The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From:  Venceremos 
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On May 31, 10:31 pm, ADL Reporter  wrote:
> New York, NY, May 31, 2007 -- The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today
> expressed outrage at a report that the Swiss Foreign Ministry proposed
> a seminar "about different perceptions about the Holocaust" during
> talks with Iran over its nuclear program last year.... See more at the
> URL below.
>
> http://antidefamationleague.us/#adl_outraged

I see nothing wrong with inquiry into any subject, any at all. We
still review all aspects of wars,
assassinations,historical figures, presidents etc.etc WHAT'S WRON IN
REVIEWING THE DETAILS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
After all Jews do not own the Holocaust, in fact Jews were the minor
player in Holocaust!



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From:  Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Information On How To Divest From, Boycott and Protest Against The Apartheid Israeli Regime
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On May 31, 6:14 pm, "Ed"
 wrote:
> "Zoot Allures"  wrote in message
>
> news:rp9u53h74m4u88d16av1ffrmv4lv130be3@4ax.com...
>
> > this whole idea that Israel is racist, etc., is nonsense. just some useful
> > idiots going on about
> > something they don't know about.
>
> Let them try their stupid little boycott.  It will have no effect
> whatsoever, because too many useful products and services come out of
> Israel.

Like what? I have never seen anything made in Israel that was worth
having



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On May 31, 8:03 pm, Ed  wrote:
> On May 31, 7:40 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 31, 3:14 pm, "Ed"
>
> >  wrote:
> > > "Zoot Allures"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:rp9u53h74m4u88d16av1ffrmv4lv130be3@4ax.com...
>
> > > > this whole idea that Israel is racist, etc., is nonsense. just some useful
> > > > idiots going on about
> > > > something they don't know about.
>
> > > Let them try their stupid little boycott.  It will have no effect
> > > whatsoever, because too many useful products and services come out of
> > > Israel.
>
> > ROFLMAO Sure thing Eddie, you just keep believing that it will mean
> > nothing.     ROFLMAO
>
> Well, Israel is still going strong, despite the best efforts exerted
> by you and the thirteen others who support such idiocy.

It is going strong because it is ripping United States taxpayers of
billions. You bastards are fucking beggars. Always holding your hand
out for a dime!



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From: "ElParedon" 
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Oprah Again Manipulated By the Master Hoaxster Elie Wiesel

When Elie Wiesel took Oprah Winfrey to Auschwitz the choreography was
perfect. Jewish suffering was paramount; remember the six million,
the gas chambers, the Zyklon B, the death marches, and "Arbeit Macht
Frei."

Ignore the facts that none of Wiesel's family was gassed, that 50
million non-Jews were killed, that Wiesel chose to leave Auschwitz
with the Nazis rather than be liberated by the Russians as was Anne
Frank's father. And certainly ignore the ethnic cleansing and murder
of perhaps two million Germans, mostly civilians, after the war.

Now Elie will take Oprah to Israel to "sympathize with the suffering
of the people of Israel" meaning the suffering of Jews, of course.
He won't be taking her to the ghetto known as Gaza, where 1.4 million
Palestinians languish in hunger and sickness. He won't be taking her
to the concentration camp at Ketziot in the Negev Desert.

Nor will this icon of the Holocaust Industry be taking Oprah to Deir
Yassin, the site of a massacre of Arab civilians perpetrated by his
employer, The Irgun, in April 1948. When he accompanies her at the
most famous Holocaust memorial at Yad Vashem, they will be looking
across the valley at Deir Yassin, but Elie will not mention it nor
apologize for it.

Nor will they discuss on camera or privately that today over half the
people within the borders controlled by Israel are not Jews. Such
inconvenient facts fly in the face of the quest to build a Jewish
state in Palestine, a quest that is patently racist.

First Auschwitz, now Israel -- what is next for the Oprah and Elie
show? Perhaps they could recreate the Jewish slave ship Mazeltof and
sail together from Africa to Curacao and on to America. Oprah at the
prow, Elie at the wheel, the hold packed with slaves sailing into
Hasbara.

Daniel McGowan

Deir Yassin Remembered

4174 Scandling Center

Geneva, NY 14456




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Friendly Fire

Raising questions about 9/11 gets an Army sergeant demoted for "disloyalty."

By STEPHEN C. WEBSTER
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Buswell (left) received the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Iraq.
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Buswell told his dad it was an honor to care for wounded soldiers.
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Darren Cunningham and Buswell met and became friends in Iraq, and Buswell 
later helped Cunningham's family deal with the MP's death.

These days, Donald Buswell's job is not as exciting or dangerous as it once 
was. For the past few months, his working hours have been spent taking care 
of some 40-plus wounded soldiers at San Antonio's Fort Sam Houston medical 
center. The work is sometimes menial, even janitorial, but he doesn't mind. 
After all, Buswell has been where these men are - three years ago, he too 
was recovering from wounds received in a battle zone in Iraq.

"I truly consider this an honor," Buswell told his dad not long ago.

Still, it's not exactly where Buswell expected to be after 20 years of 
well-respected service in the Army.

Since joining the Army in 1987, he had risen to the rank of sergeant first 
class, serving in both Gulf Wars, Bosnia, Rwanda, and Korea. He ended up 
with shrapnel scars and a Purple Heart and, back in the U.S. after his last 
tour in Iraq, a job as intelligence analyst at Fort Sam Houston.

He couldn't have foreseen that one e-mail could derail his career and put 
him on his way out of the Army. One e-mail, speculating about events that 
millions of people have questioned for the last six years, was all it took.

Sgt. Buswell wants to know: What really happened on 9/11? And he said so in 
his e-mail. In the few paragraphs of that August 2006 message - a reply not 
to someone outside the service, but to other soldiers - Buswell wrote that 
he thought the official report of what happened that day at the Pentagon, 
and in the Pennsylvania crash of United Airlines Flight 93, was full of 
errors and unanswered questions.

"Who really benefited from what happened that day?" he asked rhetorically. 
Not "Arabs," but "the Military Industrial Complex," Buswell concluded. "We 
must demand a new, independent investigation."

For voicing those opinions in an e-mail to 38 people on the San Antonio Army 
base, Buswell was stripped of his security clearance, fired from his job, 
demoted, and ordered to undergo a mental health exam.

(He was also ordered not to speak with the press. Information for this story 
came from documents, conversations with Buswell's family members and 
friends, and sources within Fifth Army who asked not to be named.)

As if all that weren't enough, Fort Sam Houston's chief of staff penned a 
letter accusing Buswell of "making statements disloyal to the United 
States."

His father, Winthrop Buswell, said that his son "is one of the most 
patriotic people I know."

"Donald saw something that his conscience led him to dispute," he said. 
"That's just the type of man he is."

For his dissent, Donald has paid a heavy price.

Baghdad's early light danced across the surface of a man-made lake. For 
Buswell, that April 2004 morning was the perfect time for a run. Behind him, 
the soldiers of Baghdad's Camp Victory were, for the most part, not yet 
stirring. The path he took was a historic one: In the palace just a couple 
of hundred yards away, surrounded by the lake, Saddam Hussein was in 
custody, locked away in a former torture cell.

Five miles into the jog, Buswell paused to catch his breath, and something 
splashed in the water nearby with unusual force. He jumped back, surprised, 
and surveyed the area with care. Seeing no threat, he resumed his run, 
heading toward a couple of Iraqi men painting a small building.

Seconds later, Buswell heard a growing whistle and turned just in time to 
see a 122mm rocket barreling toward him. He dove out of the way, and the 
round hit several dozen yards behind him. Picking himself up off the ground, 
he saw another white trail forming over the water. He started running again, 
but had made it only a few steps when the force of another impact blew him 
to the ground. Shrapnel, rocks, and dirt rained down on him. Ahead, a fourth 
round hit the Iraqi painters, blowing off body parts and engulfing them in 
flames.

Horrified, Buswell ran toward the men and tried to extinguish the flames. 
The men were still alive, screaming in agony. Then, he heard the 
increasingly familiar whistle of another rocket and once again hit the dirt. 
The one that struck the nearby road was a dud, like the first that hit the 
water. Had it exploded, Buswell probably would have died. When he turned to 
look again at the two Iraqi men, he saw they were dead, their bodies charred 
and smoking.

"It was like the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan," his dad recalled him 
saying.

By this time, troops from the camp were running toward the scene. Only when 
the first of those soldiers arrived and screamed for a medic did Buswell 
realize he'd been hit. Sharp flakes of metal were embedded up and down his 
left leg and all over the right side of his back.

The relatively minor wounds Buswell suffered that day were his first in a 
battle zone, despite the fact that he'd served in southern Iraq during 
Desert Storm a decade before. In his first few years in the Army, Buswell 
had been a metalworker and had dealt with explosives. Since 1990, he had 
been an intelligence analyst.

Buswell's wounds were cleaned and bandaged within an hour of the rocket 
attack, and he rejoined his unit almost immediately. But 2004 had more - and 
more pleasant - developments in store for him.

Two months after the attack, he returned to the United States, to Fort Hood 
in Central Texas, and married his girlfriend Lori, officially becoming 
step-dad to her 11-year-old daughter Kaitlyn, who calls him "DD" (Daddy 
Donald) for short. In one of those strange quirks of war, Buswell had 
actually met Lori's ex-husband and Kaitlyn's dad - Darren Cunningham - while 
both were based at Camp Victory. The two became close friends. When 
Cunningham, a military police officer, was killed in a rocket attack in 
October 2004, just a month before his retirement, Buswell became even more 
of a father figure for Kaitlyn - and in some ways helped Cunningham's family 
deal with his death.

For the next two years, Buswell worked at his intelligence post at Fort 
Hood, then was transferred to a similar job in San Antonio. But as he 
worked, he studied and read about what had happened on 9/11 - and came to 
the conclusions that would get him in so much trouble.

The terrorist attacks of 2001 had a profound effect on Buswell.

Before the much-disputed presidential election of 2000, Buswell shared with 
his father a view that very few held at the time. He was convinced that if 
George W. Bush won, he would take the country to war with Iraq to finish his 
father's work. He believed the younger Bush would be too beholden to oil 
interests - and feared what that would mean for America's foreign policy.

When the planes hit the World Trade Center towers on 9/11, Buswell later 
told his father, he figured that war with Iraq was coming, even if the 
country had nothing to do with the attacks. Being a loyal soldier, he kept 
his views private for a long while.

"He didn't want to rock the boat," Buswell's father said. "Like all of us, 
he was somewhat in shock after what happened on 9/11." And, as he told his 
father, his job was to serve. He was proud to do it, no matter who was 
directing policy.

By the time he was transferred to Fort Sam Houston, Buswell had developed 
strong opinions about what had happened. He had come to believe that the 
World Trade Center attacks were aided by persons on the inside and that the 
planes that crashed into the towers were just one component of a larger, 
more complex attack. The career soldier had effectively become a member of 
what's known as the "9/11 truth movement," which has continued to grow in 
spite of news media coverage that has generally refused to take the 
questions seriously. The movement includes many factions, espousing theories 
>from the somewhat plausible to the really out-there folks who talk about 
space weapons bringing down the New York towers. The doubters include people 
like Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who recently agreed to distribute 
Loose Change Final Cut, a 9/11 conspiracy movie, and actors Charlie Sheen 
and Rosie O'Donnell, whose 9/11 dissents have been well-publicized.

In light of his new job, Buswell wanted to make sure his superiors knew of 
his views. He went to Chief Warrant Officer Mario Torres, a legal advisor to 
his division at Fort Sam Houston. Buswell told Torres he would not be 
willing to write reports or give speeches that required him to say things he 
didn't believe regarding 9/11.

He shared with Torres his belief that the facts contradicted large parts of 
the official story of what had happened that day, calling the attacks an 
"inside job" - one of the central beliefs of many truth movement members. 
Torres didn't see a problem: Buswell would not be working on anything 
related to 9/11, he said, and compared the sergeant's views versus the 
official story to liking beer over wine. His concerns dismissed, Buswell 
went to work.

It was only a few weeks later, on Aug. 2, when Buswell received the e-mail 
that knocked his career off its tracks. The unsolicited message was sent to 
him and 38 others by someone who gave his name as Larry Anderson. No such 
person could be located at the San Antonio fort, and Buswell's superiors 
declined to comment or to talk about the sender of the original e-mail.

The e-mail's subject line read: "F4 vs. Concrete Wall." The message referred 
to "loony liberal reasoning" that there must have been a conspiracy involved 
in the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon because there allegedly wasn't enough 
airplane debris left behind for the building to have been hit by an 
airliner. Anderson referred to a film clip showing, he said, an Air Force 
engineering test in which an F4 Phantom fighter jet crashed at 500 mph into 
a heavily reinforced concrete wall surrounding a nuclear reactor site. The 
jet "turned to vapor," Anderson claimed, thereby explaining the lack of 
plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

Later that day, Buswell committed the same infraction as Anderson: From his 
Army computer, he sent a mass reply to all the folks who got the initial 
message. Buswell's crime was clicking the "Reply All" button - a mistake he 
still regrets.

The comparison between the F4 and a 757 hitting the Pentagon, he wrote, 
"serves only to muddy the issue," because the fighter jet hitting a concrete 
barrier hardened to nuclear containment standards is very different from a 
plane hitting the Pentagon. The real issue, Buswell said, was that the 
official story on what happened that day "is filled with errors.

"We all know and saw 2 planes hitting the WTC buildings," he wrote. "[W]e 
didn't see the 757 hit the Pentagon, nor did we see the plane crash in 
Shanksville, PA. Both the PA and Pentagon 'crashes' don't have [the] 
tell-tale signs of a jumbo-jet impacting those zones!

"The Pentagon would have huge wing impacts in the side of the building; it 
didn't. Shanksville, PA would have had debris, and a large debris field; it 
didn't."

He went on to express doubt that "some Arabs in caves with cell phones" had 
been responsible for the tragedies of that day.

"I mean, how are Arabs benefiting from pulling off 9/11?" Buswell asked. 
"They have more war, more death and dismal conditions, so, how did 911 
benefit them? Answer: It didn't. So, who benefited from 9-11? The answer is 
sad, but simple: The Military Industrial Complex." The idea of a 9/11 
conspiracy, he added, is neither "Liberal Lunacy ... nor is it Conservative 
Kookiness."

"People, fellow citizens we've been had!" he wrote. "We must demand a new 
independent investigation into 911 and look at all the options of that day 
... Even the most incredulous theories must be examined."

Not an opinion one might have expected from a career soldier - but then, 
expressing opinions, especially those of dissent, is the American way. The 
e-mail exchange hadn't seemed particularly important to Buswell, he later 
told his family. He found out differently the next morning.

His key wouldn't open the door to his office.

That was the first clue Buswell had that something was wrong. In short 
order, he was informed that a "15-6 investigation" had been opened regarding 
his use of the military e-mail network. It's the same designation given the 
investigation into the Abu Ghraib torture scandal.

Over the next few days, Buswell was informed of the removal of his security 
clearance, subjected to intense scrutiny and intimidation, and alienated 
>from other members of his intelligence division when he was relegated to 
secretarial work while the investigation went on. He was fired from his job 
and demoted to platoon sergeant.

In a letter appointing Major Edwin Escobar to lead the investigation, Col. 
Luke S. Green, chief of staff of the Fifth Army, wrote, "SFC Buswell failed 
to obey a general order or regulation when he used his Government issued 
email account to send messages disloyal to the United States [emphasis 
added] with the intent of engendering disloyalty or disaffection for the 
United States in a manner that brought discredit upon the United States 
Army."

Green added that Buswell "allegedly asserts that he has information that 
proves a conspiracy on the part of the US military industrial complex to 
attack targets within the United States (e.g., The Pentagon), opinions which 
he asserts publicly and over Government email systems."

However, no other documents related to the investigation mention Buswell's 
opinions or question his loyalty. Officially, he was charged only with 
violating an Army policy regarding use of the military's e-mail network. 
Winthrop Buswell said his son has acknowledged the infraction, but also 
noted it was the first time he'd ever heard of the rule being enforced.

Green, at the behest of Lt. General, Robert T. Clark, deputy commanding 
general of the Fifth Army, ordered that Buswell undergo a mental health 
exam. However, the physician in charge of the medical center's mental health 
division declined to administer the test, saying that Buswell's actions did 
not warrant it.

Buswell fought back. He contacted U.S. Rep. Charles A. Gonzales of San 
Antonio to register a complaint. Gonzales subsequently requested information 
>from the Army about the investigation, but according to his aides, no other 
action has been taken. The request was given a congressional inquiry case 
number and promptly put aside.

In another sense though, Buswell has given up - at least on the idea of 
continuing his Army career. He filed retirement papers, set to take effect 
April 1, 2008.

"Donald expressed to me his disappointment in the Army after all that has 
happened," said his father. "I raised my son to love America. He still gets 
chills when he sees the flag flying and hears our national anthem. He's 
committed his life to serving our country, only to get tossed aside like 
this. It brings me great sadness."

When his son gets out, he said, he plans to become an advocate for the 9/11 
truth movement.

For the last 10 months, Buswell has spent his days tending to the needs of 
wounded Iraq War veterans at the San Antonio medical center.

"The service has mostly been good to Donald," said the elder Buswell, a 
painter and retired locomotive engineer from Loudon, N.H. "He wouldn't have 
made a career out of it if it wasn't. But after all the controversy and the 
investigation, the thing that surprises me most is how he reacted to being 
fired. When they assigned him to the medical center, he told me, 'Dad, I 
truly consider this to be an honor. To be given such an important task as 
some kind of retaliation against me is confusing, but it is truly my honor 
to help these men and women right now.'"

On the other hand, the elder Buswell said, his son's empathy toward the 
soldiers now in his care isn't surprising.

"He provides great solace to the soldiers," Winthrop said. "He is a good 
listener and knows what they're going through, having been in Iraq and 
suffering injuries there as well. They truly appreciate him."

Family members say that's par for the course for Buswell, a guy who 
delivered a Father's Day present to Darren Cunningham from his daughter back 
in 2004 and even consulted Darren about raising his friend's daughter, from 
whom Cunningham had years earlier become estranged.

"I don't know what I've done in my life to deserve such a blessing, but 
having Donny around has helped me and my family deal with losing Darren," 
said Glenn Cunningham, Darren's older brother. "I really admire and respect 
Donny for that, and because of how principled he is. Some people don't have 
the sense of honor that Donny has. And, you know, Donny ... He says things 
sometimes that get him into trouble, but he says them because he feels it's 
the right thing to do. And I really, deeply respect that."

To this day, Winthrop Buswell said, his son still cannot believe the 
military would come down on him so hard for sharing a view widely held 
across the United States.

"Donald really did nothing wrong," his father said. "He responded to an 
e-mail. How many of us in civilian life respond to e-mail forwards from 
co-workers or friends? Is that really a crime? ... He is convinced, as I am 
also, that the 9/11 attacks are not what they seem. We love this country. I 
even voted for Bush in 2000. Sadly, I must say that I do regret it."

He shares many of his son's doubts and questions about what happened six 
years ago.

"When you look back at that day - that terrible, terrible day - it seems 
almost like another lifetime ago," he said. "Donald believes bombs were 
planted in the towers and that the investigation exhibited a number of very 
questionable characteristics. Like, how could fire melt the steel core of 
the towers? Or, why did the 9/11 Commission not talk about World Trade 
Center 7? That [building] fell around 5 p.m., but we don't know why. And if 
it is true what we've heard recently, that a physics professor at [Brigham 
Young University] found elements of steel-cutting agents in the melted steel 
>from the towers, why is that met with cries of insanity? There is a 
possibility that what really happened was much more than what we were told."

Not everyone close to the Buswells shares those views. Glenn Cunningham, who 
has become close friends with Buswell, much like his brother Darren, does 
not put much stock in conspiracy theories.

"I'm not one for conspiracies, but from what Donny is saying, it really does 
sound kinda questionable," he said. "But I haven't looked at it. I'm not in 
any movement ... And I just can't imagine what people expect to come out of 
it. Of course I want to know the truth. Truth is always important, and if 
they're lying to cover something up, we should find out. But then what?"

Winthrop Buswell isn't strident when he talks about 9/11. He just raises 
questions and encourage others to do the same - and that's all his son has 
done, he said.

"I pray Donald does not get in further trouble for standing up and speaking 
with his conscience," he said. "I wish we were not all swept up in it. But 
here we are. So what will we do?

"Donald told me once, 'Dad, I hate feeling the way I do. I just hate it. And 
if I'm wrong, gosh, I'll just apologize to no end. But I can't deny where 
the facts have led, and I can't tell you how disappointed I am. The evidence 
just seems so prominent, and the question must be asked.'"

"Sadly, I agree with my son," concluded Buswell. "I want the truth. Nothing 
less. We should all want that."

Stephen C. Webster is a freelance journalist in North Texas. A version of 
this story appeared originally in the Lone Star Iconoclast, published in 
Crawford, Texas.





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By Doug Soderstrom

5/31/07

Having grown up in a small town in Central Kansas I was taught to believe 
that my country, the United States of America, was a land committed to 
justice and peace, a nation that one could count on to do the right thing, a 
country of civilized folks who had but one thing in mind.... that of doing 
the will of God. I also began to realize that there is nothing wrong with 
feeling ashamed for having done something wrong, that such a response is a 
rather natural consequence of having violated one's conscience, a voice from 
deep within that is no doubt a reliable guide for how a man (or woman) of 
true integrity ought to live his (or her) life. However, for those who seem 
to lack the capacity to feel ashamed, one can only wonder what must be wrong 
with them.

As I began to emerge into manhood there was an ever, ongoing flow of hints, 
subtle suggestions that things were not as I had been told. However, it wasn't 
until our country vented its awful wrath upon a post 9-11 world that I began 
to realize that I had been misled. At that point I had no choice but to take 
a long, hard look at the history of our country, a thorough examination of 
what turned out to be a past drenched in the blood of our foes, foreign 
lands raped of their natural resources, democratically elected governments 
overthrown, an outrageous succession of egregious arrangements with tyrants 
and dictators from around the world, along with the fact that our nation is 
the only developed country in the world that utilizes the death penalty to 
kill its own people, and that we imprison more of our own people than any 
other nation in the world.. all of such having enabled me to gain a better 
understanding of why there are so many folks around the world who have 
become upset by our nation's apparent willingness to abuse and exploit our 
fellow man. As a result of what I found, I have come to the conclusion that 
the vast majority of the American public is out of touch with reality, that 
such folks have unwittingly allowed themselves to have become mercilessly 
entangled in a world of fabrication and make-believe, a nation dominated by 
sheepish yes-men unwilling to face the fact that we, as a nation, are, and 
for some time have been, caught in a downward spiral of moral decline.

I have found it rather common for folks to become a bit upset with people 
like myself who occasionally pass judgment upon our country. In fact some 
have even told me that if I don't like my country then perhaps I ought to 
consider leaving it. Such folks seem to believe that criticizing one's 
country (one that has attained such a high standard of living.. as if such a 
thing should make a difference) is somehow unpatriotic. However, the last 
time I checked there seemed to be no relationship whatsoever between a 
nation's quality of life and that of its moral standards. I have also found 
that individuals that tend to equate criticism of one's country with that of 
being unpatriotic either do not understand the postulates upon which 
democracy is based or that their identity is so terribly intertwined with 
that of their nation that they have seemingly lost the capacity to reason in 
an objective manner. Finally, based upon my experience of having debated 
with such folks, it has become rather clear to me that most of these 
quislings have little or no education as well as being relatively uninformed 
as to what is going on in the world.

Now, if you don't mind, allow me to take a look at a few things that tend to 
bother me regarding the country in which I just happen to have been born... 
the United States of America.

I never cease to be amazed at how terribly ethnocentric the typical American 
tends to be. It is almost as if having been born in the United States 
confers upon one the right to think of himself as a privileged person, a 
contrived sense of status that no doubt lies at the very heart of everything 
that I will discuss in this paper. For example, consider religion.. the fact 
that the majority of Americans look upon Christianity as the one and only 
road that leads to salvation, every other faith a blind alley leading to the 
unending fires of Hell. Next is that of capitalism, a system having 
apparently received the blessing of God as the universally correct way of 
doing business. And then democracy, a political system that apparently no 
one in their right mind has a right to question. Of course there can be no 
doubt that democracy is certainly a stellar way of running a country, but 
must everyone in the world agree? Besides if the religious right (just as 
Moslems in Iraq) were to seize control, don't you think that they (as 
fundamentalists) might be tempted to set up Christianity as the official 
religion in our country rather than that of running a democracy based upon 
the separation of church and state? Think about it... fundamentalists are no 
doubt fundamentalists regardless of the color of "their stripes!" On the 
other hand, one must ask what right we (as citizens of a nation that is a 
mere 231 years from its own inception) have to tell folks living in 
countries not more than a hop, skip, and a jump from the "Garden of Eden" 
how they ought to live their lives. Ethnocentrism yes, but perhaps even 
worse than this is that which such narrow-mindedness almost always brings to 
pass; an unreasoning sense of arrogance generally referred to as that of the 
arrogance of ignorance!

Due to what appears to have been a rather serious lapse of judgment on the 
part of tens of millions of Americans, the voters, for whatever reason 
(perhaps it was a matter of fear), chose to place into power a President (a 
presidential administration) that: may well have laid the groundwork for 
9-11 (the "new Pearl Harbor") that, according to PNAC (Project for the New 
American Century) was needed in order to pave the way for our country's 
military/economic takeover of the world; is in the preparatory stages of 
going to war with Iran (a conflict that will no doubt reign havoc upon our 
nation as well as that of the world); lied to the American people in regards 
to why we went to war with Iraq; lied to citizens in that our government has 
no intention of leaving Iraq given the fact that it is in the process of 
building as many as fourteen "Enduring Military Bases" (enough to house at 
least 100,000 soldiers) along with that of having built the world's largest 
Foreign Embassy located in Baghdad (a 592 million dollar, 104-acre, 
21-building complex); committed war crimes, crimes against humanity, as well 
as high crimes and misdemeanors for which several of our leaders should be 
impeached; condoned the systematic use of torture against prisoners; 
violated the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution by intentionally 
choosing to interfere with the free flow of information to the American 
people; enacted laws (such as that of the Patriot Act) that are seriously 
eroding our freedoms; through the use of the Military Commissions Act, 
granted the President the right to arbitrarily detain, imprison, and torture 
U.S. citizens at that of his own discretion (and without the right of Habeas 
Corpus!); allowed the President to disobey more than 750 U.S. laws through 
the use of so-called "signing statements"; through the passage of the 
Defense Authorization Act of 2007 set the stage for, essentially creating 
the likelihood that, our country might one day become a military 
dictatorship; allowed the United State's military to develop an extremely 
sophisticated, website-based video game (America's Army) to be used as a 
recruitment device that is teaching millions (perhaps as many as nine 
million) of our children to kill human beings with an increased degree of 
efficiency, all of such having desensitized our teenagers to kill others 
with little, or no, psychological pain; has enabled politicians to profit 
immensely from funds awarded to corporate enterprises associated with the 
military-industrial complex; bankrupted the nation by allowing the national 
debt to rise to nine trillion dollars in spite of the fact that the nation's 
actual debt is a little over 59 trillion dollars due to the government's use 
of unorthodox (essentially unethical if not illegal) accounting practices 
that intentionally disregard (essentially misinforming the American people 
with respect to) unfunded promises to reimburse (that is to repay) Medicare, 
Medicaid, Social Security, and an assortment of federal retirement programs; 
and has been absolutely unwilling to take responsibility for the fact that 
we, as a nation, have done more to destroy the ecosystem of our planet than 
anyone else on Earth.

For anyone who has taken the time to study the history of the human race, 
there can be no doubt that one of the primary, if not the primary, cause of 
harm is that of people taking up arms in the name of God. No one in their 
right mind can deny that Jesus, the Buddha, Mohammad, Confucius, or Lao Tse 
were men of good will. However, over the centuries the simple yet profound 
truths taught by these wonderfully wise men have been perverted beyond 
recognition. And, as far as the West is concerned, the greatest perversion 
has been that of the religious right's willingness to accommodate the needs 
of neoconservatives in Washington D.C., a well-thought-out, although no 
doubt surreptitious, plan to allow the Bush-Cheney presidential 
administration to utilize their faith (a plan of salvation that rather 
conveniently ignores the teachings of Jesus, the fact that we should love 
rather than kill others) as a theologically-based (no doubt divinely 
inspired) justification for a cadre of militants all to ready to go to war 
in order that they might one day rule the world... and all of such in 
exchange for political presence, an increased opportunity for the religious 
right to publicize a gospel of family values (a rather fabricated attempt to 
"sugarcoatedly-disguise" an undoubtedly well-documented ideology of 
out-and-out social-political conservatism). Looking back at history, there 
can be little doubt that much the same occurred in the 1980's when Jerry 
Falwell's Moral Majority decided to align itself with Ronald Reagan's tenure 
as President, and, before that, when Germanically-oriented Christians 
decided to go along with, and therefore to support, Adolph Hitler's Nazi 
inspired efforts to rule the world.

Concerning the education (or shall I say the mis-education) of our children 
it is high time that we do the right thing, that we stop lying to our kids 
and begin telling them the truth. The school's job is not to make "good 
citizens" of our children, for in doing such a thing our children end up 
being duped, conditioned, slowly but surely brainwashed, into becoming 
truckling sycophants, bootlicking followers of the status quo. As one who 
has taught college students for the past 41 years, the only task worthy of a 
teacher is that of teaching our kids how to think for themselves, critical 
thinking skills that might perhaps enable them to counter the outrageous 
mendacity of those in power, chauvinistic jingoes who would, through the use 
of propaganda, have our children believe a lie rather than that which is 
true.

Regarding our economy, a capitalistic enterprise focused upon one, and only 
one, thing (the enrichment of the rich euphemistically referred to as that 
of "the American Dream"), we, as Americans (those of us who are rather 
well-to-do), should be ashamed of ourselves, ashamed of having become an 
island of enormous wealth stationed in the midst of a poverty-ridden world 
(not to mention an ever-expanding proportion of our own people who are poor) 
in that we go to bed every night with a willingness to anesthetize ourselves 
to the needs of billions of folks whose lives are inextricably mired in an 
absolutely desperate attempt to simply survive. And then due to what appears 
to be a rather natural correlate of capitalism (activities that no doubt 
follow capitalism wherever it goes), the American people (folks so terribly 
possessed by that which they possess) have developed an apparently 
insatiable appetite to be rich (the capacity to consume anything and 
everything they want), the need to be constantly entertained, a near 
addictive fascination with sex, drugs, gambling, pleasure, power, and 
violence, and all of such no doubt nullifying any legitimate interest in the 
"finer things of life" such as that of developing a meaningful philosophy of 
life, a desire to understand what it means to be a human being, and that 
which might perhaps be worthy of our time here on Earth.

And then based upon the laws of our nation, lobbyists (highly paid 
representatives of the corporate world) have been granted the right to 
converge upon our elected officials for no other reason than to coerce them 
into conducting business in a manner that more often than not benefits the 
rich at the expense of the poor. We, as a people, have been led to believe 
that our votes count when in fact our ballots far too often elect 
congressmen, the majority of which, wait in hiding for a handout (a bribe) 
that will serve to fill their "electoral coffers," and all of such in 
exchange for a simple promise to use their congressional powers to expedite 
the needs of their benefactors who in turn are far too likely to reward 
their compatriots with a well-paid, "post-retirement" position the purpose 
of which is to use their "congressional knowledge" to bribe those who have 
now taken their place; a revolving door of immense corruption that is no 
doubt destroying the foundations of a once democratic republic!

The final, and perhaps most important, reason why I am ashamed to be an 
American is due to the fact that we, more than any other people, have used 
our accumulated wealth (part of which comes from money earned from having 
sold more weapons of war to the rest of the world than the rest of the world 
combined) along with having developed the largest, most destructive military 
force (larger than the accumulated defense budgets of the rest of the world 
combined) since the beginning of time (next year's defense budget will be 
nearly 700 billion dollars!), all the while realizing that if we had proven 
our love for God by using such funds to feed the hungry, medicate the sick, 
clothe the poor, house the homeless, and liberate the oppressed, we would 
have become a nation loved and revered by all.. rather than, as things have 
turned out, having become a land hated by nearly everyone in the world.

In conclusion, in order that you might understand where I am coming from, 
you need to realize that I do in fact have a bit of respect for my country, 
or at least for that which was envisioned by our forefathers, the founders 
of, what has turned out to be, a once great nation. However, just as we 
would with someone we love, we have no choice but to call attention to 
weakness, since in doing such a thing we give our loved ones an opportunity 
to address the problem. It is, and must be, the same with that of the land 
in which we have been born. If we truly care about our country, if we really 
do want our nation to flourish, then we should realize that we have not only 
the right, but, much more importantly, the responsibility, perhaps even, one 
might say, a moral responsibility to point out its deficiencies in order 
that it might once again be revived. For we must remember, as our nation 
goes, so do we... in its flourishing we, as a people, will no doubt thrive, 
but in passing away, we, as a collective society, might well cease to exist.

Doug Soderstrom, Ph.D. is a psychologist and can be reached at 
dougsoderstrom@sbcglobal.net




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 I wonder how much US taxpayer had to pay to convince Oprah that Jews are 
the sufferin' socotashes of the planet 




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            PHILIPPINES: OVER 100 MILITANTS HUNTING DOWN JI BOMBER













Cotobato City, 31 May (AKI) - Over a hundred rebel troops are being deployed 
by the Philippines largest Muslim militant organisation, the Moro Islamic 
liberation Front (MILF), to run after a key bomb expert of the al-Qaeda 
affiliated Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), reportedly hiding in the southern 
Philippines. Eid Kabalu, spokesperson for the MILF, told AdnKronos 
International (AKI) his group's members are hunting down Zulkifli bin Abdul 
Hir Maruwan, also known as Commander Marohom.

He is allegedly a key operative in the JI cell responsible for the 2002 Bali 
bomb attack in which 202 people died.

Kabalu said Zulkifli was last spotted in marshy areas in the border between 
the provinces of Maguindanao and North Cotabato where the MILF has forces.

"Filipino security forces told us that he is in the area and we have to 
catch him dead or alive so we can neutralize terror groups operating in the 
region," Kabalu told AKI.

"We are obliged to work hand in hand with security forces and our commitment 
remains to that," he added.

On May 6, 2002, Manila and MILF created an ad-hoc Joint Action Group charged 
with hunting down militants and criminals in the southern Philippines.

"In their report to us, the military said Maruwan is being harbored by our 
lost command troops. We have been saying there is no such lost command 
operating in the area. But we admitted that there are individuals who were 
with us before but have been influenced by radical groups like the JI," he 
added.

MILF indicate as 'lost command' those commanders who break the chain of 
command and no longer respond to the central leadership.

Born in 1966 in the Malaysian state of Johor, an engineer trained in 
Washington, Zulkifli allegedly heads the Kumpulun Mujahidin Malaysia 
terrorist organization and is a member of JI's central command.

Zulkifli has been in Mindanao since August 2003. In the Philippines he is 
believed to have conducted bomb-making training for the Abu Sayyaf Group.

On March 27, the US government added him in its list of most wanted 
terrorists and upped the bounty on his head to five million dollars.

Washington officials have tapped the MILF in the hunt against JI militants 
hiding in the Philippines; these include JI bomb experts Omar Patek and 
Dulmatin, both accused of several bombings in the region.

Patek is believed to have served as the assistant for the field coordinator 
of the Bali bombings while his companion, Dulmatin, an electronics 
specialist with training in al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, is a senior 
figure of JI.



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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:30:35 EDT 2007
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"Parsifal"  wrote in message 
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> On 1 juin, 06:25, J Young  wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 12:01?am, Ken McVay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> > June 1
>>
>> > 1933
>>
>> > "...the leading Protestant theologian and biblical scholar,
>> > Gerhard Kittel, said, during a public lecture in Tuebingen,
>> > that the Jews, as a well-known matter of common sense, are a
>> > racially constituted, alien body within Germany. He
>> > explicitly considers extermination as a potential
>> > "solution," but rejects it as impractical, and settles on
>> > "guest status" (Fremdlingschaft), namely the separation of
>> > the Jews from their host peoples. (Goldhagen, 126)
>>
>> > 1943
>>
>> > The final liquidation of the Lvov ghetto begins. There is
>> > armed resistance, and three thousand Jews are killed.
>> > Seven thousand are sent to the forced-labor and
>> > concentration camp of Janowska on the edge of the city. ?(USHMM 1993, 
>> > 35)
>>
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Work Cited
>>
>> > Goldhagen, Daniel Jonah. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary 
>> > Germans
>> > ? ?and the Holocaust. ?New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1996
>>
>> > USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>> > ? ?Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
>> > ? ?April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993
>> > --
>> > "My name is not 'Fatbury Scumbag' you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
>> > call is all a pathetic loser like you has! ?You have yet to prove me
>> > wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!" (Scott Bradbury, The Leading
>> > Revisionist Scholar of Bellville, Texas)
>>
>> Question: Do you believe that it should be a crime for someone who has
>> doubts about certain important aspects of the holocaust to discuss
>> those doubts openly and freely
>
> You're a well-known antisemite, you side with holocaust-deniers and
> old nazis that haven't been convicted yet and you think racist jokes
> are funny.
> Is this your way do discuss "openly and freely"?
> Your mere existence is a crime against decency, J fucking Young.

He did not deny anything you stupid uneducated moron. All he wants is to 
investigate your claims about the Holocaust, which are most likely LIES! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:30:35 EDT 2007
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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> oneeyewotan@gmail.com wrote:
>> On 1 june, 11:46, Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>> ad-hominem, you're getting pathetic.
>>
>
> Right! So you denying, he's running a script program for his Zionist 
> propaganda posts?
> JS
Good thing is nobody is reading Mc Vay crap any more! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:30:35 EDT 2007
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"dsharavi@gmail.com"  wrote in message 
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> On May 31, 7:25 am, Aviroce  wrote:
>> SUICIDE BOMBERS ARE NOT KILLING THEMSELVES IDEOLOGICALLY AND
>> RELIGIOUSLY AND PATRIOTICALLY.  THESE PEOPLE ARE HONORABLY DEFENDING
>> THEIR COUNTRIES AND DYING FOR THEM.
>
> On May 31, 7:25 am, Aviroce  wrote:
>> SUICIDE BOMBERS ARE NOT KILLING THEMSELVES IDEOLOGICALLY AND
>> RELIGIOUSLY AND PATRIOTICALLY.  THESE PEOPLE ARE HONORABLY DEFENDING
>> THEIR COUNTRIES AND DYING FOR THEM.
>
> That's nice. Let them do it in the privacy of their own homes, with
> their families lovingly gathered round them, so they can blast off to
> al-Jannat al-'Adn together.
>
> Deborah
THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE PHONY ENCLAVE OF KIKELAND, AND PRETTY SOON IT WILL 
FALL 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:30:36 EDT 2007
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 THE REAL CATASTROPHE IS YOUR BIG FAT, SMELLY CLACKER! YOU OUGHT TO DO 
SOMETHING ABOUT IT 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:30:38 EDT 2007
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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 1, 4:58 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>> Once again
>
> Once again you are (indirectly) responsible for those childrens
> deaths. Why don't you go to Egypt and get your mouth circumcised..
 FUCKING STUPID CROATIAN MORON. YOU GO TO ZAGREB AND SPEW JEWISH HATE AND 
SEE HOW LONG THEY GET YOUR BALLS CIRCUMCISED 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message 
> news:1180736362.042962.231890@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, DoD  wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 4:58 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Once again
>>>
>>> Once again you are (indirectly) responsible for those childrens
>>> deaths. Why don't you go to Egypt and get your mouth circumcised..

MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO KIKELAND AND BEAT UP SOME OF THOSE WOMEN WHO DARE TO 
RIDE IN FRONT OF THE BUS 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
> news:136175v8po34gba@corp.supernews.com...
>> DoD wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 4:58 pm, Theodore Herzl
>>  why not try and justify the MURDER of the two boys ?
>>  you cant, can you ?
>
> It is your actions that cause this crap.
The day is coming soon when Jews will be paying dearly for every drop of 
Palestinian blood they spilled 




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"Stan Engel"  wrote in message 
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>
> "sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
> news:136175v8po34gba@corp.supernews.com...
>> DoD wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 4:58 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>
>>> http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1467
>>>
>>>
>>  why not try and justify the MURDER of the two boys ?
>>  you cant, can you ?
>>  S.
>
> It's easy enough to justify the killing of two and the wounding of another 
> who is now at an Israeli hospital.

It is impossible to justify the murder of anyone anywhere, you stupid idiot. 
Those walls will be coming down very soon, right on top the fucking Jews 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 1, 11:44 am, "Jason P."  wrote:
>> Jews Are Running This Gay Shit
>> For Reals...
>>
>> May 30th, 2007
>>
>> If you're ever looking to take down two social groups at once, head on
>> over to the Kavkaz Center. They've compiled this "exhaustive" list of
>> the gay rights movement's Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The editors explain:
>>
>>     "Here is an exhaustive list proving, once and for all, that the
>> radical homosexual movement in the United States is a Jewish movement.
>> Jews created it and run it from top to bottom. They are pushing the
>> perversion and degeneracy that is spreading disease, sin and sickness
>> through America like a wildfire."
>>
>> So, who are these hideous activists?
>>
>> Well, there are really too many to count (you know those Jews - always
>> multiplying!), but the list includes our old friend and ACT-UP
>> founder, Larry Kramer, the late poet Allen Ginsberg, former Advocate
>> publisher David Goldstein, ACT-UP co-founder and Queerty feature
>> subject, Alan Klein, homo-politico Barney Frank and so many other homo-
>> heebs, you're going to wish you had a silver bullet. That's how you
>> kill a Jew, you know. That or some sort of Holocaust, which we're sure
>> the Kavkaz Center would readily endorse.
>>
>> --- --- --- ---
>> Copyright 2005-2007 Jossip Initiatives<
>
> If us faggot Jews were able to kick Arab ass, imagine how gay they
> must be :)
 Most of the world knows full well that 500 Hezbollah kicked the Jew arse to 
smitherens couple of months ago and killed 137 Idiotic Defecation Fiends 




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 Al Munji the queer bitch should have her filthy trap circumcised! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> [Watch the clip of these children]
>
> Following are excerpts from a report on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV about a
> graduation ceremony of kindergartens of the Islamic Association in
> Gaza. The report was aired on May 31, 2007.
>
> Host: We will now take a short break to present the Palestinian
> childhood, and some scenes from the celebration in the kindergartens
> of the Islamic Association. We followed this ceremony of the
> graduation of the 29th class of the Islamic Association's
> kindergartens. Let's watch the report, and then we'll be back to
> complete the discussion.
>
> Girls' show
>
> [...]
> Host:All the best. Stay with us to watch this performance by the
> children of Palestine.
>
> Boys' show
>
> Boys: Allah Akbar. Praise be to Allah. Allah Akbar. Praise be to
> Allah. Allah Akbar. Praise be to Allah. Allah Akbar. Praise be to
> Allah. Who is your role model? The Prophet. Who is your role model?
> The Prophet. What is your path? Jihad. What is your path? Jihad. What
> is your most lofty aspiration? Death for the sake of Allah. What is
> your most lofty aspiration? Death for the sake of Allah.
> http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1468

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT, USTASHA? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Following are excerpts from a television program about female circumcision
> in Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
  FEMALE CIRCUMCISION PREDATES BOTH CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM AND IS PRACTISED 
IN MOST OF EAST AFRICA BY ALL RELIGIONS INCLUDING CHRISTIANS.

IT IS A DEEP SEATED TRADITION WHICH WILL TAKE MUCH EDUCATION AND EFFORT TO 
ERASE. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT AS WIDESPREAD AS IT WAS FEW YEARS AGO, AND WILL 
EVENTUALLY DISAPPEAR, JUST LIKE THE STONING OF WOMEN IN GREECE DID 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>
>> > Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>> > history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>> > 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of the
>> > Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>> > documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>> > diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>> > sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>> > Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>
>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?

JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 1, 8:35 am, Cazador  wrote:
>> http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1018
>
> Israel should do whatever the ARabs do,

Maybe Israel should seek peace like Arabs do! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Many journalists and others interested in the Middle East are
> unfamiliar with important facts and context about the Six-Day War, and
> thus may mistakenly believe certain canards about the Arab-Israeli
> conflict.
>
> One major canard, for example, is that the starting point of Mideast
> tensions is the "occupation" that began in 1967.

AND  HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU ARE AS STUPID AS A 
DONKEY, UNEDUCATED, AND HAVE NEVER IN YOUR ROTTEN LIFE BEEN TO MIDDLE EAST! 




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> I'm not ashamed to be an American
YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN, YOUR LOYALTY BELONGS TO AMERICA'S WORST 
ENEMY-ISRAEL! 




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"Ian MacLure"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in
> news:CWr7i.13364$JQ3.12419@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
>
>> U.S. soldiers with missing limbs allowed to return to active duty
>> By AP
>
>    The guys they permit back into the war zone could run your
>    ass into the ground.

Sure they could and if they get the artificial leg shot off they can carve 
another onr on the spot.

Arsehole, you have never served in military nor do you know anything about 
it! Screw you! 




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"Mike"  wrote in message 
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> Russia: In Transition or Intransigent?.

Russia owes nobody anything, not loyalty, nor money, nor does it have to 
abide by the imperialist tenets! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:IKY7i.6204$dd.695@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>> Following are excerpts from a television program about female 
>>> circumcision
>>> in Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
>>  FEMALE CIRCUMCISION PREDATES BOTH CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM AND IS 
>> PRACTISED IN MOST OF EAST AFRICA BY ALL RELIGIONS INCLUDING CHRISTIANS.
>
> Got something to back that up?
>
>
>> IT IS A DEEP SEATED TRADITION WHICH WILL TAKE MUCH EDUCATION AND EFFORT 
>> TO ERASE. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT AS WIDESPREAD AS IT WAS FEW YEARS AGO, AND 
>> WILL EVENTUALLY DISAPPEAR, JUST LIKE THE STONING OF WOMEN IN GREECE DID
>
> According to these Egyptian mothers it is part of Islamic law.

They are simple people who tie anything to "Islamic law". There is in fact 
nothing in Islamic law to that effect. Simple proof is: How come bilions of 
muslims in other parts of the world including China do not practise this 
vile custom?

The cleric
> confirms it.

"Cleric" is most probably not qualified to confirm anything, most of them 
are also bought up on traditions not on Islam

You have to separate what tradition is and what religious law is in all 
religions. Does Christianity call for stoning of loose women? Of course not! 
But tradfitional Greek custom does!  (Zorba the Greek)

And the commentator says that this barbaric pracitse is
> spreading among muslims.

Commentator does not know sweet fuck all what he is talking about. In East 
Africa there must be 10,000 social workers from Egypt and other countries 
working to eradicate the deplorable custom, which is practised in the 
impoverished villages of Egypt, Ethiopia,Kenya,Somalia etc. Amongst the 
muslims, Christians,and even amongst the Jews of Ethiopia and Yemen. I have 
discussed this many times with local people there.Some who have gained 
education, denounce the traditional custom, others who are illiterate quote 
vague "law" which has no meaning anywhere in Islam. 




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"sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>>>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>>>>> history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>>> 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of the
>>>>> Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>>> documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>>> diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>>> sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>>> Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>
>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>  It was founded at least 2000 years before the first Israelite arrived.
>  Amazingly I've run across people who believe that it was founded by the
>  mythical King David.
>  S.
Amazing isn't it that some people believe myths like that, even though there 
is no proof of either David or Israelites 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
> news:1361e4qckibu693@corp.supernews.com...
>> ElParedon wrote:
>>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1180729820.114420.189180@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>>>>>> history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>>>> 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>>>> documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>>>> diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>>>> sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>>>> Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>>
>>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>>  It was founded at least 2000 years before the first Israelite arrived.
>>  Amazingly I've run across people who believe that it was founded by the
>>  mythical King David.
>
> I guess those scrolls I saw were "myths".
"Scrolls" are myths, majority of them anyway 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>>>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>>>> > history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>> > 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of 
>>>> > the
>>>> > Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>> > documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>> > diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>> > sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>> > Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>>
>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>
>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>
> Tell that to the Muslims.
 Muslims have never ever built walls around Jerusalem or claimed Jerusalem 
for their own. Palestine want Jerusalem for their capital because it is a 
natural part of Palestine 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>> Many journalists and others interested in the Middle East are
>>> unfamiliar with important facts and context about the Six-Day War, and
>>> thus may mistakenly believe certain canards about the Arab-Israeli
>>> conflict.
>>>
>>> One major canard, for example, is that the starting point of Mideast
>>> tensions is the "occupation" that began in 1967.
>>
>> AND  HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU ARE AS STUPID AS A 
>> DONKEY,
>
> "Guys, all these things appear in Islamic law. Don't think we are making 
> these things up. It all exists [in religious law] and is determined... We 
> say that if the clitoris is so on and so forth... What am I saying? When 
> the Prophet Muhammad met Umm Salama in Al-Madina - what did he say to her? 
> "Are you still doing what you sued to do in Mecca?" In other words, are 
> you still circumcising girls, like you used to do in Mecca? She said: Yes. 
> He said: "Trim it, but don't cut it off." "

YOU ARE A LIAR! THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE HOLY QURAN!
>
>
>> UNEDUCATED, AND HAVE NEVER IN YOUR >ROTTEN LIFE BEEN TO MIDDLE EAST!
>
> Yes I have.
LIAR AGAIN. MAYBE IN KIKELAND, THAT IS NOT MIDDLE EAST!
>
> 




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"Paris Hilton"  wrote in message 
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> Lavrov, you moron.
>
> Since when is Lebanon stabile?
>
> Next you'll probably tell us that no one can take land away from Serbia 
> but it's OK is somebody takes land away from Georgia.

THE POINT IS THAT UNLESS THE TWO PARTIES TO THE DISPUTE AGREE TO THE 
DIVISION, IT IS A WASTE OF TIME.

This was the problem in Middle East and Africa since time immemorial, when 
colonial powers drew the lines arbitrarily and separated people of the same 
land.

Lock Serbs and Albanians in a room and don't let them out until they solve 
their own problem. That kind of agreement is the only one that will hold.
>
> "Otis Willie PIO The American War Library"  
> wrote in message news:2i8163hnjvp0bk0rvt026hvarj56jt9ad5@4ax.com...
>> Moscow warns sharp increase in military aid may 'destablize' Lebanon
>> http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=82682
>>
>> {EXCERPT} Daily Star - Lebanon, Lebanon BERLIN: Russian Foreign Minister 
>> Sergei Lavrov warned Wednesday that the sharp increase in US military aid 
>> to Lebanon could "destabilize" the country....
>>
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>>> [Watch the clip of these children]
>>>
>>> Following are excerpts from a report on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV about a
>>> graduation ceremony of kindergartens of the Islamic Association in
>>> Gaza. The report was aired on May 31, 2007.
>>>
>>> Host: We will now take a short break to present the Palestinian
>>> childhood, and some scenes from the celebration in the kindergartens
>>> of the Islamic Association. We followed this ceremony of the
>>> graduation of the 29th class of the Islamic Association's
>>> kindergartens. Let's watch the report, and then we'll be back to
>>> complete the discussion.
>>>
>>> Girls' show
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> Host:All the best. Stay with us to watch this performance by the
>>> children of Palestine.
>>>
>>> Boys' show
>>>
>>> Boys: Allah Akbar. Praise be to Allah. Allah Akbar. Praise be to
>>> Allah. Allah Akbar. Praise be to Allah. Allah Akbar. Praise be to
>>> Allah. Who is your role model? The Prophet. Who is your role model?
>>> The Prophet. What is your path? Jihad. What is your path? Jihad. What
>>> is your most lofty aspiration? Death for the sake of Allah. What is
>>> your most lofty aspiration? Death for the sake of Allah.
>>> http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1468
>>
>> WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT, USTASHA?
>
> You think it is cool for kindergartners to be shaheeds and you call me 
> ustasa?
 You called me aNazi you son of a whore!
Yes it is OK for all Palestinians of all ages to participate in the 
liberation of Palestine! 




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>>>>> Following are excerpts from a television program about female 
>>>>> circumcision
>>>>> in Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
>>>>  FEMALE CIRCUMCISION PREDATES BOTH CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM AND IS 
>>>> PRACTISED IN MOST OF EAST AFRICA BY ALL RELIGIONS INCLUDING CHRISTIANS.
>>>
>>> Got something to back that up?
>>>
>>>
>>>> IT IS A DEEP SEATED TRADITION WHICH WILL TAKE MUCH EDUCATION AND EFFORT 
>>>> TO ERASE. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT AS WIDESPREAD AS IT WAS FEW YEARS AGO, AND 
>>>> WILL EVENTUALLY DISAPPEAR, JUST LIKE THE STONING OF WOMEN IN GREECE DID
>>>
>>> According to these Egyptian mothers it is part of Islamic law.
>>
>> They are simple people who tie anything to "Islamic law". There is in 
>> fact nothing in Islamic law to that effect. Simple proof is: How come 
>> bilions of muslims in other parts of the world including China do not 
>> practise this vile custom?
>
> It is sporadic in other parts of the Muslim world.
FUCKING LIAR! The tradition is almost extinct!
>
>> The cleric
>>> confirms it.
>>
>> "Cleric" is most probably not qualified to confirm anything, most of them 
>> are also bought up on traditions not on Islam
>
> At least you didn't accuse him of being a Jew or a Mossad agent.
He could be, like you!
>
>> You have to separate what tradition is and what religious law is in all 
>> religions. Does Christianity call for stoning of loose women? Of course 
>> not! But tradfitional Greek custom does!  (Zorba the Greek)
>
> Was a movie.
About stoning to death of a women of easy virtue in Greece, based upon a 
real Greek story!
>
>> And the commentator says that this barbaric pracitse is
>>> spreading among muslims.
>>
>> Commentator does not know sweet fuck all what he is talking about.
>
> He lives over there. You don't.
You are a fucking liar!
>
> 




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>>>>>> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>>>>>>>> history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>>>>>> 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>>>>>> documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>>>>>> diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>>>>>> sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>>>>>> Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>>>>  It was founded at least 2000 years before the first Israelite arrived.
>>>>  Amazingly I've run across people who believe that it was founded by 
>>>> the
>>>>  mythical King David.
>>>
>>> I guess those scrolls I saw were "myths".
>> "Scrolls" are myths, majority of them anyway
>
> Funny, I was staring at a myth?
 NO DOUBT! 




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>>>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>>> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>>>>>>> history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>>>>> 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>>>>> documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>>>>> diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>>>>> sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>>>>> Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>>>
>>>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>>>  It was founded at least 2000 years before the first Israelite arrived.
>>>  Amazingly I've run across people who believe that it was founded by the
>>>  mythical King David.
>>>  S.
>> Amazing isn't it that some people believe myths like that, even though 
>> there is no proof of either David or Israelites
>
> Guess all those coins, pottery, fabric weavers and other Jewish trinkets 
> that I saw with my own eyes were just figments of my imagination.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHARD THAT PROVES EXISTENCE OF ISRAEL 




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>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 3:20 pm, Leo Pardin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 11:21 am, DoD  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>>>>>>> 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>>>>>>> documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>>>>>>> diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>>>>>>> sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>>>>>>> Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>>>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>>>>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>>>>>  It was founded at least 2000 years before the first Israelite 
>>>>> arrived.
>>>>>  Amazingly I've run across people who believe that it was founded by 
>>>>> the
>>>>>  mythical King David.
>>>>>  S.
>>>> Amazing isn't it that some people believe myths like that, even though 
>>>> there is no proof of either David or Israelites
>>>
>>> Guess all those coins, pottery, fabric weavers and other Jewish trinkets 
>>> that I saw with my own eyes were just figments of my imagination.
>>     Doubtless you saw them Sir Fool BUT as you and i know
>>     Jerusalem was inhabited for at least 2000 years b4 the Goat fucking
>>     Israelites infiltrated.
>
> So when the Jebusites return, they can stake their claims.
STAKE YOUR ARSE! NOBODY HAS A CLAIM ON JERUSALEM, NOBODY!
>
> 




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>>>>>> > Jerusalem and the Jewish people are so intertwined that telling the
>>>>>> > history of one is telling the history of the other. For more than
>>>>>> > 3,000 years, Jerusalem has played a central role in the history of 
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > Jews, culturally, politically, and spiritually, a role first
>>>>>> > documented in the Scriptures. All through the 2,000 years of the
>>>>>> > diaspora, Jews have called Jerusalem their ancestral home. This
>>>>>> > sharply contrasts the relationship between Jerusalem and the new
>>>>>> > Islamists who artificially inflate Islam's links to Jerusalem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question that keeps popping up is: Why?
>>>>
>>>> JERUSALEM BELONGS TO NO SINGLE RELIGION, IT BELONGS TO ALL FAITHS
>>>
>>> Tell that to the Muslims.
>> Muslims have never ever built walls around Jerusalem
>
> When Muslims held J'lem, Jews couldn't go to their holy sites....
FUCKING LIAR!  jews lived there with muslims there were no walls or 
barriers, and no checkpoints, so what the fuck are you blabbering about? 




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 > Joe was a Jew hater, much like yourself, you ignorant fucking retard.
>
So is the whole world knucklehead! 




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 I hope that they can restore the eyesight of the Jews! 




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You are forgetting that South African Unions have today passed a boycott of 
all Israeli products and services!

"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> The continent of Europe is committing suicide.
>
> Wednesday's decision by Britain's University and College Union to call
> for a boycott of Israeli universities and colleges was not only
> hypocritical. It was suicidal.
>
> It is not simply that the British prefer to boycott Israeli
> universities than say, Palestinian, Egyptian, Syrian, Iranian, Saudi
> and Jordanian universities where students are indoctrinated to seek
> the annihilation of the Jewish people and the subjugation of
> Christianity through the destruction of Western civilization.
>
> It is not merely that they ignored the poor, brave Iranian students
> who just three weeks ago were brutally attacked by regime forces as
> they sought to hold elections for their pro-democracy campus
> organizations.
>
> By calling for a boycott of Israeli universities, Britain's academic
> establishment is turning its back not only on Israel, but on Britain.
> When Britain's professoriate rejects Israel's right to exist as a
> Jewish, democratic nation-state and glorifies Palestinian society
> which supports global jihad and the destruction of Western
> civilization, they are rejecting the British state.
>
> They are embracing a culture founded on a rejection of the culture and
> traditions that have formed Britain since the Magna Carta was issued
> in 1215. For the past 800 years, Britain has stood for individual
> liberty and freedom of inquiry - at least for the British themselves.
> In universities like Oxford and Cambridge, it was this humanist spirit
> and the justified national and cultural pride it nurtured which
> facilitated Britain's rise to international power. By boycotting
> Israel, which itself embodies these British ideals, the British are
> abrogating their own traditions of openness. Consequently, they are
> destroying themselves.
>
> And Britain is not alone in its self-destruction. Britain's rush to
> oblivion is part of a wider trend overtaking all of Western Europe.
> Take Sweden for example.
>
> Sweden is upheld by leaders of the Israeli Left like former foreign
> minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, (who now devotes himself to attacking the US
> and Israel from his academic perch in Toledo, Spain), Education
> Minister Yuli Tamir, Defense Minister Amir Peretz, Meretz chief Yossi
> Beilin, and former Labor chairman Avrum Burg. They extol Sweden as a
> social democratic wonderland which Israel must emulate.
>
> 12.5 percent of Swedes are immigrants and around half of Sweden's
> immigrants are Muslims. Muslims will soon comprise the majority in
> many of Sweden's cities.
>
> The intrepid Scandinavian blogger 'Fjordman' recently penned an essay,
> "Jihad and the collapse of the Swedish model" in the online Brussels
> Journal. In it he relates the significance of Sweden's Integration Act
> of 1997 to Sweden's national self-destruction. The act officially
> proclaimed Sweden "a multicultural society."
>
> Notes to the act stated, "Since a large group of people have their
> origins in another country, the Swedish population lacks a common
> history. The relationship to Sweden and the support given to the
> fundamental values of society thus carry greater significance for
> integration than a common historical origin."
>
> As 'Fjordman' explains, the act was nothing less than national
> suicide. "Native Swedes have... been reduced to just another ethnic
> group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or
> the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities
> of the country have erased their own people's history and culture."
>
> Fjordman cites authors Jonathan Friedman, Ingrid Bjorkman, Jan
> Elfverson and Ake Wedin who explained in their 2005 book Exit the
> People's Home of Sweden - The Downfall of a Model of Society, that
> multiculturalism, as the "dominant ideology in Sweden, which has been
> made dominant by powerful methods of silencing and repression, is a
> totalitarian ideology, where the elites oppose the national aspect of
> the nation state."
>
> The authors explained that "the problem is that the ethnic group...
> described as Swedes implicitly are considered to be nationalists, and
> thereby are viewed as racists."
>
> Like the totalitarian ideologies of the twentieth century,
> multiculturalism identifies the Jews and the Americans as its chief
> enemies. Both must be defeated for their refusal to destroy themselves
> and merge into the post-national thought stream. And like their 20th
> century predecessors, the multiculturalists of today embrace radical
> Muslims who share their rejection of Judaism and Americanism.
>
> The multiculturalists convince their societies to accept their own
> destruction by indoctrinating their fellow citizens through their
> education systems and media. A recent poll of Swedes between the ages
> of 15-20 showed that 90 percent had never heard of the Soviet gulag.
>
> Needless to say, the consequences of this state of affairs are not
> localized to Europe. As they do towards their own people, the European
> elites work tirelessly to subvert American and Israeli cultural
> confidence and to undermine every action the two nations take to
> combat the forces of global jihad. Whether by condemning the US
> incarceration of jihadists at Guantanamo Bay, claiming that Zionism is
> racism, attacking the US campaign in Iraq, financing Israeli anti-
> Zionist pressure groups and the Palestinian Authority, or insisting
> that Iran should be negotiated with, the EU works to compel the US and
> Israel to stand down rather than defend themselves and to convince
> American and Israeli societies that we are unworthy of being
> defended.
>
> Disturbingly, rather than face-up to Europe's self-destruction and
> give it a wide berth, led by our own post-national elites, Israel and
> the US are adopting the European model of cultural collapse.
>
> The most recent example of the Israeli elites' subversion of their
> country is Attorney General Menachem Mazuz's assault on the Jewish
> National Fund.
>
> Since it was chartered by Theodor Herzl in 1901, financed by donations
> from Jews throughout the world, the JNF has purchased land to promote
> settlement of the land by the Jewish people. The JNF owns some 2.5
> million hectares of land.
>
> In 1961, the JNF signed an agreement with the Israel Lands Authority
> which authorized the ILA to manage JNF lands in accordance with the
> JNF charter. In 2004, the anti-Jewish Arab Israeli pressure group
> Adalah petitioned the Supreme Court demanding that the ILA enable non-
> Jews to settle on JNF lands. Adalah alleged that by acting in
> accordance with the JNF charter, the ILA discriminates against Arabs.
>
> Rather than reject Adalah's claim on its face, or at a minimum cancel
> the 1961 agreement and enable JNF to manage its own lands, Mazuz sided
> with Adalah. Last week he ordered the JNF to stop operating in
> accordance with its charter. That is, Mazuz effectively and with no
> legal authority, expropriated the property of the Jewish people.
>
> In so doing, the Attorney General of the Jewish state essentially
> decided that Zionism is a form of racism and that the Jewish people
> have no special rights to the Land of Israel. No doubt the Swedes are
> proud of him.
>
> The Olmert government has likewise embraced the European model of
> national collapse. Rather than defend Israel's citizens from our
> enemies and cultivate the Jewish character of the state, the
> government seeks to appease the Palestinians, the Syrians, the
> Egyptians and the Europeans at the expense of Israel's citizenry.
>
> At the invitation of successive Israeli governments, Europeans forces
> are deployed today in Hebron, in Gaza and along Israel's northern
> border with Lebanon. These European forces have done nothing to
> prevent the Palestinians from arming, training and attacking Israel.
> Along the Lebanese border, since last summer's war, the Europeans have
> similarly done nothing to prevent Hizbullah from rebuilding its
> arsenals and reasserting its control over southern Lebanon.
>
> And this is to be expected. As Europeans perceive their interests,
> they are better off appeasing the Arabs and the Iranians and
> condemning Israel and the US for every step we take to combat the
> forces of global jihad committed to our destruction.
>
> Rather than acknowledge this reality and work to remove the Europeans
> from our midst, the Olmert government is exacerbating the problem. In
> recent weeks, the government has asked the Europeans to increase the
> size of their forces along the Gaza-Egypt border. Thursday Minister
> for Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman recommended that NATO forces
> be deployed in Gaza. Similarly, Minister Rafi Eitan and far-left
> Meretz MKs Zahava Gal-On and Avshalom Vilan are calling for Arab
> League forces to be deployed to Gaza. Gal-On and Vilan envision the
> Arabs and the Europeans jointly take control over Gaza. For his part,
> Eitan is recommending that Arab armies deploy to Judea and Samaria as
> well.
>
> In the US, the situation is depressingly similar. At leading
> universities, professors and students who openly support Israel and
> the US campaign in Iraq are hounded and isolated. In keeping with the
> general anti-American and anti-Israel gestalt on college campuses,
> last year Harvard University invited former Iranian president Muhammad
> Khatami to speak on campus. Harvard ignored Khatami's stewardship of
> the Iranian nuclear program during his tenure. His role in violently
> quelling the student democracy movement in 1999 and 2003 was similarly
> overlooked.
>
> The Bush administration's foreign policy has likewise been
> Europeanized. Five years after President George W. Bush placed Iran
> and North Korea firmly in the axis of evil, the State Department is
> working overtime to appease them both. In line with this policy, on
> Tuesday, Iran's announcement that it had arrested five US citizens and
> is charging them with espionage was greeted by embarrassment and
> paralysis in Washington. Just the day before Secretary of State
> Condoleezza Rice had dispatched the US ambassador in Baghdad to meet
> with his Iranian counterpart.
>
> The US's treatment of North Korea is perhaps even more dramatic.
> Rather than abandon its appeasement policy towards Pyongyang after the
> North Koreans breached their commitment to close their nuclear
> facility at Yongbyon in April, the Bush administration has redoubled
> its efforts to placate the Stalinist dictatorship. Not only did the US
> have little to say about the North Korean short-range missile tests
> over Japan last week. It sent its emissaries to Beijing this week to
> attempt to buy North Korean compliance with its breached commitment by
> unfreezing Pyongyangs's bank accounts in Macau. The US treasury froze
> those accounts when it discovered that they were being used to launder
> profits from counterfeit US currency and drug deals.
>
> Then there is the US's refusal to abandon pressure on Israel to
> appease the Palestinians. At a time when jihadists from Iraq have
> panned out to Lebanon and Algeria and are actively working to
> overthrow those countries' governments, Tuesday Rice claimed that the
> Palestinian conflict with Israel is "at the core of a lot of problems
> in the region."
>
> During the Cold War, protected by the US military, Europeans could
> embrace cultural and national suicide without fearing the consequences
> of their actions. Now faced with those consequences, the Europeans
> have embraced their own destruction rather than abandon their
> multicultural model and its concomitant anti-Americanism and anti-
> Zionism.
>
> Israel and the US do not have anyone else to defend them. And in spite
> of the rantings of their cultural, media and academic elites, the
> Israeli and American people have no interest in committing national
> suicide. In light of this, both countries must move swiftly to end the
> Europeanization of their cultures and policies.
>
> http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0607/glick060107.php3?printer_friendly
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
> news:1361fpt6q2bph61@corp.supernews.com...
>> DoD wrote:
>>> "melchizedek"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1361duupsdan59e@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> DoD wrote:
>>>>> "sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:136175v8po34gba@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> DoD wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 4:58 pm, Theodore Herzl
>>>>>>  why not try and justify the MURDER of the two boys ?
>>>>>>  you cant, can you ?
>>>>> It is your actions that cause this crap.
>>>>   Oh, so its "blame the victim" day in Israel is it ?
>>>>   Like Poland provoked Germany to invade ?
>>>
>>> No... it is blame the right people day.... You and the clerics.
>>   The Rabbis are 2 blame ?
>
> No, you and the palarabs. Possibly even the Jews for running the universe.
Jews are shit, the more you poke into them the more they stink! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:sg28i.14060$JQ3.13393@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:1180735447.743166.83940@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jun 1, 4:58 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>>>> Once again
>>>
>>> Once again you are (indirectly) responsible for those childrens
>>> deaths. Why don't you go to Egypt and get your mouth circumcised..
>> FUCKING STUPID CROATIAN MORON. YOU GO TO ZAGREB AND SPEW JEWISH HATE AND 
>> SEE HOW LONG THEY GET YOUR BALLS CIRCUMCISED
>
> I don't spout hate. That is your job.... I tell the truth.
ZioNazi truth! I agree! 




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>> Al Munji the queer bitch should have her filthy trap circumcised!
>
> Al-Munji is a man..... An ISLAMIC cleric.... Here is his words regarding 
> ISLAM and female circumcision

MAN OR NOT HE IS A LIAR, QURAN DOES NOT EVEN MENTION CIRCUMCISION OF ANY 
KIND 




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Sadrist traitor defects
Al-Shamri has found a new life in the US after spilling the beans, reports 
Nermeen Al-Mufti from Baghdad

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Despite operation imposing law, which started three months ago, Baghdad is 
still a city haunted by death. An average of 24 dead bodies, all killed in 
mysterious circumstances, are found in the capital's streets every day. 
According to US reports, May has been one of the worst months for the US 
forces -- over 115 US servicemen have been killed so far.

The most important news of the week, however, was the reappearance of 
Moqtada Al-Sadr. The Shia leader who has been in hiding since February 
appeared in the Koufa Mosque during the Friday prayers. According to US 
authorities, Al-Sadr was in Iran, hiding with other leaders of the Mahdi 
Army. But Al-Sadr aides say that he was living a secluded life in Najaf and 
never left the country. Al-Maliki's government has not commented on the 
matter. A media source close to Al-Sadr told me that he used to call him 
>from an Iraqi mobile phone during the entire period he was in hiding.

As soon as he reappeared, Al-Sadr called on the occupation forces to 
withdraw or set a timetable for withdrawal.

But, aside from his surprising reappearance, something else is likely to 
attract media attention to Al-Sadr. The former health minister and one- time 
Sadrist, Ali Al-Shamri, who withdrew from the government after Al-Sadr 
pulled his ministers from the cabinet, has applied for asylum in the US.

Much has been said about the former health minister, including claims that 
he turned the Health Ministry into a haven for death squads. The accusations 
against Al-Shamri intensified after Ali Al-Mahdawi, health chief in Diyali, 
disappeared a year ago. Al-Mahdawi had come to meet Al-Shamri to discuss his 
nomination by the (Sunni) Reconciliation Block for the job of deputy health 
minister. After entering Al-Shamri's office, he was never seen again.

The daily Al-Zaman claims that Al-Shamri, who is accused of leading the 
death squads and selling bodies from the Baghdad morgue, gave the Americans 
information about the Mahdi Army in return for asylum.

Al-Shamri is said to have provided the US authorities in Iraq with detailed 
information about Iranian weapon supplies to the Mahdi Army, the connections 
between the Mahdi Army commanders and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the 
safe houses in which the Mahdi army commanders meet in Baghdad, and the 
names of those commanders. The information he provided enticed the Americans 
to grant him asylum and move him aboard a helicopter from Baghdad to a US 
airport.

In a related development, the occupation authorities conveyed to Moqtada 
Al-Sadr an unwritten request to help improve the situation in the country. 
Last Sunday, Al-Sadr met 100 of his top aides for 3 hours at his Najaf home. 
In an interview with Al-Ahram Weekly, Sheikh Raad Al-Sakhri, who is in 
charge of Al-Sadr's office in Kirkuk, said that the news about Al-Shamri's 
application for asylum in the US was not yet confirmed. Concerning the 
meeting of Moqtada and his supporters, Al-Sakhri denied that the meeting was 
held in response to the US request, but rather to discuss policy, internal 
matters, and the prospects for cooperation with the Sunnis. The daily 
newspaper Al-Zaman quoted Moqtada's PR officer, Sheikh Salah Al-Obeidi, as 
saying that the "aim of the meeting attended by Al-Sadr was to formulate 
mechanisms to dispose of the routines that circumstances in the country had 
imposed on us."

In reaction to accusations that the Mahdi Army was receiving Iranian weapons 
and training, Al-Sakhri said that the weapons used by the Mahdi Army 
belonged to the disbanded Iraqi army and that the Mahdi supporters were not 
receiving any assistance from Iran. "Had the [Mahdi Army] been receiving 
Iranian support, it would have expelled the occupiers a long time ago, due 
to the effectiveness and sophistication of Iranian weapons."

Al-Sakhri added that, "the occupation authorities and those who cooperate 
with them have created the death squads to spread sectarian sedition, 
whether those death squads were Shia or Sunni." The Mahdi Army, he said, was 
still committed to peaceful resistance, and was not going to attack the 
occupation forces unless different orders were issued by Moqtada Al-Sadr.

When I asked Al-Sakhri about the searches being conducted in Al-Sadr City 
and Al-Basra against members of the Sadr movement, he said that those 
searches were not related to the reappearance of Al-Sadr, but had been 
ongoing since operation imposing law started. However, according to well- 
informed sources, the house searches followed Al-Shamri's disclosure of the 
names of death squad leaders and their addresses to the occupation 
authorities, and the occupation authorities say that they confiscated 
quantities of modern Iranian anti-armour weapons. A source close to Moqtada 
said that he has ordered an investigation into the dossiers of his 
supporters with a view to expelling the "traitors".

Al-Sakhri added that there were certain people who used the Samaraa incident 
of February 2006 to kill and attack Sunni mosques in the name of the Mahdi 
Army, but the latter was never involved in those attacks. The Mahdi Army was 
not involved in sectarian violence and accusations to this effect were 
untrue, he said.

But it is getting harder and harder to paper over the cracks. A key figure 
in the Sadr movement disclosed that "differences between Al-Maliki and Sadr 
supporters worsened last week. Those differences are no longer confined to 
the poor method in which ministers are selected." The differences seem to 
focus on the new law for the provinces as well as the deteriorating security 
situation, he added.

Moqtada Al-Sadr told his supporters that the blood of Iraqis -- whether 
Muslims, Shiites, Sunnis, or Christians -- mustn't be shed. But Al-Sadr has 
said that in the past, a Sunni source speaking on condition of anonymity 
said. Last March, Al-Sadr called for a ban on the killing of Iraqis. That 
was only a few days after the Samaraa crime. And yet the sectarian violence 
continued. Thousands of Sunnis were killed and their mosques were burned. 
And the evidence all pointed to the Mahdi Army. The killing spree continued 
until operation imposing law started, the Sunni source said.

Moqtada's followers consistently denied the charges, claiming that their 
ranks had been infiltrated or that someone else was fanning sectarian 
violence and blaming it on them. What is needed, the Sunni source said, is 
first the withdrawal of the occupation forces, and then for the sides to sit 
down face to face and take a real step to end the sedition and bring Iraq 
back from the abyss. The Sunnis have been willing, and are still willing, to 
extend a hand in peace to those who want to end the sedition, ban the 
killing of Iraqis, and expel the occupiers, he added.

Political analyst Amr Al-Azzawi told me that, "certain people are definitely 
running the death squads with guile, using the fact that Al-Sadr City is 
large and densely populated. It is one of the poorest and most populated 
areas of Baghdad. The occupation forces said the leaders of the death squads 
escaped into Iran, then said that they returned. How did they learn about 
their departure and return? And why did they not arrest them when they came 
back?" He added that much was said about the link between the Mahdi Army and 
the death squads, but there was no evidence so far.

Al-Azzawi called on Al-Maliki's government to implement the promises it made 
in Sharm El-Sheikh and disband the militias. "The solution is not in 
integrating militiamen in the security forces. The militiamen are 
criminals," he said.




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On Jun 2, 2:22 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote innews:1L28i.14079$JQ3.10400@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
>
> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >news:Xns9941C9B02423Aibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in
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> >>> U.S. soldiers with missing limbs allowed to return to active duty
> >>> By AP
>
> >>    The guys they permit back into the war zone could run your
> >>    ass into the ground.
>
> > Sure they could and if they get the artificial leg shot off they can carve
> > another onr on the spot.
>
>         Ever seen one of those suckers. There's not really too much
>         to shoot at.
>
> > Arsehole,
>
>         Wrong.
>
> >you have never served in military
>
>         Wrong.
>
> >nor do you know anything about it!
>
>         Wrong.
>
> >Screw you!
>
>         Go thou and do likewise.
>
>         Give it up Abdool.
>         Even "crippled" US soldiers are too much for you.
>         Thats why it takes so many of you turds to kill one of ours.
>
>         IBM

ONLY A COMPLETE IDIOT WITHOUT FAITH OR EDUCATION WOULD TAKE PRIDE IN
KILLING ANYONE



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It is a matter of firm historical fact that the current Jewish citizens of 
Israel have no ethnic or historical ties to Jerusalem.

They are Ashkenazi Jews, which means their roots are Turkic/Mongolian and 
not Semitic.

The Sephardim Jews, who are descendents of the original occupiers of the 
Holy Land, do not like their converted brothers and there are very few of 
them in Israel today.

It is the Ashkenazi who poured into Poland and Russia and then tried to 
infiltrate into Europe in the 1920s.

It is the Ashkenazi who then flooded into Jerusalem, inflicting a wave of 
terror on the British military stationed there and on the Arabs who had 
lived there for two thousand years.

It is the Ashkenazi who have spied on and betrayed America, first to Soviet 
Russia, where they ran the country until recently, and then to Israel.

This offshoot of Judaism is loyal only to itself and to the state of Israel 
and will do anything in her behalf, including treason and, in the case of 
9/11, to support and encourage the Arab terrorists who blew up the WTC and 
the Pentagon.

As cases in point, we could consider the Rosenbergs or Pollard but instead, 
let us look at one Lawrence Anthony Franklin, who was employed by the United 
States government at the Department of Defense (DoD) in the Office of the 
Secretary of Defense (OSD), International Security Affairs (ISA), Office of 
Near East and South Asia, Office of Northern Gulf Affairs, Iran desk, and 
held a Top Secret security clearance with access to Sensitive Compartmented 
Information (SCI). FRANKLIN'S office was located within the Pentagon, in the 
Eastern District of Virginia.

FRANKLIN was also a Colonel in the United States Air Force Reserve (USAFR).

(Note: This material comes directly from the official Federal indictment of 
Franklin, which is public record, though not easily located. We will publish 
it in a future edition. ed.)

The Offense

Between on or about August I S, 2002 and continuing until on or about June 
30, 2004, in the Eastern District of Virginia and elsewhere, defendant 
LAWRENCE ANTHONY FRANKLIN, an employee of the United States, did unlawfully 
and knowingly conspire, confederate, and agree, with persons known and 
unknown iv the Grand jury, to commit the following offense against the 
United States: to communicate in a manner and by a means, to a person whom 
defendant FRANKLIN knew and had reason to believe was an agent and 
representative of a foreign government, information of a kind which had been 
classified by the head of a United States agency with the approval of the 
President, as affecting the security of the United States, said defendant 
having known and having had reason to know that such information had been so 
classified, a violation of Title 50, United States Code, Section 783(a).

On January. 20, 2006, a federal judge sentenced former Defense Department 
analyst, Lawrence A. Franklin, to more than 12 years in prison after Mr. 
Franklin admitted passing classified military information to two pro-Israel 
lobbyists and an Israeli diplomat.

This critique is not aimed at the bulk of America's Jewish population but at 
the so-called Likudists and Zionists. Most of America's Jewish community are 
Reformed Jews and there is no love lost between the two but unfortunately, 
the majority often suffers the consequences of the actions of the minority.

The Zionists are personified by the rabid so-called neocons who have 
basically taken over control of America's foreign policy and whose sole goal 
is to guarantee full and unconditional American support for the state of 
Israel.

Their loyalty is only to that state and to date they have embroiled this 
country in a series of confrontations with their enemies that has cost 
America billions of dollars and the lives of thousands of her young 
soldiers.

If this is not checked, and checked immediately, in the end, Israel will 
cheerfully drag everyone into a series of violent conflicts with ultimately 
fatal results for all the participants.

We can always learn from history. I dug this quote from Benjamin Franklin: 
out of my files. It sums the matter up very cogently but I doubt if you can 
find it in any public school history book or even on Wikipedia. Under the 
circumstances, especially on Wikipedia.

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young 
nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, 
is the Jews.

"In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have 
lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have 
segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and 
tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, 
by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; 
and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, 
as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

"For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that 
they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But 
gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once 
find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and 
vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. 
They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

"If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, 
in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers 
that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of 
government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our 
substance and jeopardized our liberty.

"If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be 
working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the 
counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not 
exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.

"Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how 
many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. 
Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even though they 
live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots.

"Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and 
should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention."

(Statement made in "Chit chat around the table during intermission", at the 
Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded 
in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South 
 Carolina."




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It is quite common in the parts of Bulgaria, Romania and Balkans for girls 
that age to marry older men even today!

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> Controversies about the age of Aisha
>
> By Ali Sina
>
> The majority of Muslims agree that Aisha  was only 9 years old when
> the Prophet married her. The following site makes no apology for her
> young age and accuses the modernists for humbugging the Westerns
> morality and denying the truth.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://admin.muslimsonline.com/~islamawe/Polemics/aishah.html
>
> This site also defends Muhammad for marrying Aisha  at 9 claiming that
> girls reach puberty at that age and therefore are considered adult and
> having sex with them at such tender age is acceptable.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://bismikaallahuma.faithweb.com/aishah.html
>
> However there are some "modernist" Muslims who dispute this fact.
> They argue:
>
> (taken from http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm)
>
>    * According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha  (ra) was
> born about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another
> narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) Aisha  (ra) is reported to
> have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the
> Qur'an, was revealed, "I was a young girl". The 54th surah of the
> Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this
> tradition, Aisha  (ra) had not only been born before the revelation of
> the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an
> infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to
> be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by
> Hisham ibn `urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments
> of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why we should
> not accept this narrative to be more accurate.
>
> Answer:
> Even if we assume this narrative to be accurate, we have no reason to
> give it more weight than those that are so detailed about Aisha 's
> age, describing her playing with her dolls, talking about her
> girlfriends coming to play with her and hiding when Muhammad entered
> the room, her memories of playing on the swing when her mother called
> her and washed her face and took her to Muhammad, her ignorance of
> what was going on and her "surprise" when Muhammad got into action
> taking his role as the husband, etc. These events are more likely to
> be remembered by someone of her childhood than when a particular Surah
> was revealed. It is more probable that a person confuse one Surah with
> the other than confuse all those details of her own life.
>
>    * According to a number of narratives, Aisha  (ra) accompanied the
> Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also
> reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of
> 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys
> below 15 years of age were sent back. Aisha 's (ra) participation in
> the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not nine or
> ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to
> the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them.
>
> Answer:
> This is a weak excuse. When the Battle of Badr and Ohud occurred
> Aisha  was 10 to 11 years old. She did not go to be a warier, like the
> boys. She went to keep Muhammad warm during the nights. Boys who were
> less than 15 were sent back, but this did not apply to her.
>
>    * According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder
> sister of Aisha  (ra) was ten years older than Aisha  (ra). It is
> reported in Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that
> Asma (ra) died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously
> if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or
> 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years
> old at the time of hijrah, Aisha  (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years
> old at that time. Thus, Aisha  (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after
> hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her
> marriage.
>
> Answer:
> When someone gets that old, people don't care too much about her exact
> age. It is very easy to say she was 100 years old when in fact she was
> only 90. The difference is not noticeable to the younger folks and 100
> is a round figure. Assuming the Hadith is authentic, it could be an
> honest mistake. Since in those days people did not carry birth
> certificates, it is very much likely that the person who reported her
> age to be 100 did not know that she was 10 years older than Aisha  and
> did not sit to make the calculations and deductions. She was not an
> important person and it did not occur to anyone that 1300 years later
> it would become the subject of a controversy. This could be a genuine
> mistake by the narrator of the Hadith.
>
>    * Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu
> Bakr (ra) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were
> born during the Jahiliyyah -- the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if
> Aisha  (ra) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have
> been less than 14 years in 1 AH -- the time she most likely got
> married.
>
> Answer:
> Tabari's narratives do not have the distinction to be known Sahih.
> Even if we assumed that this narratives is not forged, there is no
> reason to discard all those strong, detailed and explicit hadithes
> that concord with each other and confirm the age of Aisha  was 9 when
> she married the Prophet, to accept this narrative that, could very
> well be also an innocent slip on the part of the narrator. People
> remember important events better than those that are relatively
> insignificant. The date of the birth of the children of Abu Bakr was
> not an important subject for Muslims to record. But the details of the
> Prophet's marriages were more important. As you can read in the story
> of Safiyah's wedding even the kind of food served is recorded.
>
>
>
>    * According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Aisha  (ra) accepted
> Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (ra). This shows that
> Aisha  (ra) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if
> the narrative of Aisha 's (ra) marriage at seven years of age is held
> to be true, Aisha  (ra) should not have been born during the first
> year of Islam.
>
> Answer:
> The apologist fails to provide the references to the hadithes that he
> quotes. But obviously this is an error. To understand and accept a
> religion, one must he at least intelligent enough to make such
> decision. That is about 15 years old. But let us be generous and say
> that age is about 12. If Aisha  accepted Islam during the first year
> of Islam, she must have been 26 years old when Muhammad married her.
> (12 + 14) First of all, in those days girls married at much younger
> age. No one stayed that long to get married. And it is very unlikely
> that a 26-year-old woman plays with her dolls. It shows that some of
> the Muslim apologists are embarrassed of what the Prophet did and are
> desperately looking for excuses to exonerate him of his
> improprieties.
>
>    * Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on
> migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am --
> with whose son Aisha  (ra) was engaged -- and asked him to take Aisha
> (ra) in his house as his son's wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr
> had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son divorced Aisha  (ra).
> Now, if Aisha  (ra) was only seven years old at the time of her
> marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on
> migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only
> reasonable to assume that Aisha  (ra) had not only been born 8 years
> before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.
>
> Answer:
> It was an Arab tradition to betroth a girl to a boy even when the girl
> was a newborn. This tradition is still carried on in many Islamic
> countries. This is no proof that Aisha  was a grown up.
>
>    * According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the
> death of Khadijah (ra), when Khaulah (ra) came to the Prophet (pbuh)
> advising him to marry again, the Prophet (pbuh) asked her regarding
> the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: "You can marry a virgin
> (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)". When the
> Prophet (pbuh) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Aisha
> 's (ra) name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware that
> the word "bikr" in the Arabic language is not used for an immature
> nine year old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as
> stated earlier is "Jariyah". "Bikr" on the other hand, is used for an
> unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a "lady".
>
>
>
> Answer:
> This explanation is absolutely incorrect. Bikr means virgin and, just
> as in English is not age specific. In fact Aisha  was the second wife
> of Muhammad (after Khadijah) but Muhammad did not consummate his
> marriage with her for three years because she was too young. Instead
> he had to content himself with Umma Salamah,  until Aisha  matured a
> little bit more.  It would not have made sense to marry a beautiful
> woman like Aisha  and wait for three years to take her home.
>
>
>
>    * According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than
> Aisha  (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the
> Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is
> taken to be correct, Aisha  (ra) could by no means be less than 14
> years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of
> her marriage.
>
> Answer:
> Of course this information cannot be taken as correct. If Aisha  was
> five years older than Fatimah, and Fatimah was born when the Prophet
> was 35 years old, then Aisha  was only 30 years younger than the
> Prophet. So at the time of her marriage when the Prophet was 54,
> Aisha  must have been 24 yeas old. This is not certainly correct, for
> the reasons explained above and also it contradicts the Hadith that
> the apologist quoted about the age of Asma, Aisha 's sister, who
> according to that Hadith was 10 years older that Aisha  and died in 73
> Hijra. So at the time of Hijra Asma must have been 100 -73 = 27 years
> old, but according to this Hadith she was 34 years old.
>
> The discrepancy between these two hadithes quoted by the same
> apologist, demonstrate their inaccuracy. It all goes to show that in
> those days numbers did not mean much. It is more likely that people
> forget the dates. But events are better remembered. The reports of the
> tender age of Aisha  is consistent with the stories of her childhood,
> playing with her toys, her girlfriends hiding when Muhammad entered
> the room, the Prophet playing with her, her ignorance and "surprise"
> in the night of the nuptials, etc. All those hadithes confirm that she
> was a little girl. Those who deny the facts and try to prove
> otherwise, demonstrate their embarrassment of the acts of the Prophet.
> Perhaps they should be credited for having some scruples and realizing
> that what the Prophet did was wrong but we cannot praise them for
> their intellectual honesty or lack of it.
>
> Finally the apologist concludes:
>
>    *  "In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away
> girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the
> Prophet (pbuh) marry Aisha  (ra) at such a young age. The people of
> Arabia did not object to this marriage, because it never happened in
> the manner it has been narrated."
>
> Answer:
> I respect his opinion, but disagree with him completely. Not only this
> WAS the tradition of the Arabs, it is still their tradition and it has
> become the tradition of other counties that converted to Islam. Even
> up to this day it is very common to find girls as young as 9-years
> given for matrimony. Of course the reason that no one objected to the
> marriage of Muhammad and a 9-year-old girl, is because it was a
> costume. The reason when it was reported in so many hadithes that
> neither the author nor the scholars objected is because it was nothing
> out of the ordinary.
>
> Just a few weeks ago I read in the news that in Iran a 9-year-old girl
> filed for divorce from her 15-year-old husband just after 20 days of
> marriage because he would constantly beat her. When the young man was
> questioned he said: "She neglects her housework and plays with her
> dolls all the time".
>
>
>
> Read also
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> How Jimmy Carter Helped Trash Venezuela's Free Press
> A.M. Mora y Leon
> As American Thinker noted here yesterday, Jimmy Carter came out with some 
> crocodile tears for the ongoing turmoil in Venezuela's democracy over the 
> issue of free speech. Does anyone realize the extent to which Jimmy Carter 
> created the conditions that led to today's turmoil in Venezuela?

I wish all of us would be concerned about the issue of free speech in these 
United States which is fast eroding 




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"Tonico"  wrote in message 
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> On 3 jun, 06:36, schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote:
>> WTC Towers: The case for controlled demolition
>> By Herman Schoenfeld
> *************************************************

Stupid are the people who believe that aircraft fuel could warm up 47 , 4 
foot steel columns in order for them to collapse inside an hour. No way. 
Read the experts opinin. WTC was blown up using thermate compound. 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f3tdt0$p0c$1@aioe.org...
> Cazador wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 8:00 pm, "Binjamin Cram'er"  wrote:
>> > Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
>> >
>> > Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi
>> > Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the
>> > Gentiles should all be killed").
>> >
>> > This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the
>> > original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907
>> > Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by
>> > Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
>> >
>> > This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The
>> > Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the
>> > reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being
>> > generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the
>> > heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
>> >
>> > Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave
>> > of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the
>> > extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
>> >
>> > On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an
>> > orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians,
>> > including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque.
>> > Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated
>> > that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60
>> > Minutes, "Kahane").
>> >
>> > Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and
>> > Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they
>> > commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY
>> > Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
>> >
>> > Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish
>> > blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times,
>> > June 6, 1989, p.5).
>> >
>> > Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish
>> > fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
>>
>> Deborah/Elizabeth? The ball's in your court.
>
>
> These have been responded to on several occasions.

Respond again! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1180833214.417068.54650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 2, 8:00 pm, "Binjamin Cram'er"  wrote:
>>> Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
>>>
>>> Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon 
>>> ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should 
>>> all be killed").
>>>
>>> This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original 
>>> Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish 
>>> Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore 
>>> Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
>>>
>>> This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The 
>>> Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading 
>>> has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally 
>>> substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor 
>>> Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
>>>
>>> Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of 
>>> Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of 
>>> non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
>>>
>>> On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an 
>>> orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, 
>>> including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein 
>>> was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of 
>>> Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
>>>
>>> Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's 
>>> philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence 
>>> against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 
>>> 1994, p. 5).
>>>
>>> Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood 
>>> and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, 
>>> p.5).
>>>
>>> Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish 
>>> fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
>>
>> Deborah/Elizabeth? The ball's in your court.
>
> Deborah has already gone through this. And why would an Episcopalian 
> (Elizabeth) know about Talmud?

And why would you, an ustasha know about it? 




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"Tester"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:56:49 GMT, "Moishe Lipschitz, M.D."
>  wrote:
>
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>
> pool-71-172-178-175.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.172.178.175]
>
> Whom do we know who would post a Kluxer nutcase (David Duke) defending
> a Nazi nutcase (Ernst Zundel) to soc.culture.jewish,alt.circumcision
> and soc.men  and connects to the internet via a Newark, NJ Verizon
> line?

You are speaking about Dr. David Duke, you moron, he has more knowledge in 
his little finger than you and your gang have all together 




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"Tiny Johnson"  wrote in message 
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> What crime has he committed except for disagreeing with jews?

Right know, my friend, disagreenig with the Jews can kill you!
>
> "Tester"  wrote in message 
> news:44a463tknkveqvt2tt0fp12pqhnd06efs8@entropy.org...
>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:56:49 GMT, "Moishe Lipschitz, M.D."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.172.178.175
>>
>> pool-71-172-178-175.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.172.178.175]
>>
>> Whom do we know who would post a Kluxer nutcase (David Duke) defending
>> a Nazi nutcase (Ernst Zundel) to soc.culture.jewish,alt.circumcision
>> and soc.men  and connects to the internet via a Newark, NJ Verizon
>> line?
>>
>> It sounds far more like Avenger than a Dr. Moishe Lipschitz.
>>
>> IMHO, Zundel should be deported to one of the Nazi UFO bases in the
>> hollow earth about which he has written and sold pamphlets. He will be
>> perfectly safe provided, of course, that he wasn't promoting b.s. and
>> all the stuff he wrote about this topic is true.
>>
>> -- 
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
> 




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"sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> It is a matter of firm historical fact that the current Jewish citizens 
>> of Israel have no ethnic or historical ties to Jerusalem.
>>
>> They are Ashkenazi Jews, which means their roots are Turkic/Mongolian and 
>> not Semitic.
>>
>> The Sephardim Jews, who are descendents of the original occupiers of the 
>> Holy Land, do not like their converted brothers and there are very few of 
>> them in Israel today.
>>
>> It is the Ashkenazi who poured into Poland and Russia and then tried to 
>> infiltrate into Europe in the 1920s.
>>
>> It is the Ashkenazi who then flooded into Jerusalem, inflicting a wave of 
>> terror on the British military stationed there and on the Arabs who had 
>> lived there for two thousand years.
>>
>> It is the Ashkenazi who have spied on and betrayed America, first to 
>> Soviet Russia, where they ran the country until recently, and then to 
>> Israel.
>>
>> This offshoot of Judaism is loyal only to itself and to the state of 
>> Israel and will do anything in her behalf, including treason and, in the 
>> case of 9/11, to support and encourage the Arab terrorists who blew up 
>> the WTC and the Pentagon.
>>
>> As cases in point, we could consider the Rosenbergs or Pollard but 
>> instead, let us look at one Lawrence Anthony Franklin, who was employed 
>> by the United States government at the Department of Defense (DoD) in the 
>> Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), International Security Affairs 
>> (ISA), Office of Near East and South Asia, Office of Northern Gulf 
>> Affairs, Iran desk, and held a Top Secret security clearance with access 
>> to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). FRANKLIN'S office was 
>> located within the Pentagon, in the Eastern District of Virginia.
>>
>> FRANKLIN was also a Colonel in the United States Air Force Reserve 
>> (USAFR).
>>
>> (Note: This material comes directly from the official Federal indictment 
>> of Franklin, which is public record, though not easily located. We will 
>> publish it in a future edition. ed.)
>>
>> The Offense
>>
>> Between on or about August I S, 2002 and continuing until on or about 
>> June 30, 2004, in the Eastern District of Virginia and elsewhere, 
>> defendant LAWRENCE ANTHONY FRANKLIN, an employee of the United States, 
>> did unlawfully and knowingly conspire, confederate, and agree, with 
>> persons known and unknown iv the Grand jury, to commit the following 
>> offense against the United States: to communicate in a manner and by a 
>> means, to a person whom defendant FRANKLIN knew and had reason to believe 
>> was an agent and representative of a foreign government, information of a 
>> kind which had been classified by the head of a United States agency with 
>> the approval of the President, as affecting the security of the United 
>> States, said defendant having known and having had reason to know that 
>> such information had been so classified, a violation of Title 50, United 
>> States Code, Section 783(a).
>>
>> On January. 20, 2006, a federal judge sentenced former Defense Department 
>> analyst, Lawrence A. Franklin, to more than 12 years in prison after Mr. 
>> Franklin admitted passing classified military information to two 
>> pro-Israel lobbyists and an Israeli diplomat.
>>
>> This critique is not aimed at the bulk of America's Jewish population but 
>> at the so-called Likudists and Zionists. Most of America's Jewish 
>> community are Reformed Jews and there is no love lost between the two but 
>> unfortunately, the majority often suffers the consequences of the actions 
>> of the minority.
>>
>> The Zionists are personified by the rabid so-called neocons who have 
>> basically taken over control of America's foreign policy and whose sole 
>> goal is to guarantee full and unconditional American support for the 
>> state of Israel.
>>
>> Their loyalty is only to that state and to date they have embroiled this 
>> country in a series of confrontations with their enemies that has cost 
>> America billions of dollars and the lives of thousands of her young 
>> soldiers.
>>
>> If this is not checked, and checked immediately, in the end, Israel will 
>> cheerfully drag everyone into a series of violent conflicts with 
>> ultimately fatal results for all the participants.
>>
>> We can always learn from history. I dug this quote from Benjamin 
>> Franklin: out of my files. It sums the matter up very cogently but I 
>> doubt if you can find it in any public school history book or even on 
>> Wikipedia. Under the circumstances, especially on Wikipedia.
>>
>> "I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young 
>> nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, 
>> gentlemen, is the Jews.
>>
>> "In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have 
>> lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have 
>> segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and 
>> tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is 
>> founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within 
>> the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death 
>> financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
>>
>> "For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in 
>> that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. 
>> But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at 
>> once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, 
>> and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among 
>> themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their 
>> race.
>>
>> "If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their 
>> Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such 
>> great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our 
>> form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our 
>> lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
>>
>> "If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will 
>> be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in 
>> the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do 
>> not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your 
>> graves.
>>
>> "Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how 
>> many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. 
>> Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even though 
>> they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots.
>>
>> "Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, 
>> and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention."
>>
>> (Statement made in "Chit chat around the table during intermission", at 
>> the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was 
>> recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from 
>> South Carolina."
>>
>>
>    I thought the Samaratins claim they are the only real "Jews".
>    S.
Personally, I do not think there are any "real" anything, most especially 
"real" Israelites 




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une 2, 2007

Unfortunately, the heading should be 'DEAD IN GAZA'...

Starvation has forced many Palestinians to scrounge the areas of former 
settlements looking for bits of scrap metal to sell in order to buy food. 
This apparently is a threat to the Israelis as they see these people as 
terrorists. Two children were taken as terrorists earlier today and murdered 
in cold blood by Israeli soldiers. One was 8 years old, the other one was 
11...

All part of the genocidal polices carried out on a daily basis, now 
'certified kosher' by the former chief Rabbi of Israel.

A Ynet report of the incident can be read HERE. 




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 une 2, 2007

Unfortunately, the heading should be 'DEAD IN GAZA'...

Starvation has forced many Palestinians to scrounge the areas of former 
settlements looking for bits of scrap metal to sell in order to buy food. 
This apparently is a threat to the Israelis as they see these people as 
terrorists. Two children were taken as terrorists earlier today and murdered 
in cold blood by Israeli soldiers. One was 8 years old, the other one was 
11...

All part of the genocidal polices carried out on a daily basis, now 
'certified kosher' by the former chief Rabbi of Israel.

A Ynet report of the incident can be read HERE. 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> [Alex.... Guess what religion these men are]

You seem to think that the only people being framed by informants are 
muslims!

>
> Federal law enforcement officials and New York City police said today that 
> four people have been charged with conspiring to bomb Kennedy 
> International Airport.
>
> The plan, which was described by United States Attorney Roslynn R. 
> Mauskopf as "one of the most chilling plots imaginable," involved a former 
> airport worker who is a United States citizen of Guyanese descent and a 
> former member of the Guyanese parliament, who is also an imam.
>
> "Once again would-be terrorists have put New York City in their crosshairs 
> and once again the F.B.I., New York Police Department and other law 
> enforcement agencies have joined forces to stop them," said Police 
> Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly.
>
> The former airport worker, Russell Defreitas, was in custody in Brooklyn 
> and was expected to be arraigned this afternoon. The former Guyanese 
> parliament member, Abdul Kadir, and Kareem Ibrahim of Trinidad, were in 
> custody in Trinidad. A fourth man, Abdel Nur, of Guyana, was still being 
> sought, law enforcement officials said.
>
> If convicted, the men could face a maximum sentence of life in prison.
>
> Two senior law enforcement officials said that there was no imminent 
> threat to the airport and that the men had yet to obtain any explosives. 
> They had conducted surveillance and the former airport worker had made 
> several trips to Guyana and one trip to Trinidad and Tobago to try to get 
> support for the plot.
>
> But if the plan had become operational, it could have been calamitous. 
> "The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just 
> unthinkable," Ms. Mauskopf said in a news conference today.
>
> Law enforcement officials said the men's ambition had been to detonate 
> fuel tanks at the airport, thereby exploding fuel pipes running beneath 
> the terminals.
>
> "Not only were we concerned about the fuel farm," Commissioner Kelly said, 
> "we were concerned about the 40-mile fuel line that runs from Linden, New 
> Jersey, through Staten Island, through Brooklyn and Queens.
>
> "It is indeed the feeding tube that nourishes national and international 
> commerce at J.F.K. and La Guardia airports."
>
> Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg issued a statement saying: "The fact that 
> plotters conspired to plan an attack on John F. Kennedy Airport is another 
> reminder that in today's world we face constant threats from people who 
> want to take away our freedoms and destroy our way of life. Working 
> together, NYPD and other local and federal law enforcement agencies have 
> been on top of this unfolding plot for months, and they deserve our thanks 
> and praise. This plot was only in its planning stages and at no point was 
> anyone in imminent danger. New Yorkers should be comforted that the layers 
> of safety provided by counterterrorism officials stopped these individuals 
> before they could do any harm to our way of life."
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/nyregion/02cnd-plot.html?ex=1181448000&en=c97c5e8817dee152&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY
> 




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Kind of stupid ain't it! Fuel rods do not "explode" under any circumstances, 
if mishandled they may exude radiation, but explode NO.

"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Scientists from a Norwegian environmental group say they have obtained a 
> leaked report by the Russian government's highest nuclear authority 
> warning of imminent risk of explosion in the enormous tanks holding 
> discarded submarine fuel rods at its Andreeva Bay facility on the Arctic 
> Ocean.
>
> According to the Rosatom report, obtained by researchers at Bellona, an 
> environmental group that has monitored the Russian site near the 
> year-around ice-free naval port of Murmansk for evidence of leakage from 
> radioactive wastes, three large cement tanks, built to house used fuel 
> rods that began leaking in 1982, have begun to deteriorate due to cold and 
> contact with seawater, creating conditions that could lead to an 
> explosion.
>
> Andreeva Bay, on the Kola peninsula of north-western Russia, is the 
> nation's primary spent-nuclear-fuel and radioactive-waste storage facility 
> for its Northern Fleet. Currently, the facility holds 21,000 
> spent-nuclear-fuel assemblies and about 12,000 cubic meters of solid and 
> liquid radioactive wastes.
>
> Whereas uranium used in civilian nuclear plants is normally enriched to 
> only three percent, Russian military uranium is often enriched to levels 
> between 20 and 40 percent, the Scotsman newspaper reported, making the 
> fuel rods at Andreeva Bay particularly toxic.
>
> Unlike the U.S., the former Soviet Union made no plans for the eventual 
> dismantling of its nuclear fleet and the safe management of radioactive 
> wastes. Soviet military doctrine emphasized numbers, so relatively few 
> older submarines were retired as newer ones entered service. The cost of 
> clean up at the massive site has been estimated at $1.5 billion dollars, a 
> number that prompted one Bellona physicist to tell Norway's Aftenposten 
> newspaper, "Russia will never do this."
>
>
> Fuel-storage tank at Andreeva Bay (Courtesy of the Bellona Foundation)
>
> The present problem arises from cracks in the concrete structures, meant 
> only to be a short-term solution when constructed in the 1980s, that have 
> let seawater into the large containment vessels in which the fuel rods 
> hang from the ceilings, contained in pipes. Cold, salt and condensation, 
> as well as fuel-rod failure, have caused the radioactive assemblies to 
> corrode and "hot" materials to slough off and fall to the bottoms of the 
> metal pipes.
>
> "The conclusion of Rosatom is that when the amount of particles on the 
> bottom reaches five to 10 percent in relation to the amount of water, 
> potentially explosive critical mass will occur," said Igor Kudrik, one of 
> the translators of the Russian agency's report.
>
>
> Open storage of spent nuclear fuel in casks at Andreeva Bay (Courtesy of 
> the Bellona Foundation)
>
> According to the Rosatom report, what will occur will be an "uncontrolled 
> chain reaction" - the nuclear material will go critical. The chain 
> reaction would generate enormous heat which could release hydrogen from 
> the invading seawater, resulting in an explosion that could affect other 
> fuel rods, breach the concrete chambers and release radioactive material 
> into the air.
>
> "In the best case a small, limited explosion in just one of the stored 
> rods can lead to radioactive contamination in a [three-mile] radius. In 
> the worst case, such a single explosion could cause the entire tank 
> facility to explode. We have no calculations for what that could lead to," 
> Bellona's Aleksandr Nikitin, a former Russian naval officer, told 
> Aftenposten.
>
> "It will at least, at a careful estimate, hit Northern Europe. There are 
> enormous amounts of radioactivity stored in these tanks," said Nils 
> BÝhmer, nuclear physicist and head of Bellona's Russian division. "The 
> radioactive fallout could be higher and affect northern Europe to a 
> greater degree than the region hit by the Chernobyl disaster."
>
> (Story continues below)
>
>
> John Large, an independent British nuclear consultant who has visited the 
> Andreeva Bay facility several times, also warned of a Chernobyl-type 
> event.
>
> "This wouldn't be a thermonuclear or atomic explosion as in a bomb, but 
> the outcome is just as bad," he told the Scotsman. "Remember Chernobyl? 
> Well if you had the right weather conditions, the right wind pattern, this 
> would mean a radioactive cloud drifting over Scotland and the rest of the 
> UK."
>
> Despite the leaked report, a spokesman for Rosatom denied there was a 
> threat to the public from the storage tanks. "The objects are being kept 
> in such a way that there's no danger of an explosion or an uncontrolled 
> chain reaction," he said.
>
> The Norwegian Nuclear Protection Authority agreed a chain reaction at 
> Andreeva Bay was possible but insisted the likelihood was "extremely 
> small."
>
> But Large, who helped salvage radioactive material from the Russian 
> submarine Kursk, which sank in the Barents sea in 2000, said the 
> conditions at Andreeva Bay are typical of the way Russia has managed its 
> nuclear wastes.
>
> "This is what happens when a superpower decays - people in Britain talk 
> about what to do with our nuclear waste, but what should concern us far 
> more is the way the Russians are dealing with theirs," he said.
>
> In July 1993, almost 4 pounds of uranium, enriched to 36 percent, was 
> stolen from Andreeva. The material was recovered one month later.
>
> "We are sitting on a powder keg with a fuse that is burning, but we don't 
> know how long that fuse is," said Nikitin.
> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55992
>
>
> 




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aktivato...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Islam's Shame
> Lifting the Veil of Tears
> by Ibn Warraq
>
> The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 17, Number
> 4.
>
> Islam is deeply anti-woman. .

That is a pretty stupid claim in a country, USA, where 260 women and
children are raped, murdered or both, every single day, by the members
of their own families!



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 THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE MC VAY'S BULLSHIT IS THAT ONLY THOSE THAT
KILL JEWS ARE BEING CALLED "TERRORISTS"



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 700 PALESTINIAN KIDS WERE SHOT DEAD BY THE ZIONAZI SAVAGES DURING 2006 
ALONE 




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 >
>
>
>> Yarmoulke heads are not far behind, one look at the checkpoint
>> treatment of Christians and muslims receive at the hands of snivelling
>> young ZioNazi torturers, you will know that just how well they have
>> been trained to hate ALL people except the Zionist pigs.
>
> This is nothing but hateful fantazy.

It is spelled FANTASY, but it is not Anyone who has been to occupied 
Palestine has experienced the brutality of the Jew.
>
> But this is a fact.  Face it , devil advocate - Palestinian and Muslim
> parents are proud of killing their kids.

FUCKING IDIOT AND A LIAR TO BOOT!
>
> Hamas TV Shows 4-Year-Old Girl Vowing Suicide Bombing

JEWISH HAMAS TV, I GUESS! 




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"staten"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
> news:1180889119.860235.290520@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 3, 12:09 pm, "staten"  wrote:
>>> NewsBusters
>>> Exposing and combatting liberal media bias
>>> Hamas Kindergarten Graduation Video American Media Will Never Air
>>>  by Noel Sheppard  June 2, 2007
>>> If graduation ceremonies from Israeli kindergartens included dressing
>>> children up in full military attire, with machine guns, ammo belts, and
>>> knives, and having the kids chant about killing Palestinians, do you 
>>> think
>>> this would be newsworthy?
>>
>> FUNNY THING IS THAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IT EXACTLY AS THE ZIONAZIS ARE
>> DOING!
>> If you see an old Armenian priest being chased around by the young
>> ZioNazis, and having rock thrown at him, you will know that these
>> young Jews have been to a Yahoodie school!
>
> It's just an another flight of your your sick imagination.  Israeli 
> leftists would raise hell should a first rock be thrown at the priest.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE PHOTOS OF PALESTINIAN OLD PEOPLE AND PRIESTS 
BEING HARRASSED BY YOUN JEWISH HITLERJUGEND?

Palestinian
> kindergarten kids dreaming to become homicide mass murderers is reality 
> for the whole world to see. It's a rock solid fact - Palestinians love to 
> kill their own kids in the name of Allah.
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 2, 11:50 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:46622767$0$3199$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> > [Alex.... Guess what religion these men are]
>>
>> You seem to think that the only people being framed by informants are
>> muslims!
>
> Framed by informants?  LOL..

That is what I said. You can set up anyone using informants. 




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"staten"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
> news:2JSdnUyTsqR-wv_bnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "staten"  wrote in message
>> news:3934e$46624fc0$4548590d$5561@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>>>
>>> Don't expect from Alex or  his  Muslo-butt  kissing buddies  replying 
>>> to
>>> your validly set point with something meaningful explaining why this 7th
>>> century barbarity  against Muslim  women  is still so popular  in 21st
>>> century in Islamic world  today..
>>> The best you can hope for will be an universal  nameplate -  but   "
>>> Israelis and  Americans kill  innocent children"
>>
>> Care to explain why the yehoodies still follow pagan rituals? For 
>> example -
>> What's the significance of whirling a chook around one's head?

and why do Jewish Rabbis bite off baby's forskin and give the baby herpes 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> ElParedon  wrote:
>>
>>"Tester"  wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:56:49 GMT, "Moishe Lipschitz, M.D."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.172.178.175
>>>
>>> pool-71-172-178-175.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [71.172.178.175]
>>>
>>> Whom do we know who would post a Kluxer nutcase (David Duke) defending
>>> a Nazi nutcase (Ernst Zundel) to soc.culture.jewish,alt.circumcision
>>> and soc.men  and connects to the internet via a Newark, NJ Verizon
>>> line?
>>
>>You are speaking about Dr. David Duke, you moron, he has more knowledge in
>>his little finger than you and your gang have all together
>
> David "I'm not REALLY a nazi!" Duke, commenting on his indictment
> today for federal mail fraud and filing a false tax return, said
> "That's the last time Grosvenor does my tax return!"

Everyone has the inherent right to be whatever one wants to be. If Dr. David 
Duke was really a Nazi it would not change anything. After all Most Jews and 
Shrub himself act exactly as the Nazis do. 




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The only reason you are making these anti Islamic posts is because you know 
full well that, we muslims are not permitted to run down the faith of other 
people.

But I encourage you to keep doing what you are doing. There has never been a 
time in history of Islam when so many people have embaced the Holy Quran and 
muslim brotherhood, including many thousands of former Jews.

Asalaamu Aleikum! 




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"Binyamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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> FBI In Expanded Aipac Probe
> Surveys Shine Critical Light On Jerusalem, Pro-Israel Lobby
>
> Nathan Guttman
>
> Fri. Oct 27, 2006
>
> http://www.forward.com/articles/report-fbi-in-expanded-aipac-probe/
>
> An explosive new report claims that the federal investigation into  the 
> American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel  lobbying 
> organization, has been expanded to include suspicion of  meddling in 
> affairs of the House Intelligence Committee.
>
> The report comes immediately on the heels of two new surveys that  shine a 
> critical light on Israel and on the role that the pro- Israel lobby plays 
> in shaping American foreign policy.
>
> A recent poll by Zogby International found Americans almost evenly  split 
> on whether the pro-Israel lobby was a key factor in  influencing the Bush 
> administration to invade Iraq and take a tough  stand against Irans 
> nuclear program. In a separate study exploring  the views of faculty 
> members at American universities, a  significant percentage of scholars 
> identified Israel and the United  States as threats to global stability.
>
> Last week, shortly after the surveys were released, Time magazine  posted 
> an article on its Web site alleging that the FBI is  investigating claims 
> of an improper deal between Aipac and Rep.  Jane Harman of California, the 
> ranking Democrat on the House  Intelligence Committee.
>
> Under the alleged deal  which both sides vigorously deny was ever  made 
> the lobby would actively support Harmans bid to become the  next chair of 
> the intelligence committee if the Democrats win  control of the House. In 
> return, Harman would press the government  to go easy on two former Aipac 
> staffers, Steve Rosen and Keith  Weissman, who are being prosecuted under 
> the Espionage Act for  allegedly communicating classified information to 
> Israeli diplomats  and reporters.
>
> Washington insiders are downplaying the likelihood that an  investigation 
> regarding Harman and Aipac would lead to any formal  charges of 
> wrongdoing. But the allegations  along with the  upcoming trial of Rosen 
> and Weissman, and the recent book deal  signed by two of the pro-Israel 
> lobbys most prominent and vocal  critics, scholars Stephen Walt and John 
> Mearsheimer  are likely to  trigger increased media and public scrutiny of 
> the pro-Israel  lobbys efforts to influence the decision-making process in 
> Washington.
>
> According to Time, Aipac allegedly agreed to get wealthy donors to  lobby 
> House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to appoint Harman to the  post. Federal 
> officials told The New York Times that such an  investigation had indeed 
> been opened, although they said that the  inquiry was no longer being 
> actively pursued.
>
> It is widely believed on Capitol Hill that Pelosi is not pleased  with 
> Harman as the ranking Democrat on the committee and prefers  Rep. Alcee 
> Hastings, a Florida Democrat, for chairmanship.  Hastings, who is black, 
> could shore up Pelosis ties to the  Congressional Black Caucus. At the 
> same time, Hastingss odds are  weakened by his past impeachment from a 
> federal judgeship. Pelosi  is said also to be considering a third 
> candidate, Rep. Silvestre  Reyes of Texas.
>
> All sides involved denied any wrongdoing or any knowledge of the 
> investigation, which according to the reports has been going on for  a 
> year.
>
> Patrick Dorton, an Aipac spokesman, said that both Harman and  Hastings 
> have proven pro-Israel track records and that they are  both worthy 
> leaders.
>
> Aipac would never engage in a quid pro quo in relation to a  federal 
> investigation or any federal matter, and the notion that it  would do so 
> is preposterous, Dorton said. He pointed to previous  statements by the 
> government, which made clear that Aipac was not  the target of any 
> investigation.
>
> Several congressional sources confirmed that major donors to the 
> Democratic Party have been lobbying Pelosi on behalf of Harmans 
> nomination to head the intelligence committee and that these  attempts 
> were not welcomed by the House Democratic leader.
>
> The Time report names Haim Saban, a billionaire film producer of  Israeli 
> background and Aipac donor, as one of those who approached  Pelosi on 
> Harmans behalf.
>
> Sources close to the issue, and congressional staffers, have  speculated 
> that the Harman issue was raised in an attempt to damage  the image of 
> Democratic lawmakers in advance of the upcoming  midterm elections. The 
> sources also suggested that the leak might  be an attempt to get back at 
> senior Democrats on the intelligence  committee for leaking the National 
> Intelligence Estimate on Iraq,  which embarrassed the administration.
>
> Even before the recent allegations involving Aipac, the two recent 
> surveys were giving pro-Israel activists cause for concern.
>
> A poll commissioned by the Council for the National Interest and 
> conducted by Zogby International found that 39% agreed with the  statement 
> that the work of the Israel lobby on Congress and the  Bush administration 
> has been a key factor for going to war in Iraq  and now confronting Iran 
> areas in which public support for  military action has dropped 
> dramatically.
>
> Forty percent disagreed with the statement.
>
> Democrats, Catholics and young voters were among those most likely  to 
> agree that the pro-Israel lobby played a part in shaping  Americas 
> decision to go to war in Iraq. College graduates tended  to disagree.
>
> Aipac sources were dismissive of the poll, arguing that the survey  was 
> skewed and the question poorly worded. Sources close to the  lobby said 
> that there is no way to assess the validity of findings  based on a single 
> question in a single poll, while annual Gallup  polls consistently show 
> strong support of the American public for  Israel. The sources stressed 
> that the lobby is not alarmed in any  way by the findings.
>
> Another study, published this week, suggests that a strong anti- Israel 
> current exists in American academic circles. The study,  conducted by Gary 
> Tobin and Aryeh Weinberg of San Franciscos  Institute for Jewish & 
> Community Research, found that almost one- third of college faculty 
> members think the United States is the  greatest threat to global 
> stability. Overall, respondents ranked  America as the second-greatest 
> threat  after North Korea but ahead  of Iran, China and Iraq. Israel was 
> ranked seventh, ahead of Syria,  Pakistan and Russia.
>
> Tobin said last week that he is planning to publish a separate  monograph 
> focusing on the views of American academics regarding  Israel and the 
> Middle East. The initial results already suggest  that atheists, liberals 
> and those who voted for John Kerry in 2004  are more likely than 
> conservatives and Bush voters to see Israel as  a threat to global 
> stability.

Thousands of criminal cases against the Zionists who spy on United States, 
deliver drugs to United States, sell military technology of United Stes. 
etc.etc.have been conveniently swept under the rug by the pro Israeli 
agencies of United States Government 




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The problem being is that what Bush and his bedmate Condi call "shield" are 
actualy hundreds of miniature nuclear bombs, which can be used to destroy 
missiles at high altitude but can also be directed to ground targets. No 
sane Russian would allow such offensive weapons to be located right next to 
its borders.

Same goes for those nuclear tipped missiles being located in Middle East 
pointed at Syria, Iran, Egypt etc. None of these countries must allow such 
weapons to be deployed there. 




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> The Saudi rulers were a lot more responsible for 9/11 than Saddam
> Hussein was!
>
> There is no real active "let's invade Saudi Arabia" lobby or advocacy
> faction nowadays, but one thing is absolutely clear -- the more the
> American people learned about the Saudis after 9/11, the less they
> liked the Saudis!

AND THE LESS SAUDIS LIKED AMERICANS! 




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 The problem being is that what Bush and his bedmate Condi call "shield" are
actualy hundreds of miniature nuclear bombs, which can be used to destroy
missiles at high altitude but can also be directed to ground targets. No
sane Russian would allow such offensive weapons to be located right next to
its borders.

Same goes for those nuclear tipped missiles being located in Middle East
pointed at Syria, Iran, Egypt etc. None of these countries must allow such
weapons to be deployed there.




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"Cazador"  wrote in message 
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>
> Sensible advice from one of the world's few non-maniacs
>
>
>
>
>
> 'Stop Dimona' says Blix
>
> WMD Commission head says Israel and Iran 'should both end fuel-cycles'
>
> 05.27.2007 | Ynetnews.com
> By Yaakov Lappin
>
> LUXEMBOURG - Israel should comply with the same demand being made of
> Iran, to cease its nuclear fuel-cycle and stop enriching uranium, Hans
> Blix, Chairman of the Weapons of Mass Destruction Commission (WMDC),
> told Ynetnews Thursday.
>
> Blix had earlier delivered a speech at the International Conference on
> Preventing Nuclear Catastrophe being held in Luxembourg, where he
> warned that the "world is sleep-walking into nuclear rearmament."
>
> Formally a top UN weapons inspector, Blix now heads the Sweden-based
> WMDC, which says it aims to "forge realistic and constructive ideas
> and proposals aimed at the greatest possible reduction of the dangers
> of weapons of mass destruction."
>
> In a report recently released by the WMDC, seen by Ynetnews, the
> Committee stated: "While Israel, feeling under threat from Iran and
> others, is not likely to discard its nuclear-weapon capability except
> as part f a peace settlement, it could help to reduce tension, as is
> now asked of Iran, by joining Iran and all other states in the region
> in a commitment to suspend and renounce any fuel-cycle activities,"
> the report said.
>
> "We assume Israel has 200 nuclear warheads. Stop the work in Dimona,"
> Blix said.
>
> 'End reprocessing of uranium'
>
>
>
> He outlined the Commission's vision for a nuclear free Middle East,
> and called on Israel to consider a "cessation of reprocessing of
> uranium" as a step to "contribute to the collective security of the
> Middle East."
>
> "In the Middle East, Iran looked at Iraq and decided to go nuclear.
> Israel looked at the Arab states. And now Jordan, Egypt, and the Gulf
> states are talking about initiating a nuclear fuel cycle, which would
> bring them closer to having the capability for nuclear weapons," Blix
> said.
>
> "What would cause them to feel safe? The guarantee of a non-attack,"
> he added. Blix dismissed military strikes, or the pressure created by
> the threat of such action, as failed means to end nuclear programs.
>
> "The best way to guarantee security is a WMD free zone," Blix said. He
> said the Middle East should go down the road of the Korean peninsula,
> where both North and South Korea committed themselves to ridding the
> region of WMDs. "If all countries in the Middle East commit themselves
> not to have a nuclear fuel cycle, that would create such a zone," Blix
> said. He added that he was not asking Israel to destroy its alleged
> nuclear arsenal, but to "end the reprocessing of uranium."

Actually Bush's "shield" presents just as much danger of nuclear war in the 
world as Israel's arsenal
The problem being is that what Bush and his bedmate Condi call "shield" are
actualy hundreds of miniature nuclear bombs, which can be used to destroy
missiles at high altitude but can also be directed to ground targets. No
sane Russian would allow such offensive weapons to be located right next to
its borders.

Same goes for those nuclear tipped missiles being located in Middle East
pointed at Syria, Iran, Egypt etc. None of these countries must allow such
weapons to be deployed there.




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:05 EDT 2007
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 > Listen dickhead, first of all, I was born here in the U.S in the
> seventies....  Second of all,  the Talmud is not really my cup of tea.
> I prefer the bible *itself*..... I can form my own opinions from it. I
> would definately say that I would not like the bastardized version of
> it, *the koran*.

Did anybody ever invite you to become a muslim? Of course not! Islam is not 
for everyone, and nobody is ever invited to become a muslim

If you believe in Bible that is very good, If you believe in the Ten 
Commandments that is even better, because the First Commandment of Moses, 
tells you clearly that you are a criminal for advocating killing. 




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 >> After all Most Jews...act exactly as the Nazis do.

THAT IS THE TRUTH. RECENT MASS MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, CLUSTER BOMBS 
IN LEBANON PROVE MY POINT. EVEN NAZIS WERE NOT THAT BRUTAL AS THE JEWS ARE
 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:40n8i.18042$923.10114@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:4661aa45$0$4711$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> How Jimmy Carter Helped Trash Venezuela's Free Press
>>> A.M. Mora y Leon
>>> As American Thinker noted here yesterday, Jimmy Carter came out with 
>>> some crocodile tears for the ongoing turmoil in Venezuela's democracy 
>>> over the issue of free speech. Does anyone realize the extent to which 
>>> Jimmy Carter created the conditions that led to today's turmoil in 
>>> Venezuela?
>>
>> I wish all of us would be concerned about the issue of free speech in 
>> these United States
>
> I don't think we have anything to worry about, with you around. We can use 
> you as a miners canary...
>
>>which is fast eroding.
>
> Example please.
 Ernst Zundel, kept in solitary for two years, sentenced for telling the 
truth about the Holofucks, which has been proven time and time again.

That is just one but I could name a dozen who were threatened persecuted and 
jailed for simply reexamining the claims made by Jews. 




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 >
> Like you have ever looked into anything.... You have been getting your
> ass kicked by people with the goods and when you get called, you tuck
> tail and run...
>
> Awwwwwe.... poor little Caz.... gets his ass beat in court and on
> usenet of all places...

Tennis court? Figures!

THE FACT REMAINS THAT JEWS MURDERED 137 AMERICAN SAILORS, WOUNDED MANY,  AND 
THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT COVERED THE WHOLE THING UP UP ON BEHALF OF THE JEWS! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1180817158.323949.151010@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 2, 11:43 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Alpha Bravo Charlie"  wrote in 
>>> messagenews:1180771279.471956.284320@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > May 30, 2007
>>>
>>> > Remember the Liberty!
>>>
>>> Sure...
>>
>> Ah, yes, that noted patriotic organization camera.org, always on the
>> lookout to correct "bias" in the news.
>>>
>>> The USS Liberty,;;;
>
> Snip the mendacious neo-nazi garbage.

SO, USS LIBERTY WAS A NAZI GARBAGE! THAT FIGURES!  THE FACT REMAINS THAT 
JEWS SLAUGHTERED 137 YOUNG AMERICANS WHO DID THEM NO HARM AND ZIONIST 
PRESIDENT OF USA COVERED THEIR CRIME UP! 




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 > Americas support of Israel is the right thing to do.... And with all your
> skirting the issues, you haven't shown otherwise.

AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT ISRAEL, BUSH AND HIS BEDMATE CONNIE DO! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
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>> On Jun 2, 8:44 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1180833947.695847.33210@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jun 2, 7:16 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> >> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:1180817158.323949.151010@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > On Jun 2, 11:43 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> >> >> "Alpha Bravo Charlie"  wrote in
>>> >> >> messagenews:1180771279.471956.284320@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> >> > May 30, 2007
>>>
>>> >> >> > Remember the Liberty!
>>>
>>> >> >> Sure...
>>>
>>> >> > Ah, yes, that noted patriotic organization camera.org, always on 
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > lookout to correct "bias" in the news.
>>>
>>> >> >> The USS Liberty,;;;
>>>
>>> >>  Snip the mendacious neo-nazi garbage.
>>>
>>> > Are you going to respond on the merits?
>>>
>>> There are no merits.
>>
>> Are you sure you don't want to debate me on the Liberty issue?
>
> You don't debate, you senile joke.
>
> Btw... How's Jeff Rense?   :::::: snicker:::::::

WHAT IS DISLOYAL ABOUT JEFF RENSE? HE IS HUNDRED TIMES MORE LOYAL TO USA 
THAN YOU WILL EVER BE YOU FUCKING JEW MONGREL 




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WHEN JEWS SLAUGHTERED 137 AMERICAN SAILORS AND DESTROYED THE AMERICAN SHIP 
IN THE INTERNATIONAL WATERS INJURING ANOTHER 70 AMERICANS.

THIS IS OUR "FRIEND" ISRAEL, AT ITS BEST. NOTHING STANDS IN THE JEW'S WAY 
WHEN IT COMES TO USURY AND THEFT! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>> Following are excerpts from a television program about female 
>>>>>>> circumcision
>>>>>>> in Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
>>>>>>  FEMALE CIRCUMCISION PREDATES BOTH CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM AND IS 
>>>>>> PRACTISED IN MOST OF EAST AFRICA BY ALL RELIGIONS INCLUDING 
>>>>>> CHRISTIANS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got something to back that up?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> IT IS A DEEP SEATED TRADITION WHICH WILL TAKE MUCH EDUCATION AND 
>>>>>> EFFORT TO ERASE. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT AS WIDESPREAD AS IT WAS FEW YEARS 
>>>>>> AGO, AND WILL EVENTUALLY DISAPPEAR, JUST LIKE THE STONING OF WOMEN IN 
>>>>>> GREECE DID
>>>>>
>>>>> According to these Egyptian mothers it is part of Islamic law.
>>>>
>>>> They are simple people who tie anything to "Islamic law". There is in 
>>>> fact nothing in Islamic law to that effect. Simple proof is: How come 
>>>> bilions of muslims in other parts of the world including China do not 
>>>> practise this vile custom?
>>>
>>> It is sporadic in other parts of the Muslim world.
>> FUCKING LIAR! The tradition is almost extinct!
>
> IF it was almost extinct, then why do the Muslims feel the need to debate 
> the validity of it, to this day?

The abhorrent custom is prevalent amongst almost all Africans, and has no 
basis in Islam 




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Subject: Re: JEWS ENJOY KILLING PALESTINIAN KIDS
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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f3vkl9$c91$1@aioe.org...
> staten wrote:
>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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>> > 700 PALESTINIAN KIDS WERE SHOT DEAD BY THE ZIONAZI SAVAGES DURING
>> > 2006 ALONE


JUST IN LEBANON ALONE JEWISH SAVAGES SLAUGHTERED ABOUT 1,300 WOMEN AND 
CHILDREN NEEDLESSLY! 




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 260 WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THESE UNITED STATES ARE RAPED OR MURDERED, OR 
BOTH BOTHE, EVERY SINGLE DAY, BY THE MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN FAMILIES 




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Ibragimov outpoints Briggs for WBO title

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - The last American heavyweight champion went down with 
a whimper. The Cannon never fired. Instead, Russia's Sultan Ibragimov easily 
outpointed Shannon "The Cannon" Briggs for the WBO title Saturday night. 
Ibragimov's quick left hands dominated the listless Briggs to earn a 
12-round decision.

"Tonight I will go to sleep as champion and will wake up as champion, and 
we'll see what happens after that," the 32-year-old Ibragimov said.

What happened for Briggs was simple: nothing.

The 35-year-old Brooklyn native pawed and postured, rarely throwing anything 
dangerous. His performance made his win over Sergei Liakhovich last Nov. 4 
for the crown look like a fluke - Briggs scored a last-minute knockout when 
he was well behind.

There would be no such heroics this time. Ibragimov swept the scorecards, 
then leaped in the air in the ring when the decision was announced.

"Shannon was a very tough guy,' Ibragimov said charitably. "I had to be real 
careful, I had to respect Briggs' power. I didn't like that kind of fight 
and I don't like to fight like that."

Members of former Soviet republics now hold all four heavyweight belts.

The 32-year-old Ibragimov joined Ukraine's Wladimir Klitschko (IBF), 
Kazakstan's Oleg Maskaev (WBC) and Ruslan Chageav of Uzbekistan (WBA) as 
heavyweight champions.

Ibragimov won a silver medal at the 2000 Olympics. But to get the 
heavyweight gold as a pro, he had to wait three extra months. Originally, 
Ibragimov (19-0-1) was to fight Briggs (48-5-1) on March 10 in New York. But 
Briggs contracted pneumonia - he also suffers from asthma - and the fight 
was postponed.

Instead, Ibragimov knocked out Javier Mora in 46 seconds back in March, and 
he pretty much toyed with the uninspired Briggs on this night.

Briggs then said he was forced to fight Saturday night.

"They threatened me," he said, not identifying who did the threatening. "I 
really didn't want to fight and they threatened if I pulled out they would 
sue me and they would have stripped me."

So he got into the ring, but he barely fought.

Judge Lynn Carter scored it 119-109, while Luis Rivera had it 115-113 and 
Donald Trella scored it 117-111.

The Associated Press scored it 119-109.

While Ibragimov carried the action, he ended Briggs' 12-bout winning streak. 
Briggs said he wasn't prepared for the fight.

Briggs weighed 273 pounds, and Ibragimov was 221.

"I had to do what I had to do," said Briggs, who added he doesn't plan to 
retire. "I was hurting, you know what I am saying? And he was running and he 
kept running.

"I proved that someone with asthma can become heavyweight champion. ... For 
two weeks, I couldn't train, I was taking all kinds of antibiotics. I didn't 
want to fight, but they made me fight and I had to fight."

Briggs also feuded with promoter Don King before the fight about his $1.8 
million purse. Ibragimov earned $600,000, with the opportunity for far 
bigger riches if he meets one of the other champions somewhere in Europe.

In the main bout on the undercard, local product Shamone Alvarez thrilled 
the crowd with a unanimous 12-round decision over Jose Luis Cruz. The 
unbeaten Alvarez won his 18th straight fight, helped by Cruz's inability to 
keep his punches above the belt.

Twice, in the fourth and in the seventh rounds, Cruz (32-3-2) was penalized 
a point for low blows. Alvarez also cut Cruz above the left eye in the ninth 
round and on the forehead in the 10th.

"It wasn't easy, but I knew all I had to do was stay with the basics," 
Alvarez said. "I knew I wasn't going to get the opportunity to knock him 
out."


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 >>> It's just an another flight of your your sick imagination.  Israeli
>>> leftists would raise hell should a first rock be thrown at the priest.
>>
>> HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE PHOTOS OF PALESTINIAN OLD PEOPLE AND 
>> PRIESTS
>> BEING HARRASSED BY YOUN JEWISH HITLERJUGEND?
>
> How would you like to see photos of  torn to shreds bodies of   Israeli 
> old and young people laying in pools of blood
MAYBE THERE IS A REASON WHY THEY HATE YOU SO MUCH THEY ARE WILLING TO DIE IN 
ORDER TO KILL YOU! EVER THINK ABOUT THAT? 




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 >
> Muslims love death more than their kids.
HOW MANY MILLION?
>
>
>>> Hamas TV Shows 4-Year-Old Girl Vowing Suicide Bombing
>>
>> JEWISH HAMAS TV, I GUESS!
>
> Got a hard time to turn white to black? Understood. But you got to live 
> with that- the Palestinian culture of death produce nothing but death.
 EVER CONSIDER THE REASON WHY PALESTINIANS HATE THE SLAUGHTERERS OF THEIR 
CHILDREN, THIEVES OF THEIR OWN HOMES, AND USURPERS OF THEIR OWN STATE? 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars, their origins are in Southern Caucasus. 
Ashkenazis are white, blond, blue eyed!

The people who populated the area of modern Palestine were dark skinned, 
mostly black, Jesus Christ was a black man and so were all the people that 
lived there.

Now look ate Sicily, Malta and other places where the original Arabs settled 
about the same time that Jews left for greener pastures, see how dark these 
people are!

Take a look at Sharon, or any other Zionist, Olmert, Rabin, any of them! Do 
they look like the descendants of ancient people who lived in Palestine?

Of course not. They are Europeans! Khazars!

About 15% of real Jews, most of whom come from Arab countries are real jews, 
and they do not want Khazars lording over them. They do not want the phony 
enclave of Israel! 




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Fourteen US troops killed in Iraq (Update: make that 15)
By: BBC/Fox Carolina on: 04.06.2007 [02:08 ] (78 reads)


      Fourteen US soldiers have been killed in the last three days in Iraq, 
mainly in roadside bombings, the US military has said.

      Update: 15


      (2213 bytes) [nc]

Four soldiers died in a single blast during search operations north-west of 
Baghdad on Sunday, the military said.

On the same day, two US soldiers were killed and five wounded in two 
separate roadside blasts.

In May, 127 US soldiers were killed in Iraq, the deadliest month for US 
forces since November 2004.

In Saturday's attacks, one soldier died and two others were wounded in an 
explosion near a vehicle in restive Diyala province, north of Baghdad, where 
US troops are fighting an al-Qaeda insurgency.

Another soldier was killed in a separate attack in Diyala.

Two Task Force Lightning soldiers were killed when their patrol was hit by a 
roadside bomb in northern Nineveh province.

In western Baghdad, a roadside bomb killed one Multi-National Division - 
Baghdad soldier and wounded two others during clashes.

Another soldier from the same division died and eight were wounded in a 
roadside bombing elsewhere in western Baghdad.

One Task Force Marne soldier died after being shot while on patrol south of 
Baghdad, the military said.

On Friday, one Task Force Marne soldier died after approaching two men for 
questioning near a mosque south-west of Baghdad. The military had earlier 
reported that this soldier had died on Saturday.

At least 3,490 US troops have died since the US-led invasion in March 2003.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6716683.stm


15 US soldiers killed in three days

BAGHDAD (AP) - It's been a deadly weekend for US soldiers in Iraq.

The US military announced today that 14 soldiers were killed in the past 
three days, including four in a single roadside bombing today. They were 
killed while conducting a search operation northwest of Baghdad.

Two other soldiers were killed and five were wounded along with an Iraqi 
interpreter in two separate roadside bombings today.

Combined with the previously announced death of a US soldier in central 
Baghdad on Friday, that makes the US death toll for June 15 so far.

According to an Associated Press count, at least 3,493 members of the US 
military who have died since the start of the Iraq war in March 2003.

http://www.whns.com/Global/story.asp?S=6605390 


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"Acarya"  wrote in message 
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> Russia upgrades nuclear missiles
>
> Russia says it is deploying a mobile version of its most important 
> long-range nuclear missile.
> Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said the new Topol-M missiles would be able 
> to penetrate a multi-layered missile defence system.
>
> Russia already has 42 fixed-site Topol-M missile systems, Russia's 
> Itar-Tass news agency reports.
>
> The missile, known in the West as the SS-27, has a range of more than 
> 10,000km (6,200 miles).
>
> Mounted on a heavy off-road launch vehicle, it is harder to detect than 
> the earlier version, which has been in service for more than 20 years.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6209236.stm
>
>
>
> Putin unveils 'new super missile'
> Russia has developed missiles capable of penetrating any missile defence 
> system, President Vladimir Putin says.
>
> Mr Putin said the new missiles were capable of carrying nuclear warheads, 
> adding that he had briefed French President Jacques Chirac on the system.
>
> However, he refused to say whether the Russian military had already 
> commissioned the new missiles.
>
> The Russian leader was speaking at his annual press conference in Moscow 
> to international journalists.
>
> "Russia last year tested missile systems that no-one in the world has and 
> won't have for a long time," he said, quoted by Russian news agencies.
>
> "These missile systems don't represent a response to a missile defense 
> system, but they are immune to that. They are hypersonic and capable of 
> changing their flight path."
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4667532.stm
>
>
>
> Russia bares its military teeth
>
> Mr Ivanov was speaking in Moscow at a conference of the Russian military 
> leadership.
>
> In an apparent reference to the US-led invasion of Iraq, Mr Ivanov said 
> that the use of force without UN approval could encourage countries to 
> acquire a nuclear potential.
>
> But he said that Russia could not rule out the use of force itself "if the 
> interests of Russia or its alliance obligations demand it".
>
> Russia's new national security doctrine, unveiled last year, allows the 
> use of all possible force, including nuclear weapons, to oppose attacks, 
> if all other methods fail.
>
> Previously, Russia said it would only use nuclear weapons if its national 
> sovereignty was under threat.
>
> Addressing Thursday's meeting, Mr Putin said Russia had "at her disposal a 
> considerable... stockpile of heavy ground-launched strategic missiles...".
>
> "Their combat characteristics, including the surmounting of any systems of 
> anti-missile defences, are unrivalled," he said.
>
> The president added that the arsenal included many strategic nuclear 
> missiles never before deployed.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3159044.stm
>
Putin is not afraid of anything, much less of the Bush's "shield. The 
concern here is the fact that the shield consists of hundreds of small 
Nuclear weapons, which can be used to destroy the missiles at high altitude 
as well as  that they can be used as land attack nuclear weapons.

If these weapons are not directed against Russia, whose natural resources 
are coveted by US, who are they directed against? Certainly not against 
Iran. If they were directed against Iran they would be placed near Iran! 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f400e0$am0$1@aioe.org...
> ElParedon wrote:
>>
>
> You don't get to decide who is a Jew and who isn't, just like we don't get
> to decide who is a Muslim.

YOU BASTARDS ARE CLAIMING OTHER PEOPLE'S LAND ON THE BASIS THAT YOU ARE 
SOMEHOW DESCENDANTS OF THE ORIGINAL "OWNERS" PROVE IT YOU SON OF A WHORE! 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 3, 9:20 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>> ElParedon wrote:
>>
>> You don't get to decide who is a Jew and who isn't, just like we don't 
>> get
>> to decide who is a Muslim.
>>
>> femail1...@NOSPAM.gmail.com
>
> If the color of ones skin were how we judge oursleves as Jews then we
> would be a very mixed up culture of Israelis?

I do not give a shit what color of your skin is, but you cannot claim the 
land of Palestine on the basis of the claim that you are a "descendant" of 
the original owners of it. You are not! You are a bastardized race of Mongol 
Khazars and have no relation to the original Israelites if they ever 
existed! 




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 > Yes. Jews are made up of many different races.

Yes, But Jewish claim to the land of Palestine is based upon the fact that 
you are descendants of the original Jews. You are NOT! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On Jun 3, 3:12 pm, Cazador  wrote:
>> On Jun 3, 12:53 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3407841,00.html
>>
>> The Israeli doctor claims that her intensive screening in SF
>> International was done *because* she is an Israeli. In an ironic sense
>> she is right. But for our support of Israeli oppression of the
>> Palestinian people 9/11 would not have happened and our travail at
>> airports would not be anything like it is today. Despite the Israeli
>> role in her "humiliation" she still files a complaint.
>
> She is wrong. The reason for her HUMILIATION was the fact that when
> you fly on a plane you have to worry about a middle eastern arab
> blowing it up.
> Something about them moooooslems.

Ever wonder why? Maybe it is because they are jelous "of our freedom"!!! 
Very funny! 




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"Binyamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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>A dossier on US Scholar Deborah Lipstadt
> At the back of her mind: "I make up my mind before I have the facts. I see 
> a blonde, I decide she is stupid. I see a Black, I decide he's shiftless 
> [sic] and lazy. I see an Italian, I decide he is Mafioso. I see a Jew, I 
> decide they [sic] are evil, greedy, conniving, etc." -- Deborah Lipstadt 
> on prejudice
> Index
> Lipstadt's March 2005 attempt to silence C-Span (dossier)
> Jerusalem Post reports (Feb 2007): Deborah Lipstadt orates in London to 
> Zionist rally: "Holocaust scholar warns of new 'soft-core' denial" - 
> Lipstadt interviewed on Feb.4 in luxury London hotel by Spiked: 'Genocide 
> denial laws will shut down debate" | Uh, Lipstadt favours debate? She 
> refused to enter the witness box in London in 2002, and silenced her own 
> C-Span appearance in 2005 (see above)
> . The usual slur: Lipstadt attacks Jimmy Carter, says his Jan 2007 book on 
> Palestine relies on anti-Semitic stereotypes in defense - Finkelstein 
> demolishes Lipstadt
> . Answering the Lipstadt Liars: Free Download of David Irving's own Diary 
> of his three-month 2000 Legal Action against Deborah Lipstadt - originally 
> posted in 2000, but repeated here for new readers
> A fair and revealing illustrated interview of Prof Lipstadt by Robert 
> Birnbaum
> . Mar 15, 2005: Deborah Lipstadt cuts off nose, spites face: Richard 
> Cohen's fury in Washington Post that C-SPAN grants equal air time: to 
> silence David Irving, Lipstadt cancels her consent | The Irving-CSpan 
> correspondence, with a prediction | The self-important David S. Wyman 
> Institute for Holocaust Studies cackles its approval | Our complete 
> dossier on Lipstadt's C-Span fiasco
> . Still dining out on the Holocaust Mar 10, 2005: Deborah Lipstadt visits 
> Berlin (but can't speak German): defends WW2 massacre at Dresden; is asked 
> why she never took the stand during the Lipstadt Libel Trial
> . In 2002 Lipstadt published in Nova Law Review a revealing survey of the 
> months before the Lipstadt trial. With full commentary by David Irving, 
> and hyperlinks
> . Feb 25, 2005 reviews of Lipstadt's new book: Emory University ("The 
> British press was nasty, seeing it as a battle of class -- an English 
> gentleman against an American Jewish woman upstart") | Jewish Journal of 
> Los Angeles
> . Jan 27, 2008 Still dining out on the Holocaust: Deborah Lipstadt writes 
> on The future of Holocaust denial in that obejctive daily, The Jerusalem 
> Post, and worries about the Arabs who have taken up the cry |and sells the 
> same article to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> . Jan 27, 2005: Kirkus reviews Lipstadt's turgid new book on the trial 
> ("it has dry patches" - like the Sahara): and, abandoning My Struggle, she 
> has stolen Don Guttenplan's title, History on Trial
> . Jan 26, 2005: Still dining out on the Holocaust: Lipstadt reminisces in 
> the International Herald Tribune about her famous victory in the London 
> High Court (she took the Fifth) and mentions her new book - it was going 
> to be called My Struggle (no kiddin').
> . Index to Legal Situation caused by Lipstadt's illegal postings of 
> documents on her university website
> . Ward Churchill pours scorn on Lipstadt in No.33 of Socialism and 
> Democracy: An American Holocaust? The Structure of Denial
> . Lipstadt's praise for Binjamin Wilkomirski, the (ASSHOL) fraudster and 
> liar:
> "Deborah Lipstadt has assigned Fragments in her Emory University class on 
> Holocaust memoirs. When confronted with evidence that it is a fraud, she 
> commented that the new revelations 'might complicate matters somewhat, but 
> [the work] is still powerful.' Daniel Ganzfried reports that Jews have 
> complained to him that even if Fragments is a fraud, his exposť is 
> dangerously aiding 'those who deny the Holocaust.'"
> .
>
> . Lipstadt hits Oregon trail again: speaks at Portland | The racist record 
> of Deborah Lipstadt
> . Tom Stoneburner asks for material to refute the orchestrated attacks on 
> Mr Irving
> . Lipstadt latest: had surgery October 2002 | invitation to meet her
> . Lipstadt latest: receives Eternal Light award from Catholic-Jews in 
> Florida
> . Lipstadt "heralds personal victory over Holocaust revisionists"
> . Twelve questions on Auschwitz to put to Prof. Lipstadt the next time you 
> see her...
> . Controversy April 2001 over Emory's choice of Deborah Lipstadt as 
> graduation speaker; won't get honorary degree
> . Update on Lipstadt's Book About the Trial: Irving v. Lipstadt
> . Great debating opportunity: Lipstadt lectures Sept 10, 2003 at US 
> Holocaust Museum, Washington
> . Atyn Boersma, writes from the Netherlands with questions about the basis 
> of the Lipstadt trial
> . Reviews of Lipstadt's latest book on the Amazon website. Newspaper 
> reviewers are, like the publishing industry, preponderantly Jewish, and 
> therefore partisan. What do non-partisan readers think of Lipstadt's book 
> on her trial for libel?

I heard that the bitch had a liposuction on her nose lately! 




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"george"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 4, 2:30 am, "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>
>> > It really burns the asses of these Asses that Lipstadt was able to
>> > completely defeat Irving without having to say a word.
>>
>> She did plenty of moaning in the background, fat slag. Not to mention the
>> $13m dollars it cost to beat one little man who represented himself.
>
> A little 'man' who thought he was, like most nazis do, able to lie
> without reserve.>

he is not a little man, and he did not lie. Irving told the truth. It is 
millions in Jewish money that won an undefended law suit. Jewish Holocaust 
tale is the biggest lie of the moder n times. Many Jewish writers agree with 
this statement. 




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"Joe"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 3, 7:26 am, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> In article ,
>>  "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>> > . Jan 26, 2005: Still dining out on the Holocaust: Lipstadt reminisces 
>> > in
>> > the International Herald Tribune about her famous victory in the London 
>> > High
>> > Court (she took the Fifth)
>>
>> The "Fifth" what? There is no "Fifth" in London. Or does this idiot
>> believe that England has the US's Bill of Rights?
>>
>> It really burns the asses of these Asses that Lipstadt was able to
>> completely defeat Irving without having to say a word.
>
>
>
> . Irving included her publisher as a defendant in his lawsuit, a large
> publisher with lots of money to hire good attorneys. That was one of
> his stupid mistakes.
>
> I believe he also tried to act as his own attorney. That was another
> of his stupid mistakes.
>
> Of course, going back to Austria after he'd been banned and convicted
> of breaking Austrian law was another of his stupid mistakes.
>
>
> Irving is now an ex-convict. If he comes to the USA, his rights on
> numerous matters will be severely restricted.
>
> Legally,the man is a walking disaster.

And Galileo was burnt at the stake. But he was right. Earth is a globe 




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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DO NOT MOVE THE WHOLE CAPITOL TO ISRAEL, AND 
HAVE THEIR SESSIONS THERE AS TO ENSURE THAT ALL THEY DO IS APPROVED BY THE 
JEWS

"ADL Reporter"  wrote in message 
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> June 3, 2007
>
> Close to a dozen members of both houses of Congress were in Israel
> this week.
>
> Among the delegations were a Senate team including Sen. Patrick Leahy
> (D-Vt.), Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) and Sen.
> Chick Hagel (R-Neb.); a Florida team including Rep. Ileana Ros-
> Lehtinen (D-Fla.) and Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), who joined for a
> time a trade delegation led by Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R.); Sen.
> Joe Liberman (I-Conn.), traveling on his own; a four-person delegation
> led by Rep. David Price (D-N.C.), who chairs the U.S. House of
> Representatives Democracy Assistance Commission, which advocates for
> assistance to democratic governments; and Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.)
> on a two-week tour of Europe and the Middle East focusing on
> Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe issues and
> culminating in the OSCE conference on anti-Semitism next week in
> Romania.... See more at the URL below.
>
> http://adlonline.us/#legislators_in_israel
> 




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Close to a dozen members of both houses of Congress were in Israel
this week.

Among the delegations were a Senate team including Sen. Patrick Leahy
(D-Vt.), Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) and Sen.
Chick Hagel (R-Neb.); a Florida team including Rep. Ileana Ros-
Lehtinen (D-Fla.) and Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), who joined for a
time a trade delegation led by Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R.); Sen.
Joe Liberman (I-Conn.), traveling on his own; a four-person delegation
led by Rep. David Price (D-N.C.), who chairs the U.S. House of
Representatives Democracy Assistance Commission, which advocates for
assistance to democratic governments; and Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.)
on a two-week tour of Europe and the Middle East focusing on
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe issues and
culminating in the OSCE conference on anti-Semitism next week in
Romania.... See more at the URL below.

http://adlonline.us/#legislators_in_israel




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AND COMPLETE OBEDIENCE TO THE HUSBAND, THE LORD OF THE HOUSE

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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>J Young wrote:
>> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?

Unfortunately, for themselves, Jews have self destructed since the beginning 
of time. Ever seen Merchant of Venice? 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f4039j$hsa$1@aioe.org...
> ElParedon wrote:
>> > Yes. Jews are made up of many different races.
>>
>> Yes, But Jewish claim to the land of Palestine is based upon the fact
>> that you are descendants of the original Jews. You are NOT!
>
> Yes I am. I have had relatives living there continuously for four hundred
> years.

Yep, and you held the candle to your grannie's arse while she was being 
fucked by a Tatar! 




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Israel declares there was no Holocaust Extermination
by Matt Giwer, © 2007 [June]
In the year 2000 Israel said there were one million holocaust survivors 
still alive and many are in financial need. That number is corroborated 
close enough[3] by other Jewish sources. Survivor implies something escapes 
by the skin of one's teeth and it certainly is terrible that so many are in 
financial need. Cue the extortion music. [urls to official claims of this 
number]

As we know the average life expectancy giving a number of people alive in a 
year is the same as giving the percentage alive in that year to a first 
order approximation. In giving a number Israel also gave the percent.

The problem is the average life span in 2000 for Europeans was about 75 
years.[1] The year 2000 was 55 years after the end of it.[2] So if all ages 
>from newborn to the elderly were among the survivors then 55/75th have died 
since 1945 and the number alive in 2000 equals 20/75th of the number in 
1945, a bit less than 1/3 of them.

Elementary algebra[4] says if there were one million alive in the year 2000 
then there were 3.75 million holocaust survivors alive in 1945. That is a 
huge number.

But wait! There's more! [Cue Popiel slice and dice logo]

If the Nazis killed those unable to work it gets worse. Lets assume 13 years 
old is old enough to work. So in 1945 the youngest survivor was 13. That 
means it is as though there were one million survivors in the year 2012. As 
that is 67 years after it ended then 67/75ths have died and one million 
represents 8/75ths of the survivors in 1945. That means there were roughly 
9.375 million holocaust survivors in 1945.

Pick any unable-to-work age you want down to newborn and still we are left 
with 3.5 million in 1945 as the minimum number of holocaust survivors. But 
if we have newborns surviving then we have a good fraction of women taking 
care of the children and thus not working. That weighs against the 
trademarked Pure Nazi Evil. Not working everyone to death stains the 
trademark of Pure Nazi Evil.

We must conclude the official number asserted for purposes of claiming 
compensation is either a lie for the purpose of extortion or there was no 
extermination in the holy holocaust. And if the former is a lie, lying in 
one leads to a reasonable assumption of lying in all and it is up to the 
liar to show he is not lying this time.

OTOH we can look at the 1945 Red Cross numbers for all concentration camp 
survivors as 120,000. That means there should be 33,000 survivors today 
assuming no extermination of those unable to work. Assuming extermination of 
those unable to work as under 13 we have roughly 10,000 survivors. If we 
expand camp survivors to those who survived by hiding either their identity 
or physically perhaps the number can be doubled or even tripled before one 
cannot keep a straight face saying it.

Norman Finkelstein quotes his mother as asking, If all of these people are 
survivors, who did Hitler kill?

I can add to her consternation. Every conceivable modification to the data 
short of a fountain of youth for holocaust survivors, short of increasing 
their life expectancy, increases the number of survivors in 1945. Evan a 
million survivors in 1945 (no one died in 55 years) begs the question of 
what does holocaust mean.

In a larger context we can look at the distribution of Jews in Europe during 
WWII and at its maximum expansion only 3 to 4 million Jews lived under Nazi 
rule. Taking the official number of one million without extermination of 
those unable to work we have every Jew who was at any time under Nazi rule 
claiming to be a holocaust survivor. So again, who did Hitler kill? [url to 
jewish 1938 population figures produced by Jews not knowing the later 
mythology was coming]



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[1] Life expectancy in 1945 was on the order of 67 years overall for Europe 
but included unsanitary eastern Europe of about 10 years shorter where most 
of this holocaust is supposed to have happened. However this changes nothing 
as those who had the poor lifestyle as young adults in eastern Europe would 
be dead before 2000 even if they had a 75 year life expectancy in 1945. This 
75 year life expectancy applies mainly to the youngest in 1945. On average 
it applies to those 20 and younger in 1945.

[2] The first approximation rule of demographics is there an equal number in 
all age groups. To make it easy, say the population is 75 million. That 
would mean 1 million aged 0-1, 1 million age 1-2 and so forth up to 1 
million aged 74-75. Of course no population is a first order approximation. 
But all the interesting aspects of demographics are departures from this 
ideal. For purposes of this discussion the only interest is the Z-shaped 
curve around the average life expectancy. These days the Z-curve has a large 
number living much longer than the average but in fact there is an equally 
large number dying before the average age. If it were otherwise the average 
life expectancy would increase so the same considerations are always true. 
They are kept true by moving the baseline. It is also true that 75 is not 
good for all European countries but it is close enough for this exercise.

[3] In this case "close enough" means there is no official source of the 
number rather there is a ballpark range of numbers that different groups 
adopt as the true number.

[4]

20
-- X population-in-1945 = 1,000,000
75

                                 75
population-in-1945 = 1,000,000 X --
                                 20




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"Jedi"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 3, 5:55 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Acarya"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:46638526$0$3218$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> > Russia upgrades nuclear missiles
>>
>> > Russia says it is deploying a mobile version of its most important
>> > long-range nuclear missile.
>> > Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said the new Topol-M missiles would be 
>> > able
>> > to penetrate a multi-layered missile defence system.
>>
>> > Russia already has 42 fixed-site Topol-M missile systems, Russia's
>> > Itar-Tass news agency reports.
>>
>> > The missile, known in the West as the SS-27, has a range of more than
>> > 10,000km (6,200 miles).
>>
>> > Mounted on a heavy off-road launch vehicle, it is harder to detect than
>> > the earlier version, which has been in service for more than 20 years.
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6209236.stm
>>
>> > Putin unveils 'new super missile'
>> > Russia has developed missiles capable of penetrating any missile 
>> > defence
>> > system, President Vladimir Putin says.
>>
>> > Mr Putin said the new missiles were capable of carrying nuclear 
>> > warheads,
>> > adding that he had briefed French President Jacques Chirac on the 
>> > system.
>>
>> > However, he refused to say whether the Russian military had already
>> > commissioned the new missiles.
>>
>> > The Russian leader was speaking at his annual press conference in 
>> > Moscow
>> > to international journalists.
>>
>> > "Russia last year tested missile systems that no-one in the world has 
>> > and
>> > won't have for a long time," he said, quoted by Russian news agencies.
>>
>> > "These missile systems don't represent a response to a missile defense
>> > system, but they are immune to that. They are hypersonic and capable of
>> > changing their flight path."
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4667532.stm
>>
>> > Russia bares its military teeth
>>
>> > Mr Ivanov was speaking in Moscow at a conference of the Russian 
>> > military
>> > leadership.
>>
>> > In an apparent reference to the US-led invasion of Iraq, Mr Ivanov said
>> > that the use of force without UN approval could encourage countries to
>> > acquire a nuclear potential.
>>
>> > But he said that Russia could not rule out the use of force itself "if 
>> > the
>> > interests of Russia or its alliance obligations demand it".
>>
>> > Russia's new national security doctrine, unveiled last year, allows the
>> > use of all possible force, including nuclear weapons, to oppose 
>> > attacks,
>> > if all other methods fail.
>>
>> > Previously, Russia said it would only use nuclear weapons if its 
>> > national
>> > sovereignty was under threat.
>>
>> > Addressing Thursday's meeting, Mr Putin said Russia had "at her 
>> > disposal a
>> > considerable... stockpile of heavy ground-launched strategic 
>> > missiles...".
>>
>> > "Their combat characteristics, including the surmounting of any systems 
>> > of
>> > anti-missile defences, are unrivalled," he said.
>>
>> > The president added that the arsenal included many strategic nuclear
>> > missiles never before deployed.
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3159044.stm
>>
>> Putin is not afraid of anything, much less of the Bush's "shield. The
>> concern here is the fact that the shield consists of hundreds of small
>> Nuclear weapons, which can be used to destroy the missiles at high 
>> altitude
>> as well as  that they can be used as land attack nuclear weapons.
>
>
> The missiles use conventional explosives for defensive use.
>
>
>> If these weapons are not directed against Russia, whose natural resources
>> are coveted by US, who are they directed against?
>
>
> I thought we have been through this boring cold war rhetoric before?
>
>
> Certainly not against
>> Iran. If they were directed against Iran they would be placed near Iran!
>
>
> Putin should try to believe in the defensive security his European
> partners, after all look who has helped the terrorist state of Iran's
> nuclear ambitions. More old world hypocrisy do you think?

AFTER ALL THE LIES BUSH AND HIS BEDMATE HAVE TOLD,PUTIN WOULD BE CRAZY TO 
BELIEVE A WORD WHAT THEY SAY! 




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 I GUESS ISRAEL IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN AFFORD ITS OWN "GOD", AFTER ALL 
U.S. TAXPAYER HAS BOUGHT IT FOR THEM OVER THE PAST FIVE DECADES 




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"Islamic Terrorists" supported by Uncle Sam: Bush Administration "Black Ops" 
directed against Iran, Lebanon and Syria
By: cosmo on: 04.06.2007 [04:50 ] (1 reads)

     What we are witnessing right now in Lebanon is nothing less than 
Zionist US Psyops through their colabotrators Harriri and Company against 
Palestinians who would rally along with Hezbollah and other Sunnis.
      It seems the process is that to weaken Heabollah by elimiating those 
cooperating with them one by one .

      Hezbollah should be veryt wary of what ig oing on, Sinoira and company 
have to go.
      Do not wait until your allies are eliminated infront of your nose.


      (21958 bytes) [nc]


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070531&articleId=5837
"Islamic Terrorists" supported by Uncle Sam: Bush Administration "Black Ops" 
directed against Iran, Lebanon and Syria


by Prof Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, May 31, 2007



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The Bush administration has admitted that covert actions of an aggressive 
nature were applied against Iran and Syria. The stated objective was to 
wreck the countries' economies and currency systems. The infamous Iran-Syria 
Policy and Operations Group (ISOG) created in early 2006, integrated by 
officials from the White House, the State Department, the CIA and the 
Treasury Department, had a mandate to destabilize Syria and Iran, and bring 
about "Regime Change" :

"The committee, the Iran-Syria Policy and Operations Group ISOG, met weekly 
throughout much of 2006 to coordinate actions such as curtailing Iran's 
access to credit and banking institutions, organizing the sale of military 
equipment to Iran's neighbors and supporting forces that oppose the two 
regimes." (Boston Globe, 25 May 2007)

ISOG had also been providing undercover assistance to Iranian opposition 
groups and dissidents. The group's propaganda ploy consisted in feeding 
disinformation into the news chain and "building international outrage 
toward Iran". (Boston Globe 2, January 2007)

About-Turn in Iran-Syria Policy?

Washington has recently announced an apparent about-turn: no more 
treacherous covert ops directed against "rogue enemies" in the Middle East. 
The Iran-Syria Policy and Operations Group (ISOG) has been disbanded on the 
orders of President Bush. The US will no longer be involved in "covert 
aggressive actions against Iran and Syria", according to State Department 
officials.

"The group had become the focus for administration critics who feared that 
it was plotting covert actions that could escalate into a military conflict 
with Iran or Syria. The air of secrecy surrounding the group when it was 
established in March 2006, coupled with the fact that it was modeled after a 
similar special committee on Iraq, contributed to those suspicions.

A senior State Department official,... said the group ISOG was shut down 
because of a widespread public perception that it was designed to enact 
regime change. State Department officials have said the focus of the 
Iran-Syria group was persuading the two regimes to change their behavior, 
not toppling them." (Ibid)

Believe it or not?

Foreign policy analysts have described Washington's decision as proof of a 
welcome "softening" of US strategy in the Middle East. The Bush 
administration is said to have discarded " regime change" in favor of a more 
flexible approach, consisting of constructive dialogue with Tehran and 
Damascus. Aggressive covert actions, we are told, have been swapped for bona 
fide international diplomacy:

The dissolution of ISOG comes as the Bush administration has embarked on a 
significant new effort to hold high-level meetings with Iran and Syria.

...

Shortly before the Iran-Syria group was shut down, Secretary of State 
Condoleezza Rice launched a major initiative to engage Iran and Syria in a 
regional effort to stabilize Iraq, reversing longstanding U.S. policy 
against high-level contact with the countries.

For years, the Bush administration has shunned meetings with Syria. ...But 
Rice met this month with Syria's foreign minister in Egypt, the first such 
high-level meeting between the two countries since 2004, and on Monday, the 
U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, is scheduled to meet his Iranian 
counterpart in Baghdad.

Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East specialist at the Congressional Research 
Service, the research arm of the U.S. Congress, said he did not think it was 
a coincidence that the Iran-Syria group was disbanded at the same time the 
State Department began its diplomatic outreach.

"I think the rationale for that group was promoting regime change, and Rice 
is going in a much different direction from that," Katzman said. "The 
regime-change school within the administration has really gotten quite a bit 
weaker." (Ibid)

The decision to dismantle ISOG is largely cosmetic. Most of these 
intelligence operations remain intact. ISOG was one among several covert 
initiatives to destabilize Iran and Syria. Regime change and outright war 
are still part of the Administration's agenda. In fact, destabilizing covert 
intelligence operations directed against Iran and Syria have been stepped up 
in the course of the last four years. Moreover, these operations are closely 
coordinated with Israeli and NATO war plans, which constitute an integral 
part of the US sponsored military operation directed against Iran, Syria and 
Lebanon.

The covert ops have been synchronized with the military road map, including 
the various US war scenarios envisaged since the launching of " Theater Iran 
Near Term" (TIRANNT) in May 2003, barely a month after the invasion of Iraq. 
These war-like scenarios explicitly envisage regime change:

... Under TIRANNT, Army and U.S. Central Command planners have been 
examining both near-term and out-year scenarios for war with Iran, including 
all aspects of a major combat operation, from mobilization and deployment of 
forces through postwar stability operations after regime change." (William 
Arkin, Washington Post, 16 April 2006)

The US is on a war footing and the various covert operations and 
Psy-Ops --which routinely feed despicable images of the Iranian head of 
State into the news chain--, are an integral part of the 
military-intelligence and propaganda arsenal.

In turn, the covert ops are coordinated with US, Israeli and NATO military 
deployments in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf including the 
conduct of major war games, which have been carried out almost continuously 
since Summer 2006.

CIA " Black Ops" directed against Iran

Coinciding with the announcement on the closing down of ISOG, "The CIA has 
received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to 
destabilize the Iranian government, according to current and former 
officials in the intelligence community... " (ABC News Report 22 May 2007). 
This parallel CIA sponsored initiative, which "received approval by White 
House officials and other officials in the intelligence community", has 
broadly the same mandate as that of the defunct ISOG:

"The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the 
sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a "nonlethal 
presidential finding" that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly 
includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and 
manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions.

"I can't confirm or deny whether such a program exists or whether the 
president signed it, but it would be consistent with an overall American 
approach trying to find ways to put pressure on the regime," said Bruce 
Riedel, a recently retired CIA senior official who dealt with Iran and other 
countries in the region.

A National Security Council spokesperson, Gordon Johndroe, said, "The White 
House does not comment on intelligence matters." A CIA spokesperson said, 
"As a matter of course, we do not comment on allegations of covert 
activity." (ABC News Report 22 May 2007)

The CIA plan was apparently "designed to pressure Iran to stop its nuclear 
enrichment program and end aid to insurgents in Iraq." The covert operation, 
according to US officials, was a softer alternative to that of a military 
strike on Iran, an option which was favored by Vice President Dick Cheney 
and other hawks within the administration:

"Current and former intelligence officials say the approval of the covert 
action means the Bush administration, for the time being, has decided not to 
pursue a military option against Iran.

"Vice President Cheney helped to lead the side favoring a military strike," 
said former CIA official Riedel, "but I think they have come to the 
conclusion that a military strike has more downsides than upsides." (Ibid)

The covert intelligence operations directed against Iran and Syria is not an 
alternative to military action. Quite the opposite. The CIA plan was 
designed to support Washington's strategy to destabilize Iran and Syria, 
through both military action and non-military means including covert 
intelligence operations.

Unleashing The Islamic Brigades Inside Iran

In relation to Iran, US intelligence has been supporting a Pakistani based 
terrorist group, Jundullah (Soldiers of God), that has conducted terrorist 
raids inside Iran. The group operates "from bases on the rugged 
Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan 'tri-border region'." According to a report by ABC 
News:

"A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly 
guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by 
American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell 
ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and 
operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border 
>from Iran.

It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a 
dozen Iranian soldiers and officials." (ABC News, 2 April 2007)

Abd el Malik Regi, the leader of Jundullah, commands a force of several 
hundred guerrilla fighters "that stage attacks across the border into Iran 
on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping 
them, executing them on camera, ... Most recently, Jundullah took credit for 
an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian 
Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan." (Ibid)

US government sources have acknowledged that Jundullah's leader "had regular 
contact with US officials" but denies any "direct funding" of Jundullah by 
US intelligence.

Inherent in CIA covert operations, the Agency never grants funding 
"directly". It invariably proceeds through one of its proxy organizations 
including Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), which historically, 
since the Soviet-Afghan war, has provided support to Islamic terror groups, 
including the funding of the training camps and the madrassahs, always 
acting on behalf of the CIA. In fact this insidious role of Pakistan's ISI 
(on behalf of the the CIA) is candidly acknowledged by US intelligence:

"American intelligence sources say Jundullah has received money and weapons 
through the Afghanistan and Pakistan military and Pakistan's intelligence 
service. Pakistan has officially denied any connection." ( Brian Ross and 
Christopher Isham, The Secret War Against Iran, April 03, 2007

Other channels used by US intelligence in funding terrorism is through Saudi 
Arabia and the Gulf States, where foundation money is funneled to various 
militant Islamic groups on behalf of Uncle Sam. "Some former CIA officers 
say the arrangement with regard to Jundullah is reminiscent of how the U.S. 
government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi 
Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s reminiscent 
of the Iran-Contra affair." (Ibid)

Consistent Pattern: Historical Origins of "Islamic Terrorism"

Ironically, the Islamic groups are portrayed as working hand in glove with 
Tehran. Iran, a predominantly Shia country, is accused of harboring Sunni 
Islamic terrorists, when in fact these Islamic terrorists are " intelligence 
assets" of the United States, supported indirectly by Washington.

This role of US intelligence in support of "Islamic terrorists" is well 
established. The covert op applied in Iran are part of a consistent pattern

The not so hidden agenda of US intelligence, applied throughout Central Asia 
and the Middle East, is to trigger political instability and foment ethnic 
strife by supporting "Islamic terrorist organizations", ultimately with a 
view to weakening the Nation State and destabilizing sovereign countries.

>From the onslaught of the Soviet-Afghan war and throughout the 1990s, a 
central feature of CIA activities has consisted in providing covert support 
to " Islamic terrorist organizations":

In 1979 "the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA" was 
launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the 
pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal.(See Fred Halliday, "The Un-great 
game: the Country that lost the Cold War, Afghanistan, New Republic, 25 
March 1996): Ahmed Rashid, The Taliban: Exporting Extremism, Foreign 
Affairs, November-December 1999. See also Michel Chossudovsky, America's 
"War on Terrorism", Global Research, 2005, Ch. 2.)

With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's Inter Services 
Intelligence, "some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined 
Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to 
study in Pakistani madrasahs. Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim 
radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad." (See Chossudovsky, 
op cit)

These covert operations in support of the "Islamic Brigades" continued in 
the post-Cold war period. The ISI's extensive intelligence military-network 
was not dismantled in the wake of the Soviet-Afghan war. The CIA continued 
to support the Islamic "jihad" out of Pakistan. New undercover initiatives 
were set in motion in Central Asia, the Middle East and the Balkans. 
Pakistan's military and intelligence apparatus essentially "served as a 
catalyst for the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the emergence of six 
new Muslim republics in Central Asia." (Ibid). "Meanwhile, Islamic 
missionaries of the Wahhabi sect from Saudi Arabia established themselves in 
the Muslim republics of the Former Soviet Union as well as within the 
Russian federation encroaching upon the institutions of the secular State." 
(Ibid)

A similar pattern emerged in the Balkans. Starting in the early 1990s, the 
Clinton Administration supported the recruitment of Al Qaeda Mujahideen to 
fight in Bosnia alongside the Bosnian Muslim Army. Ironically, it was the 
Republican Party in a document published by the Republican Party Committee 
of the US Senate which accused Clinton not only of a "''hands-on' 
involvement with the Islamic network's arms pipeline" but also of 
collaborating with the Third World Relief Agency (TWRA), "a Sudan-based, 
phony humanitarian organization believed to be connected with such fixtures 
of the Islamic terror network as Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (the convicted 
mastermind behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing) and Osama Bin 
Laden,... " (The original document can be consulted on the website of the US 
Senate Republican Party Committee (Senator Larry Craig), at 
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm )

Since the launching of the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT) in the wake of 
September 11, 2001, many of the official documents, which single out the 
insidious relationship of US intelligence to the "Islamic terror network", 
have been carefully removed from the public eye.

US Sponsored "Islamic Terrorists" inside Lebanon

The recent killings of civilians in Palestinian refugee camps in northern 
Lebanon, resulted from the confrontation between Fatah Al Islam and the 
Lebanese armed forces. Fatah al-Islam is a predominantly non-Palestinian 
Sunni fundamentalist group, operating inside the refugee camps. Fatah Al 
Islam is also inspired by the Wahabi sects of Saudi Arabia, which were part 
of the CIA's covert operations since the onslaught of the Soviet-Afghan war.

The Lebanese armed forces have been involved in raids on the camps, leading 
to the uprooting of the Palestinians refugees. The number of Fatah al Islam 
militants (made up of Saudi, Syrian, Yemeni and Moroccan fighters), inside 
the camp was of the order of 150-200 according to press reports. The 
Lebanese military offensive has been disproportionate, resulting in 
countless civilian casualties.

"Yet, the massively disproportionate assault on the camp has been 
unconditionally endorsed by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. "The 
Siniora government is fighting against a very tough extremist foe," Rice 
said. "But Lebanon is doing the right thing to try to protect its 
population, to assert its sovereignty and so we are very supportive of the 
Siniora government and what it is trying to do."

Lebanon has used the police action against this tiny group to ask the US for 
$280 million in military assistance to help put down what it grandiosely 
calls an "uprising." State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the 
request for funds, $220 million of which would go to the Lebanese Armed 
Forces and another $60 million to security forces, was being considered by 
Washington. The US gave $40 million in military aid to Lebanon last year and 
an additional $5 million so far this year. (Chris Marsden, 27 May 2007)

Fatah Al Islam has been presented in media reports, in an utterly twisted 
logic, as an organization linked to the Fatah movement in Palestine, a 
secular organization, founded by Yaser Arafat. From an ideological 
standpoint, Fatah al Islam, is similar to Al Qaeda, which is known to 
financed out of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and supported by Pakistan's 
Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) in liaison with its US counterpart.

According to Seymour Hersh, Saudi Arabia is providing funding as well as 
covert support to Fatah Al Islam, in close consultation with the Bush 
administration

Hersh points to a "private agreement" between top NeoCon officials and 
Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia, who worked closely with CIA 
Director George Tenet, when he was Saudi Ambassador in Washington. The 
Lebanese government is also involved in this intelligence operation:

"The key player is the Saudis. What I Hersh was writing about was sort of a 
private agreement that was made between the White House, we're talking about 
Richard-Dick-Cheney and Elliott Abrams, one of the key aides in the White 
House, with Bandar Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national security 
adviser. And the idea was to get support, covert support from the Saudis, to 
support various hard-line jihadists, Sunni groups, particularly in Lebanon, 
who would be seen in case of an actual confrontation with Hezbollah-the Shia 
group in the southern Lebanon-would be seen as an asset, .as simple as 
that.. We're in the business now of supporting the Sunnis anywhere we can 
against the Shia, against the Shia in Iran, against the Shia in Lebanon, 
that is Nasrullah. Civil war. We're in a business of creating in some 
places, Lebanon in particular, a sectarian violence.."(CNN Interview with 
Seymour Hersh, CNN International's Your World Today, 21 May 2007)

The pattern of Saudi support to Fatah Al Islam is part of a US sponsored 
covert operation similar to those conducted by the CIA in the 1980s in 
support of Al Qaeda.

Well, the United States was deeply involved. This was a covert operation 
that Bandar ran with us. Don't forget, if you remember, you know, we got 
into the war in Afghanistan with supporting Osama bin Laden, the Mujahideen 
back in the late 1980s with Bandar and with people like Elliott Abrams 
around, the idea being that the Saudis promised us they could control - they 
could control the jihadists so we spent a lot of money and time, ... in the 
late 1980s using and supporting the jihadists... And we have the same 
pattern, ... using the Saudis again to support jihadists Fatah Al Islam, 
Saudis assuring us they can control these various group, the groups like the 
one that is in contact right now in Tripoli with the government. (CNN 
Interview with Seymour Hersh, CNN International's Your World Today, 21 May 
2007)

Staged Event in Lebanon? Building a Humanitarian Justification for Military 
Intervention

Fatah Al Islam is an "intelligence asset" financed by Saudi Arabia. While 
the Bush administration accuses Damascus of supporting Fatah Al Islam, there 
are indications that the killings in the Palestinian refugee camps were the 
result of a carefully staged military intelligence operation..

Since the Summer 2006 following the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, NATO forces 
are present inside Lebanon as well as off Syrian-Lebanese coastline. The UN 
Security Council Resolution allowing for the deployment of NATO 
peace-keeping forces was the first step in this process, which followed the 
2005 withdrawal and Syrian forces from Lebanon.

The objective of the military roadmap, is to create sectarian violence 
inside Lebanon which will provide a pretext "on humanitarian grounds" for a 
stepped up military intervention by NATO forces under a formal UN mandate. 
This humanitarian military NATO intervention in liaison with Israel, is 
envisaged as a sequel to the withdrawal of Syrian troops in 2005 and the 
Israeli bombings of 2006. If it were to be launched it could lead to a 
situation of de facto foreign occupation of Lebanon as well as the 
enforcement of a economic blockade directed against Syria.

The pretext for these stepped up military actions are Syria's alleged 
support of Fatah Al Islam and Damascus' supposed involvement in the 
assassination of Rafiq Hariri. The timely "investigation" into Hariri's 
assassination and the setting up of a kangaroo court are being used by the 
coalition to foment anti-Syrian sentiment in Lebanon. From a military and 
strategic standpoint, Lebanon is the gateway into Syria. The destabilization 
of Lebanon supports the US-NATO-Israeli military agenda directed against 
Syria and Iran. US intelligence sets loose its Islamic brigades, while also 
accusing the enemy of sponsoring terrorist groups, which are in fact 
covertly supported and financed by Uncle Sam.


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"Parsifal"  wrote in message 
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> On 4 juin, 07:08, J Young  wrote:
>> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>
> Antisemitism, as shown by your regular postings, is known to be
> rampant among the intellectually challenged people, the mediocres and
> the envious.
> Unfortunately, there's no medication against it.
> The people affected by this disease are called "nazi turds".
DO YOU7 STILL INSIST THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES? NO WAY! MOST OF THEM ARE 
ASHKENAZI MONGOLS 




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 Builders in Green Zone already insurgent targets

Monday May 21, 2007
The Guardian

When the idea of building a new US embassy in Baghdad was first mooted by 
the American administration in the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq, there 
seemed to be a grandiose logic to it.

The compound, by the side of the Tigris, would be a statement of President 
Bush's intent to expand democracy through the Middle East. Yesterday, 
however, the entire project was under fresh scrutiny as new details emerged 
of its cost and scale.

Rising from the dust of the city's Green Zone it is destined, at $592m 
(£300m), to become the biggest and most expensive US embassy on earth when 
it opens in September.

It will cover 104 acres (42 hectares) of land, about the size of the 
Vatican. It will include 27 separate buildings and house about 615 people 
behind bomb-proof walls. Most of the embassy staff will live in simple, if 
not quite monastic, accommodation in one-bedroom apartments.

The US ambassador, however, will enjoy a little more elbow room in a 
high-security home on the compound reported to fill 16,000 square feet 
(1,500 sq metres). His deputy will have to make do with a more modest 9,500 
sq ft.

They will have a pool, gym and communal living areas, and the embassy will 
have its own power and water supplies.

But commentators and Iraq experts believe the project was flawed from its 
inception, and have raised concerns it will become an enormous, heavily 
targeted white elephant that will be an even greater liability if and when 
the Americans scale back their presence in Iraq.

"What you have is a situation in which they are building an embassy without 
really thinking about what its functions are," Edward Peck, a former 
American diplomat in Iraq, told AP.

"What kind of embassy is it when everybody lives inside and it's 
blast-proof, and people are running around with helmets and crouching behind 
sandbags?"

Since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003 about 1,000 US diplomatic and 
military staff have been using one of his former palaces as a make-shift 
embassy, which several observers have criticised as giving the regrettable 
impression that the
Americans merely replaced Saddam's authoritarian rule with their own.

Joost Hildermann, an Iraq analyst with the International Crisis Group, said 
of the new embassy: "This sends a really poor signal to Iraqis that the 
Americans are building such a huge compound in Baghdad. It does very little 
to assuage Iraqis who
are angry that America is running the country, and not very well at that."

The need to make the compound secure is a top priority. The Green Zone - the 
fortified four square miles in which the Iraqi and American governments and 
other international officials operate - used to be relatively peaceful but 
in recent months has come under almost daily rocket and mortar fire. This 
month the US embassy ordered its people to wear flak jackets and helmets at 
all times when in the open after four foreign contractors were killed by a 
rocket landing beside the present embassy.

The multiple cranes surrounding the construction site of the new embassy 
have already attracted attacks from insurgents. Last week five contractors 
were wounded in a rocket assault.

Despite the peculiar pressures, the Bush administration says the embassy 
will open in September, and be fully staffed by the end of the year.

Already, however, there have been suggestions that the compound will not be 
large enough to house hundreds of diplomats and military personnel likely to 
remain in Iraq for some time. Scores of US officials are currently housed in 
trailers which are vulnerable to bombs landing on their roofs. According to 
a report by McClatchy News, staff members have complained about the dangers 
only to be told they must wait until the new embassy is ready to take them 
in.

Toby Dodge, an expert on Iraq at Queen Mary, University of London, has just 
come back from a month spent in Iraq, largely in the Green Zone. He thinks 
the Americans are unlikely to pull out of Iraq fully until the end of the 
next presidency at
the earliest, and so the new embassy will serve its purpose for several 
years to come.

"A fortress-style embassy, with a huge staff, will remain in Baghdad until 
helicopters come to airlift the last man and woman from the roof," he said, 
adding his own advice to the architects of the building: "Include a large 
roof."

There is one added irony - the embassy is one of the few major projects the 
administration has undertaken in Iraq that is on schedule and within budget.

ht tp://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2084288,00.html 




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On Jun 4, 12:57 am, Joe  wrote:
> On Jun 3, 9:19 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "george"  wrote in message
>
> >news:1180903706.864419.121630@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Jun 4, 2:30 am, "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
> > >> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>
> > >> > It really burns the asses of these Asses that Lipstadt was able to
> > >> > completely defeat Irving without having to say a word.
>
> > >> She did plenty of moaning in the background, fat slag. Not to mention the
> > >> $13m dollars it cost to beat one little man who represented himself.
>
> > > A little 'man' who thought he was, like most nazis do, able to lie
> > > without reserve.>
>
> > he is not a little man, and he did not lie.
>
> The Judge says he did.
>
>  Irving told the truth. It is
>
> > millions in Jewish money that won an undefended law suit.
>
> No, dumbass. Irving is the one who sued and he lost.
>
>  Jewish Holocaust
>
> > tale is the biggest lie of the moder n times. Many Jewish writers agree with
> > this statement.
>
> Name them.

Alfred M. Lilienthal, for one, a Jew, a US diplomat, soldier, and a
very well known historian

Finkelstein, a Jew, son af a Holocaust victim, and a historian

If you want more let me know! And do not give me the shits challenging
their "Jewishness"



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On Jun 4, 4:04 am, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> In article , "Binyamin
>
>
>
> Cramer"  wrote:
> > "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message
> >news:holman-0406070635180001@c518-m3.eng.helsinki.fi...
> > > In article , "Binyamin
> > > Cramer"  wrote:
>
> > > 
>
> > >> . Jan 26, 2005: Still dining out on the Holocaust: Lipstadt reminisces in
> > >> the International Herald Tribune about her famous victory in the London
> > >> High
> > >> Court (she took the Fifth) and mentions her new book - it was going to be
> > >> called My Struggle (no kiddin').
>
> > > She didn't "take the Fifth" because the Bill of Rights has no validity in
> > > the UK, where the trial was held.
>
> > Ya fucking idiot. It was a piece of vernacular, used so the dumb Merkins
> > could understand what the lying turdess did.
>
> > Get a grip, willya.
>
> Get your facts straight.
>
> Professor Deborah Lipstadt didn't lie. The two levels of British justice
> came to precisely the same conclusion that she had come to, even to the
> point of going beyond it.
>
> Professor Deborah Lipstadt published a book in 1993 in which she
> profferred professional criticism concerning David Irving's competence as
> a historian, his agenda, and his associates.
>
> She and her British publisher, Penguin Books Ltd., were consequently sued
> for libel by David Irving after the publication of the book in the UK.
>
> Her defence team had no difficulty producing dozens of examples of
> evidence fabrication, manipulating dates, deliberate mistranslation, and
> outright professional malpractice in David Irving's pre-1993 writings.
> They also had no difficulty demonstrating that David Irving had become a
> mouthpiece for right-wing extremists and Holocaust deniers, as Prof.
> Lipstadt had also stated in her book.
>
> Thus, David Irving lost the case, because Prof. Lipstadt's defence team
> succeeding in demonstrating to the court that the professional criticism
> that  she had proferred concerning David Irving's competence as a
> historian, his agenda, and his associates was substantially true, fully
> justified, and thus, by definition, not libelous. The Court of Appeals
> reviewed the verdict and came to precisely the same conclusion.
>
> No matter how much you moan, quetch, snap, or snarl, this was the result
> of the legal action.
>
> QED
>
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


If Lipstadt did not lie, George Bush is a most honest person in the
Universe



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From:  Venceremos 
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that is a fact. Not that Nazis did not kill about 50 million people.
They did. But they did not kill 6 million Jews because there were less
than four million Jews in the Europe accessible to the Nazis..

Jews lie because they want the money. They think that the world owes
them sympathy and the money as well.



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On Jun 4, 3:16 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On  4-Jun-2007, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > ElParedon wrote:
> > > > Yes. Jews are made up of many different races.
>
> > > Yes, But Jewish claim to the land of Palestine is based upon the fact
> > > that you are descendants of the original Jews. You are NOT!
>
> > Yes I am. I have had relatives living there continuously for four hundred
> > years.
>
> Even if you haven't, we are.
> They want to screech about "jew [sic] DNA", and yet when anything
> smacking of that proves them to be liars,

Nobody is screeching about anything, Irish, nor does anyone give a
fuck who shitted you out. The point is that Jewish claim based upon
their descendancy from Israelites, is completely invalid.




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On Jun 4, 7:26 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Comment: The campaign to delegitimize Israel
> By DAVID HOROVITZ
> 18 Sivan 5767, Monday, June 4, 2007 14:16 IST
>
> Talkbacks for this article: 73
>
> A two-hour drive, at most, from here, in a lawless land, extortionists
> are holding a British journalist captive to try and delegitimize my
> country.
>
> The kidnapping of the BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza,

THAT IS A LIE, ALAN JOHNSTON IS HELD BY ZIONAZIS, NO PALESTINIAN WOULD
EVER KIDNAP A CHAMPION OF PALESTINIAN RIGHTS LIKE ALAN JOHNSTON!



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 800,000 Christians protected under Saddam, now killed under Bush
Agence France-Presse



Catholic priest shot dead in Iraq

>From correspondents in Mosul

June 03, 2007 03:37am


A Catholic priest and three of his assistants were shot dead overnight 
outside a church in northern Iraq, the local police commander said.

Brigadier-General Mohammed al-Wagaa, police chief in the divided northern 
city of Mosul, said the cleric and his colleagues had been shot dead outside 
the Holy Spirit church in the Nur district.

"They finished mass ... and the four of them got into the priest's car to 
drive away. After they had gone about 100m a car cut them off. Four armed 
men got out and shot them dead," he said.

The Catholic news agency Asianews identified the victims as 31-year-old 
Father Ragheed Ganni and his three assistants.

Last month, the leaders of Iraq's Christian minority called on the country's 
beleaguered government to protect their community from attacks by 
al-Qaeda-inspired Muslim extremists.

In a joint statement, Patriarch Mar Dinka IV of the Assyrian Church of the 
East and the Chaldaean Catholic Patriarch Emmanuel Delly of Babylon said 
Baghdad's remaining Christians were facing persecution.

They blamed the so-called Islamic State of Iraq, an alliance of Islamist 
insurgent groups that serves as an al-Qaeda front, for much of the violence.

"Christians in a number of Iraqi regions, especially those under the control 
of the so-called Islamic State of Iraq, have faced blackmail, kidnapping and 
displacement," the May 10 statement said.

Before the US-led invasion of March 2003, there were estimated to be about 
800,000 Christians in Iraq, about three per cent of the otherwise largely 
Muslim population, living mainly in urban centres such as Baghdad.

Although there were some attacks on churches in the immediate aftermath of 
the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, Iraq's Christians were not especially 
targeted while rival Sunni and Shiite Muslim factions went to war.

As a relatively wealthy community, however, many Christians fell prey to 
kidnap and ransom gangs and many - probably more than half - of them have 
fled the country or moved to the relative safety of Iraqi Kurdistan.

Now there are reports that Salafist groups such as al-Qaeda, fundamentalists 
who believe Islam can be renewed by returning to the values of the era of 
the Prophet Mohammed, are targeting Christians on purely sectarian grounds.

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent 
bipartisan government agency, last month voiced concern at the deteriorating 
situation for freedom of religion and belief in Iraq.

Christian communities now face the threat of eradication in their historic 
homelands in Iraq under pervasive and severe violence and discrimination at 
the hands of both government and non-government actors, it warned.


http://uruknet.info/?p=m33389&hd=&size=1&l=e


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Pope, saddened by killing of priest and 3 aides in Iraq, prays for 
reconciliation
The Associated PressPublished: June 4, 2007


VATICAN CITY: Pope Benedict XVI was saddened by the slaying of a Catholic 
priest and three of the cleric's aides in front of a church in an attack on 
Christians in northern Iraq, he said Monday.

Vatican Radio, citing Asia News, a Vatican-affiliated news agency, said that 
the four had just left the church in Mosul on Sunday after Mass when 
attackers gunned them down.

"The Holy Father was deeply saddened to learn of the senseless killing of 
Father Ragheed Aziz Ganni" and three assistants, according to a condolence 
telegram sent in the pope's name by his secretary of state, Cardinal 
Tarcisio Bertone.

The cardinal has said Benedict plans to discuss the Iraq war and the plight 
of Christians in Iraq when he meets with U.S. President George W. Bush on 
Saturday at the Vatican.

In the message about the slain churchmen, Benedict "joins the Christian 
community in Mosul in commending their souls to the infinite mercy of God 
... and in giving thanks for their selfless witness to the Gospel."

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shield Germany steps up security for G-8 summit
Benedict also was praying that "their costly sacrifice will inspire in the 
hearts of all men and women of good will a renewed resolve to reject the 
ways of hatred and violence, to conquer evil with good and to cooperate in 
hastening the dawn of reconciliation, justice and peace in Iraq."

In an interview with a Catholic daily published on Sunday, Bertone said 
Benedict was concerned about the worsening situation of Christians in Iraq. 
Benedict has spoken out about the war, saying in his Easter message that 
"nothing positive" was coming out of that nation, torn by continual 
slaughter.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/04/europe/EU-GEN-Vatican-Iraq.php 




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  Palestine must be vacated by the long noses 




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 wrote in message news:y2Y8i.6011$443.3256@trnddc05...
>
> On  4-Jun-2007, AnonMoos  wrote:
>
>> That's nice -- until the late 19th-century, the husband's right of
>> "moderate
>> physical chastisement" over his wife was accepted and legitimized in most
>> Common Law jurisidctions, and a few conservative groups still suppprt it.
>> But the difference between Christianity and Islam is that Jesus said
>> nothing whatsoever about the right to beat one's wife in the Bible, while
>> Muhammad most definitely did give each Muslim man an explicit right to
>> beat his wives in the Qur'an!
>
> I will NEVER forget the OJ trial when a co-worker said, in a tone
> of dismay that it was undersatndable, because "she was his wife,
> and she was cheating on him!"
>
> I was so astounded at the combination of ignorance and sexism
> that I actually had to count to five with deep breaths before I
> answered her.
>
> It's not just Muslim culture which treats women like chattel.
>
> Susan

You are so right! In USA 260, women and children, are raped and murdered or 
both, every single day, BY THE MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN FAMILIES 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "cactus"  wrote in message 
>> news:5hN8i.14324$C96.5144@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>> J Young wrote:
>>>> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>>>> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>>
>> Unfortunately, for themselves, Jews have self destructed since the 
>> beginning of time. Ever seen Merchant of Venice?
> Great commentary on Judaism.  You know how to pick 'em.  I'll bet you read 
> Chick tracts in your spare time.

I READ SHAKSPEARE!  HOW ABOUT YOU? 




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 wrote in message 
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> WHILE WE KNOW THEY DIE FROM ENVY!

Those practising usury usually do!
>
>
> On Jun 4, 6:25 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "cactus"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5hN8i.14324$C96.5144@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> >J Young wrote:
>> >> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>> >> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>>
>> Unfortunately, for themselves, Jews have self destructed since the 
>> beginning
>> of time. Ever seen Merchant of Venice?
>
> 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "Parsifal"  wrote in message 
>> news:1180935963.856858.284920@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 4 juin, 07:08, J Young  wrote:
>>>> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>>>> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>>> Antisemitism, as shown by your regular postings, is known to be
>>> rampant among the intellectually challenged people, the mediocres and
>>> the envious.
>>> Unfortunately, there's no medication against it.
>>> The people affected by this disease are called "nazi turds".
>> DO YOU7 STILL INSIST THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES? NO WAY! MOST OF THEM ARE 
>> ASHKENAZI MONGOLS
> Not Mongols, but Khazars

Khazaria was mostly populated by Mongols, Tatars, Uigurs and Basmachi 




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"Parsifal"  wrote in message 
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> On 4 juin, 08:14, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Parsifal"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1180935963.856858.284920@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...> On 4 juin, 
>> 07:08, J Young  wrote:
>> >> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>> >> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>>
>> > Antisemitism, as shown by your regular postings, is known to be
>> > rampant among the intellectually challenged people, the mediocres and
>> > the envious.
>> > Unfortunately, there's no medication against it.
>> > The people affected by this disease are called "nazi turds".
>>
>> DO YOU7 STILL INSIST THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES? NO WAY! MOST OF THEM ARE
>> ASHKENAZI MONGOLS
>
> I don't insist on anything. In common language, when someone is
> "antisemite", it means that he/she's prejudiced against Jews.
> Now, if you want to do a semantic debate, that's another story and
> this isn't the point. This J Young -and a few others- is a typical
> nazi posing as a christian.
> Your country fought -rightly so- against such people in the 1940s.

I fought the Nazis in 1940's, and I insist that Jews are not semites, at 
least 85% of the are not! 




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...AND YOU DARE TO BLAME MUSLIMS FOR VIOLENCE!
Violent crime up again, more murders, robberies
By James Vicini Mon Jun 4, 9:45 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More murders and robberies in 2006 sent U.S. violent 
crimes higher for the second straight year, the

FBI said on Monday, with the increase blamed on gangs, youth violence, gun 
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Corpus Christi, Texas; Grand Rapids, Michigan; Reno, Nevada and Little Rock, 
Arkansas.

Even though the higher violent crime numbers had been expected, they still 
represented bad news for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who has targeted 
violent crime as a top priority for the U.S. Justice Department.

A department study released last month of 18 metropolitan areas cited more 
violence by local gangs or street crews, a greater prevalence of guns in the 
hands of criminals and younger, more violent offenders as key reasons for 
the rising crime rates.

Criminologists agreed with those reasons and also said there are fewer 
police on the beat. They cited the Bush administration's shift in emphasis 
to prevent terrorism since the September 11 attacks and funding cuts for 
programs to put more police officers on the street.

'WAKE-UP CALL'

"The fact that we are seeing these increases several years in a row should 
be a wake-up call," said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminal justice at 
Northeastern University in Boston.

"There's a tendency to think the sky is falling. It's not," said Fox, noting 
the increases have been relatively small. "We're not talking about an 
epidemic here."

David Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at 
the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said the crime 
problems appear to be spreading to medium-sized and smaller cities.

He said the emergence of deadly drug crews or street gangs can have a 
potentially profound impact on a city's homicide or gun assault rate.

Lawrence Sherman, director of a criminology center at the University of 
Pennsylvania, called it an unusual pattern that murder is going up in some 
big cities, but down in others.

One possible explanation is that some police departments are doing much more 
to catch people illegally carrying concealed weapons, he said.

In the FBI report, murders nationwide increased overall by 0.3 percent. The 
increase in big cities was nearly offset by declines in non-metropolitan 
areas.

In the violent crime category, burglaries and murders increased nationwide 
while the number of rapes declined by nearly 2 percent and aggravated 
assaults fell slightly.

Violent crime went up in every region of the country except for the 
Northeast. The largest increase occurred in the West at 2.8 percent.

The number of so-called property crimes declined by nearly 3 percent. 
Burglaries and arsons increased while motor vehicle theft and larcenies and 
thefts decreased.

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GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) - A military judge on Monday dismissed 
terrorism-related charges against a prisoner charged with killing an 
American soldier in Afghanistan, in a stunning reversal for the Bush 
administration's attempts to try Guantanamo detainees in military court.
The chief of military defense attorneys at Guantanamo Bay, Marine Col. 
Dwight Sullivan, said the ruling in the case of Canadian detainee Omar Khadr 
could spell the end of the war-crimes trial system set up last year by 
Congress and President Bush after the Supreme Court threw out the previous 
system.

But Omar Khadr, who was 15 when he was captured after a deadly firefight in 
Afghanistan and who is now 20, will remain at the remote U.S. military base 
along with some 380 other men suspected of links to al-Qaida and the 
Taliban.

The judge, Army Col. Peter Brownback, said he had no choice but to throw the 
Khadr case out because he had been classified as an "enemy combatant" by a 
military panel years earlier-and not as an "alien unlawful enemy combatant."

The Military Commissions Act, signed by Bush last year, specifically says 
that only those classified as "unlawful" enemy combatants can face war 
trials here, Brownback noted during the arraignment in a hilltop courtroom 
on this U.S. military base.

Sullivan said the dismissal of Khadr case has "huge" impact because none of 
the detainees held at this isolated military base in southeast Cuba has been 
found to be an "unlawful" enemy combatant.

"It is not just a technicality-it's the latest demonstration that this 
newest system just does not work," Sullivan told journalists. "It is a 
system of justice that does not comport with American values."

Sullivan said the judge hearing the case of the only other Guantanamo 
detainee currently charged with crimes is not bound by Brownback's ruling 
but that he expected the judge would make the same decision.

That other detainee is Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who is accused of chauffeuring 
Osama bin Laden and being the al-Qaida chief's bodyguard. His arraignment 
was scheduled for Monday afternoon.

Brownback's ruling came just minutes into Khadr's arraignment, in which he 
faced charges he committed murder in violation of the law of war, attempted 
murder in violation of the law of war, conspiracy, providing material 
support for terrorism and spying.

"The charges are dismissed without prejudice," Brownback said as he 
adjourned the proceeding.

Khadr was captured after a firefight in 2002 in which he was wounded and 
allegedly killed a U.S. Army soldier with a grenade. He appeared in the 
courtroom with a beard and wearing an olive-green prison uniform.

Only three detainees held here have been charged under the new military 
tribunal system. The third, Australian David Hicks, pleaded guilty in March 
to providing material support to al-Qaida and is serving out a nine-month 
sentence in Australia.

A prosecuting attorney said he would appeal the dismissal of the case.

Under the new war-crimes trial system, the prosecution has 72 hours to 
appeal, but the court designated to hear the appeal-known as the court of 
military commissions review-doesn't even exist, Sullivan noted.

Even as the U.S. military hoped to rev up its prosecutions of Guantanamo 
detainees-with the Pentagon saying it expects to eventually charge about 80 
of the 380 prisoners held at this isolated base-questions lingered about the 
legitimacy of the process.

The Supreme Court, ruling in favor of a lawsuit brought by Hamdan, last June 
threw out a previous military tribunal system that was set up in the wake of 
the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, calling it unconstitutional. Congress responded 
with new guidelines for war- crimes trials and Bush signed them into law.

Hamdan's attorney, Navy Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, told The Associated Press 
he will challenge the new system, insisting it also is unconstitutional.

For one, the Military Commissions Act retroactively made certain acts such 
as conspiracy a crime, Swift said.

"This case raises significant questions" about the separation of powers, 
Swift said. "Congress cannot violate the Constitution to fix things ... but 
they are backdating anything and making it a crime."

Hamdan is charged with conspiracy-centered on his alleged membership in 
al-Qaida and purported role in plotting to attack civilians and civilian 
targets-and with providing material support for terrorism. As part of the 
second charge, Hamdan is accused of transporting at least one SA-7 
surface-to-air missile to shoot down U.S. and coalition military aircraft in 
Afghanistan in November 2001.

Hamdan's alleged war crimes were committed between February 1996 and 
November 2001, according to the charge sheet. Swift, in the interview, said 
some acts predate the start of the Bush administration's war against 
terrorism, saying it generally is considered to be Sept. 11, 2001.

But Army Lt. Col. William Britt, the chief prosecutor in the Hamdan case, 
told the AP there is no established date when hostilities commenced and that 
the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center could be construed as the war's 
opening shot.

In an interview Sunday at Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington-as 
prosecutors, defense attorneys, human rights monitors and journalists waited 
to board a plane to Guantanamo for the arraignments-Britt said he expects a 
courtroom battle over the matters Swift raised.

"These are novel issues," Britt said. "We're talking about new legislation, 
with the Military Commissions Act of 2006. We, the government, are looking 
forward to litigating (them)."

The son of an alleged al-Qaida financier, Khadr is accused of killing U.S. 
Army Sgt. Christopher Speer with a grenade during a firefight in Afghanistan 
on July 27, 2002.

Khadr's attorneys had decried the charges against him, saying he was a child 
soldier and should be rehabilitated, not imprisoned.

"The U.S. will be the first country in modern history to try an individual 
who was a child at the time of the alleged war crimes," the attorneys said 
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"Jedi"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 3, 7:47 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Jedi"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1180934960.673345.260790@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 3, 5:55 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> "Acarya"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:46638526$0$3218$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> >> > Russia upgrades nuclear missiles
>>
>> >> > Russia says it is deploying a mobile version of its most important
>> >> > long-range nuclear missile.
>> >> > Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said the new Topol-M missiles would 
>> >> > be
>> >> > able
>> >> > to penetrate a multi-layered missile defence system.
>>
>> >> > Russia already has 42 fixed-site Topol-M missile systems, Russia's
>> >> > Itar-Tass news agency reports.
>>
>> >> > The missile, known in the West as the SS-27, has a range of more 
>> >> > than
>> >> > 10,000km (6,200 miles).
>>
>> >> > Mounted on a heavy off-road launch vehicle, it is harder to detect 
>> >> > than
>> >> > the earlier version, which has been in service for more than 20 
>> >> > years.
>>
>> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6209236.stm
>>
>> >> > Putin unveils 'new super missile'
>> >> > Russia has developed missiles capable of penetrating any missile
>> >> > defence
>> >> > system, President Vladimir Putin says.
>>
>> >> > Mr Putin said the new missiles were capable of carrying nuclear
>> >> > warheads,
>> >> > adding that he had briefed French President Jacques Chirac on the
>> >> > system.
>>
>> >> > However, he refused to say whether the Russian military had already
>> >> > commissioned the new missiles.
>>
>> >> > The Russian leader was speaking at his annual press conference in
>> >> > Moscow
>> >> > to international journalists.
>>
>> >> > "Russia last year tested missile systems that no-one in the world 
>> >> > has
>> >> > and
>> >> > won't have for a long time," he said, quoted by Russian news 
>> >> > agencies.
>>
>> >> > "These missile systems don't represent a response to a missile 
>> >> > defense
>> >> > system, but they are immune to that. They are hypersonic and capable 
>> >> > of
>> >> > changing their flight path."
>>
>> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4667532.stm
>>
>> >> > Russia bares its military teeth
>>
>> >> > Mr Ivanov was speaking in Moscow at a conference of the Russian
>> >> > military
>> >> > leadership.
>>
>> >> > In an apparent reference to the US-led invasion of Iraq, Mr Ivanov 
>> >> > said
>> >> > that the use of force without UN approval could encourage countries 
>> >> > to
>> >> > acquire a nuclear potential.
>>
>> >> > But he said that Russia could not rule out the use of force itself 
>> >> > "if
>> >> > the
>> >> > interests of Russia or its alliance obligations demand it".
>>
>> >> > Russia's new national security doctrine, unveiled last year, allows 
>> >> > the
>> >> > use of all possible force, including nuclear weapons, to oppose
>> >> > attacks,
>> >> > if all other methods fail.
>>
>> >> > Previously, Russia said it would only use nuclear weapons if its
>> >> > national
>> >> > sovereignty was under threat.
>>
>> >> > Addressing Thursday's meeting, Mr Putin said Russia had "at her
>> >> > disposal a
>> >> > considerable... stockpile of heavy ground-launched strategic
>> >> > missiles...".
>>
>> >> > "Their combat characteristics, including the surmounting of any 
>> >> > systems
>> >> > of
>> >> > anti-missile defences, are unrivalled," he said.
>>
>> >> > The president added that the arsenal included many strategic nuclear
>> >> > missiles never before deployed.
>>
>> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3159044.stm
>>
>> >> Putin is not afraid of anything, much less of the Bush's "shield. The
>> >> concern here is the fact that the shield consists of hundreds of small
>> >> Nuclear weapons, which can be used to destroy the missiles at high
>> >> altitude
>> >> as well as  that they can be used as land attack nuclear weapons.
>>
>> > The missiles use conventional explosives for defensive use.
>>
>> >> If these weapons are not directed against Russia, whose natural 
>> >> resources
>> >> are coveted by US, who are they directed against?
>>
>> > I thought we have been through this boring cold war rhetoric before?
>>
>> > Certainly not against
>> >> Iran. If they were directed against Iran they would be placed near 
>> >> Iran!
>>
>> > Putin should try to believe in the defensive security his European
>> > partners, after all look who has helped the terrorist state of Iran's
>> > nuclear ambitions. More old world hypocrisy do you think?
>>
>> AFTER ALL THE LIES BUSH AND HIS BEDMATE HAVE TOLD,PUTIN WOULD BE CRAZY TO
>> BELIEVE A WORD WHAT THEY SAY!
>
>
> You have not answered the title question. In spite of Putin's own
> offensive arms buildup he accuses the U.S. of starting an arms race.
> So who is lying?

USA has 700 military bases around the world, R ussia has only about 5, and 
they are inactive. It was bush who pulled out of the Treaty not Putin. It 
was Bush who wanted to install the miniature nuclear bombs right on Russian 
border. Putin would be crazy not to escalate. US wants the Russian 
resources, that is all! 




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"jgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 3, 7:53 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars, their origins are in Southern Caucasus.
>> Ashkenazis are white, blond, blue eyed!<
>
> Many so-called "Arabs" are also blonde haired, blue-eyed Circassians,

True! But they do not pretend to be anything besides the descendants of the 
French Crusaders, who landed on the island of Rosetta in 1258, and were 
trapped there for months by the floods of the Nile. And they do not claim a 
country for themselves. I know Jews who live in Egypt and who digusted with 
the ZioNazi occupation of Palestine. 




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"Parsifal"  wrote in message 
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> On 4 Jun., 20:17, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Parsifal"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1180941816.643626.281970@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 4 juin, 08:14, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> >> "Parsifal"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1180935963.856858.284920@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...> On 4 
>> >>juin,
>> >> 07:08, J Young  wrote:
>> >> >> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>> >> >> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the 
>> >> >> Jews?
>>
>> >> > Antisemitism, as shown by your regular postings, is known to be
>> >> > rampant among the intellectually challenged people, the mediocres 
>> >> > and
>> >> > the envious.
>> >> > Unfortunately, there's no medication against it.
>> >> > The people affected by this disease are called "nazi turds".
>>
>> >> DO YOU7 STILL INSIST THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES? NO WAY! MOST OF THEM ARE
>> >> ASHKENAZI MONGOLS
>>
>> > I don't insist on anything. In common language, when someone is
>> > "antisemite", it means that he/she's prejudiced against Jews.
>> > Now, if you want to do a semantic debate, that's another story and
>> > this isn't the point. This J Young -and a few others- is a typical
>> > nazi posing as a christian.
>> > Your country fought -rightly so- against such people in the 1940s.
>>
>> I fought the Nazis in 1940's, and I insist that Jews are not semites, at
>> least 85% of the are not!-
>
> Good for you. I don't see how fighting the nazis makes you a
> specialist in linguistic but why not...
> When I take my Webster dictionary, under "antisemitism", I read
> "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or
> racial group."
> So, I'll continue to use that word that way and you'll contact
> Webster, OK?
You can use what you want, but being , say anti  German, does not make you 
anti French. Semites are defined as a linguistic group which includes Arabs. 
Considering the simple fact that about half Israelis never learnt to speak 
Hebrew, and those that did are not native speakers of the semitic tongue, 
how can you be "anti semitic" towards someone who is NOT a semite? 




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 wrote in message 
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On 4 Jun., 20:17, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> "Parsifal"  wrote in message
>
> news:1180941816.643626.281970@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 juin, 08:14, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> >> "Parsifal"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1180935963.856858.284920@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...> On 4 
> >>juin,
> >> 07:08, J Young  wrote:
> >> >> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
> >> >> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>
> >> > Antisemitism, as shown by your regular postings, is known to be
> >> > rampant among the intellectually challenged people, the mediocres and
> >> > the envious.
> >> > Unfortunately, there's no medication against it.
> >> > The people affected by this disease are called "nazi turds".
>
> >> DO YOU7 STILL INSIST THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES? NO WAY! MOST OF THEM ARE
> >> ASHKENAZI MONGOLS
>
> > I don't insist on anything. In common language, when someone is
> > "antisemite", it means that he/she's prejudiced against Jews.
> > Now, if you want to do a semantic debate, that's another story and
> > this isn't the point. This J Young -and a few others- is a typical
> > nazi posing as a christian.
> > Your country fought -rightly so- against such people in the 1940s.
>
> I fought the Nazis in 1940's, and I insist that Jews are not semites, at
> least 85% of the are not!- Skjul tekst i anfÝrselstegn -
>

Even if that were true, what relevance does it have?  Your bigotry
still exists, and the word used to describe your form of irrational
hate is "antisemitism".

Towards someone who is not a semite? Are you crazy? 




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"Matt Silberstein"  wrote in 
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> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:08:45 -0700, in alt.atheism , J Young
>  in
> <1180933725.993781.284500@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>  wrote:
>
>>Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>>beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
> So now you agree with the secular atheist Europeans.
>
> [snip]
>
>
> -- 
> Matt Silberstein
>
> Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE JEWISH GENOCIDE OF PALESTINIANS! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On 4 Jun., 20:13, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "cactus"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:sJO8i.12564$rO7.11359@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> > ElParedon wrote:
>> >> "cactus"  wrote in message
>> >>news:5hN8i.14324$C96.5144@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>> >>> J Young wrote:
>> >>>> Just wondering: Is it possible that every single society, since the
>> >>>> beginning of time, can be wrong in their attitudes towards the Jews?
>>
>> >> Unfortunately, for themselves, Jews have self destructed since the
>> >> beginning of time. Ever seen Merchant of Venice?
>> > Great commentary on Judaism.  You know how to pick 'em.  I'll bet you 
>> > read
>> > Chick tracts in your spare time.
>>
>> I READ SHAKSPEARE!  HOW ABOUT YOU?
>
> Did you notice that the Merchant of Venice is fiction written by a
> Christian, and that Shylock is a sympathetic character?

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT WS WROTE WHICH IS NOT FICTION BASED ON DAILY LIFE? 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> According to Knesset Minutes a Jew is only a person whose mother is a
> Jew.  Converts are considered proselytes and are not allowed to serve
> in any governmental capacity in Medinot Israel.
> http://www.knesset.gov.il/broadcast/eng/screen_eng.asp
>
> All persons that do not have a Jewish mother are not Jews.

Most Mongol Ashkenazi mothers are descended from Mongols. Just like Adolf 
Sharon. Take a look at him! Semite? No way! 




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 In USA 260 women and  children are murdered, raped, or both every single 
day by the members of their own families. The figures are higher now, refer 
to my post on the subject of crime in USA. 




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 > When and if there is a suggestion that such a genocide occurs I will.
> Meanwhile I will just point out that the population of Palestinians
> has increased every year of the last 50. If Israel were committing
> genocide it is doing a horrible job of it. I might also point out that
> Lebanon has besieged a Palestinian refugee camp and the world has not
> complained.
>
 You have to understand what you blabber about, Matt. The Palestinian camp 
fighters are paid $700 per month by the Zionists and CIA in order to 
destabilize Lebanon. Labanese army together with Hezbollah are the only ones 
opposed to them 




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"melchizedek"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> Close to a dozen members of both houses of Congress were in Israel
>> this week.
>>
>> Among the delegations were a Senate team including Sen. Patrick Leahy
>> (D-Vt.), Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) and Sen.
>> Chick Hagel (R-Neb.); a Florida team including Rep. Ileana Ros-
>> Lehtinen (D-Fla.) and Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), who joined for a
>> time a trade delegation led by Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R.); Sen.
>> Joe Liberman (I-Conn.), traveling on his own; a four-person delegation
>> led by Rep. David Price (D-N.C.), who chairs the U.S. House of
>> Representatives Democracy Assistance Commission, which advocates for
>> assistance to democratic governments; and Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.)
>> on a two-week tour of Europe and the Middle East focusing on
>> Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe issues and
>> culminating in the OSCE conference on anti-Semitism next week in
>> Romania.... See more at the URL below.
>>
>> http://adlonline.us/#legislators_in_israel
>>
>>
>  It'd save time and phone calls :-)
>   BTW, Didnt they give the Crypto Fascist Netanayhu an office
>   in the Capitol building when he was there last year whipping
>   up support for the bombing of Iran ?
>   M.

They certainly did! AIPAC and many other Jewish lobbiists have dozens of 
offices on K street short walk from Capitol 




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On Jun 4, 8:26 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > "Tilly"  wrote in message
> >news:f4039j$hsa$1@aioe.org...
> > > ElParedon wrote:
> > > > > Yes. Jews are made up of many different races.
>
> > > > Yes, But Jewish claim to the land of Palestine is based upon the
> > > > fact that you are descendants of the original Jews. You are NOT!
>
> > > Yes I am. I have had relatives living there continuously for four
> > > hundred years.
>
> > Horseshit.
>
> It's the truth.I have ME Jews in my family.

So you are an Arab pretending to be a kike



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On Jun 4, 8:44 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
>
> 
>
>  I know Jews who live in Egypt
>
> > and who digusted with the ZioNazi occupation of Palestine.
>
> All 39 of them-that is all that are left -they are official Egyptian census
> figures..

Bullshit! There are thousands of Jews living around Zagazig, Dakahleya
and Alexandria areas who are not advertising the fact. Some of them
have served in the Egyptian army against Israel

> --
> femail1...@NOSPAM.gmail.com




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On Jun 4, 11:46 pm, Michael Ejercito  wrote:
> On Jun 4, 10:30 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>
> > On Jun 4, 3:16 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > > On  4-Jun-2007, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > > > ElParedon wrote:
> > > > > > Yes. Jews are made up of many different races.
>
> > > > > Yes, But Jewish claim to the land of Palestine is based upon the fact
> > > > > that you are descendants of the original Jews. You are NOT!
>
> > > > Yes I am. I have had relatives living there continuously for four hundred
> > > > years.
>
> > > Even if you haven't, we are.
> > > They want to screech about "jew [sic] DNA", and yet when anything
> > > smacking of that proves them to be liars,
>
> > Nobody is screeching about anything, Irish, nor does anyone give a
> > fuck who shitted you out. The point is that Jewish claim based upon
> > their descendancy from Israelites, is completely invalid.
>
>    It is certainly more valid than your claim of being descended from
> vertebrates.
>
>  Michael

Jewish claim of being of Middle Eastern descendancy as valid as
Susan's claim to be a Jewess. She is simply an oportunist who met some
guy with a stash, and decided to become his bedmate



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Cindy Sheehan is the Founder and President of Gold Star Families for Peace. 
When her son Casey was killed in Iraq in the spring of 2004, she threw 
herself into the campaign to end the war.

Sheehan became a thorn in the side of President Bush, following him wherever 
he went. She camped outside the White House and established "Camp Casey" 
next to the Bush ranch in Crawford, Texas. Her challenge to the president 
was simple and heartfelt:

"You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me 
that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died so you 
can spread the cancer of imperialism in the Middle East. You tell me that."

Democrats and liberals loved Sheehan when she attacked Bush and the 
Republicans, but they turned on her when she held them to the same standard.

The Democrats were swept into Congress on a wave of popular revolt against 
the war. Despite their anti-war posturing, they gave Bush billions more 
dollars to continue the war. Outraged, Sheehan condemned the Democrats as 
heartless hypocrites:

  "How can you even go to sleep at night or look at yourselves in a mirror? 
How do you put behind you the screaming mothers on both sides of the 
conflict? How does the agony you have created escape you? It will never 
escape me...I can't run far enough or hide well enough to get away from it."

The Democrats have shown themselves to be just as committed to dominating 
the Middle East as the Republicans. In 1998, Democratic President Bill 
Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act to force regime-change in Iraq. 
Barely two months later, he ordered the bombing of Baghdad. And it was 
Clinton who presided over the deadly UN embargo against Iraq.

Neither of the two Bush presidents could have invaded Iraq if the groundwork 
had not been laid by Democrats. And the war could not continue if Democrats 
did not support it. Both parties serve a capitalist class that is determined 
to dominate the world, and controlling the Middle East is central to that 
domination.

We expect to be attacked by our enemies. We don't expect to be betrayed by 
our friends. Back-stabbing Democrats accomplished what Bush and his 
supporters could not - they brought Cindy Sheehan to her knees. On Memorial 
Day, she announced that she was too depleted to continue fighting.

Sheehan urges us to "figure a way out of this two-party system that is 
bought and paid for by the war machine." However, sections of the anti-war 
movement will continue to back the Democrats, no matter how often this 
proves to be a dead-end, because the only real alternative is to reject the 
entire capitalist project.

We owe Cindy Sheehan a tremendous debt. She shouted the truth in a world 
full of lies. She confronted the war mongers and unmasked the hypocrites. In 
her exhaustion, she confirms that none of us can change the world alone. We 
must step up the fight to end the war NOW.

Dr. Susan Rosenthal has been practicing medicine for more than 30 years and 
has written many articles on the relationship between health and human 
relationships. She is also the author of Striking Flint: Genora (Johnson) 
Dollinger Remembers the 1936-1937 General Motors Sit-Down Strike (1996) and 
Market Madness and Mental Illness: The Crisis in Mental Health Care (1999) 
and Power and Powerlessness. She is a member of the National Writers Union, 
UAW Local 1981. She can be reached through her blog: 
www.powerandpowerlessness.typepad.com








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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f42aug$i9n$1@aioe.org...
> A Polish woman, who for 60 years had been holding onto the diary of a 
> young
> Jewish girl killed by the Nazis in 1943, has presented the journal to
> Israel's Holocaust memorial.

Fresh off the ZioNazi pres! Written in ball point pen just like Ann Frank's 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 4, 11:17 pm, The Revd  wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 1:05 am, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
>>
>> > According to Knesset Minutes a Jew is only a person whose mother is a
>> > Jew.  Converts are considered proselytes and are not allowed to serve
>> > in any governmental capacity in Medinot 
>> > Israel.http://www.knesset.gov.il/broadcast/eng/screen_eng.asp
>>
>> > All persons that do not have a Jewish mother are not Jews.
>>
>> Having a jew mother isn't enough to make anyone 100% jewish.   For
>> that you need a jew father too.
>   Any proof?
>
>
> Michael
PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING IDIOT! 




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 >> USA has 700 military bases around the world, R ussia has only about 5, 
and
>> they are inactive.
>
>
> The bases are there with the permission of the local governments.
Like Hell they are. The people of Europe are opposed to American bases, as 
are the people of other countries. Their corrupt leaders may sell out to US 
that does not mean that people approve of their countries becoming satelites 
of United States

Kazakhstan, for instance is kicking out the US base of its soil pressured by 
the popular opinion
>
>
>> It was bush who pulled out of the Treaty not Putin.
>
>
> Putin still does not understand that it was America that was
> repeatedly and mercilessly attacked by suicide muslim terrorists
No, it was not 911 was an inside job, and subsequesnt cover up proves that 
Osama had nothing to do with it

and
> only America can look out for its own security against such a hidden
> and evil enemy.
United States is the most feared and despised country in the world today!

> http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2001/12/13/abm_bush011213.html
>
> It
>> was Bush who wanted to install the miniature nuclear bombs right on 
>> Russian
>> border. Putin would be crazy not to escalate. US wants the Russian
>> resources, that is all!
>
>
> I hope Putin has more intelligence than you.
I hope he stands up to the Zionist entente of United States 




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 The Western reaction to the words of Vladimir Putin is, as predictable, 
immature, ignorant, jingoistic and biased!

A critical moment in history
Front page / Opinion / Columnists
05.06.2007 Source:

The Western reaction to the words of Vladimir Putin is, as predictable, 
immature, ignorant, jingoistic and biased, since it does nothing to analyse 
the causes of Russia's reaction to what can only constitute a provocation. 
This is a critical moment in the history of Europe and the world, and one, 
which requires more diplomacy, dialogue and debate than drum-beating and 
harking back to Cold War rhetoric.


To every action, there is a reaction. This is a basic law of physics and one 
which is so patently obvious, it goes without saying. Not so, however, for a 
huge number of western Press outlets which seized upon the words of 
President Vladimir Putin regarding pointing missiles at Europe in response 
to the USA's belligerent, aggressive and antagonistic attitude towards 
international relations, painting Russia as a threat and saying nothing 
about the causes and origins of Moscow's stance.

Nothing was said of the USA's recent history in international relations, 
namely the illegal act of butchery in Iraq based upon lies. War crimes have 
been committed, hundreds of thousands of civilians have been murdered, 
Nazi-style torture chambers and concentration camps have been set up, yet 
how many media outlets in Europe raise an eyebrow? Few, because many western 
European countries also have blood on their hands by giving Washington the 
nod.

Nothing has been said of Washington's unilateral decision to pull out of the 
ABM treaty in 2002 and to install nuclear missile defense systems on Russia's 
borders, nothing has been said of NATO moving its frontiers to Russia's own, 
installing antagonistic military attack systems on software in its new 
member states and performing the massive upgrading of weapons systems within 
striking distance of the very heart of Russia.

So what is Russia supposed to do? Stand by with its arms folded and say 
nothing? Or react and re-establish a proper and harmonious balance of power?

Needless to say, Russia's military capacity to defend itself is second to 
none, and always has been. Hitler and Napoleon learnt the lesson the hard 
way. Today, Russia has every capacity to neutralise and liquidate any NATO 
build-up anywhere on the planet and everybody knows that and needless to 
say, Russia's military equipment from Soviet times is intact - it has not 
simply disappeared and indeed, it has been upgraded.

Yet this is not the point. The point is, that the United States of America, 
the only power to have used nuclear weapons (and against civilians), is in 
the process of performing a military build-up on Russia's frontiers and 
given the past history of US imperialism, given the fact that Washington is 
today the Queen of Liars, who can tell Russia that this does not constitute 
a potential threat?

Therefore those who criticise Russia for reacting would do well to start 
criticising those who caused the reaction - the United States of America. 
What are its military forces doing in Europe anyway, if not defending the 
arms lobby which dominates Washingon's foreign policy? When will the 
Europeans stop crawling around Washington's feet?

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

PRAVDA.Ru
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/05-06-2007/92787-criticalmoment-0 




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Just a piece of ZioNazi propaganda. During WWII many people were helping 
each other without asking what their religion was.

"Spaz"  wrote in message 
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> BRAVO!!!  I think it's WONDERFUL that the ADL would stand up against the 
> will of some hawkish Jews to present this prestigious award to a Muslim. 
> Khaled Abdelwahhab stands as a shining example for all Muslims to follow. 
> If all Muslims follow his lead in protecting Jews from persecution, the 
> Middle East could finally achieve peace.
>
> BEGIN NEWS RELEASE ----------------------------------------  
> http://www.adlnews.us/
>
> ADL Honors Tunisian Muslim For Protecting Jews From The Nazis During The 
> Holocaust
>
> Washington, DC, April 30, 2007 -- In honor of his heroic rescue of a group 
> of dispossessed Jews during World War II, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) 
> today posthumously honored Khaled Abdelwahhab, the Muslim scion of a 
> wealthy Tunisian family, with the ADL Courage to Care Award.
> The award was accepted on behalf of the Abdelwahhab family by his 
> daughter, Faiza Abdul-Wahab, who currently resides in Paris, during the 
> League's Shana Amy Glass National Leadership Conference in Washington, 
> D.C.
>
> "Khaled Abdelwahhab acted outside the bounds of expected behavior, and his 
> ethnicity challenges our preconceived notions about who might risk his or 
> her life for the sake of Jews," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National 
> Director and a Holocaust survivor. "Abdelwahhab risked his life for the 
> sake of others in the face of humanity's greatest evil. He was an Arab who 
> saved Jews, and his actions should cause us to think about the 
> possibilities of Jewish-Arab fraternity." (full remarks)
>
> The story of Abdelwahhab's heroism is recounted in the new book by Robert 
> Satloff, Among the Righteous: Lost Stories from The Holocaust's Long Reach 
> into Arab Lands (PublicAffairs, 2006).
>
> In accepting the award, Faiza Abdul-Wahab said she first learned of her 
> father's actions by reading the book, and she thanked Dr. Satloff for his 
> efforts to bring the story to light.
>
> "What I hope people remember most about my father is not the number of 
> people he saved, but the deep respect he showed for the people he helped," 
> she said. "Today, as the daughter of Khalid Abdelwahhab, I extend my hand 
> as a sincere and truthful bridge to my Jewish brothers and sisters. Today, 
> we can open space for dialogue and encounter between our peoples." (full 
> remarks)
>
> From the beginning of World War II, Nazi plans to persecute and eventually 
> exterminate Jews extended throughout the area that Germany and its allies 
> hoped to conquer. That included a great Arab expanse, from Casablanca to 
> Tripoli and on to Cairo, home to more than half a million Jews.
>
> Driven from their homes by the occupying Germans, about two dozen members 
> of the Boukris family found refuge in an olive oil factory in the Tunisian 
> coastal town of Mahdia. After learning that the group was in imminent and 
> grave danger, Abdelwahhab, the son of a wealthy landowner and government 
> official, gathered the group and moved them in the middle of the night to 
> his family's farm 20 miles to the west, in the small village of Tlelsa. 
> There, he arranged for local women to bake for them, and he provided food 
> and shelter every day for four months. In April 1943, British troops 
> entered Mahdia and the Boukrises were able to return to their home. For 
> years after, Abdelwahhab was a frequent honored guest at Shabbat dinners 
> of the Boukris family.
>
> Abdelwahhab was the first Arab to be named as a candidate to receive the 
> State of Israel's highest honor, the designation as Righteous Among the 
> Nations.
>
> In 1987, ADL initiated a unique award to honor rescuers of Jews during the 
> Holocaust era. The ADL Courage to Care Award is a plaque with bas-reliefs 
> depicting the backdrop of the rescuers' exceptional deeds - the Nazis' 
> persecution, deportation and murder of millions of Jews. The Courage to 
> Care program is sponsored by Eileen Ludwig Greenland.
>
> Past recipients of the ADL Courage to Care Award include: Ernst Leitz II, 
> Mefail and Njazi Bicaku, Hiram Bingham IV, Sir Nicholas Winton, Konstantin 
> Koslovsky, Jan and Miep Gies, Aristides De Sousa Mendes, Jan Karski, 
> Selahattin Ulkumen, Chiune Sugihara, the French town of Le 
> Chambon-Sur-Lignon, Emilie and Oskar Schindler, The Partisans of Riccione, 
> Italy and Johanna Vos. 




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WALL STREET JOURNAL: . and the more countries there are that want to 
participate in this system. What does Russia gain by being so fiercely 
opposed to this system? Are you hoping that Washington will eventually 
abandon its plans to install an anti-missile defence system or do you have 
other goals, since Washington has already said that it will not allow Russia 
to veto this programme?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: I would start with the Adapted Conventional Armed Forces 
Treaty in Europe (ACAF). We have not just stated that we are ready to comply 
with the treaty, like certain others have done. We really are implementing 
it: we have removed all of our heavy weapons from the European part of 
Russia and put them behind the Urals. We have reduced our Armed Forces by 
300,000. We have taken several other steps required by the ACAF. But what 
have we seen in response? Eastern Europe is receiving new weapons, two new 
military bases are being set up in Romania and in Bulgaria, and there are 
two new missile launch areas - a radar in Czech republic and missile systems 
in Poland. And we are asking ourselves the question: what is going on? 
Russia is disarming unilaterally. But if we disarm unilaterally then we 
would like to see our partners be willing to do the same thing in Europe. On 
the contrary, Europe is being pumped full of new weapons systems. And of 
course we cannot help but be concerned.

What should we do in these circumstances? Of course we have declared a 
moratorium.

This applies to the missile defence system. But not just the missile defence 
system itself. Since if this missile system is put in place, it will work 
automatically with the entire nuclear capability of the United States. It 
will be an integral part of the U.S. nuclear capability.

I draw your attention and that of your readers to the fact that, for the 
first time in history - and I want to emphasize this - there are elements of 
the U.S. nuclear capability on the European continent. It simply changes the 
whole configuration of international security. That is the second thing.

Finally, thirdly, how do they justify this? By the need to defend themselves 
against Iranian missiles. But there are no such missiles. Iran has no 
missiles with a range of 5,000 to 8,000 kilometres. In other words, we are 
being told that this missile defence system is there to defend against 
something that doesn't exist. Do you not think that this is even a little 
bit funny? But it would only be funny if it were not so said. We are not 
satisfied with the explanations that we are hearing. There is no 
justification whatsoever for installing a missile defence system in Europe. 
Our military experts certainly believe that this system affects the 
territory of the Russian Federation in front of the Ural mountains. And of 
course we have to respond to that.

And now I would like to give a definite answer to your question: what do we 
want? First of all, we want to be heard. We want our position to be 
understood. We do not exclude that our American partners might reconsider 
their decision. We are not imposing anything on anyone. But we are 
proceeding from common sense and think that everyone else could also use 
their common sense. But if this does not take place then we will absolve 
ourselves from the responsibility of our retaliatory steps because we are 
not initiating what is certainly growing into a new arms race in Europe. And 
we want everybody to understand very clearly that we are not going to bear 
responsibility for this arms race. For example, when they try to shift this 
responsibility to us in connection with our efforts to improve our strategic 
nuclear weapons. We did not initiate the withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic 
Missile Treaty. But what response did we give when we discussed this issue 
with our American partners? We said that we do not have the resources and 
desire to establish such a system. But as professionals we both understand 
that a missile defence system for one side and no such a system for the 
other creates an illusion of security and increases the possibility of a 
nuclear conflict.

I am speaking purely theoretically - this has no personal dimension. It is 
destroying the strategic equilibrium in the world. In order to restore that 
balance without setting up a missile defence system we will have to create a 
system to overcome missile defence, and this is what we are doing now.

At that point our partners said: "there's nothing wrong, we are not enemies, 
we are not going to work against one another". We would point out that we 
are simply answering them: "we warned you, we talked about this, you 
answered us a certain way. So we are going to do what we said we would". And 
if they put a missile defence system in Europe - and we are warning this 
today - there will be retaliatory measures. We need to ensure our security. 
And we are not the proponents of this process.

And, finally, the last thing. Again I would not want you to suffer from the 
illusion that we have fallen out of love with anyone. But I sometimes think 
to myself: why are they doing all this? Why are our American partners trying 
so obstinately to deploy a missile defence system in Europe when - and this 
is perfectly obvious - it is not needed to defend against Iranian or - even 
more obvious - North Korean missiles? (We all know where North Korea is and 
the kind of range these missiles would need to have to be able to reach 
Europe.) So it is clearly not against them and it is clearly not against us 
because it is obvious to everyone that Russia is not preparing to attack 
anybody. Then why? Is it perhaps to ensure that we carry out these 
retaliatory measures? And to prevent a further rapprochement between Russian 
and Europe? If this is the case (and I am not claiming so, but it is a 
possibility), then I believe that this would be yet another mistake because 
that is not the way to improve international peace and security.

DER SPIEGEL: A short additional question: would you be prepared to consider 
the possibility of deploying a similar, Russian missile defence system 
somewhere near the United States, for example in Cuba?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: You know, I should have talked about this, but you brought 
it up before me. We are not planning any such thing and, as is well-known, 
we just recently dismantled our bases in Cuba. At the same time that the 
Americans are building new ones in Europe, in Romania and in Bulgaria. We 
dismantled them because after the fall of the Soviet Union our foreign 
policy changed a great deal because Russian society itself changed. We do 
not want a confrontation, we want cooperation. And we do not need bases 
close to anyone and we are not planning anything of the kind. That is the 
first thing.

The second. Basically, as a rule, modern weapons systems don't need such 
bases. These are generally political decisions.




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THE TIMES: Today the British media are mainly interested in two issues 
concerning Russia. The first is the Litvinenko case. And the second is BP 
and Shell's experience in Russia.

I would like to ask you two questions. First, are there circumstances in 
which Russia would agree to Britain's request to extradite Lugovoi?

And the second question. In light of BP and Shell's experience in Russia, 
should British companies invest in Russia?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Are there circumstances in which Russia would extradite 
Lugovoi? There are. The Constitution of the Russian Federation would have to 
change. That is the first thing.

Second. Even if the Constitution were to be amended, one would need, of 
course, valid reasons to do so. Based on the information I received from the 
Prosecutor General the British party has not yet provided us with sufficient 
grounds to do so. There is a request for the extradition of Mr Lugovoi but 
no materials documenting the grounds on which we should do so. As diplomats 
say, this request has no substance: it is not supported by the materials 
that constitute the grounds on which our British colleagues asked us to 
extradite Lugovoi.

Finally, the third thing. As you know a criminal investigation into 
Litvinenko's death is proceeding in Britain. And if our law enforcement 
agencies gather enough evidence to take anyone to court, if there is enough 
material in connection with any citizen of the Russian Federation to bring 
this evidence to court, this will certainly be done. And I very much hope 
that our British colleagues will assist us effectively. Not simply by 
demanding the extradition of Lugovoi but also by sending enough evidence so 
that we could put the case before a court. We will do this in Russia and 
convict any person found guilty of Litvinenko's murder.

And now about the request itself. I have very mixed feelings about this 
request. If the people who sent this request did not know that the Russian 
Constitution prohibits the extradition of Russian citizens to foreign 
countries then their level of competency must certainly be questioned. In 
general the heads of such high-ranking law enforcement agencies should know 
this. And if they do not know this then their place is not in law 
enforcement agencies but somewhere else. In parliament, for example, or in 
journalism. But on the other hand, if they did know this but made the 
request anyways, then it is just a publicity stunt. In other words, you can 
look at the problem from any way but in all cases you see stupidity. I do 
not see any positive aspects to what was done. If they did not know then 
they are incompetent and we have doubts about what they have been doing 
there. And if they did know and did it anyway then that is pure politics. 
Both options are bad.

One last point. I think that after the British government allowed a 
significant number of criminals, thieves and terrorists to gather in Britain 
they created an environment which endangers the lives and health of British 
citizens. And all responsibility for this lies with the British side. 




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THE TIMES: Yes, it is a question about Sakhalin, about BP's permit. Will it 
be necessary to renounce the permit or they may still expect to keep it?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Have you seen the original agreement? Have you ever read it?

THE TIMES: Yes.

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Did you like what was written? You know, that is a colonial 
treaty that has absolutely nothing to do with the interests of the Russian 
Federation. I can only regret that in the early 1990s the Russian officials 
allowed such incidents to take place, incidents for which they should have 
been put in prison. Implementing this treaty resulted in a situation in 
which, for a long period of time, Russia allowed its natural resources to be 
exploited and received nothing in return. Almost nothing at all. But if our 
partners had been fulfilling their obligations correctly then we certainly 
would have had no chance to rectify the situation. But they are guilty of 
violating environmental laws and this is a generally accepted fact that is 
supported with objective data. And I must say that our partners do not even 
deny it. Environmental experts have corroborated this evidence. 
Incidentally, Gazprom has received various proposals from its partners to 
join the project even earlier, before any environmental scandal, but refused 
to do so. But after the environmental problems arose and there was the 
threat of fines, I believe that Gazprom's entry quite simply saved the 
project.

And, finally, one last point. Gazprom did not simply act as a result of our 
pressure and take something away, Gazprom paid a huge sum of money to enter 
the project - 8 billion USD. That is a market price. And, as far as I 
understood, the partners working on the project were satisfied because all 
the terms and conditions of the treaty are being met and no one is 
questioning this treaty's purpose. Our foreign partners are receiving all 
the resources that they had planned to receive from this project. And I 
think that this is a good example of cooperation and our responsibility even 
in the face of situations that arose in the early 1990s, situations that 
were clearly beyond the pale of law.

As to BP, you know that every country has certain rules about working in the 
subsoil. These rules exist in Russia as well. If anyone believes that they 
do not need to observe such rules in Russia, they are mistaken. And this 
does not only concern BP. If you are referring to the Kovyktinskoye 
deposit - and you evidently have this in mind - in addition to BP there are 
also Russian companies participating in the project. And this does not only 
affect BP but also about Mr Wechselberg's company and Mr Potanin's company. 
They are all Russian economic residents. And for that reason the affair is 
not limited to BP, to a foreign partner, but to all shareholders that have 
committed to developing this deposit and, unfortunately, have failed to 
comply with the terms of their permit. They have not yet started to develop 
it. According to the permit's conditions they should have already begun 
extraction last year. And not simply begun but also extracted a certain 
amount of gas. Unfortunately, they have not done so.

And one can find a huge number of reasons for this, including that it was 
necessary to be part of a pipeline system. But they already knew this when 
they applied for a permit. They knew about these problems and potential 
limitations. And they nevertheless went ahead and got a permit. I am not 
even going to talk about how they obtained this permit. We will let it rest 
in the conscience of those who did this at the beginning of the 1990s.

But I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the gas reserves in 
the field amount to some 3 trillion cubic metres. To understand the volume 
and importance for Russia, one might say that this is equivalent to almost 
all of Canada's reserves. But if the participants in this consortium are not 
doing anything to use their permit, how long should we wait?

Obviously the Ministry of Natural Resources raised the issue of withdrawing 
the permit. Even though, as you can see, negotiations are going on and I don't 
know what they will end with. I don't know what decision the Natural 
Resources Ministry and the company shareholders will make. I deliberately 
say company shareholders because if you talk about the company BP, and not 
simply about the Russian part of the corporation that was preparing to 
develop the Kovyktinskoye deposit, then to a large or a significant degree 
its deposits in the world are increasing at Russia's expense. And if you 
talk with the past or present BP leadership they will confirm this.

Moreover, 25 percent of BP's revenues come from its activities in the 
Russian Federation. We welcome the company's participation in the Russian 
economy and will continue to support and help companies but we want their 
activities to be executed within existing legislation.




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KOMMERSANT: Vladimir Vladimirovich, in my opinion, recently Russia's 
relations with the West are developing at a catastrophic speed. If you 
examine them then you see that everything is very bad and going from bad to 
worse: the energy dialogue is frozen, no one is even talking about the 
Energy Charter, the arms race is proceeding. And you acknowledge it 
yourself. Yesterday you said that, yes, there is an arms race - you used 
precisely those words. And there is a new word in your vocabulary that was 
not there before, the word imperialism. That is a word from Soviet times. 
American imperialism and Israeli militarism were both terms that you must 
remember. And they were countered only by Soviet peace initiatives, as they 
are now countered by Russian peace initiatives. I would like to ask: do you 
not think it is possible to talk about certain compromises, to engage in 
compromises, to look even occasionally, even for show, at public opinion in 
Europe, in America and, finally, in Russia? Do you not think that this 
present course is leading nowhere? It is becoming, even gaining new strength 
with, this arms race, with these missiles of ours. To what purpose?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Frankly, I find this question quite strange and unexpected. 
An arms race really is unfolding. Well, was it we who withdrew from the ABM 
Treaty? We must react to what our partners do. We already told them two 
years ago, "don't do this, you don't need to do this. What are you doing? 
You are destroying the system of international security. You must understand 
that you are forcing us to take retaliatory steps." They said: "okay, no 
problem, go ahead. We are not enemies. Do what you want to." I think that 
this was based on the illusion that Russia would have nothing to answer 
with. But we warned them. No, they did not listen to us. Then we heard about 
them developing low-yield nuclear weapons and they are continuing to develop 
these charges. We understand in the rocks where bin Laden is hiding it might 
be necessary to, shall we say, destroy some of his asylum. Yes, such an 
objective probably exists.

But perhaps it would be better to look for other ways and means to resolve 
the problem rather than create low-yield nuclear weapons, lower the 
threshold for using nuclear weapons, and thereby put humankind on the brink 
of nuclear catastrophe. But they are not listening to us. We are saying: do 
not deploy weapons in space. We don't want to do that. No, it continues: 
"whoever is not with us is against us". What is that? Is it a dialogue or a 
search for compromise? The entire dialogue can be summed up by: whoever is 
not with us is against us.

I talked about how we implemented the ACAF, the Conventional Armed Forces in 
Europe Treaty. We really have implemented it; I wasn't inventing anything. 
And there are inspection groups that come, they go onsite, our western 
partners check and see everything. We implemented it. And in response we get 
bases and a missile defence system in Europe. So what should we do?

You talked about public opinion. Public opinion in Russia is in favour of us 
ensuring our security. Where can you find a public in favour of the idea 
that we must completely disarm, and then perhaps, according to theorists 
such as Zbignew Brzezinski, that we must divide our territory into three or 
four parts.

If such a public did exist, I would argue with it. I was not elected 
President of the Russian Federation to put my country on the brink of 
disaster. And if this equilibrium in the world is finally broken then it 
will be a catastrophe not only for Russia but also for the whole world.

Some people have the illusion that you can do everything just as you want, 
irregardless of the interests of other people. Of course it is for precisely 
this reason that the international situation gets worse and eventually 
results in an arms race as you pointed out. But we are not the instigators. 
We do not want it. Why would we want to divert resources to this? And we are 
not jeopardising our relations with anyone. But we must respond.

Name even one step that we have taken or one action of ours designed to 
worsen the situation. There are none. We are not interested in that. We are 
interested in having a good atmosphere, environment and energy dialogue 
around Russia.

We already talked about how we subsidized countries, the former republics of 
the Soviet Union, by providing them with cheap energy for 15 years. Why did 
we need to do that, where is the logic, what is the justification for this? 
We subsidised Ukraine for 15 years, by three to five billion dollars a year. 
Just think about it! Who else in the world does this? And our actions are 
not politicized. They are not political actions.

The very best example and proof of this - and I talked about this recently 
at a press conference - is the Baltic countries that we also subsidised for 
all these years. When we realised that the Baltic states were engaging in 
honest economic relations with us and that they were ready to transfer to 
world, to European pricing, then we met them half way. We said: "fine. We 
are going to continue to deliver energy to you at discounted prices. Let's 
agree on a timetable for a transition to European prices". We agreed with 
them and signed the relevant documents. Within three years they had gently 
overcome the transition to European pricing. Even considering the fact that 
we did not have a border treaty with Latvia and there was a serious 
political disagreement on this issue, until last year Latvia received cheap 
Russian gas and, as a whole, the gas Latvia received in 2006 was about a 
third cheaper then what it was for, for example, Germany. Ask the Latvian 
Prime Minister and he will confirm this.

When the Ukrainian question arose then we were told that this was a 
political decision and they accused us of supporting Lukashenko's regime, a 
regime that western countries are not very fond of. We said : "listen, first 
of all, we cannot simply declare war on all fronts. Secondly, we are 
planning to transfer to market pricing with all of our partners. The time 
will come when we do this with Belarus as well". We did this. Yet once we 
had done so the noise began, including in the western media: what are we 
doing there, why are we harming small Belarus? Is this a fair and admirable 
attitude towards Russia? We switched to one pricing regime with all the 
countries of the Caucasus: with Georgia - with whom we do not have very good 
political relations - and with Armenia, with whom we have excellent 
relations and a strategic alliance. Yes, we have heard a lot of criticism 
including from our Armenian partners but at the end of the day we were able 
to understand one another and find a way forward. They could not pay the 
entire price with liquid and therefore are paying in physical assets. With 
live, real assets and all of this is formalised on paper. No one can accuse 
us of politicizing these issues. We are not preparing to spend huge amounts 
of money subsidising other countries' economies. We are ready to develop 
integration on the territory of the former Soviet Union, but it must be 
integration on an equal footing. But you know, they are coming closer and 
closer to our interests and everyone is increasingly expecting that we are 
not going to defend these interests. If we want order and international law 
to prevail in the international arena then we must respect this law and the 
interests of all members of the international community. That is all. 




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KOMMERSANT: When I mentioned public opinion in Russia I was referring to the 
fact that, as I understand it, public opinion in Russia would be strongly 
opposed to a new arms race after the one the Soviet Union lost.

VLADIMIR PUTIN: And I am also against an arms race. I am opposed to any kind 
of arms race but I would like to quickly draw your attention to something I 
said in last year's Address to the Federal Assembly. We have learned from 
the Soviet Union's experience and we will not be drawn into an arms race 
that anyone imposes on us. We will not respond symmetrically, we will 
respond with other methods and means that are no less effective. This is 
called an asymmetrical response.

The United States are building a huge and costly missile defence system 
which will cost dozens and dozens of billions of dollars. We said: "no, we 
are not going to be pulled into this race. We will construct systems that 
will be much cheaper yet effective enough to overcome the missile defence 
system and therefore maintain the balance of power in the world." And we are 
going to proceed this way in the future.

Moreover, I want to draw your attention to the fact that, despite our 
retaliatory measures, the volume of our defence expenditures as a percentage 
of GDP is not growing. They were 2,7 percent of GDP and will remain so. We 
are planning the same amount of defence spending for the next 5 to 10 years. 
This is fully in line with the average expenditures of NATO countries. This 
amount is not more than their average defence expenditures and in some cases 
it is even lower than that of NATO member countries. And we can use our 
competitive advantages which include quite advanced military-industrial 
capabilities and the intellectual capacities of those who work in our 
military complex. There are good results and good people. In any case, much 
of this has been preserved, and we will do everything possible in order not 
only to maintain but also to develop this potential. 




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1. In order to foil a terrorist plot, you must first find a terrorist plot. 
This is not easy.


2. Not just anyone can find and then foil a terrorist plot. You must have an 
incentive. The best incentive is to be an accused felon, looking at a long 
prison term. Under such circumstances, your lawyer will explain to you, you 
may be able to reduce your sentence by acting as an informant in a criminal 
case, preferably one involving terrorists.

3. The fact that you do not know any actual terrorists should not in any way 
deter you. Necessity is the mother of invention: if you can find the right 
raw material - a sad, sick, lonely, drunk, deranged, disgruntled or just 
plain anti-American Muslim somewhere in the United States - you can make 
your very own terrorist.

4. Now the good part begins. Money! The FBI will give you lots of money to 
take your very own terrorist out to lots of dinners where you, wearing a 
wire, can record yourself making recommendations to him about possible 
targets and weapons that might be used in the impending terrorist attack 
that your very own terrorist is going to mastermind, with your help. It will 
even buy you a computer so you can go to Google Earth in order to show your 
very own terrorist a "top secret" aerial image of the target you have 
suggested.

5. More money!! The FBI will give you even more money to travel to foreign 
countries with your very own terrorist, and it will make suggestions about 
terrorist groups you can meet while in said foreign countries.

6. Months and even years will pass in this fashion, while you essentially 
get the FBI to pay for everything you do. (Incidentally, be sure your lawyer 
negotiates your expense account well in advance, or you may be forced - as 
the informant was in the Buffalo terrorist case - to protest your inadequate 
remuneration by setting yourself on fire in front of the White House.)

7. At a certain point, something will go wrong. You may have trouble 
recruiting other people to collaborate with your very own terrorist, who is, 
as you yourself know, just an ordinary guy in a really bad mood. Or, 
alternatively, the terrorist cell you have carefully cobbled together may 
malfunction and fail to move forward - probably as a result of sheer 
incompetence or of simply not having been genuinely serious about the acts 
of terrorism you were urging it to commit. At this point, you may worry that 
the FBI is going to realize that there isn't much of a terrorist plot going 
on here at all, just a case of entrapment. Do not despair: the FBI is way 
ahead of you. The FBI knows perfectly well what's going on. The FBI has as 
much at stake as you do. So before it can be obvious to the world that 
there's no case, the FBI will arrest your very own terrorist, hold a press 
conference and announce that a huge terrorist plot has been foiled. It will 
of course be forced to admit that this plot did not proceed beyond the 
pre-planning stage, that no actual weapons or money were involved, and that 
the plot itself was "not technically feasible," but that will not stop the 
story from becoming a front-page episode all over America and, within hours, 
boilerplate for all the Republican politicians who believe that you need to 
arrest a "homegrown" terrorist now and then to justify the continuing war in 
Iraq. Everyone will be happy, except for the schmuck you shmikeled into 
becoming a terrorist, and no one really cares about him anyway.

So congratulations. You have foiled a terrorist plot. Way to go.




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"hous"  wrote in message 
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> this is typical of hate mongers, when 99 pecent of mideast and promises of 
> the one percent destruction go unchallenged because of religion that 
> teaches one is better then someone else over and over again because they 
> were born different.

Israelis and Zionism are destroying not only Middle East but also the fabric 
of modern society

> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1181030044.395468.182390@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> RELATED STORIES >>
>>
>> Reasonable statement supporting a boycott
>>
>> Steven Rose: Why pick on Israel? Because its actions are wrong
>>
>> Academic freedom, it appears, applies to Israelis but not to
>> Palestinians
>>
>> 06.04.2007 | The Independent
>> By Steven Rose
>>
>> The University and College Union annual congress last week voted by a
>> two-thirds majority to organise a campus tour for Palestinian academic
>> trade unionists to explain why they had called for an academic and
>> cultural boycott of Israel, and to encourage UCU members to consider
>> the moral implications of links with Israeli universities. Not
>> surprisingly, this overwhelming vote met with a roar of hostility from
>> what we have learned to call the Israel lobby.
>>
>> Our government, long accustomed to sitting on its hands when any
>> serious attempt to censure Israel is made, predictably joined the
>> chorus. More surprisingly, the Independent's editorialist and its
>> columnist Joan Smith followed along. The boycott, we are told, damages
>> academic freedom, picks on Israel, and encourages anti-Semitism on
>> British campuses.
>>
>> Entirely suppressed in this harrumphing has been any thought about why
>> Palestinian university teachers and their union, as well as all the
>> NGOs in the Occupied Territories, have called for a boycott. Academic
>> freedom, it appears, applies to Israelis but not Palestinians, whose
>> universities have been arbitrarily closed, Bir Zeit for a full four
>> years. Students and teachers have been killed or imprisoned.
>> Attendance at university is made hazardous or impossible by the
>> everyday imposition of checkpoints. Research is blocked by Israeli
>> refusal to allow books or equipment to be imported.
>>
>> Even within Israel itself, some universities sit on illegally
>> expropriated land, Arab student unions are not recognised and there
>> are increasing covert restrictions on Arab-Israelis (20 per cent of
>> the population) entering university at all. No Israeli academic trade
>> union or professional association has expressed solidarity with their
>> Palestinian colleagues a few kilometres away across the wall, though
>> the boycott call may finally encourage them to do so.
>>
>> When challenged, Israelis cite examples of collaboration with
>> Palestinians: bridges, not borders. Fine, but because Palestinian
>> academics from Gaza or the West bank are not permitted to enter
>> pre-1967 Israel, how real can such collaborations be? If academic
>> freedom means anything, it must be indivisible. And what are
>> Palestinians to make of the uncensured insistence by senior Israeli
>> academics that their family size constitutes a demographic threat to
>> the Jewish state?
>>
>> But why should academics, culture workers, architects and doctors in
>> the UK, who have all in recent months called for forms of boycott of
>> Israel, take such action? Why pick on Israel, we are asked. After all,
>> as Joan Smith points out, there are lots of ugly regimes around. How
>> about boycotting the UK until troops are removed from Iraq? But
>> boycott is merely a specific tactic, a non-violent weapon available to
>> individual members of civil society. It is only one form of protest:
>> many boycott supporters are at least as actively involved in the
>> various campaigns against the UK's illegal war in Iraq as in any
>> boycott of Israel.
>>
>> No one asks those campaigning against China's occupation of Tibet why
>> not Israel or Darfur? If opponents of our boycott call want to make a
>> case for boycotting Cuba (one boycott that Israel, following its
>> American paymaster at the UN, habitually supports) they are free to do
>> so. The issue is not "Why Israel?" but "Why not Israel?" Yet the
>> secular western press, so willing to express discomfort with states
>> that describe themselves as "Islamic Republics" is seemingly
>> untroubled by the ethnic assumptions underlying the claims of a Jewish
>> republic.
>>
>> Further, it is precisely because Israel prides itself on its academic
>> prowess (just as South Africa did of its sporting prowess) that the
>> idea of an academic boycott is so painful. Israel has uniquely strong
>> academic links with Europe, and despite its Middle-East location and
>> constant breaches of European legislation on human rights, receives
>> considerable financial research support from the EU. That's why the
>> Israeli cabinet felt it necessary to set up an anti-boycott committee
>> under that well-known campaigner for a greater Israel, Binyamin
>> Netanyahu, and why teams of Israeli academics toured the UK before the
>> UCU vote to try to block the boycott call.
>>
>> Lurking behind the thinking of even well-meaning opponents of the
>> boycott is that it is in some way anti-Semitic. This ignores the fact
>> that the boycott is of Israeli institutions, not individuals (so it
>> would affect the tiny number of Palestinian academics in Israeli
>> institutions, but not a Jewish Israeli working in the UK or US).
>> Second, it ignores the fact that the British Jewish community is
>> itself intensely divided over Israel, between those who will defend
>> Israel at all costs, and the increasingly vocal critics who insist
>> "not in our name". Even a cursory look at the signatories of the
>> various boycott calls will show the large number of prominent Jewish
>> figures among them. It really isn't good enough to attack the
>> messenger as anti-Semitic or a self-hating Jew rather than deal with
>> the message itself, that Israel's conduct is unacceptable.
>>
>> What could be a more democratic way of bringing debate on to
>> university campuses than the instruction to the UCU to organise a
>> campus tour for Palestinian academic trade unionists to engage in
>> discussion before UCU members decide whether to support their call for
>> a boycott? Those who cherish the idea of the university as the house
>> of reason will surely welcome the opportunity for calm discussion of a
>> controversial issue.
>>
>> The writer is secretary of the British Committee for the Universities
>> of Palestine
>>
>
> 




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"hous"  wrote in message 
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> the only reason there is protest is because Israel has built a wall to 
> stop terrorists.

WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS? CERTAINLY NOT PALESTINIANS, THEY ARE NOT USING 
PLANES, HELICOPTERS AND BULLDOZERS TOI ERASE THE KIKELAND!

the most hateful get inflamed when Israel has a reason to feel
> some security however small. its the desire for other religions to feel 
> that

IF IT IS SECURITY, ISRAEL COULD HAVE HAD IT DOZEN TIMES OVER, MOST 
ESPECIALLY BY ACCEPTING THE KING ABDULLAH'S OFFER.  ISRAEL WANTS OVER 
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STEAL MORE LAND

> their religion is superior and allowing Israel to exist is their threat to 
> their own values.Israel is a tiny slice of mideast and jews for the most

THAT "TINY SLICE" HAS TO BEHAVE LIKE A TINY SLICE, INSTEAD OF SLAUGHTERING 
MANY THOUSANDS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AND IN LEBANON

> part are not only good people they are great.. as good as anyone else. 
> Their desire to survie with insecurity and hate promoted by others shows 
> what fortitude is about. The hardcore opposition who has the oil revenue

OIL REVENUES??? THAT IS WHAT DRIVES KIKELAND INSANE

and
> insecurity need the jews to mount their desire to change what they don't 
> like in themselves...Its not about politics, its about the inability for 
> people to always cause harm to others not like them when they want. This 
> is one reason, Carter decided to come out. His religion doctrine got the 
> best of him and he couldnt conceive Israel as having ways to defeat 
> terrorists and hate.

NOBODY PROPAGATES MORE HATE THAN ISRAEL DOES. THEY EVEN HATE EACH OTHER

 -the daily killings of people in Israel stopped and then Carter
> came forth.

NO IT DID NOT, JEWS NEVER STOPPED KILLING PALESTINIANS

what is happening no Israels are dying daily?

SO, WHAT ARE YOU BITCHING ABOUT, PULL YOUR HEAD IN AND GO BEHIND THE 1967 
LINES

This can't keep
> happening damn it!!! They got one percent what is going on? Too many 
> people jews still left for Carter.... and the oil money terrorists

TERRORISTS ARE JEWS, AND THEY ARE FINANCED BY THE U.S. TAXPAYER

> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1181030044.395468.182390@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> RELATED STORIES >>
>>
>> Reasonable statement supporting a boycott
>>
>> Steven Rose: Why pick on Israel? Because its actions are wrong
>>
>> Academic freedom, it appears, applies to Israelis but not to
>> Palestinians
>>
>> 06.04.2007 | The Independent
>> By Steven Rose
>>
>> The University and College Union annual congress last week voted by a
>> two-thirds majority to organise a campus tour for Palestinian academic
>> trade unionists to explain why they had called for an academic and
>> cultural boycott of Israel, and to encourage UCU members to consider
>> the moral implications of links with Israeli universities. Not
>> surprisingly, this overwhelming vote met with a roar of hostility from
>> what we have learned to call the Israel lobby.
>>
>> Our government, long accustomed to sitting on its hands when any
>> serious attempt to censure Israel is made, predictably joined the
>> chorus. More surprisingly, the Independent's editorialist and its
>> columnist Joan Smith followed along. The boycott, we are told, damages
>> academic freedom, picks on Israel, and encourages anti-Semitism on
>> British campuses.
>>
>> Entirely suppressed in this harrumphing has been any thought about why
>> Palestinian university teachers and their union, as well as all the
>> NGOs in the Occupied Territories, have called for a boycott. Academic
>> freedom, it appears, applies to Israelis but not Palestinians, whose
>> universities have been arbitrarily closed, Bir Zeit for a full four
>> years. Students and teachers have been killed or imprisoned.
>> Attendance at university is made hazardous or impossible by the
>> everyday imposition of checkpoints. Research is blocked by Israeli
>> refusal to allow books or equipment to be imported.
>>
>> Even within Israel itself, some universities sit on illegally
>> expropriated land, Arab student unions are not recognised and there
>> are increasing covert restrictions on Arab-Israelis (20 per cent of
>> the population) entering university at all. No Israeli academic trade
>> union or professional association has expressed solidarity with their
>> Palestinian colleagues a few kilometres away across the wall, though
>> the boycott call may finally encourage them to do so.
>>
>> When challenged, Israelis cite examples of collaboration with
>> Palestinians: bridges, not borders. Fine, but because Palestinian
>> academics from Gaza or the West bank are not permitted to enter
>> pre-1967 Israel, how real can such collaborations be? If academic
>> freedom means anything, it must be indivisible. And what are
>> Palestinians to make of the uncensured insistence by senior Israeli
>> academics that their family size constitutes a demographic threat to
>> the Jewish state?
>>
>> But why should academics, culture workers, architects and doctors in
>> the UK, who have all in recent months called for forms of boycott of
>> Israel, take such action? Why pick on Israel, we are asked. After all,
>> as Joan Smith points out, there are lots of ugly regimes around. How
>> about boycotting the UK until troops are removed from Iraq? But
>> boycott is merely a specific tactic, a non-violent weapon available to
>> individual members of civil society. It is only one form of protest:
>> many boycott supporters are at least as actively involved in the
>> various campaigns against the UK's illegal war in Iraq as in any
>> boycott of Israel.
>>
>> No one asks those campaigning against China's occupation of Tibet why
>> not Israel or Darfur? If opponents of our boycott call want to make a
>> case for boycotting Cuba (one boycott that Israel, following its
>> American paymaster at the UN, habitually supports) they are free to do
>> so. The issue is not "Why Israel?" but "Why not Israel?" Yet the
>> secular western press, so willing to express discomfort with states
>> that describe themselves as "Islamic Republics" is seemingly
>> untroubled by the ethnic assumptions underlying the claims of a Jewish
>> republic.
>>
>> Further, it is precisely because Israel prides itself on its academic
>> prowess (just as South Africa did of its sporting prowess) that the
>> idea of an academic boycott is so painful. Israel has uniquely strong
>> academic links with Europe, and despite its Middle-East location and
>> constant breaches of European legislation on human rights, receives
>> considerable financial research support from the EU. That's why the
>> Israeli cabinet felt it necessary to set up an anti-boycott committee
>> under that well-known campaigner for a greater Israel, Binyamin
>> Netanyahu, and why teams of Israeli academics toured the UK before the
>> UCU vote to try to block the boycott call.
>>
>> Lurking behind the thinking of even well-meaning opponents of the
>> boycott is that it is in some way anti-Semitic. This ignores the fact
>> that the boycott is of Israeli institutions, not individuals (so it
>> would affect the tiny number of Palestinian academics in Israeli
>> institutions, but not a Jewish Israeli working in the UK or US).
>> Second, it ignores the fact that the British Jewish community is
>> itself intensely divided over Israel, between those who will defend
>> Israel at all costs, and the increasingly vocal critics who insist
>> "not in our name". Even a cursory look at the signatories of the
>> various boycott calls will show the large number of prominent Jewish
>> figures among them. It really isn't good enough to attack the
>> messenger as anti-Semitic or a self-hating Jew rather than deal with
>> the message itself, that Israel's conduct is unacceptable.
>>
>> What could be a more democratic way of bringing debate on to
>> university campuses than the instruction to the UCU to organise a
>> campus tour for Palestinian academic trade unionists to engage in
>> discussion before UCU members decide whether to support their call for
>> a boycott? Those who cherish the idea of the university as the house
>> of reason will surely welcome the opportunity for calm discussion of a
>> controversial issue.
>>
>> The writer is secretary of the British Committee for the Universities
>> of Palestine
>>
>
> 




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On Jun 5, 1:17 pm, jgarbuz  wrote:
> On Jun 5, 10:09 am, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>
>
>
> >  my personal life. I work close to 24 hours a day, but I'm only paid for
> > about eight of them, and when I work on Fridays, Saturdays and during
> > holidays I don't get paid at all.
> > I'm employed in dangerous tasks that sane people stay away from. I work in
> > distant locations, under extreme weather conditions, and my living
> > conditions are such that a regular person would characterize them as
> > inhumane. I don't enjoy any pension or benefits, and I can't get up one day
> > and decide not to show up at work. I'm not allowed to do it, because I'm
> > obligated to my employer. If I fail to arrive, I may be sent to prison. And
> > when I'm called to work on behalf of the State, if is actually State
> > institutions that are mostly inconsiderate in their dealings with me.
> > There are no appropriate labor laws that define my area of employment, and
> > many times I pay a severe price for that. There is even an annual "national
> > appreciation day" used by the State and my superiors to praise me, in order
> > to cover up their refusal to grant me reasonable and equal employment terms.
> > Despite all, and even if this sounds odd, I understand the importance of my
> > work and the added value it contributes to the community and society. So I
> > again bid my family farewell, do my best, and try to improve my work
> > environment all the time. I think I work with the best people in the
> > country. I also accept both the work conditions and the damages and problems
> > it causes me without complaining. This may sound as a description of a slave
> > who lacks any rights, but this is in fact a description of an educated,
> > reasonable adult forced to leave behind his life for a month every year for
> > the sake of national security. I forgot to mention another small detail: I'm
> > not a foreign worker, but rather, an Israel, a Jew, and a proud Zionist. If
> > you still didn't come up with the answer, here it is: The year is 2007, my
> > "employer" is the State of Israel, and the "employee" is an innocent army
> > reservist. The description is real, and there is no exaggeration: Those are
> > the conditions we have to endure as reservists.<
>
> In other words, he is a typical Israeli reservist doing yeoman's work
> one month a year for slave wages and in horrid conditions. But so are
> many US National Guard and US military reservists serving in
> Afghanistan and Iraq

THEY ARE ALL CRAZY, USELESS MISFITS, WHO SEEK AN OPPORTUNITY TO KILL
SOMEONE

for many tours of duty who don't get to see their
> families for even once a year, if that. There are very few willing and
> able to do it, so those who do deserve our deepest and utmost respect,
> and the best post-service treatment for veterans.




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From:  Venceremos 
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.... IF THE ZIONAZI TORTURERS AND PRISON GUARDS IN THE DOZENS OF
CONCETRATION CAMPS IN ISRAEL, WHO ARE PRESENTLY SECURELY LIVING IN
UNITED STATES, CAN BE DEPORTED AND PROSECUTED JUST LIKE THIS POOR
BASTARD WAS. AND REMEBER THAT HE WAS JUST A SOLDIER, A GUARD, ZIONISTS
ARE TORTURERS AND EXECUTIONERS.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:38 EDT 2007
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On Jun 5, 1:02 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> J Young   wrote:
>
> >As I have stated on previous occasions, it does not serve in the
> >interests of justice and decency to prosecute old men from a war that
> >ended 62 years ago.
>
> You don't believe in justice or decency, nazi turd.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net

You obviously do not believe in justice otherwise you would be calling
for prosecution of the Israeli torturers also



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:39 EDT 2007
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On Jun 5, 2:13 pm, Douglas Berry 
wrote:
> On  Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:14:36 -0700 there was an Ancient J Young
>  who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
>
> >As opposed to you who holds bitterness close your heart as you seek a
> >vengeful "pound of flesh". Exactly what purpose will be served by
> >harrassing this poor old man? When will you people get it through your
> >heads that there was a *war* going on; that war is now over and has
> >been for over six decades.
>
> This man wasn't a soldier, he was a guard in camp that tortured,
> starved, and murdered tens of thousands

Thousands of Jews were also guards, torturers and murderers of both
their own Jews and other people. Ordnugspolizei SS's 7,500 troops were
all Jews. Ever heard of one of them being prosecuted? One of them,
Named Kastner is safe in Israel, even though he is responsible of
deaths of thousands of Jews.



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From: "ElParedon" 
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      An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK 
airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have 
questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

      US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could 
have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged 
four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the 
airport.

      But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to 
cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the 
plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry 
out the attack.

      John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, 
said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have 
sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage 
authorities described.

      "You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but 
to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to 
get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

      The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather 
than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough 
oxygen.

      "We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," 
he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

      Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact 
would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces 
attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

      "They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big 
fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

      "There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge 
explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly 
wouldn't go very far," he said.

      His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, 
who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had 
this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

      Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt 
on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about 
the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is 
nonsense."

      "There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an 
engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a 
tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

      "There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is 
nonsense. It just won't happen."

      Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused 
on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated 
the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with 
police.

      Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times 
there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot 
really was.

      "There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about 
such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create 
fear and paranoia," he said.

      The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to 
the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the 
local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on 
Saturday.




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 IT IS ALL BULLSHIT AFTER ALL!

      An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK 
airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have 
questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

      US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could 
have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged 
four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the 
airport.

      But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to 
cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the 
plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry 
out the attack.

      John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, 
said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have 
sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage 
authorities described.

      "You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but 
to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to 
get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

      The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather 
than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough 
oxygen.

      "We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," 
he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

      Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact 
would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces 
attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

      "They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big 
fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

      "There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge 
explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly 
wouldn't go very far," he said.

      His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, 
who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had 
this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

      Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt 
on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about 
the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is 
nonsense."

      "There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an 
engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a 
tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

      "There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is 
nonsense. It just won't happen."

      Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused 
on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated 
the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with 
police.

      Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times 
there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot 
really was.

      "There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about 
such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create 
fear and paranoia," he said.

      The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to 
the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the 
local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on 
Saturday.




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:40 EDT 2007
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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f42auj$i9n$2@aioe.org...
> ElParedon wrote:
>>  In USA 260 women and  children are murdered, raped, or both every
>> single day by the members of their own families. The figures are
>> higher now, refer to my post on the subject of crime in USA.
>
> Are you really so idiotic that you you can't work out that the huge number
> of crimes committed in Gaza far excede those committed in the USA-per 
> capita
> of population. There is rampant crime in Gaza - kidnappings, rapes , armed
> robberies, severe beatings, hionour killings etc....are all on a rapid
> upwards curve and that is out of the mouth of Gazans.

FUCKING STUPID IDIOT! I WAS MUCH SAFER IN GAZA THEN ON THE STREETS OF MIAMI! 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
news:1181024417.901938.288220@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 4, 5:32 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>> ElParedon wrote:
>> >  In USA 260 women and  children are murdered, raped, or both every
>> > single day by the members of their own families. The figures are
>> > higher now, refer to my post on the subject of crime in USA.
>>
>> Are you really so idiotic that you you can't work out that the huge 
>> number
>> of crimes committed in Gaza far excede those committed in the USA-per 
>> capita
>> of population. There is rampant crime in Gaza - kidnappings, rapes , 
>> armed
>> robberies, severe beatings, hionour killings etc....are all on a rapid
>> upwards curve and that is out of the mouth of Gazans.
>>
>> --
>> femail1...@NOSPAM.gmail.com
>
> It is their nature..
IT IS YOUR NATURE TO LIE! 




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"captain."  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:aeN8i.9492$xu.474@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> AND COMPLETE OBEDIENCE TO THE HUSBAND, THE LORD OF THE HOUSE
>>
>> http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html
>>
>
> are you going jehova on us serwad?
 JUST TEACHING YOU CHRISTIANITY, DOPE! 




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      An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK 
airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have 
questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

      US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could 
have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged 
four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the 
airport.

      But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to 
cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the 
plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry 
out the attack.

      John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, 
said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have 
sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage 
authorities described.

      "You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but 
to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to 
get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

      The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather 
than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough 
oxygen.

      "We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," 
he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

      Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact 
would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces 
attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

      "They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big 
fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

      "There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge 
explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly 
wouldn't go very far," he said.

      His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, 
who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had 
this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

      Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt 
on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about 
the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is 
nonsense."

      "There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an 
engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a 
tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

      "There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is 
nonsense. It just won't happen."

      Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused 
on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated 
the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with 
police.

      Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times 
there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot 
really was.

      "There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about 
such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create 
fear and paranoia," he said.

      The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to 
the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the 
local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on 
Saturday.




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:41 EDT 2007
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      An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK 
airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have 
questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

      US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could 
have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged 
four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the 
airport.

      But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to 
cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the 
plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry 
out the attack.

      John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, 
said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have 
sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage 
authorities described.

      "You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but 
to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to 
get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

      The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather 
than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough 
oxygen.

      "We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," 
he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

      Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact 
would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces 
attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

      "They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big 
fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

      "There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge 
explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly 
wouldn't go very far," he said.

      His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, 
who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had 
this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

      Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt 
on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about 
the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is 
nonsense."

      "There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an 
engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a 
tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

      "There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is 
nonsense. It just won't happen."

      Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused 
on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated 
the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with 
police.

      Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times 
there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot 
really was.

      "There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about 
such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create 
fear and paranoia," he said.

      The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to 
the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the 
local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on 
Saturday.




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:41 EDT 2007
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      An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK 
airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have 
questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

      US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could 
have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged 
four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the 
airport.

      But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to 
cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the 
plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry 
out the attack.

      John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, 
said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have 
sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage 
authorities described.

      "You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but 
to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to 
get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

      The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather 
than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough 
oxygen.

      "We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," 
he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

      Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact 
would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces 
attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

      "They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big 
fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

      "There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge 
explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly 
wouldn't go very far," he said.

      His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, 
who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had 
this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

      Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt 
on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about 
the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is 
nonsense."

      "There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an 
engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a 
tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

      "There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is 
nonsense. It just won't happen."

      Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused 
on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated 
the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with 
police.

      Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times 
there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot 
really was.

      "There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about 
such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create 
fear and paranoia," he said.

      The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to 
the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the 
local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on 
Saturday.




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:41 EDT 2007
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 That is a complete bullshit story, If Nazis wanted to kill someon they did 
not have to transport the hundreds of miles, they did it on the spot

Example: Near Voronezh, Nazis had about a million people surrounded, 
Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, women, children. They wanted to get rid of them, 
they simply put barbed wire around them and let them die. In Russian winter 
it takes only a couple of nights.

In Kraljevo Serbia Nazis wanted to punish the population for the killing of 
37 Germans in a club. The population hid from the Nazis, so they took the 
children from the schools to the football ground and killed 3,700 children 
and teachers. If you do not believe go to Kraljevo and see the monument!

So this bullshit about Nazis transporting thousands of Jews from Moldova to 
Odessa just to kill them is bullshit. Most likely those are the bodies of 
Ukrainians from that area. 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:41 EDT 2007
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 wrote in message 
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> Dear idiot, do you even understand what "Aushwitz" is?

OF COURSE SHE DOES. AUSCHWITZ IS THAT WHAT JEWS HAVE MADE OUT OF PALESTINE 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:42 EDT 2007
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"z"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 5, 12:42 am, "Spaz"  wrote:
>> Looking towards the future, there's not much more benefit for Israel to 
>> get
>> out of a partnership with the US.  But the business opportunities with
>> Russia, China, and India are virtually limitless for at least the next 
>> 100
>> years.  Israel has MUCH to offer in the way of technology, finance, and
>> medicine to these countries, and these countries' needs for Israel's
>> services has never been greater.  It's about time for Israel to let go of
>> yesterday's world and embrace a newer, brighter future of peace and
>> prosperity!
>>
>> http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/9795.htm
>
> People forget that before the Arabs grabbed the oil valves in the
> early 70s and Israel became dangerous to be friends with, Israel was a
> big exporter of technological solutions to the Third World;
> desalinization, solar power, etc. etc.

Actually if Israel tore that wall down, and freed the Palestinian slaves, 
many people including yours truly would seek trade with Israeli firms 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:42 EDT 2007
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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
news:vJg9i.10$wq.3@trnddc04...
> Former White House aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby was sentenced Tuesday to 30 
> months in prison for perjury and obstruction, in a case which also put a 
> glaring spotlight on the flawed US case for waging war against Iraq. Libby 
> was also fined 250,000 dollars by the court.
> Though Lewis "Scooter" Libby faced a maximum of 25 years in prison, legal 
> observers say he might never spend a night behind bars, thanks to a 
> lengthy appeals process and a possible pardon from President George W. 
> Bush. The prosecutor in the case, Patrick Fitzgerald, has asked U.S. 
> District Judge Reggie Walton to impose a sentence of two and a half to 
> three years; the federal probation office has recommended less than two 
> years. Libby's charges grew out of a high-profile investigation into the 
> leak of a CIA analyst's identity after her husband emerged as an early 
> critic of the invasion of Iraq. CIA analyst Valerie Plame has testified 
> that the unmasking destroyed her career. Nobody was charged with blowing 
> her cover, but Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff, was found guilty of 
> obstruction of justice, making false statements to the FBI and two counts 
> of perjury. He was found not guilty of one charge of making false 
> statements. Libby was one of several Bush administration officials who 
> discussed Plame with reporters at a time when her employment status was 
> classified. Fitzgerald did not charge Libby or anybody else with breaking 
> laws related to the leak, but Libby's dishonesty with investigators made 
> it more difficult to determine if any laws were broken, Fitzgerald argued 
> last week.
>
And look how they are setting up these black muslims who did absolutely 
nothing to harm United States of America:


      An alleged plot to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at New York's JFK 
airport had little chance of success, according to safety experts, who have 
questioned whether the plot ever posed a real threat.

      US authorities said Saturday they had averted an attack that could 
have resulted in "unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," and charged 
four alleged Islamic radicals with conspiracy to cause an explosion at the 
airport.

      But according to the experts, it would have been next to impossible to 
cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the 
plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry 
out the attack.

      John Goglia, a former member of National Transportation Safety Board, 
said that if the plot had ever been carried out, it would likely have 
sparked a fire but little else, and certainly not the mass carnage 
authorities described.

      "You could definitely reach the tank, definitely start the fire, but 
to get the kind of explosion that they were thinking that they were going to 
get... this is virtually impossible to do," he told AFP.

      The fuel pipelines around the airport would similarly burn, rather 
than explode, because they are a full of fuel and unable to mix with enough 
oxygen.

      "We had a number of fires in the US. All that happens is a big fire," 
he said. "It won't blow up, it will only burn."

      Even if the attackers had managed to blow up a fuel tank, the impact 
would be limited, he said, citing the example of North Vietnamese forces 
attacking US fuel dumps during the Vietnam war.

      "They hit the fuel tanks with pretty big rockets. You would get a big 
fire but not a big explosion other than the rocket."

      "There is a difference between just exploding the tank and a huge 
explosion. The tank may explode and blow up some metal, but that certainly 
wouldn't go very far," he said.

      His comments contrasted with those of US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf, 
who insisted at the weekend that "the devastation that would be caused had 
this plot succeeded is just unthinkable."

      Jake Magish, an engineer with Supersafe Tank Systems, also cast doubt 
on the credibility of the plot, saying: "The fantasy that I've heard about 
the people saying 'they will blow the tank and destroy the airport,' is 
nonsense."

      "There are people there responding to hysteria, I think. But from an 
engineering point of view, if someone is successful in blowing a hole into a 
tank, they will just have a fire from one tank.

      "There is no way for the fire to go from tank to tank, that is 
nonsense. It just won't happen."

      Besides the alleged plotters' capability, other questions have focused 
on the main source in the probe -- a convicted drug dealer who infiltrated 
the group and whose sentence was pending as part of his cooperation with 
police.

      Neal Sonnett, a former federal prosecutor, told the New York Times 
there was also a danger in overstating how serious or sophisticated a plot 
really was.

      "There unfortunately has been a tendency to shout too loudly about 
such cases," he said. "To the extent that you over-hype a case, you create 
fear and paranoia," he said.

      The New York Times on Sunday pointedly avoided giving much coverage to 
the alleged plot, devoting only a brief on its front page continued on the 
local section, despite the story breaking in the early afternoon on 
Saturday.




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From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:31:43 EDT 2007
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 More than ten million Russians also died in the Konzlagers idiot Mc Vay and 
you are only batting for about 600,000 Jewish laborers who spent four years 
making amunition to kill partizans and Russian troops. Fuck you! 




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jun 5, 8:48 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  June 6, 2007 - 7:05AM
>
> A mass grave believed to contain the remains of thousands of Jews killed by
> the Nazis has been found in southern Ukraine, a Jewish community
> representative said Tuesday.
>
> The grave was found by chance last month when workers were digging to lay
> gas pipelines in the village of Gvozdavka-1, near Odessa, said Roman
> Shvartsman, a spokesman for the regional Jewish community.
>
> He said that the Nazis established a concentration camp near the village in
> November 1941 and killed about 5,000 Jews at or near the site.
>
> "Several thousand Jews executed by the Nazis lie there," Shvartsman said.
>
> Ukraine's Jewish population was devastated during the Holocaust. Babi Yar, a
> ravine outside the capital Kiev where the Nazis slaughtered some 34,000 Jews
> over two days in September 1941, is a powerful symbol of the tragedy.

WAS IT THE NAZIS KILLING JEWS OR JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLING POLISH
OFFICERS?

> AP
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/mass-grave-of-jews-found-in-ukraine/...
>
> --
> femail1...@NOSPAM.gmail.com

FUCKING LIAR! DID THEY RECOGNIZE THEM BY THE SIZE OF THEIR SNOUT?



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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> Fucking bunch of lies. How do you know they were Jews. Are you looking for 
> money from the Ukraine now. Probably they are Christians slaughtered by 
> the Jews. And if in fact they are Jews. Wait and see what we are going to 
> do those squatter living in Palestine, they call themelf Jews.
> SJ
>
They know them by the size of their snout! 




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"Lonesome Rhodes"  wrote in message 
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> torresdD wrote:
>
> > 
> >
> >> Fidel Castro always speaks truth to power, he never fails.
> >> I respect and admire him
> >
> >> Capitalism is a system by which greedy individuals, exploit human
> >> beings,for their own personal gain, benefit, whether or not it
> >> benefits anyone else.
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >> I love Fidel Castro.
> >> I respect Fidel Castro.
> >> I admire Fidel Castro.
> >> I wish him well and will be very sad the day he dies.
> >
> > 
> >
> >> It shows that when socialism is implemented and allowed to thrive
> >> without interference it can succeed very well indeed.
> >
> >> Hugo Chavez has made a huge difference for the good, in the lives of
> >> ordinary Venezuelans.

And Torres is so right! 




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HOW THE GREAT AMERICAN MYTH HAS BEEN EXPOSED AT LAST
3 comments
In a strange way, George Bush has been instrumental, though his plethora of 
lies to his people and to the world at large, in dismembering the Great 
American Myth.

I should say "Myths",because there are many false aspects involved.

There was a time in our history when we really DID stand for something. We 
had noble intent at any rate. Our citizens 100 years ago had a much broader 
vocabulary and were more inventive and industrious. We had foreign policies 
which often involved serious and honest aid to impoverished nations and an 
economic system which truly did give the poor a stong chance to "lift 
themselves up by their bootstraps"

All that is gone now, and the myth may not even be perpetuated for much 
longer.

The myth of America is complex but easy to describe. It has many facets and 
layers. George Bush has used the myth to his advantage in campaigning and 
there can be no doubt that the gross exaggerations about our nation's 
"qualities" got him elected and reelected (with a little help from the 
voting machine crowd, of course!).

America is said to have the finest health care system, but we now know we're 
at the bottom of the list internationally among industrialized nations. We 
are the only ones who still execute prisoners, despite the endless claims of 
a superior Justice system.

We claim safe streets and low crime while simultaniously incarcerating more 
prisoners per capita than any other country. We claim high educational 
values despite rating VERY poorly across the entire schoolin spectrum.

Bush loves to brag about American generosity, but we give less per capita 
than many European countries. We often state that we're sending financial 
aid for serious calamities overseas but the allocation of funds never 
materializes. We also claim that we're not "empirialists", but we have 730 
bases in 125 countries and many are nuclear armed! We literally BUY our way 
into other countries, claiming to be guarding them from danger but actually 
acting as a bulwark against a dubious claim of "possible attack" from 
Russia, China or "terrorists".

Our most famous bragging point, no longer remotely valid, is that America is 
the land of opportunity where anyone can make it..in fact ANYONE CAN BECOME 
PRESIDENT (the largest myth!) The only truth about opportunity seems to be 
that various drifters, grifters, conmen, drug dealers and gangs can and do 
seek out a way into our nation to ply their nefarious trades. They really 
CAN get rich in our land of plenty. Add to these clowns the enormous numbers 
of foreign corporations who come here to purchase our infrastructure, our 
manufacturing plants, raw land and even National Parks!

And lastly, the grossest prevarication is that American Democracy is the 
noblest experiment ever launched...and that we're somehow more "free" than, 
say those citizens of Norway, Belgium, Japan or Australia. Just how this is 
so is unclear. But George Bush isn't deterred by that logic. He manages to 
pump up the illusions and the partriotism and the pride which swells in the 
breasts of many Americans with endless speeches, and even sheds a few tears 
occasionally to drive the points home.

The rest of the world ain't buying it. The myth in small letters has become 
the MYTH writ large. We all love fairy tales, but now that's all they 
are...and the rest of the world isn't going to let us forget it.

Maybe some day, when our plague is dissipated...when George is a distant 
unpleasant memory...America can drop the myth and make the claims reality 
once again.

Maybe. It's worth a try.


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"Big Darkness Come Soon" Hunter S. Thompson said shortly before his death: 
"It is genuinely incredible. The U.S. Treasury is empty, we are losing that 
stupid, fraudulent chickencrap War in Iraq, and every country in the world 
except a handful of Corrupt Brits despises us. We are losers, and that is 
the one unforgivable sin in America...Beyond that, we have lost the respect 
of the world and lost two disastrous wars in three years. Afghanistan is 
lost, Iraq is a permanent war Zone, our national Economy is crashing all 
around us, the Pentagon's "war strategy" has failed miserably, nobody has 
any money to spend, and our once-mighty U.S. America is paralyzed by 
Mutinies in Iraq and even Fort Bragg...The American nation is in the worst 
condition I can remember in my lifetime, and our prospects for the immediate 
future are even worse. I am surprised and embarrassed to be a part of the 
first American generation to leave the country in far worse shape than it 
was when we first came into it. Our highway system is crumbling, our police 
are dishonest, our children are poor, our vaunted Social Security, once the 
envy of the world, has been looted and neglected and destroyed by the same 
gang of ignorant greed-crazed bastards who brought us Vietnam, Afghanistan, 
the disastrous Gaza Strip and ignominious defeat all over the world. The 
Stock Market will never come back, our Armies will never again be No. 1, and 
our children will drink filthy water for the rest of our lives...Big 
Darkness Come Soon." 




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"ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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> HOW THE GREAT AMERICAN MYTH HAS BEEN EXPOSED AT LAST
> 3 comments
> In a strange way, George Bush has been instrumental, though his plethora 
> of lies to his people and to the world at large, in dismembering the Great 
> American Myth.
>
> I should say "Myths",because there are many false aspects involved.
>
> There was a time in our history when we really DID stand for something. We 
> had noble intent at any rate. Our citizens 100 years ago had a much 
> broader vocabulary and were more inventive and industrious. We had foreign 
> policies which often involved serious and honest aid to impoverished 
> nations and an economic system which truly did give the poor a stong 
> chance to "lift themselves up by their bootstraps"
>
> All that is gone now, and the myth may not even be perpetuated for much 
> longer.
>
> The myth of America is complex but easy to describe. It has many facets 
> and layers. George Bush has used the myth to his advantage in campaigning 
> and there can be no doubt that the gross exaggerations about our nation's 
> "qualities" got him elected and reelected (with a little help from the 
> voting machine crowd, of course!).
>
> America is said to have the finest health care system, but we now know 
> we're at the bottom of the list internationally among industrialized 
> nations. We are the only ones who still execute prisoners, despite the 
> endless claims of a superior Justice system.
>
> We claim safe streets and low crime while simultaniously incarcerating 
> more prisoners per capita than any other country. We claim high 
> educational values despite rating VERY poorly across the entire schoolin 
> spectrum.
>
> Bush loves to brag about American generosity, but we give less per capita 
> than many European countries. We often state that we're sending financial 
> aid for serious calamities overseas but the allocation of funds never 
> materializes. We also claim that we're not "empirialists", but we have 730 
> bases in 125 countries and many are nuclear armed! We literally BUY our 
> way into other countries, claiming to be guarding them from danger but 
> actually acting as a bulwark against a dubious claim of "possible attack" 
> from Russia, China or "terrorists".
>
> Our most famous bragging point, no longer remotely valid, is that America 
> is the land of opportunity where anyone can make it..in fact ANYONE CAN 
> BECOME PRESIDENT (the largest myth!) The only truth about opportunity 
> seems to be that various drifters, grifters, conmen, drug dealers and 
> gangs can and do seek out a way into our nation to ply their nefarious 
> trades. They really CAN get rich in our land of plenty. Add to these 
> clowns the enormous numbers of foreign corporations who come here to 
> purchase our infrastructure, our manufacturing plants, raw land and even 
> National Parks!
>
> And lastly, the grossest prevarication is that American Democracy is the 
> noblest experiment ever launched...and that we're somehow more "free" 
> than, say those citizens of Norway, Belgium, Japan or Australia. Just how 
> this is so is unclear. But George Bush isn't deterred by that logic. He 
> manages to pump up the illusions and the partriotism and the pride which 
> swells in the breasts of many Americans with endless speeches, and even 
> sheds a few tears occasionally to drive the points home.
>
> The rest of the world ain't buying it. The myth in small letters has 
> become the MYTH writ large. We all love fairy tales, but now that's all 
> they are...and the rest of the world isn't going to let us forget it.
>
> Maybe some day, when our plague is dissipated...when George is a distant 
> unpleasant memory...America can drop the myth and make the claims reality 
> once again.
>
> Maybe. It's worth a try.

DON'T FORGET

We are compassionate conservatives We do not torture We do not read your 
mail We work hard for the money Everyone has an equal chance to get rich 
Rich people are kind to poor people Pretty girls don't only go for guys with 
money We do not kill for money or oil Our soldiers are the best in the world 
Our country right or wrong Anyone has a chance to become President 
Presidents are always honest, candid, sincere and kind




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President Bush Visits Prague, Czech Republic, Discusses Freedom
Large Hall
Czernin Palace
Prague, Czech Republic


White House News



4:07 P.M. (Local)

THE PRESIDENT: President Ilves, Foreign Minister Schwarzenberg, 
distinguished guests: Laura and I are pleased to be back in Prague, and we 
appreciate the gracious welcome in this historic hall. Tomorrow I attend the 
G-8 Summit, where I will meet with the leaders of the world's most powerful 
economies. This afternoon, I stand with men and women who represent an even 
greater power - the power of human conscience.

In this room are dissidents and democratic activists from 17 countries on 
five continents. You follow different traditions, you practice different 
faiths, and you face different challenges. But you are united by an 
unwavering conviction: that freedom is the non-negotiable right of every 
man, woman, and child, and that the path to lasting peace in our world is 
liberty. (Applause.)

This conference was conceived by three of the great advocates for freedom in 
our time: Jose Maria Aznar, Vaclav Havel, and Natan Sharansky. I thank them 
for the invitation to address this inspiring assembly, and for showing the 
world that an individual with moral clarity and courage can change the 
course of history.

It is fitting that we meet in the Czech Republic - a nation at the heart of 
Europe, and of the struggle for freedom on this continent. Nine decades ago, 
Tomas Masaryk proclaimed Czechoslovakia's independence based on the "ideals 
of modern democracy." That democracy was interrupted, first by the Nazis and 
then by the communists, who seized power in a shameful coup that left the 
Foreign Minister dead in the courtyard of this palace.

Through the long darkness of Soviet occupation, the true face of this nation 
was never in doubt. The world saw it in the reforms of the Prague Spring and 
the principled demands of Charter 77. Those efforts were met with tanks and 
truncheons and arrests by secret police. But the violent would not have the 
final word. In 1989, thousands gathered in Wenceslas Square to call for 
their freedom. Theaters like the Magic Lantern became headquarters for 
dissidents. Workers left their factories to support a strike. And within 
weeks, the regime crumbled. Vaclav Havel went from prisoner of state to head 
of state. And the people of Czechoslovakia brought down the Iron Curtain 
with a Velvet Revolution.

Across Europe, similar scenes were unfolding. In Poland, a movement that 
began in a single shipyard freed people across a nation. In Hungary, 
mourners gathered at Heroes Square to bury a slain reformer - and bury their 
communist regime, too. In East Germany, families came together for prayer 
meetings - and found the strength to tear down a wall. Soon, activists 
emerged from the attics and church basements to reclaim the streets of 
Bulgaria, and Romania, and Albania, and Latvia, and Lithuania, and Estonia. 
The Warsaw Pact was dissolved peacefully in this very room. And after seven 
decades of oppression, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

Behind these astonishing achievements was the triumph of freedom in the 
battle of ideas. The communists had an imperial ideology that claimed to 
know the directions of history. But in the end, it was overpowered by 
ordinary people who wanted to live their lives, and worship their God, and 
speak the truth to their children. The communists had the harsh rule of 
Brezhnev, and Honecker, and Ceausescu. But in the end, it was no match for 
the vision of Walesa and Havel, the defiance of Sakharov and Sharansky, the 
resolve of Reagan and Thatcher, and fearless witness of John Paul. From this 
experience, a clear lesson has emerged: Freedom can be resisted, and freedom 
can be delayed, but freedom cannot be denied.

In the years since liberation, Central and Eastern European nations have 
navigated the difficult transition to democracy. Leaders made the tough 
reforms needed to enter NATO and the European Union. Citizens claimed their 
freedom in the Balkans and beyond. And now, after centuries of war and 
suffering, the continent of Europe is at last in peace.

With this new era have come new threats to freedom. In dark and repressive 
corners of the world, whole generations grew up with no voice in their 
government and no hope in their future. This life of oppression bred deep 
resentment. And for many, resentment boiled over into radicalism and 
extremism and violence. The world saw the result on September the 11th, 
2001, when terrorists based in Afghanistan sent 19 suicidal men to murder 
nearly 3,000 innocent people in the United States.

For some, this attack called for a narrow response. In truth, 9/11 was 
evidence of a much broader danger - an international movement of violent 
Islamic extremists that threatens free people everywhere. The extremists' 
ambition is to build a totalitarian empire that spans all current and former 
Muslim lands, including parts of Europe. Their strategy to achieve that goal 
is to frighten the world into surrender through a ruthless campaign of 
terrorist murder.

To confront this enemy, America and our allies have taken the offensive with 
the full range of our military, intelligence, and law enforcement 
capabilities. Yet this battle is more than a military conflict. Like the 
Cold War, it's an ideological struggle between two fundamentally different 
visions of humanity. On one side are the extremists, who promise paradise, 
but deliver a life of public beatings and repression of women and suicide 
bombings. On the other side are huge numbers of moderate men and women - 
including millions in the Muslim world - who believe that every human life 
has dignity and value that no power on Earth can take away.

The most powerful weapon in the struggle against extremism is not bullets or 
bombs - it is the universal appeal of freedom. Freedom is the design of our 
Maker, and the longing of every soul. Freedom is the best way to unleash the 
creativity and economic potential of a nation. Freedom is the only ordering 
of a society that leads to justice. And human freedom is the only way to 
achieve human rights.

Expanding freedom is more than a moral imperative - it is the only realistic 
way to protect our people in the long run. Years ago, Andrei Sakharov warned 
that a country that does not respect the rights of its own people will not 
respond to the rights of its neighbors. History proves him right. 
Governments accountable to their people do not attack each other. 
Democracies address problems through the political process, instead of 
blaming outside scapegoats. Young people who can disagree openly with their 
leaders are less likely to adopt violent ideologies. And nations that commit 
to freedom for their people will not support extremists - they will join in 
defeating them.

For all these reasons, the United States is committed to the advance of 
freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and 
radicalism. (Applause.) And we have a historic objective in view. In my 
second inaugural address, I pledged America to the ultimate goal of ending 
tyranny in our world. Some have said that qualifies me as a "dissident 
president." If standing for liberty in the world makes me a dissident, I 
wear that title with pride. (Applause.)

America pursues our freedom agenda in many ways - some vocal and visible, 
others quiet and hidden from view. Ending tyranny requires support for the 
forces of conscience that undermine repressive societies from within. The 
Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik compared a tyrannical state to a soldier who 
constantly points a gun at his enemy - until his arms finally tire and the 
prisoner escapes. The role of the free world is to put pressure on the arms 
of the world's tyrants - and strengthen the prisoners who are trying to 
speed their collapse.

So I meet personally with dissidents and democratic activists from some of 
the world's worst dictatorships - including Belarus, and Burma, and Cuba, 
and North Korea, Sudan, and Zimbabwe. At this conference, I look forward to 
meeting other dissidents, including some from Iran and Syria. One of those 
dissidents is Mamoun Homsi. In 2001, this man was an independent member of 
the Syrian parliament who simply issued a declaration asking the government 
to begin respecting human rights. For this entirely peaceful act, he was 
arrested and sent to jail, where he spent several years beside other 
innocent advocates for a free Syria.

Another dissident I will meet here is Rebiyah Kadeer of China, whose sons 
have been jailed in what we believe is an act of retaliation for her human 
rights activities. The talent of men and women like Rebiyah is the greatest 
resource of their nations, far more valuable than the weapons of their army 
or their oil under the ground. America calls on every nation that stifles 
dissent to end its repression, to trust its people, and to grant its 
citizens the freedom they deserve. (Applause.)

There are many dissidents who couldn't join us because they are being 
unjustly imprisoned or held under house arrest. I look forward to the day 
when a conference like this one include Alexander Kozulin of Belarus, Aung 
San Suu Kyi of Burma, Oscar Elias Biscet of Cuba, Father Nguyen Van Ly of 
Vietnam, Ayman Nour of Egypt. (Applause.) The daughter of one of these 
political prisoners is in this room. I would like to say to her, and all the 
families: I thank you for your courage. I pray for your comfort and 
strength. And I call for the immediate and unconditional release of your 
loved ones. (Applause.)

In the eyes of America, the democratic dissidents today are the democratic 
leaders of tomorrow. So we're taking new steps to strengthen our support. We 
recently created a Human Rights Defenders Fund, which provides grants for 
the legal defense and medical expenses of activists arrested or beaten by 
repressive governments. I strongly support the Prague Document that your 
conference plans to issue, which states that "the protection of human rights 
is critical to international peace and security." And in keeping with the 
goals of that declaration, I have asked Secretary Rice to send a directive 
to every U.S. ambassador in an un-free nation: Seek out and meet with 
activists for democracy. Seek out those who demand human rights. (Applause.)

People living in tyranny need to know they are not forgotten. North Koreans 
live in a closed society where dissent is brutally suppressed, and they are 
cut off from their brothers and sisters to the south. The Iranians are a 
great people who deserve to chart their own future, but they are denied 
their liberty by a handful of extremists whose pursuit of nuclear weapons 
prevents their country from taking its rightful place amongst the thriving. 
The Cubans are desperate for freedom - and as that nation enters a period of 
transition, we must insist on free elections and free speech and free 
assembly. (Applause.) And in Sudan, freedom is denied and basic human rights 
are violated by a government that pursues genocide against its own citizens. 
My message to all those who suffer under tyranny is this: We will never 
excuse your oppressors. We will always stand for your freedom. (Applause.)

Freedom is also under assault in countries that have shown some progress. In 
Venezuela, elected leaders have resorted to shallow populism to dismantle 
democratic institutions and tighten their grip on power. The government of 
Uzbekistan continues to silence independent voices by jailing human rights 
activists. And Vietnam recently arrested and imprisoned a number of peaceful 
religious and political activists.

These developments are discouraging, but there are more reasons for 
optimism. At the start of the 1980s, there were only 45 democracies on 
Earth. There are now more than 120 democracies - more people now live in 
freedom than ever before. And it is the responsibility of those who enjoy 
the blessings of liberty to help those who are struggling to establish their 
free societies. So the United States has nearly doubled funding for 
democracy projects. We're working with our partners in the G-8 to promote 
the rise of a vibrant civil society in the Middle East through initiatives 
like the Forum for the Future. We're cooperating side-by-side with the new 
democracies in Ukraine and Georgia and Kyrgyzstan. We congratulate the 
people of Yemen on their landmark presidential election, and the people of 
Kuwait on elections in which women were able to vote and run for office for 
the first time. (Applause.) We stand firmly behind the people of Lebanon and 
Afghanistan and Iraq as they defend their democratic gains against extremist 
enemies. (Applause.) These people are making tremendous sacrifices for 
liberty. They deserve the admiration of the free world, and they deserve our 
unwavering support. (Applause.)

The United States is also using our influence to urge valued partners like 
Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to move toward freedom. These nations 
have taken brave stands and strong action to confront extremists, along with 
some steps to expand liberty and transparency. Yet they have a great 
distance still to travel. The United States will continue to press nations 
like these to open up their political systems, and give greater voice to 
their people. Inevitably, this creates tension. But our relationships with 
these countries are broad enough and deep enough to bear it. As our 
relationships with South Korea and Taiwan during the Cold War prove, America 
can maintain a friendship and push a nation toward democracy at the same 
time. (Applause.)

We're also applying that lesson to our relationships with Russia and China. 
(Applause.) The United States has strong working relationships with these 
countries. Our friendship with them is complex. In the areas where we share 
mutual interests, we work together. In other areas, we have strong 
disagreements. China's leaders believe that they can continue to open the 
nation's economy without opening its political system. We disagree. 
(Applause.) In Russia, reforms that were once promised to empower citizens 
have been derailed, with troubling implications for democratic development. 
Part of a good relationship is the ability to talk openly about our 
disagreements. So the United States will continue to build our relationships 
with these countries - and we will do it without abandoning our principles 
or our values. (Applause.)

We appreciate that free societies take shape at different speeds in 
different places. One virtue of democracy is that it reflects local history 
and traditions. Yet there are fundamental elements that all democracies 
share - freedom of speech, religion, press, and assembly; rule of law 
enforced by independent courts; private property rights; and political 
parties that compete in free and fair elections. (Applause.) These rights 
and institutions are the foundation of human dignity, and as countries find 
their own path to freedom, they must find a loyal partner in the United 
States of America.

Extending the reach of freedom is a mission that unites democracies around 
the world. Some of the greatest contributions are coming from nations with 
the freshest memories of tyranny. I appreciate the Czech Republic's support 
for human rights projects in Belarus and Burma and Cuba. I thank Germany, 
and Poland, and the Czech Republic, and Hungary, and Slovenia, and Georgia, 
Lithuania, Estonia, Croatia for contributing to the new United Nations 
Democracy Fund. I'm grateful for the commitment many new democracies in 
Central and Eastern Europe are making to Afghanistan and Iraq. I appreciate 
that these countries are willing to do the hard work necessary to enable 
people who want to be free to live in a free society. (Applause.)

In all these ways, the freedom agenda is making a difference. The work has 
been difficult, and that is not going to change. There will be triumphs and 
failures, progress and setbacks. Ending tyranny cannot be achieved 
overnight. And of course, this objective has its critics.

Some say that ending tyranny means "imposing our values" on people who do 
not share them, or that people live in parts of the world where freedom 
cannot take hold. That is refuted by the fact that every time people are 
given a choice, they choose freedom. We saw that when the people of Latin 
America turned dictatorships into democracies, and the people of South 
Africa replaced apartheid with a free society, and the people of Indonesia 
ended their long authoritarian rule. We saw it when Ukrainians in orange 
scarves demanded that their ballots be counted. We saw it when millions of 
Afghans and Iraqis defied the terrorists to elect free governments. At a 
polling station in Baghdad, I was struck by the words of an Iraqi - he had 
one leg - and he told a reporter, "I would have crawled here if I had to." 
Was democracy - I ask the critics, was democracy imposed on that man? Was 
freedom a value he did not share? The truth is that the only ones who have 
to impose their values are the extremists and the radicals and the tyrants. 
(Applause.)

And that is why the communists crushed the Prague Spring, and threw an 
innocent playwright in jail, and trembled at the sight of a Polish Pope. 
History shows that ultimately, freedom conquers fear. And given a chance, 
freedom will conquer fear in every nation on Earth. (Applause.)

Another objective - objection is that ending tyranny will unleash chaos. 
Critics point to the violence in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Lebanon as 
evidence that freedom leaves people less safe. But look who's causing the 
violence. It's the terrorists, it's the extremists. It is no coincidence 
that they are targeting young democracies in the Middle East. They know that 
the success of free societies there is a mortal threat to their ambitions - 
and to their very survival. The fact that our enemies are fighting back is 
not a reason to doubt democracy. It is evidence that they recognize 
democracy's power. It is evidence that we are at war. And it is evidence 
that free nations must do what it takes to prevail. (Applause.)

Still, some argue that a safer goal would be stability, especially in the 
Middle East. The problem is that pursuing stability at the expense of 
liberty does not lead to peace - it leads to September the 11th, 2001. 
(Applause.) The policy of tolerating tyranny is a moral and strategic 
failure. It is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century.

Others fear that democracy will bring dangerous forces to power, such as 
Hamas in the Palestinian Territories. Elections will not always turn out the 
way we hope. Yet democracy consists of more than a single trip to the ballot 
box. Democracy requires meaningful opposition parties, a vibrant civil 
society, a government that enforces the law and responds to the needs of its 
people. Elections can accelerate the creation of such institutions. In a 
democracy, people will not vote for a life of perpetual violence. To stay in 
power, elected officials must listen to their people and pursue their 
desires for peace - or, in democracies, the voters will replace them through 
free elections.

Finally, there's the contention that ending tyranny is unrealistic. Well, 
some argue that extending democracy around the world is simply too difficult 
to achieve. That's nothing new. We've heard that criticism before throughout 
history. At every stage of the Cold War, there were those who argued that 
the Berlin Wall was permanent, and that people behind the Iron Curtain would 
never overcome their oppressors. History has sent a different message.

The lesson is that freedom will always have its skeptics. But that's not the 
whole story. There are also people like you, and the loved ones you 
represent - men and women with courage to risk everything for your ideals. 
In his first address as President, Vaclav Havel proclaimed, "People, your 
government has returned to you!" He was echoing the first speech of Tomas 
Masaryk - who was, in turn, quoting the 17th century Czech teacher Comenius. 
His message was that freedom is timeless. It does not belong to one 
government or one generation. Freedom is the dream and the right of every 
person in every nation in every age. (Applause.)

The United States of America believes deeply in that message. It was the 
inspiration for our founding, when we declared that "all men are created 
equal." It was the conviction that led us to help liberate this continent, 
and stand with the captive nations through their long struggle. It is the 
truth that guides our nation to oppose radicals and extremists and terror 
and tyranny in the world today. And it is the reason I have such great 
confidence in the men and women in this room.

I leave Prague with a certainty that the cause of freedom is not tired, and 
that its future is in the best of hands. With unbreakable faith in the power 
of liberty, you will inspire your people, you will lead your nations, and 
you will change the world.

Thanks for having me. And may God bless you. (Applause.)

END 4:38 P.M. (Local)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070605-8.htm

Notice that Bush mentions "Natan" Sharansky  (his real name is Anatoly, 
Tolia Sharansky), the communist aparatchik, whose father was a full time 
Soviet propagandist in Ukraine, during the purges which have killed 
millions. Sharansky, himself was avowed communist, who invented the 
"dissident" tale in order to win favour from neocons. 




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 President Bush Visits Prague, Czech Republic, Discusses Freedom
Large Hall
Czernin Palace
Prague, Czech Republic


White House News



4:07 P.M. (Local)

THE PRESIDENT: President Ilves, Foreign Minister Schwarzenberg, 
distinguished guests: Laura and I are pleased to be back in Prague, and we 
appreciate the gracious welcome in this historic hall. Tomorrow I attend the 
G-8 Summit, where I will meet with the leaders of the world's most powerful 
economies. This afternoon, I stand with men and women who represent an even 
greater power - the power of human conscience.

In this room are dissidents and democratic activists from 17 countries on 
five continents. You follow different traditions, you practice different 
faiths, and you face different challenges. But you are united by an 
unwavering conviction: that freedom is the non-negotiable right of every 
man, woman, and child, and that the path to lasting peace in our world is 
liberty. (Applause.)

This conference was conceived by three of the great advocates for freedom in 
our time: Jose Maria Aznar, Vaclav Havel, and Natan Sharansky. I thank them 
for the invitation to address this inspiring assembly, and for showing the 
world that an individual with moral clarity and courage can change the 
course of history.

It is fitting that we meet in the Czech Republic - a nation at the heart of 
Europe, and of the struggle for freedom on this continent. Nine decades ago, 
Tomas Masaryk proclaimed Czechoslovakia's independence based on the "ideals 
of modern democracy." That democracy was interrupted, first by the Nazis and 
then by the communists, who seized power in a shameful coup that left the 
Foreign Minister dead in the courtyard of this palace.

Through the long darkness of Soviet occupation, the true face of this nation 
was never in doubt. The world saw it in the reforms of the Prague Spring and 
the principled demands of Charter 77. Those efforts were met with tanks and 
truncheons and arrests by secret police. But the violent would not have the 
final word. In 1989, thousands gathered in Wenceslas Square to call for 
their freedom. Theaters like the Magic Lantern became headquarters for 
dissidents. Workers left their factories to support a strike. And within 
weeks, the regime crumbled. Vaclav Havel went from prisoner of state to head 
of state. And the people of Czechoslovakia brought down the Iron Curtain 
with a Velvet Revolution.

Across Europe, similar scenes were unfolding. In Poland, a movement that 
began in a single shipyard freed people across a nation. In Hungary, 
mourners gathered at Heroes Square to bury a slain reformer - and bury their 
communist regime, too. In East Germany, families came together for prayer 
meetings - and found the strength to tear down a wall. Soon, activists 
emerged from the attics and church basements to reclaim the streets of 
Bulgaria, and Romania, and Albania, and Latvia, and Lithuania, and Estonia. 
The Warsaw Pact was dissolved peacefully in this very room. And after seven 
decades of oppression, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

Behind these astonishing achievements was the triumph of freedom in the 
battle of ideas. The communists had an imperial ideology that claimed to 
know the directions of history. But in the end, it was overpowered by 
ordinary people who wanted to live their lives, and worship their God, and 
speak the truth to their children. The communists had the harsh rule of 
Brezhnev, and Honecker, and Ceausescu. But in the end, it was no match for 
the vision of Walesa and Havel, the defiance of Sakharov and Sharansky, the 
resolve of Reagan and Thatcher, and fearless witness of John Paul. From this 
experience, a clear lesson has emerged: Freedom can be resisted, and freedom 
can be delayed, but freedom cannot be denied.

In the years since liberation, Central and Eastern European nations have 
navigated the difficult transition to democracy. Leaders made the tough 
reforms needed to enter NATO and the European Union. Citizens claimed their 
freedom in the Balkans and beyond. And now, after centuries of war and 
suffering, the continent of Europe is at last in peace.

With this new era have come new threats to freedom. In dark and repressive 
corners of the world, whole generations grew up with no voice in their 
government and no hope in their future. This life of oppression bred deep 
resentment. And for many, resentment boiled over into radicalism and 
extremism and violence. The world saw the result on September the 11th, 
2001, when terrorists based in Afghanistan sent 19 suicidal men to murder 
nearly 3,000 innocent people in the United States.

For some, this attack called for a narrow response. In truth, 9/11 was 
evidence of a much broader danger - an international movement of violent 
Islamic extremists that threatens free people everywhere. The extremists' 
ambition is to build a totalitarian empire that spans all current and former 
Muslim lands, including parts of Europe. Their strategy to achieve that goal 
is to frighten the world into surrender through a ruthless campaign of 
terrorist murder.

To confront this enemy, America and our allies have taken the offensive with 
the full range of our military, intelligence, and law enforcement 
capabilities. Yet this battle is more than a military conflict. Like the 
Cold War, it's an ideological struggle between two fundamentally different 
visions of humanity. On one side are the extremists, who promise paradise, 
but deliver a life of public beatings and repression of women and suicide 
bombings. On the other side are huge numbers of moderate men and women - 
including millions in the Muslim world - who believe that every human life 
has dignity and value that no power on Earth can take away.

The most powerful weapon in the struggle against extremism is not bullets or 
bombs - it is the universal appeal of freedom. Freedom is the design of our 
Maker, and the longing of every soul. Freedom is the best way to unleash the 
creativity and economic potential of a nation. Freedom is the only ordering 
of a society that leads to justice. And human freedom is the only way to 
achieve human rights.

Expanding freedom is more than a moral imperative - it is the only realistic 
way to protect our people in the long run. Years ago, Andrei Sakharov warned 
that a country that does not respect the rights of its own people will not 
respond to the rights of its neighbors. History proves him right. 
Governments accountable to their people do not attack each other. 
Democracies address problems through the political process, instead of 
blaming outside scapegoats. Young people who can disagree openly with their 
leaders are less likely to adopt violent ideologies. And nations that commit 
to freedom for their people will not support extremists - they will join in 
defeating them.

For all these reasons, the United States is committed to the advance of 
freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and 
radicalism. (Applause.) And we have a historic objective in view. In my 
second inaugural address, I pledged America to the ultimate goal of ending 
tyranny in our world. Some have said that qualifies me as a "dissident 
president." If standing for liberty in the world makes me a dissident, I 
wear that title with pride. (Applause.)

America pursues our freedom agenda in many ways - some vocal and visible, 
others quiet and hidden from view. Ending tyranny requires support for the 
forces of conscience that undermine repressive societies from within. The 
Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik compared a tyrannical state to a soldier who 
constantly points a gun at his enemy - until his arms finally tire and the 
prisoner escapes. The role of the free world is to put pressure on the arms 
of the world's tyrants - and strengthen the prisoners who are trying to 
speed their collapse.

So I meet personally with dissidents and democratic activists from some of 
the world's worst dictatorships - including Belarus, and Burma, and Cuba, 
and North Korea, Sudan, and Zimbabwe. At this conference, I look forward to 
meeting other dissidents, including some from Iran and Syria. One of those 
dissidents is Mamoun Homsi. In 2001, this man was an independent member of 
the Syrian parliament who simply issued a declaration asking the government 
to begin respecting human rights. For this entirely peaceful act, he was 
arrested and sent to jail, where he spent several years beside other 
innocent advocates for a free Syria.

Another dissident I will meet here is Rebiyah Kadeer of China, whose sons 
have been jailed in what we believe is an act of retaliation for her human 
rights activities. The talent of men and women like Rebiyah is the greatest 
resource of their nations, far more valuable than the weapons of their army 
or their oil under the ground. America calls on every nation that stifles 
dissent to end its repression, to trust its people, and to grant its 
citizens the freedom they deserve. (Applause.)

There are many dissidents who couldn't join us because they are being 
unjustly imprisoned or held under house arrest. I look forward to the day 
when a conference like this one include Alexander Kozulin of Belarus, Aung 
San Suu Kyi of Burma, Oscar Elias Biscet of Cuba, Father Nguyen Van Ly of 
Vietnam, Ayman Nour of Egypt. (Applause.) The daughter of one of these 
political prisoners is in this room. I would like to say to her, and all the 
families: I thank you for your courage. I pray for your comfort and 
strength. And I call for the immediate and unconditional release of your 
loved ones. (Applause.)

In the eyes of America, the democratic dissidents today are the democratic 
leaders of tomorrow. So we're taking new steps to strengthen our support. We 
recently created a Human Rights Defenders Fund, which provides grants for 
the legal defense and medical expenses of activists arrested or beaten by 
repressive governments. I strongly support the Prague Document that your 
conference plans to issue, which states that "the protection of human rights 
is critical to international peace and security." And in keeping with the 
goals of that declaration, I have asked Secretary Rice to send a directive 
to every U.S. ambassador in an un-free nation: Seek out and meet with 
activists for democracy. Seek out those who demand human rights. (Applause.)

People living in tyranny need to know they are not forgotten. North Koreans 
live in a closed society where dissent is brutally suppressed, and they are 
cut off from their brothers and sisters to the south. The Iranians are a 
great people who deserve to chart their own future, but they are denied 
their liberty by a handful of extremists whose pursuit of nuclear weapons 
prevents their country from taking its rightful place amongst the thriving. 
The Cubans are desperate for freedom - and as that nation enters a period of 
transition, we must insist on free elections and free speech and free 
assembly. (Applause.) And in Sudan, freedom is denied and basic human rights 
are violated by a government that pursues genocide against its own citizens. 
My message to all those who suffer under tyranny is this: We will never 
excuse your oppressors. We will always stand for your freedom. (Applause.)

Freedom is also under assault in countries that have shown some progress. In 
Venezuela, elected leaders have resorted to shallow populism to dismantle 
democratic institutions and tighten their grip on power. The government of 
Uzbekistan continues to silence independent voices by jailing human rights 
activists. And Vietnam recently arrested and imprisoned a number of peaceful 
religious and political activists.

These developments are discouraging, but there are more reasons for 
optimism. At the start of the 1980s, there were only 45 democracies on 
Earth. There are now more than 120 democracies - more people now live in 
freedom than ever before. And it is the responsibility of those who enjoy 
the blessings of liberty to help those who are struggling to establish their 
free societies. So the United States has nearly doubled funding for 
democracy projects. We're working with our partners in the G-8 to promote 
the rise of a vibrant civil society in the Middle East through initiatives 
like the Forum for the Future. We're cooperating side-by-side with the new 
democracies in Ukraine and Georgia and Kyrgyzstan. We congratulate the 
people of Yemen on their landmark presidential election, and the people of 
Kuwait on elections in which women were able to vote and run for office for 
the first time. (Applause.) We stand firmly behind the people of Lebanon and 
Afghanistan and Iraq as they defend their democratic gains against extremist 
enemies. (Applause.) These people are making tremendous sacrifices for 
liberty. They deserve the admiration of the free world, and they deserve our 
unwavering support. (Applause.)

The United States is also using our influence to urge valued partners like 
Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to move toward freedom. These nations 
have taken brave stands and strong action to confront extremists, along with 
some steps to expand liberty and transparency. Yet they have a great 
distance still to travel. The United States will continue to press nations 
like these to open up their political systems, and give greater voice to 
their people. Inevitably, this creates tension. But our relationships with 
these countries are broad enough and deep enough to bear it. As our 
relationships with South Korea and Taiwan during the Cold War prove, America 
can maintain a friendship and push a nation toward democracy at the same 
time. (Applause.)

We're also applying that lesson to our relationships with Russia and China. 
(Applause.) The United States has strong working relationships with these 
countries. Our friendship with them is complex. In the areas where we share 
mutual interests, we work together. In other areas, we have strong 
disagreements. China's leaders believe that they can continue to open the 
nation's economy without opening its political system. We disagree. 
(Applause.) In Russia, reforms that were once promised to empower citizens 
have been derailed, with troubling implications for democratic development. 
Part of a good relationship is the ability to talk openly about our 
disagreements. So the United States will continue to build our relationships 
with these countries - and we will do it without abandoning our principles 
or our values. (Applause.)

We appreciate that free societies take shape at different speeds in 
different places. One virtue of democracy is that it reflects local history 
and traditions. Yet there are fundamental elements that all democracies 
share - freedom of speech, religion, press, and assembly; rule of law 
enforced by independent courts; private property rights; and political 
parties that compete in free and fair elections. (Applause.) These rights 
and institutions are the foundation of human dignity, and as countries find 
their own path to freedom, they must find a loyal partner in the United 
States of America.

Extending the reach of freedom is a mission that unites democracies around 
the world. Some of the greatest contributions are coming from nations with 
the freshest memories of tyranny. I appreciate the Czech Republic's support 
for human rights projects in Belarus and Burma and Cuba. I thank Germany, 
and Poland, and the Czech Republic, and Hungary, and Slovenia, and Georgia, 
Lithuania, Estonia, Croatia for contributing to the new United Nations 
Democracy Fund. I'm grateful for the commitment many new democracies in 
Central and Eastern Europe are making to Afghanistan and Iraq. I appreciate 
that these countries are willing to do the hard work necessary to enable 
people who want to be free to live in a free society. (Applause.)

In all these ways, the freedom agenda is making a difference. The work has 
been difficult, and that is not going to change. There will be triumphs and 
failures, progress and setbacks. Ending tyranny cannot be achieved 
overnight. And of course, this objective has its critics.

Some say that ending tyranny means "imposing our values" on people who do 
not share them, or that people live in parts of the world where freedom 
cannot take hold. That is refuted by the fact that every time people are 
given a choice, they choose freedom. We saw that when the people of Latin 
America turned dictatorships into democracies, and the people of South 
Africa replaced apartheid with a free society, and the people of Indonesia 
ended their long authoritarian rule. We saw it when Ukrainians in orange 
scarves demanded that their ballots be counted. We saw it when millions of 
Afghans and Iraqis defied the terrorists to elect free governments. At a 
polling station in Baghdad, I was struck by the words of an Iraqi - he had 
one leg - and he told a reporter, "I would have crawled here if I had to." 
Was democracy - I ask the critics, was democracy imposed on that man? Was 
freedom a value he did not share? The truth is that the only ones who have 
to impose their values are the extremists and the radicals and the tyrants. 
(Applause.)

And that is why the communists crushed the Prague Spring, and threw an 
innocent playwright in jail, and trembled at the sight of a Polish Pope. 
History shows that ultimately, freedom conquers fear. And given a chance, 
freedom will conquer fear in every nation on Earth. (Applause.)

Another objective - objection is that ending tyranny will unleash chaos. 
Critics point to the violence in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Lebanon as 
evidence that freedom leaves people less safe. But look who's causing the 
violence. It's the terrorists, it's the extremists. It is no coincidence 
that they are targeting young democracies in the Middle East. They know that 
the success of free societies there is a mortal threat to their ambitions - 
and to their very survival. The fact that our enemies are fighting back is 
not a reason to doubt democracy. It is evidence that they recognize 
democracy's power. It is evidence that we are at war. And it is evidence 
that free nations must do what it takes to prevail. (Applause.)

Still, some argue that a safer goal would be stability, especially in the 
Middle East. The problem is that pursuing stability at the expense of 
liberty does not lead to peace - it leads to September the 11th, 2001. 
(Applause.) The policy of tolerating tyranny is a moral and strategic 
failure. It is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century.

Others fear that democracy will bring dangerous forces to power, such as 
Hamas in the Palestinian Territories. Elections will not always turn out the 
way we hope. Yet democracy consists of more than a single trip to the ballot 
box. Democracy requires meaningful opposition parties, a vibrant civil 
society, a government that enforces the law and responds to the needs of its 
people. Elections can accelerate the creation of such institutions. In a 
democracy, people will not vote for a life of perpetual violence. To stay in 
power, elected officials must listen to their people and pursue their 
desires for peace - or, in democracies, the voters will replace them through 
free elections.

Finally, there's the contention that ending tyranny is unrealistic. Well, 
some argue that extending democracy around the world is simply too difficult 
to achieve. That's nothing new. We've heard that criticism before throughout 
history. At every stage of the Cold War, there were those who argued that 
the Berlin Wall was permanent, and that people behind the Iron Curtain would 
never overcome their oppressors. History has sent a different message.

The lesson is that freedom will always have its skeptics. But that's not the 
whole story. There are also people like you, and the loved ones you 
represent - men and women with courage to risk everything for your ideals. 
In his first address as President, Vaclav Havel proclaimed, "People, your 
government has returned to you!" He was echoing the first speech of Tomas 
Masaryk - who was, in turn, quoting the 17th century Czech teacher Comenius. 
His message was that freedom is timeless. It does not belong to one 
government or one generation. Freedom is the dream and the right of every 
person in every nation in every age. (Applause.)

The United States of America believes deeply in that message. It was the 
inspiration for our founding, when we declared that "all men are created 
equal." It was the conviction that led us to help liberate this continent, 
and stand with the captive nations through their long struggle. It is the 
truth that guides our nation to oppose radicals and extremists and terror 
and tyranny in the world today. And it is the reason I have such great 
confidence in the men and women in this room.

I leave Prague with a certainty that the cause of freedom is not tired, and 
that its future is in the best of hands. With unbreakable faith in the power 
of liberty, you will inspire your people, you will lead your nations, and 
you will change the world.

Thanks for having me. And may God bless you. (Applause.)

END 4:38 P.M. (Local)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070605-8.htm 




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"Don Ocean"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
>> news:umq9i.3776$Mg.3593@trnddc01...
>>> Fucking bunch of lies. How do you know they were Jews. Are you looking 
>>> for money from the Ukraine now. Probably they are Christians slaughtered 
>>> by the Jews. And if in fact they are Jews. Wait and see what we are 
>>> going to do those squatter living in Palestine, they call themelf Jews.
>>> SJ
>>>
>> They know them by the size of their snout!
>
> Old shithead forgets to mention that around 1914 the Jewish Bolsheviks 
> murdered 8 Million Ukrainians. We have Ukrainian immigrants that go 
> ballistic at the very mention of the word Jew. And if any Jews were 
> executed in the Ukrain.. It would be my guess that it was by the 
> Ukrainians themselves in retribution. You do remember that the Ukrainians 
> were in sympathy with the Germans.
>>
You got that one on the knocker!  My father's family of around 40 people was 
killed by the Jewish Commissars, with a bullet in the back of the head. Jews 
did the same with the babes in arms and little kids! 




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Imprisoning a Whole Nation
Israel is being allowed to destroy the very notion of a state of Palestine 
and is imprisoning an entire nation. That is clear from the latest attacks 
on Gaza, whose suffering has become a metaphor for the tragedy imposed on 
the peoples of the Middle East and beyond. These attacks, reported on 
Britain's Channel 4 News, were "targeting key militants of Hamas" and the 
"Hamas infrastructure." The BBC described a "clash" between the same 
militants and Israeli F-16 aircraft.
Consider one such clash. The militants' car was blown to pieces by a missile 
>from a fighter-bomber. Who were these militants? In my experience, all the 
people of Gaza are militant in their resistance to their jailer and 
tormentor. As for the "Hamas infrastructure," this was the headquarters of 
the party that won last year's democratic elections in Palestine. To report 
that would give the wrong impression. It would suggest that the people in 
the car and all the others over the years, the babies and the elderly who 
have also "clashed" with fighter-bombers, were victims of a monstrous 
injustice. It would suggest the truth.




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Imprisoning a Whole Nation
Israel is being allowed to destroy the very notion of a state of Palestine 
and is imprisoning an entire nation. That is clear from the latest attacks 
on Gaza, whose suffering has become a metaphor for the tragedy imposed on 
the peoples of the Middle East and beyond. These attacks, reported on 
Britain's Channel 4 News, were "targeting key militants of Hamas" and the 
"Hamas infrastructure." The BBC described a "clash" between the same 
militants and Israeli F-16 aircraft.
Consider one such clash. The militants' car was blown to pieces by a missile 
>from a fighter-bomber. Who were these militants? In my experience, all the 
people of Gaza are militant in their resistance to their jailer and 
tormentor. As for the "Hamas infrastructure," this was the headquarters of 
the party that won last year's democratic elections in Palestine. To report 
that would give the wrong impression. It would suggest that the people in 
the car and all the others over the years, the babies and the elderly who 
have also "clashed" with fighter-bombers, were victims of a monstrous 
injustice. It would suggest the truth.




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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>A powerful bomb blast severely destroyed an empty passenger bus in a mainly 
>Christian suburb in east Beirut on Monday evening, wounding 10 passers-by.
>
>
>
> The explosion took place at the entrance of a business center in Mar Taqla 
> area of Sad Boushriyeh district. It also caused damages to nearby cars and 
> at least 10 shops.
>
> Ambulances and fire engines rushed to the area, and the Lebanese security 
> authorities set up checkpoints and cordoned off the chaotic scene. The 
> injured, with a white band on the head, were seen leaving the scene with 
> the help of rescuers.
>
> It was the fourth bomb attack since May 20, when a fierce conflict erupted 
> between the Lebanese Army and the Fatah al-Islam group based at the 
> Palestinian refugee camp of Nahr al-Bared in northern Lebanon.
>
> On May 21, a bomb planted under a car blasted near the upscale ABC 
> shopping mall in the prosperous Christian neighborhood of Achrafye in 
> central Beirut, killing one woman and wounding a dozen others.
>
> One day later, a car bomb rocked Beirut's Sunni neighborhood of Verdun, 
> injuring about six persons and causing fire in a nearby building.
> On May 23, another bomb hit the Druze resort town of Aley, about 20 km 
> east of Beirut, wounding about five persons.
>
> According to local Naharnet website, the blast was similar to the one that 
> targeted two commuting busses in the mainly Christian town of Ein Alaq, 48 
> km northeast of Beirut on February 13, which killed and wounded at least 
> 20 people.
>
> The Ein Alaq twin bombings were blamed by the Lebanese government on the 
> Fatah al-Islam group.


Imprisoning a Whole Nation
Israel is being allowed to destroy the very notion of a state of Palestine 
and is imprisoning an entire nation. That is clear from the latest attacks 
on Gaza, whose suffering has become a metaphor for the tragedy imposed on 
the peoples of the Middle East and beyond. These attacks, reported on 
Britain's Channel 4 News, were "targeting key militants of Hamas" and the 
"Hamas infrastructure." The BBC described a "clash" between the same 
militants and Israeli F-16 aircraft.
Consider one such clash. The militants' car was blown to pieces by a missile 
>from a fighter-bomber. Who were these militants? In my experience, all the 
people of Gaza are militant in their resistance to their jailer and 
tormentor. As for the "Hamas infrastructure," this was the headquarters of 
the party that won last year's democratic elections in Palestine. To report 
that would give the wrong impression. It would suggest that the people in 
the car and all the others over the years, the babies and the elderly who 
have also "clashed" with fighter-bombers, were victims of a monstrous 
injustice. It would suggest the truth.




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f451bp$dk7$3@aioe.org...
> ElParedon wrote:
>> Czechs Vote Against U.S. Antimissile Radar Base, PM Says Is A
>> Question Of National Courage
>> By: fromP?rtugal on: 05.06.2007 [09:23 ] (208 reads)
>>
>>         At least 95 percent of voters in a total of five villages
>> have now opposed hosting the radar base, to be located at a military
>> training site in the Brdy hills southwest of Prague.
>>
>
> 5 villages which mean nothing.The referendums are non binding.

Means alot to the villagers themselves, who were good at blowing up the Nazi 
bases in the past! 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f451bp$dk7$3@aioe.org...
> ElParedon wrote:
>> Czechs Vote Against U.S. Antimissile Radar Base, PM Says Is A
>> Question Of National Courage
>> By: fromP?rtugal on: 05.06.2007 [09:23 ] (208 reads)
>>
>>         At least 95 percent of voters in a total of five villages
>> have now opposed hosting the radar base, to be located at a military
>> training site in the Brdy hills southwest of Prague.
>>
>
> 5 villages which mean nothing.The referendums are non binding.

Ever heard of Lidice? I guess not! 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 4, 6:15 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181001947.080406.273240@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > According to Knesset Minutes a Jew is only a person whose mother is a
>> > Jew.  Converts are considered proselytes and are not allowed to serve
>> > in any governmental capacity in Medinot Israel.
>> >http://www.knesset.gov.il/broadcast/eng/screen_eng.asp
>>
>> > All persons that do not have a Jewish mother are not Jews.
>>
>> Most Mongol Ashkenazi mothers are descended from Mongols. Just like Adolf
>> Sharon. Take a look at him! Semite? No way!
>
> Ariel Sharon is a Jew.  He was born from a Jewish mother.  Fools judge
> books by their cover.
LIAR! SHARON'S MOTHER WAS RUSSIAN/UKRAINIAN, CHRISTIAN. HIS FATHER WAS A PIG 
BUTCHER! 




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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/BushPrague/ 




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> On Jun 5, 11:46 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> President Bush Visits Prague, Czech Republic, Discusses Freedom
>> Large Hall
>> Czernin Palace
>> Prague, Czech Republic
>>
>> White House News
>>
>> 4:07 P.M. (Local)
>>
>> THE PRESIDENT: President Ilves, Foreign Minister Schwarzenberg,
>> distinguished guests: Laura and I are pleased to be back in Prague, and 
>> we
>> appreciate the gracious welcome in this historic hall. Tomorrow I attend 
>> the
>> G-8 Summit, where I will meet with the leaders of the world's most 
>> powerful
>> economies. This afternoon, I stand with men and women who represent an 
>> even
>> greater power - the power of human conscience.
>>
>> In this room are dissidents and democratic activists from 17 countries on
>> five continents. You follow different traditions, you practice different
>> faiths, and you face different challenges. But you are united by an
>> unwavering conviction: that freedom is the non-negotiable right of every
>> man, woman, and child, and that the path to lasting peace in our world is
>> liberty. (Applause.)
>>
>> This conference was conceived by three of the great advocates for freedom 
>> in
>> our time: Jose Maria Aznar, Vaclav Havel, and Natan Sharansky. I thank 
>> them
>> for the invitation to address this inspiring assembly, and for showing 
>> the
>> world that an individual with moral clarity and courage can change the
>> course of history.
>>
>> It is fitting that we meet in the Czech Republic - a nation at the heart 
>> of
>> Europe, and of the struggle for freedom on this continent. Nine decades 
>> ago,
>> Tomas Masaryk proclaimed Czechoslovakia's independence based on the 
>> "ideals
>> of modern democracy." That democracy was interrupted, first by the Nazis 
>> and
>> then by the communists, who seized power in a shameful coup that left the
>> Foreign Minister dead in the courtyard of this palace.
>>
>> Through the long darkness of Soviet occupation, the true face of this 
>> nation
>> was never in doubt. The world saw it in the reforms of the Prague Spring 
>> and
>> the principled demands of Charter 77. Those efforts were met with tanks 
>> and
>> truncheons and arrests by secret police. But the violent would not have 
>> the
>> final word. In 1989, thousands gathered in Wenceslas Square to call for
>> their freedom. Theaters like the Magic Lantern became headquarters for
>> dissidents. Workers left their factories to support a strike. And within
>> weeks, the regime crumbled. Vaclav Havel went from prisoner of state to 
>> head
>> of state. And the people of Czechoslovakia brought down the Iron Curtain
>> with a Velvet Revolution.
>>
>> Across Europe, similar scenes were unfolding. In Poland, a movement that
>> began in a single shipyard freed people across a nation. In Hungary,
>> mourners gathered at Heroes Square to bury a slain reformer - and bury 
>> their
>> communist regime, too. In East Germany, families came together for prayer
>> meetings - and found the strength to tear down a wall. Soon, activists
>> emerged from the attics and church basements to reclaim the streets of
>> Bulgaria, and Romania, and Albania, and Latvia, and Lithuania, and 
>> Estonia.
>> The Warsaw Pact was dissolved peacefully in this very room. And after 
>> seven
>> decades of oppression, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
>>
>> Behind these astonishing achievements was the triumph of freedom in the
>> battle of ideas. The communists had an imperial ideology that claimed to
>> know the directions of history. But in the end, it was overpowered by
>> ordinary people who wanted to live their lives, and worship their God, 
>> and
>> speak the truth to their children. The communists had the harsh rule of
>> Brezhnev, and Honecker, and Ceausescu. But in the end, it was no match 
>> for
>> the vision of Walesa and Havel, the defiance of Sakharov and Sharansky, 
>> the
>> resolve of Reagan and Thatcher, and fearless witness of John Paul. From 
>> this
>> experience, a clear lesson has emerged: Freedom can be resisted, and 
>> freedom
>> can be delayed, but freedom cannot be denied.
>>
>> In the years since liberation, Central and Eastern European nations have
>> navigated the difficult transition to democracy. Leaders made the tough
>> reforms needed to enter NATO and the European Union. Citizens claimed 
>> their
>> freedom in the Balkans and beyond. And now, after centuries of war and
>> suffering, the continent of Europe is at last in peace.
>>
>> With this new era have come new threats to freedom. In dark and 
>> repressive
>> corners of the world, whole generations grew up with no voice in their
>> government and no hope in their future. This life of oppression bred deep
>> resentment. And for many, resentment boiled over into radicalism and
>> extremism and violence. The world saw the result on September the 11th,
>> 2001, when terrorists based in Afghanistan sent 19 suicidal men to murder
>> nearly 3,000 innocent people in the United States.
>>
>> For some, this attack called for a narrow response. In truth, 9/11 was
>> evidence of a much broader danger - an international movement of violent
>> Islamic extremists that threatens free people everywhere. The extremists'
>> ambition is to build a totalitarian empire that spans all current and 
>> former
>> Muslim lands, including parts of Europe. Their strategy to achieve that 
>> goal
>> is to frighten the world into surrender through a ruthless campaign of
>> terrorist murder.
>>
>> To confront this enemy, America and our allies have taken the offensive 
>> with
>> the full range of our military, intelligence, and law enforcement
>> capabilities. Yet this battle is more than a military conflict. Like the
>> Cold War, it's an ideological struggle between two fundamentally 
>> different
>> visions of humanity. On one side are the extremists, who promise 
>> paradise,
>> but deliver a life of public beatings and repression of women and suicide
>> bombings. On the other side are huge numbers of moderate men and women -
>> including millions in the Muslim world - who believe that every human 
>> life
>> has dignity and value that no power on Earth can take away.
>>
>> The most powerful weapon in the struggle against extremism is not bullets 
>> or
>> bombs - it is the universal appeal of freedom. Freedom is the design of 
>> our
>> Maker, and the longing of every soul. Freedom is the best way to unleash 
>> the
>> creativity and economic potential of a nation. Freedom is the only 
>> ordering
>> of a society that leads to justice. And human freedom is the only way to
>> achieve human rights.
>>
>> Expanding freedom is more than a moral imperative - it is the only 
>> realistic
>> way to protect our people in the long run. Years ago, Andrei Sakharov 
>> warned
>> that a country that does not respect the rights of its own people will 
>> not
>> respond to the rights of its neighbors. History proves him right.
>> Governments accountable to their people do not attack each other.
>> Democracies address problems through the political process, instead of
>> blaming outside scapegoats. Young people who can disagree openly with 
>> their
>> leaders are less likely to adopt violent ideologies. And nations that 
>> commit
>> to freedom for their people will not support extremists - they will join 
>> in
>> defeating them.
>>
>> For all these reasons, the United States is committed to the advance of
>> freedom and democracy as the great alternatives to repression and
>> radicalism. (Applause.) And we have a historic objective in view. In my
>> second inaugural address, I pledged America to the ultimate goal of 
>> ending
>> tyranny in our world. Some have said that qualifies me as a "dissident
>> president." If standing for liberty in the world makes me a dissident, I
>> wear that title with pride. (Applause.)
>>
>> America pursues our freedom agenda in many ways - some vocal and visible,
>> others quiet and hidden from view. Ending tyranny requires support for 
>> the
>> forces of conscience that undermine repressive societies from within. The
>> Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik compared a tyrannical state to a soldier 
>> who
>> constantly points a gun at his enemy - until his arms finally tire and 
>> the
>> prisoner escapes. The role of the free world is to put pressure on the 
>> arms
>> of the world's tyrants - and strengthen the prisoners who are trying to
>> speed their collapse.
>>
>> So I meet personally with dissidents and democratic activists from some 
>> of
>> the world's worst dictatorships - including Belarus, and Burma, and Cuba,
>> and North Korea, Sudan, and Zimbabwe. At this conference, I look forward 
>> to
>> meeting other dissidents, including some from Iran and Syria. One of 
>> those
>> dissidents is Mamoun Homsi. In 2001, this man was an independent member 
>> of
>> the Syrian parliament who simply issued a declaration asking the 
>> government
>> to begin respecting human rights. For this entirely peaceful act, he was
>> arrested and sent to jail, where he spent several years beside other
>> innocent advocates for a free Syria.
>>
>> Another dissident I will meet here is Rebiyah Kadeer of China, whose sons
>> have been jailed in what we believe is an act of retaliation for her 
>> human
>> rights activities. The talent of men and women like Rebiyah is the 
>> greatest
>> resource of their nations, far more valuable than the weapons of their 
>> army
>> or their oil under the ground. America calls on every nation that stifles
>> dissent to end its repression, to trust its people, and to grant its
>> citizens the freedom they deserve. (Applause.)
>>
>> There are many dissidents who couldn't join us because they are being
>> unjustly imprisoned or held under house arrest. I look forward to the day
>> when a conference like this one include Alexander Kozulin of Belarus, 
>> Aung
>> San Suu Kyi of Burma, Oscar Elias Biscet of Cuba, Father Nguyen Van Ly of
>> Vietnam, Ayman Nour of Egypt. (Applause.) The daughter of one of these
>> political prisoners is in this room. I would like to say to her, and all 
>> the
>> families: I thank you for your courage. I pray for your comfort and
>> strength. And I call for the immediate and unconditional release of your
>> loved ones. (Applause.)
>>
>> In the eyes of America, the democratic dissidents today are the 
>> democratic
>> leaders of tomorrow. So we're taking new steps to strengthen our support. 
>> We
>> recently created a Human Rights Defenders Fund, which provides grants for
>> the legal defense and medical expenses of activists arrested or beaten by
>> repressive governments. I strongly support the Prague Document that your
>> conference plans to issue, which states that "the protection of human 
>> rights
>> is critical to international peace and security." And in keeping with the
>> goals of that declaration, I have asked Secretary Rice to send a 
>> directive
>> to every U.S. ambassador in an un-free nation: Seek out and meet with
>> activists for democracy. Seek out those who demand human rights. 
>> (Applause.)
>>
>> People living in tyranny need to know they are not forgotten. North 
>> Koreans
>> live in a closed society where dissent is brutally suppressed, and they 
>> are
>> cut off from their brothers and sisters to the south. The Iranians are a
>> great people who deserve to chart their own future, but they are denied
>> their liberty by a handful of extremists whose pursuit of nuclear weapons
>> prevents their country from taking its rightful place amongst the 
>> thriving.
>> The Cubans are desperate for freedom - and as that nation enters a period 
>> of
>> transition, we must insist on free elections and free speech and free
>> assembly. (Applause.) And in Sudan, freedom is denied and basic human 
>> rights
>> are violated by a government that pursues genocide against its own 
>> citizens.
>> My message to all those who suffer under tyranny is this: We will never
>> excuse your oppressors. We will always stand for your freedom. 
>> (Applause.)
>>
>> Freedom is also under assault in countries that have shown some progress. 
>> In
>> Venezuela, elected leaders have resorted to shallow populism to dismantle
>> democratic institutions and tighten their grip on power. The government 
>> of
>> Uzbekistan continues to silence independent voices by jailing human 
>> rights
>> activists. And Vietnam recently arrested and imprisoned a number of 
>> peaceful
>> religious and political activists.
>>
>> These developments are discouraging, but there are more reasons for
>> optimism. At the start of the 1980s, there were only 45 democracies on
>> Earth. There are now more than 120 democracies - more people now live in
>> freedom than ever before. And it is the responsibility of those who enjoy
>> the blessings of liberty to help those who are struggling to establish 
>> their
>> free societies. So the United States has nearly doubled funding for
>> democracy projects. We're working with our partners in the G-8 to promote
>> the rise of a vibrant civil society in the Middle East through 
>> initiatives
>> like the Forum for the Future. We're cooperating side-by-side with the 
>> new
>> democracies in Ukraine and Georgia and Kyrgyzstan. We congratulate the
>> people of Yemen on their landmark presidential election, and the people 
>> of
>> Kuwait on elections in which women were able to vote and run for office 
>> for
>> the first time. (Applause.) We stand firmly behind the people of Lebanon 
>> and
>> Afghanistan and Iraq as they defend their democratic gains against 
>> extremist
>> enemies. (Applause.) These people are making tremendous sacrifices for
>> liberty. They deserve the admiration of the free world, and they deserve 
>> our
>> unwavering support. (Applause.)
>>
>> The United States is also using our influence to urge valued partners 
>> like
>> Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to move toward freedom. These nations
>> have taken brave stands and strong action to confront extremists, along 
>> with
>> some steps to expand liberty and transparency. Yet they have a great
>> distance still to travel. The United States will continue to press 
>> nations
>> like these to open up their political systems, and give greater voice to
>> their people. Inevitably, this creates tension. But our relationships 
>> with
>> these countries are broad enough and deep enough to bear it. As our
>> relationships with South Korea and Taiwan during the Cold War prove, 
>> America
>> can maintain a friendship and push a nation toward democracy at the same
>> time. (Applause.)
>>
>> We're also applying that lesson to our relationships with Russia and 
>> China.
>> (Applause.) The United States has strong working relationships with these
>> countries. Our friendship with them is complex. In the areas where we 
>> share
>> mutual interests, we work together. In other areas, we have strong
>> disagreements. China's leaders believe that they can continue to open the
>> nation's economy without opening its political system. We disagree.
>> (Applause.) In Russia, reforms that were once promised to empower 
>> citizens
>> have been derailed, with troubling implications for democratic 
>> development.
>> Part of a good relationship is the ability to talk openly about our
>> disagreements. So the United States will continue to build our 
>> relationships
>> with these countries - and we will do it without abandoning our 
>> principles
>> or our values. (Applause.)
>>
>> We appreciate that free societies take shape at different speeds in
>> different places. One virtue of democracy is that it reflects local 
>> history
>> and traditions. Yet there are fundamental elements that all democracies
>> share - freedom of speech, religion, press, and assembly; rule of law
>> enforced by independent courts; private property rights; and political
>> parties that compete in free and fair elections. (Applause.) These rights
>> and institutions are the foundation of human dignity, and as countries 
>> find
>> their own path to freedom, they must find a loyal partner in the United
>> States of America.
>>
>> Extending the reach of freedom is a mission that unites democracies 
>> around
>> the world. Some of the greatest contributions are coming from nations 
>> with
>> the freshest memories of tyranny. I appreciate the Czech Republic's 
>> support
>> for human rights projects in Belarus and Burma and Cuba. I thank Germany,
>> and Poland, and the Czech Republic, and Hungary, and Slovenia, and 
>> Georgia,
>> Lithuania, Estonia, Croatia for contributing to the new United Nations
>> Democracy Fund. I'm grateful for the commitment many new democracies in
>> Central and Eastern Europe are making to Afghanistan and Iraq. I 
>> appreciate
>> that these countries are willing to do the hard work necessary to enable
>> people who want to be free to live in a free society. (Applause.)
>>
>> In all these ways, the freedom agenda is making a difference. The work 
>> has
>> been difficult, and that is not going to change. There will be triumphs 
>> and
>> failures, progress and setbacks. Ending tyranny cannot be achieved
>> overnight. And of course, this objective has its critics.
>>
>> Some say that ending tyranny means "imposing our values" on people who do
>> not share them, or that people live in parts of the world where freedom
>> cannot take hold. That is refuted by the fact that every time people are
>> given a choice, they choose freedom. We saw that when the people of Latin
>> America turned dictatorships into democracies, and the people of South
>> Africa replaced apartheid with a free society, and the people of 
>> Indonesia
>> ended their long authoritarian rule. We saw it when Ukrainians in orange
>> scarves demanded that their ballots be counted. We saw it when millions 
>> of
>> Afghans and Iraqis defied the terrorists to elect free governments. At a
>> polling station in Baghdad, I was struck by the words of an Iraqi - he 
>> had
>> one leg - and he told a reporter, "I would have crawled here if I had 
>> to."
>> Was democracy - I ask the critics, was democracy imposed on that man? Was
>> freedom a value he did not share? The truth is that the only ones who 
>> have
>> to impose their values are the extremists and the radicals and the 
>> tyrants.
>> (Applause.)
>>
>> And that is why the communists crushed the Prague Spring, and threw an
>> innocent playwright in jail, and trembled at the sight of a Polish Pope.
>> History shows that ultimately, freedom conquers fear. And given a chance,
>> freedom will conquer fear in every nation on Earth. (Applause.)
>>
>> Another objective - objection is that ending tyranny will unleash chaos.
>> Critics point to the violence in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Lebanon as
>> evidence that freedom leaves people less safe. But look who's causing the
>> violence. It's the terrorists, it's the extremists. It is no coincidence
>> that they are targeting young democracies in the Middle East. They know 
>> that
>> the success of free societies there is a mortal threat to their 
>> ambitions -
>> and to their very survival. The fact that our enemies are fighting back 
>> is
>> not a reason to doubt democracy. It is evidence that they recognize
>> democracy's power. It is evidence that we are at war. And it is evidence
>> that free nations must do what it takes to prevail. (Applause.)
>>
>> Still, some argue that a safer goal would be stability, especially in the
>> Middle East. The problem is that pursuing stability at the expense of
>> liberty does not lead to peace - it leads to September the 11th, 2001.
>> (Applause.) The policy of tolerating tyranny is a moral and strategic
>> failure. It is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century.
>>
>> Others fear that democracy will bring dangerous forces to power, such as
>> Hamas in the Palestinian Territories. Elections will not always turn out 
>> the
>> way we hope. Yet democracy consists of more than a single trip to the 
>> ballot
>> box. Democracy requires meaningful opposition parties, a vibrant civil
>> society, a government that enforces the law and responds to the needs of 
>> its
>> people. Elections can accelerate the creation of such institutions. In a
>> democracy, people will not vote for a life of perpetual violence. To stay 
>> in
>> power, elected officials must listen to their people and pursue their
>> desires for peace - or, in democracies, the voters will replace them 
>> through
>> free elections.
>>
>> Finally, there's the contention that ending tyranny is unrealistic. Well,
>> some argue that extending democracy around the world is simply too 
>> difficult
>> to achieve. That's nothing new. We've heard that criticism before 
>> throughout
>> history. At every stage of the Cold War, there were those who argued that
>> the Berlin Wall was permanent, and that people behind the Iron Curtain 
>> would
>> never overcome their oppressors. History has sent a different message.
>>
>> The lesson is that freedom will always have its skeptics. But that's not 
>> the
>> whole story. There are also people like you, and the loved ones you
>> represent - men and women with courage to risk everything for your 
>> ideals.
>> In his first address as President, Vaclav Havel proclaimed, "People, your
>> government has returned to you!" He was echoing the first speech of Tomas
>> Masaryk - who was, in turn, quoting the 17th century Czech teacher 
>> Comenius.
>> His message was that freedom is timeless. It does not belong to one
>> government or one generation. Freedom is the dream and the right of every
>> person in every nation in every age. (Applause.)
>>
>> The United States of America believes deeply in that message. It was the
>> inspiration for our founding, when we declared that "all men are created
>> equal." It was the conviction that led us to help liberate this 
>> continent,
>> and stand with the captive nations through their long struggle. It is the
>> truth that guides our nation to oppose radicals and extremists and terror
>> and tyranny in the world today. And it is the reason I have such great
>> confidence in the men and women in this room.
>>
>> I leave Prague with a certainty that the cause of freedom is not tired, 
>> and
>> that its future is in the best of hands. With unbreakable faith in the 
>> power
>> of liberty, you will inspire your people, you will lead your nations, and
>> you will change the world.
>>
>> Thanks for having me. And may God bless you. (Applause.)
>>
>> END 4:38 P.M. (Local)
>>
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070605-8.htm
>>
>> Notice that Bush mentions "Natan" Sharansky  (his real name is Anatoly,
>> Tolia Sharansky), the communist aparatchik, whose father was a full time
>> Soviet propagandist in Ukraine, during the purges which have killed
>> millions. Sharansky, himself was avowed communist, who invented the
>> "dissident" tale in order to win favour from neocons.
>>
>
> /////////////////////////
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natan_Sharansky
>
> Born Anatoly Borisovich Shcharansky in Donetsk, Ukraine to a Jewish
> family, he graduated with the degree in applied mathematics from
> Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology.
>
> After being denied an exit visa to Israel on the grounds of national
> security in 1973, he worked as an English interpreter for prominent
> physicist and dissident Andrei Sakharov, and also became a human
> rights activist. Sharansky was one of the founders and the spokesman
> of Jewish and the Refusenik movement in Moscow Helsinki Watch Group,
> also known as Yuri Orlov's group.
>
> In March 1977 he was arrested and in July 1978 convicted on charges of
> treason and spying for the United States and sentenced to 13 years of
> forced labor. After 16 months of incarceration in Lefortovo prison he
> was sent to a Siberian labor camp Perm 35 where he served for nine
> years.
> ///////////////////////////////////
You know very well who was sellected to study at the Moscow University or 
Institute of Technology! It took a great pull to get your son or daughter to 
cross that hallowed doorstep, unless they were janitors.

So far as his incarceration is concerned. Even though he claims to have been 
jailed in Lefortovo, nobody has ever seen him there. And few months he spent 
in a small house in Siberia he was accompanied by his Jewish wife. I saw 
photos of yhe poor thing carrying a bucket of water for Tolia to wash 
himself!

His father was a criminal, Goebbels of Ukraine! 




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 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/BushPrague/ 




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On Jun 5, 8:24 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
> > "Tilly"  wrote in message
> >news:f42auj$i9n$2@aioe.org...
> > > ElParedon wrote:
> > > >  In USA 260 women and  children are murdered, raped, or both every
> > > > single day by the members of their own families. The figures are
> > > > higher now, refer to my post on the subject of crime in USA.
>
> > > Are you really so idiotic that you you can't work out that the huge
> > > number of crimes committed in Gaza far excede those committed in
> > > the USA-per capita
> > > of population. There is rampant crime in Gaza - kidnappings, rapes
> > > , armed robberies, severe beatings, hionour killings etc....are all
> > > on a rapid upwards curve and that is out of the mouth of Gazans.
>
> > FUCKING STUPID IDIOT! I WAS MUCH SAFER IN GAZA THEN ON THE STREETS OF
> > MIAMI!
>
> Not any more . People are scared to leave their houses.

SCARED OF JEWS, PROBABLY!
>
> --
> femail1...@NOSPAM.gmail.com




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On Jun 6, 1:00 am, Al Nakba  wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:36 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> > "Tilly"  wrote in messagenews:f42auj$i9n$2@aioe.org...
> > > ElParedon wrote:
> > >>  In USA 260 women and  children are murdered, raped, or both every
> > >> single day by the members of their own families. The figures are
> > >> higher now, refer to my post on the subject of crime in USA.
>
> > > Are you really so idiotic that you you can't work out that the huge number
> > > of crimes committed in Gaza far excede those committed in the USA-per
> > > capita
> > > of population. There is rampant crime in Gaza - kidnappings, rapes , armed
> > > robberies, severe beatings, hionour killings etc....are all on a rapid
> > > upwards curve and that is out of the mouth of Gazans.
>
> > FUCKING STUPID IDIOT! I WAS MUCH SAFER IN GAZA THEN ON THE STREETS OF MIAMI!
>

IN FACT STREETS OF ANY ARAB COUNTRY ARE SAFER THAN ANY CITY IN USA



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"torresdD"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3409313,00.html
What else is new? The Jew savages have to leave the land of Palestine! 




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"dsharavi@gmail.com"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 6, 1:14 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
>> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3409313,00.html
>
> " Conflicting stories emerge after IDF kills 70-year-old
> Palestinians say troops in Hebron shot man dead in his home during
> search; IDF says soldier forced to respond when group of Palestinians
> tried to take his weapon by force."

I can see the 70 year old grappling for a weapon with a kike!
>
> Operative phrase: Palestinians SAY.
Palestinians say the truth.
>
> Palestinians saying anything is tantamount to Adolf Eichmann saying
> "I'm no anti-Semite."
Ask Kastner if Eichman was an anti semite or not. He was not!
>
> Deborah
>
> 




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"Jedi"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 5, 8:27 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> HOW THE GREAT AMERICAN MYTH HAS BEEN EXPOSED AT LAST
>> 3 comments
>> In a strange way, George Bush has been instrumental, though his plethora 
>> of
>> lies to his people and to the world at large, in dismembering the Great
>> American Myth.
>>
>> I should say "Myths",because there are many false aspects involved.
>>
>> There was a time in our history when we really DID stand for something. 
>> We
>> had noble intent at any rate. Our citizens 100 years ago had a much 
>> broader
>> vocabulary and were more inventive and industrious. We had foreign 
>> policies
>> which often involved serious and honest aid to impoverished nations and 
>> an
>> economic system which truly did give the poor a stong chance to "lift
>> themselves up by their bootstraps"
>>
>> All that is gone now, and the myth may not even be perpetuated for much
>> longer.
>>
>> The myth of America is complex but easy to describe. It has many facets 
>> and
>> layers. George Bush has used the myth to his advantage in campaigning and
>> there can be no doubt that the gross exaggerations about our nation's
>> "qualities" got him elected and reelected (with a little help from the
>> voting machine crowd, of course!).
>>
>> America is said to have the finest health care system, but we now know 
>> we're
>> at the bottom of the list internationally among industrialized nations. 
>> We
>> are the only ones who still execute prisoners, despite the endless claims 
>> of
>> a superior Justice system.
>>
>> We claim safe streets and low crime while simultaniously incarcerating 
>> more
>> prisoners per capita than any other country. We claim high educational
>> values despite rating VERY poorly across the entire schoolin spectrum.
>>
>> Bush loves to brag about American generosity, but we give less per capita
>> than many European countries. We often state that we're sending financial
>> aid for serious calamities overseas but the allocation of funds never
>> materializes. We also claim that we're not "empirialists", but we have 
>> 730
>> bases in 125 countries and many are nuclear armed! We literally BUY our 
>> way
>> into other countries, claiming to be guarding them from danger but 
>> actually
>> acting as a bulwark against a dubious claim of "possible attack" from
>> Russia, China or "terrorists".
>>
>> Our most famous bragging point, no longer remotely valid, is that America 
>> is
>> the land of opportunity where anyone can make it..in fact ANYONE CAN 
>> BECOME
>> PRESIDENT (the largest myth!) The only truth about opportunity seems to 
>> be
>> that various drifters, grifters, conmen, drug dealers and gangs can and 
>> do
>> seek out a way into our nation to ply their nefarious trades. They really
>> CAN get rich in our land of plenty. Add to these clowns the enormous 
>> numbers
>> of foreign corporations who come here to purchase our infrastructure, our
>> manufacturing plants, raw land and even National Parks!
>>
>> And lastly, the grossest prevarication is that American Democracy is the
>> noblest experiment ever launched...and that we're somehow more "free" 
>> than,
>> say those citizens of Norway, Belgium, Japan or Australia. Just how this 
>> is
>> so is unclear. But George Bush isn't deterred by that logic. He manages 
>> to
>> pump up the illusions and the partriotism and the pride which swells in 
>> the
>> breasts of many Americans with endless speeches, and even sheds a few 
>> tears
>> occasionally to drive the points home.
>>
>> The rest of the world ain't buying it. The myth in small letters has 
>> become
>> the MYTH writ large. We all love fairy tales, but now that's all they
>> are...and the rest of the world isn't going to let us forget it.
>>
>> Maybe some day, when our plague is dissipated...when George is a distant
>> unpleasant memory...America can drop the myth and make the claims reality
>> once again.
>>
>> Maybe. It's worth a try.
>>
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>> end
>
>
>
> EIParedon's subjective and transitory circular arguments that mistake
> the part for the whole. Human rights, intellectual freedom and free
> enterprize are the main reasons why America is great.

Used to be that way my friend. Nowdays they have imprisoned people simply 
for being. Professor of electrical engineering has been sitting in jail for 
four years without conviction or even evidence of any kind simply because he 
is a muslim. So much for freedom
> 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/BushPrague/
>
> What really happened is your muslim friends tried to fuck up America 
> again....

JEWS ARE FUCKING AMERICA ALL THE TIME, AND YOU ASK FOR MORE 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 5, 10:19 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon delivered at a Khartoum 
>> mosque
>> by Sheik Muhammad Tannoun, which aired on Sudan TV on May 25, 2007:
>>
>> Sheik Muhammad Tannoun: In 1948, Palestine was lost - that blessed land, 
>> the
>> land of the Muslims. Its inhabitants were dispersed and killed. By whom? 
>> By
>> the most despicable creatures on the face of the earth - the offspring of
>> apes and pigs.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> So far, nobody has made an effort to study why Muslim lands in different
>> places were lost. We always blame the Jews and Christians for this 
>> failure
>> and neglect. We say these are conspiracies. Some people say: "We do not
>> believe in conspiracy theories." These are facts, not theories. [We 
>> witness]
>> conspiracies and deception say and night.
>>
>> http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1471
>
> Clearly the defeat of the dune monkeys was the will of "Allah"!

DEFEAT? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!
> 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 6, 12:04 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> Imprisoning a Whole Nation
>> Israel is being allowed to destroy the very notion of a state of 
>> Palestine
>> and is imprisoning an entire nation. That is clear from the latest 
>> attacks
>> on Gaza, whose suffering has become a metaphor for the tragedy imposed on
>> the peoples of the Middle East and beyond. These attacks, reported on
>> Britain's Channel 4 News, were "targeting key militants of Hamas" and the
>> "Hamas infrastructure." The BBC described a "clash" between the same
>> militants and Israeli F-16 aircraft.
>> Consider one such clash. The militants' car was blown to pieces by a 
>> missile
>> from a fighter-bomber. Who were these militants? In my experience, all 
>> the
>> people of Gaza are militant in their resistance to their jailer and
>> tormentor. As for the "Hamas infrastructure," this was the headquarters 
>> of
>> the party that won last year's democratic elections in Palestine. To 
>> report
>> that would give the wrong impression. It would suggest that the people in
>> the car and all the others over the years, the babies and the elderly who
>> have also "clashed" with fighter-bombers, were victims of a monstrous
>> injustice. It would suggest the truth.
>
> The dune monkeys wanted trouble; they got some. allahu fubar!

The party is not over, until the fat lady sings! Allahu Akbar!
> 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1181107778.435449.133000@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> YEP, REMEMBERING EXECUTION OF THOUSANDS OF EGYPTIAN PRISONERS OF WAR
>> BY THE LONG NOSED JEWISH SAVAGES<
>
> Nasser and all the Arab leaders were promising to EXTERMINATE Israel.

Do not rush to your day of Judgment. American fundies have even better plans 
for you bastards! 




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"sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
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> DoD wrote:
>> The 40th anniversary of the Six Day War on the Western calendar's is 
>> today, June 5, marking the conflict in which Israel defeated the combined 
>> Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptian armies (and other Arab/Moslem countries 
>> who sent troops) who had all amassed to finally destroy and "drive Israel 
>> to the sea." Retrospectives on the war are popping up in the media. 
>> (Israel, which follows the lunar Jewish calendar, ceremoniously 
>> remembered its dead and held other commemorations relating to that war 
>> about three weeks ago which was the Jewish date.)
>>
>> Most of these are dirges blaming Israel for winning; faulting Israel, and 
>> Israel alone, for the continuing hostilities and still not being as 
>> palsy-walsy with the Arabs as oh, say France and Germany 40 years after 
>> their last major war.  These sentiments are typical of the many so called 
>> 40 years analyses; more of the same are sure to come.
>>
>> For Palestinians, the upcoming 40th anniversary of the Six-Day War 
>> represents 40 years of freedom denied. For Israelis, it is a reminder 
>> that security and regional acceptance remain elusive after nearly six 
>> decades of statehood.
>> and
>>
>> While euphoric Israelis dreamed of leveraging their historic victory to 
>> ensure their security and perhaps craft an elusive peace, it instead led 
>> to a grinding occupation that today divides them and challenges their 
>> sense of who they are as a nation.
>> Yep, all Israel's fault; the Arab countries are/were just so peaceful but 
>> Israel fought them anyway; the Arabs/Moslems are completely guiltless, 
>> their hatred against Jews and Israel natural and understandable.  Blaming 
>> the Jews fills a too long historical and psychological need; mourning 
>> Jews, once they are safely dead as after World War ll, is fine; Jews who 
>> refuse to co-operate in their death, who fight back and somehow, gasp 
>> (!), against all odds, survive, upsets the natural order. Therefore they 
>> must be condemned. Why this is so is beyond me; greater minds than mine 
>> have tried--and failed--to answer this puzzle.
>>
>> This same attitude prevailed 40 years ago when, after Israel's miraculous 
>> success, Europe fumed and the UN castigated Israel.  Talk about deja vu 
>> all over again now.  Indeed, by July of 1967, a satirical Hebrew song, 
>> "Excuse us for winning"  was popular in Israel, reflecting their 
>> amazement--and bitterness--at the world's negative reaction to their 
>> amazing triumph.
>>
>> Countering the deceptive history, Charles Krauthammer recalls the 1967 
>> situation and, as usual, places it in proper perspective.
>>
>> On May 16, 1967, Egyptian President Gamal Nasser ordered the evacuation 
>> from the Sinai Peninsula of the U.N. buffer force that had kept Israel 
>> and Egypt at peace for 10 years. The United Nations complied, at which 
>> point Nasser imposed a naval blockade of Israel's only outlet to the 
>> south, the port of Eilat -- an open act of war.
>>
>> How Egypt came to this reckless provocation is a complicated tale 
>> (chronicled in Michael Oren's magisterial "Six Days of War") of 
>> aggressive intent compounded with miscommunication and, most fatefully, 
>> disinformation. The Soviet Union had reported urgently and falsely to its 
>> Middle East clients, Syria and Egypt, that Israel was massing troops on 
>> the Syrian border for an attack. Israel desperately tried to disprove 
>> this charge by three times inviting the Soviet ambassador in Israel to 
>> visit the front. He refused. The Soviet warnings led to a cascade of 
>> intra-Arab maneuvers that in turn led Nasser, the champion of 
>> pan-Arabism, to mortally confront Israel with a remilitarized Sinai and a 
>> southern blockade.
>>
>> Why is this still important? Because that three-week period between May 
>> 16 and June 5 helps explain Israel's 40-year reluctance to give up the 
>> fruits of that war -- the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West 
>> Bank and Gaza -- in return for paper guarantees of peace. Israel had 
>> similar guarantees from the 1956 Suez war, after which it evacuated the 
>> Sinai in return for that U.N. buffer force and for assurances from the 
>> Western powers of free passage through the Straits of Tiran.
>>
>> All this disappeared with a wave of Nasser's hand. During those three 
>> interminable weeks, President Lyndon Johnson did try to rustle up an 
>> armada of countries to run the blockade and open Israel's south. The 
>> effort failed dismally.
>>
>> It is hard to exaggerate what it was like for Israel in those three 
>> weeks. Egypt, already in an alliance with Syria, formed an emergency 
>> military pact with Jordan. Iraq, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, 
>> Libya and Morocco began sending forces to join the coming fight. With 
>> troops and armor massing on Israel's every frontier, jubilant broadcasts 
>> in every Arab capital hailed the imminent final war for the extermination 
>> of Israel. "We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants," declared PLO 
>> head Ahmed Shuqayri, "and as for the survivors -- if there are any -- the 
>> boats are ready to deport them."
>>
>> For Israel, the waiting was excruciating and debilitating. Israel's 
>> citizen army had to be mobilized. As its soldiers waited on the various 
>> fronts for the world to rescue the nation from its peril, Israeli society 
>> ground to a halt and its economy began bleeding to death. Army Chief of 
>> Staff Yitzhak Rabin, later to be hailed as a war hero and even later as a 
>> martyred man of peace, had a nervous breakdown. He was incapacitated to 
>> the point of incoherence by the unbearable tension of waiting with the 
>> life of his country in the balance, knowing that waiting too long would 
>> allow the armies of 100 million Arabs to strike first his country of 3 
>> million. (Italics added. ECF)
>> Got that?  Three large countries with a combined population of 100 
>> million surrounding Israel, a country tinier than New Jersey, which then 
>> had a mere 3 million population.  And Israel had the gall not to fail but 
>> to survive!
>>
>> Gearing for the inevitable other distorted retrospectives about the Six 
>> Day War that are sure to flood in, here, here, here, here, here, and here 
>> are some good, factual sites about that time and its aftermath.   Not, 
>> sadly, that facts can overcome the visceral hatred of Jews, of Israel or 
>> of America poisoning so many of course.
>>
>> And for sheer uplifting emotion listen to the broadcast in Hebrew, and/or 
>> follow the English translation of the Israeli liberation of Jerusalem, 
>> paving the way for the first time in thousands of years that the 
>> religious rights and sites of all religions were respected by the 
>> government and accessible to all.
>>
>> And, when there is the usual mindless prattle that for peace Israel 
>> should return to the June, 1967 borders, remember what  Golda Meir, of 
>> blessed memory, emphatically stated, " We had those borders in June, 
>> 1967.  We were there in June, 1967."  But still they attacked.
>>
>> Thomas Lifson adds:
>>
>> Bookworm Room has a must-read post  on the Six Day War in Real Time.
>> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/israel_fought_for_its_life_40.html
>    Who writes this stuff for you ?
>    S.
He has a trained monkey do it for him! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "sabbatai zevi"  wrote in message 
> news:136ci3unhgtv3c5@corp.supernews.com...
>> DoD wrote:
>>> The 40th anniversary of the Six Day War on the Western calendar's is 
>>> today, June 5, marking the conflict in which Israel defeated the 
>>> combined Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptian armies (and other Arab/Moslem 
>>> countries who sent troops) who had all amassed to finally destroy and 
>>> "drive Israel to the sea." Retrospectives on the war are popping up in 
>>> the media. (Israel, which follows the lunar Jewish calendar, 
>>> ceremoniously remembered its dead and held other commemorations relating 
>>> to that war about three weeks ago which was the Jewish date.)
>>>
>>> Most of these are dirges blaming Israel for winning; faulting Israel, 
>>> and Israel alone, for the continuing hostilities and still not being as 
>>> palsy-walsy with the Arabs as oh, say France and Germany 40 years after 
>>> their last major war.  These sentiments are typical of the many so 
>>> called 40 years analyses; more of the same are sure to come.
>>>
>>> For Palestinians, the upcoming 40th anniversary of the Six-Day War 
>>> represents 40 years of freedom denied. For Israelis, it is a reminder 
>>> that security and regional acceptance remain elusive after nearly six 
>>> decades of statehood.
>>> and
>>>
>>> While euphoric Israelis dreamed of leveraging their historic victory to 
>>> ensure their security and perhaps craft an elusive peace, it instead led 
>>> to a grinding occupation that today divides them and challenges their 
>>> sense of who they are as a nation.
>>> Yep, all Israel's fault; the Arab countries are/were just so peaceful 
>>> but Israel fought them anyway; the Arabs/Moslems are completely 
>>> guiltless, their hatred against Jews and Israel natural and 
>>> understandable.  Blaming the Jews fills a too long historical and 
>>> psychological need; mourning Jews, once they are safely dead as after 
>>> World War ll, is fine; Jews who refuse to co-operate in their death, who 
>>> fight back and somehow, gasp (!), against all odds, survive, upsets the 
>>> natural order. Therefore they must be condemned. Why this is so is 
>>> beyond me; greater minds than mine have tried--and failed--to answer 
>>> this puzzle.
>>>
>>> This same attitude prevailed 40 years ago when, after Israel's 
>>> miraculous success, Europe fumed and the UN castigated Israel.  Talk 
>>> about deja vu all over again now.  Indeed, by July of 1967, a satirical 
>>> Hebrew song, "Excuse us for winning"  was popular in Israel, reflecting 
>>> their amazement--and bitterness--at the world's negative reaction to 
>>> their amazing triumph.
>>>
>>> Countering the deceptive history, Charles Krauthammer recalls the 1967 
>>> situation and, as usual, places it in proper perspective.
>>>
>>> On May 16, 1967, Egyptian President Gamal Nasser ordered the evacuation 
>>> from the Sinai Peninsula of the U.N. buffer force that had kept Israel 
>>> and Egypt at peace for 10 years. The United Nations complied, at which 
>>> point Nasser imposed a naval blockade of Israel's only outlet to the 
>>> south, the port of Eilat -- an open act of war.
>>>
>>> How Egypt came to this reckless provocation is a complicated tale 
>>> (chronicled in Michael Oren's magisterial "Six Days of War") of 
>>> aggressive intent compounded with miscommunication and, most fatefully, 
>>> disinformation. The Soviet Union had reported urgently and falsely to 
>>> its Middle East clients, Syria and Egypt, that Israel was massing troops 
>>> on the Syrian border for an attack. Israel desperately tried to disprove 
>>> this charge by three times inviting the Soviet ambassador in Israel to 
>>> visit the front. He refused. The Soviet warnings led to a cascade of 
>>> intra-Arab maneuvers that in turn led Nasser, the champion of 
>>> pan-Arabism, to mortally confront Israel with a remilitarized Sinai and 
>>> a southern blockade.
>>>
>>> Why is this still important? Because that three-week period between May 
>>> 16 and June 5 helps explain Israel's 40-year reluctance to give up the 
>>> fruits of that war -- the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West 
>>> Bank and Gaza -- in return for paper guarantees of peace. Israel had 
>>> similar guarantees from the 1956 Suez war, after which it evacuated the 
>>> Sinai in return for that U.N. buffer force and for assurances from the 
>>> Western powers of free passage through the Straits of Tiran.
>>>
>>> All this disappeared with a wave of Nasser's hand. During those three 
>>> interminable weeks, President Lyndon Johnson did try to rustle up an 
>>> armada of countries to run the blockade and open Israel's south. The 
>>> effort failed dismally.
>>>
>>> It is hard to exaggerate what it was like for Israel in those three 
>>> weeks. Egypt, already in an alliance with Syria, formed an emergency 
>>> military pact with Jordan. Iraq, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, 
>>> Libya and Morocco began sending forces to join the coming fight. With 
>>> troops and armor massing on Israel's every frontier, jubilant broadcasts 
>>> in every Arab capital hailed the imminent final war for the 
>>> extermination of Israel. "We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants," 
>>> declared PLO head Ahmed Shuqayri, "and as for the survivors -- if there 
>>> are any -- the boats are ready to deport them."
>>>
>>> For Israel, the waiting was excruciating and debilitating. Israel's 
>>> citizen army had to be mobilized. As its soldiers waited on the various 
>>> fronts for the world to rescue the nation from its peril, Israeli 
>>> society ground to a halt and its economy began bleeding to death. Army 
>>> Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin, later to be hailed as a war hero and even 
>>> later as a martyred man of peace, had a nervous breakdown. He was 
>>> incapacitated to the point of incoherence by the unbearable tension of 
>>> waiting with the life of his country in the balance, knowing that 
>>> waiting too long would allow the armies of 100 million Arabs to strike 
>>> first his country of 3 million. (Italics added. ECF)
>>> Got that?  Three large countries with a combined population of 100 
>>> million surrounding Israel, a country tinier than New Jersey, which then 
>>> had a mere 3 million population.  And Israel had the gall not to fail 
>>> but to survive!
>>>
>>> Gearing for the inevitable other distorted retrospectives about the Six 
>>> Day War that are sure to flood in, here, here, here, here, here, and 
>>> here are some good, factual sites about that time and its aftermath. 
>>> Not, sadly, that facts can overcome the visceral hatred of Jews, of 
>>> Israel or of America poisoning so many of course.
>>>
>>> And for sheer uplifting emotion listen to the broadcast in Hebrew, 
>>> and/or follow the English translation of the Israeli liberation of 
>>> Jerusalem, paving the way for the first time in thousands of years that 
>>> the religious rights and sites of all religions were respected by the 
>>> government and accessible to all.
>>>
>>> And, when there is the usual mindless prattle that for peace Israel 
>>> should return to the June, 1967 borders, remember what  Golda Meir, of 
>>> blessed memory, emphatically stated, " We had those borders in June, 
>>> 1967.  We were there in June, 1967."  But still they attacked.
>>>
>>> Thomas Lifson adds:
>>>
>>> Bookworm Room has a must-read post  on the Six Day War in Real Time.
>>> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/israel_fought_for_its_life_40.html
>>    Who writes this stuff for you ?
>
> Your mother, while she is sucking my dick...
>
> HTH...
See what I mean! The guy has no culture, civility or brain. You ask him a 
civilized question he goes for rudness 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "DoD"  wrote in message
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>> Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon delivered at a Khartoum 
>> mosque
>> by Sheik Muhammad Tannoun, which aired on Sudan TV on May 25, 2007:
>>
>>
>> Sheik Muhammad Tannoun: In 1948, Palestine was lost -<
>
> Won, at least in part, by its rightful people, the Jewish nation.
"Nation"??? 




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http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/130513 




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KY's Senior Senator Mitch McConnell said during a speech on the floor of the 
U.S. Senate
"Domestic terrorism is not a cause we have to fight or a project we need to 
fund. We are not interested in capturing bin Laden. Even though he has been 
offered to us. We are not the world's policemen. It's not our job to clean 
up other countries messes or arrest it's bad guys."



VERBATIM QUOTES FROM WHEN CLINTON WAS COMMITTING TROOPS TO BOSNIA:

"You can support the troops but not the president."--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going 
to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come 
home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their 
life?"--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a 
foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has 
yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not 
informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from 
home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."--Sen. Rick 
Santorum (R-PA)"

American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the 
administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign 
policy."--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a 
clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't 
think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is 
often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning 
that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague 
objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions 
are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is 
no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no 
contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There 
is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation 
defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic 
plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no 
plan today"--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to 
explain to us what the exit strategy is."-- Governor George W. Bush (R)-TX






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BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CONFIRM THE JEW LIES!

Survivors oppose the transfer of Holocaust archive to D.C.
Nonetheless, museum officials said they will not permit archival access via
the open Internet or via terminals at libraries and universities around the
country, the way other databases of documents are commonly accessed. Museum
officials declined to explain their motives for restricting access.

One can safely assume that if these records supported the orthodox account
they would be made available, even mandatory, online.
But early reports of the contents of these archives are that they contradict
the conventional story of WW2 Germany's slave-labor camps and confirm that
Jews were not the sole targets of the Germans, and that the vast majority of
camp deaths were from epidemics, not deliberate executions.





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Al Sennnara on Feb. 24, 1998, Violence Begets Violence in Israel
Households

Nazareth The latest information from Local Authorities related the
phenomenon of violence against women [in the Israeli society] reveals
that one in five women in the country are exposed to violence by a
husband or a family member. This information is different from the
previous figures which stated that only 150,000 women are battered or
exposed to beating in the country [Israel.]

Shmuel Avoav from the Education Committee of the [Israeli] Local
Authorities who revealed this information said that thousands of women
and girls in the country who are physically abused by husbands or
relatives do not press complaints because of fear from husbands /
relatives or because of care for the welfare of their children/
family, or for other reasons.

Avoav invoked battered women and woman victims of domestic violence to
submit complaints against their abusers because the complaint will be
a deterrence in many cases......





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May  Saturday 26  2007 (23h35) :
Who's Behind the Fighting in North Lebanon?

"...Given Bush administration debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan and its 
encouragement for Israel to continue its destruction of Lebanon this past 
summer, the situation in Lebanon mirrors, in some respects, the early 1980's 
when groups sprung up to resist the US green lighted Israeli invasion and 
occupation. But rather than being Shia and pro-Hezbollah, today's groups are 
largely Sunni and anti-Hezbollah. Hence they qualify for US aid, funneled by 
Sunni financial backers in league with the Bush administration which is 
committed to funding Islamist Sunni groups to weaken Hezbollah.

This project has become the White House obsession following Israel's July 
2006 defeat.

To understand what is going on with Fatah al-Islam at Nahr el-Bared one 
would want a brief introduction to Lebanon's amazing, but shadowy 'Welch 
Club'.

The Club is named for its godfather, David Welch, assistant to Secretary of 
State Rice who is the point man for the Bush administration and is guided by 
Eliot Abrams. Key Lebanese members of the Welch Club (aka: the 'Club') 
include:

The Lebanese civil war veteran, warlord, feudalist and mercurial Walid 
Jumblatt of the Druze party( the Progressive Socialist Party or PSP)

Another civil war veteran, warlord, terrorist (Served 11 years in prison for 
massacres committed against fellow Christians among others) Samir Geagea. 
Leader of the extremist Phalange party and its Lebanese Forces (LF) the 
group that conducted the Israel organized massacre at Sabra-Shatilla 
(although led by Elie Hobeika, once Geagea's mentor, Geagea did not take 
part in the Sept. 1982 slaughter of 1,700 Palestinian and Lebanese).

The billionaire, Saudi Sheikh and Club president Saad Hariri leader of the 
Sunni Future Movement (FM).

Over a year ago Hariri's Future Movement started setting up Sunni Islamist 
terrorist cells (the PSP and LF already had their own militia since the 
civil war and despite the Taif Accords requiring militia to disarm they are 
now rearmed and itching for action and trying hard to provoke Hezbollah).

The FM created Sunni Islamist 'terrorist' cells were to serve as a cover for 
(anti-Hezbollah) Welch Club projects. The plan was that actions of these 
cells, of which Fatah el-Islam is one, could be blamed on al Qaeda or Syria 
or anyone but the Club.

To staff the new militias, FM rounded up remnants of previous extremists in 
the Palestinian Refugee camps that had been subdued, marginalized and 
diminished during the Syrian occupation of Lebanon. Each fighter got $700 
per month, not bad in today's Lebanon.

The first Welch Club funded militia, set up by FM, is known locally as 
Jund-al-Sham (Soldiers of Sham, where "Sham" in Arabic denotes Syria, 
Lebanon, Palestine & Jordan) created in Ain-el-Hilwa Palestinian refugee 
camp near Sidon. This group is also referred to in the Camps as Jund-el-Sitt 
(Soldiers of the Sitt, where "Sitt" in Sidon, Ain-el-Hilwa and the outskirts 
pertain to Bahia Hariri, the sister of Rafiq Hariri, aunt of Saad, and 
Member of Parliament).

The second was Fateh-al-Islam (The name cleverly put together, joining Fateh 
as in Palestinian and the word Islam as in Qaeda). FM set this Club cell up 
in Nahr-al-Bared refugee camp north of Tripoli for geographical balance.

Fatah el-Islam had about 400 well paid fighters until three days ago. Today 
they may have more or fewer plus volunteers. The leaders were provided with 
ocean view luxury apartments in Tripoli where they stored arms and chilled 
when not in Nahr-al-Bared. Guess who owns the apartments?

According to members of both Fatah el-Islam and Jund-al-Sham their groups 
acted on the directive of the Club president, Saad Hariri. So what went 
wrong? "Why the bank robbery" and the slaughter at Nahr el-Baled?

According to operatives of Fatah el-Islam, the Bush administration got cold 
feet with people like Seymour Hirsh snooping around and with the White House 
post-Iraq discipline in free fall. Moreover, Hezbollah intelligence knew all 
about the Clubs activities and was in a position to flip the two groups who 
were supposed to ignite a Sunni ≠Shia civil war which Hezbollah vows to 
prevent.

Things started to go very wrong quickly for the Club last week. FM "stopped" 
the payroll of Fateh el-Islam's account at the Hariri family owned back.

Fateh-al-Islam, tried to negotiate at least 'severance pay' with no luck and 
they felt betrayed. (Remember many of their fighters are easily frustrated 
teenagers and their pay supports their families). Militia members knocked 
off the bank which issued their worthless checks. They were doubly angry 
when they learned FM is claiming in the media a loss much greater than they 
actually snatched and that the Club is going to stiff the insurance company 
and actually make a huge profit.

Lebanon's Internal Security Forces (newly recruited to serve the bidding of 
the Club and the Future Movement) assaulted the apartments of Fatah-al-Islam 
Tripoli. They didn't have much luck and were forced to call in the Lebanese 
army.

Within the hour, Fatah-al-Islam retaliated against Lebanese Army posts, 
checkpoints and unarmed, off-duty Lebanese soldiers in civilian clothing and 
committed outrageous killings including severing at four heads.

Up to this point Fatah-al-Islam did not retaliate against the Internal 
Security forces in Tripoli because the ISF is pro-Hariri and some are 
friends and Fatah al-Islam still hoped to get paid by Hariri. Instead Fatah 
al Islam went after the Army.

The Seniora cabinet convenes and asks the Lebanese Army to enter the refugee 
camp and silence (in more ways than one) Fatah-al-Islam. Since entrance into 
the Camps is forbidden by the 1969 Arab league agreement, the Army refuses 
after realizing the extent of the conspiracy against it by the Welch Club. 
The army knows that entering a refugee camp in force will open a front 
against the Army in all twelve Palestinian refugee camps and tear the army 
apart along sectarian cracks.

The army feels set up by the Club's Internal Security Forces which did not 
coordinate with the Lebanese Army, as required by Lebanese law and did not 
even make them aware of the "inter family operation" the ISF carried out 
against Fatah-al-Islam safe houses in Tripoli.

Today, tensions are high between the Lebanese army and the Welch Club. Some 
mention the phrase 'army coup'.

The Club is trying to run Parliament and is prepared to go all the way not 
to 'lose' Lebanon. It still holds 70 seats in the house of parliament while 
the Hezbollah led opposition holds 58 seats. It has a dutiful PM in Fouad 
Siniora.

The club tried to seize control of the presidency and when it failed it 
marginalized it. Last year it tried to control of the Parliamentary 
Constitutional Committee, which audits the government's policies, laws and 
watch dogs their actions. When the Club failed to control it they simply 
abolished the Constitutional Committee. This key committee no longer exists 
in Lebanon's government.

The Welch Club's major error was when it attempted to influence the Lebanese 
Army into disarming the Lebanese Resistance led by Hezbollah. When the Army 
wisely refused, the Club coordinated with the Bush Administration to 
pressure Israel to dramatically intensify its retaliation to the capture of 
the two soldiers by Hezbollah and 'break the rules' regarding the 
historically more limited response and try to destroy Hezbollah during the 
July 2006 war.

The Welch Club now considers the Lebanese Army a serious problem. The Bush 
administration is trying to undermine and marginalize it to eliminate one of 
the last two obstacles to implementing Israel's agenda in Lebanon. If the 
army is weakened, it can not protect _over 70% of the Christians in Lebanon 
who support General Aoun's Free Patriotic Movement. The F.P.M. is mainly 
constituted of well educated, middle class and unarmed Lebanese civilians. 
The only protection they have is the Lebanese Army which aids in maintaining 
their presence in the political scene. The other type of Christians in 
Lebanon is the minority, about 15% of Christians associated with Geagea's 
Lebanese Forces who are purely militia. If the Club can weaken the Army even 
more than it is, then this Phalange minority will be the only relatively 
strong force on the Christian scene and become the "army" of the Club.

Another reason the Club wants to weaken the Lebanese Army is that the Army 
is nationalistic and is a safety valve for Lebanon to ensure the Palestinian 
right of return to Palestine, Lebanese nationhood and the resistance culture 
led by Hezbollah, with which is has excellent relations.

For their part, the Welch Club wants to keep some Palestinians in Lebanon 
for cheap labor, ship others to countries willing to take them (and be paid 
handsomely to do so by American taxpayers) and allow at most a few thousand 
to return to Palestine to settle the 'right of return' issue while at the 
same time signing a May 17th 1983 type treaty with Israel with enriches the 
Club members and gives Israel Lebanon's water and much of Lebanon's 
sovereignty.

Long story short, Fatah el-Islam must be silenced at all costs. Their tale, 
if told, is poison for the Club and its sponsors. We will likely see their 
attempted destruction in the coming days.

Hezbollah is watching and supporting the Lebanese army."

Sorce: "Who's Behind the Fighting in North Lebanon? Inside Narh al-Bared and 
Bedawi Refugee Camps" By Franklin Lamb Tripoli, Lebanon. 05/24/07 
"Counterpunch"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17763.htm





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 Fred Attewill
Tuesday May 22, 2007
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Two anti-war campaigners who broke into an airbase to sabotage US bombers at 
the outbreak of the Iraq war have been cleared of all charges.

Protesters Toby Olditch, 38, and Philip Pritchard, 36, used bolt cutters to 
enter RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire. They had intended to clog the planes' 
engines with nuts and bolts when they were arrested by Ministry of Defence 
police.

The men pleaded not guilty at Bristol crown court to conspiring to cause 
criminal damage, claiming the B52s would have been used to commit war crimes 
in Iraq.

Speaking outside court, Mr Pritchard said: "I am delighted. It is a great 
relief - and a huge vote of confidence for anti-war protesters - that a jury 
were convinced that our actions were lawful." Standing beside him, Mr 
Olditch added: "It is very difficult to put this all into perspective at the 
moment.

"We have spent four years waiting for this day. It demonstrates that the law 
really can come down to reasonableness.

"From the outset we had been trying to prepare for all eventualities. The 
worse case scenario for us would have been prison - but nothing compares to 
the horror that has been inflicted on innocent Iraqis."

The court heard that the pair entered the base, which was being used by the 
US Air Force, on March 18 2003 - the day before bombing began in Iraq.

They were armed with bottles of red and brown coloured liquid along with 
bags of nails and staples which they intended to pour into the planes' 
engine bays.

Prosecutors alleged that they were also planning to damage the noses of the 
aircraft, so the planes could not bomb their targets.

Defence barrister Edward Rees said they carried out the protest because they 
believed the B52 planes were being prepared with uranium and scatter bombs 
to attack Iraq "indiscriminately".

Mr Rees said: "These particular bombs would have inevitably resulted in 
indiscriminate death of civilians.

"They believed that the extent of the damage to normal life was 
unreasonable." Mr Pritchard and Mr Olditch, both tradesmen from Oxford, 
walked out of court together, closely followed by a group of anti-war 
protesters.

It is the second time the pair had been tried for the offences. A jury had 
failed to reach a verdict after days of deliberation at the previous trial 
last year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/antiwar/story/0,,2085692,00.html


Pair cleared of air base damage

Toby Olditch and Philip Pritchard - arrested four years ago

Protesters who broke into an air base intending to sabotage B-52 bombers 
have been cleared of all charges.
Toby Olditch, 38, and Philip Pritchard, 36, denied conspiring to cause 
criminal damage, saying they were trying to prevent war crimes in Iraq.

The activists, from Oxford, admitted using bolt cutters to cut through a 
perimeter fence at RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire, prior to the Iraq war.

"We have been waiting four years for this day," Mr Olditch said afterwards.

"It demonstrates that the law really can come down to reasonableness."

Mr Pritchard said: "It is a great relief and a huge vote of confidence for 
anti-war protesters."

The worse case scenario for us would have been prison - but nothing compares 
to the horror that has been inflicted on innocent Iraqis

Toby Olditch, peace activist

The two men intended to damage the planes by clogging their engines, as well 
as sabotaging the runway, the jury at Bristol Crown Court was told.

Prosecutor Peter Blair QC said the two had expected to be arrested and 
prosecuted and had made preparations for being sent to prison.

When caught by Ministry of Defence police they had coloured liquid and bags 
of nails and staples to use in the sabotage plan, the court heard.

Defending, Edward Rees said they carried out their protest because they 
believed the planes were being prepared to bomb Iraq indiscriminately with 
uranium and scatter bombs.

Legality of war

"These particular bombs would inevitably have resulted in indiscriminate 
death of civilians.

"They believed that the extent of the damage to normal life was 
unreasonable," he said.


Judge Tom Crowther told the jury before it retired: "I remind you again, you 
do not have to decide the legality of the decision to go to war."

Jurors took four hours to reach their not guilty verdicts.

Mr Olditch said afterwards: "From the outset we had been trying to prepare 
for all eventualities.

"The worse case scenario for us would have been prison - but nothing 
compares to the horror that has been inflicted on innocent Iraqis."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/6681639.stm


Update: Another not guilty verdict for a Fairford protester
fairford camper | 06.06.2007 22:02 | Anti-militarism | Iraq

Josh Richards was arrested at Fairford in March 2003 - reportedly headed 
towards the B52s with a can of fuel and a box of matches - reportedly to 
burn them. After waiting several years for judgement of his actions and 
waiting through his two trials.....he was given that judgement today!

Following the not guilty verdict of the B-52 Two - Philip Pritchard and Toby 
Olditch - at the end of May, another Fairford protester has today been found 
not guilty of a similar charge...

>From Josh:

Dear Friends & Friends of Friends,

HUNG JURY - NOT GUILTY !! 




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 YOU BITCHO, PROVE TO ME THAT 6 MILLION KIKES REALLY DIED IN
KONZLAGERS! MAKE MY DAY!



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From: "ElParedon" 
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"Six human rights groups released Wednesday a list of 39 people they believe 
have been secretly imprisoned by the United States and whose whereabouts are 
unknown and called on the Bush administration to abandon secret detentions," 
according to advance copy of an article being considered for the front page 
of Thursday's New York Times.

Files Reuters: "Six human rights groups urged the U.S. government on 
Thursday to name and explain the whereabouts of 39 people they said were 
believed to have been held in U.S. custody and "disappeared." Excerpts 
follow.




The groups, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, said 
they filed a U.S. federal lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act 
seeking information about the 39 people it terms "ghost prisoners" in the 
U.S. "war on terror."

"Since the end of Latin America's dirty wars, the world has rejected the use 
of 'disappearances' as a fundamental violation of international law," 
Professor Meg Satterthwaite of the Center for Human Rights and Global 
Justice at New York University's School of Law said in a statement.

The report said suspects' relatives, including children as young as seven, 
had been held in secret detention on occasion.

In September, U.S. President George W. Bush acknowledged the CIA had 
interrogated dozens of suspects at secret overseas locations and said 14 of 
those held had been sent to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay."




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On Thursday, Robert L. Trivers took a train to Boston to give a talk at 
Harvard University the next day. Trivers is a prominent evolutionary 
biologist and anthropologist at Rutgers University and he had been invited 
to Cambridge in honor of his having won this year's Crafoord Prize in 
Biosciences, a top international award that many consider a notch below the 
Nobel.
Trivers never got to give his talk. He says that hours before he was 
scheduled to lecture, he was called by an organizer and told that the 
appearance was being called off because of statements he had made about and 
to Alan Dershowitz, a law professor at Harvard. In a letter to the editor of 
The Wall Street Journal last week, Trivers quoted from an April letter he 
had sent Dershowitz. In that letter, Trivers wrote: "Regarding your 
rationalization of Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilians, let me just say 
that if there is a repeat of Israeli butchery toward Lebanon and if you 
decide once again to rationalize it publicly, look forward to a visit from 
me. Nazis - and Nazi-like apologists such as yourself - need to be 
confronted directly."

According to Trivers, Dershowitz used his letter to have him declared "a 
threat" and blocked from speaking at Harvard.

Dershowitz said that he did not seek to have the talk called off, but he 
confirmed reporting the Trivers letter to the university's police 
department. "My office routinely sends all letters that can be construed as 
threatening to the Harvard police," Dershowitz said via e-mail. "The Trivers 
letter fit into that category. I am and always have been opposed to the 
cancellation of speeches of any kind, whether it be David Duke, Norman 
Finkelstein or Robert Trivers. I do favor counter speech such as 
 leafleting."

Finkelstein is the DePaul University political scientist whose critiques of 
Israel, Dershowitz and the "Holocaust industry" have made him controversial. 
Dershowitz is among many scholars who have questioned Finkelstein's work, 
but others see him as a victim of pro-Israel groups who disagree with his 
views. Trivers said that he wrote to Dershowitz to object to his statements 
about Finkelstein, whose work is currently under scrutiny at DePaul as that 
university considers his tenure bid.

So why is Trivers caught up in this debate? His two sisters married Lebanese 
men, so Trivers has family in Beirut and has learned much about the country. 
His current research is about national myths and self-deception, and one of 
the examples he is exploring concerns Israel's invasion of Lebanon last 
year.

Trivers said that "in retrospect," he wishes that he included the word 
"verbally" after the reference in his letter to confronting Dershowitz. But 
he said that "under no circumstances have I threatened him physically, or 
would I."

Calling off the lecture was a violation of academic freedom, he said, and he 
blamed Dershowitz, saying that some donors to the evolutionary biology 
program at Harvard, which was sponsoring his lecture, were close to 
Dershowitz and had been enlisted to squelch his appearance. He acknowledged, 
however, that he had "no proof" to back up that view.

Of the cancellation, he said: "I'm furious. I don't think it has anything to 
do with the alleged threat. I think it has to do with trying to suppress 
views that are seen as anti-Israel."

Harvard officials could not be reached for comment about why the talk was 
called off.




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Hundreds of foreign and domestic scientists confirm that 911 was staged by 
the Bush/ZioNazis in order to create a dictatorship and havoc in the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgDI81fNfI&mode=related&search= 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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June 6, 2007

Nico Pitney: In an address yesterday to a group of Wyoming high schoolers, 
Cheney continued to insist on an Iraqi hand in 9/11, even when this myth has 
been thoroughly rejected by nearly everyone else on the planet.

This post, written by Nico Pitney, originally appeared on Think Progress

"Addressing about 100 wide-eyed Wyoming high school students learning about 
government and the political process," Vice President Cheney yesterday 
repeated one of the key fabrications that helped send the United States into 
war.

During the question and answer session, one student asked, "I was 
wondering -- I'm not trying to start a debate, or anything, but do you still 
think that the Iraq war can be won?" Cheney immediately answered "yes," 
adding, "I think we're making significant progress now."

He then launched into a justification of the war, citing the September 11 
attacks. "The fact of the matter is Iraq is part of the global war on 
terror," he told the students. "And you've got to go back and look at what 
happened on 9/11." Cheney recounted the tale of the late al-Qaeda operative 
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, one of the administration's great pre-war myths:


  The worst terrorist we had in Iraq was a guy named Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a 
Jordanian by birth; served time in a Jordanian prison as a terrorist, was 
let out on amnesty. ... Then when we launched into Afghanistan after 9/11, 
he was wounded, and fled to Baghdad for medical treatment, and then set up 
shop in Iraq. So he operated in Jordan, he operated in Afghanistan, then he 
moved to Iraq.
The implication that Zarqawi helped justify the war was thoroughly debunked 
last year by the Senate Intelligence Committee, then chaired by Bush 
loyalist Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS.) It found:


  Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi 
and...the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a blind 
eye toward Zarqawi. [p. 109]
Adding insult to injury, earlier in the event, Cheney was asked about the 
"values or philosophy" he has developed during his 40 years of government 
service. He answered, "I basically developed a great respect for American 
history."




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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jun 7, 3:19 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3408801,00.html
> Holocaust denier establishes party in Japan
>
> Richard Koshimizu claims no Jews
> were murdered during World War II,
>
> and that Hitler was funded
> and protected by Jews.
>
> Anti-Semite political activist
> to deliver public speech at
> State-funded venue this week
>
> Iris Georlette Latest Update:
> 06.07.07, 01:04 / Israel Jewish Scene
>
> TOKYO -
>
> A Japanese political activist who
> holds radical anti-Semitic views,
> Richard Koshimizu,
>
> has set up a political party
> named "Independence Party,"
> and is planning to deliver a
> public speech in the city
> of Kyoto this week.
>
> Koshimizu operates a website in
> which he claims that no Jews were
> murdered during the Holocaust,
> and that only 60,000 Jews died
> of diseases in the war.
>
> According to the site,
> Adolf Hitler was the grandson
> of Solomon Meyer Rothschild,
> and the Nazi dictator's rise
> to power was funded by
> Rothschild and other
> Jewish corporations.
>
> On the site,
>
> Koshimizu writes that Hitler
> fled to Argentina at the end
> of the war and after he saw
> that his objective -
>
> the establishment of a Jewish state -
> had materialized.
>
> He lived there until 1980,
> protected by the Jewish community,
> the site states.
>
> The site goes on to claim that Jews
> were behind the 9/11 terror attacks,
> and behind the dropping of the atom
> bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> Israel handling matter 'quietly'
>
> Koshimizu's site would not have
> attracted so much attention had
> it not been for his plan to carry
> a speech at a place called Campus Plaza,
> which is run by a state-funded organization,
> the Kyoto University Union.
>
> A senior Israeli Foreign Minister
> official confirmed to Ynet that
> the site is genuine and that
> Kushimozo will apparently
> deliver the speech on June 9.
>
> According to the source,
> the speech is part of the
> campaign to raise support
> for the new party.
>
> The official stated that Jerusalem was
> handling the matter carefully and quietly,
> in order not to give publicity to the man
> and the views and party he was promoting.
>
> He added that the Japanese government
> was unable to prevent the speech,
> for freedom of speech considerations,
> and that such a ban could even have
> the opposite effect of contributing
> to Koshimizu's media exposure.
>
> The Japanese Foreign
> Ministry said in response,
>
> "Although the venue of the talk
> seems to be a room inside the
> building administrated by the
> Consortium of Universities in Kyoto,
>
> the Consortium itself seems to
> have nothing to do with the event,
> except lending that room.
>
> "And anyway, according to Japanese laws,
> non-profit foundations such as the
> Consortium of the Universities in
> Kyoto are totally independent bodies
> from the Japanese Government,
>
> even though their establishment
> should be approved by the
> Governmental ministries
> concerned."
>
> Initial report sent by Red Email

Right or wrong, he has a right to speak his piece



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 Right  or wrong, democracy allows everyone right to express
themselves. Holocaustianity is not recognized as a religion, not yet!



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On Jun 7, 12:08 am, "Stan Engel"  wrote:
> "torresdD"  wrote in message
>
> news:7vD9i.14104$296.756@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "dshar...@gmail.com"
>
> >http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3409313,00.html
>
> >> " Conflicting stories emerge after IDF kills 70-year-old
> >> Palestinians say troops in Hebron shot man dead in his home during
> >> search; IDF says soldier forced to respond when group of Palestinians
> >> tried to take his weapon by force."
>
> >> Operative phrase: Palestinians SAY.
>
> >> Palestinians saying anything is tantamount to Adolf Eichmann saying
> >> "I'm no anti-Semite."
>
> >> Deborah
>
> > Debbie,
> > There does seem to be a lot of independent documentation
> > for what "Palestinians SAY".
>
> > Just check out Anmesty International, Human Rights Watch,
> > BBC, Guardian UK, Haaretz, Yetnews,
> > B'TSELEM, Maan, etc., etc.,.
>
> Why do you call it Yetnews? It's Ynet, with an n.
>
>
>
> > Anti-semitic has been used to tar and feather those that
> > denounce the brutal policies of the Israeli government towards
> > non-Jews, especially the Palestinian people, so often,
> > that it lost its sting.
>
> The word hasn't lost its sting for trash like you who periodically claim
> that it has. The Palestinian people, like you, want to see plenty of dead
> Jews.
>
Absolutely! Any explanation of that feeling?



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On Jun 6, 3:00 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> "dshar...@gmail.com"
>
>  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3409313,00.html
>
>
>
> > " Conflicting stories emerge after IDF kills 70-year-old
> > Palestinians say troops in Hebron shot man dead in his home during
> > search; IDF says soldier forced to respond when group of Palestinians
> > tried to take his weapon by force."
>
> > Operative phrase: Palestinians SAY.
>
> > Palestinians saying anything is tantamount to Adolf Eichmann saying
> > "I'm no anti-Semite."
>
> > Deborah
>
> Debbie,
> There does seem to be a lot of independent documentation
> for what "Palestinians SAY".
>
> Just check out Anmesty International, Human Rights Watch,
> BBC, Guardian UK, Haaretz, Yetnews,
> B'TSELEM, Maan, etc., etc.,.
>
> Anti-semitic has been used to tar and feather those that
> denounce the brutal policies of the Israeli government

Most especially since Palestinians, themselves are the REAL semites!



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 End the Iraq obscenity
Michael Ancram

Published 07 June 2007

Print version Listen RSS Michael Ancram says Gordon Brown should pull troops 
out of Iraq at once

It has been clear for the past year to many of us, not least to senior 
military figures, that the time had come for British forces to leave Iraq.

It has been equally clear that Tony Blair could not deliver this without 
losing face. He and George Bush were irrevocably committed to the mirage of 
creating a new liberal democratic order in the Middle East. For them, to get 
out now would have been an admission of failure.

The arrival of Gordon Brown at No 10 creates a valuable new situation. The 
web that ensnared Blair has left Brown unencumbered. Despite his support for 
the invasion, Brown has never been part of that neoconservative 
"democratisation movement", that pattern of distorted intelligence and 
ideological propaganda which has led to and continues to fuel the obscenity 
which is Iraq today.

As Brown takes over he has a narrow window of opportunity to use his unique 
authority to bring this nightmare to an end. He can demonstrate boldness and 
vision. He can jettison the rhetoric of bringing freedom and democracy to a 
grateful nation. He can admit the truth: that the British people don't want 
us to stay in Iraq a moment longer, nor do our soldiers fighting there and, 
most importantly, nor do the vast majority of the Iraqi people.

He can face the facts. The Shias, whom we originally went in to liberate, 
are the same Shias who are killing our soldiers. We are no longer keeping 
the peace; we are increasingly the target for its breach.

We are no longer saving Iraq from terrorism; indeed, we were complicit in 
the dismantling of Iraq's security apparatus, which created the vacuum which 
enticed al-Qaeda in. We are no longer delivering a democratic Iraq; we are, 
with the Americans, presiding over a sectarian government sliding into civil 
war. We are no longer the "welcome liberators", but rather the "evil 
occupiers" around whose bombed vehicles the locals dance in chilling 
celebration.

We have no place in Iraq any more. The only reason we are still there is an 
astonishing adherence to the agenda of a discredited US president. That 
surely is not worth dying for.

In pulling them out now, Brown would not be letting our troops down. They 
have been heroes. They have done everything that has been asked of them, and 
more. It is politicians - and I admit that originally I was one - who got it 
wrong. It is time we got it right by simply getting out. We don't need to 
set a timetable. We are within a few hours of the border by road, and even 
less by air. If we decide to get out, we can do so almost instantaneously.

There are those who continue to argue that such a withdrawal would be 
followed by internecine warfare. Conversely, it could actually serve to 
bring a degree of albeit uneasy stability to a situation where our continued 
presence is an aggravation and irritation rather than a palliative. It would 
certainly be in the interests of Iraq's immediate neighbours - Iran, Turkey, 
Syria and Saudi Arabia - to ensure that it did.

Gordon Brown has a short but golden chance to end Britain's pointless 
engagement in Iraq, but he will have to do so quickly and with 
determination. He should grasp that chance.

Michael Ancram MP was shadow foreign secretary (2001-2005)

http://www.newstatesman.com/200706110013 




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IT JUST DOES NOT WORK!

President Putin need not worry about the US missile defense system as it 
does not work, according to a group of US scientists.

US used to be  the leader in technology, aviation and inventivness, it no 
longer is nor will it ever be again!

I remember when we had the space shuttles that worked, moon landing, and 
ISS. Now, if US wants to send and astronaut to ISS,
it has to ask Russia to take him abourd one of their capsules, that never 
fail to work! And if we want to send some grub to our astronaut, we have to 
pay Russians to take it to him!

We are too busy spending money on building an empire on the graves of 
millions of innocent people, and defending a useless Jewish state,
which is engaged in torture and imprisonment of millions of Palestinian 
people.

We are just a paper tiger, Mr. Putin. If you want America for your own, all 
you have to do is pay a bribe of 100 grand to each of our useless 
legislators and they will hand America to you on the silver platter! 




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 wrote in message 
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On Jun 7, 2:06 pm, "P teris Cedri s (Peteris Cedrins)"
 wrote:
> RIGA, June 7 (RIA Novosti) - Latvia is ready to consider the
> possibility of placing elements of a U.S. missile shield on its
> territory if necessary, the country's prime minister said Thursday.
>
> "We would certainly agree to a [U.S.] proposal if we receive it,
> because European security is very important," Aigars Kalvitis said in
> an interview with Latvia's TV5 channel. "I am certain of this because
> we are a member of NATO and the EU, and play a part in Europe's
> collective security."
>
> More --
>
> http://en.rian.ru/world/20070607/66849053.html
>

Why are we always talking politics in SCB? Let's chang ethe subject
and talk culture. Poetry. Here is a great Russian fable from a
classic: Krylov. Is it his original or did Aesop or LaFontaigne have a
similar one?  Is there a Latvian/Estonian version of this fable?

http://max.mmlc.northwestern.edu/~mdenner/demo/texts/elephant_pug.htm

Elephant and Pug

Along the streets Big Elephant was led,
To show him off, most likely.
Since Elephants are not a common thing to see
A crowd of gapers followed on his heels.
All of a sudden Pug springs up in front of them.
And seeing Elephant, it raises a great rumpus,
It lunges, barks and howls
And does its best to pick a quarrel.
"Hey neighbor, stop the fuss,"
A mutt intones, "You? Deal with Elephant?
Look at you barking yourself hoarse, and he just strolls
Nonplussed
And doesn't care one bit about your noise."
"Ho ho!" Pug says,
"That's just what I enjoy,
Since I can be a real tough guy
Without a single blow or bruise.
That way, the other dogs will say:
"To bark at Elephant this Pug
Must be a real strong mug!"

Nothing could describe Bush's sabre rattling better than this Krilov fable. 
Spasibo!





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"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"  wrote in message 
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> First, I wish to openly state that "I am not Jewish"! O.k
> I just recently read that according to the rules of Kashrut
> Jews are not supposed to eat the products of any carnivorous
> fish.
> http://www.uscj.org/Koach/kocmay06eisen.htm
>  ....... second paragraph  .............
> "So, what is it about certain animals that appears to make them kosher 
> (beyond the simplicity of Godís command)? Itís the demonstration of 
> respect they show for life, and consequently, we show for them. We donít 
> eat birds of prey, we donít eat carnivorous fish, and we donít eat land 
> animals that hunt. How do we respect these animals in return? In the 
> method we slaughter them."
>
> Yet I have many acquaintances who highly praise Lox, and Tuna,
> Sturgeon, and Pike/Pickerel, Trout and other fish which I
> believe are carnivorous.
> Which prompts me to ask whether indeed products of carnivorous
> fish are proscribed as tref?
> -- 
> Rostyk

All fish are carnivores, including the crutaceans,seashells, and oysters. If 
you are diver you can easily observe that 




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"Jedi"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 6, 5:12 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> Hundreds of foreign and domestic scientists confirm that 911 was staged 
>> by
>> the Bush/ZioNazis in order to create a dictatorship and havoc in the 
>> world!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgDI81fNfI&mode=related&search=
>
>
> Elparedon's nonsense is debunked here:
>
> Popular Mechanics

Suure! Popular Mechanics could not answer the question of tons of melted 
steel in liquid form which remained that way for months.

Nor could they explain why WTC7 came down without being hit by anything 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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>> terrorism;
>
> Don't forget that the Muslims fundamentalist use torture too Alex!

OH, IT IS OK THEN FOR US TO BE LIKE AL QAEDA!RIGHT? 




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YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ASK ANYBODY JUST OPEN YOU BEADY EYES ONCE IN A WHILE!
 wrote in message 
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> On 7 Jun, 13:39, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  End the Iraq obscenity
>> Michael Ancram
>>
>> Published 07 June 2007
>>
>> Print version Listen RSS Michael Ancram says Gordon Brown should pull 
>> troops
>> out of Iraq at once
>>
>> It has been clear for the past year to many of us, not least to senior
>> military figures, that the time had come for British forces to leave 
>> Iraq.
>>
>> It has been equally clear that Tony Blair could not deliver this without
>> losing face. He and George Bush were irrevocably committed to the mirage 
>> of
>> creating a new liberal democratic order in the Middle East. For them, to 
>> get
>> out now would have been an admission of failure.
>>
>> The arrival of Gordon Brown at No 10 creates a valuable new situation. 
>> The
>> web that ensnared Blair has left Brown unencumbered. Despite his support 
>> for
>> the invasion, Brown has never been part of that neoconservative
>> "democratisation movement", that pattern of distorted intelligence and
>> ideological propaganda which has led to and continues to fuel the 
>> obscenity
>> which is Iraq today.
>>
>> As Brown takes over he has a narrow window of opportunity to use his 
>> unique
>> authority to bring this nightmare to an end. He can demonstrate boldness 
>> and
>> vision. He can jettison the rhetoric of bringing freedom and democracy to 
>> a
>> grateful nation. He can admit the truth: that the British people don't 
>> want
>> us to stay in Iraq a moment longer, nor do our soldiers fighting there 
>> and,
>> most importantly, nor do the vast majority of the Iraqi people.
>>
>> He can face the facts. The Shias, whom we originally went in to liberate,
>> are the same Shias who are killing our soldiers. We are no longer keeping
>> the peace; we are increasingly the target for its breach.
>>
>> We are no longer saving Iraq from terrorism; indeed, we were complicit in
>> the dismantling of Iraq's security apparatus, which created the vacuum 
>> which
>> enticed al-Qaeda in. We are no longer delivering a democratic Iraq; we 
>> are,
>> with the Americans, presiding over a sectarian government sliding into 
>> civil
>> war. We are no longer the "welcome liberators", but rather the "evil
>> occupiers" around whose bombed vehicles the locals dance in chilling
>> celebration.
>>
>> We have no place in Iraq any more. The only reason we are still there is 
>> an
>> astonishing adherence to the agenda of a discredited US president. That
>> surely is not worth dying for.
>>
>> In pulling them out now, Brown would not be letting our troops down. They
>> have been heroes. They have done everything that has been asked of them, 
>> and
>> more. It is politicians - and I admit that originally I was one - who got 
>> it
>> wrong. It is time we got it right by simply getting out. We don't need to
>> set a timetable. We are within a few hours of the border by road, and 
>> even
>> less by air. If we decide to get out, we can do so almost 
>> instantaneously.
>>
>> There are those who continue to argue that such a withdrawal would be
>> followed by internecine warfare. Conversely, it could actually serve to
>> bring a degree of albeit uneasy stability to a situation where our 
>> continued
>> presence is an aggravation and irritation rather than a palliative. It 
>> would
>> certainly be in the interests of Iraq's immediate neighbours - Iran, 
>> Turkey,
>> Syria and Saudi Arabia - to ensure that it did.
>>
>> Gordon Brown has a short but golden chance to end Britain's pointless
>> engagement in Iraq, but he will have to do so quickly and with
>> determination. He should grasp that chance.
>>
>> Michael Ancram MP was shadow foreign secretary (2001-2005)
>>
>> http://www.newstatesman.com/200706110013
>
> 




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 Europe suffered great deal during the Nazi occupation, and nobody suffered 
more than the Russian people did. More People of Leningrad
died of starvation than Jews who died in Konzlagers of Germany 




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On Jun 7, 8:36 pm, "Peitsche"  wrote:
> http://www.livevideo.com/video/6613771DC9224FD9B1C3960DA1573A5B/prete...

People of United States have been lied to by the current "decider" on
every subject since 911, including 911. All lies are directed to
forming a dictatorship without us knowing nothing about it, and
eventually being unable to do anything about it



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 In Iraq's four-year looting frenzy, the allies have become the vandals


British and American collusion in the pillaging of Iraq's heritage is a 
scandal that will outlive any passing conflict

Simon Jenkins
Friday June 8, 2007
The Guardian


Fly into the American air base of Tallil outside Nasiriya in central Iraq 
and the flight path is over the great ziggurat of Ur, reputedly the earliest 
city on earth. Seen from the base in the desert haze or the sand-filled 
gloom of dusk, the structure is indistinguishable from the mounds of fuel 
dumps, stores and hangars. Ur is safe within the base compound. But its 
walls are pockmarked with wartime shrapnel and a blockhouse is being built 
over an adjacent archaeological site. When the head of Iraq's supposedly 
sovereign board of antiquities and heritage, Abbas al-Hussaini, tried to 
inspect the site recently, the Americans refused him access to his own most 
important monument.


Yesterday Hussaini reported to the British Museum on his struggles to 
protect his work in a state of anarchy. It was a heart breaking 
presentation. Under Saddam you were likely to be tortured and shot if you 
let someone steal an antiquity; in today's Iraq you are likely to be 
tortured and shot if you don't. The tragic fate of the national museum in 
Baghdad in April 2003 was as if federal troops had invaded New York city, 
sacked the police and told the criminal community that the Metropolitan was 
at their disposal. The local tank commander was told specifically not to 
protect the museum for a full two weeks after the invasion. Even the Nazis 
protected the Louvre.
When I visited the museum six months later, its then director, Donny George, 
proudly showed me the best he was making of a bad job. He was about to 
reopen, albeit with half his most important objects stolen. The pro-war 
lobby had stopped pretending that the looting was nothing to do with the 
Americans, who were shamefacedly helping retrieve stolen objects under the 
dynamic US colonel, Michael Bogdanos (author of a book on the subject). The 
vigorous Italian cultural envoy to the coalition, Mario Bondioli-Osio, was 
giving generously for restoration.

The beautiful Warka vase, carved in 3000BC, was recovered though smashed 
into 14 pieces. The exquisite Lyre of Ur, the world's most ancient musical 
instrument, was found badly damaged. Clerics in Sadr City were ingeniously 
asked to tell wives to refuse to sleep with their husbands if looted objects 
were not returned, with some success. Nothing could be done about the 
fire-gutted national library and the loss of five centuries of Ottoman 
records (and works by Piccasso and Miro). But the message of winning hearts 
and minds seemed to have got through.

Today the picture is transformed. Donny George fled for his life last August 
after death threats. The national museum is not open but shut. Nor is it 
just shut. Its doors are bricked up, it is surrounded by concrete walls and 
its exhibits are sandbagged. Even the staff cannot get inside. There is no 
prospect of reopening.

Hussaini confirmed a report two years ago by John Curtis, of the British 
Museum, on America's conversion of Nebuchadnezzar's great city of Babylon 
into the hanging gardens of Halliburton. This meant a 150-hectare camp for 
2,000 troops. In the process the 2,500-year-old brick pavement to the Ishtar 
Gate was smashed by tanks and the gate itself damaged. The archaeology-rich 
subsoil was bulldozed to fill sandbags, and large areas covered in compacted 
gravel for helipads and car parks. Babylon is being rendered 
archaeologically barren.

Meanwhile the courtyard of the 10th-century caravanserai of Khan al-Raba was 
used by the Americans for exploding captured insurgent weapons. One blast 
demolished the ancient roofs and felled many of the walls. The place is now 
a ruin.

Outside the capital some 10,000 sites of incomparable importance to the 
history of western civilisation, barely 20% yet excavated, are being looted 
as systematically as was the museum in 2003. When George tried to remove 
vulnerable carvings from the ancient city of Umma to Baghdad, he found gangs 
of looters already in place with bulldozers, dump trucks and AK47s.

Hussaini showed one site after another lost to archaeology in a four-year 
"looting frenzy". The remains of the 2000BC cities of Isin and Shurnpak 
appear to have vanished: pictures show them replaced by a desert of badger 
holes created by an army of some 300 looters. Castles, ziggurats, deserted 
cities, ancient minarets and mosques have gone or are going. Hussaini has 11 
teams combing the country engaged in rescue work, mostly collecting detritus 
left by looters. His small force of site guards is no match for heavily 
armed looters, able to shift objects to eager European and American dealers 
in days.

Most ominous is a message reputedly put out from Moqtada al-Sadr's office, 
that while Muslim heritage should be respected, pre-Muslim relics were up 
for grabs. As George said before his flight, his successors might be "only 
interested in Islamic sites and not Iraq's earlier heritage". While Hussaini 
is clearly devoted to all Iraq's history, the Taliban's destruction of 
Afghanistan's pre-Muslim Bamiyan Buddhas is in every mind.

Despite Sadr's apparent preference, sectarian militias are pursuing an orgy 
of destruction of Muslim sites. Apart from the high-profile bombings of some 
of the loveliest surviving mosques in the Arab world, radical groups opposed 
to all shrines have begun blasting 10th- and 11th-century structures, 
irrespective of Sunni or Shia origin. Eighteen ancient shrines have been 
lost, 10 in Kirkuk and the south in the past month alone. The great monument 
and souk at Kifel, north of Najaf - reputedly the tomb of Ezekiel and once 
guarded by Iraqi Jews (mostly driven into exile by the occupation) - have 
been all but destroyed.

It is abundantly clear that the Americans and British are not protecting 
Iraq's historic sites. All foreign archaeologists have had to leave. Troops 
are doing nothing to prevent the "farming" of known antiquities. This is in 
direct contravention of the Geneva Convention that an occupying army should 
"use all means within its power" to guard the cultural heritage of a 
defeated state.

Shortly after the invasion, the British minister Tessa Jowell won plaudits 
for "pledging" £5m to protect Iraq's antiquities. I can find no one who can 
tell me where, how or whether this money has been spent. It appears to have 
been pure spin. Only the British Museum and the British School of 
Archaeology in Iraq have kept the flag flying. The latter's grant has just 
been cut, presumably to pay for the Olympics binge.

As long as Britain and America remain in denial over the anarchy they have 
created in Iraq, they clearly feel they must deny its devastating 
side-effects. Two million refugees now camping in Jordan and Syria are 
ignored, since life in Iraq is supposed to be "better than before". Likewise 
dozens of Iraqis working for the British and thus facing death threats are 
denied asylum. To grant it would mean the former defence and now home 
secretary, the bullish John Reid, admitting he was wrong. They will die 
before he does that.

Though I opposed the invasion I assumed that its outcome would at least be a 
more civilised environment. Yet Iraq's people are being murdered in droves 
for want of order. Authority has collapsed. That western civilisation should 
have been born in so benighted a country as Iraq may seem bad luck. But only 
now is that birth being refused all guardianship, in defiance of 
international law. If this is Tony Blair's "values war", then language has 
lost all meaning. British collusion in such destruction is a scandal that 
will outlive any passing conflict. And we had the cheek to call the Taliban 
vandals.

simon.jenkins@guardian.co.uk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2098057,00.html




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1181200860.571803.89160@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> bretldwig@yahoo.com says...
>> "Christianity" CREATED Jews.
>>
>
>
> Then why were there Jews before there were Christians and why in India
> do Jews exist, where until recently there were no Christians!

Your whole "knowledge" of spirituality of the human race and variouis 
religions is most probably derived from comic books, Bernard! 




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 >> It could be, or it could actually be the totals collected by the Red
>> Cross after the war.
>
> Yeah, right.  An archive consisting of one page.

One page is just a sample. The rest can be found in many thousands of 
documents that completely destroy the ZioNazi version of events.

besides, didn't you say that you can prove that 6 million Jews were killed 
by Hitler? Where is your proof. I would even be satisfied if you could prove 
the simple fact that there were more than three million Jews available for 
Hitler to kill! 




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 I wish that were true, but as usual only lies leave your lips.

The opposite is true thousands of Egyptians were slaughtered mercilessly by 
Jews 




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"Ariadne"  wrote in message 
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> On 7 Jun, 15:38, BernardZ  wrote:
>> In article <1181211404.808860.201...@r19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> dshar...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> > [photo]
>> > Egyptian soldiers shooting Israeli prisoners, Yom-Kippur War, 1973
>>
>> Please what is the URL?
>
> http://www.isracast.com/images/NewsImages/080307war1.jpg
>
FUCKING LIAR! 




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"Prime Minister of God and His Kingdom"  wrote in 
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> The elimination of Judaism is the beginning of National Security

Far from being pagan, Japan is a very moral, well behaved democratic 
society. ZioNazi enclave has no way of comparing itself to Japan. 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 7, 10:48 am, Daniel Bernard 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:14:00 -0500, "DoD"  wrote:
>>
>> >"Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message
>> >news:5tmd6393joolsbo8b76vohkuotspv7614r@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> Anyhoo I love America. As long as Dumbya keeps sending troops to die
>> >> for Israel and other nonsense my family make money
>>
>> >IF true, you sure have a funny way with gratitude, bitching about it 
>> >24x7.
>>
>> Principles, Dave.
>
> If you had any principles then you wouldn't be making money off of it
> and claim to be loving it, now would ya?
>
75% of the work force in the Nazi Messerschmidt factory in Gyor Hungary, 
that manufactured bombers which bombed Europe were jews! 




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"Bill Dunkenfield"  wrote in message 
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> Israel Argaman Tekhelet wrote:
>>
>> WHY BE JEW?
>>
>
> Because Jesus was born, lived and died a jew.
 BULLSHIT!  JEWS KILLED JESUS 




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Elephant and Pug

Along the streets Big Elephant was led,
To show him off, most likely.
Since Elephants are not a common thing to see
A crowd of gapers followed on his heels.
All of a sudden Pug springs up in front of them.
And seeing Elephant, it raises a great rumpus,
It lunges, barks and howls
And does its best to pick a quarrel.
"Hey neighbor, stop the fuss,"
A mutt intones, "You? Deal with Elephant?
Look at you barking yourself hoarse, and he just strolls
Nonplussed
And doesn't care one bit about your noise."
"Ho ho!" Pug says,
"That's just what I enjoy,
Since I can be a real tough guy
Without a single blow or bruise.
That way, the other dogs will say:
"To bark at Elephant this Pug
Must be a real strong mug!"





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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 7, 9:14 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On Jun 7, 5:21 pm, DoD  wrote:
>>
>> > Most people have short memories, but here's something that calls for
>> > remembering:
>>
>> > Last year, Front Page Magazine ran an article about links between the
>> > International Solidarity Movement (ISM) and the London bombings on 7/7
>> > that left 52 dead and hundreds wounded.
>>
>> > Evidence back then showed that the explosives used in the London
>> > subway attacks were found by British and Israeli intelligence
>> > officials to be remarkably similar to those used in a 2003 bombing of
>> > the "Mike's Place" bar in Israel.
>>
>> OF COURSE THEY ARE THE SAME! THEY WERE BOTH SUPPLIED TO THE PATSIES BY
>> MOSSAD!
>
> Can you detail to us how this was done?

CAN YOU DETAIL HOW AND WHY ISM WOULD HELP VIOLENCE? 




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 wrote in message 
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> Washington imposed a price for its friendship. This soon became
> evident when the Korean War began in June 1950, and the United States
> insisted that friendly nations "stand up and be counted." After
>
The Korean war was fought between the United Nations and the communists. 
Over 50 nations participated in the Korean war.
Turkey alone lost about 3,000 troops, and over 500 prisoners, as did 
Australia, and many other nations. So don't take it as an American military 
effort. 




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 > Look at what happened to Paris Hilton today.  Do you think her release
> was just?  You America, you be the judge and remember the People of
> Israel the Jewish People have survived longer than most peoples on
> earth and these Jewish people I speak of will continue to survive
> especially today while we have a home again named Israel.
>
NEFESH, YOU DO MAKE SOME VERY IDIOTIC STATEMENTS. DID YOU EVER GO TO SCHOOL?
Do you have any idea how old the human race is on this planet? I guess not 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 7, 6:56 pm, "Ed"
>  wrote:
>> Japan is truly a democracy, for even a psychotic like this guy can form a
>> political party.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tilly"  wrote in messagenews:f482os$t7f$1@aioe.org...
>> > .
>>
>> >  TOKYO - A Japanese political activist who holds radical anti-Semitic
>> > views, Richard Koshimizu, has set up a political party named 
>> > "Independence
>> > Party," and is planning to deliver a public speech in the city of Kyoto
>> > this
>> > week.
>>
>> > Koshimizu operates a website in which he claims that no Jews were 
>> > murdered
>> > during the Holocaust, and that only 60,000 Jews died of diseases   in 
>> > the
>> > war. According to the site, Adolf Hitler was the grandson of Solomon 
>> > Meyer
>> > Rothschild, and the Nazi dictator's rise to power was funded by 
>> > Rothschild
>> > and other Jewish corporations.
>>
>> > On the site, Koshimizu writes that Hitler fled to Argentina at the end 
>> > of
>> > the war and after he saw that his objective - the establishment of a
>> > Jewish
>> > state - had materialized. He lived there until 1980, protected by the
>> > Jewish
>> > community, the site states.
>>
>> > The site goes on to claim that Jews were behind the 9/11 terror 
>> > attacks,
>> > and
>> > behind the dropping of the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> > Israel handling matter 'quietly'
>>
>> > Koshimizu's site would not have attracted so much attention had it not
>> > been
>> > for his plan to carry a speech at a place called Campus Plaza, which is
>> > run
>> > by a state-funded organization, the Kyoto University Union.
>>
>> > A senior Israeli Foreign Minister official confirmed to Ynet that the 
>> > site
>> > is genuine and that Kushimozo will apparently deliver the speech on 
>> > June
>> > 9.
>> > According to the source, the speech is part of the campaign to raise
>> > support
>> > for the new party.
>>
>> > The official stated that Jerusalem was handling the matter carefully 
>> > and
>> > quietly, in order not to give publicity to the man and the views and 
>> > party
>> > he was promoting.
>>
>> > He added that the Japanese government was unable to prevent the speech,
>> > for
>> > freedom of speech considerations, and that such a ban could even have 
>> > the
>> > opposite effect of contributing to Koshimizu's media exposure.
>>
>> > The Japanese Foreign Ministry said in response, "Although the venue of 
>> > the
>> > talk seems to be a room inside the building administrated by the
>> > Consortium
>> > of Universities in Kyoto, the Consortium itself seems to have nothing 
>> > to
>> > do
>> > with the event, except lending that room.
>>
>> > "And anyway, according to Japanese laws, non-profit foundations such as
>> > the
>> > Consortium of the Universities in Kyoto are totally independent bodies
>> > from
>> > the Japanese Government, even though their establishment should be
>> > approved
>> > by the Governmental ministries concerned."
>>
>> >http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3408801,00.html
>>
>> > His website: Have a look it- it has to be the worst designed website in
>> > years.
>> > Clearly the guy is cuckoo.
>>
>> >http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/meanwhile_j.htm
>>
>> > --
>> > femail1...@NOSPAM.gmail.com- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I often tease my father; he was stationed in Military Intelligence
> (Military Government) with the forces of the USA in Japan when WWII
> ended.  He set up the Military Government for the New Japanese
> Government, anyway I often tease him that he did such a good job that
> today the Japanese are our biggest competitors in the world economy.

HOW TRUE! JEW ALWAYS FINDS A CUSHY JOB SOME PLACE WHERE THERE IS CASH 
FLOWING. 




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"Moishe Lippschitz M.D."  wrote in message 
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> We jews just eat gefilte fish to be on the safe side :o)

God that is awful crap!
>
>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"  wrote in message 
>> news:A%Z9i.22319$dy1.9579@bigfe9...
>>> First, I wish to openly state that "I am not Jewish"! O.k
>>> I just recently read that according to the rules of Kashrut
>>> Jews are not supposed to eat the products of any carnivorous
>>> fish.
>>> http://www.uscj.org/Koach/kocmay06eisen.htm
>>>  ....... second paragraph  .............
>>> "So, what is it about certain animals that appears to make them kosher 
>>> (beyond the simplicity of God's command)? It's the demonstration of 
>>> respect they show for life, and consequently, we show for them. We don't 
>>> eat birds of prey, we don't eat carnivorous fish, and we don't eat land 
>>> animals that hunt. How do we respect these animals in return? In the 
>>> method we slaughter them."
>>>
>>> Yet I have many acquaintances who highly praise Lox, and Tuna,
>>> Sturgeon, and Pike/Pickerel, Trout and other fish which I
>>> believe are carnivorous.
>>> Which prompts me to ask whether indeed products of carnivorous
>>> fish are proscribed as tref?
>>> -- 
>>> Rostyk
>>
>> All fish are carnivores, including the crutaceans,seashells, and oysters. 
>> If you are diver you can easily observe that
>>
>
> 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 6, 9:12 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> Hundreds of foreign and domestic scientists confirm that 911 was staged 
>> by
>> the Bush/ZioNazis in order to create a dictatorship and havoc in the 
>> world!

There is enough evidence to get Bush and his Jews hanged! 




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 MEMRI is 'propaganda machine,' expert says
By Lawrence Swaim, Staff Writer

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) provides daily English 
translations of film and print media stories originating in Arabic, Iranian 
and Turkish media.

It also furnishes original analysis of cultural, political and religious 
trends in the Middle East.

It sends its daily postings to every news outlet in the United States and 
Europe, in addition to politicians and cultural leaders.

And it's free, which makes it a Godsend for journalists, editors and policy 
analysts.

But according to its critics, it is also a dangerous, highly sophisticated 
propaganda operation, disseminating hate and disinformation on an 
unprecedented worldwide basis.

"They use the same sort of propaganda techniques as the Nazis," Professor 
Norman G. Finkelstein, a well-known scholar on Israel/Palestine, told 
InFocus. "They take things out of context in order to do personal and 
political harm to people they don't like."

Take the case of Professor Halim Barakat, a novelist and scholar associated 
with the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University.

In 2002, he published an article on Zionism in London's Al-Hayat Daily, but 
says that in certain instances, MEMRI selectively edited what he wrote.

"I know how to make a distinction between Judaism and Zionism, but they 
distorted the article," Barakat told InFocus. "They left out certain things 
and tried to make it look anti-Semitic."

Shortly afterward, Campus Watch, the brainchild of notorious Islamophobe 
Daniel Pipes, used the allegedly doctored translation in an effort to smear 
Georgetown University.

Finkelstein, an outspoken critic of Israeli policies and the U.S. pro-Israel 
lobby, also had a run-in with MEMRI.

In 2006, he gave a TV interview in Lebanon on the way the Nazi Holocaust is 
used to silence critics of Israel.

Finkelstein later wrote on his Web site: "MEMRI recently posted what it 
alleged was an interview I did with Lebanese television on the Nazi 
Holocaust. The MEMRI posting was designed to prove that I was a Holocaust 
denier."

Far from being a Holocaust denier, Finkelstein's own parents were Holocaust 
survivors, a fact he has often spoken about.

But MEMRI was able to create the opposite impression, as Finkelstein 
demonstrated on his Web site, by editing out large chunks of the actual 
interview.

When some comments by the moderator were included, it appeared that 
Finkelstein's interview was about nitpicking the number of Jews who died in 
the Holocaust rather than about Israel/Palestine.

MEMRI's obsessive interest in protecting Israel derives from the people and 
interests that founded, fund and manage the institute's international 
operations.

It was founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in the Israel 
Defense Forces (Intelligence Branch) from 1968 until 1988, acting head of 
civil administration in the West Bank from 1977 to 1982; and Israeli-born 
Meyrav Wurmser, an extreme rightwing neoconservative now affiliated with the 
Hudson Institute.

Meyrav is married to David Wurmser, at one time an American Enterprise 
Institute "scholar" and then a State Department apparatchik under John 
Bolton.

Both participated in the collective writing of "A Clean Break: A New 
Strategy for Securing the Realm," a seminal 1996 neocon document that 
advocated an end to negotiations with the Palestinians and permanent war 
against the Arab world.

They also worked with Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle and other 
rightwing ideologues who promoted and embellished the fiction that Saddam 
Hussein was behind 9/11.

MEMRI has offices in Jerusalem, Berlin, London, Washington and Tokyo, and in 
a 2006 Jerusalem Post interview, Carmon claimed to have one in Iraq.

It translates film and print into English, German, Hebrew, Italian, French, 
Spanish and Japanese.

Tax returns for 2004 indicate American funding of between two to three 
million dollars, much of it from conservative donors and foundations - but 
those who have followed its far-flung operations suspect much higher 
expenditures.

Besides Carmon, several MEMRI staffers are former Israeli intelligence 
specialists. Especially troubling are suspected links between MEMRI and the 
current Israeli intelligence establishment.

According to a 2005 article in Israel's Ha'aretz, the Israeli Defense Forces 
plants fake stories in the Arab media, which it then translates and tries to 
retail to Israeli journalists. How much of MEMRI is simply an extension of 
such IDF operations?

The questions raised by the Ha'aretz story caused Proffesor Juan Cole to 
write, "How much of what we 'know' from 'Arab sources' about 'Hizbullah 
terrorism' was simply made up by this fantasy factory in Tel Aviv?"

British journalist Brian Whitaker, Middle East editor of the Guardian, 
dismisses MEMRI as "basically a propaganda machine."

Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, accuses them of "outright distortion," and 
former CIA case officer Vince Cannistraro has written that "they (MEMRI) are 
selective and act as propagandists for their political point of view, which 
is the extreme-right of Likud."

With characteristic bluntness. Norman Finkelstein has written: "MEMRI is a 
main arm of Israeli propaganda. Although widely used in the mainstream media 
as a source of information on the Arab world, it is as trustworthy as Julius 
Streicher's Der Sturmer was on the Jewish world." (Der Sturmer was a rabidly 
anti-Semitic newspaper, and Streicher a notoriously cruel Nazi.)

In an e-mail to InFocus, Cole characterized MEMRI as "a Right-Zionist 
propaganda organ, which usually does its propaganda unobtrusively, by being 
very selective in what it translates."

Indeed , MEMRI appears to view the Arab world as a malevolent, mind-numbing 
monsters' ball, populated almost exclusively by fanatics, freaks and 
fundamentalists.

Every story that could possibly make Middle Eastern people look deranged, 
hateful or diabolical gets translated; anything that could make them look 
informed, talented or admirable is ignored.

MEMRI says it covers reformers in the Arabic-speaking world, but longtime 
observers point out that people who make Islam or Arab culture look 
attractive rarely get translated, regardless of their position.

Nor does MEMRI feature stories about Palestinian suffering, Israeli 
dissenters, moderate Islamists, Christians in Arab governments or the 
growing nonviolent movement against the apartheid wall in the Occupied 
Territories, especially around Bal'in.

Instead, it promotes highly-edited footage featuring people like Wafa 
Sultan.

It was MEMRI that translated the sound bites from her famous al-Jazeera 
debate with Dr. Ibrahim al-Kouly that ended up on YouTube, making her an 
instant rock star to those who promote an international clash of cultures.

It is said by TV viewers who watched the entire debate that al-Kouly was 
rather patient with Sultan despite her extreme opinions.

(Among other things, Sultan has declared herself an atheist.) But MEMRI 
never bothered to translate and promote the whole debate.

MEMRI President Yigal Carmon was contacted to ask why the entire Sultan 
debate wasn't translated and circulated, at least in a print version.

"MEMRI couldn't do the whole interview because of the limitations of our 
resources," Carmon told InFocus. "And it was just our best judgment of what 
was fit to translate." He said he thought there was an "almost" complete 
version in the archives.

InFocus asked Carmon why MEMRI didn't post more stories about domestic 
events in Israel and the OTC.

"Eighty percent of such stories are already in English," Carmon said.

Then why not buy a few every week and send them out in order to give a more 
balanced picture of the Middle East, InFocus asked, "It probably wouldn't be 
legal ," he responded.

That brought up the thorny issue of copyright, ownership and power.

Why, Carmon was asked, does MEMRI copyright all the stories it translates, 
when most stories are written by Arab authors?

"Of course we copyright," Carmon told InFocus. "Once we translate a story 
into another language, it becomes ours, because it's our work."

To test this theory in an American context, InFocus contacted The New York 
Times.

"If you translate copy from the Times, it would still belong to us, because 
we originated it," said an employee of the Rights and Royalties Department 
who did not wish to be named.

When war and peace hangs on the translation of a single word or phrase, 
nuance is everything.

But can we trust the translator?

According its critics, until MEMRI starts translating Hebrew stories about 
the rightward drift of Israeli society, torture of Palestinians in Israeli 
jails, the forced exile of Ilan Pappe and Azmi Bishara, and the elevation of 
the neo-fascist Avigdor Lieberman to deputy prime minister of Israel, they 
aren't really covering all Middle Eastern media.

"I think it's a reliable assumption that anything MEMRI translates from the 
Middle East is going to be unreliable," Finkelstein said.

http://www.infocusnews.net/content/view/15069/302/ 




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Truth do not have to be "explained" they are self evident!

"FRANKIE LEE"  wrote in message 
news:f4bbfi$8b8$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg...
> Lord Jesus explicitly declares that many false prophets shall rise, and 
> they
> shall deceive many.Muhammed was a false prophet that can be understood
> without any mental gymnastics of the minds.
>
> He claimed that Angel Gabriel told him spiritual things. It was utterly
> false from all angles of observation and empirical evidence.
>
> Gabriel appeared to Daniel and Mary. As for Daniel's visitation, he showed
> him end-times matters. Mary was told of his conception which was by the
> Spirit of God, and he is the Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> Our entire world known of Gabriel visitations in the 70s was to a man 
> named
> (late) Roland Buck. (American). One Singaporean also had seen Gabriel, and
> he is one of the great prophets from Singapore, well known in Christian
> community, respected and loved by many.
>
> Muhammad claimed to be possessed by demons, and he told his wife Kartijah
> about it. It was she who persuaded him that he was wrong, and she was so
> much
> cleverer than him. His fits were a sign of demonic activities. In order to
> let our world see how evil and demoniacal he was, and for his testimony to
> be absolutely discredited, he had to do things worthy to that name.
>
> As a thief, he would lead bands of thugs to kill, maimed and robbed 
> innocent
> merchants. He had to be violent so as to be known as being possessed. 
> Having
> many wives was a custom for him, satisfying his insatiable lusts, and he
> must do more deeds that were abominable to the eyes of God. His sayings 
> must
> sound incoherent and illogical, so that sane man and woman can see the
> difference between a mad man and a decent one.
>
> Lest those who seek truths unable to see his falseness, his marriage to a 
> 6
> year old girl nailed it. Having sex with her at 9, it clearly stated for 
> all
> to know and to discuss, so that foolish people may excuse him and offer
> nonsensical excuses for him.Aisha, his child bride sayings had to be known
> for all to learn of her encounter with him.
>
> If people wanted to believe in a lie, they will go ahead.
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Let me answer some of the ridiculous questions, because nobody seems to 
> want
> to rebut such extreme slanders.
>
> They say:THE QUESTIONS NOBODY WANTS TO ANSWER -
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> What about the Bible? Who actually wrote it?
>
> ***Reply: As for Genesis accounts, Moses wrote it. Mathew wrote the book 
> on
> Mathew in the Bible. John wrote the gospel of John. There were about 40
> writers of the Bible. God inspired them to write it, or men of God spoke 
> the
> words so that writer recorded it.
>
> What was the original language of the Bible? (Hebrew? Aramaic?
> Koine Greek?)
>
> ***It was in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
> ---------
>
> NOTE: - The Bible was never in English during the time of any prophet (not
> even Muhammad) - because English did not exist until after 1066 AD!
>
> Does the Bible exist in the original form anywhere on earth? (No)
>
> ***This question is utterly foolish. The Jews kept the Torah, the five 
> books
> of Moses and the teachings of God.
> -----------
> Why does the Catholic Bible has seven (7) more books than the
> Protestant Bible?
>
> ***One could have Mormon extra book, or fake US dollar bills. The Bible
> consists of 66 books, and it is only one entirety, name as the Bible.
>
> Why do these two Bibles have different versions of the same books?
>
> ***Why do Chinese speak Mandarin, and Spanish people read Spanish words? 
> Why
> do people recite Aramaic Koran, not knowing its meaning and without
> understanding?
>
> It is a grave injustice that people cannot know God with a language they 
> can
> understand.
> ----------------------
> Why are there so many mistakes and errors  from the very first
> verse right up to the very last verse?
>
> ***What are those mistakes and errors? There are negligible mistakes that
> came from human errors, and such imperfection is only natural because of 
> the
> imperfections of man.
>
> To say there are so many mistakes and errors from the first verse to the
> last, obviously is a slander and unworthy remarks. Those who make this
> question fool himself.
> --------------
> Why do 'Born Again Christians' teach concepts that are not from
> the Bible?
>
> ***Born again Christians are not suddenly became matured. What is so 
> strange
> that some of their concepts are not from the Bible? If that is so, then 
> one
> should correct it so that it complies with the Bible.
>
> United Nations openly change many silly concepts of the Koran, and
> declaration of human rights help uncivilized people to sanity. Marrying a
> six year old girl is a crime. Mutilating of organs on young woman is
> forbidden, and is a barbaric act. The Sharia ways of cutting limbs and 
> legs
> are condemned world wide, and the throwing of stones at sinners are 
> terribly
> wicked. Polygamy is wrong.
> -----
> There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any
> language
>
> ***Jesus told his disciples to baptize converts in the name of the Father,
> Son and Holy Ghost. Is that not enough as a reference point, reasonably?
> Must the actual 'Trinity' be imprinted?
>
> It was a non issue to begin with.
>
> ---
> The oldest forms of Christianity do not support the 'born again'
> beliefs
>
> ***Jesus said that you must be born again, if anyone wishes to go to 
> Heaven.
> The oldest form of Christianity had always in support of it. It is in the
> Bible.Obviously, such nonsense of questions that are constantly being fed 
> to
> people, must have cause a dent in their misunderstanding of the Bible.
> -----
>  Jesus of the English Bible complains about the 'crucifixion'
> ("Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? - My God! My God! Why have You forsaken 
> me?")
> [Mk 15:34]
>
>  How can Jesus be the "Only Begotten Son" of John 3:16? When in
> Psalms 2:7 David is God's "Begotten Son?"
>
> Would a 'Just' God, a 'Fair' God, a 'Loving' God -- punish Jesus
> for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?
>
> What happens to people who died before Jesus came?
>
> What happens to those who never hear this message?
>
> What about innocent children who die although their parents are
> not Christian?
>
> Didn't God create Adam from dirt? -- So, why does he need Mary to
> make Jesus?
>
>  a.. And what about God?
>
> ***Jesus uttered the words that God had forsaken Him. God did leave Him to
> die for the sins of the world.
>
> ***David was not God's begotten son. All Christians are God's children.
>
> ***God who is Just ,so He will not punish a sinless man Jesus. It was 
> Jesus
> Himself
> who willingly laid down His life for us all.
>
> **Before Jesus came, those old saints went to Hell, were locked in place
> called Paradise situated in Hell under the earth.
>
> ***Those who never heard the message of God are lost forever.
>
> How can God create Himself?
> ***The details of how God could became a man, its wisdom only God knows.
>
> The details as to how a satellite could watch over us obviously the inner
> workings only known to scientist. But we know it can see us walking down 
> the
> road.
> ------
> a.. How can God be a man?
> b.. How can a man be a God?
> c.. How can God have a son?
>
> ***The basic idea that the word," God' is used, meaning, He had great
> ability and power and is a very highly intelligent Being, and that answer
> all
> your questions.
>
>  a.. The Bible says "Seth (is) the son of Adam" and that"Adam is the son 
> of
> God." [Lk 3:36]
>  b.. Can't God just forgive us and not have to kill Jesus?
>
> ***Can we go to a shopping market and get those stuffs without paying? If
> God could just forgive us, then He is no God. God cannot overlook
> Sins.Moreover; we must be changed from our bodies because of the 
> tendencies
> to sin, and to live in Heaven one need transformed bodies.
>
> Jesus did not even carry the cross --  Simon Cyre'ne, a passerby
> did!
>    b.. [Mk 15:21]
>
> ***You have many corrupted thoughts. Corrections for you. Jesus carried 
> his
> cross along the way only until he had no strength left and then Simon 
> helps
> him.
> -----------------
> a.. Jesus of the Bible was NOT on the cross for longer than six (6)
> hours -- NOT three days -- (from the 3rd to the 9th hour) [Mk 15:25 & 
> 15:33]
> b.. Jesus of the Bible did not spend three days and nights in the
> tomb -- Friday night - until Sunday before dawn -- is not 3 days and 
> nights!
> c.. Jesus DID NOT claim to be God - or even equal to God!
>
> ***If I am still writing at 1145 hours Friday that is one day. The third 
> day
> Sunday can be counted at 0001 hours.
>
> Isn't it silly to argue about semantics?
>
> ***You have renounced your religion by your questions already. If you are
> a honorable person
>
> Jesus did claim to be God. Jesus said, "Before Abraham existed, I am in
> existence."
>
> John wrote that, in the beginning was the Lord Jesus Christ, and He was 
> with
> God and He was God.
> For without Jesus, nothing was ever made.
>
> Paul wrote, He created all things.
>
> Jesus said," I have the keys of life, death and Hell". Those who want to 
> be
> saved therefore must come to Him, for He had paid all the penalties for
> humankind.
>
> All people can simply call on Him at anywhere, place and before death 
> only.
>
> Frankie Lee
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 




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"torresdD"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3409901,00.html
> Switzerland offers 'Holocaust perception' meet with Iran
>
>
> Swiss president secretly offers
> Iran to hold 'perceptions of Holocaust'
> conference in Geneva.
>
> Proposal nixed amid Swiss political objections.
>
> 'The Swiss government owes an
> apology to all Holocaust survivors,' says ADL
 "Survivors" will keep surviving until they empty Swiss banks 




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Abu Gharib guard admits to rape of 15 year old girl on tape
By: Spies_and_Traitors_will_be_Shot on: 08.06.2007 [03:25 ] (333 reads)


      In this video a man whos face is hidden is talking to two other men 
and states that he was an ex prison gaurd in Abu Ghraib. He states that 
innocent people were arrested and abused in Abu Ghraib. He states that all 
"Hajis" are "fair game". He also talks taking part in raping a 15 year old 
Iraqi girl who was taken captive and prostituted out to american soldiers. 
He states that the girl commited suicide after being raped 10 times in one 
day.



      (1311 bytes) [c]

Video here.

At first i considered the possibility that this was fake, but after 
listening to it to the end, i know that it isn't. It all just makes sense 
now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba_qqP2Fmuc

This video comes in from Infowars 'IraqSlogger.com'. The U.S. Army's 
Criminal Investigation Division has opened an investigation into this video, 
which was first posted on their site last week.

This video purports to show a former guard from Abu Ghraib talking about 
torture techniques employed at the American-run prison. The man also 
recounts the gang rape of a female teenage detainee, in which one guard 
"pimped" the girl to others for $50 each. As he recalls, "I think at the end 
of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung herself." (more)

"the CIA taught us alot"

"why did they let the pictures come out?"

"no one expected, compared to what we where doing everday, to a couple of 
hadji's, making them walk around and bark like a dog, what's the big deal? 
.... never expected anyone to get all upset."

He hides his face. As criminals often do, he wants people to know what he 
got away with, but doesn't want to get caught.
Nothing will happen because there are no photos... and people will want to 
belive it's all fake.

But we all of us here know, it's the truth. 


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AND "HOMERLAND SECURITY" IS NOW KGB!z

I travel by car in Europe on regular basis. I drove from Pris to Barcelona, 
Barcelona to Salobrena, salobrena to Malaga. Crosed over to Rabat and back. 
I crossed at least a dozen borders including several of what is known as 
Soviet block. Never once was I asked to show my passport. Drivers license 
sufficed. Even Croatia and Bosnia do not require you to have a passport.

THAT IS UNTIL YOU GET TO THE UNITED STATES!

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is poised to suspend a major post-9/11 
security initiative to cope with increasingly angry complaints from 
Americans whose summer vacations are threatened by new passport rules.

A proposal set to be announced as early as Friday will temporarily waive a 
requirement that U.S. passports be used for air travel to and from Canada 
and Mexico, provided the traveler can prove he or she has already applied 
for a passport, officials said Thursday.

The suspension in the rules is aimed at clearing a massive backlog of 
passport applications at the State Department that has slowed processing to 
a crawl, they said. Some officials said the change would last several 
months; others said as long as six months.

But the plan had run into opposition from the

Homeland Security Department, which controls U.S. border points and fears 
the move could make it easier for terrorists or other undesirables to enter 
the country, the officials said.

Instead of a passport, travelers will now be able to present a State 
Department receipt showing their passport application is being processed, 
and a government-issued ID such as a driver's license.

Homeland Security signed off on the proposal on Thursday after consultations 
with the State Department, the White House and members of Congress, who have 
been deluged with complaints from furious constituents, according to four 
officials at the agencies involved.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision has not 
yet been announced.

"This is pre-decisional, and I have no comment," DHS spokesman Russ Knocke 
said.

Under the plan, those without passports would receive additional security 
scrutiny when they travel, which could include extra questioning or bag 
checks, according to one official familiar with the discussions.

The suspension will give the State Department time to deal with a surge in 
applications that has overwhelmed its processing centers since the new rules 
took effect earlier this year.

The backlog has caused up to three-month delays in issuing passports and 
ruined or delayed the travel plans of untold thousands of Americans.

Frustrated lawmakers besieged with constituent complaints have demanded 
relief.

Rep. Thomas Reynolds (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., whose district lies 
near the Canadian border, said White House officials have been on Capitol 
Hill trying to work out a compromise amid what he called a turf war between 
State and Homeland Security.

"White House personnel have seen the problem and they've been on Capitol 
Hill working with members," said Reynolds. "I expect a plan to be 
forthcoming that ... would not require a passport as long as you had an 
application receipt for filing for the passport."

The State Department has hired hundreds of new passport adjudicators, put 
employees to work around the clock and opened a new processing facility in 
Arkansas but has still been unable to meet the demand.

Initial hopes that the delays could be overcome were dashed this month when 
more than a million requests for new passports were dumped at once on the 
facilities by banks contracted to clear application fee checks, a senior 
State Department official said.

The passport application surge is the result of the Western Hemisphere 
Travel Initiative that since January has required U.S. citizens to use 
passports when entering the United States from Canada, Mexico and the 
Caribbean by air.

Caribbean destinations are not included in the suspension, the officials 
said.

The travel initiative, which next year will require either passports or 
yet-to-be developed wallet-sized passcards to be presented at land border 
crossings, is part of a broader package of immigration rules enacted after 
the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

It has caused deep annoyance, particularly from those who live in border 
states and make routine, legal crossings into Canada and Mexico for business 
and pleasure.

Rep. Heather Wilson (news, bio, voting record), R-N.M, whose state is on the 
Mexican border, said she had been calling on State and Homeland Security to 
implement a suspension for two weeks.

"I said, 'You need to take action. This is completely screwed up'," she 
said. "To say people must have a passport to travel and not give people a 
passport is right up there in the stupid column."

Wilson said her office took more than 500 calls in May alone from 
constituents struggling to get passports and the problem has spread from 
border states to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kansas and Colorado.

Between March and May of this year, the department issued more than 4.5 
million passports, a 60 percent increase over the same period in 2006, but 
millions more applications are waiting to be processed, according to 
consular affairs officials.

The demand is such that the State Department has warned applicants to allow 
as long as 12 weeks for their passports to be issued and up to three weeks 
for expedited processing at an extra fee. Previously, the maximum wait was 
six weeks and two weeks, respectively.

In the meantime, would-be foreign travelers stew and fret.

Angela Pezzimenti, a recent college graduate from Allegany, N.Y., barely got 
her passport in time to make a trip to Europe last month.

"It was nerve-racking," said the 21-year-old, who finally received her 
passport three days before the trip. "I was really afraid that it wasn't 
going to come in time. We had everything planned, our tickets were bought, 
and I was pretty worried."

Wendy Berry of Franklin, W.Va., applied in March for a passport for her 
18-year-old son, Jonathan. But the day he was to leave to visit his sister 
in Peru, his passport hadn't come.

"There are two things I wish they would do," she said of the government. 
"The only really responsible party is the passport office. I wish they would 
be held accountable. And I wish they would staff more people. The whole 
system is ready to collapse."

___

Associated Press writer Jennifer Talhelm contributed to this report.


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BOOZED ON GERMAN BEER, HE OVERSLEPT, AND MISSED THE MEETING WITH THE SOOPER 
ARSED GERMAN BITCH 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 8, 12:27 pm, Al Smith  wrote:
>> > The utter hypocrisy of the British National Union of Journalists,
>> > which recently voted to boycott only Israel, has now become evident in
>> > the face of the silence over the recent move by Venezuelan Dictator
>> > Hugo Chavez to suppress dissent by the media in his leftist regime.
>>
>> The Israeli regime is kidnapping, torturing, and murdering people
>> left and right. So far crazy Hugo hasn't gotten up to comparable
>> tricks.
>
> Well if you and your bigoted butt-buddies like Hugo and company
> wowuldn't encourage Israel and the United States immoral despicable
> terrorist enemies to keep attacking Israel at every chance, then their
> would be any need for Israeli self defense, now would there?

israeli occupation of palestine is the longest occupation in the history of 
modern world. GET THE FUCK OUT OF PALESTINE LONG SCHNOOZLED SONS OF WHORES! 
OUT, NOW! 




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 OUT OF PALESTINE JEWISH SCUM! 




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"Al Smith"  wrote in message 
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>> The utter hypocrisy of the British National Union of Journalists,
>> which recently voted to boycott only Israel, has now become evident in
>> the face of the silence over the recent move by Venezuelan Dictator
>> Hugo Chavez to suppress dissent by the media in his leftist regime.
>
>
> The Israeli regime is kidnapping, torturing, and murdering people left and 
> right. So far crazy Hugo hasn't gotten up to comparable tricks.
>
> -Al-
So is the United States. The so called soldiers, rape children demolish 
artifacts, steal people's money and torture people 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 8, 11:16 am, hillelg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 9:02 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>>
>> > for once in your life try to make an opinion by yourself instead
>>
>> ...says the one who post post-WWII German bullshit, about the
>> Germans being the victims of the war and the "the jews
>> themselves were very eager to betray their own kind."

They most certainly were. Read Shahak, he knew he was in the Warsaw ghetto! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 8, 11:02 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> "DoD"  schreef in 
>> berichtnews:1181318264.703432.217000@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> for once in your life try to make an opinion by yourself instead of 
>> posting
>> that frontpage shit.
>
> You don't like it, you are welcome to killfile me or just not read it.
> I don't post it for *your* benefit.

Front Page, just like Memri are ZioNazi propaganda sites 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 7, 8:13 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>>  >> It could be, or it could actually be the totals collected by the Red
>>
>> >> Cross after the war.
>>
>> > Yeah, right.  An archive consisting of one page.
>>
>> One page is just a sample. The rest can be found in many thousands of
>> documents that completely destroy the ZioNazi version of events.
>>
>> besides, didn't you say that you can prove that 6 million Jews were 
>> killed
>> by Hitler? Where is your proof. I would even be satisfied if you could 
>> prove
>> the simple fact that there were more than three million Jews available 
>> for
>> Hitler to kill!
>
>   The Nazis THEMSELVES estimated eleven million Jews in the
> territories that they controlled.
LIAR! WORLD ALMANACH SHOWS 11 MILLION JEWS IN THE WHOLE WORLD. MOST OF THE 
JEWS OF GERMANY AUSTRIA AND POLAND FUCKED OFF LONG BEFORE ADOLF GOT TO THEM
>
> Michael
> 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 6, 11:10 pm, "Avenger"  wrote:
>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181175642.320815.122820@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 6, 8:03 pm, Theodore Herzl  wrote:
>> >> Sure looks legitimate to me, and it came from the Russian
>> >> Archives.     Do note that it mentions West Germany in the document,
>> >> which of course means it was a post war report.   That would explain
>> >> why they had to build fake gas chambers and make up wild
>> >> stories.....it never happened!!!!!
>>
>> > That one single document, as I stated, could be just one page from the
>> > archive, not the entire volume.  It could represent a month's worth of
>> > deaths, a week, etc., not the entire duration of the Holocaust.
>>
>> > Face it, Jeffy, there is no spin in the world that will ever
>> > legitamize the fraud you espouse called "Revisionism."
>>
>> Revisionism is good. History is always being revised as more facts come 
>> to
>> light.
>   Facts are something Nazis are not familiar with.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW, IDIOT? WORLD ALMANACH FIGURES SHOW NO DECLINE IN 
THE NUMBERS OF JEWS BETWEEN 1939 AND 1946, THAT IS A FACT !
>
>
> Michael
> 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:32:22 EDT 2007
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 AND SEND JEWS PACKING OUT OF PALESTINE, NOW! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:32:22 EDT 2007
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Subject: SAVAGERY OF THE THIRD DEGREE, CHILDREN TORTURED, IMPRISONED BY USA
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CIA 'disappeared' seven-year-old children
By: atheo on: 08.06.2007 [17:39 ] (48 reads)

     by Desha Priya


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Children as young as seven years old were 'forcibly disappeared' by the CIA, 
according to report published today jointly by six human rights groups 
naming 39 people who are believed to have been held in secret US custody and 
whose current whereabouts remain unknown.

The list-drafted by Amnesty International, Cageprisoners, the Center for 
Constitutional Rights (CCR), the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice 
at New York University School of Law, Human Rights Watch, and Reprieve-draws 
together information from government and media sources, as well as from 
interviews with former prisoners and other witnesses.

The 21-page briefing paper, Off the Record: U.S. Responsibility for Enforced 
Disappearances in the "War on Terror," includes detailed information about 
four people named as "disappeared" prisoners for the first time. The full 
list of people includes nationals from countries including Egypt, Kenya, 
Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, and Spain. They are believed to have been arrested 
in countries including Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Sudan, and 
transferred to secret US detention centers.

The report details aspects of the CIA detention program that the US 
government has actively tried to conceal, such as the locations where 
prisoners may have been held, the mistreatment they endured, and the 
countries to which they may have been transferred.

It reveals how suspects' relatives, including wives and children as young as 
seven, have been held in secret detention. In September 2002, Khalid Sheikh 
Mohammed's two young sons, aged seven and nine, were arrested. According to 
eyewitnesses, the two were held in an adult detention center for at least 
four months while U.S. agents questioned the children about their father's 
whereabouts.

Similarly, when Tanzanian national Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was seized in 
Gujarat, Pakistan, in July 2004, his Uzbek wife was detained with him.

On September 6, 2006, President George W. Bush revealed that the United 
States runs a system of secret detention in the "War on Terror," but he did 
not disclose how many individuals were secretly detained.

According to the rights groups, enforced disappearances involve violations 
of treaties binding on the United States, including the International 
Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention against Torture 
and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading reatment or Punishment. They also 
violate international humanitarian law.

The human rights groups are calling on the Bush administration to put a 
permanent end to the CIA's secret detention and interrogation program, and 
to disclose the identities, fate, and whereabouts of all detainees currently 
or previously held at secret facilities operated or overseen by the US 
government as part of the "War on Terror."

http://pressesc.com/01181202133_39_names_enforced_disappearences 


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From:  Venceremos 
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On Jun 8, 2:57 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3410332,00.html
> Muslim graveyard vandalized
>
> Jewish worshippers
> desecrate Palestinian cemetery,
> break tombstones,
> write 'Death to Arabs' on graves
>
> Efrat Weiss Published:
> 06.08.07, 19:01 / Israel News
>
> Dozens of Jewish worshippers desecrated
> a Muslim cemetery in a Palestinian village
> near Arial on Friday.
>
> The worshippers broke some tombstones,
> and wrote "Death to Arabs" on others.
>
> Noaf, a resident of a nearby village,
> said that the worshippers arrived at
> the cemetery escorted by soldiers.
>
> "Several of them entered a
> nearby Muslim cemetery,
> broke tombstones,
> and wrote things on them such
> as "Death to Arabs".
>
> I don't know exactly how many
> tombstones were desecrated.
>
> We were under curfew during
> their worship time, and they
> came and did this," he said.
>
>  Rabbi Arik Asherman,
> head of Rabbis for Human Rights,
> denounced the incident.
>
> "As rabbis, we protest this desecration
> and are reminded of our pain when such
> acts are committed against us."
>
> According to an official IDF response,
> the entry of Jewish worshippers into
> the cemetery was approved.
>
>  "On the whole,
> about 1,300 people entered the place,
> most acting wonderfully,
> as is appropriate upon
> entering a sacred place.
>
> Unfortunately,
> a handful of worshippers chose to
> create a provocation and vandalize
> Palestinian graves," the IDF statement said.
>
> The IDF also said that an official
> complaint was sent to the worshippers' leaders.
>
> "The IDF has agreed with leaders of the
> worshippers that they would be responsible
> for repairing the damages as early as next week."

SAVAGES! WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM THE BASTARDS?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:32:24 EDT 2007
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 Those muslims who beat their wives are comitting a crime in Islamic and 
civil law, any muslim will tell you that.

Considering the simple fact that 260 women and children, a day are raped or 
murdered,in United States, or both by the members of their own families, 
your criticism of muslims has no value at all. 




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 wrote in message news:ULgai.20$3Q4.1@trnddc05...
>
> On  8-Jun-2007, DoD  wrote:
>
>> Following is an interview with President of Al-Azhar University and
>> former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News
>> TV on May 25, 2007.
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it
>> appeared as part of a program to reform the wife. [According to the
>> Koran], first "admonish them," [then] "sleep in separate beds, and
>> beat them."
>>
>> Interviewer: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious
>> woman...
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: Of course. It's not that anybody can start beating as
>> he sees fit. [Westerners] who claim this talk about an Islam which is
>> a figment of their imagination. They are villains because they know
>> there's no such thing in Islam
>
> Except didn't he just get saying it's a "figment of our imagination"?
> Which is it? A lie or a mistake?
>
> , and they want to pin this
>> interpretation on it. Why? Because Islamic culture is the only culture
>> that is spreading
>
> If it were, they wouldn't be so hysterical about (for example)
> American culture. In fact, if this were so, the Saudis would
> allow non-Islamic/non-Saudi culture into Saudia Arabia....

Culture? Culture? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message 
> news:Ea4ai.28591$JQ3.16997@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message 
>> news:1181273717.652431.205210@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jun 7, 9:14 pm, Venceremos  wrote:
>>>> On Jun 7, 5:21 pm, DoD  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Most people have short memories, but here's something that calls for
>>>> > remembering:
>>>>
>>>> > Last year, Front Page Magazine ran an article about links between the
>>>> > International Solidarity Movement (ISM) and the London bombings on 
>>>> > 7/7
>>>> > that left 52 dead and hundreds wounded.
>>>>
>>>> > Evidence back then showed that the explosives used in the London
>>>> > subway attacks were found by British and Israeli intelligence
>>>> > officials to be remarkably similar to those used in a 2003 bombing of
>>>> > the "Mike's Place" bar in Israel.
>>>>
>>>> OF COURSE THEY ARE THE SAME! THEY WERE BOTH SUPPLIED TO THE PATSIES BY
>>>> MOSSAD!
>>>
>>> Can you detail to us how this was done?
>>
>> CAN YOU DETAIL HOW AND WHY ISM WOULD HELP VIOLENCE?
>
> For one, the had Rachel Corrie killed.  Two they aid terrorist groups, 
> like Hamas.
 WHAT A DESPEAKABLE DISGUSTING FUCKING LIAR, YOU ARE USTASHA! 




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"Jedi"  wrote in message 
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>
> ElParedon wrote:
>> CIA 'disappeared' seven-year-old children
>> By: atheo on: 08.06.2007 [17:39 ] (48 reads)
>>
>>      by Desha Priya
>>
>>
>>       (2876 bytes) [c]
>>
>>
>> Children as young as seven years old were 'forcibly disappeared' by the 
>> CIA,
>> according to report published today jointly by six human rights groups
>> naming 39 people who are believed to have been held in secret US custody 
>> and
>> whose current whereabouts remain unknown.
>>
>> The list-drafted by Amnesty International, Cageprisoners, the Center for
>> Constitutional Rights (CCR), the Center for Human Rights and Global 
>> Justice
>> at New York University School of Law, Human Rights Watch, and 
>> Reprieve-draws
>> together information from government and media sources, as well as from
>> interviews with former prisoners and other witnesses.
>>
>> The 21-page briefing paper, Off the Record: U.S. Responsibility for 
>> Enforced
>> Disappearances in the "War on Terror," includes detailed information 
>> about
>> four people named as "disappeared" prisoners for the first time. The full
>> list of people includes nationals from countries including Egypt, Kenya,
>> Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, and Spain. They are believed to have been 
>> arrested
>> in countries including Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Sudan, and
>> transferred to secret US detention centers.
>>
>> The report details aspects of the CIA detention program that the US
>> government has actively tried to conceal, such as the locations where
>> prisoners may have been held, the mistreatment they endured, and the
>> countries to which they may have been transferred.
>>
>> It reveals how suspects' relatives, including wives and children as young 
>> as
>> seven, have been held in secret detention. In September 2002, Khalid 
>> Sheikh
>> Mohammed's two young sons, aged seven and nine, were arrested. According 
>> to
>> eyewitnesses, the two were held in an adult detention center for at least
>> four months while U.S. agents questioned the children about their 
>> father's
>> whereabouts.
>>
>> Similarly, when Tanzanian national Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was seized in
>> Gujarat, Pakistan, in July 2004, his Uzbek wife was detained with him.
>>
>> On September 6, 2006, President George W. Bush revealed that the United
>> States runs a system of secret detention in the "War on Terror," but he 
>> did
>> not disclose how many individuals were secretly detained.
>>
>> According to the rights groups, enforced disappearances involve 
>> violations
>> of treaties binding on the United States, including the International
>> Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention against Torture
>> and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading reatment or Punishment. They also
>> violate international humanitarian law.
>>
>> The human rights groups are calling on the Bush administration to put a
>> permanent end to the CIA's secret detention and interrogation program, 
>> and
>> to disclose the identities, fate, and whereabouts of all detainees 
>> currently
>> or previously held at secret facilities operated or overseen by the US
>> government as part of the "War on Terror."
>>
>> http://pressesc.com/01181202133_39_names_enforced_disappearences
>>
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>
> The two children of the Alqaeda terrorist master mind of 9/11 Khalid
> Sheikh Mohammed, who beheaded journalist Daniel Perle and who is the
> uncle of the 1st World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Binalshib. Yes I'd
> say it's okay to detain them for questioning. But Elparedon and his
> clones like to blame the victims of terror instead of the terrorists.

SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE LAW THAT SAYS THAT THE FAMILY OF 
A CRIMINAL, IS EXEMPT OF PROSECUTION. DID WE ARREST THE FAMILY OF AL CAPONE, 
WHO MURDERED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER U.S.?

DID THEY ARREST THE FAMILY OF JIMMY JONES WHO MURDERED ALMOST 1,000 PEOPLE 
IN ONE MORNING? i GUESS NOT!

AND WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAW SOMETIME, JEDI, I HOPE THEY ARREST YOUR WIFE, PUT 
HER IN ABU GHRAIB AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH HER! 




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"Jedi"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 8, 4:12 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Jedi"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181353769.727743.170010@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > ElParedon wrote:
>> >> CIA 'disappeared' seven-year-old children
>> >> By: atheo on: 08.06.2007 [17:39 ] (48 reads)
>>
>> >>      by Desha Priya
>>
>> >>       (2876 bytes) [c]
>>
>> >> Children as young as seven years old were 'forcibly disappeared' by 
>> >> the
>> >> CIA,
>> >> according to report published today jointly by six human rights groups
>> >> naming 39 people who are believed to have been held in secret US 
>> >> custody
>> >> and
>> >> whose current whereabouts remain unknown.
>>
>> >> The list-drafted by Amnesty International, Cageprisoners, the Center 
>> >> for
>> >> Constitutional Rights (CCR), the Center for Human Rights and Global
>> >> Justice
>> >> at New York University School of Law, Human Rights Watch, and
>> >> Reprieve-draws
>> >> together information from government and media sources, as well as 
>> >> from
>> >> interviews with former prisoners and other witnesses.
>>
>> >> The 21-page briefing paper, Off the Record: U.S. Responsibility for
>> >> Enforced
>> >> Disappearances in the "War on Terror," includes detailed information
>> >> about
>> >> four people named as "disappeared" prisoners for the first time. The 
>> >> full
>> >> list of people includes nationals from countries including Egypt, 
>> >> Kenya,
>> >> Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, and Spain. They are believed to have been
>> >> arrested
>> >> in countries including Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Sudan, and
>> >> transferred to secret US detention centers.
>>
>> >> The report details aspects of the CIA detention program that the US
>> >> government has actively tried to conceal, such as the locations where
>> >> prisoners may have been held, the mistreatment they endured, and the
>> >> countries to which they may have been transferred.
>>
>> >> It reveals how suspects' relatives, including wives and children as 
>> >> young
>> >> as
>> >> seven, have been held in secret detention. In September 2002, Khalid
>> >> Sheikh
>> >> Mohammed's two young sons, aged seven and nine, were arrested. 
>> >> According
>> >> to
>> >> eyewitnesses, the two were held in an adult detention center for at 
>> >> least
>> >> four months while U.S. agents questioned the children about their
>> >> father's
>> >> whereabouts.
>>
>> >> Similarly, when Tanzanian national Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was seized 
>> >> in
>> >> Gujarat, Pakistan, in July 2004, his Uzbek wife was detained with him.
>>
>> >> On September 6, 2006, President George W. Bush revealed that the 
>> >> United
>> >> States runs a system of secret detention in the "War on Terror," but 
>> >> he
>> >> did
>> >> not disclose how many individuals were secretly detained.
>>
>> >> According to the rights groups, enforced disappearances involve
>> >> violations
>> >> of treaties binding on the United States, including the International
>> >> Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention against 
>> >> Torture
>> >> and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading reatment or Punishment. They 
>> >> also
>> >> violate international humanitarian law.
>>
>> >> The human rights groups are calling on the Bush administration to put 
>> >> a
>> >> permanent end to the CIA's secret detention and interrogation program,
>> >> and
>> >> to disclose the identities, fate, and whereabouts of all detainees
>> >> currently
>> >> or previously held at secret facilities operated or overseen by the US
>> >> government as part of the "War on Terror."
>>
>> >>http://pressesc.com/01181202133_39_names_enforced_disappearences
>>
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>> > The two children of the Alqaeda terrorist master mind of 9/11 Khalid
>> > Sheikh Mohammed, who beheaded journalist Daniel Perle and who is the
>> > uncle of the 1st World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Binalshib. Yes I'd
>> > say it's okay to detain them for questioning. But Elparedon and his
>> > clones like to blame the victims of terror instead of the terrorists.
>>
>> SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE LAW THAT SAYS THAT THE FAMILY 
>> OF
>> A CRIMINAL, IS EXEMPT OF PROSECUTION. DID WE ARREST THE FAMILY OF AL 
>> CAPONE,
>> WHO MURDERED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER U.S.?
>>
>> DID THEY ARREST THE FAMILY OF JIMMY JONES WHO MURDERED ALMOST 1,000 
>> PEOPLE
>> IN ONE MORNING? i GUESS NOT!
>>
>> AND WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAW SOMETIME, JEDI, I HOPE THEY ARREST YOUR WIFE, 
>> PUT
>> HER IN ABU GHRAIB AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH HER!
>
>
> You do not understand the moslem terrorist enemy.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT! I AM A MUSLIM, I AM NO TERRORIST AND KNOW NO MUSLIM WHO IS 
ONE. THIS IS ALL MADE UP CRAP, INTENDED TO DISCREDIT THE MOST PEACEFUL 
RELIGION ON EARTH

Their attacks are by
> surprise and made to inflict the most civilian casualties.
BULLSHIT! THAT IS WHAT JEWS DO, AND U.S. TROOPS ALSO IN FALLUJAH ALONE TENS 
OF THOSANDS OF CORPSES STILL LAY BURIED BELOW THE RUBBLE AND YOU ARE 
SHITTING THROUGH YOUR FILTHY TRAP.

Thus their
> crimes cannot be logically justified and intelligence of the attacks
> and preemption before it happens is the only countermeasure.
WHAT CRIMES ARE THESE, IDIOT? THE CRIME OF PROTECTING THEIR LAND FROM 
DESTRUCTION, THEIR FAMILIES FROM BEING MURDERED AND THEIR HERITAGE FROM 
BEING DESTROYED BY THE SAVAGES?

That is
> the reason for detention and interrogation of anyone in contact with
> them, to simply save more innocent lives.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MISTREATMENT AND TORTURE BY ANYONE ANYWHERE, UNLESS 
YOU WANT YOURSELF TORTURED IN THE SAME MANNER WHEN THE TIME COMES
>
> Moslem terrorists have started this merciless assymetrical  warfare
> which targets civilians of law abiding nations.
THAT IS A LIE!  PALESTINE HAS BEEN INVADED AND TAKEN OVER BY THE JEWS. THIS 
IS NOT A LAND THAT BELONGS TO RUSSIANS, EVEN IF THEIR FAITH IS JEW

 Their surpise attacks
> on humanity are global and ongoing.
FUCK OFF. LIAR!z

Thus they bring suffering to
> anyone in contact with them including their families.
FILTHY BASTARD! I VISIT MUSLIM COUNTRIES REGULARLY, I HAVE NEVER FELT SAFER 
ANYWHERE THAN AMONGST THE MUSLIMS

They alone are
> responsible for the results of their actions not their victims.
THEIR ACTIONS ARE PEACEFUL. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MUSLIM LANDS AND LEAVE 
MUSLIMS ALONE THEY WILL NOT BOTHER ANYONE.  OCCPY THEM AND THEY WILL KILL 
YOU!
>
> 




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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=777046699234389996 




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      June 8, 2007

      On March 15, 2005, Agence France News Agency published a press release 
that was short, yet chilling. Tariq Aziz, the Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq 
who is being illegally held in prison, appealed to the world for help for 
him and his imprisoned comrades in a note that literally had to be smuggled 
out of the building. The plea was hand-written on the pages of a lawyer's 
pocket calendar. The lawyer was present as Aziz was being grilled by a 
United Nations panel investigating corruption in Iraq's oil-for-food 
program. It read:

      To the world public opinion: we hope that you will help us . We need 
fair treatment, a fair investigation and finally, a fair trial. Please help 
us.

      We have been (text not clear) for a long time and we have been cut out 
of our families, no contacts or phones, no letters, even no parcels sent to 
us by our families and not one given to us.

      Other than Saddam Hussein, Tariq Aziz was the most recognizable face 
that the western world saw from Iraq between 1990 and 2003. Many times, he 
appeared in press conferences giving the Iraqi side to the stories 
fabricated by the U.S. He was eloquent by any standards in a language that 
was not his first (English). Watching him speak was a treat to those of us 
who did not buy into the U.S. fabrications about Iraq. When he finished a 
speech, the listener came away with not only his current message, but 
information about world history and sociology as well.

      For instance, about six months before the illegal March 2003 invasion, 
a speech by Aziz was carried by the U.S. network C-SPAN, that was an 
in-depth lecture about how revolution and terrorism were opposing forces. 
This was during the time when the Bush administration was giving a 
full-court press to the absurd concept that Saddam Hussein and Osam 
bin-Laden were in cahoots in attempting to destroy the U.S.

      I was mesmerized by Aziz' mastery of the English language as well as 
the sociological information he brought forth. No U.S. or British professor 
could have exceeded his eloquence.

      Today, Tariq Aziz rots in a prison cell. He does not know where he is 
and neither does his family. His incarceration, as well as that of the other 
imprisoned Iraqi government officials, is a blight that the world should be 
ashamed of.

      Part of the U.S. arsenal is to humiliate people beyond the norms of 
human behavior. Aziz is now in the middle of such a program.

      Much of U.S. culture is based on humiliation. In sports, business, 
education, and many other cultural pursuits, this humiliation is standard 
fare in the American psyche, so it is easy to see why the administration 
uses these methods against its "enemies." I once wrote a piece concerning 
how the U.S. tried to humiliate President Saddam Hussein in depicting his 
capture; showing him to be a coward on the run. Fortunately, the truth did 
emerge and it differed considerably from what was shown on TV and published 
in the print media. Saddam was captured at a friend's house while shooting 
it out with U.S. military personnel.

      Demonizing a leader who disagrees with the U.S. is a successful manner 
in which to con the U.S. public. Despite all the truth eventually emerging, 
the citizenry of America still believes the lies every time they are told. 
And, the lies are big: the bigger, the more the U.S. public believes them.

      Saddam Hussein was crazy. Psychologists (in all probability U.S. 
administration employees posing as doctors) wrote that he was nuts because 
his left eyebrow was at a different angle from his right one. The public 
bought it. Saddam was a madman who must be stopped.

      Manuel Noriega, the former president of Panama was depicted in the 
same terms. And, he was kidnapped by the U.S.

      In 1993, the U.S. went into Somalia and after a few months changed 
strides and began to demonize Mohamed Aidid. Instead of being a nationalist 
who was fighting for his country, Aidid was again portrayed as a madman.

      A little-known fact behind the demonizing of Aidid is the identity of 
the author of the scenario. The infamous April Glaspie, the U.S. ambassador 
to Iraq in 1990 who met with Saddam Hussein in July of that year and made 
the statement, "We (U.S.) take no opinion in Arab to Arab matters," was 
assigned to Somalia in June 1993 to up the ante. She created anti-Aidid 
propaganda and the so-called humanitarian mission changed into a manhunt for 
Aidid.

      The U.S. is masterful at creating enemies and depicting them as crazed 
madmen. It is also masterful at kidnapping and assassinating foreign 
leaders. Saddam Hussein had been the target of many a U.S. missile or bomb 
since 1991, as well as CIA-inspired plots from inside Iraq. He survived all 
and only could be put down by a bogus court that was set up by the U.S. Even 
seconds before his death, he was defiant and refused to "repent" to U.S. 
demands.

      The U.S. invasion of Iraq was declared illegal by the U.N. 
Secretary-General Kofi Anan. We all know that is was illegal. If so, how can 
the U.S. be allowed to kill or kidnap members of a legal government and not 
be held accountable? This is the question that the world should be 
discussing.

      Instead, most countries ignore the plight of the imprisoned leaders. 
Many are outright afraid of a U.S. reprisal, either in the form of military 
action, or the taking away of funds used to buy off the countries. Others, 
such as Arab countries who once benefited from Saddam Hussein's Iraq, are 
just willing to keep their mouths shut because their leaders do not want to 
lose the money the U.S. gives them and by not speaking up about Iraq, they 
are allowed to keep their medieval societies in place without opposition 
>from U.S. propaganda. So much for the U.S. crusade for "democracy" in the 
world.

      The current state of the imprisoned Iraqi government officials 
transcends the plight of a dozen or so individuals. Several suffered the 
same fate as Saddam and ended up at the end of the hangman's noose. Others 
are being tried and will also be hanged because of the verdict of a kangaroo 
court. The world has been sent a message that is even more dire than that of 
the invasion of Iraq: it has been given notice that the U.S. can and will do 
anything it wants at any time it wants and there will be no opposition. 
Never in the history of the world has such power been given to any one 
nation.

      The peace groups who once massed in cities worldwide to protest the 
impending war against Iraq are now mute on the subject of the incarcerated 
Iraqi government. Most have bought into the administration's line of "what's 
done is done." They have taken their signs home and thrown them in the 
trash.

      We should be seeing a worldwide movement that could define the history 
of this planet. We should be seeing massive numbers of people protesting the 
plight of Tariq Aziz and his comrades. Baghdad should be the destination of 
millions of fair-minded people to create an atmosphere of protest that no 
one can ignore. Instead, we hear silence.

      There are a few leaders who have stood up for justice in Iraq. 
Presidents Fidel Castro of Cuba and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela are two. 
However, they both are in the cross-hairs of U.S. policy and they know they 
will be targets, but they have let their integrity rule, instead of fear or 
greed. How long will they stay alive?

      Terrorism is rampant today in the world. Never have their been so many 
terrorist activities; daily and worldwide. The headquarters for the largest, 
most efficient, most well-armed and most dangerous terrorist organization in 
the world are located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, in Washington, D.C., 
U.S.A.







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Worth quoting in this connection is a passage from the prominent Jewish
writer Arthur Koestler. He told this curious but little-known story in his
1976 book The Thirteenth Tribe: [T]he large majority of surviving Jews in
the world is of Eastern European-and thus mainly of Khazar-origin. If so,
this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the
Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus . . . and that genetically they
are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the
seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Should this turn out to be the case, then
the term "anti-Semitism" would become void of meaning . . . The story of the
Khazar empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the
most cruel hoax which history had ever perpetrated. Corroborating Koestler,
a noted French Jew, Prof. Maxime Rodinson, has observed: "it is very
probable that the so-called Arab inhabitants of Palestine . . . have much
more of the ancient Hebrews' 'blood' than most of the Jews of the diaspora,
whose religious exclusiveness in no way prevented them from absorbing
converts of various religions." It will surely be acknowledged, then, that
for such people to denounce Palestinian Arabs as "anti-Semites" for
resisting the Khazar-Zionist seizure of their millennia-old homes and lands
must be close to the height (or depth) of what these folks smirkingly call
chutzpah. (Talk About Hate, by William N. Grimstad, Council on Hate Crimes
Injustice, 1999)


31 As early as the 17th century, controversies arose as to the theory of the
inspiration of the Bible, which led certain theologians to change the
formula from, "The Bible is the Word of God," to, "The Bible contains the
Word of God."


BIBLIOGRAPHY:


Ahlstrom, Gosta W., The History of Ancient Palestine,


Augsburg Fortress Publishers, 1993.


Bright, John,A History of Israel, 4th ed., Westminster


John Knox Press, 2000.


Dever, William G., What Did the Biblical Writers Know


and When Did They Know It?: What Archaeology Can Tell Us


About the Reality of Ancient Israel, Wm. B. Eerdmans


Publishing Co., 2002.


Dever, William G., Who Were the Early Israelites and


Where Did They Come From?, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing


Co., 2006. (Available from TBR BOOK CLUB.)


Miller, James Maxwell, A History of Ancient Israel and


Judah, 2d ed., Westminster John Knox Press, 2006.


Perdue, Leo G., Reconstructing Old Testament Theology:


After the Collapse of History (Overtures to Biblical Theology),


Augsburg Fortress Publishers, 2005.


Smith, Mark S., The Origins of Biblical Monotheism:


Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts, Oxford


University Press, USA, 2003.


Thompson, Thomas L., Early History of the Israelite


People: From the Written & Archaeological Sources, Brill


Academic Publishers, 2000.




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 wrote in message news:pOjai.230$c45.121@trndny06...
>
> On  8-Jun-2007, Al Nakba  wrote:
>
>> On Jun 8, 11:20 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> > "DoD"  wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:1181320142.636248.289540@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > > On Jun 8, 11:16 am, hillelg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > >> On Jun 8, 9:02 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>> >
>> > >> > for once in your life try to make an opinion by yourself instead
>> >
>> > >> ...says the one who post post-WWII German bullshit, about the
>> > >> Germans being the victims of the war and the "the jews
>> > >> themselves were very eager to betray their own kind."
>> >
>> > They most certainly were. Read Shahak, he knew he was in the Warsaw
>> > ghetto!
>>
>> Your attentions are  always on Uranus.
>
> And how many are surprised that Seredin chooses to believe a proven 
> liar...?
>
> Susan
YOU ARE A LIAR, IRISH DOG!  SHAHAK IS PROBABLY THE MOST HONEST MAN TO VOME 
OUT OF THAT DUMP YOU CALL ISRAEL 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> On Jun 8, 1:58 pm, Al Smith  wrote:
>> > On Jun 8, 12:27 pm, Al Smith  wrote:
>> >>> > > The utter hypocrisy of the British National Union of Journalists,
>> >>> > > which recently voted to boycott only Israel, has now become 
>> >>> > > evident in
>> >>> > > the face of the silence over the recent move by Venezuelan 
>> >>> > > Dictator
>> >>> > > Hugo Chavez to suppress dissent by the media in his leftist 
>> >>> > > regime.
>>
>> >> > The Israeli regime is kidnapping, torturing, and murdering people
>> >> > left and right. So far crazy Hugo hasn't gotten up to comparable
>> >> > tricks.
>>
>> > Well if you and your bigoted butt-buddies like Hugo and company
>> > wowuldn't encourage Israel and the United States immoral despicable
>> > terrorist enemies to keep attacking Israel at every chance, then their
>> > would be any need for Israeli self defense, now would there?
>>
>> You are wrong-headed, here. Nobody has to encourage anyone to
>> attack Israel. Nobody much even wants to do so.
>
> Well, you and your bigoted Arab friends go a long way in proving just
> the opposite.
ARABS DID NOT FRY THE JEWS, OTHER JEWS DID! 




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"williamhubbard"  wrote in message 
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> Hugo epitomizes the phrase "Chingado pendejp". His slavish followers are 
> chingaderos..

So far Hugo is teaching Bush and his Jews a lesson 




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On Jun 9, 11:49 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex teh problem is that the Iranian economy is so weak!

If that is the case kikes have nothing to worry about! Right?



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On Jun 9, 12:03 pm, "ChiliDog"  wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.20d5770b62fef81989ebe@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> > Alex teh problem is that the Iranian economy is so weak!
>
> The race to the bottom of the toilet is getting very competitive...
>
 ZIONAZIS ARE LEADING THE RUSH



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On Jun 9, 2:56 pm, MatteasKern 
wrote:
> From:           SueeeShiksaCohen
> Date:           Sat, Sep 23 2006 8:24 am
>
> In the massively detailed Dr. Michaels file on McVay, McVay is quoted as
> claiming to have been an undercover "narc", who ratted out some of his
> competitor drug dealers.
>
> Enquiring minds now wonder whether McVay is still dealing drugs, and is
> himself a user.His inside information seems to support this assumption.
>
> Is that how McVay actually got his AIDS, from infected needles from his
> butt-buddies who were junkies?
>
> Even Jews are now so critical of this disgusting pervert, that Sol Littman set
> up a special website critical of McVay at:http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml
>
> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
> is a revolutionary act."
> (George Orwell)
>
> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
> "All truth passes through three stages.
> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
> and impossible to ignore."
> John Bryant
>
> TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions.
> G. K. Chesterton.
>
> We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
> We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
> office: VISIT at:
> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
> or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
> should give an indication as to the why.
>
> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVayhttp://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html[Many paedophiles
> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
> even if he or she were not naked"?http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavi...@verizon.net,
>
> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787
>
> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
> JEW-WATCH:http://www.jewwatch.com
>
> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
> Or, other useful websites include:
> ZUNDELSITE -www.zundelsite.org
> IHR -www.ihr.org
> OSTARA -www.ostara.org
> PAMYAT -http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
> Edgar J.Steele -www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
> AL JAZEERA -http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscr...@topica.com
>
> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE :http://www.natall.com
> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

McVay spends his time going from pub to pub in Nanaimo and drinking up
the beers belonging to other patrons when they are not looking



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On Jun 9, 11:47 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually Alex they do!
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6669829,00.html
>
>         Malaysia Court Rules in Religion Case
>
> Wednesday May 30, 2007 4:46 AM
>
> By EILEEN NG
>
> Associated Press Writer
>
> PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia (AP) - Malaysia's top secular court on Wednesday
> rejected a woman's appeal to be recognized as a Christian, in a landmark
> case that tested the limits of religious freedom in this moderate
> Islamic country.
>
> Lina Joy, who was born Azlina Jailani, had applied for a name change on
> her government identity card. The National Registration Department
> obliged but refused to drop Muslim from the religion column.
>
> She appealed the decision to a civil court but was told she must take it
> to Islamic Shariah courts. But Joy, 42, argued that she should not be
> bound by Shariah law because she is a Christian.
>
> A three-judge Federal Court panel ruled Wednesday that only the Islamic
> Shariah Court has the power to allow her to remove the word ``Islam''
> from the religion category on her government identity card.
>
> The Malaysian Constitution guarantees freedom of religion to all
> citizens. But Muslims, who comprise nearly 60 percent of the 26 million
> population, have not been allowed by the Shariah courts to legally leave
> their religion.


That is nothing, Jews do not recognize ANY conversions to any faith at
all!



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Illegal immigration is a huge and growing problem for this country. So is 
legal immigration, to the extent that the immigrants are nearly all members 
of minority groups these days. Immigration is changing the complexion and 
the character of America. We are becoming less European and more Middle 
Eastern, Asian, African, and mestizo. I have discussed what this non-White 
immigration is doing to our schools, our cities, and our tax burden. Let's 
look today at some of the other costs involved.

Before the Second World War we had immigration laws which insured that most 
immigrants to the United States were Europeans. It was extremely difficult 
for Asians or Africans or other non-Whites to enter the country. Then in the 
rush of feel-good egalitarianism and yankee-doodle democracy which were 
promoted by the media after the war, the members of the liberal elite let 
themselves be persuaded by the media bosses that our immigration policies 
were "racist." What we needed in America was more "diversity," they decided. 
A Jewish congressman from New York, Emanuel Celler, headed the drive in the 
Congress for a new immigration law which would favor the Third World instead 
of Europe, and in 1965 such a law was passed, with the co-sponsorship of 
Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy.

Of course, at the time the Jews and the liberals were campaigning for their 
new immigration law they didn't advertise it as a law which would change 
America's complexion. They didn't talk of it as a diversity-enhancing law. 
Quite the opposite, in fact, because in 1965 the masters of the controlled 
media hadn't had time yet to make diversity fashionable among ordinary 
Americans. Television was still relatively new and hadn't worked its magic 
yet.

People who wanted to maintain America's European racial character foresaw 
the effect the new law would have and argued against it on that basis, but 
its proponents deceitfully claimed that it wouldn't change America's racial 
character at all, knowing full well that it would. And so the law was 
passed, and since it went into effect in 1965 most of the legal immigrants 
to the United States have been non-European, non-White. So have nearly all 
of the illegal immigrants. And America's racial complexion has changed 
drastically as a result. In the last census taken before Emanuel Celler's 
new immigration law -- the census of 1960 -- the population of the United 
States was 89 per cent White. In the 1990 census, after 25 years with the 
new law, the White percentage of the population had fallen to 76 per cent. 
Actually, the situation was worse than that, because illegal immigrants, 
nearly all of whom are non-White, tend to avoid the census-takers. And the 
percentage of Whites in the United States has continued to plunge since 
1990. Today the country is somewhere between 70 and 75 per cent White.

Occasionally Congress has made special modifications to the 1965 immigration 
law to admit favored groups of immigrants. The largest such group is from 
Europe but actually is not racially European. It consists of Jews from the 
former Soviet Union claiming "refugee" status. A Jewish legislator, New 
Jersey's Senator Frank Lautenberg, succeeded in 1989 in having Soviet Jews 
officially designated as a "persecuted minority" in the Soviet Union and 
therefore eligible for admission to the United States without regard to 
regular immigration quotas. It has been reapproved every year since then.

As a matter of fact Jews in the Soviet Union, far from being persecuted, 
have been a favored race ever since the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 -- a 
revolution which they in large part engineered. While communism ruled in 
Russia, Jews were far more often persecutors of Russians than the other way 
around. But in 1989, with Russia bled dry and communism on the brink of 
collapse, Soviet Jews decided to find a new host. And so for the past nine 
years, whereas it has been nearly impossible for a real Russian or Ukrainian 
to become a U.S. immigrant, Jews from the former Soviet Union have been 
pouring into the United States at a rate of about 50,000 a year. 
Furthermore, as "refugees from persecution," Soviet Jews are given a cash 
handout from the U.S. Treasury and various other Federal subsidies as soon 
as they arrive.

Whenever anyone has dared to question why Soviet Jews continue to be exempt 
>from the immigration laws which apply to everyone else, he was likely to be 
charged with "anti-Semitism." And the claim will be made that these Soviet 
Jews are a very clever and skilful bunch of people who contribute greatly to 
America's economy, and we're fortunate to have them in the country.

Not really. They are clever, all right, but the only economy they contribute 
to is their own, and it's at the expense of the rest of us. Soviet Jewish 
immigrants in the United States have been a far larger per capita burden on 
White Americans than any other immigrant group. A substantial part of this 
burden is due to the fact that a great many of these Soviet Jews are 
gangsters: members of a global organized crime network, which they call 
theOrganizatsiya: the "Organization." Under communism, Jews controlled 
organized crime in the Soviet Union, and when communism collapsed at the 
beginning of this decade Soviet Jewish gangsters not only branched out into 
various new money-making enterprises in Russia and Ukraine, including the 
White slave trade, they also began building their criminal operations in the 
United States and in Western Europe. Today they virtually control organized 
crime in Germany, Poland, and several other European countries. And the 
Organizatsiya has replaced the Italian and Sicilian Mafia as the principal 
organized crime element in the United States. And these Jews from the former 
Soviet Union are far more predatory than the Mafia ever was. They suck far 
more blood from law-abiding Americans.

Three or four years ago they made the headlines with their gasoline-tax 
rackets in New Jersey and New York, where a handful of Jewish gangsters from 
Russia were stealing an estimated $1.5 billion a year from these two states 
alone. More recently they've come into the news in connection with 
automobile insurance fraud in California. They hire people, hundreds of 
people every week, to participate in staged automobile accidents, and then, 
using their own lawyers and their own clinics for treating the alleged 
injuries in the accidents, they collect from the insurance companies.

Now, anyone can do this sort of thing, and as a matter of fact Chinese, 
Vietnamese, and Mexican gangs had been engaging in automobile insurance 
fraud before the Organizatsiya became involved, just as the Mafia had been 
stealing gasoline taxes in New York and New Jersey before the Soviet Jews 
made a multi-billion-dollar racket out of it. When the Jews moved into 
insurance fraud recently, however, they did so on a massive scale, 
converting what had been a minor irritation to a huge drain on the 
pocketbook of nearly every American. Automobile insurance fraud is currently 
sucking nearly $20 billion a year from the American economy and is costing 
the average American household an estimated $300 per year in additional 
insurance payments -- because, of course, every dollar paid to a Jewish 
gangster as a result of a fraudulent automobile accident comes from the 
pockets of all the people who are obliged to buy automobile insurance. This 
is an enormous racket, and it dwarfs anything that the Mafia used to do.

And gasoline-tax fraud and automobile insurance fraud are by no means the 
only rackets that Soviet Jewish immigrants have moved into. In New York, Los 
Angeles, and other port cities their presence has substantially increased 
the likelihood that your car will be stolen, for example. They control gangs 
of thieves who steal expensive cars off the street, and then the Jews 
arrange for the cars to be shipped in freight containers to other Jewish 
gangsters in the Middle East, where they can be sold for much higher prices 
than in the United States -- and where they will never be recovered by the 
police. As with the other rackets, the Jews aren't the only organized 
criminals who steal cars, but they do it on such a large scale that they run 
insurance rates up much higher than all of the non-Jewish auto thieves 
together.

There are perhaps 400,000 Soviet Jewish immigrants in the United States, 
most of them in the New York and Los Angeles areas, and only about 4,000 of 
these Jews belong to organized crime gangs, or about one per cent. But the 
infrastructure for these Jewish gangs is the entire Soviet Jewish community. 
They could not function without all of the other Jews who make up the 
community within which they live.

Don't let yourself be misled by the argument that 99 per cent of Soviet 
Jewish immigrants to the United States are not gangsters. The bottom line is 
that these Soviet Jewish immigrants, gangsters or not, are draining about 
$50,000 per capita per year from the American economy as a result of Jewish 
organized crime activities in the United States. It may be only one per cent 
of them who are actively engaged in the rackets, but we wouldn't have Jewish 
organized crime gangs in the United States sucking money from all of us if 
we didn't have Soviet Jews in the United States. And we wouldn't have Soviet 
Jews in the United States if we had a sane immigration policy.

The United States is still nearly three-quarters White, but most of the 
crime in the United States is committed by non-Whites. In some cases we may 
overlook this non-White crime because it doesn't impact on us directly. For 
example I have a news story in front of me now about a Mexican gang which 
operates a sex-slave racket in the southeastern United States. The gang 
members force Mexican girls, some as young as 14, to work as prostitutes in 
a chain of brothels they own in Florida and South Carolina, which cater 
mostly to illegal Mexican aliens doing farm work. This may be dismissed as a 
case of non-Whites committing crimes against non-Whites which doesn't cost 
us anything, but as long as it is happening on our turf we should be 
concerned about it. If we permit non-White moralities, non-White attitudes 
toward women, non-White concepts of propriety and proper behavior to 
flourish here, they eventually will take root here and will infect White 
Americans, just the way Black life-styles began influencing young Whites 
after our schools were racially integrated. We cannot have growing 
communities of Chinese, Vietnamese, Haitians, Mexicans, Soviet Jews, and a 
hundred other alien races springing up all across the United States, taking 
over our cities, spreading into our suburbs, and still have any realistic 
hope of maintaining White values and a White morality as the basis of our 
own community life. The poison eventually will infect us, sicken us, and 
destroy us.

This is in no case more true than with the Soviet Jewish gangs which have 
established themselves here during the past decade. When the Organizatsiya 
decides to move into an area of criminal activity, whether it be 
gasoline-tax fraud, insurance fraud, or exporting stolen cars, they do it 
efficiently and in an organized way which dwarfs the activity of other 
criminal gangs and typically brings them billions of dollars in loot and 
makes it possible for them to engage in bribery and political corruption on 
a massive scale. Bill Clinton accepts political donations from them, and you 
can be certain that police chiefs, mayors, and other politicians and public 
officials do too. No government, even one which initially is honest, can 
remain uncorrupted by the sort of money these organized Jewish criminals 
have at their disposal.

And the controlled media cover for them. When, occasionally, the newspapers 
are forced to report on some Organizatsiya racket, the criminals are never 
referred to as Jews. Instead they are called "Russians." The media 
customarily refer to the Organizatsiya as the "Russian mafia."

One other reason why the activities of the Organizatsiyaought to be of 
special concern to us is that we are their chosen victims. Mexican gangs 
often confine their activities to their own people, as in the case of the 
sex-slave gang I mentioned. Vietnamese and Chinese gangs also tend to focus 
on extortion and other rackets which victimize their own people. Of course, 
when these non-White immigrant gangs engage in the drug business, many White 
Americans end up as victims. But the Jewish gangs deliberately choose us as 
their victims from the beginning. Part of the reason is that they want money 
on a much larger scale than they can extract from their fellow immigrants. 
They're not interested in a paltry few million dollars. They want -- and 
they get -- billions, and it's from the American majority they get it, 
whether they're fleecing the stock market a la Michael Milken and Ivan 
Boesky or running our auto insurance premiums up through organized fraud.

And part of the reason they choose White Americans as their victims is that 
they believe they have a God-given right to plunder us. Whenever they 
immigrate into a non-Jewish country, whether it is ancient Egypt 3500 years 
ago or America today, their imperative is the same: "Ye shall eat the fat of 
the land," their Torah commands them: "Thou shalt suck the milk of the 
Gentiles."

It is a difficult thing, a painful thing, for most Americans to face this 
problem of non-European immigration into America. Most Americans want to be 
nice, they want to be polite, they don't want to give offense. And because 
of this inherent politeness we have, we let ourselves be buffaloed by those 
clamoring for more "diversity." If there's one thing America doesn't need, 
one thing which is pure poison to America, it's more "diversity." But the 
Jews of Hollywood and Madison Avenue have done a very effective job of 
selling the notion to an impressionable and easily manipulated public that 
it's "nicer" and more "tolerant," "open-minded," and "fairer" to be in favor 
of letting non-Europeans -- including Soviet Jews -- continue pouring into 
America. A great many of us understand that we don't want any more 
non-Whites or any more Jews in America -- in fact, we don't want the ones 
that already are here -- but we feel an enormous pressure to smile, to be 
nice, and not to object to what is happening to our country. We are afraid 
to stand up against the propaganda of Jewish television, Jewish magazine 
advertisements, and Jewish films: propaganda that tells us more "diversity" 
is good for us, even when we know that it isn't.

Their propaganda, their pressure, is pervasive; it is everywhere. I just 
finished viewing a Jewish film about the history of the Hollywood film 
industry. The name of the film is Hollywoodism. It openly discusses what 
everyone knew but was afraid to speak of openly for fear of being denounced 
as an "anti-Semite": namely, that Hollywood and the motion-picture industry 
are almost completely Jewish. The film talks about the Jews who came to 
America from Russia and other areas of eastern Europe early in this century 
and took over the fledgling motion-picture industry in Hollywood, elbowing 
most of the non-Jews out. The film claims that these immigrant Jews 
reinvented America for us. They cooked up an image of what they wanted 
America to be like -- more diverse, more democratic and proletarian, more 
vulgar, with lots of Black music and other elements of Black culture mixed 
into our culture -- and then they sold that image to the American people, 
first through cinemas and later through television. They persuaded White 
Americans that this Jewish image of America was a better image than our own. 
The Jews boastof this transformation of America they made through their 
control of the motion-picture and television industries.

If you haven't seen this film, you still can read the book it is based on. 
The book is Neal Gabler's An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented 
Hollywood, and it is available from National Vanguard Books, the publisher 
of Free Speech.

It is very difficult for the average American to stand up against this flood 
of Jewish propaganda which clamors for ever more "diversity" and intimidates 
most of those who would like to stop the flow of Haitians, Chinese, 
Vietnamese, and Soviet Jews into America. As long as White Americans still 
have the option of moving to a Whiter neighborhood or sending their children 
to a Whiter school, they'll choose that option rather than make a fuss and 
be considered rude by speaking out against the insane immigration policies 
of the government in Washington. It's too bad we're that way. It just means 
that our future will be much bloodier and more painful than necessary.

Meanwhile, it will be good for us to remember every time we pay our 
automobile insurance that one consequence of non-White immigration into 
America is the size of our premiums. It will be good to remember that a 
third of every premium pays just for insurance fraud, and that virtually all 
automobile insurance fraud is perpetrated by gangs of non-White immigrants, 
a growing number of whom belong to the Organizatsiya. If you are paying, 
say, $800 a year in automobile insurance, then between $250 and $300 of your 
hard-earned money is going directly into the pockets of grinning Soviet 
Jewish gangsters, courtesy of the U.S. Congress. Think about it, sucker!




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