know what your next invention 
>would be be.

If McVay had any proof that would stand up to scientific scrutiny, he
wouldn't be running around threatening people for not believing.
Threatening heretics for failing to believe in nonsense is the general
pattern for a variety of religious crackpots who are also trying to
sell a product that is incapable of proof, so threats and coercion
have to serve instead.


>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 8/07/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-44725E.20125609072009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <%8w5m.34193$Db2.17886@edtnps83>,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can not figure out why so much fuss about the gas vans. A bullet would
>>> have been much cheaper and time consuming.
>>
>> And much more fun for the likes of you
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> news:1edc55pd6fgcu06r4b2kcqqi7ogvi5tkfh@4ax.com...
>>> > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:35 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Jul 8, 7:05 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>> >>> "A few days later an experiment with poison gas was carried out by
>>> >>> Nebe and Dr. Widmann in Mogilev. In the local lunatic asylum, a room
>>> >>> with twenty to thirty of the insane was closed hermetically, and two
>>> >>> pipes were driven into the wall. A car was parked outside, and one of
>>> >>> the metal pipes that Dr. Widmann had brought connected the exhaust of
>>> >>> the car to the pipe in the wall. The car engine was turned on and the
>>> >>> carbon monoxide began seeping into the room. After eight minutes, the
>>> >>> people in the room were still alive. A second car was connected to 
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> other pipe in the wall. The two cars were operated simultaneously, 
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> a few minutes later all those in the room were dead.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> After these experimental executions, Nebe came up with the idea of
>>> >>> constructing a car with a hermitically sealed cabin for killing
>>> >>> purposes. The carbon monoxide from the car's exhaust would be
>>> >>> channeled into the sealed cabin, in which the victims stood. Nebe
>>> >>> discussed the technical aspects of the idea with Dr. Heess and
>>> >>> together they brought the proposal before Heydrich, who adopted 
>>> >>> it.<1>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Technical Department of the Reich Security Main Office, headed by
>>> >>> SS Obersturmbannfuhrer Walter Rauff, developed a special vehicle for
>>> >>> killing purposes. This vehicle resembled an ambulance or refrigerator
>>> >>> truck and contained a hermetically sealed rear cabin. The victims 
>>> >>> were
>>> >>> placed in the cabin and carbon monoxide was introduced by means of a
>>> >>> pipe. The gassing process took between fifteen and thirty minutes.
>>> >>> During this time the van was driven from the loading site to prepared
>>> >>> graves.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Two types of gas vans were built: a larger one, 5.8 meters in length,
>>> >>> and a smaller one, measuring 4.5 meters. Both were about 2.5 meters
>>> >>> wide and 1.7 meters high. The bigger one could accommodate between 
>>> >>> 130
>>> >>> and 150 people, when densely packed inside, and the smaller one from
>>> >>> 80 to 100.<2>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The first gas vans were supplied to the Einsatzgruppen and to the
>>> >>> Chelmno death camps in November-December 1941. The killing in Chelmno
>>> >>> began on December 8, 1941. By the middle of 1942, about thirty gas
>>> >>> vans had been produced by a private car manufacturer, the Gabschat
>>> >>> Farengewerke GMBH, Will-Walter Strasse 32-38, Berlin. <3>(Arad,
>>> >>> 10-11)
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>Sounds all blood curdily and shit.
>>> >>Note that every state with any power researches killing methods, and
>>> >>applies them from time to time.
>>> >
>>> > Gabschat Farengewerke ????
>>> >
>>> > That isn't even German, let alone the name of a German manufacturer of
>>> > something. 
>


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:43:39 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>I can not figure out why so much fuss about the gas vans. A bullet would 
>have been much cheaper and time consuming.

Those were plentiful and relatively cheap, whereas transport in
Reichsbahn carriages is labour intensive and expensive. It just
doesn't sound very probable.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:1edc55pd6fgcu06r4b2kcqqi7ogvi5tkfh@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:35 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 8, 7:05 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>> "A few days later an experiment with poison gas was carried out by
>>>> Nebe and Dr. Widmann in Mogilev. In the local lunatic asylum, a room
>>>> with twenty to thirty of the insane was closed hermetically, and two
>>>> pipes were driven into the wall. A car was parked outside, and one of
>>>> the metal pipes that Dr. Widmann had brought connected the exhaust of
>>>> the car to the pipe in the wall. The car engine was turned on and the
>>>> carbon monoxide began seeping into the room. After eight minutes, the
>>>> people in the room were still alive. A second car was connected to the
>>>> other pipe in the wall. The two cars were operated simultaneously, and
>>>> a few minutes later all those in the room were dead.
>>>>
>>>> After these experimental executions, Nebe came up with the idea of
>>>> constructing a car with a hermitically sealed cabin for killing
>>>> purposes. The carbon monoxide from the car's exhaust would be
>>>> channeled into the sealed cabin, in which the victims stood. Nebe
>>>> discussed the technical aspects of the idea with Dr. Heess and
>>>> together they brought the proposal before Heydrich, who adopted it.<1>
>>>>
>>>> The Technical Department of the Reich Security Main Office, headed by
>>>> SS Obersturmbannfuhrer Walter Rauff, developed a special vehicle for
>>>> killing purposes. This vehicle resembled an ambulance or refrigerator
>>>> truck and contained a hermetically sealed rear cabin. The victims were
>>>> placed in the cabin and carbon monoxide was introduced by means of a
>>>> pipe. The gassing process took between fifteen and thirty minutes.
>>>> During this time the van was driven from the loading site to prepared
>>>> graves.
>>>>
>>>> Two types of gas vans were built: a larger one, 5.8 meters in length,
>>>> and a smaller one, measuring 4.5 meters. Both were about 2.5 meters
>>>> wide and 1.7 meters high. The bigger one could accommodate between 130
>>>> and 150 people, when densely packed inside, and the smaller one from
>>>> 80 to 100.<2>
>>>>
>>>> The first gas vans were supplied to the Einsatzgruppen and to the
>>>> Chelmno death camps in November-December 1941. The killing in Chelmno
>>>> began on December 8, 1941. By the middle of 1942, about thirty gas
>>>> vans had been produced by a private car manufacturer, the Gabschat
>>>> Farengewerke GMBH, Will-Walter Strasse 32-38, Berlin. <3>(Arad,
>>>> 10-11)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds all blood curdily and shit.
>>>Note that every state with any power researches killing methods, and
>>>applies them from time to time.
>>
>> Gabschat Farengewerke ????
>>
>> That isn't even German, let alone the name of a German manufacturer of
>> something. 
>


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Andy
 wrote:

>
>According to my priest , Aryans were not a people or nation, but a
>relgious cult.

Aryans were people with male sky-gods as opposed to female fertility
gods rooted on earth. How the whole "race" thing started in relation
to this, I'm not sure.

There is also the Aryan heresy of the early Christian church where the
"Aryans" did not buy into the trinitarian concept.

> More like the freemasons really.... Got nothing really
>against masons myself though....


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:34:02 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 9, 4:28 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:53:58 +0200, "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hajo Meyer (b. 1924) is the author of a remarkable booklet "The End of
>> >Judaism". In the book he accuses Israel of mis-using the terms like
>> >"anti-Semitism" and "anti-Zionism" to blackmail the West for money, and
>> >polical support.
>>
>> >"Israel is playing on the feeling of the guilt of the West with threat of
>> >public accusation of anti-Semitism when it is criticized for its acts. The
>> >West perceives itself a friend of Israel, but in reality, by not criticizing
>> >Israel for its violations of international law, it allows the country to
>> >slide further into a hopless situation.. Real friend tell each other the
>> >truth. May be one day the West has to draw the sad conclusion that after the
>> >Holocaust, it was also implicated in the destruction of Palestinian people."
>>
>> The whole concept of a state dedicated to a ridiculous religious
>> superstition is an anachronism in the modern world. Muslim, Jewish, or
>> Christian states should not exist in today's world. The time of these
>> monstrous, blood-stained superstitions is finished. They all need to
>> go into history's dustbin.
>>
>> The deity depicted in Torah myths and fables is a blood-thirsty
>> monster totally devoid of all morals. This "god" is clearly the
>> creation of some self-serving demented priests in antiquity. I don't
>> see how anybody can actually believe that crap in the modern world.
>>
>
>This is so right on.
>I don't know if all priests are demented.  Some may be pulling the
>wool over the eyes of the sheep.
>Actually, I don't see how intelligent people believe some of this
>stuff.  Praying, praying five times a day, wailing at the wall etc.

>Obama wailed at the wall.

Obama is a politician. He does what he thinks people expect.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Last month, Hajo was interviewed by Adri Nieuwhof - in which he said: "I can
>> >identify with Palestinian youth."
>>
>> >In the past, the European media have written extensively about extreme
>> >right-wing politicians like Joerg Haider in Austria and Jean-Marie Le Pen in
>> >France. But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in
>> >2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply
>> >fascist thinking of these politicians. With the book I wanted to distance
>> >myself from this. I was raised in Judaism with the equality of relationships
>> >among human beings as a core value. I only learned about nationalist Judaism
>> >when I heard settlers defend their harassment of Palestinians in interviews.
>> >When a publisher asked me to write about my past, I decided to write this
>> >book, in a way, to deal with my past. People of one group who dehumanize
>> >people who belong to another group can do this, because they either have
>> >learned to do so from their parents, or they have been brainwashed by their
>> >political leaders. This has happened for decades in Israel in that they
>> >manipulate the Holocaust for their political aims. In the long-run the
>> >country is destructing itself this way by inducing their Jewish citizens to
>> >become paranoid. In 2005 [then Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon illustrated this
>> >by saying in the Knesset [the Israeli parliament], we know we cannot trust
>> >anyone, we only can trust ourselves. This is the shortest possible
>> >definition of somebody who suffers from clinical paranoia. One of the major
>> >annoyances in my life is that Israel by means of trickery calls itself a
>> >Jewish state, while in fact it is Zionist. It wants the maximum territory
>> >with a minimum number of Palestinians. I have four Jewish grandparents. I am
>> >an atheist. I share the Jewish socio-cultural inheritance and I have learned
>> >about Jewish ethics. I don't wish to be represented by a Zionist state. They
>> >have no idea about the Holocaust. They use the Holocaust to implant paranoia
>> >in their children.
>>
>> >I have never been a Zionist. After the war, Zionist Jews spoke about the
>> >miracle of having "our own country." As a confirmed atheist I thought, if
>> >this is a miracle by God, I wished that he had performed the smallest
>> >miracle imaginable by creating the state 15 years earlier. Then my parents
>> >would not have been dead.
>>
>> >I can write up an endless list of similarities between Nazi Germany and
>> >Israel. The capturing of land and property, denying people access to
>> >educational opportunities and restricting access to earn a living to destroy
>> >their hope, all with the aim to chase people away from their land. And what
>> >I personally find more appalling then dirtying one's hands by killing
>> >people, is creating circumstances where people start to kill each other.
>> >Then the distinction between victims and perpetrators becomes faint. By
>> >sowing discord in a situation where there is no unity, by enlarging the gap
>> >between people - like Israel is doing in Gaza.
>>
>> >It is so racist, so dreadful. I am at a loss for words. It is an expression
>> >of what we already know. [The Israeli Nakba commemoration organization]
>> >Zochrot was founded to counteract Israeli efforts to wipe out the marks that
>> >are a reminder of Palestinian life. To forbid Palestinians to publicly
>> >commemorate the Nakba. . they cannot act in a more Nazi-like, fascist way.
>> >Maybe it will help to awaken the world


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:41:47 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>I am not so sure about this one , but I am sure you are a complete idiot. If 
>you have a logical explanation I will certainly but you to test.

What stupid Americans have destroyed in and around the Iraqi capital
is of drastically more significance than the entire USA. The world
would be a better place had the wasteful and barbarous USA never
marred its surface.

>KK
>
>"I'll Always Be 8/07/09"  wrote in message 
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>> Do you believe that 45000 people died in
>> a single air raid on Nuremberg? 
>


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:32:54 -0700 (PDT), bastian 
wrote:

>On 10 Jul., 08:02, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Also du meist die deutschen haben bomben abgeworfen ohne vorher von denn
>> Gegnern beschossen zu werden. Vergleich es einmal mit Königsberg. Wo es den
>> polen Unter denn Versailles Vertrag keine Waffen erlaubt waren. Es dauerte
>> den deutschen erst einmal 2 Wochen um das ratzen Nest auszuräumen. Genauso
>> wie in Warschau wo die deutsche Flugzeuge von denn Häusern aus beschossen
>> wurden. Eine Stadt von der aus zurück geschossen wird ist ein Krieg
>> Gebiet.Kannst du uns erzählen das es denn deutschen nicht erlaubt sein soll
>> zurück zu schießen.
>> Kurt Knoll.
> >
>
>Ja, wenn er recht hat, hat er recht.
>
>Wenn ich dran denke, wie grausam die Spanier Deutschland bombadiert
>haben, da mußte
>Guernica einfach kommen.

Das ist aber ganz idiotisch, da Guernica im Auftrag spanischer
Behörden bombariert wurde, und nicht auf befehl deutscher Behörden.
Deutschland war nicht mit Spanien in einem Krieg verwickelt, so daß
der Angriff auf Guernica nichts mit dem Deutschen Reiche zu tun hatte.

>Und wie erst die Niederländer Deutschland bombardiert haben, Pech für
>Rotterdam....

Rotterdam war eine verteidigte Stadt. Nach dem Kriegsgesetz war die
Bombardierung genau wie Artilleriebeschuß ganz legitim, da ein
deutsches Heer die Stadt belagerte und in der Lage war sie
einzunehmen.

Allierte Terrorangriffe, gegensätzlich, waren gegen offene Städte
durchgeführt wo keine Möglichkeit bestand die Stadt einzunehmen.

Die russischen Angriffe auf Breslau hatten auch tausende Opfer zur
Folge, aber die Stadt war eine Festung die gegen ein sovietisches Heer
verteidigt wurde mit dem Resultat daß dies kein Kriegsverbrechen war.
Die grosse Mehrzahl allierter Angriffe gegen deutsche Stadte waren
aber Kriegsverbrechen im Sinne des Kriegsgesetzes.


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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 9, 4:17 pm, Divided by Diversity  ??? 
>wrote:
>> "You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that
>> we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White
>> House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president
>> can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable.
>> What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control
>> the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America.
>> In America you can criticize God, but you can't criticize Israel." -
>> Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menachehttp://www.daily.pk/world/americas/9334-israeli-spokesman-says-we-con...
>>
>> Who's writing your newspaper and reporting your news? Who is making
>> your movies and presenting your current affairs shows? Who are your
>> politicians and who is paying them? Why is the West busy fighting
>> Israel's regional enemies and the West's citizens busy bailing out
>> Jewish bankers? How can the richest nations in the world be jobless
>> and homeless?
>>
>> While this list may never be complete, it will cover most of the
>> Jewish names one is likely to encounter in everyday Western life.
>> Unlike many gentile names, there is such a thing as a 'Jewish name.'
>> Many Jewish persons can be recognized as being Jewish by their surname
>> [last name], although not always--some Jews are adopted, or their
>> forebears changed the family surname, or their surname simply does not
>> appear Jewish.
>>
>> Here are the most common Jewish names likely to be encountered:
>>
>> -Names ending in "-berg" (Goldberg, Weinberg, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-man" (Goldman, Lightman, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-stein" (Einstein, Perlstein, etc.)
>>
>> -Names that sound "precious" (Gold, Silver, Diamond, Ruby (Rubenstein)
>> etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-ler" (Adler, Midler, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-ner" (Asner, Lardner, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-lin" (Gitlin, Sheindlin, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-band" (Miliband, Goldband, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-witz" (Horowitz, Rabinowitz, etc.) or "-
>> itz" (Kravitz, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-baum" (Teitelbaum, Metzenbaum, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-off" (Chartoff, Berkhoff, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-nik" (Resnik, Mitnik, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-thal" (Blumenthal, Rosenthal, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-ling" (Spelling, Sperling, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-sky" (Barshefsky, Linsky, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-farb" (Himmelfarb, Goldfarb, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-feld" (Seinfeld, Rosenfeld, etc.)
>>
>> -Names ending in "-stone" (Wellstone, Firestone, etc.)
>>
>> -Some, but certainly not all, names ending in "-son" (Abelson,
>> Josephson, etc.)
>>
>> -Surnames that sound "Biblical," e.g., David, Joseph, Abram or
>> Abraham, Moses, Benjamin, Isaac, etc.
>>
>> Some other common Jewish names:
>>
>> -Miller
>> -Davis
>> -Ross
>> -Lewis
>> -Roth
>> -Morris
>> -Davidson
>> -Green
>> -Wolf
>> -Newman
>> -Gross
>> -Harris
>> -Sherman
>> -Myers
>> -Mayer
>> -Jacobs
>> -Aaron
>> -Michael
>> -Hirsch
>> -Raphael
>> -Tobias
>> -Levy
>> -Brand
>> -Cohen
>> -Kaplan
>> -Weiss
>> -Nathan
>> -Leo
>> -Levine
>> -Simon
>> -Levin
>> -Samuel
>> -Falk
>> -Wise
>> -Gottfried
>> -Gottlieb
>> -Mann
>> -Mathis
>> -May
>> -Mars
>> -Marx
>> -Marks
>> -Saul
>> -Gould
>> -Fink
>> -Loeb
>> -Loew
>> -Rubin
>> -Stern
>> -Shapiro
>> -Klein
>> -Cohn
>> -Singer
>> -Frank
>> -Schwartz
>> -Rich
>> -Kahn
>> -Kramer
>>
>> http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-americawww.iamthewitness.comwww.judicial-inc.bizwww.jewwatch.comwww.davidduke.com
>
>I think that Genesis; the garden of Eden referred to another planet.
>Adam and Eve were tossed out.  Time passes.  Noah comes along and a
>flood happens?  These people were so tech advanced that Noah built a
>spaceship carrying DNA of animals.

Noah paid a special visit to the Galapagos Islands to deposit some
animals there that exist nowhere else, and he also paid special visits
to Australia, New Zealand and North America to deposit plants and
animals that are unique to those areas.

Frankly, the existence of unicorns seems more probable than the Noah
stuff.



>  Him and crew set out and find
>Earth.  The rest is history.  Why they destoyed(or did they destroy
>their technology; perhaps they kept it and let it out slow like)their
>tech is a mystery.
>Jews don't run the world more than anyone else.  I'd be keeping an eye
>on the Brits and Americans(the power structure, not the average
>people).  Then there's Bilderberg.  Masons?  I don't know, but maybe.


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:02:13 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Also du meist die deutschen haben bomben abgeworfen ohne vorher von denn 
>Gegnern beschossen zu werden. Vergleich es einmal mit Königsberg. Wo es den 
>polen Unter denn Versailles Vertrag keine Waffen erlaubt waren. Es dauerte 
>den deutschen erst einmal 2 Wochen um das ratzen Nest auszuräumen. Genauso 
>wie in Warschau wo die deutsche Flugzeuge von denn Häusern aus beschossen 
>wurden. Eine Stadt von der aus zurück geschossen wird ist ein Krieg 
>Gebiet.Kannst du uns erzählen das es denn deutschen nicht erlaubt sein soll 
>zurück zu schießen.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>
>"H.G. Schmidt"  wrote in message 
>news:h35bkm$g82$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>
>> "Erich Pfennig"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
>> news:h3596t$a9u$1@ulric.tng.de...
>>
>>>> Die Zerstörung des Weltkulturerbes Dresden oder viele andere
>>> mittelalterliche Städte in Deutschland in den letzten Kriegswochen sind
>>> ein hier bekanntes Beispiel für deren Rücksichtslosigkeit.
>>>
>>> Erich
>>
>> Dresden war damals schon "Weltkulturerbe"? Und mittelalterlich obendrein?
>> Das Zerstören von Städten aus der Luft ist eine orignär deutsche Erfindung 
>> gewesen
>> und wurde in Guernica, Rotterdam, Coventry - und zwar genau in dieser
>> Reihenfolge- den Kriegsgegnern Nazi-Deutschlands vorgeführt. Die haben 
>> sich
>> dann dieses Vorbildes erinnert und sich anschließend deutsche Städte 
>> vorgenommen.

Sie schreiben Unsinn. Die britische Luftflotte ist nicht plötzlich am
1. September aus dem Himmel gefallen. Der Bau der grossen
viermotorigen Kriegsverbrecherwerkzeuge war schon 1930 unterwegs, lang
bevor Hitler zur Macht kam. Die Deutschen, im Gegensatz, hatten fast
keine grossen Flächenbomber im Einsatz. Zivilgruel ist eine englische
Spezialität. Es ist idiotisch Terrorangriffe gegen deutsche Städte die
tausende von Opfer hatten mit Coventry (unter 350 Opfer) oder
Rotterdam (unter 900 Opfer) zu vergleichen. Zusätzlich war Rotterdam
eine verteidigte Stadt die von deutschen Soldaten belagert wurde, ganz
anders als Dresden die mehr als hundert kilometer von irgendeiner
Front lag.

>> Und das findest du verwunderlich? Und nur Adolf Nasenbart durfte es, die 
>> anderen nicht?

Das sind meistens allierte Argumente. Amerikanische Morde sind gute
Morde, aber deutsche Morde sind schlechte Morde. Das ist eben die
Anglo-Amerikanische Heuchelei wie sie nocht heute vorhanden ist.
Amerika, das angeblich friedenliebende Land, stand sämtliche Jahren
seiner Existenz im Krieg gegen einen oder mehrere Gegner. Amerika ist
die moderne Barbarei und hat der Welt überhaupt nichts zu lehren.

Ich freue mich jedes mal daß eine amerikansche Soldatenleiche von
Afghanistan or den Iraq zurück in die Vereinigten Staaten reist. Diese
mörderische Schweine haben ihren gewaltsamen Tod reichlich verdient. 




>>
>>
>> HGS
>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:54:59 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>http://vorarlberg.orf.at/stories/373566/
>
>An article today on ORF.at reports that a man was convicted of “belittling 
>religious teachings” for what is essentially no more than quoting or 
>summarizing Islamic scriptures.

Why does one have to respect superstition? There is no difference
between Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. They are all Abrahamic
religions based on meaningless myths and fables. Why should people be
FORCED to pay lip service to this ridiculous crap?

>
>Our Austrian correspondent ESW summarizes the case, based on the ORF report:
>
>This occurred in a local court, under Austrian law (not EU law). A 
>43-year-old man was accused of belittling religious teachings and received a 
>suspended sentence of €300. “Suspended” means that he does not have to pay 
>the fine if he does not repeat the offense.
>
>The defendant — who is a teacher and may lose his job — received the 
>sentence because he wrote online under a pseudonym that “the Quran is a book 
>of lies” and “the Muslims are the enemies of the Christians, and they (the 
>Muslims) killed 200 Jews single-handedly.”
>
>He added that he wanted to show and explain that the teachings of this 
>religious group have never been scrutinized since its legal recognition by 
>the Austrian state in 1912.
>
>His expressed view of Islam was, however, vehemently disapproving. Here’s a 
>direct translation of a sample of what he wrote online:
>
>- – - – - – - – -
>
>Islam was and always has been a “sect” for idiots. There is only one 
>solution: Islam must no longer be legally recognized as a religious group. 
>This damned Islam with its godawful double standards must be prohibited. 
>Pedophiles and killers must be brought to justice. To all supporters of 
>Islam (I say): Read this book of lies, the Quran, with all its 
>contradictions. It is definitely not a direct transcription of the Holy 
>Book. Some suras were eaten by Mohammad’s pets. If you glorify Mohammed so 
>much, why don’t you all f**k camels like he did? Or aren’t you doing that 
>already?
>
>The defendant sat in the courtroom wearing a shirt with “Austria” written in 
>large letters. He held a German-language copy of the Quran in his hands and 
>quoted from it.
>
>“I am not a Nazi,” he said. “I am a patriot.”
>
>Incitement could not be proven. [Until the next time — ESW]
>
>This is additional evidence — as if we needed it — that free speech does not 
>exist in Austria, and that the country is rapidly being officially and 
>legally Islamized.
>
>The information the man cited can be sourced directly from the Koran. It 
>doesn’t belittle religious teachings. It is the religious teachings.
>
>It appears, however, that in Austria, just as in the UK, the truth is no 
>longer a valid defense.
>
>So now it’s official: Islam is “belittled” by accurate reporting on its core 
>doctrines as laid out explicitly in the Koran.
>
>The imams can stand up in the mosques on Fridays and declaim the same 
>information, and it’s no problem. But don’t you dare to do it, or you may 
>find yourself at the tender mercies of Austrian “justice”.


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:58:48 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>£1.5m national programme will train a teacher from every secondary school in 
>England
>
>Hundreds of schools across the country are to become specialist centres of 
>Holocaust education under a national scheme launched today.
>
>The plan, which will be rolled out in 300 schools, forms part of the new 
>£1.5 million Holocaust education programme run by London University's 
>Institute of Education.
>
>As The TES revealed in November, the Holocaust Education Development 
>Programme will provide extensive specialist training for 3,500 teachers - 
>one from every secondary in England.
>
>The first cohort of 150 will attend a one-day workshop in London at the 
>beginning of November and a second workshop three weeks later. This will be 
>followed by similar sessions in Liverpool. The training will then be 
>introduced across the country over the next two years.
>
>From these teachers, 300 will be able to follow up their training with a 
>masters degree module in Holocaust education. Their schools will then become 
>designated beacons of excellence in the subject.

Like religion, this is a non-subject that really has no place in an
academic institution, especially if the institution is supposedly
educational in nature rather than designed to indoctrinate people in
some belief or another.

>
>The masters module, which will be delivered online, will be free to 
>participating teachers. The cost will be covered jointly by the Pears 
>Foundation and the Department for Children, Schools and Families.
>
>Stuart Foster, director of the programme, said: "Professional development 
>can be quite short-lived. We want it to be a continuous process rather than 
>people going away and forgetting about it."
>
>The specialist teachers will co-ordinate Holocaust education in their 
>schools. Often, the subject is discussed during history, English, RE and 
>citizenship, but with little collaboration between staff.
>
>"Are those teachers working together?" Dr Foster said. "Is there a sense of 
>collaboration in schools? Often, planning is a little bit arbitrary. We want 
>schools to think about how they organise their curriculum."
>
>The Holocaust specialists will also pilot new teaching materials and provide 
>feedback and suggestions for improvement.
>
>Eventually, they will work with local authorities, bringing co-ordinated 
>Holocaust education into all local schools.
>
>They will also liaise with teachers across the country as part of an online 
>network supporting the national training programme.
>
>Paul Salmons, the programme's head of curriculum and development, said: "One 
>of the greatest assets of the programme will be this pool of teachers with 
>classroom expertise, ideas and knowledge. They will really immerse 
>themselves in cutting-edge research into Holocaust history and education."
>
>At present the Holocaust forms a compulsory part of the national curriculum, 
>but teachers often find it a difficult subject to teach effectively.
>
>"You're talking about mass murder - some of the worst atrocities humans are 
>capable of," Mr Salmons said. "That can be very disorientating and 
>distressing for young people. We're looking at how to move them, without 
>traumatising them.
>
>"Teachers want to encourage deep reflection about the Holocaust, but not 
>revulsion, horror and disgust. The key is to enhance learning, not to 
> shock."
>
>Judith Vandervelde, an educator at the Jewish Museum in London, agrees that 
>there is an urgent need for effective methods of teaching about the 
>Holocaust in schools.
>
>"The understanding that pupils get through face-to-face interaction with 
>Holocaust survivors is quite incredible," she said. "But they're not going 
>to be here for ever.
>
>"We have to look into how we're going to continue to have that connection 
>without survivors speaking to pupils. We need to look ahead a few years and 
>make Holocaust education tangible and accessible."
>__________________
>http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6017262 


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:59:16 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu used the Nazi term 'Judenrein' in a recent 
>meeting with the German foreign minister to condemn the Palestinian demand 
>that West Bank settlements be removed, a confidant of the premier has said.
>
>"Judea and Samaria cannot be Judenrein," the confidant quoted the prime 
>minister as telling Frank-Walter Steinmeier earlier this week.
>
>Asked how Germany's top diplomat responded to hearing the term used by the 
>Nazis to refer to areas "cleansed of Jews", the confidant said, "What could 
>he do? He basically just nodded."
>
>
>
>According to the confidant, Netanyahu had encouraged cabinet colleagues to 
>deploy the term in their defense of the settlements and of Israel's 
>insistence that Palestinians recognize it as a Jewish state.
>
>Israel is facing unprecedented U.S. pressure to dismantle settlements to 
>make way for a Palestinian state in the West Bank, an area also known to 
>Jews as Judea and Samaria.

Well, what was known recently as Czechoslovakia was known for
centuries before as Böhmen und Mähren, but that and $1 buys you coffee
at a cheap restaurant in Toronto.

Three-thousand-year-old land claims are a very bad joke.

>
>Briefing foreign reporters last week, Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor 
>urged them to ask whether "Palestinians would accept that Jews will live 
>among them, or whether it is going to be totally not allowed".
>
>"'Judenrein' is the term that was once used in other countries," Meridor 
>said, in remarks echoed the next day by another Likud minister who briefed 
>journalists and diplomats.
>
>But some Israeli officials, including former ambassador to Washington Zalman 
>Shoval, have expressed misgivings about using the term.
>
>"I don't like to transfer the trappings of Nazis to others, even if they are 
>our enemies," Shoval said.
>
>What was being branded as the Palestinians' bigotry, he said, could also be 
>prudence about steps that might pre-judge disputes such as those over 
>Palestinian refugees from Israel.


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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:02 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 10, 4:36 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 9, 4:17 pm, Divided by Diversity  ??? 
>> >wrote:
>> >> "You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that
>> >> we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White
>> >> House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president
>> >> can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable.
>> >> What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control
>> >> the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America.
>> >> In America you can criticize God, but you can't criticize Israel." -
>> >> Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menachehttp://www.daily.pk/world/americas/9334-israeli-spokesman-says-we-con...
>>
>> >> Who's writing your newspaper and reporting your news? Who is making
>> >> your movies and presenting your current affairs shows? Who are your
>> >> politicians and who is paying them? Why is the West busy fighting
>> >> Israel's regional enemies and the West's citizens busy bailing out
>> >> Jewish bankers? How can the richest nations in the world be jobless
>> >> and homeless?
>>
>> >> While this list may never be complete, it will cover most of the
>> >> Jewish names one is likely to encounter in everyday Western life.
>> >> Unlike many gentile names, there is such a thing as a 'Jewish name.'
>> >> Many Jewish persons can be recognized as being Jewish by their surname
>> >> [last name], although not always--some Jews are adopted, or their
>> >> forebears changed the family surname, or their surname simply does not
>> >> appear Jewish.
>>
>> >> Here are the most common Jewish names likely to be encountered:
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-berg" (Goldberg, Weinberg, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-man" (Goldman, Lightman, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-stein" (Einstein, Perlstein, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names that sound "precious" (Gold, Silver, Diamond, Ruby (Rubenstein)
>> >> etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-ler" (Adler, Midler, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-ner" (Asner, Lardner, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-lin" (Gitlin, Sheindlin, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-band" (Miliband, Goldband, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-witz" (Horowitz, Rabinowitz, etc.) or "-
>> >> itz" (Kravitz, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-baum" (Teitelbaum, Metzenbaum, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-off" (Chartoff, Berkhoff, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-nik" (Resnik, Mitnik, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-thal" (Blumenthal, Rosenthal, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-ling" (Spelling, Sperling, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-sky" (Barshefsky, Linsky, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-farb" (Himmelfarb, Goldfarb, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-feld" (Seinfeld, Rosenfeld, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Names ending in "-stone" (Wellstone, Firestone, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Some, but certainly not all, names ending in "-son" (Abelson,
>> >> Josephson, etc.)
>>
>> >> -Surnames that sound "Biblical," e.g., David, Joseph, Abram or
>> >> Abraham, Moses, Benjamin, Isaac, etc.
>>
>> >> Some other common Jewish names:
>>
>> >> -Miller
>> >> -Davis
>> >> -Ross
>> >> -Lewis
>> >> -Roth
>> >> -Morris
>> >> -Davidson
>> >> -Green
>> >> -Wolf
>> >> -Newman
>> >> -Gross
>> >> -Harris
>> >> -Sherman
>> >> -Myers
>> >> -Mayer
>> >> -Jacobs
>> >> -Aaron
>> >> -Michael
>> >> -Hirsch
>> >> -Raphael
>> >> -Tobias
>> >> -Levy
>> >> -Brand
>> >> -Cohen
>> >> -Kaplan
>> >> -Weiss
>> >> -Nathan
>> >> -Leo
>> >> -Levine
>> >> -Simon
>> >> -Levin
>> >> -Samuel
>> >> -Falk
>> >> -Wise
>> >> -Gottfried
>> >> -Gottlieb
>> >> -Mann
>> >> -Mathis
>> >> -May
>> >> -Mars
>> >> -Marx
>> >> -Marks
>> >> -Saul
>> >> -Gould
>> >> -Fink
>> >> -Loeb
>> >> -Loew
>> >> -Rubin
>> >> -Stern
>> >> -Shapiro
>> >> -Klein
>> >> -Cohn
>> >> -Singer
>> >> -Frank
>> >> -Schwartz
>> >> -Rich
>> >> -Kahn
>> >> -Kramer
>>
>> >>http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-americawww.iamthewitness.comwww.judic...
>>
>> >I think that Genesis; the garden of Eden referred to another planet.
>> >Adam and Eve were tossed out.  Time passes.  Noah comes along and a
>> >flood happens?  These people were so tech advanced that Noah built a
>> >spaceship carrying DNA of animals.
>>
>> Noah paid a special visit to the Galapagos Islands to deposit some
>> animals there that exist nowhere else, and he also paid special visits
>> to Australia, New Zealand and North America to deposit plants and
>> animals that are unique to those areas.
>>
>> Frankly, the existence of unicorns seems more probable than the Noah
>> stuff.
>>
>Unicorns exist.  The coat of arms of my folk's village in Hungary has
>two unicorns on it with an arrow through their chest.
>The evidence is overwhelming:

LOL

Well, that is at least as solid as your typical mcvey "evidence".

>http://event13.blogspot.com/


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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:10:48 -0700 (PDT), mirjam 
wrote:

>>
>> That is indeed the official position, but reality looks rather
>> different. Using Canada as a reference, Israel falls dramatically
>> short of having religious freedom for non-Jews. There is no place in
>> the modern world for a state that enshrines the religious
>> superstitions of one particular group to the detriment of others. I'm
>> not picking on Judaism here, although I do regard it as nonsense,
>> along with the two other Abrahamic religions of Christianity and
>> Islam. The whole concept of murdering people because their
>> superstitions are different than yours is rather abhorent to me.
>>
>So how do you explain this ?

There is a lot more to religious freedom than a few monuments here or
there. The fact remains that Jews have special privileges in land
ownership and numerous other areas and that basically disqualifies
Israel as a place that has religious freedom.

>
>
>Haifa's most striking landmark is the splendid Baha'i Shrine and
>Gardens, located on the edge of the city center. The immaculate Baha'i
>gardens, with their stone peacocks and and delicately manicured
>cypress trees, are a restful, aesthetic memorial to the founders of
>the Baha'i Faith. Pilgrims come to Haifa from all parts of the world
>to pay homage to the first leaders of their religion, which emphasizes
>unity across cultures and religions.
>
>History
>Haifa is the international headquarters for the gentle Baha'i Faith,
>which began amidst persecution in Persia in the mid-19th century.
>
>Baha'is believe in the unity of all religions and believe that
>messengers of God like Moses, Jesus and Muhammad have been sent at
>different times in history with doctrines varying to fit changing
>social needs, but bringing substantially the same message.
>
>The most recent of these heavenly teachers, according to Baha'is, was
>Baha' Allah (1817-92). He was exiled by the Turkish authorities to
>Acre (Akko), wrote his doctrines there, and died a peaceful death in
>Bahji House just north of Acre.
>
>During one of His visits to Haifa in 1890, Baha'u'llah pointed out to
>his son the spot on Mount Carmel where the remains of the Bab, herald
>of the Baha'i faith, should be laid to rest in a befitting tomb.
>
>The Bab's remains were hidden for years after he died a martyr's death
>in front of a firing squad. Eventually, his followers secretly carried
>his remains to the Holy Land.
>
>What to See
>In the Haifa gardens, the huge domed Shrine of the Bab entombs Baha'
>Allah's herald. The tomb is a spectacular sight, with ornamental gold
>work and flowers in almost every nook and cranny.
>
>A visual symbol of the Baha'i emphasis on worldwide religious unity,
>the shrine is a blend of western and eastern styles. The granite
>columns recall classic Roman architecture, the Corinthian capitals are
>reminiscent of ancient Greece, and the arches add the flavor of the
>Orient.
>
>On a higher hilltop stands the Corinthian-style Baha'i International
>Archives building, modeled after the Parthenon, and the Baha'i
>Universal House of Justice, with 58 marble columns and hanging
>gardens. These administrative buildings are not open to tourists.
>
>All the Baha'i buildings face toward Acre, the burial place of
>Baha'u'llah.
>
>The beautiful gardens were originally planned by Shoghi Effendi, the
>late Guardian of the Faith, and they have recently undergone a massive
>redesign aimed at putting them on the world's horticultural map.
>
>The Baha'i gardens are now a geometric cascade of hanging gardens and
>terraces down to Ben Gurion Boulevard -a gift of visual pleasure to
>the city that gave the Baha'i religion its home and headquarters.
>
>At the entrance to the shrine, where shoes must be removed, visitors
>are given a pamphlet providing further details on Baha'i history and
>doctrine.
>
>Quick Facts
>Names: Baha'i Terraces; Shrine of the Bab; Baha'i Shrine and Gardens
>Location: Hadar, Haifa, Israel
>Bus: 22 from the port, 23, 25, and 26 from Hadar
>Website: http://terraces.bahai.org/
>Hours: Shrine daily 9am-noon; gardens daily 9am-5pm
>Cost: Free
>Tip: Modest dress required
>
>Article Sources
>Frommer's Online-Only Guides: Haifa
>Eyewitness Travel Guide to Jerusalem & the Holy Land
>Baha'i Shrine and Gardens on Mount Carmel – Tour Haifa
>More Information
>The Terraces of the Shrine of the Bab - official website
>Baha'i Faith - ReligionFacts
>Location Map
>Below is a location map and aerial view of the Bahai Shrine and
>Gardens. Using the buttons on the left, zoom in for a closer look or
>zoom out to get your bearings. Click and drag the map to move around.
>For a larger view, see our Haifa Map or get our free Google Earth
>download.
>
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:08:49 +0200, ANDREAS GUMTOW 
wrote:

>Am Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:47 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>Am Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:47 GMT lallerte Truthseeker:
>
>> Welche Gesetze ?. meinst du diese welchen den deutschen aufgezwungen werden 
>
>Welche aktuellen Gesetze werden den Deutschen aufgezwungen?
>Du musst schon konkreter werden! (Kannst du ja nicht weil du keine Ahnung
>hast)
>> wir sind nicht im Mittelalter sondern im Jahre 2009. Euere Gesetze haben 
>Wer ist wir? UNd Mittelalter ? neee damit kannst du nicht Deutschland
>meinen.
>
>> nicht mit Redefreiheit zu tun denn ihr bestimmt für die deutschen was sie zu 
>Redefreiheit ist in Deutschland garantiert !

Die Garantie ist aber offensichtlich wertlos.


>> glauben haben. Ehrlich sein kennt ihr nicht.
>Also "Ehrlich" Knolli !  DU HAST KEINE AHNUNG!
>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> "ANDREAS GUMTOW"  wrote in message 
>> news:29gdnk9kb419$.1njl8em640cfl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> Am Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:47:38 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>>>
>>>> Wirklich ich bin 76 und kenne euch nur durch Euerere ewige Hetzerei.
>>> Du wirkst älter!
>>>
>>>> Vergesse bitte nicht wer euch kritisiert kann ja ins Gefängnis gehen. Die
>>> Häää!  Du kommst ins Gefängnis wenn du dich nicht an unsere Gesetze hälst.
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>> deutschen bestimmen nicht ihre Zukunft denn dieses bestimmt ja ihr. Für 
>>>> mich
>>>> bist du ein Symbol der Falschheit
>>>
>>> Knolli, du hast überhaupt keinen Schimmer was in Deutschland los ist.
>>> Der Sinn des Begriffes "Falschheit" ist dir auch nicht bekannt.
>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>> (Ahnungsloser würde besser passen)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Freundliche Grüße
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andreas Gumtow (Jung und knackig)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> DEMOKRATIE,TOLERANZ UND UNSERE VERFASSUNG HABEN DEUTSCHLAND
>>> SEIT JAHRZEHNTEN WOHLSTAND UND FRIEDEN BESCHERT!!
>>>
>>>
>>> RECHTSRADIKALE  WOLLEN DAS ÄNDERN !!!!


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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:34:03 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:1p1f55pmm8rjjek2kqooo88adfv5p56c44@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:01:49 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:os97559s7cldi8an5c679u74ip8pe2s68f@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing saintly about Americans or any other allied forces.
>>>>
>>>Indeed there is not. To attac to the east is still wrong and to kill and 
>>>all
>>>those people especially selecting some by their ethnity or by their
>>>political view is horribly wrong.
>>
>> So babble at the Brits. That sort of thing has been their specialty
>> for centuries.
>>
>>>The nazis attacked the Soviet Union,
>>
>> That is debatable. It is quite probable that the USSR was preparing an
>> attack against Germany, and the German forces merely pre-empted them.
>>
>>>Poland,
>>
>> Poland was no innocent victim, and was quite instrumental in getting
>> the whole war going.
>>
>> France,
>>
>> France declared war on Germany and there was no German response for
>> almost a year. What exactly is your complaint?
>>
>>> Belgium, Holland,
>>
>> Given the reality of British terror bombing, it was necessary to
>> control the coast to obtain early warning of their murderous efforts.
>>
>>> Denmark,
>>
>> Denmark was not invaded. The government was temporarily set aside by a
>> German governor. Clearly, Denmark would be a potential invasion route
>> if it were not secured by German forces.
>>
>>> Norway,
>>
>> A British naval force was en route to violate Norway's neutrality, so
>> the only thing of which one can accuse the Germans is that they got
>> there a few hours earlier to secure the iron ore railway from Sweden
>> that emerges at Narvik.
>>
>>> The Baltic States and many other states.
>>
>> If you're at war with the USSR, then you really cannot leave the
>> Baltic coast under Russian control. It is suicidal if you leave it
>> under Soviet control. Besides, the three Baltic states would still be
>> Russian provinces were it not for German military efforts in WW1.
>>
>>>Germany was a pirate state
>>
>> You're confusing it with Britain and the USA.
>>
>>> and GB and the USA was to release them from horrific totaliatism.
>>
>> For decades, Britain held the world record for the number of wars, but
>> Britain has recently been eclipsed by its former colony which has been
>> at war against somebody or another ever single year of its existence.
>> Your "heroes" have clay feet.
>>
>>> The biggest factor in defeating the nazi forces were the Red Army troops.
>>
>> That isn't exactly surprising, given that the USSR had more than three
>> times the population of Germany. Germany's only chance of surviving a
>> Soviet invasion was to try a pre-emptive strike. It almost succeeded,
>> but even proficient campaigners have a limit to the number of enemies
>> they can accommodate.
>
>After the electricity was cut the people of Kiev went to poverty. Later on 
>the power was resecved to public trams permitted onlly to Germans.

That sounds highly improbable. You could likely count the number of
Germans living in Kiev on the fingers of one hand.

> On 
>Hitlers  birtday in spring of 1942 German childldren were driving their 
>trams to their nursing home and spitting on the queuing Ukrainan children 
>and elderly people to get the 500g of wheat promised to them because of 
>Fuhrers bithday. Most of them got nothing but spit.

German children in Kiev? What the fuck have you been drinking?

>
>Topi 
>


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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:18:34 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jul 11, 12:34 pm, "Toivo Kottarainen" 
>wrote:
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>> viestissä:1p1f55pmm8rjjek2kqooo88adfv5p56...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:01:49 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>> >>viestissä:os97559s7cldi8an5c679u74ip8pe2s...@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>> >>>  wrote:
>>
>> >>> There is nothing saintly about Americans or any other allied forces.
>>
>> >>Indeed there is not. To attac to the east is still wrong and to kill and
>> >>all
>> >>those people especially selecting some by their ethnity or by their
>> >>political view is horribly wrong.
>>
>> > So babble at the Brits. That sort of thing has been their specialty
>> > for centuries.
>>
>> >>The nazis attacked the Soviet Union,
>>
>> > That is debatable. It is quite probable that the USSR was preparing an
>> > attack against Germany, and the German forces merely pre-empted them.
>>
>> >>Poland,
>>
>> > Poland was no innocent victim, and was quite instrumental in getting
>> > the whole war going.
>>
>> > France,
>>
>> > France declared war on Germany and there was no German response for
>> > almost a year. What exactly is your complaint?
>>
>> >> Belgium, Holland,
>>
>> > Given the reality of British terror bombing, it was necessary to
>> > control the coast to obtain early warning of their murderous efforts.
>>
>> >> Denmark,
>>
>> > Denmark was not invaded. The government was temporarily set aside by a
>> > German governor. Clearly, Denmark would be a potential invasion route
>> > if it were not secured by German forces.
>>
>> >> Norway,
>>
>> > A British naval force was en route to violate Norway's neutrality, so
>> > the only thing of which one can accuse the Germans is that they got
>> > there a few hours earlier to secure the iron ore railway from Sweden
>> > that emerges at Narvik.
>>
>> >> The Baltic States and many other states.
>>
>> > If you're at war with the USSR, then you really cannot leave the
>> > Baltic coast under Russian control. It is suicidal if you leave it
>> > under Soviet control. Besides, the three Baltic states would still be
>> > Russian provinces were it not for German military efforts in WW1.
>>
>> >>Germany was a pirate state
>>
>> > You're confusing it with Britain and the USA.
>>
>> >> and GB and the USA was to release them from horrific totaliatism.
>>
>> > For decades, Britain held the world record for the number of wars, but
>> > Britain has recently been eclipsed by its former colony which has been
>> > at war against somebody or another ever single year of its existence.
>> > Your "heroes" have clay feet.
>>
>> >> The biggest factor in defeating the nazi forces were the Red Army troops.
>>
>> > That isn't exactly surprising, given that the USSR had more than three
>> > times the population of Germany. Germany's only chance of surviving a
>> > Soviet invasion was to try a pre-emptive strike. It almost succeeded,
>> > but even proficient campaigners have a limit to the number of enemies
>> > they can accommodate.
>>
>> After the electricity was cut the people of Kiev went to poverty. Later on
>> the power was resecved to public trams permitted onlly to Germans. On
>> Hitlers  birtday in spring of 1942 German childldren were driving their
>> trams to their nursing home and spitting on the queuing Ukrainan children
>> and elderly people to get the 500g of wheat promised to them because of
>> Fuhrers bithday. Most of them got nothing but spit.
>>
>> Topi
>
>Kids driving trams?  Weren't they licensed?  Where do you get your
>stuff?
>Well whatever; it's better than being a Kraut when the Soviets walked
>into your life.  Even though your tale has the ring of fiction.

It is fiction. There has never been a significant community of German
people in Kiev.



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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:38:58 -0700 (PDT), mirjam 
wrote:

>Mr Johannes >
>> There is a lot more to religious freedom than a few monuments here or
>> there. The fact remains that Jews have special privileges in land
>> ownership and numerous other areas and that basically disqualifies
>> Israel as a place that has religious freedom.
>>
>And the  fact that Christian orders have grabbed many nice spots , and
>built their churches , monastries , etc there , aren`t paying taxes to
>the monucipalities in whose borders.  The only privilage of our City
>hall is to give Municipal servivces, to those places ,,,,
>mirjam

Churches, Synagogues, and other such places don't pay taxes in Canada
either, although I figure that they should. Why should the community
at large subsidize the superstitions of the clueless and ignorant?


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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:27 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>http://einhornpress.com/evidence.aspx
>
>{
> The Unicorn is often thought of as an imaginary[i] animal, but the
>evidence indicates otherwise.   Amie’s Universal Encyclopedia
>maintains that “according to an examination of accounts given of the
>Unicorn in ancient and modern times, the opinion of its fabulous
>character, which has prevailed since the time of Buffon,[ii] does not
>seem to rest on a foundation absolutely certain.
>
>The Roman encyclopedist Pliny the Elder described the Unicorn of his
>day as “an exceedingly fierce animal, resembling a horse.”[iii]
>However, among harder ancient evidence for the existence of the
>Unicorn are the figures of unicorns, in various attitudes, according
>to Niebuhr,[iv] among the ancient ruins of the Persian kings’ palace
>at Persepolis.  Sir R. K. Porter,[v] whose illustration of the Persian
>Unicorn is reproduced below, believed it to be the representation of a
>bull with a single horn.
>
>Apparently, Pliny’s variety of Unicorn was still around in more modern
>times.   According to the 1832 revised edition of Calmet’s Dictionary
>of the Holy Bible, its editor, Edward Robinson, pointed that
>In 1530, Ludovica de Bartema, a Roman patrician, traveled to Egypt,
>Arabia and India; and having assumed the character of a Mussulman, he
>was able to visit Mecca with the Hadj, or great caravan of pilgrims.
>In his account of the curiosities of this city,[vi] he says:  “On the
>other side of the Caaba is a walled court, in which we saw two
>unicorns, which were pointed out to us as a rarity; and they are
>indeed truly remarkable.  The larger of the two is built like a three-
>year-old colt, and has a horn upon the forehead about three ells[vii]
>long.—This animal has the color of a yellowish-brown horse, a head
>like a stag, a neck very long, with a thin mane; the legs are small
>and slender, like those of a hind or roe; the hoofs of goat.  These
>two animals were sent to the sultan of Mecca, as a rarity of great
>value, and very seldom found, by a king of Ethiopia, who wished to
>secure, by this present, the good will of the sultan of Mecca.”
>
>Don Juan Gabriel, a Portuguese colonel, who lived several years in
>Abyssinia, assures us, that in the region of Agamos in the Abyssinian
>province of Damota, he had seen an animal of the form and size of a
>middle-sized horse, of a dark chestnut color, and with a whitish horn
>about five spans[viii] long upon the forehead; the mane and tail were
>black, and the legs short and slender.  Several other Portuguese, who
>were placed in confinement upon a high mountain in the district Namna,
>by the Abyssinian king Adamas Saghedo, related that they had seen, at
>the foot of the mountain, several unicorns feeding.[ix]
>
>These accounts are confirmed by father Lobo, who lived for a long time
>as a missionary in Abyssinia.  He adds, that the unicorn is extremely
>shy, and escapes from closer observation by a speedy flight into the
>forests, for which reason there is no exact description of him.[x]
>
>[i] American politics probably generated a lot of the Unicorn’s
>imaginary character.  A magnificent Unicorn stood beside the Lion on
>the British Royal Arms, a symbol of British authority over American
>colonists, when its subjects had revolution in mind.  Questioning the
>existence of the Unicorn conveniently challenged a powerful symbol of
>authority—the British Crown.
>Carsten Niebuhr was a renowned eighteenth-century German traveler and
>explorer who visited Arabia, Palestine, Syria, Persia, and Asia
>Minor.

Unicorns have some of the same attributes as gassed Jews in that
nobody has ever found one.


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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:12:57 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Sounds like a book Kenneth. Did you really write it.
>kk
>
>"Ken McVay"  wrote in message 
>news:cqednbE8UtZx_cTXnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@vex.net...
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> 1941
>>
>> Troops from Police Battalions 316 and 322
>> participate in the execution of Jews in Bialystok. An
>> estimated 3000 were later estimated (by German courts) to
>> have been shot and killed. (Browning, 14)

In the gospel according to kenny, such executions were official German
policy, so why would any of this be processed by a German court?

>>
>> 1944
>>
>> The chief secretary's office of the Government of Palestine

According to modern Israelis, there never was a jurisdiction called
Palestine, nor were there any Palestinians, so how does one get a
"Government of Palestine"?

>> sends a letter, stamped "Secret," to David Ben-Gurion. The
>> letter outlined what the Allies knew of the Nazi
>> extermination program, noting that half of Hungary's 800,000
>> Jews had been deported to Birkenau, and that 1.5 million
>> European Jews had already been killed. (LeBor, 7)

Churchill wrote a huge memoir of WW2 and doesn't even mention the
"Holocaust". The same goes for Montgomery, Eisenhower, and DeGaulle.
Either they didn't think it very important or the story wasn't as well
developed as it became during the postwar decades.

>>
>>                         Work Cited
>>
>> LeBor, Adam. Hitler's Secret Bankers: The Myth of Swiss
>> Neutrality During the Holocaust. Secaucus, N.J.: Carol
>> Publishing Group, 1997.
>>
>> Browning, Christopher R. Ordinary Men: Reserve Police
>> Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland. New York:
>> HarperCollins, 1992
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:38:05 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:lt9j551qqumsfcftbp7bfjmrr4vu1tivtq@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:34:03 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:1p1f55pmm8rjjek2kqooo88adfv5p56c44@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:01:49 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>>>viestissä:os97559s7cldi8an5c679u74ip8pe2s68f@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>>> On
>>>Hitlers  birtday in spring of 1942 German childldren were driving their
>>>trams to their nursing home and spitting on the queuing Ukrainan children
>>>and elderly people to get the 500g of wheat promised to them because of
>>>Fuhrers bithday. Most of them got nothing but spit.
>>
>> German children in Kiev? What the fuck have you been drinking?
>>
>>>
>>>Topi
>>>
>
>Many German civil servants and officers brought their families there during 
>the occupation. 
>
You're still dealing with only a handful of people and it would be in
their self-interest not to antagonize the locals. It is the British
who liked to treat the people under their administration like so much
vermin.


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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:53:38 +0200, ANDREAS GUMTOW 
wrote:

>Am Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:50:38 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>
>> Stelle dich nich so doff an Denn du weist genau bescheid das deutsche welche 
>> dein holocaust kritisieren strafbar machen euere gesetz geber weden dass 
>> machen was ihr ihnen bestimmt.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>> 
>> "ANDREAS GUMTOW"  wrote in message 
>> news:ua3zwacdwzz9$.8s7k9wh5l56q$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> Am Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:43:26 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>>>
>>>> Welche Gesetze ?. meinst du diese welchen den deutschen aufgezwungen 
>>>> werden
>>>> wir sind nicht im Mittelalter sondern im Jahre 2009. Euere Gesetze haben
>>>> nicht mit Redefreiheit zu tun denn ihr bestimmt für die deutschen was sie 
>>>> zu
>>>> glauben haben. Ehrlich sein kennt ihr nicht.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> Du hast dich hier selbst entpuppt. wer anderen seine antworten verkürzt 
>>>> oder
>>>> ändert hat keinen Charakter.. Denn du bist eine copy von kenneth McVay 
>>>> und
>>>> seine Kopien in alt.revisionism. Wer von Erpressungen wie ihr lebt hat 
>>>> keine
>>>> Vertrauenswürdigkeit.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> "ANDREAS GUMTOW"  wrote in message
>>>> news:kzs72nxxzjlu$.7hfvvf5iysmk$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>> Am Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:47 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>>>>> Am Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:47 GMT lallerte Truthseeker:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Welche Gesetze ?. meinst du diese welchen den deutschen aufgezwungen
>>>>>> werden
>>>>>
>>>>> Welche aktuellen Gesetze werden den Deutschen aufgezwungen?
>>>>> Du musst schon konkreter werden! (Kannst du ja nicht weil du keine 
>>>>> Ahnung
>>>>> hast)
>>>>>> wir sind nicht im Mittelalter sondern im Jahre 2009. Euere Gesetze 
>>>>>> haben
>>>>> Wer ist wir? UNd Mittelalter ? neee damit kannst du nicht Deutschland
>>>>> meinen.
>>>>>
>>>>>> nicht mit Redefreiheit zu tun denn ihr bestimmt für die deutschen was 
>>>>>> sie
>>>>>> zu
>>>>> Redefreiheit ist in Deutschland garantiert !
>>>>>> glauben haben. Ehrlich sein kennt ihr nicht.
>>>>> Also "Ehrlich" Knolli !  DU HAST KEINE AHNUNG!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ANDREAS GUMTOW"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:29gdnk9kb419$.1njl8em640cfl$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>> Am Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:47:38 GMT schrieb Truthseeker:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wirklich ich bin 76 und kenne euch nur durch Euerere ewige Hetzerei.
>>>>>>> Du wirkst älter!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vergesse bitte nicht wer euch kritisiert kann ja ins Gefängnis gehen.
>>>>>>>> Die
>>>>>>> Häää!  Du kommst ins Gefängnis wenn du dich nicht an unsere Gesetze
>>>>>>> hälst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> deutschen bestimmen nicht ihre Zukunft denn dieses bestimmt ja ihr. 
>>>>>>>> Für
>>>>>>>> mich
>>>>>>>> bist du ein Symbol der Falschheit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knolli, du hast überhaupt keinen Schimmer was in Deutschland los ist.
>>>>>>> Der Sinn des Begriffes "Falschheit" ist dir auch nicht bekannt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>> (Ahnungsloser würde besser passen)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Freundliche Grüße
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andreas Gumtow (Jung und knackig)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DEMOKRATIE,TOLERANZ UND UNSERE VERFASSUNG HABEN DEUTSCHLAND
>>>>>>> SEIT JAHRZEHNTEN WOHLSTAND UND FRIEDEN BESCHERT!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RECHTSRADIKALE  WOLLEN DAS ÄNDERN !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> *******************************************************************************************************************
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ich bin für ein NPD-Verbot, weil intelligentes Leben und Nazis einfach
>>>>> nicht zusammen passen!"
>>>>>
>>>>> *******************************************************************************************************************
>>>
>>> Jaaa das hast du jetzt zu GENÜGE wiederholt!
>>> Aber jetzt MUSST du konkret werden !!
>>>
>>> WELCHE GESETZE WERDEN ZU ZEIT DEN DEUTSCHEN AUFGEZWUNGEN?
>>>
>>> Jetzt mal Butter bei die Fische .... oder kannst du nur heisse Luft
>>> bubbern?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Freundliche Grüße
>>>
>>>
>>> Andreas Gumtow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> *******************************************************************************************************************
>>>
>>> "Ich bin für ein NPD-Verbot, weil intelligentes Leben und Nazis einfach
>>> nicht zusammen passen!"
>>>
>>> *******************************************************************************************************************
>
>Du faselst wieder nur HEISSE LUFT!
>
>Werde doch mal konkret und zähle doch mal die Gesetze auf die uns zur Zeit 
>von "fremden Mächten LOL" aufgezwungen werden.

Sie träumen! Merkel besorgt sich Erlaubnis aus Washington bevor sie
scheißt. Deutsche sterben in Afghanistan als Lakaien der Americaner,
und Sie faseln über ein angeblich selbstständiges Deutschland.
Deutschland ist eine Provinz des amerikanischen Weltreiches und die
sogenannte "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" hat nie selbständigkeit
besessen.

>
>KNOLLI, DU KANNST DAS NICHT !!!  HHAHAHAHA
>
>
>Freundliche Grüße
>
>Andreas Gumtow


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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:20:32 -0700 (PDT), "TRUECRISTIAN[READ THE BIBLE
VOte republican=Jesus]"  wrote:

>On Jul 10, 6:36 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:26:25 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Interesting reply from you. does it make sense to you only to transport the
>> >Jews for some thousand miles only to gas them to death.
>>
>> That is the whole point. Transporting people thousands of kilometres
>> merely to murder them at the end makes absolutely no sense. The
>> Communists murdered far more people than the Nazis ever did, and they
>> managed to do it without using expensive railway carriages, special
>> cam
>
>
>
>Say aren't you the exact same asshole who always tends to get all hot
>and bothered and throws a tantrum and yell racist and a whole lot of
>other shit when other people start calling you things  like Cochise ,
>the crazy Papoose or ten other things that fit your ethnic
>description ?
>
>
> Aren't you the one who stands precariously on your soap box talking
>about how racist it is when some other person describes the lot of
>Injuns in general as a bunch of redskins who can't hold their liquor ?
>
>
>And look , You haven't even left the 50's yet while referring to a
>situation that ended with the civil rights movement .
>
>
>Let's see , since we are going back in time ,  some of you Injun
>assholes did team up with the French back in the 1800s to do some
>pretty nasty cut-throating and scalping of many innocent people
>yourselves , so what more would I  expect from some jackleg halfbreed
>with a big mouth and a pea sized brain that fell out of your canyon
>sized asshole .
>
>
>GO Ahead , Call me a racist now you silly pig ...

No, "True Christian", you are just a clueless idiot. I am not a native
North American, and I have never claimed to be.

>
>
>


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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:45:02 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"George"  schreef in bericht 
>news:d9ae8f28-71b0-467f-a3ea-36017b4b441c@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 13, 9:56 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>> George wrote:
>> > On Jul 13, 6:23 am, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>> >> You stole the article from 
>> >> here:http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/2577954/NZ-Labour-and-H...
>>
>> >> Sorry, but at this point, it was clear that Hitler wasn't interested in
>> >> talk, or sitting to tea. He'd started his war machine.
>>
>> >> The stance of the NZ government might have been well-intentioned, but 
>> >> so
>> >> were all the other appeasment efforts. They weren't effective in doing
>> >> anything other than surrendering.
>>
>> >> And by the way, the article shows precisely zero evidence of any 
>> >> influence
>> >> the New Zealand government had with Hitler other than a trade 
>> >> agreement,
>> >> which Hitler would have known would fall as soon as war was declared.
>>
>> >> The suggestion in your article's first sentence is pure fantasy.
>>
>> > The nazi has forgotten Chamberlain waving the bit of useless paper
>> > with Hitlers signature on it.
>> > Peace in our time?
>> > What a crock of shit.
>> > Owing to the way time works in the world New Zealand was the first
>> > country to declare war on the nazi regime!
>>
>> What? Even before Poland? I doan theenk so!
>
>I'll go slowly and emphasise the following point.
>Germany INVADED Poland.
>Britain declared war on Germany.
>Because we are the first large ish land mass to see the new day we
>declared war on Germany 12 hours ahead of Britain.
>Do you understand that ?
>
>you are talking bull georgio, france and england were the first to declare 
>war on germany.
>the way you think is not correct 

Poor George is normally confused.


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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:09:07 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 13, 4:45 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> "George"  schreef in berichtnews:d9ae8f28-71b0-467f-a3ea-36017b4b441c@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 13, 9:56 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > George wrote:
>> > > On Jul 13, 6:23 am, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>> > >> You stole the article from
>> > >> here:http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/2577954/NZ-Labour-and-H...
>>
>> > >> Sorry, but at this point, it was clear that Hitler wasn't interested in
>> > >> talk, or sitting to tea. He'd started his war machine.
>>
>> > >> The stance of the NZ government might have been well-intentioned, but
>> > >> so
>> > >> were all the other appeasment efforts. They weren't effective in doing
>> > >> anything other than surrendering.
>>
>> > >> And by the way, the article shows precisely zero evidence of any
>> > >> influence
>> > >> the New Zealand government had with Hitler other than a trade
>> > >> agreement,
>> > >> which Hitler would have known would fall as soon as war was declared.
>>
>> > >> The suggestion in your article's first sentence is pure fantasy.
>>
>> > > The nazi has forgotten Chamberlain waving the bit of useless paper
>> > > with Hitlers signature on it.
>> > > Peace in our time?
>> > > What a crock of shit.
>> > > Owing to the way time works in the world New Zealand was the first
>> > > country to declare war on the nazi regime!
>>
>> > What? Even before Poland? I doan theenk so!
>>
>> I'll go slowly and emphasise the following point.
>> Germany INVADED Poland.
>> Britain declared war on Germany.
>> Because we are the first large ish land mass to see the new day we
>> declared war on Germany 12 hours ahead of Britain.
>> Do you understand that ?
>>
>> you are talking bull georgio, france and england were the first to declare
>> war on germany.
>> the way you think is not correct
>
>New Zealand is +12 hours ahead of GMT. Therefore when New Zealand
>declared war on Germany we were 12 hours ahead of their time of
>declaration.
>
>Of course such basic maths would be too advanced for a nazi but do try
>to catch up....

Poor George is having an episode of Alzheimers again, babbling about
imaginary Nazis. If George were not so pathetic, he would be funny.


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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 13, 9:56 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>> George wrote:
>> > On Jul 13, 6:23 am, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>> >> You stole the article from here:http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/2577954/NZ-Labour-and-H...
>>
>> >> Sorry, but at this point, it was clear that Hitler wasn't interested in
>> >> talk, or sitting to tea.  He'd started his war machine.
>>
>> >> The stance of the NZ government might have been well-intentioned, but so
>> >> were all the other appeasment efforts.   They weren't effective in doing
>> >> anything other than surrendering.
>>
>> >> And by the way, the article shows precisely zero evidence of any influence
>> >> the New Zealand government had with Hitler other than a trade agreement,
>> >> which Hitler would have known would fall as soon as war was declared.
>>
>> >> The suggestion in your article's first sentence is pure fantasy.
>>
>> > The nazi has forgotten Chamberlain waving the bit of useless paper
>> > with Hitlers signature on it.
>> > Peace in our time?
>> > What a crock of shit.
>> > Owing to the way time works in the world New Zealand was the first
>> > country to declare war on the nazi regime!
>>
>> What? Even before Poland? I doan theenk so!
>
>I'll go slowly and emphasise the following point.
>Germany INVADED Poland.

Germany invaded Poland following the general mobilization of the
latter approximately a week earlier.

>Britain declared war on Germany.

Poland was encouraged by Britain to provide the excuse. If not Poland,
then some other excuse would have been found.

>Because we are the first large ish land mass to see the new day we
>declared war on Germany 12 hours ahead of Britain.

Many of the colonials beat Britain to the punch, since most of it had
been planned in advance.

>Do you understand that ?


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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:38:27 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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>> "mirjam"  schreef in bericht 
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>>> Herr Heinrich
>>> Leaflets paid for By Oil Money,
>>> which smear Hateful propaganda , and people like willingly help
>>> them ,
>>> Thank you very much ,,
>>> mirjam
>>
>> free the palestinian people and boycot the cruel state of israel
>
>Fuck off to the Gaza Shite Heine! Be with the people you so
>admire! 
>
Whether the people of Gaza are nice folks or not is irrelevant. Even
if they were as nasty as you claim, which I very much doubt, it still
wouldn't make Israel's actions legitimate.


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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:28:08 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The question now is how much longer have all to believe in this show trial. 

All these political show trials are based on a blizzard of paper of
dubious value. No modern forensic science comes into the picture.


>The holocaust industries need victims to keep their holosaga alive and the 
>extortion money coming in.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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>> John Demjanjuk and a US Judge's Ruling
>>
>>
>> After losing a long legal battle to stay in the US, John Demjanjuk was 
>> deported to Germany on May 12 to stand trial for alleged war crimes. He is 
>> charged with helping to murder 29,000 Jews.
>>
>> In 2002, US District Court Judge Paul R. Matia claimed in his ruling that 
>> Demjanjuk served as a guard at the Sobibor concentration camp, circa March 
>> 27, 1943 to October 1, 1943. In regard to this alleged "extermination 
>> camp," Matia asserted that the guards "assigned to Sobibor met the 
>> arriving transports of Jews, forcibly unloaded the Jews from the trains, 
>> compelled them to disrobe, and drove them into gas chambers where they 
>> were murdered by asphyxiation with carbon monoxide." Matia charged 
>> Demjanjuk with a specific crime: "In serving at Sobibor, Defendant [John 
>> Demjanjuk] contributed to the process by which thousands of Jews were 
>> murdered by asphyxiation with carbon monoxide."1
>>
>> The "Holocaust affirming" Judge further claimed that the "guards assigned 
>> to Sobibor also guarded a small number of Jewish forced laborers kept 
>> alive to maintain the camp, dispose of the corpses, and process the 
>> possessions of those killed."2
>>
>> Further on in his ruling, Matia made this most important statement: "This 
>> [case against John Demjanjuk] is a case of documentary evidence, not 
>> eyewitness testimony. "3
>>
>> What Matia wrote is misleading. The current case about Demjanjuk allegedly 
>> serving at Sobibor is based upon purportedly authentic documents. But what 
>> Matia asserts about Sobibor being an "extermination camp" is based 
>> exclusively upon eyewitness testimony and nothing else.
>>
>> Indeed, Holocaust historian Robert Jan van Pelt conceded the evidence for 
>> the mass killings of Jews at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec-where allegedly 
>> millions were murdered-is very meager. In reference to these three camps, 
>> he wrote: "There are few eyewitnesses, no confession that can compare to 
>> that given by [Auschwitz commandant Rudolf] Höss, no significant remains, 
>> and few archival sources."4
>>
>> The statements by Sobibor historian and former inmate of the camp, Thomas 
>> Toivi Blatt, harmonize with Professor van Pelt, for he admitted: "Sobibor 
>> was the most secretive of the extermination camps, and very little 
>> official documentation survives. Most of what was written in the camp or 
>> by [German officials in the Lublin district of Poland] was destroyed."5
>>
>> Clearly, the only support for the traditional Sobibor extermination story 
>> is the testimony of former inmates and the post war statements of German 
>> officials who were on trial for alleged war crimes. Let's examine this 
>> "evidence."
>>
>> Matia claims that Jews were murdered in gas chambers at Sobibor, and 
>> carbon monoxide was the death-gas. Yet, there are former prisoners who 
>> claimed that chlorine was the death-gas.
>>
>> Sobibor witness Hella Fellenbaum-Weiss told the story of how Jews on their 
>> way to Sobibor were gassed with chlorine. We let her pick up her narrative 
>> here: "The arrival of another convoy distressed me in the same way. It was 
>> thought to come from Lvov, but nobody knows for sure. Prisoners were 
>> sobbing and told us a dreadful tale: they had been gassed on the way with 
>> chlorine, but some survived. The bodies of the dead were green and their 
>> skin peeled off."6
>>
>> The allegation that Jews were gassed on their way to Sobibor with chlorine 
>> has been quietly discarded by the Holocaust promoters-an implicit 
>> admittance that it must be false.
>>
>> In his thorough study of Belzec concentration camp, Belzec in Propaganda, 
>> Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History, Revisionist historian 
>> Carlo Mattogno cited Sobibor inmates who specifically stated that chlorine 
>> was a gas used to asphyxiate Jews at Sobibor.7
>>
>> We give you Zelda Metz in her own words: "They [the alleged 'gas chamber' 
>> victims] entered the wooden building where the woman's hair was cut, and 
>> then the 'Bath', i.e., the gas chamber. They were asphyxiated with 
>> chlorine. After 15 minutes, they had all suffocated. Through a window it 
>> was checked whether they were all dead. Then the floor opened 
>> automatically. The corpses fell into the cars of a train passing through 
>> the gas chamber and taking the corpses to the oven."
>>
>> The mainstream historians of Sobibor have quietly abandoned the "chlorine 
>> death gas" and "trap-door-in-the-gas-chamber" stories-once again, an 
>> implicit admittance that they are both false.
>>
>> Leon Feldhendler also declared chlorine was a "death-gas," although he 
>> also claimed the Germans experimented with other gases.8
>>
>> Alexander Pechersky alleged that some type of "heavy, black substance" was 
>> the death-gas.9
>>
>> Chlorine is a greenish-yellow gas. Stanislaw Szmajzner believed the 
>> Germans used exhaust fumes, but also Zyklon B gas.10
>>
>> Alterations in the story abound.
>>
>> The chlorine gas, Zyklon B gas and "other un-named" gas stories have 
>> clearly been discreetly dumped by the "official history" of the 
>> Holocaust-an implicit admittance that they are false. At this point Judge 
>> Matia should ask himself this question: since the stories of Jews being 
>> gassed with chlorine, Zyklon B and other un-named gases at Sobibor are 
>> false, isn't it also possible that his claim of Jews being asphyxiated 
>> with carbon monoxide is also false?
>>
>> I again call the reader's attention to Matia's precise wording about the 
>> alleged method of murder at Sobibor. He claims the guards "drove them [the 
>> Jews] into gas chambers where they were murdered by asphyxiation with 
>> carbon monoxide." Notice that Matia did not mention the specifics of the 
>> murder weapon. Did the Germans use a diesel engine or a benzene engine to 
>> generate the carbon monoxide?
>>
>> Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg and the statement of SS officer Kurt 
>> Gerstein claimed a diesel engine was used.11
>>
>> Nevertheless, Sobibor expert Yitzhak Arad cites the testimony of the 
>> German soldier Erich Fuchs, who testified that a benzene engine was 
>> used.12
>>
>> These are no minor discrepancies. In any murder investigation the nature 
>> of the murder weapon is of prime importance.
>>
>> Matia did not say if the Germans used a diesel or benzene engine to 
>> generate the carbon monoxide, because if he did, he would have involved 
>> himself in another dilemma that casts serious doubt on the traditional 
>> Sobibor extermination story. And of course, in this short article I will 
>> not even mention all of the contradictions regarding the number, 
>> dimensions and capacity of the Sobibor "gas chambers."13
>>
>> I call attention to Matia's statement about what allegedly happened to the 
>> bodies of the murder victims. He wrote that the guards "assigned to 
>> Sobibor also guarded a small number of Jewish forced laborers kept alive 
>> to maintain the camp, [and] dispose of the corpses."
>>
>> Once again, notice how vague Matia's wording is. He only refers to the 
>> "disposal of corpses." By failing to note that the "official history" 
>> claims that 167, 000 to 250,000 were burned in mass graves, he avoids 
>> entering into all of the problems associated with this allegation. For 
>> example, one Sobibor survivor, Kurt Thomas, claims the bodies were burned 
>> with coal.14
>>
>> Yet, this is conflicts with Sobibor historian Jules Schelvis, who says 
>> that wood was used.15
>>
>> Another, Thomas Toivi Blatt, also says that wood was used, but the funeral 
>> pyres were sometimes doused with kerosene.16
>>
>> Still another, Alexander Pechersky, says the bodies were burned with 
>> gasoline.17
>>
>> The burning of bodies in open mass graves leaves behind bones and teeth. 
>> Sobibor historian Arad realizes this problem, and he cites a Sobibor 
>> "eyewitness" who claimed that the bones were smashed into dust with 
>> hammers!18
>>
>> Imagine that! The bones and teeth of hundreds of thousands of burned 
>> Jewish corpses were manually smashed into dust by Sobibor inmates with 
>> hammers! The forensic evidence was thus destroyed. The highly questionable 
>> nature (to put it mildly) of this allegation should be intuitively obvious 
>> to anyone with an ounce of common sense.
>>
>> The Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland asserted 
>> that 250,000 people were murdered at Sobibor.19
>>
>> Yet, Israeli and Polish archaeologists, who are firm believers in the 
>> Holocaust ideology, admit that it is hard to imagine how this could be so. 
>> In their own words: "The camp was destroyed by the Germans after the 
>> prisoner revolt, so it is very difficult to imagine that the killing of 
>> 250,000 people took place here."20
>>
>> The pre-eminent Holocaust authority, the late Raul Hilberg, engaged in 
>> "Holocaust denial." He denied that 250,000 people were murdered at 
>> Sobibor. He reduced this figure by twenty percent, as he claimed that up 
>> to 200,000 people were murdered at Sobibor.21
>>
>> Sobibor historian Jules Schelvis engaged in an even more serious form of 
>> "Holocaust denial." He even denied that 200,000 people were slaughtered 
>> there! He minimized the number of alleged Sobibor deaths down to 
>> 167,000!22
>>
>> How come they are not on trial for "Holocaust denial?"
>>
>> If a true believer in the orthodox Sobibor "extermination story" like 
>> Judge Matia would make a thorough study of this issue, even he will find 
>> enough evidence to be very skeptical of the "gas chamber" claim. The 
>> contradictions, story changing, falsehoods and improbabilities that I've 
>> enumerated here are exactly what one should expect from a historical 
>> propaganda myth. One wonders if Judge Matia has the courage to publicly 
>> face up to the evidence that undermines what he wrote in his ruling 
>> against John Demjanjuk.
>>
>> The reader should keep this in mind during the future trial of John 
>> Demjanjuk for the crime of "leading Jews to the gas chambers." Indeed, as 
>> I've shown in another of my essays, the promoters of the Holocaust 
>> mythology want to use a show trial to fight the phenomenal growth of 
>> "Holocaust denial." This is precisely the ulterior reason for the further 
>> prosecution of the hapless Demjanjuk.23
>>
>> The testimony of Thomas Blatt: A Witness Against Demjanjuk?
>>
>> After John Demjanjuk was deported to Germany, German television reported 
>> that a survivor of the Sobibor camp could help confirm Demjanjuk's 
>> identity. The witness, 82-year-old Thomas Blatt, is a somewhat well-known 
>> Sobibor survivor who authored a book about his experiences at the camp 
>> during WWII. He described the state of affairs at Sobibor akin to a death 
>> factory.
>>
>> Here is what Blatt told the German magazine, Der Spiegel: ""They abused 
>> us. They shot new arrivals who were old and sick and could not go on. And 
>> there were some who pushed naked people into the gas chambers with 
>> bayonets.Sobibor was a factory. Only a few hours passed between arrival 
>> and the burning of a body."24
>>
>> Blatt provides one with a very obvious reason to be skeptical of his 
>> story. It says on the back cover of his book that Blatt survived a total 
>> of six months at Sobibor.25
>>
>> If what Blatt says is true-that Sobibor was a death factory where people 
>> were murdered and their bodies burned within a few hours of arrival-then 
>> it is logical to infer that Blatt himself should not be around to tell his 
>> story. How did Blatt survive a whole six months in the camp? Blatt makes 
>> it perfectly clear in his memoir that he never worked in the area that 
>> housed the alleged "gas chambers." Since he was never needed for this job, 
>> why would the Germans allow him to survive a half of a year in the camp if 
>> "only a few hours passed between arrival [of Jewish prisoners] and the 
>> burning a body?"
>>
>> By the mere fact that Blatt was allegedly at Sobibor for six months and 
>> was not murdered, is consistent with the Revisionist hypothesis that 
>> Sobibor was not an extermination center for Jews, but rather a transit 
>> camp where Jews were deported further east.
>>
>> But just as importantly, one is led to conclude that his most important 
>> claims about the "gas chambers" are just "hearsay" or word of mouth 
>> gossip. Blatt claims that inmates such as himself were not allowed to see 
>> inside the "top secret" area of Sobibor that contained the "gas chambers." 
>> In his own words: "Prisoners from the other lagers [areas that did not 
>> have "gas chambers"] were never allowed to see the inside of Lager III 
>> [the area of Sobibor that harbored the "top secret gas chambers"]."26
>>
>> His friend who did peek inside the "gas chamber" area was presumably 
>> killed.27
>> This is consistent with the official Sobibor extermination story. 
>> According to the Polish and Israeli archeologists who investigated the 
>> camp, prisoners who survived Sobibor never saw the "gas chambers," because 
>> "seeing it implied instant execution."28
>>
>> Thus, if Blatt would have actually seen "naked people being driven into 
>> the gas chambers," he should have been killed by the Germans--according to 
>> the official story.
>>
>> Elsewhere Blatt says the Nazis made it difficult to collect "any direct 
>> evidence" of the alleged mass exterminations in gas chambers. After the 
>> war, the information about the "gas chambers" allegedly came from inmates 
>> who spoke with other inmates who worked around the gas chambers or from 
>> "limited observations" of the extermination area from a different area of 
>> the camp. The testimony of Ukrainian and German guards filled in the rest 
>> of the story.29
>>
>> Nevertheless, Blatt offers some "detailed knowledge" of the Sobibor "gas 
>> chambers." He says they were "decorated with flowers, a Star of David, and 
>> the inscription 'Bathhouse.'"30
>>
>> How did he get this "information?" Did he actually see the "gas chambers?" 
>> If he did, then how come he was not killed by the Germans, as "seeing" 
>> implied instant execution? Or did he get these "facts" by word of mouth 
>> from other prisoners or from former guards?
>>
>> Nowhere in his 1997 book does Blatt claim he actually saw, with own two 
>> eyes, "naked people being pushed into the gas chambers with bayonets."
>>
>> Finally, another of Blatt's claims is inconsistent with the official lay 
>> out of Sobibor. We let Blatt pick up his story here: "Our job in this 
>> section done, SS Oberscharführer Karl Frenzel randomly chose four 
>> prisoners, myself included, and led us to the hair-cutting barrack, less 
>> than twenty feet from the gas chambers."31
>>
>> Notice what Blatt is saying: the barracks where the hair of the female 
>> victims was cut (before they went to the gas chambers) was less than 
>> twenty feet (6.1 meters) from the gas chambers. Elsewhere he again states 
>> that the special barrack where the women's hair was cut before entering 
>> the gas chambers was "just steps away from the gas chambers."32
>>
>> Yet, Sobibor historian Yitzhak Arad claims the path (the "tube") that led 
>> from the reception area for Jews (Lager II) to the extermination area 
>> (Lager III) was 150 meters long. Arad adds: "Halfway through the 'tube' 
>> was the 'barber shop,' a barrack where the hair of the Jewish women was 
>> cut before they entered the gas chambers."33
>>
>> If the path from Lager II to the gas chambers was 150 meters long, and the 
>> "barber shop" was halfway through the "tube," then the "barber shop" was 
>> 37.5 meters from the gas chambers, not 6.1 meters from the gas chambers. 
>> The "barber shop" was not, as Blatt says, just steps away from the gas 
>> chambers.
>>
>> Does the reader see the dilemma here? If Blatt is correct, in that the 
>> "barber shop" was just steps away (6.1 meters) from the gas chambers, then 
>> Arad's official story that the "barber shop" was 37.5 meters from the "gas 
>> chambers" is false. But if Arad is correct, then this calls into question 
>> the veracity of Blatt's testimony.
>>
>> Once again, inconsistencies like this should make even the most hardcore 
>> believer in the Sobibor extermination story to be very skeptical.
>>
>>
>> Notes
>>
>> 1. See page 27 of Judge Paul R. Matia's Ruling on the Demjanjuk case. 
>> Online: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ocs/demjanjuk/
>>
>> usdemjanjuk022102jud.pdf+United+States+v.+Demjanjuk&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
>>
>> 2. Ibid.
>>
>> 3. Ibid, p.97.
>>
>> 4. Robert Jan van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving 
>> Trial (Indiana University Press, 2002), p. 5.
>>
>> 5. Thomas Toivi Blatt, From the Ashes of Sobibor: A Story of Survival 
>> (Northwestern University Press, 1997), pp. 227-228.
>>
>> 6. Miriam Novitch, ed., Sobibor: Martyrdom and Revolt (Holocaust Library, 
>> 1980), p. 50.
>>
>> 7. See Carlo Mattogno, Belzec in Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological 
>> Research, and History (Theses & Dissertations Press, 2004), p.10. Online: 
>> http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/b/index.html
>>
>> 8. Ibid.
>>
>> 9. Ibid.
>>
>> 10. Jules Schelvis, Sobibor: A History of a Nazi Death Camp (Berg, 2007), 
>> p.68.
>>
>> 11. Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews: Student Edition 
>> (Holmes & Meier), p. 229. See Gerstein's testimony in Yitzhak Arad, 
>> Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps (Indiana 
>> University Press, 1987), p.101.
>>
>> 12. Arad, p. 31.
>>
>> 13. For these contradictions, see Paul Grubach, "The Sobibor 'Death Camp' 
>> in the Context of the Demjanjuk Case."
>> 14. Novitch, p.78.
>>
>> 15. Jules Schelvis, Sobibor: A History of a Nazi Death Camp (Berg, 2007), 
>> p. 112.
>>
>> 16. Thomas Toivi Blatt, From the Ashes of Sobibor: A Story of Survival 
>> (Northwestern University Press, 1997), p.232.
>>
>> 17. See Mattogno, p. 10.
>>
>> 18. Arad, p. 172.
>>
>> 19. Novitch, p.13.
>>
>> 20. See the "News and Reports" section of http://www.undersobibor.org/
>>
>> 21. Hilberg, p. 338.
>>
>> 22. Schelvis, back cover. On page 1, he says that approximately 170,000 
>> were gassed at Sobibor.
>>
>> 23. See Paul Grubach, "Hunting Demjanjuk: Injustice, Double Standards, and 
>> Ulterior Agendas." Online: 
>> http://www.codoh.com/revisionist/tr08demjanjuk.html
>>
>> 24. "Demjanjuk vows to fight death camp charges," The Local: Germany's 
>> News in English, 12 May 2009. Online: 
>> http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090512-19237.html
>>
>> 25. See Blatt, footnote 15.
>>
>> 26. Ibid, p.103.
>>
>> 27. Ibid.
>>
>> 28. Gilead, I.; Haimi, Y.; Mazurek, W.. Excavating Nazi Extermination 
>> Centres. Present Pasts, North America, 110 05 2009. Online: 
>> http://presentpasts.info/journal/ind...ticle/view/3/7
>>
>> 29. Blatt, p232n7.
>>
>> 30. Ibid, p231n2.
>>
>> 31. Ibid, p.101.
>>
>> 32. Ibid, p230n2.
>>
>> 33. Arad, p. 33. 
>


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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:11:33 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:0puo55p6rtespp02s1mtel1ime4fk1b24c@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:38:05 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:lt9j551qqumsfcftbp7bfjmrr4vu1tivtq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:34:03 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>>>viestissä:1p1f55pmm8rjjek2kqooo88adfv5p56c44@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:01:49 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>>>>>viestissä:os97559s7cldi8an5c679u74ip8pe2s68f@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> On
>>>>>Hitlers  birtday in spring of 1942 German childldren were driving their
>>>>>trams to their nursing home and spitting on the queuing Ukrainan 
>>>>>children
>>>>>and elderly people to get the 500g of wheat promised to them because of
>>>>>Fuhrers bithday. Most of them got nothing but spit.
>>>>
>>>> German children in Kiev? What the fuck have you been drinking?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Topi
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Many German civil servants and officers brought their families there 
>>>during
>>>the occupation.
>>>
>In addition thre were thousands of Volksdeutche working there as 
>interpreters or other kinds of aids. Your sincere belief seems to be that 
>the Germans made no harm and committed no attrocities during the Barbarossa.

What would Volksdeutsche be doing in an area such as Kiev that had no
German community? You are contradicting yourself. There were areas of
Russia that had extensive German communities, but Kiev wasn't one of
them.

Obviously there were atrocities committed by both sides during
operatin Barbarosa. What I can't abide is the simple-minded and
totally false demonization of everything German. Many atrocities were
committed by Stalin's boys wearing German uniforms for the express
purpose of generating ill will against Germans where there had been
none previously. Germans are not stupid people who act in such a way
as to make their own positions untenable. That is just simple-minded
allied propaganda, especially coming from the Communists who are no
strangers to mass murder and other outrages themselves.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 15, 1:06 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> >Of course such basic maths would be too advanced for a nazi but do try
>> >to catch up....
>>
>> Poor George is having an episode of Alzheimers again, babbling about
>> imaginary Nazis. If George were not so pathetic, he would be funny.
>
>Riiiight.
>So you still cannot work out where the International Date Line is in
>relation to New Zealand or, come to that, Australia.
>Not the brightest candle in the pack

You are at least consistent. Alzheimers is characterized by
non-sequiturs that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at
hand. I was not talking about International Date Lines, Australia, New
Zealand or anything else in your demented diatribe.


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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:50:32 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jul 14, 11:11 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> The Israel Defense Forces used Palestinians as human shields during
>> Operation Cast Lead last January despite a 2005 High Court ruling outlawing
>> the practice, a Golani brigade soldier says. He says he did not see
>> Palestinians being used as human shields but was told by his commanders that
>> this occurred.
>>
>> The soldier says his unit employed a variation of the practice, the
>> so-called "neighbor procedure," when it checked homes for Palestinian
>> militants.
>>
>> The soldier's testimony appears in a collection of accounts being published
>> this week by Breaking the Silence, an organization that collects IDF
>> soldiers' testimony on human rights abuses by the military. The Golani
>> soldier gave similar testimony in a meeting with a Haaretz reporter.
>>
>> The IDF Spokesman's Office, for its part, says that "the IDF regrets the
>> fact that a human rights organization would again present to the country and
>> the world a report containing anonymous, generalized testimony without
>> checking the details or their reliability, and without giving the IDF, as a
>> matter of minimal fairness, the opportunity to check the matters and respond
>> to them before publication."
>>
>> The soldier's allegations relate to IDF conduct during fighting in the
>> eastern part of Gaza City. The soldier, a staff sergeant, says that in his
>> unit and others, Palestinians were often sent into houses to determine if
>> there was anyone inside.
>>
>> "The practice was not to call it 'the neighbor procedure.' Instead it was
>> called 'Johnny,'" the soldier said, using IDF slang for Palestinian
>> civilians. The IDF employed this practice extensively during the second
>> intifada, before it was outlawed by the High Court of Justice in 2005.
>>
>> At every home, the soldier said, if there were armed occupants, the house
>> was besieged, with the goal of getting the militants out of the building
>> alive. The soldier said he was present at several such operations.
>>
>> In an incident his commanders told him about, three armed militants were in
>> a house. Attack helicopters were brought in. "They ... again sent the
>> [Palestinian] neighbor in. At first he said that nothing had happened [to
>> the armed men]," the soldier said.
>>
>> "Again they brought in attack helicopters and fired. They again sent in the
>> neighbor. He said there were two dead and one still alive. They then brought
>> in a bulldozer and began to knock the house down on him until [the neighbor]
>> entered." The soldier said he had been told that the only militant remaining
>> alive was captured and turned over to the Shin Bet security service.
>>
>> The Golani soldier also testified that his commanders reported incidents in
>> which Palestinians were given sledgehammers to break through walls to let
>> the army enter through the side of houses. The army feared that the doors
>> were booby-trapped.
>>
>> The soldier added, however, that although the unit commander justified the
>> use of the so-called Johnny procedure, the commander said he was not aware
>> that sledgehammers had been given to civilians or that weapons were pointed
>> at civilians. The commander said the allegations would be looked into.
>>
>> The soldier said he had heard of other instances in which Palestinian
>> civilians were used as human shields. One time, for example, a Palestinian
>> was put at the front of an IDF force with a gun pointed at him from behind.
>> But the soldier said he had not seen this himself.
>>
>> The IDF Spokesman's Office said in a statement that on initial
>> consideration, a few of the allegations appear to be similar to allegations
>> published several months ago after a lecture by officers to cadets at a
>> pre-military academy.
>>
>> "Now, too," the spokesman said, "a considerable portion of the testimony is
>> based on rumors and secondhand accounts. Most of the incidents relate to
>> anonymous testimony lacking in identifying details, and accordingly it is
>> not possible to check the allegations on an individual basis in a way that
>> would enable an investigation, confirmation or refutation."
>>
>> The spokesman said the Breaking the Silence report suggests that the
>> organization might not be interested in a reliable comprehensive examination
>> of the allegations, "and to our regret this is not the first time the
>> organization has taken this course of action. The IDF is obligated to
>> examine every well-founded complaint it receives."
>>
>> The spokesman also noted that allegations by Breaking the Silence containing
>> specifics would be investigated.
>>
>> "The IDF expects that every soldier and commander who suspects there was a
>> witness to a violation of orders or procedures, and especially with respect
>> to violations causing injury to noncombatants, will bring all of the details
>> to the attention of authorized parties," the spokesman said.
>
>Nonsense. Palesimians are baboonus jihadicus, not homo sapiens..

No, Bill, much of your puerile diatribe could describe you.


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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:12:58 -0700 (PDT), George 
wrote:

>On Jul 15, 8:35 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> "George"  schreef in berichtnews:0e36a744-dd83-4099-afed-40ac04d121f5@q11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 15, 1:06 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >Of course such basic maths would be too advanced for a nazi but do try
>> > >to catch up....
>>
>> > Poor George is having an episode of Alzheimers again, babbling about
>> > imaginary Nazis. If George were not so pathetic, he would be funny.
>>
>> Riiiight.
>> So you still cannot work out where the International Date Line is in
>> relation to New Zealand or, come to that, Australia.
>> Not the brightest candle in the pack
>>
>> shut up georgio nobody is interested in kiwiland
>
>
>We thank you for your inattention.
>You still haven't worked out how NZ is 12 hours ahead of GMT and
>Australia is 10 hours ahead...
>If you weren't a nazi you might have gotten an education

He isn't a Nazi. Your imaginary demons are just that, IMAGINARY.


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