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The pseudonymous "Murungu" comments on American Renaissance, its founder
Jared Taylor, Ernst Zuendel, and IHR Director Mark Weber.  "Murungu" is
an avowed antisemite and a racist, and a particularly offensive one.

For example, he calls for "all the Jews to utterly disappear off the
face of the earth," because "our planet would be so much more clean and
decent."  He claims that "subliminally and subconsciously" Jews are
"yelling at us to exterminate them."  And so on.

Related URLs include:

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/nyms/murungu
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/t/taylor.jared
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/w/weber.mark
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?orgs/american/ihr
http://www.nizkor.eye.net/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/

"Murungu" writes:

   Our movement has strong, honest, and fearless white men who do not
   compromise or pander to Jews, who =have= made headway in the mass media
   in spite of Jewish pressures to repress them. Dr William Pierce's
   revolutionary novel is now in most major bookstores. Ernst Zundel is an
   open National Socialist and he is a household word in Canada. Mark
   Weber's IHR terrifies the Jewish establishment and is well known in the
   historiographic community. One does not have to compromise with the
   enemy to make headway.

The fact that Mark Weber's IHR is well-known in the historical
community as a deplorable and unfortunate organization is not
mentioned -- for example, see the American Historical Association's
comments at:

http://web.gmu.edu/chnm/aha/persp/announce/holodeny.html

Anyway, "Murungu" goes on:

   I know Mark Weber personally and I have been to a couple of the
   conferences held by the Institute for Historical Review. =NEVER= has
   the podium been crammed with Jews [as at the AR conferences] and in
   fact they are extremely rare there. Mark Weber has never pandered to
   them. Mark is willing to speak out openly on the Jewish dimension
   and it is a major focus of his 'Journal of Historical Review'.

Keep in mind that this is the same IHR which claims that "there is no
correlation between 'Holocaust' refutation and anti-Semitism" -- see
.

As an aside, the interested reader may wish to contrast Murungu's
opinion of Ernst Zuendel with that of Tom Metzger, an equally-hateful
racist and antisemite.  Unlike "Murungu," he believes that Zuendel is
not helping the racist movement, because Zuendel does not stand up for
racism except behind closed doors (where they merely "give lip service
to the racist struggle"), and because "proving or disproving the Jew
Holocaust would not help the race one iota."  See:

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/m/metzger.tom/audio

But it is Murungu's comments on Mark Weber that are most intruiging: his
claim that "I know Mark Weber personally" and that "Mark is willing to
speak out openly on the Jewish dimension and it is a major focus of his
'Journal of Historical Review'."  This is of course true, but it is nice
to see it confirmed by a repulsive racist who knows Mark Weber
personally.





Subject:     SF: AR Conference
Sent:        7/7/96 5:31 PM
Received:    7/8/96 2:12 PM
From:        Murungu@interserv.com, murungu@interserv.com
To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:31:57 -0700
Subject: SF: AR Conference
 
 
On Fri,  5 Jul 1996, fenix@smartnet.net (Fenix@smartnet.net) wrote:
>From: fenix@smartnet.net (Dennis Nix)
>Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 15:59:12 -0500
>Subject: SF: AR Conference
> 
[Dennis said, in response to Draconian:]
>The AR Conference was organized solely by whites - racialist whites. The
>staff of American Renaissance is white - racialist whites. The advisory
>board for the nonprofit corporation running AR is white - racialist whites.
>No Jews, not even white Jews, righteous Jews, whatever. Jews did not
>organize the conference, control it, nor was it done under their aegis.
>Jared Taylor did not apply for approval from any Jew to put on the
>conference.
 
So the four Jews [close to 50% of the speakers] at the AR podium in 1994,
was an illusion?  Did we imagine it?  Or perhaps they really were there,
but it was a coincidence, or it doesn't matter and we should overlook it?
 
Is it yet another coincidence that Jared did his best to bring in the
same 'mix' [50%!] of Jews to the 1996 speaker slots?  He tried to get
Rabbi Schiller and Lawrence Auster, but they didn't show.  The intent
in 1996 remains the same as in 1994.
 
Perhaps Dennis can answer these questions that I pose:
 
1.  Are Jews 'white' in the sense that they are our racial kin?
2.  Are Jews "white people who happen to have a different religion"
    [as Samuel Francis said at the 1994 AR conference]?
3.  Should a white movement have white spokespersons, white leaders,
    white writers, and white activists, or Jews?
4.  Is Jewish behaviour and actions in the last 2,000 years conducive
    to generating our trust?
 
>Obviously, he didn't apply for Murungu's permission either.
>He's a white man doing something for his race besides beating his gums (or
>fingers) in worthless backbiting. You and Murungu are seeing more than is
>there.
 
You can reduce this to personal attacks on myself or a sneer at people
who use monikers and who use their computers to help their people, but the
larger issues will not go away.  Jared Taylor has pandered to Jews in
selecting speaker slots, he ignores the Jewish dimension in his writings,
and he has compromised on too many issues.
 
[Draconian said:]
>>       Free speech in White
>>Western societies is a RIGHT, not a privilege, it comes straight from
>>the person who wants it.  It doesn't have to be "applied" for or
>>"organized" or "approved".
 
[Dennis replied:]
>If that is true, then this must no longer be a white society... Those of us
>with web sites are constantly waiting for the Jew shoe to drop.  We have to
>scrape for every "speech" opportunity we get. Some people (Sobran, Francis,
>Buchanan, Taylor) with partial messages have some opportunity in narrow
>audiences.
 
Yes, this is no longer a white society.  The United States has become a
corrupt and Judeocentric entity.  Government and mass media are no longer
in the hands of our people, and have become divorced from our racial interests.
To break into the media, one often has to speak and write in Jew-pleasing tones
.
Some people are willing to bend over for Jews this way, but some are not.
There are those of us who =do= reserve our =right= to speak out openly and who
refuse to do so in Jew-pleasing parameters.
 
But the 'partial message' is the racialist message watered-down and compromised
.
At some point the message becomes so diluted as to be practically worthless.
From reading AR, there is even sometimes a moralistic debate in its pages over
the 'morality' of being a racialist.
 
>Others, like Pierce and Duke, have very restricted audiences.
>Everyone of these people "want" their free speech "right"! How much are
>they getting? Scraps! They're fighting a guerilla campaign with words.
 
Taylor's audience is equally resticted, it consists in the main of Southern
conservatives, usually of an advanced age, respectable, and kosher.  It is
a myth to suggest that he is smashing through media barriers and reaching
and converting the white masses.  The pandering to Jews and the continual
compromises have achieved very little.  After nearly 8 years of publishing
his magazine, he is not far from where he began.
 
What I'm saying is that to compromise and make concessions to Jews, is not
going to win 'victory'.  Our people are in dire straits, and the small numbers
of them that are receptive to the racialist message need to hear the
unadulterated truth and not some Jew-pleasing distortion.  Are we in this
to help our people, or to deceive them at the behest of Jews who are 'helping'
our movement?
 
>It took 166 people getting killed in OKC for the media to parade Pierce out
>as a villian and an example of "hate," which allowed him to obtain a little
>publicity. Pierce is receiving a hundred words of negative publicity for
>every word he gets out. That's the situation we're operating in and it
>takes a strong man to enter the arena...
 
I don't see that at all.  His book "TURNER DIARIES" has done more to awaken
white racial consciousness, than everything done by dozens of other white
organisations over decades.  The average white American has heard of TD
and knows that it is something about white people fighting back against
the government.  Most white Americans have never heard of American Renaissance
in spite of its compromises and pandering to Jews in an attempt to break into
the media.
 
If the goal is to reach the white masses, then one must understand them.
The masses are 'feminine' and respond to men of uncompromising action.
Heroes who take up arms against the oppressive anti-white State are far more
likely to capture their imagination than genteel 'respectable' beautifully
dressed kosher conservatives who wring their hands in terror over whether
or not to call themselves racialists.
 
Our movement has strong, honest, and fearless white men who do not compromise
or pander to Jews, who =have= made headway in the mass media in spite of
Jewish pressures to repress them.  Dr William Pierce's revolutionary novel
is now in most major bookstores.  Ernst Zundel is an open National Socialist
and he is a household word in Canada.  Mark Weber's IHR terrifies the Jewish
establishment and is well known in the historiographic community.  One does
not have to compromise with the enemy to make headway.
 
>The presence of Jews and their
>domination are two different things, although, of course, they often go
>together. Their presence at the AR conference doesn't mean they dominated
>it. In fact, they did not.
 
I'm sorry, but seeing half the speakers at the 1994 conference being Jewish,
left many of us with a very different impression.  They don't belong in any
white organisation, they are not our genetic kin, they are members of a
people that has engaged in genocide against our people for over 2,000 years.
 
>In a similar vein, does Pierce's deal with Lyle Stuart mean he sold out to
>the Jews?
 
The deal broke "TURNER DIARIES" into the mainstream book trade.  This
revolutionary novel is now in most of the major bookstores and finally
accessible to the average white American.  The publicity surrounding the
deal with Stuart has been priceless.  Stuart is a Jew whose lust for money
outweighs his connection to his fellow Jews.  He has been denounced by them
and by Morris Dees for cutting the deal with Dr Pierce.  =THAT= speaks
volumes.
 
To equate what Taylor has done in inviting half his speakers to be Jews,
with Dr Pierce's book deal, is ludicrous.
 
>Does Mark Weber's association with David Cole mean Cole runs JHR?
 
I know Mark Weber personally and I have been to a couple of the conferences
held by the Institute for Historical Review.  =NEVER= has the podium been
crammed with Jews [as at the AR conferences] and in fact they are extremely
rare there.  Mark Weber has never pandered to them.  Mark is willing to
speak out openly on the Jewish dimension and it is a major focus of his
'Journal of Historical Review'.  Taylor, by way of contrast, avoids the
Jewish dimension like the plague.
 
>Does Willis Carto's dealings with Mark Lane or Victor Ostrovsky mean he's
>a Mossad agent?
 
I don't know.  You will have to ask him.
 
>Does a Jewish lurker on SF, who slips in a bit of dissension now and then,
>mean he controls it - and us?...
 
There have been two such Jewish lurkers in recent months who did in fact
try to influence the course of our discussions.  They met with resistance
and the discussion area remains a =white= meeting place.  Similarly, there
are those of us here who would like to see the wider movement remain in white,
non-Jewish hands, and our spokespersons and writers to be our own people.
 
>No one has broken out of
>the pack, or even established themselves as a viable poltical or
>revolutionary group. My point is that we spend too much time attacking
>other activists, accusing them of being Jewish controlled, fat, etc. That
>can be expected in a very frustrating situation, but it's not helpful.
 
In other words, we have to shut up about the fact that Jared Taylor wants
half the speakers at AR conferences to be Jews, even though those conferences
purport to be 'white' conferences aimed are white renaissance.  It's not
'helpful' to notice such things.  It's 'divisive' and 'counter-productive'
to keep our movement out of Jewish hands, is that it?
 
>Some of us spend too much time telling everyone else which approach is right.
>And frankly that is premature - extremely premature! Think for a minute! If
>Taylor's approach is wrong, or he's the wrong guy to pursue, it's HIS waste
>of time, not yours. Same with Pierce, or whoever...
 
Not if an organisation top-heavy with Jewish speakers is drawing people, money,
and energy away from the =serious= white racialist organisations.  Some of us
feel that our fellow whites should be warned about this.
 
Ian McKinney recently posted an excellent summary of various white organisation
s
that became infested with Jews, and what happened to them.  Each one soaked up
and neutralised immense resources.  If you disagree with Mr McKinney, then I
urge you to respond to his posting.
 
>Improve your personal status so you can't be denigrated as easily, build
>yourself up to be more valuable for the group you think is doing the best job.
 
I agree.  Then they need to ensure that whatever group they support is entirely
=white= and not something co-opted or distorted by Jewish interlopers.
 
>Observe the other groups, objectively critiquing their successes and failures
>so that you learn from them.
 
That's exactly what we're doing here.  But you seem to be exempting AR.
 
>Build bridges to them. Let them know that you're on the same general side...
 
Just speaking for myself, any organisation infested with Jews is not, in my
opinion 'on our general side'.  I don't plan to build bridges to Jews.
 
>At least Pierce, Taylor, Weber, Zundel, et al, are maintaining a presence
>and keeping the spark alive. To me, it's a shame for US to castigate them.
>They all get enough of that from the Traditional Enemy.
 
Taylor is =NOT= in the same league as Pierce, Weber, or Zundel.  Those men
speak out openly on the Jewish question and do not pander to Jews in selecting
speaker slots at their gatherings.  The 'Traditional Enemy' viciously attacks
those men while it ignores Taylor.  Doesn't that tell you something?
 
 

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