The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED
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On Mar 31, 6:42 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > HE SOLD MILLIONS OF THE BEST BOOKS
>
> \
>
> How many books he sold is absolutely no indication of whether what he says
> in them is true. David Irving is a  proven liar  and distorter of history.
> I suppose you class Mein Kampf as one of literatures great works as
> well......
>
> ON THE PERIOD OF NAZI OCCUPATION OF
>
> > EUROPE, NO MATTER WHAT YO SAY. MANY PEOPLE DENY THE JEWISH VERSION OF
> > THE HOLOCAUST TALE INCLUDING YOURS TRULY
>
> The problem is Alex he lied and distorted history and historians worth their
> 'salt' reject his work, many of his claims.The fact is that David Irving
> wanted fame and money and he was prepared to falsify history to get it.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

David Irving is not rich, and never has been. If you gave me an
example about this "distortion" mI could either refute it or admit it
as false, but you never do that. Irving has never denied that European
Holocaust killed millions of people. What he denies is that the
European Holocaust killed millions of Jews that your kind claims. That
being settled give me any other "distortions" of history. I am waiting



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Mar 31, 7:56 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
>
> >  There seems to be a place called Pokrovskoe located in the environs
> > of Moscow and on the railway line , but it isn't called Prosad
> > Provoskoe and there is no mention of any slaughter there!
>
> I just found this:
>
> Pokrovskoe Pensione (hotel)
>
> Rest House: 230 rooms Photo
> 143066 Moscow Region, Odintsovo district, Pokrovskoe Village
>
> http://all-hotels.ru/h110642/index.en.html-
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

What an idiot! There are many Pokrovskoe in the environs of Russia,
Posad Pokrovskoe is located near Krivi Rig Ukraine, not far from where
one of the worst criminals in Russian history was born LEON TROTSKY
(born Bernstein), the man who passed the death sentence on my family



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Mar 31, 7:51 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > And Communism was a construct of the Jews.
>
> Karl Marx wrote the treastise, but Russian communism in many ways bore  no
> resemblance to the original.
> Marx's book was a response to the poverty that was endemic,

"Treatises" they are not. "Das Kapital" was the "Mein Kampf" of the
Russian revolution, hardly a treatise (check the dictionary)


Both Marx and Engels advocated that masses take power of the
government into their own hands by force, hardly a peaceful response
to poverty!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Mar 31, 7:34 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> >  TELLING ME THAT CZAR WAS NOT MURDERED BY THE JEWS? OR ARE YOU TELLING
> > ME THAT MY OWN FAMILY IN POKROVSKOE WAS NOT KILLED BY JEWS?
>
> The deaths of the Russian Royal Family wasn't a Jewish plot,

FUCK OFF!

SVERDLOV ORDERED THE EXECUTION, THE ORIGINAL TELEGRAM STILL EXISTS, HE
WAS A JEW

HE ORDERED A JEWISH EXECUTION SQUAD TO KILL THE FAMILY USING BAYONETS,
AND THEY DID, THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE RUSSIAN AMONGST THE EXECUTIONERS

CZAR WAS NOT  A BRIGHT PERSON, BUT HE WAS NOT A BRUTAL DICTATOR NOR A
MASS MURDERER, NOR DID HE HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE JEW, HE WAS AN
INEFFICIENT RULER, A GARDENER AT HEART, AND A MAN OF PEACE, WHO DID
NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE PEACE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Mar 31, 6:57 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
> > Venceremos wrote:
>
> > > So how many years will it take you read it, solovei?
>
> > A few weeks  perhaps, maybe three months.
>
> I have already speed read a lot of it.I want to read it again and take
> notes.

DO NOT BOTHER, I WILL POST THE JUICY PARTS RIGHT HERE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Mar 31, 6:44 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > The lies you have concocted do not apply to me, they are your
> > creation. I neither have to deny them nor refute them, nothing of the
> > kindwas said by me.
>
> > Being a "revisionist" is another thing. I know of no scholar who is
> > NOT a revisionist, otherwise the purpose of his very existence is
> > worthless.
>
> The work of real historians is based on provable facts.

Past is never provable, under any circumstances, even something which
happened just five minutes ago cannot be proved by any means other
than circumstantial



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WAS THE HOLOCAUST REAL????
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A_likely_Jew wrote:
> Fist of all,The holocaust is an idea that was dreamed up by the
> Whiners of the jewish community. It totally never happened - in
> reality, Hitler was running a summer camp for Jewish adults and youth
> who needed to chill out and get over themselves, some of these people
> actually admitted to having ridiculous fears, such as "the fear of
> eating pork". Any supposed testimony given by a "holocaust survivor"
> is clearly false, Thus Nazism is like totally overated. Another thing
> is how people can also get all fagged up into buying into NEO NAZIism
> and Aryon brotherhood, this is seriously about as fake as the
> holocaust theory itself. This a sad reallity that results from totally
> confused idiots who usually have nothing better to do besides post
> bitchy weblogs about thier everyday peice of shit life and believing
> in this alleged Holocaust, and other totally untrue things such as
> "Religion".Any body that even believes that that wad of crap has any
> sort of credibility at all is beyond gay, Neo Nazi's know deep down
> inside, that, that shit never happened there just USING it as an
> EXcuse to massivley punish other races, and as far as the JEWS go,
> well, if there gunna try to convince me there was ever a holocaust,
> they have a better chance of me believing that the civil war was
> fought over slavery. And what about Hitler, did any one ever actually
> SEE him kill 6 million(i vote less) Jews? America has been hit by an
> astroid of idiocy... God. Growup, Get a life, and srsly, GET OVER
> YOUSELF!

It was real allright, but it did not involve six million Jews that is
for cert!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED
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On Mar 31, 10:09 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Mar 31, 5:15 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 9:32 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > > Cazador wrote:
> > > > Citation, please?
>
> > No problema mis amigo cabal:
>
> > "The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
> > Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
> > 1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
> > to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
> > places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
> > economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
> > inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
> > designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
> > dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
> > completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
> > from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
> > sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
> > the corpses into the burial ditch."
>
> So, a fellow you say is Jewish invents a gas truck and you conclude
> that "Jewish Commissars killed more people than were killed in all the
> wars combined." Brilliant, Alex. Why doesn't Solzhenitsyn draw the
> conclusion if it is his book?
>
>
>
> > Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
> > unpublishable in America:
>
> > "On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
> > three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
> > to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
> > First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
> > traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
> > Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
> > taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
> > liquidate the enemy."
>
> So, Lenin recruited Jews for various reasons and therefore "Jewish
> Commissars killed more people than were killed in all the wars
> combined." Brilliant. A tour de force in penetrating logic and
> analysis.
>
>
>
> > "Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
> > criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
> > betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
> > Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
> > Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
> > Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
> > Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
> > Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."
>
> So, you have a list of twenty Jewish guys who worked in the Marxist/
> Leninist killing fields.They were murderers. Therefore "Jewish
> Commissars killed more people than were killed in all the wars
> combined." If this were true then Russians and other nationalities
> would have been denied the right to kill anyone. There would have been
> no potential victims left. This is impossible. Tell us, what are
> Solzhenitsyn's conclusions? We're not interested in yours because you
> compulsively embroider. I don't think you actually read the books in
> any event.

Not really! The sad story of the Jewish domination of the Soviet
CHEKA, NKVD,KGB,Smersh and other extermination organizations is not
only confirmed by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, but by many thousands of
other people including the survivors of Lubianka, and the gulags.

I do not "embroider" nothing. I either have personal knowledge of the
event or have a written proof of it. Leon Trotsky (Bernstein) was
probably the bloodiest of all Jewish Commissars, he was born just few
miles from my grandfathers estate, his finger pointed at anyone meant
that the person was dead in minutes. To say nothing  about Yagoda,
Sverdlov and dozens of other Jews who sold their soul to their
communist ambitions. I will be posting their names for you in due time



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 MAYBE INDONESIA SHOULD BUILD A "HOLOCAUST MUSEUM' TO HALF A MILLION
TASMANIAN ABORIGINALS EXTERMINATED BY THE BRITISH ZIONIST HORDE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WAS THE HOLOCAUST REAL????
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On Mar 31, 9:42 pm, "A_likely_Jew"  wrote:
> Fist of all,The holocaust is an idea that was dreamed up by the
> Whiners of the jewish community. It totally never happened - in
> reality, Hitler was running a summer camp for Jewish adults and youth
> who needed to chill out and get over themselves, some of these people
> actually admitted to having ridiculous fears, such as "the fear of
> eating pork". Any supposed testimony given by a "holocaust survivor"
> is clearly false, Thus Nazism is like totally overated. Another thing
> is how people can also get all fagged up into buying into NEO NAZIism
> and Aryon brotherhood, this is seriously about as fake as the
> holocaust theory itself. This a sad reallity that results from totally
> confused idiots who usually have nothing better to do besides post
> bitchy weblogs about thier everyday peice of shit life and believing
> in this alleged Holocaust, and other totally untrue things such as
> "Religion".Any body that even believes that that wad of crap has any
> sort of credibility at all is beyond gay, Neo Nazi's know deep down
> inside, that, that shit never happened there just USING it as an
> EXcuse to massivley punish other races, and as far as the JEWS go,
> well, if there gunna try to convince me there was ever a holocaust,
> they have a better chance of me believing that the civil war was
> fought over slavery. And what about Hitler, did any one ever actually
> SEE him kill 6 million(i vote less) Jews? America has been hit by an
> astroid of idiocy... God. Growup, Get a life, and srsly, GET OVER
> YOUSELF!

Take a look at this statement by Norman Finkelstein, made to Mossad
MEMRI but take note of the portions of his statement censored in red
below, the video
It takes a while to laad but it is worth waiting for:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=w3t_news_video&Number=295378952







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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 1:35 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
> > "Screaming Banchee," is a derogatory 'name,' for First Nations
> > Peoples.
> > Where is the fabled jew intelligence?
> > Racist, Hypocrite!
>
> What a load of absolute crap.
> Did you make it up Mirelle?

She is right, it is a derogatory term used for the Blackfoot Indians
especially!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 4:30 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1175412115.430429.227280@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 6:46 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> >> Venceremos wrote:
> >> > On Mar 31, 7:51 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> >> > > Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> >> > > > And Communism was a construct of the Jews.
>
> >> > > Karl Marx wrote the treastise, but Russian communism in many ways
> >> > > bore  no resemblance to the original.
> >> > > Marx's book was a response to the poverty that was endemic,
>
> >> > "Treatises" they are not. "Das Kapital" was the "Mein Kampf" of the
> >> > Russian revolution, hardly a treatise (check the dictionary)
>
> >> > Both Marx and Engels advocated that masses take power of the
> >> > government into their own hands by force, hardly a peaceful response
> >> > to poverty!
>
> >> Are you aware the masses had already tried peaceful means to get the Czar
> >> to
> >> change the system?
>
> >  No, tell us all about it.
>
> Can I tell you about being a fake British bitch?
>
> Why don't you go back to Britain? .... Oh yes.... People there don't want
> you... A few comments from some British people said to take your sorry ass
> to Australia...

Considering the fact that you are a Croatian fascist (ustasha) you
have no right to tell anyone where to go, you filthy scum, you have
been tolerated in this country, against which thousands of your
ustasha brother fought right to the end. Some of the worst massacres
during the WWII are wholly ascribable to your Ustasha movement,
including the plunder of the museums by the scum called Ante Pavelic.
It is amazing that Jews accept  you as one of their own not knowing
that ustrashas exterminated ALL of the Croatian Jews even before t hey
were asked to do so by Hitler

"Za dom spremni!"
>
> I guess Americans hate you and so do your so called British line....
>
> What a whore... nobody wants you....
>
> LOL




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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 4:48 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > What an idiot! There are many Pokrovskoe in the environs of Russia,
> > Posad Pokrovskoe is located near Krivi Rig Ukraine, not far from where
> > one of the worst criminals in Russian history was born LEON TROTSKY
> > (born Bernstein), the man who passed the death sentence on my family
>
> Alex, Cazador has asked you to provide a location and a list of your
> murdered relatives so he can researchthe matter and get to the truth.
> You refuse to do so!.Why?
> One can only conclude you have something to hide. ie you are lying..

Nothing to hide arsehole. My people were slaughtered by Jews in Posad
Pokrovskoe, Near Krivi Rig on order of Trotsky garbage (name
Bernstein)
as were 7.5 million other Ukrainians. Jews killed them all. Several
universities in Ukraine have compiled the list of atrocities comitted
by Jews. I have access to far more information than any of you!



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On Apr 1, 5:02 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
>
>    How typical of your tribe - Deny, Deny, Deny.
>
> >   Scream "Forgery" as loud as you can and
> >    hope everyone will believe it. No wonder
> >     why so many of you are called "shysters",
> >    your disgusting courtroom antics and pettifogging
> >   are enough to turn the stomach.
>
> Alex is a proven liar many times over.
>
> He blatantly lied yesterday conccerning Sozhenitsyn's book.

Name one lie you filthy Jew scum, just one!Z



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On Apr 1, 5:53 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
> >   No, tell us all about it. The Christian
> >   people loved their Tsar and his family, who,
> >   BTW were Queen Victoria's grandchildren.
>
> Are you unaware the Russian Orthodox Church relied almost totally on the
> patronage of the bourgoise in Czarist Russia.?

ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR ENCLAVE AND ALL THE JEWISH INSTITUTION RELY ON
THE DEEP POCKETS OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 6:07 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
>
> 
>
> > Typical Boedicea remark- to be expected from the Jew hater and white
> > supreemacist who believes shewais born entitled to wealth , status
> > and the respect of those she regards in inferior..
>
> Correction:
>
> Typical Boedicea remark-to be expected from the Jew hater ,white supremacist
> and ghastly  British snob ,who believes everything about herself and her
> family is superior and worthy of respect.
> Actually Boedicea you are very transparent , an uptight, frigid, British
> snob  (judging by what you have said over the last five years)who hates sex
> and lies back and thinks of England when she does her 'marital duty' and is
> in reality very  insecure .
>
 ARE YOU SANE, TILLY ? WHAT DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE MESSAGE
BOEDICIA HAS POSTED?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:45 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JEW-HATING COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 1:05 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 31-Mar-2007, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > Venceremos wrote:
>
> > > Past is never provable, under any circumstances, even something which
> > > happened just five minutes ago cannot be proved by any means other
> > > than circumstantial
>
> > Oh... so I presume you think criminal trials are a waste of time because
> > past crimes aren't provable.
>
> Rather, that's what he's hoping.
>
> Susan
WHY? DO YOU THINK THAT MY PUSSY CAT CAN BE PROSECUTED FOR SCREWING A
JEWISH FAT CAT NEXT DOOR?




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:45 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: MUSLIM IRAN IS FAR MORE CIVILIZED THAN U.S.
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On Apr 1, 1:23 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:39 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:58 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 7:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > -THEY DID NOT BEAT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT ELECTROCUTE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TAUNT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TERRORIZE THEM WITH DOGS
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STUFF THE FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES UP THEIR ARSE
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STACK THEM ON A PILE LIKE CORDWOOD
> > > > -THEY DID NO RAPE THEIR CHILDREN IN FRONT OF THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT POUR FROZEN WATER ON THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT SUFFOCATE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT "WATERBOARD" THEM
> > > > U.S. HAS DONE ALL O0F THE ABOVE TO MUSLIM PRISONERS AND CONTINUES TO
> > > > TORTURE THEM AS A I WRITE THIS<
>
> > > The reason is simple: THEY WERE CAPTURED IN UNIFORM,
>
> > FUCKING IDIOT! THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TORTURED IN ABU GHRAIB DID NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> Which women and children are  you talking about, the ones tortured
> there by Saddam?
> I think you've confused the US army with Saddam. Abu Ghraib was
> Saddam's torture prison.
>
> > FUCKI8NG IDIOT! DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU CAN TORTURE ANYONE WHO DOES NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> Only those captured in combat without a uniform.

WHAT FUCKING "UNIFORM" DO THE POOR FARMERS WEAR YOU STUPID SICK,
DEPRAVED JEW
USA HAS MURDERED TEN TIMES MORE PEOPLE IN IRAQ THAN SADDAM EVER DID



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:45 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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 MANY THOUSANDS OF JEWS DENY THE JEWST YOU STUPID BRAINLESS SCUM:

Take a look at this statement by Norman Finkelstein, made to Mossad
MEMRI but take note of the portions of his statement censored in red
below, the video
It takes a while to laad but it is worth waiting for:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=w3t_news_video&Number=295378952



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:46 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED!! LIVE WITH IT JEWS!!! YOUR LIES ARE BEING EXPOSED!!!!
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 HOLOFUCKS NEVER HAPPENED, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT

Take a look at this statement by Norman Finkelstein, made to Mossad
MEMRI but take note of the portions of his statement censored in red
below, the video
It takes a while to laad but it is worth waiting for:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=w3t_news_video&Number=295378952



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED!! LIVE WITH IT JEWS!!! YOUR LIES ARE BEING EXPOSED!!!!
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On Apr 1, 2:15 am, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
> "A_likely_Jew"  wrote in message
>
> news:1175404546.789942.47480@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 10:08 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> >> I'll believe you when you find and dig up the bodies of my
> >> grandmother, her first son, her two brothers and first husband. When
> >> you present the skeletons and prove they died a natural death, then
> >> I'll believe  you. I'll tell you the approximate area  those should be
> >> found around: Boremel, Poland.  Find them, produce the corpses, and
> >> show they did not die of shooting, gas or any other nonnatural means,
> >> and then I will believe  you.
>
> >> On Mar 29, 4:56 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> >> >    The worlds largestHolocaustoccured when Jewish dominated CHEKA,
> >> > NKVD, KGB etc. slaughtered close to 100 million Russians, <
>
> >> Dig up the 100 million Russians too, while you're  at it,. Prove in
> >> any way you can, that 100 million Russians died an unnatural death,
> >> i.e., from shooting or other means of murder.
> >> Or give the verified census figures that would prove such people even
> >> existed.
>
> >> > and almost
> >> > wiped out several racial groups, such as Tatars, Chechens, Uigurs and
> >> > Tajiks.<
>
> >> You mean all those who fought with the Nazis?
>
> >> > Jewish Commissars mercilessly killed people with a bullet in the back
> >> > of the head, or worked them to death in the slave camps.<
>
> >> Then you should have no problem finding those bodies as well. Why
> >> don't you produce some census figures to back up your assertions?
> >> We have pre-holocaustJewish census figures, which may or may not be
> >> exactly accurate, but at least give a range. Why don't you produce
> >> Russian census figures at least?
>
> >> > The details on the greatestHolocaustthat befell world are readily
> >> > available in Aleksndr Solzhenitsyn's "200 YEARS TOGETHER" so far
> >> > available in many languages only in Russia, on the behest of the
> >> > Zionists of the world.<
> >> > (The family of yours truly was slaughtered by the Jews at Posad
> >> > Pokrovskoe with a bullet in the back of the head, by the Jewish
> >> > Commissars)<
>
> >> So, produce the bodies with the bullet holes. Were they cremated?
> >> Give me their names. The names of my grandmother and my mother's son
> >> were Yvette and Benjamin respectively. The names of her brothers
> >> escape me at the moment.
> >> The USSR today is relatively free. Have you gone to check about them?
> >> IN any case, Stalin was a Georgian, so why blame Jews?
> >> Why don't you blame Georgians?
> >> My father was made a master sergeant in the Red Army, not because he
> >> wanted the job, or had any great military experience, but because
> >> Stalin knew that Jews would not desert to the Nazi side and would
> >> fight to the end rather than being captured.  So if Stalin used Jews,
> >> why blame them? The Nazis also used Judenrats and Jewish kapos as
> >> well. But in the SS, Germans enlisted to do that work.
> >> No one was forced to be in the SS.
> >> No one was threatened with death for refusing to serve in the SS.
>
> > Fist of all,The holocaust is an idea that was dreamed up by the
> > Whiners of the jewish community. It totally never happened - in
> > reality, Hitler was running a summer camp for Jewish adults and youth
> > who needed to chill out and get over themselves, some of these people
> > actually admitted to having ridiculous fears, such as "the fear of
> > eating pork". Any supposed testimony given by a "holocaust survivor"
> > is clearly false, Thus Nazism is like totally overated. Another thing
> > is how people can also get all fagged up into buying into NEO NAZIism
> > and Aryon brotherhood, this is seriously about as fake as the
> > holocaust theory itself. This a sad reallity that results from totally
> > confused idiots who usually have nothing better to do besides post
> > bitchy weblogs about thier everyday peice of shit life and believing
> > in this alleged Holocaust, and other totally untrue things such as
> > "Religion".Any body that even believes that that wad of crap has any
> > sort of credibility at all is beyond gay, Neo Nazi's know deep down
> > inside, that, that shit never happened there just USING it as an
> > EXcuse to massivley punish other races, and as far as the JEWS go,
> > well, if there gunna try to convince me there was ever a holocaust,
> > they have a better chance of me believing that the civil war was
> > fought over slavery. And what about Hitler, did any one ever actually
> > SEE him kill 6 million(i vote less) Jews? America has been hit by an
> > astroid of idiocy... God. Growup, Get a life, and srsly, GET OVER
> > YOUSELF!
>
> Get psychiatric help before it's too late.  You're seriously ill.
>
SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU ARE A MENTAL CASE RICHARD. HOLOFUCKS IS THE
FIGMENT OF THE ZIONAZI IMAGINATION

Take a look at this statement by Norman Finkelstein, made to Mossad
MEMRI but take note of the portions of his statement censored in red
below, the video
It takes a while to laad but it is worth waiting for:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=w3t_news_video&Number=295378952





From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 6:30 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Apr 1, 1:35 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > > Mirelle wrote:
> > > > "Screaming Banchee," is a derogatory 'name,' for First Nations
> > > > Peoples.
> > > > Where is the fabled jew intelligence?
> > > > Racist, Hypocrite!
>
> > > What a load of absolute crap.
> > > Did you make it up Mirelle?
>
> > She is right, it is a derogatory term used for the Blackfoot Indians
> > especially!
>
> ROFL.
>
> I have looked at seven different dictionaries, not one of which contains
> such a definition, or a reference to the Blackfoot or First Nation.
>
> Lying  for Islam  Alex?
>
ONLY SEVEN? DID YOU READ "RED RIVER REBELLION" ABOUT A GUY CALLED
LOUIS REAL? OF COURSE NOT! DO YOU KNOW WHAT A METI IS? OF COURSE NOT!
WELL YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED ARSEHOLE JEW, METIS WERE CALLED ALSO THE
NAME BY THE REDCOATS!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 6:37 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  Like I told her, ask the First Nations what it means.
>
> > It is exactly as I say.
>
> > Mirelle
>
> No it isn't Mirelle. I have looked at seven dictionaries including Morth
> American ones.
> There are only references to ' female spirits who scream to the dead ',
> 'female elves' and Irish folklore.
>
> Mirelle,

TILLY YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT! "SEVEN DICTIONARIES"? WHY NOT JUST ONE?
THE EXPRESSION HAS BEEN USED IN A DEROGATORY MANNER AGAINST MANY
WARRIORS, MAYBE EVEN AGAINST THE STUPID IDF SOLDIERS WHO SCREAM LIKE
MANIACS AND INSULT EVERYONE IN HEARING RANGE. IT IS CALLED
"ADAPTATION" OF A WORD



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 6:51 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR ENCLAVE AND ALL THE JEWISH INSTITUTION RELY ON
> > THE DEEP POCKETS OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER
>
> As a person who has always given the impression you are into liberation
> poloitics Alex, I would have thought you might have conceded that Russian
> peasants/serfs and workers were treated like shit in Czarist Russia and that
> the majority of them came to belive that revolution was the only way to
> improve their lives.
>
 JEWISH REVOLUTION SCREWED UP THE WORLD, TILLY! I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST
PEOPLE REVOLTING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT BUT THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION WAS
HIJACKED BY THE FUCKING JEWS WHO CONTROLLED EVERYTHING FROM THE
MILITARY TO SVETLANA STALIN



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: HOLOFUCKS AGAIN!
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 DON'T YOU EVER LET AMERICA FORGET THAT THEY BEING FUCKED BY THE JEWS,
BECAUSE NAZIS FUCKED THE JEWS



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: (NEWS) The Holocaust: 100% real
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On Apr 1, 6:20 pm, Ernst Zundel  wrote:
> I admit it, I was just stirring shit to sell more of my crazy books.  The
> more crazy people that believe me, the better I eat.  I know, it was really
> dishonest, but there isn't anything wrong IMO with parting fools from their
> money.  I hope my Jewish friends did not take anything I said seriously.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HOLOFUCKS, BAB?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: IRANIANS ARE FAR MORE CIVILIZED THAN THE RAT NOSED KIKES
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On Apr 1, 3:23 pm, drdave...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:05 am, "PRINCEANDY"  wrote:
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
>
> >news:1175386049.126803.176820@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > What is your point? Muslims are not savage?.  Even if your allegations
> > > are true, do you really think that being waterboarded is worse then
> > > having your head sawed off or being stoned to death or being blown to
> > > pieces while riding a bus.
>
> > I DONT SUPPOSE IT FEELS MUCH BETTER IF A BOMB BLOWS YOU UP ON A BUS, IN YOUR
> > HOME, OR WALKING YOUR FIRST LOVE DOWN THE STREET,  AMERICAS FAVORITE TRICK.
>
> > AND I WONDER HOW YOU CAN BE HAPPY ABOUT YOUR PRESENT ADMINISTRATION ASKING
> > RECRUITS FOR POSITIONS IN THE ARMY AND OTHER SERVICES IF THEY CAN ACCEPT
> > TORTURE? I SUPPOSE OU NEVER WILL UNLESS YOU ARE SUBJECTED TO IT.
>
> > AND IF YOU ARE YOU DO KNOW THAT NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW IF YOU ARE INNOCENT.
> > UNLESS YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN STAND UP TO 5 YEARS OF TORTURE AND STILL BE
> > STANDING THERE SAYING YOU ARE INNOCENT?
>
> I only wish we were using much harsher methods on the islamofacists in
> our custody.

SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU DO NOT REALIZE THAT SOON THERE MIGHT BE THOUSANDS
OF AMERICANS IN THE IRANIAN GUANTANAMO! DOES THIS APPLY TO THEM ALSO?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: MUSLIM IRAN IS FAR MORE CIVILIZED THAN U.S.
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On Apr 1, 1:23 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:39 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:58 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 7:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > -THEY DID NOT BEAT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT ELECTROCUTE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TAUNT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TERRORIZE THEM WITH DOGS
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STUFF THE FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES UP THEIR ARSE
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STACK THEM ON A PILE LIKE CORDWOOD
> > > > -THEY DID NO RAPE THEIR CHILDREN IN FRONT OF THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT POUR FROZEN WATER ON THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT SUFFOCATE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT "WATERBOARD" THEM
> > > > U.S. HAS DONE ALL O0F THE ABOVE TO MUSLIM PRISONERS AND CONTINUES TO
> > > > TORTURE THEM AS A I WRITE THIS<
>
> > > The reason is simple: THEY WERE CAPTURED IN UNIFORM,
>
> > FUCKING IDIOT! THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TORTURED IN ABU GHRAIB DID NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> Which women and children are  you talking about, the ones tortured
> there by Saddam?
> I think you've confused the US army with Saddam. Abu Ghraib was
> Saddam's torture prison.
>
> > FUCKI8NG IDIOT! DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU CAN TORTURE ANYONE WHO DOES NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> Only those captured in combat without a uniform. Anyhow, I have as yet
> seen no evidence of any torture having occurred at Abu Ghraib by
> Americans.

YOU MUST LIVE IN BOONIES!  HOW ABOUT PUTTING WORD "TORTURE IN ABU
GHRAIB" INTO THE GOOGLE BROWSER AND SEE HOW MANY HITS YOU GET!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 1, 8:41 pm, "Al Nakba"  wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:39 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 1:23 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 12:39 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 11:58 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 31, 7:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT BEAT THEM
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT ELECTROCUTE THEM
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT TAUNT THEM
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT TERRORIZE THEM WITH DOGS
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT STUFF THE FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES UP THEIR ARSE
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT STACK THEM ON A PILE LIKE CORDWOOD
> > > > > > -THEY DID NO RAPE THEIR CHILDREN IN FRONT OF THEM
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT POUR FROZEN WATER ON THEM
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT SUFFOCATE THEM
> > > > > > -THEY DID NOT "WATERBOARD" THEM
> > > > > > U.S. HAS DONE ALL O0F THE ABOVE TO MUSLIM PRISONERS AND CONTINUES TO
> > > > > > TORTURE THEM AS A I WRITE THIS<
>
> > > > > The reason is simple: THEY WERE CAPTURED IN UNIFORM,
>
> > > > FUCKING IDIOT! THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TORTURED IN ABU GHRAIB DID NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> > > Which women and children are  you talking about, the ones tortured
> > > there by Saddam?
> > > I think you've confused the US army with Saddam. Abu Ghraib was
> > > Saddam's torture prison.
>
> > > > FUCKI8NG IDIOT! DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU CAN TORTURE ANYONE WHO DOES NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> > > Only those captured in combat without a uniform. Anyhow, I have as yet
> > > seen no evidence of any torture having occurred at Abu Ghraib by
> > > Americans.
>
> > YOU MUST LIVE IN BOONIES!  HOW ABOUT PUTTING WORD "TORTURE IN ABU
> > GHRAIB" INTO THE GOOGLE BROWSER AND SEE HOW MANY HITS YOU GET!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> use "Panties" for a search..

DO YOU THINK THAT PANTIES AND A FLORESCENT LITE BULB UP THEIR ARSE
WOULD BE APROPRIATE FOR THE BRITISH PRISONERS?



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 HOW ZIONAZI PROPAGANDA CRAPPER MEMRI WORKS:
Monday August 12, 2002
Guardian Unlimited


For some time now, I have been receiving small gifts from a generous
institute in the United States. The gifts are high-quality
translations of articles from Arabic newspapers which the institute
sends to me by email every few days, entirely free-of-charge.
The emails also go to politicians and academics, as well as to lots of
other journalists. The stories they contain are usually interesting.

Whenever I get an email from the institute, several of my Guardian
colleagues receive one too and regularly forward their copies to me -
sometimes with a note suggesting that I might like to check out the
story and write about it.

If the note happens to come from a more senior colleague, I'm left
feeling that I really ought to write about it. One example last week
was a couple of paragraphs translated by the institute, in which a
former doctor in the Iraqi army claimed that Saddam Hussein had
personally given orders to amputate the ears of military deserters.

The organisation that makes these translations and sends them out is
the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), based in Washington
but with recently-opened offices in London, Berlin and Jerusalem.
Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers because as an "independent, non-
partisan, non-profit" organisation, it has tax-deductible status under
American law.

Memri's purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language
gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East,
by "providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media".

Despite these high-minded statements, several things make me uneasy
whenever I'm asked to look at a story circulated by Memri. First of
all, it's a rather mysterious organisation. Its website does not give
the names of any people to contact, not even an office address.

The reason for this secrecy, according to a former employee, is that
"they don't want suicide bombers walking through the door on Monday
morning" (Washington Times, June 20).

This strikes me as a somewhat over-the-top precaution for an institute
that simply wants to break down east-west language barriers.

The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by
Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect
badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the
political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease.

Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the
Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes
>from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible."

Memri might, of course, argue that it is seeking to encourage
moderation by highlighting the blatant examples of intolerance and
extremism. But if so, one would expect it - for the sake of non-
partisanship - t o publicise extremist articles in the Hebrew media
too.

Although Memri claims that it does provide translations from Hebrew
media, I can't recall receiving any.

Evidence from Memri's website also casts doubt on its non-partisan
status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the
free market, the institute also emphasises "the continuing relevance
of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel".

That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have
now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in
internet archives.

The reason for Memri's air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at
the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the
registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.

Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military
intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two
Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin.

Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's
website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named,
three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for
Israeli intelligence.

Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern
Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background, and the sixth
is a former stand-up comedian.

Col Carmon's co-founder at Memri is Meyrav Wurmser, who is also
director of the centre for Middle East policy at the Indianapolis-
based Hudson Institute, which bills itself as "America's premier
source of applied research on enduring policy challenges".

The ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's defence
policy board, recently joined Hudson's board of trustees.

Ms Wurmser is the author of an academic paper entitled Can Israel
Survive Post-Zionism? in which she argues that leftwing Israeli
intellectuals pose "more than a passing threat" to the state of
Israel, undermining its soul and reducing its will for self-defence.

In addition, Ms Wurmser is a highly qualified, internationally
recognised, inspiring and knowledgeable speaker on the Middle East
whose presence would make any "event, radio or television show a
unique one" - according to Benador Associates, a public relations
company which touts her services.

Nobody, so far as I know, disputes the general accuracy of Memri's
translations but there are other reasons to be concerned about its
output.

The email it circulated last week about Saddam Hussein ordering
people's ears to be cut off was an extract from a longer article in
the pan-Arab newspaper, al-Hayat, by Adil Awadh who claimed to have
first-hand knowledge of it.

It was the sort of tale about Iraqi brutality that newspapers would
happily reprint without checking, especially in the current atmosphere
of war fever. It may well be true, but it needs to be treated with a
little circumspection.

Mr Awadh is not exactly an independent figure. He is, or at least was,
a member of the Iraqi National Accord, an exiled Iraqi opposition
group backed by the US - and neither al-Hayat nor Memri mentioned
this.

Also, Mr Awadh's allegation first came to light some four years ago,
when he had a strong personal reason for making it. According to a
Washington Post report in 1998, the amputation claim formed part of
his application for political asylum in the United States.

At the time, he was one of six Iraqis under arrest in the US as
suspected terrorists or Iraqi intelligence agents, and he was trying
to show that the Americans had made a mistake.

Earlier this year, Memri scored two significant propaganda successes
against Saudi Arabia. The first was its translation of an article from
al-Riyadh newspaper in which a columnist wrote that Jews use the blood
of Christian or Muslim children in pastries for the Purim religious
festival.

The writer, a university teacher, was apparently relying on an anti-
semitic myth that dates back to the middle ages. What this
demonstrated, more than anything, was the ignorance of many Arabs -
even those highly educated - about Judaism and Israel, and their
readiness to believe such ridiculous stories.

But Memri claimed al-Riyadh was a Saudi "government newspaper" - in
fact it's privately owned - implying that the article had some form of
official approval.

Al-Riyadh's editor said he had not seen the article before publication
because he had been abroad. He apologised without hesitation and
sacked his columnist, but by then the damage had been done.

Memri's next success came a month later when Saudi Arabia's ambassador
to London wrote a poem entitled The Martyrs - about a young woman
suicide bomber - which was published in al-Hayat newspaper.

Memri sent out translated extracts from the poem, which it described
as "praising suicide bombers". Whether that was the poem's real
message is a matter of interpretation. It could, perhaps more
plausibly, be read as condemning the political ineffectiveness of Arab
leaders, but Memri's interpretation was reported, almost without
question, by the western media.

These incidents involving Saudi Arabia should not be viewed in
isolation. They are part of building a case against the kingdom and
persuading the United States to treat it as an enemy, rather than an
ally.

It's a campaign that the Israeli government and American neo-
conservatives have been pushing since early this year - one aspect of
which was the bizarre anti-Saudi briefing at the Pentagon, hosted last
month by Richard Perle.

To anyone who reads Arabic newspapers regularly, it should be obvious
that the items highlighted by Memri are those that suit its agenda and
are not representative of the newspapers' content as a whole.

The danger is that many of the senators, congressmen and "opinion
formers" who don't read Arabic but receive Memri's emails may get the
idea that these extreme examples are not only truly representative but
also reflect the policies of Arab governments.

Memri's Col Carmon seems eager to encourage them in that belief. In
Washington last April, in testimony to the House committee on
international relations, he portrayed the Arab media as part of a wide-
scale system of government-sponsored indoctrination.

"The controlled media of the Arab governments conveys hatred of the
west, and in particular, of the United States," he said. "Prior to
September 11, one could frequently find articles which openly
supported, or even called for, terrorist attacks against the United
States ...

"The United States is sometimes compared to Nazi Germany, President
Bush to Hitler, Guantanamo to Auschwitz," he said.

In the case of the al-Jazeera satellite channel, he added, "the
overwhelming majority of guests and callers are typically anti-
American and anti-semitic".

Unfortunately, it is on the basis of such sweeping generalisations
that much of American foreign policy is built these days.

As far as relations between the west and the Arab world are concerned,
language is a barrier that perpetuates ignorance and can easily foster
misunderstanding.

All it takes is a small but active group of Israelis to exploit that
barrier for their own ends and start changing western perceptions of
Arabs for the worse.

It is not difficult to see what Arabs might do to counter that. A
group of Arab media companies could get together and publish
translations of articles that more accurately reflect the content of
their newspapers.

It would certainly not be beyond their means. But, as usual, they may
prefer to sit back and grumble about the machinations of Israeli
intelligence veterans.

The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and
Clarifications column, Wednesday August 21 2002

In an article headed Atrocity stories regain currency, page 13, August
8, and in an article headed Selective Memri on the Guardian website,
we referred to Dr Adil Awadh, an Iraqi doctor who alleged that Saddam
Hussein had ordered doctors to amputate the ears of soldiers who
deserted. Dr Awadh has asked us to make it clear that he has no
connection with Memri (Middle East Media Research Institute), and that
he did not authorise its translation of parts of an article by him. He
is no longer a member of the Iraqi National Accord (INA). He is an
independent member of the Iraqi National Congress (INC). His reference
to orders by Saddam Hussein to cut off the ears of deserters has been
supported by evidence from other sources.



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 HOW ZIONAZI PROPAGANDA TOOL, MEMRI, COOKS THE MINDS OF AMERICANS:

Monday August 12, 2002
Guardian Unlimited


For some time now, I have been receiving small gifts from a generous
institute in the United States. The gifts are high-quality
translations of articles from Arabic newspapers which the institute
sends to me by email every few days, entirely free-of-charge.
The emails also go to politicians and academics, as well as to lots of
other journalists. The stories they contain are usually interesting.

Whenever I get an email from the institute, several of my Guardian
colleagues receive one too and regularly forward their copies to me -
sometimes with a note suggesting that I might like to check out the
story and write about it.

If the note happens to come from a more senior colleague, I'm left
feeling that I really ought to write about it. One example last week
was a couple of paragraphs translated by the institute, in which a
former doctor in the Iraqi army claimed that Saddam Hussein had
personally given orders to amputate the ears of military deserters.

The organisation that makes these translations and sends them out is
the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), based in Washington
but with recently-opened offices in London, Berlin and Jerusalem.
Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers because as an "independent, non-
partisan, non-profit" organisation, it has tax-deductible status under
American law.

Memri's purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language
gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East,
by "providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media".

Despite these high-minded statements, several things make me uneasy
whenever I'm asked to look at a story circulated by Memri. First of
all, it's a rather mysterious organisation. Its website does not give
the names of any people to contact, not even an office address.

The reason for this secrecy, according to a former employee, is that
"they don't want suicide bombers walking through the door on Monday
morning" (Washington Times, June 20).

This strikes me as a somewhat over-the-top precaution for an institute
that simply wants to break down east-west language barriers.

The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by
Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect
badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the
political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease.

Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the
Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes
>from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible."

Memri might, of course, argue that it is seeking to encourage
moderation by highlighting the blatant examples of intolerance and
extremism. But if so, one would expect it - for the sake of non-
partisanship - t o publicise extremist articles in the Hebrew media
too.

Although Memri claims that it does provide translations from Hebrew
media, I can't recall receiving any.

Evidence from Memri's website also casts doubt on its non-partisan
status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the
free market, the institute also emphasises "the continuing relevance
of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel".

That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have
now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in
internet archives.

The reason for Memri's air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at
the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the
registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.

Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military
intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two
Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin.

Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's
website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named,
three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for
Israeli intelligence.

Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern
Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background, and the sixth
is a former stand-up comedian.

Col Carmon's co-founder at Memri is Meyrav Wurmser, who is also
director of the centre for Middle East policy at the Indianapolis-
based Hudson Institute, which bills itself as "America's premier
source of applied research on enduring policy challenges".

The ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's defence
policy board, recently joined Hudson's board of trustees.

Ms Wurmser is the author of an academic paper entitled Can Israel
Survive Post-Zionism? in which she argues that leftwing Israeli
intellectuals pose "more than a passing threat" to the state of
Israel, undermining its soul and reducing its will for self-defence.

In addition, Ms Wurmser is a highly qualified, internationally
recognised, inspiring and knowledgeable speaker on the Middle East
whose presence would make any "event, radio or television show a
unique one" - according to Benador Associates, a public relations
company which touts her services.

Nobody, so far as I know, disputes the general accuracy of Memri's
translations but there are other reasons to be concerned about its
output.

The email it circulated last week about Saddam Hussein ordering
people's ears to be cut off was an extract from a longer article in
the pan-Arab newspaper, al-Hayat, by Adil Awadh who claimed to have
first-hand knowledge of it.

It was the sort of tale about Iraqi brutality that newspapers would
happily reprint without checking, especially in the current atmosphere
of war fever. It may well be true, but it needs to be treated with a
little circumspection.

Mr Awadh is not exactly an independent figure. He is, or at least was,
a member of the Iraqi National Accord, an exiled Iraqi opposition
group backed by the US - and neither al-Hayat nor Memri mentioned
this.

Also, Mr Awadh's allegation first came to light some four years ago,
when he had a strong personal reason for making it. According to a
Washington Post report in 1998, the amputation claim formed part of
his application for political asylum in the United States.

At the time, he was one of six Iraqis under arrest in the US as
suspected terrorists or Iraqi intelligence agents, and he was trying
to show that the Americans had made a mistake.

Earlier this year, Memri scored two significant propaganda successes
against Saudi Arabia. The first was its translation of an article from
al-Riyadh newspaper in which a columnist wrote that Jews use the blood
of Christian or Muslim children in pastries for the Purim religious
festival.

The writer, a university teacher, was apparently relying on an anti-
semitic myth that dates back to the middle ages. What this
demonstrated, more than anything, was the ignorance of many Arabs -
even those highly educated - about Judaism and Israel, and their
readiness to believe such ridiculous stories.

But Memri claimed al-Riyadh was a Saudi "government newspaper" - in
fact it's privately owned - implying that the article had some form of
official approval.

Al-Riyadh's editor said he had not seen the article before publication
because he had been abroad. He apologised without hesitation and
sacked his columnist, but by then the damage had been done.

Memri's next success came a month later when Saudi Arabia's ambassador
to London wrote a poem entitled The Martyrs - about a young woman
suicide bomber - which was published in al-Hayat newspaper.

Memri sent out translated extracts from the poem, which it described
as "praising suicide bombers". Whether that was the poem's real
message is a matter of interpretation. It could, perhaps more
plausibly, be read as condemning the political ineffectiveness of Arab
leaders, but Memri's interpretation was reported, almost without
question, by the western media.

These incidents involving Saudi Arabia should not be viewed in
isolation. They are part of building a case against the kingdom and
persuading the United States to treat it as an enemy, rather than an
ally.

It's a campaign that the Israeli government and American neo-
conservatives have been pushing since early this year - one aspect of
which was the bizarre anti-Saudi briefing at the Pentagon, hosted last
month by Richard Perle.

To anyone who reads Arabic newspapers regularly, it should be obvious
that the items highlighted by Memri are those that suit its agenda and
are not representative of the newspapers' content as a whole.

The danger is that many of the senators, congressmen and "opinion
formers" who don't read Arabic but receive Memri's emails may get the
idea that these extreme examples are not only truly representative but
also reflect the policies of Arab governments.

Memri's Col Carmon seems eager to encourage them in that belief. In
Washington last April, in testimony to the House committee on
international relations, he portrayed the Arab media as part of a wide-
scale system of government-sponsored indoctrination.

"The controlled media of the Arab governments conveys hatred of the
west, and in particular, of the United States," he said. "Prior to
September 11, one could frequently find articles which openly
supported, or even called for, terrorist attacks against the United
States ...

"The United States is sometimes compared to Nazi Germany, President
Bush to Hitler, Guantanamo to Auschwitz," he said.

In the case of the al-Jazeera satellite channel, he added, "the
overwhelming majority of guests and callers are typically anti-
American and anti-semitic".

Unfortunately, it is on the basis of such sweeping generalisations
that much of American foreign policy is built these days.

As far as relations between the west and the Arab world are concerned,
language is a barrier that perpetuates ignorance and can easily foster
misunderstanding.

All it takes is a small but active group of Israelis to exploit that
barrier for their own ends and start changing western perceptions of
Arabs for the worse.

It is not difficult to see what Arabs might do to counter that. A
group of Arab media companies could get together and publish
translations of articles that more accurately reflect the content of
their newspapers.

It would certainly not be beyond their means. But, as usual, they may
prefer to sit back and grumble about the machinations of Israeli
intelligence veterans.

The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and
Clarifications column, Wednesday August 21 2002

In an article headed Atrocity stories regain currency, page 13, August
8, and in an article headed Selective Memri on the Guardian website,
we referred to Dr Adil Awadh, an Iraqi doctor who alleged that Saddam
Hussein had ordered doctors to amputate the ears of soldiers who
deserted. Dr Awadh has asked us to make it clear that he has no
connection with Memri (Middle East Media Research Institute), and that
he did not authorise its translation of parts of an article by him. He
is no longer a member of the Iraqi National Accord (INA). He is an
independent member of the Iraqi National Congress (INC). His reference
to orders by Saddam Hussein to cut off the ears of deserters has been
supported by evidence from other sources.




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On Apr 1, 8:04 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 7:34 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > >  TELLING ME THAT CZAR WAS NOT MURDERED BY THE JEWS? OR ARE YOU
> > > > TELLING ME THAT MY OWN FAMILY IN POKROVSKOE WAS NOT KILLED BY
> > > > JEWS?
>
> Provide the information regarding  the location of their  village/town,
> their names etc...

WHY WOULD I DO THAT YOU FUCKING BITCH?
YOU PROVIDE THE NAMES OF THE "SIX MILLION" KIKES!



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 YEP, ID O REMEBER THE BLOODY SUNDAY. WHEN THE JEWISH COMMISSARS CAME
TO THE FARM AT POSAD POKROVSKOE AND SHOT 40 PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THE
HEAD ONE BY ONE, INCLUDING THE LITTLE KIDS IN THE CRADDLE! DO YOU
REMEBER IT?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:53 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 8:40 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > ONLY SEVEN? DID YOU READ "RED RIVER REBELLION" ABOUT A GUY CALLED
> > LOUIS REAL? OF COURSE NOT! DO YOU KNOW WHAT A METI IS? OF COURSE NOT!
> > WELL YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED ARSEHOLE JEW, METIS WERE CALLED ALSO THE
> > NAME BY THE REDCOATS!
>
> OK Alex.
>
> ISSUE YOU A CHALLENGE:
>
> Find a link to anywhere that says that the term ;'banshee'  is racist
> against the First Nations.
>
> WAITING ALEX..........
 SUCK MY COCK YOU FUCKING RAT NOSED JEWESS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IA
M YOUR SHABOOS GOY!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:53 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 9:06 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
>
> 
>
> > Remember Bloody Sunday Alex??????  On the Czar's orders thousands of
> > people, particularly woman and children were slaughtered by the
> > Okhrona.
>
> Correction:
>
> On 'someone's orders' ( there is still some question over exactly who  it
> was in the Royal guard) hundreds,  if not more than a thousand innocent
> women and children taking part in a peaceful march were massacred by the
> Royal Guard and Okhrana. (secret police)


AND YOUR HEART BREAKS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT OKHRANA KILLED. SO WHY THE
FUCK DID JEWS SLAUGHTER THOUSAND TIMES MORE?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:53 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
Date: 1 Apr 2007 22:42:54 -0700
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 NO, SHITHEAD OUT OF THE 375 BOLSHEVIKS WHO ATTENDED THE COMINTERN
MEETING IN ST. PETERSBURG 300+ WERE JEWS.

EVERY INTERIOR MINISTER AND COMMISSAR WAS A JEW

STALIN'S NAME DJUGASHVILI TRANSLATES: "SON OF A JEW"

SVETLANA STALIN WAS A DAUGHTER OF A RABBI

SVERDLOV WAS A JEW

TROTSKY WAS A JEW

AND DON'T GIVE THE SHITS WITH YOUR "KNOWLEDGE" OF THE RUSSIA AND
REVOLUTION.
I KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:17:53 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 1, 10:43 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
>
> > There were Jews in the Mencheviks and Bolsheviks but they didn't
> > control what or decisons were made. I suggest you read your much
> > quoted Solzhenitisyn book again Alex.He says no such thing.
> > There were far more Christians and other people who weren't Jewish
> > born in the Communist Party.
> > Svetlana divorced Stalin you moron.
>
> Correction:
>
> Svetlana , Stalin's daughter hated her father so much she
SVETLANA WAS THE WIFE OF STALIN, DAUGHTER OF MOLOTOV ANOTHER FUCKING
JEW, STALIN SHOT HER DEAD WHEN HE DISCOVERED THAT SHE WAS PLOTING
AGAINST HIM



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Hitler link alarms German resort.
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On Apr 2, 7:24 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  Germans have been embarrassed by the fact that Adolf Hitler remains an
> honorary citizen of Bad Doberan, a town that will host the annual G8 summit.
>
 I DON'T KNOW WHY! SHARON HAS SLAUGHTERED FAR MORE PEOPLE THAN HITLER
EVER DID, HE IS AN ADMITTED TERRORIST, KILLER OF CHILDREN,THIEF, AND
WAR CRIMINAL IN ALMOST ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, AND YOU SCUM
STILL LOVE THE BASTARD AND STILL FEED HIS BLOB!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: AIN'T THAT SOMETHING, AN FBI SPY ON KISH ISLAND
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The State Department is investigating a report of
an American citizen missing in Iran, spokesman Sean McCormack said
Monday.

"We don't see any linkage whatsoever between this case and any other
ongoing cases that may have been in the news recently," McCormack
said, apparently referring to the 15 British sailors and marines who
were seized by Iran more than a week ago.

The American -- described as older and retired -- is believed to have
been in Iran working for an independent author/producer, trying to set
up an interview, several senior U.S. officials said.

The State Department said the man has been missing for more than a
week and hasn't been in touch with his family or his employer.

Officials said the man went missing on Kish Island off the southern
coast of Iran. The island is part of a free-trade zone under Iranian
authority. Under most circumstances non-Iranian nationals do not need
a visa to visit Kish.

The State Department is in touch with the man's family and is in the
process of sending a message to the Iranians through the Swiss
government, the officials said. The message is a "welfare and
whereabouts inquiry," which is a request for information about a
missing American citizen.

At this point, McCormack said, U.S. officials have no indication the
man is being held by any Iranian entity.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: HOLOFUCKS BY AN NANIMO WEFLARE BUM, REVISITED
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 McVay the Nanaimo pest on th rampage, telling lies about Holofucks,
he knows nothing at all about!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.israel
Subject: JEW ARSE LICKER FROM NANAIMO, INCOMPETENT LIAR MC VAY AND HIS HOLOFUCKS
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On Apr 2, 11:52 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <1175472840.412121.130...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Venceremos  wrote:
> > DON'T YOU EVER LET AMERICA FORGET THAT THEY BEING FUCKED BY THE JEWS,
> >BECAUSE NAZIS FUCKED THE JEWS

what does this have to do with this country or any country what German
did to the Jews?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. DO THE ARMENINS HAVE A MONUMENT ON THE MALL. HOW
ABOUT THE RUSSIANS? AFTER ALL JEWS SLAUGHTERED 100 MILLION OF THEM IN
COLD BLOOD



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 WHERE WERE YOU IN 1942-3-4, YOU FUCKING LYING JEW ARSE LICKER? IN
YOUR MOMMA'S ARSEHOLE, I GUESS! AND YOU WANT TO TELL THE LIKES OF ME
WHO WAS RIGHT THERE SUFFERING THE HOLOCAUST WITH THE PEOPLE OF
EUROPE,  WHAT WENT ON.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF SCUM LIKE YOU. WHAT YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT
IS ABOUT THE METIS, LUIS REAL, KWAKIUTL INDIANS AND THEIR SLAUGHTER BY
THE GARBAGE LIKE YOURSELF.

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WWII, YOU LYING BASTARD, ALL YOU DO IS PUT THE
CR AP ON THE WEB THAT JEWS TELL YOU TO DO.  YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF IT IS
TRUE OR NOT. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO DIED AND WHY THEY DIED.  ALL YOU
WANT TO DO IS RISE MORE MONEY FOR KIKES.

GO SUCK TILLY'S ARSEHOLE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: AND MORE U.S. STUPIDITY
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  The botched US raid that led to the hostage crisis
By Patrick Cockburn
Published: 03 April 2007

A failed American attempt to abduct two senior Iranian security
officers on an official visit to northern Iraq was the starting pistol
for a crisis that 10 weeks later led to Iranians seizing 15 British
sailors and Marines.

Early on the morning of 11 January, helicopter-born US forces launched
a surprise raid on a long-established Iranian liaison office in the
city of Arbil in Iraqi Kurdistan. They captured five relatively junior
Iranian officials whom the US accuses of being intelligence agents and
still holds.

In reality the US attack had a far more ambitious objective, The
Independent has learned. The aim of the raid, launched without
informing the Kurdish authorities, was to seize two men at the very
heart of the Iranian security establishment.

Better understanding of the seriousness of the US action in Arbil -
and the angry Iranian response to it - should have led Downing Street
and the Ministry of Defence to realise that Iran was likely to
retaliate against American or British forces such as highly vulnerable
Navy search parties in the Gulf. The two senior Iranian officers the
US sought to capture were Mohammed Jafari, the powerful deputy head of
the Iranian National Security Council, and General Minojahar
Frouzanda, the chief of intelligence of the Iranian Revolutionary
Guard, according to Kurdish officials.

The two men were in Kurdistan on an official visit during which they
met the Iraqi President, Jalal Talabani, and later saw Massoud
Barzani, the President of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), at
his mountain headquarters overlooking Arbil.

"They were after Jafari," Fuad Hussein, the chief of staff of Massoud
Barzani, told The Independent. He confirmed that the Iranian office
had been established in Arbil for a long time and was often visited by
Kurds obtaining documents to visit Iran. "The Americans thought he
[Jafari] was there," said Mr Hussein.

Mr Jafari was accompanied by a second, high-ranking Iranian official.
"His name was General Minojahar Frouzanda, the head of intelligence of
the Pasdaran [Iranian Revolutionary Guard]," said Sadi Ahmed Pire, now
head of the Diwan (office) of President Talabani in Baghdad. Mr Pire
previously lived in Arbil, where he headed the Patriotic Union of
Kurdistan (PUK), Mr Talabani's political party.

The attempt by the US to seize the two high-ranking Iranian security
officers openly meeting with Iraqi leaders is somewhat as if Iran had
tried to kidnap the heads of the CIA and MI6 while they were on an
official visit to a country neighbouring Iran, such as Pakistan or
Afghanistan. There is no doubt that Iran believes that Mr Jafari and
Mr Frouzanda were targeted by the Americans. Mr Jafari confirmed to
the official Iranian news agency, IRNA, that he was in Arbil at the
time of the raid.

In a little-noticed remark, Manouchehr Mottaki, the Iranian Foreign
Minister, told IRNA: "The objective of the Americans was to arrest
Iranian security officials who had gone to Iraq to develop co-
operation in the area of bilateral security."

US officials in Washington subsequently claimed that the five Iranian
officials they did seize, who have not been seen since, were
"suspected of being closely tied to activities targeting Iraq and
coalition forces". This explanation never made much sense. No member
of the US-led coalition has been killed in Arbil and there were no
Sunni-Arab insurgents or Shia militiamen there.

The raid on Arbil took place within hours of President George Bush
making an address to the nation on 10 January in which he claimed:
"Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops."
He identified Iran and Syria as America's main enemies in Iraq though
the four-year-old guerrilla war against US-led forces is being
conducted by the strongly anti-Iranian Sunni-Arab community. Mr Jafari
himself later complained about US allegations. "So far has there been
a single Iranian among suicide bombers in the war-battered country?"
he asked. "Almost all who involved in the suicide attacks are from
Arab countries."

It seemed strange at the time that the US would so openly flout the
authority of the Iraqi President and the head of the KRG simply to
raid an Iranian liaison office that was being upgraded to a consulate,
though this had not yet happened on 11 January. US officials, who must
have been privy to the White House's new anti-Iranian stance, may have
thought that bruised Kurdish pride was a small price to pay if the US
could grab such senior Iranian officials.

For more than a year the US and its allies have been trying to put
pressure on Iran. Security sources in Iraqi Kurdistan have long said
that the US is backing Iranian Kurdish guerrillas in Iran. The US is
also reportedly backing Sunni Arab dissidents in Khuzestan in southern
Iran who are opposed to the government in Tehran. On 4 February
soldiers from the Iraqi army 36th Commando battalion in Baghdad,
considered to be under American control, seized Jalal Sharafi, an
Iranian diplomat.

The raid in Arbil was a far more serious and aggressive act. It was
not carried out by proxies but by US forces directly. The abortive
Arbil raid provoked a dangerous escalation in the confrontation
between the US and Iran which ultimately led to the capture of the 15
British sailors and Marines - apparently considered a more vulnerable
coalition target than their American comrades.

The targeted generals

* MOHAMMED JAFARI

Powerful deputy head of the Iranian National Security Council,
responsible for internal security. He has accused the United States of
seeking to "hold Iran responsible for insecurity in Iraq... and [US]
failure in the country."

* GENERAL MINOJAHAR FROUZANDA



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEW ARSE LICKER FROM NANAIMO, INCOMPETENT LIAR MC VAY AND HIS HOLOFUCKS
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On Apr 2, 9:40 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Apr 2, 4:01 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  WHERE WERE YOU IN 1942-3-4, YOU FUCKING LYING JEW ARSE LICKER? IN
> > YOUR MOMMA'S ARSEHOLE, I GUESS! AND YOU WANT TO TELL THE LIKES OF ME
> > WHO WAS RIGHT THERE SUFFERING THE HOLOCAUST WITH THE PEOPLE OF
> > EUROPE,  WHAT WENT ON.
>
>    The only way anyone in your family suffered in the Holocaust is if
> your grandpa got drunk on payday and he was hit by a train on its way
> to Auschwitz as he staggered back to the SS barracks.
>
>  Michael

SCUM! IN ORDER TO BECOME AN SS GUARD ONE HAD TO BE A KIKE. JEWISH
ORDNINGSPOLIZEI SS ACCEPTED ONLY JEWS. WHOLE OPERATION OF AUSCHWITZ
WAS RUN BY JEWS. THWE ONLY FUCKING JEWS LEFT ALIVE WERE THE NAZIS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:01 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: No lessons on the Holocaust
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 oh, no! no holofucks any more!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: No lessons on the Holocaust
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On Apr 2, 7:22 pm, "John D.Wentzky" 
wrote:
> Innews:1175554412.227173.191780@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
> J Young  typed:
>
> > Certain subjects have no place in the classroom and should only be
> > taught at home by the parents, at their own discretion.
>
> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/02/nscho...
>
> > Schools are dropping controversial subjects from history lessons -
> > such as the Holocaust and the Crusades - because teachers do not want
> > to cause offence, Government research has discovered.
>
> It has to be cowardice that prevents history from being taught in the public
> school system.

Yeh, sure! First we jail the historians who question the authenticity
of
the subject, and then we force the false version down the kids throat!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: No lessons on the Holocaust
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On Apr 2, 11:07 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> J Young  wrote:
> >Certain subjects have no place in the classroom and should only be
> >taught at home by the parents, at their own discretion.
>
> Religion being first and foremost among those.
>
 "El din a muamela" (Religion is how you treat others) Holy Quran



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEW ARSE LICKER FROM NANAIMO, INCOMPETENT LIAR MC VAY AND HIS HOLOFUCKS
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On Apr 3, 2:48 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Apr 2, 7:53 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 2, 9:40 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 2, 4:01 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  WHERE WERE YOU IN 1942-3-4, YOU FUCKING LYING JEW ARSE LICKER? IN
> > > > YOUR MOMMA'S ARSEHOLE, I GUESS! AND YOU WANT TO TELL THE LIKES OF ME
> > > > WHO WAS RIGHT THERE SUFFERING THE HOLOCAUST WITH THE PEOPLE OF
> > > > EUROPE,  WHAT WENT ON.
>
> > >    The only way anyone in your family suffered in the Holocaust is if
> > > your grandpa got drunk on payday and he was hit by a train on its way
> > > to Auschwitz as he staggered back to the SS barracks.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > SCUM! IN ORDER TO BECOME AN SS GUARD ONE HAD TO BE A KIKE. JEWISH
> > ORDNINGSPOLIZEI SS ACCEPTED ONLY JEWS. WHOLE OPERATION OF AUSCHWITZ
> > WAS RUN BY JEWS. THWE ONLY FUCKING JEWS LEFT ALIVE WERE THE NAZIS
>
>    And you learned this from that Holocaust conference in Iran, right?
>
>  Michael

NO, ARSEHOLE, I LIVED THROUGH THE HOLOCAUST, AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS
ABOUT, YOU HAVE NOT THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE TO LIE ABOUT IT



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: No lessons on the Holocaust
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On Apr 3, 12:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" 
wrote:
> Innews:1175574649.003952.131350@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> Venceremos  typed:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 2, 7:22 pm, "John D.Wentzky" 
> > wrote:
> >> Innews:1175554412.227173.191780@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
> >> J Young  typed:
>
> >>> Certain subjects have no place in the classroom and should only be
> >>> taught at home by the parents, at their own discretion.
>
> >>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/02/nscho...
>
> >>> Schools are dropping controversial subjects from history lessons -
> >>> such as the Holocaust and the Crusades - because teachers do not
> >>> want to cause offence, Government research has discovered.
>
> >> It has to be cowardice that prevents history from being taught in
> >> the public school system.
>
> > Yeh, sure! First we jail the historians who question the authenticity
> > of
> > the subject, and then we force the false version down the kids throat!
>
> What false version?
> Do you mean the current agenda to neglect teaching parts of history?

Germans killed Jews, so how is that part of American history.
Americans k illed 15 million native Indians and our kids are taught
nothing



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:04 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: MUSLIM IRAN IS FAR MORE CIVILIZED THAN U.S.
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On Apr 1, 1:23 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:39 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:58 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 7:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > -THEY DID NOT BEAT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT ELECTROCUTE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TAUNT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TERRORIZE THEM WITH DOGS
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STUFF THE FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES UP THEIR ARSE
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STACK THEM ON A PILE LIKE CORDWOOD
> > > > -THEY DID NO RAPE THEIR CHILDREN IN FRONT OF THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT POUR FROZEN WATER ON THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT SUFFOCATE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT "WATERBOARD" THEM
> > > > U.S. HAS DONE ALL O0F THE ABOVE TO MUSLIM PRISONERS AND CONTINUES TO
> > > > TORTURE THEM AS A I WRITE THIS<
>
> > > The reason is simple: THEY WERE CAPTURED IN UNIFORM,
>
> > FUCKING IDIOT! THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TORTURED IN ABU GHRAIB DID NOT WEAR A UNIFORM?<
>
> Which women and children are  you talking about, the ones tortured
> there by Saddam?

NO ARSEHOLE, HUNDREDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE TORTURED AND RAPED BY
AMERICANS AND THEIR JEWISH ALLIES INSIDE ABU GHRAIB AND OTHER PRISONS.
MANY THOUSANDS OF IRAQI PRISONERS WERE SHACKLED, HUMILIATED, BEATEN,
WATERBOARDED, AND KILLED INSIDE ABU GHRAIB. HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS
ARE PREPARING WAR CRIMES CHARGES AGAINST BUSH AND HIS JEWISH ASSISTANTS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 1, 1:23 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:39 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 11:58 am, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 7:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > -THEY DID NOT BEAT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT ELECTROCUTE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TAUNT THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT TERRORIZE THEM WITH DOGS
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STUFF THE FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES UP THEIR ARSE
> > > > -THEY DID NOT STACK THEM ON A PILE LIKE CORDWOOD
> > > > -THEY DID NO RAPE THEIR CHILDREN IN FRONT OF THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT POUR FROZEN WATER ON THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT SUFFOCATE THEM
> > > > -THEY DID NOT "WATERBOARD" THEM
> > > > U.S. HAS DONE ALL O0F THE ABOVE TO MUSLIM PRISONERS AND CONTINUES TO
> > > > TORTURE THEM AS A I WRITE THIS<
>

HOW COULD I POSSIBLY DENY THE HOLOCAUST OF THE RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE WHEN THE JEWISH COMISSARS SLAUGHTERED 40 MEMBERS OF MY OWN
FAMILY?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:06 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.russian
Subject: Re: LISTEN TO THE RUSSIANS, SHRUB!
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On Apr 3, 1:26 pm, "Mr. Knowbody"  wrote:
> "JBgarbuz"  wrote in message
>
> news:461279da$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1175616433.848696.284660@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - Washington needs to think twice before
>
> > ,,,
>
> >> He warned that if the U.S. goes to war with Iran as well, the world
> >> may see America decline as the world's "mightiest and most powerful
> >> state."<
>
> > I thought the Russians would like that, to see the US decline into a
> > second
> > rate power.
>
> Even as a second rate power, the US could wipe the floor with third rate
> Russia.


LIKE FUCK THEY COULD! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT RUSSIA IS, SWINE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 3, 2:20 pm, "Mr. Knowbody"  wrote:
> "JBgarbuz"  wrote in message
>
> news:461279da$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
>
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>
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> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1175616433.848696.284660@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - Washington needs to think twice before
>
> > ,,,
>
> >> He warned that if the U.S. goes to war with Iran as well, the world
> >> may see America decline as the world's "mightiest and most powerful
> >> state."<
>
> > I thought the Russians would like that, to see the US decline into a
> > second
> > rate power.
>
> Even as a second rate power, the US could wipe the floor with third rate
> Russia.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> The U.S. Administration sees Iran as a "rogue state" belonging to what
> >> President George W. Bush has termed "an axis of evil," and is
> >> determined to stop the Islamic Republic - diplomatically or otherwise
> >> - from obtaining a nuclear weapon. It now plans to deploy a national
> >> missile defense shield in Central Europe, which it says will help
> >> protect its own security and that of its European allies against
> >> potential missile strikes from Iran, suspected by the West of pursuing
> >> a covert nuclear weapons program.<
>
> > I think the threat to build a missile defense shield in Czechoslovakia and
> > Poland is to get the Russian support for the US
> > against Iran. If Russia goes along with the US, then the Central European
> > missile defense system won't be built. I think it is just a bargaining
> > ploy.
> > After all, if the Iranians DON'T get nukes, there would be no need for
> > such
> > a shield, which the Russians are certainly not happy about.
>
> One hardened rule you need to remember...Russians are idiots. They foster
> nuclear tech with all their nutty neighbors in order to whore a few roubles.
> Someday they will learn a painful lesson.

AND WHAT LESSON IS THAT?  TO STOP DOING WHAT CANADA, USA, ISRAEL,
CHINA AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES?




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Refuge of Scoundrels
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On Apr 3, 11:23 pm, "DoD"  wrote:

> > There are any number of reasons for supporting Israel.

Like the slaughter of lebanese civilians which took place just few
short months ago

Nancy Pelosi, D-Israel, Part II
Eli Stephens, Left I on the News

April 2, 2007

Nancy Pelosi was in Lebanon today, where she paid a visit to the tomb
of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al Hariri. Visits to the tombs
of any of the thousand Lebanese killed by Israel with U.S. bombs
during last summer's assault, or any of the dozens of Lebanese
children killed since then by U.S. cluster bombs? Not on the agenda.
And, while there is no transcript of her remarks while in Lebanon,
chances that she mentioned or even thought about those victims? Pretty
much non-existent.

Ah, but don't think she's forgotten all about that war. Oh no:

    During a visit to Israel during the weekend, Pelosi met with the
families of two Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbollah guerillas this
past summer. She is expected to raise the issue of the captured
soldiers with Lebanese officials.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism,alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Despicable Jew-hating
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On Apr 4, 5:45 am, "Parsifal"  wrote:
> On 4 Apr., 06:52, "J Young"  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 4, 12:47?am, "Parsifal"  wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Apr., 06:24, "J Young"  wrote:
>
> > > > Whatever scoundrels perpetrated this anti-semetic atrocity should be
> > > > prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
>
> > > This from our number one nazi...
> > > You are too funny, J Young...
>
> > I find an attack on these poor Jews as an attack on decent society
>
> *You* are an attack on decent society, J fucking Young.
> Do you seriously think that with your long history as an antisemite
> (which you delibarately misspell everytime you use that word), any of
> us will believe your concern?

JEWS ARE NOT SEMITES!  HOW COULD HE BE AN ANTI SEMITE TOWARDS THE JEWS?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Despicable Jew-hating
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On Apr 4, 12:24 am, "J Young"  wrote:
> Whatever scoundrels perpetrated this anti-semetic atrocity should be
> prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003648492_synagogu...
>
> Investigators seek clues in N.Y. synagogue blaze
>
> MONSEY, N.Y. - The ultra-Orthodox Jewish group Neturei Karta has
> always been a source of tension in this heavily Jewish community north
> of New York City.
>
> They routinely burn the Israeli flag. They pray for the end of the
> Jewish state.

How terrible??  Do they also shoot 800 Palestinian children a year the
way you scum do?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 4, 7:53 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > The world has known them to be a dreadfully corrupt tribe for
> > millennia.
>
> You are really beginning to sound like a latter day Julius Streicher ,yet
> you don't have the guts to admit you are a  Jew hater, like Boedicea you try
> to deny your racism and bigotry by saying "I don't hate anybody"..
>
> The man  in my life has been reading some of your posts and is
> shocked and appalled at

THE MAN IN YOUR LIFE IS EITHER A SCHNAUSER OR A GER5MAN SHEPHERD



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 4, 8:20 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
> >   You have asked me what "several times"?
>
> I asked you how you were raised and the  church you belong to.
>
> How else would I know you were raised as  a British Israelite  in Coventry

"BRITISH ISRAELITE???? WHOM ARE YOU KIDDING?THERE IS NO CRAP LIKE
THAT, UNLESS YOU SCHNAUSER IS ONE OF THEM!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HOLOFUCKS AGAIN!
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On Apr 4, 1:09 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <5nQQh.5551$bM1.3698@trnddc03>,
>
> Salah Jafar  wrote:
> >Sorry it is the Jews who fucked the Nazi and treated  them Bad. When you can
> >proof to the world about the 6 million lie, than maybe I will believe the
> >Jews suffered. But I doubt it.
>
> No one cares what you "doubt," Mr. Jafar. You're nothing more than 2-bit gutter trash.
>
HEY, HEY, HEY ARSEHOLE, SALAH HAS SERVED UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
HONORABLY FOR MANY YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS, UNLIKE YOURSELF WHO HAS
BEEN LIVVING ON DOLE HANDED TO YOU BY CANADIAN TAXPAYER. STICK YOUR
RAT5 NOSE UP YOUR ARSE



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Subject: DAVID IRVING IS A HONORABLE HISTORIAN
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 JUST BECAUSE THE JEWS HATE THE TRUTH HE WRITES ABOUT DOES NOT MEAN
THAT HE IS ANYTHING BUT A SCHOLAR PERSECUTED BY JEWS, JUST LIKE
THOUSANDS OF OTHERS ARE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Freed British sailors to fly home in time for Easter
Last updated at 18:57pm on 4th April 2007

Comments Comments (19)
=B7 Bizarre end to a tense international stand-off
=B7 Sailors will fly home on Thursday
=B7 President's farewell: You came here on a mandatory holiday
=B7 Ahmadinejad on Faye Turney: How can you justify seeing a mother away
>from her children?

The President of Iran shook hands with the British hostages this
afternoon after announcing he was freeing them.

The sailors will leave Tehran early Thursday and arrive at London's
Heathrow airport around 1200 GMT, said Robin Air, father of Royal
Marine Capt. Chris Air. Families will be reunited with the crew later
Thursday at a military base, he said.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad smiled as he talked through an interpreter to
several of the men held captive for 13 days in the capital Tehran. One
of them was heard to say to him: "Thanks for releasing us. I wish you
success."

Iran hostages wave

Front row, left-to-right: Simon Massey, Faye Turney, Felix Carmen,
Arthur Batchelor, Andrew Henderson, Mark Banks, Chris Air and Danny
Masterson. Back row, from left-to-right (visible): Christopher Coe,
Adam Sperry, Joe Tindall

The men were dressed in suits and Leading Seaman Faye Turney, the only
woman in the 15-strong patrol of marines and sailors, wore a blue
headscarf and pink shirt but it was not thought she had shaken hands
with the president.

=B7 Gallery: How the crisis unfolded
=B7 Video: Hostages' families react to the good news

In a reference to Mrs Turney, Mr Ahmadinejad said: "How can you
justify seeing a mother away from her home, her children. Why don't
they respect the values of families in the West?"

Mr Ahmadinejad joked when he met one of them, saying: "How are you? So
you came on a mandatory holiday?"

President Ahmadinejad meets sailors

President Ahmadinejad meets one of the sailors at his presidential
office after agreeing to free them

It was a bizarre end to a tense international stand-off which began
when the Navy personnel were seized at gunpoint by Revolutionary
Guards on the Shatt al Arab waterway. The meeting was clearly staged
for the Iranian media but there was no mistaking the relief of the
Britons.

Mr Ahmadinejad said he had pardoned them as an Easter present for the
British people and to mark the birthday of the Prophet Mohammed.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Britain bore the Iranian people
"no ill will" and stressed the release of the Navy personnel came as
"a profound relief".

He also stressed that Britain had taken "a measured approach" during
the standoff: "firm but calm, not negotiating but not confronting
either."

Ahmadinejad confirmed no deal was struck with Iran to ensure the
release of the of the Royal Marines, while Iraq's foreign minister
said the decision was not the result of a deal to release five
Iranians detained by the U.S. in Iraq.

The Navy personnel are said to have shouted for joy on hearing the
news and their families were planning to hold parties tonight.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 4, 2:52 pm, Bert Hyman  wrote:
> ser...@bellsouth.net (Venceremos) wrote innews:1175712517.056761.105230@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >  Leading Seaman Faye Turney, the only woman in the 15-strong patrol
> >  of marines and sailors, wore a blue headscarf and pink shirt but
> >  it was not thought she had shaken hands with the president.
>
> Didn't shake hands? Gee... I wonder why.
 IF IT WAS FOR THE MARINES, THEY WOULD HAVE GANG RAPED INSTEAD OF
SHAKING HANDS.

IT IS A CUSTOM STUPID, RESPECT THE CUSTOM!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 NO TORTURE

NO RANSOM

NO FLOURESCENT TUBES UP THE ARSE

NO SHOW TRIAL

NO GUANTANAMO

NO WATERBOARDING

NO DEPRIVATIONS OF ANY KIND

THIS IS THE MUSLIM WAY. JEW WAY IS TO LOCK UP THE INNOCENT PEOPLE AND
BEAT THEM TO PULP UNTIL THEY ARE HALF DEAD!

ALLAHU AKBAR!  ALLAHU AKBAR!   ALLAHU AKBAR!



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MUSLIMS ARE FAR MORE CIVILIZED, UNLIKE THE JEWISH FASCIST THUGS:




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On Apr 4, 12:07 pm, BernardZ  wrote:
> Alex in Saudi Arabia they do public executions.

STATE OF FLORIDA EXECUTED MORE PEOPLE LAST YEAR THAN SAUDI ARABIA DID



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On Apr 1, 12:35 pm, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1175441337.620432.133280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 1, 10:06 am, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
> >> Look at the behavior of Muslims when a Danish newspaper published
> >> cartoons of Mohammed. Muslims rioted, burned cars and beat up
> >> Westerners. Not even hate speech and these Muslims behaved like
> >> animals
>
> > Some of them are brutal animals, I'll agree even with you on that.
> > But you don't consider that insulting cartoon of their icon hate
> > speech?
>
> Sure. So don't read that Danish Newspaper.
> Certainly those Muslims never saw a copy of Jyllands-Posten but were stirred
> up
> by hate mongers at Friday Mosques. So they left their Mosques, burned cars
> and
> beat up Westerners.

Unlike the Jews who put Zundel behind bars for uttering the word
Holofucks





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On Apr 1, 5:23 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On  1-Apr-2007, "Joe King"  wrote:
>
> > The problem is who defines the meaning of 'hate' within hate speech.  I
> > hate
> > people and advocate imprisonment of those who steal from others so does
> > that
> > make me guilty of hate speech?
>
> It can;t, since you are discussing a group that *self selects by behavior*.
> Hate speech is defined as speech designed to stir up hatred against
> innocent groups.
> The type of group to which you specifically refer above is known as
> "criminals":

AND ACCORDING TO THIS BITCH CRIMINALS ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT TOE THE
ZIONIST LINE





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On Apr 1, 10:51 pm, brainfart  wrote:
> news13102...@hotmail.com wrote...
> > I envision that the result would be organisations such as the American
> > NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People)
> > suing for defamation, rather than particular individuals. Any damages
> > they claim would thus be used to further the community that was
> > insulted.
>
> You mean further Jesse Jackson's secret Swiss bank account.  As Emperor
> of All Black People, he will benefit every time the N-word is uttered
> on Wheel of Fortune, while his black subjects won't see a dime of the
> trillion dollars awarded for collective ethnic damages.
>
> > I'm sure that my scheme has its loopholes, and I'd be more than glad
> > to be informed about why it's unfeasible or unworkable. But I do hope
> > that we can come up with a more satisfactory solution to dealing with
> > hate speech through the legal system than simply jailing people for
> > exercising freedom of speech.
>
> Your scheme is insane.  To even attempt it would cause instant paralysis
> of the legal system and civilization would grind to a halt as every person
> on earth sued every other person on earth for being offensive.  Do you
> realize what would happen if you tried to enforce it and actually began
> arresting people on court appearance warrants because they had offended
> someone else?  Do you really think people - Americans especially - would
> submit to this?  The end result would be far more violence against the
> offended minority group than any you believe would be prevented with your
> crackpot social engineering scheme.

You must not mention the word Holofucks, ever or she will sue your
arse off!





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  NO TORTURE

NO RANSOM

NO FLOURESCENT TUBES UP THE ARSE

NO SHOW TRIAL

NO GUANTANAMO

NO WATERBOARDING

NO DEPRIVATIONS OF ANY KIND

THIS IS THE MUSLIM WAY. JEW WAY IS TO LOCK UP THE INNOCENT PEOPLE AND
BEAT THEM TO PULP UNTIL THEY ARE HALF DEAD!

ALLAHU AKBAR!  ALLAHU AKBAR!   ALLAHU AKBAR





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On Apr 4, 6:29 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Daniel Bernard wrote:
> > Didn't you once tell Mirelle to go back to France or something along
> > those lines after making the (false) assumption that Mirelle was a
> > French name?
>
> I was having her on , it was a response to one of her silly statements.
> IIRC she was raving on about Jews stealing land from the Arabs and how the
> Jews should be forced to leave , so I made the remark that the French
> Canadians etc..should .go back to where they come from, after all they stole
> the native Americans' land!  LOL

What an idiot! French Canadians are probably the most integrated
people on the face of the Earth. Ever heard of Metis? I guess not.
Most French Canadians have native origins. Louis Real, the hero of
French resistance to British was a Meti. And most Quebeckers are of
Meti origin



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On Apr 4, 6:34 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2:44 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:30 pm, "DoD"  wrote:

> Israelis don't have problems with Palarab farmers. They have problems
> with Palarab terrorists. It is sad that some of those farmers get in
> the way, but if they weeded the terrorists out of their midst, there
> wouldn't b any problems.
>
It was Israel who attacked Lebanon few short months back, and
slaughtered some 1,300 Lebanese, mostly children and women. AND YOU
CALL SOMEONE ELSE A "TERRORIST"!!!  AREN'T YOU ASHAMED?

IT IS ISRAELIS WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS



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On Apr 3, 7:53 am, Nusrat Rizvi  wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2007 16:25:07 -0700, "Mirelle" 
> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 2, 2:58 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
> >> Where is the democracy is the great United States of America.
>
> >There is none.
> >It is all a charade.
> >And, America...ain't that great either!
> >It is the second most hated country in the world, after 'israel.'
> >Mirelle
>
> Where does Islam stand on most hated or loved religions.

Islam respects all the religions and all the Prophets of all the
religions including the Prophet Moses and Jesus. It is only sick minds
like you are who denigrate holiness of all faiths



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On Apr 4, 10:15 pm, Bill Levinson 
wrote:
> "In August 2006, it was revealed that MoveOn.org knowingly and willfully
> allowed its now-disgraced Action Forum to serve as a platform for
> racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, and anti-Evangelical hate speech,
> along with conspiracy theories to the effect that the U.S. Government
> perpetrated 9/11."

WHAT IS IT TO YOU, JEW? YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN, YOUR LOYALTY BELONGS
TO KIKELAND, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP



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On Apr 5, 7:59 am, "seane100"  wrote:
> Jews in Ne losing synagogues and members , united in committment to support
> the goal of survival and sense of community.
> I am struck that jewish organization often offer no outreach for people who
> need help or need to organize diverse differences in religious views like
> conservative and reform and economical differences. It seems you have
> synagogues closing and some opening in suburbs and different areas of US
> largely not organized or large and often without a goal of bringing people
> together. . You have professionals and you have people who are just hanging
> on with the label of being born jewish. Jews have become insensitive in
> uniting to form support with diverse populations. The rich and orthodox  has
> gone on to another subculture thinking that professionals and orthodox will
> sustain the religion.. I doubt it.

The emigration out of the failed Jewish enclave is outpacing  the
immigration by far. Their Israeli Defecation Fiends are not meeting
the recruiting goals, and about 50% of the recruits are unfit for
service. It is just a matter of time before the Kikeland colapses like
a house of cards



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Public executions was Re: NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL A NINE YEAR OLD "SURGE"
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On Apr 5, 7:06 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1175726768.321789.22...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > On Apr 4, 12:07 pm, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > Alex in Saudi Arabia they do public executions.
>
> > STATE OF FLORIDA EXECUTED MORE PEOPLE LAST YEAR THAN SAUDI ARABIA DID
>
> So you were wrong public executions do occur in  Muslim countries
>
 SURE! WE KILL PEOPLE UNITED STATES "IN PRIVATE"!



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 Four British soldiers killed in Iraq ambushBack to Central Government



Publisher: Ian Morgan
Published: 05/04/2007 - 10:49:49 AM Printable version


Four British soldiers have
been killed in Iraq Four British soldiers were killed today in an
ambush in southern Iraq, the Ministry of Defence said.

They and their Kuwaiti interpreter died after being hit by a roadside
bomb while on a patrol west of Basra.

An MoD spokeswoman said: "It is with deep regret that we can confirm
that four British soldiers and a civilian interpreter were killed in a
roadside bomb attack against a Warrior patrol west of Basra this
morning.

"Next of kin are being informed and no further details will be
released until this process is complete."

Captain Katie Brown, a spokeswoman for the British military in Basra,
said a fifth British soldier was seriously wounded in the incident.

The patrol came under attack at about 2am local time (11pm British
time) in the Hayaniyah district west of Basra, she added.

Today's fatalities bring the British death toll for the past week to
six.

On Sunday, Kingsman Danny John Wilson, 28, of Chindip Company, 2nd
Battalion, The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment, died after he was hit by
small arms fire during a patrol in Basra City.

The soldier, from Workington, Cumbria, was taken to the multinational
Basra Palace base, where he later died of his injuries.

The following day Rifleman Aaron Lincoln, 18, from Durham died after
coming under attack from small arms fire while on a routine patrol in
the Al Ashar district of central Basra.

The serviceman, of the 2nd Battalion, The Rifles, was evacuated to
Basra Palace and then to the Field Hospital in the Contingency
Operating Base at Basra Air Station but died later.

The soldiers were all inside their Warrior armoured vehicle when they
died.

They came under attack from small arms fire and rocket-propelled
grenades, but it was the roadside bomb that killed them.

The total death toll of British service personnel in Iraq since
hostilities began now stands at 140, 109 of whom died in action.

Today's casualties are the worst loss in a single incident since four
British service personnel were killed in an attack on a Multi National
Forces boat patrol last November.

The past week has been the bloodiest week in the war-torn country
since 10 British personnel died when an RAF Hercules crashed north
west of Baghdad on January 30, 2005.

Photographs from the Associated Press news agency showed Iraqis
appearing to celebrate the deaths.

One man held aloft a British military camouflage helmet while a young
child grasped a piece of charred metal that was said to come from the
wreckage of the Warrior.

In the background, other men waved and smiled.

The deaths came as the 15 British marines and sailors held in Iran for
13 days flew back to the UK to be reunited with their families.

Copyright Press Association 2007

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information - http://www.24dash.com/podcasts


http://www.24dash.com/news/57/18963/index.htm


US helicopter 'shot down' in Iraq

A US helicopter has come down in southern Iraq after apparently coming
under heavy fire from insurgents, according to reports by witnesses.
They said the helicopter came under attack near Latifiya, 40km (25
miles) south of the capital, Baghdad.

There is no information on any casualties or damage and the US
military says it is investigating.

The US has lost more than 50 military helicopters in Iraq since the
invasion with the death of several soldiers.

A major security operation in Baghdad has resulted in a decrease in
the number of attacks on coalition troops there, the US military says.

However, the deaths of eight coalition soldiers were announced on
Thursday - four British and four American.

I saw the helicopter move right and left before landing hard. It did
not explode

Eyewitness


Bomb kills UK soldiers

The British soldiers were killed in a roadside bomb attack on the
western edge of Basra city in southern Iraq.

A civilian interpreter was also killed - his nationality has not been
confirmed.

And the US troops died in two separate incidents in Baghdad on
Wednesday.

Pattern study?

"I saw a helicopter in the sky, then I heard heavy gunfire," said one
witness, quoted by Reuters news agency.

"I saw the helicopter move right and left before landing hard. It did
not explode."

An unnamed Iraqi official said the militants apparently were using an
anti-aircraft machine gun.

At least nine US helicopters have crashed or been brought down by
insurgent attacks in Iraq this year alone.

The attacks have raised fears that insurgents may be studying flight
patterns or may have acquired more advanced weapons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6528953.stm



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:20 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 5, 2:56 am, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
> On Apr 1, 3:51 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > Venceremos wrote:
> > > ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR ENCLAVE AND ALL THE JEWISH INSTITUTION RELY ON
> > > THE DEEP POCKETS OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER
>
> > As a person who has always given the impression you are into liberation
> > poloitics Alex, I would have thought you might have conceded that Russian
> > peasants/serfs and workers were treated like shit in Czarist Russia and that
> > the majority of them came to belive that revolution was the only way to
> > improve their lives.
>
>  It is jews who use revolution and they don't do it to help
>  poor peasants, they use it to create chaos in the countries
>  they have been allowed to settle in.  They get rich on
>  revolutions and wars.  It is no coincidence that it was a
>  jew who led The Red Army although jews are not
>  known for their military expertise. It as Nathan Rothschild in
>  England who became the richest man in Europe by financing
>  the French/English war and it was the French Rothschild
>  who did likewise by financing the French.
>
>  Now tell us why the jew Trotsky (Bronstein) ordered the
>  jew Jacov Kurovsky to murder those innocent children
>  and even their little pet spaniel.  "He bayoneted them
>  in the face and then shot them".  And you lot have the nerve
>  to talk about "Nazis" !!!
>
 Another jew named Sverdlov, ordered the execution of the Czar and his
young family. The executioners were all Jews. Bronstein was born few
kilometers from my grandfathers huge farm. He ordered the murder of my
fathers family of about 40 people. The murder was carried out by the
Jewish Commissar and a dozen communist thugs, whom my father described
as "Chinese" but they could have been Baluchis or Tajiks. The Jewish
Commissar  personally executed the children, because the "Chinese"
refused to kill kids.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 5, 3:03 am, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
> On Apr 3, 5:23 am, "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "L Alpert"  wrote in message
>
> >news:WCrQh.2593$5e2.541@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> > > Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
> > >> On Apr 1, 2:53 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > >>> Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
> > >>>>   No, tell us all about it. The Christian
> > >>>>   people loved their Tsar and his family, who,
> > >>>>   BTW were Queen Victoria's grandchildren.
>
> > >>> Are you unaware the Russian Orthodox Church relied almost totally on
> > >>> the patronage of the bourgoise in Czarist Russia.? The royals,
> > >>> bourgoise and the church , were intrinsically entwined, each
> > >>> dependent on the other for support.
> > >>> The fact is the Russian Orthodox Church had become corrupted by
> > >>> wealth, they cared far more about their relationship with the upper
> > >>> classes than caring for the poor and the needy.
> > >>> The Bolshevik revolution was a very popular revolution, it had the
> > >>> supportof by far the majority of the masses , the majority of
> > >>> intellectuals and even members of the upper
> > >>> classes with some insight into reality and a sense of justice..
>
> > >>  Rubbish, It resulted in th deaths of millions
> > >>  and teh jw who financed it couldn't care
> > >>  less about the poor anymore than they do today.
> > >>  It was/is jew usury who robbed people of their
> > >> homes and farms because of their debt to the jew.
>
> > >>>>    What "system" did the masses want - Bolshevism"?
>
> > >>> 
>
> > >>> 
> > >>> The masses wanted food on their plates, to be released from serfdom
> > >>> and the grinding generational poverty it caused (for the benefit of
> > >>> the rich and the church), they wanted decent working conditions and
> > >>> pay  for the work they did and they wanted a say in how their lives
> > >>> were run., all of which was perfectly understandable. Try imagining
> > >>> yourself in the peasants shoes......
>
> > >>>>   Watch Fiddler on the Roof the next time it comes
> > >>>>   on T.V.It was jews like Paul Glazer who played
> > >>>>   a jew in the film who was rioting in the streets,
> > >>>>   and telling Tevye that "We are going to change
> > >>>>   things".  The jew wants to change things everywhere
> > >>>>   they go.
>
> > >>> Typical Boedicea remark- to be expected from the Jew hater and white
> > >>> supreemacist who believes shewais born entitled to wealth , status
> > >>> and the respect of those she regards in inferior..
>
> > >>  You are a cretin. Considering all the jew
> > >>  millionaires and jew money lenders, it is *they*
> > >>  who believe they are entitled to wealth and
> > >>  status.
>
> > > The specific individuals you speak of, either goy or Jew, are entitled to
> > > all of the wealth and they have amassed.  Everyone has the same
> > > opportunity, even you.  Complaining of your own inefective uses of said
> > > opportunities is only sour grapes.
>
> > You're pretty good at amassing fortunes which don't belong to you, fatso. In
> > fact, there are a number of intriguing court documents in the public domain
> > related to your nefarious activities.-
>
>  I was stationed in Germany in the 60's and even then the
>  Germans spoke of their hatred for the jew.  They
>  particularly hated the jew women who employed German
>  servants.  They locked up the food larder and had fits
>  if an egg was missing.  Why German women should be
>  servants in the homes of the aliens in their own country
>  is a mystery.
>
>   "I was saved from the Germans by my (Polish) nanny".
>   Abe Foxman ADL.
>
>   I wonder how many jews worked as nannies in Polish
>   home.

There is no love lost between the Jew and the Pole! A friend who lived
in Pshemishl, said that all people moved out of the building when one
kike family moved in



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 AL QARDA'S JEWISH LEADER

The CNN article[1] is entitled "American al Qaeda: U.S. should convert
to Islam," and if that wasn't scary enough the article then quotes one
of the speakers on the alleged "Al Qaeda" tape, a Jew named Adam
Pearlman, "We invite all Americans and believers to Islam, whatever
their role and status in Bush and Blair's world order...Decide today,
because today could be your last day." The article then quotes an
alleged "expert," on Al Qaeda and terrorism, a woman named Laura
Mansfield, who says, "the time reference could indicate an attack is
near. Muslims believe that non-believers should be given a chance to
convert before they are attacked." Booga booga!

What the CNN article never mentions is that Adam Gadhn, or "Azzam the
American," as the media likes to refer to him, is in reality a Jew
>from California named Adam Pearlman. I'm not kidding reader, I'm as
serious as a heart attack, Azzam the American is a Jew. CNN isn't the
only negligent news agency, not a single one of the television
networks have mentioned Gadahn's/Pearlman's pedigree, not one. The
only news source I am aware of that has mentioned the fact that "Azzam
the American" is Jewish, was the LA Times and the Washington Post, and
then only in the most cryptic manner.

According to Xymphora, a very credible Internet blog that cited/
sourced the Times and Post articles, the Times noted in a
"characteristically coy" manner:
"In 1995, at 17, Adam Gadahn moved out of the family's Winchester
home, his father said, because 'he wanted out of the country and
wanted to be in the city,' where he lived with relatives in Garden
Grove.[2]"

Xymphora then presents what is referred to as the details of the case,
provided by the Washington Post, which the LA Times conveniently
neglected to mention and that was exactly who these relatives were.

"While living with his grandparents in suburban Santa Ana, he made his
first trip to the nearby mosque in 1995. He introduced himself as
Yahya - the Arabic name for John the Baptist, revered as a great
prophet in Islam."

That's right reader, Gadahn/Pearlman's "relatives," were actually his
grandparents. Now here's the interesting part, Pearlman's grandfather
was a sitting board member on the Anti-Defamation League, a
notoriously anti-Gentile organization that has historically attacked
anything and everything that could in any way be considered Christian,
wholesome, virtuous, honorable, etc... The ADL is the primary force
behind the assault on Mel Gibson,[3] anytime anyone utters what could
in any way be perceived as anything less than pro-Jewish, Abraham
Foxman, the Director of the ADL, immediately begins a well
orchestrated smear campaign, designed to do one thing, force an
apology, which can then be spun by the ADL into an admission that
whatever errant individual they have targeted was wrong and probably
anti-Semitic for saying whatever it was that "offended," the ADL.

In a past essay I noted:

"In reality, the ADL is nothing more than a political arm of organized
world Zionism. It is essentially an organization that is designed to
smear the reputation of those that dare question the motives of
Zionism and often, individual Zionists acting out of sheer selfishness
or on behalf of their co-ethnics. The ADL has the ear of government,
the judiciary and law enforcement, it has managed to insert itself in
these venues by claiming to represent the underdog, which is generally
understood to mean minorities in our present day and age... The ADL
engages in defamation, in fact it has mastered the art of defamation -
it can and does defame anyone that attempts to bring attention to
issues that organized Zionism wants kept under wraps. Interestingly,
Foxman and the ADL aren't in the least bit hesitant to engage in this
type of disingenuous behavior, in fact they do so in the open, relying
on the media, which is disproportionately owned, operated and managed
by Jewish Zionists to convey to the world the ADL's goal while at the
same time suppressing the League's defamatory techniques."[4]

Nothing has changed of course, the media continues its subterfuge,
that is why Adam Gadahn's true background remains unknown to the vast
majority of Americans, the media refuses to tell viewers that Adam
Gadahn, "Azzam the American," is in reality a Californian Jew with a
penchant for "death metal," music[5] that just happened to "convert,"
to Islam, and become an important player in Al Qaeda, so important in
fact, that Al Qaeda's number Two, Ayman al-Zawahiri himself,
introduces "Azzam the American," in the latest Al Qaeda taped threat.
[6]

Wake up America, you're being lied to.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 6, 12:13 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote innews:1175742688.442496.225750@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >http://this.is/jenin/photo_3.html
>
>         Another setup job by the Paleosimians.
>         This was debunked long ago.
>
>         IBM

HOW DO YOU7 DEBUNK THE SLAUGHTER OF 500 PLUS, PEOPLE?  HOW DO YOU
DEBUNK THE DESTRUCTION OF HUNDREDS OF HOMES?  JUST SAY THAT IT NEVER
HAPPENED?

U.N. COMMISSIONERS WERE PREVENTED FROM INSPECTING JENIN OR EVEN
ENTERING THE ZIONAZI ENCLAVE!



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On Apr 6, 7:08 am, "Prime Minister"  wrote:
> Jews and Muslims respectively proclaim themselves Mafiosos and
> Terrorists

TELLING MER:

raqi dies in America-run prison


11:44:28 =DE.=D9
An Iraqi held without any charge at the America-run prison Cropper
near Baghdad airport died two days ago, the military reported on
Friday.

The Iraqi was pronounced dead on April 4, the military said.

Almost half a dozen Iraqis who are held in the prison have died since
November. Thousands of Iraqis are being held in the prison without
charge.

sm

http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=3D234501



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On Apr 6, 2:27 am, "Cazador"  wrote:
> Published on Saturday, March 24, 2007 by Truthdig.com
> Calling Out Idiot America
> by Scott Ritter
> The ongoing hand-wringing in Congress by the newly empowered Democrats
> over what to do about the war in Iraq speaks volumes about the level
> of concern (or lack thereof) these "representatives of the people"
> have toward the men and women who honor us all by serving in the armed
> forces of the United States of America. The inability to reach
> consensus concerning the level of funding required or how to exercise
> effective oversight of the war, both constitutionally mandated
> responsibilities, is more a reflection of congressional cowardice and
> impotence than a byproduct of any heartfelt introspection over troop
> welfare and national security.
>
> The issues that prompt the congressional collective to behave in such
> an egregious manner have more to do with a reflexive tendency to avoid
> any controversy that might disrupt the status quo ante regarding
> representative-constituent relations (i.e., re-election) than with any
> intellectual debate about doing the right thing. This sickening trend
> is bipartisan in nature, but of particular shame to the Democrats, who
> obtained their majority from an electorate that expressed
> dissatisfaction with the progress of the war in Iraq through their
> votes, demanding that something be done.
>
> Sadly, Congress' smoke-and-mirrors approach to the Iraq war creates
> the impression of much activity while generating no result. Even more
> sadly, the majority of Americans are falling for the act, either by
> continuing their past trend of political disengagement or by thinking
> that the gesticulation and pontification taking place in Washington,
> D.C., actually translate into useful work. The fact is, most Americans
> are ill-placed intellectually, either through genuine ignorance, a
> lack of curiosity or a combination of both, to judge for themselves
> the efficacy of congressional behavior when it comes to Iraq. Congress
> claims to be searching for a solution to Iraq, and many Americans
> simply accept that this is this case.
>
> The fact is one cannot begin to search for a solution to a problem
> that has yet to be accurately defined. We speak of "surges,"
> "stability" and "funding" as if these terms come close to addressing
> the real problems faced in Iraq. There is widespread recognition among
> members of Congress and the American people that there is civil unrest
> in Iraq today, with Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence tearing that country
> apart, but the depth of analysis rarely goes beyond that obvious
> statement of fact. Americans might be able to nod their heads
> knowingly if one utters the words Sunni, Shiite and Kurd, but very few
> could take the conversation much further down the path of genuine
> comprehension regarding the interrelationships among these three
> groups. And yet we, the people, are expected to be able to hold to
> account those whom we elected to represent us in higher office, those
> making the decisions regarding the war in Iraq. How can the ignorant
> accomplish this task? And ignorance is not something uniquely attached
> to the American public. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the newly appointed
> chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, infamously failed a pop
> quiz in which journalist Jeff Stein asked him to differentiate between
> Sunni and Shiite. Reyes has become the poster boy for congressional
> stupidity, but in truth he is not alone. Very few of his colleagues
> could pass the test, truth be told.
>
> The task of holding Congress to account is a daunting one, and can be
> accomplished only if the citizenry that forms the respective
> constituencies of our ignorant congressional representatives are
> themselves able to operate at an intellectual capacity above that of
> those they are holding to account. So rather than issue "pop quizzes"
> to our elected representatives, I've designed one for us, the people.
> If the reader can fully answer the question raised, then he or she
> qualifies as one capable of pointing an accusatory finger at Congress
> as its members dither over what to do in Iraq. If the reader fails the
> quiz, then there should be an honest appraisal of the reality that we
> are in way over our heads regarding this war, and that it is
> irresponsible for anyone to make sweeping judgments about the
> ramifications of policy courses of action yet to be agreed upon.
> Claiming to be able to divine a solution to a problem improperly
> defined is not only ignorant but dangerously delusional.
>
> So here is the quiz: Explain the relationship between the Iraqi cities
> of Karbala and Baghdad as they impact the coexistence of Iraq's Shiite
> and Sunni populations.
>
> Most respondents who have a basic understanding of Iraq will answer
> that Karbala is a city of significance to Iraq's Shiite population.
> Baghdad is Iraq's capital, with a mixed Sunni and Shiite population.
> If that is your answer, you fail.
>
> Karbala is a holy city for the Shiites. Its status as such is based on
> the fact that Hussein, a grandson of the prophet Muhammad and son of
> Ali, the fourth caliph, was killed outside Karbala in a battle between
> Hussein's followers and forces loyal to Yazid, son of Muawiyah, the
> fifth caliph. The two sides were fighting over the line of succession
> when it came to leading the Muslim faithful after the death of
> Muhammad in the year 632. Abu Bakr, a close colleague of Muhammad but
> not a member of Muhammad's biological family, was elected as the first
> caliph after the prophet's death, an act that many Muslims believed
> broke faith with a necessity for the successor of Muhammad to be from
> his family. Abu Bakr's death brought about a quick succession of
> caliphs, all of whom met untimely deaths and none of whom were from
> the family line of Muhammad.
>
> When Ali was elected as the fourth caliph, many Muslims believed that
> for the first time since the death of Muhammad the caliphate had been
> restored to one properly authorized in the eyes of God to lead the
> Muslim faith. In fact, upon Ali's accession as caliph, one of his
> first acts was to seek to restore the Muslim faith to its puritanical
> origins, which Ali believed had been departed from by the merchant
> families closely allied with the third caliph, Othman. Ali's efforts
> were bitterly resisted by merchant families in Damascus, which refused
> to recognize Ali as the caliph. The head of the Damascus rebels,
> Muawiyah, fought a bitter conflict with Ali, which weakened the
> caliphate and paved the way for Ali's assassination.
>
> Upon Ali's death, the caliphate was transferred to his elder son,
> Hassan, but when this succession was challenged by Muawiyah, Hassan
> relented, transferring the caliphate to Muawiyah with the caveat that
> once Muawiyah died, the caliphate would be returned to the lineage of
> the prophet Muhammad. When Muawiyah died, the caliphate passed to his
> son, Yazid. This succession was challenged by Hussein, Hassan's
> brother and Ali's younger son, who believed that the succession, as
> dictated by Hassan when he abdicated, should have gone to someone
> within the direct line of the prophet Muhammad, namely Hussein.
> Yazid's treacherous attack on Hussein and his followers, occurring as
> it did during prayer time, set the stage for the split in the Muslim
> faith between the Shiat Ali (Shia, or followers of Ali) and the Ahl-i
> Sunnah (Sunni, or the people who follow in the custom of the prophet
> Muhammad). Both Shiite and Sunni view one another as deviants from the
> pure form of Islam as taught by Muhammad, and as such functioning as
> apostates deserving death.
>
> If you answered the quiz on Karbala in the above fashion, you would
> still be wrong. The split between Sunni and Shiite goes beyond simple
> hatred for one another. Not only did the religion split, but so too
> did the methodology of governance as well as the interrelationship
> between religion and politics.
>
> There was a final chance at achieving unity within the Muslim world.
> In the year 750, at the battle of Zab in Egypt, nearly the entire
> aristocracy formed from the lineage of Muawiyah was annihilated when
> the Damascus-based caliphate clashed with predominantly Shiite rebels.
> Jaffar, a Shiite spiritual leader and the great-grandson of Hussein,
> was supposed to be elevated to the caliphate, thereby uniting the
> Muslim world, but was instead murdered by Al-Mansur, who established
> the Abbasid caliphate in Baghdad. This final treachery created a
> permanent split between the Shiites and those who became known as
> Sunnis.
>
> The Shiite faithful embraced rule by imams, infallible leaders who
> provide guidance over spiritual and political affairs. According to
> the majority of Shiites, there are 12 imams, originating with Ali. The
> 12th imam, also named Muhammad, is believed by many Shiites to be the
> Mahdi, or savior, who went into hiding at God's command and will
> return at the end of days to bring salvation to the faithful. With the
> passing of the 12th imam, matters of spiritual and political concerns
> were dealt with by religious scholars, or the ulema. These scholars
> are products of religious academies, known as "hawza." In Iraq, the
> city of Najaf is home to the most important hawza, the Hawza Ilmiya.
> Each hawza produces religious scholars, or "marjas," who interpret
> religion and provide guidance over social matters to those who rally
> around their particular teachings.
>
> The Najaf Hawza currently has four marjas, or grand ayatollahs, each
> of whom reigns supreme when it comes to matters of religion or state.
> The faithful look to their hawza for guidance in all they do, and the
> sermons given by the various marjas take on a significance little
> understood by those who aren't born and bred into that society. To
> speak of creating a unified Iraqi state without factoring in the
> reality of the hawza and its competing marjas is tantamount to
> claiming one will seek to fly without factoring in the realities of
> lift and gravity.
>
> So if you answered the question concerning the city of Karbala with
> anything remotely resembling an insight into not only the schism that
> exists between the Sunni and the Shiite but also how the development
> of the practice of the Shiite faith has led to an absolute insinuation
> of religious dogma into every aspect of social and political life in a
> manner that operates independently of any so-called central state
> authority, you would get a passing grade, enabling you to move on to
> the next city covered by the pop quiz: Baghdad.
>
> It is not only the Shiites who are bound by religious ties seemingly
> indecipherable to the West. From the chaos that was created with the
> Islamic schism came a very fluid situation in the development of Sunni
> Islamic dogma, with the Sunnis embracing a notion of consensus among
> the historical Muslim community, a line of thinking that led to the
> creation of four so-called legal schools of Islamic thought (the
> Maliki, the Hannafi, the Hanbali and the Shafi'i). These schools
> produced Islamic scholars who in turn competed for a constituency of
> followers. While in theory Sunni scholars preached adherence to the
> customs of the prophet Muhammad, in practice the Sunni schools became
> intertwined in the affairs of state and business. This deviation from
> the pure practice of faith led to the growth of "mystic societies"
> known as Sufism. Sufi brotherhoods sprang up throughout the Muslim
> world, each preaching its own mystical path toward achieving personal
> growth through the teachings of the prophet Muhammad.
>
> The Abbasid caliphate, which oversaw this period of religious
> "softening," in which the pure practice of Islam gave way to a more
> secular tolerance of the baser concerns of man, was centered in
> Baghdad. It was the fall of Baghdad to the Mongols in 1258 that
> signaled not only the end of the Abbasid caliph's rule but the
> certification in the eyes of some Sunni faithful that Abbasid's ruin
> was brought about by the lack of pure faith in Islam by those
> professing to be Muslim. One of the basic tenants of the Sunni faith
> was the notion of community consensus, or "taqlid." Taqlid was
> actively practiced by three of the four "legal" schools of Sunni
> thought. The sole exception was the school of the Hanbali, which
> followed a stricter interpretation of the faith. A Hanbali religious
> jurist, Ibn Taymiya, rose to prominence in the aftermath of the Mongol
> invasion. He held not only that the Mongols were an enemy of Islam but
> that the Shiite Islamic state that emerged in Persia after the Mongol
> conquest was likewise anathema.
>
> More important, Ibn Taymiya broke ranks with the rest of the Sunni
> community, especially those who practiced Sufism, declaring all to be
> an affront to God. Ibn Taymiya rejected the notion of community
> consensus represented in the taqlid and instead professed that a true
> Muslim state could exist only where the political leader governed as a
> partner with the religious leader, and was subordinated to the
> religious through strict adherence to the "sharia," or religious law.
> The Muslim jurists, or "ulema," held total sway over society, to the
> extent that even matters pertaining to war were reserved for the
> religious leader, or imam, who was the only person authorized to
> declare a jihad.
>
> During the Abbysid caliph, the term jihad had taken on the connotation
> of inner struggle. This interpretation gained wide acceptance with the
> spread of the Sufi brotherhoods, which were all about inner discovery.
> Ibn Taymiya rejected this notion of jihad, instead proclaiming that
> true jihad involved a relentless struggle against the enemies of
> Islam. For a while his teachings were popular, especially when they
> were being used to encourage the forces of Sunni Islam confronting the
> infidel Mongol invaders. However, his strict interpretation of Hanbali
> tenets were rejected even by other Hanbali religious scholars, and Ibn
> Taymiya himself was branded a heretic.
>
> The teachings of Ibn Taymiya continued to be taught in certain Hanbali
> circles, including those operating in the holy city of Medina. It was
> here, in the 18th century, that a Arab Bedouin from the Nejd desert,
> in what is today Saudi Arabia, named Muhammed al-Wahhab emerged to
> create a movement that not only embraced the teachings of Ibn Taymiya
> but took them even further, preaching a virulent form of Islam that
> claimed to seek to bring the faithful back to the religion as
> practiced by the prophet Muhammad himself. Wahhab's movement, known as
> the Call to Unity, reflected his strict interpretation of Islam as set
> forth in his book Kitab al-Tawhid, or the Book of Unity.
>
> At first Wahhab was rejected by the Sunni scholars, and he was hounded
> and finally forced to take refuge in the tiny village of Dariya. There
> Wahhab befriended the local governor, Muhammed Ibn Saud, initiating
> what was to become a partnership in which the Saud family took on the
> role of emir, or political leader, while Wahhab became imam, or
> religious leader. The team of Bedouin warrior and Islamic fanatic soon
> led to what would become known as the Wahhabi conquest, bringing much
> of what is now present-day Saudi Arabia under their strict religious
> rule. In 1802 a Wahhabi army attacked Karbala and sacked the sacred
> Shiite shrine to Hussein. In 1803 the Wahhabis sacked Mecca, laying
> waste to the most holy sites in the Islamic world, including the Great
> Mosque. In 1804 the Wahhabis captured Medina, looted the tomb of the
> prophet Muhammad and shut off the hajj, or pilgrimage, to all non-
> Wahhabis. The rise of the Wahhabi empire was seen as a threat to all
> Islam, and soon a massive counterattack was mounted by the caliphate
> in Egypt. By 1818 the Wahhabis had been destroyed in battle, and
> everyone professing Wahhabism was treated as an apostate and
> butchered. The head of the Saud tribe was captured and beheaded, along
> with many of his fellow tribesmen.
>
> Deep in the Arab deserts, a small number of Saudi tribesmen, strict
> adherents to Wahhabism, survived the Egyptian onslaught and began the
> struggle to regain their lost power. By 1924 the Wahhabis once again
> controlled Mecca and Medina, and by 1932 a new nation, Saudi Arabia,
> emerged from the Arabian deserts, governed by the house of Saud and
> with religious affairs totally in the hands of the Wahhabis.
>
> To the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia there were two great sources of
> religious heretics: the Shiites, who ruled in Iran and represented a
> majority population in several Arab nations, including Iraq, and worse
> still, the Sunni Arabs, who rejected the true path as represented by
> the teachings of Wahhab. The puritanical form of Islam pushed by the
> Wahhabis was difficult to export, however, until the oil crisis of
> 1973, after which the Saudi government was able to fund the printing
> of Wahhabi literature and training of Wahhabi missionaries. In Iraq,
> there was some attraction to the puritanical teachings of Wahhabism
> among the Bedouin of the western deserts. However, with the rise to
> power of Saddam Hussein, Wahhabism and those who proselytized in its
> name were treated as enemies of the state. Wahhabism was still
> practiced in the shadows of Sunni mosques throughout Iraq, but anyone
> caught doing so was immediately arrested and put to death.
>
> Wahhabi concerns over the weakening of the Muslim world by those who
> practiced anything other than pure Islam were certified in the minds
> of the faithful when, in April 2003, American soldiers captured
> Baghdad in what many Wahhabis viewed as a repeat of the sack of the
> city at the hands of the Mongols in 1258. Adding insult to injury, the
> role of Iraq's Shiites in aiding and abetting the American conquest
> was seen as proof positive that the only salvation for the faithful
> could come at the hands of a pure form of the Islamic faith, that of
> Wahhabism. As the American liberation dragged on into the American
> occupation, and the level of violence between the Shiites and Sunnis
> grew, the call of jihad as promulgated by the Wahhabis gained
> increasing credence among the tribes of western Iraq.
>
> The longer the Americans remain in Iraq, the more violence the
> Americans bring down on Iraq, and the more the Americans are seen as
> facilitating the persecution of the Sunnis by the Shiites, the more
> legitimate the call of the Wahhabi fanatics become. While American
> strategists may speak of the rise of al-Qaida in Iraq, this is
> misrecognition of what is really happening. Rather than foreigners
> arriving and spreading Wahhabism in Iraq, the virulent sect of Islamic
> fundamentalism is spreading on its own volition, assisted by the
> incompetence and brutality of an American occupation completely
> ignorant of the reality of the land and people it occupies. This is
> the true significance of Baghdad, and any answer not reflecting this
> will be graded as failing.
>
> A pop quiz, consisting of one question in two parts. Most readers
> might complain that it is not realistic to expect mainstream America
> to possess the knowledge necessary to achieve the level of
> comprehension required to pass this quiz. I agree. However, since the
> mission of the United States in Iraq has shifted from disarming Saddam
> to installing democracy to creating stability, I think it only fair
> that the American people be asked about those elements that are most
> relevant to the issue, namely the Shiite and Sunni faithful and how
> they interact with one another.
>
> It is sadly misguided to believe that surging an additional 20,000
> U.S. troops into Baghdad and western Iraq will even come close to
> redressing the issues raised in this article. And if you concur that
> the reality of Iraq is far too complicated to be understood by the
> average American, yet alone cured by the dispatch of additional
> troops, then we have a collective responsibility to ask what the hell
> we are doing in that country to begin with. If this doesn't represent
> a clarion call for bringing our men and women home, nothing does.
>
> Scott Ritter was a Marine Corps intelligence officer from 1984 to 1991
> and a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998. He
> is the author of numerous books, including "Iraq Confidential" (Nation
> Books, 2005) and "Target Iran" (Nation Books, 2006)

That is about the size of it, allright!



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     But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the
late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County.
Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-
Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in
1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy
scandal."

 The man now known as 'Azzam the American', and definitely associated
with top al Qaeda leaders, was born Adam Pearlman, the son of semi-
prominent hippie musician Phil Pearlman.  Pearlman had converted to
Christianity and changed the family name to Gadahn.  Phil Pearlman's
father was in fact prominent urologist Carl Kenneth Pearlman.  From
Carl Pearlman's obituary (scroll down):

    "He devoted much time to YMCA in Santa Ana. In an effort to aid
the plight of world Jewry in the post-war years, he became the first
chairman in Orange County of the Bonds for Israel and served as
chairman for the United Jewish Welfare Fund.
    He served with the Jewish Family Service and the Nursing Home
Advisory Committee. He was a member of the board of directors of the
Anti-Defamation League and was an honoree of the National Conference
of Christians and Jews (now known as the National Conference for
Community and Justice)."

The Los Angeles Times is characteristically coy (original story no
longer available but it is reprinted here; coy word is in red):

    "In 1995, at 17, Adam Gadahn moved out of the family's Winchester
home, his father said, because 'he wanted out of the country and
wanted to be in the city,' where he lived with relatives in Garden
Grove."

Actually, the detail comes from the Washington Post:

    "While living with his grandparents in suburban Santa Ana, he made
his first trip to the nearby mosque in 1995. He introduced himself as
Yahya - the Arabic name for John the Baptist, revered as a great
prophet in Islam."

It's an old pattern.  Teenaged son rebels from hippie parents, then
flees the countryside - and the hippie lack of electricity or indoor
plumbing - to live with grandparents.  Grandfather is on the board of
directors of the Anti-Defamation League, so he almost immediately
decides to join a mosque.  He then assaults the director of the
mosque, and is seen hanging out with 'radical' Muslims (and note this
extremely odd parallel story, stemming out of the same Garden Grove
mosque).  He also becomes a bit famous for an internet essay "Becoming
Muslim", which is itself rather odd:

    "On the left, conspiracy theorists - no less energized than their
right-wing counterparts - got busy, too. They thought it strange, they
said, as if the government stitched the story together from scratch.
Some kid who never before posted to the Internet drops a deeply
personal revelation onto a USC website, a diatribe that is chock full
of anti-government, anti-Christian sentiments, and then pretty much
disappears from cyberspace. A person doesn't just post his entire life
story on the Web and never post again, they say. You'd think someone
like that would have been on the Web all the time; at least you could
find him on Islamic faith newsgroups, chatting about the Qur'an.

    But Gadahn's online presence is scant. Since stuff tends to hang
around in cyberspace forever, it does raise questions that, other than
"Becoming Muslim," and a few news articles he's appeared to have
edited about jihad, why is Gadahn nowhere to be found?

    There are other odd occurrences about "Becoming Muslim," such as
Gadahn's statements that the U.S. government considered Muslims to be
"bloodthirsty, barbaric terrorists." This is a mostly inaccurate
conclusion to have drawn in 1995; though anti-Muslim sentiments in
America rose after 9/11, the U.S. government had not previously taken
such a hard-line position."

Gadahn has become a cause c=E9l=E8bre for the American right, a made-to-
order American traitor from central casting.  What if he really was
manufactured?  His confused background, with a detour through heavy
metal, his moving in with his grandparents (grandfather on the ADL
board), his rare internet essay anachronistically written from a
Zionist perspective and not the perspective of the American government
in 1995 (as if the Zionists had already written the post-September 11
script), his immediate 'conversion' to Islam and association with
'radical' Muslims - it's all just a bit too contrived.  We have seen
other examples of how Israel has infiltrated Islamist organizations
(most recently in Lebanon).  Have the Zionists infiltrated al Qaeda at
its highest levels?  Or is it more accurate to look at al Qaeda as a
'false flag' Zionist organization?




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:25 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Ontelligence sources say Californian (Gadahn) was on tape.
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 Adam Pearlman is in charge of the phony Al Qaeda.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:25 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Ontelligence sources say Californian (Gadahn) was on tape.
Date: 6 Apr 2007 06:12:56 -0700
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  But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the
late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County.
Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-
Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in
1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy
scandal."

  The man now known as 'Azzam the American', and definitely associated
with top al Qaeda leaders, was born Adam Pearlman, the son of semi-
prominent hippie musician Phil Pearlman.  Pearlman had converted to
Christianity and changed the family name to Gadahn.  Phil Pearlman's
father was in fact prominent urologist Carl Kenneth Pearlman.  From
Carl Pearlman's obituary (scroll down):

    "He devoted much time to YMCA in Santa Ana. In an effort to aid
the plight of world Jewry in the post-war years, he became the first
chairman in Orange County of the Bonds for Israel and served as
chairman for the United Jewish Welfare Fund.
    He served with the Jewish Family Service and the Nursing Home
Advisory Committee. He was a member of the board of directors of the
Anti-Defamation League and was an honoree of the National Conference
of Christians and Jews (now known as the National Conference for
Community and Justice)."

The Los Angeles Times is characteristically coy (original story no
longer available but it is reprinted here; coy word is in red):

    "In 1995, at 17, Adam Gadahn moved out of the family's Winchester
home, his father said, because 'he wanted out of the country and
wanted to be in the city,' where he lived with relatives in Garden
Grove."

Actually, the detail comes from the Washington Post:

    "While living with his grandparents in suburban Santa Ana, he made
his first trip to the nearby mosque in 1995. He introduced himself as
Yahya - the Arabic name for John the Baptist, revered as a great
prophet in Islam."

It's an old pattern.  Teenaged son rebels from hippie parents, then
flees the countryside - and the hippie lack of electricity or indoor
plumbing - to live with grandparents.  Grandfather is on the board of
directors of the Anti-Defamation League, so he almost immediately
decides to join a mosque.  He then assaults the director of the
mosque, and is seen hanging out with 'radical' Muslims (and note this
extremely odd parallel story, stemming out of the same Garden Grove
mosque).  He also becomes a bit famous for an internet essay "Becoming
Muslim", which is itself rather odd:

    "On the left, conspiracy theorists - no less energized than their
right-wing counterparts - got busy, too. They thought it strange, they
said, as if the government stitched the story together from scratch.
Some kid who never before posted to the Internet drops a deeply
personal revelation onto a USC website, a diatribe that is chock full
of anti-government, anti-Christian sentiments, and then pretty much
disappears from cyberspace. A person doesn't just post his entire life
story on the Web and never post again, they say. You'd think someone
like that would have been on the Web all the time; at least you could
find him on Islamic faith newsgroups, chatting about the Qur'an.

    But Gadahn's online presence is scant. Since stuff tends to hang
around in cyberspace forever, it does raise questions that, other than
"Becoming Muslim," and a few news articles he's appeared to have
edited about jihad, why is Gadahn nowhere to be found?

    There are other odd occurrences about "Becoming Muslim," such as
Gadahn's statements that the U.S. government considered Muslims to be
"bloodthirsty, barbaric terrorists." This is a mostly inaccurate
conclusion to have drawn in 1995; though anti-Muslim sentiments in
America rose after 9/11, the U.S. government had not previously taken
such a hard-line position."

Gadahn has become a cause c=E9l=E8bre for the American right, a made-to-
order American traitor from central casting.  What if he really was
manufactured?  His confused background, with a detour through heavy
metal, his moving in with his grandparents (grandfather on the ADL
board), his rare internet essay anachronistically written from a
Zionist perspective and not the perspective of the American government
in 1995 (as if the Zionists had already written the post-September 11
script), his immediate 'conversion' to Islam and association with
'radical' Muslims - it's all just a bit too contrived.  We have seen
other examples of how Israel has infiltrated Islamist organizations
(most recently in Lebanon).  Have the Zionists infiltrated al Qaeda at
its highest levels?  Or is it more accurate to look at al Qaeda as a
'false flag' Zionist organization?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: AL QAEDA'S JEWISH LEADER
Date: 6 Apr 2007 08:32:25 -0700
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   But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the
late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County.
Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-
Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in
1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy
scandal."

  The man now known as 'Azzam the American', and definitely associated
with top al Qaeda leaders, was born Adam Pearlman, the son of semi-
prominent hippie musician Phil Pearlman.  Pearlman had converted to
Christianity and changed the family name to Gadahn.  Phil Pearlman's
father was in fact prominent urologist Carl Kenneth Pearlman.  From
Carl Pearlman's obituary (scroll down):

    "He devoted much time to YMCA in Santa Ana. In an effort to aid
the plight of world Jewry in the post-war years, he became the first
chairman in Orange County of the Bonds for Israel and served as
chairman for the United Jewish Welfare Fund.
    He served with the Jewish Family Service and the Nursing Home
Advisory Committee. He was a member of the board of directors of the
Anti-Defamation League and was an honoree of the National Conference
of Christians and Jews (now known as the National Conference for
Community and Justice)."

The Los Angeles Times is characteristically coy (original story no
longer available but it is reprinted here; coy word is in red):

    "In 1995, at 17, Adam Gadahn moved out of the family's Winchester
home, his father said, because 'he wanted out of the country and
wanted to be in the city,' where he lived with relatives in Garden
Grove."

Actually, the detail comes from the Washington Post:

    "While living with his grandparents in suburban Santa Ana, he made
his first trip to the nearby mosque in 1995. He introduced himself as
Yahya - the Arabic name for John the Baptist, revered as a great
prophet in Islam."

It's an old pattern.  Teenaged son rebels from hippie parents, then
flees the countryside - and the hippie lack of electricity or indoor
plumbing - to live with grandparents.  Grandfather is on the board of
directors of the Anti-Defamation League, so he almost immediately
decides to join a mosque.  He then assaults the director of the
mosque, and is seen hanging out with 'radical' Muslims (and note this
extremely odd parallel story, stemming out of the same Garden Grove
mosque).  He also becomes a bit famous for an internet essay "Becoming
Muslim", which is itself rather odd:

    "On the left, conspiracy theorists - no less energized than their
right-wing counterparts - got busy, too. They thought it strange, they
said, as if the government stitched the story together from scratch.
Some kid who never before posted to the Internet drops a deeply
personal revelation onto a USC website, a diatribe that is chock full
of anti-government, anti-Christian sentiments, and then pretty much
disappears from cyberspace. A person doesn't just post his entire life
story on the Web and never post again, they say. You'd think someone
like that would have been on the Web all the time; at least you could
find him on Islamic faith newsgroups, chatting about the Qur'an.

    But Gadahn's online presence is scant. Since stuff tends to hang
around in cyberspace forever, it does raise questions that, other than
"Becoming Muslim," and a few news articles he's appeared to have
edited about jihad, why is Gadahn nowhere to be found?

    There are other odd occurrences about "Becoming Muslim," such as
Gadahn's statements that the U.S. government considered Muslims to be
"bloodthirsty, barbaric terrorists." This is a mostly inaccurate
conclusion to have drawn in 1995; though anti-Muslim sentiments in
America rose after 9/11, the U.S. government had not previously taken
such a hard-line position."

Gadahn has become a cause c=E9l=E8bre for the American right, a made-to-
order American traitor from central casting.  What if he really was
manufactured?  His confused background, with a detour through heavy
metal, his moving in with his grandparents (grandfather on the ADL
board), his rare internet essay anachronistically written from a
Zionist perspective and not the perspective of the American government
in 1995 (as if the Zionists had already written the post-September 11
script), his immediate 'conversion' to Islam and association with
'radical' Muslims - it's all just a bit too contrived.  We have seen
other examples of how Israel has infiltrated Islamist organizations
(most recently in Lebanon).  Have the Zionists infiltrated al Qaeda at
its highest levels?  Or is it more accurate to look at al Qaeda as a
'false flag' Zionist organization?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED
Date: 6 Apr 2007 09:27:49 -0700
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On Mar 29, 10:35 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
> On Mar 29, 6:32 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> How many times are you zio bats going to post this garbage and lies?
> I have seen it now at least 200 times.
> Stick to the topic.
> Instead of: derailing, lies, and slander.
> For a welcome change.
>
> Mirelle
She thinks that somebody is reading her lies, stupid reposts, and
ZioNazi propaganda. Actually, she is simply using MBs which could be
better utilized for real discussion. In other words Tilly is an
uneducated sow.




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED
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On Mar 29, 11:30 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
> > On Mar 29, 6:32 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > How many times are you zio bats going to post this garbage and lies?
> > I have seen it now at least 200 times.
> > Stick to the topic.
> > Instead of: derailing, lies, and slander.
> > For a welcome change.
>
> > Mirelle
>
>  Fact: They aren't lies.
> They are word for word quotes from Alex's posts over the last few years.
> Now please explain how factual quotes  are lies and slanders?

They are not actual posts, the quotes you constantly peddle are either
taken out of context, or are not mine.

If you really want to discuss any post that I have ever made, bring it
up whole and then tell me what part of it is untrue, you lying
diseased bitch!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:27 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.atheism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Poll Results: Describing Islam
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It is against the Islamic teachings to deride or criticize any faith,
in fact it is a sin. So, I have no choice but to stand back allow you
to deride my faith to your heart's content.

However, I can tell you that the more deride Islam, more Christians
embrace it



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:28 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.atheism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Poll Results: Describing Islam
Date: 6 Apr 2007 16:25:49 -0700
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On Apr 6, 3:58 pm, "Mike"  wrote:
> On Apr 6, 12:53 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > It is against the Islamic teachings to deride or criticize any faith,
> > in fact it is a sin. So, I have no choice but to stand back allow you
> > to deride my faith to your heart's content.
>
>      Glad to hear it.  But you should tell the morons who were rioting
> after the Danes published their cartoons and the Pope shot off his
> mouth.  They do not agree with your understanding of Islamic
> teaching.  Obviously the high ranking Mullas and Ayatollahs who issued
> the fatwas about killing Salmon Rushdie also do not agree.

They did not deride Christianity, they criticized the newspaper and
its publisher that is all



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:29 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED
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On Apr 6, 8:42 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> 
>
> > You are too kind! However, I do know what happened because I lived
> > through the Nazi occupation and the "blessings" of Jewish communism.
>
> Really?
> You were born in Serbia in 1929.
Was I? thanks for telling me that, I always wondered

> What "Jewish communism" did you suffer under Tito  in Serbia/Yugoslavia ?
> Were you  a  Serbian Chetnik Alex, not a partisan as you have repeatedly
> claimed?
What I claimed is the truth, fucknuckle!

>  I'd put money on it !!!
you have no money!

>
> Some facts:
>
> Marshall Tito , the communist who is widely believed to have be the only
> benificent
> dictator ever, was the President of the second Yugoslavia from  the time you
> Alex  were 14 years old. -he  was President of Yugoslavia from 1943 -until
> 1991.
> Tito was the first  communist leader to ever defy Stalin's leadership of the
> Cominform.
> Stalin took it personally-for once, to no avail. "Stop sending people to
> kill me," Tito wrote. "If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to
> Moscow, and I won't have to send a second."
FUCKING TYPICAL JEW LIAR!

> It resulted in a rift with the USSR.
> Tito ran the most 'open' communist country ever, (He opened the borders to
> all visitorsand abolished viosa requirements)  and was a founding member of
> the Non-Aligned Movement.
> Tito called for a peaceful resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict and
> called on the Arabs to recognise Israel, which is probably why you  think he
> was a "Jewish communist" whom you suffered  so much under  .(sarcasm
> intended)  LOL
>
> >And I know who was running the show. Likes of Tolia Sharansky who are
> > being idolized are actually the scum of the Earth who were responsible
> > for millions of people being dead
>
> Tolia Sharansky was "running the show" in the USSR ? He was a "Jewish
> communist" responsible for "the blessings of Jewish communism" ?
> Sharansky was responsible "for millions of people being dead".
> When and where?
TOLIA SHARANSKY;S OLD MAN WAS A CHIEF PROPAGANDIST IN UKRAINE, TOLIA
COULD NOT GO TO THE DOG CATCHER'S SCHOOL UNLESS HIS OLD MAN WAS A
APARATCHIK. TOLIA WENT TO MOSCOW UNIVERSITY, WHERE ONLY SONS OF JEWISH
COMMISSARS AND ARDENT COMMUNISTS EVER CROSSED THE DOORWAY' THIS
BULLSHIT ABOUT HIM SPENDING TIME IN PRISON IS A LIE. NOT A SINGLE EX
PRISONER HAS EVER MET THE JEW

>
> Was he able to direct this from his prison cell in the Gulag where he spent
> 9 years for resisting the communists?
LIAR!

When he wasn't in the Gulag he was
> constantly harrassed and under surveillance by the KGB.
LIAR!


>
> Who do you think you are fooling with your outrageous lies Alex?
YOU ARE A FUCKING RAT NOSED LIAR NOT ME, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK
THAT IA WAS BORN YESTERDAY?

> ROTFL..
>
> .
> FACTS:
>
> Sharansky was born in 1948, he has only recently turned 59.
> Solzhenitsyn considers Sharansky to have been one of the Soviet State's
> "greatest resisters". They were fellow 'resisters', Solzhenitsyn also spent
> 8 years in the Gulag.
FUCKING LIAR, AGAIN. SOLZHENITSYN WAS LIVING IN VERMONT FOR YEARS
DURING GLASNOST TIME AND HE NEVER ONCE MET YOUR LITTLE COMMUNIST PIECE
OF SHIT SHARANSKY

>
> Sharansky resisted the Soviets from the time he was a young student until
> the
> day he was able to leave the USSR.
LIAR YOU AND TOLIA

> He spent 9 years in prison in the gulag,
LIAR, YOU AND TOLIA

 during which time he demonstrated
> unwavering resistance ,refusing to concede anything to the Soviet
> State
> During his time in prison,Sharansky spent  400 days in punishment
> cells and  more than 200 days  were spent on hunger strikes.
LIAR. HE SPENT 18 MONTHS IN A SIBERIAN HUT IN EXILE, WHERE HIS JEWISH
WHORE COMPLAINED ABOUT HAVING TO CARRY WATER FROM "KOLODEC"
>
> In 1984  "The KGB guys were telling me, 'It's 1984, and your friend is not
> herebut the Soviet Union is: It will exist forever."  (The friend Sharansky
> is referring to is Andre Amalrik who is believed to have been eliminated by
> the KGBin France.)
ANOTHER JEW LIAR!

> Despite the incredible pressures he never stopped  resisting the Communists
RESISTING HOW? DID HE DO ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES NOTHING?

> , yet you claim he was a "Jewish communist" responsible for the death of
> millions?
INDIRECTLY, GARBAGE LIKE HIM DID KILL MILLIONS
>
> Do you enjoy insulting peoples' intelligence with such garbage?
YOU ARE GARBAGE

> You are a very transparent pathological liar Alex.
NO, TILLY YOU ARE A RAT NOSED JEWISH LIAR!
>
> femail1...@gmail.com




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:29 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: AL QAEDA'S JEWISH LEADER not
Date: 6 Apr 2007 18:14:26 -0700
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On Apr 6, 8:59 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> >      But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name.
>
> So?
> Do you have a point? Of course not you dunce.
>
> People can have Jewish sounding names and not be Jewish you idiot!!!!

He was Jew before he became a muslim. Here in Florida there are
hundreds of Jewish converts to Islam



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: AL QAEDA'S JEWISH LEADER not
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> After conversion do you still consider them to be rat nosed kikes?

Of course not! But in Pearlman's case he is an impostor, and since AZl
Qaeda has never existed, he is probably paid by CIA




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: EAT SHIT TILLY
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 I HEARD THAT SALAH JAFAR NEEDS A BLOW JOB. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE HIS
BIG BANANA ON?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JENIN MASSACRE, IF YOU CAN STOMACH IT!
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 Jews lie about everything!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: THIS RAT NOSED ZIONAZI WANTS TO START A RACE WAR!
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 I doubt that Al Qaeda has ever existed. One downfall of muslims in
general is the fact that they are not nearly as blood thirst as the
ZioNazis are. But ZioNazi day is coming!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: AL QAEDA'S JEWISH LEADER not
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> Unfortunately this old nazi

DO NOT CALL ANYONE YOU FUCKING RAT NOSED JEW BASTARD, WHEN YOU HAVE NO
IDEA WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO.

is not capable of stirring anyone up to hatred
> ... it is just a tired old man so fixed in his ways and so demented that he
> is just going through the old habitual patterns ...
>
> Plus the fact that almost everyone can see through the demented old fart.
> They have to deliberately pretend he is rational, knowing he is not - to
> believe him and to feel his rage.
>
> Thus they have to be as demented as alex ALREADY for him to convince them
> ...
> Which implies that his arguments do not convince anyone ... the only people
> he can convince are people who are already convinced.
>
> --
> Mordecai!
>
> When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
> When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
> wrong, and reality is Never wrong.




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On Apr 7, 2:13 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> AnonMoos  wrote innews:461692FA.7B8314BA@io.com:
>
> > Adam Gadahn isn't any kind of "leader", but a patsy frontman, who will
> > be dropped by the real leaders of al-Qa`ida any time it suits them...
>
>         If a bomb isn't dropped on him before hand.
>
>         IBM

After six years of trying, they may hit the moon!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:32 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: AL QAEDA'S JEWISH LEADER not
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On Apr 6, 9:40 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 8:59 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > >      But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name.
>
> > > So?
> > > Do you have a point? Of course not you dunce.
>
> > > People can have Jewish sounding names and not be Jewish you
> > > idiot!!!!
>
> > He was Jew before he became a muslim.
>
> LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was never Jewish, his parents aren't  Jewish, he
> isn't Jewish.
> This rubbish about him being Jewish originated from a Muslim student
> website.
> It is blatant Propaganda.
>
> What part of this, written by Adam Gadahn hiself don't you understand
> thicko?
>
> In his own words:
>
> In the Name of Allah, most Compassionate, most Merciful
>
> Becoming Muslim
> Yahiye Adam Gadahn
>
> "My first seventeen years have been a bit different than the youth
> experienced by most Americans. I grew up on an extremely rural goat ranch in
> Western Riverside County, California, where my family raises on average 150
> to 200 animals for milk, cheese, and meat. My father is a halal butcher [a
> butcher who slaughters in an Islamic manner -ed.] and supplies to an Islamic
> Food Mart a few blocks from the Islamic Center in downtown Los Angeles.
>
> My father was raised agnostic or atheist, but he became a believer in One
> God when he picked up a Bible left on the beach. He once had a number of
> Muslim friends, but they've all moved out of California now. My mother was
> raised Catholic, so she leans towards Christianity (although she, like my
> father, disregards the Trinity). I and my siblings were/are home-schooled,
> and as you may know, most home-school families are Christian. In the last 8
> or so years, we have been involved with some home-schooling support groups,
> thus acquainting me with fundamentalist Christianity. It was an eye-opening
> experience. Setting aside the blind dogmatism and charismatic wackiness, it
> was quite a shock to me when I realized that these people, in their prayers,
> were actually praying TO JESUS. You see, I had always believed that Jesus
> (pbuh) was, at the very most, the Son of God (since that is what the Bible
> mistranslates "Servant of God" as). As I learned that belief in the Trinity,
> something I find absolutely ridiculous, is considered by most Christians to
> be a prerequisite for salvation, I gradually realized I could not be a
> Christian.
>
> In the meantime, I had become obsessed with demonic Heavy Metal music,
> something the rest of my family (as I now realize, rightfully so) was not
> happy with. My entire life was focused on expanding my music collection. I
> eschewed personal cleanliness and let my room reach an unbelievable state of
> disarray. My relationship with my parents became strained, although only
> intermittently so. I am sorry even as I write this.
>
> Earlier this year, I began to listen to the apocalyptic ramblings of
> Christian radio's "prophecy experts." Their paranoid espousal of various
> conspiracy theories, rabid support of Israel and religious Zionism, and
> fiery preaching about the "Islamic Threat" held for me a strange
> fascination. Why? Well, I suppose it was simply the need I was feeling to
> fill that void I had created for myself. In any case, I soon found that the
> beliefs these evangelists held, such as Original Sin and the Infallibility
> of "God's Word", were not in agreement with my theological ideas (not to
> mention the Bible) and I began to look for something else to hold onto.
>
> The turning point, perhaps, was when I moved in with my grandparents here in
> Santa Ana, the county seat of Orange, California. My grandmother, a computer
> whiz, is hooked up to America Online and I have been scooting the
> information superhighway since January. But when I moved in, with the intent
>
> of finding a job (easier said than done), I begin to visit the religion
> folders on AOL and the Usenet newsgroups, where I found discussions on Islam
> to be the most intriguing. You see, I discovered that the beliefs and
> practices of this religion fit my personal theology and intellect as well as
> basic human logic. Islam presents God not as an anthropomorphic being but as
> an entity beyond human comprehension, transcendent of man, independant and
> undivided. Islam has a holy book that is comprehensible to a layman, and
> there is no papacy or priesthood that is considered infallible in matters of
> interpretation: all Muslims are free to reflect and interpret the book given
> a sufficient education. Islam does not believe that all men are doomed to
> Hell unless they simply accept that God (apparently unable to forgive
> otherwise) magnanimously allowed Himself to be tortured on a cross to enable
> Him to forgive all human beings who just believe that He allowed Himself to
> be tortured on a cross... Islam does not believe in a Chosen Race. And on
> and on...
>
> As I began reading English translations of the Qur'an, I became more and
> more convinced of the truth and authenticity of Allah's teachings contained
> in those 114 chapters. Having been around Muslims in my formative years, I
> knew well that they were not the bloodthirsty, barbaric terrorists that the
> news media and the televangelists paint them to be. Perhaps this knowledge
> led me to continue my personal research further than another person would
> have. I can't say when I actually decided that Islam was for me. It was
> really a natural progression. In any case, last week [November 1995 -ed.]I
> went to the Islamic Society of Orange County in Garden Grove and told the
> brother in charge of the library I wanted to be a Muslim. He gave me some
> excellent reading material, and last Friday I took Shahada [accepted the
> creed of Islam -ed.]in front of a packed masjid. I have spent this week
> learning to perform Salat and reflecting on the greatness of Allah. It feels
> great to be a Muslim! Subhaana rabbiyal 'azeem!"
>
> Here in Florida there are
>
> > hundreds of Jewish converts to Islam
>
> LIAR.

LIAR YOURSELF!
>
> What part of this dpon't you understand.
>
> --
> femail1...@gmail.com




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US jets bomb Iraq's Diwaniyah city
The military say the operation is intended to disrupt militia activity
and return control of the city [AFP]

US aircraft have raided Iraq's central city of Diwaniyah as clashes
between armed groups and security forces continued for a second
straight day.

An Iraqi army source said US jets bombed houses in the al-Jhumuriyah
district of the city, a stronghold of Muqtada al-Sadr, the leader of
the Mahdi army.

There was no information of casualties in Saturday's offensive.

Local police were warned to stay inside and unarmed during the
operation, 120km south of Baghdad.

The raids come ahead of demonsrations by supporters of al-Sadr planned
for Monday to mark four years since the fall of Baghdad.

The US military said air support was called in by the Iraqi army
following the "positive identification of ... illegally armed militia
men using shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenades".



Battle for Baghdad



The Iraqi military source said clashes were pitting Iraqi and US
forces against armed men in Diwaniyah's Salim Street and southern
areas of the city including the Nahda and Wahda districts.



One civilian is reported to have been killed and five others wounded
in the fighting.



A curfew continued in Diwaniyah for a second day and hospitals were
calling in doctors to report for duty, the Iraqi army source added.



US-backed Iraqi forces swept through the city on Friday, arresting
nearly 30 people and killing three fighters as part of the crackdown
aimed at Shia groups.



The military said the operation was intended to disrupt militia
activity and return control of the city south of Baghdad to the
government.



Over the past year, Diwaniyah has seen repeated clashes between the
security forces and Shia militias.



Last August, nearly two dozen Iraqi soldiers and dozens of militiamen
were killed in the deadliest bout of fighting.



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On Apr 7, 11:30 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Actually they did Alex burn the music shop.
>
> aliban burn music shops in Khost
>
> KHOST: Taliban torched or damaged nearly two dozen music and video shops
> selling
So? What's wrong with that?



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KATSAS AND SAYANIA, THE BIGGEST DANGER TO THE WORLD TODAY

Mossad Local Assistants or Sayanim Operating In
Western Countries

[Extracted from book "By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky]

http://home.att.net/~kimmel_a/jack_barbara/iraq.h4.jpg
Sayanims ... Everyday Jews that watch you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC-PnQ3iVaZE
Former Mossad on Jewish loyalties

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYXwuOAL5yEE
Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky explains the collusion between
ADL of B'nai B'rith and Mossad.
Note: The "Pete" referred to is former U.S. Congressman Paul "Pete"
McCloskey.

Alan's lecture was followed by one on technical cooperation between
agencies, in which we learned that the Mossad had the best capability
of all for cracking locks. Various lock manufacturers in Great
Britain, for example, would send new mechanisms to British
intelligence for security testing; they in turn sent them on to the
Mossad for analysis. The procedure was for our people to analyze it,
figure out how to open it, then send it back with a report that it's
"impregnable".

After lunch that day, Dov L. took the class out to the parking lot
where seven white Ford Escorts were parked. On Israel, most Mossad,
Shaback, and police cars are white, although the head of Mossad then
drove a burgundy Lincoln Town Car). The idea was to learn how to
detect if you were being followed by a car. It's something you
practice again and again. There's no such thing as you see in the
movies or read in books about little hairs on the back of your neck
standing up and telling you somebody is behind you. It's something you
learn only by practice, and more practice.

Each night when we went home, and each day when we left home for
school, it was still our responsibility to make sure we weren't being
followed.

The next day Ran S. delivered a lecture on the sayanim, a unique and
important part of the Mossad's operation. Sayanim assistants must be
100% Jewish. They live abroad, and though they are not Israeli
citizens, many are reached through their relatives in Israel. An
Israeli with a relative in England, for example, might be asked to
write a letter saying the person bearing the letter represents an
organization whose main goal is to help save Jewish people in the
diaspora. Could the British relative help in any way?

There are thousands of sayanim around the world. In London alone,
there are about 2000 who are active, and another 5000 on the list.

They fulfill many different roles:

* A car sayan, for example, running a rental agency, could help the
Mossad rent a car without having to complete the usual documentation.

* An apartment sayan would find accommodation without raising
suspicions.

* A bank sayan could get you money if you needed it in the middle of
the night.

* A doctor sayan would treat a bullet wound without reporting it to
the police, and so on.

The idea is to have a pool of people available when needed who can
provide services but will keep quiet about them out of loyalty to the
cause. They are paid only costs. Often the loyalty of sayanim is
abused by katsas who take advantage of the available help for their
own personal use. There is no way for the sayan to check this.

One thing you know for sure is that even if a Jewish person knows it
is the Mossad, he might not agree to work with you, but he won't turn
you in. You have at your disposal a non-risk recruitment system that
actually gives you a pool of "millions" of Jewish people to tap from
outside your own borders.

It's much easier to operate with what is available on the spot, and
sayanim offer incredible practical support everywhere. But they are
never put at risk nor are they privy to classified information.

Suppose during an operation a katsa suddenly had to come up with an
electronics store as a cover. A call to a sayan in that business could
bring 50 television sets, 200 VCRs, whatever was needed from his
warehouse to your building, and in next to no time, you'd have a store
with 3 or 4 million dollars worth of stock in it.

Since most Mossad activity is in Europe, it may be preferable to have
a business address in North America. So, there are address sayanim and
telephone sayanim. If a katsa has to give out an address or a phone
number, he can use the sayan's. And if the sayan gets a letter or a
phone call, he will know immediately how to proceed. Some business
sayanim have a bank of 20 operators answering phones, typing letters,
faxing messages, all a front for the Mossad.

The joke is that 60% of the business of those telephone answering
companies in Europe comes from the Mossad. They'd fold otherwise.

The one problem with the system is that the Mossad does seem to care
how devastating it could be to the status of the jewish people in the
diaspora if it was known. Then you get to ask: "So what's the worst
that could happen to those Jews? they'd all come to Israel - Great".

Katsas in the stations are in charge of the sayanim, and most active
sayanim will be visited by a katsa once every three months or so,
which for the katsa usually means between two and four face to face
meetings a day with sayanim, along with numerous telephone
conversations. The system allows the Mossad to work with a skeleton
staff. That's why, for example, a KGB station would employ about 100
people, while a comparable Mossad station would need only six or
seven.

People make the mistake of thinking the Mossad is at a disadvantage by
not having stations in obvious target countries. The United States,
for example, has a station in Moscow and the Russians have stations in
Washington and New York. But Israel doesn't have a station in
Damascus.

They don't understand that the Mossad regards the whole world outside
Israel as a target, including Europe and the United States.

Most of the Arab countries don't manufacture their own weapons. Most
don't have high level military colleges, for example. If you want to
recruit a Syrian diplomat, you don't have to do that in Damascus. You
can do it in Paris. If you want data on an Arab missile, you get that
in Paris or London or the United States where it is made.

You can get less information on Saudi Arabia from the Saudis
themselves than you can from the Americans. What do the Saudis have?
AWACs. Those are Boeing, and Boeing's American. What do you need the
Saudis for?

The total recruitment in Saudi Arabia during my time with the
Institute was one attach=E9 in the Japanese embassy. That was it.

And if you want to get to the senior officers, they study in England
or the United States. Their pilots train in England, France, and the
United States. Their commandos train in Italy and France. You can
recruit them there. It's easier and it's less dangerous.

Ran S. also taught his class about "white agents", individuals being
recruited, either by covert or direct means, who may or may not know
they're working for Israel. They are always non-Arabs and usually more
sophisticated in local knowledge.

The prejudice in Israel is that Arabs don't understand technical
things. It shows itself in jokes, like the one about the man selling
Arab brains for $150 a pound and Jewish brains for $2 a pound. Asked
why the Arab brain was so expensive, he says, "Because it's hardly
been used". A widely held perception of Arabs in Israel.

White agents are usually less risky to deal with than "black", or
Arab, agents. For one thing, Arabs working abroad are very likely to
be subjected to security by Arab intelligence and if they catch you
working with one as a black agent, they'll want to kill you. The worst
that would happen to a Mossad katsa caught working with a white agent
in France is deportation. But the white agent himself could be charged
with treason. You do everything you can to protect him, but the main
danger is to him. If you're working with an Arab, both of you are in
danger.

While our classes at the Academy went on, exercises outside with cars
continued apace. We learned a technique called maulter, the unplanned
use of a car in
detecting, or, improvised following. If you have to drive in an area
you're unfamiliar with, and you have no preplanned route, there's a
series of procedures, turning left then right, moving, stopping, and
so on to follow, mainly to eliminate coincidence and make certain
whether or not you are being followed. We were also frequently
reminded that we were not "bolted" to our cars. If we thought we were
being followed, but couldn't verify it completely, it might be wise to
park, venture out on foot, and take it from there.

Another lecture, by a katsa named Rabitz, explained the Israel
Station, or local station, which handles Cyprus, Egypt, Greece, and
Turkey. Its katsas are called "hoppers" or "jumpers", because they
work out of Tel Aviv headquarters. They recruit by hopping back and
forth for a few days at a time, to operate the agents and the Sayanim.
All these countries are dangerous to operate in because their
governments tend to be pro-PLO.

The Israel station is not a popular assignment for katsas. During his
lecture on the subject, Ran S. dumped on it. Ironically, he was later
appointed its head.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=3D&Board=3Dnews_internationa...

Confessions of an ex-Mossad agent: "Victor Ostrovsky"
http://www.eaec.org/dove/dove1990aw/Victor%20Ostrovsky.jpg

Excerpt from Victor Ostrovsky's, "By way of deception" (1990).
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0971759502?v=3Dglance

Victor Ostrovsky's website
http://www.victorostrovsky.com/the_man.html

Operation Trojan
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deception.html

I was there when the Americans bombed
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iwasthere.html

Sayanim", volunteer spies for Israel
http://judicial-inc.biz/Sayanim.htm

Victor Ostrovsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Way_of_Deception



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On Apr 8, 2:18 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Excellent news!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Sheik up as mufti axed and role is abolished..
>
> Taghred Chandab
> April 8, 2007
>
> CONTROVERSIAL Muslim leader Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly has been sacked by
> the peak Islamic body and the role of mufti has been abolished.
>
> The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (AFIC), which employed the
> mufti for more than 15 years, has severed all ties with him.
>
> But the sheik has retaliated by registering the title of mufti for himself
> and has vowed to carry on speaking on behalf of the Muslim community - even
> though no organisation wants him to represent them.
>
> The move comes as the Australian Federal Police widens its probe into
> allegations that the sheik gave charity funds to supporters of the al-Qaeda
> and Hezbollah terrorist groups.

You mean to Adam Pearlman? Somebody  has to feed the poor bastard in
the cave of Baluchistan. Unless of course Jewish National Congress
decides to do it instead!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: April 8
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 Vermin Mc vay lies all the time. There were at least 150,000 full
Jews serving in the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe, many of them received
medals for bravery from Adolf Hitler one of these is General Milch of
the SS!

When Nazis were giving up the ghost, in Srem in 1944, they used to run
towards us with their hands up yelling "ich bin doch eine Jude!"



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Australian mufti axed !!!!!
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On Apr 8, 3:08 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Heinrich wrote:
> > "Tilly"  schreef in bericht
> >news:eva3a6$c6d$1@aioe.org...
> > > Tilly wrote:
> > > > Excellent news!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > Sheik up as mufti axed and role is abolished..
> >  how are things going in new zealand with those muslims? you hear
> > hardly anything about their misbehaving in the internatiopnal press
> > and that is why i am a little bit curious about their behaving at
> > yours. the idea of being surrounded by 60 million or so sheep must be
> > a tempting idea for those people.
>
> Most of them are doing well.
> They had some problems with Islamists at the Christchurch mosque and school
> , they weren't teaching the compulsasry curriculum and spent most of the day
> teaching the Koran.
> The Education Dept appointed a non Muslim director of the school.
> Some Somali immigrants have been in trouble with the law-they resist NZ laws
> . Somestic abuse is qnot uncommon and lately they have been saying they want
> female circumcision to be permitted here. (It will never happen).
> Albanian immigrants are into thieving, they work in small organised gangs of
> pick-pockets and credit card fraud..
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

AND JEWS STEAL FROM EVERYONE! MOSTLY BY GOUGING MONEY FROM PEOPLE WHO
BORROW FROM THEM!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 Since its first issue in 1945, COMMENTARY has published hundreds of
articles about Jews and Judaism. As one would expect, they cover just
about every important aspect of the topic. But there is a lacuna, and
not one involving some obscure bit of Judaica. COMMENTARY has never
published a systematic discussion of one of the most obvious topics of
all: the extravagant overrepresentation of Jews, relative to their
numbers, in the top ranks of the arts, sciences, law, medicine,
finance, entrepreneurship, and the media.

I have personal experience with the reluctance of Jews to talk about
Jewish accomplishment-my co-author, the late Richard Herrnstein,
gently resisted the paragraphs on Jewish IQ that I insisted on putting
in The Bell Curve (1994). Both history and the contemporary revival of
anti-Semitism in Europe make it easy to understand the reasons for
that reluctance. But Jewish accomplishment constitutes a fascinating
and important story. Recent scholarship is expanding our understanding
of its origins.

And so this Scots-Irish Gentile from Iowa hereby undertakes to tell
the story. I cover three topics: the timing and nature of Jewish
accomplishment, focusing on the arts and sciences; elevated Jewish IQ
as an explanation for that accomplishment; and current theories about
how the Jews acquired their elevated IQ.

_____________

>From 800 B.C.E. through the first millennium of the Common Era, we
have just two examples of great Jewish accomplishment, and neither
falls strictly within the realms of the arts or sciences. But what a
pair they are. The first is the fully realized conceptualization of
monotheism, expressed through one of the literary treasures of the
world, the Hebrew Bible. It not only laid the foundation for three
great religions but, as Thomas Cahill describes in The Gifts of the
Jews (1998), introduced a way of looking at the meaning of human life
and the nature of history that defines core elements of the modern
sensibility. The second achievement is not often treated as a Jewish
one but clearly is: Christian theology expressed through the New
Testament, an accomplishment that has spilled into every aspect of
Western civilization.

But religious literature is the exception. The Jews do not appear in
the annals of philosophy, drama, visual art, mathematics, or the
natural sciences during the eighteen centuries from the time of Homer
through the first millennium C.E., when so much was happening in
Greece, China, and South Asia. It is unclear to what extent this
reflects a lack of activity or the lack of a readily available record.
For example, only a handful of the scientists of the Middle Ages are
mentioned in most histories of science, and none was a Jew. But when
George Sarton put a high-powered lens to the Middle Ages in his
monumental Introduction to the History of Science (1927-48), he found
that 95 of the 626 known scientists working everywhere in the world
>from 1150 to 1300 were Jews-15 percent of the total, far out of
proportion to the Jewish population.

As it happens, that same period overlaps with the life of the most
famous Jewish philosopher of medieval times, Maimonides (1135-1204),
and of others less well known, not to mention the Jewish poets,
grammarians, religious thinkers, scholars, physicians, and courtiers
of Spain in the "Golden Age," or the brilliant exegetes and rabbinical
legislators of northern France and Germany. But this only exemplifies
the difficulty of assessing Jewish intellectual activity in that
period. Aside from Maimonides and a few others, these thinkers and
artists did not perceptibly influence history or culture outside the
confines of the Jewish world.

Generally speaking, this remained the case well into the Renaissance
and beyond. When writing a book called Human Accomplishment (2003), I
compiled inventories of "significant figures" in the arts and
sciences, defined as people who are mentioned in at least half of the
major histories of their respective fields. From 1200 to 1800, only
seven Jews are among those significant figures, and only two were
important enough to have names that are still widely recognized:
Spinoza and Montaigne (whose mother was Jewish).

_____________

The sparse representation of Jews during the flowering of the European
arts and sciences is not hard to explain. They were systematically
excluded, both by legal restrictions on the occupations they could
enter and by savage social discrimination. Then came legal
emancipation, beginning in the late 1700's in a few countries and
completed in Western Europe by the 1870's, and with it one of the most
extraordinary stories of any ethnic group at any point in human
history.

As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to
grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the
arts and sciences. During the four decades from 1830 to 1870, when the
first Jews to live under emancipation reached their forties, 16
significant Jewish figures appear. In the next four decades, from 1870
to 1910, the number jumps to 40. During the next four decades, 1910-
1950, despite the contemporaneous devastation of European Jewry, the
number of significant figures almost triples, to 114.

To get a sense of the density of accomplishment these numbers
represent, I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had
been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the
actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected
given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American
population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was
four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the
visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six
times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In
philosophy, fourteen times.

Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences
continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other
measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In
the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing
social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world,
despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust,
Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics,
and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when
Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world,
that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has
been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of
the world's population. You do the math.

_____________

What accounts for this remarkable record? A full answer must call on
many characteristics of Jewish culture, but intelligence has to be at
the center of the answer. Jews have been found to have an unusually
high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish
samples were tested. (The widely repeated story that Jewish immigrants
to this country in the early 20th century tested low on IQ is a
canard.) Exactly how high has been difficult to pin down, because
Jewish sub-samples in the available surveys are seldom perfectly
representative. But it is currently accepted that the mean is
somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible
compromise.

The IQ mean for the American population is "normed" to be 100, with a
standard deviation of 15. If the Jewish mean is 110, then the
mathematics of the normal distribution says that the average Jew is at
the 75th percentile. Underlying that mean in overall IQ is a
consistent pattern on IQ subtests: Jews are only about average on the
subtests measuring visuo-spatial skills, but extremely high on
subtests that measure verbal and reasoning skills.

A group's mean intelligence is important in explaining outcomes such
as mean educational attainment or mean income. The key indicator for
predicting exceptional accomplishment (like winning a Nobel Prize) is
the incidence of exceptional intelligence. Consider an IQ score of 140
or higher, denoting the level of intelligence that can permit people
to excel in fields like theoretical physics and pure mathematics. If
the mean Jewish IQ is 110 and the standard deviation is 15, then the
proportion of Jews with IQ's of 140 or higher is somewhere around six
times the proportion of everyone else.

The imbalance continues to increase for still higher IQ's. New York
City's public-school system used to administer a pencil-and-paper IQ
test to its entire school population. In 1954, a psychologist used
those test results to identify all 28 children in the New York public-
school system with measured IQ's of 170 or higher. Of those 28, 24
were Jews.

Exceptional intelligence is not enough to explain exceptional
accomplishment. Qualities such as imagination, ambition, perseverance,
and curiosity are decisive in separating the merely smart from the
highly productive. The role of intelligence is nicely expressed in an
analogy suggested to me years ago by the sociologist Steven Goldberg:
intelligence plays the same role in an intellectually demanding task
that weight plays in the performance of NFL offensive tackles. The
heaviest offensive tackle is not necessarily the best. Indeed, the
correlation between weight and performance among NFL offensive tackles
is probably quite low. But they all weigh more than 300 pounds.

So with intelligence. The other things count, but you must be very
smart to have even a chance of achieving great work. A randomly
selected Jew has a higher probability of possessing that level of
intelligence than a randomly selected member of any other ethnic or
national group, by far.

_____________



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On Apr 8, 8:57 pm, "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
> Liberal MPs work to change UN voting pattern on Israel,
> By RON CSILLAG, Canadian Jewish News, October 28, 2004
> "Influential Liberal members of Parliament, including potentially seven
> cabinet ministers, promise to redouble their efforts to change Canada's
> voting pattern on Israel at the United Nations, says one MP who co-chairs a
> pro-Israel caucus. Liberal Parliamentarians for Israel, composed of up to 18
> MPs, including several members of cabinet, launched its work Oct. 18 in
> Canada's new minority government. High on the agenda is "the need to alter
> Canadian votes at the United Nations General Assembly," says a caucus
> statement. "We've looked at a large number of [UN] votes and Israel has been
> the only country to be singled out. We want a more balanced approach at the
> UN," said Winnipeg Liberal MP Anita Neville, who returns as caucus co-chair,
> along with new co-chair Senator David Smith. Neville was original co-chair
> of the group with former MP and cabinet member Art Eggleton. The caucus is
> not to be confused with the Canada-Israel Parliamentary Friendship Group, an
> all-party entity designed to bring together MPs from across the political
> spectrum to demonstrate non-partisan support for Israel. Liberal
> Parliamentarians for Israel has not fully gelled yet, but Neville told The
> CJN it will comprise from 15 to 18 members, including at least five cabinet
> ministers. They are Justice Minister Irwin Cotler; Joe Volpe, minister of
> human resources and skills development; Stephen Owen, minister of western
> economic diversification; Public Health Minister Carolyn Bennett; and Jim
> Peterson, minister of international trade. All have significant Jewish
> constituencies. Presumably, the list will include two other Jewish members
> of cabinet, as well as Senator Jack Austin, leader of the government in the
> Senate, and Jacques Saada, minister responsible for the Francophonie, an
> association of French-speaking countries. Lucienne Robillard, minister of
> intergovernmental affairs, was a member in the last Parliament. It's not
> known whether she will return. While the presence of a half-dozen or so
> cabinet ministers with strong support for Israel might seem like a victory,
> it's been pointed out that cabinet ministers are, by tradition, forbidden
> from speaking out against government policy or even advocating change
> outside of the secrecy of cabinet meetings, and are bound by cabinet
> solidarity. An official caucus committee, Liberal Parliamentarians for
> Israel was founded in early 2003 to sway what some lawmakers and many Jewish
> Canadians felt was Canada's increasingly cold relations with Israel,
> especially when it came to this country's voting record at the UN ... The
> issue has long been a sore point in the Jewish community. Many still angrily
> recall Canada's support in 2000 for UN Resolution 1322, which condemned
> Israel for using excessive force in putting down Palestinian violence. Also
> bedevilling many in the community is the number of Canadian abstentions at
> the UN on Arab-sponsored anti-Israel measures. This summer, Canada opted for
> neutrality on a vote that called on Israel to comply with demands to
> dismantle its security fence. Canada has traditionally defended its
> abstentions as a reflection of its role as a neutral broker in the Middle
> East dispute ... Neville, who is Jewish, said her group is not out to make
> Canada's Middle East policy one-sided, but to ensure fairness ... Neville
> was one of 15 MPs and senators to submit a report to the Department of
> Foreign Affairs last year, imploring Canada to "improve and refresh" its
> Mideast policy, in effect shifting to a more pro-Israel stance. Among the
> key recommendations of the 25-page report was that Canada should sign a
> comprehensive "friendship agreement" with Israel that would strengthen
> Canadian-Israeli links "in virtually all aspects of society and government'
> ... Neville pointed out that Israel is the only country outside North
> America to have a free trade deal with Canada, one that generates just under
> $1 billion in two-way trade a year ... A third priority for the caucus is to
> explore ways in which government efforts at combatting racism could be
> strengthened. Neville said the group hopes to build on the wide-ranging
> anti-racism education initiative unveiled by Cotler earlier this year ...
> The allegation that government officials are favouring Israel of late
> surfaced earlier this month, involving an unlikely target: NDP leader Jack
> Layton, considered a friend by many Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians. Layton
> was forced on the defensive after the publicization of a letter to him from
> Mississauga lawyer Arif Raza, who wrote, "We have been deeply hurt and
> angered by this sudden lurch towards Israel." The letter was signed by 26
> other party supporters who accused Layton of falling under the "undue
> influence" of the Canadian Jewish Congress, causing the NDP to stifle its
> criticism of Israeli policies."


Piere Eliot Trudeau never thought much about the ZioNazi state of
Israel. He is the father of the Canadian departure politics from the
pro ZioNazi stance.
Pierre was born in Montreal, amongst millions of Jews of the Orthodox
deternimantion, who opposed the state of Israel, and refused to make
contributions to the coffers of that fascist state. No wonder
progressive Liberals see it Trudeaus way



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 SAYANIM!
WHO ARE THEY?
AND HOW DO THEY GET TO THE TOP?

http://judicial-inc.biz/Sayanim.htm



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 SAYANIM
WHO ARE THEY?
AND HOW DO THEY GET TO THE TOP?

http://judicial-inc.biz/Sayanim.htm



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:41 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The View Of America From Around The World
Date: 8 Apr 2007 18:50:22 -0700
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On Apr 8, 2:45 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1176008018.726392.32...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > How many
> > Americans speak more than one language fluently?
>
> Tens to possibly a hundred million.
>

FUCK YEAH! MOST AMERICANS NEED AN INTERPRETER WHEN VISITING NEW YORK!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The View Of America From Around The World
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On Apr 8, 3:30 am, "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.20833aadb4069b48989d6c@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> > In article <1176008018.726392.32...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com says...
> >> How many
> >> Americans speak more than one language fluently?
>
> > Tens to possibly a hundred million.
>
> What a load of b'ollocks.
>
>
 Of course it is. Most Americans from Kalamazoo need an interpreter in
Savanah Georgia



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:41 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: THIS IS HOLOCAUST YOU FUCKING PIG MCVAY!
Date: 8 Apr 2007 22:02:25 -0700
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 FALLUJAH WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, AND THE RUBBLE IS STILL POUNDED
TODAY WITH 2,000 POUND BOMBS AND NAPALM, BUT GEROIC FALLUJAH LIVES AND
FIGHTS BACK WITH ALL ITS MIGHT

As two roadside bomb attacks wrecked havoc near Fallujah late Friday,
and another in Amriyat al-Fallujah, the Islamic State of Iraq released
detailed reports of four American vehicles and a mine sweeper they
destroyed and tallied a host of operations their Mujahideen carried
out recently in and around Fallujah.

The defiant city in the Sunni heartland and now included in the
environs of the Islamic State of Iraq continues to resist the
Americans that some fear will result in a Fallujah "3". Indeed, while
local resistance is strong, the Americans have much bigger problems on
their hands with the Islamic State tallying over 900 operations in its
semi-monthly report released today.

Sending more young Americans as cannon fodder to Iraq will not improve
their chances of victory. Not only has the jihad reached maturity
within the country but the unity that the newly formed Islamic State
is providing has the enemies of Islam promoting "division in the
ranks" which is absolute rubbish in actual fact. While the Islamic
State does not support national fighting groups, it likewise does not
serve them u to the Americans. Instead, the State offers a safe haven
for Sunnis who are now living a Palestinian life inside their once
flourishing country.

That said, Fallujah remains an important part of the battle as the
Islamic State of Iraq validates in the two reports issued yesterday,
published here uncut and uncensored, as translated by JUS.

We remind our viewers that the opinions and points of view expressed
in this statement are those of the author and shall not be deemed to
mean that they are necessarily those of JUS, the publisher, editor,
writers, contributors or staff.

The Islamic State Of Iraq Destroys Four Cross Worshipper Vehicles And
A Minesweeper In Amriyat Al-Fallujah

In The Name Of Allah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful

All praise be to Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds.
Peace and prayer be upon our prophet, Muhammad, his family, and his
companions.

On Friday March 30, 2007, the soldiers of the Islamic State of Iraq
engage in fierce battled with the cross worshippers in Amriyat al-
Felloudja included in al-Anbar province. Using various types of light
and heavy weapons, the Mujahideen completely destroyed four cross
worshipper Humvees vehicles and a minesweeper, killing all those on
board, all praise and gratitude be to Allah.

This operations was part of the Al-Karama (Honor) Expedition, declared
by Sheikh Abu Omar Al-Baghdadi, Amir of the Islamic State of Iraq, may
Allah protect him.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:42 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Three Greatest Lies Ever Told
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 Why would God give Palestine to the Russians, when Palestinians have
been there since day one?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Three Greatest Lies Ever Told
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On Apr 9, 8:54 am, AnonMoos  wrote:
> Daniel Bernard  wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:54:02 +1000, "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> There goes Daniel Bernard fraternizing with one of his good buddies
> among the racist hate-bigots again.

Nobody is more racist than a fucking Jew. Imus and Rosenberg the
morning talk show hosts called black ladies basketball players "HOS",
the Jew scum shou ld be kicked out of the country together with his
phony cowboy pretend outfit.

Each one of those black basketball players has more intellect and
education in their small finger than Imus and Rosenberg have put
together



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:43 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: The Israel Lobby - A Daner to the World _ Dutch Video on Google
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 ISAY DAVIDOVITCH BERG, THE GREAT JEWISH INVENTOR

"The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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 THE GREAT JEWISH INVENTOR

"The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:44 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: SAVE AMERICA FROM THE BLOODY JEW!
Date: 9 Apr 2007 14:15:50 -0700
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LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THIS GREAT LAND:

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-5150749836273151943&q=The+Israel+Lobby



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On Apr 9, 5:24 pm, "depressedforeason" 
wrote:
> democracy! imagine that! feeling insecure today? Killing people because your
> religion isn't ruling everywhere?

That is exactly what US and the Jews are doing! Any other questions?

Get over it nazi...
LISTEN SCUM, I HAVE FOUGHT THE NAZIS UNLIKE THE PRESIDENT'S GRNPAPPY
WHO FINANCED THEM!

its too bad I have to
> give to the Arab blood suckers who fuel my car."
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ! YOU CAN ALWAYS WALK, IT IS CHEAPER AND GOOD FOR
YOUR RAT NOSE!

Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176153350.245723.238010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THIS GREAT LAND:
>
> >http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-5150749836273151943&q=The...




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: SAVE AMERICA FROM THE BLOODY JEW!
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On Apr 9, 5:31 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:24 pm, "depressedforeason" 
> wrote:
>
> > democracy! imagine that! feeling insecure today? Killing people because your
> > religion isn't ruling everywhere? Get over it nazi... its too bad I have to
> > give to the Arab blood suckers who fuel my car
>
> Don't mind Alex, he is just your garden variety netk00k.

THERE IS LOTS MORE OF US THAN YOU SCUM!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: I find this most interesting
Date: 9 Apr 2007 16:09:56 -0700
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On Apr 9, 5:10 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> When trying to search for Syrian, Egyptian or Jordanian technology,
> the first two just don't exist. Jordan was the only country that I
> found stuff that was worth looking at. And even though it was MINIMAL
> (it came from Jordan university), it was still well done. Minus
> Israel, if I had to live in the M.E., I think I would choose Jordan.
> It is like the other countries are not even trying.

It is a muslim country you stupid uncivilized arseholes, one thing
Arabs do not tolerate is comlete ignoramuses like yourself. The
biggest manufacturers of Russian armaments in the world outside Russia
are Egyptians. Helwan plants make anything from a rocket to
Kalashnikov and to the PPS submachineguns



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: I find this most interesting
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On Apr 9, 5:52 pm, sabbatai zevi  wrote:
> DoD wrote:
> > When trying to search for Syrian, Egyptian or Jordanian technology,
> > the first two just don't exist. Jordan was the only country that I
> > found stuff that was worth looking at. And even though it was MINIMAL
> > (it came from Jordan university), it was still well done. Minus
> > Israel, if I had to live in the M.E., I think I would choose Jordan.
> > It is like the other countries are not even trying.
>
> > I think the scarve is optional there AFAICT by this picture with some
> > serious hotties in it....
> >http://www.just.edu.jo/academics/medi/images/med.jpg
>
>     Re Syria have you ever heard of Damascus steel ?
>     S.

he is too stupid  to know anything about anything




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: SAVE AMERICA FROM THE BLOODY SERB!
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On Apr 9, 6:50 pm, AnonMoos  wrote:
> Send Serbian Muslim racist hate bigots back to Serbia!

how about sucking serbian cock you stupid jew cocksucker



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 IF EVERYTHING ELSE FAILS, I WILL PHONE MY FRIEND ON LASQUETE TO COME
AND VISIT YOU TO GIVE YOU A GOOD MASSAGE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Stalin's Jews
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On Apr 9, 7:15 pm, "Whip"  wrote:
> Stalin's Jewshttp://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview...
>
> We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were
> Jewish
> Sever Plocker
>
> Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between
> the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution
> and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The
> All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and
> Sabotage, also known as Cheka.
>
> Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state
> security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few
> years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to
> KGB.
>
> We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for
> in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million,
> including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges,
> expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.
>
> Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic
> minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals,
> artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined
> completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.
>
> In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall
> Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its
> children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution.
> In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin
> writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed
> internally.
>
> Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds
> without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel
> interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many
> bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were
> deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher
> certificate.
>
> All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the
> former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened to the public.
> But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been
> brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The
> Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could
> it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the
> Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.
>
> And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever
> hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th
> Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the
> NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is
> responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish
> deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer
> viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as
> chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."
>
> Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his
> Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore
> writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing
> machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young
> Jewish women.
>
> Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central
> Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as
> the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an
> unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi
> horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.
>
> Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have
> blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid
> Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief
> interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.
>
> In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding
> the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish
> origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.
> In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr.
> Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder,"
> "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when
> they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers,
> among the greatest known by modern history.
>
> The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet
> Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as
> Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore,
> we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to
> do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it
> unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people
> when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he
> does amazingly despicable things.
>
> Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who
> served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment.
> After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

You hit the nail on the head there pal. That is why in today's Russia
Jews keep very low profile and don't walk down Arbat wearing the Jew
kippa!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 9, 8:55 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176157108.546703.269470@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 9, 5:31 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> On Apr 9, 4:24 pm, "depressedforeason" 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > democracy! imagine that! feeling insecure today? Killing people because
> >> > your
> >> > religion isn't ruling everywhere? Get over it nazi... its too bad I
> >> > have to
> >> > give to the Arab blood suckers who fuel my car
>
> >> Don't mind Alex, he is just your garden variety netk00k.
>
> > THERE IS LOTS MORE OF US THAN YOU SCUM!
>
> If true, God help us all.

ALLAHU AKBAR!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: IMUS AND ROSENBERG THE RACIST JEWISH PIGS
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On Apr 9, 7:03 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Imus called black basketball players, young girls 17 to 21 years of
> > age "HOS"!
>
> > This Jewish scum
>
> He isn't Jewish moron!

YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THE FUCK HE IS, TWAT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: SAVE AMERICA FROM THE BLOODY JEW!
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On Apr 9, 9:38 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176168569.428200.177180@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 8:55 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1176157108.546703.269470@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Apr 9, 5:31 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> >> On Apr 9, 4:24 pm, "depressedforeason" 
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > democracy! imagine that! feeling insecure today? Killing people
> >> >> > because
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > religion isn't ruling everywhere? Get over it nazi... its too bad I
> >> >> > have to
> >> >> > give to the Arab blood suckers who fuel my car
>
> >> >> Don't mind Alex, he is just your garden variety netk00k.
>
> >> > THERE IS LOTS MORE OF US THAN YOU SCUM!
>
> >> If true, God help us all.
>
> > ALLAHU AKBAR!
>
> Are you now gonna go lop off someones head?

I WILL PISS IN YOUR STUPID IDIOTIC TRAP!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 10, 1:48 am, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2:31 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 9, 4:24 pm, "depressedforeason" 
>
>   Judge Judy - isn't she that ugly jewess who
>   didn't make enough money as a judge so she got
>   someone, a jew no doubt, to get her a job as a
>   T.V. Judge? They never have enough do they.
>   One would think that after her retirement she
>   would have spent her time with her family and
>   taken a world cruise, but noooooooooooooooo
>   gotta get on T.V. and make another few millions.
>   Will they *never* change.

With Jew it is all about money. They do not give a darn how many
people die or suffer as long as they make a buck



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 9, 9:06 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > Bugger all, if any, I would think. The yids don't like schvartzes.
> > They spit on 'em.
>
> What a load of racist claptrap.
>
> "Blacks and Jews in the United States were generally close allies
>  throughout the period of the civil rights movement. Since the mid-1960s,
>  conflict has erupted between the two.
> Black Muslims have been particularly  virulent in their attacks on Jews and
> Judaism,

I WONDER WHY? DO YOU KNOW?  MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE JEWS WERE VERY GOOD TO
THEM WHEN THEY SOLD THEM INTO SLAVERY



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 10, 1:08 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176180772.075363.262850@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 9, 4:17 pm, Kim Bebbington 
> > wrote:
> >  I am an expert on *all* of The Bible including
> >  Numbers.
>
> You are not an expert on anything but racism.
>
> >  I know a great deal about a great many things
>
> That is a laugh.
>
> >  I also  know how jews feel when their offspring marry
> >  out.
>
> Which is funny, since you didn't say how you would feel about your offspring
> marrying out of your race. But we all know the answer to that, so why would
> you bitch about a Jew having the same feelings that you would have?
>
> We all know you are a hypocrite. You never did answer what I posted to you
> about Benny Hill.
>
> You are a disgusting female.... If you really are a female.


You are a disgustion Croatian idiot who knows nothing about anything
except to kiss Jew butt at every opportunity. The lady knows what she
is talking about. Moses lived in about 800BC, and Jews claim that
Abraham was a Jew even though he lived almost 2,000 years earlier than
Moses



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 10, 1:19 am, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
> On Apr 8, 6:35 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > > "Tilly"  wrote in message
> > >news:evc324$7gf$1@aioe.org...
> > > > Boedi...@isp.comwrote:
> > > > . Did any of *your* children marry
> > > > >  out of their race and if they did would you hold a mock funeral
> > > > >  for them as the jew is wont to do.
>
> > > > My duaghter's aprtner is a Kenyan Jew- very black and one of the
> > > > nicest people you could ever meet..
>
> > > He's either Kenyan or a jew. Can't be both. Perhaps he's an adherent
> > > of the religion of Judaism, but a jew he ain't.
>
> > His family have been Jewish for generations.
> > You don't get a say in who is Jewish or not Jewish.
>
>   So  who does decide who is a jew?  Either one is born a jew or one
> is not. One can be half jew
>  like Michael Landon and Peter Sellers e.g.
>   but *that* has nothing to do with religion.
>   Disraeli was born a jew but was converted to
>   C. of E. Does that mean he was never a jew?
>   According to Disraeli he was indeed a jew.
>   You lot need to make up your minds, you keep
>   changing them by the hour.
>
>   Disraeli - jew or not jew?
>
> > Next........
>
> > Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com


I know who decides who i9s a Jew! IMUS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED
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On Apr 8, 1:17 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Cazador wrote:
> > So, you have a list of twenty Jewish guys who worked in the Marxist/
> > Leninist killing fields.They were murderers. Therefore "Jewish
> > Commissars killed more people than were killed in all the wars
> > combined." If this were true then Russians and other nationalities
> > would have been denied the right to kill anyone. There would have been
> > no potential victims left. This is impossible. Tell us, what are
> > Solzhenitsyn's conclusions? We're not interested in yours because you
> > compulsively embroider. I don't think you actually read the books in
> > any event.
>
> You hit the nail on the head Cazador -except you go a little easy on Alex.
> He is a proven blatant liar who compulsively alters history to suit his
> agenda.

AND WHAT IS HIS "AGENDA" SHITHEAD?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 10, 11:18 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Apr 10, 7:38 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 9:06 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > > Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > > > Bugger all, if any, I would think. The yids don't like schvartzes.
> > > > They spit on 'em.
>
> > > What a load of racist claptrap.
>
> > > "Blacks and Jews in the United States were generally close allies
> > >  throughout the period of the civil rights movement. Since the mid-1960s,
> > >  conflict has erupted between the two.
> > > Black Muslims have been particularly  virulent in their attacks on Jews and
> > > Judaism,
>
> > I WONDER WHY? DO YOU KNOW?  MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE JEWS WERE VERY GOOD TO
> > THEM WHEN THEY SOLD THEM INTO SLAVERY
>
>    Which Jews sold them into slavery?
>
>  Michael

IF AMSTERDAM JEWS DID NOT PAY FOR THE SLAVES THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO
SLAVERY
READ THE HISTORY OF BLACK AMERICA, DONKEY!



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On Apr 10, 8:40 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > Worse. He's a shabbas goy.
>
> Yep,try claiming Imus  is Jewish and then whenhe isn't,  Cramer immediately
> says he's a Shabbos goy like a good little Jew hater..
>
And what makes you Jewish? The fact that you belong to Jewish religion
and act like a Jewess. Well, Imus does not qualify for the first
degr4ee but he qualifies for the second.

I would be interested to know what do you think makes a Jew a Jew? And
don't give me the shits about the myth of descendancy, it means
nothing!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:53 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Prevention in Halakhah
Date: 10 Apr 2007 19:06:31 -0700
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On Apr 10, 9:51 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> Abstract
> Preventive medicine is taking an increasingly central place in modern
> clinical practice, at least in primary care. What, if anything, does the
> Jewish rabbinic tradition have to say about keeping healthy?

Shit yeah! I saw so many of those Rabbis playing football, soccer,
cricket and boxing. Most of them are human wrecks from the time they
are shitted out!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Prevention in Halakhah
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On Apr 10, 10:33 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176257191.589912.104020@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 9:51 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> > Abstract
> > Preventive medicine is taking an increasingly central place in modern
> > clinical practice, at least in primary care. What, if anything, does the
> > Jewish rabbinic tradition have to say about keeping healthy? The delayed
> > response of contemporary rabbis to the dangers of smoking, in particular,
> > raises questions about the underlying principles that Halakhah* employs to
> > approach health promotion. As is often the case in Halakhah, we may detect
> > different streams of thought in the classical sources, which may be felt
> > in
> > the way contemporary issues are handled. Three approaches will be
> > discussed.
> > First, Maimonides, famous for the practical preventive approach in his
> > medical writings, makes his philosophy clear both in his halakhic works
> > and
> > in his Guide for the Perplexed. For him, a healthy body is a prerequisite
> > for a healthy soul. We must be free of physical suffering in order to be
> > able to do the work of perfecting our souls. Second, the view that health
> > is
> > the reward for goodness and illness a punishment for sin as expounded or
> > implied in the writings of Nahmanides, and of Ibn Ezra that the way to
> > good
> > health is to lead a good life. Third, an early midrashic** source picked
> > up
> > again much later by Rabbi Israel Meir Kagan (the Hafetz Hayim) gives the
> > argument from custodianship - since the body is divine property we have a
> > duty to look after it well. So for Maimonides there is a prior duty to
> > keep
> > healthy, while for Nahmanides the prior requirement is to repent of sin.
> > For
> > the Hafetz Hayim, keeping the body healthy is an independent duty in its
> > own
> > right. These then are the differences in basic approach that may affect
> > the
> > emphases that different rabbis today place on health maintenance and
> > promotion.
>
> > The whole thing here......
> >http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar07mar-15.pdf
> > Shit yeah! I saw so many of those Rabbis playing football, soccer,
> > cricket and boxing.
>
> Shit yeah.... All looking through the bottom of a Sljivovice bottle.
>
> > Most of them are human wrecks from the time they
> > are shitted out!

The war crimes continue unabated:

Eyewitnesses confirmed to our correspondent in al-Fathel area that the
combats that begun between armed men and between the American and the
governmental forces from the other side after the occupation and the
governmental forces killed two youth men from the sons of the area in
front of the people after it arrested them, and they decleared that
this crime angered the sons of the area and caused breaking out the
combats that still until now.

And anther news report that another Chopper were downed in al-Fathel
area in Baghdad.

In which our correspondent in the area reported that another American
Helicopter were hit in the combats that started today and it were seen
when it is falling near Sheikh Omar graveyard.

In another side eyewitnesses confirmed that the first downed Chopper
crew that were downed today's morning in Sheikh Omar area in the part
that is near Mohammad Kasem highway may killed in the accident.

Eyewitnesses said that the combats are still until now in al-Fathel
area and that the American and the Iraqi forces are storming into
houses and arresting people in the area but it face a strong armed
resistance.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: RUSSIA WILL ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL TO HER JEWISH BROTHERS
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Great inventions of great russian Jews such as Isay Davidovitch Berg,
Yosie Khodorvsky, Issy Weiser, Arie Weinstein, and thousands of
pthers. Millions of Russians would never know the peace of death,
including the family of yours truly if it was not for these Jews.
Their works can be seen in Dushegubka museum of Harkiv, Golodovka
museum of Kiiv, and Tatar rubka museum of Simferopol

"The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:56 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 10, 9:39 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > "Tilly"  wrote in message
> >news:evenua$h33$1@aioe.org...
> > > Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > > > Bugger all, if any, I would think. The yids don't like schvartzes.
> > > > They spit on 'em.
>
> > > What a load of racist claptrap.
>
> > > "Blacks and Jews in the United States were generally close allies
> > > throughout the period of the civil rights movement.
>
> > But the yids hate the niggers now, don't they. Be honest.
>
> NO.

THEY HATE THE BLACK ETHIOPIAN JEWS IN ISRAEL, THAT IS FOR SURE. ASK
THEM!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:18:56 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 10, 9:45 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> > That day is coming soon, we can understand more and more now what
> > caused the reaction of the German people against Jews 70 years ago
>
> What makes people dislike/dismiss  people like you?
That is an easy one to answer:


Great inventions of great russian Jews such as Isay Davidovitch Berg,
Yosie Khodorvsky, Issy Weiser, Arie Weinstein, and thousands of
others. Millions of Russians would never know the peace of death,
including the family of yours truly if it was not for these Jews.
Their works can be seen in Dushegubka museum of Harkiv, Golodovka
museum of Kiiv, and Tatar rubka museum of Simferopol

"The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 10, 9:47 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > That day is coming soon, we can understand more and more now what
> > caused the reaction of the German people against Jews 70 years ago
>
> The day will come for Muslims first.
>
> Has it occurred to you they are extremely unpopular in many parts of Europe,
> especially as even so called moderates keep their mouthes shut when it comes
> to criticising Islamists.
>
> Muslim immigration is going to be far more restricted.
 What an idiot! Have you ever visited Europe?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 11, 3:48 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2:04 am, "B'inyamin Cramer" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message
>
> >news:1176218307.452454.226730@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Apr 10, 7:38 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> > >> On Apr 9, 9:06 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > >> > Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > >> > > Bugger all, if any, I would think. The yids don't like schvartzes.
> > >> > > They spit on 'em.
>
> > >> > What a load of racist claptrap.
>
> > >> > "Blacks and Jews in the United States were generally close allies
> > >> >  throughout the period of the civil rights movement. Since the
> > >> > mid-1960s,
> > >> >  conflict has erupted between the two.
> > >> > Black Muslims have been particularly  virulent in their attacks on Jews
> > >> > and
> > >> > Judaism,
>
> > >> I WONDER WHY? DO YOU KNOW?  MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE JEWS WERE VERY GOOD TO
> > >> THEM WHEN THEY SOLD THEM INTO SLAVERY
>
> > >   Which Jews sold them into slavery?
>
> > The hebes have long been involved in slavery, dopey.
>
> > Watch, listen and weep.
>
> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3435039175602962781
>
>    A video that includes commentary by DAVID IRVING?
>
>  Michael

Absolutely, the greatest historian of this era. The man who knows more
about WWII history  than any man alive today!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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> > But you are, dopey. A failure, in fact.
>
>    You are a failure in being a vertebrate.
>
>    You are a HINO (human-in-name-only), as Bill Levinson would put it.
>
>  Michael

Judging by the crimes comitted by the Israeli Defecation Fiends, you
have nothing at all to be proud of. Fuck off!




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: JEWISH COMMISSARS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 11, 4:00 pm, Tall Henry  wrote:
> In article <1176321171.573703.162...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Venceremos  wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 3:48 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> >>    A video that includes commentary by DAVID IRVING?
> > Absolutely, the greatest historian of this era. The man who knows more
> > about WWII history  than any man alive today!
>
>    In 1968 -- long before he became a Holocaust-denier --
> David Irving wrote a book about the WW2 convoy PQ17.

IRVING HAS NEVER GENIED THE HOLOCAUST, HE DENIED THE JEWISH LIES ABOUT
THE HOLOCAUST
>
>    The book contained such a myriad of lies and slanders,  that
> Irving was sued by Captain Broome,  the commander of PQ17.  The
> court convicted Irving and he had to pay a fine of 40,000 Pounds.

WELL, SOME PEOPLE LIE AND YOU CERTANLY DO IT WITHOUT REMORSE!




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 MARTIANS!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 11, 7:41 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> B'inyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > Shabbas goys don't hate yids, dopey. They lick their arses and do
> > their dirty work.
>
> > Sheeeeeesh.
>
> Oooooooohhhhhhh, can I be your shabbos gouy?
>
>
jews? no! It is only for the like of DoDie



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Nefesh, Ignore Salasshole Jafart.
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On Apr 11, 10:52 pm, "Metzuyan"  wrote:
> Shalom, Nefesh. I must impart some sage advice with
> regards to putting Salasshole in "its" place. By posting
> what "it" is, you simply add fuel to "its" filth ridden lies.
> "It" feeds off all the negative comments and posts directed
> at "it". From nothing, comes nothing. That is what "it" is. "It"
> has lied so much, that "it" is no longer aware of "its" reality
> and "its" fantasies. Much like Alex Seredin. "Two peas in a
> pod", as the old saying goes. "It" never was a Marine, I even
> called "it" out on numerous occasions. "It" didn't even know
> what "MOS" stood for, when I asked "it" for "its" designation
> in the Marines. "It" has stated over countless bullshit posts
> that "It" was a Colonel, Major, Captain, Lieutenant, 2nd Lt, on
> down to a lowly private. So right there "it" is an habitual liar. I
> dont even bother to waste my time on "it" or Alex's posts, and
> you should do the same. Well, haver shel li, I must be off. Just
> about through with the current Asian Golf circuit, will be heading
> home by weeks end. Be safe, be well, and God Bless.
>
>                                                               Metzuyan.

YOU TELL IM METZ WHAT HE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO!z ISN'T THAT HOW IT
WORKS WITH YOU FUCKING JEWS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: MC VAY'S HOLOFUCKS SPOILS THE BLOODY DAY AGAIN
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 WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAIL THESE FUCKING LIES TO YOUR JEW PAYMASTERS YOU
USELESS FUCKING NANIMO BUM, NOBODY BELIEVES THE CRAP FOR A MINUTE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 12, 1:26 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > JEWS ALMOST SHOT DOWN AN AMERICAN AIRLINER, FIVE MILES OUT, AND OUR
> > CREEPS TOOK TWO HOURS TO DO NOTHING!
>
> > The Israeli Air Force came the closest ever in its history Wednesday
> > afternoon to intercepting and destroying a civilian airliner which had
> > failed to make contact with Air Traffic Control and comply with
> > international regulations as it approached the country's airspace.
>
> Exactly.
> The airline didn't comply with international regulations as it approached
> Israeli airspace.

This time I do not blame the long noses. Alkl I am asking why didn't
our mightry air force and NORAD intercept the 4 airliners on Sept. 11
2001 ?
Maybe they did not intercept them because they wanted them to hit
their target!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 12, 12:43 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Tilly"  wrote in messagenews:evkck0$edf$1@aioe.org...
> > Gary Renzetti wrote:
> >> Already said my piece in my reply to Ben. Your thoughts are welcomed.
>
> > They are the facts Gary.
>
> This is a fact?
>
> "But yeah, perhaps the Kurds need to be armed/trained, and FOR SURE, so do
> the Palestinians! This latter may actually be happening, if the excellent
> account Hez gave of themselves during the recent rape of Lebanon by the
> zioscum is any barometer."
>
> Woah....

Zionists have been training and arming the Maoist PKK for at least two
decades. In fact there were ZioNazi troops in Kurdistan for ages



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On Apr 12, 4:34 am, "moremoneyforoil" 
wrote:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/07/29/gunman-shoots-6-kills-on_n_2...
>
> look at the hate on this board.. For this I am paying more money then
> anything I ever owned combined to pay this hate...
>
> thhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacksis

Only six? Shit ZioNazis shoot that many in Palestine every day, day in
day out!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: gunman in Seattle Kills Six
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On Apr 12, 4:51 am, "moremoneyforoil" 
wrote:
> oh wait. thats shoots six.. give it time, next time... will be more, not


Yesterday US troops killed 147 Iraqis. You must be dancing



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: MC VAY'S HOLOFUCKS SPOILS THE BLOODY DAY AGAIN
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On Apr 12, 9:20 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Apr 11, 9:26 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAIL THESE FUCKING LIES TO YOUR JEW PAYMASTERS YOU
> > USELESS FUCKING NANIMO BUM, NOBODY BELIEVES THE CRAP FOR A MINUTE

IN FACT MIKE EVANS , THE GIANT OF GILLIES BAY  IS ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
YOU SCUM!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS ON 911? DID JEWS WANT WTC DESTROYED?
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On Apr 12, 4:14 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176380057.750962.168470@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 1:26 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > JEWS ALMOST SHOT DOWN AN AMERICAN AIRLINER, FIVE MILES OUT, AND OUR
> > > > CREEPS TOOK TWO HOURS TO DO NOTHING!
>
> > > > The Israeli Air Force came the closest ever in its history Wednesday
> > > > afternoon to intercepting and destroying a civilian airliner which had
> > > > failed to make contact with Air Traffic Control and comply with
> > > > international regulations as it approached the country's airspace.
>
> > > Exactly.
> > > The airline didn't comply with international regulations as it
> approached
> > > Israeli airspace.
>
> > This time I do not blame the long noses. Alkl I am asking why didn't
> > our mightry air force and NORAD intercept the 4 airliners on Sept. 11
> > 2001 ?<
>
> For one thing, all of them took off from domestic  US airports!  NORAD was
> designed to deal with external threats trying to get in,

THAT IS BULLSHIT!  All air traffic no matter where it originates is
strictly monitored, and any deviation from the flight plan is
immediately investigated by scrambling fighters to approach the
aircraft and if necessary force it to change the course. 911 was an
exception, because it was the government plan to provide the cover for
the destruction of WTC, which was blown up. No aircraft no matter how
large could have possibly knocked over WTC



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS ON 911? DID JEWS WANT WTC DESTROYED?
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On Apr 12, 5:12 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> 
>
> > This time I do not blame the long noses.
>
> What did it have to do with the Arabs?
> They have by far the longest noses in the region!!!!!
>
>  Alkl I am asking why didn't
>
> > our mightry air force and NORAD intercept the 4 airliners on Sept. 11
> > 2001 ?
> > Maybe they did not intercept them because they wanted them to hit
> > their target!
>
> Oh yes,  as usual when you are proven wrong you change the subject.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Everybody in this country knows that WTC destruction was an inside
job, Several pols indicate that more than 80% of Americans do not
believe the lies of George Bush and his Jews!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - d
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On Apr 12, 2:48 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> I'm back, just to spite the antisemites

NEXT THING YOU WILL BE CLAIMING THAT JEWS AND ALL LONG NOSES ARE
SEMITES!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: It's time for Jews to face the music
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On Apr 12, 12:25 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Salah Jafar wrote:
> >       For more than two decades political proposals, diplomatic
> > initiatives, and international resolutions, as well as local
> > Palestinian and Israeli initiatives, such as the Geneva Accords, have
> > failed to make peace between Palestinians and Israelis.  A main
> > reason for this failure is Israeli society's and its leaders'
> > repeated failure to address difficult issues, such as Israel's
> > borders, its treatment of its Arab citizens and its relationship with
> > neighboring countries.
>
> >       Israel's reluctance to seriously address these issues has left
> > many Palestinians bewildered. For decades Israel and the
> > international community stated that recognizing Israel and a
> > Palestinian state on only 22 percent of historic Palestine was enough
> > to end the conflict. In the same way, the Saudis thought their peace
> > initiative - the Arab recognition of Israel and normalization of
> > relations in return for Israel's withdrawal to 1967 borders and a
> > just solution for the refugees issue - adopted during the Beirut Arab
> > summit in 2002, would encourage Israeli leadership to end the
> > occupation and the conflict.
>
> I saw a programme on Al Jazeera two nights ago in which Arab commentatators
> said the Saudi intiative is 'impossible' . (It shocked me to hear then say
> that.!!)
> They said the Saudi intitiative is 'take it or leave it' with absolutely no
> room for negotiation. They themselves said the 'right of return' can never
> happen-  for obvious reasons - because it's nothing but an attempt to
> eradicate Israel by turning it into a predominantly Islamic state.
> They also said what is required is for refugees  or their survivng family
> who owned land in Israel prior to 1948 to get compensation based on current
> market values.
> They also said of the Palestinians are going to hang out for their current
> demands on every  issue they won't get it and that the Saudis had better
> give room for negotiation on issues or their initiative will come to
> nothing.
> They also talked about how much  Palestinian refugees are disliked in many
> Arab countries, particularly Lebanon.
>
CRAP!  At Mansura and Zagazig universities there are at least 20,000
Palestinians receiving free university education. for the last 20
years.
They also receive a government stipend, because under the ZioNazi
occupation they could not receive education at all.

You are very stupid Tilly, everybody knows that millions of Arab
refugees aretaken care of in the neighboring Arab countries. While
Israel takes care of thieves, criminals and ex communist aparatchicks
like Tolia Sharansky and Semyon Mogilevich, Arabs care for poor
displaced people of Palestine



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Let this woman emigrate to Israel!!
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 In israel it is both illegal and impossible for a muslim to marry a
Jewish woman, and even if they did get married, they would not be
allowed to live together!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: SALAH JAFAR IS AN OLD AMERICAN TROOPER...
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 METZ, THE ONLY LIAR HERE IS YOU!  WHAT BOTH OF US HAVE STATED ARE
FACTS, TRUTH, WE DO NOT LIE BECAUSE WE ARE MUSLIMS. YOUR TALMUD
RECOMMENDS THAT YOU LIE TO NONE JEWS, BUT HOLY QURAN DOES NOT EVEN
PERMIT US TO CRITICIZE YOUR FAITH NOR TO CALL YOU A LIAR WHICH YOU ARE!



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On Apr 12, 11:29 pm, "NefeshBarYochai"  wrote:
> On Apr 12, 8:28 pm, "Metzuyan"  wrote:
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > Alex, stop lying. It's a toss up between the both of your sorry asses
> > who is the biggest liar. I swear, both of you are raving lunatics. Go
> > wash that froth from the corners of your filthy mouth. It is most
> > unbecoming. LOL
>
> Metz hope you are winning.

WINNING SHIT! JUST LIKE YOU ARE!



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JEWISH PEOPLE WERE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WERE KILLED IN ALL THE WARS COMBINED (REPOST)
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On Apr 12, 8:54 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> The Re"vvrdd wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:14:34 GMT, flavi...@verizon.net aka Suzy Cohen,
> > desperately wishing it were an illiterate jew instead of an
> > illiterate, th*ck Irish cunt wrote:
>
> > > On 10-Apr-2007, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > > >  wrote in message
> > > >news:1176180772.075363.262850@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Apr 9, 4:17 pm, Kim Bebbington
> > > > >  wrote:
>
> > > > >  I am an expert on *all* of The Bible including
> > > > >  Numbers.
>
> > > > You are not an expert on anything but racism.
>
> > > > >  I know a great deal about a great many things
>
> > > > That is a laugh.
>
> > > > >  I also  know how jews feel when their offspring marry
> > > > >  out.
>
> > > > Which is funny, since you didn't say how you would feel about your
> > > > offspring
> > > > marrying out of your race. But we all know the answer to that, so
> > > > why would
> > > > you bitch about a Jew having the same feelings that you would
> > > > have?
>
> > > Except that the illiterate liar knows it is not the same; Judaism
> > > is not a race,
> > > as has been pointed out to the illiterate liar more than once.
>
> > > Suzy
>
> > The th*ck Irish cunt finally got something right!   Indeed, jewdism is
> > just a religion - the favoured religion of a sizeable minority of the
> > jew race.   Anyone can practise jewdism, but to be a real jew you have
> > to be born into the jew race.   There is no entry and there is no
> > escape.
>
> LIAR.
>
> Under  Jewish religious law you  have to be born of a Jewish mother or
> convert to Judaism.

Fuck yeah! And you have kept the record of all your ancestors and all
your grannies who have been fucked by Tatars for 500 years.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 America : Breaking the Army
Antiwar.com

by Jim Lobe

President George W. Bush's ongoing "surge" of some 35,000 troops to
add to the 140,000 already deployed in Iraq is highlighting growing
concern, particularly among the military brass, that the U.S. army is
overstretched and fast becoming "broken."

An increasing number of senior retired officers, some of whom had
previously expressed optimism that the active-duty force of some
500,000 soldiers could handle U.S. commitments in the "global war on
terror," now say the current situation today reminds them of 1980,
when the service's top officer, Gen. Edward Meyer, publicly declared
that the country had a "hollow Army."

"The active army is about broken," former Secretary of State Colin
Powell, who also served as chairman of the Armed Forces Joint Chiefs
of Staff under President George H.W. Bush 15 years ago, told Time
magazine this week, while another highly decorated retired general who
just returned from Iraq and Afghanistan described the situation in
even more dire terms.

"The truth is, the U.S. Army is in serious trouble and any recovery
will be years in the making and, as a result, the country is in a
position of strategic peril," ret. Gen. Barry McCaffrey, former head
of the U.S. Southern Command, told the National Journal, elaborating
on a much-cited memo he had written for his colleagues at the U.S.
Military Academy at West Point.

"My bottom line is that the Army is unraveling, and if we don't expend
significant national energy to reverse that trend, sometime in the
next two years we will break the Army just like we did during
Vietnam," he added.

In an indication of the growing concern, both Time and the more elite-
oriented Journal ran cover stories this week. They both concluded that
the Army was rapidly approaching or had already reached "the breaking
point."

"Pressed by the demands of two wars, plus mandates to expand,
reorganize, and modernize, the Army is nearing its breaking point,"
according to the Journal, which also ran a companion article on how
much the service has been forced to lower its mental, physical and
moral standards to meet recruitment targets.

Some 15 percent of Army recruits last year were granted "waivers" from
the Army's minimum standards - about half of those were "moral
waivers"; that is, they were permitted to enter the service despite
prior criminal records. Only 82 percent of recruits had a high school
diploma or its equivalent, below the Army's benchmark of 90 percent
and the lowest rate since 1981, according to the Center for Strategic
and Budgetary Assessments.

>From just over 1.6 million soldiers at the height of the Vietnam War,
the Army's active-duty force fell to a half million troops by the
mid-1990s, following the end of the Cold War. Counting reserve and
National Guard forces, the Army's total strength stands at about one
million soldiers, of whom less than 400,000 are trained for combat.

While that was considered adequate for conventional conflicts with
clear military and political objectives like the first Gulf War, in
which the U.S. used overwhelming force to quickly prevail, it has
proven far less suitable for the kind of prolonged occupation and
unconventional war in which Washington now finds itself engaged in
Iraq.

While some in the military brass, like then-Army Chief of Staff Gen.
Eric Shinseki, warned the Bush administration even before the 2003
Iraq war that several hundred thousand troops would be required to
stabilize the country, Bush's defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was
determined to show that a "transformed" military - one that used
advanced technology to make up for numbers - was the wave of the
future, repeatedly rejecting appeals by his commanders, Congress and
some of his neoconservative allies to expand the army's size.

It was not until Rumsfeld was ousted after last November's elections,
nearly four years into the U.S. occupation, that Bush finally agreed.
In January, his new defense secretary, Robert Gates, called for an
increase in army ranks to nearly 550,000 and in the Marines, from
175,000 to 202,000.

These increases, however, will be phased in over five years, offering
little relief to stresses in the existing force, according to defense
experts.

In addition to lowered standards for recruitment, the biggest concerns
at the moment have to do with readiness and training. As more troops
are rotated into Iraq for the "surge," the amount of time devoted to
training has been substantially reduced.

"Given the new policy of having (U.S.) troops (interact more) among
the Iraqis," Lawrence Korb, the Pentagon's top personnel officer under
President Ronald Reagan, told Time, "they should be giving our young
soldiers more training, not less."

Adding to the readiness problem are shortages of equipment, such as
tanks and Humvees, on U.S. bases where training takes place. Instead,
as units are rotated out of Iraq, they leave their equipment behind
for their replacements to use.

"On the equipment side of the equation, the Army is pretty much
broken," Tom McNaugher, an expert at the RAND Corporation, told the
Journal.

Just as the Army has been forced to relax its recruitment standards,
it has also been forced to shorten intervals between deployments.
While the Army's recommended standard is a two-year interval between
deployments that can last up to one year, the average current interval
is substantially less; in some cases, as little as seven months.

Those stresses are particularly difficult to manage for mid-level
officers, most of whom have families back at home and have already
served as many as three and even four tours of duty in Iraq or
Afghanistan.

While retention rates for these ranks remain strong, according to the
Pentagon, some experts believe its statistics, which lag by several
months, do not reflect what is actually taking place.

"Today, anecdotal evidence of collapse is all around," according to
ret. Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, a former Rumsfeld adviser and a regular
commentator on CNN, who previously was optimistic about the war and
its impact on the Army.

"The Army's collapse after Vietnam was presaged by a desertion of mid-
grade officers (captains) and noncommissioned officers... Most left
because they and their families were tired and didn't want to serve in
units unprepared for war."

"If we lose our sergeants and captains, the Army breaks again. It's
just that simple. That's why these soldiers are the canaries in the
readiness coal mine," he told the Washington Times last week. "And...
if you look closely, you will see that these canaries are fleeing
their cages in frightening numbers."

Indeed, the Army is currently short about 3,000 mid-career officers, a
number that will be impossible to make up as the army expands over the
next five years - a situation that Scales called "pretty much
irreversible."

According to a report in the Boston Globe Wednesday, graduates from
the military's officer training academy at West Point are choosing to
leave active duty at the highest rate in more than three decades - "a
sign to many specialists," the Globe said, "that repeated tours in
Iraq are prematurely driving out some of the Army's top young
officers."

Of the 903 officers commissioned on graduating from West Point in
2001, 54 percent had left the service by January of this year.

Meyer, the general who pronounced the army "hollow" in 1980, agrees
that the army appears headed down the same path as after Vietnam.

"I absolutely see similar challenges confronting the Army today as we
faced then in terms of stresses being placed on the force," he told
Journal. "I think the Army is stressed at this point more than in all
the time I've watched it since at least the end of the Cold War."

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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Exactly what the yids are doing in the ME
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> Well, you know, Deuteronomy was probably written later than the other four
> books of Moses, most likely in the time of King Josiah, so there are
> variances from the other four books. Certainly those Canaanite nations that
> practiced infanticide were not to be spared.

Are you telling the world that Russian Khazars are semites related to
Moses?  You are nuts!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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> The facts of history are on our side. International law is on our side. The
> Arab imperialist claim to Jewish soil is rejected
> and beaten back despite the superior numbers and unbridalled savagery used
> by the Arab occupiers against the peaceful Jews who came to peacefully
> resettle their homeland.

Garby you know very well that you scum are NOT semites at all, and
have no right in Palestine under any law, including the Law of Moses

500 Hezbollah fighters destroyed 47 of your bloody tanks and killed
130 Israeli Defecation Fiends, and you are threatening Arabs who will
have you for breakfast!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 ARMY IS READY TO REBELCNN) - Tours of duty for members of the U.S.
Army serving in Iraq and Afghanistan have been extended from 12 months
to 15 months effective immediately, Defense Secretary Robert Gates
said Wednesday.The new policy will give all units a year at home
between deployments. CNN.com asked readers what they thought about the
decision, as well as its impact on the country and the troops and
their loved ones. Below is a selection of the responses, some of which
have been edited:

(1828 bytes) [c] 	Print
L. Miller in Diyala, Iraq

Currently, I am an Army officer serving my second tour of duty in
Iraq. I fought in Falluja in 2004. I protected Iraqi voters during the
first elections in 2005. I'm currently slugging it out with insurgents
and terrorists in the violent Diyala province. My soldiers and I have
seen and been witness to things that no one should ever have to see
and have lived through events that keep me up nights. Like most combat
arms officers here, I live with the fact that many of my soldiers have
not survived the battles we have fought, yet we survivors continue to
soldier on. To learn of my unit's extension by watching the news is an
insult. Many commanders and leaders throughout the Army, including
myself, only learned of this extension after their own subordinates
saw a press conference on TV and questioned them about it. Informing
soldiers this way is a disrespectful act and angers me, many of my
soldiers, and many of their family members.

While my own soldiers informing me of the inevitable extension of
tours of duty disappoints and angers me, the fact that an already
arduous yearlong tour is being extended absolutely infuriates me. Do
leaders have absolutely no respect for soldiers and their families or
is the Army this broken? I'm sure reality lies somewhere in between.
As for myself, I am tired. I'm tired of this war. I'm tired of seeing
my soldiers die. I'm tired of never being home. I'm tired of having no
answer when my soldiers ask me if we're really defending our nation.
I'm tired of not seeing my newborn son or my wife. I'm tired of not
being home for Christmas. Because I am so tired of these things, I
will tender my resignation when I return home ... whenever that is.
I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/12/extension.emails




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Most recent howler from "Cramer"
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On Apr 13, 4:18 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Apr 13, 12:53 am, "RJ " wrote:
>
>
>
> >    The neo-Nazi loudmouth posting as "Binyamin Cramer" has
> > just asserted that he was in Israel a few days ago,  the
> > reason being his involvement in transporting "refined
> > sugar" there.
>
> >    So far,  he asserted that he is:
>
> >    1.  A college professor.
>
> >    2.  An expert and consultant on international terrorism.
>
> >    3.  A recipient of an honorary degree from the Australian Navy.
>
> >    4.  A photographer.
>
> >    5.  A few weeks ago,  he claimed that he just returned from Basra,
> >        Iraq,  and that he participated in a military operation there.
>
> >    And now he's dealing with "refined sugar".
>
> >    Needless to say,  he never posted one single item of evidence
> > to support any of the above.
>
> >    And this truly incredible spectrum of activities,  mind you,  while
> > spending about 14 hours a day on the net,  posting thousands upon
> > thousands of articles per month.
>
> >    This is what using drugs does to you,  folks.
>
> >    "my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
> > I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
> > down." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",   Source:
> > Message-ID: <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
>
> >    Don't do drugs,  folks.  Just say no.
>
> > RJ.
>
>  Good one, RJ. Salad Jar, you know, recently claimed he's worked in
> intelligence. Add that to Thermidor's various commentaries on UNGAR
> 181, and you've got one helluva contingent for Creedmoor.
>
> Deborah

What makes you think that he did not work in intelligence?



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On Apr 12, 4:14 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176380057.750962.168470@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 1:26 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > JEWS ALMOST SHOT DOWN AN AMERICAN AIRLINER, FIVE MILES OUT, AND OUR
> > > > CREEPS TOOK TWO HOURS TO DO NOTHING!
>
> > > > The Israeli Air Force came the closest ever in its history Wednesday
> > > > afternoon to intercepting and destroying a civilian airliner which had
> > > > failed to make contact with Air Traffic Control and comply with
> > > > international regulations as it approached the country's airspace.
>
> > > Exactly.
> > > The airline didn't comply with international regulations as it
> approached
> > > Israeli airspace.
>
> > This time I do not blame the long noses. Alkl I am asking why didn't
> > our mightry air force and NORAD intercept the 4 airliners on Sept. 11
> > 2001 ?<
>
> For one thing, all of them took off from domestic  US airports!  NORAD was
> designed to deal with external threats trying to get in,
>
> > Maybe they did not intercept them because they wanted them to hit
> > their target!<
>
> Of course. The best kept large scale conspiracy since Roswell and Area 51.

I have served in the Air force you stupid Jew, and know exactly how
long it would take even an old Sabre to intercept an aircraft. You are
just salting the minds of the world with the official Jew lies!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
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On Apr 13, 1:53 am, "Binyamin C'ramer"  wrote:
> "Tilly"  wrote in messagenews:evm7bc$6ug$1@aioe.org...
> > Venceremos wrote:
> > 
>
> >> This time I do not blame the long noses.
>
> > What did it have to do with the Arabs?
> > They have by far the longest noses in the region!!!!!
>
> Balls they do.
>
> How to you convert "Land of the long white schnoz" into Maori?

I cannot stop laughing!  What about the Jew snatch how does that fit
in with the Maori haka parties?




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS ON 911? DID JEWS WANT WTC DESTROYED?
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On Apr 14, 3:04 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin C'ramer wrote:
> > Since when has Ersatz israel ever given a flying fuck for
> > international regulations and other country's airspace? Bit
> > hypocritical, isn't it?
>
> When have Arabs ever given a flying fuck about international law?
> Take a look at Darfour and Chad......

Darfur does not even come close to the number of civilians slaughtered
in Vietnam, Iraq, Panama etc. etc. by the US/kike alliances



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On Apr 14, 3:42 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
> > Binyamin C'ramer wrote:
> > > Since when has Ersatz israel ever given a flying fuck for
> > > international regulations and other country's airspace? Bit
> > > hypocritical, isn't it?
>
> > When have Arabs ever given a flying fuck about international law?
> > Take a look at Darfour and Chad.......the Arab world doesn't say a
> > word, nor do loony far leftists who deny genocide is occurring in
> > Darfur or blame it on the Jews.
> > Just like you .
>
> George Galloway:
> "Well I don't agree that it's genocide but I definitely agree that there's
> suffering going on there."
>
> Matthew Yglesias: American Prospect:
> "According to many observers, these atrocities amount to the crime of
> genocide. ... But, though I fear I may get thrown out of polite society for
> saying so, I think that choice of terms should be resisted."
>
> Ramsey Clark's International Action Center
>
>  "Even a cursory look at the supporters of the campaign shows the prominent
> role of right-wing evangelical Christians and major Zionist groups to "Save
> Darfur." ... This Darfur campaign accomplishes several goals of U.S.
> imperialist policy. It further demonizes Arab and Muslim people. ... It is
> also an attempt to deflect attention from the U.S. financing and support of
> Israel's war on the Palestinian people."
>
 RAMSEY CLARK SDAID IT ALL, I AGREE WITH HIM WHOLEHEARTEDLY



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On Apr 14, 3:33 am, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:59 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > An unholy alliance
> > September 4, 2006
>
> > Anti-Semitism is reportedly on the rise across university campuses. Has
> > political opportunism unleashed the devil?
>
> > Daniel Wyner is used to robust debate. A senior figure in the Australasian
> > Union of Jewish Students, he moves around Melbourne campuses arguing for
> > Israel. But he was taken aback recently when a Monash lecturer confronted
> > him, almost incoherent with rage, and called him a Zionist oppressor and
> > f---ing racist.
>
> > "He kept going on his rant and rave. He wasn't Muslim or Arab. He may or may
> > not have been a member of the arts faculty, and I may or may not have
> > followed him back into the office to find that out." The incident
> > highlighted what many Australian Jews claim is a distinct rise in
> > temperature on campus but the hostility has not come from Muslims.
>
> > "I've been at La Trobe, Deakin and Melbourne too. The problems, the
> > anti-Semitism, the vilification we feel as students on campus are coming
> > almost entirely from the left. The Socialist Alternative (a left-wing
> > student group), they just latch on to a cause which isn't theirs to try to
> > make it their own by twisting it," Wyner says.
>
> > Jewish groups claim some of the more radical left-wing groups are trying to
> > exploit tensions in the Middle East to foment trouble on campus and increase
> > their own numbers. An example, Wyner says, was the recent visit to Melbourne
> > University by the Israeli ambassador: Socialist Alternative members
> > disrupted the meeting and were asked to leave by the Lebanese students'
> > society.
>
> > In Sydney last month, a Jewish student was pushed to the ground and others
> > spat on. At Monash, a Young Liberal member staffing a stall supporting
> > Israel was grabbed by the throat and threatened, while the table was kicked
> > over.
>
> > At Melbourne University, security staff had to keep apart the Students
> > Against War and Racism and a group of mostly Liberal Club members waving
> > Israeli flags. Tensions flared, insults were traded and observers said only
> > a handful of guards prevented the conflict becoming physical. The
> > vice-chancellors of both Melbourne and Sydney universities called for calm,
> > saying that while vigorous debate was acceptable, vilification was not.
>
> > Grahame Leonard, the president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry,
> > says July had the most anti-Semitic incidents since records began in 1945.
> > At 141, the total was 60 per cent higher than the previous record.
>
> > "Generally it's low severity - phone calls, graffiti, hate emails - but
> > there are some violent incidents. The big growth was in Victoria, and many
> > of these incidents were on campus."
>
> > In Sydney some Jewish students feel so intimidated that they are wearing
> > hats over their kippahs (skull caps). In Melbourne they are more defiant,
> > but they are concerned.
>
> > "There's a real feeling of threat," says Deon Kamien, Victorian president of
> > the Union of Jewish Students. "It's not something I can put in words. A lot
> > of students who would feel very comfortable wearing a kippah or T-shirt with
> > Hebrew words on it now feel they are being targeted as Jews - not supporters
> > of Israel, but Jews. When they walk past socialist stalls (on campus) they
> > are called f---ing Jews."
>
> > Kamien says that where previous conflicts have been about politics, this
> > time it's turned racial. "The leftists have completely blurred the line
> > between politics and religion and have misunderstood the situation. They've
> > got hung up on the Middle East and absolutely hung up on Jews. What we are
> > seeing is nothing more than anti-Semitism."
>
> > Greg Weinstein, national president of the Australasian Union of Jewish
> > Students, says "the left" are uneducated and base their arguments purely on
> > passions rather than fact. "They are misusing what's happening on the other
> > side of the world to promote their own cause, which is shocking. I don't
> > think they are gaining credibility."
>
> > It is not just the students, and not just Australia. Ted Lapkin of the
> > Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council wrote an essay for Quadrant
> > magazine recently, criticising what he terms anti-Semitism by left-wing
> > academics.
>
> > "Australian campuses are like most Western universities, but more so,"
> > Lapkin says.
>
> > Jewish community leaders detect a rising tide of anti-Semitism throughout
> > the West. They pinpoint a couple of key reasons: the inoculation effect of
> > the Holocaust is disappearing over time, so that dinner-table anti-Semitism
> > is re-emerging. People who don't like Jews feel more comfortable about
> > expressing it.
>
> > Second, they say, Israel provides a convenient excuse. They accept that most
> > criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic, but say it can provide a convenient
> > cover for attacking Jews generally. A red-line warning for the Jewish
> > community is when critics compare Israel to the Nazis. You don't use a Nazi
> > slur if you know what the Nazis did, and if you do know and use it, that's
> > inexcusable, they believe.
>
> > Jews ask why British university lecturers insisted that Israeli academics
> > sign a statement dissociating themselves from Israel's "apartheid" policies
> > if they wished to teach in Britain. Is Israel worse than China, or Sudan or
> > North Korea or Iran?
>
> > The answer, they are convinced, is that latent anti-Semitism is resurfacing.
> > A Christian observer at Melbourne University, who did not want to be named,
> > certainly thinks that's the explanation in this city. He says "Jew-baiting"
> > is rising, as opponents try to turn anti-Israel sentiment to anti-Jewish.
> > "Socialists bait Jewish students. The intention is to get Jewish students to
> > fight back so they can use them. It's a deliberate incitement of people's
> > emotions to generate conflict."
>
> > The Socialist Alternative tactics are outlined in an in-house publication.
>
> > Discussing an incident at Melbourne, when a socialist stall was overturned,
> > Daniel L. says the best response is to "immediately make a huge fuss -
> > denounce them loudly, screaming 'you're a murderer, you support George
> > Bush's war, you support killing innocent people in the Middle East, you're
> > fascist scum' and so forth. When we did this it had a huge polarising effect
> > with people coming up afterwards to show their support. Often this was from
> > the point of view of freedom of speech, rather than a willingness to support
> > fighting Israel. But that doesn't change the fact that it is excellent
> > terrain for us."
>
> > One writer, Vashti, says "two young Lebanese guys came up and asked if they
> > could beat up the Zionists".
>
> > Daniel says of this: "They knew which side they were on and were willing to
> > fight. We do not want to start fights with the Liberals ourselves, but if
> > Lebanese people do it's a good thing and we're f---ing well with them."
>
> > Melbourne University Student Union president Jessie Giles says the campus
> > has been polarised. "Socialist Alternative in particular have been
> > responsible for whipping up some of this sentiment, and I also think the
> > Melbourne University Liberal Club is equally to blame on the other side."
> > The Socialist Alternative group admit they used the Middle East conflict to
> > recruit members but deny that they are racist.
>
> > Vashti Kenway, a Socialist Alternative member at Melbourne and organiser of
> > Students Against War and Racism rallies, says: "I'm pretty unashamed about
> > saying that I think it would be good if there were more socialists in
> > Australia who were against all the horrors of the Howard Government."
>
> > She argues that it's wrong and lazy to accuse critics of Israel of
> > anti-Semitism. "We take a firm stand against all forms of racism, and that
> > includes anti-Semitism. No one from Socialist Alternative has made any
> > racists slurs against anyone."
>
> > Colleen Bolger, Socialist Alternative organiser at Monash, says the
> > Australasian Union of Jewish Students conflates anti-zionism with
> > anti-Semitism. She says students supporting Israel have surrounded socialist
> > stalls on campus, yelling "terrorist".
>
> > Is she misusing the conflict for political ends? "I'd reject the idea that
> > we shouldn't be recruiting people who agree with us. This is a perfectly
> > legitimate thing for a political organisation to do. We certainly don't
> > create the wars, we stand up against them."
>
> > Has the left used racism? This is being debated inside the left, as shown by
> > an exchange in late July on a group email list run by the National Union of
> > Students. Chris Di Pasquale of the RMIT Student Union wrote that Zionists at
> > Melbourne and Monash universities "felt the need to reassert their racism
> > and fetish for genocide and mass slaughter of Arab people", calling security
> > and the student union to shut down socialist stalls.
>
> The left is slavishly following the Stalinist line which turned
> hostile to Israel not long after the Soviet Union had been the first
> nation to recognize Israel.

RUSSIA OWES SO MUCH TO THE JEW, ISSY DAVIDOVITCH BERG THE GREAT JEWISH
INVENTOR PROVES IT. TO SAY NOTHING ABOUT SVERLOV AND THE ASSASSINS OF
THE CZAR AND HIS FAMILY WHO BAYONETED THE CHILDREN IN THE EYES

"The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



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On Apr 14, 2:07 am, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
> Scholars Revise Conclusions About 'Jesus Family Tomb'
>
> Abuja, Apr 13, 2007 (CNA).- Several prominent scholars, who were
> featured in interviews in the controversial documentary Lost Tomb of
> Jesus, have now revised their statements, reported The Jerusalem Post.
>
> The film argues that 10 ancient ossuaries discovered in southeastern
> residential Jerusalem neighborhood of Talpiot in 1980 contained the
> bones of Jesus and his family. The filmmakers attempted to explain some
> of the inscriptions on the ossuaries by suggesting that Jesus was
> married to Mary Magdalene, and that the couple had a son, named Judah.
>
> The most astounding revision is that of University of Toronto
> statistician Andrey Feuerverger, who provided statements that supported
> the central point of the film.
>
> Feuerverger stated in the film that the odds are 600 to one in favor of
> the tomb being the family burial cave of Jesus of Nazareth. He now says
> these figures referred to the probability of a cluster of such names
> appearing together.
>
> According to The Jerusalem Post, this conclusion has now been changed on
> the Discovery Channel website to read: "It is unlikely that an equally
> surprising cluster of names would have arisen by chance under purely
> random sampling."
>
> The scholars' revised statements are recorded in the 16-page paper
> titled "Cracks in the Foundation: How the Lost Tomb of Jesus story is
> losing its scholarly support". It was compiled by epigrapher Stephen
> Pfann of the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem.
>
> The paper was released two months after the documentary, made by
> Oscar-winning director James Cameron and Emmy-winning Canadian filmmaker
> Simcha Jacobovici, was broadcast on the Discovery Channel at the
> beginning of Lent.
>
> Israeli archeologists did say, at the time that the documentary was
> released, that the similarity of the names found inscribed on the
> ossuaries in the cave to the members of Jesus's family was coincidental,
> since many of those names were commonplace in the first century CE.
>
> Shimon Gibson, who was on the team that excavated the tomb and also
> appeared in the film, is quoted in Pfann's report as saying that much
> more evidence is needed before the tomb can be considered the family
> tomb of Jesus.
>
> "Personally, I'm skeptical that this is the tomb of Jesus and I made
> this point very clear to the filmmakers," Gibson is quoted as saying.
>
> In the film, renowned epigrapher Frank Moore Cross, professor emeritus
> of Hebrew and oriental languages at Harvard University, is shown reading
> one of the ossuaries and stating that he has "no real doubt" that it
> reads "Jesus son of Joseph."
> But Cross told Pfann in e-mail that he was skeptical about the film's
> claims because of the ubiquity of Biblical names in that period in
> Jerusalem.
>
> "It has been reckoned that 25 percent of feminine names in this period
> were Maria/Miriam, etc. - that is, variants of 'Mary.' So the cited
> statistics are unpersuasive," Cross is quoted as saying.
> Pfann's paper also includes statements from DNA scientist Dr. Carney
> Matheson, who supervised the DNA tests carried out for the film from the
> supposed Jesus and Mary Magdalene ossuaries.
>
> In the documentary, Matheson said: "These two individuals, if they were
> unrelated, would most likely be husband and wife." He later said: "The
> only conclusions we made were that these two sets were not maternally
> related. To me, it sounds like absolutely nothing."
>
> Francois Bovon is a specialist in ancient apocryphal text who said in
> the film that the ossuary inscription "Mariamne" is the same woman known
> as Mary Magdalene.
>
> Pfann says Bovon later issued a disclaimer stating he did not believe
> that "Mariamne" stood for Mary Magdalene at all.

This just proves that ZioNazis are not only after destruction of
Islam, they want Christianty dead also



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About 8,000 Jews were living in Palestine before 1882. Creation of a
"Jewish State" in such a small country with such a small Jewish
community, which owned virtually no land to settle on, was practically
impossible. Consequently, building an exclusive Jewish State in
Palestine implied bringing Jews from the four corners of the world,
acquisition of the land and ethnically cleansing it from its
indigenous Arab population.


COLONIAL SETTLEMENT:

Hovevei Zion, the precursor of the Zionist Organization, sponsored the
first wave of pioneer settlers, which started in 1882 and ended in
1903. About 35,000 immigrants arrived in Palestine within this wave.
Almost half of them left within several years of their arrival.

Eliezer Ben Yehuda, a fanatical Zionist, was one of the settlers of
the first wave. When his ship arrived in Jaffa in 1882, he found
himself watching the Arab passengers on board and suddenly he realized
that they were far more at home in the "Promised Land" than he was.
Eventually he found that he could not swallow his doubts so he left
"Eretz Yisrael" and became a Territorialist, believing that the Jews
should seek a country in a land other than Palestine. (Karen
Armstrong, Holy War: The Crusades and their Impact on Today's World.
Macmillan, London, 1988, pp. 60-64)

The second wave started in 1904 and ended with the break of WWI in
1914. It brought about 40,000 immigrants to Palestine. As with the
first wave, nearly half of them left the country in later years.

According to Bar-Zohar, when the first immigrants from the Russian
Zionist societies came to Palestine "it was no land flowing with milk
and honey that greeted them... The hard labor, malaria, and hunger
claimed many victims. Of those who survived, many decided to leave
that accursed land on the first available ship. Later, Ben-Gurion was
to contend that of every ten immigrants who arrived with the Second
Aliyah, nine later left the country". (Michael Bar-Zohar, Ben-Gurion:
A Biography. New York: Delacorte Press, 1977, pp. 13-14)

This 2nd wave included a number of Socialist Zionists. Prominent among
the new Socialist Zionist immigrants was Ben Gurion. Another socialist
Zionist, Yitzhak Ben Zvi (2nd President of the State of Israel)
arrived in Palestine within this wave as well.

The 3rd wave, which started in 1919 and ended in 1923, brought another
40,000 settlers. As conditions improved under the British Mandate in
Palestine, few of them returned to their countries of origin.

The 4th wave, 1924 - 1929, brought 82,000 immigrants of who 23,000
left in later years.

In order to boost Jewish immigration to Palestine, the Zionist
Organization entered into negotiations with the Nazis to facilitate
emigration of German Jews. As a result of these negotiations, an
agreement was signed, which allowed tens of thousands of German Jews
to immigrate to Palestine. The 5th wave of Jewish immigrants, which
took place during the period 1929-1939, brought 250,000 settlers and
the 6th brought another 150,000 who arrived in Palestine between 1939
and 1948. (For a detailed discussion of the Transfer Agreement, see:
Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement: The Untold Story of the Secret
Pact Between the Third Reich & Jewish Palestine. New York: Macmillan
Publishing Co. London: Collier Macmillan Publishers, 1984)

The total number of Jews in Palestine in 1946 was 608,225 and the
total land owned by them was 1,585,365 donums, which represented less
than 7% of the area of Palestine. (Walid Khalidi, From Haven to
Conquest, Appendix I, pp.841-843)

The ethnic cleansing operations perpetrated during the 1948 war and
the Absentees Law as well as the Law of Return issued in 1950
facilitated confiscation of Arab homes and lands to build settlements
for more colonial settlers who flooded Palestine following the
creation of Israel.

LAND ROBBERY:

A pre-meditated and pre-planned campaign of land theft started shortly
following the ethnic operations of 1948. A law was passed in the
Israeli Knesset in 1950, the "Absentees Property Law ". According to
this law, any body that was not present directly before, during or
after the war was, regardless of the reason, defined as "absentee" and
his land as surrendered. Thus it was confiscated.

About 20 percent of the Palestinians in Israel were internally
displaced in the 1948 war - in other words, while remaining in Israel,
have been prevented from returning to their homes and villages. These
displaced persons were considered as "absentees" and became refugees
in their own country while their lands were confiscated.

More significantly was the fact that Palestinian Arabs who were driven
out or obliged to leave during the war in 1948 were not allowed to
return to their homes and lands. Those who tried to return were
considered "infiltrators" and were shot to death by Unit 101 of the
IDF, a company of paratroopers, which was formed under the command of
Ariel Sharon.

Another law, "The Land Requisition Law", was passed in 1953 to
"legitimize" the expropriation of Arab lands. According to this law
acts of theft and robbery of land were legal.

Moshe Smilansky, one of the pilgrim fathers of Zionism, published an
article stating that: "When we came back to our country after having
been evicted two thousand years ago, we called ourselves 'daring' and
we rightly complained before the whole world that the gates of the
country were shut. And now when they [Arab refugees] dared to return
to their country where they lived for one thousand years before they
were evicted or fled, they are called 'infiltrees' and shot in cold
blood. Where are, Jews? Why do we not at least, with a generous hand,
pay compensation to these miserable people? Where to take the money
from? But we build palaces...instead of paying a debt that cries unto
us from earth and heaven... And do we sin only against the refugees?
Do we not treat the Arabs who remain with us as second-class citizens?
Did a single Jewish farmer raise his hand in the parliament in
opposition to a law that deprived Arab peasants of their land? How
does sit solitary, in the city of Jerusalem, the Jewish
conscience!" (From Haven to Conquest, p. 834)

ETHNIC CLEANSING:

Subjecting Palestinian Arabs to ethnic cleansing was an integral part
of the implicit and explicit political Zionist thought and parlance
all along.

In his diaries, Herzl made it clear that "the existing landed property
was to be gently expropriated, any subsequent resale to the original
owners was prohibited, and all immovables had to remain in exclusively
Jewish hands. The poor population was to be worked across the frontier
'unbemerkt' (surreptitiously)... This population was to be refused all
employment in the land of its birth... In 1901, the 5th Zionist Congress
founded the Jewish National Fund. According to the by-laws of the JNF,
acquired land became inalienable Jewish property and could no longer
be sold or leased to non-Jews..." (Documented article published by
L.M.C. Van Der Hoeven Leonhard in Libertas, (Holland) Lustrum, number
1960, pp. 1-5, reproduced in Walid Khalidi, From Haven to Conquest,
pp. 115-124. See also, Benny Morris, Righteous Victims: A History of
the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-1999. New York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1999,
pp. 21-22)

David Ben-Gurion believed that the Zionists had to exert pressure to
force the British to act. But if necessary, he wrote in his diary, "We
must ourselves prepare to carry out the removal of the Palestinians".
(Michael Palumbo, The Palestinian Catastrophe, p. 4, citing Ben-
Gurion's Diary - published in Hebrew - vol. IV, p. 299)

In a report to the Jewish Agency Executive on 12 June 1938, Ben-Gurion
stated "I am for a compulsory transfer; I don't see anything immoral
in it..." (Simha Flapan, Zionism and the Palestinians, London: Croom
Helm, 1979, p. 263)

Encouraged by the possibility of establishing a Jewish state as a
result of the partition plan proposed by the Peel Commission in its
report published in July 1937, a "Population Transfer Committee" was
appointed by the Jewish Agency to come up with plans to rid the Jewish
State of its Palestinian Arabs. Joseph Weitz, director of the Jewish
National Fund, who served on the Population Transfer Committee,
developed a plan for this purpose. In his report, Weitz wrote that the
transfer of the Arab population from the Jewish areas "does not serve
only one aim - to diminish the Arab population. It also serves a
second purpose by no means less important, which is to evacuate land
now cultivated by Arabs and thus release it for Jewish
settlement." (Michael Palumbo, The Palestinian Catastrophe, p. 4,
citing CZA, Minutes of the Population Transfer Committee, 22 Nov.,
1937)

The Peel Commission's partition plan, which proposed to divide the
country between the "Jewish colonists and the indigenous Arab
population" was discussed in the meeting of the Jewish Agency
Executive held on 12 June 1938. Partition as proposed by the Peel
Commission would leave over 200,000 Arabs in the proposed "Jewish
State". The Jewish Agency Executive was discussing the problem of how
best to get rid of these Arabs. The seventy-five year old Zionist
leader, Menahem Ussishkin, stated that "There is no hope that this new
Jewish State will survive, to say nothing of develop, if the Arabs are
as numerous as they are today." Berl Katznelson of Ben-Gurion's Mapai
party saw only disaster in a Jewish State with a large Arab minority
and proposed a development plan to eliminate the Palestinian Arabs. He
urged negotiations, with neighboring Arab States that might be
persuaded to receive the expellees. (Michael Palumbo, The Palestinian
Catastrophe, pp. 1-2, citing CZA, Executive Proceedings, 12 June 1938)

Other "Transfer Committees" were appointed during the 1948 war. An
unofficial "self-appointed" committee, headed by Joseph Weitz, started
its activities as of the end of March 1948. After the creation of the
state of Israel the Provisional Government appointed an official
committee the recommendations of which were submitted to Ben-Gurion in
due course and were being implemented under the cover of war.

One of the key questions from June 1967 onwards was not whether Israel
should maintain a presence in the newly acquired territories, but how
it could be maintained without adding over one million Palestinians to
the Arab minority of Israel. The old Zionist dilemma of non-Jews in a
Jewish state had to be resolved. Against this background of Zionist
expansionism, transfer ideas were revived in public debates, in
popular songs, in articles in the Hebrew press and, most importantly,
in cabinet discussions and government schemes and policies. (Nur
Masalha, A Land Without a People: Israel, Transfer and the
Palestinians 1949 - 96. London: Faber and Faber ltd., 1997, pp. 60 -
61)

New proposals for ethnic cleansing were outlined in an article
entitled "A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s", which appeared in the
World Zionist Organization's periodical Kivunim in February 1982. The
article was written by Oded Yinon, a journalist and analyst of Middle
Eastern affairs and former senior Foreign Ministry official.

In his article, Yinon called for Israel to bring about the dissolution
and fragmentation of the Arab states into a mosaic of ethnic
groupings. He called for a policy of Israel that aims at bringing
about "the dissolution of Jordan; the termination of the problem of
the [occupied] territories densely populated with Arabs west of the
[River] Jordan; and emigration from the territories, and economic-
demographic freeze in them." He added, "we have to be active in order
to encourage this change speedily, in the nearest time".

Yinon believed, like many advocates of transfer in Israel, that
"Israel has made a strategic mistake in not taking measures [of mass
expulsion] towards the Arab population in the new territories during
and shortly after the [1967] war.... Such a line would have saved us
the bitter and dangerous conflict ever since which we could have
already then terminated by giving Jordan to the Palestinians."

Moreover, Yinon suggested to encompass the whole Arab world, including
the imposition of a Pax Israela on, and the determination of the
destiny of, Arab societies: re invading Sinai and "breaking Egypt
territorially into separate geographical districts." As for the Arab
East: "...the total disintegration of Lebanon into five regional,
localized governments as the precedent for the entire Arab world...the
dissolution of Syria, and later Iraq, into districts of ethnic and
religious minorities...." (Ibid, pp. 196 - 198, citing Oded Yinon, A
Strategy for Israel in the 1980s, [Hebrew], Kivunim, Jerusalem, No.
14, February 1982, pp. 53 - 58)

Failure of the different efforts to "transfer" all the Palestinians
did not mean that such efforts were abandoned. Benjamin Netanyahu told
Bar-Ilan University students on 16 November 1989 that the government
had failed to exploit internationally favorable situations, to carry
out "large-scale" expulsions at a time when "the damage [to Israel's
public relations] would have been relatively small..." Netanyahu was
referring to the Tiananmen Square massacre in June 1989 when world
attention and the media were focused on China. He added, "I still
believe that there are opportunities to expel many people." Netanyahu
later denied making the remarks but the Jerusalem Post presented a
tape recording of his speech. (Ibid, p. 190, citing The Jerusalem
Post, 19 November, 1989; Michael Palumbo, Imperial Israel: The History
of the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, London: Bloomsbury
Publishing Ltd., 1990 pp. 302 - 303)

After decades of Zionist efforts, Arab "demographic threat" was still
haunting Israel. A conference was held on 19-20 December 2000 at the
Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya to deal with the issue. The
conference was the first of what became a series of annual conferences
dealing with the strength and security of Israel. A major part of the
recommendations was related with the 'demographic threat' posed by the
Arab citizens of Israel. (For a detailed account on the conference and
its recommendations see: The Herzliya Conference on the Balance of
National Strength and Security in Israel, Journal of Palestine
Studies, # 121, Volume XXXI, Number 1, Autumn 2001, pp. 50-61)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Israel Land Laws (Preliminary List)

1. 1943 Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance. Laws of the
State of Israel, Vol. 34, p. 190.
2. 1945 British Mandate Defense (Emergency Regulations). The Palestine
Gazette 1442, no. 2 (27 Sept. 1945): 1058.
3. 1948 Abandoned Areas Ordinance, Laws of the State of Israel, Vol.
1, Ordinances, 5708 (1948), p. 25-26.
4. 1948 Emergency Regulations Concerning Absentee Property, Laws of
the State of Israel, Vol. 1, Ordinances, 5708 (1948), p. 8.
5. 1949 Emergency Regulations (Security Zones), Laws of the State of
Israel, Vol. 3, 5079 (1949), p. 56.
6. 1949 Emergency Regulations (Cultivation of Waste [Uncultivated]
Lands), Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 2, 5709 (1948/49), pp.
71-77.
7. 1949 Emergency Law Requisition (Regulations) Law, Laws of the State
of Israel, Vol. 4, 5710 (1949/50), p. 3.
8. 1950 Absentees' Property Law, Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 4,
Ordinances, 5710 (1949/50), pp. 68-82.
9. 1950 Development Authority (Transfer of Property) Law, Laws of the
State of Israel, Vol. 4, Ordinances, 5710 (1949/50), p. 151.
10. 1951 State Property Law, Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 5, p.
45.
11. Amendment to the Emergency Land Requisition (Regulations) Law of
1949.
Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 6, 5712 (1951-1952), p. 103.
12. 1953 Land Acquisition (Validation of Acts and Compensation) Law,
Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 7, 5713 (1952/53), pp. 43-45.
13. Absentees' Property (Amendment) Law, 5716 (1956), Laws of the
State of Israel, Vol. 10, 5716 (1955-56), p. 31.
14. Amendment to the Emergency Land Requisition (Regulations) Law of
1949. Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 9, 5715 (1954-55), p. 109.
15. 1958 Prescription Law (No. 38), Laws of the State of Israel, Vol.
12 (1958), pp. 129-33.
16. 1965 Absentees' Property (Amendment No. 3) (Release and Use of
Endowment Property) Law, Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 19 (1953),
p. 55.
17. Israel Land Law 1969. Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 23, p.
283.
18. 1970 Legal and Administrative Matters (Regulation) Law
(Consolidated Version), Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 27 (1973),
p. 176.
19. 1976 Absentees' Property (Compensation) (Amendment) Law, Laws of
the State of Israel, (1976).
20. Land Acquisition (Validation of Acts and Compensation) Law, 7 Laws
of the State of Israel, 5713 (1952-1953), pp. 43-45.
21. The Negev Land Acquisition (Peace Treaty with Egypt) Law 1980,
Laws of the State of Israel, Vol. 34, p. 1990.





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 WOLFOWITZ IS A WAR CRIMINAL AND WILL PROBABLY HANG IF THEY HAD DEATH
PENALTY FOR WAR CRIMES IN EUROPE, FORTUNATELY FOR HIM, THEY DO NOT!

Some personal perceptions from "The Mark of Cain"
stopwar

This was highly depressing but very believable. It perfectly
identifies a military culture that is civilised on the surface, but
with a very dark underbelly encouraging mindless violence, bullying,
peer pressure to keep people in line, and "looking the other way"
officers offering subliminal approval.

I have no idea to what extent the military have always been like this,
but it certainly strikes home very powerfully how "loyalty" is used to
numb peoples' brains, so it is a very brave and independently-mind
person indeed who goes against the orthodoxy, even when it comes to
beating someone to death purely on hearsay. Reminder of the
"witchhunt" tendency brilliantly portrayed by Arthur Miller in "The
Crucible" but still clearly prevalent in Blair's military.

The moral is that for a British soldier in the 21st century, "loyalty"
is what matters, and never mind what atrocities are committed because
if they stick together with consistent stories they'll get away with
it. Those who are most effective at "inspiring" loyalty are promoted,
and those that question are ostracised, beaten up, or psychologically
tortured.

Also, that "intelligence" is used by those who "inspire loyalty" to
get soldiers to get involved in things they otherwise wouldn't, and of
course once they are "tainted" the system really has them by the
balls.

One soldier kills himself whilst on leave, as he has a conscience
about what he was tricked into doing and can't face it any longer. One
brave young man in the end resists all the peer pressure and tells all
to a military tribunal. He is beaten up, and his evidence is not taken
seriously because no-one else corroborates it. But he is the hero. And
in the circumstances quite rightly so.

Although it also shows positive sides to soldier activities, I
wouldn't have thought this would be used as an army recruitment film!

Good for Channel 4 for raising the issue. I'm sure it will be much
talked about in the UK - and hopefully in military establishment
circles. The fact that "The Mark of Cain" was banned for a week under
government pressure, and that week exposed to the public the culture
of lies the film was portraying, is an appropriate irony.

14 April 2007

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 "The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:19:25 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian
Subject: ISSY DAVIDOVITCH BERG, THE GREAT JEWISH INVENTOR
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 "The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: ISSY DAVIDOVITCH BERG, THE GREAT JEWISH INVENTOR
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 "The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich
Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region. In
1937, a second highpoint in the Great Purge, prisoners were sentenced
to death in conveyor-belt fashion, packed into trucks, taken to the
places of execution, shot in the back of the neck, and buried. In the
economic sense, Isay Berg found this method of liquidation
inefficient, time-consuming and cost-intensive. He, therefore, in 1937
designed the mobile asphyxiation chamber, the gassing truck (Russian:
dushegubka, p. 297). The doomed were loaded into a tightly sealed,
completely airtight Russian Ford; during the drive the deadly exhaust
>from a gasoline engine was directed into the section containing those
sentenced to death. Upon reaching the mass gravesite, the truck dumped
the corpses into the burial ditch."

Some other interesting quotes, that probably make this book
unpublishable in America:

"On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had
three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews
to the State's elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy.
First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian
traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything
Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last
taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically
liquidate the enemy."

"Solzhenitsyn lists the names of about fifty mass murderers, desk
criminals, and murderers of prisoners. (p. 300f.) Their first names
betray the ethnic origin of these monsters. Moise Framing, Mordichai
Chorus, Josef Khodorovsky, Isaak Solz, Naum Zorkin, Moise Kalmanovich,
Samuel Agurski, Lazar Aronstam, Israel Weizer, Aron Weinstein, Isaak
Grindberg, Sholom Dvoylazki, Max Daitsh, Yesif Dreiser, Samuel Saks,
Jona Jakir, Moise Kharitonov, Frid Markus, Solomon Kruglikov, Israel
Razgon, Benjamin Sverdlov, Leo Kritzman..."



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: THE WAY TO PEACE FOR MUSLIMS AND OTHERS
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   1.  Achieve Peace within you
   2. Conquer your Ego
   3. Walk away from conflict and arguments. Avoid conflicts in your
own family, be loving and caring. Children are very sensitive to
family feuds and such fights leave deep psychological scars on them.
   4. Have compassion for your fellow beings, especially those who are
oppressed
   5. Abandon all racism. Do not see people, as black, white, brown,
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Europeans, Americans, Latinos or
Chinese.
   6. Respect other people's cultures, religions, beliefs and do not
make judgements on them and their culture and their beliefs.
   7. Reduce your consumption of non-essential consumer goods, this
will stop exploitation and also hurt the pockets of the M/I complex.
It will not cause massive unemployment, since people will find other
means to survive. Have you not noticed the flea markets and food
stalls in many developing and industrial countries where formerly
unemployed people do thriving business? It may even open up people's
minds and their spirit of entrepreneurship and brotherhood.
   8. Buy your goods and services from small businesses, even if they
are slightly expensive, and make friends with your local small
businesses and build up a community spirit.
   9. Whenever it is possible do barter trade for your needs.
  10. Use your capital to start a business or a service and create
jobs, but do not become greedy and think of larger and larger
business, as that ultimately makes you into an oppressor, if you have
excess capital help someone else to become free and start up a
business or a service. Do not invest money in stocks, bonds and other
funds operated by the M/I complex, as they are used to oppress people.
  11. Start only healthy and non-exploitative businesses that will
help heal society and establish friendships and brotherhood.
  12. Think positive. Positive thinking regenerates your health and
mind, and that will save you lots of money in staying away from
harmful pharmaceuticals and doctors fees. If you are sick, then first
try to find alternative cures, they do take a bit long to heal you,
but they generally do not have major side effects and are cheaper. For
major problems, you can go to China or India where the costs of
medical service and medicines are a fraction of what you will pay in
most Western countries.
  13. Stay away from alcohol, cigarettes, drugs and all other
stimulants.
  14. Turn off your TV or throw it out
  15. Use the Internet to read your news from non-mainstream media.
Many good websites with alternative news and information, such as this
one.
  16. Set aside 1-2 hours a day for total relaxation and liberating
your mind from all thoughts. Blank your mind and let the cosmic
knowledge flow in.
  17.
  18. Go out in the nature and listen to the birds, and take a close
look at the plants and their anatomy. Observe and study animals in the
wild. Please don't go to the Zoo!  Here (http://www.hyahya.org/
m_download_api.php ), you can download some fantastic mind opening
videos FREE OF CHARGE! They also have free books and audio to
download.

Above are just a few tips to start extricating yourself from the
Matrix and you will start developing even more ways to free yourself
once you get started.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: THE WAY TO PEACE FOR MUSLIMS AND OTHERS
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On Apr 14, 6:56 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> little piece of shit, I can't believe you preach such lofty ideals, you
> clown, convinced racist. you have no shame, don't you, old senile liar. you
> still don't get it that you're the village idiot, in the company of 'benjy',

THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS, ARSEHOLE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: THE WAY TO PEACE FOR MUSLIMS AND OTHERS
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On Apr 14, 7:28 pm, "Gary Renzetti"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176592456.093892.152210@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...> On Apr 14, 6:56 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> >> little piece of shit, I can't believe you preach such lofty ideals, you
> >> clown, convinced racist. you have no shame, don't you, old senile liar.
> >> you
> >> still don't get it that you're the village idiot, in the company of
> >> 'benjy',
>
> > THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS, ARSEHOLE!
>
> Alex, there's lots of your stuff that I don't buy into, but that prick was
> "Barkeing" up the wrong tree to attack this post.
> Bow-fucking-wow, Barkye.

Thanks, coming from you it means much to me. You have to have thick
skin when it comes to addressing bigots



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Subject: Re: and why
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On Apr 14, 7:09 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> should I care that the bulk of the few of the Bolsheviks were Jews? What
> does it have to do with us, the rest of the Jewish nation?

I wish it was "few"! Unfortunately of the 370 bolsheviks who attended
the Bolshevik congress in St. Petersburg,in 1917, 300 were Jews. What
is more half of them were not Russian Jews, but English, German, and
American


> They were rejected by their families and the rest of the nation as
> apostates.

Bullshit they were.
>
> To put forth such a claim, as the senile village idiot, Alex, does, amounts
> to pure racism.

Next thing you will be telling me that Jews are a "race"
>
> Does Enron make the whole of Americans embezzlers and greedy fat cats? Of
> course not, and it's a shame even to presume so, but this is what the clown
> and his best friend, benjy, and all the other stinky rats here do.

Russian Jews were not a corporation, they were professional murderers.
Jews killed the Royal family by bayonetting them in the eyes. They
slaughtered my father's family by shooting them in the back of the
head, including the babes in arms.

>
> So do I need another proof that they are antisemites? No! They say it aloud
> all the time.

All you have to do is prove that Jews are semites




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On Apr 14, 6:51 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> shove your post in your you know where b/c 'bishara' is an occupier and an
> usurper of my land,

Palestina is not "your" land arsehole, the whole world knows whom
Palestine belongs to!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Apr 14, 6:56 pm, melchizedek 
wrote:
> Dan Barkye wrote:
> > My beloved Jewish brothers and sisters, as promised, I post the continuation
> > of the narration of the ongoing saga of the Noble Jewish Nation in its quest
> > for self-determination and self-emancipation.
>
> > In this quest we succeeded beyond belief, beyond any expectation, in a
> > manner that no other nation accomplished.
>
> > All this in a mere 110 years, all the while beleaguered by the false
> > claimers of the land, the so-called Palestinians, supported by the
> > left-fascists.
>
> > Hazak ve-Emats, am-Israel, v'Yishar-Coakh!
>
> > Long Live The Noble Jewish Nation!
>
> > Enjoy and Fight!
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > PALESTINE AS THE CENTRE OF THE DIASPORA
> > The position of the Jewish people at the time of the Arab invasion presents
> > a picture of tragic complexity. They had ceased to possess any measure of
> > political independence or national autonomy in their native land. Long
> > periods of repression and persecution had resulted in the emigration of
> > large sections and the growth of a far-flung Jewish Diaspora. By the
> > destruction of the Temple the nation had lost its central shrine. Important
> > centres of Jewish learning had sprung up in Mesopotamia. In Egypt and in the
> > Mediterranean islands, the Jews had come under the influence of Hellenistic
> > civilisation, and new systems of thought and spiritual movements had
> > resulted from such contact. Yet, in spite of all these developments,
> > Palestine retained the spiritual allegiance of the entire Jewish people. In
> > the theory and practice of Jewish law, as maintained throughout the
> > Diaspora, it remained the national centre. In saying his prayers the Jew,
> > wherever fate had exiled him, turned to the holy Mount of Moriah. The Jewish
> > liturgy was permeated by supplications for the gathering of the exiles and
> > the rebuilding of Jerusalem. At the mid night hour the devout Jew would
> > rise, sit on the floor and cover his head with ashes to mourn the
> > destruction of Zion and pray for its redemption. In the morning service he
> > would pray: "0 bring us in peace from the four corners of the earth and make
> > us go upright to our land," and the great central prayer of the Jewish
> > service recited in the morning, at mid-day and at night, contained fervent
> > supplications for the restoration of the exiles and the re-building of
> > Jerusalem "speedily and in our days". The days of fasting and mourning of
> > the Jews calendar are nearly all memorials of national disasters. "Next year
> > in Jerusalem" is the note upon which conclude the most solemn services of
> > the Jewish ritual, those of the Passover Night and of the Day of Atonement.
> > The national restoration forms the central theme in every service, public or
> > private, in the Sabbath prayers and the solemn liturgy of the high
> > festivals, in the grace after meals, at the consecration of a new house, in
> > the marriage service and in the memorial for the dead. The liturgical
> > formula of comfort to mourners is: "May the Lord comfort ye among all those
> > that mourn for Zion and Jerusalem". When the new-born was received into the
> > community a blessing was pronounced that he might "become worthy to ascend
> > in the holy pilgrimage of the three festivals", and when the dead was laid
> > to eternal rest a small sack of earth from Palestine was placed under his
> > head that he might rest in the soil of the land of Israel, a practice which
> > is still in general use to-day. At the marriage ceremony it was customary
> > for the bridegroom to put ashes on his head, so as to "set Jerusalem above
> > his chiefest joy". Similarly, the jewellery of the bridal dress was to be
> > incomplete, while an empty space. at the feast was to remind the guests of
> > mourning Jerusalem and of the defective status of the nation. Though
> > resident in far-off lands where climatic conditions differed widely from
> > those in Palestine, the Jew continued to pray for rain and to intercede for
> > dew at the seasons when the climate of Palestine demanded it but when such
> > prayers were utterly meaningless in the land of his sojourn. And whatever
> > beautiful synagogues he might build in distant countries, the ruin of the
> > Wailing Wall in Jerusalem remained to him the holiest site on earth.
> > Similarly, the return to Zion formed the central theme in the Hebrew
> > literature of the exile. Elaborate treatises were written and continue to be
> > written to this day on the subject of religious rites which cannot be
> > performed outside Palestine, on the law of the first fruits and the
> > gleanings, of the tithe and of the seventh year, of the heave-offering and
> > the shekel dues. Truly was it said by Benjamin Disraeli: "The vineyards of
> > Israel have ceased to exist, but the eternal Law enjoins the children of
> > Israel still to celebrate the vintage. A race that persists in celebrating
> > their vintage although they have no fruits to gather will regain their
> > vineyards".
> > Hardly less significant are the provisions of Talmudic law, elaborated
> > during this period and in force ever since, regarding the priority of
> > Palestine in legal relations, religious and secular. A man is not allowed to
> > force his wife to move with him from Palestine to a foreign country even
> > though in Palestine he may have stayed in a place where Jews are few, while
> > abroad he might live in a town with a Jewish majority. If, however, he goes
> > to settle in Palestine and she refuses to accompany him he can divorce her.
> > Rabbinical law in general discourages emigration from Palestine save in
> > exceptional circumstances. It is permitted even on the Sabbath, when all
> > other business transactions are prohibited, to enter into a contract for the
> > purchase of a house in Palestine. Innumerable are the Talmudical sayings in
> > praise of Palestine: "He who has walked four yards in Palestine is assured
> > to a place in the world to come". "It is better to dwell in the deserts of
> > Palestine than in palaces abroad". "It is sinful to spread evil reports
> > about Palestine". "The merit of residence in Palestine equals that of the
> > fulfilment (sic; DB.) of all the commandments of Divine Law". "Rabbi Abba
> > used to kiss the stones of Acco. Rabbi Hiyyah would roll in its dust, as it
> > is written: 'for thy servants take pleasure in her stones and love her dust'."
> > (Psalm CII, 15). "God says: dearer to me is a small group of students in
> > Palestine than a large Sanhedrin abroad". "The air of Palestine bestows
> > wisdom". "Rabbi Jose said to his son: if thou wouldst behold the Divine
> > Presence in this life-go and study the Torah in Palestine".
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Next ch. - "PALESTINE AFTER THE ARAB INVASION (637-1096)"
>
> > Dan
>
>      But we Canaanites were her lONG before the first Goat Fucking
> Israelites infiltrated our land.
>   M.

There is nothing in the world that proves that Israel ever existed



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - f
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 You can also put this in the archeology column and perhaps the
atheism column. The quick summary is prior to the time of the Book of
Ezra archeology has either failed to confirm or flatly contradicted
just about every critical issue in the Old Testament.

The itemized version is that there is no evidence of the existence of
not only Adam and Eve which most people generally accept but none of
Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon or any of the other people mentioned.
Nor is there any evidence of any of the events or situations
described. Not only no evidence of a Solomon or his temple but also no
evidence the Jerusalem even existed at the time.

>From what has been learned by archaeologists, what few particulars
there are about Egypt in Exodus are flat out wrong. The kingdom of
Solomon simply did not exist. Despite digging by Israel there is no
sign of any Temple of Solomon. Not only that the description of
Solomon is nearly identical to that a one of the Pharaohs who is well
known, making Solomon the copy.

And the Wailing Wall that is supposed to be a remaining wall of the
second temple was identified as the wall of a 17th century cemetery
some three seconds before the researcher's archaeological research
permit was pulled. That leads to the rather clear conclusion the
entire confrontation over East Jerusalem and the so called temple
mount by the Jews is no more than a superstition which has ignited the
hostilities in the Mideast.

The Tomb of Joseph is the tomb of a 17th century Caliph. There was a
mosque there before the recent destruction of the jewish building on
the site.

What is known about the countries that form the eastern shore of the
Mediterranean is that they were always under the control of some other
nation, Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Greece, Rome or whichever was the
power in the region at the time.

In Egyptian, the word for throne is "Is." Ra was the chief god of
Egypt. El was the chief god of the region. The region that was known
as the Throne of Ra and El, Israel.

Despite a massive archaeological search of the Sinai Peninsula when
Israel controlled it, not one sign of the millions of people and
animals which supposedly wandered there for forty years was ever
found. Should anyone ever consider the actual distances involved
between Egypt and Jerusalem it is noted it is a leisurely five days
walk away.

Just the two million Hebrews in the Exodus would form a line three
abreast with the ranks five feet apart from the Nile to Jerusalem.
That is not counting their slaves and animals, carts of possessions or
anything else. They could have moved their possessions simply by
passing them from person to person in a bucket brigade fire chain from
Egypt to Israel.

With the collapse of the Moses story the entire foundation of Judaism,
Christianity and Islam collapses. There simply no basis for them
absent Moses. Even Abraham collapses as since there was no leaving
Egypt there was no going there in the first place. But that has been
obvious to anyone who ever bothered to critically consider the story.

The story goes that seventy-seven of Joseph's relatives went to Egypt
>from what is now Iraq. In a miracle of procreation they grew to 2
million in a bit over four hundred years. Yet they speak a language
native to the region of Palestine rather than Egyptian or the language
of ancient Iraq. And that language was never their native language.
That is like expecting Blacks in America to speak their native Africa
languages.

In addition to not speaking Egyptian there is no evidence of any
borrowed words from Egyptian which is truly remarkable. Nor is there
any indication of any talent, skill, or knowledge from Egypt. In fact
was archaeologists do find in the region is a quite primitive culture
with some indication the people were originally nomads, Bedouins, who
attacked and defeated the cities and settled down.

Where they came from and where they got their religion we don't know
yet. Genetic research has found those who claim to be the priests and
those who do not make that claim came from different places as the
priests have a distinctive genetic marker that could only have
developed in reproductive isolation. The book of Ezra does include
importing the religion to the region.

It is also about that time of Ezra that archaeologists find signs of
images being defaced which indicates the destruction of the old
polytheist religion. And that coincides with the time of the rise of
monotheist cults such as Zoroaster and Mithra.

Archaeologists have confirmed the people were polytheists as the Bible
says in no uncertain terms. The first commandment says clearly, no
other gods and not false gods or any other terms which would indicate
he was the only god. The term 'lord god' in the Old Testament is a
false translation of 'Yahweh Elohim.' A more correct translation is
Yahweh (personal name) of the Gods. Note the Elohim related to israEL.

Sacrificial altars are found all over the region. As inscription
referring to Astarte as the consort of Yahweh has been found. Solid
evidence that Astarte was worshiped by the women exists in the form of
idols of Astarte and her worship continuing at least into the middle
of the second century, about 150AD. What we find then is separate
cults for men and women. Comparing that to what the Old Testament is
constantly ranting about and we see it bears no relationship to the
facts.

In other words the religion we know as Judaism was not created until
sometime around or after the time of Ezra save the Astarte cult
continued well into the second century AD and not in secret but was
widespread and many places in Jerusalem. This is known by the idols of
Astarte which have been found frequently and commonly "in the shadow
of" the Temple Mount.

>From carefully comparing what is written in the Old Testament to the
facts as they are know suggests they were also written around the time
of Ezra which was just after the Babylonian captivity. That explains
why Pharaoh's court and priests behave like the Babylonian court and
priests instead of like those in Egypt. There is reference in Exodus
to a city in Egypt that was not built until hundreds of years after
Exodus is supposed to have taken place.

None of this is a secret. In fact it is well known to biblical
archaeologists. Unfortunately funding for research is largely raised
>from people and organizations with an interest in confirming the
Bible. Therefore the researchers have one well hedged story for their
contributors and another one for professional publications.

For example where a professional paper will open with a paragraph
hinting at a biblical connection, perhaps naming a city or landmark.
The next paragraph will rather clearly cite the discrepancies which
will clearly indicate the first paragraph has no foundation. The rest
of the paper will report real archeology. But to contributors the
first paragraph gets expanded into an entire talk.

That is to be expected. This year there have been two examples of it.
The first was a sonar return of the bottom of the Dead Sea that found
two mounds that are shaped something like what buried cities look like
on the ground. Nothing more was found. The press hype was that it was
Sodom and Gomorrah. There is absolutely no evidence of that or any
connection to anything named in the Old Testament.

The other example was confirming that there are remains of buildings
at the bottom of the Black Sea. The hype for that was calling it proof
of the flood of Noah in Genesis. Even if some day that should be found
to be correct, it demonstrates there is no truth in the story in
Genesis.

But it is the kind of hype people want to hear and it is the kind of
hype which raises public funding. And even more, the researchers do
not have to exaggerate or deceive as with all the hype they need only
say "thought to be" or "as heard in the news" and believers will fill
in the rest. Most people are like agent Moulder of The X-Files, they
want to believe.

Reactions to the above are quite interesting. The first reaction of
many people is to accuse the teller, to attack the messenger. Atheist,
anti-Christian, anti-semitic are not uncommon usually laced with dire
warnings of hell in the afterlife. I presume if there were more
Muslims around it would also be called anti-Islamic.

Yet all I have pointed out including recent hype this year can be
easily read by anyone who cares to do so. Anyone who simply remembers
the two articles in the news would note there was no support for the
claims in the headline and lead paragraph. But they will carry with
them a memory of the hype not of the facts.

The supposed location of Solomon's Temple has been repeated so many
times and has been featured in context of the current fighting in the
illegally occupied territories that it is quite reasonable for people
to believe it is true. It is so ingrained the reporters don't even
bother saying it is the believed or supposed location.

And as to the Wailing Wall being the remains of the second temple that
flies in the face of another commonly held belief, that the Romans
leveled the temple when the rebuilt the city. Ridiculously inefficient
to have left part of one of the walls standing. Roman completely
rebuilt the city and brought it things like running water and
sanitation. Under what conceivable circumstances would they leave just
one wall?

In another article I point out that the entire Diaspora consists
solely of the Romans prohibiting the Judeans (not all Jews just
Judeans) from living inside the rebuilt city. Yet the common belief,
which is solely pious legend, is that they were forced to leave all of
Israel. That flat out never happened.

So Israel got started on a myth that Jews were forced to leave and had
wandered the earth without a home. Fact, they left voluntarily. And
now the current round of fighting over the mythical temple of the
mythical Solomon.

The issue can not be the second temple as by their own beliefs there
was never anything sacred in it. The Ark, judgment seat and the rest
of sacred paraphernalia had long vanished. And in light of the above,
that Moses is a total myth, so also the Exodus and the idea the sacred
paraphernalia ever existed.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: OH, WELL, THEY DON'T COUNT, THEY ARE ONLY LIMEYS
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Two British soldiers have been killed in a mid-air collision between
two military helicopters in Iraq.



Defence Secretary Des Browne said initial reports suggested the crash
north of Baghdad was an accident and not caused by an insurgent
attack.

He added: "Sadly, two personnel have died and one is very seriously
injured.

"All of these were UK personnel. My thoughts and sympathy are with
them and their families."

Next-of-kin have already been informed about the deaths, he said.


Many American helicopters have been shot down in the area.

It had been reported that the helicopters were American, but it has
now been confirmed they were British.

Meanwhile, at least 18 people were killed and 50 wounded when two car
bombs exploded in quick succession in a mostly Shi'ite neighbourhood
in southwestern Baghdad.

The blasts took place in al-Shurta al-Rabeia near a popular market.

Yesterday, a suicide bomber killed dozens of people and wounded more
than 150 near a bus station and market close to one of Shi'ite Islam's
holiest shrines in Karbala.

A bridge was also bombed, killing 10 people.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1260652,00.html?f=rss


Two die as UK helicopters crash

Two British helicopters have crashed in an apparent mid-air collision
in Iraq, killing two military personnel and seriously injuring
another.

Defence Secretary Des Browne said initial reports suggested the crash
north of Baghdad was an accident and not caused by an insurgent
attack.

The Puma helicopters came down in the early hours in a rural area near
Taji, site of a large US base.

The BBC understands they were taking part in a special forces mission.


Puma helicopters

Puma helicopters - mainly used to transport troops and equipment - are
normally flown by the RAF.

However a Ministry of Defence spokesman would not confirm which
service or regiment the dead personnel belonged to.

Earlier reports had incorrectly identified the crashed helicopters as
American.


Investigation under way

In a statement, Mr Browne said: "Now that next of kin have been
informed, I can confirm that the two helicopters reported this morning
as having crashed north of Baghdad earlier today were, in fact, both
UK helicopters.

"Sadly, two personnel have died and one is very seriously injured. All
of these were UK personnel.

"Initial reports indicate that the crash was an accident and was not a
result of an attack by insurgents.

"An investigation is under way and I will not comment further on the
details of the incident at this stage."

Prime Minister Tony Blair said it was a "terrible time" for the
families of the two UK service personnel who had died, but insisted
British foreign policy was "justified and right".

The two deaths bring the total number of British fatalities since the
2003 invasion of Iraq to 142.

Meanwhile, British troops have been involved in more fighting with a
Shia militia group in the southern Iraqi city of Basra.

Five gunmen from the Mehdi army militia are thought to have been
killed in an exchange of fire.

It follows an incident on Friday night when British forces killed
eight members of the militia as they were apparently laying mines.

The incident was in the same area where a British Warrior armoured
vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb eleven days ago, killing four
troops and their Iraqi interpreter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6557183.stm
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Lawsuit: Recognize 2nd generation as Holocaust victims
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On Apr 14, 10:05 pm, "J Young"  wrote:
> Is this something that the Jews plan on cashing in on forever and a
> day? It's like the Swiss banking fiasco. The moment it was announced
> that monies would be forthcoming, millions of "survivors" popped out
> of the woodwork. Give it a break already; have your little memorial
> services and leave the rest of us alone.
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3387483%2C00.html
>
> Lawsuit: Recognize 2nd generation as Shoah victims
>
> Children of survivors plan to file class action against German
> government, demanding that it recognize traumas caused by childhood in
> shadow of Holocaust
>
> More than 60 years after the Holocaust, the children of the survivors
> are demanding compensation from the German government for their
> suffering.

LOOKS LIKE GERMANS ARE SUCKERS FOR PUNISHMENT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: THE WAY TO PEACE FOR MUSLIMS AND OTHERS
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On Apr 15, 10:48 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 6:56 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> > > little piece of shit, I can't believe you preach such lofty ideals,
> > > you clown, convinced racist. you have no shame, don't you, old
> > > senile liar. you still don't get it that you're the village idiot,
> > > in the company of 'benjy',
>
> > THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS, ARSEHOLE!
>
> You just don't get it Alex- you are everything you say a good muslim
> shouldn't be.
> You demonstrate the fact  on a daily basis in these ngs.
> You really seem to have a total lack of insight regarding yourself.

REALLY? MAYBE YOU KNOW ME BETTER THAN I KNOW MYSELF/ YOU JEWS WANT5 TO
LIVE AMONGST THE MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU WANT TO
DESTROY THEM



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On Apr 15, 10:50 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 6:56 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> > > little piece of shit, I can't believe you preach such lofty ideals,
> > > you clown, convinced racist. you have no shame, don't you, old
> > > senile liar. you still don't get it that you're the village idiot,
> > > in the company of 'benjy',
>
> > THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS, ARSEHOLE!
>
> Know thyself ! Set an example.
There is absolutely nothing I am ashamed of. Allahu Akbar!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: LYING COWARDLY LIMEY BASTARDS
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A Greek-Cypriot member of the European Parliament has written a letter
to Britain Prime Minister Tony Blair criticizing the way London
handled the issue of 15 British marines and sailors who were held in
Iran for entering Iran's territorial waters illegally.


"The recent surrender, without the slightest attempt, or even thought
of resistance of the fifteen fully armed British marines to the
Iranian forces, was a humiliating affair by any military standards,"

wrote MEP Dr Marios Matsakis, an ex-commissioned of ficer of the
British reserve forces..

"The decision of the Iranian authorities to free all fifteen British
soldiers unconditionally just before Easter, was a very pleasant
surprise to us all and a very happy ending in a very unfortunate
affair that, was drawn completely out of proportion, not least because
of bad handling by your government,"

said the European lawmaker's letter dated April 11.

The attempt by Blair's government, noted the letter,

"through a suitable debriefing, to portray the fifteen British marines
as heroes and get them, in order to save face both for themselves and
for your government, after their safe return home, to come up with
allegations of ill treatment by the Iranians and cheap excuses of
their behavior before and during their captivity, is just not
convincing to anyone and only contributes to make yours and their
unwise humiliation even greater".

SM

http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=235063&n=22



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: survivors leave israel for germany
Date: 16 Apr 2007 05:48:21 -0700
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On Apr 16, 7:14 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 16-Apr-2007, "Heinrich"  wrote:
>
> > "B'inyamin Cramer"  schreef in bericht
> >news:BqednWyWlOcQz77bnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > "Heinrich"  wrote in message
> > >news:58h1gdF2g8idaU1@mid.individual.net...
> > >> Holocaust survivors have left Israel to live out the rest of their days
>
> > >> in Germany due to the better conditions they receive there, according
> > >> to
> > >> a documentary program broadcast Tuesday night by Israel's Channel 2
> > >> television.
>
> > > Closer to the bank vaults?
> > def.much closer to the Union Bank of Switzerland, Bahnhofstrasse in
> > Zuerich
>
> Nice of the 2 of you to so freely admit that the Swiss took the Jews' money.
>
> Susan

Jews had no money in Swiss, arsehole. They are just good at
deceiving.One of the poorest people of European East were Jews



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ANTISEMITES ON BOARD TRULY IDIOTS
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On Apr 16, 2:10 am, "kinsship"  wrote:
> FIRST OFF JEWS SHOULD KNOW ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION
> HAS BROUGHT MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS TO OUR NATION... VERY FEW JEWS KNOW THAT..
> SEE THE UPSWING IN HATE ON THESE BOARDS?

Ehamdulellah, America is blessed! Allahu Akbar



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Israel is attacked by "terrorists" only because it is "western and democratic was Re: ZIONAZIS AT THE CENTER OF 911 TERROR
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On Apr 16, 4:43 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 15-Apr-2007, BernardZ  wrote:
>
> > > Netanyahu's thesis is that Israel is attacked by "terrorists" only
> > > because it is "western and democratic," like European nations and the
> > > United States. For this reason, Netanyahu says, Americans and
> > > Europeans need to join the fight against those who are opposed to the
> > > Zionist state of Israel.
>
> > How can any sane person disagree with this?
>
> I guess I have to agree, even tho' my initial reaction is to say that
> Israel is also attacked by terrorists because it's the JOOOOISH state.
> Because the minute I say that, even to myself, it dawns on me that
> that the terrorists would attack a Xian nation, or any nation NOT
> Muslim, there.
>
> Susan

YOU MEAN: "TERRORIST ISRAEL ATTACKED BY THOSE THEY TERM TERRORISTS"



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWS WHO ARE CRIMINALS ARE LEAST IN PERCENTAGES
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On Apr 16, 2:16 am, "kinsship"  wrote:
> THEY ARE IN JAIL SO RARE THAT WHEN JEWS DO WRONG THE OTHERS HAVE TO TELL THE
> WORLD AS IF TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE  BETTER... THE PROBLEM IS THE PEOPLE WHO
> HATE FORGET TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OWN RELIGION CAUSE OF HATE AND CRIME WHICH
> FAR EXCEEDS USUALLY JEWS IN MOST GOVERNMENTS IN THE WORLD FOR THE LAST FIFTY
> YEARS AND COMBINED WITH JEWS USUALLY BEING THE MOST EDUCATED IN PERCENTAGES
> IS WAY TOO MUCH FOR HATE MONGERS TO ACCEPT SOO THEY TALK ABOUT THE HUNDREDS
> OF CRIMES JEWS COMMIT NOT THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MURDERS OR TERROR OR
> DECREES OF HOLY WAR THEY YEARN FOR IN THIS LIFE... ONE A LIFE OF GOOD INTENT
> THE OTHER ONE OF HATE...

I UNDERSTAND THAT KARMI, THE JEW  WHO SMUGGLED 167 NUCLEAR  BOMB
TRIGGERS WAS ALLOWED TO SERVE HIS TIME IN A RABBI'S HOUSE. MAYBE JEWS
JUST HAVE FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEWS WHO ARE CRIMINALS ARE LEAST IN PERCENTAGES
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On Apr 16, 12:26 pm, "kinsship"  wrote:
> is that the same as smuggling out nuclear technology ala pakistan? Is it the
> same as over 200000 terrorist attacks in the last six years,

ARE THEY THE ATTACKS PERPETRATED BY GEORGE BUSH OR JUST THOSE
PERPETRATED BY ISRAELIS? THEY ARE THE ONLY TERRORISTS I KNOW/ YOU HAVE
TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE DEFENDING THEIR COUNTRY AGAINST THE SAVAGES
CAN NEVER BE CALLED TERRORISTS

 not counting
> the total victim count?

LET ME THINK:
VIETNAM ABOUT 5 MILLION DEAD
PANAMA 100,000 DEAD
IRAQ CLOSE TO ONE MILLION DEAD
U.S. HAS STARTED 120 WARS IN THE PAST 200 YEARS

How many places are your friends fighting and
> killing in , seriously?

MY FRIENDS ARE KILLING NOBODY, IT IS YOUR FRIENDS THAT TORTURE, RAPE
AND KILL

 Everywhere? You know the guy shooting up Virgnia
> tech and the shooting mall in Salt Lake City and the Seattle federation
> building... we know one thing.. they ain't jews.9/11 weren'
>   jews,,,

NOR DID I SUGGEST THAT. THEY ARE CRIMINALS. GEORGE BUSH IS THE BIGGEST
CRIMINAL OF ALL!

whats going on in Iraq .. no jews..., the guys who people pay to
> look at their children.. doctors?
BULLSHIT!

They are jews... You see jews lke life
> unlike you.. who think the world owes you an advantage cause you hate so
> much?
I HATE NOBODY YOU STUPID DRONGO, NOT EVEN JEWS

Wrongo."Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176728594.258867.309300@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 16, 2:16 am, "kinsship"  wrote:
> >> THEY ARE IN JAIL SO RARE THAT WHEN JEWS DO WRONG THE OTHERS HAVE TO TELL
> >> THE
> >> WORLD AS IF TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE  BETTER... THE PROBLEM IS THE PEOPLE
> >> WHO
> >> HATE FORGET TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OWN RELIGION CAUSE OF HATE AND CRIME
> >> WHICH
> >> FAR EXCEEDS USUALLY JEWS IN MOST GOVERNMENTS IN THE WORLD FOR THE LAST
> >> FIFTY
> >> YEARS AND COMBINED WITH JEWS USUALLY BEING THE MOST EDUCATED IN
> >> PERCENTAGES
> >> IS WAY TOO MUCH FOR HATE MONGERS TO ACCEPT SOO THEY TALK ABOUT THE
> >> HUNDREDS
> >> OF CRIMES JEWS COMMIT NOT THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MURDERS OR TERROR OR
> >> DECREES OF HOLY WAR THEY YEARN FOR IN THIS LIFE... ONE A LIFE OF GOOD
> >> INTENT
> >> THE OTHER ONE OF HATE...
>
> > I UNDERSTAND THAT KARMI, THE JEW  WHO SMUGGLED 167 NUCLEAR  BOMB
> > TRIGGERS WAS ALLOWED TO SERVE HIS TIME IN A RABBI'S HOUSE. MAYBE JEWS
> > JUST HAVE FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: I'm not gonna let you go, Alex the Liar
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On Apr 16, 3:16 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> The man in your purposefully wrongly interpreted article about Iraq security
> contractors the man's name is "isirelic", no sign of any resemblance to the
> noble name of my Jewish nation. One.

JEWS ARE NOT  A NATION, IDIOT, EVEN A RABBI WILL TELL YOU THAT



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Stalin's Jewish roots
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On Apr 16, 2:37 pm, "Parsifal"  wrote:
> On 16 Apr., 20:23, "J Young"  wrote:
>
> > [ The following is for informational purposes only ]
>
> Do you  seriously think we don't see your game, nazi turd?
>
>
>
> > In the Georgian language "shvili" means son of, or son, as in Johnson.
> > "Djuga" means Jew. Therefore Djugashvili means Jewison.
>
> > So Joe Stalin's real name, before he changed it, was Joe Jewison. It
> > gets better, his name was Joseph David Djugashvili, a typical Jewish
> > name. During his revolutionary days he changed his name to "Kochba",
> > the leader of the Jews during one of the anti-Roman uprisings of the
> > Jews. Russians don't change their names. Georgians don't change their
> > names. Jews change their names.
>
> What's your fucking point, nazi turd?
>
> Do you any interest in life besides antisemitism, homophobia and
> bigotry, nazi turd?

THE POINT IS THAT JEWS THROUGH CHEKA, SLAUGHTERED 100 MILLION RUSSIANS
AND UKRAINIANS. THE POINT ALSO IS THAT JEWS STOLE THE WEALTH OF RUSSIA
AND TOOK IT TO ISRAEL.



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 FUCK YOU BARKIE. RUSSIANS WILL NEVER OWN PALESTINE. OUT OF THE LAND
OF SHAM, SCUM!



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Let's see if you have the courage and honesty to apologize
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On Apr 16, 8:22 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > YOU ARE THE LIAR BARKY. NO FIJIAN WOULD EVER NAME HIS OFSPRING
> > "ISRAEL" EXCEPT A FIJIAN JEW.
>
> > AND THERE IS SUCH AN ANIMAL.
>
> Realloy?
> 52% of Fijians are Christian and I met a Fijian called 'Israel' in Fiji- he
> was a member of the hotel's staff.
  What fucking hotel, bimbo?  You probably stayed in one of Suva's Jew
owned flophouses.

I stayed at Trade Winds and on the Shipwreck Island.  The Irish Paddy
who owns the Nadi Hotel near the airport is a friend of mine



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:19:43 EDT 2007
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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: POLL: Should pro-Muslim groups' fundraising be monitored
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On Apr 16, 9:47 pm, J Young  wrote:
> Why are these people allowed to do any fundraising should have been
> the question.
 FOR THE SAME FUCKING REASON THAT YOU FUND RAISE, IDIOT! IT IS THEIR
MONEY, NOT YOURS.

BESIDES YOU CAN KNEEL DOWN BEFORE YOU KIS A MUSLIM ARSE!



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From: Venceremos 
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  THEY USED TO CALL ME "ANTI SEMITE" BECAUSE I DID NOT LIKE JEWS, NOW
THEY CALL ME AN ANTI SEMITE BECAUSE JEWS DO NOT LIKE ME.

People talk with liberty about Muslim extremists, and Christian
fundamentalists; but they stop short of uttering the forbidden word
"Jewish extremists"

We as people who desire justice, and long for peace; and we as human
race can never achieve equality without applying the same criteria and
standards for ALL ; and that should also include any other ideology,
not only religious one, but also we must acknowledge that there are
secular extremists, and atheists fundamentalists, Marxist extremists...
etc.

The other important point that should be recognized is the way the
holocaust was "hijacked" by the Zionists, and became almost like an
exclusive Jewish property, which we all know is not a true
presentation of history or the truth of WW2.

Not only that it became exclusively Jewish , but there is an aura of
holiness and sacredness that surrounds the whole subject, and shrouded
it with reverence.

This can lead to some serious problematic issues; as it might appear
to a non-Jewish observer as favouritism: "Jewish people get a special
treatment, as they insist on demanding that the world must acknowledge
their suffering as being unique, sacred, and special".

All humanity had suffered through history, recent, past, and ancient
times.

No one could claim that the suffering of one group is more special,
unique, or sacred than the suffering of others.

If Jewish people keep insisting that the world must see their
suffering as "special", "unique" and "above the suffering of all
others", It can only confirm the views of some people who perceive the
Jewish people view themselves as "special", "unique" or "chosen".

You see , my dear friend; people could freely criticise and disapprove
of Islam and the Muslims, and that is their right.

People could pass judgment on Christianity and Christians without fear
of any allegation, and that is their right.

People could freely disapprove of Communists, Marxists, and
Anarchists... etc, and that is their right.

But if you try to voice the faintest criticism of Jewish people or
Judaism you are in deep deep trouble. The label "anti-Semitic" would
haunt you forever.

People could also say -without fear of any accusation, blame, or
criminalisation- that they don't like Islamic extremists, or Hamas,
Hezbollah or Christian fundamentalists.

But if you dare say that about Jewish fundamentalists, you risk being
charged with anti-Semitism.

The Jewish left don't mind criticising Zionism, but they would have
fits if you referred to Zionists as Jewish fundamentalists, Jewish
terrorist, Jewish fascists, Jewish extremists- which -unfortunately-
they are.

Why is that so?

What is it that makes people so extra sensitive, with a real blind
spot when it comes to this issue?

Why can't people feel free to examine and disagree with some aspect of
Jewish life or Judaism like they do with all other ideologies?

(Of course as long as it is all done in an intellectual, academic
mannerism, not in an abusive, insulting or ridiculing way)

Making these issues a taboo would force people to start questioning:

With freedom of thought people doubt/question God, which for many is
the Most Holy of all.

Why is it then that Judaism, the Jewish people and the holocaust -
unlike anything else in the world- are so sacred and holy that no one
is allowed to doubt, examine, or criticise?

If people try to include the suffering of other groups during
holocaust memorials, or if they attempted to compare the suffering of
other groups to the suffering of Jewish people there would be uproar.

Can you see, dear friend, that there is so much hypocrisy and double
standards in this?

My worry is that ignoring these issues by the Jewish left are very
counter productive, and it would only raise other people's suspicion
and discomfort -to say the least- with the special treatment that the
Jewish people are demanding for themselves.

If Jewish people want to eradicate/ minimize anti Semitism, they must
firstly accept to be treated equally like the rest of humanity:
1) They must accept with tolerance any intellectual criticism of
Israel as a Jewish state, to Zionism as a Jewish extremist ideology,
to Judaism as religion. For this is what freedom of expression is all
about, and all should be included; as long as this freedom is not used
to abuse, insult, lie about, slander, or ridicule the other.

2) They must stop the claim of the exclusiveness of their "suffering"
whether historical or more recent (the holocaust); for all humanity
suffered through the ages and during WW2.

3) They must stop divining the holocaust making it exclusively Jewish,
untouchable and beyond any scholarly studies, converting it into a
sacred religion.


4) They must accept to live under the same umbrella of principles that
apply to the rest of humanity.


Dear friend,

Double standard and hypocrisy makes people angry.

Having a set of rules for the world and another for Jewish people
makes people suspicious and paranoid, for why don't Jewish people
refuse to be treated like the rest of the world.

The Jewish extremists (Zionists) believe/want the world to believe
that the Jewish people are chosen, special, unique, light onto the
nations.

The people of the world have the right to not believe that the Jewish
people are chosen, unique, or light onto the nations, for ALL PEOPLE
ARE EQUAL.

The Jewish left believe/ wants the world to believe that the suffering
of, and the racism against the Jewish people is unique; but all people
suffered and still are, all people face racism and still are.

The people of the world have the right to believe that the suffering
of the Jewish people is not unique.

Acknowledging the fact that anti-Semitism is one form of racism, and
not a unique form of racism is very important too.

Therefore it is vital that the progressive Jewish voices do
acknowledge that Jewish people are no better or worse than other
humans, and that their suffering is no better or worse than the
suffering of others.

The sooner the Jewish people acknowledge these issues, the better.

The sooner they accept to be treated exactly like everyone else, and
not as a unique case in every thing, the better; for the Jewish people
first and for our world.

With all my love

nahida



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Papal Envoy in Israel Backs Off Boycott Threat
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On Apr 16, 2:57 pm, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
> Papal Envoy in Israel Backs Off Boycott Threat
>
> Jerusalem, Apr. 16, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The Vatican's representative in
> the Holy Land attended a Holocaust memorial ceremony in Jerusalem on
> April 15, backing off a threat to boycott the event because of criticism
> of Pope Pius XII.
>
> Archbishop Antonio Franco participated in the remembrance ceremonies at
> Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial. The papal nuncio said that he had
> lodged an objection against the negative treatment of Pope Pius XII at
> Yad Vashem, and received a promise that the museum would reconsider its
> portrayal of the wartime Pontiff.
>
> Archbishop Franco stressed that he had not intended to distance himself
> from the ceremonies honoring Holocaust victims, nor to create friction
> in relations between the Vatican and Israel. His goal was purely to
> protest the treatment of Pius XII, he said, and since the museum had
> taken note of his protest, "I attained my goal."
>
> Avner Shalev, the president of Yad Vashem, welcomed the archbishop's
> decision, saying that participation in the Sunday-night ceremony was
> "the just thing to do." He said that the museum's portrayal of Pope Pius
> XII is "a complex question," but promised that directors of the memorial
> would "examine new documentation that comes to light on the matter."
>
> In a formal statement released to the press, the Yad Vashem
> administration said that the archbishop's threatened boycott was
> "inappropriate." The statement added that the museum "presents the
> historical truth on Pope Pius XII as it is known to scholars today."
>
> The papal nuncio had lodged his protest quietly last week, in a letter
> to the directors of Yad Vashem, pointing out that the museum's treatment
> of Pius XII is at odds with the opinions of both contemporary historians
> and Jewish leaders of the wartime generation, who recognized the Pope's
> efforts to save Jews. The archbishop's complaint was made public by the
> museum's administrators.

Everybody is scared of Jew!



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From: Venceremos 
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Capuano and Kucinich Come Clean About the Lobby
Why is the Peace Movement Silent About AIPAC?
By JOHN WALSH

"AIPAC!" was the forceful one-word answer of Congressman Michael
Capuano when we asked him, "Why was the Iran clause forbidding war on
Iran without Congressional approval taken out of the recent
supplemental for the Iraq war funding?" I nearly fell out of my chair
at his reply - not because this was news but because of who had just
said it. Capuano is a close ally of Nancy Pelosi, her fixer and
enforcer. That was last Friday morning when a small delegation from
Cambridge and Somerville, MA, were visiting the Congressman, known for
his bluntness, as part of the nationwide UFPJ (United For Peace and
Justice) home lobbying effort during the Congressional recess.

Later that day, Dennis Kucinich made an appearance at Harvard, where
he was asked the same question, the reason for removing the Iran
provision. "AIPAC," I volunteered out loud. Kucinich looked my way and
said, "Exactly." Again my chair almost failed to contain me.

A few weeks earlier we had gone to the offices of Senators Kennedy and
then Kerry to discuss the war. (My intention was to call their
attention to www.FilibusterForPeace.org to which the Kennedy aide was
sympathetic and the Kerry aide predictably hostile.) I raised the
question of AIPAC directly with Kerry's aide, inquiring about its
hawkish influence on Kerry and other Senators. Suddenly the aide was
quite engaged. Leaning forward, he said: "That will never be discussed
publicly. That will never be discussed publicly." Clearly even Kerry's
office is unhappy with the pressure that comes from AIPAC.

It is widely acknowledged that the reps and senators are ticked at
AIPAC, and their hostility seems to be growing these days. With
upwards of 60% of their campaign contributions coming directly or
indirectly from the Israel Lobby, the Democratic congressmen are not
free to respond to their antiwar base. This opens them to an antiwar
electoral challenge on the Left or Right from forces not subservient
to AIPAC. And that could cost them their next election, a little thing
which has them very worked up. Capuano's cry of "AIPAC" was no simple
outburst of candor but a cri de coeur for his career.

So here we have even Congressmen and Senator's aides complaining
publicly about AIPAC. AIPAC is being outed all over the mainstream
media, largely thanks to the door opening work of Mearsheimer and
Walt. AIPAC is skewered routinely by Justin Raimondo on Antiwar.com
and by Alex Cockburn and many others here on CounterPunch. But there
remains no anti-AIPAC campaign within the mainstream antiwar
organizations, like UFPJ or Peace Action. (Even one supposed
Congressional ally of the peace movement was announced as a celebrity
guest at the recent colossal AIPAC meeting in Washington, where half
the Congress shows up and Dick Cheney is a regular speaker. What
gives?)

I have been told by leaders of the peace movement that AIPAC is a
distraction from the main thrust of the antiwar movement. And so we
should not engage it; AIPAC is to be immune. But with all due respect
to the sentiments of that leadership, immunity for AIPAC is a
prescription for disaster. To use a military analogy, which I do not
especially like, suppose that we were trying to take a hill in Germany
in 1944. And suppose we said that we would not attack one pillbox,
which kept devastating our forces. Leave just that one pillbox alone!
The result would be devastating; we would be cut down with every
succeeding attempt at advance. So it is with AIPAC which campaigns
relentlessly for war on Iraq, war on Iran, war on Syria, war on
Lebanon and the slow genocide of the Palestinian people. AIPAC
constantly puts the peace movement on the defensive while it is free
to be on the offensive all the time.

AIPAC is not just an issue for Jewish Americans or the Jewish wing of
the peace movement like Jewish Voice for Peace; it is a major force,
although not the only one, driving the U.S. to wars in the Middle
East. AIPAC is no less a force for war than is the Republican National
Committee. In fact it is worse, because it sinks its teeth into the
foreign policy establishment of both parties, perhaps the Dems more so
than the Republicans. If the peace movement is to be worth its salt,
then it must take action against AIPAC. (It is marathon season here in
Boston and my friend, Israeli expatriate Joshua Ashenberg, tells me
that the foregoing thought harbors a logical error. As he says: "A
'movement' that does not work against AIPAC is NOT a peace movement by
definition. It will not help if I call myself a marathon runner, while
I never ran a marathon.")

In the Boston area, AIPAC appears to be especially powerful, and so we
have a special responsibility to take it on. At the recent AIPAC
conference in Washington, the delegates from Boston/New England were
the most hawkish toward Iran. Just before the last election a
notorious ad in the Boston Globe, cheering on the Israeli bombing of
Lebanon, was engineered by the Jewish Community Relations Council, an
arm of AIPAC here. Every major political figure in MA signed the ad,
including our "liberal" governor, Deval Patrick, and supposed peacenik
Congressman Jim McGovern. Only Conressmen Capuano and Delahunt
withheld their signatures. In addition AIPAC appears to raise a lot of
money in our neck of the woods.

So I have a modest suggestion. On Sunday, April 29, beginning at 6 pm,
AIPAC has its annual fundraising dinner at the Westin Hotel in Copley
Square in Boston. (Last year a good table for 10 went for a modest
$10,000.) Show up at 5 pm to protest the machinations of AIPAC. Which
peace organizations in our area will be there? Which ones will promote
the rally? And which will maintain their silence?

    * American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)


John V. Walsh can be reached at John.Endwar@gmail.com.

He urges one and all to sign and circulate the petition at
WWW.FilibusterForPeace.org. The Senate Dems have the power to stop the
war with 41 votes; tell them to use it.

http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh04172007.html
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... TRY DOING THE LONG DIVISION USING ROMAN NUMERALS!



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 Not that gypsy music Jews stole from them! from the Fiddler on the
Roof



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:19:49 EDT 2007
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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.greens,alt.politics.republicans,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JEWISH PROFESSOR: Protected His Flock by sacrificing his own life.
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On Apr 17, 2:04 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
>
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
> As Jews worldwide honored on Monday
> the memory of those who were murdered
> in the Holocaust,
>
> a 75-year-old survivor sacrificed
> his life to save his students in
> Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech
> college that left 32 dead and over
> two dozen wounded.
 crap!  First jews claim that he was born in Israel (before it
existed)  and now they claim t5hat he was a "survivor" Make up your
mind.

What about this "flock" thingie? Was he hearding sheep or something?



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From: Venceremos 
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On Apr 17, 2:08 pm, Trellane  wrote:
> torresdD is a Castro-loving WHORE!

VIAV EL JEFE!  VIVA LA CUBA LIBRE! VENCERAMOS!




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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH PROFESSOR: Protected His Flock by sacrificing his own life.
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On Apr 17, 6:36 pm, "swampfox1776" <@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> "torresdD"  wrote in message
>
> news:s_7Vh.1224$Ut6.1159@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> >http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
>
> >http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
> > As Jews worldwide honored on Monday
> > the memory of those who were murdered
> > in the Holocaust,
>
> > a 75-year-old survivor sacrificed
> > his life to save his students in
> > Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech
> > college that left 32 dead and over
> > two dozen wounded.
>
> > Professor Liviu Librescu threw
> > himself in front of the shooter,
> > who had attempted to enter his classroom.
>
> Oy Vey another holohoax "victim"
> Although this was a noble act, I see absolutely nothing to link this action
> to the holohoax. If the Jews would have fought back in WW2 they wouldn't
> have been bitchslapped so bad. But of course Jews are gutless cowards and
> pay others to obtain their freedom for them.
> Jews.........Get over it. 10% of the WW2 casualties were Jews. Does that
> mean that the Jews that died are more important than the 90% of non-Jews?
> God will no doubt end the "Synagogue of Satan" the same way that he put an
> end to Sodom and Gomorrah. They will be on the receiving end of Blood Libel
> Lust that they worship.
> And then there is holohoax's Little Danny Pearl.
> Oy Vey. Daniel Pearl. The prick was a CIA operative an seems to have been in
> enemy territory. When you are deceitful, it usually comes back to bite you
> in the ass, or make you lose your head. No pun intended.
> "Through deceit thou shall wage war". The Jew motto.
> Kinda says it all doesn't it.......... Then you cloven hooved beasts wonder
> why everyone loathes you.
Not even one percvent of the victims of WWI were Jews




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From: Venceremos 
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On Apr 17, 6:36 pm, "swampfox1776" <@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> "torresdD"  wrote in message
>
> news:s_7Vh.1224$Ut6.1159@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> >http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
>
I> >http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
> > As Jews worldwide honored on Monday
> > the memory of those who were murdered
> > in the Holocaust,
>
> > a 75-year-old survivor sacrificed
> > his life to save his students in
> > Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech
> > college that left 32 dead and over
> > two dozen wounded.
>
> > Professor Liviu Librescu threw
> > himself in front of the shooter,
> > who had attempted to enter his classroom.
>
> Oy Vey another holohoax "victim"
> Although this was a noble act, I see absolutely nothing to link this action
> to the holohoax. If the Jews would have fought back in WW2 they wouldn't
> have been bitchslapped so bad. But of course Jews are gutless cowards and
> pay others to obtain their freedom for them.
> Jews.........Get over it. 10% of the WW2 casualties were Jews. Does that
> mean that the Jews that died are more important than the 90% of non-Jews?
> God will no doubt end the "Synagogue of Satan" the same way that he put an
> end to Sodom and Gomorrah. They will be on the receiving end of Blood Libel
> Lust that they worship.
> And then there is holohoax's Little Danny Pearl.
> Oy Vey. Daniel Pearl. The prick was a CIA operative an seems to have been in
> enemy territory. When you are deceitful, it usually comes back to bite you
> in the ass, or make you lose your head. No pun intended.
> "Through deceit thou shall wage war". The Jew motto.
> Kinda says it all doesn't it.......... Then you cloven hooved beasts wonder
> why everyone loathes you.

In Iraq 100 women are widowed, 400 children orphaned in Iraq every
day, study shows and how many people were killed yesterday in US at
least 30 and the killing as stop in US but yesterday and the day
before that and the day before that and today and tomorrow and then
the next day more and more Iraqi were killed and will be killed but no
one cares do you know why? cause the media never projects it in away
that you will care, now what happen in US will be presented to you in
away to draw your sympathy, words will be used very carefully to
create a feeling of sadness, a pathetic propaganda it is, causes life
is a life irrelevant to who's life it is, but this hypocritical
mainstream media is so deceiving in its deceptions.



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: SCARED OF AIPAC? YOU BET THEY ARE, SCARED SHITLESS
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On Apr 17, 8:54 pm, "Geno1234"  wrote:
> AIPAC is on the way ouit out with the rest of the zionist hate groups.
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1176837725.385078.322260@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Capuano and Kucinich Come Clean About the Lobby
> > Why is the Peace Movement Silent About AIPAC?
> > By JOHN WALSH
>
> > "AIPAC!" was the forceful one-word answer of Congressman Michael
> > Capuano when we asked him, "Why was the Iran clause forbidding war on
> > Iran without Congressional approval taken out of the recent
> > supplemental for the Iraq war funding?" I nearly fell out of my chair
> > at his reply - not because this was news but because of who had just
> > said it. Capuano is a close ally of Nancy Pelosi, her fixer and
> > enforcer. That was last Friday morning when a small delegation from
> > Cambridge and Somerville, MA, were visiting the Congressman, known for
> > his bluntness, as part of the nationwide UFPJ (United For Peace and
> > Justice) home lobbying effort during the Congressional recess.
>
> > Later that day, Dennis Kucinich made an appearance at Harvard, where
> > he was asked the same question, the reason for removing the Iran
> > provision. "AIPAC," I volunteered out loud. Kucinich looked my way and
> > said, "Exactly." Again my chair almost failed to contain me.
>
> > A few weeks earlier we had gone to the offices of Senators Kennedy and
> > then Kerry to discuss the war. (My intention was to call their
> > attention towww.FilibusterForPeace.orgto which the Kennedy aide was
> > sympathetic and the Kerry aide predictably hostile.) I raised the
> > question of AIPAC directly with Kerry's aide, inquiring about its
> > hawkish influence on Kerry and other Senators. Suddenly the aide was
> > quite engaged. Leaning forward, he said: "That will never be discussed
> > publicly. That will never be discussed publicly." Clearly even Kerry's
> > office is unhappy with the pressure that comes from AIPAC.
>
> > It is widely acknowledged that the reps and senators are ticked at
> > AIPAC, and their hostility seems to be growing these days. With
> > upwards of 60% of their campaign contributions coming directly or
> > indirectly from the Israel Lobby, the Democratic congressmen are not
> > free to respond to their antiwar base. This opens them to an antiwar
> > electoral challenge on the Left or Right from forces not subservient
> > to AIPAC. And that could cost them their next election, a little thing
> > which has them very worked up. Capuano's cry of "AIPAC" was no simple
> > outburst of candor but a cri de coeur for his career.
>
> > So here we have even Congressmen and Senator's aides complaining
> > publicly about AIPAC. AIPAC is being outed all over the mainstream
> > media, largely thanks to the door opening work of Mearsheimer and
> > Walt. AIPAC is skewered routinely by Justin Raimondo on Antiwar.com
> > and by Alex Cockburn and many others here on CounterPunch. But there
> > remains no anti-AIPAC campaign within the mainstream antiwar
> > organizations, like UFPJ or Peace Action. (Even one supposed
> > Congressional ally of the peace movement was announced as a celebrity
> > guest at the recent colossal AIPAC meeting in Washington, where half
> > the Congress shows up and Dick Cheney is a regular speaker. What
> > gives?)
>
> > I have been told by leaders of the peace movement that AIPAC is a
> > distraction from the main thrust of the antiwar movement. And so we
> > should not engage it; AIPAC is to be immune. But with all due respect
> > to the sentiments of that leadership, immunity for AIPAC is a
> > prescription for disaster. To use a military analogy, which I do not
> > especially like, suppose that we were trying to take a hill in Germany
> > in 1944. And suppose we said that we would not attack one pillbox,
> > which kept devastating our forces. Leave just that one pillbox alone!
> > The result would be devastating; we would be cut down with every
> > succeeding attempt at advance. So it is with AIPAC which campaigns
> > relentlessly for war on Iraq, war on Iran, war on Syria, war on
> > Lebanon and the slow genocide of the Palestinian people. AIPAC
> > constantly puts the peace movement on the defensive while it is free
> > to be on the offensive all the time.
>
> > AIPAC is not just an issue for Jewish Americans or the Jewish wing of
> > the peace movement like Jewish Voice for Peace; it is a major force,
> > although not the only one, driving the U.S. to wars in the Middle
> > East. AIPAC is no less a force for war than is the Republican National
> > Committee. In fact it is worse, because it sinks its teeth into the
> > foreign policy establishment of both parties, perhaps the Dems more so
> > than the Republicans. If the peace movement is to be worth its salt,
> > then it must take action against AIPAC. (It is marathon season here in
> > Boston and my friend, Israeli expatriate Joshua Ashenberg, tells me
> > that the foregoing thought harbors a logical error. As he says: "A
> > 'movement' that does not work against AIPAC is NOT a peace movement by
> > definition. It will not help if I call myself a marathon runner, while
> > I never ran a marathon.")
>
> > In the Boston area, AIPAC appears to be especially powerful, and so we
> > have a special responsibility to take it on. At the recent AIPAC
> > conference in Washington, the delegates from Boston/New England were
> > the most hawkish toward Iran. Just before the last election a
> > notorious ad in the Boston Globe, cheering on the Israeli bombing of
> > Lebanon, was engineered by the Jewish Community Relations Council, an
> > arm of AIPAC here. Every major political figure in MA signed the ad,
> > including our "liberal" governor, Deval Patrick, and supposed peacenik
> > Congressman Jim McGovern. Only Conressmen Capuano and Delahunt
> > withheld their signatures. In addition AIPAC appears to raise a lot of
> > money in our neck of the woods.
>
> > So I have a modest suggestion. On Sunday, April 29, beginning at 6 pm,
> > AIPAC has its annual fundraising dinner at the Westin Hotel in Copley
> > Square in Boston. (Last year a good table for 10 went for a modest
> > $10,000.) Show up at 5 pm to protest the machinations of AIPAC. Which
> > peace organizations in our area will be there? Which ones will promote
> > the rally? And which will maintain their silence?
>
> >    * American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
>
> > John V. Walsh can be reached at John.End...@gmail.com.
>
> > He urges one and all to sign and circulate the petition at
> > WWW.FilibusterForPeace.org. The Senate Dems have the power to stop the
> > war with 41 votes; tell them to use it.
>
> >http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh04172007.html
> >  liveinternet.ru WebMoney Yandex Money

I am keeping my fingers crossed Geno, but I don't think Jews will let
this cash cow go that easy!



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> > > I guess by that logic since Japan is a *Japanese* state, Japanese is
> both
> > > a religion and a political ideology.

NO WONDER YOU ARE A MORON DODIE



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On Apr 18, 5:10 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1176874415.324217.217...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  To ensure the
> > continuation of the embargo against Iraq in the 1990s, Clinton
> > spokespeople consistently lied about its weapons of mass destruction.
> > More Iraqis died during Clinton's tenure than under the two Bush
> > regimes. Madeleine Albright, Clinton's secretary of state, when asked
> > if the embargo was worth the lives of a million Iraqi children,
> > unhesitatingly answered, "Yes."
>
> Too many people forget this Alex. How many more Iraqis would have died
> if we had not invaded and thrown out Saddam.

Saddam was accused of killing 250,000 Iraqis in 30 years and we have
killed close to a million in four years. I guess according to you we
are doing them a favor. Pretty stupid aren't you?



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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Gaza female caught smuggling weapons
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On Apr 18, 6:32 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Gaza: Woman caught smuggling arms
> By ASSOCIATED PRESS
> 30 Nissan 5767, Wednesday, April 18, 2007 13:23 IST
>
> A Palestinian woman was detained Tuesday for trying to smuggle more
> than 100 spare weapon parts from Egypt into Gaza, police said.
>
> Capt. Mohammed Badr of the North Sinai Peninsula police unit said the
> detained woman confessed that she bought the spare parts from Beduin
> weapon dealers in Sinai and planned to bring them to Palestinian
> factions in Gaza.
>
> Badr said security police at the Rafah border crossing found 121 spare
> parts for automatic weapons, guns and Kalashnikov rifles in the 54-
> year-old Palestinian woman's luggage.

She should be given a medal. Fighting the Zionist occupiers is the
duty of every Palestinian.



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: JEWISH PROFESSOR: Protected His Flock by sacrificing his own life.
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On Apr 17, 11:23 pm, NefeshBarYochai  wrote:
> On Apr 17, 9:13 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Venceremos wrote:
> > > On Apr 17, 2:04 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> > > >http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
>
> > > >http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152812105&pagename=JPo...
> > > > As Jews worldwide honored on Monday
> > > > the memory of those who were murdered
> > > > in the Holocaust,
>
> > > > a 75-year-old survivor sacrificed
> > > > his life to save his students in
> > > > Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech
> > > > college that left 32 dead and over
> > > > two dozen wounded.
> > >  crap!  First jews claim that he was born in Israel (before it
> > > existed)  and now they claim t5hat he was a "survivor" Make up your
> > > mind.
>
> > > What about this "flock" thingie? Was he hearding sheep or something?
>
> > Believe  it now moron?
>
> > On campus, students spoke of Librescu's bravery.
>
> > "He should be recognized as a hero," Virginia Tech graduate student Philip
> > Huffstetler said. "We should be in such great debt to his family for the
> > rest of our lives."
>
> > "He is the reason that the student could not get inside and shoot more
> > people," said Asal Arad, a Virginia Tech student. "Obviously, he is a hero."
>
> > --
> > femail1...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> And isn't that the way it always is.  Just look at the nation of
> Israel, a heroic little Kingdom that sets the perfect moral example
> for the whole earth and actually has the courage to fight for what is
> right when those around her would keep us subject to the morals of the
> likes of people like Sudam Hussein.

What do you think Iraqis would prefer: Saddam Hussein or the WALL?



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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: SCIENTISTS AGREE, 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
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On Apr 19, 7:46 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > An unbiased observer doesn't need to look beyond what's happening on
> > the ground today in Iraq and Afghanistan to conclude the War on Terror
> > has been a brutal, manipulative means to a transparently self-serving
> > end.
>
> Instead of unbiased you mean here stupid Alex because Khalid Sheik
> Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, confessed that
> he planned and funded that al-Qaeda operation.
>
 Khalid Sheik Mohammed was a paid CIA operative who visited States two
weeks before 911. He has been paid millions by CIA to kill Russians.
And if they twisted your balls hard enough Bernard you would admit to
being Khalid Sheik Mohamed!



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From: Venceremos 
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 Kind of stupid! Is there any other way to do it?



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From: Venceremos 
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 Winston Churchill once said that one of the most unfailing tests of a
civilization lies in how a country treats its criminals. In the U.S.,
people stand by as the incarcerated are disenfranchised and pay money
to see them exploited - even pummeled by bulls.
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Legend has it that in the fifth century the Asian monk Telemachus ran
into a Roman arena to stop the brutality of the gladitorial games. For
his interruption, the indignant crowd stoned him to death, but his
actions impressed Emperor Honorius enough to put an end to the fights.

The past millenium and a half has arguably witnessed a general
improvement in the cultural level of society, in particular many
countries having preserved and extended their intolerance of sports
that brutally exploit the disadvantaged. Today even cock fighting and
pitting canines against each other are illegal in most industrialized
nations.

Remnants of gladitorial combat nevertheless persist, notably at two
prison rodeos in Angola, La., and McAlester, Okla., where Americans
buy tickets to watch inmates wrestle bulls and participate in crowd
favorites like "Convict Poker." Also called "Mexican Sweat," the poker
game consists of four prisoners who sit expectantly around a red card
table. A 1,500-pound bull is unleashed, and the last convict to remain
sitting wins. Especially thrilling for the audience is the chaotic
finale "Money the Hard Way" in which more than a dozen inmates
scramble to snatch a poker chip dangling from the horns of another
raging bull.

Unlike prisoners of ancient Rome, convicts at the annual Angola and
Oklahoma State rodeos aren't physically forced to compete in the
games, or even executed after their performance. Instead, they're paid
handsomely - upwards of $200 for winning "Convict Poker," or $100 for
successfully grabbing the chip in "Money the Hard Way." A tour guide
clarifies the basic economics: "Since $100 is worth about four months'
pay to these hardened criminals, be ready for one hell of a scrap for
that c-note."

There are of course some ethical concerns. When "someone raises a
question about the propriety of the rodeo," a Washington Post article
explains, the focus remains on the abuse of bulls and broncos, like
the pleas of the animal rights group PETA to cancel the rodeo on
animal cruelty grounds. An official from In Defense of Animals writes
elsewhere that the event provides inmates with "the right to torment
and abuse frightened animals in front of a cheering audience." Moral
questions don't arise about the propriety of cheering while bulls
pummel convicts.

Prison rodeos may be rare, but it shouldn't be surprising that the
mainstream toleration they receive stems from the willingness of the
United States to incarcerate 2.2 million of its people. While less
than one out of every 20 humans lives in the United States, almost one
quarter of the world's prisoners sit in American jails. The U.S.
criminal justice system has no parallel in the contemporary world.
History, however, reveals the origins of the system's scope, in
addition to the national obsession of denying criminal offenders the
decency and rights normally afforded to other humans.

More Americans in prison

In the international race to incarcerate, the United States dominates,
with few rivals and no rich countries within shouting distance.
Incarceration rates across countries are best measured as shares of
national populations. Last year, for every 100,000 people in the
United States, 738 were in prison. Second-place Russia, whom the
United States succeeded in 2000, currently boasts a rate of 603, but
the only other OECD country with a rate above 200 is Poland at 229.
The U.K. incarceration rate of 145 is the highest of any Western
European country. Although African-Americans suffer the greatest
relative burden of U.S. imprisonment, the incarceration rate for
whites in the United States is still more than three times the OECD
average.

To its credit, the United States hasn't always imprisoned such a large
share of its population. Incarceration rates were steady, sometimes
falling, and always below 200 throughout the 1960s and early 1970s.
The prison population rate rose sharply from 1973 to 1980, and then
skyrocketed, more than tripling over the past 25 years.

What caused such a tremendous spike in imprisonment? Increases in
crime rates surely made some contribution, but the road to prison
involves other components of the criminal justice system, like
prosecutorial and judicial decisions, and the time served in jail.
Isolating these factors during the period from 1980 to 1996, Carnegie
Mellon professor Alfred Blumstein and Bureau of Justice statistician
Allen Beck conclude that only 12 percent of state incarceration growth
resulted from the increased number of offenses. The rest of the prison
population growth was due to decisions to incarcerate arrested
individuals and their subsequent sentence length - namely, policy
choices made by legal and political representatives.

Coinciding directly with this astounding expansion of the prison
population is the U.S. "war on drugs." Nonviolent drug offenses
accounted for less than 8 percent of prisoners in 1980, but by 1993
that share had risen to about 25 percent, where it remains today. By
contrast, more than half of those imprisoned in 1980 were violent
criminals, who now comprise a bit less than half of the prison
population. As a proportion of illicit activity, drug use therefore
either tripled in just slightly over a decade and then stabilized, or
the focus and severity of U.S. penal and sentencing policy shifted
dramatically.

International comparisons also reveal the stark and decisive
contribution of criminal justice policies to incarceration rates.
Cross-country crime surveys from the late 1980s through the present
place the United States slightly above average, but well within the
range of Western European criminal activity. The United States is now,
of course, off the charts in terms of incarceration, imprisoning on a
per capita basis six times the average of other OECD countries.

Incarceration rates in the United States and Finland were not
dissimilar in the mid-1960s. Over the following 30 years, the United
States saw a near fivefold increase in the rate of violent crime and a
threefold increase in the rate of imprisonment. Violent crime also
rose in Finland by a factor of three, but over roughly the same
period, the promotion of sentencing alternatives to incarceration and
deliberate reductions in the length of prison sentences helped to cut
the Finnish incarceration rate by more than half.

Assessing these trends, criminologist Michael Tonry writes that
whereas U.K. punishment policies were originally not out of the
ordinary compared with Western Europe, since 1993 England and Wales
"have consciously emulated American crime control policies," resulting
in the near doubling of the prison population. In Germany, despite a
doubling of the violent crime rate between the early 1960s and 1990s,
"no radical decisions were made to increase or decrease the
imprisonment rate," and so the German incarceration rate stagnated and
even fell somewhat over this period. It is difficult to escape the
conclusion that incarceration rates are driven primarily by policy
choices, not by crime rates or inexorable laws of nature.

Permanent exclusion

Unsatisfied with mere prison sentences, the United States especially
has decided that offenders should continue to pay for their crimes
even after release. Some states prohibit hiring teachers or child care
workers with criminal records, and drug felons are often denied the
occupational mobility necessary for employment in general due to
required suspensions or revocations of drivers' licenses. Federal law
also allows states to deny offenders public housing, or to bar welfare
benefits or food stamps from drug felons, sometimes permanently. Drug-
related records can invalidate eligibility for student loans or aid.
Even exile has its place in the United States: Foreigners with certain
criminal convictions are increasingly deported, a practice which grew
twelvefold between 1989 and 2004.

Some of these punishments isolate the United States from the rest of
the industrialized world. Most states in this country deny current
prisoners the right to vote, some bar felons from voting during
probation or parole, and a few strip the vote from felons for life.
Although the United States is hardly alone in denying voting rights to
the imprisoned, many European nations, including Denmark, Ireland,
Spain and Sweden, even allow current prisoners to vote. Nonetheless,
the United States appears to be the only democratic country that
indefinitely disenfranchises nonincarcerated felons. The United
Nations Human Rights Committee recently proclaimed that these felon
disenfranchisement practices violate international law, namely the
International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights, to which the
United States is a party.

Crediting the United States for such exclusionary policies would be
unfair. Like prison rodeos and gladiatorial games, these traditions
have deep roots in history, as outlaws in ancient Rome and Germanic
tribes were likewise deprived of conventional human rights. The United
States of today embraces the legal and moral standards of medieval
Europe, where disenfranchisement and other practices amounted to what
was called "civil death." Criminals there were consequently "dead in
law," prevented from performing the normal legal functions of
citizenry.

Coupled with the severe and disproportionate toll of the criminal
justice system on black America, the reach of civil death is
staggering. More than 13 percent of African-American men cannot vote
because their felony conviction puts them in prison or on parole, or
just simply denies their suffrage. In eight states, at least one out
of four black men is disenfranchised. Christopher Uggen at the
University of Minnesota and Jeff Manza at Northwestern University
calculate that felony disenfranchisement affected a total of 5.4
million Americans in 2004.

Criminal offenders are not only excluded from society by imprisonment
and post-prison sanctions, but also due to the subtle fact that those
in prison are ignored by most measures of economic well-being. For
instance, the unemployment rate measures the nonworking share of the
labor force - those who are actively seeking work. Omitted from this
definition, however, are the institutionalized and in particular the
incarcerated.

Sociologists Bruce Western and Katherine Beckett note that while
Europe is regularly chastised for high labor inactivity, counting the
imprisoned as unemployed drastically changes the economic standing of
the United States among European countries. In 2004, the standardized
U.S. unemployment rate for men was 5.6 percent below the OECD average
of about 6.2 percent. Including the prison population as unemployed
raises the male U.S. unemployment rate to 7.9 percent, exceeding the
modified OECD average (6.6 percent), and placing the United States
below only the top five high unemployment countries of Europe.

The point is not that the incarcerated should be counted in the
conventional unemployment rate, but rather that vast numbers of able-
bodied men are forcibly removed both from civil society in general,
and from our very conception of it. Rates for employment, poverty,
inequality and virtually every socioeconomic indicator exclude the
incarcerated. Prisoners' invisibility to society in conjunction with
civil death - in the United States, at least - cannot possibly help to
ensure their human rights.

Nearly a century ago Winston Churchill remarked that "the treatment of
crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the
civilization of any country ... these actions mark and measure the
stored-up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the
living virtue in it." U.S.-style criminal treatment includes
disenfranchisement, exile, prison rodeos and innumerable other
practices that punish, exclude and effectively erase millions of
people. Do these signs constitute our virtue? Are we failing the test
of civilization?

http://www.alternet.org/rights/50428/?page=1



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From: Venceremos 
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On Apr 19, 9:59 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1176986225.148466.188...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  Winston Churchill once said that one of the most unfailing tests of a
> > civilization lies in how a country treats its criminals.
>
> In Muslim countries prisoners have their hands cut off,

THE THIEVES AND JEWISH COCKROACHES WHO GRUB THE MONEY FROM POOR
PEOPLE! PRISONERS? NO!



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Why I went up to the Temple Mount
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On Apr 19, 12:51 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Why I went up to the Temple Mount
> MOSHE DANN, THE JERUSALEM POST
>
> Jewish historical memory is focused on several fundamental
> experiences, among them: hurban - the destructions of the First and
> Second Temples, and korban - ritual temple sacrifice, both of which
> are grounded in the Land of Israel.

FUCKING LIAR!  THERE WERE NO JEWS IN THE LAND OF SOLOMON. READ SOME
HISTORY DONKEY



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: WOW! "REPARATIONS", SEEMS I HAVE HEARD THAT WORD THOUSAND TIMES FROM THE JEWS
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On Apr 19, 9:49 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1176985788.978060.168...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > Lebanon Seeks War Reparation from Israel
> > This Text 7 reads
> > Wednesday, 18 April 2007
>
> > Lebanon's Finance Minister Jihad Azour said his country was preparing
> > to go to an international tribunal to seek reparations from Israel for
> > the damage caused during last summer's war; "Israeli aggression was
> > beyond the purpose", he said.
>
> > Azour was speaking at Johns Hopkins University.
>
> > He declined to say which court or international tribunal Lebanon would
> > petition and added that the case is still being prepared.
>
> >http://heyetnet.org/en/content/view/239/
>
> If anyone is owed reparations it is Israel.
>
> 850.000 Jews refugees were forced to leave the Arab countries,

LIAR! NOBODY FORCED THEM!  IN EGYPT THEY TRIED TO BLOW UP THE U.S.
EMBASSY, AND SOME JEWS WERE ARRESTED, BUT THEY WERE NOT "FORCED TO GO
ANYWHERE.  THERE ARE STILL MANY THOUSANDS OF JEWS LIVING IN EGYPT,
TUNISIS,LYBIA, MORROCCO ALGERIA AND IRAN



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Why I went up to the Temple Mount
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On Apr 19, 4:12 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
> What History you want her to read, the Jewish version of lies or the truth.
>
> Jews only read what is good for them donkeys.
>
> SJ

There is not a single shard, or a piece of papyrus, or stone anywhere
in the world with the name "Israel" on it.Jews tried to state that an
Egyptian stele mentions the word Israel, when in fact it simply means
"the throne of God Ra. So much for the only Israel inscription on
Menemptah's stele!



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Why I went up to the Temple Mount
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On Apr 19, 4:21 pm, Ariel  wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2:12 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>
> > What History you want her to read, the Jewish version of lies or the truth.
>
> > Jews only read what is good for them donkeys.
>
> > SJ
>
> yeah like the Koran, where Israel appears 52 times and "palestine"
> never, not once.

You read the Quran? And you are still stupid?



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: We Jews have Arab Blood on Our Hands
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 GATES BEGGING JEWS TO LET HIM LEAVE IRAQ.


Israeli newspaper Maariv: Gates in the region to pave the way for
American withdrawal from Iraq
Roads to Iraq

April 19, 2007

Islamicnews translated an article published today on Israeli newspaper
Maariv [Hebrew] written by Ben Kaspit, an Israeli journalist an
political analyst who is very close to the Israeli decision makers
saying that the reason behind US Minister of Defense visit to the
Middle-East is to inform leaders of the region that the US decided to
withdraw from Iraq in a maximum period of two years.

Despite the fact that the American administration is trying to portray
to the world that its policy would not change in Iraq, and that it
will continue its military operations, a secret meetings held by
senior American officials in Washington, talking about quickly
withdraw from Iraq, after theyare fully convinced that staying in Iraq
is impossible.

The paper also added that Gates will try to convince Arab leaders in
the region on deploying the new American missiles in the Gulf region,
repelling any attack by Iran on those states



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: EU aims to criminalize Holocaust denial
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 Holofucks happened allright bu it did not happen to Jews. It happened
to those that Jews slaughtered between 1917 and 1989, and you know who
they are.

Jews are in habit of lying about their "suffering' The are
professional "suffering soccotashes"



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From: Venceremos 
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>
> Disgraced British author David Irving was arrested and subsequently jailed
> for illegally entering Austria and knowingly violating its law against
> attempts to revive National Socialism.

THE BEST WAY TO PROPAGATE FASCISM IS TO OUTLAW IT!



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: WHEN BUSH AND CHENEY GOING TO BE HUNG? SOME STATES SAY "NOW."
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On Apr 20, 11:26 am, Aviroce  wrote:
> Bush and Cheney are singing as duet, " I got trouble.  O oh!  I want
> the war to continue....Iraq on my  mi i i nd.  On my miiind."
>
> Some states are responding,"Yes.  You got trouble. O oh.  You should
> be impeeeached.  O oh.  You should be removed from office.  O oh.
> Ooooooh.   Impeached."
>
> While I know the United States of America will not hang its president
> and vice president in the near future, impeachment and removal from
> office are enough disgrace to cause them to hang themselves.
>
> The country is waking up to find monsters leading it astray to its
> detriment.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/Imperialism_Zionism/browse_thread/thre...
> *************************************************************************=
**=AD=AD
> ************************************
> Vermont Senate: Impeach the president
> By ROSS SNEYD, Associated Press Writer
> 55 minutes ago
>
> MONTPELIER, Vt. - Vermont senators voted Friday to call for the
> impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, saying
> their actions have raised "serious questions of constitutionality."
>
> The non-binding resolution was approved 16-9 without debate - all six
> Republicans in the chamber at the time and three Democrats voted
> against it.
>
> The resolution says Bush and Cheney's actions in the U.S. and abroad,
> including in        Iraq, "raise serious questions of
> constitutionality, statutory legality, and abuse of the public
> trust."
>
> "I think it's going to have a tremendous political effect, a
> tremendous political effect on public discourse about what to do
> about
> this president," said James Leas, a vocal advocate of withdrawing
> troops from Iraq and impeaching Bush and Cheney.
>
> Vermont lawmakers earlier voted to demand an immediate
>
> .........................................................................=
.=2E=AD=AD...............................................................ht=
tp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/ap_on_re_us/presidential_impeachment
> *************************************************************************=
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> *********************************

MASS MURDERERS LIKE THEM SHOULD BE HUNG WITHOUT DELAY BEFORE THEY
COMIT MORE MURDERS!



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Russian Police Raid U.S. Funded NGO

Created: 20.04.2007 11:53 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 12:39 MSK, 7 hours 6
minutes ago

MosNews

Russian police raided a U.S. funded non-governmental organization,
seizing documents and equipment in a search, the Associated Press
reported Thursday.

Police spent 11 hours at the offices of the Educated Media Foundation
the legal successor of Internews Russia. Officers confiscated
financial records and computer servers, said the head of its
analytical center, Anna Kachkayeva.

Foundation President Manana Aslamazian said police told her the search
was linked to a criminal case launched against her after she failed to
declare cash she brought into the country in January.

That time she brought into Russia euro notes worth more than $10,000
without declaring it at customs. She said it was money she had
borrowed for personal reasons and that she had not declared it because
it had not occurred to her at the time that it would amount to more
than $10,000.

Aslamazian said that her "personal mistake" had nothing to do with the
organization and would not affect it if the authorities act fairly.
She said the foundation operates legally and has nothing to hide.

Aslamazian said, however, that she suspected the raid was part of "the
overall campaign of caution and suspicion toward non-governmental
organizations that receive money from abroad."

Top Russian officials have accused foreign countries, including the
United States and Britain, of using NGOs to spy on and weaken Russia.
President Vladimir Putin, who has warned against foreign-financed
groups interfering in domestic politics, signed a law early last year
tightening requirements on NGOs.

The government and loyal lawmakers reacted angrily last week to a U.S.
State Department report that described U.S. financial aid to NGOs and
independent media, including efforts to help promote free and fair
elections. The lower parliament house called it "rude interference" in
Russian politics.

The U.S. Agency for International Development says it spent about $38
million last year on projects to strengthen democracy in Russia,
including nearly $5 million to support media freedom and freedom of
information. It listed Internews Russia as a principal partner in that
program.

Aslamazian said the Educated Media Foundation still commonly known
here as Internews Russia had received about $1 million from USAID last
year. Other sources of grants included a European group and income
>from paid programs it offers media outlets, she said.

The foundation had been paralyzed by the search and confiscation of
documents and equipment. "I cannot close the organization, but on the
other hand, we cannot work," Aslamazian said.

h ttp://www.mosnews.com/news/2007/04/20/educatedmedia.shtml



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On Apr 20, 10:10 am, "B''inyamin Cramer"  wrote:
> Did you ever campaign against a yid company from Canada trying to spend
> $850m on developments in Silver Springs MD?
>
> Was this before you became a konvert? When you hated yids?


Hey that is a new one!  I bet the bitch still hates the yids, but
hides her real feelings



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From: Venceremos 
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9/11's free speech casualties
Two journalists who questioned Bush's leadership weeks after the
attacks lost their jobs and faced threats.
April 19, 2007

ALL THE INK and the airtime that's been expended on Don Imus being
fired for saying something controversial and stupid got me thinking
about two other media guys - working stiffs, not multimillionaires;
professional informers, not inflamers - who got fired for saying
something controversial and wise.

Imus was canned after he slagged a women's college basketball team.
The two newspaper columnists were canned from their small-town papers
after the 9/11 attacks for criticizing President Bush.

ADVERTISEMENT
I know what you're thinking: If that's grounds for firing, the
editorial offices at the nation's news operations would be as empty as
a Laura Bush stare, right? Nowadays, sure - when Bush's approval
ratings are circling the drain. But remember the tetchy, proscriptive
atmosphere after the 9/11 attacks, when the nation was circling the
wagons around anything American, starting, as far as some people were
concerned, with the president? Then-White House Press Secretary Ari
Fleischer took his own blue pencil to the 1st Amendment when he warned
that Americans "need to watch what they say."

In Grants Pass, Ore., at the Daily Courier, and at the Texas Sun, down
in Texas City, journalists Dan Guthrie and Tom Gutting - separated by
about 30 years in age but not at all by their conviction - were
thinking: Where was Bush? Where was the presence that the nation
craved in that terrible aftermath, but wasn't getting?

As Guthrie wrote: "He didn't storm back to the capital and lead us
through our darkest hour.... He skedaddled" to one Air Force base, then
another. Guthrie praised New York firefighters and the passengers
aboard United Flight 93 as "the heroes of this rotten week." As for
Bush, Guthrie wrote: "We're praying for him." That was after he used,
fatally, the word "cowardice."

Hundreds of miles away, Gutting, who'd been a newspaperman since he
was an Indiana teenager, was writing what turned out to be his last
column. He praised Rudy Giuliani's decision to be "highly visible." He
lambasted Bush: "It's time we snapped out of the 'support our
president' trance and start to be vigilant citizens, as our
Constitution demands."

Well. The reaction didn't stop with the men's firings. An Alaskan
fisherman professed a wish to use Guthrie for crab bait. In Texas,
Gutting became, as the more colorful threats went, "a man who needed
killin'."

In the half-decade since, the men, like the country, have moved on.
Gutting, 28, researches grants at a Houston university and goes to law
school. Guthrie, 67, teaches at a community college; the flags he put
in his garden for dead soldiers have bleached to white, like so many
of the flags slapped on bumpers after 9/11.

Of the 1st Amendment, Guthrie says: "I realize it comes with
stipulations. You're free to say what you want, but that doesn't mean
you can't suffer repercussions." Evidence Imus. Guthrie sometimes
watched Imus and had to wonder whether the man even knew what he was
saying. Did he "even know what 'ho' means? Did he think it meant a
member of the 'hood? We have ageism dueling with racism."

Gutting's first thought was "what a damn fool thing to say." But
should Imus have been fired? "I just can't say that. As much as I
abhor what he said and there's real pressure to say 'yeah he should be
fired'.... "

I was writing a column as the World Trade Center towers were toppling,
and in the heat of such a singular moment, I hoped I got it right:
cautioning about the assaults we ourselves could mount on our civil
liberties, so that 9/11 would be a "test of how much Americans truly
believe in America."

Guthrie's and Gutting's firings made my point faster than I could have
imagined. Five years on, Guthrie says he hated more than anything else
the letters and phone calls telling him to "leave, just leave - that's
our response to the dissenter: Just leave."

And Gutting? "I still think about it a lot. It's when you get [your]
ideals tested and you pay consequences for them [that] you find out
whether you believe what you espouse to believe. And I wouldn't change
a damn thing."

Can Imus honestly say the same? Watch for it: Some network somewhere
will probably give him the chance.



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 AM I SURPRISED?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!  HUNDREDS OF MAGNIFICENT ANCIENT
MOSQUES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY THE CRUSADERS ALREADY!  WHAT DO YOU
EXPECT IRAQIS TO DO?



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: New Zealand: Hitler concert 'offensive but legal'
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On Apr 21, 3:37 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
> This is ridiculous!
> Adolf Hitler was a despicable monster.
> What about the 6 million innocent human beings
> that were slaughtered under the Nazi Regime,

REALLY? ONLY SIX MILLION?  THE REST DO NOT COUNT! RIGHT?  WHAT ABOUT
THE 100 MILLION RUSSIANS THAT JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED?  WERE
THEY HUMANS, OR THEY SIMPLY DO NOT COUNT?  OR AM I SUPPOSED TO ONLY
THINK ABOUT THE HOLOFUCKS?



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From: Venceremos 
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 REMEBER ABU GHRAIB? FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES STUCK UP THE PEOPLE'S
ARSE?  REMEMBER 14 YEAR OLD KID RAPED BY FOUR CRUSADERS, IN FRONT OF
HER PARENTS?  AND BURNED TO DEATH?



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On Apr 21, 12:41 pm, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" 
wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> >  AM I SURPRISED?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!  HUNDREDS OF MAGNIFICENT ANCIENT
> > MOSQUES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY THE CRUSADERS ALREADY!  WHAT DO YOU
> > EXPECT IRAQIS TO DO?
>
> Convert to Judaism.

KILL THE FUCKING JEWS!



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 U.S. NEVER EVER "SOLD" ANYTHING TO ISRAEL, WE JUST GIFT IT TO THE
BASTARDS!



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 I WONDER HOW IS DERSCHOWITZ GOING TO LIKE A FLOURESCENT TUBE SHOVED
UP HIS ARSE

Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University is currently best
known for
his advocacy of the "most excruciating" torture against terrorist
suspects
such as a "needle being shoved under the fingernails." The alleged
purpose
of this torture is to extract a truthful confession but its real
consequence, as human rights organizations have pointed out, is to
produce
whatever statements are necessary to end the suffering. For 15 months
Dershowitz has applied a variant of this truth-seeking technique --
less
physically painful but no less excruciating -- to prospective
publishers of
Beyond Chutzpah, which offers a critical examination of Israel's human
rights record and Dershowitz's defense of it. Enlisting one of the
most
powerful law firms in the country after his personal initiatives
proved
unsuccessful, Dershowitz has repeatedly threatened to bankrupt highly
respected publishers with litigation if they didn't cancel publication
of my
book. He could then proclaim that the cancellation confirmed the
"truth"
that Beyond Chutzpah didn't meet scholarly standards.

Dershowitz justified these blackmail tactics on the ground that Beyond
Chutzpah libels him. Yet, when I first began to expose his gross
scholarly
misconduct, Dershowitz publicly declared at UCLA (on 21 October 2003)
that
he wouldn't respond with a libel action because he believed "so
strongly in
the First Amendment and full freedom of speech." Ironically, just as
he was
threatening my publishers with expensive and time-consuming lawsuits,
Dershowitz denounced Holocaust denier David Irving, who had sued
Deborah
Lipstadt for libel, with these words: "Before Irving lost his case
[against
Lipstadt], several publishers had refused to issue books critical of
Irving,
out of fear of his bringing expensive and time-consuming lawsuits.
That was
a chilling of free speech" (Afterword to Lipstadt's History on Trial;
his
emphasis).

My publisher, University of California Press, was understandably at
great
pains to fend off a potential lawsuit by Dershowitz; for an academic
publisher the associated costs would have been ruinous, to the point
of
making certain victory meaningless. On occasion our relationship
became
strained and at one point it appeared as if we had reached an impasse.
However, through the skillful mediation of Nation magazine senior
editor
Roane Carey (who was the freelance editor of Beyond Chutzpah) and
others, a
satisfactory compromise was reached that protected the interests of
both
publisher and author, and, most importantly, preserved the integrity
of the
book. I would like personally to extend my heartfelt thanks to all who
supported me and the press during this difficult period.

Unable to suppress publication of my book, Dershowitz has instead
declared
victory on the ground that certain allegations about his scholarly
misconduct have been removed from the final text. Resorting to
blackmail and
censorship is not normally reason for boasting. It's also difficult to
understand how the publication of a book copiously documenting that
The Case
for Israel is among the most spectacular academic frauds ever
published on
the Israel-Palestine conflict should be cause for his gloating.

More to the point, is it accurate to state that allegations of mine
have
been removed? An appendix to Beyond Chutzpah irrefutably demonstrates
that
Dershowitz not only massively lifted information and ideas from
another
author, Joan Peters, without attribution, but that he did so from a
book,
Peters's From Time Immemorial, universally dismissed as a fraud. It is
left
to readers to decide whether Dershowitz committed plagiarism as
defined by
Harvard University -- "passing off a source's information, ideas, or
words
as your own by omitting to cite them." The appendix also explicitly
recounts
my previous conclusion that Dershowitz didn't have "a clue of his
book's
content" and that he was "manifestly ignorant of the content of his
own
book" (Beyond Chutzpah, pp. 95, 254). Again, it is left to readers to
draw
the only possible inference. In light of the comprehensive
falsification of
sources in The Case for Israel that I have documented, Dershowitz
might have
been better advised to disclaim authorship. As I stated to him on
Democracy
Now!, "For your sake, I truly hope you did not write this book."

Finally, I would like to comment on Dershowitz's repeated claim that I
stated that my late mother was a Nazi collaborator (kapo). In an
article for
FrontPageMagazine.com ("Why is the University of California Press
Publishing
Bigotry?," 5 July 2005), Dershowitz alleged that "[Finkelstein]
suspects his
mother of having been a kapo ('really, how else would she have
survived?' he
asks rhetorically)," while in a statement posted on his Harvard
University
Law School webpage, Dershowitz wrote that "He suspects his own mother
of
being a kapo and cooperating with the Nazis during the Holocaust"
(www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/Dershowitz/statement). A more elaborate
version
of this claim appears in his new book The Case for Peace:
  Finkelstein even doubted his own mother's denial that she was a
kapo,
asking whether her frequent statements that "the best didn't survive"
constituted "an indirect admission of guilt?" The most he was willing
to do
was "assume" that his mother answered him "truthfully." But he
questioned
even that assumption: "Still, if she didn't cross fundamental moral
boundaries, I glimpsed from her manner of pushing and shoving in order
to
get to the head of a queue, which mortified me. . . . Really, how else
would
she have survived?"
My late mother was a survivor of the Warsaw ghetto, Maidanek
concentration
camp and two slave-labor camps. Every member of her family was
exterminated.
After the war she was a key witness in an INS Nazi deportation hearing
and
at the trial of Maidanek concentration camp guards in Germany (where I
was
also present). She has been written up in many histories of these
postwar
hearings. Here is the excerpt from my memoir that Dershowitz consulted
to
reach his conclusion:
  Except for allusions to relentless pangs of hunger, my mother never
spoke
about her personal torments during the war, which was just as well,
since I
couldn't have borne them. Like Primo Levi, she often said that, being
"too
delicate and refined, the best didn't survive." Was this an indirect
admission of guilt? Much later in life I finally summoned the nerve to
ask
whether she had done anything of which she was ashamed. Calmly
replying no,
she recalled having refused the privileged position of "block head" in
the
camp. She especially resented the "dirty" question "How did you
survive?"
with the insinuation that, to emerge alive from the camps, survivors
must
have morally compromised themselves. Given how ferociously she cursed
the
Jewish councils, ghetto police and kapos, I assume my mother answered
me
truthfully. Although acknowledging that Jews initially joined the
councils
>from mixed motives, she said that "only scum," reaping the rewards of
doing
the devil's work, still cooperated after it became clear that they
were
merely cogs in the Nazi killing machine. When queried why she hadn't
settled
in Israel after the war, my mother used to reply, only half in jest,
that "I
had enough of Jewish leaders!" The Jewish ghetto police always had the
option, she said, of "throwing off their uniforms and joining the rest
of
us" -- a point that Yitzak Zuckerman, a leader of the Warsaw ghetto
uprising, made in his memoir. (It was always gratifying to find my
mother's
seemingly erratic or harsh judgments seconded in the reliable
testimonial
literature.) Still shaking her head in disbelief, she would often
recall
how, after Jews in the ghetto used the most primitive implements or
even
bare hands to dig bunkers deep in the earth and conceal themselves,
the
Jewish police would reveal these hideouts to the Germans, sending
their
flesh-and-blood to the crematoria in order to save their own skins.
One of
the first acts of the ghetto resistance was to kill an officer in the
Jewish
police. On a sign posted next to his corpse -- my mother would recall
with
vengeful glee -- read the epitaph: "Those who live like a dog die like
a
dog." Still, if she didn't cross fundamental moral boundaries, I
glimpsed
>from her manner of pushing and shoving in order to get to the head of
a
queue, which mortified me, how my mother must have fought Hobbes's war
of
all against all many a time in the camps. Really, how else would she
have
survived? (www.NormanFinkelstein.com, "Haunted House")
Comparing the actual text with his presentation of it gives a hint of
how
Dershowitz typically reports sources in his publications. I will forgo
comment on the moral character of an individual who defames a survivor
of
the Nazi holocaust after her death.

Beyond Chutzpah is now on its way to bookstores. It is my sincere hope
that
the repulsive sideshow created by Dershowitz will quickly be forgotten
and
that the book's real purpose will now come into focus: Israel's
horrendous
human rights record in the Occupied Territories and the misuse of
anti-Semitism to delegitimize criticism of it.



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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Bedridden Ariel Sharon watches television and can answer questions -- the world holds its collective breath
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On Apr 21, 1:56 pm, "Jason P."  wrote:
> Ariel Sharon said to be sentient
>
> Ariel Sharon's condition has improved and he is responsive, a relative
> was quoted as saying.
>
> Israel's Channel 10 television on April 13 quoted the former prime
> minister's son, Omri, as saying that his bedridden father watches
> television and can answer questions such as "Does it hurt?" by moving
> his eyes and clenching his hand. Doctors who have been caring for
> Sharon, 78, since he was felled by a stroke last year declined
> comment. Sharon is in a long-term coma ward and is not expected to
> make a full recovery.

Does he answer the questions in Russian or heeb?



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On Apr 22, 2:03 am, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
> From: ser...@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
>   REMEBER ABU GHRAIB? FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES STUCK UP THE PEOPLE'S
> ARSE? REMEMBER 14 YEAR OLD KID RAPED BY FOUR CRUSADERS, IN FRONT OF HER
> PARENTS? AND BURNED TO DEATH?
>
> Nope! Cant say I do!

Put "Abir Hamza" and "Abu Ghraib" into Google and enjoy reading about
how Crusaders fight a "war"



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Muslims in the world bank was Re: LITTLE JEW WITH DIRTY FEET GETS HIS ARSE KICKED
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On Apr 22, 6:26 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1177208799.310510.316...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Paul Wolfowitz's grip on his job as president of the World Bank was
> > shaken yesterday after the bank's governing council declared it had
> > "great concern" and ordered an investigation into the contracts of
> > staff connected to him. After an emergency meeting, the bank's
> > executive directors set up a wide-ranging inquiry into alleged
> > breaches of the bank's code of conduct and ethical rules, and into
> > statements about the controversy made by Mr Wolfowitz's office.
>
> She is not Jewish but Muslim Alex.

IT IS NOT A "AHE" IDIOT. WOLFOWITZ IS A JEW QUEER



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On Apr 22, 1:23 pm, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
> From: ser...@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
>
> On Apr 22, 2:03 am, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
>
> From: ser...@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
>   REMEBER ABU GHRAIB? FLOURESCENT LIGHT TUBES STUCK UP THE PEOPLE'S
> ARSE? REMEMBER 14 YEAR OLD KID RAPED BY FOUR CRUSADERS, IN FRONT OF HER
> PARENTS? AND BURNED TO DEATH?
>
> Nope! Cant say I do!
>
> Put "Abir Hamza" and "Abu Ghraib" into Google and enjoy reading about
> how Crusaders fight a "war"
>
> How long ago was this? Centuries ago? I will be looking at this! Thank
> you!

More like few months back!  Also look at the slaughter of the Fallujah
people tens of thousands of them by the Crusaders. I will post the
rape of Abir Hamza for you, she was only 14, she was raped in front of
her siblings and parents by four Marines. Later  all of them were
killed. Those are your "missionaries", Crusaders!



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On Apr 22, 1:26 pm, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
> From: williamhubb...@bluebottle.com (Al Nakba)
>
> On Apr 21, 4:54 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>   AM I SURPRISED? ABSOLUTELY NOT! HUNDREDS OF MAGNIFICENT ANCIENT
> MOSQUES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY THE CRUSADERS ALREADY! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT
> IRAQIS TO DO?
>
> they can expire in their masjids!
>
> Huh? What is masjids??

Where did you get your "education"? In a missionary entertainment
center?
Masjid is a muslim church. Do you agree with that beast that we
muslims should "expire"?
Just curios



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 JUST IN CASE YOU ARE IN A TIGHT SPOT AND HAVE NO TOILET PAPER



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:20:27 EDT 2007
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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: The lies of the "Cramer" maggot [Re: The Lies of Alan Dershowitz]
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 IF THE TRUTH ABOUT 911 WAS KNOWN TO THE WORLD, NO ZIONAZI WILL FEEL
SAFE ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET!

For a few examples:

      # Explosives brought down the WTC towers and Building 7.

      #   The rubble from the WTC was sold as scrap metal despite the
angry article in Fire Engineering magazine that this destruction of
evidence was illegal.

      #   The media is suppressing all evidence of the crime, and
instead saturating us with stories about Arab terrorists. The media
also suppresses the people who expose the crime.

        The media has been doing this since the moment of the attack,
which is proof that they knew about 9-11 beforehand, and were prepared
and ready for it.

      # The 5 Israelis who were dancing during the attack were
arrested that day, and they were found to have Arab clothing and
traces of explosives in their van. They were later released to Israel
to keep this issue quiet.

      #   Only a few of the 19 Arabs are listed on passenger lists,
and many of them were reported as alive in the Middle East. The media
and governments refuse to explain this or look into it.


Arabs must be blamed

The 9-11 attack must be blamed on Arabs, or if necessary, Bush and
Blair, in order to protect Zionists and their friends that dominate
European and American banks and media.

The banking families have the money to bribe millions of people. They
can also pay for millions of web sites, organizations, radio shows,
books, and magazines.

However, don't underestimate the Zionists. They have done a lot of
hard work during the past century to create Israel. They are not
likely to let the anybody get in their way, not even the bankers.



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From: Venceremos 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: The lies of the "Cramer" maggot [Re: The Lies of Alan Dershowitz]
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>    His questions for Tilly were obviously posted for stalking
> purposes.
WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO FUCK THE OLD JEW BAG?

 He spends a huge amount of time trying to find
> out information about people who post here,  and harras
> them using that information.  He tried to silence Ken McVay
MCVAY IS A NANAIMO DRUNKARD, WITHOUT FEW BUCKS HE EARNS BY POSTING THE
HOLOFUCKS LIES, HE WOULD HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY BOOZE

and
> Patrick Keenan,  as well as other posters,  by posting what
> he thinks is personal information relating to them.
NO NEED TO POST THE "INFORMATION" ABOUT THEM. I KNOW NANAIMO LIKE THE
BACK OF MY HAND AND MCVAY IS NOT WORTH DIRTYING MY HANDS ON!

The fact of the matter is that you Zionists never stop lying, as if
50-60 million victims of the Nazi carnage were all Jews, when in fact
there were only 4 million Jews in the whole of Europe occupied by
Hitler, and after the war 3.25 million Jews claimed reperations from
Germany!Z

IF THE TRUTH ABOUT 911 WAS KNOW TO THE WORLD ZIONAZIS OF THE WORLD
WOULD HAVE NO PLACE TO HIDE

For a few examples:

      # Explosives brought down the WTC towers and Building 7.

      #   The rubble from the WTC was sold as scrap metal despite the
angry article in Fire Engineering magazine that this destruction of
evidence was illegal.

      #   The media is suppressing all evidence of the crime, and
instead saturating us with stories about Arab terrorists. The media
also suppresses the people who expose the crime.

        The media has been doing this since the moment of the attack,
which is proof that they knew about 9-11 beforehand, and were prepared
and ready for it.

      # The 5 Israelis who were dancing during the attack were
arrested that day, and they were found to have Arab clothing and
traces of explosives in their van. They were later released to Israel
to keep this issue quiet.

      #   Only a few of the 19 Arabs are listed on passenger lists,
and many of them were reported as alive in the Middle East. The media
and governments refuse to explain this or look into it.


Arabs must be blamed

The 9-11 attack must be blamed on Arabs, or if necessary, Bush and
Blair, in order to protect Zionists and their friends that dominate
European and American banks and media.

The banking families have the money to bribe millions of people. They
can also pay for millions of web sites, organizations, radio shows,
books, and magazines.

However, don't underestimate the Zionists. They have done a lot of
hard work during the past century to create Israel. They are not
likely to let the anybody get in their way, not even the bankers.



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Date: 22 Apr 2007 21:30:13 -0700
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On March 18, the New York Times ran a lengthy cover story in its
heralded Sunday Magazine about widespread sexual harassment and rape
of female U.S. soldiers by their male colleagues in Iraq. Written by a
reporter, Sarah Corbett, the article combined the available official
studies, and statements of specialists, with poignant narratives by
women soldiers whom she interviewed intensively.

The evidence she amassed included a report in 2003, funded by the
Department of Defense (DOD), which declared that nearly one-third of a
nationwide sample of female veterans seeking health care through the
V.A. said they experienced rape or attempted rape during their
service. Of that group, 37 percent said they were raped multiple
times, and 14 percent reported they were gang-raped.

A change in DOD policy in 2005 allowing sexual assaults to be reported
confidentially in "restricted reports" led to the number of reported
assaults across the military rising 40 percent.

There are still many reasons why female soldiers are reluctant to
report sexual violence, especially in combat zones. Solidarity is
survival. Complaining about your superior or soldiers of comparable
ranking ruptures the working hierarchy and its military mission. In
addition, it is often the woman's word against the man's word. As one
sailor told Ms. Corbett, "You just don't expect anything to be done
about it anyway, so why even try?" She said she was raped at a naval
base on Guam before being deployed to Iraq.

Female soldiers coming back from Iraq relate their fears of even going
to the latrines in the middle of the night for the fear of being
sexually assaulted.

Sexual violence is often dismissed as fabricated, exaggerated or
consensual. It is important not to tarnish many upstanding and
respectful male soldiers and sailors with sweeping generalizations.

Abbie Pickett, who is a 24 year old combat-support specialist with the
Wisconsin Army Naitonal Guard, told Ms. Corbett: "You're one of three
things in the military-a bitch, a whore or a dyke. As a female, you
get classified pretty quickly."

Particularly since the Tailhook episode in 1991 which involved sexual
violence against women at a naval party, the Pentagon has become more
concerned about such assaults. There are far more women in areas of
combat now as well. Over 160,000 women have seen active duty in Iraq
and Afghanistan already.

Bottom line to all the reports-official and individual-was summarized
by the New York Times this way: "Many have reported being sexually
assaulted, harassed and raped by fellow soldiers and officers." (For
more information see http://www.democracyrising.us)

Assault and rape are crimes, deeds of devastating impact on the lives
of these young women. They are not just vile words. Yet in the month
since the New York Times article was published, there has been almost
no public outrage and no demands for more investigation, more
corrective action, more law enforcement.

The members of Congress-women and men-have not mobilized for action.
The press did not follow up on the article-"The Women's War" by Ms.
Corbett. The National Organization of Women (NOW) condemned Don Imus
in no uncertain terms. They have not yet demanded multiple actions to
be taken on this continuing violence against women.

Aside from the indifference of the male legislators, Congress is now
graced by the largest number of women lawmakers in its history. The
Speaker of the House is a woman-Nancy Pelosi. Sure, she has her hands
full with the Iraq war. But this is an internal war against many women
who need her leadership and her status to spark remedial or
preventative action.

Words inflaming more than deeds is also too often the case when racial
epithets are uttered by public figures. All those groups and civil
rights leaders who conquered and ended the Don Imus media empire
should ask themselves what have they done in any sustained manner,
given their power and media access, about the brutality of racism by
commercial interests in the urban ghettos. Deaths, injuries, disease
and loss of livelihood are a daily occurrence, apart from raw street
crime and drugs. Little children seriously poisoned by lead, asbestos
and other toxics. Whole neighborhoods redlined without adequate
corporate police protection. Predatory lending, predatory interest
rates, marketing shoddy products and contaminated food proliferate.

Where have been the cries of outrage, the demands for removal of these
conditions and prosecution of these crooks and defrauders? The abysmal
conditions are daily, weekly, monthly. They have been occasionally
reported in gripping human interest terms and statistics and maps.

If only the offenders used words, instead of committing these awful
deeds. Maybe there would have been action, front page headlines and
prime time television and radio coverage. If only they used words!

Ralph Nader is the author of The Seventeen Traditions



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On Apr 23, 12:02 am, "Jason P."  wrote:
> Navy officer under investigation published anti-war writings
>
> By STEVEN G. VEGH, The Virginian-Pilot
> =A9 March 24, 2007
>
> Lt. Cmdr. John F. Sharpe, who is being investigated by the Navy over
> allegations that he has promoted anti-Semitic and supremacist views,
> has published two books of anti-war writings while also serving in the
> military.
>
> The Navy declined to comment Friday on Sharpe or his books, "Neo-
> Conned! Just War Principles: A Condemnation of War in Iraq," and "Neo-
> Conned Again: Hypocrisy, Lawlessness and the Rape of Iraq."
>
> Sharpe uses the name J. Forrest Sharpe in his books, copyrighted by
> IHS Press, a company he co-founded.
> Click Here
>
> While not commenting specifically on Sharpe's case, Elizabeth Hillman,
> a law professor at Rutgers University, said that military personnel
> generally retain the right of free speech.
>
> But she said military law prohibits comments that could have a
> negative impact on morale or "good order." She said commanding
> officers decide whether specific writings or comments violate that
> standard.
>
> Sharpe was accused of having anti-Semitic and supremacist views in an
> article on Catholic extremists published by the Alabama-based Southern
> Poverty Law Center.
>
> He was relieved of duty as public affairs officer on the aircraft
> carrier Carl Vinson on March 7 pending Navy inquiry.
>
> Sharpe has denied the accusations.
>
> "If they decide I've done something wrong, they'll tell me what it
> is," Sharpe said in a March 9 interview with The Virginian-Pilot.
>
> "I'm far more confident they may just say, 'Look, we've looked into
> this, we don't think you're very PC on certain subjects, but you know,
> we really don't care, frankly, just go back to work,' " he said.
>
> Sharpe, who lives in Isle of Wight County, declined to comment further
> this week.
>
> The Naval Academy graduate and his co-editor brand the Iraq conflict
> "a criminal onslaught" in one of their books.
>
> Both books are compilations of essays critical of the war by scholars,
> clergy and commentators, including Patrick J. Buchanan and Noam
> Chomsky.
>
> According to the "Neo-Conned" Web site, the books condemn "the
> neoconservatives' war in Iraq." It says the books explore "the
> immorality, injustice, and illegality of the war in Iraq in light of
> the traditional Christian just-war doctrine and other legal,
> political, and historical considerations."
>
> The books have back-cover excerpts of positive reviews that were
> printed in publications, including The Virginian-Pilot, the San Diego
> Union-Tribune, The American Conservative magazine, and The Catholic
> Herald newspaper in Britain.
>
> "President Bush and his neocon cohorts launched an aggressive war of
> political conquest," the editors state in "Neo-Conned!"
>
> The books' other co-editor is Deric L. O'Huallachain of Ireland,
> Sharpe has said.
>
> In prefaces dubbed "the editors' gloss," the books call the war
> "immoral and illegal" and question whether Saddam Hussein's hanging
> last year was "an execution... or a lynching?"
>
> Another preface states, "There's at least one man who should be held
> responsible for thousands of deaths and a gross violation of the
> natural and international law, and he sits in the White House."
>
> Sharpe's written criticism of the war isn't unheard of among military
> members. Last fall, a group of active-duty military personnel,
> including an enlisted sailor on the Norfolk-based carrier Theodore
> Roosevelt, launched an anti-war Web site called "An Appeal for
> Redress."
>
> According to the "Neo-Conned" Web site, Sharpe studied English,
> political thought and history at the Naval Academy. After graduating
> in 1993, he served on submarines for seven years and was also at the
> Pentagon and in Italy.
>
> The books themselves don't include any biographical information about
> him.
>
> According to the Web site, Sharpe has promoted his books in person at
> bookstores. He has said his IHS Press is a nonprofit, home business-
> style company.
>
> The "Neo-Conned" Web site includes an interview with Ibrahim Ebeid,
> described as an editor of an "interesting" Arab Web site, Al-
> Moharer.net.
>
> In the interview, Ebeid stated that Saddam Hussein was "the legitimate
> President" of Iraq and that Saddam's Baath Party would "liberate" Iraq
> "from the Anglo-Saxon Zionist occupation."
>
> On the Al-Moharer site, an essay by Ebeid states that the United
> States wants to split up Iraq "in order to control the wealth of Iraq
> and to satisfy the illegal Zionist entity," an apparent reference to
> Israel.
>
> -- -- -- --
> Reach Steven G. Vegh at (757) 446-2417 or steven.vegh@ pilotonline.com
>
> Copyright 1993-2007, HamptonRoads.com

We do need many more like this brave gentleman to get this country
away from the ZioNazi grip. Thanks for this post!



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On Apr 4, 12:40 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Apr 4, 5:54 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:>   WHAT DID AHMADINEJAD LIE ABOUT? HOLOFUCKS?
>
> > THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT HOLOFUCKS IS A JEW BULLSHIT!
>
>    The whole world consists of more than your National Alliance
> meetings.
>
>  Michael

What's a National Alliance?

I LIVED THROUGH THE HOLOCAUST ARSEHOLE, SO I DO KNOW WHO KILLED WHO. I
ALSO KNOW WHO BUILT THE NAZI AMUNITION AND GUNS- IT WAS FUCKING JEW!





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On Apr 1, 6:27 am, "Leonardo Been"  wrote:
> Iran has become a Nazi State:
>
WHATDID AHADINEJAD LIE ABOUT? HOLOFUCKS?  HE WAS RIGHT IT IS JUST A
JEWISH FUND RISER, T HERE IS NO T RUTH IN ANY OF THE JEW CLAIMS.

LISTEN TO THIS JEW, INTERVIEWED BY MEMRY, WHICH IS A MOSSAD SITE:

Take a look at this statement by Norman Finkelstein, made to Mossad
MEMRI but take note of the portions of his statement censored in red
below, the video
It takes a while to laad but it is worth waiting for:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=w3t_news_video&Number=295378952





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On Mar 26, 2:40 am, "pembuka kedok setan"  wrote:
> The Name of God in Islam
>
> Ignorance: The beginning of hatred
>
> Often one is simply stunned by the appalling ignorance of the religious
> systems of this world. In the discussion of late there has been an
> extraordinary amount of vilification of the Islamic system based on, or as a
> result of, the terrorist attacks coming from the Afghan systems under the
> Taliban and the Bin Laden network and the Allied counter reactions. Many
> papers are being circulated that are so obviously false, yet presented in
> such an assertive way, that a scholar of Comparative Religion would laugh at
> the assertions. However, a number of people, who are less informed, are
> being taken in by these religious bigots.
>
> One such fairy tale of the bigots concerns the name of God or Allah in
> Islam.
>
> We will now look at some of the assertions regarding these matters. Perhaps
> we might get some sense and reason based on fact into the argument.

Alah was called Allah in the pre Islamic times! Allah is called Allah
by all Faiths of people who speak Arabic language which includes
Christians, Jews, and other  faiths. The origin of the word Is from
Mesopotamia, and some versions can be traced to Vedic





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  WHAT DID AHMADINEJAD LIE ABOUT? HOLOFUCKS?

THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT HOLOFUCKS IS A JEW BULLSHIT!





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On Apr 2, 4:17 am, pls_expl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Dear all,
> Islamist religious gangsters uses Islam to make nightmare a reality
> when these Islamist terrorist criminals realize that in Islam one just
> needs to become a Muslim in order to use the Name of Allah for his own
> selfish gain to usurp the authority of his country by quoting the
> below-mentioned Quranic verses to deceive ignorant Muslims to become
> Islamic "martyrs" seeking death for themselves as well as for the non-
> Muslims.

WHY DO YOU LIE SO MUCH YOU FUCKING RAT NOSED JEW BASTARD? DON'T YOU
THINK THAT ONE OF THESE DAYS YOU WILL BE PAYING FOR YOUR ROTTEN LIES?





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On Apr 23, 7:59 am, "Benyamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> "cindys"  wrote in message
>
> news:462ba32e$0$27030$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > "Don Levey"  wrote in message
> >news:m3odliomnw.fsf@dauphin.the-leveys.us...
>
> >> Actually, various sodas have been used with great success
> >> in meat marinades.  In particular, Coke has made for some
> >> interesting briskets.
> > -------
> > Roast which has been marinated in (sugar-sweetened, not diet) Coca-Cola
> > and
> > onion soup mix has become a Pesach tradition at my house. Sometimes I also
> > add some dried fruit before popping it in the oven. Delicious!
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy s.

Yep, Coke and roast beef! Some dish!  Plus some dried plums and pussy
feathers to top it off! Make sure you never get invited to Jew food
dinner!



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 Jew nose Joe cheated to get elected and now he sells America to Jew
cartel. What can you expect if Homeland Security director is an avowed
Zionist, an Israeli citizen and a tool of fascist elements of American
right!



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On Apr 23, 5:15 am, "Benyamin C'ramer" 
wrote:
> IN DEFENSE OF TAKI
> Covering up the Marc Rich scandalhttp://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030501.html
> It's amazing how the Marc Rich pardon story has taken on so many
> permutations that the real impact of it is lost - and the real meaning
> missed. Between the Burton committee's halfhearted investigation, and Mary
> Jo Whitewash's efforts - not to mention the involvement of various Rodhams,
> including Hillary, in other pardons - the whole trend of this developing
> story has been to divert attention away from the high level lobbying effort
> on Rich's behalf and make this into just another tale of Clintonian avarice.
> The Burton committee is intent on staging Impeachment II, summoning White
> House aides, as well as Denise Rich and Democratic official Beth Dozoretz,
> seemingly embarked on a quixotic search for the holy grail of a quid pro
> quo. Mary Jo is reportedly after Rich, not Clinton, digging for evidence
> that Rich used illegal means to fund his campaign for a pardon - crimes not
> covered by his presidential get-out-of-jail-free card. While Rich called off
> the post pardon party he was planning on throwing at Zurich's elegantly
> exclusive Chesa Veglia restaurant - no need to be too vulgar in his moment
> of triumph - the cadre of internationally-connected lawyers, politicians,
> and leading public figures who pulled it off must be breathing a sigh of
> relief. The billionaire commodities trader had invited his friends to a
> "Night in Las Vegas'" party at the St. Moritz ski resort to celebrate, but
> you can bet there's a whole lot of private partying going on: and if the
> present phony "investigations" of this shameful incident continue on course,
> they have all the more reason to pop the champagne corks and whoop it up
> (discreetly, of course).
>
> TAKI TELLS ALL
> The cancellation of the "Night in Las Vegas" jamboree was the occasion for a
> delectable bon mot by [London] Spectator columnist and British Old Rightist
> Taki Theodoracopulos:
> "The last time Marc Rich called off a party was in Spain, about five or six
> years ago. His Mossad-trained bodyguards were tipped off that his private
> jet would be forced down the moment it left Swiss airspace by Yankee F-16s,
> so he stayed put. No reason was offered back then. Although the US
> government was out to grab him, Rich had the proverbial ace up his sleeve.
> By giving lotsa moolah to Israel, he was being fed information by Mossad
> that even the top brass of the Pentagon weren't getting. Mossad knew that
> the snatch was on by listening in on the Americans. They tipped off the
> fugitive fraudster, a move that eventually made Bill Clinton rich, pun
> intended."
> THE TRUTH WILL OUT
> This has become a story almost completely about clan Clinton, formerly
> America's most powerful crime family, now scorned and testified against by
> their former consigliares. The complex conspiracy to win Rich's pardon has
> been narrowed down to a simple mercenary operation: contributions to the
> Clinton presidential library fund in exchange for Rich's pardon. But even if
> the pardon was simply bought and paid for, it still takes at least two
> parties to conduct a transaction, and in all the focus on Clinton the
> question of who negotiated the terms of Clinton's beneficence on Rich's
> behalf is getting lost. But not entirely: like a pile of corpses buried in a
> mass grave, occasionally some portion of the truth will be seen sticking up
> through the ground. The Burton committee - and the Bush administration - was
> given a jolt when the Democrats called Lewis "Scooter" Libby, vice president
> Dick Cheney's chief of staff, to the witness stand. Libby testified that not
> only did he approve of the pardon, he actually called Rich to offer his
> congratulations the moment he heard the news! It was a "Bad Night for the
> GOP" - and if that is what National Review is calling it, then it's a
> considerable understatement.
> FREE MUMIA ABU JAMAL - AND MARC RICH, TOO!
> According to Libby, he agreed with the infamous apologia penned by Clinton
> for the New York Times: the president had made a decision strictly on the
> merits of the case brought before him. Of course, it was Libby himself who
> made that case, in legal work done while in Rich's employ, arguments that
> Clinton cited as particularly convincing. The standard Republican response
> is to simply assert that Libby was merely doing his job, carrying out his
> professional duties to his client: but this misses the point that even
> lawyers are judged by certain ethical standards. No doubt Libby was
> well-paid for his efforts, but such a politically well-connected member of a
> high-powered Washington law firm does not take on a client for purely
> economic motives. He must, first of all, believe in the justice of his
> clients' cause, at least to the extent that he can make a credible and
> convincing case. Secondly, the effort to pardon Marc Rich - the Mumia
> Abu-Jamal of the international jet set - was a systematic and well-organized
> campaign, with clear ideological overtones and a dedicated cadre of
> activists ceaselessly working to achieve their goal. Libby was just a part
> of it, perhaps peripheral: his testimony, however, is the clearest evidence
> yet that this was not just some Democratic party scam to rake in millions,
> but a truly bipartisan conspiracy - one with important foreign policy and
> domestic political implications that have been downplayed if not entirely
> buried by politicians of both parties.
> MECHANICS OF A COVER-UP
> As long as the Burton committee investigation focuses on what they believe
> to be a simple case of bribery, the real authors of this conspiracy against
> justice are safe from public view. But an investigation that was never
> originally intended to go much of anywhere can get out of control, and take
> on a momentum of its own: and that is why there is this bipartisan rush to
> "move on." This sentiment becomes all the more convincing when the issue is
> framed in terms of Clinton as the chief if not the sole culprit, who simply
> sold pardons for cash. Are we going to impeach him again? Ordinary folk can
> hardly stifle a yawn. By this time, nothing short of serial murder would
> shock the nation if attributed to their former commander-in-chief - and
> there are those who would count the bombings that coincided with key points
> in l'affair Lewinsky as arguably falling in that category. But otherwise,
> it's no big deal that there is corruption in Washington - unless it happens
> to involve other, more serious crimes.
> INCOMMUNICADO
> If the Rich pardon was all about money, then what are we to make of an email
> from Rich's legal team released by the Burton committee that shows a
> respected public figure such as Abe Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation
> League, intimately involved in the genesis of the Rich pardon effort?
> Shortly after launching this campaign, Avner Azulay, head of the Marc Rich
> Foundation and a former top-ranking Mossad agent, emailed Robert Fink, a New
> York lawyer, and informed him that "We are reverting to the idea discussed
> with Abe [Anti-Defamation League head Abraham Foxman], which is to send DR
> [Denise Rich] on a 'personal' mission to NO1. with a well-prepared script."
> Congressional investigators don't think they're taking a wild guess as to
> the identity of "NO1." But the real question is: just what is a committed
> ideologue like Abe Foxman doing trying to get Rich off? Surely he had
> limited interest in acting as a bagman for the Clinton presidential library.
> These days, Foxman - usually a voluble sort - is uncharacteristically
> incommunicado. The mystery deepens.
> A LAST RESORT
> Similarly, what about the long list of Israeli dignitaries and American
> supporters of Israel who lent their names to the effort to pardon Rich by
> writing letters? Why haven't we heard from them? The head of the
> taxpayer-funded Holocaust Museum in Washington sent a letter to the
> President on official stationary asking for clemency in Rich's case, a
> revelation that many in the Jewish community find deeply disturbing. But the
> Burton committee is unlikely to subpoena Foxman, or any of the others who
> went to bat for Rich, because such a hearing would soon be denounced and
> discredited as an anti-Semitic witch-hunt. However, under the relentless
> gaze of congressional investigators, as the details of this unusual pardon
> come into public view, this reaction is bound to become less effective - yet
> that won't stop anyone from resorting to smears.
> NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT
> Indeed, one of the few columnists to bring up the Mossad-Rich connection,
> Taki, has now become the subject of a vicious attack by none other than his
> own publisher, Conrad Black, who owns the Spectator, whom he absurdly
> compares to Goebbels. Taki's crime? Simply relaying information that ought
> to be not at all surprising, given Rich's longstanding and well-known
> relationship with the Israeli intelligence agency. Black is shocked -
> shocked! - that anyone would suggest the US would invade another country's
> airspace, even in going after an international fugitive. And as for pointing
> to the direct intervention of the Israeli government on Rich's behalf as
> evidence that Washington is "Israeli-occupied territory" - that is
> characterized by Black as depicting the "universal Jewish ethos as brutish,
> vulgar, grasping and cunningly wicked." Well, uh, not exactly - but it is
> evidence that the Mossad looks after its own assets, and Israel looks after
> its perceived national interest. Not that there's anything wrong with that -
> if it didn't involve perverting the American political process, subverting
> the Constitution, and making a mockery of America around the world.
> "BLOOD LIBEL" - OR BITTER TRUTH?
> But Black would have none of this: Taki, he screeched, has uttered a "blood
> libel" against the Jews - for any criticism of Israel, as he makes clear in
> his long, rambling screed, is "stoking the fires of anti-Semitism": it seems
> the British media is particularly guilty of this when they portray Israel in
> an unfavorable light, he avers, "either consciously or unconsciously." Black
> seems particularly upset that Taki mentioned the frequent killing of
> Palestinian children barely into their teens by Israeli troops - although
> how this is a "blood libel" against all Jews everywhere (as opposed to those
> in command of the Israeli military effort) is not at all clear. Nor is it
> meant to be clear: the effectiveness of this type of smear is precisely in
> its lack of specificity. To call Taki's piece a "blood libel" - a term with
> a very specific, and quite horrific historical meaning - is surely a case of
> literary abuse virtually unparalleled in the history of author-publisher
> relations.
> A GANGSTER'S SOIREE
> Like all smears of this type, Black's attack refers to the text of Taki's
> piece only minimally: in it, aside from the all-too-believable story cited
> above, Taki points out that a piece by him in the New York Press was
> censored by the editors when he said that Rich's contributions to Israel
> should not count as philanthropy insofar as they pay for armor-piercing
> bullets shot at teenagers. He also points out the main lessons of this
> tawdry affair, which are two-fold. First, that the little guys go to jail
> while the big crooks thrive - a bit of popular wisdom that seems pretty much
> incontestable. He relates the story of some jet-setter who was eager to
> attend one of Marc Rich's soirees:
> "When I asked her whether she would go to a party given, say, by John Gotti,
> the dapper Don, as the Big Bagel tabloids refer to him, she told me it was
> not the same thing. 'Yes,' I said. 'Gotti is dumb and in jail; Rich, the far
> bigger criminal and traitor, is in St. Moritz.' That's the way it goes,
> sports fans. The truly big crooks get away with it and go to St. Moritz and
> Gstaad, the little guys go to the big house up the river."
> ITALIAN POWER!
> The absurdity of the charge of anti-Semitism leveled against Taki - and,
> presumably, against anyone who asks questions about the pivotal role played
> by Israel and its supporters in this affair - is underscored by the above.
> For if we look at Rich as just another gangster, a more "legitimate" and
> slick version of some Mafia chieftain, then the charge of religious or
> ethnic bigotry is put in its proper context. What if the Italian government
> had mobilized all its resources to get John Gotti a presidential pardon?
> What if the head of the Italian Anti-Defamation League - if there is such a
> group - had played an instrumental role in all this, along with the mayor of
> Rome and the Italian Prime Minister - not to mention Luciano Pavarotti and
> Sophia Loren? A presidential pardon in this case would have unleashed an
> equivalent storm of protest - at the very least! - and the intervention of
> the Italian government would have been denounced far and wide. These unusual
> circumstances would definitely become the subject of at least one
> congressional investigation, if not a criminal probe - and, in this case,
> the cry of "discrimination" or "bigotry" against Italians just wouldn't
> wash, now would it?
> A LONG TIME COMING
> The exposure of this curious double-standard has been a long time coming.
> Behavior that would not be tolerated in any other country, never mind a
> close ally - and recipient of billions in foreign aid - has long been
> actively encouraged by the US government, and that is what this sorry
> episode has proved beyond a doubt. As Taki put it, elucidating the second
> lesson of the Marc Rich affair:.
> "[Rich] also proved what we, soi-disant anti-Semites for daring to protest
> about soldiers shooting at kids, always knew. The way to Uncle Sam's heart
> runs through Tel Aviv and Israeli-occupied territory. Rich and Clinton
> deserve each other. Both make everyone around them seem bigger."
> NOBODY EDITS THE PUBLISHER
> In his diatribe against his own columnist, Black absurdly claims that by
> describing himself as a "soi-disant anti-Semite" Taki had "admitted his
> anti-Semitism." Will somebody please tell this rube what soi-disant means?
> This is what happens when a publisher takes to writing for his own
> publications - nobody dares to edit him, and the result is often an
> embarrassment. Taki takes Black to task in his rebuttal, and makes mincemeat
> of the grotesquely overstated attempt to destroy his reputation - although
> Black still gets in the last word in a dishonest addendum - but the point is
> how many of his fellow conservatives will speak up on his behalf?
> INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW
> Rich's role as a money-launderer for ex-Soviet apparatchiks who spirited
> billions out of Russia - most of that coming out of US taxpayers' wallets -
> and his value to the former East Germany, which once offered $250 million in
> cash if the US would drop the charges against him, makes it obvious that the
> pardoning process in this case was not a negotiation between a government
> and a private individual. Rich is no ordinary private individual, and not
> only on account of his great wealth: for chief among his assets are his
> political connections with foreign governments, including not only Israel
> but in Russia where he wields enormous influence. The merger of his
> commodities business with the Russian Alfa group, run by billionaire
> oligarch Mikhael Fridman, was recently announced: Rich and Fridman, along
> with a passel of ex-Commies, succeeded in stripping the assets of the old
> USSR and spiriting them out of the country. Through a series of maneuvers,
> both legal and perhaps otherwise, they established a virtual monopoly over
> Russia's rich aluminum industry, and soon began to move into other areas.
> The point is that Rich has access to more resources than many foreign
> governments, and, in any case, the extended negotiations that began as early
> as last year were conducted, on Rich's behalf, by at least one foreign
> government, Israel. Now, Ehud Barak is telling us that, contrary to the
> testimony of three Clinton aides, he didn't phone Clinton three times to
> plead Rich's case - it was only once, and then only at the end of a long
> conversation as a kind of afterthought. But there can be little doubt that
> Israel, acting in concert with a variety of private interests, both here and
> abroad, launched a major campaign to free a man who had flouted US law
> enforcement for 17 years, thumbing his nose at America from the alpine
> safety of his Swiss hideaway. Why?
> MILDLY INSULTING?
> If it is now considered "anti-Semitic" to express the least bit of curiosity
> about the answer to this question, then an awful lot of American Jews are
> going to be put in that category. "Israeli officials have absolutely no
> business in this kind of enterprise," averred Martin Begun, formerly head of
> the New York Jewish Community Relations Council. "It wasn't in Israeli
> interests, and it certainly wasn't in American Jewish interests. By any
> definition, it was harmful meddling." But not according to the Weekly
> Standard: an article in that neoconservative flagship by Christopher
> Caldwell compares the degree of influence wielded by Israel in this case to
> the lobbying efforts of Mexico on behalf of Mexican immigrants: "So Israel's
> intervention constitutes a mildly insulting interference with American
> government, similar to, though of a lesser degree than, Mexican president
> Ernesto Zedillo's strident public opposition to California's anti-immigrant
> Proposition 187 in 1994. Clinton responded to Zedillo's provocation by
> ignoring it, not by citing it as an excuse for his own opposition to
> Proposition 187."
> AN ANALOGY GONE AWRY
> Say what? How is billionaire Marc Rich in any way equivalent to some illegal
> immigrant who owns only the clothes on his back? This sorely lacks the
> balance of a good analogy. Is it only a "mild" insult to the American system
> of justice to reward an international fugitive who has spit in the face of
> his own country by renouncing his citizenship? We have come to a sorry pass
> indeed if the absurdity of this needs to be explained to a writer for an
> ostensibly conservative periodical.
> THE AMEN CORNER
> Caldwell dismisses the reasons stated by Israeli and Jewish-American
> leaders - mostly Rich's philanthropic activities in Israel, and his
> generosity to Jewish organizations - as being ample and sufficient reason
> for their support to the fugitive's cause. It wasn't out of a sense that
> Rich had been unjustly accused (none disputed the facts of the case, or
> claimed religious or ethnic persecution); it wasn't for money - Caldwell
> rightly points out that "Israel is not alone in its use of Rich's
> philanthropic largesse"; and it wasn't on account of the Israeli-Palestinian
> peace process, either (Barak was demanding freedom for Jonathan Pollard, it
> seems, not Rich). But, strangely, Caldwell gives no alternative reasons for
> this fulsome and very well-organized support. These pardons "were about
> Clinton and only about Clinton," he insists, but this is obviously not the
> case: they were also, indubitably, about Marc Rich. What is it about this
> man that inspired such loyalty, not only from his paid retainers but also
> from a large unpaid contingent of apologists, what you might call his
> American amen corner?
> CAUGHT IN A WEB
> Clinton claimed on the Gerald Rivera show the other day that the lobbying by
> Israeli officials and dignitaries had a "profound" effect on his decision to
> grant the pardon. Here is the perfect camouflage, the best way to cover up
> this whole affair: for who would ever believe that, for once in his life,
> our ex-President is telling the truth? Yet the different strands of the Marc
> Rich story - stretching from New York to Switzerland, from the former Soviet
> Union to Tel Aviv, from the Oval Office to the steppes of Central Asia -
> form a web that seems to have caught at least one American President in its
> silken threads. This could not be a better position for the Republicans, who
> can sit back and watch the ritual humiliation of their old enemy - whilst
> piously calling for the media (and the Burton committee) to "move on." But
> the GOP, no less than the Democrats, is less than eager to open this can of
> worms: for any inquiry into the influence of foreign lobbyists on the US
> government is bound to have unpleasant consequences on both sides of the
> aisle. The uncomfortable look on Dick Cheney's face this [Sunday] morning,
> as he was being asked by CNN's Wolf Blitzer about "Scooter" Libby's
> testimony should put us all on notice: this is one "investigation" that
> seems fated to go nowhere.
> ISRAEL VERSUS THE JEWS
> Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and professional talking head,
> is going around saying that Clinton is trying to "blame it on the Jews."
> "This," snorts Kristol, "is a new low, even for him." But this will not do.
> Clinton, who parses his words with lawyerly precision, did not say "the
> Jews" had a "profound" effect on his decision, but that "Israel" did - and
> the two are far from identical. Those who put the interests of a foreign
> government above their own are not going to get off as easily as that - no
> matter what their ethnicity or religion. Unless, of course, the
> investigation into the Rich pardon is nipped in the bud, or diverted into a
> dead end.
> IS BILL CLINTON AN ANTI-SEMITE?
> Far be it from me to defend Clinton, but I truly doubt whether, among his
> other foibles, he harbors a secret fondness for the Protocols of the Elders
> of Zion. Nobody is blaming "the Jews" for anything: but the government of
> Israel, and its American amen corner - not an exclusively Jewish preserve,
> by any means - must be held accountable for their reckless intervention in
> this outrageous case. Someone, somehow, must finally hold this lobby, and
> its foreign sponsor, to account: this incident shows that Washington truly
> is, as both Taki and Pat Buchanan put it, "Israeli-occupied territory" - and
> it is high time something was done about it. That is why we need a real
> investigation. We don't need to "move on," we need to find out how and why
> an American president made a mockery out of the rule of law and the
> Constitution. As more facts come to light, and the furor mounts, it is
> becoming clear that - no matter how much money Rich might have funneled into
> the Clintonian presidential library - the damage to Clinton's reputation
> (let alone the Democratic party) would hardly be worth any amount of money.
> HAVING IT BOTH WAYS
> Yesterday, the anti-Clinton conservatives were saying that he would do
> anything for a "legacy" - today, they're telling us that he would eagerly
> trade that legacy for less than half a million in cash, the amount Denise
> Rich is said to have given (not counting a cool million over the years). But
> you can't have it both ways. Having accepted a bribe, especially one so
> easily traceable, his library would then be the repository of his final
> defeat. Surely the irony of this could not have escaped someone as clever as
> Clinton, who could easily have foreseen and avoided such a fate.
> MAKING DEMANDS
> There are many questions raised by the ongoing investigations that many in
> Washington and elsewhere would just as soon not have answered. Before this
> is over, phony charges of "anti-Semitism" will be made against anyone who
> dares to question the role of Israel and its supporters in America in this
> horrific miscarriage of justice - but that tactic didn't work with Pat
> Buchanan, it won't work with Taki, and it won't work with ordinary Americans
> of any ethnicity, including many prominent Jews, who want to know why an
> American president obeyed the demands of a foreign government over the
> demands of justice.

Jewboy who stole millions from the US taxpayer, and got forgiven by
Billy boy!



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From: Venceremos 
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On Apr 23, 9:52 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1177334528.179873.209...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > BLACKWATER security, that's who-the same ones who violate Geneva in
> > Iraq.
>
> Now how did he do that Alex!

THEY PAY BLACKWATER KILLERS $30,000 A MONTH TO SLAUGHTER IRAQIS, THAT
IS HOW



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Subject: Re: ADL News tells it like it is
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On Apr 23, 10:48 am, ADL Reporter  wrote:
> http://ADLNews.usfights Bigotry, Extremism and Hate by exposing the
> perpetrators. Tell your friends.

ZIONAZIS ARE THE BIGGEST HATERS, AND THE BIGGEST MASS MURDERERS SINCE
ADOLF HITLER BLEW HIS BRAINS OUT



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On Apr 23, 3:47 pm, larsonchris...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 23, 7:30 am, Venceremos  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 7:59 am, "Benyamin C'ramer" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > "cindys"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:462ba32e$0$27030$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> > > > "Don Levey"  wrote in message
> > > >news:m3odliomnw.fsf@dauphin.the-leveys.us...
>
> > > >> Actually, various sodas have been used with great success
> > > >> in meat marinades.  In particular, Coke has made for some
> > > >> interesting briskets.
> > > > -------
> > > > Roast which has been marinated in (sugar-sweetened, not diet) Coca-Cola
> > > > and
> > > > onion soup mix has become a Pesach tradition at my house. Sometimes I also
> > > > add some dried fruit before popping it in the oven. Delicious!
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > ---Cindy s.
>
> > Yep, Coke and roast beef! Some dish!  Plus some dried plums and pussy
> > feathers to top it off! Make sure you never get invited to Jew food
> > dinner!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Actually, you should be so lucky. Bagels & lox,  cheesecake, corned
> beef. My friends mom's raisen kugel was out of this world!

Actually, you are full of shit. None of things you describe above were
invented by Jews, but was stolen by them from other cultures. Kugel
for instance is an ancient german dish



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  JEWISH "SUFFERING SOCCOTASHES"
The Myth Of Jewish Refugees From Arab Land
Dr. Elias Akleh




Victimizing the Jews has been the successful old political trick
Zionists have been using to gain international political sympathy for
the Israeli cause, and to justify all aggression and terror the
Israeli army perpetrates on Palestinians and on the neighboring Arab
countries. Whenever the international views turn against Israel, due
to its aggression, a new Jewish victimizing story pops up.

One such late story I happened to come across on page 106 of March
19th. 2007 issue of U.S. News Magazine, was titled "You deserve a
factual look at... The Forgotten Refugees. Why does nobody care about
the Jewish refugees from Arab lands?" The article was published as an
advertisement by FLAME (Facts and Logic About the Middle East), who
claims to "publish the truth about Israel and the Middle East conflict
in advertisements and letters to editors nationwide."

The advertisement claims that there exist what it called Jewish
refugees from Arab countries, and makes some comparison between these
Jewish refugees and Arab refugees in an attempt to point to alleged
international injustice when the UN spends "... many billions of
dollars" on the Arab refugees while forgetting the Jewish refugees.
The advertisement tries to avoid calling the Arab refugees by their
true name: Palestinian refugees, in an attempt to deny any moral and
legal responsibility of Zionist Israel in violating Palestinians'
human rights and creating Palestinian refugee problem.

The advertisement attempts to refute "A myth that Jews had an easy
life in Muslim/Arab countries". It claims that Jews under Islam were
treated worse than second class citizens "governed by a system of
discrimination intended to reduce Jews ... to conditions of humiliation,
segregation and violence".

The truth is that Jews were treated, under Islam in the Arab World,
better than any other place they had lived in the whole world at the
time. They were treated like any other ethnic groups, e.g. Christians,
with full citizenship that included freedom and rights like the rest
of the citizens. They were allowed to live and worship freely in
Jerusalem, where they were barred entrance by ancient Romans and
European Christian Crusaders. When European Jews faced persecution
since the start of Crusaders campaigns, they did not find any safe
haven for themselves except in Islamic and Arab countries in North
Africa and in the Middle East. Many of those Jews fought along side
Muslim and Christian Arabs against the Crusaders, who called for the
slaughter of every Jew for crucifying Jesus. In his book "Bitter
Harvest" Palestinian scholar Sami Hadawi described this Jewish haven
as follows:

"During the Middle Ages, North Africa and the Arab Middle East became
places of refuge and a haven for the persecuted Jews of Spain and
elsewhere... In the Holy Land they lived together in harmony, a harmony
only disrupted when the Zionists began to claim that Palestine was the
'rightful' possession of the 'Jewish people' to the exclusion of its
Moslem and Christian inhabitants"

The Jewish writer Dan Peretz described this situation in his book "The
Arab Israeli Dispute" as follows: "Most Jews in Palestine belonged to
old Yishuv, or community, that had settled there more for religious
than for political reasons. There was little of any conflict between
them and the Arab population. Tension began after first Zionist
settlers arrived in the 1880's"

Although given freedom like any other citizens a group of the Jews,
believing themselves to be the elite God's chosen people, who should
not mix and mingle with the others, "Goyims", as been taught by their
prophets, had isolated themselves into ghettos the same way they had
lived throughout Europe. Those, who had the courage to venture out of
the ghettos, had flourished and reached high employment positions in
Arabic governments and societies. Many had become the financial and
trade centers of the Arab World. This fact contradicts the
advertisement claims that Jews "... were excluded from society, from
government, and from most professions ... They were barely tolerated
and often... were victimized by vicious violence" Some extremist
fundamentalist Jews, who had their noses up in the sky believing
themselves to be the chosen people and better than all other nations,
had invited rejection and intolerance from all nations, not just from
Arabs, to such snobby racist attitudes.

The advertisement goes on further to claim that Jews in the Arab World
were subjected to systematic violence and persecution after the
establishment of Israel in 1948 and after Six Days War in 1967. "When
Israel declared its statehood in 1948, programs broke out across the
entire Arab/Muslim world. Thousands died in this violence... The vast
majority of those Jews fled from where they had lived for centuries.
They had to leave everything behind. Most of those who were able to
escape found their way to the just-created state of Israel"

The programs, the advertisement does not clarify, were terrorist acts
perpetrated by Zionists against Jewish communities in the Arab World,
as well as throughout European countries to coerce the Jews to
immigrate to Palestine to establish the alleged safe haven; Israel, on
usurped Palestinian land. Zionist zealots and some mercenaries had
fire-bombed Jewish synagogues and shops, damaged Jewish cemeteries,
and painted hate graffiti to create anti-Jewish climate. Zionist offer
of free transportation, free housing, and free salaries had encouraged
a lot of Jews to surrender their fate to the Zionist plan. Those, who
immigrated, had plenty of time to sell their properties before
leaving.

The Arabs, contrary to the claims, did not subject their long-time
neighboring Jews to violence since they distinguished between a Jew
and a Zionist. Yet those Jews, who were disillusioned by Zionism and
became "enemy combatants" and spies within the Arab World, had to be
dealt with as such.

The advertisement brags about "Israel received every one of those
Jewish refugees from Arab countries with brotherly open arms; it
housed, fed and quickly integrated them into Israeli society". It is
true that Zionist Israel had received immigrant Jews, paid all
expenses including transportation, rent, and monthly salaries until
they were integrated in Israeli society. Yet this reception was not
out of brotherly love. Those immigrant Jews were, deliberately,
drowned into financial debt so that they could not leave Israel, after
discovering the trap set for them, without repaying all the expenses
plus interests. Young Jewish immigrants, and every new generation of
their offsprings, have been conscripted into the Israeli terrorist
army to kill and to be killed for the interests of rich pro-Zionist
corporations of the West.

The advertisement repeats the old myth, that had been told and refuted
so many times, that Palestinians had fled from Palestine after the
Israeli occupation "... following the strident invocations of their
leaders ...so as to make room for invading Arab armies", who according
the advertisement will kill all the Jews so that Palestinians "could
return to reclaim their properties and that of the Jews, all of whom
would have been killed ..." by Arab armies.

Palestinians, like any other people, would never leave their homes
voluntarily, and Arab leaders had never invoked them to leave. Sami
Hadawi refuted this claim in his book "Bitter Harvest" stating the
fact that "British Broadcasting Corporation monitored all Middle
Eastern broadcasts throughout 1948. The records, and companion ones by
a US monitoring unit, can be seen at the British Museum. There was not
a single order or appeal, or suggestion about evacuation from
Palestine from any Arab radio station, inside or outside Palestine in
1948. There is a repeated monitored record of Arab appeals, even flat
orders, to the civilians of Palestine to stay put".

This myth aims to erase guilt and moral responsibilities off Jewish
shoulders for perpetrating the cruelest and ugliest massacres against
mostly unarmed Palestinian villagers, and parading their women and
children in the streets of Jerusalem to terrorize the rest of the
Palestinians into fleeing out of their villages for their lives and
for their honor when Zionist terror organizations, such as Irgun and
Hagana, spread the rumors of their plans to attack Palestinian
villages. Jewish historian Ilan Pappe, in his book "The Link",
mentions this fact: "The Israeli forces expelled the Palestinians from
every village and town they occupied. In some cases, this expulsion
was accompanied by massacres of civilians as was the case in Lydda,
Ramleh, Dawimiyya, Sa'sa, Ein Zietun and other places. Expulsion also
accompanied by rape, looting and confiscation".

During wars people panic and flee their homes searching for safety.
Yet they have always been able to return to their homes when danger
subsides. Military conquest does not abolish private rights to
property, nor does it entitle the victor to confiscate properties of
civilian population. Even if the claims were true that Palestinians
left their homes on the commands of their leaders, they still have the
right to return to their homes and properties that had been stolen by
Zionist immigrants. This right is protected by international law as
noted by the noted Jewish writer and thinker Professor Erich Fromm "In
international law, the principle holds true that no citizen loses his
property or his right of citizenship; and the citizenship right is de
facto a right to which the Arabs in Israel have much more legitimacy
than the Jews".
Israel's rejection of Palestinians' right of return has been on the
top of their political agenda, which led them to break all UN
resolutions regarding this matter, break all international laws,
violate Palestinians' human rights, and reject all Arab peace
initiatives.

The advertisement continues with its allegations "... the Arab countries
resolutely refused to accept Arab refugees into their societies. They
confined them into so-called refugee camps ...to keep them as a
festering sore and to make solution of the Arab/Israel conflict
impossible. These refugees, whose number has by now miraculously
increased from their original 650 thousands to 5 millions, are
seething with hatred toward Israel, and provide the cadres for
terrorists and suicide bombers"

The Arab countries, mainly Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon, had received
the majority of Palestinian refugees, who became a burden on the
already impoverished economy of these countries, who, unlike Israel,
were not receiving three billions of Dollars annually from the US. The
majority of these refugees (now numbers about 7.5 million and not only
5 million) want to go back to their own homeland and their homes that
were illegally occupied by terrorist Israelis. They fight to regain
what is rightfully theirs, unlike the terrorist Israeli army, who
fight to usurp lands of other people.

As for the solution of the Arab/Israeli conflict, the Arabs had
offered Israel many peaceful solutions, yet Israelis categorically
rejected them because without the conflict they could not keep
usurping more lands to build "Greater Israel". The latest Arab peace
initiative of last month, March 2007, offered Israel to keep 78% of
Palestine for permanent peace and normalization of diplomatic
relationships with all Arab countries. Yet Israel, as usual, rejected
this offer.

The advertisement acknowledges that "since 1947 there have been over
100 UN resolutions concerning Palestinian refugees, but there has not
been one single resolution addressing the horrible injustice done to
the nearly one million Jewish refugees from the Arab states"

This paragraph refutes the advertisement's claim by showing that the
international community has recognized and acknowledged the existence
of a genuine Palestinian refugee problem, and the non existence of the
false called-for Jewish refugees from Arab countries. That is why "a
special branch of the United Nation (UNRWA) exists for the maintenance
of those refugees" (created by Israelis) as the article notices.
Israel, backed by successive American administrations, had ignored
those UN resolutions that aimed to solve the Palestinian refugees'
problem, rather than spending billion of Dollars "contributed by the
US" as the advertisement objects. It, also, totally ignores the
attention the world had focused on the issue of the Holocaust, the
compensation in hundreds of billions of Dollars to Israeli Jews,
making even the study of the Holocaust an international crime, and
sentencing, fining and imprisoning all the renowned historians, who
questioned some of its details.

The advertisement criticizes the Arab's justifiable right to ask for
compensations, and the Palestinian refugees' legitimate right to
return to their homeland, "what has been Israel for almost 60 years",
where Palestinian tribes had lived for over than three thousand years.
It concludes by stating "But if there is to be any compensation, those
forgotten Jewish refugees are certainly entitled to such compensation
as much as the Arab refugees. Anything else would be an outrage and a
great injustice"

The advertisement neglected to mention the most important point in
this refugee issue, namely that the Palestinian refugees were
forcefully ejected from their homes according to the Zionist ideology
that is based on the idea of "people substitution"; the expulsion
'transfer' of Palestinians out of Palestine, and the implanting of
Jews in their place. The idiom of "Jewish state is unthinkable without
compulsory transfer of the Arabs to the Arab states" had been adopted
since the first Zionist Congress in Basle in 1897, and had been
repeated by notorious Zionist leaders such as British Zionist Israel
Zangwill, Haim Weisman, Theodor Herzl, Nahman Syrkin (founder of
Social Zionism), Selig Soskin (director of Jewish National Fund), and
many others.

On the other hand the so-called Jewish refugees (Zionist Jews) from
Arab countries had plenty of time to plan their leave and to liquidate
all their properties, and to be fed, resettled and compensated
directly by American tax money, where the annual three billion Dollars
financial aid pays almost $3,000.00 monthly for every Israeli, not
mentioning all the economic aid and tons and tons of military
equipment that are given freely to the terrorist Israeli army to
inflict terror on Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis and
Iranians.

Finally the advertisement gives a comparison between bogus numbers of
the Jews in some Arab countries before and after 1948; countries where
Zionists had successfully transferred their Jewish population to
occupied Palestine (Israel). It ignores to mention the large number of
Jews, who are still living, flourishingly, in Northern African Muslim
Arab countries, in Turkey, and even in Iran (the so-called extremist
Islamic and terrorist supporting country), that houses the largest
Jewish population, 25,000 of them, in the Middle East outside Israel,
and are represented by a Jewish MP, Maurice Mohtamed.

The publishing organization (FLAME) of this so-called "factual look",
whose claimed purpose is the research, publication of facts, and
exposing false propaganda about the Middle East, seems to do the exact
opposite; it distorts the facts and spreads false propaganda instead.

The simple truth of the Arab/Israeli conflict had been reflected by
Indian leader and peace teacher Mahatma Ghandi when he stated:
"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs
to the English and France belongs to the French"

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 TAKE YOUR FUCKING JEW DRUG PEDDLERS AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR JEW ARSE!


Police, Customs bust $37m drug import

April 23, 2007 12:00
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AN Israeli national has been charged with trying to import the
synthetic drug MDMA, with a street value of $37 million, into
Australia inside three hot water tanks.

About 113kg of MDMA powder, usually found in ecstasy, was discovered
inside 172 tennis ball cans packed in three of six solar hot water
systems in a cargo shipment.

Customs officers at Port Botany spotted the cans during an X-ray last
month of the container, sent from Israel.

Australian Federal Police (AFP) officers substituted the drug with
another substance then monitored the cargo's delivery to a warehouse
in Artarmon, in Sydney's north.

A 46-year-old man from Bellingen, on the mid-north coast, was arrested
yesterday, police and customs said.

Police raided the warehouse, a property in Marrickville, in Sydney's
inner-west, a car in the inner-city and a Melbourne house, where
officers seized $25,000 in cash.

The man was charged with one count of importing a commercial quantity
of border-controlled drug, namely MDMA and one count of attempting to
possess a commercial quantity of a border-controlled drug.

He is due in Coffs Harbour Local Court today.

AFP Sydney office manager David Stewart said the joint operation
prevented a significant amount of a dangerous drug from making it onto
Australian streets.

"Depending on the purity of the powder, which will be determined by
further AFP forensic testing, it could have been used to manufacture
at least 1.2 million tablets of ecstasy," Mr Stewart said.

"This means the street value of this powder could be worth more than
$37 million," he said.





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 OR STUFF IT UP YOUR STUPID JEW ARSE



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 ZIONAZI ORIGINS OF THE WORLD PROBLEMS

The Israeli Origins of Bush II's War

http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_isrorgs.htm

Iran: The Next War (for Israel):

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=56761


Coming War with Iran for Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=66948



Israel's Olmert Olmert Counting on Jewish Lobby to foil Baker-Hamilton

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=63541


The Israel Lobby
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

More Evidence that Mearsheimer and Walt are Right (scroll down to
Comments section as well):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-alterman/more-evidence-that-mearsh_b_36373.html


Additional about Mearsheimer/Walt paper at following URL:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=49800



A War for Israel?: Colin Powell Seems to Think So:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=61128


JINSA/Israel lobby pushed for Iraq quagmire:

http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles114.htm

Here is the 'Men from JINSA and CSP' article (from 'The Nation') which
Robert Fisk mentions in the above article:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest

Whose War?:

http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html


Iraq War Conceived in Israel Author (Stephen Sniegoski) on Current
Issues TV:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=44249

Zionist Censorship Rebuffed in South Africa:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=60864

JINSA Israel firsters: 'IRAQ DONE, IRAN LEFT TO GO':

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=32610


Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=32606

Zelikow is mentioned in the Mearsheimer/Walt paper on the pro-Israel
lobby as having said that the Iraq war was for Israel:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

Scroll down to mention of Zelikow at following URL:

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/08/cindy-sheehan-mother-of-spc-casey.html

Carter Says Mearsheimer and Walt are right:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=63875

Syrian Ambassador to the USA mentions 'A Clean Break'/war for Israel
agenda:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=36041

First Stop Syria; Next Stop Iran

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=38580

Bush's Wrecking Crew: Breaking Iraq into Six Pieces

http://kurtnimmo.com/blog/index.php?p=689

http://www.nowarforisrael.com

http://nomorewarforisrael.blogspot.com

Complete timeline of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq: Motives :

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=motivesBehindWar

Bush Opts for Civil War in Iraq
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts05282005.html


Exit strategy: Civil war :


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF10Ak03.html


Re: Military Draft (for more war for Israel):


http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=35640

The War and the Israel-Zionist Hypothesis By James Petras

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=34928

Jewish JINSA/PNAC Neocon (Richard Perle) Calls for the Bombing of Iran
for Israel:

http://gorillaintheroom.blogspot.com/2005/05/perle-calls-for-invasion-of-iran.html

Perle's Pogrom


http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/05/perles-pogrom.html

'A Clean Break'/War for Israel (from James Bamford's 'A Pretext for
War'):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=28769

Eric Alterman: Can We Talk (about the Jewish Neocons)

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=33428

Jewish Neocons use 'democracy and freedom/liberty' propaganda to mask
their long desired war for Israel agenda:

http://www.vdare.com/misc/macdonald_neoconservatism.htm


Neoconservatism is a Jewish Movement:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=32606

AIPAC Fifth Columnists Push US to Attack Iran for Israel Next:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=34539



Neocon Coalition for Democracy in Iran:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=35484

After the Downing Street Memo: Case for Impeachment Builds

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=35872


http://www.nowarforisrael.com


http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

http://nomorewarforisrael.blogspot.com

Live links:http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=33763



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 22 Jewish Leaders Arrested Calling for Removal of Iran at UN

by Alex Traiman

(IsraelNN.com) Twenty-one rabbis, and a Jewish community layperson
were arrested at the United Nations Tuesday, demanding that Iran be
removed from the international body.

The group, organized by AMCHA - Coalition for Jewish Concerns, was
arrested by New York City Police and imprisoned for several hours
after peacefully crossing over from the public city street to the
steps leading down to the United Nations.
OU Contest

AMCHA Director, and Rabbi of the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, Avi
Weiss stated in response to his incarceration, "It's a serious matter
to step beyond the line, to violate the law. But we must do so as a
moral outcry to the world that it can't be business as usual. The time
has come to expel Iran from the United Nations."

After being warned of their impending arrest, the group sat down under
the large Peace Wall quoting the words of the biblical prophet Isaiah:
"Nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they
learn war any more."

At the rally which began several blocks away at the Iranian Mission to
the UN, Weiss exclaimed, "There's a fire burning, and we must raise a
voice of moral outrage. We urge that the presence of any Iranian
delegation be protested, that pressure be put on countries not to
trade with Iran, that state governments divest from companies trading
with Iran, and that nations signed on to the Genocide Convention
strongly condemn Iranian President Ahmadinejad who's threatened to
wipe Israel off the map.

"We demand that the United Nations expel Iran, which has threatened to
annihilate Israel, a fellow UN member state."

The group then proceeded to the headquarters of the World body, with
the intent of getting arrested.

Former Deputy District Attorney, turned Conservative Rabbi, Mark
Ankcorn, of the Southwest Orlando Jewish Congregation stated prior to
his arrest, "It's not a decision I take lightly, believe me. I've
never written a letter to the editor, never written my congressman or
my senator about any issue, never been a part of a sit-down or teach-
in or anything else.

"But the government of Iran denies the Holocaust and supplies the
rockets that killed dozens in Israel this past summer. They furiously
seek nuclear weapons and kidnap British sailors. When will it stop?
When will we stand up and say, Enough?"

Rabbi Joseph Potasnick, president of the New York Board of Rabbis,
stated after the protest, "Iranian President Ahmadinejad says he'll
wipe Israel off the map. We say, remove the map from him -- he should
not be allowed to enter any halls of power anywhere. Ahmadinejad
should be made to feel like a pariah."

Conservative Rabbi Bruce Ginsburg of Congregation Sons of Israel
added, "Iran trains terrorists to murder Israelis and insurgents to
kill American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. We say to UN Secretary
General Ban Ki Moon, kick Iran out of the United Nations."

Each of the 22 arrested protestors were released after being held for
over five hours, and were charged with disorderly conduct. Each of the
protestors must appear in Criminal Court by May 15.

Following their release, organizers added, "We call upon the American
Jewish community to organize a mass march on Washington, joined by
hundreds of thousands, to raise a powerful voice of moral conscience
and a simple message: there's a fire burning, burning from Iran. There
cannot be business as usual until Iran is stopped."

"We are calling upon all rabbis and clergy of other faiths to join
together and in an act of civil disobedience demand that Iran be
expelled from the United Nations. To be successful in our mission, our
actions need to be continuous and make a significant impact that will
cause a shift around the world. On the week of Holocaust Remembrance
Day, we, the leaders of our communities, will stand together and show
the world that we will not tolerate Iran's threats to the Jewish
State, nor will we accept Iran's defiance of nuclear treaties without
being expelled from the UN."

The Arrested Community Leaders
Rabbi Mark Ankcorn, Southwest Orlando Jewish Congregation
Rabbi Moses Birnbaum, President, Long Island Board of Rabbis
Rabbi Steven Burton, Congregation Shaarei Shalom
Rafi Farber, rabbinical student, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah
Rabbi Jeffrey Fox
Rabbi Avidan Freedman, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah
Rabbi Bruce Ginsburg, Congregation Sons of Israel
Ben Greenberg, rabbinical student, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah
Yehuda Hausman, rabbinical student, Yeshivat Chovevai Torah
Rabbi Jason Herman, Congregation Beth Israel/West Side Jewish Center
Rabbi David Kalb, CLAL
Rabbi Pinchas Klein, Mount Freedom Jewish Center, Morasha
Rabbi Aryeh Leifert, Congregation Rodfei Sholom, San Antonio, Texas
Rabbi Ronald Price, Congregation Netivot Sholom, UTJ/Morasha
Glenn Richter, Amcha-Coalition for Jewish Concerns
Rabbi Aaron Rubinger, Congregation Ohev Shalom, Orlando, FL
Ross Shapiro, rabbinical student, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah
Rabbi Uri Topolosky, Hebrew Institute of Riverdale
Rabbi Avi Weiss, Hebrew Institute of Riverdale
Rabbi Akiva David Weiss, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah
Rabbi David Willig, Bayside Jewish Center



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 April 23, 2007

Chris Hedges is a journalist who for two decades was a foreign
correspondent for the New York Times spending much of his time
reporting from conflict zones in El Salvador, the Middle East and from
Serbia covering the Balkan wars of the 1990s that divided and
destroyed a country under the guise of humanitarian intervention
providing cover for naked imperialism. There it allowed NATO (meaning
the US) to expand into Central and Eastern Europe to keep predatory
capitalism on the march for markets, resources and cheap labor
everywhere using wars to get them and eliminate "uncooperative" heads
of state like Slobodan Milosevic who was kidnapped, Mafia/Mossad-
style, by the ICTY kangaroo court in the Hague, hung out to dry when
he got there, and in the end effectively or, in fact, murdered to shut
him up and prevent ugly truths coming out about what the conflict was
really about and who the real criminals were.

The wars and subsequent show-trials had nothing to do with myths about
it fed us by Western media. Those wanting the truth can find it in
excellent books like Diana Johnstone's Fools' Crusade; the extensive
research and writings of Edward Herman, Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti,
law professor Michael Mandel; and the newest book out on the subject
titled Travesty: The Trial of Slobodan Milosevic and the Corruption of
International Justice by British journalist John Laughland. Edward
Herman wrote a superb review of the book in the April, 2007 issue of Z
Magazine now available in which he pointedly says "the rules of the
(illegally constituted) ICTY (established by the US and UK) stood
Nuremberg on its head" and Laughland states "instead of applying
existing international law, the ICTY has effectively overturned it" to
hide NATO's crimes and allow more of the same playing out now in Iraq,
Afghanistan and Palestine.

The Christian Right supports these type crimes and motives for them
readers will understand from Hedges' new book. He's also written many
articles and is the author of four books including his bestselling War
Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning drawing on his experiences in the
conflicts he covered describing how people and nations behave in
wartime. The book was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle
Award for nonfiction. His newest book is American Fascists - The
Christian Right and the War on America published in 2007 and subject
of this review. It's an incisive examination of the huge threat
extremist Christian fascists pose to a shaky free society most people
in the US take for granted but no longer will after reading this
important book.

Hedges was educated at Colgate University and received a Master of
Divinity from Harvard Divinity School. For a time he was a seminarian
and is now a senior fellow at the Nation Institute as well as a writer
and lecturer at Princeton University where he teaches in the Program
for American Studies. He was also an early vocal critic of the Bush
administration's plan to attack, invade and occupy Iraq characterizing
war as "the most potent narcotic invented by humankind" while
professing not to be a pacifist.

This review will cover the essence and flavor of American Fascists
beginning with some background on the Christian right, its influence,
and danger it poses that Hedges covers in detail. He said he wrote the
book out of anger and fear of the fundamentalist Christian Right
seeking to establish theocratic dominion over society in America in
the name of God and is using the Republican party as their vehicle to
do it. He compares the movement's messianic mission to Italian and
German fascism of the last century cloaking itself in Christianity and
patriotism as their way to gain political power under theocracy's
literal meaning from the Greek words "Theos" meaning "God" and
"cratein/crasy" meaning to rule.

They're not kidding and neither is the risk they'll gain control of
government with some observers in Washington believing they already
have it including journalist/commentator Bill Moyers saying "for the
first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of
power in Washington." Some call them "The Christian Mafia" noting
they're well-funded by and allied with wealthy, powerful hard right
businessmen like beer magnate Joseph Coors and Amway founder Richard
DeVos, Sr. Hedges calls them American Fascists, and his powerful book
leaves no doubt how great a threat they are to our cherished liberties
in a free society now in great jeopardy. Below is an explanation of
the Christian Right and fundamentalist movement overall before getting
into the book.

The Christian Right and Its Fundamentalist Movement

The Christian or Religious Right is broadly defined to include
adherents of the radical or hard right embracing their kind of
extremist political, economic, social and religious ideology falsely
called conservative which is a relative term referring philosophically
to favoring traditional values including libertarian ones centered on
the right of everyone to be master of his or her own fate.

Earlier, sociologist scholar Sara Diamond wrote extensively on the
rise of right wing groups in the country providing readers with a
wealth of information based on her firsthand research. In her seminal
1995 book, Roads to Dominion, she traced the various movements over
the past 50 years identifying four types she discovered:

1. The anti-communist conservative movement that in the 1970s included
moral traditionalism of the emerging Christian Right.

2. The racist Right including the KKK and other segregationist groups
and later the paramilitary white supremacist movement.

3. The Christian Right with its evangelical roots, and

4. Neoconservatives with roots in the Cold War and Democrat party
later finding a new home in the Republican party under Ronald Reagan.

Diamond explained these movements involved scores of organizations,
not monolithic in beliefs, who nonetheless share a common set of
policy preferences that unite them listing three core areas - the
economy, the "nation-state in global context (military and
diplomatic)," and moral norms relating to race and gender. The
movements are also unified in their advocacy of free-market
capitalism, anticommunism (now anything left of center), US worldwide
military hegemony, traditional morality, superiority of native-born
white male Christian Americans, and the traditional nuclear family. In
addition, Diamond lists what she calls the "three pillars of the US
Right" calling them "tendencies, not absolutes" - libertarianism,
anticommunist militarism (now all liberal/progressive/leftist non-
extremist Christian ideology), and traditionalism.

In her book, Diamond included a detailed history of the Christian
Right explaining how it came to be the largest, most influential
movement on the far right dominating policy-making in Republican-led
governments and especially the one not yet in power under George W.
Bush. She explained it all in over 300 fact-crammed pages and another
100 pages of notes and references. It's important background
information summarized here briefly to set the stage for Hedges
important account of what the Christian Right is up to today, why it
matters, and why this dominant movement threatens freedom and
democracy in America and the values most here hold dear, including
most of the 70 million evangelicals, a minority of whom are radical
ideologues selling their dogma of hate and domination to convert the
others and destroy non-believers.

Our Secular State Founding Principles

Christians founded America believing church and state should be
separated, and Jefferson called for "a wall of separation" between
them in 1802 after freedom of religion became part of the First
Amendment to the Constitution. Today that bedrock founding principle
is jeopardized by the extremist Christian Right. If they get their
way, they'll tear down that wall with considerable public support from
the 40% in the country polls say take the Bible literally, and nearly
one-third believe in the "rapture" as Hedges explains in his book. The
notion comes from conservative Protestant eschatology denoting the
final happening when "good Christians" on earth are saved and
"raptured" to heaven to be with Jesus in eternal immortality while non-
believers are doomed to a more hellish, less "rapturous" fate Hedges
characterizes as suffering "unspeakable torments below."

These believers and all others are entitled to their views, but the
Constitution forbids them forcing them on others. Earlier Supreme
Courts agreed in decisions requiring a "wall of separation" between
church and state prohibiting the adoption of any state religion and
requiring government to avoid undue involvement in religion, its
trappings or expressions.

That status was put in jeopardy following the introduction in Congress
of the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004." It was then
reintroduced in near-identical form in 2005, never passed, and now
awaits its fate in the Democrat-led 110th Congress or a future one
that may or may not let it die. If it's ever adopted in its present
form, it will turn the country into a de facto theocracy despite its
supporters' denial. Don't believe them as getting this passed is key
to the Christian Right's mission to turn America into a fascist
theocracy where constitutional law is abolished in favor of extremist
Christian dogma Dominionists like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James
Dobson and others in the movement want to be the supreme law of the
land.

In their world, under their law, practitioners of other faiths will be
lawbreakers including about 75 million non-Christians and many others
of the faith not willing to go along with their interpretation of it.
The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2005" will also deny the Supreme
Court's right to challenge anyone in or affiliated with federal, state
or local government acknowledging the Christian "God (in their canon)
as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." Henceforth,
any judge at any level interpreting the new law differently would be
subject to impeachment and prosecution in the United (extremist
Christian) States of (fascist) America ruled by people like Pat
Robertson and others like him.

American Fascists Masquerading as True Christians - Defiling the
Teachings of Christ, His Twelve Apostles and Others of the Faith

Hedges begins his book with a powerful quote from Blaise Pascal that
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
>from religious conviction." Until the modern era, the best examples in
Christendom were the first Crusades when Popes like Urban II
sanctioned holy wars between 1095 - 1291 to wrest Jerusalem and the
"Holy Land" from "heretic" Muslims and later ones in the 16th century
against infidels - in the name of God.

Today in America, Dominionists are the new "crusaders" Hedges equates
with 20th century fascists because of their fanaticism. They cloak
their ideology in Christianity and patriotism as their way to gain
political power they claim is sanctioned by the Almighty to give the
movement moral legitimacy. But beneath the surface, their doctrine is
dark and foreboding posing real dangers to a free society not to be
taken lightly. It comes from their view of Genesis 1:26-31 they
interpret to mean God gave man "dominion....over all the Earth," and
that Jesus commanded his followers to impose godly rule over everyone
denouncing people of other faiths and non-believers. The modern
blueprint for this ideology comes from the writings of RJ Rushdoony's
1973 book, The Institutes of Biblical Law, calling for a Christian
government. It advocates torture and death for gays, non-Christians
resisting conversion, anyone committing blasphemy, and women guilty of
"unchastity before marriage."

Ideology of Radical Christian Right Fascists

Christian Right extremists advocate a frightening ideology detailed
below. It includes:

-- Racial hatred.

-- White Christian supremacy.

-- Blind adoration and obedience of the movement's leadership while
discouraging free and independent thought.

-- Male gender dominance portraying Jesus as a real man dominating
through force like a powerful warrior ignoring fundamental Christian
"thou shall not kill" doctrine. It's an ideology of hyermasculinity
centered in a male-dominated authoritarian church and in the home
where men are encouraged to dominate their wives, and women and
children are taught to submit.

Well-known Christian Right leader James Dobson built his career on
these ideas and now has a huge media empire dispensing advice as a
Christian therapist over his Focus on the Family program. He's heard
on more than 3000 radio stations and 80 TV stations reaching 200
million people in 116 countries from his 81 acre campus in Colorado
Springs, Colorado employing 1300 people. He's fiercely anti-choice and
anti-gay and has backed political candidates advocating abortionists
be executed. He also calls stem cell research "state-funded
cannibalism" and urges Christian parents take their children out of
public schools and put them in Christian ones teaching his ideology.

Dobson preaches male dominance calling non-submission a violation of
God's law. He also thinks murder is wrong but not when committed
against infidel Iraqis or Islamic terrorists saying all non-believers,
heretics and sinners will be consumed in an End Times Tribulation of
terrible calamities and torment lasting seven years with non-redeemers
condemned to eternal punishment. True believers adhering to holy
scriptures, however, will be saved and "raptured" to eternal life and
bliss in heaven. But getting there means going along with what he, End
Times guru Timothy LaHaye, and other dominant Christian Right figures
like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell preach including that they have a
divine right to rule and must be obeyed.

Hedges notes that televangelists like Robertson, Benny Hill, Paul and
Jan Crouch and others "rule their fiefdoms as despotic potentates"
some adherents might think isn't God's way of doing things. They
travel with burly bodyguards in kingly luxury on private jets; have
amassed huge personal fortunes, much of it gotten from listener
subjects; and show up everywhere in limousines with all the pomposity
of heads of state and billionaire CEOs but in their case playing God
as false prophets "clutching the cross and the Bible (offering
seductively), like Mephistopheles, to lead us to a mythical paradise
and impossible, unachievable happiness and security" provided we
surrender our will to theirs and our money too, which is one way they
get rich.

They preach a false gospel of prosperity and well-being preying on the
gullible to believe faith alone cures illness, overcomes emotional
distress, and assures financial and physical security so there's no
need for traditional secular institutions, social service
organizations and government regulatory agencies to exist. The
movement preaches those not trusting them lack faith, that God alone
is enough, and that fate is determined by a personal relationship with
Jesus Christ in a world in which individuals surrender their will to a
higher authority dictated by the leadership. Hedges sums it up saying
tyranny follows when "fealty to an ideology becomes a litmus test for
individual worth" and a world of "miracles and magic" is the only
"place to turn for help" ruled by Christian Right extremists
"grow(ing) rich off (the vulnerable) who suffer" becoming passive in
the process.

-- Hatred of gays, the "gay agenda," and everyone in the LBGT movement
with Christian Right adherents believing "same-sex attraction" can be
cured like a virus their ideological medicine can fix. They define the
problem as "male gender deficit" for which "reparative therapy" is the
antidote gotten from a close connection with a strong heterosexual man
"comfortable in his male role." With nonsensical ideological fervor,
they believe bonding with a straight man makes homosexuality disappear
while at the same time denouncing gays as depraved perverts and
criminals threatening all Christians.

-- Disdain for non-believers and rational intellectual inquiry.

-- Condemnation of self-criticism and debate as apostasy.

-- Frequent use of the death penalty including for abortionists, gays,
Muslim "terrorists" and other "heretics."

-- Adoration of militarism, war and apocalyptic violence. Adherence to
these notions is so extreme that in the run-up to the Iraq conflict,
many Christian Right leaders and End Times believers preached opposing
war was anti-American and contrary to God's plan and what's written in
the Bible as they interpret it. Their many supporters in Congress
include Minority Leader John Boehner, who supports endless wars. He
recently said "The spread of radical Islamic terrorism is a threat to
our nation (and) the free world....They are (everywhere and) growing
right here in America....dedicated to killing Americans (and) our
allies, and ending freedom and wanting to impose some radical Islamic
law on the entire world." With leaders like Boehner in Congress and
the administration, it's easy to see the influence of radical
Christian fundamentalist poison infecting the body politic and
threatening everyone with it.

-- Illegalization of abortion even in the case of rape and incest.

-- Ending public education with Bush administration help budgeting
billions of dollars for extremist Christian faith-based organizations.
They renounce proved science like evolution allowing only creationism
repackaged as "intelligent design" to be taught as well as other
extremist Christian values sold through the "big lie" to trick those
in the movement to believe mysticism and magic are facts. Hedges calls
the process a "war on truth" where the culture war front lines are in
classrooms, and the battle is one traditional educators are losing.
Core values of a free and open society are being destroyed and
replaced through a process of thought control based on pseudoscience
assaulting the real thing on everything challenging extremist
Christian ideology from creation to HIV/AIDS to pregnancy prevention
to global warming to war and peace.

It's also happening inside government alarming the nonprofit Union of
Concerned Scientists (UCS) advocacy organization to write in its
March, 2004 Scientific Integrity in Policymaking report: "There is
significant evidence that the scope and scale of the (scientifically
unethical) manipulation, suppression, misrepresentation of science by
the (Christian Right dominated) Bush administration are
unprecendented."

-- A primary Christian mission to proselytize non-believers to the
faith by recruiting "soldiers in the army of Jesus Christ" quoting Dr.
D. James Kennedy of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Coral
Ridge, Florida near Fort Lauderdale, just north of Miami. His voice is
dominant in the Christian Right and carried over the huge multimedia
empire he built with his weekly broadcasts heard and seen on more than
600 TV stations, four cable networks and the Armed Forces Network
reaching millions of people.

He also has a six day a week radio show on 744 stations reaching
millions more preaching his radical ideology that "the Christian view
of morality (according to the Christian Right) is the (only) one that
should prevail in America" while denouncing liberal churches and other
religions as godless. He holds workshops teaching how to sell his
brand of religiosity using the same kinds of brainwashing/marketing
techniques political and other extremist movements know work. They
promise believers eternal life while those not saved are damned to
eternal punishment.

-- Rejection of secular humanist notions of reason, ethics, social
equity and justice believing a better world is possible through good
will in a free and open society. Also claims secular humanist
organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union, NAACP, National
Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood and others want to destroy
a Christian America. They further include the major TV networks (for
airing sex and violence); major newspapers and magazines; US State
Department; foundations like Rockefeller, Ford and Carnegie; the UN;
the Democrat party left/liberals; Harvard, Yale and 2000 other
universities; and all others not buying their gospel of extremist
white Christian dominionism and hate.

-- Seizing on the common denominator of pain, disillusion,
dislocation, suffering and despair felt by millions caused by a
culture of "soulless landscapes filled with strip malls and highways"
to build a mass movement of servile, unthinking followers. They've
replaced the real world of science, law and rationality with
unquestioning belief in the word of the leadership and a glorious
other utopian unreal world of prophets, mystical signs and magical
mumbo jumbo that's real to them and in which they're "protected,
loved, guided and blessed." It promises what followers don't have - a
stable home and family, loving community, fixed moral standards,
financial and personal success, and abolition of doubt and uncertainty
based on religious vision and moral clarity. It also frighteningly
promises a final apocalyptic battle of their "good" against all else
they call "evil" exterminating the forces believers blame on their
despair after which they will emerge victorious and saved.

-- A Christian totalitarian ethic based on a gospel of "free -market"
capitalism, militarism and intolerance of democratic freedom of
thought and action.

-- A fanatical devotion to and support for the state of Israel as
Jerusalem, and specifically the Temple Mount Muslims call the Noble
Sanctuary, is where Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians believe the
second coming of the Messiah will be and thus is the holiest site in
the world for Christians and Jews as well who want it for a third and
final Temple. Enter Rev. John Hagee of the 18,000-strong Cornerstone
Church in San Antonio, Texas, global TV ministry, and his Christians
United for Israel (CUFI) radical organization founded in early 2006.
He's perhaps the most extremist, bellicose and influential Christian
Zionist in America today preaching Muslims are Islamic fascists waging
war against Western civilization. His antidote is a gospel of
preemptive war against Islam in self-defense including one against
Iran now if he had his way. The danger is warmongering hate-preachers
like Hagee and others reach large audiences convincing millions of
adherents they're right.

The Dark Side of Radical Christian Morality

Hedges notes the movement's appeal is from the leadership's promise of
a moral Christian nation promising renewal. But the message hides a
darker side with Dominionists awaiting a fiscal, social and/or
political crisis great enough to end democratic constitutional
government replacing it with their vision of a Christian fascist
theocratic America. In the meantime, they spent a generation working
for this and now have great influence at state, local and federal
levels of government.

Hedges notes the movement already controls the Republican party. In
addition, Christian fundamentalists hold a majority of seats in 18 of
50 states plus large minorities in the others. Also, (as of the book's
publication) 45 senators and 186 House members got 80 - 100% approval
ratings from the three most influential Christian Right advocacy
groups: The Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum and Family Resource
Council. This represents a dominant mass movement succeeding because
mainstream Christians and the major media aren't confronting it, and
their passivity threatens the constitutional rights of a democratic
state on life support sinking fast with help from the Christian Right
on the ascendancy.

They're influence is spread by Christian broadcasters commanding large
audiences estimated to be 141 million in the US through radio and TV.
They preach the Christian Right gospel flaunting their wealth, power
and celebrity status to show it works for believers of the faith. They
believe in unrestrained free-market capitalism, divinely sanctioned to
freely create a global marketplace of (non-Christian, non-believing)
serfs, denied all rights, forbidden to organize, and left to the mercy
of a repressive state and corporate predators out for profit and to be
allowed to dictate wages and control the right to work.

Compassion for the less fortunate is left to individual acts of
charity and the churches with government out of it entirely and only
dedicated to social control and aggressive militarism dictated by a
warrior God (meaning Jesus) giving Christian America the right to rule
the world and assure corporate giants can suck all the profit and life
out of it. Hedges explains the Christian Right sells an ideology
believing it's a "Christian duty to embrace the exploitation of
others, to build a Christian America where freedom means the freedom
of the powerful to dominate the weak....to bring about (their notion
of ) a Christian utopia (that when no legal or social protections
remain) it will be too late to resist (and the movement's leadership
will be in control of everything)." Their plan is to "convince the
masses to agitate for their own incarceration" shocking as that notion
sounds, but it's working.

The movement is on a "crusade" against constitutional government
working for now within the political system it wants to destroy and
remake in its own image. Awaiting the time they'll take over, they're
creating a parallel system within the existing one in which only
"Bible-believing" judges, Christian teachers, and pseudo-reporters on
Christian broadcasts are tolerated. And only white Christian men
championing their extremist doctrine will be allowed to rule. Students
are taught this ideology in Christian schools Hedges says are the
fastest growing segment of the private school system. Textbooks used
call Islam, Buddhism and African religions "false," Hinduism "pagan,"
and even Catholicism "distorted."

It's also heard on the campaign trail from candidates like "stalwart
on the Christian Right" 2006 Ohio gubernatorial losing candidate
Kenneth Blackwell who as secretary of state and co-chair of Ohio's
Committee to Reelect George Bush in 2004 "arranged" for enough votes
in the state to go to the sitting president to swing Ohio and the
election for him. In his own losing effort in 2006, he appeared at
Christian Right rallies laying out a blueprint for an authoritarian
state where all dissent is heresy yet campaigned carefully not to
offend those outside the movement by avoiding religious terminology.

Christian Right Fascism in Real Time in "Bush's Shadow Army" -
Blackwater USA

Journalist and author Jeremy Scahill characterizes Blackwater USA as
"the world's most powerful mercenary army" in his new book about them.
Like Hedges' book, it's frightening reading needing exposure. It
describes a "shadowy mercenary company....largely off the
congressional radar....having remarkable power and protection within
the US war apparatus" with no accountability or oversight on the
ground in Iraq, (working for the State Department, not the Pentagon,
with a $300 million no-bid contract), Afghanistan, on US streets and
in neighborhoods like New Orleans, and coming soon to a city and
neighborhood near you courtesy of the Gestapo-like Department of
Homeland Security. With backing from the Bush administration, it
operates outside the law and Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
and is immune from civil lawsuits like the military. Scahill calls
Blackwater the "Bush Administration's Praetorian Guard (along with the
CIA long-serving in that capacity and that uses Bl ackwater in its
illegal covert operations abroad and at home)."

Blackwater was founded in 1996 by former Navy SEAL and now super-rich
Erik Prince who's closely tied to the Christian Right he funds and
supports. It came into its own post 9/11 becoming a dominant player in
the Bush administration's "Global War on Terror" (GLOB) now rebranded
"The Long War." Today, Blackwater employs 2300 personnel in nine
countries with 20,000 or more private mercenary contractors ready to
go wherever needed and are part of the 100,000 contractors in Iraq,
48,000 of whom are paramilitary mercenaries. It also has a fleet of 20
aircraft (believed to have been used covertly as part of the Bush
administration's "extraordinary renditions" of targeted individuals),
including helicopter gunships, a private intelligence division, and
operates at home on its 7000 acre Moyock headquarters Scahill calls
"the world's largest private military base."

It's not enough for Blackwater in the burgeoning world of privatized
secret mercenary paramilitary armies coming soon to a neighborhood
near you, so the company is preparing by seeking an environmentally
sensitive protected agricultural preserve southeast of San Diego, CA
for it current expansion plans. It's an 824 acre site in Potrero, CA
surrounded by the Cleveland Forest Blackwater wants for a military
training base with 15 firing ranges for automatic and non-automatic
weapons and various types of commando-type training facilities
residents don't want near their community for obvious reasons
concerning safety. People everywhere should object, for what may
endanger one isolated community now or a larger one in New Orleans
already may threaten us all in a paramilitarized America we're heading
for locked down by Blackwater-type storm troops enforcing Christian
Right fascist dogma.

In the meantime, Blackwater is cashing in big as a war profiteer
getting huge no-bid Bush administration contracts Congress belatedly
is showing interest in wanting to oversee to eliminate abuses. Whether
it will happen, however, is problematical as current laws on the books
aren't enforced making it likely new ones won't be either on all
matters relating to foreign wars, so-called "terrorism," or anything
claimed for national security. As long as the nation is in wars both
parties support and the Christian Right is dominant, companies like
Blackwater will thrive. With them, wars are easier to get into and
harder to end meaning the culture of militarism will grow abroad and
at home that's part of the Christian Right's agenda to impose its
extremist theocratic rule on the country where, if it happens,
democratic freedom, as we know it, is incompatible. Under it,
Blackwater's private army will be on our city streets as thuggish
paramilitary enforcers licensed to terrorize a nd kill with impunity
bringing to America what they're well paid to do abroad.

"Eternal" Fascist Chickens Coming Home to Roost

A generation ago, the notion of a "global Christian empire" was barely
credible, but Hedges' ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, 80-
year old Dr. James Luther Adams, warned back then we'd all one day be
fighting "Christian fascists." It was when Pat Robertson and other
radical televangelists began preaching a new political religion aimed
at creating a dominant Christian world according to their extremist
views. Adams was in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and saw with horror what
happened there firsthand. Hedges says he "was not a man to use the
word 'fascist' lightly." He understood before most others the
similarities of that time in Germany to what was developing here
around 1980. He saw "how the mask of religion hides irreligion (and)
our world is full to bursting with (various) faiths, each contending
for allegiance." It was a virtual "battle of faiths, a battle of the
gods who claim human allegiance."

Adams knew deep-seated resentments and bigotry exist in all democratic
societies like Weimar Germany and saw it emerging in 1980s America
promoting the destruction of democracy. He feared late in his life a
movement here was on the march, more cleverly packaged and
sophisticated than in the past and this time with no serious
opposition. He saw hatreds being stoked, progressive forces weakening,
and the despair of tens of millions of Americans losing good
manufacturing and other well-paying jobs being easy prey for smooth-
talking fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell promising
miracles and visions of apocalyptic glory.

Adams said then to watch the Christian Right's treatment of gays
knowing the Nazis used their "values" to repress opponents and just
days after coming to power in 1933 Hitler banned all gay and lesbian
organizations as his first target with many others to follow. Pastor
Martin Niemoller warned us in different versions of his famous
quotation listing Jews, communists and trade unionists targeted but
omitting the one Hitler chose first. He didn't speak out because he
wasn't one of them, and when they came for him there was no one left.
It was too late.

Adams explained gays in a Christian Right dominated American would be
the first "social deviants" singled out for condemnation,
disempowerment and elimination as in Nazi Germany. Other targeted
groups would follow, and we would be next. He then warned as does
Hedges that forces against American democracy are "waiting for a
moment to strike, a national crisis that will allow them to shred the
Constitution in the name of national security." The Christian Right
awaits that time "with gleeful anticipation" wanting adherents to be
ready.

Hedges warns we also must be ready quoting Alvin Toffler saying "if
you don't have a strategy you end up being part of someone else's
strategy." It means challenging the Christian Right's gospel of hate,
"exclusion, cruelty and intolerance in the name of God" with a
doctrine of life, hope and respect for the worth and dignity of
everyone, and their right to practice their beliefs openly in a free
society. That's the American dream shared by free people everywhere.
At the book's end, Hedges says preserving it means giving up
"passivity, challeng(ing) aggressively this movement's deluded
appropriation of Christianity (and fighting back) to defend
tolerance." Wishing won't make it so. Defending democracy means
working at it every day. Today we face an imminent threat to our
freedom against which "tolerance coupled with passivity is a (deadly)
vice" that will destroy us unless we're on guard to be sure it doesn't.



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 April 23, 2007

Chris Hedges is a journalist who for two decades was a foreign
correspondent for the New York Times spending much of his time
reporting from conflict zones in El Salvador, the Middle East and from
Serbia covering the Balkan wars of the 1990s that divided and
destroyed a country under the guise of humanitarian intervention
providing cover for naked imperialism. There it allowed NATO (meaning
the US) to expand into Central and Eastern Europe to keep predatory
capitalism on the march for markets, resources and cheap labor
everywhere using wars to get them and eliminate "uncooperative" heads
of state like Slobodan Milosevic who was kidnapped, Mafia/Mossad-
style, by the ICTY kangaroo court in the Hague, hung out to dry when
he got there, and in the end effectively or, in fact, murdered to shut
him up and prevent ugly truths coming out about what the conflict was
really about and who the real criminals were.

The wars and subsequent show-trials had nothing to do with myths about
it fed us by Western media. Those wanting the truth can find it in
excellent books like Diana Johnstone's Fools' Crusade; the extensive
research and writings of Edward Herman, Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti,
law professor Michael Mandel; and the newest book out on the subject
titled Travesty: The Trial of Slobodan Milosevic and the Corruption of
International Justice by British journalist John Laughland. Edward
Herman wrote a superb review of the book in the April, 2007 issue of Z
Magazine now available in which he pointedly says "the rules of the
(illegally constituted) ICTY (established by the US and UK) stood
Nuremberg on its head" and Laughland states "instead of applying
existing international law, the ICTY has effectively overturned it" to
hide NATO's crimes and allow more of the same playing out now in Iraq,
Afghanistan and Palestine.

The Christian Right supports these type crimes and motives for them
readers will understand from Hedges' new book. He's also written many
articles and is the author of four books including his bestselling War
Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning drawing on his experiences in the
conflicts he covered describing how people and nations behave in
wartime. The book was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle
Award for nonfiction. His newest book is American Fascists - The
Christian Right and the War on America published in 2007 and subject
of this review. It's an incisive examination of the huge threat
extremist Christian fascists pose to a shaky free society most people
in the US take for granted but no longer will after reading this
important book.

Hedges was educated at Colgate University and received a Master of
Divinity from Harvard Divinity School. For a time he was a seminarian
and is now a senior fellow at the Nation Institute as well as a writer
and lecturer at Princeton University where he teaches in the Program
for American Studies. He was also an early vocal critic of the Bush
administration's plan to attack, invade and occupy Iraq characterizing
war as "the most potent narcotic invented by humankind" while
professing not to be a pacifist.

This review will cover the essence and flavor of American Fascists
beginning with some background on the Christian right, its influence,
and danger it poses that Hedges covers in detail. He said he wrote the
book out of anger and fear of the fundamentalist Christian Right
seeking to establish theocratic dominion over society in America in
the name of God and is using the Republican party as their vehicle to
do it. He compares the movement's messianic mission to Italian and
German fascism of the last century cloaking itself in Christianity and
patriotism as their way to gain political power under theocracy's
literal meaning from the Greek words "Theos" meaning "God" and
"cratein/crasy" meaning to rule.

They're not kidding and neither is the risk they'll gain control of
government with some observers in Washington believing they already
have it including journalist/commentator Bill Moyers saying "for the
first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of
power in Washington." Some call them "The Christian Mafia" noting
they're well-funded by and allied with wealthy, powerful hard right
businessmen like beer magnate Joseph Coors and Amway founder Richard
DeVos, Sr. Hedges calls them American Fascists, and his powerful book
leaves no doubt how great a threat they are to our cherished liberties
in a free society now in great jeopardy. Below is an explanation of
the Christian Right and fundamentalist movement overall before getting
into the book.

The Christian Right and Its Fundamentalist Movement

The Christian or Religious Right is broadly defined to include
adherents of the radical or hard right embracing their kind of
extremist political, economic, social and religious ideology falsely
called conservative which is a relative term referring philosophically
to favoring traditional values including libertarian ones centered on
the right of everyone to be master of his or her own fate.

Earlier, sociologist scholar Sara Diamond wrote extensively on the
rise of right wing groups in the country providing readers with a
wealth of information based on her firsthand research. In her seminal
1995 book, Roads to Dominion, she traced the various movements over
the past 50 years identifying four types she discovered:

1. The anti-communist conservative movement that in the 1970s included
moral traditionalism of the emerging Christian Right.

2. The racist Right including the KKK and other segregationist groups
and later the paramilitary white supremacist movement.

3. The Christian Right with its evangelical roots, and

4. Neoconservatives with roots in the Cold War and Democrat party
later finding a new home in the Republican party under Ronald Reagan.

Diamond explained these movements involved scores of organizations,
not monolithic in beliefs, who nonetheless share a common set of
policy preferences that unite them listing three core areas - the
economy, the "nation-state in global context (military and
diplomatic)," and moral norms relating to race and gender. The
movements are also unified in their advocacy of free-market
capitalism, anticommunism (now anything left of center), US worldwide
military hegemony, traditional morality, superiority of native-born
white male Christian Americans, and the traditional nuclear family. In
addition, Diamond lists what she calls the "three pillars of the US
Right" calling them "tendencies, not absolutes" - libertarianism,
anticommunist militarism (now all liberal/progressive/leftist non-
extremist Christian ideology), and traditionalism.

In her book, Diamond included a detailed history of the Christian
Right explaining how it came to be the largest, most influential
movement on the far right dominating policy-making in Republican-led
governments and especially the one not yet in power under George W.
Bush. She explained it all in over 300 fact-crammed pages and another
100 pages of notes and references. It's important background
information summarized here briefly to set the stage for Hedges
important account of what the Christian Right is up to today, why it
matters, and why this dominant movement threatens freedom and
democracy in America and the values most here hold dear, including
most of the 70 million evangelicals, a minority of whom are radical
ideologues selling their dogma of hate and domination to convert the
others and destroy non-believers.

Our Secular State Founding Principles

Christians founded America believing church and state should be
separated, and Jefferson called for "a wall of separation" between
them in 1802 after freedom of religion became part of the First
Amendment to the Constitution. Today that bedrock founding principle
is jeopardized by the extremist Christian Right. If they get their
way, they'll tear down that wall with considerable public support from
the 40% in the country polls say take the Bible literally, and nearly
one-third believe in the "rapture" as Hedges explains in his book. The
notion comes from conservative Protestant eschatology denoting the
final happening when "good Christians" on earth are saved and
"raptured" to heaven to be with Jesus in eternal immortality while non-
believers are doomed to a more hellish, less "rapturous" fate Hedges
characterizes as suffering "unspeakable torments below."

These believers and all others are entitled to their views, but the
Constitution forbids them forcing them on others. Earlier Supreme
Courts agreed in decisions requiring a "wall of separation" between
church and state prohibiting the adoption of any state religion and
requiring government to avoid undue involvement in religion, its
trappings or expressions.

That status was put in jeopardy following the introduction in Congress
of the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004." It was then
reintroduced in near-identical form in 2005, never passed, and now
awaits its fate in the Democrat-led 110th Congress or a future one
that may or may not let it die. If it's ever adopted in its present
form, it will turn the country into a de facto theocracy despite its
supporters' denial. Don't believe them as getting this passed is key
to the Christian Right's mission to turn America into a fascist
theocracy where constitutional law is abolished in favor of extremist
Christian dogma Dominionists like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James
Dobson and others in the movement want to be the supreme law of the
land.

In their world, under their law, practitioners of other faiths will be
lawbreakers including about 75 million non-Christians and many others
of the faith not willing to go along with their interpretation of it.
The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2005" will also deny the Supreme
Court's right to challenge anyone in or affiliated with federal, state
or local government acknowledging the Christian "God (in their canon)
as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." Henceforth,
any judge at any level interpreting the new law differently would be
subject to impeachment and prosecution in the United (extremist
Christian) States of (fascist) America ruled by people like Pat
Robertson and others like him.

American Fascists Masquerading as True Christians - Defiling the
Teachings of Christ, His Twelve Apostles and Others of the Faith

Hedges begins his book with a powerful quote from Blaise Pascal that
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
>from religious conviction." Until the modern era, the best examples in
Christendom were the first Crusades when Popes like Urban II
sanctioned holy wars between 1095 - 1291 to wrest Jerusalem and the
"Holy Land" from "heretic" Muslims and later ones in the 16th century
against infidels - in the name of God.

Today in America, Dominionists are the new "crusaders" Hedges equates
with 20th century fascists because of their fanaticism. They cloak
their ideology in Christianity and patriotism as their way to gain
political power they claim is sanctioned by the Almighty to give the
movement moral legitimacy. But beneath the surface, their doctrine is
dark and foreboding posing real dangers to a free society not to be
taken lightly. It comes from their view of Genesis 1:26-31 they
interpret to mean God gave man "dominion....over all the Earth," and
that Jesus commanded his followers to impose godly rule over everyone
denouncing people of other faiths and non-believers. The modern
blueprint for this ideology comes from the writings of RJ Rushdoony's
1973 book, The Institutes of Biblical Law, calling for a Christian
government. It advocates torture and death for gays, non-Christians
resisting conversion, anyone committing blasphemy, and women guilty of
"unchastity before marriage."

Ideology of Radical Christian Right Fascists

Christian Right extremists advocate a frightening ideology detailed
below. It includes:

-- Racial hatred.

-- White Christian supremacy.

-- Blind adoration and obedience of the movement's leadership while
discouraging free and independent thought.

-- Male gender dominance portraying Jesus as a real man dominating
through force like a powerful warrior ignoring fundamental Christian
"thou shall not kill" doctrine. It's an ideology of hyermasculinity
centered in a male-dominated authoritarian church and in the home
where men are encouraged to dominate their wives, and women and
children are taught to submit.

Well-known Christian Right leader James Dobson built his career on
these ideas and now has a huge media empire dispensing advice as a
Christian therapist over his Focus on the Family program. He's heard
on more than 3000 radio stations and 80 TV stations reaching 200
million people in 116 countries from his 81 acre campus in Colorado
Springs, Colorado employing 1300 people. He's fiercely anti-choice and
anti-gay and has backed political candidates advocating abortionists
be executed. He also calls stem cell research "state-funded
cannibalism" and urges Christian parents take their children out of
public schools and put them in Christian ones teaching his ideology.

Dobson preaches male dominance calling non-submission a violation of
God's law. He also thinks murder is wrong but not when committed
against infidel Iraqis or Islamic terrorists saying all non-believers,
heretics and sinners will be consumed in an End Times Tribulation of
terrible calamities and torment lasting seven years with non-redeemers
condemned to eternal punishment. True believers adhering to holy
scriptures, however, will be saved and "raptured" to eternal life and
bliss in heaven. But getting there means going along with what he, End
Times guru Timothy LaHaye, and other dominant Christian Right figures
like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell preach including that they have a
divine right to rule and must be obeyed.

Hedges notes that televangelists like Robertson, Benny Hill, Paul and
Jan Crouch and others "rule their fiefdoms as despotic potentates"
some adherents might think isn't God's way of doing things. They
travel with burly bodyguards in kingly luxury on private jets; have
amassed huge personal fortunes, much of it gotten from listener
subjects; and show up everywhere in limousines with all the pomposity
of heads of state and billionaire CEOs but in their case playing God
as false prophets "clutching the cross and the Bible (offering
seductively), like Mephistopheles, to lead us to a mythical paradise
and impossible, unachievable happiness and security" provided we
surrender our will to theirs and our money too, which is one way they
get rich.

They preach a false gospel of prosperity and well-being preying on the
gullible to believe faith alone cures illness, overcomes emotional
distress, and assures financial and physical security so there's no
need for traditional secular institutions, social service
organizations and government regulatory agencies to exist. The
movement preaches those not trusting them lack faith, that God alone
is enough, and that fate is determined by a personal relationship with
Jesus Christ in a world in which individuals surrender their will to a
higher authority dictated by the leadership. Hedges sums it up saying
tyranny follows when "fealty to an ideology becomes a litmus test for
individual worth" and a world of "miracles and magic" is the only
"place to turn for help" ruled by Christian Right extremists
"grow(ing) rich off (the vulnerable) who suffer" becoming passive in
the process.

-- Hatred of gays, the "gay agenda," and everyone in the LBGT movement
with Christian Right adherents believing "same-sex attraction" can be
cured like a virus their ideological medicine can fix. They define the
problem as "male gender deficit" for which "reparative therapy" is the
antidote gotten from a close connection with a strong heterosexual man
"comfortable in his male role." With nonsensical ideological fervor,
they believe bonding with a straight man makes homosexuality disappear
while at the same time denouncing gays as depraved perverts and
criminals threatening all Christians.

-- Disdain for non-believers and rational intellectual inquiry.

-- Condemnation of self-criticism and debate as apostasy.

-- Frequent use of the death penalty including for abortionists, gays,
Muslim "terrorists" and other "heretics."

-- Adoration of militarism, war and apocalyptic violence. Adherence to
these notions is so extreme that in the run-up to the Iraq conflict,
many Christian Right leaders and End Times believers preached opposing
war was anti-American and contrary to God's plan and what's written in
the Bible as they interpret it. Their many supporters in Congress
include Minority Leader John Boehner, who supports endless wars. He
recently said "The spread of radical Islamic terrorism is a threat to
our nation (and) the free world....They are (everywhere and) growing
right here in America....dedicated to killing Americans (and) our
allies, and ending freedom and wanting to impose some radical Islamic
law on the entire world." With leaders like Boehner in Congress and
the administration, it's easy to see the influence of radical
Christian fundamentalist poison infecting the body politic and
threatening everyone with it.

-- Illegalization of abortion even in the case of rape and incest.

-- Ending public education with Bush administration help budgeting
billions of dollars for extremist Christian faith-based organizations.
They renounce proved science like evolution allowing only creationism
repackaged as "intelligent design" to be taught as well as other
extremist Christian values sold through the "big lie" to trick those
in the movement to believe mysticism and magic are facts. Hedges calls
the process a "war on truth" where the culture war front lines are in
classrooms, and the battle is one traditional educators are losing.
Core values of a free and open society are being destroyed and
replaced through a process of thought control based on pseudoscience
assaulting the real thing on everything challenging extremist
Christian ideology from creation to HIV/AIDS to pregnancy prevention
to global warming to war and peace.

It's also happening inside government alarming the nonprofit Union of
Concerned Scientists (UCS) advocacy organization to write in its
March, 2004 Scientific Integrity in Policymaking report: "There is
significant evidence that the scope and scale of the (scientifically
unethical) manipulation, suppression, misrepresentation of science by
the (Christian Right dominated) Bush administration are
unprecendented."

-- A primary Christian mission to proselytize non-believers to the
faith by recruiting "soldiers in the army of Jesus Christ" quoting Dr.
D. James Kennedy of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Coral
Ridge, Florida near Fort Lauderdale, just north of Miami. His voice is
dominant in the Christian Right and carried over the huge multimedia
empire he built with his weekly broadcasts heard and seen on more than
600 TV stations, four cable networks and the Armed Forces Network
reaching millions of people.

He also has a six day a week radio show on 744 stations reaching
millions more preaching his radical ideology that "the Christian view
of morality (according to the Christian Right) is the (only) one that
should prevail in America" while denouncing liberal churches and other
religions as godless. He holds workshops teaching how to sell his
brand of religiosity using the same kinds of brainwashing/marketing
techniques political and other extremist movements know work. They
promise believers eternal life while those not saved are damned to
eternal punishment.

-- Rejection of secular humanist notions of reason, ethics, social
equity and justice believing a better world is possible through good
will in a free and open society. Also claims secular humanist
organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union, NAACP, National
Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood and others want to destroy
a Christian America. They further include the major TV networks (for
airing sex and violence); major newspapers and magazines; US State
Department; foundations like Rockefeller, Ford and Carnegie; the UN;
the Democrat party left/liberals; Harvard, Yale and 2000 other
universities; and all others not buying their gospel of extremist
white Christian dominionism and hate.

-- Seizing on the common denominator of pain, disillusion,
dislocation, suffering and despair felt by millions caused by a
culture of "soulless landscapes filled with strip malls and highways"
to build a mass movement of servile, unthinking followers. They've
replaced the real world of science, law and rationality with
unquestioning belief in the word of the leadership and a glorious
other utopian unreal world of prophets, mystical signs and magical
mumbo jumbo that's real to them and in which they're "protected,
loved, guided and blessed." It promises what followers don't have - a
stable home and family, loving community, fixed moral standards,
financial and personal success, and abolition of doubt and uncertainty
based on religious vision and moral clarity. It also frighteningly
promises a final apocalyptic battle of their "good" against all else
they call "evil" exterminating the forces believers blame on their
despair after which they will emerge victorious and saved.

-- A Christian totalitarian ethic based on a gospel of "free -market"
capitalism, militarism and intolerance of democratic freedom of
thought and action.

-- A fanatical devotion to and support for the state of Israel as
Jerusalem, and specifically the Temple Mount Muslims call the Noble
Sanctuary, is where Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians believe the
second coming of the Messiah will be and thus is the holiest site in
the world for Christians and Jews as well who want it for a third and
final Temple. Enter Rev. John Hagee of the 18,000-strong Cornerstone
Church in San Antonio, Texas, global TV ministry, and his Christians
United for Israel (CUFI) radical organization founded in early 2006.
He's perhaps the most extremist, bellicose and influential Christian
Zionist in America today preaching Muslims are Islamic fascists waging
war against Western civilization. His antidote is a gospel of
preemptive war against Islam in self-defense including one against
Iran now if he had his way. The danger is warmongering hate-preachers
like Hagee and others reach large audiences convincing millions of
adherents they're right.

The Dark Side of Radical Christian Morality

Hedges notes the movement's appeal is from the leadership's promise of
a moral Christian nation promising renewal. But the message hides a
darker side with Dominionists awaiting a fiscal, social and/or
political crisis great enough to end democratic constitutional
government replacing it with their vision of a Christian fascist
theocratic America. In the meantime, they spent a generation working
for this and now have great influence at state, local and federal
levels of government.

Hedges notes the movement already controls the Republican party. In
addition, Christian fundamentalists hold a majority of seats in 18 of
50 states plus large minorities in the others. Also, (as of the book's
publication) 45 senators and 186 House members got 80 - 100% approval
ratings from the three most influential Christian Right advocacy
groups: The Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum and Family Resource
Council. This represents a dominant mass movement succeeding because
mainstream Christians and the major media aren't confronting it, and
their passivity threatens the constitutional rights of a democratic
state on life support sinking fast with help from the Christian Right
on the ascendancy.

They're influence is spread by Christian broadcasters commanding large
audiences estimated to be 141 million in the US through radio and TV.
They preach the Christian Right gospel flaunting their wealth, power
and celebrity status to show it works for believers of the faith. They
believe in unrestrained free-market capitalism, divinely sanctioned to
freely create a global marketplace of (non-Christian, non-believing)
serfs, denied all rights, forbidden to organize, and left to the mercy
of a repressive state and corporate predators out for profit and to be
allowed to dictate wages and control the right to work.

Compassion for the less fortunate is left to individual acts of
charity and the churches with government out of it entirely and only
dedicated to social control and aggressive militarism dictated by a
warrior God (meaning Jesus) giving Christian America the right to rule
the world and assure corporate giants can suck all the profit and life
out of it. Hedges explains the Christian Right sells an ideology
believing it's a "Christian duty to embrace the exploitation of
others, to build a Christian America where freedom means the freedom
of the powerful to dominate the weak....to bring about (their notion
of ) a Christian utopia (that when no legal or social protections
remain) it will be too late to resist (and the movement's leadership
will be in control of everything)." Their plan is to "convince the
masses to agitate for their own incarceration" shocking as that notion
sounds, but it's working.

The movement is on a "crusade" against constitutional government
working for now within the political system it wants to destroy and
remake in its own image. Awaiting the time they'll take over, they're
creating a parallel system within the existing one in which only
"Bible-believing" judges, Christian teachers, and pseudo-reporters on
Christian broadcasts are tolerated. And only white Christian men
championing their extremist doctrine will be allowed to rule. Students
are taught this ideology in Christian schools Hedges says are the
fastest growing segment of the private school system. Textbooks used
call Islam, Buddhism and African religions "false," Hinduism "pagan,"
and even Catholicism "distorted."

It's also heard on the campaign trail from candidates like "stalwart
on the Christian Right" 2006 Ohio gubernatorial losing candidate
Kenneth Blackwell who as secretary of state and co-chair of Ohio's
Committee to Reelect George Bush in 2004 "arranged" for enough votes
in the state to go to the sitting president to swing Ohio and the
election for him. In his own losing effort in 2006, he appeared at
Christian Right rallies laying out a blueprint for an authoritarian
state where all dissent is heresy yet campaigned carefully not to
offend those outside the movement by avoiding religious terminology.

Christian Right Fascism in Real Time in "Bush's Shadow Army" -
Blackwater USA

Journalist and author Jeremy Scahill characterizes Blackwater USA as
"the world's most powerful mercenary army" in his new book about them.
Like Hedges' book, it's frightening reading needing exposure. It
describes a "shadowy mercenary company....largely off the
congressional radar....having remarkable power and protection within
the US war apparatus" with no accountability or oversight on the
ground in Iraq, (working for the State Department, not the Pentagon,
with a $300 million no-bid contract), Afghanistan, on US streets and
in neighborhoods like New Orleans, and coming soon to a city and
neighborhood near you courtesy of the Gestapo-like Department of
Homeland Security. With backing from the Bush administration, it
operates outside the law and Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
and is immune from civil lawsuits like the military. Scahill calls
Blackwater the "Bush Administration's Praetorian Guard (along with the
CIA long-serving in that capacity and that uses Bl ackwater in its
illegal covert operations abroad and at home)."

Blackwater was founded in 1996 by former Navy SEAL and now super-rich
Erik Prince who's closely tied to the Christian Right he funds and
supports. It came into its own post 9/11 becoming a dominant player in
the Bush administration's "Global War on Terror" (GLOB) now rebranded
"The Long War." Today, Blackwater employs 2300 personnel in nine
countries with 20,000 or more private mercenary contractors ready to
go wherever needed and are part of the 100,000 contractors in Iraq,
48,000 of whom are paramilitary mercenaries. It also has a fleet of 20
aircraft (believed to have been used covertly as part of the Bush
administration's "extraordinary renditions" of targeted individuals),
including helicopter gunships, a private intelligence division, and
operates at home on its 7000 acre Moyock headquarters Scahill calls
"the world's largest private military base."

It's not enough for Blackwater in the burgeoning world of privatized
secret mercenary paramilitary armies coming soon to a neighborhood
near you, so the company is preparing by seeking an environmentally
sensitive protected agricultural preserve southeast of San Diego, CA
for it current expansion plans. It's an 824 acre site in Potrero, CA
surrounded by the Cleveland Forest Blackwater wants for a military
training base with 15 firing ranges for automatic and non-automatic
weapons and various types of commando-type training facilities
residents don't want near their community for obvious reasons
concerning safety. People everywhere should object, for what may
endanger one isolated community now or a larger one in New Orleans
already may threaten us all in a paramilitarized America we're heading
for locked down by Blackwater-type storm troops enforcing Christian
Right fascist dogma.

In the meantime, Blackwater is cashing in big as a war profiteer
getting huge no-bid Bush administration contracts Congress belatedly
is showing interest in wanting to oversee to eliminate abuses. Whether
it will happen, however, is problematical as current laws on the books
aren't enforced making it likely new ones won't be either on all
matters relating to foreign wars, so-called "terrorism," or anything
claimed for national security. As long as the nation is in wars both
parties support and the Christian Right is dominant, companies like
Blackwater will thrive. With them, wars are easier to get into and
harder to end meaning the culture of militarism will grow abroad and
at home that's part of the Christian Right's agenda to impose its
extremist theocratic rule on the country where, if it happens,
democratic freedom, as we know it, is incompatible. Under it,
Blackwater's private army will be on our city streets as thuggish
paramilitary enforcers licensed to terrorize a nd kill with impunity
bringing to America what they're well paid to do abroad.

"Eternal" Fascist Chickens Coming Home to Roost

A generation ago, the notion of a "global Christian empire" was barely
credible, but Hedges' ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, 80-
year old Dr. James Luther Adams, warned back then we'd all one day be
fighting "Christian fascists." It was when Pat Robertson and other
radical televangelists began preaching a new political religion aimed
at creating a dominant Christian world according to their extremist
views. Adams was in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and saw with horror what
happened there firsthand. Hedges says he "was not a man to use the
word 'fascist' lightly." He understood before most others the
similarities of that time in Germany to what was developing here
around 1980. He saw "how the mask of religion hides irreligion (and)
our world is full to bursting with (various) faiths, each contending
for allegiance." It was a virtual "battle of faiths, a battle of the
gods who claim human allegiance."

Adams knew deep-seated resentments and bigotry exist in all democratic
societies like Weimar Germany and saw it emerging in 1980s America
promoting the destruction of democracy. He feared late in his life a
movement here was on the march, more cleverly packaged and
sophisticated than in the past and this time with no serious
opposition. He saw hatreds being stoked, progressive forces weakening,
and the despair of tens of millions of Americans losing good
manufacturing and other well-paying jobs being easy prey for smooth-
talking fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell promising
miracles and visions of apocalyptic glory.

Adams said then to watch the Christian Right's treatment of gays
knowing the Nazis used their "values" to repress opponents and just
days after coming to power in 1933 Hitler banned all gay and lesbian
organizations as his first target with many others to follow. Pastor
Martin Niemoller warned us in different versions of his famous
quotation listing Jews, communists and trade unionists targeted but
omitting the one Hitler chose first. He didn't speak out because he
wasn't one of them, and when they came for him there was no one left.
It was too late.

Adams explained gays in a Christian Right dominated American would be
the first "social deviants" singled out for condemnation,
disempowerment and elimination as in Nazi Germany. Other targeted
groups would follow, and we would be next. He then warned as does
Hedges that forces against American democracy are "waiting for a
moment to strike, a national crisis that will allow them to shred the
Constitution in the name of national security." The Christian Right
awaits that time "with gleeful anticipation" wanting adherents to be
ready.

Hedges warns we also must be ready quoting Alvin Toffler saying "if
you don't have a strategy you end up being part of someone else's
strategy." It means challenging the Christian Right's gospel of hate,
"exclusion, cruelty and intolerance in the name of God" with a
doctrine of life, hope and respect for the worth and dignity of
everyone, and their right to practice their beliefs openly in a free
society. That's the American dream shared by free people everywhere.
At the book's end, Hedges says preserving it means giving up
"passivity, challeng(ing) aggressively this movement's deluded
appropriation of Christianity (and fighting back) to defend
tolerance." Wishing won't make it so. Defending democracy means
working at it every day. Today we face an imminent threat to our
freedom against which "tolerance coupled with passivity is a (deadly)
vice" that will destroy us unless we're on guard to be sure it doesn't.



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 IF CHRISTIANS ARE MURDERING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS THEIR
DEMISE IS INEVITABLE!
April 23, 2007

Chris Hedges is a journalist who for two decades was a foreign
correspondent for the New York Times spending much of his time
reporting from conflict zones in El Salvador, the Middle East and from
Serbia covering the Balkan wars of the 1990s that divided and
destroyed a country under the guise of humanitarian intervention
providing cover for naked imperialism. There it allowed NATO (meaning
the US) to expand into Central and Eastern Europe to keep predatory
capitalism on the march for markets, resources and cheap labor
everywhere using wars to get them and eliminate "uncooperative" heads
of state like Slobodan Milosevic who was kidnapped, Mafia/Mossad-
style, by the ICTY kangaroo court in the Hague, hung out to dry when
he got there, and in the end effectively or, in fact, murdered to shut
him up and prevent ugly truths coming out about what the conflict was
really about and who the real criminals were.

The wars and subsequent show-trials had nothing to do with myths about
it fed us by Western media. Those wanting the truth can find it in
excellent books like Diana Johnstone's Fools' Crusade; the extensive
research and writings of Edward Herman, Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti,
law professor Michael Mandel; and the newest book out on the subject
titled Travesty: The Trial of Slobodan Milosevic and the Corruption of
International Justice by British journalist John Laughland. Edward
Herman wrote a superb review of the book in the April, 2007 issue of Z
Magazine now available in which he pointedly says "the rules of the
(illegally constituted) ICTY (established by the US and UK) stood
Nuremberg on its head" and Laughland states "instead of applying
existing international law, the ICTY has effectively overturned it" to
hide NATO's crimes and allow more of the same playing out now in Iraq,
Afghanistan and Palestine.

The Christian Right supports these type crimes and motives for them
readers will understand from Hedges' new book. He's also written many
articles and is the author of four books including his bestselling War
Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning drawing on his experiences in the
conflicts he covered describing how people and nations behave in
wartime. The book was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle
Award for nonfiction. His newest book is American Fascists - The
Christian Right and the War on America published in 2007 and subject
of this review. It's an incisive examination of the huge threat
extremist Christian fascists pose to a shaky free society most people
in the US take for granted but no longer will after reading this
important book.

Hedges was educated at Colgate University and received a Master of
Divinity from Harvard Divinity School. For a time he was a seminarian
and is now a senior fellow at the Nation Institute as well as a writer
and lecturer at Princeton University where he teaches in the Program
for American Studies. He was also an early vocal critic of the Bush
administration's plan to attack, invade and occupy Iraq characterizing
war as "the most potent narcotic invented by humankind" while
professing not to be a pacifist.

This review will cover the essence and flavor of American Fascists
beginning with some background on the Christian right, its influence,
and danger it poses that Hedges covers in detail. He said he wrote the
book out of anger and fear of the fundamentalist Christian Right
seeking to establish theocratic dominion over society in America in
the name of God and is using the Republican party as their vehicle to
do it. He compares the movement's messianic mission to Italian and
German fascism of the last century cloaking itself in Christianity and
patriotism as their way to gain political power under theocracy's
literal meaning from the Greek words "Theos" meaning "God" and
"cratein/crasy" meaning to rule.

They're not kidding and neither is the risk they'll gain control of
government with some observers in Washington believing they already
have it including journalist/commentator Bill Moyers saying "for the
first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of
power in Washington." Some call them "The Christian Mafia" noting
they're well-funded by and allied with wealthy, powerful hard right
businessmen like beer magnate Joseph Coors and Amway founder Richard
DeVos, Sr. Hedges calls them American Fascists, and his powerful book
leaves no doubt how great a threat they are to our cherished liberties
in a free society now in great jeopardy. Below is an explanation of
the Christian Right and fundamentalist movement overall before getting
into the book.

The Christian Right and Its Fundamentalist Movement

The Christian or Religious Right is broadly defined to include
adherents of the radical or hard right embracing their kind of
extremist political, economic, social and religious ideology falsely
called conservative which is a relative term referring philosophically
to favoring traditional values including libertarian ones centered on
the right of everyone to be master of his or her own fate.

Earlier, sociologist scholar Sara Diamond wrote extensively on the
rise of right wing groups in the country providing readers with a
wealth of information based on her firsthand research. In her seminal
1995 book, Roads to Dominion, she traced the various movements over
the past 50 years identifying four types she discovered:

1. The anti-communist conservative movement that in the 1970s included
moral traditionalism of the emerging Christian Right.

2. The racist Right including the KKK and other segregationist groups
and later the paramilitary white supremacist movement.

3. The Christian Right with its evangelical roots, and

4. Neoconservatives with roots in the Cold War and Democrat party
later finding a new home in the Republican party under Ronald Reagan.

Diamond explained these movements involved scores of organizations,
not monolithic in beliefs, who nonetheless share a common set of
policy preferences that unite them listing three core areas - the
economy, the "nation-state in global context (military and
diplomatic)," and moral norms relating to race and gender. The
movements are also unified in their advocacy of free-market
capitalism, anticommunism (now anything left of center), US worldwide
military hegemony, traditional morality, superiority of native-born
white male Christian Americans, and the traditional nuclear family. In
addition, Diamond lists what she calls the "three pillars of the US
Right" calling them "tendencies, not absolutes" - libertarianism,
anticommunist militarism (now all liberal/progressive/leftist non-
extremist Christian ideology), and traditionalism.

In her book, Diamond included a detailed history of the Christian
Right explaining how it came to be the largest, most influential
movement on the far right dominating policy-making in Republican-led
governments and especially the one not yet in power under George W.
Bush. She explained it all in over 300 fact-crammed pages and another
100 pages of notes and references. It's important background
information summarized here briefly to set the stage for Hedges
important account of what the Christian Right is up to today, why it
matters, and why this dominant movement threatens freedom and
democracy in America and the values most here hold dear, including
most of the 70 million evangelicals, a minority of whom are radical
ideologues selling their dogma of hate and domination to convert the
others and destroy non-believers.

Our Secular State Founding Principles

Christians founded America believing church and state should be
separated, and Jefferson called for "a wall of separation" between
them in 1802 after freedom of religion became part of the First
Amendment to the Constitution. Today that bedrock founding principle
is jeopardized by the extremist Christian Right. If they get their
way, they'll tear down that wall with considerable public support from
the 40% in the country polls say take the Bible literally, and nearly
one-third believe in the "rapture" as Hedges explains in his book. The
notion comes from conservative Protestant eschatology denoting the
final happening when "good Christians" on earth are saved and
"raptured" to heaven to be with Jesus in eternal immortality while non-
believers are doomed to a more hellish, less "rapturous" fate Hedges
characterizes as suffering "unspeakable torments below."

These believers and all others are entitled to their views, but the
Constitution forbids them forcing them on others. Earlier Supreme
Courts agreed in decisions requiring a "wall of separation" between
church and state prohibiting the adoption of any state religion and
requiring government to avoid undue involvement in religion, its
trappings or expressions.

That status was put in jeopardy following the introduction in Congress
of the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004." It was then
reintroduced in near-identical form in 2005, never passed, and now
awaits its fate in the Democrat-led 110th Congress or a future one
that may or may not let it die. If it's ever adopted in its present
form, it will turn the country into a de facto theocracy despite its
supporters' denial. Don't believe them as getting this passed is key
to the Christian Right's mission to turn America into a fascist
theocracy where constitutional law is abolished in favor of extremist
Christian dogma Dominionists like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James
Dobson and others in the movement want to be the supreme law of the
land.

In their world, under their law, practitioners of other faiths will be
lawbreakers including about 75 million non-Christians and many others
of the faith not willing to go along with their interpretation of it.
The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2005" will also deny the Supreme
Court's right to challenge anyone in or affiliated with federal, state
or local government acknowledging the Christian "God (in their canon)
as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." Henceforth,
any judge at any level interpreting the new law differently would be
subject to impeachment and prosecution in the United (extremist
Christian) States of (fascist) America ruled by people like Pat
Robertson and others like him.

American Fascists Masquerading as True Christians - Defiling the
Teachings of Christ, His Twelve Apostles and Others of the Faith

Hedges begins his book with a powerful quote from Blaise Pascal that
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
>from religious conviction." Until the modern era, the best examples in
Christendom were the first Crusades when Popes like Urban II
sanctioned holy wars between 1095 - 1291 to wrest Jerusalem and the
"Holy Land" from "heretic" Muslims and later ones in the 16th century
against infidels - in the name of God.

Today in America, Dominionists are the new "crusaders" Hedges equates
with 20th century fascists because of their fanaticism. They cloak
their ideology in Christianity and patriotism as their way to gain
political power they claim is sanctioned by the Almighty to give the
movement moral legitimacy. But beneath the surface, their doctrine is
dark and foreboding posing real dangers to a free society not to be
taken lightly. It comes from their view of Genesis 1:26-31 they
interpret to mean God gave man "dominion....over all the Earth," and
that Jesus commanded his followers to impose godly rule over everyone
denouncing people of other faiths and non-believers. The modern
blueprint for this ideology comes from the writings of RJ Rushdoony's
1973 book, The Institutes of Biblical Law, calling for a Christian
government. It advocates torture and death for gays, non-Christians
resisting conversion, anyone committing blasphemy, and women guilty of
"unchastity before marriage."

Ideology of Radical Christian Right Fascists

Christian Right extremists advocate a frightening ideology detailed
below. It includes:

-- Racial hatred.

-- White Christian supremacy.

-- Blind adoration and obedience of the movement's leadership while
discouraging free and independent thought.

-- Male gender dominance portraying Jesus as a real man dominating
through force like a powerful warrior ignoring fundamental Christian
"thou shall not kill" doctrine. It's an ideology of hyermasculinity
centered in a male-dominated authoritarian church and in the home
where men are encouraged to dominate their wives, and women and
children are taught to submit.

Well-known Christian Right leader James Dobson built his career on
these ideas and now has a huge media empire dispensing advice as a
Christian therapist over his Focus on the Family program. He's heard
on more than 3000 radio stations and 80 TV stations reaching 200
million people in 116 countries from his 81 acre campus in Colorado
Springs, Colorado employing 1300 people. He's fiercely anti-choice and
anti-gay and has backed political candidates advocating abortionists
be executed. He also calls stem cell research "state-funded
cannibalism" and urges Christian parents take their children out of
public schools and put them in Christian ones teaching his ideology.

Dobson preaches male dominance calling non-submission a violation of
God's law. He also thinks murder is wrong but not when committed
against infidel Iraqis or Islamic terrorists saying all non-believers,
heretics and sinners will be consumed in an End Times Tribulation of
terrible calamities and torment lasting seven years with non-redeemers
condemned to eternal punishment. True believers adhering to holy
scriptures, however, will be saved and "raptured" to eternal life and
bliss in heaven. But getting there means going along with what he, End
Times guru Timothy LaHaye, and other dominant Christian Right figures
like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell preach including that they have a
divine right to rule and must be obeyed.

Hedges notes that televangelists like Robertson, Benny Hill, Paul and
Jan Crouch and others "rule their fiefdoms as despotic potentates"
some adherents might think isn't God's way of doing things. They
travel with burly bodyguards in kingly luxury on private jets; have
amassed huge personal fortunes, much of it gotten from listener
subjects; and show up everywhere in limousines with all the pomposity
of heads of state and billionaire CEOs but in their case playing God
as false prophets "clutching the cross and the Bible (offering
seductively), like Mephistopheles, to lead us to a mythical paradise
and impossible, unachievable happiness and security" provided we
surrender our will to theirs and our money too, which is one way they
get rich.

They preach a false gospel of prosperity and well-being preying on the
gullible to believe faith alone cures illness, overcomes emotional
distress, and assures financial and physical security so there's no
need for traditional secular institutions, social service
organizations and government regulatory agencies to exist. The
movement preaches those not trusting them lack faith, that God alone
is enough, and that fate is determined by a personal relationship with
Jesus Christ in a world in which individuals surrender their will to a
higher authority dictated by the leadership. Hedges sums it up saying
tyranny follows when "fealty to an ideology becomes a litmus test for
individual worth" and a world of "miracles and magic" is the only
"place to turn for help" ruled by Christian Right extremists
"grow(ing) rich off (the vulnerable) who suffer" becoming passive in
the process.

-- Hatred of gays, the "gay agenda," and everyone in the LBGT movement
with Christian Right adherents believing "same-sex attraction" can be
cured like a virus their ideological medicine can fix. They define the
problem as "male gender deficit" for which "reparative therapy" is the
antidote gotten from a close connection with a strong heterosexual man
"comfortable in his male role." With nonsensical ideological fervor,
they believe bonding with a straight man makes homosexuality disappear
while at the same time denouncing gays as depraved perverts and
criminals threatening all Christians.

-- Disdain for non-believers and rational intellectual inquiry.

-- Condemnation of self-criticism and debate as apostasy.

-- Frequent use of the death penalty including for abortionists, gays,
Muslim "terrorists" and other "heretics."

-- Adoration of militarism, war and apocalyptic violence. Adherence to
these notions is so extreme that in the run-up to the Iraq conflict,
many Christian Right leaders and End Times believers preached opposing
war was anti-American and contrary to God's plan and what's written in
the Bible as they interpret it. Their many supporters in Congress
include Minority Leader John Boehner, who supports endless wars. He
recently said "The spread of radical Islamic terrorism is a threat to
our nation (and) the free world....They are (everywhere and) growing
right here in America....dedicated to killing Americans (and) our
allies, and ending freedom and wanting to impose some radical Islamic
law on the entire world." With leaders like Boehner in Congress and
the administration, it's easy to see the influence of radical
Christian fundamentalist poison infecting the body politic and
threatening everyone with it.

-- Illegalization of abortion even in the case of rape and incest.

-- Ending public education with Bush administration help budgeting
billions of dollars for extremist Christian faith-based organizations.
They renounce proved science like evolution allowing only creationism
repackaged as "intelligent design" to be taught as well as other
extremist Christian values sold through the "big lie" to trick those
in the movement to believe mysticism and magic are facts. Hedges calls
the process a "war on truth" where the culture war front lines are in
classrooms, and the battle is one traditional educators are losing.
Core values of a free and open society are being destroyed and
replaced through a process of thought control based on pseudoscience
assaulting the real thing on everything challenging extremist
Christian ideology from creation to HIV/AIDS to pregnancy prevention
to global warming to war and peace.

It's also happening inside government alarming the nonprofit Union of
Concerned Scientists (UCS) advocacy organization to write in its
March, 2004 Scientific Integrity in Policymaking report: "There is
significant evidence that the scope and scale of the (scientifically
unethical) manipulation, suppression, misrepresentation of science by
the (Christian Right dominated) Bush administration are
unprecendented."

-- A primary Christian mission to proselytize non-believers to the
faith by recruiting "soldiers in the army of Jesus Christ" quoting Dr.
D. James Kennedy of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Coral
Ridge, Florida near Fort Lauderdale, just north of Miami. His voice is
dominant in the Christian Right and carried over the huge multimedia
empire he built with his weekly broadcasts heard and seen on more than
600 TV stations, four cable networks and the Armed Forces Network
reaching millions of people.

He also has a six day a week radio show on 744 stations reaching
millions more preaching his radical ideology that "the Christian view
of morality (according to the Christian Right) is the (only) one that
should prevail in America" while denouncing liberal churches and other
religions as godless. He holds workshops teaching how to sell his
brand of religiosity using the same kinds of brainwashing/marketing
techniques political and other extremist movements know work. They
promise believers eternal life while those not saved are damned to
eternal punishment.

-- Rejection of secular humanist notions of reason, ethics, social
equity and justice believing a better world is possible through good
will in a free and open society. Also claims secular humanist
organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union, NAACP, National
Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood and others want to destroy
a Christian America. They further include the major TV networks (for
airing sex and violence); major newspapers and magazines; US State
Department; foundations like Rockefeller, Ford and Carnegie; the UN;
the Democrat party left/liberals; Harvard, Yale and 2000 other
universities; and all others not buying their gospel of extremist
white Christian dominionism and hate.

-- Seizing on the common denominator of pain, disillusion,
dislocation, suffering and despair felt by millions caused by a
culture of "soulless landscapes filled with strip malls and highways"
to build a mass movement of servile, unthinking followers. They've
replaced the real world of science, law and rationality with
unquestioning belief in the word of the leadership and a glorious
other utopian unreal world of prophets, mystical signs and magical
mumbo jumbo that's real to them and in which they're "protected,
loved, guided and blessed." It promises what followers don't have - a
stable home and family, loving community, fixed moral standards,
financial and personal success, and abolition of doubt and uncertainty
based on religious vision and moral clarity. It also frighteningly
promises a final apocalyptic battle of their "good" against all else
they call "evil" exterminating the forces believers blame on their
despair after which they will emerge victorious and saved.

-- A Christian totalitarian ethic based on a gospel of "free -market"
capitalism, militarism and intolerance of democratic freedom of
thought and action.

-- A fanatical devotion to and support for the state of Israel as
Jerusalem, and specifically the Temple Mount Muslims call the Noble
Sanctuary, is where Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians believe the
second coming of the Messiah will be and thus is the holiest site in
the world for Christians and Jews as well who want it for a third and
final Temple. Enter Rev. John Hagee of the 18,000-strong Cornerstone
Church in San Antonio, Texas, global TV ministry, and his Christians
United for Israel (CUFI) radical organization founded in early 2006.
He's perhaps the most extremist, bellicose and influential Christian
Zionist in America today preaching Muslims are Islamic fascists waging
war against Western civilization. His antidote is a gospel of
preemptive war against Islam in self-defense including one against
Iran now if he had his way. The danger is warmongering hate-preachers
like Hagee and others reach large audiences convincing millions of
adherents they're right.

The Dark Side of Radical Christian Morality

Hedges notes the movement's appeal is from the leadership's promise of
a moral Christian nation promising renewal. But the message hides a
darker side with Dominionists awaiting a fiscal, social and/or
political crisis great enough to end democratic constitutional
government replacing it with their vision of a Christian fascist
theocratic America. In the meantime, they spent a generation working
for this and now have great influence at state, local and federal
levels of government.

Hedges notes the movement already controls the Republican party. In
addition, Christian fundamentalists hold a majority of seats in 18 of
50 states plus large minorities in the others. Also, (as of the book's
publication) 45 senators and 186 House members got 80 - 100% approval
ratings from the three most influential Christian Right advocacy
groups: The Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum and Family Resource
Council. This represents a dominant mass movement succeeding because
mainstream Christians and the major media aren't confronting it, and
their passivity threatens the constitutional rights of a democratic
state on life support sinking fast with help from the Christian Right
on the ascendancy.

They're influence is spread by Christian broadcasters commanding large
audiences estimated to be 141 million in the US through radio and TV.
They preach the Christian Right gospel flaunting their wealth, power
and celebrity status to show it works for believers of the faith. They
believe in unrestrained free-market capitalism, divinely sanctioned to
freely create a global marketplace of (non-Christian, non-believing)
serfs, denied all rights, forbidden to organize, and left to the mercy
of a repressive state and corporate predators out for profit and to be
allowed to dictate wages and control the right to work.

Compassion for the less fortunate is left to individual acts of
charity and the churches with government out of it entirely and only
dedicated to social control and aggressive militarism dictated by a
warrior God (meaning Jesus) giving Christian America the right to rule
the world and assure corporate giants can suck all the profit and life
out of it. Hedges explains the Christian Right sells an ideology
believing it's a "Christian duty to embrace the exploitation of
others, to build a Christian America where freedom means the freedom
of the powerful to dominate the weak....to bring about (their notion
of ) a Christian utopia (that when no legal or social protections
remain) it will be too late to resist (and the movement's leadership
will be in control of everything)." Their plan is to "convince the
masses to agitate for their own incarceration" shocking as that notion
sounds, but it's working.

The movement is on a "crusade" against constitutional government
working for now within the political system it wants to destroy and
remake in its own image. Awaiting the time they'll take over, they're
creating a parallel system within the existing one in which only
"Bible-believing" judges, Christian teachers, and pseudo-reporters on
Christian broadcasts are tolerated. And only white Christian men
championing their extremist doctrine will be allowed to rule. Students
are taught this ideology in Christian schools Hedges says are the
fastest growing segment of the private school system. Textbooks used
call Islam, Buddhism and African religions "false," Hinduism "pagan,"
and even Catholicism "distorted."

It's also heard on the campaign trail from candidates like "stalwart
on the Christian Right" 2006 Ohio gubernatorial losing candidate
Kenneth Blackwell who as secretary of state and co-chair of Ohio's
Committee to Reelect George Bush in 2004 "arranged" for enough votes
in the state to go to the sitting president to swing Ohio and the
election for him. In his own losing effort in 2006, he appeared at
Christian Right rallies laying out a blueprint for an authoritarian
state where all dissent is heresy yet campaigned carefully not to
offend those outside the movement by avoiding religious terminology.

Christian Right Fascism in Real Time in "Bush's Shadow Army" -
Blackwater USA

Journalist and author Jeremy Scahill characterizes Blackwater USA as
"the world's most powerful mercenary army" in his new book about them.
Like Hedges' book, it's frightening reading needing exposure. It
describes a "shadowy mercenary company....largely off the
congressional radar....having remarkable power and protection within
the US war apparatus" with no accountability or oversight on the
ground in Iraq, (working for the State Department, not the Pentagon,
with a $300 million no-bid contract), Afghanistan, on US streets and
in neighborhoods like New Orleans, and coming soon to a city and
neighborhood near you courtesy of the Gestapo-like Department of
Homeland Security. With backing from the Bush administration, it
operates outside the law and Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
and is immune from civil lawsuits like the military. Scahill calls
Blackwater the "Bush Administration's Praetorian Guard (along with the
CIA long-serving in that capacity and that uses Bl ackwater in its
illegal covert operations abroad and at home)."

Blackwater was founded in 1996 by former Navy SEAL and now super-rich
Erik Prince who's closely tied to the Christian Right he funds and
supports. It came into its own post 9/11 becoming a dominant player in
the Bush administration's "Global War on Terror" (GLOB) now rebranded
"The Long War." Today, Blackwater employs 2300 personnel in nine
countries with 20,000 or more private mercenary contractors ready to
go wherever needed and are part of the 100,000 contractors in Iraq,
48,000 of whom are paramilitary mercenaries. It also has a fleet of 20
aircraft (believed to have been used covertly as part of the Bush
administration's "extraordinary renditions" of targeted individuals),
including helicopter gunships, a private intelligence division, and
operates at home on its 7000 acre Moyock headquarters Scahill calls
"the world's largest private military base."

It's not enough for Blackwater in the burgeoning world of privatized
secret mercenary paramilitary armies coming soon to a neighborhood
near you, so the company is preparing by seeking an environmentally
sensitive protected agricultural preserve southeast of San Diego, CA
for it current expansion plans. It's an 824 acre site in Potrero, CA
surrounded by the Cleveland Forest Blackwater wants for a military
training base with 15 firing ranges for automatic and non-automatic
weapons and various types of commando-type training facilities
residents don't want near their community for obvious reasons
concerning safety. People everywhere should object, for what may
endanger one isolated community now or a larger one in New Orleans
already may threaten us all in a paramilitarized America we're heading
for locked down by Blackwater-type storm troops enforcing Christian
Right fascist dogma.

In the meantime, Blackwater is cashing in big as a war profiteer
getting huge no-bid Bush administration contracts Congress belatedly
is showing interest in wanting to oversee to eliminate abuses. Whether
it will happen, however, is problematical as current laws on the books
aren't enforced making it likely new ones won't be either on all
matters relating to foreign wars, so-called "terrorism," or anything
claimed for national security. As long as the nation is in wars both
parties support and the Christian Right is dominant, companies like
Blackwater will thrive. With them, wars are easier to get into and
harder to end meaning the culture of militarism will grow abroad and
at home that's part of the Christian Right's agenda to impose its
extremist theocratic rule on the country where, if it happens,
democratic freedom, as we know it, is incompatible. Under it,
Blackwater's private army will be on our city streets as thuggish
paramilitary enforcers licensed to terrorize a nd kill with impunity
bringing to America what they're well paid to do abroad.

"Eternal" Fascist Chickens Coming Home to Roost

A generation ago, the notion of a "global Christian empire" was barely
credible, but Hedges' ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, 80-
year old Dr. James Luther Adams, warned back then we'd all one day be
fighting "Christian fascists." It was when Pat Robertson and other
radical televangelists began preaching a new political religion aimed
at creating a dominant Christian world according to their extremist
views. Adams was in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and saw with horror what
happened there firsthand. Hedges says he "was not a man to use the
word 'fascist' lightly." He understood before most others the
similarities of that time in Germany to what was developing here
around 1980. He saw "how the mask of religion hides irreligion (and)
our world is full to bursting with (various) faiths, each contending
for allegiance." It was a virtual "battle of faiths, a battle of the
gods who claim human allegiance."

Adams knew deep-seated resentments and bigotry exist in all democratic
societies like Weimar Germany and saw it emerging in 1980s America
promoting the destruction of democracy. He feared late in his life a
movement here was on the march, more cleverly packaged and
sophisticated than in the past and this time with no serious
opposition. He saw hatreds being stoked, progressive forces weakening,
and the despair of tens of millions of Americans losing good
manufacturing and other well-paying jobs being easy prey for smooth-
talking fanatics like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell promising
miracles and visions of apocalyptic glory.

Adams said then to watch the Christian Right's treatment of gays
knowing the Nazis used their "values" to repress opponents and just
days after coming to power in 1933 Hitler banned all gay and lesbian
organizations as his first target with many others to follow. Pastor
Martin Niemoller warned us in different versions of his famous
quotation listing Jews, communists and trade unionists targeted but
omitting the one Hitler chose first. He didn't speak out because he
wasn't one of them, and when they came for him there was no one left.
It was too late.

Adams explained gays in a Christian Right dominated American would be
the first "social deviants" singled out for condemnation,
disempowerment and elimination as in Nazi Germany. Other targeted
groups would follow, and we would be next. He then warned as does
Hedges that forces against American democracy are "waiting for a
moment to strike, a national crisis that will allow them to shred the
Constitution in the name of national security." The Christian Right
awaits that time "with gleeful anticipation" wanting adherents to be
ready.

Hedges warns we also must be ready quoting Alvin Toffler saying "if
you don't have a strategy you end up being part of someone else's
strategy." It means challenging the Christian Right's gospel of hate,
"exclusion, cruelty and intolerance in the name of God" with a
doctrine of life, hope and respect for the worth and dignity of
everyone, and their right to practice their beliefs openly in a free
society. That's the American dream shared by free people everywhere.
At the book's end, Hedges says preserving it means giving up
"passivity, challeng(ing) aggressively this movement's deluded
appropriation of Christianity (and fighting back) to defend
tolerance." Wishing won't make it so. Defending democracy means
working at it every day. Today we face an imminent threat to our
freedom against which "tolerance coupled with passivity is a (deadly)
vice" that will destroy us unless we're on guard to be sure it doesn't.



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On Apr 22, 2:29 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
> Of course, this is nothing new.  It's the same story over and over and over
> again.  And then next we'll hear about Israel ONCE AGAIN offering the hand
> of peace and then the pallies will ONCE AGAIN smack it away.
>
> and it goes on, and on, and on, and on....
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267690,00.html
>
> QUESTION FOR THE GUN PUSHERS:  If you were in Israel's position, would YOU
> want the pallies to have guns?


THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT NEED GUNS ZIO FASCISTS HAVE TOO MANY GUNS
ALREADY



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 RAPISTS, TORTURERS, AND ROBBERS ARE NOT SOLDIERS, AND THAT IS WHAT
UNITED STATES MILITARY MAN HAS BEEN RELEGATED TO!



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 WON WHAT?  DO YOU KNOW A SING LE PERSON WHO LIKES YIDS?



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 WON SHIT~  THE PARTY IS NOT OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS!



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On Mar 26, 2:40 am, "pembuka kedok setan"  wrote:
> The Name of God in Islam
>
> Ignorance: The beginning of hatred
>
> Often one is simply stunned by the appalling ignorance of the religious
> systems of this world. In the discussion of late there has been an
> extraordinary amount of vilification of the Islamic system based on, or as a
> result of, the terrorist attacks coming from the Afghan systems under the
> Taliban and the Bin Laden network and the Allied counter reactions. Many
> papers are being circulated that are so obviously false, yet presented in
> such an assertive way, that a scholar of Comparative Religion would laugh at
> the assertions. However, a number of people, who are less informed, are
> being taken in by these religious bigots.
>
> One such fairy tale of the bigots concerns the name of God or Allah in
> Islam.
>
> We will now look at some of the assertions regarding these matters. Perhaps
> we might get some sense and reason based on fact into the argument.

Alah was called Allah in the pre Islamic times! Allah is called Allah
by all Faiths of people who speak Arabic language which includes
Christians, Jews, and other  faiths. The origin of the word Is from
Mesopotamia, and some versions can be traced to Vedic





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She told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Her life was 
saved by Iraqis first time, and by brave Iraqi lawyer, and US troops second 
time. ZioNazis wanted to make her into a phony hero. She wanted no part of 
this bullshit and said so straight to our legislators.

Way to go Jessica, you are my hero, nevertheless! 




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Corruption? Road accidents? Pollution? Poverty? Who cares about this 
nonsense? Two Qassam rockets just landed in Sderot and Ahmadinejad again 
made some belligerent statements. We've got action. Who has the energy to 
deal with the small stuff? And meanwhile, the country is crumbling in our 
fingers. Slowly but surely.
We already got used to it: There's no minister who isn't facing a police 
investigation. Every police chief comes with a scandal and every IDF chief 
of staff is a failure. The universities are suffocating, while colleges are 
flourishing. Everyone is studying law and business management in order to 
learn about how to move money.

Anyone who's worth anything in science and technology goes abroad to pursue 
a career, because there are no research budgets in Israel. And let's say 
we're able to give rise to and even keep two or three brilliant minds here, 
what exactly are we going to do with all those ultra-Orthodox guys who study 
Torah instead of serving in the army or working? Who will keep Israel afloat 
in 15 years?

We tried to build a country that would be a safe place for the Jewish people 
and that will allow us to live there in peace. It didn't work out. It turns 
out we can't have it all. Perhaps it's something about the Jewish character, 
or perhaps it's the fact that we got stuck in the Middle East of all places, 
and maybe it's just bad luck.




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Homeland security officer arrested after raid
Government was seeking illegal aliens recruited to work for prostitution 
ring
By Dan Herbeck NEWS STAFF REPORTER
Updated: 04/25/07 6:30 AM


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 When federal agents raided local massage parlors last month, they were 
shocked to find a Department of Homeland Security law enforcement officer's 
gun and uniform in an apartment linked to one of the parlors.

That officer - David J. Wolkiewicz, 51 - appeared before a federal 
magistrate judge Tuesday, and court papers indicated that he has admitted 
that he helped run a parlor where prostitution allegedly took place.

Prosecutors said Wolkiewicz, an officer with U.S. Customs & Border 
Protection, has admitted assisting the operator of the Asian Acupressure 
Therapy parlor at 7500 Porter Road, Town of Niagara.

Wolkiewicz, who has been suspended from duty, was charged last week with 
lying to government agents.

According to court papers, the federal officer's uniform, name plate and gun 
were found on March 26, when federal agents raided a Porter Road apartment 
of a massage parlor employee.

When agents confronted him that day at a nearby location, he admitted that 
he was involved in a romantic relationship with a woman who ran the parlor 
but initially stated that he provided "no financial support or other 
assistance" to the business.

But later, authorities said, Wolkiewicz admitted that he:

. Sometimes drove women who he believed were prostitutes between the parlor 
and Buffalo Niagara International Airport.

. Once delivered a gym bag from the woman who ran the parlor to another 
woman at a casino in Niagara Falls, Ont. Wolkiewicz said he believed the gym 
bag contained sneakers and clothing.

. Once delivered a package from the same Ontario casino to the woman who ran 
the parlor. That package included about 10 smaller foil packages. Wolkiewicz 
said he believed the foil packages contained cosmetics, and he did not 
declare them when he transported them over the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge 
into the United States.

. Did maintenance and repair work at the massage parlor, including changing 
a shower head, fixing a whirlpool and repairing light fixtures.

. Placed advertisements for the massage parlor in local newspapers.

. Got a Sam's Club card for the massage parlor, and the card had his 
photograph on it.

"Wolkiewicz also stated that he tried to distance himself from the 
prostitution establishment, that he attempted to encourage [the operator] to 
run a legitimate business," Robert M. Vanderbles, an agent with the homeland 
security inspector general's office, said in court papers.

The papers were filed by William J. Hochul Jr., chief of the national 
security division at the U.S. attorney's office in Buffalo. Hochul declined 
to comment, except to confirm what was stated in the documents.

U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents raided eight massage parlors 
in Erie and Niagara counties on March 26, following a lengthy investigation 
into claims that illegal aliens were being recruited to work as prostitutes 
at the parlors.

Fourteen people have been charged so far in what authorities call a major 
human trafficking investigation. Yong Mei Shi, the woman identified in court 
papers as having a relationship with Wolkiewicz, was arrested during the 
raids on charges of harboring illegal aliens.

Wolkiewicz and one of his attorneys, Ellen Poch, appeared briefly Tuesday 
afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge Jeremiah J. McCarthy, who allowed the 
federal officer to remain free without bail.

A plea of not guilty has been entered by Wolkiewicz. Poch said she had no 
comment on the allegations.

dherbeck@buffnews.com




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Several months after 9/11, famed news anchor Dan Rather told the BBC that 
American reporters were practicing "a form of self-censorship":
"there was a time in South Africa that people would put flaming tires around 
peoples' necks if they dissented. And in some ways the fear is that you will 
be necklaced here, you will have a flaming tire of lack of patriotism put 
around your neck. Now it is that fear that keeps journalists from asking the 
toughest of the tough questions.... And again, I am humbled to say, I do not 
except myself from this criticism.

"What we are talking about here - whether one wants to recognise it or not, 
or call it by its proper name or not - is a form of self-censorship."




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Anti-Israel ad campaign set for Washington subway





By ANDY LEVY-AJZENKOPF
Staff Reporter






WASHINGTON, D.C. - area commuters will be inundated with a controversial 
poster-ad campaign when they take the city's subway system next month.

Starting May 13 for four weeks, the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit 
Authority (WMATA) has ordered 20 of its subway stations to place posters 
advertising a June 10 rally to end "Israel's illegal military occupation of 
the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem."

Initiated by a charity called the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli 
Occupation, the 46-by-60-inch posters depict an imposing tank pointing its 
main firing turret at a child with a schoolbag walking along a dirt road.

"Imagine if this were your child's path to school. Palestinians don't have 
to imagine," the poster states, before continuing to call for an end to U.S. 
aid for "Israel's brutal military occupation. paid for by U.S. taxpayers 
like you."

CBS Outdoor, the New York-based firm that places in-station advertising for 
WMATA, at first refused to consider the poster, but eventually relented to 
pressure from WMATA and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

According to an April 4 report in the Washington Jewish Week online, the 
U.S. Campaign contacted the ACLU, which then advised WMATA to order CBS 
Outdoor to place the posters, citing freedom of speech rights.

Joanne Ferreira, a WMATA spokesperson, said, "We didn't have any problem 
with the ad. It was a First Amendment issue."

In the same report, Oren Segal, a spokesperson for the Anti-Defamation 
League said, "If past events by this organization are any indication, it 
will make no attempt to present a balanced view of the Israeli-Palestinian 
conflict, and this ad is a pure reflection of that."

Jodi Senese, CBS Outdoor's executive vice-president in charge of marketing, 
explained to The CJN last week why she first turned away the poster.

"I initially rejected it on grounds that I thought it was too inflammatory 
to children," she said over the phone from her Manhattan office.

Senese recalled that she told U.S. Campaign staff that if they wanted to 
raise awareness for their campaign, she was fine with it based on First 
Amendment rights, "but not like this," she said.

The U.S. Campaign claims 250 member organizations in the United States. Its 
website features a prominent logo with the slogan, "Apartheid: Wrong for 
South Africans. Wrong for Palestinians."

Senese, who is Jewish, indicated that though she was uneasy with the ad, her 
personal feelings were not a part of her initial decision to dismiss the ad.

"I'm very proud [of being a Jew]," Senese said. "I thought the image was 
inflammatory, but I also believe in our First Amendment rights. As Jews [in 
America], we thrive on that right as well."

Senese indicated at the time of the interview, that to her knowledge no 
other group had yet come forward with a counter-campaign for CBS Outdoor to 
run.

Arthur Spitzer, who is Jewish and the legal director for the ACLU in the 
National Capital Area, told the Washington Jewish Week it wasn't "a case 
about Judaism or Israel. but about establishing someone's right to freedom 
of speech, which I agree with regardless of whether I agree with their 
particular political position."

Jewish organizations in the D.C. area downplayed the seriousness of the 
upcoming campaign.

Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, president of Washington-based pro-Israel 
think-tank, the Israel Project, said her organization didn't consider the ad 
campaign worth wasting resources to counter in the media and expected the 
ads to have a "minimum impact."

She said when the Israel Project and other prominent Jewish organizations in 
the area first learned about the ad, they worried about its "ominous" 
potential.

They discussed the matter at length and then conducted several focus group 
studies on the ad with dozens of "highly educated people" before concluding 
the ad wasn't worth combating actively.

In fact, Laszlo Mizrahi claimed that of the dozens who analyzed the ad in 
the focus groups, upon first glance most thought the tank was an American 
one surrounded by Iraqi children. And even when they read the poster's 
words, participants had little sympathy for the cause, she said.

"It's a poorly run... poorly executed campaign and the American people are 
onto [the U.S. Campaign's] game," Laszlo Mizrahi said. "There are real, 
legitimate threats to the U.S.-Israel relationship - this is just not one of 
them.

"If these guys want to build support for their cause, they need to have 
something to sell that doesn't encourage children to blow themselves up."




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In a segment blatantly titled "The Big Scare" today 4/24/07 on the Big 
Story, Douglas Kennedy had to raise his voice to be heard over the sirens 
wailing in the background video as he warned viewers that chlorine was the 
next big threat from terrorists. Images of kids splashing in impossibly blue 
pools added to the sense of personal danger.

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA) has called for the Department of Homeland Security to 
be extra-vigilant in guarding producers and storers of chlorine gas, as 
several thefts have reportedly been attempted in California. Markey wants 
the DHS to have the authority to require chemical facilities across the 
nation to put in place real security that would block thefts. He wants all 
chlorine plants to undergo mandatory risk assessments, allowing DHS to shut 
down any that don't comply.

Five chlorine gas bombs have been used recently in Iraq, called "mass 
destruction weapons of choice" by the always dramatic Kennedy.

The report was short but in that time instilled a sense of urgency and fear, 
with sirens mixing with children in lovely pools.




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"BernardZ"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.2099dabf10557da3989db9@west.Usenet-News.net...
> In article <1177474813.057941.229120@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> A BRITISH soldier shot dead in Basra was the FIFTH victim of a crack
>> sniper team.
>>
>> Kingsman Alan Jones, 20, was hit as he provided "top cover" for
>> comrades from the hatch of a Warrior vehicle.
>>
>
> http://ichounslow.icnetwork.co.uk/news/tm_headline=uk-soldier-killed-in-
> basra-named&method=full&objectid=18957699&siteid=106484-name_page.html
>
> The unit came under small-arms fire. It does not seem like a sniper Alex

Idit! What does a sniper use?  A cannon? 




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 wrote in message 
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> [Follow-ups set]
>
> April 25
>
> 1943
>
> Soviet Russia breaks diplomatic relations with the Polish
> government-in-exile in London, citing "slanderous charges"
> following discovery of the Katyn forest graves. (USHMM 1993, p. 31)
> (The Soviet Union was indeed responsible -

LIAR!  JEWISH COMMISSARS OF NKVD WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KATYN MASSACRE! 




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Subject: AND IN THE END...RUSSIA GETS THE IRAQI OIL !@
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Moscow backs Lukoil Iraq project
By Carola Hoyos in London

Published: April 24 2007 20:22 | Last updated: April 24 2007 20:22

The Russian government is throwing its full support behind Lukoil's ambition 
to become the first big international energy group to develop a major Iraqi 
oil field following the 2003 US invasion.

Vagit Alekperov, Lukoil's chief executive, said in an interview on Tuesday: 
"The Russian government supports us, the foreign ministry supports us, the 
president of the federation supports us. They support the idea of putting 
those Iraqi fields into production as soon as possible. In all these areas 
we have the support of the Russian government."

He added that Lukoil would be able to develop the West Qurna field two to 
three times more quickly than any other company. "We are ready to move 
really fast," he said. "The situation in South Iraq is pretty stable and we 
have no problem starting operations right after the passage of the 
hydrocarbon law and once we have the necessary approvals," he said. Iraq's 
parliament aims to pass the law by the end of next month.

West Qurna is believed to hold as many as 11bn-15bn barrels of recoverable 
oil reserves and has a potential to produce as many as 1m barrels a day, 
making it one of the world's biggest fields.

International energy companies such as ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell and BP 
have been waiting for the security situation in Iraq to improve before 
developing fields, and analysts believe the situation in the Shia-dominated 
region close to the southern port of Basra where West Qurna is located is 
far from predictable.

But at least one US company would benefit if Iraq's oil ministry assigned 
the development of West Qurna to Lukoil. In 2004 ConocoPhillips, the US's 
third largest energy group, formed a strategic partnership with Lukoil in 
which the US company gradually expanded its stake to just shy of 20 per 
cent. At the time of the announcement, the companies noted the eventually 
development of West Qurna as one of their motives for the deal.

Lukoil has spent more than a decade angling for West QurnaIn spite of United 
Nations sanctions, the company signed a deal with Saddam Hussein, Iraq's 
deposed president, in 1997 to develop the field. But in 2002, shortly before 
the US invasion, Baghdad rescinded the deal, saying it was angered by Lukoil's 
attempts to get assurances from the opposition that it would keep the 
contract in case Mr Hussein's regime fell.

In the past two years Lukoil has spent $20m to train 1000-2000 Iraqi oil 
field engineers in Russian fields, put another 100 through Russian 
universities and provide equipment for Iraq's oil industry.

Gaining access to West Qurna is especially important for Lukoil because the 
Russian government is consolidating its power over Russian oil and gas 
fields by shifting the ownership of country's biggest fields to its state 
companies, Gazprom and Rosneft.

"We believe our homebase is Russia," Mr Alekperov said, but he added: "At 
the same time we will be taking new efforts outside the Russian federation."

Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin's spokesman said: "Defending the interests of 
Russian companies abroad as a whole is a matter of importance for the 
government ... and it is also an important priority for the president. As 
far as Lukoil is concerned, it is a major company that is expanding its 
reach in many countries of the world... The intentions of the company to 
expand its presence in Iraq is supported in Russia."

Additional reporting by Catherine Belton in Moscow

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0f90bf9c-f298-11db-a454-000b5df10621.html 




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From: Venceremos 
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On Apr 24, 9:23 pm, "M_Elias"  wrote:
> I'd like to kill those that openly profess the holocaust did not exist
> because when they deny the holocaust they blaspheme the name of Hashem.

HOLOCAUST DID HAPPEN WHEN THE JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED 100
MILLION RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS BETWEEN 1917 AND 1989. NOT TO MENTION
THE FACT THAT THE JEWS BAYONETTED THE CZAR AND HIS CHILDREN THROUGH
BOTH EYES.

that is what i call a holocaust



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This won't be a long winded article, but just a friendly reminder of who it 
is that runs our country, where their loyalties lie, and just how 
outrageously hypocritical they are.

It's no secret that the men (and one woman) who own are rule America, are 
said to be patriotic ideologues whose only objectives are noble and high 
minded.

They want an America with a smaller government, free trade, and preemptive 
strike options against countries "seen" as enemies to alter regimes deemed 
threatening to their neighbors and to our homeland.

All these fine people, a group which includes George W."Decider" 
Bush,Richard "Darth" Cheney, Condi "Ferrigamo" Rice, Don "Gung Ho!" 
Rumsfeld, Karl "Doughboy" Rove,Richard "Dark Angel" Perle, Paul"Spitter" 
Wolfowitz,Douglas"Madman" Feith,and a host of others, all have one thing in 
common: VAST WEALTH from inheritance, big business and most significantly 
WAR PROFITEERING!

I put it to you: If there was no money to be gleaned from Warhawk 
Ideology...would these fine individuals be involved in hyping their "pure 
and excellent ideology"?

I think not.

Remember again what Calvera the Bandit said in "The Magnificent 
Seven"....."I put it to you; if God didn't want them sheared then he would 
not have made them sheep"

WE being the sheep.






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From: Venceremos 
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On Apr 25, 12:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:
> [Follow-ups set]
>
> April 25
>
> 1943
>
> Soviet Russia breaks diplomatic relations with the Polish
> government-in-exile in London, citing "slanderous charges"
> following discovery of the Katyn forest graves.

IDIOT!  KATYN EXECUTIONS WERE CARRIED BY THE FUCKING JEWISH COMMISSARS
INCLUDING THE PAPA OF TOLIA SHARANSKY!



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From: Venceremos 
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Subject: Re: Are you an Israeli first, or a Jew? YETNEWS
Date: 25 Apr 2007 21:23:01 -0700
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