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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>I'll Always Be Here  wrote:
>
>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>
>Good one.  And these alleged camps for German POWs had no
>crematoriums,  so the "corpses" should be much easier to
>find,  right?

There are still American bases in Germany, and nobody has dug there.
The victims were generally taken away by dumptruck each morning.


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:07 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 7:39 am, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>
>> 1) So what? 800 dump truck loads is easily accomplished in under 100 days
>> with one truck. Of course there are trucks that can carry up to a total
>> load of 80,000 lbs (including the truck)http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1798358&guid=
>> 955B72545B
>> 304A5F919EB0DD3F332645
>>
>> Easily a 10 ton load capability.
>>
>> 2) During the period when the fires were kept continously burning without
>> a break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed and
>> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
>> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
>> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
>> same way.
>>
>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>
>Nowhere as they didn't exist.

They most certainly did exist. The wives and children of the inmates
were threatened with execution if they brought any food or water to
their starving relatives.

It is crap like your "Nowhere as they didn't exist" line that makes me
doubt what you say about the alleged "holocaust™. Your air-headed line
makes it clear that you understand nothing about anything of this
period, so why should what you babble about the holocaust™ be any
different?

>However to reply to the holocaust denier 

LOL

I'm hardly a "denier". I'm a non-believer, and the two are not the
same at all. I know for certain how German men and young boys were
treated in the allied camps and when you cavalierly dismiss and
dispute that, then I know that the rest of what you are saying
consists of lies also.





>who measured his 'fathers'
>net ash remains to the murdered millions I post the following:
>
>An example of how the cremated remains were handled.
>I -could- search out the way they were handled at the mentioned site
>but it would be exactly the same procedure !
>
>Quoted:
>From Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 7
>
>FIFTY-EIGHTH DAY
>
>Wednesday, 13 February 1946
>Morning Session
>Witnesses Manussevitch, Ash, and Khamaydes worked for some time in the
>detachment which cremated the dead bodies of men shot by the Germans
>in the region of Lvov and particularly in the Lissenitzky camps.
>Witness Manussevitch states-I quote, beginning with Line 20 at the
>bottom of Page 2 of our Number 6(c), and on Page 129 of your document
>book:
>
>"When we (the Brigade of Death) had completed the cremation of the
>corpses, we were conveyed at night in cars to the Lissenitzky forest,
>opposite the yeast factory at Lvov. There were about 45 pits in this
>forest, containing the bodies of people previously shot in 1941-42.
>There were between 500 and 3,500 bodies in the pits. These were not
>only the bodies of soldiers of the Italian, French, Belgian, and
>Russian armies, that is, of prisoners of war, but of peaceful
>inhabitants as well. All the prisoners of war were buried in their
>clothes. Therefore, when digging them out of the pits, I could
>recognize the dead by their uniforms, insignia, buttons, medals, and
>decorations, as well as by their spoons and mess cups. All these were
>burned once the corpses had been exhumed. As in the camp at Yanovsky,
>grass was sown on the site of the pits, and trees and dead tree trunks
>were planted so as to erase any trace of the crimes, which are
>certainly unprecedented in the history of mankind."


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:08:25 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Ambrose is on the holocaust industries Payroll. What do you expect he would 
>say. On the other hand if the survivors of IK'S death camp would have been 
>allowed to write their experience into German news papers we would not be 
>here arguing about it.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>kk
>
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:Y8GdnTyDJ7H-sxLVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article <1c5u841st1s38pakm54dindbm5eku401vk@4ax.com>,
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>Bacque's books are well written and well researched. He is not a paid
>>>propagandist for anybody, unlike McVay, McFee, and many of the rest
>>>here. Bacque is consistent with the experiences of people who lived
>>>through that time.
>>
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> With regard to another of Mr. Bacque's conclusions, he arrives at his
>> sensational figure of one million dead through a system of analysis that
>> has left almost everyone who has tried to check his statistics and methods
>> befuddled. He did make one mistake because of a typing error by a clerk.
>> He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners in an Army medical report and then
>> calculated the total death rate for all prisoners in American hands on the
>> basis of that number and the 21,000 deaths also mentioned in the report.
>> That is, he arrived at his most basic conclusion, a death rate in all
>> camps of 30 percent, by dividing the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000
>> prisoners. However, the 70,000 figure should have been 10 times higher.
>> All other figures in the document make it clear that the correct number of
>> prisoners was 700,000. This would make the death rate not 30 percent but 3
>> percent.
>>
>>
>> In fact, as Albert Cowdrey of the Department of the Army's Center of
>> Military History reported to the conference, the overall death rate among
>> German prisoners was 1 percent.

I take it that this guy was another one of Ike's hagiographers. 
>>
>>
>> Mr. Cowdrey's conclusion, strongly supported by another conference
>> participant, Maj. Ruediger Overmans of the German Office of Military
>> History in Freiburg (who is writing the final volume of the official
>> Germany history of the war), is that the total death by all causes of
>> German prisoners in American hands could not have been greater than
>> 56,000.

This is the same kind of nonsense as the allied claim of 35,000
fatalities at Dresden. Keep in mind that the government of modern
Germany is an allied puppet regime that will dutifully parrot whatever
the allies want them to parrot.
b
>>
>>
>> Finally, there is the matter of the column of figures in the weekly
>> reports of the United States Army Theater Provost Marshal entitled "Other
>> Losses." It is here that Mr. Bacque finds his "missing million."
>>
>>
>> What were the "other losses?" Mr. Bacque interviewed Philip S. Lauben, a
>> retired Army colonel who was a member of the German Affairs Branch of
>> Eisenhower's headquarters in 1945. He writes that Colonel Lauben told him
>> "other losses" meant "deaths and escapes."
>>
>>
>> "How many escapes?" Mr. Bacque asked.
>>
>>
>> "Very, very minor," Colonel Lauben replied. Mr. Bacque says they were less
>> than one-tenth of 1 percent, with no explanation of how he arrived at such
>> a figure.
>>
>>
>> Neil Cameron, the producer of the BBC documentary about "Other Losses,"
>> told the conference that he had obtained from Mr. Bacque the tape of the
>> interview. It seemed clear to Mr. Cameron that Mr. Bacque had got an old
>> man to agree with words that Mr. Bacque used and then put in his mouth.
>> Mr. Cameron did his own on-camera interview with Colonel Lauben; in it,
>> Colonel Lauben said he was misled by Mr. Bacque and was wrong about the
>> meaning of the term "other losses."
>>
>>
>> David Hawkins of CNN wanted to do an interview with Colonel Lauben.
>> Colonel Lauben turned him down, explaining in a letter "I'm not being
>> difficult. I am 91 years old, legally blind, and my memory has lapsed to a
>> point where it is quite unreliable. Furthermore I am under regular medical
>> care. Often during my talk with Mr. Bacque I reminded him that my memory
>> had deteriorated badly during the 40 odd years since 1945.
>>
>>
>> "Mr. Bacque read to me figures...It seemed to me that, after accounting
>> for transfers and discharges, there was nothing left to make up the grand
>> total except deaths and escapes, i.e. the term 'Other Losses.' I was
>> mistaken."
>>
>>
>> Thus, Mr. Bacque's only witness for the charge that "other losses" was a
>> cover-up term for deaths has twice repudiated what Mr. Bacque maintains
>> that he said.
>>
>> -- 
>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>> people did hang him after that"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:58:32 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Kenneth is it not amazing paper is very forgiving and you can write anything 
>on it and it will not talk back. How can one verify what you are posting 
>here. Are you sure you are not lying.
>Kurt Knoll.

McVay's response is the usual American whitewashing and apologetics
for their crimes. If the facilities in the American whitewash existed,
they were clearly not the target and were not damaged in the attack.
The attack was against the medieval city core and against the 400,000
refugees fleeing the Soviet forces in the east.

It was not a class act except in demented McVay-think.

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:s9idnbTKVqnxyxLVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>>That is not what the Hague Convention says or implies. Two conditions
>>>have to be met for a bombardment to be legitimate:
>>>
>>>1. There has to be an army on the ground in a position to capture the
>>>city.
>>>
>>>2. There has to be armed opposition trying to prevent the capture of
>>>the city by the enemy army on the ground.
>>>
>>>A few AA batteries do not constitute a "defended city". The first
>>>allied army on the ground close enough to capture the city arrived on
>>>08-May-45, whereas the terrorist attack occurred in mid February of
>>>1945.
>>
>> Which article in The Hague Convention defines "defended?"
>>
>> SII, Article 25 prohibits bombardment of "not defended" sites, but I
>> cannot locate a definition of "defended."
>>
>> According to Wikipedia:
>>
>> The U.S. Air Force Historical Division wrote a report in response to the
>> international concern about the bombing, which was classified until
>> December 1978.[27] This said that there were 110 factories and 50,000
>> workers in the city supporting the German war effort at the time of the
>> raid.[28] According to the report, there were aircraft components
>> factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabric Goye and Company); an
>> anti-aircraft and field gun factory (Lehman); an optical goods factory
>> (Zeiss Ikon AG); as well as factories producing electrical and X-ray
>> apparatus (Koch and Sterzel AG); gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke);
>> and electric gauges (Gebruder Bassler). It also said there were barracks,
>> and hutted camps, and a munitions storage depot.[29]
>>
>> The USAF report also states that two of Dresden's traffic routes were of
>> military importance: north-south from Germany to Czechoslovakia, and
>> east-west along the central European uplands.[30] The city was at the
>> junction of the Berlin-Prague-Vienna railway line, as well as
>> Munich-Breslau, and Hamburg-Leipzig.[30] Colonel Harold E. Cook, an
>> American POW held in the Friedrichstadt marshaling yard the night before
>> the attacks, later said that "I saw with my own eyes that Dresden was an
>> armed camp: thousands of German troops, tanks and artillery and miles of
>> freight cars loaded with supplies supporting and transporting German
>> logistics towards the east to meet the Russians."
>>
>> ... and later adds that the city was largely undefended, excepting a force
>> of 10 Messerschmitt night fighters.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> "We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
>> influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:28:29 -0400, ccrider64@webtv.net (Curly Howard)
wrote:

>When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke.
>The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on
>the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war
>for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all
>the property in the country.. People were living in hovels and starving.
>Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction
>of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses,
>and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the
>decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to
>debt slavery to international lenders.
>Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power
>in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own
>money.

That is one of the reasons that the American east-coast money-clique
was gunning for the guy. Somebody had freed the German people from
slavery to the international money lenders, and that was obviously the
supreme crime.



> In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the
>American Civil War with government-issued paper money called
>"Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a
>plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood
>control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and
>construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port
>facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one
>billion units of the national currency.
>One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury
>Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people
>were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the
>Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by
>gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a
>receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler
>said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a
>mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the
>Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more
>people.
>Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the
>country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt,
>and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States
>and other Western countries were still out of work and living on
>welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was
>denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It
>did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were
>exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international
>banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without
>trade deficits.
>Germany's economic experiment, like Lincoln's, was short-lived; but it
>left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous
>Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway. Hjalmar Schacht, who
>was then head of the German central bank, is quoted in a bit of wit that
>sums up the German version of the "Greenback" miracle. 
>An American banker had commented, "Dr. Schacht, you should come to
>America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied,
>"You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."
>In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry
>commented: Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935
>and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world
>power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war
>operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took
>the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power
>over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such
>history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public
>(government) schools today.
>According to Schacht, then, not only did the government not cause the
>Weimar hyperinflation, but it was the government that got it under
>control. The Reichsbank was put under strict government regulation, and
>prompt corrective measures were taken to eliminate foreign speculation,
>by eliminating easy access to loans of bank-created money. Hitler then
>got the country back on its feet with his Treasury Certificates issued
>Greenback-style by the government


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:33:43 -0700 (PDT), osugeography
 wrote:

>On Jul 29, 12:04?pm, Michael  wrote:
>> On Jul 29, 9:07?am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> > On Jul 29, 5:10?am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> > > cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> > > htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> > The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> "revelation."
>> In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> Sam Suckland
>> just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> Michael Ragland
>
>Hello Michael.
>
>Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-women-being-driven-to-the-gas-chambers
>
>Regards,
>Marvin
>
>Marvin Sebourn
>osugeography@aol.com

The photograph is pretty much meaningless. It shows nothing, and it is
the caption that contains all the inferences.

It is typical of holocaust™ crap. It is a valid photograph of
something, but with a false or misleading caption.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:38:34 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:ed07a16e-bee0-4dd5-991a-29d42f712b71@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1689539.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=CFE42CD446739A488CD33C1927F73832A55A1E4F32AD3138
>
>How do you know they are jews, Michael m'Dear?
>
>
>
>
>> 
It looks more like "execution of captured partisans" than what Michael
is claiming. Hungarian units, and various others, wore similar
uniforms, so it isn't even clear that the executioners were German.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>
>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>
>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>
>What a wanker you are.
>
>
Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
the holocaust™ cult.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:29:58 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:dc182a72-6cba-4cd6-9f02-aacb916e5df6@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/towns.html
>
>The last photo says it all, Micheal m'Dear.
>
>There have not been ANY bones found at Babi Yar. Nothing. When asked why, 
>the yids suggest there was a huge flood which washed everything away.
>
>What HAS been found there, are RUSSIAN cartridge cases.
>
>
>> 
It wouldn't be the first time that allied atrocities, in this case
Soviet, were fobbed off on German units.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:26:35 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:cf787a29-e362-4e8b-b8e4-a13240b0fa44@q28g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 29, 5:37 am, Michael  wrote:
>> http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/images/eg-07.jpg
>
>
>>Your link doesn't work, psycho.
>
>Yes it fucking does, b'luto. 

It looks as if the "corpses" were drawn in. This is a fabrication.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:l83u84psddiv2pum0nchf7d8qmvognl7r9@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>news:oocjk.140790$gc5.107787@pd7urf2no...
>>>> So you say where is your proof. No fabrications please.
>>>
>>>Please try to learn to read, Kurt.
>>>
>>>> lying is your domain and not ours.
>>>
>>>Excuse me, but aren't you the one who just claimed that I think all 
>>>Germans
>>>are war criminals, and aren't you the one promoting the Bacque 
>>>fabrications?
>>
>> Bacque is a Canadian, and he has zero reason to fabricate anything.
>
>He may be and you may think that, but the fact remains that his data are 
>wrong and his conclusions based on false data.
>
>His errors have been well-documented and have been brought to his attention.

His figures ring true to me, and he isn't by any means the only author
to have written along the same lines. You're just a holocaust™ shill
trying to obfuscate and confuse. 

>
>Where is his retraction, or explanation?

There isn't one because he doesn't need one.



>
>> I
>> have read his books, and they ring true to the recollections of my
>> parents about that period.
>
>Are you sure that they aren't lying to you?  Or just wrong?   It wasn't an 
>easy time for anyone, but that's what happens when you start a war that 
>causes massive devastation.
>
>Or perhaps you are lying to us.
>
>> Your stuff, by contrast, does have the ring
>> of total fabrication about it.
>
>This from the guy who claims that Germany did not participate in the Spanish 
>civil war!
>
>That's really pretty funny.
>
>-pk
>
> 


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:07:06 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> In article ,
>>> I'll Always Be Here  wrote:
>
>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>
>>> Good one.  And these alleged camps for German POWs had no
>>> crematoriums,  so the "corpses" should be much easier to
>>> find,  right?
>
>> There are still American bases in Germany, and nobody has dug there.
>
>Were the alleged "camps for German POWs" inside these bases?

You don't need "camps" for corpses.

>
>> The victims were generally taken away by dumptruck each morning.
>
>I assume you have some tangible evidence to support this?  Also,
>where were they taken to?  I think you're lying.
>
>What about the corpses of those allegedly killed in the Dresden
>raid?  Were any of them found?

Yes. They are buried in mass graves in and around the city. There are
numerous monuments in their memory.
  
>
>Not to mention the corpses of the "2-3 million Germans" who
>allegedly died after the war...  what rubbish.

Unlike the holocaust™ fable designed to rake in other people's money,
the German losses in the east involve real people with real property
and with living relatives. Of the 14 million residents of the eastern
provinces, only 10 million were able to save themselves through flight
to rump Germany further west. 




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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:15:47 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp. Every morning 
>the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck. One day the did pile 
>all the death German death prisoners into a pile. A film grew came and took 
>movies. He latter on seen the movie clip with the death striped and nacked 
>German POW in some holocaust movie.
>Kurt Knoll.

That kind of fraud is pretty much par for the course for the allies.
I've seen pictures of Dresden fobbed off as holocaust™ victims as
well. Murdered German boys (some as young as 14) and young men would
be ideal for this macabre allied deception.

>
>; "please"  wrote in message 
>news:g6qaka$1hf$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> I'll Always Be Here  wrote:
>>
>>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>>
>>>> Good one.  And these alleged camps for German POWs had no
>>>> crematoriums,  so the "corpses" should be much easier to
>>>> find,  right?
>>
>>> There are still American bases in Germany, and nobody has dug there.
>>
>> Were the alleged "camps for German POWs" inside these bases?
>>
>>> The victims were generally taken away by dumptruck each morning.
>>
>> I assume you have some tangible evidence to support this?  Also,
>> where were they taken to?  I think you're lying.
>>
>> What about the corpses of those allegedly killed in the Dresden
>> raid?  Were any of them found?
>>
>> Not to mention the corpses of the "2-3 million Germans" who
>> allegedly died after the war...  what rubbish. 
>


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:pv7v84dqbt4kd4ltth2lj442210uh6r182@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:07 -0700 (PDT), george 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 30, 7:39 am, "I'll Always Be Here"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1) So what? 800 dump truck loads is easily accomplished in under 100 
>>>> days
>>>> with one truck. Of course there are trucks that can carry up to a total
>>>> load of 80,000 lbs (including the 
>>>> truck)http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1798358&guid=
>>>> 955B72545B
>>>> 304A5F919EB0DD3F332645
>>>>
>>>> Easily a 10 ton load capability.
>>>>
>>>> 2) During the period when the fires were kept continously burning 
>>>> without
>>>> a break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed 
>>>> and
>>>> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula [River],
>>>> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken from
>>>> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in the
>>>> same way.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>>>
>>>Nowhere as they didn't exist.
>>
>> They most certainly did exist. The wives and children of the inmates
>> were threatened with execution if they brought any food or water to
>> their starving relatives.
>>
>> It is crap like your "Nowhere as they didn't exist" line that makes me
>> doubt what you say about the alleged "holocaustT. Your air-headed line
>> makes it clear that you understand nothing about anything of this
>> period, so why should what you babble about the holocaustT be any
>> different?
>
>Speaking of people who "understand nothing about anything of this 
>period"....
>
>Why are you so willing to deny Germany's extensive participation in the 
>Spanish civil war?

Did the aircraft attacking Guernica have German sovereignty markings?
>
>You claim that Germany had no participation, conveniently but foolishly 
>ignoring the bombers, fighters, transports, 15,000+ troops and the 16 
>million kilos of bombs German planes with German pilots dropped on Spain, 
>with the full knowledge and support of the German government, in support of 
>Franco.

Nonsense. German mercenaries do not equal German participation. Unless
the planes were marked with German sovereignty symbols and the alleged
foot soldiers were wearing German uniforms there was no German
participation.




>
>How, exactly, is that not participation?
>
>Perhaps you understand a lot less of this period than you pretend.
>
>
>-pk
> 


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:03:01 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Jul 29, 1:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> The Poster Boy of Holocaust Revisionism, Kurt Knoll,
>> the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat, polished
>> his Pikelhaube, fluffed his Coal Black SS Totenkopf
>> Tutu with Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter and  wrote:
>>
>> >Ambrose is on the holocaust industries Payroll. What do you expect he would
>>
>> Translation: "I, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot
>> of Kitimat, cannot refute the evidence presented. I cannot refute
>> revelation of Bacque's errors, nor the German government's denouncement of
>> Bacque's conclusions as nonsense. I will therefore change the subject and
>> avoid the issue entirely."
>
>What 'evidence' presented?  Because the German government denounced
>Bacque's research?  That's not evidence.  That is the German state
>complying with the current world view of 'America the good'.  Look at
>the firebombings and nuclear bombings you moron.  That news they
>couldn't suppress.  'Oh we barbecued Hiroshima but we would never
>treat our German DEF's with malice.'  Oh.  That's nice.  Then why did
>they change the designation from POW to DEF?  Why is there relatively
>small outrage concerning the firebombings and nuclear barbecues?  Why
>is the holocaust slammed over our heads again and again and again?
>Don't you ask yourself any questions oh Mr. politically correct?  You
>should.  That's how you get at the truth.  But then I doubt that you
>can handle the truth.

LOL

The same German puppet regime that McVay looks to for "proof" also
claimed that German units were responsible for Katyn, so how much
credibility can one give to their "denunciations"?

>
>> `
>>
>> >say. On the other hand if the survivors of IK'S death camp would have been
>> >allowed to write their experience into German news papers we would not be
>> >here arguing about it.
>>
>> There were no Allied "death camps," Frau Pikelhaube, so there were no
>> "survivors" of "Ike's death camps."
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> within the treaty.
>>
>> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
>> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
>> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
>> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
>> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> as you have claimed.
>>
>> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> claimed.
>>
>> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> --
>> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008)


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Jul 30, 6:10 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote in news:84fd5d4c-1a37-4e30-9959-174355238e50
>> @x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 29, 1:13 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> >> In article ,
>> >> The Poster Boy of Holocaust Revisionism, Kurt Knoll,
>> >> the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat, polished
>> >> his Pikelhaube, fluffed his Coal Black SS Totenkopf
>> >> Tutu with Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter and 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Ambrose is on the holocaust industries Payroll. What do you expect he
>> wo
>> > uld
>>
>> >> Translation: "I, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Village
>> Idio
>> > t
>> >> of Kitimat, cannot refute the evidence presented. I cannot refute
>> >> revelation of Bacque's errors, nor the German government's denouncement
>> o
>> > f
>> >> Bacque's conclusions as nonsense. I will therefore change the subject
>> and
>> >> avoid the issue entirely."
>>
>> > What 'evidence' presented?  Because the German government denounced
>> > Bacque's research?  That's not evidence.  That is the German state
>> > complying with the current world view of 'America the good'.  Look at
>> > the firebombings and nuclear bombings you moron.  That news they
>> > couldn't suppress.  'Oh we barbecued Hiroshima but we would never
>> > treat our German DEF's with malice.'  Oh.  That's nice.  Then why did
>> > they change the designation from POW to DEF?
>>
>> You know why. That's been answered repeatedly.
>>
>>   Why is there relatively
>>
>> > small outrage concerning the firebombings and nuclear barbecues?
>>
>> Where is your outrage over Coventry and Bath?
>>
>I'm not saying that the German bombing of civilians was the right
>thing to do.  It's all a ghastly business.  That' includes what the
>allies did.

Coventry was the site the the Rolls Royce aircraft-engine plant, and
the number of civilian casualties was very small, as compared to
Anglo-American attacks in Germany where the civilians were the actual
target. The holocaustorians are deceptively trying to compare apples
and oranges.

>
>> >  Why is the holocaust slammed over our heads again and again and again?
>>
>> So that you good guys don't do it again.
>>
>
>I sure as heck don't want to start a holocaust of any people Mr.
>autumn squash head.
>
>> > Don't you ask yourself any questions oh Mr. politically correct?  You
>> > should.  That's how you get at the truth.  But then I doubt that you
>> > can handle the truth.
>>
>> Here's a question for you to answer. Concerning the purported "Eisenhower
>> Death Camps", where are the bodies? Not one body, not any proof, no death
>> camps.
>>
>Oh. I'm sure they looked real hard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> `
>>
>> >> >say. On the other hand if the survivors of IK'S death camp would have
>> be
>> > en
>> >> >allowed to write their experience into German news papers we would not
>> b
>> > e
>> >> >here arguing about it.
>>
>> >> There were no Allied "death camps," Frau Pikelhaube, so there were no
>> >> "survivors" of "Ike's death camps."
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that "Gussen was a regional crematorium
>> >> and therefore also included civilian death from this area," as you
>> >> claimed on July 3, 2008.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that "the Germans killed more Jews
>> >> that were ever alive" as you claimed on June 28, 2008
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that reporters or photographers carried
>> >> "5 or 6" striped inmate uniforms from concentration camp to
>> >> concentration camp just to photograph people wearing them,
>> >> as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to prove that (1) human fat will not combust, and
>> >> (2) contribute to the heat of the cremation process, as you
>> >> have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove the existence of a single "Eisenhower
>> >> death camp," as you have claimed, and you have ignored the fact
>> >> that the German Government itself has said that Bacque's
>> >> assertions about hundreds of thousands of German soldiers being
>> >> deliberately starved to death is absolute rubbish.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to document that concentration camp guards -
>> >> ANY concentration camp guards - were ever placed under any
>> >> sort of "gag order" by anyone, as you have claimed, nor have you
>> >> been able to produce this alleged "gag order," or point to any
>> >> archive, anywhere in the world, where it might be found.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove your incredibly stupid assertion that
>> >> 45,000 people died during the bombing of Nurnberg as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to prove your bizarre assertion that someone,
>> >> somewhere, said that the Germans killed prisoners at Mauthausen
>> >> as soon as they arrived by train, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have yet to show which clause of the Versailles Treaty, exactly,
>> >> prohibits the construction of Polish military installations along
>> >> the Polish Corridor, even though you claim such a prohibition exists
>> >> within the treaty.
>>
>> >> YOU have failed to produce any "agreement" between the Allies and the
>> >> post-war German government that banned "butting" the Allies in "a bad
>> >> light" as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or
>> not
>> >> materials you claim are "banned," as you have claimed, are available.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of
>> newspaper
>> > s
>> >> printed between 1918 and 1939, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim
>> about
>> >> gassings at Dachau.
>>
>> >> YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque
>> exists
>> >> outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there,
>> >> as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
>> >> Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust," as you have
>> >> claimed.
>>
>> >> THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
>> >> easily revealed as a blatant lie.
>>
>> >> YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
>> >> "dissection" of Holocaust historiography, as you have claimed.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> >> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> >> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> >> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008)
>>
>>


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:27:04 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:un5u841jggsumi85bstuqe33lm7khtru5l@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:02:29 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 28, 1:08 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>> In article 
>>>> ,
>>>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Our govt has been telling us for 60 years about how much we helped the
>>>> >german people after the war!! I read a book last year about Hamburg,
>>>> >the city that was obliterated by the allies and their terror bombing.
>>>> >It said that the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies
>>>> >tried to run the city and caused mass famine.
>>>>
>>>> Please spare us the crocodile tears for the poor Germans who were bombed
>>>> as a direct result of their having started a war of aggression.
>>>
>>>You are saying that Germans that were murdered were somehow guilty?
>>>Of what McVay?
>>>Why focus on places that you want us to focus at?  Your heart bleeds
>>>not for innocent Germans does it you hateful bitch?
>>
>> McVay continues to pound the propaganda drum on relatively trivial
>> events such as Guernica, Rotterdam, and Warsaw. In the case of
>> Guernica, it had nothing to do with Germany. The incident in question
>> happened during the Spanish civil war, and Germany was not a
>> participant in the Spanish civil war.
>
>Thanks for demonstrating, so clearly, the brain-dead ignorance required for 
>Holocaust Denial and "Revisionism"!
>
>The German Nazi Government sent many planes, tanks, much materiel, and 
>15,000 troops at the start of the war, to support Franco.
>
>German planes, piloted by Germans,  dropped 16,953,700 kilos of bombs during 
>the Spanish Civil War.    This is where "carpet bombing" was developed.
>
>Yes, Germany was most certainly a participant in the Spanish civil war.
>
>Are you actually trying look this uninformed?   Please try to learn 
>something before posting!

No units of the Reichswehr were ever involved in Spain, either on the
ground or in the air. American aircraft get used all over the world,
but that hardly makes the American state, let alone the American
public, responsible for whatever carnage they may have wrought.

The Spanish civil war was the business of Spaniards, and they take
responsibility for whatever took place.

>
>-pk
>
>
>
> 


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>wrote:
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
>> I notice that Ragland has not commented on the discrepancy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.

You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?

Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:40:18 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:cak094lu85k61gop9tuh8sd9qvpm9porgf@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:29:58 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Michael"  wrote in message
>>>news:dc182a72-6cba-4cd6-9f02-aacb916e5df6@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/towns.html
>>>
>>>The last photo says it all, Micheal m'Dear.
>>>
>>>There have not been ANY bones found at Babi Yar. Nothing. When asked why,
>>>the yids suggest there was a huge flood which washed everything away.
>>>
>>>What HAS been found there, are RUSSIAN cartridge cases.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>> It wouldn't be the first time that allied atrocities, in this case
>> Soviet, were fobbed off on German units.
>
>This entire Holocaust(tm) thing is a fabrication by the Soviets, designed to 
>blacken the Germans. It really didn't get any leverage internationally until 
>the American yids picked up and ran with it.

Obviously they quickly sized up the financial potential of this story.

>
>For posting what I did now, and about the Russian cartridge cases being 
>found at Babi Yar, I could go to jail in Germany.
>
>Such a protection racket already.
>


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 30, 11:12 am, a-little-sanity,  please 
>wrote:
>> In article ,
>> B. H. Cramer  wrote:
>>
>> > What death camps, Michael m'Dear?
>>
>> The death camps which *you* wrote about,  you silly old thing:
>>
>> In Message-ID:
>>  you wrote
>> the following:
>>
>> "Kurt Schlesinger walked the tightrope of a survivor. He was the
>> type of person who left the impression that he possessed deplorable
>> mentality.  After all, he was prepared to sacrifice the lives of over
>> one hundred thousand fellow prisoners, sending them to certain death
>> in the camps of Auschwitz/Birkenau and Sobibor in order to safe his
>> own and that of some of the German alte Lagerinsassen".
>>
>> If you deny the Holocaust,  can you explain why you believe
>> that sending these people (over one hundred thousand of them)
>> to Sobibor and Birkenau meant certain death for them?
>
>It is well known that at some point "Resettlement to the East" meant
>extermination of European Jewry by Nazi Germany; all so-called plans
>at deportation were not possible because of the war and most of
>countries unwilling to accept European Jews. "Resettlement of the
>Jews" became a euphemism" just like "special treatment". All you can
>do is deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. You are completely useless in this
>regard.

Why would Nazi officials bother with nebulous euphemisms for their
intentions? They didn't do so for partisans and other irregulars, so
why would they do this here? None of this documentation was ever
intended to fall into allied hands. The Soviets meticulously told the
truth in their archives, since if some enemy was reading the contents,
then the regime must be history and secrecy would no longer be an
issue.

I don't see anybody here denying anything. People just don't find your
fables very convincing, and that is YOUR problem, not theirs.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:25:34 -0700 (PDT), william hubbard
 wrote:

>On Jul 29, 2:28 pm, ccride...@webtv.net (Curly Howard) wrote:
>> When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke.
>> The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on
>> the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war
>> for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all
>> the property in the country.. People were living in hovels and starving.
>> Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction
>> of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses,
>> and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the
>> decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to
>> debt slavery to international lenders.
>> Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power
>> in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own
>> money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the
>> American Civil War with government-issued paper money called
>> "Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a
>> plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood
>> control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and
>> construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port
>> facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one
>> billion units of the national currency.
>> One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury
>> Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people
>> were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the
>> Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by
>> gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a
>> receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler
>> said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a
>> mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the
>> Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more
>> people.
>> Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the
>> country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt,
>> and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States
>> and other Western countries were still out of work and living on
>> welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was
>> denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It
>> did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were
>> exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international
>> banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without
>> trade deficits.
>> Germany's economic experiment, like Lincoln's, was short-lived; but it
>> left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous
>> Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway. Hjalmar Schacht, who
>> was then head of the German central bank, is quoted in a bit of wit that
>> sums up the German version of the "Greenback" miracle.
>> An American banker had commented, "Dr. Schacht, you should come to
>> America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied,
>> "You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."
>> In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry
>> commented: Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935
>> and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world
>> power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war
>> operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took
>> the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power
>> over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such
>> history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public
>> (government) schools today.
>> According to Schacht, then, not only did the government not cause the
>> Weimar hyperinflation, but it was the government that got it under
>> control. The Reichsbank was put under strict government regulation, and
>> prompt corrective measures were taken to eliminate foreign speculation,
>> by eliminating easy access to loans of bank-created money. Hitler then
>> got the country back on its feet with his Treasury Certificates issued
>> Greenback-style by the government
>
>  he should have stopped with the Vdub and the autobahn..

It would have made no difference what Hitler did or didn't do. 

The allies had been preparing for a new war against Germany since the
late twenties, long before Hitler and his NSDAP even came to power.
When Versailles failed to destroy Germany, then more classical methods
needed to be employed.

Britain, after all, held the world record for the sheer number of
wars, including such pearls as the War of Jenkin's Ear and the Opium
War against China. There is nothing benign or moral about Britain and
its efforts to hang onto world domination at all costs.

They saw Germany as a dangerous economic and political rival on the
European continent and they were determined to eliminate that rival.
It would have made no difference whatsoever who was in power in
Germany when they finally figured they were ready.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:06:20 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Can't name a single one. No proof, no 6 million dead. 
>
The USA autopsied thousands of corpses, but not one died of the toxic
effects of HCN or similar poisons.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:10:22 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message 
>news:KYXjk.42143$_03.22295@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Can't name a single one. No proof, no 6 million dead.
>
>Yad Vashem can only come up with less than 3 million names. And that is only 
>achieved by counting many of the names more than once.
>
>This entire Holocaust thing is a giant confidence trick.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> 
>
My personal rule of thumb, using the Rotterdam example of 30,000
victims according to allied propaganda and 850 victims according to
the city administration, is that when faced with an allied claim of X
victims, the truth will fall somewhere in the 3% to 7% range of their
claims.


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT), I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN
 wrote:

>On 30 jul, 13:05, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article <829v84hjha1cmosh1dkoa8tc00n8pgt...@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:58:32 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>Kenneth is it not amazing paper is very forgiving and you can write anything
>> >>on it and it will not talk back. How can one verify what you are posting
>> >>here. Are you sure you are not lying.
>> >>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >McVay's response is the usual American whitewashing and apologetics
>> >for their crimes. If the facilities in the American whitewash existed,
>> >they were clearly not the target and were not damaged in the attack.
>> >The attack was against the medieval city core and against the 400,000
>> >refugees fleeing the Soviet forces in the east.
>>
>> >It was not a class act except in demented McVay-think.
>>
>> Translation: "I, Leading Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf, cannot refute
>> the evidence presented. Hell, I'm not even going to try."

You haven't presented any evidence, so what is there to refute? 

>>
>> You cannot show where, in either Hague Convention, the word "defended" is
>> defined.

Yawn. International Law is quite clear on the topic. All you need to
do is to look up the agreement. The convention is pre-WW1, so a few AA
positions would NOT have been there as an exception or have been
defined as a "defended city".


>>
>> You cannot provide a single shred of documentation which refutes the
>> American report that "110 factories and 50,000 workers in the city
>> supporting the German war effort at the time of the raid."

There is nothing to refute. A few porcelain factories that were not
even damaged proves nothing. Even if the allied paper were true, it
does not justify a terrorist attack against 400,000 refugees from the
east. 

>>
>> Nor can you refute the report's contention regarding the importance
>> of the two military routes in use, or the eyewitness report that there
>> were thousands of German troops in the city, i.e. it was defended.

There was no allied army on the ground prepared to capture the city,
so the attack was a terrorist attack on an open city.

>>
>> As usual, v. Ebersdorf, you're knolling.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning."

Are you really stupid enough to believe that your blizzard of allied
paper is actually "proof" of anything other than that the allies were
in the position to produce that paper?

>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.

Read some Polish history. There is a reason that so many Polish Jews
moved west into Germany, and it wasn't because Poland was
heaven-on-earth for them.

>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?

Initial American claims were 26 million for this camp, accompanied by
all kinds of fantastic fables about "events" at the camp. When reality
struck, the total death roll was 18 thousand, which is a mite fewer
than 26 million.

>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.

Take your pick. ALL the documents were available in English before
they were available in German.

>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.

The allied "copies" were simply defined as "correct", since there was
nobody to oppose this travesty. There is no evidence that originals
ever existed.

>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.

Britain launched its campaign against the Rhineland towns and villages
>from the first day of the war, and the German government did not
respond for over six months.

>>
>> --
>>  "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
>>  (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>>  The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>
>http://groups.icq.com/groups/index.php?act=view_topic&group_id=545&topic_id=121528&forum_page=1
>
>SEE EBERSDORF  Spanish court rules out jail sentences for Holocaust
>denial

Spain is in Europe, but Spain does not equal Europe. In Germany, it is
a crime to question the allied version of WW2. The German government
knows very well what it is doing, since it knows that its lies will
not stand up to scrutiny, so the solution is to shield the lies from
scrutiny by promises of five-years imprisonment.

>
>
>By Assaf Uni, Haaretz Correspondent in Berlin
>
>
>Spain's Constitutional Court ruled Thursday that Holocaust denial
>will
>not be punishable by imprisonment, saying it falls within freedom of
>speech.
>
>
>Spanish law had mandated a sentence of up to two years in prison for
>Holocaust denial. But the court, which deliberated on the case
>following the trial of a neo-Nazi activist, ruled that such a
>punishment was unconstitutional.
>
>
>


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:27:28 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"Michael"  wrote in message 
>news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 28, 8:04 pm, "The Quantum Shaman" 
>wrote:
>> http://domarisociety.googlepages.com/aboutthedomaricommunitycenter
>>
>> My people (forefathers) have lived in the Old City of Jerusalem and the 
>> West
>> Bank for over 100 years, and yet, in many ways, during these 100 years our
>> standard of living and status of life has not changed. Many of my people
>> still live without electricity, many do not have indoor plumbing, and many
>> cannot read or write.
>>
>> What are the goals of this new organization, Domari: the Society of 
>> Gypsies
>> in Israel?
>>
>> We would like to raise our standard of living through education and health
>> care.
>>
>> Many of the Gypsy children do not attend school because they are
>> discriminated against by the teachers and other students. Many are ashamed
>> to go to school because they do not have clothes or backpacks like the 
>> other
>> children. Because their parents did not attend school they are unable to 
>> get
>> good jobs and don't have the money needed to buy the books and school
>> supplies.
>>
>> If the children were to attend school, they would be able to get better 
>> jobs
>> and raise their standard of living.
>>
>> Health care is another concern of our organization. We need to teach the
>> women how to care for the health of their children and family. We need to
>> look at how we can help the disabled in our community. Currently there is 
>> no
>> health care available in our community. This needs to be changed.
>>
>> --
>> +
>>
>> Pucker your lips for the Apocalypse!
>>
>> Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future
>>
>> http://music.download.com/johnnyasia
>>
>> http://johnnyasia.info/
>>
>> "If you want to know what the future of
>> music sounds like..listen to Johnny Asia,
>> then you'll know!" - Jazz Guitarist Dom Minasi
>>
>> +
>>
>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
>
>
>>The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>
>How did he manage that? They still exist.
>
>
>
Obviously those survivors have no pull, since the German government
refused to give them a single red Pfennig, since the Roma don't have
the backing of the USA. 

The only reason that Israel got any money is because the USA was their
enforcer in this extortion racket.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:53:28 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message 
>news:gfk294lcq72p59b8ilam9cujhkdma76ufh@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Re Gypsys. They are no differend than we are. There aregood an bad once in
>>>every race.
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> They certainly are different.  They're all thieves.  Just like jews.
>>
>> Eli
>>
>>>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>>>news:b5h294lokgvmlikoa9rq5op3sindtlkt55@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:57:15 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 30-Jul-2008, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , "Truth
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>> Out"  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > "Michael"  wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > How did he manage that? They still exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do tell. My parents once had the termites in their front yard
>>>>>> exterminated. Needless to say, termites still exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most genocides in history have been partial. The Herero, Namaqua,
>>>>>> Tasmanians, Armenians, Jews, Roma, Sinti, Hutus, and Bosnian Muslims,
>>>>>> among others, have all been the objects of partially successful
>>>>>> genocides.
>>>>>
>>>>>Proportionally speaking, they probably killed as many Roma as Jews.
>>>>>It's harder to get population figures on Roma, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>Susan
>>>>
>>>> "Roma"?  They're gypsy scum, you thick Irish cunt.
>
>How does the song go again "Gypsies, tramps and jews" or something like that 
>;-)
>
Even in English, "gyped" or "jewed" is a synonym for defrauded. Where
there is smoke, there is probably some fire. There is a reason that
these terms came to be part of the English language.



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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 30, 4:43 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> osugeography wrote:
>> > On Jul 29, 12:04 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jul 29, 9:07 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Jul 29, 5:10 am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> >>>>htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> >>>The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> >>It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> >>"revelation."
>> >>In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> >>Sam Suckland
>> >>just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> >>Michael Ragland
>>
>> > Hello Michael.
>>
>> > Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>> >http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-wome...
>>
>> LOL. Pressac shows that photo also.
>> According with the visible trees and the chimney of Krema IV or V on bottom left, that
>> photo seems to have been taken near Zentral Sauna and Kanada.
>>
>> Any savage SS guard to force them to go to any part. The group appears as peaceful.
>> The direction they take is NOT toward ANY Krema but likely to Zentral Sauna.
>> They can go there to take a shower while their effect would be treated.
>>
>> ON that plan, the group can be located on the left of the label "Canada", between the
>> perimeter fence and the main road.
>>
>> http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/Auschwitz/map.jpghttp://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/images/auschwitz19...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>What is that over towering structure accopanying the "naked women".
>You people are so purposefully deluded and in denial but your
>instincts are fully aware of the Holocaust...that it occurred.

Nonsense. The event that you try to float as the holocaust™ did not
occur. There is no doubt that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, and
very few dispute that, but the total death toll would be under 0.5
million with no gassings. 

There are just too many loose ends in your story that make no sense.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:04 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:nbi3945kk5j1hnv9gesai0vst2phtklmh4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:l83u84psddiv2pum0nchf7d8qmvognl7r9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:oocjk.140790$gc5.107787@pd7urf2no...
>>>>>> So you say where is your proof. No fabrications please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please try to learn to read, Kurt.
>>>>>
>>>>>> lying is your domain and not ours.
>>>>>
>>>>>Excuse me, but aren't you the one who just claimed that I think all
>>>>>Germans
>>>>>are war criminals, and aren't you the one promoting the Bacque
>>>>>fabrications?
>>>>
>>>> Bacque is a Canadian, and he has zero reason to fabricate anything.
>>>
>>>He may be and you may think that, but the fact remains that his data are
>>>wrong and his conclusions based on false data.
>>>
>>>His errors have been well-documented and have been brought to his 
>>>attention.
>>
>> His figures ring true to me,
>
>Then you should actually check them.

We saw what formerly healthy relatives looked like after they came
home from the American camps. I just won't buy into any airheaded
lectures from you. You don't know what you're babbling about.

>
>-pk 


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Subject: Re: Wicked knollish Filth lies about almost everything
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:48:44 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:p1j394tq91ojglmfq5ddk0rvb5fu33bgia@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:pv7v84dqbt4kd4ltth2lj442210uh6r182@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:07 -0700 (PDT), george 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Jul 30, 7:39 am, "I'll Always Be Here"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) So what? 800 dump truck loads is easily accomplished in under 100
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> with one truck. Of course there are trucks that can carry up to a 
>>>>>> total
>>>>>> load of 80,000 lbs (including the
>>>>>> truck)http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1798358&guid=
>>>>>> 955B72545B
>>>>>> 304A5F919EB0DD3F332645
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easily a 10 ton load capability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) During the period when the fires were kept continously burning
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> a break, the ashes fell through the grates and were constantly removed
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> crushed to powder. The ashes were taken by truck to the Vistula 
>>>>>> [River],
>>>>>> where they immediately dissolved and drifted away. The ashes taken 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the burning pits near Bunker II and from Crematory V were handled in 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Where are the bodies for the supposed Eisenhower Death Camps?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nowhere as they didn't exist.
>>>>
>>>> They most certainly did exist. The wives and children of the inmates
>>>> were threatened with execution if they brought any food or water to
>>>> their starving relatives.
>>>>
>>>> It is crap like your "Nowhere as they didn't exist" line that makes me
>>>> doubt what you say about the alleged "holocaustT. Your air-headed line
>>>> makes it clear that you understand nothing about anything of this
>>>> period, so why should what you babble about the holocaustT be any
>>>> different?
>>>
>>>Speaking of people who "understand nothing about anything of this
>>>period"....
>>>
>>>Why are you so willing to deny Germany's extensive participation in the
>>>Spanish civil war?
>>
>> Did the aircraft attacking Guernica have German sovereignty markings?
>
>Were the planes and their munitions supplied for money by the German 
>Government, were they from the German Air Force, were the pilots Germans 
>there under direction by the German Government?
>
>Yes, or no?
>
>All this materiel didn't just show up in Spain.   It was officially 
>requested and officially supplied.
>
>The markings mean nothing in respect to official German involvement.
>
>
>>>
>>>You claim that Germany had no participation, conveniently but foolishly
>>>ignoring the bombers, fighters, transports, 15,000+ troops and the 16
>>>million kilos of bombs German planes with German pilots dropped on Spain,
>>>with the full knowledge and support of the German government, in support 
>>>of
>>>Franco.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>Your pretend argument certainly is.   It's embarrasingly lame, really.
>
>> German mercenaries do not
>
>"German mercenaries" do not bring with them large amounts of hardware and 
>munitions that happen to be the property of the German Government, without 
>the active and knowing participation of the German Government.
>
>> equal German participation.
>
>What an incredibly lame excuse for an an excuse.
>
>The payments for all these military material and services were paid *to the 
>German Government*, who this participated in the Spanish civil war.
>
>
>> Unless
>> the planes were marked with German sovereignty symbols
>
>No, not unless.   The very fact that these planes were there,  with the full 
>support of the German Government, demonstrates their full and knowing 
>participation.
>
>You're caught here.   You are wrong, and your excuse just does not wash.
>
>> and the alleged
>> foot soldiers were wearing German uniforms there was no German
>> participation.
>
>Oh, yes there was.   Franco requested this material and these services *from 
>the German Government*, for money.   The German Government as the Government 
>of Germany, accepted.
>
>He asked, he offered money to the German Government, they accepted,  they 
>waded in.
>
>It's completely clear, no matter how much you pretend.   The German 
>Government was thoroughly involved in the Spanish Civil War, on Franco's 
>side.
>
>You really aren't very good at this.   In fact you're embarassingly bad.
>
>Please consider education.

LOL

You're an airhead with nothing to say and no points to make.
My education would easily exceed anything you have to offer.
What a pompous jerk you are.


>
>HTH
>-pk
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>How, exactly, is that not participation?
>>>
>>>Perhaps you understand a lot less of this period than you pretend.
>>>
>>>
>>>-pk
>>> 


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:15:38 EDT 2008
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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazi's shoot Jews
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 7:59 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>> >wrote:
>> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >> >  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> >> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> >> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> >> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
>> >> I notice that Ragland has not commented on the discrepancy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.
>>
>> You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
>> were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?
>>
>> Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
>> uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Looks like an Einsatzgruppen killing to me; maybe Nazi sympathizing
>partisans did it such as in Lithuania. Yes, the photo is grainy but
>not so grainy that there is a boatload of dead naked people and
>soldiers with guns.

That much I saw also, but you claim to have been able to identify the
weapons as "German". You didn't answer any of my questions, so I have
to conclude that you can't.

You are speculating wildly after having been called on the questions
of uniforms and weapons. Even the corpses look rather odd. The whole
"photograph" has the looks of a fabrication.

>
>Michael Ragland


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Subject: Re: Why would the Nazis limit Zyklon B to just Auschwitz?
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 10:50 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jul 30, 11:12 am, a-little-sanity,  please 
>> >>wrote:
>>
>> >>>In article ,
>> >>>B. H. Cramer  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>What death camps, Michael m'Dear?
>>
>> >>>The death camps which *you* wrote about,  you silly old thing:
>>
>> >>>In Message-ID:
>> >>> you wrote
>> >>>the following:
>>
>> >>>"Kurt Schlesinger walked the tightrope of a survivor. He was the
>> >>>type of person who left the impression that he possessed deplorable
>> >>>mentality.  After all, he was prepared to sacrifice the lives of over
>> >>>one hundred thousand fellow prisoners, sending them to certain death
>> >>>in the camps of Auschwitz/Birkenau and Sobibor in order to safe his
>> >>>own and that of some of the German alte Lagerinsassen".
>>
>> >>>If you deny the Holocaust,  can you explain why you believe
>> >>>that sending these people (over one hundred thousand of them)
>> >>>to Sobibor and Birkenau meant certain death for them?
>>
>> >>It is well known that at some point "Resettlement to the East" meant
>> >>extermination of European Jewry by Nazi Germany; all so-called plans
>> >>at deportation were not possible because of the war and most of
>> >>countries unwilling to accept European Jews. "Resettlement of the
>> >>Jews" became a euphemism" just like "special treatment". All you can
>> >>do is deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. You are completely useless in this
>> >>regard.
>>
>> > Why would Nazi officials bother with nebulous euphemisms for their
>> > intentions? They didn't do so for partisans and other irregulars, so
>> > why would they do this here? None of this documentation was ever
>> > intended to fall into allied hands. The Soviets meticulously told the
>> > truth in their archives, since if some enemy was reading the contents,
>> > then the regime must be history and secrecy would no longer be an
>> > issue.
>>
>> > I don't see anybody here denying anything. People just don't find your
>> > fables very convincing, and that is YOUR problem, not theirs.
>>
>> Why would they have communicated with *euphemisms* through their Enigma coding machine if
>> they thought the code was inviolable?
>>
>> The Brits intercepted all their secret communications with Enigma and decoded them.
>>
>> AND THEY HAD NOTHING ABOUT A SUPPOSED RUNNING *EXTERMINATION PLAN*.
>>
>> To resume, any secret document, any intercepted *ultra top secret* communication can
>> support that *plan*.
>>
>> THUS; That *extermination plan* must have been implemented by TELEPATHY,
>> that is the only explanation possible.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Nonsense. The British knew that European Jews were being exterminated
>just as President Franklin Roosevelt and certain people in the state
>department knew. 

Why did the principal participants, such as Churchill in his
six-volume memoirs, or DeGaulle, or Montgomery not mention the
holocaust™ with so much as a single sentence?



>The shitting Pope knew. It was not necessary to rely
>exclusively on enigma to obtain information and know that European
>Jews were being exterminated wholesale.
>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 8:58 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:53:28 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>> >news:gfk294lcq72p59b8ilam9cujhkdma76ufh@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:21:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Re Gypsys. They are no differend than we are. There aregood an bad once in
>> >>>every race.
>> >>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> >> They certainly are different.  They're all thieves.  Just like jews.
>>
>> >> Eli
>>
>> >>>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>> >>>news:b5h294lokgvmlikoa9rq5op3sindtlkt55@4ax.com...
>> >>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:57:15 GMT, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>On 30-Jul-2008, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> In article , "Truth
>> >>>>>> Will
>> >>>>>> Out"  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> > "Michael"  wrote in message
>> >>>>>> >news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>> 
>>
>> >>>>>> > >The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>>
>> >>>>>> > How did he manage that? They still exist.
>>
>> >>>>>> Do tell. My parents once had the termites in their front yard
>> >>>>>> exterminated. Needless to say, termites still exist.
>>
>> >>>>>> Most genocides in history have been partial. The Herero, Namaqua,
>> >>>>>> Tasmanians, Armenians, Jews, Roma, Sinti, Hutus, and Bosnian Muslims,
>> >>>>>> among others, have all been the objects of partially successful
>> >>>>>> genocides.
>>
>> >>>>>Proportionally speaking, they probably killed as many Roma as Jews.
>> >>>>>It's harder to get population figures on Roma, of course.
>>
>> >>>>>Susan
>>
>> >>>> "Roma"?  They're gypsy scum, you thick Irish cunt.
>>
>> >How does the song go again "Gypsies, tramps and jews" or something like that
>> >;-)
>>
>> Even in English, "gyped" or "jewed" is a synonym for defrauded. Where
>> there is smoke, there is probably some fire. There is a reason that
>> these terms came to be part of the English language.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Prejudice, stereotypes, and hatred of a particular culture(s) is not
>unique. It occurs in every society today; whether it be against
>Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, Gypsies etc. .The human brain is
>simple and it naturally seeks simplified distorted dumbed down answers
>to complex subjects. Even some of the so-called anti-revisionists on
>this NG resort to such behavior.
>
>Michael Ragland

Well Michael, the German word for Gypsy is Zigeuner, literally
"wandering swindler". Isn't it odd that British and German prejudices
match, even though the Saxons that reside in Britain left Germany
around AD600.


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Subject: Re: Clandestine photo of women being led to Auschwitz Gas Chamber.  Another fallacious label.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 9:05 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 30, 4:43 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> >> osugeography wrote:
>> >> > On Jul 29, 12:04 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Jul 29, 9:07 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>On Jul 29, 5:10 am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> >> >>>>htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> >> >>>The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> >> >>It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> >> >>"revelation."
>> >> >>In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> >> >>Sam Suckland
>> >> >>just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> >> >>Michael Ragland
>>
>> >> > Hello Michael.
>>
>> >> > Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>> >> >http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-wome...
>>
>> >> LOL. Pressac shows that photo also.
>> >> According with the visible trees and the chimney of Krema IV or V on bottom left, that
>> >> photo seems to have been taken near Zentral Sauna and Kanada.
>>
>> >> Any savage SS guard to force them to go to any part. The group appears as peaceful.
>> >> The direction they take is NOT toward ANY Krema but likely to Zentral Sauna.
>> >> They can go there to take a shower while their effect would be treated.
>>
>> >> ON that plan, the group can be located on the left of the label "Canada", between the
>> >> perimeter fence and the main road.
>>
>> >>http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/Auschwitz/map.jpghttp://www.global...Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >What is that over towering structure accopanying the "naked women".
>> >You people are so purposefully deluded and in denial but your
>> >instincts are fully aware of the Holocaust...that it occurred.
>>
>> Nonsense. The event that you try to float as the holocaust™ did not
>> occur. There is no doubt that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, and
>> very few dispute that, but the total death toll would be under 0.5
>> million with no gassings.
>>
>> There are just too many loose ends in your story that make no sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The "loose mental" ends are on your side. There is so much different
>types of documentary proof, much from Nazi Germany itself as well as
>elsewhere, that your assertion no more than 0.5 million died is
>absurd. So is your claim of no gassings. There were carbon monoxide
>gassings, Zyklon B gassings. And there was the mobile killing squads
>the Einsatzgruppen.

Your blizzard of allied paper proves very little, except that the
allies had the power to create the blizzard of paper and they did.
There isn't a single autopsy that gives Zyklon B as the cause of
death, and the allies autopsied thousands of corpses from the camps.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:17:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message 
>news:t7e394hih6g2rlvh8lq49ok88lanoqg94p@4ax.com...
>> Germany has replaced Christianity with a pernicious cult: "Holocaust
>> religion." In 1994, the parliament of the defunct "Bundesrepublik
>> Deutschland" (BRD) - the post re-unification Federal Republic of
>> Germany - treasonously mandated imposed Zionist legislation making it
>> a criminal offense to deny or even play down the so-called "Jewish
>> Holocaust."
>
>So, in short, you hate Germans.

That is a non sequitur.

>
>You believe that Germans do not have the mental abilities or the strength of 
>will to think for themselves.

They think extremely well for themselves, but their beliefs need to
remain in thought form. If they speak the thoughts, or write the
thoughts they will be imprisoned.

The old song from the 1820s still is true: "Die Gedanken sind frei",
but that is all that is free in Germany.

>
>Thanks for making that clear.
>
>
>>
>> Anyone in Germany who publicly denies the propagandistic narrative
>> upon which the terrorist state of Israel was established or questions
>> any one of the many anomalies extant in the doctrine of official
>> "history," faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail.
>
>This is also false.   If you believe it to be true, you will have to explain 
>why the functionalist vs.intentionalist debate ran for years, in Germany, 
>with none of the participants being censured in any way, let alone jailed.
>
>> Indeed, two German scholars, Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf
>
>
>You are lying.  Neither of these men are scholars.   Zundel is a 
>profiteering wannabe Nazi, who made millions from suckers like you, 
>pretending that the Holocaust didn't happen.
>
>Rudolph was canned from a plush job for misrepresenting his side activities 
>as being on behalf of the Planck institute.   Many of his papers are written 
>using pseudonyms so that he can cite *himself* and make it look like there 
>is support for his views.    It doesn't work.
>
>> were
>> illegally abducted from the United States
>
>That is just a flat-out lie.
>
>Both were, fully legally, ejected from the USA for breaking US immigration 
>laws, and their ejection has nothing to do with their beliefs or statements.
>
>It has everything to do with their demonstrated contempt for US law.
>
>There was nothing illegal, at all, about their ejection  from the USA. 
>Both men were in the USA illegally.
>
>Apparently, it is your position that the USA should not enforce its 
>immigration laws or protect its borders.
>
>
>> and imprisoned for
>
>Crimes as defined by the country they are citizens of,  which they committed 
>IN the country they are citizens of, and of which they were convicted.
>
>> presenting scientific evidence that a phenomenal hoax called the
>> "Jewish Holocaust" had taken place.
>
>Neither have presented any kind of worthwhile evidence.
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk
>
>
> 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 10:06 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>> > Considering how effective Zyklon B was at Auschwitz and how the
>> > freeing up of trucks and fuel for the war effort why didn't Nazi
>> > Germany use Zyklon B in other death camps? Why exlusively at
>> > Auschwitz?
>>
>> What a moron you are. WE have bills of lading which prove that the same quantities were
>> sent at Auschwitz and Oranienburg during a same period of time.
>>
>> 
>>
>> M. DUBOST: I thank you, A/fr. President. The Tribunal will certainly remember that this
>> morning Document Number 1553-PS was set aside, which includes in it bills for gas destined
>> for Oranienburg and Auschwitz. I believe that, after the explanation given by Sir David,
>> this Document 1553-PS may now be admitted by the Tribunal since it has already been certified.
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: Was it read, M. Dubost?
>>
>> M. DUBOST: Yes, Mr. President. I was in the process of reading it this morning. It is the
>> 27th document in the second document book of this morning, but the Tribunal rejected it,
>> with the demand that I furnish an affidavit. The intervention of Sir David constitutes
>> this affidavit. I beg the Tribunal to forgive my making this request, but I should be
>> grateful if it would accept the document which was refused this morning.
>> .../
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: M. Dubost, if you attach importance to it, would it not be possible for you
>> to give us the figures from these other bills of lading? I mean the amount of the gas.
>>
>> M. DUBOST: Certainly, Mr. President.
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: Just in order that it may be upon the shorthand note.
>>
>> 363
>>
>> 30 Jan. 46
>>
>> M. DUBOST: 14 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz); 16 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 18 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Oranienburg); 31 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> Auschwitz). This appears to me to be all.
>>
>> To Document 1553-PS is added the statement by Gerstein, and also the statement by the
>> chief of the American service who collected this document.
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/01-30-46.htm
>>
>> So, What do we have?
>>
>> -> To simplify I will only note the net weight of ZB pellets, the "murder agent".
>>
>> BOL Destination Auschwitz
>>
>> 14 February 1944: 555 kg
>> 13 March 1944: 598 kg
>> 30 April 1944: 555 kg
>> 31 May 1944: 555 kg
>>
>> Total BOL to Auschwitz:  2263 kg
>>
>> BOL Destination Oranienburg
>>
>> 16 February 1944: 555 kg
>> 13 March 1944:  598 kg
>> 30 April 1944:  555 kg
>> 18 May 1944:  555 kg
>>
>> Total BOL to Oranienburg:  2263 kg
>>
>> We observe that amazingly the orders for Zyclon B B are the same at both camps.
>
>
>
>From your link Zulu:
>
>M. DUBOST: I will request my colleagues of the American Prosecution to
>furnish this affidavit. I did not think it possible that this
>document, which was classified in their archives, could be ruled out.
>
>This purpose of extermination, moreover, does not need to be proved by
>this document. It is sufficiently established by the testimony which
>we have submitted to the Tribunal. The witness, Boix, spoke these
>words: "No one is allowed to leave this camp alive.... There is only
>one exit, -and that is the chimney of the crematorium."

More paper and mindless babble that apparently trumps physical science
in the very shallow mind of Michael R.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>
>"Vergasungsapparate" - "Gassing Devices"

Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
Your is a tendentious translation. "Ein Vergaser" is a carburetor and
its job is to change liquid gasoline into gasoline vapour for an
engine. There is nothing sinister about the term.

This sort of thing is typical of allied "translations". Allied
translations are just another form of propaganda.









>Viktor Brack was a civil servant in the "euthanasia" program who had
>served in 1930 and 1931 as Heinrich Himmler's driver. In 1934 he was
>appointed the head of Central Office II of the Chancellery of the
>Führer, where he oversaw the murder by gas of thousands of mentally
>and physically handicapped victims. The jurisdiction of the Central
>Office II was "State and Party Affairs," under which Brack created a
>bureaucracy for the "euthanasia" to be imposed on Germany's
>undesirable citizens. Together with his deputy, he oversaw many of the
>details of the T4 program. [1]
>
>The extermination effort would soon spread to the concentration
>camps:
>
>In April 1941, by order of Himmler and under the code name "14 f 13,"
>132 the "euthanasia" of prisoners - the "special treatment of sick or
>infirm prisoners" - began. 133 [2]
>
>In 1942, Brack would head to the front as a major in the Waffen SS,
>leaving T4 behind.
>
>But while in mid-1941 the "science" of murder by gas had been well-
>nigh perfected by the operatives in the euthanasia program, these
>lessons had not been learned by the different bureaucracies
>responsible for overseeing the extermination of the Jews. "On July 17,
>1941, seven hundred Jewish hostages from Vilna were shot at the train
>station in Ponary (Punar)." [3] Such displays were obviously
>undesirable.
>
>The document below describes Brack as a man who can help put a stop to
>bloody, very public executions such as that in Vilna.
>
>Hinrich Lohse was the Reich Commissar for the East - for the combined
>Baltic States and Russia. In 1941 he moved into his offices in Kovno,
>and then Riga. "With his ludicrous walrus-like appearance the former
>Gauleiter of Schleswig-Holstein looked like a small-town party boss
>and acted the part." [4]
>
>In Kovno, on July 29, two weeks after the massacre in the train
>station, Lohse took a firm stand against the Jews, telling his men
>"that the [Jewish] ghettoes would receive only as much food as the
>rest of the population could do without...." [5]
>
>More drastic steps were to follow. On October 4, 1941, Lohse sent a
>letter from Riga to court judge and Adviser on Jewish Affairs Dr.
>Erhard Wetzel, "re: the solution of the Jewish question."
>
>Three weeks later, on October 25, Wetzel replied to Lohse - and now we
>have come to the document which is reproduced below. In this reply,
>Wetzel noted that Brack had agreed to set up the "gassing devices" -
>probably gas vans which killed using poisonous engine exhaust - and
>that this would help put a stop to the unfortunate public displays.
>[6]
>
>This letter, marked Secret, is thus one of the important links in the
>chain leading directly from the murder by gas of mentally and
>physically handicapped German citizens to the murder by gas of Jews
>behind the Eastern Front. It is especially valuable because, unlike
>most communications regarding the Final Solution, it refers to gassing
>using that word, rather than a euphemism.
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Translation:
>
>Draft
>
>The Reich Ministry
>for the Occupied Eastern Territories
>  Berlin, October 25, 1941
>
>
>Expert AGR Dr. Wetzel
>
>Secret!
>
>Re: Solution of the Jewish Question
>
>1. To the Reich Commissar for the East
>
>Re: Your report of October 4, 1941 in respect to the Solution of the
>Jewish Question
>
>With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you
>that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to
>collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing
>devices. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in
>sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in
>Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will
>cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack
>considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his
>chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there.
>Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is
>not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary.
>In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to
>Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher
>SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer
>and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer
>Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely
>in agreement with this process. According to information from
>Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up in Riga and
>Minsk, to which Jews from the Old Reich territory may also come. At
>this time, Jews are being evacuated out of the Old Reich to
>Litzmannstadt (Lodz), and also other camps, to then later be used for
>labour in the east insofar as they are capable of work.
>
>As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not
>capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way,
>events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took
>place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and
>which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can
>hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand,
>those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It
>goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will
>be kept apart.
>
>I request a report on your further measures.
>
>Transcription:
>
>Entwurf
>
>Der Reichsminister
>für die besetzten Ostgebiete
>  Berlin, den 25. Oktober 1941.
>
>
>Sachbearbeiter AGR Dr. Wetzel
>
>Geheim!
>
>Betr.: Lösung der Judenfrage.
>
>1. An den Reichskommissar für den Ostland
>
>Betr.: Ihren Bericht vom 4.10.1941 bezüglich Lösung der Judenfrage
>
>Unter Bezugnahme auf mein Schreiben vom 18.Okt. 1941 teile ich Ihnen
>mit, daß sich Oberdienstleiter Brack von der Kanzlei des Führers
>bereit erklärt hat, bei der Herstellung der erforderlichen Unterkünfte
>sowie der Vergasungsapparate mitzuwirken. Zur Zeit sind die in
>Betracht kommenden Apparate in genügender Anzahl nicht vorhanden, sie
>müssen erst hergestellt werden. Da nach Aufassung Bracks die
>Herstellung der Apparate im Reich viel größere Schwierigkeiten
>bereitet als am Ort und Stelle, hält es Brack für am zweckmäßigsten,
>wenn er umgehend seine Leute, insbesondere sein Chemiker Dr. Kallmayer
>nach Riga sendet, der dort alles weitere veranlassen wird.
>Oberdienstleiter Brack weist darauf hin, daß das in Betracht kommende
>Verfahren nicht ungefährlich ist, so daß insbesondere Schutzmaßnahmen
>erforderlich seien. Unter diesen Umständen bitte ich Sie, sich über
>Ihren Höheren SS- und Polizeiführer an Oberdienstleiter Brack in der
>Kanzlei des Führers zu wenden und um die Entsendung des Chemikers
>Kallmeyer sowie weitere Hilfskräfte zu bitten. Ich darf darauf
>hinweisen, daß Sturmbannführer Eichmann, der Sachbearbeiter für
>Judenfragen im RSHA durchaus mit diesem Verfahren einverstanden ist.
>Nach Mitteilung von Sturmbannführer Eichmann sollen in Riga und in
>Minsk Lager für Juden geschaffen werden, in die evtl. auch Juden aus
>dem Altreichgebeit kommen. Es werden zur Zeit aus dem Altreich Juden
>evakuiert, die nach Litzmannstadt, aber auch nach anderen Lagern
>kommen sollen, um dann später im Osten, soweit arbeitsfähig, in
>Arbeiteinsatz zu kommen.
>
>Nach Sachlage bestehen keine Bedanken, wenn diejenigen Juden, die
>nicht arbeitsfähig sind, mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt
>werden. Auf diese Weise dürften dann auch die Vorgänge, wie sie sich
>bei den Erschießungen der Juden in Wilna nach einem mir vorliegenden
>Bericht ergeben haben, und die auch im Hinblick darauf, daß die
>Erschießungen öffentlich vorgenommen wurden, kaum gebilligt werden
>können, nicht mehr möglich sein. Die Arbeitsfähigen dagegen werden zum
>Arbeitseinsatz nach Osten abtransportiert. Daß bei den arbeitsfähigen
>Juden Männer und Frauen getrennt zu halten sind, dürfte
>selbstverständlich sein.
>
>Über Ihre weiteren maßnahmen erbitte ich Bericht.
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>Source: provided to Prof. John Zimmerman by the U.S. National
>Archives, Washington, D.C.
>
>The translation above is by Holocaust History Project volunteer Gord
>McFee. The U.S. Chief of Counsel translation is included; the
>interested reader is invited to compare them.
>
>This document is cited in the essay How Reliable are the Hoess
>Memoirs?
>
>The Holocaust-denier "Samuel Crowell" has published his
>misinterpretation of this document; we have analyzed his errors.
>
>
>
>Notes
>1. Friedlander, Henry, The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia
>to Final Solution, 1995, pp. 40ff, 68ff. See also pp. 86ff, 198ff.
>
>2. Kogon, Eugen, Germann Langbein, and Adalbert Rückerl, Nazi Mass
>Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, 1993, p. 40.
>See also p. 24. Footnotes:
>
>132. Generalstaatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt a/Main AZ: Ks 1/69, judgment
>of 27 May 1970 (Zentralstelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen (ZSL),
>Ludwigsburg, collection 435, p. 50).
>
>133. Staatsanwaltschaft Wiedbaden AZ: 3 Js 46/61, indictment, p. 63
>(ZSL: archive number: 419 AR 381/60).
>
>3. Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 3rd ed., 1971, p. 228, as
>cited by Gerald Fleming, Hitler and the Final Solution, 1984, p. 71n.
>Ponary is just a few miles southwest of Vilna.
>
>4. Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 1st ed., 1953, p. 202.
>
>5. Ibid.
>
>6. Fleming, op. cit., p. 70.
>
>
>    Last modified: February 20, 1999
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:23:44 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> We saw what formerly healthy relatives looked like after they came
>> home from the American camps.
>
>So eyewitness testimony counts as evidence?  Yes or no?

It isn't quite the same when you nurse somebody back to health over a
period of many months or even years. It is quite different than some
so-called holocaust witness who sees a young man of 20 from a range of
500 metres for a period of three seconds and then 60 years later
claims in a court that the guy of 80 is the same twenty-year-old who
served as a camp guard.

There were many times when I met former students at a shopping mall
only ten years after a whole year of daily interactions and failed to
recognize them because their appearance had changed so significantly.
Many others of my acquaintance had similar experiences, but holocaust
witnesses are unique in being able to finger people they met only
briefly six decades earlier.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:45:18 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Patrick Keenan is a standard holocaust issue. Is it not amazing how they are 
>trying and selling and forcing others to accept as their part of histories. 
>Why is it the why the victimize anyone who dares to question their 
>holocaust. There is no other version I histories where there force others to 
>only believe in their version.
>Kurt Knoll.

That is what I find a bit of a mystery. I don't give a flying shit
about Keenan's beliefs, and yet he seems to be obsessed with the fact
that he is unable to convince me of the validity of his fables. Why
should he care about my beliefs or lack of them?

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:je7494d49hn421jafq7nho4ma76k9bvbkf@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:00:04 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>news:nbi3945kk5j1hnv9gesai0vst2phtklmh4@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:l83u84psddiv2pum0nchf7d8qmvognl7r9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:24:03 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:oocjk.140790$gc5.107787@pd7urf2no...
>>>>>>>> So you say where is your proof. No fabrications please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please try to learn to read, Kurt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lying is your domain and not ours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Excuse me, but aren't you the one who just claimed that I think all
>>>>>>>Germans
>>>>>>>are war criminals, and aren't you the one promoting the Bacque
>>>>>>>fabrications?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bacque is a Canadian, and he has zero reason to fabricate anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>He may be and you may think that, but the fact remains that his data are
>>>>>wrong and his conclusions based on false data.
>>>>>
>>>>>His errors have been well-documented and have been brought to his
>>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>> His figures ring true to me,
>>>
>>>Then you should actually check them.
>>
>> We saw what formerly healthy relatives looked like after they came
>> home from the American camps. I just won't buy into any airheaded
>> lectures from you. You don't know what you're babbling about.
>>
>>>
>>>-pk 
>


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Wicked knollish Filth lies about almost everything
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:27:36 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> You're an airhead with nothing to say and no points to make.
>> My education would easily exceed anything you have to offer.
>
>Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  oh educated one?

The name looks Dutch. Should I know who this is? 


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Subject: Re: Nazi's shoot Jews
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:28 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 7:59 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >> >> >  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >> >> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >> >> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >> >> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> >> >> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> >> >> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> >> >> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
>> >> >> I notice that Ragland has not commented on the discrepancy.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.
>>
>> >> You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
>> >> were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?
>>
>> >> Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
>> >> uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?
>>
>> >> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Looks like an Einsatzgruppen killing to me; maybe Nazi sympathizing
>> >partisans did it such as in Lithuania. Yes, the photo is grainy but
>> >not so grainy that there is a boatload of dead naked people and
>> >soldiers with guns.
>>
>> That much I saw also, but you claim to have been able to identify the
>> weapons as "German". You didn't answer any of my questions, so I have
>> to conclude that you can't.
>>
>> You are speculating wildly after having been called on the questions
>> of uniforms and weapons. Even the corpses look rather odd. The whole
>> "photograph" has the looks of a fabrication.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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>Hardly. Again, a photogragh, even the best, is an interpretation of
>reality and not reality itself. I know. I took photograghy and that is
>one of the first things you learn. Doesn't mean necessarily its a
>fabrication. The photo is not a microscope here. No telling make or
>serial number. The uniforms look just like military uniforms. However,
>considering the "setting" it looks like an Einsatzgruppen photo.

What you're saying is that ANY group with weapons next to a pile of
corpses must be Einsatzgruppen. You are clearly obsessed with this
topic. The physical evidence is irrelevant and your preconceived
notions trump everything. I've had this conversation already with a
bunch of brain-dead creationists. Reality and physical evidence mean
little to them either. For them, the scriptures trump reality and for
you your dogma trumps reality.

>
>Michael Ragland


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Why would the Nazis limit Zyklon B to just Auschwitz?
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:38:53 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Why did the principal participants, such as Churchill in his
>> six-volume memoirs, or DeGaulle, or Montgomery not mention the
>> holocaust™ with so much as a single sentence?
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/churchill_holocaust_03.shtml
>
>Reading in July 1944 the first detailed account of Auschwitz,
>Churchill wrote:
>
>    'There is no doubt this is the most horrible crime ever committed
>in the whole history of the world, and it has been done by scientific
>machinery by nominally civilised men in the name of a great State and
>one of the leading races of Europe. It is quite clear that all
>concerned in this crime who may fall into our hands, including the
>people who only obeyed orders by carrying out the butcheries, should
>be put to death after their association with the murders has been
>proved.'
>
>   

The first mention of Auschwitz was postwar. Where did Churchill
allegedly write this? This paragraph did not appear in his memoirs.


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Clandestine photo of women being led to Auschwitz Gas Chamber.  Another fallacious label.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 1:40 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 9:05 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 30, 4:43 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> >> >> osugeography wrote:
>> >> >> > On Jul 29, 12:04 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>On Jul 29, 9:07 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>On Jul 29, 5:10 am, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendTypeId=4
>>
>> >> >> >>>>htttp://www.cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=69530&rendType=4
>>
>> >> >> >>>The website is busted, you idiot.
>>
>> >> >> >>It doesn't matter anyway; remember your comment about not being a
>> >> >> >>"revelation."
>> >> >> >>In other words for your benefit don't worry about it. I hope you and
>> >> >> >>Sam Suckland
>> >> >> >>just naturally fizzle away gradually over time,
>>
>> >> >> >>Michael Ragland
>>
>> >> >> > Hello Michael.
>>
>> >> >> > Try this link, which is working at the time I post this:
>> >> >> >http://original.britannica.com/eb/art-58227/Clandestine-photo-of-wome...
>>
>> >> >> LOL. Pressac shows that photo also.
>> >> >> According with the visible trees and the chimney of Krema IV or V on bottom left, that
>> >> >> photo seems to have been taken near Zentral Sauna and Kanada.
>>
>> >> >> Any savage SS guard to force them to go to any part. The group appears as peaceful.
>> >> >> The direction they take is NOT toward ANY Krema but likely to Zentral Sauna.
>> >> >> They can go there to take a shower while their effect would be treated.
>>
>> >> >> ON that plan, the group can be located on the left of the label "Canada", between the
>> >> >> perimeter fence and the main road.
>>
>> >> >>http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/Auschwitz/map.jpghttp://www.global...quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >What is that over towering structure accopanying the "naked women".
>> >> >You people are so purposefully deluded and in denial but your
>> >> >instincts are fully aware of the Holocaust...that it occurred.
>>
>> >> Nonsense. The event that you try to float as the holocaust™ did not
>> >> occur. There is no doubt that Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, and
>> >> very few dispute that, but the total death toll would be under 0.5
>> >> million with no gassings.
>>
>> >> There are just too many loose ends in your story that make no sense.
>>
>> >> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >The "loose mental" ends are on your side. There is so much different
>> >types of documentary proof, much from Nazi Germany itself as well as
>> >elsewhere, that your assertion no more than 0.5 million died is
>> >absurd. So is your claim of no gassings. There were carbon monoxide
>> >gassings, Zyklon B gassings. And there was the mobile killing squads
>> >the Einsatzgruppen.
>>
>> Your blizzard of allied paper proves very little, except that the
>> allies had the power to create the blizzard of paper and they did.
>> There isn't a single autopsy that gives Zyklon B as the cause of
>> death, and the allies autopsied thousands of corpses from the camps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
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>
>There weren't autopsied moron; the German know what they died from and
>they were to be incinerated as quickly as possible to prepare for the
>next batch coming in.

The Americans autopsied thousands of corpses that were apparently not
burned. Not a single case of poisoning was found.

>
>Michael Ragland


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Subject: Re: Why would the Nazis limit Zyklon B to just Auschwitz? Oranienburg  received the same quantities.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:51:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:46 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 10:06 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> >> Michael wrote:
>>
>> >> > Considering how effective Zyklon B was at Auschwitz and how the
>> >> > freeing up of trucks and fuel for the war effort why didn't Nazi
>> >> > Germany use Zyklon B in other death camps? Why exlusively at
>> >> > Auschwitz?
>>
>> >> What a moron you are. WE have bills of lading which prove that the same quantities were
>> >> sent at Auschwitz and Oranienburg during a same period of time.
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: I thank you, A/fr. President. The Tribunal will certainly remember that this
>> >> morning Document Number 1553-PS was set aside, which includes in it bills for gas destined
>> >> for Oranienburg and Auschwitz. I believe that, after the explanation given by Sir David,
>> >> this Document 1553-PS may now be admitted by the Tribunal since it has already been certified.
>>
>> >> THE PRESIDENT: Was it read, M. Dubost?
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: Yes, Mr. President. I was in the process of reading it this morning. It is the
>> >> 27th document in the second document book of this morning, but the Tribunal rejected it,
>> >> with the demand that I furnish an affidavit. The intervention of Sir David constitutes
>> >> this affidavit. I beg the Tribunal to forgive my making this request, but I should be
>> >> grateful if it would accept the document which was refused this morning.
>> >> .../
>>
>> >> THE PRESIDENT: M. Dubost, if you attach importance to it, would it not be possible for you
>> >> to give us the figures from these other bills of lading? I mean the amount of the gas.
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: Certainly, Mr. President.
>>
>> >> THE PRESIDENT: Just in order that it may be upon the shorthand note.
>>
>> >> 363
>>
>> >> 30 Jan. 46
>>
>> >> M. DUBOST: 14 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz); 16 February 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz); 13 March 1944, gross weight 896 kilos, net weight 598 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz); 30 April 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 18 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Oranienburg); 31 May 1944, gross weight 832 kilos, net weight 555 kilos (destination
>> >> Auschwitz). This appears to me to be all.
>>
>> >> To Document 1553-PS is added the statement by Gerstein, and also the statement by the
>> >> chief of the American service who collected this document.
>>
>> >> 
>>
>> >>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/01-30-46.htm
>>
>> >> So, What do we have?
>>
>> >> -> To simplify I will only note the net weight of ZB pellets, the "murder agent".
>>
>> >> BOL Destination Auschwitz
>>
>> >> 14 February 1944: 555 kg
>> >> 13 March 1944: 598 kg
>> >> 30 April 1944: 555 kg
>> >> 31 May 1944: 555 kg
>>
>> >> Total BOL to Auschwitz:  2263 kg
>>
>> >> BOL Destination Oranienburg
>>
>> >> 16 February 1944: 555 kg
>> >> 13 March 1944:  598 kg
>> >> 30 April 1944:  555 kg
>> >> 18 May 1944:  555 kg
>>
>> >> Total BOL to Oranienburg:  2263 kg
>>
>> >> We observe that amazingly the orders for Zyclon B B are the same at both camps.
>>
>> >From your link Zulu:
>>
>> >M. DUBOST: I will request my colleagues of the American Prosecution to
>> >furnish this affidavit. I did not think it possible that this
>> >document, which was classified in their archives, could be ruled out.
>>
>> >This purpose of extermination, moreover, does not need to be proved by
>> >this document. It is sufficiently established by the testimony which
>> >we have submitted to the Tribunal. The witness, Boix, spoke these
>> >words: "No one is allowed to leave this camp alive.... There is only
>> >one exit, -and that is the chimney of the crematorium."
>>
>> More paper and mindless babble that apparently trumps physical science
>> in the very shallow mind of Michael R.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Just quoting Dubost. Does he have a shallow mind?

I don't know the person but his statements are nonsense.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT), Michael
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>On Jul 31, 1:52 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Vergasungsapparate" - "Gassing Devices"
>>
>> Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
>> device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
>> Your is a tendentious translation. "Ein Vergaser" is a carburetor and
>> its job is to change liquid gasoline into gasoline vapour for an
>> engine. There is nothing sinister about the term.
>>
>> This sort of thing is typical of allied "translations". Allied
>> translations are just another form of propaganda.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Viktor Brack was a civil servant in the "euthanasia" program who had
>> >served in 1930 and 1931 as Heinrich Himmler's driver. In 1934 he was
>> >appointed the head of Central Office II of the Chancellery of the
>> >Führer, where he oversaw the murder by gas of thousands of mentally
>> >and physically handicapped victims. The jurisdiction of the Central
>> >Office II was "State and Party Affairs," under which Brack created a
>> >bureaucracy for the "euthanasia" to be imposed on Germany's
>> >undesirable citizens. Together with his deputy, he oversaw many of the
>> >details of the T4 program. [1]
>>
>> >The extermination effort would soon spread to the concentration
>> >camps:
>>
>> >In April 1941, by order of Himmler and under the code name "14 f 13,"
>> >132 the "euthanasia" of prisoners - the "special treatment of sick or
>> >infirm prisoners" - began. 133 [2]
>>
>> >In 1942, Brack would head to the front as a major in the Waffen SS,
>> >leaving T4 behind.
>>
>> >But while in mid-1941 the "science" of murder by gas had been well-
>> >nigh perfected by the operatives in the euthanasia program, these
>> >lessons had not been learned by the different bureaucracies
>> >responsible for overseeing the extermination of the Jews. "On July 17,
>> >1941, seven hundred Jewish hostages from Vilna were shot at the train
>> >station in Ponary (Punar)." [3] Such displays were obviously
>> >undesirable.
>>
>> >The document below describes Brack as a man who can help put a stop to
>> >bloody, very public executions such as that in Vilna.
>>
>> >Hinrich Lohse was the Reich Commissar for the East - for the combined
>> >Baltic States and Russia. In 1941 he moved into his offices in Kovno,
>> >and then Riga. "With his ludicrous walrus-like appearance the former
>> >Gauleiter of Schleswig-Holstein looked like a small-town party boss
>> >and acted the part." [4]
>>
>> >In Kovno, on July 29, two weeks after the massacre in the train
>> >station, Lohse took a firm stand against the Jews, telling his men
>> >"that the [Jewish] ghettoes would receive only as much food as the
>> >rest of the population could do without...." [5]
>>
>> >More drastic steps were to follow. On October 4, 1941, Lohse sent a
>> >letter from Riga to court judge and Adviser on Jewish Affairs Dr.
>> >Erhard Wetzel, "re: the solution of the Jewish question."
>>
>> >Three weeks later, on October 25, Wetzel replied to Lohse - and now we
>> >have come to the document which is reproduced below. In this reply,
>> >Wetzel noted that Brack had agreed to set up the "gassing devices" -
>> >probably gas vans which killed using poisonous engine exhaust - and
>> >that this would help put a stop to the unfortunate public displays.
>> >[6]
>>
>> >This letter, marked Secret, is thus one of the important links in the
>> >chain leading directly from the murder by gas of mentally and
>> >physically handicapped German citizens to the murder by gas of Jews
>> >behind the Eastern Front. It is especially valuable because, unlike
>> >most communications regarding the Final Solution, it refers to gassing
>> >using that word, rather than a euphemism.
>>
>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------­------
>>
>> >Translation:
>>
>> >Draft
>>
>> >The Reich Ministry
>> >for the Occupied Eastern Territories
>> >  Berlin, October 25, 1941
>>
>> >Expert AGR Dr. Wetzel
>>
>> >Secret!
>>
>> >Re: Solution of the Jewish Question
>>
>> >1. To the Reich Commissar for the East
>>
>> >Re: Your report of October 4, 1941 in respect to the Solution of the
>> >Jewish Question
>>
>> >With reference to my letter of October 18, 1941, this is to inform you
>> >that Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to
>> >collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing
>> >devices. At this time, the envisaged devices are not available in
>> >sufficient quantity; they will first have to be manufactured. Since in
>> >Brack's opinion, the manufacture of the devices in the Reich will
>> >cause much greater difficulties than doing it on the spot, Brack
>> >considers it most expedient to send his people to Riga, especially his
>> >chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will effect all further steps there.
>> >Oberdienstleiter Brack points out that the procedure in question is
>> >not without danger, so that special protective measures are necessary.
>> >In these circumstances, I request that you address yourself to
>> >Oberdienstleiter Brack in the Führer Chancellery through your Higher
>> >SS and Police Leader and request the dispatch of the chemist Kallmeyer
>> >and other assistants. I should inform you that Sturmbannführer
>> >Eichmann, the expert for the Jewish Question in the RSHA is entirely
>> >in agreement with this process. According to information from
>> >Sturmbannführer Eichmann, camps for Jews are to be set up in Riga and
>> >Minsk, to which Jews from the Old Reich territory may also come. At
>> >this time, Jews are being evacuated out of the Old Reich to
>> >Litzmannstadt (Lodz), and also other camps, to then later be used for
>> >labour in the east insofar as they are capable of work.
>>
>> >As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not
>> >capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy. In this way,
>> >events such as those that, according to a report in front of me, took
>> >place on the occasion of the shootings of the Jews in Vilna, and
>> >which, considering that the shootings were carried out in public, can
>> >hardly be excused, will no longer be possible. On the other hand,
>> >those capable of work will be transported for labour in the east. It
>> >goes without saying that the male and female Jews capable of work will
>> >be kept apart.
>>
>> >I request a report on your further measures.
>>
>> >Transcription:
>>
>> >Entwurf
>>
>> >Der Reichsminister
>> >für die besetzten Ostgebiete
>> >  Berlin, den 25. Oktober 1941.
>>
>> >Sachbearbeiter AGR Dr. Wetzel
>>
>> >Geheim!
>>
>> >Betr.: Lösung der Judenfrage.
>>
>> >1. An den Reichskommissar für den Ostland
>>
>> >Betr.: Ihren Bericht vom 4.10.1941 bezüglich Lösung der Judenfrage
>>
>> >Unter Bezugnahme auf mein Schreiben vom 18.Okt. 1941 teile ich Ihnen
>> >mit, daß sich Oberdienstleiter Brack von der Kanzlei des Führers
>> >bereit erklärt hat, bei der Herstellung der erforderlichen Unterkünfte
>> >sowie der Vergasungsapparate mitzuwirken. Zur Zeit sind die in
>> >Betracht kommenden Apparate in genügender Anzahl nicht vorhanden, sie
>> >müssen erst hergestellt werden. Da nach Aufassung Bracks die
>> >Herstellung der Apparate im Reich viel größere Schwierigkeiten
>> >bereitet als am Ort und Stelle, hält es Brack für am zweckmäßigsten,
>> >wenn er umgehend seine Leute, insbesondere sein Chemiker Dr. Kallmayer
>> >nach Riga sendet, der dort alles weitere veranlassen wird.
>> >Oberdienstleiter Brack weist darauf hin, daß das in Betracht kommende
>> >Verfahren nicht ungefährlich ist, so daß insbesondere Schutzmaßnahmen
>> >erforderlich seien. Unter diesen Umständen bitte ich Sie, sich über
>> >Ihren Höheren SS- und Polizeiführer an Oberdienstleiter Brack in der
>> >Kanzlei des Führers zu wenden und um die Entsendung des Chemikers
>> >Kallmeyer sowie weitere Hilfskräfte zu bitten. Ich darf darauf
>> >hinweisen, daß Sturmbannführer Eichmann, der Sachbearbeiter für
>> >Judenfragen im RSHA durchaus mit diesem Verfahren einverstanden ist.
>> >Nach Mitteilung von Sturmbannführer Eichmann sollen in Riga und in
>> >Minsk Lager für Juden geschaffen werden, in die evtl. auch Juden aus
>> >dem Altreichgebeit kommen. Es werden zur Zeit aus dem Altreich Juden
>> >evakuiert, die nach Litzmannstadt, aber auch nach anderen Lagern
>> >kommen sollen, um dann später im Osten, soweit arbeitsfähig, in
>> >Arbeiteinsatz zu kommen.
>>
>> >Nach Sachlage bestehen keine Bedanken, wenn diejenigen Juden, die
>> >nicht arbeitsfähig sind, mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt
>> >werden. Auf diese Weise dürften dann auch die Vorgänge, wie sie sich
>> >bei den Erschießungen der Juden in Wilna nach einem mir vorliegenden
>> >Bericht ergeben haben, und die auch im Hinblick darauf, daß die
>> >Erschießungen öffentlich vorgenommen wurden, kaum gebilligt werden
>> >können, nicht mehr möglich sein. Die Arbeitsfähigen dagegen werden zum
>> >Arbeitseinsatz nach Osten abtransportiert. Daß bei den arbeitsfähigen
>> >Juden Männer und Frauen getrennt zu halten sind, dürfte
>> >selbstverständlich sein.
>>
>> >Über Ihre weiteren maßnahmen erbitte ich Bericht.
>>
>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------­------
>>
>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------­------
>>
>> >Source: provided to Prof. John Zimmerman by the U.S. National
>> >Archives, Washington, D.C.
>>
>> >The translation above is by Holocaust History Project volunteer Gord
>> >McFee. The U.S. Chief of Counsel translation is included; the
>> >interested reader is invited to compare them.
>>
>> >This document is cited in the essay How Reliable are the Hoess
>> >Memoirs?
>>
>> >The Holocaust-denier "Samuel Crowell" has published his
>> >misinterpretation of this document; we have analyzed his errors.
>>
>> >Notes
>> >1. Friedlander, Henry, The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia
>> >to Final Solution, 1995, pp. 40ff, 68ff. See also pp. 86ff, 198ff.
>>
>> >2. Kogon, Eugen, Germann Langbein, and Adalbert Rückerl, Nazi Mass
>> >Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, 1993, p. 40.
>> >See also p. 24. Footnotes:
>>
>> >132. Generalstaatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt a/Main AZ: Ks 1/69, judgment
>> >of 27 May 1970 (Zentralstelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen (ZSL),
>> >Ludwigsburg, collection 435, p. 50).
>>
>> >133. Staatsanwaltschaft Wiedbaden AZ: 3 Js 46/61, indictment, p. 63
>> >(ZSL: archive number: 419 AR 381/60).
>>
>> >3.
>>
>> ...
>>
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>
>Where do you come from Ebersdorf? Germany, U.S., etc. Obviously you're
>a part of so-called "Western Civilization".

The USA is not a part of the European civilization and it never has
been. It is a barbarous colonial outpost of that civilization, and
nothing more. "The West" is an American rhetorical construct to
insinuate itself into a civilization where it doesn't belong. The USA
is probably the most evil political entity in the history of humanity
and it has brought nothing but misery to the world since 1776.

On a few occasions, I have had the misfortune of having to visit the
disgusting degeneracy known as the USA because of commitments and
promises I have made to people, but I always feel dirty and defiled
when I set foot on the mother of whores and of every evil on earth.


>
>Michael Ragland


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:09:08 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
>> device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
>
>But the document speaks of "eliminating Jews unfit for work".  What
>does that have to do with "vaporization device"?

Does the document even exist, or are we looking at another one of
those copies-of-a-copy-of-a-copy in which allied propaganda
specializes?


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>RJ11  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
>> > RJ11  wrote:
>> 
>> >>    A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an
>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>> >> 
>> >>    A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an
>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>> >> 
>> >>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>> 
>> > Trot out all of the Bolshevik propaganda you like -
>> 
>>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you write?
>
>Yep.
> 
>> > the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder. 
>> 
>>    Why?
>
>Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>pellets? Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas for
>that purpose.
>
There were also all the nerve gases such as "Tabun" that would have
been vastly more efficient, if killing people was the intent.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:03:26 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC)
>RJ11  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> > RJ11  wrote:
>> 
>> >>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you
>> >> write?
>> 
>> > Yep.
>> 
>>    Then your condition is even worse than I suspected.
>
>
>Who liberated these so-called death camps?
>
>
>> >>> the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder. 
>>  
>> >>    Why?
>> 
>> > Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>> > conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>> > pellets?
>> 
>>    The "flea pellets" release HCN gas.  Do you know what HCN is?
>
>Indeed I do.
> 
>> > Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas for
>> > that purpose.
>> 
>>    They used gas.  It's called HCN.
>> 
>
>A more effective way of using HCN would have been to drop a cyanide egg
>into an acid bath to disperse the gas quickly and efficiently - not
>drop flea pellets from a hole in the roof, wouldn't you agree?

That is what the Yankees used in their gas chambers.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:23:44 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> So eyewitness testimony counts as evidence?  Yes or no?
>
>> It isn't quite the same when you nurse somebody back to health over a
>> period of many months or even years. It is quite different than some
>> so-called holocaust witness who sees a young man of 20 from a range of
>> 500 metres for a period of three seconds and then 60 years later
>> claims in a court that the guy of 80 is the same twenty-year-old who
>> served as a camp guard.
>
>Are you referring to Demjanjuk?  Did any witness state
>that he saw him "from a range of 500 metres for a period of
>three seconds"?  What about the German Otto Horn,  who
>served in Treblinka,  and who also identified Demjanjuk?

The Demjanuk case was a fraud from A to Z. The senile witnesses were
being coached from the audience. It seems that Ivan the Terrible was
bald, and the rap sheet shown to the senile witnesses showed only ONE
bald man, Demjanuk. Naturally, the senile witnesses picked Jemjanuk as
Ivan the Terrible.

>
>And what about the acts that these people witnessed,
>regardless of who committed them? 
>
>Is the Demjanjuk case a typical one?  No.  His trial took
>place far after the large majority of the trials,  and most
>of the accused in the other trials never denied what they
>did.  You seem to suffer from a chronic inability to understand
>the general picture.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:56:17 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:27:36 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  oh educated one?
>
>> The name looks Dutch. Should I know who this is? 
>
>Yes,  you should know who he is.
>
>His name came up during a discussion on the deportations
>to Auschwitz.  You had no idea who he was,  and you still
>have no idea.  Ergo,  you're an ignorant asshole who does
>not possess even the most basic knowledge on the topic at
>hand.
>
>At least David Irving was honest enough to admit that he
>barely knows anything about the Holocaust.  You seem to
>know even less than he does.

Well Jacobson, in those topics where I am 100% certain of what took
place, it seems that you and your pack are telling lies, so there is
no reason for me to believe that what you say in areas where I am less
familiar is any different.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>On Jul 31, 2:36 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 31, 1:28 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 31, 7:59 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jul 30, 3:13 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in messagenews:77k094524d1ia5l87cib0gaf25c9oefals@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:37:57 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
>> >> >> >> >  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>"Michael"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>news:13dcee0e-c420-4abe-8d0f-66bff1ecac7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> >>>http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06qyfiTd177S8/610x.jpg
>>
>> >> >> >> >>You idiot Michael m'Dear.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>Russian uniforms, and Russian weapons.
>>
>> >> >> >> >>What a wanker you are.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Whoever these people were, they were definitely wearing Soviet
>> >> >> >> > uniforms. This is another photographic misrepresentation so typical of
>> >> >> >> > the holocaustT cult.
>>
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>>
>> >> >> >They're German weapons and uniforms. the Germans had many uniforms.
>>
>> >> >> You can tell all that from this extremely grainy photograph? What make
>> >> >> were the weapons, and how can you tell from the photograph?
>>
>> >> >> Which German units had uniforms that looked exactly like Soviet
>> >> >> uniforms? When were these uniforms issued?
>>
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>> >> >Looks like an Einsatzgruppen killing to me; maybe Nazi sympathizing
>> >> >partisans did it such as in Lithuania. Yes, the photo is grainy but
>> >> >not so grainy that there is a boatload of dead naked people and
>> >> >soldiers with guns.
>>
>> >> That much I saw also, but you claim to have been able to identify the
>> >> weapons as "German". You didn't answer any of my questions, so I have
>> >> to conclude that you can't.
>>
>> >> You are speculating wildly after having been called on the questions
>> >> of uniforms and weapons. Even the corpses look rather odd. The whole
>> >> "photograph" has the looks of a fabrication.
>>
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>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Hardly. Again, a photogragh, even the best, is an interpretation of
>> >reality and not reality itself. I know. I took photograghy and that is
>> >one of the first things you learn. Doesn't mean necessarily its a
>> >fabrication. The photo is not a microscope here. No telling make or
>> >serial number. The uniforms look just like military uniforms. However,
>> >considering the "setting" it looks like an Einsatzgruppen photo.
>>
>> What you're saying is that ANY group with weapons next to a pile of
>> corpses must be Einsatzgruppen. You are clearly obsessed with this
>> topic. The physical evidence is irrelevant and your preconceived
>> notions trump everything. I've had this conversation already with a
>> bunch of brain-dead creationists. Reality and physical evidence mean
>> little to them either. For them, the scriptures trump reality and for
>> you your dogma trumps reality.
>
>Ragland:Well I'm glad you don't believe in Creationism. There is no
>such thing as "believe or faith" in real science. Einstein said "God
>don't roll dice" yet every observation is that "he" does. Einstein
>admitted he spent his latter career on a wild goose chase; he never
>"bellieved" in quantum mechanics.

>It's just a horrific picture plucked off a Holocaust site.

A few fraudulent pictures go a long way towards discrediting the whole
story.


> I don't
>know the details. I can assure you I can find bonafide Einsatzgruppen
>killing pictures.

It is no secret that the Einsatzgruppen killed people, as did numerous
allied units. It doesn't constitute proof or even evidence of the
six-million story. The current government of German seems set in the
mindset that any bullshit is fine as long as it is anti-Nazi. That
isn't good scientific history, and it will eventually be swept aside.

When I read about Napoleon, for example, I don't want to see the man
or the period of history as seen through self-serving British lenses
where they are always right and everybody else is always wrong. I want
to know what actually took place, why the various players did what
they did, and I don't want it obfuscated with silly British
moralizing. Moralizing has no place in a scientific study of history.
Moralizing is the stock-in-trade of a propaganda exercise.





> Would you like to see that.
>
>Michael Ragland
>
>
>
>
>>
>> >Michael Ragland- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -


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On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:50:52 +0100, Daniel Bernard
 wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:17:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>wrote:
>
>>"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message 
>>news:t7e394hih6g2rlvh8lq49ok88lanoqg94p@4ax.com...
>>> Germany has replaced Christianity with a pernicious cult: "Holocaust
>>> religion." In 1994, the parliament of the defunct "Bundesrepublik
>>> Deutschland" (BRD) - the post re-unification Federal Republic of
>>> Germany - treasonously mandated imposed Zionist legislation making it
>>> a criminal offense to deny or even play down the so-called "Jewish
>>> Holocaust."
>>
>>So, in short, you hate Germans.
>>
>''I love Germany so much that I'm glad there are two of them.'' 

At no point was there more than one Germany. The artificial allied
division is now history. The events of 08-May-1945 did not extinguish
the Second Empire founded in 1871. Legally, all authority wielded by
the BRD is on behalf of the Second Empire as its legal trustee.

>
>François Mauriac


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:24:34 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:09:08 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> But the document speaks of "eliminating Jews unfit for work".  What
>>> does that have to do with "vaporization device"?
>
>> Does the document even exist, or are we looking at another one of
>> those copies-of-a-copy-of-a-copy in which allied propaganda
>> specializes?
>
>It's funny.  You first try to misrepresent it,  you fail,
>and then you start with the "forgery" crap.  It's a
>pattern you follow.
>
>Yes,  it exists.  Nurnberg Document NO-365.  So many new
>things you learned today,  eh?

All the Nürnberg documents presented by the allies are copies of a
copy and none of the originals have ever been found.



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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:17:37 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"a-little-sanity"; "please"  wrote in message 
>news:g6t9lk$v6h$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>>> Vergasungsapparat would be properly translated as a "vaporization
>>> device", something that changes solids/liquids into vapours (gasses).
>>
>> But the document speaks of "eliminating Jews unfit for work".  What
>> does that have to do with "vaporization device"?
>
>Well, a Zyklon-B pellet *is* a "vaporization device".   Until it's exposed 
>to air, the pellet is an inert block of fiber.   When the can is opened, the 
>HCN embedded in it - and the irritant - vaporize.
>
>So our little Johannes is actually agreeing.

The translation was still wrong and misleading. The term
Vergasungsapparat is of itself not at all sinister. 

>
>HTH
>-pk 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:32:58 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:15:22 +0000 (UTC)
>RJ11  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> 
>> > A more effective way of using HCN would have been to drop a cyanide
>> > egg into an acid bath to disperse the gas quickly and efficiently -
>> > not drop flea pellets from a hole in the roof, wouldn't you agree?
>> 
>>    NO.  Zyklon was invented *because* it is a much easier to
>> use/transport/store source of HCN gas.  Open the can,  pour
>> out the pellets,  and that's it.  
>
>You would like us to believe **THAT'S IT** What about temperature,
>heating etc of these so-called death chambers. 
>
>>Why mess with a "cyanide egg"
>> and an acid bath?
>
>Come on man' we're talking about a conspiracy here to liquidate
>millions of people - do you really BELIEVE the Germans couldn't up with
>a better way than dropping pellets down a hole in a roof to accomplish
>this? So much for that famous German engineering, eh RJ? 

This was at the time the world's number ONE country in chemistry. The
poor choice of poison, the Mickey-mouse "gas chambers" that are only
one step up from having been built from random twigs and branches
scattered about the forests all lead me to severely doubt this story.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:19:37 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:40 -0400
>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> >RJ11  wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article ,
>> >> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
>> >> > RJ11  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >>    A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an
>> >> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an
>> >> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> >> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
>> >> >> chambers:
>> >> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>> >> 
>> >> > Trot out all of the Bolshevik propaganda you like -
>> >> 
>> >>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you
>> >> write?
>> >
>> >Yep.
>> > 
>> >> > the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder. 
>> >> 
>> >>    Why?
>> >
>> >Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>> >conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>> >pellets? Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas
>> >for that purpose.
>> >
>> There were also all the nerve gases such as "Tabun" that would have
>> been vastly more efficient, if killing people was the intent.
>
>Exactly! Not to mention the fact that Jews were basically concentrated
>into ghettos, why not bomb the ghettos? 

The allied bombers tended to focus on the densely populated inner
cities where the Jewish ghettos were. Large numbers of dead Jews would
have been generated by the allies themselves.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:31:07 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:7od494h3u5rjoh8a57ca0fsft9egvoi5uo@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
>>>RJ11  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> 127.0.0.1  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> > RJ11  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>    A document which mentions a 'gassing cellar' in an
>>>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>>>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>>>> >>
>>>> >>    A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an
>>>> >> Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>>>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>>>> >>
>>>> >>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
>>>> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>>>>
>>>> > Trot out all of the Bolshevik propaganda you like -
>>>>
>>>>    "Bolshevik propaganda"?  Do you bother to think before you write?
>>>
>>>Yep.
>>>
>>>> > the fact is that Zyklon-B wasn't suitable for mass-murder.
>>>>
>>>>    Why?
>>>
>>>Do you really believe that if the Germans had concocted this vast
>>>conspiracy to exterminate Europe's jews they would have used flea
>>>pellets? Get real.. If the goal was mass-murder the Germans had gas for
>>>that purpose.
>>>
>> There were also all the nerve gases such as "Tabun" that would have
>> been vastly more efficient, if killing people was the intent.
>
>I'm sure that these murderers would have appreciated your suggestions.
>
>However, gases such as Tabun are not common or inexpensive or at hand and 
>aren't a weapon that's easily masked as a shipment of a substance with a 
>legitimate use.

Tabun is sufficiently toxic that a few µg causes paralysis and death
in under ten seconds. Properly distributed, 1 kg of Tabun would be
sufficient to kill 500,000,000 people.

I doubt that a few kg of Tabun would be more expensive than thousands
of kg of flea pellets.

>
>You really should consider education.
>-pk


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:13:56 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Truth Will Out"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Michael"  wrote in message 
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>> On Jul 31, 1:24 pm, "127.0.0.1"  wrote:
>>> It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards the
>>> chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or writing the
>>> American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036, telephone (201)
>>> 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works such as the various
>>> editions (in particular the 11th) of the Encyclopedia Britannica under
>>> "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid", "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical
>>> Toxicology of Commercial Products, or Legal Medicine and Toxicology by
>>> Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd edition). One might be permitted to
>>> ask:
>>>
>>> (a) whether there is any such thing as an "amethyst-blue crystal of
>>> hydrogen cyanide" (Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 160; Shirer, Rise
>>> and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 970);
>>>
>>> (b) whether hydrogen cyanide can be solidified at room temperature in
>>> an ordinary tin can (Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, p.
>>> 566, "The hydrogen cyanide, solidified into pellets, immediately passed
>>> into the gaseous state");
>>>
>>> (c) whether hydrogen cyanide can be made to crystallize in a vacuum and
>>> become gaseous upon exposure to air ("I used Zyklon B, which was a
>>> crystallized prussic acid", Rudolf Hoess at Nuremberg, quoted in
>>> Shirer, p. 968); (1)
>>>
>>> (d) whether potassium cyanide becomes immediately gaseous upon exposure
>>> to air '"The use of special chemicals, such as Zyklon B [potassium
>>> cyanide] ...... from a special opening in the ceiling, Zyklon B
>>> crystals were introduced, becoming immediately gaseous". Moshe
>>> Pearlmann, The Capture and Trial of Adolph Eichmann, pp. 375, 385)
>>> (Note: Is potassium cyanide a crystal?);
>>>
>>> (e) whether any salt of cyanide in the absence of an acid could release
>>> lethal quantities of poisonous gas in 30 seconds ("He gave me a bottle
>>> containing about half a pint of salts. I think they were salts of
>>> cyanide... I introduced a certain quantity of salt through a tube...
>>> they breathed for about half a minute before they fell to the floor".
>>> Joseph Kramer at the Belsen Trial, quoted in Shirer, p. 981);
>>>
>>> (f) whether humidity is an antidote to cyanide poisoning ("The subject,
>>> a girl aged 15, was saved by contact with the humidity of the cement
>>> floor", Reitlinger, p. 157;
>>>
>>> (g) whether victims of cyanide poisoning retain consciousness ("We knew
>>> when the people were dead, because their screaming stopped". Rudolf
>>> Hoess, former Auschwitz commander, at Nuremberg, quoted in Rise and
>>> Fall of the Third Reich, p. 968); (1) This is medically impossible. The
>>> Merck Index of Dangerous Properties of Industrial Chemicals (p. 623)
>>> describes the symptoms of cyanide poisoning as "unconsciousness,
>>> convulsions and respiratory arrest". Clinical Toxicology of Commercial
>>> Products (Gleason, p. 76) lists them as "unconsciousness followed
>>> promptly by violent convulsions". The Encyclopedia Britannica ("Prussic
>>> Acid", 1911) says, "The patient is quite unconscious". Legal Medicine
>>> and Toxicology (Peterson, Haines and Webster, 2nd Edition) remarks
>>> (Vol. 2, p. 678), "The patient falls to the ground insensible", and
>>> mentions a case history in which the victim was unconscious for six
>>> hours! The same standard reference work contains numerous case
>>> histories of accidental or suicidal cyanide poisoning. P. 682: "...
>>> fell to the ground insensible... died quietly without any further
>>> struggle 15 or 20 minutes after taking the poison... he did not
>>> scream... fell to the ground completely insensible, he died in about 10
>>> minutes"; p. 681: "... loss of consciousness... complete
>>> insensibility... signs of returning consciousness in two hours after
>>> admission..."; p. 679: ... "a healthy woman... died in 15 to 20
>>> minutes. ... in another case a man took a similar dose and was
>>> insensible for four hours, but recovered"; p. 677: "In some cases the
>>> patient staggers a few steps, and then falls down and dies in five
>>> minutes or less without sound or convulsion".
>>>
>>> Hoess could only ascertain death by entering the chamber and taking
>>> pulse or heartbeat. Cyanide is not practical for mass killing in
>>> concentrations less than that required to cause instant death ("Poison
>>> Gas Warfare", 1922 Supplement, Encyclopedia Britannica). (2) The
>>> concentrations required to kill quickly are extremely high and must be
>>> exactly known - not guessed at by listening to unconscious people.
>>>
>>> (h) whether anything can be a crystal, a pellet, a "gas crystal" (?)
>>> (Shirer, p. 971), a salt and a gas all at the same time, as well as two
>>> different chemicals at once ("this dangerous gas", etc, "these tins of
>>> gas". Rudolf Hoess in Poland six months later, according to the
>>> Communist ghost-written autobiography, Commandant at Auschwitz, p. 208);
>>>
>>> (i) whether any solid of cyanide intended to kill fleas and lice would
>>> be an efficient instrument for purposes of mass murder, compared to the
>>> ethyl cyanide or cyanic acid used in the manufacture of fulminate of
>>> mercury (Leschke, Clinical Toxicology, p. 56) or the acrylonitrile used
>>> to make Buna nitrile (GBR) rubber ("Organically bound cyanides, i.e.,
>>> acrylonitrile, are sometimes used as fumigant gases, especially for
>>> grains", Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, p. 74; "Also
>>> developed by the Germans (GBR) ... manufactured in large tonnage during
>>> the war... copolymerized with acrylonitrile... up to 40% acrylonitrile
>>> by volume". Colliers Encyclopedia, "Rubber", 1965);
>>>
>>> Please note: the Monowitz Rubber Plant at Auschwitz was one of the
>>> largest in the world, established by I.G. Farben. Farben held the
>>> patient for Zyklon B, and was supposedly cooperating in the mass
>>> gassings. Krupp established a huge munitions plant at Auschwitz.
>>> Fulminate of mercury is a primary explosive related chemically to the
>>> cyanides (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Fulminic Acid"). Hydrocyanic acid
>>> is explosive (Sax, Dangerous Properties of Industrial Chemicals, p.
>>> 764);
>>>
>>> (j) whether cyanide gas is heavier than air, since it was supposedly
>>> released from the ceiling, ("... looking up at the shower heads, from
>>> which no water came... realized the gas was coming out of the vents..."
>>> Shirer, p. 970).
>>>
>>> (k) whether "powerful fans" are a smart way to get rid of cyanide gas
>>> in an industrial complex housing 200,000 people, etc. (3) Needless to
>>> say, the answer to every one of these questions is "No". Zyklon B was a
>>> commercially manufactured fumigant intended for fleas and lice packed
>>> in a 200-gram tin can. Since 200 grams of pure hydrocyanic acid could
>>> kill at least 2,000 people, it was evidently highly diluted (4).
>>> Hydrocyanic acid "in the pure state is said to kill with a
>>> lightning-like rapidity. It is met with in commerce only in a diluted
>>> state..." (Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, "Poisons"). "A stout,
>>> muscular man, aged 40, drank by mistake half an ounce of 1.48 percent
>>> solution of hydrocyanic acid... fell suddenly, completely insensible...
>>> he died... in about ten minutes" (Legal Medicine and Toxicology, Vol.
>>> 2, p. 682).
>>>
>>> At the rate of 60-100 milligrams per person, the manufacture of 1,000
>>> tons of nitrile rubber could require enough pure hydrocyanic acid for
>>> the preparation of acrylonitrile to "gas" the entire world! (Note: In
>>> practice, as opposed to theory, "mass gassings" require huge amounts of
>>> poison, because the air acts as a dilutant and filter. The liquid must
>>> evaporate and fill the entire chamber to an extremely high
>>> concentration, which takes time. To kill 2000 people in 2 minutes would
>>> probably require a ton of pure cyanide).
>>>
>>> (5) According to pre-Nuremberg technical literature, the active
>>> ingredient in Zyklon B was a liquid "absorbed in granular
>>> diatomite" (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hydrocyanic Acid", 1943). A
>>> single inhalation of pure hydrocyanic acid (60 milligrams) produces
>>> near instantaneous unconsciousness followed by death in several
>>> minutes. Zyklon B (which the "Holocaust experts" claim was used to gas
>>> the Jews), in contrast, was so fantastically weak that to kill clothes
>>> moths with Zyklon required 16 grams per cubic meter over a 24-hour
>>> exposure. (Source: Document NI-9912, Office of the Chief Counsel for
>>> War Crimes, 1947, a translation of directions issued by the Health
>>> Institute of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in Prague, p. 6).
>>> A Polish Communist, Pelagia Lewinska (Twenty Months at Auschwitz, p.
>>> 55), has remarked: "The gas [Zyklon] was too weak, did not always kill
>>> the lice and did no harm whatsoever against the nits".
>>>
>>> According to post-Nuremberg Jewish "historians", Zyklon B was a
>>> commercial bug-bomb packed in a tin can which apparently no one ever
>>> opened, containing non-existent crystals, salts or pellets compressed
>>> to kill fleas, reacting in an impossible way and releasing fumes which
>>> went down instead of up, producing impossible symptoms, and that this
>>> dilute mixture was used in preference to tons of an extremely powerful
>>> poison which was readily available! THE OVENS The German edition of
>>> Shirer's Rise and Fall (p. 1025 in the Knaur paperback edition)
>>> contains a footnote which is apparently the result of a legal action
>>> brought against the German publishers by the manufacturer of the
>>> crematory ovens at Belgrade (the Didier-Werke). The note observes that
>>> the "dimensions are those which are standard for crematory ovens of a
>>> not-very-modern design intended for smaller cemeteries, and would be
>>> unsuitable for mass burnings". Anyone who has ever tried to burn
>>> magazines in a trash can will immediately recognize that the technical
>>> problems involved in designing a crematory oven capable of burning
>>> several thousand corpses a day would be practically insurmountable.
>>> Such an oven would have to be equipped with giant mechanical arms to
>>> keep the bodies stirred up as well as an apparatus to keep the fuel and
>>> air evenly distributed. Photographs of German ovens taken immediately
>>> after the war show 18-inch doors about two feet off the floor. Those at
>>> Buchenwald have even been photographed with the doors open, showing
>>> back and side walls, grid and grate, very clearly. The story according
>>> to Hilberg, Shirer and others is that the ovens proved "inefficient",
>>> and the bodies were finally burned in the open using wood and petroleum
>>> for fuel. The buildings were razed and the landscape altered by
>>> planting trees (!) thus conveniently destroying all real evidence.
>>> (Source of "information": The Soviet Union at Nuremberg). Legal
>>> Medicine and Toxicology observes (Vol. 2, pp. 881-883) that it requires
>>> 40 hours to burn a human body using wood as fuel.
>>>
>>> "A body of ordinary size is completely cremated when gas is used as a
>>> fuel in one hour; when petroleum is used, from one and a half to two
>>> hours are required. The ash which remains, which consists entirely of
>>> mineral substances, all organic compounds having been destroyed, weighs
>>> from five to nine pounds, depending on the size of the body".
>>>
>>> This means 15,000 to 27,000 tons of ashes for six million people. Where
>>> is it? As usual, we are left with only the Communists to tell us how it
>>> all came to disappear. The cremation of 16,000 bodies a day (according
>>> to Rudolf Hoess) using petroleum as fuel would require over 1,000
>>> ovens. Where are they? The larger camps have four or five; the smaller
>>> camps have one or two; and they are coal-fired. What kind of murder
>>> program is this?
>>>
>>> When one considers that there are
>>> no oversize ovens;
>>> no "gas chambers" which have not repeatedly been proven to be merely
>>> shower baths, which is what they were supposed to have been in the
>>> first place ("See those shower heads? This is a gas chamber. Two
>>> dollars, please".); no significant quantity of ashes or skeletons; no
>>> documents which are not Zionist or Communist forgeries; that the
>>> chemical reactions, symptoms and crematory processes described are
>>> impossible; and that Jews have never cooperated with a census at any
>>> time in history (see I Chronicles: 21 and II Samuel: 24),
>>>
>>> one is tempted to ask: if millions of them really disappeared during
>>> the war, how would we know it? By believing what we see on TV? Surely
>>> not.
>>>
>>> The slaughter of 1.5 million Cambodians by the Communists was given an
>>> average of 20-seconds evening network-news coverage per month. By
>>> contrast an imaginary atrocity involving Jews 40 years ago gets nine
>>> and one-half hours in one week! Is this lack of proportion coincidental?
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> (1) The "confession" referred to in (c) and (g) was written entirely in
>>> English by Lt. Col. Smith W. Brookhart Jr. (reportedly still living at
>>> 18 Hillside Drive, Denver, Colorado USA 80215). There is no proof that
>>> Hoess understood English. The translation into German dated 3 days
>>> later was never signed. Brookhart was the son of a Senator from
>>> Washington, Iowa. A person who knows the family well is Rev. George
>>> McDaniel of St. Ambrose University, 518 Locust St., Davenport, Iowa.
>>> (2) What the article actually says is: "A gas is classed as immediately
>>> fatal when death follows exposure for a period of two minutes to a
>>> certain concentration (i.e., a certain proportion of the air breathed).
>>> A higher concentration may cause instantaneous death. The only known
>>> compounds which, in concentrations practically obtainable, produce
>>> immediate death are those containing cyanogen. The chief disadvantage
>>> of these compounds is that when the concentration is not sufficient to
>>> cause death, they have no effect at all... the specific lethal gases
>>> will only produce their effect in very high concentrations, which means
>>> that a large number of shells must be used simultaneously over a
>>> certain area..." (3) These fans never existed. See the Leuchter Report.
>>> (4) This is an error. See the Leuchter Report. (5) American prisons
>>> have been known use up to 2 pounds of cyanide salt in acid to generate
>>> the gas required to kill one convict in a very small chamber in much
>>> longer than 2 minutes. The convict is unconscious in 40 seconds, but
>>> may take 15 minutes to die. See "Until You Are Dead: Executions in
>>> America" by Frederick Drimmer, pp. 57-59. See also page 12, column 1 of
>>> the Leuchter Report, Focal Point edition. This essay was written in
>>> 1978 and revised in 1985. It has been rendered obsolete by the Leuchter
>>> Report published in 1988.
>>>
>>> I continue to make the essay available despite its shortcomings because
>>> it was only the impossibility of the chemical reactions which first
>>> convinced me that the Holocaust was a lie.http://www.cwporter.com/c1.htm
>>
>>>Why do some of these creeps not archive their messages? Are they
>>>paranoid or don't want to
>>>be archived shit for years. Is it illegal in their country?
>>
>>>Michael Ragland
>>
>> I'm not sure "creeps" is a politically correct term to describe people who 
>> question, Michael, but questioning the Holocaust certainly is fraught with 
>> all types of danger to life, wellbeing and liberty.
>>
>> The Holocaust is the only historical event I am aware of that is protected 
>> from investigation by legislation.
>
>Well then, you're about to learn something new.
>
>First, the Holocaust is not "protected from investigation by legislation", 
>anywhere in the world.   This is why it is investigated in universities 
>every day, in many countries.

If that is the case, then why do you rely on "proofs" from a judicial
farce such as Nürnberg and its coerced bogus confessions if more
modern research is available?

The fact is, that such modern physical research as has been done, in
the camps within Germany for example, does not support the exaggerated
postwar claims of the allies. That is why you continuously trot out
old stuff from the forties that can charitably be dismissed as
self-serving allied propaganda assembled for political purposes.

>
>What is illegal, in perhaps 13 countries, is denying, justifying, or 
>minimizing it.    These are not remotely the same as investigating it.
>
>Second, in a number of countries, every event in the Q'uran is protected 
>from questioning, by legislation that is considerably harsher than anything 
>related to the Holocaust.   It can carry the death penalty.
>
>Third, in Turkey, investigating the Turkish role in the Armenian massacres 
>is illegal.
>
>>
>> Truth needs no such protection.
>
>And that's why libel and slander laws don't exist, right?
>
>-pk 


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:59:40 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"127.0.0.1"  wrote in message 
>news:Lxqkk.5324$LF2.232@newsfe09.iad...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:10 -0400
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>> > It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> > Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards
>>> > the chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or
>>> > writing the American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036,
>>> > telephone (201) 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works
>>> > such as the various editions (in particular the 11th) of the
>>> > Encyclopedia Britannica under "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid",
>>> > "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, or
>>> > Legal Medicine and Toxicology by Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd
>>> > edition). One might be permitted to ask:
>>>
>>> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC
>>> has on the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a
>>> murder agent.
>>
>> Since Zyklon-B has never been used as a murder agent, that question
>> would be difficult to answer.
>
>In fact it has.
>
>Your very clumsy and ill-informed attempts at denial don't change either 
>reality or history.
>
>>> One might be permitted to ask why, if Porter thinks that Zyklon works
>>> as advertised and is not as dangerous as its manufacturer and it
>>> label said it was,  why Degesch and the German Government required
>>> users to undergo special training and wear protective clothing and
>>> masks and so clearly marked the tins as deadly poison.
>>
>>
>> One might ask how jews claimed to have went in and removed the people
>> who were gassed without the use of gas-mask and protective clothing.
>
>It's called ventilation, and gas masks were provided.

They wouldn't be much benefit. I handled KCN in my university
chemistry courses, and we were told that it is quickly absorbed
through the skin with rapidly lethal results. We were told that if
there is an accident, and somebody gets into contact with the KCN,
under NO CIRCUMSTANCES were we to touch the victim's clothing or the
victim, unless we wanted to join the victim on the floor.

The cleanup crews in your fable seemed to have been completely immune
to the effects of the poison.

>
>By the  the way, the Sonderkommando who were assigned to pull bodies out 
>were themselves expendable.
>
>You would have the answers to these questions if you bothered to do the 
>homework.
>
>Instead, you embrace your ignorance, as if it enhances your appearance.
>
>
>> (Or you could provide me with testimony where those who claimed to
>> have removed these gassed bodies were dressed in full chemical gear)
>>
>>
>>> One might be permitted to ask why people kept using a product that
>>> you and Porter claim didn't work as advertised.
>>
>> It worked for its intended purpose .i.e. a pesticide.
>
>And that means that you agree that it works to kill humans.
>
>Only a small fraction of what's necessary to kill lice in three days is 
>needed to kill humans in five minutes.
>
>You aren't nearly as smart as you pretend to be, Tommy.
>
>>> One might be permitted to ask why the Merck Index lists 300ppm of HCN
>>> as lethal to humans in 5 minutes.   Of course, fumigation requires
>>> 11,000 to 17,000 ppm maintained for up to 72 hours.
>>
>> You and the Nizkook crowd claim that 1600-ppm were used.
>
>No, I do not claim that.     It is 11,000 to 17,000ppm, for up to three 
>days, versus 300ppm for five minutes.
>
>1600ppm would not kill lice.
>
>>> Tommy, you really should go and talk to your Mum.   Tell her that you
>>> haven't learned anything, can't think for yourself, fall for the
>>> stupidest lies, and that you really do need special schooling.
>>
>> You really should look at the other side of the coin and stop believing
>> in old Soviet Bolshevik propaganda, it's been over half a century.
>
>Try looking at the science and the manufacturer and industry documenation, 
>Tommy.
>
>And do go have that talk with your Mum.   You're really not learning 
>anything and are just looking like a complete mark.
>
>Hope this helps.
>-pk


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:38:39 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"127.0.0.1"  wrote in message 
>news:wLrkk.2294$3l5.68@newsfe06.iad...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:59:40 -0400
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>> news:Lxqkk.5324$LF2.232@newsfe09.iad...
>>> > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:10 -0400
>>> > "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>> >> > It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> >> > Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards
>>> >> > the chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or
>>> >> > writing the American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036,
>>> >> > telephone (201) 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference
>>> >> > works such as the various editions (in particular the 11th) of
>>> >> > the Encyclopedia Britannica under "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic
>>> >> > Acid", "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical Toxicology of Commercial
>>> >> > Products, or Legal Medicine and Toxicology by Peterson, Haines
>>> >> > and Webster (2nd edition). One might be permitted to ask:
>>> >>
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC
>>> >> has on the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a
>>> >> murder agent.
>>> >
>>> > Since Zyklon-B has never been used as a murder agent, that question
>>> > would be difficult to answer.
>>>
>>> In fact it has.
>>
>>
>> Not that you and the holocaust industry has been able to prove.
>
>Wrong, but you are afraid to do anything but deny it.
>
>And there are precisely zero valid technical objections to the use of 
>Zyklon-B as a murder agent, used in the manner described.
>
>
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask why, if Porter thinks that Zyklon
>>> >> works as advertised and is not as dangerous as its manufacturer
>>> >> and it label said it was,  why Degesch and the German Government
>>> >> required users to undergo special training and wear protective
>>> >> clothing and masks and so clearly marked the tins as deadly poison.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > One might ask how jews claimed to have went in and removed the
>>> > people who were gassed without the use of gas-mask and protective
>>> > clothing.
>>>
>>> It's called ventilation, and gas masks were provided.
>>
>>> By the  the way, the Sonderkommando who were assigned to pull bodies
>>> out were themselves expendable.
>>
>>
>> Who testified to using gas mask while removing bodies? Provide me with
>> the transcript's of this testimony.. Thanks...
>
>And Tommy demonstrates his inability to look things up for himself.
>
>
>>> > (Or you could provide me with testimony where those who claimed to
>>> > have removed these gassed bodies were dressed in full chemical gear)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask why people kept using a product that
>>> >> you and Porter claim didn't work as advertised.
>>> >
>>> > It worked for its intended purpose .i.e. a pesticide.
>>>
>>> And that means that you agree that it works to kill humans.
>>
>>
>> The purpose of Zyklon-B wasn't to kill humans.
>
>Of course it wasn't its purpose.   Murder is illegal, and was illegal in 
>Germany too, 

Murder is a legal classification. The USA kills people all the time,
but it isn't murder because their laws don't define it as murder.
Americans tend to think that they are doing a good deed when they kill
people, especially non-Americans.

In any case, flea pellets are a cumbersome approach if
industrial-style liquidation of enemies of the state was the intent.



>which is another reason Zyklon was an excellent choice, there 
>being a legitimate reason to have it on hand.
>
>You pretend to not understand that if there is enough HCN to kill lice, 
>there is vastly more than enough to kill humans.
>
>But your pretending only makes you look slow.
>
>>
>>
>>> Only a small fraction of what's necessary to kill lice in three days
>>> is needed to kill humans in five minutes.
>>
>>
>> Five minutes?
>
>Yes.   Look it up.   An HCN concentration of 300ppm will kill humans in five 
>minutes or less.
>
>Even if they don't die instantly, victims are actively dying within 
>moments - a few breaths -  because their blood can no longer absorb oxygen.
>
>>> You aren't nearly as smart as you pretend to be, Tommy.
>>
>> Flattery will get you know where.
>
>Your schooling certainly isn't taking you anywhere.
>
>Perhaps the problem isn't with the school.
>
>You really should ask you Mum for help with this.
>
>>> >> One might be permitted to ask why the Merck Index lists 300ppm of
>>> >> HCN as lethal to humans in 5 minutes.   Of course, fumigation
>>> >> requires 11,000 to 17,000 ppm maintained for up to 72 hours.
>>> >
>>> > You and the Nizkook crowd claim that 1600-ppm were used.
>>>
>>> No, I do not claim that.     It is 11,000 to 17,000ppm, for up to
>>> three days, versus 300ppm for five minutes.
>>>
>>> 1600ppm would not kill lice.
>>
>> We're talking humans, not lice....
>
>Would you mind paying attention?
>
>One of the benchmark values for HCN toxicity is that 300ppm is lethal to 
>humans in five minutes.
>
>If 1600ppm were used on humans, they would be dead in a couple of minutes.
>
>I would not be surprised at all if 1600ppm were achieved, as Zyklon was 
>cheap and readily available in large amounts.   "Waste" was not an issue.
>
>But they did not test for the concentration, other than by observing the 
>results:   everyone died.
>
>Neither, for that matter, do US prisons when they execute prisoners using 
>gas.   This is why people like Berg cannot answer what the HCN concentration 
>was when gassings in US prisons take longer than expected.    We can, but 
>Berg won't, estimate the achieved concentration from the time to death as 
>being low, since the toxicity of HCN has been well established for many 
>decades.
>
>
>>> >> Tommy, you really should go and talk to your Mum.   Tell her that
>>> >> you haven't learned anything, can't think for yourself, fall for
>>> >> the stupidest lies, and that you really do need special schooling.
>>> >
>>> > You really should look at the other side of the coin and stop
>>> > believing in old Soviet Bolshevik propaganda, it's been over half a
>>> > century.
>>>
>>> Try looking at the science and the manufacturer and industry
>>> documenation, Tommy.
>>
>> See the original topic of this thread...
>
>I did.   You should.
>
>-pk


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:13:17 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:Sb2dnZhkmef6rw_VnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message 
>> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>> It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>> Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards the
>>> chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or writing the
>>> American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036, telephone (201)
>>> 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works such as the various
>>> editions (in particular the 11th) of the Encyclopedia Britannica under
>>> "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid", "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical
>>> Toxicology of Commercial Products, or Legal Medicine and Toxicology by
>>> Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd edition). One might be permitted to
>>> ask:
>>
>> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC has on 
>> the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a murder agent.
>
>Idiot. What specific expertise do you posses?
>
>
I'm sure that even a cavalier American company has safety regulations
in the handling of its poisonous products. They generally know what
their stuff can or cannot do.


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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Michael
 wrote:

>
>
>Because they we're concentrated strictly on winning WII?

No. Either they didn't know about the alleged holocaust™ or they
thought it unimportant.

They did in fact bomb some of the camps, I guess in the belief that
whatever the Nazis were doing there was too slow and inefficient.
Bombs are dramatically more efficient than flea pellets.

>
>Michael Ragland


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:10:56 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article <4o6694thk86vuhcg5cch7jb2t6mu62rs19@4ax.com>,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Well Jacobson, 
>
>Yeh,  yeh (yaawn).
>
>> in those topics where I am 100% certain of what took
>> place, it seems that you and your pack are telling lies, so there is
>> no reason for me to believe that what you say in areas where I am less
>> familiar is any different.
>
>Yeh,  yeh (yaawn).
>
>Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  you sad little thing?

Why should I care?


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> This was at the time the world's number ONE country in chemistry. The
>> poor choice of poison,
>
>Why was HCN a "poor choice"?

That has already been explained numerous times on this newsgroup.

The formula weight for HCN is 1+12+14 = 27, meaning that 22.4 litres
of this gas at STP has a mass of 27 grams.

Air is a solution of oxygen and nitrogen in a 20:80 proportion, so
that 22.4 litres of it at STP would have a mass of 29 grams.

Essentially, HCN will rise in air, not fall. Having ceiling holes to
add flea pellets would be the ultimate in bad design. That is only one
of the countless flaws in the stories surrounding the showers/gas
chambers.


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:10:56 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>
>>> Did you find out who Veesenmayer was,  you sad little thing?
>
>> Why should I care?
>
>Because you entered a discussion about the number of Hungarian
>Jews deported to Auschwitz,  and he composed reports which
>provide the number of deportees.

How do you know that Veesenmayer was correct?


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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:53:30 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:

>On Aug 3, 5:57 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 2:35 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:d7bab138-1555-4af0-b7c0-a289b8844276@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 3, 2:15 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:d24d9447-66ff-4bd5-858e-f889d0667bf1@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Aug 3, 12:32 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Jul 30, 9:03 pm, Jewdas  wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Joe Bruno wrote:
>> > > > > > On Jul 28, 8:04 pm, "The Quantum Shaman" 
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >>http://domarisociety.googlepages.com/aboutthedomaricommunitycenter
>>
>> > > > > >> My people (forefathers) have lived in the Old City of Jerusalem and
>> > > > > >> the West
>> > > > > >> Bank for over 100 years, and yet, in many ways, during these 100
>> > > > > >> years our
>> > > > > >> standard of living and status of life has not changed. Many of my
>> > > > > >> people
>> > > > > >> still live without electricity, many do not have indoor plumbing,
>> > > > > >> and
>> > > > > >> many
>> > > > > >> cannot read or write.
>>
>> > > > > >> What are the goals of this new organization, Domari: the Society of
>> > > > > >> Gypsies
>> > > > > >> in Israel?
>>
>> > > > > >> We would like to raise our standard of living through education and
>> > > > > >> health
>> > > > > >> care.
>>
>> > > > > >> Many of the Gypsy children do not attend school because they are
>> > > > > >> discriminated against by the teachers and other students. Many are
>> > > > > >> ashamed
>> > > > > >> to go to school because they do not have clothes or backpacks like
>> > > > > >> the other
>> > > > > >> children. Because their parents did not attend school they are
>> > > > > >> unable
>> > > > > >> to get
>> > > > > >> good jobs and don't have the money needed to buy the books and
>> > > > > >> school
>> > > > > >> supplies.
>>
>> > > > > >> If the children were to attend school, they would be able to get
>> > > > > >> better jobs
>> > > > > >> and raise their standard of living.
>>
>> > > > > >> Health care is another concern of our organization. We need to
>> > > > > >> teach
>> > > > > >> the
>> > > > > >> women how to care for the health of their children and family. We
>> > > > > >> need to
>> > > > > >> look at how we can help the disabled in our community. Currently
>> > > > > >> there is no
>> > > > > >> health care available in our community. This needs to be changed.
>>
>> > > > > >> --
>> > > > > >> +
>>
>> > > > > > The USA has numerous Constitutional amendments that forbid
>> > > > > > discrimination against minorities.
>> > > > > > Not every country has the Civil Rights protection for it's citizens
>> > > > > > that the USA has.
>>
>> > > > > > Most countries outside the USA have none at all.
>>
>> > > > > > This is a blinding revelation to you?
>>
>> > > > > Joey, Are you finally admitting that the Zionist Ersatz State of
>> > > > > Israel
>> > > > > is not a real Democracy after all?
>>
>> > > > ROTFL! A democracy is a country in which the majority makes the
>> > > > political decisions.
>> > > > This has nothing to do with civil rights, which protect the minoities.-
>> > > > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > - Show quoted text -
>> > > > This has nothing to do with civil rights, which protect the
>> > > >minoities.-
>> > > >That should read "civil rights laws".
>>
>> > > Civli Rights laws are not democratic, b'luto. Most of these laws were
>> > > foist
>> > > upon the populance against their wishes.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>> > >Horsedung. Our civil rights laws were voted into effect by Congress,
>> > >the representatives of the American voter.
>>
>> > But not by the citizens, b'luto. The laws were foist upon them.
>>
>> > In a real democracy, laws of this magnitude, would be taken to referendum.-
>>
>> That's your definition of democracy, not ours.
>> American politicians are always polling their constituents asking them
>> for their views on issues.
>> Stay in Australia and mind your own damn business.
>
>The US is supposed to be a republic, not a democracy.

Nazi Germany was also a republic, as was the former Soviet Union, so
what is your point?


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:21:42 -0700 (PDT), "Chris C. Larson"
 wrote:

>PLEASE stop shitting on Germany. And post something original. No one
>here reads cut and paste. This is for original thought only.
>
>Thank you

DDR-light deserves to take some shit. Modern Germany is no democracy.



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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:19:40 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>You apparently don't realize that the HCN was not pumped into
>the chambers in gaseous form.  The SS used a solid carrier
>called Zyklon-B,  which was either lowered into the chambers
>or thrown on the floor.

I said that, didn't I? Flea pellets are usually solids, but these gave
off HCN.


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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:38:16 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>news:Cu6dnSa_nY0SHQ7VnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> "a-little-sanity"; "please"  wrote in message 
>> news:g6vk3s$ff7$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:13:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Why was HCN a "poor choice"?
>>>
>>>> That has already been explained numerous times on this newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> The formula weight for HCN is 1+12+14 = 27, meaning that 22.4 litres
>>>> of this gas at STP has a mass of 27 grams.
>>>>
>>>> Air is a solution of oxygen and nitrogen in a 20:80 proportion, so
>>>> that 22.4 litres of it at STP would have a mass of 29 grams.
>>>>
>>>> Essentially, HCN will rise in air, not fall. Having ceiling holes to
>>>> add flea pellets would be the ultimate in bad design.
>>>
>>> You apparently don't realize that the HCN was not pumped into
>>> the chambers in gaseous form.  The SS used a solid carrier
>>> called Zyklon-B,  which was either lowered into the chambers
>>> or thrown on the floor.
>>>
>>> Further,  gases have this amazing property -- they mix.  You may
>>> consider that HCN was used to fumigate barracks,  houses,  and
>>> factories against rodents,  which usually live at floor level.  If
>>> all the HCN would rise to the ceiling,  how would it accomplish
>>> its task?
>>>
>>> Do some reading,  for Christ's sake.  For example,  you may
>>> want to compare the weight of oxygen and nitrogen.
>>
>> One might also note that the Nazis took advantage of their victims in a 
>> number of ways, including making use of their body temperature and breath 
>> to cause the air to move in the chambers, aiding the release and 
>> distribution of the gas.   Any movement, any crying or shouting, would 
>> hasten death.
>
>
>BBBWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>
>What a fucking idiot you are keenan. A complete and utter fuckwit.

Keenan also forgets that according to holocaust™ lore, there were ten
people per square metre in the execution chamber, so any movement was
pretty much impossible. They wouldn't be able to even fall over when
they died. At 10 /m², the people would not be able to expand their
chest cavities and would rapidly succumb to asphyxiation, so that
addition of poison to the environment would be totally superfluous.


>
>
>>
>> -pk
>> 


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:32:02 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>Again, please identify what it is you claim is exaggerated,  and identify 
>exactly what modern physical research you claim does not support it.

Early in the postwar period, the claim was that there were hundreds of
extermination sites in Germany, and huge fatality claims were posted
for each of the camps by the allied authorities.

After a time, all the sites in Germany were examinated, carefully, and
the death claims fell to generally under 5% of allied initial claims.
The holocaust™ story then abandoned Germany and moved to Poland, where
the sites were conveniently out of reach of researchers.


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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:26:59 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:3t969496veb0vl2u2ejmkbhnpdc91uc1b2@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:59:40 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>>news:Lxqkk.5324$LF2.232@newsfe09.iad...
>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:45:10 -0400
>>>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Ubpkk.5305$LF2.932@newsfe09.iad...
>>>>> > It has escaped the notice of most people that stories of a "Nazi
>>>>> > Holocaust" during World War II are actually impossible as regards
>>>>> > the chemistry of poisons. This can be verified by calling or
>>>>> > writing the American Cyanamid Co., Box 31, Linden, NJ 07036,
>>>>> > telephone (201) 862-6000, or by consulting standard reference works
>>>>> > such as the various editions (in particular the 11th) of the
>>>>> > Encyclopedia Britannica under "Hydrocyanic Acid", "Prussic Acid",
>>>>> > "Poisons", Gleason's Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, or
>>>>> > Legal Medicine and Toxicology by Peterson, Haines and Webster (2nd
>>>>> > edition). One might be permitted to ask:
>>>>>
>>>>> One might be permitted to ask what information or expertise the ACC
>>>>> has on the use of cyanide, particularly in the form of Zyklon, as a
>>>>> murder agent.
>>>>
>>>> Since Zyklon-B has never been used as a murder agent, that question
>>>> would be difficult to answer.
>>>
>>>In fact it has.
>>>
>>>Your very clumsy and ill-informed attempts at denial don't change either
>>>reality or history.
>>>
>>>>> One might be permitted to ask why, if Porter thinks that Zyklon works
>>>>> as advertised and is not as dangerous as its manufacturer and it
>>>>> label said it was,  why Degesch and the German Government required
>>>>> users to undergo special training and wear protective clothing and
>>>>> masks and so clearly marked the tins as deadly poison.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One might ask how jews claimed to have went in and removed the people
>>>> who were gassed without the use of gas-mask and protective clothing.
>>>
>>>It's called ventilation, and gas masks were provided.
>>
>> They wouldn't be much benefit.
>
>You'd be wanting to tell Degesch that, then.
>
>>  I handled KCN in my university
>> chemistry courses, and we were told that it is quickly absorbed
>> through the skin with rapidly lethal results.
>
>Yes, cyanide is rapidly lethal to humans.   That's why the Nazis took 
>advantage of the large stocks they had on hand.
>
>> We were told that if
>> there is an accident, and somebody gets into contact with the KCN,
>> under NO CIRCUMSTANCES were we to touch the victim's clothing or the
>> victim, unless we wanted to join the victim on the floor.
>
>You have assigned yourself a  fairly large task with the claim you try to 
>make by way of  this comparison.
>
>HCN as supplied via Zyklon-B was in very common, everyday use as a fumigant 
>throughout Germany.    In fact, the camps ordered tons of it to fumigate a 
>wide variety of materials and structures.    It was not uncommon for homes 
>to be fumigated, homes that contained things like curtains, furniture, and 
>carpets, things not easily removed.
>
>Note that the homes typically didn't have the forced ventilation systems 
>that the fumigation chambers did.
>
>So what you need to do now, is show exactly what all these thousands and 
>thousands of people did to regain access to and use of their homes, or 
>handle all of this material and clothing that passed through the fumigation 
>chambers.
>
>Shall we wait?

If the previous part of your post is correct, then you have shown
quite clearly that the flea pellets would not work as an execution
agent. My parents lived in Germany for decades, and they have never
heard of anybody fumigating a house with HCN. Sulphur dioxide is what
is most commonly used for that purpose.


>
>
>> The cleanup crews in your fable seemed to have been completely immune
>> to the effects of the poison.
>
>Or you just don't understand that, or why,  you are wrong.
>
>And the Sonderkommando  were competely expendable, a fact brought to their 
>attention regularly.

Replacing the sonderkommando every few seconds would be a major pain
in the ass, not to mention that not much cleanup would take place.

>
>-pk
>
> 


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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:28:09 +1000, The_Endeavor
 wrote:

>> The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed about 250.000 people
>> and became the most dreadful slaughter of civilians in modern history.
>> 
>
>Read this you might learn something
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Casualties_by_count
>ry
>
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Unfortunately, Wikipedia articles are not that reliable. The
population of Germany at the start of WW2 was 84 million (According to
Goode's American atlas) and not 69,000,000 as claimed in the Wikipedia
article. It is fraudulent to include Austrian casualties in Germany's,
and yet not include Austria's population within the contry of which it
was a part. That error skews the % loss calculations.

Too many of the figures show all the hallmarks of having been made to
conform to somebody's propaganda needs, as opposed to historical
accuracy.


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On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> What promise
>
>
>
>This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>
>Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>
>How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the 
>British would be right on Germany front steps.
>Kurt Knoll.

You are quite right, Kurt. There was no choice. Britain and France
could not attack Germany without violating the neutrality of Belgium
and the Netherlands. The accusations about violating Holland's
neutrality are simply sophistry. The British had no problem violating
Iran's neutrality during the same conflict, so why get bent out of
shape over Germany?

>
>
>
>http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>
>
>
>


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:20:48 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>And all we know is your explanation. You are writing the books for more than 
>60 years and expect us to believe in you.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:e13d0ba7-b05b-432d-8729-020c25ff58fe@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 6, 11:39 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>
>> > What promise
>>
>> This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>
>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>
>> How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the
>> British would be right on Germany front steps.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>
>
>
>It's hard to stay neutral with the fucking Nazis occupying your
>country.
>The Geneva convention allows neutral countries to repel invaders.
>If the damn Nazis had left Holland alone, they'd have one less enemy
>to fight.

That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
"neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.

>Your Adolf was one stupid motherfucker. 
>


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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz 
wrote:

>On Aug 6, 5:54 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5002dc4e-0453-41ae-a2cc-64b8b4c7f85c@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 6, 12:22 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:e541f179-a0a4-4e64-970a-d1a3f7543c8e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 4, 2:34 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> > > On 3-Aug-2008, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Aug 3, 6:24 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>> > > > > On Aug 3, 2:58 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>> > > > > > Good stuff, b'luto. The Jewnited States is morally bankrupt and is
>> > > > > > all
>> > > > > > but
>> > > > > > financially bankrupt, thanks to their support for and sucking up
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > Ersatz
>> > > > > > israel.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > Americans don't need the advice of a lying ignorant, sex-obsessed
>> > > > > bigot on anything.
>> > > > > Your approval is unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > > Wasn't asked for flaming troll asshole.
>>
>> > > I beg to differ - KKKramer was, indeed, asking for it &
>> > > was definitely the only flaming troll @$$hole in question.
>>
>> > > Susan
>> > >I'm beginning to think Ragland has a morning ritual. He bangs his head
>> > >against a concrete wall
>>
>> > That's what yids do, b'luto. Haven't you ever seen them in action at the
>> > whining wall?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>> >1.Ragland is not Jewish
>>
>> PPPRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF??????????????????????????????????????
>>
>> >2.They don't bang their heads on the Wailing Wall.
>>
>> B'ullshit. You've never been there, you stupid retard.<
>
>I have, you stupid Nazi fuck! I played handball there the last time.
>
>> Of course they bang their heads on the fucking rocks.<
>
>No they don't. But even if they did, so what? At least they don't
>flagellate themselves like the bloody Shiites. You see those guys
>whipping themselves with chains until their backs are  a bloody mess?
>No matter how crazy some of the Hereidim may be, they can't hold a
>candle to the blood Muzzies.
>
>> >You know what tradition is, don't you, or are you completely ignorant
>> >on that subject, too?
>>
>> Unlike you b'luto, I've seen the rag headed clowns belting their empty
>> noggins on the rocks.<
>
>You're full of fucking shit. And what are you doing desecrating our
>holy places? 

It's a wall, jgarbuz, nothing more. It may be religion to you but it's
just superstition to the rest of us.

I always laugh when driving through the Jewish section of Toronto and
seeing all the people with black clothes, black hats, and dyed black
hair scurrying along the sidewalks. My usual thought is "What a quaint
and silly superstition."

>Only I'm allowed to play handball there, not you, you
>fucking Nazi turd!


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:02:44 -0400, Eli Grubman
 wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz 
>wrote:
>
>>On Aug 6, 5:54 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>>wrote:
>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:5002dc4e-0453-41ae-a2cc-64b8b4c7f85c@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 6, 12:22 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> >news:e541f179-a0a4-4e64-970a-d1a3f7543c8e@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>> > On Aug 4, 2:34 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>>
>>> > > On 3-Aug-2008, Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > On Aug 3, 6:24 pm, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>>> > > > > On Aug 3, 2:58 am, "B. H. Cramer" 
>>> > > > > > Good stuff, b'luto. The Jewnited States is morally bankrupt and is
>>> > > > > > all
>>> > > > > > but
>>> > > > > > financially bankrupt, thanks to their support for and sucking up
>>> > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > Ersatz
>>> > > > > > israel.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > > > > Americans don't need the advice of a lying ignorant, sex-obsessed
>>> > > > > bigot on anything.
>>> > > > > Your approval is unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> > > > Wasn't asked for flaming troll asshole.
>>>
>>> > > I beg to differ - KKKramer was, indeed, asking for it &
>>> > > was definitely the only flaming troll @$$hole in question.
>>>
>>> > > Susan
>>> > >I'm beginning to think Ragland has a morning ritual. He bangs his head
>>> > >against a concrete wall
>>>
>>> > That's what yids do, b'luto. Haven't you ever seen them in action at the
>>> > whining wall?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>> >1.Ragland is not Jewish
>>>
>>> PPPRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFF??????????????????????????????????????
>>>
>>> >2.They don't bang their heads on the Wailing Wall.
>>>
>>> B'ullshit. You've never been there, you stupid retard.<
>>
>>I have, you stupid Nazi fuck! I played handball there the last time.
>
>You mean you had your hands in your pockets???

He plays pocket-pool, does he?

>
>Eli


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:32:45 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>You are an undereducated idiot and do not have the foggiest idea ho things 
>work. Take the situation of Norway as an example. One can see that Great 
>Britain and Germany did have the same intentions. And this was to cut of the 
>supply line for war material, Where in this instance it was about the iron 
>ore supply. The British came 2 hour latter than the German.  You can be rest 
>assured if the British landed first. Norway would have been occupied by the 
>British instead.

That is pretty much a certainty. Britain has violated the neutrality
of all kinds of countries over the years. Until eclipsed by the USA,
the UK held the world record for the number of military involvements.
Britain was the world's most warlike country until the Americans took
over in more recent decades.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9AF39A7E9259CTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>> news:tjKmk.63142$nD.35747@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> Apparently neutral means to stay out of an conflict.
>>
>> Apparently? You mean you don't know what the word neutrality means and yet
>> you are defending germanys abuse of Hollands neutrality? Why didn't
>> germany stay out of the conflict?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Certainly France and Holland did not have any intentions of being
>> neutral
>>
>>
>> France never intended to be neutral. Where have you been? Holland WAS
>> neutral, germany guaranteed their neutrality. How could germany guraantee
>> Hollands neutrality if Holland wasn't neutral?
>>
>>
>>> and we all know why. Kurt Knoll.
>>
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9AF395EEAED9FTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>>>> news:03nm94p2b645rq5le1p5gultgpdb88ksck@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:20:48 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>And all we know is your explanation. You are writing the books for
>>>>>>more than 60 years and expect us to believe in you.
>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:e13d0ba7-b05b-432d-8729-
>>>> 020c25ff58fe@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>On Aug 6, 11:39 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-
>>>> 5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>> .. On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > What promise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know
>>>>>>> the British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's hard to stay neutral with the fucking Nazis occupying your
>>>>>>country.
>>>>>>The Geneva convention allows neutral countries to repel invaders.
>>>>>>If the damn Nazis had left Holland alone, they'd have one less enemy
>>>>>>to fight.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
>>>>> channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
>>>>> discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
>>>>> "neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
>>>>> have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.
>>>>
>>>> And had Britian and France violated Hollands neutrality, it would have
>>>> resulted in quite a debacle...what with being surrounded by germans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Your Adolf was one stupid motherfucker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:35:16 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>No go back to your kindergarten and get your lollypop.

The guy is an illiterate clown, which is exactly why I have the silly
bastard on a filter. He is a racist to boot.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9AF39EF06E641Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>> news:hKKmk.63164$nD.24391@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> You are an undereducated idiot and do not have the foggiest idea ho
>>> things work.
>>
>>
>> What sort of education did you receive? Why do you always lie?
>>
>>
>> Take the situation of Norway as an example. One can see
>>> that Great Britain and Germany did have the same intentions. And this
>>> was to cut of the supply line for war material, Where in this instance
>>> it was about the iron ore supply. The British came 2 hour latter than
>>> the German.
>>
>> So, in fact germany did invade Norway and Britian didn't.
>>
>>
>>  You can be rest assured if the British landed first. Norway
>>> would have been occupied by the British instead.
>>
>> And if pigs flew they would be called knolls.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now tell us more about how germany respected Hollands neutrality. Tell us
>> more about France intending to be neutral.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9AF39A7E9259CTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>> news:tjKmk.63142$nD.35747@pd7urf1no:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently neutral means to stay out of an conflict.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently? You mean you don't know what the word neutrality means and
>>>> yet you are defending germanys abuse of Hollands neutrality? Why didn't
>>>> germany stay out of the conflict?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly France and Holland did not have any intentions of being
>>>> neutral
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> France never intended to be neutral. Where have you been? Holland WAS
>>>> neutral, germany guaranteed their neutrality. How could germany
>>>> guraantee Hollands neutrality if Holland wasn't neutral?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and we all know why. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns9AF395EEAED9FTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>>>>>> news:03nm94p2b645rq5le1p5gultgpdb88ksck@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:20:48 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And all we know is your explanation. You are writing the books for
>>>>>>>>more than 60 years and expect us to believe in you.
>>>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:e13d0ba7-b05b-432d-8729-
>>>>>> 020c25ff58fe@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>On Aug 6, 11:39 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-
>>>>>> 5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>>>> .. On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > What promise
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know
>>>>>>>>> the British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's hard to stay neutral with the fucking Nazis occupying your
>>>>>>>>country.
>>>>>>>>The Geneva convention allows neutral countries to repel invaders.
>>>>>>>>If the damn Nazis had left Holland alone, they'd have one less enemy
>>>>>>>>to fight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
>>>>>>> channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
>>>>>>> discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
>>>>>>> "neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
>>>>>>> have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And had Britian and France violated Hollands neutrality, it would
>>>>>> have resulted in quite a debacle...what with being surrounded by
>>>>>> germans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your Adolf was one stupid motherfucker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:00:05 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Basically I would say they out of realty and education. They do indeed make 
>a lot of accusation without engaging their brain or logic. How many times 
>have we seen pictures of civilians killed by the Germans. What are the true 
>facts ? Under the Geneva conventions civilians who engage in shooting on the 
>enemy are not considered Civilians but are classified as Terrorists. Take 
>Klaus Barbie ?? as an example. He did kill terrorists indeed but was charged 
>with killing civilians. I call this circumventing the law an interpretation 
>to get an convictions. I have see many pictures her of what the Germans 
>apparently did. As for the captions below it I would say many of them are 
>ambiguous to create a distortion of the facts. PS the name calling from them 
>I would say is only an act of desperation

The Americans executed partisans in Vietnam, but then everything
Americans do is OK by definition.  LOL

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:7tmm949dmpocarqd2ejhum9st7v7ukrqfi@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>> What promise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>
>>>Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>
>>>How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the
>>>British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> You are quite right, Kurt. There was no choice. Britain and France
>> could not attack Germany without violating the neutrality of Belgium
>> and the Netherlands. The accusations about violating Holland's
>> neutrality are simply sophistry. The British had no problem violating
>> Iran's neutrality during the same conflict, so why get bent out of
>> shape over Germany?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:48:19 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>You mean there was no border between France and Germany, better think twice.

Naturally, but that would be the most difficult path to take. The only
flat, easily traversed land between Germany and France is via the
lowlands (Belgium and the Netherlands)

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:EfmdnSQ3Y5crzgHVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article <03nm94p2b645rq5le1p5gultgpdb88ksck@4ax.com>,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>That is nonsense Joe. Germany was pretty much obliged to control the
>>>channel coast to get advance warning of British bombers and to
>>>discourage British landing attempts. Had Germany respected Holland's
>>>"neutrality", then there is no doubt that Britain and France would
>>>have violated it. There is no other way to get to Germany.
>>
>> To get to Germany from France requires a trip through Holland, Leading
>> Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf? That must come as a distinct shock to
>> the French.
>>
>> You have claimed that "All the Nürnberg documents presented by the
>> allies are copies of a copy and none of the originals have ever been
>> found," In fact, the originals are held in the Yale Law Library.
>>
>>
>> You have claimed that the Jewish death toll must have been under 500,000,
>> but have yet to provide supporting data, or show that scholars' estimates
>> of millions of casualties are deliberate fabrications.
>>
>> You have failed to document your assertion that some "German puppet
>> regime" accepted German responsibility for the Katyn massacre, which
>> is patent nonsense.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning" and "buried in mass graves in and
>> around the city."
>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.
>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?
>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.
>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.
>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.
>>
>> -- 
>> "Fritz is making of himself the Brittany Spears of the
>> revisionist world..." (Bradley Smith of Friedrich Paul
>> Berg, Leading Revisionist Scholars both, on Bradley
>> Smith's Mailing List, Jan. 18, 2008) 
>


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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:50:49 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>The Germans are no back shooters and next to no terrorists. In Germany they 
>were never allowed to have arms at home the exception was when thy did have 
>a hunting license.

The poor jerk "I'll Alway Be Here" is obviously out-to-lunch when it
comes to the history of the allied occupation. The allies regularly
murdered civilians, took hostages in towns and villages, raped people,
and generally behaved like complete louts.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9AF46D75BE73FTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>> news:qpho945406dv1lvhog9d415jnpn4ovmkfg@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:00:05 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Basically I would say they out of realty and education. They do indeed
>>>>make a lot of accusation without engaging their brain or logic. How many
>>>>times have we seen pictures of civilians killed by the Germans. What are
>>>>the true facts ? Under the Geneva conventions civilians who engage in
>>>>shooting on the enemy are not considered Civilians but are classified as
>>>>Terrorists. Take Klaus Barbie ?? as an example. He did kill terrorists
>>>>indeed but was charged with killing civilians. I call this circumventing
>>>>the law an interpretation to get an convictions. I have see many
>>>>pictures her of what the Germans apparently did. As for the captions
>>>>below it I would say many of them are ambiguous to create a distortion
>>>>of the facts. PS the name calling from them I would say is only an act
>>>>of desperation
>>>
>>> The Americans executed partisans in Vietnam, but then everything
>>> Americans do is OK by definition.  LOL
>>
>>
>> But they didn't execute partisans or civilians in germany.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message
>>>>news:7tmm949dmpocarqd2ejhum9st7v7ukrqfi@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:0cd90a2d-d7c2-49a6-81ac-
>> 5e4acab3b2ea@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>.. On Aug 6, 9:33 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>> What promise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This one, which I already posted above, you fucking idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How long did Holland stay neutral. The same as with France he know the
>>>>>>British would be right on Germany front steps.
>>>>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are quite right, Kurt. There was no choice. Britain and France
>>>>> could not attack Germany without violating the neutrality of Belgium
>>>>> and the Netherlands. The accusations about violating Holland's
>>>>> neutrality are simply sophistry. The British had no problem violating
>>>>> Iran's neutrality during the same conflict, so why get bent out of
>>>>> shape over Germany?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.ww2sites.com/?action=jump&page=nlnetherlands
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:42:45 +0300, "halle"  wrote:

>heinrich (heinrich@ruhrgasnet.de) wrote:
>> The management of the Auschwitz death camp museum said Wednesday that
>> it needs millions of euros to maintain the vast site, saying that the
>> ruins of the gas chambers and the wooden barracks that held inmates
>> are under threat.
>
>Let the Russians rebuild everything, again. 
>

Walt Disney pays for its own fable sites, and so should the Russians.



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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:28:55 -0400, "Jgarbuz" 
wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message
>news:JRZmk.46519$_03.7613@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> heinrich (heinrich@ruhrgasnet.de) wrote:
>> > The management of the Auschwitz death camp museum said Wednesday that
>> > it needs millions of euros to maintain the vast site, saying that the
>> > ruins of the gas chambers and the wooden barracks that held inmates
>> > are under threat.
>>
>> Let the Russians rebuild everything, again. <
>
>Why not have the Germans rebuild it again? After all, they know best. THey
>have the experience.

It is a Soviet fable, so the story-tellers should bear the costs of
maintaining the fable. It is not the responsibility of the German
taxpayer.

>
>
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:40 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> ZULU  wrote in news:g7ndoq$q3s$3@aioe.org:
>> 
>> 
>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g79jje$9m2$1@aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g77cjk$dnc$1@aioe.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g726la$ogm$2@aioe.org:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>100 people X 2400BTUs/person /60minutes/hr = 4KBTUs/minute
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>15 minutes would have created 60KBTUs or just under 20KW of heat
>>>>>>>>>>which is 10 times more than your heater.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Show your formula Room's Temp vs time, idiot, it's all I want, no
>>>>>>>>>speculations. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where is the speculation. Can you provide proof that anything in my
>>>>>>>>formula is wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which formula?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>100 people X 2400BTUs/person /60minutes/hr = 4KBTUs/minute
>>>>>
>>>>>And ?
>>>>>Is that what you call a function expressing Room's temperature versus
>>>>>Time? 
>>>>>
>>>>>For instance, In how many minutes can you reach 15ºC starting from -
>> 
>> 10ºC
>> 
>>>>>in a room of 509 m3 of volume ?
>>>>>
>>>>less than 15 minutes...when the bodies are struggling.
>>>
>>>Again speculation, show the formula which suppoerts your speculation.
>>> 
>> I have repeatedly.
>
>Bullshit you didn't give ANY FORMULA
>
>I repeat
>
>Room's T (ºC) = F(time)
>
>GIve F, idiot, that's what is the formula

Zulu, the guy clearly does not know the function of time involved.
Most of his crap is totally devoid of any intelligent content.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:22:01 -0400, Jim 
wrote:

>ZULU  wrote: 
>> Furthermore, give us a *testimony* from a *sonderkommando* or any another convenient 
>> eyewitness which tells about a previous *gas testing* before entering the *gas chambers* 
>> after *killing* people there.
>> 
>The Nazis were typical Germans, they kept extensive and detailed records of 
>it all.
>
>We all know that Nazis are liars,

They were mere amateurs at deception compared to the allies.

> but why would they lie about something like 
>that stuff?


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz museum needs millions of euros
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:15:19 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:b38a9$489c9f25$1893@news.teranews.com...
>>
>> "Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>> news:9fqo94tjbr5op6hbljlqm46pf8ab0vavsb@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:12 +0200, "heinrich" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> >The museum, set up in 1947, receives 10 million zlotys ($5 million)
>> annually

I guess that those most be new zlotys, since the last time I looked at
the exchange rate one could buy 20,000 zlotys for ONE Mark.

>>> >from the Polish government and earns another 10 million zlotys by
>> publishing
>>> >survivor accounts, screening documentaries to visitors and from guide
>> fees.
>>
>>> >Only some 750,000 zlotys ($370,000) per year come from private donations
>>> >from abroad.
>>>
>>> And nothing, presumably, from 'Israel'.<
>>
>> Why should they?  Did they send Palestinians to work and die there? Those
>> who were killing and robbing Jews should pay for the cemetary upkeep.
>> Anyhow, the Poles make money from tourists there.
>
>The Polish yids make money from tourists there, garbageguz.
>
>
>


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 02:18:42 -0700, "Protagonist" 
wrote:

>
>"B. H. Cramer"  wrote in message 
>news:5eydnTzuJKT6fAHVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>> news:b38a9$489c9f25$1893@news.teranews.com...
>>>
>>> "Eli Grubman"  wrote in message
>>> news:9fqo94tjbr5op6hbljlqm46pf8ab0vavsb@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:23:12 +0200, "heinrich" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> >The museum, set up in 1947, receives 10 million zlotys ($5 million)
>>> annually
>>>> >from the Polish government and earns another 10 million zlotys by
>>> publishing
>>>> >survivor accounts, screening documentaries to visitors and from guide
>>> fees.
>>>
>>>> >Only some 750,000 zlotys ($370,000) per year come from private 
>>>> >donations
>>>> >from abroad.
>>>>
>>>> And nothing, presumably, from 'Israel'.<
>>>
>>> Why should they?  Did they send Palestinians to work and die there? Those
>>> who were killing and robbing Jews should pay for the cemetary upkeep.
>>> Anyhow, the Poles make money from tourists there.
>>
>> The Polish yids make money from tourists there, garbageguz.
>
>No one can make money on Jews!!!!
>That's why the Auschwitz museum going bankrupt, Germany stopped paying.

I wish they would, but I'm not sure that the current allied stooges
administering Germany have the guts to do that.

>JS
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>


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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:24:42 +1000, "B. H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:kdidnYp45d86xgHVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:35:16 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>No go back to your kindergarten and get your lollypop.
>>>
>>>The guy is an illiterate clown, which is exactly why I have the silly
>>>bastard on a filter. He is a racist to boot.
>>
>> 96 Statements Demonstrating Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll's
>> strict adherence to the high intellectual standards of Holocaust denial:
>
>Your entire nizkor shite site is nothing but bullshit, faigelah.
>
The last time I looked at the site, that was my impression also. It is
just empty anti-German hate propaganda.


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Subject: Re: Former SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann Michael Schmidt Deported
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:58:24 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Very Interesting McVay  when he is 69 years old now how old was he when he 
>was a member of the SS.

It is that kind of nonsense that finally convinced me that the
holocaust™ was utter crap. If the guy is 69 years of age, then he was
born the year the war started and was six years of age when it ended.
You are quite right to ask what kind of an SS man he could possibly
have been at age three or four.

>
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:Lqadnf3_76JouADVnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@vex.net...
>> Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>
>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>
>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28  -- The Department of Justice
>> announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>> camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>> United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>> United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>> Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>> residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>> that he was legally deportable.
>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>> of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>> department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>> he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>> while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>> SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>> concentration camp in Germany.
>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>> gaining admission to the U.S.
>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>> order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>> by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>> his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>> Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>> national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>> Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>> Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>> atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>> a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>> prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>> European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>> interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>> Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>> To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>> as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>> have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>> currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>> -30-
>> -- 
>> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>
>> -- 
>> "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>> people did hang him after that"
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:13:24 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote in news:95aba8d8-73c3-412f-a8b7-38e1cad35755
>> @b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>> 
>> 
>>>On Aug 9, 1:07 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.
>>>>
>>>> Former Concentration Camp Guard Permanently Leaves U.S.
>>>> To: National Desk, Illinois Correspondent
>>>> Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 202-514-2007
>>>>
>>>>   WASHINGTON, Jan. 28  -- The Department of Justice
>>>>announced today that an admitted SS guard at a Nazi concentration
>>>>camp in Germany in World War II, who earlier was stripped of his
>>>>United States citizenship by the federal government, has left the
>>>>United States and agreed never to return to this country.
>>>>   The department said that Michael Schmidt, 69, of Lincolnwood,
>>>>Ill., a retired janitor, went to Austria, en route to permanent
>>>>residence in Germany, following his admission to federal authorities
>>>>that he was legally deportable.
>>>>   Schmidt left the U.S. after signing an agreement with the Office
>>>>of Special Investigations (OSI) of the Criminal Division of the
>>>>department promising never to return to this country and stating that
>>>>he did not contest OSI allegations that he:
>>>>   1. Participated in the Nazi-sponsored persecution of civilians
>>>>while serving as an armed concentration camp guard and member of the
>>>>SS-Totenkopf Sturmbann (SS Death's Head Battalion) at Sachsenhausen
>>>>concentration camp in Germany.
>>>>   2. Misrepresented his wartime activities for the purpose of
>>>>gaining admission to the U.S.
>>>>   OSI Director Neal M. Sher said Schmidt signed the agreement in
>>>>order to avoid trial in a deportation action instituted against him
>>>>by OSI in December 1991.  In January 1990, Schmidt was stripped of
>>>>his U.S. citizenship by the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
>>>>   The court found that Schmidt assisted in the persecution of
>>>>Sachsenhausen prisoners on the basis of their race, religion, or
>>>>national origin.  The decision was upheld by the U.S. Court of
>>>>Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in January 1991.  The U.S. Supreme
>>>>Court subsequently refused Schmidt's request to review the case.
>>>>   The Sachsenhausen concentration camp was the scene of numerous
>>>>atrocities -- including shootings, hangings, gassings, whippings, and
>>>>a variety of grotesque medical experiments conducted on U.S.
>>>>prisoners of war, Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern
>>>>European nationals and political prisoners.  Of the 200,000 prisoners
>>>>interned at Sachsenhausen, more than 100,000 died.
>>>>   The Schmidt case is a result of OSI's continuing investigation of
>>>>Nazi persecutors residing illegally in the United States, Sher said.
>>>>To date, 44 Nazi persecutors have been stripped of U.S. citizenship
>>>>as a result of OSI's investigations and prosecutions, and 34 persons
>>>>have been removed from the United States.  More than 500 persons
>>>>currently are under OSI investigation, Sher said.
>>>> -30-
>>>>--
>>>>Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario    ndal...@r-node.pci.on.ca
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
>>>>people did hang him after that"
>>>>(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
>>>>The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.niz
>>>
>>>kor.org/
>>>
>>>Yeah and Ike's death camps were also scenes of numerous atrocities you
>>>PC moron.
>> 
>> 
>> Please, when propogating that lie, don't fail to mention the million dead 
>> POWs in the camp.
>> 
>> 
>
>Of course, everybody knows that ANY POW died at Ike's camps.
>There were the DEF who did.

The wonderful Americans changed the designation from POW to DEF for
the express purpose of avoiding Red Cross inspections and other
international oversight.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:20:33 -0400, Suevian 
wrote:

>Joe Bruno wrote:
>> Lots of you deniers claim Ken McVay is lying in his material on the
>> Nizkor website.
>> Just for you, I've got another source for alot of the same
>> information.
>> Try Yale University's Avalon Project. Yale is one of the most
>> prestigious Ivy League Schools.

The illiterate cretin George W. Bush graduated from there, so
obviously the degrees can be purchased as well as earned. Having
George as a graduate pretty much wipes out the academic credentials of
this institution. It is just another corrupt, phony, American sewer.

>> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> From: "Joe Bruno" 
>> Date: 5 Mar 2005 11:42:30 -0800
>> Local: Sat, Mar 5 2005 12:42 pm
>> Subject: The Avalon Project on the Nuremberg Trials
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm#proc
>
>The best source around for debunking Halocaustianity.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:08:58 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>wrote:
>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> > On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>> > wrote:
>> >> halle wrote:
>> >>> I still salute the Führer.
>> >> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>> >> a muddy ditch?
>>
>> >> Why??
>>
>> > I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>
>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>> fucker.
>
>Bizarre?  He brought Germany out of the Versailles treaty gutter.

That, in allied eyes, was his principal crime. The allies would have
involved anybody who managed to revive Germany's fortunes in a ruinous
war. WW2 was launched by Britain and France in an attempt to make
Versailles stick.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:10:46 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>> wrote:
>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>> Why??
>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>> fucker.
>> 
>> Bizarre?  
>
>Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>and enjoyed pissing on his women.

It is extremely unlikely that Hitler was homosexual. The rest of your
diatribe doesn't strike me as very probable either.

>
>That pretty much covers "bizarre" among us normal
>folks. YOUR mileage may vary.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:15:15 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 5:10 pm, Tim Miller 
>> wrote:
>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>>>> Why??
>>>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>>>> fucker.
>>>> Bizarre?  
>>> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>>> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>>
>>> That pretty much covers "bizarre" among us normal
>>> folks. YOUR mileage may vary.
>> 
>> A little spice in a man's life is a good thing.
>
>Like I said, pervert, YOUR mileage may vary.

Well, Timmy, you are the one making the outrageous and unsubstantiated
claims. Please keep your demented fantasies to yourself.


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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:01:23 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 6:55 pm, Tim Miller 
>> wrote:
>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 10, 5:59 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:44 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:15 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:10 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucker.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bizarre?  
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>>>>>>>>>>> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>>>>>>>>>> That pretty much covers "bizarre" among us normal
>>>>>>>>>>> folks. YOUR mileage may vary.
>>>>>>>>>> A little spice in a man's life is a good thing.
>>>>>>>>> Like I said, pervert, YOUR mileage may vary.
>>>>>>>> You are a missionary man.
>>>>>>> You're (obviously) an off-topic idiot.
>>>>>> It's not difficult being off topic when conversing
>>>>> You're not "conversing" sonny. You're avoiding the topic.
>>>>> No one is surprised.
>>>> I'll surprise you on Halloween when I turn into a pumpkin and go 'boo'
>>>> on your ass.
>>> No, cupcake, you won't.
>> 
>> Well what if I dressed up as Casper and said boo!  What that frighten
>> you?
>
>You're kind of an idiot, aren't you?

If you want to see an idiot, Timmy, look in a mirror.

>
>Never mind. That was a rhetorical question.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:40:04 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Tim Miller (replytonewsgroup@invalid.invalid) wrote:
>> pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>>> wrote:
>>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> halle wrote:
>>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>>>>>> Why??
>>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.
>>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>>>> fucker.
>>>
>>> Bizarre?
>>
>> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>
>The jews have wild imaginations. 
>
Timmy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:28:55 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0qZ6_wC8o
>
>Pat Buchanan attempts to shift history with his new book just
>published.
>
>"Churchill Hitler and the Un-necessary War".
>
There is a similar thesis published a number of years earlier by the
American historian David L. Hogan, entitled "Der Unnötige Krieg",
which is essentially the same title but in German.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:05:16 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>Is Buchanan lying in saying he believes the holocaust happened in
>order to not get snubbed and ignored?
>
>He delivers great accurate facts regarding Hitler not wanting war, and
>the truth of political struggles that went on and how Hitler saw them.
>I figure he knows the holocaust didn't happen but it's best not to say
>that so people don't close their ears to him. He's truly trying to
>convert people -revise them.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dW0-JaOsk

Another interesting book on the period leading up to WW2 is "The
Origins of the Second World War" by AJP Taylor. Taylor is no friend of
Germany, but he quite clearly shows who engineered WW2, and it wasn't
Germany.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:08:21 -0400, Suevian 
wrote:

>Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 9:26 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:20:33 -0400, Suevian 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Lots of you deniers claim Ken McVay is lying in his material on the
>>>>>Nizkor website.
>>>>>Just for you, I've got another source for alot of the same
>>>>>information.
>>>>>Try Yale University's Avalon Project. Yale is one of the most
>>>>>prestigious Ivy League Schools.
>>>
>>>The illiterate cretin George W. Bush graduated from there, so
>>>obviously the degrees can be purchased as well as earned. Having
>>>George as a graduate pretty much wipes out the academic credentials of
>>>this institution. It is just another corrupt, phony, American sewer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Really? He is President of the United States 

It shows the essential worthlessness of THAT office. 

>and served two terms as
>> Governor of Texas.

It shows that Texans are mindlessly stupid.




>> Tell us how successful you've been.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0QPswkICg
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>From: "Joe Bruno" 
>>>>>Date: 5 Mar 2005 11:42:30 -0800
>>>>>Local: Sat, Mar 5 2005 12:42 pm
>>>>>Subject: The Avalon Project on the Nuremberg Trials
>>>
>>>>>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm#proc
>>>
>>>>The best source around for debunking Halocaustianity.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>> 
>> 


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:12:17 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Aug 12, 5:02 am, Joe Bruno  wrote:
>
>> Really? He is President of the United States and served two terms as
>> Governor of Texas.
>> Tell us how successful you've been.
>>
>
>On the other hand why do we want to hear the waffling of a  loser nazi
>unemployable wannabe with mental problems?

LOL

Yes, poor George is a psychological and intellectual disaster. For
him, the term "gross incompetence" would be a compliment.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:52:03 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Aug 12, 11:03 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, poor George is a psychological and intellectual disaster. For
>> him, the term "gross incompetence" would be a compliment.
>
>So you are richer, have more power and are better known than the
>current US president?
>Riiiight.

Bush is famous for being the most stupid person ever to hold that
office. That isn't the sort of fame for which most people would
strive.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 12:35 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:40:04 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Tim Miller (replytonewsgr...@invalid.invalid) wrote:
>> >> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> halle wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>> >>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>> >>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>> >>>>>> Why??
>> >>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.
>> >>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>> >>>> fucker.
>>
>> >>> Bizarre?
>>
>> >> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>> >> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>
>> >The jews have wild imaginations.
>>
>> Timmy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
>
>So does McVay.  I've never seen a hater like McVay.  I don't know if
>you've been following but a little while back he stated that the
>German recipients of the bombs(tossed by the allies)got what they
>deserved.  He said that's what they get for starting a war.
>This brings to mind a letter I read published in my newspaper a few
>years ago.

The whole idea of "collective punishment" is so typically asiatic and
totally at variance with European ideas of justice that it makes one
want to puke. It is exactly the concept that the morally bankrupt
Israelis apply to Palestinians. It is statements like the one you
mentioned that has made me doubt the integrity and honesty of the
holocaust™ mob.

>There is sometimes a debate whether or not to call my hometown of
>Kitchener, Berlin.  It used to be called that until 1916.

The Canadian government of the day used a reign of terror in the form
of an occupying garrison in the city to change that.

>  Then they
>renamed it after the war criminal Lord Kitchener.

Lord Kitchener was not a class act, it is true.

>  Anyway there was
>some support for calling our city hall square 'Berlin Square'.
>So this goof writes into the paper protesting the name Berlin, because
>he hates the name, because he flew bombing missions and dropped bombs
>on Berlin.  The anti-German hatred still exists hard.

There are certainly still some pockets of Germanophobia in Canada, and
it is simple-minded hate-mongers like McVay that push it. I guess your
newspaper "buddy" is disappointed because the bombing against Berlin
failed. Despite their best efforts, they were unable to set the city
on fire, since the streets are simply too wide to allow fire to spread
easily, and the buildings are too modern. The normal mortality in
pre-war Berlin was about 200 people per day (Sadly, people do get old
or sick) and that increased to 250 people per day during the years of
the bombing. While that is quite significant (an increase of 25%) it
pales before the mortality of 1000 people per day after the allied
"liberation". Today, the people of Iraq are enjoying an allied
"liberation" with similar results. Everywhere the Americans go, they
bring death, starvation, ruin, and economic devastation with them. The
world is a much worse place because of the American presence on it.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
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>On Aug 11, 12:35 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:40:04 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Tim Miller (replytonewsgr...@invalid.invalid) wrote:
>> >> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Aug 10, 5:04 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> peking...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Aug 10, 4:32 pm, Tim Miller 
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> halle wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I still salute the Führer.
>> >>>>>> The cowardly fuck who shot himself and was burned in
>> >>>>>> a muddy ditch?
>> >>>>>> Why??
>> >>>>> I don't salute Hitler, but the man did possess balls of iron.
>> >>>> In his mouth. He was one bizarre mother (well, actually, cousin)
>> >>>> fucker.
>>
>> >>> Bizarre?
>>
>> >> Yes. Bizarre. He was a homosexual half-jew that fucked his cousin
>> >> and enjoyed pissing on his women.
>>
>> >The jews have wild imaginations.
>>
>> Timmy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
>
>So does McVay.  I've never seen a hater like McVay.  I don't know if
>you've been following but a little while back he stated that the
>German recipients of the bombs(tossed by the allies)got what they
>deserved.  He said that's what they get for starting a war.
>This brings to mind a letter I read published in my newspaper a few
>years ago.
>There is sometimes a debate whether or not to call my hometown of
>Kitchener, Berlin.  It used to be called that until 1916.  Then they
>renamed it after the war criminal Lord Kitchener.  Anyway there was
>some support for calling our city hall square 'Berlin Square'.
>So this goof writes into the paper protesting the name Berlin, because
>he hates the name, because he flew bombing missions and dropped bombs
>on Berlin.  The anti-German hatred still exists hard.

The title of the thread is rather odd, given that new churches were
being built all through the 12 years of NS rule in Germany, whereas
that was definitely NOT the case in allied countries such as the USSR.


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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:51:59 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message 
>news:kJRnk.47907$_03.35655@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Kenneth McVay OBC (kmcvay@shell.vex.net) wrote:
>>> Archive/File: camps/theresienstadt/terezin.002
>>> Last-Modified: 1994/01/25
>>>
>>>   "Some children arrived in Terezin without parents, packed into
>>>   trains manned by Reichsbahn (national railroad) civil servants, who
>>>   processed children as readily as freight. The SS with whom they
>>>   contracted this work was charged only half-fare for children, and
>>>   those under two went free of charge, as usual.<6>
>>>
>>>   Here is how an eyewitness described the arrival of a large
>>>   children's transport:
>>>
>>>      Transports of children from many countries came to
>>>      Theresienstadt.  So on August 24, 1943, 1260 children. They
>>>      were frightened and speechless, many barefoot, all in a
>>>      sorry state and half starved. Insofar as any had
>>>      possessions, they clutched their small suitcases or
>>>      prayerbooks. They were not received into the main camp but
>>>      were immediately separated from the other prisoners. They
>>>      were taken to the West barracks surrounded by barbed wire.
>>>      Police patrolled this children's quarters so as not to
>>>      permit anyone near. From the main camp a group of
>>>      caretakers and a doctor were appointed who from then on
>>>      were not to have anything more to do with the main camp.
>>>      These children had come from Bialystok* and had seen
>>>      everything that Jews could suffer. They were taken
>>>      immeidately in groups to a disinfection batch where they
>>>      made terrible scenes. These children knew of gas chambers
>>>      and would not set foot in the bath area. They screamed
>>>      desperately 'no, no, not gas!' They would not obey the SS
>>>      men. Consequently they were pushed in by force. They cried
>>>      and clung to each other. We who saw this were beside
>>>      outselves but we had been forbidden to speak to them under
>>>      threat of death.... Before their departure from Bialystok
>>>      they were lined up in a place and divided into three
>>>      groups: men, women and children up to age 14. Fathers,
>>>      mothers and older brothers and sisters were then shot
>>>      before their eyes.<7>
>>>
>>>   The fate of this same transport of children is reported by Kraus
>>>   and Kulka, survivors of Auschwitz.
>>>
>>>      After several weeks in Terezin the 1260 children who had
>>>      arrived from Bialystok in August, 1943, could be heard
>>>      singing in the West Barracks of the Terezin camp. Then a
>>>      rumor began to spread that they were being got ready for an
>>>      exchange with children from abroad. Sure enough after six
>>>      weeks, orders came that they were to leave. By now they
>>>      were thoroughly fit. Fifty-three men and women were
>>>      selected to accompany them, all of them required to give a
>>>      written statement that they would not spread any propaganda
>>>      hostile to the Nazis when they were abroad.
>>>
>>>      The inmates of Terezin saw them off with every good wish
>>>      for the future. They were convinced the children would soon
>>>      be at liberty.
>>>
>>>      The convoy left Terezin October 5, 1943. It went to
>>>      Auschwitz, where all the children and all the adults ended
>>>      up in the gas chamber.<8>
>>>
>>>   ...
>>>   Fifty-eight thousand people died in Terezin. Fifteen thousand
>>>   children had passed through the Terezin death funnel. ...one
>>>   hundred.... survived." (Moskovitz, 12-13)
>>>
>>> *  Deportation statistics for the Bialystok district are available
>>>   from the Holocaust archives at oneb.almanac.bc.ca.  To obtain a
>>>   list of relevant deportation files, send the command INDEX REINHARD
>>>   to listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca.
>>>
>>>   Yitzak Arad provides background information:
>>>
>>>   "The Bialystok General District ...  constituted an independent
>>>   administrative district within the German regime in occupied
>>>   Poland...
>>>
>>>   During the first months of the German occupation ...  the Jewish
>>>   population ...  suffered a wave of mass murders....  31,000 Jews,
>>>   mostly men, were shot by the Einsatzgruppen near their homes.  On
>>>   the eve of mass deportations to Treblinka and Auschwitz, in the
>>>   autumn of 1942, there were about 210,000 Jews in the district,
>>>   concentrated in ghettos.  ...
>>>
>>>   In the first half of October 1942, the Reich Security Main Office
>>>   issued an order to local SS authorities in the Bialystok General
>>>   District to liquidate all the ghettos in the district and deport
>>>   the Jews.  But after the intervention of the German army and German
>>>   civilian authorities that employed Jewish labor in war-economy
>>>   enterprises, it was decided that the liquidation of the Bialystok
>>>   ghetto would be postponed.  >>   Polityka Zaglady Zydow", Warszawa, 1961 pp.  457-459>
>>>
>>>   The deportation fo the Jews from the Bialystok district to
>>>   Treblinka and, in part, to Auschwitz commenced after the
>>>   deportation of most of the General Government Jews had been
>>>   completed.  It began in mid-October 1942, and continued until
>>>   mid-February 1943.  ...  At the end of this period, only 30,000
>>>   Jews from the entire General District remained in the Bialystok
>>>   ghetto." (Arad)
>>>
>>> Moskovitz' End Notes:
>>>
>>> <6> Raul Hilberg, "Confronting Moral Implications of the Holocaust,"
>>>    keynote address at the Holocaust Conference, Jewish Federation
>>>    Council, Los Angeles, Sunday, April 9, 1978.
>>> <7> H.G. Adler, 'Theresienstadt, 1941-1945. Das Antlitz einer
>>>    Zwangsgemeinschaft' (Tublingen: Verlag J. Mohr [Paul Siebeck],
>>>    1955).
>>> <8> O. Kraus and E. Kulka, "The Death Factory: Documents on Auschwitz
>>>    1966" (New York: Pergamon Press, 1966), pp. 116-17.
>>>
>>>
>>>                              Work Cited
>>>
>>> Arad, Yitzhak. BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard
>>> Death Camps. Indiana University Press, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7
>>>
>>> Moskovitz, Sarah. Love Despite Hate: Child Survivors of the Holocaust
>>> and Their Adult Lives. New York: Schocken Books, 1983
>>
>> How much do you get paid by the yids every year?
>
>He's very silent about quantum.
>
>I know he had all his computer and networking equipment donated to him by 
>the yids, as I know he was proposed for his OBC by the yids.
>
>Poor old feller has sold his soul to the hebes.
>
>
>>
>> 
The OBC is drastically degraded by McVay and his hate-mongers.


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:15 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>On Aug 11, 3:45 pm, "Jeffrey Hamilton"  wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:2e45298a-16af-42eb-a74b-796c2144e46f@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 11, 6:08 am, "Vaughn Simon" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:3a7a7003-6758-4482-9efb-e6c2b2a91abf@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 11, 5:39 am, "Vaughn Simon" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>> > >If you are too impressionable and too gullible to stand up and say to
>> > >yourself:"
>>
>> > By all means, say it "to yourself" Even fervently move your lips if you
>> > want,
>> > but don't assist a troll in his efforts to pollute the Internet.
>>
>> > Bye
>> > Vaughn
>>
>> He's not a troll. He believes the garbage he spews.
>> The issue is whether you believe it.
>
>Hey man you haven't disproven anything I've said. I'm still waiting
>for someone too.
>
>Can you please show me that the currency value of Nazi Germany was not
>higher and stable than all the other allied countries in 1934, 1935,
>1936, 1937, 1938, 1939? In those years the German Reichsmarq gained
>value, whilst all other countries depreciated severely, and suffered
>mass deficits, depressions set in, mass unemployment, mass chaos,
>whlst Germany was living in prosperity and happy times with no
>unemployment, no poverty, it was happy times!

That is exactly why Germany had to be destroyed. The existence of
Germany was a threat to the money clique in London and on the east
coast of the USA.

>
>>
>> ****Actually he is a troll. A Nazi troll !
>>
>> Get a clue or you can join him too.
>>
>> How's that for poetic justice ?
>>
>>   cheers.....Jeff


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:57 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 3:18 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> Doomsday Cultist  wrote in news:68ba1c23-5ca2-
>> 41f2-b127-1008ae234...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_us/beyond_kosher_1
>>
>> > Slaughterhouse case fuels kosher justice movement
>>
>> > By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer
>>
>> > NEW YORK - Very little goes unexamined in the kosher world.
>> > ADVERTISEMENT
>>
>> > From meat and poultry to the coating on vegetables and the ingredients
>> > in mouthwash, rabbis who determine whether a product meets Jewish
>> > dietary laws scrutinize the most minute details about all things
>> > consumed.
>>
>> > For religiously observant Jews, that concern has rarely extended
>> > beyond the product itself.
>>
>> > But now, allegations of worker abuse at the nation's biggest kosher
>> > slaughterhouse have some Jews demanding that food companies be judged
>> > not just by the purity of their products but by the way their treat
>> > their employees.
>>
>> > "How can you sit at your table and eat a product packaged by a
>> > pregnant woman has been standing on her feet all day?" asked Rabbi
>> > Morris Allen of Minnesota. He is developing a certification program
>> > that aims to protect workers and the environment in the kosher
>> > industry.
>>
>> > Interest in Allen's "hekhsher tzedek," or "certificate of
>> > righteousness," has ballooned since a May 12 immigration raid at
>> > Agriprocessors in Postville, Iowa.
>>
>> > Many Jews are embarrassed and angered by the allegations and, along
>> > with some religious leaders, are rethinking what it means to be
>> > certified kosher.
>>
>> > The "hekhsher tzedek" would be awarded to companies that pay fair
>> > wages, ensure workplace safety, follow government environmental rules
>> > and treat animals humanely, among other criteria.
>>
>> > The program, which could begin as soon as next year, would be separate
>> > from the traditional certification process that measures compliance
>> > with Jewish dietary law. A company that fails to obtain a "hekhsher
>> > tzedek" could still get its food certified as kosher.
>>
>> > The majority of kosher consumers and certifiers are Orthodox, and they
>> > drive the multibillion-dollar U.S. market. Kosher meat is more
>> > expensive than standard food, and since large families are the norm
>> > among the Orthodox, some fear any changes could increase the cost.
>>
>> > Rabbi Menachem Genack, chief kosher executive of the Orthodox Union,
>> > the largest kosher certifier in the U.S., called Allen's idea
>> > unreasonable and unenforceable. He said the Orthodox Union relies on
>> > federal and state agencies — "who have both the expertise and
>> > authority" — to monitor plant conditions.
>>
>> > Yet, pressure for change is coming from more than just Conservative
>> > Jewish leaders.
>>
>> > Within the Orthodox community, there are signs that Jews in their 20s
>> > and 30s are gaining interest in what the Torah says about social
>> > justice.
>>
>> > Last year, young Orthodox Jews in New York formed Uri L'Tzedek, an
>> > advocacy group on issues such as immigration and labor rights. Leaders
>> > of the group, whose name means Awaken to Justice, collected about
>> > 2,000 signatures in support of a boycott of Agriprocessors.
>>
>> > They suspended the action when the owners hired a former federal
>> > prosecutor as a compliance officer, but are still going ahead with a
>> > fact-finding tour of the plant this week, where they will also meet
>> > with immigrant workers.
>>
>> > "The younger generations of modern Orthodox Jews are seeking new
>> > meaning to their religious expression, going beyond survival and anti-
>> > assimilation and just text study," said Shmuly Yanklowitz, a
>> > rabbinical student and co-founder of Uri L'Tzedek. "There have been
>> > countless individuals who have felt estranged from the Orthodox
>> > community who have been in touch with us. We're getting hundreds of e-
>> > mails saying that this has filled a gap."
>>
>> > Despite sharing the ideals of the "hekhsher tzedek," Yanklowitz said
>> > his group does not support the proposal. He said any systemwide change
>> > in kosher production will have to come from within the Orthodox world
>> > because of its "overwhelming commitment" to following Jewish dietary
>> > law and the buying power that brings.
>>
>> Good, that ought to go a long way towards forcing christians to start
>> considering worker and animal welfare.
>>
>I don't consider myself a Christian, because I don't know what to
>believe concerning origins of the Universe, evolution etc.  But I was
>raised a Lutheran and learned some good values; i.e. live and let live
>and I do try to abide by by that simple statement.  So if a Christian
>truly practices Christianity, then it's a good thing.  The problem is
>that there are people who call themselves Christians who are anything
>but.

That is certainly the truth and an understatement!

>
>> > ___
>>
>> > On the Net:
>>
>> > Orthodox Union:http://www.ou.org
>>
>> > Hekhsher Tzedek:http://hekhshertzedek.org
>>
>> > Uri L'Tzedek:http://uriltzedek.webnode.com
>>
>> > --
>> > +
>>
>> > Pucker your lips for the Apocalypse!
>>
>> > Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future
>>
>> >http://music.download.com/johnnyasia
>>
>> >http://johnnyasia.net
>>
>> > +
>>
>>


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 2:35 pm, "."  wrote:
>> Reopening Lithuania's old wounds
>>
>> By Tim Whewell
>> BBC Radio 4's Crossing Continents
>>
>> A judicial inquiry into the wartime activities of Jewish anti-Nazi
>> resistance fighters in Lithuania has led to accusations that the small
>> Baltic state is trying to distort the history of World War II.
>>
>> The row follows investigations by the country's prosecutor into
>> whether the former partisans - Holocaust survivors now in their 80s -
>> themselves committed war crimes.
>>
>
>Partisans fought out of uniform.  They should be executed.

Under the various conventions, partisans, and other irregulars, are
the same of pirates, bandits, and brigands. Summary execution is the
recommendation.

>
>> Fania Brantsovskaya was questioned about a 1944 massacre
>> Israel has denounced the inquiry as scandalous and refused to allow
>> one of the main potential witnesses to be questioned. Britain's
>> foremost World War II historian, Sir Martin Gilbert, told the BBC he
>> was "deeply shocked" by the investigation, which he called "perverse".
>>
>> The Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which works to track down Nazi war
>> criminals, claims it is part of an attempt to establish a "false
>> symmetry" between atrocities committed against Jews and atrocities
>> allegedly committed by them.
>>
>> And the dispute has now led to a tense meeting between the Lithuanian
>> prime minister Gediminas Kirkilas and American Jewish leaders.
>>
>> At least four former fighters have now been questioned or are being
>> sought for questioning. All deny any wrongdoing, and so far the main
>> evidence appears to be memoirs written by former partisans themselves.
>>
>> The row began to develop last September when the Lithuanian prosecutor
>> for war-crimes and crimes against humanity asked to talk to Israeli
>> historian Yitzhak Arad about his experiences as a 16-year-old boy,
>> after he had escaped from a Nazi-run ghetto in Lithuania and joined
>> the Soviet-led resistance force in the forest.
>>
>> The case has no basis. It is trying to falsify events. And I don't
>> want to be part of this play
>>
>> He was not informed what provoked the inquiry, but the prosecutor,
>> Rimvydas Valentukevicius, told the BBC he was investigating the
>> killing of at least one civilian in a raid by partisans on Girdenai, a
>> village in eastern Lithuania in 1944.
>>
>> In his book, The Partisan, first published in English in 1979, Dr Arad
>> described how his brigade was ordered to mount a "punitive action"
>> against villagers who, he wrote, were armed by the Germans and had
>> shot partisans attempting to requisition food.
>>
>> Dr Arad described how houses were burned. But he denies involvement in
>> the killing of any civilians.
>>
>> He has said he is willing to be interviewed by Lithuanian journalists,
>> but not by the police. "I don't trust them," he said. "The case has no
>> basis. It is trying to falsify events. And I don't want to be part of
>> this play."
>>
>> Rewriting history?
>>
>> Dr Arad, like other former partisans, insists that joining the Soviet-
>> led resistance force was effectively his only means of staying alive
>> in Nazi-occupied Lithuania.
>>
>> If we deny and lie about what occurred, we only risk of repeating the
>> same unspeakable horrors
>>
>> Historians say that about 95% of the country's Jews - 200,000 people -
>> were killed by the Germans and their Lithuanian collaborators. This is
>> probably the highest proportion in Europe.
>>
>> Under Lithuanian law, any citizen can initiate an inquiry into wartime
>> crimes, and Dr Arad believes the inquiry into his record is revenge
>> for expert evidence he gave at the trial in the United States of a
>> former Lithuanian Nazi collaborator accused of involvement in the
>> killing of Jews.
>>
>> "I think they use my case as a general intention to rewrite history,"
>> he said, "to show that Jews are not the only victims."
>>
>> Lithuania's deputy foreign minister Jaroslavas Neverovicas told the
>> BBC that Dr Arad was wanted as a witness, not a suspect.
>>
>> But the case has undone painstaking work by the government a few years
>> ago to establish an international commission of historians tasked with
>> examining the crimes of both the Nazi and Soviet regimes in Lithuania,
>> and attempting to draw up a definitive version of highly controversial
>> events.
>>
>> One aim was to reconcile differing assessments, inside and outside
>> Lithuania, of the extent of Lithuanian involvement in the Holocaust.
>>
>> Sabotage
>>
>> Dr Arad, seen as a key Israeli scholar, was originally persuaded to
>> join the Commission only after the personal intervention of
>> Lithuania's president. But he has now withdrawn, at least until the
>> case is dropped, as has Britain's representative, Sir Martin Gilbert.
>>
>> "The Commission was one of the best things that happened in post-
>> Soviet Lithuania," the deputy foreign minister, Mr Neverovicas, said.
>> "It's unfortunate that such an episode appeared. But when the
>> accusation happened, our prosecutor's office could not sit still, it
>> had to investigate."
>>
>> I think what is happening in Lithuania is far more serious than the
>> phenomenon of Holocaust denial which has never penetrated mainstream
>> European society
>>
>> The government-appointed head of the commission, however, believes
>> that its work has been deliberately sabotaged by nationalist forces
>> who want to lead Lithuania away from the European mainstream.
>>
>> Conservative member of parliament Emmanuelis Zingeris, Lithuania's
>> leading Jewish politician, who was one of those at the forefront of
>> the country's campaign to break away from the Soviet Union in the late
>> 1980s, said:
>>
>> "Someone has tried to dismantle this carefully-built bridge between
>> Lithuania, Israel, America and world historical opinion. And it's a
>> real tragedy.. a highly counter-productive move against Lithuanian
>> liberal values, against all our shared values with NATO and EU
>> countries."
>>
>> For the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, the world's main Nazi-hunting
>> organisation, the investigation of Jewish partisans is part of a wider
>> attempt by Lithuania to improve its international image by rewriting
>> the history of World War II.
>>
>> "The participation of so many Lithuanian volunteers in the mass murder
>> of Jews is a very sensitive subject," says Efraim Zuroff of the
>> centre's Jerusalem office. "However if it emerges that there were Jews
>> who committed crimes against Lithuanians, that would blunt the shame
>> that Lithuanians feel in response to their World War II crimes."
>>
>> "The Holocaust obfuscation, distortion and deflection going on in
>> Lithuania should be a very serious cause of concern in the EU and
>> Nato," he added.
>>
>> "I think what is happening in Lithuania and elsewhere throughout
>> Eastern Europe is far more serious than the phenomenon of Holocaust
>> denial which has never penetrated mainstream European society."
>>
>> Dr Zuroff describes independent Lithuania's record in prosecuting Nazi
>> war criminals as a "miserable failure". Since 1991, it has prosecuted
>> three Nazi collaborators - and 24 people accused of crimes against
>> humanity or genocide under the Soviet regime.
>>
>> Totalitarian
>>
>> The country has its own judicial definition of the word "genocide",
>> wider than that used by the United Nations.
>>
>> It includes attempts to wipe out particular social as well as ethnic
>> groups, and can therefore potentially be used to prosecute Soviet
>> crimes as well as Nazi ones.
>>
>> Former Soviet political prisoners mark the 1941 mass deportation of
>> Lithuanians to Siberia
>> Many non-Jewish Lithuanians argue they were subject to a form of
>> genocide because the Soviet Union attempted to destroy the nation's
>> intellectual elite through mass deportations to Siberia, the fight
>> against anti-Soviet guerrillas, and other forms of persecution.
>>
>> As for Nazi collaborators, the government says most were prosecuted in
>> Soviet times, whereas the task of finding Soviet collaborators could
>> only begin after independence.
>>
>> Deputy foreign minister Neverovicas says Lithuania is being even-
>> handed in investigating both totalitarian regimes and is right to be
>> spearheading efforts in the European Parliament to make Western
>> Europeans more aware of Soviet crimes.
>>
>> But his government is clearly embarrassed by the still-widening
>> investigation of the partisans.
>>
>> This spring prosecutors questioned 86-year-old Fania Brantsovskaya,
>> who still lives in Lithuania, about the role her partisan brigade
>> played in an alleged massacre of 38 civilians in the village of
>> Kaniukai in south-eastern Lithuania in January 1944.
>>
>> Mrs Brantsovskaya insists she was not present during the raid and has
>> now also been told that she is not a suspect.
>>
>> Nevertheless the prime minister Mr Kirkilas was so concerned about the
>> possible impact of the case on Lithuania's relations with America's
>> influential Jewish community that he invited her to tea before his
>> trip to New York.
>>
>> Lithuania insists, however, that the judiciary works independently of
>> the government, and the inquiry continues.
>>
>> Crossing Continents: The battle for memory was broadcast on BBC Radio
>> 4 on Thursday, 17 July at 1102 BST.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7508375.stm


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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT), pekingcat@hushmail.com
wrote:

>A headline taken from Nizkor's main page:
>
>"The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make
>National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."
>
>Yeah whatever.  The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to get at
>the truth and engage in fruitful debate.  That is impossible these
>days what with the hate that revisionists have to put up with.  I'm no
>revisionist; frankly I don't know what happened, but I'm not inclined
>to believe the state/media just because they say it's so.  I'd like to
>hear both sides, involved in a decent rule abiding debate.  But the
>haters will not allow that to happen.  They need to stifle debate.
>Why is that?
>We have an award winning hater on this NG who actually hates people
>that had bombs dropped on them and says that 'they deserved it'.  That
>tells me a lot about the people that gave him his medal.

The Limeys did put up a statue in honour of "Butcher Harris" who
killed at least half a million children under 14. That would be the
same as German authorities putting up a statue in honour of Eichmann. 

Perhaps they gave the OBC to McVay in honour of similar dubious
"achievements" as Harris and Eichmann?



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Subject: Re: The lies at Nizkor
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:27:51 -0700 (PDT), george 
wrote:

>On Aug 13, 12:38 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>
>> The Limeys did put up a statue in honour of "Butcher Harris" who
>> killed at least half a million children under 14. That would be the
>> same as German authorities putting up a statue in honour of Eichmann.
>
>Oh?
>He flew all those bombers?
>Must have been a busy lad in the 'thousand bomber raids' eh
>
>Since 1945 the Germans haven't attacked any-one else so they've
>finally learnt how to live alongside the neighbours.

One could say the same thing about the Brits. They have been
dramatically more militaristic than the Germans have ever been.

The one good thing that came about from WW2 was the destruction of the
British and French empires.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:07 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Israel Is The Most Hated Entity
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:25:11 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 12, 6:38 pm, 4PeaceMirelle  wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 1:25 pm, mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>> Zionist Forgery.
>> Internet identity theft.
>>
>> Israel is the world's most hated entity
>> The punishment fits the crime
>> Zionists have decimated Jewish identity
>> Sixty years of Ethnic Cleansing is a long time
>> The world now views Israel with utter enmity
>> The punishment fits the crime
>>
>> http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/israel-is-the-most-hated-enity/
>>
>> Mirelle
>
>Your post above is wrong, because you think like a fascist. 

Israelis are indistinguishable from fascists. 



> The truth
>is there are more good people than bad on earth.  The good people love
>Israel and the Jews, the bad people hate us.  The weak self-centered
>criminals hate the Jews but the good peolle that love God and fear Him
>love the Jews.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:10:16 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Suevian"  wrote in message 
>news:jaidna8lprQ-lj7VnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>>>
>>> "Suevian"  wrote in message 
>>> news:roOdnf9ex-20Bz_VnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>
>>>> http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/07/31/germany_s_forbidden_words
>>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, two German scholars, Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf were 
>>>> illegally abducted from the United States and imprisoned for presenting 
>>>> scientific evidence that a phenomenal hoax called the “Jewish Holocaust” 
>>>> had taken place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We can stop here, because you can't even get that part right.
>>>
>>> Neither EZ or GR are "German scholars".    That's just laughable.
>>>
>>
>> Zundel may not class as a "schollar",
>
>No kidding!  And by the way,  the word I quoted only has one l.
>
>> though he has done a lot of interesting and useful work.
>
>Only if you count fiction and Neo-Nazi propaganda "interesting and useful".
>
>It's worth noting that in EZ's "False News" trials in Canada, he failed - 
>twice - to convice juries that he actually beleived that the Holocaust 
>didn't happen as described.

Nonsense, it was the holocaust™ industry that failed to make their
case at the false news trials. Mr. Zundel was acquited.


>
>So there isn't a lot of reason to believe that he does believe it didn't 
>happen, but he sure did make money off the idea.   That's a big part of how 
>he became a millionaire.
>
>> Rudolf is indisputably a scholar of the first order.
>
>Well, guess what, that is indisputably disputed, so your assertion is false.
>
>GR *does* have degrees in chemisty, but this does *not* make him a "scholar 
>of the first order".   He may have been one at one time, but it's been a 
>long time since he walked away from being one.
>
>For one thing, real scholars do not write under false names and then cite 
>those false names,  in an attempt to give an impression of wider support for 
>their own assertions.   This shows a disdain for the peer-review system, 
>just as he showed disdain for the German and US legal systems.   And as he 
>showed towards the Planck Institute.
>
>He isn't associated with any university or institution - the last one fired 
>him for misrepresenting the institution.   He doesn't write for any 
>scholarly journals,  and his material doesn't pass peer review.
>
>And real scholars are generally smarter than GR, who was stupid enough to 
>walk into an INS office a few blocks from the courthouse that had ordered 
>him deported a few weeks earlier, and apply  for a green card.
>
>Apparently he assumed that US Immigration is dumber than he is, and he 
>quickly found this to be an incorrect assumption.
>
>If these guys are your intellectual role models, I suggest you give up now.
>
>HTH
>-pk
>


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:55:37 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:NpydnbaWupgokj7VnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article 
>> <190c2f20-4457-46d8-a340-9fea987a49a1@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>What about Katyn? That really happened, and Soviet Jews tried to blame
>>>it on Germans. The Jews ran Soviet Union. I dont believe it.
>>
>> What about Katyn? By the way, would you please identify these
>> "Soviet Jews" who tried to blame the Germans?
>
>You fucking idiot, mcFey. You know damned well who they were.
>
McVay is just being his usual obnoxious self. His demand that I name
the half million children under 14 killed during the allied terror
bombing is typical of his obstructive style. Who the fuck does the
ignorant jackass think that the allies unloaded their bombs on, other
than women and children? Naturally, women and children make up the
bulk of the victims, since able-bodied males were generally on the
front. The attacks were generally on the densely built up medieval
"old cities", not on industrial targets like the allies like to claim.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:09 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:36d91548-4718-4c3e-9a7b-fc225be45234@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 1:49 pm, "halle"  wrote:
>>
>> >jgarbuz(jgar...@netzero.com) wrote:
>> >> Your precious Jizzrael will be royally fucked when whites regain control
>> >> of
>> >> our governments which you treasonous oven dodgers have subverted.<
>> >I'm sorry for you that your Fuehrer lost, and your superior Aryan race
>> >feels a little downtrodden lately, but the fact is, that it's just a
>> >more equal world now than it was,
>>
>> Bullfuckingshit it's more equal, garbageguz.
>>
>> Were you born mentally retarded and lying or did you have to study for it?<
>
>Sorry, I don't cheat and I don't lie. You just can't handle the
>truth.

LOL

Garbageguz wouldn't recognize truth were it to fall on him.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:36 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:49a327ca-7f93-416a-9a06-54db627268ad@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 2:09 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:36d91548-4718-4c3e-9a7b-fc225be45234@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 1:49 pm, "halle"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >jgarbuz(jgar...@netzero.com) wrote:
>> >> >> Your precious Jizzrael will be royally fucked when whites regain
>> >> >> control
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> our governments which you treasonous oven dodgers have subverted.<
>> >> >I'm sorry for you that your Fuehrer lost, and your superior Aryan race
>> >> >feels a little downtrodden lately, but the fact is, that it's just a
>> >> >more equal world now than it was,
>>
>> >> Bullfuckingshit it's more equal, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> Were you born mentally retarded and lying or did you have to study for
>> >> it?<
>>
>> > Sorry, I don't cheat and I don't lie.
>>
>> Of course you do. You're a yid. It's genetic.
>>
>> >You just can't handle the truth.
>>
>> It's only the truth I'm interested in, garbageguz, hence my disaffection for
>> you stinky yids.<
>
>Yeah, I bet you get your "honest truth" from your Islamofascist
>friends.

There is no such critter as an "Islamofascist". That is simple-minded
Bush-speak.

> But then, you Nazis will deal with them after you think you
>can get rid of us.

None of the people participating on this newsgroup on either side of
the holocaust™ question are Nazis. You are simply devoid of rational
arguments and have resorted to name-calling as a substitute for
intelligent discussion.

>It's not going to happen, but I guess when you're
>not sucking renegade jew cock in Israel, there's plenty of Arab cock
>for you to suck on in Gaza and the West Bank. But those too are mostly
>circumcised so I'm sure you're always eager to get back to your
>uncircumcised gentile cock ASAP.

Yawn.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:08:06 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>> "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote in message
>
>
>>> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>>
>>> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>
>>You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>
>No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to 
>read, you fuckwit.
>
>
Neo-Israel does not speak for the world's Jews, and it never has. 


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>> read, you fuckwit.<
>
>The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>same.

That is complete nonsense. Israel endangers all the Jewish people on
the planet with its reckless militarism and general criminality. I
have no problem with the Jewish people who live down the street, but I
certainly have a major problem with Israel and its genocidal policies.

> The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.

That is a non sequitur. One idea does not follow from the other.
Israel does not produce a safe environment for Jews within Israel, let
alone in other countries around the world.

>With an Israel, Jews can fight back.

This is just your silly fantasy, not reality. Israel is a
postage-stamp kingdom of 20,000 km² without any world significance,
nuclear weapons or no.

> That bothers you and your
>Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.

Neo-Israel embodies the principles of fascism much better than do any
Islamic countries. Israel is an anachronism that does not belong in
the 21st century.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:42:27 -0700 (PDT), DoD 
wrote:

>On Aug 14, 1:17 am, jgarbuz  wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> > >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> > >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> > >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> > >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> > No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>> > read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>
>Why do you play with that fag?

I see that you share homophobia with the Nazis of old, DoD. You differ
only in the targets of your bigotry.



> Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>about is to
>get a negative reply from you.... Your knowledge would be useful so
>much better
>elsewhere... And I know that you are not about giving up a fight, but
>this fucking
>prick isn't even picking one...All it is doing is kicking a few bits
>of sand up in the
>air and just hoping someone will bite. That dick is just a gnat...
>Around these parts
>we call fuckheads like him pecker gnats. Those little bugs that fly
>around and bother
>you when you are trying to enjoy an outdoor event...


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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 8:43 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1b9e02c2-23bb-46e9-86b4-b701aa962480@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 3:48 am, Patriot  wrote:
>> >> DoD wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 14, 1:17 am,jgarbuz wrote:
>> >> >> On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>> >> >>>>> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>> >> >>>>> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>>
>> >> >>>> You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?<
>>
>> >> >>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz.
>> >> >>> Learn to
>> >> >>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >> >> The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >> >> same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> >> >> With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> >> >> Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> >> > Why do you play with that fag? Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>> >> > about is to
>> >> > get a negative reply from you.... Your knowledge would be useful so
>> >> > much better
>> >> > elsewhere... <
>>
>> > Where would my knowledge be more useful? To the guy (Patriot) who
>> > posted this concern, I do this - and have been doing those for well
>> > over a decade - debating with these mostly same antisemites, because
>> > SOMEBODY HAS to do it! And if I and Debby and DoD don't, who will?
>>
>> Three of you - nearly 7 billion of us. How do you see your effectiveness,
>> garbageguz?<
>
>Pretty good.  SEven billion still haven't wiped out 7 million after
>generations of trying.

They didn't try. If your claim of an official German government scheme
to annihilate Jews were correct, then we wouldn't be having this
conversation because there would be no Jews.


> It's like a dam; ya gotta plug the dike.  It's
>quality, not quantity, that prevails.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 9:17 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:d5632807-0a06-41a6-b5e4-296ac2b497d4@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 8:43 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1b9e02c2-23bb-46e9-86b4-b701aa962480@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 14, 3:48 am, Patriot  wrote:
>> >> >> DoD wrote:
>> >> >> > On Aug 14, 1:17 am,jgarbuz wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>> >> >> >>>>> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>>
>> >> >> >>>> You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?<
>>
>> >> >> >>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz.
>> >> >> >>> Learn to
>> >> >> >>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >> >> >> The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >> >> >> same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> >> >> >> With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> >> >> >> Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> >> >> > Why do you play with that fag? Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>> >> >> > about is to
>> >> >> > get a negative reply from you.... Your knowledge would be useful so
>> >> >> > much better
>> >> >> > elsewhere... <
>>
>> >> > Where would my knowledge be more useful? To the guy (Patriot) who
>> >> > posted this concern, I do this - and have been doing those for well
>> >> > over a decade - debating with these mostly same antisemites, because
>> >> > SOMEBODY HAS to do it! And if I and Debby and DoD don't, who will?
>>
>> >> Three of you - nearly 7 billion of us. How do you see your effectiveness,
>> >> garbageguz?<
>>
>> > Pretty good.  SEven billion still haven't wiped out 7 million after
>> > generations of trying.
>>
>> It's never been tried, lying old turd.<
>
>Ask your father how many Jews he killed. I'm sure he told you long
>ago.

All the Jews my father knew in 1930 were back in Germany by 1948.
Miraculously, his sample of about three dozen all escaped the vaunted
holocaust™. All I've heard here from you or from hate-mongers like
McVay is warmed over WW1 propaganda. It was all disproven the first
time, and it isn't too fucking likely to be true the second time.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:46:13 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
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>On Aug 14, 6:41 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:6e8e7433-1b0e-434f-9963-54c002b91883@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 14, 1:17 am,jgarbuz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> > > >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> > > >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> > > >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> > > >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> > > No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn
>> > > to
>> > > read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> > The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> > same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> > With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> > Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>> >Why do you play with that fag? Hardly anybody else does. All he is
>> >about is to
>> >get a negative reply from you....
>>
>> The reason garbageguz receives negative replies, doodoodumbkunt, is simply
>> due to the fact I do truth, and he does lies.<
>
>You "do" the same "truth" found  in  your Fuehrer's Mein Kampf and in
>your Islamofascists' Koran.

The Islamic  religious fables are not any less significant than yours.
Islam is rooted in Judaism, and its blood-thirsty excesses are also
rooted in Judaism, the religion that glorifies genocide. All you are
doing is showing rather clearly that you are a simple-minded bigot.

>
>>
>> >Your knowledge would be useful so
>> >much better
>> >elsewhere...
>>
>> What fucking knowledge?  All he's got are yid myths, fables and outright
>> lies, you traitorous little prick.<
>
>All you got are 1001 Arabian lies and your dead defeated Fuehrer's
>testament.
>
>
>
>>
>> >And I know that you are not about giving up a fight, but
>> >this fucking
>> >prick isn't even picking one...
>>
>> Dead right. I simply report truth and point out yid lies, you traitorous
>> little prick.<
>
>You're a droll Nazi troll. That's as succinctly as I can sum you up.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:44:08 -0400, Eli Grubman
 wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>>wrote:
>>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>>
>>> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>>> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>>
>>> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>>> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>>
>>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>>The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>>same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>>With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>>Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>
>So what's going to happen to you bastards when 'Israel' ceases to
>exist?

Nothing will happen to the Jews in Canada, for example, if Israel
ceases to exist. One status does not depend on the other.

>
>Eli


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:39 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:fdc804f1-59a9-47f3-b7ef-c2661537e4fc@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> >> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn
>> >> to
>> >> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> > The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> > same.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Very few jews can trace their roots back to what is now known as israel.<
>
>
>That's not what science says. I grant you that perhaps up to 50% of
>present day Jews are not genetically related to the Israelites of
>2000+ years ago, but the fact that at least 50% are after 2000 years
>of exile is quite amazing.

That still doesn't justify their theft of a "homeland" in the Middle
East.

>
>>
>> The rest of you turds are European with NO connection to the ME whatsoever.<
>
>You're chock full of Turd DNA. You're genetically related to all the
>shit in the world.
>
>> >The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> <
>> What fucking holocaust?<
>
>You prove my point.
>
>> > With an Israel, Jews can fight back.
>>
>> Not terribly well. A couple thousand rag-tag, part time militia saw to that
>> in 2006.<
>
>The JEwish army still did better than your SS did against a few
>thousand barely armed Jews in Warsaw.  The fact is, that Hezbollah
>were well trained and very well armed by the Iranians, and even had
>Chinese missiles that even nearly sank an  Israeli boat. SHit, if the
>Jews in Warsaw had that kind training and arms, they probably could
>have fought your SS back to Berlin.
>
>> >That bothers you and your
>> > Islamofascist colleagues.
>>
>> Nope. What bothers me is the institutionalized lying, brutality and ongoing
>> terrorism perpetrated by the yids in Ersatz israel, garbageguz.<
>
>Problem was, we weren't brutal enough, to let 700,000 ragheads escape
>only to breed like vermin and fight us again and again.  Should have
>gassed them all back in '48.  We didn't learn our lessons from our
>German masters well enough. Damn Jewish bleeding hearts.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:11:13 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>
>
>>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>
>>It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>>You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>>here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>>bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>>antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>>so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>
>Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>
>Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and 
>kiss their arses goodbye.
>
>
The Israelis might be able to launch a few nukes in the direction of
the Russian Federation, but the response will be very rapid and
spectacular. Russia is not that vulnerable to nuclear attack since the
bulk of its population is still rural rather than concentrated in a
few large towns. Israel, by contrast, is extremely vulnerable to
nuclear devastation, not the least because it occupies only 20,000 km²
on the ground, whereas the Russian Federation is more than 20 Million
km², occupying about 15% of the earth's surface.

It would only take two or three of Russia's hydrogen bombs (they have
THOUSANDS) to turn all of Israel into fused glass. The Zionist project
would come to an abrupt end after rather less than a century.



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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:23:15 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:11 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>>
>> >> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>> >It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>> >You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>> >here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>> >bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>> >antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>> >so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>>
>> Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>
>> Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and
>> kiss their arses goodbye.<
>
>At least it would be quick and not like the Holocaust. I'd launch and
>not give a fuck about the consequences. You only live once, so take
>down the enemy with you, is what I say.

You won't take down the Russian Federation. If Germany with its
considerable resources couldn't do it, then neither will some joke of
a mini-state in the Middle East called Israel. Even in the unlikely
event that you succeed in taking out Moscow and Petersburg, you still
will not survive the interaction. Russia has lost twenty million
people in wars before, and it hasn't disintegrated. Russia will
survive but Israel will not.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 9:16 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:19fc94eb-4232-4bcf-946d-b1c2bccc564c@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 6:43 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:0bc9f932-a7c8-492b-9695-8ada09ac476a@v57g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 14, 2:15 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:755383b8-9bbe-44a7-9518-9c098609d492@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> On Aug 13, 3:23 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> BBWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>
>> >> >> >> The yids were fucked until Uncle Samstein came to their rescue in
>> >> >> >> '73,
>> >> >> >> dickhead.,
>> >> >> >Bullshit.
>>
>> >> >> Nope. Absolute fact, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> >> The yids threatened to use nukes if Uncle Samstein did not provide all
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> needed and wanted to fight the Arabs. Them's the facts, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> >> >First of all, the US airlifts didn't begin till around a
>> >> >> >week after the Soviet resupply airlifts began to Egypt.
>> >> >> >Second, despite the hysteria and despair that first struck the
>> >> >> >Israeli
>> >> >> >High Command, Sharon saved the day and was able to surround and
>> >> >> >defeat
>> >> >> >the Egyptians, and in fact, as it turned out in the end, Israel had
>> >> >> >just about enough to do the job without the additional US supplies.
>>
>> >> >> What a crock. Where do you dredge this shit up from, garbageguz.
>>
>> >> >> The yids were on the bones of their arses.<
>>
>> >> > Well,it's debatable.
>>
>> >> You still haven't got it have you, garbageguz. This is NOT a debate.
>>
>> >> Do you understand?<
>>
>> > Yes, it's a Nazi harangue on your part. I'm just one of those few
>> > uppity Jews that won't play sonderkommando for you. You've become too
>> > used to dealing with renegade "Jews" who pay you to suck them off.
>>
>> Nope. You're a whinging, lying, bitter old has been, who has nothing left
>> but whinging, lying and being bitter.<
>
>You got nothing, nuthin', nada, gar nicht. All you have left is your
>father's stories from the camps he used to lovingly kill Jews at. You
>just want to follow in his footsteps, and we're making it hard for
>you.
>Tough. As I advise you all the time, follow your Fuehrer...

LOL

Give it a fucking rest, garbageguz. You're batting zero.


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:47:13 +1000, The_Endeavor
 wrote:

>
>There is no concept in Judaism for racism. It does not exist.

The whole concept of "God's chosen people" is racism. All racists see
their own group as superior to others, and that fits the ancient
Hebrews perfectly.

>
>
>> 
>> "V"  wrote in message 
>> news:EqSdnSn8z8jEJT7VnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0aoQa1vuU&feature=related
>> >
>> >
>> The shortest answer is that racist Jews do bad things to human beings.  It's 
>> normal, natural, as well as understandable for any human being to hate the 
>> racist Jews who do bad things to him/her.  It's also justified, legitimate, 
>> and proper for human beings to seek revenge against the racist Jews. 
>> 
>


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:07 -0700 (PDT), rootless cosmopolitan
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 9:31 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>
>> > By Anneliese Fikentscher and Andreas Neumann
>> > Translation to English: Erik Appleby
>>
>> > [...]
>>
>> > Does Iran's President wants Israel wiped off the map?
>
>Yes, he does.
>
>Too bad for all the ones who like to defend the anti-semitic regime in
>Iran by saying the allegations against Ahmadinejad's are just
>inventions of evil "Zionists" and "US-imperialists". Ahmadinejad's
>threats and announcements that Israel will be wiped off the map or
>annihilated can be read directly at the source, e.g.:
>
>http://www.president.ir/en/print.php?ArtID=10114
>http://www.president.ir/en/print.php?ArtID=9722
>
>rc
That isn't what he said and it isn't what he meant. It IS possible to
eliminate the Jewish State (i.e. Jews having the power of life and
death over everybody else) without wiping out the Jewish inhabitants.

What was meant was that the "Jewish state" should be converted into an
ordinary state where one ethnic group does not have the power of life
or death over everybody else. I have no problem with Presbyterians,
for example, but I would strongly resist having my area turned into a
"Presbyterian state" where Presbyterians now had the power of life and
death over me and over my family. I would resist such a development
with armed force if needed, just as the Palestians are doing with a
"Jewish state".


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:12 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: VIDEO: For the six millionth time, the holocaust gas chamber  story is just war propaganda
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:34:44 -0400
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:16:16 -0700 (PDT), ex_liberal_voter
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 6:04 pm, St Georges Day April 23rd
> wrote:
>> The Alternative Tour of Auschwitz: An Independent Investigation of the
>> Holocaust:
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5827739973918446637&hl=en
>>
>> www.adelaideinstitute.orgwww.ihr.org
>
>Sieg Heil!

LOL

You're living in the wrong century.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:06 GMT, "HD"  wrote:

>
>"."  wrote in message 
>news:df213a70-4e7f-4597-abd7-f36332c5c960@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> 'Holocaust': The Means by Which the Richest Group in the World
>> Contrives to Cow and Milk the Rest of the Us in the Guise of Victims
>> who are Persecuted and Due Eternal Restitution.
>>
>> Reading through a thousand blog reactions to Duke v Blitzer on CNN, a
>> generalization crystallizes. People confuse being told something six
>> million times with knowing something. They are not the same. The
>> average man 'knows' the Holocaust exists because:
>>
>> 1) everybody uses the term;
>> 2) he has seen photos of stacked bodies;
>> 3) he has read Anne Frank's book;
>> 4) authorities agree that questioning any of this is 'hate.'
>>
>> In other words, the average man believes in the Holocaust for no
>> logical reason, but out ofsimple mammalian conformity.
>>
>> 'Holocaust' is a loaded, dishonest term. You can't debate with
>> undefined terms without making a joke of yourself, but the average man
>> does not realize this. It is the part of public school, reinforced by
>> mass media, to disable his thinking so that he's worse positioned to
>> defend himself because he can't understand how he is manipulated to
>> accept the illogical. Debate in the mass media of a democracy is
>> nothing but the shuffling of loaded terms.
>>
>> 'Holocaust' is no ordinary noun. Rather, it is a loaded gun leveled at
>> the head of the West and the rest. Give them their money and their
>> pride of place or get your head and reputation blown off. You will
>> notice that never, ever does debate in the captive media condescend to
>> deconstruct the Zionist Privilege embodied in and sanctified by the
>> designer label 'Holocaust.' Worship the Zionists and submit to their
>> demands - that is what the term Holocaust means.
>>
>> A demand for special privilege protected by a shell of pseudo-history;
>> that is an objective description of the term. The heart of the
>> 'Holocaust,' taking at face value the term's pretension to historical
>> designation, is the claim that six million Jews were murdered by Nazi
>> Germany, most of them by gassing. The evidence for the gassing is
>> never discussed. Photos of crematories and bodies stacked like cord
>> wood are shown. No context or explanation of the reason for showing
>> them is given. The connection is to be assumed. But never is any
>> ordinary evidence, let alone proof, of the gassing allegation
>> advanced. That Jews were gassed is treated as though it were already
>> proved and therefore unquestionable, save by the depraved. Thus, the
>> practical job of the media and the well intentioned everyman is to
>> smear and ostracize anybody who argues against settled truth. We all
>> know that Jews were gassed, and that those who say otherwise are
>> deniers driven by hate. But it ain't so just because "everybody knows"
>> it is.
>>
>> We are told repeatedly that the 'Holocaust' is both the worst thing
>> that ever happened and the best documented thing in human history. We
>> are to take these assertions on authority, since no genuine debate is
>> allowed.
>>
>> There are men who can prove the 'Holocaust' is a Big Lie
>
>
>You can find
>> them in jail. Their imprisonment is scarcely mentioned in the mass
>> media. Their imprisonment goes unlamented by the mass columnists. To
>> discuss these men and their work would endanger the Propa-sphere the
>> media construct. They must disappear. But we know, mass media. And
>> we're not going away. We're getting louder and stronger. And there's
>> nothing you can do to stop us.
>
>You are just a bunch of loud mouth despicable Nazi Idiots.
>
>
Yawn

There haven't been any Nazis, retarded or otherwise, for more than
half a century.

It is the usual irrational argument-by-invective technique.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:12 EDT 2008
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>Topaz  wrote:
>
>> 
>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks."
>> Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have gone back to
>> the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different
>> races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,  a symptom of
>> degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must return to the
>> guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>> 
>
>Cool!!
>Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate to
>string them up.

It seems to be a feature of primitive cultures and primitive
religions. Homophobia is irrational superstition of the same sort that
gave Europe the witch trials of the middle ages.

I can understand Himmler's hangup on this topic, since that is what he
had been taught, but there isn't much excuse for a person in 2008 with
more than a grade-school education to believe such nonsense.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:56:43 -0500, Topaz 
wrote:

>By Walter Ruthard
>
>   I myself was brought up in a small village in the southwest of
>Germany. In 1939, when the war broke out, we left for the less exposed
>Odenwald area until the possible danger of a French invasion had
>passed. Shortly after that my father was transferred to the Ruhr
>region. He as requested work as a foreman for the Mauser arms factory.
>The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
>took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
>family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
>housing. The first child brought a reduction of the mortgage by 25
>percent, and when the fourth child arrived the mortgage was no more.
>My parents already had four children then and thus were eligible for a
>free newly built house from the government.
>
> This was but one of the many programs the government established in
>order to improve the quality of life for its citizens..
>
>  Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
>before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend some
>time in rural settings together with their children..
>
> Another very popular social program of the government was "Kraft
>durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
>take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
>for this purpose. On these ships there was only one class and
>everybody was treated the same. They visited the Azores and
>Spitsbergen among other places. Those ships were not allowed to dock
>in and English port however. The reason was that the British
>government did not want it's citizens to see what it also could have
>done for them..
>
>  The most misinterpreted program in Germany was the so-called
>"Lebensborn". It was the exact opposite of what people are made to
>believe it was, or should I say, of what people like to believe..  The
>Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
>where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
>pregnancies and afterward as well. This was the Lebensborn, and any
>other interpretation is plain hogwash..
>
>  My father was able to buy not one but three guns plus two pistols,
>together with plenty of ammunition. All it took him was proof that he
>was indeed a German citizen without a criminal record. Then in 1945,
>when the French "liberated" us, they disarmed him. I know that he was
>not  the only one to have guns at home, because I saw the many, many
>arms that were handed over to the French, and this was in a very small
>village..
>
>Then, after the war was over, we had our first experience with a real
>democracy. The French introduced it and gave us some shining examples;
>one was that the lived off the country and stole everything which
>wasn't nailed down..

All four of the occupying powers had really sticky fingers, not just
the French. The Americans cleaned out the bulk of the valuable stuff,
leaving mostly junk for the Russians. The Russians were the most
obvious thieves.

>
> It was not until many years later that I learned that Hitler held at
>least five plebiscites during the first half of his rule. In
>democratic Germany, from 1945 until today there has never been  a
>plebiscite. 
>
> There were foreign workers employed in Germany during WWII. I knew
>one of them. He worked on a farm and was treated exactly like the son
>who was in the army. After the war he stayed on and married the
>daughter of the house. He was a prisoner of war from Poland and I
>never saw him guarded by any policeman. This is how foreigners were
>treated in Germany. They earned the same wages as the Germans, they
>took part in the social insurance program, had paid-for holidays
>including free train fares, and many came back with friends who also
>wanted to work for these "horrible" Germans. Today they are called
>slave laborer.
>
> Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
>and above-average performance in schools qualified. But good
>performers were promoted with all means available. Today we are much
>more democratic; everyone is entitled to a university education and if
>the parents are wealthy enough, the son or daughter can study until
>they are 35..
>
> Germany was also the country to introduce, in 1933, the first-ever
>comprehensive animal protection law. Farm animals had to be kept in
>strictly natural environments and no animal factories were allowed. Of
>course, no testing of products on animals was permitted, and no kosher
>slaughter.
>
>  If new industrial facilities were built they had to conform to the
>highest standards with adequate lighting and air inside, canteens
>where the workers were served nutritious meals at affordable prices,
>and beautiful lawns outside: all for the benefit of the workers.. In
>national socialist Germany, no child labor was allowed as it still was
>in other European countries. 
>
>  
>And finally, although I could still go on for a while, I would like to
>mention that on express orders from Hitler himself, it was strictly
>forbidden to use corporal punishment in the army. He was of the
>opinion that in was incompatible with the honor of a German to be
>punished by such degrading means. 
>
> That was the Germany I grew up in, and I am glad that I did.
>
>
>http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
>http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>
>http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html     


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:13 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:02 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:44:08 -0400, Eli Grubman
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >>> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >>> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >>> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> >>> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz. Learn to
>> >>> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >>The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >>same. The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>> >>With an Israel, Jews can fight back. That bothers you and your
>> >>Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> >So what's going to happen to you bastards when 'Israel' ceases to
>> >exist?
>>
>> Nothing will happen to the Jews in Canada, for example, if Israel
>> ceases to exist. One status does not depend on the other.<
>
>How do I know what will happen? I know what happened to Jews in
>Poland, Yugoslavia, France, Holland, Austria, Italy and other places
>where they had lived for centuries when things got tough. When after
>WWI, the German middle class was wiped out by hyperinflation and
>unemployment and  some guy Hitler came along, blamed the Jewish
>bolsheviks and promised the people work and prosperity and a return to
>"greatness" then bad things started happening to the Jews. In the US
>and Canada we still haven't had conditions that bad since the Great
>Depression. Personally, I think that as things get a lot worse,
>blaming the Jews always comes naturally. That is our history. When
>things are relatively good, people don't usually kill each other, even
>if they don't like other group. But when people are wiped out, lose
>their homes, their savings, and so on, the blaming the Jews or some
>other group is the most natural and easy thing to do. And it is no
>different in America or Canada than it was in Germany or France in the
>1930s. As my mother used to remind me, times may change but people
>don't.  JEws are a nation

Actually no, since Jews come in all shapes, sizes, and hide colours.
The only thing that the world's Jews have in common is their religion.
They don't even have a common language, let alone a common ethnicity.
You are talking empty Zionist nonsense.

>, and like every people have to have their
>homeland even if they don't personally live there. I'm sure that if
>Ireland came under attack by hordes of others promising to drive the
>Irish into the sea, that every American of Irish descent would come to
>Ireland's rescue, even if they prefer not to live there themselves. In
>times of danger, each group comes together. It's nature.

That isn't a very good example.

Canada is an immigration country, and lots of those immigrants come to
live in Ontario. I have no problem with any specific group coming here
simply to live. If, on the other hand, a certain ethnic or religious
group arrived in Ontario with the project of setting up an
ethnic/relgious state dedicated to their specific ethnicity/religion,
then I would oppose that even to the point of using armed force to
prevent it. There is no way that I am prepared to allow myself or my
family to be subjected to somebody else's power of life and death over
us. I have no problems with Presbyterians, for example, but I would
have a MAJOR problem with the concept of a Presbyterian State where
all the laws are framed to benefit Presbyterians and where
Presbyterians control the police and the armed services.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
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>On Aug 14, 8:48 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:230ab622-bd4b-4831-a9aa-18a4d5c04f21@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 6:39 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> > wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:fdc804f1-59a9-47f3-b7ef-c2661537e4fc@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 14, 2:08 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:76e9c38e-6cb1-433b-8b2c-f072e84cecdb@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> On Aug 13, 5:32 am, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> " Do g "  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.
>>
>> >> >> >> Why? It's Ersatz israel who causes the problems.<
>> >> >> >You mean, the existence of Jews causes the problems, right?
>>
>> >> >> No. I don't mean the existence of jews is the problem, garbageguz.
>> >> >> Learn
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> read, you fuckwit.<
>>
>> >> > The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >> > same.
>>
>> >> Nope.
>>
>> >> Very few jews can trace their roots back to what is now known as israel.<
>>
>> > That's not what science says.
>>
>> It's exactly what science says, garbageguz. Apart from two yids who
>> committed academic fraud to distort their research outcomes.<
>
>You have not, and cannot provide a reference to any modern DNA
>research that refutes what I have stated. You can lie and deny all you
>want, but the truth cannot be suppressed forever.

Genuine Jews descended from the ancient Hebrews have the same DNA as
Arabs and other Semitic people in the region. There is no DNA test for
Jewishness.


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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:04 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>> el.<
>>
>> >That's not what science says. I grant you that perhaps up to 50% of
>> >present day Jews are not genetically related to the Israelites of
>> >2000+ years ago, but the fact that at least 50% are after 2000 years
>> >of exile is quite amazing.
>>
>> That still doesn't justify their theft of a "homeland" in the Middle
>> East.<
>
>The Arabs were the thieves and squatters.

That is Zionist nonsense. The last independent Jewish state in the
area vanished in 586 BC or 2594 years ago. Jews as a group, have no
claim to the area. Jews as individuals should be able to live there,
but a "Jewish state" that gives Jews a monopoly on violence and allows
them to make laws to favour Jews at the expense of others is simply
not acceptable.


> The Jews just came home.
>It's as if tens of millions of American Indians came home from exile
>overseas. 

>If anyone tried to stop them with violence, they would have
>every right to respond with tenfold violence.

The Indians were entitled to use violence when the European "settlers"
first came with the view to setting up a European state that gives
special privileges to Europeans, but not now. 


> Especially if the League
>of Nations or the UN said they  had the right to return home.

The League of Nations had no right to give away the land of the
Palestinians. The League of Nations was just another allied artifice
to manipulate the world's population for the benefit of a few European
colonialist powers.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:14 EDT 2008
Article: 1931974 of alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:50:25 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>
>Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
>>  wrote:
>>
>
>> >
>> >The existence of Israel and the existence of Jews are one and the
>> >same.
>>
>> That is complete nonsense. Israel endangers all the Jewish people on
>> the planet with its reckless militarism and general criminality.<
>
>Don't be ridiculous. FIrst of all, had at least 1 million Jews come to
>"Palestine" from Europe in the 1930s and stayed, they would have
>outnumbered the Arabs and created the Jewish State before 1939, and
>there never would have been a Holocaust.

The Arabs are not stupid and recognized that the Jews were bogus
settlers that were coming to force themselves on the indigenous
population. The Arabs had and have every right to defend themselves
against this horde.


> I will agree, that we Jews
>are partially responsible for NOT coming and staying in Palestine in
>sufficient numbers to create the state before the world war began. And
>I agree with Reverend Hagee with his expression that the Holocaust was
>God's punishment for not going and establishing the Jewish state
>earlier on in the 1920s and '30s, instead of hanging around in Europe.
>Of course, the Arab terror against Jews in the '20s and '30s didn't
>help. My own mother wanted to go to Palestine in the early 1930s, but
>my grandmother stopped her from doing so, and so she later perished at
>the hands of your Nazi brethren.
>Israel is the JEwish homeland, and all Jews who don't support it are
>those who still trust Gentiles to protect them, which is as misplaced
>today as it was in the 1930s.
>
> I
>> have no problem with the Jewish people who live down the street, but I
>> certainly have a major problem with Israel and its genocidal policies.<
>
>I have a problem with you living up my street. I don't care about how
>you feel regarding us. Jews have as much right to live in America as
>do WASPs.

Why is that? According to you, Arabs have no rights to their own
areas. The rights of Jews don't trump the rights of anybody else. Jews
don't have a "right" to move to Canada. Canadians decide who is
allowed to settle in Canada. Jews didn't have a "right" to move into
Palestine and displace the local people.

> Jews have been here since 1654. However, since there are
>more of you than there are of me, obviously I need a Jewish homeland
>just in case you people go back to your old murderous ways.
>
>> > The Holocaust proved what happens to Jews without an Israel.
>>
>> That is a non sequitur. One idea does not follow from the other.
>> Israel does not produce a safe environment for Jews within Israel, let
>> alone in other countries around the world.<
>
>Israel is as safe as any country, including the US. The US has
>millions of illegals jumping the border every year. The reason I don't
>live in Israel anymore is because Jews don't get along very well with
>each other. But that's true of Arabs too. I don't deny the ARabs the
>right to their 22 countries, or the Muslims their 56, but they will
>not succeed in denying us our homeland.
>
>> >With an Israel, Jews can fight back.
>>
>> This is just your silly fantasy, not reality. Israel is a
>> postage-stamp kingdom of 20,000 km? without any world significance,
>> nuclear weapons or no.<
>
>What significance does it have to have? It doesn't have to have any
>significance. It just has to be left alone to live in peace within
>itself. The big countries like the US, RUssia, China, India, Japan,
>Germany, France, they all want to be big shots in the world. Israel
>doesn't want to be a big shot. It just wants to survive with a modicum
>of peace and prosperity. That's all. It wants to be like Switzerland
>or Sweden: small, prosperous and peaceful.

You gave that away when you stole land belonging to others. You will
never have peace as a result. Poland and the Czech republic have
likewise benefited from genocide and their countries sit on stolen
terrain. They will likewise never have lasting peace. Each year since
1945, the authorities in western Germany and now the authorities in
united Germany send a diplomatic note to both Poland and the Czech
republic reminding these jurisdictions that Germany does not regard
their frontiers with Germany as final.

>
>
>> > That bothers you and your
>> >Islamofascist colleagues. Tough.
>>
>> Neo-Israel embodies the principles of fascism much better than do any
>> Islamic countries. Israel is an anachronism that does not belong in
>> the 21st century.<
>
>The Islamofascists want to be big shots. They pine after some old Arab
>empire of the 10th century, and to recreate some Caliphate and bring
>all the "infidels" under their Koran and their Muhammad and their
>Allah. They are pissed at Israel because it dares to exist and defeat
>their aggression time after time,

The Zionists are the aggressors and the war criminals.

> and that just slays them
>emotionally. If they can't overcome little Israel, how can they
>overcome the big countries?

A handful of Lebanese gave them a run for their money just recently
and all that the "heroic" Israelis were able to do was massacre
civilians. There certainly isn't any glory or respectability in that.
It did make the world's people more aware of what an obscenity Israel
really is.

> Now their hope is infiltrate and
>overpopulate and try to take over demographically.

Why is swamping the local population an acceptable technique for
Zionists but not for others? You are being inconsistent and
irrational.

> But I think they
>are going to fail anyway. I know they will.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:15 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:23:31 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:18 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:23:15 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 14, 2:11 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>> >> >It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>> >> >You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>> >> >here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>> >> >bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>> >> >antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>> >> >so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>>
>> >> Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>>
>> >> Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and
>> >> kiss their arses goodbye.<
>>
>> >At least it would be quick and not like the Holocaust. I'd launch and
>> >not give a fuck about the consequences. You only live once, so take
>> >down the enemy with you, is what I say.
>>
>> You won't take down the Russian Federation. <
>
>Why would we want to? But if any country tries to destroy Israel,
>Israel will do its darndest to destroy it first. Look, 400 nukes
>including 30 hydrogen bombs is nothing to sneeze at either.
>
>If Germany with its
>> considerable resources couldn't do it,<
>
>Germany didn't have atomic bombs, because its smart Jews went to
>America and built them for America.

How smart could they have been if they did something as stupid as
create nuclear bombs? All the American scientists did was apply
physical principles that were developed in Germany by German
physicists. Americans, like Russians, like to take credit for the work
of others.

>> then neither will some joke of
>> a mini-state in the Middle East called Israel. Even in the unlikely
>> event that you succeed in taking out Moscow and Petersburg, you still
>> will not survive the interaction. Russia has lost twenty million
>> people in wars before, and it hasn't disintegrated. Russia will
>> survive but Israel will not.<
>
>My father was in the Red Army

How many people did he rape? Rape and pillage is the Russian
speciality. The Red Army was not a class act.




> from Leningrad to Berlin. Don't teach
>me Russian history.
>Anyhow, Israel won't survive but neither will the Palestinians who
>will also be killed in the exchange. And 2000 years later, if there
>are any Jews left, they'll come back to their homeland again.
>


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:19:18 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 2:13 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:11:13 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>> >news:1a262534-e749-49bf-a1da-0f0769492c3a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> >On Aug 13, 3:58 am, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>>
>> >>> Nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, problem solved.<
>>
>> >>It's what I have been saying right here for nearly two decades, Doug.
>> >>You haven't been around here that long, but if you had read my posts
>> >>here of more than a decade ago, I said that if Israel doesn't nuke the
>> >>bastards soon, it would be nukes instead. It's getting very close and
>> >>antsy Doug. The US is impotent now, and Russia is picking up its head,
>> >>so it might be time for Israel to start dusting off the nukes.
>>
>> >Good show. I hope the izzie cunts do just that.
>>
>> >Every izzie will then have to place his/her head between his/her legs and
>> >kiss their arses goodbye.
>>
>> The Israelis might be able to launch a few nukes in the direction of
>> the Russian Federation, but the response will be very rapid and
>> spectacular. Russia is not that vulnerable to nuclear attack since the
>> bulk of its population is still rural rather than concentrated in a
>> few large towns. Israel, by contrast, is extremely vulnerable to
>> nuclear devastation, not the least because it occupies only 20,000 km²
>> on the ground, whereas the Russian Federation is more than 20 Million
>> km², occupying about 15% of the earth's surface.
>>
>> It would only take two or three of Russia's hydrogen bombs (they have
>> THOUSANDS) to turn all of Israel into fused glass. The Zionist project
>> would come to an abrupt end after rather less than a century.<
>
>Russia could do the same to the US too, and vice versa. I don't  think
>any nation would survive an all out war against Russia. The question
>is, would a country like Russia be prepared to pay the price to
>destroy tiny Israel that has no oil, no gas, no precious resources
>except its people. Would Russia not mind losing a few cities just for
>the pleasure of destroying Israel?  If they are prepared to pay the
>price of wiping out Israel, then there isn't much that can be done. So
>Israel would be destroyed again as it has been in the past. But if
>there are any Jews left alive in the world, 2000 years later they'll
>come back to their homeland again.  It's nature, like looking for long
>lost parents.
>Sooner or later, people will always search back for their roots. Even
>African Americans now look for their roots in West Africa.

If the scenario you describe were ever to come to pass, then you may
in fact experience a real holocaust in the form of a pogrom that will
sweep away all the Jews on earth. Be careful what you wish for, since
you may in fact get it.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:15 EDT 2008
Article: 1931979 of alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Temple of Zeus found in Israel, time to establish a pagan  homeland?
From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:43:02 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 12:36 pm, Eli Grubman  wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:53:01 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 14, 9:41 am, Eli Grubman  wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Aug 14, 5:43 am, Eli Grubman  wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:48:04 -0700 (PDT), Debwhorah "Sharavi" Nyob aka
>>
>> >> >> mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> >> >On Aug 14, 1:20 am, 4PeaceMirelle  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >ANNOUNCEMENT!
>>
>> >> >> >Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
>> >> >> >renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC. -- that's
>> >> >> >Me!
>>
>> >> >> How many decades is it since you've had a cock in *your* mouth, whore
>> >> >> Nyob?<
>>
>> >> >I respect her even more if she hasn't had that many. So, how many
>> >> >cocks have you sucked lately? I bet a lot of Jewish renegade cock.
>>
>> >> You're beginning to sound like Suzy Cohen.   Are you sure you're not a
>> >> 'convert'?
>>
>> >> >I know you do it mainly for the Jewish money that you're paid, but  are
>> >> >there any you actually liked? Or do you prefer the uncircumcised, more
>> >> >HIV-prone "Aryan" gentile cock?
>>
>> >> The risk of HIV can be minimised by removing the cock altogether,
>> >> apparently.<
>>
>> >So get the cock out of your ass, straighten up, and fly right. Stop
>> >your perverted Nazi ways.
>>
>> Why do you primitive jew bastards just cut the glans off? <
>
>God's orders are mysterious.

You are starting with an un-provable assumption, namely that your
deity actually exists.


> We don't know the reasons why these
>things are done. But it has recently been found out, as you know, that
>circumcised men are at much less risk from HIV than the uncircumcised.

Much less is a bit of an overstatement. Circumcision gives marginal
benefit for HIV. The risk of death or disfigurement for infants is
around 2%, whereas only one person in 300 ever develops complications
later in life that require a circumcision. I have no problem with
circumcision if an adult male wants it done, but I also believe that a
physician who does this to an infant should be charged with indecent
assault on a minor and indecent assault causing bodily harm.

Ontario now refuses to pay for the operation, so the number of such
operations has declined rather sharply in recent years. Medically
unnecessary surgery on children should constitute grounds for removing
the children from the custody of the people who permitted it. 


>Maybe our forefathers knew things thousands of years ago that we are
>just rediscovering now?
>
>> Cut the
>> whole G-ddam thing off and be done with it.  No risk of penile cancer,
>> virtually no risk of HIV...sounds good to me.<
>
>But then how would you make a living with no Jew cock to suck?


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:16 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Germany's Forbidden Words
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:57:58 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:uv27a4590mkergdkmcturs33vombjtdops@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:10:16 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Suevian"  wrote in message
>>>news:jaidna8lprQ-lj7VnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suevian"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:roOdnf9ex-20Bz_VnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/07/31/germany_s_forbidden_words
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, two German scholars, Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf were
>>>>>> illegally abducted from the United States and imprisoned for 
>>>>>> presenting
>>>>>> scientific evidence that a phenomenal hoax called the "Jewish 
>>>>>> Holocaust"
>>>>>> had taken place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We can stop here, because you can't even get that part right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither EZ or GR are "German scholars".    That's just laughable.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zundel may not class as a "schollar",
>>>
>>>No kidding!  And by the way,  the word I quoted only has one l.
>>>
>>>> though he has done a lot of interesting and useful work.
>>>
>>>Only if you count fiction and Neo-Nazi propaganda "interesting and 
>>>useful".
>>>
>>>It's worth noting that in EZ's "False News" trials in Canada, he failed -
>>>twice - to convice juries that he actually beleived that the Holocaust
>>>didn't happen as described.
>>
>> Nonsense,
>
>It's the unvarnished truth.
>
>> it was the holocaustT industry that failed to make their
>> case at the false news trials.
>
>Well, they made their cases well enough to do what counts, which was to gain 
>convictions.
>
>> Mr. Zundel was acquited.
>
>That's pretty funny, the way that you demonstrate your ingorance of the 
>easily available facts while claiming the truth is "nonsense".
>
>EZ was *not* acquitted.
>
>In fact, he was *not* acquitted *twice*.
>
>In other words, he was convicted by juries, not once but *twice*, of 
>spreading false news,  which was defined as presenting things as true while 
>knowing that they were false.
>
>It was a law against public lying.    And in order to lie, the liar has to 
>be aware that the statment, the lie, is not the truth.     The liar does not 
>believe the lie, but tells it anyway for other reasons,
>
>In EZ's case, there happen to be over a million of those reasons.   These 
>lies provided his income.
>
>EZ  was unable to  convince either of those two juries that he *actually 
>believed* that the Holocaust did not occur, which was the stuff he was 
>selling, which as it happens made him a lot of money.
>
>To repeat, the court found that EZ was lying, and that he actually does 
>believe that the Holocaust occurred.
>
>What later happened is that he appealed to the Supreme Court on the grounds 
>that he had a constitutional right to lie.    The Supreme Court agreed, and 
>voided the law, and hence the conviction.
>
>The Supreme Court did *not* in any way rule on or alter the judgement that 
>EZ lied when presenting material that disputes the Holocaust, and the 
>Supreme Court did not in any way rule or find that EZ actually believed that 
>the Holocaust didn't occur.
>
>*Truth was not the issue* before the Supreme Court, and was not considered.
>
>What was at issue was EZ's claim to have a right to lie.
>
>It shouldn't really surprise me that a Nazi supporter just can't understand 
>this.    Your role model was found to be lying, and the Supreme Court Ruling 
>didn't and doesn't change that.
>
>So in the end, what got EZ out of jail on that one was that he said "Truth 
>doesn't matter!   I can say whatever I want whether I believe it or not!"
>
>Hope this helps, but if you are so deluded that you think that two 
>convictions make an acquittal,  I'm afraid there isn't much hope of that.
>
>-pk
>
> 

The Crown's case was dismissed, which is why the "false news" law has
never been used again.

Doug Christie was a spectacular lawyer.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:38:40 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 8:29 pm, "127.0.0.1"  wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>> jgarbuz  wrote:
>> > Israeli Firm Wins Mega Deal for Desalination Plant in Australia
>> > by Hana Levi Julian
>>
>> London's only Jewish community radio station has been forced to cease broadcasting after losing a High Court libel case brought against it by the Respect MP George Galloway.
>>
>> Jcom, a non-profit station which broadcast online and to a small area in north-west London, was wound up after it was told to pay the MP damages of __15,000.
>>
>> Mr Galloway sued the station after one of its presenters played a spoof character based on the MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, and implied he was anti-Semitic. It was also ordered to pay Mr Galloway's court costs, thought to be __5,000. Mr Galloway said that the judgment had "categorically crushed the slur of anti-Semitism".
>>
>> During a broadcast in November, a presenter who called himself "Georgie Galloway", the station's "Middle East correspondent", used the catchphrase, "kill the Jews, kill the Jews". The station immediately sacked the presenter, Richard Malach, saying he was "young and inexperienced" and had made an error of judgment while attempting to present an edgy programme. It also issued an apology on its website and offered Mr Galloway the opportunity to appear on the station, which had a very small audience. Only 36 people were listening online at the time of the offending show.
>>
>> The programme was also broadcast over the radio to an area in north-west London with a three-mile radius.
>>
>> But Mr Galloway said he pursued the case as the station's apology "fell short of the categorical retraction of the imputation of anti-Semitism that I insisted upon".
>>
>> Jeremy Silverstone, the head of Jcom, said he was disappointed that the
>> case had led to the downfall of the capital's only Jewish radio
>> station.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/londons-jewish-radio-s...
>
>Does Mr. Galloway accept that Israel is Jewish land? If not, he's an
>antisemite.

You've made a lot of really stupid statements, garbageguz, but this
one takes the cake.




> But as for the downfall of a Jewish radio station in
>London, so what? All Jews sooner or later belong in their homeland,
>and sooner or later all Jews left in the Diaspora will be dispossessed
>again just as my family was in Poland after 1939.  Nothing the Jew has
>ever built or created outside of his homeland has ever remained in
>Jewish hands. If all Jewish talent, from Einstein onwards had gone to
>the Land of Israel instead of giving away the fruit of their talents
>to the Gentiles who disrespect and hate them, what a country Israel
>could have been. Most Jewish talent is still outside the Homeland.
>That is Israel's weakness.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:35:18 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 14, 8:50 pm, "127.0.0.1"  wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>
>>
>
>> > Does Mr. Galloway accept that Israel is Jewish land? If not, he's an
>> > antisemite.
>>
>> Like any sane person he doesn't believe that ''Gawd'' was working in
>> real estate thousands of years ago and handed out land deeds to certain
>> people.<
>
>Doesn't matter. The League of Nations RULED in 1922 that the Jewish
>homeland is in Palestine, so its just not God's decision, but
>international law.

The League of Nations was a tool of the European colonial powers.
Israel regularly ignores the resolutions of the successor of the
League of Nations if the resolution doesn't fit Israel's desires, so
why should others take such things too seriously?

>
>> >But as for the downfall of a Jewish radio station in
>> > London, so what?
>>
>> Jews need to stop claiming that Galloway is an Anti-Semite, He likes the
>> Palestinians, the Pals are Semites. You people need to stop calling him
>> names, yeah?<
>
>He can love them all he wants, but the Land of Israel is Jewish land.
>And the Arabs have PLENTY of land of their own. Some 22 states in
>fact. It isn't a popularity contest where sovereignty over the land
>belongs to the people you like best. The Council of the League of
>Nations RULED at the San Remo conferences of 1920 and 1922 that
>"Palestine" is the Jewish National Home, as they called it then. It's
>too bad that some Arabs chose to violently oppose Jewish rights and
>ended up outside, but then, Jews have been kicked out of many lands,
>including my own family from Poland. That is, they are all dead, and
>their properties lost forever. SO? THat's life. Why can't the Arabs
>who call themselves "Palestinians" also accept reality?  They fought,
>rather than divide it with the Jews, and they lost it fair and
>square.  They are still fighting and violent, and so as long as they
>are they will never have a square inch of it. Only when they accept
>Jewish rights will they too have some rights as well.


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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:48:02 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:24:30 -0400
>Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>> >Topaz  wrote:
>> >
>> >> 
>> >> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>> >> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>> >> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>> >> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own
>> >> ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have
>> >> gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage
>> >> mixing different races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,
>> >> a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must
>> >> return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
>> >> degenerates"
>> >> 
>> >
>> >Cool!!
>> >Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate
>> >to string them up.
>> 
>> It seems to be a feature of primitive cultures and primitive
>> religions. Homophobia is irrational superstition of the same sort that
>> gave Europe the witch trials of the middle ages.
>> 
>> I can understand Himmler's hangup on this topic, since that is what he
>> had been taught, but there isn't much excuse for a person in 2008 with
>> more than a grade-school education to believe such nonsense.
>
>Back in the olden days of America - 1970 before you and I were even born
>homosexuality was classified as mental illness. Political Correctness
>took hold and they changed the diagnoses. Homosexuality isn't normal
>behaviour, yeah? Two men or two women can't reproduce, it's against
>nature. 

It was removed from the mental illness list because psychiatrists and
others discovered that this "mental illness" had no pathology. Most of
the people functioned quite well in society. If they had problems, the
problems were caused by the ignorant people in their environment.

The reproduction argument is rather silly. Do you perceive a shortage
of people in the world? Nature works on averages, and there are
clearly more than enough breeders in the world.

>
>Homosexulaity is treatable.

All previous attempts have failed. There is nothing to cure and
nothing to treat.

>
>If you have a girely male, shoot him up with Testosterone
>Cypionate, and that would cure him.

That notion isn't borne out scientifically. Gay males generally have
normal levels of testosterone in their systems.

>
>If you have a man hating bull dyke, shoot the bitch up with
>estrogen. 
>
>Either way, cure them with the above treatment of shove them back in
>the closet.  

LOL

What is your hangup with this topic?


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:21:21 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:12:45 +0000 (UTC)
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote:
>
>> "127.0.0.1"  wrote in news:Dq5pk.30717$QX3.26207
>> @newsfe02.iad:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>> > Topaz  wrote:
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>> >> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>> >> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>> >> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own
>> >> ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have
>> >> gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage
>> >> mixing different races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,
>> >> a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must
>> >> return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
>> >> degenerates"
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > Cool!!
>> > Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate
>> > to string them up.
>> 
>> How can that be? According to Ahmadinejad, there are no homosexuals
>> in Iran.
>
>They hang the ones they find dumbass. I'm guessing you wouldn't live
>long in Iran.

Isn't religious superstition grand? Religious crazies have produced
nothing but misery and bloodshed for thousands of years.


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:11:01 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 15, 9:23 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:3a436424-d244-4c25-a7f8-c8fe97f870ff@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 12:36 pm, Eli Grubman  wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:53:01 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Aug 14, 9:41 am, Eli Grubman  wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Aug 14, 5:43 am, Eli Grubman  wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:48:04 -0700 (PDT), Debwhorah "Sharavi" Nyob
>> >> >> >> aka
>>
>> >> >> >> mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Aug 14, 1:20 am, 4PeaceMirelle  wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >ANNOUNCEMENT!
>>
>> >> >> >> >Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by
>> >> >> >> >world
>> >> >> >> >renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC. --
>> >> >> >> >that's
>> >> >> >> >Me!
>>
>> >> >> >> How many decades is it since you've had a cock in *your* mouth,
>> >> >> >> whore
>> >> >> >> Nyob?<
>>
>> >> >> >I respect her even more if she hasn't had that many. So, how many
>> >> >> >cocks have you sucked lately? I bet a lot of Jewish renegade cock.
>>
>> >> >> You're beginning to sound like Suzy Cohen.   Are you sure you're not a
>> >> >> 'convert'?
>>
>> >> >> >I know you do it mainly for the Jewish money that you're paid, but
>> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >there any you actually liked? Or do you prefer the uncircumcised,
>> >> >> >more
>> >> >> >HIV-prone "Aryan" gentile cock?
>>
>> >> >> The risk of HIV can be minimised by removing the cock altogether,
>> >> >> apparently.<
>>
>> >> >So get the cock out of your ass, straighten up, and fly right. Stop
>> >> >your perverted Nazi ways.
>>
>> >> Why do you primitive jew bastards just cut the glans off? <
>>
>> > God's orders are mysterious.
>>
>> There is no god, you fuckwit.<
>
>Prove it.

You first. There are hundreds of superstitions on this planet, so why
do you think that yours represents "truth"?


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:53:48 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>That is correct Israelis your the best at everything, no brag just
>fact.  You are God's chosen people that will build his Temple in
>Jerusalem.  God chose you because you chose him which is more than I
>can say for all the other nations that were offered the Torah.  The
>Torah is the best law in existence and the way of life that the Torah
>generates is better than any other way of life in existence.  You
>outlived every nation on earth and you’ll be around for a long time to
>come from generation to generation.

The people of Israel became extinct in 586 BC. Judaism survived, but
not the "chosen people".


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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:53:36 -0700 (PDT), HHW
 wrote:

>On Aug 15, 11:53 am, NefeshYehudi  wrote:
>> That is correct Israelis your the best at everything, no brag just
>> fact.  You are God's chosen people that will build his Temple in
>> Jerusalem.  God chose you because you chose him which is more than I
>> can say for all the other nations that were offered the Torah.  The
>> Torah is the best law in existence and the way of life that the Torah
>> generates is better than any other way of life in existence.  You
>> outlived every nation on earth and you’ll be around for a long time to
>> come from generation to generation.
>
>You were a better Marine than you are a theologian.

Yehudi is a simple-minded racist. All racists believe that their
ethnic group is superior to all others. It is part of the definition.


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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:28:02 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:aa17cb08-d70e-409c-a0e7-4eb43b3cca87@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1833619,00.html
>>
>>
>> Can anyone of the deniers prove that all these people are Jews?
>
>It only needs one to spoil the barrel, b'luto.
>
>Merkelstein is a crypto yid.
>
>
>> 
She is an American stooge, like so many of the postwar German
"governments".


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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>Topaz  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>>> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>>> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>>> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks."
>>> Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have gone back to
>>> the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different
>>> races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,  a symptom of
>>> degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must return to the
>>> guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>>> 
>>
>>Cool!!
>>Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate to
>>string them up.
>
> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.

That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity for
as long as humanity has existed, approximately four million years. 

The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human sexuality. It
definitely does not corrupt society. It seems that those societies
that persecute people for this are the world's most corrupt societies.

>They think they
>should be teaching in the schools.

They have always been teaching in schools, just as they have always
been in the military and in every other profession.

>
>
>Iran TV
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ta7XpaK6Ak&feature=related
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2GcpB2DQM&feature=related
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nC9s4vfhok&feature=related
>
>
>http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
>http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>
>http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html     


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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 16, 9:23 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >> Nope. The homeland for 92% of your turds is Europe, garbageguz.<
>>
>> >> > No, that's YOUR homeland,
>>
>> >> Nope. 92% of the world's yids have NO historical connection with the
>> >> Middle
>> >> East. FACT!<
>>
>> > At least 50% of Jews have Middle Eastern blood, so you can shove your
>> > made up 92% figure where the sun don't shine.
>>
>> Nope. 92% garbageguz. With NO historical connection with the Middle East.
>> NONE.<
>
>Whose ass did you pull out that ridiculous number from? Yours? How
>could you when it's stuffed full of renegade Jew cock? Keep waving
>around ridiculous figures. Maybe you'll get some Islamofascists to
>believe you. But you certainly won't get any genetic scientists to do
>so.
>
LOL, garbageguz, most of those "Islamofascists" have more semitic DNA
in them than you or most Jews. Do everybody a favour, and stop
babbling in ridiculous Bush-speak. Using terms like "Islamofascist"
makes you look like a complete airhead.



From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:19 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Hitler's War on Christianity
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:03:27 -0400
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>>>>> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>>>>> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>>>>> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own
>>>>> ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have
>>>>> gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage
>>>>> mixing different races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,
>>>>> a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must
>>>>> return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
>>>>> degenerates"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cool!!
>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate
>>>> to string them up.
>>>
>>> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.
>>
>> That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity for
>> as long as humanity has existed,
>
>No it hasn't, and...

Scientific evidence rejects your position here.

>
>> The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
>> Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human sexuality.
>
>... no it isn't. It's a perversion that is unacceptable to decent people.

That makes no sense. Most gay people ARE decent people. 

>In 
>ancient Greece, you lost your citizenship for being a homosexual.

LOL

Where did you read that? Ancient Greece was rather well known for its
tolerance of same-sex interactions, but not between equals. It was
generally an older male who mentored a younger male in the 14 to 20
range. Americans, naturally, would go bonkers at that thought, but
that was the situation in ancient Greece.

>
>>> They think they
>>> should be teaching in the schools.
>>
>> They have always been teaching in schools, just as they have always
>> been in the military and in every other profession.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Iran TV
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ta7XpaK6Ak&feature=related
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2GcpB2DQM&feature=related
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nC9s4vfhok&feature=related
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>>>
>>> http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>>>
>>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html 
>


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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
 wrote:

>On Aug 16, 3:48 pm, FACE  wrote:
>> PJ O'Donovan  wrote:
>>
>> > Arbeit Macht Frei - fgorced labor in Osettia by
>> > Russians
>>
>> I notice that you're not doing anything about it.  Looks like you're just
>> another  frail, senile old man without any guts.  Cowards like you always
>> refuse to serve in the military.  You stupid old fuck.  Sitting around all
>> day collecting your social insurance, doing nothing but bitch about those who
>> are your betters.  What kind of trailer do you live in, Jethro?    How is
>> making money for beer by collecting empty bottles for the deposits?
>>
>> Left wing social leeches like you never carry your own weight.   The world is
>> a fucked up place because of feeble minded old pieces of shit like you.
>>
>> Why don't you go fight the Russians there boy?  Or is it the usual, others
>> need to do your heavy lifting for you like it's always been?
>>
>> Stupid socialist puke pile.   Don't dare call yourself an American, pig boy.  
>> You haven't earned the right.
>>
>> "Judeo Christians think it is the "end times" even though it has been
>> the "end times" for over two thousand years so far. They think the one
>> and only hope is for Jesus to return and straighten everything out.
>> And a big part of the plan is the destroy the world. They think wars
>> and everything being blown up is a great thing because it means Jesus
>> will return soon.
>>
>>  Marxists were murderous lowlifes but they said religion is the opium
>> of the people. There obviously is some truth to that. Enemies often
>> have some truth in their arguments. On top of the opium there is the
>> Jewish propaganda started by Scofield.
>>
>>   Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
>> as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
>> problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
>> first Hitler and then the Muslims. These are the two who actually
>> solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
>> Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
>> liberalism. There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
>> in a Muslim country. "
>>
>> http://www.ihr.org/     http://www.natvan.com
>>
>> http://www.thebirdman.org   http://www.nsm88.com/
>>
>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html   
>>
>> "
>
>So, you're a Muslim Nazi?

You seem to be an ignorant bigot and an airhead to boot.



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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:20:45 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:34:10 -0500, in
>, Sara Salzman
> wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>>  Gord McFee  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:48:02 -0400, in
>> > , "127.0.0.1" 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:24:30 -0400
>> > > Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > >On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>> > > > >Topaz  wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> 
>> > > > >> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>> > > > >> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>> > > > >> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>> > > > >> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own
>> > > > >> ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have
>> > > > >> gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage
>> > > > >> mixing different races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,
>> > > > >> a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must
>> > > > >> return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
>> > > > >> degenerates"
>> > > > >> 
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Cool!!
>> > > > >Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate
>> > > > >to string them up.
>> > > > 
>> > > > It seems to be a feature of primitive cultures and primitive
>> > > > religions. Homophobia is irrational superstition of the same sort that
>> > > > gave Europe the witch trials of the middle ages.
>> > > > 
>> > > > I can understand Himmler's hangup on this topic, since that is what he
>> > > > had been taught, but there isn't much excuse for a person in 2008 with
>> > > > more than a grade-school education to believe such nonsense.
>> > > 
>> > > Back in the olden days of America - 1970 before you and I were even born
>> > > homosexuality was classified as mental illness. Political Correctness
>> > > took hold and they changed the diagnoses. Homosexuality isn't normal
>> > > behaviour, yeah? Two men or two women can't reproduce, it's against
>> > > nature. 
>> > > 
>> > > Homosexulaity is treatable.
>> > > 
>> > > If you have a girely male, shoot him up with Testosterone
>> > > Cypionate, and that would cure him.
>> > > 
>> > > If you have a man hating bull dyke, shoot the bitch up with
>> > > estrogen. 
>> > > 
>> > > Either way, cure them with the above treatment of shove them back in
>> > > the closet.  
>> > 
>> > On August 18, 2000, David E. Michael wrote, "On one side there will be
>> > the revisionists with well-argued, well-referenced articles of
>> > historical interest."
>> 
>> Yes, Baby Tommy is quite the example, isn't he?
>
>Yes, he even has E.., oops, I mean Johannes von Ebersdorf mad at him.

LOL, Gord. I'm not mad at either one of you. He offers nonsense on
human sexuality and you offer nonsense on both human sexuality and on
European history. I have no obligation to buy into either of your
positions.


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:26:43 -0500, Topaz 
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
> wrote:
>
>>Bullshit.
>>
>>Alexander the Great, who united all of Greece, took a male lover with
>>him on all his military campaigns.
>>
>
> In a Hollywood movie no doubt.

This is not something of which there is any doubt. If anything,
Hollywood tries to sanitize things and downplays Alexander's romantic
attachment to Hephaistion.

>
>http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
>http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>
>http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html     


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:30:02 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Joe Bruno (jbruno@indystart.com) wrote:
>> Bullshit.
>
>Talking of...
>
>> Alexander the Great, who united all of Greece, took a male lover with
>> him on all his military campaigns.
>
>...here's some of that manure. 
>
Sorry Halle, but here you are definitely wrong. 


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:32:30 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on
>>>>>>> the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which
>>>>>>> he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary,
>>>>>>> we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even within
>>>>>>> our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we
>>>>>>> today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the
>>>>>>> question of marriage mixing different races, so too in our
>>>>>>> judgement of homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could
>>>>>>> destroy our race,  we must return to the guiding Nordic
>>>>>>> principle: extermination of degenerates"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool!!
>>>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't
>>>>>> hesitate to string them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.
>>>>
>>>> That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity for
>>>> as long as humanity has existed,
>>>
>>> No it hasn't, and...
>>
>> Scientific evidence rejects your position here.
>
>Really? Jewish science, I bet.

There is no such thing as "Jewish science", Halle. You are making
yourself look ridiculous with this line of discussion.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
>>>> Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human sexuality.
>>>
>>> ... no it isn't. It's a perversion that is unacceptable to decent
>>> people.
>>
>> That makes no sense. Most gay people ARE decent people.
>
>No they aren't. They are vile creatures. Most pedophiles are also 
>homosexuals.

That is utter crap, Halle. I hope that what you say about the
holocaust™ has more validity than the sheer horse-pucky you are
offering on the subject of human sexuality. Naturally, the two issues
are totally distinct, so while you are full of shit on the subject of
human sexuality, you may still be correct in your evaluation of the
various holocaust™ stories.

>
>>> In
>>> ancient Greece, you lost your citizenship for being a homosexual.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Where did you read that?
>
>In the ancient sources, dear.
>The myth linking Hellenism and homosexuality is the invention of pederasts 
>who try to justify their morbid behavior by creating twistory. They do this 
>because ancient Greece has been held to a high standard of civilization. 
>Linking faggotry and the ancient greatness of Hellas then, would be perfect 
>for the homosexuals' perverted agenda of normalizing their behavior. In 
>Greece, a faggot was called "kinaidos", or "causer of shame."
>
>Aeschines, "Kata Timarchou", 21
>
>If any Athenian shall have 'Etairese' (same sex companionship) he shall not 
>be permited to:
>
>1. Become one of the nine archons,
>2. Nor dischrge the office of priest,
>3. Nor to act as an advocate for the state,
>4. Nor shall he hold any office whatsoever at home or abroad, whether filled 
>by lot or by election. He shall not be sent as herald.
>5. He shall not take part in debate, not take part in public sacrifices.
>6. He shall not enter within the limits of the place that has been purified 
>for the assembling of the people. If any man has been convicted of these 
>sexual acts contrary to these prohibitations, shall be put to death.
>
>Demosthenes "Kata Androtionos" Paragraph 30
>
>"nor shall they have the right to speak, nor to bring charge before the 
>court."
>
>Homosexuality being acceptable in Hellas is nothing but a myth. Like the 
>Holocaust. Probably driven by the same pseudohistorians.
>Faggotry is a crime against Nature and shall be punishable by death. Ta 
>ta...
>
>>>>> They think they
>>>>> should be teaching in the schools.
>>>>
>>>> They have always been teaching in schools, just as they have always
>>>> been in the military and in every other profession.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Iran TV
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ta7XpaK6Ak&feature=related
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2GcpB2DQM&feature=related
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nC9s4vfhok&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html 
>


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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:44:09 -0500, Sara Salzman
 wrote:

>In article ,
> "halle"  wrote:
>
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0300, "halle" 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>> >>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on
>> >>>>>> the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which
>> >>>>>> he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary,
>> >>>>>> we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even within
>> >>>>>> our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we
>> >>>>>> today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the
>> >>>>>> question of marriage mixing different races, so too in our
>> >>>>>> judgement of homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could
>> >>>>>> destroy our race,  we must return to the guiding Nordic
>> >>>>>> principle: extermination of degenerates"
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cool!!
>> >>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't
>> >>>>> hesitate to string them up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.
>> >>>
>> >>> That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity for
>> >>> as long as humanity has existed,
>> >>
>> >> No it hasn't, and...
>> >
>> > Scientific evidence rejects your position here.
>> 
>> Really? Jewish science, I bet.
>> 
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
>> >>> Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human sexuality.
>> >>
>> >> ... no it isn't. It's a perversion that is unacceptable to decent
>> >> people.
>> >
>> > That makes no sense. Most gay people ARE decent people.
>> 
>> No they aren't. They are vile creatures. Most pedophiles are also 
>> homosexuals.
>
>Sorry but you're way off here. Most pedophiles are heterosexual. Fact.

That is perfectly in accord with our criminal statistics here in
Toronto. Of the last 500 people to be charged with offences against
children, not even ONE has homosexual.

>> 
>> >> In
>> >> ancient Greece, you lost your citizenship for being a homosexual.
>> >
>> > LOL
>> >
>> > Where did you read that?
>> 
>> In the ancient sources, dear.
>> The myth linking Hellenism and homosexuality is the invention of pederasts 
>> who try to justify their morbid behavior by creating twistory. They do this 
>> because ancient Greece has been held to a high standard of civilization. 
>> Linking faggotry and the ancient greatness of Hellas then, would be perfect 
>> for the homosexuals' perverted agenda of normalizing their behavior. In 
>> Greece, a faggot was called "kinaidos", or "causer of shame."
>> 
>> Aeschines, "Kata Timarchou", 21
>> 
>> If any Athenian shall have 'Etairese' (same sex companionship) he shall not 
>> be permited to:
>> 
>> 1. Become one of the nine archons,
>> 2. Nor dischrge the office of priest,
>> 3. Nor to act as an advocate for the state,
>> 4. Nor shall he hold any office whatsoever at home or abroad, whether filled 
>> by lot or by election. He shall not be sent as herald.
>> 5. He shall not take part in debate, not take part in public sacrifices.
>> 6. He shall not enter within the limits of the place that has been purified 
>> for the assembling of the people. If any man has been convicted of these 
>> sexual acts contrary to these prohibitations, shall be put to death.
>> 
>> Demosthenes "Kata Androtionos" Paragraph 30
>> 
>> "nor shall they have the right to speak, nor to bring charge before the 
>> court."
>> 
>> Homosexuality being acceptable in Hellas is nothing but a myth. Like the 
>> Holocaust. Probably driven by the same pseudohistorians.
>> Faggotry is a crime against Nature and shall be punishable by death. Ta 
>> ta...
>> 
>> >>>> They think they
>> >>>> should be teaching in the schools.
>> >>>
>> >>> They have always been teaching in schools, just as they have always
>> >>> been in the military and in every other profession.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Iran TV
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ta7XpaK6Ak&feature=related
>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2GcpB2DQM&feature=related
>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nC9s4vfhok&feature=related
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:21 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Hitler's War on Christianity
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:30:11 -0500, Topaz 
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:44:09 -0500, Sara Salzman
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Sorry but you're way off here. Most pedophiles are heterosexual. Fact.
>
> Most Jews are liars. Fact.

Sara's alleged personality is irrelevant here. What she says is 100.0%
correct and you and Halle are 100.0% wrong.

>
>
>http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
>http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>
>http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html     


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT), communist
 wrote:

>Russians could have won regardless whoever at the western front;
>Americans and Allies couldn't even defeat the small number of
>elementary school children "soldiers" who Hitler had placed in western
>front.

The British and the Americans were only operating against a small
proportion of the German army, but they were not generally "elementary
school pupils" as you claim.

>
>Anyway, the final conclusion is Russian wiped out Hitler.

American money and supplies kept the USSR afloat, but it was the USSR
that made most of the sacrifices. This is typical for the British and
the Americans, however. They like to fight to the last drop of other
peoples' blood.

>It seems
>that Americans can't accept this solid fact.

It simply doesn't fit with their propaganda picture.

>Soviet Russians were the ones who fought a real war against Nazis,
>while the Americans and allies seduced and raped little girls (or
>maybe little boys too) and women in Europe.

The Russians were the number one rapists in Europe. It was official
policy of the USSR. The Americans were probably second in the rapist
category and the French third. The British were the most professional
and well behaved of the various principal allies.

>
>We can all watch WW2 documentary films on rented videos and clearly
>see the young German "troops" surrendered in western front were as
>young as 8 or 9 years old.

That is nonsense. The youngest members of the Berliner garrison that
defended the city against the USSR were in the 14 to 15 year range. No
people this young were used in the west.

>I am not surprised that some of them were
>wearing diapers. The reason Hitler placed little kids in western front
>was because he sent all the adults to fight Russian Communists, and he
>hoped that those little kids in Nazi uniforms would fool the American
>and Allied troops in the western front; Hitler succeed at fooling them
>for a while. Just the sight of little German kids in Nazi uniforms at
>a distance scared the pants off American and Allied troops.

> It took
>Americans days to get to Berlin after Hitler fell dead, this shows how
>incompetent Americans and western Allies were.

Actually, the Americans were there first, but they wisely let the USSR
take all the casualties of the siege.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:22 EDT 2008
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Subject: Re: Hitler's War on Christianity
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:34:02 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>communist (XL15@operamail.com) wrote:
>> Russians could have won regardless whoever at the western front;
>> Americans and Allies couldn't even defeat the small number of
>> elementary school children "soldiers" who Hitler had placed in western
>> front.
>
>
>Rofl. Russkies were getting their shit pushed in by the Germans before the 
>Yanks started resucitating them with financial and material aid.
>Russian soldiers were so bad that the jewish comissars frequently shot them 
>for fleeing the battle. 
>
The Russians arrived in Germany wearing rags around their feet and
bits and pieces of various uniforms. They were much more a rabble than
they were an army.

What they had going for them was a HUGE numerical advantage over the
defenders.


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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 16, 3:49 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 16, 9:23 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>> >wrote:
>> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> >> >> >> Nope. The homeland for 92% of your turds is Europe, garbageguz.<
>>
>> >> >> > No, that's YOUR homeland,
>>
>> >> >> Nope. 92% of the world's yids have NO historical connection with the
>> >> >> Middle
>> >> >> East. FACT!<
>>
>> >> > At least 50% of Jews have Middle Eastern blood, so you can shove your
>> >> > made up 92% figure where the sun don't shine.
>>
>> >> Nope. 92% garbageguz. With NO historical connection with the Middle East.
>> >> NONE.<
>>
>> >Whose ass did you pull out that ridiculous number from? Yours? How
>> >could you when it's stuffed full of renegade Jew cock? Keep waving
>> >around ridiculous figures. Maybe you'll get some Islamofascists to
>> >believe you. But you certainly won't get any genetic scientists to do
>> >so.
>>
>> LOL, garbageguz, most of those "Islamofascists" have more semitic DNA
>> in them than you or most Jews. <
>
>But they're not Jews, so they don't have any right to sovereignty over
>the Land of Israel.

Neither do you, of course, that that isn't part of your Zionist
propaganda, is it.

>I have no issue with Arabs or other semites who
>want control over Arabia or Syria, et al. Anyway, I didn't say
>anything about "semitic blood" but rather Israelite DNA.

There is no such thing as "Israelite DNA".

>
>>Do everybody a favour,<
>
>You want me to shoot you?
>
>> and stop
>> babbling in ridiculous Bush-speak.<
>
>I don't speak "Bush-speak."
>
>" Using terms like "Islamofascist"
>> makes you look like a complete airhead."
>
>No, it is the PERFECT description for regimes like that of Iran or
>Afghanistan under the Taliban  and such. Authoritarian regimes or
>movements that mix Islam and authoritarian state control are
>Islamofascist.

The term "Islamofascist" is totally devoid of meaning and tends to be
used by bigots and imbeciles.


From ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 22 11:16:22 EDT 2008
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:15:40 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Eli Grubman"  wrote in message 
>news:nmeea4tvhkn704v95je1bdm93e6e0o2ajp@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0700, "ßDoüg±Ç"  wrote:
>>
>>>"heinrich"  wrote in message
>>>news:6gnfb8Fgjid8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> More than 10 young Israelis were detained at the Ayia Napa resort in
>>>> Cyprus in recent days on charges of drunk driving and unruly behavior at
>>>> clubs and hotels.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several other Israeli youngsters were held at the Larnaca International
>>>> Airport after misbehaving and being rude to local police. Some of the
>>>> Israelis were sent back to Israel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Israel's embassy in Cyprus informed the Foreign Ministry that in recent
>>>> days it has been receiving almost daily reports about Israeli groups 
>>>> being
>>>> detained. In all cases, the youths in question traveled to Cyprus ahead 
>>>> of
>>>> their military service. According to the reports, the unruly behavior
>>>> starts at the airport upon arrival, with young Israelis swearing at 
>>>> local
>>>> police who reprimand them for misbehaving.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some of the youths are believed to be drunk on arrival to Cyprus after
>>>> consuming alcohol during the one-hour flight from Israel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several Israelis have been slapped with fines by Cypriot judges over 
>>>> their
>>>> reckless conduct. In one case, three Israelis were detained on suspicion
>>>> of stealing from another tourist at their hostel. However, the youths 
>>>> were
>>>> released after one of them informed a local judge his mother was killed 
>>>> in
>>>> a terror attack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Israeli embassy officials are warning that local officials' patience is
>>>> wearing thin and that unruly Israelis are expected to be punished
>>>> severely. However, travel agents in Israel say that the number of cases 
>>>> of
>>>> vandalism by Israeli youths is going down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Several years ago, not a day would go by without us receiving 
>>>> complaints
>>>> from hotels, rental car agencies, restaurants, and resort managers," a
>>>> travel agent who specializes in vacations for youths said. "However, in
>>>> the past two years, such cases have become rare and unusual. I think the
>>>> teenagers have matured. Some of them traveled abroad before with their
>>>> parents, and their behavior has improved."
>>>>
>>>
>>>OMFG! What an atrocity! How many people were killed? None. Ooops.
>>
>> A 'holocaust' you want already?
>
>Of course they do. They get off on persecution and being the perpetual 
>victim.
>
>
>
This project has been a spectacular financial success, and as long as
it continues to rake in the money, the fable will continue to be
pushed.


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:43:22 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:20:45 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:34:10 -0500, in
>>> , Sara Salzman
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>>  Gord McFee  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:48:02 -0400, in
>>>>> , "127.0.0.1" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:24:30 -0400
>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>>>>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on the
>>>>>>>>> subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had
>>>>>>>>> engineered): "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not
>>>>>>>>> scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own
>>>>>>>>> ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have
>>>>>>>>> gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage
>>>>>>>>> mixing different races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality,
>>>>>>>>> a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must
>>>>>>>>> return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of
>>>>>>>>> degenerates"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cool!!
>>>>>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't hesitate
>>>>>>>> to string them up.
>>>>>>> It seems to be a feature of primitive cultures and primitive
>>>>>>> religions. Homophobia is irrational superstition of the same sort that
>>>>>>> gave Europe the witch trials of the middle ages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can understand Himmler's hangup on this topic, since that is what he
>>>>>>> had been taught, but there isn't much excuse for a person in 2008 with
>>>>>>> more than a grade-school education to believe such nonsense.
>>>>>> Back in the olden days of America - 1970 before you and I were even born
>>>>>> homosexuality was classified as mental illness. Political Correctness
>>>>>> took hold and they changed the diagnoses. Homosexuality isn't normal
>>>>>> behaviour, yeah? Two men or two women can't reproduce, it's against
>>>>>> nature. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Homosexulaity is treatable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a girely male, shoot him up with Testosterone
>>>>>> Cypionate, and that would cure him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a man hating bull dyke, shoot the bitch up with
>>>>>> estrogen. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way, cure them with the above treatment of shove them back in
>>>>>> the closet.  
>>>>> On August 18, 2000, David E. Michael wrote, "On one side there will be
>>>>> the revisionists with well-argued, well-referenced articles of
>>>>> historical interest."
>>>> Yes, Baby Tommy is quite the example, isn't he?
>>> Yes, he even has E.., oops, I mean Johannes von Ebersdorf mad at him.
>> 
>> LOL, Gord. I'm not mad at either one of you. He offers nonsense on
>> human sexuality and you offer nonsense on both human sexuality
>
>I didn't know I had commented on human sexuality.

This is a pretty high volume newsgroup, so I can't remember individual
instances, but certainly your followers such as Nomen Blomen and a few
others are every bit as homophobic as any Nazi would have been. There
isn't much to choose between you and a Nazi when it comes to human
sexuality.

>
>> and on
>> European history.
>
>Such as...?

Try practically anything from the trash-bin known as Nizkor.

>
>> I have no obligation to buy into either of your
>> positions.
>
>Exactly.


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:00:24 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:36e958fd-cfc7-40fb-b6ba-e5ca82dce5bc@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 17, 8:30 am, Topaz  wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:44:09 -0500, Sara Salzman
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry but you're way off here. Most pedophiles are heterosexual. Fact.
>>
>> Most Jews are liars. Fact.
>>
>
>>If it's a "fact", you can prove it.
>
>Yep.
>
>Here's Ersatz israel's spokesperson in action.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHXj4n-ufl4 

Israelis (and Americans) have made prevarication into a fine art.


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:54:51 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 17, 5:54 am, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>> flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>> > On 15-Aug-2008, "Chris C. Larson"  wrote:
>>
>> >> Nefesh:
>> >> I'm guessing that you are a Muslim.
>>
>> > He is a psychiatric patient who sometimes goes off his meds.
>> > I am perfectly serious; he's not really a hatemonger.
>>
>> > Sowsan
>>
>> Well, yes he is, to tell the truth. An insane one, it's granted but full
>> of hate none the less.
>
>I cheerish my hatred especially when used to fight goyim like you.

You're a bad joke, Nefesh. Go play in traffic.


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 16, 7:42 am, "Chris C. Larson" 
>wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 7:41 pm, Gary Renzetti  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > NefeshYehudi wrote:
>> > > On Aug 15, 1:54 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> On Aug 15, 11:53 am, NefeshYehudi  wrote:
>>
>> > >>> That is correct Israelis your the best at everything, no brag just
>> > >>> fact.  You are God's chosen people that will build his Temple in
>> > >>> Jerusalem.  God chose you because you chose him which is more than I
>> > >>> can say for all the other nations that were offered the Torah.  The
>> > >>> Torah is the best law in existence and the way of life that the Torah
>> > >>> generates is better than any other way of life in existence.  You
>> > >>> outlived every nation on earth and you’ll be around for a long time to
>> > >>> come from generation to generation.
>> > >> Nefesh:
>> > >> I'm guessing that you are a Muslim. Let me enlighten you about the
>> > >> Torah. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Old Testament in Hebrew-
>> > >> its original version. Which makes the contents of the Torah a major
>> > >> pillar of Christianity.  On behalf of Christians and Jews, your
>> > >> sarcasm in the above statement is not appreciated.
>>
>> > > I'm a Jew were reading Prashat Va-Ethannan this Shabat.  I wasn't
>> > > making sarcasm in my statement.  Israelis are the best, no brag just
>> > > fact.  The day Islam comes to the realization that Jerusalem belongs
>> > > completely to the Jews so we can remove the useless Dome of the Rock
>> > > is the day you be able to stop wetting your Christian diaper.
>>
>> > Chris, you've got to make allowances for this nutbar. He's actually
>> > insane (by his own admission). He is Jewish, he is nuts, he is an
>> > asshole, he does suffer delusions of adequacy and he sometimes gets away
>> > from his handlers and goes off his medications.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> There are many who claim to be Jewish here, but I really doubt that he
>> is.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Chris I'm guessing your real name is Mohamad or Ali or some other
>fucked up Muslim name.

Your guess would be totally wrong. While I don't often agree with what
Chris says, he definitely is not Muslim nor is he anti-Jewish except
in your preposterous delusions.


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:22:13 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:30:11 -0500, Topaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:44:09 -0500, Sara Salzman
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but you're way off here. Most pedophiles are heterosexual.
>>>> Fact.
>>>
>>> Most Jews are liars. Fact.
>>
>> Sara's alleged personality is irrelevant here. What she says is 100.0%
>> correct and you and Halle are 100.0% wrong.
>
>And you are 100% confused, John boy... 
>
LOL, Halle, I'm not confused at all. I have spent most of my life
countering anti-German propaganda and countering hate-mongers such as
McFee. Your silly superstitions regarding human sexuality are a
serious liability in that fight, because your stupid sexual  rhetoric
leaves the impression that only ignorant cavemen and mental midgets
have a problem with the Anglo-American construct of history. 

Your rhetoric is so damaging, as a matter of fact, that one might be
tempted to believe that you are a plant of McFee and company whose
rhetoric is intended to discredit the people who don't believe in
Nizkor or McFee. 

Please stick to topics about which you understand something or go
away.


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:22:41 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:44:09 -0500, Sara Salzman
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> "halle"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0300, "halle" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>>>>>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on
>>>>>>>>>> the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm
>>>>>>>>>> (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
>>>>>>>>>> necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with
>>>>>>>>>> death, even within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these
>>>>>>>>>> words: "Just as we today have gone back to the ancient
>>>>>>>>>> Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different
>>>>>>>>>> races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality, a symptom of
>>>>>>>>>> degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must return to
>>>>>>>>>> the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cool!!
>>>>>>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't
>>>>>>>>> hesitate to string them up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity
>>>>>>> for as long as humanity has existed,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it hasn't, and...
>>>>>
>>>>> Scientific evidence rejects your position here.
>>>>
>>>> Really? Jewish science, I bet.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human sexuality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... no it isn't. It's a perversion that is unacceptable to decent
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes no sense. Most gay people ARE decent people.
>>>>
>>>> No they aren't. They are vile creatures. Most pedophiles are also
>>>> homosexuals.
>>>
>>> Sorry but you're way off here. Most pedophiles are heterosexual.
>>> Fact.
>>
>> That is perfectly in accord with our criminal statistics here in
>> Toronto. Of the last 500 people to be charged with offences against
>> children, not even ONE has homosexual.
>>
>
>Who wrote the statistics, John boy?

Courts in Ontario do keep records of all the proceedings, and they
always have. 

If you wish to rant on this topic, please go to
alt.politics.homosexuality but do not derail the discussions here with
irrelevancies of this sort. You are sounding more and more like a
McFee or McVay plant designed to discredit the revisionist side by
making them look like ignorant cretins and homophobic bigots.

>
>Hmm?
>
>>>>
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> ancient Greece, you lost your citizenship for being a homosexual.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did you read that?
>>>>
>>>> In the ancient sources, dear.
>>>> The myth linking Hellenism and homosexuality is the invention of
>>>> pederasts who try to justify their morbid behavior by creating
>>>> twistory. They do this because ancient Greece has been held to a
>>>> high standard of civilization. Linking faggotry and the ancient
>>>> greatness of Hellas then, would be perfect for the homosexuals'
>>>> perverted agenda of normalizing their behavior. In Greece, a faggot
>>>> was called "kinaidos", or "causer of shame."
>>>>
>>>> Aeschines, "Kata Timarchou", 21
>>>>
>>>> If any Athenian shall have 'Etairese' (same sex companionship) he
>>>> shall not be permited to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Become one of the nine archons,
>>>> 2. Nor dischrge the office of priest,
>>>> 3. Nor to act as an advocate for the state,
>>>> 4. Nor shall he hold any office whatsoever at home or abroad,
>>>> whether filled by lot or by election. He shall not be sent as
>>>> herald.
>>>> 5. He shall not take part in debate, not take part in public
>>>> sacrifices.
>>>> 6. He shall not enter within the limits of the place that has been
>>>> purified for the assembling of the people. If any man has been
>>>> convicted of these sexual acts contrary to these prohibitations,
>>>> shall be put to death.
>>>>
>>>> Demosthenes "Kata Androtionos" Paragraph 30
>>>>
>>>> "nor shall they have the right to speak, nor to bring charge before
>>>> the court."
>>>>
>>>> Homosexuality being acceptable in Hellas is nothing but a myth.
>>>> Like the Holocaust. Probably driven by the same pseudohistorians.
>>>> Faggotry is a crime against Nature and shall be punishable by
>>>> death. Ta ta...
>>>>
>>>>>>>> They think they
>>>>>>>> should be teaching in the schools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have always been teaching in schools, just as they have
>>>>>>> always been in the military and in every other profession.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iran TV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ta7XpaK6Ak&feature=related
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2GcpB2DQM&feature=related
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nC9s4vfhok&feature=related
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html 
>


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From: Johannes von Ebersdorf 
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:50 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:32:30 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0300, "halle" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>>>>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936 on
>>>>>>>>> the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm
>>>>>>>>> (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
>>>>>>>>> necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with
>>>>>>>>> death, even within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these
>>>>>>>>> words: "Just as we today have gone back to the ancient
>>>>>>>>> Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different
>>>>>>>>> races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality, a symptom of
>>>>>>>>> degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must return to
>>>>>>>>> the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cool!!
>>>>>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't
>>>>>>>> hesitate to string them up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity
>>>>>> for as long as humanity has existed,
>>>>>
>>>>> No it hasn't, and...
>>>>
>>>> Scientific evidence rejects your position here.
>>>
>>> Really? Jewish science, I bet.
>>
>> There is no such thing as "Jewish science", Halle. You are making
>> yourself look ridiculous with this line of discussion.
>
>There is... it's called "psychiatry"...

Medicine of any sort is not a "science" in the sense that physics or
chemistry are sciences. While there are indeed a significant number of
Jewish psychiatrists, it would be nonsense to characterize psychiatry
in numerous countries as "Jewish".

In any case, psychiatry still has a lot more credibility in this topic
than does the superstition that you are still pushing.

>
>>>>>> The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
>>>>>> Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human sexuality.
>>>>>
>>>>> ... no it isn't. It's a perversion that is unacceptable to decent
>>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> That makes no sense. Most gay people ARE decent people.
>>>
>>> No they aren't. They are vile creatures. Most pedophiles are also
>>> homosexuals.
>>
>> That is utter crap, Halle.
>
>Not so much so, John boy... 100% factual... homosexual pedophiles enjoy 
>buttfucking little boys... it's what they do, John boy...
>
>>>>> In
>>>>> ancient Greece, you lost your citizenship for being a homosexual.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Where did you read that?
>>>
>>> In the ancient sources, dear.
>>> The myth linking Hellenism and homosexuality is the invention of
>>> pederasts who try to justify their morbid behavior by creating
>>> twistory. They do this because ancient Greece has been held to a
>>> high standard of civilization. Linking faggotry and the ancient
>>> greatness of Hellas then, would be perfect for the homosexuals'
>>> perverted agenda of normalizing their behavior. In Greece, a faggot
>>> was called "kinaidos", or "causer of shame."
>>>
>>> Aeschines, "Kata Timarchou", 21
>>>
>>> If any Athenian shall have 'Etairese' (same sex companionship) he
>>> shall not be permited to:
>>>
>>> 1. Become one of the nine archons,
>>> 2. Nor dischrge the office of priest,
>>> 3. Nor to act as an advocate for the state,
>>> 4. Nor shall he hold any office whatsoever at home or abroad,
>>> whether filled by lot or by election. He shall not be sent as herald.
>>> 5. He shall not take part in debate, not take part in public
>>> sacrifices.
>>> 6. He shall not enter within the limits of the place that has been
>>> purified for the assembling of the people. If any man has been
>>> convicted of these sexual acts contrary to these prohibitations,
>>> shall be put to death.
>>>
>>> Demosthenes "Kata Androtionos" Paragraph 30
>>>
>>> "nor shall they have the right to speak, nor to bring charge before
>>> the court."
>>>
>>> Homosexuality being acceptable in Hellas is nothing but a myth. Like
>>> the Holocaust. Probably driven by the same pseudohistorians.
>>> Faggotry is a crime against Nature and shall be punishable by death.
>>> Ta ta...
>>>
>


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:41:32 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Joe Bruno (jbruno@indystart.com) wrote:
>> No. The Torah is the basic law of Judaism. The Talmud expands the law
>> and gives it more detail.
>> The Talmud is the source for the rituals Jews use and the requirements
>> for burial and other things
>> Rabbis need to know.
>
>Indeed. Here are some of those "other things":
>
>1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
>
>2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
>
>3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty 
>of death."
>
>4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious 
>relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew 
>what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
>
>5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the 
>rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will 
>violate this order shall be put to death."
>
>6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she 
>is three years of age."
>
>7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
>
>8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
>
>9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
>
>10. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the 
>money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent 
>consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
>
>11. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to 
>the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins 
>against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It 
>is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the 
>name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and 
>look upon them as honorable people."
>
>12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make 
>a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against 
> them."
>
>13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the 
>world are not human beings but beasts."
>
>14. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 
>2800 slaves."

LOL...I guess that explains why they are still waiting for the
Messiah.

>
>15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form 
>so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is 
>consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and 
>night."
>
>16. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be 
> violated."
>
>17. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
>
>18. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is 
>responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
>
>19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a 
>Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he 
>denounces."
>
>20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations 
>belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon 
>it without any scruples."
>
>21. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy 
>is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a 
>Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
>
>22. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and 
>blood of all nations."
>
>23. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his 
>clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn 
>deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a 
>Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that 
>passes has full right to seize it."
>
>24. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a 
>glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the 
>wine unclean."
>
>25. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year 
>be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow 
>which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
>


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:01:05 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:50 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:32:30 +0300, "halle" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0300, "halle" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:06 -0500, Topaz 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1"
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> Topaz  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech in 1936
>>>>>>>>>>> on the subject of homosexuality and execution of Ernst Roehm
>>>>>>>>>>> (which he had engineered): "Two years ago...when it became
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with
>>>>>>>>>>> death, even within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these
>>>>>>>>>>> words: "Just as we today have gone back to the ancient
>>>>>>>>>>> Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different
>>>>>>>>>>> races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality, a symptom of
>>>>>>>>>>> degeneracy which could destroy our race,  we must return to
>>>>>>>>>>> the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cool!!
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its true, they don't
>>>>>>>>>> hesitate to string them up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's cool too. Homosexual perverts corrupt society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is nonsense, Topaz. Homosexuality has been part of humanity
>>>>>>>> for as long as humanity has existed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it hasn't, and...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scientific evidence rejects your position here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? Jewish science, I bet.
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as "Jewish science", Halle. You are making
>>>> yourself look ridiculous with this line of discussion.
>>>
>>> There is... it's called "psychiatry"...
>>
>> Medicine of any sort is not a "science" in the sense that physics or
>> chemistry are sciences. While there are indeed a significant number of
>> Jewish psychiatrists, it would be nonsense to characterize psychiatry
>> in numerous countries as "Jewish".
>
>It's a historical fact, John boy...

It's a Halle hallucination.

>
>>
>> In any case, psychiatry still has a lot more credibility in this topic
>> than does the superstition that you are still pushing.
>
>I already showed you that ancient Greeks weren't a-ok with faggots... 
>homosexuality is a SIN against Nature... ta ta...

You've shown that you are clueless, but you haven't shown anything
about ancient Greece.

>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> The customs of individual societies are NOT laws of nature.
>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a harmless natural variation of human
>>>>>>>> sexuality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... no it isn't. It's a perversion that is unacceptable to decent
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That makes no sense. Most gay people ARE decent people.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they aren't. They are vile creatures. Most pedophiles are also
>>>>> homosexuals.
>>>>
>>>> That is utter crap, Halle.
>>>
>>> Not so much so, John boy... 100% factual... homosexual pedophiles
>>> enjoy buttfucking little boys... it's what they do, John boy...
>>>
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>> ancient Greece, you lost your citizenship for being a homosexual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did you read that?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the ancient sources, dear.
>>>>> The myth linking Hellenism and homosexuality is the invention of
>>>>> pederasts who try to justify their morbid behavior by creating
>>>>> twistory. They do this because ancient Greece has been held to a
>>>>> high standard of civilization. Linking faggotry and the ancient
>>>>> greatness of Hellas then, would be perfect for the homosexuals'
>>>>> perverted agenda of normalizing their behavior. In Greece, a faggot
>>>>> was called "kinaidos", or "causer of shame."
>>>>>
>>>>> Aeschines, "Kata Timarchou", 21
>>>>>
>>>>> If any Athenian shall have 'Etairese' (same sex companionship) he
>>>>> shall not be permited to:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Become one of the nine archons,
>>>>> 2. Nor dischrge the office of priest,
>>>>> 3. Nor to act as an advocate for the state,
>>>>> 4. Nor shall he hold any office whatsoever at home or abroad,
>>>>> whether filled by lot or by election. He shall not be sent as
>>>>> herald.
>>>>> 5. He shall not take part in debate, not take part in public
>>>>> sacrifices.
>>>>> 6. He shall not enter within the limits of the place that has been
>>>>> purified for the assembling of the people. If any man has been
>>>>> convicted of these sexual acts contrary to these prohibitations,
>>>>> shall be put to death.
>>>>>
>>>>> Demosthenes "Kata Androtionos" Paragraph 30
>>>>>
>>>>> "nor shall they have the right to speak, nor to bring charge before
>>>>> the court."
>>>>>
>>>>> Homosexuality being acceptable in Hellas is nothing but a myth.
>>>>> Like the Holocaust. Probably driven by the same pseudohistorians.
>>>>> Faggotry is a crime against Nature and shall be punishable by
>>>>> death. Ta ta... 
>


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:44:25 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:43:22 -0400, Gord McFee
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:20:45 -0400, Gord McFee
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:34:10 -0500, in 
>>>>> , Sara
>>>>> Salzman  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article , Gord
>>>>>> McFee  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:48:02 -0400, in 
>>>>>>> , "127.0.0.1"
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:24:30 -0400 Johannes von Ebersdorf
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400, "127.0.0.1"
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0500 Topaz
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Heinrich Himmler (Reichsfuhrer SS) said in a speech
>>>>>>>>>>> in 1936 on the subject of homosexuality and
>>>>>>>>>>> execution of Ernst Roehm (which he had engineered):
>>>>>>>>>>> "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did
>>>>>>>>>>> not scruple to strike this plague with death, even
>>>>>>>>>>> within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these
>>>>>>>>>>> words: "Just as we today have gone back to the
>>>>>>>>>>> ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage 
>>>>>>>>>>> mixing different races, so too in our judgement of
>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality, a symptom of degeneracy which could
>>>>>>>>>>> destroy our race,  we must return to the guiding
>>>>>>>>>>> Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates"
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cool!! Do you know they hang homo's in Iran? Its
>>>>>>>>>> true, they don't hesitate to string them up.
>>>>>>>>> It seems to be a feature of primitive cultures and
>>>>>>>>> primitive religions. Homophobia is irrational
>>>>>>>>> superstition of the same sort that gave Europe the
>>>>>>>>> witch trials of the middle ages.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I can understand Himmler's hangup on this topic, since
>>>>>>>>> that is what he had been taught, but there isn't much
>>>>>>>>> excuse for a person in 2008 with more than a
>>>>>>>>> grade-school education to believe such nonsense.
>>>>>>>> Back in the olden days of America - 1970 before you and I
>>>>>>>> were even born homosexuality was classified as mental
>>>>>>>> illness. Political Correctness took hold and they changed
>>>>>>>> the diagnoses. Homosexuality isn't normal behaviour,
>>>>>>>> yeah? Two men or two women can't reproduce, it's against 
>>>>>>>> nature.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Homosexulaity is treatable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you have a girely male, shoot him up with Testosterone
>>>>>>>>  Cypionate, and that would cure him.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you have a man hating bull dyke, shoot the bitch up
>>>>>>>> with estrogen.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Either way, cure them with the above treatment of shove
>>>>>>>> them back in the closet.
>>>>>>> On August 18, 2000, David E. Michael wrote, "On one side
>>>>>>> there will be the revisionists with well-argued,
>>>>>>> well-referenced articles of historical interest."
>>>>>> Yes, Baby Tommy is quite the example, isn't he?
>>>>> Yes, he even has E.., oops, I mean Johannes von Ebersdorf mad
>>>>> at him.
>>>> LOL, Gord. I'm not mad at either one of you. He offers nonsense
>>>> on human sexuality and you offer nonsense on both human sexuality
>>>> 
>>> I didn't know I had commented on human sexuality.
>> 
>> This is a pretty high volume newsgroup, so I can't remember
>> individual instances, but certainly your followers such as Nomen
>> Blomen and a few others are every bit as homophobic as any Nazi would
>> have been. There isn't much to choose between you and a Nazi when it
>> comes to human sexuality.
>
>I haven't commented on it because it is not relevant to this newsgroup.
>However, now that you ask, my views are similar to what you have been
>saying.

Well, there seems to be at least one thing on which we can agree.



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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:21:31 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:01:05 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>> It's a historical fact, John boy...
>>
>> It's a Halle hallucination.
>
>Not quite so... are you a faggot, oops, I mean a homosexual? 
>
Are you a cretin?


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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT), I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN
 wrote:

 [a lot of drivel ]

Take it to alt.politics.homosexuality


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:13:29 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"halle"  wrote in message 
>news:CDmqk.52313$_03.22928@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> Ariadne (ariadne.mac@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> On 18 Aug, 19:21, The UnaPoet  wrote:
>>>> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4959.htm
>>>>
>>>> Christians and Zion: British stirrings
>>>>
>>>> Part 1 in a series of 5 articles on Christian Zionism:
>>>>
>>>> Donald Wagner
>>>>
>>>> 10/09/03 (Daily Star) The British have had a long-term fascination
>>>> with the idea of Israel and its central role in biblical prophecy
>>>> that dates back to their earliest recorded literature. The Epistle of
>>>> Gildas (circa. 6th century AD) and the Venerable Bede's
>>>> Ecclesiastical History (735 AD) both saw the British as "the new
>>>> Israel," God's chosen people, who were destined to play a strategic
>>>> role despite repeated invasions by their Nordic neighbors. In the
>>>> British perception of being an elect, these battles were understood
>>>> in the context of Israel's battles against the Philistines,
>>>> Babylonians and others.
>>>>
>>>> A clear resurgence of such themes was evident in the 16th century,
>>>> perhaps influenced by the Protestant Reformation and its emphasis on
>>>> the Bible and varied interpretations of its texts, now that Rome had
>>>> lost its control over the new clergy and theologians. One of the
>>>> early expressions of fascination with the idea of Israel was the
>>>> monograph Apocalypsis Apocalypseos, written by Anglican clergyman
>>>> Thomas Brightman in 1585. Brightman urged the British people to
>>>> support the return of the Jews to Palestine in order to hasten a
>>>> series of prophetic events that would culminate in the return of
>>>> Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> In 1621, a prominent member of the British Parliament, attorney Henry
>>>> Finch, advanced a similar perspective when he wrote: "The (Jews)
>>>> shall repair to their own country, shall inherit all of the land as
>>>> before, shall live in safety, and shall continue in it forever."
>>>> Finch argued that based on his interpretation of Genesis 12:3, God
>>>> would bless those nations that supported the Jews' return. However,
>>>> his idea did not find support from fellow legislators.
>>>>
>>>> While these writers cannot be classified as Christian Zionists, they
>>>> might be viewed as proto-Christian Zionists, as they prepared the way
>>>> for those who would follow. Gradually their views receded, but the
>>>> turbulence following the American and French revolutions provoked
>>>> significant feelings of insecurity across Europe. As the anxiety rose
>>>> in the run-up to the centennial year at the beginning of the 19th
>>>> century, prophetic speculation concerning Jesus' return and related
>>>> events was in the air.
>>>>
>>>> During the decade that followed the year 1800, several Christian
>>>> writers and preachers began to reflect on the events leading to
>>>> Jesus' would-be imminent return, among them Louis Way, an Anglican
>>>> clergyman. Way taught that it was necessary for the Jews to return
>>>> to Palestine as the first stage prior to the Messianic Age, and he
>>>> offered speculation as to the timing of Jesus' second coming. Within
>>>> a short period of time, Way gained a wide readership through his
>>>> journal The Jewish Expositor, and counted many clergymen, academics
>>>> and the poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge as subscribers.
>>>>
>>>> A number of influential proto-Christian Zionists emerged in the
>>>> generation that followed Way. John Nelson Darby (1800-81), a renegade
>>>> Irish Anglican priest, added several unique features to Way's
>>>> teachings, including the doctrine of "the Rapture," whereby "born
>>>> again Christians" would be literally removed from history and
>>>> transferred to heaven prior to Jesus' return. Darby also placed a
>>>> restored Israel at the center of his theology, claiming that an
>>>> actual Jewish state called Israel would become the central
>>>> instrument for God to fulfill His plans during the last days of
>>>> history. Only true ("born again") Christians would be removed from
>>>> history prior to the final battle of Armageddon through the Rapture
>>>> ­ based on his literal interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
>>>>
>>>> Darby's extensive writings and 60-year career as a missionary
>>>> consolidated a form of fundamentalism called "premillennialism"
>>>> (Jesus would return prior to the Battle of Armageddon and his
>>>> millennial rule on earth). Darby made six missionary journeys to
>>>> North America, where he became a popular teacher and preacher. The
>>>> premillennial theology and its influence on Christian fundamentalism
>>>> and the emerging evangelical movement in the United States can be
>>>> directly traced to Darby's influence.
>>>>
>>>> Christian Zionism is the direct product of this unusual and recent
>>>> Western form of Protestant theology. Found primarily in North America
>>>> and England, it is now exported around the globe via satellite
>>>> television, the internet, best-selling novels such as the Left Behind
>>>> series, films and a new breed of missionaries. These unique doctrines
>>>> were found among fringe movements in Christianity throughout the
>>>> ages, which most Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant churches
>>>> regarded as extreme and marginal, if not heretical.
>>>>
>>>> One of the influential British social reformers to be influenced by
>>>> premillennial theology was Lord Shaftesbury, a conservative
>>>> evangelical Christian who was intimately linked to leading members of
>>>> the British Parliament. In 1839, Shaftesbury published an essay in
>>>> the distinguished literary journal the Quarterly Review, titled "The
>>>> State and Restoration of the Jews," where he argued: "(T)he Jews
>>>> must be encouraged to return (to Palestine) in yet greater numbers
>>>> and become once more the husbandman of Judea and Galilee." Writing
>>>> 57 years before Zionist thinkers Max Nordau, Israel Zangwill and
>>>> Theodor Herzl popularized the phrase, Shaftesbury called the Jews "a
>>>> people with no country for a country with no people." The saying was
>>>> curiously similar to that of the early Zionists, who described
>>>> Palestine as "a land of no people for a people with no land."
>>>> Gradually, Shaftesbury's views gained acceptance among British
>>>> journalists, clergy and politicians.
>>>>
>>>> One of the most important figures in the development of Christian
>>>> Zionism was the Anglican chaplain in Vienna during the 1880s, William
>>>> Hechler, who became an acquaintance of Herzl. Hechler saw Herzl and
>>>> the Zionist project as ordained by God in order to fulfill the
>>>> prophetic scriptures. He used his extensive political connections to
>>>> assist the Zionist leader in his quest for an international sponsor
>>>> of the Zionist project. Hechler arranged meetings with the Ottoman
>>>> sultan and the German kaiser, but it was his indirect contacts with
>>>> the British elite that led to a meeting with the politician Arthur
>>>> Balfour. That meeting in 1905 would eventually lead to Balfour's
>>>> November 1917 declaration on a Jewish homeland, which brought the
>>>> Zionists their initial international legitimacy. Balfour's keen
>>>> interest in Zionism was prepared at least in part by his Sunday
>>>> school faith, a case put forth by Balfour's biographer and niece,
>>>> Blanch Dugdale.
>>>>
>>>> Then-British Prime Minister David Lloyd-George was perhaps even more
>>>> predisposed to the Zionist ideology than Balfour. Journalist
>>>> Christopher Sykes (son of Mark Sykes, co-author of the Sykes-Picot
>>>> Agreement of 1916), noted in his volume Two Studies in Virtue that
>>>> Lloyd-George's political advisers were unable to train his mind on
>>>> the map of Palestine during negotiations prior to the Treaty of
>>>> Versailles, due to his training by fundamentalist Christian parents
>>>> and churches on the geography of ancient Israel. Lloyd-George
>>>> admitted that he was far more familiar with the cities and regions
>>>> of Biblical Israel than with the geography of his native Wales ­ or
>>>> of England itself.
>>>>
>>>> British imperial designs were undoubtedly the primary political
>>>> motivation in drawing influential British politicians to support the
>>>> Zionist project. However, it is clear that the latter were
>>>> predisposed to Zionism and to enthusiastically supporting the
>>>> proposals of Herzl and leading Zionist officials such as Chaim
>>>> Weizmann due to their Christian Zionist backgrounds. Balfour's
>>>> famous speech of 1919 makes the point: "For in Palestine we do not
>>>> propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the
>>>> present inhabitants of the country.The four great powers are
>>>> committed to Zionism, and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or
>>>> bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future
>>>> hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of
>>>> 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land."
>>>>
>>>> The phrases "rooted in age-long traditions" and "future hopes" were
>>>> perhaps grounded in Balfour's British imperial vision, but they were
>>>> also buttressed by his understanding of Bible prophecy, which
>>>> undergirded his bias toward the Zionist project as well as his grand
>>>> designs for Britain's colonialist policy.
>>>>
>>>> Part 2http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4930.htm
>>>>
>>>> Donald Wagner is professor of religion and Middle Eastern studies at
>>>> North Park University in Chicago and executive director of the Center
>>>> for Middle Eastern Studies.
>>>
>>> And don't forget that those "700,000 Arabs" -  not
>>> "Palestinians", just Arabs - occupied the land that is
>>> now Israel, The Territories AND Jordan.
>>
>> B'ullshit.
>
>It's all that ever comes from the fat, smelly, lying, ancient jew cunt.
>
>
>
>>
>> 
It amounts to the usual word games played by the holocaust™ lobby.
Arabs are not a monolithic group any more than Europeans are a
monolithic group. Belgians are Europeans, for example, but they are
not interchangeable with the neighbours, who also happen to be
Europeans.


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:28:45 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR
 wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGX6f9Rg130
>
>At 1:27, the man on top of the tank gives the Heil Hitler salute.
>
>Is he a Wehrmacht guy, or SS?
>
>And is he just doing it for the camera?
>
>Now there is the saying that Wehrmacht guys were rivals to SS guys,
>and the Wehrmacht didn't like Hitler. How true is this? Now that I
>think about it that guy might be an SS guy, he was in camoflauge tunic
>I think, only SS had camoflauge.
>
>Someone that knows I'd appreciate your input.

There were approximately 10 million members of the NSDAP out of a
population of 84 million in 1939. The Wehrmacht was a citizen's army
of conscripts, so some would certainly have been members of the NSDAP,
but the vast bulk would not have been. They were simply there because
they were conscripted.


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:13:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Barry Worthington"
 wrote:

>On Jul 28, 10:24 am, St Georges Day April 23rd
> wrote:
>> Pat Buchanan’s new book, Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War:
>> How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World, is causing a
>> stir,
>
>No it isn't! Most people consider it to be a load of unhistorical
>crap.....
>
>>which is a good thing. Buchanan argues that both World War I and
>> World War II were unnecessary wars;
>
>All wars ar unnecessary.....in hindsight....
>
>>that Britain bears at least as
>> much responsibility for both as Germany;
>
>Which is unhistorical and inaccurate....
>
>
> >that Winston Churchill was
>> "the indispensable man" in reducing Britain from a world-encircling
>> empire to "a cottage by the sea – to live out her declining years;"
>
>All on his own?
>
>> and that the consequence of the Western civil war that encompassed
>> both World Wars (I would add the Cold War as well) has been the fall
>> of the West.
>
>Well, I live in the E.U. Where does Mr. Buchanan reside?
>
>>
>> Buchanan is correct on all counts. His book represents a counterattack
>> in the necessary war, the war to introduce Americans to genuine
>> history. At present, most Americans know only a comic-book version of
>> history, one in which Germany deliberately started both World Wars as
>> part of a drive to conquer the world, a drive stopped when valiant
>> American armies defeated the German army.
>
>Well, some dumb Americans migh believe that. Name me a reputable
>historian (American or British) that does!
>
>> And, oh yes, some Brit named
>> Churchill beat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. Thanks to the
>> victories of the freedom-loving allies, we now live in the best of all
>> possible worlds, where everyone can be a "democracy."
>>
>> Nothing of the comic-book version of history is true, not even the
>> Battle of Britain bit.
>
>No?
>
>>Curiously, the key British records from the
>> Battle of Britain remain classified "secret"; it seems the RAF was on
>> the ropes.
>
>But we all know that! (Well those of us who know anything about the
>key turning point in the battle, that is....)
>
>
>> Buchanan goes after the rest of it with spirit and zest,
>> demolishing it utterly. As Colonel House told Woodrow Wilson after
>> talking extensively with Kaiser Wilhelm in 1915, the Kaiser neither
>> wanted nor expected war.
>
>Yes, that's true. But he got war...because he was an idiot....
>
> >I have seen the last, desperate telegram he
>> sent the Tsar, trying to avoid a general European war. He was mocked
>> for years before the war by many Germans as the "Peace Kaiser" because
>> in crisis after crisis he backed down. Kaiser Wilhelm knew, as did
>> Theodore Roosevelt, that a World War would cost the West its world
>> dominance.
>
>But he still got himself into a political position where war seemed
>the only alternative!
>
>> Because World War I was unnecessary, so was World War II, which was
>> really a resumption of World War I. Buchanan goes further and argues
>> that had Britain and France not offered a wildly imprudent guarantee
>> to Poland in the spring of 1939, there would have been no war in the
>> West.
>
>But Hitler would have ended up in charge of Europe!

He got that opportunity because of the war initiated by Britain and
France with the USA conniving in the background.

Without the war, Hitler would have been a local phenomenon in Germany.
The allied "world conquest" stuff is just nonsense.

>
>
>> Hitler wanted to fight Stalin, not the Western powers. That too
>> is true, but Buchanan makes one assumption I am not so sure of, namely
>> that Germany would have defeated the USSR. As it was, World War II was
>> fought mostly in the east, and it was the Red Army, not the
>> comparatively small British and American armies, that defeated the
>> Wehrmacht. Could Stalin have done it alone? Maybe.
>
>So what?
>
>>
>> In both World Wars, the U.S. came out a winner because it left most of
>> the fighting to others. In World War I, Germany was defeated by the
>> (under international law, illegal) starvation blockade. The French
>> army bore the brunt of the war in the west. Buchanan’s debunking of
>> Churchill is thorough and valuable. Churchill was brilliant, forceful,
>> imprudent, and often wrong. A howler for war both in 1914 and 1939, he
>> may not have sought to preside over the dissolution of the British
>> Empire, but it was his own fault he did so.
>
>What was more important? The Empire or the defeat of the Nazis?
>
>
>>Prudence, which means
>> evaluating prospective actions in terms of their probable long-term
>> effects, is conservatives’ first political principle, and the debacles
>> created by Churchill illustrate why. At heart, he was far more Whig
>> than Tory. Burke would have loathed him.
>
>So what? Who cares?
>
>>
>> Buchanan’s historical revisionism is welcome on several counts. The
>> neo-cons have elevated an unhistorical Churchill into the patron of
>> interventionism, selling him in Washington and elsewhere like saints’
>> bones. It is a snare for the simple, with George W. Bush numbered
>> among them.
>
>That's their problem....
>
>>
>> Debunking comic-book history and replacing it with the real thing is
>> vital if America is to avoid the dual trap of cultural Marxism and
>> Brave New World. As ideologues and totalitarians everywhere have long
>> known, if you can cut a people off from their past, you can do
>> whatever you want with them. We need a similar debunking of the comic
>> book history of the Civil War now fed to Americans, in which it was
>> all about slavery.
>
>What comic book history? Are you suggesting that your leaders are
>stupid and uneducated? (Whoops!!!!!!)
>
>> Buchanan’s relevance comes from the sad fact that America is now
>> duplicating Churchill’s central error, imprudence. We have entered
>> into two wars with little thought for their long-term consequences.
>> Washington hands out guarantees, similar to Britain’s to Poland, all
>> over the world like penny candy, with no consideration of where they
>> may lead. We give less thought to the potential future consequences of
>> our actions than the average Mayfly. All that matters is receiving the
>> applause of dunces and pleasing the SMEC.
>>
>> Britain did the same thing twice, in 1914 and 1939. It is perhaps not
>> too much to infer that Little England will be followed by Little
>> America.
>
>Please thake this garbage somewhere else....
>
>Dr. Barry worthington
>
>>
>> July 3, 2008
>>
>> William Lind is an analyst based in Washington, DC.
>>
>> http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind142.htmlwww.ihr.org


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:52:00 +0300, "halle" 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:21:31 +0300, "halle" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:01:05 +0300, "halle" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> It's a historical fact, John boy...
>>>>
>>>> It's a Halle hallucination.
>>>
>>> Not quite so... are you a faggot, oops, I mean a homosexual?
>>>
>> Are you a cretin?
>
>Do you suck dicks, John boy? 
>
What is your interest, Idiot-boy?


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:41 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Du solltet mehre Studieren um über die Geschichte der Polen Studieren. Die 
>damaligen Volks deutschen lebten in der Gegend schon für über 800 Jahren. 
>Poland genauso wie Deutschland war damals Unter Römischer controlle.

Eigentlich war Deutschland nie under römischer Kontrolle. Der Sieg
Armins beschränkte die römische Herrschaft auf das linke Rheinufer and
südlich von den Main.

Um das Jahr 1000 war das Gebiet Polens unter deutscher
Lehnsherrschaft.


> Als das 
>Land später aufgeteilt wurden die deutsch Unter die Kontrolle eins 
>Polnischen König regiert. Es waren schon immer die polen welche immer wieder 
>die Deutschen gehetzt haben. Nach dem ersten Weltkrieg wurden die 
>volkdeutschen gebiete den Polen Geschenkt. Und es war ihnen nicht erlaubt 
>eine represention nach Versailles zu senden. Es gab fast keinen Tag wen die 
>deutschen nicht drangsaliert wurden. Gar kein wunder des sich die deutschen 
>alles gefallen lassen mußten. Auf Deutsche wurde von denn Deutsche immer 
>geschossen als sie durch denn polnischen Korridor gereist sind. Polen 
>welches die Unterstützung der Engländer hatten haben sich damit gespielt und 
>sie waren es ja welche durch ihre Spielerei da Instrument waren um für 
>England eine Krieg anzuzünden.
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"ANDREAS GUMTOW"  wrote in message 
>news:ln124igebxzo$.a8vt4559nuts.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Am Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:46:59 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Calimero:
>>
>>> On 18 Aug., 13:40, Andreas Bockelmann  wrote:
>>>> Am 2. April [1939] wurden 8 Mitglieder des deutschen Sportklubs in Kl.
>>>> Komorsk, Kr. Schwetz, auf dem Hofe des Volksdeutschen Pankratz von Polen
>>>> überfallen, die mit Knüppeln sowie Dreschflegeln auf die Deutschen
>>>> einschlugen. Ein Niedergeschlagener wurde in die Jauchegru-be gestoßen.
>>>> Pankratz wurde so zugerichtet, daß der Arzt ihn für 6 Wochen für
>>>> arbeitsunfähig erklärte. Am Tage darauf wurde Pankratz von der Polizei
>>>> verhaftet.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Och, in Polen geschah wenig später noch anderes.
>>> Die Doitschen ermordeten 6 Millionen Juden.
>>>
>>> Aber das interessiert dich ja nicht so.
>>> Gelle, Drecksnazi?
>>>
>>>
>>> "McCain" Calimero
>>
>> Was die braunen Deustchen den Polen angetan haben wird nur zugern von dem
>> braunen Gesindel hier unter den Tisch gekehrt.
>>
>> Zum Glück haben die damit keinen Erfolg.
>>
>>
>>
>> Freundliche Grüße
>>
>>
>> Andreas Gumtow
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> R E C H T S R A D I K A L E   S I N D   A S O Z I A L E R   D R E C K 
>


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:21:56 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ceglar
 wrote:

>On 19 Aug., 18:33, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> Du solltet mehre Studieren um über die Geschichte der Polen Studieren. Die
>> damaligen Volks deutschen lebten in der Gegend schon für über 800 Jahren.
>> Poland genauso wie Deutschland war damals Unter Römischer controlle.
>
>Du solltest die Geschichte noch genauer studieren, weil die Römer nie
>da waren.
>Weder waren die Römer jemals in Polen, noch haben sie "Deutschland"
>kontrolliert.
>Und vor 800 Jahren waren die Römer schon Geschichte.

Die germanischen Völker waren schon hunderte von Jahren ansässig bevor
Slawen in Europa überhaupt erwähnt wurden. Slawen sind Neukömmlinge in
Europa.

>Und östlich der Ebe waren die slawischen Völker zuerst da.
>Polen wurde vor mehr als  1000 Jahren gegründet.
>
>Hier kannst du noch gucken was damals (843)  Deutschland war:
>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Treaty_of_Verdun.svg
>Das Reich Ludwig des Deutschen entsprach in etwa dem Gebiet der alten
>BRD vor der Wiedervereinigung.

Das ist Unsinn. Die Franken haben Thüringen schon im Jahre 531
einverleibt. Das Reich Karls des Grossen umfaßte mehr als eine Million
km², also das ganze westliche Europa einschließlich der heutigen
Tschechei.

>
>Gruß
>Michael


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:47:01 +0000 (UTC), TallHenry
 wrote:

>          Yo everybody:  watch these two nazi shitheads slug it out!

The only shithead on this newsgroup is you. There isn't much to
distinguish you from Halle. You have the same Nazi ideas as he has,
except that your target is different.

Essentially, you are scum.

>
>          LOL oh LOL!
>
>
>In article ,
>halle  wrote:
>
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf (ebersdorf2@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:21:31 +0300, "halle" 
>>> wrote:
>
>>>> Not quite so... are you a faggot, oops, I mean a homosexual?
>
>>> Are you a cretin?
>
>> Do you suck dicks, John boy? 


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 19, 5:28 am, LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGX6f9Rg130
>>
>> At 1:27, the man on top of the tank gives the Heil Hitler salute.
>>
>> Is he a Wehrmacht guy, or SS?
>>
>> And is he just doing it for the camera?
>>
>> Now there is the saying that Wehrmacht guys were rivals to SS guys,
>> and the Wehrmacht didn't like Hitler. How true is this? Now that I
>> think about it that guy might be an SS guy, he was in camoflauge tunic
>> I think, only SS had camoflauge.
>>
>> Someone that knows I'd appreciate your input.
>
>Wehrmacht refers to the German armed forces.  The army is called the
>'Heer'.  I wonder if you could say that soldiers serving in the Waffen
>SS also served in the Wehrmacht?

Wehrmacht is literally "defence force", the same title that Israel
gives its armed forces.

"Sich wehren" is to defend oneself.


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ceglar
 wrote:

>On 20 Aug., 00:40, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> Ob du es nun glaubst oder nicht
>
>Das ist keine Frage des "Glaubens"
>
>> die gegen war Unter Römischer Kontrolle
>
>Niemals:
>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Roman_Republic_Empire_map_edited.gif
>
>
>>und
>> der Polnische statt existiert erst seit 1916.
>
>Blödsinn
>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polen#Vorhistorische_Zeit_und_Gr.C3.BCndung

Poland was a failed state that vanished from the map of Europe towards
the end of the eighteenth century. It was recreated by the German
Emperor in 1917 following the defeat of Russia.

>
>>Die Verwaltung der
>> europäischen Gebietes wurde von den Österreichern für das Römische System
>> Verwaltet und der deutsche Kaiser war bis 1916 für das Römische reich
>> verantwortlich.
>
>Käse.
>
>>Erzähle uns dann einmal wie lange die sudeten Deutschen in
>> der Tschechischen gebadeten gelebt hatten.
>
>Mir dem Satz kann ich leider nichts anfangen. Wenn du kein deutsch
>kannst, ich verstehe es auch in englisch (was bei dir vermutlich auch
>nicht besser ist)
>
>Gruß
>Michael


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:29:29 -0400, Tim Miller
 wrote:

>Topaz wrote:
>>  
>>     It's easy to prove that the media is a pack of liars. If they were
>> not liars they would tell people that Hitler believed that the Jews
>> controlled the media. Why don't they?
>
>Because Hitler was ALMOST as big an idiot as you?
>
>> Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:
>
>No one cares what that cowardly homosexual criminal had
>to say, naziboi.

No many people care about the retarded opinions of the homophobic
bigot who calls himself Tim Miller.

It is really unlikely that Hitler was homosexual except in the
demented delusions of silly American authors like those who wrote
trash history such as "The Pink Swastika".


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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:03:54 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
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>On Aug 17, 6:26 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>...
>
>> >I have no issue with Arabs or other semites who
>> >want control over Arabia or Syria, et al. Anyway, I didn't say
>> >anything about "semitic blood" but rather Israelite DNA.
>>
>> There is no such thing as "Israelite DNA".<
>
>DNA that can be traced to the population living in Judea in Roman
>times is referred to as "Israelite DNA." I
>
>> >>Do everybody a favour,<
>>
>> >You want me to shoot you?
>>
>> >> and stop
>> >> babbling in ridiculous Bush-speak.<
>>
>> >I don't speak "Bush-speak."
>>
>> >" Using terms like "Islamofascist"
>> >> makes you look like a complete airhead."
>>
>> >No, it is the PERFECT description for regimes like that of Iran or
>> >Afghanistan under the Taliban  and such. Authoritarian regimes or
>> >movements that mix Islam and authoritarian state control are
>> >Islamofascist.
>>
>> The term "Islamofascist" is totally devoid of meaning and tends to be
>> used by bigots and imbeciles.<
>
>It's  a perfectly apt term, just like Italian fascism or German
>Nazism. It refers to a fanatical religious ideology that would impose
>theocratic Islamic rule everywhere. Those who don't fathom it are
>imbeciles.
>
That's nice, but it simply isn't what fascism was about. Fascism was a
political manifestation within industrialized societies and it was
characterized by nationalism. It wasn't religious and it wasn't
international. The Arab countries are not industrialized societies and
Islam is international rather than national. Your use of the term
"fascist" is absurd.

You are nothing more than the same kind of petty bigot that you like
to excoriate.


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:25:56 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
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>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:22cdd6b7-01d3-47cb-a816-01ec2860ee19@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 17, 6:26 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>> >I have no issue with Arabs or other semites who
>>> >want control over Arabia or Syria, et al. Anyway, I didn't say
>>> >anything about "semitic blood" but rather Israelite DNA.
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as "Israelite DNA".<
>>
>> DNA that can be traced to the population living in Judea in Roman
>> times is referred to as "Israelite DNA." I
>
>But it can't be traced to you AshkeNAZI turds, garbageguz.
>
>
>
It also remains to be shown that the population of Judea in Roman
times was a homogeneous group with a characteristic DNA. The people of
Judea were not Israelites, since that tribe became exinct in 586BC.
The only connection between the people of Israel and the people who
inhabited Judea in Roman times was religion. It is much the same story
as the fact that there is no connection between modern Egyptians and
the people who built the pyramids, other than that they inhabit the
same terrain.




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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:37:33 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>B.H. Cramer  wrote:
>
>> But it can't be traced to you AshkeNAZI turds, garbageguz.
>
>Can YOU be traced to anyone who lived in Australia 1,000
>years ago,  turd?  Can you be traced to anything resembling
>a human being 1,000 years ago?

Australia is not a tribal state, and hence there is no characteristic
Australian DNA. Jews are not an ethnicity either, Hitler's opinions to
the contrary notwithstanding. There is no such thing as "Jewish" DNA,
and there cannot be. Jews come in all ethnicities and all colours. The
defining connection is religious superstition, not ethnicity.



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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:08:50 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
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>On Aug 20, 5:25 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:22cdd6b7-01d3-47cb-a816-01ec2860ee19@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 6:26 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>> > ...
>>
>> >> >I have no issue with Arabs or other semites who
>> >> >want control over Arabia or Syria, et al. Anyway, I didn't say
>> >> >anything about "semitic blood" but rather Israelite DNA.
>>
>> >> There is no such thing as "Israelite DNA".<
>>
>> > DNA that can be traced to the population living in Judea in Roman
>> > times is referred to as "Israelite DNA." I
>>
>> But it can't be traced to you AshkeNAZI turds, garbageguz.<
>
>It has been very much so, you fucking stupid asshole of a dumb goy.

There is no Jewish DNA just as there is no Mormon DNA.


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:45:32 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:c5fdcd2b-dee5-442f-a859-daf6c51ade44@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 20, 5:25 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:22cdd6b7-01d3-47cb-a816-01ec2860ee19@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 17, 6:26 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT),jgarbuz
>>
>> > ...
>>
>> >> >I have no issue with Arabs or other semites who
>> >> >want control over Arabia or Syria, et al. Anyway, I didn't say
>> >> >anything about "semitic blood" but rather Israelite DNA.
>>
>> >> There is no such thing as "Israelite DNA".<
>>
>> > DNA that can be traced to the population living in Judea in Roman
>> > times is referred to as "Israelite DNA." I
>>
>> But it can't be traced to you AshkeNAZI turds, garbageguz.<
>
>>It has been very much so,
>
>Afraid not, garbageguz.
>
>The only way those two hebe "scientists" were able to get a match was to go 
>as far back as the goddamned apes, ferchrissake.
>
Jews do share more than 98% of their genetic coding with a chimp, but
then so do all other humans.  :-)


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:15:04 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 19, 10:58 pm, "V"  wrote:
>> Lying zionazi pig ,Anti-zionist  Jews oppose your designs in the stolen land
>> of Palestine.http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm<
>
>Fuck them and fuck you, and take them with you to Arabia where you
>have plenty of room to develop a new "Palestine."
>There is no room in the Land of Israel for "Palestine." "Palestine" is
>a myth,

The "Land of Israel" is a silly religious myth, just like the escape
>from Egypt which it has been shown to be extremely unlikely ever to
have happened.





> just like the other 1001 Arabian fairy tale stories. There
>never was a state called "Palestine" and never will be in the future,
>because the crazy Arabs there are savages who kill each other when
>they are not busy killing Jews. Hamas and Fatah will kill each other
>off until there are no "Palestinians" left. Give it up, and get over
>it. It's a lost case, so get on with your life.


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:20 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:3b0862d9-4b3d-4ae2-aa31-bf8b85caf57e@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 19, 10:58 pm, "V"  wrote:
>>> Lying zionazi pig ,Anti-zionist Jews oppose your designs in the stolen 
>>> land
>>> of 
>>> Palestine.http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm<
>
>>Fuck them and fuck you, and take them with you to Arabia where you
>>have plenty of room to develop a new "Palestine."
>>There is no room in the Land of Israel for "Palestine."
>
>The world is aware of that. Just as the world is aware of the fact the Jews 
>stole Palestine from the Arabs.
>
>
>
>
There is no room in Palestine for the mythical "Land of Israel".
Israel will eventually suffer the same fate as the various Crusader
states on that site in the middle ages.

The Zionist state is a colonialist anachronism.



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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:40:38 -0700 (PDT), jgarbuz
 wrote:

>On Aug 20, 10:02 pm, "Truth Will Out" 
>wrote:
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:3b0862d9-4b3d-4ae2-aa31-bf8b85caf57e@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 19, 10:58 pm, "V"  wrote:
>>
>> >> Lying zionazi pig ,Anti-zionist Jews oppose your designs in the stolen
>> >> land
>> >> of
>> >> Palestine.http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm<
>> >Fuck them and fuck you, and take them with you to Arabia where you
>> >have plenty of room to develop a new "Palestine."
>> >There is no room in the Land of Israel for "Palestine."
>>
>> The world is aware of that. Just as the world is aware of the fact the Jews
>> stole Palestine from the Arabs.<
>
>Only that part of the world with a less than average IQ. You repeat a
>lie often enough and long enough the dullards will believe it.
>Thankfully, the stupid are no real threat.

Israelis must be dreadfully stupid to believe silly superstitions like
Judaism and to knock their heads against old walls in some crackpot
belief in magic.


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:46:38 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
>news:3b0862d9-4b3d-4ae2-aa31-bf8b85caf57e@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 19, 10:58 pm, "V"  wrote:
>> Lying zionazi pig ,Anti-zionist Jews oppose your designs in the stolen 
>> land
>> of Palestine.http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm<
>
>>Fuck them and fuck you, and take them with you to Arabia where you
>>have plenty of room to develop a new "Palestine."
>
>They don't want a new Palestine, garbageguz. They want their homes and farms 
>back. The homes and farms many still have deeds of title to. The homes and 
>farms the stinky yids swiped.
>
>
>
Israel is just another vile example of ethnic cleansing. Zionism was a
racist concept from the outset.


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT), "dsharavi@gmail.com"
 wrote:

>> > >>>On Aug 15, 2:54 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
>> > >>>wrote:
>> > >>>>>Nefesh:
>> > >>>>I'm guessing that you are a Muslim. Let me enlighten you about the
>> > >>>>Torah. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Old Testament in Hebrew-
>> > >>>>its original version.
>
>> On Aug 17, 12:33 am, "dshar...@gmail.com" 
>> wrote:
>> > Torah most often, though not always, refers to the five books of
>> > Moses. When one is called in synagogue to read from the Torah, it
>> > never means anything but these five.
>
>> > >>>>Which makes the contents of the Torah a major
>> > >>>>pillar of Christianity.
>
>> > Without the "old testament", there is no "new testament", and
>> > therefore, no Christianity. The same holds true for Islam, which is
>> > also based on the "new testament" as well as the "new testament",
>> > although with substantial alterations and simplifications.
>
>On Aug 17, 3:32 pm, HHW  wrote:
>> Absent the life of Christ there would be no Christianity.
>
>That, too.
>
>>Beyond that is speculation.
>
>Christianity, like Islam, rests on the “Old Testament”.

That isn't quite true. Christians generally ignore the Old Testament
with the exception of those parts that relate to a future Messiah.

As Martin Luther put it five hundred years ago: "The Old Testament is
the straw in which the Christ child is embedded".

Only brain-dead American fundies make a big deal out of the Old
Testament. In essence, American fundamentalism is just stale,
warmed-over Judaism.



>
>> > >>On Aug 15, 11:11 pm, HHW wrote:
>> > >>>The Torah is essentially the Old Testament.
>
>> clip
>
>Clip restored:
>“The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different
>things
>in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to
>the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and
>Deuteronomy.
>
>> >  But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the
>> > entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the
>> > Old Testament
>
>> This was my meaning.
>
>Then, for purposes of clarification, you should have used the more
>familiar “Old Testament”, or at least “Jewish bible”, rather than
>attempting use of a word without knowing what it means.
>
>> Clip.
>
>Clip restored.
>“…and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its
>broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings...In
>addition to the written scriptures we have an "Oral Torah," a
>tradition explaining what the above scriptures mean and how to
>interpret them and apply the Laws.”
>Judaism 101 - Torah
>http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm
>
>> > >>>Tell me, given the fact
>> > >>>that the core of Christianity lies in the New Testament, isn't it a
>> > >>>bit strange that Europe ultimately adopted both as infallible
>> > >>>Christian doctrine?
>
>> > When, exactly, both the "old testament" and "new testament" were
>> > adopted by Europe as "infallible Christian doctrine" is a mystery.
>
>> What I should have said was  "adopted by *the Christian Church* at a
>> time when Christianity was already well established in Europe.
>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Synod of Laodicea (4th Century)
>> Historical Introduction
>
>As should have been noted, this is from http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
>
>It fails to answer the question when, exactly, were both the "old
>testament" and "new testament" adopted by the Christian Church as
>"infallible Christian doctrine"?
>
>> The holy synod which assembled at Laodicea in Phrygia Pacatiana, from
>> various regions of Asia; set forth the ecclesiastical definitions
>> which are hereunder annexed.
>
>> Clip
>
>> Canon 59
>> No psalms composed by private individuals nor any uncanonical books
>> may be read in the church, but only the Canonical Books of the Old and
>> New Testaments.
>
>Canon 59 presupposes that the Canonical Books of the Old and New
>Testaments have already been “adopted by the Christian Church” -- one
>of them at least – but fails to answer when, exactly, Europe “adopted
>both as infallible Christian doctrine.”
>
>> These are all the books of Old Testament appointed to be read: 1,
>> Genesis of the world; 2, The Exodus from Egypt; 3, Leviticus; 4,
>> Numbers; 5, Deuteronomy; 6, Joshua, the son of Nun; 7, Judges, Ruth;
>> 8, Esther; 9, Of the Kings, First and Second; 10, Of the Kings, Third
>> and Fourth; 11, Chronicles, First and Second; 12, Esdras, First and
>> Second; 13, The Book of Psalms; 14, The Proverbs of Solomon; 15,
>> Ecclesiastes; 16, The Song of Songs; 17, Job; 18, The Twelve Prophets;
>> 19, Isaiah; 20, Jeremiah, and Baruch, the Lamentations, and the
>> Epistle; 21, Ezekiel; 22, Daniel.
>
>> And these are the books of the New Testament: Four Gospels, according
>> to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; The Acts of the Apostles; Seven
>> Catholic Epistles, to wit, one of James, two of Peter, three of John,
>> one of Jude; Fourteen Epistles of Paul, one to the Romans, two to the
>> Corinthians, one to the Galatians, one to the Ephesians, one to the
>> Philippians, one to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, one to
>> the Hebrews, two to Timothy, one to Titus, and one to Philemon.
>> This comes from a Roman Catholic encyclopedia, The Advent.
>
>It comes from the New Advent website at
>http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm
>but says nothing about when Europe adopted both the Old and New
>Testaments as “infallible Christian doctrine.” When did that happen?
>
>> > Christians believe that, as the Messiah, Jesus was anointed by God as
>> > ruler and *savior of humanity,* (emphasis added) and hold that Jesus' coming was the
>> > fulfillment of messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. The
>> > Christian concept of the Messiah differs significantly from the
>> > contemporary Jewish concept. The core Christian belief is that,
>> > through the death and resurrection of Jesus, sinful humans can be
>> > reconciled to God and thereby are offered salvation and the promise of
>> > eternal life...Christians consider the resurrection of Jesus to be the
>> > cornerstone of their faith (see 1 Corinthians 15) and the most
>> > important event in human history.
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity#Beliefs
>
>> > >>>RIght down to that charming Israelite genocide of
>> > >>>the Caananites.
>
>> > When did that happen?
>
>> It could not have happened as described in the Torah, so perhaps
>> never.
>
>The statement “charming Israelite genocide of the Caananites” implies
>that it happened, irrespective of any biblical description.
>
>>But it is a part of the mythos of the Old Testament which I
>> believe Christianity could have done very well without.
>
>It isn't any “a part of the mythos of the Old Testament”, as a reading
>of those books would indicate.
>
>>There are numerous other examples in the Book.
>
>Like the “charming genocide of the Cananites” which never happened?
>
>>It features an extremely wrathful
>> and vengeance-prone God in a sanguinary narrative filled with ugly
>> images which I simply feel are inconsistent with Christ's universal
>> humanism.
>
>This is only subjective opinion, which is based, apparently, on a
>nodding acquaintance with the books of the “Old Testament”.
>
>>If Christ was a humanist, so was God. How could anyone fail
>> to see this disjunct?
>
>The one doesn't necessarily follow the other. It's highly debatable
>whether one can be described as a “humanist” who said “I come not to
>bring peace but a sword.”
>
>> > >>>Why don't we just reverse that strange decision?
>
>> > lol
>
>> That's appropriate. It was tongue in cheek, about reversing it, but
>> not about it being strange as a  command from a Christian God. The
>> latter is my point.
>
>The deity you are castigating isn't a Christian god.
>
>> > >>>Christianity would certainly be more Christian and Judaism would be a
>> > >>>fully separate faith.
>
>> > Judaism was a fully separate faith well over a millennium before
>> > Christianity came into existence.
>
>> Yes, but objectively speaking, and following your argument, it has its
>> cousinly branch, Christianity, hence the term Judeo-Christian.
>>It doesn't matter whether the Jews have excommunicated the Christians.
>> Historically they are cousins.
>
>Historically, Christianity is the direct descendant of Judaism.
>Unfortunately, for early Christians – who were all Jews – Greek
>mysticism wedded Jewish eschatology, and the marriage hasn't proved a
>happy one. You're right about it not mattering “whether the Jews have
>excommunicated the Christians.” Jews never did. There was no need to
>“excommunicate”, so to speak, those who were never Jews in the first
>place, especially after Christianity separated itself from its parent
>faith in the 2ndC CE.
>
>> > And the latter began its existence
>> > as a Jewish sect -- one whose early adherent didn't want to open it to
>> > non-Jews.
>
>> That's contradictory as you say that Jesus was seen as the "Savior of
>> Humanity," not just of Jews.
>
>Ir's not contradictory, as I never said anything of the sort. That is
>from the Wiki quote as to Christian beliefs – to which you added the
>emphasis, but failed to note that you did so. The link to the Wiki
>article above was clearly provided.
>
>>It's also inconsistent with the basic
>> evangelical nature of Christianity.
>
>It isn't. Judaism at the time also had its evangelists, as did
>Buddhism; it was only later, when Christianity became the official
>religion, and was attempting to eradicate Judaism, that Jews were
>prohibited from missionizing.
>
>> > The statement that "Christianity would certainly be more
> > > Christian" with the reversal of some "strange decision" regarding
>so-
>> > called "Canaanites" argues a profound ignorance of both.
>
>> The decision did not relate to the Canaanites per se,  it related to
>> the formal adoption of the Christian Canon by Church fathers.
>
>No Church fathers were, or are, likely to reverse some “decision” made
>by their deity thousands of years previously, fictitious as that
>“decision”may have been, and they would have been laughed at had they
>even tried.
>
>> > >>>This may seem a bit tongue in cheek but I'm of
>> > >>>the opinion that the Torah remains profoundly foreign to the Western
>> > >>>World
>
>> > It doesn't sound a bit tongue in cheek. It sounds merely ignorant, if
>> > not downright stupid.
>
>> Perhaps not as ignorant as you might wish, Deborah. Let us proceed.
>
>Wishing has nothing to do with it, Hunter. Jewish scripture form one
>of the bases of Western civilization, however much you may personally
>detest the idea.
>
>> >     One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating.
>> > Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of
>> > all the commandments, which is the most important?"
>> >     Jesus answered, "The first is, "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God,
>> > the Lord is one;  you shall love the Lord your God with all your
>> > heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all
>> > your strength(1).' The second is this, "You shall love your neighbor
>> > as yourself(2).' There is no other commandment greater than these."
>> > Mark 12,28-30
>
>> Very Christian, indeed. You shall love your global neighbors as
>> yourself. The Saviour of all of mankind is said to have uttered these
>> words.
>
>As noted, he was quoting:
>> > (1) Deuteronomy 6,4-5
>> > (2) Leviticus 19,18
>"Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one;  you shall love
>the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and
>with all your mind, and with all your strength.” Deuteronomy 6,4-5
>“You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” Leviticus 19,18
>
>> > New Testament quotations from the Old Testament
>> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/7224/Rick/Septuagint/spexecs...
>> > There are in all two hundred and eighty-three direct quotations from
>> > the Old Testament in the New Testament, and some quotations from other
>> > books.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations_from_the_Old_Testament_in_the...
>
>> Yes, there are. And I've been known to cite Livy, the Buddha and the
>> Bard.
>
>Apples and oranges. Every book of the New Testament either quotes or
>alludes to passages from the Old Testament, which the NT calls the
>“Oracles of God”.
>
>> > >>You might wish to at least take just a peak at basic theology,
>> > >>especially as it relates to the Jewish faith and Christianity. Start
>> > >>with the Ten Commandments- not sure that you've heard of them.
>
>> > On Aug 16, 10:51 am, HHW wrote:
>> > >Actually I have. It comes with the culture and educated people tend to
>> > >know quite a bit more about the culture than do other classes.
>
>> > Ergo, by his own admission, HHW is neither cultured nor educated,
>> > since he knows next to nothing about Jews and Judaism, and refuses to
>> > take the trouble to educate himself even a little.
>
>> The subject is only peripherally about Judaism per se but the adoption
>> of the Christian Canon.
>
>Back to the above question: When, exactly, were the “old testment” and
>the “new testament” adopted by Europe, or by the Christian church, as
>“infallible Christian doctrine”? The newadvent.org entry for the Synod
>of Laodicea doesn't answer the question.
>
>> > >It's
>> > >quite clear that Buddhism and Hinduism were never destined to conquer
>> > >the Western World. They were simply too exotic.
>
>> > They were simply in the wrong places at the wrong times to "conquer
>> > the Western World."
>
>> Did you mean wrong places at the right time?
>
>I meant exactly what I said. If you look on a map, you will see that
>neither were located in places that would have permitted
>evangelization of Europe, or, for that matter, the Middle East or
>Africa. Buddhism was well sited, however, to spread from India to
>China, which, of course, it did, and flourished, despite unfavorable
>Confucian appraisal and periods of persecution from the hostile Taoist
>priesthood.
>
>>Anyway, I take it you
>> believe that the essential world view of cultures remote from each
>> other are all equivalent, unaffected by history, environment,
>> tradition, etc., and that but for geography the great religions of
>> Asia could easily have spread in late Roman era Eruope? I think that
>> counter-intuitive.  I think that is less likely than the cosmogony of
>> the Eskimo being transplantable to Europe. All are specialized.
>What you “think”, in the foregoing, is nothing but  your usual
>ridiculous speculation, and is tantamount to your equally ridiculous
>and off the wall comment that “Buddhism and Hinduism were never
>destined to conquer the Western World”, a statement which is obvious
>to a ludicrous point. Of course they weren't “destined to conquer the
>Western World”, whatever that means, and it has nothing to do with
>either being “simply too exotic”. Neither are that “exotic”, and there
>are parallels in both to Western mythologies and religions. To return
>to the subject, suffice to say only that sects of Buddhism were (and
>are) as evangelizing as anything found in Christianity and Islam.
>
>> >  Moreover, at times, they were too busy warring
> > > with each other, and then, later, with Islam.
>
>> Warring was spread throughout the world, pretty much uniformly until
>> the modern era.
>
>Warring didn't have to be “spread throughout the world”. It was, and
>remains, an intrinsic outgrowth of human nature. Or are you suggesting
>that minor tribes and major civilizations of the Americas lived in
>peace and harmony until “warring was spread” to them?
>
>> > >Yet the origin myths
>> > >of the Jews and the narrative of their tribal history which take up
>> > >most of the volume was no less exotic. They are tailored to a much
>> > >different place, time and milieu.
>
>> > "Tailored to a much different place, time and milieu." huh? Wow,
>> > imagine that.
>
>> Don't play dumb, Deborah. It's not a sound debating tactic.
>
>You mean to say that playing dumb is something you reserve to
>yourself?
>
>>It masks a  failure to respond to a central point I'm making.
>
>So make your point, whatever that may be. Try to do it without the
>usual circumlocutionary antics, will you?
>
>> > Actually, the biblical origin myths are amongst the least exotic in
>> > the world, when compared to those of other peoples. The origins of the
>> > Jews, per se, OTOH, are grounded in history.
>
>> You mean rooted in their sacred texts, the early parts of which are
>> clearly mythical.
>
>Wrong, as usual. The origins of the Jews are grounded in history.
>Biblical origin myths – which, as you note above, “are clearly
>mythical” -- are, contrary to your previous (mis)statement, hardly
>“exotic.” No giant tortoise or ash tree, no Sky Mother's body cut up
>by her children. Just a Big Bang, from which the universe proceeds.
>
>>But that gets us back to the central question,
>> whether it is counter-intuitive that Europe chose an Asian origin myth
>> instead of one generated on its own.
>
>As above and below, the “central question”is when, exactly, the “old
>testment” and the “new testament” were adopted by Europe – or, as you
>later changed it, by the Christian church -- as “infallible Christian
>doctrine”. So, when did that happen?
>
>> > >They express a Jewish Weltanschauung
>> > >in an Asian environment.
>
>> > Which "Asian environment" was that?
>
>> The Near and Middle East, obviously.
>
>Then refer to it as such, rather than as an “Asian environment”. The
>Near East is not specifically an “Asian environment”, and its links
>were with Europe and Africa.
>
>> > >There was actually a decision made by the Christian Church in Europe
>> > >long after the life of Christ to incorporate a slightly modified Torah
>> > >into its formal cannon. It didn't just happen in an evolutionary or
>> > >evangelical sense. It seems counter-intuitive to me that it succeeded.
>
>> > If it was so successful, then, there must be a date which that
>> > decision was "made by the Christian Church in Europe" to "incorporate
>> > a slightly modified Torah into its formal canon[SIC]." When was that
>> > decision made? Which "Christian Church in Europe" made it?
>
>> See above.
>
>If you refer to the newadvent.org entry, that paste job of yours
>failed to answer the question, for reasons noted above.
>
>> > >One can see a natural sequence in the spread and acceptance of Islam.
>
>> > One can see the sequence in the spread of Islam, although it was
>> > arguably less than a "natural sequence". See:
>> > TIMELINE OF ISLAM - THE FIRST MILLENNIUMhttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/2d3b828868cf1df
>
>> What I mean by that is it arose and prospered essentially in the same
>> environment. Christianity arose in one and prospered in another.
>
>If you are stating that Islam “arose and prospered essentially in the
>same
>environment” as Judaism, which it didn't, and that “ Christianity
>arose in one and prospered in another”, then you are really playing
>dumb. Islam was created on the southwestern Arabian littoral, in
>completely different environment from that which orginated Judaism and
>Christianity – from swathes of which Islam was, in fact, created. The
>latter prospered only by political/military machinations and
>widespread military conquest.
>
>> > >They were people of the Book.
>
>> > Muslims were not "People of the Book" . "People of the Book" is the
>> > Muslim phrase for  their dhimmis -- Jews and Christians, neither of
>> > whom used it to refer to Muslims.
>
>> It is at least a recognition of overlapping histories and
>> relationships. That there was still hostility is irrelevant.
>
>That there was hostility is extremely relevant. And the “overlapping”
>histories refer only to history, per se, not to religious history.
>Islamic religious doctrines had little, if any, effect on
>Christianity, and none on Judaism. The converse is true for Islam.
>
>>Try
>> avoiding your religious parochialism, Deborah. It's ethnocentric which
>> is always unbecoming in conversations among western intellectuals.
>
>I was unaware that I was having any conversation with a western
>intellectual, Hunter. Do try to avoid your silly attempts at
>patronizing others, especially when they clearly know more than you
>about the subjects you are attempting to address. The fact remains
>that Islam derives from Judaism and Christianity, as a reading of the
>Quran will show. Basic Christian tenets have nothing to do with Islam,
>as a reading of the NT will show, nor could it. The same holds for
>Judaism. That has nothing to do with what you absurdly refer to
>“religious patrochialism”.
>
>It's undeniable that the spread of Islam had a profound effect on the
>world, and not, as anti-Islamists would have it, all of it negative.
>At certain times, Islamic-ruled regions were among the most cultured
>and enlightened in the world. But that is neither here nor there;
>Islam is not at issue, and your speculative rubbish as to “religious
>parochalism” is just that.
>
>> > >But Europe was another matter.
>
>> > What matter was that?
>
>> I've explained it above.
>
>You've explained nothing beyond your subjective opinion and your
>typical off the wall speculation. You haven't even answered the
>question, which you yourself begged, as to when, exactly,  “Europe
>ultimately adopted both” the NT and the OT “as infallible
>Christian doctrine”. When did that happen?
>
>> > >If you can help me understand this I'd be pleased.
>
>> > That is debatable, and not too likely.
>
>> Well, it's true. I'm genuinely curious about this question. My
>> interest is not religious per se but more something akin to finding
>> out how a cultural anthropologist or intellectual historian might
>> approach it.
>
>Since neither cultural anthropologists nor intellectual historians
>have ever come up with a standard answer,  you will have to do a lot
>of research on that question. And, ultimately, you will become no more
>enlightened than anyone else. Something in early Christianity, when it
>was still a Jewish sect, attracted not only Jews, but Greeks,
>Ethiopians, Romans, and other peoples. Wwhatever reasons they had for
>embracing it, they left no record, so it can never be more than
>speculation.
>
>Now, to spare us all reams of your usual sidedodging in the matter of
>the question as to when “Europe (or the Christian Church) ultimately
>adopted both” the NT and the OT “as infallible Christian doctrine”,
>I'll answer it for you: Never.
>
>AFAIK, the only ones who view any of it as “infallible doctrine” are
>fundies. Certainly Jews, Christian fathers, biblical scholars, and the
>like, over the past two millennia have not.
>
>The oldest canon for Jews defined the Torah (the five books of Moses)
>sometime between the mid-6thC and 4thC BCE. This is the ONE canon on
>which Jews, as well as Christians and Samaritans, can agree. The
>remaining books of the Jewish bible were accepted as a second canon by
>the 1stC CE, though the “Sadducees” and the Samaritans rejected it,
>and the Dead Sea Scrolls show a variety of writings not considered
>canonical. Greek-speaking Jews had a larger canon not accepted by
>other Jews.
>
>The Christian church of the 1st C and early 2ndC accepted Jewish
>canonical scripture, but had no specifically “Christian” scripture of
>its own. The first Christian canon identical to modern ones appears in
>a letter of Bishop Athanasius written c 367 CE. At present, there is
>no universal agreement on Christian canonical scriptures (e.g.,
>Protestants exclude, while Catholics include, the Apocrypha in their
>respective canons; the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholics based their
>“Old Testament” on the Septuagint, whereas Protestant and Jews do not,
>and the Ethiopian, Coptic, Syriac, and other churches had their own
>“old” and “new” testaments.
>
>Does that answer the question as to when Europe (or the Christian
>Church) adopted the old and new testaments as “infallible Christian
>doctrine”? At the very least, you should now have some inkling as to
>why that question, in the form it was posed, is not answerable.
>
>Deborah


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:30:00 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> ZULU  wrote in news:g8d16r$1fk$1@aioe.org:
>> 
>> 
>>>Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My solution has two parts:
>>>>
>>>>However, the mainstream American has the sense to know the truth when
>>>>he hears it and they present evidence. 
>>>
>>>The last attack against Iraq with false "proofs" of WMD and Al Qaeda
>>>connection is a good example of it.
>>>
>>>Mostly all Foxed American people supported that bullshitted war while
>>>more than 70% of European people were against it.
>>>
>>>They'd better to hear the wise advice of German and French.
>>>
>> The French. The only war the French ever won was the Revolution, and only 
>> because they were fighting the French.
>
>Lafayette or Austerlitz are not in your archives?

It is refreshing to note that poor Joe is as full of shit on all areas
of history as he is on the 20th century.

France was the dominant European power for longer than the USA has
existed, and it managed to build up a world-spanning colonial empire
for itself. They are much better soldiers than the Americans ever
were.


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ceglar
 wrote:

>On 20 Aug., 18:09, Andreas Bockelmann  wrote:
>> Michael Ceglar schrieb:
>>
>> > Niemals:
>> >http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Roman_Republic_Empire_map_edited.gif
>>
>> Lass doch mal die Wikipedia weg. Gerade bei politischen Themen hat die
>> Wikipedia ungefähr die Seriösität einer Klowand am Berliner Hauptbahnhof.
>
>Hättest du den Link angeklickt, dann hättest du gemerkt, daß es da
>nicht um Politik geht.
>Die Karte zeigt die maximale Ausdehnung des römischen Reiches.
>Dafür wird Wiki ja wohl genügen.

Manche Gegenden wurden aber nur eine sehr kurze Zeit beherrscht. Nach
der Niederlage von Varus im Jahre 9, konnte das römische Reich nur die
Gebiete westlich des Rheins and südlich des Mains für sich erhalten.

>
>Ich wähle die Quelllen aus, von denen ich denke daß sie hinreichend
>sind.
>Und für den Glotzstupiden Knoll reicht das allemal.
>
>Ich weiß auch nicht, warum du dich da einmischst.
>Was paßt dir denn nicht?
>Bloß blöde rumquatschen und nix zur Sache sagen.
>Das hammwer gerne.
>
>Gruß
>Michael


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:42:21 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 20, 4:15 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>> On 20-Aug-2008, emma  wrote:
>>
>> > X-Complaints-To: ab...@aioe.org
>> > jewish [sic] disinfo!
>>
>> Yes, you lying cowards always try to post
>> disinformation about Jews.
>> But it's as transparent as your heads.
>>
>> Susan
>
>You lie about Jews too Susan.  You make it a habit about lying about
>me and I’m Jewish.  Your not lying to protect me either you are lying
>because you don’t like or love me.  I admit I lie but you lie and then
>pretend that your don’t.  You think being a hypocrite is part of being
>Jewish and you’re wrong.

Poor Yedudi, it is obvious that Susan has you sized up as a complete
arsehole and bigot. The rest of us tend to concur with her analysis.


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 21, 5:25 pm, Tim Miller 
>wrote:
>> Topaz wrote:
>> >   Here is a quote from "The Battle for Berlin" by Joseph Goebbels:
>>
>> He was that ignorant, cowardly liar who killed his family
>> and then himself, wasn't he?
>>
>> WHEN are you going to follow his example?
>
>How good such a demon like Goebbels have a good Jewish name like
>Joseph.

Joe is also really popular among Roman Catholics, oh mindless cretin.


>  Every Joseph I've ever met Jew or non-Jew was always a kind
>hearted pretty good person.  Himmler the school marm chicken farmer
>was another demon too.


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:38:27 -0500, Sara Salzman
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>In article 
><7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Bent Attorney  wrote:
>
>> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>> 
>> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> made homeless McVay?
>
>Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then, if they weren't 
>prepared for the consequences.

Anything goes, does it, Sara? Even if what you say were true, and I
doubt that it is, it hardly justifies allied crimes.

>
>
>> Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> friends of Israel.
>> No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> with incinerating the innocent.
>> 
>> The usual crap:
>> ::
>>     * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> benefit of Israel
>> 
>> Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>> 
>>     "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>> 
>>     The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>> 
>>     It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> ::


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:55:27 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>news:catamont-D3B2AE.20381120082008@news-40.giganews.com...
>> In article
>> <7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>>
>>> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>>> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>>> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>>> made homeless McVay?
>>
>> Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then,
>
>They didn't.
>
>
This whole business of "who started what" is just a cheap attempt to
divert attention away from allied crimes.

If allied atrocities are acceptable, then ALL atrocities are
acceptable, including the holocaust™, insofar as the story is
supportable.


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:59:49 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 20, 9:38 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> In article
>> <7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>  Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>
>> > What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> > resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> > were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> > made homeless McVay?
>>
>> Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then, if they weren't
>> prepared for the consequences.
>
>All those eastern Germans were responsible for starting WWII.  Holy
>cumquats!
>The incinerated people were guilty of starting WWII!??
>You self proclaimed anti-hate people actually think like that eh?
>What if an Iraqi terrorist blew up your family in some mall in the
>US?  Guess the US shouldn't have started a war in Iraq if their
>citizens weren't prepared for the consequences.
>I can't believe that there are two of you on this NG.  McVay and
>Salzman.

Both of these people have a very narrow focus on the concept of
atrocity. It is only an atrocity if the victims are Jewish. All other
atrocities are acceptable or even desirable to these two.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> > it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> > Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> > were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> > You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> > friends of Israel.
>> > No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> > with incinerating the innocent.
>>
>> > The usual crap:
>> > ::
>> >     * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> > benefit of Israel
>>
>> > Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> > "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> > windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> > information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>>
>> >     "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> > communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> > the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> > explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> > reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> > Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> > five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> > determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>>
>> >     The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> > present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> > the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> > only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> > and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> > immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> > immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> > expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>>
>> >     It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> > state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> > Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> > Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> > six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> > Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> > ::
>>
>> --
>> "I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
>> You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.
>>
>>  - Penn Jillette, 7/3/08


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:43:10 -0500, Sara Salzman
 wrote:

>In article 
><3c6788b4-8a33-408d-be90-3bbc4e178bdb@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> Bent Attorney  wrote:
>
>> On Aug 20, 9:38 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> >  Bent Attorney  wrote:
>> >
>> > >http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>> >
>> > > What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> > > resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> > > were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> > > made homeless McVay?
>> >
>> > Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then, if they weren't
>> > prepared for the consequences.
>> 
>> All those eastern Germans were responsible for starting WWII.  Holy
>> cumquats!
>> The incinerated people were guilty of starting WWII!??
>> You self proclaimed anti-hate people actually think like that eh?
>> What if an Iraqi terrorist blew up your family in some mall in the
>> US?  Guess the US shouldn't have started a war in Iraq if their
>> citizens weren't prepared for the consequences.
>I agree 100%. The US will have a whole lot of consequences from the war 
>in Iraq.
>
>> I can't believe that there are two of you on this NG.  McVay and
>> Salzman.
>
>Two of whom?

You are two people with extremely partisan notions of what constitutes
an atrocity. It is pretty clear that you only regard deaths as tragic
if the victims are Jewish. In point of fact, if allied atrocities are
acceptable, then so are German atrocities.

For example, the Americans are excused for their outrages at Nagasaki
and Hiroshima because the Americans wanted to win in the shortest
possible time and with minimum American casualties. Every country at
war has the same wish for itself, namely rapid victory and minimal
casualties. In other words, anything is acceptable if it will help you
win. It follows that there is no such thing as a war crime, since any
actions whatsoever are OK if they will help you win.

It also means that Nürnberg was an allied judicial farce, a lynching
with judicial trappings, whose "findings" signify nothing except that
the allies had the power to carry out their outrage.

>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> > > it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> > > Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> > > were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> > > You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> > > friends of Israel.
>> > > No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> > > with incinerating the innocent.
>> >
>> > > The usual crap:
>> > > ::
>> > >     * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> > > benefit of Israel
>> >
>> > > Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> > > "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> > > windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> > > information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>> >
>> > >     "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> > > communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> > > the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> > > explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> > > reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> > > Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> > > five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> > > determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>> >
>> > >     The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> > > present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> > > the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> > > only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> > > and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> > > immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> > > immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> > > expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>> >
>> > >     It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> > > state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> > > Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> > > Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> > > six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> > > Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> > > ::
>> >
>> > --
>> > "I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
>> > You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.
>> >
>> >  - Penn Jillette, 7/3/08


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:43:31 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>news:catamont-D3B2AE.20381120082008@news-40.giganews.com...
>> In article
>> <7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>>
>>> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>>> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>>> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>>> made homeless McVay?
>>
>> Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then, if they weren't
>> prepared for the consequences.
>
>Who started the war?
>
>Do you remember the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany?"

It is a matter of historical record that Britain and France attacked
Germany, not the other way around. Poland was just a pretext much like
the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

>
>
>>
>>
>>> Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>>> it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>>> Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>>> were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>>> You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>>> friends of Israel.
>>> No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>>> with incinerating the innocent.
>>>
>>> The usual crap:
>>> ::
>>>     * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>>> benefit of Israel
>>>
>>> Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>>> "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>>> windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>>> information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>>>
>>>     "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>>> communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>>> the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>>> explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>>> reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>>> Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>>> five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>>> determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>>>
>>>     The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>>> present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>>> the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>>> only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>>> and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>>> immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>>> immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>>> expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>>>
>>>     It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>>> state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>>> Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>>> Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>>> six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>>> Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>>> ::
>>
>> -- 
>> "I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
>> You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.
>>
>> - Penn Jillette, 7/3/08 


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:41:58 -0500, Sara Salzman
 wrote:

>In article ,
> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>> news:catamont-D3B2AE.20381120082008@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > In article
>> > <7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Bent Attorney  wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>> >>
>> >> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> >> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> >> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> >> made homeless McVay?
>> >
>> > Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then, if they weren't
>> > prepared for the consequences.
>> 
>> Who started the war?
>> 
>> Do you remember the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany?"
>
>Very well, thanks. I also know it was a crock then and is still a crock 
>now. As soon as you can produce the information about "Judea" having an 
>army, or a single battalion, or even EXISTING, I'll be interested in 
>seeing it.

Their influence is such that they can poison the attitudes of
Americans who will then arrange for a war. Jews hardly require an
army. They have always had other fight for them.

>
>There is no such thing as "Judea," there was no such thing as "Judea" in 
>the 1930s, and there is no such entity that speaks for World Jewry. Only 
>morons who believe in the Protocols would believe something that stupid.
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >> Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> >> it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> >> Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> >> were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> >> You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> >> friends of Israel.
>> >> No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> >> with incinerating the innocent.
>> >>
>> >> The usual crap:
>> >> ::
>> >>     * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> >> benefit of Israel
>> >>
>> >> Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> >> "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> >> windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> >> information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>> >>
>> >>     "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> >> communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> >> the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> >> explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> >> reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> >> Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> >> five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> >> determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>> >>
>> >>     The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> >> present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> >> the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> >> only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> >> and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> >> immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> >> immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> >> expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>> >>
>> >>     It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> >> state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> >> Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> >> Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> >> six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> >> Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> >> ::
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > "I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
>> > You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.
>> >
>> > - Penn Jillette, 7/3/08


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:41:49 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
>news:catamont-5280BD.21415821082008@news-40.giganews.com...
>> In article ,
>> "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>> news:catamont-D3B2AE.20381120082008@news-40.giganews.com...
>>> > In article
>>> > <7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>> >>
>>> >> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>>> >> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>>> >> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>>> >> made homeless McVay?
>>> >
>>> > Guess Germany shouldn't have started the war then, if they weren't
>>> > prepared for the consequences.
>>>
>>> Who started the war?
>>>
>>> Do you remember the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany?"
>>
>> Very well, thanks. I also know it was a crock then and is still a crock
>> now. As soon as you can produce the information about "Judea" having an
>> army, or a single battalion, or even EXISTING, I'll be interested in
>> seeing it.
>
>What a tool you are, salzman.
>
>The yids, internationally, declared war on Germany.
>
>Your constant moaning and deceit in asking for a description of their armed 
>forces is just that - deceit.
>
>The yids made NO bones about wanting to destroy Germany.

Since the Jews did not regard Germans has humans, then Germans have no
right of self-defence against Jews or their lackeys.

>>
>> There is no such thing as "Judea," there was no such thing as "Judea" in
>> the 1930s, and there is no such entity that speaks for World Jewry. Only
>> morons who believe in the Protocols would believe something that stupid.
>
>Ferfuckssake woman. Grow a brain, you idiot.
>
>The "Judea" was journalist speak for International Jewry, fool.
>
>


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:53:57 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"Bent Attorney"  wrote in message 
>news:7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>
>> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> made homeless McVay?
>> Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> friends of Israel.
>> No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> with incinerating the innocent.
>
>WWII affected no one other than Jews.
>
>That's the official message.

Naturally, it follows from the concept that only Jews are human beings
and the rest of the world's population are just animals.

>
>
>
>>
>> The usual crap:
>> ::
>>    * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> benefit of Israel
>>
>> Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>>
>>    "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>>
>>    The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>>
>>    It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> :: 
>


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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 20, 10:13 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> Bent Attorney  wrote in news:7523a632-c344-4617-
>> 9698-2052ed47e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>
>> > What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> > resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> > were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> > made homeless McVay?
>>
>> Then the germans should seek restitution. Why haven't they?
>
>Who is going to give the Germans restitution?  Are you over twelve
>years old?

The official Polish and Czech positions are that compensation for the
thefts of the Poles and Czechs are the responsibility of the German
authorities, not the responsibility of the thieves.

The late, unlamented state of Czechoslovakia even passed a special law
giving a blanket amnesty to anybody who had murdered ethnic Germans up
until 1949. Naturally, Czech regulations don't matter in Germany
itself, so a few Czechs stupid enough to visit Germany, or countries
with good relations with Germany, found themselves in a German court
facing charges of first degree murder. It was one of the few times
that I was sad that German courts do not hand out death sentences,
since there could hardly be more deserving criminals than the Czechs.

>
>>
>> > Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> > it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> > Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> > were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> > You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> > friends of Israel.
>> > No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> > with incinerating the innocent.
>>
>> What german innocents were incinerated?
>>
>
>Should I even respond to that?  Have you never heard of the
>firebombings?
>
>>
>>
>> > The usual crap:
>> >::
>> >     * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> > benefit of Israel
>>
>> > Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> > "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> > windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> > information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>>
>> >     "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> > communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> > the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> > explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> > reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> > Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> > five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> > determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>>
>> >     The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> > present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> > the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> > only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> > and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> > immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> > immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> > expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>>
>> >     It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> > state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> > Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> > Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> > six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> > Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> >::
>>
>>


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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:57:03 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>I know a family her from Romania the ancestry going back for some 700 
>hundred years. What crime did the commit to be expelled from Rumania just 
>because of being of German ancestry. While the Jews milk the system and
> get away with murder that no one is allowed to investigate. For the Jews 
>screwing anyone else is a way of life.
>Kurt Knoll.

Interestingly enough, when Siebenbürgen was founded 850 years ago, it
was in unsettled land belonging to Hungary. The allies gave the area
to the new "Versailles state" of Romania following WW1.

The only crime of the residents was to be of German ethnicity. Most of
them had never even been to Germany and none of them had German
citizenship. Thousands were kidnapped by the allies after WW2 and
turned into slave labourers for various allied projects.

>
>
>
>"Bent Attorney"  wrote in message 
>news:7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>
>> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> made homeless McVay?
>> Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> friends of Israel.
>> No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> with incinerating the innocent.
>>
>> The usual crap:
>> ::
>>    * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> benefit of Israel
>>
>> Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>>
>>    "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>>
>>    The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>>
>>    It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> :: 
>


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:15:12 +1200, "Boffin"  wrote:

>"Bent Attorney"  wrote in message 
>news:7523a632-c344-4617-9698-2052ed47e0c2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-21.html
>>
>> What about reparations to the Germans that were displaced?  There were
>> resettlement costs there as well.  Do you bother to count others that
>> were affected by that war?  McVay?  How many Germans in the east were
>> made homeless McVay?
>> Israel's got a good thing going with that holocaust thing.  They milk
>> it for all it's worth.  Children of holocaust survivors have sued
>> Germany because they suffer from psychiatric difficulties because they
>> were raised by apparently disfunctional people.  And Germany paid.
>> You should build an alter to modern Germany.  They are the real
>> friends of Israel.
>> No one else though was affected by that war eh?  But then you agree
>> with incinerating the innocent.
>>
>> The usual crap:
>> ::
>>    * The "myth" of the Holocaust was created solely for the financial
>> benefit of Israel
>>
>> Holocaust denial often asserts that the sole reason that the
>> "Holocaust hoax" has been promulgated was that it created a financial
>> windfall for the State of Israel. Deborah Lipstadt provides this
>> information in "Denying the Holocaust":
>>
>>    "Israeli officials detailed their claims against Germany in their
>> communique of March 1951 to the Four Powers, and this document became
>> the official basis for the reparations agreement. It contained an
>> explanation of Israel's means of calculating the size of the
>> reparations claim. In the communique Israeli officials explained that
>> Nazi persecution had stimulated 'a second Jewish exodus' of close to
>> five hundred thousand. Based on the size of this exodus, Israel
>> determined the amount of the reparations it would request:
>>
>>    The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and
>> present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by
>> the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can
>> only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made
>> and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish
>> immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these
>> immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total
>> expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.
>>
>>    It seems hardly necessary to point out that since the money the
>> state received by based on the cost of resettling survivors, had
>> Israel wanted to increase the amount of reparations it obtained from
>> Germany it would have been in its interest to argue that fewer than
>> six million had been killed and that more had managed to flee to
>> Israel." (Lipstadt, 57)
>> ::
>
>
>Are we supposed to take  a bent, debarred, Canadian attorney from Toronto 
>seriously?

Why not? Actually, he is from Kitchener, formerly Berlin, Ontario
before the racist Tories of WW1 fame changed the name to that of a
British mass murderer.



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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> Israelis must be dreadfully stupid 
>
>Germans must have been dreadfully stupid to elect a blood-
>thirsty beast to rule over them,  to have murdered millions
>of innocent people,  and to have started a war which ended
>in the complete destruction of Germany.

The last time I looked, it was still there and was still the principal
European state much as it was in 1900. Every life lost in the totally
unnecessary allied-instigated wars labelled as WW1 and WW2 was a
wasted life signifying nothing. The Québecois were the most
intelligent by not getting involved, but the people of Germany had no
choice but to be involved.


>  I assume that means
>that your parents were dreadfully stupid,  because they
>were adult people when all this took place.  And,  I'm
>sorry to say,  you're not too bright either.

That must explain why I kept crossing the stage to receive more prizes
at my secondary school at graduation and also my university. You seem
to be an ignorant jackass.


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>
>> No many people care about the retarded opinions of the homophobic
>> bigot
>
>But what about "Ben Cramer"?
>
>"Poofters should be fucked and burned." --  Posted by "Ben Cramer",
>Message-ID:
><42942e83$0$247$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>

People are complicated, and generally not one-dimensional as you seem
to suppose. I don't buy into the construct of the quotation, but then
there may be nobody with whom I see eye-to-eye on every possible
topic.

I'm sure that the two of us have many areas of agreement, but the
holocaust story isn't one of them. I used to accept it, but the allies
have been caught in so many lies that very little of what they say
about practically anything carries much weight with me anymore.

It is the same today in Iraq, where the Anglo-American military
involvement is totally based on lies. Virtually all allied military
involvements over the last two centuries have been based on fakery and
fabrications, and their current involvements can be pretty accurately
predicted based on their vicious past.


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:42:18 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>What is the number of your latest holostorie invention Kenneth. No lying 
>please Kenneth.
>kk

Sorry there Kurt, for inserting a comment into your message.
The comment was intended for McVay.

>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:pIydnbSSE9vofzPVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>It is really unlikely that Hitler was homosexual except in the
>>>demented delusions of silly American authors like those who wrote
>>>trash history such as "The Pink Swastika".
>>
>> Hitler's sexual deviance is a well documented fact, Leading Revisionist
>> Scholar v. Ebersdorf.
>>
>> "He is an extreme masochist who derives sexual pleasure from
>> having a woman squat over him while she uriniates or defecates
>> on his face. (Strasser, 919; see also 931, 932)

McVay:
I have never heard of any male homosexual who likes having women piss
on him. As I said earlier, you seem to be full of shit and make up
your "history" on the fly.

>>
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/
>>
>> On August 22, 2008, you made this statement: "Since the Jews did not
>> regard Germans has humans, then Germans have no right of self-defence
>> against Jews or their lackeys." Please provide verifiable citations
>> in which Jews expressed such beliefs.
>>
>> Please document this claim. Provide specific, verifiable citations to
>> support your assertion.
>>
>> You also claimed, on the same day, that Sara Salzman and I were,
>> "... two people with extremely partisan notions of what constitutes
>> an atrocity. It is pretty clear that you only regard deaths as tragic
>> if the victims are Jewish."
>>
>> Please provide verifiable citations where either I or Ms. Salzman have
>> expressed such a view, Leading Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf.
>>
>> On August 14, 2008, you claimed, "All I've heard here from you or
>> from hate-mongers like McVay is warmed over WW1 propaganda.
>> It was all disproven the first time, and it isn't too fucking
>> likely to be true the second time." Document these "warmed
>> over" pieces of propaganda, and document their falsity.
>>
>> You have claimed that "All the Nürnberg documents presented by the
>> allies are copies of a copy and none of the originals have ever been
>> found," In fact, the originals are held in the Yale Law Library.
>>
>> You have claimed that the Jewish death toll must have been under 500,000,
>> but have yet to provide supporting data, or show that scholars' estimates
>> of millions of casualties are deliberate fabrications.
>>
>> You have failed to document your assertion that some "German puppet
>> regime" accepted German responsibility for the Katyn massacre, which
>> is patent nonsense.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning" and "buried in mass graves in and
>> around the city."
>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.
>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?
>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.
>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.
>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.
>>
>> -- 
>> "Don't you know the Jews are the only once who can tell the
>> truce all other people like us just to stupid to understand
>> they have us believe." (Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot of
>> Kitimat & Leading Example of  "Revisionist Scholarship") 
>


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:31:38 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Bent Attorney"  wrote in message 
>news:1c29a9de-a32b-485e-99d9-73ccd2fd429b@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 22, 11:59 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> >It is really unlikely that Hitler was homosexual except in the
>> >demented delusions of silly American authors like those who wrote
>> >trash history such as "The Pink Swastika".
>>
>> Hitler's sexual deviance is a well documented fact, Leading Revisionist
>> Scholar v. Ebersdorf.
>>
>> "He is an extreme masochist who derives sexual pleasure from
>> having a woman squat over him while she uriniates or defecates
>> on his face. (Strasser, 919; see also 931, 932)
>>
>
>>So this Strasser wrote it and therefor it's true?
>
>
>Sounds as if this Strasser was a yid pornographer.

That sounds like the truth of the matter.

>
>That's the type of filth they engage in.
>
>
>
>
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/
>>
>> On August 22, 2008, you made this statement: "Since the Jews did not
>> regard Germans has humans, then Germans have no right of self-defence
>> against Jews or their lackeys." Please provide verifiable citations
>> in which Jews expressed such beliefs.
>>
>> Please document this claim. Provide specific, verifiable citations to
>> support your assertion.
>>
>> You also claimed, on the same day, that Sara Salzman and I were,
>> "... two people with extremely partisan notions of what constitutes
>> an atrocity. It is pretty clear that you only regard deaths as tragic
>> if the victims are Jewish."
>>
>> Please provide verifiable citations where either I or Ms. Salzman have
>> expressed such a view, Leading Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf.
>
>You yourself have said that innocent German civilians deserved to be
>bombed.  Salzman has blamed innocent Germans(many of whom were not
>citizens(Volksdeutsche))for starting the war; hence they deserved to
>be brutalized.  You two are the tower of power of hate.  But then your
>pathetic government doesn't think so does it McTammyVay?
>Who put you up for that shit you wear around your neck anyway?  Out
>with it McTammyVay.
>Ummm let me think.  Was it so called anti-hate groups whose royal ass
>you kissed?
>
>>
>> On August 14, 2008, you claimed, "All I've heard here from you or
>> from hate-mongers like McVay is warmed over WW1 propaganda.
>> It was all disproven the first time, and it isn't too fucking
>> likely to be true the second time." Document these "warmed
>> over" pieces of propaganda, and document their falsity.
>>
>> You have claimed that "All the Nürnberg documents presented by the
>> allies are copies of a copy and none of the originals have ever been
>> found," In fact, the originals are held in the Yale Law Library.
>>
>> You have claimed that the Jewish death toll must have been under 500,000,
>> but have yet to provide supporting data, or show that scholars' estimates
>> of millions of casualties are deliberate fabrications.
>>
>> You have failed to document your assertion that some "German puppet
>> regime" accepted German responsibility for the Katyn massacre, which
>> is patent nonsense.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning" and "buried in mass graves in and
>> around the city."
>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.
>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?
>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.
>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.
>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.
>>
>> --
>> "Don't you know the Jews are the only once who can tell the
>> truce all other people like us just to stupid to understand
>> they have us believe." (Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot of
>> Kitimat & Leading Example of "Revisionist Scholarship")


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 23, 8:30 am, I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN  wrote:
>> On 22 ago, 23:31, "B.H. Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Bent Attorney"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:1c29a9de-a32b-485e-99d9-73ccd2fd429b@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 22, 11:59 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>
>> > > In article ,
>> > > Leading Revisionist Scholar Johannes von Ebersdorf
>> > >  wrote:
>>
>> > > [...]
>>
>> > > >It is really unlikely that Hitler was homosexual except in the
>> > > >demented delusions of silly American authors like those who wrote
>> > > >trash history such as "The Pink Swastika".
>>
>> > > Hitler's sexual deviance is a well documented fact, Leading Revisionist
>> > > Scholar v. Ebersdorf.
>>
>> > > "He is an extreme masochist who derives sexual pleasure from
>> > > having a woman squat over him while she uriniates or defecates
>> > > on his face. (Strasser, 919; see also 931, 932)
>>
>> > >So this Strasser wrote it and therefor it's true?
>>
>> > Sounds as if this Strasser was a yid pornographer.
>>
>> > That's the type of filth they engage in.
>>
>> > >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/
>>
>> > > On August 22, 2008, you made this statement: "Since the Jews did not
>> > > regard Germans has humans, then Germans have no right of self-defence
>> > > against Jews or their lackeys." Please provide verifiable citations
>> > > in which Jews expressed such beliefs.
>>
>> > > Please document this claim. Provide specific, verifiable citations to
>> > > support your assertion.
>>
>> > > You also claimed, on the same day, that Sara Salzman and I were,
>> > > "... two people with extremely partisan notions of what constitutes
>> > > an atrocity. It is pretty clear that you only regard deaths as tragic
>> > > if the victims are Jewish."
>>
>> > > Please provide verifiable citations where either I or Ms. Salzman have
>> > > expressed such a view, Leading Revisionist Scholar v. Ebersdorf.
>>
>> > You yourself have said that innocent German civilians deserved to be
>> > bombed.  Salzman has blamed innocent Germans(many of whom were not
>> > citizens(Volksdeutsche))for starting the war; hence they deserved to
>> > be brutalized.  You two are the tower of power of hate.  But then your
>> > pathetic government doesn't think so does it McTammyVay?
>> > Who put you up for that shit you wear around your neck anyway?  Out
>> > with it McTammyVay.
>> > Ummm let me think.  Was it so called anti-hate groups whose royal ass
>> > you kissed?
>>
>> > > On August 14, 2008, you claimed, "All I've heard here from you or
>> > > from hate-mongers like McVay is warmed over WW1 propaganda.
>> > > It was all disproven the first time, and it isn't too fucking
>> > > likely to be true the second time." Document these "warmed
>> > > over" pieces of propaganda, and document their falsity.
>>
>> > > You have claimed that "All the Nürnberg documents presented by the
>> > > allies are copies of a copy and none of the originals have ever been
>> > > found," In fact, the originals are held in the Yale Law Library.
>>
>> > > You have claimed that the Jewish death toll must have been under 500,000,
>> > > but have yet to provide supporting data, or show that scholars' estimates
>> > > of millions of casualties are deliberate fabrications.
>>
>> > > You have failed to document your assertion that some "German puppet
>> > > regime" accepted German responsibility for the Katyn massacre, which
>> > > is patent nonsense.
>>
>> > > You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> > > contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> > > you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> > > taken away by dumptruck each morning" and "buried in mass graves in and
>> > > around the city."
>>
>> > > Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> > > more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>>
>> fraulein ebersfag;ello,
>> There is little question that the Allies also at times committed war
>> crimes too. The Soviets committed a large number during the war, the
>> French in 1944/45, British and US also. Allied soldiers just like
>> German, Italian and Japanese troops committed some terrible acts of
>> war. I remember as a kid by uncle telling me a story about how the men
>> in his unit shot some German POWs near the end of the war in 1945.
>> Based upon his story, Uncle Jim entered a German town around March of
>> 1945, took some sniper fire and one of his officers was killed. The
>> unit then searched the town and found some German soldiers hiding and
>> searched them. Based on their weapons and condition none of them were
>> the sniper, but due to the hostility of losing a well liked officer
>> someone made the decision to shoot them and WWII moved on.
>> Nevertheless, as terrible as this act was, we're not breaking new
>> historic ground by pointing crimes like this one out, they did happen,
>> it was war and they were not state policy. Meanwhile, although not
>> stated by anyone here, these terrible acts can not be compared on an
>> equal level to the Holocaust and I'm hoping no one is seriously trying
>> to infer that with this posting. Although wrong and crimes against the
>> rules of war, the magnide between what the Western Allies did and the
>> Holocaust are worlds apart.
>>
>> 1945 Germany looked like a crater landscape from a different planet.
>> Dozens of German cities could be used as quarry only. Buildings like
>> in Cologne which needed centuries to grow are lost. But nothing
>> happened to the Ford-factories in Cologne, either little damage had
>> the factory in Cologne-Deutz and all over it was the same. The German
>> industry produced at the end of the war more armament than in 1938.
>> The RAF flew a distance like 30 times to the moon and their missions
>> send more than a half million civilians into the grave. About 89.000
>> children had to die but from military view this mass murder was
>> senseless and one of the biggest war crimes during WW2.
>
>Well said.
>The reason people here bring up war crimes committed by the allies is
>not to minimize the holocaust(general statement...not everyone will
>agree with this).
>The reason that I(and others) sometimes bring up allied crimes is
>because there are those here who deny those crimes.  Also some here
>say that all Germans deserved what they got, even ethnic Germans who
>were not citizens.  The group think of the anti haters is that all
>Germans were guilty of the holocaust and starting WWII, and that the
>allies did no wrong whatsoever.

Nürnberg was a case of the major criminals sitting in hypocritical
judgement over the lesser criminals. Anything of which the Nazis were
convicted at the political show trials of Nürnberg was also done by
the allies, and generally in much greater measure.


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:06:09 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in
>> news:qchta4phmcbos866aco959e3e6psmu1h3v@4ax.com: 
>> 
>> 
>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:30:00 +0200, ZULU  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g8d16r$1fk$1@aioe.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My solution has two parts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, the mainstream American has the sense to know the truth when
>>>>>>>he hears it and they present evidence. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last attack against Iraq with false "proofs" of WMD and Al Qaeda
>>>>>>connection is a good example of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mostly all Foxed American people supported that bullshitted war while
>>>>>>more than 70% of European people were against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They'd better to hear the wise advice of German and French.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The French. The only war the French ever won was the Revolution, and
>>>>>only because they were fighting the French.
>>>>
>>>>Lafayette or Austerlitz are not in your archives?
>>>
>>>It is refreshing to note that poor Joe is as full of shit on all areas
>>>of history as he is on the 20th century.
>>>
>>>France was the dominant European power for longer than the USA has
>>>existed, and it managed to build up a world-spanning colonial empire
>>>for itself. They are much better soldiers than the Americans ever
>>>were.
>>>
>>  
>> Which they demonstrated in every conflict they have been in during the 
>> last century.
>
>And in which conflict US soldiers have proven to be good?
>
>The last Iraq war and their famous "cow boy" like friendly fire which killed a lot of Brits?
>
>You must be kidding.

The only British casualities of that campaign were the result of
American incompetence.

Americans generally need massive material or numerical advantage or
they are lost.


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:29:17 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:sqKrk.34951$1p1.23589@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:30:00 +0200, ZULU  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ZULU  wrote in news:g8d16r$1fk$1@aioe.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My solution has two parts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, the mainstream American has the sense to know the truth when
>>>>>>> he hears it and they present evidence.
>>>>>> The last attack against Iraq with false "proofs" of WMD and Al Qaeda
>>>>>> connection is a good example of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly all Foxed American people supported that bullshitted war while
>>>>>> more than 70% of European people were against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They'd better to hear the wise advice of German and French.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The French. The only war the French ever won was the Revolution, and 
>>>>> only because they were fighting the French.
>>>> Lafayette or Austerlitz are not in your archives?
>>>
>>> It is refreshing to note that poor Joe is as full of shit on all areas
>>> of history as he is on the 20th century.
>>>
>>> France was the dominant European power for longer than the USA has
>>> existed, and it managed to build up a world-spanning colonial empire
>>> for itself. They are much better soldiers than the Americans ever
>>> were.
>>
>> Ah, the old "your soldiers suck" troll.  Haven't seen that for a while.
>
>Hardly a troll if it's based on truth.
>
>Point out a single war the Yanks have won on their own.
>
>You can't.

Yanks like to profit from the sacrifices and blood of others. That has
generally been their way. Most of the time, Americans like to attack
countries with populations less than 5% of the American population.
Much more than that, and they need to assemble a big coalition to
transfer the casualties to others.

>
>
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org 


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:53:22 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>What truth is there about your holocaust when you victimize anyone that asks 
>question.

Kurt, no religion permits questions about basic dogma, and the
holocaust cult is no exception. Questions tend to confuse the
believers and must be stopped/prevented at all costs.

By contrast, Creationists are not imprisoned for rejecting evolution,
since evolution is a scientific model where questions and debate are
welcome. Scientists believe that a proper model must be able to
account for any and all questions put to it, so skeptics are welcome.
If the model cannot deal with questions, then it needs to be changed
or even discarded. 

Religious dogma is too fragile to allow for skeptics. The holocaust™
cult involves too much revenue to allow it to be threatened by
skeptics, so skeptics need to be silenced by whatever means are at
hand, such as ridicule, threats, intimidation, name-calling, and in
some jurisdictions  legal action.

None of the historians/writers currently serving prison time for
writing about a certain period of history would be in that position
had they criticized anything other than the holocaust™ cult. This cult
has achieved a power position in "western" society that resembles that
of the church of Rome during the middle ages. The Roman Church
resorted to burning people at the stake or breaking them on the wheel
in their attempts to maintain their power. The holocaust™ cult has
likewise resorted to using the power of the civil authorities against
the citizens to maintain its own power.



>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9B026D5EAD057Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in news:6Uvrk.207074$gc5.12912
>> @pd7urf2no:
>>
>>> What research Your archives or someone else's archives.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>>
>> What truth, your truth or the real truth?
>>
>>>
>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9B0215350705BTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>> news:Z7vrk.105027$nD.74753@pd7urf1no:
>>>>
>>>>> So you say is everything true what you say ?.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely. If it wasn't you would show me I was wrong...oops, no you
>>>> wouldn't because you don't do research.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that everything you say is true?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The only version we have is your and guys like you can not be trusted.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the only version of your stories are yours and how can we find the
>>>> truth if you won't answer questions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns9B01D65268F18Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>> news:6oork.204076$gc5.21118@pd7urf2no:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> German people who experience the bombardments of civilians in
>> Germany
>>>>>>> know where they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jews who lived in germany experienced all the hospitality of of those
>>>>>> very same civilians...while be worked to death so german women
>> wouldn't
>>>>>> have to help germanys war effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do not know if you are in existence or living in a dream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fortunately, there is no one who doubts that you live in a fairyland
>>>>>> where not answering questions is how you search for the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Xns9B01BA129A710Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:6oork.204076$gc5.21118@pd7urf2no:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> German people who experience the bombardments of civilians in
>>>>>>>>> Germany know where they are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jews who lived in germany experienced all the hospitality of of
>> those
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> same civilians...while be worked to death so german women wouldn't
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> help germanys war effort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You do not know if you are in existence or living in a dream.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there is no one who doubts that you live in a
>> fairyland
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> not answering questions is how you search for the truth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "albertus magnus II"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:6h68k6Fj3r7dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>>>>>>> news:WkVqk.98309$nD.31697@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>>>>>>> The holocaust is a money making machine and located in Las Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>> Nevada. Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fuckface Knoll is a lying machine and located in Kitimat, BC,
>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "emma"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:g8gulf$qtp$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you'd like to...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Know the truth about the "Holocaust"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/EG33NG90E36Y/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Hoax-Twentieth-Century-Extermination-
>>>>>>>> Holocaust/d
>>>>>>>>>>>> p/0967985692/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Dissecting-Holocaust-Growing-Critique-
>>>>>>>> Handbooks/
>>>>>>>>>>>> dp/0967985625/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:54:00 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>What I find amusing about the gas chambers is there was a delousing chamber 
>this in essence is a gas chamber. The only other problem here it was too 
>small to hold up to about 2000 Jews. And there is also the stories about the 
>gas came thru the shower heads. I would be very much interested how the gas 
>was entered into the shower room plumbing till it reaches the shower heads. 
>and then we also have the columns covered with wire mess. What was the wire 
>mess used for and a drawing would be very welcome.

These stories have logic holes large enough to accommodate a fleet of
trucks. I find most of the stories totally preposterous, and whenever
I have asked for some explanation, I have been referred to the
ridiculous findings of the political show-trial at Nürnberg or I have
been shouted down by holocaustorians.


>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"ZULU"  wrote in message news:g8ml79$qof$1@aioe.org...
>> I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>
>>> ZULU  wrote in news:g8hivs$jci$1@aioe.org:
>>>
>>>
>>>>RJ11 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article , ZULU   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>RJ11 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  What zone?  The SS HQ was on the other side of the camp from the
>>>>>>>Kremas.  Why would they build the "air-raid shelter" so far from
>>>>>>>their HQ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I mean the zone of the "killing factories"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL, see the distribution of personal working there:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/labor-force/19440728/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   The one that lists no less than 900 stokers working in
>>>>>the Kremas.  Why does one camp require such a number of
>>>>>stokers?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>We can imagine that some SS guards and officers were in charge of those 
>>>>>>people
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was also an hospital with SS medics near the Kremas as well as 
>>>>>>Zentral Sauna where many SS were in charge of the control.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   And you're asserting -- without a shred of evidence -- that
>>>>>the SS used the Krema cellars as "air-aid shelters" for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>   No testimony,  no document,  no logical thought process
>>>>>to support this insanity.  But you don't care,  do you.
>>>>
>>>>LOL. NO document showed by Pressac, a slight nuance...
>>>>
>>>>Why don't we have any document concerning the proved material
>>>>transformation of the morgue of Krema I in an air shelter?
>>>>
>>>>How can you assume that nothing could be find among 80,000 documents of
>>>>construction available?
>>>>I repeat, those archives should be a gold mine for the revisionism.
>>>  Assumptions, but no proof.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>   And it gets even better -- just yesterday,  you said that
>>>>>the entrance to the cellar was "too small" for it to serve
>>>>>as a gas chamber.  But now you're saying it was large enough
>>>>>for people who have to enter an air-raid shelter in the
>>>>>maximum possible speed.
>>>>
>>>>The SS weren't 2000 on that zone, moron.
>>>>
>>>>That door was too small for a crowd of 2000 people to be gassed.
>>>>Especially when 1000 outside become aware there are to be killed at the
>>>>same time 1000 in panic are already in with 14 shower heads only to them
>>>>!!!! .
>>>>How can you make them enter that room through so LITTLE 1 yard entrance?
>>>>
>>> bang, bang
>>
>> Oh yes, shooting from where to who?
>> Do you think that at that crowded little underground vestibule it was 
>> supposed to have a comfortable post to the SS?
>> With only 5 cadavers at the door you block totally the entrance.
>> What you will do is just to increase the panic.
>> Imagine 1000 people on 1 side and 1000 on the other side of that little 
>> door!
>>
>> What a mess, that story! 
>


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:54:54 -0700 (PDT), The UnaPoet
 wrote:

>On Aug 22, 12:45 pm, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> What I find amusing about the gas chambers is there was a delousing chamber
>> this in essence is a gas chamber. The only other problem here it was too
>> small to hold up to about 2000 Jews. And there is also the stories about the
>> gas came thru the shower heads. I would be very much interested how the gas
>> was entered into the shower room plumbing till it reaches the shower heads.
>> and then we also have the columns covered with wire mess. What was the wire
>> mess used for and a drawing would be very welcome.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>Only a Jew could make up lies like those, actually believe them, and
>convince goys to believe the bullshit, too. Just like Moses and the
>burning bush, the ten commandments and all the other silly myths and
>fables that form the
>basis of "Judeo-Christian" culture.
>
>How pathetic, our civilization is all based on lies, and we are ruled
>by liars.

It is our own fault. All we need to do to free ourselves is to ignore
the liars and manipulators. No violence of any sort is needed. The
moment we no longer jump when they say jump, their power is broken. If
violence begins, it will begin with them, and we would be justified in
responding in kind.




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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>
>"RJ11"  wrote in message news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> In article ,
>> Kurt Knoll  wrote:
>>
>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who
>>> did declare a finical war against Germany.
>>
>>   Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed
>> his will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the
>> ruler of Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German
>> goods.
>>
>Are you sure this is true.

I doubt that it is true. I own an original German printing of the
book. What I would like to know is where to find this item in the
book. If RJ11 cannot supply a page number, then perhaps he can give a
general chapter location of his claim. I doubt very much that his
claim is true. It is really a rather dry book that is better than a
sleeping pill, but I have yet to find any of the fantastic claims that
holocaustorians make for it.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>>   Now,  as I asked "Cramer" a few times:  suppose that nation
>> X would elect a leader who stated that he wants to kill
>> Australians with poison gas.  Would it not be reasonable to
>> expect that quite a few Australians would call to boycott
>> goods made in nation X?
>>
>>   And who would be considered the guilty party in this
>> conflict?  Australia,  or nation X?
>>
>>   What do you think,  Kurt?
>>
>> RJ. 
>


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:01:46 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>There you go Kenneth. Did the poles harass the German ethnics or not. I want 
>an honest answer from you and not a marry go round.

People like McVay are the principal reason that I no longer believe in
the holocaust™. McVay has been caught in too many lies to have much
credibility.

The nonsense he wrote about "without warning or provocation" is
typical of his lies. Every kid in the street knew that Poland was the
final stage in undoing Versailles. All previous German governments had
demanded the return of the entire corridor, including the German city
of Danzig. Negotiations were going reasonably well until the British
sent a plenipotentiary to Warsaw to encourage the Poles to be as
obstinate and irritating as possible. Negotions broke off the very
next day, and I rather doubt that this was coincidence. The Polish
mistreatment of all minorities, including the German minority was well
known and well documented both during and before Hitler's term of
office.

The British historian AJP Taylor wrote an excellent book on the
diplomatic actions leading up to WW2. Unlike shallow propagandists
like McVay, Taylor does a thorough and scholarly analysis. That
analysis does not support McVay's crap.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>news:neKdnYkR3anyRDPVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article ,
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>It is a matter of historical record that Britain and France attacked
>>>Germany, not the other way around. Poland was just a pretext much like
>>>the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
>>
>> It is a matter of historical record that NAZI Germany attacked Poland
>> without warning or provication. It is also a matter of historical record
>> that Leading Revisionist Scholar Johannes von Ebersdorf is a documented
>> liar.
>>
>> On August 14, 2008, you claimed, "All I've heard here from you or
>> from hate-mongers like McVay is warmed over WW1 propaganda.
>> It was all disproven the first time, and it isn't too fucking
>> likely to be true the second time." Document these "warmed
>> over" pieces of propaganda, and document their falsity.
>>
>> You have claimed that "All the Nürnberg documents presented by the
>> allies are copies of a copy and none of the originals have ever been
>> found," In fact, the originals are held in the Yale Law Library.
>>
>> You have claimed that the Jewish death toll must have been under 500,000,
>> but have yet to provide supporting data, or show that scholars' estimates
>> of millions of casualties are deliberate fabrications.
>>
>> You have failed to document your assertion that some "German puppet
>> regime" accepted German responsibility for the Katyn massacre, which
>> is patent nonsense.
>>
>> You have not proven your assertion that American bases in Germany may
>> contain graves of the "victims" of the "Eisenhower death camps," and
>> you have yet to document your claim that "The victims were generally
>> taken away by dumptruck each morning" and "buried in mass graves in and
>> around the city."
>>
>> Please support your claim that, "The Poles have always been dramatically
>> more anti-Semitic than Germans ever were" by providing academic source
>> studies.
>>
>> Which "Dachau story" was it that "collapsed in 1946," as you
>> claimed on July 22, 2008?
>>
>> For instance, can you tell us, using documentary citations, who
>> made the "suggestions" you referenced on July 19th when you wrote,
>> "Eye witness testimony is so unreliable that there have been
>> suggestions that it should not be used in a trial in the absence
>> of physical evidence such as DNA, fingerprints, etc."
>>
>> We're still waiting for your documentation about those
>> documents introduced into evidence at Nurnberg which you claim were
>> available in English long before they were available in German.
>>
>> We're also still waiting for your documentary evidence that most of
>> the Nurnberg evidenciary documents were forgeries.
>>
>> You have yet to prove that "The allies were the authors of Terror
>> Bombing," as you claimed on July 18, 2008.
>>
>> -- 
>> "What did you say. Did the burry the train with the show wen
>> can you show us the buried train Sara. As you know seeing is beliving."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 
>


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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:16:35 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:30:00 +0200, ZULU  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>
>>>> ZULU  wrote in news:g8d16r$1fk$1@aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My solution has two parts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, the mainstream American has the sense to know the truth when
>>>>>> he hears it and they present evidence. 
>>>>> The last attack against Iraq with false "proofs" of WMD and Al Qaeda
>>>>> connection is a good example of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly all Foxed American people supported that bullshitted war while
>>>>> more than 70% of European people were against it.
>>>>>
>>>>> They'd better to hear the wise advice of German and French.
>>>>>
>>>> The French. The only war the French ever won was the Revolution, and only 
>>>> because they were fighting the French.
>>> Lafayette or Austerlitz are not in your archives?
>> 
>> It is refreshing to note that poor Joe is as full of shit on all areas
>> of history as he is on the 20th century.
>> 
>> France was the dominant European power for longer than the USA has
>> existed, and it managed to build up a world-spanning colonial empire
>> for itself. They are much better soldiers than the Americans ever
>> were.
>
>Ah, the old "your soldiers suck" troll.  Haven't seen that for a while.

Actually, that is more your refrain than mine. I was merely responding
to some stupid American French-bashing. There wasn't a whole lot wrong
with the French or with their soldiers. Their mistake was to let
themselves be talked into a war by the British and then left by the
same British to fend for themselves against an enemy that the plan
called for combined action, not just French action on its own.


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:19:56 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/24/2008 4:44 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> In article ,
>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Israelis must be dreadfully stupid 
>>> Germans must have been dreadfully stupid to elect a blood-
>>> thirsty beast to rule over them,  to have murdered millions
>>> of innocent people,  and to have started a war which ended
>>> in the complete destruction of Germany.
>> 
>> The last time I looked, it was still there and was still the principal
>> European state much as it was in 1900. Every life lost in the totally
>> unnecessary allied-instigated wars labelled as WW1 and WW2 was a
>> wasted life signifying nothing. The Québecois were the most
>> intelligent by not getting involved, but the people of Germany had no
>> choice but to be involved.
>
>That's all very lovely except that the Québécois were involved.

LOL

They couldn't be sent overseas unless they volunteered. Other
Canadians were simply conscripted.

>
>>>  I assume that means
>>> that your parents were dreadfully stupid,  because they
>>> were adult people when all this took place.  And,  I'm
>>> sorry to say,  you're not too bright either.
>> 
>> That must explain why I kept crossing the stage to receive more prizes
>> at my secondary school at graduation and also my university. You seem
>> to be an ignorant jackass.
>
>Oh dear, the troll deepens.


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:02:49 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 24, 6:51 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote innews:kik3b4t7dc5otrqi7v60l34uc2lptfnas2@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:29:17 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>> >>news:sqKrk.34951$1p1.23589@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>> >>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>> >>>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:30:00 +0200, ZULU  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> ZULU  wrote innews:g8d16r$1fk$1@aioe.org:
>>
>> >>>>>>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>> My solution has two parts:
>>
>> >>>>>>>> However, the mainstream American has the sense to know the truth
>> >>>>>>>> when he hears it and they present evidence.
>> >>>>>>> The last attack against Iraq with false "proofs" of WMD and Al
>> >>>>>>> Qaeda connection is a good example of it.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Mostly all Foxed American people supported that bullshitted war
>> >>>>>>> while more than 70% of European people were against it.
>>
>> >>>>>>> They'd better to hear the wise advice of German and French.
>>
>> >>>>>> The French. The only war the French ever won was the Revolution,
>> >>>>>> and only because they were fighting the French.
>> >>>>> Lafayette or Austerlitz are not in your archives?
>>
>> >>>> It is refreshing to note that poor Joe is as full of shit on all
>> >>>> areas of history as he is on the 20th century.
>>
>> >>>> France was the dominant European power for longer than the USA has
>> >>>> existed, and it managed to build up a world-spanning colonial empire
>> >>>> for itself. They are much better soldiers than the Americans ever
>> >>>> were.
>>
>> >>> Ah, the old "your soldiers suck" troll.  Haven't seen that for a
>> >>> while.
>>
>> >>Hardly a troll if it's based on truth.
>>
>> >>Point out a single war the Yanks have won on their own.
>>
>> >>You can't.
>>
>> > Yanks like to profit from the sacrifices and blood of others. That has
>> > generally been their way. Most of the time, Americans like to attack
>> > countries with populations less than 5% of the American population.
>> > Much more than that, and they need to assemble a big coalition to
>> > transfer the casualties to others.
>>
>> Much like the germans in WW2. Big brave when fighting Belgium, Holland and
>> Norway or threatening Sweden. But strangely enough scared of Switzerland.
>>
>
>When fighting Poland + Britain + France + the US + Canada + USSR...
>Scared of Switz?  Respectful of Switz.

Indeed, Switzerland was hardly an issue when you're already fighting
53 countries simultaneously. The fact is that occupying Switzerland
was not important for Germany's security, so they didn't bother.

>
>> Please point out a single war the germans have won on their own?
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Gord McFee
>> >>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> >>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> >>>http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>
>>


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Philip Mathews
 wrote:

>On Aug 24, 5:50 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:54:00 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >What I find amusing about the gas chambers is there was a delousing chamber
>> >this in essence is a gas chamber. The only other problem here it was too
>> >small to hold up to about 2000 Jews. And there is also the stories about the
>> >gas came thru the shower heads. I would be very much interested how the gas
>> >was entered into the shower room plumbing till it reaches the shower heads.
>> >and then we also have the columns covered with wire mess. What was the wire
>> >mess used for and a drawing would be very welcome.
>>
>> These stories have logic holes large enough to accommodate a fleet of
>> trucks. I find most of the stories totally preposterous, and whenever
>> I have asked for some explanation, I have been referred to the
>> ridiculous findings of the political show-trial at Nürnberg or I have
>> been shouted down by holocaustorians.
>
>I suspect you've been told you are an idiot and a liar.
>
>No eyewitness to gassing, whether German, Jewish or Polish has ever
>said the gas came out of showerheads.
>
>We know very well from the evidence where the gas came from.

Your idea of "evidence" is not scientifically rigorous. It remains
under the heading of conjecture.



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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:55:02 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Lost again hey nobody is bigger liar than a Jew like yourself.

I suspect that I'm rather smarter than Phil, so I'm not going to worry
about his sniping.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9B04A20D7924BTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> Philip Mathews  wrote in
>> news:ec7094e2-ed83-4343-a6a4-c789c0897df2@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Aug 24, 5:50 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:54:00 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >What I find amusing about the gas chambers is there was a delousing
>>>> >cham
>>> ber
>>>> >this in essence is a gas chamber. The only other problem here it was
>>>> >too small to hold up to about 2000 Jews. And there is also the stories
>>>> >about
>>>  the
>>>> >gas came thru the shower heads. I would be very much interested how
>>>> >the
>>> gas
>>>> >was entered into the shower room plumbing till it reaches the shower
>>>> >hea
>>> ds.
>>>> >and then we also have the columns covered with wire mess. What was the
>>>> >w
>>> ire
>>>> >mess used for and a drawing would be very welcome.
>>>>
>>>> These stories have logic holes large enough to accommodate a fleet of
>>>> trucks. I find most of the stories totally preposterous, and whenever
>>>> I have asked for some explanation, I have been referred to the
>>>> ridiculous findings of the political show-trial at Nürnberg or I have
>>>> been shouted down by holocaustorians.
>>>
>>> I suspect you've been told you are an idiot and a liar.
>>>
>>> No eyewitness to gassing, whether German, Jewish or Polish has ever
>>> said the gas came out of showerheads.
>>>
>>> We know very well from the evidence where the gas came from.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Philip Mathews
>>>
>>
>> Ebe is a practioner of history by lying. Almost every post of his has the
>> agenda of demonizing Americans and Jews. He's not quite smart enough to be
>> classified an anti-semite but is dumb enough to be a knollohoaxer.
>> 
>
>


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:38:52 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
>news:271ba47b-74ee-405b-bee1-43a31643ffce@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 22, 11:26 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> RJ11 wrote:
>> > In article , ZULU  wrote:
>>
>> >>RJ11 wrote:
>>
>> >>> The one that lists no less than 900 stokers working in
>> >>>the Kremas. Why does one camp require such a number of
>> >>>stokers?
>>
>> >>>>We can imagine that some SS guards and officers were in charge
>> >>>>of those people
>>
>> >>>>It was also an hospital with SS medics near the Kremas as well as
>> >>>>Zentral Sauna where many SS were in charge of the control.
>>
>> >>> And you're asserting -- without a shred of evidence -- that
>> >>>the SS used the Krema cellars as "air-aid shelters" for them.
>>
>> >>> No testimony, no document, no logical thought process
>> >>>to support this insanity. But you don't care, do you.
>>
>> >>LOL. NO document showed by Pressac, a slight nuance...
>>
>> > No document, period.
>>
>> >>Why don't we have any document concerning the proved material
>> >>transformation of the morgue of Krema I in an air shelter?
>>
>> > http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0156.htm
>> > http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0157.htm
>>
>> >>How can you assume that nothing could be find among 80,000
>> >>documents of construction available?
>>
>> > So your "proof" is that the document *may* exist?
>>
>> >>> And it gets even better -- just yesterday, you said that
>> >>>the entrance to the cellar was "too small" for it to serve
>> >>>as a gas chamber. But now you're saying it was large enough
>> >>>for people who have to enter an air-raid shelter in the
>> >>>maximum possible speed.
>>
>> >>The SS weren't 2000 on that zone, moron.
>>
>> > You're saying there were so many SS around that they required
>> > two huge "air-raid shelters", and then you're saying that the
>> > doors of the "air-raid shelters" were too small for people to
>> > enter in a hurry.
>>
>> > It's quite amusing to see you somersault back and forth,
>> > little one.
>>
>> > RJ.
>>
>> It is amusing to observe your desperate tentative to make that little door 
>> more practical
>> to "gas 2000 people" than to serve as entrance to a second stage of SS 
>> protection.
>>
>> Remember that the main entrance to underground was a fair large stairway 
>> to the morgue 2
>> that you insist in calling "undressing room". The entry to the second room 
>> would be
>> without rush.
>
>>And the moron Zulu would have us believe this large stairway to a
>>"morgue" would be needed to carry the corpses to the morgue?
>
>>Makes sensel, right?
>
>
>Another dyslexic Holohuxter raises his head.
>
>What is it with you people and your lack of education and ability? Is 
>whining, lying and hurling invective all you've got?

That pretty much sums up everything I've seen from that bunch for
years. They assume that everybody is as slow-witted as they are.

>
>I doubt I'll bother with you from here on in, Mathews. You're too stupid to 
>bother with.
>
>TTFN.
>
>


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:09:44 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"Truth Will Out"  wrote in message 
>news:wHqsk.31137$IK1.29490@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
>> news:271ba47b-74ee-405b-bee1-43a31643ffce@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 22, 11:26 am, ZULU  wrote:
>>> RJ11 wrote:
>>> > In article , ZULU  wrote:
>>>
>>> >>RJ11 wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> The one that lists no less than 900 stokers working in
>>> >>>the Kremas. Why does one camp require such a number of
>>> >>>stokers?
>>>
>>> >>>>We can imagine that some SS guards and officers were in charge
>>> >>>>of those people
>>>
>>> >>>>It was also an hospital with SS medics near the Kremas as well as
>>> >>>>Zentral Sauna where many SS were in charge of the control.
>>>
>>> >>> And you're asserting -- without a shred of evidence -- that
>>> >>>the SS used the Krema cellars as "air-aid shelters" for them.
>>>
>>> >>> No testimony, no document, no logical thought process
>>> >>>to support this insanity. But you don't care, do you.
>>>
>>> >>LOL. NO document showed by Pressac, a slight nuance...
>>>
>>> > No document, period.
>>>
>>> >>Why don't we have any document concerning the proved material
>>> >>transformation of the morgue of Krema I in an air shelter?
>>>
>>> > http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0156.htm
>>> > http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0157.htm
>>>
>>> >>How can you assume that nothing could be find among 80,000
>>> >>documents of construction available?
>>>
>>> > So your "proof" is that the document *may* exist?
>>>
>>> >>> And it gets even better -- just yesterday, you said that
>>> >>>the entrance to the cellar was "too small" for it to serve
>>> >>>as a gas chamber. But now you're saying it was large enough
>>> >>>for people who have to enter an air-raid shelter in the
>>> >>>maximum possible speed.
>>>
>>> >>The SS weren't 2000 on that zone, moron.
>>>
>>> > You're saying there were so many SS around that they required
>>> > two huge "air-raid shelters", and then you're saying that the
>>> > doors of the "air-raid shelters" were too small for people to
>>> > enter in a hurry.
>>>
>>> > It's quite amusing to see you somersault back and forth,
>>> > little one.
>>>
>>> > RJ.
>>>
>>> It is amusing to observe your desperate tentative to make that little 
>>> door more practical
>>> to "gas 2000 people" than to serve as entrance to a second stage of SS 
>>> protection.
>>>
>>> Remember that the main entrance to underground was a fair large stairway 
>>> to the morgue 2
>>> that you insist in calling "undressing room". The entry to the second 
>>> room would be
>>> without rush.
>>
>>>And the moron Zulu would have us believe this large stairway to a
>>>"morgue" would be needed to carry the corpses to the morgue?
>>
>>>Makes sensel, right?
>>
>>
>> Another dyslexic Holohuxter raises his head.
>>
>> What is it with you people and your lack of education and ability? Is 
>> whining, lying and hurling invective all you've got?
>>
>> I doubt I'll bother with you from here on in, Mathews. You're too stupid 
>> to bother with.
>>
>> TTFN.
>
>I see you've met Philthy Mathews. Gobshite extraordinaire, him.
>
>Most of us have the little wanker killfiled.

I figure that I will follow suit and dump Phil in the garbage bin.

>
>
>>
>>
>> 


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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:29:18 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who 
>>>>> did declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the 
>>>> ruler of Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German 
>>>> goods.
>>>> 
>>> Are you sure this is true.
>> 
>> I doubt that it is true.
>
>You are wrong.
>
>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>
>So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>
>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>
>Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.

You are a moron, McFee. Hitler is describing his own experiences and
those of his fellow soldiers in an allied poison gas attack. The
passage is light-years away from suggesting an extermination policy
against Jews. This type of distortion seems to be typical of the
holocaust™ industry.

>
>"Mein Kampf", Vol II, page 772
>
>> If RJ11 cannot supply a page number, then perhaps he can give a 
>> general chapter location of his claim. I doubt very much that his 
>> claim is true. It is really a rather dry book that is better than a 
>> sleeping pill, but I have yet to find any of the fantastic claims
>> that holocaustorians make for it.
>
>I suggest you refine your research techniques.


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:06:56 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>Interesting McFee can one see the aging of your book to analyze its age.

It seems that McFee's understanding of a German text is pretty
primitive. The passage is totally unconnected with concentration camps
or with alleged genocidal intentions. Hitler is merely recollecting
his own experiences with poison gas, which is one of the reasons that
he never permitted it to be used.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>news:phlsk.50253$6p1.32754@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who did 
>>>>>> declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>>>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the ruler of 
>>>>> Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German goods.
>>>>>
>>>> Are you sure this is true.
>>>
>>> I doubt that it is true.
>>
>> You are wrong.
>>
>>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>
>> So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>
>>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>
>> Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>> fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>> gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>> allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>> Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.
>>
>> "Mein Kampf", Vol II, page 772
>>
>>> If RJ11 cannot supply a page number, then perhaps he can give a general 
>>> chapter location of his claim. I doubt very much that his claim is true. 
>>> It is really a rather dry book that is better than a sleeping pill, but I 
>>> have yet to find any of the fantastic claims
>>> that holocaustorians make for it.
>>
>> I suggest you refine your research techniques.
>>
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>> 
>
>


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:45:09 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 25, 10:06 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> Interesting McFee can one see the aging of your book to analyze its age.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:phlsk.50253$6p1.32754@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>
>> > On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>
>> >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>
>> >>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>> >>>news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> >>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>> >>>>  wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who did
>> >>>>> declare a finical war against Germany.
>> >>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>> >>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the ruler of
>> >>>> Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German goods.
>>
>> >>> Are you sure this is true.
>>
>> >> I doubt that it is true.
>>
>> > You are wrong.
>>
>> >> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>
>> > So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>
>> >> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>
>> > Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>> > fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>> > gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>> > allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>> > Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.
>>
>> > "Mein Kampf", Vol II, page 772
>>
>> >> If RJ11 cannot supply a page number, then perhaps he can give a general
>> >> chapter location of his claim. I doubt very much that his claim is true.
>> >> It is really a rather dry book that is better than a sleeping pill, but I
>> >> have yet to find any of the fantastic claims
>> >> that holocaustorians make for it.
>>
>> > I suggest you refine your research techniques.
>>
>> > --
>> > Gord McFee
>> > I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> >http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>
>>
>
>Look at Sara Salman's signature.  She uses a quote from Penn Jillette
>who is a self acknowledged poker cheat(he wrote a book on the
>subject).  She tries to stifle dissent by quoting some famous person
>in the hopes that we will listen to him; he's an expert you see
>because he's a celebrity.  Both Salzman and Penn say:  'Don't even
>question the holocaust'.  A celebrity has said so!

McFee's quotation from Mein Kampf is a non-sequitur that has no
connection at all with the alleged holocaust™. It is the type of
misrepresentation that I have come to expect from the holocaust™
industry.


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT), Philip Mathews
 wrote:

>On Aug 25, 4:30 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Philip Mathews
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Aug 24, 5:50 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:54:00 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >What I find amusing about the gas chambers is there was a delousing chamber
>> >> >this in essence is a gas chamber. The only other problem here it was too
>> >> >small to hold up to about 2000 Jews. And there is also the stories about the
>> >> >gas came thru the shower heads. I would be very much interested how the gas
>> >> >was entered into the shower room plumbing till it reaches the shower heads.
>> >> >and then we also have the columns covered with wire mess. What was the wire
>> >> >mess used for and a drawing would be very welcome.
>>
>> >> These stories have logic holes large enough to accommodate a fleet of
>> >> trucks. I find most of the stories totally preposterous, and whenever
>> >> I have asked for some explanation, I have been referred to the
>> >> ridiculous findings of the political show-trial at Nürnberg or I have
>> >> been shouted down by holocaustorians.
>>
>> >I suspect you've been told you are an idiot and a liar.
>>
>> >No eyewitness to gassing, whether German, Jewish or Polish has ever
>> >said the gas came out of showerheads.
>>
>> >We know very well from the evidence where the gas came from.
>>
>> Your idea of "evidence" is not scientifically rigorous.
>
>Bullshit.
>
>Now try to keep up with the discussion.

You were never in the discussion, so what is your whine?



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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Philip Mathews
 wrote:

>On Aug 25, 4:35 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:09:44 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Truth Will Out"  wrote in message
>> >news:wHqsk.31137$IK1.29490@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> >> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
>> >>news:271ba47b-74ee-405b-bee1-43a31643ffce@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Aug 22, 11:26 am, ZULU  wrote:
>> >>> RJ11 wrote:
>> >>> > In article , ZULU  wrote:
>>
>> >>> >>RJ11 wrote:
>>
>> >>> >>> The one that lists no less than 900 stokers working in
>> >>> >>>the Kremas. Why does one camp require such a number of
>> >>> >>>stokers?
>>
>> >>> >>>>We can imagine that some SS guards and officers were in charge
>> >>> >>>>of those people
>>
>> >>> >>>>It was also an hospital with SS medics near the Kremas as well as
>> >>> >>>>Zentral Sauna where many SS were in charge of the control.
>>
>> >>> >>> And you're asserting -- without a shred of evidence -- that
>> >>> >>>the SS used the Krema cellars as "air-aid shelters" for them.
>>
>> >>> >>> No testimony, no document, no logical thought process
>> >>> >>>to support this insanity. But you don't care, do you.
>>
>> >>> >>LOL. NO document showed by Pressac, a slight nuance...
>>
>> >>> > No document, period.
>>
>> >>> >>Why don't we have any document concerning the proved material
>> >>> >>transformation of the morgue of Krema I in an air shelter?
>>
>> >>> >http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0156.htm
>> >>> >http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0157.htm
>>
>> >>> >>How can you assume that nothing could be find among 80,000
>> >>> >>documents of construction available?
>>
>> >>> > So your "proof" is that the document *may* exist?
>>
>> >>> >>> And it gets even better -- just yesterday, you said that
>> >>> >>>the entrance to the cellar was "too small" for it to serve
>> >>> >>>as a gas chamber. But now you're saying it was large enough
>> >>> >>>for people who have to enter an air-raid shelter in the
>> >>> >>>maximum possible speed.
>>
>> >>> >>The SS weren't 2000 on that zone, moron.
>>
>> >>> > You're saying there were so many SS around that they required
>> >>> > two huge "air-raid shelters", and then you're saying that the
>> >>> > doors of the "air-raid shelters" were too small for people to
>> >>> > enter in a hurry.
>>
>> >>> > It's quite amusing to see you somersault back and forth,
>> >>> > little one.
>>
>> >>> > RJ.
>>
>> >>> It is amusing to observe your desperate tentative to make that little
>> >>> door more practical
>> >>> to "gas 2000 people" than to serve as entrance to a second stage of SS
>> >>> protection.
>>
>> >>> Remember that the main entrance to underground was a fair large stairway
>> >>> to the morgue 2
>> >>> that you insist in calling "undressing room". The entry to the second
>> >>> room would be
>> >>> without rush.
>>
>> >>>And the moron Zulu would have us believe this large stairway to a
>> >>>"morgue" would be needed to carry the corpses to the morgue?
>>
>> >>>Makes sensel, right?
>>
>> >> Another dyslexic Holohuxter raises his head.
>>
>> >> What is it with you people and your lack of education and ability? Is
>> >> whining, lying and hurling invective all you've got?
>>
>> >> I doubt I'll bother with you from here on in, Mathews. You're too stupid
>> >> to bother with.
>>
>> >> TTFN.
>>
>> >I see you've met Philthy Mathews. Gobshite extraordinaire, him.
>>
>> >Most of us have the little wanker killfiled.
>>
>> I figure that I will follow suit and dump Phil in the garbage bin.
>
>Best do so, because trying to respond will only result in even greater
>humiliation.
>
>That won't prevent me from pointing out your idiocies, however.
>
>And by the way, Cramer Infection endured years of embarrassment before
>deciding it was better not to read the responses to his drivel.

There hasn't been a first humiliation, airhead Phil. You don't have
the mental goods to achieve that.


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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:07:50 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>news:ju56b45c8v6sjr598hfe938g3bmkpcf2rd@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:29:18 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who
>>>>>>> did declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>>>>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the
>>>>>> ruler of Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German
>>>>>> goods.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure this is true.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that it is true.
>>>
>>>You are wrong.
>>>
>>>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>>
>>>So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>>
>>>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>>
>>>Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>>>fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>>>gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>>>allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>>>Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.
>>
>> You are a moron, McFee. Hitler is describing his own experiences and
>> those of his fellow soldiers in an allied poison gas attack. The
>> passage is light-years away from suggesting an extermination policy
>> against Jews. This type of distortion seems to be typical of the
>> holocaustT industry.
>
>His post is pretty common to the Holocaust Industry's approach to supporting 
>their strange and fanciful stories. They cherry pick quotes etc, always out 
>of context, and attempt to build a federal case from those few words.
>
>When it is discovered what they are up to and this discovery is made known, 
>the person involved in outing their behaviour is labelled an anti-semite in 
>very short order.
>
>Not only have they created the most productive extortion racket ever to have 
>been put into action, they also have legislative protection rackets in place 
>to keep the money rolling in.
>
>
It does appear to be all about money, so much of it as a matter of
fact that they will fight tooth and nail to kept the fable upright.



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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:34:42 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
wrote:

>There ja go Philip I knew a guy who was in Iks camp who shall I believe.

That proves to me that Phil is an airhead, and I'm glad that I have
put him in a usenet filter.

We had relatives in some of those camps. The death rates were very
high, and local townspeople were threatened with execution if they
brought any food or water to the prisoners.

>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
>news:f2201001-be71-4016-852f-57f202821d6b@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 25, 8:59 pm, Bent Attorney  wrote:
>> On Aug 25, 8:39 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 25, 8:16 pm, Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>
>> > > On Aug 25, 6:50 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>
>> > > > German transport records indicate more than 1.3 million people were
>> > > > transported to Auschwitz during the Holocaust. They also indicate
>> > > > those shipped out of Auschwitz to other locations. Factoring in 
>> > > > those
>> > > > remaining at liberation, and the number of escapees, more than 1.1
>> > > > million people were transported to Auschwitz than left. What 
>> > > > happened
>> > > > to those 1.1 million people?
>>
>> > > > Consider in your response the following additional information.
>>
>> > > > 1. Even before the end of the war news about the gassing of Jews was
>> > > > received by the Polish underground from members in the camp.
>> > > > Additionally, prisoners, both Jewish and non Jewish, escaped and
>> > > > supplied written reports of the gassings. All of these reached the
>> > > > west.
>>
>> > > > 2. Numerous Nazis from the camp admitted that the Jews were gassed 
>> > > > in
>> > > > gas chambers. Among these were the camp commandant and one of the 
>> > > > camp
>> > > > doctors.
>>
>> > > > 3. Engineers from the firm which supplied the cremation ovens and 
>> > > > the
>> > > > ventilation systems for the gas chambers testified to gassings at
>> > > > Auschwitz.
>>
>> > > > 4. Surviving Sonderkommandos, Jewish inmates assigned to assist in 
>> > > > the
>> > > > disposal of gassed inmates, provided detailed accounts of the 
>> > > > process.
>> > > > Approximately 80 SK members survived the war. A dozen or more
>> > > > testified in trials or in front of commissions. Many others provided
>> > > > evidence through memoirs, interviews and documentaries.
>>
>> > > > 5. Literally thousands of Jewish survivors of Auschwitz have 
>> > > > testified
>> > > > in various ways to the conditions in the camp; to the disappearance 
>> > > > of
>> > > > the larger part of their transport upon arrival; to the constant
>> > > > “selections” among registered inmates, followed by their
>> > > > disappearance; to the ongoing operation of the crematoria with the
>> > > > attendant smoke and stench of burning human flesh; to the inhumanity
>> > > > of the Nazi staff; and to the deadly conditions under which they 
>> > > > were
>> > > > forced to live.
>>
>> > > > 6. Three "diaries" of non surviving Sonderkommandos, found buried on
>> > > > the Auschwitz grounds in the two decades or so after the war, 
>> > > > discuss
>> > > > the murderous activity.
>>
>> > > > 7. Christian Poles testified to the gassing of Jews in the Auschwitz
>> > > > main camp, to assisting in the transformation of two peasant 
>> > > > cottages
>> > > > in Birkenau into gas chambers, and to the construction of the wire
>> > > > mesh devices used in Krema II and III for introducing the Zyklon B
>> > > > gas.
>>
>> > > > 8. Built on the grounds of Birkenau were four large Crematoria, with 
>> > > > a
>> > > > massive cremation capacity of 46 muffles, capable of incinerating
>> > > > thousands of corpses per day as both Nazi documents and testimonial
>> > > > evidence of those who worked in them attest.
>>
>> > > > 9. Each of these structures contains rooms identified by the
>> > > > testimonial evidence, and indicated by the construction documents, 
>> > > > as
>> > > > homicidal gas chambers.
>>
>> > > > 10. Post war tests in 1946 and again in the early 1990's revealed 
>> > > > the
>> > > > presence of traces of HCN, the poisonous gas component of Zyklon B,
>> > > > which the testimony of Nazis, Poles and Jews indicated was employed.
>>
>> > > > 11. Construction documents indicate the installation of gas tight
>> > > > doors, gas detectors, and gas tight windows in these structures.
>>
>> > > > 12. Camp labor reports indicate the number of laborers at the 
>> > > > Birkenau
>> > > > crematoria throughout much of the camp’s history. During the summer 
>> > > > of
>> > > > 1944 when 400,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz in just 
>> > > > a
>> > > > few weeks, the number of laborers in the crematoria reached 600, 
>> > > > 700,
>> > > > and 800.
>>
>> > > > 13. Two construction documents found at Auschwitz identify the rooms
>> > > > known from other evidence to be homicidal gas chambers as a gassing
>> > > > cellar (vergasungskeller) and a gas chamber (gaskeller). A third
>> > > > document in the files of the oven manufacturer Topf and Sons also
>> > > > identifies a room in Krematoria II as a gas chamber (gaskeller).
>>
>> > > > 14. At liberation 7 tons of women’s hair, sacked and ready for
>> > > > shipment, were found. Both the hair and articles found in the hair,
>> > > > such as pins and clasps were tested and found to contain compounds 
>> > > > of
>> > > > prussic acid.
>>
>> > > What happened to 1 million missing Germans that were in Ike's camps?- 
>> > > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > There are no such missing Germans from any camps under Ike's control.
>>
>> > Try reading some real history, sad case.
>>
>> > But thanks for demonstrating that you are nothing more than an empty
>> > suit when it comes to the facts of the history.
>>
>> Thanks for the words of encouragement.
>
>I'm afraid you need more than that.
>
>> When I first heard about the US starving German POW's in the camps, it
>> shook my faith in the system.
>
>It should, because it's a lie.
>
>So you should feel even worse for believing it.
>
>But then morons tend to grasp at straws, such as a book written by a
>non-historian whose mistakes have been amply demonstrated by a bevy of
>historians.
>
>Try some other line with someone who actually might be fooled into
>thinking you know what you're talking about.


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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:06:13 -0700 (PDT), "Chris C. Larson"
 wrote:

>On Aug 26, 10:20 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
> wrote:
>> "UncleRemus"  wrote innews:YI2tk.16779$rD2.13370@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in message
>> >news:Xns9B06B61423160Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> >> "UncleRemus"  wrote in
>> >>news:Ck0tk.17369$De7.7221@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
>>
>> >>> "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in message
>> >>> news:e6015edb-4639-48a7-a728-477e96898a47
>> >> @t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> On Aug 26, 3:37 pm, "UncleRemus"  wrote:
>> >>>> "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in
>> >>>> messagenews:5fd1535c-819c-45be-9222-
>> >> 979558e95...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroup
>> >>>> s.com... On Aug 26, 12:24 pm, "UncleRemus" 
>> >>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> > "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in
>> >>>> > messagenews:fc82dc75-fd5a-4f00-8843-
>> >> 52aaa2ec6...@b2g2000prf.googlegrou
>> >>>> > ps.com... On Aug 25, 6:12 pm, "UncleRemus"
>> >>>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>>> > > "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in
>> >>>> > > messagenews:Xns9B059C60F9DB5Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>
>> >>>> > > > "UncleRemus"  wrote in
>> >>>> > > >news:r9Gsk.17950$vX2.4630@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
>>
>> >>>> > > >> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in
>> >>>> > > >> message
>> >>>> > > >>news:Xns9B057DB37F98BTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> >>>> > > >>> "Protagonist"  wrote in
>> >>>> > > >>>news:ys2dnSdb8MS0Ni_VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>> >>>> > > >>>> Look it that big blue blob on the US map, all ethnic
>> >>>> > > >>>> Germans, some
>> >>>> > > >>>> 53
>> >>>> > > >>>> millions. the largest..
>> >>>> > > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-
>> >> Ances
>> >>>> > > >>>>tries-
>> >>>> > > > b
>> >>>> > > >>>> y- County.jpg
>>
>> >>>> > > >>>> Now see the Jewsish 2%!
>> >>>> > > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jewish1346.gif
>>
>> >>>> > > >>>> All that Germans, but every where one looks Jews are in
>> >>>> > > >>>> control of
>> >>>> > > >>>> America, financialy and politicaly!
>> >>>> > > >>>> Why is that?
>> >>>> > > >>>> JS
>>
>> >>>> > > >>> Thank you for admitting that germans are inept and
>> >>>> > > >>> incompetent.
>>
>> >>>> > > >>>What you really mean is that Germans are not the vermin Jews
>> >>>> > > >>>are, yes?
>> >>>> > > >>>Strange it is how racist Jews and their Gentile supporters
>> >>>> > > >>>always footnote their criminality with innuendoes of Jew
>> >>>> > > >>>superiority or their
>> >>>> > > >>>victims' inferiority.
>> >>>> > > >> Of course, you did not dare deny or disprove the original
>> >>>> > > >> assertion of
>> >>>> > > >> racist Jew control.
>>
>> >>>> > > > But I did, you are just too inept and incompetent to understand
>> >>>> > > > irony.
>>
>> >>>> > > >> The racist Jews may run America, but the Chinese OWN America
>> >>>> > > >> and the
>> >>>> > > >> racist Jews to boot!!!!!
>>
>> >>>> > > > So it's the chinese that control America, but you think that's
>> >>>> > > > just fine.
>> >>>> > > > Why is that?
>>
>> >>>> > > > You are just too inept and incompetent to see the truth about
>> >>>> > > > racist Jewry.
>>
>> >>>> > > And *own* and *control* are two different matters, chump.
>> >>>> > > Besides, the Chinese are human beings, racist Jews are vermin.-
>> >>>> > > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >>>> > So "Uncle Remus" is a puddle of loose fecal matter. What's that got
>> >>>> > to do with the topic at hand? Even Ben "Rectal Exam" Cramer does
>> >>>> > better than that.
>>
>> >>>> > > You obviously don't know the difference between *own* and
>> >>>> > > *control* either, do you. As far as fecal matter is concerned,
>> >>>> > > I'd keep you family
>> >>>> > > and friends out of this altogether. It's bad enough to have
>> >>>> > > vermin to have to exterminate.
>>
>> >>>> > Your *topic at hand* should immediately be put back in your pants,
>> >>>> > stupid.
>> >>>> > Mr. Cramer is always SPOT ON when discussing the racist Jews and
>> >>>> > their Gentile fellow travelers.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >>>> Your hate of Jews is interesting. You and Rectal Exam and 1/2 a dozen
>> >>>> of the others claim that the "Jews have us firnly by the nuts"!!!
>> >>>> Funny, no one else thinks so. Get a life, get a job and blame
>> >>>> yourself for your own failures. "Da Jews" aren't the reason you
>> >>>> failed. You are.
>>
>> >>>> > Strange it is that whenever any non-Jew tells the TRUTH about the
>> >>>> > racist Jews he/she is immediately accused of hatred and, of course,
>> >>>> > anti-Semitism. Logically, you should be critical of the racist
>> >>>> > Jews' behaviours towards humans, the very behaviours that are
>> >>>> > observed/experienced and reported on by the victims of Jew racism.
>>
>> >>>> Also, whenever a human tells the TRUTH about racist Jewry, he/she is
>> >>>> labeled
>> >>>> a *lose*, a *failure*, an *unemployed* person, a person without a
>> >>>> *life*, and a *hater* by both the racist Jews and their Gentile
>> >>>> fellow travelers. Wishful thinking is the handiwork of racist Jews
>> >>>> and their Gentile footmen.
>> >>>> If only wishes could come true, you fool.
>>
>> >>>> The simple reality is this: If racist Jews didn't engage in their
>> >>>> wicked activities, there would be no reason for anyone to take them
>> >>>> to task. Don't
>> >>>> blame the messenger. The racist Jews are a message, and they've been
>> >>>> sending the same message for a long time in every society in which
>> >>>> the vermin a found.
>>
>> >>>> If you think *no one else* feels the way we do, you should take a
>> >>>> look at the video posted in this group of that racist New York Jew
>> >>>> boy crying in the
>> >>>> face of black Americans telling him and anyone else willing to listen
>> >>>> just how much Jew racists and Jew racism are hated.
>>
>> >>>> Remember, hate is a normal human emotion and reaction to hateful
>> >>>> behaviour.
>> >>>> The emotion does not generate itself. On the contrary, what you see a
>> >>>> *hate* is generated by the Jew via his/her racist activities.- Hide
>> >>>> quoted text -
>>
>> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >>> The "TRUTH"??  That's really amusing. My entire life I've lived
>> >>> among Jews, had Jewish friends and worked with Jews. And YOU get your
>> >>> information off the internet.  "take a look at this video and that Dr.
>> >>> Pierce speech, blah, blah, blah". You're just like the rest of the
>> >>> "hate Jews" crowd.  You're part of the gullible racist sheep who can't
>> >>> seem to take blame for their own failures. baaaa.
>>
>> >>>>I, too, have lived among racist Jews all of my life.  My conclusions
>> >>>>about racist Jewry are very different than yours.
>> >>> Insofar as Mr. Pierce's speech is concerned, he does not speak for me.
>> >>> I speak for myself.
>>
>> >> Not that we can see.
>>
>> >> You are blind.  Deal with it in a dignified way, rather than trying to
>> >> pass your sightlessness off as some kind of perceptive enlightenment.
>>
>> >>> I am neither gullible nor sheepish.
>>
>> >> But then again, you wouldn't know it, would you?
>>
>> >> But then again, you upon high, would know it, yes?   The intellectually
>> >> *superior* racist Jew and his Gentile footman know about such things,
>> >> of course.
>> > I guess there are some advantages to being a member of the *chosen
>> > people* and the harpies that support them.
>>
>> >>  I am an empiricist whose
>> >>> conclusions are based on observation.
>>
>> >> What observations?
>>
>> >> Ask Mr. Cramer.  His observations of the racist Jews are similar to
>> >> mine. And I'm sure you know what those observations are.  After all,
>> >> you and the rest of your Gentile Jew-sucking crowd have been denying
>> >> the obvious truths about racist Jews for a long time.  There is
>> >> something oddly pathological about a non-Jew who is even more adamant
>> >> in defending racist Jewry than the racist Jews themselves.
>>
>> >>>  By the way, I am not a failure in any sense of the word.  As a man
>> >>>  and
>> >>> a human being, I've accomplished what it is I was intended to
>> >> accomplish.
>>
>> >> Easy to say, but nothing you've posted would demonstrate any reason to
>> >> believe that.
>>
>> >> Why?  Is it because my view of racist Jewry is diametrically opposed to
>> >> yours?
>> > I don't give a bloody damn about your opinion of me or my opinions of
>> > racist Jewry.
>>
>> >>>  I am proud of myself.
>>
>> >> Of course you are. What does that prove?
>>
>> >> It proves that I'm proud of myself.
>>
>> >>>  And I am proud of those who see racist Jewry and the Gentiles who
>> >>> succor racist Jewry for what they are.
>>
>> >> But you don't care what the racist christians do, do you?
>>
>> >> I'm more concerned right now about what Christians are NOT doing,
>> >> namely, exterminating the racist Jew vermin.
>>
>> >>> If Jews have been targets for as long as they say they have, then
>> >>> there must be something afoot about racist Jews that cuts across
>> >>> different cultures over time to account for their being considered
>> >>> social vermin.
>>
>> >> Yes, two things: christians and all of those jealous of the jews
>> >> success.
>>
>> >> Gee whiz!  Aren't you *stereotyping* your Jew friends?  They are all
>> >> *geniuses*, *successful*, *cultured*, *educated*, blah, blah, blah.
>> >> Your pro-Jew pronoucements are enough to make a cat laugh.
>>
>> >> I need no validity from the likes of you and
>> >>> yours.
>>
>> >> And you will never get any. No reason.
>>
>> >> Surely you don't think I'm in the least concerned.
>>
>> christians seldom are.
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>  Nor do I fear you and your racist Jew and racist Gentile
>> >>>  Jew-supporting thugs. Cheers.
>>
>> >> Sure you don't.
>>
>> >> You can bet on it, flossy.
>>
>> With who, drongo
>>
>>
>>
>> - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I doubt he is a Christian. He hates anything associated with Jews. (we
>share the Old Testamnt with Jews)

The bulk of the Old Testament is ignored by Christians. The Old
Testament is selectively referenced for passages relating to the
future Messiah.


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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT), "Chris C. Larson"
 wrote:

>On Aug 27, 8:52 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> Who did resurrect you Chris. are you not Kenneth McVays cousin.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in messagenews:afb03946-7c48-4311-94d3-79bd4c6c4087@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 26, 6:33 pm, "UncleRemus"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in
>> > messagenews:e6015edb-4639-48a7-a728-477e96898a47@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Aug 26, 3:37 pm, "UncleRemus"  wrote:
>>
>> > > "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in
>> > > messagenews:5fd1535c-819c-45be-9222-979558e956be@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On Aug 26, 12:24 pm, "UncleRemus"  wrote:
>>
>> > > > "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in
>> > > > messagenews:fc82dc75-fd5a-4f00-8843-52aaa2ec632e@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > On Aug 25, 6:12 pm, "UncleRemus"  wrote:
>>
>> > > > > "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in
>> > > > > messagenews:Xns9B059C60F9DB5Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>>
>> > > > > > "UncleRemus"  wrote in
>> > > > > >news:r9Gsk.17950$vX2.4630@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
>>
>> > > > > >> "I'll Always Be Here"  wrote in
>> > > > > >> message
>> > > > > >>news:Xns9B057DB37F98BTheonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>> > > > > >>> "Protagonist"  wrote in
>> > > > > >>>news:ys2dnSdb8MS0Ni_VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>> > > > > >>>> Look it that big blue blob on the US map, all ethnic Germans,
>> > > > > >>>> some
>> > > > > >>>> 53
>> > > > > >>>> millions. the largest..
>> > > > > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-
>> > > > > > b
>> > > > > >>>> y- County.jpg
>>
>> > > > > >>>> Now see the Jewsish 2%!
>> > > > > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jewish1346.gif
>>
>> > > > > >>>> All that Germans, but every where one looks Jews are in control
>> > > > > >>>> of
>> > > > > >>>> America, financialy and politicaly!
>> > > > > >>>> Why is that?
>> > > > > >>>> JS
>>
>> > > > > >>> Thank you for admitting that germans are inept and incompetent.
>>
>> > > > > >>>What you really mean is that Germans are not the vermin Jews are,
>> > > > > >>>yes?
>> > > > > >>>Strange it is how racist Jews and their Gentile supporters always
>> > > > > >>>footnote their criminality with innuendoes of Jew superiority or
>> > > > > >>>their
>> > > > > >>>victims' inferiority.
>> > > > > >> Of course, you did not dare deny or disprove the original
>> > > > > >> assertion
>> > > > > >> of
>> > > > > >> racist Jew control.
>>
>> > > > > > But I did, you are just too inept and incompetent to understand
>> > > > > > irony.
>>
>> > > > > >> The racist Jews may run America, but the Chinese OWN America and
>> > > > > >> the
>> > > > > >> racist Jews to boot!!!!!
>>
>> > > > > > So it's the chinese that control America, but you think that's
>> > > > > > just
>> > > > > > fine.
>> > > > > > Why is that?
>>
>> > > > > > You are just too inept and incompetent to see the truth about
>> > > > > > racist
>> > > > > > Jewry.
>>
>> > > > > And *own* and *control* are two different matters, chump. Besides,
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > Chinese are human beings, racist Jews are vermin.- Hide quoted
>> > > > > text -
>>
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > > So "Uncle Remus" is a puddle of loose fecal matter. What's that got to
>> > > > do with the topic at hand? Even Ben "Rectal Exam" Cramer does better
>> > > > than that.
>>
>> > > > > You obviously don't know the difference between *own* and *control*
>> > > > > either, do you. As far as fecal matter is concerned, I'd keep you
>> > > > > family
>> > > > > and friends out of this altogether. It's bad enough to have vermin
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > have to exterminate.
>>
>> > > > Your *topic at hand* should immediately be put back in your pants,
>> > > > stupid.
>> > > > Mr. Cramer is always SPOT ON when discussing the racist Jews and their
>> > > > Gentile fellow travelers.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > Your hate of Jews is interesting. You and Rectal Exam and 1/2 a dozen
>> > > of the others claim that the "Jews have us firnly by the nuts"!!!
>> > > Funny, no one else thinks so. Get a life, get a job and blame
>> > > yourself for your own failures. "Da Jews" aren't the reason you
>> > > failed. You are.
>>
>> > > > Strange it is that whenever any non-Jew tells the TRUTH about the
>> > > > racist
>> > > > Jews he/she is immediately accused of hatred and, of course,
>> > > > anti-Semitism. Logically, you should be critical of the racist Jews'
>> > > > behaviours towards humans, the very behaviours that are
>> > > > observed/experienced and reported on by the victims of Jew racism.
>>
>> > > Also, whenever a human tells the TRUTH about racist Jewry, he/she is
>> > > labeled
>> > > a *lose*, a *failure*, an *unemployed* person, a person without a
>> > > *life*,
>> > > and a *hater* by both the racist Jews and their Gentile fellow
>> > > travelers.
>> > > Wishful thinking is the handiwork of racist Jews and their Gentile
>> > > footmen.
>> > > If only wishes could come true, you fool.
>>
>> > > The simple reality is this: If racist Jews didn't engage in their wicked
>> > > activities, there would be no reason for anyone to take them to task.
>> > > Don't
>> > > blame the messenger. The racist Jews are a message, and they've been
>> > > sending the same message for a long time in every society in which the
>> > > vermin a found.
>>
>> > > If you think *no one else* feels the way we do, you should take a look
>> > > at
>> > > the video posted in this group of that racist New York Jew boy crying in
>> > > the
>> > > face of black Americans telling him and anyone else willing to listen
>> > > just
>> > > how much Jew racists and Jew racism are hated.
>>
>> > > Remember, hate is a normal human emotion and reaction to hateful
>> > > behaviour.
>> > > The emotion does not generate itself. On the contrary, what you see a
>> > > *hate* is generated by the Jew via his/her racist activities.- Hide
>> > > quoted
>> > > text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > The "TRUTH"??  That's really amusing. My entire life I've lived
>> > among Jews, had Jewish friends and worked with Jews. And YOU get your
>> > information off the internet. "take a look at this video and that Dr.
>> > Pierce speech, blah, blah, blah". You're just like the rest of the
>> > "hate Jews" crowd. You're part of the gullible racist sheep who can't
>> > seem to take blame for their own failures. baaaa.
>>
>> > >I, too, have lived among racist Jews all of my life. My conclusions about
>> > >racist Jewry are very different than yours.
>>
>> > Insofar as Mr. Pierce's speech is concerned, he does not speak for me. I
>> > speak for myself.
>> > I am neither gullible nor sheepish. I am an empiricist whose conclusions
>> > are based on observation. By the way, I am not a failure in any sense of
>> > the word. As a man and a human being, I've accomplished what it is I was
>> > intended to accomplish. I am proud of myself. And I am proud of those who
>> > see racist Jewry and the Gentiles who succor racist Jewry for what they
>> > are.
>> > If Jews have been targets for as long as they say they have, then there
>> > must
>> > be something afoot about racist Jews that cuts across different cultures
>> > over time to account for their being considered social vermin.
>> > I need no validity from the likes of you and yours. Nor do I fear you and
>> > your racist Jew and racist Gentile Jew-supporting thugs.
>> > Cheers.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> "Based on observation"??? You mean like viewing videos on youtube (as
>> you suggested to me as a means of "proof"???)  And you don't
>> fear me and my "racist thugs"??? I didn't even know I was a threat
>> 
>>
>> Well I certainly "don't fear" any weenies, pretenders and fakes such
>> as yourself. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend 'da Jews
>> are coming for you. But if its so bad with 'da Jews, why don't you
>> just fire your car up with the garage door closed and end your
>> miserable, trolling life.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Given my German lineage

Larson is not a German name. You would not qualify for instant German
citizenship in Germany. Genuine ethnic Germans do qualify.

>, I am likely more closely related to you than
>Ken-which is a sad thought.  Our side of the family does not stick our
>penis in our ear or hate Jews, just for the sake of hating Jews
>either. So that leaves us with little in common.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:42:07 +1000, The_Endeavor
 wrote:

>In article , 
>benjisere@yourinvitation.com says...
>> 
>> "The_Endeavor"  wrote in message 
>> news:MPG.23200a1e712e14f2989717@nntp.motzarella.org...
>> > What you call race has no meaning in Judaism.
>> 
>> And just how the fuck would you be in any position to make a determined and 
>> accurate summation of that, you illiterate fuckwit?
>
>Racism is a modern phenomena dating starting from about 1600s. Are you 
>aware that one knights of the round table was black? 

The whole "round table" thing is before the advent of historical
accuracy in Britain, which began in 1066. The Round Table story is
much more legend than it is history. It is EXTREMELY improbable that
there were any Africans in Britain prior to 1066.

>
>Fortunately it did not spread greatly into regions of high 
>concentrations so it never entered into Judaism.
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> If the Jews are a nation, their nationality founded upon the double 
>> >> ground
>> >> of race and religion
>> >> 
>> 
>> 


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:58:40 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 6:12 PM, I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>> news:ht46b4tllu983v8sr95v8alu6rp70v09m5@4ax.com:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:19:56 -0400, Gord McFee 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/24/2008 4:44 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israelis must be dreadfully stupid 
>>>>>> Germans must have been dreadfully stupid to elect a blood-
>>>>>> thirsty beast to rule over them,  to have murdered millions
>>>>>> of innocent people,  and to have started a war which ended
>>>>>> in the complete destruction of Germany.
>>>>> The last time I looked, it was still there and was still the principal
>>>>> European state much as it was in 1900. Every life lost in the totally
>>>>> unnecessary allied-instigated wars labelled as WW1 and WW2 was a
>>>>> wasted life signifying nothing. The Québecois were the most
>>>>> intelligent by not getting involved, but the people of Germany had no
>>>>> choice but to be involved.
>>>> That's all very lovely except that the Québécois were involved.
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> They couldn't be sent overseas unless they volunteered. Other
>>> Canadians were simply conscripted.
>> 
>> Thanking you for proving you lied.
>
>Or is at least totally wrong.

LOL, McFee, you obviously were sleeping during your grade 10 Canadian
history class. What you don't know or understand about either Canadian
or German history could fill whole libraries.



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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:59:24 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/26/2008 5:45 AM, B.H. Cramer wrote:
>
>> "Johannes von Ebersdorf"  wrote in message 
>> news:ht46b4tllu983v8sr95v8alu6rp70v09m5@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:19:56 -0400, Gord McFee
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 8/24/2008 4:44 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,
>>>>> please  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article , 
>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Israelis must be dreadfully stupid
>>>>>> Germans must have been dreadfully stupid to elect a blood- 
>>>>>> thirsty beast to rule over them,  to have murdered millions 
>>>>>> of innocent people,  and to have started a war which ended in
>>>>>> the complete destruction of Germany.
>>>>> The last time I looked, it was still there and was still the
>>>>> principal European state much as it was in 1900. Every life
>>>>> lost in the totally unnecessary allied-instigated wars labelled
>>>>> as WW1 and WW2 was a wasted life signifying nothing. The
>>>>> Québecois were the most intelligent by not getting involved,
>>>>> but the people of Germany had no choice but to be involved.
>>>> That's all very lovely except that the Québécois were involved.
>>> LOL
>>> 
>>> They couldn't be sent overseas unless they volunteered. Other 
>>> Canadians were simply conscripted.
>> 
>> Old gourd won't like that.
>> 
>> He hates being proved wrong.
>
>Old Gord was not proven wrong.  Sorry to disappoint.

You have seldom said anything that is correct. Garbage is the norm for
poor stupid Gord.



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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:58:05 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 4:19 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:19:56 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/24/2008 4:44 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC), a-little-sanity,  please
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Israelis must be dreadfully stupid 
>>>>> Germans must have been dreadfully stupid to elect a blood-
>>>>> thirsty beast to rule over them,  to have murdered millions
>>>>> of innocent people,  and to have started a war which ended
>>>>> in the complete destruction of Germany.
>>>> The last time I looked, it was still there and was still the principal
>>>> European state much as it was in 1900. Every life lost in the totally
>>>> unnecessary allied-instigated wars labelled as WW1 and WW2 was a
>>>> wasted life signifying nothing. The Québecois were the most
>>>> intelligent by not getting involved, but the people of Germany had no
>>>> choice but to be involved.
>>> That's all very lovely except that the Québécois were involved.
>> 
>> LOL
>
>I am glad you are enjoying yourself.
>
>> They couldn't be sent overseas unless they volunteered. Other
>> Canadians were simply conscripted.
>
>Wrong.  Completely wrong.

LOL

Complain to the Ontario Ministry of Education to the effect that all
their history books are wrong. It was King who said "Conscription, but
not necessarily conscription" to describe his policy intended to head
off civil war in Canada. The people of Québec had no interest in
getting shot up in another of Britain's European wars. 



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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 4:35 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:09:44 +1000, "B.H. Cramer" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> "Truth Will Out"  wrote in message 
>>> news:wHqsk.31137$IK1.29490@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:271ba47b-74ee-405b-bee1-43a31643ffce@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>  On Aug 22, 11:26 am, ZULU  wrote:
>>>>> RJ11 wrote:
>>>>>> In article , ZULU 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> RJ11 wrote:
>>>>>>>> The one that lists no less than 900 stokers working in 
>>>>>>>> the Kremas. Why does one camp require such a number of 
>>>>>>>> stokers?
>>>>>>>>> We can imagine that some SS guards and officers were in
>>>>>>>>> charge of those people It was also an hospital with SS
>>>>>>>>> medics near the Kremas as well as Zentral Sauna where
>>>>>>>>> many SS were in charge of the control.
>>>>>>>> And you're asserting -- without a shred of evidence --
>>>>>>>> that the SS used the Krema cellars as "air-aid shelters"
>>>>>>>> for them. No testimony, no document, no logical thought
>>>>>>>> process to support this insanity. But you don't care, do
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> LOL. NO document showed by Pressac, a slight nuance...
>>>>>> No document, period.
>>>>>>> Why don't we have any document concerning the proved
>>>>>>> material transformation of the morgue of Krema I in an air
>>>>>>> shelter?
>>>>>> http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0156.htm 
>>>>>> http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0157.htm
>>>>>>> How can you assume that nothing could be find among 80,000 
>>>>>>> documents of construction available?
>>>>>> So your "proof" is that the document *may* exist?
>>>>>>>> And it gets even better -- just yesterday, you said that 
>>>>>>>> the entrance to the cellar was "too small" for it to
>>>>>>>> serve as a gas chamber. But now you're saying it was
>>>>>>>> large enough for people who have to enter an air-raid
>>>>>>>> shelter in the maximum possible speed.
>>>>>>> The SS weren't 2000 on that zone, moron.
>>>>>> You're saying there were so many SS around that they required
>>>>>>  two huge "air-raid shelters", and then you're saying that
>>>>>> the doors of the "air-raid shelters" were too small for
>>>>>> people to enter in a hurry. It's quite amusing to see you
>>>>>> somersault back and forth, little one. RJ.
>>>>> It is amusing to observe your desperate tentative to make that
>>>>> little door more practical to "gas 2000 people" than to serve
>>>>> as entrance to a second stage of SS protection.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Remember that the main entrance to underground was a fair large
>>>>> stairway to the morgue 2 that you insist in calling "undressing
>>>>> room". The entry to the second room would be without rush. And
>>>>> the moron Zulu would have us believe this large stairway to a 
>>>>> "morgue" would be needed to carry the corpses to the morgue? 
>>>>> Makes sensel, right?
>>>> 
>>>> Another dyslexic Holohuxter raises his head.
>>>> 
>>>> What is it with you people and your lack of education and
>>>> ability? Is whining, lying and hurling invective all you've got?
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt I'll bother with you from here on in, Mathews. You're too
>>>> stupid to bother with.
>>>> 
>>>> TTFN.
>>> I see you've met Philthy Mathews. Gobshite extraordinaire, him.
>>> 
>>> Most of us have the little wanker killfiled.
>> 
>> I figure that I will follow suit and dump Phil in the garbage bin.
>
>Gads, he must be kicking your collective asses for you to flee so quickly.

You make no sense, Gord. I'm tuning the radio to bring in the station
with better clarity by eliminating the hisses, crackles, and whistles.
It is called improving the signal to noise ratio.



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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:01:21 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 4:22 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:02:49 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 6:51 pm, "I'll Always Be Here"
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote innews:kik3b4t7dc5otrqi7v60l34uc2lptfnas2@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:29:17 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:sqKrk.34951$1p1.23589@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>> Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:30:00 +0200, ZULU  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ZULU  wrote innews:g8d16r$1fk$1@aioe.org:
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My solution has two parts:
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream American has the sense to know the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>> when he hears it and they present evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>> The last attack against Iraq with false "proofs" of WMD and Al
>>>>>>>>>>> Qaeda connection is a good example of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mostly all Foxed American people supported that bullshitted war
>>>>>>>>>>> while more than 70% of European people were against it.
>>>>>>>>>>> They'd better to hear the wise advice of German and French.
>>>>>>>>>> The French. The only war the French ever won was the Revolution,
>>>>>>>>>> and only because they were fighting the French.
>>>>>>>>> Lafayette or Austerlitz are not in your archives?
>>>>>>>> It is refreshing to note that poor Joe is as full of shit on all
>>>>>>>> areas of history as he is on the 20th century.
>>>>>>>> France was the dominant European power for longer than the USA has
>>>>>>>> existed, and it managed to build up a world-spanning colonial empire
>>>>>>>> for itself. They are much better soldiers than the Americans ever
>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>> Ah, the old "your soldiers suck" troll.  Haven't seen that for a
>>>>>>> while.
>>>>>> Hardly a troll if it's based on truth.
>>>>>> Point out a single war the Yanks have won on their own.
>>>>>> You can't.
>>>>> Yanks like to profit from the sacrifices and blood of others. That has
>>>>> generally been their way. Most of the time, Americans like to attack
>>>>> countries with populations less than 5% of the American population.
>>>>> Much more than that, and they need to assemble a big coalition to
>>>>> transfer the casualties to others.
>>>> Much like the germans in WW2. Big brave when fighting Belgium, Holland and
>>>> Norway or threatening Sweden. But strangely enough scared of Switzerland.
>>>>
>>> When fighting Poland + Britain + France + the US + Canada + USSR...
>>> Scared of Switz?  Respectful of Switz.
>> 
>> Indeed, Switzerland was hardly an issue when you're already fighting
>> 53 countries simultaneously.
>
>That is why it is a very good idea not to start a war.

WW2 was manufactured in London, Paris, and Washington. WW2 was not
conducted on Hitler's timetable. He was in the difficult position of
merely being able to react to the initiatives of others.



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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:05:12 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 4:44 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:45:09 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 10:06 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>> Interesting McFee can one see the aging of your book to analyze its age.
>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>
>>>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:phlsk.50253$6p1.32754@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>>>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who did
>>>>>>>>> declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>>>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>>>>>>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the ruler of
>>>>>>>> Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German goods.
>>>>>>> Are you sure this is true.
>>>>>> I doubt that it is true.
>>>>> You are wrong.
>>>>>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>>>> So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>>>>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>>>> Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>>>>> fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>>>>> gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>>>>> allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>>>>> Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.
>>>>> "Mein Kampf", Vol II, page 772
>>>>>> If RJ11 cannot supply a page number, then perhaps he can give a general
>>>>>> chapter location of his claim. I doubt very much that his claim is true.
>>>>>> It is really a rather dry book that is better than a sleeping pill, but I
>>>>>> have yet to find any of the fantastic claims
>>>>>> that holocaustorians make for it.
>>>>> I suggest you refine your research techniques.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gord McFee
>>>>> I'll write no line before its time
>>>>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>>>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org
>>>>
>>> Look at Sara Salman's signature.  She uses a quote from Penn Jillette
>>> who is a self acknowledged poker cheat(he wrote a book on the
>>> subject).  She tries to stifle dissent by quoting some famous person
>>> in the hopes that we will listen to him; he's an expert you see
>>> because he's a celebrity.  Both Salzman and Penn say:  'Don't even
>>> question the holocaust'.  A celebrity has said so!
>> 
>> McFee's quotation from Mein Kampf is a non-sequitur that has no
>> connection at all with the alleged holocaust™. It is the type of
>> misrepresentation that I have come to expect from the holocaust™
>> industry.
>
>Run away little man.

Nobody is running away, idiot-boy.



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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:07:40 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 4:42 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:06:56 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting McFee can one see the aging of your book to analyze its
>>>  age.
>> 
>> It seems that McFee's understanding of a German text is pretty 
>> primitive.
>
>It's a lot better than yours.

LOL, Gord, your bluster and bullshit won't get you out of this one.

>
>> The passage is totally unconnected with concentration camps or with 
>> alleged genocidal intentions. Hitler is merely recollecting his own 
>> experiences with poison gas, which is one of the reasons that he 
>> never permitted it to be used.
>
>That is not what the quotation says.  Thank you for proving your ignorance.

I know exactly what the quotation says, being ethnically German and
knowing the German language extremely well. The passage simply does
not address what you apparently think it does.

>
>I notice your shift from Gord to McFee.  You rabble usually start that
>when I am kicking your ass.  Join the long line of losers.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:04:13 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 10:06 AM, Kurt Knoll wrote:
>
>> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
>> news:phlsk.50253$6p1.32754@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews
>>>>>>> who did declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed
>>>>>> his will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became
>>>>>> the ruler of Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott
>>>>>> German goods.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you sure this is true.
>>>> I doubt that it is true.
>>> You are wrong.
>>> 
>>>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>> So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>> 
>>>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>>> 
>>> Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf-
>>> oder fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter
>>> Giftgas gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen
>>> Arbeiter aus allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden
>>> mußten, dann wäre das Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich
>>> gewesen.
>>> 
>>> "Mein Kampf", Vol II, page 772

There isn't more than one volume, but the quotation actually is on
page 772 of 781 pages, and is taken out of context in a passage about
Bolsheviks. The passage in no way predicts the holocaust™ as Gord
would have people believe.

>>> 
>>>> If RJ11 cannot supply a page number, then perhaps he can give a
>>>> general chapter location of his claim. I doubt very much that his
>>>> claim is true. It is really a rather dry book that is better than
>>>> a sleeping pill, but I have yet to find any of the fantastic
>>>> claims that holocaustorians make for it.
>>> I suggest you refine your research techniques.
>> 
>> Interesting McFee can one see the aging of your book to analyze its
>> age. Kurt Knoll.
>
>Get someone to translate it for you.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:09:51 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 6:18 PM, I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> Johannes von Ebersdorf  wrote in 
>> news:ju56b45c8v6sjr598hfe938g3bmkpcf2rd@4ax.com:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:29:18 -0400, Gord McFee 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who 
>>>>>>>> did declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>>>>>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the 
>>>>>>> ruler of Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German 
>>>>>>> goods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure this is true.
>>>>> I doubt that it is true.
>>>> You are wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>>> So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>>>
>>>>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>>> Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>>>> fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>>>> gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>>>> allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>>>> Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.
>>> You are a moron, McFee. Hitler is describing his own experiences and
>>> those of his fellow soldiers in an allied poison gas attack. The
>>> passage is light-years away from suggesting an extermination policy
>>> against Jews. This type of distortion seems to be typical of the
>>> holocaust™ industry.
>> 
>> Interesting how first you can't find this, then you don't admit that it 
>> was there but do admit that it doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Well RJ11, I read the book as a book, as opposed to some supernatural
prophesy pointing to the holocaust. You, by contrast, read the book
with a view to imposing your own notions on it rather than listening
to the author, much the same way as brain-dead American fundies
interpret scripture. The fundy's interpretation most likely has no
relationship at all with the intent of the author.

I did not see the passage as particularly significant other than
showing that Hitler apparently believed that a small clique of
manipulators was responsible for the German war losses.

>
>I think it is called either:
>
>Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes!!
>
>or
>
>Oooooooooooooops!!
>
>These Nazi trashboys never change.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:08:39 -0400, Gord McFee 
wrote:

>On 8/25/2008 4:39 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:29:18 -0400, Gord McFee 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/24/2008 5:58 PM, Johannes von Ebersdorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:27 GMT, "Kurt Knoll"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:g8m37l$loo$1@pcls6.std.com...
>>>>>> In article , Kurt Knoll
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is it you are trying to proof here. It was the Jews who 
>>>>>>> did declare a finical war against Germany.
>>>>>> Already in 1925,  Adolf Hitler,  in "Mein Kampf",  expressed his
>>>>>> will to murder Jews with poison gas.  So,  when he became the 
>>>>>> ruler of Germany in 1933,  some Jews called to boycott German 
>>>>>> goods.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure this is true.
>>>> I doubt that it is true.
>>> You are wrong.
>>>
>>>> I own an original German printing of the book.
>>> So do I.  However, I have read my copy.
>>>
>>>> What I would like to know is where to find this item in the book.
>>> Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder
>>> fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas
>>> gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus
>>> allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das
>>> Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen.
>> 
>> You are a moron, McFee. Hitler is describing his own experiences and
>> those of his fellow soldiers in an allied poison gas attack. The
>> passage is light-years away from suggesting an extermination policy
>> against Jews. This type of distortion seems to be typical of the
>> holocaust™ industry.
>
>Get someone to translate it for you, dipstick.
 
I don't need some English-speaking fart like you to interpret German
texts for me, arsehole.

When one reads the whole page of which this passage was a part, it
comes clear that European Jews as a group were not the topic.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:03:50 -0700, William Daffer
 wrote:

>"halle"  writes:
>
>> William Daffer (whdaffer@wabcmail.com) wrote:
>>> sorry to play through, but this is just too rich to resist.
>>>
>>>
>>> "halle"  writes:
>>>
>>>> Philip Mathews (philipmathews@comcast.net) wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 26, 11:41 am, "halle"  wrote:
>>>>>> Philip Mathews (philipmath...@comcast.net) wrote:
>>>>>>> German transport records indicate more than 1.3 million people
>>>>>>> were transported to Auschwitz during the Holocaust. They also
>>>>>>> indicate those shipped out of Auschwitz to other locations.
>>>>>>> Factoring in those remaining at liberation, and the number of
>>>>>>> escapees, more than 1.1 million people were transported to
>>>>>>> Auschwitz than left. What happened to those 1.1 million people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider in your response the following additional information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Even before the end of the war news about the gassing of Jews
>>>>>>> was received by the Polish underground from members in the camp.
>>>>>>> Additionally, prisoners, both Jewish and non Jewish, escaped and
>>>>>>> supplied written reports of the gassings. All of these reached the
>>>>>>> west.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Source?
>>>>>
>>>>> Numerous well known and much discussed reports.
>>>>
>>>> Your lack of sources is noted.
>>>
>>>  On the contrary. What's 'noted' is your complete ignorance of the
>>>  the state of historical knowledge. If you actually knew the history
>>>  you claim to be debunking you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself
>>>  by suggesting that there wasn't a rich literature in this subject.
>>>
>>>  But that is ever the way with deniers, to throw themselves into the
>>>  fray only to discover how ignorant they are of the subject.
>>
>> Your lack of sources is noted.
>
>  Sorry, I'm not required to relieve you of your ignorance, nor even
>  prove it to you. The onus of the debate falls to you, the skeptic.

You are making the claim that a certain historical event happened in a
certain way. The onus is on you to prove it, since one cannot prove a
negative.  Tired old fabricated "documents" and forced "confessions"
>from an allied propaganda trial don't exactly count as "proof".


>
>  So far, you're doing miserably.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Read some history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Numerous Nazis from the camp admitted that the Jews were gassed
>>>>>>> in gas chambers. Among these were the camp commandant and one of
>>>>>>> the camp doctors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rudolf H??ö??ß testified that during his time 2.5 million people were
>>>>>> gassed to death and another 500,000 died by other means.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, he said that Eichmann has given him those numbers. His
>>>>> estimate was about 1.13 million.
>>>>
>>>> It is irrelevant whose numbers he cited; he stated that 2.5 million
>>>> people were gassed and cremated under his command.
>>>
>>>  If it's irrelevant whose numbers he cited then it's irrelevant that
>>>  he cited them. On the other hand, if those numbers are relevant,
>>>  their provenance is relevant.
>>>
>>>  Your choice, but you can't have it both ways.
>>
>> It was your choice to ignore them. Not mine. These numbers were held to be 
>> accurate at the kangaroo trials.
>
>  No statements were made about their accuracy except to remark that
>  Hoess said that Eichmann told him those numbers. IF you're too
>  stupid to figure out that Hoess could have mistaken Eichmann, or
>  that Eichmann could have misunderstood Hoess' question, that's not
>  my or anyone else's fault: it's yours alone.
>
>  Again, it's a matter of your self enforced, ignorance. You simply
>  don't want to understand what is, in fact, a rather simple
>  distinction. You don't want to understand it because it
>  upsets you, and makes you think too hard.
>
>
>>
>>>>> .This testimony was extracted
>>>>>> through torture.
>>>>>> There is no solid evidence whatsoever that any of this happened.
>>>>>> None.
>>>>>
>>>>> A deliberate misrepresentation. Hoess was beaten when captured. That
>>>>> has nothing to do with the many testimonies he gave or the memoir he
>>>>> wrote.
>>>>
>>>> "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and half million
>>>> Jews. I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews.
>>>> There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained,
>>>> whether it is true or not." - Rudolf H??ö??ß
>>>
>>>  As reported by footnote at
>>>  http://www.rense.com/general81/chamber.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>      H?öss spoke these words to Moritz von Schirmeister in a car on
>>>      his way to Nurnberg on 1st April, 1946:
>>>      www.rense.com/general68/H?öss.htm. Faurisson states that Bernard
>>>      Clarke, H?öss's chief torturer, was Jewish, but this is not in
>>>      Butler's book. Irving (ref 47), p.241.
>>>
>>>  So, you report the words supposedly spoken to someone in a car on
>>>  his way to Nurenberg as *fact*. Who is this 'Moritz von
>>>  Schirmeister' and when can we talk with him? Was he a Nazi? Did
>>>  anyone hear this converation, or do was only have 'rense.com' to
>>>  confirm it's truth or falsity?
>>>
>>>  See? The question of provenance is important, isn't it?
>>
>> It is an accurate historical fact that H?ö?ß stated
>> this. 
>   
>  And were are *your* sources, that this quote is 'accurate' and a
>  'historical fact', hmmmm?
>
>
>> Furthermore, his torturers have confessed to beating the
>> confession out of him.
>  
>  Really?  Who says so? Where are *your* sources?
>
>
>  But its nice to see that you agree that provenace and context are
>  important, despite arguing just one post ago that what Hoess
>  understood from Eichmann was 'irrelevant'.
>
>
>
>>
>>>>> All of the evidence in this list, and much more is very solid, which
>>>>> is why you have no intelligent comment about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Engineers from the firm which supplied the cremation ovens and
>>>>>>> the ventilation systems for the gas chambers testified to gassings
>>>>>>> at Auschwitz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, torture.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lie.
>>>>
>>>> The allies had the confessants' balls in vices.
>>>
>>>  Not at Nuremberg,
>>
>> No? There, exactly there. These people were tortured. Their "confessions" 
>> are as reliable as anything coming out of Guantanamo Bay.
>
>  No, Not at Nuremberg, where Hoess said he was treated quite well.
>
>  And besides this questionable and, as yet, unsubstantiated hearsay
>  evidence of a comment in a car ride, what other evidence that Hoess
>  was tortured do you have?
>
>  Hmmmm? Where are *your* sources?
>
>  You're the skeptic here, it's your burden.
>
>
>whd


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:56:32 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"
 wrote:

>
>"William Daffer"  wrote in message 
>news:0cWdnRhrnuiaxCrVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> "halle"  writes:
>>
>>> William Daffer (whdaffer@wabcmail.com) wrote:
>>>> sorry to play through, but this is just too rich to resist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "halle"  writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Philip Mathews (philipmathews@comcast.net) wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 26, 11:41 am, "halle"  wrote:
>>>>>>> Philip Mathews (philipmath...@comcast.net) wrote:
>>>>>>>> German transport records indicate more than 1.3 million people
>>>>>>>> were transported to Auschwitz during the Holocaust. They also
>>>>>>>> indicate those shipped out of Auschwitz to other locations.
>>>>>>>> Factoring in those remaining at liberation, and the number of
>>>>>>>> escapees, more than 1.1 million people were transported to
>>>>>>>> Auschwitz than left. What happened to those 1.1 million people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider in your response the following additional information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Even before the end of the war news about the gassing of Jews
>>>>>>>> was received by the Polish underground from members in the camp.
>>>>>>>> Additionally, prisoners, both Jewish and non Jewish, escaped and
>>>>>>>> supplied written reports of the gassings. All of these reached the
>>>>>>>> west.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Source?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Numerous well known and much discussed reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your lack of sources is noted.
>>>>
>>>>  On the contrary. What's 'noted' is your complete ignorance of the
>>>>  the state of historical knowledge. If you actually knew the history
>>>>  you claim to be debunking you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself
>>>>  by suggesting that there wasn't a rich literature in this subject.
>>>>
>>>>  But that is ever the way with deniers, to throw themselves into the
>>>>  fray only to discover how ignorant they are of the subject.
>>>
>>> Your lack of sources is noted.
>>
>>  Sorry, I'm not required to relieve you of your ignorance, nor even
>>  prove it to you. The onus of the debate falls to you, the skeptic.
>>
>>  So far, you're doing miserably.
>
>QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
>
>Still the same screeching from you duck.

Billy comes across as totally illogical. I'm not required to "prove"
anything. All I'm saying is that I don't find his stories convincing,
so I reject his conclusions. If this irritates Billy, then tough. I am
under no obligation to be convinced by his absurd stories.

>


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:22:26 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

>
>On 28-Aug-2008, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>>  The_Endeavor  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Racism is a modern phenomena dating starting from about 1600s. Are you
>> > aware that one knights of the round table was black?
>>
>> Are you aware that the "knights of the round table" were ... MYTHS?
>> >
>
>Let's all agree for the sake of discussion that they were
>completely mythical, with no basis in reality.
>All that means is that, hundreds of years ago, there was
>obviously no race prejudice, as white writers put a black
>figure on an equal footing with white ones.
>
>Susan

I doubt that Susan, since it is very improbable that anybody in
Britain, pre-1066, would ever have even seen a black person.

My mother's first black person, other than in books, was a black
American soldier at a beach in Stuttgart in 1947, but she didn't get a
good look since several thousand other people had gathered to take a
look at this novelty.


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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:35:47 -0700 (PDT), NefeshYehudi
 wrote:

>On Aug 28, 10:22 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>> On 28-Aug-2008, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> >  The_Endeavor  wrote:
>>
>> > > Racism is a modern phenomena dating starting from about 1600s. Are you
>> > > aware that one knights of the round table was black?
>>
>> > Are you aware that the "knights of the round table" were ... MYTHS?
>>
>> Let's all agree for the sake of discussion that they were
>> completely mythical, with no basis in reality.
>> All that means is that, hundreds of years ago, there was
>> obviously no race prejudice, as white writers put a black
>> figure on an equal footing with white ones.
>>
>> Susan
>
>You like blacks because most of them have big dicks you goy.

You sound like you have checked out all these dicks, Yehudi. Do you
have an obsession with black dick, Yehudi?


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:15:50 +1000, The_Endeavor
 wrote:

>In article , 
>benjisere@yourinvitation.com says...
>> 
>>  wrote in message news:6QKtk.1010$5C.718@trnddc02...
>> > 
>> > On 28-Aug-2008, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > 
>> >> In article ,
>> >>  The_Endeavor  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Racism is a modern phenomena dating starting from about 1600s. Are you
>> >> > aware that one knights of the round table was black?
>> >>
>> >> Are you aware that the "knights of the round table" were ... MYTHS?
>> >> >
>> > 
>> > Let's all agree for the sake of discussion that they were
>> > completely mythical, with no basis in reality.
>> > All that means is that, hundreds of years ago, there was
>> > obviously no race prejudice, as white writers put a black
>> > figure on an equal footing with white ones.
>> 
>> Mayhap political correctness reigned in those days, cohen? 
>
>Which is my point that racism is a relatively new phenomena!

Racism is pretty much impossible in a homogeneous society. In the
Europe of the middle ages, there simply were no blacks or other
non-Europeans to dislike.

Americans are far more hostile towards black people than most
Europeans because they have exposure, and I guess that white
southerers especially find black people threatening.

> It is my 
>wish in this forum that we do our little bit to stop it.
>
>> 
>> Guess you're incapable of identifying alternative theories, huh?
>
>Since your theory on racism agrees with both mine and Susan's why should 
>she disagree.
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> 
>> 


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:53:08 -0700 (PDT), Derk Nerkel
 wrote:

>On Aug 29, 3:18 am, "B.H. Cramer" 
>wrote:
>> "The_Endeavor"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:MPG.23225a60ae237781989746@nntp.motzarella.org...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <6QKtk.1010$5C.718@trnddc02>, flav...@verizon.net says...
>>
>> >> On 28-Aug-2008, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>
>> >> > In article ,
>> >> >  The_Endeavor  wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Racism is a modern phenomena dating starting from about 1600s. Are
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > aware that one knights of the round table was black?
>>
>> >> > Are you aware that the "knights of the round table" were ... MYTHS?
>>
>> >> Let's all agree for the sake of discussion that they were
>> >> completely mythical, with no basis in reality.
>> >> All that means is that, hundreds of years ago, there was
>> >> obviously no race prejudice, as white writers put a black
>> >> figure on an equal footing with white ones.
>>
>> >> Susan
>>
>> > Hear, hear.
>>
>> There were yids around hundreds of years ago, fuckwit. Wherever there are
>> yids, there is racism. Indisputable fact.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Some people think that Ham in the Torah was white and then he butt
>fucked Noach and turned into a Negro.

LOL

Isn't superstition grand?


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:32:26 GMT, "Truth Will Out"
 wrote:

>
>"dsharavi"  wrote in message 
>news:6fd0276f-2a22-40bb-bbb7-3fb06c91b240@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 26, 7:51 pm, "V"  wrote:
>> ARE THE JEWS A NATION?
>
>>Yes.
>
>No. And haven't been for centuries.
>
>
The USA is not a "nation" (it is a country/state) because there is no
such critter as an ethnic American. Americans appear in all shapes,
sizes, and colours. "American" is a legal status and a geographical
concept, but there is no American "people" in the sense that there is
a Japanese people, for example.

Like Americans, Jews are not a nation either. They have even less
binding them together than do Americans. There is no common language,
there is no common ethnicity, there is no common geography and there
is no common culture. Jews are a religious community. Some subgroups
within Judaism may count as tribes or nations, but not Jews in
general.



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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:57:59 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>
>> ZULU  wrote in news:g94m9j$sb6$1@aioe.org:
>> 
>> 
>>>I'll Always Be Here wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ZULU  wrote in news:g946tc$pv6$1@aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Philip Mathews wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Aug 26, 10:37 am, ZULU  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RJ11 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article , ZULU   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>RJ11 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article , ZULU  
>>>>>>>>>>wrote: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why don't we have any document concerning the proved material
>>>>>>>>>>>transformation of the morgue of Krema I in an air shelter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0156.htm
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0157.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No comment,  lulu?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you observed that the doors installed are not larger then 1
>>>>>>>meter like the "gas tight door" required at Krema II?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have a point?
>>>>>
>>>>>The width of the doors installed at this air shelter are of the same
>>>>>width than the door installed at Krema II. My point is that such width
>>>>>is not incompatible to the function, period.
>>>>
>>>>But is the width of that door consistent with other air raid shelters?
>>>
>>>Which "other" air raid shelters?
>>>
>>>Give some example.
>>  
>> Berlin, Hamburg, Dresden...didn't they all have air raid shelters?
>> Wouldn't they have had gas-tight doors on them? 
>
>And? Which kind of doors equipped them?
>Do you have an idea of the model used and dimensions according with the number of person 
>which were protected??
>
>>>See standard door to equip air shelter at that time.
>>>http://www.codoh.com/incon/birkimages/brkfig03.jpeg
>> 
>> I don't speak german but that really looks like a door to a safe. I
>> especially love the idea that an air raid shelter door has handles on the
>> outside to "lock" it. Seems truly practical. It's also rather narrow. 
>
>"Luftschutzraum tueren und blenden" means

"Luftschutzraum Türen und Blenden" means Air-raid shelter doors and
shields.

>
>Air shelter doors and "little windows" (I don't know the exact term in English)
>
>They are gas tight, normally the locking system must be enough strong
>to allow the compression of the sealing material as the door is closed.
>It is obvious that such door must be locked from inside.
>
>How can you assume the handles are outside?
>
>
>Try to make your little brain think from time to time.
>
>
>>>>>NOw, if for the holoks, that little 1 meter width is compatible to the
>>>>>entrance of 2000 people in a supposed "shower room" with 14 shower
>>>>>heads only. That's up to them.... 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, why that kind of door couldn't have been suited to an air shelter
>>>>>>>at Krema II? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Irrelevant question.
>>>>>
>>>>>For you, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Much more than as an access to 2000 people into a room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was a perfectly fine access as the evidence shows. Oh, I forgot,
>>>>>>your ignorant denial doesn't do evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which evidence shows that the little door was well adapted to the
>>>>>entrance of 2000 people in that room with 14 only shower heads?
>>>>>
>>>>>Which document shows where, how and by whom the 14 showers heads were
>>>>>installed? 
>>>>>
>>>>>According with the tales of sonderkommandos?
>>>>>
>>>>>I already proved that those sonderkommandos were ALL LIARS by insisting
>>>>>in the alleged SECRECY of those "gassing operations".
>>>>>
>>>>> THe location of the so called "killing factories" and the proximity
>>>>> of 2 main roads to 
>>>>>go to Zentral Sauna denies that  allegation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thousands of inmates were going to Zentral Sauna and returning to
>>>>> main camp dairy by 
>>>>>those roads which passed very close the "killing factories" with only
>>>>>barbed wire fences as separation. Thus all those inmates would have
>>>>>been able to observe frequently the presence of "queues of 2000 people
>>>>>at the doors of gas chambers" if they had existed... 
>>>>>
>>>>>We don't have ANY testimony of such observation. And the
>>>>>sonderkommandos KNEW the roads to Zentral Sauna if they actually worked
>>>>>at the Kremas. So, they must have observed the constant passage of
>>>>>thousands of inmates going to and returning from Zentral Sauna dairy. 
>>>>>
>>>>>They NEVER mentioned such observation!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Then, the fact that "sonderkommandos" NEVER reported the panic of 1000
>>>>>into the "gas chambers" and the consequent reaction of the 1000 outside
>>>>>reinforces my assertion: 
>>>>>
>>>>>ALL ALLEGED "SONDERKOMMANDOS" ARE LIARS.
>>>>>
>>>>>What tells the DOGMA:
>>>>>
>>>>>--> 14 showers heads for a 30 m x 7 m room (!!!) and a 1 meter width
>>>>>"gas tight door" (!!!) are the main "material proofs" to make a "gas
>>>>>chamber" where 2000 (even 3000 according with other liar) had to be
>>>>>supposedly "gassed" at a time !!! 
>>>>>
>>>>>The gas tight door mentioned on the document is of 1 m x 1,90 m. That
>>>>>means a passage of less than 1 meter width to enter the room.
>>>>>
>>>>>LESS THAN ONE METER TO MAKE ENTER 2000 PEOPLE IN A ROOM!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Let Imagine the modus operandi of those standard "massive gassings" at
>>>>>Krema II: 
>>>>>
>>>>>2000 people in a "shower room" with only 14 shower heads is not suspect
>>>>>to holoks. 
>>>>>
>>>>>When the first 1000 people enter in panic by observing that the room
>>>>>with only "14 showers heads" ** is OBVIOUSLY NOT what they were
>>>>>supposedly told, so they will rush screaming to the little door to
>>>>>escape. 
>>>>>
>>>>>[**]It means a concentration of about 5 persons per square meter to
>>>>>take a shower with a shower head per 72 people!!! Try to imagine that
>>>>>PHYSICALLY. 
>>>>>
>>>>>At the door, in a little vestibule between the "undressing room " and
>>>>>the "gas chamber", they are 1000 people waiting "to take a shower".
>>>>>
>>>>>They will enter in panic at the same time the 1000 people into the
>>>>>room. 
>>>>>
>>>>>How the few SS could do to make all that uncontrollable crowd (1000
>>>>>outside, 1000 inside) in panic enter the "gas chamber" trough a little
>>>>>less than 1 meter large passage????? 
>>>>>
>>>>>By shooting all of them? LOL
>>>>>Any shooting threat by SS (where were posted those SS in such little
>>>>>vestibule?) could have only made the things worst.
>>>>>At least hundreds would die crashed against the walls.
>>>>>
>>>>>Isn't it amazing that such crowd's moves at such little door were NEVER
>>>>>commented by the supposed "sonderkommandos"?
>>>>>
>>>>>More a ridiculous situation IMPOSSIBLE to have been occurred.
>>>>>
>>>>>--> See how did "climbing ladders" SS manage to arrange the so called
>>>>>"gas chambers" at K IV and V.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing better than a picture:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://bp0.blogger.com/
>>>>
>>>>_AB36D4g8j4Q/R8GQ9jSjanI/AAAAAAAAAUw/kfxpQqqeotU/s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>1600-h/IMG_3028.JPG 
>>>>>http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Page%20Scans/Page399.htm 
>>>>>
>>>>>How many "gas tight doors" (with peepholes!!) were installed there???
>>>>>
>>>>>At least 3, not to mention 2 really unnecessary doors on the separation
>>>>>walls (???). 
>>>>>
>>>>>WHY DID THEY MAKE 3 GAS CHAMBERS WHERE ONE ONLY WAS NEEDED?
>>>>>
>>>>>And why at a WRONG LOCATION?
>>>>>
>>>>>NOBODY KNOWS !!! THE DOGMA DOESN'T TELL ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
>>>>>
>>>>>Observe how were located the "multiple gas chambers" [A] far from the
>>>>>ovens [E] whilst the "undressing room" [D] was nearer them. Note how
>>>>>many (LESS THAN 1 METER WIDTH) doors those supposed 2400 victims (sic
>>>>>Pressac) had to pass to go to their fate. Note how many doors had to
>>>>>pass through the "sonderkommandos" in charge to transport the victims
>>>>
>>>>>from the "gas chamber" to the ovens. 
>>>>
>>>>>Not to mention that the 2 larger chambers had even 1 "EXPENSIVE" door
>>>>>giving ACCESS OUTSIDE (WHY FOR?).
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL LOL LOL...
>>>>>
>>>>>"Although the operating sequence looks simple enough, it had become
>>>>>irrational and ridiculous. It was irrational to have the victims going
>>>>
>>>>>from the central room to the gas chambers then being brought back, thus
>>>>
>>>>>destroying the linear logic of the initial design. It was ridiculous to
>>>>>have an SS man in a gasmask balancing on his short ladder with a 1 kg 
>>>>>can of Zyklon-B in his left hand while he opened and then closed the 30
>>>>>by 40 cm shutter through which he introduced the pellets with his right
>>>>>hand. This performance was to be repeated six times. If he was not
>>>>>capable of such a balancing act, the SS had to climb his little ladder
>>>>>three times for each opening: first to open the shutter (up and down), 
>>>>>second to introduce the Zyklon-B (up and down) and third to close the
>>>>>shutter (up and down). Six openings, eighteen times up and down the
>>>>>ladder wearing a gasmask. A simulation shows that this exercise would
>>>>>take 10 minutes. A few steps installed beneath each opening would have
>>>>>avoided all this performance. " 
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0386.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>The floor area of the block of three gas chambers was 240 m² (4800m³).
>>>>>2,400 people could therefore be squeezed in at a density of 10 per
>>>>>square meter. To gas them, 6 kg of Zyklon-B would be required (at the
>>>>>rate put forward by Camp Commandant Hoess of 6 kg for 500 m³ [ 1500
>>>>>people in Kr. II/III] ). The SS pouring in the Zyklon-B would have to 
>>>>>introduce one 1 kg can in each of the six openings in the outside wall,
>>>>>located about 2 meters from the ground.
>>>>>It would take four or five days to cremate these 2,400 bodies.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0384.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>What it does imply to desperately make "gas chambers" with mere
>>>>>morgues!!!! 
>>>>>
>>>>>How many people know actually that kind of "technical details" about
>>>>>the HOAX? 
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL LOL LOL...
>>>
>> 


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:28:49 -0700 (PDT), Bent Attorney
 wrote:

>On Aug 29, 9:30 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>> On Aug 29, 5:19 pm, Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 11:14 pm, Philip Mathews  wrote:
>>
>> > > On Aug 26, 2:05 pm, Bent Attorney  wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Aug 26, 11:53 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:34:42 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" 
>> > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > >There ja go Philip I knew a guy who was in Iks camp who shall I believe.
>>
>> > > > > That proves to me that Phil is an airhead, and I'm glad that I have
>> > > > > put him in a usenet filter.
>>
>> > > > > We had relatives in some of those camps. The death rates were very
>> > > > > high, and local townspeople were threatened with execution if they
>> > > > > brought any food or water to the prisoners.
>>
>> > > > I know.  I knew one relative and a friend's father who were in the US
>> > > > POW camps.  
>>
>> > > So you claim,
>>
>> > > What you claim is not evidence, especially coming from something like
>> > > you.
>>
>> > What does that mean:  'especially coming from something like you'.??
>>
>> It means you're a lying, Jew hating pig.
>>
>> > I'm not a something, I'm a someone with opinions based on fact and
>> > truth.
>>
>> You're a liar, who doesn't know truth, and certainly hasn't the
>> vaguest idea of the actual evidence, so you engage in nothing more
>> than offering your ignorant opinion and prejudices and pretend you're
>> discussing history.
>>
>> Now run along.
>>
>
>I'm not running anywhere.  I do know the truth.  I've got a much
>better idea than you of what the truth is.  Why is the US torturing
>people in Gitmo; Iraq?  Answer up asshole. The first casualties that
>the Canadians took in Afghanistan was from bombs delivered by your
>kill crazy pilots.

The only French and British casualties in the first Gulf war were
caused by American incompetence.

>
>> --
>> Philip Mathews


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rOn Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:02:52 -0700, William Daffer
 wrote:

>Johannes von Ebersdorf  writes:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:03:50 -0700, William Daffer
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>"halle"  writes:
>>>
>>>> William Daffer (whdaffer@wabcmail.com) wrote:
>>>>> sorry to play through, but this is just too rich to resist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "halle"  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Philip Mathews (philipmathews@comcast.net) wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 11:41 am, "halle"  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Philip Mathews (philipmath...@comcast.net) wrote:
>>>>>>>>> German transport records indicate more than 1.3 million people
>>>>>>>>> were transported to Auschwitz during the Holocaust. They also
>>>>>>>>> indicate those shipped out of Auschwitz to other locations.
>>>>>>>>> Factoring in those remaining at liberation, and the number of
>>>>>>>>> escapees, more than 1.1 million people were transported to
>>>>>>>>> Auschwitz than left. What happened to those 1.1 million people?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Consider in your response the following additional information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Even before the end of the war news about the gassing of Jews
>>>>>>>>> was received by the Polish underground from members in the camp.
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, prisoners, both Jewish and non Jewish, escaped and
>>>>>>>>> supplied written reports of the gassings. All of these reached the
>>>>>>>>> west.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Source?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Numerous well known and much discussed reports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your lack of sources is noted.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On the contrary. What's 'noted' is your complete ignorance of the
>>>>>  the state of historical knowledge. If you actually knew the history
>>>>>  you claim to be debunking you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself
>>>>>  by suggesting that there wasn't a rich literature in this subject.
>>>>>
>>>>>  But that is ever the way with deniers, to throw themselves into the
>>>>>  fray only to discover how ignorant they are of the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Your lack of sources is noted.
>>>
>>>  Sorry, I'm not required to relieve you of your ignorance, nor even
>>>  prove it to you. The onus of the debate falls to you, the skeptic.
>>
>> You are making the claim that a certain historical event happened in a
>> certain way. The onus is on you to prove it, since one cannot prove a
>> negative.  
>
>  What the hell does that mean? What 'negative' are you required to
>  prove? That some constellation of events didn't happen?
>
>  Of course you can prove such a thing!

Proofs are only possible in mathematics. All other things are cases of
relative probability with the exception of those things that violate
the laws of physics and chemistry, in which case no further
investigation is required: The events in question didn't happen.

> Oherwise what the fuck are you
>  doing claiming that some assertions about history are false when you
>  admit you can't prove any of those claims?

I can't "prove" that the Red Sea didn't open for Moses either, but I
do know it is damn unlikely. It becomes even more unlikely in the
absence of any evidence of human habitation, short or long term, in
the areas in question. More doubt arises when the Egyptians didn't
write anything anywhere about this event.

The same thing can be said for homicidal gas chambers that show no
trace of the poison allegedly used. Gases only flow through pipes such
as shower-heads if they are under pressure, and the installations have
no provisions for this. The doors are not gas-tight, are wood, and
have glass windows. All these features yell unlikely and improbable.
You can believe what you want, all I'm saying is that I find your
"evidence" unconvincing".

>
>  The fact that you demur and try unjustly to shift the burden to me
>  demonstrates that you understand your position is weak 

I'm not shifting anything. You say there were gas chambers. I see a
shower room, and if it actually was a gas chamber, then it was the
most inept design of such a facility in human history, and this from
the world's number two industrial and scientific country of the
period. For me, it doesn't add up and I doubt its validity. The onus
isn't on me to disprove your fables. You are putting forth the model,
and you get to find support for it. So far, the support is pretty
unconvincing.

and therefore
>  you try to avoid the responsibility that commonsesne and custom
>  assigns to you, as the skeptic.
>
>
>> Tired old fabricated "documents" and forced "confessions"
>> from an allied propaganda trial don't exactly count as "proof".
>
>  You, as the skeptic, have to _demonstrate_ that the documents are
>  false and the confessions untrue.

I've seen photographs of alleged German government documents. The
stuff was not on the proper letterhead for the ministry involved and
the address of the ministry was incorrect. No secretary would ever
make that mistake. The language used was extremely stilted and
artificial, the sort of thing that a novice student of German might
do, not a trained secretary of the Foreign Ministry.

>You don't get to assume it.

By default, any document that was ever in allied hands is false until
such time as it is clearly, unequivocably, and beyond any doubt, shown
to be genuine. Most of what passes for evidence is a copy of a copy of
a copy with the original nowhere to be found.

>
>  so far, you and your co-believers are failing.

I am not failing at anything. I'm just a non-believer. Convince me, if
you are able.

>
>  Miserably.
>
>whd


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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:33:12 -0400, "127.0.0.1" 
wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
>Philip Mathews  wrote:
>
>
>> > Oh yeah. Then, explain why, after that "Wannsee protocol" which
>> > allegedly started the "industrial plan to kill all European Jews"
>> > __in January 1942, the SS planned and built morgues and not "killing
>> > factories" at Birkenau in July-August 1942?
>> 
>> Because they were planned long before, and because Auschwitz's role in
>> the extermination of the Jews changed.
>
>There ya have folks. 

The holocaust™ story is in constant flux, so trying to get a definite
answer to anything is rather like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.


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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:17:01 +0200, ZULU  wrote:

>Philip Mathews wrote:
>
>> On Aug 29, 4:32 pm, ZULU  wrote:
>> 
>>>RJ11 wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article , ZULU   wrote:
>>>
>>>>>What I observe is that you put assertions without any consistant fact
>>>>>or document to support it.
>>>
>>>>   Really,  lulu?
>>>>   Where is that document about the alleged "conversion" of cellar 1
>>>>to an "air-raid shelter"?
>>>
>>>Material evidences
>>>
>>>1- requirement of 1 gas tight door (1 m x 1,90 m)
>> 
>> 
>> Compatible with a homicidal gas chamber, not a room labeled as a
>> "morgue".
>> 
>> None of the known air-raid shelters at Auschwitz had gas tight doors.
>
>Proofs?

An air-raid shelter wit