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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport -- IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
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On Jun 30, 7:21 pm, Jason P  wrote:
> Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport
>
> IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
>
>     GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) - Two men rammed a flaming sport utility
> vehicle into the main terminal of Glasgow airport Saturday, crashing
> into the glass doors at the entrance and sparking a fire, witnesses
> said. Police said two suspects were arrested.
>
>     glasgow-airport.jpgThe airport - Scotland's largest - was
> evacuated and all flights suspended, a day after British police
> thwarted a plot to bomb central London, discovering two cars abandoned
> with loads of gasoline, gas canisters and nails.
>
>     "One has to conclude ... these are linked," Dame Pauline Neville-
> Jones, former head of Britain's joint intelligence committee, told Sky
> News. "This is a very young government, and we may yet see further
> attacks."
>
> You have to conclude that? No you do not. You should conclude nothing.
> In London there are cars packed with nails and petrol. In Glasgow
> there are a couple of nutcases in a jeep:
>
>     Thomas Conroy, a maintenance worker at the airport believes the
> men deliberately tried to set the car on fire.
>
>     "It looked like they had Molotov cocktails with them," he said.
>
>     "They sort of burst them round about the flames to make sure the
> car would go up big style.
>
>     "Within minutes it was up and the terminal caught as well."
>
> Good that no-one aside from the arrested lunatics were hurt. We should
> not treat such things lightly.
>
> It's just that there' something vain, pathetic and posturing about
> this incident that makes us less fear the villains than wonder how
> they managed to get themselves dressed in the morning...

jUST A BLACK OPERATION BY MOSSAD TO STIR THE NEW PM IN ACTION AND MAKE
HIM FEAR OF MICE AND ROACHES!

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for
> reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
> Albert Einstein



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:37:59 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport -- IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
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 CRAP! JUST A BUNGLED MOSSAD BLACK OP, AIMED AT PUTTING THE FEAR IN
THE BONES OF THE NEW PM!

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for
> reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
> Albert Einstein



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport -- IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
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On Jun 30, 7:21 pm, Jason P  wrote:
> Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport
>
> IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
>
>     GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) - Two men rammed a flaming sport utility
> vehicle into the main terminal of Glasgow airport Saturday, crashing
> into the glass doors at the entrance and sparking a fire, witnesses
> said. Police said two suspects were arrested.
>
>     glasgow-airport.jpgThe airport - Scotland's largest - was
> evacuated and all flights suspended, a day after British police
> thwarted a plot to bomb central London, discovering two cars abandoned
> with loads of gasoline, gas canisters and nails.
>
>     "One has to conclude ... these are linked," Dame Pauline Neville-
> Jones, former head of Britain's joint intelligence committee, told Sky
> News. "This is a very young government, and we may yet see further
> attacks."
>
> You have to conclude that? No you do not. You should conclude nothing.
> In London there are cars packed with nails and petrol. In Glasgow
> there are a couple of nutcases in a jeep:
>
>     Thomas Conroy, a maintenance worker at the airport believes the
> men deliberately tried to set the car on fire.
>
>     "It looked like they had Molotov cocktails with them," he said.
>
>     "They sort of burst them round about the flames to make sure the
> car would go up big style.
>
>     "Within minutes it was up and the terminal caught as well."
>
> Good that no-one aside from the arrested lunatics were hurt. We should
> not treat such things lightly.
>
> It's just that there' something vain, pathetic and posturing about
> this incident that makes us less fear the villains than wonder how
> they managed to get themselves dressed in the morning...
>
> --- --- --- ---
> =A9 2007 Big Brother Celebrity News & Gossip : Anorak

Idiots is right! They were certainly not the "terrorists" Most likely
they were the  Mossad flunkies!

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for
> reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
> Albert Einstein



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:37:59 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: London car bombs was Re: VISITING TURKEY? TELL THEM YOU ARE A CANADIAN!
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On Jun 30, 11:53 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex yoiu cannot argue that Blair was responsible for these two
> explosive-laden Mercedes sedans in central London as he has gone yet
> they planted those bombs.

DO NOT LIE ARSEHOLE! IF THEY WERE BOMBS THERE WOULD BE NOT TOO MUCH
LEFT OF PICADILLY CIRCUS



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: WAS IT THE WORK OF ADAM PEARLMAN, THE JEWISH LEADER OF AL QAEDA?
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WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PROTESTERS, IDIOT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
ADAM PEARLMAN THE JEWISH CAPO OF AL QAEDA!



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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Police hunting London car bombers was Re: BOOGA, BOOGA, BOOGA
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On Jun 30, 11:56 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> bennielovestr...@alltimes.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20f0bc0d3026463d989f7f@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > > Actually Alex the bomb never went off!
>
> > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6255452.stm
>
> > > Police hunting London car bombers
>
> > > The first Mercedes car loaded on to a truck in Haymarket
> > > The two cars have been taken away for forensic examination
> > > Anti-terrorism police have launched a huge manhunt for the people who
> > > planted two car bombs in central London.
>
> > > Police, who have described events as "troubling", are studying hours of
> > > CCTV footage in the search for suspects.
>
> > > The cars - both Mercedes - were packed with nails, petrol and gas
> > > cylinders, but the devices were not detonated.
>
> > Nor could they have been. There was no detonation device with them, nor was
> > there any explosive in the cars.
>
> > The public needs their daily dose of fear tactics.
>
> I know Alex is saying that too. You are both wrong again. The detonation
> device was a mobile phone and it was pulled out. Nor do you need
> explosives as gasoline and gas can explode if given a spark. There were
> also nails placed around designed to kill hundreds.

YOU ARE ONE STUPID JEW. GASOLINE DOES NOT EXPLODE, JUST BURNS. PROPANE
TANK MAY EXPLODE BUT IT ONLY CAUSES A BIG WHOOSH,



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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Police hunting London car bombers was Re: BOOGA, BOOGA, BOOGA
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On Jun 30, 12:17 pm, Ariadne  wrote:
> On 30 Jun, 16:56, BernardZ  wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article ,
> > bennielovestr...@alltimes.com says...
>
> > > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.20f0bc0d3026463d989f7f@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > > > Actually Alex the bomb never went off!
>
> > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6255452.stm
>
> > > > Police hunting London car bombers
>
> > > > The first Mercedes car loaded on to a truck in Haymarket
> > > > The two cars have been taken away for forensic examination
> > > > Anti-terrorism police have launched a huge manhunt for the people who
> > > > planted two car bombs in central London.
>
> > > > Police, who have described events as "troubling", are studying hours of
> > > > CCTV footage in the search for suspects.
>
> > > > The cars - both Mercedes - were packed with nails, petrol and gas
> > > > cylinders, but the devices were not detonated.
>
> > > Nor could they have been. There was no detonation device with them, nor was
> > > there any explosive in the cars.
>
> > > The public needs their daily dose of fear tactics.
>
> > I know Alex is saying that too. You are both wrong again. The detonation
> > device was a mobile phone and it was pulled out. Nor do you need
> > explosives as gasoline and gas can explode if given a spark. There were
> > also nails placed around designed to kill hundreds.
>
> A flaming car was driven into a terminal building
> at Glasgow airport 2 hours ago.

ANOTHER PLUMBER LOST HIS WAY, I GUESS!




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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Lebanese troops, civilians attack Palestinian marchers was Re: JEWS LIE ALL THE TIME, AND FOOLS LIKE NANAIMO PUMP JOCKEY HELP THEM
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On Jun 30, 11:50 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> So what Alex. I am saying that the Lebanese troops attacked and killed
> the Palestinian
> marchers!!!
YOU DO NOT KNOW CRAP!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Survivor Memoir Exposed as Fraud
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On Jun 30, 11:48 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article , rwar...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.20f0bf3c73ac325d989f84@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > > This is actually all quite awhile ago, hardly new news!
>
> > And not by a jew.
>
> That is true too Binjamin Wilkomirski is not Jewish.

AND FUCK YOU! IF HE LIED WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A
JEW, ALLRIGHT!
>
> He is not the only one to do it too. There was a non Jewish Australian
> that wrote a similar book.
>
>
>
> > >http://www.othervoices.org/2.1/salecl/wilkomirski.html
>
> > > In article ,
> > > bennielovestr...@alltimes.com says...
> > >> Holocaust Survivor Memoir Exposed as Fraud
> > >> by Mark Weber
>
> > >> A Holocaust survivor memoir that has received prestigious literary awards
> > >> and lavish praise has been exposed as a hoax.
> > >> In Fragments: Memories of a Wartime Childhood, Binjamin Wilkomirski




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On Jun 30, 6:34 am, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.20f0bf3c73ac325d989f84@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> > This is actually all quite awhile ago, hardly new news!
>
> And not by a jew.
>
HE IS NOT A JEW, BECAUSE HE GOT NAPPED!
>
> >http://www.othervoices.org/2.1/salecl/wilkomirski.html
>
> > In article ,
> > bennielovestr...@alltimes.com says...
> >> Holocaust Survivor Memoir Exposed as Fraud
> >> by Mark Weber
>
> >> A Holocaust survivor memoir that has received prestigious literary awards
> >> and lavish praise has been exposed as a hoax.
> >> In Fragments: Memories of a Wartime Childhood, Binjamin Wilkomirski




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 Kurt Nimmo, Another Day in the Empire


June 29, 2007

"British police Friday thwarted a car-bomb attack that would have brought 
carnage to the streets of London just days before the second anniversary of 
the July 7, 2005, bombings that claimed 52 lives," writes Nile Gardiner for 
the neocon house organ, the National Review Online. "The car was packed with 
nails, gas canisters and petrol containers, and left outside a nightclub 
near Piccadilly Circus. This latest attempt to kill and maim hundreds of 
civilians is most likely the work of al Qaeda or one of its numerous 
British-based affiliates. It was timed to coincide with the departure of 
Tony Blair, and the entrance of new Prime Minister Gordon Brown. It also 
coincided with Blair's appointment as the Quartet's new Middle East envoy in 
the face of strong opposition in the Arab world."

Gardiner has no evidence "al-Qaeda," the database, is involved in this 
absurdly incompetent plot, and even Scotland Yard has said it is far too 
early to determine who is behind the "foiled attack," but now that the 
corporate media is hysterically braying "al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda," it makes 
little difference who is responsible. Gardiner believes, or wants us to 
believe, the plot was "timed to coincide with . the entrance of new Prime 
Minister Gordon Brown," and in fact Gardiner may be correct, although not 
for the reason he states. Brown was selected to lord over the British people 
because he is a darling of the Bank of England, a former chancellor of the 
Exchequer, a medieval English institution for the collection of royal 
revenues, that is to say the fleecing of subjects. As well, Brown was 
selected because he is regarded as a "control freak" and "totally 
uncollegiate," according to Charles Clarke, the former home secretary. In 
short, he unflinchingly runs roughshod over his victims, the sort of 
psychological makeup considered a prerequisite for a principate, especially 
one taking orders from bankers and the globalist coterie.

It stands to reason Tony Blair's "appointment as the Quartet's new Middle 
East envoy" faces "strong opposition in the Arab world," as Blair is a war 
criminal. He was informed by the Foreign Office that an attack on Iraq was 
illegal under international law and he met with Bush in Crawford April 2002 
and vowed his support for the invasion, that is to say he promised to donate 
the lives of Brits in the effort to slaughter Iraqis, an effort that has 
paid off handsomely (more than 750,000 killed to date), that is if you're a 
psychopath, as Blair obviously is. Arabs who know anything about Blair 
realize he is a pathological liar, as he said up until the eve of the 
invasion attacking Iraq was not inevitable when in fact he secretly agreed 
with the neocons to attack Iraq all along.

In addition to sending out the message Gordon Brown is the "war on 
terrorism" prime minister, the fake would-be attack, likely staged by MI5, 
serves as yet another object lesson for British commoners, who, according to 
the New York Times, "shrugged stoically at the July 7 bombings two years 
ago" and "seemed less than troubled here today after police announced that 
they had defused an explosive mixture of gasoline, nails and gas canisters 
in a car abandoned outside the Tiger Tiger on a thoroughfare called 
Haymarket." Staged terrorism and repeatedly foiled plots carried out by 
terrorists apparently unable to tie their shoes in the morning without 
assistance is "something you get used to, living in London," according to a 
lawyer quoted by the Times. "And given the stance our government made on the 
war in Iraq and elsewhere, I think we are just getting used to being a 
target. It's something we have to live with."

No doubt, as well, Brits will need get "used to" the fact their country is 
"sinking into a police state," as George Churchill-Coleman, who headed 
Scotland Yard's anti-IRA squad, told the Guardian two years ago. "We live in 
a democracy and we should police on those standards.. I have serious worries 
and concerns about these ideas on both ethical and practical terms. You 
cannot lock people up just because someone says they are terrorists. 
Internment didn't work in Northern Ireland, it won't work now. You need 
evidence."

Of course, you need evidence to claim "al-Qaeda" is behind the sloppy and 
wholly amateurish work in London today, but that has not stopped the 
corporate media or the fear-monger hacks with an agenda-i.e., slaughtering 
Muslims and divvying up the Middle East-from leading to conclusions and thus 
subjecting the public to non-stop propaganda.

http://www.uruknet.info/?colonna=m&p=34098&l=e&size=1&hd=0 




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 > It is you Muslims who have lost your way if you ever
> had one.
 MUSLIMS KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING, YOU SCUM HAVE LOST YOUR WAY INTO MIDDLE 
EAST WHERE YOU DO NOT BELONG! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Zionists started with Russia in 1917, Germany in 1939, Iraq in 2003, Iran in 
2007, and now the world's oil supplies. Soon they will be Gods walking the 
earth.

Think about the 45,000,000 the Bolsheviks killed in Russia, the 62,000,000 
killed in WW2, the 15,000,000 in WW1, etc, etc.

Israeli Zionists wouldn't hesitate to kill 2,000 on a carrier, or 200,000 in 
Des Moines.




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On Jun 30, 10:07 pm, "Binyamin Cramer" 
wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.20f12791f3a54058989f8a@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
>
>
> > Alex yoiu cannot argue that Blair was responsible for these two
> > explosive-laden Mercedes sedans in central London as he has gone yet
> > they planted those bombs.
>
> The vehicles were not "explosive laden" as you so emotively and dishonestly
> claim, dopey.

Exactly! That was a typical Mossad black operation to induce fear and
hatred of muslims!



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On Jul 1, 10:57 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Fool you cannot even read it states
>
> "Detectives reportedly believe the male suspect was locked up and
> quizzed over a mass murder plot by convicted al-Qaeda terrorist Dhiren
> Barot to pack three limos with gas, petrol and nail bombs."
>
IT IS A LAUGH OF THE TOWN YOU STUPID IDIOT! NO "TERRORIST" IN THE
WORLD WOULD EVEN DREAM OF USING GASOLINE AS AN EXPLOSIVE. IT HAS BEEN
STAGED BY MOSSAD TO MAKE BRITS TREMBLE!



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On Jul 1, 5:44 am, "xolodilnik"  wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6257594.stm

SOBACHIY SIN! DUMAESH CHTO YA EST  ZHID ILI ARAP!



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On Jul 1, 3:47 am, cormac  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 12:21 am, Jason P  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport
>
> > IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
>
> >     GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) - Two men rammed a flaming sport utility
> > vehicle into the main terminal of Glasgow airport Saturday, crashing
> > into the glass doors at the entrance and sparking a fire, witnesses
> > said. Police said two suspects were arrested.
>
> >     glasgow-airport.jpgThe airport - Scotland's largest - was
> > evacuated and all flights suspended, a day after British police
> > thwarted a plot to bomb central London, discovering two cars abandoned
> > with loads of gasoline, gas canisters and nails.
>
> >     "One has to conclude ... these are linked," Dame Pauline Neville-
> > Jones, former head of Britain's joint intelligence committee, told Sky
> > News. "This is a very young government, and we may yet see further
> > attacks."
>
> > You have to conclude that? No you do not. You should conclude nothing.
> > In London there are cars packed with nails and petrol. In Glasgow
> > there are a couple of nutcases in a jeep:
>
> >     Thomas Conroy, a maintenance worker at the airport believes the
> > men deliberately tried to set the car on fire.
>
> >     "It looked like they had Molotov cocktails with them," he said.
>
> >     "They sort of burst them round about the flames to make sure the
> > car would go up big style.
>
> >     "Within minutes it was up and the terminal caught as well."
>
> > Good that no-one aside from the arrested lunatics were hurt. We should
> > not treat such things lightly.
>
> > It's just that there' something vain, pathetic and posturing about
> > this incident that makes us less fear the villains than wonder how
> > they managed to get themselves dressed in the morning...
>
> > --- --- --- ---
> > =A9 2007 Big Brother Celebrity News & Gossip : Anorak
>
> There seems to be clear links between the Glasgow and London
> atrocities. Tony Blair's departure date was known well in advance. It
> was an opportunity to strike George Brown almost instantly when he
> took over at No 10.

Hardly a terrorist that is for sure. Probably bunch of disgruntled
Iraqis, who are sick and tired of seeing their country destroyed by
the savages
>
> There were different strategies. In London (as in Bali) the bombs were
> aimed at night entertainment. Many Muslims are evilly misogynistic and
> abhor the idea that lightly clad women mix socially with men, dance
> and drink alcohol.

All muslims abhore the pederasty, prostitution, and public sex. If you
like that sort of thing that is your business. Muslims do have respect
for humanity, and women and children especially!
>
> Glasgow was clearly aimed directly at Brown as he is Scottish.
>
> Cormac.




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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Idiots Arrested In Flaming Car At Glasgow Airport -- IF you were going to kill lots of people, would you do this?
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On Jul 1, 2:23 am, chuckles_the_scary_cl...@budweiser.com wrote:
> On Jul 1, 12:40 am, Ariadne  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 1 Jul, 00:21, Jason P  wrote:
>
> > > It's just that there' something vain, pathetic and posturing about
> > > this incident that makes us less fear the villains than wonder how
> > > they managed to get themselves dressed in the morning...
>
> > Well, that's certainly one of the things we
> > wonder about you, PeeVomit.
>
> > In relation to the failed terrorist attack, those
> > with clearer vision might see something to
> > suspect in that the cars containing the failed
> > London bombs had been stolen in Glasgow
> > and the crispy critter taken to hospital was
> > wearing an explosive belt.  Among other
> > things.
>
> Ahh, but you have to second guess the language being used.
>
> A "suspect device" found on the person of one of the men is almost
> certainly nothing more than a mobile phone seeing as it's been
> established that mobile phones can be used to remotely detonate
> explosives.
>
> So if you carry a mobile phone and you're the subject of a random stop-
> and-search..........................what is it these days, you can be
> held for 90 days without charge?
Do you know someone who does not have a mobile phone?




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On Jul 2, 12:22 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3419781,00.html
>
> Sudanese find refuge in kibbutz near Eilat
>
> After roaming Israel for many long hours,
> Sudanese refugees finally find compassion
> from southern kibbutz after Omer regional
> council, resort city of Eilat refuse them entry
>
 Jews will arm them again and send them to kill each other



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Sex Slaves Recount Ordeals
Sahar al-Haideri



      Women looking for work are being tricked into sexual slavery, with 
some trafficked abroad.

      Mosul (ICR No. 225, 29-June-07)

      Asma's family was facing dire financial problems when a man in his 60s 
came to her father with an offer they couldn't refuse: he said he would hire 
Asma for 200 US dollars a month to help take care of his wife, who was 
handicapped.

      Asma's mother is blind and her father is disabled, leaving them 
struggling to make ends meet. The man assured the couple that Asma could 
visit them, and that he would raise her with his daughters. The impoverished 
family took him up on the offer, but Asma, 17, had no idea what was in store 
for her.

      "My work was not only in the kitchen; I had to have sex with son of 
the man who hired me and his four or five friends," she said in an interview 
after fleeing a life of sexual slavery. "I left my father's house a virgin 
and now I am. "

      She stopped speaking. Her father said nothing except, "I put my trust 
in God."

      The deteriorating security situation and absence of law and order has 
allowed sexual slavery to grow in Iraq, with traffickers able to sell 
victims without fear of punishment.

      According to the US State Department's Trafficking in Persons Report, 
issued in June, Iraqi women and children are forced into prostitution and 
trafficked inside Iraq and abroad, to countries like Syria, Jordan, Qatar, 
the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and Iran.

      In the volatile northwestern city of Mosul, near the Syrian border, 
girls and young women from poor and illiterate families are particularly 
vulnerable to sexual exploitation. Many of those hired as domestic servants 
end up becoming sex slaves.

      Khaled, 45, who readily admits to involvement in the sex trade, wears 
jeans and a yellow T-shirt with four or five rings on his fingers and 
bracelets around his wrist. This reporter witnessed him speaking to a client 
about whether he preferred a brown or white girl or woman as a sex slave.

      "I know some families who are ready to have their daughters work to 
earn a living for them," he said. "Some ask me if [their daughters] can only 
work in kitchens, while others try to close their eyes and pretend that they 
have no idea that their daughters are being used as prostitutes."

      Other women seek Khaled out on their own, but don't always know the 
full extent of his business.

      Zaineb, 20, is a thin and beautiful woman with light-coloured hair. 
She felt financially responsible for her family because her father was 
arrested by the US military, her mother was ill and she had younger sisters 
that needed support. Zaineb got a job through Khaled, but to her horror 
discovered that she had been forced into prostitution.

      "I [have to] sleep with different men each night," said Zaineb, who 
managed to contact IWPR. "[My boss] and his friends always take me to a 
farm, where they get drunk, and then have sex with me. I cry, asking for 
help from my father and mother, but how can they hear me?"

      Victims of sexual slavery in Iraq have little support from the police 
or the courts. Iraqi law only criminalises the sexual exploitation of 
children.

      Many women are tricked into sex slavery in Iraq with the promise of a 
new life in the Gulf.

      Khaled convinced 18-year-old Alia's family that a man in the Gulf 
wanted to marry her, and paid for her passport and new clothes.

      "Like any other bride, I was happy," she said. "But I discovered after 
I travelled to the Gulf that the bridegroom was a nightclub manager who used 
many other Iraqi girls for prostitution. I managed to flee after 10 
humiliating months.

      "I was screaming when one of [the men] had sex with me; they 
considered me a slave that they had bought. I lost my dreams, hopes and 
future."

      The state department report noted that the Iraqi government did not 
prosecute any trafficking cases this year, nor did it offer protection for 
victims or make efforts to prevent or document trafficking. It also said 
efforts needed to be made to "curb the complicity of public officials in the 
trafficking of Iraqi women".

      The names of people mentioned in this story have been changed to 
protect their identity.

      Sahar al-Haideri was an IWPR journalist working in Mosul. She was 
murdered there in June 2007.








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  Kurt Nimmo, Another Day in the Empire


June 29, 2007

"British police Friday thwarted a car-bomb attack that would have brought 
carnage to the streets of London just days before the second anniversary of 
the July 7, 2005, bombings that claimed 52 lives," writes Nile Gardiner for 
the neocon house organ, the National Review Online. "The car was packed with 
nails, gas canisters and petrol containers, and left outside a nightclub 
near Piccadilly Circus. This latest attempt to kill and maim hundreds of 
civilians is most likely the work of al Qaeda or one of its numerous 
British-based affiliates. It was timed to coincide with the departure of 
Tony Blair, and the entrance of new Prime Minister Gordon Brown. It also 
coincided with Blair's appointment as the Quartet's new Middle East envoy in 
the face of strong opposition in the Arab world."

Gardiner has no evidence "al-Qaeda," the database, is involved in this 
absurdly incompetent plot, and even Scotland Yard has said it is far too 
early to determine who is behind the "foiled attack," but now that the 
corporate media is hysterically braying "al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda," it makes 
little difference who is responsible. Gardiner believes, or wants us to 
believe, the plot was "timed to coincide with . the entrance of new Prime 
Minister Gordon Brown," and in fact Gardiner may be correct, although not 
for the reason he states. Brown was selected to lord over the British people 
because he is a darling of the Bank of England, a former chancellor of the 
Exchequer, a medieval English institution for the collection of royal 
revenues, that is to say the fleecing of subjects. As well, Brown was 
selected because he is regarded as a "control freak" and "totally 
uncollegiate," according to Charles Clarke, the former home secretary. In 
short, he unflinchingly runs roughshod over his victims, the sort of 
psychological makeup considered a prerequisite for a principate, especially 
one taking orders from bankers and the globalist coterie.

It stands to reason Tony Blair's "appointment as the Quartet's new Middle 
East envoy" faces "strong opposition in the Arab world," as Blair is a war 
criminal. He was informed by the Foreign Office that an attack on Iraq was 
illegal under international law and he met with Bush in Crawford April 2002 
and vowed his support for the invasion, that is to say he promised to donate 
the lives of Brits in the effort to slaughter Iraqis, an effort that has 
paid off handsomely (more than 750,000 killed to date), that is if you're a 
psychopath, as Blair obviously is. Arabs who know anything about Blair 
realize he is a pathological liar, as he said up until the eve of the 
invasion attacking Iraq was not inevitable when in fact he secretly agreed 
with the neocons to attack Iraq all along.

In addition to sending out the message Gordon Brown is the "war on 
terrorism" prime minister, the fake would-be attack, likely staged by MI5, 
serves as yet another object lesson for British commoners, who, according to 
the New York Times, "shrugged stoically at the July 7 bombings two years 
ago" and "seemed less than troubled here today after police announced that 
they had defused an explosive mixture of gasoline, nails and gas canisters 
in a car abandoned outside the Tiger Tiger on a thoroughfare called 
Haymarket." Staged terrorism and repeatedly foiled plots carried out by 
terrorists apparently unable to tie their shoes in the morning without 
assistance is "something you get used to, living in London," according to a 
lawyer quoted by the Times. "And given the stance our government made on the 
war in Iraq and elsewhere, I think we are just getting used to being a 
target. It's something we have to live with."

No doubt, as well, Brits will need get "used to" the fact their country is 
"sinking into a police state," as George Churchill-Coleman, who headed 
Scotland Yard's anti-IRA squad, told the Guardian two years ago. "We live in 
a democracy and we should police on those standards.. I have serious worries 
and concerns about these ideas on both ethical and practical terms. You 
cannot lock people up just because someone says they are terrorists. 
Internment didn't work in Northern Ireland, it won't work now. You need 
evidence."

Of course, you need evidence to claim "al-Qaeda" is behind the sloppy and 
wholly amateurish work in London today, but that has not stopped the 
corporate media or the fear-monger hacks with an agenda-i.e., slaughtering 
Muslims and divvying up the Middle East-from leading to conclusions and thus 
subjecting the public to non-stop propaganda.

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Captured Hezbollah agent helped plan deadly Karbala raid
A top special operations officer from Lebanon's Iranian-backed militia 
Hezbollah has been captured in Iraq, where U.S. officials say he played a 
key role in a January attack that killed five Americans.




"Under interrogation he also admitted to being Darth Vader's other son, and 
a descendant of Jack the Ripper on his mother's side. Did we mention Iran 
yet?" -- Official White Horse Souse 




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Revealed: testimony that casts doubt on Lockerbie verdict
As the man convicted of the 1988 Pan Am 103 atrocity awaits his second 
appeal, Home Affairs Editor John Bynorth reveals the existence of crucial 
evidence unheard at his trial

CRUCIAL EVIDENCE that could have cleared the Libyan convicted of the 
Lockerbie bombing was not presented at his trial, the Sunday Herald can 
reveal. A senior airport baggage handler is believed to have made statements 
which might have cast doubt on the prosecution's claim that Abdelbaset Ali 
Mohmed al-Megrahi, 55, arranged for an unaccompanied case containing the 
bomb that blew up Pan Am flight 103 to travel on an Air Malta flight from 
the island's Luqa airport.

The witness, understood to have been the airport's head baggage loader at 
that time, is believed to have told the Maltese police investigating the 
disaster that there were no unaccompanied items among the luggage that he 
counted on to flight KM180 to Frankfurt.

Prosecutors claimed the brown Samsonite case containing the bomb went 
through the German hub's computerised baggage systems on to a feeder flight, 
Pan Am 103A to Heathrow. There, the bomb inside a Toshiba BomBeat cassette 
player went on flight 103 to New York. It blew up over Scotland with the 
loss of 270 lives on December 21, 1988.

It is understood this evidence was not heard at the original trial and the 
baggage loader was not called to give evidence.
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The Sunday Herald knows the identity of the baggage handler but has agreed 
not to reveal it. It is understood his evidence was not presented at 
al-Megrahi's nine-month trial at Camp Zeist, in the Netherlands, which ended 
in 2001. His detailed statements, running into thousands of words, could 
cast renewed doubt over the Crown's case after the Scottish Criminal Cases 
Review Commission (SCCRC) last Thursday referred al-Megrahi's conviction to 
the high court for a second appeal.

The commission's 800-page examination of new evidence and witness statements 
in a three year investigation costing £1.1 million concluded there had been 
a possible miscarriage of justice, and the lord advocate, Elish Angiolini, 
immediately appointed leading advocates Ronald Clancy QC and Nick Gardiner 
to head up the Crown's case at the appeal, for which a date has not yet been 
set.

The Sunday Herald understands that the head loader told the Maltese police 
in November 1989 that, as far as he was aware, KM180 was loaded as normal. 
It was loaded in his presence and he insisted he would have checked the 
number of items of luggage twice, once on the trolley and once going up the 
conveyor belt, when he would have checked the logs for the flight were 
correct. He insisted he would not have guessed the number of pieces of 
luggage and would not have allowed someone to count them on his behalf.

He said he was aware of claims by the authorities in Germany that it was 
possible that an extra bag was recorded as going into their computerised 
system at the time KM180 was being unloaded, but he ruled out any suggestion 
that it came from KM180.

The Crown indictment alleged that al-Megrahi conspired with his co-accused 
al-Amin Khalifa Fhimah. But Fhimah, a former station manager with Libyan 
Arab Airlines in Malta, was acquitted by trial judges Lords Sutherland, 
Coulsfield and MacLean at the trial.

If true, the head loader's evidence could have major significance in 
al-Megrahi's appeal, because Wilfred Borg, general manager of ground 
operations at Luqa airport, told the trial it was theoretically possible for 
someone with inside knowledge of the tiny airport to put unaccompanied 
baggage on the plane.

His claims were supported by suggestions from computer documentation from 
Frankfurt that an unaccompanied piece of baggage arrived from flight KM180 
and was transferred through their baggage hall on December 21.

Al-Megrahi was a senior Libyan intelligence officer who was head of security 
at Libyan Arab Airlines at Luqa airport. Campaigners such as the former 
Labour MP Tam Dalyell maintain he was nothing more than a sanctions-buster 
who smuggled airline parts to Libya.

The head airline loader is believed to have told Maltese police in November 
1989 that he had been shown the ramp progress sheet and the distribution 
sheet for flight KM180 and that he had signed both documents.

It is understood that he reiterated his claims two months later, when he 
insisted to police that he always counted the bags on the trolley and on the 
conveyor belt when the bags were going into the hold. He passed on his 
figures to the aircraft dispatcher, usually between 10 and 20 minutes after 
departure. If there was any discrepancy between his figures and those of the 
check-in staff, a baggage identification check would be held. It is believed 
that he said no such baggage identification check was held on that date, so 
he assumed the total he gave must have tallied with the total given to the 
aircraft dispatcher by the check-in staff.

It is understood he considered it impossible for any extra suitcase to have 
been put on board the aircraft at loading and ruled out any suggestion that 
one could have been smuggled on board. Had there been a bomb on board, he 
said, it must have been in checked-in baggage.

Al-Megrahi's solicitor, Tony Kelly, claimed that, had the loader given 
evidence at the original trial, it might have cast doubt in the minds of the 
three senior judges trying him over the Malta connection.

The Sunday Herald understands that the head loader's evidence is to be 
submitted in support of al-Megrahi's appeal, together with evidence from 
Maltese shopkeeper Tony Gauci after clothing and other items from the bomb 
case were traced back to his shop, Mary's House, in the resort of Sliema. 
The SCCRC pointed out that Gauci had had "exposure" to a photograph in a 
magazine linking him to the bombing before the identity parade, which, their 
report said, "undermines the reliability of his identification of the 
application at that time and at the trial itself".

The commission added that evidence suggested the items found in the case 
could have been bought before December 6, the day before Gauci claimed the 
sale to al-Megrahi took place, when he was not on the island. Kelly told a 
press conference after the SCCRC report that if this were the case, his 
client could not stand convicted of this crime.

One of several theories put forward for al-Megrahi's conviction is that he 
was a victim of international politics in a deliberate, concerted attempt to 
scapegoat Libya for the attack rather than Iran after the Gulf war.

The country is said to have ordered the Lockerbie bombing as revenge for the 
US's downing of an Iranian passenger plane in the Persian gulf with the loss 
of 300 lives in July 1988, five months before Lockerbie.

The Egyptian terrorist Mohammed Abu Talb, a former member of the Palestinian 
Popular Struggle Front (PPSF), was said to have carried out the attack. He 
is serving a life sentence in a Swedish prison for the 1985 bombing of a 
Danish synagogue. Talb was known to have visited Malta several weeks before 
the bombing, and Scottish police investigating the Pan Am bombing discovered 
clothing bought on the island in his flat in Germany during an operation in 
May 1989. However, Talb was granted immunity from prosecution after giving 
evidence at Camp Zeist, where he denied being responsible for Lockerbie.

Luqa's security came under scrutiny during the trial when Borg admitted it 
was possible a passengerless piece of baggage could have been loaded.

During the trial, Alan Turnbull QC, senior counsel for the prosecution, 
asked Borg: "From what you've told us, if the head loader miscounted by one, 
then an extra bag could be carried, over and above the total that was meant 
to be?

Borg replied: "If he miscounted, yes." Turnbull went on to suggest that 
someone who worked at the airport would have been able "with that knowledge 
and that access, to have deliberately circumvented the checks that you have 
in place?"

Borg replied: "Anything is possible. Whether it is probable is a different 
story."

Despite Borg's admission that there was a theoretical possibility that the 
case containing the bomb boarded at Malta, it was never proved conclusively.

He admitted that a head loader could have "deliberately" not counted a 
particular bag to beat the baggage checks in place. He also replied "yes" 
when Turnbull asked if that was an example of the type of methods that could 
have been used to put unaccompanied baggage aboard.

However, the judges said they were satisfied after hearing evidence which 
suggested that an unaccompanied bag appeared to have gone through the 
computer controlled baggage system at Frankfurt on to flight Pan Am 103A to 
Heathrow. In their verdict, trial judges Lords Sutherland, Coulsfield and 
MacLean conceded that "counsel for the defence pointed out that neither the 
head loader nor the other members of the loading crew were called to give 
evidence, and submitted that, in their absence, the Crown could not ask the 
court to draw any inference adverse to them. The absence of any explanation 
of the method by which the primary suitcase might have been placed on board 
KM180 is a major difficulty for the Crown case, and one which has to be 
considered along with the rest of the circumstantial evidence in this case."

The significance of al-Megrahi's conviction resting on the bomb being put on 
at Luqa was emphasised when Lord Kirkwood, the presiding judge at his appeal 
in January 2002, asked Turnbull: "Is the ingestion at Luqa of a bag 
containing the bomb an essential part of the Crown case against the 
appellant? Turnbull replied: "Yes, it is, my Lord. Yes."

The judges in their summing-up dismissed claims made by al-Megrahi's defence 
that doubts existed over the accuracy of computer printouts at Frankfurt 
>from December 21, 1988, suggesting that an unaccompanied bag had passed 
through their system from Air Malta KM180.

They said: "None of the points made by the defence seems to us to cast doubt 
on the inference from the documents and other evidence that an unaccompanied 
bag from KM180 was transferred and loaded onto PA103A."

Evidence from a CIA informer that al-Megrahi was seen at Luqa airport on the 
day KM180 flew was also discredited.

Abdul Majid Giaka, a member of the Libyan intelligence service, the JSO, 
claimed that al-Megrahi had collected a brown Samsonite suitcase from a 
luggage carousel at Luqa which he had seen him taking through customs on the 
day before the bombing.

Giaka's testimony, which had at first linked al-Megrahi and Fhimah, was 
fatally damaged when it was revealed that he would receive $4 million from 
the US government if his evidence was instrumental in gaining a conviction 
for the Lockerbie bombing.

Kelly said: "This information came from the person responsible for loading 
the flight on that day. You can't get any clearer how serious it is. In my 
opinion it utterly discredits the indictment and puts a totally different 
complexion on what happened at the trial in relation to this aspect of the 
evidence.

"This chapter of the evidence is crucial to the prosecution case. It is not 
something the Crown can say, But this doesn't matter.' It could have made a 
huge difference if this evidence had been available to be examined by the 
chief Crown prosecutor and al-Megrahi's defence counsel. You could go 
further and argue that any verdict arrived at in ignorance of this evidence 
is a verdict that can't be allowed to stand - it's that fundamental."

Kelly argues that, if believed, the head handler's evidence could cast doubt 
on the "theoretical possibility" that the case was put on at Malta. He added 
that, when the witness "says it wasn't possible. Can you prove it went on at 
Luqa? If this is not possible, it is impossible to prove the accused is 
guilty. Without ingestion at Malta, the case finishes."

The Crown Office refused to comment directly when questioned over this fresh 
evidence. Instead, a spokesman referred us to the relevant section of the 
judge's verdict dealing with the baggage issues at Frankfurt, Heathrow and 
Luqa.





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 wrote in message news:FE0ii.1204$Np2.1017@trnddc07...
>
> On  1-Jul-2007, NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL
>
> & thus no worries, ever.
>
>> @yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt (Authors)
>
> "Authors" - oh, that's a hot one!!
 It sure is Irish! 




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Was London Bomb Plot Heralded On Web?
Hours before London explosives technicians dismantled a large car bomb in 
the heart of the British capital's tourist-rich theater district, a message 
appeared on one of the most widely used jihadist Internet forums, saying: 
"Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed."
CBS News found the posting, which went on for nearly 300 words, on the "al 
Hesbah" chat room.




Only problem is that the "al Hasbah" chat room is REGISTERED WITH A DOMAIN 
REGISTRATION COMPANY IN SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA, one that hides the identity of 
the original registrar.
Does anyone besides me find it strange that after tracking back various 
"terrorist" (nudge nudge wink wink) websites to places like Texas and 
Virginia, all of a sudden Domains by Proxy starts up to provide "terrorist" 
websites with anonymity, and despite the hue and cry against anyone who 
supports terror and the USAPATRIOT act, Domains By Proxy isn't investigated, 
harassed, raided, or for that matter even mentioned in the media as an 
obvious facilitator of the "terrorist" websites?




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The 9/11 attack has been getting a lot of windshield time lately in my day 
to day. I'm not thinking about it any more than usual, it just seems to come 
up. One of the objections I hear a lot from people who haven't done any 
research, or are prone to 'not want to know', is that the 'inside job' 
perspective of the attack and ensuing cover-up would be impossible without 
thousands of people being aware of it. I'd like to address that feature 
today and provide some links that will clarify so many other questions that 
may be out there.

First some links. Here is a movie called "Zeitgeist". It is a feature length 
film and at this site http://www.everythingburns.com/wordpress/?p=65 you can 
view it in 3 parts or any sequence you like. If you still aren't clear 
whether 9/11 was an inside Job after you see this film then, you really don't 
want to know or lack the capacity to. Here is the home page of the movie, 
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ and here is a little something from England 
that dovetails into the mix 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1882365905982811133&hl=en .....now 
to my point.

First off, in order for the attacks to have been carried out with a minimum 
of notice all that had to be accomplished was controlling the access points 
into the planes; that's all. It should be noted here that the same security 
firm was in charge at all of the 9/11 airports, The London Tube and Madrid 
train station on the days of the attacks. That's one hell of a coincidence 
isn't it? That security firm is ICTS. You can do the background check on 
them. It's more effective for you that way. Just stick 'ICTS' and '911' into 
Google and see what you come up with.

Once whomever is on those planes is on those planes then it doesn't matter 
any more because no one is getting off any of those planes to do any 
interviews and no one who isn't on those planes has any idea who is on those 
planes, especially when all the communications from those planes are under 
control. Most of us now know that at least 7 of the hijackers purported to 
be on those planes were discovered later, by ABC News, among others, to be 
alive and well in their home countries. You can check this out as well if 
you are of a mind to. Concerning the actual attacks and who was involved, 
all that has to be done is to control the access points to the planes. That's 
it.. because there was no remaining evidence (that wasn't planted) and that 
brings me to the cover-up.

Everything, at all the sites where an attack occurred, or a plane hit a 
government building, or crashed into a field, was carted away and kept away 
>from the curious. There are some site photos, here and there and before and 
after and they tell us a great deal but all that evidence, black boxes, 
melted steel, surgically cut girders, parts of planes, bodies, etc. they're 
gone. All the evidence is gone. Whenever a crime is committed in America 
there is a very heavy emphasis upon physical evidence and the chain of 
evidence. This time. nada. That alone should tell you a lot. Also what 
should tell you a lot is what evidence was found; the absurd presence of 
Mohammed Atta's undamaged passport on a New York Street, Koran's and flight 
simulation training DVD's in a car at Logan airport, certain eyewitness 
reports and alleged cell-phone conversations. a casual watcher of network TV 
dramas should be savvy enough to see through that BS. Then comes the media. 
Let's talk about the media a little.

A majority of the American people believe that either 9/11 was an Inside Job 
or that the government knew it was coming and stood back and let it happen. 
To what degree do you see this vast public perception addressed on TV? When 
you do see it addressed it is done in a dismissive manner or involves a 
media attack dog going after some occasional expert trotted out for 
humiliation. That's rare enough but it does happen. The media has shut down 
on the matter and focuses instead on the constant occurrence of terrorist 
activity that is the constant focus of the leaders who have brought you all 
of the repressive institutions that have stolen your constitutional rights; 
Homeland Security, telephone and email and wire tapping, airport body 
searches and assaults on free speech. If you haven't noticed any of this. 
what can I say?

Where have we learned what we know today? The Internet and the people on the 
street who talk about what they saw and heard. You aren't getting it 
anywhere else. And it isn't as if the questions aren't valid. Nowhere in 
history has even a single skyscraper come down as a result of a fire, much 
less 3 buildings, all within a few hours of each other, all designed to take 
a hit from the very planes that hit them, all falling at the impossible rate 
of free fall and one of them not even hit by anything and also coming down 
at the rate of free fall and all of them into their own footprint. What are 
the odds? Ten trillion to one would be good odds. I would think it would be 
more than that. And that is only one piece of evidence from one event that 
is patently ridiculous. The amount of irreconcilable coincidence and absurd 
official explanation is vast indeed. But the government, the media, the 
religious community and business world are all arm in arm lockstep, walking 
in blindfolded denial and side of the mouth talking bullshit when they talk 
at all.

Control of the points of access to the planes and control of the media in 
the aftermath, that's all it takes. It's all been done before, a number of 
times, prior to all of the big wars and whenever somebody wants to invade 
somewhere; like Afghanistan and Iraq and then bomb Iran and Syria- coming to 
a theater near you soon.

What about the members of Congress? That's a good question isn't it? Well, 
some people were making annoying noises here and there; Cynthia McKinney, 
what happened to her? What happens to someone in Congress that does speak 
out? What happens to a reporter who works for major media and speaks out? 
So, what happens is that the only people that get into certain positions are 
those vetted by the controlling interests. Politicians are among the most 
self-serving individuals on the planet. It is self interest that attracts 
them to the game in the first place. Look at the crimes committed by various 
people in various professions and notice how their choice of employment put 
them into contact with what they were after; money, power, underage sex, 
drugs.. check it out.

What difference does it make to you if 9/11 was an Inside Job or if Iraq 
didn't have WMD's? What difference does it make to you if you are being 
strip searched as a result of a terror attack that wasn't committed by 
terrorists? What difference does it make to you if hundreds, thousands of 
people are arrested and held without charge or counsel and tortured into 
confessing to things they know jackshit about? What difference does it make 
to you if soldiers are dying in an illegal and unnecessary war? Some of you 
are wandering around going, "I don't know, I don't know, just leave me 
alone!", some of you are saying, "The government wouldn't do that!", even in 
the face of what you can clearly see the government is doing every day. Some 
of you are screaming, "Nyah, nyah, I can't hear you." with your fingers in 
your ears. Some of you are shopping or chatting on cell phones and don't 
give a flying fuck what happens to anyone as long as it doesn't happen to 
you. Some of you are drunk, or stoned, or up against economic crisis. Some 
of you just want to get laid and then you can die happy. A lot of you care 
but you don't know what you can do about it.

What do we do about it, or anything? Like the song says, "let your 
conscience be your guide." We're not here to put an end to every evil and 
dry every tear. We're here to do our best and demonstrate the courage of our 
convictions whether we win or we lose. We are defined by what we think and 
say and do. Maybe this matters to you and maybe it doesn't. That's for you 
to decide. But whether 9/11 was an Inside Job and whether or not they 
covered it up and went on a profit binge in the aftermath..? That's easy, 
yes, it was. Yes, they did and, yes,... they did. What are you going to do 
about it? 




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On Jul 2, 7:02 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>  READ THIS CRAP!
>
>                     British Hunt for al-Qaida-Linked Network
>
CRAP IS RIGHT! THEY ARE HUNTING FOR THE JEWISH LEADER OF AL QAEDA,
ADAM PEARLMAN HE WAS SEEN LURKING AROUND THE NIGHT CLUBS WITH HIS
BRAIDS AND WEARING A BLACK HASIDIC HAT!



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 In muslim countries women do not get bel;ted up for riding in front
of the bus, Israelis, Jews beat the women senseless for riding in
front of the bus!



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On Jul 2, 9:52 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Exactly Alex it seems to me that muslims think women are just large
> children,
CRAP BERNARD! MUSLIM WOMEN DRIVE, AND SOME FLY PLANES, MANY MORE
MUSLIM WOMEN ARE DOCTORS THAN IN ISRAEL. sAUDIA IS A CORPORATION NAMED
AFTER ITS OWNER, IT SETS THE RULES ACCORDING TO THE CORPORATE AGENDA.
MUSLIM WORLD IS NOT SAUDI ARABIA



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On Jul 2, 10:06 am, "Binyamin Cramer" 
wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.20f3ae3afb16a8f0989f9b@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> > Exactly Alex it seems to me that muslims think women are just large
> > children, that our brains don't fully mature. We can't be trusted to
> > drive or show our faces because we might do something childish.
>
> A shiela you are now already?

 A dumb kike shieila to boot!



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Son replaces father as Shiite leader
Amar al-Hakim emerges as part of a new generation of influential Iraqi
clerics
BY ROBIN WRIGHT and JOHN WARD ANDERSON
Washington Post
Article Launched: 07/02/2007 12:01:00 AM CDT


After years of troubled relations with Iraq's Shiite politicians,
President Bush in December welcomed Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, resplendent
in black turban and traditional robes, to the White House. The visit
cemented Hakim and his party as America's latest, favorite Shiite ally
in Iraq.

In May, however, the 57-year-old cleric was found to have lung cancer,
raising questions about the future leadership of his Supreme Islamic
Iraqi Council, the largest bloc in the Shiite alliance that dominates
Iraq's parliament.

As Hakim undergoes chemotherapy in Iran, his 36-year-old son, Amar,
has emerged as heir apparent, already assuming many of his father's
duties, Iraqi officials say.

Amar al-Hakim, who wears rimless glasses and a neatly trimmed beard,
is one of a new generation of clerics, including radical Muqtada al-
Sadr, who now define the spectrum of Shiite politics.

"The Hakims run events inside the tent, and Sadr runs them outside the
tent," said a senior Iraqi diplomat, a reference to Sadr's role as the
main Shiite challenger.

The younger Hakim claims he bridges both worlds. "Let me tell you a
secret," he said. "My father is a Hakim, but my mother is from the al-
Sadr family. So I'm the unifier!"

Hakim now runs the Al-Hakim Foundation, which is in charge of
multimillion-dollar welfare and education projects. During Iraq's 2005
elections, he also proved a charismatic campaigner for the party - and
a stark contrast to his strait-laced father, Iraqis say.

On
Baghdad's streets, Hakim is compared to Saddam Hussein's son because
of widespread but unproven allegations of his involvement in shady
financial deals and possible corruption. "No one can touch him because
he is Amar al-Hakim," said Abu Abdullah, a computer store owner in
Baghdad's Karrada neighborhood.
Judge Radhi al-Radhi, head of Iraq's independent Commission on Public
Integrity, which probes alleged corruption, said he investigated
complaints that Amar Hakim was involved in a contract between the U.S.
Embassy and Iraq's Oil Ministry, but the allegations were
unsubstantiated. "And no one was applying pressure on me," Radhi said.

"I think there are people seeking to make such accusations for
specific political reasons," Hakim said. "They even forged some papers
stating that the U.S. ambassador authorized us to export oil from
Iraq, and as everyone knows, the American ambassador has no
responsibility for Iraqi oil exports."

For now, Hakim wants U.S. troops to stay in Iraq. But he is also
frustrated that the U.S. invasion has unleashed an array of other
conflicts.

"There's a problem between the U.S. on one side and Iran and Syria on
the other that is being played out on Iraqi soil, and another problem
between Iran and the Arab states being dealt with on Iraqi soil, and a
third between al-Qaida and the U.S. playing out on Iraqi soil," he
said. "None of these are in Iraq's interests."

In early June, his Al-Hakim Foundation co-sponsored a meeting at the
United Nations on "Iraq for all Iraqis," which brought together a
dozen senior Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish clerics to call for sectarian
and ethnic unity against extremist ideologies.

At the same time, like his father, Hakim takes a firm position on two
issues that most alarm Iraq's minority Sunnis - creating a Shiite
province in the oil-rich south and banning former members of Saddam
Hussein's Baath Party from government jobs.

Although he denies any region would have a sectarian or ethnic base, a
western region would be predominantly Sunni - and have limited oil
resources.

Sadr and other Shiite parties do not back creation of a southern
Shiite region. U.S. officials say they fear creating three provinces
dominated by religious or ethnic groups would eventually divide Iraq
into separate states.

Hakim said he wants a "true partnership" with Sunnis but also
criticized U.S. pressure to change a law to help reconcile with
Sunnis, particularly former Baath Party members.

The elder Hakim's health has generated questions about whether the
Supreme Council will lose its dominant role in Iraqi politics.

"The other parties are definitely behaving as if Hakim's demise would
work to their advantage and create new opportunities for them," said
an Arab envoy in Baghdad. "The only person who has grass-roots support
is Sadr. Hakim has Bush receiving him at the White House and the
ayatollahs seeing him in Iran. But Hakim's influence in southern Iraq
began to ebb at the end of 2006. And his health problems come at a
time that he was beginning to face problems politically."

As for the younger Hakim, his potential rivals have neither the
religious nor family name needed to lead the movement, Iraqis say.
"The downside is that his appointment would be in the line of the
Mubaraks and the other Middle East father-and-son dynasties. At the
same time," a prominent Sunni politician said, "we could do a lot
worse."

http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_6278193?nclick_check=1



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On American military bases all across Iraq, the shredded wreckage of scores 
of humvees damaged by IEDs and other explosive devices lie under tarps, 
hidden from public view. Much like the coffins of soldiers killed in the 
line of duty, the Pentagon refuses to allow images of the physical toll of 
battle to be seen by the public.

CNN highlights the vulnerability of the army's most prolific vehicle, and 
the familiar story of the lack of pre-war planning, through the story of 
Army reserve Captain Allen Vaught, a Dallas trail lawyer who was deployed to 
Iraq in 2003. Vaught was stationed in both Fallujah and later Sadr city, and 
saw firsthand how unprepared the army was for an extended insurgency. Vaught 
broke his back when an IED destroyed the poorly armored humvee he was riding 
in.

In a letter home to his mother during the first month of the war, Vaught 
expressed his fear of riding in a humvee with only canvas doors, writing, 
"it's getting worse here in Fallujah and we don't know why...I thought we 
were supposed to be greeted as liberators"

Vaught has no doubts where the munitions that kill American troops come 
from, explaining that Iraq was littered with open bunkers filled with tank 
shells, RPG rounds, and other explosives that were looted because of the 
lack of American troops needed to secure the country in the early days of 
the war.

While the number of so called up-armored humvees in Iraq has increased from 
235 in 2003 to over 8,000 now, the Pentagon now claims they need at least 
2,000 more.

The following video clip is from CNN's documentary Battlefield Breakdown, 
broadcast on July 1.

(in the web)

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Pentagon_hides_piles_of_IEDshredded_Humvees_0702.html




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
news:1183391472.130794.318000@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 2, 8:26 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> Son replaces father as Shiite leader
>> Amar al-Hakim emerges as part of a new generation of influential Iraqi
>> clerics
>> BY ROBIN WRIGHT and JOHN WARD ANDERSON
>> Washington Post
>> Article Launched: 07/02/2007 12:01:00 AM CDT
>>
>> After years of troubled relations with Iraq's Shiite politicians,
>> President Bush in December welcomed Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, resplendent
>> in black turban and traditional robes, to the White House. The visit
>> cemented Hakim and his party as America's latest, favorite Shiite ally
>> in Iraq.
>>
>> In May, however, the 57-year-old cleric was found to have lung cancer,
>> raising questions about the future leadership of his Supreme Islamic
>> Iraqi Council, the largest bloc in the Shiite alliance that dominates
>> Iraq's parliament.
>>
>> As Hakim undergoes chemotherapy in Iran, his 36-year-old son, Amar,
>> has emerged as heir apparent, already assuming many of his father's
>> duties, Iraqi officials say.
>>
>> Amar al-Hakim, who wears rimless glasses and a neatly trimmed beard,
>> is one of a new generation of clerics, including radical Muqtada al-
>> Sadr, who now define the spectrum of Shiite politics.
>>
>> "The Hakims run events inside the tent, and Sadr runs them outside the
>> tent," said a senior Iraqi diplomat, a reference to Sadr's role as the
>> main Shiite challenger.
>>
>> The younger Hakim claims he bridges both worlds. "Let me tell you a
>> secret," he said. "My father is a Hakim, but my mother is from the al-
>> Sadr family. So I'm the unifier!"
>>
>> Hakim now runs the Al-Hakim Foundation, which is in charge of
>> multimillion-dollar welfare and education projects. During Iraq's 2005
>> elections, he also proved a charismatic campaigner for the party - and
>> a stark contrast to his strait-laced father, Iraqis say.
>>
>> On
>> Baghdad's streets, Hakim is compared to Saddam Hussein's son because
>> of widespread but unproven allegations of his involvement in shady
>> financial deals and possible corruption. "No one can touch him because
>> he is Amar al-Hakim," said Abu Abdullah, a computer store owner in
>> Baghdad's Karrada neighborhood.
>> Judge Radhi al-Radhi, head of Iraq's independent Commission on Public
>> Integrity, which probes alleged corruption, said he investigated
>> complaints that Amar Hakim was involved in a contract between the U.S.
>> Embassy and Iraq's Oil Ministry, but the allegations were
>> unsubstantiated. "And no one was applying pressure on me," Radhi said.
>>
>> "I think there are people seeking to make such accusations for
>> specific political reasons," Hakim said. "They even forged some papers
>> stating that the U.S. ambassador authorized us to export oil from
>> Iraq, and as everyone knows, the American ambassador has no
>> responsibility for Iraqi oil exports."
>>
>> For now, Hakim wants U.S. troops to stay in Iraq. But he is also
>> frustrated that the U.S. invasion has unleashed an array of other
>> conflicts.
>>
>> "There's a problem between the U.S. on one side and Iran and Syria on
>> the other that is being played out on Iraqi soil, and another problem
>> between Iran and the Arab states being dealt with on Iraqi soil, and a
>> third between al-Qaida and the U.S. playing out on Iraqi soil," he
>> said. "None of these are in Iraq's interests."
>>
>> In early June, his Al-Hakim Foundation co-sponsored a meeting at the
>> United Nations on "Iraq for all Iraqis," which brought together a
>> dozen senior Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish clerics to call for sectarian
>> and ethnic unity against extremist ideologies.
>>
>> At the same time, like his father, Hakim takes a firm position on two
>> issues that most alarm Iraq's minority Sunnis - creating a Shiite
>> province in the oil-rich south and banning former members of Saddam
>> Hussein's Baath Party from government jobs.
>>
>> Although he denies any region would have a sectarian or ethnic base, a
>> western region would be predominantly Sunni - and have limited oil
>> resources.
>>
>> Sadr and other Shiite parties do not back creation of a southern
>> Shiite region. U.S. officials say they fear creating three provinces
>> dominated by religious or ethnic groups would eventually divide Iraq
>> into separate states.
>>
>> Hakim said he wants a "true partnership" with Sunnis but also
>> criticized U.S. pressure to change a law to help reconcile with
>> Sunnis, particularly former Baath Party members.
>>
>> The elder Hakim's health has generated questions about whether the
>> Supreme Council will lose its dominant role in Iraqi politics.
>>
>> "The other parties are definitely behaving as if Hakim's demise would
>> work to their advantage and create new opportunities for them," said
>> an Arab envoy in Baghdad. "The only person who has grass-roots support
>> is Sadr. Hakim has Bush receiving him at the White House and the
>> ayatollahs seeing him in Iran. But Hakim's influence in southern Iraq
>> began to ebb at the end of 2006. And his health problems come at a
>> time that he was beginning to face problems politically."
>>
>> As for the younger Hakim, his potential rivals have neither the
>> religious nor family name needed to lead the movement, Iraqis say.
>> "The downside is that his appointment would be in the line of the
>> Mubaraks and the other Middle East father-and-son dynasties. At the
>> same time," a prominent Sunni politician said, "we could do a lot
>> worse."
>>
>> http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_6278193?nclick_check=1
>
> Another piece of shi'ite..
YOU ARE! 




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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:f685j2$nv0$1@pcls4.std.com...
> In article <1183281100.798312.246840@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
>
>   (drivel snipped)
>
>   "The Nazis offered a solution and I find it difficult to
> blame them" -- "TurkeyBoy" on the Holocaust.  Source:  Message-ID:
> <1182396900.633477.59170@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>.
>
>
> RJ.
Shame for whet? In the last few days ZioNazis have slaughtered dozens of 
Palestinians in cold blood. These killers deserve to die! 




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 JEWS LIE ABOUT THE HOLOFUCKS BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER!!

On Jun 30, 2:43 am, Venceremos  wrote:
> Holocaust Survivor Memoir Exposed as Fraud
> by Mark Weber
>
> A Holocaust survivor memoir that has received prestigious literary
> awards
> and lavish praise has been exposed as a hoax.
> In Fragments: Memories of a Wartime Childhood, Binjamin Wilkomirski
> describes his ordeal as an infant in the Jewish ghetto of Riga
> (Latvia),
> where his earliest memory is of seeing his father being killed.
> Wilkomirski
> also tells how he survived the terrible rigors of wartime internment,
> at the
> age of three or four, in the German-run concentration camps of
> Majdanek and
> Auschwitz.
>
> First published in German in 1995, Fragments has been translated into
> twelve
> languages. In Switzerland, the country where Wilkomirski lives, the
> book has
> been a major best-seller. Two documentary films and numerous personal
> appearances by the author in schools throughout the country have
> helped
> promote the memoir.
>
> The American edition was published by Schocken, an imprint of Random
> House,
> which heavily promoted the book with teachers' study guides and other
> supplementary materials.
>
> Jewish groups and major American newspapers have warmly praised
> Fragments.
> The New York Times called it "stunning," and the Los Angeles Times
> lauded it
> as a "classic first-hand account of the Holocaust." It received the
> 1996
> National Jewish Book Award for Autobiography and Memoir, while in
> Britain it
> was awarded the Jewish Quarterly Literary Prize, and in France the
> Prix
> Memoire de la Shoah.
>
> The US Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC -- a federal
> government
> agency -- was so impressed that it sent Wilkomirski on a six-city
> United
> States fund-raising tour last fall.
>
> This past summer, though, compelling evidence came to light exposing
> Wilkomirski's memoir as an literary hoax.
>
> Although he claims to have been born in Latvia in 1939, and to have
> arrived
> in Switzerland in 1947 or 1948, Swiss legal records show that he was
> actually born in Switzerland in February 1941, the son of an unwed
> woman,
> Yvette Grosjean. The infant was then adopted and raised by the
> Doessekkers,
> a middle-class Zurich couple. Jewish author Daniel Ganzfried, writing
> in the
> Swiss weekly Weltwoche, also reports that he has found a 1946 photo of
> the
> young Bruno Doessekker (Wilkomirski) in the garden of his adoptive
> parents.
>
> Comparisons have been drawn between Wilkomirski's Fragments and The
> Painted
> Bird, the supposedly autobiographical "Holocaust memoir" by prominent
> literary figure Jerzy Kosinksi that turned out to be fraudulent.
>
> Reaction by Jewish Holocaust scholars to the new revelations has been
> instructive, because they seem more concerned about propagandistic
> impact
> than about historical truth. Their primary regret seems merely to be
> that
> the fraud has been detected, not that it was perpetrated.
>
> In an essay published in a major Canadian newspaper (Ottawa Citizen,
> Nov.
> 18, 1998), Jewish writer Judith Shulevitz arrogantly argued that it
> doesn't
> really matter much if Fragments is authentic. Her main misgiving,
> apparently, is that the deceit was not more adroit: "I can't help
> wishing
> Wilkomirksi-Doesseker [sic] had been more subtle in his efforts at
> deception, and produced the magnificent fraud world literature
> deserves."
>
> Deborah Dwork, director of the Center for Holocaust Studies at Clark
> University (Worcester, Mass.), and co-author of Auschwitz: 1270 to the
> Present (Yale Univ. Press, 1996), agrees that Fragments now appears to
> be
> fraudulent. At the same time, though, she expressed sympathy for
> Wilkomirski, saying that when she met him he appeared "to be a deeply
> scarred man." Amazingly, Dwork does not blame him for the imposture,
> "because she believes in his identity." Instead, she takes the
> publishers to
> task for having "exploited" Wilkomirski. (New York Times, Nov. 3,
> 1998).
>
> Deborah Lipstadt, author of the anti-revisionist polemic Denying the
> Holocaust, has assigned Fragments in her Emory University class on
> Holocaust
> memoirs. When confronted with evidence that it is a fraud, she
> commented
> that the new revelations "might complicate matters somewhat, but [the
> work]
> is still powerful."
> Daniel Ganzfried reports that Jews have complained to him that even if
> Fragments is a fraud, his exposé is dangerously aiding "those who deny
> the
> Holocaust."
> American Jewish writer Howard Weiss makes a similar point in an essay
> published in the Chicago Jewish Star (Oct. 9-29, 1998):
>
> Presenting a fictional account of the Holocaust as factual only
> provides
> ammunition to those who already deny that the horrors of Nazism and
> the
> death camps ever even happened. If one account is untrue, the deniers'
> reasoning goes, how can we be sure any survivors accounts are true ...
> Perhaps no one was ready to question the authenticity of the
> [Wilkomirski]
> account because just about anything concerning the Holocaust becomes
> sacrosanct.
>
> Wilkomirski himself has responded to the new revelations by going into
> hiding, although he did issue a defiant statement describing the
> climate of
> discussion about his memoir as a "poisonous" atmosphere of
> "totalitarian
> judgment and criticism."





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"ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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> http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070702/68188959.html
> Print version
>
> (Recasts lead, quote in para 2, adds details, background in para 3-15)
>
> MOSCOW, July 2 (RIA Novosti) - Fugitive Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky 
> has been charged with plotting a coup in Russia, his lawyer said Monday.
>
> "The charge of conspiring to seize power has been brought against 
> Berezovsky," Andrei Borovikov said, adding the accusation had come from 
> the domestic security agency the FSB and was based on an interview with 
> Britain's The Guardian in mid-April.
>
> Berezovsky told the newspaper that he had bankrolled Kremlin insiders 
> conspiring to overthrow President Vladimir Putin. Earlier in January, the 
> businessman also said in an interview with Russia's Ekho Moskvy radio 
> station that he was "working" to stage a violent coup in the country.
>
> Russia's repeated demands for the extradition of Berezovsky, who lives in 
> London as a political emigre and is wanted in Russia on other charges, 
> including large-scale embezzlement and money laundering, have so far been 
> refused.
>
> Earlier Monday, a Moscow court postponed until July 12 a trial in absentia 
> of Berezovsky, who is accused of embezzling over 214 million rubles ($8.3 
> million) of Aeroflot airline money and laundering over 16 million rubles 
> ($620,000) of the national flagship's funds in the late 1990s.
>
> The tycoon was accused in the late 1990s of setting up two front companies 
> in Switzerland to divert millions of dollars from the carrier.
>
> The Aeroflot case was suspended after he fled to the U.K. in 2001 after 
> falling out with Putin and was granted political asylum there in 2003. The 
> Russian Prosecutor General's Office took up the case in April after the 
> publication in The Guardian.
>
> Borovikov said the delay was due to an Aeroflot official's absence from 
> the court session, and to the need to appoint a lawyer to act for 
> Berezovsky.
>
> Berezovsky earlier forbad his defense team from participating in the 
> Moscow hearings, saying he did not want "to be part of that farce."
>
> Berezovsky has repeatedly said charges against him are politically 
> motivated, and his lawyers claimed Russian prosecutors have no evidence 
> substantiating his guilt.
>
> The lawyer said Monday the businessman was likely to receive a two-year 
> suspended sentence in the Aeroflot case - the sentence earlier handed out 
> to two former Aeroflot executives. "We are expecting a guilty verdict."
>
> Under Russian legislation, the charges envision a prison term of up to 10 
> years.
>
> The lawyer also said that so far Berezovsky was not facing espionage 
> charges following Russian businessman Andrei Lugovoi's statement that 
> Berezovsky and his companion Alexander Litvinenko had been recruited by 
> Britain's MI6 intelligence service.
>
> At a news conference in Moscow May 31, Lugovoi said Berezovsky had 
> provided the secret service with documents from Russia's Security Council, 
> when he was deputy head of the body. The FSB has opened an inquiry into 
> the accusations.
>
> Relations between Russia and Britain strained following the death of 
> Litvinenko, an FSB defector and outspoken Kremlin critic, from poisoning 
> in London last November.
>
> For more information in Russian
>
>
> 




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 > "Laidback TJ"  wrote in message
> news:1183398865.146506.302990@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> DO ANYBODY KNOW WHERE HIS OFFICE IS IN LONDON.

I hope the son of a whore will be in the klink, called Lubianka before long! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
news:Pkdii.774$YH3.257@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
> news:1183407893.034037.265450@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 2, 12:38 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
>> > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/877286.html
>>
>>
>> >From a speed prepared by Heir Olmert (der Furer)
>>
>> In order to maintain the racial domination
>
> It is Arabs that do what you say...

Back it up you son of a Jew whore! When was the last time Arabs kicked out 
people based upon their blackness? 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Lieberman: Iran has declared war on the US
"Although no one desires a conflict with Iran, the fact is that the Iranian 
government by its actions has declared war on us," Lieberman wrote, while 
urging the United States to keep "open the possibility of using military 
force against the terrorist infrastructure inside Iran."
"These revelations should be a wake-up call to the United States about the 
threat posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran," Lieberman continued, "as well 
as a reminder why Iraq is, in fact, the central front of the global war on 
terror."



Memo to Joe Lieberman: The reason Iraq has become the "central front of the 
war on terror" is that the US invaded Iraq for its oil, and to neutralize it 
for Israel.
The Iraqi people want their country, now under American occupation, back.

And Joe, if you think that military action against Iran (which will 
inevitably lead to a counter attack against our soldiers in Iraq) is such a 
fantastic idea right now, have you persuaded all of your family of 
appropriate military age to enlist in any of the armed services?

Are any of them serving on the front lines in Afghanistan or Iraq?

I'd be willing to bet that the answer is no.

It's always "other people's families" who are supposed to do that for you.




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Lieberman: Iran has declared war on the US
"Although no one desires a conflict with Iran, the fact is that the Iranian 
government by its actions has declared war on us," Lieberman wrote, while 
urging the United States to keep "open the possibility of using military 
force against the terrorist infrastructure inside Iran."
"These revelations should be a wake-up call to the United States about the 
threat posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran," Lieberman continued, "as well 
as a reminder why Iraq is, in fact, the central front of the global war on 
terror."



Memo to Joe Lieberman: The reason Iraq has become the "central front of the 
war on terror" is that the US invaded Iraq for its oil, and to neutralize it 
for Israel.
The Iraqi people want their country, now under American occupation, back.

And Joe, if you think that military action against Iran (which will 
inevitably lead to a counter attack against our soldiers in Iraq) is such a 
fantastic idea right now, have you persuaded all of your family of 
appropriate military age to enlist in any of the armed services?

Are any of them serving on the front lines in Afghanistan or Iraq?

I'd be willing to bet that the answer is no.

It's always "other people's families" who are supposed to do that for you.




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Lieberman: Iran has declared war on the US
"Although no one desires a conflict with Iran, the fact is that the Iranian 
government by its actions has declared war on us," Lieberman wrote, while 
urging the United States to keep "open the possibility of using military 
force against the terrorist infrastructure inside Iran."
"These revelations should be a wake-up call to the United States about the 
threat posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran," Lieberman continued, "as well 
as a reminder why Iraq is, in fact, the central front of the global war on 
terror."




Memo to Joe Lieberman: The reason Iraq has become the "central front of the 
war on terror" is that the US invaded Iraq for its oil, and to neutralize it 
for Israel.
The Iraqi people want their country, now under American occupation, back.

And Joe, if you think that military action against Iran (which will 
inevitably lead to a counter attack against our soldiers in Iraq) is such a 
fantastic idea right now, have you persuaded all of your family of 
appropriate military age to enlist in any of the armed services?

Are any of them serving on the front lines in Afghanistan or Iraq?

I'd be willing to bet that the answer is no.

It's always "other people's families" who are supposed to do that for you.




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NEWTON'S LAWS OF MOTION ARE APPLICABLE TO SOCIAL
PHENOMENA.  TO EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.
MINE SAYS "IMPERIALISM, ZIONISM, COLONIALISM CREATE THEIR
ANTITHESIS.>>>>>>>>>>>     <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<FROM PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


IN DARFURE, MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIM SO THAT
ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COULD OWN THE OIL IN DARFUR
AND EXPROPRIATE IT FROM THE SUDANES GOVERNMENT WHO IS UNDER CONTRACT
WITH CHINA TO THE EXCLUSION OF ISRAELI-AMERICAN COMPANIES.  AMERICAN
COMPANIES ARE VESTED HEAVILY IN THE FIGHT FOR PROFIT.>>>>>>>>>>>
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill.
<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of
rape
victims and homosexuals.<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" the
"silent
majority" is cowed and extraneous" <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


I HOPE PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS REALIZE IN TOTALITY THAT THEY
ARE ALL  VICTIMS INCLUDING THEIR TRAITORS.  HOPEFULLY THEY WILL WORK
TOGETHER TO DEFEND AGAINST IMPERIALISM, ZIONISM AND ...



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On Jul 2, 9:34 pm, HHW  wrote:
> Anatomy of a Smear
>
> The Commissar Two-Step at DePaul
>
> 07.02.2007 | CounterPunch
> By BILL WILLIAMS
>
> Over the last few weeks, as I have thought hard about how the
> Finkelstein and Larudee tenure denials went down the way they did, I
> repeatedly stumble upon a troubling, but perhaps plausible, scenario.
> Imagine the following phone conversation between the Felix Frankfurter
> Professor of Law at Harvard, Alan Dershowitz, and John Simon, the
> Chair of DePaul's Board of Trustees:
> Alan Dershowitz: "Is this Finkelstein tenure denial really going to go
> down without a hitch? There's a lot riding on this."
>
> John Simon: "We'll take care of it Alan. No need to worry. The players
> are in place. It's a lock. You have my personal assurance."
>
> Alan Dershowitz: "Thanks, John."
>
> In May 2004, a mere one month before fifty Jenner and Block attorneys
> attended a Jewish United Fund/Jewish Federation of Metropolitan
> Chicago Lawyer's Division dinner in Chicago, where Alan Dershowitz
> delivered the keynote address on "The Case for Israel," John Simon, a
> Jenner and Block partner, was elected Chair of DePaul's Board of
> Trustees. In October 2004, he assumed the position of chair of the
> Board of Trustees after having served as a Trustee since 1990.
>
> You read that correctly: one month before Dershowitz made the case for
> Israel in front of the Chicago JUF and the Jewish Federation of
> Metropolitan Chicago Lawyer's Division, with fifty Jenner and Block
> attorneys in attendance, John Simon became chair of DePaul's Board of
> Trustees. Three months after Dershowitz makes the case for Israel
> before fifty Jenner and Block attorneys and 2500 die-hard supporters
> of Israel at a JUF fundraiser, John Simon officially began his stint
> as chair of DePaul's Board of Trustees. (See p. 28 and this video).
> Simon received the ORT Jurisprudence Award in 1999. A little digging
> allowed me to learn that:
> ORT (was created in 1880 by Russian Jews who established new colonies
> and agricultural schools and model farms to help newly displaced
> Russian Jews adapt to an agricultural existence. Known as the
> 'Obschestvo Remeslenovo i. Zemledelcheskovo Trouda,' which translates
> into the 'Society for Trades and Agricultural Labor,' ORT has
> developed into an international non-governmental educator that has had
> schools and programs in 88 countries throughout the world and that
> helps to educate 300,000 students each year. Today, ORT is a world
> leader in technological and general education, teaching the skills
> necessary for success in today's world. (See press release)
>
> Was John Simon in attendance at Dershowitz's talk before the Jewish
> United Fund and the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago Lawyer's
> Division? Are Simon and Dershowitz acquaintances? Friends? Was John
> Simon elected chair of DePaul's Board of Trustees to take care of
> Norman Finkelstein's tenure case, as a favor to Alan Dershowitz? Who
> knows? The answers to these questions are merely speculative at this
> point, but they are certainly worth asking. You can email John Simon
> at jsi...@jenner.com and ask him for some answers to these questions.
>
> "All of this is merely a coincidence," you say, "Don't be paranoid!"
> We all know an upstanding professional such as Alan Dershowitz would
> not try to tamper with Norman Finkelstein's tenure case through
> DePaul's Board of Trustees nearly two years before his good friend
> "Norm" was supposed to go up for tenure, right? Or would he?
>
> Readers will remember that Finkelstein gave Dershowitz the drubbing of
> his life in September 24th, 2003 on Democracy Now!, where Finkelstein
> accused Dershowitz of concocting a hoax plagiarized from another hoax,
> a reference to the fact that Dershowitz, in writing his The Case for
> Israel, "borrowed" - perhaps illegitimately - secondary material from
> Joan Peters' From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Israeli
> Conflict.
>
> We all know the dangers of positing conspiracy theories, but this one
> is really too good to pass up:
>
> On the Jenner and Block website advertising Dershowitz's June 2004
> speech before the Chicago JUF, you'll notice that the JUF/JF board of
> directors is headed by Chairman Lester J. Rosenberg and President
> Steven B. Nasatir. Well, the name Nasatir leapt out at me. As it turns
> out, one Lonnie Nasatir delivered the joyous news on 6/11/07 from the
> ADL office about the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) Greater Chicago/
> Upper Midwest Regional Office's stance on Finkelstein's tenure denial.
> Are Lonnie and Steve Nasatir related? I'm thinking they might be.
>
> Speaking on behalf of the Chicago ADL Office, Lonnie Nasatir insisted
> that one Claudette Marie Muhmammad, who had been appointed to Rod
> Blagojevich's Task Force on Hate Crimes, be removed after it was
> revealed that Muhammad had connections to the Nation of Islam. Imagine
> what might have happened had a woman with the last name of "Epstein"
> been removed from Blagojevich's task force for sending money to the
> Israeli Settler Movement or for proven connections to the Israeli
> Likud Party. The Heavens would surely have darkened. Add to all this
> that the Anti-Defamation League actually specializes in defaming U.S.
> critics of Israel, it's a wonder that Nasatir wasn't rung up on
> charges of "gross hypocrisy".
>
> Another internal player at DePaul, who undoubtedly watched the
> Finkelstein tenure proceeding with keen interest, is J.D. Bindenagel,
> Vice President for DePaul's Community, Government, and International
> Affairs. Bindenagel was a Holocaust Compensation official in the State
> Department appointed in 1999 by President Clinton as U.S. Ambassador
> and Special Envoy for Holocaust issues, reaching "agreements on World
> War II-era forced labor, insurance, art, property restitution, and
> Holocaust education, research and remembrance." In his The Holocaust
> Industry: On the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering Finkelstein deals
> critically with the likes of Bindenagel and Stuart Eizenstat, the
> author of Imperfect Justice and a key player in the Holocaust Industry
> racket. Here's what Finkelstein had to say on Bindenagel:
>
> Even Holocaust survivor organizations decry that the Holocaust
> industry inflated the number of survivors during negotiations only to
> deflate the number once it had the compensation monies earmarked for
> Holocaust survivors at hand: "Why during the negotiations were the
> numbers of actual Shoah survivors so vastly exaggerated and why were
> the negotiators so fearful that the press and the German and Swiss
> opponents might challenge their proclaimed survivors statistics?" The
> inflation now exceeds that of the Weimar years with the US State
> Department's Special Envoy for Holocaust Issues, J.D. Bindenagel,
> proclaiming that "in the postwar years many millions of Holocaust
> victims were caught behind the Iron Curtain." (The Holocaust Industry,
> p. 238-39).
>
> To see Bindenagel's contributions to the Proceedings of the Conference
> on Holocaust-Era Assets, go here. I'm sure this Vice President at
> DePaul would have loved to have had Finkelstein on the faculty
> permanently. I'm sure Finkelstein could have reminded Bindenagel on a
> regular basis the full dimensions of the Holocaust Industry's "Double
> Shakedown" of Europe. "Hey Norm, let's get a martini at 5 so we can
> recap the Holocaust Industry's shakedown of Germany and a good bit of
> Eastern Europe." Probably not - wasn't going to happen.
>
> Assuming DePaul's administration made a commitment nearly three years
> ago to make sure that Finkelstein would be denied tenure, wouldn't it
> have just been more honest and efficient for President Dennis
> Holtscheider to have sent Finkelstein a short note along these lines:
> We don't like the conclusions of your scholarship, which are supported
> by the leading scholars on the Israel-Palestine conflict and the Nazi
> Holocaust, because they aren't conducive to perpetuating the
> propaganda system that DePaul University is dedicated to upholding
> under the banner of 'Vincentian Personalism,' so we'll accuse you of
> advocacy, which suffuses all social-science scholarship.
>
> This is truly defamation, Zionist-style. To hide behind the obvious
> bad-faith language of the tenure denial letter itself, which is
> effectively disposed of by Kim Petersen in his three-part essay on
> Bathos at DePaul/Academe, really requires chutzpah. But when it comes
> to justifying the unjustifiable and explaining the unexplainable,
> chutzpah is all you've got to lean on.
>
> If there's no place for Norman G. Finkelstein in American Academe,
> what does that mean? I'm afraid it means that American Academe isn't
> ready for serious scholarship, especially when it impedes U.S. and
> Israeli war aims in the Middle East.
>
> Bill Williams is an independent writer who lives in Toledo, Ohio. He
> can be reached at wassup7...@aol.com.

Great article! I never thought that the ZioNazis will go this far in
their trickery to oust another Jew simply because of his attitude
towards the Holocaust industry. It proves to me that Finkelstein  and
many other voices such as Irving and Zundel are speakers of the truth.



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torresdD wrote:
> 'Jerusalem not holy to Muslims'
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3419501,00.html
>
> President of Zionist Organization of America:
>
> Palestinians 'not real people'
>
> Yaakov Lappin Published:
> 07.01.07, 10:47 / Israel Jewish Scene
>
> Jerusalem is "not holy to Muslims at all,"
> the president of the Zionist Organization
> of America (ZOA), Morton Klein,
> told a Quebec synagogue congregation,
> the Canadian Jewish News (CJN) reported on Friday.
>
>
> Klein said Jerusalem had never
> been important to Muslims, and
> that the Islamic claim on Jerusalem
> was designed "to take away our heart
> and our soul," the CJN said.

WHAT "HEART", AND WHAT "SOUL" WOULD THAT BE?THE ONE YOU ACQUIRED FROM
YOUR MONGOLIAN ANCESTORS IN KHAZARIA?



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WASHINGTON IS KILLING AMERICA'S TROOPS
Thursday, June 28, 2007
Posted by Jim Hightower
Listen to this Commentary
Let's be blunt. It's no longer the Sunni insurgents, Shiite militias, or al 
Queda bombers killing our troops in Iraq. Washington is killing them.

George W - still clinging to his disgraced neo-con fantasies - and the 
congressional leaders of both parties - unwilling to use their budgetary and 
oversight authority - are the ones who have 150,000 American men and women 
trapped in Iraq's civil war. The troops are doing all they can, yet they 
have been betrayed by a White House and Congress that has no strategy to 
make "victory" possible and is unwilling either to provide the massive troop 
strength it would take to secure that country. or to bring our troops home.

So, our men and women are locked in a gruesome shooting gallery by U.S. 
politicians who apparently intend to keep them there for the year and a half 
or so left in Bush's term. Hundreds of them will die, thousands will be 
horribly maimed, and all will suffer trauma. They are not victims of the 
"enemy," but of America's own failed "leaders." It is immoral to do this to 
them, but there they are.

Meanwhile, Bush keeps saying that his war is essential to America's own 
security and is the "challenge of our generation." But he is obviously lying 
to us. If it was true, all Americans would be enlisted in the cause. If it 
was true, we'd have half a million troops in Iraq, or more.

But that would mean that the families of the elites would have to be called 
to duty - and this is politically unacceptable to Washington. As one 
Bushite, Sen. Jeff Sessions, put it: "We have a limited number of men and 
women we can send to Iraq." In other words, don't call on his family or 
friends to make any sacrifices for this "essential" war.

They are killing Americans in a war they know they can't win - and a war 
their families won't join. This is a dishonorable sham, and only We the 
People can stop it. Protest more. Protest louder.




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July 2, 2007

Out of the blue, so it seemed, the Washington Post recently published an 
op-ed piece titled, "Iraq, al-Qaeda and Tenet's Equivocation." It was 
written by someone named Christina Shelton. As the author appeared to go out 
of her way to, in the most amateurish and laborious manner imaginable, 
rehash tired and thoroughly disproved tales of ties between Saddam's Iraq 
and al Qaeda; knowing who this Christina Shelton was, seemed central to 
understanding the true motivation behind the publication.

It should be noted that the contemporary recycling of the Iraq-al Qaeda 
yarn, is not happening by accident. A recent poll found that 41 percent of 
the American people continue to believe that, falsely of course, Saddam was 
somehow tied to the attacks on September 11, 2001. They didn't sanction the 
poll obviously, but the Bush administration does read and watch the news. 
They know there remains a healthy portion of the population that the 
government had intentionally misled and misinformed, who still believes the 
pre-war lies. That is why this past week, shortly after the poll was 
released, Mister Bush scurried off to a friendly public gathering among 
members of the Navy. He wanted to further the administration's latest 
narrative, a fictionalized theme asserting that al Qaeda is currently 
overrunning Iraq. It is a claim that not even Mister Bush's own senior 
intelligence analysts support.

But, as all things with this administration and America's corporate-owned 
media, what is factual is not vital. The only thing that matters is what can 
be exploited for political gain. And, if telling blatant lies is the only 
way to achieve support for Mister Bush's agenda, then telling lies it must 
be.

Shelton's piece seemed out of place because the title, "Iraq, al-Qaeda and 
Tenet's Equivocation," hinted at an attempt to discredit the former CIA 
commander and certain allegations, perhaps, found in his book. That was odd 
because Tenet's book has been out for months and nobody has claimed it to 
have been of any great consequence to the administration's political 
fortunes. What was even more out of sorts, was the person doing the 
vilification - an assumed low-level lackey for whom Google held no 
particular favor.

However, it wasn't long into the article before Christina Shelton's hidden 
agenda came roaring through loud and clear. Her intent had nothing to do 
with Tenet's book or any assertions he had made in it. Tenet's book was just 
the excuse used by Shelton and the Washington Post's Opinion Page Editor, to 
assist the administration's latest effort at rekindling the Saddam-Iraq-al 
Qaeda passions still nurtured by that vitally important 41 percent of the 
American public.

Highlighting hollow examples extracted from Tenet's book, Shelton didn't 
miss an opportunity to transparently reprocess nearly every discredited 
pre-war Iraq-al Qaeda falsehood.

"... I summarized a body of mostly CIA reporting (dating from 1990 to 2002), 
>from a variety of sources," Shelton writes, "that reflected a pattern of 
Iraqi support for al-Qaeda, including high-level contacts between Iraqi 
senior officials and al-Qaeda, training in bomb making, Iraqi offers of safe 
haven, and a nonaggression agreement to cooperate on unspecified areas."

In reality, however, in February 2002, Shelton had been combing through old 
Iraq-related intelligence when, "she stumbled upon a small paragraph in a 
CIA report from the mid-1990s that stopped her." That small paragraph, the 
source having been discredited and/or the allegation never corroborated 
through independent sources, was never intended to be considered as evidence 
of anything. That original discovery of disgraced intelligence, however, led 
Shelton to dig even deeper into the CIA's tombs of discarded reporting.

Eventually Shelton was able to piecemeal together still more skeletal scraps 
of unconfirmed and unsubstantiated reports. Shelton had used selective 
snippets to prove a theory that she and the administration had conjured out 
of thin air. Shelton and her boss, to be revealed shortly, knew full well 
that the small fragments of intelligence that they had taped, glued, and 
stapled together had previously been vetted and discounted by the regional 
intelligence analysts. But it didn't matter. What mattered was that someone, 
somewhere and at sometime had made just enough wild accusations that, put 
into the right pair of unscrupulous hands and twisted just so in the shadowy 
light, could be used to justify the administration's pre-war narrative.

Uncovering the identity of Christina Shelton, wasn't easy. The Post's recent 
piece said only that she was an "intelligence analyst at the Defense 
Intelligence Agency from 1984 to 2006." Which, perhaps, may be the 
understatement of the century.

In 2004 this is how the Post's own reporter, Dana Priest, in a story that 
investigated the administration's possible nefarious use of "intelligence," 
explained Christina Shelton's discovery of the debunked intelligence and, 
too, revealed her identity:

"Her boss, Douglas J. Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy and the 
point man on Iraq, was so impressed that he set up a briefing for Defense 
Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who was so impressed he asked her to brief CIA 
Director George J. Tenet in August 2002. By summer's end, Shelton had also 
briefed deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley and Vice 
President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby."

It seems rather odd that the Washington Post omitted the fact that this 
Christina Shelton was not only a member of the infamous Bush 
administration's pre-war Office of Special Plans (a small cadre of 
Bush-Cheney loyalists whose work has been entirely discredited as false, if 
not criminal), but, too, the paper failed to identify her as having played a 
key role in building the false case for going to war with Iraq.

Shelton's piece attributes a letter as having been sent by Tenet, to the 
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Shelton claims Tenet wrote, "We 
have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida 
going back a decade." Of the letter's content, she was correct. But, Tenet 
never sent it. CIA Deputy Director John E. McLaughlin sent the letter. Why? 
Obviously, as we've seen time and again in this administration (when the 
principals don't want to be associated with the administration's lies) Tenet 
didn't believe there was a link between Iraq and al Qaeda as Shelton's 
discarded intelligence asserted, and he refused to write the letter. 
Instead, a lackey with ambitions within the administration, in this case 
McLaughlin, gleefully misled the Senate Select Committee.

Few news agencies outside of FOX News played a larger role in misleading the 
American public into the war on Iraq, than had the Washington Post. Time and 
again, the paper played the administration's willing Pravda-like 
war-supporting megaphone. It appears now, with the administration seizing 
upon the knowledge that 41 percent of the American people remain ignorant to 
basic Iraq-al Qaeda facts, Mister Bush and his people are deeply involved in 
trying to exploit that ignorance to their political advantage. What's more, 
the Washington Post, beginning with Shelton's out-of-place piece, is once 
again leading the misinformation charge for the White House.

For more on Dana Priest's 2004 report regarding Christina Shelton, click 
THIS LINK

To read Shelton's latest Iraq-al Qaeda bunk click THIS LINK 




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On Jul 3, 1:23 am, Jason P  wrote:
> Ariadne is really Fatima Abdul Shaheed of Bahrain. She is posing on
> these newsgroups as a convert-Jew, but she's really an Arab woman.
> Don't trust her! She likes to be called Fat-Fat Fatima, which is her
> pet-name given to her by her immediate family. Her goal is to bring
> down Israel and Judaism with her ugly and course demeanor.

ISRAEL IS DIGGING ITS OWN GRAVE, IT IS NOT DEEP ENOUGH YET!



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On Jul 3, 12:49 am, "Abe Foxman"  wrote:
> "Economics"  wrote in message
>
> news:mKudnZSryvWkKBTbnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > "Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer"  wrote
> > in
> > messagenews:9d697a9d4831d58025011528be2356cd@remailer.cyberiade.it...
> >> Read about it here:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/olkpy
>
> > Well, this certainly isn't what Israel's King David and King Solomon
> > taught
> > people to do. Nor is it what Jesus taught.
>
> > I suppose this is one reason why people say Israel isn't really living up
> > to
> > what it's supposed to be.
>
> > And for those Jews in Israel who like the brothels and couldn't imagine
> > what
> > it would be like without them. Let me tell you this; I guarantee if Israel
> > closed all the brothels, those Jews who used to frequent them would
> > instead
> > find themselves spending their money on better things, like a good Jewish
> > girlfriend or wife.
>
> Hmm so they should spend their money on one whore, a gf or wife? Why aren't
> these Jewish women doing their duty and fucking the men for free? Then they
> wouldn't be going to whorehouses. Men want variety and don't want to be
> stuck shagging one female.
>
>  Plus, they would sleep better at night, feel better and
>
> > more creative, and would have much better humor, laughter and enjoyment.
>
> > King Solomon was a pretty powerful dude. When he said that Israelites
> > wouldn't get the land unless they obeyed his laws, he meant it.
>
> > Sex always feels much better when it's within a devoted one-on-one
> > relationship. Not when it's bought and sold.
>
> You're a female, right? Cos all females are whores and want to be paid in
> one way or another.

SAYS ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT YOU!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:26 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: THE CRAZY JEW JOE LIEBERMAN
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Crazy Joe Lieberman should be tried as a traitor to to United States
and hung like a dog!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:26 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: MUSLIMS WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE SUBJUGATION, AND COLONIALISM
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 GET THE FUCK OUT OF PALESTINE ZIONAZI SCUM, AND LEAVE ARABS ALONE TO
MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: ZIONAZIS AND DUBYA ARE KILLING AMERICAN TROOPS
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On Jul 3, 11:27 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually Alex you should listen to this they are talking crap.

YOU TALK CRAP ALL THE TIME BERNARD AND YOU ARE STILL ALLOWED TO LIVE!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: ZIONAZI LIEBERMAN WANTS YOU TO DIE FOR ISRAEL!
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 ZIONAZI ;IEBERMAN SHOULD PICK UP A GUN AND TRY DYING HIMSELF, HE WILL
DO US ALL A FAVOR!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: BUSH AND HIS JEWS BUILD GUANTANAMOS IN EGYPT AND PAKISTAN
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 THERE IS NO LIMIT TO JUST HOW LOW A FUCKING JEW CAN GET!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Sojourners for Hamas
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On Jul 3, 3:55 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> [But first , American Thinker on Obama and his ties with the sojourners..]http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/obama_and_the_sojourners_...
>
> Living under the rule of Hamas in Gaza cannot be a joy for anybody.  But
> Gaza's 2,000 Christians are especially apprehensive under the Islamist
> regime.

It is no fun living under the ZioNazi dictatorship, either Just ask
the Armenian bishop who was belted up by the Jews, Had his cassok
torn, and a 500 year old fresco on his church was chiselled out by the
fucking Jews! That is not counting the taunts and insults by the
Jewish adults and youngsters as they pass him on the street!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: A Jewish US soldier from South Florida who was killed by Iraqi
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On Jul 3, 5:45 pm, Otis Willie PIO The American War Library
 wrote:
> A Jewish US soldier from South Florida who was killed by Iraqihttp://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/102821.html
>
On reading this crap, I got an idea. I think that the whole US
military should be composed out of the Jewish fools like this idiot.
That way America can be cleansed of them. I don't mind if we give them
all a medal or two.



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: RAPIST,MURDERER,FACES EXECUTION FOR RAPE AND KILLING 14 YEAR OLD IRAQI GIRL
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Federal prosecutors filed notice Tuesday that they
will seek the death penalty if former soldier Steven D. Green is
convicted of killing an Iraqi family and raping a 14-year-old girl.
ADVERTISEMENT

The notice, filed in U.S. District Court, cites 12 alleged offenses
related to the slayings, including that the deaths were premeditated,
involved sexual abuse and were committed with a firearm.

Green, a former 101st Airborne Division soldier, was indicted Nov. 1
in the rape and murder of the girl and the slayings of three others in
her family in March 2006.

"The defense is obviously disappointed that Attorney General (Alberto)
Gonzales is seeking to execute a former soldier," Green's public
defender, Patrick Bouldin, said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

The attorney general has to approve all federal death penalty cases.

Bouldin declined to provide further comment.

Green was charged in a federal indictment with conspiracy to commit
murder, conspiracy to commit aggravated sexual abuse, murder,
aggravated sexual abuse, aggravated child sexual abuse, obstruction of
justice and four counts of use of a firearm in a crime of violence.

Green, a 22-year-old former private first class from Midland, Texas,
served 11 months with the 101st Airborne Division, which is based at
Fort Campbell on the Tennessee state line. He received an honorable
discharge and left the Army in May 2006. He was discharged because of
an "anti-social personality disorder," according to military officials
and court documents.

He is being tried in civilian court in Paducah, Ky., because he was
discharged before he was charged. No trial date has been set.

Green's father, John Green, declined to comment Tuesday.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Marisa Ford also declined to comment on the
filing.

Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said he could not confirm
whether any other soldier has been tried as a civilian for crimes
committed while serving in Iraq.

Green was arrested in June 2006 in North Carolina as he traveled after
attending the funeral of a soldier who was kidnapped and killed in
Iraq, investigators said. Since then, he has been held in Kentucky
without bond.

Three soldiers already have been convicted in military court for their
roles in the attack in Mahmoudiya, a village about 20 miles south of
Baghdad. A court-martial for a fourth soldier is scheduled July 30.

But Tuesday's notice means Green could face the harshest punishment
among the five men charged.

Two soldiers avoided the death penalty by making plea agreements with
military prosecutors for lesser sentences ranging from 90 to 100
years. A third soldier was sentenced to five years in prison but will
not serve more than 27 months. Each of the soldiers agreed to help
prosecutors prepare a case against Green.

The rape of the Iraqi girl and the slayings of her and three family
members were among the worst in a series of alleged attacks on
civilians and other abuses by military personnel in Iraq.

Investigators said the soldiers set fire to the girl's body to destroy
evidence.

Soldiers have testified in military courts-martial and investigation
hearings that the 13-month tour for Green's unit, the 1st Battalion,
502nd Infantry Regiment, was bloody and grueling.

Dozens were killed in the unit's yearlong deployment and half of the
battalion, including Green, sought help for combat stress.

An Associated Press investigation in January found that an Army
psychiatry team diagnosed Green as a threat to Iraqi civilians four
months before the rape and murders.

According to military documents, Green was treated with drugs to
regulate his mood before returning to duty in a violent stretch of
desert in the southern Baghdad suburbs known as the "Triangle of
Death."

___



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 2, 7:07 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On  2-Jul-2007, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
>
>  wrote:
> > Is it true this isn't a crime in HEBE-land unless the victim is jewish?
> > Gentiles can be slaughtered like cattle?
>
> No, just lying sleazebags who use the word "HEBE."

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU, OTHER THAN A HEBE?



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On Jul 2, 7:12 pm, HHW  wrote:
> On Jul 2, 6:07 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > On  2-Jul-2007, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
>
> >  wrote:
> > > Is it true this isn't a crime in HEBE-land unless the victim is jewish?
> > > Gentiles can be slaughtered like cattle?
>
> > No, just lying sleazebags who use the word "HEBE."
> > Those are lower than cattle and are mandated to be slaughtered.
> > HTH.
> > (The anonymous coward bit was a nice touch - thanks for
> > continuing to prove everything I have ever said about bigots)
>
> > Susan
>
> Fine, Susan, but what have you to say about Israel's slave trade? You
> know it exists. I don't think that it's enough to say that
> prostitution is legal there. The slave trade is a much more serious
> matter.

Slavery is also legal in Israel. Several Russian girls slaves managed
to escape their  captivity and were promptly returned to their owners
by the cops, whose help they sought!



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On Jul 2, 8:05 pm, "Binyamin Cramer" 
wrote:
>  wrote in messagenews:Cyfii.1328$Np2.1023@trnddc07...
>
> > On  2-Jul-2007, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> >  wrote:
>
> >> Is it true this isn't a crime in HEBE-land unless the victim is jewish?
> >> Gentiles can be slaughtered like cattle?
>
> > No, just lying sleazebags who use the word "HEBE."
> > Those are lower than cattle and are mandated to be slaughtered.
> > HTH.
> > (The anonymous coward bit was a nice touch - thanks for
> > continuing to prove everything I have ever said about bigots)
>
> Thank you for displaying your bigotry for the world to see, you thick Irish
> cunt.
Thick she is and stupid to boot!




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
> news:1183495549.522921.174030@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 3:55 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> [But first , American Thinker on Obama and his ties with the 
>>> sojourners..]http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/obama_and_the_sojourners_...
>>>
>>> Living under the rule of Hamas in Gaza cannot be a joy for anybody.  But
>>> Gaza's 2,000 Christians are especially apprehensive under the Islamist
>>> regime.
>>
>> It is no fun living under the ZioNazi dictatorship,
>
> Then why do we see 1.5 million Israeli Arabs?

ARSEHOLE! THERE WERE MORE THAN 1.5 MILLION ARABS IN PALESTINE BEFORE THE 
RUSSIANS FORCED THEM OUT 




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"TUKA"  wrote in message 
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> On 2007-07-03, DoD  wrote:
>> [But first , American Thinker on Obama and his ties with the 
>> sojourners..]
>> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/obama_and_the_sojourners_for_h.html
>>
>> Living under the rule of Hamas in Gaza cannot be a joy for anybody.  But
>> Gaza's 2,000 Christians are especially apprehensive under the Islamist
>> regime.
>> Meanwhile, a columnist for Jim Wallis's "Religious Left" journal,
>> Sojourners, excoriates the U.S. and the opponents of Hamas as ultimately
>> responsible for ascendant Islamic radicalism in Gaza.
>
> Of course. Arabs and Muslims are never responsible for their own
> failings. It is axiomatic.
>
> -- 
> One conclusion should be obvious: If nations such as Indonesia,
> Bangladesh and Thailand can not make themselves inoffensive to Militant
> Islamism there is no way that the United States could perform such a
> feat, no matter which policies we changed or how much our public
> diplomacy improved. -- Clifford May

Be what may, leave muslims alone. You invade their country, kill their 
people, steal their oil, they will kill you! 




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By Chris Hedges

Israel, without the United States, would probably not exist.  The country 
came perilously close to extinction during the October 1973 war when Egypt, 
trained and backed by the Soviet Union, crossed the Suez and the Syrians 
poured in over the Golan Heights.  Huge American military transport planes 
came to the rescue.  They began landing every half-hour to refit the 
battered Israeli army, which had lost most of its heavy armor.  By the time 
the war was over, the United States had given Israel $2.2 billion in 
emergency military aid.

The intervention, which enraged the Arab world, triggered the OPEC oil 
embargo that for a time wreaked havoc on Western economies.  This was 
perhaps the most dramatic example of the sustained life-support system the 
United States has provided to the Jewish state.

Israel was born at midnight May 14, 1948.  The U.S. recognized the new state 
11 minutes later.  The two countries have been locked in a deadly embrace 
ever since.

Washington, at the beginning of the relationship, was able to be a 
moderating influence.  An incensed President Eisenhower demanded and got 
Israel's withdrawal after the Israelis occupied Gaza in 1956.  During the 
Six-Day War in 1967, Israeli warplanes bombed the USS Liberty.  The ship, 
flying the U.S. flag and stationed 15 miles off the Israeli coast, was 
intercepting tactical and strategic communications from both sides. The 
Israeli strikes killed 34 U.S. sailors and wounded 171. The deliberate 
attack froze, for a while, Washington's enthusiasm for Israel.  But ruptures 
like this one proved to be only bumps, soon smoothed out by an increasingly 
sophisticated and well-financed Israel lobby that set out to merge Israeli 
and American foreign policy in the Middle East.

Israel has reaped tremendous rewards from this alliance.  It has been given 
more than $140 billion in U.S. direct economic and military assistance.  It 
receives about $3 billion in direct assistance annually, roughly one-fifth 
of the U.S. foreign aid budget.  Although most American foreign aid packages 
stipulate that related military purchases have to be made in the United 
States, Israel is allowed to use about 25 percent of the money to subsidize 
its own growing and profitable defense industry.  It is exempt, unlike other 
nations, from accounting for how it spends the aid money.  And funds are 
routinely siphoned off to build new Jewish settlements, bolster the Israeli 
occupation in the Palestinian territories and construct the security 
barrier, which costs an estimated $1 million a mile.

The barrier weaves its way through the West Bank, creating isolated pockets 
of impoverished Palestinians in ringed ghettos.  By the time the barrier is 
finished it will probably in effect seize up to 40 percent of Palestinian 
land.  This is the largest land grab by Israel since the 1967 war.  And 
although the United States officially opposes settlement expansion and the 
barrier, it also funds them.

The U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons 
systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in 
its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 
fighter jets.  The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it 
denies to its NATO allies.  And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear 
nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of 
protest as the Israelis built the region's first nuclear weapons program.

U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has 
become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy.  The United 
States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of 
Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security 
Council members.  It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it 
claims to support.  These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the 
occupied territories.

There is now volcanic anger and revulsion by Arabs at this blatant 
favoritism.  Few in the Middle East see any distinction between Israeli and 
American policies, nor should they.  And when the Islamic radicals speak of 
U.S. support of Israel as a prime reason for their hatred of the United 
States, we should listen.  The consequences of this one-sided relationship 
are being played out in the disastrous war in Iraq, growing tension with 
Iran, and the humanitarian and political crisis in Gaza.  It is being played 
out in Lebanon, where Hezbollah is gearing up for another war with Israel, 
one most Middle East analysts say is inevitable.  The U.S. foreign policy in 
the Middle East is unraveling.  And it is doing so because of this special 
relationship. The eruption of a regional conflict would usher in a nightmare 
of catastrophic proportions.

There were many in the American foreign policy establishment and State 
Department who saw this situation coming. The decision to throw our lot in 
with Israel in the Middle East was not initially a popular one with an array 
of foreign policy experts, including President Harry Truman's secretary of 
state, Gen. George Marshall.  They warned there would be a backlash.  They 
knew the cost the United States would pay in the oil-rich region for this 
decision, which they feared would be one of the greatest strategic blunders 
of the postwar era.  And they were right.  The decision has jeopardized 
American and Israeli security and created the kindling for a regional 
conflagration.

The alliance, which makes no sense in geopolitical terms, does makes sense 
when seen through the lens of domestic politics.  The Israel lobby has 
become a potent force in the American political system.  No major candidate, 
Democrat or Republican, dares to challenge it.  The lobby successfully 
purged the State Department of Arab experts who challenged the notion that 
Israeli and American interests were identical.  Backers of Israel have doled 
out hundreds of millions of dollars to support U.S. political candidates 
deemed favorable to Israel.  They have brutally punished those who strayed, 
including the first President Bush, who they said was not vigorous enough in 
his defense of Israeli interests.  This was a lesson the next Bush White 
House did not forget.  George W. Bush did not want to be a one-term 
president like his father.

Israel advocated removing Saddam Hussein from power and currently advocates 
striking Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.  Direct Israeli 
involvement in American military operations in the Middle East is 
impossible.  It would reignite a war between Arab states and Israel.  The 
United States, which during the Cold War avoided direct military involvement 
in the region, now does the direct bidding of Israel while Israel watches 
>from the sidelines.  During the 1991 Gulf War, Israel was a spectator, just 
as it is in the war with Iraq.

President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds 
Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become.  Imagine how 
this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians 
viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation.

"In Israel," Bush said recently, "terrorists have taken innocent human life 
for years in suicide attacks.  The difference is that Israel is a 
functioning democracy and it's not prevented from carrying out its 
responsibilities.  And that's a good indicator of success that we're looking 
for in Iraq."

Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world.  They remain 
blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation.  U.S. 
 "spin" paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans 
are assured, will always be on our side.

Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down 
apartheid state.  In the "gated community" market it has begun to sell 
systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism. 
Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products-well over a 
billion dollars more than it received in American military aid.  Israel has 
grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world.  Most of this growth 
has come in the so-called homeland security sector.




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"torresdD"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3420036,00.html
> My grandpa's money
>
> Only in Israel,
> next of kin still uniformed
> about Holocaust victims'
> bank accounts
>
> Shoshanna Chen Published:
> 07.03.07, 07:26 / Israel Opinion
>
> Israel is the only country in
> the world that has still not
> restituted a penny of the
> "blood money" it robbed from
> Jews who perished during the
> Holocaust,
>
> and it is continuing to rob their heirs.
>
> Moreover, to date,
> the State of Israel has been
> "unable" to issue a detailed,
> accurate and transparent account
> as to which assets are involved,
> what their value was at the time
> of acquisition or deposit,
> and what their estimated
> value is tod
>
ZioNazis are waiting until all of the kikes are dead so they can adopt your 
money for good 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
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>>
>> So now you admit that the holocaust did occur!<
>
> When did I deny it?

He does that all the time. But he denies a well documented fact that the 
Jewish Commisars slaughtered up to 100 million Russians 




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By Chris Hedges

Israel, without the United States, would probably not exist.  The country 
came perilously close to extinction during the October 1973 war when Egypt, 
trained and backed by the Soviet Union, crossed the Suez and the Syrians 
poured in over the Golan Heights.  Huge American military transport planes 
came to the rescue.  They began landing every half-hour to refit the 
battered Israeli army, which had lost most of its heavy armor.  By the time 
the war was over, the United States had given Israel $2.2 billion in 
emergency military aid.

The intervention, which enraged the Arab world, triggered the OPEC oil 
embargo that for a time wreaked havoc on Western economies.  This was 
perhaps the most dramatic example of the sustained life-support system the 
United States has provided to the Jewish state.

Israel was born at midnight May 14, 1948.  The U.S. recognized the new state 
11 minutes later.  The two countries have been locked in a deadly embrace 
ever since.

Washington, at the beginning of the relationship, was able to be a 
moderating influence.  An incensed President Eisenhower demanded and got 
Israel's withdrawal after the Israelis occupied Gaza in 1956.  During the 
Six-Day War in 1967, Israeli warplanes bombed the USS Liberty.  The ship, 
flying the U.S. flag and stationed 15 miles off the Israeli coast, was 
intercepting tactical and strategic communications from both sides. The 
Israeli strikes killed 34 U.S. sailors and wounded 171. The deliberate 
attack froze, for a while, Washington's enthusiasm for Israel.  But ruptures 
like this one proved to be only bumps, soon smoothed out by an increasingly 
sophisticated and well-financed Israel lobby that set out to merge Israeli 
and American foreign policy in the Middle East.

Israel has reaped tremendous rewards from this alliance.  It has been given 
more than $140 billion in U.S. direct economic and military assistance.  It 
receives about $3 billion in direct assistance annually, roughly one-fifth 
of the U.S. foreign aid budget.  Although most American foreign aid packages 
stipulate that related military purchases have to be made in the United 
States, Israel is allowed to use about 25 percent of the money to subsidize 
its own growing and profitable defense industry.  It is exempt, unlike other 
nations, from accounting for how it spends the aid money.  And funds are 
routinely siphoned off to build new Jewish settlements, bolster the Israeli 
occupation in the Palestinian territories and construct the security 
barrier, which costs an estimated $1 million a mile.

The barrier weaves its way through the West Bank, creating isolated pockets 
of impoverished Palestinians in ringed ghettos.  By the time the barrier is 
finished it will probably in effect seize up to 40 percent of Palestinian 
land.  This is the largest land grab by Israel since the 1967 war.  And 
although the United States officially opposes settlement expansion and the 
barrier, it also funds them.

The U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons 
systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in 
its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 
fighter jets.  The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it 
denies to its NATO allies.  And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear 
nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of 
protest as the Israelis built the region's first nuclear weapons program.

U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has 
become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy.  The United 
States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of 
Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security 
Council members.  It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it 
claims to support.  These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the 
occupied territories.

There is now volcanic anger and revulsion by Arabs at this blatant 
favoritism.  Few in the Middle East see any distinction between Israeli and 
American policies, nor should they.  And when the Islamic radicals speak of 
U.S. support of Israel as a prime reason for their hatred of the United 
States, we should listen.  The consequences of this one-sided relationship 
are being played out in the disastrous war in Iraq, growing tension with 
Iran, and the humanitarian and political crisis in Gaza.  It is being played 
out in Lebanon, where Hezbollah is gearing up for another war with Israel, 
one most Middle East analysts say is inevitable.  The U.S. foreign policy in 
the Middle East is unraveling.  And it is doing so because of this special 
relationship. The eruption of a regional conflict would usher in a nightmare 
of catastrophic proportions.

There were many in the American foreign policy establishment and State 
Department who saw this situation coming. The decision to throw our lot in 
with Israel in the Middle East was not initially a popular one with an array 
of foreign policy experts, including President Harry Truman's secretary of 
state, Gen. George Marshall.  They warned there would be a backlash.  They 
knew the cost the United States would pay in the oil-rich region for this 
decision, which they feared would be one of the greatest strategic blunders 
of the postwar era.  And they were right.  The decision has jeopardized 
American and Israeli security and created the kindling for a regional 
conflagration.

The alliance, which makes no sense in geopolitical terms, does makes sense 
when seen through the lens of domestic politics.  The Israel lobby has 
become a potent force in the American political system.  No major candidate, 
Democrat or Republican, dares to challenge it.  The lobby successfully 
purged the State Department of Arab experts who challenged the notion that 
Israeli and American interests were identical.  Backers of Israel have doled 
out hundreds of millions of dollars to support U.S. political candidates 
deemed favorable to Israel.  They have brutally punished those who strayed, 
including the first President Bush, who they said was not vigorous enough in 
his defense of Israeli interests.  This was a lesson the next Bush White 
House did not forget.  George W. Bush did not want to be a one-term 
president like his father.

Israel advocated removing Saddam Hussein from power and currently advocates 
striking Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.  Direct Israeli 
involvement in American military operations in the Middle East is 
impossible.  It would reignite a war between Arab states and Israel.  The 
United States, which during the Cold War avoided direct military involvement 
in the region, now does the direct bidding of Israel while Israel watches 
>from the sidelines.  During the 1991 Gulf War, Israel was a spectator, just 
as it is in the war with Iraq.

President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds 
Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become.  Imagine how 
this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians 
viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation.

"In Israel," Bush said recently, "terrorists have taken innocent human life 
for years in suicide attacks.  The difference is that Israel is a 
functioning democracy and it's not prevented from carrying out its 
responsibilities.  And that's a good indicator of success that we're looking 
for in Iraq."

Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world.  They remain 
blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation.  U.S. 
 "spin" paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans 
are assured, will always be on our side.

Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down 
apartheid state.  In the "gated community" market it has begun to sell 
systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism. 
Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products-well over a 
billion dollars more than it received in American military aid.  Israel has 
grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world.  Most of this growth 
has come in the so-called homeland security sector.




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Israel -
The 'Functioning Democracy'
By Mary Sparrowdancer
©.2007 ­ All Rights Reserved
7-2-7

        For those of us who have been wondering what, exactly, "Israel" is, 
and why the US has been funneling billions of our tax dollars into Israel in 
support of this increasingly belligerent, unaccountable, terrorist state, 
president Bush recently clarified matters in a speech given at the Naval War 
College, in Newport, R.I.. There, he held Israel up as a shining example of 
a "functioning democracy" that other countries in the Middle East should 
emulate.

        It is not clear what Bush's definition of a "democracy" is, but if 
it describes a sort of racially biased, elitist state in which only certain, 
select, members of the state have all rights, and the rest of the 
inhabitants are considered subhuman with no rights whatsoever, then the 
word, "democracy," is currently undergoing a change in meaning. The above is 
a fairly good description of Nazi, Germany, and strangely enough, it now 
also describes Israel. It appears that the "democracy" word these days is 
popularly used to suggest any cause that one wants to portray as "noble" and 
"just" rather than actually describing the carnage that is reality. The 
word, "democracy" is now a sales tool. Anyone with a progressive agenda will 
want to use this word these days, but unfortunately, the word now more 
correctly describes Communism, which is a word that is no longer popular.

        In Palestine, the Palestinians are not recognized as citizens by 
Israel and they have no individual rights at all. They have no right even to 
their own personal property, and the loss of such rights is the telling 
marker of a communist takeover. Israel has been taking Palestinian rights 
and lands since 1948, when Zionists announced its new state within 
Palestine. In order to better understand the horrifying situation that the 
Palestinians have been enduring for over sixty years, one must first 
understand the meanings of various other sales tool words such as 
"settlements," and "occupation." Like "democracy," they mean something other 
than what they imply.

        Picture, if you will, a map of Israel. For those of us who are 
unsure of what the "State of Israel" actually looks like, find instead a 
1948 map of Palestine. Then, back up twenty paces and fire a shotgun loaded 
with buckshot at the map. The result will be a big hole in the heart of 
Palestine, surrounded by hundreds of tiny, scattered buckshot holes 
throughout the rest of the map. All of these large and small holes punched 
throughout the map of Palestine make up the map of the "State of Israel." 
The hundreds of small holes scattered throughout the map are Israeli 
"settlements." In order for Israeli "settlements" to be built, the 
Palestinians are first violently driven off their ancestral lands by the 
Israeli army. Then, the Palestinian homes are bulldozed, mortared by tanks, 
bombed and leveled. When the land is cleared, the "Israeli settlements" are 
then constructed for the new, incoming immigrants who have just received 
Israeli citizenship in the "promised land" as well as other cash incentives. 
The Palestinians are, of course, left homeless after each of these 
"settlements" is created on their land, but this is of no concern to the 
"functioning democracy" in the Middle East known as Israel.

        According to the documentary film, Peace, Propaganda and the 
Promised Land, "Amnesty International has regularly documented serious human 
rights violations by Israeli military forces in the 'occupied' territories, 
including unlawful killings, torture and ill-treatment of prisoners, wanton 
destruction of homes with residents still inside, the blocking of 
ambulances, denial of humanitarian assistance, and the use of Palestinian 
civilians as human shields." (1)

        It should be kept in mind that while the Israeli army and its 
soldiers are among the best equipped in the world thanks largely to US 
funding, the Palestinians they are targeting are, for the most part, unarmed 
and unequipped civilians, including the women and children who are being 
terrorized. These civilians have been running from Israeli military tanks, 
>from "settlers," and from full blown terrorism for at least sixty years. The 
Palestinian youths are armed primarily with stones and slingshots. The 
unarmed civilians have been used as human shields in order to protect 
military vehicles making illegal excursions through Palestinian 
neighborhoods. Yet, in November of 2006, former US Ambassador to the U.N., 
John Bolton, referred to the Israeli military attacks against civilians as 
"legal defense operations." He wanted to know why the U.N. was not 
investigating and focusing on the "terrorists." (2)

        It is now time for Americans to investigate and focus upon the 
"terrorists." The terrorists who have claimed the most victims, and who have 
been videotaped in action in the Middle East, are Zionist Israel, and her 
partner, the Zionist United States. The Zionists are Marxist atheists, and 
Zionism is not Judaism. The Zionists began the takeover of the United 
States, Palestine, briefly Russia, and other nations in the early 1900s. 
Their goal is a communist-run global "World Order" that is governed by a few 
empowered and unaccountable elite.

        Israel has proven to be so completely unaccountable, that Amnesty 
International has labeled the US-funded acts of Zionist Israel as "war 
crimes." In addition, because of the hundreds of resolutions filed in the 
U.N. condemning Israel for its human rights violations, in June of 2006, the 
new Human Rights Council voted to "make a review of alleged human rights 
abuses by Israel a permanent feature of every council session." The human 
rights abuses will never stop until the US stops funding them. We will never 
stop funding them until we get the Zionists out of our government. (3)

        Despite the atrocities, despite the thousands of innocent civilians 
including children who have been gunned down by the Israeli military while 
sent out to buy bread, who have been gunned down while playing, or who have 
been gunned down while sitting at their desks in school or walking home from 
school, the US government continues to pour US taxpayers' money into Israel, 
and it is doing this despite major, growing protests by American citizens. 
This amounts to taxation without representation, because Congress and the 
White House are now primarily representing Zionism instead of the American 
people. In supporting Israel, they are supporting terrorism, which is in 
direct violation of US law.

        According to The Washington Report, the total cost to US taxpayers 
for aid to Zionist Israel from 1949 through 1997 was "$134,791,507,200." The 
total cost to US taxpayers per Israeli citizen is $23,240, but these figures 
are ten years old and would be substantially higher in 2007. (4)

        According to the Palestinian group, MIFTAH, "Three quarters of the 
military aid to Israel goes for importing US-made military equipment such as 
F-16 and Apache attack helicopters.
        This creates a job market for US citizens and transforms Palestine 
into a test ground for US made weaponry, used daily against Palestinians." 
Medical sources have also stated that depleted uranium is being used against 
Palestinians. (5) (6)

        While all of these billions of dollars in milk and honey aid to the 
elite Zionists continue pouring out of the US, the US has yet to even 
adequately clean up after the two-year-old devastation caused by Katrina. 
American citizens are still suffering and are still neglected and their 
neighborhoods remain in tattered ruins resembling Palestinian neighborhoods 
after Zionist "occupation." Many Americans remain living in FEMA trailers 
described by volunteers as "tin cans." And yet, our money flows outward to 
another land in order to aid and abet further human suffering.

        The public education system in the US remains abysmal and classrooms 
overcrowded. Teachers remain underpaid. The healthcare in the US is among 
the most inadequate and unaffordable found anywhere. The US nutrition is 
among the poorest in the world. Our own government was either complicit with 
the events of 9/11, or at best was criminally negligent in failing to guard 
the US from what it tells us was a handful of slow-moving men armed with 
box-cutters. Despite all of our obvious needs to clean up things here at 
home, the US government curiously and arrogantly pours our money into a 
foreign country that refuses to abide by international law, that refuses to 
acknowledge human rights, and that has never for a moment acted as a 
"functioning democracy," unless a functioning democracy is a heartless, 
godless, communist regime.

        The world has now been wrongly and deliberately convinced by the 
Zionist media that criticism of Zionism is equivalent to "anti-Semitism." 
This is a lie. As I pointed out in my last paper, it is the Palestinians who 
are the Semites we should be protecting from Israel. The Washington Report 
states that as many as 50 percent of recent immigrants to Israel's "promised 
land" are not even Jewish. We need to wake up and realize that this is not 
about religion, it is not about race, and it is not about Judaism. Our 
Jewish neighbors and Jewish friends are safe among us, and have been so for 
many years. What is happening right in front of us under the guise of 
"democracy" and "Judaism" is the fulfillment of a Marxist atheist dream to 
rule the world. It is a dream that began one hundred years ago.
        It is about to be fulfilled unless we come together and care enough 
about true freedom, true civil liberties, true human rights, and one another 
to put an end to it. Listen to the Torah rabbis who have been silenced by 
Zionism: Please note that these rabbis are now carrying upon themselves as 
they demonstrate in the streets, the flags of Lebanon and Palestine. They 
are demonstrating on behalf of the rights of the people in those countries. 
Listen to the rabbis who are marching for peace. "authentic Jews have been 
against the State of Israel since day one. It has no right to exist, and it 
is against the Jewish faith." Give Palestine back to the Palestinians, and 
get the Zionists out of the Middle East.
        Get the Zionists out of American government. Listen to the rabbis. 
(7) (8) (9)

        * * * * * * * * *
        Mary Sparrowdancer is the author of The Love Song, which is a true 
story about the return of the Messiah. www.sparrowdancer.com
        sparrowdancer1@earthlink.net

        * * * * * * * * *

        Cited References

        1. Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land, (2004), 7/1/2007
        http://www.mediaed.org/videos/MediaRaceAndRepresentation/ 
PeacePropaganda

        2. Bolton at the U.N. (2006). 7/2/2007
        http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/11/un.israel/


        3. U.N. Human Rights Council and Israel. June, 2006.
        7/1/2007 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? 
cid=1150885889961&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


        4. US Financial aid to Israel, 1949 through 1997. (1997)
        7/2/2007
        http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm

        5. US funding war crimes. (2002). 7/2/2007
        http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=753&CategoryId=4

        6. Depleted uranium. "Bush commends Sharon's war, describing him as 
'a man of peace'" (2002) 7/2/2007
        http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020419/2002041911.html

        7. "Non-Jewish Immigrants forcing Israel to Choose Between being a 
'Jewish' State and a Democracy."
        http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/042000/0004066.html

        8. Mary Sparrowdancer, Palestine: Anti-Semitism in Action. (2007). 
7/2/2007
        http://www.rense.com/general77/pales.htm

        9. Jewish Rabbis against Zionism. 7/2/2007
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSlsiW9hT8




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Iraq draws up plans for privatisation gold rush

By Helen Power, Sunday Telegraph

Last Updated: 2:08am BST 03/07/2007

Quds electricity plant: Iraq's reconstruction will be a building bonanza


The Iraqi government has begun preparing the groundwork for what could be 
one of the biggest privatisations of state-owned assets.

The Sunday Telegraph has learned that officials from the government have 
recently held talks with banking and legal advisers in London. City sources 
said Iraq's minister for industry, Fawzi Hariri, was looking to appoint 
advisers to draw up a memorandum of understanding to sell off the country's 
non-oil assets, ranging from petrochemical plants to construction companies, 
hotels and airlines, as early as this month.

The privatisation proposals could also include a massive extension of 
foreign participation in the oil industry. Sources close to the foreign 
ministry said the government believed it had struck a deal on the 
long-awaited hydrocarbon law which could see Parliament vote the legislation 
through in two weeks' time. If the legislation is passed, arrangements to 
allow foreign oil majors to enter into production-sharing agreements with 
Iraq's national oil company could then make it into the memorandum.

An executive at one of the smaller Western oil companies operating in Iraq 
said: "As you would expect, most of Iraq's non-oil assets are outdated and 
in pretty bad shape. But this would give people who wanted to operate in 
Iraq an opportunity to get in." The source added that Iraq's nationalised 
cement industry could be particularly attractive because the country's 
reconstruction will require a building bonanza.

However, sources cautioned that the move could simply be a sop to the 
American administration. The US Congress will consider a report on progress 
in Iraq in September and a privatisation programme could be presented as 
some kind of progress in lieu of any real improvement in the security 
situation. City sources said any instruction would be complicated by 
factionalism within Iraq's fragmented government. Hariri, while not 
ethnically Kurdish, is a member of the Kurdish democratic party.

Experts said investor appetite for Iraqi assets was relatively limited and 
was likely to remain so until the country's security improved considerably. 
But if attempts to privatise Iraq's non-oil assets went hand in hand with 
moves to open up the country's oil sector to foreign investment, they would 
have much greater appeal. The long-awaited passage of the hydrocarbon law is 
seen as critical to attracting foreign investment.

Smaller, maverick oil companies have already invested in Kurdish-controlled 
areas of Iraq, but the bulk of the oil is in the south and no oil major 
would consider investing without a reliable legal regime and a significant 
improvement in security.




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US naval call gives India sinking feeling
By Praful Bidwai

NEW DELHI - The port call of a US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to 
Chennai in southern India has provoked strong protests from a spectrum of 
political parties, trade unions, peace groups and environmentalists.

It has also exposed a yawning gap between India's stance of non-alignment 
and foreign-policy independence and its practice of cultivating a close 
military and political relationship with the US.

The carrier USS Nimitz arrived on Monday for a five-day "friendly"



call to Chennai at the invitation of the Indian government.

Indian leftist and centrist parties such as the All India Anna Dravida 
Munnettra Kazhagam, the main opposition in Tamil Nadu, held demonstrations 
in the state capital Chennai on Monday. So did transport and port workers' 
unions and civil-society organizations, including the Coalition for Nuclear 
Disarmament and Peace (CNDP), a broad-based umbrella organization of more 
than 250 groups.

The carrier arrived in India's territorial waters from the Persian Gulf 
region, where it had been dispatched two months ago as part of a 50-ship 
armada.

"It is entirely possible that the aircraft carrier carries nuclear weapons 
on board," said Deepak Nayyar, a distinguished economist and, until 
recently, vice chancellor of Delhi University. "In that case, it would 
flagrantly violate India's well-established, often-reiterated policy of 
disallowing foreign nuclear weapons into its territorial waters."

Nayyar is one of 11 public intellectuals who last week signed a statement 
protesting the ship's visit, including celebrated writers Arundhati Roy and 
Mahashweta Devi, former civil servants S P Shukla and Sudeep Banerjee, and 
social scientists Romila Thapar, Prabhat Patnaik and Amit Bhaduri.

The statement points to the contradiction between the Indian government's 
claim that the Nimitz is "not known to be carrying nuclear weapons" and the 
United States' well-reiterated policy neither to deny nor confirm the 
presence of nuclear weapons on its warships under any circumstances. The 
statement expresses dismay at the fact that New Delhi "gratuitously granted 
this certificate to the US, when Washington itself does not do so", and said 
this speaks poorly of India's foreign and security policies.

If it indeed carries nuclear weapons, the Nimitz' port call marks a reversal 
of India's past policy opposing the transit of nuclear weapons in its 
neighborhood. In the 1970s and 1980s, India campaigned against the United 
States' naval base at Diego Garcia in the Chagos Archipelago and wanted the 
entire Indian Ocean to be declared a "zone of peace".

New Delhi has rationalized the carrier's visit by saying that at least 10 
other nuclear-powered foreign warships have called at Indian ports in recent 
years. These include five other US naval vessels, four French ships and one 
British ship.

"These precedents cannot justify the present visit," argued Anuradha Chenoy, 
a professor of international relations at Jawaharlal Nehru University. "It 
is deplorable that India allowed these port calls in the first place without 
sharing the reasons for the underlying policy shift with Parliament or the 
public. Besides, the Nimitz is visiting India just when public opinion in 
West Asia is highly polarized because of the occupation of Iraq and the US's 
threatening gestures towards Iran."

The carrier's visit has special symbolic significance because of its role in 
the Iran crisis. The US has been mounting pressure on India to drop a 
proposed natural-gas pipeline from Iran to India through Pakistan.

There is a good deal of lobbying on Capitol Hill in Washington to get the US 
administration to drop the nuclear-cooperation deal with India, which was 
initiated two years ago and is under negotiation. Last week, The Hill 
newsletter reported that several senators and congress members want the 
nuclear deal, which would make a special one-time exception for India in the 
global non-proliferation regime, to be made conditional on a cancellation of 
the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline project.

"The visit of the Nimitz is clearly no routine or innocent affair," said 
Chenoy. "India is aware of and has always been sensitive to the importance 
of symbolic gestures, including subtle and not-so-subtle forms of US gunboat 
diplomacy."

During the Pakistani civil war in 1971, the US dispatched another aircraft 
carrier, the Enterprise, to the Bay of Bengal. This was widely seen as 
signaling Washington's opposition to the continuation of the war after the 
Pakistan Army surrendered to Indian troops in Dhaka and East Pakistan became 
independent as Bangladesh.

"The political message of the current visit of the Nimitz is unmistakable. 
It is to tighten the India-US strategic embrace at a time when the US is 
engaged in its disastrous occupation of Iraq, which has destabilized West 
Asia," said N D Jayaprakash, a CNDP activist.

"India-US relations have turned a full circle," said Jayaprakash. "Now India 
is willing to indicate its uncritical support for the US military and to 
enter into an unequal strategic relationship with Washington. This is a 
shameful departure from India's independent strategic and foreign-policy 
orientation. It also means that the India-US strategic partnership is being 
strengthened at the expense of third countries."

Jayaprakash is appalled that some of the Nimitz' 5,000-plus personnel will 
engage in a public relations exercise by doing community service in Chennai, 
including visits to people affected by the tsunami of December 2004.

"This is sanctimonious posturing," he said. "After committing horrendous 
crimes in Iraq, US military personnel are trying to pretend that they have a 
humanitarian mission as well." (In fact, such community-service work has 
long been a routine part of every US naval port call to virtually any 
foreign country and predates the Iraq war.)

Trade unionists and environmentalists have also objected to the carrier's 
visit on the ground that it is liable to present another hazard, in the form 
of radiation from its two nuclear reactors. The Indian government said it 
will periodically monitor radiation levels; in any case, the Nimitz is 
anchored 2 nautical miles outside Chennai port proper.

However, the protesters are not satisfied given that India's own nuclear 
program has a poor safety record and its navy's ability to monitor radiation 
hazards is not independently established.

"What is galling is that Indian officials are bending over backwards to 
speak on behalf of the US and allay the public's apprehensions," said 
Jayaprakash. "That is completely out of order."

In recent years, the US and India have held high-level military exercises, 
including some that involved US nuclear submarines. But the Nimitz visit 
even lacks such a strategic rationale.

"The docking of USS Nimitz is not a neutral or normal affair, but a strong 
political-strategic statement," said Chenoy.

The statement runs counter to the promise of the ruling United Progressive 
Alliance to correct the strongly pro-US bias in India's policy under the 
previous government led by the right-wing pro-West Bharatiya Janata Party, 
and to fight for a balanced, multipolar world free of nuclear weapons.

IPS correspondent Praful Bidwai is a committed anti-nuclear activist and the 
author of several books on peace and disarmament. 


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> Israel -
> The 'Functioning Democracy'
> By Mary Sparrowdancer
> ©.2007 ­ All Rights Reserved
> 7-2-7
>
>        For those of us who have been wondering what, exactly, "Israel" is, 
> and why the US has been funneling billions of our tax dollars into Israel 
> in support of this increasingly belligerent, unaccountable, terrorist 
> state, president Bush recently clarified matters in a speech given at the 
> Naval War College, in Newport, R.I.. There, he held Israel up as a shining 
> example of a "functioning democracy" that other countries in the Middle 
> East should emulate.
>
>        It is not clear what Bush's definition of a "democracy" is, but if 
> it describes a sort of racially biased, elitist state in which only 
> certain, select, members of the state have all rights, and the rest of the 
> inhabitants are considered subhuman with no rights whatsoever, then the 
> word, "democracy," is currently undergoing a change in meaning. The above 
> is a fairly good description of Nazi, Germany, and strangely enough, it 
> now also describes Israel. It appears that the "democracy" word these days 
> is popularly used to suggest any cause that one wants to portray as 
> "noble" and "just" rather than actually describing the carnage that is 
> reality. The word, "democracy" is now a sales tool. Anyone with a 
> progressive agenda will want to use this word these days, but 
> unfortunately, the word now more correctly describes Communism, which is a 
> word that is no longer popular.
>
>        In Palestine, the Palestinians are not recognized as citizens by 
> Israel and they have no individual rights at all. They have no right even 
> to their own personal property, and the loss of such rights is the telling 
> marker of a communist takeover. Israel has been taking Palestinian rights 
> and lands since 1948, when Zionists announced its new state within 
> Palestine. In order to better understand the horrifying situation that the 
> Palestinians have been enduring for over sixty years, one must first 
> understand the meanings of various other sales tool words such as 
> "settlements," and "occupation." Like "democracy," they mean something 
> other than what they imply.
>
>        Picture, if you will, a map of Israel. For those of us who are 
> unsure of what the "State of Israel" actually looks like, find instead a 
> 1948 map of Palestine. Then, back up twenty paces and fire a shotgun 
> loaded with buckshot at the map. The result will be a big hole in the 
> heart of Palestine, surrounded by hundreds of tiny, scattered buckshot 
> holes throughout the rest of the map. All of these large and small holes 
> punched throughout the map of Palestine make up the map of the "State of 
> Israel." The hundreds of small holes scattered throughout the map are 
> Israeli "settlements." In order for Israeli "settlements" to be built, the 
> Palestinians are first violently driven off their ancestral lands by the 
> Israeli army. Then, the Palestinian homes are bulldozed, mortared by 
> tanks, bombed and leveled. When the land is cleared, the "Israeli 
> settlements" are then constructed for the new, incoming immigrants who 
> have just received Israeli citizenship in the "promised land" as well as 
> other cash incentives. The Palestinians are, of course, left homeless 
> after each of these "settlements" is created on their land, but this is of 
> no concern to the "functioning democracy" in the Middle East known as 
> Israel.
>
>        According to the documentary film, Peace, Propaganda and the 
> Promised Land, "Amnesty International has regularly documented serious 
> human rights violations by Israeli military forces in the 'occupied' 
> territories, including unlawful killings, torture and ill-treatment of 
> prisoners, wanton destruction of homes with residents still inside, the 
> blocking of ambulances, denial of humanitarian assistance, and the use of 
> Palestinian civilians as human shields." (1)
>
>        It should be kept in mind that while the Israeli army and its 
> soldiers are among the best equipped in the world thanks largely to US 
> funding, the Palestinians they are targeting are, for the most part, 
> unarmed and unequipped civilians, including the women and children who are 
> being terrorized. These civilians have been running from Israeli military 
> tanks, from "settlers," and from full blown terrorism for at least sixty 
> years. The Palestinian youths are armed primarily with stones and 
> slingshots. The unarmed civilians have been used as human shields in order 
> to protect military vehicles making illegal excursions through Palestinian 
> neighborhoods. Yet, in November of 2006, former US Ambassador to the U.N., 
> John Bolton, referred to the Israeli military attacks against civilians as 
> "legal defense operations." He wanted to know why the U.N. was not 
> investigating and focusing on the "terrorists." (2)
>
>        It is now time for Americans to investigate and focus upon the 
> "terrorists." The terrorists who have claimed the most victims, and who 
> have been videotaped in action in the Middle East, are Zionist Israel, and 
> her partner, the Zionist United States. The Zionists are Marxist atheists, 
> and Zionism is not Judaism. The Zionists began the takeover of the United 
> States, Palestine, briefly Russia, and other nations in the early 1900s. 
> Their goal is a communist-run global "World Order" that is governed by a 
> few empowered and unaccountable elite.
>
>        Israel has proven to be so completely unaccountable, that Amnesty 
> International has labeled the US-funded acts of Zionist Israel as "war 
> crimes." In addition, because of the hundreds of resolutions filed in the 
> U.N. condemning Israel for its human rights violations, in June of 2006, 
> the new Human Rights Council voted to "make a review of alleged human 
> rights abuses by Israel a permanent feature of every council session." The 
> human rights abuses will never stop until the US stops funding them. We 
> will never stop funding them until we get the Zionists out of our 
> government. (3)
>
>        Despite the atrocities, despite the thousands of innocent civilians 
> including children who have been gunned down by the Israeli military while 
> sent out to buy bread, who have been gunned down while playing, or who 
> have been gunned down while sitting at their desks in school or walking 
> home from school, the US government continues to pour US taxpayers' money 
> into Israel, and it is doing this despite major, growing protests by 
> American citizens. This amounts to taxation without representation, 
> because Congress and the White House are now primarily representing 
> Zionism instead of the American people. In supporting Israel, they are 
> supporting terrorism, which is in direct violation of US law.
>
>        According to The Washington Report, the total cost to US taxpayers 
> for aid to Zionist Israel from 1949 through 1997 was "$134,791,507,200." 
> The total cost to US taxpayers per Israeli citizen is $23,240, but these 
> figures are ten years old and would be substantially higher in 2007. (4)
>
>        According to the Palestinian group, MIFTAH, "Three quarters of the 
> military aid to Israel goes for importing US-made military equipment such 
> as F-16 and Apache attack helicopters.
>        This creates a job market for US citizens and transforms Palestine 
> into a test ground for US made weaponry, used daily against Palestinians." 
> Medical sources have also stated that depleted uranium is being used 
> against Palestinians. (5) (6)
>
>        While all of these billions of dollars in milk and honey aid to the 
> elite Zionists continue pouring out of the US, the US has yet to even 
> adequately clean up after the two-year-old devastation caused by Katrina. 
> American citizens are still suffering and are still neglected and their 
> neighborhoods remain in tattered ruins resembling Palestinian 
> neighborhoods after Zionist "occupation." Many Americans remain living in 
> FEMA trailers described by volunteers as "tin cans." And yet, our money 
> flows outward to another land in order to aid and abet further human 
> suffering.
>
>        The public education system in the US remains abysmal and 
> classrooms overcrowded. Teachers remain underpaid. The healthcare in the 
> US is among the most inadequate and unaffordable found anywhere. The US 
> nutrition is among the poorest in the world. Our own government was either 
> complicit with the events of 9/11, or at best was criminally negligent in 
> failing to guard the US from what it tells us was a handful of slow-moving 
> men armed with box-cutters. Despite all of our obvious needs to clean up 
> things here at home, the US government curiously and arrogantly pours our 
> money into a foreign country that refuses to abide by international law, 
> that refuses to acknowledge human rights, and that has never for a moment 
> acted as a "functioning democracy," unless a functioning democracy is a 
> heartless, godless, communist regime.
>
>        The world has now been wrongly and deliberately convinced by the 
> Zionist media that criticism of Zionism is equivalent to "anti-Semitism." 
> This is a lie. As I pointed out in my last paper, it is the Palestinians 
> who are the Semites we should be protecting from Israel. The Washington 
> Report states that as many as 50 percent of recent immigrants to Israel's 
> "promised land" are not even Jewish. We need to wake up and realize that 
> this is not about religion, it is not about race, and it is not about 
> Judaism. Our Jewish neighbors and Jewish friends are safe among us, and 
> have been so for many years. What is happening right in front of us under 
> the guise of "democracy" and "Judaism" is the fulfillment of a Marxist 
> atheist dream to rule the world. It is a dream that began one hundred 
> years ago.
>        It is about to be fulfilled unless we come together and care enough 
> about true freedom, true civil liberties, true human rights, and one 
> another to put an end to it. Listen to the Torah rabbis who have been 
> silenced by Zionism: Please note that these rabbis are now carrying upon 
> themselves as they demonstrate in the streets, the flags of Lebanon and 
> Palestine. They are demonstrating on behalf of the rights of the people in 
> those countries. Listen to the rabbis who are marching for peace. 
> "authentic Jews have been against the State of Israel since day one. It 
> has no right to exist, and it is against the Jewish faith." Give Palestine 
> back to the Palestinians, and get the Zionists out of the Middle East.
>        Get the Zionists out of American government. Listen to the rabbis. 
> (7) (8) (9)
>
>        * * * * * * * * *
>        Mary Sparrowdancer is the author of The Love Song, which is a true 
> story about the return of the Messiah. www.sparrowdancer.com
>        sparrowdancer1@earthlink.net
>
>        * * * * * * * * *
>
>        Cited References
>
>        1. Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land, (2004), 7/1/2007
>        http://www.mediaed.org/videos/MediaRaceAndRepresentation/ 
> PeacePropaganda
>
>        2. Bolton at the U.N. (2006). 7/2/2007
>        http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/11/un.israel/
>
>
>        3. U.N. Human Rights Council and Israel. June, 2006.
>        7/1/2007 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? 
> cid=1150885889961&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
>
>
>        4. US Financial aid to Israel, 1949 through 1997. (1997)
>        7/2/2007
>        http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm
>
>        5. US funding war crimes. (2002). 7/2/2007
>        http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=753&CategoryId=4
>
>        6. Depleted uranium. "Bush commends Sharon's war, describing him as 
> 'a man of peace'" (2002) 7/2/2007
>        http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020419/2002041911.html
>
>        7. "Non-Jewish Immigrants forcing Israel to Choose Between being a 
> 'Jewish' State and a Democracy."
>        http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/042000/0004066.html
>
>        8. Mary Sparrowdancer, Palestine: Anti-Semitism in Action. (2007). 
> 7/2/2007
>        http://www.rense.com/general77/pales.htm
>
>        9. Jewish Rabbis against Zionism. 7/2/2007
>        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSlsiW9hT8
>
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:j6Cii.21427$19.14462@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>>>> On Jul 3, 3:55 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>> [But first , American Thinker on Obama and his ties with the 
>>>>> sojourners..]http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/obama_and_the_sojourners_...
>>>>>
>>>>> Living under the rule of Hamas in Gaza cannot be a joy for anybody. 
>>>>> But
>>>>> Gaza's 2,000 Christians are especially apprehensive under the Islamist
>>>>> regime.
>>>>
>>>> It is no fun living under the ZioNazi dictatorship,
>>>
>>> Then why do we see 1.5 million Israeli Arabs?
>>
>> ARSEHOLE! THERE WERE MORE THAN 1.5 MILLION ARABS IN PALESTINE BEFORE THE 
>> RUSSIANS FORCED THEM OUT
>
> Liar.
LIAR YOURSELF! EVEN THE FASCIST PM OF ISRAEL ADMITTED AS MUCH. TAKE YOUR 
RUSO-JEWS SHOVED THEM UP YOUR ARSE! 




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(1) MNF-Iraq is reporting the death of a Task Force Lightning soldier from 
what would appear to be a roadside bomb attack in Salah ad Din Province on 
Monday, July 2nd. Two other soldiers were wounded in the blast

(2) MNF-Iraq is reporting the deaths of two Marines in a non-hostile, 
unspecified accident in Al Anbar Province on Sunday, July 1st.

(3) The DoD is announcing a new death, not previously reported by CENTCOM. 
Army Staff Sergeant Robb L. Rolfing, 29, died in Baghdad in a small arms 
fire attack on Saturday, June 30th. He was a member of the 2nd Battalion, 
10th Special Forces Group out of Fort Carson, CO. The DoD release lists his 
home town as Milton, Massachusetts. But a press release posted by the U.S. 
Army Special Operations Command describes him as being from Sioux Falls, 
South Dakota, where his family still lives. He did, however, graduate from 
Vassar College in Poughkeepsie, New York, in 2000. Rolfing enlisted in the 
army in 2003 as an infantryman, deploying to Iraq that very year. In 2004 he 
was selected for training to become a Special Forces Engineer ... and in 
2005 he earned his Green Beret and Special Forces tab. He was currently on 
his second deployment to Iraq. Rolfing is survived by his parents, a brother 
and a sister.

(4) The same British Ministry of Defense release that confirmed the death of 
Captain Sean Dolan, also contained the news that an American soldier was 
wounded in the same mortar attack that killed Dolan. The American was 
airlifted to a medical facility, but later died there of his injuries. We do 
not know his date of death for sure yet, but will include him in the 
database on June 30th for the time being until CENTCOM or the DoD confirms 
the death. 




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 STICK YOUR ZIONAZI CRAP UP YOUR CROATIAN ARSE! 




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      East Jerusalem, July 3, 2007

      On Saturday, 30 June, Taghrid Abed, 30, died while languishing in 
unbearable heat on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing, Gaza's 
only gateway to the outside world. Another Palestinian had earlier died in 
similar circumstances as the world community, enslaved by American Zionism, 
stood powerless to end this disgrace.

      Abed was one of more than 5000 Palestinians stranded at the border 
crossing for two weeks as a result of Israel's refusal to allow them back to 
the Strip.

      Israel, which is shamelessly telling the world that it has ended its 
occupation of Gaza, is still in tight control of the Rafah crossing, 
effectively turning the entire Gaza Strip into the world's largest 
concentration camp.

      The Rafah Crossing Protocol, reached more than two years ago between 
Israel and the obviously incompetent Palestinian Authority (PA), headed by 
Mahmoud Abbas, gave Israel a veto power over operations at the Terminal.

      According to the hapless protocol, the terminal can only be opened in 
the presence of European monitors. However, the Israeli army completely 
controls the monitors' access to the Rafah crossing.

      In other words, the powerless monitors can't reach the Rafah border 
crossing unless they receive a permit from the Israeli army which apparently 
can't resist the temptation of seeing thousands of Palestinians suffering 
and dying in the summer inferno of the Sinai desert.

      Hence, the current nightmare.

      There are many accomplices in this disgrace.

      First and foremost, Israel, with its characteristic Nazi callousness 
is the main culprit because it refuses, without any logical reason, to allow 
these tormented Gazans back to their homes. In truth, sadism is the only 
explanation of what is happening. There is simply no other explanation.

      Besides the conspicuous sadistic aspect of torturing these people, 
Israel is trying as much as possible to utilize the suffering of the 
stranded Gazans to exert pressure on Hamas and show Palestinians that Hamas 
could only bring suffering and pain to them.

      But, in the final analysis, Israel is the Palestinians' solid enemy, 
as King Abdulah of Jordan said recently, and Israel wouldn't hesitate to 
commit the unthinkable in order to make Palestinians suffer. Indeed, 
Israel's consistent behaviors ever since its misbegotten birth nearly sixty 
years ago should leave no doubt as to the Nazi nature of this evil state.

      The second culprit is the western-backed government in Ramallah which 
claims to represent all Palestinians.

      It is shameful, to say the least, to watch Abbas and Fayyad and others 
basking in their false glory and appearing flamboyantly on the screens of 
Zionist-controlled western TV networks, babbling about the virtues of peace, 
while showing utter indifference toward the nightmarish plight of these 
helpless Palestinians.

      In this macabre situation, any Palestinian is prompted to ask Abbas 
and Fayyad and Co.: How many Palestinians have to die at the Rafah border 
crossings before you urge your "friends" in Washington and Europe to 
pressure Israel to stop the enduring crime against the stranded Gazans? Do 
they have to give loyalty to the emergency government and to Muhammed Dahlan 
in order to make Israel's heart and America's heart and Abbas's heart 
relent?

      More to the point, if your friends and allies in Washington and 
Brussels can't help you in your time of need, then what is the good of 
having friends as such?

      In fact, your inaction and silence are more than suspicious. And the 
writing is already on the walls of Ramallah, Nablus and Hebron.

      The third culprit is the European Union which has allowed Israel, this 
venomous and murderous entity, to impose its will on European monitors, 
rendering them an additional tool of repression against a helpless people, 
already tormented by 40 years of a Nazi-like military occupation.

      It is really disgraceful that Europe behaves in such a manner.

      Finally, the Egyptian government could do much to alleviate the 
suffering of the stranded Palestinians. Egypt could go as far as opening 
another border crossing with the Gaza Strip. It is unacceptable and shameful 
that 80 million Egyptians allow themselves to be enslaved by American 
Zionism in such a humiliating manner.

      After all, no dignified state with any semblance of sovereignty should 
allow other states to confiscate its free will. Egypt, in short, should 
review and rethink its accommodative policies toward Israel, an entity that 
never stops trying to undermine Egyptian national security by any means 
imaginable.

      Undoubtedly, the nightmare at the Rafah border crossing is a sad 
reflection of the moral degeneration now engulfing the Arab world as much as 
it is an expression of the criminal-minded discourse and moral callousness 
permeating through the aisles of western governments.

      Needless to say, these governments have apparently chosen to 
accommodate Israeli Nazism rather than uphold the human ideals they 
mendaciously claim to espouse.

      Perhaps, European peoples should rise up against their evil-minded 
governments. Otherwise, they, too, will be consumed by the evil.








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      East Jerusalem, July 3, 2007

      On Saturday, 30 June, Taghrid Abed, 30, died while languishing in 
unbearable heat on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing, Gaza's 
only gateway to the outside world. Another Palestinian had earlier died in 
similar circumstances as the world community, enslaved by American Zionism, 
stood powerless to end this disgrace.

      Abed was one of more than 5000 Palestinians stranded at the border 
crossing for two weeks as a result of Israel's refusal to allow them back to 
the Strip.

      Israel, which is shamelessly telling the world that it has ended its 
occupation of Gaza, is still in tight control of the Rafah crossing, 
effectively turning the entire Gaza Strip into the world's largest 
concentration camp.

      The Rafah Crossing Protocol, reached more than two years ago between 
Israel and the obviously incompetent Palestinian Authority (PA), headed by 
Mahmoud Abbas, gave Israel a veto power over operations at the Terminal.

      According to the hapless protocol, the terminal can only be opened in 
the presence of European monitors. However, the Israeli army completely 
controls the monitors' access to the Rafah crossing.

      In other words, the powerless monitors can't reach the Rafah border 
crossing unless they receive a permit from the Israeli army which apparently 
can't resist the temptation of seeing thousands of Palestinians suffering 
and dying in the summer inferno of the Sinai desert.

      Hence, the current nightmare.

      There are many accomplices in this disgrace.

      First and foremost, Israel, with its characteristic Nazi callousness 
is the main culprit because it refuses, without any logical reason, to allow 
these tormented Gazans back to their homes. In truth, sadism is the only 
explanation of what is happening. There is simply no other explanation.

      Besides the conspicuous sadistic aspect of torturing these people, 
Israel is trying as much as possible to utilize the suffering of the 
stranded Gazans to exert pressure on Hamas and show Palestinians that Hamas 
could only bring suffering and pain to them.

      But, in the final analysis, Israel is the Palestinians' solid enemy, 
as King Abdulah of Jordan said recently, and Israel wouldn't hesitate to 
commit the unthinkable in order to make Palestinians suffer. Indeed, 
Israel's consistent behaviors ever since its misbegotten birth nearly sixty 
years ago should leave no doubt as to the Nazi nature of this evil state.

      The second culprit is the western-backed government in Ramallah which 
claims to represent all Palestinians.

      It is shameful, to say the least, to watch Abbas and Fayyad and others 
basking in their false glory and appearing flamboyantly on the screens of 
Zionist-controlled western TV networks, babbling about the virtues of peace, 
while showing utter indifference toward the nightmarish plight of these 
helpless Palestinians.

      In this macabre situation, any Palestinian is prompted to ask Abbas 
and Fayyad and Co.: How many Palestinians have to die at the Rafah border 
crossings before you urge your "friends" in Washington and Europe to 
pressure Israel to stop the enduring crime against the stranded Gazans? Do 
they have to give loyalty to the emergency government and to Muhammed Dahlan 
in order to make Israel's heart and America's heart and Abbas's heart 
relent?

      More to the point, if your friends and allies in Washington and 
Brussels can't help you in your time of need, then what is the good of 
having friends as such?

      In fact, your inaction and silence are more than suspicious. And the 
writing is already on the walls of Ramallah, Nablus and Hebron.

      The third culprit is the European Union which has allowed Israel, this 
venomous and murderous entity, to impose its will on European monitors, 
rendering them an additional tool of repression against a helpless people, 
already tormented by 40 years of a Nazi-like military occupation.

      It is really disgraceful that Europe behaves in such a manner.

      Finally, the Egyptian government could do much to alleviate the 
suffering of the stranded Palestinians. Egypt could go as far as opening 
another border crossing with the Gaza Strip. It is unacceptable and shameful 
that 80 million Egyptians allow themselves to be enslaved by American 
Zionism in such a humiliating manner.

      After all, no dignified state with any semblance of sovereignty should 
allow other states to confiscate its free will. Egypt, in short, should 
review and rethink its accommodative policies toward Israel, an entity that 
never stops trying to undermine Egyptian national security by any means 
imaginable.

      Undoubtedly, the nightmare at the Rafah border crossing is a sad 
reflection of the moral degeneration now engulfing the Arab world as much as 
it is an expression of the criminal-minded discourse and moral callousness 
permeating through the aisles of western governments.

      Needless to say, these governments have apparently chosen to 
accommodate Israeli Nazism rather than uphold the human ideals they 
mendaciously claim to espouse.

      Perhaps, European peoples should rise up against their evil-minded 
governments. Otherwise, they, too, will be consumed by the evil.








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      East Jerusalem, July 3, 2007

      On Saturday, 30 June, Taghrid Abed, 30, died while languishing in 
unbearable heat on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing, Gaza's 
only gateway to the outside world. Another Palestinian had earlier died in 
similar circumstances as the world community, enslaved by American Zionism, 
stood powerless to end this disgrace.

      Abed was one of more than 5000 Palestinians stranded at the border 
crossing for two weeks as a result of Israel's refusal to allow them back to 
the Strip.

      Israel, which is shamelessly telling the world that it has ended its 
occupation of Gaza, is still in tight control of the Rafah crossing, 
effectively turning the entire Gaza Strip into the world's largest 
concentration camp.

      The Rafah Crossing Protocol, reached more than two years ago between 
Israel and the obviously incompetent Palestinian Authority (PA), headed by 
Mahmoud Abbas, gave Israel a veto power over operations at the Terminal.

      According to the hapless protocol, the terminal can only be opened in 
the presence of European monitors. However, the Israeli army completely 
controls the monitors' access to the Rafah crossing.

      In other words, the powerless monitors can't reach the Rafah border 
crossing unless they receive a permit from the Israeli army which apparently 
can't resist the temptation of seeing thousands of Palestinians suffering 
and dying in the summer inferno of the Sinai desert.

      Hence, the current nightmare.

      There are many accomplices in this disgrace.

      First and foremost, Israel, with its characteristic Nazi callousness 
is the main culprit because it refuses, without any logical reason, to allow 
these tormented Gazans back to their homes. In truth, sadism is the only 
explanation of what is happening. There is simply no other explanation.

      Besides the conspicuous sadistic aspect of torturing these people, 
Israel is trying as much as possible to utilize the suffering of the 
stranded Gazans to exert pressure on Hamas and show Palestinians that Hamas 
could only bring suffering and pain to them.

      But, in the final analysis, Israel is the Palestinians' solid enemy, 
as King Abdulah of Jordan said recently, and Israel wouldn't hesitate to 
commit the unthinkable in order to make Palestinians suffer. Indeed, 
Israel's consistent behaviors ever since its misbegotten birth nearly sixty 
years ago should leave no doubt as to the Nazi nature of this evil state.

      The second culprit is the western-backed government in Ramallah which 
claims to represent all Palestinians.

      It is shameful, to say the least, to watch Abbas and Fayyad and others 
basking in their false glory and appearing flamboyantly on the screens of 
Zionist-controlled western TV networks, babbling about the virtues of peace, 
while showing utter indifference toward the nightmarish plight of these 
helpless Palestinians.

      In this macabre situation, any Palestinian is prompted to ask Abbas 
and Fayyad and Co.: How many Palestinians have to die at the Rafah border 
crossings before you urge your "friends" in Washington and Europe to 
pressure Israel to stop the enduring crime against the stranded Gazans? Do 
they have to give loyalty to the emergency government and to Muhammed Dahlan 
in order to make Israel's heart and America's heart and Abbas's heart 
relent?

      More to the point, if your friends and allies in Washington and 
Brussels can't help you in your time of need, then what is the good of 
having friends as such?

      In fact, your inaction and silence are more than suspicious. And the 
writing is already on the walls of Ramallah, Nablus and Hebron.

      The third culprit is the European Union which has allowed Israel, this 
venomous and murderous entity, to impose its will on European monitors, 
rendering them an additional tool of repression against a helpless people, 
already tormented by 40 years of a Nazi-like military occupation.

      It is really disgraceful that Europe behaves in such a manner.

      Finally, the Egyptian government could do much to alleviate the 
suffering of the stranded Palestinians. Egypt could go as far as opening 
another border crossing with the Gaza Strip. It is unacceptable and shameful 
that 80 million Egyptians allow themselves to be enslaved by American 
Zionism in such a humiliating manner.

      After all, no dignified state with any semblance of sovereignty should 
allow other states to confiscate its free will. Egypt, in short, should 
review and rethink its accommodative policies toward Israel, an entity that 
never stops trying to undermine Egyptian national security by any means 
imaginable.

      Undoubtedly, the nightmare at the Rafah border crossing is a sad 
reflection of the moral degeneration now engulfing the Arab world as much as 
it is an expression of the criminal-minded discourse and moral callousness 
permeating through the aisles of western governments.

      Needless to say, these governments have apparently chosen to 
accommodate Israeli Nazism rather than uphold the human ideals they 
mendaciously claim to espouse.

      Perhaps, European peoples should rise up against their evil-minded 
governments. Otherwise, they, too, will be consumed by the evil.








From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:37 EDT 2007
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"Minuteman"  wrote in message 
news:5f0e0rF3b8hdhU1@mid.individual.net...
> DoD wrote:
>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
>> news:j6Cii.21427$19.14462@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>>> news:468ab7d0$0$4676$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:1183495549.522921.174030@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jul 3, 3:55 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>>> [But first , American Thinker on Obama and his ties with the 
>>>>>> sojourners..]http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/obama_and_the_sojourners_...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Living under the rule of Hamas in Gaza cannot be a joy for anybody. 
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> Gaza's 2,000 Christians are especially apprehensive under the 
>>>>>> Islamist
>>>>>> regime.
>>>>> It is no fun living under the ZioNazi dictatorship,
>>>> Then why do we see 1.5 million Israeli Arabs?
>>> ARSEHOLE! THERE WERE MORE THAN 1.5 MILLION ARABS IN PALESTINE BEFORE THE 
>>> RUSSIANS FORCED THEM OUT
>>
>> Liar.
>
> Actually in 1947 the British estimated there to be roughly 2.2 million 
> Arabs in that region. Thus the UN estimated that 600,000 Jews moving from 
> Europe would a minor problem. It was never intended for Palestinia
> Romania to be a Homeland for only the Jews.

It was supposed to be "Jewish homeland IN PALESTINE" ! 




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      East Jerusalem, July 3, 2007

      On Saturday, 30 June, Taghrid Abed, 30, died while languishing in 
unbearable heat on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing, Gaza's 
only gateway to the outside world. Another Palestinian had earlier died in 
similar circumstances as the world community, enslaved by American Zionism, 
stood powerless to end this disgrace.

      Abed was one of more than 5000 Palestinians stranded at the border 
crossing for two weeks as a result of Israel's refusal to allow them back to 
the Strip.

      Israel, which is shamelessly telling the world that it has ended its 
occupation of Gaza, is still in tight control of the Rafah crossing, 
effectively turning the entire Gaza Strip into the world's largest 
concentration camp.

      The Rafah Crossing Protocol, reached more than two years ago between 
Israel and the obviously incompetent Palestinian Authority (PA), headed by 
Mahmoud Abbas, gave Israel a veto power over operations at the Terminal.

      According to the hapless protocol, the terminal can only be opened in 
the presence of European monitors. However, the Israeli army completely 
controls the monitors' access to the Rafah crossing.

      In other words, the powerless monitors can't reach the Rafah border 
crossing unless they receive a permit from the Israeli army which apparently 
can't resist the temptation of seeing thousands of Palestinians suffering 
and dying in the summer inferno of the Sinai desert.

      Hence, the current nightmare.

      There are many accomplices in this disgrace.

      First and foremost, Israel, with its characteristic Nazi callousness 
is the main culprit because it refuses, without any logical reason, to allow 
these tormented Gazans back to their homes. In truth, sadism is the only 
explanation of what is happening. There is simply no other explanation.

      Besides the conspicuous sadistic aspect of torturing these people, 
Israel is trying as much as possible to utilize the suffering of the 
stranded Gazans to exert pressure on Hamas and show Palestinians that Hamas 
could only bring suffering and pain to them.

      But, in the final analysis, Israel is the Palestinians' solid enemy, 
as King Abdulah of Jordan said recently, and Israel wouldn't hesitate to 
commit the unthinkable in order to make Palestinians suffer. Indeed, 
Israel's consistent behaviors ever since its misbegotten birth nearly sixty 
years ago should leave no doubt as to the Nazi nature of this evil state.

      The second culprit is the western-backed government in Ramallah which 
claims to represent all Palestinians.

      It is shameful, to say the least, to watch Abbas and Fayyad and others 
basking in their false glory and appearing flamboyantly on the screens of 
Zionist-controlled western TV networks, babbling about the virtues of peace, 
while showing utter indifference toward the nightmarish plight of these 
helpless Palestinians.

      In this macabre situation, any Palestinian is prompted to ask Abbas 
and Fayyad and Co.: How many Palestinians have to die at the Rafah border 
crossings before you urge your "friends" in Washington and Europe to 
pressure Israel to stop the enduring crime against the stranded Gazans? Do 
they have to give loyalty to the emergency government and to Muhammed Dahlan 
in order to make Israel's heart and America's heart and Abbas's heart 
relent?

      More to the point, if your friends and allies in Washington and 
Brussels can't help you in your time of need, then what is the good of 
having friends as such?

      In fact, your inaction and silence are more than suspicious. And the 
writing is already on the walls of Ramallah, Nablus and Hebron.

      The third culprit is the European Union which has allowed Israel, this 
venomous and murderous entity, to impose its will on European monitors, 
rendering them an additional tool of repression against a helpless people, 
already tormented by 40 years of a Nazi-like military occupation.

      It is really disgraceful that Europe behaves in such a manner.

      Finally, the Egyptian government could do much to alleviate the 
suffering of the stranded Palestinians. Egypt could go as far as opening 
another border crossing with the Gaza Strip. It is unacceptable and shameful 
that 80 million Egyptians allow themselves to be enslaved by American 
Zionism in such a humiliating manner.

      After all, no dignified state with any semblance of sovereignty should 
allow other states to confiscate its free will. Egypt, in short, should 
review and rethink its accommodative policies toward Israel, an entity that 
never stops trying to undermine Egyptian national security by any means 
imaginable.

      Undoubtedly, the nightmare at the Rafah border crossing is a sad 
reflection of the moral degeneration now engulfing the Arab world as much as 
it is an expression of the criminal-minded discourse and moral callousness 
permeating through the aisles of western governments.

      Needless to say, these governments have apparently chosen to 
accommodate Israeli Nazism rather than uphold the human ideals they 
mendaciously claim to espouse.

      Perhaps, European peoples should rise up against their evil-minded 
governments. Otherwise, they, too, will be consumed by the evil.








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From: "ElParedon" 
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 New  Testament was only available in Aramaic until mid fourth century, when 
Ptolemy VII decided to get it translated into Greek out of curiosity. There 
are portions of the original on display in the New Library of Alexandria. It 
was Jews who spoke Aramaic and were instrumental in translating New 
Testament on the Island Pharos, (the causeway still stands island is gone in 
an earthqake)

To suggest that New Testament absolves Jews from the crime they comitted 
against Christ is travesty. It is obvious that Judas will never be revered 
by Christians anywhere 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:38 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "HHW"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508021.540781.29230@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 11:54 am, Gentile Mirelle  wrote:
>>
>>> All of the zioNAZIS who post here have an ugly and course demeanor.
>>
>>> Mirelle
>>
>> But not all the Jews. Not even half of them are neo-Zionists.
>
> Dummy.
>
> They are
>> as intimidated by the Lobby as are the rest of Americans.

United States is the colony of Israel, no more no less! 




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"Jason P"  wrote in message 
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> On Jul 3, 9:54 am, Gentile Mirelle  wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 10:23 pm, Jason P  wrote:
>>
>> > Ariadne is really Fatima Abdul Shaheed of Bahrain. She is posing on
>> > these newsgroups as a convert-Jew, but she's really an Arab woman.
>>
>> And you know this how?
>>
>> > Don't trust her! She likes to be called Fat-Fat Fatima,
>> > which is her pet-name given to her by her immediate family.
>>
>> Yah, sure, don't all Arabs like to be called derogatory names?
>> Especially by their immediate family...NOT!
>> "Don't trust her," from such a reliable source already...you!
>>
>> > Her goal is to bring down Israel and Judaism with her ugly and course 
>> > demeanor.
>>
>> All of the zioNAZIS who post here have an ugly and course demeanor.
>> Why should any one find her different?
>> I don't believe you, that Ariadne is not jewish.
>>
>> Mirelle
>
> She's a fake Jew. Her real name is Fatima Abdul Shaheed. She's from
> Bahrain, her uncle is from Abu Dabi; his camel's name is Clyde. I have
> pictures of her swimming in the family swimming pool. She's not a real
> Jew. And she eats pork.

Many Jews eat pork. Adolf Sharon's father came to Palestine and opened the 
first pig farm and pig butchery in Palestine 




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Through Others? Eyes
The central finding of the latest Pew global opinion poll is, alas, drearily 
familiar: President Bush and his misguided war in Iraq have dragged the 
United States far, far down in the world?s eyes.

The only good news ? and it?s not much comfort ? is that most countries give 
higher ratings to the American people than to the country. That means a 
change of government could bring a change of attitude toward America. But 
there is a long way to go, especially to correct the perception that the 
United States promotes its values globally not because they are universally 
good, but because they are good for American interests.

The survey found that majorities or pluralities in 33 of the 47 countries 
polled expressed a dislike of American ideas about democracy, with the 
hostility highest in three allies: Turkey, France and Pakistan. The poll 
also showed a widespread perception that Washington acts without considering 
the interests of other countries. And strong majorities everywhere saw the 
United States as the worst culprit in ?hurting the world?s environment.?

What the Pew poll reflects is a profound disappointment in America?s failure 
to live up to its own ideals and standards.

Ponder this: two-thirds of American respondents said it was good that 
?American ideas and customs were spreading around the world.? Yet two-thirds 
or more of the respondents in 26 other countries, and majorities in another 
10, disagreed, including former pro-American bastions like Britain, Poland, 
Turkey, Kuwait and Indonesia.

Mr. Bush and his team are famous for not listening to anyone but themselves. 
But they need to listen to what the rest of the world is saying when they 
refuse to plan for a rational exit from Iraq or block serious efforts to 
control global warming or insist that the time is still not right for an 
Israeli-Palestinian settlement. It?s not just their reputation that is 
suffering. It?s America?s.




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> New  Testament
>
> is something you have no clue about.
 JUST SO HAPPENS, USTASHA, THAT I KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU WILL EVER 
KNOW! 




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On Jul 3, 11:06 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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> > STICK YOUR ZIONAZI CRAP UP YOUR CROATIAN ARSE!
>
> Shut up Alex... Don't you have an American flag to get ready to burn
> tommorrow?

WAVE AMERICAN FLAG ALL YOU WANT USTASHA, YOU ARE A NAZI PIECE OF
GARBAGE AND WILL ALWAYS BE!



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On Jul 3, 9:04 pm, NefeshBarYochi  wrote:
> On Jul 3, 6:33 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 8:05 pm, "Binyamin Cramer" 
> > wrote:
>
> > >  wrote in messagenews:Cyfii.1328$Np2.1023@trnddc07...
>
> > > > On  2-Jul-2007, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> > > >  wrote:
>
> > > >> Is it true this isn't a crime in HEBE-land unless the victim is jewish?
> > > >> Gentiles can be slaughtered like cattle?
>
> > > > No, just lying sleazebags who use the word "HEBE."
> > > > Those are lower than cattle and are mandated to be slaughtered.
> > > > HTH.
> > > > (The anonymous coward bit was a nice touch - thanks for
> > > > continuing to prove everything I have ever said about bigots)
>
> > > Thank you for displaying your bigotry for the world to see, you thick Irish
> > > cunt.
>
> > Thick she is and stupid to boot!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> All civilations, cultures, nations etc where women can prosper from
> prostitution Hashem will destroy in the end.  Hashem wants the women
> to be subserviant to men in a normal good society.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND MULLAH OMAR? NONE!



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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>> New  Testament
>>>
>>> is something you have no clue about.
>> JUST SO HAPPENS, USTASHA, THAT I KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU WILL 
>> EVER KNOW!
>
> Let me guess. You have a secret N.T. just like you have the secret Talmud?
 GUESS WHAT? YOU MIGHT JUST BE RIGHT! 




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NORMA MUSIH, a young, soft-spoken teacher from Jaffa, does not look like a 
woman who would elicit telephone death threats. But she and the members of 
her group, Zochrot-which means "remembrance," and which was founded in 2002 
by Israeli activists and scholars-have devoted themselves to commemorating, 
understanding and teaching about a subject that in Israel is plainly 
subversive: the Palestinian Nakba.

Musih recently stood in front of a mostly progressive New York Jewish 
audience, brought together by Brooklyn Parents For Peace, and talked about 
Zochrot and the Nakba.

"For us," she explained, "1948 was the independence war, the State of Israel 
being created. A great event for the Jews. For Palestinians, it was the loss 
of everything, the big catastrophe-Nakba! Most Israelis don't want to know 
this word, don't want to hear it."

Zochrot works to get that word through to Israelis, to get it heard, to have 
it understood.

Musih showed her audience slides she brought with her-graphics of 
displacement. One was of the Etzel Museum at Manshiyye, built on the ruins 
of a Palestinian house.

"There is nothing there about the story of the house," she said. "The house 
tells its own story."

In another slide, Adnan Mahmid, from the village of Lajjun, points to where 
his house had stood. Now it's just an empty space.

One of Zochrot's activities is putting up signs in places where there once 
were Arab villages, naming them, commemorating them.

"They are usually removed after 15 minutes," Musih said. "At best, two 
hours."

Less easy to destroy are the oral histories Zochrot gathers from 
Palestinians, stories of places and lives before the Nakba. Zochrot members 
go to Arab villages taking testimonies that then appear in booklets and 
videos.

Zochrot is similar in a way to groups in Poland and Germany dedicated to 
understanding and atoning for the destruction of Jewish life and culture in 
their countries.

"At first, the Nakba was something I couldn't understand," Musih said. "But 
I felt there was something there I must face. I had to explore what that 
was. Now I see that the Nakba belongs to us as well as to the Palestinians. 
It is part of our healing process."

Musih spends much of her time trying to educate Israelis, especially 
children, about the Nakba. In one of her exercises with children, she hands 
each child a card on which are the names of Palestinian villages that were 
destroyed, or from which Arabs were driven out. The children are to put 
their cards in their proper places on the map.

"One Israeli girl put back on the map the village her father had destroyed," 
Musih recalled.

A Palestinian child, whose card had the name of Birrem, his village, told 
its story, as well as restoring it on the map.

On one of Musih's slides, an Israeli girl asks the question: "Who does my 
house belong to?"

Zochrot commemorates Nakba Day by bringing together Jews and Arabs in Tel 
Aviv. The event is publicized with a light touch. Stickers are put up with 
cartoon balloons emerging from people's mouths, saying, "I almost 
forgot-today is Nakba Day!" One of the balloons-Musih laughed, pointing to 
it-emerged from the mouth of a stern-faced Theodore Herzl.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705025.html




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NORMA MUSIH, a young, soft-spoken teacher from Jaffa, does not look like a 
woman who would elicit telephone death threats. But she and the members of 
her group, Zochrot-which means "remembrance," and which was founded in 2002 
by Israeli activists and scholars-have devoted themselves to commemorating, 
understanding and teaching about a subject that in Israel is plainly 
subversive: the Palestinian Nakba.

Musih recently stood in front of a mostly progressive New York Jewish 
audience, brought together by Brooklyn Parents For Peace, and talked about 
Zochrot and the Nakba.

"For us," she explained, "1948 was the independence war, the State of Israel 
being created. A great event for the Jews. For Palestinians, it was the loss 
of everything, the big catastrophe-Nakba! Most Israelis don't want to know 
this word, don't want to hear it."

Zochrot works to get that word through to Israelis, to get it heard, to have 
it understood.

Musih showed her audience slides she brought with her-graphics of 
displacement. One was of the Etzel Museum at Manshiyye, built on the ruins 
of a Palestinian house.

"There is nothing there about the story of the house," she said. "The house 
tells its own story."

In another slide, Adnan Mahmid, from the village of Lajjun, points to where 
his house had stood. Now it's just an empty space.

One of Zochrot's activities is putting up signs in places where there once 
were Arab villages, naming them, commemorating them.

"They are usually removed after 15 minutes," Musih said. "At best, two 
hours."

Less easy to destroy are the oral histories Zochrot gathers from 
Palestinians, stories of places and lives before the Nakba. Zochrot members 
go to Arab villages taking testimonies that then appear in booklets and 
videos.

Zochrot is similar in a way to groups in Poland and Germany dedicated to 
understanding and atoning for the destruction of Jewish life and culture in 
their countries.

"At first, the Nakba was something I couldn't understand," Musih said. "But 
I felt there was something there I must face. I had to explore what that 
was. Now I see that the Nakba belongs to us as well as to the Palestinians. 
It is part of our healing process."

Musih spends much of her time trying to educate Israelis, especially 
children, about the Nakba. In one of her exercises with children, she hands 
each child a card on which are the names of Palestinian villages that were 
destroyed, or from which Arabs were driven out. The children are to put 
their cards in their proper places on the map.

"One Israeli girl put back on the map the village her father had destroyed," 
Musih recalled.

A Palestinian child, whose card had the name of Birrem, his village, told 
its story, as well as restoring it on the map.

On one of Musih's slides, an Israeli girl asks the question: "Who does my 
house belong to?"

Zochrot commemorates Nakba Day by bringing together Jews and Arabs in Tel 
Aviv. The event is publicized with a light touch. Stickers are put up with 
cartoon balloons emerging from people's mouths, saying, "I almost 
forgot-today is Nakba Day!" One of the balloons-Musih laughed, pointing to 
it-emerged from the mouth of a stern-faced Theodore Herzl.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705025.html




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"Möbius Pretzel"  wrote in message 
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> U.S. commander says Iraqi Puppet forces unable to hold territory
>
> BAGHDAD - Iraq's military and security forces remain too weak to
> control territory, despite more than three years of training.
>
> "They're not quite up to the job yet," Brig. Gen. Mick Bednarek,
> deputy operational commander of the U.S. Army's 25th Infantry
> Division, said.
>
> http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2007/me_iraq_06_26.asp
>
> ---
>
> Somebody tell this knucklehead the *REAL* Iraqis are the ones
> controlling the territory.
>
> GO IR!
>
> (no WMDs yet)

I do not get the thinking of these ZioNazi slaves. Did they think that Arabs 
are going to lay down and die for them? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "HHW"  wrote in message 
> news:1183524374.392341.318570@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 10:06 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:kkDii.21461$19.20309@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> > STICK YOUR ZIONAZI CRAP UP YOUR CROATIAN ARSE!
>>>
>>> Shut up Alex... Don't you have an American flag to get ready to burn
>>> tommorrow?
>>
>> How strange, how naive, this identification of Israel's interests with
>> America's.
>
> Sure you want to advance Arab Muslim takeover of America....
>
> You want to kill free speech... stuff like that.

Freedom and justice in United States are long dead, Croat! There is more 
freedom in Borswana than there is in USA

BTW,  no muslim has expressed interest in taking over a bankrupt country 
like United States,most especially since Jews already have it! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Defendario"  wrote in message 
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>
> It is impossible to have a discussion with a bigot like you. Take care.
You are too stupid to have a discussion with anyone, Croat!
> 




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 It clearly reads:"Jewish Homeland in PALESTINE" 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:41 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 4, 1:08 am, HHW  wrote:
> On Jul 3, 10:51 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Through Others? Eyes
> > The central finding of the latest Pew global opinion poll is, alas, drearily
> > familiar: President Bush and his misguided war in Iraq have dragged the
> > United States far, far down in the world?s eyes.
>
> > The only good news ? and it?s not much comfort ? is that most countries give
> > higher ratings to the American people than to the country. That means a
> > change of government could bring a change of attitude toward America. But
> > there is a long way to go, especially to correct the perception that the
> > United States promotes its values globally not because they are universally
> > good, but because they are good for American interests.
>
> > The survey found that majorities or pluralities in 33 of the 47 countries
> > polled expressed a dislike of American ideas about democracy, with the
> > hostility highest in three allies: Turkey, France and Pakistan. The poll
> > also showed a widespread perception that Washington acts without considering
> > the interests of other countries. And strong majorities everywhere saw the
> > United States as the worst culprit in ?hurting the world?s environment.?
>
> > What the Pew poll reflects is a profound disappointment in America?s failure
> > to live up to its own ideals and standards.
>
> > Ponder this: two-thirds of American respondents said it was good that
> > ?American ideas and customs were spreading around the world.? Yet two-thirds
> > or more of the respondents in 26 other countries, and majorities in another
> > 10, disagreed, including former pro-American bastions like Britain, Poland,
> > Turkey, Kuwait and Indonesia.
>
> > Mr. Bush and his team are famous for not listening to anyone but themselves.
> > But they need to listen to what the rest of the world is saying when they
> > refuse to plan for a rational exit from Iraq or block serious efforts to
> > control global warming or insist that the time is still not right for an
> > Israeli-Palestinian settlement. It?s not just their reputation that is
> > suffering. It?s America?s.
>
> Damn it, Alex, I want to evaluate where your posts come from without
> the hassel of doing forensics. What do you gain by clipping the
> citations? We all forget once in a while but you clip them purposely
> almost always. I ask you to stop it.

Sorry that you do not like it, but some of these comments come to me
by e-mailfrom friends and I do not want to get them wasted. I read all
you write, and interests me not a bit where it comes from!



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On Jul 4, 7:20 am, "xolodilnik"  wrote:
> "DoD"  wrote in message
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> >> New  Testament
>
> > is something you have no clue about.
>
> I can't afford a new one.
>
> Do you have any used testaments in good condition?
I don't think you can afford anything except the empty yap




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On Jul 4, 7:59 am, BOLUDOVSKY  wrote:
> "Binyamin Cramer"  dixit:
>
> > Wrong. Not abducted at all. Captured is the truth of it. AND on
> > Lebanon's side of the border.
>
>  Lebanon?
>
>  Oh my, my, these Hadji trolls are useless.
>
>                       BOLU
>
> --
> FREE GILAD SHALIT, EHUD GOLDWASSER AND ELDAD REGEV!http://www.banim.org

FUCK GILAD SHALIT WITH A FLOURESCENT TUBE UP HIS CLACKER, JUST LIKE
BLOODY JEWS ARE DOING IT TO THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIAN PRISONERS IN
THEIR GULAGS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:43 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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Baghdad's Green Zone, the only relatively quiet area in Baghdad, is 
suffering from the chronic fuel crisis gripping the country since the 
2003-U.S. invasion.



Thousands of its employees are now unable to join their offices because they 
have run out of petrol.



There are filling stations in the Green Zone, where the U.S. and Iraqi 
government have their offices, but only U.S. officials, administrators and 
soldiers have the right to use them.



Senior Iraqi officials can fill their tanks there but the stations are off 
bounds to low-ranking Iraqi civil servants.



Lack of fuel in Baghdad has forced many of these civil servants to stay away 
or fail to reach their offices on time.



Security at the checkpoints leading to the zone is tough and queues long. 
The zone includes the complex of palaces where former leader Saddam Hussein 
had his presidential office.



But the complex was on much smaller area and none of the streets close or 
leading to it were closed to the public.



The point is senior Iraqi officials have slapped fines on those civil 
servants failing to attend or being late in arriving.



The civil servants have made one demand, easy to meet anywhere in the world 
but almost impossible to respond to positively in Iraq despite its massive 
oil wealth.



They have asked the government to let them use the filling stations in the 
zone.



http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news07-07-03\kurd1.htm 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:44 EDT 2007
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 wrote in message 
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> On Jul 4, 1:18 am, HHW  wrote:
>> Read this, damn it! Isn't it by now beginning to sound familiar?
>
> Your rehashed spew of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion has become
> overly familiar, and boringly so.
>
> Get an education.
>
> Deborah
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are precisely followed to the letter by 
the ZioNazis of the world! 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Jul 3, 9:55 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> NORMA MUSIH, a young, soft-spoken teacher from Jaffa, does not look like 
>> a
>> woman who would elicit telephone death threats. But she and the members 
>> of
>> her group, Zochrot-which means "remembrance," and which was founded in 
>> 2002
>> by Israeli activists and scholars-have devoted themselves to 
>> commemorating,
>> understanding and teaching about a subject that in Israel is plainly
>> subversive: the Palestinian Nakba.
>>
>> Musih recently stood in front of a mostly progressive New York Jewish
>> audience, brought together by Brooklyn Parents For Peace, and talked 
>> about
>> Zochrot and the Nakba.
>>
>> "For us," she explained, "1948 was the independence war, the State of 
>> Israel
>> being created. A great event for the Jews. For Palestinians, it was the 
>> loss
>> of everything, the big catastrophe-Nakba! Most Israelis don't want to 
>> know
>> this word, don't want to hear it."
>>
>> Zochrot works to get that word through to Israelis, to get it heard, to 
>> have
>> it understood.
>>
>> Musih showed her audience slides she brought with her-graphics of
>> displacement. One was of the Etzel Museum at Manshiyye, built on the 
>> ruins
>> of a Palestinian house.
>>
>> "There is nothing there about the story of the house," she said. "The 
>> house
>> tells its own story."
>>
>> In another slide, Adnan Mahmid, from the village of Lajjun, points to 
>> where
>> his house had stood. Now it's just an empty space.
>>
>> One of Zochrot's activities is putting up signs in places where there 
>> once
>> were Arab villages, naming them, commemorating them.
>>
>> "They are usually removed after 15 minutes," Musih said. "At best, two
>> hours."
>>
>> Less easy to destroy are the oral histories Zochrot gathers from
>> Palestinians, stories of places and lives before the Nakba. Zochrot 
>> members
>> go to Arab villages taking testimonies that then appear in booklets and
>> videos.
>>
>> Zochrot is similar in a way to groups in Poland and Germany dedicated to
>> understanding and atoning for the destruction of Jewish life and culture 
>> in
>> their countries.
>>
>> "At first, the Nakba was something I couldn't understand," Musih said. 
>> "But
>> I felt there was something there I must face. I had to explore what that
>> was. Now I see that the Nakba belongs to us as well as to the 
>> Palestinians.
>> It is part of our healing process."
>>
>> Musih spends much of her time trying to educate Israelis, especially
>> children, about the Nakba. In one of her exercises with children, she 
>> hands
>> each child a card on which are the names of Palestinian villages that 
>> were
>> destroyed, or from which Arabs were driven out. The children are to put
>> their cards in their proper places on the map.
>>
>> "One Israeli girl put back on the map the village her father had 
>> destroyed,"
>> Musih recalled.
>>
>> A Palestinian child, whose card had the name of Birrem, his village, told
>> its story, as well as restoring it on the map.
>>
>> On one of Musih's slides, an Israeli girl asks the question: "Who does my
>> house belong to?"
>>
>> Zochrot commemorates Nakba Day by bringing together Jews and Arabs in Tel
>> Aviv. The event is publicized with a light touch. Stickers are put up 
>> with
>> cartoon balloons emerging from people's mouths, saying, "I almost
>> forgot-today is Nakba Day!" One of the balloons-Musih laughed, pointing 
>> to
>> it-emerged from the mouth of a stern-faced Theodore Herzl.
>>
>> http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705025.html
> May they have many nakbas!
I do not wish death on anybody, but filling the gulags with ZioNazis will be 
just fine with me! 




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 NORMA MUSIH, a young, soft-spoken teacher from Jaffa, does not look like a
woman who would elicit telephone death threats. But she and the members of
her group, Zochrot-which means "remembrance," and which was founded in 2002
by Israeli activists and scholars-have devoted themselves to commemorating,
understanding and teaching about a subject that in Israel is plainly
subversive: the Palestinian Nakba.

Musih recently stood in front of a mostly progressive New York Jewish
audience, brought together by Brooklyn Parents For Peace, and talked about
Zochrot and the Nakba.

"For us," she explained, "1948 was the independence war, the State of Israel
being created. A great event for the Jews. For Palestinians, it was the loss
of everything, the big catastrophe-Nakba! Most Israelis don't want to know
this word, don't want to hear it."

Zochrot works to get that word through to Israelis, to get it heard, to have
it understood.

Musih showed her audience slides she brought with her-graphics of
displacement. One was of the Etzel Museum at Manshiyye, built on the ruins
of a Palestinian house.

"There is nothing there about the story of the house," she said. "The house
tells its own story."

In another slide, Adnan Mahmid, from the village of Lajjun, points to where
his house had stood. Now it's just an empty space.

One of Zochrot's activities is putting up signs in places where there once
were Arab villages, naming them, commemorating them.

"They are usually removed after 15 minutes," Musih said. "At best, two
hours."

Less easy to destroy are the oral histories Zochrot gathers from
Palestinians, stories of places and lives before the Nakba. Zochrot members
go to Arab villages taking testimonies that then appear in booklets and
videos.

Zochrot is similar in a way to groups in Poland and Germany dedicated to
understanding and atoning for the destruction of Jewish life and culture in
their countries.

"At first, the Nakba was something I couldn't understand," Musih said. "But
I felt there was something there I must face. I had to explore what that
was. Now I see that the Nakba belongs to us as well as to the Palestinians.
It is part of our healing process."

Musih spends much of her time trying to educate Israelis, especially
children, about the Nakba. In one of her exercises with children, she hands
each child a card on which are the names of Palestinian villages that were
destroyed, or from which Arabs were driven out. The children are to put
their cards in their proper places on the map.

"One Israeli girl put back on the map the village her father had destroyed,"
Musih recalled.

A Palestinian child, whose card had the name of Birrem, his village, told
its story, as well as restoring it on the map.

On one of Musih's slides, an Israeli girl asks the question: "Who does my
house belong to?"

Zochrot commemorates Nakba Day by bringing together Jews and Arabs in Tel
Aviv. The event is publicized with a light touch. Stickers are put up with
cartoon balloons emerging from people's mouths, saying, "I almost
forgot-today is Nakba Day!" One of the balloons-Musih laughed, pointing to
it-emerged from the mouth of a stern-faced Theodore Herzl.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705025.html





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America Under Attack
The Truth About America's Class War
By Tim Brown


Part I: How We Got Here and Why it Matters

In the run-up to the 2000 Presidential Election then-candidate George W. 
Bush stood in front of a diamond-studded $800-a-plate audience and remarked, 
'This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. Some people 
call you the elites; I call you my base.' His comment was played in the 
press as a mere joke. Were that only so.

Over their next six years of rule the White House and the Congressional 
majority collected obscene amounts of money from this very crowd and their 
well-heeled brethren. In return they plied America's uber-rich with nearly a 
trillion dollars in tax breaks, give-aways and no-bid contracts for 
everything from war to waste management. It was an orgy of greed that saw a 
sharp increase in the wealth gap between this relatively small in-crowd and 
the rest of us.

The numbers don't need to be exaggerated. Statistics from our own government 
tell the tale: The top five percent are now worth more than all the rest of 
us. That means in a nation of about 300 million a mere 15 million are 
wealthier than 285 million citizens - combined.

But even these numbers don't provide a proper frame of reference, so think 
about it this way: If the country consisted of only 100 people and had a 
total of only $100 to share among them, one person would get $32, the next 
four would have $6.25 each, the next five would get $2.40 each, forty people 
would get $.68 each and the last fifty would receive only $.06 each. That 
means one guy has more than the bottom fifty people. In fact, any one of the 
top five people has more than the bottom fifty citizens.

Genesis of a Takeover

This gap really started to grow during the Reagan presidency when corporate 
regulations, put in place under FDR, were gutted to make way for 'trickle 
down' economics. The dream of the supply-side theorists was to create 'a 
level playing field' for American investors in the global market by 
eliminating income and capital gains taxes. They claimed this would benefit 
America because all that money would be invested in the U.S. economy to 
generate big profits and good paying jobs. For a while the economy did boom 
and productivity skyrocketed. But these policies had also set the stage for 
the undermining of the American working class.

The investor class saw ways to make even more money by moving it to places 
other than the U.S., places where their investment would reap greater 
profits. This led to the birth of global treaties written by private 
corporations and passed by governments that took precedence over national 
laws. These treaties forced politicians in debt-ridden countries to hand 
over their nation's rights over control of the flow of goods and services 
within their borders to multinational corporate boards. With no parochial 
laws to control them these corporations looked to generate the highest 
profit at the lowest cost.

A typical example of these global agreements is NAFTA, pushed through 
Congress by leaders of both parties and signed by Bill Clinton, which made a 
handful of rich guys richer on both sides of the fence. It also put the 
final nail in the coffin of American manufacturing while creating a whole 
new ghetto of Mexican slave towns along our shared border.

Similar global treaties further unleveled the playing field as they pitted 
American workers against workers from all other nations in a race to the 
bottom. Solid middle class occupations were lost to Mexico and China and 
every other nation where poor workers would take whatever they could get in 
order to survive. The inevitable result was that Wall Street and the 
corporate barons increased their already tremendous wealth at the expense of 
nearly everyone else on the planet.

These barons are the top 1% of the chart on the right. The next 4% are 
mainly the lucky and talented individuals who made their way to upper 
management and who support the uber-rich, but they should make no mistake 
that they are just the house servants, not the real bosses. What's left of 
Middle America and small business owners make up the next 45%. Then there 
are the dirt poor, fully 50% of our nation who do all those jobs that you 
can barely scratch a living out of these days - the guy who cuts your grass, 
the kid who makes your double latte in the morning, the woman who cleans 
your office after you've gone home for the night - all jobs that used to pay 
a living wage. Not any more.

So, what the heck is going on? Are those guys at the very top of the heap 
really that much more valuable than the rest of us? Did they earn every 
penny of it? Hardly. The current lopsided conditions did not come from a 
fair contest on a level playing field. The truth is that it comes from an 
increasingly tilted slope enabled by a thoroughly corrupted political 
system.

Why Are We Losing the Class War?

In a nutshell, politics. But, let's flesh that out a little to get a better 
perspective on how the system established by our Constitutional forefathers 
has been hijacked.

Our political leaders are guilty of pouring money down the black hole of 
contributor paybacks by lavishing on the corporations a whole lot of tax 
dollars for services of very little value to the commonwealth. What do they 
get in return? Politicians call it 'campaign contributions'. Lobbyists call 
it 'free speech' in public and an 'investment' privately. But let's drop the 
euphemisms and call it what it is - bribery. It's all the more insulting 
that this bribery is made 'legal' by the very politicians who benefit from 
it.

Our tax dollars are the investment we as citizens make to our shared future. 
It is part of the bargain of being a member in good standing of this great 
nation that we each contribute fairly so that we may share collectively in 
the bounty of public works and services made possible from our national 
treasure. Our elected representatives have a solemn duty to carefully spend 
that money to benefit all of us. But instead of straight talk and fair play, 
the politicians have given us meaningless platitudes to hide a pro-corporate 
agenda whose true aim has been to enrich the private profiteers who supply 
the money to keep them in office.

That means the problem is bigger than individual desires for political 
power; it is a structural defect in our system. The elite have set up a 
rigged game. In order to run for office - and win - a politician has to 
raise a huge amount of money. Unless they are already very wealthy - and 
part of the uber-rich - they have to get that money from somewhere. 
Corporate lobbyists prey on this weakness in our system by plying 
politicians with the necessary cash to get them re-elected, especially if 
those politicians sit on powerful committees that control the flow of 
taxpayer money. And as the price to run for office continues to rise, 
candidates who truly speak for the common citizen become an endangered 
species.

When you look at the total number of contributors to political campaigns 
today you see that more people than ever have put their money behind a 
political party or candidate. That's a statistical fact, one often touted by 
those who are opposed to strictly limiting private money in public politics. 
But they never mention the fact that despite all those new contributors 
nearly 90% of political contributions still come from less than 1% of the 
citizenry; the top 1%. That's more important than a statistic; it's a 
consequential truth.

By default, the messages and issues of public discourse are controlled by an 
exclusive group who do not have their fellow citizen's interests at the top 
of their corporate agenda. The path we have been set upon threatens to 
create a permanent aristocracy, like the one our nation's founders fought 
against two centuries ago. That 'Shining City on the Hill' is looking more 
like a feudal castle than a place where we can all realize our collective 
American Dream.

Economics is a Moral Issue

We hear a lot today about morality. It is used as a cudgel against anyone 
who questions the motives of the Bush Administration and their cohorts on 
the radical right. It is also used as a clarion call to religious 
fundamentalists. Whenever they need to whip up their base these cynical 
bigots ring the morality bell and the faithful begin salivating in support 
of whatever manufactured indignation their leadership has cooked up - Terri 
Schiavo, gay marriage, abortion, pre-marital sex - like a pack of Pavlovian 
mutts.

But their 'morality' is very limited in its scope. These busy-bodies are all 
for telling you how to run your life - how to raise your kids, when to make 
love to your spouse, how you are allowed to do it, how to live, how to die 
and everything in between. They even want to turn their beliefs into 
Constitutional law, forcing you to conduct your life as they see fit.

But while their 'morality' starts at the bedroom door, it stops at the 
boardroom door, as if economic decisions are without moral consequences. 
Tell that to the 45 million hard working Americans who literally can't 
afford to get sick because health insurance is too expensive. Or the 
millions of our elderly who have to make a choice between buying 
life-sustaining medicine or food for the week. Or the families of our brave 
soldiers who are living on food stamps while private military giants are 
raking in billions of our tax dollars in inflated, no-bid contracts. Or your 
neighbors who lost their careers to foreign sweatshops or the millions of 
Americans who have to settle for low-paying service industry jobs with no 
benefits while corporate CEOs are walking away with multi-million dollar 
retirement packages.

Greed, materialism, poverty, injustice - these are moral issues. There are 
more than 200 references to helping the poor in the Christian Bible. By way 
of comparison, there are six references to homosexuality and none regarding 
abortion. If you consider yourself a Christian then you have to ask yourself 
what God considers more important.

But even mention how unfair it is that the richest keep getting richer while 
the rest of us struggle from day to day or how the political system is 
rigged in favor of those who ply our politicians with money and you get shut 
down. The corporate apologists start crying that you're some kind of 
un-patriotic socialist heathen. That's because while they are happy to 
accept the votes of the Christian lobby, they themselves worship a different 
God - the God of Profit. They call it globalization, the panacea for all our 
ills, the precursor to democracy abroad, but what they really mean is that a 
handful of corporations buying up the national resources of other countries 
and exploiting their workers for their own profit - and in the process 
putting regular Americans in economic peril - is a good thing.

Neo-Conservative and Neo-Liberal

So now we know that the people who are calling the shots promote an 
aggressive neo-conservative social agenda - essentially, that the government 
can intervene in its citizens' personal lives. But they also pursue an 
aggressive neo-liberal economic agenda, one that says government should not 
be allowed to intervene in business - except when it benefits those 
businesses, like slashing taxes or putting corporate lobbyists in charge of 
government agencies or putting corporate profits ahead of the welfare of 
American citizens.

The consequences of these neo-liberal economic policies are a worldwide gap 
in social and economic equality, the poorest nations being used as cheap 
resources, marked instability in the American economy as good paying jobs 
are sent overseas, and a bonanza for the wealthiest that exceeds even that 
of the Gilded Age whose debauchery brought America to its knees during the 
Great Depression.





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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search








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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search








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 wrote in message 
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> On Jul 4, 5:39 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On Jul 4, 12:43 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>
>> > "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:juFii.5611$K9.5390@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> > > "DoD"  wrote in message
>> > >news:138m8k8cmp82f71@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> > >> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>> > >>news:LPEii.212$yD2.185@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> > >>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>> > >>>news:468b0eed$0$16557$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> > >>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>> > >>>>news:7IDii.21473$19.4923@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> > >>>>> New  Testament
>>
>> > >>>> is something you have no clue about.
>> > >>> JUST SO HAPPENS, USTASHA,
>>
>
> Didn't you use to love Ustashi and KLA?
>
>>
>> THAT I KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU WILL
>> > >>> EVER KNOW!
>>
>> > >> Let me guess. You have a secret N.T. just like you have the secret
>> > >> Talmud?
>> > > GUESS WHAT? YOU MIGHT JUST BE RIGHT!
>>
>> > So give us the details on this secret N.T. that you have....
>>
>> you are a fucking stupid, uneducated moron
>>
>
> Are you an educated one?
Not as much as I like to be, but I am no moron! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Jul 3, 7:35 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  New  Testament was only available in Aramaic until mid fourth century, 
>> when
>> Ptolemy VII decided to get it translated into Greek out of curiosity. 
>> There
>> are portions of the original on display in the New Library of Alexandria. 
>> It
>> was Jews who spoke Aramaic and were instrumental in translating New
>> Testament on the Island Pharos, (the causeway still stands island is gone 
>> in
>> an earthqake)
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arameans
>
> The Aramaeans, or Arameans, were a Semitic, semi-nomadic and
> pastoralist people who originated and had lived in upper Mesopotamia
> and Syria. Aramaeans have never had a unified empire; they were
> divided into independent kingdoms all across the Near East. Yet to
> these Aramaeans befell the privilege of imposing their language and
> culture upon the entire Near East and beyond, fostered in part by the
> mass relocations enacted by successive empires, including the
> Assyrians and Babylonians. Scholars even have used the term
> 'Aramaization' for the Syro-Mesopotamian peoples, languages and
> cultures that have been made 'Aramean'.
>
> Aramaeans are mostly defined by their use of the Aramaic language,
> first written using the Phoenician alphabet slightly modified. Their
> language, namely Aramaic, belongs -- like Hebrew, Ammonite and others
> -- to the north-western group of Semitic dialects. As early as the 8th
> century BC, Aramaic language and writing competed with the Akkadian
> language and script (cuneiform) in Assyria, and thereafter it spread
> throughout the Orient. Around 500 BC, when the Achaemenid monarchs
> looked for a tongue that could be understood by all their subjects,
> they chose Aramaic, which became the lingua franca of their vast
> empire. It was not until Greek emerged several centuries later that
> Aramaic lost its prestige as the most sophisticated language; but it
> remained unchallenged as the common dialect of all peoples of the Near
> East and was to remain so until the Arab invasion (7th century AD).
>
> Contemporary Aramaic speakers are known as Assyrians. They are
> primarily followers of the various churches of Syriac Christianity.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_testament
>
> The common languages spoken by both Jews and Gentiles in the holy land
> at the time of Jesus were Aramaic, Koine Greek, and to a limited
> extent a colloquial dialect of Mishnaic Hebrew. However, the original
> text of the New Testament was most likely written in Koine Greek, the
> vernacular dialect in 1st-century Roman provinces of the Eastern
> Mediterranean, and has since been widely translated into other
> languages, most notably, Latin, Syriac, and Coptic. However, some of
> the Church Fathers seem to imply that Matthew was originally written
> in Hebrew or Aramaic, and there is another contention that the author
> of the Epistle to the Hebrews wrote in Hebrew, which was translated
> into Greek by Luke. Neither view holds much support among contemporary
> scholars, who argue that the literary facets of Matthew and Hebrews
> suggest that they were composed directly in Greek, rather than being
> translated.

That is true. But the first European language it was translated into is 
classical Greek on the island of Pharos, thanks to PtolemyVII, who paid for 
the translation, but never got converted to Christianity. He left that to 
Konstantin of Nis,(a town few miles from where I was born)
to convert Roman Empire including Greece to Christianity. It took another 
800 years to convert the rest of the Balkans into Christianity 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Jul 4, 9:13 am, Gentile Mirelle  wrote:
>> Saddam Hussein, (legal) President of Iraq (illegally murdered)
>> Mirelle
>
> Happy sexless marriage, Moaning Mirelle, you certified loon.
>
> Deborah
Howdoyouknow it is "sexless"? Are you holding them the candle? 




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 WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK ABOUT JEWS FOR JESUS? 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Heinrich"  wrote in message
> news:5f1fpiF39s4e4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>  schreef in bericht
>> news:1183548582.673239.105180@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jul 4, 2:18 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
>> >
>> > How things do come round. Back during what Pallies have recently taken
>> > to calling the "First Intifadeh", it was the Pallies who, with a
>> > little help from their good friends in Nazi Germany, uprooted and
>> > destroyed $$$millions-worth of trees planted by Jews.
>> >
>> > Deborah
>> >
>> >
>>
>> go back to bed and return when you have come to your senses again <
>
> Why" She's 100% correct. The first intifada (uprising) was the one led by
> Haj Amin El Husseini and his gangs from 1936-'39, after which he was
> convicted but escaped capture by the British and ended up in Third Reich 
> to
> work with Eichmann. Nazi money definitely helped fund the first intifada 
> in
> the late 1930s in Palestine.
 FUCK OFF DISGUSTING LIAR! HUSSEINI NEVER LIVED IN GERMANY, HE JUST VISITED 
HITLER, NAZIS DELIVERED 37 MILLION GOLDEN MARKS TO THE ZIONISTS AT THE CECIL 
HOTEL IN ALEXANDRIA IN 1937 TO HELP THE ESTABLISH THE ZIONAZI ENCLAVE. 




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 STICK TO PUMPING GAS, AND STEALING BEER IN THE NANAIMO PUBS YOU
STUPID UNEDUCATED SON OF A WHORE



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Alan Johnston freed; now it's Gilad Shalit's turn
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On Jul 4, 11:16 am, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote in message
>
> news:0bGdnYGiK8yBGhbbnZ2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1183548100.896278.288070@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > Prime Minister's Office: Now its Schalit's turn to be freed
> > > AP and jpost.com staff
> > > 18 Tamuz 5767, Wednesday, July 4, 2007 14:14 IST |
>
> > > AP Photo/caption:
> > > BBC reporter Alan Johnston removes a sash with the Palestinian flag
> > > given to him by deposed Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail
> > > Haniyeh of Hamas during a news conference in Gaza City, Wednesday.
>
> > > In the wake of BBC reporter Alan Johnston's release in the Gaza Strip,
> > > the Prime Minister's Office issued a statement Wednesday calling for
> > > the release of captured IDF soldier Cpl. Gilad Schlait.
>
> > > "Israel demands that soldier Gilad Schalit, who was abducted
>
> > Wrong. Not abducted at all. Captured is the truth of it. AND on Lebanon's
> > side of the border. You wallow in lies shoveari.<
>
> Shalit is captive in GAZA, moron! You wallow in hogshit along with the rest
> of  you stupid pigs.

HE IS A PRISONER OF WAR AND SHOULD BE TREATED JUST THE WAY ZIONAZIS
TREAT PALESTINIANS IN THEIR GULAGS
, TOGETHER WITH TORTURE, HUNGER AND THREATENING TO KILL HIM!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:49 EDT 2007
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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1183595931.201371.310630@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex Seredin, aka "Venceremos", the
> hatemonger of Delray Beach,   wrote:
>> STICK TO PUMPING GAS, AND STEALING BEER IN THE NANAIMO PUBS YOU
>>STUPID UNEDUCATED SON OF A WHORE

MC VAY ALL YOUR CONNECTIONS ARE CENTRED IN THE BOOZE. WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT
 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:49 EDT 2007
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"Ariadne"  wrote in message 
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> On 4 Jul, 17:29, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK ABOUT JEWS FOR JESUS?
>
> The demented forger P-Vomit does, Alex.
 SEEMSTO ME YOU ARE MORE DEMENTED THAN HE IS.
AGAIN, WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK WHAT HIS CONVICTIONS ARE? I BET YOU DO NOT 
KNOW! 




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"Ariadne"  wrote in message 
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> On Jul 4, 9:29 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK ABOUT JEWS FOR JESUS?
>
> I can't help myself. I'm mentally ill.
 AT LEAST YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:49 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:r_Fii.5629$K9.5613@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:138m8ekautj5f81@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Defendario"  wrote in message 
>>> news:5f0jshF39l1fpU4@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> It is impossible to have a discussion with a bigot like you. Take care.
>> You are too stupid to have a discussion with anyone,
>
> Alex... you are the idiot that puts forth every conspiracy theory known...

cONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE CONSPIRACIES UNTIL THEY ARE PROVEN. KENNEDY 
ASSASSINATION CONSPIRACY THEORY IS NOW A KNOWN FACT SOME DAY 911 WILL BE 
UNEARTHED TO SEE THE LIGHT OF THE DAY! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:50 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:P%Fii.5630$K9.5565@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> It clearly reads:"Jewish Homeland in PALESTINE"
>
> "Palestine" is where Jews are from... so it is fitting.
 IDIOT, JEWS COME FROM RUSSIA, GERMANY, AND ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET, 
THEY ARE NOT A RACE TRACEBLE BY PHYSICAL FEATURES, THEY ARE RELIGION. LOOK 
AT YOURSELF, YOU ARE A CROAT AND A FUCKING JEW. DO YOU WANT A PIECE OF 
PALESTINE? 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:38:50 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
> news:1183522807.531190.206840@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 11:06 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:kkDii.21461$19.20309@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> > STICK YOUR ZIONAZI CRAP UP YOUR CROATIAN ARSE!
>>>
>>> Shut up Alex... Don't you have an American flag to get ready to burn
>>> tommorrow?
>>
>> WAVE AMERICAN FLAG ALL YOU WANT
>
> I do
WOW, YOU ARE FIT TO BE GEORGE BUSH'S ARSE WIPE 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:138ma7829sref3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "HHW"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183524374.392341.318570@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jul 3, 10:06 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:kkDii.21461$19.20309@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> > STICK YOUR ZIONAZI CRAP UP YOUR CROATIAN ARSE!
>>>>>
>>>>> Shut up Alex... Don't you have an American flag to get ready to burn
>>>>> tommorrow?
>>>>
>>>> How strange, how naive, this identification of Israel's interests with
>>>> America's.
>>>
>>> Sure you want to advance Arab Muslim takeover of America....
>>>
>>> You want to kill free speech... stuff like that.
>>
>> Freedom and justice in United States are long dead,
>
> Not really, but if Arabs have their way it will be..
Arabs, are more free in most of Arab countries than we are!.
>
> Remember the Arab that tried to sue an American for him talking about 
> Saudi Arabia?
 No, I dont, but I am sure you do! 




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"BOLUDOVSKY"  wrote in message 
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> Israel kicks ass!
>
>
> -- 
> FREE GILAD SHALIT, EHUD GOLDWASSER AND ELDAD REGEV!
> http://www.banim.org
 STRING THEM UP, UNLESS ISRAEL FREES 10,000 TORTURED PALESTINIANS FROM THEIR 
GULAGS! 




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"Mordecai" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote in message 
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>
>
> Shaun wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:45:24 GMT, "The Pragmatist"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >The extent of Israeli innovation and contribution to human knowledge is
>> >nothing short of extraordinary--Jews comprise a mere 0.1% of the whole
>> >global population (the Islamic world is 20-25%).  Jews account for some 
>> >23%
>> >of all Nobel Prize winners (approx. 173).....Muslims? 5 since 1911 (if 
>> >you
>> >count Arafat who invented airplane hijacking). Pathetic, no wonder the
>> >Muslims hate them, they hate everything they cannot become.  Some 
>> >Israeli
>> >stats:
>> >
>> >Israel's Inventive Advantages
>> >Brains, Creativity
>> >
>> >Israel has ~140 scientists and engineers per 10,000 of population, 
>> >nearly
>> >twice as many as the US, and more than twice as many as Japan.
>> >
>> >Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other 
>> >nation -
>> >109 per 10,000 people.
>> >
>> >The percentage of Israeli citizens who are university graduates is among 
>> >the
>> >highest in the world.
>> >
>> >Israel is second only to the US in the number of patent applications 
>> >filed.
>> >
>> >Israel has more than 140 companies listed on NASDAQ - only the U.S. has
>> >more.
>>
>> Israel is a country consisting of first and 2nd generation immigrants
>>
>> Israel only allows immigration by Jews
>>
>> Israel gives preference to highly educated Jewish immigrants and
>> actively recuits thems
>>
>> The entire Isreali education system and economy would collapse without
>> being bankrolled by the US
>>
>> The fact that Israelis think that their success is based on racial
>> superiority and not demographics show they have learnt absolutely
>> nothing from their history.
>>
>>
>
> Ah  the strange claim "The fact that Israelis think that their success is 
> based
> on racial superiority and not demographics show they have learnt 
> absolutely
> nothing from their history." is not a claim in the article at all.
>
> So who has made this strange claim? Ahhh ... let me see ... YOU.
> Now, let us remove this claim and your argument becomes ... nothing.  It 
> does not
> hang together.
>
> I do suggest that as the only one who claims racial superiority is you - 
> as Jews
> do not consider ourselves a race so racial superiority is stupid.
> So next time you decide you consider us racist - and then project your 
> ideas onto
> us - and then prove our ideas ... err YOUR ideas of racial superiority are
> incorrect - then we are agreed. Jews are not racially superior .. and jews 
> do not
> think themselves racially or genetically superior .. and I also note that 
> YOU
> claim the facts do not support racial superiority.
>
> So let us all agree that you are correct  and we are not racially superior 
> ..
> though please be honest about your assumptions.
> It is your assumption, not ours and not the author of the article.
> And you are right - the assumption you falsely accused us of making ... is 
> indeed
> false.
>
> Do have a good day.

Most amazing thing is that present day Zionists have embraced the Obermensch 
ideology of Adolf Hitler! 




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Subject: Re: Israel's cutting edge in high technology -- about 100 meters of long-awaited light rail tracks installed incorrectly on a Jerusalem main thoroughfare have to be ripped out and redone
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"Sir Salman Rushdie"  wrote in 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
> news:1183487238.145394.101900@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 3, 10:41 am, Jason P  wrote:
>>> Jerusalem light rail project not on track - literally
>>>
>>> Jul. 2, 2007 0:22 -- Updated Jul. 2, 2007 7:06
>>>
>>> By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
>>>
>>> Jerusalem's long-awaited light rail project has been set back nearly
>>> six months behind schedule due to construction blunders and a shortage
>>> of workers, officials said Sunday.
>>>
>>> They confirmed that about 100 meters of tracks installed incorrectly
>>> on a main thoroughfare near the Mount Herzl Military Cemetery had to
>>> be ripped out and redone.
>>>
>>> The first line in the city's light rail system was expected to be
>>> running in 2009, but is already five months late due to insufficient
>>> manpower on the ground by the private conglomerate, City-Pass, which
>>> is charged with the work, the officials said.
>>>
>>> The NIS 3.2 billion project is the first of its kind in Israel.
>>>
>>> City-Pass spokesman Itsho Gur attributed the delays in the work both
>>> to its novelty in Israel and that the procedure to attain permits in
>>> each stage was "complicated."
>>>
>>> "We are negotiating with the State of Israel on the issue, and to set
>>> a new date for the light rail's operation," he said.
>>>
>>> Gur said a routine inspection of the track - in an area where, much to
>>> the duress of neighborhood residents, work has been under way for more
>>> than a year - revealed certain problems with the tracking that were
>>> "liable to hurt the longevity of the structure." Due to safety
>>> concerns, the tracking was removed, causing delays in the work.
>>>
>>> Jerusalem Municipality spokesman Gidi Schmerling said Sunday the city
>>> would view "gravely" any delay in the running of the light rail
>>> system, which he said would be both a breach of contract and an injury
>>> to the public.
>>>
>>> Finance Ministry officials could fine the conglomerate - made up of
>>> three Israeli and two French companies - for any delay in the work,
>>> officials said.
>>>
>>> When it finally gets off the ground, the project will ease traffic
>>> congestion, allow better access and reduce smog.
>>>
>>> The inaugural line, the nearly 14-kilometer "red line," will run from
>>> the northern Jerusalem neighborhood of Pisgat Ze'ev to Mount Herzl via
>>> the city center, with 23 stops along the way.
>>>
>>> --- --- --- --- ---
>>> (c) JPost.com
>>
>> hAVE  YOU EVER SEEN A jEWISH BRICKLAYER?  i HAVE NOT. nOR A jEWISH
>> CARPENTER WHO KNEW WHAT THE HELL HE WAS DOING
>>
>
> How about a Muslim Doctor??
> One that saves lives?????

There are criminals amongst the doctors also, they will be punished 
according to law if they are guilty. 




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 AMERICA IS A COLONY OF ISRAEL AND WIL REMAIN SO UNTIL ISRAEL IS DISMANTLED 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> America's cities and towns will soon fill with parades, fireworks and 
> barbecues, in celebration of the Fourth of July, the 231st birthday of 
> America.
I wish you would mention the children of Iraq who are dying from starvation, 
diease, and lack of clean water, aside from being massacred by the American 
troops! 




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Subject: IMAGINE LIVING IN AN APARTHEID STATE LIKE ISRAEL
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Imagine, if you will, a modern apartheid state with first, second and 
eleventh class citizens, all required to carry identification specifying 
their ethnic origin. First class citizens are obliged to serve in the armed 
forces, kept on ready reserve status until in their forties, and accorded an 
impressive array of housing, medical, social security, educational and 
related benefits denied all others.

Second class citizens are exempted from military service and from a number 
of the benefits accorded citizens of the first class. They are issued 
identity documents and license plates that allow them to be profiled by 
police at a distance. Second class citizens may not own land in much of the 
country and marriages between them and first class citizens are not 
recognized by the state. Second class citizens are sometimes arrested 
without trial and police torture, while frowned upon and occasionally 
apologized for, commonly occurs.

Citizens of the eleventh class, really not citizens at all, have no rights 
citizens of the first class or their government are bound to respect. Their 
residence is forbidden in nearly nine-tenths of the country, all of which 
they used to own. The areas left to them are cut up into smaller and smaller 
portions weekly, by high walls, free fire zones and hundreds of checkpoints 
manned by the army of the first class citizens, so that none can travel a 
dozen miles in any direction to work, school, shopping, a job, a farm, a 
business or a hospital without several long waits, humiliating searches and 
often arbitrary denials of the right to pass or to return. Posh residential 
settlements for the first class citizens with protecting gun towers and 
military bases are built with government funds and foreign aid on what used 
to be the villages and farms and pastures of the eleventh class citizens. 
The settlers are allotted generous additional housing and other subsidies, 
allowed to carry weapons and use deadly force with impunity against the 
former inhabitants, and are connected with the rest of first class territory 
by a network of of first-class citizen only roads.

Citizens of the eleventh class are routinely arrested, tortured, and held 
indefinitely without trial. Political activism among them is equated to 
"terrorism" and the state discourages such activity by means including but 
not limited to the kidnapping of suspects and relatives of suspects, 
demolition of their family homes, and extralegal assassination, sometimes at 
the hands of a death squad, or at others times by lobbing missiles or five 
hundred pound bombs into sleeping apartment blocks or noonday traffic. 
Passports are not issued to these citizens, and those who take advantage of 
scarce opportunities to study or work abroad are denied re-entry.



The apartheid state in question is, of course, Israel. Its first class 
citizens are Israeli Jews, the majority of them of European or sometimes 
American origin. The second class citizens are Israeli Arabs, who enjoy 
significant but limited rights under the law including token representation 
in the Knesset. The eleventh class citizens are not citizens at all. They 
are Palestinians. One expects to be able to say that Palestinians live in 
Palestine and are governed by Palestinians, but the truth is something 
different. The areas in which Palestinians may inhabit have shrunk nearly 
every year since the Nakba, their name for the wave of mass deportations, 
murders, the dispossession, destruction and exile of whole Arab towns, 
cities and regions that attended the 1948 founding of the state of Israel. 
As the whole world, except for the US public knows, Palestinians have lived 
under military occupation, without land, without rights, without hope, for 
nearly sixty years now.

The difference between life inside and outside the US corporate media bubble 
is extraordinarily clear on this question. US authorities subsidize the 
state of Israel to the tune of at least six billion per year, and corporate 
media take great pains to protect US citizens from news of actual human and 
legal conditions their tax dollars pay for. The ugly and racist realities of 
Israeli society and life under Israeli occupation are rarely discussed 
anywhere most consumers of media might find them. It is nearly taboo in 
mainstream US print and broadcast media to apply the words racist or 
apartheid to the state of Israel or its policies, or to call its control at 
the point of a gun of millions of non-citizens what it is, namely the 
longest standing military occupation in the world today. In the US media, 
and on the lips of every administration since Harry Truman's Israel is "a 
democracy", whatever that word has come to mean.



Though news stories in the US talk about autonomous "Palestinian areas" 
allegedly controlled by Palestinian authorities, often referring to Gaza and 
the West Bank by name, actual maps displaying the geographic boundaries of 
the so-called Palestinian controlled areas are rarely seen by American 
viewers, let alone maps comparing the size of Palestinian areas year to 
year, or showing the steady encroachment upon Arab land and water resources 
year to year by Israeli settlements, military outposts, Israeli-only roads, 
free fire zones and Israel's wall. The massive and militarized apartheid 
wall, as the rest of the world calls it, is termed a "separation barrier" or 
a "separation fence" in the US media, an understandable precaution against 
hordes of terroristic former owners of the land who lurk just outside.

Still, when you Google the terms Israel + apartheid, you get 5.5 million 
hits. A lot of somebodies somewhere are making the connection without the 
help of CNN, ABC or Fox News.



The parallels with apartheid South Africa are many and striking. Like its 
earlier apartheid cousin, Israel menaces all its neighbors with an 
impressive array of nukes and the largest military establishment in the 
region. As Noam Chomsky observed back in 2004:

"Not discussed, in the US at least, is the threat from West Asia. Israel's 
nuclear capacities, supplemented with other WMD, are regarded as "dangerous 
in the extreme" by the former head of the US Strategic Command (STRATCOM), 
Gen. Lee Butler, not only because of the threat they pose but also because 
they stimulate proliferation in response. The Bush administration is now 
enhancing that threat. Israeli military analysts allege that its air and 
armored forces are larger and technologically more advanced than those of 
any NATO power (apart from the US), not because this small country is 
powerful in itself, but because it serves virtually as an offshore US 
military base and high tech center. The US is now sending Israel over 100 of 
its most advanced jet bombers, F16I's, advertised very clearly as capable of 
flying to Iran and back, and as an updated version of the F16s that Israel 
used to bomb Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981...."
The old South Africa bombed, strafed and invaded all its neighbors with some 
regularity, crippling their commerce and extracting horrific death tolls 
>from refugee camps and other civilian targets. The last time Israel invaded 
and occupied Lebanon, it left 30,000 corpses.

White South Africans rightly fretted at the fact that they were a minority 
ruling over an unhappy majority, and concocted schemes to exile the 
country's black population to isolated rural reservations it called 
bantustans. Israeli pundits calmly discuss the demographic bomb, their name 
for the fact that second and eleventh class citizens, Israeli Arabs and 
Palestinians will soon outnumber them within the borders of their supposed 
"Jewish state" while Israeli politicians sit in Knesset and hold ministries 
in successive governments openly calling for mass deportations and ethnic 
cleansing.

White South Africans constructed for themselves a bogus scriptural narrative 
in which the God of Abraham promised them somebody else's land, and brought 
it into modern history with the embellishment that they were holding the 
line for the free world against godless communism and the black menace. How 
similar is Israel's line that European Jews are promised the land of Muslim 
and Christian Arabs, and that they now hold the line for the free world 
against radical Islam and those ungrateful brown people?

We at BC have to believe that if the American people knew the truth about 
what their tax dollars pay for in Israel and what is left of Palestine, 
there would be a deep and widespread revulsion, similar to that occasioned 
by US support for apartheid in South Africa. But there are important 
differences between that time and this one. Though unspeakably odious, 
racist South African was only marginally important to US interests. By 
contrast, the maintenance of Israel's apartheid regime, essentially a white 
hi-tech and military outpost in the middle of all those brown people sitting 
atop a large share of the world's proven oil reserves is absolutely central 
to US foreign policy for the foreseeable future. The US is Israel's banker, 
its arms depot, and its principal diplomatic sponsor. The US is far more 
complicit in the crimes of the Israeli state than it ever was in South 
Africa.



Racism and apartheid being what they are, and our historical experience in 
America being what it is, African Americans have a crucial role to play. 
African Americans have seldom supported US imperial adventures overseas as 
readily as whites. Our American experience inclines us to a skeptical 
appraisal of our government's means and motives at home and abroad. Even 
though we live as much within the media bubble as white America, where 
images of the broken and mangled families, the incinerated homes and bombed 
hospitals are hard to come by, our skepticism leads us to sympathize with 
those who live at the sharp end of US foreign policy far more often than do 
our white neighbors.

Our first duty is to tell the truth to each other. We must combat among 
ourselves the bogus historical narratives which permit indifference to US 
policy in the Middle East in general, and support of Israeli apartheid in 
particular. The churchgoers among us urgently, publicly and repeatedly must 
confront and debunk the nonsense which holds that "wars and rumors of wars" 
are something predestined to happen in the biblical holy land for what they 
are - bad scripture and fake history. We need to interrupt, correct and 
school everyone who talks to us about a "cycle of violence" in the Holy 
Land, as though some raggedy fool with a suicide belt, or a few hundred 
fighters with small arms are or ever have been equivalent to the devastation 
wrought by the established gulags, checkpoints, airborne firepower, economic 
strangulation, house demolitions and nuclear armed might of the Israeli 
state. The two sides do not have access to anything like equal means of 
inflicting violence, and so cannot be equally culpable or equally 
responsible for stopping that violence.

We need to catch up with the rest of the civilized world, and talk about 
what we can do to emphatically withdraw our support from the apartheid state 
of Israel and its immoral and illegal occupation regime. The Presbyterian 
church, for example, has in the past considered selective divestiture from 
Israel and from US companies who profit from the occupation, as have the 
Anglicans. Both might do so again. What can our churches, our unions, our 
local elected officials, our young people do? What will we do?

Apartheid in South Africa eventually bit the dust mostly because the 
inhabitants of that country, black, brown and white resisted it, putting 
their bodies and lives on the line. Their resistance was aided and abetted 
materially, financially, politically and spiritually by people of good will 
the world over. Someday the sun will rise on a post-apartheid Jerusalem, one 
that belongs to all the people who live there of whatever origin. This is 
bound to happen because Palestinians as well as substantial numbers of 
Israeli Jews do and will continue to resist the regime. They will do what 
they can. What will we do?

http://www.blackcommentator.com/192/192_cover_Israeli_apartheid_dixon.html




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 IS THE FACT AS A DRUNKEN BUM FROM NANAIMO HE DEPENDS ON THE FEW BUCKS 
NIZKOR GIVES HIM FOR HIS LIES. 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> When Dwight D. Eisenhower dedicated the Islamic Center in Washington, 
> D.C., in June 1957, his 500-word talk effused good will ("Civilization 
> owes to the Islamic world some of its most important tools and 
> achievements") even as the American president embarrassingly bumbled 
> (Muslims in the United States, he declared, have the right to their "own 
> church"). Conspicuously, he included nary a word about policy.
>
> Exactly 50 years later, standing shoeless, George W. Bush rededicated the 
> center last week. His 1,600-word speech also praised medieval Islamic 
> culture ("We come to express our appreciation for a faith that has 
> enriched civilization for centuries"), but he knew a mosque from a 
> church - and he had more on the agenda than flattery.
>
> Most arresting, surely, was his statement that "I have invested the heart 
> of my presidency in helping Muslims fight terrorism, and claim their 
> liberty, and find their own unique paths to prosperity and peace." This 
> cri du coeur signaled how Mr. Bush understands to what extent actions by 
> Muslims will define his legacy.
>
> Should they heed his dream "and find their own unique paths to prosperity 
> and peace," then his presidency, however ravaged it may look at the 
> moment, will be vindicated. As with Harry S Truman, historians will 
> acknowledge that he saw further than his contemporaries. Should Muslims, 
> however, be "left behind in the global movement toward prosperity and 
> freedom," historians will likely judge his two terms as harshly as his 
> fellow Americans do today.
>
> Of course, how Muslims fare depends in large part on the future course of 
> radical Islam, which in turn depends in some part on its understanding by 
> the American president. Over the years, Mr. Bush has generally shown an 
> increased understanding of this topic. He started with platitudinous, 
> apologetic references to Islam as the "religion of peace," using this 
> phrase as late as 2006. He early on even lectured Muslims on the true 
> nature of their religion, a presumptuous ambition that prompted me in 2001 
> to dub him "Imam Bush."
>
> As his understanding grew, Mr. Bush spoke of the caliphate, "Islamic 
> extremism" and "Islamofacism." What euphemistically he called the "war on 
> terror" in 2001, by 2006 he referred to with the hard-hitting "war with 
> Islamic fascists." Things were looking up. Perhaps official Washington did 
> understand the threat, after all.
>
> But such analyses roused Muslim opposition and, as he approaches his 
> political twilight, Mr. Bush has retreated to safer ground, reverting last 
> week to decayed tropes that tiptoe around any mention of Islam. Instead, 
> he spoke inelegantly of "the great struggle against extremism that is now 
> playing out across the broader Middle East" and vaguely of "a group of 
> extremists who seek to use religion as a path to power and a means of 
> domination."
>
> Worse, the speech drum-rolled the appointment of a U.S. special envoy to 
> the Organization of the Islamic Conference, directing this envoy to 
> "listen to and learn from" his Muslim counterparts. But the OIC is a 
> Saudi-sponsored organization promoting the Wahhabi agenda under the 
> trappings of a Muslim-only United Nations. As counterterrorism specialist 
> Steven Emerson has noted, Bush's dismal initiative stands in "complete 
> ignorance of the rampant radicalism, pro-terrorist, and anti-American 
> sentiments routinely found in statements by the OIC and its leaders."
>
> Adding to the event's accommodationist tone, some of the president's top 
> female aides, including Frances Townsend and Karen Hughes, wore makeshift 
> hijabs as they listened to him in the audience.
>
>
>
> Sitting in the front row at the Islamic Center on June 27, 2007, senior 
> Bush administration staffers Frances Townsend (left) and Karen Hughes wore 
> makeshift hijabs.
>
> In brief, it feels like "déjà vu all over again." As columnist Diana West 
> puts it, "Nearly six years after September 11 - nearly six years after 
> first visiting the Islamic Center and proclaiming 'Islam is peace' - Mr. 
> Bush has learned nothing." But we now harbor fewer hopes than in 2001 that 
> he still can learn, absorb, and reflect an understanding of the enemy's 
> Islamist nature.
>
> Concluding that he basically has failed to engage this central issue, we 
> instead must look to Mr. Bush's potential successors and look for them to 
> return to his occasional robustness, again taking up those difficult 
> concepts of Islamic extremism, Shari'a, and the caliphate. Several 
> Republicans - Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and (above all) Fred Thompson - 
> are doing just that. Democratic candidates, unfortunately, prefer to 
> remain almost completely silent on this topic.
>
> Almost 30 years after Islamists first attacked Americans, and on the eve 
> of three major attempted terrorist attacks in Great Britain, the 
> president's speech reveals how confused Washington remains.
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=29035

What an idiotic statement: "Islamists attacked America" this is an outright 
lie, neither Islamnor any organized muslim entity had anything to do with 
911!

Everybody knows that the planes that were supposed to defend America were 
stood down on purpose. Supposing those planes were North Korean, Chinese or 
Russian carrying nuclear bombs, are you suggesting that we would simply let 
them deliver their payloads?

Most important thing is that not a single person was ever charged with the 
crime, and US has spent less money on investigating 911, and the murderof 
3,000 Americans, than they spent on investigating a ridiculous existence 
stained by the sperm of Bill Clinton.

Had they investigated arcitectural design of the building itself they could 
have easily discovered that no collision with a plane could have destroyed 
it 




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"Ariadne"  wrote in message 
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On 4 Jul, 22:21, "DoD"  wrote:
> When Dwight D. Eisenhower dedicated the Islamic Center in Washington, 
> D.C.,
> in June 1957, his 500-word talk effused good will ("Civilization owes to 
> the
> Islamic world some of its most important tools and achievements") even as
> the American president embarrassingly bumbled (Muslims in the United 
> States,
> he declared, have the right to their "own church"). Conspicuously, he
> included nary a word about policy.
>
> Exactly 50 years later, standing shoeless, George W. Bush rededicated the
> center last week. His 1,600-word speech also praised medieval Islamic
> culture ("We come to express our appreciation for a faith that has 
> enriched
> civilization for centuries"), but he knew a mosque from a church - and he
> had more on the agenda than flattery.
>
> Most arresting, surely, was his statement that "I have invested the heart 
> of
> my presidency in helping Muslims fight terrorism, and claim their liberty,
> and find their own unique paths to prosperity and peace." This cri du 
> coeur
> signaled how Mr. Bush understands to what extent actions by Muslims will
> define his legacy.
>
> Should they heed his dream "and find their own unique paths to prosperity
> and peace," then his presidency, however ravaged it may look at the 
> moment,
> will be vindicated. As with Harry S Truman, historians will acknowledge 
> that
> he saw further than his contemporaries. Should Muslims, however, be "left
> behind in the global movement toward prosperity and freedom," historians
> will likely judge his two terms as harshly as his fellow Americans do 
> today.
>
> Of course, how Muslims fare depends in large part on the future course of
> radical Islam, which in turn depends in some part on its understanding by
> the American president. Over the years, Mr. Bush has generally shown an
> increased understanding of this topic. He started with platitudinous,
> apologetic references to Islam as the "religion of peace," using this 
> phrase
> as late as 2006. He early on even lectured Muslims on the true nature of
> their religion, a presumptuous ambition that prompted me in 2001 to dub 
> him
> "Imam Bush."
>
> As his understanding grew, Mr. Bush spoke of the caliphate, "Islamic
> extremism" and "Islamofacism." What euphemistically he called the "war on
> terror" in 2001, by 2006 he referred to with the hard-hitting "war with
> Islamic fascists." Things were looking up. Perhaps official Washington did
> understand the threat, after all.
>
> But such analyses roused Muslim opposition and, as he approaches his
> political twilight, Mr. Bush has retreated to safer ground, reverting last
> week to decayed tropes that tiptoe around any mention of Islam. Instead, 
> he
> spoke inelegantly of "the great struggle against extremism that is now
> playing out across the broader Middle East" and vaguely of "a group of
> extremists who seek to use religion as a path to power and a means of
> domination."
>
> Worse, the speech drum-rolled the appointment of a U.S. special envoy to 
> the
> Organization of the Islamic Conference, directing this envoy to "listen to
> and learn from" his Muslim counterparts. But the OIC is a Saudi-sponsored
> organization promoting the Wahhabi agenda under the trappings of a
> Muslim-only United Nations. As counterterrorism specialist Steven Emerson
> has noted, Bush's dismal initiative stands in "complete ignorance of the
> rampant radicalism, pro-terrorist, and anti-American sentiments routinely
> found in statements by the OIC and its leaders."
>
> Adding to the event's accommodationist tone, some of the president's top
> female aides, including Frances Townsend and Karen Hughes, wore makeshift
> hijabs as they listened to him in the audience.
>
> Sitting in the front row at the Islamic Center on June 27, 2007, senior 
> Bush
> administration staffers Frances Townsend (left) and Karen Hughes wore
> makeshift hijabs.
>
> In brief, it feels like "déjà vu all over again." As columnist Diana West
> puts it, "Nearly six years after September 11 - nearly six years after 
> first
> visiting the Islamic Center and proclaiming 'Islam is peace' - Mr. Bush 
> has
> learned nothing." But we now harbor fewer hopes than in 2001 that he still
> can learn, absorb, and reflect an understanding of the enemy's Islamist
> nature.
>
> Concluding that he basically has failed to engage this central issue, we
> instead must look to Mr. Bush's potential successors and look for them to
> return to his occasional robustness, again taking up those difficult
> concepts of Islamic extremism, Shari'a, and the caliphate. Several
> Republicans - Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and (above all) Fred Thompson -
> are doing just that. Democratic candidates, unfortunately, prefer to 
> remain
> almost completely silent on this topic.
>
> Almost 30 years after Islamists first attacked Americans, and on the eve 
> of
> three major attempted terrorist attacks in Great Britain, the president's
> speech reveals how confused Washington 
> remains.http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=29035

Never mind.  The more the powerful leave out the
word "Muslim" the louder the rest of us hear it.

I am beginning to wonder if that is the intended
effect.  Muslims here are queuing up with more
condemnations of terror than we ever heard in
2005.  And we don't believe them!

Everybody condemns terror, most especially muslims. This is why I wonder why 
George Bush and his Jews embrace terror as a method of controlling the world




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Opponents frequently accuse George Bush of being in denial over Iraq. But in 
recent weeks the dire urgency of the situation, in both Baghdad and 
Washington, appears to have penetrated even the insulating layers normally 
enveloping the Oval Office.

The White House is increasingly alarmed at the widely shared expectation 
that the progress report to Congress in September by the Iraq commander, 
General David Petraeus, and the US ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, will 
mark the beginning of the end of the occupation.

The 29,000-strong military surge, ordered by Mr Bush in February, has 
already been written off as a failure, or not nearly successful enough, by 
many in Congress and beyond. With US casualties running at roughly double 
last year's level, pressure for withdrawal may become irresistible almost 
whatever Gen Petraeus says.

"The real debate is not about whether the US should pull out troops. That is 
now inevitable," said columnist EJ Dionne. "The real challenge is to figure 
out the right timetable, whether a residual force should be left there, and 
which American objectives can be salvaged."

According to foreign policy analysts Steven Simon and Ray Takeyh in the 
Washington Post, "what the US needs now is a guide to how to lose - how to 
start thinking about minimising the damage to American interests, saving 
lives, and ultimately wresting some good from this fiasco".

Nor is this defeatism or realism (depending on one's point of view) confined 
to Democrats and liberals. Richard Lugar led a charge against Mr Bush's 
policy last week by Republican senators who, like many of their House 
colleagues, are now convinced that the war is seriously harming both the 
country and their party's 2008 electoral prospects.

Mr Lugar said, in sum, that domestic divisions had already fatally 
undermined the surge. "The strident, polarised nature of this debate 
increases the risk that our involvement in Iraq will end in a poorly planned 
withdrawal that undercuts our vital interests."

Democrats, spurred on by polls showing that most Americans want out of Iraq 
and are impatient for Congress to act, are doing their best to exploit 
opposition doubts.

Senate majority leader Harry Reid, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will call 
a series of Iraq votes this month, on pullout timetables, continued funding, 
and length of combat tours, to force individual Republicans to show where 
they stand.

Members of both parties are meanwhile calling for a revival of the 
independent Iraq Study Group, whose findings last autumn were initially 
spurned by Mr Bush. At the same time, the anti-war movement is waging an 
"Iraq summer" campaign, targeting electorally vulnerable Republicans in 15 
states from Maine to Nevada.

Mr Lugar's broadside sent national security adviser Stephen Hadley scurrying 
up to Capitol Hill to rally the troops. Mr Bush's dawning realisation that 
he is on the brink of losing control of Iraq policy has prompted a series of 
other steps to regain the initiative.

Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, has started playing down the 
importance of the September reports, suggesting they will represent merely a 
snapshot of a work in progress. Gen Petraeus's second-in-command, General 
Raymond Odierno, suggested that to be successful, the surge may continue 
until next spring or even longer.

US-designated political benchmarks denoting progress by Iraq's government 
have largely not been met so far, although a draft oil law was reportedly 
agreed by the cabinet today. Mr Bush has taken to stressing instead that 
advances made at the local and provincial level are more important.

"We need to look at Iraq from the bottom up," he said at the Naval War 
College in Rhode Island last week. "This is where political reconciliation 
matters most, because it is where ordinary Iraqis are deciding whether to 
support the new Iraq." This looked like an attempt to pre-emptively excuse 
political failure in Baghdad.

Yet still trying to avoid a trainwreck - and demonstrating unaccustomed 
energy - the president is simultaneously personally cajoling and 
pressurising Iraq's leaders, holding frequent teleconferences with prime 
minister Nouri al-Maliki to check on benchmark progress. A stream of senior 
administration officials has been sent to Baghdad. Discarding its usual 
secretiveness, the White House is trying to ensure these contacts receive 
wide publicity - to show at least that it is trying.

A "desperate" Mr Bush is "running out of time" at home and in Iraq, said 
veteran commentator David Broder. His attempt to avoid a September showdown 
with Congress looks likely to fail. What the upshot of that showdown will be 
is still in doubt.

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Belated realization: US is not us


Democracy in America, as imperfect as it has always been, is now a totally 
lost art. We have allowed democracy to be buried, and it won't be long 
before Capital starts asking us to bury what's left of our liberty and 
freedoms, says Ben Tanosborn.


Some people's intellectual and emotional makeup simply cannot serve as 
lightening rod for an epiphany. To be recipient of such sudden intuitive 
realization, something close to a spiritual revelation, you need to be a 
person of faith at ease with the theological realm; and that, some of us are 
not.

Two years ago on this celebration of our nation's independence, the title 
for my column was, "US is just us. all of us." Today, not as the result of 
an epiphany but rumination of raw reality during these two years, I've come 
to the realization that "US is not us."

The hope-ever-eternal that circulated in me, as if self-renewing plasma that 
oxygenated and fed a life in search of social justice inside me, has thinned 
to the point where there are no nutrients left, only waste. And without that 
hope that made the small-case "us" take on the capital stature of "US," a 
slow brutal reality did come home to roost. "US" is definitely not "us," 
belonging to the power-elite and its parasitic economic-sycophant class - 
the Republican Base if you need to ask. We, the "us" left, although a 
super-majority in numbers, are insignificant and powerless.

This erosional and emotional change of heart has been long in coming, and 
one not welcomed with open arms. You just don't turn off the faucet of hope; 
you let it flow of its own accord until it becomes a trickle, then a drip, 
and then. nothing; it's all dry.

For many I am sure, and I include myself in this group, the United States 
always stood as a safe harbor next to a turbulent sea of social injustice, 
waving a flag of democracy. Most of us knew the limits and shortcomings of 
that work-in-progress we referred to as democracy, and were willing to live 
with an imperfect government, reminding those who constantly challenged our 
naiveté that our goal was to perfect this defective, unfinished democracy 
project. And small "us" - demos, we-the-people - held on to the dream.

But it's high time that we wake up, that we see US in capital letters not as 
a nation that belongs to us, but the master we are working for. Those 
capital letters stand exactly for that: Capital. and the supreme and total 
power that capital buys, steals or captures.

Two years ago I was, in an act of desperation, casting the blame for all our 
domestic and international ills on us and not on Bush "The Younger"; or 
Cheney and his gang of neocons; or the industrial-military complex and 
Rumsfeld's Pentagon; or the oil barons and other energy moguls; or our 
Tweedledee and Tweedledum politicians; or religious groups, no matter how 
powerful or influential. The blame, I wrote, is all ours.

And I did cast the blame on all of us for the lack of rage and indignation 
to everything which had been going for so long. Allowing the launching of a 
war of choice without protest; allowing inhumanity to take place (Abu 
Ghraib, Guantanamo. everywhere) under the Stars and Stripes; accepting a 
self-censured, self-serving American press.

Two Fourth-of-Julys and a national election have taken place since I wrote 
that piece, and nothing much has changed in the nation. But I have. I have 
stopped looking for democracy knowing full well that it isn't near to be 
seen, that this isn't the government of the people, but the government of 
Capital.

I wrote then, as a warning wrapped in a glimmer of hope, that "America has 
always been the hoped-for utopia for free people with a heart. but of late 
we've dropped asking questions of our government, of us. If we insist on 
carrying on with this sheep mentality, and allow the corrosion of our 
conscience, of our soul, we may turn this land into a dystopia. a nation in 
self-imposed captivity and certain decline."


Democracy in America, as imperfect as it has always been, is now a totally 
lost art. Choices placed before us at the polls are not really choices of 
the people, but choices of Capital - of those who have the power and wealth 
in our "free society." We have allowed democracy to be buried, and it won't 
be long before Capital starts asking us to bury what's left of our liberty 
and freedoms; except, of course, the freedom to consume.

Americans have always taking the posture that their government as bad and 
imperfect as it might be; it's still the best around. A fool's consolation 
even if it were true, which is not!

Yes, I am convinced. the US is definitely not us, the people. And on this 
Fourth, I hope some jingoist knucklehead doesn't tell me to go and live 
somewhere else. This is the only place that, for better or for worse, I can 
call home. and that I can help change.


© 2007 Ben Tanosborn




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"Jason P"  wrote in message 
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> There are Talmudic references made of a Jewish community dating back
> in Bahrain, as well as references in Arabic texts to a Jewish presence
> in Hajar during Mohammed's time.
Wow, some discovery! I am the giver of the good news, the Nejdi, Wahabbi 
clan ruling Saudi Arabia now are the descendants of the
originalMedina jews!
>
> Bahrain has a Jewish community of over fifty people, and is the only
> Gulf state with a synagogue.

There are synagogues all over the Arab world. Cairo has several of 
them,including the oldest synagogue in Middle East, and the oldest cemetry 
where Maimonides himself is buried! There is an operating synagogue in 
Alexandria, where hundreds of Jews visit every day.

Arabs do not discriminate against jews, it is the other way around 




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 FRE AMERICA FROM THE BLOODY JEWS! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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If we believe the corporate media, the dark under current of Islamic 
extremism, and that of the "al-Qaeda" database, is so strong it was able to 
sweep up promising neurologist Mohammed Asha, who became a would-be 
terrorist apparently more adept at brain surgery than cooking up bombs.

According to the cheesy British tabloid the Mirror, however, Asha and his 
wife, Marwah, are your garden variety Palestinian terrorists, the sort who 
throw away their lives, including an infant son, Anas, due to a 
self-destructive "hate against the West over Palestine.. The couple, from 
Palestinian families, blamed Britain and the US for backing Israel's 
'occupation', relatives said." According to Asha's father Yunis Dana, the 
couple "aren't the type to be interested in political Islam," so it remains 
a mystery why they would team up with so-called Muslim radicals. As well, 
Marwah was radicalized because people made fun or her veil.

For some reason, though, Mohammed Asha assisted people he supposedly hates. 
"Dan Robinson, 61, a retired museum keeper, said Dr Asha visited his home in 
Newcastle-under-Lyme when his 83-year-old mother suffered leg problems," 
reports the Daily Express. "Dr Asha was a good neighbor. My mother thought 
he was great. We can't get our heads round it," Robinson told the newspaper. 
Asha senior "said his son arrived in London in 2004 with his lab technician 
wife Marwah, 27. They settled in well in Britain and were happy with their 
lives," but apparently not happy enough, as they supposedly conspired to 
kill Brits, never mind they did not know the first thing about bomb-making.

In Canada, the story of the failed British and Scottish terrorist plot gets 
an extra added dimension. "Just three weeks after ABC's Brian Ross broke an 
exclusive story including video evidence that some 300 recruits had been 
sent off on suicide missions to the west following an enmasse 'graduation 
ceremony', came the failed London and Glasgow bombings," reports the Canada 
Free Press, citing the UK Daily Mail. Of course, the Canada Free Press has 
absolutely no evidence of this so-called "connection," and in fact headlines 
its "story" (as in speculative fiction) as a question-"Al Qaeda, Suicide 
Bombers: Failed terrorist attacks overseas linked to June's graduating 
suicide bomber class in Pakistan?"-but then, naturally, when it comes to 
"al-Qaeda," no evidence is required. Here in the United States, large 
numbers of Americans will believe almost anything, as the fact millions of 
Americans believe to this day Saddam had something to do with the attacks of 
September 11, 2001, thanks to incessant corporate media repetition of this 
lie.

Another medical student, Bilal Abdullah, on the other hand, threw away his 
life because he "was radicalized by the influence of Iraq's al-Qaeda chief 
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," the phantom one-legged terrorist, alternately 
described as retarded and a terrorism mastermind. "He actively cheered the 
death of British and American troops. One of his best friends had been 
killed by Shias," Shiraz Maher, supposedly a friend, told the Mirror. 
Abdullah subscribed to "an al-Qaeda ideology. He had a number of videos by 
al-Zarqawi. The aims were something he closely identified with," that it to 
say Bilal Abdullah identified with a CIA-ISI contrived ideology.

According to Medical News Today, citing the BBC, no less than eight would-be 
terrorists involved in the London and Glasgow incidents "have links with the 
British National Health Service," in other words the average Brit should be 
afraid, very afraid, as the medical system in Britain is rife with 
"al-Qaeda" and Palestinian terrorists. Of course, this is nonsense, but it 
sure plays well in the UK Mirror, a market check-out tabloid unable to admit 
the obvious-Israel does indeed "occupy" the West Bank and Gaza, in violation 
of international law.

As it turns out, however, the London and Glasgow bomb fumblers were 
"watched" by Britain's master terror organization, MI5. "Several doctors 
arrested over the London and Glasgow car bomb plot were on the files of 
MI5," reports the UK Telegraph. "At least one was on a Home Office watch 
list after being identified by security services-meaning their travel in and 
out of Britain was monitored by immigration officers.. Others were found to 
be on the MI5 database, which contains an estimated 2,000 suspected 
jihadists or supporters of terrorism."

Recall that Mohammed Siddique Khan, the alleged ringleader of the 7/7 London 
bombings, was working for British intelligence agency MI5 as an informant at 
the time of the attacks, according to Charles Shoebridge, a 12-year veteran 
detective of the London Metropolitan Police.

Moreover, as Paul Joseph Watson notes, "the British security services were 
intimately involved in numerous terror attacks in Britain over the past few 
decades, namely car bombings, that were blamed on the IRA or its offshoots."

And then there is the strange case of Abu Qatada, "a Muslim cleric believed 
by several European countries to be a pivotal figure in international 
terrorism," according to the Guardian, who "disappeared from his west London 
home . before a round up of alleged terrorist suspects. It was rumored that 
he had fled abroad." However, according to "senior members of European 
intelligence services," Abu Qatada was "fed and clothed by British 
intelligence," that is to say he was protected as an asset.

"Relatives of two brothers suspected of plotting a terrorist bombing outrage 
in Britain today made extraordinary claims that they were visited by an MI5 
agent in the weeks before they were arrested," the Scotsman reported on 
April 1, 2004. "The eight suspects, all British citizens and Muslims, were 
held under the Terrorism Act as police found half a ton of ammonium nitrate 
fertilizer which they believe could have been used in a devastating blast."

Finally, it appears Bisher al-Rawi, sweating it out in Camp Gitmo, claims 
"he acted as a go-between for British intelligence and an alleged leading 
member of al-Qa'ida in London," according to London Independent. "Mr. Rawi 
claimed he had acted as an intermediary between Abu Qatada, a Palestinian 
refugee, and MI5. He named three MI5 agents, 'Alex', 'Matthew' and 'Martin', 
and asked for them to be called as defense witnesses. Although the tribunal 
agreed, the British Government refused to allow them to give evidence."

None of this, however, means diddly, as the corporate media rarely if ever 
mentions such suspicious connections and, as in the case of the previous 
example, these stories often find their way to the memory hole, or rather 
the "500 Internal Server Error" hole. Of course, the story of the "al-Qaeda" 
patsies, neurologists and well-educated medical students, clueless when it 
comes to making bombs-while no shortage of bored teenagers are able to do so 
using household chemicals-is not intended to be believable but rather is 
designed to augment the incessant corporate media campaign to demonize 
Muslims, part and parcel of the "clash of civilizations," that it to say the 
plan to attack Muslim and Arab countries, kill their grandmothers and 
toddlers, and balkanize the region, as long ago planned.




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 5, 12:53 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> "The reality on the ground is that there has not been any new
> Jewish construction in the entire Judea and Samaria region
> for years. The Arabs on the other hand, freely build houses
> everywhere without having the need to ask for permits; they
> illegally take over land that belongs to the State of Israel

What fucking state of Israel, are you talking about babe? It is
finished, kaput!



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On Jul 5, 11:41 am, ADL Reporter  wrote:
> http://antidefamationleague.us/#public_service

That is real funny; "enforcement", of what? There is no law here any
more!



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On Jul 5, 10:42 am, HHW  wrote:
> Israel Shahak
> Belsen survivor who attacked Israel's treatment of Palestinians
>
> Elfi Pallis
> Guardian
>
> Friday July 6, 2001
>
> Israel Shahak, who has died aged 68 from complications caused by
> diabetes, was for 25 years a highly popular professor of organic
> chemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. But during the same
> period, Shahak, an old-fashioned liberal, was also chairman of the
> Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights. As such he was accused of
> being an "Israel hater", was spat at in the streets, and received
> constant death threats.
>
> Shahak was the youngest child of a prosperous, cultured Polish Jewish
> family; when, during the wartime Nazi occupation of Poland, the family
> was forced into the Warsaw ghetto, his father even sought out a chess
> tutor for his son. But soon the family was torn apart. Shahak's older
> brother escaped and joined the Royal Air Force, only to be shot down;
> Shahak's father disappeared and the hiding of fair-haired Israel with
> a poor Catholic family ended when his mother could no longer pay for
> his keep.
>
> In 1943 both were deported to the Bergen Belsen concentration camp.
> Shahak was a starving 12-year-old when he was liberated. Soon
> afterwards, he emigrated to what was then British Mandate Palestine.
> After setbacks - he was rejected as "too weedy" when he volunteered
> for a kibbutz - he became a model citizen. After Israeli army service
> in an elite regiment, he became an assistant to Ernest Bergmann, the
> head of Israel's Atomic Energy Commission.
>
> Shahak underwent two major conversions in his life. Aged 13, he
> scientifically examined the evidence for the existence of God and
> found it wanting. Then, shortly after the l967 six-day war, he
> concluded from observation that Israel was not yet a democracy; it was
> treating the newly occupied Palestinians with shocking brutality.
>
> For the next three decades, he spent all his spare time on attempts to
> change this. He contributed to various small leftwing papers, but when
> this proved to have little impact, he decided to alert journalists,
> academics and human rights campaigners abroad. From his small, bare
> West Jerusalem flat poured forth reports with titles such as Torture
> in Israel, and Collective Punishment in the West Bank. Based
> exclusively on mainstream Israeli sources, all were painstakingly
> translated into English.
>
> World coverage gradually improved, but Shahak never let off, he never
> became blas=E9. Watching him read out a small news item about an Israeli
> farmer who had set his dogs on a group of Palestinian children was to
> see a man in almost physical distress.
>
> Shahak came to believe that these human rights incidents stemmed from
> Israel's religious interpretation of Jewish history, which led it to
> ignore centuries of Arab life in the country, and to disregard non-
> Jewish rights. Confiscation, every schoolchild was told, was "the
> redemption of the land" from those who did not belong there. To
> Shahak, this was straightforward racism, damaging both sides. It was a
> minority view, but after the 1982 war, when the Israeli liberal sector
> grew, Shahak was able to put it forward in the reputable daily
> Ha'aretz. After retiring in 1991, he could also turn his ideas into
> books.
>
> Jewish History, Jewish Religion (Pluto Press, 1994), studied the
> attitudes to non-Jews held by Israel's religious establishment. Shahak
> also emphasised the fate decreed for Jewish heretics: death. Shortly
> after the book appeared, Premier Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by an
> Orthodox student.
>
> Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, (Pluto Press, 1999) written with
> Norton Mezvisky, looked at the growing power of rightwing orthodox
> groups. "A fundamentalist Jewish regime, if it came to power in
> Israel," Shahak warned, "would treat Israeli Jews who did not accept
> its tenets worse than it would treat Palestinians."
>
> To reverse this process, Shahak gave up most things, including
> marriage and a family. A great music lover, he allowed himself one
> concert or opera visit per year. He was fond of philosophy and had
> started writing a book on Spinoza earlier this year, but passed most
> evenings scanning local newspapers. Despite his criticisms, he
> remained fiercely proud of the country's free press.
>
> Having been urged to write his autobiography, Shahak only found time
> to write a superb piece on his childhood under Nazism for the New York
> Review of Books. In it he recalled listening to some Polish workmen
> talking during his days on the gentile side of Warsaw. Discussing the
> situation, one young man had defended the Germans by pointing out that
> they were ridding Poland of the Jews, only to be rebuked by an older
> labourer: "So, are they not also human beings?" It is a phrase Israel
> Shahak never forgot.
>
> Israel Shahak, academic, human rights campaigner, born April 28 1933;
> died July 2 2001

I am very proud to have met Shahak at Ottawa University. He is the
greatest Jew that ever lived. He followed the Commandments  to the
letter and helped people in need irrespective or their faith or
origin. It is sad that Israel did not follow the advice of great man
like him. If they did there would be no conflicte between Palestinians
and the Jews anywhere! I guess Israel did not want peace!



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 YOU CAN BOTH KISS MUSLIM ARSE WHENEVER YOU ARE READY!



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On Jul 5, 10:48 am, jgarbuz  wrote:
> On Jul 4, 11:43 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> >  FRE AMERICA FROM THE BLOODY JEWS!<
>
> The bloody Jews helped build the country that you Muslim shit are now
> in the process of tearing down.

YEAH, I SAW A JEWISH BRICKLAYER BUILDING THE SEARS TOWER! FUCK OFF!



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 5, 10:49 am, jgarbuz  wrote:
> On Jul 5, 3:54 am, "Binyamin Cramer" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JBgarbuz"  wrote in message
>
> >news:468bad9a$0$23226$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
> > > "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote in message
> > >news:0bGdnYGiK8yBGhbbnZ2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > >>  wrote in message
> > >>news:1183548100.896278.288070@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > Prime Minister's Office: Now its Schalit's turn to be freed
> > >> > AP and jpost.com staff
> > >> > 18 Tamuz 5767, Wednesday, July 4, 2007 14:14 IST |
>
> > >> > AP Photo/caption:
> > >> > BBC reporter Alan Johnston removes a sash with the Palestinian flag
> > >> > given to him by deposed Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail
> > >> > Haniyeh of Hamas during a news conference in Gaza City, Wednesday.
>
> > >> > In the wake of BBC reporter Alan Johnston's release in the Gaza Strip,
> > >> > the Prime Minister's Office issued a statement Wednesday calling for
> > >> > the release of captured IDF soldier Cpl. Gilad Schlait.
>
> > >> > "Israel demands that soldier Gilad Schalit, who was abducted
>
> > >> Wrong. Not abducted at all. Captured is the truth of it. AND on Lebanon's
> > >> side of the border. You wallow in lies shoveari.<
>
> > > Shalit is captive in GAZA, moron! You wallow in hogshit along with the
> > > rest
> > > of  you stupid pigs.
>
> > They all look the same to me, Ikey.<
>
> You caucasians all look alike to me too.

SHALIT SHOULD BE DELIVERED TO JEWS WITH A STICK OF DYNAMITE STUCK UP
HIS ARSE



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On Jul 5, 7:56 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
> The day after Hamas gained the release of a  BBC Reporter kidnapped in
> Gaza, the IDF showed its stuff by shooting a reporter, and then in a
> demonstration of just how immoral the Israeli Army is, they took pot
> shots at the wounded reporter as he lay already horribly wounded from
> theri reckless fire.   IDF propagandists in

Israelis are fascist thugs , They are far worse, far more brutal than
any German Nazi ever was.



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On Jul 5, 5:49 pm, Adhikar UK  wrote:
> London Olympics Organising Committee has man linked to fundamentalism
> on their Board with the Princess Royal
>
> Adhikar, an organisation of British Asians advocating civil liberties,
> has asked for the urgent removal of Dr Mohammed Abdul Bari from the
> board of the London 2012 Organising Committee (LOCOG) as he has been
> reported to have praised and welcomed the work of Muslims who hold
> extremist and fundamentalist views.

That justifies, burying you ZioNazi garbage deep under while you are
still alive, since you are the most despeakable fundamentalist garbage
on the face of this Earth!



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On Jul 5, 6:53 pm, "L Alpert"  wrote:
> floresriki...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 1:14 pm, snakehawk  wrote:
> >> On Jul 5, 11:53 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> >>> "The reality on the ground is that there has not been any new
> >>> Jewish construction in the entire Judea and Samaria region
> >>> for years.
>
> >> WARNING!  The reality on the ground is that the Jews are lying again.
>
> > Hell, it's what they're most known for.
>
> Nah, we're known for giving orders to goyim slime.

And I always wondered why Hitler wanted you scum out of Germany!



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From: "ElParedon" 
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The Spanish customs service found 1,085 guns and pistols on a ship making 
its way from Israel to Nicaragua during a routine inspection of the ship 
while it was docking in Algeciras in southern Spain.


The container was confiscated by the Spanish authorities, and the ship was 
later permitted to set sail.


The ship's bill of customs noted that the ship was carrying air rifles.


The weapons container was found on the vessel Maersk Detroit, which set out 
>from Haifa and was headed for the Managua Port in Nicaragua, via the US.


Local security personnel confirmed the report, but failed to indicate the 
number of weapons found.


Following the September 11 terror attack, the US issued an instruction 
requiring all cargo ships headed for the US to stop at the Spanish port and 
undergo an inspection before continuing on their journey.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3421317,00.html


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Nicaragua Denies Onus of Weapons Seized

Managua, Jul 5 (Prensa Latina) Nicaraguan Police and Army denied their 
responsibility for a cargo of weapons made in Israel, seized in Spain's Port 
Algeciras, with the Central American nation as final destination.


Spokespersons of both institutions told press separately on Thursday that 
none of the armed bodies have taken actions to buy armament in Israel.

We have absolutely nothing to do with that, the Nicaraguan Armed Force 
spokesman, Col. Adolfo Zepeda asserted, while his colleague, National Police 
Commissioner Alonso Sevilla also declared that there is no weapons request.

The spokesmen also ratified the willingness of both institutions to 
cooperate with the investigation of the supposed international operation of 
arms traffic, if the Spanish authorities make such a request.

The arms cache, with some 400 pistols of different calibers, 300 shotguns, 
and 385 rifles, was found in Algeciras on Wednesday during a routine 
inspection.

The ship's bill of lading registered a compressed-air carbine cargo in the 
container, with Managua as destination.

The ship, which was coming from Haifa, Israel, was scheduled for a stop at a 
US port before continuing its trip to Nicaragua.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B9B5A78F6-0DF2-4F73-B3F0-596C7A6D1E53%7D)&language=EN


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Interceptado en el Puerto de Algeciras (Cádiz) un contenedor con más de un 
millar de armas procedentes de Israel

Comenta esta noticia (0)

04/07/2007 23:18:49


La Guardia Civil ha intervenido en el Puerto de Algeciras (Cádiz) más unas 
1.1OO armas en un contenedor que procedía de Israel y que se dirigía hacia 
Managua (Nicaragua), según informó la Guardia Civil y el delegado del 
Gobierno en Andalucía, Juan José López Garzón.

Concretamente, en el contenedor se encontraron 100 pistolas del calibre 9 
milímetros Parabellum, 200 de calibre 22, 100 más de calibre 7,65, 305 
escopetas de caza y 386 carabinas del calibre 22, además de otras 310 
carabinas de aire comprimido.

En la documentación del contenedor --que llegó al puerto de Algeciras a 
bordo del portacontenedores 'Maersk Detroit'--- se señalaba que éste 
contenía armas de aire comprimido, sin embargo, agentes de la Guardia Civil, 
tras efectuar un detenido reconocimiento del mismo, a través del Scanner CSI 
(Iniciativa de Contenedor Seguro), de la aduana de Algeciras, comprobaron 
que en su interior había armas de diferente tipología a la declarada.

Algunas de las armas intervenidas poseían señalamiento 'Schengen' por 
sustracción, por lo que la Oficina de Análisis e Investigación Fiscal 
(Odaifi) de la Compañía de Especialistas Fiscales de la Guardia Civil está 
realizando gestiones para averiguar la procedencia de las armas y quiénes 
son los presuntos responsables del envío de armas.

La operación, que se encuadra en el marco de las actuaciones de control y 
análisis de riesgo en movimiento de mercancías transportadas por 
contenedores que se lleva a cabo en la Aduana de Algeciras, continúa 
abierta, no descartándose la detención de los presuntos autores en los 
próximos días. Las diligencias, así como la mercancía intervenida, han 
quedado a disposición de la Autoridad Judicial competente.

http://noticias.geomundos.com/noticia-interceptado-en-el-puerto-de-algeciras-cadiz-un-contenedor-con-mas-de-un-millar-de-armas-procedentes-de-israel_9813.html 




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"xolodilnik"  wrote in message 
news:Gm3ji.2340$OQ4.1965@newsfe12.lga...
>
> "captain."  wrote in message 
> news:%m%ii.14991$Io4.6756@edtnps89...
>> horosho.

Ochen horosho!Putin and Russia have come along way, since the bloody Jews 
left for Israel! 




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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=5370

Holocaust Survivor Leaving US: "I've Seen This Before"

One of our neighbors is moving. I've been in this neighborhood for about six 
years now, but didn't really know them very well at all - just waves and 
nods, mostly.

So I heard the moving van pull up this morning. When I got home this evening 
I happened to spy my neighbor (he's like 85 years old - I don't know 
exactly, but he's old, talks and moves very slowly) standing on the sidewalk 
next to the van. I walked over and shook his hand, and we started talking. I 
asked him where he was moving, and he said, "Back to Germany."

I had been stationed in Germany for two years while in the military, so I 
lit up, and commented about how beautiful the country was, and inquired if 
he was going back because he missed it.

"No," he answered me. "I'm going back because I've seen this before." He 
then commenced to explain that when he was a kid, he watched with his family 
in fear as Hitler's government committed atrocity after atrocity, and no one 
was willing to say anything. He said the news refused to question the 
government, and the ones who did were not in the newspaper business much 
longer. He said good neighbors, people he had known all his life, turned 
against his family and other Jews, grabbing on to the hate and superiority 
"as if they were starved for it" (his words).

He said he was too old to see it happen right in front of his eyes again, 
and too old to do anything about it, so he was taking his family back to 
Europe on Thursday where they would be safe from George W. Bush and his 
neocons. He seemed resolute, but troubled, nonetheless, as if being too 
young on one end and too old on the other to fight what he saw happening was 
wearing on him.

I gotta tell you - it was chilling. I let him talk, and the whole time, my 
gut was churning, like I had mutated butterflies in my stomach. When he was 
finished, he shook my hand, gripping it really hard, until his knuckles 
turned white and he was shaking. He looked me in the eyes, hard, and said, 
"I will pray for your family and your country." He let go of my hand and 
hobbled away.

I have related this event to you in the hopes it will serve as a cautionary 
anecdote about the state of our Union, and to illustrate the path we 
Americans are being led down by a group of fanatics bent on global economic 
and military dominion. When a man who survived the fruits of fascism decides 
its time to leave THIS country because he's seeing the same patterns that 
led to the Holocaust and other Nazi horrors beginning to form here, it is 
time for us to recognize the underlying evil inherent in the actions of 
those who claim they work for all Americans, and for all mankind. And it is 
incumbent upon all Americans, Red and Blue, Republican and Democrat, to stop 
them.





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I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been a long-serving intelligence agent for 
Israel's Mossad, according to a veteran CIA "official cover" officer who 
spoke to WMR on deep background. The CIA's Clandestine Service has, over the 
years, gathered a tremendous amount of intelligence on Libby's activities on 
behalf of Mossad.

Libby served as the lawyer for Switzerland-based American fugitive financier 
Marc Rich, aka Mark David Reich, who is also known to be an Israeli 
intelligence asset and someone Israel relies upon for missions that demand 
"plausible deniability" on the part of the Mossad. Rich heads up a worldwide 
empire of dummy corporations, foundations, and numbered bank accounts that 
have been involved in sanctions busting and weapons smuggling. The nations 
involved include Israel, United States, United Kingdom, Iran, Panama, 
Colombia, Russia, Iraq (under Saddam Hussein), Cuba, Spain, Nigeria, 
Singapore, Bolivia, Jamaica, Bermuda, France, Italy, East Germany, 
Czechoslovakia, Austria, Kazakhstan, Philippines, Australia, Argentina, 
Peru, Ireland, Zambia, Sweden, Monaco, and apartheid South Africa.


In 1983, the then-U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York urged 
jail time for Rich and his partner Pincus Green for racketeering. The name 
of that U.S. Attorney is Rudolph Giuliani. Giuliani, who is now running for 
president, praised Bush's decision to commute Libby's jail sentence. After 
Clinton's pardon of Rich, Giuliani said he was "shocked." Paul Klebnikov, 
the Moscow editor for Forbes' Russian edition, wrote about the connections 
of Rich to Russian gangsters like Boris Berezovsky, a business partner of 
Neil Bush, in his book "Godfather of the Kremlin." Klebnikov was shot to 
death gangland-style on a Moscow street on July 9, 2004.

Libby not only provided the Mossad with a top agent inside the White House 
but also an important conduit for the Russian-Israeli Mafia.

Libby arranged for Rich's eleventh hour pardon by outgoing President Bill 
Clinton in January 2001. The pardon of Rich was urged in a phone call to 
Clinton by then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, as well as Shimon Peres 
and Ehud Olmert.

Yesterday, Libby received a commutation of his 30-month prison sentence from 
President George W. Bush. Libby was convicted on four counts of perjury, 
lying to a federal law enforcement officer, and obstruction of justice in 
the investigation by U.S. Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald of the White 
House's leak to the media of the identity CIA non-official cover officer 
Valerie Plame Wilson.

Libby was denied bail by U.S. Judge Reggie Walton and was ordered to prison 
while appealing his sentence. Libby was assigned Bureau of Prisons inmate 
number 28301-016.

Libby worked for Paul Wolfowitz in the State Department's Bureau of East 
Asian and Pacific Affairs from 1982 to 1985. Libby again worked for 
Wolfowitz in the Pentagon as the Principal Undersecretary for Strategy and 
Resources. Libby later became the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for 
Policy and served as a chief aide to Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.

It was while Libby was working for Wolfowitz at State, the FBI arrested 
Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, who had delivered enough highly-classified 
U.S. documents they could have entirely filled a garage. It was well known 
that Pollard had a "control officer" within the Reagan administration. The 
control officer was code-named "Mega."

Current British Lord Chancellor and former British Foreign Secretary Jack 
Straw said that during Middle East peace talks between Israel and the 
Palestinians, "It's a toss-up whether Libby is working for the Israelis or 
the Americans on any given day." Clinton's Deputy Attorney General Eric 
Holder told the House Government Affairs Committee in 2001 that he 
discovered much more about Rich after Clinton's pardon and said, "Knowing 
everything that I know now, I would not have recommended to the president 
that he grant the pardon."

It has also been reported that, in addition to pressure from leading neocons 
in the United States to keep Libby out of jail, Bush was urged by leading 
Israeli government officials to prevent Libby from going to prison.

Fitzgerald issued the following statement regarding Bush's commutation of 
Libby's prison sentence:

"We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation 
decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on 
the exercise of that prerogative.

We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence 
imposed by the judge as 'excessive.' The sentence in this case was imposed 
pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout 
this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered 
extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent 
with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all 
citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided 
the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.

Although the President's decision eliminates Mr. Libby's sentence of 
imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and 
we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals 
process."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com




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The Harring Report: America's Young Man's Meat Grinder

by Brian Harring, Domestic Intelligence Reporter   brianharring@yahoo.com

Note:  Viewers of TBR News who would like a copy of the original Department 
of Defense Supplemental Casualty lists from 2003 to mid-2005, showing 
facsimiles of the actual casualties, as opposed to the heavily redacted 
official listings, may write to Mr. Harring at brianharring@yahoo.com for a 
full copy of the original documents. This list is free of charge. As of 
April 18, 2007, Mr. Harring has sent out 25, 101 lists

Once it became evident that what had been expected to be a short, successful 
military campaign against Saddam Hussein had turned into a long drawn out 
and escalating guerilla war, the Department of Defense, acting on orders 
>from the White House, began to reduce the daily public casualty list. 
Families and survivors of the dead were duly notified and the bodies were 
shipped back to the States for private burial but the numbers of the dead, 
and the wounded, were deliberately kept as low as possible for political 
reasons.  For internal use only, a realistic, and accurate, monthly report 
was issued for those concerned but it was not made public. When this private 
report was located by outside sources and sent around the Internet, the site 
was immediately shut down.

This original listing showed that as of mid-2005, the death count in both 
Iraq and Afghanistan topped 10,000 with 20,000 seriously wounded.  By 2007, 
the death toll has risen to over 15,000 (and rising daily) with officially 
reported serious woundings (required out of theater hospitalization) at 
50,508 as per a report published in the New York Times of January 30, 2007.

Also not discussed are the over 10,000 desertions (from March, 2003 to date)

The Bush-Cheney Butchers Bill

Officially 79 military deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq from 1 April to 23 
April, 2007, with a total of 4,235 total official casualties to date.

Official Casualty Lists for April, 2007




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 wrote in message 
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> ********************************************************************
> You are invited to join Women in Green's first ever, all inclusive,
> guided tour to the center of the struggle for Israel's heartland.
> Don't just read about what's going on in Judea and Samaria, see
> everything with your own eyes and meet the real people who are
> standing firm against those who want to surrender parts of our
> Holy Land.

FUCK YEAH! "YOUR" HOLY LAND! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "HHW"  wrote in message 
> news:1183653648.450717.176100@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I do definitely question your patriotism--
>
> That is because you are an anti-semitic prick,

And who is the "semitic prick"? You? You are a fucking Ustasha, Jew never 
had an enemy like and Ustasha 




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"Ed"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1183656370.370427.171100@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 5, 1:06 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "HHW"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1183653648.450717.176100@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > I do definitely question your patriotism--
>>>
>>> That is because you are an anti-semitic prick,
>>
>> Oh, Doodoo speaks!  Everyone get their pens and paper!!!!!!!..LOL!
>>
>>> with no loyalty to the U.S. or the principles that it was founded on.
>>
>> Doodoo, America wasn't founded on the fascist principles of
>> ZioNaziism.
>
> Not a problem, since there is no such thing as "ZioNaziism."

YES THERE IS! THAT IS WHAT YOU FUCKING ZIONISTS ARE, ZIONAZIS! 




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 > No, so they can have a chance at a better life.  And, by the way, it's
> the Hamas thugs that are murdering the Palestinians these days, not
> the Israelis.
  FUCKING LYING BASTARD! TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS ARE BEING 
TORTURED IN ZIONAZI GULAGS, YOU FILTHY SCUM! 




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 > And there is no evidence that the zionists are practicing anything 
remotely
> resembling Naziism, and you know it.

NAZISM IS APARTHEID, NAZISM IS TORTURE, NAZISM IS 800 SLAUGHTERED 
PALESTINIAN CHILDREN, NAZISM IS DESTRUCTION OF LEBANON, JEWS ARE CLOSEST 
THING TO HITLER'S SS, YOU CAN FIND!z
>
> Why do you think Palestinians are dying to get to live in Israel?
ONE DAY THEY WILLPAY YOU BACK YOU WATCH!

Why do
> you suppose that Israeli Arabs consider themselves to be better off than 
> they would be in any Arab country?
BECAUSE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER KEEPS GIVING THE MONEY TO ZIONAZIS!
 




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 >> HE IS A PRISONER OF WAR AND SHOULD BE TREATED JUST THE WAY ZIONAZIS
>> TREAT PALESTINIANS IN THEIR GULAGS
>> , TOGETHER WITH TORTURE, HUNGER AND THREATENING TO KILL HIM!<
>
> He should be so lucky. The Palestinian captives in Israel are all
> getting college degrees in prison, thanks to the Israeli taxpayer. I
> wish my son had stayed in Israel to go to prison there. He has had to
> sign up for the US Navy for 5 years to get the money to eventually go
> to college.
 IS SOMEBODY STOPPING HIM FROM ATTENDING COLLEGE IN THE ISRAELI GULAG? 




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"L Alpert"  wrote in message 
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> HHW wrote:
>> Read this, damn it! Isn't it by now beginning to sound familiar?
>> That's because it's the truth. Those who continue to deny it don't
>> give a damn what happens to the United States and don't understand how
>> vulnerable Israel actually is. And what's it all about? A tiny scrap
>> of wasteland called the West Bank. That and greed and arrogance.
>> Basta!
>
> Keep flailing away, goy.  We have your number.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO SUCK HIS BANANA? 




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"L Alpert"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>> news:1183543184.144112.321060@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 4, 1:18 am, HHW  wrote:
>>>> Read this, damn it! Isn't it by now beginning to sound familiar?
>>>
>>> Your rehashed spew of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion has become
>>> overly familiar, and boringly so.
>>>
>>> Get an education.
>>>
>>> Deborah
>> The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are precisely followed to the
>> letter by the ZioNazis of the world!

It is very easy to check it off one by one starting from page one ZioNazis 
have not missed any of the dictates of the Protocols! 




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Subject: 911, TERRORIST PLAN DEVISED BY PENTAGON IN 1976
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The Perfect Terrorist Plan

To Level The Twin Towers

Created In 1976

By Greg Szymanski

Exclusive to American Free Press

3-19-5

Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the 
WTC
using commercial airliners and box cutters as weapons.

The laundry list of terrorist warnings handed to the Bush administration 
prior
to 9/11 makes the President and others look like "bumbling idiots or a bunch 
of
conniving criminals" responsible for the mass murders at the Twin Towers and 
in
Afghanistan and Iraq.

These are the harsh words of Timothy McNiven, an outspoken critic of the
President's handling of 9/11 and a 29-year U.S. Defense Department operative
still under contract with the government.

He says not only did the Bush administration purposely ignore Al Q'aida in 
the
months preceding the WTC attacks, but the situation is even more disturbing,
considering his military unit way back in 1976 devised a mock terrorist 
attack
of the Twin Towers exactly like what occurred on 9/11.

McNiven, who first went public in an affidavit included in a 9/11-related
federal conspiracy (RICO) lawsuit filed against Bush and others in 2004, 
claims
his unit was ordered to create the "perfect terrorist plan" using commercial
airliners as weapons and the Twin Towers as their target.

The publicized version of the study, commissioned by Congress, was to 
identify
security lapses and submit corrective measures to lawmakers. However, 
McNiven
claims the real purpose of the study was to brainstorm how to pull off the
perfect terrorist attack using the exact same 9/11 scenario.

The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army,
stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario 
of
the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial
airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security.

To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector
test regarding his participation in the study as well as other specific 
orders
given to him by his superiors in case of a real attack on the Twin Towers.

The head of the 1976 mock terrorist plan was Lt. Michael Teague of Long 
Island,
who McNiven says was given specific orders by higher-ups in the military to 
use
the Twin Towers as the terrorist target.

McNiven said he has been unable to contact Lt. Teague, but was interested in
his opinion now that "the 9/11 attacks happened the way we planned them in
1976."

"I remember Lt. Teague changed the scenario of the supposed study from a 100
story building to the Twin Towers," recalled McNiven, emphasizing that Lt.
Teague was acting on specific orders from unknown superiors.

"He then said he thought it was very strange to be asked to devise a plan to
blow up your own home town. But as I watched the Twin Towers really collapse 
on
the morning of September 11th, I realized I was watching the very same thing 
we
devised in the 1976."

Since that ominous realization, McNiven has devoted his entire life to 
alerting
the American public about the similarities between 9/11 and the 1976 study
without much success, his story basically being ignored by politicians and 
the
mainstream media.

"Why am I doing this? Why have I spent every waking hour trying to bring 
this
story to the American people?" asked McNiven, claiming he still is following 
a
strange direct military order given to him more than 25 years ago.

"During the course of the terrorist plan we were devising, I made the 
statement
to Lt. Teague that if the WTC was ever attacked like we planned, I'd go 
public.
I was then physically assaulted and told never to reveal anything we were 
doing
regarding the Twin Towers."

However, about a week later a strange turn of events occurred. For no 
apparent
reason, McNiven claims his superiors completely changed their minds.

"I was given the direct order that if the Twin Towers were ever attacked the
way we discussed in the 1976 study, I was to do everything in my power to 
bring
the similarities to the attention of the American people.

"I have no idea why they changed their minds, but I was then emphatically 
told
that this order was never to be rescinded - never - because those who would
rescind it, would be the very same people who turned against the American
people."

Besides taking a lie detector to verify his story, McNiven has made public a
detailed list of about 40 names of those individuals who took part in the 
mock
terrorist plan, including Col. Robert Morrison, Maj. Joe Dipiero, Sgt.
Middleton, Sgt. Arroyo and many others.

"There were also people from the Defense Department and the CIA who were
monitoring the study, but I wasn't able to get their names," he added.

Some of McNiven's most recent assignments with the Defense Department 
include
work on the Northwest Drug Task Force and various other drug smuggling and
weapons trafficking cases.

March 9, 2005

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street 
and
lynch us." (George H.W. "Poppy" Bush)

Support American Free Press

Comment

>From Carl f. Worden

wolfeyes@hisurfer.net

3-21-5

Folks, I normally don't pass this kind of information on. I hate hoaxes and
hoaxers, and I do not suggest the following information is true. However, 
most
Internet hoaxes do not provide names or any kind of verifiable facts 
because,
well, the story is bogus to begin with, and the hoaxer doesn't want to give 
you
the tools by which to prove it bogus... Duh. That's why I always hit the 
delete
button the moment I see that the source of some BS story has to remain
anonymous for whatever the reason, and every last one of them has turned out 
to
be bogus!

This information is rife with verifiable -- or bogus -- name and fact
information. Much of the information presented here can be verified -- or
disproved -- by telephone. The construction of the Twin Towers was completed 
in
January 1972. In 1972 I was still with Circus Vargas and flying commercially 
on
average about every two days. Back then, the big deal was airlines being
hijacked to Cuba. Airport metal detectors often didn't work, so the security
staff just pretended like they did. But overall, getting a gun onto an 
airplane
even in 1976 wasn't a problem if you knew what you were doing, and I packed
heat on every flight. Also, even in 1976, nobody gave much thought to terror 
or
terrorist strikes in the U.S. because terrorism wasn't even being reported 
much
on an international scale at the time.

Sooo, according to this story, the U.S. Army devised a 1976 study on the
premise of a terrorist takeover of airliners using box cutters to attack the
Twin Towers that had only been completed 4 years before? Who needed box 
cutters
in 1976 when you could get a gun on board with little trouble? That bugs me 
a
little, but I'm still interested in knowing more.

So, without any further fanfare, here's the Rense article (above) that was
forwarded to me. Your feedback is welcome, especially if you are able to 
verify
any or all of this.

Carl F. Worden

The Perfect Terrorist Plan To Level The Twin Towers Created In 1976

http://www.rense.com/general63/TWIN.HTM

American Free Press | March 20 2005

Comment: If completely confirmed 100% then this is THE smoking gun, over and
above Northwoods, the NORAD stand down, the explosives in the buildings, any
other piece of 9/11 evidence. It's going to be interesting to see how they 
pass
this one off as a 'coincidence' - we need to get this on newswires 
immediately.
This is the straw that could break the camel's back.




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:RVXii.14164$09.13416@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> AMERICA
>
> stands for freedom, you shitty little man.
AND GUANTANAMO, AND ABU GHRAIB, AND CAMP BUCCA, AND FALLUJAH MASSACRE, AND 
RAPE, AND TORTURE,AND ZIONAZI CLUSTER BOMBS!
> 




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Smoking gun secret audio tape found proving a government conspiracy to cause 
9/11! Below is the transcript:

-"Hey guys. You know, we need to invade Iraq.

-Uhm, OK.

-But to get everyone behind that, we need to create a new Pearl Harbor, so 
we need some really disastrous attack that creates huge casualties and 
damage. So let's attack the World Trade Center September 11, 2001, and maybe 
some other places and kill thousands of Americans.

- Woo hoo!

- Now, if you agree, this means that we're engaged in a conspiracy to commit 
mass murder on an unprecedented scale as well as treason. Are you in?

- Uh, what's in it for us, since if one of us leaks this and we're caught, 
we could be executed and our entire political cause discredited?

-You'll be supporting our political agenda! And maybe we can make some money 
in military stocks.

-Oh, OK. That's worth possibly dying for. So what's the plan?

- For one thing, we're going to have hijack four jumbo jets fly two of them 
at full speed into the Twin Towers.

- Wow, that would sure upset a lot of people. OK.

- No, that's not all. Since we don't know whether that's destructive enough, 
and we want to be as destructive as possible, we're going to plant 
explosives in the buildings to bring them down in case the planes don't do 
the job.

- Hmm. So that would involve WTC security and maintenance, since obviously 
we wouldn't want the explosives to be discovered.

- No problem. We have that covered. President Bush's brother, Marvin, once 
was a director of a security company that managed WTC security until 1998. 
He belonged to a committee that oversaw the company's pensions, so I'm sure 
he's got security connections.

- Wait. 1998? That's three years before 2001. And he dealt with pensions? 
And he's going to somehow take care of the present security and maintenance 
people at the WTC?

- Right.

- Oh, O.K. But we'll also need to make sure none of the 50,000 people 
working there notices the explosives. Plus we need guys to actually plant 
the explosives of course. Plus we'll need people to quickly dispose of any 
residual forensic evidence of explosives. So that would mean quite a few 
more people working for quite a long time who might leak information of this 
conspiracy to commit mass murder against Americans and increasing the 
chances of us getting caught and executed.

- Right. We're also going to bribe and intimidate 99% of the structural 
engineers of the world to support the idea that the buildings only collapsed 
>from the plane impacts and subsequent fires.

- Oh, OK. Sounds good. So I imagine that the explosives would be designed to 
make the buildings topple over into other buildings, so as to maximize 
destruction?

- No. We don't want to cause too much damage, so we're going to have them 
collapse straight down, sort of.

- Wait. I thought that we're blowing up the buildings as well as flying 
planes into them so as to maximize destruction, but you don't want the 
collapses to be too destructive?

- Right. Really, really, really, destructive, but not really, really, 
really, really destructive. Thousands dead is OK, but MANY thousands dead is 
just unreasonable. After all, we're not barbarians. Anyway, we'll have them 
collapse in a way that a lot of debris falls on nearby buildings, destroying 
them, so that it doesn't look too much like a controlled demolition. We're 
also going to cause the buildings to collapse from the top down, also so it 
doesn't look like a controlled demolition, since it makes no sense for a 
controlled demolition to collapse from the top down, since blowing it up 
>from the bottom up employs gravity to utilize all that weight above the 
explosions to facilitate the collapse. We'll also make them collapse in an 
asymmetrical way, with pieces still falling well after (maybe over 30 
seconds) the collapses begin, so it looks even less like a controlled 
demolition.

- Sounds good. So what kinds of explosives are we going to use?

- Well, we want to do a controlled demolition which requires split second 
timing of explosives going off to make each building collapse all at once.

- Uh huh

- So we need to use explosives that explode quickly, precisely and 
thoroughly, just like in any other controlled demolition.

- Uh huh

- So we're thinking of using thermite

- Oh... OK. Uhm, I don't think thermite actually explodes, and doesn't 
thermite in fact burn slowly and imprecisely?

- It does?

- Yeah, and won't those charges be damaged by the planes crashing into the 
buildings?

- Well, we're going to precisely drive the planes into the buildings at 500 
MPH to precisely avoid the charges.

- O.K., but won't there be fires from the jet fuel/ Won't that ignite or 
destroy the explosives?

- Let's cross our fingers that that doesn't happen. Also, we'll use a few 
explosives that make loud booms as well, but not nearly enough as one would 
expect with a controlled demolition.

-Why? If the thermite works, which doesn't explode, why draw attention to 
audible explosions?

- Because big booms are cool, and maybe it will confuse people. Also, we're 
going to set off a fuel explosion in the basement the same time as the plane 
crashes and an hour or so before the building actually collapses.

- Fuel explosion? But fuel explosions aren't used in controlled demolitions.

- But it will make a cool fireball, and it will confuse people.

- Sounds good. So in order to avoid detection when planting the explosives 
in the building, I suppose we'll just plant enough explosives to initiate a 
collapse?

- No. We're going to plant explosives on nearly every floor so that the 
buildings collapse very rapidly.

-Why? What's the purpose of the speed of collapse? If they start to 
collapse, why do we need to speed it up?

- Well, I have a golf game later that afternoon, and I'm not the patient 
type.

- Ah, I see. Anything else?

- We're also going to do a controlled demolition of WTC 7.

-Why? What would that really add if we're already taking down the Twin 
Towers?

-Because the CIA and other government agencies have offices in WTC7.

-So?

-Well, we want to destroy evidence.

-You have to blow up a building to destroy evidence? There's no easier way? 
Like maybe, shredding paper and deleting computer files?

-No. It has to be this way. Our shredder isn't working and the repair guy is 
in Cabo San Lucas, and that "highlight, left click file, delete" thing is 
far too complicated. So what we plan to do is sneak explosives into that 
very large office building as well, and hope no one notices; only we're not 
going to set off those explosives when the Twin Towers collapses happen. 
Rather, we're going to wait for a fire to burn throughout the building for 
seven hours, even though the building stores 42,000 gallons of diesel fuel 
that may damage or prematurely ignite the explosives or otherwise adversely 
affect the controlled demolition.

-Why wait?

-It creates dramatic tension. THEN we'll set it off after the building's 
manager, Larry Silverstein, gives the go ahead to a fire department 
commander to "pull" the building, even though the fire department doesn't 
have demolitions teams.

-Wait. "Pull" the building?

-Yeah, that means destroy it, even though it really doesn't and no one 
actually uses the term to mean demolish. Got it?

- I think so. So Silverstein is in on the mass murder plot?

- Obviously, since he's giving the go ahead for one of the demolitions

- And the fire department commander he's telling to do the demolition must 
be in on the plot as well?

- Well, obviously, otherwise why would Silverstein be telling him to "pull 
it"?

- And why tell the fire department commander to demolish the building if 
fire departments don't have demolitions teams?

- I'm sure the commander can persuade some fire fighters to help him 
demolish the building. Just so long as none of them get hurt in all this 
9/11 plot. Oh. Another thing. We're going to attack the Pentagon as well

- Uhm. The Pentagon? Aren't we supporting the military?

- Yeah? So?

- So why attack the Pentagon? Aren't there other good places to attack?

- There are?

- Never mind. So how are we going to attack the Pentagon? Same way as the 
Twin Towers I suppose?

- No

- Why not? Isn't it more efficient and safe to use the same method for 
different targets? I mean, if it works for the Twin Towers...

- Doing the same thing is boring. For the Pentagon, we're going to use a 
missile, or maybe a military plane; we haven't decided yet.

- What if there are witnesses?

- We're going to "disappear" every witness who plans on saying something we 
don't want them to say, and pay 80 or so witnesses from different walks of 
life in and out of government to join our mass murder conspiracy and say 
they saw an airplane hit the Pentagon. We're even going to have 20 or so of 
them, including four USA Today reporters, claim to be eyewitnesses and 
positively identify it as an American Airlines jetliner. Hopefully none of 
them spill the beans.

- Sounds like you have everything covered. But what about air defenses?

- We're going to arrange a secret "stand down" order so no fighter planes 
reach the jumbo jets in time, but we're going to shoot down one of them 
anyway, only we'll have the military deny shooting it down so that they look 
even more incompetent, even though we support the military.

- Wait. If there's a stand down order, then why shoot one of them down? I 
thought the point of a stand down order is to prevent any of the planes from 
being shot down, and if we go to the trouble of hijacking four planes, then 
why shoot one of them down?

- Our air force guys need the target practice.

- Ah! Cool! We're in! Let's go!"

--------------------- 

Hey, a smoking gun memo has also been found! I'm now completely convinced!

"To: Fellow Conspirators

From: Conspirator in Chief

Re: Conspiracy Follow Up

Well ladies and gentlemen, it's been over five years now and I want once 
again to thank you for a job well done. The 9/11 operation went off almost 
flawlessly. And so far, I'm relieved to say, after all these years not a 
single member of our very large conspiracy has whistleblown us to the media 
or authorities. Whew! That's a relief. Geez, with all the whistleblowers who 
run around exposing every other plot, getting rich on book deals, we sure 
are lucky to not get busted. Knock on wood.

One quibble though. I know that I've brought this up before, but since we're 
thinking about a new operation justifying a war with Iran, then it's an 
issue that probably should be readdressed. Remember, our whole motivation 
for the 9/11 attacks was to justify a war with Iraq. Who had the idea to 
have administration officials blame terrorists from Saudi Arabia?! Saudi 
Arabia is not Iraq! Oh well, I'm sure no one noticed. But if we do another 
terrorist attack to justify war with Iran, then don't be blaming terrorists 
from, like, Syria, O.K?

By the way, I have to repeat this gripe. What's the status on the operation 
to plant WMDs in Iraq? How many years has it been? WMDs were our stated 
purpose for going in there after all. Geez people. We're able to pull off 
the most complicated, horrific and audacious conspiracy in American history 
without anyone leaking the plan after five years, and yet we're incapable 
after all these years of planting a few chemical bombs in some Iraqi 
warehouses and spray painting some Iraqi writing on them? Come on! Get the 
lead out! The 2008 presidential election is just around the corner, and we 
could have used that kind of "evidence" in the last couple of elections.

But anyway, overall, good job folks. Karaoke tonight?"

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STICK TO STEALING BEER FROM PUB PATRONS, AND PUMING GAS, YOU STUPID 
UNEDUCATED MORON 




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"jbeck"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>> On Jul 5, 7:56 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>>> The day after Hamas gained the release of a  BBC Reporter kidnapped in
>>> Gaza, the IDF showed its stuff by shooting a reporter, and then in a
>>> demonstration of just how immoral the Israeli Army is, they took pot
>>> shots at the wounded reporter as he lay already horribly wounded from
>>> theri reckless fire.   IDF propagandists in
>>
>> Israelis are fascist thugs , They are far worse, far more brutal than
>> any German Nazi ever was.

This assessment is based upon the atrocities comitted by the ZioNazis. 




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More and more stories are coming out of thousands of dead American troops 
with no next of kin who have been buried in the desert graves of Iraq 




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The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
by Dr. David Ray Griffin
9/11 Visibility Project
Sunday, May 22, 2005
Link to Original

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and 
Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might 
have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," 
because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making 
this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is 
constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is 
true.

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, 
The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This 
point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It 
might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by 
those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types 
of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report 
claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel 
shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the 
shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie 
when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, 
omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be 
still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the 
World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly 
because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to 
provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They 
are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie 
about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was 
the case in at least most instances.

Given these two types of lies, it might be wondered how many lies are 
contained in The 9/11 Commission Report. I do not know. But, deciding to see 
how many lies I had discussed in my book, I found that I had identified over 
100 of them. Once I had made the list, it occurred to me that others might 
find this summary helpful. Hence this article.

One caveat: Although in some of the cases it is obvious that the Commission 
has lied, in other cases I would say, as I make clear in the book, that it 
appears that the Commission has lied. However, in the interests of simply 
giving a brief listing of claims that I consider to be lies, I will ignore 
this distinction between obvious and probable lies, leaving it to readers, 
if they wish, to look up the discussion in The 9/11 Commission Report: 
Omissions and Distortions. For ease in doing this, I have parenthetically 
indicated the pages of the book on which the various issues are discussed.

Given this clarification, I now list the omissions and claims of The 9/11 
Commission Report that I, in my critique of that report, portrayed as lies:

1. The omission of evidence that at least six of the alleged 
hijackers---including Waleed al-Shehri, said by the Commission probably to 
have stabbed a flight attendant on Flight 11 before it crashed into the 
North Tower of the WTC---are still alive (19-20).

2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported 
fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the 
Commission's claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).

3. The obfuscation of the evidence that Hani Hanjour was too poor a pilot to 
have flown an airliner into the Pentagon (21-22).

4. The omission of the fact that the publicly released flight manifests 
contain no Arab names (23).

5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, 
caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25).

6. The omission of the fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very 
big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several 
steel-frame buildings that did not collapse (25-26).

7. The omission of the fact that, given the hypothesis that the collapses 
were caused by fire, the South Tower, which was struck later than the North 
Tower and also had smaller fires, should not have collapsed first (26).

8. The omission of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and 
which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed---an occurrence that 
FEMA admitted it could not explain (26).

9. The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that 
of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled 
demolition (26-27).

10. The claim that the core of each of the Twin Towers was "a hollow steel 
shaft"---a claim that denied the existence of the 47 massive steel columns 
that in reality constituted the core of each tower and that, given the 
"pancake theory" of the collapses, should have still been sticking up many 
hundreds of feet in the air (27-28).

11. The omission of Larry Silverstein's statement that he and the fire 
department commander decided to "pull" Building 7 (28).

12. The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was 
quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be 
analyzed for evidence of explosives (30).

13. The omission of the fact that because Building 7 had been evacuated 
before it collapsed, the official reason for the rapid removal of the 
steel---that some people might still be alive in the rubble under the 
steel---made no sense in this case (30).

14. The omission of Mayor Giuliani's statement that he had received word 
that the World Trade Center was going to collapse (30-31).

15. The omission of the fact that President Bush's brother Marvin and his 
cousin Wirt Walker III were both principals in the company in charge of 
security for the WTC (31-32).

16. The omission of the fact that the west wing of the Pentagon would have 
been the least likely spot to be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists, for 
several reasons (33-34).

17. The omission of any discussion of whether the damage done to the 
Pentagon was consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 going several 
hundred miles per hour (34).

18. The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west 
wing's façade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also 
that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered 
(34).

19. The omission of all testimony that has been used to cast doubt on 
whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the 
Pentagon (34-36).

20. The omission of any discussion of whether the Pentagon has a 
anti-missile defense system that would have brought down a commercial 
airliner---even though the Commission suggested that the al-Qaeda terrorists 
did not attack a nuclear power plant because they assumed that it would be 
thus defended (36).

21. The omission of the fact that pictures from various security 
cameras---including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, 
the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after 
the strike---could presumably answer the question of what really hit the 
Pentagon (37-38).

22. The omission of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's reference to "the 
missile [used] to damage [the Pentagon]" (39).

23. The apparent endorsement of a wholly unsatisfactory answer to the 
question of why the Secret Service agents allowed President Bush to remain 
at the Sarasota school at a time when, given the official story, they should 
have assumed that a hijacked airliner might be about to crash into the 
school (41-44).

24. The failure to explore why the Secret Service did not summon fighter 
jets to provide air cover for Air Force One (43-46).

25. The claims that when the presidential party arrived at the school, no 
one in the party knew that several planes had been hijacked (47-48).

26. The omission of the report that Attorney General Ashcroft was warned to 
stop using commercial airlines prior to 9/11 (50).

27. The omission of David Schippers' claim that he had, on the basis of 
information provided by FBI agents about upcoming attacks in lower 
Manhattan, tried unsuccessfully to convey this information to Attorney 
General Ashcroft during the six weeks prior to 9/11 (51).

28. The omission of any mention of the FBI agents who reportedly claimed to 
have known the targets and dates of the attacks well in advance (51-52).

29. The claim, by means of a circular, question-begging rebuttal, that the 
unusual purchases of put options prior to 9/11 did not imply advance 
knowledge of the attacks on the part of the buyers (52-57).

30. The omission of reports that both Mayor Willie Brown and some Pentagon 
officials received warnings about flying on 9/11 (57).

31. The omission of the report that Osama bin Laden, who already was America's 
"most wanted" criminal, was treated in July 2001 by an American doctor in 
the American Hospital in Dubai and visited by the local CIA agent (59).

32. The omission of news stories suggesting that after 9/11 the US military 
in Afghanistan deliberately allowed Osama bin Laden to escape (60).

33. The omission of reports, including the report of a visit to Osama bin 
Laden at the hospital in Dubai by the head of Saudi intelligence, that were 
in tension with the official portrayal of Osama as disowned by his family 
and his country (60-61).

34. The omission of Gerald Posner's account of Abu Zubaydah's testimony, 
according to which three members of the Saudi royal family---all of whom 
later died mysteriously within an eight-day period---were funding al-Qaeda 
and had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks (61-65).

35. The Commission's denial that it found any evidence of Saudi funding of 
al-Qaeda (65-68).

36. The Commission's denial in particular that it found any evidence that 
money from Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa, went to al-Qaeda operatives 
(69-70).

37. The denial, by means of simply ignoring the distinction between private 
and commercial flights, that the private flight carrying Saudis from Tampa 
to Lexington on September 13 violated the rules for US airspace in effect at 
the time (71-76).

38. The denial that any Saudis were allowed to leave the United States 
shortly after 9/11 without being adequately investigated (76-82).

39. The omission of evidence that Prince Bandar obtained special permission 
>from the White House for the Saudi flights (82-86).

40. The omission of Coleen Rowley's claim that some officials at FBI 
headquarters did see the memo from Phoenix agent Kenneth Williams (89-90).

41. The omission of Chicago FBI agent Robert Wright's charge that FBI 
headquarters closed his case on a terrorist cell, then used intimidation to 
prevent him from publishing a book reporting his experiences (91).

42. The omission of evidence that FBI headquarters sabotaged the attempt by 
Coleen Rowley and other Minneapolis agents to obtain a warrant to search 
Zacarias Moussaoui's computer (91-94).

43. The omission of the 3.5 hours of testimony to the Commission by former 
FBI translator Sibel Edmonds--testimony that, according to her later public 
letter to Chairman Kean, revealed serious 9/11-related cover-ups by 
officials at FBI headquarters (94-101).

44. The omission of the fact that General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of 
Pakistan's intelligence agency (the ISI), was in Washington the week prior 
to 9/11, meeting with CIA chief George Tenet and other US officials 
(103-04).

45. The omission of evidence that ISI chief Ahmad had ordered $100,000 to be 
sent to Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11 (104-07).

46. The Commission's claim that it found no evidence that any foreign 
government, including Pakistan, had provided funding for the al-Qaeda 
operatives (106).

47. The omission of the report that the Bush administration pressured 
Pakistan to dismiss Ahmad as ISI chief after the appearance of the story 
that he had ordered ISI money sent to Atta (107-09).

48. The omission of evidence that the ISI (and not merely al-Qaeda) was 
behind the assassination of Ahmad Shah Masood (the leader of Afghanistan's 
Northern Alliance), which occurred just after the week-long meeting between 
the heads of the CIA and the ISI (110-112).

49. The omission of evidence of ISI involvement in the kidnapping and murder 
of Wall Street Reporter Daniel Pearl (113).

50. The omission of Gerald Posner's report that Abu Zubaydah claimed that a 
Pakistani military officer, Mushaf Ali Mir, was closely connected to both 
the ISI and al-Qaeda and had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks (114).

51. The omission of the 1999 prediction by ISI agent Rajaa Gulum Abbas that 
the Twin Towers would be "coming down" (114).

52. The omission of the fact that President Bush and other members of his 
administration repeatedly spoke of the 9/11 attacks as "opportunities" 
(116-17).

53. The omission of the fact that The Project for the New American Century, 
many members of which became key figures in the Bush administration, 
published a document in 2000 saying that "a new Pearl Harbor" would aid its 
goal of obtaining funding for a rapid technological transformation of the US 
military (117-18).

54. The omission of the fact that Donald Rumsfeld, who as head of the 
commission on the US Space Command had recommended increased funding for it, 
used the attacks of 9/11 on that very evening to secure such funding 
(119-22).

55. The failure to mention the fact that three of the men who presided over 
the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks--Secretary Rumsfeld, General Richard 
Myers, and General Ralph Eberhart---were also three of the strongest 
advocates for the US Space Command (122).

56. The omission of the fact that Unocal had declared that the Taliban could 
not provide adequate security for it to go ahead with its oil-and-gas 
pipeline from the Caspian region through Afghanistan and Pakistan (122-25).

57. The omission of the report that at a meeting in July 2001, US 
representatives said that because the Taliban refused to agree to a US 
proposal that would allow the pipeline project to go forward, a war against 
them would begin by October (125-26).

58. The omission of the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book had 
said that for the United States to maintain global primacy, it needed to 
gain control of Central Asia, with its vast petroleum reserves, and that a 
new Pearl Harbor would be helpful in getting the US public to support this 
imperial effort (127-28).

59. The omission of evidence that some key members of the Bush 
administration, including Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, had 
been agitating for a war with Iraq for many years (129-33).

60. The omission of notes of Rumsfeld's conversations on 9/11 showing that 
he was determined to use the attacks as a pretext for a war with Iraq 
(131-32).

61. The omission of the statement by the Project for the New American 
Century that "the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf 
transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" (133-34).

62. The claim that FAA protocol on 9/11 required the time-consuming process 
of going through several steps in the chain of command--even though the 
Report cites evidence to the contrary (158).

63. The claim that in those days there were only two air force bases in 
NORAD's Northeast sector that kept fighters on alert and that, in 
particular, there were no fighters on alert at either McGuire or Andrews 
(159-162).

64. The omission of evidence that Andrews Air Force Base did keep several 
fighters on alert at all times (162-64).

65. The acceptance of the twofold claim that Colonel Marr of NEADS had to 
telephone a superior to get permission to have fighters scrambled from Otis 
and that this call required eight minutes (165-66).

66. The endorsement of the claim that the loss of an airplane's transponder 
signal makes it virtually impossible for the US military's radar to track 
that plane (166-67).

67. The claim that the Payne Stewart interception did not show NORAD's 
response time to Flight 11 to be extraordinarily slow (167-69).

68. The claim that the Otis fighters were not airborne until seven minutes 
after they received the scramble order because they did not know where to go 
(174-75).

69. The claim that the US military did not know about the hijacking of 
Flight 175 until 9:03, when it was crashing into the South Tower (181-82).

70. The omission of any explanation of (a) why NORAD's earlier report, 
according to which the FAA had notified the military about the hijacking of 
Flight 175 at 8:43, was now to be considered false and (b) how this report, 
if it was false, could have been published and then left uncorrected for 
almost three years (182).

71. The claim that the FAA did not set up a teleconference until 9:20 that 
morning (183).

72. The omission of the fact that a memo by Laura Brown of the FAA says that 
its teleconference was established at about 8:50 and that it included 
discussion of Flight 175's hijacking (183-84, 186).

73. The claim that the NMCC teleconference did not begin until 9:29 
(186-88).

74. The omission, in the Commission's claim that Flight 77 did not deviate 
>from its course until 8:54, of the fact that earlier reports had said 8:46 
(189-90).

75. The failure to mention that the report that a large jet had crashed in 
Kentucky, at about the time Flight 77 disappeared from FAA radar, was taken 
seriously enough by the heads of the FAA and the FBI's counterterrorism unit 
to be relayed to the White House (190).

76. The claim that Flight 77 flew almost 40 minutes through American 
airspace towards Washington without being detected by the military's radar 
(191-92).

77. The failure to explain, if NORAD's earlier report that it was notified 
about Flight 77 at 9:24 was "incorrect," how this erroneous report could 
have arisen, i.e., whether NORAD officials had been lying or simply confused 
for almost three years (192-93).

78. The claim that the Langley fighter jets, which NORAD had previously said 
were scrambled to intercept Flight 77, were actually scrambled in response 
to an erroneous report from an (unidentified) FAA controller at 9:21 that 
Flight 11 was still up and was headed towards Washington (193-99).

79. The claim that the military did not hear from the FAA about the probable 
hijacking of Flight 77 before the Pentagon was struck (204-12).

80. The claim that Jane Garvey did not join Richard Clarke's videoconference 
until 9:40, after the Pentagon was struck (210).

81. The claim that none of the teleconferences succeeded in coordinating the 
FAA and military responses to the hijackings because "none of [them] 
included the right officials from both the FAA and the Defense 
 Department"---although Richard Clarke says that his videoconference 
included FAA head Jane Garvey as well as Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and 
General Richard Myers, the acting chair of the joint chiefs of staff (211).

82. The Commission's claim that it did not know who from the Defense 
Department participated in Clarke's videoconference---although Clarke's book 
said that it was Donald Rumsfeld and General Myers (211-212).

83. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that he was on Capitol Hill 
during the attacks, without mentioning Richard Clarke's contradictory 
account, according to which Myers was in the Pentagon participating in 
Clarke's videoconference (213-17).

84. The failure to mention the contradiction between Clarke's account of 
Rumsfeld's whereabouts that morning and Rumsfeld's own accounts (217-19).

85. The omission of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's testimony, 
given to the Commission itself, that Vice-President Cheney and others in the 
underground shelter were aware by 9:26 that an aircraft was approaching the 
Pentagon (220).

86. The claim that Pentagon officials did not know about an aircraft 
approaching Pentagon until 9:32, 9:34, or 9:36---in any case, only a few 
minutes before the building was hit (223).

87. The endorsement of two contradictory stories about the aircraft that hit 
the Pentagon---one in which it executed a 330-degree downward spiral (a 
"high-speed dive") and another in which there is no mention of this maneuver 
(222-23).

88. The claim that the fighter jets from Langley, which were allegedly 
scrambled to protect Washington from "Phantom Flight 11," were nowhere near 
Washington because they were mistakenly sent out to sea (223-24).

89. The omission of all the evidence suggesting that the aircraft that hit 
the Pentagon was not Flight 77 (224-25).

90. The claim that the military was not notified by the FAA about Flight 93's 
hijacking until after it crashed (227-29, 232, 253).

91. The twofold claim that the NMCC did not monitor the FAA-initiated 
conference and then was unable to get the FAA connected to the 
NMCC-initiated teleconference (230-31).

92. The omission of the fact that the Secret Service is able to know 
everything that the FAA knows (233).

93. The omission of any inquiry into why the NMCC initiated its own 
teleconference if, as Laura Brown of the FAA has said, this is not standard 
protocol (234).

94. The omission of any exploration of why General Montague Winfield not 
only had a rookie (Captain Leidig) take over his role as the NMCC's Director 
of Operations but also left him in charge after it was clear that the 
Pentagon was facing an unprecedented crisis (235-36).

95. The claim that the FAA (falsely) notified the Secret Service between 
10:10 and 10:15 that Flight 93 was still up and headed towards Washington 
(237).

96. The claim that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down 
authorization until after 10:10 (several minutes after Flight 93 had 
crashed) and that this authorization was not transmitted to the US military 
until 10:31 (237-41).

97. The omission of all the evidence indicating that Flight 93 was shot down 
by a military plane (238-39, 252-53).

98. The claim that Richard Clarke did not receive the requested shoot-down 
authorization until 10:25 (240).

99. The omission of Clarke's own testimony, which suggests that he received 
the shoot-down authorization by 9:50 (240).

100. The claim that Cheney did not reach the underground shelter (the PEOC 
[Presidential Emergency Operations Center]) until 9:58 (241-44).

101. The omission of multiple testimony, including that of Norman Mineta to 
the Commission itself, that Cheney was in the PEOC before 9:20 (241-44).

102. The claim that shoot-down authorization must be given by the president 
(245).

103. The omission of reports that Colonel Marr ordered a shoot-down of 
Flight 93 and that General Winfield indicated that he and others at the NMCC 
had expected a fighter jet to reach Flight 93 (252).

104. The omission of reports that there were two fighter jets in the air a 
few miles from NYC and three of them only 200 miles from Washington (251).

105. The omission of evidence that there were at least six bases with 
fighters on alert in the northeastern part of the United States (257-58).

106. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that NORAD had defined its 
mission in terms of defending only against threats from abroad (258-62).

107. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that NORAD had not recognized 
the possibility that terrorists might use hijacked airliners as missiles 
(262-63).

108. The failure to highlight the significance of evidence presented in the 
Report itself, and to mention other evidence, showing that NORAD had indeed 
recognized the threat that hijacked airliners might be used as missiles 
(264-67).

109. The failure to probe the issue of how the "war games" scheduled for 
that day were related to the military's failure to intercept the hijacked 
airliners (268-69).

110. The failure to discuss the possible relevance of Operation Northwoods 
to the attacks of 9/11 (269-71).

111. The claim---made in explaining why the military did not get information 
about the hijackings in time to intercept them---that FAA personnel 
inexplicably failed to follow standard procedures some 16 times (155-56, 
157, 179, 180, 181, 190, 191, 193, 194, 200, 202-03, 227, 237, 272-75).

112. The failure to point out that the Commission's claimed "independence" 
was fatally compromised by the fact that its executive director, Philip 
Zelikow, was virtually a member of the Bush administration (7-9, 11-12, 
282-84).

113. The failure to point out that the White House first sought to prevent 
the creation of a 9/11 Commission, then placed many obstacles in its path, 
including giving it extremely meager funding (283-85).

114. The failure to point out that the Commission's chairman, most of the 
other commissioners, and at least half of the staff had serious conflicts of 
interest (285-90, 292-95).

115. The failure of the Commission, while bragging that it presented its 
final report "without dissent," to point out that this was probably possible 
only because Max Cleland, the commissioner who was most critical of the 
White House and swore that he would not be part of "looking at information 
only partially," had to resign in order to accept a position with the 
Export-Import Bank, and that the White House forwarded his nomination for 
this position only after he was becoming quite outspoken in his criticisms 
(290-291).

I will close by pointing out that I concluded my study of what I came to 
call "the Kean-Zelikow Report" by writing that it, "far from lessening my 
suspicions about official complicity, has served to confirm them. Why would 
the minds in charge of this final report engage in such deception if they 
were not trying to cover up very high crimes?" (291)




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> On Jul 5, 4:26 pm, "Henry Alminas"  wrote:
>> ... is visiting in Lithuania for some or
>> other meeting (why they permit these
>> Kremlin-critters to enter the country is
>> not clear to me).  Waal, anyway, this
>> dork is the deputy chairman of the
>> russkie Duma foreign affairs committee.
>>
>> He was asked about the planned russkie
>> redeployment of their rockets to K-grad.
>> He noted that: "the russkie plan for the
>> relocation is an intelligent and "civilized"
>> (russkies just love that term - it is something
>> that they have never been able to achieve)
>> to the ABM thing.
>>
>> He went on to explain that this is a russkie
>> attempt to add to the protection system
>> of Europe - though just whom the russkies
>> are protecting against - was not mentioned....
>>
>> The whole situation is beyond absurd.  First
>> of all I do not believe for a minute that the
>> russkies did not have rockets in K-grad
>> all along.
>>
>>  Do you?
>>
>>  Secondly  - the
>> "retargeting" thing is just a load of shit.
>> I gather that it takes under 30 minutes
>> to re-target even the old russkie hardware.
>> Besides, please remember,  that when the ABM
>> thing first came up a russkie general indicated
>> that "European cities" would now be
>> targets.  It was only later that they decided
>> that "umm - perhaps we should only speak
>> about wiping out the Poles  and those in
>> the Check Republic."
>>
>> Ultimately what does this add up to?
>>
>> Just more russkie hot air.
>>
>> Sadly - all too many in "old Europe" will
>> buy it.
>>
>
> This is total nonsense, Henry. The situation is very simple nd clear.
>
> According to our American military experts, Iran and North Korea are
> threatening to launch nukes. And of all places in the World, the best
> place to intercept them is Central Europe around Poland. No other
> place on Earth is nearly as good as Poland and Czech Republic.
>
> Our American government also points out to Russia that it too is a
> potential target of Iranian and North Korean nukes and that it should
> participate in defence against these threats.
>
> This got Russians really worried and they simply had to take measures
> to defend themselves against the impending nuke attack from North
> Korea and Iran. And, as you know, the region of Poland is the best and
> only place on Earth to place such defences. So, since Kaliningrad is
> right next to Poland, it is by far the best place on the Russian
> territory to place anti-Korea and anti-Iran defences.

NEUROSIS OF ADOLF HITLER IS WHAT STARTED THE WWII, NEUROSIS OF GEORGE BUSH 
IS TEN TIMES MORE SEVERE, AND WILL DESTROY THE WORLD, UNLESS THE BASTARD IS 
TOPPED IN HIS TRACKS! 




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The Plan to Disappear Canada
'Deep integration' comes out of shadows

By Murray Dobbin

Global Research, June 30, 2007
TheTyee.ca - 2007-06-08

If the machinations going on in this country regarding so-called "deep 
integration" were instead a communist conspiracy to take over the country 
(you will, of course, have to try hard to imagine this) the news media would 
be blaring the story.

Pundits would pontificate, editorialists would erupt, security forces would 
be unleashed.

Instead, a virtual conspiracy to make the country disappear through 
assimilation into the U.S. gets barely a mention.

But news of the scheme - formally called the Security and Prosperity 
Partnership of North America (SPP) - is finally breaking out of the secret 
chambers of the ruling elite and the federal government. This is both good 
news and bad. It's good that ordinary citizens are finally getting a glimpse 
of the betrayal of their country. The news is bad because it reflects just 
how much of this scheme is already being implemented.

Given the meetings of CEOs and politicians to advance the scheme 
politically, as well as all that must go into its actual implementation, 
there is simply too much activity to keep secret.

Ten dots to connect

Here are 10 developments in the plan to disappear Canada.

1) Pesticides 'harmonized.' The most thoroughly reported story (though even 
this did not go much beyond the CanWest chain) was the revelation that 
Canada was about to "harmonize" its regulations, setting limits for 
pesticide residue on fruits and vegetables. In 40 per cent of the cases, the 
U.S. allows for higher levels. Richard Aucoin, chief registrar of the Pest 
Management Regulatory Agency, which sets Canada's pesticide levels, said 
that Canada's higher levels were a "trade irritant."

The downgrading of health protection had been a NAFTA initiative, but is 
being "fast-tracked" as part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership. 
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Some 300 regulatory regimes are 
currently going through the same process.

2) Tory tirade. The next story that broke through the wall of media silence 
reported on the paranoid reaction of the Harper Conservatives to any 
criticism of the SPP. The occasion was hearings of the Commons International 
Trade Committee into the SPP, forced by the NDP.

Gordon Laxer, head of Alberta's Parkland Institute, was testifying on the 
energy implications of the SPP, warning that eastern Canada could end up 
"freezing in the dark." He had barely started when the chair of the 
committee, Conservative MP Leon Benoit, demanded that Laxer halt his 
"irrelevant" testimony. The Committee members overruled Benoit - who 
promptly (and illegally) adjourned the meeting and stomped out. The NDP and 
Liberal members nonetheless continued without him.

3) Council of corporate power. The SPP initiative began in earnest back in 
2002 with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (formerly the BCNI), the 
most powerful corporate body in the country. It continues it leadership 
role, but does not promote the scheme just in its own name. It instead has 
helped create several supportive bodies that now help drive the agenda. 
Included in these are the North American Competitive Council (NACC), which 
includes CEOs of the largest North American corporations, and which 
institutionalizes the exclusively corporate nature of the agreement. The 
NACC is the only advisory group to the three NAFTA/SPP governments.

4) Secretive summit. The NACC at least is public. But much of what happens 
in building the elite consensus for deep integration is done in absolute 
secrecy or very privately, away from the prying eyes of the media. The most 
secretive of these was held last year from Sept. 12 to 14, in Banff Springs. 
As The Tyee reported, the gathering was sponsored by something called the 
North American Forum* and it was attended by some of the most powerful 
members of the North American ruling elite.

Attendees, according to a leaked list that could not be confirmed, included 
Donald Rumsfeld, George Schultz (former U.S. Secretary of State), General 
Rick Hillier, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor and Minister of Public Safety 
Stockwell Day. The media was not informed of the meeting and it was first 
revealed by the weekly Banff Crag & Canyon.

Stockwell Day refused to even confirm he was there, but said that even if he 
was, it was a "private" meeting that he would not comment on. There is no 
better indication that these meetings, and the SPP itself, constitute a 
parallel governing structure - unaccountable to any democratic institution 
or the public.

5) 'No fly' coordination. Canada will have its own "no-fly" list just like 
our U.S. "partner."

As the Council of Canadians pointed out: "The no-fly list is very much a 
Security and Prosperity Partnership initiative. 'The SPP Report to Leaders, 
August 2006' outlines 105 SPP initiatives. Initiative #93 states, 'Develop, 
test, evaluate and implement a plan to establish comparable aviation 
passenger screening, and the screening of baggage and air cargo (for North 
America).'"

Canada's privacy commissioner Jennifer Stoddart has raised a number of 
concerns about the plan including the fact that the list will be shared with 
the U.S., that "false positives" are a virtual certainty, and that there is 
no evidence put forward by the government that the list will improve airline 
security.

6) Bye, bye Canadian dollar? David Dodge, the head of the Bank of Canada, 
told a Chicago audience that a single currency for North America "is 
possible." That would see a big chunk of Canadian sovereignty and the 
ability to guide the economy through monetary policy go out the window. It's 
not the first time Dodge has mused about abandoning the Canadian dollar - or 
deep integration.

7) Water and oil giveaways. The deep integrationists clearly see Canadian 
water as a North American resource, not a Canadian resource. At yet another 
very private meeting, held in Calgary on April 27th under the auspices of 
yet another forum, it was made clear that water is on the table for 
negotiation.

Discussion of bulk "water transfers" and diversions took place at a Calgary 
meeting of the North American Future 2025 Project (partly funded by the U.S. 
government). The meeting based its deliberations on the false notion that 
Canada has 20 per cent of the world's fresh water. Actual available supply 
amounts to only around six per cent - about the same as has the U.S.

The water (and environment) meeting was preceded by another on April 26th 
talking about "North American" energy. The beneficiary of these discussions 
is pretty clear when you realize Canada has no national energy policy. We 
are the only energy exporting country in the world without a one.

Gordon Laxer told the Parliamentary committee: "The National Energy Board 
wrote me on April 12: 'Unfortunately, the NEB has not undertaken any studies 
on security of supply.'" He was also told by the NEB that Canada does not 
maintain a 90 day energy reserve as other developed nations do. As Laxer 
points out, "Canada may be a net exporter, but it still imports 40 per cent 
of its oil - 850,000 barrels per day - to meet 90 per cent of Atlantic 
Canada's and Quebec's needs, and 40 per cent of Ontario's."

Canada exports 63 per cent of its oil production and 56 per cent of its 
natural gas, percentages that can never decrease under NAFTA.

8) NAFTA Superhighway. State governments in the U.S. are becoming 
increasingly alarmed at the prospects of deep integration. Earlier this 
year, Idaho became the first state to pass a legislative resolution 
directing the U.S. Congress to drop out of the SPP, which is referred to as 
the North American Union amongst U.S. opponents. Thirteen states in addition 
to Idaho are calling on Congress to abandon the SPP: Georgia, Arizona, 
Missouri, Illinois, Oregon, Montana, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, South 
Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Virginia.

Part of the opposition is focused on plans for a so-called NAFTA 
Superhighway: actually a corridor several hundred metres wide including rail 
lines, freeways and pipelines from Mexico to the Canadian border. There is a 
growing grass roots movement against the SPP in the U.S., but led by the 
right over the issue of compromising American sovereignty.

9) Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement (TILMA). While U.S. 
states, concerned about state rights under an unaccountable "North American 
Union," are organizing against the scheme, Canadian provinces are either 
blithely unaware or knowingly complicit in the deal. More Canadians may be 
aware of TILMA - the investors' rights agreement between B.C. and Albert - 
than they are about the SPP, but in reality they are one and the same.

TILMA is major piece of the deep integration, deregulation imperative and 
fits hand in glove with the SPP. There is a similar, though more informal, 
process evolving in the Atlantic provinces, called "Atlantica." And B.C. is 
now pushing the so-called Gateway Initiative, a kind of regional 
superhighway project that will see huge and environmentally disastrous 
expansion of ports, highways and pipelines to further supply the U.S.'s 
insatiable demand for resources and cheap Asian goods.

10) The next SPP summit. The third leaders summit on the SPP will take place 
this August 21-22nd in Montebello, Quebec, not far from Ottawa. By the time 
it does many more Canadian will be aware of it.

Part of the reason that news of the SPP/deep integration issue is finally 
seeing the light of day is that opposition is growing and groups fighting 
the SPP are having an impact. The Council of Canadians, the CLC and the 
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives held an SPP teach-in in Ottawa last 
month and many civil society groups are now taking deep integration to their 
members. Demonstrations are planned for the summit. The NDP continues to 
press the government on SPP secrecy and the Green Party's Elizabeth May has 
said deep integration will be a focus of the party's election platform.

It is hard to think of any other issue in modern Canadian history, 
especially one that will literally determine whether the country survives or 
not, that has taken so long to get public attention. I first wrote about it 
September, 2002.

By the time the SPP summit has come and gone and the fall political season 
begins, deep integration, the most treacherous plan for the country yet 
devised by Bay Street, will be increasingly exposed.

And by the next election, we could see a repeat of the great "free trade" 
election of 1988. This time we have to win.




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By: Maurice Lemoine - Le Monde Diplomatique

When Hugo Chávez was elected president of Venezuela in 1999, one of his 
first trips was to Saimadoyi, the tiny capital of the Barí tribe, in the 
Sierra de Périja mountain range in the western state of Zulia, close to the 
Colombian border. Nearby is Maracaibo lake, a forest of derricks on a sea of 
oil, which has supplied Venezuela with the stuff since 1922. But until 
Chávez, the Barís had a miserable existence in soiacas, mud houses roofed 
with palm: "We used to have no electricity, we lived in the dark. And he 
came and said he'd get us electricity."

The president kept his word and sent generators to Saimadoyi and nearby 
villages, plus a large basketball pitch, a medical dispensary, a school, 
scholarships for students, and a minibus to connect the communities. All 
paid for by the government. As was a herd of cattle for the neighbouring 
community of Bachichira. Hector Okbo Asokma, the cacique of Saimadoyi and 
its 700 souls, was grateful: "Chávez came and things really changed. We like 
him a lot here."

But every time Chávez solves a problem, another one appears. He travelled to 
Saimadoyi by helicopter and did not see the track that serves as a road. To 
travel from Machiques, the nearest town 80km away, we had to squeeze into a 
rustico - a minibus crammed with bags, basins, baskets, spare tires and 16 
people. Then we tried to relax until its brakes gave way as it hurtled down 
a steep slope towards a muddy pond. The banks served as a brake and there 
were no casualties. It was so hot that the passengers welcomed the cool 
water that splashed through the windows.

After a prolonged repair job we set off again, but soon reached the first 
river. It had rained on the peaks above and the river was a torrent, 
impossible to cross. We had to turn back. A passenger shrugged: "It's always 
the same. We can never plan anything."

The problem is the same from Saimadoyi to Machiques. During a storm all 
traffic stops and if passengers are caught between two rivers, they have to 
spend the night in the jungle with the mosquitoes. The only alternative is 
to climb a perilous mountain path, carrying baggage and children. "It makes 
life difficult when you have to take someone to hospital in an emergency," 
said Alvaro Akondakai Konta, a Barí. Other passengers were more critical: 
"What about the millions of bolivars the government spends. Where does that 
go? We want a real road. And bridges!"

Proud and tough

For the Barí (or Motilone) are demanding. They had a reputation at the time 
of the conquest for being brave and proud after they resisted the Spanish 
with lances and arrows. In Madrid and Seville they were rhymed: "Los indios 
Motilones/Te cortaron los cojones" (the Motilones Indians cut your balls 
off).

Even the early Venezuelan republic could not deal with them. "Savages" were 
despised and for years killing one was not quite a criminal offence. They 
used arrows, the other side bullets. The Barí were among the last indigenous 
peoples to hold out against Capuchin missionaries and "civilisation". They 
only came down from the mountains in the 1960s, into contact with the 
Creoles (non-Indian white or mixed-blood), and settled in villages.

The Barí (socialists before their time) worked together to pull out our 
"Chávez minibus" and another that belonged to the priest. (A Spanish padre 
has lived with the Barí for the past 30 years. He is not a revolutionary but 
he is devoted.) Then everyone climbed back in and we were off to the Ogdavia 
river; but the rain had turned that, too, into a torrent and cut off 
Saimadoyi. People complain that Caracas won't help, nor the governor of 
Zulia, whatever his name, which no one can remember. (He is, in fact, Manual 
Rosales, the only opposition governor.) People vaguely recollect that he was 
opposition candidate in the 2006 presidential elections. "He wanted to 
replace our comandante Chávez but we don't care about him; he's never done 
anything for us."

Everyone was up to their waists in water. A man with a chainsaw attacked 
flotsam, churned up by the elements, that blocked the riverbed, causing the 
river to overflow upstream. Everyone knew what he had to do. They cut down 
one tree, then another. They laboured under rocks bigger than themselves. 
They pushed, pulled, sweated, stopped for a breather and started again. A 
day's backbreaking labour to set up a dam and divert the current, and then 
to fill the ford with rocks and stones to make it passable. At last the 
first minibus set out to applause. The road was open, but for how long?

Venezuela has 35 different indigenous tribes, 535,000 people, 2.1% of the 
population according to the 2001 census. They live in the most remote and 
least populated regions and, until the late 1990s, all suffered equally 
under the Venezuelan government, which had the continent's most backward 
policy on indigenous peoples.

Repay the debt

Things changed when Chávez was elected in 1998. Proud of his Pumé 
grandmother, he set himself up as champion of the indigenous peoples. While 
still a candidate he promised to "repay this historic debt" owed by the 
state and carried it through when he set up the new Bolivarian constituent 
assembly in 1999. Some tribes, such as the Wayuú, are well assimilated in 
urban areas; others such as the Yanomani live in the Amazonian jungle and 
have little contact with the outside world. But the indigenous tribes are 
relatively young, isolated from the rest of society and divided politically, 
especially the Wayuú in Maracaibo who support more traditional political 
parties, such as Democratic Action.

In Ecuador or Bolivia, strong indigenous movements regularly shake up 
politics. Not in Venezuela where, according to the sociologist and 
anthropologist Daniel Castro: "The political space was opened up by the 
Creoles, not by pressure from the indigenous population. Nevertheless the 
attempt by Chávez to rebuild the country has rekindled old expectations 
about recovering land and defending a way of life." Chávez invited the 
indigenous peoples to take part in drawing up the constitution and in July 
1999 the 600 delegates of the National Council of Venezuelan Indians 
(Conive) elected three representatives to the National Assembly. Along with 
128 Creole delegates, they presented proposals drawn up by their rank and 
file. Then they had to get them passed.

There was bound to be resistance, amplified by the media, from companies 
exploiting natural resources: the opposition. On the Chávez side, the 
Security and Defence Commission (former army officers) denounced a possible 
infringement of national sovereignty and a blow to national integrity. The 
argument lasted until 3 November 1999 when the Rights of the Indigenous 
Peoples were passed. These were the basis for chapter 8 of the constitution, 
ratified by 71% of Venezuelans (with a 60% participation rate) in a 
referendum. It is the most progressive constitution for indigenous rights on 
the American continent. What used to be, at best, a paternalistic attitude 
has been replaced by a policy of recognition and participation (see `New 
rights').

We reached Tucupita where the road stops and gives way to the vast Delta 
Amacuro in the northeast, through which the Orinoco empties into the 
Atlantic. A maze of channels criss-crosses the jungle and the mangrove 
forests in Warao territory. Lotuses and water plants drift past. In the 
middle of the river, our canoe headed into the night, its motor chugging. 
Suddenly we saw specks of light: Guarakajara de la Horqueta. Landing stages 
loomed up at the foot of each stilt dwelling. These had no walls, just a low 
palm-covered roof. A generator purred. José Grégorio Aramillo, a young Warao 
>from Tucupita said: "The president said that every village should have 
electricity. And the telephone." He pointed to one on a shelf. "People are 
starting to call each other. There have been a lot of changes thanks to this 
government. But we are still Warao and we must preserve our language and way 
of life." That may be a challenge: 20 villagers were sitting on a palm-wood 
floor watching an Ecuadorian group on a television set hooked up to a DVD 
player. On screen girls in skimpy thongs and bras were swaying, all hips and 
breasts.

No work, no help

Guarakajara has about 500 inhabitants. They live off their crafts, some 
cultivation (mostly maize), hunting and fishing. The Warao ("masters of the 
canoe") were once nomadic but have been settled for years. Calabashes have 
given way to plastic basins, bow and arrows to rifles. But local resources 
are running out and there is malnutrition. Some Warao work for the school or 
the dispensary, hence the television. Others have nothing. "There is no work 
here, nobody helps us." They have only partly assimilated their new 
lifestyle and, although they speak about the forest, the river, nature and 
the environment, everyone chucks their waste into the water along with jerry 
cans, plastic bags and bottles. The result is a stinking cesspool.

The delta has been abandoned to its fate. "The government has given us many 
outboard motors to help us get around," said one Warao. The communal 
councils, set up in 2006 to give communities a voice and manage their 
budgets, have allocated resources. Deserios Silva said: "We voted for our 
budget and I'm responsible for it. That's new and it's a good thing. But I 
haven't had any schooling, I don't know how to draw up a project." Things 
are at a standstill.

Maria Chavy is a coordinator for the ministry for popular participation and 
social development (Minpades). She moves between the delta's four 
municipalities (Tucupita, Casa Coíma, Antonio Díaz and Pedernales) to train 
people and strengthen local institutions. She has had some success. Thanks 
to the communal councils, the 19 indigenous communities of Pedernales have 
projects in fishing, culture and crafts. Elsewhere the situation is more 
complex, as in Guarakajara. "The Warao are organised by nature, but they 
have an oral tradition. Our role is to teach them to communicate with 
institutions and prepare these for dealing with them." There are many 
obstacles, despite the government's obvious political will. "We are 
frequently in conflict with the politicians who come to the communities and 
change the projects. And unfortunately in some cases the resources only 
benefit the few."

"Just because we're Indian doesn't mean we're perfect," said Daniel Castro. 
"We too have corruption and conflict." Even here in the delta, in La 
Culebrita. The communal council project was to buy 10 small boats and nets 
to help fishermen; to build decent latrines; to supply electricity (for 
Chávez was here). The only generator should work 24/7 on free diesel from 
government and municipal subsidies. But everyone complains that the Warao in 
charge of the generator "only turns it on at 4pm and then stops it at 10pm 
on the pretext that it will break down if he keeps it on. And he makes us 
pay for the diesel for those few hours." The rest of the fuel may disappear 
among the smugglers of the delta's aquatic maze. The islands of Trinidad and 
Tobago, where cheap black-market diesel is appreciated, are not far away. In 
La Culebrita no one has got any richer and the meagre income from 
handicrafts now has to pay for electricity.

A vertical democracy

The communal councils generate problems. The Barí are traditionally 
organised in a vertical democracy and they integrate effortlessly. But the 
caciques, councils of elders, and shamans of the Warao and the Yupa do not 
approve of newly-elected upstarts who undermine their traditional authority, 
and there are divisions. Indigenous people in Merida are intimidated by 
politicians with ties to their traditional parties, who often retain a local 
power base.

Indigenous peoples do not have the same concept of time and money as 
Creoles. They have no idea of investment. "The reason the communal councils 
have been so successful," observed Daniel Castro, "is because they have been 
adopted at grassroots level. The situation is more complicated with the 
Indians, but they do understand what is happening and try to translate it 
into their own vision of things. It takes more time here than elsewhere in 
the country, but it's beginning to pay off."

The Barí are satisfied about some things. "Previous governments did nothing. 
We've got problems but Chávez helps us and we're grateful for that." Yet 
they have grounds for complaint. The Land Law was passed in January 2001. 
They delimited their territory after long discussions with elders and 
chiefs, school teachers and peasants. They noted the mountains on which 
their ancestors trod and their sacred sites, and did not to pay too much 
attention to "ecologists", self-proclaimed anarchist Creoles who urged them 
to ask for more, telling them that the Barí once occupied all the land up to 
Maracaibo, "from the frontier zone at Río de Oro up to Río Santa Rosa, 2,000 
hectares".

The government promised them the deeds to their collective land last 
October. "And since then, nothing." "Everything has ground to a halt." 
Nobody seems to know what is going on. Some people believe that because of 
the low population density in the indigenous region (only about 1,600 
people) the government would create a latifundio (large private estate), by 
handing over the land. Others blame the inertia and inefficiency of civil 
servants. But there is also talk about the armed forces, concerned that the 
Barí are acquiring so much autonomy in a sensitive security zone close to 
the Colombian border, and the interests of the large landowners. The real 
concern is that the mining companies have an obvious reason to stop 
territorial demarcation.

The law stipulates that once the tribes own their land they must be 
consulted about the exploitation of its resources. The decision will be 
theirs. That represents progress because previously ("before our President 
Chávez"), mining companies were free to ravage the rivers and forests, free 
of environmental protection constraints, to amass huge tax-free profits. 
There were frequent, sometimes violent, conflicts between the tribes and the 
police, the national guard and the army.

Strategic reserves

The main indigenous states, Amazonas, Bolivar and Zulia, have considerable 
strategic reserves: uranium, gold, other precious metals and coal. The Barí 
have always known that. When the politicians and the landowners become 
interested in the Sierra de Périja, bank notes grow instead of trees and 
devastation begins. It is not only bad for the Barí. Water from the sierra 
supplies Maracaibo, where it is often in short supply.

Under previous presidencies two coal mines were opened in the north of 
Zulia, the state inhabited by Wayuú, Barí and Yukpa. State institutions 
connected to multinationals such as the Zulia Region Development Corporation 
(Corpozulia) and its subsidiary Carbozulia are lobbying to develop the 
business. They have fought for two years, and sometimes the conflict is 
between indigenous peoples. The mines employ 7,000 (including many Wayuú) 
extracting, transporting and exporting coal. "They don't defend their land," 
said a Barí from Karañakal in the Sierra de Périja. "They just sell 
themselves to anyone who comes along and offers them money. It's different 
with us Barí."

In Saimadoyi, Chávez confirmed in 1999 that coal would not be mined if it 
caused environmental damage. Nevertheless, the delay in the land demarcation 
process allowed curious developments. Groups of "ecologists" organised 
anti-Chávez campaigns, accusing him of having connections with 
multinationals. The groups were few in number, but had considerable media 
clout through the internet. They included the environmental NGO Homo et 
Natura, and were supported by progressive websites abroad and on web pages 
financed by the Rockefeller Foundation. "People use the Indians to defend 
their own interests," said Daniel Castro, "When we go to see them they don't 
say the same thing. Sometimes they even say the opposite."

>From the state TV channel Vive, Venezuelans learnt that the "ecologists" do 
not speak for the indigenous peoples, who have their own voice. The Barí 
spoke on Vive, and were heard. On presidential order, the minister of the 
environment, Yubiri Ortega de Carrizalez, announced in March that the 
government would not authorise any new mines in Zulia or the expansion of 
existing ones. The government has adopted a long-term view and is now 
considering a different development strategy, which could include 
agriculture, cattle breeding and tourism.

Projects proliferate: land demarcation in the states of Anzoategui and 
Monagas, ambulance boats for the Amazonas, Bolivar and Apure rivers, solar 
panels for Apure communities, and food distribution in the Amacuro delta. 
The revolution may be slipshod but it has not skimped on organisations: the 
Regional Institute of indigenous affairs (which depends on the governors), 
the Regional Division of indigenous affairs, the policy missions such as 
Gaicaipuro (social policy), Robinsón (literacy), Rivas (secondary 
education), Barrio Adentro (health). Even those involved get confused, like 
the headman of Karañakal: "A civil servant shows up one day, then another 
one the next, and then another; we don't understand a thing."

To remedy the situation the Indigenous Peoples ministry was established in 
2006, headed by Nicia Maldonado, and local coordinators were appointed. 
Daniel Castro observes: "You have to draw a distinction between the 
political discourse and what is happening on the ground. It's not that 
they're contradictory, it's just that they take place in different time 
zones.

"Success comes slowly on the ground. But at least we know where we are 
going."

Translated by Krystyna Horko




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According to "Abu Muhammed," a prisoner leader at the notorious Ketziot 
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have been forcibly segregating prisoners, especially those affiliated with 
Fatah and Hamas.

"They are doing this by coercion and against the will of the prisoners. 
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provocative measures," said Abu Muhammed (nom de guerre) in a telephone 
call.

He said prisoners were being taken out of their wards and placed in other 
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"They are separating and segregating us according to our political and 
geographical affiliation. Gazans are placed alone, detainees from Hebron are 
placed alone. Islamic Jihad prisoners are also placed in a separate place so 
are the followers of the leftist organizations."

Abu Muhammed described the "onslaught" as ferocious and barbaric.

"They are trying to create problems, namely fostering the same divisive 
atmosphere in the West Bank and Gaza inside the prisons when in fact there 
are no real problems among the prisoners who are clinging to national unity.

"The prison authorities claim that they want to prevent infighting among 
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Abu Muhammed said all prisoners, irrespective of their ideological and 
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Palestinian political prisoners and detainees along political and factional 
lines, prisoners and human rights sources said Thursday.

According to "Abu Muhammed," a prisoner leader at the notorious Ketziot 
detention camp in the Negev desert, Israeli soldiers and Shin Beth agents 
have been forcibly segregating prisoners, especially those affiliated with 
Fatah and Hamas.

"They are doing this by coercion and against the will of the prisoners. 
There are no problems between the prisoners who totally reject these 
provocative measures," said Abu Muhammed (nom de guerre) in a telephone 
call.

He said prisoners were being taken out of their wards and placed in other 
wards.

"They are separating and segregating us according to our political and 
geographical affiliation. Gazans are placed alone, detainees from Hebron are 
placed alone. Islamic Jihad prisoners are also placed in a separate place so 
are the followers of the leftist organizations."

Abu Muhammed described the "onslaught" as ferocious and barbaric.

"They are trying to create problems, namely fostering the same divisive 
atmosphere in the West Bank and Gaza inside the prisons when in fact there 
are no real problems among the prisoners who are clinging to national unity.

"The prison authorities claim that they want to prevent infighting among 
prisoners. But in reality there is no infighting or anything of this sort 
and what they are trying to do is to create divisions and divisiveness so 
that they could effect the old colonialist policy of divide and conquer."

Abu Muhammed said all prisoners, irrespective of their ideological and 
political affiliations, were strongly against the policy of segregation 
which he said was aimed at serving the hostile Israeli goals of fostering 
disunity and divisiveness among Palestinians.

Abu Muhammed also pointed out that prisoners would seek to overcome the 
impact of the new measures by creating alternative means of communication 
with the different wards.

Finally, Abu Muahmmd called on the International Committee of the Red Cross 
to investigate the latest Israeli measures and pressurize the Israeli 
government to stop them immediately.

Israel is currently holding as many as 11000 Palestinian prisoners and 
political detainees, including more than 60 elected members of parliament 
and government officials as hostages.

The Israeli apartheid regime is also holding hundreds of activists as 
captives and hostages without charge or trial.

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per night, most of them are sent to the notorious Ketziot camp in the Negev 
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· Vote would block funds for eastern Europe project
· Committee says system too costly and untested

Ewen MacAskill in Washington
Friday July 6, 2007
The Guardian


President George Bush's controversial plan to establish a missile defence 
system in eastern Europe could be scuppered next week if Congress votes to 
block funding.
The Senate appears ready to join the House in cutting from the defence 
budget the millions Mr Bush requested to fund US missile bases in Poland and 
the Czech Republic. The president would have to use his veto to go ahead but 
that would put the whole defence budget in peril.


The Senate move would add to the lengthy list of obstacles that have built 
up to Mr Bush's plan. A consequence would be to end the stand-off with 
Moscow, which views the missile system as a threat. Speaking on Monday at 
the Bush family retreat in Kennebunkport, Maine, the Russian president, 
Vladimir Putin, reiterated his opposition to placing the missile system so 
close to Russia. There is also opposition within Poland and the Czech 
Republic.
Congress is seeking ways to reduce the 2008 defence budget that has already 
ballooned because of the billions needed for Mr Bush's Iraq "surge". The 
House voted last month to cut the $40m (£19.9m) needed to begin preparations 
to establish bases in Poland and the Czech Republic.

The Senate armed forces committee, which has been looking in detail at the 
missile plan, has come out against it not only on cost grounds but because 
it is sceptical about the technology. Mr Bush wants to place 10 interceptor 
missiles in silos in Poland and a radar tracking system in the Czech 
Republic. He insists they would be aimed not against Moscow but Iran, but Mr 
Putin has not been persuaded.

The Senate committee said that work should be delayed until the stand-off is 
resolved. Negotiations between the US and the Polish and Czech governments 
have also not been completed.

The Bush administration, in evidence to a committee hearing, argued that it 
would be dangerous to delay because Iran may be further forward in 
developing its alleged nuclear weapon programme than the rest of the world 
realises. But the committee's conclusion, reported in the Washington Post 
yesterday, said: "There is uncertainty about whether Iran will have such 
long-range missiles, or nuclear warheads that could work on such missiles, 
by 2015."

The committee said that the US missile "has not yet been developed...and is 
not currently planned to be flight-tested until 2010". It also said that 
going ahead without Nato, which has not yet decided whether to participate, 
would cost the US an estimated $4bn up to 2013.

On Wednesday, Sergei Ivanov, a Russian deputy prime minister, warned of a 
new arms race if the US went ahead. He said this could be avoided if the US 
adopted a plan suggested by Mr Putin to base the US missile system in 
Azerbaijan and Russia - a plan rejected by Mr Bush on Monday.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2120071,00.html 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Gentile Mirelle"  wrote in message 
> news:1183708792.385313.83540@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 6, 12:19 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>> shut up dooddoo on new york some dirty old rabbi gave herpes to some 
>>> little
>>> children while doing the same thing
>>
>> http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/mohel.htm
>
> Dummy
 YOU ARE A DUMMY,AND AN IGNORANT IDIOT! RABBI DID BITE FORESKIN OF ABOUT 100 
BABIES AND GAVE THEM ALL HERPES 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> [The euro-weenies will never learn... They are like a little kid that is 
> not potty trained, and are embarrassed when the parent tries to teach 
> them. They have no clue of what they did wrong...It is almost comical, but 
> it is sad that in real life they have no idea....]
>
> Three days after the botched terror attacks in the UK a newspaper banner 
> reads:  "Londoners return to business as usual." Regrettably, that often 
> means minding one's own business. It is a perfidious dream to believe 
> there is an anti-terrorism vaccine or other panacea. However, there is a 
> first line of defense against terrorist attacks; it is called prevention 
> and it involves public awareness, alertness, suspicion, and profiling.

FUCK YEAH! "SUSPICION"ESPECIALLY! THAT IS WHAT HITLER SAID IN 1937!  AND 
ANTE PAVELIC IN 1941 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> So writes Melanie Phillips on her personal website, Melaniephillips.com, 
> in today's must-read column. She lays out clearly the 
> willful-self-delusion behind PM Brown's position that "Muslim" and 
> "terrorist" should not be linked.
 WHO IS A TERRORIST IN IRAQ AND PALESTINE? ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THOSE WHO 
ARE BEING VANTONLY MURDERED ARE "TERRORISTS"?IF YOU DO YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR 
MIND. HITLER CALLED THOSE WHO FOUGHT HIM; "BANDITS". SAME THING! 




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"captain."  wrote in message 
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>
> they are already "getting" the oil. they are buying it at market price 
> like everyone else and investing in the oil fields just like china, the 
> british, etc...
> the longer it stays here, the stronger canada will get. in my generation 
> alone there have blossomed many fresh patriots. "manifest destiny" was not 
> acted on when it could have worked. now it's too late.

God bless Trudeau!
>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>> The Plan to Disappear Canada
>> 'Deep integration' comes out of shadows
>>
>> By Murray Dobbin
>>
>> Global Research, June 30, 2007
>> TheTyee.ca - 2007-06-08
>>
>> If the machinations going on in this country regarding so-called "deep 
>> integration" were instead a communist conspiracy to take over the country 
>> (you will, of course, have to try hard to imagine this) the news media 
>> would be blaring the story.
>>
>> Pundits would pontificate, editorialists would erupt, security forces 
>> would be unleashed.
>>
>> Instead, a virtual conspiracy to make the country disappear through 
>> assimilation into the U.S. gets barely a mention.
>>
>> But news of the scheme - formally called the Security and Prosperity 
>> Partnership of North America (SPP) - is finally breaking out of the 
>> secret chambers of the ruling elite and the federal government. This is 
>> both good news and bad. It's good that ordinary citizens are finally 
>> getting a glimpse of the betrayal of their country. The news is bad 
>> because it reflects just how much of this scheme is already being 
>> implemented.
>>
>> Given the meetings of CEOs and politicians to advance the scheme 
>> politically, as well as all that must go into its actual implementation, 
>> there is simply too much activity to keep secret.
>>
>> Ten dots to connect
>>
>> Here are 10 developments in the plan to disappear Canada.
>>
>> 1) Pesticides 'harmonized.' The most thoroughly reported story (though 
>> even this did not go much beyond the CanWest chain) was the revelation 
>> that Canada was about to "harmonize" its regulations, setting limits for 
>> pesticide residue on fruits and vegetables. In 40 per cent of the cases, 
>> the U.S. allows for higher levels. Richard Aucoin, chief registrar of the 
>> Pest Management Regulatory Agency, which sets Canada's pesticide levels, 
>> said that Canada's higher levels were a "trade irritant."
>>
>> The downgrading of health protection had been a NAFTA initiative, but is 
>> being "fast-tracked" as part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership. 
>> This is just the tip of the iceberg. Some 300 regulatory regimes are 
>> currently going through the same process.
>>
>> 2) Tory tirade. The next story that broke through the wall of media 
>> silence reported on the paranoid reaction of the Harper Conservatives to 
>> any criticism of the SPP. The occasion was hearings of the Commons 
>> International Trade Committee into the SPP, forced by the NDP.
>>
>> Gordon Laxer, head of Alberta's Parkland Institute, was testifying on the 
>> energy implications of the SPP, warning that eastern Canada could end up 
>> "freezing in the dark." He had barely started when the chair of the 
>> committee, Conservative MP Leon Benoit, demanded that Laxer halt his 
>> "irrelevant" testimony. The Committee members overruled Benoit - who 
>> promptly (and illegally) adjourned the meeting and stomped out. The NDP 
>> and Liberal members nonetheless continued without him.
>>
>> 3) Council of corporate power. The SPP initiative began in earnest back 
>> in 2002 with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (formerly the 
>> BCNI), the most powerful corporate body in the country. It continues it 
>> leadership role, but does not promote the scheme just in its own name. It 
>> instead has helped create several supportive bodies that now help drive 
>> the agenda. Included in these are the North American Competitive Council 
>> (NACC), which includes CEOs of the largest North American corporations, 
>> and which institutionalizes the exclusively corporate nature of the 
>> agreement. The NACC is the only advisory group to the three NAFTA/SPP 
>> governments.
>>
>> 4) Secretive summit. The NACC at least is public. But much of what 
>> happens in building the elite consensus for deep integration is done in 
>> absolute secrecy or very privately, away from the prying eyes of the 
>> media. The most secretive of these was held last year from Sept. 12 to 
>> 14, in Banff Springs. As The Tyee reported, the gathering was sponsored 
>> by something called the North American Forum* and it was attended by some 
>> of the most powerful members of the North American ruling elite.
>>
>> Attendees, according to a leaked list that could not be confirmed, 
>> included Donald Rumsfeld, George Schultz (former U.S. Secretary of 
>> State), General Rick Hillier, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor and 
>> Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day. The media was not informed of 
>> the meeting and it was first revealed by the weekly Banff Crag & Canyon.
>>
>> Stockwell Day refused to even confirm he was there, but said that even if 
>> he was, it was a "private" meeting that he would not comment on. There is 
>> no better indication that these meetings, and the SPP itself, constitute 
>> a parallel governing structure - unaccountable to any democratic 
>> institution or the public.
>>
>> 5) 'No fly' coordination. Canada will have its own "no-fly" list just 
>> like our U.S. "partner."
>>
>> As the Council of Canadians pointed out: "The no-fly list is very much a 
>> Security and Prosperity Partnership initiative. 'The SPP Report to 
>> Leaders, August 2006' outlines 105 SPP initiatives. Initiative #93 
>> states, 'Develop, test, evaluate and implement a plan to establish 
>> comparable aviation passenger screening, and the screening of baggage and 
>> air cargo (for North America).'"
>>
>> Canada's privacy commissioner Jennifer Stoddart has raised a number of 
>> concerns about the plan including the fact that the list will be shared 
>> with the U.S., that "false positives" are a virtual certainty, and that 
>> there is no evidence put forward by the government that the list will 
>> improve airline security.
>>
>> 6) Bye, bye Canadian dollar? David Dodge, the head of the Bank of Canada, 
>> told a Chicago audience that a single currency for North America "is 
>> possible." That would see a big chunk of Canadian sovereignty and the 
>> ability to guide the economy through monetary policy go out the window. 
>> It's not the first time Dodge has mused about abandoning the Canadian 
>> dollar - or deep integration.
>>
>> 7) Water and oil giveaways. The deep integrationists clearly see Canadian 
>> water as a North American resource, not a Canadian resource. At yet 
>> another very private meeting, held in Calgary on April 27th under the 
>> auspices of yet another forum, it was made clear that water is on the 
>> table for negotiation.
>>
>> Discussion of bulk "water transfers" and diversions took place at a 
>> Calgary meeting of the North American Future 2025 Project (partly funded 
>> by the U.S. government). The meeting based its deliberations on the false 
>> notion that Canada has 20 per cent of the world's fresh water. Actual 
>> available supply amounts to only around six per cent - about the same as 
>> has the U.S.
>>
>> The water (and environment) meeting was preceded by another on April 26th 
>> talking about "North American" energy. The beneficiary of these 
>> discussions is pretty clear when you realize Canada has no national 
>> energy policy. We are the only energy exporting country in the world 
>> without a one.
>>
>> Gordon Laxer told the Parliamentary committee: "The National Energy Board 
>> wrote me on April 12: 'Unfortunately, the NEB has not undertaken any 
>> studies on security of supply.'" He was also told by the NEB that Canada 
>> does not maintain a 90 day energy reserve as other developed nations do. 
>> As Laxer points out, "Canada may be a net exporter, but it still imports 
>> 40 per cent of its oil - 850,000 barrels per day - to meet 90 per cent of 
>> Atlantic Canada's and Quebec's needs, and 40 per cent of Ontario's."
>>
>> Canada exports 63 per cent of its oil production and 56 per cent of its 
>> natural gas, percentages that can never decrease under NAFTA.
>>
>> 8) NAFTA Superhighway. State governments in the U.S. are becoming 
>> increasingly alarmed at the prospects of deep integration. Earlier this 
>> year, Idaho became the first state to pass a legislative resolution 
>> directing the U.S. Congress to drop out of the SPP, which is referred to 
>> as the North American Union amongst U.S. opponents. Thirteen states in 
>> addition to Idaho are calling on Congress to abandon the SPP: Georgia, 
>> Arizona, Missouri, Illinois, Oregon, Montana, South Carolina, Oklahoma, 
>> Utah, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Virginia.
>>
>> Part of the opposition is focused on plans for a so-called NAFTA 
>> Superhighway: actually a corridor several hundred metres wide including 
>> rail lines, freeways and pipelines from Mexico to the Canadian border. 
>> There is a growing grass roots movement against the SPP in the U.S., but 
>> led by the right over the issue of compromising American sovereignty.
>>
>> 9) Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement (TILMA). While U.S. 
>> states, concerned about state rights under an unaccountable "North 
>> American Union," are organizing against the scheme, Canadian provinces 
>> are either blithely unaware or knowingly complicit in the deal. More 
>> Canadians may be aware of TILMA - the investors' rights agreement between 
>> B.C. and Albert - than they are about the SPP, but in reality they are 
>> one and the same.
>>
>> TILMA is major piece of the deep integration, deregulation imperative and 
>> fits hand in glove with the SPP. There is a similar, though more 
>> informal, process evolving in the Atlantic provinces, called "Atlantica." 
>> And B.C. is now pushing the so-called Gateway Initiative, a kind of 
>> regional superhighway project that will see huge and environmentally 
>> disastrous expansion of ports, highways and pipelines to further supply 
>> the U.S.'s insatiable demand for resources and cheap Asian goods.
>>
>> 10) The next SPP summit. The third leaders summit on the SPP will take 
>> place this August 21-22nd in Montebello, Quebec, not far from Ottawa. By 
>> the time it does many more Canadian will be aware of it.
>>
>> Part of the reason that news of the SPP/deep integration issue is finally 
>> seeing the light of day is that opposition is growing and groups fighting 
>> the SPP are having an impact. The Council of Canadians, the CLC and the 
>> Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives held an SPP teach-in in Ottawa 
>> last month and many civil society groups are now taking deep integration 
>> to their members. Demonstrations are planned for the summit. The NDP 
>> continues to press the government on SPP secrecy and the Green Party's 
>> Elizabeth May has said deep integration will be a focus of the party's 
>> election platform.
>>
>> It is hard to think of any other issue in modern Canadian history, 
>> especially one that will literally determine whether the country survives 
>> or not, that has taken so long to get public attention. I first wrote 
>> about it September, 2002.
>>
>> By the time the SPP summit has come and gone and the fall political 
>> season begins, deep integration, the most treacherous plan for the 
>> country yet devised by Bay Street, will be increasingly exposed.
>>
>> And by the next election, we could see a repeat of the great "free trade" 
>> election of 1988. This time we have to win.
>>
>>
>
> 




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 The only thing is that Nazi brutality did not come even close to the 
ZioNazi torture of Palestinian prisoners.

Hopefully, soon ZioNazis will get taste of their own medicine! 




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Defending your country is not blackmail. It is blackmail when other people 
instal"defensive weapon" which can easily be turned into an offensive one, 
right on your border. Especially knowing full well that they are after your 
oil!

"xolodilnik"  wrote in message 
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> Russian nuclear missiles to Kaliningrad....
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=a_yKAw2foe4U&refer=europe
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Criminal."
>
> That's how Jimmy Carter recently described the Bush administration's 
> refusal
> to support Hamas and its terrorist campaign against the state of Israel. A
> curious lapse from a human-rights champion?

Isreal's human rights record speaks for itself. Eleven murdered Palestinians 
just yesterday, and you scum dare to call Hamas "terrorist"

THERE WILL BE PAYBACKTIME VERY SOON! 




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Subject: Re: Did the Holocaust really happen or is it just an urban legend???
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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> On Jul 6, 1:28 pm, "Lucas J. Riesau"  wrote:
>> I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
>> World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
>> is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
>> just an urban legend.
>>
>> So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
>> urban legends???<

SOME OF THE STORIES HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH. MOST ARE BULLSHIT

The biggest Holocaust known to men occured between 1917and 1989, when Jewish 
Commissars slaughtered millions of Russians and Ukrainians. 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> "Lucas J. Riesau"  wrote in message
> news:1183742883.754698.183180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
>> World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
>> is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
>> just an urban legend.
>>
>> So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
>> urban legends???<
>
> UFPs. Jews are aliens

They are aliens, allright. They were hatched in Khazaria by crossing the 
Mongol tribes with Slavic Russians and making them embrace Judaism 




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"captain."  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>> "xolodilnik"  wrote in message 
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>>> "captain."  wrote in message 
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>>>> horosho.
>>
>> Ochen horosho!Putin and Russia have come along way, since the bloody Jews 
>> left for Israel!
>
> i got bad news for you abraham:
> jews live in sochi too.
>
That sure screws things up! What about Birobidzan?I thought they were making 
a killing selling dope to Chinese across the river 




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 PUMP GAS YOU SON OF A BITCH, RATHER THAN STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S BOOZE 




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"jbeck"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>>> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>>>> On Jul 5, 7:56 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>>>>> The day after Hamas gained the release of a  BBC Reporter kidnapped in
>>>>> Gaza, the IDF showed its stuff by shooting a reporter, and then in a
>>>>> demonstration of just how immoral the Israeli Army is, they took pot
>>>>> shots at the wounded reporter as he lay already horribly wounded from
>>>>> theri reckless fire.   IDF propagandists in
>>>>
>>>> Israelis are fascist thugs , They are far worse, far more brutal than
>>>> any German Nazi ever was.
>>
>> This assessment is based upon the atrocities comitted by the ZioNazis.
>
> Whatever Nazi.
 NAZI YOURSELF, AND A COWARDLY SCUM, TOO! 




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 The Murder of Policewoman Yvonne Fletcher, copyright Joe Vialls

On the 17th April 1984, policewoman Yvonne Fletcher was shot in the back 
while on crowd control duties outside the Libyan Embassy in London. In the 
ensuing media frenzy, Libya was accused of ordering her death, and its 
diplomatic personnel were expelled from the Embassy and from London. The 
subsequent coronial inquest into her death was rushed and lacking in detail. 
On closer examination of the available scientific evidence, it became very 
clear that the shot which killed Yvonne Fletcher could not have been fired 
>from the Libyan Embassy, but only from Enserch House a few doors away. 
In-depth investigation proved links between this building in 1984 directly 
to the CIA, and indirectly to the Israeli Mossad. Exactly why these two 
agencies ordered the execution of an unarmed policewoman doing her duty on 
the streets of London is unclear, but general motivation seems obvious. 
Israel in particular has always viewed Libya as an enemy, and the murder of 
Yvonne Fletcher completely undermined Libya's standing in the international 
community. In addition, economic sanctions rapidly imposed on Libya caused 
severe damage to its defence, health and other internal structures. 




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"Raymond"  wrote in message 
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July 5, 2007 at 05:53:29

Libby a Long-Time Mossad Agent

by Wayne Madsen     Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been a long-serving intelligence agent
for Israel's Mossad, according to a veteran CIA "official cover"
officer who spoke to WMR on deep background. The CIA's Clandestine
Service has, over the years, gathered a tremendous amount of
intelligence on Libby's activities on behalf of Mossad.

Libby served as the lawyer for Switzerland-based American fugitive
financier Marc Rich, aka Mark David Reich, who is also known to be an
Israeli intelligence asset and someone Israel relies upon for missions
that demand "plausible deniability" on the part of the Mossad. Rich
heads up a worldwide empire of dummy corporations, foundations, and
numbered bank accounts that have been involved in sanctions busting
and weapons smuggling. The nations involved include  Israel, United
States, United Kingdom, Iran, Panama, Colombia, Russia, Iraq (under
Saddam Hussein), Cuba, Spain, Nigeria, Singapore, Bolivia, Jamaica,
Bermuda, France, Italy, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Austria,
Kazakhstan, Philippines, Australia, Argentina, Peru, Ireland, Zambia,
Sweden, Monaco, and apartheid South Africa.


In 1983, the then-U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York
urged jail time for Rich and his partner Pincus Green for
racketeering. The name of that U.S. Attorney is Rudolph Giuliani.
Giuliani, who is now running for president, praised Bush's decision to
commute Libby's jail sentence. After Clinton's pardon of Rich,
Giuliani said he was "shocked." Paul Klebnikov, the Moscow editor for
Forbes' Russian edition, wrote about the connections of Rich to
Russian gangsters like Boris Berezovsky, a business partner of Neil
Bush, in his book "Godfather of the Kremlin." Klebnikov was shot to
death gangland-style on a Moscow street on July 9, 2004.

Libby not only provided the Mossad with a top agent inside the White
House but also an important conduit for the Russian-Israeli Mafia.

Libby arranged for Rich's eleventh hour pardon by outgoing President
Bill Clinton in January 2001. The pardon of Rich was urged in a phone
call to Clinton by then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, as well as
Shimon Peres and Ehud Olmert.

Yesterday, Libby received a commutation of his 30-month prison
sentence from President George W. Bush. Libby was convicted on four
counts of perjury, lying to a federal law enforcement officer, and
obstruction of justice in the investigation by U.S. Special Counsel
Patrick Fitzgerald of the White House's leak to the media of the
identity CIA non-official cover officer Valerie Plame Wilson.

Libby was denied bail by U.S. Judge Reggie Walton and was ordered to
prison while appealing his sentence. Libby was assigned Bureau of
Prisons inmate number 28301-016.

Libby worked for Paul Wolfowitz in the State Department's Bureau of
East Asian and Pacific Affairs from 1982 to 1985. Libby again worked
for Wolfowitz in the Pentagon as the Principal Undersecretary for
Strategy and Resources. Libby later became the Deputy Undersecretary
of Defense for Policy and served as a chief aide to Defense Secretary
Dick Cheney.

It was while Libby was working for Wolfowitz at State, the FBI
arrested Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, who had delivered enough highly-
classified U.S. documents they could have entirely filled a garage. It
was well known that Pollard had a "control officer" within the Reagan
administration. The control officer was code-named "Mega."

Current British Lord Chancellor and former British Foreign Secretary
Jack Straw said that during Middle East peace talks between Israel and
the Palestinians, "It's a toss-up whether [Libby] is working for the
Israelis or the Americans on any given day." Clinton's Deputy Attorney
General Eric Holder told the House Government Affairs Committee in
2001 that he discovered much more about Rich after Clinton's pardon
and said, "Knowing everything that I know now, I would not have
recommended to the president that he grant the pardon."

It has also been reported that, in addition to pressure from leading
neocons in the United States to keep Libby out of jail, Bush was urged
by leading Israeli government officials to prevent Libby from going to
prison.

Fitzgerald issued the following statement regarding Bush's commutation
of Libby's prison sentence:

"We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation
decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not
comment on the exercise of that prerogative.

We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the
sentence imposed by the judge as 'excessive.' The sentence in this
case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which
occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced
federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then
imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is
fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar
of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the
trial and the sentencing.

Although the President's decision eliminates Mr. Libby's sentence of
imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious
felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions
through the appeals process."

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/78845/Libby_A_Long_Time_Mossad_Agent

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

For more, visit Wayne Madsen Report, which its publisher, Wayne
Madsen, keeps refreshed with more news than any one reporter has a
right to.

Wayne Madsen is an investigative journalist, nationally distributed
columnist, and author who has covered Washington, DC, politics,
national security, and intelligence issues since 1994. He has written
for The Village Voice, The Progressive, CAQ, Counterpunch, and the
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Look for his new book, Overthrow a Fascist Regime on $15 a Day: The
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Mossad
Hebrew: HaMossad LeModein Ve Tafkidim Meyuhadim

The country where Mossad has most agents, is in the USA, where they
serve an important role in directing US Mid-East policy. Are they in
the Congress--House and Senate---as well?  Probably.

Treason, which begins by being cautious, ends by betraying itself.
      - Alphonse de Lamartine

The Influence of Israel and its American Lobby over US Middle East
Policy
Most important TOPIC facing Americans
WHAT SHOULD "WE" BE DOING FOR OUR COUNTRY ??
WE NEED COMPLETE CHANGE IN EVERY STEP & LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.
COMPLETE REFORM, AND FOR AMERICAN INTEREST ONLY. NOT ISRAEL'S

MOSSAD DIRECTORS

Reuven Shiloah 1951- 52
Isser Harel 1952- 63
Meir Amit 1963- 68
Zvi Zamir 1968- 74
Yitzhak Hofi 1974- 82
Nahum Admoni 1982- 89
>From 1989 until 1996, the heads of Mossad were a state secret.
Shabtai Shavit ?- 1996
Danny Yatom 1996- 98
Ephraim Halevy 1998- 2002
Meir Dagan 2002-

Israeli foreign intelligence service. The full name translated into
English is Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks. Mossad is the
most important, and famous of the five intelligence and espionage
organizations in Israel. But other organizations, like the military
one, represent larger institutions.

According to a report of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of
1976, published by Iranian authorities, Mossad consisted of 1,500 to
2,000 personnel, of which 500 were officers. Activities were divided
into 8 departments: 1) Operational planning and coordination, 2)
Collection, 3) Political action and liaison, 4) Manpower, finance,
logistics and security, 5) Training, 6) Research, 7) Technical
operations and 8) Technology. It is likely that Mossad remains of
about the same size today and covering about the same operations.

Mossad has agents in all important countries around the world, as well
as in Arab countries. It is alleged that the country where Mossad has
most agents, is in the USA, where they serve an important role in
directing US Mid-East policy. There are no evidence, but many
indications that Paul Wolfowitz, former Deputy Secretary of Defence,
hence a central member of the Bush administration of USA is working
closely with Mossad.

Mossad activity is diverse, and varies from silent operations like
monitoring individuals and organizations, to manipulating journalists,
politicians and organizations, to the kidnapping and killing of
individuals.

Mossad is often regarded as one the most effective and well-informed
intelligence organizations in the world, but there have been incidents
where innocents have been killed, and they never succeeded in their
many attempts of killing Saddam Hussein following the Second Gulf War
in 1991.

It is believed that Mossad has been one of the main providers of the
intelligence on Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction" and
nuclear programs, leading up to the US/British-Iraq War of 2003.

Mossad has been unusually crude in its work of defending Israeli and
Jewish interests abroad, and have had some of the most hated system
and state leaders as partners. They supported South Africa's apartheid
regime when no one else would, and provided arms and training for
dictators like Idi Amin of Uganda, Papa Doc and his succeeding son,
Baby Doc of Haiti, Augusto Pinochet of Chile, Ferdinand Marcos of the
Philippines, Manuel Noriega of Panama, Nicolai Ceaucescu of Rumania,
as well as the brutal Communist Dergue regime in Ethiopia.
HISTORY

1951 April: The small intelligence department sorting under the
foreign ministry, is replaced with Mossad which serves only under the
prime minister.
- June: Mossad's director, Reuven Shiloah signs a clandestine
agreement with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of the USA.
1960: Mossad kidnaps the Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in
Argentina, and brings him to Israel to stand trial for the killing of
Jews. He was sentenced to death (the only time in Israeli juridical
history), and hanged in 1962.
1972: Following the Palestinian terrorist attack on Israeli athletes
under the Olympics, Mossad assassinate 12 Palestinians involved in the
act.
1973 July 21: Mossad agents kill an innocent Moroccan civilian man in
Norway, believing him to be a Palestinian involved in the Olympic
killings. 6 Israelis are sentenced to prison for the murder, which is
criticized by Israeli press.
1975: Mossad arranges a secret meeting between prime minister Yitzhak
Rabin and king Hussein 1 of Jordan. A second meeting was held in 1977.
1976 July: Mossad agents storm the airport in Entebbe, Uganda where
100 hostages are being held on an airplane from Tel Aviv.
1979 April: Mossad agents blow up two nuclear cores while in France,
with Iraq as the destination.
1980 August: Mossad kills the Egyptian nuclear physicist Yahya al-
Mashad.
1981 June 4: Together with the military intelligence, Mossad organizes
an attack on a nuclear facility under construction near Baghdad.
1982 June: Israel invades Lebanon, following intelligence work
performed by Mossad.
1985 October 1: Together with the military intelligence, Mossad
organizes an attack on PLO headquarters south of Tunis, Tunisia,
killing 56 Palestinians.
1986 September: Mossad agents tricked Mordechai Vanunu to Rome to have
him arrested and sentenced to prison in Israel. Vanunu who had
informed Western newspapers about Israel's illegal development of
nuclear weapons.
1986 November: With the Irangate affair of the USA, Mossad proves to
have been helping in exporting arms to Iran and negotiating for the
release of US hostages in Lebanon.
1988 April: Mossad agents kill the Palestinian leader, Khalil Wazir in
Tunisia.
1991: Mossad agents tried to kill president Saddam Hussein of Iraq,
but didn't succeed.
1997: Mossad performs a bungled assassination attempt on Hamas leader
Khaled Mashaal in the middle of the streets in Amman, Jordan.
1999 August: It is believed that Mossad participate in the kidnap of
Kurdish leader Abdullah Öcalan in Kenya, in order to bring him in
front of a Turkish tribunal. Mossad denies this fiercly, but it has
been admitted earlier from Turkey that Mossad and Turkish agents had
been cooperating in the hunt of Öcalan.
2001 August-September: Mossad signals CIA of a coming attack from
Osama bin Laden group, but this is not taken serious by the
Americans.

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By: Tore Kjeilen

Shalom
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/mossad.htm
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=9962906&content_dir=ua_congressorg

When sometimes Jewish groups go too far. They want "hate crime" laws
but want to be free to spew hate for Palestinians, militia groups,
Iranians, Serbians and anyone else they deem an enemy. They condemn
Iran for supporting terrorism but make no mention when Mossad
assassinates people in other countries. Apparently Mossad
assassinations are ok. Is the current campaign against "hate crimes"
and "terrorism" a smokescreen for Jewish organizations to maintain the
power and control they have over the American press and US congress.
Does the Anti-Defamation League cooperate with Mossad? Where does
Jonathan Pollard fit in? Is there a Jewish conspiracy to make US
foreign policy captive of Israel?

Genug iz genug! - Enough is enough!  meshuga - crazy
farshtunken - smells bad, stinky

http://www.zpub.com/notes/enough.html

Seems to me that US government is polluted head to toe with the pro Zionist 
garbage like Libby. I have nothing against Jews, but when they comandeer the 
whole government of United States to their own purposes, that is the time to 
get them fired!




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"LIBERATOR"  wrote in message 
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:26:57 -0700, Rob Arndt 
wrote:

>Amazing, coming from a Thulist. But of course, Hitler promised all
>things to all people

 And delivered on the promises.

By Walter Ruthard

   I myself was brought up in a small village in the southwest of
Germany. In 1939, when the war broke out, we left for the less
exposed
Odenwald area until the possible danger of a French invasion had
passed. Shortly after that my father was transferred to the Ruhr
region. He as requested work as a foreman for the Mauser arms
factory.
The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
housing. The first child brought a reduction of the mortgage by 25
percent, and when the fourth child arrived the mortgage was no more.
My parents already had four children then and thus were eligible for
a
free newly built house from the government.


 This was but one of the many programs the government established in
order to improve the quality of life for its citizens...


  Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend
some
time in rural settings together with their children...


 Another very popular social program of the government was "Fraft
durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
for this purpose. On these ships there was only one class and
everybody was treated the same. They visited the Azores and
Spitsbergen among other places. Those ships were not allowed to dock
in and English port however. The reason was that the British
government did not want it's citizens to see what it also could have
done for them...


  The most misinterpreted program in Germany was the so-called
"Lebensborn". It was the exact opposite of what people are made to
believe it was, or should I say, of what people like to believe... The
Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
pregnancies and afterward as well. This was the Lebensborn, and any
other interpretation is plain hogwash...


  My father was able to buy not one but three guns plus two pistols,
together with plenty of ammunition. All it took him was proof that he
was indeed a German citizen without a criminal record. Then in 1945,
when the French "liberated" us, they disarmed him. I know that he was
not  the only one to have guns at home, because I saw the many, many
arms that were handed over to the French, and this was in a very
small
village...


Then, after the war was over, we had our first experience with a real
democracy. The French introduced it and gave us some shining
examples;
one was that the lived off the country and stole everything which
wasn't nailed down...


 It was not until many years later that I learned that Hitler held at
least five plebiscites during the first half of his rule. In
democratic Germany, from 1945 until today there has never been  a
plebiscite.


 There were foreign workers employed in Germany during WWII. I knew
one of them. He worked on a farm and was treated exactly like the son
who was in the army. After the war he stayed on and married the
daughter of the house. He was a prisoner of war from Poland and I
never saw him guarded by any policeman. This is how foreigners were
treated in Germany. They earned the same wages as the Germans, they
took part in the social insurance program, had paid-for holidays
including free train fares, and many came back with friends who also
wanted to work for these "horrible" Germans. Today they are called
slave laborer.


 Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
and above-average performance in schools qualified. But good
performers were promoted with all means available. Today we are much
more democratic; everyone is entitled to a university education and
if
the parents are wealthy enough, the son or daughter can study until
they are 35...


 Germany was also the country to introduce, in 1933, the first-ever
comprehensive animal protection law. Farm animals had to be kept in
strictly natural environments and no animal factories were allowed.
Of
course, no testing of products on animals was permitted, and no
kosher
slaughter.


  If new industrial facilities were built they had to conform to the
highest standards with adequate lighting and air inside, canteens
where the workers were served nutritious meals at affordable prices,
and beautiful lawns outside: all for the benefit of the workers...In
national socialist Germany, no child labor was allowed as it still
was
in other European countries.


And finally, although I could still go on for a while, I would like
to
mention that on express orders from Hitler himself, it was strictly
forbidden to use corporal punishment in the army. He was of the
opinion that in was incompatible with the honor of a German to be
punished by such degrading means.


 That was the Germany I grew up in, and I am glad that I did.

I tend to agree with you. I am a Slav, regarded as Untermensch by some 
"hoche Deutsche", but I tend to believe what you said about the socialist 
aspect of Hitler's Germany.

I never forget the line of suitcases mile long, on which Jews of Belgrade 
sat awaiting the train to take them to work in Germany. While sitting there 
on their suitcases, they studied German, and a studious Rabbi walked from 
one another correcting their pronounciation. Most of these Jews were highly 
trained in professions, and I am certain that Germany put their knowledge to 
good use. No they did not goin "cattle cars" to Germany!

 




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"Taxxcpa"  wrote in message 
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> Hitler may have been popular with some of the people in Germany, but he 
> was
> also responsible for killing off a multitude of German soldiers in his
> insane effort to win a war against the rest of the world.  Also there was 
> no
> justification for persecuting the Jews who, at their worst, could not have
> deserved such inhumane treatment.  Even those who mistreat animals are not
> tolerated in a civilized society.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing that Germans did to Jews that George 
Bush did not do Iraqis and Afghanis!

> "LIBERATOR"  wrote in message
> news:1183759019.809199.327170@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:26:57 -0700, Rob Arndt 
> wrote:
>
>>Amazing, coming from a Thulist. But of course, Hitler promised all
>>things to all people
>
> And delivered on the promises.
>
> By Walter Ruthard
>
>   I myself was brought up in a small village in the southwest of
> Germany. In 1939, when the war broke out, we left for the less
> exposed
> Odenwald area until the possible danger of a French invasion had
> passed. Shortly after that my father was transferred to the Ruhr
> region. He as requested work as a foreman for the Mauser arms
> factory.
> The government, true to their claims to be national and socialist,
> took their promises seriously and provided young people starting a
> family, as well as those who already had children, with affordable
> housing. The first child brought a reduction of the mortgage by 25
> percent, and when the fourth child arrived the mortgage was no more.
> My parents already had four children then and thus were eligible for
> a
> free newly built house from the government.
>
>
> This was but one of the many programs the government established in
> order to improve the quality of life for its citizens...
>
>
>  Then there was the "Kinderlandverschickung" program. It was started
> before the war and enabled mothers in need of recreation to spend
> some
> time in rural settings together with their children...
>
>
> Another very popular social program of the government was "Fraft
> durch Freude" (strength through joy). Here deserving workers could
> take all-inclusive tours on luxury liners that were built especially
> for this purpose. On these ships there was only one class and
> everybody was treated the same. They visited the Azores and
> Spitsbergen among other places. Those ships were not allowed to dock
> in and English port however. The reason was that the British
> government did not want it's citizens to see what it also could have
> done for them...
>
>
>  The most misinterpreted program in Germany was the so-called
> "Lebensborn". It was the exact opposite of what people are made to
> believe it was, or should I say, of what people like to believe... The
> Lebensborn was the institution to help unwed mothers who did not know
> where to turn for help. They were taken care of during their
> pregnancies and afterward as well. This was the Lebensborn, and any
> other interpretation is plain hogwash...
>
>
>  My father was able to buy not one but three guns plus two pistols,
> together with plenty of ammunition. All it took him was proof that he
> was indeed a German citizen without a criminal record. Then in 1945,
> when the French "liberated" us, they disarmed him. I know that he was
> not  the only one to have guns at home, because I saw the many, many
> arms that were handed over to the French, and this was in a very
> small
> village...
>
>
> Then, after the war was over, we had our first experience with a real
> democracy. The French introduced it and gave us some shining
> examples;
> one was that the lived off the country and stole everything which
> wasn't nailed down...
>
>
> It was not until many years later that I learned that Hitler held at
> least five plebiscites during the first half of his rule. In
> democratic Germany, from 1945 until today there has never been  a
> plebiscite.
>
>
> There were foreign workers employed in Germany during WWII. I knew
> one of them. He worked on a farm and was treated exactly like the son
> who was in the army. After the war he stayed on and married the
> daughter of the house. He was a prisoner of war from Poland and I
> never saw him guarded by any policeman. This is how foreigners were
> treated in Germany. They earned the same wages as the Germans, they
> took part in the social insurance program, had paid-for holidays
> including free train fares, and many came back with friends who also
> wanted to work for these "horrible" Germans. Today they are called
> slave laborer.
>
>
> Not everyone was entitled to go on to a university. Only good marks
> and above-average performance in schools qualified. But good
> performers were promoted with all means available. Today we are much
> more democratic; everyone is entitled to a university education and
> if
> the parents are wealthy enough, the son or daughter can study until
> they are 35...
>
>
> Germany was also the country to introduce, in 1933, the first-ever
> comprehensive animal protection law. Farm animals had to be kept in
> strictly natural environments and no animal factories were allowed.
> Of
> course, no testing of products on animals was permitted, and no
> kosher
> slaughter.
>
>
>  If new industrial facilities were built they had to conform to the
> highest standards with adequate lighting and air inside, canteens
> where the workers were served nutritious meals at affordable prices,
> and beautiful lawns outside: all for the benefit of the workers...In
> national socialist Germany, no child labor was allowed as it still
> was
> in other European countries.
>
>
> And finally, although I could still go on for a while, I would like
> to
> mention that on express orders from Hitler himself, it was strictly
> forbidden to use corporal punishment in the army. He was of the
> opinion that in was incompatible with the honor of a German to be
> punished by such degrading means.
>
>
> That was the Germany I grew up in, and I am glad that I did.
>
>
>
>> and infused whatever propaganda was necessary to
>>win support. His strength was not in what he said, but his great skill
>>at oratory,hand gestures, and personal charisma- arousing deep
>>emotions until the crowd was whipped up in a frenzy of national
>>socialism.
>
>
> Leon Degrelle
> "We have the power. Now our gigantic work begins."
> Those were Hitler's words on the night of January 30, 1933, as
> cheering crowds surged past him, for five long hours, beneath the
> windows of the Chancellery in Berlin.
> His political struggle had lasted 14 years. He himself was 43, that
> is, physically and intellectually at the peak of his powers. He had
> won over millions of Germans and organized them into Germany's
> largest
> and most dynamic political party, a party girded by a human rampart
> of
> hundreds of thousands of storm troopers, three fourths of them
> members
> of the working class. He had been extremely shrewd. All but toying
> with his adversaries, Hitler had, one after another, vanquished them
> all.
> Standing there at the window, his arm raised to the delirious throng,
> he must have known a feeling of triumph. But he seemed almost torpid,
> absorbed, as if lost in another world.
> It was a world far removed from the delirium in the street, a world
> of
> 65 million citizens who loved him or hated him, but all of whom, from
> that night on, had become his responsibility. And as he knew -- as
> almost all Germans knew on January 1933 -- that this was a crushing,
> an almost desperate responsibility.
> Half a century later, few people understand the crisis Germany faced
> at that time. Today, it's easy to assume that Germans have always
> been
> well-fed and even plump. But the Germans Hitler inherited were
> virtual
> skeletons.
> During the preceding years, a score of "democratic" governments had
> come and gone, often in utter confusion. Instead of alleviating the
> people's misery, they had increased it, due to their own instability:
> it was impossible for them to pursue any given plan for more than a
> year or two. Germany had arrived at a dead end. In just a few years
> there had been 224,000 suicides - a horrifying figure, bespeaking a
> state of misery even more horrifying.
> By the beginning of 1933, the misery of the German people was
> virtually universal. At least six million unemployed and hungry
> workers roamed aimlessly through the streets, receiving a pitiful
> unemployment benefit of less than 42 marks per month. Many of those
> out of work had families to feed, so that altogether some 20 million
> Germans, a third of the country's population, were reduced to trying
> to survive on about 40 pfennigs per person per day.
> Unemployment benefits, moreover, were limited to a period of six
> months. After that came only the meager misery allowance dispensed by
> the welfare offices.
> Notwithstanding the gross inadequacy of this assistance, by trying to
> save the six million unemployed from total destruction, even for just
> six months, both the state and local branches of the German
> government
> saw themselves brought to ruin: in 1932 alone such aid had swallowed
> up four billion marks, 57 percent of the total tax revenues of the
> federal government and the regional states. A good many German
> municipalities were bankrupt.
> Those still lucky enough to have some kind of job were not much
> better
> off. Workers and employees had taken a cut of 25 percent in their
> wages and salaries. Twenty-one percent of them were earning between
> 100 and 250 marks per month; 69.2 percent of them, in January of
> 1933,
> were being paid less than 1,200 marks annually. No more than about
> 100,000 Germans, it was estimated, were able to live without
> financial
> worries.
> During the three years before Hitler came to power, total earnings
> had
> fallen by more than half, from 23 billion marks to 11 billion. The
> average per capita income had dropped from 1,187 marks in 1929 to 627
> marks, a scarcely tolerable level, in 1932. By January 1933, when
> Hitler took office, 90 percent of the German people were destitute.
> No one escaped the strangling effects of the unemployment. The
> intellectuals were hit as hard as the working class. Of the 135,000
> university graduates, 60 percent were without jobs. Only a tiny
> minority was receiving unemployment benefits.
> "The others," wrote one foreign observer, Marcel Laloire (in his book
> New Germany), "are dependent on their parents or are sleeping in
> flophouses. In the daytime they can be seen on the boulevards of
> Berlin wearing signs on their backs to the effect that they will
> accept any kind of work."
> But there was no longer any kind of work.
> The same drastic fall-off had hit Germany's cottage industry, which
> comprised some four million workers. Its turnover had declined 55
> percent, with total sales plunging from 22 billion to 10 billion
> marks.
> Hardest hit of all were construction workers; 90 percent of them were
> unemployed.
> Farmers, too, had been ruined, crushed by losses amounting to 12
> billion marks. Many had been forced to mortgage their homes and their
> land. In 1932 just the interest on the loans they had incurred due to
> the crash was equivalent to 20 percent of the value of the
> agricultural production of the entire country. Those who were no
> longer able to meet the interest payments saw their farms auctioned
> off in legal proceedings: in the years 1931-1932, 17,157 farms --
> with
> a combined total area of 462,485 hectares - were liquidated in this
> way.
> The "democracy" of Germany's "Weimar Republic" (1918 -1933) had
> proven
> utterly ineffective in addressing such flagrant wrongs as this
> impoverishment of millions of farm workers, even though they were the
> nation's most stable and hardest working citizens. Plundered,
> dispossessed, abandoned: small wonder they heeded Hitler's call.
> Their situation on January 30, 1933, was tragic. Like the rest of
> Germany's working class, they had been betrayed by their political
> leaders, reduced to the alternatives of miserable wages, paltry and
> uncertain benefit payments, or the outright humiliation of begging.
> Germany's industries, once renowned everywhere in the world, were no
> longer prosperous, despite the millions of marks in gratuities that
> the financial magnates felt obliged to pour into the coffers of the
> parties in power before each election in order to secure their
> cooperation. For 14 years the well-blinkered conservatives and
> Christian democrats of the political center had been feeding at the
> trough just as greedily as their adversaries of the left...
> One inevitable consequence of this ever-increasing misery and
> uncertainty about the future was an abrupt decline in the birthrate.
> When your household savings are wiped out, and when you fear even
> greater calamities in the days ahead, you do not risk adding to the
> number of your dependents.
> In those days the birth rate was a reliable barometer of a country's
> prosperity. A child is a joy, unless you have nothing but a crust of
> bread to put in its little hand. And that's just the way it was with
> hundreds of thousands of German families in 1932...
> Hitler knew that he would be starting from zero. From less than zero.
> But he was also confident of his strength of will to create Germany
> anew -- politically, socially, financially, and economically. Now
> legally and officially in power, he was sure that he could quickly
> convert that cipher into a Germany more powerful than ever before.
> What support did he have?
> For one thing, he could count on the absolute support of millions of
> fanatical disciples. And on that January evening, they joyfully
> shared
> in the great thrill of victory. Some thirteen million Germans, many
> of
> them former Socialists and Communists, had voted for his party.
> But millions of Germans were still his adversaries, disconcerted
> adversaries, to be sure, whom their own political parties had
> betrayed, but who had still not been won over to National Socialism.
> The two sides -- those for and those against Hitler -- were very
> nearly equal in numbers. But whereas those on the left were divided
> among themselves, Hitler's disciples were strongly united. And in one
> thing above all, the National Socialists had an incomparable
> advantage: in their convictions and in their total faith in a leader.
> Their highly organized and well-disciplined party had contented with
> the worst kind of obstacles, and had overcome them...
> In the eyes of the capitalists, money was the sole active element in
> the flourishing of a country's economy. To Hitler's way of thinking,
> that conception was radically wrong: capital, on the contrary, was
> only an instrument. Work was the essential element: man's endeavor,
> man's honor, blood, muscles and soul.
> Hitler wanted not just to put an to the class struggle, but to
> reestablish the priority of the human being, in justice and respect,
> as the principal factor in production...
> For the worker's trust in the fatherland to be restored, he had to
> feel that from now on he was to be (and to be treated) as an equal,
> instead of remaining a social inferior. Under the governments of the
> so-called democratic parties of both the left and the right, he had
> remained an inferior; for none of them had understood that in the
> hierarchy of national values, work is the very essence of life; ...
> The objective, then, was far greater than merely getting six million
> unemployed back to work. It was to achieve a total revolution.
> "The people," Hitler declared, "were not put here on earth for the
> sake of the economy, and the economy doesn't exist for the sake of
> capital. On the contrary, capital is meant to serve the economy, and
> the economy in turn to serve the people."
> It would not be enough merely to reopen the thousands of closed
> factories and fill them with workers. If the old concepts still
> ruled,
> the workers would once again be nothing more than living machines,
> faceless and interchangeable...
> Nowhere in twentieth-century Europe had the authority of a head of
> state ever been based on such overwhelming and freely given national
> consent. Prior to Hitler, from 1919 to 1932, those governments
> piously
> styling themselves democratic had usually come to power by meager
> majorities, sometimes as low as 51 or 52 percent.
> "I am not a dictator," Hitler had often affirmed, "and I never will
> be. Democracy will be rigorously enforced by National Socialism."
> Authority does not mean tyranny. A tyrant is someone who puts himself
> in power without the will of the people or against the will of the
> people. A democrat is placed in power by the people. But democracy is
> not limited to a single formula. It may be partisan or parliamentary.
> Or it may be authoritarian. The important thing is that the people
> have wished it, chosen it, established it in its given form.
> That was the case with Hitler. He came to power in an essentially
> democratic way. Whether one likes it or not, this fact is undeniable.
> And after coming to power, his popular support measurably increased
> from year to year. The more intelligent and honest of his enemies
> have
> been obliged to admit this, men such as the declared anti-Nazi
> historian and professor Joachim Fest, who wrote:
> For Hitler was never interested in establishing a mere tyranny. Sheer
> greed for power will not suffice as explanation for his personality
> and energy -- He was not born to be a mere tyrant. He was fixated
> upon
> his mission of defending Europe and the Aryan race ... Never had he
> felt so dependent upon the masses as he did at this time, and he
> watched their reactions with anxious concern.
> These lines weren't written by Dr. Goebbels, but by a stern critic of
> Hitler and his career...
> When it came time to vote, Hitler was granted plenary powers with a
> sweeping majority of 441 votes to 94: he had won not just two thirds,
> but 82.44 percent of the assembly's votes. This "Enabling Act"
> granted
> Hitler for four years virtually absolute authority over the
> legislative as well as the executive affairs of the government...
> After 1945 the explanation that was routinely offered for all this
> was
> that the Germans had lost their heads. Whatever the case, it is a
> historical fact that they acted of their own free will. Far from
> being
> resigned, they were enthusiastic. "For the first time since the last
> days of the monarchy," historian Joachim Fest has conceded, "the
> majority of the Germans now had the feeling that they could identify
> with the state."...
> "You talk about persecution!" he thundered in an impromptu response
> to
> an address by the Social Democratic speaker. "I think that there are
> only a few of us [in our party] here who did not have to suffer
> persecutions in prison from your side ... You seem to have totally
> forgotten that for years our shirts were ripped off our backs because
> you did not like the color . . . We have outgrown your persecutions!"
> "In those days," he scathingly continued, "our newspapers were banned
> and banned and again banned, our meetings were forbidden, and we were
> forbidden to speak, I was forbidden to speak, for years on. And now
> you say that criticism is salutary!"...
> Hitler's millions of followers had rediscovered the primal strength
> of
> rough, uncitified man, of a time when men still had backbone...
> Gustav Noske, the lumberjack who became defense minister - and the
> most valiant defender of the embattled republic in the tumultuous
> months immediately following the collapse of 1918 - acknowledged
> honestly in 1944, when the Third Reich was already rapidly breaking
> down, that the great majority of the German people still remained
> true
> to Hitler because of the social renewal he had brought to the working
> class...
> Here again, well before the collapse of party-ridden Weimar Republic,
> disillusion with the unions had become widespread among the working
> masses. They were starving. The hundreds of Socialist and Communist
> deputies stood idly by, impotent to provide any meaningful help to
> the
> desperate proletariat.
> Their leaders had no proposals to remedy, even partially, the great
> distress of the people; no plans for large-scale public works, no
> industrial restructuring, no search for markets abroad.
> Moreover, they offered no energetic resistance to the pillaging by
> foreign countries of the Reich's last financial resources: this a
> consequence of the Treaty of Versailles that the German Socialists
> had
> voted to ratify in June of 1919, and which they had never since had
> the courage effectively to oppose...
> In 1930, 1931 and 1932, German workers had watched the disaster grow:
> the number of unemployed rose from two million to three, to four, to
> five, then to six million. At the same time, unemployment benefits
> fell lower and lower, finally to disappear completely. Everywhere one
> saw dejection and privation: emaciated mothers, children wasting away
> in sordid lodgings, and thousands of beggars in long sad lines.
> The failure, or incapacity, of the leftist leaders to act, not to
> mention their insensitivity, had stupefied the working class. Of what
> use were such leaders with their empty heads and empty hearts -- and,
> often enough, full pockets?
> Well before January 30, thousands of workers had already joined up
> with Hitler's dynamic formations, which were always hard at it where
> they were most needed. Many joined the National Socialists when they
> went on strike. Hitler, himself a former worker and a plain man like
> themselves, was determined to eliminate unemployment root and branch.
> He wanted not merely to defend the laborer's right to work, but to
> make his calling one of honor, to insure him respect and to integrate
> him fully into a living community of all the Germans, who had been
> divided class against class.
> In January 1933, Hitler's victorious troops were already largely
> proletarian in character, including numerous hardfisted street
> brawlers, many unemployed, who no longer counted economically or
> socially.
> Meanwhile, membership in the Marxist labor unions had fallen off
> enormously: among thirteen million socialist and Communist voters in
> 1932, no more than five million were union members. Indifference and
> discouragement had reached such levels that many members no longer
> paid their union dues. Many increasingly dispirited Marxist leaders
> began to wonder if perhaps the millions of deserters were the ones
> who
> saw things clearly. Soon they wouldn't wonder any longer.
> Even before Hitler won Reichstag backing for his "Enabling Act,"
> Germany's giant labor union federation, the ADGB, had begun to rally
> to the National Socialist cause. As historian Joachim Fest
> acknowledged: "On March 20, the labor federation's executive
> committee
> addressed a kind of declaration of loyalty to Hitler." (J. Fest,
> Hitler, p. 413.)
> Hitler than took a bold and clever step. The unions had always
> clamored to have the First of May recognized as a worker's holiday,
> but the Weimar Republic had never acceded to their request. Hitler,
> never missing an opportunity, grasped this one with both hands. He
> did
> more than grant this reasonable demand: he proclaimed the First of
> May
> a national holiday...
> I myself attended the memorable meeting at the Tempelhof field in
> 1933. By nine o'clock that morning, giant columns, some of workers,
> others of youth groups, marching in cadence down the pavement of
> Berlin's great avenues, had started off towards the airfield to which
> Hitler had called together all Germans. All Germany would follow the
> rally as it was transmitted nationwide by radio...
> In the dark, a group of determined opponents could easily have
> heckled
> Hitler or otherwise sabotaged the meeting. Perhaps a third of the
> onlookers had been Socialists or Communists only three months
> previously. But not a single hostile voice was raised during the
> entire ceremony. There was only universal acclamation.
> Ceremony is the right word for it. It was an almost magical rite.
> Hitler and Goebbels had no equals in the arranging of dedicatory
> ceremonies of this sort. First there were popular songs, then great
> Wagnerian hymns to grip the audience. Germany has a passion for
> orchestral music, and Wagner taps the deepest and most secret vein of
> the German soul, its romanticism, its inborn sense of the powerful
> and
> the grand.
> Meanwhile the hundreds of flags floated above the rostrum, redeemed
> from the darkness by arrows of light.
> Now Hitler strode to the rostrum. For those standing at the of the
> field, his face must have appeared vanishingly small, but his words
> flooded instantaneously across the acres of people in his audience.
> A Latin audience would have preferred a voice less harsh, more
> delicately expressive. But there was no doubt that Hitler spoke to
> the
> psyche of the German people.
> Germans have rarely had the good fortune to experience the
> enchantment
> of the spoken word. In Germany, the tone has always been set by
> ponderous speakers, more fond of elephantine pedantry than oratorical
> passion. Hitler, as a speaker, was a prodigy, the greatest orator of
> his century. He possessed, above all, what the ordinary speaker
> lacks:
> a mysterious ability to project power.
> A bit like a medium or sorcerer, he was seized, even transfixed, as
> he
> addressed a crowd. It responded to Hitler's projection of power,
> radiating it back, establishing, in the course of myriad exchanges, a
> current that both orator and audience gave to and drew from equally.
> One had to personally experience him speaking to understand this
> phenomenon.
> This special gift is what lay at the basis of Hitler's ability to win
> over the masses. His high-voltage, lightning-like projection
> transported and transformed all who experienced it. Tens of millions
> were enlightened, riveted and inflamed by the fire of his anger,
> irony, and passion.
> By the time the cheering died away that May first evening, hundreds
> of
> thousands of previously indifferent or even hostile workers who had
> come to Tempelhof at the urging of their labor federation leaders
> were
> now won over. They had become followers, like the SA stormtroopers
> whom so many there that evening had brawled with in recent years.
> The great human sea surged back from Tempelhof to Berlin. A million
> and a half people had arrived in perfect order, and their departure
> was just as orderly. No bottlenecks halted the cars and busses. For
> those of us who witnessed it, this rigorous, yet joyful, discipline
> of
> a contented people was in itself a source of wonder. Everything about
> the May Day mass meeting had come off as smoothly clockwork.
> The memory of that fabulous crowd thronging back to the center of
> Berlin will never leave me. A great many were on foot. Their faces
> were now different faces, as though they had been imbued with a
> strange and totally new spirit. The non-Germans in the crowd were as
> if stunned, and no less impressed than Hitler's fellow countrymen.
> The French ambassador, André François-Poncet, noted:
> The foreigners on the speaker's platform as guests of honor were not
> alone in carrying away the impression of a truly beautiful and
> wonderful public festival, an impression that was created by the
> regime's genius for organization, by the night time display of
> uniforms, by the play of lights, the rhythm of the music, by the
> flags
> and the colorful fireworks; and they were not alone in thinking that
> a
> breath of reconciliation and unity was passing over the Third Reich.
> "It is our wish," Hitler had exclaimed, as though taking heaven as
> his
> witness, "to get along together and to struggle together as brothers,
> so that at the hour when we shall come before God, we might say to
> him: 'See, Lord, we have changed. The German people are no longer a
> people ashamed, a people mean and cowardly and divided. No, Lord! The
> German people have become strong in their spirit, in their will, in
> their perseverance, in their acceptance of any sacrifice. Lord, we
> remain faithful to Thee! Bless our struggle!" (A. François-Poncet,
> Souvenirs d'une ambassade à Berlin, p. 128.)
> Who else could have made such an incantatory appeal without making
> himself look ridiculous?
> No politician had ever spoken of the rights of workers with such
> faith
> and such force, or had laid out in such clear terms the social plan
> he
> pledged to carry out on behalf of the common people.
> The next day, the newspaper of the proletarian left, the "Union
> Journal," reported on this mass meeting at which at least two thirds
> -- a million -- of those attending were workers. "This May First was
> victory day," the paper summed up.
> With the workers thus won over, what further need was there for the
> thousands of labor union locals that for so long had poisoned the
> social life of the Reich and which, in any case, had accomplished
> nothing of a lasting, positive nature?
> Within hours of the conclusion of that "victory" meeting at the
> Tempelhof field, the National Socialists were able to peacefully take
> complete control of Germany's entire labor union organization,
> including all its buildings, enterprises and banks. An era of Marxist
> obstruction abruptly came to an end : from now on, a single national
> organization would embody the collective will and interests of all of
> Germany's workers.
> Although he was now well on his way to creating what he pledged would
> be a true "government of the people," Hitler also realized that great
> obstacles remained. For one thing, the Communist rulers in Moscow had
> not dropped their guard -- or their guns. Restoring the nation would
> take more than words and promises, it would take solid achievements.
> Only then would the enthusiasm shown by the working class at the May
> First mass meeting be an expression of lasting victory.
> How could Hitler solve the great problem that had defied solution by
> everyone else (both in Germany and abroad): putting millions of
> unemployed back to work?
> What would Hitler do about wages? Working hours? Leisure time?
> Housing? How would he succeed in winning, at long last, respect for
> the rights and dignity of the worker?
> How could men's lives be improved -- materially, morally, and, one
> might even say, spiritually? How would he proceed to build a new
> society fit for human beings, free of the inertia, injustices and
> prejudices of the past?
> "National Socialism," Hitler had declared at the outset, "has its
> mission and its hour; it is not just a passing movement but a phase
> of
> history."
> The instruments of real power now in his hands -- an authoritarian
> state, its provinces subordinate but nonetheless organic parts of the
> national whole -- Hitler had acted quickly to shake himself free of
> the last constraints of the impotent sectarian political parties.
> Moreover, he was now able to direct a cohesive labor force that was
> no
> longer split into a thousand rivulets but flowed as a single, mighty
> current.
> Hitler was self-confident, sure of the power of his own conviction.
> He
> had no intention, or need, to resort to the use of physical force.
> Instead, he intended to win over, one by one, the millions of Germans
> who were still his adversaries, and even those who still hated him.
> His conquest of Germany had taken years of careful planning and hard
> work. Similarly, he would now realize his carefully worked out plans
> for transforming the state and society. This meant not merely changes
> in administrative or governmental structures, but far-reaching social
> programs.
> He had once vowed: "The hour will come when the 15 million people who
> now hate us will be solidly behind us and will acclaim with us the
> new
> revival we shall create together." Eventually he would succeed in
> winning over even many of his most refractory skeptics and
> adversaries.
> His army of converts was already forming ranks. In a remarkable
> tribute, historian Joachim Fest felt obliged to acknowledge
> unequivocally:
> Hitler had moved rapidly from the status of a demagogue to that of a
> respected statesman. The craving to join the ranks of the victors was
> spreading like an epidemic, and the shrunken minority of those who
> resisted the urge were being visibly pushed into isolation -- The
> past
> was dead. The future, it seemed, belonged to the regime, which had
> more and more followers, which was being hailed everywhere and
> suddenly had sound reasons on its side.
> And even the prominent leftist writer Kurt Tucholsky, sensing the
> direction of the inexorable tide that was sweeping Germany, vividly
> commented: "You don't go railing against the ocean." (J. Fest,
> Hitler,
> pp. 415 f.)
> "Our power," Hitler was now able to declare, "no longer belongs to
> any
> territorial fraction of the Reich, nor to any single class of the
> nation, but to the people in its totality."
> Much still remained to be done, however. So far, Hitler had succeeded
> in clearing the way of obstacles to his program. Now the time to
> build
> had arrived.
> So many others had failed to tackle the many daunting problems that
> were now his responsibility. Above all, the nation demanded a
> solution
> to the great problem of unemployment. Could Hitler now succeed where
> others had so dismally failed?...
> Unemployment could be combated and eliminated only by giving industry
> the financial means to start up anew, to modernize, thus creating
> millions of new jobs.
> The normal rate of consumption would not be restored, let alone
> increased, unless one first raised the starvation-level allowances
> that were making purchases of any kind a virtual impossibility. On
> the
> contrary, production and sales would have to be restored before the
> six million unemployed could once again become purchasers.
> The great economic depression could be overcome only by restimulating
> industry, by bringing industry into step with the times, and by
> promoting the development of new products...
> Nearly ten years earlier, while in his prison cell, Hitler had
> already
> envisioned a formidable system of national highways. He had also
> conceived of a small, easily affordable automobile (later known as
> the
> "Volkswagen"), and had even suggested its outline. It should have the
> shape of a June bug, he proposed. Nature itself suggested the car's
> aerodynamic line.
> Until Hitler came to power, a car was the privilege of the rich. It
> was not financially within the reach of the middle class, much less
> of
> the worker. The "Volkswagen," costing one-tenth as much as the
> standard automobile of earlier years, would eventually become a
> popular work vehicle and a source of pleasure after work: a way to
> unwind and get some fresh air, and of discovering, thanks to the new
> Autobahn highway network, a magnificent country that then, in its
> totality, was virtually unknown to the German worker.
>>From the beginning, Hitler wanted this economical new car to be built
> for the millions. The production works would also become one of
> Germany's most important industrial centers and employers.
> During his imprisonment, Hitler had also drawn up plans for the
> construction of popular housing developments and majestic public
> buildings.
> Some of Hitler's rough sketches still survive. They include groups of
> individual worker's houses with their own gardens (which were to be
> built in the hundreds of thousands), a plan for a covered stadium in
> Berlin, and a vast congress hall, unlike any other in the world, that
> would symbolize the grandeur of the National Socialist revolution.
> "A building with a monumental dome," historian Werner Maser has
> explained, "the plan of which he drew while he was writing Mein
> Kampf,
> would have a span of 46 meters, a height of 220 meters, a diameter of
> 250 meters, and a capacity of 150 to 190 thousand people standing.
> The
> interior of the building would have been 17 times larger than Saint
> Peter's Cathedral in Rome." (W. Maser, Hitler, Adolf, p. 100.)
> "That hall," architect Albert Speer has pointed out, "was not just an
> idle dream impossible of achievement."
> Hitler's imagination, therefore, had long been teeming with a number
> of ambitious projects, many of which would eventually be realized.
> Fortunately, the needed entrepreneurs, managers and technicians were
> on hand. Hitler would not have to improvise.
> Historian Werner Maser, although quite anti-Hitler -- like nearly all
> of his colleagues (how else would they have found publishers?) - has
> acknowledged: "From the beginning of his political career, he
> [Hitler]
> took great pains systematically to arrange for whatever he was going
> to need in order to carry out his plans."
> "Hitler was distinguished," Maser has also noted, "by an exceptional
> intelligence in technical matters." Hitler had acquired his knowledge
> by devoting many thousands of hours to technical studies from the
> time
> of his youth.
> "Hitler read an endless number of books," explained Dr. Schacht. "He
> acquired a very considerable amount of knowledge and made masterful
> use of it in discussions and speeches. In certain respects he was a
> man endowed with genius. He had ideas that no one else would ever
> have
> thought of, ideas that resulted in the ending of great difficulties,
> sometimes by measures of an astonishing simplicity or brutality."
> Many billions of marks would be needed to begin the great
> socioeconomic revolution that was destined, as Hitler had always
> intended, to make Germany once again the European leader in industry
> and commerce and, most urgently, to rapidly wipe out unemployment in
> Germany. Where would the money be found? And, once obtained, how
> would
> these funds be allotted to ensure maximum effectiveness in their
> investment?
> Hitler was by no means a dictator in matters of the economy. He was,
> rather, a stimulator. His government would undertake to do only that
> which private initiative could not.
> Hitler believed in the importance of individual creative imagination
> and dynamism, in the need for every person of superior ability and
> skill to assume responsibility.
> He also recognized the importance of the profit motive. Deprived of
> the prospect of having his efforts rewarded, the person of ability
> often refrains from running risks. The economic failure of Communism
> has demonstrated this. In the absence of personal incentives and the
> opportunity for real individual initiative, the Soviet "command
> economy" lagged in all but a few fields, its industry years behind
> its
> competitors.
> State monopoly tolls the death of all initiative, and hence of all
> progress.
> For all men selflessly to pool their wealth might be marvelous, but
> it
> is also contrary to human nature. Nearly every man desires that his
> labor shall improve his own condition and that of his family, and
> feels that his brain, creative imagination, and persistence well
> deserve their reward.
> Because it disregarded these basic psychological truths, Soviet
> Communism, right to the end, wallowed in economic mediocrity, in
> spite
> of its immense reservoir of manpower, its technical expertise, and
> its
> abundant natural resources, all of which ought to have made it an
> industrial and technological giant.
> Hitler was always adverse to the idea of state management of the
> economy. He believed in elites. "A single idea of genius," he used to
> say, "has more value than a lifetime of conscientious labor in an
> office."
> Just as there are political or intellectual elites, so also is there
> an industrial elite. A manufacturer of great ability should not be
> restrained, hunted down by the internal revenue services like a
> criminal, or be unappreciated by the public. On the contrary, it is
> important for economic development that the industrialist be
> encouraged morally and materially, as much as possible.
> The most fruitful initiatives Hitler would take from 1933 on would be
> on behalf of private enterprise. He would keep an eye on the quality
> of their directors, to be sure, and would shunt aside incompetents,
> quite a few of them at times, but he also supported the best ones,
> those with the keenest minds, the most imaginative and bold, even if
> their political opinions did not always agree with his own.
> "There is no question," he stated very firmly, "of dismissing a
> factory owner or director under the pretext that he is not a National
> Socialist."
> Hitler would exercise the same moderation, the same pragmatism, in
> the
> administrative as well as in the industrial sphere.
> What he demanded of his co-workers, above all, was competence and
> effectiveness. The great majority of Third Reich functionaries - some
> 80 percent -- were never enrolled in the National Socialist party.
> Several of Hitler's ministers, like Konstantin von Neurath and
> Schwerin von Krosigk, and ambassadors to such key posts as Prague,
> Vienna and Ankara, were not members of the party. But they were
> capable...
> "Herr Schacht," he said, "we are assuredly in agreement on one point:
> no other single task facing the government at the moment can be so
> truly urgent as conquering unemployment. That will take a lot of
> money. Do you see any possibility of finding it apart from the
> Reichsbank?" And after a moment, he added: "How much would it take?
> Do
> you have any idea?"
> Wishing to win Schacht over by appealing to his ambition, Hitler
> smiled and then asked: "Would you be willing to once again assume
> presidency of the Reichsbank?" Schacht let on that he had a
> sentimental concern for Dr. Luther, and did not want to hurt the
> incumbent's feelings. Playing along, Hitler reassured Schacht that he
> would find an appropriate new job elsewhere for Luther.
> Schacht then pricked up his ears, drew himself up, and focused his
> big
> round eyes on Hitler: "Well, if that's the way it is," he said, "then
> I am ready to assume the presidency of the Reichsbank again."
> His great dream was being realized. Schacht had been president of the
> Reichsbank between 1923 and 1930, but had been dismissed. Now he
> would
> return in triumph. He felt vindicated. Within weeks, the ingenious
> solution to Germany's pressing financial woes would burst forth from
> his inventive brain.
> "It was necessary," Schacht later explained, "to discover a method
> that would avoid inflating the investment holdings of the Reichsbank
> immoderately and consequently increasing the circulation of money
> excessively."
> "Therefore," he went on, "I had to find some means of getting the
> sums
> that were lying idle in pockets and banks, without meaning for it to
> be long term and without having it undergo the risk of depreciation.
> That was the reasoning behind the Mefo bonds."
> What were these "Mefo" bonds? Mefo was a contraction of the
> Metallurgische Forschungs-GmbH (Metallurgic Research Company). With a
> startup capitalization of one billion marks - which Hitler and
> Schacht
> arranged to be provided by the four giant firms of Krupp, Siemens,
> Deutsche Werke and Rheinmetall -- this company would eventually
> promote many billions of marks worth of investment.
> Enterprises, old and new, that filled government orders had only to
> draw drafts on Mefo for the amounts due. These drafts, when presented
> to the Reichsbank, were immediately convertible into cash. The
> success
> of the Mefo program depended entirely on public acceptance of the
> Mefo
> bonds. But the wily Schacht had planned well. Since Mefo bonds were
> short-term bonds that could be cashed in at any time, there was no
> real risk in buying, accepting or holding them. They bore an interest
> of four percent -- a quite acceptable figure in those days -- whereas
> banknotes hidden under the mattress earned nothing. The public
> quickly
> took all this into consideration and eagerly accepted the bonds.
> While the Reichsbank was able to offer from its own treasury a
> relatively insignificant 150 million marks for Hitler's war on
> unemployment, in just four years the German public subscribed more
> than 12 billion marks worth of Mefo bonds!
> These billions, the fruit of the combined imagination, ingenuity and
> astuteness of Hitler and Schacht, swept away the temporizing and
> fearful conservatism of the bankers. Over the next four years, this
> enormous credit reserve would make miracles possible.
> Soon after the initial billion-mark credit, Schacht added another
> credit of 600 million in order to finance the start of Hitler's grand
> program for highway construction. This Autobahn program provided
> immediate work for 100,000 of the unemployed, and eventually assured
> wages for some 500,000 workers.
> As large as this outlay was, it was immediately offset by a
> corresponding cutback in government unemployment benefits, and by the
> additional tax revenue generated as a result of the increase in
> living
> standard (sping) of the newly employed.
> Within a few months, thanks to the credit created by the Mefo bonds,
> private industry once again dared to assume risks and expand. Germans
> returned to work by the hundreds of thousands.
> Was Schacht solely responsible for this extraordinary turnaround?
> After the war, he answered for himself as a Nuremberg Tribunal
> defendant, where he was charged with having made possible the Reich's
> economic revival:
> I don't think Hitler was reduced to begging for my help. If I had not
> served him, he would have found other methods, other means. He was
> not
> a man to give up. It's easy enough for you to say, Mr. Prosecutor,
> that I should have watched Hitler die and not lifted a finger. But
> the
> entire working class would have died with him!
> Even Marxists recognized Hitler's success, and their own failure. In
> the June 1934 issue of the Zeitschrift für Sozialismus, the journal
> of
> the German Social Democrats in exile, this acknowledgement appears:
> Faced with the despair of proletarians reduced to joblessness, of
> young people with diplomas and no future, of the middle classes of
> merchants and artisans condemned to bankruptcy, and of farmers
> terribly threatened by the collapse in agricultural prices, we all
> failed. We weren't capable of offering the masses anything but
> speeches about the glory of socialism.
> VI. The Social Revolution
> Hitler's tremendous social achievement in putting Germany's six
> million unemployed back to work is seldom acknowledged today.
> Although
> it was much more than a transitory achievement, "democratic"
> historians routinely dismiss it in just a few lines. Since 1945, not
> a
> single objective scholarly study has been devoted to this highly
> significant, indeed unprecedented, historical phenomenon.
> Similarly neglected is the body of sweeping reforms that dramatically
> changed the condition of the worker in Germany. Factories were
> transformed from gloomy caverns to spacious and healthy work centers,
> with natural lighting, surrounded by gardens and playing fields.
> Hundreds of thousands of attractive houses were built for working
> class families. A policy of several weeks of paid vacation was
> introduced, along with week and holiday trips by land and sea. A
> wide-ranging program of physical and cultural education for young
> workers was established, with the world's best system of technical
> training. The Third Reich's social security and workers' health
> insurance system was the world's most modern and complete.
> This remarkable record of social achievement is routinely hushed up
> today because it is embarrasses those who uphold the orthodox view of
> the Third Reich. Otherwise, readers might begin to think that perhaps
> Hitler was the greatest social builder of the twentieth century...
> Nevertheless, restoring work and bread to millions of unemployed who
> had been living in misery for years; restructuring industrial life;
> conceiving and establishing an organization for the effective defense
> and betterment of the nation's millions of wage earners; creating a
> new bureaucracy and judicial system that guaranteed the civic rights
> of each member of the national community, while simultaneously
> holding
> each person to his or her responsibilities as a German citizen: this
> organic body of reforms was part of a single, comprehensive plan,
> which Hitler had conceived and worked out years earlier.
> Without this plan, the nation would have collapsed into anarchy.
> All-encompassing, this program included broad industrial recovery as
> well as detailed attention to even construction of comfortable inns
> along the new highway network.
> It took several years for a stable social structure to emerge from
> the
> French Revolution. The Soviets needed even more time: five years
> after
> the Bolshevik revolution of 1917, hundreds of thousands of Russians
> were still dying of hunger and disease. In Germany, by contrast, the
> great machinery was in motion within months, with organization and
> accomplishment quickly meshing together...
> Hitler personally dug the first spadeful of earth for the first
> Autobahn highway, linking Frankfurt-am-Main with Darmstadt. For the
> occasion, he brought along Dr. Schacht, the man whose visionary
> credit
> wizardry had made the project possible. The official procession moved
> ahead, three cars abreast in front, then six across, spanning the
> entire width of the autobahn...
> Hitler's plan to build thousands of low-cost homes also demanded a
> vast mobilization of manpower. He had envisioned housing that would
> be
> attractive, cozy, and affordable for millions of ordinary German
> working-class families. He had no intention of continuing to
> tolerate,
> as his predecessors had, cramped, ugly "rabbit warren" housing for
> the
> German people. The great barracks-like housing projects on the
> outskirts of factory towns, packed with cramped families, disgusted
> him.
> The greater part of the houses he would build were single story,
> detached dwellings, with small yards where children could romp, wives
> could grow vegetable and flower gardens, while the bread-winners
> could
> read their newspapers in peace after the day's work. These
> single-family homes were built to conform to the architectural styles
> of the various German regions, retaining as much as possible the
> charming local variants.
> Wherever there was no practical alternative to building large
> apartment complexes, Hitler saw to it that the individual apartments
> were spacious, airy and enhanced by surrounding lawns and gardens
> where the children could play safely.
> The new housing was, of course, built in conformity with the highest
> standards of public health, a consideration notoriously neglected in
> previous working-class projects.
> Generous loans, amortizable in ten years, were granted to newly
> married couples so they could buy their own homes. At the birth of
> each child, a fourth of the debt was cancelled. Four children, at the
> normal rate of a new arrival every two and a half years, sufficed to
> cancel the entire loan debt.
> Once, during a conversation with Hitler, I expressed my astonishment
> at this policy. "But then, you never get back the total amount of
> your
> loans?," I asked. "How so?" he replied, smiling. "Over a period of
> ten
> years, a family with four children brings in much more than our
> loans,
> through the taxes levied on a hundred different items of
> consumption."
> As it happened, tax revenues increased every year, in proportion to
> the rise in expenditures for Hitler's social programs. In just a few
> years, revenue from taxes tripled. Hitler's Germany never experienced
> a financial crisis.
> To stimulate the moribund economy demanded the nerve, which Hitler
> had, to invest money that the government didn't yet have, rather than
> passively waiting -- in accordance with "sound" financial principles
> -- for the economy to revive by itself.
> Today, our whole era is dying economically because we have succumbed
> to fearful hesitation. Enrichment follows investment, not the other
> way around...
> Even before the year 1933 had ended, Hitler had succeeded in building
> 202,119 housing units. Within four years he would provide the German
> people with nearly a million and a half (1,458,128) new dwellings!
> Moreover, workers would no longer be exploited as they had been. A
> month's rent for a worker could not exceed 26 marks, or about an
> eighth of the average wage then. Employees with more substantial
> salaries paid monthly rents of up to 45 marks maximum.
> Equally effective social measures were taken in behalf of farmers,
> who
> had the lowest incomes. In 1933 alone 17,611 new farm houses were
> built, each of them surrounded by a parcel of land one thousand
> square
> meters in size. Within three years, Hitler would build 91,000 such
> farmhouses...
> Everywhere industry was hiring again, with some firms -- like Krupp,
> IG Farben and the large automobile manufacturers -- taking on new
> workers on a very large scale. As the country became more prosperous,
> car sales increased by more than 80,000 units in 1933 alone.
> Employment in the auto industry doubled. Germany was gearing up for
> full production, with private industry leading the way.
> The new government lavished every assistance on the private sector,
> the chief factor in employment as well as production. Hitler almost
> immediately made available 500 million marks in credits to private
> business.
> This start-up assistance given to German industry would repay itself
> many times over. Soon enough, another two billion marks would be
> loaned to the most enterprising companies. Nearly half would go into
> new wages and salaries, saving the treasury an estimated three
> hundred
> million marks in unemployment benefits. Added to the hundreds of
> millions in tax receipts spurred by the business recovery, the state
> quickly recovered its investment, and more.
> Hitler's entire economic policy would be based on the following
> equation: risk large sums to undertake great public works and to spur
> the renewal and modernization of industry, then later recover the
> billions invested through invisible and painless tax revenues. It
> didn't take long for Germany to see the results of Hitler's recovery
> formula.
> Economic recovery, as important as it was, nevertheless wasn't
> Hitler's only objective. As he strived to restore full employment,
> Hitler never lost sight of his goal of creating a organization
> powerful enough to stand up to capitalist owners and managers, who
> had
> shown little concern for the health and welfare of the entire
> national
> community.
> Hitler would impose on everyone -- powerful boss and lowly wage
> earner
> alike -- his own concept of the organic social community. Only the
> loyal collaboration of everyone could assure the prosperity of all
> classes and social groups.
> Consistent with their doctrine, Germany's Marxist leaders had set
> class against class, helping to bring the country to the brink of
> economic collapse. Deserting their Marxist unions and political
> parties in droves, most workers had come to realize that strikes and
> grievances their leaders incited only crippled production, and thus
> the workers as well.
> By the of 1932, in any case, the discredited labor unions were
> drowning in massive debt that realistically could never be repaid.
> Some of the less scrupulous union officials, sensing the oncoming
> catastrophe, had begun stealing hundreds of thousands of marks from
> the workers they represented. The Marxist leaders had failed:
> socially, financially and morally.
> Every joint human activity requires a leader. The head of a factory
> or
> business is also the person naturally responsible for it. He oversees
> every aspect of production and work. In Hitler's Germany, the head of
> a business had to be both a capable director and a person concerned
> for the social justice and welfare of his employees. Under Hitler,
> many owners and managers who had proven to be unjust, incompetent or
> recalcitrant lost their jobs, or their businesses.
> A considerable number of legal guarantees protected the worker
> against
> any abuse of authority at the workplace. Their purpose was to insure
> that the rights of workers were respected, and that workers were
> treated as worthy collaborators, not just as animated tools. Each
> industrialist was legally obliged to collaborate with worker
> delegates
> in drafting shop regulations that were not imposed from above but
> instead adapted to each business enterprise and its particular
> working
> conditions. These regulations had to specify "the length of the
> working day, the time and method of paying wages, and the safety
> rules, and to be posted throughout the factory," within easy access
> of
> both the worker whose interests might be angered and the owner or
> manager whose orders might be subverted.
> The thousands of different, individual versions of such regulations
> served to create a healthy rivalry, with every factory group vying to
> outdo the others in efficiency and justice.
> One of the first reforms to benefit German workers was the
> establishment of paid vacations. In France, the leftist Popular Front
> government would noisily claim, in 1936, to have originated legally
> mandated paid vacations -- and stingy ones at that, only one week per
> year. But it was actually Hitler who first established them, in 1933
> -- and they were two or three times more generous.
> Under Hitler, every factory employee had the legal right to paid
> vacation. Previously, paid vacations had not normally exceed four or
> five days, and nearly half of the younger workers had no vacation
> time
> at all. If anything, Hitler favored younger workers; the youngest
> workers received more generous vacations. This was humane and made
> sense: a young person has more need of rest and fresh air to develop
> his maturing strength and vigor. Thus, they enjoyed a full 18 days of
> paid vacation per year.
> Today, more than half a century later, these figures have been
> surpassed, but in 1933 they far exceeded European norms.
> The standard vacation was twelve days. Then, from the age of 25 on,
> it
> went up to 18 days. After ten years with the company, workers got a
> still longer vacation: 21 days, or three times what the French
> socialists would grant the workers of their country in 1936.
> Hitler introduced the standard forty-hour work week in Europe. As for
> overtime work, it was now compensated, as nowhere else in the
> continent at the time, at an increased pay rate. And with the
> eight-hour work day now the norm, overtime work became more readily
> available.
> In another innovation, work breaks were made longer: two hours each
> day, allowing greater opportunity for workers to relax, and to make
> use of the playing fields that large industries were now required to
> provide.
> Whereas a worker's right to job security had been virtually
> non-existent, now an employee could no longer be dismissed at the
> sole
> discretion of the employer. Hitler saw to it that workers' rights
> were
> spelled out and enforced. Henceforth, an employer had to give four
> weeks notice before firing an employee, who then had up to two months
> to appeal the dismissal. Dismissals could also be annulled by the
> "Courts of Social Honor" (Ehrengerichte).
> This Court was one of three great institutions that were established
> to protect German workers. The others were the "Labor Commissions"
> and
> the "Council of Trust."
> The "Council of Trust" (Vertrauensrat) was responsible for
> establishing and developing a real spirit of community between
> management and labor. "In every business enterprise," the 1934 "Labor
> Charter" law stipulated, "the employer and head of the enterprise
> (Führer), the employees and workers, personnel of the enterprise,
> shall work jointly toward the goal of the enterprise and the common
> good of the nation."
> No longer would either be exploited by the other -- neither the
> worker
> by arbitrary whim of the employer, nor the employer through the
> blackmail of strikes for political ends.
> Article 35 of the "Labor Charter" law stated: "Every member of an
> enterprise community shall assume the responsibility required by his
> position in said common enterprise." In short, each enterprise would
> be headed by a dynamic executive, charged with a sense of the greater
> community -- no longer a selfish capitalist with unconditional,
> arbitrary power.
> "The interest of the community may require that an incapable or
> unworthy employer be relieved of his duties," the "Labor Charter"
> stipulated. The employer was no longer unassailable, an all-powerful
> boss with the last word on hiring and firing his staff. He, too,
> would
> be subject to the workplace regulations, which he was now obliged to
> respect no less than the least of his employees. The law conferred
> the
> honor and responsibility of authority on the employer only insofar as
> he merited it...
> In the Third Reich, the worker knew that "exploitation of his
> physical
> strength in bad faith or in violation of his honor" was no longer
> tolerated. He had obligations to the community, but he shared these
> obligations with every other member of the enterprise, from the chief
> executive to the messenger boy. Finally, the German worker had
> clearly
> defined social rights, which were arbitrated and enforced by
> independent agencies. And while all this had been achieved in an
> atmosphere of justice and moderation, it nevertheless constituted a
> genuine social revolution...
> Factories and shops, large and small, were altered or transformed to
> conform to the strictest standards of cleanliness and hygiene:
> interiors, so often dark and stifling, were opened up to light;
> playing fields were constructed; rest areas where workers could
> unbend
> during break, were set aside; employee cafeterias and respectable
> locker rooms were opened. The larger industrial establishments, in
> addition to providing the normally required conventional sports
> facilities, were obliged to put in swimming pools!
> In just three years, these achievements would reach unimagined
> heights: more than two thousand factories refitted and beautified;
> 23,000 work premises modernized; 800 buildings designed exclusively
> for meetings; 1,200 playing fields; 13,000 sanitary facilities;
> 17,000
> cafeterias.
> To assure the healthy development of the working class, physical
> education courses were instituted for younger workers. Some 8,000
> were
> eventually organized. Technical training was equally emphasized.
> Hundreds of work schools, and thousands of technical courses were
> created. There were examinations for professional competence, and
> competitions in which generous prizes were awarded to outstanding
> masters of their craft.
> Eight hundred departmental inspectors and 17,300 local inspectors
> were
> employed to conscientiously monitor and promote these improvements.
> To provide affordable vacations for German workers on a hitherto
> unprecedented scale, Hitler established the "Strength through Joy"
> program. As a result, hundreds of thousands of workers were now able
> to make relaxing vacation trips on land and sea each summer.
> Magnificent cruise ships were built, and special trains brought
> vacationers to the mountains and the seashore. In just a few years,
> Germany's working-class tourists would log a distance equivalent to
> 54
> times the circumference of the earth! And thanks to generous state
> subsidies, the cost to workers of these popular vacation excursions
> was nearly insignificant...
> Was Hitler's transformation of the lot of the working class
> authoritarian? Without a doubt. And yet, for a people that had grown
> sick and tired of anarchy, this new authoritarianism wasn't regarded
> as an imposition. In fact, people have always accepted a strong man's
> leadership.
> In any case, there is no doubt that the attitude of the German
> working
> class, which was still two-thirds non-Nazi at the start of 1933, soon
> changed completely. As Belgian author Marcel Laloire noted at the
> time:
> When you make your way through the cities of Germany and go into the
> working-class districts, go through the factories, the construction
> yards, you are astonished to find so many workers on the job sporting
> the Hitler insignia, to see so many flags with the swastika, black on
> a bright red background, in the most densely populated districts.
> Hitler's "German Labor Front" (Deutsche Arbeitsfront), which
> incorporated all workers and employers, was for the most part eagerly
> accepted. The steel spades of the sturdy young lads of the "National
> Labor Service" (Reichsarbeitsdienst) could also be seen gleaming
> along
> the highways.
> Hitler created the National Labor Service not only to alleviate
> unemployment, but to bring together, in absolute equality, and in the
> same uniform, both the sons of millionaires and the sons of the
> poorest families for several months' common labor and living.
> All performed the same work, all were subject to the same discipline;
> they enjoyed the same pleasures and benefited from the same physical
> and moral development. At the same construction sites and in the same
> barracks, Germans became conscious of what they had in common, grew
> to
> understand one another, and discarded their old prejudices of class
> and caste.
> After a hitch in the National Labor Service, a young worker knew that
> the rich man's son was not a pampered monster, while the young lad of
> wealthy family knew that the worker's son had no less honor than a
> nobleman or an heir to riches; they had lived and worked together as
> comrades. Social hatred was vanishing, and a socially united people
> was being born.
> Hitler could go into factories -- something few men of the so-called
> Right would have risked in the past -- and hold forth to crowds of
> workers, at times in the thousands, as at the huge Siemens works. "In
> contrast to the von Papens and other country gentlemen," he might
> tell
> them, "in my youth I was a worker like you. And in my heart of
> hearts,
> I have remained what I was then."
> During his twelve years in power, no untoward incident ever occurred
> at any factory he visited. Hitler was at home when he went among the
> people, and he was received like a member of the family returning
> home
> after making a success of himself.
> But the Chancellor of the Third Reich wanted more than popular
> approval. He wanted that approval to be freely, widely, and
> repeatedly
> expressed by popular vote. No people was ever be more frequently
> asked
> for their electoral opinion than the German people of that era --
> five
> times in five years.
> For Hitler, it was not enough that the people voted from time to
> time,
> as in the previous democratic system. In those days, voters were
> rarely appealed to, and when they expressed an opinion, they were
> often ill-informed and apathetic. After an election, years might go
> by, during which the politicians were heedless and inaccessible, the
> electorate powerless to vote on their actions.
> To enable the German public to express its opinion on the occasion of
> important events of social, national, or international significance,
> Hitler provided the people a new means of approving or rejecting his
> own actions as Chancellor: the plebiscite.
> Hitler recognized the right of all the people, men and women alike,
> to
> vote by secret ballot: to voice their opinion of his policies, or to
> make a well-grounded judgment on this or that great decision in
> domestic or foreign affairs. Rather than a formalistic routine,
> democracy became a vital, active program of supervision that was
> renewed annually.
> The articles of the "Plebiscite Law" were brief and clear:
> 1.      The Reich government may ask the people whether or not it
> approves of a measure planned by or taken by the government. This may
> also apply to a law.
> 2.      A measure submitted to plebiscite will be considered as
> established when it receives a simple majority of the votes. This
> will
> apply as well to a law modifying the Constitution.
> 3.      If the people approves the measure in question, it will be
> applied in conformity with article III of the Law for Overcoming the
> Distress of the People and the Reich.
> The Reich Interior Ministry is authorized to take all legal and
> administrative measures necessary to carry out this law.
> Berlin, July 14, 1933.
> Hitler, Frick...
>>From the first months of 1933, his accomplishments were public fact,
> for all to see. Before end of the year, unemployment in Germany had
> fallen from more than 6,000,000 to 3,374,000. Thus, 2,627,000 jobs
> had
> been created since the previous February, when Hitler began his
> "gigantic task!" A simple question: Who in Europe ever achieved
> similar results in so short a time?...
> In his detailed and critical biography of Hitler, Joachim Fest
> limited
> his treatment of Hitler's extraordinary social achievements in 1933
> to
> a few paragraphs. All the same, Fest did not refrain from
> acknowledging:
> The regime insisted that it was not the rule of one social class
> above
> all others, and by granting everyone opportunities to rise, it in
> fact
> demonstrated class neutrality -- These measures did indeed break
> through the old, petrified social structures. They tangibly improved
> the material condition of much of the population. (J. Fest, Hitler,
> pp. 434-435.)
> Not without reason were the swastika banners waving proudly
> throughout
> the working-class districts where, just a year ago, they had been
> unceremoniously torn down.
>
>
>>Hitler could talk about "ein volk, ein reich, ein Fuhrer" all day and
>>in the end it was "Siege Heil and Heil Hitler"... then back to the
>>factories for war production
>
>
>
> Hitler  said on 19 July 1940: "My intention was never to wage war,
> but
> to build a new social state with the highest level of culture. Each
> year of war keeps me from this work."
>
> The Jews control your media.
>
>         There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> Hollywood.
>
>      Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment".
> It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are
> from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So
> What?":
>
>       "It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish
> power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most
> influential production executives at each of the major movie studios
> will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."
>
>        "the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt
> Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic
> attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most
> powerful positions."
>
>       The head of Walt Disney studios is now the Jew Michael Eisner.
> On studios that were bought out by the Japanese the magazine says:
>
> "When Mitsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to
> undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and
> all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and
> Tom Pollack."
>
>        Here are some quotes from the paper "Jews Control the Media
> and Rule America"
> It may be rather out of date but it still explains why things are the
> way they are.
>
>       "American Broadcasting Companies (ABC), Columbia Broadcasting
> System (CBS), and National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Each of these
> three has been under the absolute control of a single man over a long
> enough period of time--ranging from 32 to 55 years--for him to staff
> the corporation at every level with officers of his choosing and then
> to place his imprint indelibly upon it. In each case that man has
> been
> a Jew.
>       "Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities
> Communications, Inc...the chairman of the board of directors and
> chief
> executive officer (CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a
> Jew...In an interview in the April 1, 1985 issue of Newsweek,
> Goldenson boasted 'I built this company (ABC) from scratch.'"
>
>       "CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more
> than
> half a century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia..."
>
>      "There has been no move by top G-E management to change the
> Jewish "profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personnel. To the
> contrary, new Jewish executives have been added: an example is Steve
> Friedman..."
>
>     "The man in charge of  the television entertainment division at
> CBS is Jeff Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run by two
> men....nearly all of the men who shape young Amercians' concept of
> reality, of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior
> are Jews. In particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg are Jews. So is
> Tartikoff. Littlefield is the only Gentile who has had a significant
> role in TV entertainment programming in recent years."
>
>      "American Film magazine listed the top 10...entertainment
> companies and their CEOs...Time Warner Communications (Steven J Ross,
> Jew) Walt Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner, Jew)...Of the 10 top
> entertainment CEOs listed above, eight are Jews."
>
>      "The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than a
> lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers; it also
> illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all organs of
> opinion... The Newhouse's own 31 daily newspapers, including several
> large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the
> Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's
> largest trade  book publishing conglomerate,  Random House, with all
> its subsidiaries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television
> broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the
> countries largest cable networks- the Sunday supplement Parade, with
> a
> circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen
> major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle,
> Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self,
> Home&Garden...."
>
>     "Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile
> ownership
> and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish
> advertising..."
>
>      "the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the
> Washington
> Post. These three...are the newspapers which set trends and
> guidelines
> for nearly all others. They are the ones which decide what is news
> and
> what isn't, at national and international levels. They originate the
> news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in
> Jewish hands...The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York
> Times Co. 36 other newspapers; twelve magazines, including McCall's
> and Family Circle..."
>
>     "New York's other newspapers are in no better hands than the
> Daily News. The New York Post is owned by billionaire Jewish
> real-estate developer Peter Kalikow. The Village Voice is the
> personal
> property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of..."
>
>     "There are only three newsmagazines of any note published in the
> United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report....The
> CEO
> of Time Warner Communications is Steven J. Ross, and he is a Jew.
>       "Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington
> Post Co., under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham..."
>      "U.S. News & World Report... owned and published by Jewish real
> estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman..."
>
>      " The three largest book publishers...Random House... Simon &
> Schuster , and Time Inc. Book Co....All three are owned or controlled
> by Jews...The CEO of Simon & Schuster if Richard Snyder, and the
> president is Jeremy Kaplan; both are Jews too."
>
> "Western Publishing...ranks first among publishers of children's
> books, with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO
> is Richard Bernstein, a Jew."
>
>     "Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted
> Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce..."
>
>     "We are doing more than  merely giving them a decisive influence
> on our political system and virtual control of our government; we
> also
> are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children..."
>
> http://www.ihr.org/      http://www.natvan.com
>
> http://www.thebirdman.org     http://www.nsm88.com/
>
> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
>
> 




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> is any body guide to me, i m muslim want to be a jewish
You have come to the right place, susie will show you how you must be bathed 
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote in message 
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>>> > If you don't like it then don't be a superpower.
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2:33 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> Great post, but how could someone like the U.S. not be a superpower?
>>
>> The simple answer is to be a superpower only in the more
>> stable part of the world by "back to Monroe Doctrine".
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
>>
>> The US will be the regional power for the Americas, and
>> let the rest of the world deal with the rest of the world.
>> And if oil supply will be short then either develop an
>> alternative energy source or stop buying SUVs.
>>
>> It is a tempting ideas, and sooner or later the US
>> will adopt it.  The likely result of such power vacuum
>> will be similar to the 1930's, when the US did little
>> while Hitler built his blitz army, Japan crashed
>> China, and Italy barely beat Ethiopia.
>>
>> In the world today the likely results will be
>> for Russia to rebuilt the Soviet Empire and for
>> Taliban like movements to take over most of the
>> countries with a Muslim majority or even a large
>> Muslim minority.  China will probably take Taiwan,
>> and if there will be no US response then Korea.
>> Japan will built a large navy and a nuclear force
>> as a defense from China.
>
> That would mean Israel would become a client of the Soviets, and that 
> would suck for them....
I am sure that Russians would allow the kikes to screw them once again
> 




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How about Adam Pearlman, do you think that he is worthy to be a Brotherhood 
member?
Well, he is a "A Qaeda" leader, and a Jew to boot!

"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Those who follow counterterrorism commentary over the last several months
> have noticed a number articles and media treatments dealing with the 
> Muslim
> Brotherhood. Much of this commentary assumed familiarity with the
> Brotherhood and the issues raised by its presence in Western countries.
> Consequently, those unfamiliar with issues might feel lost, like sports 
> fans
> who enter the stadium at halftime. My goal in this article is to give 
> primer
> on the Muslim Brotherhood and the recent debates surrounding it. I am 
> going
> to avoid the temptation to provide my own opinions on the merits of these
> debates. This decision does not imply that I have no opinions about the
> group and its worthiness for our embrace. Those opinions, however, will 
> have
> to await another day.
>
> The Muslim Brotherhood was created in Egypt in 1928, out a desire to bring
> about a more pure form of Islam and to gather enough popular support to
> force it on the Egyptian government. Today, the Brotherhood is considered
> the world's most influential Islamist organization, and there are
> Brotherhood franchises throughout the Middle East and in many Western
> countries, including the United States. Its age means that the Brotherhood
> has spanned across four generations. Although its founder, Hassan al 
> Banna,
> has been dead since 1949, some of his contemporaries are alive. Although a
> relatively young social movement, its 80-year existence means that the
> Muslim Brotherhood has had a long time to perfect is message and its mode 
> of
> communication. This message has attributes that jibe with liberal
> sensibilities; the Brotherhood preaches that Islam enjoins man to strive 
> for
> social justice, the eradication of poverty and corruption, and political
> freedom.
>
> The Muslim Brotherhood's charter describes its goal as the 
> re-establishment
> of the Islamic Caliphate - an empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia.
> Although it claims to be non-violent, its charter describes "dying in the
> way of Allah" as the group's highest hope. Its most infamous alumnus is
> undoubtedly Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the number two leader of Al Qaida. This 
> does
> not mean that the Brotherhood is synonymous with Usama Bin Laden, for
> Zawahiri views himself as a Al Qaida member. The Brotherhood and Al Qaida
> are both Sunni groups, although they are distinct, with Al Qaida 
> considered
> far more militant.
>
> Assessing the Muslim Brotherhood as a single entity is difficult, because
> its attributes vary from country to country. These differences are used by
> its supporters to argue that the Brotherhood is worthy of official
> recognition (even encouragement) by Western governments. Those who argue
> that the Brotherhood is monolithic tend to argue that its manifestations
> reflect the host country's attributes: the Brotherhood is more free to be
> open in Europe and the U.S. than in, say, Egypt and Syria, where it has 
> been
> fighting repression since the 1930s. Those subscribing to the "monolithic
> Brotherhood" view believe that the face it shows to the West arises from 
> the
> fact that it does not have to spend resources living underground, and can
> instead perfect the communication skills of its members and pass them off 
> as
> mainstream and moderate.
>
> The question of whether Western governments should embrace or eschew the
> Muslim Brotherhood is a hot topic right now in foreign policy circles, as 
> a
> result of several articles and at least one televised documentary. This
> issue is also informed by some geopolitical developments.
>
> The recent debates became heated when Robert Leiken and Steve Brooke
> published an article in the March-April issue of Foreign Affairs entitled,
> "The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood," in which they argue that the 
> Brotherhood
> has evolved into an entity that legitimately desires to participate in
> democratic politics, to the point where it represents an effective
> counterweight to violent Islamist groups like Al Qaeda, and one worthy of
> embrace by Western governments. This view apparently carried some 
> resonance.
> On June 20, 2007, Eli Lake of the New York Sun reported that Leikin has 
> been
> asked to brief the U.S. State Department on his views.
>
> The Leikin/Brooke article set off a firestorm. Critics argued that the
> authors had been duped, and were relying on poor scholarship. Doug Farah 
> of
> the Counterterrorism Blog took issue with Leikin and Brook's claim that
> Milestones - the book by Sayyid Qutb, long thought to be the vital source
> for Muslim Brotherhood's violent tradition - had been officially abandoned
> by the Brotherhood in favor of Hassan al-Huyabi's Preachers, Not Judges,
> which, as Farah notes, has never been published in English and has not 
> been
> available in the Arab world since 1985. Patrick Poole was even more 
> damning.
> In a June 21, 2007 American Thinker piece, he noted that Leikin had been
> wrong about the Soviet influence over the Sandinistas in Nicaragua in the
> 1980s, and he was just as wrong about the Muslim Brotherhood today. To 
> both
> Farah and Poole, the Brotherhood should not be trusted, since it is saying
> things for Western consumption that belies its true embrace of violent
> methods.
>
> Around the time of the Leikin/Brooks piece, PBS aired a series "America at 
> a
> Crossroads," which explored the challenges confronting the post-9/11 
> world.
> The series included a 60-minute segment, entitled "The Brotherhood," in
> which journalists Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff told the story of
> Abdulrahman Alamoudi, the most famous American member of the organization 
> to
> be convicted in a U.S. court. They traveled to Europe to talk to Yousef
> Nada, one of al Banna's proteges, and hinted at an Al Qaida-Muslim
> Brotherhood connection. Although the film included statements by current 
> and
> former U.S. government officials critical of the Brotherhood, it left open
> the question of the appropriate U.S. policy towards it.
>
> On June 4, 2007, The New Republic published a remarkable 28,000 word essay
> by Paul Berman, entitled "Who's Afraid of Tariq Ramadan." Ramadan, an 
> Swiss
> academic, is the popular English-speaking grandson of Hassan Al Banna.
> Berman considered the mystery of Ramadan - who has been denied a U.S. visa
> to accept a teaching appointment at Notre Dame - and ultimately concluded
> that his smooth rhetoric was a mask hiding enthusiasm for a worldwide
> Islamic domination. Berman attacked Ramadan's refusal, in a televised 
> French
> debate, to condemn the stoning of female adulters, ultimately concluding
> that he is a fraud who had successfully conned several Western liberals. 
> The
> French debate was perhaps the most stinging part of the Berman article,
> since it raised the issue most Western intellectuals have the greatest
> difficulty - the role of women in society if the Brotherhood succeeded in
> coming to power.
>
> Responses to Berman's article were varied. Some argued that Ramadan was a
> classic Muslim Brotherhood member who disingenuously gives the Western 
> world
> what they want to hear while secretly harboring a desire for Muslim 
> conquest
> in contravention of democratic values. To some, it does not matter whether
> Ramadan sincerely opposes violence, as long as his goal is domination of
> non-Muslims, in which case "outreach" is unproductive. One commentator, 
> for
> example, wrote "What exactly do you plan to dialog [sic] about? Can we
> decide, after intense debate, that only half of the Qu'ran is infallible?
> That 16 and not 13 is the right age to sell your daughter to her Algerian
> cousin? That Europe' free press should be vetted by a panel of mullahs
> rather than simply abolished?"
>
> Others argued that Berman was wrong about Ramadan, insisting that he was 
> the
> West's best hope for a pluralistic Islam which embraces democracy and
> universal rights, even if they do not necessarily agree with the glowing
> attention he garners. As one writer put it, "It's useful to have people 
> like
> Ramadan around. His fascism is best dealt with by public engagement."
>
> The debate over Ramadan's bona fides is an important one, if one accepts 
> the
> method of assessing an organization through the behavior of its chosen
> leaders. In this case, Americans might want to bear in mind that a top
> Muslim Brotherhood leader in the U.S., Abdulrahman Alamoudi, is currently
> serving a 23-year prison sentence, after acknowledging his participation 
> in
> a plot by Mohamar Qaddafi to kill King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, in a case
> described on the PBS production.
>
> Regarding Ramadan, the notion that he might be a person with whom Western
> governments should view as a White Knight was struck a blow when David
> Goodhart, editor of Prospect, took him to task in a recent public letter 
> in
> the June 2007 issue of the magazine. Goodhart was one of Ramadan's Western
> supporters, who defended him against claims that he was an extremist. What
> changed Goodhart's position was a June 4, 2007 article by Ramadan in The
> Guardian, which left Goodhart agreeing with Berman's assessment in The New
> Republic piece.
>
> What enraged Goodhart's was Ramadan's suggestion that Mohammad Sidique 
> Khan,
> one of the London July 2005 bombers, acted in response to U.K.'s foreign
> policy and support for the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Noting that Khan had
> become radicalized well before the Iraq War, Goodhart argued:
>
> To blame it all on British foreign policy and racism will simply not do.
> British Muslims are among the politically freest and richest in the world,
> which is why so many more Muslims are desperate to come and live here. Do
> some Muslims do less well than the average on educational and employment
> outcomes? Yes, of course, especially those from poor countries with
> traditional outlooks such as Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.. . . Britain has
> many structural flaws, and individual acts of unfairness or discrimination
> take place every day based on race and religion, and many other things 
> too.
> ...But to assert that Britain is a kind of apartheid state where justice 
> is
> "applied variably depending on whether one is black, Asian or Muslim" is
> such an absurd exaggeration that it undermines your credibility when you 
> are
> pointing to real grievances.
> If Muslims want to change British policy on Iraq or anything else, they
> should join with the larger number of non-Muslims who are unhappy about
> British foreign policy in political parties and pressure groups. If they 
> win
> the argument, over time foreign policy will change. But it requires
> patience, and accepting that however strong your feelings, the democratic
> political process works slowly and over the long term.
>
>
> Goodhart concluded:
>
> You, I thought, were different. You were modern, confident, educated, in
> favour of Muslim integration against religious and ethnic balkanisation. 
> You
> were favoured by the British government because, it seemed, you could
> transcend the often beleaguered, Muslim worldview. That worldview sees
> nothing but grievance and oppression, even for British Muslims like 
> Mohammad
> Sidique Khan who enjoyed all the freedoms of a rich western society (to
> marry for love, to go to university, to never worry where his next meal 
> was
> coming from or how he would pay for healthcare). It is also a worldview
> which sees the murder of 52 innocents two years ago in the name of Islam 
> not
> as an opportunity to take a long, hard look at the pathologies inside some
> sections of British Muslim society but, rather, another opportunity to 
> blame
> the government and complain about Islamophobia. Your Guardian piece 
> suggests
> I was wrong about you-it is a depressingly typical expression of that
> beleaguered, paranoid worldview.
> To people like Goodhart, Ramadan has a long way to guy before he succeeds 
> in
> convincing those who want to believe in him and his Muslim Brotherhood
> movement.
>
> In addition to the above commentary, the Western response to the Muslim
> Brotherhood should also be informed by recent geopolitical events. In
> January 2007, the Muslim Brotherhood scored a singular democratic victory,
> when Hamas, its branch in the Palestinian areas, became the first
> Brotherhood wing to succeed in taking over a government through the ballot
> box. This event proved to be controversial in radical Muslim circles. Al
> Qaeda leader Zahawahiri issued a statement taking the Brotherhood to task
> for even participating in democratic elections ("they abandoned the 
> movement
> of resistance and accepted the government of bargaining... they abandoned
> the heroic stuggler movement and accepted the domesticated beggar
> government"). To Brotherhood enthusiasts like Leikin and Brooke, this 
> event
> and Zawahiri's reaction showed that the Brotherhood was well posed to 
> thrive
> as a Western institution. After all, our most hardened enemies disapproved
> of its actions. Viewed this way, how could the Brotherhood be all that 
> bad?
>
> This view may ultimately be short-lived, as a result of Hamas' recent
> decision to take up arms against Fatah, its partner in the Palestinian
> government. Following a few days of fighting during the week of June 11 - 
> a
> week in which, ironically, the NEFA Foundation gathered some of the 
> Western
> world's foremost experts in Italy to discuss the Muslim Brotherhood - 
> Hamas
> succeeded in driving Fatah forces from Gaza, which it now controls. The
> fragile Palestinian Authority government has been destroyed, with Fatah
> retreating to the West Bank. What was the democracy-spouting Ramadan's
> reaction to this development? He issued a statement claiming that the 
> Hamas'
> actions were Israel's fault. Ramadan's claim, however, failed to convince 
> Al
> Qaida. Ayman Zawahiri issued a statement commending Hamas for its actions 
> in
> Gaza and urging Muslims to support Hamas.
>
> So there it is. The Muslim Brotherhood remains an open question, and its
> worthiness for Western acceptance is far from settled. There is no 
> question
> that these debates will continue. In the meantime, those interested in 
> this
> important national security issues should continue to take notice, and
> welcome the efforts of groups like the NEFA Foundation to advance a 
> broader
> understanding of the Muslim Brotherhood's goals and capabilities.
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=29058
>
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> The Islamist "Doctor's Plot" in the UK was fiendish, but one particularly
> horrific aspect of it has received insufficient attention: it was
> specifically aimed at women.
>
> Buried deep in the New York Times article on the subject was this fact: 
> The
> Tiger Tiger nightclub in London was targeted in part because last Thursday
> was "ladies night."

You mean whoring night! Muslims are disgusted by your approval of the Rabbi 
who bites kids foreskins with his teeth. And the exploitation of women's 
bodies in your perverted designs. 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jul 6, 1:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:Kvvji.842$YH3.807@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>
>> > "Criminal."
>>
>> > That's how Jimmy Carter recently described the Bush administration's
>> > refusal
>> > to support Hamas and its terrorist campaign against the state of 
>> > Israel. A
>> > curious lapse from a human-rights champion?
>>
>> Isreal's human rights record speaks for itself.
>
> Yep.... That is why all the Arabs want to live there...

Sure I saw them lining up at Eilat, ready to serve ZioNazis!
Arsehole, there are more Jews working Aqaba hotels and casinos, than there 
are Egyptians. 




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 Long live Hamas, the only democratically elected representative of 
Palestinian people! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Tell it like it is."  wrote in message 
> news:1183759607.165327.186050@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 6, 5:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Tell it like it is."  wrote in 
>>> messagenews:1183755308.709197.167650@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jul 6, 2:05 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> > > "Criminal."
>>>
>>> > > That's how Jimmy Carter recently described the Bush administration's
>>> refusal
>>> > > to support Hamas and its terrorist campaign against the state of 
>>> > > Israel.
>>> A
>>> > > curious lapse from a human-rights champion? Hardly.
>>>
>>> > > As Jacob Laksin demonstrates in a new booklet, Jimmy Carter's War
>>> Against
>>> > > the Jews, the ex-president's reflexive sympathy for anti-Israel
>>> extremism is
>>> > > sadly typical of his career, both in and out of office. From the 
>>> > > late
>>> PLO
>>> > > terrorist chieftain Yasir Arafat to the Saudi royals, Arab dictators 
>>> > > and
>>> > > militants of every stripe could always count on Carter to spring to
>>> their
>>> > > defense against Israel and the West. By contrast, Israel, the Middle
>>> East's
>>> > > sole democracy, is in Carter's warped vision a racist "apartheid" 
>>> > > state,
>>> as
>>> > > deserving of international censure as her terrorist enemies in Hamas 
>>> > > are
>>> > > deserving of support.
>>>
>>> > > It is Carter's decades-long service in the propaganda war against 
>>> > > the
>>> Jewish
>>> > > state that it is the subject of this booklet. To read it, Click 
>>> > > Here.
>>> > >  http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/Carter4b.pdf
>>>
>>> > > David- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> I asked you that question weeks ago and I've received no answer from
>> you.
>
> I was born and raised in the U.S....    Your turn...
 YOU MEAN SHITTED OUT BY A JEWESS! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Tell it like it is."  wrote in message 
> news:1183768665.354918.132790@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 6, 6:49 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Tell it like it is."  wrote in 
>>> messagenews:1183759607.165327.186050@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jul 6, 5:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> >> "Tell it like it is."  wrote in
>>> >> messagenews:1183755308.709197.167650@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > On Jul 6, 2:05 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> >> > > "Criminal."
>>>
>>> >> > > That's how Jimmy Carter recently described the Bush 
>>> >> > > administration's
>>> >> refusal
>>> >> > > to support Hamas and its terrorist campaign against the state of
>>> >> > > Israel.
>>> >> A
>>> >> > > curious lapse from a human-rights champion? Hardly.
>>>
>>> >> > > As Jacob Laksin demonstrates in a new booklet, Jimmy Carter's War
>>> >> Against
>>> >> > > the Jews, the ex-president's reflexive sympathy for anti-Israel
>>> >> extremism is
>>> >> > > sadly typical of his career, both in and out of office. From the 
>>> >> > > late
>>> >> PLO
>>> >> > > terrorist chieftain Yasir Arafat to the Saudi royals, Arab 
>>> >> > > dictators
>>> >> > > and
>>> >> > > militants of every stripe could always count on Carter to spring 
>>> >> > > to
>>> >> their
>>> >> > > defense against Israel and the West. By contrast, Israel, the 
>>> >> > > Middle
>>> >> East's
>>> >> > > sole democracy, is in Carter's warped vision a racist "apartheid"
>>> >> > > state,
>>> >> as
>>> >> > > deserving of international censure as her terrorist enemies in 
>>> >> > > Hamas
>>> >> > > are
>>> >> > > deserving of support.
>>>
>>> >> > > It is Carter's decades-long service in the propaganda war against 
>>> >> > > the
>>> >> Jewish
>>> >> > > state that it is the subject of this booklet. To read it, Click 
>>> >> > > Here.
>>> >> > >  http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/Carter4b.pdf
>>>
>>> >> > > David- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> > I asked you that question weeks ago and I've received no answer from
>>> > you.
>>>
>>> I was born and raised in the U.S....    Your turn...- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> As a male or female? Answer the question once and for all.
>
> Male...
>
> Now what country were you born and raised in?
 WHOP GIVES A SHIT? I DON'T. ONLY FASCIST THUGS ASK SUCH QUESTIONS 




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"Baird Stafford"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>> news:1183744299.676182.232120@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jul 6, 1:28 pm, "Lucas J. Riesau"  wrote:
>> >> I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
>> >> World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
>> >> is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
>> >> just an urban legend.
>
> A great deal of reliable evidence exists.  Look up the Nuremberg Trials
> and read the testimony of survivors.    Only people who did not fight or
> whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.

You obviously have not examined the evidence which convicted most of the 
Nazis. This evidence did not mention Jews in particular, it mentioned people 
of Europe, Slavs, gypsies, partizans, Lidice, Zhitomir massacre,Kraljevo 
massacre. jews did die during the Holocaust but they were very minor 
casualty of Nazi atrocities 




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"Hatunen"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:28:03 -0700, "Lucas J. Riesau"
>  wrote:
>
>>I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
>>World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
>>is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
>>just an urban legend.
>
> You don't keep up with the news. A vast Holocaust archive of
> meticulous German documantation was just opened to the public.
> See
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm
>
>>So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
>>urban legends???
>
> Why don't you go away and study the documents and decide for
> yourself?
>
> I think I already know how you'll decide, though. There's already
> a web site claiming the records prove the Holocaust a fraud based
> on one piece of paper.

Holocaust is not a fraud, Jews are fraud, for hijacking Holocaust for
their own ulterior purposes 




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 jews lie about Holocaust. The real Holocaust is when Jewish commissars 
slaughtered 100 million Russians, including the murder of Russian Czar and 
his young family. THAT IS THE REAL HOLOCAUST AND JEWS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR 
IT, EVERYONE OF THEM! 




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 > "Contrary to the opinion of the National Socialists, that the Jews were a
> highly organized group, the appalling fact was that they had no 
> organization whatsoever.
BULLSHIT! Zionists were higly organized since19th century, mind you only the 
lite amongst them led the way. Jews controlled export and import of goods in 
Germany, just like they control United States today. They almost starved to 
deathamillion Germans by sabotaging the importation of food, and even salt. 
Hitler actually saved germans from starvationby eliminating the Jewish 
cartels.

 The mass of the Jewish people were taken complete by surprise.
CRAP! The registration of Jewish peopleand mishlinge begun in late 1930's, 
they were organized into agricultural schools tolearn how to grow foodin 
their future home in Madagaskar or Palestine. Many thousands of jews left 
germany long before Anschlus.In Belgrade Jews were registered in 1941, by 
the local government and were not interned for at least a year after that. 
Iknow I was there.

> They did not know at all what to do; they had no directives or slogans as 
> to how they should act.
Doyou think that any of us, Slavs, Russians gypsies etc. knew what to do 
when they ordered us dig tank trenches?

This is the greatest lie of anti-Semitism because it
> gives the lie to that old slogan that the Jews are conspiring to dominate 
> the world
There is lots of proof of that. Protocols are followed by Zionists to the 
letter!

and that they are so highly organized. In reality, they had no
> organization of their own at all, not even an information service. If they 
> had had some sort of organization, these people could have been saved by 
> the millions,
Actually, I doubt very much if more than a million Jews died during the 
war.As compared to the Russian casualtiesof war whereas,just in one single 
atrocity near Voronezh, Nazis killed about one million  Russians, simply by 
putting a barbed wire around thend letting them die

 but instead, they were taken completely by surprise.
Not true at all. Jews had same opportunities as did the rest of us they 
chose to work in Nazi amunition factories rather that joining partizans

 Never before
> has a people gone as unsuspectingly to its disaster.
We once derailed a train at Ralja and asked Jews to leave the train and come 
with us, very few did

Nothing was prepared.
> Absolutely nothing."

Everybody was in the same boat. I am sure that if I was a jew I wouldn't be 
waiting for the German train to take me to workin Germany! 




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 July 6, 2007

Let us see here. There is Mohammed Atta and now there is Mohammed Ascha...
Atta, Ascha, Gotcha...

They keep getting you with al-Kayda and the Atta's and the Ascha's.
Tell you warfare psychologists to diversify a tad. Innovate Dears, innovate.

Do you ever wonder why they keep calling him, them Mohammed... Atta, Ascha?
I mean why not Mustafa or Ali, or Hassan or Hussein or Abbass ?

I will tell you why. Mohammed is a very symbolic name.
No prophet has been vilified, demonized, satanized, as much as the prophet 
Mohammed, Peace be upon Him.

This is not new. It started with the Crusades. They called his 
followers,Mohammedans.
A word that does not exist in Arabic. Mohammedans...Next they will call us 
Attayans, or Aschayans...

French medieval litterature abounds with base, demonic descriptions of the 
Prophet.
He has been called all kinds of names. Lecherous, lustful, warmonger, 
peodophile, anti-Christ...And the portrayal has not stopped in Medieval 
times. In fact it has continued till this very day.

However your hypocritical politically correct stance does not allow you to 
proclaim publicly all the above, so what do you do instead? You devise plots 
and plans in which he and his followers can continue to be vilified...The 
Danish cartoons are nothing but a continuation, Dears...

So you call them Mohammed. Mohammed Atta, Mohammed Ascha...

I will not dwell on the bad Hollywood movie called 9/11. Very bad 
production, very bad producer...
All I can tell you is that it is getting repetitive and stale...Innovate 
Dears, innovate.
As you say in the Anglo Saxon world, get your creative juices flowing...But 
it is hard. The script is ugly and the players are third rate actors. I do 
sympathize.

When 9.11 happened, I was watching ZE CNN as Hosny Mubarak calls it.
The commentator and the cameraman showed the rubbles and the pile of dust 
covering screaming bloody faces. And in the middle of tons of rubbles, what 
did they find unscathed, untouched, in perfect mint condition? Mohammed 
Atta's passport.

The commentator flashed it to the camera lenses. I saw it with my own eyes 
on ZE CNN.
At that point, I was gripped with a hysterical laughter...Mohammed Atta's 
passport was found in perfect condition. And just by chance they also found 
some flying manuals in Arabic...I laughed even harder.
I know Arabic speaking pilots who confirmed to me that flying manuals in 
Arabic do not exist.

Of course at that point, I could not be bothered to ask what happened to the 
third plane in Pennsylvania...

Now getting back to the Ascha's and Atta's. And link it to the WMD and Iraq. 
And the Niger papers on Uranium and the reports from the British 
intelligence that drove one of your English blokes to suicide....

Such a bad movie. Such a bad plot, a bad script...Do fire the producer. Will 
you?

Americans, Brits, do you still need a bogeyman? After the fall of the wall, 
I would have thought that you would have matured a tiny bit...seems not...

Bad scripts and bad plots and Iraqis have paid their price with a million 
deaths in just 4 years.

Kayda, Atta, Ascha...They gotcha.
They got you under mental siege and they got us with their "creative chaos".

Fire the producer and change the script. Unless of course, you thrive on 
mediocre plots.




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"Mel Rowing"  wrote in message 
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> On 6 Jul, 19:40, Ariadne  wrote:
>> >From which neo-Nazi site did this old Russian get this rubbish?
>>
>> On 6 Jul, 19:37, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >  The Murder of Policewoman Yvonne Fletcher, copyright Joe Vialls
>>
>> > On the 17th April 1984, policewoman Yvonne Fletcher was shot in the 
>> > back
>> > while on crowd control duties outside the Libyan Embassy in London. In 
>> > the
>> > ensuing media frenzy, Libya was accused of ordering her death, and it
>> > diplomatic personnel were expelled from the Embassy and from London. 
>> > The
>> > subsequent coronial inquest into her death was rushed and lacking in 
>> > detail.
>> > On closer examination of the available scientific evidence, it became 
>> > very
>> > clear that the shot which killed Yvonne Fletcher could not have been 
>> > fired
>> > from the Libyan Embassy, but only from Enserch House a few doors away.
>> > In-depth investigation proved links between this building in 1984 
>> > directly
>> > to the CIA, and indirectly to the Israeli Mossad. Exactly why these two
>> > agencies ordered the execution of an unarmed policewoman doing her duty 
>> > on
>> > the streets of London is unclear, but general motivation seems obvious.
>> > Israel in particular has always viewed Libya as an enemy, and the 
>> > murder of
>> > Yvonne Fletcher completely undermined Libya's standing in the 
>> > international
>> > community. In addition, economic sanctions rapidly imposed on Libya 
>> > caused
>> > severe damage to its defence, health and other internal structures
>
> WPC Fletcher was in fact shot in the stomach.
>
> She was one of 12 people shot that day. The other 11 fortunately
> survived.
>
> Eye witnesses testified at the inquest to seeing flashes and smoke
> emanating from windows of the LIbyan embassy.
>
> After the diplomats left (with the murder weapon presumably in the
> diplomatic bag) spent cartridge residues and a spent cartridge case
> were found in the embassy in the region of the windows described by
> the witnesses.
WHY? IT WOULDN'T FIT IN THE DIPLOMATIC POUCH? 




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 I like the story of a "witness" seeing the flash of one single shot. That 
really takes the cake. I bet that they could find someone who saw the bullet 
fly through the air! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> THE car-bomb/suicide-terror operations in London and Glasgow should have
> provided a fresh opportunity for reminding everyone, especially Muslims in
> Britain, that terrorism in the name of Islam

There is plenty of terrorism in the name of Christianity, oil and Judaism 
being comitted nowdays, we don't need to sweat the small stuff! 




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"captain."  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:R0qji.43205$Qz4.41536@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "captain."  wrote in message 
>> news:asnji.15192$Io4.460@edtnps89...
>>>
>>> they are already "getting" the oil. they are buying it at market price 
>>> like everyone else and investing in the oil fields just like china, the 
>>> british, etc...
>>> the longer it stays here, the stronger canada will get. in my generation 
>>> alone there have blossomed many fresh patriots. "manifest destiny" was 
>>> not acted on when it could have worked. now it's too late.
>>
>> God bless Trudeau!
>
> a common north american currency, otoh, would get my support. there is 
> less then 5 cents difference now between the canadian dollar and the us 
> dollar so it would be a great time to do it as far as canada is concerned. 
> i don't think it will happen though.
>
I remeber when Canadian$ was worth 1.09US ! 




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On Jul 7, 1:46 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>
> news:izFji.18730$p7.8969@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>
> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> >news:1Svji.845$YH3.461@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> >> THE car-bomb/suicide-terror operations in London and Glasgow should have
> >> provided a fresh opportunity for reminding everyone, especially Muslims
> >> in
> >> Britain, that terrorism in the name of Islam
>
> > There is plenty of terrorism in the name of Christianity, oil and Judaism
> > being comitted nowdays, we don't need to sweat the small stuff!
>
> So why do you want to sweat Christianity, Judaism and oil and ignore the
> heavy hitting Izlamozombies?

More vicious crimes have been committed by your two religions than by
all the other religions put together and multiplied by ten!



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On Jul 7, 6:54 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> AND THE FUCKING BRITS ACADEMIC CALL FOR ISRAEL BOYCOT!
>
> THEY NEVER LEARNED THE LESSON!

AND WHAT "LESSON"  WOULD THAT BE? THE LESSON OF ANOTHER BLACK
OPERATION BY JEWS?
>
> On Jul 6, 7:29 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > THE car-bomb/suicide-terror operations in London and Glasgow should have
> > provided a fresh opportunity for reminding everyone, especially Muslims in
> > Britain, that terrorism in the name of Islam still poses a major threat to
> > public peace and safety. Yet this is not what is happening.
>
> > Prime Minister Gordon Brown keeps repeating that the attacks have nothing to
> > do with Islam - but, at the same time, keeps inviting "Muslim community
> > leaders" to Downing Street to discuss how to prevent attacks. If the attacks
> > have nothing to do with Islam, why invite Muslim "leaders" rather than
> > Buddhist monks?
>
> > Brown hasn't deemed fit to tell it like it is: that Muslims in Britain,
> > indeed all over the world, must come out and condemn terrorism in
> > unambiguous terms.
>
> > Instead, we are hearing that the attacks may have been prompted by "Muslim
> > bitterness" about Salman Rushdie's knighting, the latest addition to the
> > Islamist litany of woes. Some "moderate community leaders," like a certain
> > Baroness Uddin, drop hints that Muslims have "foreign-policy issues" that
> > might make them unhappy. The barely coded message: Unless Britain reshapes
> > its foreign policy to please al Qaeda, it must expect to be attacked.
>
> > The most that "the moderate community leaders" concede is a "yes, but"
> > position: Yes, it is not quite right to blow up innocent people - but, then
> > again, we must understand how anger at the policies of the government of
> > those same innocent people might prompt some Muslim youths to want to
> > slaughter everyone.
>
> > Worse still, Ken Livingstone, London's quixotic leftist mayor, has shifted
> > the blame from the terrorists to the British at large, who are supposedly
> > tempted by "Islamophobia."
>
> > Thus, Livingstone works his way into a logical impasse: Do we dislike them
> > because they want to kill us, or do they want to kill us because we dislike
> > them? He implies that the main blame must lie with the British government
> > and its U.S. allies, especially President Bush, who has declared war on
> > terror rather than seeking to cuddle it.
>
> > But can one accuse Britain of "Islamophobia"? The answer is an emphatic no.
>
> > Britain and a few other Western democracies are the only places on earth
> > where Muslims of all persuasions can practice their faith in full freedom. A
> > thick directory of Muslim institutions in Britain lists more than 300
> > different sects - most of them banned and persecuted in every Muslim country
> > on earth.
>
> > A Shiite Muslim can't build a mosque in Cairo; his Sunni brother can't have
> > a mosque of his own in Tehran. Editions of the Koran printed in Egypt or
> > Saudi Arabia are seized as contraband in Iran; Egypt and most other Muslim
> > nations in turn ban the import of Korans printed in Iran. The works of a
> > majority of Muslim writers and philosophers are banned in most Muslim
> > countries.
>
> > In Britain, all mosques are allowed; no Muslim author or philosopher is
> > banned. More importantly, rival Muslim sects do not massacre each other, as
> > is the case in half a dozen Muslim-majority countries.
>
> > The only time that the British media practice self-censorship is when an
> > item might be seen as remotely anti-Islamic. Every British publisher has
> > turned down at least one book proposal for fear of hurting Muslim feelings.
> > "Taking Muslim sensibilities into account" is also the reason given for the
> > cancellation of some art exhibitions and the selection of works on display
> > in others.
>
> > Even the most rabid anti-West and pro-terror Islamist clerics are granted
> > visas to come to the United Kingdom and spread their message of hatred (at
> > times, as guests of Mayor Livingstone and his friends). Hamas and Hezbollah
> > are strongly present in Britain; the Islamic Liberation Party, banned in all
> > Muslim countries, has its headquarters in London.
>
> > Pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah militants are featured on British TV almost
> > every evening. The Islamic Republic of Iran's "Supreme Guide," Ali Khamenei,
> > maintains a "personal office" in London with twice as many personnel as
> > Iran's official embassy.
>
> > The latest "Islamophobia" charges come as Prime Minister Brown has appointed
> > two Muslims to his ministerial team, the first in U.K. history.
>
> > The terrorists who tried to kill people in London and Glasgow are the same
> > ones killing people in Baghdad and Karachi. They are the same who killed
> > tens of thousands of Egyptians and perhaps as many as a quarter-million
> > Algerians over the decades. They are motivated not by any religious
> > grievance but by an insatiable appetite for political power. They want to
> > seize control of societies, break them into submission and impose on every
> > individual a mad tyranny of terror in the name of God.
>
> > If Islam is the religion of peace, then the real Islamphobes are those who
> > planted the car bombs in London and Glasgow - not the poor Brits who are
> > censoring themselves and curbing their hard-won freedoms in order not to
> > offend "the Muslim community."http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/20904




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Dear Readers:

I received this email today from a person who fully sees through the
mass hallucination under which we all live and/or suffer. I have
nothing to add. This letter speaks more eloquently on the subject than
I ever could.

Joe Bageant


Joe,

Grab a six-pack and sit in the comfortable chair. I'm so pissed. It's
not you I'm mad at, it's the hologram you're always writing about,
that imaginary world created by the media that controls our actions
and directs our thoughts. I usually ignore the hologram by rarely
turning on the television and only reading news on websites that
attempt to be reasonable. But though I know the hologram is all lies,
I need to go to it now because I know the people being lied about and
there is no other source of information.

My husband is Palestinian and I lived in Jordan in 1995-96. This week
I heard that two kids from the high school where I taught there (a
school for gifted students funded by Queen Noor) are in jail in
England for those (I snort and sneer and roll my eyes) "failed terror
attacks" last week. And they didn't do anything, Joe. They are a young
couple with a baby son, and everyone who knows or ever knew them
agrees they could never harm another human being.

But it's not only that. It's that there is no evidence at all. Just
none. The British government hasn't even tried to make a case or
suggest a motive.

That's where the hologram comes in. I always understood what you meant
by the term, but I didn't appreciate all of its aspects until now.
It's a hologram because you see it, but it isn't real. You see police
cars surrounded the car of a "terror suspect" and are told he led the
police on a chase.

When you learn he is a neurosurgeon whose wife and baby were in the
car with him, you might think he probably just pulled over when the
police seemed to want him to, but only if you were still capable of
using your own brain.

After all, his name is Mohammed and his wife wears a headscarf, and
the hologram has already shown us over and over what comes of that
sort of thing. So maybe you'll just ignore what your brain was trying
to say - that neurosurgeons have a lot invested in their careers and
no time for hobbies like blowing stuff up, and young mothers are
fiercely protective of their babies, and therefore avoid hazardous
things like having their husbands become terrorists and getting in car
chases with the police.

The hologram analogy also works in the way the media are so hard to
ignore. Even when you make a point of ignoring them, they are always
there, flickering around the edges, burning impressions you can't
quite get rid of. When my sister-in-law (head of the English
department at their high school back then, an English literature
professor in a university now) first emailed me the news story, I
thought, "How ridiculous to think of Marwa or Mohammed involved in
this!" After a few days of staring into the hologram searching for
information, I had to ask "Do I really know what I know? Or could the
hologram be right?" Not that there was any evidence offered. There was
just a bunch of comments by neighbors about his beard and her "burqa"
and the mailman saying they usually didn't get lots of packages, but
then for a while they got some packages.

My common sense said, "Ooh, spooky stuff. Maybe even baby clothes."
But it was all so tidy and comfortable in that TV/mainstream news site
world. I almost wanted to be lulled into stupidly fearing the bad
doctor and his mysterious wife, but my memories of the actual Marwa
and Mohammed kept getting in the way. It would have been like an
episode of "24" if only the nice young doctor could go ahead and turn
into a mad bomber in my imagination. But because I once knew him, he
just kept turning back into a really sweet, polite 15-year-old who was
always clowning with his friends. I specifically remember thinking
they were like a pile of puppies, and that memory shuts down the
hologram for a bit until it blinks back on after a while. And Marwa,
who I remember even more clearly, was such an intelligent, kind,
delightful person that her sweetness makes me cry every time I see it
radiating from a picture of her on the television or computer screen.

Why can't everyone else see it?

Meanwhile, though no evidence of guilt has been offered, the holo-
discussion zooms ahead. How do we keep these monsters out?

Most commentators recommend increasing security and letting fewer
aliens in, but even the well-meaning ones, who say, "They hate us
because we've done awful things" are missing something. "They" may or
may not hate "us", but no case has been made that "they" did anything
about it, at least not in this instance. And the British have an
embarrassing record of arresting totally innocent people in cases like
these.


The facts known about Mohammed Asha and his wife, Marwa Da'ana, are
entirely positive. Well-educated, hard-working, etc. The ugly things
said about them are not facts, nor are they backed up by facts. A
young couple has been separated from each other and from their son,
imprisoned without charges in a foreign country far from their friends
and relatives.

How do you think the people close to them feel? No one has heard
anything of them. And already, now that their carefully constructed
future has been smashed, that hologram has shut down and everyone
turns to the others flickering on elsewhere.

Joe, are you still there? I'm done. Thanks for listening.

Jennifer
Los Angeles

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2007/07/lies-about-fail.html


Also read:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=130a65d3-179d-4cb1-b177-308e0fed2779&k=15660



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:33 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.russian
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On Jul 7, 1:06 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1183811557.216401.12660@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Dear Readers:
>
> > I received this email today from a person who fully sees through the
> > mass hallucination under which we all live and/or suffer. <
>
> You mean the bullshit of Islam that has captured the feeble minds of 1.4
> billion morons?
>
>
>
> >I have
> > nothing to add. This letter speaks more eloquently on the subject than
> > I ever could.
>
> > Joe Bageant
>
> > Joe,
>
> > Grab a six-pack and sit in the comfortable chair. I'm so pissed. It's
> > not you I'm mad at, it's the hologram you're always writing about,
> > that imaginary world created by the media that controls our actions
> > and directs our thoughts. I usually ignore the hologram by rarely
> > turning on the television and only reading news on websites that
> > attempt to be reasonable. But though I know the hologram is all lies,
> > I need to go to it now because I know the people being lied about and
> > there is no other source of information.
>
> > My husband is Palestinian and I lived in Jordan in 1995-96. This week
> > I heard that two kids from the high school where I taught there (a
> > school for gifted students funded by Queen Noor) are in jail in
> > England for those (I snort and sneer and roll my eyes) "failed terror
> > attacks" last week. And they didn't do anything, Joe. They are a young
> > couple with a baby son, and everyone who knows or ever knew them
> > agrees they could never harm another human being.
>
> > But it's not only that. It's that there is no evidence at all. Just
> > none. The British government hasn't even tried to make a case or
> > suggest a motive.
>
> > That's where the hologram comes in. I always understood what you meant
> > by the term, but I didn't appreciate all of its aspects until now.
> > It's a hologram because you see it, but it isn't real. You see police
> > cars surrounded the car of a "terror suspect" and are told he led the
> > police on a chase.
>
> > When you learn he is a neurosurgeon whose wife and baby were in the
> > car with him, you might think he probably just pulled over when the
> > police seemed to want him to, but only if you were still capable of
> > using your own brain.
>
> > After all, his name is Mohammed and his wife wears a headscarf, and
> > the hologram has already shown us over and over what comes of that
> > sort of thing. So maybe you'll just ignore what your brain was trying
> > to say - that neurosurgeons have a lot invested in their careers and
> > no time for hobbies like blowing stuff up, and young mothers are
> > fiercely protective of their babies, and therefore avoid hazardous
> > things like having their husbands become terrorists and getting in car
> > chases with the police.
>
> > The hologram analogy also works in the way the media are so hard to
> > ignore. Even when you make a point of ignoring them, they are always
> > there, flickering around the edges, burning impressions you can't
> > quite get rid of. When my sister-in-law (head of the English
> > department at their high school back then, an English literature
> > professor in a university now) first emailed me the news story, I
> > thought, "How ridiculous to think of Marwa or Mohammed involved in
> > this!" After a few days of staring into the hologram searching for
> > information, I had to ask "Do I really know what I know? Or could the
> > hologram be right?" Not that there was any evidence offered. There was
> > just a bunch of comments by neighbors about his beard and her "burqa"
> > and the mailman saying they usually didn't get lots of packages, but
> > then for a while they got some packages.
>
> > My common sense said, "Ooh, spooky stuff. Maybe even baby clothes."
> > But it was all so tidy and comfortable in that TV/mainstream news site
> > world. I almost wanted to be lulled into stupidly fearing the bad
> > doctor and his mysterious wife, but my memories of the actual Marwa
> > and Mohammed kept getting in the way. It would have been like an
> > episode of "24" if only the nice young doctor could go ahead and turn
> > into a mad bomber in my imagination. But because I once knew him, he
> > just kept turning back into a really sweet, polite 15-year-old who was
> > always clowning with his friends. I specifically remember thinking
> > they were like a pile of puppies, and that memory shuts down the
> > hologram for a bit until it blinks back on after a while. And Marwa,
> > who I remember even more clearly, was such an intelligent, kind,
> > delightful person that her sweetness makes me cry every time I see it
> > radiating from a picture of her on the television or computer screen.
>
> > Why can't everyone else see it?
>
> > Meanwhile, though no evidence of guilt has been offered, the holo-
> > discussion zooms ahead. How do we keep these monsters out?
>
> > Most commentators recommend increasing security and letting fewer
> > aliens in, but even the well-meaning ones, who say, "They hate us
> > because we've done awful things" are missing something. "They" may or
> > may not hate "us", but no case has been made that "they" did anything
> > about it, at least not in this instance. And the British have an
> > embarrassing record of arresting totally innocent people in cases like
> > these.
>
> > The facts known about Mohammed Asha and his wife, Marwa Da'ana, are
> > entirely positive. Well-educated, hard-working, etc. The ugly things
> > said about them are not facts, nor are they backed up by facts. A
> > young couple has been separated from each other and from their son,
> > imprisoned without charges in a foreign country far from their friends
> > and relatives.
>
> > How do you think the people close to them feel? No one has heard
> > anything of them. And already, now that their carefully constructed
> > future has been smashed, that hologram has shut down and everyone
> > turns to the others flickering on elsewhere.
>
> > Joe, are you still there? I'm done. Thanks for listening.
>
> > Jennifer
> > Los Angeles<
>
> The best amd safest place for Muslim Arabs is in Arabia,

SO LOMG AS THE LONG NOSED, PERVERTED SCUM LIKE YOU LEAVE IT ALONE!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:34 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 7, 10:43 am, "Jeffrey Krantz"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>
> news:izFji.18730$p7.8969@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>
> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> >news:1Svji.845$YH3.461@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> >> THE car-bomb/suicide-terror operations in London and Glasgow should have
> >> provided a fresh opportunity for reminding everyone, especially Muslims
> >> in
> >> Britain, that terrorism in the name of Islam
>
> > There is plenty of terrorism in the name of Christianity, oil and Judaism
> > being comitted nowdays, we don't need to sweat the small stuff!
>
> Terrorism in the name of Christianity and Judaism?? BULLSHIT
> name it.

FOR A STARTER ONE MILLION IRAQIS KILLED BY US FORCES AND THEIR
PUPPETS, TORTURES AND RAPES BY THE THOUSAND
AS FOR ISRAEL, IT EXECUTES DOZEN PALESTINIANS A DAY. TO ME BOTH OF
THESE ARE TERRORISM!



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From:  Venceremos 
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>
> A Shiite Muslim can't build a mosque in Cairo; his Sunni brother can't have
> a mosque of his own in Tehran. Editions of the Koran printed in Egypt or
> Saudi Arabia are seized as contraband in Iran; Egypt and most other Muslim
> nations in turn ban the import of Korans printed in Iran. The works of a
> majority of Muslim writers and philosophers are banned in most Muslim
> countries.

what a lying scumbag! Egyptians were shia, before they became sunni,
and today there are thousands of shia still in Egypt, they attend the
same mosque, and read the same Quran. Holy Quran is ONE no matter
where it is printed.
besides the biggest and and oldest synagogue in Middle East is located
in Cairo, it is maintained and protected by the Egyptian government.
Maimonides is buried in Cairo, He chose to live and die there because
his own Jews wanted him dead.

FOR SOME REASON THIS IDIOT THINKS THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT MOSQUES FOR
SUNNIS, AND SHIA! WHAT A PIG!



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From:  Venceremos 
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 WHAT ABOUT THE RABBI WHO LIKES BITING THE FORESKINS OF BABIES, IN
ORDER TO GIVE THEM HERPES? IS HE GOOD LONG NOSED JEW, OR WHAT!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:34 EDT 2007
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From:  Venceremos 
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 Jul 3, 2007, 05:41

After your long years spent in prison you should have been allowed to
leave Jerusalem to live in peace in a civilised democratic country.
However, your tormentors from the Zionist state of Israel made sure
that you should suffer severe restrictions on your liberty. I learn
that you have now been sentenced to six months' imprisonment for
daring to speak to foreign journalists in a state which still pretends
or claims to be democratic. As a lawyer, with many years of practical
experience of both international and criminal law, I have never
accepted that you were treated justly.

As the world knows, you were first kidnapped, and then tried and
sentenced by a court organised in accordance with principles perfected
by the late Joseph Stalin, for telling the world that the Zionist
state of Israel had, with the complicity of several "western" states
(including my own), provided itself with nuclear arms.

You were also punished for having shown up the double standards, when
dealing with nuclear weapons, of the United States, whose government,
of either party, welcomes arms of mass destruction being held by its
close "allies" without any check or control by the I.A.E.A., but
objects to their being held by countries which accept the rules and
constraints of the international nuclear regulatory body.

You remain for many, including myself, a hero for your efforts to use
truth to fight the tyrants whose desire to rule our world makes them
oppose every form of justice, peace or freedom. Truth is the greatest
enemy of these tyrants, and we all have a duty to see that it breaks
through the thick smokescreen so cleverly imposed by many of the media
which serve the rulers of our "western" world.

In the past, since your semi-release from imprisonment, I was able to
correspond with you by e-mail, but I suspect that the Zionist Gestapo
will either have taken over all your means of communication or will
prevent it from operating effectively.

With, once again and on behalf of all lovers of justice and freedom,
my humble thanks for your courageous actions, I can assure you that
you are in my prayers. I am also sure that your faith and courage will
bring you through this further form of suffering.

Yours sincerely,

Robert



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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 6, 11:51 pm, "JC Roe"  wrote:
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56532
>
> Jewish leader: Israel should not be state for Jews
> Former Knesset member urges Israelis to obtain foreign passports
>
> TEL AVIV - A former Knesset member, international leftist Jewish leader and
> senior activist of Israel's "peace camp," which seeks Israeli retreats from
> strategic territory, wants Israel to cease being a Jewish state and
> encourages all Israelis to obtain foreign passports.
>
> "To define the state of Israel as a Jewish state is the key to its end. A
> Jewish state is explosive. It's dynamite," said Avraham Burg, an activist in
> the "Peace Now" movement and a former Knesset member from Israel's leftist
> Labor party.
>
> Burg, speaking to Israel's Haaretz newspaper, also served as chairman of the
> Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organization, both of which are major
> Jewish organizations.
>
> The leftist Israeli leader said Israel should learn from the assimilation
> and inter-marriage of Jews in the U.S., where Jewish individuals marrying
> non-Jews has become a major phenomenon.
>
> "Just as there was something astonishing about German Jewry, in America,
> too, they created the potential for something astonishing. They created a
> situation in which the goy (non-Jew) can be my father and my mother and my
> son and my partner," Burg said.
>
> "The goy (in America) is not hostile but embracing. And as a result, what
> emerges is a Jewish experience of integration, not separation."
>
> Burg criticized what he called Israelis' "closed conception" of religion,
> which he stated is "orthodox, not humanist and not universal." He said other
> alternatives to Judaism must be offered.
>
> Burg went on to call for the abrogation of Israel's Law of Return, which
> allows all Jews seeking sanctuary in Israel to become citizens. The law
> helped Jews facing persecution in countries such as Germany, Russia and
> Yemen.
>
> Burg compared the Law of Return, which singles out Jews, to rule under Nazi
> Germany.
>
> "The Law of Return is an apologetic law. It is the mirror image of Hitler. I
> don't want Hitler to define my identity." Burg then compelled Israelis to
> follow in his footsteps and obtain foreign passports. Burg left Israeli
> politics in 2004 and now is a citizen of France. He is still active as a
> leader in Israel's peace camp, which calls for the establishment of a
> Palestinian state and Israeli evacuations of the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights,
> West Bank and eastern sections of Jerusalem.
>
> Israel retreated from Gaza in 2005. Since then, Hamas took over Gaza and
> rockets have been regularly fired from the territory into nearby Jewish
> population centers.
>
> The Golan Heights is strategic mountainous territory bordering Syria and
> Lebanon and looking down on Israeli population centers. The Heights was
> twice used by Damascus to launch invasions into the Jewish state.
>
> The West Bank borders Jerusalem and is within rocket range of Tel Aviv and
> Israel's international airport.

Jews do not want Palestine or US, they want the world!



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On Jul 7, 1:49 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>
> news:Z%Dji.18672$p7.14574@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> > How about Adam Pearlman, do you think that he is worthy to be a
> > Brotherhood member?
> > Well, he is a "A Qaeda" leader, and a Jew to boot!
>
> You are lying again...
>
GOOGLE HIM UP CROATIAN DONKEY!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:35 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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Just think about it
Saturday, May 24, 2003


Lee Harris of Policy Review wants us to examine the "political purpose" of 
the 9.11 attacks in an attempt to dismantle the "Root Cause" argument 
against the war on terrorism. The author argues that because "al-Qaeda" 
hasn't "struck again" domestically, they are operating under a "fantasy 
ideology".
  "The assumption is this: An act of violence on the magnitude of 9-11 can 
only have been intended to further some kind of political objective. What 
this political objective might be, or whether it is worthwhile - these are 
all secondary considerations; but surely people do not commit such acts 
unless they are trying to achieve some kind of recognizably political 
purpose. "
I wonder how much this "fantasy ideology" has changed from the time 
"al-Qaeda" was running CIA Ops in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya. 
The most recognizable and actualized "objective" for the September 11th 
attacks is found in the doctrine
 "Rebuilding America's Defenses" from the Project for a New American 
Century:
  "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is 
likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --  
like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000, p. 63)
The benefits of terrorism throughout history from Diocletian (Christians), 
to the burning of the Reichstag building (Jews), to 9-11 (Arabs), advance 
only the political agendas of those being attacked, not those doing the 
attacking.

Can you think of an example where terrorists benefited from terrorism?
  "But what happens when it is not an individual who is caught up in his 
fantasy world, but an entire group - a sect, or a people, or even a nation? 
That such a thing can happen is obvious from a glance at history."
On this point, the author and I are in full agreement. Undoubtedly, for 
opposite reasons, such as the paranoid fear of evil boogeymen living in 
caves, who are trying to "take away our freedom", vs. the reality behind the 
dismantling of the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and the creation of 
police-state USA to fit this fantasy.


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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:35 EDT 2007
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Just think about it
Saturday, May 24, 2003


Lee Harris of Policy Review wants us to examine the "political purpose" of 
the 9.11 attacks in an attempt to dismantle the "Root Cause" argument 
against the war on terrorism. The author argues that because "al-Qaeda" 
hasn't "struck again" domestically, they are operating under a "fantasy 
ideology".
  "The assumption is this: An act of violence on the magnitude of 9-11 can 
only have been intended to further some kind of political objective. What 
this political objective might be, or whether it is worthwhile - these are 
all secondary considerations; but surely people do not commit such acts 
unless they are trying to achieve some kind of recognizably political 
purpose. "
I wonder how much this "fantasy ideology" has changed from the time 
"al-Qaeda" was running CIA Ops in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya. 
The most recognizable and actualized "objective" for the September 11th 
attacks is found in the doctrine
 "Rebuilding America's Defenses" from the Project for a New American 
Century:
  "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is 
likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --  
like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000, p. 63)
The benefits of terrorism throughout history from Diocletian (Christians), 
to the burning of the Reichstag building (Jews), to 9-11 (Arabs), advance 
only the political agendas of those being attacked, not those doing the 
attacking.

Can you think of an example where terrorists benefited from terrorism?
  "But what happens when it is not an individual who is caught up in his 
fantasy world, but an entire group - a sect, or a people, or even a nation? 
That such a thing can happen is obvious from a glance at history."
On this point, the author and I are in full agreement. Undoubtedly, for 
opposite reasons, such as the paranoid fear of evil boogeymen living in 
caves, who are trying to "take away our freedom", vs. the reality behind the 
dismantling of the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and the creation of 
police-state USA to fit this fantasy.


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Just think about it
Saturday, May 24, 2003


Lee Harris of Policy Review wants us to examine the "political purpose" of 
the 9.11 attacks in an attempt to dismantle the "Root Cause" argument 
against the war on terrorism. The author argues that because "al-Qaeda" 
hasn't "struck again" domestically, they are operating under a "fantasy 
ideology".
  "The assumption is this: An act of violence on the magnitude of 9-11 can 
only have been intended to further some kind of political objective. What 
this political objective might be, or whether it is worthwhile - these are 
all secondary considerations; but surely people do not commit such acts 
unless they are trying to achieve some kind of recognizably political 
purpose. "
I wonder how much this "fantasy ideology" has changed from the time 
"al-Qaeda" was running CIA Ops in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya. 
The most recognizable and actualized "objective" for the September 11th 
attacks is found in the doctrine
 "Rebuilding America's Defenses" from the Project for a New American 
Century:
  "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is 
likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --  
like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000, p. 63)
The benefits of terrorism throughout history from Diocletian (Christians), 
to the burning of the Reichstag building (Jews), to 9-11 (Arabs), advance 
only the political agendas of those being attacked, not those doing the 
attacking.

Can you think of an example where terrorists benefited from terrorism?
  "But what happens when it is not an individual who is caught up in his 
fantasy world, but an entire group - a sect, or a people, or even a nation? 
That such a thing can happen is obvious from a glance at history."
On this point, the author and I are in full agreement. Undoubtedly, for 
opposite reasons, such as the paranoid fear of evil boogeymen living in 
caves, who are trying to "take away our freedom", vs. the reality behind the 
dismantling of the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and the creation of 
police-state USA to fit this fantasy.


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Just think about it
Saturday, May 24, 2003


Lee Harris of Policy Review wants us to examine the "political purpose" of 
the 9.11 attacks in an attempt to dismantle the "Root Cause" argument 
against the war on terrorism. The author argues that because "al-Qaeda" 
hasn't "struck again" domestically, they are operating under a "fantasy 
ideology".
  "The assumption is this: An act of violence on the magnitude of 9-11 can 
only have been intended to further some kind of political objective. What 
this political objective might be, or whether it is worthwhile - these are 
all secondary considerations; but surely people do not commit such acts 
unless they are trying to achieve some kind of recognizably political 
purpose. "
I wonder how much this "fantasy ideology" has changed from the time 
"al-Qaeda" was running CIA Ops in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya. 
The most recognizable and actualized "objective" for the September 11th 
attacks is found in the doctrine
 "Rebuilding America's Defenses" from the Project for a New American 
Century:
  "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is 
likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --  
like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000, p. 63)
The benefits of terrorism throughout history from Diocletian (Christians), 
to the burning of the Reichstag building (Jews), to 9-11 (Arabs), advance 
only the political agendas of those being attacked, not those doing the 
attacking.

Can you think of an example where terrorists benefited from terrorism?
  "But what happens when it is not an individual who is caught up in his 
fantasy world, but an entire group - a sect, or a people, or even a nation? 
That such a thing can happen is obvious from a glance at history."
On this point, the author and I are in full agreement. Undoubtedly, for 
opposite reasons, such as the paranoid fear of evil boogeymen living in 
caves, who are trying to "take away our freedom", vs. the reality behind the 
dismantling of the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and the creation of 
police-state USA to fit this fantasy.


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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:36 EDT 2007
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 > Nope.... just wondering why you like a culture that cleaves clits...
>
DODOO LIKES THE CULTURE WHICH BITES OFF THE FORESKINS OF BABIES! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:39:36 EDT 2007
Article: 1759087 of soc.culture.jewish
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Just think about it
Saturday, May 24, 2003


Lee Harris of Policy Review wants us to examine the "political purpose" of 
the 9.11 attacks in an attempt to dismantle the "Root Cause" argument 
against the war on terrorism. The author argues that because "al-Qaeda" 
hasn't "struck again" domestically, they are operating under a "fantasy 
ideology".
  "The assumption is this: An act of violence on the magnitude of 9-11 can 
only have been intended to further some kind of political objective. What 
this political objective might be, or whether it is worthwhile - these are 
all secondary considerations; but surely people do not commit such acts 
unless they are trying to achieve some kind of recognizably political 
purpose. "
I wonder how much this "fantasy ideology" has changed from the time 
"al-Qaeda" was running CIA Ops in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya. 
The most recognizable and actualized "objective" for the September 11th 
attacks is found in the doctrine
 "Rebuilding America's Defenses" from the Project for a New American 
Century:
  "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is 
likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --  
like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000, p. 63)
The benefits of terrorism throughout history from Diocletian (Christians), 
to the burning of the Reichstag building (Jews), to 9-11 (Arabs), advance 
only the political agendas of those being attacked, not those doing the 
attacking.

Can you think of an example where terrorists benefited from terrorism?
  "But what happens when it is not an individual who is caught up in his 
fantasy world, but an entire group - a sect, or a people, or even a nation? 
That such a thing can happen is obvious from a glance at history."
On this point, the author and I are in full agreement. Undoubtedly, for 
opposite reasons, such as the paranoid fear of evil boogeymen living in 
caves, who are trying to "take away our freedom", vs. the reality behind the 
dismantling of the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, and the creation of 
police-state USA to fit this fantasy.


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 wrote in message 
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> On Jul 6, 11:33 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  PUMP GAS YOU SON OF A BITCH, RATHER THAN STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S BOOZE
>
> He drinks?  I was wondering what his problem was. Why
> does he keep posting the same post over and over again?
> He is the resident weirdo and why the Canadian authorities
> haven't confined him in a secure facility is a mystery.
> Did you ever see his photo?  He looks like an aging hippy
> and one who shouldn't be allowed within a mile of
> a school.  What is that "OBC" the moron insists on
> putting after his name?  "Old Boring Codger"?
>
> He never responds to questions, just posts something about
> a shop in Florida.  He's barmy, why on earth did Canada
> let him in!!!
Steps have been taken to put him in his place. Mc Vay is a failed gas 
station atendant, who aparently stole from his employer, and joined NIZKOR, 
whatever that is in order to solicit money from rich Jews to propagate their 
point of view. In Nanaimo he is known as a bum. 




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"mich"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1183794909.793188.180770@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 6, 11:33 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>>  PUMP GAS YOU SON OF A BITCH, RATHER THAN STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S BOOZE
>>
>> He drinks?  I was wondering what his problem was. Why
>> does he keep posting the same post over and over again?
>> He is the resident weirdo and why the Canadian authorities
>> haven't confined him in a secure facility is a mystery.
>> Did you ever see his photo?  He looks like an aging hippy
>> and one who shouldn't be allowed within a mile of
>> a school.  What is that "OBC" the moron insists on
>> putting after his name?  "Old Boring Codger"?
>>
>> He never responds to questions, just posts something about
>> a shop in Florida.  He's barmy, why on earth did Canada
>> let him in!!!
>
>
> How nice, Sewage has a friend.
 The only sewage I know is the long nosed kind! 




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      The Amerikkkan legal system. Part II

      03.07.2007 Source:  URL:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/94442-legal_system-0

      Continued. Read Part I of the article here

      Tragically, this judge's observation came too late to save an unjustly
imprisoned man named Maurice Carter. An African-American from Gary, Indiana,
Carter had the misfortune of visiting Berrien County, Michigan around the
same time a white, off-duty police officer from the City of Benton Harbor
was shot and wounded. Benton Harbor is an island of minorities, primarily
African-Americans, most of whom live in poverty just a few miles away from
the multi-million dollar mansions lining Lake Michigan's shoreline.

      A drug dealer, seeking a reduced sentence, told police a few years
after the shooting that Carter had been involved. Though this dealer later
recanted and was convicted of perjury, Carter still went to trial in front
of an all-white jury. Even though an African-American woman, who observed
the shooter for several minutes when he patronized a local store, had
testified the shooter was not Carter, the jury chose instead to believe
white witnesses whose "identification" was based on fleeting glimpses of the
perpetrator running from the scene.

      Because he maintained his innocence, Carter was consistently denied
parole. Finally, dying of a liver disease brought on by the lack of adequate
medical treatment, attorneys petitioned for his release.

      Despite having served more time for his alleged crime than most guilty
people, a prosecutor still argued that the dying Carter should remain in
prison, while the judge hearing the petition joked about the severity of
Carter's illness. When a reporter asked the prosecutor why, as a person, she
couldn't support Carter's release, she replied, "I didn't come here as a
person."

      Eventually Michigan's governor commuted Carter's sentence, but his
conviction remained on record. He enjoyed only three brief months of freedom
before dying from the disease the State so concerned about the "sanctity of
life" had given him.

      To show how easily the young men in the Duke rape case could have been
convicted, particularly if they were African-Americans, one need only look
at the tragic case of James Waller. Waller served ten years in prison for
sexually assaulting a young boy. The "evidence" against him was his
misfortune to be the only African-American living in the same apartment
complex as the boy, and his even greater misfortune of shopping in the same
convenience store as the victim, who, upon hearing Waller's voice, suddenly
"recognized" him as his attacker. Waller recently became the twelfth person
exonerated through DNA evidence in Dallas County, Texas.

      Of course such a scenario is not unique in Dallas County. Prosecutors
in this county were once instructed about how to "legally" keep
African-Americans off of juries, and there have been more exonerations
because of wrongful convictions (thirteen) in this county than have been
experienced by entire states. Not surprisingly, this county resides in the
same state where former governor George W. Bush originally exposed his
bloodlust and lack of concern for justice by arrogantly proclaiming "no
innocent person had been executed under [his] watch."

      Before continuing this article, it is important to stress that it is
not meant to be a polemic about what legal elements need to be present in
sexual assault cases, but simply an illustration of how ironic it is that
Mike Nifong may have avoided disbarment if he had not tested the DNA
evidence, and/or if the accused were African-American and poor.

      But why do those responsible for the preservation of "law and order"
permit such injustices to occur? The answer is simple: BECAUSE THEY CAN. The
Amerikkkan legal system is designed to protect its own.

      This is why a sleeping Fred Hampton, leader of the Chicago area Black
Panther Party in the late 1960s, could be extralegally executed by police
during a raid on his apartment. This is why former Chicago Police commander
Jon Burge has never faced charges, and continues to draw a police pension,
even though he oversaw the use of torture that sent several innocent men,
primarily minorities, to death row. This is why, in the same region, a
"good-old-boy" jury acquitted prosecutors and police officers who had used
perjured testimony to send two innocent Hispanic men, Rolando Cruz and
Alejandro Hernandez, to Illinois' death row. But the jury was not satisfied
with simply acquitting the defendants; they partied with them afterwards, as
if conspiracy to commit murder was something to celebrate.

      This is why authorities knew they could deny Black Panther Dhoruba Bin
Wahad's request for legal documents during his years of wrongful
imprisonment, simply by telling him such documents "did not exist." This is
why telephone records proving that former Panther Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt was
innocent of the crime he was convicted of "mysteriously disappeared." This
is also why the prosecution in Pratt's case did not hesitate to use the
perjured testimony of an informant. And this is why the courts keep American
Indian Movement (AIM) activist Leonard Peltier imprisoned, despite evidence
that crucial documents were withheld from the defense.

      Some have argued that the solution would be to have more minorities
working in the legal system. Yet such people, once in the system, are often
more detrimental to members of their own race than white prosecutors and
judges.

      A conservative newspaper in Berrien County made this argument in the
Maurice Carter case by proclaiming that several of the officers responsible
for Carter's conviction were African-American. What this paper failed to
acknowledge, however, is when minorities become involved in the law
enforcement/legal system, they often are more concerned about pleasing and
appeasing the white power structure than focusing on truth and justice.

      I have seen cases where African-American attorneys accepted money from
white prosecutors simply to sit by their side when there was an
African-American defendant or the prospect of a mixed race jury. Yet rarely,
if ever, did these attorneys bother to learn the facts of the case, even
though their presence exponentially enhanced the chances of an innocent
African-American going to prison.

      Some of the police officers involved in the Fred Hampton and Mark
Clark murders were African-American; Thurbert Baker, the State of Georgia's
Attorney General, is African-American, and he persists in keeping a
seventeen-year-old African-American man in prison for having consensual sex
with a fifteen-year-old girl, despite a judge's ruling that the young man be
released.

      But even more vile is the self-loathing antics of the Supreme Court's
lone African-American member, Clarence Thomas. Now that Thomas has "gotten
his" through programs designed to remedy racial discrimination, he has
persistently and callously joined with his racist colleagues in destroying
these opportunities for others.

      Meanwhile Condoleezza Rice spews platitudes about human rights and
democracy in oil-rich Iraq, while the very racists she works for turn a
blind eye to the genocide of impoverished Africans in Darfur. And the
Attorney General of the United States, Alberto Gonzales, has repeatedly
demonstrated that he is little more than a lying, torture endorsing, civil
liberties hating thug who is more concerned with his selfish grip on power
than the good of the nation.

      So don't be deceived by the Supreme Court's disingenuous talk of a
constitution that is "color-blind." Its interpretation of that constitution
has resulted in a legal system that exploits racism at every turn, be it
through the disproportionate incarceration of African-Americans, the racial
make-up of juries, prosecutorial decisions about whether to file criminal
charges, and the severity of those charges filed. A white person's
misdemeanor is often an African-American's felony, even though the fact
patterns are identical.

      Today there are people of all races cheering the overturning of Brown,
alleging it will restore "neighborhood" schools and a sense of community.
But the Supreme Court has also ruled there is no constitutional right to an
education, and therefore no right for school districts to demand equal
funding. When poorer school districts eventually discover that this ruling
will make them incapable of purchasing the resources and materials enjoyed
by schools in wealthier neighborhoods, will they still be cheering the de
facto segregation endorsed by four wealthy white men and a self-loathing
African-American whose black robes conceal the white robes and pointed hats
they should really be wearing? If and when this cheering stops, will America
be able to undo the damage these so-called "justices" have done?

      The overturning of Brown will serve as an enduring reminder of the
evils foisted upon America by the Bush dictatorship. This dictatorship
divided the nation, and undermined democracy, by stealing two elections. It
divided the nation again with its lies about the war against Iraq. But it is
its impact on the United States Supreme Court that gives this dictatorship
the power to make evil and divisiveness a permanent fixture throughout the
land, and it has done so by setting America back upon the pathway of once
again becoming "separate and unequal."

      David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru


        © 1999-2006. «PRAVDA.Ru». When reproducing our materials in whole or
in part, hyperlink to PRAVDA.Ru should be made. The opinions and views of
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Washington DC (Map, News) - The U.S. command in Baghdad this week ballyhooed 
the killing of a key al Qaeda leader but later admitted that the military 
had declared him dead a year ago.

A military spokesman acknowledged the mistake after it was called to his 
attention by The Examiner. He said public affairs officers will be more 
careful in announcing significant kills.

The incident shows the eagerness of the command to show progress in 
dismantling al Qaeda at a time when Democrats and some Republicans are 
pressing President Bush to withdraw troops from Iraq. Army Gen. David 
Petraeus, the top U.S. commander, has declared al Qaeda enemy No. 1 in Iraq.

Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner began his Monday news conference with a list of top 
insurgents either killed or captured in recent operations. He said they had 
been eliminated "in the past few weeks" and were "recent results."


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"In the north, Iraqi army and coalition forces continue successful 
operations in Mosul," he told reporters. "Kamal Jalil Uthman, also known as 
Said Hamza, was the al Qaeda in Iraq military emir of Mosul. He planned, 
coordinated and facilitated suicide bombings, and he facilitated the 
movement of more than a hundred foreign fighters through safe houses in the 
area." All told, Bergner devoted 68 words to Uthman's demise.

Uthman was indeed a big kill, and the military featured his death last year 
in a report titled "Tearing Down al Qaeda."

"The more we can bring down al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, the 
greater probability of reducing violence," Army Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, 
the command's chief spokesman said, in 2006.

Uthman was listed in the 2006 news release as "the chief of military 
operations [in] Mosul."

When The Examiner pointed out that Uthman's death had been announced twice, 
a command spokesman said in an e-mail, "You are correct that we did 
previously announce that we killed him. This was a roll up to show an 
overall effort against [al Qaeda in Iraq]. We can probably do a better job 
on saying 'previously announced' when we do long-term roll ups to show an 
overall effort."


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July 7, 2007

Bush learned how to slaughter civilians. In Iraq, US troops, commanded by 
Herr Bush slaughter some 10,000 Iraqi civilians per month. Bush, in an 
absurd neocon spin, will most certainly claim that that is proof that his 
war crime is "winding down". The US slaughter rate in Iraq had been as high 
as 30,000 Iraqis per month, 1,000 per day.

My source is Michael Schwartz, writing for After Downing Street. Welcome to 
the Fourth Reich.

>From the Third Reich, Bush learned how to exploit "terrorism" to consolidate 
his dictatorship. Bush is on the Hitler end of the political spectrum 
opposing the very principles of our founding. Everything Bush knows he got 
by way of his Grandfather's old trading partner --Adolf Hitler, whose 
notorious Lesson Number One he summed up himself in one sentence.

  Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder 
than a fear of sudden death.
  --Adolf Hitler

Bush learned how to rule ruthlessly though he is hated by the people. Hitler 
never got more than 37 percent of the vote in several elections called over 
a short period of time ending with the act of terrorism that Hitler would 
exploit to consolidate his dictatorship. That act was the Reichstag fire, 
Hitler's 911. It's hard to imagine that anyone would dare go back to the 
well given the press "Reichstag" gets. Clearly, the tactic, having proved 
successful for Nazis would be tried again. No one every accused Bush of 
being imaginative. They would simply repeat a tired, old Nazi tactic and 
expect the people to go along. And, for the most part, the people did 
precisely that.

On February 27, 1937, Hitler was having dinner with Nazi propagandist Joseph 
Goebbels when the phone rang to inform the future Fuhrer: "The Reichstag is 
on fire!" At the scene, Hitler and Goebbels, found Hermann Goering, later 
Hitler's air minister, shouting, blaming communists for an act of terrorism.

How Hitler became a dictator is reconted in many sources but William 
Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is still among the very best.
  From Goering's Reichstag President's Palace an underground passage, built 
to carry the central heating system, ran to the Reichstag building. Through 
this tunnel Karl Ernst, a former hotel bellhop who had become the Berlin 
S.A. leader, led a small detachment of storm troopers on the night of 
February 27 to the Reichstag, where they quickly scattered gasoline and 
self-igniting chemicals and then made their way quickly back to the palace 
the way they had come. At the same time a half-witted Dutch Communist with a 
passion for arson, Marinus van der Lubbe, had made his way into the huge, 
darkened and to him unfamiliar building and set some small fires of his own. 
This feeble-minded pyromaniac was a godsend to the Nazis. He had been picked 
up by the S.A. a few days before after having been overheard in a bar 
boasting that he had attempted to set fire to several public buildings and 
that he was going to try the Reichstag next.

  The coincidence that the Nazis had found a demented Communist arsonist who 
was out to do exactly what they themselves had determined to do seems 
incredible but is nevertheless supported by the evidence. The idea for the 
fire almost certainly originated at the top with Goebbels and Goering. Hans 
Gisevius, an official in the Prussian Ministry of the Interior at the time, 
testified at Nuremberg that 'it was Goebbels who first thought of setting 
the Reichstag on fre,' and Rudolph Diels, the Gestapo chief, added in an 
affidavit that 'Goering knew exactly how the fire was to be started' and had 
ordered him 'to prepare, prior to the fire, a list of people who were to be 
arrested immediately after it.' General Franz Halder, Chief of the German 
General Staff during the early part of World War II, recalled at Nurembrg 
how on one occasion Goering had boasted of his deed.
    At a luncheon on the birthday of the Fuehrer in 1942 the conversation 
turned to the topic of the Reichstag building and its artistic value. I 
heard with my own ears when Goering interrupted the conversation and 
shouted: "The only one who really knows about the Reichstag is I, because I 
set it on fire!" With that he slapped his thigh with the flat of his hand.
  The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich (Touchstone Edition, 1990, p. 192-)
Hitler ordered a round up of the usual suspects, in other words, the 
opposition, consisting largely of communists whom the Nazis could, with but 
a shred of credibility, blame for an act of bloody terrorism.

Nazis knew what GOPPERS know now --that frightened and anxious people will 
willingly surrender the blessings of liberty. From Hitler's experience, Bush 
learned how to use a "Patriot Act" to crack down on dissent.

Hitler wasted no time. The very next day, he was in President Hindenburg's 
office urging the aging statesman to issue a patriot act, a decree entitled, 
"For the Protection of the People and the State." Justified as a "defensive 
measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state," the 
decree suspended the constitutional guarantees pertaining to civil 
liberties:

  Patriot Act vs, German Enabling Act:
  The Decrees of 1933

    (a) The February 28 Decree. One of the most repressive acts of the new 
Nazi government, this one allowed for the suspension of civil liberties 
....The president was persuaded that the state was in danger and, hence, 
that the emergency measures embodied in the decree were necessary. Even 
though under Art. 48 of the constitution, the decree would have been 
withdrawn once the so-called emergency had passed, any hope of this 
happening was prevented by the establishment of Hitler's dictatorship 
following the Enabling Act (see below). It was in fact never withdrawn and 
remained until the end as an instrument of Nazi terror against ordinary 
citizens who ran foul of the regime.
    ARTICLE 1. In virtue of paragraph 2, article 48,* of the German 
Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against 
communist acts of violence , endangering the state:

    Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of 
the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on 
personal liberty [114], on the right of free expression of opinion, 
including freedom of the press [118], on the right of assembly and the right 
of association [124], and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, 
and telephonic communications [117], and warrants for house-searches [115], 
orders for confiscation as well as restrictions on property [153], are also 
permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
    *Article 48 of the German Constitution of August 11, 1919: If public 
safety and order in Germany are materially disturbed or endangered, the 
President may take the necessary measures to restore public safety and 
order, and, if necessary, to intervene with the help of the armed forces. To 
this end he may temporarily suspend, in whole or in part, the fundamental 
rights established in Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 
...........

    Patriot Act:

    Section 218 which amends the "probable cause" requirement before 
conducting secret searches or surveillance to obtain evidence of a crime;

    Sections 215, 218, 358, and 508 which permit law enforcement authorities 
to have broad access to sensitive mental health, library, business, 
financial, and educational records despite the existence of previously 
adopted state and federal laws which were intended to strengthen the 
protection of these types of records;


    Sections 411 and 412 which give the Secretary of State broad powers to 
designate domestic groups as "terrorist organizations" and the Attorney 
General power to subject immigrants to indefinite detention or deportation 
even if no crime has been committed; and
    Sections 507 and 508 which impose a mandate on state and local public 
universities who must collect information on students that may be of 
interest to the Attorney General.

Bush learned how to suspend civil liberties after a terrorist attack. It 
must be noted that Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio is the only 
candidate for President calling for a repeal of the Patriot Act. Does that 
tell you what it tells me? Does it mean the Democrats are not up to the 
challenge of restoring American democracy? The question now is one of some 
urgency: is it too late to save our nation? Is it too late to stop Bush? Are 
Americans screwed?

Hitler planned to establish a "permanent" majority of elected Nazis in the 
Reichstag which would become a rubber stamp, passing whatever laws he 
desired while making it all perfectly legal. Buish's lesson: make legal all 
the crimes you want and plan to commit. Hire Alberto Gonzales to be the 
"enabler". Karl Rove, more recently, spoke of creating a "permanent 
Republican majority".

Two weeks after the Reichstag fire, Hitler requested the Reichstag to 
temporarily delegate its powers to him so that he could adequately deal with 
the crisis. Hitler denounced his opposition, shouting at them "Germany will 
be free, but not through you!" Hitler won the vote 441 to 84. It gave him a 
two-thirds majority needed to suspend the constitution. On March 23, 1933, 
the "Enabling Act"--a patriot act -- made Hitler dictator of Germany. It is 
not recorded whether he said, as did Bush much later: this would be a whole 
lot easier if this was a dictatorship ...just as long as I'm the dictator!

Just as Hitler cut a deal with Thyssen, Krupp, I.G. Farben et al, the 
DUMB-umvirate of Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld carved up the map of the Middle East 
with big oil and Halliburton. Just as the Middle East is rich in oil, Poland 
was rich in coal from which synthetic fuels (to drive the Panzers) could be 
produced.

Bush used Hitler's play book. And, as it was then, it's all about energy. 
The esteemed historian John Keegan has written that Hitler might have won 
WWII if he had kept Rommel supplied. Rather than invading Russia, Hitler 
could have ordered Rommel to seize the oil fields of the Middle East. It 
would have all been over. Save for the "insurgency" that would have opposed 
Rommel.

Bush also learned from his grandfather that there is big money -- a killing 
in fact --in the industrial murder business. Our own Treasury Department is 
the source for the following information about how US corporations, 
primarily US Steel, for whom Prescott Bush was banker, helped Hitler arm and 
wage war on the world while carrying out mass murder throughout Europe. US 
steel produced the following percentages of war munitions for Hitler and his 
Nazi war lords: Pig iron 50.8%; Pipe & tubes 45.5%; Universal plate 41.4%; 
Galvanised sheet 38.5%; Heavy plate 36%; Explosives 35%; Wire 22.1%.
  George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a 
director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement 
with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

  The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the 
US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was 
involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

  His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were 
seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 
years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against 
the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of 
pre-election controversy.
  --
  How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

This is the same firm for whom Prescott Bush acted as banker. In effect, 
then, Prescott was Hitler's American banker.

Bush also learned how to outsource murder and atrocity in ways that benefit 
his right wing supporters. It's called "private enterprise" but in reality 
it's a form of socialism, farming out work to partners, robber barons, death 
merchants and hired murderers like Blackwater, a gang of paid thugs whom 
National Public Radio charges has strong connections with America's radical, 
religious, fascist right wing.
  NPR: The war in Iraq has been partly outsourced to private military 
contractors which are performing many of the services that used to be done 
by the military. My guest, Jeremy Scahill, has written a book about one of 
those companies, Blackwater, which he describes as "the world's most 
mercenary army and the embodiment of the Bush administration policy of 
privatizing military functions." The company, which was founded in 1996, 
made headlines in 2004 when four of its men were ambushed and set on fire by 
Sunni gunmen in Fallujah. The charred remains of two of the men were hung on 
a bridge for public display. The families of the four men are suing 
Blackwater for wrongful death, raising a lot of questions about 
accountability and oversight when private contractors play a major role in 
war. Jeremy Scahill is a Polk Award-winning journalist who is a frequent 
contributor to The Nation and a correspondent for the radio and TV show, 
"Democracy Now." Jeremy Scahill -- if you wanted to write about a private 
military contractor, why did you focus on Blackwater?
  --Blackwater: USA in Fallujah

Bush is ideologically allied with Hegel, for whom the "state" is "God". That 
notion opposes every "American" value, including that of truly religious 
folk who find the equation of "God" with the "state" a blasphemous notion. 
And so it is, not merely of religion but of reason.

Bushism is opposite the American ideal espoused by real patriots like Thomas 
Jefferson whom Bush and Dick Cheney would have called derided as 
"pro-French", "helping the terrorists" or other equally stupid nonsense. 
James Madison who wrote the first draft of our Constitution would have been 
demonized "quaint" by idiots like Gen. Hayden and Al Gonzales.

Bush must surely hate our Declaration of Independence because, in it, Thomas 
Jefferson sides with the misnamed "insurgency" that is most certainly 
analogous to Iraqi civilians upon whom the US has waged not a war --but a 
crime punishable by death under our own federal statutes!

It was William Pitt, Earl of Chatham in England who denounced the British 
position in our war of independence. His words ring so very true today, 
words that Bush must surely hate:
  If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was 
landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms -- never! never! never!

  --William Pitt the elder, 1st Earl of Chatham, Viscount Pitt of 
Burton-Pynsent , byname The Great Commoner, 1708-1778
Bush is blinded by raw, ruthless ambition. Like Dick Cheney and the robber 
barons of privilege, they are blind to obvious analogy. America is not 
fighting for freedom against terrorism in Iraq. Rather, the opposite. Bush 
embodies monolithic corporate totalitarianism, the theft of the natural 
resources of a sovereign nation that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do 
with 911. The record clearly proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bush's 
quarrel with Saddam had to do with the fact that Saddam favored lower prices 
for oil while Bush, OPEC, and the Saudis in particular favored higher 
prices.

Bush is not fighting for Americans in Iraq. He is fighting to further enrich 
corporate fascist powers who would enslave you! Bush has more in common with 
Hitler and Stalin than with Madison or Jefferson. Bush is anti-American.

The American republic at the time Thomas Jefferson penned the Declaration of 
Independence was the latest development in a liberal trend that had begun 
with the English Civil War. Certainly, Oliver Cromwell dismissed Parliament 
in a fit of pique; certainly he arrogated unto himself the powers of an 
absolute dictator but stopped short of taking the title. He was, he said, a 
Lord Protector. Charles I was most certainly England's last absolute despot 
in the Hegelian sense of the word. 




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jul 8, 1:13 am, Gentile Mirelle  wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:08 pm, Ken McVay  wrote:
>
> The Nizkor Project depends entirely upon your generous support; there
> are several ways that you can contribute to the Project's continued
> survival and growth:
>
>  Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadan receipt)
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
>
> The Nizkor Project (Hebrew:we will remember) is an ongoing
> **Internet-based project run by Ken McVay*** which is dedicated to
> countering Holocaust denial. **It was founded by McVay*** as a
> central
> Web-based archive for the large numbers of documents made publicly
> available by the users of the newsgroup alt.revisionism.
>
> The site also archives numerous postings made to the newsgroup since
> the early 1990s. It does not archive every single posting ever made
> to
> the newsgroup; rather, the maintainers of the web site have selected
> various messages for display that are seen as presenting factual
> information about the Holocaust; or, in the case of some posters,
> about the authors of the messages themselves. In addition to
> providing
> an extensive archive of documents regarding the Holocaust, the Nizkor
> Project also seeks to expose the activities of Holocaust deniers
> themselves.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizkor_Project
>
> Mirelle

Mc Vay does it only for money. I sort of do not blame him, after all
somebody has to buy his booze, I am glad that it is not me and you
buying it!



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On Jul 8, 2:46 am, Protagonist  wrote:
> It's been obvious to me a long time, reason McVay spending his time and
> posting here every day (even if only by script), to bait people for
> responds.
> He may collect names, emails, info on people, what ever reason.
> Maybe sell it to some Jewish watch groups.
> Nice going McVay!
> JS

He must have made lots of bucks on my name I bet he soldf it hundred
times!
>
> Gentile Mirelle wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 9:08 pm, Ken McVay  wrote:
>
> > The Nizkor Project depends entirely upon your generous support; there
> > are several ways that you can contribute to the Project's continued
> > survival and growth:
>
> >  Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadan receipt)
>
> >http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
>
> > The Nizkor Project (Hebrew:we will remember) is an ongoing
> > **Internet-based project run by Ken McVay*** which is dedicated to
> > countering Holocaust denial. **It was founded by McVay*** as a
> > central
> > Web-based archive for the large numbers of documents made publicly
> > available by the users of the newsgroup alt.revisionism.
>
> > The site also archives numerous postings made to the newsgroup since
> > the early 1990s. It does not archive every single posting ever made
> > to
> > the newsgroup; rather, the maintainers of the web site have selected
> > various messages for display that are seen as presenting factual
> > information about the Holocaust; or, in the case of some posters,
> > about the authors of the messages themselves. In addition to
> > providing
> > an extensive archive of documents regarding the Holocaust, the Nizkor
> > Project also seeks to expose the activities of Holocaust deniers
> > themselves.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizkor_Project
>
> > Mirelle




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On Jul 8, 12:38 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1183830660.814432.145160@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jul 7, 1:06 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > > > Joe, are you still there? I'm done. Thanks for listening.
>
> > > > Jennifer
> > > > Los Angeles<
>
> > > The best amd safest place for Muslim Arabs is in Arabia,
>
> > SO LOMG AS THE LONG NOSED, PERVERTED SCUM LIKE YOU LEAVE IT ALONE!<
>
> I PROMISE you, on my word of honor, and on the Torah, and unto the true God
> of Israel, that if you muzzies go back to your Arabian homeland, and leave

THE ONLY HOMELAND JEW HAS IS IN ARABIA, SO YOU BETTER BEHAVE LONG
NOSED BEAST!



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On Jul 8, 2:51 am, explain_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:32 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Readers:
>
> > I received this email today from a person who fully sees through the
> > mass hallucination under which we all live and/or suffer. I have
> > nothing to add. This letter speaks more eloquently on the subject than
> > I ever could.
>
> > Joe Bageant
>
> > Joe,
>
> > Grab a six-pack and sit in the comfortable chair. I'm so pissed. It's
> > not you I'm mad at, it's the hologram you're always writing about,
> > that imaginary world created by the media that controls our actions
> > and directs our thoughts. I usually ignore the hologram by rarely
> > turning on the television and only reading news on websites that
> > attempt to be reasonable. But though I know the hologram is all lies,
> > I need to go to it now because I know the people being lied about and
> > there is no other source of information.
>
> > My husband is Palestinian and I lived in Jordan in 1995-96. This week
> > I heard that two kids from the high school where I taught there (a
> > school for gifted students funded by Queen Noor) are in jail in
> > England for those (I snort and sneer and roll my eyes) "failed terror
> > attacks" last week. And they didn't do anything, Joe. They are a young
> > couple with a baby son, and everyone who knows or ever knew them
> > agrees they could never harm another human being.
>
> > But it's not only that. It's that there is no evidence at all. Just
> > none. The British government hasn't even tried to make a case or
> > suggest a motive.
>
> > That's where the hologram comes in. I always understood what you meant
> > by the term, but I didn't appreciate all of its aspects until now.
> > It's a hologram because you see it, but it isn't real. You see police
> > cars surrounded the car of a "terror suspect" and are told he led the
> > police on a chase.
>
> > When you learn he is a neurosurgeon whose wife and baby were in the
> > car with him, you might think he probably just pulled over when the
> > police seemed to want him to, but only if you were still capable of
> > using your own brain.
>
> > After all, his name is Mohammed and his wife wears a headscarf, and
> > the hologram has already shown us over and over what comes of that
> > sort of thing. So maybe you'll just ignore what your brain was trying
> > to say - that neurosurgeons have a lot invested in their careers and
> > no time for hobbies like blowing stuff up, and young mothers are
> > fiercely protective of their babies, and therefore avoid hazardous
> > things like having their husbands become terrorists and getting in car
> > chases with the police.
>
> > The hologram analogy also works in the way the media are so hard to
> > ignore. Even when you make a point of ignoring them, they are always
> > there, flickering around the edges, burning impressions you can't
> > quite get rid of. When my sister-in-law (head of the English
> > department at their high school back then, an English literature
> > professor in a university now) first emailed me the news story, I
> > thought, "How ridiculous to think of Marwa or Mohammed involved in
> > this!" After a few days of staring into the hologram searching for
> > information, I had to ask "Do I really know what I know? Or could the
> > hologram be right?" Not that there was any evidence offered. There was
> > just a bunch of comments by neighbors about his beard and her "burqa"
> > and the mailman saying they usually didn't get lots of packages, but
> > then for a while they got some packages.
>
> > My common sense said, "Ooh, spooky stuff. Maybe even baby clothes."
> > But it was all so tidy and comfortable in that TV/mainstream news site
> > world. I almost wanted to be lulled into stupidly fearing the bad
> > doctor and his mysterious wife, but my memories of the actual Marwa
> > and Mohammed kept getting in the way. It would have been like an
> > episode of "24" if only the nice young doctor could go ahead and turn
> > into a mad bomber in my imagination. But because I once knew him, he
> > just kept turning back into a really sweet, polite 15-year-old who was
> > always clowning with his friends. I specifically remember thinking
> > they were like a pile of puppies, and that memory shuts down the
> > hologram for a bit until it blinks back on after a while. And Marwa,
> > who I remember even more clearly, was such an intelligent, kind,
> > delightful person that her sweetness makes me cry every time I see it
> > radiating from a picture of her on the television or computer screen.
>
> > Why can't everyone else see it?
>
> > Meanwhile, though no evidence of guilt has been offered, the holo-
> > discussion zooms ahead. How do we keep these monsters out?
>
> > Most commentators recommend increasing security and letting fewer
> > aliens in, but even the well-meaning ones, who say, "They hate us
> > because we've done awful things" are missing something. "They" may or
> > may not hate "us", but no case has been made that "they" did anything
> > about it, at least not in this instance. And the British have an
> > embarrassing record of arresting totally innocent people in cases like
> > these.
>
> > The facts known about Mohammed Asha and his wife, Marwa Da'ana, are
> > entirely positive. Well-educated, hard-working, etc. The ugly things
> > said about them are not facts, nor are they backed up by facts. A
> > young couple has been separated from each other and from their son,
> > imprisoned without charges in a foreign country far from their friends
> > and relatives.
>
> > How do you think the people close to them feel? No one has heard
> > anything of them. And already, now that their carefully constructed
> > future has been smashed, that hologram has shut down and everyone
> > turns to the others flickering on elsewhere.
>
> > Joe, are you still there? I'm done. Thanks for listening.
>
> > Jennifer
> > Los Angeles
>
> >http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2007/07/lies-about-fail.html
>
> > Also read:
>
> >http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=130a65d3-179d-4cb1-b...
>
> Dear Muslims,
>
> A Muslim with the nick We are Muslims, and are extremely
> proud of it (The Truth is YOU, MUSLIMS, CAN ONLY BE
> EXTREMELY PROUD if you, Muslims, read the Quran well
> enough to answer the questions TRUTHFULLY asked by
> Christians WHO PRAY TO THE TRUE Allah otherwise you,
> Muslims are just humbugs!) wrote on July 8, 7:58 am:
> "Signs of Allah's existence.
> Tell me about this nature....."
>
> Debunking the falsehood of Islam by verifying the saying
> of Mohammed, the false prophet:
> Signs of Allah's-Almighty God of Jesus- existence is Truth,
> but the signs of lying of Mohammed is also Truth.
> Read the following for verification of the sayings of Mohammed:
> On Jul 7 07 "Lucas J. Riesau"  wrote:
> " I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
> World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
>  is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
>  just an urban legend.
> So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
> urban legends???
>
> Dear all,
> One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means
> that the Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack
> understanding because the Muslims do not read the Quran
> TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the falsehood of Islam.
> If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah
> calls Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed
> did not have the 4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings
> of Mohammed as TRUE.
> Only the Islamists(ISLAM CLERICS,ISLAMIC STUDENTS)
> know that they are allowed to speak lies when propagating
> Islam under Islamic tenet known as Taqiya which is lying
> allowed by Islam to its believers when propagating Islam.
>
> Hence, it explains why to all Islamists have been posting lie
> after lie; for lying is not a sin if Muslims believe they are
> propagating Islam!
>
> Now comes the question every Muslims must KNOW
> the answer:
> "If lying is allowed in Islam, how TRUE is Islam?"
>
> Muslims must be educated of the falsehood of Islam:
> Allah is true, but Mohammed is not; for Mohammed was
> a false prophet who lied because he, Mohammed, did not
> have the 4 eye-witnesses requried under sura 24:13
> to substantiate his sayings as true!
>
> Compare it with the lies of Hitler, a son of a Jew born out
> of wedlock and kicked out of Jewry. Denied by his people,
> it thus explains Hitler's desire for the Aryan race, and
> his hatred for his own people, the Jews, whom he killed
> over 6 millions when his hatred turned into wickedness.
>
> Hitler lied that he was a German when he was not, and
> he lied over and over again that he was winning the battles
> of the war when he was losing.
> Only when allied air forces bombed the daylight out of
> Germany did the Germans then realized Hitler had lied
> about the outcome of the war!
>
> Hence, it explains why Muslims continue to deny the
> truth of the Holocaust. Exercising TAQIYA, Muslims
> continue to lie that Holocaust did not happen without
> qualm!
>
> Muslims must be wise by praying to the True Allah, and
> not reciting prayer; FOR PRAYING IS TALKING TO ALLAH
> AND ALLAH TALKS BACK TO YOU, but recitation of
> prayer is only talking to Allah and Allah never talk back
> to you, Muslims.
> Amen.

There is only one God, for all mankind, som call Him Allah,some call
him Bog, some call him Gott

When you get that through your thick stupid head come back and discuss
your idiocy!



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      The Road Home



      Published: July 8, 2007
      It is time for the United States to leave Iraq, without any more delay 
than the Pentagon needs to organize an orderly exit.

      .

      Like many Americans, we have put off that conclusion, waiting for a 
sign that President Bush was seriously trying to dig the United States out 
of the disaster he created by invading Iraq without sufficient cause, in the 
face of global opposition, and without a plan to stabilize the country 
afterward.

      At first, we believed that after destroying Iraq's government, army, 
police and economic structures, the United States was obliged to try to 
accomplish some of the goals Mr. Bush claimed to be pursuing, chiefly 
building a stable, unified Iraq. When it became clear that the president had 
neither the vision nor the means to do that, we argued against setting a 
withdrawal date while there was still some chance to mitigate the chaos that 
would most likely follow.

      While Mr. Bush scorns deadlines, he kept promising breakthroughs - 
after elections, after a constitution, after sending in thousands more 
troops. But those milestones came and went without any progress toward a 
stable, democratic Iraq or a path for withdrawal. It is frighteningly clear 
that Mr. Bush's plan is to stay the course as long as he is president and 
dump the mess on his successor. Whatever his cause was, it is lost.

      The political leaders Washington has backed are incapable of putting 
national interests ahead of sectarian score settling. The security forces 
Washington has trained behave more like partisan militias. Additional 
military forces poured into the Baghdad region have failed to change 
anything.

      Continuing to sacrifice the lives and limbs of American soldiers is 
wrong. The war is sapping the strength of the nation's alliances and its 
military forces. It is a dangerous diversion from the life-and-death 
struggle against terrorists. It is an increasing burden on American 
taxpayers, and it is a betrayal of a world that needs the wise application 
of American power and principles.

      A majority of Americans reached these conclusions months ago. Even in 
politically polarized Washington, positions on the war no longer divide 
entirely on party lines. When Congress returns this week, extricating 
American troops from the war should be at the top of its agenda.

      That conversation must be candid and focused. Americans must be clear 
that Iraq, and the region around it, could be even bloodier and more chaotic 
after Americans leave. There could be reprisals against those who worked 
with American forces, further ethnic cleansing, even genocide. Potentially 
destabilizing refugee flows could hit Jordan and Syria. Iran and Turkey 
could be tempted to make power grabs. Perhaps most important, the invasion 
has created a new stronghold from which terrorist activity could 
proliferate.

      The administration, the Democratic-controlled Congress, the United 
Nations and America's allies must try to mitigate those outcomes - and they 
may fail. But Americans must be equally honest about the fact that keeping 
troops in Iraq will only make things worse. The nation needs a serious 
discussion, now, about how to accomplish a withdrawal and meet some of the 
big challenges that will arise.

      The Mechanics of Withdrawal

      The United States has about 160,000 troops and millions of tons of 
military gear inside Iraq. Getting that force out safely will be a 
formidable challenge. The main road south to Kuwait is notoriously 
vulnerable to roadside bomb attacks. Soldiers, weapons and vehicles will 
need to be deployed to secure bases while airlift and sealift operations are 
organized. Withdrawal routes will have to be guarded. The exit must be 
everything the invasion was not: based on reality and backed by adequate 
resources.

      The United States should explore using Kurdish territory in the north 
of Iraq as a secure staging area. Being able to use bases and ports in 
Turkey would also make withdrawal faster and safer. Turkey has been an 
inconsistent ally in this war, but like other nations, it should realize 
that shouldering part of the burden of the aftermath is in its own interest.

      Accomplishing all of this in less than six months is probably 
unrealistic. The political decision should be made, and the target date set, 
now.

      The Fight Against Terrorists

      Despite President Bush's repeated claims, Al Qaeda had no significant 
foothold in Iraq before the invasion, which gave it new base camps, new 
recruits and new prestige.

      This war diverted Pentagon resources from Afghanistan, where the 
military had a real chance to hunt down Al Qaeda's leaders. It alienated 
essential allies in the war against terrorism. It drained the strength and 
readiness of American troops.

      And it created a new front where the United States will have to 
continue to battle terrorist forces and enlist local allies who reject the 
idea of an Iraq hijacked by international terrorists. The military will need 
resources and bases to stanch this self- inflicted wound for the foreseeable 
future.

      The Question of Bases

      The United States could strike an agreement with the Kurds to create 
those bases in northeastern Iraq. Or, the Pentagon could use its bases in 
countries like Kuwait and Qatar, and its large naval presence in the Persian 
Gulf, as staging points.

      There are arguments for, and against, both options. Leaving troops in 
Iraq might make it too easy - and too tempting - to get drawn back into the 
civil war and confirm suspicions that Washington's real goal was to secure 
permanent bases in Iraq. Mounting attacks from other countries could 
endanger those nations' governments.

      The White House should make this choice after consultation with 
Congress and the other countries in the region, whose opinions the Bush 
administration has essentially ignored. The bottom line: the Pentagon needs 
enough force to stage effective raids and airstrikes against terrorist 
forces in Iraq, but not enough to resume large-scale combat.

      The Civil War

      One of Mr. Bush's arguments against withdrawal is that it would lead 
to civil war. That war is raging, right now, and it may take years to burn 
out. Iraq may fragment into separate Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite republics, 
and American troops are not going to stop that from happening.

      It is possible, we suppose, that announcing a firm withdrawal date 
might finally focus Iraq's political leaders and neighboring governments on 
reality. Ideally, it could spur Iraqi politicians to take the steps toward 
national reconciliation that they have endlessly discussed but refused to 
act on.

      But it is foolish to count on that, as some Democratic proponents of 
withdrawal have done. The administration should use whatever leverage it 
gains from withdrawing to press its allies and Iraq's neighbors to help 
achieve a negotiated solution.

      Iraq's leaders - knowing that they can no longer rely on the Americans 
to guarantee their survival - might be more open to compromise, perhaps to a 
Bosnian-style partition, with economic resources fairly shared but with 
millions of Iraqis forced to relocate. That would be better than the 
slow-motion ethnic and religious cleansing that has contributed to driving 
one in seven Iraqis from their homes.

      The United States military cannot solve the problem. Congress and the 
White House must lead an international attempt at a negotiated outcome. To 
start, Washington must turn to the United Nations, which Mr. Bush spurned 
and ridiculed as a preface to war.

      The Human Crisis

      There are already nearly two million Iraqi refugees, mostly in Syria 
and Jordan, and nearly two million more Iraqis who have been displaced 
within their country. Without the active cooperation of all six countries 
bordering Iraq - Turkey, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria - and 
the help of other nations, this disaster could get worse. Beyond the 
suffering, massive flows of refugees - some with ethnic and political 
resentments - could spread Iraq's conflict far beyond Iraq's borders.

      Kuwait and Saudi Arabia must share the burden of hosting refugees. 
Jordan and Syria, now nearly overwhelmed with refugees, need more 
international help. That, of course, means money. The nations of Europe and 
Asia have a stake and should contribute. The United States will have to pay 
a large share of the costs, but should also lead international efforts, 
perhaps a donors' conference, to raise money for the refugee crisis.

      Washington also has to mend fences with allies. There are new 
governments in Britain, France and Germany that did not participate in the 
fight over starting this war and are eager to get beyond it. But that will 
still require a measure of humility and a commitment to multilateral action 
that this administration has never shown. And, however angry they were with 
President Bush for creating this mess, those nations should see that they 
cannot walk away from the consequences. To put it baldly, terrorism and oil 
make it impossible to ignore.

      The United States has the greatest responsibilities, including the 
admission of many more refugees for permanent resettlement. The most 
compelling obligation is to the tens of thousands of Iraqis of courage and 
good will - translators, embassy employees, reconstruction workers - whose 
lives will be in danger because they believed the promises and cooperated 
with the Americans.

      The Neighbors

      One of the trickiest tasks will be avoiding excessive meddling in Iraq 
by its neighbors - America's friends as well as its adversaries.

      Just as Iran should come under international pressure to allow Shiites 
in southern Iraq to develop their own independent future, Washington must 
help persuade Sunni powers like Syria not to intervene on behalf of Sunni 
Iraqis. Turkey must be kept from sending troops into Kurdish territories.

      For this effort to have any remote chance, Mr. Bush must drop his 
resistance to talking with both Iran and Syria. Britain, France, Russia, 
China and other nations with influence have a responsibility to help. Civil 
war in Iraq is a threat to everyone, especially if it spills across Iraq's 
borders.


      President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have used demagoguery 
and fear to quell Americans' demands for an end to this war. They say 
withdrawing will create bloodshed and chaos and encourage terrorists. 
Actually, all of that has already happened - the result of this unnecessary 
invasion and the incompetent management of this war.

      This country faces a choice. We can go on allowing Mr. Bush to drag 
out this war without end or purpose. Or we can insist that American troops 
are withdrawn as quickly and safely as we can manage - with as much effort 
as possible to stop the chaos from spreading.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/opinion/08sun1.html?pagewanted=2&_r=3&hp





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All muslims are decent folk, some good  some bad some in between, just like 
any other faith. For a muslim to apreciate a home surrounded by 28 foot 
walls would be tantamount with madness!
If Jews need 28 foot walls to protect them from their neighbours they 
deserve neither country nor neighbors.

"torresdD"  wrote in message 
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By Naomi Wolf, Chelsea Green Publishing. Posted April 28, 2007.


http://www.alternet.org/story/51150/

There are some things common to every state that's made the transition to 
fascism. Author Naomi Wolf argues that all of them are present in America 
today.

For you Americans too busy, or lazy, to read the entire article - it is 
quite long - I've listed Wolf's excellent list of the 10 Steps to Fascism 
below. Think about them, and about how some or all have affected you or 
someone you know. Maybe print them out and carry them around with you; 
discuss them with people, send them to those of the 'rightie' persuasion who 
might be wavering. This is something easy to do, and very important!

1. Invoke a terrible internal or external enemy (fear)
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizen's groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law


Editor's note: This is adapted from Wolf's forthcoming book "The End of 
America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot."

Last autumn, there was a military coup in Thailand. The leaders of the coup 
took a number of steps, rather systematically, as if they had a shopping 
list. In a sense, they did. Within a matter of days, democracy had been 
closed down - the coup leaders declared martial law, sent armed soldiers 
into residential areas, took over radio and TV stations, issued restrictions 
on the press, tightened some limits on travel and took certain activists 
into custody.

They were not figuring these things out as they went along. If you look at 
history, you can see that there is essentially a blueprint for turning an 
open society into a dictatorship. That blueprint has been used again and 
again in more and less bloody, more and less terrifying ways. But it is 
always effective. It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a 
democracy, but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You 
simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to 
look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated in the United 
States by the Bush administration.

Because Americans like me were born in freedom, we have a hard time even 
considering that it is possible for us to become as unfree, domestically, as 
many other nations. Because we no longer learn much about our rights or our 
system of government - the task of being aware of the Constitution has been 
outsourced from citizens to professionals such as lawyers and professors - 
we scarcely recognise the checks and balances that the founders put in 
place, even as they are being systematically dismantled. Because we don't 
learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of 
"homeland" security - remember who else was keen on the word "homeland"? - 
didn't raise the alarm bells it might have.

It is my argument that, beneath our very noses, George Bush and his 
administration are using time-tested tactics to close down an open society. 
It is time for us to be willing to think the unthinkable - as the author and 
political journalist Joe Conason has put it - that it can happen here. And 
that we are further along than we realize.

Conason eloquently warned of the danger of American authoritarianism. I am 
arguing that we need also to look at the lessons of European and other kinds 
of fascism to understand the potential seriousness of the events we see 
unfolding in the United States.


1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.

After we were hit on Sept. 11 2001, we were in a state of national shock. 
Less than six weeks later, on Oct. 26, 2001, the USA Patriot Act was passed 
by a Congress that had little chance to debate it; many said that they 
scarcely had time to read it. We were told we were now on a "war footing"; 
we were in a "global war" against a "global caliphate" intending to "wipe 
out civilization." There have been other times of crisis in which the United 
States accepted limits on civil liberties, such as during the Civil War, 
when Lincoln declared martial law, and the Second World War, when thousands 
of Japanese-American citizens were interned. But this situation, as Bruce 
Fein of the American Freedom Agenda notes, is unprecedented: All our other 
wars had an endpoint, so the pendulum was able to swing back toward freedom; 
this war is defined as open-ended in time and without national boundaries in 
space - the globe itself is the battlefield. "This time," Fein says, "there 
will be no defined end."

Creating a terrifying threat - hydralike, secretive, evil - is an old trick. 
It can, like Hitler's invocation of a communist threat to the nation's 
security, be based on actual events (one Wisconsin academic has faced calls 
for his dismissal because he noted, among other things, that the alleged 
communist arson, the Reichstag fire of February 1933, was swiftly followed 
in Nazi Germany by passage of the Enabling Act, which replaced 
constitutional law with an open-ended state of emergency). Or the terrifying 
threat can be based, like the National Socialist evocation of the "global 
conspiracy of world Jewry", on myth.

It is not that global Islamist terrorism is not a severe danger; of course 
it is. I am arguing rather that the language used to convey the nature of 
the threat is different in a country such as Spain, which has also suffered 
violent terrorist attacks, than it is in America. Spanish citizens know that 
they face a grave security threat; what we as American citizens believe is 
that we are potentially threatened with the end of civilization as we know 
it. Of course, this makes us more willing to accept restrictions on our 
freedoms.

2. Create a gulag.

Once you have got everyone scared, the next step is to create a prison 
system outside the rule of law (as Bush put it, he wanted the American 
detention centre at Guantánamo Bay to be situated in legal "outer space") - 
where torture can take place.

At first, the people who are sent there are seen by citizens as outsiders: 
troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or "criminals." Initially, 
citizens tend to support the secret prison system; it makes them feel safer, 
and they do not identify with the prisoners. But soon enough, civil society 
leaders - opposition members, labor activists, clergy and journalists - are 
arrested and sent there as well.

This process took place in fascist shifts or anti-democracy crackdowns 
ranging from Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the Latin American 
coups of the 1970s and beyond. It is standard practice for closing down an 
open society or crushing a pro-democracy uprising.

With its jails in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, of course, Guantánamo in Cuba, 
where detainees are abused and kept indefinitely without trial and without 
access to the due process of the law, America certainly has its gulag now. 
Bush and his allies in Congress recently announced they would issue no 
information about the secret CIA "black site" prisons throughout the world, 
which are used to incarcerate people who have been seized off the street.

Gulags in history tend to metastasize, becoming ever larger and more 
secretive, ever more deadly and formalized. We know from firsthand accounts, 
photographs, videos and government documents that people, innocent and 
guilty, have been tortured in the U.S.-run prisons we are aware of and those 
we can't investigate adequately.

But Americans still assume this system and detainee abuses involve only 
scary brown people with whom they don't generally identify. It was brave of 
the conservative pundit William Safire to quote the anti-Nazi pastor Martin 
Niemöller, who had been seized as a political prisoner: "First they came for 
the Jews." Most Americans don't understand yet that the destruction of the 
rule of law at Guantánamo set a dangerous precedent for them, too.

By the way, the establishment of military tribunals that deny prisoners due 
process tends to come early on in a fascist shift. Mussolini and Stalin set 
up such tribunals. On April 24, 1934, the Nazis, too, set up the People's 
Court, which also bypassed the judicial system: Prisoners were held 
indefinitely, often in isolation, and tortured, without being charged with 
offences, and were subjected to show trials. Eventually, the Special Courts 
became a parallel system that put pressure on the regular courts to abandon 
the rule of law in favor of Nazi ideology when making decisions.

3. Develop a thug caste.

When leaders who seek what I call a "fascist shift" want to close down an 
open society, they send paramilitary groups of scary young men out to 
terrorize citizens. The Blackshirts roamed the Italian countryside beating 
up communists; the Brownshirts staged violent rallies throughout Germany. 
This paramilitary force is especially important in a democracy: You need 
citizens to fear thug violence, and so you need thugs who are free from 
prosecution.

The years following 9/11 have proved a bonanza for America's security 
contractors, with the Bush administration outsourcing areas of work that 
traditionally fell to the U.S. military. In the process, contracts worth 
hundreds of millions of dollars have been issued for security work by 
mercenaries at home and abroad. In Iraq, some of these contract operatives 
have been accused of involvement in torturing prisoners, harassing 
journalists and firing on Iraqi civilians. Under Order 17, issued to 
regulate contractors in Iraq by the one-time U.S. administrator in Baghdad, 
Paul Bremer, these contractors are immune from prosecution.

Yes, but that is in Iraq, you could argue; however, after Hurricane Katrina, 
the Department of Homeland Security hired and deployed hundreds of armed 
private security guards in New Orleans. The investigative journalist Jeremy 
Scahill interviewed one unnamed guard who reported having fired on unarmed 
civilians in the city. It was a natural disaster that underlay that episode, 
but the administration's endless war on terror means ongoing scope for what 
are in effect privately contracted armies to take on crisis and emergency 
management at home, in U.S. cities.

Thugs in America? Groups of angry young Republican men, dressed in identical 
shirts and trousers, menaced poll workers counting the votes in Florida in 
2000. If you are reading history, you can imagine that there can be a need 
for "public order" on the next election day. Say there are protests, or a 
threat, on the day of an election; history would not rule out the presence 
of a private security firm at a polling station "to restore public order."

4. Set up an internal surveillance system.

In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in 
communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary 
people and encourage neighbors to spy on neighbors. The Stasi needed to keep 
only a minority of East Germans under surveillance to convince a majority 
that they themselves were being watched.

In 2005 and 2006, when James Risen and Eric Lichtblau wrote in the New York 
Times about a secret state program to wiretap citizens' phones, read their 
emails and follow international financial transactions, it became clear to 
ordinary Americans that they, too, could be under state scrutiny.

In closed societies, this surveillance is cast as being about "national 
security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their 
activism and dissent.

5. Harass citizens' groups.

The fifth thing you do is related to step four - you infiltrate and harass 
citizens' groups. It can be trivial: a church in Pasadena, whose minister 
preached that Jesus was in favor of peace, found itself being investigated 
by the Internal Revenue Service, while churches that got Republicans out to 
vote, which is equally illegal under U.S. tax law, have been left alone.

Other harassment is more serious: The American Civil Liberties Union reports 
that thousands of ordinary American anti-war, environmental and other groups 
have been infiltrated by agents, and a secret Pentagon database includes 
more than four dozen peaceful anti-war meetings, rallies or marches by 
American citizens in its category of 1,500 "suspicious incidents." The 
equally secret Counterintelligence Field Activity (Cifa) agency of the 
Department of Defense has been gathering information about domestic 
organizations engaged in peaceful political activities: Cifa is supposed to 
track "potential terrorist threats" as it watches ordinary U.S. citizen 
activists. A little-noticed new law has redefined activism such as animal 
rights protests as "terrorism." So the definition of "terrorist" slowly 
expands to include the opposition.

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.

This scares people. It is a kind of cat-and-mouse game. Nicholas D. Kristof 
and Sheryl WuDunn, the investigative reporters who wrote "China Wakes: the 
Struggle for the Soul of a Rising Power," describe pro-democracy activists 
in China, such as Wei Jingsheng, being arrested and released many times. In 
a closing or closed society there is a "list" of dissidents and opposition 
leaders: You are targeted in this way once you are on the list, and it is 
hard to get off the list.

In 2004, America's Transportation Security Administration confirmed that it 
had a list of passengers who were targeted for security searches or worse if 
they tried to fly. People who have found themselves on the list? Two 
middle-aged women peace activists in San Francisco, liberal Sen. Edward 
Kennedy, a member of Venezuela's government (after Venezuela's president had 
criticized Bush), and thousands of ordinary U.S. citizens.

Professor Walter F. Murphy is emeritus of Princeton University; he is one of 
the foremost constitutional scholars in the nation and author of the classic 
"Constitutional Democracy." Murphy is also a decorated former Marine, and he 
is not even especially politically liberal. But on March 1 this year, he was 
denied a boarding pass at Newark, "because I was on the Terrorist Watch 
list," he said.

"Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying 
because of that," asked the airline employee.

"I explained," said Murphy, "that I had not so marched but had, in September 
2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the Web, highly 
critical of George Bush for his many violations of the Constitution."

"That'll do it," the man said.

Anti-war marcher? Potential terrorist. Support the Constitution? Potential 
terrorist. History shows that the categories of "enemy of the people" tend 
to expand ever deeper into civil life.

James Yee, a U.S. citizen, was the Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo who was 
accused of mishandling classified documents. He was harassed by the U.S. 
military before the charges against him were dropped. Yee has been detained 
and released several times. He is still of interest.

Brandon Mayfield, a U.S. citizen and lawyer in Oregon, was mistakenly 
identified as a possible terrorist. His house was secretly broken into and 
his computer seized. Though he is innocent of the accusation against him, he 
is still on the list.

It is a standard practice of fascist societies that, once you are on the 
list, you can't get off.

7. Target key individuals.

Threaten civil servants, artists and academics with job loss if they don't 
toe the line. Mussolini went after the rectors of state universities who did 
not conform to the fascist line; so did Joseph Goebbels, who purged 
academics who were not pro-Nazi; so did Chile's Augusto Pinochet; so does 
the Chinese communist Politburo in punishing pro-democracy students and 
professors.

Academe is a tinderbox of activism, so those seeking a fascist shift punish 
academics and students with professional loss if they do not "coordinate," 
in Goebbels' term, ideologically. Since civil servants are the sector of 
society most vulnerable to being fired by a given regime, they are also a 
group that fascists typically "coordinate" early on: the Reich Law for the 
Re-establishment of a Professional Civil Service was passed on April 7, 
1933.

Bush supporters in state legislatures in several states put pressure on 
regents at state universities to penalize or fire academics who have been 
critical of the administration. As for civil servants, the Bush 
administration has derailed the career of one military lawyer who spoke up 
for fair trials for detainees, while an administration official publicly 
intimidated the law firms that represent detainees pro bono by threatening 
to call for their major corporate clients to boycott them.

Elsewhere, a CIA contract worker who said in a closed blog that 
"waterboarding is torture" was stripped of the security clearance she needed 
in order to do her job.

Most recently, the administration purged eight U.S. attorneys for what looks 
like insufficient political loyalty. When Goebbels purged the civil service 
in April 1933, attorneys were "coordinated" too, a step that eased the way 
of the increasingly brutal laws to follow.

8. Control the press.

Italy in the 1920s, Germany in the '30s, East Germany in the '50s, 
Czechoslovakia in the '60s, the Latin American dictatorships in the '70s, 
China in the '80s and '90s - all dictatorships and would-be dictators target 
newspapers and journalists. They threaten and harass them in more open 
societies that they are seeking to close, and they arrest them and worse in 
societies that have been closed already.

The Committee to Protect Journalists says arrests of U.S. journalists are at 
an all-time high: Josh Wolf (no relation), a blogger in San Francisco, has 
been put in jail for a year for refusing to turn over video of an anti-war 
demonstration; Homeland Security brought a criminal complaint against 
reporter Greg Palast, claiming he threatened "critical infrastructure" when 
he and a TV producer were filming victims of Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana. 
Palast had written a bestseller critical of the Bush administration.

Other reporters and writers have been punished in other ways. Joseph C. 
Wilson accused Bush in a New York Times op-ed of leading the country to war 
on the basis of a false charge that Saddam Hussein had acquired yellowcake 
uranium in Niger. His wife, Valerie Plame, was outed as a CIA spy, a form of 
retaliation that ended her career.

Prosecution and job loss are nothing, though, compared with how the United 
States is treating journalists seeking to cover the conflict in Iraq in an 
unbiased way. The Committee to Protect Journalists has documented multiple 
accounts of the U.S. military in Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire 
upon unembedded (meaning independent) reporters and camera operators from 
organizations ranging from al-Jazeera to the BBC. While Westerners may 
question the accounts by al-Jazeera, they should pay attention to the 
accounts of reporters such as the BBC's Kate Adie. In some cases reporters 
have been wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS 
and the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the U.S. 
military and taken to violent prisons; the news organizations were unable to 
see the evidence against their staffers.

Over time in closing societies, real news is supplanted by fake news and 
false documents. Pinochet showed Chilean citizens falsified documents to 
back up his claim that terrorists had been about to attack the nation. The 
yellowcake charge, too, was based on forged papers.

You won't have a shutdown of news in modern America - it is not possible. 
But you can have, as Frank Rich and Sidney Blumenthal have pointed out, a 
steady stream of lies polluting the news well. What you already have is a 
White House directing a stream of false information that is so relentless 
that it is increasingly hard to sort out truth from untruth. In a fascist 
system, it's not the lies that count but the muddying. When citizens can't 
tell real news from fake, they give up their demands for accountability bit 
by bit.

9. Dissent equals treason.

Cast dissent as "treason" and criticism as "espionage." Every closing 
society does this, just as it elaborates laws that increasingly criminalize 
certain kinds of speech and expand the definition of "spy" and "traitor." 
When Bill Keller, the publisher of the New York Times, ran the 
Lichtblau/Risen stories, Bush called the Times' leaking of classified 
information "disgraceful," while Republicans in Congress called for Keller 
to be charged with treason, and right-wing commentators and news outlets 
kept up the "treason" drumbeat. Some commentators, as Conason noted, 
reminded readers, smugly, that one penalty for violating the Espionage Act 
is execution.


Conason is right to note how serious a threat that attack represented. It is 
also important to recall that the 1938 Moscow show trial accused the editor 
of Izvestia, Nikolai Bukharin, of treason; Bukharin was, in fact, executed. 
And it is important to remind Americans that when the 1917 Espionage Act was 
last widely invoked, during the infamous 1919 Palmer Raids, leftist 
activists were arrested without warrants in sweeping roundups, kept in jail 
for up to five months, and "beaten, starved, suffocated, tortured and 
threatened with death," according to the historian Myra MacPherson. After 
that, dissent was muted in America for a decade.

In Stalin's Soviet Union, dissidents were "enemies of the people." National 
Socialists called those who supported Weimar democracy "November traitors."

And here is where the circle closes: Most Americans do not realise that 
since September of last year, when Congress wrongly, foolishly, passed the 
Military Commissions Act of 2006, the president has the power to call any 
U.S. citizen an "enemy combatant." He has the power to define what "enemy 
combatant" means. The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in 
the executive branch the right to define "enemy combatant" any way he or she 
wants and then seize Americans accordingly.

Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be completely 
innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the power to have us 
seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow, or have us taken with a 
knock on the door, ship you or me to a navy brig and keep you or me in 
isolation, possibly for months, while awaiting trial. (Prolonged isolation, 
as psychiatrists know, triggers psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy 
prisoners. That is why Stalin's gulag had an isolation cell, like 
Guantánamo's, in every satellite prison. Camp 6, the newest, most brutal 
facility at Guantánamo, is all isolation cells.)

We U.S. citizens will get a trial eventually - for now. But legal rights 
activists at the Center for Constitutional Rights say that the Bush 
administration is increasingly and aggressively trying to find ways to get 
around giving even U.S. citizens fair trials. "Enemy combatant" is a status 
offence - it is not even something you have to have done. "We have 
absolutely moved over into a preventive detention model - you look like you 
could do something bad, you might do something bad, so we're going to hold 
you," says a spokeswoman of the CCR.

Most Americans surely do not get this yet. No wonder: It is hard to believe, 
even though it is true. In every closing society, at a certain point there 
are some high-profile arrests - usually of opposition leaders, clergy and 
journalists. Then everything goes quiet. After those arrests, there are 
still newspapers, courts, TV and radio, and the facades of a civil society. 
There just isn't real dissent. There just isn't freedom. If you look at 
history, just before those arrests is where we are now.

10. Suspend the rule of law.

The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gave the president new 
powers over the national guard. This means that in a national emergency - 
which the president now has enhanced powers to declare - he can send 
Michigan's militia to enforce a state of emergency that he has declared in 
Oregon, over the objections of the state's governor and its citizens.

Even as Americans were focused on Britney Spears's meltdown and the question 
of who fathered Anna Nicole's baby, the New York Times editorialized about 
this shift: "A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that 
strike to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of 
night . Beyond actual insurrection, the president may now use military 
troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a 
disease outbreak, terrorist attack or any 'other condition.'"

Critics see this as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which was 
meant to restrain the federal government from using the military for 
domestic law enforcement. The Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy says the bill 
encourages a president to declare federal martial law. It also violates the 
very reason the founders set up our system of government as they did: Having 
seen citizens bullied by a monarch's soldiers, the founders were terrified 
of exactly this kind of concentration of militia power over American people 
in the hands of an oppressive executive or faction.

Of course, the United States is not vulnerable to the violent, total closing 
down of the system that followed Mussolini's march on Rome or Hitler's 
roundup of political prisoners. Our democratic habits are too resilient, and 
our military and judiciary too independent, for any kind of scenario like 
that.

Rather, as other critics are noting, our experiment in democracy could be 
closed down by a process of erosion.


It is a mistake to think that early in a fascist shift you see the profile 
of barbed wire against the sky. In the early days, things look normal on the 
surface; peasants were celebrating harvest festivals in Calabria in 1922; 
people were shopping and going to the movies in Berlin in 1931. Early on, as 
W.H. Auden put it, the horror is always elsewhere - while someone is being 
tortured, children are skating, ships are sailing. "Dogs go on with their 
doggy life . How everything turns away/ Quite leisurely from the disaster."

As Americans turn away quite leisurely, keeping tuned to Internet shopping 
and American Idol, the foundations of democracy are being fatally corroded. 
Something has changed profoundly that weakens us unprecedentedly: Our 
democratic traditions, independent judiciary and free press do their work 
today in a context in which we are "at war" in a "long war," a war without 
end, on a battlefield described as the globe, in a context that gives the 
president - without U.S. citizens realizing it yet - the power over U.S. 
citizens of freedom or long solitary incarceration, on his say-so alone.

That means a hollowness has been expanding under the foundation of all these 
still free-looking institutions, and this foundation can give way under 
certain kinds of pressure. To prevent such an outcome, we have to think 
about the "what ifs."

What if, in a year and a half, there is another attack - say, God forbid, a 
dirty bomb? The executive can declare a state of emergency. History shows 
that any leader, of any party, will be tempted to maintain emergency powers 
after the crisis has passed. With the gutting of traditional checks and 
balances, we are no less endangered by a President Hillary than by a 
President Giuliani, because any executive will be tempted to enforce his or 
her will through edict rather than the arduous, uncertain process of 
democratic negotiation and compromise.

What if the publisher of a major U.S. newspaper were charged with treason or 
espionage, as a right-wing effort seemed to threaten Keller with last year? 
What if he or she got 10 years in jail? What would the newspapers look like 
the next day? Judging from history, they would not cease publishing, but 
they would suddenly be very polite.

Right now, only a handful of patriots are trying to hold back the tide of 
tyranny for the rest of us - staff at the Center for Constitutional Rights, 
who faced death threats for representing the detainees yet persisted all the 
way to the Supreme Court; activists at the American Civil Liberties Union; 
and prominent conservatives trying to roll back the corrosive new laws, 
under the banner of a new group called the American Freedom Agenda. This 
small, disparate collection of people needs everybody's help, including that 
of Europeans and others internationally who are willing to put pressure on 
the administration because they can see what a United States unrestrained by 
real democracy at home can mean for the rest of the world.

We need to look at history and face the "what ifs." For if we keep going 
down this road, the "end of America" could come for each of us in a 
different way, at a different moment; each of us might have a different 
moment when we feel forced to look back and think: That is how it was 
before, and this is the way it is now.

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in 
the same hands . is the definition of tyranny," wrote James Madison. We 
still have the choice to stop going down this road; we can stand our ground 
and fight for our nation, and take up the banner the founders asked us to 
carry.




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      Dumbed down U.S.A.
       [16:19 ]
I'd like to add that this brand of U.S. fascism is being sold as a normal 
necessity and at the same time, business as usual. Nothing happening here 
folks, just move along and continue to conduct your business.

The way they do it is by maintaining a "big front yard", which is the 
so-called democratic government, all the time pretending that it is still 
working for the common people, when in fact it is working for the corporate 
ruling-class imperialists. Whenever we point out these things, they deny it 
and it's impossible to prove becuz they work behind the scenes, away from 
the public.

Both the war on drugs and the war on terror are BS wars, created by the 
ruling-class to serve the ruling-class. Note that both of these wars do not 
designate any official nation or entity, but abstract concepts, as the 
enemy. Note also that the common people everywhere are the victims and the 
losers, while the wealthy corprorate vampires and vultures reap all the 
profit.

Dumbed down Americans have been hopelessly duped by expert liars to support 
wars that serve the tyrants and destroy the common people. Will they ever 
wake up and learn who the real enemy is?




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Traitor Vanunu IS NOT, he is a patriot who exposed the fascist state of 
israel as an agressive entity and a gangster enclave

"Hugo S. Cunningham"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:38:07 -0700, Venceremos 
> wrote:
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> [...]
>
>>As the world knows, [Vanuna was] first kidnapped, and then tried and
>>sentenced by a court organised in accordance with principles perfected
>>by the late Joseph Stalin,
>
> Arresting and punishing spies and traitors was not an idea unique to
> Stalin.  (Stalin did deserve credit, however, as a pioneer in
> prosecuting imaginary spies.)
>
> --Hugo S. Cunningham
>
>
>> for telling the world that the Zionist
>>state of Israel had, with the complicity of several "western" states
>>(including my own), provided itself with nuclear arms.
>
> [...]
> 




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Report: Iran general gives nuclear info
Ali-Reza Asghari, the Iranian general who went missing in Turkey nearly half 
a year ago, is currently being held in a secure US intelligence facility, it 
was reported on Sunday.




OK, folks, here's what this article should have said:
"Ali-Reza Asgari, the Iranian general who was abducted in Turkey 6 months 
ago, is currently being detained in a US prison, and none of his family, 
friends, or members of the Red Cross or Red Crescent, have seen him since.

After innumerable torture sessions in the process of his interrogation 
(electric shock, water boarding, beatings, threats to his family, etc, the 
usual American "interrogation fare"), he blurted out, in between screams, 
that Iran has also developed the technology to enrich uranium with lasers - 
a technology the IAEA has confirmed Iran has been using since.....drum roll, 
please..... August of 2004! (see:http://www.iranwatch.org/privateviews/ 
First%20Watch/perspex-fwi-Laser.pdf.)

So if this is "old news", why the sudden breathless interest in what this 
guy had to say?

The answer is, absolutely nothing we don't already know, and have known, for 
the last 3 years.

NOW  SUPPOSING IRANIANS KIDNAP PETREAUS AND TORTURE HIM FOR SIX MONTHS, 
WOULD BUSH SQUEAL?






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 wrote in message 
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I am not a Jew, but I am a Zionist. Arabs say that "first comes
Saturday, then Sunday." It means that they will exterminate Jews
before they exterminate Christians. We, the Westerners must support
Israel because Israel is the first line of defense against Islam.

Which "Arabs" say that, kinko?

Islam is a wasting disease that infects feeble
communities and feeble minds. Its symptoms are
Arabization, corruption, violence, and backwardness.
Islam cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated
to prevent another world war.

Far from it, out of 1.5 billion muslims, only about 250 million are Arabs. 
Islam is popular in Europe, Asia, Russia and South America. Too late, pal, 
the world knows what is good for the world.

The so called moderate Muslims are moderate in their
tactics but not in their long term goals. They give
money to charities which funnel the money to
terrorists, but they never give money to victims of
Islamic terrorism.

Are you suggesting that muslims finance George Bush's terrorism or the 
ZioNazi kind?

Dan Dennett explains how Islam infects our minds:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/116

To become a Muslim, you must take an Arab name, dress
like an Arab, speak Arabic, eat only what Arabs eat,

Your knowledge of Arabs is astounding. And if you want be a dopeyou do not 
have to do nothing!

treat your wife as Arabs treat their wives, etc...
Such things as blue jeans are not really condemned
because they are immoral but because they are not Arab.
source: http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/quran.asp

"Jeans" are probably more Arab in Arab countries than they are in USA

Islam has the world's record of genocide.
Telling me. Look at a genocide of Iraq, one million Arabs killed by USA

Its victims,
over more than 1,350 years, number in the hundreds of
millions, many more than the victims of the Holocaust

Really? Are you talking about the Holocaust of Russia, when Jewish 
Commissars slaughtered 100 million Russians, including the young family of 
the Czar?

Did you hear about the exodus of Jews from Spain before Isabella fried them 
alive? Did you know how they escaped her wrath? Of course you do not know, 
because if you knew you would go down on your hands and knees and thank 
Arabs for saving your miserable kike skin!

and World Communism combined. Muslim genocide is still
ongoing in the Sudan, Ivory Cost. Mauritania, Somalia,
the Philippines, Indonesia, and, to a lesser extent
in other Muslim countries.
TO SAY NOTHING ABOUT IRAQ AND PALESTINE! RIGHT?

source: http://allaboutmuhammad.com/page15.html

Muslim families are baby-production factories.
YOU BETTER BELIVE IT

 No
consideration is given about the child's future...

THERE WERE MOREWOMEN DOCTORSIN IRAQ, BEFORE THE GENOCIDE, THAN THERE WERE IN 
UNITED STATES

and whether the parents can feed, shelter and educate
him/her. What is important is the mullah's call to grow
in numbers, so that the Ummah may overcome the kaffirs.
source: 
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1259

JEWS FEED THEIR BRATS BECAUSE U.S. TAXPAYER DONATES MONEY TO FEED THEM, 
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD STARVE TO DEATH!

The Muslim world does not accept non-Muslim immigrants.

TELLING ME! MAYBE THAT IS WHY ABOUT A MILLION OF AMERICANS LIVE IN EGYPT 
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE EMIRATES

In fact, it is becoming more homogenous as Islamic
regimes drive out religious minorities or whittle them

TEN YEARS AGO 7% OF EGYPTIANS WERE CHRISTIANS, THIS YEAR CENSUS SHOWS THAT 
10% ARE CHRISTIANS. DOES THAT JIVE WITH YOUR BULLSHIT?

down through other means of attrition. Even Muslims who
feel entitled to life in the West often decry the
presence of foreigners in Muslim lands. source:
CRAP!

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=1072859

I headed for Gracanica, a small enclave of Christian
Serbs who's ancestors have been living in Kosovo for
thousands of years.
SERBS BECAME CHRISTIANS IN TWELFTH CENTURY, I GUES YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT. 
THEY DID NOT HAVE A SCRIPT TO WRITE WITH UNTIL CYRIL AND METHODIUS GAVE IT 
TO THEM IN 11TH CENTURY.

Gracanica is about 600 years old. So is Sopocane. I have been to both. 
Gracanica was built with the help of Mehmet Pasha Sokolovich the Turkish 
muslim of Serbian origin, whose brother was a Serbian prelate of the 
Christian church near Drina. Serbs could not have built it "thousands of 
years ago" because they were not Christians then!

Gracanica Monastery has been the
site of Christian churches since the 6th century,
CRAP! There were no Slavs in the Balkans until Justinian. If there was a 
church in Gracanica it was probably a Roman temple!

yet
when I arrived I was struck by the towering concrete
walls adorned with coiled barbed wire and machine gun
nests, all required now for the protection of the nuns
and bishops who live there.

Maybe this is because, Serbs comitted horrific genocide aganst the Kosovars 
in the '90's, and they wore out their welcome

 The outside was also spotted
with vehicle blockers reminiscent of Normandy Beach,
with KFOR guards and vehicles patrolling to protect
the Christians from Islamist attacks.

Hardly "Islamists" most of the Kosovars are either Christians or very, very 
secular muslims!

 I visited with
the nuns in the monastery, who told me their stories,
how much they lived in fear of being murdered by radical
Muslims.

The problem was of course the genocide which took place by the Serbs.When 
you kill people, expect to be killed

 My heart sank as I saw that even though their
families had been there for countless years, they knew
that their situation would never get better, and that
sometime in their lives they would either be murdered
or forced to leave. My mind shot back to Dearborn,
Michigan, and I found myself wondering if Christians
there would one day be forced to live like this.

After our genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan anything is possible!
source:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Emerging-Islamist-Terror-Hub-Kosovo-Bosnia.htm

Unfortunately, even the Westerners who perceive a danger
rarely grasp its full scope. Religious war simply does
not fit with their understanding of the world. While
they may be able to grasp the notion of Islamic
terrorism or "Islamofascism," it is inconceivable that
Islam itself could be hostile.

Islam is only hostile to those who aim to destroy it. Islam will not be 
destroyed laying down.

They assume, without
questioning, that all religions are basically the same,
and that all religions teach about peace and love. source:

Islam means peace. Islam does not mean surrender!

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=756

There is no such thing as "radical Islam", since by its
true definition Islam is nothing but radical. Those who
espouse a "liberal" view of Islam should be forced to
back up their nouveau interpretation with unabrogated
scriptural facts. Unless such would-be "reformists" can
categorically denounce Islamofascisim based on sound
evidence from the Qur'an, they prove to be the true
radicals... The terrorists are faithful and true to what
is written in the holy Qur'an. A Muslim is forbidden to
think critically about the Qur'an.

Being a muslim I have read Talmud Old Testament Mahabharta Ramayana, and 
Kraljevic Marko!

He must blindly obey
it and accept it passively and should memorize all of it.

Islam teaches that "El din a muamela" (religion is how you treat others!)

source: 
http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=71&Itemid=2

"The conversion of the entire population to Islam and the
extinction of every form of dissent is the ideal of the
Muslim State.

Not a single person was ever converted to Islam by force. Islam has no 
priests or missionaries, and you have never seen muslims knocking on your 
door to convert you!

If any infidel is suffered to exist in the
community, it is as a necessary evil,

I never heard my neighbors complain, they are all Chjristians

and for a transitional
period only. Political and social disabilities must be
imposed on him, and bribes offered to him from the public
funds, to hasten the day of his spiritual enlightenment
and the addition of his name to the roll of true believers.
A non-Muslim therefore cannot be a citizen of the State;

Really? How about  Butros Burtros Ghali, who represented Egypt in United 
Nations for quarter of a century and became UN Secretary General?  BTW, his 
son is now a Minister in the Mubarek government, and a Christian priest to 
boot.What about half population of Lebanon? Do you think they are Lebanese 
citizens? How about 25,000 Jews in Iran? Do you think they are Iranian 
citizens?

he is a member of a depressed class; his status is a
modified form of slavery. He lives under a contract
(zimma, or 'dhimma') with the State:

Hardly! About 50% of the Egyptian Genarals andofficer corps are Christians. 
Muslims in Serbia wer forbidden by the law of getting a promotion in the 
military before 194