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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 4, 9:28 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> In Yugoslavia partisan captured a whole regiment of German soldier. The but
>> them in a cave and cemented the entrance shut. To starve the German
>> soldiers. When the Germans re captured the area thy executed the partisans.
>> The headlines from the allies said Yugoslav civilians have bee killed by the
>> Germans. But one will never find out about the starving Germans in a cave.
>> This is how politic works.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>
>The Germans brought it upon themselves when they invaded the Yugoslav
>lands.  So the Germans wore uniforms.  That didn't make their crimes
>any less drastic did it?

What crimes were those, Sherry?

If anything goes, then why are you whining?

>
>> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:r9sg25hcceoh9pvsp2sao6lud5o6i1pmpr@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC), RJ11  wrote:
>>
>> >>   On December 29 1942,  Himmler reported to Hitler that 363,211
>> >>Jews were executed during August-November 1942.
>>
>> >>   Source: Report to the Fuhrer No. 51, 29.12.42, signed by H. Himmler,
>> >>in Bundesarchiv, NS 19/2566.
>>
>> >>   A few scans of this document appear on the web,  for example
>> >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Himmler_report.jpg
>>
>> >>   The interesting fact is that this document does not refer
>> >>to the total number of Jews murdered during this period,  but
>> >>covers only those Jews murdered in the areas of the USSR
>> >>which were occupied by Germany.
>>
>> >    When German soldiers were in Communist countries they were
>> > attacked by Jewish partisans. These were people who murdered German
>> > soldiers while they wore no uniform or insignia. The Germans then
>> > executed Jew civilians in retaliation.
>>
>> >   This is what the Jews themselves say when the shoe is on the other
>> > foot:
>>
>> > Le Mod Pol  wrote in message
>> > ...
>>
>> >>"No, it is not illegal. They are not common criminals but rather
>> >>non-uniformed combatants. They have no rights, under the Geneva
>> >>convention, or anywhere else. A combatant who attacks you with no
>> >>uniform from no sovereign state simply has no juridical rights, period!
>>
>> >>> Each time Israel discovers the
>> >>> whereabouts of a terrorist leader in Palestinian
>> >>> territory, it should invade the area with a large
>> >> >force, cordon it off while exchanging gunfire with
>> >> >Palestinian forces, and comb it -- house-to-house
>> >> >and cave-to-cave -- until the suspect is
>> >> >apprehended. Then it should indict him in court
>> >> >and hold a trial with the help of witnesses
>> >> >similarly abducted from the Palestinian territories.<
>>
>> >>Yeah, right. Israel's standing regular and reserve army is at best
>> >>175,000. The ENTIRE army would be needed to do what you just said.
>> >>And then millions would have to be spent to gather evidence to convict
>> >>each terrorist. This is absurd! This is a guerrilla war, and the
>> >>guerrillas
>> >>have no rights, period. To have POW rights they have to be uniformed
>> >>soldiers,
>> >>with insignias from a recognized sovereign state at war with Israel.
>>
>> >>It's called counterterrorism. In guerrilla war there is no rational
>> >>alternative."
>>
>> >http://www.ihr.org/   www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
>>
>> >http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
>>
>> >http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/


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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:04:16 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 5, 6:54 pm, Michael Ejercito  wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 1:54 pm, Topaz  wrote:>  Holocaust a `Big Deception,' Says Iran's President
>> > Agence France Pressehttp://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i33Vai0UH84v7P645P...
>>
>>    A suspension of barbarity
>>
>> by Jeff Jacoby
>> The Boston Globe
>> April 27, 1995
>>
>> http://www.jeffjacoby.com/4096/a-suspension-of-barbarity
>>
>> FIFTY YEARS AGO, they keep saying. Fifty years ago, Auschwitz was
>> liberated. Fifty years ago, the Nazis were defeated. Fifty years ago,
>> the survivors emerged from the ash and bones and hell of the death
>> camps. Fifty years ago, the world, sickened to discover how
>> unspeakably deep and black was the abyss into which one of the most
>> cultured nations on earth had systematically ground up 6 million Jews,
>> swore: Never again. Fifty years ago, the Holocaust ended.
>>
>> Fifty years ago.
>>
>> Ended?
>>
>> In the Cleveland synagogue I grew up in, there was a woman named
>> Esther, a survivor of the camps. Over the years I watched her mind
>> slowly disassemble, pulled apart by memories too violent to endure.
>> She would burst into shouts during the rabbi's sermon and madly rush
>> to kiss the Torah scroll as it was carried to the ark. When charity
>> appeals were made from the pulpit, she would wave in the air, of all
>> things, Czechoslovak stamps, crying out that she had something of
>> great value to donate. I got hold of one of those stamps once and
>> looked it up in a catalog. It was worthless.
>>
>> When, exactly, did the Holocaust end for Esther?
>>
>> In the same synagogue was a man called B--, an envelope maker who had
>> no children and who we all somehow knew never would. What B-- lost in
>> the camps wasn't his life, but something even more precious: all hope
>> of giving life. During the war, he had been sterilized in one of Dr.
>> Mengele's sadistic experiments.
>>
>> When did his Holocaust end?
>>
>> When did my father's?
>>
>> On May 7, 1945, the concentration camp at Ebensee, an Austrian town
>> between Linz and Salzburg, was abandoned by its Nazi guards. Among the
>> Jews not yet dead in that place was my father. He was 19 years old, he
>> weighed 65 pounds, and he was nearly gone with starvation and typhoid
>> fever. Thirteen months and three camps earlier, on his first day in
>> Auschwitz, he had seen his parents sent to the gas chamber, along with
>> his 10-year-old brother Yrvin and his little sister Alice, who was 8.
>> My father's teen-age brother Zoltan was murdered a few days later; his
>> older sister Franceska by the following spring.
>>
>> When the Nazis fled Ebensee on that May morning 50 years ago, my
>> father was left with nothing but the rags he was wearing and a
>> greenish-blue tattoo on his arm: A-10502.
>>
>> And feelings of guilt that have lasted for decades.
>>
>> "I had dreams and nightmares about what happened," he said to me once.
>> "I always feel sort of guilty, even until now, about not protecting my
>> younger brother. I was with him together for a just a few hours; then
>> we were separated. I wonder -- could I have insisted that he stay with
>> me? I don't know. Coming from a farm, I was naive. I was not
>> sophisticated."
>>
>> Between 1940 and 1945, it was a central aim of the German Reich to
>> exterminate every Jew in Europe -- to bring about, once and for all, a
>> "Final Solution" to the Jewish "problem." To carry out this policy,
>> which was given a higher priority than even the war effort, the Nazis
>> constructed a vast and elaborate machinery, employing tens of
>> thousands of people and requiring the most detailed and complicated
>> logistics. It was an industry whose raw material was Jews, which it
>> imported from lands as far-flung as Greece and Norway, and whose final
>> product was Jewish corpses, or the greasy smoke of Jewish corpses. To
>> ensure its success, the Nazis drew on all the resources of wealth,
>> science, engineering, transportation and manpower at their command.
>>
>> And my father has felt guilty for 50 years because he didn't know how
>> to save his brother.
>>
>> Has his Holocaust ended?
>>
>> I mistrust this number, this 50. It seems too definitive a milestone,
>> too complete, too over-and-done-with. When I hear the words "ended 50
>> years ago," it seems to me I also hear: "Enough already." "Let it go."
>> "It's history."
>>
>> Is it?
>>
>> On an NPR broadcast two weeks ago, an articulate skinhead named Tracy
>> Gilson was asked why he has Hitler's face tattooed on his neck.
>>
>> "The Holocaust," replied the young man, who became a skinhead at 13.
>> "You know what? If it did happen, good. I don't care. I'm glad. I
>> really -- that's good. That's great. Swell, good. Kill 6 million more,
>> somebody, please. . . . I wish somebody would do that here, freakin'
>> decide that they need to get rid of all the trash and start building
>> death camps. That would be fine with me."
>>
>> The Holocaust didn't end 50 years ago; it was only suspended. What
>> separates us from 8-year-old girls gulping death in gas chambers is
>> nothing more than a thin veneer of civilization, stretched like a
>> bandage over a bleeding wound, capable of being stripped away in a
>> twinkling. Germany is the land of Bach and Durer and Goethe, after
>> all. Yet how readily it became the land of Buchenwald and crematoria
>> and pits filled with naked, machine-gunned Jews.
>>
>> There is nothing so evil, so demonic, that people cannot be induced to
>> do it, or to look the other way while it is being done. Not only storm
>> troops and skinheads. Nice people. Cultured people. People like us.
>>
>> Fifty years ago, the Holocaust was suspended. How long it stays
>> suspended depends on how long we remember to never forget. Fifty years
>> after the spring of 1945, when even those who survived are almost all
>> gone and wildflowers grow where dead parents and dead children were
>> once piled high, we need to remember more urgently than ever.
>
>I feel your pain.  You think you are alone in suffering?  Look at what
>the Americans went through in order to defeat Japan and Germany.  How
>do you think they came back after the war?  What about the ones who
>were POW's in Jap camps?

Think of all the victims of American atrocities, including those at
Hiroshima and Nagazaki, who were murdered by the allegedly "peace
loving" USA, a country that has been involved in military altercations
with one or more opponents EVERY YEAR OF ITS EXISTENCE. The USA is by
far the most warlike and aggressive state ever to exist, and I really
reject the whole concept to listening to lectures on morality from
them.


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On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 6, 9:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 4, 9:28 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> >> In Yugoslavia partisan captured a whole regiment of German soldier. The but
>> >> them in a cave and cemented the entrance shut. To starve the German
>> >> soldiers. When the Germans re captured the area thy executed the partisans.
>> >> The headlines from the allies said Yugoslav civilians have bee killed by the
>> >> Germans. But one will never find out about the starving Germans in a cave.
>> >> This is how politic works.
>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >The Germans brought it upon themselves when they invaded the Yugoslav
>> >lands.  So the Germans wore uniforms.  That didn't make their crimes
>> >any less drastic did it?
>>
>> What crimes were those, Sherry?
>>
>> If anything goes, then why are you whining?
>>
>
>The crime of invading a country for the simple reason of obtaining
>power.  The Yugoslavs had a right in defending themselves.

LOL

That is pretty superficial "history". It really shows a low level of
understanding of the topic at hand.

>
>>
>>
>> >> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:r9sg25hcceoh9pvsp2sao6lud5o6i1pmpr@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC), RJ11  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>   On December 29 1942,  Himmler reported to Hitler that 363,211
>> >> >>Jews were executed during August-November 1942.
>>
>> >> >>   Source: Report to the Fuhrer No. 51, 29.12.42, signed by H. Himmler,
>> >> >>in Bundesarchiv, NS 19/2566.
>>
>> >> >>   A few scans of this document appear on the web,  for example
>> >> >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Himmler_report.jpg
>>
>> >> >>   The interesting fact is that this document does not refer
>> >> >>to the total number of Jews murdered during this period,  but
>> >> >>covers only those Jews murdered in the areas of the USSR
>> >> >>which were occupied by Germany.
>>
>> >> >    When German soldiers were in Communist countries they were
>> >> > attacked by Jewish partisans. These were people who murdered German
>> >> > soldiers while they wore no uniform or insignia. The Germans then
>> >> > executed Jew civilians in retaliation.
>>
>> >> >   This is what the Jews themselves say when the shoe is on the other
>> >> > foot:
>>
>> >> > Le Mod Pol  wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>>
>> >> >>"No, it is not illegal. They are not common criminals but rather
>> >> >>non-uniformed combatants. They have no rights, under the Geneva
>> >> >>convention, or anywhere else. A combatant who attacks you with no
>> >> >>uniform from no sovereign state simply has no juridical rights, period!
>>
>> >> >>> Each time Israel discovers the
>> >> >>> whereabouts of a terrorist leader in Palestinian
>> >> >>> territory, it should invade the area with a large
>> >> >> >force, cordon it off while exchanging gunfire with
>> >> >> >Palestinian forces, and comb it -- house-to-house
>> >> >> >and cave-to-cave -- until the suspect is
>> >> >> >apprehended. Then it should indict him in court
>> >> >> >and hold a trial with the help of witnesses
>> >> >> >similarly abducted from the Palestinian territories.<
>>
>> >> >>Yeah, right. Israel's standing regular and reserve army is at best
>> >> >>175,000. The ENTIRE army would be needed to do what you just said.
>> >> >>And then millions would have to be spent to gather evidence to convict
>> >> >>each terrorist. This is absurd! This is a guerrilla war, and the
>> >> >>guerrillas
>> >> >>have no rights, period. To have POW rights they have to be uniformed
>> >> >>soldiers,
>> >> >>with insignias from a recognized sovereign state at war with Israel.
>>
>> >> >>It's called counterterrorism. In guerrilla war there is no rational
>> >> >>alternative."
>>
>> >> >http://www.ihr.org/  www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
>>
>> >> >http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
>>
>> >> >http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/


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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 06:26:44 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>Duh, what does that have to do with concentration
>camp survivors being compensated by Germany?

Some of the alleged "slave labourers" worked for the Reichspost, a
really improbable slave user. This sounds like another scam to get
money from the German taxpayer, and the German "government" of Merkel
is simply too craven and cowardly to stand up to these fraud attempts.
It is easier just to pay.

>
>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:oIvVl.30471$PH1.27981@edtnps82...
>> German civilians have been slave labour in Siberia why do they not get 
>> compensation from the Russians.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "ÇDoügßT"  wrote in message 
>> news:fBvVl.31109$yr3.17013@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> "I'll Always Be 2/06/09"  wrote in message 
>>> news:aussies_suck-469B41.13330502062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> In article
>>>> <78lbfdF1l1fdfU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> "Heinrich" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I'll Always Be 2/06/09"  schreef in 
>>>>> bericht
>>>>> news:aussies_suck-E047BB.11435502062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>>> > In article
>>>>> > <78l8csF1n3gghU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "I'll Always Be 2/06/09"  schreef in
>>>>> >> bericht
>>>>> >> news:aussies_suck-4F2CAE.10545002062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>>> >> > In article
>>>>> >> > <78l32mF1lauqlU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Three Holocaust survivors won clearance Tuesday from a German
>>>>> >> >> social-welfare
>>>>> >> >> tribunal to claim old-age pensions on account of work they were 
>>>>> >> >> forced
>>>>> >> >> to
>>>>> >> >> do
>>>>> >> >> by the Nazis.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> All three were confined in ghettos, the cordoned-off and
>>>>> >> >> starvation-ravaged
>>>>> >> >> zones where Jews were corralled by the Nazis in eastern European
>>>>> >> >> cities
>>>>> >> >> in
>>>>> >> >> the months and years before being sent to death camps during the
>>>>> >> >> Second
>>>>> >> >> World War.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Their claims for labor-related pensions had previously failed 
>>>>> >> >> because
>>>>> >> >> they
>>>>> >> >> did not receive any wages from the German occupiers.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> But the tribunal in the central city of Kassel ruled that 
>>>>> >> >> receiving
>>>>> >> >> food
>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>> >> >> other gratuities for their work as electricians was also 
>>>>> >> >> remuneration
>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>> >> >> qualified them for the pension scheme.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In a series of cases in recent years, elderly Holocaust survivors 
>>>>> >> >> have
>>>>> >> >> won
>>>>> >> >> German pensions, which continue for life, unlike lump-sum 
>>>>> >> >> compensation
>>>>> >> >> paid
>>>>> >> >> once only by Germany to former slave labourers.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> The judges ruled that an employment relationship existed even 
>>>>> >> >> when it
>>>>> >> >> was
>>>>> >> >> forced and when the sole remuneration was in goods, no matter how
>>>>> >> >> scanty.
>>>>> >> >> Employment also existed when a third party received that payment.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> The Jewish claimants, two men and women, are now aged between 80 
>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>> >> >> 87.
>>>>> >> >> They were in ghettoes in Poland and Belarus and worked in the 
>>>>> >> >> German
>>>>> >> >> army
>>>>> >> >> postal service, a leather factory and the state-owned Hermann 
>>>>> >> >> Goering
>>>>> >> >> industrial group.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Their sole remuneration was meals at work, some food to take home 
>>>>> >> >> or
>>>>> >> >> ration
>>>>> >> >> coupons, and occasional cash gratuities.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> The Nazis extensively exploited forced labour because a large 
>>>>> >> >> part of
>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> German male workforce was doing military service.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > That's great. Wasn't it you and benjie
>>>>> >> > that were intent on proving that camp
>>>>> >> > inmates were indeed paid. That being the
>>>>> >> > case, none of you will object to
>>>>> >> > survivors getting the pensions they
>>>>> >> > "earned". LOL
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> they were paid with
>>>>> >> Reichsmarke dombo
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As were many germans...who are receiving
>>>>> > pensions
>>>>>
>>>>> but the germans donot whine while the jews continue to whine about 
>>>>> money
>>>>
>>>> The germans don't have to whine...they
>>>> have you doing that on an hourly basis
>>>
>>> Perhaps the stupidest part of Heine's ranting and raving about
>>> the compensation these Holocaust victims are getting is the
>>> FACT that they won't be getting it for much longer -- because
>>> they're ALL at the end of their lifespan.
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 06:55:40 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"george"  schreef in bericht 
>news:4cc6d165-2a51-4fd9-88e6-14a905805131@r13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 7, 6:45 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>
>> sigh. cramer was forged as a consequence of which i posted the forged
>> message. since i refuse to believe to a gentile would forge him there is
>> only one kind of people who are after his skin and those happen to be 
>> jews.
>> it is not that difficult to understand
>
>You get any further into denial you'll have to wear your waterwings.
>Dumb nazi
>
>why starting name calling? you ran out of arguements? 

Invective is all they have in their arsenal.



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On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 18:23:33 +0200, "Heinrich" 
wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 6/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-08937F.09145006062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <78ugohF1o1tsgU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 6/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-26B5F1.23144905062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <78ue9sF1n9pniU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "I'll Always Be 6/06/09"  schreef in
>>> >> bericht
>>> >> news:aussies_suck-B031B6.22403405062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > <78ucn9F1nvfmhU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "I'll Always Be 6/06/09"  schreef in
>>> >> >> bericht
>>> >> >> news:aussies_suck-09BB69.22192505062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> >> > In article
>>> >> >> > <78u8l0F1o4lpcU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> "I'll Always Be 5/06/09"  schreef 
>>> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> bericht
>>> >> >> >> news:aussies_suck-A880B6.15575305062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> >> >> > In article
>>> >> >> >> > <78t3mhF1nhfc2U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> >> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> "I'll Always Be 5/06/09"  
>>> >> >> >> >> schreef
>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> >> bericht
>>> >> >> >> >> news:aussies_suck-8C98F5.10163305062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> >> >> >> > In article
>>> >> >> >> >> > <78t23bF1nk0anU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> >> >> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  schreef in 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> bericht
>>> >> >> >> >> >> news:Bs6dndDBIPctzLTXnZ2dnUVZ_hGlnZ2d@vex.net...
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > In article <7v9Wl.29514$Db2.16897@edtnps83>,
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Laughing
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Jugend
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Tutu with the "Ehrenarier" Cross and 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>I also like to know if some of
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>them were still alive would they be under a gag order 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>and
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>are
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>not
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>allowed
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>to
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>talk. What would happen to them if they express their
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>opinions
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>freely.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>How
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>many of them are still under an gag order and will go to
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>jail
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>if
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>do
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>not
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>obey.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > There is no gag order.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > There was no gag order.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > There will be no gag order.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > You're welcome, moron.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 148 Statements Illustrating Leading Revisionist Scholar
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Kurt
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Knoll's
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > strict adherence to the highest intellectual standards 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > of
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Holocaust
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > denial... folks, with intellects like Knoll's to guide
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > them,
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Holocaust
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > deniers cannot but slaver in his footsteps:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > (See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > the first 145 -- (Honest, Folks, I'm not making them 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > up!)
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 146. "The decision of a Jude I mostly not neutral 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > basically
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > he
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > has
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     to follow the law. In the holocaust trial he has to 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > be
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > very
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     careful not to please the Jews or his courier is 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > over."
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     , May 15, 2009
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 147. "Interesting another new story. How pig was the 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > whole
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > in
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     roof," , May 27, 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 2009
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 148. "The holocaust is not under investigation by the 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > pope
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > what
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     is it you are trying to twist around. as for the 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > pope
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     I am an athirst you can keep him."
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > ,
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >     May 31, 2009
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > -- 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > "No wonder years after the war was over he found some 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > more
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist 
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Scholar)
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > The Nizkor Project:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.nizkor.org/
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> mcvay feel free to drop dead
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> > You sound upset. Good
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> i am not upset but in factas sharpas a knife. mc vay is a 
>>> >> >> >> >> wanker
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > You sound upset. Good
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> you lost money . good
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Not me, I am not an inept xian
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> it is good to see that you are losing control of yourself
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Such a poor try. You've been drinking,
>>> >> > haven't you?
>>> >> it is almost 8 o clock in the morning here so what do you expect
>>> >
>>> > That you woke up thirsty
>>>
>>> in the morning i drink coffee andi am always in anticipation ofyour 
>>> stupid
>>> replies to my postings
>>
>> You should really  control your
>> obsession for me
>
>you are late this evening.  what did it take you so long 

The CTV news announcer rendered Eli's name as "We-sell" rather than
"weasel", showing that even they are out-to-lunch.

Wiesel has shovelled one hell of a lot of bull shit over the years.


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On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:33:23 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:p5vn25tj702vbj8o93f803gle3698a2l6u@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 6, 9:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> >On Jun 4, 9:28 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>>>> >> In Yugoslavia partisan captured a whole regiment of German soldier. 
>>>> >> The but
>>>> >> them in a cave and cemented the entrance shut. To starve the German
>>>> >> soldiers. When the Germans re captured the area thy executed the 
>>>> >> partisans.
>>>> >> The headlines from the allies said Yugoslav civilians have bee killed 
>>>> >> by the
>>>> >> Germans. But one will never find out about the starving Germans in a 
>>>> >> cave.
>>>> >> This is how politic works.
>>>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> >The Germans brought it upon themselves when they invaded the Yugoslav
>>>> >lands. So the Germans wore uniforms. That didn't make their crimes
>>>> >any less drastic did it?
>>>>
>>>> What crimes were those, Sherry?
>>>>
>>>> If anything goes, then why are you whining?
>>>>
>>>
>>>The crime of invading a country for the simple reason of obtaining
>>>power.  The Yugoslavs had a right in defending themselves.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> That is pretty superficial "history". It really shows a low level of
>> understanding of the topic at hand.
>
>All he has is a very primitive basic education. The world is full of Nazis 
>so he thinks.

All manner of mentally ill people see the world overrun with imaginary
demons. Sherry clearly has problems.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >>news:r9sg25hcceoh9pvsp2sao6lud5o6i1pmpr@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> >> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC), RJ11  
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >> On December 29 1942, Himmler reported to Hitler that 363,211
>>>> >> >>Jews were executed during August-November 1942.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> Source: Report to the Fuhrer No. 51, 29.12.42, signed by H. 
>>>> >> >> Himmler,
>>>> >> >>in Bundesarchiv, NS 19/2566.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> A few scans of this document appear on the web, for example
>>>> >> >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Himmler_report.jpg
>>>>
>>>> >> >> The interesting fact is that this document does not refer
>>>> >> >>to the total number of Jews murdered during this period, but
>>>> >> >>covers only those Jews murdered in the areas of the USSR
>>>> >> >>which were occupied by Germany.
>>>>
>>>> >> > When German soldiers were in Communist countries they were
>>>> >> > attacked by Jewish partisans. These were people who murdered German
>>>> >> > soldiers while they wore no uniform or insignia. The Germans then
>>>> >> > executed Jew civilians in retaliation.
>>>>
>>>> >> > This is what the Jews themselves say when the shoe is on the other
>>>> >> > foot:
>>>>
>>>> >> > Le Mod Pol  wrote in message
>>>> >> > ...
>>>>
>>>> >> >>"No, it is not illegal. They are not common criminals but rather
>>>> >> >>non-uniformed combatants. They have no rights, under the Geneva
>>>> >> >>convention, or anywhere else. A combatant who attacks you with no
>>>> >> >>uniform from no sovereign state simply has no juridical rights, 
>>>> >> >>period!
>>>>
>>>> >> >>> Each time Israel discovers the
>>>> >> >>> whereabouts of a terrorist leader in Palestinian
>>>> >> >>> territory, it should invade the area with a large
>>>> >> >> >force, cordon it off while exchanging gunfire with
>>>> >> >> >Palestinian forces, and comb it -- house-to-house
>>>> >> >> >and cave-to-cave -- until the suspect is
>>>> >> >> >apprehended. Then it should indict him in court
>>>> >> >> >and hold a trial with the help of witnesses
>>>> >> >> >similarly abducted from the Palestinian territories.<
>>>>
>>>> >> >>Yeah, right. Israel's standing regular and reserve army is at best
>>>> >> >>175,000. The ENTIRE army would be needed to do what you just said.
>>>> >> >>And then millions would have to be spent to gather evidence to 
>>>> >> >>convict
>>>> >> >>each terrorist. This is absurd! This is a guerrilla war, and the
>>>> >> >>guerrillas
>>>> >> >>have no rights, period. To have POW rights they have to be 
>>>> >> >>uniformed
>>>> >> >>soldiers,
>>>> >> >>with insignias from a recognized sovereign state at war with 
>>>> >> >>Israel.
>>>>
>>>> >> >>It's called counterterrorism. In guerrilla war there is no rational
>>>> >> >>alternative."
>>>>
>>>> >> >http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
>>>>
>>>> >> >http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
>>>>
>>>> >> >http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/ 
>


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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 7, 6:11 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:33:23 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>> >news:p5vn25tj702vbj8o93f803gle3698a2l6u@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>> >>  wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Jun 6, 9:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >>>>  wrote:
>> >>>> >On Jun 4, 9:28 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> >>>> >> In Yugoslavia partisan captured a whole regiment of German soldier.
>> >>>> >> The but
>> >>>> >> them in a cave and cemented the entrance shut. To starve the German
>> >>>> >> soldiers. When the Germans re captured the area thy executed the
>> >>>> >> partisans.
>> >>>> >> The headlines from the allies said Yugoslav civilians have bee killed
>> >>>> >> by the
>> >>>> >> Germans. But one will never find out about the starving Germans in a
>> >>>> >> cave.
>> >>>> >> This is how politic works.
>> >>>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >>>> >The Germans brought it upon themselves when they invaded the Yugoslav
>> >>>> >lands. So the Germans wore uniforms. That didn't make their crimes
>> >>>> >any less drastic did it?
>>
>> >>>> What crimes were those, Sherry?
>>
>> >>>> If anything goes, then why are you whining?
>>
>> >>>The crime of invading a country for the simple reason of obtaining
>> >>>power.  The Yugoslavs had a right in defending themselves.
>>
>> >> LOL
>>
>> >> That is pretty superficial "history". It really shows a low level of
>> >> understanding of the topic at hand.
>>
>> >All he has is a very primitive basic education. The world is full of Nazis
>> >so he thinks.
>>
>> All manner of mentally ill people see the world overrun with imaginary
>> demons. Sherry clearly has problems.
>>
>
>Your statement is devoid of substance as usual.  But then should I
>expect something of substance from a loon a tick?

You need to lay off the hallucinogens, Sherry.

>


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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 7, 1:46 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 6, 9:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 4, 9:28 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> >> >> In Yugoslavia partisan captured a whole regiment of German soldier. The but
>> >> >> them in a cave and cemented the entrance shut. To starve the German
>> >> >> soldiers. When the Germans re captured the area thy executed the partisans.
>> >> >> The headlines from the allies said Yugoslav civilians have bee killed by the
>> >> >> Germans. But one will never find out about the starving Germans in a cave.
>> >> >> This is how politic works.
>> >> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >> >The Germans brought it upon themselves when they invaded the Yugoslav
>> >> >lands.  So the Germans wore uniforms.  That didn't make their crimes
>> >> >any less drastic did it?
>>
>> >> What crimes were those, Sherry?
>>
>> >> If anything goes, then why are you whining?
>>
>> >The crime of invading a country for the simple reason of obtaining
>> >power.  The Yugoslavs had a right in defending themselves.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> That is pretty superficial "history". It really shows a low level of
>> understanding of the topic at hand.
>>
>
>What have you proven by your statement mr. lol man?  Nada.  Nothing.
>Nichts.  Absolutely nothing.  Zero.  But keep on laughing like a mad
>loon.  It's all you got, but at least it's something.

You're just another mindless Germanophobic cretin who confuses
propaganda with history.

>
>>
>>
>> >> >> "Topaz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:r9sg25hcceoh9pvsp2sao6lud5o6i1pmpr@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC), RJ11  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>   On December 29 1942,  Himmler reported to Hitler that 363,211
>> >> >> >>Jews were executed during August-November 1942.
>>
>> >> >> >>   Source: Report to the Fuhrer No. 51, 29.12.42, signed by H. Himmler,
>> >> >> >>in Bundesarchiv, NS 19/2566.
>>
>> >> >> >>   A few scans of this document appear on the web,  for example
>> >> >> >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Himmler_report.jpg
>>
>> >> >> >>   The interesting fact is that this document does not refer
>> >> >> >>to the total number of Jews murdered during this period,  but
>> >> >> >>covers only those Jews murdered in the areas of the USSR
>> >> >> >>which were occupied by Germany.
>>
>> >> >> >    When German soldiers were in Communist countries they were
>> >> >> > attacked by Jewish partisans. These were people who murdered German
>> >> >> > soldiers while they wore no uniform or insignia. The Germans then
>> >> >> > executed Jew civilians in retaliation.
>>
>> >> >> >   This is what the Jews themselves say when the shoe is on the other
>> >> >> > foot:
>>
>> >> >> > Le Mod Pol  wrote in message
>> >> >> > ...
>>
>> >> >> >>"No, it is not illegal. They are not common criminals but rather
>> >> >> >>non-uniformed combatants. They have no rights, under the Geneva
>> >> >> >>convention, or anywhere else. A combatant who attacks you with no
>> >> >> >>uniform from no sovereign state simply has no juridical rights, period!
>>
>> >> >> >>> Each time Israel discovers the
>> >> >> >>> whereabouts of a terrorist leader in Palestinian
>> >> >> >>> territory, it should invade the area with a large
>> >> >> >> >force, cordon it off while exchanging gunfire with
>> >> >> >> >Palestinian forces, and comb it -- house-to-house
>> >> >> >> >and cave-to-cave -- until the suspect is
>> >> >> >> >apprehended. Then it should indict him in court
>> >> >> >> >and hold a trial with the help of witnesses
>> >> >> >> >similarly abducted from the Palestinian territories.<
>>
>> >> >> >>Yeah, right. Israel's standing regular and reserve army is at best
>> >> >> >>175,000. The ENTIRE army would be needed to do what you just said.
>> >> >> >>And then millions would have to be spent to gather evidence to convict
>> >> >> >>each terrorist. This is absurd! This is a guerrilla war, and the
>> >> >> >>guerrillas
>> >> >> >>have no rights, period. To have POW rights they have to be uniformed
>> >> >> >>soldiers,
>> >> >> >>with insignias from a recognized sovereign state at war with Israel.
>>
>> >> >> >>It's called counterterrorism. In guerrilla war there is no rational
>> >> >> >>alternative."
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.ihr.org/  www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
>>
>> >> >> >http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/


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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 8, 7:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 7, 1:46 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 6, 9:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jun 4, 9:28 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> >> >> >> In Yugoslavia partisan captured a whole regiment of German soldier. The but
>> >> >> >> them in a cave and cemented the entrance shut. To starve the German
>> >> >> >> soldiers. When the Germans re captured the area thy executed the partisans.
>> >> >> >> The headlines from the allies said Yugoslav civilians have bee killed by the
>> >> >> >> Germans. But one will never find out about the starving Germans in a cave.
>> >> >> >> This is how politic works.
>> >> >> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >> >> >The Germans brought it upon themselves when they invaded the Yugoslav
>> >> >> >lands.  So the Germans wore uniforms.  That didn't make their crimes
>> >> >> >any less drastic did it?
>>
>> >> >> What crimes were those, Sherry?
>>
>> >> >> If anything goes, then why are you whining?
>>
>> >> >The crime of invading a country for the simple reason of obtaining
>> >> >power.  The Yugoslavs had a right in defending themselves.
>>
>> >> LOL
>>
>> >> That is pretty superficial "history". It really shows a low level of
>> >> understanding of the topic at hand.
>>
>> >What have you proven by your statement mr. lol man?  Nada.  Nothing.
>> >Nichts.  Absolutely nothing.  Zero.  But keep on laughing like a mad
>> >loon.  It's all you got, but at least it's something.
>>
>> You're just another mindless Germanophobic cretin who confuses
>> propaganda with history.
>>
>
>How am I mindless and Germanophobic?

Every one of your posts shouts "mindless" and "Germanophobic".




>  I have nothing against Germans.
>I don't know how you come up with your so called 'points of
>argument'.  It seems as though you take them out of the air.
>


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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:11:32 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
>news:d757fb79-dd7d-4911-a748-0fd1c5426fc5@g37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> On 6 Juni, 18:20, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>>> War's du not just Start out of nothing wars are being manipulatet.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> Ah.. like the Gleiwitz (sp?) incident.
>>
>So war es auch. Mein Nachbar wohnte nur 10 Kilometer entfernt aber heute 
>machen sie und weis das die deutschen ihre eigenen Leute in Gleiwitz 
>umbrachten.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
The Gleiwitz incident did not set off the war except in allied
propaganda. Gleiwitz isn't even mentioned in serious analyses of the
topic. WW2 ultimately comes down to Versailles and the creation of
Versailles-Poland on German land complete with a hostage German
population.


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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:58:06 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 8, 11:59 am, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Ohne amerikanischer Unterstützung geht es nicht . Ein Jude hier sagte mir
>> das es das ziel der Juden ist Libanon  Syrien und den Irak eines Tages
>> besitzen werden. Das ganze bluten aller anderen Nationen ist davon abhängig
>> was Israel will. Amerika redet von Iran und Atomwaffen. Tatsache ist es das
>> Israel die 3 größte Atom macht ist und vieles darüber uns enthalten wird.
>> Wie lange sollen deutsche und auch andere Länder für Israel bluten.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>This is America.  Speak Spanish.

Your inability to read or understand German is your problem, Sherry.

>
>
>> "Rainer E."  wrote in message
>>
>> news:h0j84g$4fj$1@news01.versatel.de...
>>
>> > Truthseeker wrote:
>> >> "Rainer E."  wrote in message
>> >>news:h0j2hl$15i$1@news01.versatel.de...
>>
>> >>> Das heißt nichts weiter als 70 Mandate für das pro-westliche Bündnis
>> >>> und 58 Mandate für die Hisbollah. Sie sitzen also so oder so im
>> >>> Parlament.
>>
>> >> Ich glaube du hast recht die Juden haben Hisbollah reduziert wenn
>> >> diese nun nicht mehr d sind dann werden die lebansen angegriffen.
>>
>> > Ich glaube mit den Juden hat das nichts zu tun Kurt. Die Wahlbeteiligung
>> > war sehr gering. Die im Ausland lebenden Libanesen haben auch gewählt.
>> > Schiiten, Sunniten, Drusen wohnen alle in unterschiedlichen Provinzen. Die
>> > Hisbollah hat ja das Wahlergebnis anerkannt. In irgendeiner Form werden
>> > sie mitregieren, aber bei Abstimmungen eben keine Mehrheit
>> > zusammenbekommen. Die Hisbollah hat sich aber noch nie völlig
>> > undemokratisch gezeigt. Das sind ja keine Taliban, da ist schon ein
>> > Unterschied.
>>
>> > gruß
>> > Rainer


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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:39:01 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>You mean after some 2000 years.

Land claims based on what MIGHT have been true two or three thousand
years earlier are a joke. German land claims against Poland in 1939
were less than twenty years old and hence quite current.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 9/06/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-03CC9B.14213609062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <_axXl.29944$Db2.11614@edtnps83>,
>> "Truthseeker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a simple answer for this. The Germans wanted their land back.
>>
>> So do the Jews. Thank you for admitting
>> that they are correct
>>
>>
>>
>>> kk
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 9/06/09"  wrote in message
>>> news:aussies_suck-56CD8C.10063809062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > ,
>>> > "Truthseeker" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I have to agree with you here. It was actually the allies who gave 
>>> >> parts
>>> >> of
>>> >> Germany away to Czechoslovakia and Poland And no wonder this is 
>>> >> creating
>>> >> hatred. Lets also not forget the Jews have been very instrumental in 
>>> >> the
>>> >> drafting of this event by promising the British American help if they 
>>> >> can
>>> >> get Palestine as their homeland.
>>> >
>>> > Which happened during WW1. What has that
>>> > got to do with the fact that your
>>> > germans invented the attack on Gleiwitz?
>>> > thus starting WW2.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> In doing so they did create their own hatred from the Germans.
>>> >
>>> > Germans are a warlike race, they know
>>> > nothing but hate. One only has to read
>>> > your continual posts of hatred to see
>>> > the proof for this.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>>> >>
>>> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:brss251vmdchm71v6l0oaoh45r0tkmdtnf@4ax.com...
>>> >> > On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:11:32 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> wrote in message
>>> >> >>news:d757fb79-dd7d-4911-a748-0fd1c5426fc5@g37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> >>> On 6 Juni, 18:20, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>>> >> >>>> War's du not just Start out of nothing wars are being 
>>> >> >>>> manipulatet.
>>> >> >>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Ah.. like the Gleiwitz (sp?) incident.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>So war es auch. Mein Nachbar wohnte nur 10 Kilometer entfernt aber
>>> >> >>heute
>>> >> >>machen sie und weis das die deutschen ihre eigenen Leute in Gleiwitz
>>> >> >>umbrachten.
>>> >> >>Kurt Knoll.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> > The Gleiwitz incident did not set off the war except in allied
>>> >> > propaganda. Gleiwitz isn't even mentioned in serious analyses of the
>>> >> > topic. WW2 ultimately comes down to Versailles and the creation of
>>> >> > Versailles-Poland on German land complete with a hostage German
>>> >> > population. 
>


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On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

> Ich spreche ein besseres Deutshe wie du!  Aber
>morgen kannst du mir deine Nasse in mein arschloch stecken. 

LOL

If this is an example of your German, then you speak German like an
illiterate Polish peasant girl. It isn't very impressive at all.


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:46:19 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-6710FA.23060909062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <798qhkF1p20leU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>> February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>> and barbarism began against a
>> defenceless German city
>>
>>
>> Yet Guernica and Rotterdam mean nothing
>> to you filth
>
>in holland more people died of american bombings than by german bombings 

I see that "I'll always be" is continuing with his lies and
distortions. Rotterdam was an accident which claimed fewer than 1000
lives, and Guernica was an event during the Spanish Civil War called
for by Spanish authorities, not German authorities. Even Guernica was
very small-scale compared to the carefully planned massacre at
Dresden.

The "I'll always be" jerk likes to compare apples and oranges. Even if
Rotterdam and Guernica could be construed as real atrocities, they
would not justify the atrocity at Dresden. It is the same false logic
that uses Japanese excesses against China during the thirties as a
justification for an American anti-civilian atrocity in 1945 at
Hiroshima and Nagazaki.


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:15:14 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>Like the best Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis, Manis Friedman has won the hearts of 
>many unaffiliated Jews with his charismatic talks about love and God; it was 
>Friedman who helped lead Bob Dylan into a relationship with Chabad.
>
>But Friedman, who today travels the country as a Chabad speaker, showed a 
>less warm and cuddly side when he was asked how he thinks Jews should treat 
>their Arab neighbors.
>
>"The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy 
>sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)," Friedman wrote in 
>response to the question posed by Moment Magazine for its "Ask the Rabbis" 
>feature.

If Friedman is correct, and this sort of thing is "the Jewish way",
then perhaps this Jewish formula should be applied to Jews. The world
is entitled to protect itself against the likes of Friedman and his
"Jewish way". Friedman is disgusting.

>
>
>Friedman argued that if Israel followed this wisdom, there would be "no 
>civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of 
>righteousness, in fact, no war."
>
>"I don't believe in Western morality," he wrote. "Living by Torah values 
>will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a 
>disastrous morality of human invention."
>
>Friedman's use of phrasing that might seem more familiar coming from an 
>Islamic extremist has generated a swift backlash. The editor of Moment, 
>Nadine Epstein, said that since the piece was printed in the current issue 
>they "have received many letters and e-mails in response to Rabbi Friedman's 
>comments - and almost none of them have been positive."
>
>Friedman quickly went into damage control. He released a statement to the 
>Forward, through a Chabad spokesman, saying that his answer in Moment was 
>"misleading" and that he does believe that "any neighbor of the Jewish 
>people should be treated, as the Torah commands us, with respect and 
>compassion."
>
>But Friedman's words have generated a debate about whether there is a darker 
>side to the cheery face that the Chabad-Lubavitch movement shows to the 
>world in its friendly outreach to unaffiliated Jews. Mordecai Specktor, 
>editor of the Jewish community newspaper in Friedman's hometown, St. Paul. 
>Minnesota, said: "The public face of Lubavitch is educational programs and 
>promoting Yiddishkeit. But I do often hear this hard line that Friedman 
>expresses here."
>
>"He sets things out in pretty stark terms, but I think this is what 
>Lubavitchers believe, more or less," said Specktor, who is also the 
>publisher of the American Jewish World.
>
>"They are not about loving the Arabs or a two-state solution or any of that 
>stuff. They are fundamentalists. They are our fundamentalists."
>
>Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League and a 
>regular critic of Arab extremists, said that in the Jewish community, "We 
>are not immune to having these views. There are people in our community who 
>have these bigoted, racist views."
>
>But, Foxman warned, Friedman's views are not reflective of the Chabad rabbis 
>he knows. "I am not shocked that there would be a rabbi who would have these 
>views," Foxman said, "but I am shocked that Moment would give up all 
>editorial discretion and good sense to publish this as representative of 
>Chabad."
>
>A few days after anger about the comment surfaced, Chabad headquarters 
>released a statement saying that, "we vehemently disagree with any sentiment 
>suggesting that Judaism allows for the wanton destruction of civilian life, 
>even when at war."
>
>The statement added: "In keeping with Jewish law, it is the unequivocal 
>position of Chabad-Lubavitch that all human life is G-d given, precious, and 
>must be treated with respect, dignity and compassion."
>
>In Moment, Friedman's comment is listed as the Chabad response to the 
>question "How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?" after a number of 
>answers from rabbis representing other Jewish streams, most of which state a 
>conciliatory attitude toward Arabs.
>
>Epstein said that Friedman was "brave" for stating his views so clearly.
>
>"The American Jewish community doesn't have the chance to hear opinions like 
>this," Epstein said, "not because they are rare, but because we don't often 
>ask Chabad and other similar groups what they think."
>
>The Chabad movement is generally known for its hawkish policies toward the 
>Palestinians; the Chabad Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, rejected peace 
>accords with the Palestinians. Rabbi Moshe Feller, the top Chabad rabbi in 
>Minnesota, said that the rebbe taught that it is not a mitzvah to kill, but 
>that Jews do have an obligation to act in self-defense.
>
>"Jews as a whole, they try to save the lives of others," Feller told the 
>Forward, "but if it's to save our lives, then we have to do what we have to 
>do. It's a last resort."
>
>Friedman is not a fringe rabbi within the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. He was 
>the English translator for the Chabad Rebbe, and at the rebbe's urging, he 
>founded Beis Chana, a network of camps and schools for Jewish women. 
>Friedman is also a popular speaker and writer on issues of love and 
>relationships. His first book, "Doesn't Anyone Blush Anymore?" was promoted 
>with a quote from Bob Dylan, who Friedman brought to meet the rebbe.
>
>On his blog and Facebook page, Friedman's emphasis is on his sympathetic, 
>caring side. It was this reputation that made the comment in Moment so 
>surprising to Steve Hunegs, director of the Jewish Community Relations 
>Council: Minnesota and the Dakotas.
>
>"Rabbi Friedman is a best-selling author who addresses some of the most 
>sensitive issues of the time," Hunegs said. "I intend to call him and talk 
>to him about this."
>
>But Shmarya Rosenberg, a blogger and critic of Chabad who lives a few blocks 
>from Friedman in Minnesota, says that the comment in Moment is not an 
>aberration from his experiences with Friedman and many other Chabad rabbis.
>
>"What he's saying is the standard normal view of a Chabadnik," Rosenberg 
>said. "They just don't say it in public."
>
>For his part, Friedman was quick to modify the statement that he wrote in 
>Moment. He told the Forward that the line about killing women and children 
>should have been in quotes; he said it is a line from the Torah, though he 
>declined to specify from which part. Friedman also said that he was not 
>advocating for Israel to actually kill women and children. Instead, he said, 
>he believed that Israel should publicly say that it is willing to do these 
>things in order to scare Palestinians and prevent war.
>
>"If we took this policy, no one would be killed - because there would be no 
>war," Friedman said. "The same is true of the United States."
>
>Friedman did acknowledge, however, that in self-defense, the behavior he 
>talked about would be permissible.
>
>"If your children are threatened, you do whatever it takes - and you don't 
>have to apologize," he said.
>
>Friedman argued that he is different from Arab terrorists who have used 
>similar language about killing Jewish civilians.
>
>"When they say it, it's genocide, not self-defense," Friedman said. "With 
>them, it's a religious belief - they need to rid the area of us. We're not 
>saying that."
>
>Feller, the Chabad leader in Minnesota, said that the way Friedman had 
>chosen to express himself was "radical."
>
>"I love him," Feller said. "I brought him out here - he's magnificent. He's 
>brought thousands back to Torah mitzvah. But he shoots from the hip 
>sometimes."
>


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:02:29 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:0hss259cdgi4bd4ct9vka53g006n48rump@4ax.com...
>>
>> Every one of your posts shouts "mindless" and "Germanophobic".
>>
>When Johannes von Ebersdorf is concerned, all the history books he relies on 
>are published before the year 1945. He reinforces his knowledge by known 
>freed Nazi criminals´ memoirs and mass meetings held in support of people 
>like the maniac amphetamine general Schoerner( who by the way is said to 
>have killed more of his own men than Russians).
>We must remember that West Germany in the 50s and 60s was full of old Nazis 
>in high positions. That´s why most of the accused of crimes considering the 
>death of enormous number of people in West German courts got only short 
>sentences and were even released before full time.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Topi, but one needs to go pre-1933 in
books to get reasonably honest appraisals of conditions in Germany
that are free of NS propaganda and also free of postwar allied
propaganda-babble that has sought to demonize all of German history
>from the present back to Armin the Cheruskan in AD 9.

Obviously there were postwar politicians who were alive during the NS
period, but that hardly makes them "Nazi", to use an increasingly
meaningless term. The political entity known as "West Germany" was an
allied puppet state and essentially did as it was told. Your
accusations of this puppet regime of the allies being soft on former
National Socialists is preposterous.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:10:54 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:oX6Yl.30146$Db2.8710@edtnps83...
>> So you say Eugene I certainly would like to compare history books from 
>> before 1945 and after 1945. That is if Germans are allowed to see them. In 
>> the mean time you can remain a symbol of falsehood.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>
>You say Kurtus. Of course the history books are not in local bookshop, but 
>visit the local antiquariate. They are not banned. You wont get Der Sturmer 
>again with Your morning post at Your home but it can be read at:
>
>http://www.digitalnsdapdocuments.com/images/DSCovIllus.pdf
>
>In it I can compare the history what indeed happened with the history that 
>was intended to happen.
>
>Topi 

Unfortunately, Topi, the rule of law in Germany is dead and laws are
abused as instruments of allied control and subjugation in the worst
sense of the fiction book "1984".

>


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 10, 6:20 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Ich spreche ein besseres Deutshe wie du!  Aber
>> >morgen kannst du mir deine Nasse in mein arschloch stecken.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> If this is an example of your German, then you speak German like an
>> illiterate Polish peasant girl. It isn't very impressive at all.
>
>Ich wette dass dein gesicht so glenslich aus shaut wie ein Affen
>Arsch.  Ich verstehen genung Deutsch dass ich denn Bloeter truthseeker
>verstehn.   Und ich verstehen genung Deutsch dass ich weiss dass du
>ein untermensch von Canada bist.  Hofentlich ziest du zurig nach
>Newfoundland.  Die erwarten dich dort mid cod cheeks.  Und alles
>anderen sheissdreck wass sie dort essen.

Your silly diatribe has almost as many errors as it has words. Clearly
you have nothing to say.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:23:33 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jun 10, 8:35 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> "ÇDoügßT"  schreef in berichtnews:3lQXl.19537$pr6.13733@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>> >news:796s6eF1p6c9aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> >> "Truthseeker"  schreef in bericht
>> >>news:fHqXl.29921$Db2.21470@edtnps83...
>> >>> Thanks for posting it. Articles like this we will never seen in the news
>> >>> media. and all of us know who is the driving force behind it making sure
>> >>> it never reaches the public.
>> >>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >> it is about time the west is going to support the palestinians against
>> >> the cruel occupations of the jews. half of what is happeningto the poor
>> >> palestinians does not reach us.
>>
>> > Then maybe you won't mind if Israel deports all your muslime
>> > brothers to Europe or the Netherlands then?
>> >we have more than enough of those people already. i want to suggest they
>> >are sent to california since the climate their is very much the same as in
>> >the original country- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>we don't want them. Send them to Antarctica..

Why not send the Jewish Israelis there instead, or does that grate
against your inherent racism?



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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:50:10 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 11, 4:58 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
> wrote:
>
>> What atrocity. Dresden was a legitimate
>> target as was any and all other cities
>> in germany. Germany was at war, Dresden
>> was part of Germany.

Dresden was an allied war crime, as were all the other attacks against
civilian targets in major German cities.

>>
>> Not to mention that it was a major
>> transportation hub,

LOL

Relative to what?

In any case, those facilities were not damaged. Trains were running on
schedule through Dresden at latest one day after the attack.

> and had quite a bit
>> of armament production.

Dresden was never an industrial town, either then or now. Besides,
those sorts of facilities were not to be found in the inner city, the
area that was the target of the attack.


>>
>> Do try harder next time
>>
>>  It is the same false logic
>>
>
>Germany through its leaders decided on a regime of invading
>independent countries by playing the USSR against Britain.
>Poland was their error.
>The German regime subjected the world to a total war juggernaut that
>wasn't stopped until the Channel and North Africa.
>From then on they 'reaped the whirlwind'.
>The USSR military bled them dry in the east and the bombers destroyed
>them from the west.
>In 1944 the German leaders knew the jig was up and should have
>surrendered then.
>That they didn't led to Europe starving until VE Day and if it hadn't
>been for the Allies providing food and materials to Europe after VE
>Day it would have been a tragedy on a scale not seen before.

Actually, George, you're as far off the mark as "I'll always be". The
postwar shortages in Germany were artificially induced by the allies,
who deliberately prevented international relief agencies from entering
Germany until 1947. The several million starvation deaths were
deliberate allied policy. As a result, to this day, I rejoice every
time I hear of an American death in Afghanistan, Iraq, or wherever
else they are busy oppressing people. It couldn't happen to more
deserving people.

>
>


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:55:52 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>
>"I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-55A5EB.09545610062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <7996mbF1pnsa9U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-6710FA.23060909062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <798qhkF1p20leU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>> >
>>> > Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>>> > February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>>> > and barbarism began against a
>>> > defenceless German city
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yet Guernica and Rotterdam mean nothing
>>> > to you filth
>>>
>>> in holland more people died of american bombings than by german bombings
>>
>> Teach you to wave nazi flags
>no idiot that was because of the poor knowledge of geography you imbeciles 
>have 

Murder by remote control has always been an American coward's approach
to warfare.

Witness Afghanistan, where brain-dead American "heroes" attack wedding
parties and elementary schools from the air and then stupidly wonder
why they get a hostile reception from the survivors on the ground.


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:09:29 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-EA0245.10043610062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <79a6spF1q0m0qU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-55A5EB.09545610062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <7996mbF1pnsa9U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in
>>> >> bericht
>>> >> news:aussies_suck-6710FA.23060909062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > <798qhkF1p20leU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>>> >> > February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>>> >> > and barbarism began against a
>>> >> > defenceless German city
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yet Guernica and Rotterdam mean nothing
>>> >> > to you filth
>>> >>
>>> >> in holland more people died of american bombings than by german 
>>> >> bombings
>>> >
>>> > Teach you to wave nazi flags
>>> no idiot that was because of the poor knowledge of geography you 
>>> imbeciles
>>> have
>>
>> How in the world could anyone mistake
>> holland for anything other than holland.
>> Especially with all of your people
>> waving nazi flags
>
>nonsense it was mainly because of those cowardly us airment who dropped the 
>bombs any place any where because they were afraid of the heavyanti aircraft 
>guns of the germand and made a u turn asap 

Americans are only impressive if they have a massive advantage in
numbers and materials over their opponents. That is why countries such
as Haiti or Guatemala are their favourite adversaries.



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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:56:51 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>And the Jews say it only took the Germans 15 minutes to cremate a Jewish 
>body. If you can make it in 15 seconds it will be a world record.

To make their number claims work, Jewish corpses had to go up in
milliseconds, much as if they consisted of gun-powder rather than
water-logged animal cells.

>kk
>
>"I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-B1A611.23412709062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <934051d4-54c0-4b7a-846b-456e356a0ede@z1
>> 4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>> parris_k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 10 Juni, 06:18, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> > http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Where are the bodies? What about the exaggerated and oft-
>>> revised death toll? What about the ludicrous claims made by
>>> eyewitnesses about flames 20.000 feet high an people bursting into
>>> flames? (observed by other people nearby who miraculously didn't!)
>>>
>>> It's clearly a hoax, an attempt by the Germans to extort sympathy and
>>> Marshall Plan money from the US. I bet you can't even prove there WAS
>>> a place called Dresden pre 1945.
>>>
>>> Wake up, sheeple!
>>
>> I like von ebes claim that bodies were
>> shrunk to the size of dolls. 
>


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 10, 2:41 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <934051d4-54c0-4b7a-846b-456e356a0ede@z1
>> 4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>  parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On 10 Juni, 06:18, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> > >http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> > Nonsense. Where are the bodies? What about the exaggerated and oft-
>> > revised death toll? What about the ludicrous claims made by
>> > eyewitnesses about flames 20.000 feet high an people bursting into
>> > flames? (observed by other people nearby who miraculously didn't!)
>>
>> > It's clearly a hoax, an attempt by the Germans to extort sympathy and
>> > Marshall Plan money from the US. I bet you can't even prove there WAS
>> > a place called Dresden pre 1945.
>>
>> > Wake up, sheeple!
>>
>> I like von ebes claim that bodies were
>> shrunk to the size of dolls.
>
>von ebes is an idiot.

He is a genius compared to Sherry. According to his school records,
were you to collect 1000 people at random from the street, his IQ
would rank in the top three whereas poor Sherry would rank in the
bottom three, at least if her command of German is any guide.

>  But think about it.  A human being experiences
>extreme temperatures.  His water boils.  It escapes as steam.  He
>shrinks.  To the size of dolls?  I don't know but the person shrinks.
>It makes sense.  Also it depends on the size of the doll in question.

A variety of Indian tribes in South American seem to have had no
problem producing shrunken heads to wear around their belts as
trophies. I wasn't personally alive at the time, but I know several
people who had the unpleasant job of collecting these remains. It is
much more probable that mcvay/mcfee & co are lying than that these
friends of my parents are lying.




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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 10, 2:41 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <934051d4-54c0-4b7a-846b-456e356a0ede@z1
>> 4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>  parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On 10 Juni, 06:18, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> > >http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> > Nonsense. Where are the bodies? What about the exaggerated and oft-
>> > revised death toll? What about the ludicrous claims made by
>> > eyewitnesses about flames 20.000 feet high an people bursting into
>> > flames? (observed by other people nearby who miraculously didn't!)
>>
>> > It's clearly a hoax, an attempt by the Germans to extort sympathy and
>> > Marshall Plan money from the US. I bet you can't even prove there WAS
>> > a place called Dresden pre 1945.

Dresden was a flourishing city at least four centures before Columbus
sailed for the new world. Many of the buildings damaged in the
downtown by the allied terror-attack had stood since before the
founding of the USA in 1776.

>>
>> > Wake up, sheeple!
>>
>> I like von ebes claim that bodies were
>> shrunk to the size of dolls.
>
>von ebes is an idiot.  But think about it.  A human being experiences
>extreme temperatures.  His water boils.  It escapes as steam.  He
>shrinks.  To the size of dolls?  I don't know but the person shrinks.
>It makes sense.  Also it depends on the size of the doll in question.


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:16:49 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:798qhkF1p20leU1@mid.individual.net...
>> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>
>How many milliions of people died in Dresden Heine? 
>
The immediate postwar tally was 0.202 million. For years, the official
allied figure was 35,000, obtained by the Russians simply taking off
the "1" in front of the tally of human remains recovered.

If one takes the allied figures seriously, then the survival rate was
(100 x (1E6 - 35000))/(1E6) = 96.5%. Either Dresdeners are incredibly
tough people or allied bombing efforts are so trivial that a simple
sun-umbrella would be enough to ward off the effects.

Experiences in other German cities, many of which had much better
protection for their citizens than did Dresden, show that survival
rates tended to be in the area of 45% to 55% in areas subjected to a
fire-storm, not 96.5%. Assuming a survival rate of 55%, then the death
toll would have been 450,000.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:26:28 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
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>On Jun 9, 9:18 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>
>the city has been rebuilt, has it not?

As much has been restored as was possible, although countless
irreplaceable treasures have been lost in this mindless bout of
vandalism.


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:02:09 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>BRUSSELS - Jewish groups across Europe reacted to far-right gains in the 
>European parliamentary elections by urging the EU on Tuesday to do more to 
>tackle racism and intolerance.

They really need to clean up right-wing crackpottery in Israel before
worrying about European affairs.

>
>The European Jewish Congress, which represents Jewish communities across 
>Europe, said winning seats in the European Parliament based on "racist, 
>anti-Semitic and xenophobic platforms" pointed to an erosion of tolerance.
>
>Results of voting for a new European Union assembly showed that far-right 
>parties in the Netherlands, Britain, Austria, Hungary, Denmark and Romania 
>posted significant victories.
>
>In a statement, the Paris-based Jewish Congress called that a "clarion call" 
>for the EU to tackle racism and intolerance through legislation and 
>dialogue.
>
>"Europeans of all backgrounds, ethnicities and religions are looking to our 
>elected officials to unite, rather than divide us," it said.
>
>The congress also said the victory of groups using racist and xenophobic 
>platforms "belies a disturbing acquiescence of government to this type of 
>incitement and a need for immediate action and education."
>
>It said it was troubled by the fact that far-right forces did better than in 
>the last EU assembly elections in 2004 and that they were scattered across 
>the 27-nation EU.
>
>"The success of such rabid groups as The Freedom Party in the Netherlands, 
>the Freedom Party in Austria, the Danish People's Party, the British 
>National Party, and Jobbik in Hungary, among others, will sadly only serve 
>to embolden those who espouse the dangerous concepts of extreme nationalism, 
>racism, anti-Semitism and xenophobia," the congress said.
>
>It urged the European Parliament and the European Commission, the EU 
>executive, to work for effective anti-racism legislation.
>
>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/int...osition=recent 


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:34:44 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>The German government is alarmed at a weekend of local elections which saw 
>neo-Nazis propelled into power in towns and cities across the country.
>
>Right-wingers seized council seats in many major urban centres as the 
>recession bites and anti-foreigner sentiment increases.
>
>Berlin, acutely aware of Germany's past when the world's last major 
>recession opened the window for Adolf Hitler and his supporters, is 
>thrashing around for a solution to the burgeoning allure of the extremists, 
>particularly among the young.
>
>In the east German cities of Leipzig, Dresden, Weimar, Schwerin, Rostock and 
>Erfurt the main neo-Nazi party the National Democratic Party of Germany 
>(NPD) won seats in all councils. In Parthenstein in Saxony the NPD candidate 
>tied with his centre-left social democratic opponent - but then won the 
>vacant seat by drawing straws with his rival.
>
>In the state of Thuringia the NPD seized 21 seats, in Saxony 73, trebling 
>their numbers from the last elections in 2004. In Mecklenburg-Western 
>Pomerania it now has representatives in most local councils.
>
>In the wealthy western Saarland the NPD won seats in the city councils of 
>Saarbruecken and Völklingen. In Saarbücken the party won 1.9 per cent of the 
>votes, in Völklingen 4.6 per cent, and in the ancient Roman city of Trier 
>they won their first seat in the city parliament.
>
>'The local elections of 2009 are a signal that the NPD, at least in most of 
>eastern Germany, is now a fixture on the landscape,' said the Der Spiegel 
>news magazine. 

I guess we need to take Spiegel's word on it that the NPD is in fact
"neo-Nazi" or merely a cousin of the American Republicans. The
American Republicans would definitely be outlawed in Germany as
"neo-Nazi".

The term "neo-Nazi" is almost as loosely used in present-day Germany
as it is on this newsgroup. In both places, the term has been reduced
to practical meaninglessness.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:31:41 -0700 (PDT), mirjam 
wrote:

>On Jun 11, 10:37 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026508.php
>
> Netherlands
>The Netherlands was one of the few countries occupied by Germany where
>soldiers were allowed to have relationships with local women. The
>Dutch Institute for War Documentation originally estimated that around
>10,000 children were born to German fathers during the occupation.
>However, recent figures based on records at the archives of the German
>Wehrmacht (name of the German armed forces from 1935-45) indicate that
>the real number could be as high as 50,000.[12]
>
>herr Heinrich
>Might this be the explnation to your  Anti semitic behaviour ?

Are you advancing the crackpot theory that being anti-Jewish is
genetic?



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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:31:55 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>
>"mirjam"  schreef in bericht 
>news:bb96ddbd-6bfb-4c19-827e-39b25f2e9097@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 11, 10:37 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026508.php
>
> Netherlands
>The Netherlands was one of the few countries occupied by Germany where
>soldiers were allowed to have relationships with local women. The
>Dutch Institute for War Documentation originally estimated that around
>10,000 children were born to German fathers during the occupation.
>However, recent figures based on records at the archives of the German
>Wehrmacht (name of the German armed forces from 1935-45) indicate that
>the real number could be as high as 50,000.[12]
>
>herr Heinrich
>Might this be the explnation to your  Anti semitic behaviour ?
>
>i was not even born by that time so i think you are wrong again 

Most of the mcvay/mcfee clique grasp at straws to make their feeble
points.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 11:15 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 10, 2:41 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
>> > wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <934051d4-54c0-4b7a-846b-456e356a0ede@z1
>> >> 4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> >>  parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > On 10 Juni, 06:18, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> > >http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >> > Nonsense. Where are the bodies? What about the exaggerated and oft-
>> >> > revised death toll? What about the ludicrous claims made by
>> >> > eyewitnesses about flames 20.000 feet high an people bursting into
>> >> > flames? (observed by other people nearby who miraculously didn't!)
>>
>> >> > It's clearly a hoax, an attempt by the Germans to extort sympathy and
>> >> > Marshall Plan money from the US. I bet you can't even prove there WAS
>> >> > a place called Dresden pre 1945.
>>
>> >> > Wake up, sheeple!
>>
>> >> I like von ebes claim that bodies were
>> >> shrunk to the size of dolls.
>>
>> >von ebes is an idiot.
>>
>> He is a genius compared to Sherry. According to his school records,
>> were you to collect 1000 people at random from the street, his IQ
>> would rank in the top three whereas poor Sherry would rank in the
>> bottom three, at least if her command of German is any guide.
>>
>
>You got proof of this?

Yes. The Ontario Ministry of Education keeps everything.

> No?  Didn't think so.

You don't think at all, so why should you be expected to think about
this?

> Knowing foreign
>languages is hardly an indicator of IQ you moron.

That is actually true, but then you claimed to speak it better than
the natives and that is clearly false.

> Having said that we
>both know that my German is good enough.

"Good enough" is a rather subjective term. It would not be considered
good enough for a grade one pupil in Germany and the person would fail
his school program.

>You can't lay down a point
>so you attack my German speaking abilities.

You have yet to put down a point that anybody can discuss.

>Let us all know when you
>come up with something tangible.

Be my guest.

>
>> >  But think about it.  A human being experiences
>> >extreme temperatures.  His water boils.  It escapes as steam.  He
>> >shrinks.  To the size of dolls?  I don't know but the person shrinks.
>> >It makes sense.  Also it depends on the size of the doll in question.
>>
>> A variety of Indian tribes in South American seem to have had no
>> problem producing shrunken heads to wear around their belts as
>> trophies. I wasn't personally alive at the time, but I know several
>> people who had the unpleasant job of collecting these remains. It is
>> much more probable that mcvay/mcfee & co are lying than that these
>> friends of my parents are lying.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:55:28 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
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>On Jun 11, 11:51 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:26:28 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 9, 9:18 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >>http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >the city has been rebuilt, has it not?
>>
>> As much has been restored as was possible, although countless
>> irreplaceable treasures have been lost in this mindless bout of
>> vandalism.
>
>Hitler shouldn't have started the war.

He didn't. He was snookered by the allies, much like Saddam in more
recent decades. There was nothing Hitler could have done to prevent
the outbreak of WW2. The decision for war was made in London and in
Washington.

>He should have been content
>with what he had.

Even had Germany been prepared to accept the allied thefts that had
already occurred by 1939, it is most probable that the allies would
just return to the trough and demand more. The allies hadn't conquered
the world by being nice guys and by being peaceful and reasonable. The
USA and the UK are two of the most aggressive, vicious, and warlike
states that have ever existed in human history. There appetite for
what belongs to others is insatiable.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:00:09 -0700 (PDT), NefeshBarYochai
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 7:40 am, Nomen Nescio  wrote:
>> 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 Compliance Notice
>> All of the models, actors, actresses and other persons that appear in any visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct appearing or otherwise contained in the following Website were over the age of eighteen years at the time of the creation of such depictions.
>>
>> All other visual depictions displayed on this Website are exempt from the provision of 18 U.S.C. section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 because said visual depictions do not consist of depictions of conduct as specifically listed in 18 U.S.C section 2256 (2) (A) through (D), but are merely depictions of non-sexually explicit nudity, or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct, or are otherwise exempt because the visual depictions were created prior to July 3, 1995.
>>
>> With respect to all visual depictions displayed on this website, whether of actual sexually explicit conduct, simulated sexual content or otherwise, all persons in said visual depictions were at least 18 years of age when said visual depictions were created.
>>
>> The Custodian of Records for this Website can be contacted at:
>> BabesBank
>>
>> Habonim 27/446
>> Ashdod 71366
>> Israel
>> webmas...@emily18.com
>
>Nomen Nescio?  Isn't that some kind of Latin term that means the Pope
>is a queer?

No, bozo, it is a convoluted Latin way of saying "No Name" or
"anonymous".


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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:41:21 -0700 (PDT), Kayid Al-Kuffar
 wrote:

>Few of our trolls are missing...
>
>it is very quiet here since few of our trolls are missing, and since
>in the past at least two of them have made a clumsy, embarrassed
>departure (only to creep back sheepishly mere days later) I'm rather
>concerned at these eremptory departures, unannounced and unexplained.
>I have assumption that maybe they get restraining orders,
>incarceration, heart-attacks, committed suicide, admission to mental
>hospital, murder and mayhem: so I'm always vaguely relieved when one
>or any of them reappears, even if it's just for the same old same old
>tricks such forgeries and spam.
>
>A List of Missing Trolls
>
>"RBRK" ip 216.77.188.18
>"Mitchell Holman"  ip 216.196.97.131
>"juno Forger" ip 67.73.167.2
>"Sirknight67" ip  69.232.69.193
>"yaako forger" ip 218.26.240.242
>"saix.net imposter" ip 196.43.2.61
>"daveonline1969" ip 148.233.159.58
>
>and
>
>A set of anti-Islam trolls missing in action
>
>1)- ip 203.118.36.59  Singapore
>2)- ipP 24.20.174.247 comcast.net Vancouver,  Washington, USA
>3)- ip 88.191.28.23 dedibox.fr France
>4)- ip 87.106.27.17 schlund.de Germany
>5)- ip 196.207.40.212 vodacom.co.za South Africa
>6)- ip 72.228.47.177 rr.com Albany, New York, USA
>7)- ip 85.234.130.43 poundhost.com UK
>8)- ip 41.208.48.1  mtn.co.za South Africa
>9)- ip 213.100.46.210 swipnet.se Sweden
>10)- ip 218.26.80.242 yaako.com China
>11)- ip 216.224.124.124 ethr.net. Chicago,  Illinois, USA
>12)- ip 204.13.236.244 nnfiber.net  Chicago, Illinois, USA
>13)- ip 72.21.50.94 layeredtech.com  Alexandria,  Virginia, USA
>14)- ip 208.64.36.68 waveform.net  Waterford, Michigan, USA
>15)- ip 128.2.141.33 andrew.cmu.edu  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
>16)- ip 80.78.230.135  globalcore.net Vienna, Austria
>17)- ip 212.112.241.44 IPX-Server-NET Berlin, Germany
>18)- ip 71.240.209.125  verizon.net  State College, Pennsylvania, USA
>19)- ip 81.233.3.224 tbcn.telia.com  Stockholm Sweden
>20)- ip 67.18.176.114 theplanet.com USA
>21)- ip 81.197.74.247  elisa.fi  Tampere Finland
>
>
>Notice that most anti-Islam trolls activities originated from
>news2.kornet.net ,  SEOL, SOUTH KOREA
>
>
>Kornet.net is the mother of all spam, scam and identity theft!!!

Why would Koreans have an agenda against Muslims? Most Koreans would
not have any exposure to Muslims, although I suppose that the current
avalanche of anti-Islamic propaganda is going to have its effect even
in distant places.


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On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:26:25 -0500, JMD Morgan 
wrote:

>CAIR: Minn. Rabbi Says Kill Arab 'Men, Women and Children'
>
>Muslim, Jewish groups ask political and religious leaders to repudiate
>rabbi's call to 'genocide'
>
>ST. PAUL, Minn., June 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Minnesota chapter
>of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-MN) today joined with
>two Jewish groups in asking political and religious leaders in that
>state to repudiate a rabbi's call to kill Arab men, women and children
>and to destroy their religious sites.
>
>In an article in the latest issue of "Moment" magazine, headlined "How
>Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?" Rabbi Manis Friedman of the
>Bais Chana Institute of Jewish Studies in St. Paul, Minn., wrote in part:
>
>"I don't believe in western morality, i.e. don't kill civilians or
>children, don't destroy holy sites, don't fight during holiday seasons,
>don't bomb cemeteries, don't shoot until they shoot first because it is
>immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy
>their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle) ... with
>their holy sites destroyed, they will stop believing that G-d is on
>their side."
>
>SEE: How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?
>
>http://www.momentmag.com/Exclusive/2009/2009-06/200906-Ask_Rabbis.html
>
>The magazine today published a statement from Rabbi Friedman that the
>views he expressed were his own and "do not represent the official
>policy of any Jewish movement or organization." He apologized for "any
>misunderstanding the words printed in my name created."
>
>"This disturbing call to genocide and religious desecration must be
>repudiated by all Minnesotans who value peaceful coexistence and
>interfaith harmony," said CAIR-MN Communications Director Jessica Zikri.
>"Silence in the face of such extremist views will only serve to give the
>author a false sense of legitimacy and approval."
>
>Zikri said she appreciated the more moderate responses from some of the
>other rabbis consulted by the magazine.
>
>In a statement, Cecilie Surasky of Jewish Voice for Peace said: "Rabbi
>Manis Friedman's outrageous suggestion that killing Arab men, women and
>children, and destroying their religious sites is 'the Jewish way' is an
>affront to all people, but especially Jews who value all life equally.
>While his statement in no way represents the views of the vast majority
>of Jews, we are alarmed by the increasing numbers of extremist settlers
>in Israel, and their American supporters, who share his refusal to
>acknowledge the value of Palestinian and Arab life. Far from bringing
>peace and security to Jews, this abhorrent disregard for the lives of
>non-Jews only leads to more bloodshed and war."

Indeed, it could very well set in motion events that will result in
the total destruction of the world's Jews who make up only 15 million
of the world's more than 6000 million people. People like Friedman
endanger the lives of all Jews around the world with their shrill
hatred and crackpottery.

>
>Rabbi Haim Beliak, executive director of the national educational
>foundation HaMifgash, said: "The original quote and the apology by Manis
>Friedman suggest a debased morality and an atrophied ethical
>sensibility. Friedman does not speak for Judaism. There is no Judaism
>where neighbors - Jewish and non-Jewish - are treated without regard to
>their status as fellow human beings. Jewish ethics reminds us that we
>owe 'the other' infinite obligations of care and concern, not only in
>theory but in practice. In war and peace, the status of civilians and
>innocent bystanders must be respected."
>
>CAIR, America's largest Islamic civil liberties and advocacy group has
>35 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to
>enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil
>liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote
>justice and mutual understanding.
>
>CONTACT: CAIR-MN Communications Director Jessica Zikri, 612-226-3289,
>E-Mail: jzikri@cair.com; CAIR-MN Civil Rights Director Taneeza Islam,
>Esq., 651-587-4712, E-Mail: tislam@cair.com; CAIR National
>Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper, 202-488-8787 or 202-744-7726,
>E-Mail: ihooper@cair.com


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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:10:03 -0600, "Greg Carr "
 wrote:

>A farmer in Alberta Canada has finally killed off his entire herd of 3,000 pigs,
>more than a month after his herd were known to have swine flu.
>
>Federal and provincial officials finally decided to exterminate his infected
>herd only last week, a month after they knew of the infection.
>
>The inactivity of the governments involved is similar to that when 
>MAD COW was also being spread by farmers in Alberta Canada.
>
>Countries should seriously consider banning meat from Canada,
>until such time as the Canadian government has enough food inspectors,
>who actually close down infected facilities, instead of allowing infected food!
>
>In the meantime, perhaps it will be wise, to AVOID BUYING ANY MEAT 
>ORIGINALLY FROM CANADA

Swine flu is not transmitted via pork. You are doing the usual
mindless fear-mongering exercise of people who understand nothing of
the topic at hand.


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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:33:25 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
 wrote:

>On Jun 8, 12:28 pm, Abbie Hoffman  wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2009, Al Smith  wrote:
>> >On 6/8/2009 12:49 PM, JMD Morgan wrote:
>> >> Israel facing hundreds of war crime lawsuits
>> >> Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:21:42 GMT
>>
>> >> Israel could soon be charged with hundreds of war crimes as Palestinian
>> >> lawyers file 936 lawsuits against the Israeli military five months after
>> >> its three week war on Gaza.
>>
>> >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=97297§ionid=351020202
>>
>> >Am I the only one who needs to point this out? Palestinian dudes,
>> >you are launching lawsuits against Jews. You know, where they make
>> >all the lawyers? Your Palestinian lawyers haven't got a hope in
>> >hell. You might as well try to win a game of hoops against Michael
>> >Jordan. Waste of time.
>>
>> >-Al-
>>
>>   Good comparison.  The antichrist shyster snake Ersatz jew pigs own and
>> control all things ZOG.  All the politicians.  The police.  The prisons.
>> The courts.  The military.  The corporations.  Everything and just about
>> every "goy" in the "westernized" antichrist ZOG pig world.  Though most
>> "goys" are not aware that they have been brainwashed from their youth and
>> are controlled by the worthless fiat jewsury based currencies of the ZOG
>> pig jewsury based so called "economy" in which most "goys" are enslaved
>> and in perpetual debt to the filthy ZOG jew pig demon company store.
>>
>   You are a Nazi.

Poor Michael has a very limited vocabulary.

Abbie Hoffman is clearly anti-Jewish, but that is not quite the same
thing as Nazi, which was a political movement of a particular time and
place and which is not transferable to 2009.

>
>   As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
>
>   You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know
>you can not measure up.
>
>   You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
>betters.
>
>   You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
>tell it.
>
>   You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
>out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of
>National
>Socialism.
>
>   Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
>Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor
>children as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent
>adults in a consensually sexual
>way.  You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be
>it a prepubescent
>boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.
>
>   That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or
>honest about it.
>
> Michael


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:48:31 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
 wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:02:45 -0600, DeoVindice 
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:24:19 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea 
>>wrote:
>>>On Tue,  9 Jun 2009 13:25:38 +0100 (BST), Anonymous 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Canada Swine Flu Herd Finally Killed-Late,Just Like with MAD COW Cover-Up
>>>>
>>>>A farmer in Alberta Canada has finally killed off his entire herd of 3,000 pigs,
>>>>more than a month after his herd were known to have swine flu.
>>>>
>>>>Federal and provincial officials finally decided to exterminate his infected herd 
>>>>only last week, a month after they knew of the infection.
>>>>
>>>>The inactivity of the governments involved is similar to that when 
>>>>MAD COW was also being spread by farmers in Alberta Canada.
>>>>
>>>>Countries should seriously consider banning meat from Canada,
>>>>until such time as the Canadian government has enough food inspectors,
>>>>who actually close down infected facilities, instead of allowing infected food!
>>
>>>>In the meantime, perhaps it will be wise, to AVOID BUYING ANY MEAT 
>>>>ORIGINALLY FROM CANADA
>>
>>>>It is probably prudent, to avoid buying, or eating any pork product 
>>>>from Canada, including at McDonalds.
>>
>>>Swine flu is not transmitted by pork.  The Canadian government did
>>>what it did to salve the fear of idiots like you.
>>
>>Tell that to all those victims who have died, all around the world, including
>>Canuck natives.
>
>
>Cite one piece of evidence that Swine Flu is transmitted from pigs to
>humans. If not, go back to your trailer and cook your pork chops.

The pigs were recovering from their bout with flu, and one cannot
catch the flu from bacon, so the slaughter was a propaganda exercise
designed to appease the ignorant. That is the trouble with having
brain-dead Tories in power.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:36:51 -0600, PV  wrote:

>Canada Swine Flu Herd Finally Killed-Late,Just Like with MAD COW Cover-Up
>
>A farmer in Alberta Canada has finally killed off his entire herd of 3,000 pigs,
>more than a month after his herd were known to have swine flu.
>
>Federal and provincial officials finally decided to exterminate his infected
>herd only last week, a month after they knew of the infection.
>
>The inactivity of the governments involved is similar to that when 
>MAD COW was also being spread by farmers in Alberta Canada.
>
>Countries should seriously consider banning meat from Canada,
>until such time as the Canadian government has enough food inspectors,
>who actually close down infected facilities, instead of allowing infected food!
>
>In the meantime, perhaps it will be wise, to AVOID BUYING ANY MEAT 
>ORIGINALLY FROM CANADA
>
>It is probably prudent, to avoid buying, or eating any pork product 
>from Canada, including at McDonalds.

The flu cannot be caught from bacon or other meat products from pigs.

This was a Tory propaganda exercise intended to appease the ignorant.


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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:34:21 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
 wrote:

>JMD Morgan wrote:
>> Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May-June 2009, pages 54-55
>>
>> Israel and Judaism
>> American Jewish Leaders Accused of Silence In the Face of Growing
>> Racism in Israel
>> By Allan C. Brownfeld
>>
>> Israel’s Feb. 10 election saw the rise of Avignor Lieberman’s extreme
>> right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party. As Newsweek described it: “...the
>> big winner turned out to be ultranationalist Avignor Lieberman, who
>> considers Israel’s Arabs a dangerous fifth column and favors
>> separating Arab and Jewish populations. Doves dismiss his plans as
>> racist, but according to one recent poll, a solid majority of
>> Israelis—60 percent—now favor ‘encouraging’ Arabs to leave the
>> country.”
>.............."SNIP"........................
>
>It is perfectly obvious to any normal person looking in to the Israeli and 
>Palestinian situation from the outside, with no preconceived beliefs due to 
>Catholic church or any other teachings, that the Jews in Israel and most 
>other places, are NOT racist at all. In fact, they themselves are the 
>victims of acute racism from Hamas, Palestinians, Hesbollah and the Arab 
>world in general who have expressed their wish to exterminate Israel 
>competely and take it over for themselves. Sadly, there are so many 
>intellectually defective clowns about they see a conspiracy theory 
>everywhere they look and try to cloud a plain fact. The Jews are defending 
>themselves from attack. That is all. If the Arabs are causing problems in 
>Israel due to internal attacks, then of course they have to be ejected 
>forthwith. Plain sense.

Hitler couldn't have stated the position any better. Congratulations,
Harry, on having put together a demented racist diatribe.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:18:57 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:ml5235l0ejp3sct1010e1mp0u9j0d1fo24@4ax.com...
>>
>
>Sorry to You
>
>The German forces attacked from Poland to White Russia, the Baltic states, 
>White Russia and Ukraine . On the way all jews were killed. You can not 
>explain it otherwise.

Clearly not even a small percentage of the Jews along that route were
killed, since the bulk of the population of Israel consists of Polish
and Russian Jews.

>
>Topi 
>


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:02:24 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Interesting and how many countries did America attack in the last 80 years.

The allegedly "peace loving" USA has been involved in military
altercations against one or more opponents every year of its miserable
existence. That is a hell of a lot of wars since 1776, more than any
other country on earth. The USA is the definition of evil. There isn't
a country in north or south American that hasn't been invaded at least
once by the "peace loving" USA. The vast bulk of U.S. territory is
land stolen from its neighbours, especially Mexico. The USA is simply
bad news and its ultimate demise is something to greet with
enthusiasm.


>KK
>
>"Toivo Kottarainen"  wrote in message 
>news:4a313c81$0$6268$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
>>
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>> viestissä:ml5235l0ejp3sct1010e1mp0u9j0d1fo24@4ax.com...
>>>
>>
>> Sorry to You
>>
>> The German forces attacked from Poland to White Russia, the Baltic states, 
>> White Russia and Ukraine . On the way all jews were killed. You can not 
>> explain it otherwise.
>>
>> Topi
>> 
>


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:38:01 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 11/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-54081D.10344211062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> > com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:26:28 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Jun 9, 9:18 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>> >
>>> >the city has been rebuilt, has it not?
>>>
>>> As much has been restored as was possible, although countless
>>> irreplaceable treasures have been lost in this mindless bout of
>>> vandalism.
>>
>> Yes, Paris is still suffering from the
>> vandalism and theft of the nazis.

The only damage in Paris was caused by the allies, who actually bombed
the city for their own narrow military goals.

>So is
>> Warsaw, Leningrad and Stalingrad.

All of these were cities under siege, so the bombardments were in
accord with international law and the various warfare conventions.

>
>suggest you go back to bed because what you post at this moment is complete 
>bullshit 

Bullshit is the specialty of "I'll always be".


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:04:11 -0700 (PDT), "nomer.23"
<23nomer23@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 12, 2:41 am, Sven Schrodt  wrote:
>> Truthseeker schrieb:
>>
>> > Der Opa braucht ja gar kein Nazi sein
>>
>> Och? Auch wenn er kein Nazi ist, kann man ihm Antisemitismus doch wohl
>> nachweisen, wenn man man liest, was der so von sich gibt.
>>
>> > aber für Jüdische Schlagzeilen ist so etwas wichtig.
>>
>> Achso: alle Medien die über ihn und seine Vergangenheit berichtet haben
>> sind 'jüdisch'?
>>
>> salam  & Glückauf
>>
>> Sven
>>
>> --
>> "If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your
>> vocabulary."
>> [Malcolm X.]
>
>http://www.kli.org/
>shtop polluting de.soc.politik.misc wihs klingonian shpik some
>inglish, please!

I always suspected that Klingons were English-speaking and with a
culture to match.


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:29:50 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
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>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:046235l5uheucirsod08mmpgms9gket6rs@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:10:54 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Truthseeker"  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:oX6Yl.30146$Db2.8710@edtnps83...
>>>> So you say Eugene I certainly would like to compare history books from
>>>> before 1945 and after 1945. That is if Germans are allowed to see them. 
>>>> In
>>>> the mean time you can remain a symbol of falsehood.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You say Kurtus. Of course the history books are not in local bookshop, but
>>>visit the local antiquariate. They are not banned. You wont get Der 
>>>Sturmer
>>>again with Your morning post at Your home but it can be read at:
>>>
>>>http://www.digitalnsdapdocuments.com/images/DSCovIllus.pdf
>>>
>>>In it I can compare the history what indeed happened with the history that
>>>was intended to happen.
>>>
>>>Topi
>>
>> Unfortunately, Topi, the rule of law in Germany is dead and laws are
>> abused as instruments of allied control and subjugation in the worst
>> sense of the fiction book "1984".
>
>Tell me what laws in Germany today are abused as instruments of allied 
>control ?
>
>Topi 
>
Freedom of speech and assembly are bad jokes in today's Germany.
Anybody who expresses any doubt about the accuracy of the allied
propaganda version of history is liable to find himself arrested.

There is a veritable witch-hunt in progress against dissidents who do
not tow the official line. It is pathetic.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 12:05 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:31:55 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"mirjam"  schreef in bericht
>> >news:bb96ddbd-6bfb-4c19-827e-39b25f2e9097@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> >On Jun 11, 10:37 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >>http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026508.php
>>
>> > Netherlands
>> >The Netherlands was one of the few countries occupied by Germany where
>> >soldiers were allowed to have relationships with local women. The
>> >Dutch Institute for War Documentation originally estimated that around
>> >10,000 children were born to German fathers during the occupation.
>> >However, recent figures based on records at the archives of the German
>> >Wehrmacht (name of the German armed forces from 1935-45) indicate that
>> >the real number could be as high as 50,000.[12]
>>
>> >herr Heinrich
>> >Might this be the explnation to your  Anti semitic behaviour ?
>>
>> >i was not even born by that time so i think you are wrong again
>>
>> Most of the mcvay/mcfee clique grasp at straws to make their feeble
>> points.
>
>You attack people who do not have a Phd in German.  That trait of
>yours shows anality up your ass.

Actually, the acronym is PhD, so even your English leaves a lot to be
desired.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 2:04 pm, I'll Always Be 11/06/09
> wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1078529/WW2-Dresden...
>> ed-far-fewer-people-half-million-new-reco
>> rds-show.html
>>
>> By Allan Hall
>> Last updated at 10:55 AM on 20th October
>> 2008
>>
>> For more than 60 years Britain's Bomber
>> Command led by Arthur 'Bomber' Harris
>> has been vilified for causing up to
>> 500,000 deaths in the carpet bombing of
>> Dresden during World War II.
>>
>> But now, after a four-year
>> investigation, a panel of German
>> historians has said that the true number
>> of dead from the Allied air raids in
>> January 1945 was between 18,000 and
>> 25,000.
>>
>> They reached the figure after combing
>> through death certificates, hitherto
>> sealed eyewitness reports, registration
>> cards for people made homeless and
>> hospital records.
>>
>> It now emerges that the high number of
>> deaths from 'Operation Thunderclap' was
>> a myth invented by the Nazis,
>> perpetuated by Communists and re-born in
>> the past decade to serve the aims of
>> ultra-nationalists.
>>
>> The myth took form barely after the
>> vapour trails of the bombers disappeared
>> in the skies over the city.
>> Dresden lies in ruins in the aftermath
>> of bomber Harris' bombing raid
>>
>> Dresden lies in ruins after the Allied
>> bombing raid in January 1945
>>
>> It suited the Nazi propaganda machine to
>> claim that half-a-million women and
>> children had been incinerated in the
>> firestorm. It helped persuade a
>> struggling population that this was
>> awaited them all unless they fought for
>> Nazism with their last breath.
>>
>> Then the Communist East Germans
>> perpetuated the myth, mindful that it
>> served their purposes by showing the
>> destructiveness of capitalism and
>> fascism combined.
>>
>> In the last decade neo-Nazis have sought
>> to keep the lie alive as they praise
>> many of the policies of the Third Reich.
>>
>> By the mid 70¹s historians were
>> beginning to question the real total of
>> casualties.
>>
>> Although many records lay in the
>> still-Communist archives of Dresden, the
>> accepted figure dropped to between 50,
>> 000 and 150,000 deaths, based on Nazi
>> German records and declassified Allied
>> intelligence reports.
>>
>> Then, when the wall fell and more
>> records became available, the accepted
>> number dipped even further, to 35,000.
>> Residents
>>
>> Residents and emergency personnel line
>> up bodies to be burned after the raids
>>
>> A fortnight ago the myth was revealed as
>> just that.  A panel of German historians
>> tasked by the modern-day rulers of
>> Dresden said the dead numbered between
>> 18,000 and 25,000.
>>
>> They worked through miles of archived
>> paperwork for the past four years to
>> arrive at their figures, using death
>> certificates, hitherto sealed eyewitness
>> reports, registration cards for people
>> made homeless and hospital records.
>>
>> The historians found most people died in
>> cellars, suffocated when the oxygen was
>> sucked out of their hiding place or
>> killed by the concussion of the falling
>> bombs.
>>
>> Strange climactic conditions combined to
>> create 2,000 degree centigrade
>> ³firestorms² which whipped walls of
>> flames through the heart of the city,
>> incinerating everything in their path.
>>
>> By contrast Operation Gomorrah, the
>> saturation bombing of Hamburg, did
>> indeed cause at least 50,000 deaths.
>
>Killing one Dresdener was equivalent to killing 500 thousand Japs.  I
>wish George Bush Sr. was running the show back then.  Dresden would
>have ceased to exist.  It would never even be thought of.
>Unfortunately we had some weak sister in charge.  He showed mercy.
>Why show mercy to a Kraut?  It doesn't make sense.

LOL

Sherry makes the Nazis look like decent upstanding and reasonable
people by comparison.

Sherry is clearly your typical brain-dead American racist and
crackpot. 


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 2:07 pm, I'll Always Be 11/06/09
> wrote:
>> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_was_Dresden
>> _bombed_in_WW2
>>
>> In early 1945 the war was far from over.
>> The Allies were still camped outside the
>> borders of Germany, V2 rockets were
>> still falling. The Allies had just
>> fought the battle of the Bulge where the
>> supposedly defeated Germans suddenly
>> punched a huge hole in the Allied lines,
>> German Rocket and Jet aircraft were
>> coming off the production lines and
>> proceeding to rip the hell out of the
>> allied air fleets.
>>
>> It was an operation undertaken due to
>> many reasons.
>>
>> 1. A request from the Russians at the
>> Yalta conference in February
>> 1945. General Antonov "We want the
>> Dresden railway junction bombed"
>> Meeting between the Chiefs of staff as
>> reported by an interpreter. Records kept
>> at the Public Records office in Kew
>>
>> 2. It was a German base of operations
>> against Marshall Koniev`s left flank as
>> he advanced into Germany. (See above)
>> Captured German High Command documents
>> from Berlin in 1945 state that "Dresden
>> is to be fortified as a military
>> strongpoint, to be held at all costs."
>> These statements are also backed up by
>> decrypts from Ultra at Bletchley Park.
>>
>> 3. Munitions storage in the old Dresden
>> Arsenal.
>>
>> 4. Troop reinforcement and transport
>> centre shifting an average 28
>> troop trains through the marshalling
>> yards every day. Intelligence from
>> Russian and other sources stored in the
>> Public Records office in Kew
>>
>> 5. Communications centre. Most of the
>> telephone lines connecting
>> High Command to the Eastern front went
>> through Dresden.
>>
>> 6. Quote from The Dresden Chamber of
>> Commerce 1944. "The work rhythm of
>> Dresden is determined by the needs of
>> our army."
>>
>> There were 127 factories in the Dresden
>> Municipal area. The most
>> famous of these was Zeiss the celebrated
>> camera and optics maker. In 1945 it was
>> turning out Bomb aiming apparatus and
>> Time fuses. (If you think the Dresden
>> China Works making those lovely
>> shepherdesses are more famous, they are
>> actually made in Meisen 12Km down the
>> River and always have been.)
>>
>> A factory that previously made
>> Typewriters and sewing machines was
>> making Guns and ammunition
>>
>> The Waffle and Marzipan machine
>> manufacturer was producing torpedoes for
>> the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe.
>>
>> The arts and crafts workshops in the old
>> town were using their woodworking skills
>> to make the tail assemblies for V-1s.
>>
>> Other factories were turning out such
>> non warlike goods as Searchlights,
>> Aircraft components, Field Telephones
>> and 2 way radios.
>>
>> Yet another quote, "Anyone who knows
>> Dresden only as a cultural city would be
>> very surprised to be made aware of the
>> extensive and versatile activity that
>> make Dresden ONE OF THE FOREMOST
>> INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS OF THE REICH. (My
>> Capitals)
>>
>> Sir Arthur Harris? A Post war exponent
>> of the bombing campaign?
>> Nope both wrong.
>> It comes from the Dresden City Council
>> Yearbook of 1942.
>>
>> The men who carried out these acts did
>> so in the desire to make a world in
>> which their descendants and countrymen,
>> of whom I am one, could live in freedom
>> from persecution and with a freedom to
>> ask questions and form their own
>> opinions. To those of you who feel it
>> necessary to label them war criminals
>> may I ask if you think that you could
>> have asked a similar question under Nazi
>> Germany or Imperial Japan?
>
>Dresden was bombed because the US had lots of stuff to throw.  And the
>machinery to throw it with.  Might is right.

So why are you whining about alleged German actions when you clearly
support these methods?



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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:01:51 -0700 (PDT), StarDust 
wrote:

>On Jun 11, 4:09 pm, Sherry the bigot
> wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 2:07 pm, I'll Always Be 11/06/09
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_was_Dresden
>> > _bombed_in_WW2
>>
>> > In early 1945 the war was far from over.
>> > The Allies were still camped outside the
>> > borders of Germany, V2 rockets were
>> > still falling. The Allies had just
>> > fought the battle of the Bulge where the
>> > supposedly defeated Germans suddenly
>> > punched a huge hole in the Allied lines,
>> > German Rocket and Jet aircraft were
>> > coming off the production lines and
>> > proceeding to rip the hell out of the
>> > allied air fleets.
>>
>> > It was an operation undertaken due to
>> > many reasons.
>>
>> > 1. A request from the Russians at the
>> > Yalta conference in February
>> > 1945. General Antonov "We want the
>> > Dresden railway junction bombed"
>> > Meeting between the Chiefs of staff as
>> > reported by an interpreter. Records kept
>> > at the Public Records office in Kew
>>
>> > 2. It was a German base of operations
>> > against Marshall Koniev`s left flank as
>> > he advanced into Germany. (See above)
>> > Captured German High Command documents
>> > from Berlin in 1945 state that "Dresden
>> > is to be fortified as a military
>> > strongpoint, to be held at all costs."
>> > These statements are also backed up by
>> > decrypts from Ultra at Bletchley Park.
>>
>> > 3. Munitions storage in the old Dresden
>> > Arsenal.
>>
>> > 4. Troop reinforcement and transport
>> > centre shifting an average 28
>> > troop trains through the marshalling
>> > yards every day. Intelligence from
>> > Russian and other sources stored in the
>> > Public Records office in Kew
>>
>> > 5. Communications centre. Most of the
>> > telephone lines connecting
>> > High Command to the Eastern front went
>> > through Dresden.
>>
>> > 6. Quote from The Dresden Chamber of
>> > Commerce 1944. "The work rhythm of
>> > Dresden is determined by the needs of
>> > our army."
>>
>> > There were 127 factories in the Dresden
>> > Municipal area. The most
>> > famous of these was Zeiss the celebrated
>> > camera and optics maker. In 1945 it was
>> > turning out Bomb aiming apparatus and
>> > Time fuses. (If you think the Dresden
>> > China Works making those lovely
>> > shepherdesses are more famous, they are
>> > actually made in Meisen 12Km down the
>> > River and always have been.)
>>
>> > A factory that previously made
>> > Typewriters and sewing machines was
>> > making Guns and ammunition
>>
>> > The Waffle and Marzipan machine
>> > manufacturer was producing torpedoes for
>> > the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe.
>>
>> > The arts and crafts workshops in the old
>> > town were using their woodworking skills
>> > to make the tail assemblies for V-1s.
>>
>> > Other factories were turning out such
>> > non warlike goods as Searchlights,
>> > Aircraft components, Field Telephones
>> > and 2 way radios.
>>
>> > Yet another quote, "Anyone who knows
>> > Dresden only as a cultural city would be
>> > very surprised to be made aware of the
>> > extensive and versatile activity that
>> > make Dresden ONE OF THE FOREMOST
>> > INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS OF THE REICH. (My
>> > Capitals)
>>
>> > Sir Arthur Harris? A Post war exponent
>> > of the bombing campaign?
>> > Nope both wrong.
>> > It comes from the Dresden City Council
>> > Yearbook of 1942.
>>
>> > The men who carried out these acts did
>> > so in the desire to make a world in
>> > which their descendants and countrymen,
>> > of whom I am one, could live in freedom
>> > from persecution and with a freedom to
>> > ask questions and form their own
>> > opinions. To those of you who feel it
>> > necessary to label them war criminals
>> > may I ask if you think that you could
>> > have asked a similar question under Nazi
>> > Germany or Imperial Japan?
>>
>> Dresden was bombed because the US had lots of stuff to throw.  And the
>> machinery to throw it with.  Might is right.
>
>Railroad switching! Dresden was the hub center of all railroads in
>Germany.

Actually it is Frankfurt a/M that is the principal switching point.
All trains north-south and all trains east-west pass through
Frankfurt. Frankfurt am Main is also the apex exchange of the German
telephone system. All long distance calls are routed through Frankfurt
a/M.

>Now you see. why thousands of inmates starved in the German
>concentration camps!

The last couple of months saw transportation pretty much collapse, so
that part of your analysis is correct.

>No trains, no food!
>JS
>


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:14:52 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>Rush Limbaugh made this statement on a recent show. 
>
>Source: Brunn: 'Obama Is Missing'
>
>
>
>Who has been preaching hate for eight years?  Who has been doing movies
>about assassinating the president, writing books about it?  The left! 
>This guy, the Holocaust Museum yesterday, he had a lot of affection for
>the German national socialists.  That's the left wing.  Hitler was a
>leftist. 
>
>
>
>Could someone explain what Limbaugh meant by this claim?

Rush Limbaugh has an IQ smaller than his shoe-size. His babble is
pretty much meaningless.

>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:19:30 +1200, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
>news:holman-1206091314520001@ke-hupnet246-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>> Rush Limbaugh made this statement on a recent show.
>>
>> Source: Brunn: 'Obama Is Missing'
>>
>> 
>> 
>> Who has been preaching hate for eight years?  Who has been doing movies
>> about assassinating the president, writing books about it?  The left!
>> This guy, the Holocaust Museum yesterday, he had a lot of affection for
>> the German national socialists.  That's the left wing.  Hitler was a
>> leftist.
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Could someone explain what Limbaugh meant by this claim?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eugene Holman
>
>This excellent article goes a long way to explaining it . His type call 
>Nazis leftists because the National Socilists have ;socialists; in their 
>name.

That is the typical shallow American understanding of the world around
them. There is almost nobody on this planet as ignorant as an
American. Poor Limbaugh is sadly rather typical.

>
>Death at the Holocaust Museum and the degredation of the American dialogue.
>
>
>Ann Coulter, the self-described "conservative Christian" right-wing talking 
>head, is much on my mind as I contemplate the horrifying images that came 
>out of Washington from the Holocaust Museum, where white supremacist James 
>von Brunn opened fire in an attempted mass-murder of Jews. His killing spree 
>was cut short by security guard Stephen Tyrone Jones who put himself in the 
>line of fire and died so others might live.
>
>I am remembering an October 2007 segment of the Donny Deutsch Show where 
>Coulter asserted that America would be better off if everyone was Christian 
>and that "the Jews" merely needed to be "perfected" through conversion.
>
>Coulter has made her fortune by generating, fanning, and nurturing hatred 
>and contempt for a variety of people, including liberals, Democrats, gays, 
>foreign nationals, 9/11 widows, feminists, single mothers, Muslims, and any 
>other group she could throw to her disenfranchised readership as shark bait.
>
>To Coulter, referring to Jews as "imperfect" on a talk show hosted by an 
>observant Jewish host must have seemed like just another day at the office. 
>Coulter shook her blond hair and tittered, as though waiting to be found 
>witty, charming, and adorably irascible. Oh Ann, you minx! You're just 
>pushing everyone's buttons, aren't you? Shame on you, you dead-sexy fascist 
>pin-up. Stop teasing. You don't really mean that. I mean, not really, right? 
>Right?
>
>Deutsch, clearly appalled, pointed out that the comment was not only 
>patently absurd, but also hateful. Coulter giggled. A gold crucifix gleamed 
>against her bony clavicle. "No," she said, "it's not hateful at all."
>
>This week, nearly two years later, James von Brunn, driven by his own 
>twisted version of Coulter's publicly-proclaimed perspectives regarding the 
>"imperfection" of Jews, entered the Holocaust Museum in Washington and put 
>them into action, with tragic and deadly consequences.
>
>Much the same thing happened on May 31st when Scott Roeder entered the 
>Reformation Lutheran Church during Sunday services and slaughtered abortion 
>provider provider Dr. George Tiller. Media analysts continue to explore a 
>possible continuum between Tiller's murder and FOX host Bill O'Reilly's 
>well-documented on-air tirades against the doctor, whom he repeatedly called 
>"Tiller the Baby Killer." O'Reilly broadcast his vendetta to millions and 
>millions of FOX viewers already infected with evangelical superstitions and 
>a horror of science, especially science as it applies to a woman's right to 
>choose.
>
>If O'Reilly had been a serious journalist or broadcaster instead of a 
>sclerotic, chronically-aggravated right-wing rage pimp, he might have had 
>the professional self-awareness or ethical sense to realize that he was 
>putting George Tiller's life in danger over the more than 28 broadcasts in 
>which he used Tiller's name. But O'Reilly, like, for Rush Limbaugh, Sean 
>Hannity, Michael Savage, and indeed Coulter herself (to name only the gratin 
>of that particular food chain) is neither of those things.
>
>As a group, they are the pop culture equivalent of necrotic carrion beetles, 
>crawling with insectile determination from one infected open wound in the 
>American psyche to another. The wounds include fear of race, fear of 
>foreigners, fear of sexuality, fear of difference, hysterical religious 
>fundamentalism, violent nationalism, and paranoia. They lay their eggs in 
>the infected abrasion, then scuttle away. When the eggs hatch, disgorging 
>rage and discontent, they start counting money.
>
>When challenged on the inherently destructive nature of their enterprise, 
>they invariably claim that their First Amendment right to free speech is 
>being abrogated. Or, like Ann Coulter defensively does in those instances, 
>they cite their place on the New York Times bestseller list. Or the ratings. 
>In other words, since people buy it, watch it, or listen to it in huge 
>numbers, it must have merit, and it must be right.
>
>The difference between John McCain and Sarah Palin became clearest to me in 
>the middle of the campaign last summer.
>
>At a town hall meeting, McCain was confronted by an elderly woman who told 
>McCain that she was a supporter of his because Obama was "an Arab." McCain 
>was clearly uncomfortable, and it was patently obvious why. It had nothing 
>to do with McCain's feelings about Arabs. It had to do with an old-school 
>Republican accidentally moving the rock, and coming face to face with what 
>actually lived beneath it. He recognized that the woman was making an 
>unambiguously racist statement about his opponent, and he was mortified to 
>be asked to answer it. Even though McCain famously and horribly bungled his 
>answer ("No ma'am, he isn't. He's a decent family man.") I knew when he 
>meant. He was addressing the intended racial slur and disavowing it, however 
>badly.
>
>In that moment, I felt deeply for my Republican friends who, on some level, 
>must also be experiencing the embarrassment and discontent of recognizing 
>that their party had been hijacked by racists and religious fanatics who 
>derided education and achievement as "elitist."
>
>Sarah "Screw the Political Correctness" Palin, on the other hand, seemed 
>right at home. She marched into those same crowds grinning and winking, and 
>"Yoo betcha-ing" like she was onstage at the Miss Alaska pageant. While her 
>supporters waved watermelon slices and stuffed monkeys, Palin talked about 
>who the "real Americans" were, and who was "palling around with terrorists." 
>She refused to address the blatant racism of her fans, or address the 
>obvious exploitation of Obama's middle name, Hussein, and the implication 
>she herself was making with her "terrorist" comments.
>
>She was, after all, playing to the accurately-named Republican "base," the 
>same crowd to whom George Bush had sold his second presidential term by 
>pandering to their darkest and most cowardly aspect. This time out it was 
>fear of gay marriage and adoption, carefully tended fear of another 9/11, 
>fear of more fallout from a war they still didn't believe he'd lied about.
>
>One can almost appreciate the horrible honesty of the racists among the 
>McCain-Palin supporters who were able to admit what the others obfuscated: 
>that they didn't want a black man in the White House. Certain videos from 
>their rallies are deeply disturbing. They showcase the seething racism of 
>her most ardent followers.
>
>History has already recorded their obsession with Obama's origins, his 
>religious background, and his citizenship, which remains an obsession among 
>them today.
>
>Obama's citizenship was reportedly also something of an obsession for von 
>Brunn, and likely very much on his mind when he walked into the museum and 
>opened fire to make a statement about what "his" America ought to look like. 
>I have no trouble imagining which radio stations he listened to, or which 
>pundits best represented his baseline political ideology. And why. Even 
>FOX's Shep Smith has said he's disturbed by the escalating virulence and 
>menace of the anti-Obama emails the station is receiving.
>
>There was a time when decency, even honor, was an essential part of the 
>American dialogue in its most ideal form, and part of its very identity. 
>There was a time when our culture would have recoiled in horror at the 
>vituperation flowing unchecked from radios, televisions, and the Internet, 
>instead of applauding it as "common sense," "free speech," or "mavericky," 
>or "a spin-free zone."
>
>There was a time when intellectual honesty was not considered unpatriotic; 
>when compassion for, and understanding of, your fellow man was a sign of 
>strength, not weakness. There was a time when the phrase Have you no shame? 
>meant something, and the First Amendment was not used as toilet paper to 
>wipe up the excremental verbal degradation of vulnerable segments of the 
>American population. A time when it was expected that citizens would 
>understand the difference between free speech and irresponsible speech. 
>Somewhere along the line, a cancerous segment of American popular culture 
>and media cunningly exploited the long-standing, honorable American "cowboy" 
>motif and mentality. They grafted cruelty, divisiveness, and ignorance to 
>it, making the two appear indistinguishable, and natural allies. And they 
>are neither, or at least ought not to be.
>
>There is no Environmental Protection Agency to measure hate pollution in 
>national dialogue, and no mechanism in place to warn us when the poisonous 
>rage spewed into the national consciousness by shock-jocks, poisonous 
>television pundits, megachurch leaders, and oh-so-subtle politicians, has 
>reached dangerously toxic levels.
>
>No, there is only the result: widows, orphans, collective grief, and an 
>absolute refusal on the part of our loudest, coarsest voices to take any 
>responsibility for their part in the carnage
>
>
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-holocaust-museum-shoo_b_214133.html


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:52:05 -0700 (PDT), "Tell it like it is."
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 11:22 am, NefeshYehudi  wrote:
>> ISRAEL, ON GUARD!
>>
>> I hope the Israeli government is courageous enough to use nuclear
>> weapons if needed.  Look at the shape the world is in.  The Pope was a
>> Nazi and supposedly is not one now.  (Yea right) that is why the Pope
>> won’t fire his clergy that deny the holocaust.  The President of the
>> USA is an admitted drug addict and user of illegal substances such as
>> cocaine, marijuana and also abused alcohol and admits in his book he
>> would have done heroin if he had the money but it was to expensive and
>> he is telling the Jews we have no right to settle our homeland.  Who
>> does he think he is the Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al Saud?
>> The President of Iran openly makes megalomaniac comments about wiping
>> Israel off the map.  The President of France is no help because he’s
>> to worried about his exhibitionist wife that likes to go around naked
>> in public.  All these misfits have one thing in common; they want to
>> have an upper hand over the Jews on Eretz Israel.  Fear not though
>> little Israel for as every Jew knows when it looks like there is no
>> hope left and that HaShem has abandoned us, that is when we need to
>> muster the faith to pray and be smarter than our adversaries because
>> our G-d will no longer forsake his people to the gentiles especially
>> since His people have the ability to wage nuclear war.

Dream on Yehudi, Israel is a mere twenty thousand square kilometres,
little more than a postage stamp as far as countries go. The day that
Israel uses nuclear weapons will be the very last day of Israel's
existence and it will likely be followed by the pogrom to top all
pogroms that will eliminate the world Jewish community, once the world
has had enough of these pompous, self-inflated buffoons.

>>
>> G-d bless Israel to live and be well now and forever because the Jews
>> are like the Torah and will endure from generation to generation
>> forever, and HaShem will make peace over all of Israel.
>
>                       For a guy who wants all he can get from us
>Americans, you sure do a lot of insulting of Americans. You wrote the
>President takes drugs. To Americans the President is a man who cut his
>teeth doing social work among poor blacks in Chicago.
>                       You wrote the Pope is a Nazi. The Pope was born
>in Germany under Naziism. It would be more honest to say Zionists like
>yourself Nafesh Yehudi eschewing the law of Moses forming an EXTREMIST
>ORGANIZATION called the "People's Will" in violation of every
>commandment of the Mosaic Law breought a Gdless Communism to a country
>of religious illiterates. Prefering Gdlessness than giving an
>education  and an opportunity to the Russian poor.
>                        When the Russians in 1920 saw that their
>Chuch's door had been closed, but the Zionists kept open the
>synagogues, pograms began throughout Russia, and the Zionistas were
>forced to close the synagogue doors along with the church doors. Hugh
>numbers of jews began flooding into NYC from Russia at that time.
>                        If you grow up under Communism you are a
>Communist. Under Naziism you do what you are told. And in Israel and
>so forth. That is what psychiatrist call being normal. If you are a
>headhunter or head shrinker growing up in one of those tribes, and
>they actually showed on television the black and white films in the
>fifties, then you are a headhunter from Borneo in the forties, and you
>shrink heads. According to a psychiatrist you are a well-adjusted
>citizen of your culture. And according to the field of psychiatry
>everyone wants to be well-adjusted to his culture. Otherwise, you will
>have to take pills. Pharmacologists have taken over the field of
>psychiatry in the United States!
>                        Ignoramuses like you Nefesh Yehudi, Zionists
>who love telling everyone else how stupid we all are for not having
>been born brainwashed-Zionistas like you, are as dangerous as any
>terrorista, though you can't convince them of it, to the peace of a
>nation and its people. Zionists think, like terroristas and
>victimistas, like a woman. No wonder religious and native jews of the
>ancient Middle East whose forbears wrote every word of the  Hebrew
>scriptures say about you secular jews "Hitler didn't kill enough of
>you [ashkenazi] bastards."
>                        The world has enough to deal with the problems
>the Lord gave us all trying to live on a planet in which he called us
>the stewards thereof and put His own Spirit in mankind without a group
>of Zionist who had no religion at all untill the seventh or eight
>century adopting the Talmud continuing the tradition aff
>ethnocentricism and thereby corrupting everything God made holy.
>                        "You can fool some of the people some of af
>the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Your
>answer would have to be. We aren't fooling anybody we believe in
>Zionism not in Americans as your words above show. Who but a jew would
>make his living on cable televison insulting the President of the
>United States, while the rest of us pray for the poor dumb bastard who
>inherited the Presidency and with the FED's blessing bankrupted the
>country starting a war for Israel, and giving homes to people who
>couldn't afford the mortgauge payments due to paying taxes to keep the
>FED skimming their illegal tithe [Article I section VIII] in the name
>of a banking families in Europe..
>                         When people are young they can't understand
>why people my age are so stupid. I felt the same way during Vietnam. I
>couldn't understand why my father didn't seem concerned about current
>events, after taking part in the invasion of Japan. His generation
>helped the Japanese live in peace with the rest of the world. What has
>Israel done to live in peace with its Middle Eastern neighbors?
>Nothing.  What has America accomplished in the Middle East with dual
>loyalty diplomats? Nothing but war and suffering.
>                         What is Zionism? If not a disrespect of
>religion and its validity in a religious part of the world that gave
>birth to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
>                         Oxymoron, Zionists entered the Holy Land on
>the promises contained in religious documents.
>                         Prefering war to diplomacy made Vietnam.
>Prefering violence to diplomacy in the Holy Land can't continue
>forever. If the US chooses peace to a nuclear holocaust prefering to
>solve global and legitimate problems for a peaceful humanity, then it
>will choose a respect for diversity and ethnicity and culture. Zionism
>made the Communist revolution a reality in Christian Russia in 1917.
>It brought on Zionism's nemesis in Christian Germany in 1933, and
>Zionism's  insistence on violence instead of diplomacy will try to
>suck the USA into a third world war. So why do the muslims call an un-
>Christian America SATAN?
>                      Because there is no diplomacy in war. Only UFO's
>flying over the Middle East, and a paranoid Israel trusting more in
>UFO's than in peace, diplomacy, and justice.
>                       Every Zionist would rather exploit America, and
>propagandize americans, and be paranoid, after all, if the whole
>nation is Communist Nazi or Zionist to be sane you must be Communist,
>Nazi, or Zionist. Thank God I'm an American. Neither Communist, Nazi,
>or Zionist. My Christian forbears wrote the documents of the nation
>called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>                      In other words Nefesh Yehudi, why are veterans
>not as smart as you?


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>You glib lies do not negate my post of truth.

You wouldn't know truth if you tripped over it, Yehudi. You sound
exactly like some of the demented Nazis of old, except your demonology
is different. Where people such as Hans Frank ranted about Jews and
how they needed to be eliminated, people such as Rabbi Friedman and
Nefesh Yehudi rant about Arabs and how they need to be eliminated.
There simply isn't that much difference between Yehudi and some racist
Nazi as Yehudi would like to admit.



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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:11:20 -0500, "Lindon"  wrote:

>
>Chabad rabbi: Jews should kill Arab men, women and children during
>war

Friedman has just legitimized and justified every pogrom that has ever
befallen Jews over the last three thousand years. If Friedman is the
pattern, then the pogroms couldn't have hit more deserving people.

>
>By Nathaniel Popper, The Forward
>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091469.html
>
>Like the best Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis, Manis Friedman has won the
>hearts of many unaffiliated Jews with his charismatic talks about love
>and God; it was Friedman who helped lead Bob Dylan into a relationship
>with Chabad.
>
>But Friedman, who today travels the country as a Chabad speaker,
>showed a less warm and cuddly side when he was asked how he thinks
>Jews should treat their Arab neighbors.
>
>"The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their
>holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)," Friedman wrote
>in response to the question posed by Moment Magazine for its "Ask the
>Rabbis" feature.
>
>Friedman argued that if Israel followed this wisdom, there would be
>"no civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false
>sense of righteousness, in fact, no war."
>
>"I don't believe in Western morality," he wrote. "Living by Torah
>values will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because
>of a disastrous morality of human invention."
>
>Friedman's use of phrasing that might seem more familiar coming from
>an Islamic extremist has generated a swift backlash. The editor of
>Moment, Nadine Epstein, said that since the piece was printed in the
>current issue they "have received many letters and e-mails in response
>to Rabbi Friedman's comments - and almost none of them have been
>positive."
>
>Friedman quickly went into damage control. He released a statement to
>the Forward, through a Chabad spokesman, saying that his answer in
>Moment was "misleading" and that he does believe that "any neighbor of
>the Jewish people should be treated, as the Torah commands us, with
>respect and compassion."
>
>But Friedman's words have generated a debate about whether there is a
>darker side to the cheery face that the Chabad-Lubavitch movement
>shows to the world in its friendly outreach to unaffiliated Jews.
>Mordecai Specktor, editor of the Jewish community newspaper in
>Friedman's hometown, St. Paul. Minnesota, said: "The public face of
>Lubavitch is educational programs and promoting Yiddishkeit. But I do
>often hear this hard line that Friedman expresses here."
>
>"He sets things out in pretty stark terms, but I think this is what
>Lubavitchers believe, more or less," said Specktor, who is also the
>publisher of the American Jewish World.
>
>"They are not about loving the Arabs or a two-state solution or any of
>that stuff. They are fundamentalists. They are our fundamentalists."
>
>Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League and a
>regular critic of Arab extremists, said that in the Jewish community,
>"We are not immune to having these views. There are people in our
>community who have these bigoted, racist views."
>
>But, Foxman warned, Friedman's views are not reflective of the Chabad
>rabbis he knows. "I am not shocked that there would be a rabbi who
>would have these views," Foxman said, "but I am shocked that Moment
>would give up all editorial discretion and good sense to publish this
>as representative of Chabad."
>
>A few days after anger about the comment surfaced, Chabad headquarters
>released a statement saying that, "we vehemently disagree with any
>sentiment suggesting that Judaism allows for the wanton destruction of
>civilian life, even when at war."
>
>The statement added: "In keeping with Jewish law, it is the
>unequivocal position of Chabad-Lubavitch that all human life is G-d
>given, precious, and must be treated with respect, dignity and
>compassion."
>
>In Moment, Friedman's comment is listed as the Chabad response to the
>question "How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?" after a number
>of answers from rabbis representing other Jewish streams, most of
>which state a conciliatory attitude toward Arabs.
>
>Epstein said that Friedman was "brave" for stating his views so
>clearly.
>
>"The American Jewish community doesn't have the chance to hear
>opinions like this," Epstein said, "not because they are rare, but
>because we don't often ask Chabad and other similar groups what they
>think."
>
>The Chabad movement is generally known for its hawkish policies toward
>the Palestinians; the Chabad Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson,
>rejected peace accords with the Palestinians. Rabbi Moshe Feller, the
>top Chabad rabbi in Minnesota, said that the rebbe taught that it is
>not a mitzvah to kill, but that Jews do have an obligation to act in
>self-defense.
>
>"Jews as a whole, they try to save the lives of others," Feller told
>the Forward, "but if it's to save our lives, then we have to do what
>we have to do. It's a last resort."
>
>Friedman is not a fringe rabbi within the Chabad-Lubavitch movement.
>He was the English translator for the Chabad Rebbe, and at the rebbe's
>urging, he founded Beis Chana, a network of camps and schools for
>Jewish women. Friedman is also a popular speaker and writer on issues
>of love and relationships. His first book, "Doesn't Anyone Blush
>Anymore?" was promoted with a quote from Bob Dylan, who Friedman
>brought to meet the rebbe.
>
>On his blog and Facebook page, Friedman's emphasis is on his
>sympathetic, caring side. It was this reputation that made the comment
>in Moment so surprising to Steve Hunegs, director of the Jewish
>Community Relations Council: Minnesota and the Dakotas.
>
>"Rabbi Friedman is a best-selling author who addresses some of the
>most sensitive issues of the time," Hunegs said. "I intend to call him
>and talk to him about this."
>
>But Shmarya Rosenberg, a blogger and critic of Chabad who lives a few
>blocks from Friedman in Minnesota, says that the comment in Moment is
>not an aberration from his experiences with Friedman and many other
>Chabad rabbis.
>
>"What he's saying is the standard normal view of a Chabadnik,"
>Rosenberg said. "They just don't say it in public."
>
>For his part, Friedman was quick to modify the statement that he wrote
>in Moment. He told the Forward that the line about killing women and
>children should have been in quotes; he said it is a line from the
>Torah, though he declined to specify from which part. Friedman also
>said that he was not advocating for Israel to actually kill women and
>children. Instead, he said, he believed that Israel should publicly
>say that it is willing to do these things in order to scare
>Palestinians and prevent war.
>
>"If we took this policy, no one would be killed - because there would
>be no war," Friedman said. "The same is true of the United States."
>
>Friedman did acknowledge, however, that in self-defense, the behavior
>he talked about would be permissible.
>
>"If your children are threatened, you do whatever it takes - and you
>don't have to apologize," he said.
>
>Friedman argued that he is different from Arab terrorists who have
>used similar language about killing Jewish civilians.
>
>"When they say it, it's genocide, not self-defense," Friedman said.
>"With them, it's a religious belief - they need to rid the area of us.
>We're not saying that."
>
>Feller, the Chabad leader in Minnesota, said that the way Friedman had
>chosen to express himself was "radical."
>
>"I love him," Feller said. "I brought him out here - he's magnificent.
>He's brought thousands back to Torah mitzvah. But he shoots from the
>hip sometimes." 
>


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:52:13 +1000, Petzl  wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:36:10 GMT, usenet@mantra.com and/or
>www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
>>Sweden in Grip of Islam (VIDEO)
>>
>>vodpod
>>Thursday, June 11, 2009
>>
>>Good vid on what is going on in Malmo. . . .
>>
>>Continues here: 
>>http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2269714/posts 
>>
>>Will Bharat, US, Canada and Australia go down the same way? 

LOL

I don't know about the U.S. and Australia, but in Canada the Muslim
population is about 2% of the general population and religious types
of whatever stripe do not have that much influence. Your
fear-mongering will fall on deaf ears in Canada. Even three litres of
Scotch will fail to make your scenario very plausible.

>
>Found this on utube (your link not working)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0
>or http://tinyurl.com/cegv9x


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
 wrote:

>On Jun 12, 9:12 am, Neo  wrote:
>
>>
>
>
>
>> > Well, ...are you saying the USA WILL attack
>> > N Korea first by taking out its nuclear facilities?
>>
>> Has Kim Jong Il been naughty or nice?
>
>This is the typical US spin..."Kim was nasty..he
>should be punished...not rewarded.".. "N Korea
>is the axis of evil".....So the jingle go...
>
>Who is the USA?...A high and mighty God...
>Certainly NOT.
>If not, why is the USA sitting high at the "last
>judgement" table...handling out reward and
>punishment..acting like God !
>Who the hell appointed the USA to be the high
>judge...and the executioner !
>The USA appointed the USA ...how ridiculous !
>It is a joke...The US is not a very funny clown.
>
>N Korea is not a naughty boy. It is a sovereign
>country,...it has rights... just like the USA.

North Korea is on the "axis of evil" because it is one of a handful of
remaining independent states that are not satrapies of the American
Empire. 


>N Korea may not be as powerful and strong as
>the USA, ...but a small and weak country does have
>the same right  as the USA....as a sovereign nation.
>It has the right to develop weapon for self defence.
>With international bully like the USA around, there
>is an urgent need for N Korea to acquire  nuclear
>weapons to defend itself.
>
>Is acquiring nuclear weapon for self defence
>being naughty ?  Why is it ok for India and
>Pakistan ...and not ok for N Korea ?
>
>The USA has NO right, no authority, no justification ...
>to take out the nuclear facilities in N Korea.  Period.
>If it does, then N Korea has the right to nuke
>the US bases in Japan and S Korea.
>
>> Will Christmas come early to North Korea?
>>
>
>Another typical US spin.
>N Korea has not asked for 'gift' for Xmas...none what
>so ever.... from the USA.
>N Korea has refused to attend the meeting with
>USA or with other nations now....to negotiate about
>the destruction of its nuclear facilities.
>
>It wanted NO gifts. The US offered aids in exchange..
>to generate electricity if the nuclear reactors were
>destroyed.
>N Korea just wanted to be left alone...to make the nuke
>babies for self defence. Gifts were offered by the USA..
>and then taken back.
>
>It is the USA...who wanted N Korea back at the
>negotiating table.
>It is no use, N Korea is not a little boy...who could
>be tempted with sweets or gift. The US ploy will NOT
>work this time.
>
>N Korea will not return to the negotiating table..
>So there is no question of offering gifts to sweeten
>the poison.
>
>
>
>
>


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On 11 Jun 2009 23:15:41 GMT, Bert Hyman  wrote:

>In news:nqt2355pk7jrbg9pblues64287rku6putb@4ax.com Johannes von
>Ebersdorf  wrote: 
>
>> 
>> Friedman has just legitimized and justified every pogrom that has ever
>> befallen Jews over the last three thousand years. 
>
>Really? The words of one man "legitimize" the murder of millions of
>people? 
>
>> If Friedman is the pattern, then the pogroms couldn't have hit more
>> deserving people. 
>
>Is he?
>
>Or are you just a garden variety bigot, looking for some way to
>rationalize your disease? 

Go ahead and make excuses for people like Friedman, but don't expect
me to cry about the inevitable consequences of such stupid policies.



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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
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>On Jun 12, 6:51 pm, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>
>> > Why must Russia, China or South Korea be bothered !
>>
>> Well, if only because NK and it's Dictator, has threatened SK ....
>
>You said so, you threaten S Korea ?.....
>N Korea certainly did not threaten S Korea...
>will not attack S Korea ....without provocation.
>
>You sing the stale US jingle...."N Korea is bad,
>N Korea is naughty....N Korea must not have
>nuclear bomb.... Kim is bad...Kim is unstable....."
>
>If you changed N Korea to the USA,...then it will
>be true. If you changed Kim to Obama then
>it will be true.
>
>Ha ha ha ha

It is pretty clear that virtually all the world's problems have
American roots, either politically, militarily, or economically.

The purpose of the American military is to make the world ripe for
exploitation by the American ruling class, the money people who own
virtually everything in the USA.

>
>
>
>>


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:01:08 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
 wrote:

>baldeagle wrote:
>> On Jun 12, 6:51 pm, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>>
>>>> Why must Russia, China or South Korea be bothered !
>>>
>>> Well, if only because NK and it's Dictator, has threatened SK ....
>>
>> You said so, you threaten S Korea ?.....
>> N Korea certainly did not threaten S Korea...
>> will not attack S Korea ....without provocation.
>>
>> You sing the stale US jingle...."N Korea is bad,
>> N Korea is naughty....N Korea must not have
>> nuclear bomb.... Kim is bad...Kim is unstable....."
>>
>> If you changed N Korea to the USA,...then it will
>> be true. If you changed Kim to Obama then
>> it will be true.
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha
>
>(SIGH!). Oh Dear! A Mad man!

The USA has been in military altercations against one or more
adversaries every year of its miserable existence. It is probably the
most ruthless, evil, and violent state in human history. The USA has
nothing to teach the world about freedom, peace, or decency. It is the
antithesis of all those things.



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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT), "Zionism is a cancer growing
on Uncle Sam's ass"  wrote:

>On Jun 9, 4:11 am, Firnando  wrote:
>> Why are we sending BILLIONS to Israel while states go broke?
>>
>> "The libels on me and their easily traceable email trails show
>> conclusively that there is a powerful lobby determined to prevent any
>> view other than its own from being aired, still less to factor in
>> American understanding of trends and events in the Middle East.
>>
>> The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and
>> indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation,
>> the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods,
>> and an utter disregard for the truth. The aim of this Lobby is control
>> of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the
>> appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the
>> substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion
>> of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government
>> other than those that it favors."
>>
>> "I believe that the inability of the American public to discuss, or
>> the government to consider, any option for U.S. policies in the Middle
>> East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics has allowed
>> that faction to adopt and sustain policies that ultimately threaten
>> the existence of the state of Israel. It is not permitted for anyone
>> in the United States to say so," he wrote. "This is not just a tragedy
>> for Israelis and their neighbors in the Middle East; it is doing
>> widening damage to the national security of the United States."
>>
>> Former Ambassador Chas Freeman's parting comments, who was savagely
>> attacked by the MSM when he had been nominated to chair the National
>> Intelligence Council.
>>
>> His sin? Freeman described "Israeli violence against Palestinians" as
>> a key barrier to Mideast peace. Freeman's biggest attacker was Steve
>> Rosen, AIPAC lobbyist and spy for Israel.
>>
>> America, everytime you wonder why our highways are in such poor shape
>> or why our schools are overcrowded or why we don't have universal
>> health insurance or why local, state and federal taxes seem to eat
>> such a big chunk out of your wallet, find solace in the fact that OUR
>> government is now sworn to put the interests of Apartheid Israel first
>> and what we get out of that Faustian bargain is a never ending series
>> of ME and south Asia wars being fought by American kids for the Jews
>> and a debt being incurrred to fight those wars that our great-
>> grandkids will still be paying off.
>>
>> Labels: 9/11, Israeli Propaganda, Terrorist Israel
>>
>> http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-are-we-sending-...
>
>Israel is going down, and taking US with them and so are the fake
>jews, the Ashkenazis and the Zionist squatters.

The world will be a much better place if both Israel and the USA
follow the USSR into political oblivion.

>
>
>


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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: June 10
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:59:44 -0700, "Jason P" 
wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:C5CdnWrSXIJ7j6zXnZ2dnUVZ_hxi4p2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Jason P  wrote:
>>>
>>>"Ken McVay"  wrote in message
>>>news:RKadnTR2K9hArLLXnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@vex.net...
>>>> [Follow-ups set]
>>>>
>>>> June 10
>>>>
>>>> 1940
>>>>
>>>> The J.A. Topf u. Sohne Maschinenfabrik und Feuerungstechnisches
>>>> Baugeschaft (Machinery and Furnace Equipment Factory) of Erfurt
>>>> drew up blueprints for a coke-fired furnace for cremating
>>>> corpses at the Auschwitz concentration camp. The blueprint was
>>>> approved and filed under the number D-57253. (Czech et al, p. 121)
>>>>
>>>> 1943
>>>>
>>>> The `Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland' (National
>>>> Association of Jews in Germany) is dissolved, and all its
>>>> functionaries are deported as part of an effort to rid
>>>> Berlin of Jews and ostensibly in retaliation for a minor
>>>> sabotage attack by the Baum Group, a small Communist Jewish
>>>> underground anti-Nazi organization. (USHMM 1993, 36)
>>>>
>>>> The United Churches of the Netherlands appeals to
>>>> Reichskommissar Artur Seyss-Inquart to stop the "monstrous"
>>>> and "infamous" practice of sterilizing couples in mixed
>>>> marriages with Jewish partners. (USHMM 1993, 36)
>>>>
>>>> 1944
>>>>
>>>> A German SS unit massacres the inhabitants of Oradour-sur
>>>> Glane (Haute Vienne Department), France, in reprisal for
>>>> resistance attacks and the disappearance of a German
>>>> officer. The men are taken to several barns, where they are
>>>> machine-gunned and then burned. The women and children are
>>>> burned alive in the town's locked church. Among the 642
>>>> inhabitants killed, are 252 children, eighteen Spanish
>>>> republican refugees, and several Jews; five men and one
>>>> woman escape. (USHMM 1994, 45)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                       Work Cited
>>>>
>>>> Czech, Danuta, Stanslaw Klodzinski, Aleksander Lasik,
>>>>   Andrezej Strezecki, eds. "Auschwitz 1940 - 1945. Central
>>>>   Issues in the History of the Camp, Volume V.
>>>>   Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum: Oswiecim 2000.
>>>>
>>>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>>>   Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
>>>>   April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993
>>>>
>>>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>>>   Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>>>>   3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>>>> -- 
>>>> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>>>> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>>>> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>>>> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008)
>>>
>>>
>>>Leading "legal revisionist scholar" and pro-Jew scam artist, Kenny 
>>>McGoyVay,
>>>SOB, posts more pro-Jew baloney and no one notices the usual horseshit.
>>>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...!
>>
>> Pedophilia, rape and Incest are very serious offenses.
>>
>> If you have reason to believe that someone has
>> committed such an offense, by all means report
>> to the authorites.
>>
>> Not doing so is, in and of itself, a crime.
>>
>> We all know that a Leading Revisionist Scholar
>> such as yourself, Jason, lacks the civic responsibility and
>> courage required to obey the law, so we also know
>> you will not report this alleged serious offense to the police.
>>
>> You are not only a coward, but a liar as well. Were there
>> any truth to your spurious allegations, you would have
>> reported them to the police as you are legally obligated
>> to do.
>>
>> That is why you cannot produce a case number.
>>
>> Thank you for once again demonstrating that to UseNet
>> readers.
>>
>> May 26, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> May 27, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> May 28, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> May 29, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> May 30, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> May 31, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> Jun 01, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> Jun 08, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> Jun 09, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> Jun 10, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>> Jun 11, 2009 Jason fails to report alleged crimes
>
>Yawn...
>
>Leading legal scholar (and pro-Jew scam artist) Kenny McGoyVay, SOB, posts 
>more pro-Jew baloney and no one notices the usual horseshit. 
>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...!

McVay SOB failed to mention that the roof assembly at the church at
Oradour has been filled with ready amunition by the Communist
partisans and it was set alight by Communist shelling, not German
action.

Mass execution of partisans is par for the course and is exactly in
accordance with international law and the various conventions. The
Americans and South Vietnamese also made short work of partisans in
that war, but then SOB likes to work from two sets of rules, one for
Germans and another for everybody else.


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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On 11 jun, 11:04, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:55:52 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in bericht
>> >news:aussies_suck-55A5EB.09545610062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> >> In article
>> >> <7996mbF1pnsa...@mid.individual.net>,
>> >> "Heinrich" 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> "I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in
>> >>> bericht
>> >>>news:aussies_suck-6710FA.23060909062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> >>> > In article
>> >>> > <798qhkF1p20l...@mid.individual.net>,
>> >>> > "Heinrich" 
>> >>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> >>http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >>> > Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>> >>> > February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>> >>> > and barbarism began against a
>> >>> > defenceless German city
>>
>> >>> > Yet Guernica and Rotterdam mean nothing
>> >>> > to you filth
>>
>> >>> in holland more people died of american bombings than by german bombings
>>
>> >> Teach you to wave nazi flags
>> >no idiot that was because of the poor knowledge of geography you imbeciles
>> >have
>>
>> Murder by remote control has always been an American coward's approach
>> to warfare.
>>
>> Witness Afghanistan, where brain-dead American "heroes" attack wedding
>> parties and elementary schools from the air and then stupidly wonder
>> why they get a hostile reception from the survivors on the ground.
>
>You're a spare prick looking for a wedding.

Spoken like the true jackass that you apparently are. Most of the
allied casualties in Afghanistan can be traced back to American
stupidity and ineptitude, both direct and indirect.


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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:25:47 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 11, 12:23 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 11, 11:15 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 10, 2:41 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> In article
>> >> >> <934051d4-54c0-4b7a-846b-456e356a0ede@z1
>> >> >> 4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> >> >>  parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On 10 Juni, 06:18, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> >> > >http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >> >> > Nonsense. Where are the bodies? What about the exaggerated and oft-
>> >> >> > revised death toll? What about the ludicrous claims made by
>> >> >> > eyewitnesses about flames 20.000 feet high an people bursting into
>> >> >> > flames? (observed by other people nearby who miraculously didn't!)
>>
>> >> >> > It's clearly a hoax, an attempt by the Germans to extort sympathy and
>> >> >> > Marshall Plan money from the US. I bet you can't even prove there WAS
>> >> >> > a place called Dresden pre 1945.
>>
>> >> >> > Wake up, sheeple!
>>
>> >> >> I like von ebes claim that bodies were
>> >> >> shrunk to the size of dolls.
>>
>> >> >von ebes is an idiot.
>>
>> >> He is a genius compared to Sherry. According to his school records,
>> >> were you to collect 1000 people at random from the street, his IQ
>> >> would rank in the top three whereas poor Sherry would rank in the
>> >> bottom three, at least if her command of German is any guide.
>>
>> >You got proof of this?
>>
>> Yes. The Ontario Ministry of Education keeps everything.
>>
>
>I thought you were Canadian.  Ontario's in California last I heard.

There is a minor village in California by that name, but it is also
the name of the most populous province of Canada with its provincial
capital at Toronto. Are you really that stupid, or are you just
putting on a show for the group here?

>
>> > No?  Didn't think so.
>>
>> You don't think at all, so why should you be expected to think about
>> this?
>>
>> > Knowing foreign
>> >languages is hardly an indicator of IQ you moron.
>>
>> That is actually true, but then you claimed to speak it better than
>> the natives and that is clearly false.
>>
>> > Having said that we
>> >both know that my German is good enough.
>>
>> "Good enough" is a rather subjective term. It would not be considered
>> good enough for a grade one pupil in Germany and the person would fail
>> his school program.
>>
>> >You can't lay down a point
>> >so you attack my German speaking abilities.
>>
>> You have yet to put down a point that anybody can discuss.
>>
>> >Let us all know when you
>> >come up with something tangible.
>>
>> Be my guest.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >  But think about it.  A human being experiences
>> >> >extreme temperatures.  His water boils.  It escapes as steam.  He
>> >> >shrinks.  To the size of dolls?  I don't know but the person shrinks.
>> >> >It makes sense.  Also it depends on the size of the doll in question.
>>
>> >> A variety of Indian tribes in South American seem to have had no
>> >> problem producing shrunken heads to wear around their belts as
>> >> trophies. I wasn't personally alive at the time, but I know several
>> >> people who had the unpleasant job of collecting these remains. It is
>> >> much more probable that mcvay/mcfee & co are lying than that these
>> >> friends of my parents are lying.


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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On 11 jun, 11:18, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 10, 2:41 am, I'll Always Be 10/06/09
>> > wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <934051d4-54c0-4b7a-846b-456e356a0ede@z1
>> >> 4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> >>  parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > On 10 Juni, 06:18, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> > >http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >> > Nonsense. Where are the bodies? What about the exaggerated and oft-
>> >> > revised death toll? What about the ludicrous claims made by
>> >> > eyewitnesses about flames 20.000 feet high an people bursting into
>> >> > flames? (observed by other people nearby who miraculously didn't!)
>>
>> >> > It's clearly a hoax, an attempt by the Germans to extort sympathy and
>> >> > Marshall Plan money from the US. I bet you can't even prove there WAS
>> >> > a place called Dresden pre 1945.
>>
>> Dresden was a flourishing city at least four centures before Columbus
>> sailed for the new world. Many of the buildings damaged in the
>> downtown by the allied terror-attack had stood since before the
>> founding of the USA in 1776.
>>
>
>Flourishing; big deal. If Germany hadn't started WWII, Dresden
>wouldn't have been touched.

Who started what is debatable, and regardless of the outcome of that
argument, Dresden was still a war crime.

>
>>
>>
>> >> > Wake up, sheeple!
>>
>> >> I like von ebes claim that bodies were
>> >> shrunk to the size of dolls.
>>
>> >von ebes is an idiot.  But think about it.  A human being experiences
>> >extreme temperatures.  His water boils.  It escapes as steam.  He
>> >shrinks.  To the size of dolls?  I don't know but the person shrinks.
>> >It makes sense.  Also it depends on the size of the doll in question.


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:14:47 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>He will never face up he does post under differed names. Buts out a posting
>the argues with a different name against himself. We are very lucky slime
>characters like him are not too many around.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>Kenneth does not know what truth really is.

McVay SOB is in the business of serving up propaganda.

>kk
>
>"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
>news:70f6cb89-127e-4605-aebb-ae710039e3bb@y6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 10, 9:14 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Where is your proof Kenneth, No fake documents please.
>> KK
>>
>   Kenneth cited the proof.
>
>
> Michael 
>


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On 12 jun, 09:48, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 11, 2:04 pm, I'll Always Be 11/06/09
>> > wrote:
>> >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1078529/WW2-Dresden...
>> >> ed-far-fewer-people-half-million-new-reco
>> >> rds-show.html
>>
>> >> By Allan Hall
>> >> Last updated at 10:55 AM on 20th October
>> >> 2008
>>
>> >> For more than 60 years Britain's Bomber
>> >> Command led by Arthur 'Bomber' Harris
>> >> has been vilified for causing up to
>> >> 500,000 deaths in the carpet bombing of
>> >> Dresden during World War II.
>>
>> >> But now, after a four-year
>> >> investigation, a panel of German
>> >> historians has said that the true number
>> >> of dead from the Allied air raids in
>> >> January 1945 was between 18,000 and
>> >> 25,000.
>>
>> >> They reached the figure after combing
>> >> through death certificates, hitherto
>> >> sealed eyewitness reports, registration
>> >> cards for people made homeless and
>> >> hospital records.
>>
>> >> It now emerges that the high number of
>> >> deaths from 'Operation Thunderclap' was
>> >> a myth invented by the Nazis,
>> >> perpetuated by Communists and re-born in
>> >> the past decade to serve the aims of
>> >> ultra-nationalists.
>>
>> >> The myth took form barely after the
>> >> vapour trails of the bombers disappeared
>> >> in the skies over the city.
>> >> Dresden lies in ruins in the aftermath
>> >> of bomber Harris' bombing raid
>>
>> >> Dresden lies in ruins after the Allied
>> >> bombing raid in January 1945
>>
>> >> It suited the Nazi propaganda machine to
>> >> claim that half-a-million women and
>> >> children had been incinerated in the
>> >> firestorm. It helped persuade a
>> >> struggling population that this was
>> >> awaited them all unless they fought for
>> >> Nazism with their last breath.
>>
>> >> Then the Communist East Germans
>> >> perpetuated the myth, mindful that it
>> >> served their purposes by showing the
>> >> destructiveness of capitalism and
>> >> fascism combined.
>>
>> >> In the last decade neo-Nazis have sought
>> >> to keep the lie alive as they praise
>> >> many of the policies of the Third Reich.
>>
>> >> By the mid 70¹s historians were
>> >> beginning to question the real total of
>> >> casualties.
>>
>> >> Although many records lay in the
>> >> still-Communist archives of Dresden, the
>> >> accepted figure dropped to between 50,
>> >> 000 and 150,000 deaths, based on Nazi
>> >> German records and declassified Allied
>> >> intelligence reports.
>>
>> >> Then, when the wall fell and more
>> >> records became available, the accepted
>> >> number dipped even further, to 35,000.
>> >> Residents
>>
>> >> Residents and emergency personnel line
>> >> up bodies to be burned after the raids
>>
>> >> A fortnight ago the myth was revealed as
>> >> just that.  A panel of German historians
>> >> tasked by the modern-day rulers of
>> >> Dresden said the dead numbered between
>> >> 18,000 and 25,000.
>>
>> >> They worked through miles of archived
>> >> paperwork for the past four years to
>> >> arrive at their figures, using death
>> >> certificates, hitherto sealed eyewitness
>> >> reports, registration cards for people
>> >> made homeless and hospital records.
>>
>> >> The historians found most people died in
>> >> cellars, suffocated when the oxygen was
>> >> sucked out of their hiding place or
>> >> killed by the concussion of the falling
>> >> bombs.
>>
>> >> Strange climactic conditions combined to
>> >> create 2,000 degree centigrade
>> >> ³firestorms² which whipped walls of
>> >> flames through the heart of the city,
>> >> incinerating everything in their path.
>>
>> >> By contrast Operation Gomorrah, the
>> >> saturation bombing of Hamburg, did
>> >> indeed cause at least 50,000 deaths.
>>
>> >Killing one Dresdener was equivalent to killing 500 thousand Japs.  I
>> >wish George Bush Sr. was running the show back then.  Dresden would
>> >have ceased to exist.  It would never even be thought of.
>> >Unfortunately we had some weak sister in charge.  He showed mercy.
>> >Why show mercy to a Kraut?  It doesn't make sense.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Sherry makes the Nazis look like decent upstanding and reasonable
>> people by comparison.
>>
>> Sherry is clearly your typical brain-dead American racist and
>> crackpot.
>
>How do you like your Dresdener Coffee?  I like mine crisp.  LOL

I'm sure that the people whose children burned to death will find you
very humorous, Sherry the Bigot.


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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:30:04 +0300, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene
Holman) wrote:

>In article
>,
>"nomer.23" <23nomer23@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 12, 8:14=A0pm, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>> > Rush Limbaugh made this statement on a recent show.
>
>
>
>> very surprised that an inteliget university profesor should ask
>> an idiotic question. which part of hitlers social engineering didn't
>> you get right, brother hun?
>
>Both the far left and the far right have social enginering programs, even
>if their objectives differ considerably. In Political Science 101 I recall
>learning that the type of social engineering that favors chauvinism
>("Deutschland über alles"

The national anthem was written in the 1820s and has absolutely
nothing to do with expansionism or ethnic cleansing. Fallersleben
simply related the areas in which the German language was spoken,
which was the original meaning of "Deutschland".

>, the expansionism and ethnic cleansing
>associated with the quest for "Lebensraum"),

That is nonsense, as has already been pointed out.

> racism ("das Herrenbolk"/"the
>Master Race"

Master race would be Herrenvolk, not Herrenbolk. That, in a nutshell,
shows the low quality of your diatribes about Germany.

>, aryanism, anti-Semitism),

The Poles and Russians were far more anti-Jewish than Germans ever
were.

>sexism ("Kinder, Küche und
>Kirche", married women to be excluded from the work force),

During the time that this rhetoric was popular in Germany, the various
allied countries were even more primitive. It was well into the 20th
century before women in Canada, the USA, or the UK got the vote or
were even considered to be "persons".

>militarism

The peace-loving USA has been at war against one or more opponents
every single year of its miserable existence, and these hypocritical
dorks have the nerve to whine about the alleged "militarism" of
others.

>(September 1, 1939, June 22, 1941, imprisonment of pacifists and Jehovah's
>Witnesses),

The same sort of thing happened in other places, but the hypocritical
allies always like to set up special rules for Germany.

>ultra-nationalism (Anschluss, Sudetenland),

That has nothing to do with ultra-nationalism, but a lot to do with
allied oppression and with basic fairness and justice to the
oppressed. The people of the Sudetenland foolishly believed the
American Wilson and his promises of justice. They incorrectly assumed
that their area would be assigned either to Austria or to Germany, not
handed over to the chauvinistic murderous and oppressive Czechs. As
far as Austria goes, it wanted to rejoin Germany in 1919 but was
prevented from doing so by the allies for their own narrow reasons.

>social-darwinism

Social Darwinism is a strictly American thing. The general public has
always been supported in Germany with pensions, medical care, and many
other benefits, some of which Americans don't even have today.

>(restrictions on sexual relations and marriage as codified in the
>Nuremberg Laws

That is about the only thing in your silly diatribe that comes close
to being uniquely German, although the USA also had laws prohibiting
race-mixing.

, producing and reprogramming children with specific racial
>characteristics in "Lebensborn",

What the hell is a "Lebensborn"? The word isn't in any of my German
dictionaries.

> forced sterilization and euthanasia),

The USA and the Canadian province of Alberta did both long before the
Nazis ever came to power.

>exclusivism (Jews and Gypsies to be excluded from the German economy,
>culture, and "living space"),

Germany is a European tribal state dedicated to one ethnic group, and
neither Jews nor Gypsies are ethnically German. Both were largely
carpet baggers who arrived in Germany to steal and loot in the uproar
after WW1.

>racial profiling ("the Jews are a criminal
>race",

Blanket statements of this sort are almost always false, but the
allies use the same sorts of lines against German people. This whole
diatribe is in the same vein.

> "only the Aryan race is capable of producing civilization"),

That is clearly an overstatement and I rather doubt that it was ever
official policy.

>and
>corporatism (the close relationship between the Nazi regime and industrial
>behemoths such as Siemens, AG Farben, Krupp, Thyssen, and Volkswagen,
>prohibitions on labor unions and syndicalist activities),

You're confusing Germany with the USA, the ultimate plutocracy and
example of corporatism. It was the USA that launched wars to give
United Fruit the right to exploit people in central and south America.

> all distinctive
>features of Hitlerite Nazism, are defining features of the extreme
>*rightist* agenda.

None of the things you have listed are unique to the NS regime. In
many cases, the allied countries were significantly worse, but then
the allies have always been hypocrites.

>
>Regards,
>Eugene Holman


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jun 12, 5:37 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/06/10/dresden-dokumentation-uber-den-bo...
>
>In war mijnheer, shi'ite happens.. In any case the city has been
>splendidly rebuilt..

That doesn't make the attack any less barbarous or illegal. If
anything goes in war, then why the fuck are the allies continuously
whining about alleged German excesses?


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:42:13 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:79fa5pF1qd0adU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Two hundred people joined religious leaders Thursday afternoon for an 
>> interfaith gathering at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum to mourn the 
>> death of museum security guard Stephen Johns.
>>
>> Organized by the InterFaith Conference of Metropolitan Washington and the 
>> Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, the event 
>> included speeches and prayers by clergy from Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, 
>> Hindu and Bahaii traditions, as well as representatives of the German and 
>> Israeli embassies.
>
>Perhaps this will come as news to you, but the word "interfaith" tends to 
>indicate that the event isn't "just Jewish".

It wouldn't be politically correct to have a "Jewish" gathering at the
site of an attack on a PUBLIC building.

>
>Any event that brings Muslim and Baha'i leaders together peacefully is a 
>sign of hope.  Baha'i followers are regarded as apostates in many Islamic 
>circles (particularly in Iran, where it originated), and that can carry a 
>death sentence.
>
>But if for you, it's All Jews, All The Time,  well, that's your delusion.
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk
>
> 
>


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:57:39 -0700 (PDT), mirjam 
wrote:

>Mr Keenan >
>> Any event that brings Muslim and Baha'i leaders together peacefully is a
>> sign of hope.  Baha'i followers are regarded as apostates in many Islamic
>> circles (particularly in Iran, where it originated), and that can carry a
>> death sentence.
>>
>> But if for you, it's All Jews, All The Time,  well, that's your delusion.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> -pk
>>
>> 
>
>Speaking of Bahaai and Muslims living together peacfully , Visit
>Haifa , where the Bahaai have their World Center.
>mirjam

All human religions are baseless superstitions and all of them tend to
be bad news. That has been humanity's curse for millennia.


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:45:42 -0700 (PDT), StarDust 
wrote:

>On Jun 12, 8:22 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> Two hundred people joined religious leaders Thursday afternoon for an
>> interfaith gathering at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum to mourn the
>> death of museum security guard Stephen Johns.
>>
>> Organized by the InterFaith Conference of Metropolitan Washington and the
>> Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, the event included
>> speeches and prayers by clergy from Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu and
>> Bahaii traditions, as well as representatives of the German and Israeli
>> embassies.
>>
>> Clark Lobenstine, executive director of the InterFaith Conference, told the
>> crowd, some of whom held candles, that the vigil was designed to show that
>> "hate has no place in any of our community's religious traditions."
>>
>> "Let's not let this terrorist divide us and prevent us from coming back
>> here," he said.
>>
>> Martin Peled-Flax, the Israeli Embassy's minister-counselor for domestic
>> political affairs, said Wendnesday's attack showed that Holocaust denial is
>> a "pernicious ideology that ultimately leads to insane violence," whether it
>> comes from a "racist and anti-Semite" in Washington or at the highest levels
>> of "leadership of the world stage," an apparent reference to Iranian
>> President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
>>
>> Museum chief of staff Bill Parson thanked the crowd, saying the "tremendous
>> outpouring" since the attack "has meant a lot to us."
>
>Well, it's great!
>So, when we going to see those security tapes of the shooting from the
>Hoax museum?
>JS

I still think that the German government should put up a big monument
in Berlin to commemorate the American holocaust of their native
people. Wounded Knee summarizes U.S. culture a lot more accurately
than the American public would probably like.


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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:20:48 +1200, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:FhvYl.31669$PH1.19987@edtnps82...
>> He classified him self as a white supremacist it is you classifies him as 
>> a Nazi. But what difference does it make anyone who does not trust the 
>> Jews are Nazis and this includes the whole Moslem community.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>
>You live in a constant state of ignorance and denial.

There are a number of participants on this newsgroup where Kurt's
comment fits exactly. 


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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:04:23 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>What is your point I did talk to some of the prisoner who did return to 
>German years after the war was over. my best friend Herman was in the gulags 
>and he dolt us he was so exhausted from work and very little food . when he 
>collapsed his comrades did not have the strength to take him back to the 
>camp. it was the Japanese prisoner who were in the same camp that took him 
>to the Japanese prisoner site. There they did share their bread with him 
>where most of them gave him a finger full of bread and he did survive. 
>Certainly nobody has a monopoly about suffering. All you are interested in 
>is listening to your side only.

There were only ten thousand survivors of the ninety-five thousand
that entered POW status at Stalingrad.

The USSR has a very bad record with the treatment of prisoners.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 13/06/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-9A98D1.13490013062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> >>,
>> "Mavisbeacon"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 8/06/09"  wrote in message
>>> news:aussies_suck-05CDBC.10290008062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > ,
>>> > "Truthseeker" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Interesting show me the mass grave of German prisoners in Siberia.
>>> >
>>> > Exactly. There are none. Thank you for
>>> > proving that German prisoners were never
>>> > in Siberian Gulags
>>>
>>> One can NOT prove a negative! But in any case I never claimed the 
>>> Stalinists
>>> had a plan to exterminate the Germanic Race. what I showed you was that
>>> German prisioners were indeed kept by the Russians long after the war. 
>>> One
>>> example I gave was of eleven years. But unike the Jews Gypsies etc. in 
>>> the
>>> case of the Nazis, the Russians didn't plan to exterminate ethnic groups 
>>> in
>>> particular the Germans.
>>
>> The truth is irrelevant, the issue here
>> is to get kurt to substantiate any point
>> he makes.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>> >> > Inother words you have DOUBLE STANDARDS and don't apply the same
>>> >> > standard
>>> >> > to your own claims which you demand of others!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > By the way others here have shown evidence of both Jewish and Non
>>> >> > Jewish
>>> >> > victims of the Nazis.
>>> >> > 
>


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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On 11 jun, 12:30, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:55:28 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jun 11, 11:51 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:26:28 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 9, 9:18 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> >>http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >> >the city has been rebuilt, has it not?
>>
>> >> As much has been restored as was possible, although countless
>> >> irreplaceable treasures have been lost in this mindless bout of
>> >> vandalism.
>>
>> >Hitler shouldn't have started the war.
>>
>> He didn't. He was snookered by the allies, much like Saddam in more
>> recent decades. There was nothing Hitler could have done to prevent
>> the outbreak of WW2. The decision for war was made in London and in
>> Washington.
>>
>> >He should have been content
>> >with what he had.
>>
>> Even had Germany been prepared to accept the allied thefts that had
>> already occurred by 1939, it is most probable that the allies would
>> just return to the trough and demand more. The allies hadn't conquered
>> the world by being nice guys and by being peaceful and reasonable. The
>> USA and the UK are two of the most aggressive, vicious, and warlike
>> states that have ever existed in human history. There appetite for
>> what belongs to others is insatiable.
>
>Bull.

Bullshit is what Sherry generally serves up. You just don't know what
you are talking about.

Tell me again about Ontario?  LOL


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:28:16 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jun 10, 9:34 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> The German government is alarmed at a weekend of local elections which saw
>> neo-Nazis propelled into power in towns and cities across the country.
>>
>> Right-wingers seized council seats in many major urban centres as the
>> recession bites and anti-foreigner sentiment increases.
>>
>> Berlin, acutely aware of Germany's past when the world's last major
>> recession opened the window for Adolf Hitler and his supporters, is
>> thrashing around for a solution to the burgeoning allure of the extremists,
>> particularly among the young.
>>
>> In the east German cities of Leipzig, Dresden, Weimar, Schwerin, Rostock and
>> Erfurt the main neo-Nazi party the National Democratic Party of Germany
>> (NPD) won seats in all councils. In Parthenstein in Saxony the NPD candidate
>> tied with his centre-left social democratic opponent - but then won the
>> vacant seat by drawing straws with his rival.
>>
>> In the state of Thuringia the NPD seized 21 seats, in Saxony 73, trebling
>> their numbers from the last elections in 2004. In Mecklenburg-Western
>> Pomerania it now has representatives in most local councils.
>>
>> In the wealthy western Saarland the NPD won seats in the city councils of
>> Saarbruecken and Völklingen. In Saarbücken the party won 1.9 per cent of the
>> votes, in Völklingen 4.6 per cent, and in the ancient Roman city of Trier
>> they won their first seat in the city parliament.
>>
>> 'The local elections of 2009 are a signal that the NPD, at least in most of
>> eastern Germany, is now a fixture on the landscape,' said the Der Spiegel
>> news magazine.
>
>Perhaps now the mosque building and the asslifting hordes will be
>stopped..

The same sort of thing is happening in Britain and numerous other
European countries. In this newsgroup, the focus always seems to be on
Germany, especially if there is anything negative to be said.


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:23:01 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>He classified him self as a white supremacist it is you classifies him as a 
>Nazi. But what difference does it make anyone who does not trust the Jews 
>are Nazis and this includes the whole Moslem community.

The silly cretins on this newsgroup use a pretty squishy definition of
"Nazi", and for a few people such as SOB, "I'll always be" and George,
all opponents are Nazis, so the word Nazi becomes a simple-minded
synonym for "political opponent".

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:EPudnXmXhszl4q_XnZ2dnUVZ_rxi4p2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> The hapless Intellectual Giant of Holocaust Revisionism,
>> Kurt Knoll, reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat  and Laughing
>> Stock of UseNet, fluffed his Chicken Yellow Hitler Jugend
>> Tutu with the "Volksverhetzung" Cross and  wrote:
>>
>>>Just consider this. anytime someone snaps no matter for what reason. And 
>>>it
>>>is for the advantage of the holocaust industry he will be classified as
>>>Nazi. Boy thy sure know how to play the system.
>>
>> SO when von Brunn classified himself as a nazi, he was
>> working for Zundel? Is that what you're saying?
>>
>> 149 Statements Illustrating Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll's
>> strict adherence to the highest intellectual standards of Holocaust
>> denial... folks, with intellects like Knoll's to guide them, Holocaust
>> deniers cannot but slaver in his footsteps:
>>
>> (See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for
>> the first 145 -- (Honest, Folks, I'm not making them up!)
>>
>> 146. "The decision of a Jude I mostly not neutral basically he has
>>     to follow the law. In the holocaust trial he has to be very
>>     careful not to please the Jews or his courier is over."
>>     , May 15, 2009
>>
>> 147. "Interesting another new story. How pig was the whole in the
>>     roof," , May 27, 2009
>>
>> 148. "The holocaust is not under investigation by the pope what
>>     is it you are trying to twist around. as for the pope
>>     I am an athirst you can keep him." ,
>>     May 31, 2009
>>
>> 149. "Look for what I have read many German news papers did you."
>>     , June 11, 2009
>> -- 
>> Has Edmonton's William Grosvenor obeyed the Court's
>> orders yet, and paid the $50,000 in damages and
>> additional substantial costs to Mr. Warman?
>> Tell it to the Judge: http://william-grosvenor.info 
>


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:01:39 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jun 12, 9:46 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> By Ben Cohen
>>
>> Poor Pat Buchanan. A failed political career born out of a platform that
>> only appeals to other grumpy white men, Buchanan is stuck in an endless
>> circle of self induced rage and irrational fear.
>>
>> The MSNBC commentator actually believes being white in America puts you at a
>> disadvantage, and feels a life dedicated to bemoaning 'reverse
>> discrimination' and the rise of 'unqualified' minorities is an honorable use
>> of his time.
>>
>> Buchanan's projecting of his own massive insecurities and deeply held
>> prejudices is painful to watch, and it is simply breath taking that no one
>> at MSNBC wants to pull the plug on him. Exactly what is this man's appeal?
>> The MSM's penchant for a tear up is one thing, but a man dedicated to
>> furthering the cause of the white race is another.
>>
>> Buchanan is technically right about discrimination -- it shouldn't be done
>> to anyone, white, brown or black. But some historical context puts
>> Buchanan's views in a completely different light.
>>
>> I remember hearing a story from a friend (who is Jewish) about his German
>> boss complaining to him that the German government was giving too much to
>> the Jews. "It's those damn reparations for the Jews that is hurting
>> Germany," he moaned. "Haven't they taken enough?"
>>
>> When you consider the 6 million people the Germans managed to wipe out,
>> there's not much the Jews couldn't take from Germany to make things right.
>>
>> White Europeans committed perhaps the biggest genocide in history when they
>> came to the Americas. The native population was literally wiped off the land
>> to make way for white settlers, and for those who managed to survive, a few
>> crumbs were passed off to them decades later for their troubles.
>>
>> White people transported millions of African slaves to the United States,
>> subjected them to horrific treatment, murder and cultural annihilation.
>> Blacks have only been treated as equal citizens in America since the 1960's,
>> and the notion that centuries of enslavement, degradation and economic
>> disenfranchisement could be reversed in a few decades is just laughable.
>>
>> Every minority in America has suffered at the hands of white people. It is a
>> country founded by white people, built by white people and controlled by
>> white people. To pretend otherwise is akin to holocaust denial. It is a
>> fact.
>>
>> For Pat Buchanan to suggest otherwise is disingenuous at best, and down
>> right racist at worst. And the latter is probably the most likely.
>>
>> Buchanan is part of a vocal minority that prey on white people's fear. In
>> economically tumultuous times, people like him a particularly dangerous, as
>> they lay the crimes of the wealthy on the backs of minorities. It's a
>> dangerous game, and history tells us the consequence are often none too
>> pretty.
>>
>> There is a climate of fear gripping America as it comes to terms with its
>> new self. There is a black man in the Oval office, an economic crisis
>> unparalleled in magnitude for 80 years, foreign wars that are not being won,
>> and a massive intellectual vacuum created by the corporate press (or lack
>> thereof).
>>
>> After years in power, the Right is unused to playing the role of the
>> minority. They are coming out to bat, and they are pulling out every trick
>> in the book. Buchanan is a cheerleader for the cause, flanked by Bill
>> O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. The embattled white man is angry, and
>> he's not going to go down without a fight.
>>
>> The talking points are as follows: Obama is responsible for the economic
>> mess. It's about entitlements for minorities and socialism. Use the notion
>> of reverse racism to explain the economic slump -- Latina women are taking
>> jobs white people should have, just because they are Latina.
>>
>> O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck aren't brave enough to say those things outright
>> (they just imply them), but Buchanan is in a league of his own. When Barack
>> Obama suggested that white America must do more to ensure blacks are treated
>> equally, Buchanan responded with the following:
>>
>> It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been
>> running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts,
>> Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody
>> but the rioters themselves."
>>
>> There's no debating with ingrained racism like this. It's time for Pat to
>> go, so please MSNBC, get him off the air. And do it now.
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-co..._b_214903.html
>
>as to the native americans, they introduced tobacco and thus caused
>many deaths.

Mind you, the natives did not smoke tobacco in such quantities as to
present a significant health risk. Leave it to the Americans to take
this thing to the gross excess usually referred to as "ad absurdum".



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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:56:58 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>The Americans are there on a training mission their target are civilians and 
>people who do not want them there.

Americans have acted like the marauders they actually are pretty much
everywhere they have even gone.

The two million dead civilians in Vietnam are not an accident, it is
the barbarous American way.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:fhic35d8r5aaa23rppp3qhfe2ettdee360@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>On 11 jun, 11:04, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:55:52 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in 
>>>> >bericht
>>>> >news:aussies_suck-55A5EB.09545610062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> >> In article
>>>> >> <7996mbF1pnsa...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> >> "Heinrich" 
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> "I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in
>>>> >>> bericht
>>>> >>>news:aussies_suck-6710FA.23060909062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>>> >>> > In article
>>>> >>> > <798qhkF1p20l...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> >>> > "Heinrich" 
>>>> >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> >>http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>>>
>>>> >>> > Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>>>> >>> > February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>>>> >>> > and barbarism began against a
>>>> >>> > defenceless German city
>>>>
>>>> >>> > Yet Guernica and Rotterdam mean nothing
>>>> >>> > to you filth
>>>>
>>>> >>> in holland more people died of american bombings than by german 
>>>> >>> bombings
>>>>
>>>> >> Teach you to wave nazi flags
>>>> >no idiot that was because of the poor knowledge of geography you 
>>>> >imbeciles
>>>> >have
>>>>
>>>> Murder by remote control has always been an American coward's approach
>>>> to warfare.
>>>>
>>>> Witness Afghanistan, where brain-dead American "heroes" attack wedding
>>>> parties and elementary schools from the air and then stupidly wonder
>>>> why they get a hostile reception from the survivors on the ground.
>>>
>>>You're a spare prick looking for a wedding.
>>
>> Spoken like the true jackass that you apparently are. Most of the
>> allied casualties in Afghanistan can be traced back to American
>> stupidity and ineptitude, both direct and indirect. 
>


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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:11:29 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7996mbF1pnsa9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "I'll Always Be 10/06/09"  schreef in 
>> bericht news:aussies_suck-6710FA.23060909062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> In article
>>> <798qhkF1p20leU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Heinrich" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>>
>>> Fifty-seven years ago, on the evening of
>>> February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide
>>> and barbarism began against a
>>> defenceless German city
>>>
>>>
>>> Yet Guernica and Rotterdam mean nothing
>>> to you filth
>>
>> in holland more people died of american bombings than by german bombings
>
>I'll bet the differences are insignificant. Furthermore, the
>Americans were welcomed as liberators nazi-scum. 

Americans were welcomed for a little while, but then the Nazis were
welcomed in Ukraine, again until people got to know them better.

Americans are pretty hateful people.

>


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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:59:33 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>
>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try to
>> keep up mulehead
>
>Wrong!
>
>A kraut who doesn't know its history and lies about it. How expected.

The Canadians were the allies who liberated the Netherlands, or at
least they were the first to move in after the German forces vacated.


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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:57:31 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 15/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-CF49A0.16512515062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> > g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> george  wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>
>>> > holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try 
>>> > to
>>> > keep up mulehead
>>>
>>> Wrong!
>>>
>>> A kraut who doesn't know its history and lies about it. How expected.
>>
>> A kraut who doesn't know its history,
>> lies about it and proudly demonstrates
>> to us its ignorance
>
>i know my history assholes 

You are correct and your idiot opponents are wrong.



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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:49:24 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 15, 10:40 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On 11 jun, 12:30, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:55:28 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 11, 11:51 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:26:28 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jun 9, 9:18 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >> >> >>http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> >> >> >the city has been rebuilt, has it not?
>>
>> >> >> As much has been restored as was possible, although countless
>> >> >> irreplaceable treasures have been lost in this mindless bout of
>> >> >> vandalism.
>>
>> >> >Hitler shouldn't have started the war.
>>
>> >> He didn't. He was snookered by the allies, much like Saddam in more
>> >> recent decades. There was nothing Hitler could have done to prevent
>> >> the outbreak of WW2. The decision for war was made in London and in
>> >> Washington.
>>
>> >> >He should have been content
>> >> >with what he had.
>>
>> >> Even had Germany been prepared to accept the allied thefts that had
>> >> already occurred by 1939, it is most probable that the allies would
>> >> just return to the trough and demand more. The allies hadn't conquered
>> >> the world by being nice guys and by being peaceful and reasonable. The
>> >> USA and the UK are two of the most aggressive, vicious, and warlike
>> >> states that have ever existed in human history. There appetite for
>> >> what belongs to others is insatiable.
>>
>> >Bull.
>>
>> Bullshit is what Sherry generally serves up. You just don't know what
>> you are talking about.
>>
>> Tell me again about Ontario?  LOL
>
>I'll tell you that Canada is a country in the way of Alaska.

LOL, idiot-girl, Toronto is south of almost half the USA.

Look at an atlas, if you can read.


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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:45:06 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
 wrote:

>On Jun 15, 9:31 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On 12 jun, 09:48, Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT), Sherry the bigot
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 11, 2:04 pm, I'll Always Be 11/06/09
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1078529/WW2-Dresden...
>> >> >> ed-far-fewer-people-half-million-new-reco
>> >> >> rds-show.html
>>
>> >> >> By Allan Hall
>> >> >> Last updated at 10:55 AM on 20th October
>> >> >> 2008
>>
>> >> >> For more than 60 years Britain's Bomber
>> >> >> Command led by Arthur 'Bomber' Harris
>> >> >> has been vilified for causing up to
>> >> >> 500,000 deaths in the carpet bombing of
>> >> >> Dresden during World War II.
>>
>> >> >> But now, after a four-year
>> >> >> investigation, a panel of German
>> >> >> historians has said that the true number
>> >> >> of dead from the Allied air raids in
>> >> >> January 1945 was between 18,000 and
>> >> >> 25,000.
>>
>> >> >> They reached the figure after combing
>> >> >> through death certificates, hitherto
>> >> >> sealed eyewitness reports, registration
>> >> >> cards for people made homeless and
>> >> >> hospital records.
>>
>> >> >> It now emerges that the high number of
>> >> >> deaths from 'Operation Thunderclap' was
>> >> >> a myth invented by the Nazis,
>> >> >> perpetuated by Communists and re-born in
>> >> >> the past decade to serve the aims of
>> >> >> ultra-nationalists.
>>
>> >> >> The myth took form barely after the
>> >> >> vapour trails of the bombers disappeared
>> >> >> in the skies over the city.
>> >> >> Dresden lies in ruins in the aftermath
>> >> >> of bomber Harris' bombing raid
>>
>> >> >> Dresden lies in ruins after the Allied
>> >> >> bombing raid in January 1945
>>
>> >> >> It suited the Nazi propaganda machine to
>> >> >> claim that half-a-million women and
>> >> >> children had been incinerated in the
>> >> >> firestorm. It helped persuade a
>> >> >> struggling population that this was
>> >> >> awaited them all unless they fought for
>> >> >> Nazism with their last breath.
>>
>> >> >> Then the Communist East Germans
>> >> >> perpetuated the myth, mindful that it
>> >> >> served their purposes by showing the
>> >> >> destructiveness of capitalism and
>> >> >> fascism combined.
>>
>> >> >> In the last decade neo-Nazis have sought
>> >> >> to keep the lie alive as they praise
>> >> >> many of the policies of the Third Reich.
>>
>> >> >> By the mid 70¹s historians were
>> >> >> beginning to question the real total of
>> >> >> casualties.
>>
>> >> >> Although many records lay in the
>> >> >> still-Communist archives of Dresden, the
>> >> >> accepted figure dropped to between 50,
>> >> >> 000 and 150,000 deaths, based on Nazi
>> >> >> German records and declassified Allied
>> >> >> intelligence reports.
>>
>> >> >> Then, when the wall fell and more
>> >> >> records became available, the accepted
>> >> >> number dipped even further, to 35,000.
>> >> >> Residents
>>
>> >> >> Residents and emergency personnel line
>> >> >> up bodies to be burned after the raids
>>
>> >> >> A fortnight ago the myth was revealed as
>> >> >> just that.  A panel of German historians
>> >> >> tasked by the modern-day rulers of
>> >> >> Dresden said the dead numbered between
>> >> >> 18,000 and 25,000.
>>
>> >> >> They worked through miles of archived
>> >> >> paperwork for the past four years to
>> >> >> arrive at their figures, using death
>> >> >> certificates, hitherto sealed eyewitness
>> >> >> reports, registration cards for people
>> >> >> made homeless and hospital records.
>>
>> >> >> The historians found most people died in
>> >> >> cellars, suffocated when the oxygen was
>> >> >> sucked out of their hiding place or
>> >> >> killed by the concussion of the falling
>> >> >> bombs.
>>
>> >> >> Strange climactic conditions combined to
>> >> >> create 2,000 degree centigrade
>> >> >> ³firestorms² which whipped walls of
>> >> >> flames through the heart of the city,
>> >> >> incinerating everything in their path.
>>
>> >> >> By contrast Operation Gomorrah, the
>> >> >> saturation bombing of Hamburg, did
>> >> >> indeed cause at least 50,000 deaths.
>>
>> >> >Killing one Dresdener was equivalent to killing 500 thousand Japs.  I
>> >> >wish George Bush Sr. was running the show back then.  Dresden would
>> >> >have ceased to exist.  It would never even be thought of.
>> >> >Unfortunately we had some weak sister in charge.  He showed mercy.
>> >> >Why show mercy to a Kraut?  It doesn't make sense.
>>
>> >> LOL
>>
>> >> Sherry makes the Nazis look like decent upstanding and reasonable
>> >> people by comparison.
>>
>> >> Sherry is clearly your typical brain-dead American racist and
>> >> crackpot.
>>
>> >How do you like your Dresdener Coffee?  I like mine crisp.  LOL
>>
>> I'm sure that the people whose children burned to death will find you
>> very humorous, Sherry the Bigot.
>
>Yet you deny the holocaust.

McVay claims I do, but then he is almost always full of shit. I don't
doubt that large numbers of Jews and other opponents of the NS regime
died in the camps. That much is established. I just doubt some of the
geysers of blood and jumping buckets of flesh stories.

>How do you think that your viewpoints go
>over with the children who were in the camps?


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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:47:10 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 17, 4:38 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>
>> pay attention yank: the english and american were defeated at arnhem during
>> operation market garden so the canadians took over and liberated the rest of
>> the country.
>
>Wrong.
>Liberation of Holland, WWII, was begun by American troops, who entered
>Maastricht on 13 September 1944;
>British troops also played a major part in liberating southern
>Holland, along their axis of advance toward Berlin.
>Then came Market Garden which was the failure of an airborne assault
>on Arnhem (September 17)
>There were still more Allied than Canadian troops under Crerar, but in
>mid-March 1945 I Canadian Corps arrived from Italy to replace I
>British Corps. I Corps pushed north to the IJsselmeer (Apr 18),
>isolating German forces in west Netherlands, while II Corps drove
>northeast to Groningen (April 13) and Leeuwarden (April 15), and then
>east into Germany.
>So while British and US troops went into Germany the Canadians mopped
>up the remaining German units in Holland.

The Dutch people themselves credit Canadians for their liberation.
American and British actions are what caused most of the death and
destruction in the Netherlands, as is usually the case in
Anglo-American fuckups.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:25:30 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"Gary Renzetti"  schreef in bericht 
>news:6e366$4a385175$d8fe9ddb$6979@PRIMUS.CA...
>> george wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>> "george"  schreef in 
>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try 
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>> From a Canadian War history 
>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>
>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>
>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries 
>>>> with
>>>> dead canadians
>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>
>>> Riiiight.
>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>
>> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks and 
>> Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but fucked it 
>> up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). Thus, the task 
>> fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>
>thank you gari, the arrogance of those yanks as if i would not know what 
>happened in my own country 

Americans always know everything even when they cannot distinguish
their arse from a hole in the wall.

The pompous stupidity of Americans is what makes them hated throughout
the world, along with their sanctimonious hypocritical preaching.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:42:52 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:79rr24F1rngneU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Daniel Bernard"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:41ch355l202ocd51nn318fhri2d6v5rvu9@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:32:59 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Daniel Bernard"  schreef in bericht
>>>>news:en9h3558fovhle5fjf0uh095b0lcgu5vtk@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:14:20 -0400, Gary Renzetti
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>george wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>>>>> "george"  schreef in
>>>>>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do 
>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>>>>>> From a Canadian War history
>>>>>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> dead canadians
>>>>>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Riiiight.
>>>>>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>>>>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>>>>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks
>>>>>>and Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but
>>>>>>fucked it up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). 
>>>>>>Thus,
>>>>>>the task fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite right there, Gary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Market Garden was not all about liberating the Netherlands. It was
>>>>> primarily about securing crossings into northern Germany, outflanking
>>>>> the Siegfried Line and encircling the Ruhr. The liberation of the
>>>>> north of the Netherlands would have been a bi product of a successful
>>>>> Market Garden but it was not the main aim of the mission.
>>>>> --
>>>>> amicalement,
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>>>
>>>>the failure of this operation led to the most terrible situatyion of the
>>>>whole war viz. the famine of the west of the netherlands. after the war 
>>>>the
>>>>english came of and apologize for what they have done wrong
>>>
>>> The Hongerwinter wasn't the fault of the British. Why should they have
>>> apologised for a situation that was not of their making.
>>>
>>> It was the Germans who placed a restriction on food going to the
>>> western region of the country and the Dutch government that called for
>>> the railway strike that led to the Germans placing a punishment
>>> embargo on western Holland.
>>>
>>> It was the retreating Germans who flooded parts of the country by
>>> destroying the docks.
>>>
>>> It was only at the fag end of the war that the Germans agreed to let
>>> the Allies drop food to the starving population in Operation Manna.
>>>
>>> No-one could be blamed for the unusually cold and early winter that
>>> hit the Netherlands.
>>> --
>>> amicalement,
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>> http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>
>> correct !!! but it has to be said that the americans did noyt give a damn 
>> and were not prepared to do anything about it, they were too busy trying 
>> to reach berlin first. we owe it to the british and canadians that at last 
>> a separate attack on dutch soil took place which led to the liberation of 
>> the rest of holland
>
>If it wasn't for the USA Holland would still be under German rule.

That is extremely unlikely. The Netherlands were occupied to provide
an early warning system for enemy airfleets coming from Britain and to
control the coast against a possible British invasion.

>The
>Frenchies, Canadians, Russians and British put together couldn't have beaten 
>the
>Third Reich fucktard, because they were LOSING until the US stepped in.

The USA is full of self-aggrandizing delusions, but it was Russian
troops on the ground that made the difference. The invasion in
Normandy would have failed but for the fact that the Russians tied
down 90% of the German armed services in the east.
>
>The supplies the US sent to the Russians and British tell the tale asshat. 

It was Roosevelt's diplomatic efforts that got the war going in the
first place, so making a big profit for American arms merchants isn't
a big surprise.

>If
>we hadn't supplied the British and Russians with weapons, ships, ammunition, 
>vehicles
>aircraft, the Eighth Air Force and raw materials you all would have folded 
>like a
>house of cards. 

The Americans encouraged Britain and France to attack Germany with the
hope that the resulting catastrophe would ruin all three to enable the
USA to take over the world. The USA achieved its desired world
hegemony except for a handful of remaining independent states that
George Bush has described as the "Axis of Evil". Evil is anybody who
is not a lackey of the USA.

>


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:06:44 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht 
>news:Jl8_l.51$lv5.12@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>> news:79rr24F1rngneU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Daniel Bernard"  schreef in bericht 
>>> news:41ch355l202ocd51nn318fhri2d6v5rvu9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:32:59 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Daniel Bernard"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>news:en9h3558fovhle5fjf0uh095b0lcgu5vtk@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:14:20 -0400, Gary Renzetti
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>george wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "george"  schreef in
>>>>>>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do 
>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>>>>>>> From a Canadian War history
>>>>>>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of 
>>>>>>>>> cemeteries
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> dead canadians
>>>>>>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Riiiight.
>>>>>>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>>>>>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>>>>>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks
>>>>>>>and Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but
>>>>>>>fucked it up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). 
>>>>>>>Thus,
>>>>>>>the task fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not quite right there, Gary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Market Garden was not all about liberating the Netherlands. It was
>>>>>> primarily about securing crossings into northern Germany, outflanking
>>>>>> the Siegfried Line and encircling the Ruhr. The liberation of the
>>>>>> north of the Netherlands would have been a bi product of a successful
>>>>>> Market Garden but it was not the main aim of the mission.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> amicalement,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>the failure of this operation led to the most terrible situatyion of the
>>>>>whole war viz. the famine of the west of the netherlands. after the war 
>>>>>the
>>>>>english came of and apologize for what they have done wrong
>>>>
>>>> The Hongerwinter wasn't the fault of the British. Why should they have
>>>> apologised for a situation that was not of their making.
>>>>
>>>> It was the Germans who placed a restriction on food going to the
>>>> western region of the country and the Dutch government that called for
>>>> the railway strike that led to the Germans placing a punishment
>>>> embargo on western Holland.
>>>>
>>>> It was the retreating Germans who flooded parts of the country by
>>>> destroying the docks.
>>>>
>>>> It was only at the fag end of the war that the Germans agreed to let
>>>> the Allies drop food to the starving population in Operation Manna.
>>>>
>>>> No-one could be blamed for the unusually cold and early winter that
>>>> hit the Netherlands.
>>>> --
>>>> amicalement,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>> http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>>
>>> correct !!! but it has to be said that the americans did noyt give a damn 
>>> and were not prepared to do anything about it, they were too busy trying 
>>> to reach berlin first. we owe it to the british and canadians that at 
>>> last a separate attack on dutch soil took place which led to the 
>>> liberation of the rest of holland
>>
>> If it wasn't for the USA Holland would still be under German rule. The
>> Frenchies, Canadians, Russians and British put together couldn't have 
>> beaten the
>> Third Reich fucktard, because they were LOSING until the US stepped in.
>>
>> The supplies the US sent to the Russians and British tell the tale asshat. 
>> If
>> we hadn't supplied the British and Russians with weapons, ships, 
>> ammunition, vehicles
>> aircraft, the Eighth Air Force and raw materials you all would have folded 
>> like a
>> house of cards.
>>bullshit stories. those we won the war for us were the russians. kindly 
>>note that 45 germans jkept the whole us army busy the whole day long on the 
>>beach of omaha where in good american tradition to yankees landed on the 
>>wrong spot.
>the sending of material to the allies was only done for the self interest of 
>the americans who did nothing without a certain purpose.
>
>fuck the usa as yet for blackmailing the dutch people: we had to give up 
>indonesia otherwise the marshal aid would be stopped.
>
>so donot get me angry and stop that nonsense of the noble americans who 
>fought for our freedomn 

There is nothing noble about Americans and there never has been.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:34:45 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:

>"Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message 
>news:6e366$4a385175$d8fe9ddb$6979@PRIMUS.CA...
>> george wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>> "george"  schreef in 
>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try 
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>> From a Canadian War history 
>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>
>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>
>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries 
>>>> with
>>>> dead canadians
>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>
>>> Riiiight.
>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>
>> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks and 
>> Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but fucked it 
>> up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). Thus, the task 
>> fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>
>You fucking, whining, whinging reichtard, many men of the 101st and 82nd
>Airborne, who will always be your better, died taking the OTHER bridges
>in Holland (Nijmegen being one). Not to mention the men of the British
>8th Airborne or Polish Airborne Brigade who tried to take Arnhem.
>They were all welcomed as liberators. The Dutch people were obviously
>decent back then and some of them still are today. 
>
All the Anglo-American expedition to Arnhem accomplished was the
destruction of the city and the deaths of large numbers of local
residents.

Americans are famous around the world as vicious fuckups.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:49:47 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht 
>news:6e8_l.50$lv5.23@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message 
>> news:6e366$4a385175$d8fe9ddb$6979@PRIMUS.CA...
>>> george wrote:
>>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>> "george"  schreef in 
>>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do try 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>>>> From a Canadian War history 
>>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1AR...
>>>>>
>>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>>>>
>>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries 
>>>>> with
>>>>> dead canadians
>>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>>>
>>>> Riiiight.
>>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>>
>>> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks 
>>> and Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but fucked 
>>> it up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). Thus, the 
>>> task fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>
>> You fucking, whining, whinging reichtard, many men of the 101st and 82nd
>> Airborne, who will always be your better, died taking the OTHER bridges
>> in Holland (Nijmegen being one). Not to mention the men of the British
>> 8th Airborne or Polish Airborne Brigade who tried to take Arnhem.
>> They were all welcomed as liberators. The Dutch people were obviously
>> decent back then and some of them still are today.
>>the asshole montgommery plann3ed this operation to make a corridor for the 
>>americans. the americans doubted this plan as a consequence of which they 
>>klanded near nijmegen instead of near arnhem. the results are know.
>
>the stpud britis did not trust the dutch underground because the asshole 
>brits thought that the dutch were all nazis.
>
>as a consequence of which the stupid brits had to deal with a squadron of ss 
>tanks  whoc decimated the brits in no time 

Virtually all the death and destruction in the Netherlands can be laid
at the feet of the Anglo-American invasion group and their totally
ruthless and incompetent approaches.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:49:37 -0700 (PDT), "Bent Attorney Esq."
 wrote:

>On Jun 17, 6:40 pm, I'll Always Be 16/06/09
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <4a393...@news.x-privat.org>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ZuLu  wrote:
>> > I'll Always Be 16/06/09 escribió:
>> > > German soldiers are softies who lack
>> > > discipline, hate responsibility and
>> > > show an inadequate desire to serve their
>> > > country, according to the army's
>> > > chief inspector.
>>
>> > > By Allan Hall in Berlin
>> > > Published: 12:47PM BST 16 Jun 2009
>>
>> > > The Telegraph
>>
>> > > General Wolfgang Schneiderhahn, the
>> > > general inspector of the Bundeswehr,
>> > > told the German parliament that despite
>> > > their positive contribution in
>> > > Afghanistan, complaints from troops
>> > > about their conditions were an
>> > > "embarrassment".
>>
>> > > "We have given a good account of
>> > > ourselves in Afghanistan, but we cannot
>> > > guarantee an all-round feel-good feeling
>> > > for soldiers," said the general,
>> > > before going on to detail the less
>> > > dignified side of the country's armed
>> > > forces.
>>
>> > > He cited complaints reaching him about
>> > > the quality of sleeping bags used
>> > > in a deployment in the Congo.
>>
>> > > "Are our soldiers too soft?" asked the
>> > > best-selling daily German newspaper
>> > > Bild.
>>
>> > > Gen Schneiderhahn told politicians in
>> > > Berlin on Monday that the
>> > > descendants of the country's mighty
>> > > military machines of the past needed
>> > > to have "a better feeling for discipline
>> > > and to show a greater readiness
>> > > to serve the state".
>>
>> > > The Bundeswehr was formed after the
>> > > Second World War. The German post-war
>> > > constitution initially mandated the
>> > > Bundeswehr only to serve in protection
>> > > of German borders. After a 1994 ruling
>> > > by the Federal Constitutional Court
>> > > their remit was expanded to assist in
>> > > crisis reaction and conflict
>> > > prevention around the world under Nato
>> > > and the United Nations.
>>
>> > > But in Afghanistan they are not allowed
>> > > at the "sharp end" of fighting
>> > > with the Taliban and Berlin is under
>> > > constant pressure from America and
>> > > Nato to send more manpower.
>>
>> > Here is the result of the self hating post war education.
>>
>> Please take responsibility for your
>> life...blaming the education system is
>> an act of desperation
>
>Of course the education system is at fault.  In your case.  Some of us
>have learned to think outside the box in spite of the education
>system.  You haven't.  De-program yourself.

It has boiled down to an indoctrination system rather than an
education system. Education systems are intended to make people think,
whereas indoctrination systems are intended to make people believe.
They are not the same thing at all.

There was a lot of indoctrination even in Canadian schools, but recent
decades in Germany have been preposterous.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:49:29 +0200, ZuLu  wrote:

>Neue Zürcher Zeitung ZEITFRAGEN Samstag, 12.06.1999 Nr. 133  94
>	
>
>Die selbsternannten Tugendwächter im Visier	
>Schaltet Political Correctness das einstige Volk der Denker gleich?	
>Von Claus Nordbruch, Pretoria*	
>
>Die aus dem im Grunde gut gemeinten Code of Conduct hervorgegangene Political 
>Correctness hat sich in Deutschland rasch zum Tugendterror entwickelt. Die 
>selbsternannten «politisch Korrekten» wähnen sich im Besitz der alleinigen Wahrheit 
>und verweigern deshalb jedes Recht auf Widerspruch. Dies gilt in erster Linie für die 
>in Deutschland herausragenden Tabuthemen, die Martin Walser immer wieder aufzeigt: 
>die nationalsozialistische Geschichte Deutschlands, die Frauen sowie die Ausländer. 
>Und wenn man sich diesen Themen doch aufgeschlossen nähert, schlägt unbarmherzig die 
>«Faschismuskeule» nieder - ein Begriff, den der Politologe Helmut Knütter geprägt 
>hat. Ist man mit diesem Totschlagargument als Faschist, Rassist oder Sexist 
>erfolgreich verunglimpft worden, wird man zum Aussätzigen degradiert, dem keine 
>Gelegenheit mehr geboten wird, seinen Standpunkt darzustellen.
>
>     Das Fatale an der Political Correctness ist, dass manche Auseinandersetzungen 
>und Diskussionen von vornherein nicht oder nur in Form einer Diffamierungskampagne 
>oder eines Schauprozesses stattfinden können. Dieses verordnete Denkverbot führt 
>schliesslich zur Verkümmerung der Geistesfreiheit im ehemaligen Land der Denker. 
>Politische Korrektheit erweist sich möglicherweise als Instrument der geistigen 
>Gleichschaltung und stellt in der modernen Kulturgeschichte einen aussergewöhnlichen 
>Präzedenzfall zensorischer Manipulation im Prozess der politischen Willensbildung dar.
>
>	Angriff auf die Differenzierung	
>
>     Verdeutlichen wir diese Manipulation anhand plastischer Beispiele: In 
>Deutschland ist es seit geraumer Zeit aus vermeintlich antidiskriminierenden Gründen 
>nicht mehr korrekt, von Zigeunern zu sprechen. Nur im Deutschen - und wirklich nur im 
>Deutschen! - heisst es jetzt politisch korrekt «Roma und Sinti», wobei diese 
>Bezeichnung vollkommen inkorrekt ist, da es sich hierbei lediglich um die zwei 
>Hauptstämme der Zigeuner handelt. Im Grunde genommen ist die generalisierende 
>Bezeichnung «Roma und Sinti» sogar rassistisch, da sie die kleineren Zigeunerstämme, 
>wie z. B. die Lalleri, die Manusch, die Joneschti, die Polatschia, die Sikligars, die 
>Boschi oder die Calé ignoriert und damit diskriminiert.
>
>     Im Frühjahr 1996 gaben die Verantwortlichen des Evangelischen Missionswerkes in 
>der eigenen Zeitung «Eine Welt» die Parole aus: Menschenrechte für Menschenaffen! Sie 
>begründeten ihre Forderung damit, dass sich Mensch und Schimpansen genetisch kaum 
>voneinander unterschieden. Der Theologe Martin Brückner schlussfolgerte daraus eine 
>«unglaubliche Nähe» und meinte allen Ernstes, dass die Vorenthaltung der menschlichen 
>Grundrechte den Affen gegenüber prinzipiell nichts anderes als Rassismus oder die 
>Abwertung der Frau sei. Keine Idee scheint heute zu absurd, um nicht als neue und 
>allgemeingültige Verhaltensmassregel eingeführt werden zu können. Lächerlichkeit und 
>Unterminierung des Selbstwertgefühls sind der Preis.
>
>     Die direkte, in vielen deutschen Medien täglich zu erlebende Konsequenz der 
>Durchsetzung politisch korrekter Verhaltensweisen ist die Bildung einer 
>geschlechtslosen und aussagenschwachen Einheitssprache, hinter der nichts anderes als 
>politisches Kalkül steht. Auf diese Weise avancierte der ursprüngliche Fremdarbeiter 
>über den Gastarbeiter zum ausländischen Arbeitnehmer und ausländischen Mitbürger und 
>wird heute endlich als Immigrant gehandelt. Der Lehrling wurde im Zuge der 
>sozialistischen Gleichstellung ein Auszubildender, der allerdings rasch zum 
>infantilen «Azubi» verkümmerte. Geradezu ein sozialer Shooting-Star wurde die 
>Putzfrau, die nach der Raumpflegerin als Parkettkosmetikerin natürlich nicht mehr 
>putzt, sondern sich nun der innenarchitektonischen Schönheitspflege widmet.
>
>	Gegen Denkverbote ankämpfen	
>
>     Insbesondere gegen Denkverbote in Wissenschaft, Forschung und Lehre gälte es 
>heute anzukämpfen. Gerade auf diesen Gebieten verhindert die Political Correctness 
>vielfach seriöses Agieren, da sie gewisse Forschungsvorhaben und 
>Problemkonstellationen von vornherein tabuisiert und diese folglich nicht zu 
>erforschen sind.
>
>     Keineswegs sind es nur politisch korrekte bzw. «antifaschistische» 
>Publikationen, die «politisch Inkorrekte» denunzieren. Die selbsternannten 
>Tugendwächter haben es zwischenzeitlich geschafft, ihren Einfluss auf alle hohen 
>Ämter und Positionen auszubreiten. Da wundert es denn nicht, dass selbst das Amt für 
>Verfassungsschutz in deren Jargon verfällt. Nach dessen bedenklicher Auffassung soll 
>die angebliche «Abwehr von Political Correctness die eigenen extremistischen 
>Auffassungen gegen Kritik immunisieren»! Mit dieser denunzierenden Aussage wird nicht 
>nur dem politischen Gegner und kritischen Wissenschafter, sondern grundsätzlich jedem 
>unvoreingenommenen Zeitgenossen, der von seinem Recht auf Informations- und 
>Meinungsfreiheit ungeniert Gebrauch machen will, pauschal unterstellt, ein Extremist 
>zu sein. Mit diesem Stigma behaftet wird ein freier Meinungsaustausch zunichte gemacht.
>
>     Spätestens der Historikerstreit Mitte der achtziger Jahre sollte zeigen, dass 
>die Wissenschaft längst in diverse politische Interessensphären aufgeteilt ist. Das, 
>was Ernst Nolte und verschiedene andere renommierte Historiker forderten, war nichts 
>anderes als der Beginn einer revisionistischen Geschichtsbetrachtung. Dies bedeutet 
>nichts Anrüchiges, ist die kritische Überprüfung bisheriger Forschungsergebnisse doch 
>das Selbstverständlichste einer jeden Wissenschaft: Der Begriff «Revision» leitet 
>sich vom lateinischen Wort «revidere» ab, das «wieder hinsehen» bedeutet. 
>Sachverhalte wieder durchzusehen ist aber die vornehmste und natürlichste Aufgabe 
>sämtlicher Wissenschafter. So obliegt es auch den Historikern, die 
>Geschichtsschreibung immer wieder anhand neuer Erkenntnisse, Entdeckungen und 
>Forschungsergebnisse eingehend zu überprüfen und gegebenenfalls zu korrigieren. Dies 
>ist einzig und allein das Rüstzeug seriöser Wissenschaft.
>
>	Revisionismus in den Naturwissenschaften	
>
>     An dieser Stelle scheint eine Grundsatzaussage über den Revisionismus 
>angebracht, zumal er das Angriffsziel par excellence der politisch Korrekten 
>darstellt. Man erinnert sich vielleicht noch an eine der vielen «historischen 
>Tatsachen» dieses Jahrhunderts, die revidiert werden musste: Millionen von 
>gottesfürchtigen Pilgern bestaunten noch bis vor wenigen Jahren in Turin das 
>«Leichentuch Christi» - bis labortechnische Untersuchungen den Nachweis erbrachten, 
>dass das Tuch aus dem Mittelalter stammt. Der Papst hat meines Wissens die mit den 
>Untersuchungen beauftragten Wissenschafter - Revisionisten! - weder exkommuniziert 
>noch wurden ihnen unlautere Mittel vorgeworfen.
>
>     Neue Erkenntnisse werden nicht nur in geisteswissenschaftlichen, sondern vor 
>allem auch in naturwissenschaftlichen und technischen Bereichen beinahe täglich 
>gewonnen. Stellvertretend sei ein Beispiel aus der Paläontologie angeführt: Die 
>meisten Leser dieser Zeilen werden der Auffassung sein, dass der grösste und älteste 
>fleischfressende Saurier der Tyrannosaurus rex gewesen sei. Im September 1995 legten 
>jedoch argentinische Paläontologen im Nordwesten Patagoniens die versteinerten 
>Überreste einer bisher unbekannten Dinosaurierart (Giganotosaurus carolinii) frei, 
>der noch grösser als der Tyrannosaurus rex war und vor rund 70 Millionen Jahren in 
>der Kreidezeit lebte. Doch wer sich nunmehr im Besitz «der Wahrheit» glaubte und 
>meinte, als historische Tatsache verkünden zu können, dass der Giganotosaurus der 
>grösste fleischfressende Saurier sei, der jemals auf der Erde gelebt habe, wurde 
>bereits im Mai 1996 eines Besseren belehrt: In Marokko entdeckten Wissenschafter den 
>um 20 Millionen Jahre älteren und noch grösseren Carcharodontosaurus saharicus - was 
>natürlich alle notwendigen revidierenden Konsequenzen mit sich zog. Was für 
>Paläontologen, Gentechniker oder Kernphysiker gilt, hat selbstverständlich auch für 
>Geisteswissenschafter Gültigkeit: Zu Beginn seiner wissenschaftlichen Tätigkeit 
>bezweifelt oder überprüft der Historiker die Ausgangslage, die bisherigen 
>Erkenntnisse und den augenblicklichen Stand der Forschung. Vertritt er jedoch für 
>seine Arbeit diese Grundlage, ist er in den Augen der politisch Korrekten bereits zu 
>Beginn seiner Untersuchungen suspekt. Doch kann wissenschaftliche Forschung gar nicht 
>anders betrieben werden als dadurch, vorgegebene Prämissen zu untersuchen und 
>Ergebnisse nicht vorwegzunehmen. Sonst würde die Erde heute noch als Scheibe verkannt.
>
>	Denkbarrieren statt Diskussionen	
>
>     Die Revisionisten pauschal als «Rechtsextreme» zu diffamieren, hat weder mit 
>einer sachlichen Bewertung ihrer Arbeit noch mit einer notwendigen und kritischen 
>Auseinandersetzung innerhalb der Wissenschaft und Forschung zu tun, sondern ist 
>meines Erachtens ausschliesslich politisch motiviert. Das Motto ist ebenso einfach 
>wie wirkungsvoll: «Mache deine politischen Gegner verächtlich, anstatt sie mit 
>Gegenargumenten zu respektieren, und etabliere so - als dann einzige ernstzunehmende 
>Kraft - deine Positionen in einem breiten Spektrum.» Auf der Strecke bleibt dabei 
>freilich die oft beschworene demokratische Grundordnung, in der eine freie politische 
>Willensbildung garantiert wird. Der ehemalige Verteidiger von RAF-Terroristen, 
>Rechtsanwalt Horst Mahler, meinte unlängst: «Nach französischen Untersuchungen soll 
>es zurzeit in Deutschland mehr politische Gefangene als in der DDR im Jahr vor ihrem 
>Zusammenbruch geben.» Dieser Umstand ist ein erschreckender Indikator für die in 
>diesem Lande praktizierte Meinungsfreiheit.
>
>     Politische Korrektheit verursacht starre Denkbarrieren, die eine offene und 
>problemlösungsorientierte Diskussion blockieren und somit den Weg zu einer geistigen 
>Weiterentwicklung verstellen. Die Freiheit der Forschung darf von keiner Macht in dem 
>Sinne eingeschränkt werden, dass dem Suchen nach Erkenntnis vorgeschrieben würde, was 
>als wahr zu gelten hat. Sonst droht die Forschung zum ideologischen Instrument eines 
>Meinungs- und damit Machtkartells zu verkommen und ihren Stellenwert als 
>Voraussetzung des geistig regen und schaffenden Menschen einzubüssen. Political 
>Correctness ist für einen freiheitlichen Staat eine Bedrohung, da am Ende an dessen 
>Stelle der Staat der Einheitsmenschen, der Gesinnungsstaat, tritt. Nährboden findet 
>die politisch korrekte Kraft jedoch, wie es der Schriftsteller Reiner Kunze nennt, 
>gerade in der gnadenlosen Ideologisierung des geistigen Lebens in Deutschland. Und 
>diese wiederum ist für den Justizminister Sachsens, Steffen Heitmann, Ausdruck eines 
>seelisch kranken Volkes. Man braucht kein Psychoanalytiker zu sein, um hierin den 
>Kern der deutschen Selbstentfremdung zu erkennen.
>
>    * Vom Autor ist erschienen: Sind Gedanken noch frei? Zensur in Deutschland. - 
>München: Universitas 1998.
>
>
>© AG für die Neue Zürcher Zeitung NZZ 1999
>
>http://www.vho.org/D/Beitraege/Nordbruch.htm

Thank you. The article was really quite informative.


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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:03:24 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>The European Union will give 5.9 million United States Dollars to help 
>preserve Auschwitz, the former Nazi death camp which, more than six decades 
>after World War II, is in a state of serious disrepair.
>
>Rafal Pioro, who heads Auschwitz's conservation department, said the EU 
>recently promised the money to fund badly needed repairs to the camp's 
>structures.
>
>Museum officials and others are struggling to preserve Auschwitz - a vast 
>complex of barbed wire, gas chambers, barracks and watchtowers, that stands 
>as historical evidence and as a symbol of Nazi evil. The site gets about 1 
>million visitors per year.
>
>"[The grant] is significant and will let us get started on our complex work 
>on the camp," Pioro said Thursday.
>
>But he estimated the total preservation project will cost about 200 million 
>zlotys ($64 million). Work is scheduled to begin this August.
>
Perhaps it is time to remove the camp and reforest the area?

It would at least do something useful for the planet.


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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:30:24 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>Israel will be a major part of Geert Wilders' next film on Islam, the 
>rightist Dutch legislator said last week in an interview for Haaretz. He 
>praised Avigdor Lieberman, observing "similarities" between Yisrael Beiteinu 
>and the Party for Freedom - a small movement which has grown to become 
>Holland's second most popular.
>
>Wilders, a controversial anti-immigration politician, rose to international 
>fame last year when he released a 14-minute film entitled Fitna, which 
>attempts to portray what he considers as Islam's "violent nature." The film, 
>which has been viewed by millions online, provoked mass protests throughout 
>the Muslim world.

Islam isn't any more violent than Judaism or Christianity. It is just
newer. Islam consists essentially of borrowings from Judaism and
Christianity. All three are collections of myths and fables. The
unfortunate part is that adherents of Islam still take these myths and
fables seriously.

>
>In April Wilders announced he was working on a sequel. Just as Fitna focused 
>on genocidal anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, Wilders said that the 
>sequel - which focuses on "Islamization in the West" - will show "how the 
>forces of Islamization are specifically targeting Israel in a fight against 
>all free societies."
>
>
>He added: "The film will demonstrate that the fight against Israel is not 
>territorial, and hence Israel is only the first line of defense for the 
>West. Now it's Israel but we are next. That's why beyond solidarity, it is 
>in Europe's interest to stand by Israel."
>
>Wilders is facing criminal charges for allegedly inciting hate by comparing 
>the Koran to Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf in the original Fitna film. His 
>party's dark horse achievement in the European Parliament elections earlier 
>this month, he said, is connected to the judicial system's decision to 
>prosecute him.
>
>The Party for Freedom - which has only nine seats in Dutch parliament - won 
>five seats in the June 4 European elections, making it the second largest of 
>all Dutch parties in Brussels. A recent poll shows that if elections were 
>held now, the Party would become the country's largest or second largest.
>
>"The appeals court's decision in January to prosecute me angered many 
>people, as did the decision by the government of the U.K. not to let me 
>enter Britain," Wilders told Haaretz. He added some of the anger manifested 
>itself in the European Parliament election.
>
>According to Wilders, his party's rise in popularity is reminiscent of how 
>Lieberman's party grew to become Israel's third largest. "Our parties may 
>not be identical, but there are certainly more similarities than 
>dissimilarities, and I am proud of that," Wilders said about Yisrael 
>Beiteinu.
>
>"I've met Liebrman and called to congratulate him after the Israeli 
>elections," said Wilders, who visits Israel frequently to meet with leading 
>Israeli politicians, defense officials and opinion-shapers. "Lieberman's an 
>intelligent, strong and clever politician and I understand why his party 
>grew in popularity."
>
>Israel under Benjamin Netanyahu is, according to Wilders, safer because it 
>doesn't automatically accept the two-state solution. But he added: "I am 
>more concerned now about Israel's situation because of the positions of U.S. 
>President Barack Obama."
>
>The president's speech in Cairo "shocked" Wilders, he says. "Until now 
>Israel could rely on the U.S. for support even when the Europeans failed to 
>offer it. Now Israel will have a tougher time," he added.
>
>"The two-state solution is an internal Israeli matter and I hesitate to 
>interfere. But my personal belief is that there is a two state solution for 
>the Palestinians. One of those states is called Jordan," he added.
>Wilders also said that Obama's preference for dialogue with Iran despite its 
>ongoing drive to obtain nuclear weapons - according to Western intelligence 
>reports - is "intolerable."
>
>The Party for Freedom will not join any bloc at the European Parliament, 
>Wilders said. "We will not join an rightist party with anti-Semitic or 
>xenophobic inclinations," he explained. "The attempts to classify us as such 
>are the result of our rivals' panic."
>
>Wilders' party believes in halting immigration to the Netherlands, and 
>banning the construction of mosques in that country. While defending gay 
>rights and supporting animal welfare bills, the Party holds a hardliner 
>assimilations stance on the integration of existing immigrants into Dutch 
>society, and is consistently Eurosceptic.
>
>"Our achievement in the European Parliament owed partly to a protest vote by 
>people who do not accept that their tax monies are funding highways in 
>Portugal and subsidizing Polish farmers. They want their money back - 
>approximately five billion euros."
>
>Described by some as "fascist" and "ultra-nationalist," other Dutch parties 
>have shunned the Party for Freedom, treating it as a pariah movement. 
>However, as its political power climbs, leading centrist politicians are 
>advocating an alliance with Wilders, touching off a heated debate in their 
>parties' ranks.
>
>"We have no power but a lot of influence, and are now a serious force which 
>cannot be ignored," Wilders said. "I think the stale political establishment 
>of the Netherlands doesn't quite know how to close the window that let in 
>our party, like a cool draft of wind."
>
>


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:53:35 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Why should the Germans be different and why should they be doing the 
>fighting to support Americans quest for dominance.

They have no business in Afghanistan being lackeys of the Americans
any more than Canadians have any business there. Americans should
fight their own colonial wars.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 16/06/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-B066B7.10121017062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>
>>
>> German soldiers are softies who lack
>> discipline, hate responsibility and
>> show an inadequate desire to serve their
>> country, according to the army's
>> chief inspector.
>>
>> By Allan Hall in Berlin
>> Published: 12:47PM BST 16 Jun 2009
>>
>> The Telegraph
>>
>> General Wolfgang Schneiderhahn, the
>> general inspector of the Bundeswehr,
>> told the German parliament that despite
>> their positive contribution in
>> Afghanistan, complaints from troops
>> about their conditions were an
>> "embarrassment".
>>
>> "We have given a good account of
>> ourselves in Afghanistan, but we cannot
>> guarantee an all-round feel-good feeling
>> for soldiers," said the general,
>> before going on to detail the less
>> dignified side of the country's armed
>> forces.
>>
>> He cited complaints reaching him about
>> the quality of sleeping bags used
>> in a deployment in the Congo.
>>
>> "Are our soldiers too soft?" asked the
>> best-selling daily German newspaper
>> Bild.
>>
>> Gen Schneiderhahn told politicians in
>> Berlin on Monday that the
>> descendants of the country's mighty
>> military machines of the past needed
>> to have "a better feeling for discipline
>> and to show a greater readiness
>> to serve the state".
>>
>> The Bundeswehr was formed after the
>> Second World War. The German post-war
>> constitution initially mandated the
>> Bundeswehr only to serve in protection
>> of German borders. After a 1994 ruling
>> by the Federal Constitutional Court
>> their remit was expanded to assist in
>> crisis reaction and conflict
>> prevention around the world under Nato
>> and the United Nations.
>>
>> But in Afghanistan they are not allowed
>> at the "sharp end" of fighting
>> with the Taliban and Berlin is under
>> constant pressure from America and
>> Nato to send more manpower. 
>


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:29:36 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Warum.
>kk
>"I'll Always Be 16/06/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-E01929.15411017062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <4a393abf@news.x-privat.org>,
>> ZuLu  wrote:
>>
>>> Neue Zürcher Zeitung ZEITFRAGEN Samstag, 12.06.1999 Nr. 133  94
>>
>> Learn English 
>
"I'll always be" can always get an education. The world owes him
nothing, so if he doesn't understand German, tough.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:43:21 +0200, ZuLu  wrote:

>I'll Always Be 16/06/09 escribió:
>> German soldiers are softies who lack 
>> discipline, hate responsibility and
>> show an inadequate desire to serve their 
>> country, according to the army's
>> chief inspector.
>> 
>> By Allan Hall in Berlin
>> Published: 12:47PM BST 16 Jun 2009
>> 
>> The Telegraph
>> 
>> General Wolfgang Schneiderhahn, the 
>> general inspector of the Bundeswehr,
>> told the German parliament that despite 
>> their positive contribution in
>> Afghanistan, complaints from troops 
>> about their conditions were an
>> "embarrassment".
>> 
>> "We have given a good account of 
>> ourselves in Afghanistan, but we cannot
>> guarantee an all-round feel-good feeling 
>> for soldiers," said the general,
>> before going on to detail the less 
>> dignified side of the country's armed
>> forces.
>> 
>> He cited complaints reaching him about 
>> the quality of sleeping bags used
>> in a deployment in the Congo.
>> 
>> "Are our soldiers too soft?" asked the 
>> best-selling daily German newspaper
>> Bild.
>> 
>> Gen Schneiderhahn told politicians in 
>> Berlin on Monday that the
>> descendants of the country's mighty 
>> military machines of the past needed
>> to have "a better feeling for discipline 
>> and to show a greater readiness
>> to serve the state".
>> 
>> The Bundeswehr was formed after the 
>> Second World War. The German post-war
>> constitution initially mandated the 
>> Bundeswehr only to serve in protection
>> of German borders. After a 1994 ruling 
>> by the Federal Constitutional Court
>> their remit was expanded to assist in 
>> crisis reaction and conflict
>> prevention around the world under Nato 
>> and the United Nations.
>> 
>> But in Afghanistan they are not allowed 
>> at the "sharp end" of fighting
>> with the Taliban and Berlin is under 
>> constant pressure from America and
>> Nato to send more manpower.
>
>Here is the result of the self hating post war education.

That is exactly true. After almost seventy years of relentless
anti-German propaganda by the McVays, McFees, and "I'll always be"s of
this world, they still stupidly expect some esprit de corps from the
soldiers, who are conscripts incidentally, not volunteers. It isn't
likely to happen until such time as the German government starts to
follow policies to the benefit of Germany rather than for the benefit
of Washington and other outside interests.

Angela's constant grovelling to outside interests is enough to make
one puke.


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:55:03 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jun 17, 7:47 pm, Aviroce  wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 12:18 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.spearhead.com/0502-em.html
>>
>> What about the Palestinian Holocaust?  It is at the hands of Jews who
>> complain that some German Holocaust was designed to annihilate them.
>> They have been annihilating Palestinians to replace them by Jews.
>>
>> Mind you the so called the Holocaust is defined these days by
>> multiethnic, multinational, multireligious people killed by the Nazis
>> who used Jews to do the main job.The Jews are determined to annihilate
>> the Palestinian people.  These Jews never learn.
>Why? have they been sent eastward with a loaf of bread, a tin of jam,
>and one suitcase? i think not..

No Bill, they have been murdered, usually with their whole extended
families, so there has been no need for bread, jam, or suitcases.


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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:40:57 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 18/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-5C8366.10103918062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <2tjk351r3qeevgj01pkdedu17rrab2ve79@4ax.
>> com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:34:45 -0700, "ÇDoügßT"  wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Gary Renzetti"  wrote in message
>>> >news:6e366$4a385175$d8fe9ddb$6979@PRIMUS.CA...
>>> >> george wrote:
>>> >>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >>>> "george"  schreef in
>>> >>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googlegroups
>>> >>>> .com...
>>> >>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the canadians do 
>>> >>>>> try
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> keep up mulehead
>>> >>>> From a Canadian War history
>>> >>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1A
>>> >>>> R...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of cemeteries
>>> >>>> with
>>> >>>> dead canadians
>>> >>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Riiiight.
>>> >>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch nazi
>>> >>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>> >>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a retard .
>>> >>
>>> >> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The Yanks 
>>> >> and
>>> >> Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, but fucked 
>>> >> it
>>> >> up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too Far). Thus, the 
>>> >> task
>>> >> fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>> >
>>> >You fucking, whining, whinging reichtard, many men of the 101st and 82nd
>>> >Airborne, who will always be your better, died taking the OTHER bridges
>>> >in Holland (Nijmegen being one). Not to mention the men of the British
>>> >8th Airborne or Polish Airborne Brigade who tried to take Arnhem.
>>> >They were all welcomed as liberators. The Dutch people were obviously
>>> >decent back then and some of them still are today.
>>> >
>>> All the Anglo-American expedition to Arnhem accomplished was the
>>> destruction of the city and the deaths of large numbers of local
>>> residents.
>>>
>>> Americans are famous around the world as vicious fuckups.
>>
>> Their biggest mistake was thinking the
>> dutch deserved to be liberated.
>
>the americans did not give a damn that half of the people were starving for 
>hunger and cold 

Personally, I wouldn't wish an American "liberation" on anybody. The
people of Afghanistan and Iraq are the latest unfortunates to suffer
American liberation. They basically are liberated of their lives and
property is the way these liberations work.


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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:43:26 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>BERLIN (JTA) -- The installation of several new "stumbling block" memorials 
>throughout Berlin recall deaf Jews persecuted in the Holocaust.
>
>Several members of this nearly forgotten sub-category of victims were 
>remembered this week, with the installation of "stumbling block" memorials. 
>Privately funded, they consist of bronze plaques set into the cobblestones 
>in front of buildings where Holocaust victims lived before being deported. 
>The concept for the memorials was developed by German artist Gunter Demnig; 
>they have now been installed in cities throughout Germany, and in other 
>countries as well.
>
>A major memorial dedicated to deaf Jews is unlikely, the director of 
>Germany's Holocaust memorial said Wednesday.
>
>Uwe Neumaerker, director of the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe, 
>said deaf Jews were "a small minority among many others" persecuted during 
>the Holocaust, so a separate memorial is unlikely. But "we would like to see 
>knowledge about them increase," Neumaerker said at the presentation of a new 
>book on the subject
>
>The book, "Overcoming the Past," published in English by the Signum Verlag 
>in Seedorf, grew out of a conference on the history of deaf Jews in Nazi 
>Germany hosted by the Humboldt University in Berlin, and organized by Mark 
>Zaurov, president of the Association of Deaf Jews in Germany.
>
>At the recent installation, neighbors stopped to watch, and to talk - with 
>the help of a sign language interpreter - with Zaurov.
>
>One woman, Michaela, wanted to know in which apartment in her building the 
>Jewish family had lived. "If you 'stumble' on these stones, you think about 
>what happened," she said. 

Creating an unsafe sidewalk isn't exactly a good memorial.


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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:26:40 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>
>"I'll Always Be 21/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-F27166.22072320062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <7a0rekF1r4v12U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 19/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-2FB578.22460718062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <79siklF1sfahaU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "ÇDoügßT"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> news:Jl8_l.51$lv5.12@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> >> > "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>> >> > news:79rr24F1rngneU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Daniel Bernard"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> >> news:41ch355l202ocd51nn318fhri2d6v5rvu9@4ax.com...
>>> >> >>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:32:59 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>> >> >>>  wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>"Daniel Bernard"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> >>>>news:en9h3558fovhle5fjf0uh095b0lcgu5vtk@4ax.com...
>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:14:20 -0400, Gary Renzetti
>>> >> >>>>>  wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>george wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>> "george"  schreef in
>>> >> >>>>>>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.googl
>>> >> >>>>>>>> egr
>>> >> >>>>>>>> oups.com...
>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the 
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> canadians
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> do
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> try
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> keep up mulehead
>>> >> >>>>>>>> From a Canadian War history
>>> >> >>>>>>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Par
>>> >> >>>>>>>> ams
>>> >> >>>>>>>> =A1AR...
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of
>>> >> >>>>>>>> cemeteries
>>> >> >>>>>>>> with
>>> >> >>>>>>>> dead canadians
>>> >> >>>>>>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Riiiight.
>>> >> >>>>>>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted 
>>> >> >>>>>>> dutch
>>> >> >>>>>>> nazi
>>> >> >>>>>>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>> >> >>>>>>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a 
>>> >> >>>>>>> retard
>>> >> >>>>>>> .
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The
>>> >> >>>>>>Yanks
>>> >> >>>>>>and Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, 
>>> >> >>>>>>but
>>> >> >>>>>>fucked it up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too 
>>> >> >>>>>>Far).
>>> >> >>>>>>Thus,
>>> >> >>>>>>the task fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Not quite right there, Gary.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Market Garden was not all about liberating the Netherlands. It 
>>> >> >>>>> was
>>> >> >>>>> primarily about securing crossings into northern Germany,
>>> >> >>>>> outflanking
>>> >> >>>>> the Siegfried Line and encircling the Ruhr. The liberation of 
>>> >> >>>>> the
>>> >> >>>>> north of the Netherlands would have been a bi product of a
>>> >> >>>>> successful
>>> >> >>>>> Market Garden but it was not the main aim of the mission.
>>> >> >>>>> --
>>> >> >>>>> amicalement,
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Daniel
>>> >> >>>>> http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>the failure of this operation led to the most terrible situatyion 
>>> >> >>>>of
>>> >> >>>>the
>>> >> >>>>whole war viz. the famine of the west of the netherlands. after 
>>> >> >>>>the
>>> >> >>>>war
>>> >> >>>>the
>>> >> >>>>english came of and apologize for what they have done wrong
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> The Hongerwinter wasn't the fault of the British. Why should they
>>> >> >>> have
>>> >> >>> apologised for a situation that was not of their making.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> It was the Germans who placed a restriction on food going to the
>>> >> >>> western region of the country and the Dutch government that called
>>> >> >>> for
>>> >> >>> the railway strike that led to the Germans placing a punishment
>>> >> >>> embargo on western Holland.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> It was the retreating Germans who flooded parts of the country by
>>> >> >>> destroying the docks.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> It was only at the fag end of the war that the Germans agreed to 
>>> >> >>> let
>>> >> >>> the Allies drop food to the starving population in Operation 
>>> >> >>> Manna.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> No-one could be blamed for the unusually cold and early winter 
>>> >> >>> that
>>> >> >>> hit the Netherlands.
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>> amicalement,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Daniel
>>> >> >>> http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> correct !!! but it has to be said that the americans did noyt give 
>>> >> >> a
>>> >> >> damn
>>> >> >> and were not prepared to do anything about it, they were too busy
>>> >> >> trying
>>> >> >> to reach berlin first. we owe it to the british and canadians that 
>>> >> >> at
>>> >> >> last a separate attack on dutch soil took place which led to the
>>> >> >> liberation of the rest of holland
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If it wasn't for the USA Holland would still be under German rule. 
>>> >> > The
>>> >> > Frenchies, Canadians, Russians and British put together couldn't 
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > beaten the
>>> >> > Third Reich fucktard, because they were LOSING until the US stepped 
>>> >> > in.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The supplies the US sent to the Russians and British tell the tale
>>> >> > asshat.
>>> >> > If
>>> >> > we hadn't supplied the British and Russians with weapons, ships,
>>> >> > ammunition, vehicles
>>> >> > aircraft, the Eighth Air Force and raw materials you all would have
>>> >> > folded
>>> >> > like a
>>> >> > house of cards.
>>> >> >bullshit stories. those we won the war for us were the russians. 
>>> >> >kindly
>>> >> >note that 45 germans jkept the whole us army busy the whole day long 
>>> >> >on
>>> >> >the
>>> >> >beach of omaha where in good american tradition to yankees landed on 
>>> >> >the
>>> >> >wrong spot.
>>> >> the sending of material to the allies was only done for the self 
>>> >> interest
>>> >> of
>>> >> the americans who did nothing without a certain purpose.
>>> >>
>>> >> fuck the usa as yet for blackmailing the dutch people: we had to give 
>>> >> up
>>> >> indonesia otherwise the marshal aid would be stopped.
>>> >
>>> > How enlightening. Blame the Americans
>>> > for everything, including depriving you
>>> > of your slave colony
>>> >
>>> it was american blackmail my friend.
>>
>> Bwwawaawaa, you were forced to give up
>> your slave colony.
>>
>>
>> the only reason we got marshall aid was
>>> because of the fact the americans were afraid to europe would turn 
>>> communist
>>
>> This is true. You would have been much
>> better off under communist rule.
>>
>>
>>
>>> and in my opinion it was an act of barbarism and blackmail to threaten us
>>> with the stopping of aid unles we gave independence to a nation the dutch
>>> created.
>>
>> It could not possibly be considered a
>> nation if any other country claimed
>> ownership. That would make it a slave
>> colony. How very like you to defend
>> slavery
>>
>>
>>> so get rifd of the idea that you americans were such a mister nice
>>> guy
>>
>> Which in no way is an excuse for the
>> behaviour of you much more civilized
>> dutch
>
>you are usinbg a lot of words from which i learn that you donot agree with 
>my wayof thinking.
>
>fact: american interfered in our internal affairs and used blackmail to get 
>what they wanted. this was a disgusting way to do politics but the recent 
>history has learned us that american politics are still as bad as it was in 
>the 40s 

America started out as bad news in 1776 and continues to be bad news.


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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:33:37 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>
>"I'll Always Be 21/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-496CC6.22072820062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <7a0s0tF1s6am7U2@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 19/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-C40E90.22460018062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <79u65fF1fi9rrU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "I'll Always Be 18/06/09"  schreef in
>>> >> bericht
>>> >> news:aussies_suck-66AFE2.20572817062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > <4ee6c$4a399d96$cf701d16$16423@PRIMUS.CA
>>> >> >>,
>>> >> > Gary Renzetti 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Daniel Bernard wrote:
>>> >> >> > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:14:20 -0400, Gary Renzetti
>>> >> >> >  wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> george wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>> "george"  schreef in
>>> >> >> >>>> berichtnews:a436233f-663d-4da5-b354-bb788de54632@z16g2000prd.google
>>> >> >> >>>> gro
>>> >> >> >>>> ups
>>> >> >> >>>> .com...
>>> >> >> >>>> On Jun 16, 3:23 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>> holland was notliberated by the americans but by the 
>>> >> >> >>>>> canadians
>>> >> >> >>>>> do
>>> >> >> >>>>> try
>>> >> >> >>>>> to
>>> >> >> >>>>> keep up mulehead
>>> >> >> >>>> From a Canadian War history
>>> >> >> >>>> site.http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Para
>>> >> >> >>>> ms=
>>> >> >> >>>> A1A
>>> >> >> >>>> R...
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> And the kraut Dutchman gets its history wrong
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> wrong i donotget anything wrong. this country is fiull of
>>> >> >> >>>> cemeteries
>>> >> >> >>>> with
>>> >> >> >>>> dead canadians
>>> >> >> >>>> and about that vcanadian link: they have got it all wrong
>>> >> >> >>> Riiiight.
>>> >> >> >>> The Official War Histories are all wrong and a halfwitted dutch
>>> >> >> >>> nazi
>>> >> >> >>> is the only one who knows the truth ?
>>> >> >> >>> With your acumen you could work all the way up to being a 
>>> >> >> >>> retard .
>>> >> >> >> Even the link you posted admits that henry is quite correct. The
>>> >> >> >> Yanks
>>> >> >> >> and Brits took a stab at liberating Holland in September 1944, 
>>> >> >> >> but
>>> >> >> >> fucked it up at Arnhem (Operation Market Garden/A Bridge Too 
>>> >> >> >> Far).
>>> >> >> >> Thus,
>>> >> >> >> the task fell to the Canadians in the spring of 1945.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Not quite right there, Gary.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Market Garden was not all about liberating the Netherlands. It 
>>> >> >> > was
>>> >> >> > primarily about securing crossings into northern Germany,
>>> >> >> > outflanking
>>> >> >> > the Siegfried Line and encircling the Ruhr. The liberation of the
>>> >> >> > north of the Netherlands would have been a bi product of a
>>> >> >> > successful
>>> >> >> > Market Garden but it was not the main aim of the mission.
>>> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> > amicalement,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Daniel
>>> >> >> > http://www.sacreesego.com/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Agreed Daniel, but these were trying to claim that the Allies
>>> >> >> liberated
>>> >> >> Holland, which as you're aware ain't what happened.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If the Allies didn't liberate Holland,
>>> >> > who did?
>>> >> >
>>> >> the southern part was liberated by the english/americans. they did not
>>> >> manage to cross the rivers so the northern part of holland remained 
>>> >> under
>>> >> occupation.
>>> >>
>>> >> american/english forces were slaughtered at arnhem so the canadian 
>>> >> took
>>> >> over
>>> >> and did finish the job
>>> >> http://archives.cbc.ca/war_conflict/second_world_war/clips/11568/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > So in fact, despite what renzetti says,
>>> > it was the Allies who liberated Holland.
>>>
>>> listen bonehead:
>>
>> for the rest everybody can say whatever
>> he wants in my opinion as long as it is
>> basedon facts and does not oead to name
>> calling and insults
>>
>> the truth as heinrich sees it
>>
>>
>>>
>>> the canadians liberated the northern part of holland whereas
>>> english/american forces liberated only a part of the southern part of the
>>> country.
>>
>> So renzettii is lying?
>>
>>> the canadfians took to most of the suffering
>>
>> While the Americans took the brunt of
>> the suffering moving into germany
>
>gary is not lying and yes the americans did suffer a lot of casualties while 
>fighting old men and children in germany 

They were operating against less than 10% of the German armed
services. Most of their opponents were Landwehr units consisting of
the over-sixty crowd.


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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:49:24 +0200, "Heinrich"
 wrote:

>
>"I'll Always Be 21/06/09"  schreef in bericht 
>news:aussies_suck-C97898.22081020062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> In article
>> <7a0or0F1tbc0jU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Heinrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "I'll Always Be 19/06/09"  schreef in 
>>> bericht
>>> news:aussies_suck-B452B1.22470618062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> > In article
>>> > <79onj1F1s7gh4U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> > "Heinrich" 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "I'll Always Be 16/06/09"  schreef in
>>> >> bericht
>>> >> news:aussies_suck-56ECE3.21432115062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> > In article
>>> >> > <79olvqF1rtqu5U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> > "Heinrich" 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Patrick Keenan"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> >> news:qMednXu0f4r5LavXnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>> >> >> > news:79ni08F1qm3unU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> "I'll Always Be 15/06/09"  schreef 
>>> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> bericht
>>> >> >> >> news:aussies_suck-F18BE3.10193615062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>>> >> >> >>> In article
>>> >> >> >>> <79m25gF1rpj0qU2@mid.individual.net>,
>>> >> >> >>> "Heinrich" 
>>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>> "Patrick Keenan"  schreef in bericht
>>> >> >> >>>> news:UpydnTDhnrYO_KjXnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> >> >> >>>> > "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>> >> >> >>>> > news:79jghhF1qpnnbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> >> >> >>>> >> The days of the free Internet will draw to a close over the
>>> >> >> >>>> >> next
>>> >> >> >>>> >> five
>>> >> >> >>>> >> years,
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> > Sorry to break this to you, "Heinrich", but the internet was
>>> >> >> >>>> > never
>>> >> >> >>>> > "free".
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> > Every connection, every access point is paid for by 
>>> >> >> >>>> > *someone*.
>>> >> >> >>>> > If
>>> >> >> >>>> > you
>>> >> >> >>>> > manage to avoid fees, someone else is paying for your free
>>> >> >> >>>> > ride.
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> > Perhaps you do not remember Compuserve, where you had to pay
>>> >> >> >>>> > increasing
>>> >> >> >>>> > amounts for both connection speed and amount of content. 
>>> >> >> >>>> > AOL
>>> >> >> >>>> > also
>>> >> >> >>>> > charged for content.
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> > Even "free to air" television isn't free.   It's paid for
>>> >> >> >>>> > directly
>>> >> >> >>>> > by
>>> >> >> >>>> > advertisers, who in turn pass the costs on to every 
>>> >> >> >>>> > purchaser.
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> > 
>>> >> >> >>>> >in europe the cost of content is still free
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> In your wildest dreams
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> i only have to pay for my internet connection and for the rest 
>>> >> >> >> all
>>> >> >> >> is
>>> >> >> >> free apart from the porn sites
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > And so, apparently you don't understand that you pay the costs
>>> >> >> > elsewhere.
>>> >> >> > It isn't free.
>>> >> >> sigh i donot pay a eurio cent extra over the cost of my internet
>>> >> >> connection
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sure you do. Your internet connection
>>> >> > subsidizes lots of hidden costs and
>>> >> > every pop-up you see costs you time,
>>> >> > money and virus protection costs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Apparently you also fail to realize that
>>> >> > the costs of providing you "free"
>>> >> > content are paid by higher prices on
>>> >> > everything that is advertised on the net.
>>> >>
>>> >> i already got a lecture from patrick keenan on this
>>> >
>>> > The average netherite needs to have
>>> > things explained to him/her more than
>>> > once
>>>
>>> that is because you americans use another kind of english than i learned 
>>> in
>>> school.
>>
>> Poor baby
>
>the kind of english you people speak is an insult to the queen's english 

Americans speak and write a vulgar patois they call "American". It has
some passing resemblance to English.



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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:56:32 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5586543/Is-this-the-death-of-the-dollar.html 


The demise of the U.S. dollar would not be that amazing. What is truly
amazing is that it has survived as long as it has, given the
incompetent and corrupt economic management in the USA.


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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:10:32 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>
>"Gord McFee"  schreef in bericht 
>news:2VB%l.68412$op1.53058@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 6/20/2009 3:19 PM, Heinrich wrote:
>>
>>> het is alweer een tijd geleden dat wij iets van de poster met de naam
>>> ben cramer hebben gehoord.
>>>
>>> een geestelijk beperkt persoon vond het noodzakelijk een vervalsing
>>> op internet  te zetten waarvan hij het idee had dat dit wel indruk
>>> zou maken.
>>>
>>> gelukkig viel hij spoedig door de mand en bleek er niets met ben aan
>>> de hand te zijn.
>>>
>>> desalniettemin vind ik het noodzakelijk u er op te willen wijzen, dat
>>> enige support van uw kant wel op zijn plaats is.
>>>
>>> uw adhesie betuigingen kunt u in deze draad kwijt.
>>>
>>> ook joden worden verzocht te reageren.
>>
>> The fact that Heinrich is full of shit is demonstrated by the fact he
>> posts in Dutch, a language most members of this newsgroup do not
>> understand.
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>
>according to you own words you are an experton the german language. since 
>dutch and german have a lot in common my posting in dutch should not 
>troubloe you 

LOL, Heinrich, while Dutch actually IS a Germanic language, it isn't
so similar to High German that one understands one if one understands
the other. The pronunciation rules of written Dutch seem to be quite
different. I can in fact make out quite a few individual words to
their German equivalents, but the intent of the sentence is still
pretty hard to decipher.

After all, Dutch and English are both Germanic languages and both in
the Low German branch, but there are sufficiently large differences to
frustrate unilingual speakers of either one in any attempt to decipher
the other.


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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:53:19 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jun 22, 2:21 pm, Gord McFee  wrote:
>
>> The fact that Heinrich is full of shit is demonstrated by the fact he
>> posts in Dutch, a language most members of this newsgroup do not
>> understand.
>>
> And because of that small but significant point long may he post only
>in Dutch for as long as he exists

George, you can post in the faux-Hebrew that is currently used in
neo-Israel, and nobody will miss your babble.


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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:03:34 +0200, "Heinrich"
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>Police are investigating whether marchers in a recent parade in 
>Saxony-Anhalt broke the law by wearing Nazi-era SS and Wehrmacht uniforms. 
>The incident has sparked outrage beyond the borders of the eastern German 
>state.
>
>The state-funded parade last weekend through the town of Thale had over 
>4,000 participants representing different periods of the state's history. 
>Over 200,000 people came to watch the parade. The uniformed marchers 
>belonged to a club associated with a Dessau military history museum and wore 
>authentic-looking Waffen-SS and Wehrmacht uniforms.
>
>"From my perspective, it was an entirely knowing provocation," state Justice 
>Minister Angela Kolb told the news agency DPA on Friday.
>
>Police from the state capital of Magdeburg are investigating the group to 
>determine whether they violated Germany's strict laws against the display of 
>Nazi symbols.
>
>The club's members had apparently removed or covered up the forbidden 
>swastikas and SS runes from the uniforms.
>
>http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090619-20067.html

If the parade was to invoke different periods of the history of
Sachsen-Anhalt, then there is no difference between the Wehrmacht
uniforms and those of Frederick the Great in 1742. Both are
historically legitimate.




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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:39:45 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti 
>viestissä:g8lk355b56nmb543m9u2jdtrqh3il6g34k@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:03:24 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>The European Union will give 5.9 million United States Dollars to help
>>>preserve Auschwitz, the former Nazi death camp which, more than six 
>>>decades
>>>after World War II, is in a state of serious disrepair.
>>>
>>>
>> Perhaps it is time to remove the camp and reforest the area?
>>
>The Nazis tried that but for some reason they were in a terrible hurry...

The purpose of the camp is to preserve and perpetuate old hatreds.
Perhaps it is time to move on?

>
>Topi 
>


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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:39:54 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:gim145h3f4b1sqpii3l4anlr5o0b29672j@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:39:45 +0300, "Toivo Kottarainen"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  kirjoitti
>>>viestissä:g8lk355b56nmb543m9u2jdtrqh3il6g34k@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:03:24 +0200, "Heinrich"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The European Union will give 5.9 million United States Dollars to help
>>>>>preserve Auschwitz, the former Nazi death camp which, more than six
>>>>>decades
>>>>>after World War II, is in a state of serious disrepair.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it is time to remove the camp and reforest the area?
>>>>
>>>The Nazis tried that but for some reason they were in a terrible hurry...
>>
>> The purpose of the camp is to preserve and perpetuate old hatreds.
>> Perhaps it is time to move on?
>
>Not to preserve and perpetuate, but to remind us of our history and the 
>consequences of our actions.

It is exclusively used as leverage for the Poles and Israelis to
extort money from present-day Germany.

Obviously, this situation is partly the fault of the postwar German
governments which were silly enough to offer money. Germany owes
neither Poland nor Israel so much as a single red cent.


>
>I seem to recall that there's a somewhat well-known  phrase from Santayana 
>about the consequences of not remembering the past.  Perhaps you might 
>consider its meaning. .
>
>One notes that there are memorials to battles in virtually all cultures and 
>countries.
>
>The extension of your suggestion is that the Russians should tear down all 
>memorials to the Great Patriotic War, that the British should bury the 
>memorials to the Battle of Hastings, that the Serbs should forget about 
>their history at Kosovo, that the Americans should forget about the 
>Revolutionary War and the War of Northern Aggression.
>
>And your suggestion also means that you should move on from your views, 
>incuding those about Poles.  But perhaps you don't feel that your words 
>*apply to you*.
>
>-pk
>
>>
>>>
>>>Topi
>>> 


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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:45:12 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:JMU%l.33236$PH1.19079@edtnps82...
>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:4cqdnRIESbp1f6LXnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>> news:bFP%l.31839$Db2.24994@edtnps83...
>>>>
>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:suh%l.32893$PH1.8956@edtnps82...
>>>> Here is a guy who did stumble into the wrong department of Israel's 
>>>> atomics
>>>> research lab what was his name.
>>>> kk
>>>
>>> The name you're thinking of is Mordechai Vanunu and you have the story 
>>> quite wrong.
>>>
>>> He didn't "stumble into the lab", he was working as a technician in the 
>>> weapons program, and he made a concious choice to break his 
>>> confidentiality undertaking.
>>>
>> Is this why he is under house arrest.
>
>
>As I said, Kurt, you have the story wrong, but I understand that this is an 
>entirely normal  - and indeed absolutely necessary  - situation for anyone 
>who subscribes to the tenets of Holocaust "revisionism".

You need to lay off the booze, Pat. Mordechai Vanunu has absolutely
nothing to do with so-called holocaust revisionism.

>
>He's not under house arrest, as you'd know if you did the slightest amount 
>of work, and consulted something other than your imaginings.
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk
>
>
>> kk
>>
>>> Really, Mr. Knoll, it's very easy to find this out.
>>>
>>> -pk
>>
>> 


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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:24:52 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>There are more than one versions about him do some more reading if you can. 
>The holocaust works in a very mysterious way. First they will convince you 
>the next step is to screw you out of your money.

It is a scam similar to the fraudulent phone calls one receives from
people claiming to be bank inspectors, whose real agenda is to fleece
you out of your funds.

The Holocaust™ is about MONEY. Anybody who threatens this lucrative
cash-cow by asking questions is a major threat that needs to be
neutralized.


>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:qtydnQ2gEasVZd3XnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@supernews.com...
>>
>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>> news:JMU%l.33236$PH1.19079@edtnps82...
>>>
>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4cqdnRIESbp1f6LXnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:bFP%l.31839$Db2.24994@edtnps83...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:suh%l.32893$PH1.8956@edtnps82...
>>>>> Here is a guy who did stumble into the wrong department of Israel's 
>>>>> atomics
>>>>> research lab what was his name.
>>>>> kk
>>>>
>>>> The name you're thinking of is Mordechai Vanunu and you have the story 
>>>> quite wrong.
>>>>
>>>> He didn't "stumble into the lab", he was working as a technician in the 
>>>> weapons program, and he made a concious choice to break his 
>>>> confidentiality undertaking.
>>>>
>>> Is this why he is under house arrest.
>>
>>
>> As I said, Kurt, you have the story wrong, but I understand that this is 
>> an entirely normal  - and indeed absolutely necessary  - situation for 
>> anyone who subscribes to the tenets of Holocaust "revisionism".
>>
>> He's not under house arrest, as you'd know if you did the slightest amount 
>> of work, and consulted something other than your imaginings.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> -pk
>>
>>
>>> kk
>>>
>>>> Really, Mr. Knoll, it's very easy to find this out.
>>>>
>>>> -pk
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:12:24 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Promoting the holocaust their way of life. Not only this the holocaust 
>extortion money keeps of flowing.

The flow of funds to Israel is the start, middle, and end of
Holocaust™ promotion.

If interest starts to decline, a new propaganda movie is launched that
makes even more outrageous claims than the one aired last year or the
year before that.

>KK
>
>"Bent Attorney Esq."  wrote in message 
>news:72b4a7af-116a-4967-81ad-c4cb49212556@n21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 22, 11:47 pm, "Truthseeker"  wrote:
>> Great posting here we all know this will make con artist Kenneth McVay 
>> very
>> exited.
>> Kurt Knoll
>>
>
>That's right Kurt.  McVay seems to be very much in tune with Mr.
>Warman. 
>


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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:59 GMT, "Truthseeker" 
wrote:

>Get real do you believe the Germans did kill 6 million Jews. Many of them 
>came back to life collecting hollow money.

There seem to be one hell of a lot of people claiming to be survivors
of Auschwitz. Such large numbers of survivors is inconsistent with the
claims made for the camp.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be 23/06/09"  wrote in message 
>news:aussies_suck-B86C43.10362123062009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
>> Do you believe that 45000 people died in
>> a single air raid on Nuremberg? 
>


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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:26:23 +1200, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7ac36sF1uci0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:h1qknt$jm8$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:7ac1u7F1u529aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>>>> news:h1qipm$89n$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:7ac04sF1uf87qU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>> news:h1qhj3$1ih$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7abtioF1sg8arU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>> news:h1qe0i$dgq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:7ab9vaF1v79e7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Amazing, the old former Nazi soidiers have just about died out and
>>>>>>>>>> there is almost no more of them to chase down and persecute so now 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Jews have to go after killer Nazi trees that are a threat and must 
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> eliminated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094784.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Point out where it says Jews find the tree offensdive.......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're a lazy  liar whose sole objective appears to be to whip up 
>>>>>>>>> Jew
>>>>>>>>> hatred..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> try to keep your cool. it is an article from a jew paper so beyond 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> question of a doubt it is about jews. only jews could raise trouble
>>>>>>>>> about such a minor thing as a tree
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know what a traffic roundabout is? It is being removed to put 
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> in not because Jews object to its presence.
>>>>>>> Either you are totally lacking in comprehension skills or intent on
>>>>>>> whippoing up Jew hatred.
>>>>>>> You hate them so you want everyone else to hate them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>i donote hate jews
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>
>>>> that is because you are jewish, jews never believe goys
>>>>>
>>>>> i o consider them a funny bunch of weirdos always
>>>>>>>whining and  kvetching,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What an ignorant statement.
>>>>
>>>> tilly once said it herself that the jews on the fish market make a lot 
>>>> of noise
>>>
>>> Evidence?
>>> I bet you are lying. That is not the sirt of thing she would ever say.
>>> I will ask her.
>>>
>>>
>> it was a few years ago in a thread about noise making jews. during the 
>> conversation tilly admitted that jews can make a lot of noise espcially on 
>> the market place which she eperienced herself during one of her stays 
>> there
>
>
>In my experience Arabs are much louder , they have to yell to be heard above 
>the music and calls to prayer.
>It's noisy in an Arab  suk and it's filthy. There are carcasses with flies 
>buzzing all over them and the men spit on the pavement .

They are the same Semitic ethnic group as Jews claim to be.

Besides, the Jewish lobby's definition of "Arab" is rather squishy.
They refer to Egyptians as "Arabs", for example, but Egyptians do not
self-identify as Arabs.

It would appear that the whole concept of a huge Arab nation that
spans numerous countries in the middle east is an Israeli fabrication
intended to justify their thefts in Palestine. Palestinians are Arabs
in the same sense that Italians are Europeans, but they are not the
same as Germans or Swedes, who are also Europeans. Europeans are not
interchangeable and neither are the people of the middle east, despite
Israeli efforts to portray any non-Jewish populations as faceless
hordes without any history.




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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:03:38 +1200, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>news:7ac5cjF1tkhg2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:h1ql9d$n1o$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>> news:7ac36sF1uci0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>>>> news:h1qknt$jm8$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:7ac1u7F1u529aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>>>>>> news:h1qipm$89n$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7ac04sF1uf87qU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>> news:h1qhj3$1ih$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:7abtioF1sg8arU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qe0i$dgq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ab9vaF1v79e7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing, the old former Nazi soidiers have just about died out 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is almost no more of them to chase down and persecute so 
>>>>>>>>>>>> now the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews have to go after killer Nazi trees that are a threat and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> must be
>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094784.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Point out where it says Jews find the tree offensdive.......
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're a lazy  liar whose sole objective appears to be to whip up 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jew
>>>>>>>>>>> hatred..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> try to keep your cool. it is an article from a jew paper so 
>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the
>>>>>>>>>>> question of a doubt it is about jews. only jews could raise 
>>>>>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>>>>> about such a minor thing as a tree
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you know what a traffic roundabout is? It is being removed to 
>>>>>>>>> put one
>>>>>>>>> in not because Jews object to its presence.
>>>>>>>>> Either you are totally lacking in comprehension skills or intent on
>>>>>>>>> whippoing up Jew hatred.
>>>>>>>>> You hate them so you want everyone else to hate them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>i donote hate jews
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that is because you are jewish, jews never believe goys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i o consider them a funny bunch of weirdos always
>>>>>>>>>whining and  kvetching,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What an ignorant statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tilly once said it herself that the jews on the fish market make a lot 
>>>>>> of noise
>>>>>
>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>> I bet you are lying. That is not the sirt of thing she would ever say.
>>>>> I will ask her.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it was a few years ago in a thread about noise making jews. during the 
>>>> conversation tilly admitted that jews can make a lot of noise espcially 
>>>> on the market place which she eperienced herself during one of her stays 
>>>> there
>>>
>>>
>>> In my experience Arabs are much louder , they have to yell to be heard 
>>> above the music and calls to prayer.
>>> It's noisy in an Arab  suk and it's filthy. There are carcasses with 
>>> flies buzzing all over them and the men spit on the pavement .
>>> -- 
>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>jews and arabs are both semites so it stays in the  family as they say
>>
>
>
>Jews don't have flyblown carcasses hanging anywhere (there are strict 
>hygiene laws) nor do they spit
>on the pavements.It is very unpleasant having to avoid gobs of spit.

You're living in a dream world. Jews are just people, just like any
others and though their religion says they are special nobody else is
under any obligation to accept the subjective assertions of their
religious superstition.



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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:20:49 +1200, "PB1952" 
wrote:

>"Heinrich"  wrote in message 
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>>
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>>> news:7ac5cjF1tkhg2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
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>>>> news:h1ql9d$n1o$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:7ac36sF1uci0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
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>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:7ac1u7F1u529aU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht 
>>>>>>>> news:h1qipm$89n$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:7ac04sF1uf87qU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qhj3$1ih$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:7abtioF1sg8arU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "PB1952"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:h1qe0i$dgq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7ab9vaF1v79e7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing, the old former Nazi soidiers have just about died out 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is almost no more of them to chase down and persecute so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews have to go after killer Nazi trees that are a threat and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094784.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point out where it says Jews find the tree offensdive.......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a lazy  liar whose sole objective appears to be to whip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up Jew
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hatred..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to keep your cool. it is an article from a jew paper so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> question of a doubt it is about jews. only jews could raise 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about such a minor thing as a tree
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what a traffic roundabout is? It is being removed to 
>>>>>>>>>>> put one
>>>>>>>>>>> in not because Jews object to its presence.
>>>>>>>>>>> Either you are totally lacking in comprehension skills or intent 
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> whippoing up Jew hatred.
>>>>>>>>>>> You hate them so you want everyone else to hate them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>i donote hate jews
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't believe you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that is because you are jewish, jews never believe goys
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i o consider them a funny bunch of weirdos always
>>>>>>>>>>>whining and  kvetching,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What an ignorant statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tilly once said it herself that the jews on the fish market make a 
>>>>>>>> lot of noise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evidence?
>>>>>>> I bet you are lying. That is not the sirt of thing she would ever 
>>>>>>> say.
>>>>>>> I will ask her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it was a few years ago in a thread about noise making jews. during the 
>>>>>> conversation tilly admitted that jews can make a lot of noise 
>>>>>> espcially on the market place which she eperienced herself during one 
>>>>>> of her stays there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience Arabs are much louder , they have to yell to be heard 
>>>>> above the music and calls to prayer.
>>>>> It's noisy in an Arab  suk and it's filthy. There are carcasses with 
>>>>> flies buzzing all over them and the men spit on the pavement .
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>>>jews and arabs are both semites so it stays in the  family as they say
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jews don't have flyblown carcasses hanging anywhere (there are strict 
>>> hygiene laws) nor do they spit
>>> on the pavements.It is very unpleasant having to avoid gobs of spit.
>>> -- 
>>> PB1952@gmail.com
>>>yes i agree that they have still a long way to go to adapt themselves to 
>>>our way of living
>>
>
>
>The problem is many of them refuse to adapt. They expect countries where 
>they  emigrate to
>adapt to them.

That has always been the problem with Jews and is likely the reason
that they have quickly alienated the host population of any area to
which they have migrated.

>
>PB1952@gmail.com 
>


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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:48:12 -0400, "Chairman MaObama"
 wrote:

>
>"cnhktwsgusukfrru"  wrote in message 
>news:c00f98a0-a385-4a1d-add4-7f6cfc225c34@l8g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>You sound like Tokyo Rose during WWII.
>
>On Jun 21, 10:04 pm, baldeagle  wrote:
>> US military bases in Asia is a danger to the host countries.
>>
>> Japan allow US military bases in Okinawa. US service men
>> regularly rape local virgins....they beat us locals just for the
>> hack of it. The Japanese have to tolerate humiliation, rape
>> and insults to the honour of all Japanese....for over 60 years
>> since their surrender at the end of WWII.
>>
>> The USA had nuked Japan....killing hundred of thousands
>> of innocent Japanese ....inflicting terrible pain and suffering
>> to millions more Japanese.
>>
>> The US bases in Okinawa is in grave danger of suffering
>> another nuclear bomb attack...from the enemy of the USA.
>>
>> The USA is goading N Korea...bullying N Korea...imposing
>> sanctions on N Korea, ...is planing to bomb the nuclear
>> facilities in N Korea... in short the USA is forcing N Korea
>> into a dead corner. N Korea is bound to react..with it
>> deadliest weapon...the nuclear bomb. Since N Korea does
>> not have the ability to nuke US mainland, it has no choice
>> but to nuke US bases in Asia. ..Okinawa become the
>> first target of a NK nuclear attack.
>>
>> Japan has only two options. ... to prevent a nuclear attack..
>> One: To get US to move its bases away from Okinawa
>> immediately...away from Japan.
>> Two: To convince N Korea, that Japan is not its enemy...
>> Japan will be a good friend of N Korea...
>>
>> The US bases in S Korea is under the same predicament.
>
>He is but he is the queer-homo version of Tokyo Rose.
>
>
We seem to be dealing with yet another brain-dead American homophobe.
The USA is a giant leap backward for humanity and is totally incapable
of being the leader of the so-called free world.


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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:12:23 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
 wrote:

>US military bases, no longer a security blanket, have
>become highly dangerous to the host nations.

Any country that has American bases, including Germany, should
uninvite them. American bases are nothing but trouble.

>
>When Japan surrendered at the end of WWII, it is forced
>to accept US military bases in Okinawa. The bases are
>symbols of disgrace for Japan.
>US service men regularly rape Japanese virgins....they
>beat up locals just for the hack of it.  The Japanese have
>to tolerate humiliation, rapes, beatings and insults to the
>honour of all Japanese....for over 60 years.
>
>The USA had nuked Japan....killing hundred of thousands
>of innocent Japanese ....the nuclear fall out had inflicted
>terrible pain and suffering to millions more Japanese.
>
>The US bases in Okinawa is in grave danger of suffering
>another nuclear bomb attack...from the enemy of the USA.
>
>The USA is goading N Korea...bullying N Korea...imposing
>sanctions on N Korea, ...is planing to bomb the nuclear
>facilities in N Korea... in short the USA is forcing N Korea
>into a dead corner.
>N Korea may be patient now...but it is  bound to react..with
>it deadliest weapon...the nuclear bomb...soon or later.
>Since their  nukes cannot reach the US mainland, N Korea
>has no choice but to nuke US bases in Asia. ..Okinawa
>become the first target of a nuclear attack from N Korea.
>
>Japanese will become  victims of nukes again...through
>no fault of its own.  The USA is the at fault... it is the one
>who force the N Korean to react. What can Japan do..
>to prevent a nuclear attack.
>
>Japan has only two options. ...
>One: To get US to move its bases away from Okinawa
>        immediately...away from Japan.
>Two: To convince N Korea, that Japan is not its enemy...
>        Japan will be a good friend of N Korea...
>
>If Japan government were to be soft ...acting as a faithful
>US dog to its master, who nuked them into submission,
>then it does not deserve sympathy ...
>
>The US bases in S Korea is under the same predicament.


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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:10:49 +0100, "Mavisbeacon"
 wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:gRQ%l.33140$PH1.6526@edtnps82...
>> Certainly you do not have the foggiest idea how your system works. Or did 
>> you see more in your lifetime than I did.
>
>
>That is your unsupported OPINION again!
>
>The actual FACT is that On March 15, 2005 the Mannheim District Court 
>sentenced Rudolf to two years and six months in prison for inciting hatred, 
>disparaging the dead, and libel.

What is your point? Courts in Mannheim also used to deliver guilty
verdicts against witches, and we all know those don't exist.

>
>
>You can fail to believe that is true but that won't stop it being true.
>
>> KK
>>
>> "Mavisbeacon"  wrote in message 
>> news:5c579$4a3fce4f$596480f8$3385@news.upc.ie...
>>>
>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1uO%l.31815$Db2.24597@edtnps83...
>>>> What I find unique, is the people in charge of the investigations are 
>>>> also in charge of the money collecting. AS for Germar Rudolf I must say 
>>>> there is case in modern history where people are forced to believe in 
>>>> your version only.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>> [snip a LOAD of stuff on which you didn't even bother to comment but left 
>>> it in and top posted something about my closing comments]
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Germar Rudolf
>>>>>> The Rudolf Report
>>>>>> Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects
>>>>>> of the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz
>>>>>> http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rudlof was imprisioned for holocaust denial! Not very objective in you 
>>>>> "homework" are you?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you also believe the Institute for Historical Review produces 
>>>>> a real academic peer review journal too?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are not forced to believe that the Moon has a similar geological 
>>> composition to the Earth. You may if you care to believe that it is made 
>>> of cheese. similarly you may believe Germar Rudlof  was NOT put in prison 
>>> and that the holocaust did NOT happen. Nobody is forcing you to believe 
>>> reality actually exists. You may believe in any counterfactual  mumbo 
>>> jumbo you wish. But don't come here and proclaim it is a fact!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:10:49 +0100, "Mavisbeacon"
 wrote:

>
>"Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>news:gRQ%l.33140$PH1.6526@edtnps82...
>> Certainly you do not have the foggiest idea how your system works. Or did 
>> you see more in your lifetime than I did.
>
>
>That is your unsupported OPINION again!
>
>The actual FACT is that On March 15, 2005 the Mannheim District Court 
>sentenced Rudolf to two years and six months in prison for inciting hatred, 
>disparaging the dead, and libel.

It is a political show trial in the Soviet tradition. The verdict
means nothing.

>
>
>You can fail to believe that is true but that won't stop it being true.
>
>> KK
>>
>> "Mavisbeacon"  wrote in message 
>> news:5c579$4a3fce4f$596480f8$3385@news.upc.ie...
>>>
>>> "Truthseeker"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1uO%l.31815$Db2.24597@edtnps83...
>>>> What I find unique, is the people in charge of the investigations are 
>>>> also in charge of the money collecting. AS for Germar Rudolf I must say 
>>>> there is case in modern history where people are forced to believe in 
>>>> your version only.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>> [snip a LOAD of stuff on which you didn't even bother to comment but left 
>>> it in and top posted something about my closing comments]
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Germar Rudolf
>>>>>> The Rudolf Report
>>>>>> Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects
>>>>>> of the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz
>>>>>> http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rudlof was imprisioned for holocaust denial! Not very objective in you 
>>>>> "homework" are you?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you also believe the Institute for Historical Review produces 
>>>>> a real academic peer review journal too?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are not forced to believe that the Moon has a similar geological 
>>> composition to the Earth. You may if you care to believe that it is made 
>>> of cheese. similarly you may believe Germar Rudlof  was NOT put in prison 
>>> and that the holocaust did NOT happen. Nobody is forcing you to believe 
>>> reality actually exists. You may believe in any counterfactual  mumbo 
>>> jumbo you wish. But don't come here and proclaim it is a fact!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>



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