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"Ian MacLure"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in
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>    [snip]
>
>> "It's only natural as you get towards the end of the second term that
>> people are going to be moving on," he said. "The secretary understands."
>
>    It must really tick you off that Republicans have actual
>    job skills for which employers are willing to pay.
>
>    IBM
Especially Dov Zakheim the designer of 911 




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Subject: Re: JEW IS ALWAYS "INNOCENT", GOY IS ALWAYS THE GUITY
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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f16dcn$qef$1@aioe.org...
> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> > Clio Gagged" is a recent article by that intrepid Jewish writer,
>> > Israel Shamir, a man I believe to be the most courageous and
>> > intellectually honest Jew in the world. Shamir, an Israeli former
>> > member of the IDF, has dared to present the other side of the
>> > Jewish-Gentile conflict.
>
> Nigel Parry who runs 'The Electronic Intifada exposes Israel Shamir:
>
>
> In late 2000/early 2001, in the period following the beginning of the 
> second
> Palestinian Intifada, articles began appearing on the Internet by a
> previously unknown Israeli-Russian writer called "Israel Shamir". With a
> powerful command of the English language, compelling anecdotes, dramatic
> metaphors, and a spirited opposition to the Israel's military occupation,
> Shamir was rapidly and warmly accepted into the pro-Palestinian activist
> scene, and by Spring 2001 had embarked on a speaking tour of the United
> States, speaking at many public events alongside leading lights of the
> Palestinian scene.
>
> As his articles kept coming, however, an increasing amount of the tone and
> content was observed by more than a few to fall into what could -- if this
> hadn't been an Israeli Jew writing it -- best be described as a classic
> anti-Semitic repertoire. Shamir's identity as a Jew initially enabled 
> people
> to excuse this, until the whole mess began to unravel as more and more
> questions were asked. Eventually, these questions began to be answered, 
> and
> the issue errupted into a controversy. This page is an archive for some of
> the material that circulated, and is offered to the Palestinian community 
> in
> particular as a warning to check the backgrounds and content of the 
> message
> of people who claim to speak on their behalf. However worthy the cause, 
> the
> end does not justify the means.
>
> Nigel Parry
>
>
> http://www.nigelparry.com/issues/shamir/
>
>
> Israel Shamir exposed:
>
>
> Thursday, April 07, 2005
>
> London Times Exposes Columnist "Israel Shamir" as a Swedish neo-Nazi

AT LEAST YOU ADMIT THAT MANY JEWS ARE NAZIS BY PROFESSION 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f16di9$r0v$1@aioe.org...
> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> > Clio Gagged" is a recent article by that intrepid Jewish writer,
>> > Israel Shamir, a man I believe to be the most courageous and
>> > intellectually honest Jew in the world. Shamir, an Israeli former
>> > member of the IDF, has dared to present the other side of the
>> > Jewish-Gentile conflict. In a media saturated by Jewish power, only
>> > one position on this conflict is permitted: Jews are always
>> > innocent, Gentiles are always guilty. Anything else other than this
>> > simple polemic is deemed anti-Semitism. In truth, since the Jewish
>> > sojourn in Egypt, through Roman occupation of Jerusalem, the
>> > Babylonian Capitivity, their Middle ages presence in Eastern and
>> > Central Europe, to the present modern state of Israel, Jewish
>> > ideology and power has been far more chauvinist, intolerant,
>> > hateful and ultimately murderous than that of their antagonists. As
>> > my book, JEWISH SUPREMACISM shows, no major writing on Earth comes
>> > close to the ethnic supremacism and hatred of the Talmud.
>> > Obviously, as a person of Jewish descent, Shamir has no wish for
>> > reciprocal hatred or harm to fall upon the Jewish people. As a
>> > person of European descent, neither do I, but I am committed to
>> > exposing and defending my people from the threat of Jewish
>> > supremacism. Shamir, perhaps Quixote-like, seeks a new path for the
>> > Jewish people, one that seems an unlikely development in a Jewish
>> > extremist power structure that has refined and fortified itself for
>> > 3000 years. One thing that Shamir and I know is that Jewish
>> > Supremacism poses a great threat to the heritage and freedom of the
>> > European people, and indeed to all peoples on Earth. It has led not
>> > only to the ethnic cleansing and barbarous oppression of the people
>> > of Palestine, its media occupation in America and Europe have
>> > undermined every worthy tradition and morality of the culture of
>> > the West, its political power has led to the opening of America and
>> > Europe to invasion. It is why American treasure and blood are shed
>> > in the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan, and it leads us to a possible
>> > apocalypse against Iran. Shamir is not only brilliant in his ideas,
>> > but his knowledge and literary ability make his articles a joy and
>> > marvel to read. Read and learn!
>>
>
> Why do you insist on posting stuff from Israel Shamir who isn't an 
> Israeli,
> isn't Jewish and is a proven fraud? Even the Palestinian Intifada says he 
> is
> a fraud.
 HE IS A JEW, ISN'T HE?  HE IS ENTITLED TO BE HEARD ON THE JEWISH GROUP AS 
MUCH AS ANY OF YOU TORTURERS 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "torresdD"  wrote in message
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>> What does Israel want? Phyllis Bennis
>
> To be left alone.
 IS THAT WHY THEY SLAUGHTERED 1,300 LEBANESE JUST RECENTLY? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Cazador"  wrote in message
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>> On Apr 30, 12:07 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> > "torresdD"  wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:bhpZh.10174$3P3.10082@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > > What does Israel want? Phyllis Bennis
>> >
>> > To be left alone.
>>
>> Do you suppose that it would enhance America's chances of "being left
>> alone" if we occupied Mexico or Canada militarily for forty years
>> while setting up hundreds of fortified regions like a small pox
>> epidemic all over their country to protect American "settlers" from
>> the dispossessed natives? What you mean, DoD, is that you want Israel
>> to be left alone in oder to be able to digest her West Bank and Golan
>> spoils.
>
> Here is a quarter, now beat it kid, ya bother me.
 FIGURES! FUCKING JEW PIG!z 




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Subject: THE SAVAGERY IN IRAQ IS ZIO/ AMERICAN MADE!
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  George Bush has insulted America in Iraq. I would like to say the American 
troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the streets of 
Iraq, and they are defeated. Bush is lying to you. The number of American 
casualties exceeds the announced number by thousands. The real number is so 
much higher: Interview with Senior Ba'ath Party Member and Iraq's National 
Resistance.


Thank you , Dahr Jamail for consistently digging beneath the Cheney/Bush 
smokescreen of deception and spin and siphoning out the truth ~ The Iraqi 
Resistance fighters are freedom fighters to their fellow occupied Iraqi's 
and their numbers are growing every day.
If I were an Iraqi, as I am an American, while a foreign troop was landed in 
my country, I never would lay down my arms ! ~ Never! Never! Never !
In this case, he interviews a leader of the Iraqi National Resistance 
Movement who provides a verification of what myself and many other bloggers 
have been saying for months ~ if not years.
Everyday this Resistance movement is gaining in strength and will not stop 
until Bush takes his hand out of the Iraq Monkey ( OIL ) Jar and leaves 
gracefully or in humiliation.
Excerpt: DJ: What message would you like to give the Bush administration? 
AM: The American administration is full of criminals and liars. They have to 
respect the rights of the Iraqis. We will charge them in international court 
for what they have done in Iraq and they should have to admit their fault in 
front of the whole world as well as the American people. They should not lie 
anymore and they should be rational and withdraw their troops.
Allen L Roland http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2007/04/30.html

Interview with Senior Ba'ath Party Member
by Dahr Jamail http://www.rense.com/general76/grdand.htm
On Sunday April 15th I interviewed a high ranking member of Iraq?s Ba?ath 
Party in Damascus, Syria. Like many senior party members, he lives in exile 
in Syria, and spoke on condition of anonymity by asking to be referred to as 
Abu Mohammed. The following is an exclusive interview:

Dahr Jamail: Please tell me a little about your position.

Abu Mohammed: I am a representative of the Ba'ath Party and Iraq's National 
Resistance.

DJ: Western corporate media portrays most of the violence in Iraq as if it 
is the Iraqis who are killing each other with suicide car bombs in markets, 
etc. What is your opinion of Iraqi on Iraqi violence?

AM: As a matter of fact, since the beginning of the occupation, the Iraqi 
resistance has been doing their operations only against American troops and 
their allies. Iraqis killing each other and civilians dying is the fault of 
the invaders because there are too many parties and all these parties formed 
militias. Some of these are supported by the Americans, some by the 
Zionists, and some by the Iranians. But the job of the Iraqi resistance is 
to get rid of the American occupation and they are not killing civilians.

DJ: Then who is responsible for killing the civilians?

AM: The militias and invaders. The occupation forces and militias sponsored 
by the Americans, the militias backed by the Americans, Zionists, and 
Iranians. The goal from this is to make the resistance appear bad, as well 
as simply to kill Iraqis.

DJ: Friends I know in Baquba say the resistance is fighting Al-Qaeda there. 
Is this happening in Al-Anbar province as well?

AM: Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion, nor their allies. Al-Qaeda 
started their work in Iraq after the invasion. As Ba'athists, we look at 
Al-Qaeda as different-they have different strategies, beliefs and tactics, 
it?s all different. Al-Qaeda aims to follow the Americans and kill them 
anywhere in the world. The Iraqi resistance only kills American troops in 
Iraq-so this is an important difference between us.

DJ: American leaders claim they have had talks with the Iraqi resistance. Is 
this true?

AM: The American administration and the American troops are getting used to 
lies. They invaded Iraq, they looted Iraq, they killed Iraqis and all of 
this was based on lies. They took the former government to a court and 
judged them and executed them and all of this was based on lies and 
illegalities. The invasion itself was based on weapons of mass destruction, 
and relations with Al-Qaeda - then it turns out there are no weapons of mass 
destruction and no relations with Al-Qaeda, so they were both lies. The 
Americans having negotiations with the resistance is also a lie. Up to now 
we?ve seen no move towards negotiations with the resistance about Iraq's 
rights. If the Americans want to get out of Iraq and save face, they have to 
negotiate with the resistance and Ba'ath Party leaders in order to negotiate 
Iraq?s rights.

DJ: Why do you think they have to negotiate with Ba?ath Party leaders?

AM: They won't negotiate with the Ba'ath Party because the Ba'ath Party and 
our resistance is the main branch of resistance in Iraq. Nevertheless there 
are other resistance groups in Iraq that we do respect. The resistance we're 
talking about is the Ba'ath party members' resistance and other groups as 
well. If the Americans wanted to negotiate with the resistance they can 
negotiate with any group they want that represents the resistance.

DJ: What exactly is the Iraqi resistance? What are they comprised of?

AM: The Iraqi resistance is a patriotic resistance by the Iraqis. It has 
many groups from many sects of Islam and it's not exclusively in one area of 
Iraq. There are so many parts of the resistance. Some are Ba?athists, some 
are Islamists. We hope that the next government will be democratic and 
include all the sectors and sects of society because the new government 
should be of one sharing government.

DJ: Who is funding and arming the Iraqi resistance?

AM: In Iraq there are so many weapons. The Ba'ath provided enough to fight 
for the next 15 years. About funding, Iraq is a rich country with many rich 
people, so we can get the funding from inside of Iraq.

DJ: What are the demands of the Iraqi resistance?

AM: We declare liberation and independence. We do not have demands. We have 
rights. We want Iraq?s rights. Our demand is to give back Iraq's rights. The 
rights of our people include the following:

1. All parts of the Iraqi resistance should be the exclusive representatives 
for Iraqis.
2. An immediate withdrawal of American forces without conditions.
3. Full compensation for both Iraq and Iraqis for those who have been killed 
since the sanctions starting in 1991 until now. During the sanctions, 1.7 
million Iraqis were killed. And according to the Lancet report, 655,000 have 
been killed, and by now possibly even one million.
4. The release of everyone in prisons.
5. Canceling all the current political procedures and all the 100 Bremer 
Orders legislation done during the Iraqi Governing Council because according 
to international law, it is illegal to make any political and legislative 
action while the country is under occupation.
6. Canceling the UN legislation that has been passed since the sanctions.
7. Putting all the traitors, those who betrayed Iraq, and those who are 
allies of the Americans into trials.

These are the rights of the country and if the Americans and their allies 
respect these rights, we can sit together. Not to negotiate these rights, 
but to plan the withdrawal and discuss the implementation of these rights. 
Also, the resistance will go on no matter how long it takes or how much it 
costs, until there is a withdrawal.

DJ: What do you think the solution is to the crisis in Iraq?

AM: This is the only solution we have.

DJ: How do you think the Americans are going to leave Iraq?

AM: I've mentioned before that they have two ways. The first way is to 
respect Iraq's rights, and to sit with the Ba?ath party and the resistance 
and resistance leaders to implement these rights. Then we will allow them to 
go out with whatever is left of their troops, and with saving some face. The 
second way is the resistance will continue until they withdraw, and they 
will not save face.

.DJ: What is the strategy of the Iraqi resistance towards Iran?

AM: The resistance strategy against Iran is to liberate Iraq not only from 
the Americans but to liberate Iraq from the sectarian intruders of Iraq and 
the separation and extortion that the occupation created. We are aiming for 
a deep and radical liberation of Iraq.

DJ: What is your opinion of the role of the UN, Arab League, and neighboring 
countries?

AM: This role will be summarized by them giving humanitarian support to 
Iraqis after the withdrawal of the Americans.

DJ: Who is responsible for the attacks against occupation forces in the 
south?

AM: The resistance is spread all over Iraq, from the north to the south. The 
resistance in the south against the British army is a pure Iraqi resistance 
that includes the jihadi resistance and some Ba?ath party leaders.

DJ: Is the majority of the Iraqi resistance from the former army?

AM: Most of the resistance are former Iraqi Army military.

DJ: What are your comments on the growing conflict between the Shia and 
Sunni in Iraq?

AM: The truth is that the so-called conflict between the Shia and Sunni is 
not something real. It is due to political goals. Shia, Sunni and Kurds have 
been living in Iraq for over a thousand years together and there have not 
been conflicts such as these we see today. This conflict is growing because 
of the invaders. And when the occupiers, invaders and their allies withdraw 
>from Iraq this conflict will end.

DJ: What message would you like to give to the people of the U.S.?

AM: George Bush has insulted America in Iraq. I would like to say the 
American troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the 
streets of Iraq, and they are defeated. Bush is lying to you. The number of 
American casualties exceeds the announced number by thousands. The real 
number is so much higher. This is my message. And I would like to ask them 
to push their government to withdrawal from Iraq, otherwise they will be 
annihilated. I would also like to say that they have to respect our rights. 
If they withdrawal by the aforementioned plans, we can say we do not hate 
the Americans and we are willing to have good relations with America and her 
allies.

DJ: What message would you like to give the Bush administration?

AM: The American administration is full of criminals and liars. They have to 
respect the rights of the Iraqis. We will charge them in international court 
for what they have done in Iraq and they should have to admit their fault in 
front of the whole world as well as the American people. They should not lie 
anymore and they should be rational and withdraw their troops.

OpEdNews columnist Allen L Roland is available for comments & interviews. 
( allen@allenroland.com )

Allen L Roland is a practicing psychotherapist, author and lecturer who also 
shares a daily political and social commentary on his weblog and website . 
He also guest hosts a monthly national radio show TRUTHTALK on CONSCIOUS 
TALK RADIO. 




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IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN IS WAITING IN THE WINGS TO 
TAKE AL QAEDA OVER! 




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 wrote in message 
news:1178019990.820711.254120@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 4:31 am, "Jason P."  wrote:
>> - In the year 1948, when the state of Israel was established and
>> claimed as the national homeland of Jews, the new Israeli government
>> and its defense forces were built up by using the members of the
>> dismantled terrorist gangs of Haganah and Stern and many other
>> notorious Zionist gangs who have helped in enforcing Jewish
>> settlements in Palestine..
>
> As opposed to the Palestine Arabs' Arab Army of Liberation, which was
> comprised of such noble stalwarts as the Muslims vets of the all-
> Muslim Waffen-SS legions

THAT IS A LAUGH!
BUT DON'T WORRY, IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN WILL BE THE 
NEW AL QAEDA LEADER! 




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117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
By: Zoraida on: 01.05.2007 [16:44 ] (52 reads)
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''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers''.

T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.

In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
and 1 polish = 117



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On May 1, 9:15 am, Ariel  wrote:
> On May 1, 6:58 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> > IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN IS WAITING IN THE WINGS TO
> > TAKE AL QAEDA OVER!
>
> do you think writing "bin" before each name makes your post more
> remarkable?

More accurate, all of these bastards are sewn from the same Nazi cloth



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On May 1, 12:51 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
> On May 1, 7:15 am, Ariel  wrote:
>
> > On May 1, 6:58 am, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> > > IF BIN BUSH KILLS BIN OSAMA, BIN ADAM PEARLMAN IS WAITING IN THE WINGS TO
> > > TAKE AL QAEDA OVER!
>
> > do you think writing "bin" before each name makes your post more
> > remarkable? all it does is show us that you're getting dumber by the
> > day.
>
> He's getting dumber

HEAR, HEAR BIN NEFESH



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On Apr 30, 11:52 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> > > Clio Gagged" is a recent article by that intrepid Jewish writer,
> > > Israel Shamir, a man I believe to be the most courageous and
> > > intellectually honest Jew in the world. Shamir, an Israeli former
> > > member of the IDF, has dared to present the other side of the
> > > Jewish-Gentile conflict. In a media saturated by Jewish power, only
> > > one position on this conflict is permitted: Jews are always
> > > innocent, Gentiles are always guilty. Anything else other than this
> > > simple polemic is deemed anti-Semitism. In truth, since the Jewish
> > > sojourn in Egypt, through Roman occupation of Jerusalem, the
> > > Babylonian Capitivity, their Middle ages presence in Eastern and
> > > Central Europe, to the present modern state of Israel, Jewish
> > > ideology and power has been far more chauvinist, intolerant,
> > > hateful and ultimately murderous than that of their antagonists. As
> > > my book, JEWISH SUPREMACISM shows, no major writing on Earth comes
> > > close to the ethnic supremacism and hatred of the Talmud.
> > > Obviously, as a person of Jewish descent, Shamir has no wish for
> > > reciprocal hatred or harm to fall upon the Jewish people. As a
> > > person of European descent, neither do I, but I am committed to
> > > exposing and defending my people from the threat of Jewish
> > > supremacism. Shamir, perhaps Quixote-like, seeks a new path for the
> > > Jewish people, one that seems an unlikely development in a Jewish
> > > extremist power structure that has refined and fortified itself for
> > > 3000 years. One thing that Shamir and I know is that Jewish
> > > Supremacism poses a great threat to the heritage and freedom of the
> > > European people, and indeed to all peoples on Earth. It has led not
> > > only to the ethnic cleansing and barbarous oppression of the people
> > > of Palestine, its media occupation in America and Europe have
> > > undermined every worthy tradition and morality of the culture of
> > > the West, its political power has led to the opening of America and
> > > Europe to invasion. It is why American treasure and blood are shed
> > > in the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan, and it leads us to a possible
> > > apocalypse against Iran. Shamir is not only brilliant in his ideas,
> > > but his knowledge and literary ability make his articles a joy and
> > > marvel to read. Read and learn!
>
> Why do you insist on posting stuff from Israel Shamir who isn't an  Israeli,
> isn't Jewish and is a proven fraud? Even the Palestinian Intifada says he is
> a fraud.

hIS NAME IS ISRAEL YOU STUPID DONKEY, DO YOU KNOW ANYONE OF DIFFERENT
BREED WITH A NAME LIKE THAT?



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On May 1, 11:16 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  I would like to say the American
> > troops are humiliated in Iraq. Your troops are crying in the streets of
> > Iraq, and they are defeated.
>
> Your joking Alex.

NOT JO9KING AT ALL ARSEHOLE

117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
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''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers''.

T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.

In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
and 1 polish = 117




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On May 1, 11:15 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Pulling out U.S. troops (including the
> > 100,000-plus mercenaries who back the U.S. military) won't eliminate all
> > Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence, but it will remove the reason many Iraqis are
> > fighting.
>
> How can people expect anyone to believe such crap?

YOU ARE CRAP BERNARD!

117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
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''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers''.

T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.

In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
and 1 polish = 117



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On May 1, 11:13 am, BernardZ  wrote:
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> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:33 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > In article <1177940918.755386.269...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 8:25 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > > > In article ,
> > > > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > > > > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> > > > > >news:MPG.209f3161eff0a5f4989dca@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > > > > > > In article ,
> > > > > > > peacewithw...@noway.clod says...
> > > > > > >>http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1167global.html
>
> > > > > > >> BRITAIN: The mother of a British man shot in the head by
> > > > > > >> Israeli troops accused the Sharon Government of treating her with
> > > > > > >> "contempt" after it sent her a cheque that bounced. The Israeli
> > > > > > >> Ambassador in London wrote to relatives of peace activist Tom
> > > > > > >> Hurndall, who is in a coma, enclosing a cheque towards flying him
> > > > > > >> home. When Tom's mother Jocelyn Hurndall tried to pay it into her
> > > > > > >> account, her bank said that the cheque had been returned as there
> > > > > > >> were not enough funds in the Israeli Government's account. Mr
> > > > > > >> Hurndall had been working with peace campaigners in the town of
> > > > > > >> Rafah when he was shot as he tried to help children out of the
> > > > > > >> path of an Israeli tank. He suffered severe brain damage and is
> > > > > > >> not expected to recover. The Israeli Embassy in London insisted
> > > > > > >> that the cheque had been cashed, although the family's bank
> > > > > > >> continues to deny this.
>
> > > > > > > Tom Hurndall while hiding behind a rhetoric of 'peace', was supporting
> > > > > > > the terrorist who oppose peace.
> > > > > > How was he supporting "terrorists"? By ensuring that Palestinian kids got
> > > > > > safely home from school? Stupid!
>
> > > > > > They may be terrorists by your standard, most people regard Palestinian
> > > > > > resistance rather heroic. Nazis regarded partizans as bandits. Didn't do
> > > > > > them any good, they left a million Nazis dead in the Balkans
>
> > > > > We all what the Muslims did in Yugoslavia during WW2 Alex.
>
> > > > So now you want to be a champion of the Christians.!!!
>
> > > Muslims in Yugoslavia killed Jews too.
>
> > NO THEY DID NOT!  AND YOU ARE ONE LYING SON OF A WHORE!
>
> Actually the Muslims had their own armies in the Nazi third Reich.

ACTUALLY6, LUFTWAFFE WAS OPERATED BY OSAma's grandfather.

AND 7,500 ORNUNGSPOLIZEI SS, WHO GUARDED WARSAW GHETTO, WERE ALL
MUSLI8MS IN DIGUISE (AS JEWS)



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 1, 11:04 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> w...@home.nopeace.cam says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1177968002.798170.250310@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...corpse
> > > On Apr 30, 11:20 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > >> In article <1177940527.688669.109...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > >> > On Apr 30, 8:41 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > >> > > In article ,
> > >> > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > >> > > >  Israel can block extradition, but that's neither
> > >> > > > justice nor proof of innocence.
>
> > >> > > You fool Alex, how can Israel block extradition of a man who is dead!
>
> > >> > > MOREL died awhile ago.
>
> > >> > First of all, Morel is not a man, he is an animal, secondly if he
> > >> > croaked, deliver the bones to the Poles, so they can piss on them!
>
> > > BERNARD IDIOT, I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT IF HE IS DEAD OR ALIVE, SEND THAT
> > > BASTARD TO POLAND
>
> > Right after you send sharon to Belgium.
>
> A dead man and a corpse.

NO MATTER, OTHERWISE WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE LYING



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 1, 1:41 pm, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 1 May, 18:23, Venceremos  wrote:
>
> > 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
> > By: Zoraida on: 01.05.2007 [16:44 ] (52 reads)
> > Article image
>
> > (394 bytes) [c]         Print
>
> > ''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
> > Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
> > Memory and desire, stirring
> > Dull roots with spring rain.
> > Winter kept us warm, covering
> > Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
> > A little life with dried tubers''.
>
> > T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.
>
> > In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
> > and 1 polish = 117
I will never try to put Susan out of sucking business!



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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend.
> Malmö is Sweden's third largest city and by far the worst city in
> Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an 
> Arab
> girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt
> almost like an Arab city. Native Swedes have been moving away from the 
> city
> for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too
>
HA SEND SOME JEWS, SWEDES WILL LOVE EM 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> In 2004, David Horowitz published Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the
> American Left, a seminal work based on the author's 50-year experience of
> the American Left. Since the book was written, the links between Islam and
> the left have become stronger, and not just in the United States. The 
> global
> anti-war movements have naturally forged alliances between leftists and
> Islamists -- in short, a Black-Red Alliance.

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT AFFECT JEWS?
PEOPLE OF ALL PERSUASIONS HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR POLITICAL DETERMINATION, 
ARSEHOLE 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 1, 10:45 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On May 1, 1:31 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14120.htm
>>
>> > Interview with Noam Chomsky
>>
>> > Noam Chomsky explains the reality of Israel's actions to Canadian
>> > interviewer Evan Solomon.
>>
>> > To watch the interview, click here
>>
>> 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
>   You must be very happy about that.

IF I WAS HAPPY I WOPULDN'T BE COMPLAINING TO MY SENATORS EVERY FUCKING GAY 
ABOUT THE DEATHS OF YOUNG AMERICANS FOR THE FUCKING JEWS 




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 wrote in message 
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> On 1 May, 18:44, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On May 1, 1:41 pm, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 1 May, 18:23, Venceremos  wrote:
>>
>> > > 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
>> > > By: Zoraida on: 01.05.2007 [16:44 ] (52 reads)
>> > > Article image
>>
>> > > (394 bytes) [c]         Print
>>
>> > > ''APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
>> > > Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
>> > > Memory and desire, stirring
>> > > Dull roots with spring rain.
>> > > Winter kept us warm, covering
>> > > Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
>> > > A little life with dried tubers''.
>>
>> > > T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). The Waste Land. 1922.
>>
>> > > In april are killed in Iraq over 104 US soldiers, 12 British Soldiers
>> > > and 1 polish = 117
>>
>> I will never try to put Susan out of sucking business!- Hide quoted 
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> SHE IS TOO BUSY AND YOU ALWAYS ONLINE! SO OPEN YOUR MOUTH CROAT!

CROAT? THAT IS A GOOD ONE! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1178024978.756306.8940@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> kangarooistan@gmail.com says...
>> UNTIL muslims unite and stand together as one they MUST accept they
>> have NO RIGHTS AT ALL and will be raped murdered pillaged and
>> plundered one country after another and jailed as terrorists every
>> time they complain
>>
>
>
> It seems to be the Muslims that are doing most of this murdering
> pillaging and plundering.

SON OF A WHORE! WHO SLAUGHTERED 1 MILLION PEOPLE IN IRAQ? MUSLIMS? 




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"The Syn Byn Kid"  wrote in message 
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> On May 1, 11:09 pm, kangarooistan  wrote:
>> babies and raping their women and plundering one muslim country after
>> another and torturing any muslim who tries to object after pretending
>> they are terrorists and jail them for years for trying to defend
>> their
>> babies or innocent muslims
>
> Exactly which babies and innocent muslims were they trying to defend
> on the 11/9/2001?

ASK DOV ZAKHEIM AND OTHER FUCKING JEWS THEY WILL TELL YOU WHY THEY BLEW UP 
THE TOWERS 




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"Bi'nyamin Craamer"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote in message 
> news:f158ph$vdk$1@falcon.steinthal.us...
>>
>> On 30-Apr-2007, chsw  wrote:
>>
>>> [ Moderator's Comment: Very little, if any, Jewish content here HPG   ]
>>> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:

Even if she was a yid, he would have to be the right kind of yid to be 
approved by them 




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 BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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  BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message 
> news:1178050555.575992.254120@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>I know that Israel was caught harvesting organs from Palestinian
>> children murdered by the IDF, but why involve Turkey?
>>
>> =============================
> The problem with Isalamists is that they cannot tell reality from 
> frabrications.
> If you believe in 72 virgins you can believe Israelis harvest organs from 
> children.
 four jewish doctors were arrested just for that read Haaretz!

Maybe jews should use this chicken as an alternative

 BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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Subject: Re: Alex the fool was Re: RABBI DOV ZAKHEIM, THE MONSTER BEHIND 911
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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.209eef022362bd6e989dc6@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article ,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >>
>> >> With regard to Blueridge's reference to remote control of 9/11 
>> >> flights,
>> >>
>> >
>> > Alex 911 was not done by remote control but by suicide pilots.
>>
>> ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY BERNARD, IF 
>> THEY
>> WERE "SUICIDE PILOTS" HOW COME EIGHT OF THEM WALKING THE STREETS OF 
>> MARAKESH
>> AND RIAD?
>>
>> AND HOW COME THEIR NAMES ARE NOT ON THE PASSANGER LIST?
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
>
> Alex 911 was not done by remote control but by suicide pilots.
 CRAP!  ALL THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE POINTS TO THE FACT THAT WTC WAS BLOWN 
UP!  HAVE SOME COOL AID BERNARD, OR MAYEB SOME CHICKEN

 BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
                  by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

                  In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA 
Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million 
chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have 
already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 
breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

                  These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed 
on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food "salvaged" in 
February. Petersen told reporters that the "investigation will lead to 
additional farms."







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"JD"  wrote in message 
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>
> Who is this poster, and why does he hate Jewish people?

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT HE IS THE ONLY ONE HATING FUCKING JEWS FOR WHAT THEY 
DO? 




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Subject: 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, HUNDREDS OF SCIENTISTS PROVE THIS FACT
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THE PLANES THEMSELVES COULD NOT DO MUCH HARM TO THE TOWERS, (ACCORDING TO 
THE ARCHITECTS WHO DESIGNED THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE)

PROF. STEVEN JONES RESEARCH HAS PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT PRESENCE OF THERMATE 
IN THE SLAG TAKEN FROM THE SITE.

SEVEN OF THE "PILOTS' NAMED ARE ALIVE AND WELL, AND NEITHER FBI NOR CIA HAS 
EVEN ATTEMPTED TO TALK TO THEM 




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 1, 10:45 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> On May 1, 1:31 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14120.htm
>>
>> > Interview with Noam Chomsky
>>
>> > Noam Chomsky explains the reality of Israel's actions to Canadian
>> > interviewer Evan Solomon.
>>
>> > To watch the interview, click here
>>
>> 117 Coalition Forces killed in Iraq in April
>   You must be very happy about that.
YOU ARE SALIVATING MICHAEL. I AM A VETERAN AND RESPECT THE TROOPS, THEIR 
DEATHS ARE NEEDLESS.
>
> Michael
> 




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Subject: PRECIOS PRINCIE GOES TO WAR....
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 Prince Harry is expected to leave for Iraq within days. His photograph is 
being circulated round Basra, it seems, as the supreme prize for the 
resistance. Reports say that if captured, they will cut off his ears - for 
starters. The Army say that his "deployment to Iraq ... is under constant 
consideration ."The media seems mostly less than sympathetic to the 
establishment's (and Harry's) dilemma. Joan Bakewell's Independent column 
draws comparison with Henry Vth known as "Harry of England", who, in battle, 
dressed up as an ordinary soldier to hear the truth of what his troops in 
battle really thought, first hand. One declared of him: "I wish he were here 
alone. So should he be sure to be ransomed and many a poor men's lives 
saved." She also points out that were Harry kidnapped, Blair's "we don't 
negotiate with terrorists" stance, which has led to the snatched being left 
to rot or be killed, would be immediately forgotten. Additionally "Rambo" 
raids by the SAS and maybe Mossad would be mounted. That of course would 
lead to many of the public wondering why one life is so much more precious 
than others.

Further, if the Army decide not to deploy the Prince, there will be many 
parents of serving soldiers asking why their sons lives are less precious. 
If he is deployed and confined to a "safe" position, pushing a pen in a 
bunker, they will be asking the same question. "I am an ex soldier and if my 
life can be risked, so can his" posted Davie from Manchester on the BBC 
Online website. He should be treated as "any other son with requisite 
Training", wrote the parent of another soldier.

"I do enjoy running down a ditch full of mud, firing bullets. It's the way I 
am, I love it", said Harry - whose educational achievements appear fairly 
limited - in an interview. Playing war games is one thing, a wily, 
determined, sophisticated resistance in an invaded country, is quite 
another.

One cartoon shows Harry with a cigarette in one hand and a beer in the 
other, declaring that it is only fair he should go into battle: "I've 
already fought in Tramp, Annabelles and Chinawhite" (nightclubs) and 
recently indeed tangling outside Boujjis club with photographers having 
allegedly spent the evening drinking "crack baby" cocktails. Hopefully he 
won't get many of them is Basra. Photographer Nirach Tanner is quoted as 
saying: "He screamed at me to f ... off,, then grabbed me by the collar and 
tried to shove me over." Bakewell refers to "his freedom with fists and 
drink". Fights with mates and heavy morning heads are less than useful in a 
war zone.

Early this week, an un-named "friend" of Harry told a newspaper that the 
young man had told more "friends" he was "not afraid to die". On Sunday, 
another leak from, presumably another "friend" said at a farewell party (at 
another nightclub, Mahiki) he was: "Sh....ing himself". As a leader of 
eleven other servicemen and prime targets, as they are with his regiment, 
hardly the cool head needed.

Abu Zaid of the Malik Ibn Ashtar Brigade of the Mehdi Army is quoted as 
saying: "We are awaiting the arrival of the young, handsome, spoilt prince 
with bated breath ... we will be generous to him ... we will return him to 
his grandmother, but without ears."

"The people who will be in danger will be the troop with him. I would not 
blame any soldier who would not go out on patrol with him. Also, the betting 
is that the patrol will be told to protect him at all costs", posted Gordon 
Allison of Forces Reunited on BBC Online. So apart from the fact that 
Britain, the US and the coalition of the coerced should not be there, there 
is the rub. At every level, what a mess. The British army already under 
siege, now a magnet for every resistance group across Iraq with Harry the 
payback prize for the whole bloody debacle. If he lands with his "boys" as 
he calls them, on 1st May (Ministry of Defence coy on announcing exact date, 
but certainly imminent) the day George Bush announced "Mission Accomplished" 
on USS Abraham Lincoln, four years ago, the challenge to the resistance will 
be utterly irresistible.

Abu Mujaba, reportedly a leader of a resistance unit said: "...we can kill 
hundreds of British soldiers before forcing them to withdraw - but Harry is 
a bigger catch and we will force the British to come on their knees and talk 
to us." It is not looking good.

But two resounding questions remain, here in the real world. Will the 
deployment of the precious Prince, to be baby sat and guarded, in this 
invasion, spark the ultimate mutiny in the increasingly angry clime amongst 
the lied to US and UK troops - and public? And since the war has been 
declared illegal (even by the former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan) and is 
littered with Downing Street's "dodgy dossiers", could he be the first royal 
heir to be charged with war crimes, just for being there - if he returns in 
one piece ?

UN Resolution 33/24 (1978) has plenty to say about the right to reclaim 
illegally invaded territory, territorial integrity and liberation from 
colonial domination and foreign occupation. 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: WHAT IS TERRORISM?
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Terrorism means different things to different people

Hezbollah is actually a legitimate political party and a military 
organization defending Lebanon from Israel,

Hamas, is nothing more than a political party and a legitimate resistance 
organization, resisting the Jewish occupation of Palestine.

Taliban was a government of Afghanistan, and as such is not a terrorist 
organization, but defeated army of a defeated country.

To Zionists  and some Neocons all of them are "terrorists" because smearing 
those you hate is the usual method of the Zionist warfare. 




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Subject: 54,630, and counting...in Jew war
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 US Iraq casualties rise to 54,630
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2007-05-01 20:56. Media
By Michael Munk

US military occupation forces in Iraq suffered at least 197 combat casulties 
in the week ending May Day, as total casualties reached at least 54,630.The 
total includes 27,822 killed or wounded by what the Pentagon classifies as 
"hostile" causes and 26,808 (as of five weeks ago, March 24) more casualties 
>from "non-hostile" causes such as accidents, suicides and illness serious 
enough to require medical evacuation.

US media divert attention from the actual cost in American life and limb by 
routinely reporting only the total killed (3,352) as of May Day and rarely 
mentioning the 25,090 wounded in combat. To further minimize public 
perception of the cost, they cover for the Pentagon by ignoring the 26,188 
military victims who suffered "non-hostile" injuries and illness ( only 
through March 24), although the 3,352 reported deaths include 620 (up one 
>from last week) who died from those same causes. *

Although not defined as "casualties" since they have been discharged from 
active duty, as of the end of 2006 more than 180,000 U.S. military veterans 
of Iraq and Afganistan had filed disability claims.

Another group of unreported casualties are the more than 8,531 dead (770) 
and injured (7,761) "contractors" of American companies through the end of 
2006. Since 156 (as of April 3) of the dead are reported as Americans, we 
can assume the rest are foreign nationals--including everyone from food 
service workers to military mercenaries.


  a.. The Pentagon has shut down its "non combat" casualty website and 
announced a new site to be available after May 6 at http:// 
siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/22020 




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  US Iraq casualties rise to 54,630
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2007-05-01 20:56. Media
By Michael Munk

US military occupation forces in Iraq suffered at least 197 combat casulties 
in the week ending May Day, as total casualties reached at least 54,630.The 
total includes 27,822 killed or wounded by what the Pentagon classifies as 
"hostile" causes and 26,808 (as of five weeks ago, March 24) more casualties 
>from "non-hostile" causes such as accidents, suicides and illness serious 
enough to require medical evacuation.

US media divert attention from the actual cost in American life and limb by 
routinely reporting only the total killed (3,352) as of May Day and rarely 
mentioning the 25,090 wounded in combat. To further minimize public 
perception of the cost, they cover for the Pentagon by ignoring the 26,188 
military victims who suffered "non-hostile" injuries and illness ( only 
through March 24), although the 3,352 reported deaths include 620 (up one 
>from last week) who died from those same causes. *

Although not defined as "casualties" since they have been discharged from 
active duty, as of the end of 2006 more than 180,000 U.S. military veterans 
of Iraq and Afganistan had filed disability claims.

Another group of unreported casualties are the more than 8,531 dead (770) 
and injured (7,761) "contractors" of American companies through the end of 
2006. Since 156 (as of April 3) of the dead are reported as Americans, we 
can assume the rest are foreign nationals--including everyone from food 
service workers to military mercenaries.


  a.. The Pentagon has shut down its "non combat" casualty website and 
announced a new site to be available after May 6 at http:// 
siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/22020 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:133ff4941gk3i8f@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <1178053384.829143.189420@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> George   wrote:
>
> Still afraid to use your real name, Grosvenor?

FUCKING DRUNKEN NANIMO CLOWN, WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT YOU SAY 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
news:1178067403.106692.61030@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 5:52 pm, Fritz Wuehler
>  wrote:
>> Mossad gave these tactics to US
>>
>> What Rumsfeld did not mention in all his public protestations of
>> regret over Abu Ghraib was that in the same month of May 2004 he
>> had on his desk a report prepared by the Navy inspector
>> general's office detailing the interrogation methods, refined in
>> their cruelty, being practiced on Jose Padilla and other inmates
>> in the South Carolina naval brig.
>>
>> Padilla, a Puerto Rican former gang member, found himself
>> incarcerated on the direct authority of the secretary of
>> defense, one of three prisoners accused of terrorism held in the
>> jail and subjected to a carefully designed regime of isolation
>> and sensory deprivation.
>>
>> Padilla, according to his attorneys, would ultimately spend
>> 1,307 days in a nine-by-seven-foot cell, often chained to the
>> ground by his wrists and torso and kept awake at night by guards
>> using bright lights and loud noises. In repeated legal
>> arguments, administration lawyers maintained that Rumsfeld was
>> entitled to hold anyone deemed 'an enemy combatant' in his
>> rapidly expanding prison system.
>>
>> The jewish propaganda campaign that is designed to create the
>> 'reality' of a 'clash of civilisations' proceeds apace with a
>> different "leaked report", this time one that does not result in
>> the leakers appearing in court, mainly because this one helps to
>> prop up the Israel-US-British war on terror rather than expose
>> it for psychopathic war-mongering that it is.
>>
>> The report, carefully concocted out of thin air by the Zionist
>> Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC), which is basically
>> Mossad's false flag terror central, claims that Al-Qaeda leaders
>> in Iraq are planning the first "large-scale" terrorist attacks
>> on Britain and other western targets. The "leakers" were, of
>> course, careful to include the claim that the "al-Qaeda"
>> operation was to be carried out "with the help of supporters in
>> Iran".
>>
>> "Surprise surprise."
>>
>> '...jews are the great masters of lying.'
>>                            -Schopenhauer
>
Do not listen to this Jewish piece of uneducated garbage, Fritz. Padilla is 
an innocent man framed by the Jews for things he is incapable of doing, 
simply because he is a muslim. He is in a vegetative state right now from 
the torture he has suffered over the past four years. Padila has a wife and 
two children in Dakahliya area of Egypt. It is a shame that a young man like 
that was not allowed to enjoy his life in peace 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: MUSLIMS CONVICTED THROUGH TORTURE AND INTIMIDATION
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 QUOTE
I'm giving this statement on behalf of those defendants convicted today, 
that is Omar Khyam, Anthony Garcia, Waheed Mahmood, Jawad Akbar, and 
Salahuddin Amin. These are their words that they wish me to read out:


QUOTE
In the name of Allah the merciful, the compassionate, we bear witness there 
is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, and Mohammed as his messenger.

This was a prosecution driven by the security services, able to hide behind 
a cloak of secrecy, and eager to obtain ever greater resources and power to 
encroach on individual rights.

There was no limit to the money, resources and underhand strategies that 
were used to secure convictions in this case.

This case was brought in an atmosphere of hostility against Muslims, at 
home, and abroad. One stoked by this government throughout the course of 
this case.

This prosecution involved extensive intrusion upon personal lives, not only 
ours, but our families and friends.

Coached witnesses were brought forward. Forced confessions were gained 
through illegal detention, and torture abroad. Threats and intimidation was 
used to hamper the truth. All with the trial judge seemingly intent to 
assist the prosecution almost every step of the way.

These were just some of the means used in the desperate effort to convict. 
Anyone looking impartially at the evidence would realise that there was no 
conspiracy to cause explosions in the UK, and that we did not pose any 
threat to the security of this country.

It is not an offence to be young, Muslim and angry at the global injustices 
against Muslims.

Allah says in the Qur'an, "Oh mankind, worship your Lord who created you, 
and those before you, that you may become righteous."


And that's the end of the statement. Thank you.

http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/1740#comments 




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 Giuliani assails Venezuela's Chavez By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
56 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, whose law firm represents 
an American subsidiary of a Hugo Chavez-controlled oil company, said Tuesday 
that the socialist Venezuelan president is dangerous to U.S. interests.


In a speech to Hispanic small business leaders, the Republican brought up 
Chavez while discussing ways the United States could become free from its 
reliance on foreign oil.

"Isn't it annoying, upsetting and even in some cases a matter of national 
security that we have to send money to our enemies?" Giuliani asked. "We 
need a president who knows how to get things done so we don't have to be 
sending money to Chavez."

Giuliani called for the United States to develop alternative energy sources 
and take advantage of oil already in its control. He said that antagonistic 
leaders of oil-rich nations, like Chavez, would have "little power" if the 
United States could stop buying oil from them.

"Who would listen to Chavez if he didn't have all this oil money? Nobody 
would listen to him," Giuliani said.

He said Chavez's social programs and those of Cuban leader Fidel Castro 
"keep people in poverty" and "keep people dependent."

Giuliani argued that "astounding" unemployment levels show that the 
Venezuelan president isn't using his oil revenues to help his own 
countrymen.

The former New York City mayor spoke to The Latino Coalition's small 
business economic summit the same day that Chavez's government took over the 
last privately run oil fields in Venezuela, one of the world's top oil 
exporters.

Petroleos de Venezuela, the country's national oil company that Chavez 
controls, bought U.S.-based Citgo Petroleum Corp. in 1990. The Houston law 
firm now known as Bracewell & Giuliani has represented Citgo in matters 
involving the Texas legislature since 2005.

Giuliani's campaign says he does no lobbying for Citgo and he joined the law 
firm after it was already involved with the company. He has been defending 
the relationship for weeks, saying the firm represents a U.S. company that 
employs thousands of people in the United States.

"I feel perfect freedom to point out that Hugo Chavez is a person who's 
acting against the interests of the United States. He's someone where we'd 
be in a much better position if we could cut him off. If we could say we 
don't want or need Venezuelan oil," Giuliani told reporters after the 
speech. "I don't think there's anyone that's more outspoken about how 
dangerous I think he is."

Chavez, who says he wants to steer Venezuela toward socialism, is a strident 
critic of U.S.-style capitalism and a leader of the leftist movement in 
Latin America. Chavez has denounced President Bush as "the devil."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070501/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani_chavez;_ylt=AtcP1_tH8e9Iy9KJIOWJ.eus0NUE 




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 U.S. Blocks Israel-Syria Talks
Stephen Zunes | May 1, 2007



Even as American officials reluctantly agreed last month to include Syrian 
representatives in multiparty talks on Iraqi security issues, the Bush 
administration continues to block Israel from resuming negotiations with 
Syria over its security concerns. In 2003, President Bashar al-Assad offered 
to resume peace talks with Israel where they had left off three years 
earlier, but Israel, backed by the Bush administration, refused. Assad 
eventually agreed to reenter peace negotiations without preconditions, but 
even these overtures were rejected.

Beginning in 2005, with the knowledge of their governments, private Israeli 
and Syrian negotiators began crafting a draft treaty to end the decades-long 
conflict between the two countries. The Bush administration, however, 
downplayed the talks' significance.

Following last summer's war in Lebanon, several prominent members of the 
Israeli cabinet - including Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Internal 
Security Minister Avid Dichter - called on their government to resume 
negotiations with Syria. Although Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni appointed a 
senior aide to prepare for possible talks, such initiatives did not get any 
support from Washington. According to the Jewish Daily Forward, it appeared 
that "Israel would be prepared to open a channel with Syria but does not 
want to upset the Bush administration."

Indeed, when Israeli officials asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice 
about pursuing exploratory talks with Syria, her answer, according to the 
Israeli newspaper Haaretz, was, "don't even think about it." Similarly, the 
Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reports that Israeli government officials 
"understood from President Bush that the United States would not take kindly 
to reopening a dialogue between Israel and Syria."

Such pressure appears to have worked. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert 
reportedly expressed concern that it would inappropriate to counter 
President Bush at a time when his policies are being seriously challenged at 
home, since he has such a "clear position on this issue" and he is "Israel's 
most important ally." Similarly, Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres was 
quoted as saying, "The worse thing we could do is contradict the United 
States, which opposes negotiating with Syria." Interior Minister Ronni Baron 
told a television reporter, "When the question on the agenda is the 
political legacy of Israel's greatest friend, President Bush, do we really 
need now to enter into negotiations with Syria?"

Hostility to Earlier Initiatives
Israel and Syria came very close to a peace agreement in early 2000. The 
Israeli government of Prime Minister Ehud Barak agreed to withdraw from 
Syrian territory occupied since the June 1967 war in return for Syria 
agreeing to strict security guarantees, normalized relations, the 
demilitarization of the strategic Golan Heights and the cessation of support 
for radical anti-Israel groups. Only a dispute regarding the exact 
demarcation of the border, constituting no more than a few hundred yards, 
prevented a final settlement.

With the death of Syrian president Hafez al-Assad later that year and the 
coming to power of the right-wing Likud Bloc in the subsequent election, 
talks were indefinitely suspended. Assad's successor, Bashar al-Assad, 
called for the resumption of talks where they left off, but both Israel and 
the United States rejected the proposal.

The Syria Accountability Act, passed by an overwhelming bipartisan majority 
of the U.S. Congress in 2003, demands that "the Governments of Lebanon and 
Syria should enter into serious unconditional bilateral negotiations with 
the Government of Israel in order to realize a full and permanent peace." 
Congress and the administration insisted that Syria enter new talks 
"unconditionally" rather than resume them from the two parties' earlier 
negotiating positions - in which both sides made major concessions and came 
very close to success after several years. In so doing, the U.S. government 
effectively rejected the position of the more moderate Israeli government of 
former Prime Minister Barak and instead embraced the rejectionist position 
of the current right-wing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

As a result, it is unclear how the U.S. government's demand that Syria enter 
into such negotiations with an occupying power that categorically refuses to 
withdraw from its conquered land will "realize a full and permanent peace." 
Indeed, Congress and the administration appear to want to force Syria to 
capitulate entirely and accept Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan region. 
If so, this demand is unrealistic. The UN Charter expressly forbids any 
nation from expanding its territory by force, recognizing Israel's 
annexation would violate a series of UN Security Council resolutions, and no 
Syrian government - even a hypothetically democratic one - could ever accept 
such a settlement.

It is also noteworthy that Congress and the administration insist that both 
Syria and Lebanon enter into bilateral negotiations with Israel instead of 
multilateral negotiations. Such multilateral negotiations, called for by UN 
Security Council resolution 338, makes particular sense given the 
interrelated concerns of these three nations. In any case, prior to 
President Bush signed the Accountability Act into law, President Assad 
announced Syria's willingness to accede to U.S. and Israeli demands and 
resume talks with Israel unconditionally.

In response to these initiatives, Israel announced at the end of 2003 that 
it would double the number of Jewish settlers in the occupied Golan region 
of Syria. According to Agriculture Minister Yisrael Katz , who also chaired 
the government's settlements committee, "The aim is to send an unequivocal 
message: the Golan is an integral part of Israel." This renewed colonization 
drive is also a direct violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which 
prohibits any occupying power from transferring its civilian population onto 
territories seized my military force, and UN Security Council resolutions 
446, 452, 465 and 471, which call on Israel to refrain from building 
additional settlements and withdraw from existing settlements.

Israeli Public Challenges Bush
Within Israel, however, there is also a growing awareness that returning the 
Golan Heights to Syria would not jeopardize Israeli security. While 
maintaining the high ground may have constituted a strategic advantage 40 
years ago, it is far less important in an era when the principal threats to 
Israel's security come in the form of suicide bombers and long-range 
missiles. Israeli army chief Lt. Gen Moshe Yaalon observes that, from a 
strategic perspective, Israel could cede the Golan Heights in return for 
peace and successfully defend Israel's internationally-recognized border.

With Syria calling for a resumption of peace talks, pressure has been 
growing within Israel to resume negotiations, with polls showing that a 
majority of Israelis support such efforts. Alon Ben-Meir, a professor of 
international relations at the Center for Global Affairs at New York 
University, argues for the need to engage with Syria, otherwise the Bush 
administration "will forfeit another historic opportunity to bring an end to 
the Arab-Israeli conflict, however remote that prospect may now seem."

Many Israelis also recognize the broader implication of resuming dialogue 
with Damascus, in that it would likely reduce Iran's regional influence, 
weaken the threat from Hezbollah, improve Israel's relations with other Arab 
states, and encourage more pragmatic Palestinian voices while weakening 
extremists. "The moment there are negotiations with Syria, then everything 
changes in the Middle East," says Danny Yatom, former head of the Israeli 
intelligence service Mossad, "and we can begin renewing ties with other Arab 
states." Robert Malley, former special assistant to President Clinton for 
Arab-Israeli affairs, notes how "the mere sight of Israeli and Syrian 
official sitting side by side would carry dividends, producing ripple 
effects in a region where popular opinion in is moving away from acceptance 
of the Jewish state's right to exist, an putting Syrian allies than oppose a 
negotiated settlement in an awkward position."

As a result, the pressure from the Bush administration on Israel to reject 
Syria's offer for negotiations and the Israeli government's willingness to 
give in to such pressure has led to growing resentment in Israel. According 
to the normally hawkish Maariv columnist Ben-Dror Yemini, "We've always said 
that our arms are extended in peace. That is, unless the Americans twist 
them." The eminent Israeli novelist Amos Oz asks, "Why should Israel suspend 
one of its paramount national interests - peace with its neighbors - for the 
sake of the pleasantness or unpleasantness of its relations with a foreign 
government?"

Debra DeLee, head of the liberal pro-Israel group Americans for Peace Now, 
says that "it takes a lot of chutzpah to tell Israel not to even talk about 
peace with its neighbor." She goes on to assert that it was "outrageous.for 
the President to pressure Israel not to negotiate."

Putting Syria into a Trap
Ironically, the Syria Accountability Act, passed by an overwhelming 
bipartisan majority of Congress in 2003, contains a provision prohibiting 
any U.S. assistance to Syria until the U.S. president "determines that 
substantial progress has been made . . . in negotiations aimed at achieving 
a peace agreement between Israel and Syria." Given the administration's 
repeated efforts to block such negotiations from taking place in the first 
place, it obviously makes it difficult for Syria to comply.

The primary motivation may be more sinister, however.

The Jerusalem Post reported on July 30 that President Bush pushed Israel to 
expand the war beyond Lebanon, with Israeli military officials "receiving 
indications from the US that America would be interested in seeing Israel 
attack Syria." In the early days of the fighting, U.S. Deputy National 
Security Adviser Elliott Abrams reportedly met with a very senior Israeli 
official to underscore Washington's support for extending the war to Syria, 
but Israeli officials described the idea as "nuts" and decided to limit 
their military operations to Lebanon. Haaretz noted that some in Washington 
were "disappointed by Israel's decision not to attack Syria at the same 
time." Meyrav Wurmser, head of the Center for Middle East Policy at the 
conservative Hudson Institute and wife of the principal Middle East advisor 
for Vice-President Cheney, went further, declaring that there was "a lot of 
anger" in Washington that Israel did not attack Syria, which she argued 
would have served "U.S. objectives." U.S. officials also hoped that an 
Israeli invasion of Lebanon might lead Syrian troops to re-enter Lebanon to 
defend the country from the Israeli invasion, which could then be used as an 
excuse to expand the war to Syria itself.

Not everyone in Israel supports attacking Syria on behalf of the United 
States. As bad as the Assad regime may be, forcing its overthrow could 
result in a new regime that is far worse. Following a forced departure of 
the Baathists who have ruled for over 44 years, radical Sunni Islamists 
would be most likely poised to take advantage of the inevitable chaos.

However, the Bush administration appears quite willing to continue its 
divide-and-rule policies in the Middle East by preventing the resumption of 
talks that could end hostilities between Israel and its Arab neighbors. It 
is yet another reminder that the problem with U.S. policy is not that it is 
too "pro-Israel," but that it is anti-peace.


Stephen Zunes (www.stephenzunes.org), Middle East editor for Foreign Policy 
In Focus (www.fpif.org), is a professor of politics at the University of San 
Francisco.


http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4190




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Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel


Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
      By VLADIMIR MATVEYEV


       JTA / The Jerusalem Post  Wednesday, 7 December 2005


KIEV - Iran's president, who wants to see a world without Israel, has a 
vociferous ally in Ukraine.


A Kiev-based university that already has gained international notoriety for 
its anti-Zionist propaganda and anti-Semitic publications now wants
the United Nations to "close" Israel.


The call came in November from the Interregional Academy for Personnel 
Management, known by its Russian acronym MAUP, whose leadership
said the United Nations should revoke its 1947 resolution on the creation of 
a Jewish state.


"Mankind lived without the State of Israel exactly 2,670 years, but from the 
second of its creation all the world feels a constant aggression of
the old 'sons of the devil,' " according to a university statement, 
published last month in the school newspaper, supporting Iranian President 
Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad's recent call to destroy Israel.


MAUP in recent months has become a major purveyor of anti-Semitism in 
Ukraine. But the silence until recently of Ukrainian authorities-many of
whom have ties to the university-has led to criticism from the local Jewish 
community, international Jewish organizations and Israeli officials.


Critics say the issue could seriously compromise Ukraine's hard-earned 
reputation as a new democracy seeking full acceptance by the international
community, including the European Union and NATO.


Stung by growing criticism, Ukrainian officials may finally be taking the 
issue seriously. President Viktor Yuschenko this week urged his country's
elites to condemn anti-Semitism and xenophobia.


"There can be no ethnicity issue in a European country," Yuschenko was 
quoted as saying Monday by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency. In his
remarks, directed toward artists, journalists and academics, Yuschenko 
specifically condemned MAUP for the first time.


Top public figures among school's alumni


The anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism of MAUP's leaders run against Ukraine's 
official policy line, but the school appears to have close ties to leading
policymakers, including Foreign Minister Boris Tarasyuk, an expert on Arab 
countries who only recently gave up his job at MAUP, reportedly under
pressure from Yuschenko.


Many of Ukraine's top politicians-including Yuschenko, Tarasyuk, former 
president Leonid Kravchuk and several members of Parliament-have received
honorary degrees or titles from MAUP. Many lesser-known politicians and 
bureaucrats also call MAUP their alma mater.


These leaders find themselves in good company: The school has bestowed 
honorary titles and degrees on some internationally renowned hate-mongers,
including U.S. white supremacist David Duke, who has a doctorate in history 
>from MAUP and has participated in a number of MAUP-organized anti-Zionist
conferences in Kiev.


Zoya Borisova, head of the school's Department of Russian and Ukrainian as 
Foreign Languages, dismissed accusations of anti-Semitism.


"This is a fight against Zionism, but not against Jews," she said.


MAUP is the country's largest private university. With a dozen branches 
throughout Ukraine, MAUP has about 35,000 students, including hundreds
of foreigners, mostly from Arab and developing countries.


The university offers degrees in law, economics, business administration, 
accounting, political science, practical medicine and psychology and claims
to have a network of alumni and supporters in 60 countries.


Formerly a state-owned college system that offered post-graduate education 
for the public sector, MAUP went private after the fall of Communism in 
1991.


"MAUP was created by prominent representatives of the Ukrainian ruling 
elite," said Josef Zissels, leader of the Ukrainian Va'ad, a leading Jewish 
group, and
one of MAUP's most vocal critics.


Such influence over government disturbs Ukrainian Jews, especially when the 
school's name has become synonymous with Ukrainian anti-Semitism today.


The school has found itself in hot water in recent weeks, but its leaders 
appear unrepentant. Neighboring Poland said it may not recognize MAUP
degrees because of the school's controversial stand on international issues. 
The Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have urged
Ukraine to open a probe into the school's anti-Semitic activities.


Publications include Mein Kampf and Protocols


Yet the criticism seems to have had little effect on the school and its 
president, Georgy Schokin. Schokin earlier this year founded a political 
party,
the Conservative Party of Ukraine, that's preparing for parliamentary 
elections in the spring.


Besides his friendship with figures such as Duke, Schokin and his school are 
said to maintain close ties to a number of Muslim countries, particularly
Saudi Arabia and Iran. According to some press reports, a substantial 
portion of the school's funding comes from these two countries, as well as a 
number
of public groups in the Arab world.


University officials would not confirm these reports, but said the school 
did have good ties with the Arab world.


In fact, the school's reputation is precisely what appeals to some of MAUP's 
foreign students. In an interview with JTA, a first-year student from Iran
acknowledged that it was the university's anti-Zionism that attracted her 
and many Arab students.


The student, who gave her name as Ilda, said she had wanted to study 
medicine in Ukraine but instead studied Russian at MAUP because the school
"struggles against the evil of world Zionism."


Other students who don't agree seem afraid to speak openly about the 
situation.


Liana Musatova, who graduated from MAUP last year with a master's degree in 
political science, said the school is permeated with the political views of
its leadership, which she said could be "dangerous for the students."


Like other current and former students, Musatova receives a free copy of 
MAUP's newspaper, Personal Plus. Almost every issue of the newspaper
carries anti-Semitic and anti-Israel articles.


According to Zissels, 70 percent of all anti-Semitic publications today in 
Ukraine are published by MAUP, including Mein Kampf and The Protocols
of the Elders of Zion.


Ukraine's Education Ministry recently demanded that the school change its 
name to indicate that it is privately run. MAUP's rector responded to the
request by accusing the ministry of political persecution.







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Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel


Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
      By VLADIMIR MATVEYEV


       JTA / The Jerusalem Post  Wednesday, 7 December 2005


KIEV - Iran's president, who wants to see a world without Israel, has a 
vociferous ally in Ukraine.


A Kiev-based university that already has gained international notoriety for 
its anti-Zionist propaganda and anti-Semitic publications now wants
the United Nations to "close" Israel.


The call came in November from the Interregional Academy for Personnel 
Management, known by its Russian acronym MAUP, whose leadership
said the United Nations should revoke its 1947 resolution on the creation of 
a Jewish state.


"Mankind lived without the State of Israel exactly 2,670 years, but from the 
second of its creation all the world feels a constant aggression of
the old 'sons of the devil,' " according to a university statement, 
published last month in the school newspaper, supporting Iranian President 
Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad's recent call to destroy Israel.


MAUP in recent months has become a major purveyor of anti-Semitism in 
Ukraine. But the silence until recently of Ukrainian authorities-many of
whom have ties to the university-has led to criticism from the local Jewish 
community, international Jewish organizations and Israeli officials.


Critics say the issue could seriously compromise Ukraine's hard-earned 
reputation as a new democracy seeking full acceptance by the international
community, including the European Union and NATO.


Stung by growing criticism, Ukrainian officials may finally be taking the 
issue seriously. President Viktor Yuschenko this week urged his country's
elites to condemn anti-Semitism and xenophobia.


"There can be no ethnicity issue in a European country," Yuschenko was 
quoted as saying Monday by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency. In his
remarks, directed toward artists, journalists and academics, Yuschenko 
specifically condemned MAUP for the first time.


Top public figures among school's alumni


The anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism of MAUP's leaders run against Ukraine's 
official policy line, but the school appears to have close ties to leading
policymakers, including Foreign Minister Boris Tarasyuk, an expert on Arab 
countries who only recently gave up his job at MAUP, reportedly under
pressure from Yuschenko.


Many of Ukraine's top politicians-including Yuschenko, Tarasyuk, former 
president Leonid Kravchuk and several members of Parliament-have received
honorary degrees or titles from MAUP. Many lesser-known politicians and 
bureaucrats also call MAUP their alma mater.


These leaders find themselves in good company: The school has bestowed 
honorary titles and degrees on some internationally renowned hate-mongers,
including U.S. white supremacist David Duke, who has a doctorate in history 
>from MAUP and has participated in a number of MAUP-organized anti-Zionist
conferences in Kiev.


Zoya Borisova, head of the school's Department of Russian and Ukrainian as 
Foreign Languages, dismissed accusations of anti-Semitism.


"This is a fight against Zionism, but not against Jews," she said.


MAUP is the country's largest private university. With a dozen branches 
throughout Ukraine, MAUP has about 35,000 students, including hundreds
of foreigners, mostly from Arab and developing countries.


The university offers degrees in law, economics, business administration, 
accounting, political science, practical medicine and psychology and claims
to have a network of alumni and supporters in 60 countries.


Formerly a state-owned college system that offered post-graduate education 
for the public sector, MAUP went private after the fall of Communism in 
1991.


"MAUP was created by prominent representatives of the Ukrainian ruling 
elite," said Josef Zissels, leader of the Ukrainian Va'ad, a leading Jewish 
group, and
one of MAUP's most vocal critics.


Such influence over government disturbs Ukrainian Jews, especially when the 
school's name has become synonymous with Ukrainian anti-Semitism today.


The school has found itself in hot water in recent weeks, but its leaders 
appear unrepentant. Neighboring Poland said it may not recognize MAUP
degrees because of the school's controversial stand on international issues. 
The Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have urged
Ukraine to open a probe into the school's anti-Semitic activities.


Publications include Mein Kampf and Protocols


Yet the criticism seems to have had little effect on the school and its 
president, Georgy Schokin. Schokin earlier this year founded a political 
party,
the Conservative Party of Ukraine, that's preparing for parliamentary 
elections in the spring.


Besides his friendship with figures such as Duke, Schokin and his school are 
said to maintain close ties to a number of Muslim countries, particularly
Saudi Arabia and Iran. According to some press reports, a substantial 
portion of the school's funding comes from these two countries, as well as a 
number
of public groups in the Arab world.


University officials would not confirm these reports, but said the school 
did have good ties with the Arab world.


In fact, the school's reputation is precisely what appeals to some of MAUP's 
foreign students. In an interview with JTA, a first-year student from Iran
acknowledged that it was the university's anti-Zionism that attracted her 
and many Arab students.


The student, who gave her name as Ilda, said she had wanted to study 
medicine in Ukraine but instead studied Russian at MAUP because the school
"struggles against the evil of world Zionism."


Other students who don't agree seem afraid to speak openly about the 
situation.


Liana Musatova, who graduated from MAUP last year with a master's degree in 
political science, said the school is permeated with the political views of
its leadership, which she said could be "dangerous for the students."


Like other current and former students, Musatova receives a free copy of 
MAUP's newspaper, Personal Plus. Almost every issue of the newspaper
carries anti-Semitic and anti-Israel articles.


According to Zissels, 70 percent of all anti-Semitic publications today in 
Ukraine are published by MAUP, including Mein Kampf and The Protocols
of the Elders of Zion.


Ukraine's Education Ministry recently demanded that the school change its 
name to indicate that it is privately run. MAUP's rector responded to the
request by accusing the ministry of political persecution.







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On May 1, 10:53 pm, Al Nakba  wrote:
> On May 1, 6:35 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
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> > I'm giving this statement on behalf of those defendants convicted today,
> > that is Omar Khyam, Anthony Garcia, Waheed Mahmood, Jawad Akbar, and
> > Salahuddin Amin. These are their words that they wish me to read out:
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> > QUOTE
> > In the name of Allah the merciful, the compassionate, we bear witness there
> > is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, and Mohammed as his messenger.
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> > This was a prosecution driven by the security services, able to hide behind
> > a cloak of secrecy, and eager to obtain ever greater resources and power to
> > encroach on individual rights.
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> > There was no limit to the money, resources and underhand strategies that
> > were used to secure convictions in this case.
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> > This case was brought in an atmosphere of hostility against Muslims, at
> > home, and abroad. One stoked by this government throughout the course of
> > this case.
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> > This prosecution involved extensive intrusion upon personal lives, not only
> > ours, but our families and friends.
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> > Coached witnesses were brought forward. Forced confessions were gained
> > through illegal detention, and torture abroad. Threats and intimidation was
> > used to hamper the truth. All with the trial judge seemingly intent to
> > assist the prosecution almost every step of the way.
>
> > These were just some of the means used in the desperate effort to convict.
> > Anyone looking impartially at the evidence would realise that there was no
> > conspiracy to cause explosions in the UK, and that we did not pose any
> > threat to the security of this country.
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> > It is not an offence to be young, Muslim and angry at the global injustices
> > against Muslims.
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> > Allah says in the Qur'an, "Oh mankind, worship your Lord who created you,
> > and those before you, that you may become righteous."
>
> > And that's the end of the statement. Thank you.
>
> >http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/1740#comments
>
> Cry us a river! Al jihadi al kalebna! Mekhtoub!

The party is not over until the fat lady sings, arsehole!



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Convicted by a kangaroo court

Eyal Sivan has been the target of a witch hunt for an entire week. Since 
publication of reports that he will direct a film supported by the 
Rabinovitch Foundation he's been called "anti-Israeli" and 
 "pro-Palestinian," but he's remained silent. "I've been abandoned," he 
says, and claims that the reports were intended to influence the decision of 
the public committees



Merav Yudilovitch

      Published:  04.30.07, 16:21 / Israel Culture





      For a whole week Eyal Sivan has been in the headlines on news pages, 
op-ed pages, and the internet.





      An entire week in which expressions such as the following have 
appeared next to his name: "prominent hater of Israel," "sick phenomenon," 
"Israeli expatriate who serves as a propaganda machine for the liquidation 
of the Zionist enterprise."





      A whole week in which Sivan has remained silent. For most readers the 
name means nothing. Now it is time to meet the man: Eyal Sivan, director, 
academic, lecturer in film studies, a controversial figure now fighting for 
his artistic life.





            Controversial Remarks


                        Filmmaker: Israel regime like East German Stasi / 
Jenny Elazari


                        In interview with Yedioth Ahronoth magazine 'Seven 
Days,' Eyal Sivan, Israeli maker of controversial film about Adolf Eichmann, 
says idea of his new film 'I Love You All' is 'to show how evil in East 
Germany, as in Israel, was mainstream'; adds: Equality, creating state for 
its citizens not possible within Zionist ideological framework
                        Full article




      Last Wednesday an item appeared in the press stating that Sivan had 
been chosen to direct a film called "Jaffa" as part of a combined project of 
channel 8, the Rabinovitch Foundation, and the Jerusalem Cinematheque.





      The initial item was published more than a week before the advisory 
committee to the public council and the Rabinovitch Foundation board of 
directors convened to decide on the recommendation.





      The item did not speak about the film itself, other than in a terse 
sentence that is part of the TV channel's response. Instead it pointed its 
arrows at Sivan himself, calling him "anti-Israeli," "pro-Palestinian," and 
claiming he "presents Eichmann as a nice person" in his 1999 film "The 
Specialist".





      The item was sufficient to ignite the media and to bring out the heavy 
artillery against Sivan. Minister Ya'akov Edri, who is responsible for the 
celebrations of Israel's sixtieth birthday next year, called Sivan 
"anti-Jewish" and demanded that the Minister of Education and the Mayor of 
Jerusalem use their authority to stop the scandal.





      MK Yoel Hasson was quick to express his point of view in a letter sent 
to the press and to Giora Eini, director of the Rabinovitch Foundation. 
"Sivan holds radical, pro-Palestinian views, has lived in Paris in recent 
years, and often speaks out against Israel and its policy, including 
statements that Israel is a historical error. Is it possible that he should 
enjoy public money in the state he loathes so much?"





      Hasson was not the only one demanding that the Rabinovitch Foundation 
rethink a decision that has not yet been made. "We have had many 
controversial films, but when I analyze the public outcry that has arisen 
here, there is no doubt that the discussion is not about the film project 
but about the director," says Eini.



      Sources close to the advisory committee fear that the media uproar 
will affect the decisions of the foundation's public committee.





      "To its eternal disgrace, the Rabinovitch Foundation will be 
remembered as the body that capitulated to McCarthyism if it decides to 
overturn the advisory council's decision. This would be the first time that 
political pressures are driving people crazy and causing them to disqualify 
a person without addressing his art at all. This type of de-legitimization 
is an undemocratic act that will open a dangerous Pandora's box," they say.





      It was journalist Ben Dror Yemini who actually talked somewhat about 
the film itself, which he called a story about capitalism and Zionist 
colonialism that exploits Palestinians.





      "This is a story about the Engineering Corp's bulldozers. They are not 
just contractors carrying out war crimes.. They are also uprooting 
Palestinian orchards. Not because of terrorism, not because of terrorist 
attacks, but in order to satisfy the greed of the Israelis." he writes.


      "To whom does the following script belong? To the devotees of the 
Protocols of the Elders of Zion? To a group of neo-Nazis in Germany? To the 
Islamic Jihad's propaganda department? Or perhaps to Israeli cultural 
institutions?"





      In this interview Sivan breaks his silence, confronting the 
accusations for the first time and speaking about intentional bending of the 
facts. He views this as a test, an example of the use of violent means in an 
effort to influence the public committee's decisions.





      "The series of reports are character assassination, an indictment and 
a verdict without trial. We have here betrayal, assisting a terrorist 
organization. This is intentional bending of the facts. People are not 
allowed to judge and decide for themselves, they have contempt for them and 
they are directing their thoughts."





            Legal Battle


                        France: Court rejects lawsuit against Finkielkraut / 
Merav Yudilovich


                        Parisian court rejects charges against French-Jewish 
philosopher made by Israeli film-maker Eyal Sivan for dubbing him "one of 
the current actors of Jewish anti-Semitism"
                        Full article




      You've remained silent for a week. Why have you chosen to respond?



      "For exactly the same reason I make films. I don't create for the 
readers of Ha'aretz, I believe in the screen and the public and in each 
person's ability to look, think, and form his own opinion without guidance 
>from above. This is out of control. We've come to a point where you can sell 
the readers anything. Someone wants the people not to think for themselves, 
not to question what they read in the paper but just to pass on those 
rumors. It's populism."


      Is it personal persecution? Has someone decided to settle accounts 
with you?

      "No, I think there are people who have a hard time with the fact that 
it's impossible to put me into the usual boxes. I don't go around with a 
terrorist, I'm not eccentric, I have not had contacts with a foreign agent."



      Let's say that the board of directors of the Rabinovitch Foundation 
decides to overturn the decision by the professional committee. Could you 
continue to work on the film?

      "And let's say that I decide not to make this film and instead to make 
a film about the trauma of schoolchildren in Sderot, do you think the 
Ministry of Education would approve me filming in the school? Or let's say 
that I ask the IDF spokesman today for approval to film, do you think there's 
a chance he'd cooperate with me?



      So the campaign has succeeded?

      "Yes. Once a person is called an anti-Semite, a Hamasnik, 
anti-Israeli, it takes root. Sexual assault can become a crime that is not a 
disgrace. What was written about me in recent days is not a crime, but it is 
a disgrace.





      "If the measure of being pro-Israel is how many sexual assaults I've 
committed or how much money I've stolen from public committees and whether I've 
exploited innocent taxpayers, I understand why I'm called anti-Israeli. I've 
been convicted in a public kangaroo court without the right of defense, 
without proof, on the basis of rumors. Without the State Comptroller, 
without reports, without the law.





      "I've been thrown to the dogs, because in a situation where people go 
around with exposed nerves and existential fear, I've become a target. It 
isn't just that I mustn't be given money from a foundation; it isn't clear 
why I'm being allowed to breathe."





      "Perhaps I'm the boy who says that the emperor has no clothes"

      This isn't the first time the 43-year old Sivan has been at the center 
of controversy as in 1987 his film, "Aqabat Jaber, Passing Through", which 
dealt with the issue of Palestinian refugees, created an uproar.





      A strong believer in the right to express his opinions even if they 
are not popular, Sivan was born in Haifa and grew up in Jerusalem. He was 
active in a group of students opposing religious coercion. As a young man he 
demonstrated with members of "Matzpen" in favor of dialogue with the PLO.


      In 1985 he went to Paris for a vacation and stayed there for nearly 20 
years. In Paris he made his films, most of which are connected to the Middle 
East and disputed land. The French Jewish community considers him an 
outcast. French Jewish intellectual Alain Finkelkraut has called him "an 
anti-Semitic Jew," and a French court will hear the libel suit on May 2.





      For the past three years he has divided his time between Paris and 
Sderot, where he lectures in the Film Department, but his opponents, he 
claims, prefer to present him as a foreigner. "It's true that I lived in 
France, but I make films that take responsibility for what is happening 
here. I have only an Israeli passport, even though I could have received 
French citizenship four times. I am Israeli, and this is what gets everyone 
so angry."





      Six years ago you found a bullet in your mailbox in Paris. Do you 
still get worked up by the attacks?

      "What surprises me is the permissiveness, the fact that this is 
accepted as a norm, and that people do not oppose this. That there is no one 
who will ask what is happening here, or how such an attack could be carried 
out, and how they crudely intervene in a purely professional decision.


      "And what does it mean that members of the profession no longer have 
anything to say? Is everything politics and force? Is everything determined 
by journalists and politicians? Where are the workers? The directors? The 
simple people who live here? Forget Eyal Sivan, I'm talking about a 
dangerous process."





      Why do you annoy so many people? What is there in you that elicits 
such extreme responses?

      "Perhaps I am the child who calls out: 'The emperor has no clothes!' 
Perhaps it's because I love the people I film, and I present them as human 
beings. Perhaps it's because I keep on smiling. It's annoying."



      Could it be that you say things people don't want to hear?

      "Of course good leftwing films are those that present the checkpoints 
as something bad, but to make a film about Eichmann that also deals with the 
Holocaust and with memory and the question of equality? This doesn't fit 
into any category. They say that the film shows Eichmann as a small cog, 
this is actually Eichmann's claim, which I oppose, but people don't want to 
have this discussion, it's more comfortable to present me as an anti-Semite 
who hates Israel. I have no hatred."



      So what are you?

      "I am in favor of equality between people, and I don't want to hear 
about civil equality, that's separation. People in Sderot are entitled to 
live with the security that people in Ramat Hasharon have. People in Bet 
Hanun are also allowed to live as securely as people in Ramat Hasharon, and 
that means that for now, the people who are in a state of equality are the 
people of Sderot and Bet Hanun. Those who give the order to bomb Bet Hanun 
and to carry out killings which are followed by missiles falling on Sderot 
are the people sitting in Ramat Hasharon."



      "There is no one person who has the truth"

      Sivan's new cinematic project, to be produced by Arik Bernstein and 
Osnat Trabelsi, is about the Jaffa brand and its connection to Israel. 
"Jaffa" is the story of an image, a brand that has become a symbol and a 
synonym for the State of Israel.





      "This is a film that will combine tons of photographs and posters and 
archival films," says Sivan. "Of course the film will present different 
angles of the story, because this is a story that can be told from a 
thousand angles, which together will make up the truth. There is no one 
person who has the truth, and this is precisely the argument-there are those 
who believe that they have the exclusive truth. I have questions."





      Though he has made 15 films, Sivan's request for Israel Film 
Foundation support for "Jaffa, the Story of a Label," is a first. "Three 
years after I began to teach in Sderot, a tender was published for a 
'past-present' project based on archival material, which is my hobby," he 
says, listing the films he has made that are based on extensive archival 
work.





      "This script was waiting for an opportunity, and naturally I entered 
the tender. It's absurd, if I don't approach the Israeli foundations they'll 
say that I support the boycott against Israel, if I do approach them they'll 
call me a hater of Israel. You can't win here. No one really talks about 
art, just as no one dealt with 'Route 181,' which I made with Michel 
Khleifi, as an attempt to ask the question how it is possible to tell the 
story together in order that we can live together in equality."





      When the papers depict you as a supporter of the academic and cultural 
boycott against Israeli institutions, it looks a bit strange for you to be 
submitting your project to an Israeli foundation.

      "I've never joined initiatives calling for a boycott. On the contrary, 
I am critical of that. To my mind a boycott is absurd. I teach at the Sapir 
College, I would obviously not call to boycott myself. The fact that 
Palestinian directors are calling on foreigners to boycott Israel is their 
affair. I think that they should screen their films here massively and not 
boycott. I signed a letter of solidarity by people in the Israeli film 
industry with our counterparts in Lebanon and the territories, while taking 
responsibility for the fact that our army is perpetrating crimes. This is a 
legitimate position."






      It is said that you are fond of provocations. What really makes your 
blood boil?

      "Being called an anti-Semite. For me that is a terrible curse, making 
anti-Semitism banal. Finkielkraut (French-Jewish philosopher) called me a 
Nazi, and I won't overlook that because you don't speak to Nazis, or you 
fight them and oppose them or kill them. This is part of the world-wide 
campaign that depicts critics of Israeli policy as anti-Semites. It's enough 
to look at talkbacks to see the confusion between anti-Semitism and 
criticism, between discussion and a desire for equality. Anyone who speaks 
about equality in Israel is accused of anti-Semitism. It's a wave that's 
become a maelstrom."




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Christians Demand Bush be Impeached for Worshiping Satan
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(MANCHESTER, NH) - A Christian based group known as the Christian's 
Liberation Movement has concluded that George W. Bush is a fake Christian 
and worships Satan. The group is demanding his impeachment not only for his 
crimes against humanity but for lying to the American people about his 
worship of Satan. It is highly doubtful that George W. Bush would have been 
elected President two times had the American people known about his 
secretive worship of Satan. Although this claim might seem difficult to 
believe, when one looks at the secret societies that George W. Bush has been 
involved with it becomes clear that George W. Bush is anything but a good 
Christian man.

"There is no question that George W. Bush worships Satan," proclaims Lee 
Rogers spokesman for the group.

"George W. Bush and any other member of the administration that secretly 
worships Satan should be removed from office immediately. It is one thing if 
Bush openly announced that he worshiped Satan and was elected, but the fact 
that Bush poses as a Christian and secretly worships Satan is deeply 
offensive to the moral values of Christians," Rogers continues.

Evidence of George W. Bush's worship of Satan is clear when one considers 
the secret societies that he is affiliated with. These include Skull and 
Bones as well as the Bohemian Club. Both organizations are confirmed to be 
heavily involved with Satan worship.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with Skull and Bones

George W. Bush, his father George H.W. Bush and his grandfather Prescott 
Bush all became members of Skull and Bones a secret fraternal society 
located at Yale University. Founded in 1832, the official legal name of the 
society is the Russell Trust Association named after one of the founding 
members of the society. Skull and Bones at one point was actually known as 
The Brotherhood of Death if that gives any sort of indication as to what 
this group is all about. Each year, 15 new members are recruited into Skull 
and Bones and meet in a building known as "The Tomb". The group's symbol is 
a skull and crossbones with the number "322" located underneath the 
crossbones.

Here is the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of the word 
crossbones.

crossbones - A representation of two bones placed crosswise, usually under a 
skull, symbolizing danger or death.

Obviously from the description alone, Skull and Bones is no Christian group. 
It becomes even more disturbing when one learns of the rituals members of 
Skull and Bones must participate in so they can be reborn into this satanic 
order of death. Newly tapped members of Skull and Bones participate in a 
ritual where they are reborn into the order by laying naked in a coffin. 
Members must also recount their entire sexual history, pretend to slit a 
nude woman's throat and participate in other bizarre satanic rituals.

As if this wasn't bad enough, George W. Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush 
along with other Skull and Bones members actually robbed the grave of Apache 
warrior Geronimo and stole Geronimo's skull in 1918. A group of Native 
Americans have actually petitioned Congress to investigate the Skull and 
Bones group as part of an effort to return the remains of Geronimo for 
reburial. Geronimo's grandson, Harlan Geronimo, has even asked George W. 
Bush to return his grandfather's skull and has volunteered to undergo DNA 
testing to prove ownership.

It is ridiculous to believe that a good Christian man as Bush claims he is 
would have anything to do with a group that participates in these things. At 
the very least Bush should help facilitate the return of Geronimo's skull 
and apologize to Harlan Geronimo for the actions of his grandfather.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with the Bohemian Grove

George W. Bush and his father are also both members of a group called the 
Bohemian Club. The all male Bohemian Club's membership which consists of 
America's wealthy and political elite, meet every summer in a place known as 
the Bohemian Grove. The Bohemian Grove is located in the town of Monte Rio 
in the middle of the redwood forests of northern California. Each year, they 
conduct a satanic ritual called the "Cremation of Care" where they burn an 
effigy of a child to Molech a large demon owl. The ceremony could best be 
described as a mock human sacrifice and is hardly anything a Christian man 
would take part in.

This is especially true considering that Molech is actually referenced in 
the Old Testament. In the book of Leviticus, God denounces the sacrifice of 
children to Molech as shown here.

Leviticus 18:21

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, 
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 20:2

Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the 
children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth 
any of his seed unto Molech: he shall surely be put to death: the people of 
the land shall stone him with stones.

Security at the Bohemian Grove is taken seriously as members of the press 
are not allowed to film inside the encampment. Members value their privacy 
and apparently do not want people to know that they participate in a satanic 
ritual and engage in other bizarre behavior. That all changed in the year 
2000 when radio host and documentary film maker Alex Jones along with camera 
man Mike Hanson snuck into the Bohemian Grove and filmed the entire 
"Cremation of Care" ritual via a hidden video camera. Jones released the 
video footage of the ritual in his documentary film Dark Secrets: Inside the 
Bohemian Grove. It is clear from the video footage contained in the film 
that the "Cremation of Care" ceremony is in fact a satanic ritual.

There have also been reports of rampant homosexual prostitution in the 
Bohemian Grove. The NY Post reported that a gay porn star by the screen name 
Chad Savage was brought into the Bohemian Grove to service the moguls there. 
Members of the Bohemian Club are also said to run around naked, dress in 
drag, engage in drug use as well as urinate openly within the encampment. 
There are even allegations of snuff films being filmed within the Bohemian 
Grove during the 1980's. Details of these allegations can be found in former 
state senator John Decamp's book The Franklin Cover-up.

Richard Nixon was even recorded on audio tape referring to the Bohemian 
Grove as "the most faggy godd**ned thing you could ever imagine."

Why would a Christian man be associated with an organization that has 
members who secretly engage in homosexual acts, satanic rituals and other 
bizarre behavior?

George W. Bush's Actions Are Immoral and Not Christian

If George W. Bush were really a good Christian man why would he wage an 
endless war on terror based on lies and propaganda? It has already become 
clear that the war in Iraq was based off of lies and has thus far resulted 
in the deaths of nearly one million people. It is also becoming increasingly 
clear that the attacks of September 11th, 2001 were a government inside job, 
meaning that the entire war on terror that Bush promotes is also based off 
of lies and falsehoods.

The United States is spending close to one billion dollars building an 
embassy in Iraq that is going to be as big if not bigger than Vatican City. 
How can Bush justify spending this money on an embassy when Baghdad is still 
in shambles and the Veteran's Administration in the United States is in 
complete disarray? It is clear that Bush doesn't care about U.S. military 
personnel, or the Iraqi people. Instead, Bush is more concerned with 
building a new modern day version of Babylon as part of an effort to further 
the influence of his satanic New World Order masters. Bush and his New World 
Order masters believe that they themselves are living gods on earth and 
exempt from divine judgment.

The evidence is overwhelming. George W. Bush's association with these secret 
societies coupled with his actions that have caused an untold amount of 
death and destruction is clear proof that he worships Satan. We are 
demanding that Bush and any other member of his administration that poses as 
a fake Christian and worships Satan in secret be removed from office 
immediately.

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=1845

These Christians are really on the ball. Some of us have been telling them 
that for the past two years now.

Lord Cerne Abbas


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Subject: CHRISTIANS WANT BUSH DEAD
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 Christians Demand Bush be Impeached for Worshiping Satan
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(MANCHESTER, NH) - A Christian based group known as the Christian's 
Liberation Movement has concluded that George W. Bush is a fake Christian 
and worships Satan. The group is demanding his impeachment not only for his 
crimes against humanity but for lying to the American people about his 
worship of Satan. It is highly doubtful that George W. Bush would have been 
elected President two times had the American people known about his 
secretive worship of Satan. Although this claim might seem difficult to 
believe, when one looks at the secret societies that George W. Bush has been 
involved with it becomes clear that George W. Bush is anything but a good 
Christian man.

"There is no question that George W. Bush worships Satan," proclaims Lee 
Rogers spokesman for the group.

"George W. Bush and any other member of the administration that secretly 
worships Satan should be removed from office immediately. It is one thing if 
Bush openly announced that he worshiped Satan and was elected, but the fact 
that Bush poses as a Christian and secretly worships Satan is deeply 
offensive to the moral values of Christians," Rogers continues.

Evidence of George W. Bush's worship of Satan is clear when one considers 
the secret societies that he is affiliated with. These include Skull and 
Bones as well as the Bohemian Club. Both organizations are confirmed to be 
heavily involved with Satan worship.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with Skull and Bones

George W. Bush, his father George H.W. Bush and his grandfather Prescott 
Bush all became members of Skull and Bones a secret fraternal society 
located at Yale University. Founded in 1832, the official legal name of the 
society is the Russell Trust Association named after one of the founding 
members of the society. Skull and Bones at one point was actually known as 
The Brotherhood of Death if that gives any sort of indication as to what 
this group is all about. Each year, 15 new members are recruited into Skull 
and Bones and meet in a building known as "The Tomb". The group's symbol is 
a skull and crossbones with the number "322" located underneath the 
crossbones.

Here is the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of the word 
crossbones.

crossbones - A representation of two bones placed crosswise, usually under a 
skull, symbolizing danger or death.

Obviously from the description alone, Skull and Bones is no Christian group. 
It becomes even more disturbing when one learns of the rituals members of 
Skull and Bones must participate in so they can be reborn into this satanic 
order of death. Newly tapped members of Skull and Bones participate in a 
ritual where they are reborn into the order by laying naked in a coffin. 
Members must also recount their entire sexual history, pretend to slit a 
nude woman's throat and participate in other bizarre satanic rituals.

As if this wasn't bad enough, George W. Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush 
along with other Skull and Bones members actually robbed the grave of Apache 
warrior Geronimo and stole Geronimo's skull in 1918. A group of Native 
Americans have actually petitioned Congress to investigate the Skull and 
Bones group as part of an effort to return the remains of Geronimo for 
reburial. Geronimo's grandson, Harlan Geronimo, has even asked George W. 
Bush to return his grandfather's skull and has volunteered to undergo DNA 
testing to prove ownership.

It is ridiculous to believe that a good Christian man as Bush claims he is 
would have anything to do with a group that participates in these things. At 
the very least Bush should help facilitate the return of Geronimo's skull 
and apologize to Harlan Geronimo for the actions of his grandfather.

George W. Bush's Affiliation with the Bohemian Grove

George W. Bush and his father are also both members of a group called the 
Bohemian Club. The all male Bohemian Club's membership which consists of 
America's wealthy and political elite, meet every summer in a place known as 
the Bohemian Grove. The Bohemian Grove is located in the town of Monte Rio 
in the middle of the redwood forests of northern California. Each year, they 
conduct a satanic ritual called the "Cremation of Care" where they burn an 
effigy of a child to Molech a large demon owl. The ceremony could best be 
described as a mock human sacrifice and is hardly anything a Christian man 
would take part in.

This is especially true considering that Molech is actually referenced in 
the Old Testament. In the book of Leviticus, God denounces the sacrifice of 
children to Molech as shown here.

Leviticus 18:21

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, 
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 20:2

Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the 
children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth 
any of his seed unto Molech: he shall surely be put to death: the people of 
the land shall stone him with stones.

Security at the Bohemian Grove is taken seriously as members of the press 
are not allowed to film inside the encampment. Members value their privacy 
and apparently do not want people to know that they participate in a satanic 
ritual and engage in other bizarre behavior. That all changed in the year 
2000 when radio host and documentary film maker Alex Jones along with camera 
man Mike Hanson snuck into the Bohemian Grove and filmed the entire 
"Cremation of Care" ritual via a hidden video camera. Jones released the 
video footage of the ritual in his documentary film Dark Secrets: Inside the 
Bohemian Grove. It is clear from the video footage contained in the film 
that the "Cremation of Care" ceremony is in fact a satanic ritual.

There have also been reports of rampant homosexual prostitution in the 
Bohemian Grove. The NY Post reported that a gay porn star by the screen name 
Chad Savage was brought into the Bohemian Grove to service the moguls there. 
Members of the Bohemian Club are also said to run around naked, dress in 
drag, engage in drug use as well as urinate openly within the encampment. 
There are even allegations of snuff films being filmed within the Bohemian 
Grove during the 1980's. Details of these allegations can be found in former 
state senator John Decamp's book The Franklin Cover-up.

Richard Nixon was even recorded on audio tape referring to the Bohemian 
Grove as "the most faggy godd**ned thing you could ever imagine."

Why would a Christian man be associated with an organization that has 
members who secretly engage in homosexual acts, satanic rituals and other 
bizarre behavior?

George W. Bush's Actions Are Immoral and Not Christian

If George W. Bush were really a good Christian man why would he wage an 
endless war on terror based on lies and propaganda? It has already become 
clear that the war in Iraq was based off of lies and has thus far resulted 
in the deaths of nearly one million people. It is also becoming increasingly 
clear that the attacks of September 11th, 2001 were a government inside job, 
meaning that the entire war on terror that Bush promotes is also based off 
of lies and falsehoods.

The United States is spending close to one billion dollars building an 
embassy in Iraq that is going to be as big if not bigger than Vatican City. 
How can Bush justify spending this money on an embassy when Baghdad is still 
in shambles and the Veteran's Administration in the United States is in 
complete disarray? It is clear that Bush doesn't care about U.S. military 
personnel, or the Iraqi people. Instead, Bush is more concerned with 
building a new modern day version of Babylon as part of an effort to further 
the influence of his satanic New World Order masters. Bush and his New World 
Order masters believe that they themselves are living gods on earth and 
exempt from divine judgment.

The evidence is overwhelming. George W. Bush's association with these secret 
societies coupled with his actions that have caused an untold amount of 
death and destruction is clear proof that he worships Satan. We are 
demanding that Bush and any other member of his administration that poses as 
a fake Christian and worships Satan in secret be removed from office 
immediately.

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=1845

These Christians are really on the ball. Some of us have been telling them 
that for the past two years now.

Lord Cerne Abbas


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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: DIVIDE AND GENOCIDE!
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Divide and conquer then encircle and kill
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Divide and conquer then encircle and kill Since the early day of invading 
Iraq, the USA policy has been following the old invaders wisdom," divide and 
conquer". Thus they have divided the Iraqis according to two contradicting 
rules; sectarian groups as Sunnis , sheit, Christians, and ethnic groups as 
Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen,....Among the Arabs the division rule was seatrain as 
Sunni and sheits, while among the Sunnis the rule is changed to Arab, Kurds 
and Turkmen. It is well known that the majority of the Kurds are Muslim 
Sunni, but when it comes to count Sunnis the Kurds are excluded so that the 
percentage of Sunnis is reduced. This enforced division has led to what we 
see in the last year of sectarian killing among the Iraqis. The last stage 
of Mr. Bush policy in Iraq is to encircle some districts in Baghdad, and 
then liquidate those who are against the occupation. The "great wall" in the 
Al-Adhamiya district of Baghdad which has been recently erected to 
safeguard, as the USA troops says, the people of the district is one 
example. What we see on the ground is quite different. On 28 April a joint 
Iraqi/ USA force arrested 25 men from a local café in the district, then 
they killed 5 of them in front of the others. One more barbaric action is 
that, these forces have occupied the the Al-Naaman hospital in the same 
district two days ago. These forces have forced the patients to leave the 
hospital. If we know that this is the only hospital in the city then we can 
see how people are killed slowly !. It is obvious that the USA troops have 
been advised by the new conservatives and their allies in the sectarian 
government of al-maliky ,to send away all opponents to the occupation, and 
to kill the remaining ones. In this respect more than 3 million Iraqis have 
fled outside and more than 700 thousands have been killed. The UN and 
western media have been giving clued ears to SOS voices of the the Iraqis , 
and yet those to blame is the international terror, forgetting that Mr. Bush 
and his allies are the most dangerous terrorist that have ever been seen. 
!!!


By : Mohammed Younis
May Tuesday 1 2007 


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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: WHICH ONE OF THE LIES DO YOU STILL BELIEVE?
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That Saddam was danger to USA

That Osama Bin Laden attacked USA

That 47 steel columns "melted" from fuel fire

That Saddam bought yellow cake from Niger

That Saddam had WMD's

That Israel is a democracy 




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Subject: FUCKING NANIMO DRUNKARD
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 WHAT DOES HE KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING? 




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Subject: AIPAC is a terrorist organization
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 If the new government of United States turns out to be anti Israel, you 
will fi8nd out just how terrorist Jews can be! 




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Subject: Re: WHICH ONE OF THE LIES DO YOU STILL BELIEVE?
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"reporter01"  wrote in message 
news:1178116278.668763.4050@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 9:34 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> |> That Saddam was danger to USA
> |>
> |>
> |> That 47 steel columns "melted" from fuel fire
>
> Did you know that milliions of jews didnt show up on the
> San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge on the same day that
> a gasoline tanker truck caught fire and the heat weakened
> part of the structure to the point of collapse?
>
That's too bad, but we will get them some other time! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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 HEY STUPID HOW COME YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE HOLOFUCKS?  rEAD WIESENTHAL 
LIES? FIGURES!

LET ME TELL YOU, THAT SON OF WHORE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DEAD MAN IF HE WAS 
CAPTURED BY OSTAF BANDERA AND HIS PARTIZANS, FOR BETRAYING DOZENS OF 
PARTIZANS TO THE GESTAPO.

THAT IS WHY I REALLY ADMIRE YOUR FUCKING JEWS, THEY CHANGE SKIN LIKE A 
SNAKE!

THERE ARE COUPLE OF OLD PEOPLE FROM BUKOVINA LIVING IN CAMPBELL RIVER, GO 
AND TALK TO THEM 




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The Israel Factor infiltrates Democratic Presidential Candidate debate


May 1, 2007 - It was clearly a set up question.  There was nothing random 
about it.  It was a purposeful effort designed and executed by Israel 
loyalists and protectionists that take their orders, whether they realize it 
or not, from a complex web of manipulators now correctly identified as the 
Israel Lobby.



Barack Obama should have expected it.  After all, the Chicago Sun Times 
reported recently that "Obama's camp is well-aware"[1] of the ongoing 
Israeli survey called The Israel Factor: Ranking the presidential 
candidates, and the low marks Obama is getting from the Zionist panelists.



The Israel Factor: Ranking the presidential candidates is a special project 
published by Haaretz, a leading Israeli daily newspaper.  It appears in the 
section of the newspaper called Rosner's Domain.  Shmuel Rosner is Haaretz's 
chief U.S. correspondent, and is based in Washington DC.[2]



Obama's March ranking in the Israel Factor was 3.88.  The scale is 1 to 10: 
1 being 'Worst for Israel' and 10 being 'Best for Israel'.



In April, Obama's ranking jumped to 5.13[3], which placed him ahead of only 
Republican candidates, Mike Huckabee and Chuck Hagel.  Senator Hagel is 
currently ranked last with a score of 3.75 because he believes that 
resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to Middle East peace. 
According to the Israel Factor scale, this position makes Hagel the current 
'worst' presidential candidate for Israel.  But what if it makes Hagel the 
best candidate for the United States?  Think about it.



It is not a question of whether the Israel Lobby exists in the United States 
and influences U.S. foreign policy towards the Middle East.  Its existence 
is incontrovertibly evident.  The only question that remains unanswered is 
how to accurately quantify the threat that the Israel Lobby poses to the 
sovereignty of the United States and the scant remaining liberties and 
freedoms of the American people.  The fact that there is an Israel Factor to 
consider regarding U.S. presidential candidates and our nation's 
presidential elections is all the evidence needed to conclude that the 
Israel Lobby has crossed well beyond the constitutional threshold of free 
speech, and has clearly encroached into the realm of espionage.



The impact and overreaching ability of the Israel Lobby to infiltrate and 
influence U.S. politics was made more evident recently by a particular 
question asked only to Barack Obama during the April 26, 2007 Democratic 
Presidential Candidate Debate held at South Carolina State University in 
Orangeburg, South Carolina.  This was an Israel Lobby loyalty test and 
Barack Obama failed it.



The moment I heard the question, I knew it was a set up.  As soon as I heard 
NBC anchor and debate monitor Brian Williams ask it, I said out loud, "You 
had better say Israel or you're done Obama!



Here's the transcript.



Brian Williams: We have to do a little bit of housekeeping here, and that is 
this.  Our NBC stations across the state of South Carolina have been 
carrying this live on over-the-air and cable television.  We're going to say 
goodbye to them.  We will continue on MSNBC, on cable and the Internet with 
our conversation.



This brings us into the final half-hour of tonight's conversation, and we're 
going to shift categories now to what we are calling non-Iraq foreign 
policy.



Senator Obama, what are America's three most important allies around the 
world?



Senator Obama: Well, I think the European Union as a whole has been a 
long-standing ally of ours.  And through NATO, we've been able to make some 
significant progress.  Afghanistan, in particular, is an area where we 
should be focusing.  NATO has made real contributions there.  Unfortunately, 
because of the distraction of Iraq, we have not finished the job in terms of 
making certain that we are driving back the Taliban, stabilizing the Karzai 
government, capturing bin Laden and making sure that we've rooted out 
terrorism in that region.  We also have to look east, because increasingly 
the center of gravity in this world is shifting to Asia.  Japan has been an 
outstanding ally of ours for many years, but obviously China is rising, and 
it's not going away.  They're neither our enemy nor our friend.  They're 
competitors.  But we have to make sure that we have military-to-military 
contact and forge enough of a relationship with them that we can stabilize 
the region.  That's something I'd like to do as president.



Brian Williams: Senator, thanks.  I'll give up a follow-up.  I didn't hear 
you mention Israel, and I ask because there is a quote attributed to your 
name.  You said recently, "No one is suffering more than the Palestinian 
people."  Do you stand by that remark?



Senator Obama: Well, keep in mind what the remark, actually, if you have the 
whole thing, said.  What I said is, nobody has suffered more than the 
Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to 
recognize Israel, to renounce violence and to get serious about negotiated 
peace and security for the region.  Israel has been one of our most 
important allies around the world.  It's the only established democracy in 
the Middle East.  But the United States has to get engaged in this region, 
and that's something that this president has not done.  That's something 
that I intend to do.



Brian Williams: Time is up, Senator.



Please consider the follow-up question by Brian Williams.  It was written on 
a cue card.  It was prepared in advance.  It was scripted.  Obviously it was 
anticipated that Obama would most likely not mention Israel as one of 
America's top three allies - why would he?  The fact is that Israel is not 
and has never been one of America's top three allies.



I didn't hear you mention Israel, and I ask because there is a quote 
attributed to your name.  You said recently, "No one is suffering more than 
the Palestinian people."  Do you stand by that remark?



And why did MSNBC find it necessary to weave an unrelated, yet factually 
accurate quote by Obama regarding the current suffering of the Palestinian 
people into its attempt to measure Obama's loyalty to the Zionist state? 
What or who could have prompted the producers and editors at MSNBC to troll 
in such murky water?  Clearly, the Palestinian people are suffering.  So why 
wouldn't Obama stand behind that statement?



I didn't hear you mention Israel.



And I ask because there is a quote attributed to your name.



You said recently.



"No one is suffering more than the Palestinian people."



Do you stand by that remark?



The original question was Senator Obama, what are America's three most 
important allies around the world?



In short, Barack Obama answered, the European Union, NATO, and Japan / the 
greater Far East.  These would not have been my answers, but they are good 
answers all the same.



I didn't hear you mention Israel.



So what Brian Williams!  So what!  I didn't hear you or any of your 
producers identify the name[s], title[s], location[s], and contact 
information of the person[s] that suggested, approved, and inserted this 
treasonous question, on behalf of a foreign nation, into a national 
presidential candidate debate.



Best for Israel, Worst for Israel - the crisis in America has reached 
critical mass.  Best for Israel or worst for Israel should have no bearing 
whatsoever regarding who is elected President of the United States.  Best 
for the United States, Worst for the United States is all that should be 
considered.



Know your enemy, and remember the words of Thomas Jefferson.



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of 
patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.



It's well past time for some refreshing in this lost Constitutional 
Republic.



If the Israel Lobby and its media operatives are allowed to continue to 
infiltrate and frame our political debates and sabotage viable candidates 
that they deem not the best for Israel, then they have the power to control 
and censor the political messages heard in the United States.  Consequently, 
the American people will continue to have a tainted and corrupted opinion of 
their political candidates, and unbeknownst to the casual voter, will cast 
votes in favor of pre-approved candidates rather than the best candidate for 
the United States of America



This is the climatic prelude to tyranny.  It is unlikely that it can be 
stopped peacefully.  Only the blood of patriots and tyrants will break the 
stranglehold that grips our nation.



Make no mistake about it - this was a set up prompted by elements and / or 
operatives of the Israel Lobby.  It's a classic example of how it operates. 
There was nothing benign about it.  You are now a witness.




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On May 2, 12:25 pm, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On May 2, 5:18 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
> >  If the new government of United States turns out to be anti Israel, you
> > will fi8nd out just how terrorist Jews can be!




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On May 2, 1:01 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article ,
>
> ElParedon  wrote:
> > WHAT DOES HE KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING?
>
> http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-09-21/news/feature.html
>
> Net Hate in Neverland
>
> To locals, he's a roadside instutition.

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT ARSEHOLE



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 2, 2:33 pm, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
>
> news:1178130690.722115.10480@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> On May 1, 7:32 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> >> Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
> > Zionism (also known as ZioNazism or Judeofascism) was the basis upon
> > which Nazism was formed and is a philosophy of pure evil that must be
> > eliminated from the planet.   Israel does not represent Judaism or the
> > Jewish people, but an ideology of eugenics and racial discrimination
> > that has created a truly ugly regime that makes even Nazi Germany look
> > benign by comparison.
>
> And what you want is racially Pure Islam
NO THERE IS NO SUCH A RACE AS ISLAM, ARSEHOLE

where everyone must read the Quaran
"EL DIN A MUAMELA" RELIGION IS HOW YOU TREAT OTHERS, THAT IS WHAT
ISLAM IS ABOUT, AND NOTHING IN ISLAM IS COMPULSORY

> and be a Muslim or face death.
MUSLIMS HAVE LIVED TOGETHER WITH CHRISTIANS FOR THOUSAND YEARS WITHOUT
ANY HOLOFUCKS OR POGROMS




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LOS ANGELES, May 2, 2007 - Police Chief William J. Bratton said Wednesday 
some of the police tactics to clear immigration protesters from MacArthur 
Park were "inappropriate," as numerous news videos showed officers striking 
people with batons and firing rubber bllets into crowds that included 
children.


Images showed police hitting a television cameraman to the ground and 
shoving people who were walking away from officers at Tuesday's 
demonstration. Some injured people were seen in the videos, including a 
Hispanic man with a bleeding welt on his stomach.
Bratton promised an investigation, and said he would discuss the matter 
further at a press conference later Wednesday.

"Quite frankly, I was disturbed at what I saw," Bratton told KNX-AM. He said 
the actions of some officers "were inappropriate in terms of use of batons 
and possible use of nonlethal rounds fired."

The clash at MacArthur Park started after 6 p.m. when police tried to 
disperse demonstrators who had moved off the sidewalk onto the street. 
Authorities said several of the few thousand people still at the rally threw 
rocks and bottles at officers, who fired rubber bullets and used batons to 
push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.

"(Police) started moving in and forcing them out of the park, people with 
children, strollers," said Angela Sambrano, director of the Central American 
Resource Center.

Several people, including about a dozen officers, were hurt. About 10 people 
were taken to hospitals for treatment of injuries including cuts, 
authorities said. None of the injuries was believed to be serious. At least 
one person was arrested, but police have not released a name.

Maria Elena Durazo, the executive secretary-treasurer at the Los Angeles 
County Federation of Labor, said the trouble was instigated by "a group of 
anarchists, not associated with the rally."

Spanish-language TV station Telemundo said one of its reporters and three 
camera operators had been injured and taken to the hospital by police. 
Several news crews got caught up in the skirmish.

The Radio and Television News Association of Southern California called for 
an investigation.

"There is evidence that officers knocked reporters to the ground, used 
batons on photographers and damaged cameras, possibly motivated by anger 
over journalists photographing efforts by officers to control the movements 
of marchers," the group said in a statement.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was traveling in El Salvador during a trade 
mission, said the incident was "a most unfortunate end to a peaceful day."

Protesters marched in cities from Miami to Detroit to San Antonio attempting 
to convince Congress to create a path to citizenship for the estimated 12 
million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Tuesday's protests were far smaller 
than similar demonstrations a year earlier that drew hundreds of thousands 
of people in some cities, including Los Angeles.




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>
> As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
> With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
>
> Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>
> To be a free people in our land,
 GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU SCUM!

OH I FORGOT RUSSIANS DON'T WANT GARBAGE, EITHER! 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 2, 12:25 pm, Daniel Bernard 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:07:41 -0500, "DoD"  wrote:
>> >Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>>
>> >As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
>> >With eyes turned toward the East,
>>
>> "East as in Moscow and the Urals"
>>
>> >looking toward Zion,
>>
>> "Just like in the crappy second and third Matrix movie"
>>
>> >Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>>
>> >To be a free people in our land,
>>
>> "And our land is Poland, Latvia and Lithuania!"
>>
>> Hey Iscariot, seeing as this shit has been cross posted to s.c.u, why
>> not give us a burst of the American national anthem?
>>
>> Also, why was this shit cross posted to s.c.e? Are you a fugging troll
>> or something?
>> --
>> amicalement,
>>
>> Daniel
>
> and what are you? a half french, braindead usernet nanny?
At least he is not stealing other people's land like kikes are doing 




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 You forgot your own Nazi anthem creepo! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Since September 11, 2001, many of us have wondered: Where are the moderate
> Muslims?
YOU STILL ASSUME THAT MUSLIMS ATTACKED USA!

THEY DIDN'Y DOV ZAKHEIM, AND THE NEOCONS DID! 




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"hateharper"  wrote in message 
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> On May 2, 4:33 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> LOS ANGELES, May 2, 2007 - Police Chief William J. Bratton said Wednesday
>> some of the police tactics to clear immigration protesters from MacArthur
>> Park were "inappropriate," as numerous news videos showed officers 
>> striking
>> people with batons and firing rubber bllets into crowds that included
>> children.
>>
>> Images showed police hitting a television cameraman to the ground and
>> shoving people who were walking away from officers at Tuesday's
>> demonstration. Some injured people were seen in the videos, including a
>> Hispanic man with a bleeding welt on his stomach.
>> Bratton promised an investigation, and said he would discuss the matter
>> further at a press conference later Wednesday.
>>
>> "Quite frankly, I was disturbed at what I saw," Bratton told KNX-AM. He 
>> said
>> the actions of some officers "were inappropriate in terms of use of 
>> batons
>> and possible use of nonlethal rounds fired."
>>
>> The clash at MacArthur Park started after 6 p.m. when police tried to
>> disperse demonstrators who had moved off the sidewalk onto the street.
>> Authorities said several of the few thousand people still at the rally 
>> threw
>> rocks and bottles at officers, who fired rubber bullets and used batons 
>> to
>> push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.
>>
>> "(Police) started moving in and forcing them out of the park, people with
>> children, strollers," said Angela Sambrano, director of the Central 
>> American
>> Resource Center.
>>
>> Several people, including about a dozen officers, were hurt. About 10 
>> people
>> were taken to hospitals for treatment of injuries including cuts,
>> authorities said. None of the injuries was believed to be serious. At 
>> least
>> one person was arrested, but police have not released a name.
>>
>> Maria Elena Durazo, the executive secretary-treasurer at the Los Angeles
>> County Federation of Labor, said the trouble was instigated by "a group 
>> of
>> anarchists, not associated with the rally."
>>
>> Spanish-language TV station Telemundo said one of its reporters and three
>> camera operators had been injured and taken to the hospital by police.
>> Several news crews got caught up in the skirmish.
>>
>> The Radio and Television News Association of Southern California called 
>> for
>> an investigation.
>>
>> "There is evidence that officers knocked reporters to the ground, used
>> batons on photographers and damaged cameras, possibly motivated by anger
>> over journalists photographing efforts by officers to control the 
>> movements
>> of marchers," the group said in a statement.
>>
>> Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was traveling in El Salvador during a 
>> trade
>> mission, said the incident was "a most unfortunate end to a peaceful 
>> day."
>>
>> Protesters marched in cities from Miami to Detroit to San Antonio 
>> attempting
>> to convince Congress to create a path to citizenship for the estimated 12
>> million illegal immigrants in the U.S. Tuesday's protests were far 
>> smaller
>> than similar demonstrations a year earlier that drew hundreds of 
>> thousands
>> of people in some cities, including Los Angeles.
>
>
>
>
> that situation is a collosal mess and they better get it fixed fast or
> it will simply get worse

Tomorrow will be too late! 




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"Federal agencies used only a small fraction of the more than $800 million 
in Hurricane Katrina assistance offered by foreign governments, according to 
documents released Sunday by a private watchdog group. The rejected offers 
included medical teams, search-and-rescue units, body bags, bottled water, 
food, fuel and even specially trained rescue dogs from Poland, according to 
documents obtained by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington." 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> news:0D6_h.22466$qB4.20816@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD"  wrote in message
>> news:yz3_h.5505$dd.2702@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> > Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>> >
>> > As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
>> > With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
>> >
>> > Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>> >
>> > To be a free people in our land,
>>  GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU SCUM!
>>
>> OH I FORGOT RUSSIANS DON'T WANT GARBAGE, EITHER!
>
> Aren't you Russian garbage? You keep lying about how your family was
> murdered in Russia. You never had any family murdered anywhere.

LISTEN FILTH! EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER SAID IS THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND 
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

> 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 2, 2:44 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:0D6_h.22466$qB4.20816@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "DoD"  wrote in message
>> >news:yz3_h.5505$dd.2702@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> > > Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>>
>> > > As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
>> > > With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,
>>
>> > > Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>>
>> > > To be a free people in our land,
>> >  GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU SCUM!
>>
>> > OH I FORGOT RUSSIANS DON'T WANT GARBAGE, EITHER!
>>
>> Aren't you Russian garbage? You keep lying about how your family was
>> murdered in Russia. You never had any family murdered anywhere.
>
> the bastard lies thru his ears just to get the attention, to feel that
> people are responding to him. it's a defence mechanism

NEVER LIED ONCE ARSEHOLE, BUT YOU AND YOUR ZIONAZI HAVE LIED MILLION TIMES.

I GAVE YOU THE PLACE AND THE NAME, CHECK IT OUT 




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"ADL Reporter"  wrote in message 
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> http://adlnews.us/french_candidates_jta_5-2-07.pdf

Unlike in US, French do have a democracy, and do not use puppets in the 
Supreme Court to appoint the creep to Presidency 




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911 truth is spreading like a jungle fire. If you insist on remaining
an ignorant, un-informed and ill-informed academic, thats YOUR own
choice.

"http://www.lmd.no/index.php?article=1408"

For a full review the best and most advertised videos
on "www.911blogger.com" by the scholar Webster Tarpley are here:

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbS7hAxJ954"
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gl3EDVmCyU&NR"
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reKa2jSdNGc"

Norway's Le Monde Diplo publishes Griffin's Rebuttal to Cockburn
Submitted by Reprehensor on Wed, 03/14/2007 - 3:24pm.
David Ray Griffin | Le Monde Diplo

Official English translation below, this has not been published in the
French main paper, Le Monde Diplomatique;

The Truly Distracting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

[12.03.07] Alexander Cockburn's "US: The Conspiracy That Wasn't,"
which is an attack on the 9/11 truth movement, is faulty in virtually
every respect. He calls me one of the movement's "high priests," as if
it were a religious movement, rather than a fact-based movement that
involves scientists, engineers, pilots, war veterans, politicians,
philosophers, former air traffic controllers, former defense
ministers, and former CIA analysts.

Dr. David Ray Griffin

He calls us "conspiracists," ignoring the fact that in defending the
government's account, he is defending the original 9/11 conspiracy
theory. In claiming that the Bush administration and the military are
too incompetent to have organized the 9/11 attacks, he gives an
argument that could equally well be used to prove that they could not
have organized the military assaults on Afghanistan and Iraq. In
claiming that bin Laden took credit for the attacks, Cockburn appears
not to be aware that in the video on which this claim is primarily
based, the man playing Osama bin Laden is heavier and darker than the
bin Laden of all undoubtedly authentic videos, or that the FBI's "Most
Wanted Terrorist" page on bin Laden does not mention 9/11---because,
an FBI spokesman explained, "the FBI has no hard evidence connecting
Bin Laden to 9/11." Although Cockburn says that members of our
movement are "immune to reality check," he endorses the official
theory of the collapses of the Twin Towers, which can be held only by
ignoring an enormous number of facts. He says the towers were poorly
built, whereas in reality they were built to withstand virtually any
eventuality, including being hit by large airliners. He says the
towers collapsed because of being struck by planes loaded with jet
fuel, but WTC 7, which was not struck by a plane, also collapsed. In
rejecting the claim that explosives had been planted, Cockburn ignores
the fact that 118 members of the Fire Department gave testimony
indicating that explosives had gone off. (I quoted 31 of these, along
with journalists and WTC employees, in an essay entitled "Explosive
Testimony.) The official theory about these buildings, which Cockburn
defends, is contradicted by all prior history, in which total
collapses of steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been caused by
externally caused damage plus fire, even when the fires were much
bigger and lasted much longer.

The idea that explosives were used is further strengthened by the many
features of the collapses:

1. They were symmetrical, straight-down collapses, meaning that all
287 columns in each of the towers (47 massive core columns and 240
perimeter columns) and all 81 columns in WTC 7 had to collapse
simultaneously. To believe that this could have been caused by fire,
which was not spread evenly throughout any of the buildings, is to
believe in a miracle.

2. The collapses were total, with each skyscraper collapsing into a
pile of rubble only a few stories high. Accordingly, each of the steel
columns had to be sliced into many pieces---which is what explosives
do in controlled implosions.

3. Virtually all of the concrete and furniture was pulverized into
extremely fine dust particles (which created huge dust clouds). Fire
plus gravity would not have provided nearly enough energy to do this.

4. At the beginning of the collapse of each of the Twin Towers, which
started near the top, steel beams were ejected out horizontally as far
as 600 feet. Gravitational energy, which is vertical, cannot begin to
explain these massive horizontal ejections. (In his companion essay,
"Conspiracy Disproved," Cockburn suggests, incredibly, that nothing
was ejected other than "puffs of smoke." He also seems unaware that
signs of explosions occurred near the impact point, not simply 20 to
60 floors lower, and falsely assumes that the timing of the explosions
would have to be determined beforehand.)

5. All three buildings came down at virtually free-fall speed, meaning
that the lower floors, with all their steel and concrete, were
providing no resistance to the upper floors. Cockburn says: "There is
not the slightest need to postulate pre-placed explosive charges to
explain why the towers collapsed at near free-fall speeds." But that
claim violates basic laws of physics.

5. For many weeks afterwards, pools of molten metal were found under
each building. Steel does not begin to melt until it reaches about
1,540°C, whereas the fires could not have been over 1000°C.

In "Conspiracy Disproved," Cockburn endorses the report put out by the
National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST). But this
report by this Bush administration agency is completely unscientific,
announcing conclusions that radically contradict the data provided in
its supporting volumes. Although I have focused here on the World
Trade Center, there is strong evidence against every other dimension
of the official conspiracy theory, which I have presented in The New
Pearl Harbor and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and
Distortions. In the latter book, I showed that the Commission's report
contains at least 115 lies of omission and distortion. Cockburn
appears to be unwilling to look at such evidence because he is
convinced that the effort to show 9/11 to have been an inside job is a
distraction from really important matters. However, if 9/11 was indeed
an inside job, then what could be more important than exposing this
fact? The idea that America was attacked by foreign terrorists on 9/11
has been used to justify the war in Iraq and virtually every other way
in which the United States has made the world an uglier, more
dangerous place since 9/11. It has also been used to distract
attention from the problem of global warming, which is the really
serious threat to human civilization. The official conspiracy theory
about 9/11, in other words, is the true distraction.





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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=103786 




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 YOU STILL CLAIM THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES!  WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT! 




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 > I'm so baffled at your clever use of the word Bin that I'm going to
> start calling BinAlex from now on. how's that? clever, eh?
FRANKLY, I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU DO, ARIEL!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=103786 




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SIXTH AMENDMENT IS NO LONGER THE LAW OF THE LAND, and do not laugh you may 
be taking his place next!

The Sham of the Padilla Trial
Jacob G. Hornberger, MWCNews



      May 2, 2007

      Jury selection in the Jose Padilla case is now under way in federal 
district court in Miami, but the trial is nothing more than a sham. Why? 
Because no matter how the jury rules, Padilla is almost certain to remain 
incarcerated for a long time.

      If Padilla is convicted by the jury, the judge will likely sentence 
him to serve much of the rest of his life in a federal penitentiary for 
having conspired to violate federal criminal laws against terrorism.

      On the other hand, if Padilla is acquitted, the U.S. military is 
likely to exercise its post-9/11-acquired power to declare Americans (and 
foreigners) "enemy combatants" in the war on terror and throw Padilla back 
into a military dungeon. That is where he was before the government, as part 
of a clever legal maneuver that was obviously designed to avoid Supreme 
Court review of Padilla's request for habeas-corpus relief, converted him 
>from an "enemy combatant" in the war on terror to a federal-court criminal 
defendant charged with violating federal terrorism laws.

      While the military, of course, could decline to exercise its power to 
retake Padilla into custody after an acquittal by the jury, that course of 
action is unlikely given the government's repeated assertion that Padilla is 
one of the world's most dangerous terrorists.

      So either way the jury rules -- guilty or not guilty -- the result is 
almost certain to be the same -- Padilla's stay in jail is likely to be 
greatly prolonged.

      Prior to 9/11, if a criminal defendant, including one accused of 
terrorism, was found not guilty by a federal jury, he would walk out of 
court a free man. That was the whole idea behind the right of trial by jury 
that was guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment. However, the government's 
post-9/11 "enemy-combatant" doctrine, which was upheld by the conservative 
Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Padilla's habeas corpus proceedings, 
revolutionized our judicial system by giving the military the power to take 
Americans (and foreigners) into custody as "enemy combatants," including 
those who have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a duly selected and 
impaneled jury in federal district court.

      Obviously, the government would prefer that Padilla be convicted by 
the jury because then the citizenry can simply assume that the federal 
system is operating normally. No alarm bells would go off, as they would if 
U.S. military officials carted Padilla out of federal court after a jury 
announced a verdict of "not guilty."

      If the military should reclaim custody of Padilla after a jury in 
federal district court has acquitted him, everyone will be able to easily 
recognize the raw military power that now hangs over the American citizenry, 
including the power to orchestrate sham criminal justice proceedings in 
federal district court, ignore federal jury verdicts, and indefinitely 
incarcerate Americans (and foreigners) accused of terrorism in some military 
hellhole.

      Those who traded away our rights and freedoms for safety after 9/11 
would undoubtedly respond to all this with "So what if the military now 
wields omnipotent power over the citizenry? Security is more important than 
freedom. Anyway, the military can be trusted not to abuse its powers over 
the citizenry, and federal officials have promised to restore our rights and 
freedoms as soon as the terrorist crisis is over."

      Those American ancestors of ours who crafted the Sixth Amendment and 
the rest of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, who understood that the 
biggest threat to the freedom and well-being of the American people was the 
federal government, and who never would have dreamed of trading their 
freedom for safety, must be turning over in their graves.

      Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom 
Foundation (www.fff.org).





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 HOLY SHIT, I AM GOING TO STAMP EVERY SQUARE OF TOILET PAPER WITH A JEWISH 
STAR TO CELEBRATE 




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"LC"  wrote in message 
news:vq9i3396p4mndn3767vf87thhufq0taurs@4ax.com...
> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations. And
> the number is increasing. In March 1952, just days before the
> negotiations with Germany began, Yohanan Bader said: "Suppose they pay
> you for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, . .
> . where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more
> money?" ... Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to Shmuel Dayan (Mapei):
> A glik hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) six million Jews were murdered and
> we can get some money."

I am still wondering where did Jews get "six million" to lie about since 
there were less than 4 million in the Hitler occupied Europe! 




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 wrote in message 
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> http://www.thetrumpet.com
>
> Click on 'Iraqi WMD: The Real Missing Debate.'
CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! 




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A Monstrous War Crime [Iraq]
With more than 650,000 civilians dead in Iraq, our government must take 
responsibility for its lies
by Richard Horton
The Guardian, March 28, 2007


Our collective failure has been to take our political leaders at their word. 
This week the BBC reported that the government's own scientists advised 
ministers that the Johns Hopkins study on Iraq civilian mortality was 
accurate and reliable, following a freedom of information request by the 
reporter Owen Bennett-Jones. This paper was published in the Lancet last 
October. It estimated that 650,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the 
American and British led invasion in March 2003.
Immediately after publication, the prime minister's official spokesman said 
that the Lancet's study "was not one we believe to be anywhere near 
accurate". The foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, said that the Lancet 
figures were "extrapolated" and a "leap". President Bush said: "I don't 
consider it a credible report".
Scientists at the UK's Department for International Development thought 
differently. They concluded that the study's methods were "tried and 
tested". Indeed, the Johns Hopkins approach would likely lead to an 
"underestimation of mortality".
The Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the research was 
"robust", close to "best practice", and "balanced". He recommended "caution 
in publicly criticising the study".
When these recommendations went to the prime minister's advisers, they were 
horrified. One person briefing Tony Blair wrote: "Are we really sure that 
the report is likely to be right? That is certainly what the brief implies?" 
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office official was forced to conclude that the 
government "should not be rubbishing the Lancet".
The prime minister's adviser finally gave in. He wrote: "The survey 
methodology used here cannot be rubbished, it is a tried and tested way of 
measuring mortality in conflict zones".
How would the government respond? Would it welcome the Johns Hopkins study 
as an important contribution to understanding the military threat to Iraqi 
civilians? Would it ask for urgent independent verification? Would it invite 
the Iraqi government to upgrade civilian security?
Of course, our government did none of these things. Tony Blair was advised 
to say: "The overriding message is that there are no accurate or reliable 
figures of deaths in Iraq".
His official spokesman went further and rejected the Johns Hopkins report 
entirely. It was a shameful and cowardly dissembling by a Labour - yes, by a 
Labour - prime minister.
Indeed, it was even contrary to the US's own Iraq Study Group report, which 
concluded last year that "there is significant underreporting of the 
violence in Iraq".
This Labour government, which includes Gordon Brown as much as it does Tony 
Blair, is party to a war crime of monstrous proportions. Yet our political 
consensus prevents any judicial or civil society response. Britain is 
paralysed by its own indifference.
At a time when we are celebrating our enlightened abolition of slavery 200 
years ago, we are continuing to commit one of the worst international abuses 
of human rights of the past half-century. It is inexplicable how we allowed 
this to happen. It is inexplicable why we are not demanding this 
government's mass resignation.
Two hundred years from now, the Iraq war will be mourned as the moment when 
Britain violated its delicate democratic constitution and joined the ranks 
of nations that use extreme pre-emptive killing as a tactic of foreign 
policy. Some anniversary that will be.

Richard Horton is a doctor and the editor of the Lancet
Richard.Horton@lancet.com 


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A Monstrous War Crime [Iraq]
With more than 650,000 civilians dead in Iraq, our government must take 
responsibility for its lies
by Richard Horton
The Guardian, March 28, 2007


Our collective failure has been to take our political leaders at their word. 
This week the BBC reported that the government's own scientists advised 
ministers that the Johns Hopkins study on Iraq civilian mortality was 
accurate and reliable, following a freedom of information request by the 
reporter Owen Bennett-Jones. This paper was published in the Lancet last 
October. It estimated that 650,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the 
American and British led invasion in March 2003.
Immediately after publication, the prime minister's official spokesman said 
that the Lancet's study "was not one we believe to be anywhere near 
accurate". The foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, said that the Lancet 
figures were "extrapolated" and a "leap". President Bush said: "I don't 
consider it a credible report".
Scientists at the UK's Department for International Development thought 
differently. They concluded that the study's methods were "tried and 
tested". Indeed, the Johns Hopkins approach would likely lead to an 
"underestimation of mortality".
The Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the research was 
"robust", close to "best practice", and "balanced". He recommended "caution 
in publicly criticising the study".
When these recommendations went to the prime minister's advisers, they were 
horrified. One person briefing Tony Blair wrote: "Are we really sure that 
the report is likely to be right? That is certainly what the brief implies?" 
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office official was forced to conclude that the 
government "should not be rubbishing the Lancet".
The prime minister's adviser finally gave in. He wrote: "The survey 
methodology used here cannot be rubbished, it is a tried and tested way of 
measuring mortality in conflict zones".
How would the government respond? Would it welcome the Johns Hopkins study 
as an important contribution to understanding the military threat to Iraqi 
civilians? Would it ask for urgent independent verification? Would it invite 
the Iraqi government to upgrade civilian security?
Of course, our government did none of these things. Tony Blair was advised 
to say: "The overriding message is that there are no accurate or reliable 
figures of deaths in Iraq".
His official spokesman went further and rejected the Johns Hopkins report 
entirely. It was a shameful and cowardly dissembling by a Labour - yes, by a 
Labour - prime minister.
Indeed, it was even contrary to the US's own Iraq Study Group report, which 
concluded last year that "there is significant underreporting of the 
violence in Iraq".
This Labour government, which includes Gordon Brown as much as it does Tony 
Blair, is party to a war crime of monstrous proportions. Yet our political 
consensus prevents any judicial or civil society response. Britain is 
paralysed by its own indifference.
At a time when we are celebrating our enlightened abolition of slavery 200 
years ago, we are continuing to commit one of the worst international abuses 
of human rights of the past half-century. It is inexplicable how we allowed 
this to happen. It is inexplicable why we are not demanding this 
government's mass resignation.
Two hundred years from now, the Iraq war will be mourned as the moment when 
Britain violated its delicate democratic constitution and joined the ranks 
of nations that use extreme pre-emptive killing as a tactic of foreign 
policy. Some anniversary that will be.

Richard Horton is a doctor and the editor of the Lancet
Richard.Horton@lancet.com 


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      Blackwater has turned into the largest private military base in the 
world with a fleet of 20 aircraft and 20,000 soldiers.


      May 2, 2007

      CAIRO - Many has been written about the privatization of the Iraq war, 
but in his new bestseller book Jeremy Scahill sheds much needed light on the 
ideological roots of the largest US private mercenary firm and its links to 
the theocons and the Christian militia Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

      The book, Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary 
Army, exposes the infiltrating influence of the North Carolina-based largest 
private mercenary firm.

      Scahill writes that the company, envisioning itself as the FedEx of 
defense and security operations, currently has over $500 million in US 
government contracts, not including secret "black budget" contracts for US 
intelligence agencies.

      It has a $300-million contract with the State Department, dating back 
to 2003 when it secured a no-bid contract to guard then Iraq Administrator 
Paul Bremer.

      Blackwater has deployed thousands of highly trained private soldiers 
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      In early 2004, four of them were ambushed, burned and their bodies 
left dangling for hours from a bridge in Fallujah, western Baghdad, 
triggering massive reprisal onslaughts against the town.

      Established in 1996, Blackwater has turned into the largest private 
military base in the world with a fleet of 20 aircraft and 20,000 soldiers 
on the stand-by.

      According to a Government Accountability Office report private 
contractors constitute the second-largest "force" in Iraq with no less than 
48,000 private soldiers who operate with no legal constraints and whose 
deaths are not listed in the Pentagon death tally.

      Theocons

      Scahill writes that Blackwater's founder and chairman, the secretive, 
neo-crusader mega-millionaire Erik Prince, is a major bankroller of 
President George Bush.

      Since 1998, he has contributed $200,000 to Republican candidates.

      Prince, writes Scahill, shows how "politically powerful Christian 
fundamentalists and Neocons are pressing forward with their battle for what 
they call 'freedom' and 'democracy.'"

      He has connections with conservative Catholic groups and funds 
rightwing organizations through his Freiheit Foundation.

      Prince has also associated the mission of Blackwater with the theocon 
movement, a conservative ideology based on the belief that religion should 
play a major role in forming public policy.

      "Everybody carries guns, just like the Prophet Jeremiah rebuilding the 
temple in Israel - a sword in one hand and a trowel in the other," he once 
said.

      According to the Wikipedia encyclopedia, the theocon term refers to 
members of the Christian right, particularly those whose ideology is a 
synthesis of elements of American conservatism, Conservative Christianity 
and social conservatism, expressed through political means.

      "The theocons, too, argue that America is rooted in an idea, but they 
believe that idea is Christianity," Jacob Heilbrunn wrote in 1996 in an 
article entitled Neocon v. Theocon.

      In 2006, Damon Linker published a book entitled "The Theocons: Secular 
America Under Siege".

      Crusades Ideology

      Senior Blackwater executives such as Joseph Schmitz do not only 
subscribe to the theocon ideology but are also members of the Sovereign 
Military Order of Malta, a Christian militia that had a mission of defending 
territories the Crusaders captured from Muslims.

      Before joining Blackwater as Chief Operating Officer and General 
Counsel in 2005, Schmitz oversaw all war contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      He was the former Pentagon Inspector General during the first years of 
the Iraq war.

      Schmitz, says Scahill, "comes from one of the most bizarre, 
scandal-plagued, right-wing political families in US history."

      The Sovereign Military Order of Malta began as a Christian charity in 
Al-Quds in 1080 to provide care for poor and sick pilgrims to the Holy Land.

      After the conquest of the holy city in 1095 during the First Crusade 
it became a Catholic Military Order.

      After the Muslims restored Al-Quds, the Order operated from Rhodes and 
later from Malta where it administered a vassal state under the Spanish 
viceroy of Sicily.

      The Order's fighters, known as the Knights Hospitaller, helped the 
Crusaders in raids on Muslim countries near the coasts of Italy, including 
Tunisia, Libya and Morocco.

      The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is now a state located in Rome 
and is recognized by 50 countries worldwide.

      It is accused of conducting massive missionary work in troubled 
regions in Muslim countries like Sudan's Darfur under the guise of aid and 
charity.

      Its locals or members must take a solemn oath reading: "I will provide 
myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is 
passed, or I am commanded to defend the church either as an individual or 
with the militia of the Pope."








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"BOLUDOVSKY"  wrote in message 
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> "torresdD"  dixit:
>
>> http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=6243&&edition=2&tt
>> l=20070503090331
>
> As long as the original goals of the war were utterly unrealistic, return
> of the kidnapped soldiers and crush the Hizballah, Israel did very badly.
> However, after the war, the Hizballah payed a heavier toll than Israel in
> terms of military and political standing.

SHIT YEAH!  THEY HAVE ABOUT TEN TIMES AS MANY SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY AS 
BEFORE, AND PEOPLE OF LEBANON SUPPORT THEM MUCH MORE THAN THE PUPPETS 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> LC wrote:
>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations. And
>> the number is increasing. In March 1952, just days before the
>> negotiations with Germany began, Yohanan Bader said: "Suppose they pay
>> you for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, . .
>> . where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more
>> money?" ... Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to Shmuel Dayan (Mapei):
>> A glik hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) six million Jews were murdered and
>> we can get some money."

He said: "Luck has found us". There was no reason for any reparations. 
Majority of the Jews were very poor artizans in Eastern Europe, and they 
lied about the number of them killed. There is not one iota of evidence to 
confirm the claim of "six million" or even one million.
Proportianally, all Europeans lost about 10% of their population to the Nazi 
war machine and so did the Jews.

For example; 3 million Poles were killed by the Nazis, Jews simply count 
Poles as "Jews". 




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"Mich"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Art Franks"  wrote in message 
> news:5l0i33heblh80tc8jpfn4fnkp8ldbcjf00@4ax.com...
>> On 9 Feb 2007 16:31:18 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>>
>>>He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
>>>has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
>>>BLOODY LIAR.
>>
>>>HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK
>>
>>>Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
>>>supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
>>>gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
>>>The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
>>>would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
>>>factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!
>>
>>>SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
>>>REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER
>
> Search Google for "Vladimir Ostrovsky Belgrade gestapo" and you will 
> realize that it's another one of Alex's lies. Alex, why do you make it so 
> easy for people to discover that you are an idiot?

Oh, do you think that Jews used their own names when working for the Gestapo 
or any other terrorist entity?
It just so happens I know the scum personally! 




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"Mich"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Art Franks"  wrote in message 
> news:5l0i33heblh80tc8jpfn4fnkp8ldbcjf00@4ax.com...
>> On 9 Feb 2007 16:31:18 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>>
>>>He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
>>>has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
>>>BLOODY LIAR.
>>
>>>HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK
>>
>>>Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
>>>supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
>>>gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
>>>The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
>>>would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
>>>factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!
>>
>>>SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
>>>REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER
>
> Search Google for " Messeschmidt factory hungary" and you will realize
> that it's another one of Alex's lies. Alex, why do you make it so easy for
> people to discover that you are a lying idiot?
You have to learn how to spell Messerschmidt, you uneducated, stupid Jew:

Aircraft Photos of Hungarian Military Aircraft
(from László Jávor, Ferenc Zsák, and Péter Mujzer)


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WWI and earlier pictures (from László Jávor)

  a.. Lohner BIII (Type E), Dm 100 motor, Nr 14.14
  b.. Ufag C.I., H 230 motor, Nr 161.07
  c.. Crashed Brandenburg D.I(Ph) Type KD, Dm 185, Nr 28.67
  d.. Crashed 28.67, another view
  e.. Albatros D.III
  f.. Brandenburg C.I
  g.. Crashed
  h.. Before a Brandenburg CI
  i.. Brandenburg C.I(Br), Merz 160,Nr. 63.74, left side view
  j.. Aircraft workshop
  k.. Lohner C.I, Dm 160, Nr. 18.59
  l.. Very early Austro-Hungarian insignia, Albatros Nr 28

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Hungarian People's Republic  (from László Jávor)

  a.. Crashed Brandenburg
  b.. Fokker F VII, H-08
  c.. Phonix C.I, H-HP.2 crashed

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Hungarian Air Force, pre-1945 period  (from László Jávor)






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IDIOT! YOU STILL THINK THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES, AND SAUDIS ARE NOT!

"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Following is an excerpt from an antisemitic satirical program, which aired 
> on MBC TV on April 19, 2007:
>
> Elisa: I've used five grams of sugar this month. Five grams? That's too 
> much, Elisha. Keep it down, you've become a big spender.
>
> Friend: Help me, Elisha. Elisha, help!
>
> Elisha: What's happened? Is your store on fire, or have they raised the 
> taxes?
>
> Friend: No, my friend. Everything is great, and our shares are on the 
> rise.
>
> Elisha: You gave me a fright, my friend.
>
> Friend: Yes, my friend. Yes.
>
> Elisha: What's wrong with your eye?
>
> Friend: What can I say, Elisha? Yesterday, I slept next to the baby, may 
> God burn him. He has gas, and he blinded my eye.
>
> Elisha: God forbid, stay away from me.
>
> Friend: We're facing a disaster, Elisha.
>
> Elisha: As long as you and me are OK, I'm not worried about any disaster.
>
> Friend: It's written in the papers. Katsav is over and done with. They got 
> rid of him after the scandal.
>
> Elisha: He deserves it, my friend.
>
> Friend: But the problem, Elisha, is who will lead the country, my friend.
>
> Elisha: Whoever is elected by the people, my friend. We are a democratic 
> country.
>
> Friend: True.
>
> Elisha: My friend, I will nominate myself as a candidate for president of 
> the republic.
>
> Friend: Shame on you, Elisha, it was on the tip of my tongue. I came to 
> tell you that I would nominate myself as a candidate.
>
> Elisha: No, my friend, I said it first. Let's not ruing our relationship, 
> my friend.
>
> Friend: Fine, my friend. Nominate yourself. But can you guarantee success 
> in the elections?
>
> Elisha: Of course. Success is 100% guaranteed.
>
> Friend: How come?
>
> Elisha: I will tell you. The thieves and the highway robbers - who will 
> they vote for?
>
> Friend: They won't find anyone better than you.
>
> Elisha: The extremists and the racists - who will they vote for?
>
> Friend: There is nobody else but you, my friend.
>
> Elisha: OK. Now tell me, the lowlifes and the criminals - who will they 
> vote for?
>
> Friend: Nobody is more of a lowlife than you, Elisha.
>
> Elisha: OK, the punks and the bums - who will they vote for?
>
> Friend: What can I say? No one is more of a bum than you.
>
> Elisha: My friend, the only ones left are the unemployed, the sons of 
> bitches, and the perverts - and who will they vote for?
>
> Friend: Even if they toured all of Israel, they wouldn't find anyone more 
> perverted than you, my friend.
>
> Elisha: Give me a kiss.
>
> Friend: So my friend, who is left in Israel that I've forgotten? Everybody 
> will vote for me.
>
> Friend: To be honest, my friend, that's it. There is nobody else.
>
> Elisha: You see, my friend, success is 99% guaranteed.
>
> Friend: What a shame, Elisha. If I were to nominate myself as a candidate, 
> I would get 100%
>
> http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1438
>
> 




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> Lovely Saudi Barbaria.
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>                      BOLUDOVSKY
>
>
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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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>J Young wrote:
>> It is this type of predictable corruption that keeps various
>> governments, organizations, and even individuals such as myself from
>> donating funds to holocaust education groups.
>>
> You hypocrite - you would never make a donation to such an organization 
> anyway.

BRAINWASHING FUNDS? 




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BUILT BY THE JEWS
The Messerschmitt Bf 109 G
Date : 16. Jun. 1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the spring and summer of 1942 the assembly lines began to switch to 
the production of the Bf 109 G, deliveries of which commenced in the late 
summer of 1942 and which was appearing on all war fronts by the end of that 
year. With the phasing out of the Bf 109 F-series , the basic Bf 109 design 
might be considered to have passed the peak of its development, for with the 
introduction of the Bf 109 G-series the constant opertional demands for 
increased fire pwer and additional equipment brought with them a serious 
deterioration in the fighter's flying characteristics. The Bf 109 G could 
not be flown in a landing circuit with flaps and undercarriage down other 
than at full throttle, and experienced German operational pilots have 
described its landing charactreistics as malicious. Nevertheless, some 70 
per cent of all the Bf 109 fighters produced during the war years were of 
the Bf 109 G-series.

The most important change denoted by the introduction of the Bf 109 G was 
the installation of the more powerful Daimler Benz DB 605 A engine in which 
the cylinder block had been re-designed to obtain the maximum possible bore 
with the existing cylinder centers, the permissible rpm increased, and 
numerous other changes made in comparison with the Daimler Benz DB 601. 
These changes resulted in an output of 1085 kW (1475 HP) at 2800 rpm at 
sea-level, and 995 kW (1355 HP) at 5700 m (13700 feet). However, this engine 
was not available for the installation in the twelve pre-production Bf 109 
G-0 fighters which retained the Daimler Benz DB 601 E engine of the 
preceding production model. The Bf 109 G-0 was fitted with a pressurized 
cockpit, a feature which was becoming increasingly necessary in view of the 
altitudes to which air combat had by that time risen, and this also fitted 
in the first production model, the Bf 109 G-1, which was powered by the 
Daimler Benz DB 605 A-1 engine with GM-1 power boost.

The Bf 109 G-1 which was dubbed Gustav by its pilots, carried a single 
engine-mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon and two MG 17 machine guns mounted over 
the engine. The latter 7.9 mm guns were replaced by 13 mm MG 131 machine 
guns in the tropicalized version Bf 109 G-1/Trop, the installation 
necessitating the provision of fairings over the gun breeches. The Bf 109 
G-2 was generally similar but had no pressure cabin. It was used primarily 
in the fighter reconnaissance role, and the service test group at 
Guyanacourt, France, experimented with a vental gun pack in which two 
rear-firing MG 17 machine guns were fitted (Schraege Musik). The Bf 109 G-3 
was simmilar to the Bf 109 G-1 but fitted with FuG 16Z radio in place of the 
earlier FuG 7A, while the Bf 109 G-4 was an unpressurized version of the Bf 
109 G-3.

A batch of 12 Bf 109 G-6 was delivered to Switzerland late in 1944 in 
exchange for the destruction of a forcelanded Bf 110 nightfighter with the 
most recent Liechtenstein radar equipment, so that the Allied intelligence 
sevices could not lay their hands on it.

The Bf 109 G-5 received the Daimler Benz DB 605 D engine which had a 
supercharger of increased diameter and a water/methanol injection system. 
The two agents were contained in a jetissonable tank under the fuselage and 
fed to the engine in times of emergency. When injected into the cylinder 
with the 100-octane fuel, the methanol and water increased the amount of 
combustible mixture per unit volume of the cylinder, the increase in thermal 
efficiency temporarily boosting power to 1325 kW (1800 HP) at sea level. The 
Bf 109 G-5/R2 was fitted with a taller fin and rudder assembly and 
lengthened tailwheel leg in a fresh attempt to cure the swerve which still 
characterized take-off and landing. The new tail assembly was made of wood 
in an attempt to conserve light metals. The Bf 109 G-6, which would be 
fitted with several alternative versions of the Daimler Benz DB 605 , 
carried a 30 mm MK 108 cannon firing through th airscrew boss, two 13 mm MG 
131 machine guns above the engine, and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon in underwing 
gondolas. The MK 108 used explosive ammunition, and its muzzle velocity was 
only 540 m/s (1760 ft/sec), but it proved to be an effective anti-bomber 
weapon. In the Bf 109 G-6/U4 version the MG 151 cannon was replaced by two 
MK 108s.

The Bf 109 G-6/U4N was an improvised night fighter to use Wilde Sau tactics. 
This variant was fitted with Naxos Z warning and homing receivers with a 
range of 50 km (30 miles). The rotating antenna was installed aft of the 
cockpit, but the radar scope merely indicated direction and not distance. 
Two Staffeln were equipped with this improvised night fighter and operated 
briefly in the Cologne area, but the majority of these machines were 
destroyed in landing accidents owing to the inadequate night flight 
experience of their pilots. The Bf 109 G-6/R1 was a fighter-bomber 
conversion of the basic sub-type, and the Bf 109 G-6/R2 carried two WG 21 
rocket tubes in place of the underwing gun gondolas. The WG 21 missiles were 
of 21 cm calibre, but the missile reduced maximum speed by some 40 km/h (25 
mph) and disrupted the airflow over the elevators, and only limited success 
was attained.

The Bf 109 G-7 was a proposed version in which all the successive 
modifications to the Bf 109 G-6 version became standard, but this type did 
not enter production. The Bf 109 G-8 reverted to the old tail assembly and 
was a fast reconnaissance model fitted with a RB 12.5/7 or RB 32/7 camera. 
The engine-mounted MK 108 was removed. The fastest sub-type of the Bf 109 
G-series was the Bf 109 G-10 which, powered by the Daimler Benz DB 605 D 
engine and aided by GM-1, attained 689 km/h (428 mph) at 7400 m (24250 
feet). Climb to 6100 m (20000 feet) was effected in 6 minutes, and the range 
was 560 km (350 miles). No wing guns were carried, and the engine-mounted MK 
108 was optional. The Bf 109 G-10/U4 carried two additional Mk 108 cannon 
with eight rounds per gun in a belly tray, but this was subsequently 
replaced by a non-jettissonable long-range tank known as Irmler-Behaelter. 
The Bf 109 G-10/R2 and Bf 109 G-10/R6 received the new tail assembly, the 
elongated tailwheel leg, FuG 25a equipment for friend-foe identification, 
and a modified cockpit canopy known as the Galland Haube.

Several Bf 109 G-1 airframes had an additional seat installed and were 
redesignated Bf 109 G-12 operational trainers. The pupil and instructor were 
seated in tandem, and the side windows of the rear cockpit were bulged in 
order to improve the instructor's view. The last of the Bf 109 G-series 
fighter to attain operational status was the Bf 109 G-14. This model was 
generally similar to the Bf 109 G-6 and could be fitted with the Daimler 
Benz DB 605 A, AM, ASM or D engine, and armamant comprised two MG 131 
machine guns and one 20 mm MG 151 in the fuselage, and provision was made 
for fitting of two MG 151 cannons underwing. One 259 kg bomb or two WG 21 
rockets could be carried, and the Galland Haube was standard. The Bf 109 
G-14/Trop was a tropicalized version, and the Bf 109 G-14/R2 received the 
new wooden tail unit first fitted to the Bf 109 G-5/R2 but retained the 
short tailwheel leg. The final production Bf 109 G-series aircraft, the Bf 
109 G-16, did not reach operations. It was generally similar to the Bf 109 
G-14 but was heavily armoured for the close-support role.

Despite the advent of the very much superior Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter, 
production of the now elderly Bf 109 was progressively increased. Total 
production for 1942 amounted 2664 machines. This total was not very much 
greater than that for the precious year, a fact according for by the phasing 
out of the Bf 109 F in favour of the Bf 109 G-series, and the retooling of 
the Ago factory at Oschersleben, the Fieseler factory at Kassel, and the 
Arado factory at Warnemuende for other aircraft types, but in 1943 
production rose to 6418 aircraft. In that year the Industria Aeronautica 
Romana (IAR) factory at Brasov, in Rumania, the Hungarien Waggonwerke (DFAG) 
at Budapest, and the Messerschmitt-controlled plant at Györ in Hungary had 
completed retooling and commenced deliveries of th Bf 109 G. Although the 
various complexes of the factories controlled by the Messerschmitt AG were 
increasingly heavily bombed in 1944, production figures still increased in 
leaps and bounds, the unprecedented total of 14212 machines being delivered 
in that year. Of these, 6318 were produced by Messerschmitt's Regensburg 
factories which reached their production peak in October 1944 with the 
delivery of 755 aircrafts (25 per day!). Small numbers of Bf 109 G fighters 
were exported in 1943-44, this type being delivered to the air forces of 
Bulgaria (145), Finland (70), Japan (2), Romania (70), Slovakia (15), Spain 
(25), and Hungaria (59). Surprisingly, in the few month of 1945, before 
Germany's collapse, when communication had been disrupted and few factories 
above the surface of the ground were intact, the German aircraft industry 
still succeeded in producing 2969 Bf 109 fighters, of which 1074 were 
produced at Regensburg.




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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"  wrote 
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> On May 3, 1:07 am, Dumbfuck iBen wrote:
>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations.
>
> Oops. What is wrong with this picture?
 TRUTH!z  SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT USED TO! 




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The Messerschmitt Bf 109 G
Date : 16. Jun. 1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

During the spring and summer of 1942 the assembly lines began to switch to 
the production of the Bf 109 G, deliveries of which commenced in the late 
summer of 1942 and which was appearing on all war fronts by the end of that 
year. With the phasing out of the Bf 109 F-series , the basic Bf 109 design 
might be considered to have passed the peak of its development, for with the 
introduction of the Bf 109 G-series the constant opertional demands for 
increased fire pwer and additional equipment brought with them a serious 
deterioration in the fighter's flying characteristics. The Bf 109 G could 
not be flown in a landing circuit with flaps and undercarriage down other 
than at full throttle, and experienced German operational pilots have 
described its landing charactreistics as malicious. Nevertheless, some 70 
per cent of all the Bf 109 fighters produced during the war years were of 
the Bf 109 G-series.

The most important change denoted by the introduction of the Bf 109 G was 
the installation of the more powerful Daimler Benz DB 605 A engine in which 
the cylinder block had been re-designed to obtain the maximum possible bore 
with the existing cylinder centers, the permissible rpm increased, and 
numerous other changes made in comparison with the Daimler Benz DB 601. 
These changes resulted in an output of 1085 kW (1475 HP) at 2800 rpm at 
sea-level, and 995 kW (1355 HP) at 5700 m (13700 feet). However, this engine 
was not available for the installation in the twelve pre-production Bf 109 
G-0 fighters which retained the Daimler Benz DB 601 E engine of the 
preceding production model. The Bf 109 G-0 was fitted with a pressurized 
cockpit, a feature which was becoming increasingly necessary in view of the 
altitudes to which air combat had by that time risen, and this also fitted 
in the first production model, the Bf 109 G-1, which was powered by the 
Daimler Benz DB 605 A-1 engine with GM-1 power boost.

The Bf 109 G-1 which was dubbed Gustav by its pilots, carried a single 
engine-mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon and two MG 17 machine guns mounted over 
the engine. The latter 7.9 mm guns were replaced by 13 mm MG 131 machine 
guns in the tropicalized version Bf 109 G-1/Trop, the installation 
necessitating the provision of fairings over the gun breeches. The Bf 109 
G-2 was generally similar but had no pressure cabin. It was used primarily 
in the fighter reconnaissance role, and the service test group at 
Guyanacourt, France, experimented with a vental gun pack in which two 
rear-firing MG 17 machine guns were fitted (Schraege Musik). The Bf 109 G-3 
was simmilar to the Bf 109 G-1 but fitted with FuG 16Z radio in place of the 
earlier FuG 7A, while the Bf 109 G-4 was an unpressurized version of the Bf 
109 G-3.

A batch of 12 Bf 109 G-6 was delivered to Switzerland late in 1944 in 
exchange for the destruction of a forcelanded Bf 110 nightfighter with the 
most recent Liechtenstein radar equipment, so that the Allied intelligence 
sevices could not lay their hands on it.

The Bf 109 G-5 received the Daimler Benz DB 605 D engine which had a 
supercharger of increased diameter and a water/methanol injection system. 
The two agents were contained in a jetissonable tank under the fuselage and 
fed to the engine in times of emergency. When injected into the cylinder 
with the 100-octane fuel, the methanol and water increased the amount of 
combustible mixture per unit volume of the cylinder, the increase in thermal 
efficiency temporarily boosting power to 1325 kW (1800 HP) at sea level. The 
Bf 109 G-5/R2 was fitted with a taller fin and rudder assembly and 
lengthened tailwheel leg in a fresh attempt to cure the swerve which still 
characterized take-off and landing. The new tail assembly was made of wood 
in an attempt to conserve light metals. The Bf 109 G-6, which would be 
fitted with several alternative versions of the Daimler Benz DB 605 , 
carried a 30 mm MK 108 cannon firing through th airscrew boss, two 13 mm MG 
131 machine guns above the engine, and two 20 mm MG 151 cannon in underwing 
gondolas. The MK 108 used explosive ammunition, and its muzzle velocity was 
only 540 m/s (1760 ft/sec), but it proved to be an effective anti-bomber 
weapon. In the Bf 109 G-6/U4 version the MG 151 cannon was replaced by two 
MK 108s.

The Bf 109 G-6/U4N was an improvised night fighter to use Wilde Sau tactics. 
This variant was fitted with Naxos Z warning and homing receivers with a 
range of 50 km (30 miles). The rotating antenna was installed aft of the 
cockpit, but the radar scope merely indicated direction and not distance. 
Two Staffeln were equipped with this improvised night fighter and operated 
briefly in the Cologne area, but the majority of these machines were 
destroyed in landing accidents owing to the inadequate night flight 
experience of their pilots. The Bf 109 G-6/R1 was a fighter-bomber 
conversion of the basic sub-type, and the Bf 109 G-6/R2 carried two WG 21 
rocket tubes in place of the underwing gun gondolas. The WG 21 missiles were 
of 21 cm calibre, but the missile reduced maximum speed by some 40 km/h (25 
mph) and disrupted the airflow over the elevators, and only limited success 
was attained.

The Bf 109 G-7 was a proposed version in which all the successive 
modifications to the Bf 109 G-6 version became standard, but this type did 
not enter production. The Bf 109 G-8 reverted to the old tail assembly and 
was a fast reconnaissance model fitted with a RB 12.5/7 or RB 32/7 camera. 
The engine-mounted MK 108 was removed. The fastest sub-type of the Bf 109 
G-series was the Bf 109 G-10 which, powered by the Daimler Benz DB 605 D 
engine and aided by GM-1, attained 689 km/h (428 mph) at 7400 m (24250 
feet). Climb to 6100 m (20000 feet) was effected in 6 minutes, and the range 
was 560 km (350 miles). No wing guns were carried, and the engine-mounted MK 
108 was optional. The Bf 109 G-10/U4 carried two additional Mk 108 cannon 
with eight rounds per gun in a belly tray, but this was subsequently 
replaced by a non-jettissonable long-range tank known as Irmler-Behaelter. 
The Bf 109 G-10/R2 and Bf 109 G-10/R6 received the new tail assembly, the 
elongated tailwheel leg, FuG 25a equipment for friend-foe identification, 
and a modified cockpit canopy known as the Galland Haube.

Several Bf 109 G-1 airframes had an additional seat installed and were 
redesignated Bf 109 G-12 operational trainers. The pupil and instructor were 
seated in tandem, and the side windows of the rear cockpit were bulged in 
order to improve the instructor's view. The last of the Bf 109 G-series 
fighter to attain operational status was the Bf 109 G-14. This model was 
generally similar to the Bf 109 G-6 and could be fitted with the Daimler 
Benz DB 605 A, AM, ASM or D engine, and armamant comprised two MG 131 
machine guns and one 20 mm MG 151 in the fuselage, and provision was made 
for fitting of two MG 151 cannons underwing. One 259 kg bomb or two WG 21 
rockets could be carried, and the Galland Haube was standard. The Bf 109 
G-14/Trop was a tropicalized version, and the Bf 109 G-14/R2 received the 
new wooden tail unit first fitted to the Bf 109 G-5/R2 but retained the 
short tailwheel leg. The final production Bf 109 G-series aircraft, the Bf 
109 G-16, did not reach operations. It was generally similar to the Bf 109 
G-14 but was heavily armoured for the close-support role.

Despite the advent of the very much superior Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter, 
production of the now elderly Bf 109 was progressively increased. Total 
production for 1942 amounted 2664 machines. This total was not very much 
greater than that for the precious year, a fact according for by the phasing 
out of the Bf 109 F in favour of the Bf 109 G-series, and the retooling of 
the Ago factory at Oschersleben, the Fieseler factory at Kassel, and the 
Arado factory at Warnemuende for other aircraft types, but in 1943 
production rose to 6418 aircraft. In that year the Industria Aeronautica 
Romana (IAR) factory at Brasov, in Rumania, the Hungarien Waggonwerke (DFAG) 
at Budapest, and the Messerschmitt-controlled plant at Györ in Hungary had 
completed retooling and commenced deliveries of th Bf 109 G. Although the 
various complexes of the factories controlled by the Messerschmitt AG were 
increasingly heavily bombed in 1944, production figures still increased in 
leaps and bounds, the unprecedented total of 14212 machines being delivered 
in that year. Of these, 6318 were produced by Messerschmitt's Regensburg 
factories which reached their production peak in October 1944 with the 
delivery of 755 aircrafts (25 per day!). Small numbers of Bf 109 G fighters 
were exported in 1943-44, this type being delivered to the air forces of 
Bulgaria (145), Finland (70), Japan (2), Romania (70), Slovakia (15), Spain 
(25), and Hungaria (59). Surprisingly, in the few month of 1945, before 
Germany's collapse, when communication had been disrupted and few factories 
above the surface of the ground were intact, the German aircraft industry 
still succeeded in producing 2969 Bf 109 fighters, of which 1074 were 
produced at Regensburg.




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On May 3, 9:00 am, Bert Hyman  wrote:
> s...@compuserb.com (ADL Reporter) wrote innews:1178166373.791364.56890@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
 AMERICAN DEFENCE LEAGUE, DEFENDS AMERICANS FROM THE FUCKING JEWS AND
THEIR TERROR SQUADS, DRUG PEDDLERS AND SHYSTERS



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From: Venceremos 
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 SLAVERY IS IN FULL SWING IN TEL AVIV, PEOPLE ARE BEING SOLD LIKE
CHATTEL IN THE DINGY BORDELLOS OF TELL AVIV



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On May 3, 11:52 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Despite the advent of the very much superior Focke-Wulf Fw 190 fighter,
> > production of the now elderly Bf 109 was progressively increased
>
> I am not so sure the Bf 109 was that much worse then the Fw 190 and much
> cheaper. It is interesting that after WW2, B109 were still being
> produced and used by airforces in the 1950s but not Fw 190.


We shipped them through Podgorica to the bloody Jew Air Force. I wish
we didn't



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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Salah Jafar"  wrote in message
> news:qpo_h.9249$KP1.5299@trnddc02...
>> Hezbollah leader says he 'respects' Israeli verdict of Lebanon war
> failure.
>>
>>
>
>
> ,,,
>
>> Sayyed Nasrallah said that there is an old political decision to keep 
>> this
>> nation ignorant and unable to rise, so as to remain subordinate. <
>
> Yeah, that "decsion" is called "Islam."  Islam is a movement to keep 
> people
> ignorant, especially women.
Telling me! It is the Jews that do not allow women to ride in front of the 
bus, it is Jews that the women to pulp if they do ride in front of the bus 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Liar Alex "ElParedon" Seredin  
> wrote:
>
>>"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"  wrote
>>in message news:1178180106.379157.86820@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 3, 1:07 am, Dumbfuck iBen wrote:
>>>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations.
>>>
>>> Oops. What is wrong with this picture?
>> TRUTH!z  SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT USED TO!
>
> http://mediacrity.blogspot.com/2005_11_20_mediacrity_archive.html
>
> Seashells, Plastic Mermaids -- and Internet Hate
>
> A reader brings to my attention this cute little
> item in City Link magazine, a publication of the
> Tribune Company-owned Sun Sentinel in South Florida

NANAIMO SHITHEAD! BUSINESS HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER AND JEWS PISS ON YOU AND 
YOUR CRAP! 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "cactus"  wrote in message 
>> news:Vge_h.18470$Kd3.9331@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> LC wrote:
>>>> So far Germany has paid over DM 120,000,000,000 in reparations. And
>>>> the number is increasing. In March 1952, just days before the
>>>> negotiations with Germany began, Yohanan Bader said: "Suppose they pay
>>>> you for six million Jews, but when the reparations period is over, . .
>>>> . where will you get six million more Jews so that you can get more
>>>> money?" ... Haim Landau called out in Yiddish to Shmuel Dayan (Mapei):
>>>> A glik hot unz getrofen (lucky us!) six million Jews were murdered and
>>>> we can get some money."
>>
>> He said: "Luck has found us". There was no reason for any reparations. 
>> Majority of the Jews were very poor artizans in Eastern Europe, and they 
>> lied about the number of them killed. There is not one iota of evidence 
>> to confirm the claim of "six million" or even one million.
>> Proportianally, all Europeans lost about 10% of their population to the 
>> Nazi war machine and so did the Jews.
>>
>> For example; 3 million Poles were killed by the Nazis, Jews simply count 
>> Poles as "Jews".
> Citations?
CITATIONS FROM YOU THAT THERE WERE SIX MILLION JEWS IN HITLER OCCUPIED 
EU8ROPE! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1177251347.468844.146440@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> On Apr 22, 6:26 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>> > In article <1177208799.310510.316...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>> >
>> > > Paul Wolfowitz's grip on his job as president of the World Bank was
>> > > shaken yesterday after the bank's governing council declared it had
>> > > "great concern" and ordered an investigation into the contracts of
>> > > staff connected to him. After an emergency meeting, the bank's
>> > > executive directors set up a wide-ranging inquiry into alleged
>> > > breaches of the bank's code of conduct and ethical rules, and into
>> > > statements about the controversy made by Mr Wolfowitz's office.
>> >
>> > She is not Jewish but Muslim Alex.
>>
>> IT IS NOT A "AHE" IDIOT. WOLFOWITZ IS A JEW QUEER
>>
>>
>
> Fool!
>
> Wofowitz partner is a Muslims woman!
 YOU MEAN A WHORE! YEP THERE ARE MUSLIM WHORES ALSO 




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Insurgents 'right to take on US'


Insurgents in Iraq are right to try to force US troops out of the country, a 
former British army commander has said.
Gen Sir Michael Rose also told the BBC's Newsnight programme that the US and 
the UK must "admit defeat" and stop fighting "a hopeless war" in Iraq.

Iraqi insurgents would not give in, he said. "I don't excuse them for some 
of the terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting."

The total number of UK troops killed in operations in Iraq stands at 147.

'Admit defeat'

Sir Michael has written a book drawing similarities between the tactics of 
insurgents and George Washington's men in America's War of Independence.

He told Newsnight: "As Lord Chatham said, when he was speaking on the 
British presence in North America, he said 'if I was an American, as I am an 
Englishman, as long as one Englishman remained on American native soil, I 
would never, never, never lay down my arms'.

"The Iraqi insurgents feel exactly the same way."

He said it was time to bring troops home.

"It is the soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war 
they have been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it 
and the sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the 
sooner they will come home and their lives will be preserved."

This meant the UK government would have to admit defeat, he added.

"The British admitted defeat in North America and the catastrophes that were 
predicted at the time never happened," the ex-Bosnia UN chief said.

"The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened.

"The same thing will occur after we leave Iraq."




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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 9:18 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>>  SLAVERY IS IN FULL SWING IN TEL AVIV, PEOPLE ARE BEING SOLD LIKE
>> CHATTEL IN THE DINGY BORDELLOS OF TELL AVIV
>
>   How many did you buy?
ONLY JEWISH COCKROACHES ARE ALLOWED IN
>
> Michael
> 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:44 EDT 2007
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 there are no jews arsehole, JUST RUSSIANS! 




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine. Islam is 
> their only choice for better future and happiness. It will teach them that 
> stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran. Extortion, blackmail, wall 
> street thievery is all illegal in Islam. Homosexuality and lesbianism is 
> also forbidden. Face the truth today and come and join the great religion 
> that guarantee you happiness and prosperity.
> SJ
Agreed! here in South Florida dozens of Jews have converted to Islam. Some 
are newcomers from Israel who are fed up with the treatment of Palestinians. 
They are very shy about publicity, and just want to be one of the muslims. 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f1dpog$t6l$1@aioe.org...
> drdavez28@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On May 3, 2:49 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> > Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine.
>> > Islam is their only choice for better future and happiness. It will
>> > teach them that stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran.
>
> ROFL.......
> Honour killings
You do not have to worry about that tilly, since you have neither honor nor 
faith! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 2:49 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine. Islam is
>> their only choice for better future and happiness. It will teach them 
>> that
>> stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran. Extortion, blackmail, 
>> wall
>> street thievery is all illegal in Islam. Homosexuality and lesbianism is
>> also forbidden. Face the truth today and come and join the great religion
>> that guarantee you happiness and prosperity.
>> SJ
>
> LOL, happiness and prosperity.  Most muslims are dirt poor and
> miserable
Really?  How many muslims have you ever known in your miserable life? 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f1dqbf$unp$1@aioe.org...
> Salah Jafar wrote:
>> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine.
>> Islam is their only choice for better future and happiness. It will
>> teach them that stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran.
>> Extortion, blackmail, wall street thievery is all illegal in Islam.
>> Homosexuality and lesbianism is also forbidden.
>
>
> Bestiality:
 now is your chance Tilly, somebody may mistake you for a cow! 




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"Tilly"  wrote in message news:f1dqdp$v47$1@aioe.org...
> Salah Jafar wrote:
>> Jews must convert to Islam or they are not welcome in Palestine.
>> Islam is their only choice for better future and happiness. It will
>> teach them that stealing and killing is forbidden in the Quran.
>> Extortion, blackmail, wall street thievery is all illegal in Islam.
>> Homosexuality and lesbianism is also forbidden. Face the truth today
>> and come and join the great religion that guarantee you happiness and
>> prosperity.
>> SJ
>
> Have you converted Salah.
> Last year you claimed to be a Christian!
 So what?  Arab muslims and Christians are brothers and have always lived in 
peace 




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 AMERICANS KILLED LOTS OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN, THAT IS THE MARINE SPECIALITY 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Nitwit Alex "ElParedon" Seredin  
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> YOU MEAN A WHORE! YEP THERE ARE MUSLIM WHORES ALSO
>
> No doubt Mr. Seredin has tried them all.

NO DOUBT HE HAS! 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 4:35 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Semepr Fi
>>
>> Jews are excluded.
>> SJ
>
> You correct many Jews are excluded that is why the good Jews on Eretz
> Israel have the common sense to exclude themselves from the murdering
> Palestinians that dwell nearby.

SO FAR ARSEHOLE1 FUCKING JEWS HAVE MURDERED HUNDRED TIMES MORE PALESTINIANS 
THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND

BUT, WAIT! THE PARTY IS NOT OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 3:45 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Ah Men, hey may rot in hell, he may suffer the worse death because he
>> betrayed our beloved nation. I personally have fought 3 wars for this
>> country and seen men of good patriotic nature,  my fellow soldier die in 
>> the
>> battle field. This fucking Jew, this  criminal traitor sold our nation to
>> the filthy Jews.
>> SJ
>> Semper Fi
>
> The only war you've fought jafar is the war of masturbating
> ignoramuses that worship the asshole's of the goats and camels. You
> are not a Marine, you are not an American, you are a Muslim terrorist
> that needs a M-16 round in the head.  You are a candy ass dishonorable
> parasite on the Saudi Kings pay roll.

HEY NEFESH, HOW MANY PALESTINIAN KIDS HAVE YOU SHOT DEAD YOU FILTHY COWARDLY 
BASTARD.

SALAH CERTAINLY WAS A MARINE OF DISTINCTION, I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT 




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43% of Iraqis live in absolute poverty - government report
Kamal al-Basri, Azzaman



      Azzaman, May 2, 2007

      Poverty is rampant throughout Iraq with more than half the population 
lacking basic means to survive, a government survey shows.

      The survey by the Central Statistical Bureau says that 43 percent of 
Iraqis suffer from 'absolute poverty' and another 11 percent of them live in 
'abject poverty'.

      Both terms are measures aid organizations use to quantify poverty in 
the world and they refer to people below poverty level.

      People in absolute poverty lack the necessary food, clothing or 
shelter to survive and 43 percent of Iraqis now fall into that category, the 
survey says.

      People in abject poverty lack a minimum income or consumption level 
necessary to meet basic needs and 11 percent of Iraqis are in that category, 
according to the survey.

      The study is the result of a nation-wide survey of families across the 
country and takes into consideration the millions of Iraqis who have been 
displaced or forced to flee abroad.

      The survey is the largest and most comprehensive the bureau has 
conducted in the past four years. Hundreds of researchers and civil servants 
working in its offices in Iraq were involved.





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"Geoff Miller"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> I read somewhere recently that the jewfish had been renamed
> because the species' original name was supposedly offensive
> and anti-Semitic.
>
> This aroused my curiosity.  It seems to me that whether the
> original species name was actually offensive would depend on
> what perceived characteristic of Jewish people the fish was
> named for, and how typical that characteristic is in real life.
>
> It naturally follows that even the if characteristic in question
> were unflattering, there'd be no grounds for objecting to it if
> it were true.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
> Geoff
 Jewfish will always be jewish no matter what ZioNazis renamed it. 




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 wrote in message 
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> Joan Peters' book has been discredited and found to be a hoax by
> hundreds of researches.
> Jews are nothing more than parasites of Palestine.  "Israel" was
> created when, after 2,000 years, Jews decided they wanted to re-
> establish Jewish domination there, so they ethnically cleansed
> Palestine of the indiginous Arabs.

Jews are fast becoming rare comodity in occupied Palestine, immigration 
cannot keep up with emigration. The only thing that stands in the way  of 
Jews leaving Palestine alltogether is the fact that most countries DO NOT 
WANT JEWS! 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Our World: Welcome to Palestine
> Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST
> January 30, 2007
>
> In the world of international diplomacy few issues receive more wall-
> to-wall support than the notion that it is essential to establish a
> Palestinian state. Leaders worldwide are so busy speaking of how
> essential it is for a State of Palestine to be founded that none of
> them seems to have noticed that it already exists.
>
> This state was officially founded in the summer of 2005, when Israel
> removed its military forces and civilian population from the Gaza


THAT IS A FUCKING LIE!

JEWS KILLED ABOUT THOUSAND PALESTINIAN CHILDREN IN GAZA SINCE '95
THAT IS HOW FAR JEWISH HEROISM GOES: CHILDREN AND WOMEN! 




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bishara3may03,0,2351340.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrailWhy 
> Israel is after meBy Azmi BisharaAZMI BISHARA was a member of the Knesset 
> until his resignation in April.May 3, 2007Amman, Jordan - I AM A 
> PALESTINIAN from Nazareth, a citizen of Israel andwas, until last month, a 
> member of the Israeli parliament.But now, in an ironic twist reminiscent 
> of France's Dreyfus affair - inwhich a French Jew was accused of 
> disloyalty to the state - the governmentof Israel is accusing me of aiding 
> the enemy during Israel's failed waragainst Lebanon in July.Israeli police 
> apparently suspect me of passing information to a foreignagent and of 
> receiving money in return. Under Israeli law, anyone - ajournalist or a 
> personal friend - can be defined as a "foreign agent" by theIsraeli 
> security apparatus. Such charges can lead to life imprisonment oreven the 
> death penalty.The allegations are ridiculous. Needless to say, Hezbollah - 
> Israel's enemyin Lebanon - has independently gathered more security 
> information aboutIsrael than any Arab Knesset member could possibly 
> provide. What's more,unlike those in Israel's parliament who have been 
> involved in acts ofviolence, I have never used violence or participated in 
> wars. My instrumentsof persuasion, in contrast, are simply words in books, 
> articles andspeeches.These trumped-up charges, which I firmly reject and 
> deny, are only thelatest in a series of attempts to silence me and others 
> involved in thestruggle of the Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel to live 
> in a state ofall its citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges 
> to Jews that itdenies to non-Jews.When Israel was established in 1948, 
> more than 700,000 Palestinians wereexpelled or fled in fear. My family was 
> among the minority that escaped thatfate, remaining instead on the land 
> where we had long lived. The Israelistate, established exclusively for 
> Jews, embarked immediately ontransforming us into foreigners in our own 
> country.For the first 18 years of Israeli statehood, we, as Israeli 
> citizens, livedunder military rule with pass laws that controlled our 
> every movement. Wewatched Jewish Israeli towns spring up over destroyed 
> Palestinian villages.Today we make up 20% of Israel's population. We do 
> not drink at separatewater fountains or sit at the back of the bus. We 
> vote and can serve in theparliament. But we face legal, institutional and 
> informal discrimination inall spheres of life.More than 20 Israeli laws 
> explicitly privilege Jews over non-Jews. The Lawof Return, for example, 
> grants automatic citizenship to Jews from anywherein the world. Yet 
> Palestinian refugees are denied the right to return to thecountry they 
> were forced to leave in 1948. The Basic Law of Human Dignityand Liberty - 
> Israel's "Bill of Rights" - defines the state as "Jewish"rather than a 
> state for all its citizens. Thus Israel is more for Jewsliving in Los 
> Angeles or Paris than it is for native Palestinians.Israel acknowledges 
> itself to be a state of one particular religious group.Anyone committed to 
> democracy will readily admit that equal citizenshipcannot exist under such 
> conditions.Most of our children attend schools that are separate but 
> unequal. Accordingto recent polls, two-thirds of Israeli Jews would refuse 
> to live next to anArab and nearly half would not allow a Palestinian into 
> their home.I have certainly ruffled feathers in Israel. In addition to 
> speaking out onthe subjects above, I have also asserted the right of the 
> Lebanese people,and of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, to 
> resist Israel'sillegal military occupation. I do not see those who fight 
> for freedom as myenemies.This may discomfort Jewish Israelis, but they 
> cannot deny us our history andidentity any more than we can negate the 
> ties that bind them to world Jewry.After all, it is not we, but Israeli 
> Jews who immigrated to this land.Immigrants might be asked to give up 
> their former identity in exchange forequal citizenship, but we are not 
> immigrants.During my years in the Knesset, the attorney general indicted 
> me for voicingmy political opinions (the charges were dropped), lobbied to 
> have myparliamentary immunity revoked and sought unsuccessfully to 
> disqualify mypolitical party from participating in elections - all because 
> I believeIsrael should be a state for all its citizens and because I have 
> spoken outagainst Israeli military occupation. Last year, Cabinet member 
> AvigdorLieberman - an immigrant from Moldova - declared that Palestinian 
> citizensof Israel "have no place here," that we should "take our bundles 
> and getlost." After I met with a leader of the Palestinian Authority from 
> Hamas,Lieberman called for my execution.The Israeli authorities are trying 
> to intimidate not just me but allPalestinian citizens of Israel. But we 
> will not be intimidated. We will notbow to permanent servitude in the land 
> of our ancestors or to being severedfrom our natural connections to the 
> Arab world. Our community leaders joinedtogether recently to issue a 
> blueprint for a state free of ethnic andreligious discrimination in all 
> spheres. If we turn back from our path tofreedom now, we will consign 
> future generations to the discrimination wehave faced for six 
> decades.Americans know from their own history of institutional 
> discrimination thetactics that have been used against civil rights 
> leaders. These includetelephone bugging, police surveillance, political 
> delegitimization andcriminalization of dissent through false accusations. 
> Israel is continuingto use these tactics at a time when the world no 
> longer tolerates suchpractices as compatible with democracy.Why then does 
> the U.S. government continue to fully support a country whosevery identity 
> and institutions are based on ethnic and religiousdiscrimination that 
> victimize its own citizens?

Terrorists of Israel are after anyone who tells it like it is, you and me 
included! 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 2:36 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bishara3may03,0,2351340.sto...Israel 
>> is after meBy Azmi BisharaAZMI BISHARA was a member of the Knesset until 
>> his resignation in April.May 3, 2007Amman, Jordan - I AM A PALESTINIAN 
>> from Nazareth, a citizen of Israel andwas, until last month, a member of 
>> the Israeli parliament.But now, in an ironic twist reminiscent of 
>> France's Dreyfus affair - inwhich a French Jew was accused of disloyalty 
>> to the state - the governmentof Israel is accusing me of aiding the enemy 
>> during Israel's failed waragainst Lebanon in July.Israeli police 
>> apparently suspect me of passing information to a foreignagent and of 
>> receiving money in return. Under Israeli law, anyone - ajournalist or a 
>> personal friend - can be defined as a "foreign agent" by theIsraeli 
>> security apparatus. Such charges can lead to life imprisonment oreven the 
>> death penalty.The allegations are ridiculous. Needless to say, 
>> Hezbollah - Israel's enemyin Lebanon - has independently gathered more 
>> security information aboutIsrael than any Arab Knesset member could 
>> possibly provide. What's more,unlike those in Israel's parliament who 
>> have been involved in acts ofviolence, I have never used violence or 
>> participated in wars. My instrumentsof persuasion, in contrast, are 
>> simply words in books, articles andspeeches.These trumped-up charges, 
>> which I firmly reject and deny, are only thelatest in a series of 
>> attempts to silence me and others involved in thestruggle of the 
>> Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel to live in a state ofall its 
>> citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges to Jews that itdenies 
>> to non-Jews.When Israel was established in 1948, more than 700,000 
>> Palestinians wereexpelled or fled in fear. My family was among the 
>> minority that escaped thatfate, remaining instead on the land where we 
>> had long lived. The Israelistate, established exclusively for Jews, 
>> embarked immediately ontransforming us into foreigners in our own 
>> country.For the first 18 years of Israeli statehood, we, as Israeli 
>> citizens, livedunder military rule with pass laws that controlled our 
>> every movement. Wewatched Jewish Israeli towns spring up over destroyed 
>> Palestinian villages.Today we make up 20% of Israel's population. We do 
>> not drink at separatewater fountains or sit at the back of the bus. We 
>> vote and can serve in theparliament. But we face legal, institutional and 
>> informal discrimination inall spheres of life.More than 20 Israeli laws 
>> explicitly privilege Jews over non-Jews. The Lawof Return, for example, 
>> grants automatic citizenship to Jews from anywherein the world. Yet 
>> Palestinian refugees are denied the right to return to thecountry they 
>> were forced to leave in 1948. The Basic Law of Human Dignityand Liberty - 
>> Israel's "Bill of Rights" - defines the state as "Jewish"rather than a 
>> state for all its citizens. Thus Israel is more for Jewsliving in Los 
>> Angeles or Paris than it is for native Palestinians.Israel acknowledges 
>> itself to be a state of one particular religious group.Anyone committed 
>> to democracy will readily admit that equal citizenshipcannot exist under 
>> such conditions.Most of our children attend schools that are separate but 
>> unequal. Accordingto recent polls, two-thirds of Israeli Jews would 
>> refuse to live next to anArab and nearly half would not allow a 
>> Palestinian into their home.I have certainly ruffled feathers in Israel. 
>> In addition to speaking out onthe subjects above, I have also asserted 
>> the right of the Lebanese people,and of Palestinians in the West Bank and 
>> Gaza Strip, to resist Israel'sillegal military occupation. I do not see 
>> those who fight for freedom as myenemies.This may discomfort Jewish 
>> Israelis, but they cannot deny us our history andidentity any more than 
>> we can negate the ties that bind them to world Jewry.After all, it is not 
>> we, but Israeli Jews who immigrated to this land.Immigrants might be 
>> asked to give up their former identity in exchange forequal citizenship, 
>> but we are not immigrants.During my years in the Knesset, the attorney 
>> general indicted me for voicingmy political opinions (the charges were 
>> dropped), lobbied to have myparliamentary immunity revoked and sought 
>> unsuccessfully to disqualify mypolitical party from participating in 
>> elections - all because I believeIsrael should be a state for all its 
>> citizens and because I have spoken outagainst Israeli military 
>> occupation. Last year, Cabinet member AvigdorLieberman - an immigrant 
>> from Moldova - declared that Palestinian citizensof Israel "have no place 
>> here," that we should "take our bundles and getlost." After I met with a 
>> leader of the Palestinian Authority from Hamas,Lieberman called for my 
>> execution.The Israeli authorities are trying to intimidate not just me 
>> but allPalestinian citizens of Israel. But we will not be intimidated. We 
>> will notbow to permanent servitude in the land of our ancestors or to 
>> being severedfrom our natural connections to the Arab world. Our 
>> community leaders joinedtogether recently to issue a blueprint for a 
>> state free of ethnic andreligious discrimination in all spheres. If we 
>> turn back from our path tofreedom now, we will consign future generations 
>> to the discrimination wehave faced for six decades.Americans know from 
>> their own history of institutional discrimination thetactics that have 
>> been used against civil rights leaders. These includetelephone bugging, 
>> police surveillance, political delegitimization andcriminalization of 
>> dissent through false accusations. Israel is continuingto use these 
>> tactics at a time when the world no longer tolerates suchpractices as 
>> compatible with democracy.Why then does the U.S. government continue to 
>> fully support a country whosevery identity and institutions are based on 
>> ethnic and religiousdiscrimination that victimize its own citizens?
>
> you're an idiot. Israel is after him because he's a terrorist ,
IF HE IS A "TERRORIST" HOW MANY PALESTINIAN KIDS DID HE SHOOT

that
> simple. if you're a terrorist you'll be hunted.
JUST WATCH BISHARA HUNT YOU FUCKING JEW BASTARDS  DOWN

if you're a law
> abiding citizen you get respect.
> 




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"Ian MacLure"  wrote in message 
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> "Venceremos"  wrote in
> news:1175658768.579571.211190@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Nancy Pelosi, D-Israel, Part II
>> Eli Stephens, Left I on the News
>
>    Would that be the same Pelosi Begum who recently
>    sashayed through Syria in a burqa/abbayah?
>
>    IBM
You are a liar! She never wore an abaya. But George Bush did don the Jew cap 
and kissed the Israeli flag! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 4:27 pm, bjackson...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Joan Peters' book has been discredited and found to be a hoax by
>> hundreds of researches.
>
> Name a few of those "hundreds of researches".

David Ray Grifin for one, aside from at least 500 researchers from many 
countries, who know full well that a plane could not melt the 47 steel 
columns in 20 minutes not could a plane knock the towers down. Besides the 
47 story WTC7 was not even hit by a plane, and nevert heless was blown up.

To learn the truth, try some of these sites:

ooperativeresearch.org
911Research.WTC7.net
911review.com
911proof.com
truthmove.org
911pressfortruth.com
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http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Why%20Indeed%20Did%20the%20WTC%20Buildings%20Completely%20Collapse%20Jones%20Thermite%20World%20Trade%20Center%20J24.pdf 




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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: "SURGING" TO DEATH !
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How the Surge is Failing
By PATRICK COCKBURN

Baghdad.

"Be careful," warned a senior Iraqi government official living in the
Green Zone in Baghdad," be very careful and above all do not trust the
police or the army." He added that insecurity in the Iraqi capital is
now as bad as it was before the US security plan came into operation
in the city in February.

The so-called 'surge', the dispatch of 20,000 extra American troops to
Iraq with the prime mission of getting control of Baghdad, is visibly
failing.

There are army and police checkpoints everywhere but Iraqis are
terrified approaching them because they do not know if the men in
uniform they see are in reality death squad members. Omar, the 15-year-
old brother-in-law of a friend, was driving with two other boys
through al-Mansur in west Baghdad a fortnight ago. Their car was
stopped at a police checkpoint. Most of the police in Baghdad are
Shia. They took him away saying they suspected that his ID card was a
fake. The real reason was probably that the name Omar is used only by
Sunni. Three days later the boy was found dead.

I was driving through central Baghdad yesterday. Our car was pulled to
one side at an army checkpoint. I was sitting in the back seat and had
hung my jacket from a hook above the window so nobody could easily see
I was a foreigner. A soldier leaned in the window and asked who I was.

We were lucky. He merely looked surprised when told I was a foreign
journalist and said softly: "Keep well hidden." The problem about the
US security plan is that it does not provide security. It had some
impact to begin with and the number of dead bodies found in the street
went down. This was mainly because the largest Shia militia, the Mehdi
Army, was stood down by its leader, Muqtada al-Sadr. But the Sunni
insurgent groups escalated the number of sectarian suicide bombings
against Shia markets. The US was unable to stop this.

Now the sectarian body count is on the rise again. Some 30 bodies,
each shot in the head, were found on Wednesday alone. The main new
American tactic is proving counter-productive. This is the sealing off
entire neighbourhoods either by concrete walls or barriers of rubbish
so there is only a single entrance and exit. Speaking of Sunni
districts like al-Adhamiyah a government official said: "We are
creating mini- Islamic republics."

This is born out by anecdotal evidence. The uncle of a friend called
Mohammed =AD it is in the nature of Baghdad that nobody wants their full
name published =AD died of natural causes. The family, all Sunni, wanted
to bury him but they were unable to reach the nearest cemetery in Abu
Ghraib. Instead they went to one in Adhamiyah. As they entered the
cemetery armed civilians, whom they took to be al Qaida from their way
of speaking, asked directly: "Are any of you Shia?" Only when
reassured that they were all Sunni were they allowed to bury their
relative.

The failure of the 'surge' comes because it is not accompanied by any
political reconciliation. On the contrary the government is wholly
factionalised. For instance the two vice presidents, the Sunni Tariq
al- Hashimi, and the Shia Adel Abdel Mehdi, may make conciliatory
statements in public but one Iraqi observer notes that "Tariq only
employs Sunni and Adel only Shia."

The Sunni feel they are fighting for their lives. Their last redoubts
in east Baghdad =AD aside from Adhamiyah =AD are being over-run by the
Mehdi Army. The Sunni insurgent groups, notably al Qaeda, are on the
offensive in west Baghdad where they are strongest. When the Americans
succeed in driving away the militia of, say, the Shia in any district
their place is taken, not by government forces, but by the Sunni
militia. People in Baghdad are terrified of being killed by a car bomb
or bundled into the boot of a car and murdered. Less dramatic, but
equally significant in forcing people to flee Iraq for Jordan or
Syria, is the sheer difficulty of maintaining a normal life. Much of
the trade in the city used to take place in open air markets. But
because of repeated bombs attacks only one is now open. This is in
Karada but many people no longer go there because it has come under
repeated attack.

So many areas are now sealed off in Baghdad that there are continuous
traffic jams. This presents a problem for drivers. If they try to
avoid the jam by driving off the main road they may enter an area
where militiamen rule who may kill them. One friend who got back from
Syria found that, because of an attack on a government patrol, his
neighbourhood was closed off to traffic. "I had to walk for 40 minutes
with my heavy suitcase," he lamented.

Even in dangerous neighbourhoods like Beitawin off Saadoun Street in
central Baghdad, notorious for its criminal gangs even in Saddam
Hussein's time, people were queuing for petrol for hours yesterday
evening because they have no choice if they want to fill their tanks.

A bizarre flavour has been given to Saadoun Street because the
government has encouraged artists to paint the giant concrete blast
barriers with uplifting if unlikely scenes of mountain torrents,
meadows in spring and lake side scenes. Many of the pictures, all in
garish greens, blues and yellows, look more like Switzerland than
Iraq. Muqtada al-Sadr, for his part, is encouraging artists to paint
the blast barriers with scenes illustrating the anguish inflicted on
the Iraqi people by the US occupation.

The only 'gated community' that functions successfully in Baghdad is
the Green Zone itself, the four square miles on the right bank of the
Tigris that is home to the Iraqi government and the US embassy. It is
sealed off from the rest of Iraq by multiple security barriers and
fortifications in depth.

Entering the zone recently I was questioned and searched, at different
stages, by Kurds, Georgians, Peruvians and Nepalese. No country in the
world has such rigorous frontier procedures as what one American
called "this little chunk of Texas." Living cut off in the zone it is
impossible for the ruling elite of Iraq to understand the terrible
suffering and terror beyond its gates.

http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick05042007.html



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:53 EDT 2007
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From: Venceremos 
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On May 4, 1:06 am, HEYYYYYYYY  wrote:
>   IT OPENS MAY 4'TH HERES THE TRAILER LINK    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UAfjHYg_II
>   DONT FORGET VOTE MITT ROMNEY 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALL BOOKED, CANNOT GET IN THE DOOR !



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: THESE RATS ARE LEAVING THE SINKING JUNK
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On May 1, 9:32 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote innews:9gFZh.1169$0x4.395@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >news:Xns9922CB0BC2EFibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in
> >>news:ZAxZh.3444$F11.3339@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
>
> >>    [snip]
>
> >>> "It's only natural as you get towards the end of the second term that
> >>> people are going to be moving on," he said. "The secretary understands."
>
> >>    It must really tick you off that Republicans have actual
> >>    job skills for which employers are willing to pay.
>
> >>    IBM
> > Especially Dov Zakheim the designer of 911
>
>         Still plucking the strings on that old harp are we?

The more scientist learn about the thermate, the more truth comes out,
very soon most of Americans will know the truth, up to now it is at
57% Americans who dibelieve the ZioNazi lies!



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On May 3, 8:23 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> Venceremos  wrote innews:1178071190.045757.271990@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
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>
>
> > On May 1, 9:32 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> >> "ElParedon"  wrote
> >> innews:9gFZh.1169$0x4.395@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> >> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >> >news:Xns9922CB0BC2EFibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> >> "ElParedon"  wrote in
> >> >>news:ZAxZh.3444$F11.3339@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
>
> >> >>    [snip]
>
> >> >>> "It's only natural as you get towards the end of the second term
> >> >>> that people are going to be moving on," he said. "The secretary
> >> >>> understands."
>
> >> >>    It must really tick you off that Republicans have actual
> >> >>    job skills for which employers are willing to pay.
>
> >> >>    IBM
> >> > Especially Dov Zakheim the designer of 911
>
> >>         Still plucking the strings on that old harp are we?
> >>         It couldn't, just couldn't have been a bunch of dark ages
> >>         turbanned thugs from some sandy environs now could it.
> >>         Just like there's no way a fire could soften steel....
>
> >>         IBM
>
> > "SOFTEN STEEL" YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING. NO LIQUID COULD PRODUCE
>
>         And yet it did. Its gonna be a tough slog from here on in.
>         All those pictures of the BBQ'd freeway in Oakland.
>
> > TEMPERATURES TO EVEN WARM UP 47 STEEL COLUMN FOUR INCHES THICK.
> > BESIDES THERE IS A DOCUMENTARY PROOF OF THERMATE BEING PRESENT IN THE
> > SLAG! HOW DID IT GET THERE?
>
>         Ermmm debris from your tinfoil hat?
>
>         IBM

THIS COUNTRY HAS SPENT LESS MONEY INVESTIGATING 911, THEN WE SPEND
INVESTIGATING AN AVERAGE MURDER



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> Admitting that the Holocaust occurred is not the same as admitting
> that it was a bad thing to have happened.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net
OF  COURSE IT HAPPENED, WHEN THE JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED 100
MILLION RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS THAT WAS A HOLOCAUST TO END ALL




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From: Venceremos 
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On May 4, 1:47 pm, Parsifal  wrote:
> On 4 Mai, 06:46, J Young  wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 2:35?am, cactus  wrote:
>
> > > J Young wrote:
> > > > It is this type of predictable corruption that keeps various
> > > > governments, organizations, and even individuals such as myself from
> > > > donating funds to holocaust education groups.
>
> > > You hypocrite - you would never make a donation to such an organization
> > > anyway.
>
> > Why wouldn't I? Despite claims to the contrary, I have never denied
> > that the holocaust took place. I have questioned certain aspects about
> > it but have always maintained that genocide on some scale was
> > perpetrated upon the jewish people, amongst others.
>
> Do you think you have any chance of convincing any of us, J Young aka
> the nazi turd, considering your long history with antisemitic
> postings?
>
> Remember this, sent on Nov. 26, 2006, about Auschwitz:
> "These 'survivors' should show a little gratitude. These facilities
> are
> getting worn down through age and could use a nice face-lift. A fresh
> coat
> of paint might actually cheer the place up a little and some curtains
> on the
> windows wouldn't hurt either. We all know the history of what went on
> there;
> there's no reason to make the trip there any more depressing."
>
> Or this thread that you stard on March, 26:
> "The Diminishing Numbers of Dead in Auschwitz."
>
> Or that one, on August 15, 2004:
> "The Diminishing Numbers of Alleged Dead in Auschwitz"
>
> Do you remember this comment "Some people ought to learn to stop being
> so sensitive and lighten up a
> little. ", (January 5, 2006) about a Krakow bus company's
> advertisement for round-trip tickets to Auschwitz, with barbed wire in
> the
> ad's background.
>
> Shall I continue?
>
> Oh, and how about
> "I'm not much for poetry but I'll give it a shot:
>
> Roses are red
> Violets are blue
> Watch your wallets
> Here comes a Jew "
> sent on September 12, 2006.
>
> So either you're a tasteless troll or you're a real nazi. In both
> cases, you're a disgusting piece of shit.
THE WORLD IS SICK AND TIRED OF THE JEWISH BULLSHIT, ALL OF US WHO
LIVED THROUGH THE PERIOD KNOW FULL WELL THAT IT HAPPENED TO ALL OF US
NOT JUST THE FUCKING JEWS!




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:56 EDT 2007
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From: "ElParedon" 
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A top US commander predicted Friday intensifying fighting and more 
casualties as US and Iraqi forces move into sanctuaries used by Al-Qaeda to 
mount major terror bombings in Baghdad.

"As we have surged, we find the enemy surging as well," said Major General 
Rick Lynch, who commands an area in central Iraq that wraps around southern 
Baghdad.

"We are taking the fight to the enemy to counter his capabilities, but over 
time, especially as we continue to put our forces in areas where they have 
never operated we can expect to take continued casualties," he said.

Thirteen US soldiers under Lynch's command were killed and 39 wounded last 
month, mainly as a result of roadside bombs, according to the general, who 
said the number of attacks in his area has increased.

He said Al-Qaeda and associated extremist groups were the biggest threat but 
Iranian-made arms and munitions, including armor-piercing shaped explosives, 
were also turning up in his area.

As a buildup of US forces peaks this summer, Lynch said US troops will press 
in on sanctuaries that extremist groups have succeeded in establishing in 
the area, setting the stage for more intense fighting.

"When these surge units get on the ground, we're going to move to control 
those sanctuaries and that is going to come at cost," he told reporters here 
via video linkup from Iraq.

"So everybody has to acknowledge the fact that this still is a very 
difficult, very dangerous situation that we're working through on a daily 
basis," he said.

He said the biggest concern is that Al-Qaeda will step up its campaign of 
large scale car bombings and suicide attacks to try to fuel Sunni-Shia 
sectarian violence.

On Sunday, a massive car bombing in the Shiite shrine city of Karbala killed 
more than 70 people.

"He's not going to give up, he's not going to give those sanctuary areas up 
without a fight. So there's a fight that's fixing to happen in those 
sanctuary areas," Lynch said of Al-Qaeda.

At the same time, he charged that Iran was providing Shiite extremist groups 
with financing, training and explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs.

"The EFPs are killing our soldiers and we can trace that back to Iran," he 
said.

He said US and Iraqi forces found mortars, rockets and ammunition with 
recent date stamps and Iranian markings in a raid April 22 in the town of 
Mahmudiya.




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 SURE!  LIMEYS CAN HAVE ALL THE FUCKING JEWS THEY WANT,  NOBODY ELSE WANTS 
THE BASTARDS 




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 HOORAY!  JEWS WON! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:22:57 EDT 2007
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"Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message 
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> On May 3, 10:04 pm, "Bin C'r'amer"  wrote:
>> "Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1178218232.880153.75910@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On May 3, 9:18 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>> >>  SLAVERY IS IN FULL SWING IN TEL AVIV, PEOPLE ARE BEING SOLD LIKE
>> >> CHATTEL IN THE DINGY BORDELLOS OF TELL AVIV
>>
>> >   How many did you buy?
>>
>> You should watch the activity near the bordellos in TelAviv and Haifa on
>> Thursday nights. All these orthodox, rastafarian looking buggers turning 
>> up
>> on their bikes, for a quick shag before Friday.
>
>   It really must be shameful and pathetic to pay someone for pussy.

Which woman in the world would give free pussy to a smelly cockroach Jew? 




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One in three US combat troops would condone torture: survey
AFP



      March 4, 2007

      WASHINGTON (AFP) - A survey of US combat troops deployed in Iraq has 
found that one in 10 said they mistreated civilians and more than a third 
condoned torture to save the life of a comrade, a report said Friday.

      The study by an army mental health advisory team found continuing 
problems with morale and that acute mental health issues were more prevalent 
among troops with lengthening tours or on their second and third deployment 
to Iraq.

      "They looked under every rock, and what they found was not always easy 
to look at," said Ward Casscells, the Pentagon's health affairs chief.

      For the first time ever, a sampling of soldiers and marines in combat 
units were questioned on issues of character, and their answers suggested 
hardened attitudes toward civilians among front line troops:

      -- About 10 percent of soldiers surveyed reported mistreating 
non-combatants or damaging their property when it was not necessary;

      -- Less than half of the soldiers and marines would report a team 
member for unethical behavior;

      -- More than a third of all soldiers and marines reported that torture 
should be allowed to save the life of a fellow soldier or marine.

      Major General Gale Pollock, the army's acting surgeon general, sought 
to make a distinction between soldiers' thoughts about torture and their 
actions.

      "These men and women have been seeing their friends injured and I 
think that having that thought is normal," she said at a
      Pentagon press conference.

      "But what it speaks to is the leadership that the military is 
providing, because they're not acting on those thoughts. They're not 
torturing the people," she said.

      The team surveyed 1,320 soldiers and 447 marines between August and 
October 2006 in Iraq. Although the report was completed in November, it was 
only released Friday in censored form after its findings began to leak to 
the press.

      The study found that morale among soldiers was worse than among 
marines, which it said was explained in part by the marines' shorter six 
month tours.

      The team recommended that the army's yearlong tours in Iraq either be 
shortened, or that soldiers be given 18 to 36 months between deployment to 
recover.

      Instead, the army is moving in the opposite direction, extending tours 
to 15 months to keep pace with a surge in forces. The army is struggling to 
allow units a year at home between deployments.


      WHAT THESE IDIOTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT TORTURE AND BEATINGS ARE A 
TWO WAY STREET.









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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>> On May 4, 6:24 pm, "howard.aub...@gmail.com" 
>> wrote:
>>> On May 4, 3:45 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm, I wonder where 'stoning' got started...  I Know!!  In Judaism!!!!
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning
>>
>> He has not seen "Zorba the Greek"!
>
> Howard is a moron... and so are you... From the very same wiki article... 
> So you can see Alex, there were only 8 done back in the day, but your 
> barbaric brothers still pracitce it.

My brothers are going to cut your balls off and stuff them up your arse for 
lying 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>> HOORAY!  JEWS WON!
>
> They will win.

Won shit! They will be sent to Russia and Germany where they were originally 
shitted out! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1178336139.690936.183070@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 4, 10:30 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:eSP_h.24075$XU4.19823@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> > HOORAY!  JEWS WON!
>>>
>>> They will win.
>>
>> What?
>
> Their security.
 Through torturing, beating and killing men women and children? Hitler tried 
that once 




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"Salah Jafar"  wrote in message 
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> Lebanon is caught in political gridlock in the face of sustained 
> opposition to the U.S.-backed government.
>
>
>
> The government is refusing to give in to opposition demands for more 
> representation. The government says it is there to stay; so do the 
> protestors.
>
> Their opposition is very visible. Scores of tents, many with solar powered 
> television sets, wooden walls and doors, and cooking facilities fill 
> several huge parking lots at the foot of the heavily barricaded 
> headquarters of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's government.
>
> The site is mostly quiet during the day, but in the evening thousands 
> stream into the camps to listen to speeches, drink coffee and tea, smoke 
> hubble-bubble pipes, and talk. And, in the Riad es-Solh Square, they watch 
> the huge movie-sized screen of Al-Manar television news (Hezbollah's TV 
> station).
>
> "We're here demanding full participation of all different groups in the 
> political decision-making of our country," a 27-year-old organiser at the 
> site who gave his name only as Jirgus told IPS.
>
> The protest is already bringing results, he said. "One of the advantages 
> of this sit-in is that people from the north are meeting people from the 
> south, and different religions are uniting."
>
> Like everyone else IPS spoke with at the sit-in, Jirgus said he would 
> continue with the protest as long as it took.
>
> "As long as this government continues with their pro-U.S. and pro-Israel 
> policies, and continues to choose not to allow all people fair 
> representation, we are left with only this choice," he said.
>
> Four big political parties participated in a huge protest rally Dec. 10 
> last year, probably Lebanon's largest ever. That demonstration was 
> immediately followed by the launch of the sit-in.
>
> The four parties are Hezbollah led by the charismatic Hassan Nasrallah, 
> the Free Patriotic movement led by former general Michel Aoun who is a 
> Christian, the Amal movement led by Nabih Berri and the Syrian Social 
> Nationalist Party.
>
> Several smaller parties of various religious confessions are also 
> participating in the ongoing protest.
>
> The opposition insists that the cabinet must resign in favour of a 
> national unity government. Siniora's cabinet continues to refuse this 
> demand. The government is in survival mode, but continues to have the 
> backing of the United States, France and Saudi Arabia.
>
> Many protestors are raising basic issues that go beyond party loyalties.
>
> "Our goal is companionship while the government's goal is to serve 
> corporate interests," a primary school teacher who gave his name as Marada 
> told IPS. "We have two million of Lebanon's four million people that are 
> not represented by these elitists, who only care about their own 
> interests. I'll stay here as long as it takes. The government didn't leave 
> us with anything, so we have nothing to lose."
>
> Opposition supporters say that both disparity of wealth and unequal 
> representation in government are critical problems, that are feeding the 
> protests.
>
> "We are peacefully contesting the government to show that people without a 
> voice are actually the majority," Ali Hamir, a 55-year-old translator at 
> the sit-in told IPS. "It is only rich people who have a voice in this 
> current government, while the middle and lower classes are not listened 
> to. There is a class mentality in this government."
>
> He added, "We are open-minded and want to live with all communities, but 
> we are opposed to class-based oppression."
>
> Hamir said he will not end the sit-in until the opposition wins. "Our 
> breaths will last long. We will not stop until we reach our goal. We do 
> not despair."
>
> Others are happy at the unification amongst the different parties.
>
> "It's new for us to be together with all of these other groups," a student 
> from the Free Patriotic Movement who gave his name as Aran told IPS. "It 
> is good because Muslims, Christians and all of the confessions are here 
> together. We hope this experience will be diffused throughout society."
>
> Streets lined with concrete barriers and two levels of barbed wire 
> separate the camp from government buildings. Lebanese soldiers keep watch 
> over the protestors. But the protesters seem to ignore them; there is more 
> of a party atmosphere within the camp.
>
> But this is a party with a purpose.

The only people offering security to Lebanon are Hezbollah. God Bless them! 




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"torresdD"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178198606367&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
> The judge in the trial against
> former AIPAC (American Israel
> Public Affairs Committee)
> staffers sternly chastised
> the prosecution Wednesday
> for delaying the trial,
>
> after the government asked
> for more time to decide how
> it would proceed in the case.
>
> The prosecution's request set back
> the expected start of the trial
> against Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman,
> accused of passing on classified information,
> well past its scheduled start of June 4.
>
> After it lost a bid last month to
> seal most of the trial from the public,
>
> the prosecution had been expected
> to tell the court on Wednesday which
> intelligence evidence it would likely
> use or to appeal the judge's ruling
> against keeping the trial secret.
>
> The government had argued the proceedings
> should be closed on national security grounds,
> but Federal Judge T.S. Ellis III
> refused the request.
>
> Prosecutors said Wednesday they
> needed more time to consult with
> the many government agencies
> involved in providing the
> intelligence over which
> sensitive material can be
> presented in a public trial.
>
> If they decide no new
> information can be revealed,
> it could jeopardize their
> ability to build a case
> against Rosen and Weissman.
>
> Ellis set a new deadline of May 21
> for the government to respond.
>
> He warned that further delays
> could also jeopardize their case.
>
> "These people have sat
> around indicted for years.
>
> These agencies have got
> to get with it," Ellis said.
>
> "You've got to do it.
>
> It's a matter of devoting the
> resources and attention to it."
>
> The judge warned that there
> could be consequences for the
> prosecution if it did not do
> as he told them.
>
> Rosen, former AIPAC foreign policy chief,
> and Weissman, AIPAC's former Iran analyst,
> were indicted two years ago.
>
Fucking Jews! They spy and they run the country at the same time! 




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"FRANKIE LEE"  wrote in message 
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> My Hero!
> ------------
> Someone impersonate my name and post messages under the name Frankie Lee
> today.
>
> (FRANKIE LEE" <@Ball Carrying Institute> wrote in message
> news:463b6805$0$16300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Out of my three heroes - Bush - Blair - Osama bin Laden
>> I think Osama bin Laden is the greatest. Without Osama, Bush and Blair 
>> are
>> non persona.)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ***What is your point by impersonating my name?
> Bush is an American Hero, despite his lack of eloquent-speech, yet he
> manages
> to become a great American President.

SOME HERO! COWARDLY DESERTER, LIAR AND TORTURER, STICK HIM UP YOUR ARSE! 




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On May 5, 2:11 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> Vinnyramass  wrote innews:1178293398.229605.62280@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>         [snip]
>
> > THIS COUNTRY HAS SPENT LESS MONEY INVESTIGATING 911, THEN WE SPEND
> > INVESTIGATING AN AVERAGE MURDER
>
>         Well were it up to you we'd be investigating until we got the
>         answer you want.
 IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED BY 500 SCIENTISTS ALL OF WHOM AGREE THAT
BUSH AND HIS JEWS ARE LYING!



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On May 5, 2:12 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> Vinnyramass  wrote innews:1178293296.508203.220490@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>         [snip]
>
> > The more scientist learn about the thermate, the more truth comes out,
> > very soon most of Americans will know the truth, up to now it is at
> > 57% Americans who dibelieve the ZioNazi lies!
>
>         Behold Vinny.
>         Who is like unto a brook of murky water.
>         For he babbles and it smells like shit.
 MUST BE THE JEWSM THEY SMELL THAT WAY!



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On May 5, 2:03 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "ElHardon"  wrote innews:nQE_h.21001$vD4.14722@bigfe9:
>
> > "Ian MacLure"  wrote in message
> >news:Xns9925AFFFB86E0ibmsvpalorg@216.196.97.131...
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in
> >>news:1175658768.579571.211190@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> Nancy Pelosi, D-Israel, Part II
> >>> Eli Stephens, Left I on the News
>
> >>    Would that be the same Pelosi Begum who recently
> >>    sashayed through Syria in a burqa/abbayah?
>
> >>    IBM
> > You are a liar! She never wore an abaya.
>
>         That might have worked in the old days. Unfortunately for
>         loons of your sort, there are pictures on the web of Pelosi
>         Begum wrapped up in her abayah. Something I would hasten to
>         point out cannot be said of oh say Condi Rice or Mrs Bush.
>
> > But George Bush did don the Jew cap and kissed the Israeli flag!
>
>         I should certainly hope so.
>         Israel is an important and dependable ally.
>
>
 SOME ALLY! MORE JEWS SPY ON UNITED STATES THAN FROM ANY OTHER
COUNTRY, AND THEY MILK THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER FOR ALL IT IS WORTH.
AND USA IS NOT WORTH VERY MUCH RIGHT NOW. CHINESE WILL PROBABLY HAVE
IT SOON FOR A ONE MONTH'S MORTGAGE PAYMENT




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 Top U.S. military official injured in Baghdad


Associated Press

BAGHDAD - A senior U.S. commander was wounded by small arms fire while 
inspecting a security barrier being built around a Sunni enclave in Baghdad, 
the U.S. military said Friday.

The attack occurred Thursday in Azamiyah, an area on the eastern side of the 
Tigris River whose residents have been victims of retaliatory mortar attacks 
by Shiite militants - often following bombings blamed on Sunnis. The 
shooting was witnessed by an Associated Press Television cameraman.

A U.S. military spokesman, Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, said the commander's 
family has been notified, but he declined to release the officer's name.

Construction of the wall has drawn strong criticism from residents who say 
it is a form of sectarian discrimination. Followers of radical Shiite cleric 
Muqtada al-Sadr say they fear Shiite areas in Baghdad, such as Sadr City, 
will be next to see the U.S.-built barriers.

Much of the construction is being done at night by troops wearing 
night-vision goggles. But the officer was wounded while conducting a daytime 
survey.

U.S. and Iraqi officials have defended the barrier's construction, which 
began last month, as a temporary measure to protect the neighborhood as part 
of a citywide security crackdown.

Last month, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, said he had ordered a 
halt to the construction of the wall, saying "there are other methods to 
protect neighborhoods" and "this wall reminds us of other walls that we 
reject."

But his security aides later said he was responding to exaggerated reports 
in the media and that construction would continue.

When the wall is finished, Azamiyah will be gated and checkpoints manned by 
Iraqi soldiers will be the only entries, the U.S. military said, stressing 
that the decision had been made in coordination with the Iraqis.

For years, U.S. and Iraqi forces have erected cement barriers around 
marketplaces and coalition bases and outposts in Baghdad and other Iraqi 
cities to prevent attacks. U.S. forces also have built huge sand barriers 
around towns such as Tal Afar, an insurgent stronghold near the Syrian 
border.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4777572.html 




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UK and US must admit defeat and leave Iraq, says British general


Julian Borger
Friday May 4, 2007
The Guardian


A retired British army general says Iraq's insurgents are justified in 
opposing the occupation, arguing that the US and its allies should "admit 
defeat" and leave Iraq before more soldiers are killed.
General Sir Michael Rose told the BBC's Newsnight programme: "It is the 
soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war they have 
been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it and the 
sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the sooner they 
will come home and their lives will be preserved."

Asked if that meant admitting defeat, the general replied: "Of course we 
have to admit defeat. The British admitted defeat in north America and the 
catastrophes that were predicted at the time never happened.

"The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same 
thing will occur after we leave Iraq."

General Rose is a former SAS commander and head of UN forces in Bosnia. Last 
year, he called for Tony Blair to be impeached for going to war on "false 
pretences". He has written a book, entitled Washington's War, which compares 
the Iraqi rebels to George Washington's irregular forces in the American war 
of independence.

When he was asked if he thought the Iraqi insurgents were right to try to 
force the US-led coalition out, he replied: "Yes I do. As Lord Chatham [the 
politician William Pitt, the Elder, who, in the second half of the 18th 
century called for a cessation of hostilities in the colonies and favoured 
American resistance to the British Stamp Act] said, 'if I was an American - 
as I am an Englishman - as long as one Englishman remained on American 
native soil, I would never, never, never lay down my arms'. The Iraqi 
insurgents feel exactly the same way. I don't excuse them for some of the 
terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting the 
Americans."




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UK and US must admit defeat and leave Iraq, says British general


Julian Borger
Friday May 4, 2007
The Guardian


A retired British army general says Iraq's insurgents are justified in 
opposing the occupation, arguing that the US and its allies should "admit 
defeat" and leave Iraq before more soldiers are killed.
General Sir Michael Rose told the BBC's Newsnight programme: "It is the 
soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war they have 
been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it and the 
sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the sooner they 
will come home and their lives will be preserved."

Asked if that meant admitting defeat, the general replied: "Of course we 
have to admit defeat. The British admitted defeat in north America and the 
catastrophes that were predicted at the time never happened.

"The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same 
thing will occur after we leave Iraq."

General Rose is a former SAS commander and head of UN forces in Bosnia. Last 
year, he called for Tony Blair to be impeached for going to war on "false 
pretences". He has written a book, entitled Washington's War, which compares 
the Iraqi rebels to George Washington's irregular forces in the American war 
of independence.

When he was asked if he thought the Iraqi insurgents were right to try to 
force the US-led coalition out, he replied: "Yes I do. As Lord Chatham [the 
politician William Pitt, the Elder, who, in the second half of the 18th 
century called for a cessation of hostilities in the colonies and favoured 
American resistance to the British Stamp Act] said, 'if I was an American - 
as I am an Englishman - as long as one Englishman remained on American 
native soil, I would never, never, never lay down my arms'. The Iraqi 
insurgents feel exactly the same way. I don't excuse them for some of the 
terrible things they do, but I do understand why they are resisting the 
Americans."




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From: Venceremos 
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Indian lawmakers hit back at US threat over Iran ties

    * Indo-US nuclear bill to be debated again in parliament


By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Indian government on Friday agreed to once again debate the
Indo-US nuclear deal in the parliament as a letter from a US lawmaker
pressing India to back off from its engagements with Iran to save the
nuclear deal sent the Rajya Sabha in rages.

Both the allies and the opposition lashed out at the US attitude and
demanded a statement from Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh. The
provocation was a letter written by US senator Tom Lantos directly to
the Prime Minister asking him to "terminate" all energy cooperation
and military ties with Iran that the BJP and its ally Janata Dal(U) as
well as CPI(M) described as an interference in India's sovereignty.

The House was in turmoil right from start of the day and the question
hour could start only 25 minutes later and at one stages it appeared
heading for another adjournment as the BJP members stormed into the
House in protest of parliamentary affairs minister Priya Ranjan
Dasmunsi asserting that the UPA government did not follow the NDA's
policy of "Ghutna dabana" (massaging knee) with the United States.

Chairman Bhairon Singh Shekhawat, however, handled the situation
tactfully, declaring to expunge the objected remark of the minister if
found unparliamentary and Dasmunsi said he was only responding to the
opposition members accusing the government of buckling under pressure.

He later told reporters that the Prime Minister has repeatedly taken
Parliament into confidence about the nuclear deal with the United
States and he may do so again in the next two weeks. He vowed to the
legacy of Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru that the Congress
follows and asserted that India would not compromise its sovereignty
in any manner.

The issue was brought into focus by former foreign minister Yashwant
Sinha of BJP as soon as the House started and wanted the government to
take parliament into confidence about the media reports that India and
US may be signing the nuclear deal before the end of this month. He
said the government should also repudiate the American senator's
threat to the Prime Minister to terminate the deal unless India toes
US policy on Iran.

Sinha said this was the second time that this Senator had insulted
India. First was when former External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh
visited Iran and he (Lantos) had said he (Natwar Singh) ''had no
mind''. The BJP leader said the US should be conveyed a very strong
message that India would not accept any compromise with its
sovereignty in what he termed as ''the temerity of writing an open
letter of threat'' to the Prime Minister.

CPI-M's Brinda Karat went a step further and asked the government to
summon the American ambassador and warn him that such letters by the
American senators amount to interference in India's independent
foreign policy and that it cannot be tolerated. She said the US should
be told categorically that ''this country is not for sale.''

Pointing out that the government was on the threshold of signing the
nuclear deal with the United States, Brinda and Janata Dal (U) member
Digvijay Singh, a former junior foreign minister in NDA government,
stressed that the details of the negotiations held by India's foreign
secretary in Washington this week for finalising the deal should be
shared with the parliament.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C05%5C05%5Cstory_5-5-2007_pg4_16



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From: Venceremos 
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Tel Aviv - In Israel, the number of emigrants exceeded the number of
immigrants for the first time in 20 years, the Israeli daily Yediot
Ahronot
reported Friday. Many emigrants were recent arrivals who wanted to
leave
Israel again, the report said. In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected
in
Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country,
according to
the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.

The last time emigration exceeded immigration was in the aftermath of
the
1973 Yom Kippur War and in 1983 and 1984 when inflation was high.

Meanwhile the Maariv newspaper reported that approximately a quarter
of the
Israeli population was considering emigration.

Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the
country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with
the
government, the education system, a lack of confidence in the
political
ruling class and concern over the security situation.



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: A few words about National Anthems....
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On May 2, 5:17 pm, Ariel  wrote:
> On May 2, 2:39 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Ariel"  wrote in message
>
> >news:1178131563.677266.261260@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On May 2, 12:25 pm, Daniel Bernard 
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:07:41 -0500, "DoD"  wrote:
> > >> >Israels... HaTikvah  "The Hope" (written in 1886)
>
> > >> >As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,
> > >> >With eyes turned toward the East,
>
> > >> "East as in Moscow and the Urals"
>
> > >> >looking toward Zion,
>
> > >> "Just like in the crappy second and third Matrix movie"
>
> > >> >Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:
>
> > >> >To be a free people in our land,
>
> > >> "And our land is Poland, Latvia and Lithuania!"
>
> > >> Hey Iscariot, seeing as this shit has been cross posted to s.c.u, why
> > >> not give us a burst of the American national anthem?
>
> > >> Also, why was this shit cross posted to s.c.e? Are you a fugging troll
> > >> or something?
> > >> --
> > >> amicalement,
>
> > >> Daniel
>
> > > and what are you? a half french, braindead usernet nanny?
>
> > At least he is not stealing other people's land like kikes are doing- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> and why don't you go back to serbia old fart? how's peter pan doing?
> did the police knock on your door yet? your file is growing and you
> could soon sent back packing to whatever dump you came from


Fucking idiot! Why would police knock on my fucking door? There are
too many Jewish drug dealers artound here to keep them busy!



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 GROWING UP A JEW IN FRIENDLY ARAB LAND:

Growing up as a Jew in Cairo

By Victor D. Sanua, Ph.

About 50 years ago, I came to America to study psychology. I was
fluent in English but my speech had a slight accent? Many people would
ask about my background. This was difficult to answer since one single
response would not suffice. If I was asked my place of birth, it was
Egypt (but I was not Egyptian ) . If I was asked about my passport, I
indicated I was Italian, but never lived in Italy; if they inquired
about the origin of my family, I would indicate Spain but I had to add
that my family left Spain about 500 years ago, went to Italy, and
later settled in Istanbul where I found burial stones with the name
Sanua (meaning "modest" in Hebrew), one dated early 17th.. Century.
The only thing I was sure about in my background was the fact that I
was Jewish. I am presenting this short exchange to indicate that a
large number of Jews born in Egypt were not culturally indigenous to
the country. During the middle of the 19th. Century, the ruler of
Egypt who wanted to modernise the country readily accepted Europeans,
consequently, a large number of Ladino speaking Jews came from Turkey.

In time, the dominant foreign language became French, in view of the
large number of French schools such as the Lycee Fancais and the
Catholic Schools ( Fr=E8res) which were attended by a large number of
Jewish children. My education started in the school of Bab-el-Louk.
Besides French, two other languages were taught, English and Arabic.
Two hours a week were devoted to the language of the country. Since
the Arabic that was taught was classical and had little to do with
spoken Arabic, many of us were never conversant with the language,
unless the home language was Arabic. However, we were able to manage
with "street" Arabic... All department stores had French speaking
employees. In my home, we spoke French and Ladino. Depending on their
background, Jews spoke other languages. The small Askenazi community
spoke Yiddish. Of course, the different nationals whose parents came
>from various countries spoke the language of their origin, and schools
were established for Italians, Germans, Greeks and Armenians. A few
scools taught in English. Since most of the students who attended such
schools and who wanted to pursue professional careers could not attend
Egyptian Universities because of Arabic deficiencies had to go abroad.
Only few students attended Egyptian Universities. In view of the
decline of France as a power , learning English became more important
and it was at that time that I pursued my education in English, first
in he high school attached to the American University at Cairo, and
later in their liberal college which made it possible for me to
continue with my studies in the U.S.A.

Social life for Jews, between the two World Wars, was quite pleasant.
Life centred on families, club activities and swimming pool
facilities. Cairo had practically everything that a major European
city could offer, Italian operas, ballet, Comedy Francaise, foreign
symphony orchestras, etc. We had the most recent movies produced in
the U.S.A., England, France and Italy. Alexandria was the major Resort
City where many Cairenes went to the beaches during vacation time.
Alexandria and Cairo had numerous nightclubs presenting shows. There
was one particular favourite place for dinner and dancing in Cairo
that was called Groppi. I was a member of a club called Judeo-Espagnol
but, because of the rising nationalism, the name was changed to Judeo-
Egyptian.

A teacher came to my home to prepare me for my Bar Mitzvah, which was
celebrated in the major synagogue in Cairo called Shaar Ha Shamayim
(The Gates of Heaven). The famous Chief Rabbi of Egypt, Haim Nahoum
Effendi, conducted the service. In 1984, 34 years after leaving Egypt,
I returned with my daughter to visit this synagogue. One of the
remaining Jewish residents. I learned that she died later in 1995. On
Friday evenings the synagogue was always crowded and there was only
standing room if one was late. During the High Holidays, all
synagogues were well attended. Clubs, private schools and large homes
were used to conduct the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur prayers. What
was particularly strange was when thanked God for having delivered us
>from the Egyptians during Pessah Seders. Our identity as Jews was
quite strong and we even learned to sing the Hatikva in Ladino. There
were times of sadness, however. Many times during the year, the ritual
of what we called "meldado" (Yahrzeit) was observed. The custom was
celebrated in the home. There were a number of older men of modest
means who kept dates of deaths and made a living conducting such
services in the homes. We requested a number of men to make sure that
we had minyan, particularly in the middle of the week. Between
prayers, they discussed in Ladino passages of the Bible. These idyllic
conditions of Jews in Egypt came slowly to an end with the conflict in
Palestine, culminating with the establishment of the State of Israel
in 1948, and the disappearance of a vibrant community. Today, there
might possibly be about 100 older persons in all Egypt.

Since very little is widely known about the life of Jews from Egypt
and their subsequent trials and tribulations, it would be important to
commemorate the 50 years of the Second Exodus of Jews from Egypt in
1998. In 1992, we had an International Conference on the expulsion of
Jews from Spain. The international Conference of Jews from Egypt will
have witnesses who will be able to relate their own experiences.
Furthermore, a number of scholars familiar with the evens could be
invited. Anyone who feels that this would be an important conference
to hold in New York, and who have suggestions regarding its
organisation should write to me.

For a more in-depth expos=E9 of my experiences, the reader is referred
to the book Fields of Offerings by Victor D. Sanua ( Ed.) Ruthrford:
Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1983.

Dr. Victor Sanua is Research Professor in the Dept. Of Psychology at
St. John's University, Jamaica, NY 11439. Please write, c\o Image
Magazine, P.O.Box 290-642, Brooklyn, NY 11229-0642.




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 GROWING UP A JEW IN FRIENDLY ARAB CAIRO

Growing up as a Jew in Cairo

By Victor D. Sanua, Ph.

About 50 years ago, I came to America to study psychology. I was
fluent in English but my speech had a slight accent? Many people would
ask about my background. This was difficult to answer since one single
response would not suffice. If I was asked my place of birth, it was
Egypt (but I was not Egyptian ) . If I was asked about my passport, I
indicated I was Italian, but never lived in Italy; if they inquired
about the origin of my family, I would indicate Spain but I had to add
that my family left Spain about 500 years ago, went to Italy, and
later settled in Istanbul where I found burial stones with the name
Sanua (meaning "modest" in Hebrew), one dated early 17th.. Century.
The only thing I was sure about in my background was the fact that I
was Jewish. I am presenting this short exchange to indicate that a
large number of Jews born in Egypt were not culturally indigenous to
the country. During the middle of the 19th. Century, the ruler of
Egypt who wanted to modernise the country readily accepted Europeans,
consequently, a large number of Ladino speaking Jews came from Turkey.

In time, the dominant foreign language became French, in view of the
large number of French schools such as the Lycee Fancais and the
Catholic Schools ( Fr=E8res) which were attended by a large number of
Jewish children. My education started in the school of Bab-el-Louk.
Besides French, two other languages were taught, English and Arabic.
Two hours a week were devoted to the language of the country. Since
the Arabic that was taught was classical and had little to do with
spoken Arabic, many of us were never conversant with the language,
unless the home language was Arabic. However, we were able to manage
with "street" Arabic... All department stores had French speaking
employees. In my home, we spoke French and Ladino. Depending on their
background, Jews spoke other languages. The small Askenazi community
spoke Yiddish. Of course, the different nationals whose parents came
>from various countries spoke the language of their origin, and schools
were established for Italians, Germans, Greeks and Armenians. A few
scools taught in English. Since most of the students who attended such
schools and who wanted to pursue professional careers could not attend
Egyptian Universities because of Arabic deficiencies had to go abroad.
Only few students attended Egyptian Universities. In view of the
decline of France as a power , learning English became more important
and it was at that time that I pursued my education in English, first
in he high school attached to the American University at Cairo, and
later in their liberal college which made it possible for me to
continue with my studies in the U.S.A.

Social life for Jews, between the two World Wars, was quite pleasant.
Life centred on families, club activities and swimming pool
facilities. Cairo had practically everything that a major European
city could offer, Italian operas, ballet, Comedy Francaise, foreign
symphony orchestras, etc. We had the most recent movies produced in
the U.S.A., England, France and Italy. Alexandria was the major Resort
City where many Cairenes went to the beaches during vacation time.
Alexandria and Cairo had numerous nightclubs presenting shows. There
was one particular favourite place for dinner and dancing in Cairo
that was called Groppi. I was a member of a club called Judeo-Espagnol
but, because of the rising nationalism, the name was changed to Judeo-
Egyptian.

A teacher came to my home to prepare me for my Bar Mitzvah, which was
celebrated in the major synagogue in Cairo called Shaar Ha Shamayim
(The Gates of Heaven). The famous Chief Rabbi of Egypt, Haim Nahoum
Effendi, conducted the service. In 1984, 34 years after leaving Egypt,
I returned with my daughter to visit this synagogue. One of the
remaining Jewish residents. I learned that she died later in 1995. On
Friday evenings the synagogue was always crowded and there was only
standing room if one was late. During the High Holidays, all
synagogues were well attended. Clubs, private schools and large homes
were used to conduct the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur prayers. What
was particularly strange was when thanked God for having delivered us
>from the Egyptians during Pessah Seders. Our identity as Jews was
quite strong and we even learned to sing the Hatikva in Ladino. There
were times of sadness, however. Many times during the year, the ritual
of what we called "meldado" (Yahrzeit) was observed. The custom was
celebrated in the home. There were a number of older men of modest
means who kept dates of deaths and made a living conducting such
services in the homes. We requested a number of men to make sure that
we had minyan, particularly in the middle of the week. Between
prayers, they discussed in Ladino passages of the Bible. These idyllic
conditions of Jews in Egypt came slowly to an end with the conflict in
Palestine, culminating with the establishment of the State of Israel
in 1948, and the disappearance of a vibrant community. Today, there
might possibly be about 100 older persons in all Egypt.

Since very little is widely known about the life of Jews from Egypt
and their subsequent trials and tribulations, it would be important to
commemorate the 50 years of the Second Exodus of Jews from Egypt in
1998. In 1992, we had an International Conference on the expulsion of
Jews from Spain. The international Conference of Jews from Egypt will
have witnesses who will be able to relate their own experiences.
Furthermore, a number of scholars familiar with the evens could be
invited. Anyone who feels that this would be an important conference
to hold in New York, and who have suggestions regarding its
organisation should write to me.

For a more in-depth expos=E9 of my experiences, the reader is referred
to the book Fields of Offerings by Victor D. Sanua ( Ed.) Ruthrford:
Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1983.

Dr. Victor Sanua is Research Professor in the Dept. Of Psychology at
St. John's University, Jamaica, NY 11439. Please write, c\o Image
Magazine, P.O.Box 290-642, Brooklyn, NY 11229-0642.




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On May 5, 10:46 am, "hopeful"  wrote:
> Name the U. S. senator!"
PROVES THAT YOU ARE AN ILLITERATE MORON

Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1178371822.598702.247240@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Indian lawmakers hit back at US threat over Iran ties
>
> >    * Indo-US nuclear bill to be debated again in parliament
>
> > By Iftikhar Gilani
>
> > NEW DELHI: Indian government on Friday agreed to once again debate the
> > Indo-US nuclear deal in the parliament as a letter from a US lawmaker
> > pressing India to back off from its engagements with Iran to save the
> > nuclear deal sent the Rajya Sabha in rages.




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From: Venceremos 
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On May 5, 10:58 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1178372236.192894.80...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected
> > in
> > Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country,
> > according to
> > the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.
>
> That is about  5,000 people, hardly much of a number Alex.

Illiterate moron!  That is for the first three months of 07



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 5, 10:57 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > "The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. The same
> > thing will occur after we leave Iraq."
>
> A million dead in Vietnam after the defeat is not a catastrophe Alex?

I was there arsehole! Where you? I was at Ubon when an old Laotian
lady showed me her AK47 with 37 notches on it  To any human being
death of one person is just like the death of humanity



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 5, 11:00 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <_CS_h.11362$TD3.9...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >       WHAT THESE IDIOTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT TORTURE AND BEATINGS ARE A
> > TWO WAY STREET.
>
> Idiot who started this street Alex?

I AM SURE THAT BEING A JEW YOU WOULD BLAME THE VICTIM!



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From: "ElParedon" 
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I HOPE THEY DO!  RAAF, IS CURSING THE DAY THEY GOT THEM, F-22 IS CRAP, A 
FLYING COFFIN!

Israel may get F-22s

Apr. 26, 2007

"The United States would be inclined to allow the sale of advanced stealth 
F-22 fighter jets to the Israeli Air Force if the State of Israel's security 
was in jeopardy, former US Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen told The 
Jerusalem Post Thursday night.

On a 24-hour visit to Israel, Cohen, who served as defense chief under 
President Bill Clinton from 1996 until 2000, met on Thursday with Prime 
Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Foreign Minister 
Tzipi Livni for talks on the looming Iranian nuclear threat and other 
regional issues.

Cohen currently heads the Cohen Group, which provides business consulting 
services and advice on tactical and strategic opportunities around the 
globe.

The Post reported last week that the Air Force has expressed newfound 
interest in receiving the F-22 - a US-developed fifth generation stealth 
fighter jet - and has requested that the Defense Ministry present the 
request on its behalf to the Pentagon. Defense officials have asked to 
receive the jet so Israel can retain its military edge in the region in face 
of American plans to sell smart bombs to Saudi Arabia.

"There is no stronger relationship than with Israel," Cohen said. "There 
could be circumstances that that level of technology would be released to 
Israelis."

While Congress and the Pentagon would be hesitant to release classified 
technology like the F-22 to Israel, "if it came to a question of Israeli 
security, I am confident they will come to help."

The F-22 has been forbidden for export by the Pentagon.

Cohen arrived in Israel Wednesday night after visiting a number of Gulf 
states, including Abu Dhabi and Dubai, as well as Jordan. Cohen said that 
during his talks with leaders in those counties he heard "sentiments" 
acknowledging that Iran was the greatest threat to stability in the Middle 
East and no longer Israel. Cohen visited Israel as secretary of defense in 
2000.

"They understand that Iran is a threat to them all," he said. "There is a 
convergence of interest evolving and you can find that Israel is not being 
seen as the adversary."

With Iran funding Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Syria, 
there was a need to focus on the "center" when looking to find the catalyst 
for instability in the Middle East, Cohen said.

"The prospect of Iran getting nuclear weapons changes the dynamics in the 
region with great impact for rest of world," he said. "We try to seek ways 
that the Gulf states can cooperate with the US. They are not yet ready to 
announce diplomatic relations with Israel but the sentiment is shifting and 
they understand that Iran is the major threat to them and not Israel."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1177591142861&pagename=JPost%




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    "Al Qaeda thretens to kill 300,000 American troops!"

STRAIGHT FROM BIN ADAM PEARLMAN, NEW JEWISH LEADER OF AL QAEDA!!!  HOORAY!

IT IS ALMOST LAUGHABLE HOW THIS JEWISH PROPAGANDA GETS POSTED EXACTLY AT THE 
TIME WHEN CONGRESS IS DEBATING THE END OF IRAQI GENOCIDE  (NOT WAR)

WOW the cutting edge of news ??

I do note the "name dropping" ... an especially "American method" of 
gathering audience attention.

al Qaeda .... Mossad and CIA working together

Ayman al Zawahiri ... peg-legs alleged replacement .. yet another US made 
persona

Allah ... no offence meant but more Americans use this word than others now

Osama bin Laden .. oh lets not forget the dead guy .. any combination of 
these terms is designed to strike fear and uncertainty into the American 
public ... and have them fall on their faces begging their government to 
kill everyone in the street to protect them.


So one would have to ask what this alleged Pegleg replacement would be 
interested in American politics for ... when no one else is.

It seems to me that the "self centeredness" of Americans is written all over 
this alleged mans quotes ... therefore it's almost positive that this 
Zawahiri is an American posing as something he is not.

IT HAS BIN BUSH WRITTEN ALL OVER IT!




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An English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in a French tunnel, 
driving a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a Belgian who was drunk 
on Scotch whiskey, followed closely by Italian Paparazzi, on Japanese 
motorcycles, treated by an American doctor, using Brazilian medicines. This 
is posted by an American, using Bill Gates' technology, and you're probably 
reading this on a computer that uses Taiwanese chips and a Korean monitor, 
assembled by Bangladeshi workers in a Singapore plant, transported by Indian 
lorry-drivers, hijacked by Indonesians, unloaded by Sicilian longshoremen, 
and trucked to you by Mexican illegals. That, my friend, is Globalization 




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 May 5, 2007

At a press conference in November 2001, George Bush stated:

A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy. A coalition 
partner must perform. All nations must do something. It's important for 
nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity. You're either 
with us or against us in the fight against terror.

He then went on to explain that any country that gives safe haven to a 
terrorist, even if it does not support the terrorist's intent, is just as 
guilty as a nation that sponsors terrorism. There was no ambiguity in his 
message.

Since that time, Bush has coerced countries to perform duties against their 
own will in the guise of fighting terrorism. He has made up terrorists that 
don't exist and threatened countries because of mythical figures. Thousands 
of people worldwide are in secret prisons because of Bush's "war on terror."

Despite the tough talk about abetting terrorists, Bush is a collaborator 
with terrorists. There are two world-class terrorists who will never come to 
justice because they are protected by the U.S. Most U.S. citizens have never 
heard of one: Luis Posada. The other, Ilyad Allawi, is vaguely remembered as 
a former prime minister of the "new" Iraq.

Posada's list of actions is long and comprehensive. His career highlight was 
orchestrating the blowing up of Cubana Flight 45 on October 6, 1976, in 
which all 73 people on board died, including 24 members of the Cuban 
national fencing team.

Other atrocities attributed to Posada include the planning of the bombing of 
Cuban hotels, cafés and dancehalls. In cahoots with portions of the Cuban 
exile community in Miami, Florida, Posada has been involved with bombings 
and assassinations against Cuban interests in Venezuela, Guatemala and other 
countries.

It appeared that Posada was going to be brought to justice when he was 
arrested and put on trial in Venezuela. He escaped and was on the run until 
2005, when he was arrested in the U.S. Posada claimed asylum and a judge 
ruled he could be deported, but not to Venezuela or Cuba. Both countries 
want to incarcerate him for the destruction of the airliner, but the U.S. 
administration did not allow this to happen.

On April 26, 2006, Posada applied for U.S. citizenship. He has a good chance 
of becoming a U.S. citizen, allowing him to spend the rest of his life 
outside a jail cell.

The U.S. "war on terror" does not apply to terrorists who work on the side 
of the U.S. Luis Posada was a CIA asset for years. He and the CIA worked 
hand-in-hand on many projects. When asked if he felt any guilt about his 
hotel and café bombings, he replied, "I sleep like a baby."

Let's take a look at another terrorist who eventually became Iraq's prime 
minister. On May 28, 2004, when the U.S. government announced that Ilyad 
Allawi would become Iraq's interim prime minister, most people asked, "Who?" 
Before this time, he was unknown to the U.S. public

Ilyad Allawi was an Iraqi exile living in London. When he first moved to 
London, he was a member of Iraq's Ba'ath Party. Shortly after, he changed 
sides and sold his services to the British spy agency MI6. Later on, he 
collaborated with the CIA as well.

In the mid-1990s, the Clinton administration had placed the assassination of 
Saddam Hussein at the top of its agenda, albeit in a covert manner. The plan 
was for Iraqi dissidents to meet in the north of Iraq (at the time under the 
protection of U.S. forces) and march to Baghdad. The U.S. was to supply air 
power and weapons.

Allawi was the man for the job. He was in charge of a U.S.-sponsored Iraqi 
expatriate group called the Iraqi National Accord (INA). The first part of 
the operation was to create havoc in Baghdad. For about six months in 1996, 
INA agents blew up bus stops, cinemas and stores in Baghdad. At least 150 
civilians were killed and many more injured.

Syndicated columnist Eric Margolis of the Toronto Sun was one of the few 
journalists who wrote about the plan. In his column, "The Bay of Camels," of 
August 25, 1997, he stated, "Terrorism is bad, it seems, when used against 
Americans or Israelis, but fine when used against Iraqis."

The title of Margolis' column was a mockery of the "Bay of Pigs" invasion by 
Cuban dissidents backed by the U.S. that turned into an embarrassing defeat. 
The Iraqi debacle in 1996 had similar implications, yet gained little 
publicity.

The Iraqis discovered who was behind the terrorist attacks and arrested INA 
agents in Baghdad. In addition, Iraqi special agents had already infiltrated 
the would-be insurgents. The scheduled invasion was doomed before it began. 
The infiltration of Iraqi government assets, along with a decision by the 
U.S. not to supply air cover, made it a non-starter.

At the time, a civil war was raging in the north of Iraq between the two 
largest Kurdish factions. One of their leaders, Barzani, asked Saddam 
Hussein for help in putting down his rivals. The payoff for Iraq was that 
Barzani alerted the Iraqis to the huge CIA operation in Irbil, in the north 
of Iraq. The Iraqi troops destroyed the CIA program and helped Barzani take 
over Irbil, then they returned to Baghdad.

After the failed coup, Allawi was protected by the U.S. and he fled to 
England. He still was a major behind-the-scenes player involved in the 2003 
invasion of Iraq. Many know of the escapades of Ahmed Chalabi and his group, 
the INC, but Allawi continued his work for the CIA after the failed strategy 
to get rid of Saddam.

On November 13, 2004, The Spectator, a British publication, ran a feature by 
Andrew Gilligan called "The Strongman of Baghdad." According to the article:

Unlike his main rival in Iraqi exile politics, the banker Ahmed Chalabi, he 
(Allawi) was low-key and persuasive, hinting at highly placed contacts 
inside the regime who were ready to turn the West's way. Not for the last 
time, Ilyad Allawi was telling the British, and later the U.S. government 
exactly what they wanted to hear, and the CIA millions started to pour in.

The INA's most controversial operation during this period was a campaign of 
what can only be termed terrorism against civilians. In 1994 and 1995, a 
series of bombings at cinemas, mosques and other places in Baghdad claimed 
up to 100 civilian lives .

In 1996, with massive CIA backing, Mr. Allawi finally got to mount his coup. 
It was a complete fiasco, not entirely helped by his decision to announce 
the supposedly top-secret operation to the Washington Post. Even before 
this, Saddam's secret police had secretly seized the sophisticated encrypted 
satphone sent into Iraq to communicate with the coup plotters and were using 
it to feed disinformation to the CIA. Once the coup had been crushed and all 
the plotters arrested, the special line came to life one last tie. It was 
the Iraqis, kindly ringing up the CIA to let them know it was all over.

The "ringing up the CIA" to which Gilligan refers consisted of an Iraqi 
officer calling a CIA agent in Amman, Jordan, who was anxiously awaiting 
word of how the operation was progressing. When the CIA operative answered, 
the Iraqi officer said, "Gotcha!"

Allawi continued to rake in the revenues from the British and American 
intelligence agencies. He, like Chalabi, continued to turn out the most 
outrageous allegations about Saddam Hussein and Iraq. The more preposterous, 
the better. Gilligan added:

Undaunted, Mr. Allawi kept up his contacts (and income) with the spooks and 
an even thirstier less discriminating audience, the British press. At 
top-secret meetings in London hotels, murmured conversations with selected 
extra-gullible hacks would produce exciting headlines in top right-wing 
newspapers. It was the INA, in July 2000, which fed the Sunday Telegraph the 
sensational scoop that Saddam had deployed crack "Mata Hari" teams of killer 
belly-dancers to Britain to assassinate his political opponents, a story 
which continues to be remembered with tears of real joy whenever 
Iraq-watching journalists gather to reminisce.

Allawi's acts of terrorism, lying, and bilking the U.S. and Britain of 
millions of dollars were well-rewarded: he was appointed Iraq's prime 
minister. If any non-governmental citizen of the U.S. or Britain had 
performed similar acts, he/she would be imprisoned for life. If an 
administration official of these nations did likewise, it would be 
considered in "the best interest of national security."

As prime minister in a quisling government, Allawi had virtually no support. 
The people of Iraq did not respect him. Even Saddam Hussein's opponents who 
lived in Iraq their whole lives despised Allawi.

The U.S. spent millions of dollars listening to peoples' advice on Iraq. 
But, those they asked for information always gave them the wrong advice. Not 
one penny was spent on listening to the opinion of Iraqis in Iraq, not 
exiles living in luxury who had no idea of Iraqi attitudes. Gilligan summed 
it up:

The trouble, you see, with wafting in a British passport-holder from 
Wimbledon as your chosen leader is that he has no genuine political capital 
in Iraq to spend, no popular support to withstand the inevitable crises.

Let's go back to the 1996 "Bay of Camels" debacle and look at how then 
President Bill Clinton handled the affair. He had to take some military 
action against Iraq, yet he could not admit that the U.S. had the world's 
largest CIA operation in Irbil and that it had been completely knocked out.

On September 3, 1996, Clinton told the press:

Three days ago, despite clear warnings from the United States and the 
international community, Iraqi forces attacked and seized the 
Kurdish-controlled city of Irbil in northern Iraq. The limited withdrawals 
announced by Iraq do not change the reality. Saddam Hussein's army today 
controls Irbil and Iraqi units remain deployed for further attacks.

These acts demand a strong response and they have received one. Earlier 
today, I ordered American forces to strike Iraq. Our missiles sent the 
following message to Saddam Hussein: when you abuse your own people or 
threaten your neighbors you must pay a price.

Clinton appealed to the sensitivities of the U.S. public by saying that 
Saddam again was abusing his own people. There was not one word about the 
CIA operation or that the Iraqi army defended against an assassination 
attempt. The most curious aspect of Clinton's explanation was the area in 
which the missiles were sent. If Iraqi troops were "abusing" the Iraqi 
people in Irbil in the north of Iraq, logic would say that a military 
response would have been conducted in the north. But, Clinton added:

First, we are expanding the no-fly zone in southern Iraq. This will deny 
Saddam control of Iraqi airspace from the Kuwaiti border to the southern 
suburbs of Baghdad and significantly restrict Iraq's ability to conduct 
offensive operations in the region. Second, to protect the safety of our 
aircraft enforcing this no-fly zone, our cruise missiles struck Saddam's air 
defense capabilities in southern Iraq.

Clinton mentioned that the strike was to "restrict Iraq's ability to conduct 
offensive operations in the region." Iraq did not conduct offensive 
operations in the south. It was in the north. Even a few reporters asked why 
the south of Iraq was whacked when the Iraqi troops were in the north. 
Clinton gave a feeble excuse and the press bought it.

The reason Clinton sent any cruise missiles was because of the outcry from 
Congress to retaliate. But, he could not tell the truth. At the time, the 
press had no information about the huge CIA operation that had been 
destroyed.

The operation was not un-noticed by Congress. Most members knew of the CIA 
operation, but were tight-lipped. After the fiasco, the Democrats tried to 
downplay the event, while the Republicans went for the jugular.

A document from the House Republican Policy Committee, called "U.S. 
Intelligence Debacle Worst Since the Day of Pigs," was released on October 
8, 1996. The report was primarily an attack on Bill Clinton's "weakness" on 
Iraq. But, much information was included of which the U.S. public was 
unaware. According to the report:

In early 1996, President Clinton signed a secret directive authorizing a 
covert CIA operation to unseat Saddam Hussein. He and his CIA director, John 
M. Deutch, pinned their hopes on a cadre of Kurdish and Iraqi agents 
operating inside Iraq with undercover U.S. support. In America's largest 
covert operation since the successful CIA campaign against the Soviets in 
Afghanistan, Deutch personally promised the effort would succeed "within a 
year."

But the Clinton-Deutch scheme in Iraq began to come apart in June 1996.

First, the CIA attempt to infiltrate the Republican Guard was uncovered. 
Reminiscent of the "exploding cigar" fiascoes targeting Fidel Castro in the 
early 1960s, one of the missions that Clinton approved was to plant a small 
bomb in one of Saddam Hussein's palaces. It went off, but not while Saddam 
Hussein was there. The fact that the bomb at least detonated was the only 
success of the infiltration. Through late June and early July 1996, Iraqi 
security forces systematically exposed every one of the U.S.-backed officers 
and agents in the ranks of the Republican Guard .

. With hundreds of American-supported Kurds and Iraqis dead or imprisoned, 
Bill Clinton dishonestly declared victory before a credulous American public 
who did not know (and could not have known) what actually happened in Iraq.

Though it was the Republicans who brought out the real facts about the 
debacle in Irbil, they did not do so for altruistic reasons or to enlighten 
the U.S. public about situations in Iraq. The report was a partisan swipe at 
a Democrat president. In fact, before the situation turned sour, most 
Republicans supported the idea of trying to have Saddam Hussein overthrown 
>from within.

The main U.S. asset, Allawi, was quickly transported out of Iraq with most 
of the U.S. agents. The Iraqi stooges, who thought they were being 
well-protected, were left defenseless against the Iraqi troops and they paid 
a hefty price.

Posada and Allawi are in the major leagues of terrorists. But, the U.S. has 
protected both. Posada probably will become a U.S. citizen and Allawi now 
splits his time between an expensive, well-guarded house in Jordan, and 
another residence in London. Some working class Moslem may get arrested in 
his house in the U.S. and accused for being a terrorist because of his 
reading material. But, two of the world's most notorious terrorists are 
protected by the same administration that said there will be no safe haven 
for any terrorist in the world.

Coincidentally, the FBI has downgraded the Mother of All Terrorists, Osama 
Bin-Laden. The current explanation of crimes for his being on the FBI Most 
Wanted list is:

Osama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998 bombing of 
the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya.

What about 9-11? The reason for the invasion of Afghanistan was that the 
country would not hand over Osama Bin-Laden, the mastermind of 9-11, to U.S. 
authorities. Now, the FBI says it does not have enough evidence to charge 
him with that crime.

Afghanistan was invaded and occupied by foreign troops because it was the 
home of Osama Bin-Laden. Iraq was invaded and occupied by foreign troops 
because Saddam Hussein and Bin-Laden were in cahoots with each other.

A 2006 U.S. government report stated that there was no link between Saddam 
and Bin-Laden. It added that Saddam Hussein held Bin-Laden in contempt and 
assured that no Al-Qaida operatives were allowed to enter Iraq. The FBI 
admits it has no proof that Bin-Laden was behind the 9-11 attacks in the 
U.S. But, the truth is immaterial. Iraq and Afghanistan are still both under 
brutal occupations.




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> Because he's trying to awkwardly straddle his two self-chosen roles as
> a politician within the Israeli parliament
FUCK ISRAEL, AND FUCK YOUR JEWS! 




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The whole problem is that US does not want Iran to be able to defend itself 
>from Israel, so that Israel remains a dominant power over whole ME with 
their 200 plus nukes!

Complete and mutual disarmament of the whole ME and the whole world is the 
only way to permanent peace.

Right now US is even claiming sovereignity over THE SPACE! As if space 
belongs to anyone. That is beside the point that for the past five years we 
have had to use dozens of Russian space ships in order to be able to reach 
ISS and to take dozens of Americans to it!

"Michael Martin-Smith"  wrote in message 
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> Last year I made , slightly tongue in cheek, the suggestion in an open
> letter to Ha'aretz that the confrontation over Iran's nuclear programme
> could be defused by offering to help that country develop reactors powered
> by Thorium rather than Uranium 235. I even proposed, that if Iran herself
> were to undertake the R&D as a nationalistic programme, the Iranians would
> not only achieve their nuclear ambitions, but also would win a
> technological/commercial lead which they could legitimately exploit in the
> global economy. Furthermore, since a Thorium reactor would produce much
> lower levels of waste than present day reactors, and no Uranium or
> Plutonium, Iran would, by going down this path, achieve nuclear power
> generation without having to constantly deny an intention or even
> possibility of manufacturing nuclear weapons  at all!
> Israeli leaders could give their Air Force Commanders a well earned break,
> and ease their fingers twitching, as they now are,  nervously over their
> little red buttons.
>
> Also, with much lower intensity of its nuclear wastes, the idea of a 
> "dirty"
> terrorist bomb would be essentially nullified,  since evidence is that low
> levels of waste do NOT justify the expensive and disruptive contamination
> exercise as carried out at Chernobyl, and which would be the principal aim
> of the putative terrorists of Al Qa'eda et al .
> In our  radiation phobic culture, the  frenzied reaction to such a 
> "weapon"
> would be far more destructive of lives and welfare than an attitude of
> benign comparative neglect followed by  regular medical checks; no I131, 
> no
> carcinoma of thyroid, should simplify matters.Follow up studies at and 
> near
> Chernobyl after 20 years suggest that such an approach would have worked 
> as
> well as all the dislocation; with a Thorium based reactor,or an attempted
> terrorist "dirty bomb" based on Thorium generated wastes, this would be 
> true
> a fortiori. A good response to terrorists is to refuse to be terrorised?
> Come back, Terry Thomas and David Niven - such divine nonchalance would be 
> a
> tonic to us all...
>
> I was delighted to learn in another  recent article  that within two-three
> years, scientists at Imperial College in London, together with 
> counterparts
> in the USA,  are to further investigate and develop the potential for
> Thorium based reactors. Recent work at the Technion Institute in Israel,
> with collaboration at Russia's Kurchatov Institute,  on the safe and
> economic glassification of low level wastes suggest that by 2010 or so , 
> we
> may have at last learned how to "close the loop" in safe nuclear power
> generation - safer production, no risk of terrorism/proliferation, and 
> safe
> disposal of fewer and less radioactive wastes .Thorium, I understand, is
> actually more plentiful for miners than is Uranium, and would bring India
> ( a major site of deposits) a considerable boon in economic development.
>
> An opportunity to save Iran's face , and avert the looming confrontation
> with its nuclear ambitions, bring wealth and development to a still
> struggling India, free us from Mid East oil, combat  carbon dioxide
> emissions without penury or hyper-regulation, and buy time for  Helium 3
> based nuclear fusion and advanced space based solar power over the next 50
> years or so?
> Such an opportunity is rare indeed; too good to be true? - I suspect not.
> But too good to be taken up - very likely!!
> Michael Martin-Smith
>
> 




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"Cazador"  wrote in message 
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> DEBKAfile Exclusive: Ambitious Saudi-Egyptian-Kuwaiti plan for two
> bridges to span Gulf of Aqaba looms over free Israel's freedom of
> navigation
>
> May 5, 2007, 1:42 PM (GMT+02:00)
>
>
> Tiran Strait
>
> One bridge across the Tiran Strait will span a distance of 25 km from
> the Saudi mainland at Ras el-Sheik Humayd to Tiran island; the second
> will carry traffic up to the Egyptian Sinai resort of Sharm el-Sheikh,
> becoming the first direct link between Arabia and Africa.
> DEBKAfile reports: Israel was not advised of the $3bn project or
> informed how international shipping in the Tiran Strait would be
> regulated - even though its military and economic interests are
> vitally affected.
> The Gulf of Aqaba through Tiran Strait is Israel's southern sea outlet
> to and from Eilat Port. International oil tankers put in at Eilat
> port, a link in the oil and gas pipeline to the Mediterranean port of
> Ashkelon and on from there to Europe and the Far East. It is also
> Israel's export route to the Far East.
> The 1967 Israel-Arab war flared when Egypt blockaded the Tiran Strait
> by deploying artillery batteries at Sharm el Sheik.
> DEBKAfile's military sources add further the double bridge will
> provide Saudi military units dry land access to the Sinai Peninsula
> and a presence on Israel's southern border.
> Next week, Saudi King Abdullah will lay the foundation stone for the
> project when he visits the northern military town of Tabuk. The Saudi-
> Egyptian-Kuwait consortium plans for the project to begin at once and
> be completed by 2012.
> The Saudis see the island of Tiran as the bustling hub of the project,
> the center of a future bridge authority that will regulate the traffic
> using the Saudi-Sinai bridges as well as controlling shipping traffic
> in and out of the Gulf of Aqaba up to Eilat.
> At present, the Israeli navy regularly inspects Tiran Island to
> prevent its use by terrorists including al Qaeda as a jumping off base
> for attacks on its merchant shipping through the Tiran Strait.
> New Egyptian military and naval units are to guard the bridges'
> terminal at Sharm el Sheik, while Saudi armored and air force units at
> the Tabuk base will secure the Arabian end.
> The project highlights the dynamic nature of Abdullah's reign in the
> oil kingdom. It contrasts sharply with Israel's strategic, military
> and economic stagnation in the last 15 years, during which investment
> in regional or even national development projects has shrunk to nil
> despite a financial boom.
> DEBKAfile's Middle East sources report that Egypt stands to gain
> enormously from the bridge link: Its Red Sea resort of Sharm el Sheik
> will boom as the focal point of expanded air, commercial and overland
> traffic between Africa and Arabia. Cairo foresees the Sinai hotel and
> tourist center growing into a future Marbella or Abu Dhabi.
> Eilat will have to fight harder than ever for a slice of the
> international tourist trade in the Red Sea region unless Israel pulls
> its socks up. At present, Israeli entrepreneurs are funneling
> investments into the purchase of real estate in Manhattan, Moscow and
> Bucharest for lack of Israeli government initiatives despite the
> country's financial prosperity.

Cazador, this article opens many doors to peace. If Israelis play their 
cards right they could be at the forefront of the biggest industrial boom in 
Sinai. I have spent many happy days in Dahab, Sharm, and have always 
wondered why didn't investors build plants there, with huge reserves of 
labour available, ideal weather, and easy access to Europe and the world.

Thanks! 




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Bush: we'll leave Iraq if they ask-exit stategy
Note that all reports are based on the Guardian article about Hoon/Rumsfeld 
exit plan- as far as I can tell and pointd out by another member, the story 
has not been picked up by AP or Reuters

Bush: we'll leave Iraq if they ask

Correspondents in Washington

January 29, 2005

GEORGE W.Bush has committed the US to pulling its troops out of Iraq if its 
new leaders ask them to leave following tomorrow's landmark democratic 
elections.

However, the US President said he expected the new government, which will 
inherit a crippling insurgency, would ask US forces to remain "as helpers, 
not occupiers".

Mr Bush's election-eve comments came amid reports that the US and Britain, 
the key drivers of the invasion to oust Saddam Hussein almost two years ago, 
had agreed on an exit strategy.

"I've heard the voices of the people that presumably will be in a position 
of responsibility after these elections, though you never know," Mr Bush 
said in an interview with The New York Times.

"But it seems like most of the leadership there understands that there will 
be a need for coalition troops at least until Iraqis are able to fight."

Asked if US troops should be withdrawn if the new Iraqi administration 
requested it, Mr Bush said: "Yes, absolutely. And this is a sovereign 
government - they're on their feet."

It is the first time Mr Bush has acknowledged what other officials in his 
administration have said: that US troops will leave Iraq if asked by its 
elected officials.

Mr Bush also acknowledged that many Iraqis considered the US an occupying 
force.

"The fundamental question also that I think a lot of Iraqis understand - and 
I do, too - is: how do we make sure the Iraqi citizens view US troops as 
helpers, not as occupiers?" he said.

"To the extent that a coalition presence is viewed as an occupying force, it 
enables the insurgents, the radicals, to continue to impress people that the 
government really is not their government, and that the government is 
complicit in having their country occupied.

"I view that as reasonable. I also view that as pretty hopeful that there is 
nationalistic sentiment, that 'this is my country'. To me, that's a positive 
sign."

Earlier, London newspaper The Guardian reported that US Defence Secretary 
Donald Rumsfeld and his British counterpart Geoff Hoon had agreed on a plan 
for withdrawing their troops from Iraq.

The plan was based on doubling the number of Iraqi police trainees and 
setting up Iraqi paramilitary units, the paper said.

It followed recommendations from retired US general Gary Luck, who was sent 
to Iraq by the Pentagon last month to look at the failings of local security 
forces.

The Government of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, which faces an election 
in May, had made a phased troop withdrawal its top priority, the paper said.

"Everything the Defence Secretary is working towards now is an exit 
strategy, but without a public timetable," a British military source was 
quoted as saying.

 more at:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12080321%255E2703,00.html




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
> news:1178322422.265863.303550@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> SOUNDS JUST LIKE VIRGINIA TECH THIRTY TIMES MULTIPLIED
>
> Wouldn't that mean that the bloodthirsty Islamists stoned to death ~90 
> women? Idiot.
 YOU ARE AN IDIOT. YAZIDIS ARE NOT MUSLIMS, THEY STONED THE GIRL FOR 
CONVERTING TO ISLAM YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED CROATIAN IDIOT 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>A 17-year-old girl has been stoned to death in Iraq because she loved a
> teenage boy of the wrong religion.
>
> As a horrifying video of the stoning went out on the Internet, the British
> arm of Amnesty International condemned the death of Du'a Khalil Aswad as 
> "an
> abhorrent murder" and demanded that her killers be brought to justice.
>
> Reports from Iraq said a local security force witnessed the incident, but
> did nothing to try to stop it. Now her boyfriend is in hiding in fear for
> his life.
>
> Miss Aswad, a member of a minority Kurdish religious group called Yezidi,
> was condemned to death as an "honour killing" by other men in her family 
> and
> hardline religious leaders because of her relationship with the Sunni 
> Muslim
> boy.
 I suggest you rent "Zorba the Greek" and see some real Christian stoning! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> wallz@home.naypeace.cam says...
>> Dershowitz's first sentence gives his game away: "There is no democracy 
>> in
>> the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without
>> taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks."
>>
>
> He is right!
>
> Name me one that would tolerate it?
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY IRAQIS ARE FIGHTING BACK! 




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"hopeful"  wrote in message 
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> Name the U. S. senator!
What's the matter, you never learnt how to read, you stupid arse?

> "Venceremos"  wrote in message 
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>> Indian lawmakers hit back at US threat over Iran ties
>>
>>    * Indo-US nuclear bill to be debated again in parliament
>>
>>
>> By Iftikhar Gilani
>>
>> NEW DELHI: Indian government on Friday agreed to once again debate the
>> Indo-US nuclear deal in the parliament as a letter from a US lawmaker
>> pressing India to back off from its engagements with Iran to save the
>> nuclear deal sent the Rajya Sabha in rages.
>
> 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On May 5, 4:52 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> An English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in a French 
>> tunnel,
>> driving a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a Belgian who was 
>> drunk
>> on Scotch whiskey, followed closely by Italian Paparazzi, on Japanese
>> motorcycles, treated by an American doctor, using Brazilian medicines. 
>> This
>> is posted by an American, using Bill Gates' technology, and you're 
>> probably
>> reading this on a computer that uses Taiwanese chips and a Korean 
>> monitor,
>> assembled by Bangladeshi workers in a Singapore plant, transported by 
>> Indian
>> lorry-drivers, hijacked by Indonesians, unloaded by Sicilian 
>> longshoremen,
>> and trucked to you by Mexican illegals. That, my friend, is Globalization
>
> Globalisation is Babelism..

ZA DOM SPREMNI! 




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The Green Zone Follies

Baghdad, 01 May 07: "When our victorious troops conquered Iraq, even as the 
officers and senior American political "advisors" and the sadistic and 
brutal "contractors" were massively looting the various palaces , offices 
and museums, a pallet containing 100,000 10x 20 full color pictures of our 
Beloved President arrived here with instructions to post them in all public 
buildings such as mosques and schools. Naturally, this did not happen, the 
soldiers being too busy looking for something to steal or for willing, and 
more often unwilling, local females. Now, I notice, someone found this silly 
shit and they are posting the pictures on the backs of urinals, on garbage 
cans in mess halls and on condom and tampon dispensers everywhere. The local's 
loss is not our gain. Believe me, it's a wonderful relief to take a healthy 
piss on his smirking, brainless face.

I imagine from the comments I have heard, and officers are included, that if 
Bush came to Iraq like the really nutty space-case McCain and took a stroll 
(like McCain, with 500 heavily armed soldiers around him) he wouldn't make 
it back to the airfield and his air-conditioned gourmet lunch. And if the 
loathsome Cheney ever made an appearance, it would take the entire 82nd 
Airborne to protect him.not from the rag heads but his own people!

Long before the toady and suck-ass American press started reporting it, I 
have been telling all of you about how really unsafe our Green Zone is. The 
reason they are wreaking havoc here is because of all the foreign reporters 
and diplomats located inside the zone. If some outpost were overrun by 
nationals and the occupants put to the sword, believe me it would never, 
never see the light of day in the American media. It would never get one 
line of type in any paper or one sentence on any TV news program. But when 
they do the big dirty inside the Green Zone, too many others who cannot be 
controlled witness it. The Resistance has virtually destroyed the power 
infrastructure but those inside the zone are unaware of it because we have 
our own power sources here and we have electricity, sewage and water without 
a problem.

New troops arriving here have no body armor. When body armor is shipped in, 
in small batches, it is promptly "organized" by the regulars here and sold 
on the black market within minutes of arrival. The new ones get nothing but 
a ticket home in a metal box.and no legs either.

Mail, all computers and any telephone calls in or out of the country are 
spied on 24/7 and God help anyone who complains or makes rude remarks about 
Bush or his cronies. All emails go through a center and all emails are 
vetted before being passed on. Also, many foreign newsmen have been told, 
off the record, that if they go too far, they will have fatal accidents.and 
quite a number of them had. After all, our troops, acting on orders, shot up 
the Russian ambassador's staff while they were evacuating to Syria at the 
beginning of the war and we all know how badly they tried to off the Italian 
journalist (they nailed her government bodyguard instead) and on and on.

Most of the foreign military observers here personally consider the conduct 
of American military units to be barbaric and bloody but the Israelis think 
we don't go far enough. I had one Israeli major tell a group of us how to 
shoot Arab children and how much fun it was to watch them explode when hit 
with dum-dum bullets with which all IDF troops are supplied.

Morale is so low here that you would have to use a well-digging rig to 
locate it, drug use is over the top, thefts, rapes, murders and suicides are 
the order of the day and guess what, kids? Summer is coming again! "

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2678.htm 




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May 4, 2007

In the media over the past four years, there have been nearly 1000 stories 
about US military brutality, atrocities, torture, sexual abuse, sexual 
perversion and massacres of Iraqi civilians.

These account for one hundredth (1/100th) of the truth of the matter.

Iraq is a prison and the US military, comprised of murderous, rampaging 
young men, contorted and demented by a war-hungry media, is the jailer.

Consider these stories then:

WASHINGTON (AP) - A new Pentagon survey of troops in Iraq found that only 
40% of Marines and 55% of Army soldiers would report a member of their unit 
for killing or wounding an innocent civilian.
In the first internal military study of battlefield ethics in Iraq, 
officials said Friday they also found that only a third of Marines and 
roughly half of soldiers said they believed that non-combatants should be 
treated with dignity.

The study also found that long and repeated deployments were increasing 
troop mental health problems. And it showed that more than 40% of Marines 
and soldiers said torture should be allowed to save the lives of troops.

The study was the fourth since 2003. Previous studies were more generally 
aimed at assessing the mental health and well-being of forces deployed in 
the war.

Fifty percent (50%) of US soldiers believe they should not treat 
non-combatant deaths with dignity. The media is re-wrapping the issue here 
by choosing carefully constructed words to pamper the American voter.

Non-combatant deaths = civilians killed by a US patrol, civilians killed at 
a checkpoint; men, women and children who were massacred in their homes, in 
their cars, at wedding ceremonies, walking down the streets - no matter.

THE PLAIN TRUTH HERE IS THAT EVERY IRAQI (INCLUDING THOSE IRAQIS WHO FLOCK 
TO THE AMERICAN BOOT AND LICK IT FOR PRICES PAID AND SERVICES RENDERED) IS 
CONSIDERED WORTHLESS.

Fifty percent (50%) means that there are seventy-five thousand US troops 
(75,000) who don't mind popping an Iraqi or two, cutting of their ears, 
picking up parts of their brain, or photographing them and sending them in 
to nowthatsfuckedup.com.

THIS IS THE TRUE FACE OF THE US MILITARY IN IRAQ.

So, who on earth can still believe the US is in Iraq to help us? They are 
there to destroy us. And the Iraqis who protest and try to give a humane 
face to the occupation are equally criminal.

But there is more: A survey of US combat troops deployed in Iraq has found 
that one in 10 said they mistreated civilians and more than a third condoned 
torture to save the life of a comrade, a report said Friday.

The study by an army mental health advisory team found continuing problems 
with morale and that acute mental health issues were more prevalent among 
troops with lengthening tours or on their second and third deployment to 
Iraq.

"They looked under every rock, and what they found was not always easy to 
look at," said Ward Casscells, the Pentagon's health affairs chief.

For the first time ever, a sampling of soldiers and marines in combat units 
were questioned on issues of character, and their answers suggested hardened 
attitudes toward civilians among front line troops:

-- About 10 percent of soldiers surveyed reported mistreating non-combatants 
or damaging their property when it was not necessary;

There have been the massacres of Falluja, Samarra, Haditha, Ramadi; the 
rapes of Abeer and thousands of other Iraqi women.

And yet, there are pathetic Iraqis who have chosen a life of comfort and 
pleasure for themselves who look back at their home country (for some, it is 
not their country at all, but nevermind) and feel a twinge of guilt.

So they embark on efforts to gather signatures, petitions, notices - what 
effect these will have, the devil only knows.

One million people marched through London - and these are conservative 
figures - in a democracy where the power of the people IS THE POWER OF THE 
STATE. And they were helpless - and now these treacherous Iraqis believe 
petitions will influence change.

But the young are naive, full of piss, cum and vinegar - as the popular 
saying goes - and often they are rash, unwise.

These Iraqi petitioners would have done well to study history and see that 
violence is ended ONLY with violence. If 10,000 Iraqis marched on the Green 
Zone and applied the principles of Ghandi and hugged some trees, then the 
undertaker would have 10,000 coffins to fill the next day.

Grow up. Embrace the resistance. There IS a national resistance. It will not 
rest till Iraq - a unified Iraq, home to Shia, Sunni, Yazidi, Kurd, Turkmen, 
Sabaean, Christian - is free and liberated.

THAT is the ONLY way. Learn your history. Before you have no home left. You 
can receive millions of dollars, you can be given luxury mansions in London 
or Washington or Canberra, but you will always be looked at with disdain. 
You will have no family there. You have no roots there.

Your only home is Iraq, can you afford to sell your conscience for pittance?

So, I welcome such news: (AP) A senior U-S commander has been wounded by 
small arms fire while inspecting a security wall being built around a Sunni 
enclave in Baghdad. Enclave? Who divided Iraq into partitions? Where were 
the sectarian terrorists BEFORE the US invasion?

The US invasion is the illness which plagues our country. Nothing else. 
Nothing more.

Rid yourself of this and the true path to reconciliation and reconstruction 
can begin.

There is no other way. I have said this for two years. And for two years the 
situation has so deteriorated in Iraq that those who ink-blotted their way 
have now all but left.

The resistance is the only source of pride we have.

I did not start this blog to enter a popularity contest. I did not start it 
to win accolades. I did not start it to spread hatred or malevolence. I 
started it to raise awareness.

Awareness begins by realizing and fundamentally understanding that no 
occupation has ever gone without resistance. Never in our collective 
history. Resistance IS the legitimate right of an oppressed people.

French in Nazi-Occupied France. The Chinese in Japanese-occupied China. The 
Jews in Warsaw. The Poles in Warsaw. The people of Stalingrad. The people of 
Belgrade. The people of Boston, Yorktown. The Celtic Iceni. The Avernii. The 
Parisii. The Spartans. The Gauls. On and on and on. Every occupation has 
been met with resistance.

And the resistance has always won. 




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Bush has destroyed Iraq and America
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By Paul Craig Roberts
4-30-7
http://www.rense.com/general76/busam.htm

American who voted Republican shares responsibility for the great evil 
America has brought to the Middle East.

The evil that America brought to Iraq transcends the tens or hundreds of 
thousands of Iraqi civilians who have been killed and maimed in the 
conflict. The evil goes beyond the destruction of ancient historical 
artifacts and the civilian infrastructure of a secular state and the 
decimation of the lives, careers, and families of millions of Iraqis.

The violence and killing that Bush brought to Iraq has spread antagonism 
between Sunni and Shiite throughout the Middle East with potentially 
draconian consequences. Bush's war has turned Muslim hearts and minds 
against America and made terrorism an acceptable means to resist American 
hegemony. With his mindless war, Bush has created more terrorism than the 
world has ever seen.

The reasons given for the American invasion of Iraq have been exposed as 
lies, revealing America as either a country of fools and idiots or of war 
criminals. Worldwide polls show that America is no longer regarded as a 
guiding light but is tied with Israel as the second greatest threat to world 
stability.

The nuclear-armed Russians, alarmed by America's gratuitous aggression and 
interference in Russian and Middle Eastern internal affairs and by Bush's 
aggressive withdrawal on June 13, 2002 from the 1972 anti-ballistic missile 
treaty, no longer see the US as a partner in peace but as a dangerous 
militaristic aggressor. The chance for understanding and trust with Russia 
has been destroyed by the stupid Bush administration. The White House Moron, 
who cannot successfully occupy Baghdad, believes he can run over Russia.

Former CIA director George "Slam-Dunk" Tenet writes in a new book, At the 
Center of the Storm: My years at the CIA that Vice President Dick Cheney and 
the neoconservatives caused America to invade Iraq without ever holding a 
serious debate about whether Iraq was a threat. Tenet writes: "There was 
never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the 
imminence of the Iraqi threat."

The 2003 American invasion of Iraq is a war crime under international law. 
The invasion caused sectarian violence far beyond anything Iraq had ever 
experienced under Saddam Hussein. Tenet writes that "sectarian violence in 
Iraq has taken on a life of its own and that US forces are becoming more and 
more irrelevant to the management of that violence."

Tenet says that Dick Cheney made him a scapegoat for the disastrous war by 
misrepresenting to media what he meant by "slam-dunk." Interviewed by "60 
Minutes," Tenet said that the administration misrepresented his comment to 
mean that the case was air tight that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass 
destruction. Tenet states that the Bush administration's misrepresentation 
of what he said is "the most despicable thing that ever happened" to him.

The American people have never been told the real reasons that Bush- Cheney 
and the Republican Party rushed us to war in Iraq. Americans have only been 
fed a pack of transparent lies.

The war has brought no honor, no glory, and no tangible benefit. The war has 
brought shame upon America for routine torture of Iraqi detainees and for 
the routine slaughter of unarmed Iraqi civilians ­ mothers, fathers, 
children, grandparents ­ by trigger-happy American troops. There are even 
reports of US mercenaries having fun riding around taking pot shots at Iraqi 
civilians.

Billions of dollars in "aid" are missing. The stench of corruption is heavy 
in the air. There are myriad investigations of Bush administration and 
contractor corruption. Who can keep up with them all? Cheney's Halliburton, 
the greatest hog at the trough, has not been indicted. The missing suitcases 
of cash have not been recovered. The earnest efforts of Congress have taken 
on a pathetic, plodding life of their own.

In an article just published in the Armed Forces Journal, Lt. Col. Paul 
Yingling, one of the commanders of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Iraq, 
condemns American generals as " mild-mannered team players" who "are not 
worthy of their soldiers" and who "underestimated the strength of the enemy, 
overestimated the capabilities of Iraq's government and security forces and 
failed to provide Congress with an accurate assessment of security 
conditions in Iraq."

Captains, majors, and lieutenant colonels are frustrated with the political 
cowardice of their general officers and are leaving the service in droves. 
The Army is trying to improve retention by offering $20,000 cash payments to 
the officers ­ another stupid Bush administration policy as any officer who 
sells his soul is demoralized.

Col. Yingling writes that Congress must step in and break up the way 
administrations use promotions to acquire compliant generals as accomplices 
in deceiving the American people

The most frightening fact about the Bush administration is that not a single 
office is held by a competent or qualified person. Integrity is so rare 
among Bush appointees that integrity has been silenced.

That should concern all Americans. Even Republicans.

...


Paul Craig Roberts wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of 
the Treasury..... 


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Total information's black-out about Iraq
By: Zoraida on: 06.05.2007 [07:11 ] (300 reads)




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Nothing about US casualties, nothing about the Top Commander wounded or 
killed. The news are the same since one week: the dead of Top AlQaeda....

See the casualties

04-May-2007 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (south of) - Babil Hostile - hostile fire - 
IED attack

05-May-2007 ????????????????????????????

04 May 2007 ?????????????????????????

03-May-2007 7 | US: 7 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Sergeant Felix G. Gonzalez-Iraheta Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - 
hostile fire - small arms fire
US Private 1st Class John D. Flores Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - 
hostile fire - small arms fire
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Specialist Matthew T. Bolar Baghdad (eastern part) Hostile - hostile 
fire - IED attack
US 1st Lieutenant Colby J. Umbrell Musayyib - Babil Hostile - hostile fire - 
IED attack
US Specialist Andrew R. Weiss Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

02-May-2007 3 | US: 3 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Private 1st Class Katie M. Soenksen Baghdad (western part) Hostile - 
hostile fire - IED attack
US 1st Lieutenant Ryan P. Jones Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile 
fire - IED attack
US Specialist Astor A. Sunsin-Pineda Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - 
hostile fire - IED attack

01-May-2007 3 | US: 2 | UK: 1 | Other: 0
US Lance Corporal Johnathan E. Kirk Al Anbar Province Hostile - hostile fire
US Private 1st Class Zachary Gullett Baghdad Non-hostile
UK Major Nick Bateson Basra Air Station - Basrah Non-hostile - vehicle 
accident

Yes, once again the unleashed one of their well-known media-black-outs.

Also look at April 30th 2007 -> April the month with the highest casualty 
rate since 35 month and nearly 4 US soldiers dead a day - but for April 30th 
2007 US reports ZERO (!) fatalities.

Only an ignominous braindead assclown would believe in such sensational ZERO 
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THE ACTIONS OF THE U.S. TROOPS ARE ON THE PAR WITH THE SAVAGERY OF GENGHIZ 
KHAN, MAYBE U.S. TROOPS ARE EVEN BIGGER SAVAGES THAN GENGHIZ WAS! 




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 BOTH UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL HAVE SHOWN THE WORLD THAT THEIR CIVILIZED 
BEHAVIOR IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF GHENGIZ KHAN, PERHAPS IT IS EVEN MORE 
INCIVILIZED 




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 THE WHOLE WORLD NOW KNOWS THAT U.S. CRUSADERS ARE JUST AS BIG SAVAGES AS 
THE HUNS AND GHENGIZ WERE! 




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 IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT JUST HOW HATED U.S. IS GO TO THE STREETS OF EUROPE 
OR MIDDLE EAST AND TRY SPEWING YOUR "DEMOCRACY" SUPERIORITY CRAP THERE, AND 
SEE HOW LONG YOU WILL BE STANDING ON YOUR FEET! 




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 >> Eat shit you Croat antiAmerican/AntiGentile cocksuker! Go live in Israel
>> and get the Hell out of America.
>
> You are invited to make me.
THE DAY IS COMING WHEN AMERICA WILL GET RID OF ZIONAZI CRAP LIKE YOU! 




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> "DoD", this really has rather little to do with conservativism vs.
> liberalism.  I'm far more of a liberal than a conservative on most
> domestic issues, and TipeshD is hardly a conventional "liberal" (more
> like a hard-left radical).  I would be rather skeptical of a claim that
> all AirAmerica hosts are knee-jerk Israel-haters, and there are plenty
> of anti-Israeli conservatives (through Pat Buchanan and G.W. Bush's
> good buddy Grover Norquist, to James Baker).

SAVAGERY OF ISRAELIS IS HARD TO MATCH WITH ANY INVADERS FROM THE EAST AND 
WEST. THEY ARE ANIMALS THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HATED!

YOU DO NOT BUILD A "COUNTRY" BEHIND A WALL, IDIOT! 




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:23:17 EDT 2007
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 > Whatever, TipeshD -- involuted victimhood navel-gazing and refusal to
> take any responsibility for the negative consequences of their past
> actions can only take a group so far.  Eventually, they need to ask
> themselves "What can we do, in the situation in which we find
> ourselves RIGHT NOW,

THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND THEY ARE DOING IT VERY WELL, GETTING RID OF THE 
ZIONAZI CANCER IS THE DUTY OF EVERY HUMAN BEING 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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CROATIAN USTASHA KISSES THE ARSE OF ANOTHER 




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 >> Since when, has their ever been an organized March on Washington,
>> in order to protest the brutal, USA backed, Israeli military occupation?
>
> ????
>
> What are you talking about?
 YOU KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT ZIONAZI SAVAGES AND THEIR MASSACRES ARE 
NOT TALKED ABOUT IN USA. ABOUT TIME TO WAKE UP! 




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"Mirelle"  wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 1:35 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
>> http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=1281
>
> People around the world are joining together in a global Day of Action
> as "The World Says No to Israeli Occupation" to protest the 40th
> anniversary of Israel's illegal military occupation of the Palestinian
> West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, and Syrian Golan Heights.
> In the United States, thousands of people from all over the country
> will converge on Washington, DC from June 10-11, 2007 to send a clear
> message: The United States Says No to Israeli Occupation!
>
> We know that occupation is wrong. We see U.S. troops occupying Iraq,
> and we say no. We see Israeli troops and civilians occupying
> Palestinian land, and we say no again. Wrong in Iraq, wrong in
> Palestine.
>
> We in the United States have a special obligation to protest Israel's
> illegal military occupation because it is our government that provides
> Israel with the uncritical military, economic, diplomatic, and
> corporate support that it needs to sustain and expand its control of
> the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.
>
> If we do not protest, then we are complicit in the human rights abuses
> inflicted daily on Palestinians who are forced to live under Israel's
> brutal military occupation.  In its 40 years of military occupation of
> the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, Israel has killed
> thousands of Palestinians and injured tens of thousands; destroyed
> thousands of homes; uprooted hundreds of thousands of olive trees;
> built hundreds of illegal settlements on expropriated land; denied
> Palestinians their human rights to food, water, education,
> livelihoods, and health care, and imposed a system of checkpoints,
> walls and fences, road closures, military bases, barricades, sieges,
> and curfews that restrict freedom of movement and collectively punish
> the entire Palestinian population.
>
> Israel is committing these human rights violations with U.S. aid, in
> violation of the U.S. Arms Export Control and Foreign Assistance Acts.
> Every time Israel kills a Palestinian civilian with an F-16 fighter
> jet, Apache helicopter gunship, or Boeing JDAM missile, it is done
> with our taxpayer dollars in our name.  Every time Israel demolishes a
> Palestinian home with a Caterpillar bulldozer, it is done with our
> taxpayer dollars in our name.  Every time Israel steals Palestinian
> land to build another settlement, it is done with our taxpayer dollars
> in our name.
>
> And Israel's human rights violations of the Palestinian people are not
> limited to the Occupied Palestinian Territories.  Both in Israel and
> the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Palestinians are subjected to a
> system of apartheid. Inside Israel, Palestinian citizens are
> discriminated against and cannot exercise their full rights as
> citizens.  And Israel continues to deny Palestinian refugees, who were
> forcibly exiled from their homeland during Israel's establishment,
> their internationally guaranteed right of return.
>
> On the 40th anniversary of Israel's military occupation of the
> Palestinian West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, we will come
> together in Washington, DC to say "The United States Says No to
> Israeli Occupation" and to demand:
>
> * An end to US military, economic, diplomatic, and corporate support
> for Israel's illegal military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank,
> Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.
>
> * A change in US policy to one that supports a just peace between
> Palestinians and Israelis based on equality, human rights and
> international law, and the full implementation of all relevant UN
> resolutions.
>
> http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=1281
>
>
> Mirelle
Israeli savage criminals must be brought to justice in the Hague. They have 
killed ten times more innocent people than all the wars in the past ten 
years.

Particular  savagery is the killing of Palestinian children, where Israeli 
fascists use "dum-dum" bullets and compete with each other at seeing the 
child explode into thousand pieces 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> Since 9/11, many of us have wondered: Where are the moderate Muslims?

Muslims are one! and they will bury  all the enemies of Islam!

About 911: MUSLIMS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU BETTER ASK DOV ZAKHEIM 
ABOUT THAT ONE! 




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 STILL MISSING THE QUEER SON OF A WHORE? 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <%2d%h.48255$254.8555@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> Grow up. Embrace the resistance. There IS a national resistance. It will 
>> not
>> rest till Iraq - a unified Iraq, home to Shia, Sunni, Yazidi, Kurd, 
>> Turkmen,
>> Sabaean, Christian - is free and liberated.
>>
>
> Note Jews are not mentioned in this list. Yet Jews have lived in Iraq
> since time immemorial.
JEWS ARE SAVAGES, NO WONDER THEY DO NOT MENTION THEM 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> Beloved President
>>
>
>
> Still Alex loves Saddam.
YOU ILLITERATE MORON, READ THE ARTICLE, IT IS THE PICTURES OF BIN BUSH THAT 
WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PLASTERED ALL OVER INSTED THEY ENDED UP IN URINALS 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> THE ACTIONS OF THE U.S. TROOPS ARE ON THE PAR WITH THE SAVAGERY OF 
>> GENGHIZ
>> KHAN, MAYBE U.S. TROOPS ARE EVEN BIGGER SAVAGES THAN GENGHIZ WAS!
>
> Muslim militants cutting peoples heads off is civilised Alex?
 i hope they cut yours off! 




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"Lancelot Potresselli"  wrote in message 
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>I call for U.S. troops out. USE THE BOMB instead.
>
THAT WILL SOLVE MANY PROBLEMS, MOST ESPECIALLY SINCE THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE 
MANY MORE BOMBS THAN WE DO
>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> news:O7l%h.9027$F11.4585@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> THE ACTIONS OF THE U.S. TROOPS ARE ON THE PAR WITH THE SAVAGERY OF 
>> GENGHIZ
>> KHAN, MAYBE U.S. TROOPS ARE EVEN BIGGER SAVAGES THAN GENGHIZ WAS!
>>
>>
>
> 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
> news:O7l%h.9027$F11.4585@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> THE ACTIONS OF THE U.S. TROOPS ARE ON THE PAR WITH THE SAVAGERY OF 
>> GENGHIZ
>> KHAN, MAYBE U.S. TROOPS ARE EVEN BIGGER SAVAGES THAN GENGHIZ WAS! <
>
> Well, Ghengis Khan sure knew how to deal with Arabs! That's for sure.

HE KILLED THE JEWS, ALSOI 




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"LKYs Mother"  wrote in message 
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> When Israel was created Jews were not created.
IT NEVER WAS CREATED AND NEVER WILL BE

> So when Israel is dissolved Jews will not be killed.
 I DO NOT WISH ANYBODY DEAD BUT FUCKING JEWS HAVE FRIENDS ALL OVER THE PLACE 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 10:19 am, "LKYs Mother"  wrote:
>> When Israel was created Jews were not created.
>
> Liar Liar pants on fore.
>
>> So when Israel is dissolved Jews will not be killed.
>
> Israel will not be disolved
 IT IS FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS AS WE SPEAK 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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>> The news are the same since one week: the dead of Top AlQaeda....
>
> It was quite a coup for the Allies why should the papers not talk about
> it Alex?
 WHY DID THEY KILL BIN ADAM PEARLMAN? 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> Venceremos wrote:
>>> Disgraced British author David Irving was arrested and subsequently 
>>> jailed
>>> for illegally entering Austria and knowingly violating its law against
>>> attempts to revive National Socialism.
>>
>> THE BEST WAY TO PROPAGATE FASCISM IS TO OUTLAW IT!
>>
> Interesting point.  What the antisemites are too stupid to learn is that
>  the best way to get rid of Judaism is to accept Jews.  It happened in
> China - took about three generations.
Arabs have lived with Jews in peace for a millenium. It is Jews who chose to 
part company. Read my post about the Jew growing up in Cairo. There are 
thousands of Jews still living in the muslim countries who do not want to 
have anything withe Zionism.

And to this day thousands of Arab jews return on the pilgrimage to Arab 
lands where some of the oldest synagogues in the world are located. 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> Robert wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 May 2007 04:50:30 GMT, cactus  wrote:
>>
>>> Venceremos wrote:
>>>>> Disgraced British author David Irving was arrested and subsequently 
>>>>> jailed
>>>>> for illegally entering Austria and knowingly violating its law against
>>>>> attempts to revive National Socialism.
>>>> THE BEST WAY TO PROPAGATE FASCISM IS TO OUTLAW IT!
>>>>
>>> Interesting point.  What the antisemites are too stupid to learn is that
>>>  the best way to get rid of Judaism is to accept Jews.  It happened in
>>> China - took about three generations.
>>
>>   By the same token, anti Jew feeling could be eliminated if Jews
>> stopped demanding special status as victims.  BTW all Arabs are
>> Semites, most Jews today are of European descent.
>>
> I'm not sure I agree with the last statement. There are many Sephardic 
> Jews, who are not of European descent.

crap! Sephardic Jews are Arabs of Jewish faith, most of European Jews are 
Russians of Jewish faith, and do not forget that there would be no Sephardic 
Jew left alive if muslims did not help them get out of Spain 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> The violence and killing that Bush brought to Iraq has spread antagonism
>> between Sunni and Shiite throughout the Middle East with potentially
>> draconian consequences.
>>
 SAVAGE OCCUPIERS ARE SEBDING DEATH SQUADS TO KILL SUNNIS ONE DAY AND HIA 
THE NEXT, IN ORDER TO PROVOKE THE SECTARIAN CONFLICT, THEY DID THE SAME IN 
GUATEMALA AND AMERICA SUR! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.20a84c73f882d3cc989df9@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article <%2d%h.48255$254.8555@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >> Grow up. Embrace the resistance. There IS a national resistance. It 
>> >> will
>> >> not
>> >> rest till Iraq - a unified Iraq, home to Shia, Sunni, Yazidi, Kurd,
>> >> Turkmen,
>> >> Sabaean, Christian - is free and liberated.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Note Jews are not mentioned in this list. Yet Jews have lived in Iraq
>> > since time immemorial.
>> JEWS ARE SAVAGES, NO WONDER THEY DO NOT MENTION THEM
>>
 MUDEROUS SAVAGES, WHO ENJOY BLOWING UP THE LITTLE KIDS USING DUM-DUM ROUNDS 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.20a84c95f906ca91989dfa@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article ,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >> Beloved President
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Still Alex loves Saddam.
>> YOU ILLITERATE MORON, READ THE ARTICLE, IT IS THE PICTURES OF BIN BUSH 
>> THAT
>> WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PLASTERED ALL OVER INSTED THEY ENDED UP IN URINALS
>>
>>
>>
>
> I read what you wrote. You must be the only one that loves Saddam today
> except for his daughter.
SADDAM WAS A GENTLEMAN, CRAP WE GOT IS A COWARD! 




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"Cazador"  wrote in message 
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> On May 5, 8:29 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1178412477.831100.73790@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > DEBKAfile Exclusive: Ambitious Saudi-Egyptian-Kuwaiti plan for two
>> > bridges to span Gulf of Aqaba looms over free Israel's freedom of
>> > navigation
>>
>> > May 5, 2007, 1:42 PM (GMT+02:00)
>>
>> > Tiran Strait
>>
>> > One bridge across the Tiran Strait will span a distance of 25 km from
>> > the Saudi mainland at Ras el-Sheik Humayd to Tiran island; the second
>> > will carry traffic up to the Egyptian Sinai resort of Sharm el-Sheikh,
>> > becoming the first direct link between Arabia and Africa.
>> > DEBKAfile reports: Israel was not advised of the $3bn project or
>> > informed how international shipping in the Tiran Strait would be
>> > regulated - even though its military and economic interests are
>> > vitally affected.
>> > The Gulf of Aqaba through Tiran Strait is Israel's southern sea outlet
>> > to and from Eilat Port. International oil tankers put in at Eilat
>> > port, a link in the oil and gas pipeline to the Mediterranean port of
>> > Ashkelon and on from there to Europe and the Far East. It is also
>> > Israel's export route to the Far East.
>> > The 1967 Israel-Arab war flared when Egypt blockaded the Tiran Strait
>> > by deploying artillery batteries at Sharm el Sheik.
>> > DEBKAfile's military sources add further the double bridge will
>> > provide Saudi military units dry land access to the Sinai Peninsula
>> > and a presence on Israel's southern border.
>> > Next week, Saudi King Abdullah will lay the foundation stone for the
>> > project when he visits the northern military town of Tabuk. The Saudi-
>> > Egyptian-Kuwait consortium plans for the project to begin at once and
>> > be completed by 2012.
>> > The Saudis see the island of Tiran as the bustling hub of the project,
>> > the center of a future bridge authority that will regulate the traffic
>> > using the Saudi-Sinai bridges as well as controlling shipping traffic
>> > in and out of the Gulf of Aqaba up to Eilat.
>> > At present, the Israeli navy regularly inspects Tiran Island to
>> > prevent its use by terrorists including al Qaeda as a jumping off base
>> > for attacks on its merchant shipping through the Tiran Strait.
>> > New Egyptian military and naval units are to guard the bridges'
>> > terminal at Sharm el Sheik, while Saudi armored and air force units at
>> > the Tabuk base will secure the Arabian end.
>> > The project highlights the dynamic nature of Abdullah's reign in the
>> > oil kingdom. It contrasts sharply with Israel's strategic, military
>> > and economic stagnation in the last 15 years, during which investment
>> > in regional or even national development projects has shrunk to nil
>> > despite a financial boom.
>> > DEBKAfile's Middle East sources report that Egypt stands to gain
>> > enormously from the bridge link: Its Red Sea resort of Sharm el Sheik
>> > will boom as the focal point of expanded air, commercial and overland
>> > traffic between Africa and Arabia. Cairo foresees the Sinai hotel and
>> > tourist center growing into a future Marbella or Abu Dhabi.
>> > Eilat will have to fight harder than ever for a slice of the
>> > international tourist trade in the Red Sea region unless Israel pulls
>> > its socks up. At present, Israeli entrepreneurs are funneling
>> > investments into the purchase of real estate in Manhattan, Moscow and
>> > Bucharest for lack of Israeli government initiatives despite the
>> > country's financial prosperity.
>>
>> Cazador, this article opens many doors to peace. If Israelis play their
>> cards right they could be at the forefront of the biggest industrial boom 
>> in
>> Sinai. I have spent many happy days in Dahab, Sharm, and have always
>> wondered why didn't investors build plants there, with huge reserves of
>> labour available, ideal weather, and easy access to Europe and the world.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> I agree though Debka seems not sure whether there might be some
> nefarious purpose for the project. If the parties were in the habit of
> working together there wouldn't be any need for such dark suspicions.

Debka is a Mossad propaganda machine, they will find a fly in milk even if 
there is none.

The project of this nature is very good for Middle East, and Israelis better 
pull their socks up and put some money towards it. 




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"NefeshBarYochai"  wrote in message 
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> The beginning of wisdom and knowledge is to love the G-d of Israel
> with all your heart soul and mind.
>
> Amen Selah
JEWS HAVE NO MONOPOLY ON ALLAH, HE IS THE MOST INDEPENDENT RULER OF THE 
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A Soul Defying, Tacit Approval Of Torture: How Did We Come To This?


The pathology of American culture is as ubiquitous as its strip-mall 
ugliness. It is abundantly evident, in almost every aspect of contemporary 
life. From the predatory (to the point of psychopathic) practices of its 
morally scurvy pirates at the helm of the corporate/governmental ship of 
state, down to the pandemic enervation and proliferate anomie of its galley 
slaves languishing in their soulless cubicles -- from the genitalia-devoid 
mascots at Disney World to the genitalia-obsessed torturers of Abu Ghraib 
and Guantanamo -- the soul-sickness spreads before us like George W. Bush's 
taunting, executioner's smirk. - Phil Rockstroh


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By Phil Rockstroh
29 September, 2006
Countercurrents.org

"True sanity entails in one way or another the dissolution of the normal 
ego, that False Self competently adjusted to our alienated social reality 
... and through this death a rebirth, the ego now being the servant of the 
divine, no longer its betrayer." ?R. D. Laing

The pathology of American culture is as ubiquitous as its strip-mall 
ugliness. It is abundantly evident, in almost every aspect of contemporary 
life. From the predatory (to the point of psychopathic) practices of its 
morally scurvy pirates at the helm of the corporate/governmental ship of 
state, down to the pandemic enervation and proliferate anomie of its galley 
slaves languishing in their soulless cubicles -- from the genitalia-devoid 
mascots at Disney World to the genitalia-obsessed torturers of Abu Ghraib 
and Guantanamo -- the soul-sickness spreads before us like George W. Bush's 
taunting, executioner's smirk.

Ronnie Laing's profound dictum leaves us confronting many poignant questions 
regarding the true nature of the psychic lives of us so-called ordinary 
citizens of The United States of America and our ability to function within 
this corrupt and crumbling empire. In short, is it sane to be able to adapt 
to an insane culture?

Moreover, it begs the following question. If an individual?s conformity to 
group, cultural, and national pathology is rewarded -- thereby encouraging 
the formation of the "False Self? -- how might one, stranded within the 
dysfunctional dynamic, resist it all and begin to work towards an awareness 
of their own essential nature, then perhaps arriving at an individual 
reckoning involving how to live, flourish, and subvert the life defying 
demands of the present era.

First off, what engenders the formation of the False Self? Laing grasped: 
When we were children, authority, in the form of parents, educators, clergy, 
loomed before us. Alternatively menacing and comforting, these powerful 
figures could just as easily have crushed us as comforted us.

Tragically, all too often, they perpetrated the primary. Hence, to 
accommodate the overwhelming demands of authority, we learned how to curry 
favor from these baffling, seemingly implacable forces by the creation of a 
cipher persona, a False Self, a tricky and/or obsequious, tap-dancing, 
little apple polisher, who strives to garner approval and acceptance, 
thereby avoiding punishment, rejection and scorn, by means of the reflexive 
subjugation of his true nature.

The victims of False Self adaptation are the quintessence of the 
corporate/consumer citizen. Although, they're presence is far from benign: 
While they are compelled to show an agreeable face towards unyielding 
authority, this trope merely serves to mask a mind seething with misplaced 
resentments and shallow subterfuge. Doesn?t this read like a personality 
profile of Condoleezza Rice or any other member of that present day 
Executive Office cast of Lord of the Flies known as the Bush administration?

This process of metaphysical identity theft begins in childhood. Then, as 
now, the presence of individuality-decimating authority can create 
irreconcilable anxieties within us, because the actions and activities of 
authority figures seem as overwhelming and unpredictable as nature itself.

Now add this to the already haunted landscape of childhood -- our present 
day government?s campaigns of perpetual fear mongering, plus the dominate 
corporate culture's modus operandi of commercial exploitation -- and we?re 
left with one freaked out populace ? one comprised of both children and 
alleged adults.

Consequently, this fear-ridden existence has rendered us a society of 
grotesques: In the present day United States, children have grown as fat as 
steroid-fed, corporate-farmed livestock; this has transpired because we 
overfeed them a diet consisting of steroid-fed, corporate-farmed 
livestock -- as well as ? myriad other variations of nutrient-devoid, 
calorie-laden faux food dispensed at a mall's food court, through a 
drive-thru window, or out of a cardboard box delivered by a franchised junk 
food chain.

Our motives for doing this shouldn?t be a mystery to us: We habitually 
shovel high fat, high carbohydrate, high sugar-content junk into their 
grousing gobs, in a desperate, futile attempt to stuff down the boredom, the 
anxiety, the lassitude they suffer due to their confinement inside the 
commercially branded, repressed, empty, holographic facsimile of childhood 
we have created for them.

This is the reason why our children overeat like neurotic domestic pets. As 
is the case with housebound, bored, anxious domestic animals, what do they 
have to look forward to -- but dinner? Accordingly, the corporate food 
industry provides plenty (at a bloated profit, of course) of junk food --  
the table scraps fallen from the table of the ruling elite of our fat-ass 
empire ? in order to keep them (and all the rest of us) obese, obedient, and 
anxiously waiting by our master's table for more.

And these proto-fascist, behavioral control tricks are not just for kids. 
Corporate Capitalism has left us Americans psychologically arrested in a 
pathetic simulacrum of childhood where our inchoate fears of being preyed 
upon by our (so called) protectors (who we internally and accurately 
recognize as monsters) are displaced into compulsive consumerism (including 
overeating) and a reflexive fear of outsiders.

If we were to awaken to this subterfuge, we would apprehend: Our individual 
uniqueness is being robbed from us on a daily basis due to our enslavement 
to a mindless system that lives for no other reason than it lives -- a 
system that eats its fatted young (giving new meaning to the term consumer 
economy) -- and exists only to perpetuate itself -- a system that has become 
a soul-devouring monster -- the embodiment of Alan Ginsburg?s Moloch.

Why do we accept this soul defying situation? For most of us, the price we 
would have to pay for confronting authority would be far too prohibitive; 
hence, we learn it is acceptable (as well as politically useful to our power 
mad leaders) to displace our anger and fear upon outsiders. Ergo, the 
so-called Clash of Civilizations is unloosed and slouches, by way of the 
Washington Beltway, to Iraq, Iran and beyond to be born.

This is the manner that we as a society came to believe we can ?compromise? 
on acts of torture committed in our name and not fear the loss of our souls 
as a result of our complicity. Although, the loss of our national soul would 
only prove redundant: Years ago, we decided our souls, both individual and 
national, were somewhat less than useful to us ? and not nearly as 
compelling as a new widescreen, plasma TV and the like -- hence they were 
discarded into the reeking landfills of this toxic country like an old 
appliance.

These actions are what the corporate/military/consumer empire demands of us: 
For it does not take long for us to learn which aspects of our personalities 
are accepted and rewarded, and, conversely, which ones will be punished and 
scorned. In essence, the roles we?re expected to play in exchange for being 
loved, fed, clothed, and sheltered.

This exchange insures us that we're given a "safe" place within the 
community -- not cast out into the wilderness and fed to the wolves. This 
fear is not an outrageous fantasy: It is, in fact, a primal memory. Due to 
the fact, numerous forms of infanticide were once common practices in nearly 
all cultures, including the act of abandoning outcast children to die in the 
wilderness.

Moreover, this knowledge still lingers within our psyches, where the 
memories of such terrors still howl just beyond the tree line of our waking 
awareness, instilling within us the terror of ridicule, of failure, of being 
ostracized. Far too many of us succumb to these fears and begin playing the 
roles circumscribed by their families, communities, and cultures. 
Tragically, their true selves, for all practical purposes, were smothered in 
their cribs.

In itself, the False Self, as well as other varieties of habitual 
self-centeredness, is a variety of imprisonment. The world is spread before 
the cell of the self, yet we prisoners cannot leave the confines of our 
small, self-involved anxieties; therein, mind, heart and imagination become 
atrophied by a lack of experience, empathy and spontaneity. The bars of the 
cage might be invisible, yet the sense of confinement is palpable across our 
corporatized culture. Ergo, a collective numbness and apathy levels upon the 
land ? and ultimately our desensitization to genocide and torture.

To begin to free oneself from the bondage of the False Self, one must become 
aware of one?s own fraudulence. That being: the awareness of one's desperate 
machinations before exploitive authority.

Self-knowledge can provide us with a point of entry to the act of empathy. 
Yes, even extending it towards one as loathsome as George W. Bush. Years 
ago, the sorry ass son of bitch put on a mask (its contours, both menacing 
and ridiculous) in a vain attempt to shield himself from being crushed by 
power. Imagine having his parents: that soulless cipher of a father and 
blood-freezing Medusa of a mother. Try to imagine the psychological carnage 
involved. It?s the same trauma we experience daily due to our own 
powerlessness against the dictates of the corporate state and its threats, 
both implied and overt, to cast us into the howling wilderness of financial 
ruin, poverty, and homelessness.

(A caveat: The proffering empathy to Dick Cheney would be pushing the 
parameters of empathy to the breaking point: Upon being subjected to 
Cheney's glowering, reptilian aura, even Mahatma Ghandi would be reaching 
for a pair of brass knuckles.)

Even in this fear-ridden era, there are some among us -- types such as 
non-conformists, creative thinkers, and artists -- who welcome (rather than 
cower before) the metaphorical wolves (that are recognized, each to each, as 
fellow outcasts). Instead of being eaten by the wolves, they are suckled and 
raised by them.

Nourished by their outsider status, the creative spirit thrives when freed 
>from the constraints of a mindless adherence to groupthink. The dark terrain 
of societal abandonment becomes their natural habitat: they howl at the 
moon; they reject the daylight world of bland consensus; they learn to see 
in the dark, apprehending their own interior darkness and, as a result, gain 
an understanding into the hearts of darkness beating within those in power.

The wilderness of political activism, of poetry, of art becomes their home: 
they don't clean-up nicely for polite company; they don't let themselves be 
bred down (as a few domesticated wolves did) to yapping Toy Poodles, in 
exchange for a few food scraps.

Yes, when you?re looking at a Toy Poodle -- you're looking at a former wolf, 
as when your looking at the corporate press corps, you?re looking at folks 
whose ancestors long ago were journalists.

One moment, you're loping through the woods, snout held high, smelling the 
scent of fresh game on the wind, then the next thing you know -- you're 
being led around on a leash and collar, encrusted with tacky rhinestones and 
you're salivating at the sound of an electric can-opener. One moment, you're 
a child, entranced in play, hardwired to eternity -- the next thing you 
know, you're sitting at work and your passions, hopes, and yearnings have 
been shrunk down to Toy Poodle-sized agendas ... You're truckling for your 
boss's approval; you're counting the minutes until break time, when you can 
devour some junk food. Like a domesticated pet, or an unfortunate animal 
incarcerated in a zoo, you are no longer a noble animal ? you?re a Thing 
That Waits For Lunch.

To resist, we must cast off the fear of being an outcast. I remain hopeful: 
There is yet a molecule or two of the wild wolf left within us cringing, 
cloying Toy Poodles.

One must always remember this: We human beings are of nature too. 
Accordingly, within us lies an indomitable self, encoded with the grace and 
fury of the natural world, and, if acknowledged and respected, it will 
awaken and arise. Then the real dogfight begins: The fur will fly, as we 
fight, fang and claw, to retake our own essential natures, and, by 
extension, begin the struggle to restore health, imagination and empathy to 
a nation of cage-accepting, torture-countenancing sick puppies.
__________________
Phil Rockstroh, a self-described, auto-didactic, gasbag monologist, is a 
poet, lyricist and philosopher bard living in New York City. He may be 
contacted at: philangie2000@yahoo.com.




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Afghan soldier kills 2 U.S. troops

The Associated Press

Article Launched: 05/06/2007 11:07:18 AM PDT


KABUL, Afghanistan- An Afghan soldier shot and killed two U.S. soldiers and 
wounded two more outside a top-security prison near Kabul Sunday, a U.S. 
military spokesman said.
The gunman was shot dead by other Afghan troops at Pul-e-Charkhi prison, 20 
miles east of Kabul, said Maj. Sheldon Smith, a spokesman for the Combined 
Security Transition Command, a body that trains and mentors Afghan security 
forces.

The Americans were providing external security for the prison when they were 
shot, Smith said. U.S. and Afghan authorities were trying to determine the 
motive for the attack, he said.

"All indications are" that the shooter was a member of the Afghan National 
Army, Smith said.

"The ANA are our partners here and they are working side-by-side with us in 
conducting this investigation," Smith said.


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12 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq attacks

By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer

19 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - A roadside explosion outside the Iraqi capital on Sunday killed 
six American soldiers and a civilian journalist, the military said, among 12 
U.S. troop deaths reported on a day when two car bombs killed at least 44 
Iraqis at a Baghdad market and a police headquarters.

A car bomb in the capital, where U.S.-led forces are in the midst of a 
crackdown on sectarian violence, killed at least 30 Iraqis. At the police 
headquarters in Samarra, a volatile city in the Sunni heartland 60 miles 
north of Baghdad, a car bomb and shooting attack killed 12 police - 
including the police chief.

American soldiers racing to the headquarters to help also came under attack 
by small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades that left two soldiers 
wounded, the military said.

Dozens of al-Qaida linked insurgents - some wearing masks and carrying video 
cameras and black banners - also paraded through the streets in Samarra, 
arriving in about 40 cars, in a show of force against the U.S.-Iraqi efforts 
to tame the Tigris River city.

It was a bombing in Samarra that devastated the golden dome of the Shiite 
mosque on Feb. 22, 2006, that has been blamed for setting off a cycle of 
retaliatory sectarian violence that U.S.-Iraqi forces are struggling to 
curb.

Roadside bombings proved deadly for U.S. forces on Sunday. One in Diyala 
province killed six Task Force Lightning soldiers and a journalist 
accompanying them. Three soldiers were killed in separate roadside 
bombings - two others on Sunday and one on Friday, the military said.

Two Marines were killed Saturday in combat in Anbar province, a Sunni 
insurgent stronghold west of Baghdad, the military said, and a soldier died 
Sunday in a non-combat related incident.

The deaths raised to at least 3,373 members of the U.S. military who have 
died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated 
Press count.

Britain on Sunday said one of its soldiers died of injuries from a Thursday 
roadside bomb in the southern city of Basra.

The market blast Sunday erupted about noon in the mixed Sunni-Shiite Baiyaa 
neighborhood and devastated the area, reducing cars and trucks to their 
charred skeletons and ripping the roofs and exteriors off shops. In addition 
to the dead, dozens of others were injured.

Blood pooled in the dirt streets. Hospital officials said two pickup trucks 
filled with body parts were brought to the morgue.

"I was waiting near a shop to lift some boxes, when I saw the owner of the 
shop fall down," said Satar Hussein, 22, a worker in the market. "I helped 
him inside the shop, but he was already dead. The next thing I felt was pain 
in my left shoulder and some people rushing me to the hospital."

Ali Hamid, 25, the owner of a food store, said he was selling boxes of Pepsi 
when he was hit with shrapnel in his hand.

"I fainted, and the next thing I remember is some people putting me in a 
pickup with two dead bodies and rushing me to the hospital," he said, 
condemning the attack as "a terrorist act aiming at creating more sectarian 
tension and strife."

No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attack in Baiyaa, the 
scene of frequent sectarian violence including a bombing and mortar attack 
last week that killed seven people.

U.S. and Iraqi forces raided the Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City early 
Sunday, uncovering a weapons cache including powerful roadside bombs that 
have been linked to Iran, a torture room and killing at least eight 
insurgents in a gunbattle, the military said.

U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said the target was a 
Shiite extremist cell that was helping to smuggle explosively formed 
penetrators, or EFPs, which are capable of piercing armored vehicles.

"Intelligence reports indicate that the secret cell had ties to a kidnapping 
network that conducts attacks within Iraq as well as interactions with rogue 
elements throughout Iraq and into Iran," he said.

In one of the buildings they searched, the forces uncovered a large cache of 
weapons, including more than 150 mortar rounds, and a torture room, replete 
with several sets of handcuffs and a mask, he said. Soldiers decided to 
destroy the building rather than risk moving the explosives and accidentally 
setting them off, he said.

"The extensive damage it would have done in killing innocent civilians in 
Sadr City would have been horrific," he said.

Footage taken by AP Television News, showed the building reduced to piles of 
brick and rubble.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070503185490;_ylt=AnqMlW3yGp8k_yJANsXITk1g.3QA




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Bombs kill 8 U.S. troops, journalist in Iraq

By Ibon Villelabeitia and Dean Yates
11 minutes ago



BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Eight American soldiers were killed in Iraq on Sunday, 
including six who died along with a European journalist in a roadside bomb 
attack north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

In a statement, the military said the deadliest incident took place in 
volatile Diyala province. It said the bomb hit a vehicle that the soldiers 
and the journalist were travelling in.

U.S. military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Garver said the 
journalist was European and worked for a news organization that did not have 
a permanent presence in Baghdad. He declined to give more information.

Many foreign reporters have been embedding with U.S. military units during a 
U.S.-backed security crackdown in and around Baghdad that began in February.

The attack in Diyala, where the U.S. military recently sent around 1,000 
reinforcements to fight entrenched al Qaeda militants and Sunni Arab 
insurgents, was one of the worst single attacks against U.S. forces in 
months.

Two other U.S. soldiers were killed in separate bomb attacks on Sunday, the 
military said, including one in Baghdad.

Earlier, a car bomb killed 35 people and wounded 80 next to a crowded market 
in a Shi'ite district of Baghdad which has been a repeated target of attacks 
blamed on Sunni Islamist al Qaeda.

Bystanders used blankets to carry the dead and wounded to pick-up trucks. 
The blast tore off shopfronts and destroyed cars.

"What did these innocent people do to get killed in a car bomb? Where is the 
government? Where is security? Let the government come and see this 
situation," said one man, angrily gesticulating at the scene.

U.S. and Iraqi forces launched the security crackdown in Baghdad three 
months ago. The push, bolstered by 30,000 extra U .S. troops expected to be 
in place by June 1, has reduced sectarian killings, but car bombs still 
plague the city.

U.S. forces also killed up to 10 militants and destroyed a torture room in 
Baghdad's Sadr City, a bastion of the Mehdi Army militia of anti-American 
Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

American commanders said the predawn raid, on suspected members of a cell 
known for smuggling sophisticated bombs from Iran, found 150 mortar bombs in 
the same building as the torture room and troops destroyed them in a 
controlled blast.

North of the capital, two suicide car bombers attacked police positions in 
the city of Samarra, killing 10 people, including Samarra's police 
commander, officials said. They said 15 people were wounded. Most of the 
victims were police.

Suspected al Qaeda militants blew up a Shi'ite shrine in Samarra in 2006, 
unleashing a wave of sectarian violence that has killed thousands and driven 
Iraq to the brink of civil war.

U.S. President George W. Bush's troop "surge" is seen as a last-ditch effort 
to stop Iraq sliding into all-out civil war between majority Shi'ites and 
once-dominant Sunnis.

The offensive aims to give Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki time to 
push through power-sharing laws aimed at reconciling Iraq's warring sects 
and communities.

(Additional reporting by Aseel Kami and Ahmed Rasheed)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070506/ts_nm/iraq_dc_66




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"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
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> "Matthew Kern"  wrote in message 
> news:8ses33dsiqtan91go5ak31j4e4ccat0lll@4ax.com...
>> On 20 Mar 2007 20:54:19 -0700, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 20, 10:57 pm, "zr"  wrote:
>>>> Lord Conrad Black isn't Jewish, nor were his partners.
>>>> Your post shows your ignorance once again.
>>>>
>>> Someone who owns jerusalem Post, and belongs to Hudson Institute, is
>>>Jewish enough for me even if he goes to Mass every Sunday
>>
>> Black [Schwartz] has a wife, Barbara Amiel who is a real ZYD momma, plus 
>> all
>> his partners are admitted Jews!!
>
> Wow! Jesus and his crowd were "admitted" Jews.
 what did jesus have to do with the zionazi savages? 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: SIMPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT 911, WHICH NEVER GET5 ANSWERED
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'I am a professional philosopher who has spent 35 years teaching logic, 
critical thinking and scientific reasoning,'' group co-founder and 
University of Minnesota professor James H. Fetzer told me. ``When I come to 
9/11, it's not hard for me to determine what is going on. This is a 
scientific question. And it is so elementary that I don't think you can find 
a single physicist who could disagree with the idea that this was a 
controlled demolition.''

The group asks, for example,

? How did a fire fed by jet fuel, which at most burns at 1,700 degrees 
Fahrenheit, cause the collapse of the Twin Towers, built of steel that melts 
at 2,800 degrees? (Most experts agree that the impact of airliners, made 
mostly of lightweight aluminum, should not have been enough alone to cause 
structural failure.) How could a single planeload of burning jet fuel --  
most of which flared off in the initial fireball -- cause the South World 
Trade Center tower to collapse in just 56 minutes?

? Why did building WTC-7 fall, though no aircraft struck it? Fire alone had 
never before caused a steel skyscraper to collapse.

? Why did all three buildings collapse largely into their own footprints --  
in the style of a controlled demolition?

? Why did no U.S. military jet intercept the wayward aircraft?

? Why has there been no investigation of BBC reports that five of the 
alleged 9/11 hijackers were alive and accounted for after the event?

Our current probe-ophobia is due in part to the political landscape: When 
one party holds all the cards, any call to investigate an alleged abuse of 
power or cover-up -- no matter how valid -- will look like a partisan 
vendetta. Those in power never want to investigate themselves.

Maybe that's politics; he who holds the hammer drives the nails. But the 
outrage of 9/11 transcends party affiliation.

We need all the outstanding questions answered -- wherever the chips may 
fall.
_______________________________

Email to: rsteinback@MiamiHerald.com.




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 wrote in message news:Xls%h.1754$vX4.58@trnddc05...
> My husband does nto post to Usenet.
> The racist sleazebag is neither Gary Rumain, nor even Jewish.
> I see that he has still not learned from having been TOS'd every
> time he does this.
>
> Susan
 Fuck off Suzy, you do not have a husband! 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
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>>From the Mind of the 'Commander Guy'
>
>
> Keep digging Caz.. Hopefully you will be digging your own grave soon... 
> Your legacy to America is bigotry...

Look who is talking, a Croatian Ustasha lecturing about the bigotry!!! That 
is laugh! Have you ever heard about Jasenovac? Do you know what happened 
there? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
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>> On May 6, 1:36 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1178432811.317291.327230@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >From the Mind of the 'Commander Guy'
>>>
>>> Keep digging Caz.. Hopefully you will be digging your own grave soon... 
>>> Your
>>> legacy to America is bigotry... What a legacy to leave your own 
>>> country..
>>> ::: puke:::
>>
>> But you didn't even have time to read it.
>
> Until you go back and defend yourself against Deborah, Hillel and my 
> arguments, I have no need to respond to any bullshit you post.
 WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE TAKE YOUR CRAP SERIOUSLY? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
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> Cazador  is definately not a moralist.
WHY? DID HE SHOOT HER BETWEEN THE EYES? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
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>> On May 6, 1:23 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1178431719.957327.165650@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > On May 6, 1:05 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> >> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:1178430701.697235.164640@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> Cazador  is definately not a moralist.
>>>
>>> > Of course not. It's the web site's motto. You really should read more.
>>>
>>> You should post less.
>>
>> Your level of comfort in this matter is not of concern to me.
>
> Nothing to do with my comfort level.. Bigots like you come and go on this 
> newsgroup, you are nothing new, and certainly there have been others that 
> were more creative in the past.
 AND AGAIN THIS CREATURE CALLS  SOMEONE ELSE A BIGOT! 




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 wrote in message 
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>> > You should post less.
>
> On May 5, 11:49 pm, Cazador  wrote:
>> Your level of comfort in this matter is not of concern to me.
>
> You should post less, for your own good.
>
> Since you are a lawyer, I'll explain it to you in lawyers' terms.
> Every powerful lawyer has behind him people who research
> cases.  They check the data, help with the depositions, look
> for court cases that support their boss interpretation of the
> law, and some even collect data the as private investigators.
> Great performance in the court room is the result
> of good preparation.
>
> Lawyers with less money don't have such a support staff,
> they have to do a lot of the "dirty" work themselves.  Some
> of them take less cases, some of them cut corners and
> "fake it", trying to scare the other side by making the
> impression that they have the facts, and the law, so
> he better settle.
>
> When a faker meets somebody who has the facts,
> and the law, on their side the result is ugly.  That's
> what happened to you.
>
> E.g. Deir Yassin was well researched.  There are
> volumes of data.  You did not read them because
> you tried to fake it.  But you run into Deborah who
> actually read the data, and debated it at least
> five time while I was around.  The result is so
> ugly because she knows what she is talking
> about, and you don't.
>
> So, for your own good, in this forum, stop faking it.
> Post less and research more.  Buy several good
> books about the subject and understand it.  Even
> if you reject the "official" history, at least
> understand what you reject.
>
> Hillel                           hillelg123@yahoo.com
 I can recomend couple of them to resolve the problems behind the Zionist 
massacre of the innocents at Deir Yassin. Alfred M Lillienthal;s "The 
Zionist Connection" has most of the answers. In fact it has all the data 
necessary to determine that Holo---whatever did happen to the Russian people 
when Jewish Commissars slaughtered 100 million Russians 




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On May 6, 6:33 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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>
> > The whole problem is that US does not want Iran to be able to defend
> itself
> > from Israel, so that Israel remains a dominant power over whole ME with
> > their 200 plus nukes!<
>
> As long as this IRanian regime does not recognize Israel's right to exist,
> and threatens to wipe it out, it has reasons to worry.

If China established a new state on say  Aleutian Islands, would we
threaten its existence or would we simply accept its existence because
China has nukes.

(Actually, this a possibility, because United States will never be
able to repay billions owed to China, so they will probably settle for
owning California)

You have to remember that when Argentina defaulted about 20 years ago,
Patagonias ownership was transfered to its creditors



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ohann Hari: The real scandal at the World Bank
The Bank is killing thousands of the poorest people in the world
Published: 26 April 2007

While the world's press has been fixated on the teeny-weeny scandal over 
whether the World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz helped to get his girlfriend 
a $300,000-a-year gig next door, they have been ignoring the rancid stench 
of a far bigger scandal wafting from Wolfie's Washington offices.

This slo-mo scandal isn't about apparent petty corruption in DC. It's about 
how Wolfowitz's World Bank is killing thousands of the poorest people in the 
world, and knowingly worsening our worst crisis - global warming - every 
day.

Let's start with the victims. Meet Hawa Amadu, 70-something, living in the 
muddy slums of Accra, the capital of Ghana, and trying to raise her 
grandkids as best she can. Hawa has a problem - a massive problem - and the 
World Bank put it there. She can't afford water or electricity any more. 
Why? The World Bank threatened to refuse to lend any more money to her 
government, which would effectively make it a leper to governmental donors 
and international business, unless it stopped subsidising the cost of these 
necessities. The subsidies stopped. The cost doubled. Now Hawa goes thirsty 
so her grandchildren can drink, and weeps: "Am I supposed to drink air?"

She is not alone. Half a world away, in Bolivia, Maxima Cari - a mother - is 
also thirsty. "The World Bank took away my right to clean water," she 
explains. In 1997 the World Bank demanded the Bolivian government privatise 
the country's water supply. So Maxima couldn't afford it any more. Now she 
has to use dirty water from a well her villagers dug. This dirty water is 
making her children sick, and she is sullen. "I wash my children weekly," 
Maxima says. "Sometimes there's only enough water to wash their hands and 
faces, not their whole body ... This is not a nice way to live." The newly 
elected socialist government of Evo Morales is planning to take the water 
back - and he is, of course, condemned and threatened by the World Bank.

Meet some more victims. I have met hundreds, from Africa to Latin America to 
the Middle East. Muracin Claircin is a rice farmer in Haiti - only he can't 
grow rice any more. In 1995, the World Bank demanded Haiti drop all 
restrictions on imports. The country was immediately flooded with rice from 
the US, which has been lavishly subsidised by the US government. The Haitian 
government barely exists and can't offer rival subsidies anyway: the World 
Bank forbids it. So now Muracin is jobless and his family are starving.

Some 5,000 miles away, Charles Avaala in Ghana is watching his tomatoes rot. 
He used to grow them for a government-owned community tomato cannery that 
provided employment for his entire community. The World Bank ordered his 
government to close it down, and to open the country's markets to 
international competition. Now he can't compete with the subsidy-fattened 
tomatoes from Europe. He, too, is starving.

How would Hawa and Maxima and Muracin and Charles feel if you told them none 
of this is considered a scandal, but business as usual?

These victims are not merely an anecdote soup; they are an accurate summary 
of the World Bank's effect on the poor. Don't take my word for it. The World 
Bank's own Independent Evaluation Group just found that barely one in ten of 
its borrowers experienced persistent growth between 1995 and 2005 - a much 
smaller proportion than those who stagnated or slid deeper into poverty. The 
bank's own former chief economist, Nobel Prize-winner Joseph Stiglitz, says 
this approach "has condemned people to death... They don't care if people 
live or die."

Why? Why would a body that claims to help the poor actually thrash them? 
Because its mission to end poverty has always been mythical. As George 
Monbiot explains in his book The Age of Consent, the World Bank was created 
in the 1940s by US economist Henry Dexter White to be a further projection 
of US power. The bank's head is invariably American, the bank is based in 
Washington, and the US has a permanent veto on policies. It does not promote 
a sensible mix of markets and state action - the real path to development. 
No: the World Bank pursues the interests of US corporations over the poor, 
every time.

The bank's staff salve their consciences by pickling themselves in an 
ideology - neoliberalism - that says there is never a conflict between 
business rights and human rights. If it's good for Shell, it must be good 
for poor people - right?

This ideology also backfires on us in the rich world. In 2000, the World 
Bank was finally forced to undertake a review of its energy policies. It did 
its best to rig it, putting the former energy minister of the 
corporation-licking Indonesian dictator General Suharto in charge. Emil 
Salim was even serving on the board of a coal company at the time he was 
appointed. But - to everyone's astonishment - Salim concluded by opposing 
the carbon-pumping oil and gas projects that make up 94 per cent of all the 
bank's energy projects. He said they should be stopped altogether by 2008.

The bank's response? It ignored its own report and carried on warming. The 
business climate, it seems, trumps the actual climate. Feel the heat.

While the elites huff and puff about Wolfowitz's alleged small corruption 
and ignore his organisation's proven immense corruption, there is something 
we - ordinary citizens - can do. In the summer of 2001, at the global 
justice protests in Genoa, I met Dennis Brutus, a former inmate of Robben 
Island prison alongside Nelson Mandela. He had been repelled by the bank's 
actions in South Africa, and started his protests against them by asking a 
very basic question: who owns the World Bank? It turns out we do. Ordinary 
people in the West - through their trade unions, churches, town councils, 
universities and private investments - own it. The bank raises nearly all 
its funds by issuing bonds on the private market. They are often held by 
socially minded institutions, the kind who signed up to Make Poverty 
History. So, Brutus realised, we have a simple power: to sell the bonds and 
bankrupt the World Bank. "We need to break the power of the World Bank over 
developing countries just as the disinvestment movement helped break the 
power of the apartheid regime in South Africa," he explained.

The campaign to make World Bank bonds as untouchable as apartheid-era 
investments has already begun. The cities of San Francisco, Boulder, Oakland 
and Berkeley have sold theirs. Several US unions have also joined. Even this 
small ripple has caused anxiety within the bank about the threat to its 
"AAA" bond rating.

In the Genoa sun, as tear gas fired by the Italian police hissed in the 
background, Brutus told me: "I lived to see the death of political 
apartheid. Now I want to live to see the end of global financial apartheid."

This is the fight we should join. Not some petty squabble over which 
Washington technocrat is morally pure enough to lead the forces of 
subsidy-slashing and starvation.

j.hari@ independent.co.uk


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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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>> "DoD"  wrote in message
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>> > Since 9/11, many of us have wondered: Where are the moderate Muslims?
>>
>> Muslims are one! and they will bury  all the enemies of Islam!<
>
> Islam is disintegrating.

That is a laugh
>
>
>
>>
>> About 911: MUSLIMS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU BETTER ASK DOV ZAKHEIM
>> ABOUT THAT ONE!
>>
>>
>
>
>
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"snakehawk"  wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 12:33 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>
>> Since 9/11, many of us have wondered: Where are the moderate Muslims? If
>> they are out there, why are we not hearing more, and getting more help, 
>> from
>> them in the fight against our common foe - the totalitarian Islamists?
>
> Who's fighting against "totalitarian Islamists?"  Certainly not the
> United States.  The United States is closely allied with the
> totlitarian states of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, the UAE, Kuwait, and
> Jordan.   Have you and all the rest of the hopelessly muddle-minded
> propaganda dupes in the United States forgotten that America's Muslims
> allies in the Middle East are monarchies and not democracies?
>
> So who is the United States fighting?  Well, it seems that Iraq was an
> emerging democracy.  Recently, a Shiite Judge presiding over the
> charade that was the trial of Saddam, blurted out in open court that
> Saddam wasn't a dictator.  What a surprise.  And if we dig a little,
> we find that Iraq was the most westernized of the Middle Eastern
> states; religious clerics were powerless, Iraqis could travel freely,
> women had more rights, and even the judiciary was independent.  Bush
> and his Jewish planners managed to destroy all that.
>
> And the United States, led by Jewish warmongers through the idiot
> puppet George Bush, is now threatening Iran, an Islamic parliamentary
> democracy, threatening Syria, an Islamic parliamentary democracy,
> siding with Israel against Lebanon, another islamic parliamentary
> democracy.  And the United State nodded its approval when the Israelis
> arrested the elected officials in Palestine--another Islamic
> parliamentary democracy.  The United States, it seems, won't tolerate
> anything except totalitarian regimes in the Middle East.
>
> Maybe the moderate Muslims are waiting for the United States to break
> the strangle-hold the Jews seem to have on US foreign policy. Maybe
> the moderate Muslims are waiting for the people of the United States
> to come to their senses.  Then they will step forward to assist in
> bringing peace to the Middle East and to the United States--after the
> Jews have been deported from Washington.

Thank you for your lucidity! I wish more people would see US for what it 
really is. US has supported dictators, killers, and even plane hijackers for 
half a century. Case in question is the hijack organizer and murderer of 
about 40 people, who is now a welcome guest of United States 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Cazador"  wrote in message 
> news:1178432277.869229.312410@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 6, 12:48 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>>> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1178429889.822675.229910@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> The pro-israel lobby. The debate between James Petras and Norman
>>> Finkelstein
>>>
>>> Frankenfinkel is an idiot. And you are a bigot...Nuff said. Quit 
>>> polluting
>>> America... If you want to be a bigot, go to Europe. The land of the free 
>>> and
>>> the home of the brave has no time for kkk leftovers like yourself.
>>
>> Raul Hilberg,
>
> Big deal....
 Hrvatska will take you back, and stick a flourescent tube up your arse in 
true American tradition! 




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 wrote in message 
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> On May 5, 10:38 pm, Cazador  wrote:
>> The pro-israel lobby. The debate between James Petras and Norman
>> Finkelstein
>> Intifada. Hosted and produced by Hagit Borer for the SWANA (South and
>> West Asia and North Africa) Collective of KPFK
>> ::       04.16.2007
>
> Unsourced (as usual) article from Funkenstein's personal website at:
> www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=978
>
> Hagit Borer
> Professor, Linguistics Department
> University of Southern California
> http://www.senatecourseguide.com/profile.asp?Professor=696
>
> SWANA/RADIO INTIFADA
> KPFK Pacifica Radio for Southern California
> 90.7 Los Angeles
> 98.7 Santa Barbara
> http://www.kpfk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2722&Itemid=79&lang=en
>
>> February 8, 2007
>> Hagit Borer: There is little question in anybody's mind about the
>> special relation between Israel and the United States.
>>Israel is the
>> largest recipient of US foreign aid to the tune of more than $3
>> billion dollars a year
>
> Pal Territories
> Economic aid - recipient:
> $1.14 billion (2004)
>
> Egypt
> Economic aid - recipient:
> ODA, $1.12 billion (2002)
>
> Israel
> Economic aid - recipient:
> $240 million from US (FY06)

POOR ISRAEL! WHERE CAN I SEND MY PIGGY BANK TO? 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Subject: US  AID TO ISRAEL REPRESENTS ABOUT 13% OF ISRAEL'S BUDGET!
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Many years ago some critics of the state of Israel began citing US aid money 
as a fraction of the budget of Israel. At that time Israeli newspapers 
commonly reported only the budget of the central government that is the 
expenditure of revenues collected for national uses rather than local uses. 
As that budget was about $US30 billion, the $3-5 billion per year was 
clearly 10 to 13 percent of that budget. In years (most of them) when Israel 
got additional funds, such as the year the Columbia Shuttle went down and 
additional $12 billion as compared to an additional one half billion for 
NASA, the percentage goes over one third of the entire budget.

Izziehuggers noticed the critics and Israel took action. The government 
began using the total tax revenues even though $70 billion of it were for 
mundane this like trash collection and highway repair whereas the $30 
billion was for things like military spending, occupying the West Bank, 
Jerusalem, Syria and until recently Gaza. Israeli newspapers went along with 
the charade.

As will all lies the liars who tell them occasionally tell the truth. I 
submit the following.


  Haaretzdaily.com
  May 7, 2006
  The Finance Ministry has estimated that the tax revenue to be gained from 
U.S. tycoon Warren Buffett's purchase of 80 percent of Galilee-based Iscar 
Metalworking will be about $1 billion - at NIS 4.6 billion, a figure 
amounting to almost 3 percent of the state's estimated tax revenues for 
2006.
$1 billion is about 3% making the entire budget about $33 Billion. This is 
exactly the kind of number the newspapers used to report. In moments of 
excitement they tend to blurt out the truth.



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I include the entire article as a link on the quoted text as these mistakes 
are usually quickly caught and the article vanishes as this one did in less 
than 24 hours.

Update: About a week later haaretzdaily.com went offline leaving only a much 
abbreviated haaretz.com.




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So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a 
variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the 
illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common 
interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays 
the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter 
without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions 
to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to 
injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what 
ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a 
disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are 
withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who 
devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice 
the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with 
popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, 
a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public 
good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or 
infatuation.

-- George Washington 




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Subject: DUBYA IS ON THE MISSION FROM....G O D !
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http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/bush-mission.phtml 




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  A Newsweek photo gallery, recently posted at MSNBC.com and titled 
"Suddenly Orphaned," brings to life one of the tragically frequent 
"incidents" experienced by Iraqi civilians at the hands of occupation 
troops. A "speeding" car was acting "suspiciously" in the Iraqi town of Tal 
Afar. The driver was "ordered" to stop, yet "failed" to do so, despite clear 
"hand signals," and "warning shots."
  The well trained soldiers "had no other choice" but to open fire, killing 
a mother and father of six. Soldiers quickly "assessed" the situation, 
dragging six little blood-spattered kids out of the car, forced them to 
their knees before the US troops, whose feet were also splattered with the 
Iraqi civilian blood.

  The tragedy was anything but rare. It just happened that photographer 
Chris Hondros was there to witness it and to relay it to us. The Newsweek 
photo gallery, however, assured us that the wounded children were carried 
compassionately to a nearby hospital and that the "Army had immediately 
ordered an investigation," which became the end in itself.

If in a few years these children should decide to fly planes into the 
replacement WTC building who can find fault with them? If they blow up 
something we will have to kill them but we cannot find fault with them.

I am not saying it was deliberate or that the soldiers who did it were 
acting improperly. But they did it. Iraqis are not required to accept the 
reasons. This is not a movie with a happy ending where they come to 
understand and appreciate the soldiers' position.

It would not have happened if the invasion had not occurred. The invasion 
would not have occurred were it not for attacking their country that had not 
attacked the US.

Now muliply these children by all the children and all the family members of 
all the people who died as a result of the invasion including those in the 
Iraqi army.

How many righteous enemies we have made? How many are we making today? How 
many will we make before we leave?




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From: "ElParedon" 
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What if Israel were to fold tomorrow? The most obvious benefit would be the 
end of the primary objection people in the middle east have to the US. We 
are not supposed to say it but everyone knows it. Bin Laden said it. All 
public opinion polls in the middle east give that as the reason for negative 
opinions of the US. Even the 9/11 Commission said it. But we are not 
supposed to make an issue of it.

So clearly there is a major benefit to the US, no more justification for 
terrorism, no more using it to recruit terrorists, and being able to check 
out library books without Big Brother keeping records.

What would the US lose? We would lose our major source of worthless 
intelligence information about countries in the middle east. Israel was the 
major source of all the BS about Iraq weapons program. If Israel were gone 
we would not get bad intel and also there would be no need for the intel in 
the first place. That is getting two for one.

Some might say the US would lose an outpost of democracy in the middle east. 
Fact is Israel does everything it can to be considered European rather than 
middle eastern so it does not want that honor. It is only used as a 
pro-Israel talking point, mere propaganda. As an aggressive expansionist 
country Israel is a bad example democracy. And the US really doesn't give a 
damn about democracy in the middle east. That too is a pro-war talking 
point, more propaganda.

For the sake of argument lets say the US is still facing terrorist attacks. 
Does not Israel provide invaluable knowledge and experience in combating 
terrorism? Israel has been facing guerrilla warfare, today called terrorism, 
for half a century. It appears the only thing Israel can teach the US is how 
to prolong terrorism for a half century with no end in sight. I do not see 
how that can be considered a good thing. I'd rather deal with someone who 
knows how to win.

Should Israel's economic accomplishments be taken as a model to study? 
Considering US charity by way of foreign aid accounts for 15% of Israel's 
national budget it is frustrating to see how little it has accomplished. It 
is like someone giving the US $300 billion a year every year.

Israel's science and technology are often pointed to with pride. In fact 
they are like the small town newspaper crediting the home town boy in the 
big league with every winning game. The other players on the team get no 
credit. But even if not, it is the people not the country. It doesn't matter 
where they live and work. Israel does nothing out of the ordinary to promote 
research.

In terms of the other players not getting credit, US companies are given tax 
reductions for work contracted to companies in Israel. This is another form 
of charity, giving Israel foreign investments which make no economic sense 
without the reduced taxes. Even with the tax incentive there is so little 
investment, we have to conclude it is all because of the tax break.

Israel's advanced military hardware is the same as other science and 
technology. Israel is given contracts, technology is shared, major projects 
are joint ventures. Israel typically falls behind in their part of these 
projects has to be helped along to keep the project on schedule. In 
Washington assigning budget overruns to Israel is both expected and quickly 
approved.

A favorite propaganda talking point is the value of Israel's military to the 
US in the middle east. In fact it has been valueless in both Iraq wars and 
in Afghanistan. It has been a major investment for the US which in practice 
worthless. The military aircraft the US has provided permit Israel to 
project force as far as they can fly. Its German supplied U-boats project 
power as far as they can travel. Its 650,000 active and reserve land forces 
can project force a little bit beyond the end of the bus lines. Those are 
the facts.

Israel does not have tanks carriers. It does not have troop transports. It 
does not even have mid-air refueling for its planes. It does use its 
civilian buses to move troops to the front.

What about Israel as an example of an open, pluralistic, multicultural 
society? That may be the image Israel tries to project in the US. In reality 
Israel is a highly segregated society reminiscent of the American South in 
the era prior to the civil rights movement. Housing, job and government 
benefits are by law and social custom favor Jews to the near total exclusion 
of others. Separate but equal schools are the norm.

Rather than an example of the West, Israel is a carbon copy of the worst of 
other middle eastern countries. Where some middle eastern countries may not 
be favorable to non-Muslims, Israel has public policies to encourage 
non-Jews to leave. Not only to leave Israel but to leave the occupied 
territories as well. Israel pays Jews to live in the occupied territories 
and takes the best land for them to live on, driving out or killing the 
rightful owners, or makes it impossible to use their own land, claiming it 
as a security zone, a thousand reasons all of which give Jews the land of 
other people. Jews publicly say their intention is to make life so miserable 
for Palestinians that they will leave.

And here I have switched from Israel to Jews. Israel is not the 
responsibility of non-Jews. While non-Jews have the legal right to vote, it 
is illegal for their elected representatives to advocate ending Jewish 
dominance. It is the same as the pre-civil rights US prohibiting any 
politician from advocating the end of segregation. Non-Jews having the vote 
is clearly a sham, a travesty of democracy. It would be more honest to deny 
them the vote as they cannot gain fundamental improvement to their own 
condition by voting.

Is it antisemitic to say Jews are the bigots doing this? Can the truth be 
antisemitic? Jews are doing it. They are also Israelis. It cannot be said 
politely.

With Israel gone, native expertise in the sciences will be dispersed to 
other countries rather than lost. The major cause for anti-American 
sentiment in the middle east will disappear. The perverted example of a 
western democracy will no longer cause people to reject the idea. And of 
course the billions saved each year, not just on those funds keeping Israel 
a desirable country but also the matching funds going to Egypt.

Even more, Jews who leave will no longer live every day in fear of bombs and 
bullets and cataclysmic war. They will no longer live in a militaristic, 
segregated society. They will be freed from the constant barrage of zionist 
propaganda. Best of all, the change will harm none of them. There may be an 
occasional swastika on a synagogue but no bombs on buses. It would seem a 
more than fair trade.

Israel's ruling families know all of this. It is obvious to anyone who takes 
an unbiased look at it. Therefore the holy holocaust is used to get Jews to 
move to and stay in Israel and "Arabs will slaughter us" to keep the 
citizens from demanding the government make peace with its neighbors. There 
is no threat any place in the world, not even in Arab countries, of any kind 
of extermination effort. Therefore every trivial incident is presented as a 
harbinger of a holocaust to come.

The simple fact is no government of any middle east country has ever 
threatened to push Israel into the sea. That is a myth of the Zionist ruling 
class to keep the peasants in fear. It is a delicate balance between the two 
fears. It requires regular demonstrations of military power to keep 
immigrants from going home as so many Russians are now doing. US charity 
becomes doubly important. First to pay for that military. Second to make the 
welfare state possible as it could not exist if Israel had to pay for its 
own military.

To maintain the solidarity of Israel, it resorts to the methods developed by 
Nazi Germany. Devotion to themselves as a people to the exclusion of all 
others, Ein Volk. Fervent nationalism, devotion to Israel as the land of 
their fathers, the patriarchs, Ein Reich, der Vaterland. So far they have 
not resorted to Ein Führer but two out of three isn't bad.

As with Nazi Germany they have an openly socialist state which is legally 
and customarily almost exclusively for the Volk. Circumstances are made as 
difficult as possible for non-Jews to encourage them to leave. Some 80% of 
Christians have left. Life in the occupied territories is made as 
intolerable as possible with laws worse than Nuremberg Laws applied to the 
native population.

The end of Israel would be akin to the end of Nazi Germany without the war. 
These massive injustices would end overnight. Non-Israeli Jews would cease 
being tarred with the same brush as Israeli Jews. With the end of Israel 
there would no longer be anti-zionism to spill over as anti-semitism.




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KY's Senior Senator Mitch McConnell said during a speech on the floor of the 
U.S. Senate
"Domestic terrorism is not a cause we have to fight or a project we need to 
fund. We are not interested in capturing bin Laden. Even though he has been 
offered to us. We are not the world's policemen. It's not our job to clean 
up other countries messes or arrest it's bad guys."



VERBATIM QUOTES FROM WHEN CLINTON WAS COMMITTING TROOPS TO BOSNIA:

"You can support the troops but not the president."--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going 
to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come 
home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their 
life?"--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a 
foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has 
yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not 
informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from 
home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."--Sen. Rick 
Santorum (R-PA)"

American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the 
administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign 
policy."--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a 
clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't 
think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is 
often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning 
that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague 
objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions 
are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is 
no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no 
contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There 
is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation 
defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic 
plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no 
plan today"--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to 
explain to us what the exit strategy is."-- Governor George W. Bush (R)-TX




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I WONDER HOW MUCH THE U.S. TAXPAYER HAD TO PAY FOR THIS CREEP!

Braving derision by political rivals branding him the new "poodle" of 
President George W. Bush, who has long been as unpopular in France as he is 
these days in the United States, Sarkozy made a high-profile visit to 
Washington last September. Just weeks ago, the French candidate published an 
American edition of his campaign manifesto, "Testimony: France in the 
Twenty-First Century" (Pantheon), with a new introduction that makes him 
sound like the best friend the Yanks have had in Paris since the Marquis de 
Lafayette.

How Sarkozy's ideas will play with the notoriously protest-prone population 
he now has to lead is an open question. Testifying to the confrontational 
mood he brings to the office, police contingents were reinforced today in 
the same outer-city ghettos that erupted with inchoate, incendiary anger in 
2005, while Sarkozy was in charge of public order as the minister of 
interior. Large contingents of cops were also on hand in Place de la 
Concorde, the heart of central Paris, in case victory celebrations by the 
right wing degenerated into outright confrontation between Sarkozy's 
supporters and those who hate and fear the man-or just want to use the 
occasion to raise hell.

"The choice of Nicolas Sarkozy is a dangerous choice," Royal said as 
campaigning drew to an end on Friday, claiming she had to "sound the alarm" 
about "the violence and brutality that will be spawned in the country. 
Everyone knows it, but no one says it. It is a kind of taboo." Sarkozy 
responded with undisguised contempt: "Ah, well, she wasn't in a good mood 
this morning. It must be the polls."

While Sarkozy's ability to ram through major changes in the way France and 
the French do business looms as the imponderable and possibly ominous theme 
of the weeks to come-he has vowed to push his programs into law in 100 
days-his pitch to Americans is clear, concise and conciliatory.

Sarkozy writes in the preface to the U.S. edition of "Testimony," "I have no 
intention of apologizing for feeling an affinity with the greatest democracy 
in the world." Opting more for Bushism than Gaullism, Sarkozy extols the 
transatlantic alliance with the United States "that enabled France and 
Western Europe to preserve their freedom."




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What would we say if an American institution, holding a seventh of all the 
land in the United States, adopted statutes that allowed it to sell or rent 
land only to White Anglo-Saxon Protestants?

We would not believe it. And it is, indeed, impossible.

But that's the way things are in Israel. This us now the subject of a stormy 
public debate.

These are the facts: The Jewish National Fund (in Hebrew Keren Kayemet 
le-Israel - KKL) holds 13% of all the land in Israel. Its statutes 
explicitly prohibit the sale or rental of land to non-Jews. This means that 
every Jew in the world, living anywhere from Timbuktu to Kamchatka, can get 
land from the KKL, without even coming to Israel, while an Arab citizen of 
Israel, whose forefathers have lived here for hundreds - or even thousands - 
of years, cannot acquire a house or an apartment on its land.

The debate arose after a recent ruling of the Israeli Supreme Court which 
proscribed discrimination between citizens in the distribution of land. On 
the strength of this, the KKL has been sued. Now the Attorney General has 
decided that the Government cannot discriminate against Arab citizens, even 
while distributing land belonging to the KKL.

This is all very nice, but there is a "but". The best legal brains looked 
for a way out: How to keep the discrimination alive in spite of the court's 
decision? No Problem. The Attorney General simply proposes that for every 
dunam (1000 square meters, a Turkish measure still applied in Israel) that 
the KKL will have to distribute - God forbid - to Arabs, the government will 
compensate it with another dunam somewhere else. The alternative land will 
be in the "peripheral" areas, the Negev and the Galilee, where it is much 
more profitable. And for good measure, the government will guarantee that 
the annual revenues of the KKL will reach half a billion Shekels. Thus the 
cake will be divided but remain whole.

The KKL, by the way, appoints almost half the directors of the "Israel Land 
Authority", the government body that is in charge of all state-owned land in 
Israel.

In this situation, 20% of the citizens of Israel are denied the right to buy 
a home in large parts of the country, while this right is enjoyed by Jews 
living in Brooklyn and Odessa.

How did this state of affairs come about?

Like many other bad things here, it started quite innocently.

More than a hundred years ago, when the Zionist movement was created, the 
need arose to buy land for Jewish immigrants in Palestine. The KKL was set 
up for this purpose. In every Zionist home around the world a blue 
collection box was hung up. In every classroom in Jewish schools, children 
were urged to drop their coins into the box. In Jewish schools in this 
country, KKL-trustees were appointed, whose job was to encourage donations, 
for example by organizing fund-raising competitions between classes and 
between schools. The blue box became a symbol of the Zionist movement, 
perhaps the most prominent. I, too, put my coins into the box that was 
passed along the benches every Friday in my classroom in the Ahad-Ha'am 
elementary school in Tel-Aviv.

With the money thus collected, a lot of land was acquired, on which 
Kibbutzim and Moshavim were set up. That was the height of Zionist idealism. 
The "Redemption of the Land" and "Hebrew Labor" were the cornerstones of the 
Zionist dream.

And, indeed, what could be more beautiful? Children all over the world 
dropped their pennies into the blue box. The land of Israel was bought with 
good money. On this land the pioneers, sons of merchants and usurers, tilled 
the field in the sweat of their brows.

All over the world, Jewish children were singing: "I shall tell you, girl, / 
And you too, boy, / How in the land of Israel / The land is redeemed. // A 
dunam here, a dunam there, / Clod after clod, / The land of the people is 
being bought, / From the North to the Negev. // On the wall there hangs a 
box, / A blue box, / Every penny in the box / Redeems land..."

However, this beautiful story had a dark side, which was not registered in 
Zionist consciousness.

The land was indeed bought, often at exorbitant prices, but from rich 
absentee owners, who did not live on it or cultivate it. When the late 
Ottoman Empire was bankrupt and in dire need of money, it sold huge tracts 
to rich Arab merchants in Jaffa, Beirut and other cities, who bought them as 
an investment. The Arab Felaheen (farmers), who had tilled the land for many 
generations, were mere tenants. When the KKL bought the land, the Felaheen 
were driven out, often with the help of the Turkish, and later the British 
police.

In spite of all this effort, when the United Nations resolved in November 
1947 to partition the country between a Jewish and an Arab State, less than 
7% of the land belonged to Jews. Only a part of this area belonged to the 
KKL, the rest to private Jewish owners in the towns and the agricultural 
"colonies".

Logic would have dictated that with the founding of the State of Israel, the 
KKL transfer its lands to the State. After all, that was the idea of 
collecting the money.

But this did not happen. In fact, the very opposite took place: the new 
state transferred to the KKL millions of dunams of land expropriated from 
Arabs - the refugees who were not allowed to return ("absentees" in legal 
language), those who had remained in the country but were absent on a given 
day from their villages ("present absentees"), as well as Arabs who became 
citizens of Israel.

It is important to keep this in mind, since it disproves the big lie that 
hovers over the whole debate: that the KKL land was bought with the money of 
the Jewish people. The greater part of the present KKL land was not bought 
at all, but conquered in war and transferred to the KKL.

Why transferred? Why did the sovereign state transfer lands gratis to a 
non-state body? Only one reason comes to mind: so as to continue with the 
discrimination against the Arab citizens.

In an official brief, the KKL argues that it does not owe loyalty to the 
principles of the State of Israel, as put down in the 1948 Declaration of 
Independence (equality between all citizens, regardless of religion and 
race), but to "The Jewish People". This means that "The Jewish People", 
which is not a political body, is being presented as an independent entity 
superior to the State of Israel.

The KKL does not act, of course, for "the Jewish People". It is an 
instrument of the Israeli Jewish community against the Israeli Arab 
community. It has become an instrument for institutionalized discrimination. 
The Attorney General's sleight of hand, designed to satisfy the demand of 
the Israeli Supreme Court for equality between all citizens, while still 
allowing a body based on discrimination to keep hold of 13% of the land in 
the state, does not change the situation in principle. The KKL is not 
unique. Discrimination reigns in many fields. In the last few days alone, 
the following facts happened to come to light:

* The chiefs of the Treasury Ministry are pondering how to pay allowances to 
big Jewish families, without paying them to big Arab families. (There are 
two communities in Israel with a soaring birth-rate: the Jewish orthodox and 
the Muslim Arab, especially Bedouin.)

* The Ministry of the Interior is pushing a law that allows all foreigners 
who marry Israelis to acquire Israeli citizenship, even if they are not 
Jewish - but explicitly excludes Arabs. This denies thousands of young 
Arabs, citizens of Israel, the right to set up a family in Israel, if the 
bride or bridegroom is a resident of the Palestinian territories, even if he 
or she is a relative.

* The Ministry of Education confirmed what until now has been an open 
secret: that the appointment of every teacher and principal in an Arab 
school in Israel is subject to the approval of the General Security Service 
(Shin-Bet). But the ministry is progressing with the times: Until now, the 
Shin-Bet representative was automatically the vice-chairman of the 
appointments committee. From now on, he will only be a simple committee 
member.

It would be nice if we could say that these phenomena, and the many others 
of the sort, are inspired by the right-wing. But the truth is that most of 
them came into being when the Zionist left was in control, and continue now 
with the support of the left-wing whose representatives serve in the Sharon 
government.

This is not the state that we promised ourselves in the Declaration of 
Independence. We have a tough struggle ahead of us, until Israel becomes a 
democratic, liberal, secular, pluralist and egalitarian state.

A step in this direction would be the abolition of the KKL and the transfer 
of its lands to the state.




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Jews and Freemasons controlled war on Iraq, says No 10 adviser

By Toby Helm
Last Updated: 12:30am BST 12/09/2005



      Tony Blair decided to wage war on Iraq after coming under the 
influence of a "sinister" group of Jews and Freemasons, a Muslim barrister 
who advises the Prime Minister has claimed.

      Ahmad Thomson, from the Association of Muslim Lawyers, said Mr Blair 
was the latest in a long line of politicians to have been influenced by the 
group which saw the attack on Saddam Hussein as a way to control the Middle 
East.

      A Government spokesman confirmed last night that ministers and 
officials consulted Mr Thomson on issues concerning Muslims but refused to 
be drawn on his views. "We talk to a lot of people, including many whose 
views we do not necessarily agree with," she said.

      advertisement



      Mr Thomson said: "Pressure was put on Tony Blair before the invasion. 
The way it works is that pressure is put on people to arrive at certain 
decisions. It is part of the Zionist plan and it is shaping events."

      Mr Thomson wrote a book in 1994 in which he said Freemasons and Jews 
controlled the governments of Europe and America and described the claim 
that six million Jews died in the Holocaust as a "big lie". In The Next 
World Order, Mr Thomson, a Muslim convert who was born Martin Thomson in 
Rhodesia, wrote: "When the majority of people in a predominantly Christian 
society cease to worship God, the result is fascism.

      "When the people in a predominantly Jewish society cease to worship 
God, the result is either communism or capitalism. A predominantly Christian 
society is concerned primarily with establishing a political ideology, 
whilst a predominantly Jewish society is concerned primarily with 
establishing an economic system."

      This, he suggested, led to the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mr Thomson, who 
was called to the bar in 1979, wrote: "The fascism of Hitler was the 
Christian element in the increasingly "Jewish" environment in which he and 
his followers found themselves."

      He also wrote that the Jews have no right to live in "the Holy Land" 
because they are not a pure race and therefore not the true biblical 
Israelites and that Saddam was used as an excuse for US troops - "including 
thousands of Jews" - to occupy Saudi Arabia.

      A Government source said: "It is by talking to people with varying 
views that we find out what the range of opinions is. It doesn't mean we 
agree with what they are saying."



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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.20a8486e1d6f0016989df5@west.Usenet-News.net...
> In article <1178406714.997010.75760@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> On May 5, 11:00 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>> > In article <_CS_h.11362$TD3.9...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
>> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>> >
>> > >       WHAT THESE IDIOTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT TORTURE AND 
>> > > BEATINGS ARE A
>> > > TWO WAY STREET.
>> >
>> > Idiot who started this street Alex?
>>
>> I AM SURE THAT BEING A JEW YOU WOULD BLAME THE VICTIM!
>
> Unfortunately it is true that Jews are often victims!
DID I HEAR THAT BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE BEFORE? 




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Sarkozy is not a fucking Jew, he belongs to the Hungarian nobility which 
kept slaves for centuries, some were Jewish slaves. You are next! 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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There are about 3 million Arab Americans, and as a community, we've been 
demonstrating loyalty, inventiveness, and courage on behalf of the United 
States for over 100 years. Here are just a few of the famous and 
accomplished ones - people you may know!
Military Service
You talk about courage . How about America's and the world's first jet ace? 
He was the Korean War hero, U.S. Air Force Col. James Jabara. In World War 
II, Army officers like Maj. Gen. Fred Safay fought alongside Gen. Patton, 
and Brig. Gen. Elias Stevens served on Gen. Eisenhower's staff.

And in 1944, one of our Navy's ships, the destroyer escort USS Naifeh, was 
named in honor of an Arab American hero, Navy Lt. Alfred Naifeh of Oklahoma. 
Retired Brigadier General James J. David served as Company Commander of the 
famous 101st Airborne Division in Vietnam in 1969 and 1970. More recently, 
West Point graduate and retired four-star Gen. George Joulwan was the NATO 
Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, where he commanded both European and 
U.S. troops. Brig. Gen. William J. Jabour is the Director of the Air Force 
Program Executive Office for Fighter and Bomber programs in charge of the 
F-22 System Program Office (SPO). General John Abizaid is head of U.S. 
Central Command in Iraq.




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Some of us work in our nation's capital, like veteran Congressmen Nick Joe 
Rahall II (West Virginia), Ray LaHood (Illinois), Charles Boustany 
(Louisiana), Darrell Issa (California), Senator John E. Sununu (New 
Hampshire) and former Congressman John Baldacci who is now the Governor of 
Maine.

Two Arab Americans were appointed to President George W. Bush's first term 
Cabinet: former Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mitchell E. 
Daniels, Jr., who is now the Governor of Indiana and former U.S. Secretary 
of Energy Spencer Abraham. The first Arab American ever appointed to a 
Cabinet secretary post was Donna Shalala, the nation's longest serving 
Secretary of Health and Human Services, and now president of the University 
of Miami. Former Governor of New Hampshire John H. Sununu became the White 
House Chief of Staff under Pres. George Bush, Sr., and later a political 
commentator on CNN.

America's longest-serving White House Chief of Protocol, serving 
seven-and-a-half years under President Reagan, was Ambassador Selwa 
Roosevelt. Thomas Nassif and Edward Gabriel both served as U.S. Ambassador 
to Morocco. Our Ambassador to Syria was Theodore Kattouf, and Marcelle Wahba 
was Ambassador to the United Arab Emirates. The late ambassador Philip C. 
Habib served as Special Presidential Envoy to the Middle East and was 
awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Feisty Helen Thomas, who served 
for 57 years as a correspondent for United Press International and was dean 
of the White House press corps, is a Hearst newspaper syndicated columnist. 
In a class by himself, the late, warm-hearted Robert George portrayed Santa 
Claus year-round for nearly 50 years and was a Presidential Santa at the 
White House through seven administrations.

Others who have served in high elected office are: former U.S. Senate 
Majority Leader George Mitchell, who brokered a peace deal in Northern 
Ireland and led a peace commission to the Middle East; former U.S. Senators 
James Abourezk and James Abdnor, both of South Dakota; and former 
Congressional members Pat Danner of Missouri, Mary Rose Oakar of Ohio, the 
late George Kasem of California, who was the first Arab American elected to 
the U.S. Congress, Abraham Kazen, Jr. of Texas, Toby Moffett of Connecticut, 
and Chris John of Lousiana. Victor Atiyeh was the popular governor of 
Oregon. And in San Diego, city clerk Charles Abdelnour pioneered the 
legislation to create the "all-mail ballot" which set a national precedent 
and earned him an international reputation in election law.




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San Diego Chargers quarterback Doug Flutie, who threw the "miracle 
 touchdown" pass for Boston College, won the Heisman Trophy in 1984. He 
previously played for several NFL teams and was a superstar in the Canadian 
Football League. There's also NFL player Jeff George, who quarterbacked 
several NFL teams, and former NFL coach Rich Kotite. Don't forget former 
Chicago Bears linebacker and NFL Hall of Famer Bill George, or former 
Cleveland Brown Abe Gibran. Another NFL player is Drew Haddad of the 
Indianapolis Colts. The former owner of the Miami Dolphins was Joe Robbie.

UCLA's fiery coach Jim Harrick took his team to the NCAA playoffs eight 
years in a row, winning the national championship in 1995. The late George 
Maloof, Sr. owned the NBA's Houston Rockets; today his sons, Joe and Gavin 
Maloof, own the Sacramento Kings.

Major League baseball player Joe Lahoud played with the Boston Red Sox and 
Sam Khalifa played for the Pittsburgh Pirates. And Fred Saigh once owned 
baseball's St. Louis Cardinals.

In auto racing, Bobby Rahal won the Indy 500 in 1986, later becoming the 
all-time earnings champ among Indy car racers. The founder of the 
Professional Bowlers Association was the late Eddie Elias. In the ring, 
Petey Sarron won the world featherweight championship in 1936-1937. Zuhair 
"Steve" Mansour was weightlifting's Grandmaster of the World in 1990. And a 
four-time U.S. National Chess Champion and Grandmaster is Seattle's Yasser 
Seirawan. Women's International Chess Master Jennifer Shahade won the 2002 
and 2004 U.S. Women's Chess Championships. The late Dr. Elias Ghanem, former 
chairman of the Nevada Athletic Commission and Las Vegas'own physician to 
the stars, once treated celebrities like Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, 
Johnny Cash, Kenny Rogers, and Paul Anka. In track and field, the world 
record holder for the marathon is Arab American Khalid Khannouchi.




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From: "ElParedon" 
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The founder of an international, billion-dollar engineering firm, Jacobs 
Engineering Group, is the late Dr. Joseph Jacobs. A former chemist with 
dozens of patents became Armand Hammer's successor as chairman of the board, 
president, and chief executive officer of Occidental Petroleum - Dr. Ray 
Irani.

The late Najeeb Halaby, former head of the Federal Aviation Administration, 
was CEO of Pan-American Airlines. His daughter, Lisa, married King Hussein 
of Jordan and became the only Arab American to be queen of a foreign 
country, Queen Noor.

Jacques Nasser was formerly the president and CEO of Ford Motor Company. 
Richard Caleal created the "revolutionary" 1949 Ford car design, a design 
that some credit with saving the company. The chairman of the board of the 
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company is Samir G. Gibara. The late Stephen Yokich 
served five terms as vice president of the International United Auto Workers 
union, then became its president. Ned Mansour was formerly the president of 
Mattel, Inc., maker of Barbie dolls and other toys. The founder and 
president of Thomas Nelson Publishers, the largest world-wide distributor of 
the Bible, is Sam Moore. Syrian immigrant Ernest Hamwi created the first 
ice-cream cone at the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair and, a few years later, 
Lebanese immigrant Albert George founded Pennsylvania's Joy Cone Company, 
the country's largest ice-cream cone producer.

John Mack is Chairman of the Board and CEO of Morgan Stanley, one of America's 
largest investment banking firms. Dr. Raymond Jallow is an internationally 
respected economic advisor to governments and institutions, lecturing in 
financial capitals around the world. Youssef A. Nasr was the president and 
CEO of HSBC USA, a leading financial services organization and the third 
largest depository institution. William Hanna is the founding president and 
CEO of Cedars Bank, a wholly Arab American owned commercial bank 
headquartered in Los Angeles. The chairman of the board and CEO of Fresh Del 
Monte Produce, Inc. is Mohammed Abu-Ghazaleh and second generation Lebanese 
American Andrew Thomas is President and CEO of Heinekin USA.

Farouk Shamie is the CEO and founder of Farouk Systems USA, a premier hair 
and skin care company that introduced environmentally safe products for 
hairdressers. Lebanese-American Richard E. Rainwater built his reputation 
managing investments for Texas' wealthy Bass family and earned millions for 
himself as a result. He recently set up a $120 million trust for Stanford 
and the University of South Carolina. Egyptian-born Texas billionaire Fayez 
Sarofim heads Fayez Sarofim Investments and manages the Houston Fine Arts 
Museum's $300 million endowment.

George Shaheen is credited with founding Andersen Consulting, now called 
Accenture, and served as CEO and managing partner as part of a 30-year 
career at the world's biggest consulting firm. Roger Farah is president and 
chief operating officer of Polo Ralph Lauren and previously served as 
chairman of the board of Venator Group, Inc., the parent company of 
Footlocker. The "new economy" has its share of Arab American heroes as well: 
Simon Assad is the co-CEO of Heavy.com, a music site that was nominated for 
a Webby, the Internet's highest honor. One of America's preeminent 
pollsters, keeping tabs on public opinion and other statistics John Zogby of 
Zogby International.

Paul Orfalea founded the world's biggest international chain of copying 
service stores, Kinko's; while the late Waleed Ali and his brother Malik 
founded MPI, the world's largest home-video distributor of documentaries. 
The Palms, a Maloof Casino Resort in Las Vegas, is operated by George 
Maloof, Jr. Entrepreneur ony Ismail founded the Alamo Flag Company in Dallas 
and built it into the largest retailer of flags and related items in the 
U.S. today.




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Australia hands over man to US courts
By: Make_The_First_Round_Count on: 06.05.2007 [21:18 ] (55 reads)

     One of Australia's Finest has been captured and extradited to the 
United Satans of America.
      May we have one minutes silence for this Martyr to a great cause.


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Australia hands over man to US courts

BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from Berkeley 
Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in
America. But he had pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris 
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up
to 10 years in an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

Griffiths' case - involving one of the first extraditions for intellectual 
property crime - has been a triumph for US authorities, demonstrating their 
ability to enforce US laws protecting US companies against Australians in 
Australia, with
the co-operation of the Australian Government.

"Our agents and prosecutors are working tirelessly to nab intellectual 
property thieves, even where their crimes transcend international borders," 
US Attorney Chuck Rosenberg said.

In some corners of the Australian legal community, however, there is concern 
about Griffiths' case. In a recent article for the Australian Law Journal, 
NSW Chief Judge in Equity, Peter Young, wrote: "International copyright 
violations are a great problem. However, there is also the consideration 
that a country must protect its nationals from being removed from their 
homeland to a foreign country merely because the commercial interests of 
that foreign country are claimed to have been affected by the person's 
behaviour in Australia and the foreign country can exercise influence over 
Australia."

Griffiths, a Briton, has lived in Australia since the age of seven. From his 
home base on the central coast of NSW, he served as the leader of a group 
named Drink Or Die, which "cracked" copy-protected software and media 
products and distributed them free of cost. Often seen with long hair and 
bare feet, Griffiths did not make money from his activities, and lived with 
his father in a modest house.

But Drink or Die's activities did cost American companies money - an 
estimated $US50 million ($A60 million), if legal sales were substituted for 
illegal downloads undertaken through Drink or Die. It also raised the ire of 
US authorities.

In 2003, the US Department of Justice charged Griffiths with violating the 
copyright laws of the US, and requested his extradition from Australia. 
Senator Ellison signed a notice for Griffiths' arrest and Australian Federal 
Police arrested him at his home.

Griffiths fought the prospect of extradition through the courts for three 
years, in which time he was denied bail and detained in prison. He indicated 
that he would be willing to plead guilty to a breach of Australian copyright 
law, which meant he could serve time in Australia.

Last year, Griffiths ran out of avenues for appeal in Australia. His fate 
lay in the hands of Senator Ellison, who had the power to refuse Griffiths' 
extradition. But in December, Senator Ellison issued a warrant for 
extradition - a decision welcomed by the US Government. Griffiths' 
extradition in February is believed to be the first out of Australia for a 
breach of intellectual property law.

"This extradition represents the (US) Department of Justice's commitment to 
protect intellectual property rights from those who violate our laws from 
the other side of the globe," US Assistant Attorney-General Alice Fisher 
said.

But Justice Young described as "bizarre" the fact that "people are being 
extradited to the US to face criminal charges when they have never been to 
the US and the alleged act occurred wholly outside the US".

Griffiths appears to have been singled out by US authorities. British-based 
members of Drink or Die were reportedly tried in Britain. Last month, in 
news that slipped the local media's radar, Hew Griffiths pleaded guilty in a 
US District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, to criminal copyright 
infringement offences. According to US authorities, Griffiths admitted to 
overseeing all the illegal operations of the now-disbanded Drink Or Die.

On top of a possible 10-year jail term, Griffiths could be fined $US500,000. 
(By way of comparison, the average sentence for rape in Victoria is six 
years and 10 months.)

Any Australian who has pirated software worth more than $US1000 could be 
subject to the same extradition process as Griffiths was. "Should not the 
Commonwealth Parliament do more to protect Australians from this procedure?" 
Justice
Young asked in his article. Others, however, argue that extradition is 
necessary to prevent internet crimes that transcend borders.

Griffiths will be sentenced on June 22. 


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 JUST LIKE NEFESH IS 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> ElParedon wrote:
>> "cactus"  wrote in message 
>> news:V4p%h.20281$JZ3.9558@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Robert wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 May 2007 04:50:30 GMT, cactus  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Venceremos wrote:
>>>>>>> Disgraced British author David Irving was arrested and subsequently 
>>>>>>> jailed
>>>>>>> for illegally entering Austria and knowingly violating its law 
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>> attempts to revive National Socialism.
>>>>>> THE BEST WAY TO PROPAGATE FASCISM IS TO OUTLAW IT!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting point.  What the antisemites are too stupid to learn is 
>>>>> that
>>>>>  the best way to get rid of Judaism is to accept Jews.  It happened in
>>>>> China - took about three generations.
>>>>   By the same token, anti Jew feeling could be eliminated if Jews
>>>> stopped demanding special status as victims.  BTW all Arabs are
>>>> Semites, most Jews today are of European descent.
>>>>
>>> I'm not sure I agree with the last statement. There are many Sephardic 
>>> Jews, who are not of European descent.
>>
>> crap! Sephardic Jews are Arabs of Jewish faith, most of European Jews are 
>> Russians of Jewish faith,
>
> Generalizations about Jews don't work.The European side of my family 
> include Poles, Russians, Hungarians and Balts.
>
>  and do not forget that there would be no Sephardic
>> Jew left alive if muslims did not help them get out of Spain
>
> The Muslim countries accepted the Jews who were thrown out by the 
> Catholics in Spain and Portugal.  They understood the value of educated, 
> entrepreneurial people. It was also a time when the Catholics and Muslims 
> were not getting along, but Jews and Muslims were.
>
> But not all the Jews evicted from Spain and Portugal went to Muslim 
> countries - many emigrated to The Netherlands, Germany, Poland, and the 
> New World.  In fact, until the Russian pogroms of the late 19th and early 
> 20th Centuries CE most of the Jews in the USA were of Sephardic ancestry.

That is not true. Europe did not accept jews, period. Venice accepted Jews, 
provided they wore a long dunce cap and kept to their own ghetto. T here 
were no Jews in the Americas until the slavery period late 18th century, 
when Jewish traders from Amsterdam bought and sold slaves. The only European 
country which accepted Jews from Spain was Bosnia. The original synagogue, 
the oldest in Europe still stands in Sarajevo.

As for Russian Jews they are home grown variety! 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 8:55 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> The founder of an international, billion-dollar engineering firm, Jacobs
>> Engineering Group, is the late Dr. Joseph Jacobs. A former chemist with
>> dozens of patents became Armand Hammer's successor as chairman of the 
>> board,
>> president, and chief executive officer of Occidental Petroleum - Dr. Ray
>> Irani.
>>
>> The late Najeeb Halaby, former head of the Federal Aviation 
>> Administration,
>> was CEO of Pan-American Airlines. His daughter, Lisa, married King 
>> Hussein
>> of Jordan and became the only Arab American to be queen of a foreign
>> country, Queen Noor.
>>
>> Jacques Nasser was formerly the president and CEO of Ford Motor Company.
>> Richard Caleal created the "revolutionary" 1949 Ford car design, a design
>> that some credit with saving the company. The chairman of the board of 
>> the
>> Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company is Samir G. Gibara. The late Stephen 
>> Yokich
>> served five terms as vice president of the International United Auto 
>> Workers
>> union, then became its president. Ned Mansour was formerly the president 
>> of
>> Mattel, Inc., maker of Barbie dolls and other toys. The founder and
>> president of Thomas Nelson Publishers, the largest world-wide distributor 
>> of
>> the Bible, is Sam Moore. Syrian immigrant Ernest Hamwi created the first
>> ice-cream cone at the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair and, a few years later,
>> Lebanese immigrant Albert George founded Pennsylvania's Joy Cone Company,
>> the country's largest ice-cream cone producer.
>>
>> John Mack is Chairman of the Board and CEO of Morgan Stanley, one of 
>> America's
>> largest investment banking firms. Dr. Raymond Jallow is an 
>> internationally
>> respected economic advisor to governments and institutions, lecturing in
>> financial capitals around the world. Youssef A. Nasr was the president 
>> and
>> CEO of HSBC USA, a leading financial services organization and the third
>> largest depository institution. William Hanna is the founding president 
>> and
>> CEO of Cedars Bank, a wholly Arab American owned commercial bank
>> headquartered in Los Angeles. The chairman of the board and CEO of Fresh 
>> Del
>> Monte Produce, Inc. is Mohammed Abu-Ghazaleh and second generation 
>> Lebanese
>> American Andrew Thomas is President and CEO of Heinekin USA.
>>
>> Farouk Shamie is the CEO and founder of Farouk Systems USA, a premier 
>> hair
>> and skin care company that introduced environmentally safe products for
>> hairdressers. Lebanese-American Richard E. Rainwater built his reputation
>> managing investments for Texas' wealthy Bass family and earned millions 
>> for
>> himself as a result. He recently set up a $120 million trust for Stanford
>> and the University of South Carolina. Egyptian-born Texas billionaire 
>> Fayez
>> Sarofim heads Fayez Sarofim Investments and manages the Houston Fine Arts
>> Museum's $300 million endowment.
>>
>> George Shaheen is credited with founding Andersen Consulting, now called
>> Accenture, and served as CEO and managing partner as part of a 30-year
>> career at the world's biggest consulting firm. Roger Farah is president 
>> and
>> chief operating officer of Polo Ralph Lauren and previously served as
>> chairman of the board of Venator Group, Inc., the parent company of
>> Footlocker. The "new economy" has its share of Arab American heroes as 
>> well:
>> Simon Assad is the co-CEO of Heavy.com, a music site that was nominated 
>> for
>> a Webby, the Internet's highest honor. One of America's preeminent
>> pollsters, keeping tabs on public opinion and other statistics John Zogby 
>> of
>> Zogby International.
>>
>> Paul Orfalea founded the world's biggest international chain of copying
>> service stores, Kinko's; while the late Waleed Ali and his brother Malik
>> founded MPI, the world's largest home-video distributor of documentaries.
>> The Palms, a Maloof Casino Resort in Las Vegas, is operated by George
>> Maloof, Jr. Entrepreneur ony Ismail founded the Alamo Flag Company in 
>> Dallas
>> and built it into the largest retailer of flags and related items in the
>> U.S. today.
>
> And your point is?
My point is that you are stupid if you cannot see it! 




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"Al Nakba"  wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 8:45 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
>> There are about 3 million Arab Americans, and as a community, we've been
>> demonstrating loyalty, inventiveness, and courage on behalf of the United
>> States for over 100 years. Here are just a few of the famous and
>> accomplished ones - people you may know!
>> Military Service
>> You talk about courage . How about America's and the world's first jet 
>> ace?
>> He was the Korean War hero, U.S. Air Force Col. James Jabara. In World 
>> War
>> II, Army officers like Maj. Gen. Fred Safay fought alongside Gen. Patton,
>> and Brig. Gen. Elias Stevens served on Gen. Eisenhower's staff.
>>
>> And in 1944, one of our Navy's ships, the destroyer escort USS Naifeh, 
>> was
>> named in honor of an Arab American hero, Navy Lt. Alfred Naifeh of 
>> Oklahoma.
>> Retired Brigadier General James J. David served as Company Commander of 
>> the
>> famous 101st Airborne Division in Vietnam in 1969 and 1970. More 
>> recently,
>> West Point graduate and retired four-star Gen. George Joulwan was the 
>> NATO
>> Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, where he commanded both European and
>> U.S. troops. Brig. Gen. William J. Jabour is the Director of the Air 
>> Force
>> Program Executive Office for Fighter and Bomber programs in charge of the
>> F-22 System Program Office (SPO). General John Abizaid is head of U.S.
>> Central Command in Iraq.
>
> All these that you cite are Christians, not asslifters..
As long as they are not Ustashas, it is OK 




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"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"  wrote in message 
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> Fascist J Young:
>
>> Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
>> of this great historical record.
>
> And this ends any discussion about whether fuckface young is an antisemite
> bastard or not.

I see nothing anti Semitic in what he said. First of all Jews are not 
semites, secondly the Protocols were written by the Jews! 




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"Ray Fischer"  wrote in message 
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>J Young   wrote:
>>Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
>>of this great historical record.
>
> And the general consensus is that it is anti-semitic and a lie.
 Bullshit! I have seen the Protocols in the British Museum, and they 
certainly look genuine to me. They were written by the Jewish ayatollahs, 
and are being followed to the letter to this very day 




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"Parsifal"  wrote in message 
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> On 7 Mai, 04:50, J Young  wrote:
>> Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
>> of this great historical record. Let the reader decide.
>
> More prrof that you're a nazi turd: this "document" has been proven a
> forgery several times.
 Proven my arse, the Protocols are genuine, otherwise Jews would not have 
been following them to the letter! 




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"Spartakus"  wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 7:50 pm, J Young  wrote:
>> Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
>> of this great historical record. Let the reader decide.
>
> Here's one reason why you like it...
>
>     "It is one of the most well known and discussed examples
>      of literary forgery."

It is absolutely NOT a forgery. The document can be seen on display in the 
British Museum, and Zionists have followed every single tenet of the 
Protocols to this very day 




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On May 7, 12:56 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> J Young   wrote:
>
> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> J Young   wrote:
> >> >Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
> >> >of this great historical record.
>
> >> And the general consensus is that it is anti-semitic and a lie.
>
> >> Which is why you like it.
>
> >The general consensus of who? Let me guess; the WJC and their amen
> >corner at the New York Times.
>
> Wrong again, neonazi lunatic.
>
>     The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a pamphlet that purports to
>     describe a Jewish plot to achieve world domination. It is one of
>     the most well known and discussed examples of literary forgery.
  THAT IS WHAT ZIONAZI BASTARDS WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE, BUT THE
EVIDENCE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL:  DO THE ZIONAZIS DOMINATE MEDIA,
BANKS, BIG BUSINESS, MONEY LENDERS, POLITICAL SYSTEM?

OF COURSE THEY DO!  TRY GETTING ELECTED TO THE DOG CATCHERS POSITION
IF YOU ARE CRITICAL OF JEWS!z  SEE WHAT HAPPENS!



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On May 7, 2:03 am, cactus  wrote:
> ElParedon wrote:
> > "Ray Fischer"  wrote in message
> >news:463e9ed7$0$14130$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> >> J Young   wrote:
> >>> Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
> >>> of this great historical record.
> >> And the general consensus is that it is anti-semitic and a lie.
> >  Bullshit! I have seen the Protocols in the British Museum, and they
> > certainly look genuine to me. They were written by the Jewish ayatollahs,
> > and are being followed to the letter to this very day
>
> You are either very deluded or deliberately ignorant.
>
> Even the Russian courts have ruled it an antisemitic

nizkor crap! All you have to do is look around if Jews are following
the tenets of the Protocols. They bloody well are. America is a debtor
nation and Jews have made us so!
>
> There are plenty of other sites documenting its status as plagiarized
> forgery.




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On May 7, 12:58 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> ElParedon  wrote:
> >"Ray Fischer"  wrote in message
> >>J Young   wrote:
> >>>Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
> >>>of this great historical record.
>
> >> And the general consensus is that it is anti-semitic and a lie.
> > Bullshit! I have seen the Protocols in the British Museum, and they
> >certainly look genuine to me. They were written by the Jewish ayatollahs,
> >and are being followed to the letter to this very day
>
> Written by the Russian secret police.

Bullshit it was!



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INTRODUCTION
Of the Protocols themselves little need be said in the way of introduction. 
The book in which they are embodied was first published in the year 1897 by 
Philip Stepanov for private circulation among his intimate friends. The 
first time Nilus published them was in 1901 in a book called The Great 
Within the Small and reprinted in 1905. A copy of this is in the British 
Museum bearing the date of its reception, August 10, 1906. All copies that 
were known to exist in Russia were destroyed in the Kerensky regime, and 
under his successors the possession of a copy by anyone in Soviet land was a 
crime sufficient to ensure the owner's of being shot on sight. The fact is 
in itself sufficient proof of the genuineness of the Protocols. The Jewish 
journals, of course, say that they are a forgery, leaving it to be 
understood that Professor Nilus, who embodied them in a work of his own, had 
concocted them for his own purposes.

Mr. Henry Ford, in an interview published in the New York WORLD, February 
17th, 1921, put the case for Nilus tersely and convincingly thus:

  "The only statement I care to make about the PROTOCOLS is that they fit in 
with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the 
world situation up to this time. THEY FIT IT NOW."

Indeed they do!

The word "Protocol" signifies a precis gummed on to the front of a document, 
a draft of a document, minutes of proceedings. In this instance, "Protocol" 
means minutes of the proceedings of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of 
Zion. These Protocols give the substance of addresses delivered to the 
innermost circle of the Rulers of Zion. They reveal the converted plan of 
action of the Jewish Nation developed through the ages and edited by the 
Elders themselves up to date. Parts and summaries of the plan have been 
published from time to time during the centuries as the secrets of the 
Elders have leaked out. The claim of the Jews that the Protocols are 
forgeries is in itself an admission of their genuineness, for they NEVER 
ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THE FACTS corresponding to the THREATS which the Protocols 
contain, and, indeed, the correspondence between prophecy and fulfillment is 
too glaring to be set aside or obscured. This the Jews well know and 
therefore evade.

Captain A.H.M. Ramsay records in his classic, The Nameless War: "According 
to a letter published in "Plain English" (a weekly review published by the 
North British Publishing Co. and edited by the late Lord Alfred Douglas) on 
3rd September, 1921:-

"The Learned Elders have been in existence for a much longer period than 
they have perhaps suspected. My friend, Mr. L. D. van Valckert, of 
Amsterdam, has recently sent me a letter containing two extracts from the 
Synagogue at Mulheim. The volume in which they are contained was lost at 
some period during the Napoleonic Wars, and has recently come into Mr. van 
Valckert's possession. It is written in German, and contains extracts of 
letters sent and received by the authorities of the Mulheim Synagogue. The 
first entry he sends me is of a letter received:-

16th June, 1647.

>From O.C. (i.e. Oliver Cromwell), by Ebenezer Pratt.

"In return for financial support will advocate admission of Jews to England: 
This however impossible while Charles living.

Charles cannot be executed without trial, adequate grounds for which do not 
at present exist. Therefore advise that Charles be assassinated, but will 
have nothing to do with arrangements for procuring an assassin, though 
willing to help in his escape."

In reply was dispatched the following:-

12th July, 1647.

To O.C. by E. Pratt.

"Will grant financial aid as soon as Charles removed and Jews admitted. 
Assassination too dangerous. Charles shall be given opportunity to escape: 
His recapture will make trial and execution possible. The support will be 
liberal, but useless to discuss terms until trial commences."

Captain Ramsay quotes Isaac Disraeli, father of Benjamin, Earl of 
Beaconsfield, Britain's first Jewish Prime Minister, in his two volume "Life 
of Charles I", published in 1851: "The English Revolution under Charles I 
was unlike any preceding one . . . From that time and event we contemplate 
in our history the phases of revolution." There were many more to follow on 
similar lines, notably in France. In 1897 a further important clue to these 
mysterious happenings fell into Gentile hands in the shape of the Protocols 
of the Elders of Zion.

In that document we read this remarkable sentence: "Remember the French 
Revolution, the secrets of its preparation are well known to us for it was 
entirely the work of our hands." (See Protocol No. III, XIV).

In 1865 a certain Jewish Rabbi named Rzeichorn delivered a speech at Prague. 
It is a very accurate summary of many aspects of the Protocols which would 
come to light several decades later and was published eleven years later by 
Sir John Radcliff, who was assassinated shortly afterwards, giving testimony 
to the powers of the secret organisation of inner elite Jewry even then.

The presumption is strong that the Protocols were issued, or reissued, at 
the First Zionist Congress held at Basle in 1897 under the presidency of the 
Father of Modern Zionism, the late Theodore Herzl.

There has been recently published a volume of Herzl's "Diaries," a 
translation of some passages which appeared in the JEWISH CHRONICLE of July 
14, 1922. Herzl gives an account of his first visit to England in 1895, and 
his conversation with Colonel Goldsmid, a Jew brought up as a Christian, an 
officer in the English Army, and at heart a Jew Nationalist all the time. 
Goldsmid suggested to Herzl that the best way of expropriating the English 
aristocracy, and so destroying their power to protect the people of England 
against Jew domination, was to put excessive taxes on the land. Herzl 
thought this an excellent idea, and it is now to be found definitely 
embodied in Protocol VI!

The above extract from Herzl's DIARY is an extremely significant bit of 
evidence bearing on the existence of the Jew World Plot and authenticity of 
the Protocols, but any reader of intelligence will be able from his own 
knowledge of recent history and from his own experience to confirm the 
genuineness of every line of them, and it is in the light of this LIVING 
comment that all readers are invited to study Mr. Marsden's translation of 
this terribly inhuman document.

Here is what Dr. Ehrenpreis, Chief Rabbi of Sweden, said in 1924, concerning 
the Protocols: "Long have I been well acquainted with the contents of the 
Protocols, indeed for many years before they were ever published in the 
Christian press. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were in point of fact 
not the original Protocols at all, but a compressed extract of the same. Of 
the 70 Elders of Zion, in the matter of origin and of the existence of the 
original Protocols, there are only ten men in the entire world who know.

I participated with Dr. Herzl in the first Zionist Congress which was held 
in Basle in 1897. Herzl was the most prominent figure at the Jewish World 
Congress. Herzl foresaw, twenty years before we experienced them, the 
revolution which brought the Great War, and he prepared us for that which 
was to happen. He foresaw the splitting up of Turkey, that England would 
obtain control of Palestine. We may expect important developments in the 
world."

And here is another very significant circumstance.The present successor of 
Herzl, as leader of the Zionist movement, Dr. Weizmann, quoted one of these 
sayings at the send-off banquet given to Chief Rabbi Hertz on October 6, 
1920. The Chief Rabbi was on the point of leaving for HIS Empire tour of 
H.R.H., the Prince of Wales. And this is the "saying" of the Sages which Dr. 
Weizmann quoted: "A beneficent protection which God has instituted in the 
life of the Jew is that He has dispersed him all over the world." (JEWISH 
GUARDIAN, Oct. 8, 1920.)

Now compare this with the last clause of but one of Protocol XI.

  "God has granted to us, His Chosen People, the gift of dispersion, and 
>from this, which appears to all eyes to be our weakness, has come forth all 
our strength, which has now brought us to the threshold of sovereignty over 
all the world."

The remarkable correspondence between these passages proves several things. 
It proves that the Learned Elders exist. It proves that Dr. Weizmann knows 
all about them. It proves that the desire for a "National Home" in Palestine 
is only camouflage and an infinitesimal part of the Jew's real object. It 
proves that the Jews of the world have no intention of settling in Palestine 
or any separate country, and that their annual prayer that they may all meet 
"Next Year in Jerusalem" is merely a piece of their characteristic 
make-believe. It also demonstrates that the Jews are now a world menace, and 
that the Aryan races will have to domicile them permanently out of Europe..

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#PREFACE




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WHO ARE THE ELDERS?
This is a secret which has not been revealed. They are the Hidden Hand. They 
are not the "Board of Deputies" (the Jewish Parliament in England) or the 
"Universal Israelite Alliance" which sits in Paris. But the late Walter 
Rathenau of the Allgemeiner Electricitaets Gesellschaft has thrown a little 
light on the subject and doubtless he was in possession of their names, 
being, in all likelihood, one of the chief leaders himself. Writing in the 
WIENER FREIE PRESSE, December 24, 1912, he said:

  "Three hundred men, each of whom knows all the others, govern the fate of 
the European continent, and they elect their successors from their 
entourage."

In the year 1844, on the eve of the Jewish Revolution of 1848, Benjamin 
Disraeli, whose real name was Israel, and who was a "damped," or baptized 
Jew, published his novel, CONINGSBY, in which occurs this ominous passage:

  "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined 
by those who are not behind the scenes."

And he went on to show that these personages were all Jews.

Now that Providence has brought to the light of day these secret Protocols 
all men may clearly see the hidden personages specified by Disraeli at work 
"behind the scenes" of all the Governments. This revelation entails on all 
peoples the grave responsibility of examining and revising AU FOND their 
attitude towards the Race and Nation which boasts of its survival over all 
Empires.

Notes I. - "Agentur" and "The Political."
There are two words in this translation which are unusual, the word 
"AGENTUR" and "political" used as a substantive, AGENTUR appears to be a 
word adopted from the original and it means the whole body of agents and 
agencies made use of by the Elders, whether members of the tribe or their 
Gentile tools.

By "the Political" Mr. Marsden means, not exactly the "body politic" but the 
entire machinery of politics.

Notes II - The Symbolic Snake of Judaism.
Protocol III opens with a reference to the Symbolic Snake of Judaism. In his 
Epilogue to the 1905 Edition of the Protocols, Nilus gives the following 
interesting account of this symbol:

"According to the records of secret Jewish Zionism, Solomon and other Jewish 
learned men already, in 929 B.C., thought out a scheme in theory for a 
peaceful conquest of the whole universe by Zion. As history developed, this 
scheme was worked out in detail and completed by men who were subsequently 
initiated in this question. These learned men decided by peaceful means to 
conquer the world for Zion with the slyness of the Symbolic Snake, whose 
head was to represent those who have been initiated into the plans of the 
Jewish administration, and the body of the Snake to represent the Jewish 
people - the administration was always kept secret, EVEN FROM THE JEWISH 
NATION ITSELF. As this Snake penetrated into the hearts of the nations which 
it encountered it undermined and devoured all the non-Jewish power of these 
States. It is foretold that the Snake has still to finish its work, strictly 
adhering to the designed plan, until the course which it has to run is 
closed by the return of its head to Zion and until, by this means, the Snake 
has completed its round of Europe and has encircled it - and until, by dint 
of enchaining Europe, it has encompassed the whole world. This it is to 
accomplish by using every endeavor to subdue the other countries by an 
ECONOMICAL CONQUEST. The return of the head of the Snake to Zion can only be 
accomplished after the power of all the Sovereign of Europe has been laid 
low, that is to say, when by means of economic crises and wholesale 
destruction effected everywhere, there shall have been brought about a 
spiritual demoralization and a moral corruption, chiefly with the assistance 
of Jewish women masquerading as French, Italians, etc.. These are the surest 
spreaders of licentiousness into the lives of the leading men at the heads 
of nations. A map of the course of the Symbolic Snake is shown as follows: - 
Its first stage in Europe was in 429 B.C. in Greece, where, about the time 
of Pericles, the Snake first started eating into the power of that country. 
The second stage was in Rome in the time of Augustus, about 69 B.C.. The 
third in Madrid in the time of Charles V, in A.D. 1552. The fourth in Paris 
about 1790, in the time of Louis XVI. The fifth in London from 1814 onwards 
(after the downfall of Napoleon). The sixth in Berlin in 1871 after the 
Franco-Prussian war. The seventh in St. Petersburg, over which is drawn the 
head of the Snake under the date of 1881. [This "Snake" is now being drawn 
through the Americas and in the United States of America, it has been 
partially identified as the "Council on Foreign Relations" (C.F.R.) and the 
"Trilateral Commission"]. All these States which the Snake traversed have 
had the foundations of their constitutions shaken, Germany, with its 
apparent power, forming no exception to the rule. In economic conditions, 
England and Germany are spared, but only till the conquest of Russia is 
accomplished by the Snake, on which at present [i.e., 1905] all its efforts 
are concentrated. The further course of the Snake is not shown on this map, 
but arrows indicate its next movement towards Moscow, Kieft and Odessa. It 
is now well known to us to what extent the latter cities form the centres of 
the militant Jewish race. Constantinople is shown as the last stage of the 
Snake's course before it reaches Jerusalem. (This map was drawn years before 
the occurrence of the "Young Turk" - i.e., Jewish - Revolution in Turkey).

Notes III. - The term "Goyim," meaning Gentile
or non-Jews, is used throughout the Protocols and is retained by Mr. 
Marsden.
przion1.htm 




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The author of this translation of the famous Protocols was himself a victim 
of the Revolution. He had lived for many years in Russia and was married to 
a Russian lady. Among his other activities in Russia he had been for a 
number of years a Russian Correspondent of the MORNING POST, a position 
which he occupied when the Revolution broke out, and his vivid descriptions 
of events in Russia will still be in the recollection of many of the readers 
of that Journal. Naturally he was singled out for the anger of the Soviet. 
On the day that Captain Cromie was murdered by Jews, Victor Marsden was 
arrested and thrown into the Peter-Paul Prison, expecting every day to have 
his name called out for execution. This, however, he escaped, and eventually 
he was allowed to return to England very much of a wreck in bodily health. 
However, he recovered under treatment and the devoted care of his wife and 
friends. One of the first things he undertook, as soon as he was able, was 
this translation of the Protocols. Mr. Marsden was eminently well qualified 
for the work. His intimate acquaintance with Russia, Russian life and the 
Russian language on the one hand, and his mastery of a terse literary 
English style on the other, placed him in a position of advantage which few 
others could claim. The consequence is that we have in his version an 
eminently readable work, and though the subject-matter is somewhat formless, 
Mr. Marsden's literary touch reveals the thread running through the 
twenty-four Protocols.

It may be said with truth that this work was carried out at the cost of Mr. 
Marsden's own life's blood. He told the writer of this Preface that he could 
not stand more than an hour at a time of his work on it in the British 
Museum, as the diabolical spirit of the matter which he was obliged to turn 
into English made him positively ill.

Mr. Marsden's connection with the MORNING POST was not severed by his return 
to England, and he was well enough to accept the post of special 
correspondent of that journal in the suite of H.R.H., the Prince of Wales on 
his Empire tour. From this he returned with the Prince, apparently in much 
better health, but within a few days of his landing he was taken suddenly 
ill, and died after a very brief illness.

May this work be his crowning monument! In it he has performed an immense 
service to the English-speaking world, and there can be little doubt that it 
will take its place in the first rank of the English versions of "THE 
PROTOCOLS of the Meetings of the LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION."




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article , salahjafar@hotmail.com says...
>>       If so, what about its Palestinian Arab population which by all
>> accounts has a second-class status in the Jewish state,
>>
>
>
> It cannot be that bad as not one Palestinian Arab has given up his
> Israeli citizenship to become a citizen of Palestine.

how do you know that arsehole? 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article , salahjafar@hotmail.com
> says...
>>       Every right-thinking person understands that Hizbullah can be
>> neutralized only by making peace with Syria, a peace for which we must 
>> give
>> back the Golan Heights. What is more important for us - peace or the 
>> Golan?
>
> Is peace with Syria worth the Golan? I doubt it. Even if we could trust
> Syria to keep its word which it never does.

SYRIA WILL HAVE YOU SCUM FOR LUNCH 




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 > The Golan. Especially since peace with Arabs is unattainable. They will
> not rest until Israel has been destroyed.

YOU CAN BET YOUR BALLS ON THAT ONE, BUSTER! 




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"According to the records of secret Jewish Zionism, Solomon and other Jewish 
learned men already, in 929 B.C., thought out a scheme in theory for a 
peaceful conquest of the whole universe by Zion. As history developed, this 
scheme was worked out in detail and completed by men who were subsequently 
initiated in this question. These learned men decided by peaceful means to 
conquer the world for Zion with the slyness of the Symbolic Snake, whose 
head was to represent those who have been initiated into the plans of the 
Jewish administration, and the body of the Snake to represent the Jewish 
people - the administration was always kept secret, EVEN FROM THE JEWISH 
NATION ITSELF. As this Snake penetrated into the hearts of the nations which 
it encountered it undermined and devoured all the non-Jewish power of these 
States. It is foretold that the Snake has still to finish its work, strictly 
adhering to the designed plan, until the course which it has to run is 
closed by the return of its head to Zion and until, by this means, the Snake 
has completed its round of Europe and has encircled it - and until, by dint 
of enchaining Europe, it has encompassed the whole world. This it is to 
accomplish by using every endeavor to subdue the other countries by an 
ECONOMICAL CONQUEST. The return of the head of the Snake to Zion can only be 
accomplished after the power of all the Sovereign of Europe has been laid 
low, that is to say, when by means of economic crises and wholesale 
destruction effected everywhere, there shall have been brought about a 
spiritual demoralization and a moral corruption, chiefly with the assistance 
of Jewish women masquerading as French, Italians, etc.. These are the surest 
spreaders of licentiousness into the lives of the leading men at the heads 
of nations. A map of the course of the Symbolic Snake is shown as follows: - 
Its first stage in Europe was in 429 B.C. in Greece, where, about the time 
of Pericles, the Snake first started eating into the power of that country. 
The second stage was in Rome in the time of Augustus, about 69 B.C.. The 
third in Madrid in the time of Charles V, in A.D. 1552. The fourth in Paris 
about 1790, in the time of Louis XVI. The fifth in London from 1814 onwards 
(after the downfall of Napoleon). The sixth in Berlin in 1871 after the 
Franco-Prussian war. The seventh in St. Petersburg, over which is drawn the 
head of the Snake under the date of 1881. [This "Snake" is now being drawn 
through the Americas and in the United States of America, it has been 
partially identified as the "Council on Foreign Relations" (C.F.R.) and the 
"Trilateral Commission"]. All these States which the Snake traversed have 
had the foundations of their constitutions shaken, Germany, with its 
apparent power, forming no exception to the rule. In economic conditions, 
England and Germany are spared, but only till the conquest of Russia is 
accomplished by the Snake, on which at present [i.e., 1905] all its efforts 
are concentrated. The further course of the Snake is not shown on this map, 
but arrows indicate its next movement towards Moscow, Kieft and Odessa. It 
is now well known to us to what extent the latter cities form the centres of 
the militant Jewish race. Constantinople is shown as the last stage of the 
Snake's course before it reaches Jerusalem. (This map was drawn years before 
the occurrence of the "Young Turk" - i.e., Jewish - Revolution in Turkey). 




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THE PROTOCOLS SAY IT ALL:
 "According to the records of secret Jewish Zionism, Solomon and other 
Jewish learned men already, in 929 B.C., thought out a scheme in theory for 
a peaceful conquest of the whole universe by Zion. As history developed, 
this scheme was worked out in detail and completed by men who were 
subsequently initiated in this question. These learned men decided by 
peaceful means to conquer the world for Zion with the slyness of the 
Symbolic Snake, whose head was to represent those who have been initiated 
into the plans of the Jewish administration, and the body of the Snake to 
represent the Jewish people - the administration was always kept secret, 
EVEN FROM THE JEWISH NATION ITSELF. As this Snake penetrated into the hearts 
of the nations which it encountered it undermined and devoured all the 
non-Jewish power of these States. It is foretold that the Snake has still to 
finish its work, strictly adhering to the designed plan, until the course 
which it has to run is closed by the return of its head to Zion and until, 
by this means, the Snake has completed its round of Europe and has encircled 
it - and until, by dint of enchaining Europe, it has encompassed the whole 
world. This it is to accomplish by using every endeavor to subdue the other 
countries by an ECONOMICAL CONQUEST. The return of the head of the Snake to 
Zion can only be accomplished after the power of all the Sovereign of Europe 
has been laid low, that is to say, when by means of economic crises and 
wholesale destruction effected everywhere, there shall have been brought 
about a spiritual demoralization and a moral corruption, chiefly with the 
assistance of Jewish women masquerading as French, Italians, etc.. These are 
the surest spreaders of licentiousness into the lives of the leading men at 
the heads of nations. A map of the course of the Symbolic Snake is shown as 
follows: - Its first stage in Europe was in 429 B.C. in Greece, where, about 
the time of Pericles, the Snake first started eating into the power of that 
country. The second stage was in Rome in the time of Augustus, about 69 
B.C.. The third in Madrid in the time of Charles V, in A.D. 1552. The fourth 
in Paris about 1790, in the time of Louis XVI. The fifth in London from 1814 
onwards (after the downfall of Napoleon). The sixth in Berlin in 1871 after 
the Franco-Prussian war. The seventh in St. Petersburg, over which is drawn 
the head of the Snake under the date of 1881. [This "Snake" is now being 
drawn through the Americas and in the United States of America, it has been 
partially identified as the "Council on Foreign Relations" (C.F.R.) and the 
"Trilateral Commission"]. All these States which the Snake traversed have 
had the foundations of their constitutions shaken, Germany, with its 
apparent power, forming no exception to the rule. In economic conditions, 
England and Germany are spared, but only till the conquest of Russia is 
accomplished by the Snake, on which at present [i.e., 1905] all its efforts 
are concentrated. The further course of the Snake is not shown on this map, 
but arrows indicate its next movement towards Moscow, Kieft and Odessa. It 
is now well known to us to what extent the latter cities form the centres of 
the militant Jewish race. Constantinople is shown as the last stage of the 
Snake's course before it reaches Jerusalem. (This map was drawn years before 
the occurrence of the "Young Turk" - i.e., Jewish - Revolution in Turkey). 




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On May 7, 12:56 pm, "Mich"  wrote:
> "Simon the Cynic"  wrote in messagenews:5a8s33F2njikqU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > ElParedon wrote:
> >> INTRODUCTION
> >> Of the Protocols themselves little need be said in the way of
> >> introduction.
>
> > Only one thing. They are a forgery as any fool knows.

Tell me about it, I am all ears waiting to hear jew "truth"



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From: Venceremos 
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On May 7, 1:19 am, cactus  wrote:
> J Young wrote:
> > Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
> > of this great historical record. Let the reader decide.
>
> And the only apologists for this forgery are antisemitic bigots,
> hatemongers and the like.  No decent person has anything to do with that
> piece of lying crap any more.


In United States this is one of the best sellers. Are you kidding me?



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On May 7, 11:34 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Hatemonger Alex "ElParedon" Seredin  wrote:
>
> [the usual anti-Jewish claptrap flushed down the seredin]
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?documents/protocols/maurice-joly-and-pro...
>
> The 24 Protocols of the Elders of Zion profess to be the
>   minutes of a meeting of Jews convened in the last years of
>   the 19th century.  They contain incredible statements of a
>   plot by Jews to overthrow the world:

AND INCREDIBLY JEWS FOLLOW EVERY TENET OF THE PROTOCOLS TO THE LETTER
TO THIS VERY DAY!!!!

I Have seen the original in the British Museum



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"DoD"  wrote in message 
news:xLJ%h.5591$dd.3026@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> Is the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Hamza al-Masri, dead? Iraqi
> authorities just proclaimed that he was recently killed due to infighting.
> But al Qaeda-related websites beg to differ: "[H]e is still fighting the
> enemies of Allah." And the U.S. is unsure: "I [Lieutenant-Colonel Garver]
> hope it's true; we're checking, but we're going to be doubly sure before 
> we
> can confirm anything." The most important question, however, isn't being
> much addressed: Would the death of al-Masri - or any other Islamist 
> leader -
> make any difference, at all?

NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL! ADAM PEARLMAN THE NEW JEWISH LEADER OF "AL QAE DA" IS 
STANDING IN THE WINGS TO TAKE ZIONAZI AL QAEDE OVER . 




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From: "ElParedon" 
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Every now and then, journalists who have shown excellence in their work are 
rewarded. A prize that recognises their investigative skills and critical 
thinking is a worthy achievement; a prize that rewards them for using their 
profession to "conspicuously" support a foreign state in conflict, is not. 
Rather, it raises questions about their impartiality, good judgment and 
integrity. Their professionalism can no longer be trusted.

It happened in Australia this past week. Greg Sheridan, billed as "the most 
influential foreign affairs analyst in Australian journalism" by his 
newspaper "The Australian" was awarded the annual Jerusalem Prize by the 
State Zionist Council of NSW. According to its president Frank Levy, "The 
prize is awarded to someone who fosters and supports the state of Israel and 
its ideologies, the concept of the Jewish homeland and the Jewish community, 
particularly in Australia."

Sheridan saw nothing wrong in accepting the prize, but many Australians did. 
In fact, Sheridan wrote a loose article "Rare support for democracy in a sea 
of misunderstanding" (The Australian 3/5) in response to the mail he 
received urging him not to accept the prize and was at great pains to 
explain that he had not compromised his independence as a commentator 
because he believed Israel--quoting the former pro-Israel president of 
Indonesia, Abdurrahman Wahid--"is a democracy in a sea of misunderstanding".

Anxious to justify his position, Sheridan referred to the illustrious 
recipients of the prize worldwide including our own Liberal Foreign Minister 
Alexander Downer and a former Labor lord mayor of Sydney and current NSW 
minister, Frank Sartor. Sheridan wanted to make sure that bipartisan support 
for Israel in Australia was really understood and he pointed to both Liberal 
Prime Minister Howard and Labor Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd as avid 
supporters of Israel's democracy.

After all the names Sheridan dropped to validate his own selection for the 
prize, Israel's democracy emerged as the prime reason for Sheridan's 
unquestioning support, not because it is perfect, but because being 
anti-Israel is "fundamentally irrational and evidence of psychological and 
ideological dysfunction rather than genuine analysis."

There is no room in Sheridan's argument for an irrational and dysfunctional 
Israel and the ideology in which it is rooted. If any of its actions are 
mistakes that should be understood because "any democratic nation makes 
plenty of mistakes and sometimes it makes moral mistakes." But, he does not 
allow for other forms of government and leaders to make mistakes. Sheridan 
raises Saddam's responsibility for the killing of 300,000 to 400,000 of his 
own citizens: he does not mention that Israel slipped through the legal and 
moral net without condemnation when it deliberately killed hundreds of 
Palestinians and terrorised some 750,000 others to flee their homes and 
homeland in 1948.

Sheridan's snapshot look at history gives an out-of-context account of 
Israel's birth, ignoring the well-documented massacres and complete razing 
of Palestinian villages and towns that Israel executed to gain a permanent 
foothold in all of Palestine. None of that is in the least justified by 
Sheridan's statement that "there have always been Jews in Palestine." 
Indeed, it would have been helpful for him to point out that most of those 
Jews who lived in Palestine over the centuries were in fact Palestinians. 
Just like there are Palestinians who are Christians, and of course, Muslims. 
The European Jews filtered in when they fled persecution in Christian Spain 
in the Middle Ages, but it was not until modern times that the European 
Jewish population in Palestine swelled in number after Zionists forced their 
mass exodus to Palestine in the aftermath of the European holocaust. This 
was the realisation of the great Zionist colonialist experiment that had no 
predilection for democracy.

There was nothing fair about the Partition that created Israel, giving the 
minority European Jewish population a greater portion of the land belonging 
to the majority Palestinian population. And there has been no fairness for 
the Palestinians since, despite Sheridan raising the old canard of Barak's 
"generous" offer. The 95 per cent of the West Bank and Gaza that Sheridan 
says was offered to the Palestinians was once again not put in context.

For years, the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) had called for a 
two-state solution agreeing to Israel keeping 78 per cent of the former 
British-mandated Palestine while the Palestinians would form their state on 
the remaining 22 per cent that Israel has occupied since the 1967 war. At 
Camp David 2000, Barak's offer actually amounted to only a bare 8.3 per cent 
of the original Palestinian homeland from which they had been driven in 
1948. In exchange for withdrawing completely from Gaza as well as the offer 
of a small piece of land in the Negev Desert that Israel had used as a toxic 
waste dump, Israel would annex the most fertile and strategically important 
areas of the West Bank while maintaining control over the Palestinian 
state's borders, air space and the land's scarce water resources--and with 
Israel's military free to intervene at any time. Effectively, what was 
offered were four non-contiguous parcels of land which would force 
Palestinians to cross Israeli territory every time they travelled or shipped 
their goods between each other and with no free access to their own 
international borders with Jordan and Egypt. Had Arafat agreed to this, he 
would have effectively waived any further Palestinian claims against Israel. 
That would have been political suicide for the Palestinians already being 
subjected to these Orwellian restrictions.

Moving on, Sheridan says that Israel made this "generous" offer in exchange 
for a peace that would accept Israel's legitimacy. Because Arafat refused, 
Sheridan then makes the quantum leap to deduce that Arafat "had never 
accepted that Israel had a right to exist at all." Nowhere does Sheridan 
explain that all the while these negotiations were taking place, Israel's 
illegal settlement expansionism was still going on. In fact, the Israeli 
bureau of statistics reported that settlement building had increased 81 per 
cent in the first quarter of 2000. (Report on Israeli Settlement in the 
Occupied Territories, 11-12/00) Nowhere does Sheridan describe the nightly 
military raids into Palestinian cities, towns and villages, the killings, 
home demolitions, arrests, humiliations and indignities suffered by the 
Palestinian population. Nowhere does he mention the frenzied attacks by the 
Israeli settlers, who have no moral qualms about allowing their children to 
hurl stones and abuse at Palestinian women and children as they try to make 
their way to school or home. Instead, he asks the reader to empathise with 
the Israelis who he says are forced to defend themselves from the constant 
threats and attacks driven by "hate-filled and anti-Semitic propaganda 
designed to make schoolchildren despise the Jews". Israel's democracy, 
therefore, has an excuse for war; Palestinians under occupation have none.

For an experienced foreign affairs journalist, Sheridan shows an amazing 
reluctance to examine the realities of Israel's "democracy" at work. His 
article relies on the same old and now-debunked myths and arguments that no 
self-respecting journalist ought to employ. Even if Sheridan is convinced 
that "Israel is a democracy in good standing" he ought to be asking for 
whom? Israel has made no secret of its intention to be a Jewish state only, 
so it is no wonder that Israel's 1.2 million Palestinian citizens ­ the 
survivors and descendants of the 1948 Zionist ethnic cleansing of 
Palestine--see themselves increasingly isolated and alienated from Israeli 
society. It won't be long before Israel will have to declare its hand: is it 
"a state of the Jewish people throughout the world" as it defines itself, or 
a state of all its citizens, both Jewish and non-Jewish? Perhaps Sheridan 
sees this as yet another issue that must be left for Israel's "vibrant, 
genuine problem-solving democracy" to solve. In the meantime, Sheridan 
should indeed congratulate himself on the "great honour" of being awarded 
the Jerusalem Prize for no other reason than having supported Israel so 
"conspicuously".

Sonja Karkar is the founder and president of Women for Palestine in 
Melbourne, Australia. See www.womenforpalestine.com 




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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> On May 7, 10:40 am, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> Jamal Abdel Nasser advocated the Jews must be thrown into the sea. Now 
>> that
>> I am older, I understand why, because he wants to make sure, the Sharks 
>> and
>> every fish feeds on these animals. So down the line of History they will 
>> not
>> show us few bones and claim another Holohoax and the 6 million lies they
>> have blamed the poor German.  I say, the destruction of the entire so 
>> called
>> Jewish Population is the only solution to world peace.
>> SJ
>
> but we jews kicked his sorry ass in 1956 and 1967.

YOU JEWS DID SWEET FUCK ALL, IF IT WAS NOT FOR SIXTH FLEET AND ENORMOUS U.S. 
ARMS SHIPMENTS YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN BACK IN MATUSHKA ROSSIYA 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> The International Solidarity Movement never misses a beat when it comes to
> propaganda against Israel on US college campuses. In December of 2003, I
> attended their third national conference where one seminar discussed
> infiltrating Jewish groups in America to try and persuade American Jews 
> that
> Israel was a pariah state, an apartheid regime akin to the former South
> Africa and a country no American Jew would want to support. Young American
> students are the targets for such indoctrination because they hold the
> future of American relations with Israel in their hands. The ISM is 
> working
> in sync with Saudi-funded ex-president Jimmy Carter in furiously doing 
> tours
> on American college campuses for just this purpose.
>
> This week, UC Irvine is featuring a "Holocaust survivor" named Hedy 
> Epstein
> who will tell students on the Orange County campus how horrible Israel is
> and promote the goals of the PLO to dismantle the Jewish state.

You stupid arsehole! I live amongst the American Jews, many thousands of 
them. Majority of these fine people support disfranchisement of the ZioNazi 
state, and withdrawal of the US troops from Middle East. In Fact well over 
half the anti war movement consists of Jews.
Jews stand right alongside the Palestinians protesting the massacres of 
Palestinians, and you are trying  to portray the Jewish comunity as 
supportive the ZioFascism.

You are crazy and far removed from reality 




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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Hatemonger Alex "ElParedon" Seredin 
>  wrote:
>
> [the usual anti-Jewish claptrap flushed down the seredin]
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?documents/protocols/maurice-joly-and-protocols
>
> The 24 Protocols of the Elders of Zion profess to be the
>  minutes of a meeting of Jews convened in the last years of
>  the 19th century.  They contain incredible statements of a
>  plot by Jews to overthrow the world:  "We shall create by
>  all the secret subterranian methods open to us and with the
>  aid of gold, which is all in our hands, a universal
>  economic crises whereby we shall throw upon the streets
>  whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the ocuntries
>  of Europe." (Third Protocol)
>
>  They are a base fraud.
>
>  They first appeared widely during the Civil war that
>  followed the Russian Revolution of 1917, used by Tsarists
>  to discredit Bolsheviks.

LIAR MCVAY! Protocols were commonly discussed in St Petersburg in the late 
19th century. They had nothing to do with either Bolsheviks nor the Czarist 
police.
The possesion of the protocols under the Bolshevik regime, meant certain 
death by firing squad on the spot. If Czarists used protocols to discredit 
Bolsheviks, don't you think that the possesion of the Protocols would be 
punishable by death by bolsheviks 




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1. I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic roots of King David 
to the last strata of the earth.

2. This confirmation will first and foremost be included in that which to 
this day has rested the force of conservatism by our learned elders of the 
conduct of the affairs of the world, in the directing of the education of 
thought of all humanity.

3. Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their 
heirs, selecting not by right of heritage but by eminent capacities, 
inducting them into the most secret mysteries of the political, into schemes 
of government, but providing always that none may come to knowledge of the 
secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may know that 
government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the 
secret places of its art ....

4. To these persons only will be taught the practical application of the 
aforenamed plans by comparison of the experiences of many centuries, all the 
observations on the politico-economic moves and social sciences - in a word, 
all the spirit of laws which have been unshakably established by nature 
herself for the regulation of the relations of humanity.

5. Direct heirs will often be set aside from ascending the throne if in 
their time of training they exhibit frivolity, softness and other qualities 
that are the ruin of authority, which render them incapable of governing and 
in themselves dangerous for kingly office.

6. Only those who are unconditionally capable for firm, even if it be to 
cruelty, direct rule will receive the reins of rule from our learned elders.

7. In case of falling sick with weakness of will or other form of 
incapacity. kings must by law hand over the reins of rule to new and capable 
hands.

8. The king's plan of action for the current moment, and all the more so for 
the future, will be unknown, even to those who are called his closest 
counselors.

KING OF THE JEWS
9. Only the king and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is 
coming.

10. In the person of the king who with unbending will is master of himself 
and of humanity all will discern as it were fate with its mysterious ways. 
None will know what the king wishes to attain by his dispositions, and 
therefore none will dare to stand across an unknown path.

11. It is understood that the brain reservoir of the king must correspond in 
capacity to the plan of government it has to contain. It is for this reason 
that he will ascend the throne not otherwise than after examination of his 
mind by the aforesaid learned elders.

12. That the people may know and love their king, it is indispensable for 
him to converse in the market-places with his people. This ensures the 
necessary clinching of the two forces which are now divided one from another 
by us by the terror.

13. This terror was indispensable for us till the time comes for both these 
forces separately to fall under our influence.

14. The king of the Jews must not be at the mercy of his passions, and 
especially of sensuality: on no side of his character must he give brute 
instincts power over his mind. Sensuality worse than all else disorganizes 
the capacities of the mind and clearness of views, distracting the thoughts 
to the worst and most brutal side of human activity.




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 > See The Book in a way you have never seen it before.
> In a way that no single religion has wanted you to see it.
> In a way that no single religion can show you.

KING OF THE JEWS:
PROTOCOL 24
1. I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic roots of King David 
to the last strata of the earth.

2. This confirmation will first and foremost be included in that which to 
this day has rested the force of conservatism by our learned elders of the 
conduct of the affairs of the world, in the directing of the education of 
thought of all humanity.

3. Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their 
heirs, selecting not by right of heritage but by eminent capacities, 
inducting them into the most secret mysteries of the political, into schemes 
of government, but providing always that none may come to knowledge of the 
secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may know that 
government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the 
secret places of its art ....

4. To these persons only will be taught the practical application of the 
aforenamed plans by comparison of the experiences of many centuries, all the 
observations on the politico-economic moves and social sciences - in a word, 
all the spirit of laws which have been unshakably established by nature 
herself for the regulation of the relations of humanity.

5. Direct heirs will often be set aside from ascending the throne if in 
their time of training they exhibit frivolity, softness and other qualities 
that are the ruin of authority, which render them incapable of governing and 
in themselves dangerous for kingly office.

6. Only those who are unconditionally capable for firm, even if it be to 
cruelty, direct rule will receive the reins of rule from our learned elders.

7. In case of falling sick with weakness of will or other form of 
incapacity. kings must by law hand over the reins of rule to new and capable 
hands.

8. The king's plan of action for the current moment, and all the more so for 
the future, will be unknown, even to those who are called his closest 
counselors.

KING OF THE JEWS
9. Only the king and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is 
coming.

10. In the person of the king who with unbending will is master of himself 
and of humanity all will discern as it were fate with its mysterious ways. 
None will know what the king wishes to attain by his dispositions, and 
therefore none will dare to stand across an unknown path.

11. It is understood that the brain reservoir of the king must correspond in 
capacity to the plan of government it has to contain. It is for this reason 
that he will ascend the throne not otherwise than after examination of his 
mind by the aforesaid learned elders.

12. That the people may know and love their king, it is indispensable for 
him to converse in the market-places with his people. This ensures the 
necessary clinching of the two forces which are now divided one from another 
by us by the terror.

13. This terror was indispensable for us till the time comes for both these 
forces separately to fall under our influence.

14. The king of the Jews must not be at the mercy of his passions, and 
especially of sensuality: on no side of his character must he give brute 
instincts power over his mind. Sensuality worse than all else disorganizes 
the capacities of the mind and clearness of views, distracting the thoughts 
to the worst and most brutal side of human activity.




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.20a8486e1d6f0016989df5@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article <1178406714.997010.75760@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >> On May 5, 11:00 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>> >> > In article <_CS_h.11362$TD3.9...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
>> >> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>> >> >
>> >> > >       WHAT THESE IDIOTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT TORTURE AND
>> >> > > BEATINGS ARE A
>> >> > > TWO WAY STREET.
>> >> >
>> >> > Idiot who started this street Alex?
>> >>
>> >> I AM SURE THAT BEING A JEW YOU WOULD BLAME THE VICTIM!
>> >
>> > Unfortunately it is true that Jews are often victims!
>> DID I HEAR THAT BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE BEFORE?
>
> If you heard this you heard the truth unfortunately your mind was to
> closed to accept it.

What the fuck do you want? Don't you think that some other people also went 
through terrible times in WWII?  Don't you think that some of us also 
starved, were imprisoned and killed?

No you want to tell the world that you have suffered more than anyone so you 
deserve more money than anyone.

Fuck you 




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PROTOCOL No. 17
  1. The practice of advocacy produces men cold, cruel, persistent, 
unprincipled, who in all cases take up an impersonal, purely legal 
standpoint. They have the inveterate habit to refer everything to its value 
for the defense and not to the public welfare of its results. They do not 
usually decline to undertake any defense whatever, they strive for an 
acquittal at all costs, caviling over every petty crux of jurisprudence and 
thereby they demoralize justice. For this reason we shall set this 
profession into narrow frames which will keep it inside this sphere of 
executive public service. Advocates, equally with judges, will be deprived 
of the right of communication with litigants; they will receive business 
only from the court and will study it by notes of report and documents, 
defending their clients after they have been interrogated in court on facts 
that have appeared. They will receive an honorarium without regard to the 
quality of the defense. This will render them mere reporters on law-business 
in the interests of justice and as counterpoise to the proctor who will be 
the reporter in the interests of prosecution; this will shorten business 
before the courts. In this way will be established a practice of honest 
unprejudiced defense conducted not from personal interest but by conviction. 
This will also, by the way, remove the present practice of corrupt bargain 
between advocation to agree only to let that side win which pays most .....

  WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY
  2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE 
"GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days 
might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the 
peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN 
DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE 
COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall 
have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature 
to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such 
narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to 
its former progress.

  3. When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an 
invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the 
nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its 
defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this diversion we shall 
penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until 
we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place.

  4. THE KING OF THE JEWS WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE 
PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH

  5. But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are re-educating youth in new 
traditional religions and afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A 
FINGER ON EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM BY CRITICISM 
CALCULATED TO PRODUCE SCHISM . . .

  6. In general, then, our contemporary press will continue to CONVICT State 
affairs, religions, incapacities of the GOYIM, always using the most 
unprincipled expressions in order by every means to lower their prestige in 
the manner which can only be practiced by the genius of our gifted tribe . . 
. (Calling the Jim Jones massacre in Guyana a mass suicide, not a 
C.I.A./MK-ULTRA/U.S. Government massacre? Denying the massacre of the Branch 
Dravidian sect at Waco, Texas, was a needless and deliberate massacre by the 
B.A.T.F./F.B.I/C.I.A/U.S. Government).

  7. Our kingdom will be an apologia of the divinity Vishnu, in whom is 
found its personification - in our hundred hands will be, one in each, the 
springs of the machinery of social life. We shall see everything without the 
aid of official police which, in that scope of its rights which we 
elaborated for the use of the GOYIM, hinders governments from seeing. In our 
programs ONE-THIRD OF OUR SUBJECTS WILL KEEP THE REST UNDER OBSERVATION from 
a sense of duty, on the principle of volunteer service to the State. It will 
then be no disgrace to be a spy and informer, but a merit: unfounded 
denunciations, however, will be cruelly punished that there may be no 
development of abuses of this right.

  8. Our agents will be taken from the higher as well as the lower ranks of 
society, from among the administrative class who spend their time in 
amusements, editors, printers and publishers, booksellers, clerks, and 
salesmen, workmen, coachmen, lackeys, et cetera. This body, having no rights 
and not being empowered to take any action on their own account, and 
consequently a police without any power, will only witness and report: 
verification of their reports and arrests will depend upon a responsible 
group of controllers of police affairs, while the actual act of arrest will 
be performed by the gendarmerie and the municipal police. Any person not 
denouncing anything seen or heard concerning questions of polity will also 
be charged with and made responsible for concealment, if it be proved that 
he is guilty of this crime.

  9. JUST AS NOWADAYS OUR BRETHREN, ARE OBLIGED AT THEIR OWN RISK TO 
DENOUNCE TO THE KAHAL APOSTATES OF THEIR OWN FAMILY or members who have been 
noticed doing anything in opposition to the KAHAL, SO IN OUR KINGDOM OVER 
ALL THE WORLD IT WILL BE OBLIGATORY FOR ALL OUR SUBJECTS TO OBSERVE THE DUTY 
OF SERVICE TO THE STATE IN THIS DIRECTION.

  10. Such an organization will extirpate abuses of authority, of force, of 
bribery, everything in fact which we by our counsels, by our theories of the 
superhuman rights of man, have introduced into the customs of the GOYIM .... 
But how else were we to procure that increase of causes predisposing to 
disorders in the midst of their administration? .... Among the number of 
those methods one of the most important is - agents for the restoration of 
order, so placed as to have the opportunity in their disintegrating activity 
of developing and displaying their evil inclinations - obstinate 
self-conceit, irresponsible exercise of authority, and, first and foremost, 
venality. (Janet Reno? B.A.T.F.? C.I.A.?)




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PROTOCOL No. 10
    1. To-day I begin with a repetition of what I said before, and I BEG YOU 
TO BEAR IN MIND THAT GOVERNMENTS AND PEOPLE ARE CONTENT IN THE POLITICAL 
WITH OUTSIDE APPEARANCES. And how, indeed, are the GOYIM to perceive the 
underlying meaning of things when their representatives give the best of 
their energies to enjoying themselves? For our policy it is of the greatest 
importance to take cognizance of this detail; it will be of assistance to us 
when we come to consider the division of authority of property, of the 
dwelling, of taxation (the idea of concealed taxes), of the reflex force of 
the laws. All these questions are such as ought not to be touched upon 
directly and openly before the people. In cases where it is indispensable to 
touch upon them they must not be categorically named, it must merely be 
declared without detailed exposition that the principles of contemporary law 
are acknowledged by us. The reason of keeping silence in this respect is 
that by not naming a principle we leave ourselves freedom of action, to drop 
this or that out of it without attracting notice; if they were all 
categorically named they would all appear to have been already given.

    2. The mob cherishes a special affection and respect for the geniuses of 
political power and accepts all their deeds of violence with the admiring 
response: "rascally, well, yes, it is rascally, but it's clever! ... a 
trick, if you like, but how craftily played, how magnificently done, what 
impudent audacity!" ...

    OUR GOAL - WORLD POWER
    3. We count upon attracting all nations to the task of erecting the new 
fundamental structure, the project for which has been drawn up by us. This 
is why, before everything, it is indispensable for us to arm ourselves and 
to store up in ourselves that absolutely reckless audacity and irresistible 
might of the spirit which in the person of our active workers will break 
down all hindrances on our way.

    4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D'ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE 
VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT 
WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - 
NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES. YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF 
COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF 
IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING 
YOU." ... THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A 
UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE 
INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD BY TEACHING EVEN THE 
VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF 
MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND 
WILL PLAY ITS PART THEN FOR THE LAST TIME BY A UNANIMITY OF DESIRE TO MAKE 
CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH US BEFORE CONDEMNING US.

    5. TO SECURE THIS WE MUST HAVE EVERYBODY VOTE WITHOUT DISTINCTION OF 
CLASSES AND QUALIFICATIONS, in order to establish an absolute majority, 
which cannot be got from the educated propertied classes. In this way, by 
inculcating in all a sense of self-importance, we shall destroy among the 
GOYIM the importance of the family and its educational value and remove the 
possibility of individual minds splitting off, for the mob, handled by us, 
will not let them come to the front nor even give them a hearing; it is 
accustomed to listen to us only who pay it for obedience and attention. In 
this way we shall create a blind, mighty force which will never be in a 
position to move in any direction without the guidance of our agents set at 
its head by us as leaders of the mob. The people will submit to this regime 
because it will know that upon these leaders will depend its earnings, 
gratifications and the receipt of all kinds of benefits.

    6. A scheme of government should come ready made from one brain, because 
it will never be clinched firmly if it is allowed to be split into 
fractional parts in the minds of many. It is allowable, therefore, for us to 
have cognizance of the scheme of action but not to discuss it lest we 
disturb its artfulness, the interdependence of its component parts, the 
practical force of the secret meaning of each clause. To discuss and make 
alterations in a labor of this kind by means of numerous votings is to 
impress upon it the stamp of all ratiocinations and misunderstandings which 
have failed to penetrate the depth and nexus of its plottings. We want our 
schemes to be forcible and suitably concocted. Therefore WE OUGHT NOT TO 
FLING THE WORK OF GENIUS OF OUR GUIDE to the fangs of the mob or even of a 
select company.

    7. These schemes will not turn existing institutions upside down just 
yet. They will only effect changes in their economy and consequently in the 
whole combined movement of their progress, which will thus be directed along 
the paths laid down in our schemes.

    POISON OF LIBERALISM
    8. Under various names there exists in all countries approximately one 
and the same thing. Representation, Ministry, Senate, State Council, 
Legislative and Executive Corps. I need not explain to you the mechanism of 
the relation of these institutions to one another, because you are aware of 
all that; only take note of the fact that each of the above-named 
institutions corresponds to some important function of the State, and I 
would beg you to remark that the word "important" I apply not to the 
institution but to the function, consequently it is not the institutions 
which are important but their functions. These institutions have divided up 
among themselves all the functions of government - administrative, 
legislative, executive, wherefore they have come to operate as do the organs 
in the human body. If we injure one part in the machinery of State, the 
State falls sick, like a human body, and ... will die.

    9. When we introduced into the State organism the poison of Liberalism 
its whole political complexion underwent a change. States have been seized 
with a mortal illness - blood poisoning. All that remains is to await the 
end of their death agony.

    10. Liberalism produced Constitutional States, which took the place of 
what was the only safeguard of the GOYIM, namely, Despotism; and A 
CONSTITUTION, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IS NOTHING ELSE BUT A SCHOOL OF DISCORDS, 
misunderstandings, quarrels, disagreements, fruitless party agitations, 
party whims - in a word, a school of everything that serves to destroy the 
personality of State activity. THE TRIBUNE OF THE "TALKERIES" HAS, NO LESS 
EFFECTIVELY THAN THE PRESS, CONDEMNED THE RULERS TO INACTIVITY AND 
IMPOTENCE, and thereby rendered them useless and superfluous, for which 
reason indeed they have been in many countries deposed. THEN IT WAS THAT THE 
ERA OF REPUBLICS BECOME POSSIBLE OF REALIZATION; AND THEN IT WAS THAT WE 
REPLACED THE RULER BY A CARICATURE OF A GOVERNMENT - BY A PRESIDENT, TAKEN 
>FROM THE MOB, FROM THE MIDST OF OUR PUPPET CREATURES, OR SLAVES. This was 
the foundation of the mine which we have laid under the GOY people, I should 
rather say, under the GOY peoples.

    WE NAME PRESIDENTS
    11. In the near future we shall establish the responsibility of 
presidents.

    12. By that time we shall be in a position to disregard forms in 
carrying through matters for which our impersonal puppet will be 
responsible. What do we care if the ranks of those striving for power should 
be thinned, if there should arise a deadlock from the impossibility of 
finding presidents, a deadlock which will finally disorganize the country? 
...

    13. In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange 
elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, 
undiscovered stain, some "Panama" or other - then they will be trustworthy 
agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and 
>from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the 
retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office 
of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, 
will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, 
or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the 
responsible president, a puppet in our hands. Naturally, the authority of 
the presidents will then become a target for every possible form of attack, 
but we shall provide him with a means of self-defense in the right of an 
appeal to the people, for the decision of the people over the heads of their 
representatives, that is to say, an appeal to that same blind slave of 
ours - the majority of the mob. Independently of this we shall invest the 
president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this 
last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of 
the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defense of 
the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to 
him as the responsible representative of this constitution. (Iran? Grenada? 
Kuwait? Iraq? Panama? Somalia? Bosnia? Kosovo? Indonesia?)

    14. It is easy to understand that in these conditions the key of the 
shrine will lie in our hands, and no one outside ourselves will any longer 
direct the force of legislation.

    15. Besides this we shall, with the introduction of the new republican 
constitution, take from the Chamber the right of interpolation on government 
measures, on the pretext of preserving political secrecy, and, further, we 
shall by the new constitution reduce the number of representatives to a 
minimum, thereby proportionately reducing political passions and the passion 
for politics. If, however, they should, which is hardly to be expected, 
burst into flame, even in this minimum, we shall nullify them by a stirring 
appeal and a reference to the majority of the whole people ... Upon the 
president will depend the appointment of presidents and vice-presidents of 
the Chamber and the Senate. Instead of constant sessions of Parliaments we 
shall reduce their sittings to a few months. Moreover, the president, as 
chief of the executive power, will have the right to summon and dissolve 
Parliament, and, in the latter case, to prolong the time for the appointment 
of a new parliamentary assembly. But in order that the consequences of all 
these acts which in substance are illegal, should not, prematurely for our 
plans, fall upon the responsibility established by us of the president, WE 
SHALL INSTIGATE MINISTERS AND OTHER OFFICIALS OF THE HIGHER ADMINISTRATION 
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TO EVADE HIS DISPOSITIONS BY TAKING MEASURES OF THEIR 
OWN, for doing which they will be made the scapegoats in his place ... This 
part we especially recommend to be given to be played by the Senate, the 
Council of State, or the Council of Ministers, but not to an individual 
official.

    16. The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such 
of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation; he will further 
annul them when we indicate to him the necessity to do so, besides this, he 
will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures in 
the government constitutional working, the pretext both for the one and the 
other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the State. 
(Presidential Decrees such as F.D.R. employed to debase the US dollar and 
steal the gold and to place the U.S. under a permanent State of Emergency 
and War against its own citizens?)

    WE SHALL DESTROY
    17. By such measure we shall obtain the power of destroying little by 
little, step by step, all that at the outset when we enter on our rights, we 
are compelled to introduce into the constitutions of States to prepare for 
the transition to an imperceptible abolition of every kind of constitution, 
and then the time is come to turn every form of government into OUR 
DESPOTISM.

    18. The recognition of our despot may also come before the destruction 
of the constitution; the moment for this recognition will come when the 
peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetence - a matter 
which we shall arrange for - of their rulers, will clamor: "Away with them 
and give us one king over all the earth who will unite us and annihilate the 
causes of disorders - frontiers, nationalities, religions, State debts - who 
will give us peace and quiet which we cannot find under our rulers and 
representatives."

    19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that TO PRODUCE THE 
POSSIBILITY OF THE EXPRESSION OF SUCH WISHES BY ALL THE NATIONS IT IS 
INDISPENSABLE TO TROUBLE IN ALL COUNTRIES THE PEOPLE'S RELATIONS WITH THEIR 
GOVERNMENTS SO AS TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENSION, HATRED, 
STRUGGLE, ENVY AND EVEN BY THE USE OF TORTURE, BY STARVATION, BY THE 
INOCULATION OF DISEASES, BY WANT, SO THAT THE "GOYIM" SEE NO OTHER ISSUE 
THAN TO TAKE REFUGE IN OUR COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY IN MONEY AND IN ALL ELSE.

    20. But if we give the nations of the world a breathing space the moment 
we long for is hardly likely ever to arrive.




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote:
>
>> There are about 3 million Arab Americans,
>
> And until about 1970, the great majority of them were Christians....

God bless them. We are all one, unlike the Christians 




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"AnonMoos"  wrote in message 
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> -- "The Arabs "invented printing"?
>
> -- Stalin was not calling the shots in the Soviet Union from
> 1929-1953?
JEWS WERE CALLING THE SHOTS FROM 1917 ON. When the jews bayonetted Czars 
children through their eyes, they did not ask permission from Lenin or 
Stalin, It is Sverlov (a Jew) who irdered it.

>
> -- "Genghis Khan conquered Europe"?
GOOD CHUNK OF IT
>
> -- There are no ancient inscriptions containing the word "Israel"?
THERE ARE NONE, ANYWHERE!
>
> -- There were less than 4,000,000 Jews in Europe (to the Urals) in
> 1938?
I SAID UNDER HITLER'S CONTROL STUPID. HITLER DID NOT CONTROL URALS NOR MOST 
OF EUROPEAN RUSSIA. HE DID NOT EVEN CONTROL ST.PETERSBURG
>
> -- When the allies were still bogged down fighting in Normandy after
> D-Day, the Soviets were already taking the outskirts of Berlin?
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

General Tolbukhin's First ukrainian Front took Belgrade on October 11 1944, 
and month later the same troops surrounded Budapest. general Malinovski 
Third Front was on the outskirts of Prague about November 1944. Prague is 
only about 1.5 hour drive from Berlin.

I know because I was there and will never forget it 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.20a84ba06fb093a4989df8@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article ,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >> The violence and killing that Bush brought to Iraq has spread 
>> >> antagonism
>> >> between Sunni and Shiite throughout the Middle East with potentially
>> >> draconian consequences.
>> >>
>>  SAVAGE OCCUPIERS ARE SEBDING DEATH SQUADS TO KILL SUNNIS ONE DAY AND HIA
>> THE NEXT, IN ORDER TO PROVOKE THE SECTARIAN CONFLICT, THEY DID THE SAME 
>> IN
>> GUATEMALA AND AMERICA SUR!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Alex long before the US existed, Sunni and Shiite were killing each
> other.
LIAR! 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>
>> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.20a89640b5a19304989dfb@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article ,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >>
>> >> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>> >> news:MPG.20a84c95f906ca91989dfa@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> >> > In article ,
>> >> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> >> >> Beloved President
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Still Alex loves Saddam.
>> >> YOU ILLITERATE MORON, READ THE ARTICLE, IT IS THE PICTURES OF BIN BUSH
>> >> THAT
>> >> WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PLASTERED ALL OVER INSTED THEY ENDED UP IN URINALS
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I read what you wrote. You must be the only one that loves Saddam today
>> > except for his daughter.
>> SADDAM WAS A GENTLEMAN,
>
>
> He was a murdering shit!

DID HE KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN BUSH DID? 




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1178406611.692134.68500@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> On May 5, 10:57 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>> > In article ,
>> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>> >
>> > > "The catastrophes that were predicted after Vietnam never happened. 
>> > > The same
>> > > thing will occur after we leave Iraq."
>> >
>> > A million dead in Vietnam after the defeat is not a catastrophe Alex?
>>
>> I was there arsehole! Where you? I was at Ubon when an old Laotian
>> lady showed me her AK47 with 37 notches on it  To any human being
>> death of one person is just like the death of humanity
>>
>>
>
> Alex you are full of shit. You have said you were in WW1, WW2 and a
> medic with the Australians in Timor a few years ago.
YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, I NEVER LIE! "MEDIC" NEVER!  AIRMAN, YES! 




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Slideshow: http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/

http://www.kansas.com/

http://wichitahallmonitor.blogspot.com/2007/05/walk-through-greensburg-three-hours.html

Monday, May 7, 2007
A walk through Greensburg three hours after the storm

The nurse stood in the middle of the street as the steady and strong breeze 
pulled her curly hair around her head. Her flowery nurse's shirt and blue 
pants fluttered like a flag in the wind. She had what has become known as 
"the stare." She told photographer G. Marc Benavidez and I that she could 
hardly recognize the faceless and crumbling businesses that stood next to 
her on Main Street. She said she had helped splint someone's compound 
fractures in the back of a pickup. She said her family was OK. She said the 
hospital and clinic were destroyed, but that all the patients were moved to 
the basement in time. She had heard the last patient got in at the last 
second and that the first destructive gust of wind to hit the building 
slammed the door of the basement in the face of another nurse.

She didn't know what she would do next. No one did, including us.

We just kept walking into the wind, specks of debris sandblasting us. We 
couldn't open our eyes enough to see all the details. Just saw flashing red 
lights and big search lights ahead, to the left, to the right and behind. 
The beeping of trucks backing up, the scraping of snowplow blades clearing 
the streets and shouts of people's names filled the air. All around us 
people were walking over mounds of twisted houses looking for any sign of 
life. Some guys from Texas were in the basement of a house (pictured above). 
The house had shifted entirely off its foundation, exposing the basement 
below. The Texans shouted and lifted boards that probably used to be ceiling 
or wall. Nothing. But, they told us, if somebody was in this house, they'd 
probably be down here. It's hard to imagine how they might have survived, 
yet hundreds did just that and emerged from rubble.

Moving west, I jumped over a stream of draining water, which were at most 
intersections and many were about ankle deep. Marc followed. And something 
caught my attention from the corner of my eye in a tree. It was what 
appeared to be a bloody bed sheet with something inside of it. It can't be a 
body, I thought out loud. Marc agreed. Couldn't be - not with all these 
search teams around. But it looked like it could be until we saw it from the 
back side. We walked on, just saying 'oh my God' or some expletive that 
newspapers don't print. It was like we had to empty some of our thoughts to 
take in new ones. It's not a Katrina. It's not a 9/11. But it is 
devastation. It is destruction. It is tragedy. It is 10 lives gone and more 
than a thousand altered forever. It is millions of pieces of other people's 
lives forced into a blender and ruthlessly dumped in a pile. It's 
Greensburg. And everybody we've talked to says it used to be a great little 
town.

We walked for several more hours, talking to residents as they wandered the 
streets of what used to be their town. People had had their prized 
possessions destroyed. Some didn't want to be quoted because they didn't 
want to look vain worrying about their life's projects and memories and 
possessions when there could be unthinkable death among the ruins.

It was past 4 a.m. when I spotted a boat trailer and sat down for the first 
time. Marc wondered where we might find the boat. We were about a quarter 
block from some emergency crews, who were quietly planning. I put my head in 
my hands and closed my eyes. The sheets of tin, fluttering plastic and 
thunderous street scrapers across the city sounded like how far off battle 
fields sound in the movies. After five minutes, we walked on, thinking we 
should get an hour's rest before the sun exposed this disaster. As we walked 
through the north part of town, my legs began to ache after perhaps 5 to 8 
miles. It got quieter as we walked north, near the grain tower in what 
appeared to be an industrial part of town. Many trees remained standing, but 
their branches were all gone. They looked like mangled forks - the way dead 
trees look years after they die. This is what hell must look like, I told 
Marc. Nothing but stressed out heroes, crying families, lost dogs and a 
strong, wet wind blowing from the south and carrying smells of wood, 
chemicals and things I couldn't identify.

We got back to our car on the east edge of town about 45 minutes before the 
first hues of morning exposed the hedge line in front of us. Marc and Dan 
Close (a journalist who is a Wichita State University professor and 
volunteered to help) got about 30 minutes of rest before going back out. I 
couldn't sleep and started typing my story. It was about the first place we 
stopped as we walked into the town. It was a bar. I saw about 10 people 
gathered inside next to candles. The building lacked most windows, but it 
had walls and roof. I approached cautiously, but was greeted warmly, even 
after I explained I was a journalist and had never been to Greensburg until 
now. A woman told me that this bar was to become the morgue. Within 10 
minutes the first body bag was being unloaded. The floor was cleared in case 
it got worse. People could only assume the worst with such destruction.

Marc and I stopped back at the Bar H Tavern hours later before taking our 
break. The woman said another body had been brought in, but was taken to a 
nearby hospital or morgue after a few hours. It was quieter now than the 
first time we stopped. The 54-year-old woman was still shocked, but in good 
spirits considering the situation. We joked lightly about insurance and 
clean up. And she said you have to laugh a little. You have to smile, she 
said, otherwise, it's just too much.

Posted by Brent Wistrom at 12:00 AM 




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 Protocols are not a forgery, they are actual minutes of the ZioNazi 
meetings in St. Petersburg and other parts of Europe.

The proof of its genuinness  lays in the fact that Zionists are following 
the tenets of Protocols to the letter! 




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"cactus"  wrote in message 
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> Christopher A.Lee wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 May 2007 21:49:26 GMT, cactus  wrote:
>>
>>> Venceremos wrote:
>>>> On May 7, 1:19 am, cactus  wrote:
>>>>> J Young wrote:
>>>>>> Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
>>>>>> of this great historical record. Let the reader decide.
>>>>> And the only apologists for this forgery are antisemitic bigots,
>>>>> hatemongers and the like.  No decent person has anything to do with 
>>>>> that
>>>>> piece of lying crap any more.
>>>>
>>>> In United States this is one of the best sellers. Are you kidding me?
>>>>
>>> It's no more a best-seller than "Mein Kampf." That is to say, decent 
>>> people don't buy it, but skinheads, neonazis and KKK losers do when they 
>>> get their allowances.
>>
>> It's worth reading that crap - otherwise you won't know what it says.
>
> It's not worth reading that crap - I have better ways to pass the time, 
> like doing taxes or digging in the back yard.  And I do know what it 
> says - people I trust have done the dirty work and summarized it for me.

Very funny, you would have made an ideal citizen of the Third Reich 




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"Douglas Berry"  wrote in message 
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> On  6 May 2007 19:50:34 -0700 there was an Ancient J Young
>  who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
>
>>Much has been debated over the years about the accuracy and validity
>>of this great historical record. Let the reader decide.
>
> No, let the *facts* decide.  The Protocols are a pastich of two
> earlier works, an anti-Napoleanist tract titled "Dialogue in Hell
> Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" by Maurice Joly and Hermann
> Goedsche's 1868 fiction novel, "Biarritz"
>
> It was assembled by the Russian Okhrana (the secret police) in the
> 1890s as a way to justify further repression of Russian Jews and to

As if Okhrana needed justification after Jewish assassination of Czar 
Alexander II 




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"Gregory Elich"  wrote in message 
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> Freedom Fight
> www.freedomfight.net
>
> Gregori Ilic:
>
> MOZETE LI DA PREPOZNATE RATNI ZLOCIN?
>
> (poglavlje knjige: Cudni oslobodioci: militarizam, razaranje i trka za
> profitom)
>
> prevod: Nada Ljubic
>
> http://www.freedomfight.net/pages/Br15/GregoriIlic.htm
>
Da moguce je da ljudi sveta ne mogu prepoznati ratni zlocin, zato sto ono 
sto mi cinimo je uvek "opravdano" a ono sto oni cine je zlocin! Najbolji 
primer je to sto se dogadja sada u Iraku i Palestini 




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 wrote in message 
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> Nobody realy knows the real meaning of terorrist.When u hear the word
> terorrist, first thing in mind is a muslim. Lets face it, your wrong.
> Frist president of the USA used to be a trerrorist according to
> England, so that means if he was a terrorist then every other American
> is a terrorist in my oppinion.
> Nelson Mandela, before he was the president of SA, n during the
> conolization, he was arrested n was told he is a terrorist, but than
> after few yrs he was the president n than given a Noble Peace Prize.
> Lets just say terrorist means freedomfighter n we are all
> freedomfighters, we should all be on the safe side.
> asalamu aleykum
Mandela spent more than 20 years on a notorios island prison. Today he is 
probably the most celebrated and praised statesman in the world.

Ho chi Min, was regarded as a criminal renegade, and had a 20 million dollar 
prize on his head. The rest is history.

Marshal Tito was called a "bandit" and was hunted down and cornered many 
times by the Nazis, only to end up as the leader of the countries 
independent from major powers. Tito received high decorations from 70 
countries of the world and was knighted by the British Queen.

Many former rebels, and freedom fighters have redeem themselves and have 
become celebrated leaders of their countries.

Many "leaders" of their country have been judged war criminals and ended up 
at the end of the rope. Lets hope that justice prevails in the case of the 
present day "emperors" and genocidists! 




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"Möbius Pretzel"  wrote in message 
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> 3,308 Dead U.S. Oil Nazis
>
> http://icasualties.org/oif/
>
> ---
>
> One Million Innocent People 'Liberated' Over Oil-Rich Sands
>
> Deaths In Iraq Have Reached 1 Million:
>
> Grim claim on fourth anniversary of conflict
>
>
> 03/22/07
>
> THE number of deaths in Iraq since the start of the
> conflict could be as high as one million, it was claimed yesterday.
>
> On the fourth anniversary of the invasion by Allied troops, an
> Australian
> scientist insisted the true death toll dwarfed previous estimates.
>
> Dr Gideon Polya said: "Using the most comprehensive and authoritative
> literature and UN demographic data yields an estimate of one million
> post-invasion excess deaths in Iraq."
>
> His figure is far higher than the biggest previous estimate of
> 655,000.
>
> A spokesman for the Stop The War Coalition said the figure was
> "astonishing", adding: "Four years after the start of the conflict in
> Iraq,
> we can now see what a disaster the war has been.
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17388.htm
>
> ---
>
> No WMDs yet...
We are trying to liberate the oil so that Jews have plenty of it to run 
their killinf machines on.

We are also trying to liberate the land in Northern Iraq and elsewhere for 
the expansion of the future Kikeland.

In other words this war has nothing to do with the interests of United 
States, it has everything to do with the interests of Zionists and Israel. 




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> enough with the protocols shit please.

You Jews live by the tenets of them. You should be grateful for me posting 
them 




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DO THE GOOD CANADIANS ALSO SPY FOR ISRAEL?
Do "good" Americans spy for Israel

May 7, 2007 Issue
 Is there a First Amendment right to engage in espionage? Dorothy Rabinowitz 
seems to think so. Describing the actions of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, 
two former top officials of AIPAC, the premier Israel lobbying group, who 
passed purloined intelligence to Israeli government officials, the Pulitzer 
Prize-winning journalist characterized them as "activities that go on every 
day in Washington, and that are clearly protected under the First 
 Amendment." If what Rabinowitz says is true-if passing classified 
information to foreign officials is routine in the nation's capital-then we 
are all in big trouble.

On Aug. 4, 2005, Rosen, Weissman, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin were 
indicted by a federal grand jury and charged with violating provisions of 
the Espionage Act that forbid divulging national defense information to 
persons not authorized to receive it. The indictment traces the treasonous 
trio's circuitous path as they met in the shadows-in empty restaurants, at 
Union Station in Washington, on street corners. Rosen and Weissman sought 
out and cultivated Franklin, milking him for information that they dutifully 
transmitted to their Israeli handlers. According to Rabinowitz, however, 
they were merely "doing what they had every reason to view as their 
 jobs"-which is true, assuming they understood their jobs to be spying for 
Israel.

The trial is scheduled to begin June 7. As the day of reckoning approaches, 
the Israel lobby is ratcheting up the rhetoric. So, too, is the defense: in 
a duet of hysterical accusations and frenzied rationalizations, the accused 
spies' defenders have described the proceedings as a frame-up, the result of 
an intra-bureaucratic struggle within the government, and a plot by 
anti-Semites in Bush's Justice Department to carry out a Washington pogrom. 
None of these flights of imagination are any more convincing than the Dream 
Team's defense of O.J. Simpson. Yet the noise level continues to rise, as if 
sheer volume, instead of logical arguments, could overwhelm the copious 
evidence of the defendants' guilt.

The indictment lists numerous acts of espionage, dating back to 1999, in 
which Rosen and/or Weissman acted as conduits for classified information 
flowing from Washington to Tel Aviv. The feds had been watching for a long 
time: the indictment makes clear that Rosen and Weissman didn't make a move 
without the FBI's counterintelligence unit knowing about it. This 
surveillance is how they happened on Larry Franklin, the Pentagon's top Iran 
analyst, who walked in on a luncheon meeting in Arlington, Virginia, 
attended by Rosen, Weissman, and Naor Gilon, chief of the political-affairs 
section at the Israeli Embassy. The feds were listening in as 
Franklin-referring to a document dated June 25 and marked "top 
 secret"-announced he had secrets to tell.

Tell not sell: unlike the majority of post-Cold War spies, the 
AIPAC-Franklin espionage ring wasn't centered around financial gain but 
ideology. Franklin is a dedicated neoconservative, a minor yet key player in 
the neocon network, who served in the military attache's office in the U.S. 
Embassy in Tel Aviv in the late 1990s and was a Defense Intelligence Agency 
analyst with expertise in Iranian affairs working in Douglas Feith's policy 
shop.

The counter-intelligence unit was hot on Franklin's trail, and they watched 
his every move-his wholesale transfer of top-secret information on Iran, 
al-Qaeda, and other intelligence of interest to Israel to Rosen and 
Weissman, who funneled it to their contacts in the Israeli Embassy. The FBI 
gave Franklin enough rope to hang himself, and then moved in, showing up at 
his door and confronting him with his treachery. A search of his home and 
office turned up a veritable lending library of classified documents dating 
back years, all of which had doubtless been made available to the Israelis. 
Faced with the probability of a long prison stretch, Franklin agreed to wear 
a wire to his subsequent meetings with Rosen and Weissman. In the months 
that followed, the FBI built its case, recording conversations and following 
the AIPAC duo.

And they did a good job, apparently, because the government is making an 
unusual request: that some testimony and evidence be shielded from the 
public due to its highly sensitive nature. This wasn't just a case of 
pilfering a few innocuous memoranda. It looks like team AIPAC made off with 
the family jewels and maybe even the deed to the house. Why else would the 
Justice Department risk having a conviction thrown out on appeal on account 
of such a rarely invoked legal mechanism?

The defense has protested proposed security procedures-magnetometers at the 
courtroom door, security sweeps of the courtroom itself, an officer of the 
court monitoring electronic surveillance while the trial is in session-on 
the grounds they would prejudice the jury against the defendants. They 
compare this to dragging Rosen and Weissman before the jury in prisoners' 
uniforms and shackles. Yet these security measures point to the seriousness 
of the matter before the court, the depth to which the 
Rosen-Weissman-Franklin spy ring penetrated the government, and the ongoing 
breach they have opened in America's national-security firewall.

While most of the more cautious elements in the Jewish community are staying 
well away from this case, the radicals, such as Rabbi Avi Weiss and his 
AMCHA-Coalition for Jewish Concerns, who have previously devoted their 
efforts to freeing Jonathan Pollard, have now turned their attention to 
Rosen and Weissman. Steven Lieberman and Anne Sterba, lawyers for the group, 
wrote in an amicus brief: "Trying these two men for disclosing critical 
'national defense information' to foreign officials, without letting the 
public know what the alleged information was, will allow enemies of the 
Jewish people to exaggerate the significance of that evidence and will leave 
the press and the public to subsist only on rumors and speculation."

The Weiss group likens the prosecution of Rosen and Weissman to the Dreyfus 
case-in effect positing the existence of a vast anti-Semitic conspiracy at 
the highest levels of the Justice Department. Not exactly a credible 
contention, offered, as it is, without evidence, but the defenders of Rosen 
and Weissman are getting more frantic as the trial date approaches. As a 
writer for the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz put it, "Does this trial really 
carry any resemblance to the Dreyfus trial? It's a different era, a 
different country, a different system, a different accusation. Making this 
comparison demands some imagination, much ambition, and maybe a speck of 
chutzpah too."

A recently unsealed defense memorandum details a Feb. 16, 2005 colloquy 
between Rosen's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, and Nathan Lewin, AIPAC's legal 
counsel, in which the latter reveals that Paul McNulty-then the U.S. 
attorney for the eastern district of Virginia and chief prosecutor in the 
case-"would like to end it with minimal damage to AIPAC." Lewin told Lowell, 
"He is fighting with the FBI to limit the investigation to Steve Rosen and 
Keith Weissman and to avoid expanding it." This is hardly the behavior one 
would expect of contemporary anti-Dreyfusards in the Justice Department 
plotting to scapegoat AIPAC and the Jews.

Clearly the Rosen-Weissman defense team is involved in a bit of "greymail," 
that is, forcing the government to disclose as much classified information 
as possible during the discovery phase of this case and hoping to derail the 
prosecution entirely as it weighs the effects of disclosure against the 
benefits of a possible conviction. As we go to press, Judge T.S. Ellis has 
ruled against the prosecution's proposal to shield sensitive testimony and 
evidence behind a veil of pseudonyms and euphemism, which could delay the 
begining of the trial.

Efforts to embarrass the administration go beyond accusing DOJ and extend to 
prominent figures such as Condoleezza Rice, who is accused by Abbe Lowell of 
leaking national defense information to AIPAC as Franklin did. Gen. Anthony 
Zinni is being targeted in a similar manner. Both have been subpoenaed, 
along with David Satterfield, deputy chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq, and 
William Burns, U.S. ambassador to Russia, to testify. If Rosen and Weissman 
are going down, the Israel lobby seems to be saying, then so are a lot of 
prominent people-some of whom, like Zinni, just happen to be their enemies.

This isn't greymail, it's blackmail. It was Zinni, after all, who said of 
the Israel lobby and the neoconservatives: "I think it's the worst-kept 
secret in Washington. Everybody-everybody I talk to in Washington-has known 
and fully knows what their agenda was [during the run up to the Iraq War] 
and what they were trying to do."

The intrigue thickened last October as word leaked that a proposed deal was 
dangled in front of Rep. Jane Harman: AIPAC would back her to become head of 
the House Intelligence Committee if she would urge the government to treat 
Rosen, Weissman-and AIPAC itself-with kid gloves. The Forward reported, 
"Several congressional sources confirmed that major donors to the Democratic 
Party have been lobbying Pelosi on behalf of Harman's nomination to head the 
intelligence committee and that these attempts were not welcomed by the 
House Democratic leader." Time named Haim Saban, the billionaire Hollywood 
producer and major AIPAC moneybags, as one of the supplicants. Pelosi didn't 
fall for it, and Harman was rebuffed. Perhaps this was in the background 
when the speaker was booed as she addressed the subsequent AIPAC national 
conference, although Pelosi got back in the Israel lobby's good graces after 
she stripped a provision from the military appropriations bill that would 
have required the president to go to Congress for permission to attack Iran.

The defense has fought to get the case against Rosen and Weissman thrown out 
on any number of grounds: the Espionage Act is unconstitutional, it doesn't 
apply to their clients but only to government officials, and, last but not 
least, it's a violation of the Israel lobby's First Amendment "right" to 
betray classified information to its masters in Tel Aviv. Twisting and 
turning, threatening and spitting, delaying as best it can, the defense has 
tried to wriggle out of it every which way, to no avail. The trial is going 
forward, and the public spectacle of the biggest espionage scandal involving 
Israel since the prosecution of Pollard could deliver a body blow to the 
Israel lobby at a time when it has come in for public scrutiny and criticism 
as never before.

But that hasn't prevented the lobby from brazenly defending the accused 
spies, in spite of the preponderance of evidence, and even hailing them as 
patriots. Writing in The Forward, Michael Berenbaum avers, "Instead of being 
grounds for prosecution, perhaps the influence Steven Rosen and Keith 
Weissman were trying to exert-making officials and the public aware of the 
danger from Iran-should be heralded." And why should we hail espionage as 
laudable in this instance? Well, you see, because the AIPAC defendants were 
ahead of their time in citing the danger from Iran: "In Washington, as Rosen 
and Weissman are learning the hard way, the 'crime' is often not being 
wrong, but rather being right too early or at the wrong time, or being out 
of sync with the conventional wisdom, or pushing an inconvenient truth."

In light of Judge Ellis's recent ruling that in this trial the Espionage Act 
is going to be interpreted narrowly and that the burden is on the 
prosecution to show that the defendants knowingly harmed U.S. national 
security interests, the defense might be expected to make a pitch similar to 
Berenbaum's-that, instead of prosecuting Rosen and Weissman, we ought to be 
pinning medals on their chests.

The AIPAC defendants weren't spies, they were merely ahead of the curve, 
anticipating the day when a distinction is no longer being made between 
American and Israeli interests. That is the line we are hearing, as the 
curtain goes up on the trial of Rosen and Weissman. Whether the jury or the 
public falls for it remains to be seen.
___________________________________________


Justin Raimondo is editorial director of Antiwar.com.


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 wrote in message 
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> On May 8, 8:14 am, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>> When espionage is for ideology not for money.
>>
>> Is there a First Amendment right to engage in espionage? Dorothy 
>> Rabinowitz
>> seems to think so. Describing the actions of Steve Rosen and Keith 
>> Weissman,
>> two former top officials of AIPAC, the premier Israel lobbying group, who
>> passed purloined intelligence to Israeli government officials, the 
>> Pulitzer
>> Prize-winning journalist characterized them as "activities that go on 
>> every
>> day in Washington, and that are clearly protected under the First
>>  Amendment." If what Rabinowitz says is true-if passing classified
>> information to foreign officials is routine in the nation's capital-then 
>> we
>> are all in big trouble.
>>
>> On Aug. 4, 2005, Rosen, Weissman, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin 
>> were
>> indicted by a federal grand jury and charged with violating provisions of
>> the Espionage Act that forbid divulging national defense information to
>> persons not authorized to receive it. The indictment traces the 
>> treasonous
>> trio's circuitous path as they met in the shadows-in empty restaurants, 
>> at
>> Union Station in Washington, on street corners. Rosen and Weissman sought
>> out and cultivated Franklin, milking him for information that they 
>> dutifully
>> transmitted to their Israeli handlers. According to Rabinowitz, however,
>> they were merely "doing what they had every reason to view as their
>>  jobs"-which is true, assuming they understood their jobs to be spying 
>> for
>> Israel.
>>
>> The trial is scheduled to begin June 7. As the day of reckoning 
>> approaches,
>> the Israel lobby is ratcheting up the rhetoric. So, too, is the defense: 
>> in
>> a duet of hysterical accusations and frenzied rationalizations, the 
>> accused
>> spies' defenders have described the proceedings as a frame-up, the result 
>> of
>> an intra-bureaucratic struggle within the government, and a plot by
>> anti-Semites in Bush's Justice Department to carry out a Washington 
>> pogrom.
>> None of these flights of imagination are any more convincing than the 
>> Dream
>> Team's defense of O.J. Simpson. Yet the noise level continues to rise, as 
>> if
>> sheer volume, instead of logical arguments, could overwhelm the copious
>> evidence of the defendants' guilt.
>>
>> The indictment lists numerous acts of espionage, dating back to 1999, in
>> which Rosen and/or Weissman acted as conduits for classified information
>> flowing from Washington to Tel Aviv. The feds had been watching for a 
>> long
>> time: the indictment makes clear that Rosen and Weissman didn't make a 
>> move
>> without the FBI's counterintelligence unit knowing about it. This
>> surveillance is how they happened on Larry Franklin, the Pentagon's top 
>> Iran
>> analyst, who walked in on a luncheon meeting in Arlington, Virginia,
>> attended by Rosen, Weissman, and Naor Gilon, chief of the 
>> political-affairs
>> section at the Israeli Embassy. The feds were listening in as
>> Franklin-referring to a document dated June 25 and marked "top
>>  secret"-announced he had secrets to tell.
>>
>> Tell not sell: unlike the majority of post-Cold War spies, the
>> AIPAC-Franklin espionage ring wasn't centered around financial gain but
>> ideology. Franklin is a dedicated neoconservative, a minor yet key player 
>> in
>> the neocon network, who served in the military attache's office in the 
>> U.S.
>> Embassy in Tel Aviv in the late 1990s and was a Defense Intelligence 
>> Agency
>> analyst with expertise in Iranian affairs working in Douglas Feith's 
>> policy
>> shop.
>>
>> The counter-intelligence unit was hot on Franklin's trail, and they 
>> watched
>> his every move-his wholesale transfer of top-secret information on Iran,
>> al-Qaeda, and other intelligence of interest to Israel to Rosen and
>> Weissman, who funneled it to their contacts in the Israeli Embassy. The 
>> FBI
>> gave Franklin enough rope to hang himself, and then moved in, showing up 
>> at
>> his door and confronting him with his treachery. A search of his home and
>> office turned up a veritable lending library of classified documents 
>> dating
>> back years, all of which had doubtless been made available to the 
>> Israelis.
>> Faced with the probability of a long prison stretch, Franklin agreed to 
>> wear
>> a wire to his subsequent meetings with Rosen and Weissman. In the months
>> that followed, the FBI built its case, recording conversations and 
>> following
>> the AIPAC duo.
>>
>> And they did a good job, apparently, because the government is making an
>> unusual request: that some testimony and evidence be shielded from the
>> public due to its highly sensitive nature. This wasn't just a case of
>> pilfering a few innocuous memoranda. It looks like team AIPAC made off 
>> with
>> the family jewels and maybe even the deed to the house. Why else would 
>> the
>> Justice Department risk having a conviction thrown out on appeal on 
>> account
>> of such a rarely invoked legal mechanism?
>>
>> The defense has protested proposed security procedures-magnetometers at 
>> the
>> courtroom door, security sweeps of the courtroom itself, an officer of 
>> the
>> court monitoring electronic surveillance while the trial is in session-on
>> the grounds they would prejudice the jury against the defendants. They
>> compare this to dragging Rosen and Weissman before the jury in prisoners'
>> uniforms and shackles. Yet these security measures point to the 
>> seriousness
>> of the matter before the court, the depth to which the
>> Rosen-Weissman-Franklin spy ring penetrated the government, and the 
>> ongoing
>> breach they have opened in America's national-security firewall.
>>
>> While most of the more cautious elements in the Jewish community are 
>> staying
>> well away from this case, the radicals, such as Rabbi Avi Weiss and his
>> AMCHA-Coalition for Jewish Concerns, who have previously devoted their
>> efforts to freeing Jonathan Pollard, have now turned their attention to
>> Rosen and Weissman. Steven Lieberman and Anne Sterba, lawyers for the 
>> group,
>> wrote in an amicus brief: "Trying these two men for disclosing critical
>> 'national defense information' to foreign officials, without letting the
>> public know what the alleged information was, will allow enemies of the
>> Jewish people to exaggerate the significance of that evidence and will 
>> leave
>> the press and the public to subsist only on rumors and speculation."
>>
>> The Weiss group likens the prosecution of Rosen and Weissman to the 
>> Dreyfus
>> case-in effect positing the existence of a vast anti-Semitic conspiracy 
>> at
>> the highest levels of the Justice Department. Not exactly a credible
>> contention, offered, as it is, without evidence, but the defenders of 
>> Rosen
>> and Weissman are getting more frantic as the trial date approaches. As a
>> writer for the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz put it, "Does this trial really
>> carry any resemblance to the Dreyfus trial? It's a different era, a
>> different country, a different system, a different accusation. Making 
>> this
>> comparison demands some imagination, much ambition, and maybe a speck of
>> chutzpah too."
>>
>> A recently unsealed defense memorandum details a Feb. 16, 2005 colloquy
>> between Rosen's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, and Nathan Lewin, AIPAC's legal
>> counsel, in which the latter reveals that Paul McNulty-then the U.S.
>> attorney for the eastern district of Virginia and chief prosecutor in the
>> case-"would like to end it with minimal damage to AIPAC." Lewin told 
>> Lowell,
>> "He is fighting with the FBI to limit the investigation to Steve Rosen 
>> and
>> Keith Weissman and to avoid expanding it." This is hardly the behavior 
>> one
>> would expect of contemporary anti-Dreyfusards in the Justice Department
>> plotting to scapegoat AIPAC and the Jews.
>>
>> Clearly the Rosen-Weissman defense team is involved in a bit of 
>> "greymail,"
>> that is, forcing the government to disclose as much classified 
>> information
>> as possible during the discovery phase of this case and hoping to derail 
>> the
>> prosecution entirely as it weighs the effects of disclosure against the
>> benefits of a possible conviction. As we go to press, Judge T.S. Ellis 
>> has
>> ruled against the prosecution's proposal to shield sensitive testimony 
>> and
>> evidence behind a veil of pseudonyms and euphemism, which could delay the
>> begining of the trial.
>>
>> Efforts to embarrass the administration go beyond accusing DOJ and extend 
>> to
>> prominent figures such as Condoleezza Rice, who is accused by Abbe Lowell 
>> of
>> leaking national defense information to AIPAC as Franklin did. Gen. 
>> Anthony
>> Zinni is being targeted in a similar manner. Both have been subpoenaed,
>> along with David Satterfield, deputy chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq, 
>> and
>> William Burns, U.S. ambassador to Russia, to testify. If Rosen and 
>> Weissman
>> are going down, the Israel lobby seems to be saying, then so are a lot of
>> prominent people-some of whom, like Zinni, just happen to be their 
>> enemies.
>>
>> This isn't greymail, it's blackmail. It was Zinni, after all, who said of
>> the Israel lobby and the neoconservatives: "I think it's the worst-kept
>> secret in Washington. Everybody-everybody I talk to in Washington-has 
>> known
>> and fully knows what their agenda was [during the run up to the Iraq War]
>> and what they were trying to do."
>>
>> The intrigue thickened last October as word leaked that a proposed deal 
>> was
>> dangled in front of Rep. Jane Harman: AIPAC would back her to become head 
>> of
>> the House Intelligence Committee if she would urge the government to 
>> treat
>> Rosen, Weissman-and AIPAC itself-with kid gloves. The Forward reported,
>> "Several congressional sources confirmed that major donors to the 
>> Democratic
>> Party have been lobbying Pelosi on behalf of Harman's nomination to head 
>> the
>> intelligence committee and that these attempts were not welcomed by the
>> House Democratic leader." Time named Haim Saban, the billionaire 
>> Hollywood
>> producer and major AIPAC moneybags, as one of the supplicants. Pelosi 
>> didn't
>> fall for it, and Harman was rebuffed. Perhaps this was in the background
>> when the speaker was booed as she addressed the subsequent AIPAC national
>> conference, although Pelosi got back in the Israel lobby's good graces 
>> after
>> she stripped a provision from the military appropriations bill that would
>> have required the president to go to Congress for permission to attack 
>> Iran.
>>
>> The defense has fought to get the case against Rosen and Weissman thrown 
>> out
>> on any number of grounds: the Espionage Act is unconstitutional, it 
>> doesn't
>> apply to their clients but only to government officials, and, last but 
>> not
>> least, it's a violation of the Israel lobby's First Amendment "right" to
>> betray classified information to its masters in Tel Aviv. Twisting and
>> turning, threatening and spitting, delaying as best it can, the defense 
>> has
>> tried to wriggle out of it every which way, to no avail. The trial is 
>> going
>> forward, and the public spectacle of the biggest espionage scandal 
>> involving
>> Israel since the prosecution of Pollard could deliver a body blow to the
>> Israel lobby at a time when it has come in for public scrutiny and 
>> criticism
>> as never before.
>>
>> But that hasn't prevented the lobby from brazenly defending the accused
>> spies, in spite of the preponderance of evidence, and even hailing them 
>> as
>> patriots. Writing in The Forward, Michael Berenbaum avers, "Instead of 
>> being
>> grounds for prosecution, perhaps the influence Steven Rosen and Keith
>> Weissman were trying to exert-making officials and the public aware of 
>> the
>> danger from Iran-should be heralded." And why should we hail espionage as
>> laudable in this instance? Well, you see, because the AIPAC defendants 
>> were
>> ahead of their time in citing the danger from Iran: "In Washington, as 
>> Rosen
>> and Weissman are learning the hard way, the 'crime' is often not being
>> wrong, but rather being right too early or at the wrong time, or being 
>> out
>> of sync with the conventional wisdom, or pushing an inconvenient truth."
>>
>> In light of Judge Ellis's recent ruling that in this trial the Espionage 
>> Act
>> is going to be interpreted narrowly and that the burden is on the
>> prosecution to show that the defendants knowingly harmed U.S. national
>> security interests, the defense might be expected to make a pitch similar 
>> to
>> Berenbaum's-that, instead of prosecuting Rosen and Weissman, we ought to 
>> be
>> pinning medals on their chests.
>>
>> The AIPAC defendants weren't spies, they were merely ahead of the curve,
>> anticipating the day when a distinction is no longer being made between
>> American and Israeli interests. That is the line we are hearing, as the
>> curtain goes up on the trial of Rosen and Weissman. Whether the jury or 
>> the
>> public falls for it remains to be seen.

Yep. Pretty soon Jews caught with the hand in the till of the Nationa 
Treasury would be rewarded. Just like Dov Zakheim was. 




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 wrote in message news:fyV%h.1189$LJ3.183@trnddc02...
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/856784.html
>
> By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Staff
>
> The Hebrew University of Jerusalem announced Monday night that it has
> uncovered the grave and tomb of King Herod, who ruled Judea for the Roman
> empire from circa 37 BCE.

Herod was born in 20 BC, and spent 55 years kissing the arse of the Romans 
whose hobby was slaughtering Jews for entertainment. herod was a self 
appointed "leader" of a small Jewish enclave who even helped Romans destroy 
a munber of Jewish shrines and temples.And kill large portion of the Jewish 
population of Judea. All for a buck! 




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 ABOUT HALF A MILLION PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE JEWISH
TORTURE CHAMBERS IN THE PAST 40 YEARS,  AND YOU CLAIM THAT JEWS AR5E
THE "VICTIMS"?  ARE YOU BLOODY WELL, CRAZY?



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On May 8, 2:51 am, "Benyamin Cramer"  wrote:
> "staten"  wrote in message
>
> news:dc287$463f3638$45487dd4$5528@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Benyamin Cramer"  wrote in message
> >news:0tGdnd55_8TaE6PbnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com...
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> >> "staten"  wrote in message
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> >>> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
> >>>news:1178147299.757327.8000@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> =D8      On May 2, 11:33 am, "Frank Arthur"  wrot=
e:
> >>>>> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:1178130690.722115.10480@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> On May
> >>>>> 1,
> >>>>> 7:32 pm, "ElParedon"  wrote:
> >>>>> >> Ukrainian university asks UN to 'close' Israel
> >>>>> > Zionism (also known as ZioNazism or Judeofascism) was the basis u=
pon
> >>>>> > which Nazism was formed and is a philosophy of pure evil that must
> >>>>> > be
> >>>>> > eliminated from the planet.   Israel does not represent Judaism or
> >>>>> > the
> >>>>> > Jewish people, but an ideology of eugenics and racial discriminat=
ion
> >>>>> > that has created a truly ugly regime that makes even Nazi Germany
> >>>>> > look
> >>>>> > benign by comparison.
>
> >>>>> And what you want is racially Pure Islam where everyone must read t=
he
> >>>>> Quaran
> >>>>> and be a Muslim or face death.
>
> >>>> Muslims have lived in peace with others for centuries prior to the
> >>>> spawning of Judeofascism/ZioNazism, so there is no reason that cannot
> >>>> be the case once Judeofascism and ZioNazism and been exorcised from
> >>>> the human race.
>
> >>> Muslims have never lived in piece with others.
>
> >> Lying cunt. They lived in perfect harmony with the yids in Palestine,
> >> until the arrival of the European zionazis.
>
> > Two things. You are an uneducated , ignorant idiot.
>
> Both wrong. Nice start.
>
> >The Arabs have never
> > lived in perfect harmony with Jews
>
> Another fuckup.
>
> >They were systematically slaughtered by
> > Muslims beginning from slaughtering Jews of Medina.
>
> And yet another.
>
> >In fact , Muslims have
> > never lived in harmony with anyone.
 they lived with jews for thousand years, in fact if muslims did not
save the Jew arse there would be no Jews



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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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On May 8, 12:00 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>  Following my article concerning the empty graves readers asked me
> questions.  They were concerned, why (following this shocking
> discovery by the Israeli media in August of 1997) no drastic
> measures have ever been taken, and moreover, this Commission
> nominated by the government has been closed down, after it had
> worked only one weekly day, for a mere 2-3 hours (not counting
> several weeks that the committee decided not to work).
>
>   Part of the answer may be found, likely, in the first official
> response to the results of the grave openings, as stated by Dr.
> Yehuda Hiss, the head of the Forensic Institute of Medicine,
> located in Abu-Kbir.  Here is a quote of Dr. Hiss, from his press
> statement, on the August 16, 1997:
>
>      "When opening a grave, one must make sure to dig to
>       the depth of the grave, and in the children's burial
>       plot in Kiriyat Shaul only a shallow opening of the
>       graves was conducted, not as required.  Every
>       forensic doctor knows that bones that have been
>       buried for tens of years can move to the sides and
>       to a greater depth, from a distance of tens of
>       centimeters up to a few meters, from their original
>       burial spot.  This is due to earth movement, and
>       water penetration."
>
>   Had Dr. Hiss missed the apparent fact, as shown in the film
> broadcasted by TV-One that diggers hit a solid concrete and
> therefore stopped digging.  Besides, Dr. Hiss stated:
>
>       "It is necessary to remember, we are speaking of
>        infants, and small children, with very small bones,
>        and to identify them there is need to conduct a
>        thorough examination of the earth clods". One of
>        the witnesses to the digings said, when he read the
>        article reporting Hiss's statement: "And people are
>        going to believe this? Even the manager of the
>        cemetery was with us! Why isn't he saying
>        anything?"
>
>   Herein excerpts from the 54-pages protocol, dated January 15,
> 1996.  It is Dr. Hiss's testimony presented before the official
> government commission.  Dr. Hiss's described his credentials:
>
>        "I am an expert in pathological anatomy, and an
>         expert in forensic medicine, I am a senior
>         lecturer in pathology and forensic medicine in
>         the Hebrew University, and in the Tel-Aviv
>         University".
>
>   When asked - "...and how long have you been in the business?" -
> he answered:
>
>        "I've been a doctor for approximately 20 years, a
>         forensic doctor for about 12, and have been head
>         of the Forensic Institute of Medicine, named after
>         Greenberg, in Abu-Kbir, for seven years".
>
>   Apparently, Dr. Hiss had given his opinion previously also to the
> Shalgi committee, the one acted before the Cohen committee.  The
> State attorney, Drora Nachmani-Roth asked:
>
>        "Yes, now, your opinion to the Shalgi committee,
>         was, I will read it to you, just a moment, it is
>         written for Dr. Shalgi, the committee for finding
>         the missing children, the population listing in
>         the office of interior, it is written by you on
>         the 9th of December, 1991, and its contents state:
>
>        'I confirm the receipt of your letter on the topic
>         from November 24, 1991, the bones and bone parts
>         of infants and young children that are mentioned
>         in your letter will survive after tens and
>         hundreds of years, the chance of locating them in
>         their burial place is good, and since the testing
>         (D.N.A., and other methods of bone identification)
>         is being done by experts in identifying human
>         remains, of the Forensic Institute of Medicine,
>         named after Greenberg, where there are forensic
>         doctors expert in human anatomy and archeology,
>         and expert in identification of human remains
>         which will be able to give you the adequate
>         professional information.'
>
>         Do you recognise the letter you wrote?"
>
>   Dr. Hiss answered:
>
>         "Yes, I recognize its content, I look at it, and
>          verify the truth of what is written."
>
>   The State attorney goes on to ask him about any other contact with
> the Shalgi committee, to which she receives a negative answer.
> She then asks him if he stands behind the content of the letter
> he wrote, to which Hiss answers:
>
>         "Definetely!"
>
>   Next, Nachmani presents Dr. Hiss with the following question:
>
>         "I would like you to make clear, perhaps even in
>          detail, if there is need we will ask further
>          questions, on what basis did you form this
>          opinion?".
>
>   Hiss then answered:
>
>         "My short opinion was given based on personal and
>          professional knowledge, and of course information
>          from professional literature that deals with
>          exhumation or removal of human remains from
>          graves or various other burial sites that were
>          buried there hundreds and even thousands of
>          years ago.
>
>          In cases of the burying of bodies of infants,
>          children or adults in different places depends,
>          of course, on the temperature, climate, and soil
>          conditions.  In the place of a burial, the bodies
>          go through a process of decay and, as a result,
>          the soft tissue disappears, and what survives are
>          the bones, which are the hard parts, or tissue,
>          in our body, and they include the bones of the
>          skeleton and teeth, and these remains survive for
>          hundreds of years.
>
>          Of course there are exceptional cases where
>          either because of the conditions of very warm
>          earth - like the earth in areas with volcanic
>          activity and lava - and high heat activity due to
>          fire, or other reasons, that even these remains
>          can disappear, but in a case that the earth
>          conditions are normal, and there are no floods,
>          not that they ruin the bones, just move them from
>          one place to another - it is usually possible
>          after tens and hundreds of years to locate and
>          identify, by certain scale, the remains that are
>          left from bodies that were buried".
>
>   The protocol goes on for a while, getting into details about
> identifying the remains found, which is currently irrelevant in
> my opinion (Y.M).  What is relevant, however, is the fact that the
> testimony of Dr. Hiss was given in January of 1996, only a short
> time after the entire matter was getting out to the media, due to
> the surprising testimony of Ms. Sonia Millstein, who had been a
> nurse in the Ein-Shemer immigration camp, in front of the
> official committee, around the middle of October, 1995.
>
>   This matter was raised in the weekend edition of the "Yediot
> Acharonot" newspaper, on October 20, by the journalist Edna
> Adato.  Sonia Millstein was quoted there:
>
>         "I saw how the babies were sent in ambulances,
>          in packages, and with no written records being
>          taken".
>
>   Sonia Millstein is a kibbutz resident, and was 86 at the time she
> gave this testimony.  Mr. Avner Farhi brought this witness to the
> stand.  Her testimony was given, again, in Bet-Agron, the seat of
> the official committee on this matter.  The "Yediot Acharonot"
> article reported that "For many hours, Millstein was questioned by
> Drora Nachmani, the State attorney.  She tended to shake herself
> clean of responsibility, by claiming she didn't know or
> didn't remember."  She was also quoted saying:
>
>         "I was only in charge of the equipment in the
>          clinics and the staff. I did not meet with the
>          human material in the camps".
>
>   The article also reports that Millstein claimed she did not even
> hear, back then, of parents that lost their children.  Another
> amazing quote of hers was:
>
>         "The Yemenite mothers were bewildered and
>          confused. They could not keep track of their
>          children. I, as a European mother, would go and
>          ask questions, take notes, and know where my
>          son was. They were not able to do this".
>
>   She was asked, by the State attorney:
>
>         "Why didn't you make sure that would be done for
>          them?",
>
> to which Millstein answered:
>
>         "I had other worries back then. If I discovered
>          that, after forty years, my child was alive, I
>          would feel happy. I woud be pleased that my child
>          received a good education in a good family. I am
>          no racist. On the contrary".
>
>   The truth of that statement should, of course, be determined by
> the reader.
>
>   This testimony given in front of the committee took a very
> interesting turn when Haim Giat, a 53 year old man, who was in
> the Ein-Shemer immigration camp too, stood up and testified.
> He recalled a story, in a voice choked by tears, that he
> remembered Sonia Millstein from the Ein-Shemer camp.  He told he
> was only 6 years old, when his cousin, an infant only months old,
> was taken to the clinic.  When Millstein told the child's parents
> that the child was dead, they began wrecking havoc in the clinic,
> and making much noise.  Then, to quote Giat,
>
>         "Millstein walked into the room next door and
>          brought the baby back to his parents, alive
>          and well".
>
> Millstein angrily responded "I swear, that's a lie!".
>
>   Another interesting testimony presented to this
> committee, by the State attorney, was a quotation from the
> testimony of Roza Kotzinski, who had been a nurse during that
> period of time, in the nursing room of camp A in
> Ein-Shemer, and testified to the committee later on, on
> the October 25, 1995.  She said:
>
>         "I would take two or three babies in an ambulance
>          to the Afula Hospital. We would leave healthy
>          babies there. The next day I would ask: where are
>          the babies? And their would tell me they are
>          gone, dead. What do they mean died? But they were
>          healthy, they had no sickness! Today, when people
>          say they died, it's a lie. They were sold for
>          adoption. Mostly in the United States...".
>
>   At this point, Millstein again got angry, and said:
>
>         "Roza Kotzinski's a liar!
>          Maybe they brainwashed her."
>
>   One comment heard, by one of the Yemenite fathers witnessing this
> testimony was
>
>         "Maybe they brainwashed Sonia".
>
>   At the end of this testimony State attorney Nachmani showed Millstein
> a list of healthy children that were present back then in a few of
> the hospitals in Israel, and later were said to be dead.
> Millstein's final reaction was:
>
>         "I am tired of your questions.  They are not
>          relevant to me.  I am already 86 years old.
>          I'm allowed to forget....".
>
>   Sonia Millstein says she's allowed to forget. However, thousands
> of Jewish families bear a pain which the Sonia Millsteins in
> Israel and abroad have made impossible to forget.
>
>   In the next article in this series, you will read more about how
> the issue is being kept out of the public eye, and of one of the
> people responsible for the sale of children in the United States.
>
> © Yechiel Mann,

more diaperhead propagandistic crap
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? EXPOSING THE CRIMES OF THE JEW?




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"Ariel"  wrote in message 
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On May 8, 12:02 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
> Parents of kidnapped children made many attempts to check the
> "graves" of their "dead" children.  The "Mishkan Ohalim"
> organization filmed a "secret" operation that was taken place on
> August 13, 1997, where members dug up four of these "graves" at
> the Kiryat Shaul Cemetery.  The film was broadcast a week later
> on TV's Channel One News.
>
>   This film shows the "graves" as they are being dug up.  In each
> case the "grave" was found empty.  These "graves" had allegedly
> contained the remains of four children: Ruti Babu, Ruti Cohen,
> Moshe Mishraki and Reuven Refaelov.
>
>   The parents of these children came to the Kiryat Shaul Cemetery
> together with  "Mishkan Ohalim" representatives, cemetery manager
> Avraham Finkelstein and with Rabbi Yaakov Rujah, district
> religious adviser on burial matters.
>
>   I interviewed one of the "Mishkan Ohalim" representatives who
> was present when the "graves" were opened.  He told me that they
> went to extreme lengths, including the use of a strainer, to search
> for bones.  This was shown on the film.  No bones were found!
>
>   Mrs. Ruti Refaelov, whose son Reuven was allegedly buried at the
> cemetery, states on the film: "The child isn't here, there's just
> sand, and nothing more."
>
>   The stories of other cases are pretty much identical.  Parents
> were told at the Hospitals that the child, who was a few months
> old, got sick, and died.
>
>   The issue was reported on the Israeli Official Radio as follows:
> "Four families of Yemenite origin have discovered the graves in
> which their babies were supposedly buried forty years ago are
> empty.
>
>   "Israel TV's Channel 1 filmed the opening of the graves at the
> Kiriyat Shaul Cemetery and broadcasted it.  Yemenite activists
> have been claiming for years that hundreds of babies who were
> declared dead were actually put up for adoption.  The graves were
> opened last Wednesday as part of the official investigation.  A
> rabbi and family members were present.  A wooded sign over the
> graves bore the names Ruti Babu, Ruti Cohen, Reuven Refaelov and
> Moshe Mishraki.  A spokesman for the families said this was proof
> of a planned fraud, in which funerals were staged and evidence
> falsified.
>
>   Public Security minister Avigdor Kahalani has expressed his shock
> at the discovery of the empty graves.  Kahalani is of Yemenite
> origin.  He said he shared the families' grief and noted that
> families had feared all along that their children had disappeared
> and not died as they were told.  He said he was confident that
> the commission, investigating the missing children, would bring
> the truth to light.  (Kol Israel, August 17, 1997).
>
>   This Israel State Radio reported inaccurately that "all the
> children were Yemenite."  However, the Cohen family came from
> Iraq.  The State Radio reported also that Israel TV's Channel 1
> filmed the opening of the graves, while the film was made by the
> "Mishkan Ohalim" organization, and later on broadcasted on
> Channel 1 news.
>
>   Public Security Minister Kahalani has since done nothing to
> advance inquiries into this case.  Regarding Kahalani's remarks
> about his confidence in the government commission, it was the
> third government commission established to investigate this
> matter, and it was closed down at the end of December, 1997. The
> commission chairman was retired Israeli Supreme Court Judge
> Yehuda Cohen.  The other two commission members were retired
> Judge Dalia Kobel and Bridagier General David Maimon.
>
>   Like the two previous Israeli Commissions of inquiry (nominated
> by the Government), the Bahalul-Minkovski commission (first) and
> the Shalgi commission (second), the Cohen commission gathered
> information but did nothing beyond that.
>
>   The only positive purpose served by these commissions was to
> bring people involved in this sad story together.  In some cases,
> parents were able to find their kidnapped children as a result.
>
>   The only response these fortunate parents received from the
> committees was a "case closed" letter, congratulating them for
> finding their children, and notifying them that the commission
> has finished taking their testimony.  These cases received no
> press coverage.  No notification was made to the public.
>
>   It is the opinion of many that the Israeli Government commissions
> are eager to cover up of the truth regarding these kidnapped
> children.
>
>   Unlike Public Security Minister Kahalani, there is a politician
> who continues to speak out publicly on this issue.  He is Meretz
> Knesset member Ran Cohen.  Following the August 17, 1997,
> cemetery exposure, MK Cohen asked commission chairman Yehuda
> Cohen to assist any family, who wants to open the grave of a
> "deceased" child.  He asked the State to pay for opening these
> graves, as well as genetic testing of any bones that might be
> found.  MK Cohen also asked the government's legal advisor to
> initiate a police investigation of criminal activities related to
> the disappearance of these children.
>
>   Both, the third commission and the government legal advisor,
> disregarded all of Ran Cohen's requests.  Most people are unaware
> of the fact that, as MK Cohen told me, his family comes from Iraq
> and that two of his relatives were among the missing children. MK
> Cohen did not name the two relatives.
>
>   Perhaps one of them is Ruti Cohen's missing daughter, whose empty
> grave was opened that August day.  I raise this question because
> MK Cohen began to show an interest in this case after the August
> expose, the family names are identical and both are from Iraq.
> There is even a resemblance between MK Cohen and Ruti Cohen's
> father Aaron.
>
>   Aaron Cohen and his family were interviewed the day after the
> cemetery dig by the Israeli newspaper "Yediot Acharonot."  The
> headline of this article was, "They told us she died, but the
> grave is empty."
>
>   Aaron Cohen was quoted in the story as saying "They told us she
> died, but that's a lie.  The grave is empty, she isn't there. She
> is alive, alive, alive!"  Mr. Cohen dug into the grave with his
> own hands, about one meter deep, felt the soil, and found nothing
> at all.  The family cannot forget their daughter, and their
> thought she might be still alive won't leave them.
>
>   "The family came to Israel from Iraq, in 1951.  The family
> reports that their daughter was two months old when the incident
> occurred, on the 26th of January, 1954.  The mother says that the
> daughter began coughing one night, and the mother noticed she had
> a little fever.  She took the daughter to a doctor the next day,
> and was told to take her to the Hadassah Hospital, in Tel-Aviv.
> She gave her daughter to a nurse there at 1 P.M., and was then
> asked to leave.  By 3 P.M.  the family was called and told the
> girl was dead, and that they should not come to the funeral,
> because they [the hospital] would bury her themselves.
>
>   "The mother was only 17 years old at the time this happened.
> Ever since the daughter's death, the family has been going to
> the Interior Affairs Ministry, and asking for a death certificate.
> The family was told their daughter does not even exist in the
> population records.  The family's two other daughters, Shuli and
> Rachel, have invested much time and effort in attempting to
> secure some sort of official document which would enable them to
> clear up what happened over 43 years ago.
>
>   "July of '97 was their first success in getting any sort of
> document.  Shuli was able to get a death certificate which was
> sent with no date on it and various other details omitted.  She
> went to them [ the Interior Ministry ] again, telling them of
> this problem, and was then given a completed death certificate,
> dated, with all the other details that had been missing."
>
>   The "Miskhan Ohalim" operation in August, 1997, was not the
> only time an attempt was made to dig up graves.  Prior to that a
> series of articles appeared in the "Yom Le-Yom" newspaper, by the
> journalists Yehuda Yisraelov and Shmuel Amrani.  These two
> journalists have done an amazing job of gathering testimony and
> evidence about the case.
>
>   One such story is that of Bracha Zugier, the daughter of
> Shalom and Sarah Zugier.  Bracha's older sister Yehudit gave the
> testimony.  As with many other cases, this one occured in the
> immigrant camp at Rosh Ha-Ayin.  When Bracha was about seven
> months old she was sent to the Tel-HaShomer Hospital with minor
> gum problems.  Soon after, the hospital notified the Zugier
> family that Bracha died.
>
>   In this case the Zugiers were told to collect the body from
> the hospital.  When several family members came to the hospital
> they were given a suitcase.  The Zugiers were warned not to open
> the suitcase under any circumstances, but to bury it immediately.
> They were told that Bracha's body was in the suitcase, and that
> she had a dangerous contagious disease.  The Zugiers were told
> that there was no need for a death certificate, or for any other
> kind of certificate.  They should simply bury Bracha right away.
>
>   Bracha's sister, Yehudit, who gave the testimony on which this
> account is based, was a curious eight year old girl at the time.
> She saw the suitcase on a table in a room, opened it, and
> according to her testimony she found a doll inside on a pile of
> straw.
>
>   Yehudit called her mother, telling her that she found a doll
> in the suitcase.  Yehudit's mother ran into the room, yelled at
> Yehudit for opening the suitcase, and closed it immediately,
> without noticing what was in the suitcase.  Her mother could not
> imagine what was so obvious to the eight year old girl, that the
> suitcase contained nothing but a doll.  She could not believe
> that the hospital lied to her about Bracha's death.
>
>   Eight year old Yehudit did not realize the implications of her
> discovery.  The suitcase with the doll in it was buried in the
> Rosh Ha-Ayin Cemetery.  Today, Yehudit is still sure that she saw
> a doll, not her sister Bracha.
>
>   As the years passed, Yehudit continued to tell her family what
> she saw in the suitcase at the hospital.  Her family began to
> believe that Yehudit was telling the truth, but did not know what
> to do about it.  They began to receive mail for Bracha, including
> army draft notices and election registration forms.  Interior
> Affairs Ministry and Population Registry office records indicated
> that Bracha was still alive.
>
>   When they received no response to her draft notices, army
> representatives came to look for Bracha, thinking she was
> avoiding her army service.  Bracha's father Shalom told the
> soldiers: "Look as much as hard as you can.  Maybe you'll have
> some luck finding her."
>
>   Shalom died a few months ago.  Yehudit repeatedly asked him for
> years to testify before the government commissions.  He told his
> daughter: "And all those who appeared before the commissions,
> what good did it do them?"
>
>   Based on my research and interviews with families whose children
> disappeared, I believe that thousands of parents will not testify
> before the government commissions, because they believe that
> their testimony will not make any difference.
>
>   Two years before Bracha was allegedly stolen from the Zugier
> family, they came close to losing their son Shimon, who is alive
> and well today.  At that time the family were new immigrants in
> Israel, and lived near Rosh Ha-Ayin.
>
>   Yehudit recalls: "Every day, nurses would walk around the camp,
> looking for children they could take to the baby homes for one
> reason or another.  One nurse walked up to my mother and said:
> 'Your child looks ill, he needs vitamins.' Shimon, then about 3
> years old, was taken to an infant care center approximately half
> a kilometer away from where we lived.
>
>   "My father and I, when I was 6 years old, would go to the infant
> care center every day to visit Shimon, and Mom would sometimes
> come too.  Dad would go in, and show Shimon to me through a
> window.  One afternoon when we came they told my father not to go
> in.  Daddy picked me up so I could look through the window.  I
> told him Shimon's bed was empty.  Daddy attempted to go in again
> and they told him that Shimon died.
>
>   "Daddy was surprised.  'He was healthy this morning.' He again,
> requested to enter, and they said: 'You can't go in there - it's
> dangerous, you'll catch a disease.' Daddy was a strong man and
> did not give up.  He forced the door open and went in.  The
> doctor grabbed him, but Daddy pushed the doctor and went inside
> anyway, looking for Shimon.  The hospital staff tried to stop
> him, but he continued from room to room, looking for Shimon."
>
>   "I heard screams from inside the building.  I was a personal
> witness to this entire story.  Daddy found Shimon, alive and
> well.  The hospital staff attempted to block his way out, so
> Daddy broke a window and jumped out holding Shimon."
>
>   "The same day policemen came to our house to return 'sick'
> Shimon to the infant care center.  Daddy raised havoc and yelled:
> 'I'll kill you all if it takes, but nobody's taking my son.' They
> told him: 'Your son is sick, you're going to die.' Daddy
> responded: 'Don't worry about me'."
>
>   This story is almost identical to the one I heard recently from
> relatives of a personal friend.  My sources wish to remain
> anonymous.  Their story is told by a woman, today a grandmother,
> the sister of a man who as a baby was almost stolen in the same
> way.
>
>   This family immigrated to Israel from Tripoli, Libya, in the
> early 1950s.  They lived in an Israeli immigration camp.  One
> day, the family's youngest child, a several month old baby, was
> taken to an infant care center.
>
>   The family visited him almost every day.  The baby's mother
> arrived at the entrance to the child care center, and was told
> that her baby has died, and that she should leave.  The mother
> insisted on seeing a body, but was told the body was already
> taken away. She forced her way into the center, despite staff
> efforts to stop her, and ran to her baby's room.  She found him
> in his regular bed.
>
>   The mother grabbed her baby, refused to let go, and began to
> scream.  Fearing a confrontation, the child care center staff let
> her go.
>
>   Families who found their "dead" children in immigration camp
> child care centers were fortunate.  When the children "died" in
> regular hospitals, there was no way the families get their
> children back.  A personal acquaintance of mine told me what
> happened to his brother at the Rambam Hospital in Haifa.
>
>   The story of the Jerby family, also immigrants from Tripoli,
> Lybia, is told by two brothers whom I have known for many years.
> The brothers, Ya'acov and Tzion Jerby, both recall how they lost
> their baby brother Mordechai.  Mordechai got sick and was taken
> from the immigration camp to Rambam Hospital.  Their father
> regularly went to Haifa to visit Mordechai.  One day the doctors
> told him that Mordechai had recovered, and that he would be
> released from the hospital in two days.
>
>   When the father returned to the hospital two days later, he was
> told that Mordechai had died.  He asked when Mordechai died and
> from what cause.  The doctors gave him no answer.  The father
> received no death certificate, nor was it told where Mordechai
> was buried.  The family was planning to testify before the Cohen
> commission, which was closed down at the end of December 1997.
>
>   So many incidents occurred at Haifa's Rambam Hospital that it
> acquired the nickname of the "Mengele Hospital" and "The Jewish
> Treblinka."  However, Rambam was not the only hospital where
> immigrant children "died."
>
>   The "Yom Le-Yom" article also describes the report on TV's
> Channel One's "Mabat Sheni" news program, about Leora Lebkowitz,
> a journalist who used underground radar technology imported from
> the United States to check the graves.  Ms.  Lebkowitz conduced
> her tests in several cemeteries, and the results were simply
> unbelievable. Many of the graves were empty.  Many tombstones
> had no graves beneath them.  In the Pardes Hannah cemetery over
> fifteen tombstones were found with no graves underneath.
>
> The next article includes details of how these alleged crimes
> were and continued to be covered up, and public interest is
> encouraged to forget about them.  You will also read of some of
> the individuals actively participating in this cover-up.
>
> © Yechiel Mann,
> Eshhar, Israel

what a load of crap. even the 'author' admits its crap. He doesn't
seem to understand the meaning of the word "alleged". must be a muslim
that wrote that crap
CRAP IS YOU! THE YID CRAP! THIS IS A HORRENDOUS CRIME, JEWS ARE VERY GOOD AT 
COVERING THE CRIMES OF THEIR OWN




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> Since its first issue in 1945, COMMENTARY has published hundreds of 
> articles
> about Jews and Judaism. As one would expect, they cover just about every
> important aspect of the topic.

HEY ARSEHOLE, DOES COMMENTARY COVER THE DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE AND THE 
BEERSHEBA GENOICIDE? I GUESS NOT! 




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 F rench people have a different idea to idea of the long nosed Sarkozy, 
whose old man was responsible for delivering the Gyor Jews to the Nazis in 
1944 




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 wrote in message news:pS30i.11314$rm.10471@trndny03...
>
> On  8-May-2007, "DoD"  wrote:
>
>> Nevertheless, Casa's optimism seems to be shared by Israeli leaders. 
>> Likud
>> chairman Binyamin Netanyahu called Sarkozy's electoral victory good news
>> for
>> Israeli-French relations on Sunday night, adding, "Sarkozy is a friend of
>> Israel and a personal friend of mine. He wants to help Israel achieve 
>> true
>> peace, and he understands our security needs well."
>
> Of course, Israeli leaders would be stupid not to be as friendly
> as possible to Sarkozy - heck, all the world leaders would be
> stupid not to give him as much suppot as possible.

Absolutely, Jews  should be grateful to Sarkozy Senior for sending them to 
the camps in 1944 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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> At UC Berkeley on Wednesday, May 2, 2007, Jimmy Carter spoke about Middle
> East "peace." Chancellor Robert Birgeneau began Carter's introduction by
> saying  "Although most of our undergraduate students were not even born 
> when
> Jimmy Carter served as the 39th President of the US from 1977-1981, his
> impact on the world and long life of public service continues to draw
> students."  That was indeed the problem.  Most of the 1,200 students --  
> who
> attended this event and nearly made a full house at Zellerbach Auditorium 
> on
> the Cal campus -- were clearly too young to know Carter's past history 
> and,
> consequently, lacked a frame of reference with which to filter information
> and make up their own minds about Carter and his message.

There is nothing in Carter's past that he should not be proud of. You filthy 
Jews are besmirching one of the greatest presidents of these United States 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message
> news:1178652902.591231.24730@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> DoD wrote:
>> > "We need to take a poll. How
>> > many think we should draft Jimmy Carter for President?"
>> > The students roared their approval.
>>
>> That was the wrong the question.
>>
>> The right question was
>> "how many support Carter's decision to
>> reinstitute draft registration?
>
> LOL....on the one of the (if not the liberalist) college campuses? I 
> wonder
> how many of them have the critical thinking skills to think things like 
> that
> through. Evan Sayet said it best.  The modern Liberal (upper case L) is
> stripped of critical thinking skills.
>
> I liked David Horowitz debate with Ward Churchill. Ward called for 
> campuses
> to teach nothing but stuff from the liberal point of view. David wanted
> stuff to be called down the middle without any point of view and teach
> critical thinking skills,

Jews are making inroads into the brains of the young minds, by harping the 
invented "history" of their phony Holofucks 




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"JBgarbuz"  wrote in message 
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> "ElParedon"  wrote in message
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>> DO THE GOOD CANADIANS ALSO SPY FOR ISRAEL?
>> Do "good" Americans spy for Israel
>>
>> May 7, 2007 Issue
>>  Is there a First Amendment right to engage in espionage? <
>
> The only spies executed in modern  times were Jews, the Rosenbergs. And
> Pollard was given a life sentence for spying for a friendly state. I bet 
> no
> French or British spy would get that kind of lengthy sentence.
Can you name one Frenchman or Britisher who spied on USA? 




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"DoD"  wrote in message 
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>A review of Nadia Abu El-Haj, Facts on the Ground: Archaeological Practice
> and Territorial Self-Fashioning In Israeli Society
>
> The politicization of archaeology is nothing new. What is new in Facts on
> the Ground, is the length to which author Nadia Abu El-Haj of the Columbia
> University Anthology faculty has gone to ignore, distort, revise, imply 
> and
> assert the inaccuracy of historical fact. Her political motive is to
> deconstruct the legitimacy of the State of Israel.
>
>
> Consistent with her goal, she cites the "issue" of place names and where
> they should be situated (p. 96). She not only claims that there were
> imperial colonial motives underlying the work of the Naming Committee
> (Va'adat ha-Shemot), thereby tainting their work, but that the new naming 
> pf
> places by new inhabitants was, somehow, a unique event, a conscious and
> illegitimate effort to obliterate Arab claims of a continuous and
> uninterrupted presence on the land.
>
>
> What Ms. Abu El-Haj does not acknowledge is that the renaming of places by
> Israelis echoes the prior replacement of ancient Hebrew names by a new
> Arab/Muslim population centuries earlier, for example, the Biblical name
> Shechem had been used for centuries before subsequent Arab inhabitants
> renamed the place Nablus.

And Cairo is known in most of the world as such, but no Egyptian would 
recognize the name, to an E gyptian it is imply El Kahera, or simpler Masr

Inhabitants of Israel are neither jews nor semites they ar Russians and 
Europeans, only about half of whom even speek Hebrew. So what claim do they 
have to the ancient Palestinian villages?




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From: Venceremos 
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On May 8, 2:36 pm, "staten"  wrote:
> "Benyamin Cramer"  wrote in message
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> > "staten"  wrote in message
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> >>>> Muslims have never lived in piece with others.
>
> >>> Lying cunt. They lived in perfect harmony with the yids in Palestine,
> >>> until the arrival of the European zionazis.

Muslims and Jews lived together for thousand years, in peace i might
add, there were no pogroms or Holofucks against jews.  In fact if it
was not for the kindness of muslims there would be no Jews, muslims
coulod have simply let Isabella have her way and string the Jews up,
instead muslims SAVED THE JEWS.



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On May 8, 3:21 pm, "staten"  wrote:
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
>
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>
> On May 6, 5:42 pm, "staten"  wrote:
>
> > "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
> >> Muslims have never lived in piece with others. It's wishful thinking a=
nd
> >> a
> > stupid naivet=E9 . It is not the  nature of Islam to live in peace with
> >> non-Muslims. The Koran  directly instructs Muslims how  they have to
> >> treat
> > unbelievers.
> >Baloney, they lived in peace for many many years prior to the ZioNazi
> >Jews arriving with their disgusting and hate filled Christ killer's
> >Talmud which attacks Christians continually.
>
> "Peace and harmony" Islam's way means - convert to Islam, accept a
> humiliating dhimmi status or die.



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US judge drops charges against anti-Castro militant


44 minutes ago


MIAMI (AFP) - A US federal judge in Texas freed anti-Castro militant Luis 
Posada Carriles after dropping immigration charges against the ex-CIA 
contractor whom Cuba and Venezuela call a terrorist.

"I am free," exclaimed Posada Carriles, 79, on Miami's Radio Mambi, shortly 
after the judge in El Paso dropped all seven charges linked to his sneaking 
into the United States and lying to immigration authorities.

"Thank God, you, all of my brothers, the people in Cuba .. for this 
victory," said Posada Carriles, who is accused by Cuba and Venezuela of 
masterminding a 1976 plane bombing that killed 73 people.

"This is a total victory, it is a victory for the Cuban-American people, for 
the Cuban people," his lawyer, Arturo Hernández said.

In her 38-page order, Judge Kathleen Cardone said the US government 
improperly obtained the seven-count criminal indictment.

She said authorities tricked Posada Carriles into giving evidence during a 
two-day naturalization interview, even though he was not eligible for 
citizenship because of a previous conviction in Panama.

"This court finds that the government engaged in fraud, deceit, and trickery 
when it misrepresented to defendant that the purpose of asking him such 
extensive questions about his means of entry into the United States, his 
conduct in Panama and Venezuela, and his use of various aliases and 
passports was merely to 'clarify the record'," Cardone wrote.

Posada Carriles was jailed in Venezuela in 1976 for allegedly masterminding 
the downing of a Cuban jet off Barbados.

He escaped in 1985, was sentenced to eight years in jail in Panama for a 
2000 bomb plot to assassinate Cuban President Fidel Castro, and was pardoned 
four years later.

US authorities are investigating whether Posada Carriles was involved in a 
1997 Havana hotel bombing that killed an Italian tourist, the Miami Herald 
reported last week.

Posada Carriles has not been indicted in the United States for any of the 
attacks, though a grand jury in New Jersey is reportedly pursuing the 1997 
bombing.

The Cuban-born Venezuelan national was detained by US immigration officials 
in May 2005 after allegedly entering the United States illegally through 
Mexico.

"The realm of this case is not, as some have suggested, terrorism. It is 
immigration fraud," Cardone said.

"Terrorism, and the determination of whether or not to classify an 
individual as a terrorist, lies within the sound discretion of the executive 
branch. It does not lie with this court," the judge said.

Authorities in Havana and Caracas, and relatives of victims of the 1976 
bombing, insist Posada Carriles should be tried as a dangerous terrorist 
responsible for the deaths of dozens of people.

Castro claimed on Monday an earlier decision to free Posada Carriles on bond 
pending what was the be the May 11 start of the trial had encouraged two 
army deserters to attempt to hijack a plane in Havana last week, with deadly 
consequences for two other soldiers.

The failed hijacking was "a result of the freeing of a terrorist monster," 
Castro wrote in Cuba's state-run Granma daily.

Cuba and Venezuela have both demanded Posada Carriles's extradition, but US 
authorities refused, saying he might be tortured, and failed to find takers 
when they suggested sending him to a third country.

Declassified US documents show that Posada Carriles worked for the CIA from 
1965 to June 1976. He also reportedly helped the US government ferry 
supplies to the Contra rebels who waged a bloody campaign to topple the 
socialist Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the 1980s.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070509/ts_alt_afp/ustrialattackscubavenezuela_070509010812 




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 SOME PLOT, FLOP! 




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 wrote in message 
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> Massive Muslim immigration to the United States continues...
>
> Is there any statesman among the political dwarfs who understands that
> Islam is our enemy?
ONLY STUPID IDIOTS LIKE YOURSELF THINK THAT!  ENLIST, YOU STUPID SON OF A 
BITCH! 




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