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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Croatia Assures ADL That Makers of 'Hitler' Sugar Packets Will Be Prosecuted
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On Feb 28, 1:03 am, "ADL Reporter"  wrote:
> "The Government of Croatia has assured the Anti-Defamation League
> (ADL) that an investigation is underway in the production and
> distribution of sugar packets bearing an image of Adolf Hitler and
> Holocaust "jokes," which appeared last week in some cafes in
> Croatia...." See more at URL below.
>
> http://antidefamationleague.us/#croatia_assures_adl

Za dom spremni!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:10:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Arab becomes Israel's acting President.
Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:07:32 -0800
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On Feb 27, 9:32 pm, Chip Anderson 
wrote:
> "Tilly"  wrote innews:es2ni0$3os$1@aioe.org:
>
> >  JERUSALEM  -  Israel got its first Arab president Tuesday, even if
> >  it's
> > only for a week.
>
> > Acting President Dalia Itzik left Tuesday on a trip to the U.S.,
> > leaving Majalli Wahaba, a Druse, as Israel's ceremonial president.
>
> -->snip<--
>
> So much for the "apartheid state" rhetoric.
>
Puppets are dime a dozen



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Arab becomes Israel's acting President.
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On Feb 28, 4:16 am, BOLUDOVSKY  wrote:
> "Tilly"  dixit:
>
> >  JERUSALEM  -  Israel got its first Arab president Tuesday, even if
> >  it's
> > only for a week.
>
>  A black becomes president of the 'Apartheid' state... humm, I guess that's
> gonna be a hard pill to swallow for the antisemitic-antizionist bunch.
>
>                          BOLUDOVSKY
>
> --
> FREE GILAD SHALIT, EHUD GOLDWASSER AND ELDAD REGEV!http://www.banim.org

WHY?  ISRAEL HAS NOT FREED ANY OF THE 12,000 PALESTINIANS THEY ARE
HOLDING IN THYEIR AUSCHWITZES




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Arab becomes Israel's acting President.
Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:12:38 -0800
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On Feb 28, 5:26 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 27-Feb-2007, "zr"  wrote:
>
> > Too bad he wasn't a she, all the brains in the Muslim sect belong to the
> > women.
>
> The acting president is a Druse.
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1172628966.262441.53420@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Feb 27, 8:57 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > >>  JERUSALEM  -  Israel got its first Arab president Tuesday, even if
> > >>  it's
> > >> only for a week.
>
> > >> Acting President Dalia Itzik left Tuesday on a trip to the U.S.
>
> > > Asking for more moolah, I suppose!
>
> Too bad we can't give them as much as they actually deserve.
>
> Susan
IF IT WAS UP TO ME I WOULD GIVE THEM SWEET FUCK ALL, TAKE THEM
NOWHERE, AND DON'T EVEN GIVE THEM THE TIME OF THE DAY




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: for Jews to think about - WAKE UP CALL!
Date: 28 Feb 2007 18:05:29 -0800
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On Feb 28, 2:30 pm, "Grand Sen~or"  wrote:
> Jews should ask themselves;->
>
> What did we gain after WW2?
>
> Did we regain in EUS the right to make our laws and implement them to
> jews?
>
> Didn't we started getting assimilated to EUS' secularo-fascist laws
> and by that give birth a secularo-fascist state like Isael?
>
> What is Israel to do with the laws of G-d?
>
> We are dreaming that if we work hard we can gain power even in a
> secularo-fascist structure, but we forget that in this process we
> become just another of them - secularo-fascists, we don't realise that
> we lose our identity as jews in this process. We need our G-d given
> right to make our laws and implement to our people to protect our
> jewish identity - we need those rights to be recovered at least - at
> least - on the level that we used to practice in Andalusia.
>
> The right to make our laws,
> the right to implement our laws to jews and
> the right to choose our political leadership to be represented at
> political level. Nothing less!
>
> We don't want to melt away within secularo-fascism of EUS.

My advice to Jews would be; "Do not ask what the world can do for you,
ask what you can do to improve the poverty  and slavery in the world"

That is when Jews would be accepted into the world communit y as equals



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: SONS OF SNAKES AND SCORPIONS
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On Feb 28, 10:23 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> what a laugh i have, what a laugh at the idiots who believe the shit. but=
 no
> wonder, they have goyishe cop, so there. they probly envy us. yeah. this
> might be the reason for their imbecility.

NOBODY ENVIES THE ZIONAZI GARBAGE, NOR IS IT AGAINST ANY LAW TO
DESPISE YOU BASTARDS!

"Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1172686719.264722.182000@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> An official summary of an FBI-wiretapped conversation contains anti-
> Semitic slurs that do not appear in the actual transcript.
>
> The summary portrays Baker as raging against "the Jews of the world"
> and as claiming that Jews have no allegiance to anything but "their
> pockets and to preserving the illegal Zionist state of Israel."
>
> =B7 "Their Jews' only purpose here in the U.S. is to purchase as many
> politicians as possible and to warp the way the American Christians
> feel and think not just about the Christian religion but mainly about
> the Palestinian people ... and to rob as much money as possible from
> American taxpayers for the illegitimate excuse of protecting and
> preserving the chosen people of God."
>
> =B7 "Even Jesus Christ had called the Jews and their high priests ... the
> sons of snakes and scorpions."
>
> =B7 "I am confident that in the end justice, and not the Jews, will
> prevail. I believe that there is still justice in America."
>
> These people, as the ones setting up the al-quaeda videotapes must be
> laughing out loud just for being able to speak their minds out,VC.
> (6066 bytes) [c] Print
> 02/26/07 "Los Angeles" - - -When the Bush administration shut down the
> nation's largest Muslim charity five years ago, officials of the
> Dallas-based foundation denied allegations it was linked to terrorists
> and insisted that a number of accusations were fabricated by the
> government.
>
> Now, attorneys for the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development
> say the government's own documents provide evidence of that claim.
>
> In recent court filings, defense lawyers disclosed striking
> discrepancies between an official summary and the verbatim transcripts
> of an FBI-wiretapped conversation in 1996 involving Holy Land
> officials.
>
> The summary attributes inflammatory, anti-Semitic comments to Holy
> Land officials that are not found in a 13-page transcript of the
> recorded conversation. It recently was turned over to the defense by
> the government in an exchange of evidence.
>
> Citing the unexplained discrepancies, defense lawyers have asked U.S.
> District Judge A. Joe Fish in Dallas to declassify thousands of hours
> of FBI surveillance recordings, so that full transcripts would replace
> government summaries as evidence.
>
> The demand could force government prosecutors to either declassify
> evidence it has fought to keep secret or risk losing a critical
> portion of evidence in its case.
>
> In December, the judge denied a defense request to declassify the
> documents so they could be examined by defendants in the case. Seven
> former foundation officials, six of them U.S. citizens, have been
> charged with funneling money to overseas charities controlled by
> Hamas, which the U.S. has designated as a foreign terrorist
> organization. The defendants have denied the charges.
>
> Though defense attorneys already have government clearances that allow
> them to review the material, under the federal Classified Information
> Procedures Act they have been prohibited from sharing it with their
> clients. And unless the act's rules are declared unconstitutional in
> the case, defense attorneys argue, the defendants will have no way of
> proving that the statements attributed to them were misconstrued or
> never made.
>
> The recently declassified summary of surveillance on April 15, 1996,
> asserts that during a conversation wiretapped by the FBI, Holy Land's
> former executive director Shukri Abu Baker told two associates there
> was no need to worry about the foundation being unfairly targeted
> because U.S. courts were not under the control of the American Israel
> Public Affairs Committee or its sponsor, "the government of the demons
> of Israel."
>
> The summary portrays Baker as raging against "the Jews of the world"
> and as claiming that Jews have no allegiance to anything but "their
> pockets and to preserving the illegal Zionist state of Israel."
>
> Additional anti-Semitic comments the FBI summary attributed to Baker
> or Ghassan Elashi, Holy Land's former board chairman, included:
>
> =B7 "Their Jews' only purpose here in the U.S. is to purchase as many
> politicians as possible and to warp the way the American Christians
> feel and think not just about the Christian religion but mainly about
> the Palestinian people ... and to rob as much money as possible from
> American taxpayers for the illegitimate excuse of protecting and
> preserving the chosen people of God."
>
> =B7 "Even Jesus Christ had called the Jews and their high priests ... the
> sons of snakes and scorpions."
>
> =B7 "I am confident that in the end justice, and not the Jews, will
> prevail. I believe that there is still justice in America."
>
> None of those quotes was contained in a 13-page transcript of the
> conversation, defense lawyers said in their motion to expand access to
> classified evidence.
>
> "Throughout the run-up to trial, the government has insisted that the
> defendants can learn what is contained in the surveillance intercepts
> by reading the so-called 'summaries' of those intercepts," defense
> attorneys said in their papers.
>
> But the recently disclosed transcript, attorneys said, shows that "not
> only are the summaries so inaccurate and misleading as to be useless,"
> but that the "author of the attached summary has cynically and
> maliciously attributed to the defendants racist invective and
> inculpatory remarks the defendants never uttered."
>
> "It is appalling that such summaries even exist, much less that the
> government represented that this is all our clients need to know in
> order to defend themselves."
>
> Defense lawyers declined to comment about their motion. A federal
> prosecutor said the government would respond with its own filings to
> the court.
>
> How the summary and transcript could be so different was unclear,
> though experts in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act arena
> theorized that its top-secret nature may have led some analysts to
> believe that the work product would never be publicly disclosed, much
> less entered into evidence in a trial.
>
> Because the court records are heavily redacted, it could not be
> determined who provided the summaries of the FBI wiretaps.
>
> Other alleged discrepancies also have dogged the case. Holy Land
> lawyers challenged the accuracy of an FBI memo, for example, that
> quoted a foundation office manager as telling Israeli authorities that
> charitable funds were "channeled to Hamas."
>
> But defense lawyers told the court the translation from Arabic to
> Hebrew to English distorted the official's original statement, and
> that he should have been quoted as saying, "We have no connection to
> Hamas."
>
> The Holy Land Foundation was closed weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist
> attacks on New York and the Pentagon. The action followed years of
> efforts by Israel and many pro-Israeli groups in the U.S. to close the
> foundation on the grounds that it was a fundraising front for Hamas.
>
> The former Holy Land officials facing trial are charged with
> conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists by sending money,
> goods and services to Palestinian charities controlled by Hamas, a
> U.S.-designated terrorist group since 1995.
>
> greg.krikor...@latimes.com
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17197.htm




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: PEDERASTY U.S. OFFICER RAPED FOUR MEN
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On Feb 28, 9:09 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1172634356.430520.21...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > An Air Force officer accused of raping four men and attempting to rape
> > two others is only guilty of being gay in the military, a defense
> > attorney told a court-martial jury during closing arguments.
>
> > Capt. Devery L. Taylor, 38, violated the military's "don't ask, don't
> > tell" policy, which bans people who are openly gay and lesbian from
> > serving in the armed forces, said his private defense attorney, Martin
> > Regan, on Monday.
>
> > "My client is an admitted homosexual involved in consensual homosexual
> > relationships and let's let the military deal with it in the right
> > forum, not in a court-martial," Regan said.
>
> > Four of the men had consensual sex with Taylor and lied to protect
> > their military careers, while a fifth wanted to join the Navy and
> > feared being identified as gay, Regan said.
>
> > A sixth man, who is openly gay, forced Taylor to have sex with him,
> > but later told investigators he was raped because he feared being
> > charged with rape himself, Regan said.
>
> > Military prosecutors described Taylor as a serial rapist who met men
> > in bars, spiked their drinks with the "date-rape drug" gamma-
> > hydroxybutyrate, or GHB, and kidnapped them, the AP reports.
>
> > "Being known to the world as a male rape victim is not fun. It is hard
> > for them to sit up straight. If they are concerned about their
> > military careers, why say anything?" said Military prosecutor Maj.
> > Kathleen Reder.
>
> > Taylor, a medic and the former chief of patient administration at
> > Eglin Regional Hospital, faces a maximum sentence of life in prison
> > without parole if convicted. He is charged with two counts of
> > attempted sodomy, four counts of forcible sodomy, three counts of
> > kidnapping and one count of unlawful entry.
>
> > The military jury was scheduled to begin deliberations Tuesday.
>
> This is old news Alex.
 OLD? YOU ARE ONE STUPID SCHNOOZLE!
Airman Gets 50 Years in Rape Case
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EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. (AP) - A military jury ignored an Air Force
captain's plea for leniency Wednesday, sentencing him to 50 years in
prison for raping four men and attempting to rape two others.

The sentence was delivered a day after nine Air Force officers serving
on Capt. Devery L. Taylor's court-martial jury found him guilty of all
charges against him for drugging and kidnapping servicemen and others
he met in bars. Taylor was dismissed from the Air Force and will not
be eligible for parole for 20 years.

Earlier Wednesday, the 38-year-old former hospital administrator asked
jurors to consider a sentence of 10 years. His civilian attorney,
Martin Regan, said Taylor had no criminal history and an outstanding
military record in his four years of service.

Taylor was convicted of two counts of attempted sodomy, four counts of
forcible sodomy, two counts of kidnapping and one count of unlawful
entry.

"Each of these victims met the accused only briefly, but they will
suffer the rest of their lives," said Capt. Eveylon Westbrook, a
military prosecutor.

Taylor had testified that he had consensual sex with five of the men
and that the sixth, who is openly gay, raped him. His attorney said
the men lied to protect their military careers.

"I want you to know how much I have loved being a part of the Air
Force and serving this country. It has been difficult for me to be a
part of the military and be who I am, which is a homosexual," Taylor
said in a written statement read Wednesday by a military defense
attorney assisting in the case.

Taylor said he feared he was the victim of a "gay round up" when
military investigators interviewed him in 2006 and said that is why he
did not fully answer their questions in a five-hour videotaped
interview.

Four of the men he was convicted of assaulting were in the military
when they met Taylor. A fifth wanted to join the Navy and feared being
identified as gay, Regan said.

Taylor's only crime was being gay in the military and violating the
"don't ask, don't tell" policy, which bans people who are openly gay
>from serving in the armed forces, Regan said.

Each of the six men testified during the nine-day court-martial and
said they drank with Taylor at bars, later felt drugged and were
assaulted by him. Two of the men are Air Force officers.

The victims submitted letters for the jury to consider at sentencing.
Westbrook said the letters describe how being raped has caused
depression and problems in some of their marriages and jobs.

Sheriff's deputies in August charged another man with helping Taylor
rape one of the six victims on March 23. Radoslaw Czaban, 38, of
Okaloosa Island, is awaiting trial on charges of being a principal to
sexual battery and false imprisonment.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 http://www.uruknet.info/?colonna=m&p=31032&l=e&size=1&hd=0



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On Mar 1, 1:41 am, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> No matter how you, left-fascists, for avowed fascists w depraved minds

Nobody is more depraved then you are Dan, you need to see a shrink,



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> news:1172767432.953683.306330@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 1, 1:41 am, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> >> No matter how you, left-fascists, for avowed fascists w depraved minds
>
> > Nobody is more depraved then you are Dan, you need to see a shrink,

Since the shrinks are mostly Jews you might get away without paying
for thr consultation. Try it!




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On Mar 1, 8:47 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> actually it is you, idiot w diploma that is depraved beyond hope, for all
> the reasons tha you display here daily, imbecile, amtisemitic,

Dan, are you a semite? Can you prove it?



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http://www.izvestia.ru/armia2/article3101612/



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Druze, Circassian forum: Israel should remain a Jewish state
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On Mar 1, 9:01 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
>
> The chairman of the forum of the Druze and Circassian authority heads,
> Nabiah Nasser A-Din, on Thursday criticized the "multi-cultural" Israeli
> constitution proposed by the Israeli Arab organization Adalah, saying that
> he finds it unacceptable.

SELF HATING DRUZE, I SUPPOSE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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I have been telling you all along that Jewish depraved maniacs are
bent on destroying America and the world!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 1, 11:29 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> They're not stupid - they know what will happen to them if the PLO types
> take over.
>
> Susan
 What will "happen" twat?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 1, 12:38 pm, "Iamhere"  wrote:
> On Feb 28, 10:43 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 28, 12:36 pm, "Ianotallmhere"  wrote:
>
> > >The definition of a Jew is a Gentile with a brain.
>
> > That so?
> > You are evidence to the contrary!
>
> > Mirelle
>
> It's a wonderful feeling knowing that my ancestors were priests in the
> temple of Solomon while yours were hanging off trees. And your living
> in a log cabin in the wilds of Canada proves you haven't progressed an
> inch.
>
> Iamhere
Neither the temple nor Solomon, nor Israel has ever existed. At least
there is no material evidence of any kind to this effect. And since
your poppa was probably shitted out in Warsaw, I cannot see how he
could be anything but a Pollack just like you are!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 1, 6:27 pm, "Lisa"  wrote:
> If you live near Manhattan, you might want to drop by.
>
> The Things They Left Behind: Photographs From Poland's Lost Jews

jEWS SLAUGHTERED MY FAMILY OF 40 PEOPLE AT POSAD POKROVSKOE, AND LEFT
NOT A TRACE OF THEM, I WISH THEY LEFT A PHOTOGRAPH OR TWO AT LEAST!



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On Mar 1, 9:19 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > "Dan Barkye"  wrote in message
> >news:HruFh.7842$Jl.3187@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > Not only that but the Pals HAVE to go back from where they came,
> > > for they came (at least half of them at 1948 point in time) from
> > > all the surrounding countries to find work in the new land of
> > > Israel revived and enriched beyond their wildest dreams, by the
> > > returning Jewish Nation.
>
> > You raving, barking mad, loon.
>
> > You stinky yids forced 600,000 Arabs out of the land you swiped and
> > won't permit them the right to return.
>
> > This shite about the yids making the desert bloom, is another example
> > of yid bullshit. The Arabs were successfully farming the areas for
> > centuries. So well in fact, they were exporting excess grain and
> > fruit to Europe.
>
> I have the pictures to prove the Israelis made the desert bloom, even some
> with Arabs on camels walking by.
>
>
>
> > Now fuck orf with your ridiculous yid fantasies.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

I AM SURE YOU HAVE, BIG ARSED COW!NEVERTHELESS PALESTINE BELONGS  TO
PALESTINIANS, NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU SCUM OCCUPY IT AND NO MATTER HOW
MUCH MONEY U.S. TAXPAYERS PAYS YOU TO OCCUPY IT!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 1, 11:16 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Mar 1, 1:45 am, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> > > Why don't I hear you saying for once "Darfur"? B/c it's you and
> > > your pals who do it and kill hundreds of thousands of the black
> > > animists and Christians?
>
> > Hey stupid, 90% of people killed are muslims. Christians live away to
> > the North East of Sudan.
>
> It is black people in Darfur who are getting killed by the Arab Janjaweed
> militia , aided by the Sudanese Government.
>
> The people benefiting are Israelis who are
>
> > selling arms to both side and do not want the conflict to end. People
> > like Semyon Mogilevich, Victor Bout, Marc Rich etc.
>
> ROFL........What rubbish.
>
 Not rubbish at all. Sudanese drive to Dahab where they meet Zionist
arms traders to make "deals". It is a known fact



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Les Kennedy and David Braithwaite
March 2, 2007 - 1:20PM

One of two soldiers arrested in an overnight drug sting turned up in
uniform driving an Army Land Rover for an ecstasy deal, a Sydney court
heard today.

Blake William Turner, 23, and Jayde Patrick Farrell, 26, who serve as
combat engineers attached to Special Forces units, faced court today
accused of selling ecstasy to undercover police officers.

The soldiers appeared together in court, sitting rigid and silent with
flushed faces, staring straight ahead during their brief appearance.

Police allege they found $44,585 in cash during an overnight search of
one of the men's garages, and that both soldiers had steroids in their
homes.

The men have the rank of sapper, or private, and are combat engineers
in the Incident Response Regiment, which is based at Holsworthy and
attached to Special Forces, their commander revealed today.

Turner, 23, allegedly had 500 ecstasy tablets when he went to make a
deal in Heathcoate Road, Moorebank at 8pm last night, the police
account presented to Magistrate Mark Shepherd said.

The soldier, who lived in a unit nearby, is alleged to have sold 800
pills of the illegal drug in a series of deals to undercover
detectives between February 1 and last night.

Police allege the drug sales were conducted by Turner with his
comrade, Farrell, of Holsworthy.

Farrell was arrested when he arrived at home at 9.20pm last night.

The pair were taken to Liverpool Police Station and charged with a
range of drug offences, including commercial supply.

Farrell faced the court charged with seven counts, ranging from
possessing a prohibited drug to supplying a prohibited drug,
possession of a restricted substance and goods in custody.

Turner faced 15 charges including possessing a prohibited drug,
supplying a prohibited drug, goods in custody, and possession of a
restricted substance.

Neither man applied for bail - their legal representatives told the
court they sought an adjournment to March 9 when they would seek bail.

Mr Shepherd granted the adjournment and formally remanded the men in
custody to reappear before Liverpool Local Court on March 9.

The pair had previously been tested under the Army's random drug
testing policy and had not returned a positive result, Special Forces
commander Major General Michael Hindmarsh said this morning.

He said 10 per cent of soldiers in every unit were randomly tested for
drugs each year.

"We have a zero tolerance policy towards the use and indeed the
trafficking of drugs," he said.

"If these chaps are found to be guilty then they will be removed from
the defence force.

"We are very confident that the bulk of our defence force, including
most people at Holsworthy, are absolutely professional soldiers and
don't get involved in this sort of thing."

The arrests followed a three-month investigation by a new police
"flying squad" known as the Region Enforcement Squad, Deputy
Commissioner Andrew Scipione said.

"This investigation is the first conducted by one of the newly formed
Region Enforcement Squads which were established to proactively target
street and mid-level crime particularly drugs and firearms," he said.

The Region Enforcement Squads were formed late last year, with two
squads of 20 to 25 officers per police region targeting drugs,
firearms and property crimes.

Police said investigations into the matter were continuing, including
further  inquiries about possible drug dealing at Holsworthy.

smh.com.au



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 2, 1:21 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 1, 9:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 12:38 pm, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 28, 10:43 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 28, 12:36 pm, "Ianotallmhere"  wrote:
>
> > > > >The definition of a Jew is a Gentile with a brain.
>
> > > > That so?
> > > > You are evidence to the contrary!
>
> > > > Mirelle
>
> > > It's a wonderful feeling knowing that my ancestors were priests in the
> > > temple of Solomon while yours were hanging off trees. And your living
> > > in a log cabin in the wilds of Canada proves you haven't progressed an
> > > inch.
>
> > > Iamhere
>
> > Neither the temple nor Solomon, nor Israel has ever existed. At least
> > there is no material evidence of any kind to this effect. And since
> > your poppa was probably shitted out in Warsaw, I cannot see how he
> > could be anything but a Pollack just like you are!
>
>    Nazis like you always deny history.
>
>  Michael

NOBODY IS A BIGGER NAZI THAN THE ZIONISTS ARE. AND YOU MICHAEL ARE A
NAZI ALL THE WAY! YOU SUPPORT TORTURE, YOU SUPPORT IMPRISONMENT OF
MANY THOUSAND OF PALESTINIANS IN THE GULAGS, AND YOU SUPPORT THE
HATEFUL APARTHEID STATE WHICH WILL NOT SURVIVE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.



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On Mar 2, 1:47 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1172807776.027921.311210@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 1, 8:47 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> >> actually it is you, idiot w diploma that is depraved beyond hope, for all
> >> the reasons tha you display here daily, imbecile, amtisemitic,
>
> > Dan, are you a semite? Can you prove it?
>
> Can you prove it you're not semitic?

Idiot! Nobody can prove a negative!



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On Mar 2, 2:09 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1172807776.027921.311210@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 1, 8:47 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> >> actually it is you, idiot w diploma that is depraved beyond hope, for all
> >> the reasons tha you display here daily, imbecile, amtisemitic,
>
> > Dan, are you a semite? Can you prove it?
>
> -- My great-grandpa was a rabbi and I'm a Cohen, which is a high-priest

And how many Tatars have fucked your granny?

> title that goes from father to son and one which science proved to be found
> in the hereditary genes of the Jewish nation groups (b/c of this father to
> son transmission of the job).

Suck on it Dan! Nazis tried to prove their Aryan heritage just like
you are trying to prove that you are a semite. No dice!
>
> Not that I claim it, far from me, but according to tradition, the Cohanim
> ('cohen' in plural) are the nobility of the nation.

Stuff your "nobility" up your arse. I am sure it will fit!
>
> Dan
>
> --
> "Dieu et mon Droit"




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Jews Did WTC: Proof that Jews Did WTC.
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On Mar 2, 5:07 pm, "Ilan Ramon lost kike in space"
 wrote:
> Jews Did WTC: Proof that Jews Did WTC.
>
> The Israeli Spy Ring
> "Israel does not spy on the United States of America." -- Mark Regev,
> a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington Prior to 9/11, the
> FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the
> United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh
> gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from
> the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year. Over the years, American
> taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what
> the US spent to go to the moon.
>
> What Israel has done in return was to set up government subsidized
> telecommunications companies which operate here in the United States.
> One of these companies is Amdocs, which provides billing and directory
> assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs' main
> computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those
> with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis";
> a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are
> calling and when. Another Israeli telecom company is Comverse Infosys,
> which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment
> now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its
> own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it
> is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as
> the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone
> calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not
> only espionage, but drug running as well. Yet another Israeli telecom
> company is Odigo, which provides the core message passing system for
> all the "Instant Message" services. Two hours before the attacks on
> the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has
> an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade
> Towers.http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_warnings_odigo.html
>
> "I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the
> terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was
> part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government... It will become
> public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's
> 20 or 30 years from now."
>
> -- Senator Graham as quoted in Senator: At Least One Foreign Country
> Assisted the 9/11 Terroristshttp://www.thememoryhole.org/911/911-graham-admits.htm
>
> Let us be clear here. There is nothing benign about Israel spying on
> the United States. When Jonathan Pollard stole our nuclear secrets
> (which your taxes paid to develop) and sent them to Israel, Israel did
> not hesitate to trade those secrets to the USSR in exchange for
> increased emigration quotas.
>
> The implication of these facts is that the billions of our tax dollars
> sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America's alleys and
> eat out of trash bins) have bought and paid for a monstrous phone
> tracking and phone tapping system that can eavesdrop on almost any
> phone call in America. Even the White House phones were open to such
> tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House
> itself.
>
> This actually happened. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes
> how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex
> conversations had been recorded. At the same time, Clinton ordered the
> FBI to cease the hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating inside
> the White House itself!
>
> So here we have a foreign nation able to listen in on most phones at
> will, using taps that cannot be found because they are built into the
> phone system itself, and willing to use the information gleaned from
> those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action.
> This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the
> Jewish people control America.http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html
>
> That the information gleaned from these phone taps is being used to
> coerce the behavior of key individuals in the US Government and media
> is illustrated by the manner in which the government and the media
> have handled this scandal of the largest spy ring ever uncovered
> inside the United States, and of phone taps on all of our phones. They
> are downplaying it. Actually, burying it is a better word.
>
> Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four
> part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html
>
> Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web
> site and have never mentioned it again. CNN followed by "Orwellizing"http://www11.cnn.com/2001/US/09/28/inv.message.warning/index.html
> their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent
> to Odigo employees. But far more telling is the admission made by a US
> Official in part one of the Fox News report that hard evidence existed
> linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the
> more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but
> that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED.
>
> "Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that
> to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career
> suicide."
>
> -- Carl Cameron, as quoted in The Spies Who Came In From The Art Salehttp://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A8250
>
> Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone
> tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate"
> and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try
> to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which
> owns the spy ring in question.
>
> The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered
> inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed
> the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American
> people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators
> should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for
> the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes
> companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including
> the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is
> looking out for the best interests of the American people.
>
> But they are not. The media is trying to bury this story. They are
> spiking it, erasing it from their web sites in a chilling real-life
> Orwellian rewriting of history.
>
> The actions of the US media are those of people trying to protect this
> spy ring and those that the spy ring worked for.
>
> "While I agree with you, if I say anything about US geopolitical
> interests with Israel, I might as well clean off my desk."
>
> -- Unnamed reporter as quoted in American Media Censorship and Israelhttp://www.ccmep.org/ccmep/american031902.html
>
> The actions of the US media are those of traitors to the American
> people.
>
> http://www.jewsdidwtc.com/proof.php?evidence=spyring

There is no doubt that the Zionists have organized and executed 911.
The crime has never been investigated by the experts, no engineers
have analyzed the steel and how it "melted". No pilots have assembled
their own experts to examine the evidence of the fight. Nobody has
questioned the seven accused "hijackers" who are alive and well. And
most of all nobody has examined the fact that Jews benefitted
financially from 911!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 That figures! Jews sell them guns to kill each other and they also
have to have distribution points close to the action



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From: "Venceremos" 
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>
> NEWS FLASH : They aren't Jewish ....LOL
>
> There is nothing in the article about raping and pillaging you dork.

YEAH SURE! ABEER HAMZA WAS RAPED AND MURDERED BY THE MARTIANS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 3, 6:57 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > March 1, 2007
>
> LITTLE SHITHEAD GOES TO WAR
>
> Just like your sons Alex!!!!
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

My sons would not lift a finger to help a fucking Jew or his war!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: PURE EVIL, SNAKES AND SCORPIONS
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On Mar 3, 1:54 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> > Not at all. The yids have an interest in seeing the conflict in Darfur
> > continue indefinitely.
>
> What rubbish. The Sudanese Government and Arabs have an interest in keeping
> it going. They want to get rid of the blacks in Darfour

And the Jews would give their right ball to get rid of the rightful
owners of Palestine



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On Mar 3, 8:41 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > > NEWS FLASH : They aren't Jewish ....LOL
>
> > > There is nothing in the article about raping and pillaging you dork.
>
> > YEAH SURE! ABEER HAMZA WAS RAPED AND MURDERED BY THE MARTIANS
>
> Do yopu have any evidence the Australian Armed Forces murdered the man.
> Who is he? Abu Hamza is currently in a British prison.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Have you any evidence that Ferman troops murdered anybody?
Abu Hamza is one person Abeer Hamza is another
14 year old Abeer Hamza was raped by four American soldiers, as her
family and siblings were forced to hear her screams in the next room.
They also were murdered afterwards, by the same soldiers.
Australian soldiers are no different than the Americans, I served with
both the Australian regiment and RAAF.

So far as Abu Hamza is concerned, it is an open hunt on all muslims,
guilty or not guilt y and it is no different than the hunt for Jews in
1940's.



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> Really? THen why are so many American Blacks, like Oprah Winfrey, so
> suddenly interested in where their ancestors were taken from in
> Africa? THe search for national roots is as natural as the search for
> biological parents.

IT IS ONE THING TO "SEARCH FOR ONE'S ROOTS" AND ANOTHER TO KICK THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE OUT.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 3, 10:47 am, "Iamhere"  wrote:
> On Mar 2, 5:16 pm, "Theodore Herzl"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 2, 7:23 am, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 2, 12:44 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > Neither the temple nor Solomon, nor Israel has ever existed. At least
> > > > there is no material evidence of any kind to this effect. And since
> > > > your poppa was probably shitted out in Warsaw, I cannot see how he
> > > > could be anything but a Pollack just like you are!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Aren't you that anti-Semitic piece of shit, Alex Seredin, who owns
> > > the  shop Peter Pan Gifts, 1731 N Federal Hwy, Delray Beach FL 33483
> > > Phone: 561-276-6568? If so, I was waiting for YOU!
>
> > > The same schumck who lives, with his camel riding Arab wife, Mona
> > > Wadoud,at 2107 13th Street Southwest ,Delray Beach, Florida 33445?
>
> > > The same guy who has such an evil reputation among decent persons on
> > > USENET? The same guy who comes up as a Florida Hitler when GOOGLED? On
> > > it we find 2,290 references to your revolting Jew-hating life.
>
> > > Do me a favor...go stick one of your gift seashells up your ass until
> > > it comes out your ear and may the sales be plentiful after you sell
> > > your place and then conveniently drop dead.
>
> > > Iamhere
>
> > Considering that you are a racist ZioNazi piece of garbage whose sick
> > Jewish cult is currently using South African inspired apartheid and
> > Nazi inspired ethnic cleansing against millions of innocent civilians
> > in order to steal their land because you believe some sky daddy gave
> > to you, you are as vile a racist and the world has ever seen.    I
> > posted a video below that clearly shows an example of Jewish
> > culture,genius, creativity, intellectualism and philanthropy.
>
> > >From the video one can see clearly why Jesus called the Jews the Sons
>
> > of Snakes and Scorpions.
>
> > "we killed Jesus and we're proud of it"http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f
>
> > The more one learns of the Jewish cult, the more one becomes aware of
> > why Jews have been despised and hated throughout history by every
> > civilization on earth, and racist Jew trash like Lamehere is just one
> > more reason that trend will continue.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh hell, that video is "old hat." It was traced to a studio in
> Ramallah in the West Bank. All actors are Palestinian and it's just
> one more example of the kind of anti-Semitic propaganda

YOU STILL CLAIM THAT THE FUCKING KIKES ARE SEMITES! WHAT AN UNEDUCATED
IDIOT



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On Mar 2, 10:23 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 2, 4:45 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 2, 1:21 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 1, 9:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 1, 12:38 pm, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 28, 10:43 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 28, 12:36 pm, "Ianotallmhere"  wrote:
>
> > > > > > >The definition of a Jew is a Gentile with a brain.
>
> > > > > > That so?
> > > > > > You are evidence to the contrary!
>
> > > > > > Mirelle
>
> > > > > It's a wonderful feeling knowing that my ancestors were priests in the
> > > > > temple of Solomon while yours were hanging off trees. And your living
> > > > > in a log cabin in the wilds of Canada proves you haven't progressed an
> > > > > inch.
>
> > > > > Iamhere
>
> > > > Neither the temple nor Solomon, nor Israel has ever existed. At least
> > > > there is no material evidence of any kind to this effect. And since
> > > > your poppa was probably shitted out in Warsaw, I cannot see how he
> > > > could be anything but a Pollack just like you are!
>
> > >    Nazis like you always deny history.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > NOBODY IS A BIGGER NAZI THAN THE ZIONISTS ARE. AND YOU MICHAEL ARE A
> > NAZI ALL THE WAY! YOU SUPPORT TORTURE, YOU SUPPORT IMPRISONMENT OF
> > MANY THOUSAND OF PALESTINIANS IN THE GULAGS, AND YOU SUPPORT THE
> > HATEFUL APARTHEID STATE WHICH WILL NOT SURVIVE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
>
>    Whose torture do I support?
>
>    Those Palestinians are free to return to Jordan or Egypt.
>
>  Michael

What you are saying is a lie. 99% of Palestinians can trace their
ancestry to Palestine for many centuries.



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On Mar 3, 6:22 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Have you any evidence that Ferman troops murdered anybody?
> > Abu Hamza is one person Abeer Hamza is another
> > 14 year old Abeer Hamza was raped by four American soldiers, as her
> > family and siblings were forced to hear her screams in the next room.
> > They also were murdered afterwards, by the same soldiers.
> > Australian soldiers are no different than the Americans, I served with
> > both the Australian regiment and RAAF.
>
> Yes, that was a disgusting abomination and the perpetrators deserve very
> long sentences in jail.
>
>
>
> > So far as Abu Hamza is concerned, it is an open hunt on all muslims,
> > guilty or not guilt y and it is no different than the hunt for Jews in
> > 1940's.
>
> Bulllshit Alex, he was recruiting and encouraging young Islamic  men to
> extremist grpoups. I have read the evidence.
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Isn't that what Jews are doing every day? Recruiting killers to join
the Zionist army, which just in 2006 has murdered almost 1,000
Palestinioan children?

All Abu Hamza is doing exercising same "rights" that the Jews claim



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On Mar 3, 10:19 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Saturday, March 03, 2007
>
>  Iranian Muslim converts to Judaism
>
> JERUSALEM: An Iranian Muslim flight attendant who hijacked an Iranian
> airliner and flew it to Israel 12 years ago has converted to Judaism, an
> Israeli newspaper reported on Friday.
>
> "Despite the difficulties I have faced obtaining Israeli citizenship, you
> have warmly welcomed me," Reza Jabari was quoted as telling the Maariv
> daily. "Morally I feel indebted towards you. For this reason I decided to
> convert."
>
> On September 19, 1995, Jabari, who was a flight attendant for Iranian
> carrier Kish Air, hijacked a flight between Tehran and the Iranian resort
> island of Kish. He diverted the airplane and its 174 passengers to Israel,
> where he told authorities he had hijacked the plane because he was desperate
> to flee Iran and never had any intention of harming the passengers or crew.
> afp
>
> http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/03/03/story_3-3-20...
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Israel has always supported criminals of all kinds, as well as the
hijackers



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On Feb 25, 10:28 am, "zr"  wrote:
> Yeah, we have decided to shoot the bastards on the spot. To hell with
> sensitivity.
>
 GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY, YOU FUCKING JEW PIG!







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GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!

stj911@rock.com wrote:
> Canada anti-terror law is struck down
> >From the Associated Press
> February 24, 2007
>
> OTTAWA - Canada's Supreme Court on Friday unanimously declared it
> unconstitutional to detain foreign terrorism suspects indefinitely
> while the courts review their deportation orders.
>
> Five Arab Muslim men have been held for years under the "security
> certificate" program, which the Justice Department has said is a key
> tool in the fight against global terrorism and essential to Canada's
> security.
>
> The court found that the system violated the Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms, Canada's bill of rights. However, it suspended its ruling
> for a year to give Parliament time to rewrite the part of the
> Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that covers the certificate
> process.
>
> The security certificates were challenged by three men from Morocco,
> Syria and Algeria - all alleged by the Canadian Security Intelligence
> Service to have ties to terrorist networks.
>
> The men have spent years in jail while fighting deportation orders.
>
> They risk being labeled terrorists and sent back to their native
> countries, where they say they could face torture.
>
> The court said the treatment of the suspects was a violation of their
> rights.
>
> "The overarching principle of fundamental justice that applies here is
> this: Before the state can detain people for significant periods of
> time, it must accord them a fair judicial process," Chief Justice
> Beverley McLachlin wrote in a ruling for all nine justices.
>
> "The secrecy required by the scheme denies the person named in a
> certificate the opportunity to know the case put against him or her,
> and hence to challenge the government's case," she said.
>
> The challenged law allows sensitive intelligence to be heard behind
> closed doors by a federal judge, with only sketchy summaries given to
> defense attorneys.
>
> The court said the men and their lawyers should have a right to
> respond to the evidence used against them by intelligence agents.
>
> Stockwell Day, the minister of public safety, noted that because the
> ruling does not take effect for a year, the certificates would remain
> in place. He said the government would address the court's ruling "in
> a timely and decisive fashion."
>
> Two of the men are out on bail and remain under house arrest. Three
> others are being held in a federal facility in Ontario.









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On Feb 25, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!
>
>    Do you like what they did to Ernst Zundel?
>
>  Michael

NO, OF  COURSE NOT! But that is being corrected as we speak







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GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!

stj911@rock.com wrote:
> Canada anti-terror law is struck down
> >From the Associated Press
> February 24, 2007
>
> OTTAWA - Canada's Supreme Court on Friday unanimously declared it
> unconstitutional to detain foreign terrorism suspects indefinitely
> while the courts review their deportation orders.
>
> Five Arab Muslim men have been held for years under the "security
> certificate" program, which the Justice Department has said is a key
> tool in the fight against global terrorism and essential to Canada's
> security.
>
> The court found that the system violated the Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms, Canada's bill of rights. However, it suspended its ruling
> for a year to give Parliament time to rewrite the part of the
> Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that covers the certificate
> process.
>
> The security certificates were challenged by three men from Morocco,
> Syria and Algeria - all alleged by the Canadian Security Intelligence
> Service to have ties to terrorist networks.
>
> The men have spent years in jail while fighting deportation orders.
>
> They risk being labeled terrorists and sent back to their native
> countries, where they say they could face torture.
>
> The court said the treatment of the suspects was a violation of their
> rights.
>
> "The overarching principle of fundamental justice that applies here is
> this: Before the state can detain people for significant periods of
> time, it must accord them a fair judicial process," Chief Justice
> Beverley McLachlin wrote in a ruling for all nine justices.
>
> "The secrecy required by the scheme denies the person named in a
> certificate the opportunity to know the case put against him or her,
> and hence to challenge the government's case," she said.
>
> The challenged law allows sensitive intelligence to be heard behind
> closed doors by a federal judge, with only sketchy summaries given to
> defense attorneys.
>
> The court said the men and their lawyers should have a right to
> respond to the evidence used against them by intelligence agents.
>
> Stockwell Day, the minister of public safety, noted that because the
> ruling does not take effect for a year, the certificates would remain
> in place. He said the government would address the court's ruling "in
> a timely and decisive fashion."
>
> Two of the men are out on bail and remain under house arrest. Three
> others are being held in a federal facility in Ontario.










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On Feb 25, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!
>
>    Do you like what they did to Ernst Zundel?
>
>  Michael

NO, OF  COURSE NOT! But that is being corrected as we speak








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On Feb 25, 10:28 am, "zr"  wrote:
> Yeah, we have decided to shoot the bastards on the spot. To hell with
> sensitivity.
>
 GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY, YOU FUCKING JEW PIG!








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On Feb 25, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!
>
>    Do you like what they did to Ernst Zundel?
>
>  Michael

NO, OF  COURSE NOT! But that is being corrected as we speak









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> sensitivity.
>
 GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY, YOU FUCKING JEW PIG!









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GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!

stj911@rock.com wrote:
> Canada anti-terror law is struck down
> >From the Associated Press
> February 24, 2007
>
> OTTAWA - Canada's Supreme Court on Friday unanimously declared it
> unconstitutional to detain foreign terrorism suspects indefinitely
> while the courts review their deportation orders.
>
> Five Arab Muslim men have been held for years under the "security
> certificate" program, which the Justice Department has said is a key
> tool in the fight against global terrorism and essential to Canada's
> security.
>
> The court found that the system violated the Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms, Canada's bill of rights. However, it suspended its ruling
> for a year to give Parliament time to rewrite the part of the
> Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that covers the certificate
> process.
>
> The security certificates were challenged by three men from Morocco,
> Syria and Algeria - all alleged by the Canadian Security Intelligence
> Service to have ties to terrorist networks.
>
> The men have spent years in jail while fighting deportation orders.
>
> They risk being labeled terrorists and sent back to their native
> countries, where they say they could face torture.
>
> The court said the treatment of the suspects was a violation of their
> rights.
>
> "The overarching principle of fundamental justice that applies here is
> this: Before the state can detain people for significant periods of
> time, it must accord them a fair judicial process," Chief Justice
> Beverley McLachlin wrote in a ruling for all nine justices.
>
> "The secrecy required by the scheme denies the person named in a
> certificate the opportunity to know the case put against him or her,
> and hence to challenge the government's case," she said.
>
> The challenged law allows sensitive intelligence to be heard behind
> closed doors by a federal judge, with only sketchy summaries given to
> defense attorneys.
>
> The court said the men and their lawyers should have a right to
> respond to the evidence used against them by intelligence agents.
>
> Stockwell Day, the minister of public safety, noted that because the
> ruling does not take effect for a year, the certificates would remain
> in place. He said the government would address the court's ruling "in
> a timely and decisive fashion."
>
> Two of the men are out on bail and remain under house arrest. Three
> others are being held in a federal facility in Ontario.











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GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!

stj911@rock.com wrote:
> Canada anti-terror law is struck down
> >From the Associated Press
> February 24, 2007
>
> OTTAWA - Canada's Supreme Court on Friday unanimously declared it
> unconstitutional to detain foreign terrorism suspects indefinitely
> while the courts review their deportation orders.
>
> Five Arab Muslim men have been held for years under the "security
> certificate" program, which the Justice Department has said is a key
> tool in the fight against global terrorism and essential to Canada's
> security.
>
> The court found that the system violated the Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms, Canada's bill of rights. However, it suspended its ruling
> for a year to give Parliament time to rewrite the part of the
> Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that covers the certificate
> process.
>
> The security certificates were challenged by three men from Morocco,
> Syria and Algeria - all alleged by the Canadian Security Intelligence
> Service to have ties to terrorist networks.
>
> The men have spent years in jail while fighting deportation orders.
>
> They risk being labeled terrorists and sent back to their native
> countries, where they say they could face torture.
>
> The court said the treatment of the suspects was a violation of their
> rights.
>
> "The overarching principle of fundamental justice that applies here is
> this: Before the state can detain people for significant periods of
> time, it must accord them a fair judicial process," Chief Justice
> Beverley McLachlin wrote in a ruling for all nine justices.
>
> "The secrecy required by the scheme denies the person named in a
> certificate the opportunity to know the case put against him or her,
> and hence to challenge the government's case," she said.
>
> The challenged law allows sensitive intelligence to be heard behind
> closed doors by a federal judge, with only sketchy summaries given to
> defense attorneys.
>
> The court said the men and their lawyers should have a right to
> respond to the evidence used against them by intelligence agents.
>
> Stockwell Day, the minister of public safety, noted that because the
> ruling does not take effect for a year, the certificates would remain
> in place. He said the government would address the court's ruling "in
> a timely and decisive fashion."
>
> Two of the men are out on bail and remain under house arrest. Three
> others are being held in a federal facility in Ontario.












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On Feb 25, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!
>
>    Do you like what they did to Ernst Zundel?
>
>  Michael

NO, OF  COURSE NOT! But that is being corrected as we speak










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On Feb 25, 10:28 am, "zr"  wrote:
> Yeah, we have decided to shoot the bastards on the spot. To hell with
> sensitivity.
>
 GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY, YOU FUCKING JEW PIG!










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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 4, 5:44 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> You would be amazed at the number of skinheads who have become Jews or end
> up working with BB & ADL.
> Once they come to the realization of just how sick these other white racists
> are, and the fact that there future is zero.
>
> "Tilly"  wrote in messagenews:esfdad$4ct$1@aioe.org...
> > flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> >> And the world just keep getting whackier...
>
> >> Susan
>
> > It was wackier when the former KKK member converted to Juadism!
>
> > --
> > Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

SUUUURE! AS JEWS THEY DO HAVE A FUTURE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - part xii
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On Mar 4, 3:27 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> If you are so concerned with peace, change Arab/Islamic cult murder policy.
> Put an end to racist teachings and infidel killing as an idealistic rite of
> Allah.
> Dump the school books being used in Muslim countries that teach children
> that all non-Muslims are the spawn of the devil and pigs.

No such books exist, nor are the muslim children taught to hate
anyone, however the yeshiva schools train kids to beat up on muslim
kids and women!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 4, 1:14 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> "Cazador"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173029631.225647.243220@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 11:13 am, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> >> "jgarbuz"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1172949137.481433.166820@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Mar 3, 10:27 am, "Cazador"  wrote:
> >> >> On Mar 3, 12:00 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Mar 3, 9:25 am, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Today, my beloved Jewish brothers and all good willing people, I
> >> >> > > present toyou the chapters of "MESSIANISM - MYSTICAL AND SECULAR"
> >> >> > > in
> >> >> > > the continuing
> >> >> > > narration of the saga of The Jewish Nation commitment to its
> >> >> > > ancestral land.
>
> >> >> > > Please pay attention in particular to the recognition of this
> >> >> > > connection of ours to our ancestral land by so many among the
> >> >> > > gentiles, notable personae, politicians, nobility, etc.., and also
> >> >> > > among our brethren, the Jewry of all  parts and quarters.
>
> >> >> > The significance of "gentile recognition" of a "connection" to the
> >> >> > Middle East would seem a bit tenuous when used as justification for
> >> >> > ethnic cleansing of other peoples whose connection is just as old
> >> >> > and<<
>
> >> > No such justification was ever used, nor did any such ethnic cleansing
> >> > ever occur between 1917 (Balfour Declaration) until after November
> >> > 1947 when the Partition of Palestine was voted on the UN General
> >> > Assembly, and the Arabs chose to reject it and go to war to destroy
> >> > the newly authorized Jewish state. It was only the Arab war on the
> >> > JEws that caused the "ethnic cleansing" (as  you call it) to occur.
> >> > Not much different than what happened between India and Pakistan in
> >> > 1947. There was a population exchange caused by the war.
>
> >> >> > far more immediate.
>
> >> >> > > More than that, religious Jews were eager to go to Israel not b/c
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > Bible promise, but b/c this very connection, the indestructible
> >> >> > > connection between  us and our land of old.
>
> >> >> > > Enjoy!
>
> >> >> > With logic like this it will be difficult. <<
>
> >> > I agree that it is a STUPID explanation, but then he isn't the
> >> > brightest of Jews.
>
> >> -- Garbuz, I think that you throw the baby w the water.
>
> >> How else can you explain the eternal yearnings that are described in this
> >> tract and in all of the Zionist annals, as well as in the Bible
> >> renderings
> >> of the people yearnings when in exile, weatehr in Babel or elsewhere?
> >> Wouldn't this be best defined as "indestructible connection' b/c of its
> >> eternal nature as displayed by us all thru the ages?
>
> >> When you vow daily not to forget it, isn't it indestructible and
> >> undeniable?
>
> >> So, this is not "stupid" and its proponent is really among the wisest of
> >> Jews.
> >> As were all the Zionists that made this 'unstupid' argument.
>
> >> One may object to its practicality, but then no revolution was based on
> >> practicality. Its own internal fire provided the energy for its
> >> implementation.
>
> >> Dan
>
> > Okay, okay, internal fire. I thought it was persecution from the
> > outside
>
> -- You're right! This persecution was, and still is, to our and yours, I
> believe, as humanists, great dismay, the reason for the Zionist Movement.
>
> but use your own imagery. I just want to do rational analysis
>
> > capable of illuminating policy.
>
> > You need to get things out on the table. Let me ask you the truly
> > operative question: Presuming for the sake of the argument that
> > everything said by you and your author is objectively correct. Where
> > does it lead you in terms of concrete policy in Palestine?
>
> > I read you as implicitly believing that all of Palestine should be
> > exclusively Israeli.
>
> > If that's true, why not just say it out loud? Then we can judge your
> > policy by placing it side by side with your argument. Don't be coy.
> > Tell us what conclusion you wish us to draw.
> > But don't forget to deal with both Israeli and American policies. The
> > interests are not identical.
>
> -- Yes, I do fervently believe with all my heart and mind that the land of
> Israel in its entirety belongs to the Jewish Nation.
>
> Thai said, I, as many other countries (Hungary, frex, that renounced, for
> the time being, at least, its dream for the Greater Hungary) having the same
> territorial aspirations, must come to terms w reality.
>
> In so doing, we agree to share, under our own terms, which are not so bad,
> you must agree, the land w its Arab inhabitants.
>
> Yet again, that said, I do not see a commited and determined partner for
> this goal. The Arabs proved themselves as incapable to follow a beaten path
> for their own benefit, if not for a common goal.

Maybe that is because Arabs prefer to beat their own path in their own
land!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.israel
Subject: YOU ARE ONE CRAZY STUPID DUDE MC VAY, AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU BLABBER ABOUT
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 To us who have lived through the period ZioNazi stories are both
sublime and ridiculous. Mainly Because they make themselves into the
"suffering soccotashes", whe were selected to get the brunt of the
Nazi occupation. It simply is not true. Nazis emptied Hungary of Jews
in mid 1944, just three months before General Tolbukhin's First
Ukrainian Front marched into Budapest, mainly because most of the Jews
worked in the war industries such as Messerschmidt factories in Gyor,
and these were relocated into Germany.
And it was not only Jews many Hungarians, as well as other
nationalities including Organizazion Todt workers from Holland and
France many of whom worked in Hungary, were also relocated into
germany where they were needed.
(BTW, almost all the Messerschmidts that were left in Gyor were
eventually flown to Palestine for the Israelis, via Podgorica, on
orders of Marshal Tito)
We were all victims of Nazism, none less or more than the Jews were,
this also includes Germans, many of whom joined either Tito or
Garibaldi brigade to fight Nazis.
I have problem accepting the Jewish version of the Holocaust that is
all.



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On Mar 5, 1:23 am, "zr"  wrote:
> All present day Palestine is Israeli territory.

TELL ME ABOUT IT! THAT IS WHAT ADOLF HITLER USED TO SAY ABOUT
YUGOSLAVIA, 250,000 OF THE NAZIS LEFT THEIR BONES IN YUGOSLAVIA,
THOPUGH



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On Mar 4, 9:54 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> "zr"  wrote in message
>
> news:CqKGh.476$Zj.286@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> > How can you read anything when debate is expunged by Muslims who won't
> > even let a post exist.
>
> -- I heard about it. Well, fascism is an understatement for what they think
> and do. It's beyond that, it's fanaticism at its utmost, unabashed,
> uncurtailed, shamelessly.
> Did it happen here?

THE ONLY FANATICISM IS PRACTISED BY THE JEWISH EXTREMISTS SUCH AS
YOURSELF, DAN! IF THERE WAS FANATICISM AMONGST THE MUSLIMS, IRANIANS
WOULD HAVE KILLED THE 25,000 JEWS WHO LIVE IN MOROCCO, EGYPTIANS WOULD
HAVE KILLED ABOUT 2,000 JEWS WHO LIVE IN EGYPT, AND TUNISIA WOULD HAVE
KILLED THEIR JEWS. nO, MUSLIMS DO NOT TAKE TO FANATICISM. GO AND VISIT
A MOSQUE ONCE A WHILE AND LISTEN!



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On Mar 4, 7:55 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> Garbuz, it seems that I misunderstood you in my previous post to this one of
> yours. Pls, tell me how.
> I mean why 'stupid' and why the author may not be the most intelligent of
> Jews.
THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS AN GENUINLY INTELLIGENT JEWISH ZIONAZI!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 5, 12:42 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173072485.332503.42020@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>
> > To us who have lived through the period
>
> You were a Nazi, Alex... That is the truth.... Here are some Serbian stamps
> that you should be very familiar with.http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p214/DoDsbucket/stamps.gif

SUUURE! TYHAT DOES PROVE THAT I AM A NAZI! YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT



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Subject: Re: A Comparison
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On Mar 4, 8:19 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> When Britain and the rest of Europe were attacked by the Nazis, US came to
> the rescue, and not w/o a sigh of relief from its partners in Europe,
> understandably. This happened three times in the 20th cent..
> If not for the US, Europe and Britain would have been a German nazi colony,
> enslaved to the nazi ideology and activity.

You are far more stupid than I thought possible, Dan! When "Allies"
landed in Normandy, Russian troops were knocking on Berlin's door.
General Tolbukhin had freed almost all of Eastern Europe, Marshall
Tito had assembled the First Yugoslav parliament in Drvar, and
Generals Timoshenko and Zhukov had freed Poland and Prusia.

No, Dan the truth is that the "Allies" were waiting in the wings to
see who would win the war before they joined the party! To say nothing
about the George Bush's granpeppy Prescott Bush bankroling the oil
delivers to Adolf Hitler!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.history,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - part xi
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On Mar 5, 12:27 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> ,,,,and it looked good on them.
> The Serbs of Yugoslavia fought the nazi's, the Muslim Croats welcomed them
> with open arms.

YOU KNOW SHIT ALL! WHO DO YOU THINK MARSHALL TITO WAS?
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173103918.916002.109280@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 5, 1:23 am, "zr"  wrote:
> >> All present day Palestine is Israeli territory.
>
> > TELL ME ABOUT IT! THAT IS WHAT ADOLF HITLER USED TO SAY ABOUT
> > YUGOSLAVIA, 250,000 OF THE NAZIS LEFT THEIR BONES IN YUGOSLAVIA,
> > THOPUGH




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - part xi
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On Mar 5, 12:44 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> There were two Muslim Bosnian Waffen SS brigades in the WWII recruited by
> the Mufti of Jerusalem,

I told you before that you are an idiot. Now I am telling you that you
are liar as well!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: YOU ARE ONE CRAZY STUPID DUDE MC VAY, AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU BLABBER ABOUT
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On Mar 5, 3:33 pm, "Ariadne"  wrote:
> On 5 Mar, 19:06, "Ariadne"  wrote:
>
> > On 5 Mar, 05:42, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:1173072485.332503.42020@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > To us who have lived through the period
>
> > > You were a Nazi, Alex... That is the truth.... Here are some Serbian stamps
> > > that you should be very familiar with.http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p214/DoDsbucket/stamps.gif
>
> > They are shocking.  Where is this recorded, DoD?
>
> I see the jihadist antisemites are out for the night.

NEXT THING YOU WILL BE CLAIMING THAT YOU ARE A SEMITE, FUCKING WHORE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: YOU ARE ONE CRAZY STUPID DUDE MC VAY, AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU BLABBER ABOUT
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 Except for the fact that Pavelic was a Croatian Nazi, Croatia was a
part of the Nazi Axis. Croatian troops fought on the Eastern front
against Russians, in fact the winner of two Iron Crosses  for shooting
down 32 Russian aircraft was a Crotian Ustasha like you !



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.history,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - part xii
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On Mar 5, 1:19 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On  5-Mar-2007, "zr"  wrote:
>
> > Tell it to the UN.
>
> Yeah, they've been known for buying Islamonazi lies about Jews for years.
>
>
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1173057440.074811.217730@i80g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Mar 4, 3:27 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> > >> If you are so concerned with peace, change Arab/Islamic cult murder
> > >> policy.
> > >> Put an end to racist teachings and infidel killing as an idealistic
> > >> rite
> > >> of
> > >> Allah.
> > >> Dump the school books being used in Muslim countries that teach
> > >> children
> > >> that all non-Muslims are the spawn of the devil and pigs.
>
> > > No such books exist
>
> Except for the open admission by English Muslims that they do.
>
Ever visited an Islamic school? I bet not!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.history,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - part xii
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 Jewish converts to Islam:
http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_external.php?article=107455&list=/index.php&



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On Mar 6, 1:33 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173146969.294093.226710@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Except for the fact that Pavelic was a Croatian Nazi,
>
> Pavelic was worse than any Nazi.... I will agree with that... He deserves a
> place in the bowels of hell.
>
> Croatia was a
>
> > part of the Nazi Axis.
>
> Some of Croatia was. They had some schizophrenia going on because you Serbs
> were some fuckheads.
>
> Croatian troops fought on the Eastern front
>
> > against Russians, in fact the winner of two Iron Crosses  for shooting
> > down 32 Russian aircraft was a Crotian Ustasha like you !
>
> Wanna recant that story Alex?
>
> For petes sake.... why do you like to lie so much? Is it in your blood?

Not a lie at all. Ustasha government provided thousands of troops to
Hitler, to fight on the Eastern front, many of who won Iron Crosses
and other Nazi awards. If you want I can provide you the names of
those Croats, no problem at all. Mind you I do not hold it against
them, that much. Because Pavelic declared himself a Nazi right  from
the start, he did not pretend to be anything else.

I do despise the Serbian generals such as Milan Nedic and Ljotic, who
joined Nazis on the sly, and killed their own people. We had even Jews
amongst them such as Ostrovsky who was a deputy Gestapo chief of
Belgrade. I am shocked that you do not know that Croatian Ustashas
took part in the Battle of Stalingrad. Or you just pretend that you do
not know



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>
> This national participation was initiated and enacted by the Grand Mufti of
> Jerusalem, Husseini.

The Mufti of Jerusalem had just about as much influence in Bosnia as
Dan has. He was a fascist, and so were all those who served Hitler,
Jew or none Jew. SS General Milch was a Jew and no lesser Nazi than
Adolf Hitler himself!

But Mufti had nothing to do with Bosnian fascists or their
organization, all you are trying to do is mark Palestinians as
fascists, because the Mufti was one. Mufti's visit to Germany and
Bosnia was only about a week long



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On Mar 6, 4:48 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> I saw her debate with the two Muslim morons who were no match for her at
> all. The best they could do was call her a heretic. She flustered them so
> badly they couldn't respond.
> She defines herself as a humanist.

MRS. SULTAN HAS NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM. ALAWITES ONLY ACCEPT CERTAIN
PORTION OF THE HOLY QURAN. SHE IS OBSTINATE AND VERY, VERY STUPID WHEN
IT COMES TO RELIGION. BIG TRAP, NO BRAINS TO MATCH IT!



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JURY TRIAL DEMANDED

INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT: NATURE OF ACTION

1. This is a civil action arising under customary international law
and the laws of the United States of America on behalf of named
Plaintiffs and a class of all Jews, Serbians, and former Soviet Union
citizens (and their heirs and beneficiaries), who suffered physical,
monetary and/or property losses including slave labor, due to the
systematic and brutal extermination of Jews, Serbians, and Romani by
the Nazi puppet Regime, The Independent State of Croatia (NDH) led by
Pavelic's Ustasha Regime, and as a result of the occupation of the
former Soviet Union by Croatian military forces in concert with their
German occupation forces. This is an action against the Vatican Bank,
Franciscan Order and Unknown Catholic Religious Orders, and as yet
unnamed recipients of Nazi and Ustasha Loot, Swiss, Austrian,
Argentine, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, and German banking
institutions and California and other United States correspondent
banks for their participation in and benefit from the Ustasha Regime's
acts of cruelty and violence.

2. Plaintiffs (their heirs and beneficiaries) seek an accounting,
restitution, disgorgement and to recover damages arising out of the
participation of Defendant, VATICAN BANK or Istituto Per Le Opere Di
Religione (hereinafter referred to as IOR), the FRANCISCAN ORDER and
Unknown Catholic Religious Orders, unknown recipients of Nazi and
Ustasha loot, and other banking institutions and correspondent banks
and religious orders and organizations in a common scheme and course
of conduct: (a) to profit from, both directly and indirectly, the
inhumane and genocidal system instituted by the Nazi-directed Ustasha
Regime in Croatia and territories subject to Croatian civil or
military occupation upon those peoples that it viewed, not as human
beings, but as subhuman according to Nazi and Ustasha ideology; (b) to
obtain, accept, conceal, convert and profit from assets looted by the
Ustasha Regime and deposited in, or liquidated through, the IOR,
unnamed Doe Defendant Banks, and Franciscan Order during the
ascendancy of the Ustasha Regime and following the demise of the
Regime at the behest of the former Ustasha and Nazi leaders through
the offices of the Franciscan Order; and (c) to retain and convert
assets deposited in their institutions by the Ustasha and/or the
Franciscan Order and Unknown Catholic Religious Orders.

3. Defendants committed, conspired to commit, and aided and abetted
others who committed crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes
against humanity. Defendants assisted the Ustasha Regime and its
leaders as well as prominent Nazis to successfully evade justice for
their genocidal crimes by concealing and making available the
considerable assets of the Ustasha Treasury.

4. Evidence of the extent of the Defendants' participation in
wrongdoing has only recently come to light as a result of the
disclosure and declassification of archived documents in the United
States, Great Britain, Germany and other countries, as well as from
the reports of several commissions and/or task forces created in the
United States, Germany and elsewhere and in particular the
Supplemental Report of June 2, 1998 by the United States State
Department: U.S. and Allied Efforts To Recover and Restore Gold and
Other Assets Stolen or Hidden by Germany During World War II, "The
Fate of the Wartime Ustasha Treasury," released under the auspices of
Under Secretary of State, Stuart E. Eizenstat.

5. By the conclusion of the Second World War, all Defendants were
advised by the international community that the knowing use and
benefit from the Ustasha Treasury, and the knowing looting and plunder
of assets and benefits therefrom, were violations of international law
and various codes of criminal conduct. All Defendants nevertheless
improperly retained and concealed illicit profits and withheld them
>from their rightful owners. Defendants have unlawfully and unfairly
profited from these practices for more than half a century, thereby
illegally and improperly strengthening their own economic position in
California, the United States, and throughout the world.



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On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> and to all the other bashers of the same mind in different colors:
>
> There's no question about it that you all live on occupied land, be it
> Amerindian, N., S. and Central, aboriginal in Australia, Tasmania and New
> Zealand, Scotland, Ireland and Wales in Europe, and elsewhere in the whole
> world.
>
> For this blatant occupation of another's land and his eviction by force by
> you(r recent ancestors), you, unlike the Jewish Nation, can make no claim
> whatsoever.

"Jewish Nation"???  You must be completely  nuts. No religion is a
"Nation"!



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GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!

stj911@rock.com wrote:
> Canada anti-terror law is struck down
> >From the Associated Press
> February 24, 2007
>
> OTTAWA - Canada's Supreme Court on Friday unanimously declared it
> unconstitutional to detain foreign terrorism suspects indefinitely
> while the courts review their deportation orders.
>
> Five Arab Muslim men have been held for years under the "security
> certificate" program, which the Justice Department has said is a key
> tool in the fight against global terrorism and essential to Canada's
> security.
>
> The court found that the system violated the Charter of Rights and
> Freedoms, Canada's bill of rights. However, it suspended its ruling
> for a year to give Parliament time to rewrite the part of the
> Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that covers the certificate
> process.
>
> The security certificates were challenged by three men from Morocco,
> Syria and Algeria - all alleged by the Canadian Security Intelligence
> Service to have ties to terrorist networks.
>
> The men have spent years in jail while fighting deportation orders.
>
> They risk being labeled terrorists and sent back to their native
> countries, where they say they could face torture.
>
> The court said the treatment of the suspects was a violation of their
> rights.
>
> "The overarching principle of fundamental justice that applies here is
> this: Before the state can detain people for significant periods of
> time, it must accord them a fair judicial process," Chief Justice
> Beverley McLachlin wrote in a ruling for all nine justices.
>
> "The secrecy required by the scheme denies the person named in a
> certificate the opportunity to know the case put against him or her,
> and hence to challenge the government's case," she said.
>
> The challenged law allows sensitive intelligence to be heard behind
> closed doors by a federal judge, with only sketchy summaries given to
> defense attorneys.
>
> The court said the men and their lawyers should have a right to
> respond to the evidence used against them by intelligence agents.
>
> Stockwell Day, the minister of public safety, noted that because the
> ruling does not take effect for a year, the certificates would remain
> in place. He said the government would address the court's ruling "in
> a timely and decisive fashion."
>
> Two of the men are out on bail and remain under house arrest. Three
> others are being held in a federal facility in Ontario.













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On Feb 25, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:48 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> GOD BLESS CANADA, TH ONLY LAND OF THE FREE!
>
>    Do you like what they did to Ernst Zundel?
>
>  Michael

NO, OF  COURSE NOT! But that is being corrected as we speak











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On Feb 25, 10:28 am, "zr"  wrote:
> Yeah, we have decided to shoot the bastards on the spot. To hell with
> sensitivity.
>
 GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY, YOU FUCKING JEW PIG!











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On Mar 7, 8:20 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173216439.821706.30...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > But Mufti had nothing to do with Bosnian fascists or their
> > organization, all you are trying to do is mark Palestinians as
> > fascists, because the Mufti was one. Mufti's visit to Germany and
> > Bosnia was only about a week long
>
> Alex who do you think you are kidding.
>
> http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
>
> He was about 5 years in Berlin as an honored guest of Hitler. He also
> made many trips Bosnia, where he recruited the Bosnian Waffen SS
> company.

ABSOLKUTELY! HE USED TO CATCH A TRAIN TO JERUSALEM EVERY FRIDAY AT THE
BANHOF
TO GET BACK TO JERUSALEM FOR THE FRIDAY PRAYERS!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:45 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.terrorism.world-trade-center,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: jews butchered pows (1967)
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 And when Hezbollah attacks the Jewish enclave they cry blue murder!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:46 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WHY IS DR. SAMI AL-ARIAN STILL IN PRISON?
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On Mar 7, 9:29 am, "Ilan Ramon lost kike in space"
 wrote:
> WHY IS DR. SAMI AL-ARIAN STILL IN PRISON?
>
> [NOTE: this letter ran as a quarter-page ad in yesterday's Washington
> Post.]
>
> An Open Letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
>
> Dear Attorney General Gonzales,
>
> We the undersigned Americans - individuals and organizations -
> respectfully request that you support the immediate release of former
> Florida professor Dr. Sami Al-Arian so that he and his family may
> resume their lives in another country. Here are our reasons for
> seeking Prof. Al-Arian's release:
>
> In December 2005, after 10 years of federal investigation and a six-
> month trial, a Florida jury refused to return a single guilty verdict
> against Dr. Al-Arian, rejecting the government's argument that he
> operated a cell for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
>
> On May 1, 2006, the Justice Department agreed that Dr. Al Arian should
> be released within 30 days, and further agreed to assist in his
> voluntary departure from the country without other conditions, in
> exchange for a guilty plea to one non-violent offense.
>
> In violation of their agreement, the Justice Department changed its
> position by attempting to force Dr. Al Arian to testify before a grand
> jury. Despite the plea agreement that freed him from further
> cooperation with the government, Dr. Al-Arian was recently given a
> sentence of up to 18 months in prison for refusing to testify before a
> grand jury in Virginia.
>
> On January 21, Dr. Al-Arian began a hunger strike to protest the
> government's actions and the conditions of his imprisonment. Family
> members report that he collapsed after the 23rd day and has been moved
> from Virginia to a medical facility in North Carolina, where he is
> kept in solitary confinement, in effect under twenty-four hour
> lockdown.
>
> Recently the respected human rights monitor Amnesty International sent
> you a letter expressing "concern about the treatment while in federal
> custody of Dr. Sami Al-Arian." Amnesty International communicated to
> you that his treatment in prison "is in breach of the USA's
> obligations under international standards and treaties, including
> Article 10 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
> (ICCPR), which states that `all persons deprived of their liberty
> shall be treated with humanity and with respect for the inherent
> dignity of the human person.'"
>
> In criticizing the unacceptably punitive conditions of solitary
> confinement of Dr. Al-Arian, Amnesty International went on to express
> concern over the reports of the prosecutor leading the grand jury case
> in Virginia who has expressed anti-Islamic sentiments in discussions
> with counsel for Dr. Al-Arian. This raises the obvious question
> whether these proceedings are being used to punish him for his
> political profile rather than for constitutionally legitimate
> purposes.
>
> In May 2006, your department had promised to end the case by ending
> all further business with Dr. Al-Arian and to assist in his immediate
> deportation. Now your department is responsible for locking him up
> potentially indefinitely.
>
> You have not kept your promise. Today, people all over the world are
> urging you to keep your promise and release Dr. Sami Al-Arian as
> scheduled so that he and his family can build their lives elsewhere.
>
> Signatories:
>
> American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Elections
> Citizen's Committee for Equal Justice
> California Civil Rights Alliance
> Friends of Human Rights
> National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
>
> http://www.cair-net.org/

Sami is in prison because ZioNazis are terrified of his popularity. It
is the ZioNazis who decide that he remains in prison, not the courts



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:47 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: US women poisoned by thallium in Russia.
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They were poisoned in United States. Thallium poisoning has a long
term incubation period, sometimes months.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: BUT, BUT, BUT, BUSH ALREADY HUNG SADDAM FOR THAT!
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On Mar 7, 8:28 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote innews:1173302484.522448.170550@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > - I don't think that news agencies reported what former Deputy Prime
> > Minister Tariq Aziz today said today:
>
>         And of course Tariq Aziz is the epitome of truthfulness?
>         Traces of things like mustard gas have been found in the
>         remains of IEDs.
>         Where did that come from? Hmmmm?
>
>         IBM

>FROM UNITED STATES OF COURSE, IT WAS SOLD TO THE SHAH OF IRAN



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:49 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.terrorism.world-trade-center,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: jews butchered pows (1967)
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On Mar 7, 5:26 pm, "Al Nakba"  wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2:23 pm, "Warhol"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 7, 12:32 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 6, 6:25 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > > > Lying again Heinie!!!
> > > > Did you bother to read the article?
> > > > Given your provocative subject header obviously not.
> > > > Heinrich wrote:
> > > > > CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit has asked
> > > > > Israel to launch an inquiry into charges that Israeli troops may have
> > > > > killed Egyptian prisoners of war in 1967, the official Middle East
> > > > > News Agency said on Tuesday.
> > > > An old allegation for which no evidence has ever been provided.
>
> > > What's the number up to now?
>
> > > > > Egyptians were outraged by an Israeli documentary film which,
> > > > > according to Israeli media reports widely quoted in Egypt, alleged an
> > > > > army unit led by Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, now Israel's infrastructure
> > > > > minister, may have killed 250 prisoners of war in Sinai rather than
> > > > > transferring them to POW camps.
>
> > > Oh, so it's 250 now? Last time I heard that canard, it was 15.
>
> > > You wonder why Pallies never bother howling about the 20,000 Pals
> > > massacred by Jordan in 1970, or the 400,000 Pals expelled from Kuwait
> > > -- and the 6,000 Pals imprisoned and tortured by the same - in 1991,
> > > for their support of Saddam's invasion. Not a peep.
>
> > > Deborah
>
> > > Deborah
>
> > Go wash your hands from the bloodmarks and come than back... Now you
> > stink Blood... Liars and crimenals- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Who are you hurling your invectives at, O Abu Kalb?

the only liars and criminals are zionazis, i thought you knew that



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 7, 7:01 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173310417.449859.295890@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You have analyzed the twisted and sick logic of the ZioNazi Jew very
> > well Cazador.    The ZioNazi Jew will go to great lengths to excuse
> > their crimes by finding some similar crime committed previously to
> > equate with their own criminal act and thus justify it in their
> > sinister mind.
>
> Not that what you said is true, but it is obvious that the Arabs don't give
> a rats tushie less to justify what they do. They know they will get a free
> pass for their wanton destruction, because they know that they have bigoted
> racist idiots like you that will blame Jews for stuff,  justified or not.

You must be really crazy Ustasha, if you think that Arabs slaughtered
more Jews than the other way around. It is a well known fact that some
450 Palestinian villages were completely wiped off the map of
Palestine




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From: "Venceremos" 
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 YEAH SURE!z  SEMITES SUDDENLY BECAME ANTI SEMITES



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:11:51 EDT 2007
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 ALLAHU AKBAR!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: BUT, BUT, BUT, BUSH ALREADY HUNG SADDAM FOR THAT!
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On Mar 8, 1:31 am, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote innews:1173320420.512546.324300@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Mar 7, 8:28 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote
> >> innews:1173302484.522448.170550@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > - I don't think that news agencies reported what former Deputy Prime
> >> > Minister Tariq Aziz today said today:
>
> >>         And of course Tariq Aziz is the epitome of truthfulness?
> >>         Traces of things like mustard gas have been found in the
> >>         remains of IEDs.
> >>         Where did that come from? Hmmmm?
>
> >>         IBM
>
> > FROM UNITED STATES OF COURSE, IT WAS SOLD TO THE SHAH OF IRAN
>
>         Sez you.
>         Mustard gas production doesn't require world class
>         engineering.
>
>         IBM

YEAH SURE SADDAM MADE THE GAS CANNISTER MARKED WITH THE WORD "USA"



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 The following article, The Jews of Iraq, is the result of an
interview conducted by The Link on March 16, 1998. The article was
published in the ? edition of The Link. The interviewee, Naeim Giladi,
an Iraqi Jew and a former Zionist is the author of "Ben Gurion's
Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews".

In his book, Ben Gurion's Scandals, Mr. Giladi discusses the crimes
committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import raw Jewish labor.
Newly-vacated farmlands had to be plowed to provide food for the
immigrants and the military ranks had to be filled with conscripts to
defend the illegitimately repossesed lands.

Mr. Giladi couldn't get his book published in Israel, and even in the
U=2ES. he discovered that he could do so only by personally funding the
project.

The Giladis, now U.S. citizens, live in New York City. By choice, they
no longer hold Israeli citizenship. "I am Iraqi," he told The Link,
"born in Iraq, my culture still Iraqi Arabic, my religion Jewish, my
citizenship American."

The Link, honored in 1998 by the International Writers and Artists
Association, is published by Americans for Middle East Understanding
(AMEU).

In the ? edition of The Link, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe looked at
the hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians whose lives were
uprooted to make room for foreigners who would come to populate land
confiscated by the Zionists. Most were Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern
Europe. But over half a million other Jews came from Islamic lands.
Zionist propagandists claim that Israel "rescued" these Jews from
their anti-Jewish, Muslim neighbors. One of those "rescued" Jews,
Naeim Giladi, knows otherwise.

Naeim Giladi: "I write this article for the same reason I wrote my
book: to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that
Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to
force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to
confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected
genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about
what the first Prime Minister of Israel called 'cruel Zionism'. I
write about it because I was part of it."

John F. Mahoney, Executive Director, AMEU: "The Link interviewed Naeim
Giladi, a Jew from Iraq, for three hours on March 16, 1998, two days
prior to his 69th birthday. For nearly two other delightful hours, we
were treated to a multi-course Arabic meal prepared by his wife
Rachael, who is also Iraqi. "It's our Arab culture," he said proudly".
THE JEWS OF IRAQ
By Naeim Giladi

Of course I thought I knew it all back then. I was young, idealistic,
and more than willing to put my life at risk for my convictions. It
was 1947 and I wasn't quite 18 when the Iraqi authorities caught me
for smuggling young Iraqi Jews like myself out of Iraq, into Iran, and
then on to the Promised Land of the soon-to-be established Israel.

I was an Iraqi Jew in the Zionist underground. My Iraqi jailers did
everything they could to extract the names of my co-conspirators.
Fifty years later, pain still throbs in my right toe, a reminder of
the day my captors used pliers to remove my toenails. On another
occasion, they hauled me to the flat roof of the prison, stripped me
bare on a frigid January day, then threw a bucket of cold water over
me. I was left there, chained to the railing, for hours. But I never
once considered giving them the information they wanted. I was a true
believer.

My preoccupation during what I refer to as my "two years in hell" was
with survival and escape. I had no interest then in the broad sweep of
Jewish history in Iraq even though my family had been part of it right
>from the beginning. We were originally Haroons, a large and important
family of the "Babylonian Diaspora." My ancestors had settled in Iraq
more than 2,600 years ago, 600 years before Christianity, and 1,200
years before Islam. I am descended from Jews who built the tomb of
Yehezkel The Prophet Ezekiel, a Jewish prophet of pre-biblical times.
My town, where I was born in 1929, is Hillah, not far from the ancient
site of Babylon.

The original Jews found Babylon, with its nourishing Tigris and
Euphrates rivers, to be truly a land of milk, honey, abundance-and
opportunity. Although Jews, like other minorities in what became Iraq,
experienced periods of oppression and discrimination depending on the
rulers of the period, their general trajectory over two and one-half
millennia was upward. Under the late Ottoman rule, for example, Jewish
social and religious institutions, schools, and medical facilities
flourished without outside interference, and Jews were prominent in
government and business.

As I sat there in my cell, unaware that a death sentence soon would be
handed down against me, I could not have recounted any personal
grievances that my family members would have lodged against the
government or the Muslim majority. Our family had been treated well
and had prospered, first as farmers with some 50,000 acres devoted to
rice, dates and Arab horses.
Then, with the Ottomans, we bought and purified gold that was shipped
to Istanbul and turned into coinage. The Turks were responsible in
fact for changing our name to reflect our occupation-we became
Khalaschi, meaning "Makers of Pure."

I did not volunteer the information to my father that I had joined the
Zionist underground. He found out several months before I was arrested
when he saw me writing Hebrew and using words and expressions
unfamiliar to him. He was even more surprised to learn that, yes, I
had decided I would soon move to Israel myself. He was scornful.
"You'll come back with your tail between your legs," he predicted.

About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into
1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what
I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were
among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel. Although physically I never
did return to Iraq-that bridge had been burned in any event-my heart
has made the journey there many, many times. My father had it right.

I was imprisoned at the military camp of Abu-Greib, about 7 miles from
Baghdad. When the military court handed down my sentence of death by
hanging, I had nothing to lose by attempting the escape I had been
planning for many months.

It was a strange recipe for an escape: a dab of butter, an orange
peel, and some army clothing that I had asked a friend to buy for me
at a flea market. I deliberately ate as much bread as I could to put
on fat in anticipation of the day I became 18, when they could
formally charge me with a crime and attach the 50-pound ball and chain
that was standard prisoner issue.

Later, after my leg had been shackled, I went on a starvation diet
that often left me weak-kneed.The pat of butter was to lubricate my
leg in preparation for extricating it from the metal band.The orange
peel I surreptitiously stuck into the lock on the night of my planned
escape, having studied how it could be placed in such a way as to keep
the lock from closing.

As the jailers turned to go after locking up, I put on the old army
issue that was indistinguishable from what they were wearing-a long,
green coat and a stocking cap that I pulleddown over much of my face
(it was winter). Then I just quietly opened the door and joined the
departing group of soldiers as they strode down the hall and outside,
and I offered a "good night" to the shift guard as I left. A friend
with a car was waiting to speed me away.

Later I made my way to the new state of Israel, arriving in May, 1950.
My passport had my name in Arabic and English, but the English
couldn't capture the "kh" sound, so it was rendered simply as Klaski.
At the border, the immigration people applied the English version,
which had an Eastern European, Ashkenazi ring to it. In one way, this
"mistake" was my key to discovering very soon just how the Israeli
caste system worked.

They asked me where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do. I was the
son of a farmer; I knew allthe problems of the farm, so I volunteered
to go to Dafnah, a farming kibbutz in the high Galilee. I only lasted
a few weeks. The new immigrants were given the worst of everything.
The food was the same, but that was the only thing that everyone had
in common. For the immigrants, bad cigarettes, even bad toothpaste.
Everything. I left.
Then, through the Jewish Agency, I was advised to go to al-Majdal
(later renamed Ashkelon), an Arab town about 9 miles from Gaza, very
close to the Mediterranean. The Israeli government planned to turn it
into a farmers' city, so my farm background would be an asset there.

When I reported to the Labor Office in al-Majdal, they saw that I
could read and write Arabic and Hebrew and they said that I could find
a good-paying job with the Military Governor's office.The Arabs were
under the authority of these Israeli Military Governors. A clerk
handed me a bunch of forms in Arabic and Hebrew. Now it dawned on me.
Before Israel could establish its farmers' city, it had to rid al-
Majdal of its indigenous Palestinians. The forms were petitions to the
United Nations Inspectors asking for transfer out of Israel to Gaza,
which was under Egyptian control.

I read over the petition. In signing, the Palestinian would be saying
that he was of sound mind and body and was making the request for
transfer free of pressure or duress. Of course, there was no way that
they would leave without being pressured to do so. These families had
been there hundreds of years, as farmers, primitive artisans, weavers.
The Military Governor prohibited them from pursuing their livelihoods,
just penned them up until they lost hope of resuming their normal
lives. That's when they signed to leave.

I was there and heard their grief. "Our hearts are in pain when we
look at the orange trees that we planted with our own hands. Please
let us go, let us give water to those trees. God will not be pleased
with us if we leave His trees untended." I asked the Military Governor
to give them relief, but he said, "No, we want them to leave." I could
no longer be part of this oppression and I left. Those Palestinians
who didn't sign up for transfers were taken by force-just put in
trucks and dumped in Gaza. About four thousand people were driven from
al-Majdal in one way or another. The few who remained were
collaborators with the Israeli authorities.

Subsequently, I wrote letters trying to get a government job elsewhere
and I got many immediate responses asking me to come for an interview.
Then they would discover that my face didn't match my Polish/Ashkenazi
name. They would ask if I spoke Yiddish or Polish, and when I said I
didn't, they would ask where I came by a Polish name. Desperate for a
good job, I would usually say that I thought my great-grandfather was
>from Poland. I was advised time and again that "we'll give you a
call."

Eventually, three to four years after coming to Israel, I changed my
name to Giladi, which is close to the code name, Gilad, that I had in
the Zionist underground. Klaski wasn't doing me any good anyway, and
my Eastern friends were always chiding me about the name they knew
didn't go with my origins as an Iraqi Jew.
I was disillusioned at what I found in the Promised Land,
disillusioned personally, disillusioned at the institutionalized
racism, disillusioned at what I was beginning to learn about Zionism's
cruelties. The principal interest Israel had in Jews from Islamic
countries was as a supply of cheap labor, especially for the farm work
that was beneath the urbanized Eastern European Jews. Ben Gurion
needed the "Oriental" Jews to farm the thousands of acres of land left
by Palestinians who were driven out by Israeli forces in 1948.

And I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the
fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils
today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was
probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948
war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations,
often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed
Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return
to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis
put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.

Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force,
has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents.
According to Mileshtin, Moshe Dayan, a division commander at the time,
gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze
their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery
bacteria.

Acre was so situated that it could practically defend itself with one
big gun, so the Haganah put bacteria into the spring that fed the
town. The spring was called Capri and it ran from the north near a
kibbutz. The Haganah put typhus bacteria into the water going to Acre,
the people got sick, and the Jewish forces occupied Acre. This worked
so well that they sent a Haganah division dressed as Arabs into Gaza,
where there were Egyptian forces, and the Egyptians caught them
putting two cans of bacteria, typhus and dysentery, into the water
supply in wanton disregard of the civilian population. "In war, there
is no sentiment," one of the captured Haganah men was quoted as
saying.

My activism in Israel began shortly after I received a letter from the
Socialist/Zionist Party asking me to help with their Arabic newspaper.
When I showed up at their offices at Central Housein Tel Aviv, I asked
around to see just where I should report. I showed the letter to a
couple of people there and, without even looking at it, they would
motion me away with the words, "Room No. 8." When I saw that they
weren't even reading the letter, I inquired of several others.But the
response was the same, "Room No. 8," with not a glance at the paper I
put in front of them.

So I went to Room 8 and saw that it was the Department of Jews from
Islamic Countries. I was disgusted and angry. Either I am a member of
the party or I'm not. Do I have a different ideology or different
politics because I am an Arab Jew? It's segregation, I thought, just
like a Negroes' Department. I turned around and walked out. That was
the start of my open protests. That same year I organized a
demonstration in Ashkelon against Ben Gurion's racist policies and
10,000 people turned out.

There wasn't much opportunity for those of us who were second class
citizens to do much about it when Israel was on a war footing with
outside enemies. After the 1967 war, I was in the Army myself and
served in the Sinai when there was continued fighting along the Suez
Canal. But the cease-fire with Egypt in 1970 gave us our opening. We
took to the streets and organized politically to demand equal rights.
If it's our country, if we were expected to risk our lives in a border
war, then we expected equal treatment.

We mounted the struggle so tenaciously and received so much publicity
that the Israeli government tried to discredit our movement by calling
us "Israel's Black Panthers." They were thinking in racist terms,
really, in assuming the Israeli public would reject an organization
whose ideology was being compared to that of radical blacks in the
United States. But we saw that what we were doing was no different
than what blacks in the United States were fighting against-
segregation, discrimination, unequal treatment. Rather than reject the
label, we adopted it proudly. I had posters of Martin Luther King,
Malcolm X, Nelson Mandela and other civil rights activists plastered
all over my office.

With the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli-condoned Sabra
and Shatilla massacres, I had had enough of Israel. I became a United
States citizen and made certain to revoke my Israeli citizenship. I
could never have written and published my book in Israel, not with the
censorship they would impose.
Even in America, I had great difficulty finding a publisher because
many are subject to pressures of one kind or another from Israel and
its friends. I ended up paying $60,000 from my own pocket to publish
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews,
virtually the entire proceeds from having sold my house in Israel.

I still was afraid that the printer would back out or that legal
proceedings would be initiated to stop its publication, like the
Israeli government did in an attempt to prevent former Mossad case
officer Victor Ostrovsky from publishing his first book. Ben Gurion's
Scandals had to be translated into English from two languages. I wrote
in Hebrew when I was in Israel and hoped to publish the book there,
and I wrote in Arabic when I was completing the book after coming to
theU.S. But I was so worried that something would stop publication
that I told the printer not to wait for the translations to be
thoroughly checked and proofread. Now I realize that the publicity of
a lawsuit would just have created a controversial interest in the
book.

I am using bank vault storage for the valuable documents that back up
what I have written. These documents, including some that I illegally
copied from the archives at Yad Vashem, confirm what I saw myself,
what I was told by other witnesses, and what reputable historians and
others have written concerning the Zionist bombings in Iraq, Arab
peace overtures that were rebuffed, and incidents of violence and
death inflicted by Jews on Jews in the cause of creating Israel.

The Riots of 1941

If, as I have said, my family in Iraq was not persecuted personally
and I knew no deprivation as a member of the Jewish minority, what led
me to the steps of the gallows as a member of the Zionist underground?
To answer that question, it is necessary to establish the context of
the massacre that occurred in Baghdad on June 1, 1941, when several
hundred Iraqi Jews were killed in riots involving junior officers of
the Iraqi army. I was 12 years of age and many of those killed were my
friends. I was angry, and very confused.

What I didn't know at the time was that the riots most likely were
stirred up by the British, in collusion with a pro-British Iraqi
leadership.

With the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following WW I, Iraq came under
British "tutelage." Amir Faisal, son of Sharif Hussein who had led the
Arab Revolt against the Ottoman sultan, was brought in from Mecca by
the British to become King of Iraq in 1921. Many Jews were appointed
to key administrative posts, including that of economics minister.
Britain retained final authority over domestic and external affairs.
Britain's pro-Zionist attitude in Palestine, however, triggered a
growing anti-Zionist backlash in Iraq, as it did in all Arab
countries. Writing at the end of 1934, Sir Francis Humphreys,
Britain's Ambassador in Baghdad, noted that, while before WWI Iraqi
Jews had enjoyed a more favorable position than any other minority in
the country, since then "Zionism has sown dissension between Jews and
Arabs, and a bitterness has grown up between the two peoples which did
not previously exist."

King Faisal died in 1933. He was succeeded by his son Ghazi, who died
in a motor car accident in 1939. The crown then passed to Ghazi's 4-
year-old son, Faisal II, whose uncle, Abd al-Ilah, was named regent.
Abd al-Ilah selected Nouri el-Said as prime minister. El-Said
supported the British and, as hatred of the British grew, he was
forced from office in March 1940 by four senior army officers who
advocated Iraq's independence from Britain. Calling themselves the
Golden Square, the officers compelled the regent to name as prime
minister Rashid Ali al-Kilani, leader of the National Brotherhood
party.

The time was 1940 and Britain was reeling from a strong German
offensive. Al-Kilani and the Golden Square saw this as their
opportunity to rid themselves of the British once and for all.
Cautiously they began to negotiate for German support, which led the
pro-British regent Abd al-Ilah to dismiss al-Kilani in January 1941.
By April, however, the Golden Square officers had reinstated the Prime
Minister.

This provoked the British to send a military force into Basra on April
12, 1941. Basra, Iraq's second largest city, had a Jewish population
of 30,000. Most of these Jews made their livings from import/export,
money changing, retailing, as workers in the airports, railways, and
ports, or as senior government employees.

On the same day, April 12, supporters of the pro-British regent
notified the Jewish leaders that the regent wanted to meet with them.
As was their custom, the leaders brought flowers for the regent.
Contrary to custom, however, the cars that drove them to the meeting
place dropped them off at the site where the British soldiers were
concentrated.

Photographs of the Jews appeared in the following day's newspapers
with the banner "Basra Jews Receive British Troops with Flowers." That
same day, April 13, groups of angry Arab youths set about to take
revenge against the Jews. Several Muslim notables in Basra heard of
the plan and calmed things down. Later, it was learned that the regent
was not in Basra at all and that the matter was a provocation by his
pro-British supporters to bring about an ethnic war in order to give
the British army a pretext to intervene.

The British continued to land more forces in and around Basra. On May
7, 1941, their Gurkha unit, composed of Indian soldiers from that
ethnic group, occupied Basra's el-Oshar quarter, a neighborhood with a
large Jewish population. The soldiers, led by British officers, began
looting. Many shops in the commercial district were plundered. Private
homes were broken into. Cases of attempted rape were reported. Local
residents, Jews and Muslims, responded with pistols and old rifles,
but their bullets were no match for the soldiers' Tommy Guns.
Afterwards, it was learned that the soldiers acted with the
acquiescence, if not the blessing, of their British commanders. (It
should be remembered that the Indian soldiers, especially those of the
Gurkha unit, were known for their discipline, and it is highly
unlikely they would have acted so riotously without orders.) The
British goal clearly was to create chaos and to blacken the image of
the pro-nationalist regime in Baghdad, thereby giving the British
forces reason to proceed to the capital and to overthrow the al-Kilani
government.

Baghdad fell on May 30. Al-Kilani fled to Iran, along with the Golden
Square officers. Radio stations run by the British reported that
Regent Abd al-Ilah would be returning to the city and that thousands
of Jews and others were planning to welcome him. What inflamed young
Iraqis against the Jews most, however, was the radio announcer Yunas
Bahri on the German station "Berlin," who reported in Arabic that Jews
>from Palestine were fighting alongside the British against Iraqi
soldiers near the city of Faluja. The report was false.

On Sunday, June 1, unarmed fighting broke out in Baghdad between Jews
who were still celebrating their Shabuoth holiday and young Iraqis who
thought the Jews were celebrating the return of the pro-British
regent. That evening, a group of Iraqis stopped a bus, removed the
Jewish passengers,murdered one and fatally wounded a second.

About 8:30 the following morning, some 30 individuals in military and
police uniforms opened fire along el-Amin street, a small downtown
street whose jewelry, tailor and grocery shops were Jewish-owned. By
11 a.m., mobs of Iraqis with knives, switchblades and clubs were
attacking Jewish homes in the area.

The riots continued throughout Monday, June 2. During this time, many
Muslims rose to defend their Jewish neighbors, while some Jews
successfully defended themselves. There were 124 killed and 400
injured, according to a report written by a Jewish Agency messenger
who was in Iraq at the time. Other estimates, possibly less reliable,
put the death toll higher, as many as 500, with from 650 to 2,000
injured. From 500 to 1,300 stores and more than 1,000 homes and
apartments were looted.

Who was behind the rioting in the Jewish quarter? Yosef Meir, one of
the most prominent activists in the Zionist underground movement in
Iraq, known then as Yehoshafat, claims it was the British. Meir, who
now works for the Israeli Defense Ministry, argues that, in order to
make it appear that the regent was returning as the savior who would
reestablish law and order, the British stirred up the riots against
the most vulnerable and visible segment in the city, the Jews. And,
not surprisingly, the riots ended as soon as the regent's loyal
soldiers entered the capital.

My own investigations as a journalist lead me to believe Meir is
correct. Furthermore, I think his claims should be seen as based on
documents in the archives of the Israeli Defense Ministry, the agency
that published his book. Yet, even before his book came out, I had
independent confirmation from a man I met in Iran in the late Forties.

His name was Michael Timosian, an Iraqi Armenian. When I met him he
was working as a male nurse at the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company in Abadan
in the south of Iran. On June 2, 1941, however, he wasworking at the
Baghdad hospital where many of the riot victims were brought. Most of
these victims were Jews.
Timosian said he was particularly interested in two patients whose
conduct did not follow local custom. One had been hit by a bullet in
his shoulder, the other by a bullet in his right knee. After the
doctor removed the bullets, the staff tried to change their blood-
soaked cloths. But the two men fought off their efforts, pretending to
be speechless, although tests showed they could hear. To pacify them,
the doctor injected them with anesthetics and, as they were
sleeping,Timosian changed their cloths. He discovered that one of them
had around his neck an identification tag of the type used by British
troops, while the other had tattoos with Indian script on his right
arm along with the familiar sword of the Gurkha.

The next day when Timosian showed up for work, he was told that a
British officer, his sergeant and two Indian Gurkha soldiers had come
to the hospital early that morning. Staff members overheard the Gurkha
soldiers talking with the wounded patients, who were not as dumb as
they had pretended. The patients saluted the visitors, covered
themselves with sheets and, without signing the required release
forms, left the hospital with their visitors.

Today there is no doubt in my mind that the anti-Jewish riots of 1941
were orchestrated by the British for geopolitical ends. David Kimche
is certainly a man who was in a position to know the truth, and he has
spoken publicly about British culpability. Kimche had been with
British Intelligence during WW II and with the Mossad after the war.
Later he became Director General of Israel's Foreign Ministry, the
position he held in 1982 when he addressed a forum at the British
Institute for International Affairs in London.

In responding to hostile questions about Israel's invasion of Lebanon
and the refugee camp massacres in Beirut, Kimche went on the attack,
reminding the audience that there was scant concern in the British
Foreign Office when British Gurkha units participated in the murder of
500 Jews in the streets of Baghdad in 1941.

The Bombings of 1950-1951

The anti-Jewish riots of 1941 did more than create a pretext for the
British to enter Baghdad to reinstate the pro-British regent and his
pro-British prime minister, Nouri el-Said. They also gave the Zionists
in Palestine a pretext to set up a Zionist underground in Iraq, first
in Baghdad, then in other cities such as Basra, Amara, Hillah,
Diwaneia, Abril and Karkouk.

Following WWII, a succession of governments held brief power in Iraq.
Zionist conquests in Palestine, particularly the massacre of
Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin, emboldened the anti-
British movement in Iraq. When the Iraqi government signed a new
treaty of friendship with London in January 1948, riots broke out all
over the country. The treaty was quickly abandoned and Baghdad
demanded removal of the British military mission that had run Iraq's
army for 27 years.

Later in 1948, Baghdad sent an army detachment to Palestine to fight
the Zionists, and when Israel declared independence in May, Iraq
closed the pipeline that fed its oil to Haifa's refinery. Abd al-Ilah,
however, was still regent and the British quisling, Nouri el-Said, was
back as prime minister. I was in the Abu-Greib prison in 1948, where I
would remain until my escape to Iran in September 1949.

Six months later-the exact date was March 19, 1950-a bomb went off at
the American Cultural Center and Library in Baghdad, causing property
damage and injuring a number of people. The center was a favorite
meeting place for young Jews.

The first bomb thrown directly at Jews occurred on April 8, 1950, at
9:15 p.m. A car with three young passengers hurled the grenade at
Baghdad's El-Dar El-Bida Caf=E9, where Jews were celebrating Passover.
Four people were seriously injured. That night leaflets were
distributed calling on Jews to leave Iraq immediately. The next day,
many Jews, most of them poor with nothing to lose, jammed emigration
offices to renounce their citizenship and to apply for permission to
leave for Israel. So many applied, in fact, that the police had to
open registration offices in Jewish schools and synagogues.

On May 10, at 3 a.m., a grenade was tossed in the direction of the
display window of the Jewish-owned Beit-Lawi Automobile Company,
destroying part of the building. No casualties were reported.
On June 3, 1950, another grenade was tossed from a speeding car in the
El-Batawin area of Baghdad where most rich Jews and middle class
Iraqis lived. No one was hurt, but following the from Iraq be
increased.

On June 5, at 2:30 a.m., a bomb exploded next to the Jewish-owned
Stanley Shashua building on El-Rashid street, resulting in property
damage but no casualties.

On January 14, 1951, at 7 p.m., a grenade was thrown at a group of
Jews outside the Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue. The explosive struck a
high-voltage cable, electrocuting three Jews, one a young boy, Itzhak
Elmacher, and wounding over 30 others. Following the attack, the
exodus of Jews jumped to between 600-700 per day.

Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set
off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country. The
terrible truth is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews
and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.

Among the most important documents in my book, I believe, are copies
of two leaflets published by the Zionist underground calling on Jews
to leave Iraq. One is dated March 16, 1950, the other April 8, 1950.

The difference between these two is critical. Both indicate the date
of publication, but only the April 8th leaflet notes the time of day:
4 p.m. Why the time of day? Such a specification was unprecedented.
Even the investigating judge, Salaman El-Beit, found it suspicious.
Did the 4 p.m. writers want an alibi for a bombing they knew would
occur five hours later? If so, how did they know about the bombing?
The judge concluded they knew because a connection existed between the
Zionist underground and the bomb throwers.

This, too, was the conclusion of Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former senior
officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), whom I had the
opportunity to meet in New York in 1988. In his book, Ropes of Sand,
whose publication the CIA opposed, Eveland writes:
In attempts to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize
the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service
library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews
to flee to Israel. . . . Although the Iraqi police later provided our
embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings,
as well as the anti-Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaigns, had
been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the
world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of
the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had "rescued" really just in order to
increase Israel's Jewish population."

Eveland doesn't detail the evidence linking the Zionists to the
attacks, but in my book I do. In 1955, for example, I organized in
Israel a panel of Jewish attorneys of Iraqi origin to handle claims of
Iraqi Jews who still had property in Iraq. One well known attorney,
who asked that I not give his name, confided in me that the laboratory
tests in Iraq had confirmed that the anti-American leaflets found at
the American Cultural Center bombing were typed on the same typewriter
and duplicated on the same stenciling machine as the leaflets
distributed by the Zionist movement just before the April 8th bombing.

Tests also showed that the type of explosive used in the Beit-Lawi
attack matched traces of explosives found in the suitcase of an Iraqi
Jew by the name of Yosef Basri. Basri, a lawyer, together with Shalom
Salih, a shoemaker, would be put on trial for the attacks in December
1951 and executed the following month. Both men were members of
Hashura, the military arm of the Zionist underground. Salih ultimately
confessed that he, Basri and a third man, Yosef Habaza, carried out
the attacks.

By the time of the executions in January 1952, all but 6,000 of an
estimated 125,000 Iraqi Jews had fled to Israel. Moreover, the pro-
British, pro-Zionist puppet el-Said saw to it that all of their
possessions were frozen, including their cash assets. (There were ways
of getting Iraqi dinars out, but when the immigrants went to exchange
them in Israel they found that the Israeli government kept 50 percent
of the value.) Even those Iraqi Jews who had not registered to
emigrate, but who happened to be abroad, faced loss of their
nationality if they didn't return within a specified time. An ancient,
cultured, prosperous community had been uprooted and its people
transplanted to a land dominated by East European Jews, whose culture
was not only foreign but entirely hateful to them.

The Ultimate Criminals

Zionist Leaders. From the start they knew that in order to establish a
Jewish state they had to expel the indigenous Palestinian population
to the neighboring Islamic states and import Jews from these same
states.
Theodor Herzl, the architect of Zionism, thought it could be done by
social engineering. In his diary entry for 12 June 1885, he wrote that
Zionist settlers would have to "spirit the penniless population across
the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries,
while denying it any employment in our own country."
Vladimir Jabotinsky, Prime Minister Netanyahu's ideological
progenitor, frankly admitted that such a transfer of populations could
only be brought about by force.
David Ben Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, told a Zionist
Conference in 1937 that any proposed Jewish state would have to
"transfer Arab populations out of the area, if possible of their own
free will, if not by coercion." After 750,000 Palestinians were
uprooted and their lands confiscated in 1948-49, Ben Gurion had to
look to the Islamic countries for Jews who could fill the resultant
cheap labor market. "Emissaries" were smuggled into these countries to
"convince" Jews to leave either by trickery or fear.
In the case of Iraq, both methods were used: uneducated Jews were told
of a Messianic Israel in which the blind see, the lame walk, and
onions grow as big as melons; educated Jews had bombs thrown at them.
A few years after the bombings, in the early 1950s, a book was
published in Iraq, in Arabic, titled Venom of the Zionist Viper. The
author was one of the Iraqi investigators of the 1950-51 bombings and,
in his book, he implicates the Israelis, specifically one of the
emissaries sent by Israel, Mordechai Ben-Porat. As soon as the book
came out, all copies just disappeared, even from libraries. The word
was that agents of the Israeli Mossad, working through the U.S.
Embassy, bought up all the books and destroyed them. I tried on three
different occasions to have one sent to me in Israel, but each time
Israeli censors in the post office intercepted it. British Leaders.
Britain always acted in its best colonial interests. For that reason
Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour sent his famous 1917 letter to Lord
Rothschild in exchange for Zionist support in WW I. During WW II the
British were primarily concerned with keeping their client states in
the Western camp, while Zionists were most concerned with the
immigration of European Jews to Palestine, even if this meant
cooperating with the Nazis. (In my book I document numerous instances
of such dealings by Ben Gurion and the Zionist leadership.) After WW
II the international chessboard pitted communists against capitalists.
In many countries, including the United States and Iraq, Jews
represented a large part of the Communist party. In Iraq, hundreds of
Jews of the working intelligentsia occupied key positions in the
hierarchy of the Communist and Socialist parties. To keep their client
countries in the capitalist camp, Britain had to make sure these
governments had pro-British leaders. And if, as in Iraq, these leaders
were overthrown, then an anti-Jewish riot or two could prove a useful
pretext to invade the capital and reinstate the "right" leaders.
Moreover, if the possibility existed of removing the communist
influence from Iraq by transferring the whole Jewish community to
Israel, well then, why not? Particularly if the leaders of Israel and
Iraq conspired in the deed.

The Iraqi Leaders. Both the regent Abd al-Ilah and his prime minister
Nouri el- Said took directions from London. Toward the end of 1948, el-
Said, who had already met with Israel's Prime Minister Ben Gurion in
Vienna, began discussing with his Iraqi and British associates the
need for an exchange of populations. Iraq would send the Jews in
military trucks to Israel via Jordan, and Iraq would take in some of
the Palestinians Israel had been evicting. His proposal included
mutual confiscation of property. London nixed the idea as too radical.

El-Said then went to his back-up plan and began to create the
conditions that would make the lives of Iraqi Jews so miserable they
would leave for Israel. Jewish government employees were fired from
their jobs; Jewish merchants were denied import/export licenses;
police began to arrest Jews for trivial reasons. Still the Jews did
not leave in any great numbers. In September 1949, Israel sent the spy
Mordechai Ben-Porat, the one mentioned in Venom of the Zionist Viper,
to Iraq. One of the first things Ben-Porat did was to approach el-Said
and promise him financial incentives to have a law enacted that would
lift the citizenship of Iraqi Jews.

Soon after, Zionist and Iraqi representatives began formulating a
rough draft of the bill, according to the model dictated by Israel
through its agents in Baghdad. The bill was passed by the Iraqi
parliament in March 1950. It empowered the government to issue one-
time exit visas to Jews wishing to leave the country. In March, the
bombings began.

Sixteen years later, the Israeli magazine Haolam Hazeh, published by
Uri Avnery, then a Knesset member, accused Ben-Porat of the Baghdad
bombings. Ben-Porat, who would become a Knesset member himself, denied
the charge, but never sued the magazine for libel. And Iraqi Jews in
Israel still call him Morad Abu al-Knabel, Mordechai of the Bombs. As
I said, all this went well beyond the comprehension of a teenager. I
knew Jews were being killed and an organization existed that could
lead us to the Promised Land. So I helped in the exodus to Israel.
Later, on occasions, I would bump into some of these Iraqi Jews in
Israel. Not infrequently they'd express the sentiment that they could
kill me for what I had done.

Opportunities for Peace

After the Israeli attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in October,
1953, Ben Gurion went into voluntary exile at the Sedeh Boker kibbutz
in the Negev. The Labor party then used to organize many buses for
people to go visit him there, where they would see the former prime
minister working with sheep. But that was only for show. Really he was
writing his diary and continuing to be active behind the scenes. I
went on such a tour.

We were told not to try to speak to Ben Gurion, but when I saw him, I
asked why, since Israel is a democracy with a parliament, does it not
have a constitution? Ben Gurion said, "Look, boy"-I was 24 at the
time-"if we have a constitution, we have to write in it the border of
our country. And this is not our border, my dear." I asked, "Then
where is the border?" He said, "Wherever the Sahal will come, this is
the border." Sahal is the Israeli army.

Ben Gurion told the world that Israel accepted the partition and the
Arabs rejected it. Then Israel took half of the land that was promised
to the Arab state. And still he was saying it was not enough. Israel
needed more land. How can a country make peace with its neighbors if
it wants to take their land? How can a country demand to be secure if
it won't say what borders it will be satisfied with? For such a
country, peace would be an inconvenience. I know now that from the
beginning many Arab leaders wanted to make peace with Israel, but
Israel always refused. Ben Gurion covered this up with propaganda. He
said that the Arabs wanted to drive Israel into the sea and he called
Gamal Abdel Nasser the Hitler of the Middle East whose foremost intent
was to destroy Israel. He wanted America and Great Britain to treat
Nasser like a pariah.

In 1954, it seemed that America was getting less critical of Nasser.
Then during a three-week period in July, several terrorist bombs were
set off: at the United States Information Agency offices in Cairo and
Alexandria, a British-owned theater, and the central post office in
Cairo. An attempt to firebomb a cinema in Alexandria failed when the
bomb went off in the pocket of one of the perpetrators. That led to
the discovery that the terrorists were not anti-Western Egyptians, but
were instead Israeli spies bent on souring the warming relationship
between Egypt and the United States in what came to be known as the
Lavon Affair.

Ben Gurion was still living on his kibbutz. Moshe Sharett as prime
minister was in contact with Abdel Nasser through the offices of Lord
Maurice Orbach of Great Britain. Sharett asked Nasser to be lenient
with the captured spies, and Nasser did all that was in his power to
prevent a deterioration of the situation between the two countries.

Then Ben Gurion returned as Defense Minister in February, 1955. Later
that month Israeli troops attacked Egyptian military camps and
Palestinian refugees in Gaza, killing 54 and injuring many more. The
very night of the attack, Lord Orbach was on his way to deliver a
message to Nasser, but was unable to get through because of the
military action. When Orbach telephoned, Nasser's secretary told him
that the attack proved that Israel did not want peace and that he was
wasting his time as a mediator.

In November, Ben Gurion announced in the Knesset that he was willing
to meet with Abdel Nasser anywhere and at any time for the sake of
peace and understanding. The next morning the Israeli military
attacked an Egyptian military camp in the Sabaha region.

Although Nasser felt pessimistic about achieving peace with Israel, he
continued to send other mediators to try. One was through the American
Friends Service Committee; another via the Prime Minister of Malta,
Dom Minthoff; and still another through Marshall Tito of Yugoslavia.
One that looked particularly promising was through Dennis Hamilton,
editor of The London Times. Nasser told Hamilton that if only he could
sit and talk with Ben Gurion for two or three hours, they would be
able to settle the conflict and end the state of war between the two
countries. When word of this reached Ben Gurion, he arranged to meet
with Hamilton. They decided to pursue the matter with the Israeli
ambassador in London, Arthur Luria, as liaison. On Hamilton's third
trip to Egypt, Nasser met him with the text of a Ben Gurion speech
stating that Israel would not give up an inch of land and would not
take back a single refugee. Hamilton knew that Ben Gurion with his
mouth had undermined a peace mission and missed an opportunity to
settle the Israeli-Arab conflict.

Nasser even sent his friend Ibrahim Izat of the Ruz El Yusuf weekly
paper to meet with Israeli leaders in order to explore the political
atmosphere and find out why the attacks were taking place if Israel
really wanted peace. One of the men Izat met with was Yigal Yadin, a
former Chief of Staff of the army who wrote this letter to me on 14
January 1982:

Dear Mr. Giladi:
Your letter reminded me of an event which I nearly forgot and of which
I remember only a few details.

Ibrahim Izat came to me if I am not mistaken under the request of the
Foreign Ministry or one of its branches; he stayed in my house and we
spoke for many hours. I do not remember him saying that he came on a
mission from Nasser, but I have no doubt that he let it be understood
that this was with his knowledge or acquiescence....

When Nasser decided to nationalize the Suez Canal in spite of
opposition from the British and the French, Radio Cairo announced in
Hebrew:

If the Israeli government is not influenced by the British and the
French imperialists, it will eventually result in greater
understanding between the two states, and Egypt will reconsider
Israel's request to have access to the Suez Canal.

Israel responded that it had no designs on Egypt, but at that very
moment Israeli representatives were in France planning the three-way
attack that was to take place in October, 1956. All the while, Ben
Gurion continued to talk about the Hitler of the Middle East. This
brainwashing went on until late September, 1970, when Gamal Abdel
Nasser passed away. Then, miracle of miracles, David Ben Gurion told
the press:

A week before he died I received an envoy from Abdel Nasser who asked
to meet with me urgently in order to solve the problems between Israel
and the Arab world. The public was surprised because they didn't know
that Abdel Nasser had wanted this all along, but Israel sabotaged it.

Nasser was not the only Arab leader who wanted to make peace with
Israel. There were many others. Brigadier General Abdel Karim Qasem,
before he seized power in Iraq in July, 1958, headed an underground
organization that sent a delegation to Israel to make a secret
agreement. Ben Gurion refused even to see him. I learned about this
when I was a journalist in Israel. But whenever I tried to publish
even a small part of it, the censor would stamp it "Not Allowed." Now,
in Netanyahu, we are witnessing another attempt by an Israeli prime
minister to fake an interest in making peace. Netanyahu and the Likud
are setting Arafat up by demanding that he institute more and more
repressive measures in the interest of Israeli "security." Sooner or
later I suspect the Palestinians will have had enough of Arafat's
strong-arm methods as Israel's quisling-and he'll be killed. Then the
Israeli government will say, "See, we were ready to give him
everything. You can't trust those Arabs-they kill each other. Now
there's no one to even talk to about peace."

Conclusion

Alexis de Tocqueville once observed that it is easier for the world to
accept a simple lie than a complex truth. Certainly it has been easier
for the world to accept the Zionist lie that Jews were evicted from
Muslim lands because of anti-Semitism, and that Israelis, never the
Arabs, were the pursuers of peace. The truth is far more discerning:
bigger players on the world stage were pulling the strings.

These players, I believe, should be held accountable for their crimes,
particularly when they willfully terrorized, dispossessed and killed
innocent people on the altar of some ideological imperative.

I believe, too, that the descendants of these leaders have a moral
responsibility to compensate the victims and their descendants, and to
do so not just with reparations, but by setting the historical record
straight.

That is why I established a panel of inquiry in Israel to seek
reparations for Iraqi Jews who had been forced to leave behind their
property and possessions in Iraq. That is why I joined the Black
Panthers in confronting the Israeli government with the grievances of
the Jews in Israel who came from Islamic lands. And that is why I have
written my book and this article: to set the historical record
straight.

We Jews from Islamic lands did not leave our ancestral homes because
of any natural enmity between Jews and Muslims. And we Arabs-I say
Arab because that is the language my wife and I still speak at home-we
Arabs on numerous occasions have sought peace with the State of the
Jews. And finally, as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer, let me say that we
Americans need to stop supporting racial discrimination in Israel and
the cruel expropriation of lands in the West Bank, Gaza, South Lebanon
and the Golan Heights.

ENDNOTES

* Mileshtin was quoted by the Israeli daily, Hadashot, in an article
published August 13, 1993. The writer, Sarah Laybobis-Dar, interviewed
a number of Israelis who had knowledge of the use of bacteriological
weapons in the 1948 war. Mileshtin said bacteria was used to poison
the wells of every village emptied of its Arab inhabitants.
* On Sept. 12, 1990, the New York State Supreme Court issued a
restraining order at the request of the Israeli government to prevent
publication of Ostrovsky's book, "By Way of Deception: The Making and
Unmaking of a Mossad Officer." The New York State Appeals Court lifted
the ban the next day.
* Marion Woolfson, "Prophets in Babylon: Jews in the Arab World," p.
129
* Yosef Meir, "Road in the Desert," Israeli Defense Ministry, p. 36.
* See my book, "Ben Gurion's Scandals," p. 105.
* Wilbur Crane Eveland, "Ropes of Sand: America's Failure in the
Middle East," NY; Norton, 1980, pp. 48-49.
* T. Herzl, "The Complete Diaries," NY: Herzl Press & Thomas Yoncloff,
1960, vol. 1, p. 88.
* Report of the Congress of the World Council of Paole Zion, Zurich,
July 29-August 7, 1937, pp. 73-74.

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The following article, The Jews of Iraq, is the result of an interview
conducted by The Link on March 16, 1998. The article was published in
the ? edition of The Link. The interviewee, Naeim Giladi, an Iraqi Jew
and a former Zionist is the author of "Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the
Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews".

In his book, Ben Gurion's Scandals, Mr. Giladi discusses the crimes
committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import raw Jewish labor.
Newly-vacated farmlands had to be plowed to provide food for the
immigrants and the military ranks had to be filled with conscripts to
defend the illegitimately repossesed lands.

Mr. Giladi couldn't get his book published in Israel, and even in the
U=2ES. he discovered that he could do so only by personally funding the
project.

The Giladis, now U.S. citizens, live in New York City. By choice, they
no longer hold Israeli citizenship. "I am Iraqi," he told The Link,
"born in Iraq, my culture still Iraqi Arabic, my religion Jewish, my
citizenship American."

The Link, honored in 1998 by the International Writers and Artists
Association, is published by Americans for Middle East Understanding
(AMEU).

In the ? edition of The Link, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe looked at
the hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians whose lives were
uprooted to make room for foreigners who would come to populate land
confiscated by the Zionists. Most were Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern
Europe. But over half a million other Jews came from Islamic lands.
Zionist propagandists claim that Israel "rescued" these Jews from
their anti-Jewish, Muslim neighbors. One of those "rescued" Jews,
Naeim Giladi, knows otherwise.

Naeim Giladi: "I write this article for the same reason I wrote my
book: to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that
Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to
force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to
confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected
genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about
what the first Prime Minister of Israel called 'cruel Zionism'. I
write about it because I was part of it."

John F. Mahoney, Executive Director, AMEU: "The Link interviewed Naeim
Giladi, a Jew from Iraq, for three hours on March 16, 1998, two days
prior to his 69th birthday. For nearly two other delightful hours, we
were treated to a multi-course Arabic meal prepared by his wife
Rachael, who is also Iraqi. "It's our Arab culture," he said proudly".
THE JEWS OF IRAQ
By Naeim Giladi

Of course I thought I knew it all back then. I was young, idealistic,
and more than willing to put my life at risk for my convictions. It
was 1947 and I wasn't quite 18 when the Iraqi authorities caught me
for smuggling young Iraqi Jews like myself out of Iraq, into Iran, and
then on to the Promised Land of the soon-to-be established Israel.

I was an Iraqi Jew in the Zionist underground. My Iraqi jailers did
everything they could to extract the names of my co-conspirators.
Fifty years later, pain still throbs in my right toe, a reminder of
the day my captors used pliers to remove my toenails. On another
occasion, they hauled me to the flat roof of the prison, stripped me
bare on a frigid January day, then threw a bucket of cold water over
me. I was left there, chained to the railing, for hours. But I never
once considered giving them the information they wanted. I was a true
believer.

My preoccupation during what I refer to as my "two years in hell" was
with survival and escape. I had no interest then in the broad sweep of
Jewish history in Iraq even though my family had been part of it right
>from the beginning. We were originally Haroons, a large and important
family of the "Babylonian Diaspora." My ancestors had settled in Iraq
more than 2,600 years ago, 600 years before Christianity, and 1,200
years before Islam. I am descended from Jews who built the tomb of
Yehezkel The Prophet Ezekiel, a Jewish prophet of pre-biblical times.
My town, where I was born in 1929, is Hillah, not far from the ancient
site of Babylon.

The original Jews found Babylon, with its nourishing Tigris and
Euphrates rivers, to be truly a land of milk, honey, abundance-and
opportunity. Although Jews, like other minorities in what became Iraq,
experienced periods of oppression and discrimination depending on the
rulers of the period, their general trajectory over two and one-half
millennia was upward. Under the late Ottoman rule, for example, Jewish
social and religious institutions, schools, and medical facilities
flourished without outside interference, and Jews were prominent in
government and business.

As I sat there in my cell, unaware that a death sentence soon would be
handed down against me, I could not have recounted any personal
grievances that my family members would have lodged against the
government or the Muslim majority. Our family had been treated well
and had prospered, first as farmers with some 50,000 acres devoted to
rice, dates and Arab horses.
Then, with the Ottomans, we bought and purified gold that was shipped
to Istanbul and turned into coinage. The Turks were responsible in
fact for changing our name to reflect our occupation-we became
Khalaschi, meaning "Makers of Pure."

I did not volunteer the information to my father that I had joined the
Zionist underground. He found out several months before I was arrested
when he saw me writing Hebrew and using words and expressions
unfamiliar to him. He was even more surprised to learn that, yes, I
had decided I would soon move to Israel myself. He was scornful.
"You'll come back with your tail between your legs," he predicted.

About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into
1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what
I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were
among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel. Although physically I never
did return to Iraq-that bridge had been burned in any event-my heart
has made the journey there many, many times. My father had it right.

I was imprisoned at the military camp of Abu-Greib, about 7 miles from
Baghdad. When the military court handed down my sentence of death by
hanging, I had nothing to lose by attempting the escape I had been
planning for many months.

It was a strange recipe for an escape: a dab of butter, an orange
peel, and some army clothing that I had asked a friend to buy for me
at a flea market. I deliberately ate as much bread as I could to put
on fat in anticipation of the day I became 18, when they could
formally charge me with a crime and attach the 50-pound ball and chain
that was standard prisoner issue.

Later, after my leg had been shackled, I went on a starvation diet
that often left me weak-kneed.The pat of butter was to lubricate my
leg in preparation for extricating it from the metal band.The orange
peel I surreptitiously stuck into the lock on the night of my planned
escape, having studied how it could be placed in such a way as to keep
the lock from closing.

As the jailers turned to go after locking up, I put on the old army
issue that was indistinguishable from what they were wearing-a long,
green coat and a stocking cap that I pulleddown over much of my face
(it was winter). Then I just quietly opened the door and joined the
departing group of soldiers as they strode down the hall and outside,
and I offered a "good night" to the shift guard as I left. A friend
with a car was waiting to speed me away.

Later I made my way to the new state of Israel, arriving in May, 1950.
My passport had my name in Arabic and English, but the English
couldn't capture the "kh" sound, so it was rendered simply as Klaski.
At the border, the immigration people applied the English version,
which had an Eastern European, Ashkenazi ring to it. In one way, this
"mistake" was my key to discovering very soon just how the Israeli
caste system worked.

They asked me where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do. I was the
son of a farmer; I knew allthe problems of the farm, so I volunteered
to go to Dafnah, a farming kibbutz in the high Galilee. I only lasted
a few weeks. The new immigrants were given the worst of everything.
The food was the same, but that was the only thing that everyone had
in common. For the immigrants, bad cigarettes, even bad toothpaste.
Everything. I left.
Then, through the Jewish Agency, I was advised to go to al-Majdal
(later renamed Ashkelon), an Arab town about 9 miles from Gaza, very
close to the Mediterranean. The Israeli government planned to turn it
into a farmers' city, so my farm background would be an asset there.

When I reported to the Labor Office in al-Majdal, they saw that I
could read and write Arabic and Hebrew and they said that I could find
a good-paying job with the Military Governor's office.The Arabs were
under the authority of these Israeli Military Governors. A clerk
handed me a bunch of forms in Arabic and Hebrew. Now it dawned on me.
Before Israel could establish its farmers' city, it had to rid al-
Majdal of its indigenous Palestinians. The forms were petitions to the
United Nations Inspectors asking for transfer out of Israel to Gaza,
which was under Egyptian control.

I read over the petition. In signing, the Palestinian would be saying
that he was of sound mind and body and was making the request for
transfer free of pressure or duress. Of course, there was no way that
they would leave without being pressured to do so. These families had
been there hundreds of years, as farmers, primitive artisans, weavers.
The Military Governor prohibited them from pursuing their livelihoods,
just penned them up until they lost hope of resuming their normal
lives. That's when they signed to leave.

I was there and heard their grief. "Our hearts are in pain when we
look at the orange trees that we planted with our own hands. Please
let us go, let us give water to those trees. God will not be pleased
with us if we leave His trees untended." I asked the Military Governor
to give them relief, but he said, "No, we want them to leave." I could
no longer be part of this oppression and I left. Those Palestinians
who didn't sign up for transfers were taken by force-just put in
trucks and dumped in Gaza. About four thousand people were driven from
al-Majdal in one way or another. The few who remained were
collaborators with the Israeli authorities.

Subsequently, I wrote letters trying to get a government job elsewhere
and I got many immediate responses asking me to come for an interview.
Then they would discover that my face didn't match my Polish/Ashkenazi
name. They would ask if I spoke Yiddish or Polish, and when I said I
didn't, they would ask where I came by a Polish name. Desperate for a
good job, I would usually say that I thought my great-grandfather was
>from Poland. I was advised time and again that "we'll give you a
call."

Eventually, three to four years after coming to Israel, I changed my
name to Giladi, which is close to the code name, Gilad, that I had in
the Zionist underground. Klaski wasn't doing me any good anyway, and
my Eastern friends were always chiding me about the name they knew
didn't go with my origins as an Iraqi Jew.
I was disillusioned at what I found in the Promised Land,
disillusioned personally, disillusioned at the institutionalized
racism, disillusioned at what I was beginning to learn about Zionism's
cruelties. The principal interest Israel had in Jews from Islamic
countries was as a supply of cheap labor, especially for the farm work
that was beneath the urbanized Eastern European Jews. Ben Gurion
needed the "Oriental" Jews to farm the thousands of acres of land left
by Palestinians who were driven out by Israeli forces in 1948.

And I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the
fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils
today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was
probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948
war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations,
often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed
Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return
to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis
put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.

Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force,
has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents.
According to Mileshtin, Moshe Dayan, a division commander at the time,
gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze
their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery
bacteria.

Acre was so situated that it could practically defend itself with one
big gun, so the Haganah put bacteria into the spring that fed the
town. The spring was called Capri and it ran from the north near a
kibbutz. The Haganah put typhus bacteria into the water going to Acre,
the people got sick, and the Jewish forces occupied Acre. This worked
so well that they sent a Haganah division dressed as Arabs into Gaza,
where there were Egyptian forces, and the Egyptians caught them
putting two cans of bacteria, typhus and dysentery, into the water
supply in wanton disregard of the civilian population. "In war, there
is no sentiment," one of the captured Haganah men was quoted as
saying.

My activism in Israel began shortly after I received a letter from the
Socialist/Zionist Party asking me to help with their Arabic newspaper.
When I showed up at their offices at Central Housein Tel Aviv, I asked
around to see just where I should report. I showed the letter to a
couple of people there and, without even looking at it, they would
motion me away with the words, "Room No. 8." When I saw that they
weren't even reading the letter, I inquired of several others.But the
response was the same, "Room No. 8," with not a glance at the paper I
put in front of them.

So I went to Room 8 and saw that it was the Department of Jews from
Islamic Countries. I was disgusted and angry. Either I am a member of
the party or I'm not. Do I have a different ideology or different
politics because I am an Arab Jew? It's segregation, I thought, just
like a Negroes' Department. I turned around and walked out. That was
the start of my open protests. That same year I organized a
demonstration in Ashkelon against Ben Gurion's racist policies and
10,000 people turned out.

There wasn't much opportunity for those of us who were second class
citizens to do much about it when Israel was on a war footing with
outside enemies. After the 1967 war, I was in the Army myself and
served in the Sinai when there was continued fighting along the Suez
Canal. But the cease-fire with Egypt in 1970 gave us our opening. We
took to the streets and organized politically to demand equal rights.
If it's our country, if we were expected to risk our lives in a border
war, then we expected equal treatment.

We mounted the struggle so tenaciously and received so much publicity
that the Israeli government tried to discredit our movement by calling
us "Israel's Black Panthers." They were thinking in racist terms,
really, in assuming the Israeli public would reject an organization
whose ideology was being compared to that of radical blacks in the
United States. But we saw that what we were doing was no different
than what blacks in the United States were fighting against-
segregation, discrimination, unequal treatment. Rather than reject the
label, we adopted it proudly. I had posters of Martin Luther King,
Malcolm X, Nelson Mandela and other civil rights activists plastered
all over my office.

With the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli-condoned Sabra
and Shatilla massacres, I had had enough of Israel. I became a United
States citizen and made certain to revoke my Israeli citizenship. I
could never have written and published my book in Israel, not with the
censorship they would impose.
Even in America, I had great difficulty finding a publisher because
many are subject to pressures of one kind or another from Israel and
its friends. I ended up paying $60,000 from my own pocket to publish
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews,
virtually the entire proceeds from having sold my house in Israel.

I still was afraid that the printer would back out or that legal
proceedings would be initiated to stop its publication, like the
Israeli government did in an attempt to prevent former Mossad case
officer Victor Ostrovsky from publishing his first book. Ben Gurion's
Scandals had to be translated into English from two languages. I wrote
in Hebrew when I was in Israel and hoped to publish the book there,
and I wrote in Arabic when I was completing the book after coming to
theU.S. But I was so worried that something would stop publication
that I told the printer not to wait for the translations to be
thoroughly checked and proofread. Now I realize that the publicity of
a lawsuit would just have created a controversial interest in the
book.

I am using bank vault storage for the valuable documents that back up
what I have written. These documents, including some that I illegally
copied from the archives at Yad Vashem, confirm what I saw myself,
what I was told by other witnesses, and what reputable historians and
others have written concerning the Zionist bombings in Iraq, Arab
peace overtures that were rebuffed, and incidents of violence and
death inflicted by Jews on Jews in the cause of creating Israel.

The Riots of 1941

If, as I have said, my family in Iraq was not persecuted personally
and I knew no deprivation as a member of the Jewish minority, what led
me to the steps of the gallows as a member of the Zionist underground?
To answer that question, it is necessary to establish the context of
the massacre that occurred in Baghdad on June 1, 1941, when several
hundred Iraqi Jews were killed in riots involving junior officers of
the Iraqi army. I was 12 years of age and many of those killed were my
friends. I was angry, and very confused.

What I didn't know at the time was that the riots most likely were
stirred up by the British, in collusion with a pro-British Iraqi
leadership.

With the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following WW I, Iraq came under
British "tutelage." Amir Faisal, son of Sharif Hussein who had led the
Arab Revolt against the Ottoman sultan, was brought in from Mecca by
the British to become King of Iraq in 1921. Many Jews were appointed
to key administrative posts, including that of economics minister.
Britain retained final authority over domestic and external affairs.
Britain's pro-Zionist attitude in Palestine, however, triggered a
growing anti-Zionist backlash in Iraq, as it did in all Arab
countries. Writing at the end of 1934, Sir Francis Humphreys,
Britain's Ambassador in Baghdad, noted that, while before WWI Iraqi
Jews had enjoyed a more favorable position than any other minority in
the country, since then "Zionism has sown dissension between Jews and
Arabs, and a bitterness has grown up between the two peoples which did
not previously exist."

King Faisal died in 1933. He was succeeded by his son Ghazi, who died
in a motor car accident in 1939. The crown then passed to Ghazi's 4-
year-old son, Faisal II, whose uncle, Abd al-Ilah, was named regent.
Abd al-Ilah selected Nouri el-Said as prime minister. El-Said
supported the British and, as hatred of the British grew, he was
forced from office in March 1940 by four senior army officers who
advocated Iraq's independence from Britain. Calling themselves the
Golden Square, the officers compelled the regent to name as prime
minister Rashid Ali al-Kilani, leader of the National Brotherhood
party.

The time was 1940 and Britain was reeling from a strong German
offensive. Al-Kilani and the Golden Square saw this as their
opportunity to rid themselves of the British once and for all.
Cautiously they began to negotiate for German support, which led the
pro-British regent Abd al-Ilah to dismiss al-Kilani in January 1941.
By April, however, the Golden Square officers had reinstated the Prime
Minister.

This provoked the British to send a military force into Basra on April
12, 1941. Basra, Iraq's second largest city, had a Jewish population
of 30,000. Most of these Jews made their livings from import/export,
money changing, retailing, as workers in the airports, railways, and
ports, or as senior government employees.

On the same day, April 12, supporters of the pro-British regent
notified the Jewish leaders that the regent wanted to meet with them.
As was their custom, the leaders brought flowers for the regent.
Contrary to custom, however, the cars that drove them to the meeting
place dropped them off at the site where the British soldiers were
concentrated.

Photographs of the Jews appeared in the following day's newspapers
with the banner "Basra Jews Receive British Troops with Flowers." That
same day, April 13, groups of angry Arab youths set about to take
revenge against the Jews. Several Muslim notables in Basra heard of
the plan and calmed things down. Later, it was learned that the regent
was not in Basra at all and that the matter was a provocation by his
pro-British supporters to bring about an ethnic war in order to give
the British army a pretext to intervene.

The British continued to land more forces in and around Basra. On May
7, 1941, their Gurkha unit, composed of Indian soldiers from that
ethnic group, occupied Basra's el-Oshar quarter, a neighborhood with a
large Jewish population. The soldiers, led by British officers, began
looting. Many shops in the commercial district were plundered. Private
homes were broken into. Cases of attempted rape were reported. Local
residents, Jews and Muslims, responded with pistols and old rifles,
but their bullets were no match for the soldiers' Tommy Guns.
Afterwards, it was learned that the soldiers acted with the
acquiescence, if not the blessing, of their British commanders. (It
should be remembered that the Indian soldiers, especially those of the
Gurkha unit, were known for their discipline, and it is highly
unlikely they would have acted so riotously without orders.) The
British goal clearly was to create chaos and to blacken the image of
the pro-nationalist regime in Baghdad, thereby giving the British
forces reason to proceed to the capital and to overthrow the al-Kilani
government.

Baghdad fell on May 30. Al-Kilani fled to Iran, along with the Golden
Square officers. Radio stations run by the British reported that
Regent Abd al-Ilah would be returning to the city and that thousands
of Jews and others were planning to welcome him. What inflamed young
Iraqis against the Jews most, however, was the radio announcer Yunas
Bahri on the German station "Berlin," who reported in Arabic that Jews
>from Palestine were fighting alongside the British against Iraqi
soldiers near the city of Faluja. The report was false.

On Sunday, June 1, unarmed fighting broke out in Baghdad between Jews
who were still celebrating their Shabuoth holiday and young Iraqis who
thought the Jews were celebrating the return of the pro-British
regent. That evening, a group of Iraqis stopped a bus, removed the
Jewish passengers,murdered one and fatally wounded a second.

About 8:30 the following morning, some 30 individuals in military and
police uniforms opened fire along el-Amin street, a small downtown
street whose jewelry, tailor and grocery shops were Jewish-owned. By
11 a.m., mobs of Iraqis with knives, switchblades and clubs were
attacking Jewish homes in the area.

The riots continued throughout Monday, June 2. During this time, many
Muslims rose to defend their Jewish neighbors, while some Jews
successfully defended themselves. There were 124 killed and 400
injured, according to a report written by a Jewish Agency messenger
who was in Iraq at the time. Other estimates, possibly less reliable,
put the death toll higher, as many as 500, with from 650 to 2,000
injured. From 500 to 1,300 stores and more than 1,000 homes and
apartments were looted.

Who was behind the rioting in the Jewish quarter? Yosef Meir, one of
the most prominent activists in the Zionist underground movement in
Iraq, known then as Yehoshafat, claims it was the British. Meir, who
now works for the Israeli Defense Ministry, argues that, in order to
make it appear that the regent was returning as the savior who would
reestablish law and order, the British stirred up the riots against
the most vulnerable and visible segment in the city, the Jews. And,
not surprisingly, the riots ended as soon as the regent's loyal
soldiers entered the capital.

My own investigations as a journalist lead me to believe Meir is
correct. Furthermore, I think his claims should be seen as based on
documents in the archives of the Israeli Defense Ministry, the agency
that published his book. Yet, even before his book came out, I had
independent confirmation from a man I met in Iran in the late Forties.

His name was Michael Timosian, an Iraqi Armenian. When I met him he
was working as a male nurse at the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company in Abadan
in the south of Iran. On June 2, 1941, however, he wasworking at the
Baghdad hospital where many of the riot victims were brought. Most of
these victims were Jews.
Timosian said he was particularly interested in two patients whose
conduct did not follow local custom. One had been hit by a bullet in
his shoulder, the other by a bullet in his right knee. After the
doctor removed the bullets, the staff tried to change their blood-
soaked cloths. But the two men fought off their efforts, pretending to
be speechless, although tests showed they could hear. To pacify them,
the doctor injected them with anesthetics and, as they were
sleeping,Timosian changed their cloths. He discovered that one of them
had around his neck an identification tag of the type used by British
troops, while the other had tattoos with Indian script on his right
arm along with the familiar sword of the Gurkha.

The next day when Timosian showed up for work, he was told that a
British officer, his sergeant and two Indian Gurkha soldiers had come
to the hospital early that morning. Staff members overheard the Gurkha
soldiers talking with the wounded patients, who were not as dumb as
they had pretended. The patients saluted the visitors, covered
themselves with sheets and, without signing the required release
forms, left the hospital with their visitors.

Today there is no doubt in my mind that the anti-Jewish riots of 1941
were orchestrated by the British for geopolitical ends. David Kimche
is certainly a man who was in a position to know the truth, and he has
spoken publicly about British culpability. Kimche had been with
British Intelligence during WW II and with the Mossad after the war.
Later he became Director General of Israel's Foreign Ministry, the
position he held in 1982 when he addressed a forum at the British
Institute for International Affairs in London.

In responding to hostile questions about Israel's invasion of Lebanon
and the refugee camp massacres in Beirut, Kimche went on the attack,
reminding the audience that there was scant concern in the British
Foreign Office when British Gurkha units participated in the murder of
500 Jews in the streets of Baghdad in 1941.

The Bombings of 1950-1951

The anti-Jewish riots of 1941 did more than create a pretext for the
British to enter Baghdad to reinstate the pro-British regent and his
pro-British prime minister, Nouri el-Said. They also gave the Zionists
in Palestine a pretext to set up a Zionist underground in Iraq, first
in Baghdad, then in other cities such as Basra, Amara, Hillah,
Diwaneia, Abril and Karkouk.

Following WWII, a succession of governments held brief power in Iraq.
Zionist conquests in Palestine, particularly the massacre of
Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin, emboldened the anti-
British movement in Iraq. When the Iraqi government signed a new
treaty of friendship with London in January 1948, riots broke out all
over the country. The treaty was quickly abandoned and Baghdad
demanded removal of the British military mission that had run Iraq's
army for 27 years.

Later in 1948, Baghdad sent an army detachment to Palestine to fight
the Zionists, and when Israel declared independence in May, Iraq
closed the pipeline that fed its oil to Haifa's refinery. Abd al-Ilah,
however, was still regent and the British quisling, Nouri el-Said, was
back as prime minister. I was in the Abu-Greib prison in 1948, where I
would remain until my escape to Iran in September 1949.

Six months later-the exact date was March 19, 1950-a bomb went off at
the American Cultural Center and Library in Baghdad, causing property
damage and injuring a number of people. The center was a favorite
meeting place for young Jews.

The first bomb thrown directly at Jews occurred on April 8, 1950, at
9:15 p.m. A car with three young passengers hurled the grenade at
Baghdad's El-Dar El-Bida Caf=E9, where Jews were celebrating Passover.
Four people were seriously injured. That night leaflets were
distributed calling on Jews to leave Iraq immediately. The next day,
many Jews, most of them poor with nothing to lose, jammed emigration
offices to renounce their citizenship and to apply for permission to
leave for Israel. So many applied, in fact, that the police had to
open registration offices in Jewish schools and synagogues.

On May 10, at 3 a.m., a grenade was tossed in the direction of the
display window of the Jewish-owned Beit-Lawi Automobile Company,
destroying part of the building. No casualties were reported.
On June 3, 1950, another grenade was tossed from a speeding car in the
El-Batawin area of Baghdad where most rich Jews and middle class
Iraqis lived. No one was hurt, but following the from Iraq be
increased.

On June 5, at 2:30 a.m., a bomb exploded next to the Jewish-owned
Stanley Shashua building on El-Rashid street, resulting in property
damage but no casualties.

On January 14, 1951, at 7 p.m., a grenade was thrown at a group of
Jews outside the Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue. The explosive struck a
high-voltage cable, electrocuting three Jews, one a young boy, Itzhak
Elmacher, and wounding over 30 others. Following the attack, the
exodus of Jews jumped to between 600-700 per day.

Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set
off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country. The
terrible truth is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews
and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.

Among the most important documents in my book, I believe, are copies
of two leaflets published by the Zionist underground calling on Jews
to leave Iraq. One is dated March 16, 1950, the other April 8, 1950.

The difference between these two is critical. Both indicate the date
of publication, but only the April 8th leaflet notes the time of day:
4 p.m. Why the time of day? Such a specification was unprecedented.
Even the investigating judge, Salaman El-Beit, found it suspicious.
Did the 4 p.m. writers want an alibi for a bombing they knew would
occur five hours later? If so, how did they know about the bombing?
The judge concluded they knew because a connection existed between the
Zionist underground and the bomb throwers.

This, too, was the conclusion of Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former senior
officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), whom I had the
opportunity to meet in New York in 1988. In his book, Ropes of Sand,
whose publication the CIA opposed, Eveland writes:
In attempts to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize
the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service
library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews
to flee to Israel. . . . Although the Iraqi police later provided our
embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings,
as well as the anti-Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaigns, had
been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the
world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of
the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had "rescued" really just in order to
increase Israel's Jewish population."

Eveland doesn't detail the evidence linking the Zionists to the
attacks, but in my book I do. In 1955, for example, I organized in
Israel a panel of Jewish attorneys of Iraqi origin to handle claims of
Iraqi Jews who still had property in Iraq. One well known attorney,
who asked that I not give his name, confided in me that the laboratory
tests in Iraq had confirmed that the anti-American leaflets found at
the American Cultural Center bombing were typed on the same typewriter
and duplicated on the same stenciling machine as the leaflets
distributed by the Zionist movement just before the April 8th bombing.

Tests also showed that the type of explosive used in the Beit-Lawi
attack matched traces of explosives found in the suitcase of an Iraqi
Jew by the name of Yosef Basri. Basri, a lawyer, together with Shalom
Salih, a shoemaker, would be put on trial for the attacks in December
1951 and executed the following month. Both men were members of
Hashura, the military arm of the Zionist underground. Salih ultimately
confessed that he, Basri and a third man, Yosef Habaza, carried out
the attacks.

By the time of the executions in January 1952, all but 6,000 of an
estimated 125,000 Iraqi Jews had fled to Israel. Moreover, the pro-
British, pro-Zionist puppet el-Said saw to it that all of their
possessions were frozen, including their cash assets. (There were ways
of getting Iraqi dinars out, but when the immigrants went to exchange
them in Israel they found that the Israeli government kept 50 percent
of the value.) Even those Iraqi Jews who had not registered to
emigrate, but who happened to be abroad, faced loss of their
nationality if they didn't return within a specified time. An ancient,
cultured, prosperous community had been uprooted and its people
transplanted to a land dominated by East European Jews, whose culture
was not only foreign but entirely hateful to them.

The Ultimate Criminals

Zionist Leaders. From the start they knew that in order to establish a
Jewish state they had to expel the indigenous Palestinian population
to the neighboring Islamic states and import Jews from these same
states.
Theodor Herzl, the architect of Zionism, thought it could be done by
social engineering. In his diary entry for 12 June 1885, he wrote that
Zionist settlers would have to "spirit the penniless population across
the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries,
while denying it any employment in our own country."
Vladimir Jabotinsky, Prime Minister Netanyahu's ideological
progenitor, frankly admitted that such a transfer of populations could
only be brought about by force.
David Ben Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, told a Zionist
Conference in 1937 that any proposed Jewish state would have to
"transfer Arab populations out of the area, if possible of their own
free will, if not by coercion." After 750,000 Palestinians were
uprooted and their lands confiscated in 1948-49, Ben Gurion had to
look to the Islamic countries for Jews who could fill the resultant
cheap labor market. "Emissaries" were smuggled into these countries to
"convince" Jews to leave either by trickery or fear.
In the case of Iraq, both methods were used: uneducated Jews were told
of a Messianic Israel in which the blind see, the lame walk, and
onions grow as big as melons; educated Jews had bombs thrown at them.
A few years after the bombings, in the early 1950s, a book was
published in Iraq, in Arabic, titled Venom of the Zionist Viper. The
author was one of the Iraqi investigators of the 1950-51 bombings and,
in his book, he implicates the Israelis, specifically one of the
emissaries sent by Israel, Mordechai Ben-Porat. As soon as the book
came out, all copies just disappeared, even from libraries. The word
was that agents of the Israeli Mossad, working through the U.S.
Embassy, bought up all the books and destroyed them. I tried on three
different occasions to have one sent to me in Israel, but each time
Israeli censors in the post office intercepted it. British Leaders.
Britain always acted in its best colonial interests. For that reason
Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour sent his famous 1917 letter to Lord
Rothschild in exchange for Zionist support in WW I. During WW II the
British were primarily concerned with keeping their client states in
the Western camp, while Zionists were most concerned with the
immigration of European Jews to Palestine, even if this meant
cooperating with the Nazis. (In my book I document numerous instances
of such dealings by Ben Gurion and the Zionist leadership.) After WW
II the international chessboard pitted communists against capitalists.
In many countries, including the United States and Iraq, Jews
represented a large part of the Communist party. In Iraq, hundreds of
Jews of the working intelligentsia occupied key positions in the
hierarchy of the Communist and Socialist parties. To keep their client
countries in the capitalist camp, Britain had to make sure these
governments had pro-British leaders. And if, as in Iraq, these leaders
were overthrown, then an anti-Jewish riot or two could prove a useful
pretext to invade the capital and reinstate the "right" leaders.
Moreover, if the possibility existed of removing the communist
influence from Iraq by transferring the whole Jewish community to
Israel, well then, why not? Particularly if the leaders of Israel and
Iraq conspired in the deed.

The Iraqi Leaders. Both the regent Abd al-Ilah and his prime minister
Nouri el- Said took directions from London. Toward the end of 1948, el-
Said, who had already met with Israel's Prime Minister Ben Gurion in
Vienna, began discussing with his Iraqi and British associates the
need for an exchange of populations. Iraq would send the Jews in
military trucks to Israel via Jordan, and Iraq would take in some of
the Palestinians Israel had been evicting. His proposal included
mutual confiscation of property. London nixed the idea as too radical.

El-Said then went to his back-up plan and began to create the
conditions that would make the lives of Iraqi Jews so miserable they
would leave for Israel. Jewish government employees were fired from
their jobs; Jewish merchants were denied import/export licenses;
police began to arrest Jews for trivial reasons. Still the Jews did
not leave in any great numbers. In September 1949, Israel sent the spy
Mordechai Ben-Porat, the one mentioned in Venom of the Zionist Viper,
to Iraq. One of the first things Ben-Porat did was to approach el-Said
and promise him financial incentives to have a law enacted that would
lift the citizenship of Iraqi Jews.

Soon after, Zionist and Iraqi representatives began formulating a
rough draft of the bill, according to the model dictated by Israel
through its agents in Baghdad. The bill was passed by the Iraqi
parliament in March 1950. It empowered the government to issue one-
time exit visas to Jews wishing to leave the country. In March, the
bombings began.

Sixteen years later, the Israeli magazine Haolam Hazeh, published by
Uri Avnery, then a Knesset member, accused Ben-Porat of the Baghdad
bombings. Ben-Porat, who would become a Knesset member himself, denied
the charge, but never sued the magazine for libel. And Iraqi Jews in
Israel still call him Morad Abu al-Knabel, Mordechai of the Bombs. As
I said, all this went well beyond the comprehension of a teenager. I
knew Jews were being killed and an organization existed that could
lead us to the Promised Land. So I helped in the exodus to Israel.
Later, on occasions, I would bump into some of these Iraqi Jews in
Israel. Not infrequently they'd express the sentiment that they could
kill me for what I had done.

Opportunities for Peace

After the Israeli attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in October,
1953, Ben Gurion went into voluntary exile at the Sedeh Boker kibbutz
in the Negev. The Labor party then used to organize many buses for
people to go visit him there, where they would see the former prime
minister working with sheep. But that was only for show. Really he was
writing his diary and continuing to be active behind the scenes. I
went on such a tour.

We were told not to try to speak to Ben Gurion, but when I saw him, I
asked why, since Israel is a democracy with a parliament, does it not
have a constitution? Ben Gurion said, "Look, boy"-I was 24 at the
time-"if we have a constitution, we have to write in it the border of
our country. And this is not our border, my dear." I asked, "Then
where is the border?" He said, "Wherever the Sahal will come, this is
the border." Sahal is the Israeli army.

Ben Gurion told the world that Israel accepted the partition and the
Arabs rejected it. Then Israel took half of the land that was promised
to the Arab state. And still he was saying it was not enough. Israel
needed more land. How can a country make peace with its neighbors if
it wants to take their land? How can a country demand to be secure if
it won't say what borders it will be satisfied with? For such a
country, peace would be an inconvenience. I know now that from the
beginning many Arab leaders wanted to make peace with Israel, but
Israel always refused. Ben Gurion covered this up with propaganda. He
said that the Arabs wanted to drive Israel into the sea and he called
Gamal Abdel Nasser the Hitler of the Middle East whose foremost intent
was to destroy Israel. He wanted America and Great Britain to treat
Nasser like a pariah.

In 1954, it seemed that America was getting less critical of Nasser.
Then during a three-week period in July, several terrorist bombs were
set off: at the United States Information Agency offices in Cairo and
Alexandria, a British-owned theater, and the central post office in
Cairo. An attempt to firebomb a cinema in Alexandria failed when the
bomb went off in the pocket of one of the perpetrators. That led to
the discovery that the terrorists were not anti-Western Egyptians, but
were instead Israeli spies bent on souring the warming relationship
between Egypt and the United States in what came to be known as the
Lavon Affair.

Ben Gurion was still living on his kibbutz. Moshe Sharett as prime
minister was in contact with Abdel Nasser through the offices of Lord
Maurice Orbach of Great Britain. Sharett asked Nasser to be lenient
with the captured spies, and Nasser did all that was in his power to
prevent a deterioration of the situation between the two countries.

Then Ben Gurion returned as Defense Minister in February, 1955. Later
that month Israeli troops attacked Egyptian military camps and
Palestinian refugees in Gaza, killing 54 and injuring many more. The
very night of the attack, Lord Orbach was on his way to deliver a
message to Nasser, but was unable to get through because of the
military action. When Orbach telephoned, Nasser's secretary told him
that the attack proved that Israel did not want peace and that he was
wasting his time as a mediator.

In November, Ben Gurion announced in the Knesset that he was willing
to meet with Abdel Nasser anywhere and at any time for the sake of
peace and understanding. The next morning the Israeli military
attacked an Egyptian military camp in the Sabaha region.

Although Nasser felt pessimistic about achieving peace with Israel, he
continued to send other mediators to try. One was through the American
Friends Service Committee; another via the Prime Minister of Malta,
Dom Minthoff; and still another through Marshall Tito of Yugoslavia.
One that looked particularly promising was through Dennis Hamilton,
editor of The London Times. Nasser told Hamilton that if only he could
sit and talk with Ben Gurion for two or three hours, they would be
able to settle the conflict and end the state of war between the two
countries. When word of this reached Ben Gurion, he arranged to meet
with Hamilton. They decided to pursue the matter with the Israeli
ambassador in London, Arthur Luria, as liaison. On Hamilton's third
trip to Egypt, Nasser met him with the text of a Ben Gurion speech
stating that Israel would not give up an inch of land and would not
take back a single refugee. Hamilton knew that Ben Gurion with his
mouth had undermined a peace mission and missed an opportunity to
settle the Israeli-Arab conflict.

Nasser even sent his friend Ibrahim Izat of the Ruz El Yusuf weekly
paper to meet with Israeli leaders in order to explore the political
atmosphere and find out why the attacks were taking place if Israel
really wanted peace. One of the men Izat met with was Yigal Yadin, a
former Chief of Staff of the army who wrote this letter to me on 14
January 1982:

Dear Mr. Giladi:
Your letter reminded me of an event which I nearly forgot and of which
I remember only a few details.

Ibrahim Izat came to me if I am not mistaken under the request of the
Foreign Ministry or one of its branches; he stayed in my house and we
spoke for many hours. I do not remember him saying that he came on a
mission from Nasser, but I have no doubt that he let it be understood
that this was with his knowledge or acquiescence....

When Nasser decided to nationalize the Suez Canal in spite of
opposition from the British and the French, Radio Cairo announced in
Hebrew:

If the Israeli government is not influenced by the British and the
French imperialists, it will eventually result in greater
understanding between the two states, and Egypt will reconsider
Israel's request to have access to the Suez Canal.

Israel responded that it had no designs on Egypt, but at that very
moment Israeli representatives were in France planning the three-way
attack that was to take place in October, 1956. All the while, Ben
Gurion continued to talk about the Hitler of the Middle East. This
brainwashing went on until late September, 1970, when Gamal Abdel
Nasser passed away. Then, miracle of miracles, David Ben Gurion told
the press:

A week before he died I received an envoy from Abdel Nasser who asked
to meet with me urgently in order to solve the problems between Israel
and the Arab world. The public was surprised because they didn't know
that Abdel Nasser had wanted this all along, but Israel sabotaged it.

Nasser was not the only Arab leader who wanted to make peace with
Israel. There were many others. Brigadier General Abdel Karim Qasem,
before he seized power in Iraq in July, 1958, headed an underground
organization that sent a delegation to Israel to make a secret
agreement. Ben Gurion refused even to see him. I learned about this
when I was a journalist in Israel. But whenever I tried to publish
even a small part of it, the censor would stamp it "Not Allowed." Now,
in Netanyahu, we are witnessing another attempt by an Israeli prime
minister to fake an interest in making peace. Netanyahu and the Likud
are setting Arafat up by demanding that he institute more and more
repressive measures in the interest of Israeli "security." Sooner or
later I suspect the Palestinians will have had enough of Arafat's
strong-arm methods as Israel's quisling-and he'll be killed. Then the
Israeli government will say, "See, we were ready to give him
everything. You can't trust those Arabs-they kill each other. Now
there's no one to even talk to about peace."

Conclusion

Alexis de Tocqueville once observed that it is easier for the world to
accept a simple lie than a complex truth. Certainly it has been easier
for the world to accept the Zionist lie that Jews were evicted from
Muslim lands because of anti-Semitism, and that Israelis, never the
Arabs, were the pursuers of peace. The truth is far more discerning:
bigger players on the world stage were pulling the strings.

These players, I believe, should be held accountable for their crimes,
particularly when they willfully terrorized, dispossessed and killed
innocent people on the altar of some ideological imperative.

I believe, too, that the descendants of these leaders have a moral
responsibility to compensate the victims and their descendants, and to
do so not just with reparations, but by setting the historical record
straight.

That is why I established a panel of inquiry in Israel to seek
reparations for Iraqi Jews who had been forced to leave behind their
property and possessions in Iraq. That is why I joined the Black
Panthers in confronting the Israeli government with the grievances of
the Jews in Israel who came from Islamic lands. And that is why I have
written my book and this article: to set the historical record
straight.

We Jews from Islamic lands did not leave our ancestral homes because
of any natural enmity between Jews and Muslims. And we Arabs-I say
Arab because that is the language my wife and I still speak at home-we
Arabs on numerous occasions have sought peace with the State of the
Jews. And finally, as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer, let me say that we
Americans need to stop supporting racial discrimination in Israel and
the cruel expropriation of lands in the West Bank, Gaza, South Lebanon
and the Golan Heights.

ENDNOTES

* Mileshtin was quoted by the Israeli daily, Hadashot, in an article
published August 13, 1993. The writer, Sarah Laybobis-Dar, interviewed
a number of Israelis who had knowledge of the use of bacteriological
weapons in the 1948 war. Mileshtin said bacteria was used to poison
the wells of every village emptied of its Arab inhabitants.
* On Sept. 12, 1990, the New York State Supreme Court issued a
restraining order at the request of the Israeli government to prevent
publication of Ostrovsky's book, "By Way of Deception: The Making and
Unmaking of a Mossad Officer." The New York State Appeals Court lifted
the ban the next day.
* Marion Woolfson, "Prophets in Babylon: Jews in the Arab World," p.
129
* Yosef Meir, "Road in the Desert," Israeli Defense Ministry, p. 36.
* See my book, "Ben Gurion's Scandals," p. 105.
* Wilbur Crane Eveland, "Ropes of Sand: America's Failure in the
Middle East," NY; Norton, 1980, pp. 48-49.
* T. Herzl, "The Complete Diaries," NY: Herzl Press & Thomas Yoncloff,
1960, vol. 1, p. 88.
* Report of the Congress of the World Council of Paole Zion, Zurich,
July 29-August 7, 1937, pp. 73-74.

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 The following article, The Jews of Iraq, is the result of an
interview conducted by The Link on March 16, 1998. The article was
published in the ? edition of The Link. The interviewee, Naeim Giladi,
an Iraqi Jew and a former Zionist is the author of "Ben Gurion's
Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews".

In his book, Ben Gurion's Scandals, Mr. Giladi discusses the crimes
committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import raw Jewish labor.
Newly-vacated farmlands had to be plowed to provide food for the
immigrants and the military ranks had to be filled with conscripts to
defend the illegitimately repossesed lands.

Mr. Giladi couldn't get his book published in Israel, and even in the
U=2ES. he discovered that he could do so only by personally funding the
project.

The Giladis, now U.S. citizens, live in New York City. By choice, they
no longer hold Israeli citizenship. "I am Iraqi," he told The Link,
"born in Iraq, my culture still Iraqi Arabic, my religion Jewish, my
citizenship American."

The Link, honored in 1998 by the International Writers and Artists
Association, is published by Americans for Middle East Understanding
(AMEU).

In the ? edition of The Link, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe looked at
the hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians whose lives were
uprooted to make room for foreigners who would come to populate land
confiscated by the Zionists. Most were Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern
Europe. But over half a million other Jews came from Islamic lands.
Zionist propagandists claim that Israel "rescued" these Jews from
their anti-Jewish, Muslim neighbors. One of those "rescued" Jews,
Naeim Giladi, knows otherwise.

Naeim Giladi: "I write this article for the same reason I wrote my
book: to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that
Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to
force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to
confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected
genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about
what the first Prime Minister of Israel called 'cruel Zionism'. I
write about it because I was part of it."

John F. Mahoney, Executive Director, AMEU: "The Link interviewed Naeim
Giladi, a Jew from Iraq, for three hours on March 16, 1998, two days
prior to his 69th birthday. For nearly two other delightful hours, we
were treated to a multi-course Arabic meal prepared by his wife
Rachael, who is also Iraqi. "It's our Arab culture," he said proudly".
THE JEWS OF IRAQ
By Naeim Giladi

Of course I thought I knew it all back then. I was young, idealistic,
and more than willing to put my life at risk for my convictions. It
was 1947 and I wasn't quite 18 when the Iraqi authorities caught me
for smuggling young Iraqi Jews like myself out of Iraq, into Iran, and
then on to the Promised Land of the soon-to-be established Israel.

I was an Iraqi Jew in the Zionist underground. My Iraqi jailers did
everything they could to extract the names of my co-conspirators.
Fifty years later, pain still throbs in my right toe, a reminder of
the day my captors used pliers to remove my toenails. On another
occasion, they hauled me to the flat roof of the prison, stripped me
bare on a frigid January day, then threw a bucket of cold water over
me. I was left there, chained to the railing, for hours. But I never
once considered giving them the information they wanted. I was a true
believer.

My preoccupation during what I refer to as my "two years in hell" was
with survival and escape. I had no interest then in the broad sweep of
Jewish history in Iraq even though my family had been part of it right
>from the beginning. We were originally Haroons, a large and important
family of the "Babylonian Diaspora." My ancestors had settled in Iraq
more than 2,600 years ago, 600 years before Christianity, and 1,200
years before Islam. I am descended from Jews who built the tomb of
Yehezkel The Prophet Ezekiel, a Jewish prophet of pre-biblical times.
My town, where I was born in 1929, is Hillah, not far from the ancient
site of Babylon.

The original Jews found Babylon, with its nourishing Tigris and
Euphrates rivers, to be truly a land of milk, honey, abundance-and
opportunity. Although Jews, like other minorities in what became Iraq,
experienced periods of oppression and discrimination depending on the
rulers of the period, their general trajectory over two and one-half
millennia was upward. Under the late Ottoman rule, for example, Jewish
social and religious institutions, schools, and medical facilities
flourished without outside interference, and Jews were prominent in
government and business.

As I sat there in my cell, unaware that a death sentence soon would be
handed down against me, I could not have recounted any personal
grievances that my family members would have lodged against the
government or the Muslim majority. Our family had been treated well
and had prospered, first as farmers with some 50,000 acres devoted to
rice, dates and Arab horses.
Then, with the Ottomans, we bought and purified gold that was shipped
to Istanbul and turned into coinage. The Turks were responsible in
fact for changing our name to reflect our occupation-we became
Khalaschi, meaning "Makers of Pure."

I did not volunteer the information to my father that I had joined the
Zionist underground. He found out several months before I was arrested
when he saw me writing Hebrew and using words and expressions
unfamiliar to him. He was even more surprised to learn that, yes, I
had decided I would soon move to Israel myself. He was scornful.
"You'll come back with your tail between your legs," he predicted.

About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into
1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what
I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were
among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel. Although physically I never
did return to Iraq-that bridge had been burned in any event-my heart
has made the journey there many, many times. My father had it right.

I was imprisoned at the military camp of Abu-Greib, about 7 miles from
Baghdad. When the military court handed down my sentence of death by
hanging, I had nothing to lose by attempting the escape I had been
planning for many months.

It was a strange recipe for an escape: a dab of butter, an orange
peel, and some army clothing that I had asked a friend to buy for me
at a flea market. I deliberately ate as much bread as I could to put
on fat in anticipation of the day I became 18, when they could
formally charge me with a crime and attach the 50-pound ball and chain
that was standard prisoner issue.

Later, after my leg had been shackled, I went on a starvation diet
that often left me weak-kneed.The pat of butter was to lubricate my
leg in preparation for extricating it from the metal band.The orange
peel I surreptitiously stuck into the lock on the night of my planned
escape, having studied how it could be placed in such a way as to keep
the lock from closing.

As the jailers turned to go after locking up, I put on the old army
issue that was indistinguishable from what they were wearing-a long,
green coat and a stocking cap that I pulleddown over much of my face
(it was winter). Then I just quietly opened the door and joined the
departing group of soldiers as they strode down the hall and outside,
and I offered a "good night" to the shift guard as I left. A friend
with a car was waiting to speed me away.

Later I made my way to the new state of Israel, arriving in May, 1950.
My passport had my name in Arabic and English, but the English
couldn't capture the "kh" sound, so it was rendered simply as Klaski.
At the border, the immigration people applied the English version,
which had an Eastern European, Ashkenazi ring to it. In one way, this
"mistake" was my key to discovering very soon just how the Israeli
caste system worked.

They asked me where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do. I was the
son of a farmer; I knew allthe problems of the farm, so I volunteered
to go to Dafnah, a farming kibbutz in the high Galilee. I only lasted
a few weeks. The new immigrants were given the worst of everything.
The food was the same, but that was the only thing that everyone had
in common. For the immigrants, bad cigarettes, even bad toothpaste.
Everything. I left.
Then, through the Jewish Agency, I was advised to go to al-Majdal
(later renamed Ashkelon), an Arab town about 9 miles from Gaza, very
close to the Mediterranean. The Israeli government planned to turn it
into a farmers' city, so my farm background would be an asset there.

When I reported to the Labor Office in al-Majdal, they saw that I
could read and write Arabic and Hebrew and they said that I could find
a good-paying job with the Military Governor's office.The Arabs were
under the authority of these Israeli Military Governors. A clerk
handed me a bunch of forms in Arabic and Hebrew. Now it dawned on me.
Before Israel could establish its farmers' city, it had to rid al-
Majdal of its indigenous Palestinians. The forms were petitions to the
United Nations Inspectors asking for transfer out of Israel to Gaza,
which was under Egyptian control.

I read over the petition. In signing, the Palestinian would be saying
that he was of sound mind and body and was making the request for
transfer free of pressure or duress. Of course, there was no way that
they would leave without being pressured to do so. These families had
been there hundreds of years, as farmers, primitive artisans, weavers.
The Military Governor prohibited them from pursuing their livelihoods,
just penned them up until they lost hope of resuming their normal
lives. That's when they signed to leave.

I was there and heard their grief. "Our hearts are in pain when we
look at the orange trees that we planted with our own hands. Please
let us go, let us give water to those trees. God will not be pleased
with us if we leave His trees untended." I asked the Military Governor
to give them relief, but he said, "No, we want them to leave." I could
no longer be part of this oppression and I left. Those Palestinians
who didn't sign up for transfers were taken by force-just put in
trucks and dumped in Gaza. About four thousand people were driven from
al-Majdal in one way or another. The few who remained were
collaborators with the Israeli authorities.

Subsequently, I wrote letters trying to get a government job elsewhere
and I got many immediate responses asking me to come for an interview.
Then they would discover that my face didn't match my Polish/Ashkenazi
name. They would ask if I spoke Yiddish or Polish, and when I said I
didn't, they would ask where I came by a Polish name. Desperate for a
good job, I would usually say that I thought my great-grandfather was
>from Poland. I was advised time and again that "we'll give you a
call."

Eventually, three to four years after coming to Israel, I changed my
name to Giladi, which is close to the code name, Gilad, that I had in
the Zionist underground. Klaski wasn't doing me any good anyway, and
my Eastern friends were always chiding me about the name they knew
didn't go with my origins as an Iraqi Jew.
I was disillusioned at what I found in the Promised Land,
disillusioned personally, disillusioned at the institutionalized
racism, disillusioned at what I was beginning to learn about Zionism's
cruelties. The principal interest Israel had in Jews from Islamic
countries was as a supply of cheap labor, especially for the farm work
that was beneath the urbanized Eastern European Jews. Ben Gurion
needed the "Oriental" Jews to farm the thousands of acres of land left
by Palestinians who were driven out by Israeli forces in 1948.

And I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the
fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils
today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was
probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948
war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations,
often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed
Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return
to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis
put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.

Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force,
has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents.
According to Mileshtin, Moshe Dayan, a division commander at the time,
gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze
their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery
bacteria.

Acre was so situated that it could practically defend itself with one
big gun, so the Haganah put bacteria into the spring that fed the
town. The spring was called Capri and it ran from the north near a
kibbutz. The Haganah put typhus bacteria into the water going to Acre,
the people got sick, and the Jewish forces occupied Acre. This worked
so well that they sent a Haganah division dressed as Arabs into Gaza,
where there were Egyptian forces, and the Egyptians caught them
putting two cans of bacteria, typhus and dysentery, into the water
supply in wanton disregard of the civilian population. "In war, there
is no sentiment," one of the captured Haganah men was quoted as
saying.

My activism in Israel began shortly after I received a letter from the
Socialist/Zionist Party asking me to help with their Arabic newspaper.
When I showed up at their offices at Central Housein Tel Aviv, I asked
around to see just where I should report. I showed the letter to a
couple of people there and, without even looking at it, they would
motion me away with the words, "Room No. 8." When I saw that they
weren't even reading the letter, I inquired of several others.But the
response was the same, "Room No. 8," with not a glance at the paper I
put in front of them.

So I went to Room 8 and saw that it was the Department of Jews from
Islamic Countries. I was disgusted and angry. Either I am a member of
the party or I'm not. Do I have a different ideology or different
politics because I am an Arab Jew? It's segregation, I thought, just
like a Negroes' Department. I turned around and walked out. That was
the start of my open protests. That same year I organized a
demonstration in Ashkelon against Ben Gurion's racist policies and
10,000 people turned out.

There wasn't much opportunity for those of us who were second class
citizens to do much about it when Israel was on a war footing with
outside enemies. After the 1967 war, I was in the Army myself and
served in the Sinai when there was continued fighting along the Suez
Canal. But the cease-fire with Egypt in 1970 gave us our opening. We
took to the streets and organized politically to demand equal rights.
If it's our country, if we were expected to risk our lives in a border
war, then we expected equal treatment.

We mounted the struggle so tenaciously and received so much publicity
that the Israeli government tried to discredit our movement by calling
us "Israel's Black Panthers." They were thinking in racist terms,
really, in assuming the Israeli public would reject an organization
whose ideology was being compared to that of radical blacks in the
United States. But we saw that what we were doing was no different
than what blacks in the United States were fighting against-
segregation, discrimination, unequal treatment. Rather than reject the
label, we adopted it proudly. I had posters of Martin Luther King,
Malcolm X, Nelson Mandela and other civil rights activists plastered
all over my office.

With the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli-condoned Sabra
and Shatilla massacres, I had had enough of Israel. I became a United
States citizen and made certain to revoke my Israeli citizenship. I
could never have written and published my book in Israel, not with the
censorship they would impose.
Even in America, I had great difficulty finding a publisher because
many are subject to pressures of one kind or another from Israel and
its friends. I ended up paying $60,000 from my own pocket to publish
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews,
virtually the entire proceeds from having sold my house in Israel.

I still was afraid that the printer would back out or that legal
proceedings would be initiated to stop its publication, like the
Israeli government did in an attempt to prevent former Mossad case
officer Victor Ostrovsky from publishing his first book. Ben Gurion's
Scandals had to be translated into English from two languages. I wrote
in Hebrew when I was in Israel and hoped to publish the book there,
and I wrote in Arabic when I was completing the book after coming to
theU.S. But I was so worried that something would stop publication
that I told the printer not to wait for the translations to be
thoroughly checked and proofread. Now I realize that the publicity of
a lawsuit would just have created a controversial interest in the
book.

I am using bank vault storage for the valuable documents that back up
what I have written. These documents, including some that I illegally
copied from the archives at Yad Vashem, confirm what I saw myself,
what I was told by other witnesses, and what reputable historians and
others have written concerning the Zionist bombings in Iraq, Arab
peace overtures that were rebuffed, and incidents of violence and
death inflicted by Jews on Jews in the cause of creating Israel.

The Riots of 1941

If, as I have said, my family in Iraq was not persecuted personally
and I knew no deprivation as a member of the Jewish minority, what led
me to the steps of the gallows as a member of the Zionist underground?
To answer that question, it is necessary to establish the context of
the massacre that occurred in Baghdad on June 1, 1941, when several
hundred Iraqi Jews were killed in riots involving junior officers of
the Iraqi army. I was 12 years of age and many of those killed were my
friends. I was angry, and very confused.

What I didn't know at the time was that the riots most likely were
stirred up by the British, in collusion with a pro-British Iraqi
leadership.

With the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following WW I, Iraq came under
British "tutelage." Amir Faisal, son of Sharif Hussein who had led the
Arab Revolt against the Ottoman sultan, was brought in from Mecca by
the British to become King of Iraq in 1921. Many Jews were appointed
to key administrative posts, including that of economics minister.
Britain retained final authority over domestic and external affairs.
Britain's pro-Zionist attitude in Palestine, however, triggered a
growing anti-Zionist backlash in Iraq, as it did in all Arab
countries. Writing at the end of 1934, Sir Francis Humphreys,
Britain's Ambassador in Baghdad, noted that, while before WWI Iraqi
Jews had enjoyed a more favorable position than any other minority in
the country, since then "Zionism has sown dissension between Jews and
Arabs, and a bitterness has grown up between the two peoples which did
not previously exist."

King Faisal died in 1933. He was succeeded by his son Ghazi, who died
in a motor car accident in 1939. The crown then passed to Ghazi's 4-
year-old son, Faisal II, whose uncle, Abd al-Ilah, was named regent.
Abd al-Ilah selected Nouri el-Said as prime minister. El-Said
supported the British and, as hatred of the British grew, he was
forced from office in March 1940 by four senior army officers who
advocated Iraq's independence from Britain. Calling themselves the
Golden Square, the officers compelled the regent to name as prime
minister Rashid Ali al-Kilani, leader of the National Brotherhood
party.

The time was 1940 and Britain was reeling from a strong German
offensive. Al-Kilani and the Golden Square saw this as their
opportunity to rid themselves of the British once and for all.
Cautiously they began to negotiate for German support, which led the
pro-British regent Abd al-Ilah to dismiss al-Kilani in January 1941.
By April, however, the Golden Square officers had reinstated the Prime
Minister.

This provoked the British to send a military force into Basra on April
12, 1941. Basra, Iraq's second largest city, had a Jewish population
of 30,000. Most of these Jews made their livings from import/export,
money changing, retailing, as workers in the airports, railways, and
ports, or as senior government employees.

On the same day, April 12, supporters of the pro-British regent
notified the Jewish leaders that the regent wanted to meet with them.
As was their custom, the leaders brought flowers for the regent.
Contrary to custom, however, the cars that drove them to the meeting
place dropped them off at the site where the British soldiers were
concentrated.

Photographs of the Jews appeared in the following day's newspapers
with the banner "Basra Jews Receive British Troops with Flowers." That
same day, April 13, groups of angry Arab youths set about to take
revenge against the Jews. Several Muslim notables in Basra heard of
the plan and calmed things down. Later, it was learned that the regent
was not in Basra at all and that the matter was a provocation by his
pro-British supporters to bring about an ethnic war in order to give
the British army a pretext to intervene.

The British continued to land more forces in and around Basra. On May
7, 1941, their Gurkha unit, composed of Indian soldiers from that
ethnic group, occupied Basra's el-Oshar quarter, a neighborhood with a
large Jewish population. The soldiers, led by British officers, began
looting. Many shops in the commercial district were plundered. Private
homes were broken into. Cases of attempted rape were reported. Local
residents, Jews and Muslims, responded with pistols and old rifles,
but their bullets were no match for the soldiers' Tommy Guns.
Afterwards, it was learned that the soldiers acted with the
acquiescence, if not the blessing, of their British commanders. (It
should be remembered that the Indian soldiers, especially those of the
Gurkha unit, were known for their discipline, and it is highly
unlikely they would have acted so riotously without orders.) The
British goal clearly was to create chaos and to blacken the image of
the pro-nationalist regime in Baghdad, thereby giving the British
forces reason to proceed to the capital and to overthrow the al-Kilani
government.

Baghdad fell on May 30. Al-Kilani fled to Iran, along with the Golden
Square officers. Radio stations run by the British reported that
Regent Abd al-Ilah would be returning to the city and that thousands
of Jews and others were planning to welcome him. What inflamed young
Iraqis against the Jews most, however, was the radio announcer Yunas
Bahri on the German station "Berlin," who reported in Arabic that Jews
>from Palestine were fighting alongside the British against Iraqi
soldiers near the city of Faluja. The report was false.

On Sunday, June 1, unarmed fighting broke out in Baghdad between Jews
who were still celebrating their Shabuoth holiday and young Iraqis who
thought the Jews were celebrating the return of the pro-British
regent. That evening, a group of Iraqis stopped a bus, removed the
Jewish passengers,murdered one and fatally wounded a second.

About 8:30 the following morning, some 30 individuals in military and
police uniforms opened fire along el-Amin street, a small downtown
street whose jewelry, tailor and grocery shops were Jewish-owned. By
11 a.m., mobs of Iraqis with knives, switchblades and clubs were
attacking Jewish homes in the area.

The riots continued throughout Monday, June 2. During this time, many
Muslims rose to defend their Jewish neighbors, while some Jews
successfully defended themselves. There were 124 killed and 400
injured, according to a report written by a Jewish Agency messenger
who was in Iraq at the time. Other estimates, possibly less reliable,
put the death toll higher, as many as 500, with from 650 to 2,000
injured. From 500 to 1,300 stores and more than 1,000 homes and
apartments were looted.

Who was behind the rioting in the Jewish quarter? Yosef Meir, one of
the most prominent activists in the Zionist underground movement in
Iraq, known then as Yehoshafat, claims it was the British. Meir, who
now works for the Israeli Defense Ministry, argues that, in order to
make it appear that the regent was returning as the savior who would
reestablish law and order, the British stirred up the riots against
the most vulnerable and visible segment in the city, the Jews. And,
not surprisingly, the riots ended as soon as the regent's loyal
soldiers entered the capital.

My own investigations as a journalist lead me to believe Meir is
correct. Furthermore, I think his claims should be seen as based on
documents in the archives of the Israeli Defense Ministry, the agency
that published his book. Yet, even before his book came out, I had
independent confirmation from a man I met in Iran in the late Forties.

His name was Michael Timosian, an Iraqi Armenian. When I met him he
was working as a male nurse at the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company in Abadan
in the south of Iran. On June 2, 1941, however, he wasworking at the
Baghdad hospital where many of the riot victims were brought. Most of
these victims were Jews.
Timosian said he was particularly interested in two patients whose
conduct did not follow local custom. One had been hit by a bullet in
his shoulder, the other by a bullet in his right knee. After the
doctor removed the bullets, the staff tried to change their blood-
soaked cloths. But the two men fought off their efforts, pretending to
be speechless, although tests showed they could hear. To pacify them,
the doctor injected them with anesthetics and, as they were
sleeping,Timosian changed their cloths. He discovered that one of them
had around his neck an identification tag of the type used by British
troops, while the other had tattoos with Indian script on his right
arm along with the familiar sword of the Gurkha.

The next day when Timosian showed up for work, he was told that a
British officer, his sergeant and two Indian Gurkha soldiers had come
to the hospital early that morning. Staff members overheard the Gurkha
soldiers talking with the wounded patients, who were not as dumb as
they had pretended. The patients saluted the visitors, covered
themselves with sheets and, without signing the required release
forms, left the hospital with their visitors.

Today there is no doubt in my mind that the anti-Jewish riots of 1941
were orchestrated by the British for geopolitical ends. David Kimche
is certainly a man who was in a position to know the truth, and he has
spoken publicly about British culpability. Kimche had been with
British Intelligence during WW II and with the Mossad after the war.
Later he became Director General of Israel's Foreign Ministry, the
position he held in 1982 when he addressed a forum at the British
Institute for International Affairs in London.

In responding to hostile questions about Israel's invasion of Lebanon
and the refugee camp massacres in Beirut, Kimche went on the attack,
reminding the audience that there was scant concern in the British
Foreign Office when British Gurkha units participated in the murder of
500 Jews in the streets of Baghdad in 1941.

The Bombings of 1950-1951

The anti-Jewish riots of 1941 did more than create a pretext for the
British to enter Baghdad to reinstate the pro-British regent and his
pro-British prime minister, Nouri el-Said. They also gave the Zionists
in Palestine a pretext to set up a Zionist underground in Iraq, first
in Baghdad, then in other cities such as Basra, Amara, Hillah,
Diwaneia, Abril and Karkouk.

Following WWII, a succession of governments held brief power in Iraq.
Zionist conquests in Palestine, particularly the massacre of
Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin, emboldened the anti-
British movement in Iraq. When the Iraqi government signed a new
treaty of friendship with London in January 1948, riots broke out all
over the country. The treaty was quickly abandoned and Baghdad
demanded removal of the British military mission that had run Iraq's
army for 27 years.

Later in 1948, Baghdad sent an army detachment to Palestine to fight
the Zionists, and when Israel declared independence in May, Iraq
closed the pipeline that fed its oil to Haifa's refinery. Abd al-Ilah,
however, was still regent and the British quisling, Nouri el-Said, was
back as prime minister. I was in the Abu-Greib prison in 1948, where I
would remain until my escape to Iran in September 1949.

Six months later-the exact date was March 19, 1950-a bomb went off at
the American Cultural Center and Library in Baghdad, causing property
damage and injuring a number of people. The center was a favorite
meeting place for young Jews.

The first bomb thrown directly at Jews occurred on April 8, 1950, at
9:15 p.m. A car with three young passengers hurled the grenade at
Baghdad's El-Dar El-Bida Caf=E9, where Jews were celebrating Passover.
Four people were seriously injured. That night leaflets were
distributed calling on Jews to leave Iraq immediately. The next day,
many Jews, most of them poor with nothing to lose, jammed emigration
offices to renounce their citizenship and to apply for permission to
leave for Israel. So many applied, in fact, that the police had to
open registration offices in Jewish schools and synagogues.

On May 10, at 3 a.m., a grenade was tossed in the direction of the
display window of the Jewish-owned Beit-Lawi Automobile Company,
destroying part of the building. No casualties were reported.
On June 3, 1950, another grenade was tossed from a speeding car in the
El-Batawin area of Baghdad where most rich Jews and middle class
Iraqis lived. No one was hurt, but following the from Iraq be
increased.

On June 5, at 2:30 a.m., a bomb exploded next to the Jewish-owned
Stanley Shashua building on El-Rashid street, resulting in property
damage but no casualties.

On January 14, 1951, at 7 p.m., a grenade was thrown at a group of
Jews outside the Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue. The explosive struck a
high-voltage cable, electrocuting three Jews, one a young boy, Itzhak
Elmacher, and wounding over 30 others. Following the attack, the
exodus of Jews jumped to between 600-700 per day.

Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set
off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country. The
terrible truth is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews
and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.

Among the most important documents in my book, I believe, are copies
of two leaflets published by the Zionist underground calling on Jews
to leave Iraq. One is dated March 16, 1950, the other April 8, 1950.

The difference between these two is critical. Both indicate the date
of publication, but only the April 8th leaflet notes the time of day:
4 p.m. Why the time of day? Such a specification was unprecedented.
Even the investigating judge, Salaman El-Beit, found it suspicious.
Did the 4 p.m. writers want an alibi for a bombing they knew would
occur five hours later? If so, how did they know about the bombing?
The judge concluded they knew because a connection existed between the
Zionist underground and the bomb throwers.

This, too, was the conclusion of Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former senior
officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), whom I had the
opportunity to meet in New York in 1988. In his book, Ropes of Sand,
whose publication the CIA opposed, Eveland writes:
In attempts to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize
the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service
library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews
to flee to Israel. . . . Although the Iraqi police later provided our
embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings,
as well as the anti-Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaigns, had
been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the
world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of
the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had "rescued" really just in order to
increase Israel's Jewish population."

Eveland doesn't detail the evidence linking the Zionists to the
attacks, but in my book I do. In 1955, for example, I organized in
Israel a panel of Jewish attorneys of Iraqi origin to handle claims of
Iraqi Jews who still had property in Iraq. One well known attorney,
who asked that I not give his name, confided in me that the laboratory
tests in Iraq had confirmed that the anti-American leaflets found at
the American Cultural Center bombing were typed on the same typewriter
and duplicated on the same stenciling machine as the leaflets
distributed by the Zionist movement just before the April 8th bombing.

Tests also showed that the type of explosive used in the Beit-Lawi
attack matched traces of explosives found in the suitcase of an Iraqi
Jew by the name of Yosef Basri. Basri, a lawyer, together with Shalom
Salih, a shoemaker, would be put on trial for the attacks in December
1951 and executed the following month. Both men were members of
Hashura, the military arm of the Zionist underground. Salih ultimately
confessed that he, Basri and a third man, Yosef Habaza, carried out
the attacks.

By the time of the executions in January 1952, all but 6,000 of an
estimated 125,000 Iraqi Jews had fled to Israel. Moreover, the pro-
British, pro-Zionist puppet el-Said saw to it that all of their
possessions were frozen, including their cash assets. (There were ways
of getting Iraqi dinars out, but when the immigrants went to exchange
them in Israel they found that the Israeli government kept 50 percent
of the value.) Even those Iraqi Jews who had not registered to
emigrate, but who happened to be abroad, faced loss of their
nationality if they didn't return within a specified time. An ancient,
cultured, prosperous community had been uprooted and its people
transplanted to a land dominated by East European Jews, whose culture
was not only foreign but entirely hateful to them.

The Ultimate Criminals

Zionist Leaders. From the start they knew that in order to establish a
Jewish state they had to expel the indigenous Palestinian population
to the neighboring Islamic states and import Jews from these same
states.
Theodor Herzl, the architect of Zionism, thought it could be done by
social engineering. In his diary entry for 12 June 1885, he wrote that
Zionist settlers would have to "spirit the penniless population across
the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries,
while denying it any employment in our own country."
Vladimir Jabotinsky, Prime Minister Netanyahu's ideological
progenitor, frankly admitted that such a transfer of populations could
only be brought about by force.
David Ben Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, told a Zionist
Conference in 1937 that any proposed Jewish state would have to
"transfer Arab populations out of the area, if possible of their own
free will, if not by coercion." After 750,000 Palestinians were
uprooted and their lands confiscated in 1948-49, Ben Gurion had to
look to the Islamic countries for Jews who could fill the resultant
cheap labor market. "Emissaries" were smuggled into these countries to
"convince" Jews to leave either by trickery or fear.
In the case of Iraq, both methods were used: uneducated Jews were told
of a Messianic Israel in which the blind see, the lame walk, and
onions grow as big as melons; educated Jews had bombs thrown at them.
A few years after the bombings, in the early 1950s, a book was
published in Iraq, in Arabic, titled Venom of the Zionist Viper. The
author was one of the Iraqi investigators of the 1950-51 bombings and,
in his book, he implicates the Israelis, specifically one of the
emissaries sent by Israel, Mordechai Ben-Porat. As soon as the book
came out, all copies just disappeared, even from libraries. The word
was that agents of the Israeli Mossad, working through the U.S.
Embassy, bought up all the books and destroyed them. I tried on three
different occasions to have one sent to me in Israel, but each time
Israeli censors in the post office intercepted it. British Leaders.
Britain always acted in its best colonial interests. For that reason
Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour sent his famous 1917 letter to Lord
Rothschild in exchange for Zionist support in WW I. During WW II the
British were primarily concerned with keeping their client states in
the Western camp, while Zionists were most concerned with the
immigration of European Jews to Palestine, even if this meant
cooperating with the Nazis. (In my book I document numerous instances
of such dealings by Ben Gurion and the Zionist leadership.) After WW
II the international chessboard pitted communists against capitalists.
In many countries, including the United States and Iraq, Jews
represented a large part of the Communist party. In Iraq, hundreds of
Jews of the working intelligentsia occupied key positions in the
hierarchy of the Communist and Socialist parties. To keep their client
countries in the capitalist camp, Britain had to make sure these
governments had pro-British leaders. And if, as in Iraq, these leaders
were overthrown, then an anti-Jewish riot or two could prove a useful
pretext to invade the capital and reinstate the "right" leaders.
Moreover, if the possibility existed of removing the communist
influence from Iraq by transferring the whole Jewish community to
Israel, well then, why not? Particularly if the leaders of Israel and
Iraq conspired in the deed.

The Iraqi Leaders. Both the regent Abd al-Ilah and his prime minister
Nouri el- Said took directions from London. Toward the end of 1948, el-
Said, who had already met with Israel's Prime Minister Ben Gurion in
Vienna, began discussing with his Iraqi and British associates the
need for an exchange of populations. Iraq would send the Jews in
military trucks to Israel via Jordan, and Iraq would take in some of
the Palestinians Israel had been evicting. His proposal included
mutual confiscation of property. London nixed the idea as too radical.

El-Said then went to his back-up plan and began to create the
conditions that would make the lives of Iraqi Jews so miserable they
would leave for Israel. Jewish government employees were fired from
their jobs; Jewish merchants were denied import/export licenses;
police began to arrest Jews for trivial reasons. Still the Jews did
not leave in any great numbers. In September 1949, Israel sent the spy
Mordechai Ben-Porat, the one mentioned in Venom of the Zionist Viper,
to Iraq. One of the first things Ben-Porat did was to approach el-Said
and promise him financial incentives to have a law enacted that would
lift the citizenship of Iraqi Jews.

Soon after, Zionist and Iraqi representatives began formulating a
rough draft of the bill, according to the model dictated by Israel
through its agents in Baghdad. The bill was passed by the Iraqi
parliament in March 1950. It empowered the government to issue one-
time exit visas to Jews wishing to leave the country. In March, the
bombings began.

Sixteen years later, the Israeli magazine Haolam Hazeh, published by
Uri Avnery, then a Knesset member, accused Ben-Porat of the Baghdad
bombings. Ben-Porat, who would become a Knesset member himself, denied
the charge, but never sued the magazine for libel. And Iraqi Jews in
Israel still call him Morad Abu al-Knabel, Mordechai of the Bombs. As
I said, all this went well beyond the comprehension of a teenager. I
knew Jews were being killed and an organization existed that could
lead us to the Promised Land. So I helped in the exodus to Israel.
Later, on occasions, I would bump into some of these Iraqi Jews in
Israel. Not infrequently they'd express the sentiment that they could
kill me for what I had done.

Opportunities for Peace

After the Israeli attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in October,
1953, Ben Gurion went into voluntary exile at the Sedeh Boker kibbutz
in the Negev. The Labor party then used to organize many buses for
people to go visit him there, where they would see the former prime
minister working with sheep. But that was only for show. Really he was
writing his diary and continuing to be active behind the scenes. I
went on such a tour.

We were told not to try to speak to Ben Gurion, but when I saw him, I
asked why, since Israel is a democracy with a parliament, does it not
have a constitution? Ben Gurion said, "Look, boy"-I was 24 at the
time-"if we have a constitution, we have to write in it the border of
our country. And this is not our border, my dear." I asked, "Then
where is the border?" He said, "Wherever the Sahal will come, this is
the border." Sahal is the Israeli army.

Ben Gurion told the world that Israel accepted the partition and the
Arabs rejected it. Then Israel took half of the land that was promised
to the Arab state. And still he was saying it was not enough. Israel
needed more land. How can a country make peace with its neighbors if
it wants to take their land? How can a country demand to be secure if
it won't say what borders it will be satisfied with? For such a
country, peace would be an inconvenience. I know now that from the
beginning many Arab leaders wanted to make peace with Israel, but
Israel always refused. Ben Gurion covered this up with propaganda. He
said that the Arabs wanted to drive Israel into the sea and he called
Gamal Abdel Nasser the Hitler of the Middle East whose foremost intent
was to destroy Israel. He wanted America and Great Britain to treat
Nasser like a pariah.

In 1954, it seemed that America was getting less critical of Nasser.
Then during a three-week period in July, several terrorist bombs were
set off: at the United States Information Agency offices in Cairo and
Alexandria, a British-owned theater, and the central post office in
Cairo. An attempt to firebomb a cinema in Alexandria failed when the
bomb went off in the pocket of one of the perpetrators. That led to
the discovery that the terrorists were not anti-Western Egyptians, but
were instead Israeli spies bent on souring the warming relationship
between Egypt and the United States in what came to be known as the
Lavon Affair.

Ben Gurion was still living on his kibbutz. Moshe Sharett as prime
minister was in contact with Abdel Nasser through the offices of Lord
Maurice Orbach of Great Britain. Sharett asked Nasser to be lenient
with the captured spies, and Nasser did all that was in his power to
prevent a deterioration of the situation between the two countries.

Then Ben Gurion returned as Defense Minister in February, 1955. Later
that month Israeli troops attacked Egyptian military camps and
Palestinian refugees in Gaza, killing 54 and injuring many more. The
very night of the attack, Lord Orbach was on his way to deliver a
message to Nasser, but was unable to get through because of the
military action. When Orbach telephoned, Nasser's secretary told him
that the attack proved that Israel did not want peace and that he was
wasting his time as a mediator.

In November, Ben Gurion announced in the Knesset that he was willing
to meet with Abdel Nasser anywhere and at any time for the sake of
peace and understanding. The next morning the Israeli military
attacked an Egyptian military camp in the Sabaha region.

Although Nasser felt pessimistic about achieving peace with Israel, he
continued to send other mediators to try. One was through the American
Friends Service Committee; another via the Prime Minister of Malta,
Dom Minthoff; and still another through Marshall Tito of Yugoslavia.
One that looked particularly promising was through Dennis Hamilton,
editor of The London Times. Nasser told Hamilton that if only he could
sit and talk with Ben Gurion for two or three hours, they would be
able to settle the conflict and end the state of war between the two
countries. When word of this reached Ben Gurion, he arranged to meet
with Hamilton. They decided to pursue the matter with the Israeli
ambassador in London, Arthur Luria, as liaison. On Hamilton's third
trip to Egypt, Nasser met him with the text of a Ben Gurion speech
stating that Israel would not give up an inch of land and would not
take back a single refugee. Hamilton knew that Ben Gurion with his
mouth had undermined a peace mission and missed an opportunity to
settle the Israeli-Arab conflict.

Nasser even sent his friend Ibrahim Izat of the Ruz El Yusuf weekly
paper to meet with Israeli leaders in order to explore the political
atmosphere and find out why the attacks were taking place if Israel
really wanted peace. One of the men Izat met with was Yigal Yadin, a
former Chief of Staff of the army who wrote this letter to me on 14
January 1982:

Dear Mr. Giladi:
Your letter reminded me of an event which I nearly forgot and of which
I remember only a few details.

Ibrahim Izat came to me if I am not mistaken under the request of the
Foreign Ministry or one of its branches; he stayed in my house and we
spoke for many hours. I do not remember him saying that he came on a
mission from Nasser, but I have no doubt that he let it be understood
that this was with his knowledge or acquiescence....

When Nasser decided to nationalize the Suez Canal in spite of
opposition from the British and the French, Radio Cairo announced in
Hebrew:

If the Israeli government is not influenced by the British and the
French imperialists, it will eventually result in greater
understanding between the two states, and Egypt will reconsider
Israel's request to have access to the Suez Canal.

Israel responded that it had no designs on Egypt, but at that very
moment Israeli representatives were in France planning the three-way
attack that was to take place in October, 1956. All the while, Ben
Gurion continued to talk about the Hitler of the Middle East. This
brainwashing went on until late September, 1970, when Gamal Abdel
Nasser passed away. Then, miracle of miracles, David Ben Gurion told
the press:

A week before he died I received an envoy from Abdel Nasser who asked
to meet with me urgently in order to solve the problems between Israel
and the Arab world. The public was surprised because they didn't know
that Abdel Nasser had wanted this all along, but Israel sabotaged it.

Nasser was not the only Arab leader who wanted to make peace with
Israel. There were many others. Brigadier General Abdel Karim Qasem,
before he seized power in Iraq in July, 1958, headed an underground
organization that sent a delegation to Israel to make a secret
agreement. Ben Gurion refused even to see him. I learned about this
when I was a journalist in Israel. But whenever I tried to publish
even a small part of it, the censor would stamp it "Not Allowed." Now,
in Netanyahu, we are witnessing another attempt by an Israeli prime
minister to fake an interest in making peace. Netanyahu and the Likud
are setting Arafat up by demanding that he institute more and more
repressive measures in the interest of Israeli "security." Sooner or
later I suspect the Palestinians will have had enough of Arafat's
strong-arm methods as Israel's quisling-and he'll be killed. Then the
Israeli government will say, "See, we were ready to give him
everything. You can't trust those Arabs-they kill each other. Now
there's no one to even talk to about peace."

Conclusion

Alexis de Tocqueville once observed that it is easier for the world to
accept a simple lie than a complex truth. Certainly it has been easier
for the world to accept the Zionist lie that Jews were evicted from
Muslim lands because of anti-Semitism, and that Israelis, never the
Arabs, were the pursuers of peace. The truth is far more discerning:
bigger players on the world stage were pulling the strings.

These players, I believe, should be held accountable for their crimes,
particularly when they willfully terrorized, dispossessed and killed
innocent people on the altar of some ideological imperative.

I believe, too, that the descendants of these leaders have a moral
responsibility to compensate the victims and their descendants, and to
do so not just with reparations, but by setting the historical record
straight.

That is why I established a panel of inquiry in Israel to seek
reparations for Iraqi Jews who had been forced to leave behind their
property and possessions in Iraq. That is why I joined the Black
Panthers in confronting the Israeli government with the grievances of
the Jews in Israel who came from Islamic lands. And that is why I have
written my book and this article: to set the historical record
straight.

We Jews from Islamic lands did not leave our ancestral homes because
of any natural enmity between Jews and Muslims. And we Arabs-I say
Arab because that is the language my wife and I still speak at home-we
Arabs on numerous occasions have sought peace with the State of the
Jews. And finally, as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer, let me say that we
Americans need to stop supporting racial discrimination in Israel and
the cruel expropriation of lands in the West Bank, Gaza, South Lebanon
and the Golan Heights.

ENDNOTES

* Mileshtin was quoted by the Israeli daily, Hadashot, in an article
published August 13, 1993. The writer, Sarah Laybobis-Dar, interviewed
a number of Israelis who had knowledge of the use of bacteriological
weapons in the 1948 war. Mileshtin said bacteria was used to poison
the wells of every village emptied of its Arab inhabitants.
* On Sept. 12, 1990, the New York State Supreme Court issued a
restraining order at the request of the Israeli government to prevent
publication of Ostrovsky's book, "By Way of Deception: The Making and
Unmaking of a Mossad Officer." The New York State Appeals Court lifted
the ban the next day.
* Marion Woolfson, "Prophets in Babylon: Jews in the Arab World," p.
129
* Yosef Meir, "Road in the Desert," Israeli Defense Ministry, p. 36.
* See my book, "Ben Gurion's Scandals," p. 105.
* Wilbur Crane Eveland, "Ropes of Sand: America's Failure in the
Middle East," NY; Norton, 1980, pp. 48-49.
* T. Herzl, "The Complete Diaries," NY: Herzl Press & Thomas Yoncloff,
1960, vol. 1, p. 88.
* Report of the Congress of the World Council of Paole Zion, Zurich,
July 29-August 7, 1937, pp. 73-74.

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On Mar 7, 8:20 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173216439.821706.30...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > But Mufti had nothing to do with Bosnian fascists or their
> > organization, all you are trying to do is mark Palestinians as
> > fascists, because the Mufti was one. Mufti's visit to Germany and
> > Bosnia was only about a week long
>
> Alex who do you think you are kidding.
>
> http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
>
> He was about 5 years in Berlin as an honored guest of Hitler. He also
> made many trips Bosnia, where he recruited the Bosnian Waffen SS
> company.
>
> http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/recruited.html
>
> --
> Blogging is very time consuming.
>
> Observations of Bernard - No 110

YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR, BERNARD, AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE
BLABBERING ABOUT, FOAMING AT THE MOUTH ZIONAZI MANIAC!



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 FIRST YUGOSLAV FREE CONGRESS MET IN DRVAR IN OCTOBER OF 1943, YOU
STUPID UNEDUCATED ZIONAZI IDIOT. BELGRADE WAS LIBERATED IN OCTOBER
1944. I KNOW I WAS THERE. AND YOUR FICTIONAL "MUFTI" NEVER WAS IN
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Yochi fell a sleep while riding his donkey from Tul Karem to Yafa. An old 
Arab found him, they took him in and nourished him to health. At first he 
refuse to eat, so the old man laced Humus on his cock and the rest was 
History. Yochi like Humus of Arab big rod. \\

SJ 




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Come and get Humus boy. I will lace it where you like it you cock sucker.

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Zionist will not take Any Falasha  Jews

The Zionist artificial regime, has refused to lift the remaining black Jews 
in Ethiopia.  Their reason, they don't want blacks and they feel they are 
burden on the white so called Jewish Nazi European. But they will take Jews 
>from America and England, and any European so called Jews.

SJ 




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      Norway sued by children of Nazis
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The nearness of Deir Yassin to Yad Vashem serves merely to underline the 
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The Business of War
Iraq's Mercenary King

As a former C.I.A. agent, the author knows how mercenaries work: in
the shadows. But how did a notorious former British officer, Tim
Spicer, come to coordinate the second-largest army in Iraq-the tens of
thousands of private security contractors?
by Robert Baer April 2007 Last spring, in Los Angeles, I met with a
producer and a screenwriter who were trolling for a good story to turn
into a movie-specifically, a story about a pair of colorful
adventurers, maybe mercenaries, who get into serious trouble seeking a
fortune in Africa. I wasn't much help. I had spent little time in
Africa-only a couple of brief trips to Nigeria and Liberia during my
time in the C.I.A. But I promised them I'd ask around when I got to
London, a city with more colorful adventurers per block than anywhere
else in the world.

I knew my share of them: rogue oil traders, art forgers, exiled
presidents, disgraced journalists, arms dealers. There was also the
Jordanian prince who had once offered to smuggle me into Ramadi, in
Iraq's anarchic Anbar Province, in exchange for 100 sheep. People like
these are pretty much the currency of C.I.A. agents.

Tim Spicer at his London home. Photograph by Les Wilson.
In London, the consensus was that if I wanted a good African yarn I
needed to talk to Tim Spicer. He knew or could get to every mercenary,
adventurer, or promoter who had ever cast a shadow on that continent.

I knew who Spicer was. He'd popped up on the C.I.A.'s radar after he
retired from the British Army and went to work, in 1996, as the C.E.O.
of Sandline International, a private military company offering
"operational support" to "legitimate governments." A year later Spicer
was in Papua New Guinea, where he fielded a mercenary army for the
government in order to protect a multi-national copper-mining company.
After Spicer was expelled, he moved on to Sierra Leone, this time
helping to ship arms to coup plotters. Spicer's name resurfaced in
2004 in connection with a putsch aimed at Equatorial Guinea, allegedly
led by Simon Mann, his friend, former army colleague, and onetime
business associate. Though questioned by British officials, Spicer was
not implicated in the incident.

But then, somehow, two months later, Spicer's company, known as Aegis
Defence Services, landed a $293 million Pentagon contract to
coordinate security for reconstruction projects, as well as support
for other private military companies, in Iraq. This effectively put
him in command of the second-largest foreign armed force in the country
-behind America's but ahead of Britain's. These men aren't officially
part of the Coalition of the Willing, because they're all paid
contractors-the Coalition of the Billing, you might call it-but
they're a crucial part of the coalition's forces nonetheless.

The atrium of Spicer's slick, modern building, near Victoria Station,
drinks light. The polished floors, smoked glass, silent elevators, and
polite, efficient receptionist put you in mind more of an A-list
Hollywood production company than of the lair of a mercenary and arms
dealer. I thought I knew what Spicer was after: to clean up his past,
achieve respectability.

Still fit and agile at 54, Spicer stood up behind his desk and walked
across the office to shake my hand. The lime cardigan sweater, a desk
piled with files and books, the French bulldog asleep in the corner-it
all proclaimed that Spicer hadn't quite settled into his new role as a
C=2EE.O. He's a field man at heart, more comfortable on the front lines
of some war-at the "sharp end," as he puts it.

Spicer liked the idea of a movie about Africa. He mentioned the names
of a couple of friends, old Africa hands, whose stories might
contribute the spine of a plot. Most of them lived in South Africa. He
proposed half a dozen locations where a pair of adventurers could get
into particularly serious trouble, from the Congo to Mali. I suspected
that talking about Hollywood was a welcome diversion for Spicer, given
how badly things were going in Iraq.

Spicer and I had a lot in common. We had both spent much of our lives
in the back of beyond, serving governments that preferred not to have
to acknowledge us. We both left government service at a relatively
young age and were tempted back into the same shadowy world we had
come from, trying to sell a set of skills that weren't especially
useful anywhere else.

We talked a little about spy fiction, agreeing that other than le
Carr=E9 the genre was thin. I happened to have with me a copy of John
Banville's The Untouchable, a fine novel loosely based on the
Cambridge Five spy ring. Spicer copied down the title. He spent his
life on planes these days and had a lot of time to read.

As I walked back to Victoria Station, I couldn't help wondering how
Spicer had ascended so quickly from notorious mercenary to corporate
titan. What had he done to wangle that fat Iraq contract from the
Pentagon? Serving 20 years with the British military in the toughest
parts of the world was certainly one qualification. So was being
smart, connected, and personable. But how had he overcome the taint of
Sierra Leone and Papua New Guinea, two scandals indelibly attached to
his name? Apparently the Pentagon had decided that an Africa hand
could do in Iraq what the American military couldn't: subdue the most
xenophobic and violent people in the Middle East. But that was the
problem. Iraq isn't Africa. Iraqis shoot back.

Black Death
Frankly, I have always had my doubts about private military
contractors. A few days after Baghdad fell, in 2003, I was in Iraq
working as an adviser to ABC News. It was a time when Iraq was still
wide open and you could pretty much go where you wanted to. I
persuaded ABC to send me to Awjah, Saddam Hussein's natal village, a
few miles south of Tikrit. Awjah was where Saddam drew his inner
circle from (and it is where he is buried). It was his refuge when
things were going badly. I thought Awjah's reaction to Saddam's fall
would be a good story.

ABC arranged for a Suburban and a driver. Although I didn't see the
need-I speak Arabic and had worked in Iraq before-ABC also insisted
that a security escort go with me. The escort turned out to be a
former British military officer. He was a pleasant enough fellow, but
he didn't speak Arabic and had been in the country only a week.

Except for the occasional armor column moving north, there was almost
no traffic on the main Baghdad-Tikrit road. Every once in a while, a
low-flying F-16 shook the car. At the intersection with the road to
Awjah we stopped and asked an army patrol if it was safe to drive into
the village. The soldier didn't know; the army had bypassed Awjah. We
would be on our own.

By the time we came around a bend and saw the roadblock manned by half
a dozen armed men in kaffiyehs, it was too late to turn back. The
driver, a Shiite, was in a cold sweat. Just the name Awjah struck fear
in him-it was the heart of Sunni country, the monster's lair.

One of the men stuck a shotgun in the driver's face and asked who the
hell we were. You could see these people wanted blood. It wasn't a
surprise. They probably were all related to Saddam. The U.S. had just
deposed the man who had kept them safe and prosperous for the last 35
years. Our British security escort wondered if it wouldn't be a good
idea to show them our Jordanian press cards. No: that would actually
be a very bad idea. The cards would identify us as Americans.

Instead, I stuck my head out the window and yelled in Arabic, "We're
French. It's not our damned war." The man lowered his shotgun and let
us pass.

That benign little ruse would do no good at all today; the situation
is too far gone. Now anyone with the misfortune to have business
outside the Green Zone travels in an armored car with heavily armed
private military escorts. One of their tactics has been to shoot first
and ask questions later, and Iraqis have referred to some of these
contractors as "black death." Some of them have been accused of
shooting Iraqis for sport.

In November of 2005 a disgruntled Aegis ex-employee posted a so-called
"trophy video" on the Internet depicting Aegis contractors-Tim
Spicer's men-shooting at Iraqis in civilian cars. In one sequence, the
Aegis team opens fire with an automatic weapon at an approaching
silver Mercedes. The Mercedes rams a taxi, sending the taxi's
occupants running. In another sequence, an Aegis employee fires at a
white sedan, running it off the road. Elvis Presley's "Mystery Train"
provides the soundtrack. Aegis subsequently conducted an investigation
and concluded that the actions represented "legitimate operations"
undertaken in compliance with the rules of engagement. Aegis argued
further that the video was "taken out of context" and noted that there
was no evidence that civilians had been killed. The Pentagon looked
into the video and declined to take further steps.

According to a February 2006 Government Accountability Office report,
there were approximately 48,000 private military contractors in Iraq,
employed by 181 different companies. There may now be many more. These
are the kinds of people Tim Spicer and Aegis are supposed to
coordinate. The bulk of the military contractors are American and
British, with a sprinkling of other nationalities. Formal oversight is
lax, to put it mildly. Many are retired from elite units such as the
British Special Air Service or the U.S. Special Forces. According to a
report in The Economist, a former British official who now heads a
trade association for private military companies estimates that
mercenaries are Britain's largest export to Iraq. Not food, medicine,
or construction material-mercenaries.

No one planned for a private army of this size. Like most things in
the Iraq war, it just happened. After the Iraq National Museum was
looted, in April of 2003, and even four months later, after the U.N.
headquarters was destroyed by a car bomb, the Pentagon assumed it was
dealing with garden-variety crime and terrorism-nothing a good whiff
of grapeshot couldn't quell. With U.S. forces stretched thin, why not
let private military contractors deal with routine security? They
could protect the coalition offices, the supply shipments, the
embassies, and also the reconstruction teams, the journalists, the
U=2EN. workers, and the aid organizations. After all, guns for hire in
Afghanistan had been keeping Hamid Karzai alive.

As the security situation deteriorated and the insurgency became more
sophisticated, the contractors were forced to adapt, operating as
small military units, carrying automatic weapons and rocket launchers,
and traveling in convoys of heavily armored S.U.V.'s. Their tactics
included driving at 90 miles an hour or more and shooting at any
vehicle that appeared to be a threat. In some cases, military
contractors fought pitched battles. Today, when they get in trouble,
contractors can call on help in the form of military air support or a
quick-reaction force.

Who are these contractors? Watch the passengers in Dubai waiting for
flights to Kabul and Baghdad and you'll get an idea. Half of them are
fortysomething, a little paunchy, their hair thinning. They haven't
done a pull-up or run an obstacle course in 20 years. You have to
suspect that many are divorced and paying alimony, child support, and
mortgages on houses they don't live in. The other half, in their late
20s and early 30s, have been enticed into leaving the military early,
quadrupling their salaries by entering the private sector. They bulge
out of their T-shirts, bang knuckles, shoulder-bump. They can't wait
to get into the action.

The mercenaries crowd the duty-free counters buying boxes of Cuban
Cohiba cigars and bottles of Jack Daniel's-nights on mortar watch can
be very long. There's no doubt they can afford it. Men with service in
an elite military unit have been known to make up to $1,500 a day.
More typically a Western military contractor will earn $180,000 a
year. Depending on the contract, benefits can include a hundred days
of leave, kidnapping insurance, health insurance, and life insurance.

Iraq is not exactly a place you'd want to call home, but after a tough
day on Baghdad's bloody streets there's always the Green Zone, an air-
conditioned trailer, a Whopper, and an iced latte. Other than the very
real threat of getting killed, the only cloud on the horizon is having
your job outsourced. As private security companies have learned how to
do business in Iraq, they also have figured out how to reduce costs,
often by hiring less expensive help. Chileans, Filipinos, Nepalese,
and Bosnians come a lot cheaper. Almost three dozen former Colombian
soldiers are suing Blackwater USA, one of the largest private military
companies in Iraq, for breach of contract. According to the
Colombians, Blackwater at the last minute reduced their rate of pay to
$34 a day. It's virtually slave labor compared with what a Brit or an
American gets.

Spicer of Arabia
If you look at Tim Spicer's military career and his subsequent years
as a mercenary, you won't be surprised that he has thrived in Iraq's
Mad Max world of military contractors and easy money.
Born in 1952 in Aldershot, England, Spicer followed his father into
the army, attending Sandhurst and then joining the Scots Guards. He
applied to the S.A.S., Britain's elite commando force, but failed the
selection course. Spicer saw his first combat in 1982, when he was
pulled off guard duty at the Tower of London and sent to the Falkland
Islands. He took part in the Battle of Mount Tumbledown, which led to
the capture of Stanley, the capital; he likes to play up his
sangfroid, recounting how before the battle he had hoped to enjoy a
good cigar (unfortunately the cigar had been damaged). Spicer would
serve in two other foreign wars, with British forces in the 1991 Gulf
War and with the U.N. in Bosnia.

During a posting in Northern Ireland in 1992, Spicer experienced his
first taste of public controversy when two soldiers under his command
shot an unarmed teenage father of two in the back, killing him. The
soldiers were tried, convicted of murder, and imprisoned for life.
However, as part of a murky deal at the time of the 1998 Good Friday
Agreement, the soldiers were released. Spicer successfully argued for
their return to their unit. In November 2006 the mother of the
murdered teenager threatened to explore legal action against the
British government unless Spicer's company was barred from other
British-government contracts in war zones.

Spicer retired from the army in 1995, soon enough hanging out his
shingle as a gun for hire, continuing a long tradition of British
military officers who return to the colonies to make their fortune, or
at least to compensate for a lean retirement. His friend Simon Mann
introduced Spicer to Tony Buckingham, another former British military
officer, with whom Mann had founded a security consultancy firm called
Executive Outcomes in the early 1990s. According to Spicer's
autobiography, upon meeting, Buckingham asked Spicer if he had any
interest in setting up what would later become known as a private
military company.

Spicer is led to court in Papua New Guinea in 1997. Hired to protect a
copper mine, he and his associates ran afoul of the local military. By
Rick Rycroft/AP Photo.
A year later, in 1996, with Buckingham's backing, Spicer started
Sandline International, advertising its services as "special forces
rapid reaction." The exact relationship between Sandline and Executive
Outcomes has been unclear in press accounts, but Spicer has reportedly
admitted that they were "closely linked." Sandline's first contract,
in 1997, was with the government of Papua New Guinea, which wanted a
mercenary force to protect a copper mine in Bougainville, in a
rebellious part of the country. The deal fell apart when the P.N.G.
Army found out that Sandline was being paid $36 million for a job the
army thought it should be doing. The government was overthrown in a
coup, and Spicer was arrested and brought before a military inquiry.
He was eventually released and successfully sued Papua New Guinea for
moneys owed.

With notoriety apparently not an impediment, in 1998 Spicer landed
another contract involving Sierra Leone, this time helping ship 30
tons of Bulgarian arms to forces backing Ahmed Tejan Kabbah, the
president in exile. At the time, Sierra Leone was under a U.N.
embargo. When Spicer's activities became public, the "Arms-to-Africa"
scandal reverberated through British politics, implicating Tony
Blair's government. Spicer claimed to have told certain British
officials all along the way about the arms shipment, allowing him to
make the case later that there had been implicit British-government
approval.

One thing you notice from his career is that Spicer has a flair for
self-promotion, a skill he says he started to pick up by observing the
press during the Vietnam War. After the Gulf War, Spicer served as
military aide to the former British commander General Sir Peter de la
Billi=E8re. Spicer reportedly persuaded British Airways to comp tickets
on the Concorde for de la Billi=E8re, himself, and their wives to attend
the postwar parade in New York. In Bosnia he served as the press
attach=E9 to General Sir Michael Rose, the commander of U.N. forces.
Spicer is openly fascinated by Lawrence of Arabia, once pausing with
an interviewer in front of Lawrence's motorcycle, in the Imperial War
Museum.

In an attempt to burnish his reputation, Spicer paid a publicist, Sara
Pearson, to arrange for his autobiography to be ghostwritten. Though
largely ignored, An Unorthodox Soldier (1999) gave Spicer a platform
to make the case that in Papua New Guinea and Sierra Leone he was
working for legitimate governments. Companies like his, he argued, do
have a place in the modern comity of nations. Spicer also made clear
what he thinks of people who disparage men like himself but have never
seen a shot fired in anger: "the gutless, the boring and the useless
who pontificate and cower.... I feel sorry for them-they've never been
to the edge and looked over. They'd be better off if they did."

Spicer doesn't like the term "mercenary" or "gun for hire," picturing
himself rather as a 19th-century British adventurer, fighting on the
side of civilization. There's more than a little of Flashman in
Spicer. He cultivates a playboy image, driving an Aston Martin, dating
beautiful women, and living in a mansion in South London. His annual
compensation at Aegis has been estimated to be as high as $20 million.
At the inquiry in Papua New Guinea, he was seen carrying what appeared
to be a biography of Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond. But
Spicer has said that in fact under the dust jacket was a biography of
General Vo Nguyen Giap, the Vietnamese Communist who masterminded the
siege of Dien Bien Phu. One of Aegis's investors is Spicer's friend
the novelist Frederick Forsyth, who wrote the classic mercenary novel
The Dogs of War. You pick it up, read a few pages, and know exactly
where it's going. The mercenaries are all intelligent and reserved,
with square jaws and chiseled features. They've won the hard-earned
respect of the natives and are prepared to give up their lives for
African rebels who seek only to restore democracy and obtain a fair
price for their countries' mineral wealth.

By 2000, the military-security business was in the doldrums. An
unsettling amount of peace had broken out around the world, and the
demand for mercenaries fell off sharply. For the next few years,
Spicer's business activities seem to have been in some flux. A rough
chronology can be ascertained from press accounts. (Spicer's company
would not comment.) Spicer left Sandline in late 1999, and the next
year launched Crisis and Risk Management. In 2001 he changed the
company's name to Strategic Consulting International, and also set up
a partner firm specializing in anti-piracy consulting, called Trident
Maritime. In 2002, Spicer established Aegis Defence Services, which
around the beginning of the Iraq war was consulting for the Disney
Cruise Line. As Aegis grew, Spicer brought on a number of retired
British generals, including Major General Jeremy Phipps, who had led
the S.A.S. rescue of the Iranian Embassy hostages in London, in 1980,
and Field Marshal Lord Inge, a former chief of the Defence Staff. He
also brought on Ronald Reagan's former national-security adviser
Robert McFarlane, best known for his involvement in the Iran-contra
controversy.

After U.S. forces took Baghdad, in April of 2003, Aegis, like every
other private military company in the world, set out to elbow its way
in. The pot of gold was the $18.4 billion reconstruction fund. And
that money was in all likelihood just the beginning. If Iraq could be
stabilized, there was the prospect of an oil boom such as the world
had rarely seen.

Two things happened which, together, led to Spicer's big break. The
first occurred in March of 2004, when four Blackwater contractors were
ambushed and murdered in Fallujah. The Pentagon knew it couldn't
dispense with military contractors, but it now had leverage to make
them play by the military's rules. Henceforward, contractors would
keep the military informed of their movements. They would also carry
transponders, allowing the military to locate them in an emergency.
What the Pentagon needed was a single military contractor to manage
the new regime.

Spicer saw an opportunity after former colleague and British Army
brigadier general Tony Hunter-Choat became the head of security for
the Coalition Provisional Authority's Program Management Office-the
office that set out the terms for what would become the Aegis
contract. Hunter-Choat and Spicer had served together in Bosnia. And,
like Spicer, Hunter-Choat had had a colorful military career,
including fighting with the French Foreign Legion in Algeria in bygone
days. Leading up to the Iraq war, Hunter-Choat provided personal
security for the Aga Khan. Hunter-Choat's deputy, James Ellery,
another former British general, now sits on the Aegis board.

In May of 2004 the contract for coordinating private military
companies in Iraq was awarded to Aegis, which managed to beat out five
other corporate bidders. One of the competitors, DynCorp
International, protested, arguing that Aegis's bid had been more than
$80 million higher than DynCorp's. The protest went nowhere.

Tim Spicer was now a big fish in a big pond. Aside from running a new
Reconstruction Operations Center-a war room that tracks and
coordinates security contractors moving around Iraq-and six satellite
offices, Aegis also set up 75 security teams, and it serves as an
information clearinghouse for security contractors. Aegis decides who
can go where in Iraq. If a security detail is ambushed, Aegis
coordinates with the military to call in air attacks and ground
support. Apparently to cement his new status as the primus inter pares
of Iraqi security companies, Spicer set up the Aegis Foundation, to
deliver "low-cost, high-impact community development projects to
people who live in, or have suffered from, global conflict areas"-a
private humanitarian-relief fund. The message, one supposes, is that
Aegis is not in Iraq just for the money.

Typically, Spicer also reached out to the press, making the case that
Aegis was not really a mercenary army. In October of 2005 he led Jon
Swain, of the London Sunday Times, on a tour of Aegis operations in
Iraq. "We are not trying to fight a war," he told Swain. "There are
others equipped and paid to do that. We can fight if necessary, but
our whole ethos if we are attacked is to return fire and back off. We
are not war-fighting people. If we are escorting a client, our job is
to run."

"Those Were the Days"
The scramble into Iraq has led to the recruiting of hired guns who
definitely shouldn't be there. Last December a small caravan of what
looked to be Western mercenaries pulled up to a jail inside the Green
Zone and sprang one of the prisoners, a former Cabinet minister
accused of misusing about $2 billion. The Iraqi ex-minister also
happened to be an American citizen.

Finding the right personnel can pose a problem. Hart Security, a
private military company with roots in South Africa, recruited many of
its contractors from the ranks of the apartheid-era South African
army, among the most ruthless counter-insurgency forces ever known.
One of Hart's men was Gray Branfield, a former covert South African
operative who spent years assassinating leaders of the African
National Congress. After Branfield was killed, in Kut during the 2004
uprising of the Mahdi Army, and his history became public, Hart
Security said it had been unaware of his past. When I queried the
company about Branfield recently, a spokesperson explained that he had
been hired "through a subcontractor."

The private military company Erinys also had a South Africa problem.
In 2004 an Erinys subcontractor, Fran=E7ois Strydom, was killed by Iraqi
insurgents. It turned out that Strydom was a former member of the
notorious Koevoet, an arm of apartheid South Africa's counter-
insurgency campaign in what is now Namibia. There have been press
reports of a link between Erinys Iraq and Ahmad Chalabi (the onetime
head of the Iraqi National Congress, which was a conduit for the
fabricated intelligence used to justify the Iraq war), which both
Erinys Iraq and Chalabi deny. After securing an $80 million contract
to guard Iraq's oil infrastructure in 2003, Erinys did hire many of
the soldiers from Chalabi's U.S.-trained Free Iraqi Forces as guards.
Chalabi himself eventually became acting oil minister. He was probably
not the best custodian of Iraq's national treasure. (Among other
things, in 1992 he had been convicted in Jordan of defrauding the
country's Petra Bank of at least $30 million.) His foot soldiers were
not all that trustworthy, either. When I was in Iraq with Chalabi in
the mid-1990s, he was trying to sell his army to Washington as an
insurgent force that, properly equipped, could one day march on
Baghdad. It was nonsense. When the Kurds took on Saddam's V Corps
north of Kirkuk in March of 1995, overrunning three Iraqi divisions,
Chalabi's men sat out the fighting.

I wasn't surprised that Chalabi's army never morphed into Delta Force.
An F.B.I. official recently back from Iraq told me that agents
billeted next to Chalabi's mercenaries (now no longer employed by
Erinys Iraq) had had a real problem with them. They were stealing
everything, from F.B.I. computers to batteries for helicopters.

In an odd but lethal twist, it came out last November that the rogue
K=2EG.B. agent Alexander V. Litvinenko had visited the London office of
Erinys shortly before his death, by means of radiation poisoning,
leaving behind traces of polonium 210.

Step anywhere inside the world of private military companies and
you're suddenly in a demimonde where everything seems connected to
everything else. When retired general Jay Garner arrived in Iraq in
April of 2003 to become the country's civilian administrator, he hired
two former South African commandos as part of his security detail.
They were known to Garner only as Lion and Louwtjie, and they worked
for a company called Meteoric Tactical Solutions. (Where do they get
these names?) After Garner was replaced by Paul Bremer, the two
commandos went to work for Bernard Kerik, the former New York police
commissioner, whom Bremer had brought in to create an Iraqi police
force. Under a $600,000 contract, Meteoric agreed to provide Kerik's
protection and to help train the police.

So it came as something of a surprise when, in March of 2004, Lion and
Louwtjie were arrested in Harare, Zimbabwe, along with Tim Spicer's
friend and associate Simon Mann. They had been preparing to collect 61
Kalashnikov rifles, 45,000 rounds of ammunition, and 150 grenades, and
then to fly it all, together with 65 mercenaries, into Equatorial
Guinea and overthrow the government.

Equatorial Guinea, on the Bight of Biafra, is run by Teodoro Obiang
Nguema Mbasogo, one of the most corrupt and bizarre leaders in the
world. He has been accused of eating his opponents. To be sure, his
predecessor and uncle, Francisco Macias Nguema, was no better. In
1975, after a failed coup attempt, the elder Nguema had his Moroccan
palace guards shoot 150 accused conspirators in a soccer stadium,
while the palace band played "Those Were the Days." The country's
location in the armpit of Africa is all too apt. But among a certain
stratum of operatives, Equatorial Guinea has long represented a kind
of unholy grail-the subject of wistful, late-night "What if?"
conversations. The idea of overthrowing the government there is
tempting for two reasons. First, on a per capita basis Equatorial
Guinea produces more oil than Saudi Arabia. Second, Equatorial Guinea
has no military to speak of-nothing a lightly armed mercenary force
couldn't take care of. Unfortunately for Lion and Louwtjie, the coup
plans were an open secret, and South Africa tipped off Nguema just as
the coup got under way.

When Garner was asked in an NPR interview about Lion and Louwtjie's
arrest, he said he didn't see the significance. "Did it surprise me?
No, because the guys are in that kind of work, and they're tough
guys." Garner went on to compare fighting the Iraq war to playing
football. "It was a game of audibles," he said. "And every day you
walked up to the line of scrimmage there and you looked down to see
what was across the line of scrimmage. You called a few audibles and
changed it."

Whose Side Are They On?
It's easy to imagine how a young man in Fallujah, where the
unemployment rate is now perhaps 70 percent, views private military
contractors. They arrive in the form of an armored GMC Suburban, with
smoked windows, bearing down at high speed. The closest thing to a
visible human being is the turret gunner. But in his Kevlar helmet and
blue-mirrored wraparound Oakleys, the gunner doesn't seem all that
human. The young Iraqi knows that the gunner makes more money in a
year than he will in a lifetime, that he is effectively immune from
prosecution, and that he won't hesitate to shoot if people don't get
out of the way fast enough.

One of the first things on the new Democratic agenda in Congress will
be to get a grip on military contractors. The question is: How tight
will that grip be? A five-word change in a federal provision, slipped
into recent Pentagon legislation, has the effect of bringing
contractors for the first time under the Uniform Code of Military
Justice. (Up to now, as one industry newsletter has noted, "not one
contractor of the entire military industry in Iraq has been charged
with any crime.") We'll see what happens. Private military companies-
companies providing security in the field-make up a $30-billion-a-year
industry globally, and with all the lobbying clout that comes from
that kind of money, getting any kind of grip won't be easy. And the
mercenaries have many friends, who move in and out of government. The
current deputy director of the C.I.A., Steve Kappes, came from
ArmorGroup, a private military company that has security contracts in
Iraq. Before Kappes was at ArmorGroup, he was at the C.I.A. Cofer
Black, a former counterterrorism chief at the C.I.A. and then the
coordinator for counterterrorism at the State Department, with
ambassadorial rank, left to become the vice-chairman of Blackwater,
which does much of its business in Iraq. The pieces all fit a little
too snugly.

Iraq will wind down one day, and America and Britain will pull out.
Tim Spicer talks bravely about how private military contractors will
stay and finish the job, but Aegis and the other companies won't in
fact be running the show. Some will be racing the troops to the
Kuwaiti or Jordanian border. Others, especially in the relatively
stable North and South, will stay on, living off the oil industry and
worming their way into local business opportunities, not all of them
on the sunny side of the street. Spicer and his caste of ex-soldiers
turned mercenaries will never be out of work. There will always be
wars in obscure places, where we won't or can't send our own soldiers,
either because the military is too small or the political fallout is
too large. You really want to do something about places like Rwanda
and Darfur? Who are you going to call?

Last year Cofer Black addressed a convention of mercenaries in Jordan,
and he floated a plan to create a full-size Blackwater brigade, ready
to be deployed virtually anywhere, for a price. "It's an intriguing,
good idea from a practical standpoint because we're low-cost and
fast," Black explained. "The issue is: Who's going to let us play on
their team?"

Robert Baer is a former C.I.A. officer. His most recent book

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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: USING PROFESSIONAL KILLERS TO SUBDUE IRAQ
Date: 9 Mar 2007 06:21:09 -0800
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On Mar 9, 9:18 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> The Business of War
> Iraq's Mercenary King
>
> As a former C.I.A. agent, the author knows how mercenaries work: in
> the shadows. But how did a notorious former British officer, Tim
> Spicer, come to coordinate the second-largest army in Iraq-the tens of
> thousands of private security contractors?
> by Robert Baer April 2007 Last spring, in Los Angeles, I met with a
> producer and a screenwriter who were trolling for a good story to turn
> into a movie-specifically, a story about a pair of colorful
> adventurers, maybe mercenaries, who get into serious trouble seeking a
> fortune in Africa. I wasn't much help. I had spent little time in
> Africa-only a couple of brief trips to Nigeria and Liberia during my
> time in the C.I.A. But I promised them I'd ask around when I got to
> London, a city with more colorful adventurers per block than anywhere
> else in the world.
>
> I knew my share of them: rogue oil traders, art forgers, exiled
> presidents, disgraced journalists, arms dealers. There was also the
> Jordanian prince who had once offered to smuggle me into Ramadi, in
> Iraq's anarchic Anbar Province, in exchange for 100 sheep. People like
> these are pretty much the currency of C.I.A. agents.
>
> Tim Spicer at his London home. Photograph by Les Wilson.
> In London, the consensus was that if I wanted a good African yarn I
> needed to talk to Tim Spicer. He knew or could get to every mercenary,
> adventurer, or promoter who had ever cast a shadow on that continent.
>
> I knew who Spicer was. He'd popped up on the C.I.A.'s radar after he
> retired from the British Army and went to work, in 1996, as the C.E.O.
> of Sandline International, a private military company offering
> "operational support" to "legitimate governments." A year later Spicer
> was in Papua New Guinea, where he fielded a mercenary army for the
> government in order to protect a multi-national copper-mining company.
> After Spicer was expelled, he moved on to Sierra Leone, this time
> helping to ship arms to coup plotters. Spicer's name resurfaced in
> 2004 in connection with a putsch aimed at Equatorial Guinea, allegedly
> led by Simon Mann, his friend, former army colleague, and onetime
> business associate. Though questioned by British officials, Spicer was
> not implicated in the incident.
>
> But then, somehow, two months later, Spicer's company, known as Aegis
> Defence Services, landed a $293 million Pentagon contract to
> coordinate security for reconstruction projects, as well as support
> for other private military companies, in Iraq. This effectively put
> him in command of the second-largest foreign armed force in the country
> -behind America's but ahead of Britain's. These men aren't officially
> part of the Coalition of the Willing, because they're all paid
> contractors-the Coalition of the Billing, you might call it-but
> they're a crucial part of the coalition's forces nonetheless.
>
> The atrium of Spicer's slick, modern building, near Victoria Station,
> drinks light. The polished floors, smoked glass, silent elevators, and
> polite, efficient receptionist put you in mind more of an A-list
> Hollywood production company than of the lair of a mercenary and arms
> dealer. I thought I knew what Spicer was after: to clean up his past,
> achieve respectability.
>
> Still fit and agile at 54, Spicer stood up behind his desk and walked
> across the office to shake my hand. The lime cardigan sweater, a desk
> piled with files and books, the French bulldog asleep in the corner-it
> all proclaimed that Spicer hadn't quite settled into his new role as a
> C.E.O. He's a field man at heart, more comfortable on the front lines
> of some war-at the "sharp end," as he puts it.
>
> Spicer liked the idea of a movie about Africa. He mentioned the names
> of a couple of friends, old Africa hands, whose stories might
> contribute the spine of a plot. Most of them lived in South Africa. He
> proposed half a dozen locations where a pair of adventurers could get
> into particularly serious trouble, from the Congo to Mali. I suspected
> that talking about Hollywood was a welcome diversion for Spicer, given
> how badly things were going in Iraq.
>
> Spicer and I had a lot in common. We had both spent much of our lives
> in the back of beyond, serving governments that preferred not to have
> to acknowledge us. We both left government service at a relatively
> young age and were tempted back into the same shadowy world we had
> come from, trying to sell a set of skills that weren't especially
> useful anywhere else.
>
> We talked a little about spy fiction, agreeing that other than le
> Carr=E9 the genre was thin. I happened to have with me a copy of John
> Banville's The Untouchable, a fine novel loosely based on the
> Cambridge Five spy ring. Spicer copied down the title. He spent his
> life on planes these days and had a lot of time to read.
>
> As I walked back to Victoria Station, I couldn't help wondering how
> Spicer had ascended so quickly from notorious mercenary to corporate
> titan. What had he done to wangle that fat Iraq contract from the
> Pentagon? Serving 20 years with the British military in the toughest
> parts of the world was certainly one qualification. So was being
> smart, connected, and personable. But how had he overcome the taint of
> Sierra Leone and Papua New Guinea, two scandals indelibly attached to
> his name? Apparently the Pentagon had decided that an Africa hand
> could do in Iraq what the American military couldn't: subdue the most
> xenophobic and violent people in the Middle East. But that was the
> problem. Iraq isn't Africa. Iraqis shoot back.
>
> Black Death
> Frankly, I have always had my doubts about private military
> contractors. A few days after Baghdad fell, in 2003, I was in Iraq
> working as an adviser to ABC News. It was a time when Iraq was still
> wide open and you could pretty much go where you wanted to. I
> persuaded ABC to send me to Awjah, Saddam Hussein's natal village, a
> few miles south of Tikrit. Awjah was where Saddam drew his inner
> circle from (and it is where he is buried). It was his refuge when
> things were going badly. I thought Awjah's reaction to Saddam's fall
> would be a good story.
>
> ABC arranged for a Suburban and a driver. Although I didn't see the
> need-I speak Arabic and had worked in Iraq before-ABC also insisted
> that a security escort go with me. The escort turned out to be a
> former British military officer. He was a pleasant enough fellow, but
> he didn't speak Arabic and had been in the country only a week.
>
> Except for the occasional armor column moving north, there was almost
> no traffic on the main Baghdad-Tikrit road. Every once in a while, a
> low-flying F-16 shook the car. At the intersection with the road to
> Awjah we stopped and asked an army patrol if it was safe to drive into
> the village. The soldier didn't know; the army had bypassed Awjah. We
> would be on our own.
>
> By the time we came around a bend and saw the roadblock manned by half
> a dozen armed men in kaffiyehs, it was too late to turn back. The
> driver, a Shiite, was in a cold sweat. Just the name Awjah struck fear
> in him-it was the heart of Sunni country, the monster's lair.
>
> One of the men stuck a shotgun in the driver's face and asked who the
> hell we were. You could see these people wanted blood. It wasn't a
> surprise. They probably were all related to Saddam. The U.S. had just
> deposed the man who had kept them safe and prosperous for the last 35
> years. Our British security escort wondered if it wouldn't be a good
> idea to show them our Jordanian press cards. No: that would actually
> be a very bad idea. The cards would identify us as Americans.
>
> Instead, I stuck my head out the window and yelled in Arabic, "We're
> French. It's not our damned war." The man lowered his shotgun and let
> us pass.
>
> That benign little ruse would do no good at all today; the situation
> is too far gone. Now anyone with the misfortune to have business
> outside the Green Zone travels in an armored car with heavily armed
> private military escorts. One of their tactics has been to shoot first
> and ask questions later, and Iraqis have referred to some of these
> contractors as "black death." Some of them have been accused of
> shooting Iraqis for sport.
>
> In November of 2005 a disgruntled Aegis ex-employee posted a so-called
> "trophy video" on the Internet depicting Aegis contractors-Tim
> Spicer's men-shooting at Iraqis in civilian cars. In one sequence, the
> Aegis team opens fire with an automatic weapon at an approaching
> silver Mercedes. The Mercedes rams a taxi, sending the taxi's
> occupants running. In another sequence, an Aegis employee fires at a
> white sedan, running it off the road. Elvis Presley's "Mystery Train"
> provides the soundtrack. Aegis subsequently conducted an investigation
> and concluded that the actions represented "legitimate operations"
> undertaken in compliance with the rules of engagement. Aegis argued
> further that the video was "taken out of context" and noted that there
> was no evidence that civilians had been killed. The Pentagon looked
> into the video and declined to take further steps.
>
> According to a February 2006 Government Accountability Office report,
> there were approximately 48,000 private military contractors in Iraq,
> employed by 181 different companies. There may now be many more. These
> are the kinds of people Tim Spicer and Aegis are supposed to
> coordinate. The bulk of the military contractors are American and
> British, with a sprinkling of other nationalities. Formal oversight is
> lax, to put it mildly. Many are retired from elite units such as the
> British Special Air Service or the U.S. Special Forces. According to a
> report in The Economist, a former British official who now heads a
> trade association for private military companies estimates that
> mercenaries are Britain's largest export to Iraq. Not food, medicine,
> or construction material-mercenaries.
>
> No one planned for a private army of this size. Like most things in
> the Iraq war, it just happened. After the Iraq National Museum was
> looted, in April of 2003, and even four months later, after the U.N.
> headquarters was destroyed by a car bomb, the Pentagon assumed it was
> dealing with garden-variety crime and terrorism-nothing a good whiff
> of grapeshot couldn't quell. With U.S. forces stretched thin, why not
> let private military contractors deal with routine security? They
> could protect the coalition offices, the supply shipments, the
> embassies, and also the reconstruction teams, the journalists, the
> U.N. workers, and the aid organizations. After all, guns for hire in
> Afghanistan had been keeping Hamid Karzai alive.
>
> As the security situation deteriorated and the insurgency became more
> sophisticated, the contractors were forced to adapt, operating as
> small military units, carrying automatic weapons and rocket launchers,
> and traveling in convoys of heavily armored S.U.V.'s. Their tactics
> included driving at 90 miles an hour or more and shooting at any
> vehicle that appeared to be a threat. In some cases, military
> contractors fought pitched battles. Today, when they get in trouble,
> contractors can call on help in the form of military air support or a
> quick-reaction force.
>
> Who are these contractors? Watch the passengers in Dubai waiting for
> flights to Kabul and Baghdad and you'll get an idea. Half of them are
> fortysomething, a little paunchy, their hair thinning. They haven't
> done a pull-up or run an obstacle course in 20 years. You have to
> suspect that many are divorced and paying alimony, child support, and
> mortgages on houses they don't live in. The other half, in their late
> 20s and early 30s, have been enticed into leaving the military early,
> quadrupling their salaries by entering the private sector. They bulge
> out of their T-shirts, bang knuckles, shoulder-bump. They can't wait
> to get into the action.
>
> The mercenaries crowd the duty-free counters buying boxes of Cuban
> Cohiba cigars and bottles of Jack Daniel's-nights on mortar watch can
> be very long. There's no doubt they can afford it. Men with service in
> an elite military unit have been known to make up to $1,500 a day.
> More typically a Western military contractor will earn $180,000 a
> year. Depending on the contract, benefits can include a hundred days
> of leave, kidnapping insurance, health insurance, and life insurance.
>
> Iraq is not exactly a place you'd want to call home, but after a tough
> day on Baghdad's bloody streets there's always the Green Zone, an air-
> conditioned trailer, a Whopper, and an iced latte. Other than the very
> real threat of getting killed, the only cloud on the horizon is having
> your job outsourced. As private security companies have learned how to
> do business in Iraq, they also have figured out how to reduce costs,
> often by hiring less expensive help. Chileans, Filipinos, Nepalese,
> and Bosnians come a lot cheaper. Almost three dozen former Colombian
> soldiers are suing Blackwater USA, one of the largest private military
> companies in Iraq, for breach of contract. According to the
> Colombians, Blackwater at the last minute reduced their rate of pay to
> $34 a day. It's virtually slave labor compared with what a Brit or an
> American gets.
>
> Spicer of Arabia
> If you look at Tim Spicer's military career and his subsequent years
> as a mercenary, you won't be surprised that he has thrived in Iraq's
> Mad Max world of military contractors and easy money.
> Born in 1952 in Aldershot, England, Spicer followed his father into
> the army, attending Sandhurst and then joining the Scots Guards. He
> applied to the S.A.S., Britain's elite commando force, but failed the
> selection course. Spicer saw his first combat in 1982, when he was
> pulled off guard duty at the Tower of London and sent to the Falkland
> Islands. He took part in the Battle of Mount Tumbledown, which led to
> the capture of Stanley, the capital; he likes to play up his
> sangfroid, recounting how before the battle he had hoped to enjoy a
> good cigar (unfortunately the cigar had been damaged). Spicer would
> serve in two other foreign wars, with British forces in the 1991 Gulf
> War and with the U.N. in Bosnia.
>
> During a posting in Northern Ireland in 1992, Spicer experienced his
> first taste of public controversy when two soldiers under his command
> shot an unarmed teenage father of two in the back, killing him. The
> soldiers were tried, convicted of murder, and imprisoned for life.
> However, as part of a murky deal at the time of the 1998 Good Friday
> Agreement, the soldiers were released. Spicer successfully argued for
> their return to their unit. In November 2006 the mother of the
> murdered teenager threatened to explore legal action against the
> British government unless Spicer's company was barred from other
> British-government contracts in war zones.
>
> Spicer retired from the army in 1995, soon enough hanging out his
> shingle as a gun for hire, continuing a long tradition of British
> military officers who return to the colonies to make their fortune, or
> at least to compensate for a lean retirement. His friend Simon Mann
> introduced Spicer to Tony Buckingham, another former British military
> officer, with whom Mann had founded a security consultancy firm called
> Executive Outcomes in the early 1990s. According to Spicer's
> autobiography, upon meeting, Buckingham asked Spicer if he had any
> interest in setting up what would later become known as a private
> military company.
>
> Spicer is led to court in Papua New Guinea in 1997. Hired to protect a
> copper mine, he and his associates ran afoul of the local military. By
> Rick Rycroft/AP Photo.
> A year later, in 1996, with Buckingham's backing, Spicer started
> Sandline International, advertising its services as "special forces
> rapid reaction." The exact relationship between Sandline and Executive
> Outcomes has been unclear in press accounts, but Spicer has reportedly
> admitted that they were "closely linked." Sandline's first contract,
> in 1997, was with the government of Papua New Guinea, which wanted a
> mercenary force to protect a copper mine in Bougainville, in a
> rebellious part of the country. The deal fell apart when the P.N.G.
> Army found out that Sandline was being paid $36 million for a job the
> army thought it should be doing. The government was overthrown in a
> coup, and Spicer was arrested and brought before a military inquiry.
> He was eventually released and successfully sued Papua New Guinea for
> moneys owed.
>
> With notoriety apparently not an impediment, in 1998 Spicer landed
> another contract involving Sierra Leone, this time helping ship 30
> tons of Bulgarian arms to forces backing Ahmed Tejan Kabbah, the
> president in exile. At the time, Sierra Leone was under a U.N.
> embargo. When Spicer's activities became public, the "Arms-to-Africa"
> scandal reverberated through British politics, implicating Tony
> Blair's government. Spicer claimed to have told certain British
> officials all along the way about the arms shipment, allowing him to
> make the case later that there had been implicit British-government
> approval.
>
> One thing you notice from his career is that Spicer has a flair for
> self-promotion, a skill he says he started to pick up by observing the
> press during the Vietnam War. After the Gulf War, Spicer served as
> military aide to the former British commander General Sir Peter de la
> Billi=E8re. Spicer reportedly persuaded British Airways to comp tickets
> on the Concorde for de la Billi=E8re, himself, and their wives to attend
> the postwar parade in New York. In Bosnia he served as the press
> attach=E9 to General Sir Michael Rose, the commander of U.N. forces.
> Spicer is openly fascinated by Lawrence of Arabia, once pausing with
> an interviewer in front of Lawrence's motorcycle, in the Imperial War
> Museum.
>
> In an attempt to burnish his reputation, Spicer paid a publicist, Sara
> Pearson, to arrange for his autobiography to be ghostwritten. Though
> largely ignored, An Unorthodox Soldier (1999) gave Spicer a platform
> to make the case that in Papua New Guinea and Sierra Leone he was
> working for legitimate governments. Companies like his, he argued, do
> have a place in the modern comity of nations. Spicer also made clear
> what he thinks of people who disparage men like himself but have never
> seen a shot fired in anger: "the gutless, the boring and the useless
> who pontificate and cower.... I feel sorry for them-they've never been
> to the edge and looked over. They'd be better off if they did."
>
> Spicer doesn't like the term "mercenary" or "gun for hire," picturing
> himself rather as a 19th-century British adventurer, fighting on the
> side of civilization. There's more than a little of Flashman in
> Spicer. He cultivates a playboy image, driving an Aston Martin, dating
> beautiful women, and living in a mansion in South London. His annual
> compensation at Aegis has been estimated to be as high as $20 million.
> At the inquiry in Papua New Guinea, he was seen carrying what appeared
> to be a biography of Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond. But
> Spicer has said that in fact under the dust jacket was a biography of
> General Vo Nguyen Giap, the Vietnamese Communist who masterminded the
> siege of Dien Bien Phu. One of Aegis's investors is Spicer's friend
> the novelist Frederick Forsyth, who wrote the classic mercenary novel
> The Dogs of War. You pick it up, read a few pages, and know exactly
> where it's going. The mercenaries are all intelligent and reserved,
> with square jaws and chiseled features. They've won the hard-earned
> respect of the natives and are prepared to give up their lives for
> African rebels who seek only to restore democracy and obtain a fair
> price for their countries' mineral wealth.
>
> By 2000, the military-security business was in the doldrums. An
> unsettling amount of peace had broken out around the world, and the
> demand for mercenaries fell off sharply. For the next few years,
> Spicer's business activities seem to have been in some flux. A rough
> chronology can be ascertained from press accounts. (Spicer's company
> would not comment.) Spicer left Sandline in late 1999, and the next
> year launched Crisis and Risk Management. In 2001 he changed the
> company's name to Strategic Consulting International, and also set up
> a partner firm specializing in anti-piracy consulting, called Trident
> Maritime. In 2002, Spicer established Aegis Defence Services, which
> around the beginning of the Iraq war was consulting for the Disney
> Cruise Line. As Aegis grew, Spicer brought on a number of retired
> British generals, including Major General Jeremy Phipps, who had led
> the S.A.S. rescue of the Iranian Embassy hostages in London, in 1980,
> and Field Marshal Lord Inge, a former chief of the Defence Staff. He
> also brought on Ronald Reagan's former national-security adviser
> Robert McFarlane, best known for his involvement in the Iran-contra
> controversy.
>
> After U.S. forces took Baghdad, in April of 2003, Aegis, like every
> other private military company in the world, set out to elbow its way
> in. The pot of gold was the $18.4 billion reconstruction fund. And
> that money was in all likelihood just the beginning. If Iraq could be
> stabilized, there was the prospect of an oil boom such as the world
> had rarely seen.
>
> Two things happened which, together, led to Spicer's big break. The
> first occurred in March of 2004, when four Blackwater contractors were
> ambushed and murdered in Fallujah. The Pentagon knew it couldn't
> dispense with military contractors, but it now had leverage to make
> them play by the military's rules. Henceforward, contractors would
> keep the military informed of their movements. They would also carry
> transponders, allowing the military to locate them in an emergency.
> What the Pentagon needed was a single military contractor to manage
> the new regime.
>
> Spicer saw an opportunity after former colleague and British Army
> brigadier general Tony Hunter-Choat became the head of security for
> the Coalition Provisional Authority's Program Management Office-the
> office that set out the terms for what would become the Aegis
> contract. Hunter-Choat and Spicer had served together in Bosnia. And,
> like Spicer, Hunter-Choat had had a colorful military career,
> including fighting with the French Foreign Legion in Algeria in bygone
> days. Leading up to the Iraq war, Hunter-Choat provided personal
> security for the Aga Khan. Hunter-Choat's deputy, James Ellery,
> another former British general, now sits on the Aegis board.
>
> In May of 2004 the contract for coordinating private military
> companies in Iraq was awarded to Aegis, which managed to beat out five
> other corporate bidders. One of the competitors, DynCorp
> International, protested, arguing that Aegis's bid had been more than
> $80 million higher than DynCorp's. The protest went nowhere.
>
> Tim Spicer was now a big fish in a big pond. Aside from running a new
> Reconstruction Operations Center-a war room that tracks and
> coordinates security contractors moving around Iraq-and six satellite
> offices, Aegis also set up 75 security teams, and it serves as an
> information clearinghouse for security contractors. Aegis decides who
> can go where in Iraq. If a security detail is ambushed, Aegis
> coordinates with the military to call in air attacks and ground
> support. Apparently to cement his new status as the primus inter pares
> of Iraqi security companies, Spicer set up the Aegis Foundation, to
> deliver "low-cost, high-impact community development projects to
> people who live in, or have suffered from, global conflict areas"-a
> private humanitarian-relief fund. The message, one supposes, is that
> Aegis is not in Iraq just for the money.
>
> Typically, Spicer also reached out to the press, making the case that
> Aegis was not really a mercenary army. In October of 2005 he led Jon
> Swain, of the London Sunday Times, on a tour of Aegis operations in
> Iraq. "We are not trying to fight a war," he told Swain. "There are
> others equipped and paid to do that. We can fight if necessary, but
> our whole ethos if we are attacked is to return fire and back off. We
> are not war-fighting people. If we are escorting a client, our job is
> to run."
>
> "Those Were the Days"
> The scramble into Iraq has led to the recruiting of hired guns who
> definitely shouldn't be there. Last December a small caravan of what
> looked to be Western mercenaries pulled up to a jail inside the Green
> Zone and sprang one of the prisoners, a former Cabinet minister
> accused of misusing about $2 billion. The Iraqi ex-minister also
> happened to be an American citizen.
>
> Finding the right personnel can pose a problem. Hart Security, a
> private military company with roots in South Africa, recruited many of
> its contractors from the ranks of the apartheid-era South African
> army, among the most ruthless counter-insurgency forces ever known.
> One of Hart's men was Gray Branfield, a former covert South African
> operative who spent years assassinating leaders of the African
> National Congress. After Branfield was killed, in Kut during the 2004
> uprising of the Mahdi Army, and his history became public, Hart
> Security said it had been unaware of his past. When I queried the
> company about Branfield recently, a spokesperson explained that he had
> been hired "through a subcontractor."
>
> The private military company Erinys also had a South Africa problem.
> In 2004 an Erinys subcontractor, Fran=E7ois Strydom, was killed by Iraqi
> insurgents. It turned out that Strydom was a former member of the
> notorious Koevoet, an arm of apartheid South Africa's counter-
> insurgency campaign in what is now Namibia. There have been press
> reports of a link between Erinys Iraq and Ahmad Chalabi (the onetime
> head of the Iraqi National Congress, which was a conduit for the
> fabricated intelligence used to justify the Iraq war), which both
> Erinys Iraq and Chalabi deny. After securing an $80 million contract
> to guard Iraq's oil infrastructure in 2003, Erinys did hire many of
> the soldiers from Chalabi's U.S.-trained Free Iraqi Forces as guards.
> Chalabi himself eventually became acting oil minister. He was probably
> not the best custodian of Iraq's national treasure. (Among other
> things, in 1992 he had been convicted in Jordan of defrauding the
> country's Petra Bank of at least $30 million.) His foot soldiers were
> not all that trustworthy, either. When I was in Iraq with Chalabi in
> the mid-1990s, he was trying to sell his army to Washington as an
> insurgent force that, properly equipped, could one day march on
> Baghdad. It was nonsense. When the Kurds took on Saddam's V Corps
> north of Kirkuk in March of 1995, overrunning three Iraqi divisions,
> Chalabi's men sat out the fighting.
>
> I wasn't surprised that Chalabi's army never morphed into Delta Force.
> An F.B.I. official recently back from Iraq told me that agents
> billeted next to Chalabi's mercenaries (now no longer employed by
> Erinys Iraq) had had a real problem with them. They were stealing
> everything, from F.B.I. computers to batteries for helicopters.
>
> In an odd but lethal twist, it came out last November that the rogue
> K.G.B. agent Alexander V. Litvinenko had visited the London office of
> Erinys shortly before his death, by means of radiation poisoning,
> leaving behind traces of polonium 210.
>
> Step anywhere inside the world of private military companies and
> you're suddenly in a demimonde where everything seems connected to
> everything else. When retired general Jay Garner arrived in Iraq in
> April of 2003 to become the country's civilian administrator, he hired
> two former South African commandos as part of his security detail.
> They were known to Garner only as Lion and Louwtjie, and they worked
> for a company called Meteoric Tactical Solutions. (Where do they get
> these names?) After Garner was replaced by Paul Bremer, the two
> commandos went to work for Bernard Kerik, the former New York police
> commissioner, whom Bremer had brought in to create an Iraqi police
> force. Under a $600,000 contract, Meteoric agreed to provide Kerik's
> protection and to help train the police.
>
> So it came as something of a surprise when, in March of 2004, Lion and
> Louwtjie were arrested in Harare, Zimbabwe, along with Tim Spicer's
> friend and associate Simon Mann. They had been preparing to collect 61
> Kalashnikov rifles, 45,000 rounds of ammunition, and 150 grenades, and
> then to fly it all, together with 65 mercenaries, into Equatorial
> Guinea and overthrow the government.
>
> Equatorial Guinea, on the Bight of Biafra, is run by Teodoro Obiang
> Nguema Mbasogo, one of the most corrupt and bizarre leaders in the
> world. He has been accused of eating his opponents. To be sure, his
> predecessor and uncle, Francisco Macias Nguema, was no better. In
> 1975, after a failed coup attempt, the elder Nguema had his Moroccan
> palace guards shoot 150 accused conspirators in a soccer stadium,
> while the palace band played "Those Were the Days." The country's
> location in the armpit of Africa is all too apt. But among a certain
> stratum of operatives, Equatorial Guinea has long represented a kind
> of unholy grail-the subject of wistful, late-night "What if?"
> conversations. The idea of overthrowing the government there is
> tempting for two reasons. First, on a per capita basis Equatorial
> Guinea produces more oil than Saudi Arabia. Second, Equatorial Guinea
> has no military to speak of-nothing a lightly armed mercenary force
> couldn't take care of. Unfortunately for Lion and Louwtjie, the coup
> plans were an open secret, and South Africa tipped off Nguema just as
> the coup got under way.
>
> When Garner was asked in an NPR interview about Lion and Louwtjie's
> arrest, he said he didn't see the significance. "Did it surprise me?
> No, because the guys are in that kind of work, and they're tough
> guys." Garner went on to compare fighting the Iraq war to playing
> football. "It was a game of audibles," he said. "And every day you
> walked up to the line of scrimmage there and you looked down to see
> what was across the line of scrimmage. You called a few audibles and
> changed it."
>
> Whose Side Are They On?
> It's easy to imagine how a young man in Fallujah, where the
> unemployment rate is now perhaps 70 percent, views private military
> contractors. They arrive in the form of an armored GMC Suburban, with
> smoked windows, bearing down at high speed. The closest thing to a
> visible human being is the turret gunner. But in his Kevlar helmet and
> blue-mirrored wraparound Oakleys, the gunner doesn't seem all that
> human. The young Iraqi knows that the gunner makes more money in a
> year than he will in a lifetime, that he is effectively immune from
> prosecution, and that he won't hesitate to shoot if people don't get
> out of the way fast enough.
>
> One of the first things on the new Democratic agenda in Congress will
> be to get a grip on military contractors. The question is: How tight
> will that grip be? A five-word change in a federal provision, slipped
> into recent Pentagon legislation, has the effect of bringing
> contractors for the first time under the Uniform Code of Military
> Justice. (Up to now, as one industry newsletter has noted, "not one
> contractor of the entire military industry in Iraq has been charged
> with any crime.") We'll see what happens. Private military companies-
> companies providing security in the field-make up a $30-billion-a-year
> industry globally, and with all the lobbying clout that comes from
> that kind of money, getting any kind of grip won't be easy. And the
> mercenaries have many friends, who move in and out of government. The
> current deputy director of the C.I.A., Steve Kappes, came from
> ArmorGroup, a private military company that has security contracts in
> Iraq. Before Kappes was at ArmorGroup, he was at the C.I.A. Cofer
> Black, a former counterterrorism chief at the C.I.A. and then the
> coordinator for counterterrorism at the State Department, with
> ambassadorial rank, left to become the vice-chairman of Blackwater,
> which does much of its business in Iraq. The pieces all fit a little
> too snugly.
>
> Iraq will wind down one day, and America and Britain will pull out.
> Tim Spicer talks bravely about how private military contractors will
> stay and finish the job, but Aegis and the other companies won't in
> fact be running the show. Some will be racing the troops to the
> Kuwaiti or Jordanian border. Others, especially in the relatively
> stable North and South, will stay on, living off the oil industry and
> worming their way into local business opportunities, not all of them
> on the sunny side of the street. Spicer and his caste of ex-soldiers
> turned mercenaries will never be out of work. There will always be
> wars in obscure places, where we won't or can't send our own soldiers,
> either because the military is too small or the political fallout is
> too large. You really want to do something about places like Rwanda
> and Darfur? Who are you going to call?
>
> Last year Cofer Black addressed a convention of mercenaries in Jordan,
> and he floated a plan to create a full-size Blackwater brigade, ready
> to be deployed virtually anywhere, for a price. "It's an intriguing,
> good idea from a practical standpoint because we're low-cost and
> fast," Black explained. "The issue is: Who's going to let us play on
> their team?"
>
> Robert Baer is a former C.I.A. officer. His most recent book
>
> link

There Bernard, there is an opening for you!



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 Priests to Purify Site After Bush Visit

By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, March 8, 2007

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(03-08) 21:20 PST GUATEMALA CITY, (AP) --

Mayan priests will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate
"bad spirits" after President Bush visits next week, an official with
close ties to the group said Thursday.

"That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant
brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going
to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and
their culture," Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental
organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders,
said Thursday.

Bush's seven-day tour of Latin America includes a stopover beginning
late Sunday in Guatemala. On Monday morning he is scheduled to visit
the archaeological site Iximche on the high western plateau in a
region of the Central American country populated mostly by Mayans.

Tiney said the "spirit guides of the Mayan community" decided it would
be necessary to cleanse the sacred site of "bad spirits" after Bush's
visit so that their ancestors could rest in peace. He also said the
rites - which entail chanting and burning incense, herbs and candles -
would prepare the site for the third summit of Latin American Indians
March 26-30.

Bush's trip has already has sparked protests elsewhere in Latin
America, including protests and clashes with police in Brazil hours
before his arrival. In Bogota, Colombia, which Bush will visit on
Sunday, 200 masked students battled 300 riot police with rocks and
small homemade explosives.

The tour is aimed at challenging a widespread perception that the
United States has neglected the region and at combatting the rising
influence of Venezuelan leftist President Hugo Chavez, who has called
Bush "history's greatest killer" and "the devil."

Iximche, 30 miles west of the capital of Guatemala City, was founded
as the capital of the Kaqchiqueles kingdom before the Spanish conquest
in 1524.



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 Priests to Purify Site After Bush Visit

By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, March 8, 2007

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(03-08) 21:20 PST GUATEMALA CITY, (AP) --

Mayan priests will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate
"bad spirits" after President Bush visits next week, an official with
close ties to the group said Thursday.

"That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant
brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going
to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and
their culture," Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental
organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders,
said Thursday.

Bush's seven-day tour of Latin America includes a stopover beginning
late Sunday in Guatemala. On Monday morning he is scheduled to visit
the archaeological site Iximche on the high western plateau in a
region of the Central American country populated mostly by Mayans.

Tiney said the "spirit guides of the Mayan community" decided it would
be necessary to cleanse the sacred site of "bad spirits" after Bush's
visit so that their ancestors could rest in peace. He also said the
rites - which entail chanting and burning incense, herbs and candles -
would prepare the site for the third summit of Latin American Indians
March 26-30.

Bush's trip has already has sparked protests elsewhere in Latin
America, including protests and clashes with police in Brazil hours
before his arrival. In Bogota, Colombia, which Bush will visit on
Sunday, 200 masked students battled 300 riot police with rocks and
small homemade explosives.

The tour is aimed at challenging a widespread perception that the
United States has neglected the region and at combatting the rising
influence of Venezuelan leftist President Hugo Chavez, who has called
Bush "history's greatest killer" and "the devil."

Iximche, 30 miles west of the capital of Guatemala City, was founded
as the capital of the Kaqchiqueles kingdom before the Spanish conquest
in 1524.



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 Priests to Purify Site After Bush Visit

By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, March 8, 2007

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(03-08) 21:20 PST GUATEMALA CITY, (AP) --

Mayan priests will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate
"bad spirits" after President Bush visits next week, an official with
close ties to the group said Thursday.

"That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant
brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going
to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and
their culture," Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental
organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders,
said Thursday.

Bush's seven-day tour of Latin America includes a stopover beginning
late Sunday in Guatemala. On Monday morning he is scheduled to visit
the archaeological site Iximche on the high western plateau in a
region of the Central American country populated mostly by Mayans.

Tiney said the "spirit guides of the Mayan community" decided it would
be necessary to cleanse the sacred site of "bad spirits" after Bush's
visit so that their ancestors could rest in peace. He also said the
rites - which entail chanting and burning incense, herbs and candles -
would prepare the site for the third summit of Latin American Indians
March 26-30.

Bush's trip has already has sparked protests elsewhere in Latin
America, including protests and clashes with police in Brazil hours
before his arrival. In Bogota, Colombia, which Bush will visit on
Sunday, 200 masked students battled 300 riot police with rocks and
small homemade explosives.

The tour is aimed at challenging a widespread perception that the
United States has neglected the region and at combatting the rising
influence of Venezuelan leftist President Hugo Chavez, who has called
Bush "history's greatest killer" and "the devil."

Iximche, 30 miles west of the capital of Guatemala City, was founded
as the capital of the Kaqchiqueles kingdom before the Spanish conquest
in 1524.



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On Mar 9, 2:55 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> Coming to a neighborhood near you 57 million pages of Nazi crimes against
> humanity and supported bt the Muslims THEN & NOW.
>
 THAT BULLSHIT HAS BEEN COMING AND GOING FOR A DECADE. THE WHOLE
JEWISH HOLOCAUST CRAP IS JUST THAT5!



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On Mar 9, 12:37 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> About half of the so-called Palestinians came to the land of Israel in the
> decades following the return en masse of the Jewish Nation

WHAT BLOODY "JEWISH NATION" ARE YOU BLABBERING  ABOUT, DONKEY?



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JEWS ARE THE ONLY WHORES HERE. MAYBE THEY WILL ALL CROAK SOON!s




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 > Published on Saturday, November 4, 2006 by CommonDreams.org
>
> by Ira Chernus
>
> If you want to understand the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in a
> nutshell, just look at the New York Times editorial pages of November 1,
> 2006. Amazingly enough, the Times ran a full op-ed column by a top
> official of the Hamas party, Ahmed Yousef, a senior adviser to
> Palestinian prime minister Ismail Haniyeh. Yousef repeated the same
> offer Hamas has been making for years. In Arabic it's called a "hudna."
>
> As Yousef explained, a hudna is "a period of nonwar but only partial
> resolution of a conflict." It "extends beyond the Western concept of a
> cease-fire and obliges the parties to use the period to seek a
> permanent, nonviolent resolution to their differences." A hudna "affords
> the opportunity to humanize one's opponents and understand their
> position with the goal of resolving the intertribal or international
> dispute."
>
> "This offer of hudna is no ruse, as some assert, to strengthen our
> military machine," Yousef pleaded. And he offered several reasons to
> believe it: "A hudna is recognized in Islamic jurisprudence as a
> legitimate and binding contract. . It goes back to the Koran itself. .
> When Hamas gives its word to an international agreement, it does so in
> the name of God and will therefore keep its word. Hamas has honored its
> previous cease-fires, as Israelis grudgingly note with the oft-heard
> words, 'At least with Hamas they mean what they say.'"
>
> But what do they say and mean? In Israel, opinions differ.
>
> To offset its radical move of giving op-ed space to Hamas, the Times
> published, on the very same day, a letter from the rising star of
> Israel's far right, Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman. He
> claimed to know what Hamas says and means: Their declared aim is "to
> eradicate all Jews from Tel Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem" - in other words,
> to destroy the Jewish State - "and until they achieve that goal, they
> will not lay down their arms."
>
> At the other end of Israel's political spectrum, there are Israelis who
> have been urging their government for years to accept the long-standing
> Hamas offer of hudna. They are outraged to see a superhawk like
> Lieberman get the portfolio of Minister of Strategic Affairs. Zehava
> Galon, a leader of the left wing bloc in Israel's parliament, called the
> appointment "a terrorist attack on democracy."
>
> So the Times gave space to both ends of the political spectrum. That
> seems balanced. But the next day, in its letters column, the Times ran
> four letters in response. Though one applauded the Hamas offered, three
> denounced it, following Lieberman's lead, as bald-faced lying propaganda
> from a group dedicated to destroying Israel.
>
> For those who think actions speak louder than words, the Times also ran
> a news story about a major Israeli assault on Gaza that day, killing 8
> and wounding over 40. And it reported on a cabinet meeting that would
> consider Lieberman's plea much harsher measures against the Palestinians.
>
> For now, the Israeli cabinet has decided to hold off on harsher
> treatment, sticking to the present course, which has killed some 250
> Gazans in the last four months (while losing only three of their own
> soldiers). But they can count on the present course scuttling any chance
> for hudna and peace talks.
>
> This whole scenario has been played out before. Back in June Hamas
> leaders offered a hudna. On the same day, the Israelis began the renewed
> military action in Gaza which continues to this very day. Israeli
> leaders surely understood then what they still know now. Their policy
> has an absolutely predictable outcome. The angry Palestinian public will
> reject its own leaders' plans for peace.
>
> Indeed, the Hamas leaders have had to trim back their offer. In June,
> they offered a hudna that would automatically be renewed for an
> indefinite time. Now they are limiting it to 10 years. But in Middle
> Eastern politics, 10 years is close to an eternity.
>
> And Hamas leaders cannot say publicly the most important fact: In Muslim
> law, a hudna is offered only to a non-Muslim party that controls its own
> non-Muslim land. In other words (as I have noted in a previous column)
> by using the word "hudna," Hamas leaders are implicitly recognizing the
> permanent existence of Israel. Ahmed Yousef himself wrote that the hudna
> would involve "an immediate end to the occupation and to initiate a
> period of peaceful coexistence." That sounds like a veiled promise of a
> two-state solution.
>
> As Yousef told the British newspaper, The Guardian, Hamas leaders can't
> say that publicly because "there is no support in Gaza and the West Bank
> for recognition of Israel, and he could not propose such a change at
> present. 'If I did, I would end up like Michael Collins,' he said,
> referring to the Irish republican leader assassinated in 1922 for
> accepting an Irish two-state solution. 'We need to change people's minds
> on how they look at the conflict, and it will take time. The climate
> will change if we have a period of peace.'"
>
> But right-wing Israelis, who get most of the space in the Times' letters
> to the editor, simply won't believe that. They won't recognize the risk
> that Hamas leaders are taking by getting ahead of their own public on
> the path to peace. They would rather hold on to their unshakable faith
> that Jews are surrounded by anti-semitic enemies bent only on destroying
> them.
>
> Sadly, opinion polls show that fear-based right-wing view growing among
> Israeli Jews. They would rather hold on to their self-image as helpless
> victims than take any meaningful step toward peace.
>
> And the Israeli public relations machinery is working as effectively as
> ever to shape U.S. public opinion, too. The latest Hamas offer of hudna,
> like the ones before it, have been totally ignored in the U.S. media. If
> Israel had offered a radical new peace plan for the Middle East, it
> would have been headline news everywhere. But Ahmed Yousef's proposal
> got absolutely zero coverage. So very few Americans are even aware that
> the Palestinians have once again tried to push open the door to peace,
> only to have the Israelis slam it shut again.
>
> Ira Chernus is Professor of Religious Studies at the University of
> Colorado at Boulder. He is the author of "American Nonviolence: The
> History of an Idea" and "Monsters to Destroy: The Neoconservative War on
> Terror and Sin." Email to: cher...@colorado.edu.
>
> ###
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1104-26.htm
>
>
>
> > Michael

Perhaps Israelis reject hudna simply because themselves they are not
known for respecting agreements, thus they think that muslims also
will not honor the tacit conditions of hudna.Seems to me that imposing
hudna on both parties by someone like the Security Council followed by
the military enforcement might really work.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Mirelle, make good on your promise
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On Mar 10, 12:33 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> "Mirelle"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173288511.784182.141610@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I have posted many times that I am willing to abide by any requests the
> > First Nations make, to
> > have Justice. Including, trading places, and living on a reservation. Even
> > moving back to Europe, where I was born. I am as passionate, of the sad
> > plight of the First Nations, as I am about the Palestinians.
> > Mirelle
>
> to give up your home to the First Nations on whose lands you live, you
> left-fascist European hypocrite who came to the US to live on occupied
> lands.

she does not live in united states you stupid barking dog. And the
natives of Canada have their own autonomous country called Dene Land,
where Inuit language is taught and spoken. Whereas US nati ves have
only one opportunity left, is to go and die in the Jew war for the
bloody Jews.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - iii
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BORROWING FROM CHINA TO FEED THE FUCKING USELESS JEWS

Borrowing from China to give to israel'
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/788

Every day another American speaks out against israel. Soon there will
be no one left to support it.

A letter to the editor of The Olympian online:

Congress should deny foreign aid to Israel

Israel is again lobbying our Congress for its annual handout. If past
behavior is any indicator, Congress will borrow the money (from China)
to provide Israel an aid package worth over $5 billion. This
represents one-third of our foreign aid in spite of the fact Israel
makes up only 0.001 percent of the world's population, and has one of
the world's higher per capita incomes.

President Carter, in his book, "Peace, Not Apartheid," says our
unconditional support for Israel is a major source of worldwide anti-
American sentiment, and a factor in increasing our risk from
terrorists. In spite of the fact that a majority of Israelis favor an
end of the occupation and a two-state solution, the Israeli government
continues its illegal occupation of Palestinian territories,
confiscates its water resources and its most fertile land, builds
illegal settlements and brutally dominates all aspects of Palestinian
lives.

Financial aid from the United States provides the tanks, helicopter
gun ships and F-16s Israel uses to commit atrocities against a
population that has no military, no rights and no basic protections.

Jews deserve a homeland if they want one, but it should be on land
they have obtained lawfully. They deserve support and respect from the
international community but they must earn it by behaving like law-
abiding members of that community.

We need to tell our Congress to GROW A BACKBONE and say NO to the
Israeli lobby. Helping the world's poor (and our own poor) are more
honorable and worthy causes.

Carol Wilson, Olympia WA



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THIS EVIL PR4ESIDENT BORROWS FROM CHUINA TO FEED THE USELES JEWS

Borrowing from China to give to israel'
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/788

Every day another American speaks out against israel. Soon there will
be no one left to support it.

A letter to the editor of The Olympian online:

Congress should deny foreign aid to Israel

Israel is again lobbying our Congress for its annual handout. If past
behavior is any indicator, Congress will borrow the money (from China)
to provide Israel an aid package worth over $5 billion. This
represents one-third of our foreign aid in spite of the fact Israel
makes up only 0.001 percent of the world's population, and has one of
the world's higher per capita incomes.

President Carter, in his book, "Peace, Not Apartheid," says our
unconditional support for Israel is a major source of worldwide anti-
American sentiment, and a factor in increasing our risk from
terrorists. In spite of the fact that a majority of Israelis favor an
end of the occupation and a two-state solution, the Israeli government
continues its illegal occupation of Palestinian territories,
confiscates its water resources and its most fertile land, builds
illegal settlements and brutally dominates all aspects of Palestinian
lives.

Financial aid from the United States provides the tanks, helicopter
gun ships and F-16s Israel uses to commit atrocities against a
population that has no military, no rights and no basic protections.

Jews deserve a homeland if they want one, but it should be on land
they have obtained lawfully. They deserve support and respect from the
international community but they must earn it by behaving like law-
abiding members of that community.

We need to tell our Congress to GROW A BACKBONE and say NO to the
Israeli lobby. Helping the world's poor (and our own poor) are more
honorable and worthy causes.

Carol Wilson, Olympia WA



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Facts
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 THE DACT IS THAT ALL THE FUCKING JEWS HAVE NEVER BEEN TO PALESTINE,
UNTI L THE JEWISH TERROR SQUADS EXPELLED THE PALESTINIANS FROM THE
HOLY LAND! THERE IS NOTHING THAT PROVES THAT THE RUSSIANS AND GERMANS
OF JEWISH FAITH HAVE THE  NOTHING AT ALL



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: What does a Hudna was Re: ZIONAZIS HATE PEACE
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On Mar 10, 11:27 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173532088.087467.293...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > As Yousef explained, a hudna is "a period of nonwar but only partial
> > > resolution of a conflict." It "extends beyond the Western concept of a
> > > cease-fire and obliges the parties to use the period to seek a
> > > permanent, nonviolent resolution to their differences
>
> A lie and surely Alex you know enough on Islamic thought to know better
> then spreading these lies.
>
> According to Umdat as-Salik, a medieval summary of Shafi'i
> jurisprudence, hudnas with a non-Muslim enemy should be limited to 10
> years: "if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if
> necessary, for the Prophet made a truce with the Quraysh for that long,
> as is related by Abu Dawud" ('Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).
>
> --
 WHAT IS WRONG WITH HAVING TEN YEARS OF PEACE?



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 IF YOU WANT TO GO AFTER THE TERRORISTS, IT IS EASY TO FIND THEM THEY
CALLED
I S R A E L



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Subject: Re: Australians charged after anti-semitic attack
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On Mar 10, 2:16 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Describing the incident, which took place in Melbourne, the AJN report said
> that "Vorchheimer was verbally abused by a busload of players from Ocean
> Grove Football Club as he was walking to synagogue with his children on
> Simchat Torah (October 14).
>
> "After approaching the bus, which was stopped at an intersection,
> Vorchheimer had his hat stolen and was hit across the face, resulting in a
> deep cut below his left eye."
>
 Fucking Liar! It was only a scratch, and Melbourne Jews should stick
to their eruv in Toorak, not wonder around where civilized people live!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 Considering the fact that the survivors of SS Liberty knew all about
the mass murder of POW's, it is irrelevant if you try to whitewash or
not.

BTW, expect similar tyreatment for the kikes that fall in Arab hands



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: HOLOFUCKS UNLIMITED BY CRAZY MC VAY!
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 Still trying to tell lies about the Jewish crimes against the Russian
people!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Mirelle I'm waiting for you to make good
Date: 10 Mar 2007 21:32:17 -0800
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On Mar 10, 5:00 pm, Chip Anderson 
wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote innews:1173549476.659493.42090@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > THIS EVIL PR4ESIDENT BORROWS FROM CHUINA TO FEED THE USELES JEWS
>
> > Borrowing from China to give to israel'
> >http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/788
>
> > Every day another American speaks out against israel. Soon there will
> > be no one left to support it.
>
> -->snip<--
>
> Scientific polling shows more Americans are sympathetic towards Israel than
> before, while the Arabs of Palestine garner a very much smaller percentage.

Thus you have nothing to worry about, with Jews defending America you
will be safe from Arabs!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.history,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Mirelle I'm waiting for you to make good
Date: 10 Mar 2007 21:35:00 -0800
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On Mar 11, 12:02 am, Chip Anderson 
wrote:
> flav...@verizon.net wrote innews:lQKIh.1925$0W5.291@trndny05:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10-Mar-2007, Chip Anderson  wrote:
>
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in
> >>news:1173549476.659493.42090@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > THIS EVIL PR4ESIDENT BORROWS FROM CHUINA TO FEED THE USELES JEWS
>
> >> > Borrowing from China to give to israel'
> >> >http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/788
>
> >> > Every day another American speaks out against israel. Soon there will
> >> > be no one left to support it.
> >> -->snip<--
>
> >> Scientific polling shows more Americans are sympathetic towards Israel
> >> than
> >> before, while the Arabs of Palestine garner a very much smaller
> >> percentage.
>
> > I believe you, but others are going to want links.
>
> OK.
>
> Palestinian-Israeli Dispute Engenders American Sympathy for Israelis
>
> "Americans are more pro-Israeli in their views today than they were 10 and
> 20 years ago,

What are you bitching about, then, with Jewish brains, Jewish troops,
Jewish oil, you are well protected from Arabs and other muslims! Right?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.history,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Mirelle I'm waiting for you to make good
Date: 10 Mar 2007 22:46:54 -0800
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On Mar 11, 12:08 am, Chip Anderson 
wrote:
> "Binyamin Cramer"  wrote innews:zJadnfiwxOiWHW7YnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:lQKIh.1925$0W5.291@trndny05...
>
> >> On 10-Mar-2007, Chip Anderson  wrote:
>
> >>> "Venceremos"  wrote in
> >>>news:1173549476.659493.42090@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> > THIS EVIL PR4ESIDENT BORROWS FROM CHUINA TO FEED THE USELES JEWS
>
> >>> > Borrowing from China to give to israel'
> >>> >http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/788
>
> >>> > Every day another American speaks out against israel. Soon there
> >>> > will be no one left to support it.
> >>> -->snip<--
>
> >>> Scientific polling shows more Americans are sympathetic towards
> >>> Israel than
> >>> before, while the Arabs of Palestine garner a very much smaller
> >>> percentage.
>
> >> I believe you, but others are going to want links.
>
> > It was a poll taken of 1,700 people only, you fucking fool. Probably
> > on Lon Guyland.
>
> > A meaningful survey it's not. To be stupid enough to draw statistical
> > inference from such a small sample is fraudulent.
>
> Actually, that's how statistical scientific polling works.  So, using your
> criteria, all polls are fraudulent; excepting those consisting of the
> entire target group.
>
If you are poling a town of 50,000 people, about a location for new
city hall then 1,700 would be sufficient. However if you are poling a
whole country of 300 million, you have to have a crossection of
population, different races and states to draw on, not just on an
opinion 1,700 Jews and rednecks!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Northern Viginistan....Hmmmm?
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On Mar 11, 1:31 am, MsMichelle1...@webtv.net (Ms. MICHEL'LE) wrote:
> Northern Viginistan
> Investor's Business
>  Daily
> 2/26/2007
>
> Homeland Security: Authorities in the U.K. now fear that even more
> Muslims...possibly numbering in the thousands...are plotting terror. On
> this end, however, U.S. officials still can't see anything in the
> pipeline.

FUCK YEAH! MUSLIM SECRET WEAPON ISA FALAFEL LACED WITH HOT SOUCE!
>
> Either the British have better intelligence than we do, or we don't have
> any radicalized Muslim communities here in America.

EVER HEARD OF FOUL MADAMES? WELL. THAT IS ANOTHER SECRET SOCIETY, THAT
CONTROLS ALL THE DEADLY GASSES. WATCH OUT CREEPO!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Islamists celebrate bin Laden's 50th birthday was Re: WINSTON CHURCHILL KNEW JEWS!
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On Mar 11, 10:13 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Well Alex how are you going to explain this away.
>
> What I find strange is that most Muslims do not believe in celebrating
> birthdays?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/376y7x
>
> Islamists celebrate bin Laden's 50th birthday
>
> Updated Sat. Mar. 10 2007 6:50 PM ET
>
> CTV.ca News Staff
>
> While some speculate whether he is dead or alive, Islamist terror leader
> Osama bin Laden's 50th birthday is believed to be marked on Saturday.
>
> Supporters of bin Laden flooded websites with messages of praise and
> allegiance to the elusive leader and his al Qaeda network on Saturday.
>
> For example, one Islamist website posted this message: "Today ... Osama
> bin Laden turns 50. God protect our leader, our Sheik Osama bin Laden.
> God reward him for his words and actions."
>
SO? WHAT'S YOUR POINT? DON'T JEWS CELEBRATE MURDERERS LIKE SHARON, BEN
GURION AND DAYAN?




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On Mar 11, 10:13 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> Well Alex how are you going to explain this away.
>
> What I find strange is that most Muslims do not believe in celebrating
> birthdays?

You are really well informed about the muslims and Islam, aren't you?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/376y7x
>
> Islamists celebrate bin Laden's 50th birthday
>
> Updated Sat. Mar. 10 2007 6:50 PM ET
>
> CTV.ca News Staff
>
> While some speculate whether he is dead or alive, Islamist terror leader
> Osama bin Laden's 50th birthday is believed to be marked on Saturday.
>
> Supporters of bin Laden flooded websites with messages of praise and
> allegiance to the elusive leader and his al Qaeda network on Saturday.
>
> For example, one Islamist website posted this message: "Today ... Osama
> bin Laden turns 50. God protect our leader, our Sheik Osama bin Laden.
> God reward him for his words and actions."
>
> --
> Blogging is very time consuming.
>
> Observations of Bernard - No 110




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Final nail in Hitler's coffin
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On Mar 11, 6:40 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  March 12, 2007 - 6:59AM
>
> Germans move to strip Hitler of citizenship
>
> Sixty-two years after his death, Adolf Hitler risks being stripped of his
> German citizenship in what a politician said would be a "symbolic step"
> against the Nazi leader and the horrors he unleashed.
>
> German media reported a deputy in the state legislature of Lower Saxony,
> Isolde Saalmann, had convinced her fellow Social Democrats to file a motion
> to review whether the citizenship extended in 1932 can be rescinded.
>
> Hitler, born in Austria, needed to become German to advance his political
> career in the much larger country.
>
> His wish was granted in the city of Braunschweig on February 25, 1932, less
> than a year before Hitler became German chancellor.
>
> Saalmann, who represents Braunschweig, said she wanted to sever the city's
> notorious connection with the Nazi leader with her motion.
>
> "If the state of Lower Saxony as the legal successor of the then free state
> of Braunschweig distances itself from it, it could be helpful," she told the
> daily Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung.
>
> "We want to clear this up once and for all."
>
> Hitler requested release from his Austrian citizenship in 1925 on the
> grounds that he had been living in Germany since 1912 and served in the
> German army in World War I.
>
> Austria agreed and Hitler was stateless until officially becoming German
> seven years later.
>
> When locals congratulated him on the step, Hitler replied: "It is not me but
> Germany that you should congratulate," the online version of Der Spiegel
> newsweekly said.
>
> Saalmann said that while she felt the gesture of rescinding the citizenship
> carried symbolic importance, she did not aim to whitewash the history of
> Braunschweig, which was a Nazi stronghold in the 1930s.
>
> "This should never serve to play down history along the lines of 'Look, he
> wasn't a German at all'," she said. "That would never be my intention as a
> Social Democrat."
>
> Although Braunschweig deprived Hitler of his honorary citizenship in 1946,
> one year after his death at the end of World War II, Spiegel online said the
> motion to withdraw his citizenship could face a few daunting hurdles.
>
> "Dead is dead," an unnamed official at the Lower Saxony justice ministry was
> quoted as saying. "You can't take anything more away then."
>
> A decision on the motion is not expected for several weeks.
>
> AFP
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/final-nail-in-hitlers-coffin/2007/03...
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

I am sure that the old bastard is twitching in his grave when Jews
decide to take his citizenship away! Do you think that anybody gives
two fucks and a whistle?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: What does a Hudna was Re: ZIONAZIS HATE PEACE
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On Mar 10, 11:50 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 10-Mar-2007, Ian MacLure  wrote:
>
> >            The important thing to understand about a "Hudna" is that it is
> >            never sought from a position of strength and that the non-Muslim
> >            party should expect that it will be broken as soon as the Muslim
> >            side thinks they can get away with it.
>
> Excatly.
> I have characterized it much more simply as "okay, we'll relaod."
>
> Susan
YOU WILL RELOAD SWEET FUCK ALL IF AMERICA DOES NOT PAY FOR IT



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Subject: Re: Islamists celebrate bin Laden's 50th birthday was Re: WINSTON CHURCHILL KNEW JEWS!
Date: 11 Mar 2007 18:18:43 -0700
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 It does not matter if Osama is dead or alive, he is being hunted
because he is a muslim, not because he has comited any crime against
these United States or anything. He is simply a danger to the ruling
puppets of Middle East that is all!

There is no evidence linking Osama with 911, or any other crime.




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:31 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.history,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Facts
Date: 11 Mar 2007 18:35:48 -0700
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  Jews are creating their own demise as usual!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:32 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: MARCH 15 JEWS WARNED TO STAY AT HOME IN HUNGARY
Date: 11 Mar 2007 20:09:30 -0700
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On Mar 11, 10:24 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Mar 11, 9:05 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> > > Jewish occupation of Hungary is almost complete. 75% of all the
> > > government posts, banking positions, and judicial appointments are
> > > occupied by Jews. Hungarian people are at their wits end, to get
> > > their country back. March 15 is the aniversary of the formation of
> > > Austro Hungarian Empire, which once stretche across the Balkan
> > > peninsula and Northern Italy. Many thousands of Hungarians will be
> > > demonstrating to take their country back from Jews. The Hunguarian
> > > equivalent of AIPAC has worned the Jews to stay at home or go to
> > > another country for a week.
> > > The occupation of United States is not yet complete, but Hungarian
> > > example clearly shows what will happen to United States in the near
> > > future
> > > This is what Jewish occupation of Hungary looks like:
>
> 
>
> Look, not a Muslim in sight in the Hungarian Parliament.
> I wonder why not?
>
> The whole thing is organised by neo -Nazis.
> I bet not many people turn up, the anti-racists will far outnumber them.
>
> Most Hungarians  like Jews.

THEY ADORE JEWS! THAT IS WHY AIPAC IS ADVISING JEWS TO GET THE HELL
OUT OF THERE!
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lobotomized Turk's Conviction soon to be Expected! 
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 It is happening to the Jew, not to muslims, arsehole, get that
through your thick, idiot Jew skull



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Yet another Israeli politician found in sexually compromising position
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On Mar 12, 4:38 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Theodore Herzl"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173725860.397666.155430@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > More ugly evidence
>
> Can it thermidor. Everyone has disgusting politicians. What was that recent
> sex scandal here in the U.S. government?

Certainly not naked, drunk, with a bunch of sex toys laying out on the
street! Only a Jew can be one of those.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Islamists celebrate bin Laden's 50th birthday was Re: WINSTON CHURCHILL KNEW JEWS!
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On Mar 12, 5:34 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173643491.564522.137...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > On Mar 11, 10:13 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > Well Alex how are you going to explain this away.
>
> > > What I find strange is that most Muslims do not believe in celebrating
> > > birthdays?
>
> > You are really well informed about the muslims and Islam, aren't you?
>
> You know why it is because I had to study Islam in school and I have a
> few Muslim friends.
>
 WELL YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, ALL MUSLIMS CELEBRATE BIRTHDAYS JUST LIKE
ANYONE ELSE, AND EVEN MORE THAN THE REST



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:36 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: I hardly know what to say
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 Jews dug tunnels to get out of the Warsaw ghetto also. The savages of
Israel are forcing people into extremely drastic measures to get out
of the prison called Gaza!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: MARCH 15 JEWS WARNED TO STAY AT HOME IN HUNGARY
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 AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
THE JEWS ONLY!

 AIPAC opens their annual policy conference in Washington DC on Sunday
(can't be Saturday because a few of their members have other
obligations). Among the speakers at the conference will be Dick Cheney
and Nancy Pelosi and you can guarantee both their hands will be
extended looking for cash. "Yes, we support the genocide Israel is
conducting in the middle east, now pay me!" "Yes, we approve of Israel
not honoring any of the U.N. resolutions passed against them, now pay
me!" "Yes, we will sacrifice America's sons and daughters in the
interest of advancing Israels world views, now pay me!"

How can it be legal for a foreign government to have this much
influence over our domestic politics?

    "Aipac is very influential because they have the grass roots
organisation, when a congressman first comes to Washington he already
knows Aipac, he has met their activists in his district, he knows what
it means to be pro-Israel."

Interesting comment, wouldn't you say?

It's simple, not being pro-Israel and questioning their world view and
you risk being branded an anti-Semite and losing millions in campaign
contributions. Say it with me people "E-X-T-O-R-T-I-O-N!"



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Northern Viginistan....Hmmmm?
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On Mar 12, 8:27 pm, "Ed"
 wrote:
> Very informative.
>
> Has anyone forwarded this to Homeland Security>
>
 FUCK YEAH!  THEY CAN SMEL FOUL MADAMES FART FOR MILES



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: MARCH 15 JEWS WARNED TO STAY AT HOME IN HUNGARY
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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Yet another Israeli politician found in sexually compromising position
Date: 12 Mar 2007 21:29:07 -0700
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On Mar 12, 7:00 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Certainly not naked, drunk, with a bunch of sex toys laying out on the
> > street!
>
> LIAR.
> He was in the Israeli compound.
>
> >Only a Jew can be one of those.
>
> Jealous Alex?
>
> Ooh I'm sure you would love to be under the thumb of a dominatrix!!!

How much for a blow job do you charge Tilly?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Yet another Israeli politician found in sexually compromising position
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On Mar 12, 8:40 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> DoD wrote:
> > We are talking about sex scandals of public figures thermidor. Don't
> > you remember the pedophile scandal in the congress a while back? Of
> > course you don't, you have your head so far up your ass looking for
> > antisemitic propaganda, you don't even know what is happening in the
> > U.S.
>
> Has he forgotten the homosexual romps two high profile evangelicals closely
> associated with Bush have had in recent months?
>
 Oh well, it is OK for Jews to go and fuck each other in Guatemala



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: I hardly know what to say
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On Mar 12, 8:42 pm, "Ariadne"  wrote:
> On 12 Mar, 23:13, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> >  Jews dug tunnels to get out of the Warsaw ghetto also.
>
> And who will believe that that in any way resembles terrorists
> of your "faith" digging tunnels in order to get IN in order to
> slaughter the innocent.

INNOCENTS MY ARSE, ALL YOU SCUM ARE THIEVES AND MURDERERS
>
> The world can see what a disaster the Arab squatters have

JEWS ARE THE SQUATERS, ARABS ARE THE REAL OWNERS OF THE LAND !



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 12, 9:13 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:13 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> >  Jews dug tunnels to get out of the Warsaw ghetto also. The savages of
> > Israel are forcing people into extremely drastic measures to get out
> > of the prison called Gaza!
>
>    They can go to Egypt; that is their homeland.
>
>  Michael
AND YOU CAN GO TO POLAND OR RUSSIA THAT IS YOUR HOMELAND!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Someone has to pay for the road was Re: YOU WILL SOON BE PAYING THE JEWISH BANKERS FOR THE PRIVILEDGE OF DRIVING ON THE HIGHWAY THAT YO OWN
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On Mar 12, 5:44 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173666259.047681.236...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > "the road is one succession of dust, ruts, pits, and holes." So wrote
> > Dwight D. Eisenhower, then a young lieutenant colonel, in November
> > 1919, after heading out on a cross-country trip with a convoy of Army
> > vehicles in order to test the viability of the nation's highways in
> > case of a military emergency. To this description of one major road
> > across the west, Eisenhower added reports of impassable mud, unstable
> > sand, and wooden bridges that cracked beneath the weight of the
> > trucks. In Illinois, the convoy "started on dirt roads, and
> > practically no more pavement was encountered until reaching
> > California."
>
> > It took 62 days for the trucks to make the trip from Washington, D.C.,
> > to San Francisco, and another 37 years for Ike to complete a quest,
> > inspired by this youthful journey and by his World War II observations
> > of Germany's autobahns, to build a national road system for the United
> > States. In 1956, President Eisenhower signed the Federal-Aid Highway
> > Act, which called for the federal and state governments to build
> > 41,000 miles of high-quality roads across the nation, over rivers and
> > gorges, swamps and deserts, over and through vast mountain ranges, in
> > what would later be called the "greatest public works project in human
> > history." So vital to the public interest did Eisenhower, an old-style
> > fiscal conservative, consider the interstate highway system, he even
> > authorized the federal government to assume 90 percent of the massive
> > cost.
>
> > Fifty years to the day after Ike put his pen to the Highway Act,
> > another Republican signed off on another historic highway project. On
> > June 29, 2006, Mitch Daniels, the former Bush administration official
> > turned governor of Indiana, was greeted with a round of applause as he
> > stepped into a conference room packed with reporters and state
> > lawmakers. The last of eight wire transfers had landed in the state's
> > account, making it official: Indiana had received $3.8 billion from a
> > foreign consortium made up of the Spanish construction firm Cintra and
> > the Macquarie Infrastructure Group (mig) of Australia, and in exchange
> > the state would hand over operation of the 157-mile Indiana Toll Road
> > for the next 75 years. The arrangement would yield hundreds of
> > millions of dollars in tax breaks for the consortium, which also
> > received immunity from most local and state taxes in its contract with
> > Indiana. And, of course, the consortium would collect all the tolls,
> > which it was allowed to raise to levels far beyond what Hoosiers had
> > been used to. By one calculation, the Toll Road would generate more
> > than $11 billion over the 75-year life of the contract, a nice return
> > on mig-Cintra's $3.8 billion investment.
>
> > The deal to privatize the Toll Road had been almost a year in the
> > making. Proponents celebrated it as a no-pain, all-gain way to off-
> > load maintenance expenses and mobilize new highway-building funds
> > without raising taxes. Opponents lambasted it as a major turn toward
> > handing the nation's common property over to private firms, and at
> > fire-sale prices to boot.
>
> > The one thing everyone agreed on was that the Indiana deal was just a
> > prelude to a host of such efforts to come. Across the nation, there is
> > now talk of privatizing everything from the New York Thruway to the
> > Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey turnpikes, as well as of inviting
> > the private sector to build and operate highways and bridges from
> > Alabama to Alaska. More than 20 states have enacted legislation
> > allowing public-private partnerships, or P3s, to run highways. Robert
> > Poole, the founder of the libertarian Reason Foundation and a longtime
> > privatization advocate, estimates that some $25 billion in public-
> > private highway deals are in the works-a remarkable figure given that
> > as of 1991, the total cost of the interstate highway system was
> > estimated at $128.9 billion.
>
> > On the same day the Indiana Toll Road deal closed, another Australian
> > toll road operator, Transurban, paid more than half a billion dollars
> > for a 99-year lease on Virginia's Pocahontas Parkway, and the Texas
> > Transportation Commission green-lighted a $1.3 billion bid by Cintra
> > and construction behemoth Zachry Construction to build and operate a
> > 40-mile toll road out of Austin. Many similar deals are now on the
> > horizon, and mig and Cintra are often part of them. So is Goldman
> > Sachs, the huge Wall Street firm that has played a remarkable role
> > advising states on how to structure privatization deals-even while
> > positioning itself to invest in the toll road market.
>
> > Goldman Sachs' role has not been lost on skeptics, who accuse the firm
> > of playing both sides of the fence. "In essence, they're double-
> > dipping," says Todd Spencer, executive vice president of the Owner-
> > Operator Independent Drivers Association, a truckers' group that
> > opposes toll road privatization. "They're basically in the middle,
> > playing one side against the other, and it's really, really
> > lucrative."
>
> > Despite such concerns, the privatization model has the full backing of
> > the Bush administration. Tyler Duvall, the U.S. Department of
> > Transportation's assistant secretary for transportation policy, says
> > dot has raised the idea with "almost every state" government and is
> > working on sample legislation that states can use for such projects.
> > "This is a ground battle in the United States right now," he says.
> > "States just need to be convinced that this is basically something
> > they should be considering."
>
> > The financial stakes are potentially huge. "You're buying the
> > infrastructure of the economy, and it's enormously valuable," says
> > John Schmidt, who served as associate attorney general in the Clinton
> > administration and as counsel to the city of Chicago on the $1.8
> > billion privatization of the Chicago Skyway, the 7.8-mile freeway that
> > connects the Dan Ryan Expressway in the west to the Indiana Toll Road
> > in the east. "[Private road operators] haven't been able to get in
> > here previously. There's been a demand, and it's been bottled up
> > because we just haven't had privatized infrastructure in this country,
> > so they've been buying toll roads in Chile and in France. Now, they
> > suddenly have the opportunity to come into this country."
>
> Alex someone has to pay for the road and it is either the users with a
> toll or the taxpayer.
>
 IDIOT, THE ROAD HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER, SOLD TO
JEWISH BANKERS BY THE CORRUPT BUSH MAFIA



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: MARCH 15 JEWS WARNED TO STAY AT HOME IN HUNGARY
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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!



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Subject: HIDING THE 2.5 TRILLION IN REAL COSTS OF WAR
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Iraq: the hidden cost of the war

Andrew Stephen

Published 12 March 2007
http://www.newstatesman.com/200703120024

America won't simply be paying with its dead. The Pentagon is trying
to silence economists who predict that several decades of care for the
wounded will amount to an unbelievable $2.5 trillion.

They roar in every day, usually direct from the Landstuhl US air-force
base in the Rhineland: giant C-17 cargo planes capable of lifting and
flying the 65-tonne M1 Abrams tank to battlefields anywhere in the
world. But Landstuhl is the first staging post for transporting most
of the American wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the United
States, and these planes act as CCATs ("critical care air transport")
with their AETs - "aeromedical evacuation teams" of doctors, nurses
and medical technicians, whose task is to make sure that gravely
wounded US troops arrive alive and fit enough for intensive treatment
at the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre, just six miles up the road
>from me in Washington.

These days it is de rigueur for all politicians, ranging from
President Bush and Ibrahim al-Jaafari (Iraq's "prime minister") to
junior congressmen, to visit the 113-acre Walter Reed complex to pay
tribute to the valour of horribly wounded soldiers. Last Christmas,
the centre was so overwhelmed by the 500,000 cards and presents it
received for wounded soldiers that it announced it could accept no
more.

Yet the story of the US wounded reveals yet another deception by the
Bush administration, masking monumental miscalculations that will
haunt generations to come. Thanks to the work of a Harvard professor
and former Clinton administration economist named Linda Bilmes, and
some other hard-working academics, we have discovered that the
administration has been putting out two entirely separate and
conflicting sets of numbers of those wounded in the wars.

This might sound like chicanery by George W Bush and his cronies - or
characteristic incompetence - but Bilmes and Professor Joseph
Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate economist from Columbia University, have
established not only that the number wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan
is far higher than the Pentagon has been saying, but that looking
after them alone could cost present and future US taxpayers a sum they
estimate to be $536bn, but which could get considerably bigger still.
Just one soldier out of the 1.4 million troops so far deployed who has
returned with a debilitating brain injury, for example, may need round-
the-clock care for five, six, or even seven decades. In present-day
money, according to one study, care for that soldier alone will cost a
minimum of $4.3m.

However, let us first backtrack to 2002-2003 to try to establish why
the administration's sums were so wildly off-target. Documents just
obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show how completely lost
the Bush administration was in Neverland when it came to Iraq:
Centcom, the main top-secret military planning unit at Donald
Rumsfeld's Pentagon, predicted in its war plan that only 5,000 US
troops would be required in Iraq by the end of 2006.

Rummy's deputy Paul Wolfowitz was such a whizz at the economics of it
all that he confidently told us that Iraq would "really finance its
own reconstruction". Rumsfeld himself reported that the administration
had come up with "a number that's something under $50bn" as the cost
of the war. Larry Lindsey, then assistant to the president on economic
policy at the White House, warned that it might actually soar to as
much as $200bn - with the result that Bush did as he habitually does
with those who do not produce convenient facts and figures to back up
his fantasies: he sacked him.

>From official statistics supplied by the non-partisan Congressional
Budget Office, we now know that the Iraq war is costing roughly $200m
a day, or $6bn every month; the total bill so far is $400bn. But, in
their studies, Bilmes and Stiglitz consider three scenarios that were
not even conceivable to Bush, Rummy, Wolfowitz et al back in 2003. In
the first, incurring the lowest future costs, troops will start to be
withdrawn this year and be out by 2010. The second assumes that there
will be a gradual withdrawal that will be complete by 2015. The third
envisages the participation of two million servicemen and women, with
the war going on past 2016.

Estimating long-term costs using even the second, moderate scenario,
Bilmes tells me: "I think we are now approaching a figure of $2.5
trillion." This, she says, "includes three kinds of costs. It includes
the cash costs of running the combat operations, the long-term costs
of replenishing military equipment and taking care of the veterans,
and increased costs at the Pentagon. And then it includes the economic
cost, which is the differential between reservists' pay in their
civilian jobs and what they're paid in the military - and the
macroecono mic costs, such as the percentage of the oil-price
increase."

Let me pause to explain those deceptive figures. Look at the latest
official toll of US fatalities and wounded in the media, and you will
see something like 3,160 dead and 23,785 wounded (that "includes
13,250 personnel who returned to duty within 72 hours", the Washington
Post told us helpfully on 4 March). From this, you might assume that
only 11,000 or so troops, in effect, have been wounded in Iraq. But
Bilmes discovered that the Bush administration was keeping two
separate sets of statistics of those wounded: one (like the above)
issued by the Pentagon and therefore used by the media, and the other
by the Department of Veterans Affairs - a government department
autonomous from the Pentagon. At the beginning of this year, the
Pentagon was putting out a figure of roughly 23,000 wounded, but the
VA was quietly saying that more than 50,000 had, in fact, been
wounded.

Casualty conspiracy

To draw attention to her academic findings, Bilmes wrote a piece for
the Los Angeles Times of 5 January 2007 in which she quoted the figure
of "more than 50,000 wounded Iraq war soldiers". The reaction from the
Pentagon was fury. An assistant secretary there named Dr William
Winkenwerder phoned her personally to complain. Bilmes recalls: "He
said, 'Where did you get those numbers from?'" She explained to
Winkenwerder that the 50,000 figure came from the VA, and faxed him
copies of official US government documents that proved her point.
Winkenwerder backed down.

Matters did not rest there. Despite its independence from the
Pentagon, the VA is run by Robert James Nicholson, a former Republican
Party chairman and Bush's loyal political appointee. Following
Bilmes's exchange with Winkenwerder - on 10 January, to be precise -
the number of wounded listed on the VA website dropped from 50,508 to
21,649. The Bush administration had, once again, turned reality on its
head to concur with its claims. "The whole thing is scary," Bilmes
says. "I have never been conspiracy-minded, but watching them change
the numbers on the website - it's extraordinary."

What Bilmes had discovered was that the tally of US fatalities in Iraq
and Afghanistan included the outcome of "non-hostile actions", most
commonly vehicle accidents. But the Pentagon's statistics of the
wounded did not. Even troops incapacitated for life in Iraq or
Afghanistan - but not in "hostile situations" - were not being
counted, although they will require exactly the same kind of medical
care back home as soldiers similarly wounded in battle. Bilmes and
Stiglitz had set out, meantime, to explore the ratio of wounded to
deaths in previous American wars. They found that in the First World
War, on average 1.8 were wounded for every fatality; in the Second
World War, 1.6; in Korea, 2.8; in Vietnam, 2.6; and, in the first Gulf
war in 1991, 1.2. In this war, 21st-century medical care and better
armour have inflated the numbers of the wounded-but-living, leading
Bilmes to an astounding conclusion: for every soldier dying in Iraq or
Afghanistan today, 16 are being wounded. The Pentagon insists the
figure is nearer nine - but, either way, the economic implications for
the future are phenomenal.

So far, more than 200,000 veterans from the current Iraq or
Afghanistan wars have been treated at VA centres. Twenty per cent of
those brought home are suffering from serious brain or spinal
injuries, or the severing of more than one limb, and a further 20 per
cent from amputations, blindness or deafness, severe burns, or other
dire conditions. "Every person injured on active duty is going to be a
long-term cost of the war," says Bilmes. If we compare the financial
ramifications of the first Gulf war to the present one, the
implications become even more stark. Despite its brevity, even the
1991 Gulf war exacted a heavy toll: 48.4 per cent of veterans sought
medical care, and 44 per cent filed disability claims. Eighty-eight
per cent of these claims were granted, meaning that 611,729 veterans
>from the first Gulf war are now receiving disability benefits; a large
proportion are suffering from psychiatric illnesses, including post-
traumatic stress disorder and depression.

More than a third of those returning from the current wars, too, have
already been diagnosed as suffering from similar conditions. But
although the VA has 207 walk-in "vet centres" and other clinics and
offices throughout the US, it is a bureaucracy under siege. It has a
well-deserved reputation for providing excellent healthcare for
America's 24 million veterans, but is quite unable to cope with a
workload that the Bush administration did not foresee.

The unknown unknowns

There is now a backlog of 400,000 claims from veterans and waiting
lists of months, some of which "render . . . care virtually
inaccessible", in the words of Frances Murphy, the VA's own deputy
under-secretary for health. Claims are expected to hit 874,000 this
year, 930,000 in 2008. Casualties returning from Iraq meanwhile
outnumber other patients at Walter Reed 17 to one, and many have to be
put up at nearby hotels and motels rather than in the hospital beds
they desperately need. Suicide attempts are frequent; often the less
wounded end up having to care for the more seriously wounded.

Since I researched this piece, the Washington Post has published a
series of articles outlining the chaos at Walter Reed and elsewhere.
Undercover reporters found soldiers suffering from schizophrenia, post-
traumatic stress and other brain injuries, occupying rooms infested
with mice and cockroaches. The ensuing furore resulted in the sacking
of the general in charge. Even Bush says he is "deeply troubled" by
these "unacceptable" conditions at Walter Reed, but his government has
carefully avoided the issue of how much it will cost to put right
these wrongs. The failure to look after returning, often traumatised
troops leads to yet further hidden costs to the US economy: the
consequences of unemployment, family violence, crime, alcoholism and
drug abuse, for example.

The projected $2.5trn price tag also includes the costs of replacing
and replenishing military equipment in use. Nearly 40 per cent of the
army's equipment, according to the Washington Post, is currently
deployed in Iraq; as long ago as March 2005, Rumsfeld conceded that
tanks, fighting vehicles and helicopters were wearing out at six times
the normal rate.

Significant quantities of equipment are being destroyed, too. The
Washington Post reported last December that the army alone has lost
more than 280,000 major pieces of equipment in the combat zones; the
Army Times reported as long ago as February last year that 20 M1 Abram
tanks, 50 Bradley fighting vehicles, 20 Stryker wheeled combat
vehicles, 20 M113 armoured personnel carriers, 250 Hum vees, hundreds
of mine-clearing vehicles and the like - plus more than a hundred
aircraft, most of them helicopters - have been lost. Those figures
have increased considerably since then as fighting has intensified.
Add something between $125bn and $300bn for these unanticipated long-
term costs, say Bilmes and Stiglitz.

Yet another gargantuan White House miscalculation was over the price
of oil. Before his departure, Larry Lindsey told the Wall Street
Journal in September 2002 that "the successful prosecution of the war
would be good for the economy"; the WSJ echoed his thoughts in an
editorial the same day, arguing that "the best way to keep oil prices
in check is a short, successful war on Iraq". In 2002, the average
cost of a barrel of oil was $23.71; today, it is hovering around $50.
Dick Cheney's chums in firms such as his own Halliburton - or
ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron - have profited enormously, but
Bilmes estimates that even if only $5 of the oil-price increase can be
attributed to the Iraq war, that alone adds $150bn to the cost of war.

There are also countless imponderables that add to the bill. The
deployment of hundreds of thousands of reservists depletes the
economy. At present, 44 per cent of US police forces, for example,
have members deployed as reservists in Iraq, and their duties have to
be performed by others in America; the same goes for firefighters,
medical staff, prison wardens.

Then there are the future illnesses that may well unfold. For
instance, nobody knew that the notorious Agent Orange defoliant, used
by the US in Vietnam from 1961-71, would turn out to have had
carcinogenic and other effects on US troops. Today, there is mounting
evidence that exposure to depleted uranium - used for firing anti-tank
rounds from US M1 tanks and A-10 attack aircraft - can cause cancer,
diabetes and birth defects. Many veterans are returning to the US with
their health apparently in ruins from adverse reactions to anti-
anthrax injections and/or consumption of experimental pills to counter
chemical warfare agents. The long-term costs of looking after the
likes of them make the cost of the actual war dead pale by comparison:
spouses of deceased soldiers receive a "death gratuity" of $100,000.
Troops are also given the opportunity to take out subsidised life
insurance policies for up to $500,000 for dependants. In the
dispassionate way economists assess such things, Bilmes and Stiglitz
estimate the additional cost to the economy of the death of a young
soldier - typically 25 years old - to be $6.5m.

Bilmes has become a marked woman to the Bush administration. She was
invited to participate in a VA seminar on the cost of war, to be held
on the last day of this month - but then was suddenly uninvited. She
is no raving lefty, though, and her economic credentials are
unimpeachable: she was responsible for an annual budget of $9bn in the
Clinton-era commerce department. Like none other than George W Bush,
she, too, holds an MBA from Harvard.

It is sobering to think how the money going down the drain in Iraq
could otherwise have been spent. "For this amount of money, we could
have provided health insurance for the uninsured of this country,"
Bilmes tells me. "We could have made social security solvent for the
next three generations, and implemented all the 9/11 Commission's
recommendations to tighten domestic security."

That kind of list goes on: the annual cost of treating all heart
disease and diabetes in the United States would amount to a quarter of
what the Iraq war is costing. Pre-school for every child in America
would take just $35bn a year. In their main paper, Bilmes and Stiglitz
come up with an even more intriguing possibility: "We could have had a
Marshall Plan for the Middle East, or the developing countries, that
might have succeeded in winning hearts and minds."

What a historic triumph that would have been for Bush. Instead, his
legacy to generations of Americans will be a needless debt of at least
$2.5trn, what his own defence secretary describes as a four-way civil
war in Iraq, dangerous instability in the Middle East, and
increasingly entrenched hatred of the United States throughout the
world. Alas, we are likely to hear the daily roar of those C-17s as
they approach Andrews Air Force Base for years to come.

The unknown price that Britain is paying

No one is counting the long-term costs of caring for injured British
troops, reports Sam Alexandroni

The cost to Britain of the Iraq war, according to the Ministry of
Defence, will hit =A35bn at the end of this financial year. This is the
figure given for direct spending on fuel, ammunition, repairs and
transport; the real bill is certainly much bigger. The greatest of the
uncounted costs is the financial and human toll the war is taking on
the mental and physical health of British personnel serving in Iraq.

The government has not attempted to calculate the long-term cost of
caring for the injured, and official statistics offer little guidance.
Four thousand eight hundred personnel have been evacuated from Iraq on
medical grounds but only 144 were classified as "seriously" or "very
seriously" injured. What about the rest? Nobody in the MoD or NHS was
able to say how many personnel who served in Iraq are being treated in
Britain, or how many will require long-term medical care. The
treatment costs of servicemen at NHS hospitals such as Selly Oak in
Birmingham - home to the Royal Centre of Defence Medicine - are passed
on to the MoD, which in turn bills the Treasury Reserve, but once a
patient leaves the armed forces, ongoing treatment is paid for by the
NHS.

Mental health offers similar uncertainties. So far, 2,123 troops who
served in Iraq have been diagnosed with mental health problems, 328
with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD); but cases take 12 years on
average to surface and there is no sure cure. "We won't know for many
years after the Iraq war is over how many former servicemen are
suffering from psychological problems," says Toby Elliot, chief
executive of the charity Combat Stress. "The MoD doesn't provide all
the funds we need by a long way. We have to make up 40 per cent of our
funding ourselves, and that's a problem."

Nor has anyone tried to quantify the indirect economic effects. The
surge in the price of Brent crude oil from $31 a barrel at the start
of 2003 to $60 today has been driven largely by increased demand, but
Middle East instability affects the market and "Iraq has been factored
in for years", according to the oil analyst Jean-Luc Amos. The extent
to which the Iraq war has exacerbated the domestic threat of terror
and made Britain less safe remains similarly ungauged. Then there are
other costs barely considered. In 2002 a study commissioned by Ken
Livingstone, the city's mayor, estimated that war in Iraq would cost
the London economy =A31bn in lost tourism alone, though there has been
no post-invasion follow-up.

That no one in the British government has even attempted these
calculations is worrying, but perhaps any cost-benefit analysis of the
war misses the point. "In the end, if the Iraq war had brought the
Iraqis a better life and us greater security, then - whatever the
costs - it would seem 'worth it'," says Sir Lawrence Freedman,
professor of war studies at King's College London. "Because it has
been such a screw-up, then, even at a lower level of calculated costs,
it seems like a waste."

Iraq War: Key Dates
Research by Sarah O'Connor

20 March 2003 US and Britain invade
1 May 2003 Bush announces "mission accomplished"
13 December 2003 Saddam Hussein is captured
28 April 2004 Images of US troops abusing prisoners emerge from Abu
Ghraib
November 2004 US assault on Fallujah insurgents
30 January 2005 Eight million Iraqis vote in elections
July 2006 Deadliest month in Iraq: 3,438 civilians are killed
30 December 2006 Saddam Hussein is executed
10 January 2007 Bush announces 21,500 troop surge to Iraq
21 February 2007 Blair announces the withdrawal of 1,600 British
troops

Iraq 2007 by numbers
Research by Rebecca Bundhun

657,805 minimum number of Iraqi civilians reported killed since the
2003 invasion, according to the Iraq Body Count website
33% of Americans in a March 2007 poll approved of George Bush's Iraq
policy
80 US soldiers killed in Iraq last month
7,100 number of UK troops currently in Iraq
135,000 number of US troops currently in Iraq
134 number of British soldiers killed in Iraq
21,500 additional troops Bush plans to deploy in the "troop surge"
28 percentage of Americans in the March poll who said the US will
probably or definitely win the war



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 Iraq: the hidden cost of the war

Andrew Stephen

Published 12 March 2007
http://www.newstatesman.com/200703120024

America won't simply be paying with its dead. The Pentagon is trying
to silence economists who predict that several decades of care for the
wounded will amount to an unbelievable $2.5 trillion.

They roar in every day, usually direct from the Landstuhl US air-force
base in the Rhineland: giant C-17 cargo planes capable of lifting and
flying the 65-tonne M1 Abrams tank to battlefields anywhere in the
world. But Landstuhl is the first staging post for transporting most
of the American wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the United
States, and these planes act as CCATs ("critical care air transport")
with their AETs - "aeromedical evacuation teams" of doctors, nurses
and medical technicians, whose task is to make sure that gravely
wounded US troops arrive alive and fit enough for intensive treatment
at the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre, just six miles up the road
>from me in Washington.

These days it is de rigueur for all politicians, ranging from
President Bush and Ibrahim al-Jaafari (Iraq's "prime minister") to
junior congressmen, to visit the 113-acre Walter Reed complex to pay
tribute to the valour of horribly wounded soldiers. Last Christmas,
the centre was so overwhelmed by the 500,000 cards and presents it
received for wounded soldiers that it announced it could accept no
more.

Yet the story of the US wounded reveals yet another deception by the
Bush administration, masking monumental miscalculations that will
haunt generations to come. Thanks to the work of a Harvard professor
and former Clinton administration economist named Linda Bilmes, and
some other hard-working academics, we have discovered that the
administration has been putting out two entirely separate and
conflicting sets of numbers of those wounded in the wars.

This might sound like chicanery by George W Bush and his cronies - or
characteristic incompetence - but Bilmes and Professor Joseph
Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate economist from Columbia University, have
established not only that the number wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan
is far higher than the Pentagon has been saying, but that looking
after them alone could cost present and future US taxpayers a sum they
estimate to be $536bn, but which could get considerably bigger still.
Just one soldier out of the 1.4 million troops so far deployed who has
returned with a debilitating brain injury, for example, may need round-
the-clock care for five, six, or even seven decades. In present-day
money, according to one study, care for that soldier alone will cost a
minimum of $4.3m.

However, let us first backtrack to 2002-2003 to try to establish why
the administration's sums were so wildly off-target. Documents just
obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show how completely lost
the Bush administration was in Neverland when it came to Iraq:
Centcom, the main top-secret military planning unit at Donald
Rumsfeld's Pentagon, predicted in its war plan that only 5,000 US
troops would be required in Iraq by the end of 2006.

Rummy's deputy Paul Wolfowitz was such a whizz at the economics of it
all that he confidently told us that Iraq would "really finance its
own reconstruction". Rumsfeld himself reported that the administration
had come up with "a number that's something under $50bn" as the cost
of the war. Larry Lindsey, then assistant to the president on economic
policy at the White House, warned that it might actually soar to as
much as $200bn - with the result that Bush did as he habitually does
with those who do not produce convenient facts and figures to back up
his fantasies: he sacked him.

>From official statistics supplied by the non-partisan Congressional
Budget Office, we now know that the Iraq war is costing roughly $200m
a day, or $6bn every month; the total bill so far is $400bn. But, in
their studies, Bilmes and Stiglitz consider three scenarios that were
not even conceivable to Bush, Rummy, Wolfowitz et al back in 2003. In
the first, incurring the lowest future costs, troops will start to be
withdrawn this year and be out by 2010. The second assumes that there
will be a gradual withdrawal that will be complete by 2015. The third
envisages the participation of two million servicemen and women, with
the war going on past 2016.

Estimating long-term costs using even the second, moderate scenario,
Bilmes tells me: "I think we are now approaching a figure of $2.5
trillion." This, she says, "includes three kinds of costs. It includes
the cash costs of running the combat operations, the long-term costs
of replenishing military equipment and taking care of the veterans,
and increased costs at the Pentagon. And then it includes the economic
cost, which is the differential between reservists' pay in their
civilian jobs and what they're paid in the military - and the
macroecono mic costs, such as the percentage of the oil-price
increase."

Let me pause to explain those deceptive figures. Look at the latest
official toll of US fatalities and wounded in the media, and you will
see something like 3,160 dead and 23,785 wounded (that "includes
13,250 personnel who returned to duty within 72 hours", the Washington
Post told us helpfully on 4 March). From this, you might assume that
only 11,000 or so troops, in effect, have been wounded in Iraq. But
Bilmes discovered that the Bush administration was keeping two
separate sets of statistics of those wounded: one (like the above)
issued by the Pentagon and therefore used by the media, and the other
by the Department of Veterans Affairs - a government department
autonomous from the Pentagon. At the beginning of this year, the
Pentagon was putting out a figure of roughly 23,000 wounded, but the
VA was quietly saying that more than 50,000 had, in fact, been
wounded.

Casualty conspiracy

To draw attention to her academic findings, Bilmes wrote a piece for
the Los Angeles Times of 5 January 2007 in which she quoted the figure
of "more than 50,000 wounded Iraq war soldiers". The reaction from the
Pentagon was fury. An assistant secretary there named Dr William
Winkenwerder phoned her personally to complain. Bilmes recalls: "He
said, 'Where did you get those numbers from?'" She explained to
Winkenwerder that the 50,000 figure came from the VA, and faxed him
copies of official US government documents that proved her point.
Winkenwerder backed down.

Matters did not rest there. Despite its independence from the
Pentagon, the VA is run by Robert James Nicholson, a former Republican
Party chairman and Bush's loyal political appointee. Following
Bilmes's exchange with Winkenwerder - on 10 January, to be precise -
the number of wounded listed on the VA website dropped from 50,508 to
21,649. The Bush administration had, once again, turned reality on its
head to concur with its claims. "The whole thing is scary," Bilmes
says. "I have never been conspiracy-minded, but watching them change
the numbers on the website - it's extraordinary."

What Bilmes had discovered was that the tally of US fatalities in Iraq
and Afghanistan included the outcome of "non-hostile actions", most
commonly vehicle accidents. But the Pentagon's statistics of the
wounded did not. Even troops incapacitated for life in Iraq or
Afghanistan - but not in "hostile situations" - were not being
counted, although they will require exactly the same kind of medical
care back home as soldiers similarly wounded in battle. Bilmes and
Stiglitz had set out, meantime, to explore the ratio of wounded to
deaths in previous American wars. They found that in the First World
War, on average 1.8 were wounded for every fatality; in the Second
World War, 1.6; in Korea, 2.8; in Vietnam, 2.6; and, in the first Gulf
war in 1991, 1.2. In this war, 21st-century medical care and better
armour have inflated the numbers of the wounded-but-living, leading
Bilmes to an astounding conclusion: for every soldier dying in Iraq or
Afghanistan today, 16 are being wounded. The Pentagon insists the
figure is nearer nine - but, either way, the economic implications for
the future are phenomenal.

So far, more than 200,000 veterans from the current Iraq or
Afghanistan wars have been treated at VA centres. Twenty per cent of
those brought home are suffering from serious brain or spinal
injuries, or the severing of more than one limb, and a further 20 per
cent from amputations, blindness or deafness, severe burns, or other
dire conditions. "Every person injured on active duty is going to be a
long-term cost of the war," says Bilmes. If we compare the financial
ramifications of the first Gulf war to the present one, the
implications become even more stark. Despite its brevity, even the
1991 Gulf war exacted a heavy toll: 48.4 per cent of veterans sought
medical care, and 44 per cent filed disability claims. Eighty-eight
per cent of these claims were granted, meaning that 611,729 veterans
>from the first Gulf war are now receiving disability benefits; a large
proportion are suffering from psychiatric illnesses, including post-
traumatic stress disorder and depression.

More than a third of those returning from the current wars, too, have
already been diagnosed as suffering from similar conditions. But
although the VA has 207 walk-in "vet centres" and other clinics and
offices throughout the US, it is a bureaucracy under siege. It has a
well-deserved reputation for providing excellent healthcare for
America's 24 million veterans, but is quite unable to cope with a
workload that the Bush administration did not foresee.

The unknown unknowns

There is now a backlog of 400,000 claims from veterans and waiting
lists of months, some of which "render . . . care virtually
inaccessible", in the words of Frances Murphy, the VA's own deputy
under-secretary for health. Claims are expected to hit 874,000 this
year, 930,000 in 2008. Casualties returning from Iraq meanwhile
outnumber other patients at Walter Reed 17 to one, and many have to be
put up at nearby hotels and motels rather than in the hospital beds
they desperately need. Suicide attempts are frequent; often the less
wounded end up having to care for the more seriously wounded.

Since I researched this piece, the Washington Post has published a
series of articles outlining the chaos at Walter Reed and elsewhere.
Undercover reporters found soldiers suffering from schizophrenia, post-
traumatic stress and other brain injuries, occupying rooms infested
with mice and cockroaches. The ensuing furore resulted in the sacking
of the general in charge. Even Bush says he is "deeply troubled" by
these "unacceptable" conditions at Walter Reed, but his government has
carefully avoided the issue of how much it will cost to put right
these wrongs. The failure to look after returning, often traumatised
troops leads to yet further hidden costs to the US economy: the
consequences of unemployment, family violence, crime, alcoholism and
drug abuse, for example.

The projected $2.5trn price tag also includes the costs of replacing
and replenishing military equipment in use. Nearly 40 per cent of the
army's equipment, according to the Washington Post, is currently
deployed in Iraq; as long ago as March 2005, Rumsfeld conceded that
tanks, fighting vehicles and helicopters were wearing out at six times
the normal rate.

Significant quantities of equipment are being destroyed, too. The
Washington Post reported last December that the army alone has lost
more than 280,000 major pieces of equipment in the combat zones; the
Army Times reported as long ago as February last year that 20 M1 Abram
tanks, 50 Bradley fighting vehicles, 20 Stryker wheeled combat
vehicles, 20 M113 armoured personnel carriers, 250 Hum vees, hundreds
of mine-clearing vehicles and the like - plus more than a hundred
aircraft, most of them helicopters - have been lost. Those figures
have increased considerably since then as fighting has intensified.
Add something between $125bn and $300bn for these unanticipated long-
term costs, say Bilmes and Stiglitz.

Yet another gargantuan White House miscalculation was over the price
of oil. Before his departure, Larry Lindsey told the Wall Street
Journal in September 2002 that "the successful prosecution of the war
would be good for the economy"; the WSJ echoed his thoughts in an
editorial the same day, arguing that "the best way to keep oil prices
in check is a short, successful war on Iraq". In 2002, the average
cost of a barrel of oil was $23.71; today, it is hovering around $50.
Dick Cheney's chums in firms such as his own Halliburton - or
ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron - have profited enormously, but
Bilmes estimates that even if only $5 of the oil-price increase can be
attributed to the Iraq war, that alone adds $150bn to the cost of war.

There are also countless imponderables that add to the bill. The
deployment of hundreds of thousands of reservists depletes the
economy. At present, 44 per cent of US police forces, for example,
have members deployed as reservists in Iraq, and their duties have to
be performed by others in America; the same goes for firefighters,
medical staff, prison wardens.

Then there are the future illnesses that may well unfold. For
instance, nobody knew that the notorious Agent Orange defoliant, used
by the US in Vietnam from 1961-71, would turn out to have had
carcinogenic and other effects on US troops. Today, there is mounting
evidence that exposure to depleted uranium - used for firing anti-tank
rounds from US M1 tanks and A-10 attack aircraft - can cause cancer,
diabetes and birth defects. Many veterans are returning to the US with
their health apparently in ruins from adverse reactions to anti-
anthrax injections and/or consumption of experimental pills to counter
chemical warfare agents. The long-term costs of looking after the
likes of them make the cost of the actual war dead pale by comparison:
spouses of deceased soldiers receive a "death gratuity" of $100,000.
Troops are also given the opportunity to take out subsidised life
insurance policies for up to $500,000 for dependants. In the
dispassionate way economists assess such things, Bilmes and Stiglitz
estimate the additional cost to the economy of the death of a young
soldier - typically 25 years old - to be $6.5m.

Bilmes has become a marked woman to the Bush administration. She was
invited to participate in a VA seminar on the cost of war, to be held
on the last day of this month - but then was suddenly uninvited. She
is no raving lefty, though, and her economic credentials are
unimpeachable: she was responsible for an annual budget of $9bn in the
Clinton-era commerce department. Like none other than George W Bush,
she, too, holds an MBA from Harvard.

It is sobering to think how the money going down the drain in Iraq
could otherwise have been spent. "For this amount of money, we could
have provided health insurance for the uninsured of this country,"
Bilmes tells me. "We could have made social security solvent for the
next three generations, and implemented all the 9/11 Commission's
recommendations to tighten domestic security."

That kind of list goes on: the annual cost of treating all heart
disease and diabetes in the United States would amount to a quarter of
what the Iraq war is costing. Pre-school for every child in America
would take just $35bn a year. In their main paper, Bilmes and Stiglitz
come up with an even more intriguing possibility: "We could have had a
Marshall Plan for the Middle East, or the developing countries, that
might have succeeded in winning hearts and minds."

What a historic triumph that would have been for Bush. Instead, his
legacy to generations of Americans will be a needless debt of at least
$2.5trn, what his own defence secretary describes as a four-way civil
war in Iraq, dangerous instability in the Middle East, and
increasingly entrenched hatred of the United States throughout the
world. Alas, we are likely to hear the daily roar of those C-17s as
they approach Andrews Air Force Base for years to come.

The unknown price that Britain is paying

No one is counting the long-term costs of caring for injured British
troops, reports Sam Alexandroni

The cost to Britain of the Iraq war, according to the Ministry of
Defence, will hit =A35bn at the end of this financial year. This is the
figure given for direct spending on fuel, ammunition, repairs and
transport; the real bill is certainly much bigger. The greatest of the
uncounted costs is the financial and human toll the war is taking on
the mental and physical health of British personnel serving in Iraq.

The government has not attempted to calculate the long-term cost of
caring for the injured, and official statistics offer little guidance.
Four thousand eight hundred personnel have been evacuated from Iraq on
medical grounds but only 144 were classified as "seriously" or "very
seriously" injured. What about the rest? Nobody in the MoD or NHS was
able to say how many personnel who served in Iraq are being treated in
Britain, or how many will require long-term medical care. The
treatment costs of servicemen at NHS hospitals such as Selly Oak in
Birmingham - home to the Royal Centre of Defence Medicine - are passed
on to the MoD, which in turn bills the Treasury Reserve, but once a
patient leaves the armed forces, ongoing treatment is paid for by the
NHS.

Mental health offers similar uncertainties. So far, 2,123 troops who
served in Iraq have been diagnosed with mental health problems, 328
with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD); but cases take 12 years on
average to surface and there is no sure cure. "We won't know for many
years after the Iraq war is over how many former servicemen are
suffering from psychological problems," says Toby Elliot, chief
executive of the charity Combat Stress. "The MoD doesn't provide all
the funds we need by a long way. We have to make up 40 per cent of our
funding ourselves, and that's a problem."

Nor has anyone tried to quantify the indirect economic effects. The
surge in the price of Brent crude oil from $31 a barrel at the start
of 2003 to $60 today has been driven largely by increased demand, but
Middle East instability affects the market and "Iraq has been factored
in for years", according to the oil analyst Jean-Luc Amos. The extent
to which the Iraq war has exacerbated the domestic threat of terror
and made Britain less safe remains similarly ungauged. Then there are
other costs barely considered. In 2002 a study commissioned by Ken
Livingstone, the city's mayor, estimated that war in Iraq would cost
the London economy =A31bn in lost tourism alone, though there has been
no post-invasion follow-up.

That no one in the British government has even attempted these
calculations is worrying, but perhaps any cost-benefit analysis of the
war misses the point. "In the end, if the Iraq war had brought the
Iraqis a better life and us greater security, then - whatever the
costs - it would seem 'worth it'," says Sir Lawrence Freedman,
professor of war studies at King's College London. "Because it has
been such a screw-up, then, even at a lower level of calculated costs,
it seems like a waste."

Iraq War: Key Dates
Research by Sarah O'Connor

20 March 2003 US and Britain invade
1 May 2003 Bush announces "mission accomplished"
13 December 2003 Saddam Hussein is captured
28 April 2004 Images of US troops abusing prisoners emerge from Abu
Ghraib
November 2004 US assault on Fallujah insurgents
30 January 2005 Eight million Iraqis vote in elections
July 2006 Deadliest month in Iraq: 3,438 civilians are killed
30 December 2006 Saddam Hussein is executed
10 January 2007 Bush announces 21,500 troop surge to Iraq
21 February 2007 Blair announces the withdrawal of 1,600 British
troops

Iraq 2007 by numbers
Research by Rebecca Bundhun

657,805 minimum number of Iraqi civilians reported killed since the
2003 invasion, according to the Iraq Body Count website
33% of Americans in a March 2007 poll approved of George Bush's Iraq
policy
80 US soldiers killed in Iraq last month
7,100 number of UK troops currently in Iraq
135,000 number of US troops currently in Iraq
134 number of British soldiers killed in Iraq
21,500 additional troops Bush plans to deploy in the "troop surge"
28 percentage of Americans in the March poll who said the US will
probably or definitely win the war



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On Mar 12, 5:41 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173656073.879734.303...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Of course, what makes even tortured denials possible is the fact that
> > we torture in private. But many signs point to torture becoming the
> > high-tech method of crowd control in the 21st Century. How will the
> > public react? Is what passes for TV entertainment today getting us
> > ready for what we will see as TV news very soon, torture in the name
> > of public order?
>
> I don't know about high-tech Alex, but this is what is happening now in
> many Islamic countries. It is not the future but the present.
>
> http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv
>
> You see four men wrapped in a cloth being stoned to death in public.
> People are watching for entertainment and it is recorded for TV.

FUCKING QUEERS!



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 THEY INTRODUCED THE COCKROACH RACES INTO PALESTINE (SKACHKI TARAKANAM)



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I had a good laugh while reading Haaretz headline, according to which
Israeli FM Tzipi Livni says: "U.S. must stand firm on Iraq".

It made me wonder what so funny, until I realized that at a time I had
used almost the very same words while training my brother's dog: "No,
Sparky, STAY!"

For those in US wondering what is the US "Iraq problem" all about I
warmly recommend an exellent site DogProblems.com.

If you read their slogans such as "Learn The Fast & Simple Way To Fix
Your Dog's Behavior Problems.", "Get Your Dog To Listen To You,
Anywhere You Go!", and "Transform Your Dog Into The Pet You've Always
Dreamed Of Owning!" you'll soon gather that the AIPAC guys must be
regular visitors. They've done splendid job done with US
Administration and their lackeys, including the Dems: it is not
surprising that the latter have also learned the lesson:
Democrats pair Iraq troop plan with domestic pet projects, if this is
what is meant ;)

Don't forget to sign up for our free Weekly Dog Training Tips E-mail
Newsletter while visiting the site. I'm sure you'll understand the
"War on Terror" far better following carefully the tips given by
DogProblems.com.




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I had a good laugh while reading Haaretz headline, according to which
Israeli FM Tzipi Livni says: "U.S. must stand firm on Iraq".

It made me wonder what so funny, until I realized that at a time I had
used almost the very same words while training my brother's dog: "No,
Sparky, STAY!"

For those in US wondering what is the US "Iraq problem" all about I
warmly recommend an exellent site DogProblems.com.

If you read their slogans such as "Learn The Fast & Simple Way To Fix
Your Dog's Behavior Problems.", "Get Your Dog To Listen To You,
Anywhere You Go!", and "Transform Your Dog Into The Pet You've Always
Dreamed Of Owning!" you'll soon gather that the AIPAC guys must be
regular visitors. They've done splendid job done with US
Administration and their lackeys, including the Dems: it is not
surprising that the latter have also learned the lesson:
Democrats pair Iraq troop plan with domestic pet projects, if this is
what is meant ;)

Don't forget to sign up for our free Weekly Dog Training Tips E-mail
Newsletter while visiting the site. I'm sure you'll understand the
"War on Terror" far better following carefully the tips given by
DogProblems.com.




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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!




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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!




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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!




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 AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
THE JEWS ONLY!

 AIPAC opens their annual policy conference in Washington DC on Sunday
(can't be Saturday because a few of their members have other
obligations). Among the speakers at the conference will be Dick Cheney
and Nancy Pelosi and you can guarantee both their hands will be
extended looking for cash. "Yes, we support the genocide Israel is
conducting in the middle east, now pay me!" "Yes, we approve of Israel
not honoring any of the U.N. resolutions passed against them, now pay
me!" "Yes, we will sacrifice America's sons and daughters in the
interest of advancing Israels world views, now pay me!"

How can it be legal for a foreign government to have this much
influence over our domestic politics?

    "Aipac is very influential because they have the grass roots
organisation, when a congressman first comes to Washington he already
knows Aipac, he has met their activists in his district, he knows what
it means to be pro-Israel."

Interesting comment, wouldn't you say?

It's simple, not being pro-Israel and questioning their world view and
you risk being branded an anti-Semite and losing millions in campaign
contributions. Say it with me people "E-X-T-O-R-T-I-O-N!"




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 AIPAC opens their annual policy conference in Washington DC on Sunday
(can't be Saturday because a few of their members have other
obligations). Among the speakers at the conference will be Dick Cheney
and Nancy Pelosi and you can guarantee both their hands will be
extended looking for cash. "Yes, we support the genocide Israel is
conducting in the middle east, now pay me!" "Yes, we approve of Israel
not honoring any of the U.N. resolutions passed against them, now pay
me!" "Yes, we will sacrifice America's sons and daughters in the
interest of advancing Israels world views, now pay me!"

How can it be legal for a foreign government to have this much
influence over our domestic politics?

    "Aipac is very influential because they have the grass roots
organisation, when a congressman first comes to Washington he already
knows Aipac, he has met their activists in his district, he knows what
it means to be pro-Israel."

Interesting comment, wouldn't you say?

It's simple, not being pro-Israel and questioning their world view and
you risk being branded an anti-Semite and losing millions in campaign
contributions. Say it with me people "E-X-T-O-R-T-I-O-N!"




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On Mar 12, 6:56 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Mar 10, 10:50 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever in a nationwide poll held
> > by the BBC in 2002.
>
> Churchill was also a Zionist.
>
> Deborah

TELLING ME!  NO WONDER HE HATED FUCKING JEWS!  ZIONISTS HATE THEM, TOO!




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US Army reports fifth US soldier killed in Iraq Sunday

BAGHDAD, March 12 (KUNA) - The US Army asserted Monday a 5th US
soldier was killed in Iraq on Sunday.

On Sunday, a US marine was killed in combat in Al-Anbar province west
of Iraq, a US army statement here today said. No other details were
reported.

In another statement, the US army said Monday three of its soldiers
were killed and two others were injured in three separate incidents,
two of which are non-combat incidents in Baghdad and Salah ad Din.

A US statement said a soldier from the multi-national forces in
Baghdad was killed and two others were wounded when an explosive
device blew up near their vehicle on Sunday west of Baghdad.

The statement said the soldiers were working with a US military unit
that was searching for weapons caches.

A third US army statement said a Task Force Lightening soldier was
killed Sunday in a non-combat related incident, which is currently
under investigation.

The US army, as usual, did not report other details regarding these
incidents.

The death toll of US soldiers in Iraq since the beginning of the war
to liberate Iraq has so far reached 3.194.(end) ahh.

mar
KUNA 121120 Mar 07NNNN

http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=960551


BAGHDAD, March 12 (Xinhua) - A total of five U.S. soldiers were killed
and three others wounded in Iraq on Sunday, the U.S. military said on
Monday.

A marine, assigned to Multi National Force - West, was killed while
conducting combat operations in the volatile Anbar Province in western
Iraq, the military said in a statement.

A second soldier, assigned to Multi national Division - Baghdad, was
killed and two others were injured by a roadside bomb while their unit
was supporting "an ongoing air assault mission southwest of the Iraqi
capital," the military said in another statement.

A third soldier, assigned to Task Force Lightning Soldiers, was killed
and another injured in an explosion while conducting combat operations
in Salahudin province north of Baghdad, a statement said without
specifying the cause of the explosion.

Two more soldiers died Sunday due to separate noncombat related
incidents in and north of the capital, the military said in brief
statements, adding that the two incidents are currently under
investigation.

Since the U.S.-led war in Iraq broke out in March 2003, about 3,195
U.S. soldiers have been killed in the country, according to media
count based on Pentagon figures.

Editor: Liu Dan

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/12/content_5836362.htm

The U.S. military said Monday five of its soldiers were killed and two
others were injured in separate incidents in Iraq on Sunday.

Three of the deaths were not combat-related, Kuwait's KUNA news agency
reported.


In Baghdad, gunmen opened fire on the motorcade of Iraq's minister of
agriculture, killing one of his bodyguards and injuring another, CNN
reported.


Security officials said 21 bodies had been found scattered around the
city on Sunday, most of which showed signs of torture.


Sectarian fighting between Shiite and Sunni Muslims has plagued the
Iraqi government's attempts at reconstruction for more than 14 months.


About 60 miles from Baghdad in Muqdadiya, a New York Times
correspondent said sectarian fighting turned to arson during the
weekend. As many as 100 homes and other buildings were torched, the
report said.


Victims from both sects blamed Sunni extremists who have taken over
several towns in the area and are demanding protection money, the
report said.

http://www.playfuls.com/news_10_18547-US-Reports-Five-Soldiers-Killed-In-Iraq.html




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srael has recalled its ambassador to El Salvador after he was found
bound, drunk and nude, according to Israeli media reports confirmed
Monday by a government spokeswoman.

The longtime diplomat, Tsuriel Raphael, has been removed from his post
and the Foreign Ministry has begun searching for a replacement, said
ministry spokeswoman Zehavit Ben-Hillel.

Two weeks ago, El Salvador police found Raphael naked outside his
residence, tied up, gagged and drunk, Israeli media reported. He was
wearing several sex toys at the time, the media said. After he was
untied, Raphael told police he was the ambassador of Israel, the
reports said.

Ben-Hillel said the reports were accurate and that Raphael has been
recalled, although he did not break any laws.

"We're talking about behavior that is unbecoming of a diplomat," she
said.

The ambassador did not file a police complaint in the incident, she
said.

Raphael had served for six months as the ambassador in El Salvador and
for several years at different missions around the world, she said.

The embarrassing affair was one of several involving Israeli diplomats
in recent years. In 2000, Israel's ambassador to France died of
cardiac arrest in a Paris hotel under circumstances the Foreign
Ministry refused to publicize. Media reports said he was with a woman
who was not his wife at the time.

Last year, Israel replaced its ambassador to Australia, Naftali Tamir,
after he said Israel and Australia are "like sisters" because both are
located in Asia and their peoples don't have the Asian characteristics
of "yellow skin and slanted eyes."

In 2005, Israel canceled the appointment of a diplomat to Australia
after it was discovered that he published pictures of nude Brazilian
women on the Internet while on a mission in Brazil.




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On Mar 11, 10:24 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Mar 11, 9:05 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> > > Jewish occupation of Hungary is almost complete. 75% of all the
> > > government posts, banking positions, and judicial appointments are
> > > occupied by Jews. Hungarian people are at their wits end, to get
> > > their country back. March 15 is the aniversary of the formation of
> > > Austro Hungarian Empire, which once stretche across the Balkan
> > > peninsula and Northern Italy. Many thousands of Hungarians will be
> > > demonstrating to take their country back from Jews. The Hunguarian
> > > equivalent of AIPAC has worned the Jews to stay at home or go to
> > > another country for a week.
> > > The occupation of United States is not yet complete, but Hungarian
> > > example clearly shows what will happen to United States in the near
> > > future
> > > This is what Jewish occupation of Hungary looks like:
>
> 
>
> Look, not a Muslim in sight in the Hungarian Parliament.
> I wonder why not?
>
> The whole thing is organised by neo -Nazis.
> I bet not many people turn up, the anti-racists will far outnumber them.
>
> Most Hungarians  like Jews.

THEY ADORE JEWS! THAT IS WHY AIPAC IS ADVISING JEWS TO GET THE HELL
OUT OF THERE!
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com




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"the road is one succession of dust, ruts, pits, and holes." So wrote
Dwight D. Eisenhower, then a young lieutenant colonel, in November
1919, after heading out on a cross-country trip with a convoy of Army
vehicles in order to test the viability of the nation's highways in
case of a military emergency. To this description of one major road
across the west, Eisenhower added reports of impassable mud, unstable
sand, and wooden bridges that cracked beneath the weight of the
trucks. In Illinois, the convoy "started on dirt roads, and
practically no more pavement was encountered until reaching
California."

It took 62 days for the trucks to make the trip from Washington, D.C.,
to San Francisco, and another 37 years for Ike to complete a quest,
inspired by this youthful journey and by his World War II observations
of Germany's autobahns, to build a national road system for the United
States. In 1956, President Eisenhower signed the Federal-Aid Highway
Act, which called for the federal and state governments to build
41,000 miles of high-quality roads across the nation, over rivers and
gorges, swamps and deserts, over and through vast mountain ranges, in
what would later be called the "greatest public works project in human
history." So vital to the public interest did Eisenhower, an old-style
fiscal conservative, consider the interstate highway system, he even
authorized the federal government to assume 90 percent of the massive
cost.

Fifty years to the day after Ike put his pen to the Highway Act,
another Republican signed off on another historic highway project. On
June 29, 2006, Mitch Daniels, the former Bush administration official
turned governor of Indiana, was greeted with a round of applause as he
stepped into a conference room packed with reporters and state
lawmakers. The last of eight wire transfers had landed in the state's
account, making it official: Indiana had received $3.8 billion from a
foreign consortium made up of the Spanish construction firm Cintra and
the Macquarie Infrastructure Group (mig) of Australia, and in exchange
the state would hand over operation of the 157-mile Indiana Toll Road
for the next 75 years. The arrangement would yield hundreds of
millions of dollars in tax breaks for the consortium, which also
received immunity from most local and state taxes in its contract with
Indiana. And, of course, the consortium would collect all the tolls,
which it was allowed to raise to levels far beyond what Hoosiers had
been used to. By one calculation, the Toll Road would generate more
than $11 billion over the 75-year life of the contract, a nice return
on mig-Cintra's $3.8 billion investment.

The deal to privatize the Toll Road had been almost a year in the
making. Proponents celebrated it as a no-pain, all-gain way to off-
load maintenance expenses and mobilize new highway-building funds
without raising taxes. Opponents lambasted it as a major turn toward
handing the nation's common property over to private firms, and at
fire-sale prices to boot.

The one thing everyone agreed on was that the Indiana deal was just a
prelude to a host of such efforts to come. Across the nation, there is
now talk of privatizing everything from the New York Thruway to the
Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey turnpikes, as well as of inviting
the private sector to build and operate highways and bridges from
Alabama to Alaska. More than 20 states have enacted legislation
allowing public-private partnerships, or P3s, to run highways. Robert
Poole, the founder of the libertarian Reason Foundation and a longtime
privatization advocate, estimates that some $25 billion in public-
private highway deals are in the works-a remarkable figure given that
as of 1991, the total cost of the interstate highway system was
estimated at $128.9 billion.

On the same day the Indiana Toll Road deal closed, another Australian
toll road operator, Transurban, paid more than half a billion dollars
for a 99-year lease on Virginia's Pocahontas Parkway, and the Texas
Transportation Commission green-lighted a $1.3 billion bid by Cintra
and construction behemoth Zachry Construction to build and operate a
40-mile toll road out of Austin. Many similar deals are now on the
horizon, and mig and Cintra are often part of them. So is Goldman
Sachs, the huge Wall Street firm that has played a remarkable role
advising states on how to structure privatization deals-even while
positioning itself to invest in the toll road market.

Goldman Sachs' role has not been lost on skeptics, who accuse the firm
of playing both sides of the fence. "In essence, they're double-
dipping," says Todd Spencer, executive vice president of the Owner-
Operator Independent Drivers Association, a truckers' group that
opposes toll road privatization. "They're basically in the middle,
playing one side against the other, and it's really, really
lucrative."

Despite such concerns, the privatization model has the full backing of
the Bush administration. Tyler Duvall, the U.S. Department of
Transportation's assistant secretary for transportation policy, says
dot has raised the idea with "almost every state" government and is
working on sample legislation that states can use for such projects.
"This is a ground battle in the United States right now," he says.
"States just need to be convinced that this is basically something
they should be considering."

The financial stakes are potentially huge. "You're buying the
infrastructure of the economy, and it's enormously valuable," says
John Schmidt, who served as associate attorney general in the Clinton
administration and as counsel to the city of Chicago on the $1.8
billion privatization of the Chicago Skyway, the 7.8-mile freeway that
connects the Dan Ryan Expressway in the west to the Indiana Toll Road
in the east. "[Private road operators] haven't been able to get in
here previously. There's been a demand, and it's been bottled up
because we just haven't had privatized infrastructure in this country,
so they've been buying toll roads in Chile and in France. Now, they
suddenly have the opportunity to come into this country."




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On Mar 11, 9:05 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> Jewish occupation of Hungary is almost complete. 75% of all the
> government posts, banking positions, and judicial appointments are
> occupied by Jews. Hungarian people are at their wits end, to get their
> country back. March 15 is the aniversary of the formation of Austro
> Hungarian Empire, which once stretche across the Balkan peninsula and
> Northern Italy. Many thousands of Hungarians will be demonstrating to
> take their country back from Jews. The Hunguarian equivalent of AIPAC
> has worned the Jews to stay at home or go to another country for a
> week.
> The occupation of United States is not yet complete, but Hungarian
> example clearly shows what will happen to United States in the near
> future
> This is what Jewish occupation of Hungary looks like:
>
> Hungary is already occupied by jews. Some jews from the Hungarian
> politcs. L=E1szl=F3 S=F3lyom, President of Republic J=E1nos K=F3ka, Minis=
ter of
> economics Imre Szekeres , Minister of Defence P=E9ter Kiss, Ministry of
> Social and Labour Affairs M=F3nika Lamperth, Ministry of Municipalities
> and Regional Develoment Mikl=F3s Pers=E1nyi, Ministry of Environmental
> Protection and Water Management Gy=F6rgy Szilv=E1sy, Prime Minister's
> Office J=E1nos Veres, Ministry of Finance Gordon Bajnai, National
> Development Agency Tibor Draskovics, State Reform Commission Kl=E1ra
> Dobrev, wife of Ferenc Gyurcs=E1ny Prime Minister Tam=E1s Deutsch, member
> of the opposition, FIDESZ J=F3zsef Sz=E1jer, Group of the European
> People's Party (Christian Democrats) and European Democrats Ibolya
> D=E1vid, President of the Hungarian Democratic Forum etc, etc, etc.

The Men in Blue have arrived - The murderers and child killers in blue
arrived on the 9th of March.

200 Israeli solders in their standard blue uniforms as a "military
delegation" arrived in four buses - windows covered - to the center of
Budapest to a huge city block sized synagogue. They did get out of the
bus and walked into this center of unrestrained human love and source
of all wisdom for mankind.

They were also received in the Hungarian Parliament by Mr. Laszlo
Mandur before they drove to the synagogue.

Obviously the intention is to house them there in the center of the
city, within a few hundred yards from the spots where all the action
will be played out on the 15th of March. Interesting that the Israeli
Supreme Court just made a decision that it is forbidden to use
civilians as human shields for Israeli soldiers. How will these fine
people protect themselves in our country now?

We did have a similar event: A few days before the 23rd of October
(last year) a U.S. military transporter with a few hundred soldiers
and what else was parked in a corner at the Budapest airport. It was
obvious that they were their in preparation to help to emigrate our
beloved Prime Minister, Mr. Gyurcsany and his family either to the
U=2ES. or Israel, in case if the need suddenly arrives.

Generally, the government and the media is trying to create maximum
hysteria in advance in order to justify the coming beating, blinding
and maiming of Hungarians on the 15th of March. This is the day when
the Hungarian war of independence broke out against Austria in 1848.
When the Hungarians won against Austria the Russians dutifully sent in
an army to help out...

We do have around a hundred celebrations and demonstrations already
lined up for this day.

The local Jewish organizations are openly promoting to their members
to spend the very long weekend starting on March 15th in a foreign
country.

This writer is sitting here in the middle of this whole mass, speaks
the language, has access to all possible information sources and he is
familiar with all local customs and history, still it is increasingly
difficult for him to separate reality from hysteria. The whole country
is shifting into lala-land and there is only one fix point: The local
Judeo-Bolshevik government increasingly depends on 30,000 policemen to
survive from week to week. It just might turn out to be a very long
and hot summer this year.

The government and their well paid and numerous agents keep
complaining that the rebels are importing firearms into the country.
No proof was ever provided. The whole thing sounds like an urban
legend to justify the dramatically increasing expenses for police
hardware.

There was a single incident involving an AK47: Somebody opened up on
the national HQ of the police in Budapest, a huge building covered
with bulletproof glass plates. It might be that those eight people who
were blinded by the police with rubber bullets were not all happy
about this event and used their left over eye. But it is even more
likely that it was a self-inflicted wound on those 15 glass plates.
(Replacement is $5,000/each.) The suspects were filmed with their car,
and were not caught. A rather suspicious circumstance. As far as the
use of hard rubber bullets: It will be permitted again for the police.

Around Kossuth Square, where the whole action started on the 17th of
September there is a double metal cordon, protected by police 24/7.
On the other hand the courts permitted that 15 people can actually
walk around the Square - as demonstrators. This is what they call
democracy around here.

In the meantime the government published a list of 300 public
hospitals that will be closed in the country. The buildings will be
sold to satisfy the greed of the parasites who are in preparation to
jump the ship. Thousands of government owned buildings, public utility
companies, even the airport of Budapest was sold to international
gangsters who pay kickbacks to their local comrades.

The general population is at the point of open rebellion in larger and
larger proportions. Average income and the standard of life is rapidly
decreasing while taxes, prices and fees are increasing.

Even George Soros finds that the place is unstable for investments; he
started to operate in Bolivia where the locals broke out in a revolt
against him and his clan.
The locals claim at open public meetings that Soros is buying up land
and natural resources.

David Irving will be delivering public speeches and signing his books
in Budapest, starting on the 12th of March. He is scheduled to speak
at Heroes Plaza on the 15th.

The local supervisors of our Brand New World Order figured this out
after he was already traveling in the area for a while. They are
trying to sort out how to spin this news, how to fit it into the local
background - it is not an easy job. To deny the Holiest Hoax of them
all is not a crime by Hungarian laws and for Irving it is not really
necessary to deny anything in order to make a statement.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=
=3D13086




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Jewish occupation of Hungary is almost complete. 75% of all the
government posts, banking positions, and judicial appointments are
occupied by Jews. Hungarian people are at their wits end, to get their
country back. March 15 is the aniversary of the formation of Austro
Hungarian Empire, which once stretche across the Balkan peninsula and
Northern Italy. Many thousands of Hungarians will be demonstrating to
take their country back from Jews. The Hunguarian equivalent of AIPAC
has worned the Jews to stay at home or go to another country for a
week.
The occupation of United States is not yet complete, but Hungarian
example clearly shows what will happen to United States in the near
future
This is what Jewish occupation of Hungary looks like:

Hungary is already occupied by jews. Some jews from the Hungarian
politcs. L=E1szl=F3 S=F3lyom, President of Republic J=E1nos K=F3ka, Ministe=
r of
economics Imre Szekeres , Minister of Defence P=E9ter Kiss, Ministry of
Social and Labour Affairs M=F3nika Lamperth, Ministry of Municipalities
and Regional Develoment Mikl=F3s Pers=E1nyi, Ministry of Environmental
Protection and Water Management Gy=F6rgy Szilv=E1sy, Prime Minister's
Office J=E1nos Veres, Ministry of Finance Gordon Bajnai, National
Development Agency Tibor Draskovics, State Reform Commission Kl=E1ra
Dobrev, wife of Ferenc Gyurcs=E1ny Prime Minister Tam=E1s Deutsch, member
of the opposition, FIDESZ J=F3zsef Sz=E1jer, Group of the European
People's Party (Christian Democrats) and European Democrats Ibolya
D=E1vid, President of the Hungarian Democratic Forum etc, etc, etc.




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March 11, 2007

The United States tortures prisoners. This is official policy under
the Bush administration. There is some coyness about it, but the
pathetic legalisms and non-denial denials fool only those who want to
be fooled. What we do to prisoners now was plainly called torture less
than ten years ago. While we still have some qualms about some
methods, we are willing to hand prisoners over to countries that have
less qualms, even countries we treat as enemies, like Syria.

Of course, what makes even tortured denials possible is the fact that
we torture in private. But many signs point to torture becoming the
high-tech method of crowd control in the 21st Century. How will the
public react? Is what passes for TV entertainment today getting us
ready for what we will see as TV news very soon, torture in the name
of public order?

The conversation about 24 has already started. I am not prepared to
join in, because I only watched one hour of the show before I decided
it sucked. It wasn't the de-humanization of the villains that made me
decide not to waste an hour a week on the show; it was the John Woo
arty crap meets M. Night Shyamalan "what a twist!" surprises that
turned me off. To be clear, I think Shyamalan has made some
entertaining films, and also some serious crap; on the other hand, if
every copy of every John Woo movie was turned into guitar picks
tomorrow, it would be a better world.

But you don't have to watch 24 to see torture turned into
entertainment. There are plenty of TV shows, some better and some
worse than 24, that show us torture and expect us to root for the
torturer, not the tortured. Is this preparing the audience for
something worse?

I want to distinguish here between violence and torture in
entertainment. Drama is about conflict and violence is dramatic. But
torture is the inflicting of violence on the helpless or already
subdued. I will even split it down further and say we accepted the
good cop/bad cop techniques of interrogation as entertainment long
before the 21st Century began. Having the good guy rough up some
weasel character to get information is not what I call torture as
entertainment.

In 20th Century drama, the torturer is the villain, almost without
exception. Nineteen Eighty Four introduces us to the urbane torturer
in O'Brien, but the reader is supposed to despise him. In Terry
Gilliam's Brazil, we discover the likeable Michael Palin character is
a torturer, and the discovery is as much of a shock to us as it is to
Jonathan Pryce's character. In sci-fi, the original Star Trek shows
the difference between the Federation and its mirror universe
counterpart not just by giving Spock a beard, but also by the use of
torture as a discipline tool. More recently, the two most famous uses
of torture in sci-fi are found on Star Trek: The Next Generation,
where Jean-Luc Picard is tortured by a Cardassian brilliantly played
by David Warner, and on Babylon 5, where Sheridan is captured and
tortured. The torturers are not portrayed as animals, but as people;
still, the audience's sympathy clearly lies with the unfortunate
heroes.

Staying with sci-fi fantasy, the idea that good guys might torture
shows up post 9/11. On Buffy The Vampire Slayer, it is the evil
Angelus who tortures good guy Giles in the second season. Likewise, it
is the evil slayer Faith who tortures Wesley on Angel. but after 9/11,
Angel, the hero, the non-evil twin, tortures to get information about
his son lost in a hell dimension, and Wesley who keeps a woman who
tried to kill him chained in closet. The good guys pay a price for
these acts; their characters turn darker, but we still accept them as
heroes. The writers of the shows even change somewhat; Joss Whedon
feels some remorse for these turns in the characters, and returns to
torturers as villains in the show Firefly, while Buffy/Angel alum
David Fury succumbs to the dark side and joins the writing staff of
24.

We also have torture on Lost. The torturer is a former Iraqi
Republican Guard; played by Naveen Andrews, the character of Sayid is
sympathetic. In a somewhat subversive twist, we find out in back story
after we have seen him torture more than once that he was just a
soldier when the First Gulf War began. He only became a torturer at
the insistence of the American troops, who wanted to keep their own
hands clean.

>From the fantasy of TV drama, we now turn to the reality and semi-
reality entertainment of the 21st Century. Of all the American reality
shows, the one closest to torturing its contestants is Fear Factor, or
as I like to call it "Pretty People Eating Bugs". I'd like to point
out that while the "9/11 Changed Everything" meme is being used in
this essay, Fear Factor debuted in June of 2001. I only see as much of
this show as I can stand changing channels, so I can't say if it is
getting more or less disgusting over time. I will say that Dave
Chappelle's parody skit was hilarious.

We also have the rise in popularity of Ultimate Fighting in the past
few years. People will always pay to see two people beating on each
other, but now the public has ruled the Marquis of Queensbury rules
are quaint, much as Alberto Gonzalez wants us to think the same of the
Geneva Conventions. The rise of this style can be attributed to many
causes, not just the growing bloodlust of the fan base. The pathetic
corruption of the boxing ruling bodies and the nonsensical escalation
of the storylines in wrestling did much to help this new niche of
violence as entertainment grow.

And then we have the left's complicit
y, after a fashion. Keith
Olbermann's excellent news hour Countdown is a favorite of the left
these days, on a par with The Daily Show With Jon Stewart; but every
hour, Olbermann gives us Oddball, the often violent clips of Stupid
Human Tricks found on the "Internets". The tone of the commentary is
to keep the show light, much like the Keeping Tabs segment, but many
of the scenes slip over into nasty viciousness.

The violence extends into the real meat of TV, the commercials. Super
Bowl ads, the top of the line in the industry, are getting more and
more violent. A few years ago, it was old people in walkers tripping
each other to get the last bag of snack food. This year, a rock-
scissors-paper game for the last bottle of beer is decided by one
young man throwing a rock at his opponent and hitting him in the head.

This mass de-sensitization may be leading us to an even darker place.
More on this tomorrow.




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On Mar 11, 12:16 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> On Mar 11, 7:10 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > USA starts respecting Iran's sovereignty as it moves closer to nuclear weapons<
>
> One or two puny nukes hardly should scare America. If it does, then
> America is lost already.
>
> > The dispute around the nuclear program of Iran continues its
> > development with certain stages repeating themselves time and again. The international community takes efforts to make the Islamic Republic  of Iran stick to universally recognized standards of non-proliferation  of nuclear weapons.

Just the way Israel does!Z Right?




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On Mar 11, 11:32 am, "Warhol"  wrote:
> On Mar 11, 4:00 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
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>
>
> > Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called U.S. President George W. Bush
> > a "political cadaver" and blasted U.S. policies as "imperialist" as he
> > led 20,000 supporters in an anti-American rally.
>
> > On a dueling counter-tour that brought Chavez to Argentina, the
> > Venezuelan socialist heaped one invective after another on Bush in a
> > biting, two-hour speech late Friday before 20,000 supporters at a
> > soccer stadium, talking even as Bush's plane landed in nearby Uruguay.
>
> > "The U.S. president today is a true political cadaver and now he does
> > not even smell of sulfur anymore," Chavez said, alluding to Bush's
> > waning years in office. "What the little gentleman from the North now
> > exudes is the smell of political death and in a very short time he
> > will be converted into cosmic dust and disappear from the stage."
>
> > Chavez added that he did not come to "sabotage" Bush's visit, saying
> > the timing was a coincidence.
>
> > "This act was organized to say 'No!' to the presence of the imperial
> > boss in these heroic lands of our America, in the heroic lands of
> > South America," the Venezuelan president said to raucous cheers.
> > "Gringo go home!"
>
> > A woman at the rally, Carmen Inturias, breast-fed her baby as she
> > explained why she attended the rally in repudiation of Bush.
>
> > "Bush is always against the poor," she said. "Chavez is always for the
> > poor."
>
> > Chavez was the only speaker at the event, which lasted nearly two
> > hours.
>
> > Across the river border in the Uruguayan capital of Montevideo, a
> > rowdy group of anti-American demonstrators scuffled with bystanders
> > and shattered windows at an American fast-food restaurant. The
> > incident underscored tensions there as Bush arrived Friday night from
> > neighboring Brazil and was driven in a bulletproof limousine to his
> > hotel.
>
> > "Exterminate the Empire!" a masked woman spray-painted on a business
> > facade in Montevideo. But there were no reports of serious injuries as
> > the visit began with Uruguay's first leftist president, Tabare
> > Vazquez, who seeks greater trade with Washington.
>
> > As Bush finishes talks Saturday and heads to see a conservative ally,
> > Alvaro Uribe, in conflict-wracked Colombia, the Venezuelan president
> > plans also to be in the Andean region with his protege Bolivian
> > leftist President Evo Morales, and tour flood-stricken lowlands there.
>
> Chavez is an anti Christ... and Bush still a God fearing man... the
> Difference.

That is what Bush says and he usually lies!




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USA starts respecting Iran's sovereignty as it moves closer to nuclear
weapons


The dispute around the nuclear program of Iran continues its
development with certain stages repeating themselves time and again.
The international community takes efforts to make the Islamic Republic
of Iran stick to universally recognized standards of non-proliferation
of nuclear weapons. As a rule, Teheran responds with statements saying
that the community has no right to interfere into internal affairs of
an independent state. Washington continues the chain with its own
concerns and threats of economic blockade. Experts and journalists
discuss afterwards if the USA can really invade Iran and what can
happen if such a campaign takes place indeed.



This scandal with the Iranian nuclear program took the above-mentioned
turn at the end of December 2006, when the UN Security Council ruled
to impose sanctions against Iran. When it became known that the
Iranian administration was not going to meet UN's requirements, US
officials started threatening Iran with serious consequences. To crown
it all, experts and journalists started the buzz about another
possible war.

An unexpected surprise followed when the USA agreed to participate in
a conference with Iran and Syria. It was a very daring decision for
the US administration to make. However, many experts pointed out
another curious aspect: the closer a country moves towards the
creation of nuclear weapons, the more attention it receives from the
United States. The recent compromise achieved during the discussion of
the North Korean nuclear program has proved it too. Teheran's
ambitious foreign policies have made the US administration take quick
decisions and agree for direct talks without setting forth preliminary
conditions.

It goes without saying that any proliferation of deadly technologies
complicates the control over them. On the other hand, nuclear arsenals
kept the world from the global conflict during the Cold War. It just
so happens that the destructive nuclear technology plays the same role
in the 21st century. History repeats itself.

Nevertheless, military analysts say that the USA may still launch
another military campaign against Iran. Even governmental experts in
Washington are perfectly aware of the fact that the ground operation
in Iran would be absolutely inefficient. On the other hand, many
experts say that air raids would not bring any significant result
either. Iran owns up-to-date air defense systems of the Russian
production. More importantly, the US intelligence does not have enough
information about the whereabouts of Iran's nuclear objects.




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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called U.S. President George W. Bush
a "political cadaver" and blasted U.S. policies as "imperialist" as he
led 20,000 supporters in an anti-American rally.



On a dueling counter-tour that brought Chavez to Argentina, the
Venezuelan socialist heaped one invective after another on Bush in a
biting, two-hour speech late Friday before 20,000 supporters at a
soccer stadium, talking even as Bush's plane landed in nearby Uruguay.

"The U.S. president today is a true political cadaver and now he does
not even smell of sulfur anymore," Chavez said, alluding to Bush's
waning years in office. "What the little gentleman from the North now
exudes is the smell of political death and in a very short time he
will be converted into cosmic dust and disappear from the stage."

Chavez added that he did not come to "sabotage" Bush's visit, saying
the timing was a coincidence.

"This act was organized to say 'No!' to the presence of the imperial
boss in these heroic lands of our America, in the heroic lands of
South America," the Venezuelan president said to raucous cheers.
"Gringo go home!"

A woman at the rally, Carmen Inturias, breast-fed her baby as she
explained why she attended the rally in repudiation of Bush.

"Bush is always against the poor," she said. "Chavez is always for the
poor."

Chavez was the only speaker at the event, which lasted nearly two
hours.

Across the river border in the Uruguayan capital of Montevideo, a
rowdy group of anti-American demonstrators scuffled with bystanders
and shattered windows at an American fast-food restaurant. The
incident underscored tensions there as Bush arrived Friday night from
neighboring Brazil and was driven in a bulletproof limousine to his
hotel.

"Exterminate the Empire!" a masked woman spray-painted on a business
facade in Montevideo. But there were no reports of serious injuries as
the visit began with Uruguay's first leftist president, Tabare
Vazquez, who seeks greater trade with Washington.

As Bush finishes talks Saturday and heads to see a conservative ally,
Alvaro Uribe, in conflict-wracked Colombia, the Venezuelan president
plans also to be in the Andean region with his protege Bolivian
leftist President Evo Morales, and tour flood-stricken lowlands there.




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On Mar 13, 12:08 pm, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <45f62da1$0$5764$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, thec...@ss.mil
> says...
>
> > "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people," Obama said while on
> > the final leg of his weekend trip to eastern Iowa.
>
> He obviously does not know what is happening in the Sudan!

AND YOU DO! FUCKING IDIOT!



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Coward Abdel-Rahman at trial of Saddam Hussein


March 11, 2007

The headlines on Al-Jazeera's website on March 9, 2007 were unexpected
and powerful: "Saddam Judge Flees Iraq." Raouf Abdel-Rhaman, the judge
who sentenced Saddam Hussein, as well as Barzan al-Tikriti and Awad al-
Bandar, to death, has left Iraq and has applied for political asylum
in Great Britain. Before I get to the absurdity of this cowardly act,
let's look at the trial over which Abdel-Rahman presided.

The first trial of Saddam was for signing death warrants of 148 people
in Dujail.. They had a three-year comprehensive trial and were found
guilty of treason and attempted assassination. At the time, the Iran-
Iraq War was raging and those who tried to kill Saddam were Iraqis
fighting on the side of Iran. Many fled Iraq and stayed in Iran until
the aftermath of the illegal March 2003 invasion of Iraq by the U.S.

The trial began with a judge, Rizgar Amin, who appeared to be fair. He
gave both sides chances to plead their cases. However, within a few
weeks, he resigned. He was disgusted and asserted that the stooge
Iraqi government had given him orders how to run the trial and told
him he was allowing Saddam too much leeway. He decided not to take
orders from the quislings and run a scripted trial.

His successor, Abdel-Rahman made it clear from day number one that he
would be the person to orchestrate a show trial in which the verdict
was a foregone conclusion. He kicked the defendants out of court. He
kicked their lawyers out of court. Sometimes, he held court
proceedings with neither the defendants nor their lawyers in the court
room.

Something happened that could have upset his and the stooges' plans,
even though the outcome was not in doubt. On May 30, 2006, a witness
appeared who could have blown the whistle on the entire prosecution
case. But, a quick-witted Abdel-Rahman went into action.

In December 2005, Ali al-Haidari appeared in court for the
prosecution. He said there was no assassination attempt in 1982
against Saddam.

On May 30, 2006, a defense witness said he had proof that al-Haidari
was lying. In addition, he accused the head prosecutor, Jaafar al-
Musawi of traveling to Dujail and trying to bribe people to come
forward to testify against Saddam. Al-Musawi quickly protested the
accusation and said he had never been to Dujail in his life.

Al-Rahman chastised the witness and asked what proof he had. He then
produced a videotape that showed al-Haidari giving a speech in which
he praised the "heroes" who tried to assassinate Saddam. Don't forget,
al-Haidari had said, under oath, that there had been no assassination
attempt.

To make matters worse, the tape then showed al-Musawi (who said he had
never been in Dujail) attending the celebration in which al-Haidari
spoke in 2004.

Al-Rahman was not about to let the truth get in the way of a kangaroo
court. He said that the person in the videotape was not prosecutor al-
Musawi, but someone who just happened to look exactly like him and who
had the same voice.

The tape was confiscated by the court. Then, the witness, along with
three other defense witnesses, one who stated the names and addresses
of 23 of those listed as put to death by the Iraqi government in 1985,
who were still alive, were arrested.

The only news reported after their arrest was that one witness escaped
and went to Jordan, where he spoke to the press and said he and his
comrades were violently tortured. Neither he nor anyone else has
spoken of the fate of the other three witnesses. Despite attempts at
finding out the circumstances of the witnesses, the court refused to
comment when asked by the press.

Al-Rahman was easily infuriated. Barzan al-Tikriti, who has since been
hanged, would mention the judge's Kurdish background. When he
complained to al-Tikriti about mentioning his ethnicity, the former
Iraqi Intelligence minister said, "I have no complex against the
Kurds, some of my best friends are Kurds." Abdel-Rahman exploded and
shouted, "Stop referring to me as a Kurd," and he ordered al-Tikriti
out of the courtroom.

Bushra al-Khalil, Saddam's female Lebanese lawyer once was physically
dragged out of the court room by four thugs. What was her crime? She
asked the judge if she could make a statement.

Abdel-Rahman only allowed a few defense witnesses, while the
prosecution presented as many as they desired. The prosecution took
days in its summation of the case. When the defense began, Abdel-
Rahman halted the closing remarks and said that if they had not proved
their case by now, there was no merit in allowing them closing
statements.

When the appeals court turned down the request of Saddam's defense
team about the death verdict, Abdel-Rhaman had to set an execution
date within 30 days of the appeal verdict. Saddam was hanged within
four days, on the date of the beginning of a Moslem holiday.

Abdel-Rhaman relished his image as a no-nonsense, tough judge. His
actions made up for the years of Ba'athist rule in Iraq. He wanted to
be revered in the same manner as a Hollywood star.

The truth differs, however. He stood against everything a judge is
supposed to represent: to find the truth. He lied and he was a fraud.
He was brave while he was protected by the U.S. Army in the Green Zone
and while he was in court with numerous bodyguards and his opponents
were in chains.

Once the hangings were conducted, it appears that Abdel-Rahman must
have lost some of his protection. He fled to Great Britain.

Saddam Hussein had numerous offers to "cleanse" himsel
f. While
incarcerated, if he made a public appearance on Iraqi television and
asked the resistance to cease its attacks, he would now be living on
some island in the Pacific, replete with a mansion and more money than
he could ever use. He refused.

Abdel-Rahman, who was perceived to be the tough man who ordered
Saddam's death, is just the opposite. He is a coward.

There is one aspect to this whole unlikely scenario that confuses me,
but I have yet to read where anyone else has picked up on the
quandary. Abdel-Rahman is asking for "political asylum" in Great
Britain. Political asylum is usually requested by citizens of
countries in which they are not allowed political, social or religious
rights that other citizens enjoy. Abdel-Rahman is a product of the
quisling Iraqi government. He was right in the middle of all the
shenanigans and violence the stooges have thrust on Iraq. Why is he
asking for "political asylum" when he was a mainstream player in
current Iraqi politics?

We all know the real reason for his craven exit from Iraq. There are
many Iraqis who were offended by Saddam Hussein's show trial and
hanging and some were probably picking up the stench of Abdel-Rahman's
scent. Even the U.S. and the Iraqi quislings would have been unable to
give him enough security to ensure he would still be alive at
retirement age.




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 argued that Jews were "partly responsible for the antagonism from
which they suffer" in an article publicised for the first time Sunday.

Churchill made the claim in an article entitled "How The Jews Can
Combat Persecution" written in 1937, three years before he started
leading the country.

He outlined a new wave of anti-Semitism sweeping across Europe and the
United States, which was followed by the deaths of millions of Jews in
the Holocaust under the German Nazi regime.

"It would be easy to ascribe it to the wickedness of the persecutors,
but that does not fit all the facts," the article read.

"It exists even in lands, like Great Britain and the United States,
where Jew and Gentile are equal in the eyes of the law and where large
numbers of Jews have found not only asylum, but opportunity.

"These facts must be faced in any analysis of anti-Semitism. They
should be pondered especially by the Jews themselves.

"For it may be that, unwittingly, they are inviting persecution --
that they have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which
they suffer."

The article adds: "The central fact which dominates the relations of
Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is 'different'.

"He looks different. He thinks differently. He has a different
tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed."

Elsewhere, Churchill praised Jews as "sober, industrious, law-abiding"
and urged Britons to stand up for the race against persecution.

"There is no virtue in a tame acquiescence in evil. To protest against
cruelty and wrong, and to strive to end them, is the mark of a man,"
he wrote.

The article was discovered by Cambridge University historian Richard
Toye in the university's archive of Churchill's papers.

At the time, Churchill's secretary advised him it would be
"inadvisable" to publish it and it never saw the light of day.

Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever in a nationwide poll held
by the BBC in 2002.




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On Mar 10, 10:22 pm, "sherbert"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
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> > On Mar 10, 8:37 pm, "sherbert"  wrote:
> >> Perhaps if Arabs hadn't attacked so often with suicide pacts on their
> >> bodies
> >> these things would not happen. No jews around here murder anyone for no
> >> good
> >> reason.
> > You are right, Jews stick to peddling guns to the volatile people
> > around the world, clandestinely taking over the government of these
> > United States, and selling drugs all over the world to our kids!
> >thats funny I thought Oil money funded the terrorists, or
>
> Mosques
>
> Like this?
>
> .http://www.serbianna.com/news/2007/01302.shtml

There are many demented people in the world, not all of them are
muslims




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On Mar 10, 8:37 pm, "sherbert"  wrote:
> Perhaps if Arabs hadn't attacked so often with suicide pacts on their bodies
> these things would not happen. No jews around here murder anyone for no good
> reason.
You are right, Jews stick to peddling guns to the volatile people
around the world, clandestinely taking over the government of these
United States, and selling drugs all over the world to our kids!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: You ask for proof,
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 EXCEPT FOR ONE THING: THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ARTIFACT, DOCUMENT OR
STATUE WITH ISRAEL WRITTEN ON IT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 FUCK YEAH! AND A PICTURE OF A LITTLE JEW RIGHT ON THE COIN



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 12, 7:29 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> No wonder it is a bastion of democracy and the worlds best country.

SHIT YEAH, COMPLETE WITH THE TORTURE CHAMBERS!



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On Mar 13, 12:07 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:36 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > > > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
> > >    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
> > >    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
> > in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
> > their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!
>
>    And what is the agenda of your so-called Kikeland?
>
>  Michael

Kikes have one agenda only, to call themselves  Americans and in
reality to work for Israel and to spy on America



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On Mar 12, 9:06 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  AMERICA IS ALSO RULED BY THE JEWS, NOT BY CONGRESS, NOT BY SENTAE BY
> > THE JEWS ONLY!
>
>    They certainly do a much better job of it than Nazis.
>
>    The Nazis' "One Thousand Year Reich" only lasted twelve years.
>
>  Michael

If you like Kikeland so much why don't you go there? Many people here
in USA come from many lands, but they do not try to push the agenda of
their home countries down the throats of Americans, only Jews do that!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 12, 5:36 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173662323.249232.4...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> >  It does not matter if Osama is dead or alive, he is being hunted
> > because he is a muslim, not because he has comited any crime against
> > these United States or anything. He is simply a danger to the ruling
> > puppets of Middle East that is all!
>
> > There is no evidence linking Osama with 911, or any other crime.
>
> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm
>
> What are the FBI on to Alex?
>
> http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
>
> USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998,
> BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND
> NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN
> LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
>
Whatever, who gives a shit? I don't!




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On Mar 13, 11:48 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173732695.752874.246...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 5:34 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > In article <1173643491.564522.137...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>,
> > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > > On Mar 11, 10:13 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > > > > Well Alex how are you going to explain this away.
>

Most muslims are poor people. They celebrate the way they can afford.
Muslims do not engage in robbing people the way Jews do!



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 Just wait until UN prosecutes all the ZioNazi murderers and torturers!



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On Mar 13, 12:14 pm, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173760552.717267.196...@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>,
> AirRaid...@gmail.com says...
>
> > Syria concentrates most of its long-range surface missiles in the
> > north. Its decision to bring them so close to the border may indicate
> > that Damascus is seriously thinking of attacking Israel.
>
> Syria knows in a major hot conflict it faces nuclear weapons without any
> credible response. So Syria is looking at a low intensity conflict. The
> purpose of the missiles is to force the Israel military if it does get
> into such a conflict to attack before it is ready to move.

THAT IS ASSUMING THAT SYRIA DOES NOT HAVE THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. RIGHT?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:12:57 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 300 the Movie, Jew war against Iran
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On Mar 13, 9:52 pm, "NefeshBarYochai"  wrote:
> On Mar 13, 7:43 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
>
> > The Jews now cannot defeat the Iranian people through threat and hyperbole.
> > Now they use the filth they used against Arabs in Hollywood. But the Jews
> > are bankrupt European race.  When Mel Gibson depicted the truth about the
> > Jews in his Movie, Christ, they were up in arm, because the truth has pain.
>
> > SJ
>
> Why do we even need to defeat the Iranian people, all we really need
> to do is kill you and that will solve 90% of the

LOOKS TO ME THAT YOU BASTARDS HAVE TROUBLE STAYING ALIVE YOURSELVES

> Anti-Semitism that exists today plus we would be getting rid of YOU,
> another baby-fucker that is related to the late King Agag
> YM"SH,Y'Sh,Y"ShU.




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: It's long past time to abolish the UN
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 I agree! UN should be abolished retroactively to 1947, so that
ZioNazi enclave would also disappear off the face of the Earth!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HIDING THE 2.5 TRILLION IN REAL COSTS OF WAR
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On Mar 13, 7:51 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>  KILL THE JEWS FOR WHATEVER COST TO PREVENT THE WORLD CATASTROPHE!

Maybe we should stick to just ZioNazis!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Iran says "300" is insulting
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On Mar 13, 8:43 pm, "alejandro de tacobell"
 wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:01 pm, Kuskokwim  wrote:
>
> > I'm surprised it took so long:http://english.people.com.cn/200703/12/eng20070312_356565.html
>
> i find this odd. if iran is so proud of its pagan-persian heritage,
> how come so much of it has been suppressed and buried under the iron
> heel of islam?  how much is persian paganism welcome in iran? last
> time the shah tried to revive it, the muslims went nuts.

You are one stupid dude! Having seen the piece of garbage I completely
agree with Persians



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 13, 9:43 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
> The Jews now cannot defeat the Iranian people through threat and hyperbole.
> Now they use the filth they used against Arabs in Hollywood. But the Jews
> are bankrupt European race.  When Mel Gibson depicted the truth about the
> Jews in his Movie, Christ, they were up in arm, because the truth has pain.
>
> SJ

The movie is garbage! It does not even justify a mention!



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On Mar 13, 11:32 pm, "Metzuyan"  wrote:
> "NefeshBarYochai"  wrote:
>
> Oh my my my. Salasshole Jafart is digging up new outrageous lies from that steaming
> pile of compost that IT calls a brain. And lying about its mother. Never had one, it spawned
> from the filthy refugee camp it(supposedly) calls home. Now be a good little it and crawl back
> to nothingness where it belongs. And take Alex with it too. Embicilic Moron. LOL

IT IS SPELLED "IMBECILIC" YOU STUPID JEW ARSEHOLE, AND APPLIES
ENTIRELY TO YOU AND THE REST OF THE BLOODY JEWS!



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It is not a "problem" just the way Allah eliminates imbeciles from the
Land of Palestine



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: This Is Why God Loves Jews - for the Culture & Traditions
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 SOME "CULTURE"!  KILLING 1,000 CHILDREN JUST IN 2006, IS FASCISM NOT
CULTURE!



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On Mar 14, 10:42 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173880494.478278.184...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > For millions of years Africa was the knowledge centre for the whole
> > human family and the teacher to Socrates, Plato, Herodotus, and all
> > the other great avatars of the world from China, Europe, India, etc.
>
> Alex do you really read this shit!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE HUMANS ORIGINATED FROM, BERNARD, YOU ARE STUPID
LIKE A POCK. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THE ROOTS OF THE EUROPEAN
CULTURE CAME FROM? OF COURSE NOT. DO YOU KNOW ON WHICH CONTINENT
ANCIENT EGYPT  IS LOCATED ON? OF COURSE NOT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 14, 12:22 pm, "The First Solutrean"
 wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.2062b4df4311d653989d03@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <1173880494.478278.184...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
> >> For millions of years Africa was the knowledge centre for the whole
> >> human family and the teacher to Socrates, Plato, Herodotus, and all
> >> the other great avatars of the world from China, Europe, India, etc.
>
> > Alex do you really read this shit!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > --
> > Blogging is very time consuming.
>
> > Observations of Bernard - No 110
>
> Interesting. Other than the Ejipchins, there is little recorded African
> history...or even architectural ruins...or written langwidge.

WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Dear Captain
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On Mar 14, 2:24 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> Converted Andrew, just to correct you, we base our claim not on the Bible
> but on secular property rights, no matter how much you and your ilk yell to
> the contrary to fit your worldview, which is a pure fascist tactic.

SHIT YEAH! AND YOU HAVE A TITLE TO PALESTINE. HOWEVER THERE IS NOT A
SINGLE MAP OR ARTIFACT WHICH CONFIRMS YOUR  BULLSHIT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The jews knew about 9-11
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On Mar 14, 7:39 pm, Daisy Duke  wrote:
> Don't you think they should have warned the US?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/37muwq
>
> ==
>
> '...jews are the great masters of lying.'
>                            -Schopenhauer




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From: "Venceremos" 
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 The idea that explosives were used is further strengthened by the
many features of the collapses:

1=2E They were symmetrical, straight-down collapses, meaning that all
287 columns in each of the towers (47 massive core columns and 240
perimeter columns) and all 81 columns in WTC 7 had to collapse
simultaneously. To believe that this could have been caused by fire,
which was not spread evenly throughout any of the buildings, is to
believe in a miracle.

2=2E The collapses were total, with each skyscraper collapsing into a
pile of rubble only a few stories high. Accordingly, each of the steel
columns had to be sliced into many pieces---which is what explosives
do in controlled implosions.

3=2E Virtually all of the concrete and furniture was pulverized into
extremely fine dust particles (which created huge dust clouds). Fire
plus gravity would not have provided nearly enough energy to do this.

4=2E At the beginning of the collapse of each of the Twin Towers, which
started near the top, steel beams were ejected out horizontally as far
as 600 feet. Gravitational energy, which is vertical, cannot begin to
explain these massive horizontal ejections. (In his companion essay,
"Conspiracy Disproved," Cockburn suggests, incredibly, that nothing
was ejected other than "puffs of smoke." He also seems unaware that
signs of explosions occurred near the impact point, not simply 20 to
60 floors lower, and falsely assumes that the timing of the explosions
would have to be determined beforehand.)

5=2E All three buildings came down at virtually free-fall speed, meaning
that the lower floors, with all their steel and concrete, were
providing no resistance to the upper floors. Cockburn says: "There is
not the slightest need to postulate pre-placed explosive charges to
explain why the towers collapsed at near free-fall speeds." But that
claim violates basic laws of physics.

5=2E For many weeks afterwards, pools of molten metal were found under
each building. Steel does not begin to melt until it reaches about
1,540=B0C, whereas the fires could not have been over 1000=B0C. 6



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONNECTION 0F THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE - vii
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On Mar 14, 2:18 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> My beloved Jewish brothers and sisters, as promised, I post the continuation
> of the narration of the ongoing saga of the Noble Jewish Nation in its quest
> for self-determination and self-emancipation.
>
> In this quest we succeeded beyond belief, beyond any expectation, in a
> manner that no other nation accomplished.
>
> All this in a mere 110 years, all the while beleaguered by the false
> claimers of the land, the so-called Palestinians, supported by the
> left-fascists.
>
> Hazak ve-Emats, am-Israel!
>
> Long Live The Noble Jewish Nation!
>
> Enjoy and fight!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> PALESTINE AS THE CENTRE OF THE DIASPORA
> The position of the Jewish people at the time of the Arab invasion presents
> a picture of tragic complexity.

STUPID, UNEDUCATED MONGREL! JEWS WERE EXPELLED FROM A SMALL PART OF
NORTHERN PALESTINE THEY OCCUPIED BY THE ROMANS 500 YEARS BEFORE ISLAM
CAME TO PALESTINE! ARE YOU NUTS?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 14, 6:19 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Salah Jafar"  wrote in message
>
> news:Y9VJh.16180$mh7.7799@trnddc04...
>
>
>
> > The war began as planned.
> > The Israeli pilots took off well before dawn and streaked across Lebanon
> and
> > northern Iraq, high above Kirkuk. Flying US-made F-15 and F-16s, the
> > Israelis separated over the mountains of western Iran, the pilots
> gesturing
> > a last minute show of confidence in their mission, maintaining radio
> > silence.
>
> > Just before the sun rose over Tehran, moments before the Muslim call to
> > prayer, the missiles struck their targets. While US Air Force AWACS planes
> > circled overhead--listening, watching, recording--heavy US bombers
> followed
> > minutes later. Bunker-busters and mini-nukes fell on dozens of targets
> while
> > Iranian anti-aircraft missiles sped skyward.
>
> > The ironically named Bushehr nuclear power plant crumbled to dust. Russian
> > technicians and foreign nationals scurried for safety. Most did not make
> it.
>
> > Targets in Saghand and Yazd, all of them carefully chosen many months
> before
> > by Pentagon planners, were destroyed. The uranium enrichment facility in
> > Natanz; a heavy water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak; the Ardekan
> > Nuclear Fuel Unit; the Uranium Conversion Facility and Nuclear Technology
> > Center in Isfahan; were struck simultaneously by USAF and Israeli bomber
> > groups.
>
> > The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran Molybdenum, Iodine and
> Xenon
> > Radioisotope Production Facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose
> > Laboratories, the Kalaye Electric Company in the Tehran suburbs were
> > destroyed.
>
> > Iranian fighter jets rose in scattered groups. At least those Iranian
> > fighter planes that had not been destroyed on the ground by swift and
> > systematic air strikes from US and Israeli missiles. A few Iranian
> fighters
> > even launched missiles, downing the occasional attacker, but American top
> > guns quickly prevailed in the ensuing dogfights.
>
> > The Iranian air force, like the Iranian navy, never really knew what hit
> > them. Like the slumbering US sailors at Pearl Harbor, the pre-dawn,
> > pre-emptive attack wiped out fully half the Iranian defense forces in a
> > matter of hours.
>
> > By mid-morning, the second and third wave of US/Israeli raiders screamed
> > over the secondary targets. The only problem now, the surprising
> > effectiveness of the Iranian missile defenses. The element of surprise
> lost,
> > US and Israeli warplanes began to fall from the skies in considerable
> > numbers to anti-aircraft fire.
>
> > At 7:35 AM, Tehran time, the first Iranian anti-ship missile destroyed a
> > Panamanian oil tanker, departing from Kuwait and bound for Houston.
> Launched
> > from an Iranian fighter plane, the Exocet split the ship in half and set
> the
> > ship ablaze in the Strait of Hormuz. A second and third tanker followed,
> > black smoke billowing from the broken ships before they blew up and sank.
> By
> > 8:15 AM, all ship traffic on the Persian Gulf had ceased.
>
> > US Navy ships, ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian
> Ocean,
> > south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US
> > fighter planes circled the burning wrecks in the bottleneck of Hormuz but
> > the Iranian fighters had fled.
>
> > At 9 AM, Eastern Standard Time, many hours into the war, CNN reported a
> > squadron of suicide Iranian fighter jets attacking the US Navy fleet south
> > of Bahrain. Embedded reporters aboard the ships--sending live feeds
> directly
> > to a rapt audience of Americans just awakening--reported all of the
> Iranian
> > jets destroyed, but not before the enemy planes launched dozens of Exocet
> > and Sunburn anti-ship missiles. A US aircraft carrier, cruiser and two
> > destroyers suffered direct hits. The cruiser blew up and sank, killing 600
> > men. The aircraft carrier sank an hour later.
>
> > By mid-morning, every military base in Iran was partially or wholly
> > destroyed. Sirens blared and fires blazed from hundreds of fires.
> Explosions
> > rocked Tehran and the electrical power failed. The Al Jazeerah news
> station
> > in Tehran took a direct hit from a satellite bomb, leveling the entire
> > block.
>
> > At 9:15 AM, Baghdad time, the first Iranian missile struck the Green Zone.
> > For the next thirty minutes a torrent of missiles landed on GPS
> coordinates
> > carefully selected by Shiite militiamen with cell phones positioned
> outside
> > the Green Zone and other permanent US bases. Although US and Israeli
> bomber
> > pilots had destroyed 90% of the Iranian missiles, enough Shahabs remained
> to
> > fully destroy the Green Zone, the Baghdad airport, and a US Marine base.
> > Thousands of unsuspecting US soldiers died in the early morning barrage.
> Not
> > surprisingly, CNN and Fox withheld the great number of casualties from
> > American viewers.
>
> > By  9:30 AM, gas stations on the US east coast began to raise their
> prices.
> > Slowly at first and then altogether in a panic, the prices rose. $4 a
> > gallon, and then $5 and then $6, the prices skyrocketed. Worried
> motorists,
> > rushing from work, roared into the nearest gas station, radios blaring the
> > latest reports of the pre-emptive attack on Iran. While fistfights broke
> out
> > in gas stations everywhere, the third Middle Eastern war had begun.
>
> > In Washington DC, the spin began minutes after the first missile struck
> its
> > intended target. The punitive strike--not really a war said the harried
> > White House spokesman--would further democracy and peace in the Middle
> East.
> > Media pundits mostly followed the party line. By ridding Iran of weapons
> of
> > mass destruction, Donald Rumsfeld declared confidently on CNN, Iran might
> > follow in the footsteps of Iraq, and enjoy the hard won fruits of freedom.
>
> > The president scheduled a speech at 2 PM. Gas prices rose another two
> > dollars before then. China and Japan threatened to dump US dollars. Gold
> > rose $120 an ounce. The dollar plummeted against the Euro.
>
> > CNN reported violent, anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome,
> Berlin
> > and Dublin. Fast food franchises throughout Europe, carrying American
> > corporate logos, were firebombed.
>
> > A violent coup toppled the pro-American Pakistan president. On the New
> York
> > Stock Exchange, prices fell in a frenzy of trading--except for the major
> > petroleum producers. A single, Iranian Shahab missile struck Tel Aviv,
> > destroying an entire city block. Israel vowed revenge, and threatened a
> > nuclear strike on Tehran, before a hastily called UN General Assembly in
> New
> > York City eased tensions.
>
> > An orange alert in New York City suddenly reddened to a full-scale terror
> > alarm when a package detonated on a Manhattan subway. Mayor Bloomberg
> > declared martial law. Governor Pataki ordered the New York National Guard
> > fully mobilized, mobilizing what few national guardsmen remained in the
> > state.
>
> > President Bush looked shaken at 2 PM.  The scroll below the TV screen
> > reported Persian Gulf nations halting production of oil until the conflict
> > could be resolved peacefully. Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, announced
> a
> > freeze in oil deliveries to the US would begin immediately. Tony Blair
> > offered to mediate peace negotiations, between the US and Israel and Iran,
> > but was resoundingly rejected.
>
> > By 6 PM, Eastern Standard Time, gas prices had stabilized at just below
> $10
> > a gallon. A Citgo station in Texas, near Fort Sam Houston Army base, was
> > firebombed. No one claimed responsibility. Terrorism was not ruled out.
>
> > At sunset, the call to prayer--in Tehran, Baghdad, Islamabad, Ankara,
> > Jerusalem, Jakarta, Riyadh--sounded uncannily like the buzzing of enraged
> > bees.<
>
> But in the end  we win, right, and soon enough,   Iran, needing to feed its
> people, goes back to selling oil, and life goes on, minus one Iranian
> nuclear capability, right? Life goes on.
>
SO SAYS AN IDIOT WHO HAS NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 14, 6:44 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Mirelle"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173897014.754940.265410@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 3:19 pm, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
>
> > > But in the end  we win, right,
>
> > WRONG.
>
> > > and soon enough,   Iran, needing to feed its
> > > people, goes back to selling oil, and life goes on, minus one Iranian
> > > nuclear capability, right?
>
> > WRONG.
>
> > >Life goes on.
>
> > RIGHT.
> > "ISREAL," bye.. bye...<<
>
> Yisra El to you, sweetie. "Palestine" bye bye!
>
> > Hello...Justice.
> > Hello...reparations paid, by former 'israel,' for war crimes;<
>
> Reparations indeed.  We'll blow that Muslim piece of shit standing on top of
> our Holy Temple site off and send the pieces back to Mecca.  It's Jewish
> land, sweetie. You Arabs abused it long enough. It's now in the hands of its
> rightful people again. Or at least part of it is.
>
> > and crimes against humanity.<
>
> Muhammad was the master criminal against humanity

NEVERTHELESS HE SAVED THE JEWISH ARSE FROM BEING ROASTED BY ISABELLA
OF SPAIN



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 THE JEWS EXPLODED THE WORLDThe idea that explosives were used is
further strengthened by the many features of the collapses:

1=2E They were symmetrical, straight-down collapses, meaning that all
287 columns in each of the towers (47 massive core columns and 240
perimeter columns) and all 81 columns in WTC 7 had to collapse
simultaneously. To believe that this could have been caused by fire,
which was not spread evenly throughout any of the buildings, is to
believe in a miracle.

2=2E The collapses were total, with each skyscraper collapsing into a
pile of rubble only a few stories high. Accordingly, each of the steel
columns had to be sliced into many pieces---which is what explosives
do in controlled implosions.

3=2E Virtually all of the concrete and furniture was pulverized into
extremely fine dust particles (which created huge dust clouds). Fire
plus gravity would not have provided nearly enough energy to do this.

4=2E At the beginning of the collapse of each of the Twin Towers, which
started near the top, steel beams were ejected out horizontally as far
as 600 feet. Gravitational energy, which is vertical, cannot begin to
explain these massive horizontal ejections. (In his companion essay,
"Conspiracy Disproved," Cockburn suggests, incredibly, that nothing
was ejected other than "puffs of smoke." He also seems unaware that
signs of explosions occurred near the impact point, not simply 20 to
60 floors lower, and falsely assumes that the timing of the explosions
would have to be determined beforehand.)

5=2E All three buildings came down at virtually free-fall speed, meaning
that the lower floors, with all their steel and concrete, were
providing no resistance to the upper floors. Cockburn says: "There is
not the slightest need to postulate pre-placed explosive charges to
explain why the towers collapsed at near free-fall speeds." But that
claim violates basic laws of physics.

5=2E For many weeks afterwards, pools of molten metal were found under
each building. Steel does not begin to melt until it reaches about
1,540=B0C, whereas the fires could not have been over 1000=B0C. 6



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:08 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: Court convicts Hebbron settler.
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On Mar 14, 11:49 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> The Jerusalem Magistrates Court convicted Wednesday Yifat Elkobi, resident
> of the Jewish settlement in Hebron , for inappropriate conduct in public and
> causing damage to the house of a Palestinian family in 2001.
>
> Elkobi recently made headlines when Ynet exposed an incident documented by
> B'Tselem showing her harassing a Palestinian family in Hebron.
>
> Justice Rivka Friedman-Feldman said that Elkobi's actions were severe and
> that luckily she only smashed windows and didn't cause any bodily harm.
>
> According to the indictment, in 2001 Elkobi was throwing stones at the homes
> of Palestinians in Hebron, damaging one house.
>
> Harsh punishment for severe acts
>
> The court sentenced her to four months of community service, a suspended
> sentence of 6 months and either a NIS 300 fine (about $71) or a 10-day jail
> sentence. She was also instructed to pay the Palestinian family NIS 1000
> ($237) in compensation.
>
> In her ruling, Justice Friedman-Feldman wrote that Elkobi showed disrespect
> to the court and the judicial process during the trial, and that she still
> refuses to take responsibility for her actions.
>
> "Until today, Elkobi has only received light punishments. The severity of
> these actions, however, requires harsh punishment," she said.
>
> Article & video:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3376671,00.html
>   --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

It is a hate crime, and in US that idiot wopuld hyave been locked up
for a couple of years, but because he is a Jew, he gets off with a
slap on the wrist!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: LITVINENKO SPIED FOR ISRAELI MAFIA
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On Mar 15, 12:26 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> BernardZ wrote:
> > In article <1173845688.449687.320...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
> > >     Leonid Nevzlin, former CEO of the oil giant and current chairman
> > > of the Diaspora Museum in Tel Aviv, says the former Russian spy came
> > > to Israel with classified documents on Yukos which may be damaging
> > > to Russian leaders. Nevzliln estimates that Litvinenko's death was
> > > connected with this information, which he has handed to London
> > > police investigators of the murder.
>
> > Litvinenko was a Muslim. Although many heroic Muslims have spied for
> > Israel, there is no evidence that Litvinenko spied for Israel.
>
> > If he had already passed the documents to Nevzlin then by your logic
> > it was too late for the Russians to kill him.
>
> Alex got this from pravda.ru., the source of many of this BS posts.
> It is absolute rubbish.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

THERE IS NO BIGGER RUBBISH THAN YOU TILLY THAT IS AFTER CNN AND
JERUSALEM POST!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.history,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
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On Mar 15, 2:02 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> (AlexBenMirelleetal) are barking, and the caravan, us, the Jewish Nation, is
> passing by in creating, in true Jewish genius fashion, the State of Israel,
> a fit that cannot be duplicated by most.
>
You are one stupid dude if you still have not figured out that neither
I nor most of the people here hate Jews per se. WE HATE THE ZIONAZIS
WHO ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZI I FOUGHT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.history,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Know what to answer to the professional liars AlexBenMirelleetal
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On Mar 15, 12:01 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> Don't let the liars, the detractors, the deceptive weasels of ours, the
> antisemites, to say otherwise; it's their profession to lie, it's their
> reason for living and making a shadow to this earth, so after you answer
> them, let them bark as our caravan is passing by and winning the  day.
>
> As you can see from the following, the Ashkenazi Jews comprise appr. 80% of
> the current Jewry global population.

THE FACT REMAINS THAT NEITHER OF THEM ARE SEMITES, NOR DO THEY HAVE
ANY CONNECTION WITH MIDDLE EAST, EXCEPTING THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED
AMONGST THE ARABS FOR A NUMBER OF CENTURIES AND WERE IMBUED BY THE
ARAB CULTURAL HERITAGE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.history,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Know what to answer to the professional liars AlexBenMirelleetal
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On Mar 15, 1:15 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> In the case of Mirelle/Vera, the correct answer is to nail the
> liar with the fact that she ALSO insist that her husband Saul
> Perks, is Jewish - and has yet to tell us that he is Sephardi
>  - meaning that he's got to be Ashkenazi. So she's either
> lying about Ashkenazi Jews, or her husband, or both.
>
> Susan
SAUL IS A JEW, AND AN AMERICAN/CANADIAN FIRST, AND HE TELLS YOU TO
STICK THE ZIONAZI ENCLAVE UP YOUR ARSE!z



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.history,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: AshkeNAZI "jews" are CONverts
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On Mar 15, 1:55 pm, "NefeshBarYochai"  wrote:
> On Mar 15, 11:48 am, "Mirelle"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dan Barkye wrote:
>
> > AshkeNAZI "jews," are CONverts;
> > they lack the fabled "Abraham's seed."
> > They have no legal, nor biblical claim, to the Holy Land.
>
> > Mirelle
>
> > > Don't let the liars, the detractors, the deceptive weasels of ours, the
> > > antisemites, to say otherwise; it's their profession to lie, it's their
> > > reason for living and making a shadow to this earth, so after you answer
> > > them, let them bark as our caravan is passing by and winning the  day.
>
> > > As you can see from the following, the Ashkenazi Jews comprise appr. 80% of
> > > the current Jewry global population.
> > > There is NO connection between them and the Khazar tribe and its kingdom of
> > > Northern Caucasus, opposite to the parts from where the Ashkenazi Jews came
> > > from. They converted to Judaism in the late 8th cent. or early 9th.
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim are Jews
> > > descended from the medieval Jewish communities of the Rhineland. Many later
> > > migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in Germany, Poland, Austria,
> > > Eastern Europe and elsewhere between the 10th and 19th centuries. From
> > > medieval times until the mid-20th century, the lingua franca among Ashkenazi
> > > Jews was Yiddish or Slavic languages such as the (now extinct) Knaanic, and
> > > they developed a distinct culture and liturgy influenced by interaction with
> > > surrounding nations.
> > > Although in the 11th century they comprised only 3% of the world's Jewish
> > > population, today Ashkenazi Jews account for approximately 80% of world
> > > Jewry. Most Jewish communities with extended histories in Europe are
> > > Ashkenazim, with the exception of those associated with the Mediterranean
> > > region. A significant portion of the Jews who migrated from Europe to other
> > > continents in the past two centuries are Eastern Ashkenazim, particularly in
> > > the United States.
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Dan
>
> > > --
> > > "Dieu et mon Droit"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Go fuck yourself you Nazi bitch you dirty fucking Hun.  Your oxigen
> tank is filled with the farts of the Ashkenaz.

YOU ARE ONE UNCULTURED SAVAGE PIG AREN'T YOU!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 30 to 40 conspirators wired up the WTC and not one could be found?
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On Mar 15, 11:42 am, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
> 30 to 40 conspirators wired up the WTC and not one could be found?
> Are you crazy?

There is not a slightest doubt in the world that WTC was blown up
probably using thermite high-temp explosives. Not a single engineer
worth his salt has confirmed the Zionist version of events. BTW, why
are you so keen to blame the man in the cave? He had nothing to do
with it, he said so!



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On Mar 15, 3:43 pm, "george"  wrote:
> On Mar 16, 8:31 am, "Mich"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Vlad"  wrote in message
>
> >news:HXbKh.12969$tD2.807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> > > Venceremos wrote:
>
> > >> The idea that explosives were used is further strengthened by the many
> > >> features of the collapses:
>
> > > The Dutch owner of a professional demolition company was shown the video
> > > of
> > > Building 7 coming down.  He was not told he was looking at 911 video.  He
> > > proceeded to state that -- yes - it was a classic example of blowing out
> > > the support columns in the basement followed by folding the building into
> > > the basement.
>
> > > He was asked to guess how many men would be required to wired up the
> > > building in one day.  He guessed 30 to 40 men.
>
> > > Then he was told that he was looking at 911 video and the building had
> > > some
> > > scattered fires on the day it came down (like most people - he did not
> > > know
> > > building 7 fell on the same day as the towers).  He was stunned and said
> > > he
> > > had no explanation as to what happened.
>
> > > 911 was a false flag operation.  End of story.
>
> > I keep reading how thermites did it. I don't understand how some bugs could
> > have brought down a steel building.
>
> Thermite is a material that burns very well.
> We use it for welding railway lines together.
> It does not explode.
> and certainly wont bring a building down
> The 'Dutchman' quoted has no name and the firm he 'owns' has no name.
> Then you look at the originator of the thread and it's Venceremos ..
> racist, nazi, anti Jewish holocaust denier and latterly apologist for
> the mad muslims

What makes me all those things? The fact that I do not believe the
Jewish lies? Being a muslim myself I do not apologize for anyone
comittiong crimes, I tell the truth!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: LET FREEDOM RING?  NO JEW WILL STOP US TELLING THE TRUTH!
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David Irving delivered this speech in Budapest, today in the afternoon
under sunny skies, at the front of approximately 10,000 people at
Heroes Square.

BUDAPEST - "I bring you greetings from all the friends of Hungary in
my country, England....the Hungarians who live in England - and there
are many who fled from the first communist regime in 1956 - and from
all your friends and admirers, and there are many of these too.

There is one ugly truth - and it is a bitter truth - which links our
two great countries: We now both have Prime Ministers who lie.

One of them, my own Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has so far still to
confess it.

These are bad times for freedom. Perhaps one day Englishmen like me
will be seeking freedom in Hungary!

Because the lights of freedom - the right to think what we like, to
say what we think, and to print and publish what we say - are slowly
dimming as the ugly light of enforced socialism is dawning again.

I know what I am saying.

Governments do not like historians, and they like those of us who
write real history even less.

They prefer the kind of writer they can buy with money, or bribe with
knighthoods and peerages (Sir and Lord).

You know that something is foul with your own government when you see
it bringing in two-hundred foreign police troops to help it stay in
power.

You know then that your government is, in real history, in the hands
of a foreign power.

For all the 400 days that Austria held me in solitary confinement in
prison in Vienna, since you last saw me here - punished for an opinion
on history that I had expressed sixteen years before - the British
government made no protest.

We were once a great world power. Some powerful Hungarians even wanted
to have our Lord Rothermere as the next king of Hungary! A great world
power no longer, we have been destroyed by the foreign enemies within.

Jack Straw was Britain's foreign minister when Germany first demanded
that I be turned over to them for punishment: he secretly agreed - I
have seen the documents - but he could not get his hands on me because
I was in freedom in America...and Straw went to the same school as I!
Some comrade!

We are now all part of Europe, and one European country can mistreat
any other European country's citizens as it pleases. Pet=F6fi Sandor
must be turning in his grave!

Several of my good friends, writers like me, are in prison in Germany
right now, and have been for years, because of what they wrote and
believed to be true: I mention today the names only of Ernst Z=FCndel
and Germar Rudolf, the scientist.

What hypocrisy! In today's world, the system of international law that
was so painstakingly and carefully created for the Nuremberg Trials,
is now in ruins.

The innocent are in jail.

The guilty are in the seats of power.

The electoral system in the democracies has been twisted and distorted
to ensure that the criminals gain office - not ordinary criminals like
those who walked the prison yard with me in Vienna, but the mega-
criminals in the pay of Big Money and foreign powers.

Will we ever see them in handcuffs? Don't make me laugh!

George W. Bush and Tony Blair, the leaders of the USA and Britain,
launched a criminal attack on Iraq in 2003, a few months before I
spoke on the last occasion at this spot.

Under the rules of Nuremberg, what they did was precisely the same as
what Hitler did from 1938 to 1944: they have attacked countries for
their own purposes, and invented the pretext to justify their actions.

The world's newspapers and television stations have shamelessly
trotted along beside them, applauding vigorously.

Shall we ever see Blair and Bush hang for their crimes, which have
caused the Holocaust in Iraq today?

A Holocaust which has caused the deaths of over 600,000 innocent
people, and far more if we leave include those killed by the Sanctions
Campaign which pre- ceded it.

We shall not see them hang; they even deny that this Holocaust has
occurred!

Bush says he has only killed 30,000 so far; that is his best estimate.
He and Blair are the REAL Holocaust deniers, not the historians like
me.

Yes, in Washington and London the guilty are in the seats of power.

Can you tell me that it is any different now in Hungary? Are the days
of Rakosi, Revai, Ger=F6 and Farkas returning?

You tore the evil out of the heart of your Hungarian flag then. If the
evil returns ...you must tear it out again.

The world will never forget: You cast the first stone in 1956 that led
to the end of the Soviet Empire of Evil.

It is for you, the ordinary people of Hungary, to protect your
freedoms, just as you paid for the world's freedom then...with your
own blood.

Szabadsag! I leave you with this message, written in the spirit of
Pet=F6fi Sandor:

"There is one word that is even more important than freedom--for a
country as small as Hungary. And that is Independence! F=FCggetlens=E9g."

"Protect your independence first; otherwise all is lost."

http://www.rense.com/general75/aahe.htm



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:19 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Philosophy of a Left-Fascist
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 LET FREEDOM RING!

David Irving delivered this speech in Budapest, today in the afternoon
under sunny skies, at the front of approximately 10,000 people at
Heroes Square.

BUDAPEST - "I bring you greetings from all the friends of Hungary in
my country, England....the Hungarians who live in England - and there
are many who fled from the first communist regime in 1956 - and from
all your friends and admirers, and there are many of these too.

There is one ugly truth - and it is a bitter truth - which links our
two great countries: We now both have Prime Ministers who lie.

One of them, my own Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has so far still to
confess it.

These are bad times for freedom. Perhaps one day Englishmen like me
will be seeking freedom in Hungary!

Because the lights of freedom - the right to think what we like, to
say what we think, and to print and publish what we say - are slowly
dimming as the ugly light of enforced socialism is dawning again.

I know what I am saying.

Governments do not like historians, and they like those of us who
write real history even less.

They prefer the kind of writer they can buy with money, or bribe with
knighthoods and peerages (Sir and Lord).

You know that something is foul with your own government when you see
it bringing in two-hundred foreign police troops to help it stay in
power.

You know then that your government is, in real history, in the hands
of a foreign power.

For all the 400 days that Austria held me in solitary confinement in
prison in Vienna, since you last saw me here - punished for an opinion
on history that I had expressed sixteen years before - the British
government made no protest.

We were once a great world power. Some powerful Hungarians even wanted
to have our Lord Rothermere as the next king of Hungary! A great world
power no longer, we have been destroyed by the foreign enemies within.

Jack Straw was Britain's foreign minister when Germany first demanded
that I be turned over to them for punishment: he secretly agreed - I
have seen the documents - but he could not get his hands on me because
I was in freedom in America...and Straw went to the same school as I!
Some comrade!

We are now all part of Europe, and one European country can mistreat
any other European country's citizens as it pleases. Pet=F6fi Sandor
must be turning in his grave!

Several of my good friends, writers like me, are in prison in Germany
right now, and have been for years, because of what they wrote and
believed to be true: I mention today the names only of Ernst Z=FCndel
and Germar Rudolf, the scientist.

What hypocrisy! In today's world, the system of international law that
was so painstakingly and carefully created for the Nuremberg Trials,
is now in ruins.

The innocent are in jail.

The guilty are in the seats of power.

The electoral system in the democracies has been twisted and distorted
to ensure that the criminals gain office - not ordinary criminals like
those who walked the prison yard with me in Vienna, but the mega-
criminals in the pay of Big Money and foreign powers.

Will we ever see them in handcuffs? Don't make me laugh!

George W. Bush and Tony Blair, the leaders of the USA and Britain,
launched a criminal attack on Iraq in 2003, a few months before I
spoke on the last occasion at this spot.

Under the rules of Nuremberg, what they did was precisely the same as
what Hitler did from 1938 to 1944: they have attacked countries for
their own purposes, and invented the pretext to justify their actions.

The world's newspapers and television stations have shamelessly
trotted along beside them, applauding vigorously.

Shall we ever see Blair and Bush hang for their crimes, which have
caused the Holocaust in Iraq today?

A Holocaust which has caused the deaths of over 600,000 innocent
people, and far more if we leave include those killed by the Sanctions
Campaign which pre- ceded it.

We shall not see them hang; they even deny that this Holocaust has
occurred!

Bush says he has only killed 30,000 so far; that is his best estimate.
He and Blair are the REAL Holocaust deniers, not the historians like
me.

Yes, in Washington and London the guilty are in the seats of power.

Can you tell me that it is any different now in Hungary? Are the days
of Rakosi, Revai, Ger=F6 and Farkas returning?

You tore the evil out of the heart of your Hungarian flag then. If the
evil returns ...you must tear it out again.

The world will never forget: You cast the first stone in 1956 that led
to the end of the Soviet Empire of Evil.

It is for you, the ordinary people of Hungary, to protect your
freedoms, just as you paid for the world's freedom then...with your
own blood.

Szabadsag! I leave you with this message, written in the spirit of
Pet=F6fi Sandor:

"There is one word that is even more important than freedom--for a
country as small as Hungary. And that is Independence! F=FCggetlens=E9g."

"Protect your independence first; otherwise all is lost."

http://www.rense.com/general75/aahe.htm




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:20 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Suicide: solution in Israel
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 LET FREEDOM RING!

David Irving delivered this speech in Budapest, today in the afternoon
under sunny skies, at the front of approximately 10,000 people at
Heroes Square.

BUDAPEST - "I bring you greetings from all the friends of Hungary in
my country, England....the Hungarians who live in England - and there
are many who fled from the first communist regime in 1956 - and from
all your friends and admirers, and there are many of these too.

There is one ugly truth - and it is a bitter truth - which links our
two great countries: We now both have Prime Ministers who lie.

One of them, my own Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has so far still to
confess it.

These are bad times for freedom. Perhaps one day Englishmen like me
will be seeking freedom in Hungary!

Because the lights of freedom - the right to think what we like, to
say what we think, and to print and publish what we say - are slowly
dimming as the ugly light of enforced socialism is dawning again.

I know what I am saying.

Governments do not like historians, and they like those of us who
write real history even less.

They prefer the kind of writer they can buy with money, or bribe with
knighthoods and peerages (Sir and Lord).

You know that something is foul with your own government when you see
it bringing in two-hundred foreign police troops to help it stay in
power.

You know then that your government is, in real history, in the hands
of a foreign power.

For all the 400 days that Austria held me in solitary confinement in
prison in Vienna, since you last saw me here - punished for an opinion
on history that I had expressed sixteen years before - the British
government made no protest.

We were once a great world power. Some powerful Hungarians even wanted
to have our Lord Rothermere as the next king of Hungary! A great world
power no longer, we have been destroyed by the foreign enemies within.

Jack Straw was Britain's foreign minister when Germany first demanded
that I be turned over to them for punishment: he secretly agreed - I
have seen the documents - but he could not get his hands on me because
I was in freedom in America...and Straw went to the same school as I!
Some comrade!

We are now all part of Europe, and one European country can mistreat
any other European country's citizens as it pleases. Pet=F6fi Sandor
must be turning in his grave!

Several of my good friends, writers like me, are in prison in Germany
right now, and have been for years, because of what they wrote and
believed to be true: I mention today the names only of Ernst Z=FCndel
and Germar Rudolf, the scientist.

What hypocrisy! In today's world, the system of international law that
was so painstakingly and carefully created for the Nuremberg Trials,
is now in ruins.

The innocent are in jail.

The guilty are in the seats of power.

The electoral system in the democracies has been twisted and distorted
to ensure that the criminals gain office - not ordinary criminals like
those who walked the prison yard with me in Vienna, but the mega-
criminals in the pay of Big Money and foreign powers.

Will we ever see them in handcuffs? Don't make me laugh!

George W. Bush and Tony Blair, the leaders of the USA and Britain,
launched a criminal attack on Iraq in 2003, a few months before I
spoke on the last occasion at this spot.

Under the rules of Nuremberg, what they did was precisely the same as
what Hitler did from 1938 to 1944: they have attacked countries for
their own purposes, and invented the pretext to justify their actions.

The world's newspapers and television stations have shamelessly
trotted along beside them, applauding vigorously.

Shall we ever see Blair and Bush hang for their crimes, which have
caused the Holocaust in Iraq today?

A Holocaust which has caused the deaths of over 600,000 innocent
people, and far more if we leave include those killed by the Sanctions
Campaign which pre- ceded it.

We shall not see them hang; they even deny that this Holocaust has
occurred!

Bush says he has only killed 30,000 so far; that is his best estimate.
He and Blair are the REAL Holocaust deniers, not the historians like
me.

Yes, in Washington and London the guilty are in the seats of power.

Can you tell me that it is any different now in Hungary? Are the days
of Rakosi, Revai, Ger=F6 and Farkas returning?

You tore the evil out of the heart of your Hungarian flag then. If the
evil returns ...you must tear it out again.

The world will never forget: You cast the first stone in 1956 that led
to the end of the Soviet Empire of Evil.

It is for you, the ordinary people of Hungary, to protect your
freedoms, just as you paid for the world's freedom then...with your
own blood.

Szabadsag! I leave you with this message, written in the spirit of
Pet=F6fi Sandor:

"There is one word that is even more important than freedom--for a
country as small as Hungary. And that is Independence! F=FCggetlens=E9g."

"Protect your independence first; otherwise all is lost."

http://www.rense.com/general75/aahe.htm



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:21 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: LET FREEDOM RING? NO JEW WILL STOP US TELLING THE TRUTH!
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On Mar 16, 2:53 pm, "z"  wrote:
> Funny as Hell, coming from somebody who tried to sue an author and
> publishing house for telling the truth about him.
>
Jews and the truth do not go together, ever!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.history,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: AshkeNAZI "jews" are CONverts
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On Mar 16, 12:44 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 15-Mar-2007, hillelg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Mirelle wrote:
> > > AshkeNAZI "jews," are CONverts;
>
> > And the source of your knowledge is...?
>
> Her own husband, of course.
> She keeps saying Saul Perks is Jewish, and
> has never yet proven him to be Sephardi, so
> we all know what that means.
>
> Susan
>
 What the fuck does it matter, Jew is a Jew!



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 ZIONAZI GARBAGE OUT!


news:1174066959.418005.215760@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
David Irving delivered this speech in Budapest, today in the afternoon
under sunny skies, at the front of approximately 10,000 people at
Heroes Square.

BUDAPEST - "I bring you greetings from all the friends of Hungary in
my country, England....the Hungarians who live in England - and there
are many who fled from the first communist regime in 1956 - and from
all your friends and admirers, and there are many of these too.

There is one ugly truth - and it is a bitter truth - which links our
two great countries: We now both have Prime Ministers who lie.

One of them, my own Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has so far still to
confess it.

These are bad times for freedom. Perhaps one day Englishmen like me
will be seeking freedom in Hungary!

Because the lights of freedom - the right to think what we like, to
say what we think, and to print and publish what we say - are slowly
dimming as the ugly light of enforced socialism is dawning again.

I know what I am saying.

Governments do not like historians, and they like those of us who
write real history even less.

They prefer the kind of writer they can buy with money, or bribe with
knighthoods and peerages (Sir and Lord).

You know that something is foul with your own government when you see
it bringing in two-hundred foreign police troops to help it stay in
power.

You know then that your government is, in real history, in the hands
of a foreign power.

For all the 400 days that Austria held me in solitary confinement in
prison in Vienna, since you last saw me here - punished for an opinion
on history that I had expressed sixteen years before - the British
government made no protest.

We were once a great world power. Some powerful Hungarians even wanted
to have our Lord Rothermere as the next king of Hungary! A great world
power no longer, we have been destroyed by the foreign enemies within.

Jack Straw was Britain's foreign minister when Germany first demanded
that I be turned over to them for punishment: he secretly agreed - I
have seen the documents - but he could not get his hands on me because
I was in freedom in America...and Straw went to the same school as I!
Some comrade!

We are now all part of Europe, and one European country can mistreat
any other European country's citizens as it pleases. Pet=F6fi Sandor
must be turning in his grave!

Several of my good friends, writers like me, are in prison in Germany
right now, and have been for years, because of what they wrote and
believed to be true: I mention today the names only of Ernst Z=FCndel
and Germar Rudolf, the scientist.

What hypocrisy! In today's world, the system of international law that
was so painstakingly and carefully created for the Nuremberg Trials,
is now in ruins.

The innocent are in jail.

The guilty are in the seats of power.

The electoral system in the democracies has been twisted and distorted
to ensure that the criminals gain office - not ordinary criminals like
those who walked the prison yard with me in Vienna, but the mega-
criminals in the pay of Big Money and foreign powers.

Will we ever see them in handcuffs? Don't make me laugh!

George W. Bush and Tony Blair, the leaders of the USA and Britain,
launched a criminal attack on Iraq in 2003, a few months before I
spoke on the last occasion at this spot.

Under the rules of Nuremberg, what they did was precisely the same as
what Hitler did from 1938 to 1944: they have attacked countries for
their own purposes, and invented the pretext to justify their actions.

The world's newspapers and television stations have shamelessly
trotted along beside them, applauding vigorously.

Shall we ever see Blair and Bush hang for their crimes, which have
caused the Holocaust in Iraq today?

A Holocaust which has caused the deaths of over 600,000 innocent
people, and far more if we leave include those killed by the Sanctions
Campaign which pre- ceded it.

We shall not see them hang; they even deny that this Holocaust has
occurred!

Bush says he has only killed 30,000 so far; that is his best estimate.
He and Blair are the REAL Holocaust deniers, not the historians like
me.

Yes, in Washington and London the guilty are in the seats of power.

Can you tell me that it is any different now in Hungary? Are the days
of Rakosi, Revai, Ger=F6 and Farkas returning?

You tore the evil out of the heart of your Hungarian flag then. If the
evil returns ...you must tear it out again.

The world will never forget: You cast the first stone in 1956 that led
to the end of the Soviet Empire of Evil.

It is for you, the ordinary people of Hungary, to protect your
freedoms, just as you paid for the world's freedom then...with your
own blood.

Szabadsag! I leave you with this message, written in the spirit of
Pet=F6fi Sandor:

"There is one word that is even more important than freedom--for a
country as small as Hungary. And that is Independence! F=FCggetlens=E9g."

"Protect your independence first; otherwise all is lost."




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.activism,alt.impeach.bush
Subject: Re: The jews knew about 9-11
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On Mar 16, 9:51 am, "Dan Kimmel"  wrote:
> "Don Ocean"  wrote in message
>
> news:55vfb4F26phntU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > Dan Kimmel wrote:
> > >  wrote in message
> > >news:1174042302.919670.48320@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Mar 15, 9:45 pm, BDK  wrote:
>
> > >>> LOL, as usual, like the rest of your fellow kooks, you can't figure
> out
> > >>> anything. Ever wonder why the death toll wasn't a lot higher?
> > >> Uh, no.
>
> > >>> It's because a lot of people hadn't come in for work yet.
> > >> Especially the huge number of Jews who weren't planning to
> > >> come in for the entire day......
>
> > >>> A lot of people
> > >>> were lucky to get out before the collapse.
> > >> And a lot (mostly non-Jewish) were not.
>
> > >>> The exact number of joos who died is meaningless, like you and your
> > >>> bigotry and stupidity..
>
> > >>> Have a nice day, scum.
> > >> Smear the messenger, ignore the message, it's the Zionazi way.
> > >> Zionazis, America's biggest enemy.
>
> > > Your "message" is one of mindless hate.  One needn't address it
> seriously
> > > except to note that you are an idiot and a bigot.
>
> > > As an American, you disgust me.
>
> > As a real single nationality American citizen you disgust me shithead!
> > Pack your ZionNazi loving ass off to the despotic state of murderous
> > Israel and don't darken America's door with your Seditious ass!  ;-(
>
> Go back where you came from, traitor.  Real Americans don't want to have
> anything to do with the likes of you.
>
> Maybe there's a NeoNazi cell you can join and you can feel important
> servicing some skinhead would-be fuhrer.

ACTUALLY THERE IS NAZI CELL WHERE I LIVE, IT IS IN THE LOCAL SYNAGOGUE!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israel's Fifth Column
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On Mar 16, 10:51 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> There are more than one million Israeli Arabs -- more than 15 percent of
> Israel's population. These Israeli citizens have shown widespread support
> for Iran,

AND WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?  THE PALESTINIANS TO SUPPORT THE FASCIST
TERRORIST GANG YOU CALL ISRAEL?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: no bodies of two kidnapped soldiers found.
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On Mar 16, 5:41 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> > >  wrote:
> > >> The bodies of the two kidnapped soldiers have been found.

No wonder!  Last I heard, they embraced Islam, and joined Hezbollah!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:24 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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 ODJEBI MAGARE ZIDOVSKO! JEDI GOVNA!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:24 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israel's Fifth Column
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On Mar 16, 10:55 pm, "Al Nakba"  wrote:
> On Mar 16, 7:35 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Mar 16, 10:51 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > > There are more than one million Israeli Arabs -- more than 15 percent of
> > > Israel's population. These Israeli citizens have shown widespread support
> > > for Iran,
>
> > AND WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?  THE PALESTINIANS TO SUPPORT THE FASCIST
> > TERRORIST GANG YOU CALL ISRAEL?
>
> Jews should be buried in pig shite!

Oh no! Not poor Jews, they will drown in pig shit!




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:24 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.activism,alt.impeach.bush,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The jews knew about 9-11
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 Israel has not only "threatened" other countries it has attacked
Lebanon few short months ago. So why would anyone trust the ZioNazis?

Good on Ahmadinejad, build a bomb, you can do it!Z



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:25 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israel's Fifth Column
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On Mar 17, 12:23 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1174098950.183013.60410@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 16, 10:51 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> There are more than one million Israeli Arabs -- more than 15 percent =
of
> >> Israel's population. These Israeli citizens have shown widespread supp=
ort
> >> for Iran,
>
> > AND WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?  THE PALESTINIANS TO SUPPORT THE FASCIST
> > TERRORIST GANG YOU CALL ISRAEL?
>
> Nah... I expect them to continue their child abuse... Want to see some
> Muslim sesame street?
>
> 3=BD-Year-old Egyptian Basmallah: Jews Are Apes and Pigs (Archival Materi=
al)

Jews are apes and pigs. No human could perfor m the savagery Jews
performed on Lebanon few short months ago.

No human could shoot unarmed POW's in cold blood, except the Jewish
sons of pigs and apes!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: 911 happened was Re: WHY QUESTION THE OFFICIAL STORY OF HOLOCAUST AND 911?
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On Mar 17, 11:26 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1174134934.745376.183...@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > People question the holocaust for exactly the same reason they are
> > currently questioning the official version of what really happened on
> > 9-11, because there are so many legitimate questions, and no
> > forthcoming answers.
>
> 911 happened Alex. I saw it on TV when the plane crashed into the
> building.

AND KNOCKED IT OVER DOWNWARDS, AND CAUSED POOLS OF MELTED STEEL TO
STAY HOT FOR WEEKS. FUCK OFF!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Mohammed confesses to 911 was Re: 911 - THE PREVARICATED LIES, MANUFACTURED BY MOSSAD!
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On Mar 17, 11:25 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1174101111.851273.67...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > The Official Legend of 9/11 as a prefabricated set-up.
>
> http://www.nypost.com/seven/03162007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/being_fa
> ir_to_khalid_opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm
>
> March 16, 2007 -- THE transcript of al Qaeda operative Khalid Sheik
> Mohammed's March 10 tri bunal hearing runs 26 pages. It was a very
> polite proceeding - and remained so even as Mohammed's representative
> offered a lengthy statement in which he confessed to plotting almost
> every single terrorist attack on the United States since 1993.

ABSOLUTELY! HE ALSO CONFESSED TO ROBBING THE PLAZA BANK IN SEATTLE
WASHINGTON, THE BANK WHICH WAS FORMED IN 2006 (MOHAMMED HAS BEEN IN
JAIL SINCE 2003)



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: David Irving was Re: DOBRO JUTRO MADJARI
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On Mar 17, 11:23 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1174089098.024646.168...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > Governments do not like historians, and they like those of us who
> > write real history even less.
>
> David Irving does not have to worry as he is not in this category.
>
 SO SAYS BERNARD THE IMBECILE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 30 to 40 conspirators wired up the WTC and not one could be found?
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On Mar 17, 12:15 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 16, 7:34 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Mar 15, 11:42 am, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
>
> > > 30 to 40 conspirators wired up the WTC and not one could be found?
> > > Are you crazy?
>
> > There is not a slightest doubt in the world that WTC was blown up
> > probably using thermite high-temp explosives. Not a single engineer
> > worth his salt has confirmed the Zionist version of events. BTW, why
> > are you so keen to blame the man in the cave? He had nothing to do
> > with it, he said so!
>
>    What man in what cave?
>
>  Michael

IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, NOBODY CAN TEACH YOU THE DASIS OF READING SKILLS!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:29 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Disgrace of David Irving
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> It's hard nowadays for these holocaust revisionists to ply the net
> with their race hate as Google uncovers them and their filth

"Race hate"? Are you still claimi9ng that jews are a "race", and
"semites"?
Nothing is filthier than a fucking Jew, especially a Jew liar like
yourself




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: David Irving was Re: DOBRO JUTRO MADJARI
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On Mar 17, 12:11 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Mar 17, 7:43 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Mar 17, 11:23 am, BernardZ  wrote:> In article <1174089098.024646.168...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > > Governments do not like historians, and they like those of us who
> > > > write real history even less.
>
> > > David Irving does not have to worry as he is not in this category.
>
> >  SO SAYS BERNARD THE IMBECILE!
>
>    So said a judge in a libel suit that Irving FILED.
>
>  Michael
Irving's  books have sold more copies than all the lying Jews of the
world!




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:30 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israeli criminals control no less than 75 percent of the Ecstasy market in the U.S.
Date: 17 Mar 2007 17:41:22 -0700
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On Mar 17, 6:27 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
> > On Mar 16, 7:28 pm, "Gary Renzetti"  wrote:
>
> > > Many thanks, Mirelle! That one's a keeper!
>
> > You are welcome.
> > It is a good reminder, of their tactics.
>
> > Mirelle
>
> The majority of Ecstacy importers into the US are now Asians and Canadians
> not Israelis.
> It's a fact.
> Look at the government statistics. for 2006.--
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

There are 11 prisons in upstate NY. About half of prisoners there are
Jews who tried to smuggle Ecstasy into United States.

There is a story about an Old Israeli lady who decided not to board
the bus because it was Shabat, and decided to spend the hight at JFK.
During the night a sniffer dog, sniffed up her two fat suitcases. When
they opened them up they were full of Ecstasy, millions of pills. To
be fair, she was not really a smuggler. Jewish mob paid for her ticket
so she could deliver two suitcases to Brighton Beach, where her kid
lives!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: IMMORAL TO INVADE IRAQ
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 TERRORISTS ARE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

March 17, 2007

The United States has a flagrant record of violating the Geneva
Convention in systematically abusing prisoners during the Iraqi War
and the War in Afghanistan, says the Human Rights Record of the United
States in 2006 issued on Thursday.

A report released in News Night of British Broadcasting Corporation
(BBC), originally provided by the U.S.-based Human Rights First,
showed that since August 2002, 98 prisoners had died in American-run
prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Among the dead, 34 died of premeditated murder, 11 deaths were
suspicious, and 8 to 12 were tortured to death, according to an AFP
report on Feb. 21, 2006.

A Human Rights Watch report in July 2006 said torture and other abuses
against detainees in U.S. custody in Iraq were authorized and routine.

Detainees were routinely subject to severe beating, painful stress
positions, severe sleep deprivation, and exposure to extreme cold and
hot temperatures.

Soldiers were told that many abusive techniques were authorized by the
military chain of command and Geneva Conventions did not apply to the
detainees at their facility.

Detainees at Camp Nama, a U.S. detention center at the Baghdad
airport- in violation of international law- not registered with the
International Committee of the Red Cross, were regularly stripped
naked and subject to beatings.

Some detainees were used for target practice. In May 2006 human rights
group Amnesty International condemned the detention of some 14,000
prisoners in Iraq without charge or trial.

On February 15, 2006, Australia's SBS TV aired more than 10 pictures
and video clips taken at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison; the images
included: a man's throat was cut off, left forearm of a man was left
with burns and shrapnel wounds, a blood-stained interrogation room,
and a seemingly insane ma's body covered with his own feces.

U.S. army's criminal investigation division gathered materials
including 1, 325 photographs and 93 video clips of suspected abuse of
detainees, 546 photographs of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, all
recorded between Oct. 18 and Dec. 30, 2003, reported the Guardian on
Feb. 17, 2006.

Another report carried by the New York Times in December 2006 says a
man named Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago who
went to Iraq as a security contractor, was detained by American
soldiers and put into detention center Camp Cropper for 97 days.

The man said American guards arrived at his cell periodically,
shackled his hands and feet, blindfolded him and took him to a padded
room for interrogation.

When he was returned to his cell, he was fatigued but unable to sleep,
for the fluorescent lights were never turned off and at most hours,
heavy metal or country music blared in the corridor.

He was not allowed to use telephone and denied the right to a lawyer
at detention hearings.

The New York Times reported on March 18, 2006 that an elite Special
Operations forces unit Task Force 6-26 converted one of Saddam
Hussein's former military bases near Baghdad into a top-secret
detention center.

There, American soldiers made one of the former Iraqi government's
torture chambers into their own interrogation cell. They named it the
Black Room. In the windowless, jet-black garage-size room, some
soldiers beat prisoners with rifle butts.

According to another report by British newspaper The Independent, 460
people were confined in the Guantanamo prison camp, including dozens
of adolescent prisoners, with more than 60 under 18 and the youngest
only 14.

A young man named Mohammed el-Gharani was allegedly accused of member
of al-Qaeda and conspiracy in the 1998 al-Qaeda London terrorist
conspiracy when he was only 12. In 2001, he was arrested at the age of
14.

According to a report by the Washington Post, on May 30, 2006, 75
prisoners in Guantanamo went on a hunger strike against U.S. soldiers'
maltreatment.

On June 10, 2006, three prisoners hung themselves with bed sheets and
clothing, reported the Associated Press on June 11, 2006.

Mani Shaman Turki al-Habardi Al-Utaybi's family said his organs
including the brain, liver, kidney and heart were all taken away when
the corpse arrived.

Mani Shaman Turki al-Habardi Al-Utaybi's cousin said that might be
done to conceal the truth behind his brother's death.

Another Saudi Arabian prisoner's father thought his son's death was
not suicide but intentional hanging as he found bruises on his son's
body.

The Amnesty International described it as another "indictment" of the
worsening U.S. human rights record.

Human rights experts with the United Nations have condemned the United
States for long-term arbitrary detention of suspects and abuses of
detainees as serious violations of international law and relevant
international conventions.

The U.S. Military Commissions Act signed into law on October 17, 2006
allows more severe means be used to interrogate terrorist suspects.





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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: NYC March to End the War - 3/18/2007
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On Mar 18, 1:24 am, "Al Nakba"  wrote:
> On Mar 17, 10:10 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Al Nakba"
>
> >  http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=61
>
> > >> NYC March to End the War
> > >> Sunday, March 18
> > >> Assemble at 1:00 p.m.
> > >> 35th St through
> > >> 39th St. East of 6th Ave.
> > >> March at 2:00 pm.
>
> > > "Armies of the shite"
>
> > Well I wouldn't know a shite from a sunni if I saw one right in front of me.
>
> > But this march will be composed, primarily of Americans,
> > sick and tired of the cost in blood and treasure of our ill advised,
> > attack on Iraq.
>
> > I'll be there.
>
>  Isn't it funny how "anti-war marches" turn into anti American orguies
> of political correctness? Marxists, Jihadists, Sheehadists, and a
> plethora of other "useful infidels!

Amazing, isn't it?  ALLAHU AKBAR!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: NYC March to End the War - 3/18/2007
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On Mar 18, 2:35 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "torresdD"  wrote in message
>
> news:B54Lh.10940$PL.5351@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=61
> >> NYC March to End the War
> >> Sunday, March 18
> >> Assemble at 1:00 p.m.
> >> 35th St through
> >> 39th St. East of 6th Ave.
> >> March at 2:00 pm.
>
> >> "Armies of the shite"
>
> >>> Well I wouldn't know a shite from a sunni if I saw one right in front of
> >>> me.
>
> >>> But this march will be composed, primarily of Americans,
> >>> sick and tired of the cost in blood and treasure of our ill advised,
> >>> attack on Iraq.
>
> >>> I'll be there.
>
> >> Isn't it funny how "anti-war marches" turn into anti American orguies
> >> of political correctness? Marxists, Jihadists, Sheehadists, and a
> >> plethora of other "useful infidels!
>
> > Our message is being heard, far and wide.
>
> Yeah and people hate to listen to it. Hense air americas demise. Most
> Americans could give a rats as less about your message.
>
> > We want a pull out, a total pull out of Iraq.
> > No permanent U.S. Military bases.
> > Leave Iraq and the Iraqi people alone, it's none of our business.
>
> Well, shouldn't we leave the place the way we found it? With a strong man
> with a big mustache brutalizing its people?
Absolutely! After compensating the people of Iraq for the slaughter
caused by the madmen such as yourself over the next 100 years.




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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 18, 2:38 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Al Nakba"  wrote in message
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> > On Mar 17, 11:30 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> "Al Nakba"  wrote in message
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> >>news:1174195494.728111.190950@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Mar 17, 10:10 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> >> >> "Al Nakba"
>
> >> >>  http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=61
>
> >> >> >> NYC March to End the War
> >> >> >> Sunday, March 18
> >> >> >> Assemble at 1:00 p.m.
> >> >> >> 35th St through
> >> >> >> 39th St. East of 6th Ave.
> >> >> >> March at 2:00 pm.
>
> >> >> > "Armies of the shite"
>
> >> >> Well I wouldn't know a shite from a sunni if I saw one right in front
> >> >> of
> >> >> me.
>
> >> >> But this march will be composed, primarily of Americans,
> >> >> sick and tired of the cost in blood and treasure of our ill advised,
> >> >> attack on Iraq.
>
> >> >> I'll be there.
>
> >> > Isn't it funny how "anti-war marches" turn into anti American orguies
> >> > of political correctness? Marxists, Jihadists, Sheehadists, and a
> >> > plethora of other "useful infidels!
>
> >> Watermelons... Green on the outside, red on the inside. Yep torresd, is a
> >> liberal ding dong.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > She may have to avoid being clunked upside her head out there..
>
> I would like to see her pull these stunts in a Muslim country.

AND YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT A "MUSLIM COUNTRY"  FUCKING STUPID IDIOT!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: NYC March to End the War - 3/18/2007
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On Mar 18, 3:08 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "torresdD"  wrote in message
>
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> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> >news:45fccfb4$0$1363$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
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> >> "torresdD"  wrote in message
> >>news:B54Lh.10940$PL.5351@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> >>>http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=61
> >>>> NYC March to End the War
> >>>> Sunday, March 18
> >>>> Assemble at 1:00 p.m.
> >>>> 35th St through
> >>>> 39th St. East of 6th Ave.
> >>>> March at 2:00 pm.
>
> >>>> "Armies of the shite"
>
> >>>>> Well I wouldn't know a shite from a sunni if I saw one right in front
> >>>>> of me.
>
> >>>>> But this march will be composed, primarily of Americans,
> >>>>> sick and tired of the cost in blood and treasure of our ill advised,
> >>>>> attack on Iraq.
>
> >>>>> I'll be there.
>
> >>>> Isn't it funny how "anti-war marches" turn into anti American orguies
> >>>> of political correctness? Marxists, Jihadists, Sheehadists, and a
> >>>> plethora of other "useful infidels!
>
> >>> Our message is being heard, far and wide.
>
> >> Yeah and people hate to listen to it. Hense air americas demise. Most
> >> Americans could give a rats as less about your message.
>
> >>> We want a pull out, a total pull out of Iraq.
> >>> No permanent U.S. Military bases.
> >>> Leave Iraq and the Iraqi people alone, it's none of our business.
>
> >> Well, shouldn't we leave the place the way we found it? With a strong man
> >> with a big mustache brutalizing its people?
>
> > We didn't have any problem with that before,
> > we propped up that madman.
>
> That is kinda stupid, don't you think?
>
> > And the Iraqi's were better off also.
> > Electricity, running water, no bombs.
>
> Mussolini had the trains running on time?
>
> > It used to be, that just a tiny fraction of the American public
> > agreed with us, in our demand to pull all the way out of Iraq.
>
> > Now as you can see, we are in the majority.
>
> No..no...no...  That is a lie. The vast majority wants to pull out of Iraq
> but not because of your reasons..... The vast majority of Americans still
> think your kind are a bunch of freakin loons.
>
> > And we will get to the bottom of just how it can to be,
> > that we attacked Iraq.
> > Even Bush said, Iraq had  no connection to 9/11.
> > But Saudi Arabia did and Halliburton is moving their headquarters there.
>
> > We want out of Iraq!
> > Bring Our Troops Home!
>
> You are not in Iraq.. You are just some dimwitted chick that enjoys freedoms
> that come from American soldiers. I can tell you that American soldiers
> think you are full of shit. I KNOW this for a fact.

I AM  SURE THAT 14 YEAR OLD ABEER WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU IF SHE WAS
ALIVE AFTER  BEING RAPED BY THE MARINES!




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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: March 18
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  Jewish Women Embracing Islam To Double  	  Print   	  E-mail
Written by Dr Piyara Begum
Wednesday, 23 August 2006

THE NUMBER OF Jewish women reverting to Islam and marrying Muslim men
is expected to double this year. According to Israel's population
registry, an average of 35 women have reverted each year, but so far,
in the first half of 2006, 42 women have reverted.

The reversions are carried out at Islamic Shariah Courts. Unlike the
lengthy study requirements and proceedings necessary to convert to
Judaism in Israel, reverting to Islam is a very short ordeal,
entailing only declaring one's wishes to become a Muslim before the
court.

According to Jewish law, the women remain Jews and their children will
be Jewish as well however, as Muslims we believe they are Muslims.

But what are the causes of the Jewish Womens reversion? Some have
said, mixed arab and jewish communities which exist in certain parts
of Palestine and Israel has drawn sympathy amongst the Jewish women.
Others say, the rights of Muslim women far exceed the rights of women
in any other religion or community in the area or even the world and
it is due to this that the Jewish women are increasing being drawn to
Islam.

One former jewish woman who reverted to Islam is Amalia Rahman.
Friends and family say that she converted to Islam on the suggestion
of her husband, Habib.

p21-amaliaAmalia, however, begins her story much earlier, just after
college when she moved to California to be with her family. She
befriended a group of Arabs who used to visit her father's dried fruit
and nut stand at the San Jose Farmer's Market. "I had a very low
opinion of Arabs, you grow up Jewish so you have this low opinion.
It's like a filmy residue from childhood."

Despite these ingrained feelings, she found herself drawn to them and
their faith. "One thing I noticed about the people I had met, even
though I had all these prejudices in my mind, that they were very good
to each other. I wanted to be a part of that, a part of this feeling
of belonging to something so wonderful."

Whatever the reason, all we can say is Allahu Akbar as Allah guides
whom he wills and may he guide more into the folds of Islam.



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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: March 18
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 Jewish prayer:

It is our duty to praise the Master of all, to exalt the Creator of
the Universe, who has not made us like the nations of the world and
has not placed us like the families of the earth; who has not designed
our destiny to be like theirs, nor our lot like that of all their
multitude, For they bow to vanity and emptiness and pray to a god
which helps not.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Mohammed confesses to 911 was Re: 911 - THE PREVARICATED LIES, MANUFACTURED BY MOSSAD!
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 Our leaders have branched out into comedy. A hapless Muslim, held
prisoner at Guantanamo, who was only able to last between two and two
and a half minutes when subjected to "waterboarding", confesses to
everything ordered by his interrogators. When asked whether anything
he said was as a result of torture, his reply is deleted from the
transcript; when asked again, he says he was not subjected to any
threats, duress or pressure.

The perpetrators of 9/11 must insist that regular office compartment
fires can melt tons of structural steel and partly boil steel members
in a skyscraper that was not even hit by a plane. The crooks must
assert that Islamic fundamentalists are prone to drinking, gambling,
visiting strip bars, and speculating on stock options of companies
involved in airlines, reinsurance, financial services, weapons
manufacturing, etc. The genocidal Mafia that plotted 9/11 must claim
that no one had ever conceived that terrorists might use planes as
guided missiles when in fact this had been widely known for years
since the "Bojinka plot" and in March 2001 the Fox TV network had
aired an X-Files spin-off that involved a US government plot to crash
a hijacked Boeing into the World Trade Center, that "suicide
hijackers" were simultaneously so skilled that they knew how to turn
off an aircraft transponder - but still flunked a chance to fly a
Cessna at a flight school and practised piloting a Boeing 757 or 767
with an Arabic language flight training manual on the way to the
airport, that airport, train and bus video cameras mysteriously fail
whenever Islamic hijackers or bombers are on the job, that it was just
coincidence that Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu's father Benzion was
secretary to Ze'ev "Vladimir" Jabotinsky, who founded the Zionist
terrorist movement that played an important part in the creation of
Israel (e.g. King David hotel bombing, conspiracy to assassinate
British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin), or that Bibi was a unit team
leader in Sayeret Matkal, an elite special forces unit of the Israeli
Defense Force, and just happened to be in New York City in the morning
of 9/11 and in London on the morning of the 7/7 attacks (having
received advance warning), and is a close friend of Larry Silverstein
who, along with Zionist billionaire and "Holocaust survivor" Frank
Lowy, just happened to have taken over the World Trade Center lease
and ensured the Towers were insured for billions of dollars against
terrorist attacks within six weeks of 9/11. And the tin-foil crackpots
hold that it was just a coincidence that Rabbi Dov Zakheim had access
to Boeings and to the very Flight Termination System incorporating a
Command Transmitter that was capable of electronically hijacking a
plane and crashing it into a building, no suicide or Cessna drop-out
pilots required. Another spooky coincidence concerned the massive
Israeli spy-ring that was busted around the time of the attacks, and
the five "dancing Israelis" caught celebrating and filming the burning
Towers, whilst in possession of foreign passports, box cutters, $4,700
cash hidden in a sock, and a van that tested positive for traces of
explosives.

It is sometimes amusing to see the tangled hoops that the Likud party
tries to jump through, claiming that its only wish is for peace, but
it is thwarted by Palestinian "terrorists", "dictatorial Arab
regimes", "Muslim fundamentalism and nazism", etc. When they quote the
Tehran Times' (2002) compilation of evidence that Israel did 9/11, the
Likudniks actually do a pretty good job of proving the Iranians are
very much in touch with reality. As Benjamin Netanyahu wrote in his
book Terrorism: How The West Can Win, "terrorism is simply too
tempting a weapon to be forsaken". That applies equally to those
purporting to be part of a "war on terror".

Those who have lost loved ones in the attacks attempt to believe in
the Zionist-concocted 'reality', but clearly have a hard time
imagining how terrorists could be so lucky and governments so inept.

Suppose there is a middle-aged lady, who has been happily married for
29 years. The first husband dies or disappears, and husband number two
takes out a massive $3+ billion insurance policy on her life. It is
subsequently found that the first husband's removal from the scene is
linked to a friend and business partner of the new husband. A mere six
weeks later, the lady dies in mysterious circumstances in an accident
that would not be fatal unless the laws of physics, chemistry and
biology were revised - e.g., a small piece of cardboard falls on her
head from a height of one foot. Any detective worth their salt should
be suspicious, to say the least.

Bullet wounds to the chest are then discovered, and five assassins -
who are linked to husband #2 and his associates - are arrested after
being found dancing and celebrating with high fives and with traces of
gunpowder on their fingers. "Ah", the skeptics cry, "a human body is
comprised of some highly reactive elements. You have potassium,
sodium, calcium, magnesium, iron, plenty of water, and oxygen in the
air. Moreover, the body is heated to about twenty degrees above
ambient. Isn't it quite possible that some sort of exothermic reaction
occurred, forming the observed bullet holes?" The skeptics then
conclude that the death was due to natural causes, after her head was
hit by a piece of cardboard at 5 mph. Everyone else marks them down as
kooks.

In short, the official 9/11 conspiracy theory - and the criminals'
defense - is based on junk science, junk psychology, junk logic, junk
math, junk history, and junk politics. And for "junk", read "Khazar".



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 The confessed "mastermind" of the 9/11 attacks-"from A to Zed"-Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) has now confessed to scores of other crimes
committed over the past two millennia.

Appearing distraught, head bloody and bowed, wearing the same t-shirt
he has worn since his capture in Pakistan four years ago, with
disgusting back and body hair even more unkempt than before, KSM's new
confessions have come fast and furious during a special hearing to
determine the Sheik's status as an "enemy combatant."

In a shocking revelation, KSM described how, in a previous lifetime,
incarnated in the body of Judas, he betrayed Jesus with a kiss on the
cheek in the Garden of Gethsemane. "I knew what I was doing," the
Sheikh admitted. "You think I did it for 30 pieces of silver?" he spat
contemptuously. "I knew what would happen. I had bigger objectives!"

Skipping through time, and rambling, the Sheikh admitted being Jack
the Ripper in the 19th Century. "I got carried away," he said
sheepishly. "I really like women, and afterwards I felt sorry about
it, and tried to stop. But it was like Al Pacino said in that bad
Godfather movie: Everytime I tried to get out of it, they kept pulling
me back!" (Here the Sheikh rendered a rather poor imitation of Mr.
Pacino.)

Apparently appealing for sympathy, this beastly, bristling-with-body
hair- creature adduced similar rationales for his crimes as Adolf
Hitler. "What I really wanted was an alliance with Britain to stop
Stalin in Russia," he whimpered in court. "When the Brits didn't come
in to stop me in Spain, I figured they'd join with me after I invaded
Poland. Jeez! They really tricked me!"

While the Sheikh admitted to Hitler's crimes, he stopped short of
admitting to Stalin's. "Even I couldn't be in two places at the same
time," he murmured wistfully.

Lest we mistake that muffled voice for contrition, the Sheikh proudly
admitted to "dabbling" in Black Magic. He claims he was able to
inhabit the body of Jeffrey Dahmer and drive him crazy with Christmas
jingles playing ad nauseum in the poor man's head. "They start in
November!" the Sheik interjected. "How many times can you hear Jingle
Bells and Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer without going bonkers?"
Dahmer's only recourse, explained KSM, was cannibalism. KSM described
it as "an experiment that needed a little fine-tuning."

The Sheikh said he got the fine-tuning right when he got into Britney
Spears' head and forced her to shave her scalp! "It was easy," he
said. "Once I was in between the ears, there was nothing to distract
me. There was no there there!" he said, quoting Gertrude Stein.

On the other hand, KSM refused to acknowledge paternity in the case of
Anna Nicole Smith's baby. "Who can say?" he shrugged. "There were so
many ..."

When one cantankerous reporter-not from Faux news!-pointed out that
the Sheik no longer had any fingernails-merely bloody wicket-stumps at
the end of his knuckles-KSM denied that torture had anything to do
with his latest confessions.

"Of course they tortured me!" he exclaimed. "Even the US government
has conceded they used water-boarding on me!" When this same reporter-
a no-good, lanky, dark foreigner who was undoubtedly an Islamofascist-
pressed KSM on the issue of torture and his credibility, the Sheikh
began to weep and beat his disgusting, hairy chest. "Where is the
place of understanding," he cried. "Where is wisdom to be found?"



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Subject: Re: Excerpts from Jewish prayers
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On Mar 18, 11:42 pm, "chatnoir"  wrote:
> On Mar 18, 8:25 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 18, 4:14 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
>
> > > It is our duty to praise the Master of all, to exalt the Creator of
> > > the Universe, who has not made us like the nations of the world and
> > > has not placed us like the families of the earth; who has not designed
> > > our destiny to be like theirs, nor our lot like that of all their
> > > multitude, For they bow to vanity and emptiness and pray to a god
> > > which helps not.
>
> > Sounds like a 'chosen people=AE' prayer.
>
> > Mirelle
>
> Then its Gin time!:
>
> http://www.ginandjews.com/

And they said that Adolf Hitler was mad!



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 Rachel Corrie fought the fascist Israeli thugs to save the kids, that
was her job. She was unselfish, humane, and kind, that was her
religion.



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Subject: ZIONISM IS FASCISM, TERRORISM AND SAVAGERY
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 March 19, 2007

First it is necessary to define three key words in reference to this
article.

1)                          Colonialism: "A policy by which a nation
maintains or extends its control over foreign dependencies..." "Control
by one power over a dependent area or people. The purpose of
colonialism include exploitation of the colony's natural resources,
creation of new markets by the colonizer, and extension of the
colonizer's way of life beyond its national
borders." [1]

2)                          State: "A territory built by conquest in
which culture, one set of ideals and one set of laws have been imposed
by force or threat over diverse nations by a civilian and military
bureaucracy. States are ephemeral and originate and disappear with the
stroke of a pen." [2]

3)                          Nation: "The term nation is often used as
a synonym for ethnic group (sometimes "ethnos"), but although
ethnicity is now one of the most important aspects of culture or
social identity for the members of most nations, people with the same
ethnic origins may live in  different nation-states and be treated as
members of a separate nation for that reason. National identity is
often disputed, down to the level of the individual." [3]

Please review the following two websites before continuing

1)                  http://www.thercg.org/articles/patp.hmtl,
"Palestine and the Palestinians."

2)                  http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html,
"History of Israel and 'Palestine'."

Let us now reexamine history with many of the facts "overlooked "by
these two articles. Also to explore the contradictions that not only
exist within these articles but showing they are historically tainted.

Hovevei Zion ( Hibbat Zion), English translation, "Those who are Fond
of Zion." This group was established in the early 1800's to promote
immigration

(colonization) of the "Land of Israel." Let us remember the Ottoman
Empire was in control of what is currently referred to as the Middle
East.  In 1882 they established the first colony within the borders of
the Ottoman Empire, Rishon LeZion. In 1884, Rabbi Samuel Mohilever was
elected president of Hovevei Zion by 34 delegates.

The nature of Hovevei Zion was economic.  Its purpose was to gain
economic  aide wherever possible to support Jewish migration.

In 1890, "The Odessa Committee" was formed as a result of the May Laws
introduced by Tsar Alexander III of Russia.  In 1890 and 1891 it
helped to establish Rehovot and Hadeea as colonial agricultural
communities within the Ottoman Empire.

In 1896, Theodor Herzl, published his infamous work "Der Judenstaat",
in Berlin and Vienna.  It sought to find an independent Jewish state
for refugees (colonist) to avoid the growing anti-Semitic movement in
Europe.  He goes so far as to suggest the state of Argentina as a
possible location.

He was and is strongly attacked by Zionist for searching for non-
Palestinian settlements. He is however given credit for creating the
political term Zionism.

The term Zionism derives its name from Mt Zion, a symbol of the Jewish
homeland in Palestine since the captivity by Babylon in the 6th
century BC.

In 1897the First Zionist Congress was held to unify the separate
European Zionist factions. This was the first world attention brought
to the Jewish Community problems in Europe, not Israel.

It would thus seem possible to conclude that the Ten Tribes of Israel
never got lost.  They emigrated from the land and became citizens of
the various states we now call Europe. It is most important to realize
they assimilated to and became citizens of these countries.

All factions of current day Zionism exist to maintain, at any cost,
the colony of Israel. For if the first article is correct God created
Israel not man.  The  belief that God created Israel or made George
Bush president goes against all political theories the formation of
nations, states and governments.

The Declaration of the Establishment of the State (colony) of Israel
took place on May 14, 1948.  It opens in Hebrew-["Eretz-Israel"-"The
land of Israel Palestine."] This statement alone totally invalidates
the article "Palestine and the Palestinian". For in its opening remark
the Declaration recognizes Palestine.

"Here they (Israel) first attained statehood, created cultural values
of national and universal significance and gave to the world the
eternal Book of Books". [4]

Here we see people not God creating the (colony) State of Israel,
further disproving "Palestine and the Palestinian."

"In the year 5657 (1897) at the summons of the spiritual father of the
Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the first Zionist Congress convened and
proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its
own country.' [5]

Let us not forget, Herzl, in his work "Der Judenstaat", went as far as
Argentina for the establishment of this new state. So if we apply this
to the above statement the national rebirth could have been in
Argentina instead of the Middle East.

"This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of Nov. 2, 1917
and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in
particular, gave international sanctions to the historic connection
between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the
Jewish people to rebuild its homeland."[6]

What we can conclude from the last 2 quotes of the Declaration is that
the Zionist are the spokespeople of the Jewish community.

"The State of Israel, will be open for Jewish immigration... it will
foster the development of the country for the benefits of all of its
inhabitants: it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as
envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete equality
of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of
religion, race or sex: it will guarantee freedom of religion,
conscience, language, education and culture: it will safeguard Holy
Places of all religions: it will be faithful to the principals of the
Charter of the United Nations." [7]

Let us examine this portion of the Declaration. "...it will foster the
development of the country for the benefit of ALL its inhabitants... as
envisaged by the prophets of Israel." By enhancing development based
on the prophets of Israel the Declaration automatically excludes any
other influences in development (i.e. the Muslim nature of the
Palestinians).  To say it another way Israel will be developed on
Israeli terms.

" We appeal-in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now
for months-to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve
peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of
full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its
provincial and permanent institutions.....

The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for
the advancement of the entire Middle East."[8]

In the latter part of this article it will be shown how Israel has
violated its Declaration of
State.
The most interesting factor for the US recognition of the State of
Israel plays out to the present day.

1948 was an election year and Truman was locked in a tight race with
Dewey. Clark Clifford, chief advisor to Truman, pushed for him to
support the UN recognition of the State of Israel. You may be
wondering why?  The answer lies in the knowledge that the Jewish vote
in America was far superior in number to that of the Palestinians. As
power always dictate, gather the pieces that will give you the power.
Truman opted for the Jewish vote to gain the White House.

For the record, Secretary of State, George Marshall was opposed to
this train of political thought by foreseeing the complications
involved with the creation of the State of Israel. Thus with blessings
of Truman and the United Nations, The State of Israel was born.

>From the Jewish Virtual Library I would like to cite certain articles
of "THE ORIGINAL PALESTINE NATIONAL CHARTER."

Article 2. Palestine with its boundaries at the time of the British
Mandate is a regional indivisible unit.

Article 6. The Palestinians are those Arab citizens who were living
normally up to 1947, whether they remained or were expelled.

Article 15. The liberation of Palestine, from a spiritual point of
view, prepares for the Holy Land, an atmosphere of tranquility and
peace, in which all the Holy Places will be safeguarded, and the free
worship and visit to all will be guaranteed, without any
discrimination of race, colour, tongue or religion.  For all this, the
Palestinian people look forward to the support of all spiritual forces
in the world.

Article 18. The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate system and all that
has been based upon them are considered fraud... Judaism because it is a
divine religion is not a nationality with independent existence.
Further more the Jews are not one people with an independent
personality because they are citizens of the countries to which they
belong.

Article 22. The people of Palestine believe in a peaceful coexistence
on the basis of legal existence for there can be no coexistence with
aggression, nor can there be peace with occupation and colonialism.
[10]

>From Wikipedia:

         "A Declaration of a 'State of Palestine' was proclaimed in
Algiers on Nov. 15, 1988 by the Palestinian National Council, the
legislative body of the PLO.  The declared 'State of Palestine' is not
and never has been an independent state, as it has never had
sovereignty over any territory."[11]

Many argue the right for Palestine to exist as a State is legitimate.
They base   their arguments on the following:

"1) the people   Palestine are a permanent population as their
families inhabited Palestine long before the State of Israel was
created.

2) that the territorial boundaries of Palestine have been defined in
several different ways ranging from declarations to legally binding UN
Security Council resolutions such as UNSCR 242.

3) that the PNA is the government of Palestine and is recognized as
such by more than half the countries of the world.

4) that the Palestinian's ability to enter into foreign relations with
other states is evidenced by its having done so with more than half
the world."[12]

The UN's recognition of the colonial movement of the Zionist into a
state by nature created problems the world still chooses to ignore.
The Palestinian becomes a refugee from his own country.  According to
the UN the Jewish people were to be the ruling body in the state of
Israel yet they represented only one half of the population and owned
less than 10% of the land.  The Zionist had claimed a great victory at
the expense of the Palestinians.  However the Zionists were not happy
and to this day remain so.

In 1948 Menachem Begin claimed the partition was unacceptable.
Jerusalem was to be the state capitol and all the land would be
restored to the people of Israel forever.

In 1948 approximately 700,000 Palestinians fled as a result of
"conflict" between the Arab states and Israel.  Most of the conflict
was fought in the Palestine state.  Israeli propaganda said the
Palestinians who fled was a "self inspired exodus."

In 1948 the UN partitioned the land of Palestine and created the state
of Israel. Why then did it not create the state of Palestine at the
same time? As a result of the 1948 conflict Israel occupied much of
the partitioned land of Palestine. So in the same year of its creation
the Zionists moved to accomplish their fundamental mission.  To
ethnically cleanse the nation they understood to be Israel of ALL
Palestinians.

In 1949 after failing the Palestinians in 1948 the UN acted.  It
created the United Nations Relief and Works Administration, UNRWA.  To
this day this organization is still bringing relief to a deteriorating
Palestine condition.

The War of '67 made conditions for the Palestinians worse.  Israel
maintained possession of all territories it occupied. As a result of
this war:

"Israel confiscated 52% of the land of the West Bank and 30% of the
Gaza Strip for use by the military or for settlement of Jewish
civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israeli's military government demolished
more than 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank.  Over this period,
more than 300,000 Palestinians were detained without trial for various
periods by Israeli security forces."[13]

Even though these actions violated Article 49 of the Geneva Convention
which states, "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts
of its own civilian population into territories it occupies", the
World stood by and did nothing.

         For further information on the Israeli Defense Force (IDF)
use of home demolition as a means of creating a greater number of
Palestinian refugees go to http://www.endtheoccupation.org and
research an article titled "The Caterpillar Campaign.

         Israel does not have a Constitution because by its nature it
cannot.  All of the acts that have taken place, past, present and
future will continue to take place as the world chooses to ignore it.
As for the Palestinians these acts should be deemed unconstitutional
and null and void.

         Since 1948, the Israeli government has proven it does not
want peace for the territory; instead it wants the expulsion of all
Palestinians from what it defines as Israel at all costs.  Israel
wants peace on its terms and its terms alone.  Isn't ironic that this
attitude is the same attitude displayed by Hitler's treatment of the
Jewish population in Nazi Germany?

To help justify this point even further consider this.  Up to the year
1993 Israel has openly ignored 66 UN Resolutions concerning the
Palestinian refugee problem.  The US vetoed an additional 26
resolutions at the Security Council level or the number would have
been 95.

>From this it should be clear that the government of Israel has
violated it s Declaration of Statehood since its inception.  It seems
only once Israel has completely removed the Palestinians from what it
chooses to call Israel will there be peace.

I don't believe the average Jew is anti-Palestinian nor the average
Palestinian anti-Jew.  I do believe Zionism is a different word for
terrorism and has been part of the Israeli government since 1948

Please review the following sites/articles:

On the state of the Palestinians

1)      "This Damned Racist Wall" http://www.palestinereport.org/article.php?article=398

2)      "Behind The Wall- We Won't Accept No Thought Control"
http://by139fd.bay139.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg?msg=

7AFDFD2D-642C-4588-A1

  On the Humanitarian Conditions of the Palestinians

1)      UNRWA Geneva Conference 2004

"Meeting the Humanitarian Needs of the Palestine Refugees in the Near
East" Working Group III

"Promoting the Socio-Economic Development of the Palestine Refugees"
11 May 2004

2)      "Situation of Palestine Refugees"
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/gaspd359.doc.htm

3)      "UNRWA Emergency Appeal 2007"
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/EEVOD-6WLKHY?OpenDocument

4)      "DOHA Seminar on Assistance to Palestine People"
http://domino.un.org/unispal.NSF/eed21640b650bf64852

56ce10072f637/0b188c3cbd32393

On Possible Political Solutions

1)      "UN Palestine Refugee Agency Chief Says Deplorable
Conditions         Needs a Political Solution" http://www.relief.int/rw/RWB.NSF/DB900SID/LZEG-

6V6REJ?OpenDocument

2)      "Israelis and Palestinians Should Ponder land for refugees"
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?addition_id=10&

categ_9=5&article_id=80056

3)      "Palestinian Factions Delay Submitting Cabinet List"
http://www.alertnet.org/printable.htm?URL/thenews/

newsdesk/L02198472.htm

            On The US

1)      "Dems Disdain for Palestine" http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/02/20/dems

_disdain_for_palestine.php

2)      From: "Agence France Presse(AFP)" via "Lebanon's Daily Star":
"A delegation headed by the Bank of Israel chief Stanley Fischer left
Tel Aviv overnight for Washington to negotiate a new Deal to fix the
amount of annual military aide from the US for Israel for the next
decade.  Israeli officials are also hoping for extra aide to
compensate for the cost of last summer's 34 day Lebanon war and the
withdrawal from Gaza in August-September 2005."  This claim was made
by Miri Ersin to the AFP.

One final note, to prove there is no "Z" in Jewish read "The Origins
of the Palestine/Israel Conflict." It was compiled, edited and
published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

Bibliography

1.      http://www.answers.com/topic/colonialism

2.      http://www.cwis.org/state.html

3.      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

4.      http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+

Process/Guide+two+the+Peace+

Process/Declaration+of+



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: Excerpts from Jewish prayers
Date: 19 Mar 2007 06:17:35 -0700
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On Mar 19, 1:07 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a 'chosen people=AE' prayer.
>
> > Mirelle
>
> What do you call Christian tractates that say unless people convert to
> Christianity they will not be saved Mirelle?
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

jUST HOW ILLITERATE CAN YOU GET?  That is the Bible that Jews also
believe in.
However, Christians believe that unless they convert the Jews to
Christianity, they will sit around and watch Jews burn in the fires of
Armageddon.

Ever wonder why tens of thousands of Americans, every year convert to
Islam?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 18, 10:25 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
> On Mar 18, 4:14 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
>
> > It is our duty to praise the Master of all, to exalt the Creator of
> > the Universe, who has not made us like the nations of the world and
> > has not placed us like the families of the earth; who has not designed
> > our destiny to be like theirs, nor our lot like that of all their
> > multitude, For they bow to vanity and emptiness and pray to a god
> > which helps not.
>
> Sounds like a 'chosen people=AE' prayer.
>
> Mirelle

Not only "chosen" but also superior to everyone else!



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 America Calls For Foreign Mercenaries As War Enters 5th Year

America Calls For Foreign Mercenaries As War Enters 5th Year

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

March 17, 2007

As the United States war against the Muslim peoples of the World
enters its 5th year this weekend, and as the American Defense Chief,
Robert Gates, warns his countrymen that they will be involved in war
for 'decades to come', the vast American war machine has now turned to
Foreign Mercenaries to fill its vastly undermanned ranks.

For many years the warning calls have been sounded that the US
Military has reached it's 'breaking point', and as we can read as
reported by the BBC News Service:

"The US military has become dangerously overstretched because of the
scale of its operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, two reports have
warned. One, by former officials in the Clinton administration, said
the pressure of repeated deployments was very corrosive and could have
long-term effects."

Even more troubling for the Americans, according to one of their
Military Historians and senior fellow of the National Security Studies
group at the Council on Foreign Relations, Max Boot, is that their
soldiers are now 'losing the will to fight', and as he states:

"Our (US) will is perhaps [at] the point of breaking in Iraq, whereas
the enemy is willing to suffer much heavier casualties and keep on
fighting. Clearly, the will to win is a major aspect of it."

Further evidence of the deterioration of the once powerful US Military
into a ruthless barbaric fighting force has emerged from many human
rights groups around the World, including Human Rights Watch, and who
have reported:

 "The United States has a flagrant record of violating the Geneva
Convention in systematically abusing prisoners during the Iraqi War
and the War in Afghanistan, says the Human Rights Record of the United
States in 2006 issued on Thursday.

A report released in News Night of British Broadcasting Corporation
(BBC), originally provided by the U.S.-based Human Rights First,
showed that since August 2002, 98 prisoners had died in American-run
prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Among the dead, 34 died of premeditated murder, 11 deaths were
suspicious, and 8 to 12 were tortured to death, according to an AFP
report on Feb. 21, 2006.

A Human Rights Watch report in July 2006 said torture and other abuses
against detainees in U.S. custody in Iraq were authorized and routine.

Detainees were routinely subject to severe beating, painful stress
positions, severe sleep deprivation, and exposure to extreme cold and
hot temperatures. Soldiers were told that many abusive techniques were
authorized by the military chain of command and Geneva Conventions did
not apply to the detainees at their facility.

Detainees at Camp Nama, a U.S. detention center at the Baghdad
airport- in violation of international law- not registered with the
International Committee of the Red Cross, were regularly stripped
naked and subject to beatings.

Some detainees were used for target practice. In May 2006 human rights
group Amnesty International condemned the detention of some 14,000
prisoners in Iraq without charge or trial."

The depravity of their ever expanding World War are, likewise, taking
a heavy toll among the soldiers of the American War Machine, and as we
can read as reported by the PFS News Service in their article titled
"Horrors of the War on Terror Make US Soldiers Go Insane", and which
says:

"A new study published by the Archives of Internal Medicine shows that
mental health disorders or psychosocial ills have hit a third of the
US soldiers that have returned from Afghanistan or Iraq.

The study from the Archives of Internal Medicine shows that a third of
all US soldiers returning from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq have
received treatments from the Veterans Affairs between 2001 and 2005
for mental illnesses or other psychosocial disorders.

Published on March 12, the study showed Veterans of Operations
Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom (OEF/OIF) have endured high combat
stress and are eligible for 2 years of free military service-related
health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) health
care system. The research was conducted by scientists from the
University of California, San Francisco and the San Francisco VA
Medical Center on 103 788 US veterans returning from Iraq and
Afghanistan, which were seen at the Department of Veterans Affairs
facilities."

The American War Leaders, and in an effort to bolster their flagging
War Machine, have now taken to recruiting tens of thousands of Foreign
Mercenaries with offers of US Citizenship in exchange for war duty,
and as we can read about in this report:

 "Born in Evora, Portugal, Lopes enlisted in the U.S. Marines as a
Portuguese citizen, earning the nickname Euroguy in his platoon's
radio transmissions when he served in Iraq as a lance corporal two
years ago. This week, 23 years after his family brought him as baby to
Rhode Island, Lopes finally took the naturalization oath, taking
advantage of laws that speed up the citizenship process for military
personnel.

Lopes, 25, is one of about 69,000 foreign-born people in the military.
About 40,000 of them are not citizens. With the armed forces straining
to recruit and retain troops to fight wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,
non-citizens make up a small but essential pool of potential soldiers,
government officials and experts said.

A 2005 study by the Center for Naval Analysis found that non-citizens
are less likely to drop out of the military shortly after enlisting
than citizens are and that they are significantly less likely to drop
out after three years.

For non-citizens, joining the military offers significant incentives.
Under an executive order signed by President Bush shortly after the
2001 attacks, anyone with one day of active-duty military service is
eligible for citizenship."

To the severe, and long-term, implications of an army filled with
Foreign Mercenaries the American people themselves have been left out
of these decisions by their War Leaders.

But, to the effects upon the American people when these Foreign
Mercenaries are turned loose in the United States, to uphold laws they
know nothing about, to support a Nation they in fact despise, only
then will the full, and horrific, implications of the recruitment, and
use, of Foreign Mercenaries be fully felt.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index993.htm




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Alex=idiot was Re: RACIST WEST IGNORES A MILLION SLAUGHTERED IRAQIS
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On Mar 19, 11:23 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > Not content with 1.5 billion excess deaths in British-ruled India over
> > 2 centuries,
>
> Alex do you ever read this shit. 1.5 billion!!!!!!!!!!

I DO AND IT IS IS NOT  SHIT1 IT IS A MILLION DEAD IRAQIS WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT, RAPED, TORTURED, HAVING FLOURESCENT TUBES STUCK UP
THEIR ARSE, ROBBED AND FINALLY EXECUTED. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT DONE TO
YOU?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 19, 11:21 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > 2)                          State: "A territory built by conquest in
> > which culture, one set of ideals and one set of laws have been imposed
> > by force or threat over diverse nations by a civilian and military
> > bureaucracy. States are ephemeral and originate and disappear with the
> > stroke of a pen." [2]
>
> This is what is happening today. Non Muslims are being driven out of
> regions that they lived look at Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq, Egypt and
> Indonesia?

REALLY? YOU ARE SO KNOWLEDGABLE! NOW TELL ME WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
OCCUPIED PALESTINE?




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On Mar 19, 11:21 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > 2)                          State: "A territory built by conquest in
> > which culture, one set of ideals and one set of laws have been imposed
> > by force or threat over diverse nations by a civilian and military
> > bureaucracy. States are ephemeral and originate and disappear with the
> > stroke of a pen." [2]
>
> This is what is happening today. Non Muslims are being driven out of
> regions that they lived look at Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq, Egypt and
> Indonesia?

Maybe there would be no war anywhere if we drove the Jews into the
sea!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JUNK POLITICS, JUNK SCIENCE, JUNK MATH, JUNK LOGIC, THAT IS OUR ZIONAZI DOMINATED GOVERNMENT
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 OH, WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOPUT KHALED SHEIKH MOHAMMED REVEALING THE
EXISTENCE OF AL QAEDA AND ALL THESE HORRIFIC CRIMES, HE HIMSELF
COMITTED!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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SHAKE MOHAMMED

Rockin' rollin', rattlin', mov'in, shakin'

incredible breath-taking, belief-defying mastermind,

the one and only Perpetrator, Mother of All Crimes,

'tis I, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,

the most powerful superman of all mankind,

able to crush tall buildings with a single plane

faster than the FAA and NORAD,

more powerful than the US Air Force, able to pulverize tall buildings
with a single plane

and another one with no plane at all.

Look, to the skies!

My jet fuel burns at 2770 degrees and more,

cuts steel like thermite into truck-bed lengths

for easy transport to China, a federal offense,

after defying the laws of physics,

collapsing hundred-story buildings at free-fall speed

into their own footprints, vaporizing everything,

except my main man Mohammed's passport.

Nothing beside remains.

At the Pentagon, the best-defended building on the planet,

my man Hani Hanjour, cleverly disguised as an incompetent,

who according to his flight instructor couldn't fly a Cessna 172,

pulled a 757 through a 270=B0 spiral turn at 400 mph to hit the Pentagon
precisely

where Donald Rumsfeld wasn't, but where the ONI was

and the records of the 1.3 trillion dollars were

that Rumsfeld had said the day before were "missing."

Then I had 100 tons of airplane vaporized inside the building,

leaving the lawn outside pristine, the windows on the second floor

unbroken, and a neat little 12-foot hole for whatever

punched through six walls and then also vaporized.

You see my jet fuel gets so damn hot it vaporizes steel

but not humans, which is why the military could identify

184 victims, but not the plane.

Rummy said it was a missile, but this was just a slip.

Finally, in Shanksville, my plane disappeared into thin earth,

leaving just a smoking hole.

No one can match these feats.

I did it all. I have defeated you.

Sure, to get me to confess they put me on the rack.

But look at what I did to you, and your red white and blue.

You will never get your country back.

I gave you the man of the new century, Big Brother,

the oldest burning bush, conqueror of nations, first the US,

then Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran still to come,

Hegemond of Oilland, Destroyer of constitutions,

habeas corpus, peace and freedom,

Maker of concentration camps, military trials with torture,

preemptive warfare, CIA renditions,

Total Information Awareness and an 8.6 trillion dollar debt,

Filler of body bags, Commander-in-chief extraordinaire,

never having been to Vietnam but AWOL in Alabam

and a VP never adorned with a US uniform.

With such enemies, who needs friends?

I kept your President in a children's classroom

listening to a goat's story, the Secret Service petrified

for 30 minutes and failing to order air cover

while the FAA and NORAD continued fumbling

and I with boxcutters and a few good men

on the 9/11 Commission to get the story straight

and keep me out of it, along with Building 7

and most of the rest of what I'm telling you,

destroyed you. My genius is boundless.

I kept my boys' names off the flight manifests.

I killed three thousand people in one day.

I got the gold out of the basement, put the puts and called the calls,

told Giuliani the Towers were gonna fall,

and two people at Odigo.

I gave Mohammed Atta a hundred thousand dollars

via the head of Pakistan intelligence

who met with CIA the week preceding 9/11,

told Attorney-General Ashcroft not to fly

Willie Brown of San Francisco not to fly

Larry Silverstein to say he'd "pull it,"

the FBI to ignore their field agents

who had learned about my plans,

the Commission to ignore most everything,

like the president's brother Marvin and cousin Wirt

being in charge of WTC security,

and lie about the rest,

like calling 47 massive steel Tower cores

"hollow steel shafts."

I told the BBC to say Building 7 had collapsed

23 minutes before it happened.

All of this just to create confusion

and encourage outrageous conspiracy theories,

which now you don't need anymore, because I am the man.

I am the most powerful person in the universe.

The first to bring steel-framed buildings down by fire.

The first to defeat the US Air Defense Command.

The first to destroy American democracy.

I am Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Sheikh of Sheikhs.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:51 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: RACIST WEST IGNORES A MILLION SLAUGHTERED IRAQIS
Date: 19 Mar 2007 20:26:38 -0700
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On Mar 19, 8:39 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> RACIST ARAB COUNTRIES IGNORE DARFUR AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS OF TIN
> POT AFRICAN DICTATORS, BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENTS ARE SIMILAR TO THEIR OWN.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

GEE THAT IS SO CLEVER, HOWEVER IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATTACKING
ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SLAUGHTERING A MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE NEEDLESSLY



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:13:51 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: DUBYA HELPED TRAITOR TO GET REELECTED!
Date: 19 Mar 2007 20:27:42 -0700
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On Mar 19, 11:14 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
>         Vinny is unable to cope with the fact that the electorate
>         woke up last November took a good hard look at Ned Lamont
>         and said WTFWWT?
>
>         IBM

HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE A JEWISH TRAITOR LEAD US TO SLAUGHTER!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: DUBYA HELPED TRAITOR TO GET REELECTED!
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On Mar 20, 12:26 am, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Mar 19, 9:27 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 19, 11:14 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
>
> > >         Vinny is unable to cope with the fact that the electorate
> > >         woke up last November took a good hard look at Ned Lamont
> > >         and said WTFWWT?
>
> > >         IBM
>
> > HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE A JEWISH TRAITOR LEAD US TO SLAUGHTER!
>
> I do wish I had had an opportunity to vote against him.

Me too!Z But we can all urge our Senators to never cooperate with
traitors!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: New Palestinian high school textbooks.
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On Mar 20, 1:45 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  Last update - 00:14 20/03/2007
>
> New Palestinian high-school textbooks reject existence of Israel, peace

Surprised? Not the most of the world! They do not know where Israel
begins or ends



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: Cazador's position in a nutshell. For American's here on scj and sci
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On Mar 19, 6:59 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> ....and what do your comments have to do with the price of oranges?
> 600,000 Muslims have also died. Your idea that it has cost the US and their
> allies @ 3000 deaths is more meaningful?
> Are you suggesting that 600,000 Muslim deaths are acceptable to justify a
> 200 to 1 kill ratio?
>
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW ADOLF HITLER JUSTIFIRD THE SLAUGHTER CAUSED BY
EINSATZGRUPPEN IN EASTERN EUROPE.YOU JEWS ARE FAR CLOSER TO ADOLF
HITLER THAN YOU ARE TO ANY CIVILIZED NATION



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: New Palestinian high school textbooks.
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On Mar 20, 1:45 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  Last update - 00:14 20/03/2007
>
> New Palestinian high-school textbooks reject existence of Israel, peace

You would like to have them dumbed down like USA keeps its citizens
dumbed down?


Study Finds One-Third in D.C. Illiterate
Mar 19 11:50 AM US/Eastern


WASHINGTON (AP) - About one-third of the people living in the
national's capital are functionally illiterate, compared with about
one-fifth nationally, according to a report on the District of
Columbia.

Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble
doing such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and
filling out job applications.

The study by the State Education Agency, a quasi-governmental office
created by the U.S. Department of Education to distribute federal
funds for literacy services, was ordered by Mayor Anthony A. Williams
in 2003 as part of his four-year, $4 million adult literacy
initiative.

The growing number of Hispanic and Ethiopian immigrants who aren't
proficient in English contributed to the city's high functional
illiteracy level, which translated to 170,000 people, said Connie
Spinner, director of the State Education Agency. The report says the
district's functional illiteracy rate is 36 percent and the nation's
21 percent.

Adults age 65 and older had the lowest literacy score of any group,
the report found.

The District of Columbia Chamber of Commerce, which contributed to the
report, said the city lost up to $107 million in taxes annually
between 2000 and 2005 because of a lack of qualified job applicants.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Dachau, 20 March 1933
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On Mar 20, 9:00 am, "Ariadne"  wrote:
> Today wired.com commemorates this technological
> "advance" with a bland piece from The Holocaust Encyclopaedia.
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72940-0.html?tw=wn_technology_4
>
> I hope people will see what Dachau actually was at:
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

WHAT DOES DACHAU HAVE TO DO WITH THE JEWS YOU STUPIFD DOG?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 20, 7:58 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1174380970.735846.246...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Study Finds One-Third in D.C. Illiterate
> > Mar 19 11:50 AM US/Eastern
>
> > WASHINGTON (AP) - About one-third of the people living in the
> > national's capital are functionally illiterate, compared with about
> > one-fifth nationally, according to a report on the District of
> > Columbia.
>
> > Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble
> > doing such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and
> > filling out job applications.
>
> > The study by the State Education Agency, a quasi-governmental office
> > created by the U.S. Department of Education to distribute federal
> > funds for literacy services, was ordered by Mayor Anthony A. Williams
> > in 2003 as part of his four-year, $4 million adult literacy initiative.
>
> It is not so easy to get into the military now days. They are very
> selective. I doubt that many soldiers are illiterate.
>
 I WONDER HOW THE FOUR ANIMALS WHO RAPED ABEER HAMZA, 14 YEARS OLD,
AND BURNED HER ALIVE WITH HER PARENTS, MANAGED TO JOIN THE TORTURE
FORCE OF USA?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 BONDAGE TO ISRAEL

March 19, 2007

Like all patriotic Americans, I spend a portion of each weekend
browsing through the "official" web sites of the Presidential
candidates preparing myself for the 2008 run off between Republicans
and Democrats, Republicrats for short. I now aggregate all of them
because all pay homage, indeed a groveling obsequiousness, to AIPAC
and to the Olmert/Leiberman regime in Israel. Such fawning is born of
fear, as former congressmen Paul Findley, Cynthia McKinney and Earl
Hilliard can testify, fear that comes with crossing a powerful force,
a force that can threaten the candidate's standing in the polls. Yossi
Beilin, former Labor Party Minister under Ehud Barak recognized this
force: "They (AIPAC) have the threat of voting out (congressional)
representatives. I never liked this leverage. It's counterproductive."

Yet it's clear that the American Congress' unrestrained support for
the Sharon/Olmert regimes over the past six years, coupled to the Bush
administration's total capitulation to Israel's dominance in
Palestine, has created an untenable situation for America in the eyes
of the world. America's bondage to Israel is the overriding issue that
can release America from its position as the target for the world's
hatred, yet all candidates but two grovel before AIPAC and the Olmert/
Leiberman regime.

Why is bondage to Israel a concern? Because those who attack America,
including Bin Laden, have told Americans that it is a concern; because
our 9/11 Commission told us in Without Precedent that the dominant
reason given to them for actions against America was our absolute and
continued support for Israel; because Maershimer and Walt, in their
report on AIPAC influence in our congress, presented to America an
inventory of evidence that establishes America's allegiance to Israel
and the consequences of such allegiance; because Haaretz, the leading
Israeli newspaper, has admonished Israelis and Americans that the
perception in the Arab world and in the EU of America's total
commitment to Israel is unwise and will erupt in a blowback against
Israel itself; because virtually every nation in the world understands
what Americans cannot seem to digest, that support for a country that
has systematically persecuted another people without letup for 60
years, has made America a pariah nation subject to the frustration,
anger, and outright hatred of those who condemn the injustice
inflicted on the Palestinians.

Why continue such unrestrained bondage to Israel? Why indeed. Why
shackle America to a nation that has defied UN resolutions year after
year (over 160 UNGA and 60 UNSC) since 1948 that calls for it to act
humanely to the Palestinians, to return stolen land to the
Palestinians, to recognize international law and the right to return
of refugees driven from their homes? Why shackle America to a country
that defies international law by occupying the land of other nations
and peoples? Why shackle America to a nation that refuses to sign a
mid-east nuclear non-proliferation agreement, develops its own arsenal
of nuclear bombs (estimated at 200-400), then, with all brazen
chutzpah, condemns its neighbor for developing such a weapon? Why
shackle America to a nation that cries before the world its right to
defend itself when it refuses to negotiate with its neighbors the
borders of its own state as it occupies land belonging to others, then
condemns the Palestinians for refusing to recognize what it has yet to
declare publicly, where Israel begins and ends?

Why shackle America to a state that constructs a Wall that imprisons
another people, using their land and stealing their water and farm
land in the process, a Wall not unlike the Berlin Wall that America
found so repulsive, a Wall that has been condemned by the
International Court of Justice as inhumane and illegal? Why shackle
America to a state that imprisons 10,000 people without charge and
tortures many without regard or adherence to international law or the
Geneva Conventions? Why shackle America to a state that contains in
its government a vowed racist, Avigdor Leiberman, who leads his party
and now the state to ethnically cleanse the indigenous population by
transfer or slow starvation? Why shackle America to a nation that
accepts as normal behavior the assassination of individuals on the say
so of the Prime Minister or his subordinates denying them the rights
provided by law in a civilized society, the right to be charged, to
confront the evidence and/or the accuser, and trial by peers? Why
shackle America to a state that determines for itself that the will of
the people whom they oppress by occupation cannot democratically elect
those who would govern them, deny the right of the government to
exist, and then steal the tax funds that belong to that government?
Why shackle America to the tax burden required to provide this state
with 3 to 5 billion dollars per year for military and infrastructure
development when it uses these tax dollars to construct illegal
housing for immigrants to that nation, to build apartheid roads over
stolen land, and to construct the heinous Wall that entombs the
Palestinians?

Why indeed. Yet with only two exceptions, all candidates running for
president in 2008 have obsequiously crawled before AIPAC to declare
his or her unqualified allegiance to the Israeli state thus negating
before they could take office the chance to bring peace to the mid-
east. Anyone paying attention for the past twenty years or more
understands that Israel alone can bring peace to Palestine, and Israel
does not want peace as long as it believes it can continue to create
conditions on the ground that confiscate more and more Palestinian
land (read Jeff Halper's "Matrix of Control" or Why Israel won't Make
Peace"). Why, then, should our candidates fall on their knees fawning
before AIPAC and Olmert? Consider this observation by the editors of
Haaretz:

    "The conclusion that Israel can draw from the anti-Israel feeling
expressed in the article (Maershimer and Walt article) is that it will
not be immune for eternity. America's unhesitating support for Israel
and its willingness to restrain itself over all of Israel's mistakes
can be interpreted as conflicting with America's essential interests
and are liable to prove burdensome. The fact that Israelis view the
United States support for and tremendous assistance to Israel as
natural causes excess complacence, and it fails to take into account
currents in public opinion that run deep and are liable to completely
change American policy."



If editors at Haaretz understand that America's support can be
detrimental to its interests, why must our candidates grovel before
the far right organization that purports to represent Israel? Why
shouldn't they recognize that other Jewish voices also speak for
Israel, especially those now forming that are meant to counteract
AIPAC's influence? (the "Soros Initiative," and other Jewish
organizations that do not agree with AIPAC's dominance, Israel Policy
Forum, Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace, Religious Action Center
of Reform Judaism, Tikkun Community, Jewish Voice for Peace).

But grovel they must. Each has to outdo the other. Senator Biden
states the Democrats support for Israel "comes from our gut, moves
through our heart, and ends up in our head. It's almost
genetic.' (October 5, 2006). "Israel cannot be expected to negotiate
with a party that calls for its destruction, engages in terrorism and
maintains an armed militia. Hamas must choose: bullets or
ballots." (January 2006). Obviously, Biden's gut response never gets
to his head. How can the Palestinians negotiate with Israel when its
government does not recognize the right of Palestinians to have a
state and calls for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their
own land or imprisons them behind walls? How can Palestinians
negotiate with a state that has been terrorizing them for six decades,
relentlessly and brutally? How can Palestine negotiate with a state
that maintains, not an "armed militia," but the third to fourth
largest military force in the world to occupy a small and undefended
people? How can Palestine negotiate with a state that will not allow
for a one-state solution that would allow for ballots not bullets?

Not to be outdone, Hillary proclaims at a Hanukkah dinner at Yeshiva
University that "Israel is not only our ally; it is a beacon of what
democracy can and should mean ... If the people of the Middle East are
not sure what democracy means, let them look to Israel." Look indeed,
look at the only people allowed to be citizens in Israel, Jews; it is
in its declaration a state for Jews. There are Arabs (Palestinians in
fact but can't be called that in Israel) who have resided in the land
granted to Israel by the UN and given Israeli citizenship, roughly 20%
of the population, but they are in reality second class citizens and
denied many of the rights granted to Jews. The very fact that it is a
state for one people contradicts the premise of a democracy.

But Hillary goes on, goes on to negate the validity and the judgment
of the International Court of Justice in its condemnation of the
Entombment Wall as inhumane and illegal. She takes it upon herself to
declare the ICJ as meaningless and its decision, after trial and
evidence, null and void. But who is Hillary to determine anything of
the sort? Hasn't the United States signed the document that
established the ICJ, and despite the illegal actions of the Bush
administration, isn't the US still legally bound to that document?
She, like Bush, will rule without law and order when it comes to
Israel.

Senator Dodd, like Biden, relates his support for Israel back through
family blood, to his father before him, decades of support. He makes
this observation: "For six decades, Israel has passed every day in the
knowledge that its enemies are praying and plotting for its death. In
the face of such hatred, we might have expected the people of Israel
to answer with hate of their own. But they have not." (AIPAC's
National Summit, 10/06). Unfortunately, the people of Israel, like
Americans, are victims of their respective governments that have been
all too willing to brandish their hatred and brutality on the
Palestinians and Iraqis on behalf of their citizens. Indeed, the good
Senator brags about being the co-sponsor of the Syrian Accountability
Act, another example of Israel's willingness to use our Congress to
benefit its own interests while it locks out the possibility of
working with the Syrians toward some measure of peace in Iraq, a
direction, despite Dodd's efforts, finally underway now.

John Edwards has resorted to endorsing Olmert's "realignment" plan, a
euphemism for more theft. But, as Edwards notes, "Israel is in the
unfortunate position of having to act without an agreement." Why are
they without a negotiating partner? Because Olmert will not recognize
the legitimate democratically elected government of the people of
Palestine. Since he had already determined that Mahmud Abbas was too
weak, and that the Palestinians did not recognize the state of Israel,
stop the violence, and accept all agreements made by the PLO,
positions Israel has not been willing to make to the Palestinians,
they were left with no one to work with toward peace. That reality
Edwards ignores.

Haaretz quotes Bill Richardson in its November 19th, 2006 on-line
edition as saying "The partnership between our two countries has never
been stronger. We are fortunate to have each other in the fight
against terrorism and in advancing our common cause of a lasting peace
in the Middle East." This reflects the mantra that all extend to
AIPAC, negating in its utterance the terror Israel inflicts daily and
the almost universal acceptance of Israel as a terrorist state. (see
Pew Foundation survey).

Finally, to wrap up the Democrats that have labored hard in the
Israeli vineyards, we turn to the one man allegedly untainted by the
influence of lobbyists if only because of his limited time in
Washington, Barack Obama. Well, it appears that he's been tainted.
Haaretz quotes Obama in its March 3, 2007 on line edition: "My view is
that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us
to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom
they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself
against enemies sworn to its destruction." Shmuel Rosner, the Haaretz
correspondent goes on to say that "Obama passed any test anyone might
have wanted him to pass. So, he is pro-Israel. Period." AIPAC works
fast. The one candidate that might have reason to be objective in
light of his family's experience, grovels before the oppressor, no
doubt never having visited the plantation on the other side of the
Wall.

Needless to say, all the Republicans are baptized in AIPAC's largesse
- McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Brownback and Hunter. Others like Hagel
are testing the waters reluctant to wade in until the pool becomes
less crowded. No need to quote these folks, let Haaretz do it for us.
"Israeli panel: Giuliani is best presidential candidate for Israel."
That's the headline. It reports on Israel's new project, "The Israel
Factor: Ranking the Presidential Candidates." The panel will rank the
candidates each month until the 2008 election. Giuliani scored best on
the possibility of attacking Iran, followed by Gingrich (undeclared)
and McCain.

Two candidates, only two, Gravel of Alaska and Kucinich of Ohio, offer
balanced approaches to meaningful settlement of the crisis in
Palestine. Gravel proposes that the US sponsor direct negotiations
between Israel and all Palestinian factions including Hamas, support a
Palestinian state alongside Israel, have the US serve as a guarantor
for the demilitarization of Israel's border with a future Palestinian
state, commit itself to raising the economic standards of Palestinians
comparable to that which it supplies to Israel, and disavow a nuclear
first-strike policy.

Let me conclude this romp through the candidates with Dennis
Kucinich's statement on the issue, a statement issued in September of
2003: "The same humanity that requires us to acknowledge with profound
concerns the pain and suffering of the people of Israel requires a
similar expression for the pain and suffering of the Palestinians.
When our brothers and sisters are fighting to the death, instead of
declaring solidarity with one against the other, should we not declare
solidarity with both for peace, so that both may live in security and
freedom? If we seek to require the Palestinians, who do not have their
own state, to adhere to a higher standard of conduct, should we not
also ask Israel, with over a half century experience with statehood,
to adhere to the basic standard of conduct, including meeting the
requirements of international law?"

What more can be said? Gravel's proposals provide an avenue toward
peace that respects both Israelis and Palestinians, and Kucinich's
statement, from the least likely candidate to gain credibility with
the American public, offers the American voter a route to a moral
resolution of a conflict that has brought it, because of its
unrestrained support for Israel and its illegal actions as an occupier
of Palestinian territory, international censure and denunciation. All
other choices lead to a continuation of the injustice inflicted on the
Palestinians and the residue that is the consequence of our allegiance
to Israel's brutally aggressive treatment of the Palestinians. How can
American voters trump the power of AIPAC and its allies for Israel in
determining the future policy of this nation toward Israel if AIPAC
has our candidates shackled and in bondage?


William Cook is a professor of English at the University of La Verne
in southern California and author of Tracking Depception: Bush's
Mideast Policy



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Exploitation by Zundel's Holocaust Industry Concerns Moron Knoll
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On Mar 20, 5:38 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article ,
>
> Kurt Knoll  wrote:
> >Zundle is not the only eyesore Kenneth. Practically anyone that ask
> >questions about the holocaust is.
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll clearly wishes to avoid the
> undeniable facts around Ernst Zundel's exploitation of the Holocaust.

He is neither a "revisinist" nor is he leading anybody. The whole
world has now realized that Jews lied all along about the "six
million" because there was not even four million available to Nazis to
kill. Knoll is simply telling the truth and I agree with him
completely. Bums like you  who are lying for money obviously will
continue to lie no matter what



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Mar 20, 6:26 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <1174428460.000907.170...@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex "Venceremos" Seredin  wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 20, 5:38 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> >> In article ,
>
> >> Kurt Knoll  wrote:
> >> >Zundle is not the only eyesore Kenneth. Practically anyone that ask
> >> >questions about the holocaust is.
>
> >> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll clearly wishes to avoid the
> >> undeniable facts around Ernst Zundel's exploitation of the Holocaust.
>
> >He is neither a "revisinist" nor is he leading anybody. The whole
> >world has now realized that Jews lied all along about the "six
> >million" because there was not even four million available to Nazis to
> >kill. Knoll is simply telling the truth and I agree with him
> >completely. Bums like you  who are lying for money obviously will
> >continue to lie no matter what
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll is a fully qualified LRS. He exhibits the requisite
> abject stupidity, hatred of Jews, and an inability to walk and chew gum at the same time.
>
> Get used to it, Leading Revisionist Scholar Seredin.
>
> http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-09-21/news/feature.html
>
> Net Hate in Neverland
>
> To locals, he's a roadside instutition. But to the Usenet, he's a monster.
>
> By Julia Reischel
> Article Published Sep 21, 2006
>
> When Mickey Ben-Tovim drives by Peter Pan Gifts, a small seashell shop in Delray Beach,

OH STICK YOUR ZIONAZI LIES UP YOUR ARSE!



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On Mar 20, 7:28 pm, "spike125"  wrote:
> Hello friends;
>
> Maybe this will suprise you, it shocked me.
>
> Being credible in our courts is having a nazi stamp collection.
>
> If you call a person jew boy when you assault him, that's acceptable
> now.
>
> If you taunt this person calling him (me) Nazi boy when threaten him
> and his wife with death and he tapes that, you can't use it in court.
>
> If you question a criminal about calling you jew boy in open court,
> don't worry a civil servant within the Liberal Govt of Ontario will
> change the official certified court transcript to read john-boy.
>
> See for yourself. If you feel this is cruel and unfair, please pass on
> this link, I want it to stop happening to others.
>
> Take care is a scary new world,
> spike

What's wrong with being called a "jew boy" if you are a Jew? I see no
offence there. After all whom do you scum call "sand niggers"?



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On Mar 20, 1:11 pm, "Dan Barkye"  wrote:
> AlexBenThermPrinceMirelleetal,
>
> Nothing can and will ever help you get out of the impasse you are in by
> living on occupied lands while preaching to Israel.
>
> ISRAEL can claim it has a right for this land,

ISRAEL CAN CLAIM ALL KINDS OF SHIT, THE DETERMINATION OF THE BORDERS
OF ISRAEL HAS BEEN ALREADY DONE BY 69 U.N,. RESOLUTIONS WHICH ISRAEL
HAS IGNORED



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On Mar 21, 12:42 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> zr wrote:
> > How interesting.
> > He is not a Jew, but a Catholic and still has the brains and chutzpah
> > to understand right from wrong. How enlightening.
> > Now if we could only educate the hate and lies out of the Muslims
> > what a peaceful world it could become.
>
> I think I may be wrong!
> I am trying to find out.
> His wife is Jewish although I believe she is an atheist .She was born in
> Britain not Israel.
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com
Barbara Amiel is so hated by the Canadian people, hardly anybody reads
her column, the only reason it is there is because her pro Israeli
husband decreed that it be there! And it has nothing to do with her
being Jewish.




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On Mar 21, 9:30 am, michaelalcan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Bush's cabinet is comprised of a HUGELY disproportionate number of
> jews. Wolfowitz, Perle, beady-eyed freak Feith, not to mention
> satanist bolshevik slimebag israeli Michael Chertoff, who should face
> trial for treason and undermining the US Constitution. Michael
> Chertoff is trying to create a 'new world order' or global government,
> where his satanist talmudic hate religion will be at the 'top of the
> pyramid'. These jewish satanists in the White House must be stopped by
> any means necessary. Chertoff must face charges immediately for
> sedition and treason. Chertoff and his other jewish friends who are
> importing all the illegal immigrants into this country, while
> oppressing rightful US citizens under a fake 'war on terror', based on
> staged attacks committed by israelis on 9-11-2001. These devil
> worshipping satanists must be stopped.
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54796
>
> It is 100% justified for White Christians to take up arms against
> these filthy, hateful, murderous insane bolsheviks. They are so inbred
> now that they can barely make cheap hollywood garbage movies anymore,
> that's how debased they have become. These devils must be driven from
> North America by any means necessary.

A new, and perhaps the deadliest, confrontation between the War Allies
United States, Britain and the World has emerged recently with the
chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court stating that the
War Leaders, Bush and Blair, could face war crimes charges in the
Hague.





The London Sunday Telegraph is reporting this news on March 18, and as
we can read:

"Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo said in an interview with the
Sunday Telegraph that it was frustrating that the court was viewed in
the Arab world as biased in favor of the West.

Asked whether he could envision a situation in which Mr. Bush and Mr.
Blair found themselves in the dock answering charges of war crimes in
Iraq, he replied:

"Of course, that could be a possibility ... whatever country joins the
court can know that whoever commits a crime in their country could be
prosecuted by me."

As we had previously reported in our October 15, 2005 report titled
'War Crimes' Portfolio against United States President, Vice President
and Defense Secretary Opened By International Committee of the Red
Cross Charging 'Crimes Against Humanity', there does exist the legal
mechanisms to try the Western War Leaders, but according to Russian
Legal Experts the likelihood of this happening while the United States
remains so powerful is 'remote'.

As thousands of war protestors continue to demonstrate in the United
States, Europe and around the World, Russia's foreign minister Sergey
Lavrov has begun to show the Kremlins extreme displeasure of the
actions of the United States and stated that Russia intends to
increase its Global role to counterbalance the Americans.

Though the United States under their Neocon Republican Regime has
steadfastly refused to recognize the authority of the International
Court, and has in fact denied foreign aid to any of their allies
refusing to sign separate treaties absolving American Soldiers of war
crimes, the UN has previously reported that the Americans have
admitted to torture, and as we can read:

"Washington has, for the first time, acknowledged to the United
Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in
Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said.



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 In Arbil, the streets have been cleared of burned-out tanks and
Saddam's troops. But they are more dangerous than ever


Four years ago, in the middle of the US invasion, I drove safely from
Arbil in northern Iraq to Baghdad. There were heaps of discarded
weapons beside the road, and long lines of former Iraqi soldiers
walking home. Signs of battle were few, aside from the hulks of burned-
out tanks, but they all seemed to have been hit by US aircraft after
their crews had fled.

If I tried to make the same journey today, I would be killed or
kidnapped long before I reached Baghdad. Kurdish ministers in the
Iraqi government dare not travel by road between the capital and their
homeland. Three bodyguards of the Foreign Minister, Hoshyar Zebari,
were ambushed and killed when they tried to do so a month ago.

Tony Blair and George Bush still occasionally imply that the picture
of Iraq as a war-torn hell is an exaggeration by the media. They
suggest, though not as forcibly as they did a couple of years ago,
that parts of the country are relatively peaceful. Nothing could be
more untrue.

In reality, the violence is grossly understated. The Baker-Hamilton
report by senior Republicans and Democrats, led by James Baker, took a
single day last summer, when the US army reported 93 acts of violence
in Iraq, and asked American intelligence to re-examine the evidence.
They found the real figure was 1,100 - the US military had
deliberately understated the violence by factor of over 10.

Getting rid of Saddam Hussein was not going to be the main problem
when the US and Britain invaded four years ago. His army would fall
apart, as it had done in 1991 when he was expelled from Kuwait,
because Iraqis simply would not fight for him. But the outcome of the
invasion of 2003 was predictably different from the war in 1991, and
not just because there is now a large American army in the heart of
the Middle East, destabilising the whole region. US forces had not
pressed on to Baghdad 16 years ago, partly because Washington did not
want to see Saddam replaced by Shia religious parties with possible
links to Iran. That is exactly what has happened now, because 60 per
cent of the Iraqi population is Shia.

Less predictable was the disaster facing ordinary Iraqis. Most wanted
rid of Saddam Hussein because they expected a better life after his
fall. Since they had oil reserves comparable to Saudi Arabia and
Kuwait, Iraqis felt, why could they not have an equivalent standard of
living to Saudis and Kuwaitis?

In fact almost every aspect of Iraqi day-to-day life has got worse
over the last four years. In May 2003, people in Baghdad were getting
16 to 24 hours of electricity a day. Today the official figure is just
six hours a day - and even that is on the optimistic side. In a city
with one of the hottest climates in the world, it is catastrophic when
fridges, freezers or air conditioners cannot be used.

There are 4.8 million Iraqi children under the age of five, who have
lived most of their lives since the fall of Saddam Hussein. Unicef
figures show that 20 per cent of them are so severely malnourished
that their growth is stunted.

Under Saddam Hussein most Iraqis worked for the state. This worked
well while he had oil revenues to pay them, but after 1990, UN
sanctions meant that millions of people who had enjoyed a middle-class
standard of living became totally impoverished, and four years ago
more than half of Iraqis were unemployed. One of the worst scandals of
the occupation is that they still are - although billions of dollars
have been spent, billions were stolen.

For all the money supposedly being spent on developing the economy,
there were no cranes to be seen in Baghdad except a cluster in the
Green Zone, at work on a vast new American embassy.

But whatever the material failings of life, over the last four years
it is the lack of security that has dominated everything else for
Iraqis. By the end of 2003 I could already see mothers becoming
hysterical at a school near my Baghdad hotel, because if they could
not find their children they immediately feared that they had been
kidnapped.

Since 2003,
 Iraqi life has become drenched by violence. Many Iraqis
now carry two sets of papers, to pass through Sunni and Shia areas,
but often it is not enough. The UN, using figures from Baghdad morgue
and the Health Ministry, says 3,462 civilians were killed in Iraq in
November and 2,914 in December. Many died at the hands of death
squads, picked up on the street or caught at checkpoints.

The US troop reinforcements in Baghdad, the famous "surge", should
make some difference to the casualty figures. But it is essentially a
change in tactics masquerading as a change in strategy. Baghdad has
fewer and fewer mixed Sunni and Shia districts. The Shia militias and
Sunni insurgents have not disappeared, but are awaiting their moment
to return.

People in Baghdad used to say that under Saddam Hussein, life was
fairly safe if you kept out of politics. This was true of crime:
during the war of 1991 I was once stranded in the semi-desert between
Baghdad and Mosul when my car broke down, because the petrol in the
tank had been watered down. I travelled on to Mosul, hitching lifts
>from farmers without any threat to my safety.

If I did that today, I would be stopped and probably murdered at one
of the official or unofficial checkpoints on the road.




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Netanyahu Issues Call to World From Jerusalem Conference

by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) Binyamin Netanyahu, speaking at the 4th Annual
Jerusalem Conference Monday morning, repeated his call for the world
to prove that now is not like the 1930s and that the world knows how
to respond this time.

"Historic tragedies occur when leaders do not foresee dangers - and
the opposite is true: Great things happened when leaders foresaw and
took advantage of opportunities," the former Prime Minister and
present head of the Knesset opposition said. "Today we have both. The
great threat of the spread of militant Islam around the world, and the
opportunity of globalization, which can bring a great blessing to
mankind and especially to small countries like us - if we are smart
enough to take advantage of this opportunity.

"First, the dangers: For years, I have been warning about the dangers
of Islam. Ten years ago, after I was elected PM and I went to speak
before both houses of Congress. I recently looked up my speech and I
saw that I said the same things - the dangers of Iran arming with
nuclear power and its becoming a menace to humanity. I can't say I was
successful in convincing many people: I tried to convince Clinton and
Yeltsin and the President of China, but they just didn't see the
dangers.

"A few months ago, I said that it is now 1938 and Iran is Germany. I
was told that things are different now, and that the world now has a
different approach. So I say: 'Great, if it's different, let's see how
it's different!' The difference is not that then it was a 'race
superiority' issue and now it's a 'religious superiority' issue -
that's not the point. The only difference is that Hitler first tried
to conquer the world and only afterwards was going to try for atomic
power, while now, Ahmadinajad is trying first for nuclear power and
only then will he try to conquer the world! That's the whole
difference! This is a tidal wave that threatens to engulf first
Israel, and then the rest of the world. They are talking openly about
a new Reich - except that they call it a Khalifate; that's what they
want to establish in the world. But for this to happen, they need a
cataclysmic event to bring it on - and they are working on that.

"The question is what have we learned from 1939? If, as everyone says,
we didn't act in time to stop Hitler - so let's see if they act in
time now! The way to do this is first by exerting economic pressure on
Iran, to which it is very vulnerable. They have 20% unemployment, and
we can take advantage of this in order to cause a destabilization of
the government. Of course, we must also enact sanctions against the
400 companies that do business with Iran, among them some very big
ones such as the French oil company Total. We need a world coalition
against genocide! This is what I tell the world: If we're not in the
30s now, then let's prove it! Sanctions against Iran are a good idea
for a few months or a year - let's see if they work - but not longer
than that! Iran must not be allowed to obtain nuclear power!

"There is a simple principle that governs negotiations with our
neighbors, as we have learned ever since 1993 [the signing of the Oslo
Accords -ed.]. We thought that we had to demand Arab acceptance and an
erasure of their desire to destroy us. Yet then came the actual talks,
and we found ourselves making concessions - including some very
painful ones - and all without receiving our basic demand of an
erasure of their intention to destroy us. They have not abandoned this
plan! So what we have learned is that this cannot be part of the
negotiations; it must be made clear that this cannot be negotiated -
whether in the form of our very existence, or in the form of a demand
for the "right of return" and the deluge of millions of Arabs, which
can destroy us in the same way! If they don't understand that at the
outset, they cannot be our partners for negotiations! It's very nice
that our government is happy that the Mecca Agreement doesn't demand
the right of return right now at - what time is it? 11:05? - right
now. But what about a bit later on?"

Reduce Socialism in Israe
l

"I also mentioned that this is a time for great opportunities. The
fact is that in the coming decades, we are going to need to defend
ourselves - we are a small country - in many ways, on land, air, and
by sea. Where will all the money for this come from? No one is going
to give it to us. It can come, however, from our own ingenuity, with
which we are blessed in abundance. The decades-long argument over
whether socialism-communism or capitalism is better has been decided -
communism has been shown to be a total failure. It had great
education, but people lived in abject poverty, and the societal gaps
grew larger and larger as the ruling classes took all the wealth for
themselves. The walls finally fell, and here, too, they will fall. We
are coming around to realize this. Why is it that countries that were
way behind us economically are now ahead of us - countries such as
Spain, Ireland, and Singapore? Because they did three things: they
reduced the public sector, and expanded the private sector - cutting
taxes which then brought to more production and more taxes - and
allowed competition. We have to do the same. We can't have one phone
company, or to sell it off to one owner who will continue to run it as
a monopoly, but rather have competition. There was fear that Bezeq
would lose jobs, but in the end, many thousand more jobs were created
in the competing companies, and those who lost jobs with Bezeq
received jobs there as well! At the same time, this gives us many more
markets, and more competition for jobs, thus raising wages - and then
we have from where to give elderly benefits, and school lunches, and
the like. We added 270,000 more jobs - that's not social welfare?! We
gave 150,000 school lunches - that's not social welfare?

Netanyahu ended his address on a resounding optimistic note: "In
short, with G-d's help, and with the help of our realization that we
are struggling for an ancient cause of the renewal of the Jewish
People on our land in our renewed country, we will prevail."




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Study Finds One-Third in D.C. Illiterate
Mar 19 11:50 AM US/Eastern


WASHINGTON (AP) - About one-third of the people living in the
national's capital are functionally illiterate, compared with about
one-fifth nationally, according to a report on the District of
Columbia.

Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble
doing such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and
filling out job applications.

The study by the State Education Agency, a quasi-governmental office
created by the U.S. Department of Education to distribute federal
funds for literacy services, was ordered by Mayor Anthony A. Williams
in 2003 as part of his four-year, $4 million adult literacy initiative.




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On Mar 20, 12:26 am, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Mar 19, 9:27 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 19, 11:14 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
>
> > >         Vinny is unable to cope with the fact that the electorate
> > >         woke up last November took a good hard look at Ned Lamont
> > >         and said WTFWWT?
>
> > >         IBM
>
> > HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE A JEWISH TRAITOR LEAD US TO SLAUGHTER!
>
> I do wish I had had an opportunity to vote against him.

Me too!Z But we can all urge our Senators to never cooperate with
traitors!




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ISLAM IN ALL ITS HISTORY

HAS NOT KILLED AS MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE AS THE TWO DICTATORS HITLER AND
GEORGE BUSH KILLED IN THE PAST 60 YEARS

ALLAHU AKBAR!   ALLAHU AKBAR!   ALLAHU AKBAR!




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On Mar 19, 11:14 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
>         Vinny is unable to cope with the fact that the electorate
>         woke up last November took a good hard look at Ned Lamont
>         and said WTFWWT?
>
>         IBM

HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE A JEWISH TRAITOR LEAD US TO SLAUGHTER!




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On Mar 13, 1:21 am, "williamhubbard" 
wrote:
> Asslifters like you should then vote with your feet and return to your fetid
> jihadistans!

W hat and leave you behind to enjoy the Jewish paradise all by
yourself?

 allahu fubar!"Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1173741591.389688.122510@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > AIPAC opens their annual policy conference in Washington DC on Sunday
> > (can't be Saturday because a few of their members have other
> > obligations). Among the speakers at the conference will be Dick Cheney
> > and Nancy Pelosi and you can guarantee both their hands will be
> > extended looking for cash. "Yes, we support the genocide Israel is
> > conducting in the middle east, now pay me!" "Yes, we approve of Israel
> > not honoring any of the U.N. resolutions passed against them, now pay
> > me!" "Yes, we will sacrifice America's sons and daughters in the
> > interest of advancing Israels world views, now pay me!"
>
> > How can it be legal for a foreign government to have this much
> > influence over our domestic politics?
>
> >    "Aipac is very influential because they have the grass roots
> > organisation, when a congressman first comes to Washington he already
> > knows Aipac, he has met their activists in his district, he knows what
> > it means to be pro-Israel."
>
> > Interesting comment, wouldn't you say?
>
> > It's simple, not being pro-Israel and questioning their world view and
> > you risk being branded an anti-Semite and losing millions in campaign
> > contributions. Say it with me people "E-X-T-O-R-T-I-O-N!"




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On Mar 12, 5:44 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article <1173666259.047681.236...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
> ser...@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>
> > "the road is one succession of dust, ruts, pits, and holes." So wrote
> > Dwight D. Eisenhower, then a young lieutenant colonel, in November
> > 1919, after heading out on a cross-country trip with a convoy of Army
> > vehicles in order to test the viability of the nation's highways in
> > case of a military emergency. To this description of one major road
> > across the west, Eisenhower added reports of impassable mud, unstable
> > sand, and wooden bridges that cracked beneath the weight of the
> > trucks. In Illinois, the convoy "started on dirt roads, and
> > practically no more pavement was encountered until reaching
> > California."
>
> > It took 62 days for the trucks to make the trip from Washington, D.C.,
> > to San Francisco, and another 37 years for Ike to complete a quest,
> > inspired by this youthful journey and by his World War II observations
> > of Germany's autobahns, to build a national road system for the United
> > States. In 1956, President Eisenhower signed the Federal-Aid Highway
> > Act, which called for the federal and state governments to build
> > 41,000 miles of high-quality roads across the nation, over rivers and
> > gorges, swamps and deserts, over and through vast mountain ranges, in
> > what would later be called the "greatest public works project in human
> > history." So vital to the public interest did Eisenhower, an old-style
> > fiscal conservative, consider the interstate highway system, he even
> > authorized the federal government to assume 90 percent of the massive
> > cost.
>
> > Fifty years to the day after Ike put his pen to the Highway Act,
> > another Republican signed off on another historic highway project. On
> > June 29, 2006, Mitch Daniels, the former Bush administration official
> > turned governor of Indiana, was greeted with a round of applause as he
> > stepped into a conference room packed with reporters and state
> > lawmakers. The last of eight wire transfers had landed in the state's
> > account, making it official: Indiana had received $3.8 billion from a
> > foreign consortium made up of the Spanish construction firm Cintra and
> > the Macquarie Infrastructure Group (mig) of Australia, and in exchange
> > the state would hand over operation of the 157-mile Indiana Toll Road
> > for the next 75 years. The arrangement would yield hundreds of
> > millions of dollars in tax breaks for the consortium, which also
> > received immunity from most local and state taxes in its contract with
> > Indiana. And, of course, the consortium would collect all the tolls,
> > which it was allowed to raise to levels far beyond what Hoosiers had
> > been used to. By one calculation, the Toll Road would generate more
> > than $11 billion over the 75-year life of the contract, a nice return
> > on mig-Cintra's $3.8 billion investment.
>
> > The deal to privatize the Toll Road had been almost a year in the
> > making. Proponents celebrated it as a no-pain, all-gain way to off-
> > load maintenance expenses and mobilize new highway-building funds
> > without raising taxes. Opponents lambasted it as a major turn toward
> > handing the nation's common property over to private firms, and at
> > fire-sale prices to boot.
>
> > The one thing everyone agreed on was that the Indiana deal was just a
> > prelude to a host of such efforts to come. Across the nation, there is
> > now talk of privatizing everything from the New York Thruway to the
> > Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey turnpikes, as well as of inviting
> > the private sector to build and operate highways and bridges from
> > Alabama to Alaska. More than 20 states have enacted legislation
> > allowing public-private partnerships, or P3s, to run highways. Robert
> > Poole, the founder of the libertarian Reason Foundation and a longtime
> > privatization advocate, estimates that some $25 billion in public-
> > private highway deals are in the works-a remarkable figure given that
> > as of 1991, the total cost of the interstate highway sy
stem was
> > estimated at $128.9 billion.
>
> > On the same day the Indiana Toll Road deal closed, another Australian
> > toll road operator, Transurban, paid more than half a billion dollars
> > for a 99-year lease on Virginia's Pocahontas Parkway, and the Texas
> > Transportation Commission green-lighted a $1.3 billion bid by Cintra
> > and construction behemoth Zachry Construction to build and operate a
> > 40-mile toll road out of Austin. Many similar deals are now on the
> > horizon, and mig and Cintra are often part of them. So is Goldman
> > Sachs, the huge Wall Street firm that has played a remarkable role
> > advising states on how to structure privatization deals-even while
> > positioning itself to invest in the toll road market.
>
> > Goldman Sachs' role has not been lost on skeptics, who accuse the firm
> > of playing both sides of the fence. "In essence, they're double-
> > dipping," says Todd Spencer, executive vice president of the Owner-
> > Operator Independent Drivers Association, a truckers' group that
> > opposes toll road privatization. "They're basically in the middle,
> > playing one side against t