The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: True Muslims must never deny the Holocaust was Re: HOLOCULT'S BALOON PUNCTURED
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On Feb 1, 3:37 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > Meanwhile, with some
> > historical distance, many more people are demanding to have a say in
> > the matter, although others, like the Muslim American Society (MAS)
> > Freedom Foundation feel the need to curry favour by stating "True
> > Muslims must never deny the Holocaust" and in the words of Ibrahim
> > Ramey, the Director of their Human and Civil Rights Division: "The
> > evidence of this crime, and the horrible magnitude of this killing, is
> > irrefutable. From sources as varied as Nazi war records, film
> > documentation, and most importantly, the testimony of survivors and
> > witnesses, we know that the mass murder of European Jews was, indeed,
> > the single greatest crime of genocide in the twentieth century." -
>
> Interesting point Alex.

Who "DENIES" it? I do not. I deny the Jewish bullshit about it. "Si x
million" my arse!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 1, 5:36 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> > > Meanwhile, with some
> > > historical distance, many more people are demanding to have a say in
> > > the matter, although others, like the Muslim American Society (MAS)
> > > Freedom Foundation feel the need to curry favour by stating "True
> > > Muslims must never deny the Holocaust" and in the words of Ibrahim
> > > Ramey, the Director of their Human and Civil Rights Division: "The
> > > evidence of this crime, and the horrible magnitude of this killing, is
> > > irrefutable. From sources as varied as Nazi war records, film
> > > documentation, and most importantly, the testimony of survivors and
> > > witnesses, we know that the mass murder of European Jews was, indeed,
> > > the single greatest crime of genocide in the twentieth century." -
>
> On Feb 1, 12:37 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>
> > Interesting point Alex.
>
> Quite. Additionally, no true Muslim should ever deny that Allah gave
> the Land of Israel to Jews, and no other.
>
> Deborah
You obviuosly have never read Torah or the Holy Quran!Z God gave it to
the "seed of Abraham" most certainly not to the Russian converts to
Judaism!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: MASSACRE OF THE INNOCENTS IN KARBALLA
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On Feb 1, 3:42 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > "A picture is beginning to emerge of a clash between an Iraqi Shia
> > tribe on a pilgrimage to Najaf and an Iraqi army checkpoint that led
> > the US to intervene with devastating effect. The involvement of Ahmed
> > al-Hassani (also known as Abu Kamar), who believed himself to be the
> > coming Mahdi, or Messiah, appears to have been accidental."
> > US 'victory' against cult leader was 'massacre', January 31, 2007
> > .
>
> Is it really the US army's job to keep these people from killing each
> other if they want too Alex?

NO, THAT IS WHY THEY WANTE THE UNITED STATES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF
MIDDLE EAST!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:05:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: IF AMERICA KNEW WHAT JEWS ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY
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On Jan 31, 12:22 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 30, 10:47 am, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 Jan 2007 08:38:23 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
> >  wrote:
> > >On Jan 29, 7:14 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> > >> On Jan 29, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:> On Jan 28, 4:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 28, 7:14 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
>
> > >> > > > "Venceremos"  wrote in messagenews:1170008940.866307.231240@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > > > > THERE WOULD BE NO JEW LEFT IN USA INSIDE A WEEK!Not only does America know what Jews do for America, they support Jews 100%.
> > >> > > > You are COMPLETELY wrong.
> > >> > >YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT THIS AMERICAN AND ABOUT 700 OTHERS PISSES ON JEWS   You are a coward through and through, Nazi.
>
> > >> >    So, did your grandpa help clear the Lodz Ghetto?
>
> > >> >  Michael
>
> > >> And up your arse jewboy!
>
> > >   I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> > >are not SCARED.
>
> > You're beginning to sound like that coon Chrissie.
>
>    Coon?
>
>    Is that what you call people who are superior to you?
>
>  Michael

IDIOT! NOBO0DY IS SUPERIOR TO ANYBODY. WE ARE ALL PRODUCT OF MOTHER
EARTH!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 1, 3:40 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > Al-Arian recently began a hunger strike after being given a sentence
> > of up to 18 months for refusing to testify before a grand jury in
> > Virginia.
>
> It would be an injustice to let Al-Arian stop his hunger strike. He
> should continue it to the end.

WHAT HAS AL ARIAN DONE TO YOU, DISGUSTING ANIMAL?



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 You better believe it, and they know how to use them, and they know
who their enemies are!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: True Muslims must never deny the Holocaust was Re: HOLOCULT'S BALOON PUNCTURED
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On Feb 1, 9:58 am, "TheEnigmaMachine"
 wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.202c51c243543069989c6c@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> >> Meanwhile, with some
> >> historical distance, many more people are demanding to have a say in
> >> the matter, although others, like the Muslim American Society (MAS)
> >> Freedom Foundation feel the need to curry favour by stating "True
> >> Muslims must never deny the Holocaust" and in the words of Ibrahim
> >> Ramey, the Director of their Human and Civil Rights Division: "The
> >> evidence of this crime, and the horrible magnitude of this killing, is
> >> irrefutable. From sources as varied as Nazi war records, film
> >> documentation, and most importantly, the testimony of survivors and
> >> witnesses, we know that the mass murder of European Jews was, indeed,
> >> the single greatest crime of genocide in the twentieth century." -
>
> > Interesting point Alex.
>
> What about true Turks? Do they deny their holocaust against the Armenians?
>
> What about Russians? Do they deny their holocaust against the Ukranians?


WHAT ABOUT JEWS? DO THEY DENY THAT JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED
UNTOLD MILLIONS OF RUSSIANS INCLUDING THE RUSSIAN CZAR AND HIS FAMILY?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: TERRORISTS ARE JEWS! THEY HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ALL DICTATORS PUT TOGETHER
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 JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED 100 MILLION RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS,
AND RULED SOVIET UNION LIKE CALIGULA WOULD HAVE DONE. THEY DESERVE NO
SYMPATHY FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.

YES, I DO CALL THEM KIKES

I GUESS JEWS NEVER READ THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE
CALLED "KIKES" BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT SIGN THEIR OWN NAME AT THE ENTRY
TO THIS GREAT COUNTRY, AND THEY REFUSED TO PUT THE "X", INSTEAD THEY
PUT THE CIRCLE, THUS KIKES WERE BORN (KIKE=CIRCLE IN YIDDISH)



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On Feb 1, 7:09 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:36 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED 100 MILLION RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS,
> > AND RULED SOVIET UNION LIKE CALIGULA WOULD HAVE DONE. THEY DESERVE NO
> > SYMPATHY FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.
>
>    So then Stalin was a Jew?
>
>  Michael


Stalin's name was Dzugashvili, in Georgian that means son of a Jew. I
do not know if he was or wasn.t a Jew, but I know that aside from
killing his wife Svetlana,HE KILLED NOBODY ELSE. He had many Jewish
volunteers to do the killing for him, including the savage killing of
the Czar and his framily which was accomplished by Jews ONLY and on
orders of Sverlov another Jewish commissar



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On Feb 1, 7:30 pm, AnonMoos  wrote:
> Whatever, dude -- Sami Al-Arian might never have done much to support
> particular terrorist acts personally and directly, but he associated
> very closely with many shady characters,

It is not a crime to associate with anyone, if it was a crime george
Bush should be behind bars for associating with Bin Laden family, and
sucking them off for 30 million dollars!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 31, 12:48 am, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> On 30 Jan 2007 21:23:25 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
>  wrote:
> >On Jan 30, 11:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> >> >    I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> >> > are not SCARED.
>
> >> >  Michael
>
> >> "SCARED" OF WHAT? YOU? YOU CAN SUCK IT ANY TIME YOU WISH
>
> >   It is amazing that your Nazi pals can post maps and directions to
> >someone's house, and yet never show up.
>
> And when Micky "Mouth" Ben-Tovim showed up at Venceremos' place of
> work, all he did (according to the newspaper report) was peer at it
> through his car window.  Such a jew b'ravado already!

Give Mickey a break! I never knew of his personal problems.If I knew
what he was going through I would have never given him a hard time I
did. Apparently, he lost his son, and his wife turned to the bottle, I
think Mickey did too.



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On Feb 2, 2:22 am, "B'inyamin Cramer"
 wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:12s5hjtfe2o7u82@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > [Follow-ups set]
>
> > February 2
>
> > 1944
>
> > A Jewish transport from Trieste arrives at Auschwitz-
> > Birkenau; almost all of the deportees are gassed on arrival.
> > (USHMM, 1994. Pg. 27)
>
> Not a scrap of evidence in existence, anywhere, to support this nonsense.
>
> Such a liar, you.

Oh that does not bother the Nanaimo idiot Ken McVay!



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On Feb 2, 4:36 pm, Anonymous  wrote:
> Shitfire, what are we paying $400 Billion for?
> Cheerios?

Good question! You are paying for Haliburtons and Blackwater to get
filthy rich



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Third Temple: Israel's Missing Link
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On Feb 2, 6:53 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> http://www.jewishmag.com/111mag/temple/title.gif
> In the introduction to his book Ohr Hamikdash (Light of the Temple), Rabbi
> Moshe Luria, explains that the Torah, the Sabbath, and the Holy Temple are
> respectively the essence of Wisdom, Understanding, and Knowledge

SOME "WISDOM", SOME "KNOWLEDGE" = 700 PALESTINIAN CHILDREN SLAUGHTERED
BY THE ZIONAZIS DURIN 2006, ALONE



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 IN ORDER TO BE OFFENDED BY ANTI SEMITISM ,ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE A
SEMITE, ONLY ABOUT 2% OF JEWS ARE SEMITES



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 2, 12:13 am, "princeandy"  wrote:
> "can_o_worms"  wrote in message
>
> news:2fd5s2lg27n315cfpdafj93242qrgl2p24@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Britain plays down claims of Tehran role
>
> > This article linked from:  antiwar.com
> > (as are many posts seen in this NG)
>
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-2577510,00.html
>
> > Tom Baldwin in Washington
>
> > Senior British officials, citing mistakes over Saddam
> > Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction, are
> > voicing scepticism about US efforts to build an
> > intelligence-based case against Iran.
>
> OF COURSE THIS TIME THEY HAVE IT RIGHT???????
>
> Cant use the old BS so this time it's errr it all might happen by accident.
> Err that is the war started on lies might cause this war by accident?? Bring
> it on.??
>
> > > Y'all knew that AWOL George did that, right? What's another Bush war,
> > > eh?
>
> Yeah he or his wont go near it so nothing better than a safe armchair war
> where you get the glory and the boys take the brunt eeehhh  BRING IT ON.
>
> Cheaper by the dozen.
>
>
>
> > > Harry
>
> > Sources in London and Washington suggest that the
> > British Government has been "badly scarred" by its
> > Iraq intelligence dossiers. Amid signs of a concerted
> > American operation to prove that Iran is threatening
> > US troops in the region, British officials say that
> > they are "not aware of a smoking gun" that would
> > justify taking military action against Tehran.
>
> > The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that it was
> > investigating whether Iran was behind a January 20
> > attack on a military compound in Karbala in which five
> > US soldiers were abducted and killed. "This was beyond
> > what we have seen militias or foreign fighters do," a
> > US defence official said.
>
> > Lieutenant-General Raymond Odierno, the No 2 in
> > command in Iraq, cited intelligence showing that
> > weapons supplied to Shia groups - RPG29
> > rocket-propelled grenade launchers and Katyusha
> > rockets - could be traced through serial numbers back
> > to Iran. The rapid military build-up in the Gulf is
> > alarming European governments and Democrats.
>
> > Mr Bush said this week that he understood why people
> > might question the reliability of intelligence against
> > Iran. "I'm like a lot of Americans that say, 'Well, if
> > it wasn't right in Iraq, how do you know it's right in
> > Iran?', " he said.
>
> > It emerged yesterday that the Pentagon was preparing
> > to expand the role of the US Air Force in flying
> > aggressive missions along the Iranian border to halt
> > weapons being smuggled into Iraq. It also confirmed
> > that it had suspended the sale of parts of F14
> > fighters to Iran under a deal made before the 1979
> > Revolution.
>
> > Wayne White, a senior State Department official until
> > 2005, said that the role of Iran in Iraq was being
> > exaggerated. "I suspect that if the surge (of American
> > troops) into Iraq fails, Iran is being set up to take
> > the blame," he said.
>
> > "Iran [has] joined the group of those countries which
> > have nuclear technology"
>
> > President Ahmadinejad announces enrichment of a small
> > amount of uranium in April 2006
>
> >  This article linked from:  antiwar.com
> > (as are many posts seen in this NG)
>
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-2577510,00.html


Ahmadinejad defiant on nuke program

Defiant?????

Iran isn't being Defiant. Iran is simply sticking to the terms of the
Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed along with the
United States. It is the United States which is violating the treaty
and Iran is simply demanding their rights under that treaty.

"Defiant" is a word the media is using to make it look like Iran's
standing by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is somehow bad.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 2, 6:57 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170460299.107715.3660@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > No matter what you do Palestine will never belong to you, because you
> > are not entitled to it. You are not the "seed of Abraham", and you did
> > not come to Palestine to live with people there, you came to kill, and
> > maim, and steal, and destroy!
>
> > Out of Palestine you ZioNazi pieces of shit. Ordinary Jews who respect
> > Palestine and Palestinians are welcome to stay on equal basis, with
> > equal rights with Palestinians!

 INORDER TO BE OFFENDED BY ANTI SEMITISM, ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE A
SEMITE FIRST. JEWS AREN'T SEMITES

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MACON, Ga. (AP) -- Mayor Jack Ellis has converted to Islam and is
working to change his legal name to Hakim Mansour Ellis.

Ellis, 61, a Macon native who was raised Christian, said he became a
Sunni Muslim during a December ceremony in the west African nation of
Senegal.

Ellis said he has studied the Quran for years and that his new
religion was practiced by his ancestors before they were brought to
North America as slaves.

"Why does one become a Christian?" Ellis said Thursday. "You do it
because it feels right. ... To me it's no big deal. But people like to
know what you believe in."

Name-changing by Ismaic converts is a common practice that is
considered commendable, though it is typically not required.

Ellis said he would keep his last name at the request of two
daughters.

Ellis, whose mayoral term expires this year, said he hasn't calculated
how his religious conversion might affect him politically. He said he
is proud to live in a country founded on religious freedom.

"If anybody wants to know about Islam, I can hold an intelligent
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---

On the Net:

Official biography: http://cityofmacon.net/CityDept/mayor/aboutmayor.htm



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On Feb 2, 10:51 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Feb 2, 5:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > IS OLMERT'S SUITCASE ALREADY PACKED?
> > Thursday, February 1, 2007
>
> > On January 2, 2007, the Hebrew newspaper, Maariv, published a very
> > important article by Moshe Feiglin.  This article appeared
> > subsequently in an English translation in various publications in
> > Israel, as well as in the United States. The title given by Feiglin to
> > his article is "Gimme Shelter." I am including his article in its
> > entirety.
>
> > Gimme Shelter
> > By Moshe Feiglin
>
> > Why does Israel have to invest three billion shekels to build an
> > underground nuclear bomb shelter for the government? For those of you
> > who do not understand what the endless construction work at the
> > entrance to Jerusalem is all about, we have some disconcerting news.
> > The construction is part of an atomic shelter six kilometers long in
> > which Olmert, Livni, Peretz and their aides can continue to run the
> > country with no fear -- even if a nuclear mushroom is billowing at
> > street level. The shelter also serves as a shortcut to Israel's
> > airport. No, this is not a joke. An elevator descends from the Prime
> > Minister's office to the secret tunnels, far from the traffic
> > congestion on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway -- or the radioactive
> > congestion - straight to the airport and the reunion with Olmert's
> > sons in New York. It's sort of like a modern-day Cave of Tzedekiah.
>
> > Recently, I heard Avi Farchan -- twice exiled from his home in Sinai
> > and Gush Katif -- express his ire at the fact that the government is
> > searching for a place to shelter the residents of Israel's south in
> > the case of heavy shelling from Gaza. "There is no difference between
> > the residents of Sderot and the residents of Ein Gev and Gadot, who
> > continued to plow their fields under Syrian shelling," Farchan
> > insisted. It is impossible not to like Farchan, but he is a bit
> > reminiscent of the Japanese soldier that continued to "fight" in the
> > jungles tens of years after Hirohito had surrendered. The kibbutzniks
> > in Ein Gev who continued plowing their fields had leadership that
> > intended to triumph. The residents of Sderot are soldiers whose
> > leadership has backed out of the battle, leaving them abandoned in the
> > battlefield. Who has the right to tell them to stay put and be sitting
> > ducks, when their government has already surrendered?
>
> > The only way to understand what is happening now in the Western Negev
> > and in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit is to realize
> > that Israel's government has already surrendered. When they tell us
> > that there is "no solution for the Kassams," they mean that they have
> > raised the white flag. The State of Israel continues to exist due to
> > inertia and thanks to the perseverance of its citizens.
>
> > So why spend so much money to shelter the government far underground?
> > After all, Israel has already waved the white flag of surrender. Why
> > take bread out of the mouths of the poor? The elegant solution would
> > be to send the government to a safe haven in London now. Why London?
> > Because the English have experience with governments in exile.
>
> > In his research, Military Historian Dr. Uri Milstein claims that
> > Israel won the Six Day War because the Chief of Staff broke under the
> > pressure of the war and was hospitalized in a psychiatric institution,
> > rendering him incapable of bungling the army's battle plan. Who knows?
> > Maybe a government exile, elegantly implemented under the pressure of
> > current events -- will liberate the healthy forces in this Nation,
> > allowing them to rise, defend themselves and triumph?
>
> > Just think about all the money that we could save if we would halt the
> > atomic shelter project. Think about all the miserable Arab refugees
> > from Gaze who would be thrilled to get a small fraction of this money
> > and start a new life in Canada. With these colossal sums we could have
> > a genuine peace process here. And if we add the 13 billion dollars
> > that the Separation Fence will cost (That's right, the fence that
> > cannot stop anything from flying over it or crawling under it) we
> > could also begin to solve the problem of the Arabs of Shechem and
> > Jenin. And if we add the cost of the Disengagement, we could begin to
> > consider solving the problem of Israel's Arabs - who are involved in
> > approximately half of the terror attacks attempted or perpetrated
> > against Israelis. And if we add to all this money the incessant flow
> > of funds that Israel has transferred to the terrorists since Oslo -
> > who knows? Maybe we could have set them all up with good jobs and nice
> > houses all over the globe? And we may have even had something left for
> > medicines and food for hungry children in Israel. After all, we have
> > already accepted the principle of Evacuation-Compensation, haven't
> > we?
>
> > What? Gaza and Shechem belong to them??? O.K., if you think so, maybe
> > you really should take the elevator underground - as close as possible
> > to the airport.
>
> > * * *
>
> > In the hills outside Jerusalem, the Israeli government is now building
> > a massive war bunker where top government officials would take shelter
> > in case of biological, chemical or nuclear attack.
>
> > The construction of the underground bunker was approved in the last
> > decade when Prime Minister Ehud Olmert served as mayor of Jerusalem.
>
> > Last night, Israel TV Channel 2 tried to film the clandestine goings
> > on in the beautiful hills of Jerusalem surrounding the Spring of
> > Lifta. They were prevented from filming this by government "security"
> > guards. The only pictures the TV crew came away with were of two
> > enormous hills of dirt.
>
> > It now develops that the building of this bunker is an old story,
> > originally published some five years ago in local Jerusalem
> > newspapers, but not by any of the major newspapers. Government
> > suppression?
>
> > THE BIG QUESTION IS: Are the suitcases of Olmert's family, his merry
> > crew of ministers, deputy ministers, and friends, and their families,
> > already packed?
>
> > With Blessings and Love for Israel,
>
> > Ruth Matar
>
> With Blessings and Love for the United States, here's how it actually
> happened:
>
> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB189/index.htm

Thanks, 1969 was the year when Zionist took control of United States,
and now we are completely governed by the ultra Zionists of the world



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 2, 9:58 pm, johann_wunkelbe...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://www.davidduke.com/general/jewish-attacks-on-russian-parliament...

David Duke is both a great American, and a great friend of Russia and
the world. David Duke has more knowledge of the outside world in his
little nail, than George Bush ever had. They are demonizing this great
American just because he made a mistake in his late teens to join the
Klan, inspite of the fact that many of our legislators have done much
worse than that, and have joined hands with Mafia and the terrorists.
How many of US legislators have supported Carilles, who was
responsible for hijacking a Cuban plane and killing of dozens of
innocent people?



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 Terrorist Jews do not seem to have too many worries. They caught a
South African Jew selling 67 nuclear bomb triggers to some country,
and sentenced him to house confinement in the house of his Rabbi.
Guess what? The triggers were destined for Iran!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 2, 10:53 pm, Ian MacLure  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote innews:1170460299.107715.3660@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > No matter what you do Palestine will never belong to you, because you
> > are not entitled to it. You are not the "seed of Abraham", and you did
> > not come to Palestine to live with people there, you came to kill, and
> > maim, and steal, and destroy!
>
> > Out of Palestine you ZioNazi pieces of shit. Ordinary Jews who respect
> > Palestine and Palestinians are welcome to stay on equal basis, with
> > equal rights with Palestinians!
>
>         And there we have it.
>         Israelis would have be the biggest fools the world has ever
>         seen to agree to anything with the Paleosimians.
>
>         The amount of shrieking and feces flinging from the itinerant
>         Arabs of the region has increased geometrically since the wall
>         in question shut down their ability to send in suicide bombers.
>
>         IBM

All that awaits Israel is DEATH. Jews who wish to live in peace with
Palestinians are welcome to stay in the new land of peace!S



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 Most doctors will tell you that pork is bad for your health, in fact
it is harmfull!



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US Congress: A New Knesset for Zionists?

By Harmony Grant

Recent events leave me wondering which is the real Jewish state-Israel
or the USA? The Bush administration already took us to war to make the
Middle East safer for Israel, and now it's gearing up for war with Iran
-sending anti-missile missiles, an aircraft carrier, and cruise
missile-firing ships to the Gulf-for the same reason.

If the midterm election was supposed to be a referendum against U.S.
policy in the Mideast, it failed royally. In fact, the midterm
election left things even rosier for Zionists and gloomier for those
wanting an escape from the Israel  Lobby's ruinous foreign policy.

Don't take my word for it; that's analysis from the JTA, Global News
Service of the Jewish People ("Division of Congressional posts seems
to favor Jewish issues," Jan. 9, 2007). JTA's Ron Kampeas notes that
in the new Congress there are "more Jews in powerful positions than
the [Jewish] community has seen in more than a decade-it also features
more friendly faces across the board, Jewish leaders say."

Although Jews comprise only 2 percent of the U.S. population, there
are now 30 Jews in the House, an increase of 4 from the last Congress,
and "a record 13 Jews in the Senate...20 percent of the Democratic
presence." (JTA) Significantly, JTA says, both House and Senate have
Jews in the top political position of caucus chair. Rep. Chuck Schumer
(D-NY) chairs the Senate and Rep. Rahm Emanual (D-Ill) chairs the
House.

Who now controls the International Relations Committee with
jurisdiction over US foreign relations, border disputes, foreign
loans, diplomacy, measures related to international commerce and
economic policy, and over the American Red Cross and UN organizations?
That would be Rep. Tom Lantos (D-California) who is "the sole
Holocaust survivor in Congress and one of Israel's staunchest
defenders in the House of Representatives" (JTA).

Lantos' deputy at the committee is Rep. Howard Berman, also a Democrat
>from California and also Jewish. JTA's piece notes that "four of the
committee's seven subcommittee chairmen are likely to be Jewish."
These Jewish politicians are set up to chair the Mideast subcommittee,
the International Terrorism and Nonproliferation subcommittee, the
Western Hemisphere subcommittee, and the committee on Europe and
Emerging Threats.

JTA lists several other Jews assuming prominent positions and notes
that the biggest gain for Israel is Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) as
majority leader. Hoyer "is on a first-name basis with much of the
board of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and has
been to Israel multiple times..."

Jewish ADL lobbyist Stacy Burdett "noted the ascension of Sen. Ted
Kennedy and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) to the chairmanships of their
respective houses' immigration subcommittees." Burdett was pleased
that their increased power would help defeat pressure from
conservatives to tighten US immigration policy.

Some people say there's no Jewish elite with a powerful political
agenda and that to say so is anti-Semitic. But the power of American
Zionists is confirmed by Jewish sources themselves, like JTA. It is
these Jewish organizations themselves which insist that there are
unified Jewish interests (the foremost being unconditional support of
Israel) and that all Jews should rejoice if more of their Zionist
brethren are in government. Jewish Americans like Norman Finkelstein
who think independently and resist the herding of organized Jewry are
a minority.

All of this is pretty bad news for Americans-Jews and gentile-who are
concerned about the geopolitical consequences of our reckless,
dangerous and imbalanced support of Israel. If Americans are fed up
with the Bush administration's military actions in Iraq, they're going
to have to wise up to the hands that are really pulling the strings.

Our foreign policy in the Middle East will grow only more destructive
unless the Zionist lobby and Zionist politicians are recognized as
primarily loyal to a foreign power, Israel - not to American interests
and our troops, dying for Israel in Iraq.

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On Feb 3, 12:07 am, "flav...@verizon.net"  wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:28:13 +1000, munchausen
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >dshar...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Feb 2, 12:49 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> >>>              Jews and arabs are "generic brothers". They mai have
> >>> their differences but
> >>> jews and arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back
> >>> thousands
> >>> of year. The striking similiraties in their biology have just been
> >>> revealed in a   study
> >>> of on 1300 men almost 30 countries worldwide.
> >>>             Scientist compared the men's Y chromosomes, the tiny
> >>> structures within
> >>> cells that carry the genetic instructions that tell a developing
> >>> foetus be come a boy.
> >>>              The comparison also showed that jews have sucessfuly
> >>> resisted have their
> >>> gene pool diluted, despite having lived among non-jews for thousands
> >>> of years in what
> >>> is commonly know as the Diaspora - the time since 556 BC when jews
> >>> migrated out
> >>> Palestine.
> >>> Baruchsion
>
> >> The diaspora began when Jews were forcibly removed from Israel in 586
> >> BCE. And genetic study in which "striking similiraties[sic]" between
> >> Israeli Jews and Arabs which "have just been revealed" was published
> >> nearly ten years ago, and noted the similarities between Jews and
> >> Kurdis. "Arab" generally denotes one whose language is Arabic. And we
> >> all share 98.5% of our DNA with chimps.
>
> >> Deborah
>
> >   Strange though how both Arab and jewish women cover their heads and
> >   both of you wont eat pork.
> >   M.
>
> It's because jews and Arabs are two branches of the same race.   The
> race I converted into.
>
> Susan

What an idiot! You cannot convert into a race. You can convert into a
belief. That does not make you a jew, just a believer in Jewish crap!



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On Feb 2, 3:49 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
>              Jews and arabs are "generic brothers". They mai have
> their differences but
> jews and arabs share a common genetic heritage that stretches back
> thousands
> of year. The striking similiraties in their biology have just been
> revealed in a   study
> of on 1300 men almost 30 countries worldwide.
>             Scientist compared the men's Y chromosomes, the tiny
> structures within
> cells that carry the genetic instructions that tell a developing
> foetus be come a boy.
>              The comparison also showed that jews have sucessfuly
> resisted have their
> gene pool diluted, despite having lived among non-jews for thousands
> of years in what
> is commonly know as the Diaspora - the time since 556 BC when jews
> migrated out
> Palestine.
>
> Baruchsion

98% of the Jews are not of semitic origin. I cannot understand why
they would be offended by any antisemitic comments



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On Feb 3, 2:22 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Terrorist Jews do not seem to have too many worries. They caught a
> > South African Jew selling 67 nuclear bomb triggers to some country,
> > and sentenced him to house confinement in the house of his Rabbi.
> > Guess what? The triggers were destined for Iran!
>
> Link?
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Better than that twatty, I will give you the whole story of the filthy
Jews dealing in arms to kill other people, i8ncluding their own (Read
"Jew middleman of death")



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On Feb 3, 8:15 am, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> A tour  on  Paul Johnson's book -  A HISTORY OF THE JEWS - this
> brilliant
> 4000 year survey covers not only Jewish history but the impact of
> Jewish ge -
> nius and imagination on the world,

TELL ME ABOUT IT!
he Middleman

Asher Karni was "a genius" in South Africa's military electronics
trade. Now he's in jail in Brooklyn, accused of orchestrating a
nuclear black market deal.

By Mark Schapiro
March 30, 2005

On New Year's Day 2004, conditions in the Rocky Mountains seemed ideal
for the ski vacation that Asher Karni had long anticipated. Fresh
snowfall had slowed Denver to a cool calm, and the mountain resorts
were bursting with record-breaking crowds. Karni, a 50-year-old,
Hungarian-born Israeli and South African businessman, planned on
staying in the area for three weeks, according to the dates on his
airline tickets, but he never made it to the slopes. As he stepped off
the plane with his wife and a teenage daughter at Denver International
Airport, U.S. Customs agents arrested him on charges of violating
American export laws. Specifically, he was accused of exporting,
without the proper license, quantities of a device known as a
triggered spark gap.

Triggered spark gaps are unremarkable in appearance-each is a cylinder
set atop a four-inch-square black box-and small enough to fit in the
pocket of a raincoat. They emit an intense electrical pulse whose
timing and duration are controlled to the microsecond. Hospitals use
the devices to power lithotripters, which deliver an electrical punch
that pounds kidney stones to dust so they can be expelled from the
body. That, however, is not their only function. Installed into an
enriched uranium casing, a triggered spark gap can ignite a nuclear
explosion. Karni, according to the Justice Department, was in the
middle of a deal exporting 200 of the devices to a buyer who might use
them for just such a purpose. The buyer was Humayun Khan, an Islamabad
businessman with close ties to Pakistan's military and who has been
linked by U.S. government officials to militant Islamic groups, some
of which are suspected to be arming fighters in the Kashmiri conflict.

According to Justice Department spokesman Channing Phillips, the U.S.
government is now pursuing leads "in several countries" as it attempts
to track the extent and nature of Karni's business dealings. But in
March, anonymous law enforcement officials complained to the Los
Angeles Times that the State Department-afraid of offending Pakistan,
its partner in the war on terror-had blocked agents from the Commerce
and Homeland Security departments from pursuing those leads and going
to Pakistan to interview Khan and others. A federal judge sealed
records in the Karni case last September. But legal documents obtained
before then indicate that his transactions reached in two directions
>from the headquarters of his company, Top-Cape Technologies. Karni's
reach extended from Cape Town through a broker in Secaucus, New
Jersey, to the Salem, Massachusetts, laboratories of PerkinElmer
Optoelectronics, a high-technology firm that is one of the world's few
manufacturers of triggered spark gaps. His reach also extended from
Cape Town through Dubai to Islamabad, into the recesses of one of the
world's most dangerous black markets, the international traffic in
"dual-use" nuclear technology.

Dual-use items are those, like triggered spark gaps, that are under
export restrictions because they have both peaceful and weapons
applications. The U.S. Commerce Department subjects these products to
varying degrees of licensing and other controls, and the International
Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) observes their trade as a way of
discerning if an illicit nuclear program is under way. The suspect
roster includes about 3,000 products, from accelerometers (which can
be employed as a guidance system for missiles) to zirconium alloy
tubes (which are used in uranium-enriching centrifuges).

Cape Town

Cape Town is located at the southern tip of Africa.
Aside from actual uranium and other radioactive material, triggered
spark gaps-number 2,641 on the control list-are among the most tightly
restricted items in the world. Producing countries like the United
States permit them to be shipped to nonnuclear countries like South
Africa without a license, but for countries like Pakistan and India,
"rogue" nuclear powers outside the existing nonproliferation system,
shippers must request an export license. Triggered spark gaps can't
survive a nuclear blast, but when installed in lithotripters, they can
fire hundreds of thousands of times, so the demand for new ones is not
great. In the 1990s, when the Iraqi Health Ministry requested small
numbers of the devices for use in several hospitals, the IAEA
confirmed the proper use of every one of them. "The only way for the
Iraqis to get a new trigger," says Mark Gwozdecky, an IAEA spokesman
in Vienna, "was to send back the one they used." The surveillance
system worked, he said, and the agency is confident that none were
diverted to nonmedical purposes.

Critics of the current patchwork of nonproliferation agreements
complain that the system lacks teeth. "None of the regimes are legally
binding," says Seema Gahlaut, a senior research associate at the
Center for International Trade and Security (CITS) at the University
of Georgia, which completed a survey of the nonproliferation system
last fall. "They are more like gentlemen's agreements, based on each
member country's discretion." The system is also stymied by a
reporting loophole. The Nuclear Suppliers Group, an international
coalition to which the United States belongs, asks that its members
report export requests for dual-use items that have been denied. But
it doesn't require the reporting of export requests that have been
approved. According to the Government Accountability Office, in a
report to Congress in 2002, some 45 to 65 percent of denials are never
reported. CITS claims that those numbers have changed little over the
past three years. That, says Gwozdecky, seriously hobbles the agency's
ability to track "which nations are seeking-even unsuccessfully-
technology with potential nuclear application."

But the main weakness in the oversight is the central feature of the
dual-use economy: the overlapping imperatives of commerce and
international security. The global trade in parts for nuclear weapons
is, for the most part, not conducted through secret espionage channels
or along smugglers' routes. It's accomplished through straight-ahead
business deals between companies operating in the open, trading in the
vast commercial gray zone of dual use. The trade is hard to follow and
harder still to regulate. The Commerce Department's control list
comprises some 3 percent of all commodities exported from the United
States, giving industry a powerful incentive to resist strengthened
restrictions.

Ultimately, Karni was tripped up not by the system, but by an odd bit
of serendipity: a mysterious individual who, starting in the summer of
2003, guided investigators along Karni's labyrinthine trail. The
government's complaint against Karni is peppered with references to
the "anonymous source in South Africa" who clued them in to the
"possible diversion of U.S. origin equipment."

Gahlaut says, "I believe there's a fifty-fifty chance the Karni deals
would never have been discovered if it had not been for that anonymous
tipster." In other words, Top-Cape's blizzard of false end-user
certificates, misleading shipping manifests, and concocted usage
rationales might have worked, and a shipment of weaponry-capable spark
gap triggers might have proceeded unquestioned from Salem,
Massachusetts, all the way to Islamabad.

And Karni might have become the latest middleman in a long-simmering
chapter of the nuclear arms race.

The deal that allegedly put Karni's fingerprints on Pakistan's nuclear
ambitions was pieced together in a mansion in the lush Cape Town
neighborhood of Sea Point. The tree-lined enclave-locally referred to,
not always fondly, as "Millionaires' Row"-is among the most exclusive
in the city. The mansion, rising three stories behind a cream-colored
stucco wall on Ocean View Drive, belongs to Asher Karni.

Karni

Asher Karni
For almost two decades, Karni had thrived in Cape Town. In 1985, he
resigned his major's commission with the Israeli army and immigrated
to South Africa to work for a Jewish charity serving the Orthodox
community in Cape Town. Karni's first four years in the country were
spent educating Jewish youth and encouraging them to relocate to
Israel, according to an article the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz
published shortly after his arrest. He became a respected member of
the Beit Midrash congregation, teaching Torah at the synagogue and
conducting services when Rabbi Jonathan Altman was out of town. "He is
a thoroughly honest, hardworking and responsible person," South
Africa's chief rabbi, C.K. Harris, wrote to the court after Karni's
arrest. "He enjoys a very good reputation in the Cape Town community,
both Jewish and general."

In 1989, Karni left his official religious duties to take a job with
Eagle Technology, a firm owned and run by one of Cape Town's leading
families, Alan and Diana Bearman and their son, Nathan. With an M.B.A.
>from an Israeli university, and his military background, Karni was a
good fit for the job. Eagle Technology has a storefront off Green
Market Square in downtown Cape Town, where it sells to the public high-
tech spying devices like surveillance video systems and recording
machines; an adjacent outlet, Eagle Appliances, sells espresso makers,
electric radiators, and other consumer electronics. But the real
action goes on upstairs, where Eagle plies a more serious trade. It
specializes in obtaining sophisticated electronic, optical, and other
sensitive equipment, originally for the South African military during
the long years of the country's apartheid government, and now for a
wide variety of clients in the "new" South Africa. These items became
Karni's specialty.

When Karni joined the company, South Africa's apartheid government was
operating under severe international sanctions, making the country a
smugglers' paradise. Everything from rifles to ammunition to missile
casings had to be obtained on the black market. Importers learned the
circumlocutions necessary to evade foreign prohibitions on exports to
South Africa.

"We had a government then of vipers," says Michael Bagraim, a Cape
Town attorney who would play a large role in Karni's fate, "and
companies did what they had to in order to obtain equipment for the
military." Eagle had no connection to the country's illicit nuclear
program; its work was exclusively for the conventional armed forces.
But with the blanket sanctions then in place, buying even conventional
ordnance required guile. "Anyone procuring those kinds of technologies
would have had to be familiar with all kinds of clandestine sources
and networks," says Jean du Preez, who served on South Africa's
Nonproliferation Council in the 1990s and is currently director of the
International Organizations and Nonproliferation Program at the
Monterey Institute of International Studies.

Then, in 1991, Nelson Mandela was released from prison on Robben
Island and Eagle and similar companies found their universe turned
upside down. South Africa held its first democratic elections in 1994
and, with Mandela as president, joined the world community.
International sanctions were lifted. Eagle Technology, accustomed to
life in the shadows, was suddenly operating in the open, governed by
laws of transparency that would be the envy of any Western democracy.

Within the company, Karni was, according to his colleagues, a superior
executive. He'd taught himself the basics of electrical engineering
and developed a familiarity with the worldwide manufacturers of
sophisticated electronic technology. He rose to be the company's top
purchasing officer, bringing in as much as $100,000 a month in new
orders from companies in the United States, Europe, and Israel. He,
like the rest of the company's top executives, flourished. His salary
and commissions amounted to about $10,000 a month, according to his
employment records. He mingled with the Cape Town elite and lived in
Sea Point with his wife and three daughters in a house provided by the
company, rent-free.

Karni's extraordinary slide from those heights to a cell in the
Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, where he is now
incarcerated, began in the fall of 2001, when his coworkers at Eagle
began to sense something amiss. Karni seemed distracted, heading off
for meetings without explanation and spending a lot of time apparently
working but without the results the company was accustomed to seeing.
Given the sensitivity of Eagle's line of work, such behavior elicited
suspicion. The company hired a private detective.

The detective's findings alarmed Eagle's managers: Karni was leaving
work in the middle of the day to meet a recently fired executive
secretary of the company, the 36-year-old, American-born Marisa Kirsh.
Kirsh, the company discovered, was on the lam from the United States,
which she had fled in 1996 with her then 10-year-old son in violation
of a joint custody order with her former husband. She'd left a trail
of arrest warrants and missing-person alerts in South Carolina and
Texas. Eagle subsequently discovered that Karni had helped Kirsh set
up a trading company, which was importing from some of Eagle's own
overseas clients and underbidding Eagle's prices. Furthermore, an
independent company that Karni had created, Top-Cape Technologies, was
contacting those clients and supplying assistance to Kirsh. Karni's
email traffic revealed odd behavior: He'd send messages from his
office at Eagle to his Top-Cape address, then delete them from his
office computer. By October 2002, the company had a dossier of Karni's
outside deals, and had evidence he was competing with Eagle's own
import business. There were hints he was depositing some of the
profits from his sales in offshore accounts. His deals had the
potential to tarnish the company's good standing inside South Africa.
Alan Bearman, Eagle's chief executive, confronted Karni, accused him
of being in competition with his employer, and fired him.

Karni did not seem unduly damaged by this professional setback, at
least judging by his living conditions. He moved his family out of
their Eagle-supplied house and into the much grander Sea Point mansion
on Ocean View Drive.

Had the matter rested there, Karni very likely would have remained
just one more ordinary (albeit self-employed) executive in Cape Town-a
nonentity, certainly, from the point of view of American law
enforcement, and anonymous to the world. But Karni made a fateful
misstep: He challenged his firing. As attorney Bagraim explains: "Up
to that point, nobody really cared what it was that Karni was actually
selling. But rather than just packing up and moving on, he disputed
the grounds for his dismissal. And that's where I got involved."

Michael Bagraim is sturdily built, articulate, and gregarious; he has
the wiliness of a lawyer, and the outgoing ease of a politician-which
he is, in a way. As chairman of the South African Jewish Board of
Deputies, the largest Jewish organization in the country, he
represents the community's political, economic, and cultural interests
in Parliament. He's also one of the country's leading practitioners of
labor law, representing some of South Africa's most prominent
companies. Early in his practice, Bagraim defended individuals
wrongfully dismissed by employers, who in those days needed little
rationale to get rid of unwanted workers. This role, too, was upended
by the collapse of apartheid. In 1995, South Africa's democratic
government passed the Labour Relations Act, intended to reverse the
extreme discrimination and abuse tolerated by the old regime, and
established a new body to mediate labor disputes: the Commission for
Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration, or CCMA. Bagraim now found
himself going before the CCMA to defend companies hit with wrongful-
dismissal claims by fired employees. Karni, being white, white-collar,
and wealthy, was atypical of CCMA claimants. (The crowd camped on
folding chairs awaiting interviews with counselors when I visited the
CCMA offices in March was overwhelmingly black and Indian, and working
class.) When Karni decided to contest the grounds for his dismissal,
Eagle Technology turned to Bagraim.

The hearing commenced in late September 2003. Karni's attorney, Peter
Kantor, argued that his client had done little more than assist a
friend in establishing her business, and that Eagle's desire to get
rid of him was prompted by Karni's own complaints about commissions he
claimed the company owed him. The proceedings concluded in early
October, after Bagraim had cross-examined Karni for four days, with a
settlement in which Karni withdrew his demand for a year's back
salary, and the company apologized for any distress his firing might
have caused.

His distress was just beginning.

The antagonism the labor dispute had engendered between Karni and the
Bearmans had forced open the portals to Karni's business deals through
Top-Cape. Those dealings had been venturing into increasingly
dangerous terrain since Karni's firing. Throughout the summer of 2003,
as Karni prepared to face Eagle in the hearing room, he was
simultaneously negotiating with Pakistani contacts to cement a deal to
supply them with triggered spark gaps. The negotiations were not as
private as Karni presumed.

Even as Michael Bagraim was amassing evidence of past misbehavior,
including reams of old emails pried from Karni's Eagle Technology
computer, Karni's current email correspondence to and from Top-Cape
was being intercepted, and those emails spelled out an ongoing plot
with sinister ramifications. In July and August, some individual who
was surveying Karni's every step-the "anonymous tipster"-began feeding
the plot's details to the U.S. Commerce Department's Office of Export
Enforcement.

Shapiro studying documents

FRONTLINE/World reporter Mark Shapiro studies documents from the Asher
Karni case.
Few people around Karni had access to that information, yet the
identity of the tipster is still a mystery. Was it the police? The
Bearman family? (Alan Bearman refused a request for an on-the-record
interview while I was in Cape Town.) Or was it someone else at Eagle
with the technical expertise to eavesdrop on email traffic? Certainly,
Eagle would derive double benefit from Karni's demise-removing a
competitor from the field and redressing a perceived personal and
professional betrayal. In addition to the benefit of interrupting a
nuclear caper. "I'd like to think it was Eagle," Bagraim told me,
"because it would have been the right thing to do." He added, "It
wasn't me."

The source informed the agents that Karni was attempting to purchase
"between one hundred and four hundred triggered spark gaps... from
PerkinElmer...of Salem, Massachusetts," with the intention of
diverting those items to Pakistan. The tips kept coming, alerting the
Commerce Department to Karni's every move through the fall of
2003.That same fall, Pakistan was about to capture the world's
attention as the most rampantly metastasizing nuclear power. On
October 4, 2003, a German freighter, the BBC China, was intercepted in
the Mediterranean by U.S., Italian, and British agents. In its hold,
they found uranium-enrichment facility parts destined for Libya. The
deal had been arranged by A.Q. Khan, the creator of Pakistan's nuclear
bomb. The discovery blew the lid off Khan's global enterprise, in
which he was marketing sophisticated nuclear technology to Libya,
Iran, and other nations. The trail, as it happens, also led
investigators to South Africa, where they discovered that Khan had
ordered a turnkey enrichment facility, to be built on the outskirts of
Johannesburg, for export directly to Libya. The South African
businessmen involved, Gerhard Wisser and Daniel Geiges, are now
awaiting trial in Johannesburg.

The plot the Americans were uncovering through Karni's email was
operating through separate channels from A.Q. Khan's nuclear arms
bazaar; Karni's buyer was most likely part of Pakistan's own military-
procurement effort. The customer was Humayun Khan (no relation), owner
of an Islamabad-based firm called Pakland that has long been one of
the suppliers to Pakistan's conventional and nuclear weapons programs.
As a Pakistani company, Pakland could purchase some products on the
U=2ES. control list after obtaining a proper export license from the
Commerce Department. A license for 200 triggered spark gaps would
almost certainly have been denied had it been requested. As Jacob
Blackford, a research analyst at the Institute for Science and
International Security (ISIS) in Washington, D.C., puts it: "In terms
of dual-use technology, those triggers are very threatening because
you can directly use them in a weapon. They're a component in a
weapon, like enriched uranium, and Pakistan already has enriched
uranium. At the end of the day, you need both to set off a bomb."

For an international buyer shopping for spark gaps, South Africa is
well positioned as a middleman, thanks to its unique nuclear history,
and thanks to its recent political ascendancy. It has progressed from
a country so suspect that its military procurers were experts in
avoiding export controls to one currently so clean it is not
restricted from importing sensitive technologies. South Africa
decommissioned its nuclear arsenal in 1989; now the United States
places no special controls over exports to the country. Triggered
spark gaps can be exported there for medical uses without the license
that would be required for nuclear powers like Pakistan. Karni's deal
would illuminate a black hole in the current nonproliferation regime:
Because South Africa does not itself produce triggers, there is no law
prohibiting their export from that country. "While attention was
focused on the vulnerabilities of Russian and other nuclear
facilities, a nuclear black market in dual-use machinery was evolving
in South Africa," says David Albright, president of ISIS. Wisser and
Geiges, it turned out, had ties to South Africa's own illicit efforts
to build an atomic bomb, just as Karni had experience in apartheid-era
technology trading.

In the summer of 2003, Karni, judging from his correspondence, was
engaged in arranging an elaborate chain of transactions to move a
large number of triggers to Pakistan.

June 11: Karni, in Cape Town, receives a fax from a company called
Polytec, the French subsidiary of PerkinElmer, stating that he will
need an export license from the United States to fill his order for
spark gaps.
June 12: Karni emails Humayun Khan in Islamabad, forwarding the
Polytec letter and declining to pursue the deal.
June 17: Karni receives Khan's reply: "I know it is difficult but
that's why we came to know each other, please help to renegotiate this
>from any other source. We can give you an end user information as it
is genuinely medical requirement." Nine hours later: Karni sends a two-
word response: "WILL DO."

Karni arranged the deal through a U.S. intermediary in Secaucus, Giza
Technologies, who placed the order from within the United States and
arranged to have the devices sent to South Africa in three shipments
of 66 or 67 triggers each. Karni's office informed Giza that the end
user would be Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto, the biggest public
hospital in Africa. But there was no correspondence indicating that
the hospital had expressed the slightest interest in triggered spark
gaps. In March, Dr. Lloyd Thompson, an urologist there, told me that
the hospital has only one lithotripter in its operating theater. That
one, its first, was purchased in November 2004. Hospital authorities
said they had no idea who Asher Karni was, and had never purchased
anything from him. At any rate, hospitals don't normally order the
devices by the hundreds. According to Daniel Sutherby, spokesman for
PerkinElmer, the most common quantity requested is five or six. (On
Giza's part, Zeki Bilmen, president of the company, told me through a
spokesperson, "We have been cleared and we have no comment.")

August 11: Email from Karni to Humayun Khan affirming that "all is in
place" for the shipment of 200 triggered spark gaps.
October 6: First shipment of 66 triggers arrives in Cape Town by DHL.
October 21: Same triggers arrive in Islamabad via Dubai, by DHL, from
Cape Town.

What neither Karni nor Humayun Khan knew was that the triggers just
received by Pakland were utterly useless for any purpose, peaceful or
warlike. As part of a sting operation orchestrated out of the Commerce
Department, they had been rendered inoperable by PerkinElmer, which
agreed to go through with the transactions Karni requested, using
disabled triggers. Karni's deal had been tracked every step of the
way; now the authorities were ready to close the net.

December 11: A team of investigators from the Crimes Against the State
division of the South African Police Service, accompanied by U.S.
investigators, descends on Karni's home office at Ocean View Drive.

As Karni watched, the police went upstairs to his Top-Cape office and
carted away more reams of computer records and files. He called his
attorney, Peter Kantor, and several days later paid him a visit.
Kantor, who works out of his home in the leafy Cape Town suburb of
Rondebosch, had no sense that his client felt he was in deep trouble,
or was anxious about his upcoming trip to Colorado. He recounts that
Karni never told his wife about the police raid of their home until
after his arrest. "I sat across from him at this table," Kantor told
me as we sat in his study, its wall lined with law books and its door
opening onto a tree-shaded yard. "He didn't seem concerned, and I
said, almost flippantly, =EBAsher, you should talk to the Americans in
Pretoria. Because if there's a problem, then you could just disappear
and never come back.'" Karni, of course, was not a U.S. citizen, and
he had not violated the laws of South Africa, where selling triggered
spark gaps is no crime. Whatever his reasoning, he did not appear to
be concerned that he might have done anything illegal, and he never
called the U.S. Embassy in Pretoria. Kantor, a reflective man, says
now of their final talk: "It is one of those things I've regretted.
Because it stings, thinking of how he must remember that
conversation."

A week after the meeting between Kantor and Karni, the U.S. Attorney's
Office in Washington, D.C., issued a warrant for Karni's arrest, for
violating the Export Administration Act.

Cape Town

Cape Town is nestled against Table Mountain, a major tourist
attraction in South Africa.

Asher Karni's arrest stunned Cape Town. "I felt shock and horror,"
Michael Bagraim says. "It was mind-boggling-how such a devout Jew
could be supplying nuclear triggers for the nuclear weapons of a
staunch Islamic country." Whether or not Karni knew the destructive
potential of those triggers is a question that has split the Jewish
community. "This is a highly intelligent man," Bagraim says. "He had
spent his career in the business of buying very sophisticated
electronic technology. In this field, he was a genius. He is an
efficient trader, and has deep insights into the armaments industry.
If you were to tell me that a widget was some kind of weapon, I
wouldn't know enough to say it was not. But Asher Karni would know."

Others in Israel and America share a faith in his innocence. Yosef
Singer, head of the Young Israel Ezras congregation in Potomac,
Maryland, offered Karni a job teaching Torah if the government would
let him out on bail. He was denied. "Asher was a businessman," says
Rabbi Jonathan Altman, interviewed in the synagogue where he and Karni
worship in Cape Town. "Maybe he did something wrong with some forms.
But the thought that he would sell to a mortal enemy of Israel is
inconceivable. His family is there; his wife is an Israeli; two of his
daughters live there."

Shulamit Karni also finds the accusations preposterous; she says her
husband thought that he was selling medical equipment. Speaking by
phone from her mother's home in Israel, she said that her husband
began selling to Pakistan only two years ago, after the couple watched
President Bush with President Musharraf of Pakistan on CNN,
proclaiming to the world, as she recalled, " =EBWe are now friends, and
we shall cooperate, especially in the medical field.' We thought it
was real."

Peter Kantor says, "If Asher did it, it would go against everything he
believed in." Despite repeated requests to his lawyers, Karni himself
was not made available to be interviewed for this article. But he did
speak for himself publicly, in U.S. District Court, in his first court
appearance, the day after his arrest. Presented with a list of his
alleged crimes and a description of the penalties, and after being
apprised of his rights, he told Judge Patricia A. Coan, "Your
Honor...I would like to make life easy. I...I admit everything,
there's no need to...to go for a long procedures of...."

Coan interrupted him to ask if he were just admitting to his identity.

"My identity and the charges," Karni replied. The court, noting
Karni's lack of a lawyer and reminding him of his right to remain
silent, admonished him to go no further.

Asher Karni has reportedly since pled guilty and is assisting with the
U=2ES. government's investigation. On November 23 last year, after
spending nearly a year in prison, Karni signed a consent decree that
was sent to the Crimes Against the State division in Pretoria. In it,
he agreed to grant access to the financial records of Top-Cape
Technologies, himself, and his wife for 2002 and 2003. In the
meantime, citing findings from the Karni case, the Commerce Department
recently banned Pakland and Humayun Khan from purchasing any items on
the export control list for six months. Contacted by the Los Angeles
Times, Khan claimed the U.S. was selectively enforcing its
nonproliferation laws. "It's all about politics," Khan told the Times.
"If they don't want us to develop these things, they would do
everything they can to stop it.... You [the American government] close
one eye and open the other at particular times to these things that
have been going on." Khan also claimed that somebody else had ordered
the equipment in his name and had seized it en route.

The Karni case raises questions about the use of third-country
conduits for nuclear proliferation, about loopholes in the reporting
of the sales of dual-use items, and about the ability of middleman to
mask dangerous transactions in the cloak of ordinary business. Those
questions pervade the industry. On a gray day in late January, a
hundred or so Silicon Valley technology executives filed into a
ballroom at the Biltmore Hotel off Highway 101 in the bedroom
community of Santa Clara, California. The scene was like any other
gathering of specialists in a suburban hotel: airless, loaded with
lexicon, scattered with porcelain cups of half-finished coffee. The
subject, however, was far from mundane. The U.S. Commerce Department's
Bureau of Industry and Security was making its Northern California
stop for a two-day seminar in Export Control regulations-informing the
assembled salesmen and designers of some of America's most
sophisticated technology how to maneuver through the bureaucracy
established to control the sale of dual-use technology to "the bad
guys," as one Commerce Department official explained to me.

Tensions at that gathering, between the desire for commerce and the
imperatives of security, were palpable. The assembly felt haunted the
specter of Asher Karni, whose strange saga called up all the
ambiguities of the dual-use economy. As Rabbi Altman said of his
former congregant, "If you want to find a terrorist, you can find a
terrorist. If you want to find a businessman, you can find a
businessman." Karni pursued his deal (on which he would have made
about $80,000 profit) on a purely commercial basis, leaving a paper
trail of invoices and bank deposits that, at least on the surface,
look like any other international transactions. "Karni did not use a
gun or some other weapon," reads a motion filed by the U.S.
government. "Karni was able to accomplish the export of the triggered
spark gaps from the United States to Pakistan through the use of
little more than a computer, a modem, and an overseas bank account."

This story was produced in conjunction with MotherJones magazine, and
with additional reporting by Center for Investigative Reporting
correspondent Mads Ellesoe.



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 JEWISH TALENT IS DEATH!
he Middleman

Asher Karni was "a genius" in South Africa's military electronics
trade. Now he's in jail in Brooklyn, accused of orchestrating a
nuclear black market deal.

By Mark Schapiro
March 30, 2005

On New Year's Day 2004, conditions in the Rocky Mountains seemed ideal
for the ski vacation that Asher Karni had long anticipated. Fresh
snowfall had slowed Denver to a cool calm, and the mountain resorts
were bursting with record-breaking crowds. Karni, a 50-year-old,
Hungarian-born Israeli and South African businessman, planned on
staying in the area for three weeks, according to the dates on his
airline tickets, but he never made it to the slopes. As he stepped off
the plane with his wife and a teenage daughter at Denver International
Airport, U.S. Customs agents arrested him on charges of violating
American export laws. Specifically, he was accused of exporting,
without the proper license, quantities of a device known as a
triggered spark gap.

Triggered spark gaps are unremarkable in appearance-each is a cylinder
set atop a four-inch-square black box-and small enough to fit in the
pocket of a raincoat. They emit an intense electrical pulse whose
timing and duration are controlled to the microsecond. Hospitals use
the devices to power lithotripters, which deliver an electrical punch
that pounds kidney stones to dust so they can be expelled from the
body. That, however, is not their only function. Installed into an
enriched uranium casing, a triggered spark gap can ignite a nuclear
explosion. Karni, according to the Justice Department, was in the
middle of a deal exporting 200 of the devices to a buyer who might use
them for just such a purpose. The buyer was Humayun Khan, an Islamabad
businessman with close ties to Pakistan's military and who has been
linked by U.S. government officials to militant Islamic groups, some
of which are suspected to be arming fighters in the Kashmiri conflict.

According to Justice Department spokesman Channing Phillips, the U.S.
government is now pursuing leads "in several countries" as it attempts
to track the extent and nature of Karni's business dealings. But in
March, anonymous law enforcement officials complained to the Los
Angeles Times that the State Department-afraid of offending Pakistan,
its partner in the war on terror-had blocked agents from the Commerce
and Homeland Security departments from pursuing those leads and going
to Pakistan to interview Khan and others. A federal judge sealed
records in the Karni case last September. But legal documents obtained
before then indicate that his transactions reached in two directions
>from the headquarters of his company, Top-Cape Technologies. Karni's
reach extended from Cape Town through a broker in Secaucus, New
Jersey, to the Salem, Massachusetts, laboratories of PerkinElmer
Optoelectronics, a high-technology firm that is one of the world's few
manufacturers of triggered spark gaps. His reach also extended from
Cape Town through Dubai to Islamabad, into the recesses of one of the
world's most dangerous black markets, the international traffic in
"dual-use" nuclear technology.

Dual-use items are those, like triggered spark gaps, that are under
export restrictions because they have both peaceful and weapons
applications. The U.S. Commerce Department subjects these products to
varying degrees of licensing and other controls, and the International
Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) observes their trade as a way of
discerning if an illicit nuclear program is under way. The suspect
roster includes about 3,000 products, from accelerometers (which can
be employed as a guidance system for missiles) to zirconium alloy
tubes (which are used in uranium-enriching centrifuges).

Cape Town

Cape Town is located at the southern tip of Africa.
Aside from actual uranium and other radioactive material, triggered
spark gaps-number 2,641 on the control list-are among the most tightly
restricted items in the world. Producing countries like the United
States permit them to be shipped to nonnuclear countries like South
Africa without a license, but for countries like Pakistan and India,
"rogue" nuclear powers outside the existing nonproliferation system,
shippers must request an export license. Triggered spark gaps can't
survive a nuclear blast, but when installed in lithotripters, they can
fire hundreds of thousands of times, so the demand for new ones is not
great. In the 1990s, when the Iraqi Health Ministry requested small
numbers of the devices for use in several hospitals, the IAEA
confirmed the proper use of every one of them. "The only way for the
Iraqis to get a new trigger," says Mark Gwozdecky, an IAEA spokesman
in Vienna, "was to send back the one they used." The surveillance
system worked, he said, and the agency is confident that none were
diverted to nonmedical purposes.

Critics of the current patchwork of nonproliferation agreements
complain that the system lacks teeth. "None of the regimes are legally
binding," says Seema Gahlaut, a senior research associate at the
Center for International Trade and Security (CITS) at the University
of Georgia, which completed a survey of the nonproliferation system
last fall. "They are more like gentlemen's agreements, based on each
member country's discretion." The system is also stymied by a
reporting loophole. The Nuclear Suppliers Group, an international
coalition to which the United States belongs, asks that its members
report export requests for dual-use items that have been denied. But
it doesn't require the reporting of export requests that have been
approved. According to the Government Accountability Office, in a
report to Congress in 2002, some 45 to 65 percent of denials are never
reported. CITS claims that those numbers have changed little over the
past three years. That, says Gwozdecky, seriously hobbles the agency's
ability to track "which nations are seeking-even unsuccessfully-
technology with potential nuclear application."

But the main weakness in the oversight is the central feature of the
dual-use economy: the overlapping imperatives of commerce and
international security. The global trade in parts for nuclear weapons
is, for the most part, not conducted through secret espionage channels
or along smugglers' routes. It's accomplished through straight-ahead
business deals between companies operating in the open, trading in the
vast commercial gray zone of dual use. The trade is hard to follow and
harder still to regulate. The Commerce Department's control list
comprises some 3 percent of all commodities exported from the United
States, giving industry a powerful incentive to resist strengthened
restrictions.

Ultimately, Karni was tripped up not by the system, but by an odd bit
of serendipity: a mysterious individual who, starting in the summer of
2003, guided investigators along Karni's labyrinthine trail. The
government's complaint against Karni is peppered with references to
the "anonymous source in South Africa" who clued them in to the
"possible diversion of U.S. origin equipment."

Gahlaut says, "I believe there's a fifty-fifty chance the Karni deals
would never have been discovered if it had not been for that anonymous
tipster." In other words, Top-Cape's blizzard of false end-user
certificates, misleading shipping manifests, and concocted usage
rationales might have worked, and a shipment of weaponry-capable spark
gap triggers might have proceeded unquestioned from Salem,
Massachusetts, all the way to Islamabad.

And Karni might have become the latest middleman in a long-simmering
chapter of the nuclear arms race.

The deal that allegedly put Karni's fingerprints on Pakistan's nuclear
ambitions was pieced together in a mansion in the lush Cape Town
neighborhood of Sea Point. The tree-lined enclave-locally referred to,
not always fondly, as "Millionaires' Row"-is among the most exclusive
in the city. The mansion, rising three stories behind a cream-colored
stucco wall on Ocean View Drive, belongs to Asher Karni.

Karni

Asher Karni
For almost two decades, Karni had thrived in Cape Town. In 1985, he
resigned his major's commission with the Israeli army and immigrated
to South Africa to work for a Jewish charity serving the Orthodox
community in Cape Town. Karni's first four years in the country were
spent educating Jewish youth and encouraging them to relocate to
Israel, according to an article the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz
published shortly after his arrest. He became a respected member of
the Beit Midrash congregation, teaching Torah at the synagogue and
conducting services when Rabbi Jonathan Altman was out of town. "He is
a thoroughly honest, hardworking and responsible person," South
Africa's chief rabbi, C.K. Harris, wrote to the court after Karni's
arrest. "He enjoys a very good reputation in the Cape Town community,
both Jewish and general."

In 1989, Karni left his official religious duties to take a job with
Eagle Technology, a firm owned and run by one of Cape Town's leading
families, Alan and Diana Bearman and their son, Nathan. With an M.B.A.
>from an Israeli university, and his military background, Karni was a
good fit for the job. Eagle Technology has a storefront off Green
Market Square in downtown Cape Town, where it sells to the public high-
tech spying devices like surveillance video systems and recording
machines; an adjacent outlet, Eagle Appliances, sells espresso makers,
electric radiators, and other consumer electronics. But the real
action goes on upstairs, where Eagle plies a more serious trade. It
specializes in obtaining sophisticated electronic, optical, and other
sensitive equipment, originally for the South African military during
the long years of the country's apartheid government, and now for a
wide variety of clients in the "new" South Africa. These items became
Karni's specialty.

When Karni joined the company, South Africa's apartheid government was
operating under severe international sanctions, making the country a
smugglers' paradise. Everything from rifles to ammunition to missile
casings had to be obtained on the black market. Importers learned the
circumlocutions necessary to evade foreign prohibitions on exports to
South Africa.

"We had a government then of vipers," says Michael Bagraim, a Cape
Town attorney who would play a large role in Karni's fate, "and
companies did what they had to in order to obtain equipment for the
military." Eagle had no connection to the country's illicit nuclear
program; its work was exclusively for the conventional armed forces.
But with the blanket sanctions then in place, buying even conventional
ordnance required guile. "Anyone procuring those kinds of technologies
would have had to be familiar with all kinds of clandestine sources
and networks," says Jean du Preez, who served on South Africa's
Nonproliferation Council in the 1990s and is currently director of the
International Organizations and Nonproliferation Program at the
Monterey Institute of International Studies.

Then, in 1991, Nelson Mandela was released from prison on Robben
Island and Eagle and similar companies found their universe turned
upside down. South Africa held its first democratic elections in 1994
and, with Mandela as president, joined the world community.
International sanctions were lifted. Eagle Technology, accustomed to
life in the shadows, was suddenly operating in the open, governed by
laws of transparency that would be the envy of any Western democracy.

Within the company, Karni was, according to his colleagues, a superior
executive. He'd taught himself the basics of electrical engineering
and developed a familiarity with the worldwide manufacturers of
sophisticated electronic technology. He rose to be the company's top
purchasing officer, bringing in as much as $100,000 a month in new
orders from companies in the United States, Europe, and Israel. He,
like the rest of the company's top executives, flourished. His salary
and commissions amounted to about $10,000 a month, according to his
employment records. He mingled with the Cape Town elite and lived in
Sea Point with his wife and three daughters in a house provided by the
company, rent-free.

Karni's extraordinary slide from those heights to a cell in the
Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, where he is now
incarcerated, began in the fall of 2001, when his coworkers at Eagle
began to sense something amiss. Karni seemed distracted, heading off
for meetings without explanation and spending a lot of time apparently
working but without the results the company was accustomed to seeing.
Given the sensitivity of Eagle's line of work, such behavior elicited
suspicion. The company hired a private detective.

The detective's findings alarmed Eagle's managers: Karni was leaving
work in the middle of the day to meet a recently fired executive
secretary of the company, the 36-year-old, American-born Marisa Kirsh.
Kirsh, the company discovered, was on the lam from the United States,
which she had fled in 1996 with her then 10-year-old son in violation
of a joint custody order with her former husband. She'd left a trail
of arrest warrants and missing-person alerts in South Carolina and
Texas. Eagle subsequently discovered that Karni had helped Kirsh set
up a trading company, which was importing from some of Eagle's own
overseas clients and underbidding Eagle's prices. Furthermore, an
independent company that Karni had created, Top-Cape Technologies, was
contacting those clients and supplying assistance to Kirsh. Karni's
email traffic revealed odd behavior: He'd send messages from his
office at Eagle to his Top-Cape address, then delete them from his
office computer. By October 2002, the company had a dossier of Karni's
outside deals, and had evidence he was competing with Eagle's own
import business. There were hints he was depositing some of the
profits from his sales in offshore accounts. His deals had the
potential to tarnish the company's good standing inside South Africa.
Alan Bearman, Eagle's chief executive, confronted Karni, accused him
of being in competition with his employer, and fired him.

Karni did not seem unduly damaged by this professional setback, at
least judging by his living conditions. He moved his family out of
their Eagle-supplied house and into the much grander Sea Point mansion
on Ocean View Drive.

Had the matter rested there, Karni very likely would have remained
just one more ordinary (albeit self-employed) executive in Cape Town-a
nonentity, certainly, from the point of view of American law
enforcement, and anonymous to the world. But Karni made a fateful
misstep: He challenged his firing. As attorney Bagraim explains: "Up
to that point, nobody really cared what it was that Karni was actually
selling. But rather than just packing up and moving on, he disputed
the grounds for his dismissal. And that's where I got involved."

Michael Bagraim is sturdily built, articulate, and gregarious; he has
the wiliness of a lawyer, and the outgoing ease of a politician-which
he is, in a way. As chairman of the South African Jewish Board of
Deputies, the largest Jewish organization in the country, he
represents the community's political, economic, and cultural interests
in Parliament. He's also one of the country's leading practitioners of
labor law, representing some of South Africa's most prominent
companies. Early in his practice, Bagraim defended individuals
wrongfully dismissed by employers, who in those days needed little
rationale to get rid of unwanted workers. This role, too, was upended
by the collapse of apartheid. In 1995, South Africa's democratic
government passed the Labour Relations Act, intended to reverse the
extreme discrimination and abuse tolerated by the old regime, and
established a new body to mediate labor disputes: the Commission for
Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration, or CCMA. Bagraim now found
himself going before the CCMA to defend companies hit with wrongful-
dismissal claims by fired employees. Karni, being white, white-collar,
and wealthy, was atypical of CCMA claimants. (The crowd camped on
folding chairs awaiting interviews with counselors when I visited the
CCMA offices in March was overwhelmingly black and Indian, and working
class.) When Karni decided to contest the grounds for his dismissal,
Eagle Technology turned to Bagraim.

The hearing commenced in late September 2003. Karni's attorney, Peter
Kantor, argued that his client had done little more than assist a
friend in establishing her business, and that Eagle's desire to get
rid of him was prompted by Karni's own complaints about commissions he
claimed the company owed him. The proceedings concluded in early
October, after Bagraim had cross-examined Karni for four days, with a
settlement in which Karni withdrew his demand for a year's back
salary, and the company apologized for any distress his firing might
have caused.

His distress was just beginning.

The antagonism the labor dispute had engendered between Karni and the
Bearmans had forced open the portals to Karni's business deals through
Top-Cape. Those dealings had been venturing into increasingly
dangerous terrain since Karni's firing. Throughout the summer of 2003,
as Karni prepared to face Eagle in the hearing room, he was
simultaneously negotiating with Pakistani contacts to cement a deal to
supply them with triggered spark gaps. The negotiations were not as
private as Karni presumed.

Even as Michael Bagraim was amassing evidence of past misbehavior,
including reams of old emails pried from Karni's Eagle Technology
computer, Karni's current email correspondence to and from Top-Cape
was being intercepted, and those emails spelled out an ongoing plot
with sinister ramifications. In July and August, some individual who
was surveying Karni's every step-the "anonymous tipster"-began feeding
the plot's details to the U.S. Commerce Department's Office of Export
Enforcement.

Shapiro studying documents

FRONTLINE/World reporter Mark Shapiro studies documents from the Asher
Karni case.
Few people around Karni had access to that information, yet the
identity of the tipster is still a mystery. Was it the police? The
Bearman family? (Alan Bearman refused a request for an on-the-record
interview while I was in Cape Town.) Or was it someone else at Eagle
with the technical expertise to eavesdrop on email traffic? Certainly,
Eagle would derive double benefit from Karni's demise-removing a
competitor from the field and redressing a perceived personal and
professional betrayal. In addition to the benefit of interrupting a
nuclear caper. "I'd like to think it was Eagle," Bagraim told me,
"because it would have been the right thing to do." He added, "It
wasn't me."

The source informed the agents that Karni was attempting to purchase
"between one hundred and four hundred triggered spark gaps... from
PerkinElmer...of Salem, Massachusetts," with the intention of
diverting those items to Pakistan. The tips kept coming, alerting the
Commerce Department to Karni's every move through the fall of
2003.That same fall, Pakistan was about to capture the world's
attention as the most rampantly metastasizing nuclear power. On
October 4, 2003, a German freighter, the BBC China, was intercepted in
the Mediterranean by U.S., Italian, and British agents. In its hold,
they found uranium-enrichment facility parts destined for Libya. The
deal had been arranged by A.Q. Khan, the creator of Pakistan's nuclear
bomb. The discovery blew the lid off Khan's global enterprise, in
which he was marketing sophisticated nuclear technology to Libya,
Iran, and other nations. The trail, as it happens, also led
investigators to South Africa, where they discovered that Khan had
ordered a turnkey enrichment facility, to be built on the outskirts of
Johannesburg, for export directly to Libya. The South African
businessmen involved, Gerhard Wisser and Daniel Geiges, are now
awaiting trial in Johannesburg.

The plot the Americans were uncovering through Karni's email was
operating through separate channels from A.Q. Khan's nuclear arms
bazaar; Karni's buyer was most likely part of Pakistan's own military-
procurement effort. The customer was Humayun Khan (no relation), owner
of an Islamabad-based firm called Pakland that has long been one of
the suppliers to Pakistan's conventional and nuclear weapons programs.
As a Pakistani company, Pakland could purchase some products on the
U=2ES. control list after obtaining a proper export license from the
Commerce Department. A license for 200 triggered spark gaps would
almost certainly have been denied had it been requested. As Jacob
Blackford, a research analyst at the Institute for Science and
International Security (ISIS) in Washington, D.C., puts it: "In terms
of dual-use technology, those triggers are very threatening because
you can directly use them in a weapon. They're a component in a
weapon, like enriched uranium, and Pakistan already has enriched
uranium. At the end of the day, you need both to set off a bomb."

For an international buyer shopping for spark gaps, South Africa is
well positioned as a middleman, thanks to its unique nuclear history,
and thanks to its recent political ascendancy. It has progressed from
a country so suspect that its military procurers were experts in
avoiding export controls to one currently so clean it is not
restricted from importing sensitive technologies. South Africa
decommissioned its nuclear arsenal in 1989; now the United States
places no special controls over exports to the country. Triggered
spark gaps can be exported there for medical uses without the license
that would be required for nuclear powers like Pakistan. Karni's deal
would illuminate a black hole in the current nonproliferation regime:
Because South Africa does not itself produce triggers, there is no law
prohibiting their export from that country. "While attention was
focused on the vulnerabilities of Russian and other nuclear
facilities, a nuclear black market in dual-use machinery was evolving
in South Africa," says David Albright, president of ISIS. Wisser and
Geiges, it turned out, had ties to South Africa's own illicit efforts
to build an atomic bomb, just as Karni had experience in apartheid-era
technology trading.

In the summer of 2003, Karni, judging from his correspondence, was
engaged in arranging an elaborate chain of transactions to move a
large number of triggers to Pakistan.

June 11: Karni, in Cape Town, receives a fax from a company called
Polytec, the French subsidiary of PerkinElmer, stating that he will
need an export license from the United States to fill his order for
spark gaps.
June 12: Karni emails Humayun Khan in Islamabad, forwarding the
Polytec letter and declining to pursue the deal.
June 17: Karni receives Khan's reply: "I know it is difficult but
that's why we came to know each other, please help to renegotiate this
>from any other source. We can give you an end user information as it
is genuinely medical requirement." Nine hours later: Karni sends a two-
word response: "WILL DO."

Karni arranged the deal through a U.S. intermediary in Secaucus, Giza
Technologies, who placed the order from within the United States and
arranged to have the devices sent to South Africa in three shipments
of 66 or 67 triggers each. Karni's office informed Giza that the end
user would be Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto, the biggest public
hospital in Africa. But there was no correspondence indicating that
the hospital had expressed the slightest interest in triggered spark
gaps. In March, Dr. Lloyd Thompson, an urologist there, told me that
the hospital has only one lithotripter in its operating theater. That
one, its first, was purchased in November 2004. Hospital authorities
said they had no idea who Asher Karni was, and had never purchased
anything from him. At any rate, hospitals don't normally order the
devices by the hundreds. According to Daniel Sutherby, spokesman for
PerkinElmer, the most common quantity requested is five or six. (On
Giza's part, Zeki Bilmen, president of the company, told me through a
spokesperson, "We have been cleared and we have no comment.")

August 11: Email from Karni to Humayun Khan affirming that "all is in
place" for the shipment of 200 triggered spark gaps.
October 6: First shipment of 66 triggers arrives in Cape Town by DHL.
October 21: Same triggers arrive in Islamabad via Dubai, by DHL, from
Cape Town.

What neither Karni nor Humayun Khan knew was that the triggers just
received by Pakland were utterly useless for any purpose, peaceful or
warlike. As part of a sting operation orchestrated out of the Commerce
Department, they had been rendered inoperable by PerkinElmer, which
agreed to go through with the transactions Karni requested, using
disabled triggers. Karni's deal had been tracked every step of the
way; now the authorities were ready to close the net.

December 11: A team of investigators from the Crimes Against the State
division of the South African Police Service, accompanied by U.S.
investigators, descends on Karni's home office at Ocean View Drive.

As Karni watched, the police went upstairs to his Top-Cape office and
carted away more reams of computer records and files. He called his
attorney, Peter Kantor, and several days later paid him a visit.
Kantor, who works out of his home in the leafy Cape Town suburb of
Rondebosch, had no sense that his client felt he was in deep trouble,
or was anxious about his upcoming trip to Colorado. He recounts that
Karni never told his wife about the police raid of their home until
after his arrest. "I sat across from him at this table," Kantor told
me as we sat in his study, its wall lined with law books and its door
opening onto a tree-shaded yard. "He didn't seem concerned, and I
said, almost flippantly, =EBAsher, you should talk to the Americans in
Pretoria. Because if there's a problem, then you could just disappear
and never come back.'" Karni, of course, was not a U.S. citizen, and
he had not violated the laws of South Africa, where selling triggered
spark gaps is no crime. Whatever his reasoning, he did not appear to
be concerned that he might have done anything illegal, and he never
called the U.S. Embassy in Pretoria. Kantor, a reflective man, says
now of their final talk: "It is one of those things I've regretted.
Because it stings, thinking of how he must remember that
conversation."

A week after the meeting between Kantor and Karni, the U.S. Attorney's
Office in Washington, D.C., issued a warrant for Karni's arrest, for
violating the Export Administration Act.

Cape Town

Cape Town is nestled against Table Mountain, a major tourist
attraction in South Africa.

Asher Karni's arrest stunned Cape Town. "I felt shock and horror,"
Michael Bagraim says. "It was mind-boggling-how such a devout Jew
could be supplying nuclear triggers for the nuclear weapons of a
staunch Islamic country." Whether or not Karni knew the destructive
potential of those triggers is a question that has split the Jewish
community. "This is a highly intelligent man," Bagraim says. "He had
spent his career in the business of buying very sophisticated
electronic technology. In this field, he was a genius. He is an
efficient trader, and has deep insights into the armaments industry.
If you were to tell me that a widget was some kind of weapon, I
wouldn't know enough to say it was not. But Asher Karni would know."

Others in Israel and America share a faith in his innocence. Yosef
Singer, head of the Young Israel Ezras congregation in Potomac,
Maryland, offered Karni a job teaching Torah if the government would
let him out on bail. He was denied. "Asher was a businessman," says
Rabbi Jonathan Altman, interviewed in the synagogue where he and Karni
worship in Cape Town. "Maybe he did something wrong with some forms.
But the thought that he would sell to a mortal enemy of Israel is
inconceivable. His family is there; his wife is an Israeli; two of his
daughters live there."

Shulamit Karni also finds the accusations preposterous; she says her
husband thought that he was selling medical equipment. Speaking by
phone from her mother's home in Israel, she said that her husband
began selling to Pakistan only two years ago, after the couple watched
President Bush with President Musharraf of Pakistan on CNN,
proclaiming to the world, as she recalled, " =EBWe are now friends, and
we shall cooperate, especially in the medical field.' We thought it
was real."

Peter Kantor says, "If Asher did it, it would go against everything he
believed in." Despite repeated requests to his lawyers, Karni himself
was not made available to be interviewed for this article. But he did
speak for himself publicly, in U.S. District Court, in his first court
appearance, the day after his arrest. Presented with a list of his
alleged crimes and a description of the penalties, and after being
apprised of his rights, he told Judge Patricia A. Coan, "Your
Honor...I would like to make life easy. I...I admit everything,
there's no need to...to go for a long procedures of...."

Coan interrupted him to ask if he were just admitting to his identity.

"My identity and the charges," Karni replied. The court, noting
Karni's lack of a lawyer and reminding him of his right to remain
silent, admonished him to go no further.

Asher Karni has reportedly since pled guilty and is assisting with the
U=2ES. government's investigation. On November 23 last year, after
spending nearly a year in prison, Karni signed a consent decree that
was sent to the Crimes Against the State division in Pretoria. In it,
he agreed to grant access to the financial records of Top-Cape
Technologies, himself, and his wife for 2002 and 2003. In the
meantime, citing findings from the Karni case, the Commerce Department
recently banned Pakland and Humayun Khan from purchasing any items on
the export control list for six months. Contacted by the Los Angeles
Times, Khan claimed the U.S. was selectively enforcing its
nonproliferation laws. "It's all about politics," Khan told the Times.
"If they don't want us to develop these things, they would do
everything they can to stop it.... You [the American government] close
one eye and open the other at particular times to these things that
have been going on." Khan also claimed that somebody else had ordered
the equipment in his name and had seized it en route.

The Karni case raises questions about the use of third-country
conduits for nuclear proliferation, about loopholes in the reporting
of the sales of dual-use items, and about the ability of middleman to
mask dangerous transactions in the cloak of ordinary business. Those
questions pervade the industry. On a gray day in late January, a
hundred or so Silicon Valley technology executives filed into a
ballroom at the Biltmore Hotel off Highway 101 in the bedroom
community of Santa Clara, California. The scene was like any other
gathering of specialists in a suburban hotel: airless, loaded with
lexicon, scattered with porcelain cups of half-finished coffee. The
subject, however, was far from mundane. The U.S. Commerce Department's
Bureau of Industry and Security was making its Northern California
stop for a two-day seminar in Export Control regulations-informing the
assembled salesmen and designers of some of America's most
sophisticated technology how to maneuver through the bureaucracy
established to control the sale of dual-use technology to "the bad
guys," as one Commerce Department official explained to me.

Tensions at that gathering, between the desire for commerce and the
imperatives of security, were palpable. The assembly felt haunted the
specter of Asher Karni, whose strange saga called up all the
ambiguities of the dual-use economy. As Rabbi Altman said of his
former congregant, "If you want to find a terrorist, you can find a
terrorist. If you want to find a businessman, you can find a
businessman." Karni pursued his deal (on which he would have made
about $80,000 profit) on a purely commercial basis, leaving a paper
trail of invoices and bank deposits that, at least on the surface,
look like any other international transactions. "Karni did not use a
gun or some other weapon," reads a motion filed by the U.S.
government. "Karni was able to accomplish the export of the triggered
spark gaps from the United States to Pakistan through the use of
little more than a computer, a modem, and an overseas bank account."

This story was produced in conjunction with MotherJones magazine, and
with additional reporting by Center for Investigative Reporting
correspondent Mads Ellesoe.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: IF AMERICA KNEW WHAT JEWS ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY
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On Feb 2, 5:15 am, "B'inyamin Cramer"
 wrote:
> "Michael Ejercito"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170257656.277437.127800@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 9:48 pm, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> >> On 30 Jan 2007 21:23:25 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >On Jan 30, 11:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> >> >> >    I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> >> >> > are not SCARED.
>
> >> >> >  Michael
>
> >> >> "SCARED" OF WHAT? YOU? YOU CAN SUCK IT ANY TIME YOU WISH
>
> >> >   It is amazing that your Nazi pals can post maps and directions to
> >> >someone's house, and yet never show up.
>
> >> And when Micky "Mouth" Ben-Tovim showed up at Venceremos' place of
> >> work, all he did (according to the newspaper report) was peer at it
> >> through his car window.  Such a jew b'ravado already!
>
> >   He is not a lawbreaker; at least he showed up.
>
> In his pretend Ferrari already.
>
> Such a liar is Mickey "Mouth" ben Tovim.
>
>
>
> > Michael

Ferraris are no status symbol in Florida. My neighbor sells them from
7K up.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: STOP THE TORTURE OF SAMI EL ARIAN! HE IS INNOCENT!
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On Feb 3, 6:10 am, AnonMoos  wrote:
> "Venceremos" 
>
> >On Feb 1, 7:30 pm, AnonMoos wrote:
> >> Whatever, dude -- Sami Al-Arian might never have done much to support
> >> particular terrorist acts personally and directly, but he associated
> >> very closely with many shady characters, and in the support networks
> >> of terrorist groups in a lot of ways, and it's hard to feel much
> >> sympathy for him until he stops lying and tells what he actually
> >> knows.  For example, after ten whole years, Sami al-Arian has STILL
> >> never been able to provide any remotely satisfactory explanation for
> >> the indisputable fact that he personally handpicked one Ramadan
> >> Abdullah Shallah and sponsored his entry to the United States to work
> >> closely with him in his various groups and "think tanks"; but when the
> >> original thug leader of the "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" terrorist
> >> group was offed in 1995, Ramadan Abdullah Shallah immediately took it
> >> on the lam and popped up in Damascus as the new PIJ gang boss!!!
> > It is not a crime to associate with anyone,
>
> It isn't in most circumstances (with certain exceptions, such as
> sheltering a fugitive), but when I speculated that he might not have
> done much to support specific terrorist acts personally and directly,
> I wasn't conceding that he hadn't violated any U.S. laws -- in fact,
> quite the contrary!  Broad and general support for a terrorist
> organization can be a crime under U.S. law.  Meanwhile, Al-Arian got
> himself in trouble mainly by choosing not to tell what he knows.  (He
> also seems to have gotten up the nose of his trial judge, which is
> rarely a wise maneuver.)
>
> As I said, Sami Al-Arian faces a pretty simple choice -- he can stop
> lying and tell what he knows, or he can face the prospect of being
> deported after his criminal sentence of imprisonment runs out.  The
> decision is up to him...
>
There is such a thing as a Fifth Amendment, which protects people from
testifying against themselves. Besides, what is terrorism? To me
terrorism is the Jewish machinations into the US government affairs
and clandestine influnce of our democratic administration. Thus it
follows that AIPAC is the worst terrorist organization in United
States




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: IT IS CALLED ARMAGEDON
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On Feb 3, 3:42 pm, sir.jeanpaul-turc...@neuf.fr wrote:
> On 3 f=E9v, 08:44, The Highlander  wrote:
>
> >  Ewen MacAskill in Washington
> > Saturday February 3, 2007
> > The Guardian
> > The US intelligence services yesterday admitted for the first time
> > that the violence in Iraq constituted a "civil war".
>
> Hi, Lander,
>
> The key to the end of  Iraq Civil war,  as your rightly assess it is,
> is in Iran & Syria !
>
> The Right Hon. George Bush,  President Elect of the United States of
> America,  as well as the Right Hon; Tony Blair, Prime Minister of
> Angleterre & other lands,   as well as the Right Hon. John Howard
> Prime Minister of Australia as well as The Great Rabbi of Jerusalem
> have reached a common understanding on such situation,  and have
> resolved to bring it remedy !
>
> The operations of the  Peace Keeping Forces Coalition in Iraq will be
> then soon extended with great enthusiasm & determination to Teheran,
> Damascus  as well as to some other of less importance locations.
>
> It appears the Iranians nor the Syrians nor a few other people and
> for
> some obscure reasons I do not understand,  DO welcome such
> initiative ... but of course they will no choice since Peace must
> prevail at the end, and as a London surgeon used to say :
>
> QUOTE
> A matured boil must be ripped open without hesitation, before being
> treated and the patient 's life saved
> UNQUOTE
>
> In this case the patient seems all Mankind.
>
> It looks to me those Great Leaders have got the whole situation under
> full control
>
> Now,  sit back and relax, dear Lander,  and watch events unfolding
> The show has already got its name :
>
> IT 'S CALLED ARMAGEDON !!!
>
> With best regards
>
> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
> Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
> Mobile +33 650 171 464
>
> Australia Mining Pioneer
> Founder of the True Geologyhttp://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.htmlhtt=
p://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.htmlhttp://members.iimetro.com.au/~hu=
bbca/turcaud.htmhttp://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm

And for a minute I thought that George Bush was the only maniac in the
world!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: RAPES AND TORTURE CONTINUE IN ABU GHRAIB, JUST NO CAMERAS!
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On Feb 3, 3:43 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 9:06 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > Publication time: 2 February 2007, 23:47
>
> Please provide the url for this.
>
>
>
> > During the trial of Pfc. Lynndie England, now doing three years in a
> > military prison for her part in the Abu Ghraib prison war crimes, she
> > was asked if there were other things that happened at Abu Ghraib,
> > things that were not photographed, she said, "Yes." When asked if
> > there were worse things that happened, she again said "Yes," but would
> > not elaborate.
>
> > While testifying before a Senate panel on May 7, 2004, the now
> > discredited Donald Rumsfeld confirmed that certain videotapes and
> > photographs of the horrific sexual tortures at Abu Ghraib have yet to
> > be released. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's
> > going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld admitted.
>
> > What do these not yet released videotapes and photographs show? The
> > answer is now slowly but surely surfacing as people who know are
> > beginning to talk. The truth about these videotapes and photographs in
> > the Pentagon's custody is more horrific than anything made public so
> > far.
>
> > The videotapes and photographs that have not yet been made public
> > depict, according to former Abu Ghraib prisoners, bestial US
> > intelligence interrogators and military police personnel raping and
> > sodomizing Iraqi children as young as 11 years old. Some of the new
> > information became known this week when a former Abu Ghraib prison
> > guard posted a video on YouTube.Com confessing to the repeated gang
> > rape of a 15 year old Iraqi girl in custody. The video at http://
> > youtube.com/v/HZuaiZr6YBU was promptly removed after it was making the
> > rounds on the Internet but a transcript survived. The following is a
> > transcript of the most relevant sections:
>
> > Voice of the guard at Abu Ghraib and another person is heard
>
> > ....girl, she was probably like 15 years old. Yeah, she was hot dude.
> > The body on that girl, yeah, really tight. You know, hadn't been
> > touched yet. She was fucking prime. So....
>
> > +
>
> > One of the guys started pimping her out for 50 bucks a shot. I think
> > at the end of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung
> > herself.
>
> > Really?
>
> > Yeah. (laugh)
>
> > She hung herself? How's come she hung herself?
>
> > I don't know. She wasn't happy. (laugh)
>
> > +
>
> > In their culture, it's really shunned upon if you get raped. I guess
> > she would have been stoned to death by her people. It's fucked up.
>
> > She was fucked anyway, I guess. In more ways than one.
>
> > (more laughing)
>
> > +
>
> > You didn't get shit from the CO, did you?
>
> > No, not until those fucking pictures came out. After then the biggest
> > rule was no fucking cameras.
>
> > +
>
> > End of Transcript
>
> > The information on the above videotape is collaborated by Pulitzer
> > Prize winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. He has
> > maintained that the Pentagon has videotapes of boys being sodomized at
> > Abu Ghraib prison. "The worst is the soundtrack of the boys
> > shrieking," Hersh said. Seymore Hersh first gained worldwide
> > recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai massacre and its cover-up
> > during the Vietnam War.
>
> > More collaborative statements concerning the sexual torture of
> > children at Abu Ghraib have been made by the surviving prisoners
> > themselves. The following is an excerpt from a statement provided by
> > Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee #151108, on January 18 2004:
>
> > "I saw name deleted fucking a kid, his age would be about 15 years.
> > The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with
> > sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on
> > top it wasn't covered and I saw name deleted who was wearing the
> > military uniform putting his dick in the little kid's ass. I couldn't
> > see the face of the kid because his face wasn't in front of the door.
> > And a female soldier was taking pictures. The sodomizer name deleted,
> > I think he is deleted because of his accent, and he was not skinny or
> > short, and he acted like a homosexual (gay). And that was in cell #23
> > as best as I remember."
>
> > The following is another testimony of sexual torture of Iraqi children
> > from a statement provided by Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee 150427, on
> > January 17, 2004:
>
> > "I saw lots of people naked for a few days getting punished in the
> > first days of Ramadan. They came with two boys naked and they were
> > cuffed together face to face and Grainer was beating them and a group
> > of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and
> > there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The
> > prisoners, two of them, were children. I don't know their names."
>
> > One of the most horrific incidents at Abu Ghraib is told by a 16 year
> > old Iraqi girl in her own words. Nadia, in tears, narrated her story:
>
> > "I was visiting one of my relatives, and suddenly the American forces
> > attacked the home and started to inspect it. They found some light
> > weapons. So, they arrested all people in the home including me. I
> > tried to explain to the interpreter, who was accompanying the American
> > patrol, that I am just a visitor. However, my trials failed. I cried,
> > begged them, and I lost consciousness from fear when they took me to
> > Abu Ghraib prison.
>
> > Nadia continues "they put me alone in a dark and dirty prison cell. I
> > expected that I will be released soon, especially when the
> > investigation proved that I hadn't committed a crime"
>
> > Nadia elaborated while tears poured down her cheek, a telling sign of
> > just how much she has suffered.
>
> > "The first day was so burdensome. The cell was malodorous, humid and
> > dark, and this condition increased the fear inside me more and more.
> > The laughs of the soldier outside the cell made me even more scared. I
> > was afraid of what would happen to me. For the first time I felt that
> > I was in a difficult gridlock and that I had entered an unknown world
> > that I would not get out of.
>
> > In the middle of these different feelings, I heard a voice for an
> > American soldier woman who was speaking in an Arabic language. She
> > said to me: "I didn't imagine that the weapons' traders in Iraq are
> > women." When I started to explain to her the circumstances of the
> > situation, she beat me cruelly. I cried and shouted "By Allah! I am
> > oppressed, By Allah! I am oppressed"
>
> > The soldier showered me with insults in a way that I have never
> > thought possible or that I would ever be subjected to under any
> > circumstances. Then, she started to deride me saying that she was
> > monitoring me all the day via the satellite, and that they can track
> > their enemies even inside their own bedrooms by American technology.
>
> > Then she laughed and said: "I was watching you when you were making
> > love with your husband." I replied in a confused voice "But I am not
> > married".
>
> > She beat me for more than one an hour and she forced me to drink a
> > glass of water, and I knew later that they put a drug in it. I
> > regained my consciousness after two days to find myself naked. I knew
> > immediately that I have lost something that all the laws in the earth
> > will not be able to return it to me once again. I had been raped. A
> > hysterical fit attacked me and I started to hit my head violently
> > against the walls till more than five American soldiers head by that
> > soldier women entered the cell and started to beat me, and they raped
> > me alternately while they laughing and listening to a loud music.
>
> > Day by day the scenario of raping me was repeated. And every day they
> > invent new ways that are crueler than the prior ways."
>
> > She went on describing the horrible acts of the American criminals:
>
> > "After about one month, a Negro soldier entered my cell and threw me
> > two pieces of American military clothes. He said in weak Arabic
> > language to wear them. After he put a black bag on my head, he led me
> > to a public toilet where there are pipes for cold and hot water and he
> > asked me to bathe. He then closed the door and left.
>
> > I was so exhausted and feeling pain, and despite the tremendous number
> > of the bruises in my body, I poured out some water on my body. Before
> > I finish my bath, the Negro soldier came in. I frightened, and I hit
> > him in the face with the water bowl. His reaction was so tough. He
> > raped me cruelly and spit on my face, then he left and returned with
> > two soldiers who returned me to the cell.
>
> > The treatment continued that way, to the extent that sometimes I was
> > raped ten times in a day, the matter which affected my health
> > negatively."
>
> > Nadia continued in revealing the American horrible actions made
> > against the Iraqi women, saying:
>
> > "After more than 4 months, a woman soldier woman came, and I concluded
> > from her conversation with other soldiers that her name is Mary. She
> > said to me "now you have a golden opportunity, since an officer who
> > has a high position will visit us today, if you deal with him
> > positively, you would be released, especially because we are sure you
> > are innocent."
>
> > I replied, "If you are sure of I am innocent, why you don't release
> > me?"
>
> > She screamed in nervousness, "The only way that guarantees your
> > releasing is to be positive with them."
>
> > She took me to the public toilets, and she supervised my bath while
> > she was holding a thick stick, hitting me by it if I didn't perform
> > her orders. Then, she gave me makeup, and warned me not to cry and
> > ruin my makeup. Then she took me to an empty small room where there
> > was nothing but a cover on the floor, and after one an hour she came
> > accompanied with four soldiers who was holding cameras. She took off
> > her clothes and she harassed me as if she was a man. The soldiers were
> > laughing and listening to a noisy music, and taking photographs to me
> > in all poses, and they were emphasizing on my face. The woman asked me
> > to smile otherwise she is going to kill me, and she took a gun from
> > one of her colleagues and fired four bullets near
>
> ...
>
> read more =BB

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/117320



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: RAPES AND TORTURE CONTINUE IN ABU GHRAIB, JUST NO CAMERAS!
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On Feb 3, 4:42 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 3:43 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 9:06 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > Publication time: 2 February 2007, 23:47
>
> > Please provide the url for this.
>
> > > During the trial of Pfc. Lynndie England, now doing three years in a
> > > military prison for her part in the Abu Ghraib prison war crimes, she
> > > was asked if there were other things that happened at Abu Ghraib,
> > > things that were not photographed, she said, "Yes." When asked if
> > > there were worse things that happened, she again said "Yes," but would
> > > not elaborate.
>
> > > While testifying before a Senate panel on May 7, 2004, the now
> > > discredited Donald Rumsfeld confirmed that certain videotapes and
> > > photographs of the horrific sexual tortures at Abu Ghraib have yet to
> > > be released. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's
> > > going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld admitted.
>
> > > What do these not yet released videotapes and photographs show? The
> > > answer is now slowly but surely surfacing as people who know are
> > > beginning to talk. The truth about these videotapes and photographs in
> > > the Pentagon's custody is more horrific than anything made public so
> > > far.
>
> > > The videotapes and photographs that have not yet been made public
> > > depict, according to former Abu Ghraib prisoners, bestial US
> > > intelligence interrogators and military police personnel raping and
> > > sodomizing Iraqi children as young as 11 years old. Some of the new
> > > information became known this week when a former Abu Ghraib prison
> > > guard posted a video on YouTube.Com confessing to the repeated gang
> > > rape of a 15 year old Iraqi girl in custody. The video at http://
> > > youtube.com/v/HZuaiZr6YBU was promptly removed after it was making the
> > > rounds on the Internet but a transcript survived. The following is a
> > > transcript of the most relevant sections:
>
> > > Voice of the guard at Abu Ghraib and another person is heard
>
> > > ....girl, she was probably like 15 years old. Yeah, she was hot dude.
> > > The body on that girl, yeah, really tight. You know, hadn't been
> > > touched yet. She was fucking prime. So....
>
> > > +
>
> > > One of the guys started pimping her out for 50 bucks a shot. I think
> > > at the end of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung
> > > herself.
>
> > > Really?
>
> > > Yeah. (laugh)
>
> > > She hung herself? How's come she hung herself?
>
> > > I don't know. She wasn't happy. (laugh)
>
> > > +
>
> > > In their culture, it's really shunned upon if you get raped. I guess
> > > she would have been stoned to death by her people. It's fucked up.
>
> > > She was fucked anyway, I guess. In more ways than one.
>
> > > (more laughing)
>
> > > +
>
> > > You didn't get shit from the CO, did you?
>
> > > No, not until those fucking pictures came out. After then the biggest
> > > rule was no fucking cameras.
>
> > > +
>
> > > End of Transcript
>
> > > The information on the above videotape is collaborated by Pulitzer
> > > Prize winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. He has
> > > maintained that the Pentagon has videotapes of boys being sodomized at
> > > Abu Ghraib prison. "The worst is the soundtrack of the boys
> > > shrieking," Hersh said. Seymore Hersh first gained worldwide
> > > recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai massacre and its cover-up
> > > during the Vietnam War.
>
> > > More collaborative statements concerning the sexual torture of
> > > children at Abu Ghraib have been made by the surviving prisoners
> > > themselves. The following is an excerpt from a statement provided by
> > > Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee #151108, on January 18 2004:
>
> > > "I saw name deleted fucking a kid, his age would be about 15 years.
> > > The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with
> > > sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on
> > > top it wasn't covered and I saw name deleted who was wearing the
> > > military uniform putting his dick in the little kid's ass. I couldn't
> > > see the face of the kid because his face wasn't in front of the door.
> > > And a female soldier was taking pictures. The sodomizer name deleted,
> > > I think he is deleted because of his accent, and he was not skinny or
> > > short, and he acted like a homosexual (gay). And that was in cell #23
> > > as best as I remember."
>
> > > The following is another testimony of sexual torture of Iraqi children
> > > from a statement provided by Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee 150427, on
> > > January 17, 2004:
>
> > > "I saw lots of people naked for a few days getting punished in the
> > > first days of Ramadan. They came with two boys naked and they were
> > > cuffed together face to face and Grainer was beating them and a group
> > > of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and
> > > there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The
> > > prisoners, two of them, were children. I don't know their names."
>
> > > One of the most horrific incidents at Abu Ghraib is told by a 16 year
> > > old Iraqi girl in her own words. Nadia, in tears, narrated her story:
>
> > > "I was visiting one of my relatives, and suddenly the American forces
> > > attacked the home and started to inspect it. They found some light
> > > weapons. So, they arrested all people in the home including me. I
> > > tried to explain to the interpreter, who was accompanying the American
> > > patrol, that I am just a visitor. However, my trials failed. I cried,
> > > begged them, and I lost consciousness from fear when they took me to
> > > Abu Ghraib prison.
>
> > > Nadia continues "they put me alone in a dark and dirty prison cell. I
> > > expected that I will be released soon, especially when the
> > > investigation proved that I hadn't committed a crime"
>
> > > Nadia elaborated while tears poured down her cheek, a telling sign of
> > > just how much she has suffered.
>
> > > "The first day was so burdensome. The cell was malodorous, humid and
> > > dark, and this condition increased the fear inside me more and more.
> > > The laughs of the soldier outside the cell made me even more scared. I
> > > was afraid of what would happen to me. For the first time I felt that
> > > I was in a difficult gridlock and that I had entered an unknown world
> > > that I would not get out of.
>
> > > In the middle of these different feelings, I heard a voice for an
> > > American soldier woman who was speaking in an Arabic language. She
> > > said to me: "I didn't imagine that the weapons' traders in Iraq are
> > > women." When I started to explain to her the circumstances of the
> > > situation, she beat me cruelly. I cried and shouted "By Allah! I am
> > > oppressed, By Allah! I am oppressed"
>
> > > The soldier showered me with insults in a way that I have never
> > > thought possible or that I would ever be subjected to under any
> > > circumstances. Then, she started to deride me saying that she was
> > > monitoring me all the day via the satellite, and that they can track
> > > their enemies even inside their own bedrooms by American technology.
>
> > > Then she laughed and said: "I was watching you when you were making
> > > love with your husband." I replied in a confused voice "But I am not
> > > married".
>
> > > She beat me for more than one an hour and she forced me to drink a
> > > glass of water, and I knew later that they put a drug in it. I
> > > regained my consciousness after two days to find myself naked. I knew
> > > immediately that I have lost something that all the laws in the earth
> > > will not be able to return it to me once again. I had been raped. A
> > > hysterical fit attacked me and I started to hit my head violently
> > > against the walls till more than five American soldiers head by that
> > > soldier women entered the cell and started to beat me, and they raped
> > > me alternately while they laughing and listening to a loud music.
>
> > > Day by day the scenario of raping me was repeated. And every day they
> > > invent new ways that are crueler than the prior ways."
>
> > > She went on describing the horrible acts of the American criminals:
>
> > > "After about one month, a Negro soldier entered my cell and threw me
> > > two pieces of American military clothes. He said in weak Arabic
> > > language to wear them. After he put a black bag on my head, he led me
> > > to a public toilet where there are pipes for cold and hot water and he
> > > asked me to bathe. He then closed the door and left.
>
> > > I was so exhausted and feeling pain, and despite the tremendous number
> > > of the bruises in my body, I poured out some water on my body. Before
> > > I finish my bath, the Negro soldier came in. I frightened, and I hit
> > > him in the face with the water bowl. His reaction was so tough. He
> > > raped me cruelly and spit on my face, then he left and returned with
> > > two soldiers who returned me to the cell.
>
> > > The treatment continued that way, to the extent that sometimes I was
> > > raped ten times in a day, the matter which affected my health
> > > negatively."
>
> > > Nadia continued in revealing the American horrible actions made
> > > against the Iraqi women, saying:
>
> > > "After more than 4 months, a woman soldier woman came, and I concluded
> > > from her conversation with other soldiers that her name is Mary. She
> > > said to me "now you have a golden opportunity, since an officer who
> > > has a high position will visit us today, if you deal with him
> > > positively, you would be released, especially because we are sure you
> > > are innocent."
>
> > > I replied, "If you are sure of I am innocent, why you don't release
> > > me?"
>
> > > She screamed in nervousness, "The only way that guarantees your
> > > releasing is to be positive with them."
>
> > > She took me to the public toilets, and she supervised my bath while
> > > she was holding a thick stick, hitting me by it if I didn't perform
> > > her orders. Then, she gave me makeup, and warned me not to cry and
> > > ruin my makeup. Then she took me to an empty small room where there
> > > was nothing but a cover on the floor, and after one an hour she came
> > > accompanied with four
>
> ...
>
> read more =BB

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/117320



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Russia to press Hamas to toe Quartet line
Date: 3 Feb 2007 13:46:22 -0800
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On Feb 3, 2:04 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> At Quartet meeting, Russian FM says Moscow will press Hamas to toe Quartet
> line, softens stance
>
> Ynetnews and Reuters Published:  02.02.07, 22:16
>
> Russia will press the ruling Palestinian group Hamas to accept demands by
> the Quartet - a group of international peace brokers - that it soften its
> stance against Israel and accept agreements signed between the Palestinians
> and the Jewish state, the Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported Friday.
>
> "Not all members of the Quartet have relations with Hamas, but what we are
> doing is aimed at implementing the position of the quartet," [Ad]
> Lavrov said in Washington after a meeting of the Quartet group of
> international peace brokers --- the United Nations, the European Union,
> Russia, and the United States.
>
> "Hamas gained popular support and must realize its responsibility," he said.
> "Russia will support efforts of the Palestinian National Authority head to
> form a national unity government. Palestinians must work on their future and
> understand that resolutions of the UN Security Council must be fulfilled."
>
> Turning his attention to Syria, Lavrov said that Damascus should not be
> brought into the Middle East peace process.
>
> "We support bringing into the peace process all sides who can help make
> progress, and Syria could play a substantial role in this," he said.
>
> Quartet concerned about intra-Palestinian violence
>
> In a statement read out by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon the group voiced
> its "deep concern" about violence between rival Palestinian factions that
> has killed at least 23 Palestinians in the last 24 hours.
>
> The group, which includes the European Union, the United Nations, the United
> States and Russia, also appeared to reaffirm an international aid embargo
> against the Hamas-led Palestinian government unless it renounces violence,
> recognizes Israel and respects past peace deals.
>
> "The quartet expressed its deep concern at the violence among Palestinians
> and called for respect for law and order," Mr. Ban said.
>
> Fighting between Palestinian factions escalated across Gaza on Friday,
> killing at least 15 people as Hamas overran compounds used by Palestinian
> President Mahmoud Abbas's forces and two major universities were set ablaze.
> At least 21 Palestinians have been killed and more than 200 wounded in the
> last 24 hours of internal fighting.
>
> "The quartet called for Palestinian unity in support of a government
> committed to nonviolence, recognition of Israel and acceptance of previous
> agreements," Ban added. "The quartet reaffirmed that these principles
> endure."
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3360226,00.html
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

If you can get ZioNazis to toe any line it would be a good start!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Moral Dillema Problem
Date: 3 Feb 2007 13:48:41 -0800
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On Feb 3, 3:12 pm, Jimmy the kid  wrote:
> Hi, I wonder if anyone can give me help with this problem.
> My Boss at work is Jewish. I like my boss a lot.
> I have just started with the company but another employee has been with
> it for many years.
> This other employee has made anti semetic remarks - directed at my boss.
>
> Should I tell my boss about this? I dont want to cause trouble and
> especially cause this person has been there many years, i wonder if i
> will be believed.

You can rest assured that your boss is no SEMITE, so no anti semitic
remark can possibly offend him. Very few jews are semites!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 3, 11:59 am, "JBgarbuz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170513751.153786.111440@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> he Middleman
>
> Asher Karni was "a genius" in South Africa's military electronics
> trade. Now he's in jail in Brooklyn, accused of orchestrating a
> nuclear black market deal.<
>
> He was the Jewish A. Q. Khan. Renegades who for money will not only sell out
> their country, but even the planet itself.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

Isn't that the quality of most Jews? H is children live in Israel, and
they could have been killed by the triggers he sold! What an animal!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 3, 2:22 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Terrorist Jews do not seem to have too many worries. They caught a
> > South African Jew selling 67 nuclear bomb triggers to some country,
> > and sentenced him to house confinement in the house of his Rabbi.
> > Guess what? The triggers were destined for Iran!
>
> Link?
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

You are one of the most useless kvetching whores I have ever heard of.
Listen arsehole, if you put the title in the Google (T he Middleman)
it will come up, it is a Frontline News story.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/nuclear/part1.html



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 3, 7:26 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Publication time: 2 February 2007, 23:47
>
> 
>
> > Actually these things wont work out as these laws are made by the
> > criminals themselves?
>
> > Until and unless Shariah is implemented all over the world, these
> > devils will remain walking freely?
>
> ROTFLMAO. What a load of rubbish.
>
>
>
> > Islam is the only Solution to all the problems in the world.
>
> -
>
> Who do you think you are kidding? LOL
>
> Oh and BTW prisoners released from Abu Ghraib say that conditions are far
> worse  since the Iraqi Government and Iraqi guards took over running the
> prison.
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

WHORE! tHE OCCUPYING POWER IS responsible FOR WHATEVER OCCURS IN THE
OCCUPIED COUNTRY UNDER THEIR LAW, NO MATTER WHOM THEY PUT IN CHARGE OF
TORTURE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Promising AIPAC to attack Iran for them, while lying to the rest of
> > the America that she will stop the war! Just how low can you get?
>
> LIAR. She didn't promise to attack Iran.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

That is what she said to AIPAC!



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 Enjoy it yourself you fucking whore!



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On Feb 3, 10:54 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > Promising AIPAC to attack Iran for them, while lying to the rest
> > > > of the America that she will stop the war! Just how low can you
> > > > get?
>
> > > LIAR. She didn't promise to attack Iran.
>
> > > --
> > > Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com
>
> > That is what she said to AIPAC!
>
> LIAR.
>
 LIAR YOURSELF AND A WHORE TO BOOT!



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On Feb 3, 9:04 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> 
>
> > WHORE! tHE OCCUPYING POWER IS responsible FOR WHATEVER OCCURS IN THE
> > OCCUPIED COUNTRY UNDER THEIR LAW, NO MATTER WHOM THEY PUT IN CHARGE OF
> > TORTURE
>
> You are pathetic,.

NO, FUCKKNUCKLE YOU ARE PATHETIC, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ORDER IN AN
OCCUPIED COUNTRY RESTS WITH THE OCCUPIER.



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IS OLMERT'S SUITCASE ALREADY PACKED?
Thursday, February 1, 2007

On January 2, 2007, the Hebrew newspaper, Maariv, published a very
important article by Moshe Feiglin.  This article appeared
subsequently in an English translation in various publications in
Israel, as well as in the United States. The title given by Feiglin to
his article is "Gimme Shelter." I am including his article in its
entirety.

Gimme Shelter
By Moshe Feiglin

Why does Israel have to invest three billion shekels to build an
underground nuclear bomb shelter for the government? For those of you
who do not understand what the endless construction work at the
entrance to Jerusalem is all about, we have some disconcerting news.
The construction is part of an atomic shelter six kilometers long in
which Olmert, Livni, Peretz and their aides can continue to run the
country with no fear -- even if a nuclear mushroom is billowing at
street level. The shelter also serves as a shortcut to Israel's
airport. No, this is not a joke. An elevator descends from the Prime
Minister's office to the secret tunnels, far from the traffic
congestion on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway -- or the radioactive
congestion - straight to the airport and the reunion with Olmert's
sons in New York. It's sort of like a modern-day Cave of Tzedekiah.

Recently, I heard Avi Farchan -- twice exiled from his home in Sinai
and Gush Katif -- express his ire at the fact that the government is
searching for a place to shelter the residents of Israel's south in
the case of heavy shelling from Gaza. "There is no difference between
the residents of Sderot and the residents of Ein Gev and Gadot, who
continued to plow their fields under Syrian shelling," Farchan
insisted. It is impossible not to like Farchan, but he is a bit
reminiscent of the Japanese soldier that continued to "fight" in the
jungles tens of years after Hirohito had surrendered. The kibbutzniks
in Ein Gev who continued plowing their fields had leadership that
intended to triumph. The residents of Sderot are soldiers whose
leadership has backed out of the battle, leaving them abandoned in the
battlefield. Who has the right to tell them to stay put and be sitting
ducks, when their government has already surrendered?

The only way to understand what is happening now in the Western Negev
and in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit is to realize
that Israel's government has already surrendered. When they tell us
that there is "no solution for the Kassams," they mean that they have
raised the white flag. The State of Israel continues to exist due to
inertia and thanks to the perseverance of its citizens.

So why spend so much money to shelter the government far underground?
After all, Israel has already waved the white flag of surrender. Why
take bread out of the mouths of the poor? The elegant solution would
be to send the government to a safe haven in London now. Why London?
Because the English have experience with governments in exile.

In his research, Military Historian Dr. Uri Milstein claims that
Israel won the Six Day War because the Chief of Staff broke under the
pressure of the war and was hospitalized in a psychiatric institution,
rendering him incapable of bungling the army's battle plan. Who knows?
Maybe a government exile, elegantly implemented under the pressure of
current events -- will liberate the healthy forces in this Nation,
allowing them to rise, defend themselves and triumph?

Just think about all the money that we could save if we would halt the
atomic shelter project. Think about all the miserable Arab refugees
>from Gaze who would be thrilled to get a small fraction of this money
and start a new life in Canada. With these colossal sums we could have
a genuine peace process here. And if we add the 13 billion dollars
that the Separation Fence will cost (That's right, the fence that
cannot stop anything from flying over it or crawling under it) we
could also begin to solve the problem of the Arabs of Shechem and
Jenin. And if we add the cost of the Disengagement, we could begin to
consider solving the problem of Israel's Arabs - who are involved in
approximately half of the terror attacks attempted or perpetrated
against Israelis. And if we add to all this money the incessant flow
of funds that Israel has transferred to the terrorists since Oslo -
who knows? Maybe we could have set them all up with good jobs and nice
houses all over the globe? And we may have even had something left for
medicines and food for hungry children in Israel. After all, we have
already accepted the principle of Evacuation-Compensation, haven't
we?

What? Gaza and Shechem belong to them??? O.K., if you think so, maybe
you really should take the elevator underground - as close as possible
to the airport.

* * *

In the hills outside Jerusalem, the Israeli government is now building
a massive war bunker where top government officials would take shelter
in case of biological, chemical or nuclear attack.

The construction of the underground bunker was approved in the last
decade when Prime Minister Ehud Olmert served as mayor of Jerusalem.

Last night, Israel TV Channel 2 tried to film the clandestine goings
on in the beautiful hills of Jerusalem surrounding the Spring of
Lifta. They were prevented from filming this by government "security"
guards. The only pictures the TV crew came away with were of two
enormous hills of dirt.

It now develops that the building of this bunker is an old story,
originally published some five years ago in local Jerusalem
newspapers, but not by any of the major newspapers. Government
suppression?

THE BIG QUESTION IS: Are the suitcases of Olmert's family, his merry
crew of ministers, deputy ministers, and friends, and their families,
already packed?

With Blessings and Love for Israel,

Ruth Matar




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No matter what you do Palestine will never belong to you, because you
are not entitled to it. You are not the "seed of Abraham", and you did
not come to Palestine to live with people there, you came to kill, and
maim, and steal, and destroy!

Out of Palestine you ZioNazi pieces of shit. Ordinary Jews who respect
Palestine and Palestinians are welcome to stay on equal basis, with
equal rights with Palestinians!




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Bush has to be the most brainless, stupidest "decider" in the history
of this country!

Dropping troops in the middle of Africa, during the civil war  is just
about as idiotic as reading a goat book, for half an hour as the World
Trade center was getting blown up by Jews!




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January 31, 2007

New York Times reporter, Chris Hedges, has written an extraordinary
book, American Fascism: The Christian Right And The War On America.
Having survived a Christian fundamentalist background myself, I marvel
at the timely urgency of Hedges' book, but also, at the obtuse
disconnect most Americans have with the pivotal thesis of his book:
the power of the religious right in the United States to bring forth a
nation whose totalitarian repression could dwarf that of Nazi Germany
in the 1930s. As Hedges notes, we are well on the path toward such a
reality, and the Domionist Christian right is a principal player in
the process. While the nucleus of that movement is small, measuring
only about 1% of evangelicals and led by the likes of James Dobson,
Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and John Hagee, those leaders are
supported by throngs of evangelicals sympathetic to their theocratic
views who dutifully preach the consummate tenet of the movement,
submission. Citizens must submit to their government officials,
particularly the ones who claim to be born-again Christians and
receiving their orders from God; wives must submit to husbands;
children must submit to parents; and everyone must submit to the
teachings of the bible as interpreted by evangelical Christianity or
burn in hell. I will herein use the term "Christian fascism" or
"Cristo-fascism" as synonymous with a worldview and political
philosophy which are both fundamentalist Christian and fascist in
nature.

Recently, I viewed a chilling documentary "Jesus Camp", which examines
"the evangelical belief that a revival is underway in America that
requires Christian youth to assume leadership roles in advocating the
causes of their religious movement." [1]The film follows a group of
evangelical kids who attend a summer camp where they are taught to
become dedicated Christian soldiers in God's army. Under the
leadership of control-freak youth pastor, Becky Fischer, who makes
Nurse Ratchet in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" look like Snow
White, the children are told that theirs is a unique generation-
perhaps the last on earth before the return of Christ to rapture his
church, and that just as Musilm children learn at an early age to
carry and use automatic weapons so that they can die for Islam,
Christian kids must learn to fight in the Jesus army in order to save
souls and take back America for God-and be willing to die for Jesus.

One not need be a licensed mental health professional to find the
emotional manipulation, indoctrination, and outright brainwashing of
the Jesus camp both repulsive and enraging. Its squeaky-clean, almost
exclusively white, puerile participants mouth all the right jargon,
concepts, and scripture verses impeccably and robotically like good
little Christian boys and girls-or more chillingly, like Hitler youth.
Jesus Camp is nothing less than childhood spiritual abuse on steroids,
leaving me personally and eternally grateful that as a child growing
up in fundamentalism, I wasn't subjected to anything worse in the
context of religious services than the raspy screams of bible-thumping
preachers

Hedges' brilliant article, "The Christian Right And The Rise Of
American Fascism" outlines several principles inherent in Christian
fascism, and to his list, I will add a few of my own:

1)Apocalyptic Violence-A central tenet of Cristo-fascism is the belief
that after the Rapture or Christ's returns to rescue Christian
believers and take them to heaven, a period of seven years, or the
Tribulation, will ensue in which an Anti-Christ will dominate the
world, and every horror imaginable will be unleashed on humankind.
Those who do not submit (again a pivotal word for Christian fascism)
and accept Christ as their personal savior, will be martyred but will
be assured of spending eternity in heaven with Christ. Those who do
submit will be condemned eternally to hell. After the Tribulation
period, Christ will return again with the "army" of Christians in
heaven, and the battle of Armageddon will be fought against the Anti-
Christ and his armies. The latter will be slaughtered by Christ and
his followers who will set up Christ's kingdom on earth where he will
reign for one thousand years, followed by the total and complete
destruction of earth as Christ and his followers return to heaven.

Sounds like a scene from the movie "Independence Day"? Actually, that
movie cannot begin to capture the heinous barbarity that Christian
fascism fantasizes will befall the earth and those who reject Christ.
That scenario is a bloodbath of unimaginable, avenging horrors. Note
that not only will non-Christian human beings be decimated, but so
will the earth itself, the outcome being twofold: Humans who do not
submit to Jesus will be destroyed, and the planet itself will be
annihilated. How delicious the vindication for the Cristo-fascist
psyche! Not only will people who reject their Jesus be grotesquely
punished, but their God will prove himself more powerful than the very
planet on which they live. Obviously, no need here to worry about
global warming-at least the kind created by humans. God will
incinerate the earth--his own instantaneous global warming, triumphing
over all enemies of both himself and the Christian fascists. As Hedges
notes, these fantasies of monstrous cruelty are appealing to many
within the Christian-fascist movement because "The loss of
manufacturing jobs, lack of affordable health care, negligible
opportunities for education and poor job security has left many
millions of Americans locked out. This ideology is attractive because
it offers them the hope of power and revenge. It sanctifies their
rage."[2] And if any group of people on earth is enraged, it is the
Cristo-fascists whose rancor is every bit as caustic and virulent as
that of any Islamist fundamentalist on a suicide mission.

2) One reason Hedges labels these individuals fascist has not only to
do with their positioning themselves on the political right, but
specifically, their fanatical insistence on submission to theocratic
government. Had George Orwell been a born-again Christian, twenty-
first century Cristo-fascists would probably declare him a saint. (War
is holy, and killing is sacred.) Their preferred polity is biblical
totalitarianism in which the principles embraced by secular society
are perceived as untrue and antithetical to their God and his Word.
Unquestioning obedience to fundamentalist Christian theology and its
resultant theocracy are the cornerstones of Cristo-fascism in twenty-
first century America.

3) As a result, adherents are diametrically opposed to a secular world
view and the tenets of modern science. As I have commented in other
articles[3] in recent years, fundamentalist Christianity generally
distrusts, and often despises human reason. Millions of children in
America are being home-schooled, and 75% of them are children from
fundamentalist Christian homes.[4] Home-schooling can offer an
extraordinary alternative to attending public school, but for
fundamentalist Christians, it serves, among other things, to shield
their children not only from grappling with such issues as evolution
and global warming, but learning the scientific method itself and the
basic principles of critical thinking and logical analysis.

4)Cristo-fascism is overwhelmingly a white Anglo-American movement.
While one sees growing numbers of African Americans and Hispanics
joining their ranks, the movement remains predominantly white and
rabidly Islamophobic. Most outspoken on this issue is San Antonio's
megachurch pastor, John Hagee, who perceives Islam as the new Satan
which must be destroyed by Israel and the United States.

5) While Christian fascism cannot give enough lip service to the
"culture of life" it is morbidly death-obsessed in its raging support
of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and capital punishment. The
popularity of the grisly, sado-masochistic "The Passion Of The Christ"
among fundamentalist Christians, as well as the Jesus Camp's
indoctrination of children to be willing and proud to "die for Jesus"
further belie Cristo-fascism's death fetish.

6) A new Christian Gestapo is in the works as the Christian right is
working vehemently to take control of military chaplaincies and create
in Hedges words, "America's Holy Warriors." He points out that during
the last century communist and fascist movements each built
paramilitary forces that operated beyond the reach of the law. The
frightening popularity and proliferation of the private security firm,
Blackwater, founded by a mega-millionaire right-wing Christian, Erik
Prince, has not only become a giant mercenary force in Iraq, but was
heavily used in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Increasingly,
Cristo-fascists are becoming more blatant about their wish to force
conversion to Christ through the barrel of a gun. A typical image of
this concept, dripping with testosterone, may be viewed at the website
of Force Ministries.

Just this week, conservative theologian, Doug Giles, appeared on Fox
News arguing that Christian males should be tougher because "Jesus
wasn't a bearded lady". Christians, he said, should stop raising nice
boys and raise warriors who can fight terrorism.

In answer to the question of what is to be done, I would assert as I
usually do: Knowledge is power. Fundamentalist Christianity is
inherently delusional. One cannot reason with its adherents nor
influence them with facts. What one can do is understand first of all
that the United States has become a fascist empire. If one takes
seriously Mussolini's definition of fascism, "the corporate state",
then this nation was well on its way even before the ascendancy of the
Bush II administration and September 11, 2001.

Furthermore, it is time for those who consider themselves politically
progressive to stop "tolerating" Cristo-fascists. Certainly, these
individuals have every right to believe whatever they choose to
believe, but when one comprehends the inherently fascist nature of
both their religion and their politics, one must necessarily confront
not only their ghastly disregard for separation of church and state,
but their implacable commitment to engineering a fundamentalist
Christian theocracy in the United States.

The exponential growth of the Cristo-fascist movement in the past six
years is yet another symptom of empire and a somnambulant society in
the throes of collapse. Whether or not one embraces Christianity or
any religion, for that matter, it is instructive to engage in reality-
checking the actual teachings of Jesus in the New Testament, and
specifically, the gospels and other sacred writings which were
excluded from the bible in the fourth century for political and socio-
economic reasons in order to streamline Constantine's hierarchical,
imperial, Christian regime-the world's first but not last, Christian
theocracy. With that in mind, I highly recommend The Jesus Mysteries,
by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.

Carolyn Baker, Ph.D. is author of a forthcoming book, COMING OUT FROM
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM: Affirming Life, Love and The Sacred. Her
recent book U.S. HISTORY UNCENSORED: What Your High School Textbook
Didn't Tell You is available at her website: www.carolynbaker.org.




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Somalia's routed Islamic leader Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed and the US
ambassador to Kenya, Michael Ranneberger, have come to bidding over
the release of 11 US occupation solder reportedly captured by the
Islamic force in southern Somalia.



According to Al-Khaleej news agency based in Emirates quoting DPA news
agency reliable diplomatic sources indicate that at least the two men
have had four rounds of talks over the american soldiers in the
captivity of Islamic force in southern jungles of the war-torn
country, Somalia.



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seized during heavy ground skirmishes between the Somalia mujahiddeen
and the american soldiers accompanied by Ethiopian occupation troops.
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Somalia.



According to Al-Khaleej, Sheik Sharif stipulated the release of the
soldiers with several conditions. He said:



"Ethiopian soldiers in Somalia should be withdrawn immediately,
America should halt the military action in south the country, I should
be transferred from Kenya to another safe country (probably Yemen) and
the United States should tell the world that 11 of its marine soldiers
were seized in Somalia."



Sheik Sharif said if these conditions were fulfilled, they would
facilitate the release of the american occupation soldiers, asserting
he would always feel insecure and unsafe as long as he lingers in
Kenya.



Mr. Ranneberger, who was campaigning for the so call "african
peacekeeping force" to Somalia, has always told the world press that
moderate Islamic leader like Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed should be
inclusive in the Somali so call "transitional government" that is now
formally in control of the country with the help of the thousands of
ethiopian occupation troops.



In further development the american are once again claming the Islamic
Courts of regrouping in other countries, blaming Yemen, Saudi Arabia
and Eritrea, they have singled out Eritrea for "destabilizing" the
region.

link
ht tp://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2007/02/01/7331.shtml




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CNN 'Breaking News' bulletin: AIPAC operative Wolf Blitzer's 
'Situation Room' program trying to link the Karbala attack on the five 
US soldiers to Iran:

'CNN just had a 'BREAKING NEWS' bulletin on the AIPAC operative Wolf 
Blitzer's 'Situation Room' program in trying to link the Karbala 
attack on the five US soldiers to Iran as conveyed in the following 
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The American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Elections (AMT), a
national coalition of major American Muslim organizations, on Monday
said the new prison sentence given to former Florida professor Sami Al-
Arian amounted to unconstitutional "double jeopardy."

Al-Arian recently began a hunger strike after being given a sentence
of up to 18 months for refusing to testify before a grand jury in
Virginia. He and his attorney say an early plea agreement freed him
>from further cooperation with the government. Al-Arian's supporters
say he is being held in a rat and cockroach-infested prison and is
being forced to wear dirty and inadequate clothing as a form of
harassment.

In 2005, a Florida jury rejected federal charges that Al-Arian
operated a cell for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Al-Arian later
pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was scheduled for release and
deportation in April.


In a statement, the AMT said:

"It is becoming increasingly clear that the government is seeking to
impose legal and physical penalties on Dr. Al-Arian that it could not
obtain through the judicial process. The government's actions amount
to an unconstitutional 'double jeopardy' situation in which a person
who was cleared of all charges by a jury of his peers is nonetheless
being imprisoned in harsh conditions through administrative means.

"We call on all fair-minded Americans who care about the preservation
of the integrity of our nation's legal system to speak out about this
apparent abuse of prosecutorial power. We also call on federal
authorities to cease their harassment of Dr. Al-Arian and to release
him as scheduled so that he and his family can resume their lives in
another country."

AMT members endorsing this statement include: American Muslim Alliance
(AMA), Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Circle of
North America (ICNA), Muslim Alliance in North America (MANA), Muslim
American Society (MAS), Muslim Student Association-National (MSA-N),
Muslim Ummah of North America (MUNA), Project Islamic Hope (PIH), and
United Muslims of America (UMA)

CONTACT: Dr. Agha Saeed, Tel 510-299-9313, E-Mail: aghaksaeed@yahoo.com




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Lord Levy, Tony Blair's chief personal fundraiser, was arrested for a 
second time in the cash-for-honours police inquiry, it has emerged.

Police sources said that the peer had been arrested on Tuesday on 
suspicion of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Lord Levy was arrested when he turned up voluntarily at a police 
station to have his bail terms renewed. He has not been charged and 
was released on bail pending further inquiries.

This was the third time that Lord Levy had returned to the police to 
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Lord Levy's spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.

The latest twist in a police inquiry into allegations that Tony Blair 
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pounds in loans by nominating them for peerages follows the arrest of 
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Ms Turner was arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of 
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inquiries. It was the third time police had quizzed her.

As well as looking into possible breaches of electoral laws and 
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establish whether any evidence has been witheld or destroyed. The 
arrest and release of Ms Turner led to accusations, emphatically 
denied by Downing Street, of a "cover up" by the government.

Scotland Yard said at the time that, as a result, "additional 
investigation" would be required and the inquiry could run into March 
before the police send a file to the Crown Prosecution Service. Ms 
Turner was the first salaried government official to be arrested as 
part of the 10-month investigation.

On Tuesday the Metropolitan Police said in a statement: "On July 12 
2006, a man attended a London police station where he was arrested in 
connection with alleged offences under the Honours (Prevention of 
Abuses) Act 1925 and Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 
2000."

"He returned on bail on September 20 where he was interviewed then re-
bailed pending further enquiries. He returned on bail on December 4 
and was re-bailed pending further enquiries."

"He returned on bail today in connection with alleged offences under 
the Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925 and Political Parties, 
Elections and Referendums Act 2000 and was also arrested on suspicion 
of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. He has been bailed 
pending further enquiries."

Police have given no indication whether anyone will be charged as a 
result of their inquiry.

In a regular briefing for reporters on Tuesday morning, the prime 
minister's official spokesman again denied reports that police had 
discovered there was a second computer system at Downing Street used 
by senior officials.

"There is only one system in Downing Street," he said, adding that 
police had had full access to it.

In a statement, a spokesman for Lord Levy said he "completely denies 
any allegations of wrongdoing whatsoever''.

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...THAT THEY NEEDED A LIST IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE PEOPLE THEY DID NOT 
LIKE! WHAT CRAP IS THIS!
The Sadrist account: Nahrain Net, a Sadrist website, quotes anonymous 
sources from the Hawza and security officials in Najaf that an armed 
group named "Jund Al-Samaa'" (the Army of Heaven, the Soldiers of 
Heaven, the Soldiers of the Skies) were amassing in palm groves at 
Zarga, north of Kufa, and that they were plotting to take supreme 
Shi'ite clerics in Najaf, including Sistani, Ishaq Al-Fayyadh, 
Ya'qubi, Mohammed Al-Hakim, and Muqtada Al-Sadr, as hostages in order 
to use as a bargain to control the shrine of Imam Ali in Najaf. 
Allegedly, a list was found with the group that contained names of 
senior clerics in Najaf and Karbala, and that Muqtada was number two 
on the list after Sistani. They added that the group was coordinating 
with Ba'athists and Al-Qaeda and that they have received logistic and 
monetary backing from Saudi Arabia.




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Former CIA station chief has Italian villa seized By Colleen Barry

Milan, Italy | Magistrates have seized a villa in northern Italy 
belonging to a former CIA station chief who faces a possible 
indictment in the alleged kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric, officials 
said Friday.

The villa in the northwestern Piedmont region belonging to Robert 
Seldon Lady will be held until the end of the trial. In the case of a 
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The order by magistrate Enrico Manzi applies to half the villa, the 
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Lady's former lawyer, Daria Pesce, said earlier this month that he 
intended to sell the villa. He is believed to be in the United States.

A preliminary hearing to decide whether to indict 26 Americans and 
five Italian intelligence officials on criminal charges will continue 
Monday in Milan.

A trial would be the first criminal prosecution involving the CIA's 
extraordinary rendition program, in which terror suspects are secretly 
transferred for interrogation to third countries where critics say 
they may face torture.

Pesce withdrew from the case earlier this month, saying statements by 
Italian spymasters implicating U.S. agents had undermined her attempts 
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Lady was still in Italy when the case broke, and his villa in the Asti 
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Dear Mother:

I brought you my hurts and troubles when both they and I were little: 
in that same spirit I bring them to you today.

Only last year, a new white flag with single blue six-pointed star was 
hoisted to a mast many thousands of miles away on the east coast of 
the Mediterranean Sea. This flag of Israel is the symbol of a new 
nationalist state, with its own government, army, foreign policy, 
language, national anthem and oath of allegiance.

And this new flag has brought every one of us five million American 
citizens of the ancient faith of Judah to a parting in the road.

Judaism, I have felt, was a religious faith which knew no national 
boundaries, to which a loyal citizen of any country could adhere.

By contrast, Zionism was and is a nationalist movement organized to 
reconstitute Jews as a nation with a separate homeland. Now that such 
a state exists, what am I? Am I still

only an American who believes in Judaism? Or am I-as extreme Zionists 
and anti-Semites alike argue-a backsliding member of an Oriental tribe 
whose loyalty belongs to that group?

Let us start, Mother, with how I feel about this new State of Israel. 
I wish it well. I hope that several hundred thousand suffering 
displaced persons will find in it a happy home. I hope it will prosper 
as a center of democracy in the Middle East. But when its flag was 
first raised on May 14, 1948, I had no impulse to dance in the street 
with hysterical joy, as did so many in New York and London. For I was 
born and remain an American. I have no ties with, no longings for, and 
feel no responsibilities to Israel. And I believe that the future 
happiness of the Jews in America depends on their complete integration 
as citizens of this-our true-country.

I am sure that if we Jews as a group are persuaded to divide that love 
which people normally give to their native land, it can lead only to 
disaster.

The Irish? They are a nation and Judaism is a religion. Irishmen here 
have left Ireland only in recent generations. The Jews left Palestine 
in Roman times, and have come here from every European country.

My one and only homeland is America. I am proud of my belief in the 
age-old Judaic concept of one God in Heaven and one Humanity here 
below. But my faith does not pull me into a feeling of narrowly tribal 
kinship with all others who worship God in this way. Whenever I read 
of Americans singing the Hatikvah, Israel's national anthem, or see 
youth groups raising Israel's flag beside the Stars and Stripes. I am 
outraged. For Israel's flag and anthem are symbols of a foreign 
state; ,they are not mine.

The most powerful weapon which Zionism is using on Americans of Jewish 
faith is its outward cloak of humanitarianism. The argument runs that 
Israel was set up primarily as a haven for the persecuted, the 
homeless, so why should we be critical?

Mother, the truth is that Israel was not created primarily for 
displaced persons. Instead, Article 3 of its proposed constitution 
proclaims it to be "the national home of the Jewish people." Meaning, 
Mother, you and me! As early as 1917 Dr. Chaim Weizmann, Israel's 
first president, was proclaiming: "We have never based the Zionist 
Movement on Jewish suffering in Russia or any other land. These 
sufferings have never been the mainspring of Zionism."

Rabbi Abba H. Silver, a recent head of the American Zionists, 
declared: "We must stand foursquare on the proposition that Zionism is 
not an immigration or a refugee movement, but a movement to rebuild 
the Jewish State for the Jewish nation in the land of Israel."

And what is the attitude of Israel toward those who adhere to the 
faith of Judaism but are citizens of other countries? Our 
"nationality" they insist is Jewish, no matter under what flags we 
were born; and, since we are not in Israel, we live "in the Diaspora," 
which is to say in exile. And their plans for us?

"We must," explained Prime Minister Ben-Gurion, in his first speech 
after the Israeli elections, "save the remnants of Israel in the 
Diaspora. We must also save their possessions. Without these two 
things, we shall not build this country."

So the vast Zionist propaganda machine strives to cement national ties 
between Israel and all persons of Jewish faith. And sending money to 
Israel is only a small part of our supposed obligation. The deeper 
objectives are given by Dr. Margoshes, an executive of the American 
Section of the Jewish Agency, as being:

" - to Zionize world Jewry. . .to establish Zionist hegemony over the 
developing Jewish communities throughout the world."

Daniel Frisch, newly elected president of the American Zionists, feels 
that "the American Jewish community will soon arrive at the inevitable 
conclusion that the all-day school plus a chain of summer camps is the 
only solution to the problem," and that "we ought to be able to send 
to Israel American-bred young people who want to live as Jews minus 
the hyphen under the smiling skies of the reborn Israel. Our task has 
not ended with the birth of the Jewish State. It has but begun."

Have these misguided zealots forgotten the indignation which was 
aroused in America In the '30's, when the Bundists tried to tell 
Americans of German ancestry that they owed loyalty to Germany, and 
set up in America youth camps dedicated to German culture?

Today we see Zionists boasting of "Jewish" political strength, Zionist 
picket lines around British consulates, Zionists demonstrating against 
Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin when he arrives here to sign the 
Atlantic Pact, New York stores plastered with posters screaming "Do 
Not Buy British. Made Goods."

Are these people acting as Americans? Europe's recovery through the 
Marshall Plan is the keystone of our bipartisan foreign policy, which 
the Communists are trying to sabotage. Any boycott of British goods, 
organized or unorganized, helps this destruction. Now I know these 
Zionists were not consciously trying to tear down American foreign 
policy, but their actions were the inevitable result of living under 
segregation is not solely the fault of the other guy. Part of the 
responsibility is on our shoulders. True, the Jew is sometimes 
segregated by Christians. But it is also true that the Jew sometimes 
sets himself apart from Christians.

We have moved out of the ghetto, but sometimes scars of the long 
imprisonment remain. This is why many Jews even today feel at home 
only with other Jews. Many carry their Jewishness on their sleeves and 
are extremely self-conscious and sensitive to their separateness.

ALL OF THIS I understand: most of it I forgive. After all, six million 
Jews were wiped out by Hitler and anti-Semitism does exist, even in 
America. Why should each of us not be at least a little sensitive? 
This I think most non-Jews understand. But when anyone criticizes, 
however mildly, either Zionism, the State of Israel or the hysterical 
behavior of some groups of Jews. we have no right to shout "anti-
Semitism!"

In any religion one can find a small group of fanatics who hate those 
of other faiths. Such fanatics are not numerous or important. It is 
Semitism-the constant effort of some Jews to assert themselves as Jews-
and not their religion of Judaism which feeds anti-Semitism.

'No one knows better than you, Mother, that I, too. suffered 
humiliation from being a Jew. I have felt the arrows of 
discrimination. In my deep hurt I have cried out. But the discipline 
of two nationalisms. Were Hitler alive today, how he would laugh!

The plain fact is that we Jews are not a race and we should not let 
the Zionists persuade us that we are. Proof to the contrary lies in 
Palestine, plain for all to see. You had my letter, Mother, from my 
Army furlough there. I was second to none in my enthusiasm for. what 
my co-religionists had done-for a desert brought to bloom, for clean 
new cities rising out of age-old sand dunes. All of these wonders had 
come to pass while only a few fanatics talked of statehood. One 
evening I went to see a performance ,of an opera in Jerusalem. In that 
theater lobby you could distinguish almost at a glance the Yiddish-
speaking Ashkenazic Jew from Poland, the Spanish-speaking Sephardic 
Jew from North Africa or Turkey, the German Jew, Jews from a score of 
countries all differing in dress, language, manners and mental 
attitudes. I had visual proof of the arguments of anthropologists. who 
laugh at the notion of a distinct Jewish race.

Anyone who tells me those foreign Jews are exclusively my people that 
I should be closer to them than to Bob McCormick, the kid on the block 
with whom I used to play ball: or to Nick Galbraith, who roomed next 
to me at Cornell; or Dave Du Vivier with whom I studied in law school-
that man is talking dangerous nonsense. I have also learned, Mother, 
that when something. goes wrong in my relations with non-Jews. I avoid 
the habit of thinking that it happened just because I am a Jew. Such 
self-pity is comforting, but it is usually wrong and therefore 
dangerous.

There is today a deep split among Americans of the Jewish faith. The 
Zionists are the more vocal; they have more organized political power. 
But they do not speak for all of us, and I hope not for most. On the 
other side there is, for instance, the American Council for Judaism, 
which insists that the nationalism of Israel must be confined to the 
boundaries of that state. There are also countless other Jews without 
any affiliation who revere Judaism as a religion and scorn to degrade 
it into a cheap racial nationalism which competes with their 
Americanism.

But when we protest the right of the Zionists to speak as "American 
Jewry" on the question of Palestine, we are told that Jews should not 
be disunited, must not fight among themselves on Palestine or any 
other issue. And if we still speak out against what we feel is a 
dangerous trend, we find ourselves reviled and ostracized as traitors. 
Coercion, often economic, frequently silences the freethinker.

But why should Americans of Jewish faith be any more united on 
questions of American foreign policy than are Presbyterians, Baptists 
or Methodists?

Have we forgotten the words of Woodrow Wilson in 1915 when he warned 
all Americans: "You cannot become true Americans if you think of 
yourselves in groups. A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a 
particular national group in America has not yet become an American. 
And a man who goes among you to trade on your nationality is not 
worthy to live under the Stars and Stripes."

Politicians of both parties who in the last election played to "the 
Jewish vote"' in connection with Israel will do well to reread those 
words.

The answer to bigotry and anti-Semitism does not lie in fanatical 
Jewish nationalism. Of course the blowing-up of the King David Hotel, 
the hanging of the two British sergeants, the assassination of 
Bernadotte, the massacre of Arab women and children at Dier Yasin were 
all acts of tiny groups. But they have weakened the moral and 
spiritual stature of the world's oldest religion. Israel's terrorist 
Beigin and Hollywood's Ben Hecht, who encouraged such lawlessness by 
saying, "Every time you let go with your guns at the British betrayers 
of your homeland, the Jews of America make a little holiday in their 
hearts!" such people are doing the Jews more harm than any words which 
Goebbels spoke.

There was no holiday in my heart, nor in that of the late Rabbi J. L 
Magnes, president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who said 
sadly following that Hecht statement: "We had always thought that 
Zionism would diminish anti-Semitism in the world. We are witness to 
the opposite."

All too many Christians have supported Zionism because they felt that 
Jews, having been persecuted, should now have what they want whether 
it is good or bad for them. Christian leaders can help us greatly. But 
Christian sympathy for Jews should be measured not in terms of support 
for Jewish nationalism in distant Israel but in accepting us as 
friends, neighbors and first-class citizens of this our country. That 
is true liberal Christianity. And also, Mother, good Judaism, that 
fine old faith which you taught me as a little child.

1949 The Reader's Digest Association, Inc. Pleasantville New York

Reprinted from the September, 1949 issue of The Reader's Digest.




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What Christians Don't Know About Israel
by Grace Halsell

American Jews sympathetic to Israel dominate key positions in all 
areas of our government where decisions are made regarding the Middle 
East. This being the case, is there any hope of ever changing U.S. 
policy? American Presidents as well as most members of Congress 
support Israel - and they know why. U.S. Jews sympathetic to Israel 
donate lavishly to their campaign coffers. .

The answer to achieving an even-handed Middle East policy might lie 
elsewhere-among those who support Israel but don't really know why. 
This group is the vast majority of Americans. They are well-meaning, 
fair-minded Christians who feel bonded to Israel - and Zionism - often 
>from atavistic feelings, in some cases dating from childhood.

I am one of those. I grew up listening to stories of a mystical, 
allegorical, spiritual Israel. This was before a modern political 
entity with the same name appeared on our maps. I attended Sunday 
School and watched an instructor draw down window- type shades to show 
maps of the Holy Land. I imbibed stories of a Good and Chosen people 
who fought against their Bad "unChosen" enemies.

In my early 20s, I began traveling the world, earning my living as a 
writer. I came to the subject of the Middle East rather late in my 
career. I was sadly lacking in knowledge regarding the area. About all 
I knew was what I had learned in Sunday School.

And typical of many U.S. Christians, I somehow considered a modern 
state created in 1948 as a homeland for Jews persecuted under the 
Nazis as a replica of the spiritual, mystical Israel I heard about as 
a child. When in 1979 I initially went to Jerusalem, I planned to 
write about the three great monotheistic religions and leave out 
politics. "Not write about politics?" scoffed one Palestinian, smoking 
a waterpipe in the Old Walled City. "We eat politics, morning, noon 
and night!"

As I would learn, the politics is about land, and the co-claimants to 
that land: the indigenous Palestinians who have lived there for 2,000 
years and the Jews who started arriving in large numbers after the 
Second World War. By living among Israeli Jews as well as Palestinian 
Christians and Muslims, I saw, heard, smelled, experienced the police 
state tactics Israelis use against Palestinians.

My research led to a book entitled Journey to Jerusalem. My journey 
not only was enlightening to me as regards Israel, but also I came to 
a deeper, and sadder, understanding of my own country. I say sadder 
understanding because I began to see that, in Middle East politics, we 
the people are not making the decisions, but rather that supporters of 
Israel are doing so. And typical of most Americans, I tended to think 
the U.S. media was "free" to print news impartially.

"It shouldn't be published. It's anti-Israel."
In the late 1970s, when I first went to Jerusalem, I was unaware that 
editors could and would classify "news" depending on who was doing 
what to whom. On my initial visit to Israel-Palestine, I had 
interviewed dozens of young Palestinian men. About one in four related 
stories of torture.

Israeli police had come in the night, dragged them from their beds and 
placed hoods over their heads. Then in jails the Israelis had kept 
them in isolation, besieged them with loud, incessant noises, hung 
them upside down and had sadistically mutilated their genitals. I had 
not read such stories in the U.S. media. Wasn't it news? Obviously, I 
naively thought, U.S. editors simply didn't know it was happening.

On a trip to Washington, DC, I hand-delivered a letter to Frank 
Mankiewicz, then head of the public radio station WETA. I explained I 
had taped interviews with Palestinians who had been brutally tortured. 
And I'd make them available to him. I got no reply. I made several 
phone calls. Eventually I was put through to a public relations 
person, a Ms. Cohen, who said my letter had been lost. I wrote again. 
In time I began to realize what I hadn't known: had it been Jews who 
were strung up and tortured, it would be news. But interviews with 
tortured Arabs were "lost" at WETA.

The process of getting my book Journey to Jerusalem published also was 
a learning experience. Bill Griffin, who signed a contract with me on 
behalf of MacMillan Publishing Company, was a former Roman Cath olic 
priest. He assured me that no one other than himself would edit the 
book. As I researched the book, making several trips to Israel and 
Palestine, I met frequently with Griffin, showing him sample chapters. 
"Terrific," he said of my material.

The day the book was scheduled to be published, I went to visit 
MacMillan's. Checking in at a reception desk, I spotted Griffin across 
a room, cleaning out his desk. His secretary Margie came to greet me. 
In tears, she whispered for me to meet her in the ladies room. When we 
were alone, she confided, "He's been fired." She indicated it was 
because he had signed a contract for a book that was sympathetic to 
Palestinians. Griffin, she said, had no time to see me.

Later, I met with another MacMillan official, William Curry. "I was 
told to take your manuscript to the Israeli Embassy, to let them read 
it for mistakes," he told me. "They were not pleased. They asked me, 
"You are not going to publish this book, are you?" I asked, "Were 
there mistakes?" "Not mistakes as such. But it shouldn't be published. 
It's anti-Israel."

Somehow, despite obstacles to prevent it, the presses had started 
rolling. After its publication in 1980,I was invited to speak in a 
number of churches. Christians generally reacted with disbelief. Back 
then, there was little or no coverage of Israeli land confiscation, 
demolition of Palestinian homes, wan ton arrests and torture of 
Palestinian civilians.

The Same Question
Speaking of these injustices, I invariably heard the same question, 
"How come I didn't know this?" Or someone might ask, "But I haven't 
read about that in my newspaper." To these church audiences, I related 
my own learning experience, that of seeing hordes of U.S. 
correspondents covering a relatively tiny state. I pointed out that I 
had not seen so many reporters in world capitals such as Beijing, 
Moscow, London, Tokyo, Paris. Why, I asked, did a small state with a 
1980 population of only four million warrant more reporters than 
China, with a billion people?

I also linked this query with my findings that The New York Times , 
The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post - and most of our 
nation's print media - are owned and/or controlled by Jews supportive 
of Israel. It was for this reason, I deduced, that they sent so many 
reporters to cover Israel - and to do so largely from the Israeli 
point of view.

My learning experiences also included coming to realize how easily I 
could lose a Jewish friend if I criticized the Jewish state. I could 
with impunity criticize France, England, Russia, even the United 
States. And any aspect of life in America. But not the Jewish state. I 
lost more Jewish friends than one after the publication of Journey to 
Jerusalem - all sad losses for me and one, perhaps, saddest of all.

In the 1960s and 1970s, before going to the Middle East, I had written 
about the plight of blacks in a book entitled Soul Sister, and the 
plight of American Indians in a book entitled Bessie Yellowhair, and 
the problems endured by undocumented workers crossing from Mexico in 
The Illegals. These books had come to the attention of the "mother" of 
The New York Times, Mrs. Arthur Hays Sulzberger.

Her father had started the newspaper, then her husband ran it, and in 
the years that I knew her, her son was the publisher. She invited me 
to her fashionable apartment on Fifth Avenue for lunches and dinner 
parties. And, on many occasions, I was a weekend guest at her 
Greenwich, Conn. home.

She was liberal-minded and praised my efforts to speak for the 
underdog, even going so far in one letter to say, "You are the most 
remarkable woman I ever knew." I had little concept that from being 
buoyed so high I could be dropped so suddenly when I discovered - from 
her point of view - the "wrong" underdog.

As it happened, I was a weekend guest in her spacious Connecticut home 
when she read bound galleys of Journey to Jerusalem. As I was leaving, 
she handed the galleys back with a saddened look: "My dear, have you 
forgotten the Holocaust?" She felt that what happened in Nazi Germany 
to Jews several decades earlier should silence any criticism of the 
Jewish state. She could focus on a holocaust of Jews while negating a 
modern day holocaust of Palestinians.

I realized, quite painfully, that our friendship was ending. Iphigene 
Sulzberger had not only invited me to her home to meet her famous 
friends but, also at her suggestion, The Times had requested articles. 
I wrote op-ed articles on various subjects including American blacks, 
American Indians as well as undocumented workers. Since Mrs. 
Sulzberger and other Jewish officials at the Times highly praised my 
efforts to help these groups of oppressed peoples, the dichotomy 
became apparent: most "liberal" U.S. Jews stand on the side of all 
poor and oppressed peoples save one - the Palestinians.

How handily these liberal Jewish opinion-molders tend to diminish the 
Palestinians, to make them invisible, or to categorize them all as 
"terrorists."

Interestingly, Iphigene Sulzberger had talked to me a great deal about 
her father, Adolph S. Ochs. She told me that he was not one of the 
early Zionists. He had not favored the creation of a Jewish state.

Yet, increasingly, American Jews have fallen victim to Zionism, a 
nationalistic movement that passes for many as a religion. While the 
ethical instructions of all great religions - including the teachings 
of Moses, Muhammad and Christ - stress that all human beings are 
equal, militant Zionists take the position that the killing of a non-
Jew does not count.

Over five decades now, Zionists have killed Palestinians with 
impunity. And in the 1996 shelling of a U.N. base in Qana, Lebanon, 
the Israelis killed more than 100 civilians sheltered there. As an 
Israeli journalist, Arieh Shavit, explains of the massacre, "We 
believe with absolute certitude that right now, with the White House 
in our hands, the Senate in our hands and The New York Times in our 
hands, the lives of others do not count the same way as our own."

Israelis today, explains the anti-Zionist Jew Israel Shahak, "are not 
basing their religion on the ethics of justice. They do not accept the 
Old Testament as it is written. Rather, religious Jews turn to the 
Talmud. For them, the Talmudic Jewish laws become "the Bible." And the 
Talmud teaches that a Jew can kill a non-Jew with impunity.

In the teachings of Christ, there was a break from such Talmudic 
teachings. He sought to heal the wounded, to comfort the downtrodden.

The danger, of course, for U.S. Christians is that having made an icon 
of Israel, we fall into a trap of condoning whatever Israel does - 
even wanton murder - as orchestrated by God.

Yet, I am not alone in suggesting that the churches in the United 
States represent the last major organized support for Palestinian 
rights. This imperative is due in part to our historic links to the 
Land of Christ and in part to the moral issues involved with having 
our tax dollars fund Israeli-government-approved violations of human 
rights.

While Israel and its dedicated U.S. Jewish supporters know they have 
the president and most of Congress in their hands, they worry about 
grassroots America - the well-meaning Christians who care for justice. 
Thus far, most Christians were unaware of what it was they didn't know 
about Israel. They were indoctrinated by U.S. supporters of Israel in 
their own country and when they traveled to the Land of Christ most 
all did so under Israeli sponsorship. That being the case, it was 
unlikely a Christian ever met a Palestinian or learned what caused the 
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

This is gradually changing, however. And this change disturbs the 
Israelis. As an example, delegates attending a Christian Sa beel 
conference in Bethlehem earlier this year said they were harassed by 
Israeli security at the Tel Aviv airport.

"They asked us," said one delegate, "Why did you use a Palestinian 
travel agency? Why didn't you use an Israeli agency?" The 
interrogation was so extensive and hostile that Sabeel leaders called 
a special session to brief the delegates on how to handle the 
harassment. Obviously, said one delegate, "The Israelis have a policy 
to discourage us from visiting the Holy Land except under their 
sponsorship. They don't want Christians to start learning all they 
have never known about Israel."

Grace Halsell is a Washington, DC-based writer and author of Journey 
to Jerusalem and Prophecy and Politics




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US senators reject Iraq troop 'surge'
By Krishna Guha in Washington

Published: January 28 2007 20:18 | Last updated: January 28 2007 20:18

Support for President George W. Bush's strategy to inject more troops 
into Iraq frayed further on Sunday, ahead of a week in which Congress 
is expected to distance itself formally from the plan.

Arlen Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate judiciary 
committee, became the latest Republican senator to voice opposition to 
the "surge", telling CBS News: "I cannot support sending additional 
troops to Iraq."

Senators are expected to vote on Wednesday on non-binding resolutions 
criticising the strategy, which would see an extra 21,500 US troops 
committed to Iraq - mainly in Baghdad - combined with a tougher 
security approach from the Iraqi government.

Joseph Biden, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations 
Committee, who will announce his presidential bid on the day of the 
vote, told ABC News: "You will not find 20 per cent of the Senate 
standing up and saying the president is heading in the right 
direction."

Mr Biden, who accused Mr Bush of ignoring "95 per cent of the advice" 
that was given to him by the Iraq Study Group and members of Congress, 
said "the ground has moved beneath the president's feet".

Vice President Dick Cheney has stepped back out into the media 
spotlight to defend the administration's Iraq strategy. On Sunday, the 
White House released the transcript of an interview with Mr Cheney in 
Newsweek magazine, in which he admitted that pre-war intelligence was 
"flawed" but warned of the global consequences of failure in Iraq.

At the start of the week it appeared likely that a majority of 
senators would support one or more of the competing draft resolutions 
critical of the planned surge.

One, sponsored by Mr Biden and Chuck Hagel, the number two Republican 
on the foreign relations committee, is firmly critical of the Bush 
plan. Another, drafted by John Warner, the senior Republican on the 
Senate armed services committee, is milder but still expresses 
disagreement with the troop surge.

Analysts expect intense political manoeuvring ahead of any vote, with 
critics of the White House expected to seek to combine the Biden and 
Warner bills, and supporters anxious to split the doubters' vote 
between competing resolutions.

Underlining the continuing security problems, US and Iraqi security 
forces clashed with Sunni militants near the southern Iraqi city of 
Najaf on Sunday, as violence in the capital killed at least a dozen 
people on the eve of the Shia holy day of Ashura. There were 
unconfirmed reports late on Sunday night that as many as 250 militants 
may have been killed in the fighting.

Earlier on Saturday tens of thousands of anti-war demonstrators 
gathered in Washington to protest the planned surge. Only a handful of 
Democratic members of Congress attended the demonstration, which 
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Iran takes possession of Russian air defense missiles
US furious over Moscow's sale of antiaircraft systems to Tehran.
By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

Iranian officials said Wednesday that they had received a delivery of 
advanced Russian air defense systems that are designed to protect its 
nuclear facilities at Isfahan, Bushehr, Tehran, and eastern Iran from 
attack, primarily from Israeli or American aircraft. The Associated 
Press reports that the arrival of the sophisticated systems came just 
before Iran began three days of military war gaming.

"We have had constructive defense transactions with Russia and we 
purchased Tor-M1 missiles that were recently delivered to us," the 
official Web site of Iranian state television quoted Minister of 
Defense Mostafa Mohammad Najjar as saying.

Najjar did not say how many missiles were delivered or when they 
arrived. Previously Moscow said it would supply 29 of the mobile 
surface-to-air missile systems to Iran under a $700 million contract 
signed in December 2005, Russian media has reported.

The BBC reports that the US "wants all countries to stop exporting 
weapons to Iran, but that Russia and China strongly oppose the move."

The response from the United States was almost immediate in the wake 
of the transaction. MosNews reports that Wednesday afternoon US State 
Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that the delivery of the Tor-
M1 missile system may cause the US to impose new sanctions against 
Russia, especially since the US had already harshly criticized the 
contract and "had urged the Kremlin to terminate it."

Washington believes that Russia should not have sold up-to-date arms 
to the country which refuses to meet the UN Security Council's 
requirements for development of nuclear industry. The international 
community should review the selling of Russian systems for anti 
missile defense of Teheran, McCormack said.

Another diplomat from the US State Department, who wished to remain 
anonymous, was quoted by Pravda.ru website as saying that punitive 
measures could be applied against the direct seller of the above-
mentioned missile complexes and probably the buyer, but not the 
Russian government. The official did not specify whether the US 
administration has already initiated the process connected with the 
Russian-Iranian arms deal.

MosNews also reports that Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov has 
repeatedly said the arms deal did not violate any international 
treaties or UN resolutions because the Tor-M1 system is defensive only 
and cannot be used to attack. In December of 2005, when Russia signed 
to deal, and the US responded by saying it was not good for the US or 
the region, Mr. Ivanov replied that it was "a legitimate deal between 
the two countries, no matter if someone liked it or not."

Russian ambassador Vitaly Churkin, current president of the UN 
Security Council, while not explicitly confirming the deal, said they 
had "nothing to do" with UN sanctions over Iran's nuclear program. 
Kommersant reports that Russia does not believe that the Tor-M1 
missiles will change the balance of power in the region because the 
missles are "of medium range not designed for hitting ground targets."

Al Jazeera reports that Amr Moussa, the Arab League secretary-general, 
has told the World Economic Forum in Davos that attacking Iran would 
spread sectarian violence throughout the region.

Mr. Moussa said the United States needed to move from use of military 
force towards dialogue, to resolve the violence in Iraq and to reduce 
US-Iranian tensions. He said that he supported proposals for talks 
with Iran and Syria.

"If there were to be a war, other genies will get out of the bottle," 
he said. "You cannot imagine the impact on the Gulf countries, on the 
Mediterranean."

In an important policy speech Wednesday, the The Associated Press 
reports that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel will respond to an 
Iranian nuclear threat with "with all the means at our disposal." Mr. 
Olmert also said that he does not believe that the threat of a nuclear 
attack on Israel is imminent, and that there is still time for a 
diplomatic solution to the problem. But he added that the 
international community has no choice but to act against Iran, 
particularly after bellicose statements from Iranian President 
Ahmadinejad.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the fence, the Chicago Tribune reports 
that Russia is denouncing the US plan to build a system of missile 
sites in Eastern Europe. The US has said the system is designed to 
protect Europe against Iranian missiles, but Russia says that is 
nonsense since Iran "doesn't want or have" intercontinental ballistic 
missiles" capable of reaching Europe, and that the real target of the 
plan is Russia.

The Bush administration has argued that the shield is needed to defend 
Europe and the US against a potential attack from Iran or North Korea. 
While neither country has intercontinental ballistic missiles capable 
of reaching Europe, the shield is warranted because both could one day 
develop that capability, US officials say.

Russian leaders derided that logic, instead insisting the defense 
shield was meant to target Russia and its vast nuclear arsenal. 
Russian Gen. Vladimir Popovkin, who commands a division of the Russian 
army in charge of space technology, said the system could "monitor 
rocket installations in central Russia and the Northern Fleet. Our 
analysis shows that the location of the US base would be a clear 
threat to Russia."

The Tribune also reports that many Russian analysts and diplomats 
believe that Russian gave the US "too much leeway" after the 9/11 
attacks and that the US has encroached on Russia's sphere of influence 
to an unacceptable degree.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0125/p99s01-duts.html?s=t5




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raqi Resistance Report for events of Saturday, 27 January 2007


Twelve US troops reported killed in day of Resistance attacks in 
Baghdad.



In a dispatch posted at 9:39pm Makkah time Saturday night, Mafkarat al-
Islam reported that a total of 12 US troops had been killed in various 
Resistance attacks in and around Baghdad on Saturday.

The correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam reported that the first light 
of dawn on Saturday came from three Katyusha rockets fired by the 
Iraqi Resistance in Baghdad's al-'Amiriyah district at the US base in 
the west of that area, setting a fire and sending plumes of smoke 
rising into the sky.

At 8am local time Saturday morning, an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded 
by a US patrol on al-Mudif Street also in al-'Amiriyah. The blast 
killed two US troops and wounded two more of them. One of those lost 
his leg, according to electrical appliance shop owners whose places of 
business overlook the area where the bomb went off, Mafkarat al-Islam 
reported.

An Iraqi Resistance marksman shot and killed a US soldier in the 
Baghdad district of al-Mansur, Mafkarat al-Islam reported. The attack 
occurred near the as-Sa'ah restaurant in the middle of al-Mansur and a 
witness said that the American soldier was hit in the back of the head 
by a bullet from a Resistance sharpshooter's gun. Afterwards, US 
forces surrounded the area from 9am to 10:30am as they searched for 
the Resistance man but to no avail.

An Iraqi Resistance rocket exploded violently in a US base on the 
highway in the southern suburb of ad-Durah, Mafkarat al-Islam 
reported. A plume of black smoke was seen rising over the facility.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb that had been planted in a popcorn cart that 
was leaning against a wall went off by a US patrol, killing one 
American soldier and severely wounding a second, Mafkarat al-Islam 
reported.

In the Baghdad district of al-Husayniyah an Iraqi Resistance car bomb 
that had been parked by the side of a road blew up by a patrol of US 
and puppet Iraqi troops, Mafkarat al-Islam reported. The blast 
disabled one vehicle, destroyed a second, and left one American 
soldier and four of the puppet troops dead, according to Captain 'Ali 
Kazim of the al-Husayniyah puppet police station.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded by a fuel tanker supplying US forces 
on the al-Bu Bali Road in the northern Baghdad suburb of at-Taji, 
Mafkarat al-Islam reported. The blast killed one US soldier and an 
Asian truck driver when it went off at 4pm local time Saturday 
afternoon.

http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/116784




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While US compaines and whines about the Iranians entering Iraq ro help 
their brothers fignt occupation, UNITED STATES IS PAYING 80,000 
PROFESSIONAL KILLERS THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY TO SLAUGHTER IRAQIS!




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On Feb 4, 6:38 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:06 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much.
>
> You stole my idea for your precious Pallies, Alex. I was nicer than
> you, however, and proposed giving them SoCal.
>
> > I will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> > Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock,
>
> LOL! How much can you and Mona spare, Alex?
>
> >after all didn't Rory
> > Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> > City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
> As accurate as ever, Alex. McCullough Oil Co. bought the bridge. The
> "whole village" is another figment of your fuzzy little imagination.
>
> Deborah

And up yours, twatty! I knew Rory and know that he was involved in
marketing the idea, there were many investrors in the project. You
have obviously never seen it



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On Feb 4, 8:04 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much. I
> > will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> > Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock, after all didn't Rory
> > Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> > City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
> There is no need for arabs to pass into Israel.  They should not even care
> about the wall.

There is no need for the fucking Jews to steal Arab land to build
their idiotic walls on



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On Feb 3, 9:35 pm, "Mettas Mother"  wrote:
> So when war comes these motherfuckers want to run away uh!

You better believe it! Not only the tunnels and walls. Zionists have
made arrangement to evacuate the whole shebang to good old USA in a
matter of days
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:repost.93901.1170459881.973174.307620@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > IS OLMERT'S SUITCASE ALREADY PACKED?
> > Thursday, February 1, 2007
>
> > On January 2, 2007, the Hebrew newspaper, Maariv, published a very
> > important article by Moshe Feiglin.  This article appeared
> > subsequently in an English translation in various publications in
> > Israel, as well as in the United States. The title given by Feiglin to
> > his article is "Gimme Shelter." I am including his article in its
> > entirety.
>
> > Gimme Shelter
> > By Moshe Feiglin
>
> > Why does Israel have to invest three billion shekels to build an
> > underground nuclear bomb shelter for the government? For those of you
> > who do not understand what the endless construction work at the
> > entrance to Jerusalem is all about, we have some disconcerting news.
> > The construction is part of an atomic shelter six kilometers long in
> > which Olmert, Livni, Peretz and their aides can continue to run the
> > country with no fear -- even if a nuclear mushroom is billowing at
> > street level. The shelter also serves as a shortcut to Israel's
> > airport. No, this is not a joke. An elevator descends from the Prime
> > Minister's office to the secret tunnels, far from the traffic
> > congestion on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway -- or the radioactive
> > congestion - straight to the airport and the reunion with Olmert's
> > sons in New York. It's sort of like a modern-day Cave of Tzedekiah.
>
> > Recently, I heard Avi Farchan -- twice exiled from his home in Sinai
> > and Gush Katif -- express his ire at the fact that the government is
> > searching for a place to shelter the residents of Israel's south in
> > the case of heavy shelling from Gaza. "There is no difference between
> > the residents of Sderot and the residents of Ein Gev and Gadot, who
> > continued to plow their fields under Syrian shelling," Farchan
> > insisted. It is impossible not to like Farchan, but he is a bit
> > reminiscent of the Japanese soldier that continued to "fight" in the
> > jungles tens of years after Hirohito had surrendered. The kibbutzniks
> > in Ein Gev who continued plowing their fields had leadership that
> > intended to triumph. The residents of Sderot are soldiers whose
> > leadership has backed out of the battle, leaving them abandoned in the
> > battlefield. Who has the right to tell them to stay put and be sitting
> > ducks, when their government has already surrendered?
>
> > The only way to understand what is happening now in the Western Negev
> > and in the negotiations for the release of Gilad Shalit is to realize
> > that Israel's government has already surrendered. When they tell us
> > that there is "no solution for the Kassams," they mean that they have
> > raised the white flag. The State of Israel continues to exist due to
> > inertia and thanks to the perseverance of its citizens.
>
> > So why spend so much money to shelter the government far underground?
> > After all, Israel has already waved the white flag of surrender. Why
> > take bread out of the mouths of the poor? The elegant solution would
> > be to send the government to a safe haven in London now. Why London?
> > Because the English have experience with governments in exile.
>
> > In his research, Military Historian Dr. Uri Milstein claims that
> > Israel won the Six Day War because the Chief of Staff broke under the
> > pressure of the war and was hospitalized in a psychiatric institution,
> > rendering him incapable of bungling the army's battle plan. Who knows?
> > Maybe a government exile, elegantly implemented under the pressure of
> > current events -- will liberate the healthy forces in this Nation,
> > allowing them to rise, defend themselves and triumph?
>
> > Just think about all the money that we could save if we would halt the
> > atomic shelter project. Think about all the miserable Arab refugees
> > from Gaze who would be thrilled to get a small fraction of this money
> > and start a new life in Canada. With these colossal sums we could have
> > a genuine peace process here. And if we add the 13 billion dollars
> > that the Separation Fence will cost (That's right, the fence that
> > cannot stop anything from flying over it or crawling under it) we
> > could also begin to solve the problem of the Arabs of Shechem and
> > Jenin. And if we add the cost of the Disengagement, we could begin to
> > consider solving the problem of Israel's Arabs - who are involved in
> > approximately half of the terror attacks attempted or perpetrated
> > against Israelis. And if we add to all this money the incessant flow
> > of funds that Israel has transferred to the terrorists since Oslo -
> > who knows? Maybe we could have set them all up with good jobs and nice
> > houses all over the globe? And we may have even had something left for
> > medicines and food for hungry children in Israel. After all, we have
> > already accepted the principle of Evacuation-Compensation, haven't
> > we?
>
> > What? Gaza and Shechem belong to them??? O.K., if you think so, maybe
> > you really should take the elevator underground - as close as possible
> > to the airport.
>
> > * * *
>
> > In the hills outside Jerusalem, the Israeli government is now building
> > a massive war bunker where top government officials would take shelter
> > in case of biological, chemical or nuclear attack.
>
> > The construction of the underground bunker was approved in the last
> > decade when Prime Minister Ehud Olmert served as mayor of Jerusalem.
>
> > Last night, Israel TV Channel 2 tried to film the clandestine goings
> > on in the beautiful hills of Jerusalem surrounding the Spring of
> > Lifta. They were prevented from filming this by government "security"
> > guards. The only pictures the TV crew came away with were of two
> > enormous hills of dirt.
>
> > It now develops that the building of this bunker is an old story,
> > originally published some five years ago in local Jerusalem
> > newspapers, but not by any of the major newspapers. Government
> > suppression?
>
> > THE BIG QUESTION IS: Are the suitcases of Olmert's family, his merry
> > crew of ministers, deputy ministers, and friends, and their families,
> > already packed?
>
> > With Blessings and Love for Israel,
>
> > Ruth Matar




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On Feb 4, 6:57 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 4:08 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > The Jewish-dominated American mass media and the Israeli-controlled
> > politicians do not want the American people to fully realize
>
> If a handful of Israeli control US pols, and the American media is
> controlled by less than 2% of the population, it must follow that the
> rest of you haven't much of an option, because you're so fewken dumb.
> Right, Alex, you senile AK?
>
> Deborah

yOU MIGHT BE RIGHT WE ARE FOOLS TO LET JEWS RUN OUR PRESSES AND
BUSINESS AND CULTURE!

RABBI WANTS ALL ARABS DEAD:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm



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On Feb 4, 10:06 am, "sshay"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170562013.962730.14210@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much. I
> > will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> > Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock, after all didn't Rory
> > Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> > City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Ross
>
>   Barney Ross, born Dov-Ber Rasofsky (December 23, 1909-January 17, 1967),
> was a Jewish American three-time world boxing champion and a war hero during
> World War II.
>
>  Another fine Jew Alex, can you believe it?

Never heard of him, but I did hear of Mohammad Ali



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR KIKELAND
Date: 4 Feb 2007 09:44:55 -0800
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On Feb 4, 12:11 pm, "L Alpert"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Feb 4, 8:04 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
> >> Venceremos wrote:
> >>> Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much. I
> >>> will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> >>> Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock, after all didn't Rory
> >>> Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> >>> City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
> >> There is no need for arabs to pass into Israel.  They should not
> >> even care about the wall.
>
> > There is no need for the fucking Jews to steal Arab land to build
> > their idiotic walls on
>
> Jews taking back the land that was stolen from them.  Nothing more, nothing
> less.

Stolen by whom? By  those who did not leave Palestine? What possible
right would Adolf Sharon have to Palestine, when he is a Russian by
origin, blood and motherhood?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: 9 TRILLION DOLARS IN THE HOLE...
Date: 4 Feb 2007 09:56:01 -0800
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.... AND UNITED STATES STILL INSISTS ON SUPPORTING THE FASCIST STATE
OF ISRAEL WITH OUR MONEY!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Ghurkas are "kinetic," and will retake Musa Qala. The World Will Rejoice.
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On Feb 4, 12:29 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> http://images.google.com/images?q=Musa+Qala&ndsp=20&svnum=10&hl=en&sa...


THE WORLD WILL NOT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GHURKA'S DEFEAT

Ghurkas are "kukri" warriors, unfortunately for them so are Afghanis.
Taliban is shit, but so are most of the corrupt gangsters US has
installed in Afghanistan



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: How Important can Musa Qala be? Fighting Two Wars With a Peacetime Army.
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On Feb 4, 12:22 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> A strategy in tatters
> The loss of Musa Qala to the Taliban leaves the under-resourced
> British military in Afghanistan at the mercy of a more aggressive US
> command.
>
> Robert Fox
>
> February 2, 2007 07:30 PM
> Kandahar - The Taliban capture of the centre of Musa Qala in northern
> Helmand is the biggest setback to British efforts in Afghanistan since
> Tony Blair first sent troops there at the end of 2001.
>
> The town, in the opium poppy growing belt along the Helmand river, had
> been held by British paratroopers in desperate fighting through much
> of the summer. British forces were spread out in small outposts or
> "platoon houses" across the province - in the hope they would become
> small havens of security from which the British and Afghan government
> force hoped to spread "ink spots" of peace across the province - one
> of the most violent in all Afghanistan.
>
> Britain has about 5,400 service men and women now in Afghanistan, but
> of them only 1,000 or so are combat troops. They are served by only
> seven Chinook transport helicopters and eight Apache AH-64 helicopter
> gunships to protect them.
>
> With such thin resources, the British stability plan always contained
> an element of bluff. By mid summer, within a few weeks of the arrival
> of British forces in Helmand, it was evident that the Taliban were far
> more numerous, better-armed and prepared than British and Nato
> intelligence had indicated. It was feared that some of the isolated
> positions in Sangin, and Now Zad, as well as Musa Qala, might be
> overrun and their British and Afghan army garrisons slaughtered.
>
> A deal was struck for the Taliban and the British to leave the centre
> of Musa Qala and the elders and their council to take over. It was
> discussed and endorsed by President Karzai himself and the senior
> British commanders, including General David Richards, the British
> commander of the entire international force ISAF, now some 32,000
> strong. This week, as the deal was evidently unravelling, no one
> wanted take responsibility for it.
>
> All week, relations between the elders and the local Taliban became
> more fractious. The house of a suspected Taliban leader, Mullah
> Gaffur, was bombed by an American B1B Lancer bomber, but he escaped
> and his car was later spotted by a Nato drone, abandoned in a ditch.
>
> On the first day of this month, the Taliban attacked the centre of
> town but were repulsed by local militia. In the morning, they attacked
> again, ramming a tractor into the police station and wrecking a large
> part of it. Compounds and houses were set on fire and hundreds fled
> fearing a retaliatory air raid by Nato.
>
> Officials at the British command in Helmand admit they had been
> stunned by the attack. Most will say that, while the Musa Qala deal
> was not perfect, it showed a way in which local Afghans could take
> charge of their own security and fend off the Taliban. "We knew we
> could never carry out a pacification," a senior British commander at
> Nato told me. "You have to get down and dirty and do these local
> deals."
>
> Although the Italian and, on occasion, the American troops in southern
> Afghanistan have successfully cut similar deals for local leaders to
> stand up against the Taliban, the Americans are dead against the
> British approach of mild threat and rough diplomacy.
>
> "The Americans are always kinetic about these things - believing in
> hard force first," said a British general concerned with relations
> with the Americans. The new American commander who takes charge of the
> international force in Afghanistan, Isaf, on Sunday, General Dan
> "Bomber" McNeil has made his disapproval plain to the British. "He
> describes the Musa Qala deal as a tactical mistake and a strategic
> disaster," said a Nato source.
>
> Which leaves British strategy and forces in Afghanistan in a bit of a
> spot. The forces are still under pressure at other isolated centres -
> virtually under siege in Sangiun, which holds the vital 611 main north-
> south highway, and at Now Zad, where they are held in a ceasefire by a
> more robust version of the Musa Qala truce. Royal Marines are involved
> in a ragged guerrilla campaign around Garmsir, which includes the main
> drug-smuggling route to Iran, as well as one of the main channels for
> bringing Taliban recruits from Pakistan.
>
> The British know they do not have the forces or back-up to go on the
> offensive in a way the new McNeil command of international forces is
> likely to want. In particular, they are short of support from medium-
> sized and attack helicopters. The extra resources are not likely to be
> found while UK forces are so heavily committed in Iraq as well as
> Afghanistan, and the Treasury is demanding what amounts to a real cut
> in funding in the current Comprehensive Spending Review. "The trouble
> is that the government wants to fight two wars with what, in terms of
> resources and funding, is really a peacetime army," said one senior
> officer recently.


Musa Qala is a classical bit of deception on the part of Afghanis.
British called for the meeting of the leaders of Musa Qala, in order
to take over Musa Qala from the British, and guess who came to the
party...TALIBAN



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Mossad Did What to Whom?
Date: 4 Feb 2007 10:11:21 -0800
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On Feb 4, 9:51 am, "Iamhere"  wrote:
> Once again,the Jews have become scapegoats. According to the news
> scroll on debka.com, the Iranians are saying the Persian nuke brain
> was done in by the Mossad.

Mossad is the Gestapo of the world. The crimes comitted by Mossad are
so numerous, that it would take many books to expose them all

How about starting by readin Victor Ostrvsky the ex Mossad agent



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: CLITORIS CLINTON KISSES ZIONAZI ARSE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY
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On Feb 3, 9:10 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:55 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > Venceremos wrote:
> > > Promising AIPAC to attack Iran for them, while lying to the rest of
> > > the America that she will stop the war! Just how low can you get?
>
> > LIAR. She didn't promise to attack Iran.
>
> > --
> > Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com
>
> No, she didn't. Venceremos fabricates it as he goes along. The only
> thing he doesn't fake is his antisemitism.


Now tell me how could my anti semitism possibly affect Jews who are
not semites by any stratch of imagination



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: AND WHY SHOULDN'T IRAN SUPPORT HEZBOLLAH?
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DOESN'T UNITED STATES SUPPORT ISRAEL? SOMEBODY IN THIS WORLD HAS TO DO
THE RIGHT THING!

Report: Nasrallah admits Iran supplies Hezbollah with arms

By Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondent

Hezbollah head Hassan Nasrallah has said it is no secret that Iran is
aiding Hezbollah by sending money and weapons via Syria.

In remarks published in an interview in the weekend issue of the
Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai Al-Aam, Nasrallah also is willing to receive
aid not only from Iran but also from Muslim countries that have
diplomatic ties with Israel, such as Egypt, and states that are
considered moderate, such as Saudi Arabia.

The interviewer, Dr. Saad Eddin Ibrahim, said he met Nasrallah several
days ago in Lebanon. Ibrahim, a vocal critic of the Egyptian regime,
is the chair of Cairo's Ibn Khaldun Center for Development Studies.


Nasrallah told Ibrahim that his organization kidnapped Israeli
soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser in order to effect the
release of Lebanese prisoners being held in Israel, but admitted that
he had made mistakes.

"Perhaps we erred, only God does not make mistakes, and we have
apologized to the Lebanese people for this and have paid a heavy price
in blood. We do not hesitate to sacrifice our children in the name of
our righteous struggle," Nasrallah said.

According to Ibrahim, Nasrallah denied any ambition to be a pan-Arab
or pan-Islamic leader, or even to lead Lebanon.

"My agenda is based on one principle, ridding the oppression and
injustice from which the Shi'ite sect in Lebanon suffers and turning
the Shi'ites into genuine partners in leading and creating the state,
and removing the Israeli threat," Nasrallah said.

Ibrahim said Nasrallah rejected claims that he is aiming to become a
leader of the Arab or Islamic worlds, or even of Lebanon.

"My agenda is based on one principle: removing the discrimination
suffered by Shi'ites in Lebanon and to turn the Shi'ites into real
partners in the work and leadership of the state. As well, removing
the Israeli threat," he said.

According to Ibrahim, Nasrallah also rejected comparisons between him
and former Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser - who in 1952 led a
military officers' coup against the existing government - and of this
summer's war against Israel to the Suez Crisis of 1956, in which Egypt
suffered heavy losses by Israel, Britain and France but obtained
control of the Suez Canal.

"There is no room for comparison between Nasser and any other Arab
leader in our time - Nasser led a historic revolution and became the
leader of the largest Arab country. In the Suez War he achieved
results on a global scale, but my aspirations do not extend beyond the
Lebanese arena," he said.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/821548.html



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On Feb 4, 1:46 pm, "FRANKIE LEE"  wrote:
> Coalition will prevail in Iraq.
>
> "Overly cautious optimisms" seem to be the silly phrase used by pundits
> nowadays.
>
> The reality of the ground can be changed and this fact is truthful. It is
> rather disappointing for the NIE estimates belittling the resources of
> Coalition forces had in comparison with the Insurgencies and the fire-power
> and resolved of the Coalition strength versus the ongoing sectarian
> conflicts by these pathetic and worn-out groups who live beggarly.

There is no coalition, and there is no "sectarian violence" except the
bombings staged by the ZioNazi agents!
Oh I forgot the island of Tuvalu is still in coalition and Kiribati is
joining up!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Popular anti-Black, anti-Semitic hatemonger returns to YouTube
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On Feb 4, 3:34 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
> The internet savy hatemonger previously known on YouTube as rvwolfpack and
> prohatedebate has returned to spew his hatred of non-whites.  Most of his
> diatribe is directed againts Jews.  This is in violation of YouTube terms of
> use policy and after Youtube came under new management, he was finally
> banned and all his hate videos removed.

I am sure that Jews are happy being able to curtail free speech!
In order to be ofended by anti semitism, Jews would have to be
semites, they are not!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 4, 5:49 pm, "Gary Renzetti"  wrote:
> "Spaz"  wrote in message
>
> news:memdnd7aiaxJ2FvYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com...> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1170611761.792156.109480@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> .... AND UNITED STATES STILL INSISTS ON SUPPORTING THE FASCIST STATE
> >> OF ISRAEL WITH OUR MONEY!
>
> > The United States fully supports Israel because it is the will of the
> > American people.  Nobody is forcing you to send your money to Israel.
> > America does it because they WANT to do it.  If you don't like it, that=
's
> > YOUR problem.  Find something else to do other than hate.  You'll feel
> > much better.
>
> Funny, I don't recall the American people being asked if they'd rather if
> they'd rather the 3+billion annually sent to the zioscum was better spent=
 on
> improving their health care or schools or relieving urban poverty should =
go
> towards ersatz "isr-el=AE" or would be better spent at home. Do you?
> If so, please show us the link...

American people are the last to be asked to approve anything
concerning Israel !



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: RABBI WANTS ALL ARABS DEAD!
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On Feb 4, 6:19 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm
>
> -- Why are you posting an article that is six years old Alex?. Let me guess
> ,to whip up hatred towards all Jews .
> Rabbis Ovadia has been arrested and charged with inciting  hatred against
> Arabs more than once. Most Israelis don't like him or think he's demented.
> The only people who take him seriously are members ofShas and even they make
> excuses for him by saying he is very old and  a bit senile.
> By far the majority of  Israelis  dislike what he says and wish he would
> shutup. The Government has warned him that if he makes statements like this
> he
> will be charged and is likely to  go to jail.
> Rabbi Ovadia is a ME Jew who was thrown out of his country because he is
> Jewish. He suffered directly at the hand of Arabs. Perhaps that explains his
> hatred of them.
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Rabbi Ovadia speaks what extremists amongst the Zionist think. That is
the whole problem. I am not totally unfamiliar with Israel and Israeli
politics, you know. Article is old, I know, but Zionazis are quoting
articles demonizing muslims which are many decades old



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Popular anti-Black, anti-Semitic hatemonger returns to YouTube
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On Feb 4, 8:21 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
> > The problem is that you are advocating the banning of free speech.
>
> Um, no I'm not.  I'm advocating the good people of the world stand up to one
> hatemonger and help YouTube enforce their own rules of conduct so our
> children don't have to be exposed to his vile racist hate speech.  Perhaps
> you should go back and read my post again, and show me where I say I want to
> ban free speech.  And next time, THINK before you support another
> anti-Semitic hatemonger.

You still insist that Jews are semites and are being offended by some
idiot who hates SEMITES There are millions of things I would like
removed from the web, which I consider both tasteless and offensive,
but thet would involve denying others free speach. Why do you watch
the garbage if it offends you?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WHY ?
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On Feb 4, 4:29 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> Until the creation of Israel, the Palestinians did not demand for
> itself a proper national identity.
And neither did the Blackfoot Indians of the Rockies, but they are
still Blackfoots



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Subject: Re: Zionists alarmed by the insidious nature of Arab propaganda: "....(our) superior political and historical claim (to Golan and Sheba Farms)" will be endangered.
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 It never ceases to amazes me how easily Israeli fascists invent
reasons for the occupation of someone else's land, murder of thousands
of people, and hate of the natives of Middle East!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 9 TRILLION DOLARS IN THE HOLE...
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 Oh well we can always sell few more federal highways, bridges and
tunnels to Spain, Germany and Sweden to bolster our borrowing capacity!



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Subject: Re: JEW WAR COSTS
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On Feb 4, 4:49 pm, "L Alpert"  wrote:
> Boedi...@isp.com wrote:
> > L Alpert wrote:
> >> ojum...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> Senator Bird kindly explained that the current Jew War has cost US
> >>> taxpayer roughly 400 billion dollars to date!
>
> >> Just shut the fuck up and pay.  You are our bitch.
>
> >  And they wonder why they get thrown out of every country they have
> >  infested for the past 2000 years. Are you *that* stupid that
> >  you imagine that people will assume you are joking!!

Worst is yet to come, the feelings amongst most people are very
similar as they were in 1933



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Four choppers downed in two weeks, probably by heat seeking missles. Should Gorbachev be consulted?
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On Feb 4, 12:49 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=four+helicopters&btnG=Search...

Why Gorbachev? Does Mikhail make heat seeking missiles? Besides, these
missiles are made in many Arab countries, including Egypt Jordan and
Syria. They are no big deal!



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On Feb 4, 1:46 pm, "FRANKIE LEE"  wrote:
> Coalition will prevail in Iraq.
>
> "Overly cautious optimisms" seem to be the silly phrase used by pundits
> nowadays.
>
> The reality of the ground can be changed and this fact is truthful. It is
> rather disappointing for the NIE estimates belittling the resources of

ACCORDING TO YOU, THE BETTER PROPAGANDA YOU HAVE THE MORE LIKELY YOU
ARE TO WIN TELLING LIES:

Lies come in many forms. Partial truths, selective facts, out of
context quotes and information, partial historical perspective and out
right misrepresentation of facts. It is easy to manipulate the public.
If you become aware of the methods of deception you are better
prepared to sift through the propaganda for the few facts that are
actually made available by our broadcast our news media. Learn their
tricks, stay on your toes and become a better informed (responsible)
citizen.

Learn  a bit how media deception works. Take "the Cycle".  Click here
to start and then click "Next" on the bottom of each page. It's a
short trip through the basics of media deception.

      Journalism: 'j&r-n&l-"i-z&m - : writing characterized by a
direct presentation of facts or description of events without an
attempt at interpretation and without opinion.

      News: 'n=FCz, 'ny=FCz - A report of recent events"

      When opinion enters journalism exits. - TvNewsLIES.org

      The public was told that Saddam posed an imminent threat. If
that claim was fraudulent, the selling of the war is arguably the
worst scandal in American political history - worse than Watergate,
worse than Iran-contra. Indeed, the idea that we were deceived into
war makes many commentators so uncomfortable that they refuse to admit
the possibility. - Paul Krugman

      "Still, we have not seen such systematic distortion of
intelligence, such manipulation of American opinion, since the War in
Vietnam" - John Brady Keisling - Career US Diplomat 27-Feb-2003

      "It is reported that more than half of Americans believe that
Saddam Hussein is responsible for the terrorist attacks of 9/11. This
means that the U.S. media have utterly, spectacularly, shamefully and
pathetically failed." - THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! THE MEDIA IS 100%
RESPONSIBLE FOR ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN!!! 100% THEY ARE GUILTY!
PERIOD; END OF STORY!!! - TvNewsLies.org

      "In my 35 years in politics, one of the things that makes me
saddest is that I've seen a deterioration of the coverage of
government in the media" - Congressman Barney Frank

      "Here's a quiz for you: Name the best-known and most influential
conservative commentators in America? Rush Limbaugh? George F. Will?
Bill O'Reilly? Now, quick, who are their liberal counterparts?
      If you can't think of any, you're not alone." - Thane Peterson

      "Most of us whose bylines appear in the American media should be
embarrassed to look our readers, viewers and listeners in the eye. We
are being held up for ridicule by real journalists, such as Webb, from
nations that once looked upon us as the epitome of truth and
integrity. The ridicule is richly deserved." - DAVID HUNDTER - June
30, 2003



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:06:13 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: SERIAL KILLER IN THE WHITE HOUSE
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On Feb 4, 9:50 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> WHO HAS KILLED FIVE TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN SADDAM EVER DID!
>
> There is a serial killer living in the White House. He has spent the
> past six years successfully plotting the deaths of thousands upon
> thousands of people. Like others who kill without conscience, he
> remains unmoved by the ongoing bloodshed and destruction he has
> caused. And now, he is about to do it again.
>
> Someone has to stop George W. Bush before he kills more!
>
> Serial killers sometimes respond to inner voices telling them what to
> do. George Bush gets personal messages from his God and PNAC. His wars
> with Afghanistan and Iraq were planned and orchestrated by the war
> profiteers and ideologues who placed him into office in 2000. The
> regional chaos they needed to justify American military action in the
> region is going according to plan, and now the next stage is ready for
> launching. Any day now, the Bush Doctrine will be used to justify a
> killing machine that is gearing to attack Iran.
>
> Someone has to stop him before he triggers a final Armageddon.
>
> At TvNewsLIES.org, we believed this might happen before the last
> midterm election. We saw the handwriting on the proverbial wall, but
> were a bit early in our prediction. Right now, especially because
> George Bush is clearly denying that Iran is on his hit list, we are
> convinced that the plans are already in motion.
>
> Every major corporate media outlet is reporting that there is
> 'evidence' of Iran's role in supplying sophisticated weapons to the
> Shia in Iraq, and in assisting in the killing of American troops.
> We've all been there and done that. Not a shred of evidence supporting
> those charges has been presented to the Congress or the public, but
> the rhetoric gets louder and louder. Iran's nuclear capability is
> touted as a threat to the US and the region, despite the reality that
> any nuclear strike by any nation would result in its immediate
> annihilation. Logic has been buried, and terror threats have once
> again been broadcast to the public.
>
> Someone has to stop him, and soon.
>
> Dick Cheney, Chief Puppeteer and War Monger in the WH, recently stated
> that the President does NOT have to listen to Congress or the people
> of the nation. The Decider, it seems, can do whatever he pleases and
> the rest of us be damned. He does NOT have to listen to anyone at all,
> and that is becoming more and more obvious. This morning, three former
> military leaders issued a dire warning to George W. Bush....and he is
> not about to listen to them at all.
>
> The letter was sent to the Sunday Times of London by retired Army Lt.
> Gen. Robert Gard, a former military assistant to Defense Secretary
> Robert McNamara, retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Hoar, a former
> commander in chief of U.S. Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Adm.
> Jack Shanahan, a former director of the Center for Defense
> Information. These experienced and concerned officers warned that
> attacking Iran "would have disastrous consequences for security in the
> region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further exacerbate regional
> and global tensions." They cautioned that "the current crisis must be
> resolved through diplomacy," and they urged the President to "engage
> immediately in direct talks with the government of Iran without
> preconditions."
>
> Did you hear about this on your network news today, or did you hear
> discussion after discussion about Iran's role in aiding the insurgency
> and the danger of its nuclear program?
>
> The fears of these three men, like the advice of the Baker-Hamilton
> Iraq Group, are being ignored - as were the voices of those who warned
> against the tragic and failed war against Iraq. Afghanistan, Iraq,
> Iran and Syria all are on the PNAC hit list that would supposedly lead
> to American military domination of the Middle East. The plans were set
> in rapid motion when these madmen got their 'new Pearl Harbor' on
> September 11th, 2001. And here they go again.
>
> The serial killer we know as George W. Bush was installed in the White
> House to do exactly what he is doing now. He is on the loose and about
> to strike again.
>
> He has to be stopped before he kills more. He has to be stopped
> quickly and legally.
>
> Whatever that takes.
THIS IS WHY THEY HATE US

http://www.uruknet.info/?colonna=m&p=30337&l=e&size=1&hd=0



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 5, 5:25 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > Every major corporate media outlet is reporting that there is
> > 'evidence' of Iran's role in supplying sophisticated weapons to the
> > Shia in Iraq, and in assisting in the killing of American troops.
> > We've all been there and done that. Not a shred of evidence supporting
> > those charges has been presented to the Congress or the public, but
> > the rhetoric gets louder and louder.
>
> Alex if they do provide proof then what?

If the rope is good for saddam it is also good for Shrub!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 5, 12:12 am, "Cazador"  wrote:
> On Feb 4, 9:24 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 12:49 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
>
> > >http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=four+helicopters&btnG=Search...
>
> > Why Gorbachev? Does Mikhail make heat seeking missiles? Besides, these
> > missiles are made in many Arab countries, including Egypt Jordan and
> > Syria. They are no big deal!
>
> They may be a pretty big deal in the long run.
>
> I mention Gorbachev because he presided over the withdrawal of Soviet
> troops from Afghanistan. Stinger shoulder fired heat seeking missles
> which the CIA had introduced to the Mujahideen via Pakistan broke the
> back of their effort there. At the time our support of the Afghan war
> lords seemed an almost poetic pay-back for the support the Soviets had
> given the North Vietnamese in the sixties and seventies. If what I
> think is happening now is true, the poetry will be gone.

What broke the back of the Soviets, was the US aid to the mijaheddin!X



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 DEAD MEN WALKING
Dead Men Walking

by Karen Kwiatkowski, Ph.D., Lt. Col. USAF (ret.)

Without a doubt, George W. Bush is a lame duck with an even lamer
foreign policy. We may well call from our own cells "Dead man
walking!' Yet, just as the late Saddam Hussein, Bush remains publicly
defiant, the model of a patriotic strongman in a time of national
calamity.

As with the late Saddam Hussein, the national calamity Bush addresses
- our Middle East militarism - is entirely of his own making. As with
the late Saddam Hussein, Bush fancies himself a strategic genius with
an under-appreciated political vision. As with the late Saddam
Hussein, the number of his devotees has long dwindled, with those
remaining faithful tending to do so for tradition rather than
principle.

In the fifty states, we grieve our more than three thousand dead
American troops, our 400 or so dead American contractors, and our
50,000 physically and psychologically scarred Americans. Occupied Iraq
surely grieves its 650,000 dead Iraqis, its millions of wounded, its
25 to 40% unemployment rate, its lost oil revenues. It is abundantly
clear that these Iraqi deaths and economic crimes are not the result
of Saddam Hussein's leadership. This fact is not missed by either
average Americans or Iraqis.

We can certainly understand why our pimped out and bitch-slapped Iraqi
Prime minister Nouri Maliki wants to quit. We wonder at the barely
suppressed rage of George H.W. Bush and his team as their compromise
path to save the presidency for Jeb - if not salvage what's left of
the U.S. Army - is tasted and then quickly spat out by baby Bush. We
are amazed that the tinpot politics of the strutter-in-chief and his
replacement of occupation-hardened Army leaders in Iraq by uniformed
apparatchiks who promise more genuflecting death and destruction for
the glory of the king.

Americans, through elections, polling, activism, lawsuits and personal
sacrifice, have shifted their opinion of the war in Iraq, and now
overwhelmingly reject the Bush Middle East militarism. At this point,
even if we could agree that the goal was really permanent bases in the
heart of the Middle East, a regional Sunni political implosion,
shattered Iraqi society, and escalated economic and military
aggression towards Israel's arch enemy and China's future energy
provider - we would still sadly have to agree that it didn't work out,
and it has been neither lawful, successful nor worth the cost.

Even cheerleading neoconservatives simper that the "war' wasn't
conducted properly, with enough commitment, or appropriate enthusiasm.
For them, the applicable maxim isn't "pride goeth before a fall,' but
the New Testament parable of the tares and the wheat. They see the
field, after all their hard work, contaminated by weeds, made ugly,
unprofitable, even embarrassing. They say, "An enemy hath done this,'
unable to recognize their own handiwork.

Yet, the dead men continue to walk. Bush's New strategy for Iraq will
be unveiled soon, and will almost certainly include more dead men and
women on all sides. In Bush's final two lame duck years, in spite of a
somewhat resistant Congress and an angry American public, he will be
able to achieve at least as many dead Americans in Iraq as he has
since 2003. We haven't even mentioned dead Americans in the Afghan
front against Iran, or the utter catastrophe that is post-invasion
Afghanistan. Bush is lame indeed, but in a very real way, he will
manage to continue the mayhem in the Middle East through inertia, if
not by design.

The challenge is to shift the dynamic here at home, in our own
prisonhouse of misplaced faith in government, our own illusions of
goodness where instead there is only the now-metasticized military-
industrial-congressional complex described by President Dwight D.
Eisenhower nearly fifty years ago. Three generations since then, and
maybe more, have disregarded, or perhaps never understood what we were
paying for, in treasure and in constitutional principle.

To imagine freedom from our current foreign policy imbroglio, we step
into dangerous territory. It is estimated that 60 million American
voters have a financial stake in the military-industrial complex, not
counting those who invest in the many American companies that rely on
militarism abroad and at home to provide shareholder dividends. As we
contemplate a draft, we forget that we really and truly don't need
one. Undereducated and underemployed young people may complain, but
they don't really count. Increasingly, college students are willing to
take any paying job, including one offered in the name of "service'
and patriotism. Their parents and grandparents will accept the draft
as well, in the name of that societal restructure that Eisenhower
warned against, and has now become the norm.

Thus, the dead man walking is not just our increasingly confused and
cartoonish Mr. Bush. We see dead men walking in the discredited
Republican party, once valued for both fiscal restraint and political
seriousness. We find them in the United States Army, and in nearly
every office of the E-ring of the Pentagon. We see dead men walking as
we watch the young men and women who have been sent to the Middle East
to spread "democracy' at the point of the gun, to occupy in a land
that will never accept our occupation, and doesn't need it. Finally,
here at home, many Americans who otherwise would stand up and act to
reject their government instead cower. Because for all of our
understanding of the farce, and our recognition of the cure - leaving
Iraq immediately - too many Americans live paycheck to paycheck,
burdened by personal and national debt - to the tune of $440,000 for
every American household. At least 60 million of us truly believe we
need that Department of Defense paycheck, that military contract, that
service-sector job that sucks greedily at the military-industrial
teat.

Thus, Americans of all parties seem to be nastily cheering George W.
Bush as he marches into the valley of the shadow of death, fearing no
evil and intending even more murder, more destruction, more breaking
of banks and breaking of hearts. Better him than us, we mutter. But we
are all dead men walking.

LINK



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 150,000 JEWS SERVED ADOLF - Plus More than 53 COLLABORATEURS!! Repost
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On Dec 28 2006, 11:24 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC)
wrote:
> In article ,
>
> zr  wrote:
> >Same bullshit rhetoric from Ben. How obvious that these Jew Haters haven't
> >one piece of truth to stand on.
>
> >"BenJKramer"  wrote in message
>
> It's just Grosvomit, off his meds again.
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-williamhttp://groups.google.ca/groups?q=grosvenor+faq
>
> --
> 'I fully accept this, it's a fact. The discussion on Auschwitz, the gas
> chambers and the Holocaust is finished ... it's useless to dispute it'.
> (David Irving on Holocaust denial, as quoted by his Austrian lawyer)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/

FUCKING IDIOT! IF THERE WERE GAS CHAMBERS OR ANY OTHER DEATH CHAMBERS,
THEY WERE NOT BUILT FOR THE FUCKING JEW, THEY ALSO KILLED OTHER PEOPLE
INCLUDING MY FELLOW PARTIZANS. NAZIS DID NOT HAVE TO GO TOP TROUBLE OF
TAKING THEM TO GERMANY TO KILL, EITHER, THEY EXECUTED MY FRIEND JARAC,
RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE!



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On Feb 5, 12:26 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 8:08 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> Dead Men Walking
>
>    You are a brain-dead man walking.
>
>  Michael

YOU HAVE BEEN BRAIN DEAD ALL YOUR LIFE DUE TO JEW INFESTATION OF YOUR
EMPTY LOBE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: STOP THE TORTURE OF SAMI EL ARIAN! HE IS INNOCENT!
Date: 5 Feb 2007 15:46:51 -0800
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On Feb 3, 6:10 am, AnonMoos  wrote:
> "Venceremos" 
>
> >On Feb 1, 7:30 pm, AnonMoos wrote:
> >> Whatever, dude -- Sami Al-Arian might never have done much to support
> >> particular terrorist acts personally and directly, but he associated
> >> very closely with many shady characters, and in the support networks
> >> of terrorist groups in a lot of ways, and it's hard to feel much
> >> sympathy for him until he stops lying and tells what he actually
> >> knows.  For example, after ten whole years, Sami al-Arian has STILL
> >> never been able to provide any remotely satisfactory explanation for
> >> the indisputable fact that he personally handpicked one Ramadan
> >> Abdullah Shallah and sponsored his entry to the United States to work
> >> closely with him in his various groups and "think tanks"; but when the
> >> original thug leader of the "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" terrorist
> >> group was offed in 1995, Ramadan Abdullah Shallah immediately took it
> >> on the lam and popped up in Damascus as the new PIJ gang boss!!!
> > It is not a crime to associate with anyone,
>
> It isn't in most circumstances (with certain exceptions, such as
> sheltering a fugitive),
HE WAS NOT EVEN CHARGED WITH SHELTERING A FUGITIVE, IDIOT!

but when I speculated that he might not have
> done much to support specific terrorist acts personally and directly,
> I wasn't conceding that he hadn't violated any U.S. laws -- in fact,
> quite the contrary!  Broad and general support for a terrorist
> organization
PLO IS NOT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, AND NEITHER IS HAMAS OR HEZBOLLAH
EXCEPT IN USA AND ENGLAND. IT IS A JEW SETUP. IT IS LEGAL TO FIGHT AN
OCCUPATION, ACCORDING TO THE GENEVA CONVENTION

can be a crime under U.S. law.
SHRUB'S JEW LAW?

  Meanwhile, Al-Arian got
> himself in trouble mainly by choosing not to tell what he knows.  (He
> also seems to have gotten up the nose of his trial judge, which is
> rarely a wise maneuver.)
>
> As I said, Sami Al-Arian faces a pretty simple choice -- he can stop
> lying and tell what he knows, or he can face the prospect of being
> deported after his criminal sentence of imprisonment runs out.  The
> decision is up to him...
FIFTH AMENDMENT IDIOT!
>




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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 5, 1:56 pm, AnonMoos  wrote:
> Venceremos"  wrote:
> >On Feb 3, 6:10 am, AnonMoos wrote:
> >>"Venceremos"  wrote:
> >>>On Feb 1, 7:30 pm, AnonMoos wrote:
> >>>> Whatever, dude -- Sami Al-Arian might never have done much to
> >>>> support particular terrorist acts personally and directly, but he
> >>>> associated very closely with many shady characters, and in the
> >>>> support networks of terrorist groups in a lot of ways, and it's
> >>>> hard to feel much sympathy for him until he stops lying and tells
> >>>> what he actually knows.  For example, after ten whole years, Sami
> >>>> al-Arian has STILL never been able to provide any remotely
> >>>> satisfactory explanation for the indisputable fact that he
> >>>> personally handpicked one Ramadan Abdullah Shallah and sponsored
> >>>> his entry to the United States to work closely with him in his
> >>>> various groups and "think tanks"; but when the original thug
> >>>> leader of the "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" terrorist group was
> >>>> offed in 1995, Ramadan Abdullah Shallah immediately took it on
> >>>> the lam and popped up in Damascus as the new PIJ gang boss!!!
> >>> It is not a crime to associate with anyone,
> >> It isn't in most circumstances (with certain exceptions, such as
> >> sheltering a fugitive), but when I speculated that he might not
> >> have done much to support specific terrorist acts personally and
> >> directly, I wasn't conceding that he hadn't violated any U.S. laws
> >> -- in fact, quite the contrary!  Broad and general support for a
> >> terrorist organization can be a crime under U.S. law.  Meanwhile,
> >> Al-Arian got himself in trouble mainly by choosing not to tell what
> >> he knows.  (He also seems to have gotten up the nose of his trial
> >> judge, which is rarely a wise maneuver.)  As I said, Sami Al-Arian
> >> faces a pretty simple choice -- he can stop lying and tell what he
> >> knows, or he can face the prospect of being deported after his
> >> criminal sentence of imprisonment runs out.  The decision is up to
> >> him...
> > There is such a thing as a Fifth Amendment, which protects people from
> > testifying against themselves.
>
> Yep, Al-Arian has a perfect right not to be forced to testify against
> himself in court, and the Federal government has a perfect right to
> deport Al-Arian if he's been convicted of a crime,

NO HE WAS NOT CONVICTED OF ANY CRIME

and I have a perfect
> right to suggest that if Al-Arian wants to stay in this country,
ALL HE WANTS IS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. EL ARIAN HAS BEEN OFFERED
DOZENS OF POSTS IN MANY UNIVERSITIES ALL OVER THE WORLD, HE IS A
COMPUTER GENIUS WHO HAS PUBLISHED MORE PAPERS THAN MOST PROFESSORS
TWICE HIS AGE.THE ONLY ONE WHO IS A LOSER HERE IS UNITED STATES

he
> should stop lying and start telling what he knows...
HOW COULD HE BE LYING IF HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID
DRONGO!

>
> > Besides, what is terrorism?
>
> Blowing up three random civilians at a bakery in Eilat (an operation
> jointly claimed by the very same PIJ which Al-Arian supported) certainly
> qualifies!

WOW, THAT LAST BIT SURE MAKES HIM GUILTY ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS BEEN
JAIL FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: THE ANTI-SEMITISM TODAY
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On Feb 5, 3:50 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> For Herman Glanz the anti-semitism, today, is more virulent of what
> before,

I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE JEWS DO NOT HESITATE TO KILL 700
PALESTINIAN CHILDREN IN 2006, OR PUT 19 BULLETS INTO A TINY BODY OF AN
ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Our Worst Ex-President
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 IS THE GREAT JEW , THE SHRUB!



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Subject: Re: Our Worst Ex-President
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 YOU FILTHY NAZI USTASHA, JEW SCUM, DON'T YOU DARE BESMIRCH THE NAME
OF JOSIP BROZ TITO, THE GREATEST FIGTER OF FASCISM IN THE WORLD.
EVERY BLOODY JEW SHOULD KISS THE GRAVE OF MARSHALL TITO, BECAUSE WE
PARTIZANS SAVED MANY THOUSANDS OF JEWS DURING WWII. MOST OF THEM DID
NOT DESERVE SAVING BECAUSE THEY SPIT ON TITO EVERY CHANCE THEY GET!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR KIKELAND
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On Feb 5, 12:36 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 4, 5:37 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 8:04 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
>
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much. I
> > > > will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> > > > Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock, after all didn't Rory
> > > > Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> > > > City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
> > > There is no need for arabs to pass into Israel.  They should not even care
> > > about the wall.
>
> > There is no need for the fucking Jews to steal Arab land to build
> > their idiotic walls on
>
>    The land belongs to the Jews; it is in their eternal covenant with
> the LORD.
>
>  Michael

YOU DO NOT KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE BLABBERING ABOUT, IDIOT,
THE COVENANT GIVES THE LAND TO THE "SEED OF ABRAHAM" NOT TO THE
RUSSIANS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 5, 5:58 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
>  Apart from the very small fact they still have deeds of title to much
>
> > of the land.
>
> My family still has the deeds to the land it owned and lost in WW2.
> The deed isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
 ALL I HAVE IS THE NAMES OF THE 40 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY THAT THE THE
JEWISH COMMISSARS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR
HOUSE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 12 U.S. TROOPS KILLED IN JEW WAR THIS DAY (REPOST)
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On Feb 5, 12:43 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:33 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> raqi Resistance Report for events of Saturday, 27 January 2007
>
> > Twelve US troops reported killed in day of Resistance attacks in
> > Baghdad.
>
>    So then the Resistance are Jews?
>
>  Michael

JEWS ARE IN CHARGE NO MATTER WHO IS DYING



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 5, 11:38 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> Don't worry, the rest of the world is dropping leaflets asking them to fight
> to the last dead Afghani.
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170723492.675334.272740@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Now as a last resort the High Command has decided to drop few million
> > more lieflets to ask Taliban to surrender!  What a bloody circus!

The "rest of the world" being us, twenty Germans and Palau!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: THE CREEPING COUP OF CLERKS
Date: 6 Feb 2007 03:52:43 -0800
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On Feb 6, 6:13 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> The creeping coup of clerks
> Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST
> February 2, 2007
>
> This has not been a good week for Israel. The day after a Fatah
> terrorist self-detonated in Eilat, US President George W. Bush
> announced his intention to transfer $86 million to Fatah. Furthermore,
> the Iranians announced this week that they are operating 3,000
> centrifuges at their nuclear installation at Natanz. If this is true,
> the Iranians will have a sufficient amount of weapons-grade uranium to
> build atomic bombs by the end of the year.
>
It hasn,t been a good time for Jew women in general, about a dozen
women in Israel got beaten pretty bad for trying to ride in the front
part of the bus reserved for men only!




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:06:22 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR KIKELAND
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On Feb 5, 9:02 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 4:12 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 12:36 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 4, 5:37 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 4, 8:04 am, "L Alpert"  wrote:
>
> > > > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > > > Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much. I
> > > > > > will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> > > > > > Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock, after all didn't Rory
> > > > > > Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> > > > > > City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
> > > > > There is no need for arabs to pass into Israel.  They should not even care
> > > > > about the wall.
>
> > > > There is no need for the fucking Jews to steal Arab land to build
> > > > their idiotic walls on
>
> > >    The land belongs to the Jews; it is in their eternal covenant with
> > > the LORD.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > YOU DO NOT KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE BLABBERING ABOUT, IDIOT,
> > THE COVENANT GIVES THE LAND TO THE "SEED OF ABRAHAM" NOT TO THE
> > RUSSIANS
>
>    The Jews ARE the seed of Abraham.
>
>  Michael

Sure they are the blackberry seed that comes out when you shit!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Wolf Blitzer is former employee of AIPAC!! - Wikipedia
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On Feb 5, 11:33 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
 wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Blitzer
>
> Biography
>
> Blitzer, whose first name is his maternal grandfather's name,[1] grew up in
> Buffalo, New York, the son of Polish-Jewish refugees.
>
> Career
>
> His career in journalism began in 1972, in the Tel Aviv bureau of the
> Reuters news agency. He soon moved to Washington, D.C., where he was White
> House correspondent for The Jerusalem Post after a spell working for the
> American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as a publication editor
> for the Near East Report.
>
> ----------------------------

Just like everyone else concocting the hews for the gullible
Americans, Wolf was a Mossad, before working for Jerusalem Post and
know he brainwashes America



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: XENOPHOBIA AND ANTI-SEMITISM
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On Feb 5, 9:18 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> Statement on the formation of a new far-right political group in the
> European Parliament
> (Communicated by the Foreign Ministry Spokesman)
>
> Israel is deeply concerned by the formation of a new far-right
> political group in the European Parliament, named "Identity, Tradition
> and Sovereignty," to be headed by MEP (Member of the European
> Parliament) Bruno Gollinsch, a member of the French National Front
> party.
>
> The formation of a parliamentary group whose common denominator is
> based on xenophobia and anti-Semitism and whose future chairman awaits
> verdict in France for his scandalous remarks questioning the existence
> of the Nazi gas chambers, is disturbing.
>
> One cannot underestimate the true nature of the new political group
> which is entitled to EU funds. Israel is confident that the vast
> majority in the European Parliament will remain faithful to the
> European ideas and human values.

I do not understand why the Jews would be disturbed by the world
questioning Holocaust, since very small percentage of the Hitler's
victims were Jews. The "six million bullshit has been proven to be a
lie hundred times over!

Europeans have had enough of the kvetching Jews!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 6:45 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 6:18 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Statement on the formation of a new far-right political group in the
> > European Parliament
> > (Communicated by the Foreign Ministry Spokesman)
>
> > Israel is deeply concerned by the formation of a new far-right
> > political group in the European Parliament, named "Identity, Tradition
> > and Sovereignty," to be headed by MEP (Member of the European
> > Parliament) Bruno Gollinsch, a member of the French National Front
> > party.
>
> > The formation of a parliamentary group whose common denominator is
> > based on xenophobia and anti-Semitism and whose future chairman awaits
> > verdict in France for his scandalous remarks questioning the existence
> > of the Nazi gas chambers, is disturbing.
>
> > One cannot underestimate the true nature of the new political group
> > which is entitled to EU funds. Israel is confident that the vast
> > majority in the European Parliament will remain faithful to the
> > European ideas and human values.
>
> Let's hope history won't repeat itself -- again.
>
> Deborah
Let' hope Jews awake and tear the walls down, and treat their subjects
EQUALLY



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: February 6
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 Iranian Holocaust Research Foundation is simply asking for documents
proving that "six million"
Jews were indeed killed by the Nazis. This proof should be supplied by
Germany, Austria and Poland, in order to settle this question once and
for all time. Reasonab;e? I think so!



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 Iranian Holocaust Research Foundation is simply asking for documents
proving that "six million"
Jews were indeed killed by the Nazis. This proofr should be supplied
by Germany, Austria and Poland, in order to settle this question once
and for all time. Reasonab;e? I think so!




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 Iranian Holocaust Research Foundation is simply asking for documents
proving that "six million"
Jews were indeed killed by the Nazis. This proof should be supplied by
Germany, Austria and Poland, in order to settle this question once and
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 Iranian Holocaust Research Foundation is simply asking for documents
proving that "six million"
Jews were indeed killed by the Nazis. This proof should be supplied by
Germany, Austria and Poland, in order to settle this question once and
for all time. Reasonable? I think so!



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On Feb 6, 10:59 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Daniel Bernard"  wrote in message
>
> news:3ccgs2p65rqhod0055dsnu7f4plneb2rda@4ax.com...
>
> > Also, what kind of Catholic types shit like G*d and Xtian?
>
> > Yeah, a real fucking devout Catholic is our Dave huh?
>
> A lot better of a Catholic than you who only pays lip service so you can
> stay in a favorable light with your wife. You are probably one of those
> twice a year Catholics that go only on Christmas and Easter and any other
> time, you just stop by to pick up the weekly pamphlet, just to say....Hey
> honey, I went to church today! You probably lay around most other Sundays
> praying to St. Mattress, think that Lent is something you pull out of your
> belly button and being that you are European, you are of the opinion that
> Confirmation is the sacrament that Torquemada was right in his persecutions.
> You are the pathetic one here, Danielle.

THAT STILL DOES NOT EXCLUDE YOU FROM BEING A ZIONAZI



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 11:53 am, "zr"  wrote:
> It is inaccurate. There are over 85 million Christian fundamentalists in the
> USA that support Israel.

SHIT YEAH! AND YOU COUNTED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. RIGHT?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Disgusting Man Says In His Heart: There Is No God
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On Feb 5, 8:33 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" 
wrote:
> http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/disgusting-man-says-in-...
>
> Monday, December 25, 2006
>
> "The disgusting man says in his heart: 'There is no God.'" Psalms
> 14:1
>
 DISGUSTING CRAP YOU WASTE BYTES ON.  EVERY MAN HAS TO WORSHIP
ACCORDING TO HIS OWN CONSCIENCE AND THAT IS ALL




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: NOT SOLDIERS, THEY ARE ANIMALS
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On Feb 6, 2:14 pm, "Mich"  wrote:
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1170765506.153903.81120@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >>I just got this link from a friend in another forum:
>
> >> Watch :
>
> >> US soldiers insulting and taunting little hungry Iraqi kids, asking
> >> them :
>
> >> "You fuck donkeys, right ? Donkey. Hey you fuck donkeys right ? "
>
> >> The Iraqi kids of course don t know what the US soldier says, but seem
> >> to believe that the soldier is asking them something good - and answer
> >> with "yes".
>
> >> US soldier:
>
> >> "Yeah ! Y'fucked a donkey. Are they good, he ? You're a donkey,
> >> right ? Yes, Donkey-fucker. Ah Donkey-fucker, alright ! "
>
> >>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52d7e3cd11
>
> Of course, if they where Islamists they would kill the children, which is
> much more to Venceramos' liking.

When was the last time that "Islamist" murdered 700 children? I will
tell you that fucking Jews slaughtered 700 Palestinian childr5en in
2006!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR KIKELAND
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On Feb 6, 3:54 pm, "captain."  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170562013.962730.14210@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Give them a piece of Texas, since Bush loves the bastards so much. I
> > will personally donate to fund the moving of their stupid wall to
> > Texas also, and rebuilding it rock by rock, after all didn't Rory
> > Calhoun bring the London Bridge and the whole village to Lake Havasu
> > City, and rebuilt it just like it was?
>
> heh , you could put it near palastine, texas. don't they have a lebanon, TX
> too?

I will second that one!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 12:57 am, "Boedi...@isp.com"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 6:36 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <1170720972.877538.169...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Venceremos  wrote:
> > >On Feb 5, 5:58 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> > >> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > >>  Apart from the very small fact they still have deeds of title to much
>
> > >> > of the land.
>
> > >> My family still has the deeds to the land it owned and lost in WW2.
> > >> The deed isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
> > > ALL I HAVE IS THE NAMES OF THE 40 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY THAT THE THE
> > >JEWISH COMMISSARS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR
> > >HOUSE
>
> > Prove it. Provide death certificates and forensic reports.
>
> >http://mediacrity.blogspot.com/2005_11_20_mediacrity_archive.html
>
> > A reader brings to my attention this cute little
>
>   Duh.
>
>    snip the same drivel the moron has posted over 1000
>    times, he's barmy. One of these days the idiot is going
>   tp tell us how he got the OBC and who managed to
>   get it for him (as if we didn't know).

McVay's intellect  goes as far as his nose



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 6:08 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> They have cloned Adolph Shickelgruber the painter.

Jawohl, meine liebe mensch. Sieg Heil!
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
>
> news:1170800634.892333.30060@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Finally Germans are awaking from deep slumber, and forming to oppose
> > the ZioNazi takeover of the world!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel - GUARDIAN UK
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On Feb 6, 12:35 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> > "torresdD"  wrote in message
> >news:YBWxh.21260$w91.1545@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > >http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/371/2/
> > > A group of prominent British Jews
> > > will today declare independence from
> > > the country's Jewish establishment,
> > > arguing that it puts support for
> > > Israel above the human rights of
> > > Palestinians.
> > > Monday, 05 February 2007
> > > By Julian Borger
>
> What it actually says is:
> "Independent Jewish Voices will publish an open letter on the
> Guardian's Comment is Free website calling for a freer debate about
> the Middle East within the Jewish community. Among the more than 130
> signatories are Stephen Fry, Harold Pinter, Mike Leigh, Jenny Diski
> and Nicole Farhi, as well as leading academics such as Eric Hobsbawm
> and Susie Orbach.
>
> On Feb 6, 9:10 am, "zr"  wrote:
>
> > Aah yes Jewish liberalism and free speech in the Jewish moral ethic.
> > Now if only Islam would allow the same.
>
> 130 signatories out of more than a quarter million isn't an impressive
> percentage. One can only hope Islam would be more successful than the
> British Jews on Al-Guardian's "commentisfree" blog.
>
> Deborah

That means that there are 130 decent people among the lot of you scum!



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On Feb 5, 9:04 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 4:16 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 5:58 am, "Tilly"  wrote:> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > >  Apart from the very small fact they still have deeds of title to much
>
> > > > of the land.
>
> > > My family still has the deeds to the land it owned and lost in WW2.
> > > The deed isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
> >  ALL I HAVE IS THE NAMES OF THE 40 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY THAT THE THE
> > JEWISH COMMISSARS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR
> > HOUSE
>
>    Who can blame the Jews fopr wanting to kill your family for their
> role in the Holocaust?
>
>    Did your grandpa flee Germany to avoid prosecution for Babi Yar?
>
>  Michael




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On Feb 5, 9:04 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 4:16 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 5:58 am, "Tilly"  wrote:> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > >  Apart from the very small fact they still have deeds of title to much
>
> > > > of the land.
>
> > > My family still has the deeds to the land it owned and lost in WW2.
> > > The deed isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
> >  ALL I HAVE IS THE NAMES OF THE 40 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY THAT THE THE
> > JEWISH COMMISSARS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR
> > HOUSE
>
>    Who can blame the Jews fopr wanting to kill your family for their
> role in the Holocaust?
>
>    Did your grandpa flee Germany to avoid prosecution for Babi Yar?
>
>  Michael
arsehole! there are 30 years between the two events, you stupid
uneducated, illiterate Jew moron!




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On Feb 6, 12:33 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> Absolutely.
> They should send photostats of the 57 million pages of captured Nazi lists
> verifying the genocide of Gypsy's, Gays, the handicapped, political
> prisoners, and Jews, direct to the Iranian PM for his personal perusal

There is nothing in the world that would pass scrutiny to confirm that
6 million Jews even existe in Nazi Germany, lying arsehole



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 RACE FOR THE WARDEN OF THIS MADHOUSE, UNITED STATES, HAS STARTED
The Race for the Warden of the Great Mental Institution has started so
help us God!

The Race for the Warden of the Great Mental Institution has started so
help us God!

The fixed race for the next Warden of the great mental institution
called America has started, participating until now are Hillary
Clinton (Monisky Lewinsky's rival), Senator John Edwards and the usual
black face Uncle Tom Barack Obama, who stands no chance of getting
elected even if he coverts to Zionism.

The powers that be (the usual super rich Zionists) have already picked
their candidate and they already know who will win the 2008 race for
the cruellest job. As usual millions of trees will be cut, to make
paper to write fairy tales on, to fool the American public into
thinking that they are "electing" a president and are "exercising"
their "democratic right" .

Every four years Americans are put through this torture to make them
more dumber and being played fools with. No doubt the American public
can not do a damn thing about it because they have been so dumbed down
that they are prepared to suffer loss of jobs, poverty, being sent to
get killed in wars, suffer physical and mental torture and pay
whatever last cent they have in their pockets to the Israelis (around
$300 billion plus since the creation of Israel) and trillions more
taken by Zionist businessman operating in America.

Uncle Tom Barack Obama may really be thinking that he can win, but he
has not learned anything from the likes of Colin Powell and Jesse
Jackson, who were put up by the same Zionists just to make America
look like a land of opportunity even for the blacks and browns.

Between now and when the final "winner" is announced all the
candidates will be competing against each other in war mongering
against poor third world nations (where Obama originated from to begin
with) to prove that they are more suitable as Warden of the great
mental institution. But the warden has already been chosen and will be
presented in time by the controlled media and will be built up to lead
and win the race either through the ballot boxes, Diebold ones, or
through the "judiciary".

God help the poor third world nation that will be slaughtered next as
sacrifice in preparation for the next Warden!

Editor www.islamservices.org



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On Feb 6, 5:14 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
> US Propaganda in the Middle East
>       Promise - 30/01/2007 -
>
> US propaganda in the Middle East intensified.
>
> This article is a summary of the overview essay written by the National
> Security Archive Senior Fellow, Joyce Battle, introducing these documents.
>
> The National Security Archive, an independent non-governmental research
> institute and library located at The George Washington University in
> Washington, D.C., published documents on the early Cold War campaign to w=
in
> hearts and minds in the Middle East.
>
> In the aftermath of the September 11, the Bush administration has
> intensified its propaganda program for the Middle East.  This effort
> included:
>
> =B7 Hiring advertising executives to win the hearts and minds of the Arab=
s=2E
> =B7 Establishment of Radio Sawa to counter anti-American sentiment of the
> Arabs.
> =B7 Establishment of Al Hurra TV channel to sway the Arab opinion.
> =B7 Creation of Arabic-language web sites to spread disinformation.
> =B7 Placement of commercials and advertisements in Middle Eastern media
> outlets.
> =B7 Improvement of the U.S. image abroad with motion pictures.
> =B7 Establishment of U.S. worldwide propaganda Office of Global
> Communications.
> =B7 Establishment of the Office of Strategic Influence to sway internatio=
nal
> opinion.
> =B7 Other propaganda activities correlated directly to the Bush war again=
st
> Iraq.
>
> The documents collected describe the US propaganda program to expand and
> revitalize American propaganda directed at the Middle East during the cold
> war era and detail the methods utilized.
>
> Nearly all of these documents are from the State Department or its missio=
ns
> in the region and reflect only one aspect of U.S. propaganda efforts.  The
> Central Intelligence Agency, handled a major part of these activities.  M=
ost
> of the selected documents focus on Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or Iran.
>
> These U.S. propaganda efforts were assisted by collaborating governments,
> the news media, academics, publishers, and private associations.
>
> Topics discussed in these documents include:
>
> =B7 The U.S. propaganda objectives, targets, tools and methodologies.
> =B7 How the U.S. propaganda planned to win popular acceptance for the sha=
h of
> Iran.
> =B7 How the U.S. propaganda sought to enhance America's image.
> =B7 How the U.S. propaganda used religion as an asset in promoting the We=
st.
>
> US Propaganda in the Middle East: Objectives
>
> =B7 Protect and preserve Western control of Middle Eastern oil resources.
> =B7 Undermine the anti-Western feeling generated by the establishment of
> Israel.
> =B7 Attack communism and incorporate the region into a global anti-Soviet
> alliance.
> =B7 Increase awareness of the Soviet threat.  Make Arabs fear the Soviet
> Union.
> =B7 Build a "greater willingness to cooperate both regionally and with the
> West."
> =B7 Promote the view that close relations with the West would is "most
> profitable."
> =B7 Strengthen the US allies and reverse "Anti-American trends of Arab
> opinion."
> =B7 Direct revolutionary and nationalistic pressures away from hostility =
to
> the West.
> =B7 Control the information and manipulate its interpretation.
>
> US Propaganda in the Middle East: Targets
>
> The targets for the U.S. Cold War propaganda in the Middle East included:
> =B7 Poor and predominantly illiterate rural populations.
> =B7 Political and economic elites including government officials and
> businessmen.
> =B7 Professors, teachers, professionals, mullahs.
> =B7 Other opinion molders including newscasters, journalists, editors,
> publishers, etc.
>
> US Propaganda in the Middle East: Tools
>
> The tools the U.S. Cold War propaganda in the Middle East used included:
>
> =B7 Foreign Aid and Financial Assistance.
> =B7 Pamphlets Posters and Brochures
> =B7 Newspapers, Magazines and Newsreels news manipulation and Radio broad=
casts
> =B7 Books, Libraries, Music, Movies and Cartoons.
> =B7 Controlled cultural influences: literary, educational, popular, and
> person-to-person.
> =B7 Exchange Programs and Associations to influence the leadership of the
> countries.
> =B7 Symbols that glorify America and ridicule Communism and the Soviet Un=
ion.
> =B7 Religion.
>
> US Propaganda in the Middle East: Inter-government Collaboration
>
> American propaganda was created and disseminated with the knowledge and
> support of friendly governments that identified their interests with the
> West.  Examples:
>
> United States - Saudi Arabia:
>
> =B7 Close relations with oil-rich Saudi Arabia were highly valued by the =
U=2ES.
> government.
> =B7 Secretary of State Dean Acheson called King Abd al-Aziz the "best fri=
end
> the United States has in the Middle East."
> =B7 Secretary of State Dean Acheson cited the "extremely favorable United
> States-Saudi Arabia agreement for the use of the Dhahran Airfield."
> =B7 The American Ambassador said of the US propaganda material "It appears
> that this material has the double objective of promoting and encouraging
> democratic government on the one hand while presenting the dangers of
> communism on the other. Since Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy its
> Government cannot be expected to welcome propaganda of the first category=
."
> =B7 The American embassy advised against offending the Saudi leadership by
> pursuing propaganda goals too forcefully, in order to "obtain Saudi
> cooperation internationally" and "protect U.S. oil investment SA."
>
> United States - Iraq:
>
> =B7 During the early 1950s, Iraq and the U.S. cooperated in disseminating
> propaganda, despite their divergent interests.
> =B7 Iraq helped the USIS in producing certain propaganda materials aimed =
at
> its Kurdish minority, including a bulletin, newsreels, and music broadcas=
ts.
> =B7 Other propaganda was targeted at the population at large.
> =B7 The American embassy was "informed.that the Government has no objecti=
on to
> the widespread distribution of anti-Communist material.
> =B7 The pamphlets will be issued without attribution, but no attempt will=
 be
> made to hide the fact that they are produced by USIS."
> =B7 The U.S. provided material to Iraq's propaganda department for its
> dissemination.
> =B7 The US provided "direct subsidization of two newspapers"
> =B7 The US provided "partial subsidization of two anti-Communist editors."
> =B7 In late 1953, Iraq's education minister launched a US supported anti
> communist program focused on schools and universities.
> =B7 Iraqi government pamphlets with "heavy emphasis on the links between
> Communism and Zionism" were disseminated using a USIS mailing list
>
> United States - Iran:
>
> =B7 The U.S. sought cooperation from Iran both for propaganda directed at
> Iranians and for propaganda broadcast outside the country.
> =B7 In 1950, the U.S. ambassador noted the Iranian government was
> extraordinarily cooperative in providing radio facilities for American
> broadcasts reaching "Soviet people in sensitive Caucasian and Central Asi=
an
> areas."
> =B7 For domestic propaganda, the embassy recommended that "There should b=
e the
> minimum of open USIE activity and the maximum use, if necessary without
> attribution to USIE, of indigenous, Iranian channels."
> =B7 By October 1950, the American ambassador could speak of the close
> coordination between the embassy and the Iranian Propaganda Department."
> =B7 The embassy's public affairs officer recommended developing a propaga=
nda
> program with the U.S. supplying all material, equipment, personnel, and
> plans.
> =B7 When Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq nationalized the oil industry in
> 1951, the US Ambassador Loy Henderson suggested that the VOA transmit U.S.
> editorials critical of Mossadeq and friendly to the Shah.
> =B7 The American Embassy was paying sums of money to the Iranian Press and
> Propaganda Department to use that Department as a means of propaganda for
> the United States.  The head of the department was on the U.S. payroll.
> =B7 In May 1953, Ambassador Henderson compiled a list of 260 articles,
> features, editorials and commentaries which had been placed in the Iranian
> newspapers.
> =B7 In August 1953, Britain and the U.S. overthrew the elected Mossadeq
> government.
>
> US Propaganda:  U.S. Media, Academia, Associations & Publishing
>
> U.S. Government - U.S. Media:
>
> =B7 Americans as well as Iranians were the tools and targets of media
> manipulation.
> =B7 The U.S. embassy developed propaganda stressing "popular support" for=
 the
> shah.
> =B7 In November 1953, Ambassador Henderson requested that the New York Ti=
mes,
> Time Magazine and Newsweek carry an article written attacking Dr. Mossadeq
> =B7 American media collaborators with the CIA included the Washington Pos=
t,
> the New York Times, Time, and Newsweek.
>
> U.S. Government - Academia
>
> =B7 Teachers, students and researchers, have been used information source=
s=2E
> =B7 The US State Department uses University professors, researchers and
> graduate students to write papers, deliver speeches and visit foreign
> countries for both propaganda and espionage purposes.
> =B7 American embassies use professors and students to survey public opini=
ons
> to learn about current trends in other countries.
>
> U.S. Government - Private Associations:
>
> =B7 Nominally independent non-profit associations of individuals with an
> interest in foreign affairs are used as a way to convey sympathetic inter=
est
> in the Middle East.
> =B7 In 1952, Ambassador to Iraq Burton Berry said that "we, as propagandi=
sts,
> can only do our best to keep alive the hope in the Arab world that a
> political solution to the Arab-Israeli dispute and continuing colonial
> interference by Britain and France on the part of the United States is
> possible."
> =B7 He recommended "the channel to the activities of the American Friends=
 of
> the Middle East [AFME]."
> =B7 Several years later, a State Department officer commented that "In a
> number of cases we have found it extremely helpful to call on AFME to
> sponsor certain visits which we as government were not able to sponsor.
> =B7 After the British and American-sponsored coup in Iran, the local USIS
> office requested additional staffing for the Iran America Society, in ord=
er
> to extend "our operations into a number of special classes for high ranki=
ng
> ministry people and others in our prime target groups."
>
> U.S. Government - Publishing Industry
>
> =B7 In 1951, Victor Weybright, founder of the New American Library of Wor=
ld
> Literature visited the Middle East and reported to the State Department "=
we
> are now working on a number of forthcoming books at the suggestion of your
> staff in which the primary motivation is to be of service to the
> international aims of the country."
> =B7 In June 1952, Franklin Publications, Inc. was established, with a $50=
0,000
> grant from the USIA for "publication and distribution of works in Arabic
> using funds granted by the State Department," for "reducing Arab ignoranc=
e,
> suspicion, and resentment of the West and particularly the United States."
> =B7 The State Department contacted its diplomatic staff seeking "Comments=
 on
> the way in which anti-American feeling might express itself with respect =
to
> the Franklin program." And advised that "The Department's role in the
> undertaking outlined is not to be mentioned outside the missions or
> consulates."
> =B7 When Franklin officials traveled to the Middle East, with Top Secret
> clearances, they were to be "treated as private businessmen."
> =B7 Franklin Publications officials were requested to avoid "the degree of
> association with the Embassy which would tend to establish Franklin
> Publications in local eyes as a mere tool of the State Department."
>
> US Propaganda in the Middle East:  Themes
>
> Freedom
>
> =B7 A major theme of the US propaganda is emphasizing America's role as a
> beacon of freedom for the world.
> =B7 A State Department cable declared one month after the British-American
> coup in Iran that a primary propaganda goal was allaying Iranian distrust=
 of
> Americans by "repeating and reiterating sole interest U.S. in Iran is in
> free, independent, strengthened Iran capable taking her place in community
> free nations."
>
> Military/Industrial Prowess:
>
> =B7 Another theme of the US propaganda is demonstrating "the overwhelming=
 and
> increasing industrial and military strength of the United States."
> =B7 In October 1950, the ambassador to Iran suggested an emphasis in
> propaganda on the "quick overwhelming effectiveness U.S. and U.N. in Kore=
a=2E"
> =B7 The State Department welcomed a suggestion for a "friendly display of
> force to strengthen the American position" by either sending ships to the
> Persian Gulf or planes to the Dhahran Air Base in Saudi Arabia.
> =B7 Scripts prepared by USIE for broadcast by Iran's Department of Press =
and
> Propaganda "did not neglect to present the result of the latest research =
in
> the United States and to make rather prominent mention of the country."
> =B7  An Iranian newspaper complained that Radio Tehran served the interes=
ts of
> the "Yankee World" and broadcast "USIE-originated absurdities."
>
> Lovers of Peace:
>
> =B7 A brochure prepared for Iranian consumption, illustrated by a dancing
> bear, contrasted Soviet statements and its "youth demonstrations" with the
> accomplishments of the "Free World" and the United Nations, including
> assistance for health care, food and clothing distribution, and
> rehabilitation training.
> =B7 Radio Baghdad broadcasts, of probable USIS origin, denied Communist c=
laims
> of social equality and accused the Soviet Union of hypocrisy, charging th=
at,
> despite its stated support for peace, it "mobilizes all its material power
> for war. It produces atomic planes, heavy guns, and tanks, and mobilizes =
and
> trains the army in preparation for war, and spreads fear and horror among
> the peaceful nations."
> =B7 In contrast, "America's moral, religious, economic and political stre=
ngth
> was presented through the information media with emphasis on our hope and
> intent for peace."
> =B7 Following the 1956 Suez crisis, USIA recommended emphasizing the "Str=
ong
> U.S. position in support of U.N. on armed invasion of Egypt motivated by
> principles morality and justice."
>
> Atomic Apologia:
>
> =B7 During the 1950s, winning acceptance of nuclear power and alleviating
> nuclear phobia were major U.S. propaganda goals.
> =B7 President Dwight D. Eisenhower's 1953 United Nations "Atoms for Peace"
> speech was meant to ensure the world was aware of massive and growing U.S.
> nuclear warfare capabilities and to defuse mounting anxiety about atom
> bombs.
> =B7 The U.S. vigorously promoted atomic energy, and sponsored nuclear res=
earch
> and development programs in countries around the world, including the Mid=
dle
> East and South Asia.
> =B7 President Eisenhower said steps could be taken "To hasten the day when
> fear of the atom will begin to disappear from the minds of people and the
> governments of the East and West."
> =B7 In the mid 1950s, the NSC sponsored Middle East conferences "on the
> peaceful uses of atomic energy and the fostering of regional nuclear stud=
ies
> centers."
> =B7 Pacifist sentiments calling for banning the bomb were not welcome.
> =B7 The American embassy in Tehran was joined by the Iranian government in
> waging a coordinated campaign against a Stockholm-based anti-nuclear peace
> petition.
> =B7 The USIS office in Baghdad set up a library window display captioned =
"The
> Atom in the Service of Humanity."
>
> Religion as a Propaganda Asset:
>
> =B7 The Middle East's religious tradition was viewed as a valuable asset =
that
> could be exploited to achieve American objectives.
>
> =B7 President Eisenhower said in a letter to a confidante, "the religious
> approach offers a direct path to Arab interest."
> =B7 In 1952, the NSC stated "The three monotheistic religions in the area=
 have
> in common a repugnance to the atheism of communist doctrine and this fact=
or
> could become an important asset in promoting Western objectives in the
> area."
> =B7 A USIE program for Iran recommended "Development of specialized mater=
ials
> which tend to instill among religious elements a friendly attitude toward
> the West and antipathy for Communism."
> =B7 The embassy reported that two mullahs had begun public anticommunist
> sermons in Tehran, and that others had been sent to the Tabriz and Kurdish
> areas for the same purpose.
> =B7 Plans called for playing up "Moslem prosecutions by Communist satelli=
tes
> and Soviet and Soviet-Communist attitudes toward religion."
> =B7 The U.S. expected to be able to rely on anti-Communist religious lead=
ers
> in Iraq.
> =B7 The State Department arranged for Radio Jidda in Saudi Arabia to broa=
dcast
> religious programming in the Tatar, Uzbek, and Azerbaijani languages.
> =B7 The embassy distributed a "Voices of God" brochure with a mosque on i=
ts
> cover.
> =B7 The American embassy in Iraq utilized posters, including photographs =
of
> the construction of Washington, D.C.'s Islamic center
> =B7 The IIA organized an Islamic colloquium for American and foreign Musl=
im
> scholars, that "On the surface" looked "like an exercise in pure learning.
> This in effect is the impression that we desire to give."
> =B7 The US saw a role for itself in guiding Islam's evolution "Among the
> various results expected from the colloquium are the impetus and direction
> that may be given to the Renaissance movement within Islam itself."
> =B7 Princeton lecturer (and former president of the American University of
> Beirut) Bayard Dodge met with William Eddy (of the CIA and ARAMCO) about
> financial support from oil companies for the colloquium, to supplement a
> grant from the State Department, while the printing in Arabic of conferen=
ce
> papers was to be paid for by Franklin Publications.
> =B7 William Eddy also discussed a Christian-Muslim "common moral front"
> against communism with New York Herald Tribune columnist Dorothy Thompson:
> "As you know, there have been very few signs that the Western Powers place
> any value upon Muslims and from the point of view of psychological warfare
> alone, we need desperately some common ground to which we welcome the
> Muslims and the Arabs as respected and valued friends."
> =B7 Perhaps Saudi Arabia could be especially useful: according to Eddy, i=
ts
> profligate King Abd al-Aziz, "as head of the puritanical Wahhabi movement=
 to
> restore the pure faith and practices of Islam" was "without any doubt the
> most representative and influential Muslim in the world today."
> =B7 In 1952, the future King Saud, campaigning to ensure his succession,
> obtained elaborate press equipment, an innovation in his then undeveloped
> desert domain. To please the influential ulama allied with the Saudi royal
> family, he planned to initially publish religious tracts. He also planned
> the first publication in Saudi Arabia of the Koran, according to the State
> Department, and asked ARAMCO to get him radio broadcasting equipment.
> =B7 Saud said it could do a great deal of good in the Muslim countries by
> causing them to work together as a unit." The U.S. official assured Saud
> that "his information about Islamic unity was very interesting and we wou=
ld
> be very glad to know more about it when his plans were more clearly
> formulated. In general, however, I told him that we would welcome such a
> movement under his leadership because we could be sure that it would be
> friendly and wisely led."
>
> Conclusion
>
> During the Cold War, American propaganda was a tool in an anticommunist
> crusade; today, it is a facet of the U.S. "war on terrorism." Now, as the=
n,
> it is characterized as a remedy for anti-Americanism. Now as in the past,
> U.S. policy toward Palestine is the primary source of Arab and Muslim
> dislike for the U.S., generated as well by apparent American indifference=
 to
> the suffering of Iraqi civilians under sanctions and the pervasive presen=
ce
> of U.S. military forces, viewed by many as protectors of autocratic and
> unpopular regimes rather than as defenders against external aggression.
>
> Methods for disseminating propaganda are vastly more sophisticated today
> than in the past: there is now widespread access to radio and satellite
> television, videos, popular music, and the Internet. But the effectiveness
> of America's propaganda apparatus is limited by inadequate knowledge of
> Middle Eastern languages, culture, and social mores. The U.S. government
> seeks help from the private sector in targeting the region, but a
> predilection for cartoonish depictions of Middle Easterners and Middle Ea=
st
> issues is likely to limit the appeal of products created by the American
> entertainment industry. For the foreseeable future, exchange-of-person
> programs will be hindered by visa restrictions, the inconvenience of trav=
el
> for those from the region, hostility, and grass roots movements among Ara=
bs
> and Muslims encouraging the rejection of U.S. influence.
>
> Documents from the 1950s in this collection reflect, in large measure, the
> assumption that favorable public opinion in the region was necessary in
> order to achieve U.S. objectives. Today, however, Bush administration
> decision makers see overwhelming military power as the way to achieve U.S.
> goals in the Middle East, and to enhance its prestige. Their policies seem
> to embrace a position asserted by George Kennan in 1952: the U.S. should =
not
> expect to be popular or liked in the Middle East; instead, "We should
> demonstrate that we are prepared to act and that we mean business in the
> protection of our strategic interests. We should shift the emphasis in our
> policy in order to obtain this respect." The response of policy makers in
> the Middle East "should not be motivated by love of the U.S."
>
> George W. Bush has described the conflict between the U.S. and those who
> resist its policies in the Middle East as a battle between good and evil =
--
> those who "hate" the U.S. do so because they oppose freedom and the
> democracy for which the U.S. stands. This simplistic formulation is grant=
ed
> some level of acceptance by a fearful domestic audience, seeking comfort =
and
> reassurance, but is viewed incredulously by many observers in the region,
> who are familiar with America's support for corrupt and repressive
> dictatorships, in the Middle East and around the world, and its selective
> policies regarding weapons of mass destruction.
>
> In the version of reality projected by representatives of the Bush
> administration, and reflected in large measure in the U.S. news media,
> America's history of exploiting, for its own political purposes, the most
> conservative and militant interpretations of Islam, in the Persian Gulf
> region, in Pakistan, and in Afghanistan, is to be forgotten. So too is
> America's habit of looking the other way, when convenient, as allies
> accelerated their nuclear weapons programs (consider Israel, Pakistan, and
> Iraq.) So too is U.S. aid and comfort for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war
> (while also, on occasion, providing arms and intelligence to its adversar=
y),
> thus helping to perpetuate a horrifically bloody conflict. So too is the
> Reagan administration's policy of downplaying Iraq's use of chemical weap=
ons
> against Iran during that war. So too is the first Bush administration's
> decisions, after Iraq used chemical weapons against Kurdish Iraqis, to
> continue providing taxpayer-guaranteed financial credits to Saddam Hussei=
n's
> government, and to seek "opportunities for U.S. firms to participate in t=
he
> reconstruction of the Iraqi economy, particularly in the energy area."
>
> During the 1950s, the U.S. sought to project an image of itself as a
> peace-loving nation, supportive of the United Nations and international l=
aw
> (an image not always strictly coincident with reality), but any attempt to
> convey a similar message by the current administration would be belied by
> America's denigration of the U.N. in recent years, its massive global arms
> sales (to the Middle East, in particular), and its preference for unilate=
ral
> decision-making. Likewise, President Bush's statements of tolerance and
> respect for Muslims are contradicted by the powerful influence on his
> administration of those conservative Christians who deny the legitimacy of
> Islam, ridicule its tenets, and embrace the brutal Arab-Israeli conflict =
as
> a sanctified means to an apocalyptic end -- to include, as they envision =
it,
> the annihilation of Muslims, Jews, and all others who have not embraced a
> "born-again" version of Christianity.
>
> The documents in this collection concerned with the 1953 coup in Iran are=
 of
> particular contemporary interest. While campaigning for an invasion of Ir=
aq,
> the Bush administration assumes a favorable military outcome for the U.S.=
, a
> position that seems irrefutable given the disparate force levels between =
the
> two adversaries and conditions in Iraq following 10 years of sanctions.
> Still, foreign occupations are expensive to maintain: this had much to do
> with ending the imperial ambitions of Britain and France. Saudi Arabia,
> other conservative Gulf States, Germany, Japan, and other U.S. allies
> provided much of the funding that paid for the Persian Gulf War; such
> generous subsidies will not be available for an invasion of Iraq. Many
> observers conclude that the U.S. plans the invasion, an innately risky
> undertaking at a time when the country faces severe economic problems, on=
ly
> because it is counting on an eventual financial windfall, to be gained fr=
om
> ensuring a permanent military presence in the region, and from reasserting
> Western control over Iraqi, and ultimately, perhaps, over all Middle East
> oil resources.
>
> The Bush administration is evidently contemptuous of opposition to its
> planned invasion of Iraq by, according to all reports, the vast majority =
of
> the people of the Middle East. America's war plans rely on the cooperation
> of dependent principalities whose rulers can, with U.S. protection, or mu=
st,
> under U.S. coercion, ignore domestic opinion. The underlying assumption is
> that manifestations of opposition will be limited to a few demonstrations
> outside embassies to let the locals blow off steam, while the U.S. relies=
 on
> the repressive, often U.S.-trained, internal security forces of its client
> regimes to keep the situation under control. Meanwhile, in its public
> statements the administration maintains, straight-faced, that it is fight=
ing
> for democracy, and is compelled to resort to war because the people of the
> Middle East, sadly, understand and respect only force.
>
> Propaganda strategies developed in tandem with war plans will include tho=
se
> arguments explaining and defending U.S. actions that have the widest popu=
lar
> appeal. As has become the rule for U.S. military operations, information
> will be controlled and filtered by the Pentagon. In Iraq, some will welco=
me
> an overthrow of the present repressive government, even if brought about =
by
> a foreign invasion; the U.S. government will do what it can to ensure that
> this reaction monopolizes news coverage. The administration has reason to=
 be
> confident that a passive opposition party, a pro-war mainstream press, all
> the apparatus of news manipulation available to the government, and a pub=
lic
> and mass media predisposed to view the motives of their country in a
> favorable light, and to hope that their sense of insecurity will be lesse=
ned
> by an attack on a designated enemy, are likely to ensure that a U.S.
> invasion of Iraq will be judged a success - at least in the short term.
>
> To see the full text of this essay and to examine the original US Governm=
ent
> declassified propaganda documents click on the link:
>
> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB78/

All United States has to do is stop killing Arabs and stop supporting
the fascist state of Israel and there would be no need for all this
bullshit!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: February 6
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 IT IS EASY TO DENY SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED. WE CAN  THE
EXISTENCE OF ZOSER 5,000 YEARS AGO, BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE
WORLDVE THAT SIX MILLION KIKES DIED IN NAZI CAMPS.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Deutchland, Deutchland uber alles!
Date: 6 Feb 2007 18:16:42 -0800
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On Feb 6, 8:13 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 6:08 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> > > They have cloned Adolph Shickelgruber the painter.
>
> > Jawohl, meine liebe mensch. Sieg Heil!
>
> Another keeper!!!
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

SUCK IT JEW  WHORE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR KIKELAND
Date: 6 Feb 2007 18:25:03 -0800
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On Feb 6, 9:08 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 6, 4:48 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 5, 9:04 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 4:16 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 5, 5:58 am, "Tilly"  wrote:> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > > > >  Apart from the very small fact they still have deeds of title to much
>
> > > > > > of the land.
>
> > > > > My family still has the deeds to the land it owned and lost in WW2.
> > > > > The deed isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
> > > >  ALL I HAVE IS THE NAMES OF THE 40 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY THAT THE THE
> > > > JEWISH COMMISSARS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR
> > > > HOUSE
>
> > >    Who can blame the Jews fopr wanting to kill your family for their
> > > role in the Holocaust?
>
> > >    Did your grandpa flee Germany to avoid prosecution for Babi Yar?
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > arsehole! there are 30 years between the two events, you stupid
> > uneducated, illiterate Jew moron!
>
>    The massacre at Babi Yar occurred in 1941.
>
>    I guess it takes a Nazi to deny history.
>
>  Michael

JEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED ABOUT 50 TO A HUNDRED MILLION RUSSIANS
AND UKRAINIANS BETWEEN 1917 AND 1937. BABIY  YAR WAS THE WORK OF NKVD,
WHICH WAS 100% JEWSISH!

YESLI SRAT BUDESH, KUSHAT TEBE NUZHNO GOVNO



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 2:14 pm, "Mich"  wrote:
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1170765506.153903.81120@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >>I just got this link from a friend in another forum:
>
> >> Watch :
>
> >> US soldiers insulting and taunting little hungry Iraqi kids, asking
> >> them :
>
> >> "You fuck donkeys, right ? Donkey. Hey you fuck donkeys right ? "

    US Iraqi Genocide is associated with 1 MILLION post-invasion
excess deaths and constitues an Iraqi Holocaust. However Mainstream
media notoriously IGNORE the horrendous ACTUALITY of the carnage in
Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan where the post-invasion excess
deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not have to happen) now
total 1.0 MILLION and 2.2 MILLION, respectively (see: http://
mwcnews.net/Gideon-Polya and specifically: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ and http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ).

    It is nearly the Fourth Anniversary of the illegal Anglo-American-
Australian-Coalition invasion of Iraq. As of February 2007, a) the
accrual cost has been $2.3 TRILLION; (b) there are 3.7 million Iraqi
refugees; (c) the post-invasion excess deaths total 1.0 million (ONE
MILLION); and (d) there were 1.7 million excess Iraqi deaths
associated with the Western-imposed 1990-2003 Sanctions War (see:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ). These horrifying
estimates from authoritative sources are amplified and documented
below.

    (a) ECONOMIC COST TO USA. The accrual cost of the Iraq War (i.e.
the total, long-term committed cost, not just the Congressional
allocation as measured by "cost accounting") is $2.3 trillion
according to the 2001 Economics Nobel Laureate US Professor Joseph
Stiglitz (Columbia University) and his Harvard colleague Professor
Linda Bilmes (see: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
article15499.htm ).

    (b) IRAQI REFUGEES. The number of Iraqi refugees now total 3.7
million - 2.0 million outside Iraq and 1.7 million inside Iraq - and
UNHCR predicts that there will be up to 2.3 million internally
displaced people within Iraq by the end of this year. (see: http://
www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1986147,00.html ).

    (c) POST-INVASION IRAQI EXCESS DEATHS. In October 2006 an estimate
of "655,000 post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq as of July
2006" came from a top medical epidemiology research team in America's
(and the World's) top Public Health Department at a top US university
(Johns Hopkins) and was published peer-reviewed in a top medical
journal (The Lancet) and endorsed by 27 top Australian medical experts
in the area (see: MWC News: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/
12163/42/ ; http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ and http://
mwcnews.net/content/view/11293/42/ ).

    Consider the following estimate from the Johns Hopkins medical
scientists of "annual death rate per 1,000 of population" of 13.3
(post-invasion Iraq) as compared to (a) 5.5 (for pre-invasion Iraq
after 12 years of crippling Sanctions) and (b) 4.0 (for Iraq's
resource-poor but peaceful neighbours Syria and Jordan; UN Population
Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The "post-invasion excess death rate/1000 of population" was 13.3
- 5.5 = 7.8 (Comparison A) or 13.3 - 4.0 = 9.3 (Comparison B).
Assuming an average population of 27 million, the "post-invasion
excess deaths" total (over 4 years i.e. as of February 2007) (A) 7.8 x
2,700 x 4 = 842,000 and (B) 9.3 x 2,700 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. ONE
MILLION.

    (d) SANCTIONS WAR EXCESS DEATHS (1990-2003). Excess deaths in Iraq
during the 1990-2003 Sanctions War totalled 1.7 million; under-5
infant deaths in Iraq in this period totalled 1.2 million (from UN
Population Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The carnage in Iraq constitutes a US-driven Iraqi Genocide
(Genocide as clearly defined by Article II subsections (a) -(d) of the
Internationally-agreed UN Genocide Convention:
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm ) and an Iraqi
Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million
victims and the WW2 Bengali Holocaust in British-occupied India (4
million victims); most of the victims have been Women and Children;
and the carnage is largely due to gross, war criminal Occupier
violation of the Geneva Conventions which demand that Occupiers do
everything within their power to keep their Conquered Subjects ALIVE
(see Articles 55 and 56 in particular of the Geneva Conventions
relating to civilians: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm ).

    After 4 years of illegal, violent Occupation the post-invasion
excess deaths in Occupied Iraq total ONE MILLION (from UN Population
Division and medical literature data as outlined above). Taken
together with 1.7 million excess deaths in the 1990-2003 Sanctions War
(UN Population Division) and 3.7 million Iraqi refugees (UNHCR), this
constitutes an Iraqi Genocide (as defined by the UN Genocide
Convention) and an Iraqi Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish
Holocaust (5-6 million victims) and the "forgotten" WW2 British-caused
WW2 Bengali Holocaust (4 million victims). The Iraqi under-5 infant
deaths (1990-2007) now total 1.8 million, 90% having been avoidable
and due to Western war crimes. Total Iraqi excess deaths (1990-2007)
total 2.7 million. The post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied
Afghanistan now total 2.2 million (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ ).

    Three quarters of the people of Occupied Iraq and Occupied
Afghanistan are Women and Children - the Bush War on Terror is in
horrible reality a cowardly War on Women and Children, a War on Asian
Women and Children and a War on Muslim Women and Children.

    What should decent Americans do about the on-going Iraqi Genocide
or Iraqi Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Genocide or Afghan
Holocaust?

    Peace is the only way but silence kills and silence is complicity.
Decent AMERICANS - indeed all decent human beings - are morally
obliged to (a) INFORM OTHERS about this carnage (lying, racist
Mainstream media won't) and (b) ACT ETHICALLY in all their personal
and business dealings with those complicit in this continuing atrocity
e.g. DO NOT VOTE FOR those responsible for the on-going Iraqi
Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Holocaust.

    Ordinary GERMANS claimed in 1945 that they "didn't know" about the
Holocaust. Notwithstanding the racism, lying and holocaust-ignoring of
Mainstream media, AMERICANS (and Brits and Australians) do NOT have
the same excuse - the awful truth is only a few mouse-clicks away.
Thus inspection of the UNICEF site (see: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/index.html
) will inform that 0.5 million under-5 year old children die each year
in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories i.e. 1,300 each day, ONE
PER MINUTE - this being largely due to gross Occupier violation of the
Geneva Conventions that demand that the Occupier keeps its Conquered
Subjects ALIVE (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/11968/42/ ).

    Americans - and indeed any people - who KNOWINGLY ignore, deny,
excuse, minimize, obfuscate, advocate, support or effect gross abuses
of Women and Children (as in Iraq and Afghanistan) - or indeed of
anyone - have crossed the line separating decent humanity from
barbarism.

    Those primarily responsible for the carnage of the Iraqi Holocaust
and the Afghan Holocaust - Bush, Blair, Dr Rice (Dr Death) and their
Coalition and NATO confreres should be arraigned and tried before the
International Criminal Court.

more on Iraqi Genocide , Iraqi Holocaust




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 MASSACRE OF THE IRAQI NATION
    US Iraqi Genocide is associated with 1 MILLION post-invasion
excess deaths and constitues an Iraqi Holocaust. However Mainstream
media notoriously IGNORE the horrendous ACTUALITY of the carnage in
Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan where the post-invasion excess
deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not have to happen) now
total 1.0 MILLION and 2.2 MILLION, respectively (see: http://
mwcnews.net/Gideon-Polya and specifically: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ and http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ).

    It is nearly the Fourth Anniversary of the illegal Anglo-American-
Australian-Coalition invasion of Iraq. As of February 2007, a) the
accrual cost has been $2.3 TRILLION; (b) there are 3.7 million Iraqi
refugees; (c) the post-invasion excess deaths total 1.0 million (ONE
MILLION); and (d) there were 1.7 million excess Iraqi deaths
associated with the Western-imposed 1990-2003 Sanctions War (see:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ). These horrifying
estimates from authoritative sources are amplified and documented
below.

    (a) ECONOMIC COST TO USA. The accrual cost of the Iraq War (i.e.
the total, long-term committed cost, not just the Congressional
allocation as measured by "cost accounting") is $2.3 trillion
according to the 2001 Economics Nobel Laureate US Professor Joseph
Stiglitz (Columbia University) and his Harvard colleague Professor
Linda Bilmes (see: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
article15499.htm ).

    (b) IRAQI REFUGEES. The number of Iraqi refugees now total 3.7
million - 2.0 million outside Iraq and 1.7 million inside Iraq - and
UNHCR predicts that there will be up to 2.3 million internally
displaced people within Iraq by the end of this year. (see: http://
www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1986147,00.html ).

    (c) POST-INVASION IRAQI EXCESS DEATHS. In October 2006 an estimate
of "655,000 post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq as of July
2006" came from a top medical epidemiology research team in America's
(and the World's) top Public Health Department at a top US university
(Johns Hopkins) and was published peer-reviewed in a top medical
journal (The Lancet) and endorsed by 27 top Australian medical experts
in the area (see: MWC News: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/
12163/42/ ; http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ and http://
mwcnews.net/content/view/11293/42/ ).

    Consider the following estimate from the Johns Hopkins medical
scientists of "annual death rate per 1,000 of population" of 13.3
(post-invasion Iraq) as compared to (a) 5.5 (for pre-invasion Iraq
after 12 years of crippling Sanctions) and (b) 4.0 (for Iraq's
resource-poor but peaceful neighbours Syria and Jordan; UN Population
Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The "post-invasion excess death rate/1000 of population" was 13.3
- 5.5 = 7.8 (Comparison A) or 13.3 - 4.0 = 9.3 (Comparison B).
Assuming an average population of 27 million, the "post-invasion
excess deaths" total (over 4 years i.e. as of February 2007) (A) 7.8 x
2,700 x 4 = 842,000 and (B) 9.3 x 2,700 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. ONE
MILLION.

    (d) SANCTIONS WAR EXCESS DEATHS (1990-2003). Excess deaths in Iraq
during the 1990-2003 Sanctions War totalled 1.7 million; under-5
infant deaths in Iraq in this period totalled 1.2 million (from UN
Population Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The carnage in Iraq constitutes a US-driven Iraqi Genocide
(Genocide as clearly defined by Article II subsections (a) -(d) of the
Internationally-agreed UN Genocide Convention:
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm ) and an Iraqi
Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million
victims and the WW2 Bengali Holocaust in British-occupied India (4
million victims); most of the victims have been Women and Children;
and the carnage is largely due to gross, war criminal Occupier
violation of the Geneva Conventions which demand that Occupiers do
everything within their power to keep their Conquered Subjects ALIVE
(see Articles 55 and 56 in particular of the Geneva Conventions
relating to civilians: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm ).

    After 4 years of illegal, violent Occupation the post-invasion
excess deaths in Occupied Iraq total ONE MILLION (from UN Population
Division and medical literature data as outlined above). Taken
together with 1.7 million excess deaths in the 1990-2003 Sanctions War
(UN Population Division) and 3.7 million Iraqi refugees (UNHCR), this
constitutes an Iraqi Genocide (as defined by the UN Genocide
Convention) and an Iraqi Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish
Holocaust (5-6 million victims) and the "forgotten" WW2 British-caused
WW2 Bengali Holocaust (4 million victims). The Iraqi under-5 infant
deaths (1990-2007) now total 1.8 million, 90% having been avoidable
and due to Western war crimes. Total Iraqi excess deaths (1990-2007)
total 2.7 million. The post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied
Afghanistan now total 2.2 million (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ ).

    Three quarters of the people of Occupied Iraq and Occupied
Afghanistan are Women and Children - the Bush War on Terror is in
horrible reality a cowardly War on Women and Children, a War on Asian
Women and Children and a War on Muslim Women and Children.

    What should decent Americans do about the on-going Iraqi Genocide
or Iraqi Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Genocide or Afghan
Holocaust?

    Peace is the only way but silence kills and silence is complicity.
Decent AMERICANS - indeed all decent human beings - are morally
obliged to (a) INFORM OTHERS about this carnage (lying, racist
Mainstream media won't) and (b) ACT ETHICALLY in all their personal
and business dealings with those complicit in this continuing atrocity
e.g. DO NOT VOTE FOR those responsible for the on-going Iraqi
Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Holocaust.

    Ordinary GERMANS claimed in 1945 that they "didn't know" about the
Holocaust. Notwithstanding the racism, lying and holocaust-ignoring of
Mainstream media, AMERICANS (and Brits and Australians) do NOT have
the same excuse - the awful truth is only a few mouse-clicks away.
Thus inspection of the UNICEF site (see: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/index.html
) will inform that 0.5 million under-5 year old children die each year
in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories i.e. 1,300 each day, ONE
PER MINUTE - this being largely due to gross Occupier violation of the
Geneva Conventions that demand that the Occupier keeps its Conquered
Subjects ALIVE (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/11968/42/ ).

    Americans - and indeed any people - who KNOWINGLY ignore, deny,
excuse, minimize, obfuscate, advocate, support or effect gross abuses
of Women and Children (as in Iraq and Afghanistan) - or indeed of
anyone - have crossed the line separating decent humanity from
barbarism.

    Those primarily responsible for the carnage of the Iraqi Holocaust
and the Afghan Holocaust - Bush, Blair, Dr Rice (Dr Death) and their
Coalition and NATO confreres should be arraigned and tried before the
International Criminal Court.

more on Iraqi Genocide , Iraqi Holocaust





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On Feb 6, 8:20 pm, "Patricia  Heil"  wrote:
> I can see by Cramer's latest morph that you're really getting to him.
> Another dumb bigot betrays that he knows he's losing every argument.  You go
> girl!

Do not disturb her, she is on the vibrator!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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February 6, 2007

The people running the Iraq war are eager to make an example of Ehren
Watada. They've convened a kangaroo court-martial. But the man on
trial is setting a profound example of conscience -- helping to
undermine the war that the Pentagon's top officials are so eager to
protect.

"The judge in the case against the first U.S. officer court-martialed
for refusing to ship out for Iraq barred several experts in
international and constitutional law from testifying Monday about the
legality of the war," the Associated Press reported.

While the judge was hopping through the military's hoops at Fort Lewis
in Washington state, an outpouring of support for Watada at the gates
reflected just how broad and deep the opposition to this war has
become.

The AP dispatch merely stated that "outside the base, a small group
that included actor Sean Penn demonstrated in support of Watada." But
several hundred people maintained an antiwar presence Monday at the
gates, where a vigil and rally -- led by Iraq war veterans and parents
of those sent to kill and be killed in this horrific war -- mirrored
what is happening in communities across the United States.

Many of the most compelling voices against the Iraq war come from the
men and women who were ordered into a conflagration that should never
have begun. Opinions may be debatable, but experiences are
irrefutable. And the devastating slaughter that the U.S. war effort
continues to inflict on Iraqi people has a counterpoint in the
suffering of Americans who are left with unspeakable grief.

In direct resistance to the depravity of the Bush administration as it
escalates this war, Lieutenant Watada is taking a clear and uplifting
position. Citing international law and the U.S. Constitution, he
points out that the Iraq war is "manifestly illegal." And he adds: "As
the order to take part in an illegal act is ultimately unlawful as
well, I must as an officer of honor and integrity refuse that order.
It is my duty not to follow unlawful orders and not to participate in
things I find morally reprehensible."

Watada says: "My participation would make me party to war crimes."

Outside the fence at Fort Lewis -- while the grim farce of Watada's
court-martial proceeded with virtually all substance ruled out of
order -- the criminality of the war and the pain it has brought were
heavy in the air.

Darrell Anderson was a U.S. soldier in Iraq. He received a Purple
Heart. Later, he refused orders to return for a second tour of duty.
Now, he gives firsthand accounts of the routine killing of Iraqi
civilians. He speaks as an eyewitness and a participant in a war that
is one long war crime. And he makes a convincing case that "the GI
resistance" is emerging and pivotal: "You can't call yourself antiwar
if you're not supporting the resistance."

At Fort Lewis, outside the gates, I met Carlos Arredondo. He's
traveling the country in a long black hearse-like station wagon, with
big photos and letters from his son Alexander plastered on the sides
of the vehicle. At age 20, more than two years ago, Alexander died in
Iraq. Now, a conversation with Carlos Arredondo is likely to leave you
in tears, feeling his grief and his rage against this war.

"When the Marines came to inform Arredondo of his son's death and
stayed after he asked them to leave, he set their van on fire, burning
over a quarter of his body in the process," the Boston Globe has
reported. Carlos and his wife Melida Arredondo are now members of
Military Families Speak Out.

Among the speakers at a nearby event the night before Watada's court-
martial began was Helga Aguayo, whose husband Agustin Aguayo is a U.S.
Army medic now charged with desertion. After deployment to Iraq in
2004, he applied for recognition as a conscientious objector, without
success. During a year in the war zone, he refused to put ammunition
in his weapon. Today, he is looking at the prospect of up to seven
years in prison.

Many others in uniform are struggling to extricate themselves from the
war machine. Information about some of them is available at:
www.couragetoresist.org.

Soldiers have to choose from options forced upon them by the commander
in chief and Congress. Those who resist this war deserve our gratitude
and our support. And our willingness to resist as well.

Ehren Watada faces four years in prison. Half of that potential
sentence has to do with the fact that he made public statements
against the war. The war-makers want such honest courage to stop. But
it is growing every day.

Norman Solomon is the author of War Made Easy: How Presidents and
Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 10:15 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
> On 7 f=E9v, 03:33, vinc...@triumfunspam.ca (pete) wrote:
>
> > on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:33:36 GMT,
> > SBC Yahoo  sez:
>
> > >Mohammed and Allah can jointly kiss my @ss.  Since they are both ficti=
onal
> > >cartoon characters of ancient mythology, they do not concern me at all.
>
> > Hey, come on. Mohammed was as real as Joseph Smith. Or David Koresh.
>
> > --
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D
> >     vincent@triumf[munge].ca                            Pete Vincent
> >         Disclaimer: all I know I learned from reading Usenet.
>
> Yes of course,  the Jew prophet Mohammad invented Islam after being
> kicked off the Synaq by his pairs... his aim was to reform Judaism.
> Latter when in full control of his new sect,  Islam,  he massacred not
> only his Jew family, but as well his whole tribe to make it impossible
> to trace back his Jewish ancestry.
>
> In this like in the rest,  Jew prophet Mohammand failed miserably.
>
> Indeed since creation Islam has been the curse of that fine people,
> the Arabs, since the bloody stupid prophet by reporting the 1st
> puberty circumcision to the 2nd puberty ( circumcision incidently is a
> genetic manipulation) made of the whole Arab population what they have
> been for a millenium & a half , that is an uncontrolled mob of
> superstitious people unable to invent, create and be at peace with
> themselves & the world. The permanent erection state of Islamists
> males is draining on the Thyroid at all time and as well as  exciting
> the surrenales ( adrenaline =3D violence ) permanently, as well
> generating as in the Jews the hyper activity of Hypophyse giving to
> those white races the darker complexion going on with the melanine
> generation on Hypophise hyperthropied then lobes .
>
> ISLAM IS INDEED THE CURSE OF THE ARABS AS WELL AS THE PLAGUE OF THE
> ENTIRE WORLD
>
> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
> Australia Mining Pioneer
> Founder of the True Geology

YOUR "KNOWLEDGE" OF ISLAM AND ANCIENT HISTORY IS ASTOUNDING, IS THAT
WHY THEY KICKED YOU OUT OF AUSTRALIA?



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Isn't that a waste of time and energy?

 Two of the nine men arrested during anti-terrorism raids in
Birmingham last Wednesday have been released without charge.

The two said in a statement after their release that there had been no
mention of an alleged kidnap plot.

Sources had told the BBC police were investigating an alleged plot to
kidnap and murder a British Muslim soldier.

Earlier, police were granted an extra 72 hours to question the other
seven men arrested.

Gareth Peirce, solicitor for the two men released, said: "They have
left the police station without any better understanding of why they
were there than when they first arrived seven days ago.

"Not a word was ever mentioned to either of them about a plot to
kidnap or the grisly suggestion of a beheading or even of a soldier at
all."

Both the men had been met with a "consistent refusal" of an
explanation for their arrest, Ms Peirce added.

The pair had urged a swift release for the other seven men, she added.






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 Two of the nine men arrested during anti-terrorism raids in
Birmingham last Wednesday have been released without charge.

The two said in a statement after their release that there had been no
mention of an alleged kidnap plot.

Sources had told the BBC police were investigating an alleged plot to
kidnap and murder a British Muslim soldier.

Earlier, police were granted an extra 72 hours to question the other
seven men arrested.

Gareth Peirce, solicitor for the two men released, said: "They have
left the police station without any better understanding of why they
were there than when they first arrived seven days ago.

"Not a word was ever mentioned to either of them about a plot to
kidnap or the grisly suggestion of a beheading or even of a soldier at
all."

Both the men had been met with a "consistent refusal" of an
explanation for their arrest, Ms Peirce added.

The pair had urged a swift release for the other seven men, she added.




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From: "Venceremos" 
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 one in every 27 iraqis has been murdered

one in every 18 Iraqis has been made a refugee



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 6, 7:39 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> >news:6hHxh.1988$5U4.681@trnddc07...
>
> > > On  5-Feb-2007, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > > > X-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:58:44 EST
> > > > (nwrddc01.gnilink.net)
>
> > > > Binyamin Cramer wrote:
> > > >  Apart from the very small fact they still have deeds of title to
> > > > much
> > > > > of the land.
>
> > > > My family still has the deeds to the land it owned and lost in
> > > > WW2. The deed isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
> > > The difference being that not only is he lying, but every Arab
> > > who can prove he owned land has been compensated.
>
> > I'm not lying, you lying, dyslexic, thick Irish cunt. I don't lie.
>
> > The fucking yids, in their first act of defiance, declared all
> > unnocupied Arab land and homes as being "abandoned" and took
> > ownership for themselves.
>
> > Very, very few Arabs have ever been compensated. Virtually none.
>
> They have all been offered compensation, but chose not to accept it on the
> advice of their leaders for political purposes. You know that. The Israelis
> have also offered compenstion through UNRWA which was rejected.
> On the Doha debate (BBC WORLD) this weekend Shimon Peres repeated that
> Israel is quite prepared to pay compensation, but so far the the majority of
> Palestinians who lost property have refused it.
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

I GURRANTEE YOU THAT JEWS WILL GET NO COMPENSATION ON THE WAY OUT!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:06:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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 There is nothing wrong with Jesus, there is lots wrong with you. He
was no God, just a Prophet peace be upon him



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:06:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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ATTENTION IRAQI PEOPLE: You are being played for suckers. That isn't
Sunni killing Shia or Shia killing Sunni. It's the US and UK tricking
you all into killing each other, so you won't unite against the
invaders.

Smarten up. That smelly dude trying to talk you into killing your
neighbors is working for the enemy.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:06:36 EDT 2007
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ATTENTION IRAQI PEOPLE: You are being played for suckers. That isn't
Sunni killing Shia or Shia killing Sunni. It's the US and UK tricking
you all into killing each other, so you won't unite against the
invaders.

Smarten up. That smelly dude trying to talk you into killing your
neighbors is working for the enemy.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:06:37 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: THE FACT IS THAT THE JEWS HAVE NEVER TOLD THE TRUTH OR KEPT THEIR WORD
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 MAINLY BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY KIKES CAN MAKE THIS SHAMOOZLE PAY IS BY
GETTING THE WAR GOING AND KILLING AS MANY AMERICANS AND IRAQIS AS
POSSIBLE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 1 in 10 marriages in Israel is mixed - YETNEWS
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On Feb 7, 3:32 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3362030,00.html
>
> 1 in 10 marriages in Israel is mixed
>
> Large number of non-Jewish
> immigrants changes Israeli
> families.
>
> Only 58 percent have
> Jewish father and mother.
>
> Most these couple keep
> Jewish faith, survey reveals
>
> Chaim Levinson Published:
> 02.07.07, 10:43 / Israel Culture
>
> For years,
> Jews were persuaded to come to
> Israel with the assurance that
> here they could find a kosher
> Jewish mate.
>
> That promise is not as
> certain as it used to be.
>
> Ten percent of married couples
> in Israel are not of the same
> faith, a new study reveals.
>
> The survey was conducted for New Family,
> an organization dedicated to advancing
> family rights.
>
>  The waves of immigration from
> the former Soviet Union brought
> an estimated 250,000 immigrants
> defined as non-Jews to Israel.
>
> A large number of immigrants
> from Ethiopia are also not Jewish.
>
> The Israeli Chief Rabbinate does
> not consent to intermarriages.
>
> Nonetheless they are taking place
> en masse through other means.
>
> However,
> as there is no organized marriage
> registration outside the Rabbinate,
> it is difficult to estimate the
> number of these mixed couples.
>
> The data was gathered from
> the number of divorces filed,
> offering an estimate of the
> number of married couples.
>
> The study showed that the number
> of divorces filed for this population
> is on the increase, currently 17
> percent of all divorces in Israel.

50% of Israelis are Russians and 50% of Russian emigrants to Israel
are orthodox Christians. I n the area around Netnyah several Orthodox
churches are being built every year, and right now there is Orthodox
Cathedral being built.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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HOW ABOUT GIVING US ALL A BLOW JOB INSTEAD YOU FUCKING WHORE!z



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 FREE SAMI AL ARAIAN, THE VICTIM OF THE ZIONIST TORTURERS

This highly qualified computer scientist, who has taught many
Americans this science, is being held under inhuman conditions, even
though he has been found  not guilty of all charges.

Is this the American justice? Is this that5 "democracy" Shrub is
trying to sell to Arabs?

Is this in accordance with the Constitution of Unitad States, to
torture an innocent man?

Sami Al Arian, father of five, is now on hunger strike, and should be
released in accordance with the plea agreement he entered into with
the Justice Department of United States.

Please write to your Congressman, your Senator, your representative,
no matter in what cvountry you live in and demand justice for Sami Al-
Arian.

Also please write to this political prisoner of USA:




Contact Info

Email Tampa Bay Coalition for Justice and Peace:
tampabayjustice@yahoo.com

To write to Dr. Sami Al-Arian:
Sami Al-Arian (#19638)
Northern Neck Regional Jail
P.O. Box 1060
Warsaw, VA 22572



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Subject: Re: Excellent page about Tzahal !
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On Feb 7, 6:45 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2:55 pm, "El Vigilante"  wrote:
>
> > Israel Defense Forces, their history, missions, doctrine, training,
> > equipment and effectiveness.
> >http://miblog-shomer.blogspot.com
>
> Excellent site, indeed!
>
> Deborah

SHIT YEAH! THOSE NAPPIES ON THEIR HEADS DID NOT SAVE THEM FROM
HEZBOLLAH!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: View from the West Bank: "This is my land. God gave it to me. F__k you."
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On Feb 7, 10:29 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f

That is the kind of crap of the "only democracy" in Middle East



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: FREE SAMI AL-ARIAN, ZIONAZI VICTIM OF PERSECUTION
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  FREE SAMI AL ARAIAN, THE VICTIM OF THE ZIONIST TORTURERS

This highly qualified computer scientist, who has taught many
Americans this science, is being held under inhuman conditions, even
though he has been found  not guilty of all charges.

Is this the American justice? Is this that5 "democracy" Shrub is
trying to sell to Arabs?

Is this in accordance with the Constitution of Unitad States, to
torture an innocent man?

Sami Al Arian, father of five, is now on hunger strike, and should be
released in accordance with the plea agreement he entered into with
the Justice Department of United States.

Please write to your Congressman, your Senator, your representative,
no matter in what cvountry you live in and demand justice for Sami Al-
Arian.

Also please write to this political prisoner of USA:

Contact Info

Email Tampa Bay Coalition for Justice and Peace:
tampabayjust...@yahoo.com

To write to Dr. Sami Al-Arian:
Sami Al-Arian (#19638)
Northern Neck Regional Jail
P.O. Box 1060
Warsaw, VA 22572



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The 1967 Arab Aggression and the Immense Benefits of Israeli Occupation
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On Feb 7, 11:51 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> The 1967 Arab Aggression and the Immense Benefits of Israeli
> Occupation
>
> Egypt and Syria started the Six Day war with the USSR's help by
> massing

YOU LYING FUCKING BITCH!




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From: "Venceremos" 
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 Imagine agents of a foreign government - say, Russia or China -
deciding that certain Americans might be plotting against their
country. Imagine those agents seizing the Americans while they're on
vacation abroad. Imagine those agents then secretly transporting the
Americans for interrogation to a third country notorious for its use
of torture in interrogations, where they are - no surprise - tortured.

Finally, imagine the outrage that would sweep America at the discovery
of such conduct and the anger we would feel toward the governments
responsible for the seizure and torture of our fellow Americans.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Feb 7, 4:35 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > in comparison with the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million
> > victims
AND FUCK YOU, TOO, LIAR!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: FREE SAMI AL-ARIAN, THE VICTIM OF THE ZIONAZI PERSECUTION
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 Al Arian is innocent person persecuted by the ZioNazi gangsters
because of his political views



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: "PATRIOTS" MY ARSE! THEY ARE PAWNS OF RICH JEWISH NEOCONS
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 United States troops have become murderers and torturers, no
different than the Nazis. Bring them home and end the Jew War.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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>
> That's because Jerusalem is ours, always has been, always will be.
>
> Deborah

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? SOME RUSSIAN JEW WHORE?




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Jews in the United States
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On Feb 8, 11:22 am, "Iamhere"  wrote:
> According to the latest Brandeis University study, the number of
> Jewish Americans has jumped from 5.2 million to 7.4 million.

SHIT YEAH! JUMP THEY WILL INTO THE OVEN



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Back to Cheering Israeli Mossad Types on 9/11 - But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?
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 Much more than that! ZioNazi agents were all over United States,
planning the execution of 911. There were hundreds of Mossad agents in
Florida alone. Their proxy "hjackers" were closely watched and
prepared for their own death. Zionists have planned 911 from the
beginning to end. There was no involvement  O Al Qaeda



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR KIKELAND
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On Feb 7, 7:48 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Feb 6, 4:39 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
>
> > They have all been offered compensation, but chose not to accept it on the
> > advice of their leaders for political purposes. You know that. The Israelis
> > have also offered compenstion through UNRWA which was rejected.
>
> Of course. That would not be in the interests of the UNRWA paper
> shufflers.
>
> > On the Doha debate (BBC WORLD) this weekend Shimon Peres repeated that
> > Israel is quite prepared to pay compensation, but so far the the majority of
> > Palestinians who lost property have refused it.
>
> You mean they can't produce any documentary evidence that the own the
> real property they claim to own.

...AND JEWS CAN!...THAT FIGURES!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Putin in Saudi Arabia & Warns Bush of Missing with Iran!
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 Putin has more credibility in the world than all the pro Jewsish
puppets in the world put together



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HOLOHOAX: Data on "The Holocaust"
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On Feb 8, 7:49 pm, Nathan Bedford Forrest  wrote:
> The following is a compilation of Holohoax data.
>
> Red Cross
>
> Red Cross: "46 death books containing 74,000 names from
> Auschwtiz Microfilm copies released to the International
> Commitee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union."
>
> It says 74,000 Jews died at Auschwtiz. Please study footnote [1]
>
> In addition here is the Red Cross Arlosen actual records, note
> the Red Cross document states 52,389 dead at Auschwitz.
>
> http://judicial-inc.biz/pics/paarrge_2.jpg
>
> [1] Soviet Union releases Auschwitz archive Death Records:http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html
>
> [2] Red Cross document:http://judicial-inc.biz/pics/paarrge_2.jpg
>
> 6 million dead, my ass.
>
> About IRAN's leader:http://tinyurl.com/2mpymw

Jews will never forgive you for this one! First they will spray your
garage door with a swastika, then they will publish your address on
the internet, hoping that some sayan will bash your head, and after
thyat they will publish your picture in some local rag, and claim that
you are a Nazi!. That is how Jews work!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Norman Finkelstein, Benny Morris and Peace not Apartheid
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On Feb 8, 3:53 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> Brandeis University's Radical Student Alliance has invited anti-Israel
> activist Norman Finkelstein to speak on campus, a university newspaper
> reports.

Finkelstein is a Jew, his patrents really did survive the Nazi camps,
and he and Israel Sjahak
who has also survived the Nazi camps are the only two jews completely
honest about the Holohoax lies being spread by garbage like yourself.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Brandeis survey says 6 million Jews in US - YETNEWS
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On Feb 8, 3:29 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3362720,00.html

The other creep said that there were 7.6 million of the bastards
infesting this great country. Make up your mind



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: N-KKKarta rabbi's kids expelled from school
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On Feb 8, 1:37 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Neturei Karta rabbi's kids expelled
> By ASSOCIATED PRESS
> VIENNA, Austria
> 20 Shvat 5767, Thursday, February 8, 2007 20:11 IST
>
> Talkbacks for this article: 67
>
> The children of an Austrian rabbi who attended an Iranian conference
> that questioned the Holocaust have been expelled from their school and
> told no other Jewish school in Austria will take them,

That is what I call retribution! And how many fucking yeshivas are
there in Austria, do you need two hands to count them on?



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 Certainly not! Can you post the brands of the crap made in Kikeland!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 According to exclusive information of "Diplomatia", shock, awe, and
panic grieped the Headquarters of the Greek Air Force yesterday,
February 5, 2007, when radars detected a large formation of military
aircraft flying inside the FIR of Athens, heading from Israel to
Carpathos (a greek island, south west of Rhodes, cm).

Immediately two pairs of F-16s of the Greek Air Force scrambled from
Crete to identify the invaders.

They were a formation of military aircraft of Israel consisting of 7
Boeing 703 (refurbished Boeing 707) tankers, 1 Golfstream electronic
warfare aircraft, and 25 F-15 Strike Eagle and F-16 fighters, flying
at altitudes of 22-44,000 feet.

The Israeli formation turned and departed towards Israel 12 miles
southeast of Carpathos, after having flown for 20 minutes inside the
FIR of Athens.

According to information received, this was a refueling exercise of
the Israeli air force. The same sources report that flight plans had
been filed with the Nicosia and Athens FIRs for the 7 Boeing 703 only,
and not for the 25 fighters and the electronic warfare aircraft,
resulting thus to a serious breach of international flight rules. As a
result of this violation, panic gripped the National Center of
Operations at the military headquarters.

Unconfirmed reports state that this is the second fuel transfering and
refueling exercise of the Israeli air force. The first took place last
year (a date is not provided, cm) and the Israeli planes reached
Gibraltar.

.........................................

(The rest of the article discusses the case for a serious violation of
ICAO flight plan rules by the Israeli actions and provides a
counterpoint by some high ranking greek military official who attempts
to hush down this incident)



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 I have been way too polite with you lot so far - Enough is enough.
___________________________________

I read that the criminal you voted for not once but twice and don't
give me this crap about your rigged elections - this is your screwed
democracy and this is not my problem and you voted TWICE for a
bastard, criminal, thug , so shut up and don't you interrupt because I
have heaps to tell you...

So this bastard of yours wants 3 trillion dollars for his war efforts
in Iraq.
Four years down the line and your fucked up country with its equally
fucked up military has not managed to control and seize a country the
size of California.
You can stuff your flags right where the sun does not shine for
starters.

Three trillion dollars to kill more innocent,poor people who have done
absolutely nothing to you. Nor they nor their President Saddam Hussein
nor his government.

And dont'you give me the crap about your upholding a dictator.
For us he was a saint not a dictator and when you could not get him
through years and years of inflicting misery and starvation through
your smart criminal sanctions, you got us and him with your filthy
smart bombs...And tell that shitty anti-war "liberal" "progressive"
reps of yours that you did not uphold him in power, the people of Iraq
did, by hook or by crook...and however much you hate it.

So get off your high sham pedestals for you are nothing and deserve
nothing but the utmost contempt and get that truth right into your
thick little skulls, skulls numbed with drugs, junk food, violence and
trashy soap operas and of course...dollars.

Those same dollars that you will be spending on killing us some more.
A study , and only a fucked up country like yours would produce such a
study, estimated that the cost of killing one single Iraqi is 2.40
Dollars.
This is what our lives are worth in your filthy calculating minds and
in your shameless eyes.

So three trillion dollars divided by 2.40 and you would be finishing
us all off.
This is what you are - a people who get high on blood and murder.
You make money out of killing in reality and in films and that is the
only thing you can produce.

Just look at your disgusting hollywood and your cocaine addict
stars,that is all you know in life and that is all that life will dish
out to you.
The same way you have treated others, you will be treated. I can
assure you that. Nothing goes unaccounted for in this life or in the
one after, even though you have no one above auditing you but there is
One that will not miss a single act. This is my promise to you.

Getting back to dollars, your green lord.
What happened to the 12 billion dollars you stole? And they were not
12 billion they were over 20 billion dollars that you stole from Iraq
and the plan was to use this sum for "our liberation."
Twenty billion dollars that we got in exchange for "oil for food."
Just look at this sentence alone - "Oil for food program."
What a despicable sentence coming from a despicable people. This
sentence is what describes you best. It encapsulates everything you
stand for ... ugly, ugly lot.

You give us your oil and we will give you food . And the message
behind it, we will just feed you with your own oil. Just feed you,
like you feed your pets but then you took us on a leash too like dogs
(remember Abu Ghraib - you sons of bitches) but I am reserving as
special treat for you on that subject,later.
I will not leave anything out, you can trust me on this one .

Liberating us with our money and our own blood. What a hideous lot you
are . Sickening, truly sickening. I can't even begin to tell you how
much I despise you. You rolled into Iraq with your crusading motto of
Infinite Justice and my motto for you is Infinite Contempt . And you
deserve nothing else. Nothing else at all.

And I don't want to read any of your patronizing, condenscending
comments about how I should show you compassion. Fuck that.
Again, this is what your arrogance is all about. You ask the victim to
show the perpetrator compassion and you come and say lamely, "I am
sorry for what my country did to yours."
Sorry , you are sorry ?

You have destroyed us, you have destroyed our homes, our families, our
livelihood, you have destroyed our country for ever, for generations
to come and you say you are sorry and be expected to be off the hook
that easily ?
You think you assuaged your guilt for 3 seconds? Is that it ?
You raped and killed a whole people for no reason at all and you are
sorry?

Fuck you and fuck your "am sorry". I don't want your sorry faces and
sentences.
I want my loved ones back. I want my relatives who are rotting in your
camps and being tortured back, I want Omar back, I want little Hassan
back, I want Nabil back, I want my home back, I want Iraq's wealth and
treasures back ...I want JUSTICE.

And the 3 million Iraqis dead that you killed and their relatives want
Justice and the 3.7 million displaced because of you want Justice ....
You are sorry my ass.

I know how you lot live. If someone dents your car or takes one extra
penny from you or you burn your lips on some crappy cup of instant
coffee, you whine that your rights have been usurped and you sue and
make millions. But then you go with impunity and unscrupulously steal
other people's wealth and livelihood, strip them of their rights,rape
them ,massacre them and you install puppets who are in your own image,
as filthy and as corrupt as you are. And you have the audacity to say
you are the greatest nation on earth ?

These 20 billion dollars that your administration stole and which are
unaccounted for were the livelihood of millions of people, their
rationing to eat and survive thanks to your oil for food program
against the Tyrant.

The Tyrant ? Who is the Tyrant here you sons of whores, who exactly is
the Tyrant?

Your heinous "left" along with your equally heinous "right" moan:
" oh he gassed his people" and what did you do ? You burned us alive.
"Oh he displaced his people" and what did you do? Conduct mass
genocide and mass exodus.
"Oh he did not respect minorities" and what did you do? "Clean out"
the whole of Iraq along sectarian lines and kill all minorities by
starving them, bombing them, raping them....
And you have the audacity to keep pointing the finger at a dead man.
A tyrant huh? what hypocritical sons of bitches you are.

You are the tyrants, your minds are tyrannical, your minds are
terroristic, your minds are psychopathic,your minds are sadistic.Your
are the tyrants indeed. Tyranny runs in your veins along with your
arrogance and ignorance.

You are one hell of a sick nation, that feeds onto others like some
parasite.
6 % of the world population that feeds on over 40 % of the world
resources.
Ignorant, apathetic, obese, spoiled, indifferent, arrogant, stupid,
shallow, hollow, violent, neurotic, sadistic, perverted, superficial,
ugly, evil lot.

You starved , killed, maimed , raped, traumatized a whole people, a
whole nation with roots that dates thousands of years compared to your
limited history of not more than 200 years , 200 years of a society
made of smelly drunk white cowboys, slave traders and ex convicts. Yes
this is what you are.
And for what? So you can continue being the apathetic, shallow,
hollow, obese, psychopathic, ignorant, indifferent, arrogant, stupid ,
superficial, sadistic, perverted, violent, neurotic,ugly, evil lot
that you are.
This is your curse. Enjoy it.

There is not one people you have come across that you have not
destroyed or forced to liken you in character or behavior.

You destroyed the Native Americans, these noble people who have more
wisdom than all of your race put together.

You destroyed the Africans whom you brought to your country chained
and starved.
You destroyed the Asians whom you nuked senselessly and napalmed and
more examples abound through history and they have not ceased...
They have not ceased because you have not changed . You have remained
the uncivilized, primitive, uncultured, arrogant, haughty, greedy,
covetous, gluttonous, people that you have always been. This is why it
has not ceased.

It is not about oil. You love barking like rabid dogs and blaming the
"neo-cons".
You keep using that word like a moronic parrot. The neo-cons are part
and parcel of you. The neo-cons are a product of who you are, of your
fabric, of your psyche, of your society to which you have blindly
contributed like sheep.
Stop blaming your neo-cons and start looking at yourselves because
this is where it all began.... Right inside of you. Yes you.

Getting back to dollars. When Baghdad was occupied forcefully, when
Baghdad was penetrated violently, when you have raped Baghdad and the
rest of Iraq, your government for which you voted twice, set up a so
called CPA-a coalition provisional authority.
Many gangsters came to the Green Zone representing you and your CPA
and you hired thieves like yourselves from the "locals" and you
trained them in the art of perfection.
In the art of perfect stealing, raping and murdering...
Back in 2003, 364 million dollars in cash were found. Part of Iraq's
wealth.
A special aicraft transported these 364 million dollars to New York to
be "counted".

Someone I know very well asked, following a press interview, one of
your CPA representatives who was in charge of "reconstruction
projects" and who was an ex salsa dance teacher before he joined
your"respectable" government of criminals.He asked him what happened
to the 364 million dollars in cash. Your salsa teacher smiled and
replied "It is still being counted." My friend pressed more and said
"It's been 6 months!", the salsa thug's face grew stern and said:"You
don't ask questions, you should be grateful." And it was our money,
Iraqi money.

Well I ask questions and am not grateful you mother fuckers. I want to
know where Iraq's money went? I want to know who took it and I want
all of you criminals tried for theft, embezzlement, rape, slaughter,
destruction and mass genocide...
Yes this is what I eagerly want, this is what I yearn for, what I long
for ...
I want to see you all, the lowly USA, convicted and shamed in this
life and in the hereafter for crimes against humanity, crimes you have
conducted since your inception till this very day...That is my ardent
desire.

And my last wish for you, is that those 3 trillion dollars bring about
your bankruptcy, your down fall, your end. Money is your weak point
and this is where you will get hit hardest. Of this I am certain.

Al-Sahaf, the Iraqi ex minister of Information did not lie when he
said Iraq is going to be your quagmire and your graveyard.
Iraq will be your moral, financial, political and physical graveyard.
Civilization started here in the Land of the Tigris and the Euphrates
and this land will bring you down to your knees.
This land will finally liberate you from your phoniness, your
deceitfulness,your deceptiveness,your arrogance...in sum your ugly
shadow self.
It will liberate you from your spiritual bankruptcy. You will be able
to be born again as a true people for a change.
You need to be eternally grateful to us and bow in humility and awe,
for we are paying for your true liberation with our own lives.
Mark my words and say to yourselves, an Arab woman told me so.
But in the meantime, am not done with you yet...



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 I have been way too polite with you lot so far - Enough is enough.
___________________________________

I read that the criminal you voted for not once but twice and don't
give me this crap about your rigged elections - this is your screwed
democracy and this is not my problem and you voted TWICE for a
bastard, criminal, thug , so shut up and don't you interrupt because I
have heaps to tell you...

So this bastard of yours wants 3 trillion dollars for his war efforts
in Iraq.
Four years down the line and your fucked up country with its equally
fucked up military has not managed to control and seize a country the
size of California.
You can stuff your flags right where the sun does not shine for
starters.

Three trillion dollars to kill more innocent,poor people who have done
absolutely nothing to you. Nor they nor their President Saddam Hussein
nor his government.

And dont'you give me the crap about your upholding a dictator.
For us he was a saint not a dictator and when you could not get him
through years and years of inflicting misery and starvation through
your smart criminal sanctions, you got us and him with your filthy
smart bombs...And tell that shitty anti-war "liberal" "progressive"
reps of yours that you did not uphold him in power, the people of Iraq
did, by hook or by crook...and however much you hate it.

So get off your high sham pedestals for you are nothing and deserve
nothing but the utmost contempt and get that truth right into your
thick little skulls, skulls numbed with drugs, junk food, violence and
trashy soap operas and of course...dollars.

Those same dollars that you will be spending on killing us some more.
A study , and only a fucked up country like yours would produce such a
study, estimated that the cost of killing one single Iraqi is 2.40
Dollars.
This is what our lives are worth in your filthy calculating minds and
in your shameless eyes.

So three trillion dollars divided by 2.40 and you would be finishing
us all off.
This is what you are - a people who get high on blood and murder.
You make money out of killing in reality and in films and that is the
only thing you can produce.

Just look at your disgusting hollywood and your cocaine addict
stars,that is all you know in life and that is all that life will dish
out to you.
The same way you have treated others, you will be treated. I can
assure you that. Nothing goes unaccounted for in this life or in the
one after, even though you have no one above auditing you but there is
One that will not miss a single act. This is my promise to you.

Getting back to dollars, your green lord.
What happened to the 12 billion dollars you stole? And they were not
12 billion they were over 20 billion dollars that you stole from Iraq
and the plan was to use this sum for "our liberation."
Twenty billion dollars that we got in exchange for "oil for food."
Just look at this sentence alone - "Oil for food program."
What a despicable sentence coming from a despicable people. This
sentence is what describes you best. It encapsulates everything you
stand for ... ugly, ugly lot.

You give us your oil and we will give you food . And the message
behind it, we will just feed you with your own oil. Just feed you,
like you feed your pets but then you took us on a leash too like dogs
(remember Abu Ghraib - you sons of bitches) but I am reserving as
special treat for you on that subject,later.
I will not leave anything out, you can trust me on this one .

Liberating us with our money and our own blood. What a hideous lot you
are . Sickening, truly sickening. I can't even begin to tell you how
much I despise you. You rolled into Iraq with your crusading motto of
Infinite Justice and my motto for you is Infinite Contempt . And you
deserve nothing else. Nothing else at all.

And I don't want to read any of your patronizing, condenscending
comments about how I should show you compassion. Fuck that.
Again, this is what your arrogance is all about. You ask the victim to
show the perpetrator compassion and you come and say lamely, "I am
sorry for what my country did to yours."
Sorry , you are sorry ?

You have destroyed us, you have destroyed our homes, our families, our
livelihood, you have destroyed our country for ever, for generations
to come and you say you are sorry and be expected to be off the hook
that easily ?
You think you assuaged your guilt for 3 seconds? Is that it ?
You raped and killed a whole people for no reason at all and you are
sorry?

Fuck you and fuck your "am sorry". I don't want your sorry faces and
sentences.
I want my loved ones back. I want my relatives who are rotting in your
camps and being tortured back, I want Omar back, I want little Hassan
back, I want Nabil back, I want my home back, I want Iraq's wealth and
treasures back ...I want JUSTICE.

And the 3 million Iraqis dead that you killed and their relatives want
Justice and the 3.7 million displaced because of you want Justice ....
You are sorry my ass.

I know how you lot live. If someone dents your car or takes one extra
penny from you or you burn your lips on some crappy cup of instant
coffee, you whine that your rights have been usurped and you sue and
make millions. But then you go with impunity and unscrupulously steal
other people's wealth and livelihood, strip them of their rights,rape
them ,massacre them and you install puppets who are in your own image,
as filthy and as corrupt as you are. And you have the audacity to say
you are the greatest nation on earth ?

These 20 billion dollars that your administration stole and which are
unaccounted for were the livelihood of millions of people, their
rationing to eat and survive thanks to your oil for food program
against the Tyrant.

The Tyrant ? Who is the Tyrant here you sons of whores, who exactly is
the Tyrant?

Your heinous "left" along with your equally heinous "right" moan:
" oh he gassed his people" and what did you do ? You burned us alive.
"Oh he displaced his people" and what did you do? Conduct mass
genocide and mass exodus.
"Oh he did not respect minorities" and what did you do? "Clean out"
the whole of Iraq along sectarian lines and kill all minorities by
starving them, bombing them, raping them....
And you have the audacity to keep pointing the finger at a dead man.
A tyrant huh? what hypocritical sons of bitches you are.

You are the tyrants, your minds are tyrannical, your minds are
terroristic, your minds are psychopathic,your minds are sadistic.Your
are the tyrants indeed. Tyranny runs in your veins along with your
arrogance and ignorance.

You are one hell of a sick nation, that feeds onto others like some
parasite.
6 % of the world population that feeds on over 40 % of the world
resources.
Ignorant, apathetic, obese, spoiled, indifferent, arrogant, stupid,
shallow, hollow, violent, neurotic, sadistic, perverted, superficial,
ugly, evil lot.

You starved , killed, maimed , raped, traumatized a whole people, a
whole nation with roots that dates thousands of years compared to your
limited history of not more than 200 years , 200 years of a society
made of smelly drunk white cowboys, slave traders and ex convicts. Yes
this is what you are.
And for what? So you can continue being the apathetic, shallow,
hollow, obese, psychopathic, ignorant, indifferent, arrogant, stupid ,
superficial, sadistic, perverted, violent, neurotic,ugly, evil lot
that you are.
This is your curse. Enjoy it.

There is not one people you have come across that you have not
destroyed or forced to liken you in character or behavior.

You destroyed the Native Americans, these noble people who have more
wisdom than all of your race put together.

You destroyed the Africans whom you brought to your country chained
and starved.
You destroyed the Asians whom you nuked senselessly and napalmed and
more examples abound through history and they have not ceased...
They have not ceased because you have not changed . You have remained
the uncivilized, primitive, uncultured, arrogant, haughty, greedy,
covetous, gluttonous, people that you have always been. This is why it
has not ceased.

It is not about oil. You love barking like rabid dogs and blaming the
"neo-cons".
You keep using that word like a moronic parrot. The neo-cons are part
and parcel of you. The neo-cons are a product of who you are, of your
fabric, of your psyche, of your society to which you have blindly
contributed like sheep.
Stop blaming your neo-cons and start looking at yourselves because
this is where it all began.... Right inside of you. Yes you.

Getting back to dollars. When Baghdad was occupied forcefully, when
Baghdad was penetrated violently, when you have raped Baghdad and the
rest of Iraq, your government for which you voted twice, set up a so
called CPA-a coalition provisional authority.
Many gangsters came to the Green Zone representing you and your CPA
and you hired thieves like yourselves from the "locals" and you
trained them in the art of perfection.
In the art of perfect stealing, raping and murdering...
Back in 2003, 364 million dollars in cash were found. Part of Iraq's
wealth.
A special aicraft transported these 364 million dollars to New York to
be "counted".

Someone I know very well asked, following a press interview, one of
your CPA representatives who was in charge of "reconstruction
projects" and who was an ex salsa dance teacher before he joined
your"respectable" government of criminals.He asked him what happened
to the 364 million dollars in cash. Your salsa teacher smiled and
replied "It is still being counted." My friend pressed more and said
"It's been 6 months!", the salsa thug's face grew stern and said:"You
don't ask questions, you should be grateful." And it was our money,
Iraqi money.

Well I ask questions and am not grateful you mother fuckers. I want to
know where Iraq's money went? I want to know who took it and I want
all of you criminals tried for theft, embezzlement, rape, slaughter,
destruction and mass genocide...
Yes this is what I eagerly want, this is what I yearn for, what I long
for ...
I want to see you all, the lowly USA, convicted and shamed in this
life and in the hereafter for crimes against humanity, crimes you have
conducted since your inception till this very day...That is my ardent
desire.

And my last wish for you, is that those 3 trillion dollars bring about
your bankruptcy, your down fall, your end. Money is your weak point
and this is where you will get hit hardest. Of this I am certain.

Al-Sahaf, the Iraqi ex minister of Information did not lie when he
said Iraq is going to be your quagmire and your graveyard.
Iraq will be your moral, financial, political and physical graveyard.
Civilization started here in the Land of the Tigris and the Euphrates
and this land will bring you down to your knees.
This land will finally liberate you from your phoniness, your
deceitfulness,your deceptiveness,your arrogance...in sum your ugly
shadow self.
It will liberate you from your spiritual bankruptcy. You will be able
to be born again as a true people for a change.
You need to be eternally grateful to us and bow in humility and awe,
for we are paying for your true liberation with our own lives.
Mark my words and say to yourselves, an Arab woman told me so.
But in the meantime, am not done with you yet...



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On Feb 8, 10:51 pm, "Ron O'Neal"  wrote:
> "Nathan Bedford Forrest"  wrote in messagenews:e1a905f5ed511e73a74312a2908e9a9d@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>
>
>
> > The following is a compilation of Holohoax data.
>
> > Red Cross
>
> > Red Cross: "46 death books containing 74,000 names from
> > Auschwtiz Microfilm copies released to the International
> > Commitee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by the Soviet Union."
>
> > It says 74,000 Jews died at Auschwtiz. Please study footnote [1]
>
> > In addition here is the Red Cross Arlosen actual records, note
> > the Red Cross document states 52,389 dead at Auschwitz.
>
> >http://judicial-inc.biz/pics/paarrge_2.jpg
>
> > [1] Soviet Union releases Auschwitz archive Death Records:
> >http://www.redcross.org/services/int...ace/facts.html
>
> > [2] Red Cross document:http://judicial-inc.biz/pics/paarrge_2.jpg
>
> > 6 million dead, my ass.
>
> > About IRAN's leader:http://tinyurl.com/2mpymw
>
> 
>
> Why the "handle" of N. B. Forrest?  He was closely associated with and given
> much credit for the rise of the KKK.
>
> OH!  Gosh, that explains your idiotic post implying the Holocaust was faked,
> doesn't it?
>
> More Jew Babble from uninformed bigots.
>
> RO

F ucking arsehole! I lived through the Holocaust and know that many
millions died, I saw it. It is the Jew tale that I do not buy, it
never happened the way Jews say it did



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On Feb 9, 4:22 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/822611.html
> We Jews need the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
>
> We need it to remind
> us of who we are,

I know who the fuck you are. You are Russians, German, American and
Polish, Romanian and Italian, just like anyone else, Judaism is your
religion



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On Feb 6, 7:20 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Binyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> 
>
> > Where the fuck did they get a castle from? I'll bet my balls they
> > either swiped it or usured the original owner into the grave.
>
> My great-grandparents owned it, but didn't actually live in it. They divided
> it into apartments inside whilst maintaining the facad.. They lived in a big
> house nearby with land and had other properties as well
> The castle isn't the size of a huge French Chateau , it's about a quarter of
> the size. It is now the town council building.
> My great-grandparents and grandfather  had a flourishing import and
> exporting businesses as well as a furrier business.They worked very  hard .
> My great- grandmother had a huge vegetable garden ,orchard, poultry which
> she l;ooked after personally. She also cooked a lot, she loved food and was
> a typical Yiddish mum. I have pictures going back to before the turn of the
> 19th century showing her doing bottling ,making jam etc.....They weren't
> lazy aristocrats although they had staff.
> My grandparents worked their butts off when they came here. Nothing was
> taken for granted. My grandfather was still working up until almost the last
> day he died of cancer.--
>
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Yep that is how my family estate in Posad Pokrovskoe looked like
before the Jewish commissars slaughtered the whole family of about 40
people by a bullet in the back of the head.All that remains today is
their villa in Krivi Rig, which was taken over by the Jewish
Commissars, descendants of whom still infest the place



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On Feb 8, 6:53 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> >     US Iraqi Genocide is associated with 1 MILLION post-invasion
> > excess deaths and constitues an Iraqi Holocaust. However Mainstream
> > media notoriously IGNORE the horrendous ACTUALITY of the carnage in
> > Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan where the post-invasion excess
> > deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not have to happen) now
> > total 1.0 MILLION and 2.2 MILLION, respectively (see: http://
> > mwcnews.net/Gideon-Polya and specifically:http://mwcnews.net/content/
> > view/11293/42/ andhttp://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/).
>
> 
>
> The Iraqis are genociding each other!!!!

You got the point there! Jews did the same thing to each other during
the WWII



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Washington, D.C., January 26, 2007: "The GRU and other Russian-based
organs have completely penetrated the highest-level American codes
(including satellite transmissions) and have been reading our military
(DIA and Pentagon) and civilian (read CIA/USIA and other) messages
being sent from Iraq, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and Italy.


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>From this, I was told, and shown copies of intercepts, that Bush and
Israel are fomenting a new war in the Gulf area by either creating an
"incident" (casus belli) or instigating one.

There are US intelligence units (small) now operating under cover in
Iran and while the Iranians don't know the details, the Russians do.
If, as reported, Bush is going to off Iranians in Iraq, the U.S. units
in Iran will be offed as a quid pro quo. And videos of the executions
made for U.S. domestic consumption!

Both Russia and China have supplied Iran (and from them the Iraqi
Resistance people) with shaped charge small shoulder-held rockets that
will blow up the biggest tank and, as happened several days ago, the
biggest armored military helicopters?

The suggestion that Bush and Israel would attack Iran for his prestige
and their safety might interdict the vital oil China must have and so
the Chinese, too, have fully entered the game.

They don't keep the Russians courant.

The latter have also got agents planted with Israeli military and
intelligence organs in Israel and these supply Moscow with a heavy
stream of information concerning the Mideast political and military
situation and most especially, projects that might be of interest to
Russia and, through them, Iran. Any gen coming from the U.S. to Israel
ends up in Moscow almost simultaneously! Do much for the delusion that
secrets are secrets.

Anyway, the Mideast pot is coming to a boil and this parallels the
situation in Washington where Bush is facing growing, and entirely
predictable, rebellion from the newly-empowered Democrats.

Remember the proverb about the house built on sand? The winds came and
beat upon that house and it fell and great was the fall thereof? Nice
simile and so true! "


Iran has said it had identified 100 spies working for the United
States and Israel in border areas of the Islamic state.

"One hundred people who were directly working for the US and Israeli
intelligence ... who were intending to collect political and military
information were identified and are now in our intelligence net,"
Intelligence Minister Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejeie was quoted as
saying.

The minister added that a number of Iranians who wanted to take part
in spying courses abroad had also been arrested, the semi-official
Fars news agency reported Thursday.

"We were able to identify and arrest all those who wanted to take part
in espionage course abroad under the guise of taking part in
educational courses," Mohseni Ejeie said, without elaborating.

Early last month, Iranian MP Ahmad Tavakoli said that Iran had
arrested a spy working in parliament's research centre who had been
passing information on its nuclear programme to outlawed armed
opposition group, People's Mujahedeen.

Iranian authorities claim that the United States supports armed groups
in the country's border provinces, whose population includes Kurd,
Arab or Baluch ethnic minorities.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Iran_says_100_spies_working_for_0208.html




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He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
BLOODY LIAR.

HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK

Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!

SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER




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Israel, US sign homeland security pact
By REBECCA ANNA STOIL



Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter and his US counterpart,
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, signed a joint
memorandum in Washington DC on Wednesday evening, setting a series of
goals and terms for security collaboration between the two nations.

The joint understanding included partnership on flight security,
including passenger and cargo inspection and information sharing on
the topic of emergency planning, response, recovery and damage
control. The understanding also encompassed sharing of research and
development progress in the field of explosives detection.

In addition, Israel and the US will share information about steps
taken to neutralize, respond to and reduce terror and criminal
activities in specific fields and will also hold joint training and
staff exchanges.

Dichter had previously described the agreement as "a breakthrough
signing of an understandings agreement with the US for the war on
terror and establishing cooperation between the Internal Security
Ministry and the Department of Homeland Security."

Dichter, who is on a four-day diplomatic visit to North America, was
recently officially appointed as Israel's diplomatic counterpart to
Chertoff. The former Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) head is widely
recognized in Washington as an expert in counter-terrorism,
particularly following a nine-month stint as a fellow at the D.C.
Brookings Institute think tank.

A preliminary document signed by both Dichter and Chertoff took pains
to describe that "the meeting was held in a friendly and constructive
atmosphere and with a spirit of mutual understanding" and with
complete agreement "that there exists a vital need to promote
operational, scientific and technological cooperation between the
parties in the field of homeland security."

The two parties agreed that a Homeland Security Steering Committee
will meet at least once a year in order to make sure that the clauses
of the memorandum are carried out. The committee, which will be led by
Public Security Ministry Director Ronny Falk, was also tasked with
defining, setting forth and ratifying "broad, substantive priority
areas for the joint activities within the framework of the
memorandum." Specific desks will be set up at the nations' respective
embassies to make sure that the cooperation and information flows
freely.

The agreement builds upon an earlier agreement signed in 1996 which
outlined cooperation in preventing terror attacks, as well as an
agreement between the Defense Ministry and its US counterpart
discussing research and development in the war on terror.

"Iran is the largest terrorist state in the world" Dichter said late
Tuesday night to members of the public security committee of the
Canadian parliament. Moving from discussing geopolitics to talking
shop with the Canadian lawmakers, Dichter laid out what he believes to
be the guidelines for Canadian-Israeli security cooperation in the
future, possibly similar to the agreement that the minister signed a
day later in Washington DC.

The Canadian MPs echoed their American compatriots in addressing the
former Shin Bet head as a world expert in the field of terror rather
than as a visiting minister of a foreign government, asking him at one
point what specific steps the parliament could take to prevent terror
attacks on Canadian soil.

In his answer, Dichter reiterated the importance of strengthening
border security and use of proper investigative methods with suspects.
But the minister, who spent almost a year as a research fellow in the
US, also emphasized that democratic countries - Israel among them -
had to work hard to find the appropriate balance between respect for
human rights and investigative procedures. He cited the example of
transparency of the investigation as dependent on oversight of the
judicial system, as well as the oversight of groups such as the Red
Cross.

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You can call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard toll-free: (800) 828-0498,
459-1887 or 614-2803; 24/7!

Carol Korreck: A Soldier's Mother Challenges Anyone Who Will Listen
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Tue, 02/06/2007 - 2:39pm. Reader
Contribution A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION by Carol Korreck

President Bush keeps insisting America needs to "support the troops."
What exactly is it that shows support?

Extending tours of duty? Sending soldiers into battle without the
proper training and equipment? There is much information to document
the shortages - one can Google the recently released Inspector General
audit reports to get the details. The extended tours and "back door
drafts" are common practice and common knowledge.

Maybe I am beyond frustration, because I do not understand the
complacency of "patriotic Americans."

While many sat glued to their television sets on March 19, 2003 and
watched the media orgy of "shock and awe" carefully orchestrated with
embedded journalists (only allowed to show what would boost public
support for the illegal and immoral preemptive war) - I sat
dumbfounded, wondering how we had gone from the president saying all
diplomatic and peaceful means would be exhausted, to this horrendous
display of unprovoked violence and murder.

I couldn't lose interest after a few days like the general public did.
My 21-year-old son was somewhere in the chaos, crammed in a bradlee -
little food water or sleep for days as the soldiers made their way
>from Kuwait to Baghdad.

Maybe that's why I am dismayed that nothing is being done to stop a
man who is not a dictator, and is not a king, and yet is allowed to
continue to play "good guy-bad guy," but with real life flesh and
blood soldiers, not with little plastic toy soldiers.

These are our sons, daughters wives and husbands. They bleed. They
die. Millions of Americans who say they "support the troops" remain so
detached from the day to day horrors of this war and occupation that
they are ambivalent to the politics responsible for 3100 American
deaths.

On May 29, 2006 a record 63.5 million people called or sent a text
message to vote for the new "American Idol." While they were casting
their votes, Cpl. Jeremy M. Loveless, 25, of Estacada, Ore., died in
Mosul, Iraq. He was shot by a sniper during a mission as a medic with
the 4th Platoon, A Company, Task force 2-1. He was maintaining
security on a Stryker vehicle. Jeremy left behind a wife and 4-year-
old daughter.

Also on May 29, Capt. James A. Funkhouser, 35, of Katy, Texas, died in
Baghdad, Iraq, of injuries sustained when a vehicle-borne improvised
explosive device detonated near his HMMWV during reconnaissance patrol
operations. Funkhouser was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 12th
Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood,
Texas. Alex left behind a wife and two young daughters. His wife
voiced this concern:

I know Alex is just one of many, but maybe his death has and will
force others to stop and notice when another soldier dies instead of
barely paying attention to it in the news.

I think that we are all starting to become immune to all of the death
there and everywhere else. Iraq has been in our lives for the past few
years and the deaths just don't seem to be as important now. Please
don't let that happen. Take time to notice another soldier fallen.
Remember Alex and know that the next soldier is probably someone just
like him. Bobby Muller, a Vietnam veteran who founded "Veterans for
America," posted an article in January and one of his points was this:

There's an increasing bitterness among military members about the
disconnect between American society itself and their experience of
war. They're putting their lives on the line, sometimes day after day,
but for society at large, it's like there's no war going on.
Supporting our troops means getting our elected officials to represent
America - not protect their political paychecks. Congress needs to
hear loudly and clearly and repeatedly that Americans do not support
an escalation.

The majority of Americans no longer support the war. (And may I
suggest that those that still do support the war enlist, or encourage
their loved ones to enlist and therefore demonstrate their true
patriotism instead of just being armchair warriors.) If 63.5 million
people could grab a phone to vote for their "Idol," certainly we can
rally to call our elected officials and demand that they listen and
take action.

I don't care who is running for office in 2008 and how the war will
affect their election efforts. I do care about the 3100 soldiers
already dead in this war.

There is enough money already in the budget to bring them home safely.
They need real support. Today.

President Bush has never listened to anyone about pre-war planning or
post war planning or the futility of a "troop surge." He has no
military experience. He does not listen to those who do. He is not an
expert on the Middle East. He does not listen to those who are.

He wants to "win." He wants to be a "hero." He is a coward, so he
hides behind his "support the troops" banner so he can guilt people
into submission.

Wake up America. Look in the mirror - motivate yourself! You are one,
but united we are many! Tell yourself you CAN support the troops by
getting them out of the middle of a civil war that they cannot win.
Their lives depend on you and me - they have been fulfilling their
duty as combat soldiers for almost four years now. We need to fulfill
our duty as citizens of the United States who demand our military be
used as intended - to defend our country.

Every day Bush gets to carry on with his dilusional "visions of
grandeur," the results of his abuse of power are being sent home in
flag-draped coffins.

Enough is enough.

Pick up the phone. Call your representatives. Write your local
newspapers. Call your neighbors. Tell them to call their
representatives. Bush is asking for record amounts for his war budget.
It's time to say "No."

A people united can accomplish great things! Believe you can make a
difference and get active about reversing the course of action our
leaders have chosen for our military and for our tax dollars.

Today.

Now!

You can call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121 and ask for
your senator's and representative's office.

Carol Korreck Whiteland, IN




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 FREE SAMI AL ARAIAN, THE VICTIM OF THE ZIONIST TORTURERS

This highly qualified computer scientist, who has taught many
Americans this science, is being held under inhuman conditions, even
though he has been found  not guilty of all charges.

Is this the American justice? Is this that5 "democracy" Shrub is
trying to sell to Arabs?

Is this in accordance with the Constitution of Unitad States, to
torture an innocent man?

Sami Al Arian, father of five, is now on hunger strike, and should be
released in accordance with the plea agreement he entered into with
the Justice Department of United States.

Please write to your Congressman, your Senator, your representative,
no matter in what cvountry you live in and demand justice for Sami Al-
Arian.

Also please write to this political prisoner of USA:

Contact Info

Email Tampa Bay Coalition for Justice and Peace:
tampabayjust...@yahoo.com

To write to Dr. Sami Al-Arian:
Sami Al-Arian (#19638)
Northern Neck Regional Jail
P.O. Box 1060
Warsaw, VA 22572




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it is no surprise that neither man will be attending the proceedings -
they may not even be aware that it is taking place.

But start it will, at a conference in Kuala Lumpur called as part of
the former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's campaign to
criminalise war.

Dr Mahathir is not expected to sit on the tribunal. He couldn't quite
be characterised as impartial.

Dr Mahathir said: "What is Blair if not the co-murderer of 500,000
Iraqi children and the liar who told the British that Saddam had WMD
(Weapons of Mass Destruction) which could be launched against Britain
within 45 minutes?

"History should remember Blair and Bush as the 'killers of children'."

Although the aim of the conference - entitled Expose War Crimes,
Criminalise War - is to outlaw war itself, for many Malaysians who've
turned up that means one thing.

"They're giving an open mind to people who know what kind of war crime
that the US do to our communities in the world," was one man's
assessment. It seemed to be that of most people.

"It is the converted preaching to the converted," said Gwynne Dyer, a
journalist and Oscar-nominated documentary maker who addressed the
conference.

"But I think this conference has potential," he said. "It actually has
a goal beyond cheering people up and allowing them to vent."


And there's a lot of venting going on here. Specifically it seems to
be to vilify Tony Blair and George Bush.

'Vast conspiracy'

The meeting has attracted a curious range of speakers.

The former UN humanitarian co-ordinator in Iraq Hans Von Sponeck
shares a platform with author Alfred Lambremont Webre.

Mr Webre claims to have uncovered a vast conspiracy to profit from
wars. He's also keenly interested in intelligent extra-terrestrial
life.

The message is made quite clear by an exhibition staged in parallel
with the conference. Its style is Madame Tussauds on a shoestring, and
it features tableaux illustrating the carnage of the world wars, the
Palestinian problem, Vietnam and of course Iraq.

There's a section comprising a cage and a couple of dummies wired up
to electrodes with the song Rivers of Babylon pumping away in the
background.


A helpful notice tells us that the "cheerful" music of Boney M was
used as an instrument of torture in the Iraq prison at Abu Ghraib.


Dr Mahathir is busy signing autographs. A woman passes him a copy of
her programme to sign.

"Oh Dr Mahathir", she coos, "you're more handsome in person than you
are in photographs."



The 81-year-old statesman takes it in his stride.

His admirer persists. "I'm honoured, I'm standing in front of you, I'm
shaking I feel like I'm in love for the first time," she says.


"Shameless flattery," I suggested to Dr Mahathir.


"Yes, it's flattery," he said with a grave smile.

Resignation calls

But there's no flattery when I ask him if he has anything to add about
Mr Blair.

"What do I have to say about him? I think it's about time he resigns.
Don't wait too long, people are impatient. It's time he resigns. He's
been telling lies."

Not everyone is convinced that Dr Mahathir is a suitable figurehead
for a new human rights movement.

After all, his record during 22 years in power was far from
unblemished.

He detained political opponents without trial and had scant regard for
the freedom of the press. His administration was accused of turning a
blind eye to torture.

I put this to Dr Dyer.

"If you know someone who has a claim to the moral high ground I'd like
to meet him," he said.

"Nelson Mandela," I ventured.

"Alright, there's one, name a second," he challenged me.

"Desmond Tutu," I suggested knowing, I still had the Dalai Lama up my
sleeve.

"Oh damn," said Dr Dyer. "But you know nobody comes to this with clean
hands and if you wait until you have perfect people to do it you're
not going to get it done are you?"

Meanwhile a Downing Street spokesman responded simply: "We believe the
invasion of Iraq was lawful, and we believe that the UN confirmed with
resolution 1723 that the presence of the multi-national force remains
legal."

And never the twain shall meet.

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IS ONLY KNOWN FOR SAVING THE NECK OF THE MOST DISGUSTING MURDERER IN
THE HISTORY OF UNITED STATS. ALL FOR SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS!  FU I ,
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U.S. checking reports Chinook down in Iraq
Reuters
Wednesday, February 7, 2007; 5:23 AM


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said it was checking reports
that a helicopter, possibly a Chinook transport aircraft, had either
crashed or made an emergency landing near Baghdad on Wednesday.

An Iraqi policeman who had been to the area northwest of Baghdad told
Reuters he had seen wreckage on the ground. One witness who said he
saw the helicopter come down also said he had seen wreckage.


U.S. soldiers had moved in to secure the area, witnesses said.

"We have heard about this ... but I cannot confirm anything at this
stage," said Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Garver, a U.S. military
spokesman in Baghdad.

The U.S. military said on Sunday it was adjusting its tactics in Iraq
after four helicopters were shot down over a two-week period.

Those helicopters were shot down in four separate incidents in which
21 U.S. servicemen and private security contractors were killed.
Dozens of U.S. helicopters have come down, some hit by missiles or
gunfire, in four years of fighting in Iraq.

But the high number lost in such a short time had raised questions
about whether militants had changed tactics or were using more
sophisticated weapons.

At least two witnesses said they saw the helicopter, which they
described as a twin-rotor Chinook, come down on Wednesday amid gunfire
>from the ground. Some witnesses said they saw smoke before the
helicopter went down, while others said they had not seen any.

The Chinook has two crew and can carry up to 55 passengers. They are
used widely to transport troops and cargo around Iraq.


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It is interesting the Telegraph.co.uk, "Lord" Conrad Black's online
version of a neocon newspaper, would publish a story admitting that
the Joint Support Group, described as "a cell from a small and
anonymous British Army unit," manages "covert human intelligence
sources or agents," including double agents, that is to say the Brits
are engaged in terrorist operations, as long suspected.

"During the Irish Troubles, the JSG operated under the cover name of
the Force Research Unit (FRU), which between the early 1980s and the
late 1990s managed to penetrate the very heart of the IRA. By
targeting and then 'turning' members of the paramilitary organization
with a variety of 'inducements'" ranging from blackmail to bribes, the
FRU operators developed agents at virtually every command level within
the IRA," explains Sean Rayment.

Even a dullard, armed with the appropriate search criteria and Google,
can put two and two together in short order and discover that much of
the terrorism in Northern Ireland was orchestrated by FRU and the
British government, including the despicable "human bomb" technique,
that is to say "forcing civilians to drive vehicles laden with
explosives into army checkpoints," according to the Guardian.

Naturally, all of this shines a new light on the two British SAS
operatives caught in Basra, driving around in a car loaded with
explosives and disguised as Arabs back in 2005.

Assassinating Irish civilians was part and parcel of "an intelligence
operation which had been sanctioned at the highest levels of the
British Army and the British Security Service, MI5," according to Ed
Moloney, writing for the Sunday Tribune.

In addition to outright murder, British intelligence encouraged
torture. Robert Stevens describes the UDA as "a fascistic, loyalist
paramilitary organization," infamous for running death squads.

Sunday Telegraph documents "confirm that as the UDA's primary
intelligence officer Brian Nelson passed on the names, photographs and
addresses of suspected IRA members from Army Intelligence records to
UDA gunmen and that he carried out assassinations under army
direction." Patrick Finucane was apparently murdered by a FRU
sanctioned death squad. The Belfast solicitor was gunned down before
his wife and children.

"Beginning in the 1980s the highly secretive FRU was sent into
Northern Ireland to recruit and train double agents to work inside the
paramilitary groups," writes Michael S. Rose. "The FRU combated IRA
terrorism by the use of paid informers, blackmail, ambushes, and other
methods not approved by the Geneva Convention. In the worst case,
British officers decided that in cases when it would be difficult to
bring suspected IRA terrorists to justice by legitimate means, the FRU
would enlist outlawed guerilla groups that possessed both the desire
and the means to murder the IRA men. According to Stevens Three, the
FRU assisted Protestant terrorists in carrying out what were, in
effect, proxy assassinations of Catholics. In order to forge such
alliances, the British officers had to overlook the fact that the
interests of the Protestant death squads were not those of the United
Kingdom and its government."

In Iraq, the "JSG is the coalition's secret weapon," a defense source
told the Telegraph. "Their job is to recruit and run covert human
intelligence sources or agents-we never use the term informer. The
Americans are in awe of the unit because they have nothing like them
within their military."
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  The only reason any Jew would go to Israel, is because of the
freebies they get. Aside from thousands of dollars in "resettlement
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    US Iraqi Genocide is associated with 1 MILLION post-invasion
excess deaths and constitues an Iraqi Holocaust. However Mainstream
media notoriously IGNORE the horrendous ACTUALITY of the carnage in
Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan where the post-invasion excess
deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not have to happen) now
total 1.0 MILLION and 2.2 MILLION, respectively (see: http://
mwcnews.net/Gideon-Polya and specifically: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ and http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ).

    It is nearly the Fourth Anniversary of the illegal Anglo-American-
Australian-Coalition invasion of Iraq. As of February 2007, a) the
accrual cost has been $2.3 TRILLION; (b) there are 3.7 million Iraqi
refugees; (c) the post-invasion excess deaths total 1.0 million (ONE
MILLION); and (d) there were 1.7 million excess Iraqi deaths
associated with the Western-imposed 1990-2003 Sanctions War (see:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ). These horrifying
estimates from authoritative sources are amplified and documented
below.

    (a) ECONOMIC COST TO USA. The accrual cost of the Iraq War (i.e.
the total, long-term committed cost, not just the Congressional
allocation as measured by "cost accounting") is $2.3 trillion
according to the 2001 Economics Nobel Laureate US Professor Joseph
Stiglitz (Columbia University) and his Harvard colleague Professor
Linda Bilmes (see: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
article15499.htm ).

    (b) IRAQI REFUGEES. The number of Iraqi refugees now total 3.7
million - 2.0 million outside Iraq and 1.7 million inside Iraq - and
UNHCR predicts that there will be up to 2.3 million internally
displaced people within Iraq by the end of this year. (see: http://
www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1986147,00.html ).

    (c) POST-INVASION IRAQI EXCESS DEATHS. In October 2006 an estimate
of "655,000 post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq as of July
2006" came from a top medical epidemiology research team in America's
(and the World's) top Public Health Department at a top US university
(Johns Hopkins) and was published peer-reviewed in a top medical
journal (The Lancet) and endorsed by 27 top Australian medical experts
in the area (see: MWC News: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/
12163/42/ ; http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ and http://
mwcnews.net/content/view/11293/42/ ).

    Consider the following estimate from the Johns Hopkins medical
scientists of "annual death rate per 1,000 of population" of 13.3
(post-invasion Iraq) as compared to (a) 5.5 (for pre-invasion Iraq
after 12 years of crippling Sanctions) and (b) 4.0 (for Iraq's
resource-poor but peaceful neighbours Syria and Jordan; UN Population
Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The "post-invasion excess death rate/1000 of population" was 13.3
- 5.5 = 7.8 (Comparison A) or 13.3 - 4.0 = 9.3 (Comparison B).
Assuming an average population of 27 million, the "post-invasion
excess deaths" total (over 4 years i.e. as of February 2007) (A) 7.8 x
2,700 x 4 = 842,000 and (B) 9.3 x 2,700 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. ONE
MILLION.

    (d) SANCTIONS WAR EXCESS DEATHS (1990-2003). Excess deaths in Iraq
during the 1990-2003 Sanctions War totalled 1.7 million; under-5
infant deaths in Iraq in this period totalled 1.2 million (from UN
Population Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The carnage in Iraq constitutes a US-driven Iraqi Genocide
(Genocide as clearly defined by Article II subsections (a) -(d) of the
Internationally-agreed UN Genocide Convention:
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm ) and an Iraqi
Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million
victims and the WW2 Bengali Holocaust in British-occupied India (4
million victims); most of the victims have been Women and Children;
and the carnage is largely due to gross, war criminal Occupier
violation of the Geneva Conventions which demand that Occupiers do
everything within their power to keep their Conquered Subjects ALIVE
(see Articles 55 and 56 in particular of the Geneva Conventions
relating to civilians: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm ).

    After 4 years of illegal, violent Occupation the post-invasion
excess deaths in Occupied Iraq total ONE MILLION (from UN Population
Division and medical literature data as outlined above). Taken
together with 1.7 million excess deaths in the 1990-2003 Sanctions War
(UN Population Division) and 3.7 million Iraqi refugees (UNHCR), this
constitutes an Iraqi Genocide (as defined by the UN Genocide
Convention) and an Iraqi Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish
Holocaust (5-6 million victims) and the "forgotten" WW2 British-caused
WW2 Bengali Holocaust (4 million victims). The Iraqi under-5 infant
deaths (1990-2007) now total 1.8 million, 90% having been avoidable
and due to Western war crimes. Total Iraqi excess deaths (1990-2007)
total 2.7 million. The post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied
Afghanistan now total 2.2 million (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ ).

    Three quarters of the people of Occupied Iraq and Occupied
Afghanistan are Women and Children - the Bush War on Terror is in
horrible reality a cowardly War on Women and Children, a War on Asian
Women and Children and a War on Muslim Women and Children.

    What should decent Americans do about the on-going Iraqi Genocide
or Iraqi Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Genocide or Afghan
Holocaust?

    Peace is the only way but silence kills and silence is complicity.
Decent AMERICANS - indeed all decent human beings- are morally
obliged to (a) INFORM OTHERS about this carnage (lying, racist
Mainstream media won't) and (b) ACT ETHICALLY in all their personal
and business dealings with those complicit in this continuing atrocity
e.g. DO NOT VOTE FOR those responsible for the on-going Iraqi
Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Holocaust.

    Ordinary GERMANS claimed in 1945 that they "didn't know" about the
Holocaust. Notwithstanding the racism, lying and holocaust-ignoring of
Mainstream media, AMERICANS (and Brits and Australians) do NOT have
the same excuse - the awful truth is only a few mouse-clicks away.
Thus inspection of the UNICEF site (see: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/index.html
) will inform that 0.5 million under-5 year old children die each year
in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories i.e. 1,300 each day, ONE
PER MINUTE - this being largely due to gross Occupier violation of the
Geneva Conventions that demand that the Occupier keeps its Conquered
Subjects ALIVE (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/11968/42/ ).

    Americans - and indeed any people - who KNOWINGLY ignore, deny,
excuse, minimize, obfuscate, advocate, support or effect gross abuses
of Women and Children (as in Iraq and Afghanistan) - or indeed of
anyone - have crossed the line separating decent humanity from
barbarism.

    Those primarily responsible for the carnage of the Iraqi Holocaust
and the Afghan Holocaust - Bush, Blair, Dr Rice (Dr Death) and their
Coalition and NATO confreres should be arraigned and tried before the
International Criminal Court.

more on Iraqi Genocide , Iraqi Holocaust




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Now as a last resort the High Command has decided to drop few million
more lieflets to ask Taliban to surrender!  What a bloody circus!




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U.S. helicopters mistakenly killed at least five allied Kurdish
militiamen in the northern city of Mosul early Friday. The US military
also reported three more American soldiers killed in combat, pushing
the U.S. death toll to 33 in the first eight days of the month.



Officials said the Kurds died about midnight as they guarded a branch
of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, a political party led by Iraqi
President Jalal Talabani. The U.S. army said the strike was launched
after US ground forces spotted armed men in a bunker near a building
they thought was being used to make bombs for al-Qaeda in Iraq.


http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iraq/209455




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This is a common practice with ZioNazis to stage an attack on
prominent Zionists, in order to elicit sympathy for their "cause"!

SAN FRANCISCO - In a bizarre attack, a well-known author and Holocaust
scholar was dragged out of a San Francisco hotel elevator by an
apparent Holocaust denier who reportedly had been trailing him for
weeks.

Police escorted Elie Wiesel to San Francisco International Airport on
Feb. 1 after a man accosted Wiesel in the elevator at the Argent
Hotel, at 50 Third St., after Wiesel participated in a panel
discussion at a peace conference and before Wiesel was scheduled to
catch a flight back to New York.

Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author of more than 40 books,
including the memoir "Night," about his experiences at Auschwitz, won
the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. Last fall, the Boston University
professor was suggested as a possible replacement for Israeli
President Moshe Katsav, who faces sexual assault charges.

Police confirmed this week that the attack took place and that
officers escorted Wiesel to the airport following the attack.
According to police, the suspect accosted Wiesel in the hotel elevator
at around 6:30 p.m., saying he wanted to interview him. Wiesel said he
would do the interview in the lobby. That's when the attacker pulled
him out of the elevator, police reported.

In a posting Tuesday on the anti-Zionist Web site ZioPedia, a writer
using the name Eric Hunt takes credit for the attack: "After ensuring
no women would be traumatized by what I had to do (I had been trailing
Wiesel for weeks), I stopped the elevator at the sixth floor. I pulled
Wiesel out of the elevator. I said I wanted to interview him."

Wiesel grabbed at his chest and yelled for help, according to the
posting. "I told him, 'Why don't you want people to know the truth?'
His expression changed, and he began screaming again. ..." the posting
reads.Police reported that the suspect tried to force Wiesel into one
of the rooms, but ran away when Wiesel started yelling.

The online posting states that the writer intended to "bring Wiesel to
my hotel room where he would truthfully answer my questions regarding
the fact that his non-fiction Holocaust memoir, Night, is almost
entirely fictitious." Later in the posting, the Holocaust is portrayed
as a "myth."

Police haven't officially idenitifed a suspect, but a source close to
the investigation said Eric Hunt is the focus of their probe. Wiesel
was in town to speak at the RockRose Institute's World Conference
2007, Facing Violence, which addressed justice, religion and conflict
resolution, according to its press release. The conference included
former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Juan Mendez, adviser
to the U.N. secretary-general, in its list of speakers.

In 2006, Oprah Winfrey honored Elie Wiesel and 50 high school students
who wrote about the relevance of his account of the Holocaust in
"Night."




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    WASHINGTON - Jimmy Carter has accused an international Jewish
human rights group of "falsehood and slander" for launching a petition
that resulted in thousands of signatures being sent to the former
president in protest of his controversial book about the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict.

    "I don't believe Simon Wiesenthal would have resorted to falsehood
and slander to raise funds," Carter wrote last month in a handwritten
letter to the head of the human rights center that bears the name of
the late Holocaust survivor and Nazi hunter. The petition does not
require payment to be sent, though Carter's letter suggests it is
being used as a fundraising tool.

    "I believe that Simon Wiesenthal would have been as outraged by
your book, 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,' as I was," Rabbi Marvin
Hier, dean and founder of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal
Center, wrote in a Feb. 2 response to Carter.

The UberJews like the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal are the ones who have
made their own people the subject of attack for generations.

This time, they thought they were safe from all criticism because of
their media control.

Now they have overplayed their hand with the smear campaign against
President Carter, giving everyone a glimpse at the levers of power
weilded by the Zionofascists.

They are panicking because they are aware of their own criminality and
the fate that will justly befall them when their wall of lies
crumbles.

Facilitating genocide and wars that threaten the world are some of the
charges against them.

The tide is beginning to turn on this cabal that infests governments
world-wide.




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Finally Germans are awaking from deep slumber, and forming to oppose
the ZioNazi takeover of the world!




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I just got this link from a friend in another forum:

Watch :


US soldiers insulting and taunting little hungry Iraqi kids, asking
them :

"You fuck donkeys, right ? Donkey. Hey you fuck donkeys right ? "

The Iraqi kids of course don t know what the US soldier says, but seem
to believe that the soldier is asking them something good - and answer
with "yes".

US soldier:

"Yeah ! Y'fucked a donkey. Are they good, he ? You're a donkey,
right ? Yes, Donkey-fucker. Ah Donkey-fucker, alright ! "

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52d7e3cd11




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Dead Men Walking

by Karen Kwiatkowski, Ph.D., Lt. Col. USAF (ret.)

Without a doubt, George W. Bush is a lame duck with an even lamer
foreign policy. We may well call from our own cells "Dead man
walking!' Yet, just as the late Saddam Hussein, Bush remains publicly
defiant, the model of a patriotic strongman in a time of national
calamity.

As with the late Saddam Hussein, the national calamity Bush addresses
- our Middle East militarism - is entirely of his own making. As with
the late Saddam Hussein, Bush fancies himself a strategic genius with
an under-appreciated political vision. As with the late Saddam
Hussein, the number of his devotees has long dwindled, with those
remaining faithful tending to do so for tradition rather than
principle.

In the fifty states, we grieve our more than three thousand dead
American troops, our 400 or so dead American contractors, and our
50,000 physically and psychologically scarred Americans. Occupied Iraq
surely grieves its 650,000 dead Iraqis, its millions of wounded, its
25 to 40% unemployment rate, its lost oil revenues. It is abundantly
clear that these Iraqi deaths and economic crimes are not the result
of Saddam Hussein's leadership. This fact is not missed by either
average Americans or Iraqis.

We can certainly understand why our pimped out and bitch-slapped Iraqi
Prime minister Nouri Maliki wants to quit. We wonder at the barely
suppressed rage of George H.W. Bush and his team as their compromise
path to save the presidency for Jeb - if not salvage what's left of
the U.S. Army - is tasted and then quickly spat out by baby Bush. We
are amazed that the tinpot politics of the strutter-in-chief and his
replacement of occupation-hardened Army leaders in Iraq by uniformed
apparatchiks who promise more genuflecting death and destruction for
the glory of the king.

Americans, through elections, polling, activism, lawsuits and personal
sacrifice, have shifted their opinion of the war in Iraq, and now
overwhelmingly reject the Bush Middle East militarism. At this point,
even if we could agree that the goal was really permanent bases in the
heart of the Middle East, a regional Sunni political implosion,
shattered Iraqi society, and escalated economic and military
aggression towards Israel's arch enemy and China's future energy
provider - we would still sadly have to agree that it didn't work out,
and it has been neither lawful, successful nor worth the cost.

Even cheerleading neoconservatives simper that the "war' wasn't
conducted properly, with enough commitment, or appropriate enthusiasm.
For them, the applicable maxim isn't "pride goeth before a fall,' but
the New Testament parable of the tares and the wheat. They see the
field, after all their hard work, contaminated by weeds, made ugly,
unprofitable, even embarrassing. They say, "An enemy hath done this,'
unable to recognize their own handiwork.

Yet, the dead men continue to walk. Bush's New strategy for Iraq will
be unveiled soon, and will almost certainly include more dead men and
women on all sides. In Bush's final two lame duck years, in spite of a
somewhat resistant Congress and an angry American public, he will be
able to achieve at least as many dead Americans in Iraq as he has
since 2003. We haven't even mentioned dead Americans in the Afghan
front against Iran, or the utter catastrophe that is post-invasion
Afghanistan. Bush is lame indeed, but in a very real way, he will
manage to continue the mayhem in the Middle East through inertia, if
not by design.

The challenge is to shift the dynamic here at home, in our own
prisonhouse of misplaced faith in government, our own illusions of
goodness where instead there is only the now-metasticized military-
industrial-congressional complex described by President Dwight D.
Eisenhower nearly fifty years ago. Three generations since then, and
maybe more, have disregarded, or perhaps never understood what we were
paying for, in treasure and in constitutional principle.

To imagine freedom from our current foreign policy imbroglio, we step
into dangerous territory. It is estimated that 60 million American
voters have a financial stake in the military-industrial complex, not
counting those who invest in the many American companies that rely on
militarism abroad and at home to provide shareholder dividends. As we
contemplate a draft, we forget that we really and truly don't need
one. Undereducated and underemployed young people may complain, but
they don't really count. Increasingly, college students are willing to
take any paying job, including one offered in the name of "service'
and patriotism. Their parents and grandparents will accept the draft
as well, in the name of that societal restructure that Eisenhower
warned against, and has now become the norm.

Thus, the dead man walking is not just our increasingly confused and
cartoonish Mr. Bush. We see dead men walking in the discredited
Republican party, once valued for both fiscal restraint and political
seriousness. We find them in the United States Army, and in nearly
every office of the E-ring of the Pentagon. We see dead men walking as
we watch the young men and women who have been sent to the Middle East
to spread "democracy' at the point of the gun, to occupy in a land
that will never accept our occupation, and doesn't need it. Finally,
here at home, many Americans who otherwise would stand up and act to
reject their government instead cower. Because for all of our
understanding of the farce, and our recognition of the cure - leaving
Iraq immediately - too many Americans live paycheck to paycheck,
burdened by personal and national debt - to the tune of $440,000 for
every American household. At least 60 million of us truly believe we
need that Department of Defense paycheck, that military contract, that
service-sector job that sucks greedily at the military-industrial
teat.

Thus, Americans of all parties seem to be nastily cheering George W.
Bush as he marches into the valley of the shadow of death, fearing no
evil and intending even more murder, more destruction, more breaking
of banks and breaking of hearts. Better him than us, we mutter. But we
are all dead men walking.

LINK




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WHO HAS KILLED FIVE TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN SADDAM EVER DID!

There is a serial killer living in the White House. He has spent the
past six years successfully plotting the deaths of thousands upon
thousands of people. Like others who kill without conscience, he
remains unmoved by the ongoing bloodshed and destruction he has
caused. And now, he is about to do it again.

Someone has to stop George W. Bush before he kills more!

Serial killers sometimes respond to inner voices telling them what to
do. George Bush gets personal messages from his God and PNAC. His wars
with Afghanistan and Iraq were planned and orchestrated by the war
profiteers and ideologues who placed him into office in 2000. The
regional chaos they needed to justify American military action in the
region is going according to plan, and now the next stage is ready for
launching. Any day now, the Bush Doctrine will be used to justify a
killing machine that is gearing to attack Iran.

Someone has to stop him before he triggers a final Armageddon.

At TvNewsLIES.org, we believed this might happen before the last
midterm election. We saw the handwriting on the proverbial wall, but
were a bit early in our prediction. Right now, especially because
George Bush is clearly denying that Iran is on his hit list, we are
convinced that the plans are already in motion.

Every major corporate media outlet is reporting that there is
'evidence' of Iran's role in supplying sophisticated weapons to the
Shia in Iraq, and in assisting in the killing of American troops.
We've all been there and done that. Not a shred of evidence supporting
those charges has been presented to the Congress or the public, but
the rhetoric gets louder and louder. Iran's nuclear capability is
touted as a threat to the US and the region, despite the reality that
any nuclear strike by any nation would result in its immediate
annihilation. Logic has been buried, and terror threats have once
again been broadcast to the public.

Someone has to stop him, and soon.

Dick Cheney, Chief Puppeteer and War Monger in the WH, recently stated
that the President does NOT have to listen to Congress or the people
of the nation. The Decider, it seems, can do whatever he pleases and
the rest of us be damned. He does NOT have to listen to anyone at all,
and that is becoming more and more obvious. This morning, three former
military leaders issued a dire warning to George W. Bush....and he is
not about to listen to them at all.

The letter was sent to the Sunday Times of London by retired Army Lt.
Gen. Robert Gard, a former military assistant to Defense Secretary
Robert McNamara, retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Hoar, a former
commander in chief of U.S. Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Adm.
Jack Shanahan, a former director of the Center for Defense
Information. These experienced and concerned officers warned that
attacking Iran "would have disastrous consequences for security in the
region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further exacerbate regional
and global tensions." They cautioned that "the current crisis must be
resolved through diplomacy," and they urged the President to "engage
immediately in direct talks with the government of Iran without
preconditions."

Did you hear about this on your network news today, or did you hear
discussion after discussion about Iran's role in aiding the insurgency
and the danger of its nuclear program?

The fears of these three men, like the advice of the Baker-Hamilton
Iraq Group, are being ignored - as were the voices of those who warned
against the tragic and failed war against Iraq. Afghanistan, Iraq,
Iran and Syria all are on the PNAC hit list that would supposedly lead
to American military domination of the Middle East. The plans were set
in rapid motion when these madmen got their 'new Pearl Harbor' on
September 11th, 2001. And here they go again.

The serial killer we know as George W. Bush was installed in the White
House to do exactly what he is doing now. He is on the loose and about
to strike again.

He has to be stopped before he kills more. He has to be stopped
quickly and legally.

Whatever that takes.




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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm




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The mainstream media is apparently as lifeless as the 80 Iraqi
civilians, murdered by today's mysterious detonating food truck. How
else to explain their reporting that "insurgents" desire to kill as
many of their own people as they can. Can it be possible that the
person who penned this report really did not stop at that point and
thin to him or herself: "hmmm... but aren't the 'insurgents' those
members of Iraqi society that have taken up arms in order to expel the
invading American army? Isn't their very existence justified only by
the presence of American troops in their country? Why then would they
want to kill as many Iraqi civilians - their own people whose support
constitutes the lifeblood of the resistance - as possible?" Perhaps he
or she did, but then just shrugged and said, "who cares, it's not my
job to think."

Anyway, back to the mysterious exploding food truck. We are meant to
believe that this was a "suicide bombing" because someone drove a
truck into a market and it exploded. Just like we are meant to believe
that every time an Israeli restaurant or bus blows up, it is the work
of a "Palestinian suicide bomber" simply because what appeared to be a
Palestinian happened to enter the restaurant or bus just before the
explosion.

I've presented this scenario before, and I'll give it here again
because it really is a concept that everyone should be able to grasp:

A two man Shin Bet (Israeli internal intelligence) team sneak up to a
fixed Falafel stand in Tel Aviv in the dead of night. They open the
doors to the storage area of the stand and attach 5kg of plastic
explosives to the top corner, way at the back. The close it up and
leave. The next morning they contact one of their informers, a
Palestinian youth, little more than 20 years old. Known to the
authorities, the youth enjoys free passage in and out of Israel. He is
told his handlers want to see him at 1pm that afternoon. The meeting
place is a Falafel stand in Tel Aviv. He is told to go and buy a
Falafel and wait for them to arrive. At 1pm he approaches the Falafel
stand. From a distance of 50 meters his two handlers are watching. As
he orders something, they push a button. Two hours later, news reports
are flying around the world of a new Palestinian suicide bombing in
Tel Aviv, at a Falafel stand no less, with lots of eyewitness to
testify that the explosion occurred when a Palestinian man approached
the stand.

In Iraq, the same tactics are being used. Here are two first hand
accounts of real events from last year:


    "A few days ago, an American manned check point confiscated the
driver license of a driver and told him to report to an American
military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to
retrieve his license. The next day, the driver did visit the camp and
he was allowed in the camp with his car. He was admitted to a room for
an interrogation that lasted half an hour. At the end of the session,
the American interrogator told him: "OK, there is nothing against you,
but you do know that Iraq is now sovereign and is in charge of its own
affairs. Hence, we have forwarded your papers and license to al-
Kadhimia police station for processing. Therefore, go there with this
clearance to reclaim your license. At the police station, ask for Lt.
Hussain Mohammed, who is waiting for you now. Go there now quickly,
before he leaves his shift work."

    The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a
feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he
also became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering
overhead, as if trailing him. He stopped the car and inspected it
carefully. He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the
back seat and along the two back doors.

    The only feasible explanation for this incident is that the car
was indeed booby trapped by the Americans and intended for the al-
Khadimiya Shiite district of Baghdad. The helicopter was monitoring
his movement and witnessing the anticipated "hideous attack by foreign
elements".

    The same scenario was repeated in Mosul, in the north of Iraq. A
car was confiscated along with the driver's license. He did follow up
on the matter and finally reclaimed his car but was told to go to a
police station to reclaim his license. Fortunately for him, the car
broke down on the way to the police station. The inspecting car
mechanic discovered that the spare tire was fully laden with
explosives.
    On May 13, 2005, a 64 years old Iraqi farmer, Haj Haidar Abu
Sijjad, took his tomato load in his pickup truck from Hilla to
Baghdad, accompanied by Ali, his 11 years old grandson. They were
stopped at an American check point and were asked to dismount. An
American soldier climbed on the back of the pickup truck, followed by
another a few minutes later, and thoroughly inspected the tomato
filled plastic containers for about 10 minutes. Haj Haidar and his
grandson were then allowed to proceed to Baghdad.

    A minute later, his grandson told him that he saw one of the
American soldiers putting a grey melon size object in the back among
the tomato containers. The Haj immediately slammed on the brakes and
stopped the car at the side of the road, at a relatively far distance
>from the check point. He found a time bomb with the clock ticking
tucked among his tomatoes. He immediately recognized it, as he was an
ex-army soldier. Panicking, he grabbed his grandson and ran away from
the car. Then, realizing that the car was his only means of work, he
went back, took the bomb and carried it in fear. He threw it in a deep
ditch by the side of the road that was dug by Iraqi soldiers in
preparation for the war, two years ago.

    Upon returning from Baghdad, he found out that the bomb had indeed
exploded, killing three sheep and injuring their shepherd in his head.
He thanked God for giving him the courage to go back and remove the
bomb, and for the luck in that the American soldiers did not notice
his sudden stop at a distance and his getting rid of the bomb.

    "They intended it to explode in Baghdad and claim that it is the
work of the 'terrorists', or 'insurgents' or who call themselves the
'Resistance'.

    I decided to expose them and asked your reporter to take me to
Baghdad to tell you the story. They are to be exposed as they now want
to sow strife in Iraq and taint the Resistance after failing to defeat
it militarily. Do not forget to mention my name. I fear nobody but
God, as I am a follower of Muqtada al-Sadir."

Add to that the following:

    Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq

    Julian Borger in Washington
    Tuesday December 9, 2003
    Guardian

    Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive
counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of
assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and
military sources said yesterday.

And then this from the UK Independent's Robert Fisk:

    Unknown Americans Are Provoking Civil War In Iraq

    The Americans, my interlocutor suspected, are trying to provoke an
Iraqi civil war so that Sunni Muslim insurgents spend their energies
killing their Shia co-religionists rather than soldiers of the Western
occupation forces... "One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained
by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of
his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They
said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a
mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque
and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile
signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal.
Then his car blew up."
    Impossible, I think to myself. But then I remember how many times
Iraqis in Baghdad have told me similar stories.

And we begin to get a very different picture and understanding of what
is happening in Iraq, Israel and many other places.




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What Christians Don't Know About Israel
by Grace Halsell

American Jews sympathetic to Israel dominate key positions in all 
areas of our government where decisions are made regarding the Middle 
East. This being the case, is there any hope of ever changing U.S. 
policy? American Presidents as well as most members of Congress 
support Israel - and they know why. U.S. Jews sympathetic to Israel 
donate lavishly to their campaign coffers. .

The answer to achieving an even-handed Middle East policy might lie 
elsewhere-among those who support Israel but don't really know why. 
This group is the vast majority of Americans. They are well-meaning, 
fair-minded Christians who feel bonded to Israel - and Zionism - often 
>from atavistic feelings, in some cases dating from childhood.

I am one of those. I grew up listening to stories of a mystical, 
allegorical, spiritual Israel. This was before a modern political 
entity with the same name appeared on our maps. I attended Sunday 
School and watched an instructor draw down window- type shades to show 
maps of the Holy Land. I imbibed stories of a Good and Chosen people 
who fought against their Bad "unChosen" enemies.

In my early 20s, I began traveling the world, earning my living as a 
writer. I came to the subject of the Middle East rather late in my 
career. I was sadly lacking in knowledge regarding the area. About all 
I knew was what I had learned in Sunday School.

And typical of many U.S. Christians, I somehow considered a modern 
state created in 1948 as a homeland for Jews persecuted under the 
Nazis as a replica of the spiritual, mystical Israel I heard about as 
a child. When in 1979 I initially went to Jerusalem, I planned to 
write about the three great monotheistic religions and leave out 
politics. "Not write about politics?" scoffed one Palestinian, smoking 
a waterpipe in the Old Walled City. "We eat politics, morning, noon 
and night!"

As I would learn, the politics is about land, and the co-claimants to 
that land: the indigenous Palestinians who have lived there for 2,000 
years and the Jews who started arriving in large numbers after the 
Second World War. By living among Israeli Jews as well as Palestinian 
Christians and Muslims, I saw, heard, smelled, experienced the police 
state tactics Israelis use against Palestinians.

My research led to a book entitled Journey to Jerusalem. My journey 
not only was enlightening to me as regards Israel, but also I came to 
a deeper, and sadder, understanding of my own country. I say sadder 
understanding because I began to see that, in Middle East politics, we 
the people are not making the decisions, but rather that supporters of 
Israel are doing so. And typical of most Americans, I tended to think 
the U.S. media was "free" to print news impartially.

"It shouldn't be published. It's anti-Israel."
In the late 1970s, when I first went to Jerusalem, I was unaware that 
editors could and would classify "news" depending on who was doing 
what to whom. On my initial visit to Israel-Palestine, I had 
interviewed dozens of young Palestinian men. About one in four related 
stories of torture.

Israeli police had come in the night, dragged them from their beds and 
placed hoods over their heads. Then in jails the Israelis had kept 
them in isolation, besieged them with loud, incessant noises, hung 
them upside down and had sadistically mutilated their genitals. I had 
not read such stories in the U.S. media. Wasn't it news? Obviously, I 
naively thought, U.S. editors simply didn't know it was happening.

On a trip to Washington, DC, I hand-delivered a letter to Frank 
Mankiewicz, then head of the public radio station WETA. I explained I 
had taped interviews with Palestinians who had been brutally tortured. 
And I'd make them available to him. I got no reply. I made several 
phone calls. Eventually I was put through to a public relations 
person, a Ms. Cohen, who said my letter had been lost. I wrote again. 
In time I began to realize what I hadn't known: had it been Jews who 
were strung up and tortured, it would be news. But interviews with 
tortured Arabs were "lost" at WETA.

The process of getting my book Journey to Jerusalem published also was 
a learning experience. Bill Griffin, who signed a contract with me on 
behalf of MacMillan Publishing Company, was a former Roman Cath olic 
priest. He assured me that no one other than himself would edit the 
book. As I researched the book, making several trips to Israel and 
Palestine, I met frequently with Griffin, showing him sample chapters. 
"Terrific," he said of my material.

The day the book was scheduled to be published, I went to visit 
MacMillan's. Checking in at a reception desk, I spotted Griffin across 
a room, cleaning out his desk. His secretary Margie came to greet me. 
In tears, she whispered for me to meet her in the ladies room. When we 
were alone, she confided, "He's been fired." She indicated it was 
because he had signed a contract for a book that was sympathetic to 
Palestinians. Griffin, she said, had no time to see me.

Later, I met with another MacMillan official, William Curry. "I was 
told to take your manuscript to the Israeli Embassy, to let them read 
it for mistakes," he told me. "They were not pleased. They asked me, 
"You are not going to publish this book, are you?" I asked, "Were 
there mistakes?" "Not mistakes as such. But it shouldn't be published. 
It's anti-Israel."

Somehow, despite obstacles to prevent it, the presses had started 
rolling. After its publication in 1980,I was invited to speak in a 
number of churches. Christians generally reacted with disbelief. Back 
then, there was little or no coverage of Israeli land confiscation, 
demolition of Palestinian homes, wan ton arrests and torture of 
Palestinian civilians.

The Same Question
Speaking of these injustices, I invariably heard the same question, 
"How come I didn't know this?" Or someone might ask, "But I haven't 
read about that in my newspaper." To these church audiences, I related 
my own learning experience, that of seeing hordes of U.S. 
correspondents covering a relatively tiny state. I pointed out that I 
had not seen so many reporters in world capitals such as Beijing, 
Moscow, London, Tokyo, Paris. Why, I asked, did a small state with a 
1980 population of only four million warrant more reporters than 
China, with a billion people?

I also linked this query with my findings that The New York Times , 
The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post - and most of our 
nation's print media - are owned and/or controlled by Jews supportive 
of Israel. It was for this reason, I deduced, that they sent so many 
reporters to cover Israel - and to do so largely from the Israeli 
point of view.

My learning experiences also included coming to realize how easily I 
could lose a Jewish friend if I criticized the Jewish state. I could 
with impunity criticize France, England, Russia, even the United 
States. And any aspect of life in America. But not the Jewish state. I 
lost more Jewish friends than one after the publication of Journey to 
Jerusalem - all sad losses for me and one, perhaps, saddest of all.

In the 1960s and 1970s, before going to the Middle East, I had written 
about the plight of blacks in a book entitled Soul Sister, and the 
plight of American Indians in a book entitled Bessie Yellowhair, and 
the problems endured by undocumented workers crossing from Mexico in 
The Illegals. These books had come to the attention of the "mother" of 
The New York Times, Mrs. Arthur Hays Sulzberger.

Her father had started the newspaper, then her husband ran it, and in 
the years that I knew her, her son was the publisher. She invited me 
to her fashionable apartment on Fifth Avenue for lunches and dinner 
parties. And, on many occasions, I was a weekend guest at her 
Greenwich, Conn. home.

She was liberal-minded and praised my efforts to speak for the 
underdog, even going so far in one letter to say, "You are the most 
remarkable woman I ever knew." I had little concept that from being 
buoyed so high I could be dropped so suddenly when I discovered - from 
her point of view - the "wrong" underdog.

As it happened, I was a weekend guest in her spacious Connecticut home 
when she read bound galleys of Journey to Jerusalem. As I was leaving, 
she handed the galleys back with a saddened look: "My dear, have you 
forgotten the Holocaust?" She felt that what happened in Nazi Germany 
to Jews several decades earlier should silence any criticism of the 
Jewish state. She could focus on a holocaust of Jews while negating a 
modern day holocaust of Palestinians.

I realized, quite painfully, that our friendship was ending. Iphigene 
Sulzberger had not only invited me to her home to meet her famous 
friends but, also at her suggestion, The Times had requested articles. 
I wrote op-ed articles on various subjects including American blacks, 
American Indians as well as undocumented workers. Since Mrs. 
Sulzberger and other Jewish officials at the Times highly praised my 
efforts to help these groups of oppressed peoples, the dichotomy 
became apparent: most "liberal" U.S. Jews stand on the side of all 
poor and oppressed peoples save one - the Palestinians.

How handily these liberal Jewish opinion-molders tend to diminish the 
Palestinians, to make them invisible, or to categorize them all as 
"terrorists."

Interestingly, Iphigene Sulzberger had talked to me a great deal about 
her father, Adolph S. Ochs. She told me that he was not one of the 
early Zionists. He had not favored the creation of a Jewish state.

Yet, increasingly, American Jews have fallen victim to Zionism, a 
nationalistic movement that passes for many as a religion. While the 
ethical instructions of all great religions - including the teachings 
of Moses, Muhammad and Christ - stress that all human beings are 
equal, militant Zionists take the position that the killing of a non-
Jew does not count.

Over five decades now, Zionists have killed Palestinians with 
impunity. And in the 1996 shelling of a U.N. base in Qana, Lebanon, 
the Israelis killed more than 100 civilians sheltered there. As an 
Israeli journalist, Arieh Shavit, explains of the massacre, "We 
believe with absolute certitude that right now, with the White House 
in our hands, the Senate in our hands and The New York Times in our 
hands, the lives of others do not count the same way as our own."

Israelis today, explains the anti-Zionist Jew Israel Shahak, "are not 
basing their religion on the ethics of justice. They do not accept the 
Old Testament as it is written. Rather, religious Jews turn to the 
Talmud. For them, the Talmudic Jewish laws become "the Bible." And the 
Talmud teaches that a Jew can kill a non-Jew with impunity.

In the teachings of Christ, there was a break from such Talmudic 
teachings. He sought to heal the wounded, to comfort the downtrodden.

The danger, of course, for U.S. Christians is that having made an icon 
of Israel, we fall into a trap of condoning whatever Israel does - 
even wanton murder - as orchestrated by God.

Yet, I am not alone in suggesting that the churches in the United 
States represent the last major organized support for Palestinian 
rights. This imperative is due in part to our historic links to the 
Land of Christ and in part to the moral issues involved with having 
our tax dollars fund Israeli-government-approved violations of human 
rights.

While Israel and its dedicated U.S. Jewish supporters know they have 
the president and most of Congress in their hands, they worry about 
grassroots America - the well-meaning Christians who care for justice. 
Thus far, most Christians were unaware of what it was they didn't know 
about Israel. They were indoctrinated by U.S. supporters of Israel in 
their own country and when they traveled to the Land of Christ most 
all did so under Israeli sponsorship. That being the case, it was 
unlikely a Christian ever met a Palestinian or learned what caused the 
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

This is gradually changing, however. And this change disturbs the 
Israelis. As an example, delegates attending a Christian Sa beel 
conference in Bethlehem earlier this year said they were harassed by 
Israeli security at the Tel Aviv airport.

"They asked us," said one delegate, "Why did you use a Palestinian 
travel agency? Why didn't you use an Israeli agency?" The 
interrogation was so extensive and hostile that Sabeel leaders called 
a special session to brief the delegates on how to handle the 
harassment. Obviously, said one delegate, "The Israelis have a policy 
to discourage us from visiting the Holy Land except under their 
sponsorship. They don't want Christians to start learning all they 
have never known about Israel."

Grace Halsell is a Washington, DC-based writer and author of Journey 
to Jerusalem and Prophecy and Politics





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On Feb 10, 9:20 pm, atatur...@hotmail.com wrote:
>  ALAN DERSHOWITZ:
>
> > Israel is the only country in modern history that has
> > never deliberately and explicitly retaliated against those who attack
> > its civilian targets.
>
> No need to read any more. The old hate monger is not just a plagiarist
> but a bold faced liar. Israel constantly retaliates not only against
> those who attack its civilian targets but retaliates against millions
> of people who do no harm to it. How could he lie like that after the
> destruction of Lebanon? That guy is full of hate! I am going to puke
> if anyone tells me that people like that are Americans.
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!

You got that one on the head, pal! If you read any of his ZioNazi
propaganda you get the feel, that he speaks for the Caligula of the
world



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From: "Venceremos" 
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President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are
unwittingly playing Dr. Jack Kevorkian in helping the state of Israel
commit suicide. For this is the inevitable consequence of the planned
air and missile attack on Iran. The pockmarked, littered landscape in
Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan and the endless applicant queues at al-
Qaeda and other terrorist recruiting stations testify eloquently to
the unintended consequences of myopic policymakers in Washington and
Tel Aviv.

Mesmerized. Sadly, this is the best word to describe those of us awake
to the inexorable march of folly to war with Iran and the growing
danger to Israel's security, especially over the medium and long term.
An American and/or Israeli attack on Iran will let slip the dogs of
war. Those dogs never went to obedience school. They will not be
denied their chance to bite, and Israel's arsenal of nuclear weapons
will be powerless to muzzle them.

In my view, not since 1948 has the very existence of Israel hung so
much in the balance. Can Bush/Cheney and the Israeli leaders not see
it? Pity that no one seems to have read our first president's warning
on the noxious effects of entangling alliances. The supreme irony is
that in their fervor to help, as well as use, Israel, Bush and Cheney
seem blissfully unaware that they are leading it down a garden path
and off a cliff.

Bringing true democracy to the occupied Palestine might help save the
the  Jews who want to share the Land Of Shem, with Palestinians.



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On Feb 11, 7:45 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 11 Feb, 12:42, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are
> > unwittingly playing Dr. Jack Kevorkian in helping the state of Israel
> > commit suicide. For this is the inevitable consequence of the planned
> > air and missile attack on Iran. The pockmarked, littered landscape in
> > Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan and the endless applicant queues at al-
> > Qaeda and other terrorist recruiting stations testify eloquently to
> > the unintended consequences of myopic policymakers in Washington and
> > Tel Aviv.
>
> > Mesmerized. Sadly, this is the best word to describe those of us awake
> > to the inexorable march of folly to war with Iran and the growing
> > danger to Israel's security, especially over the medium and long term.
> > An American and/or Israeli attack on Iran will let slip the dogs of
> > war. Those dogs never went to obedience school. They will not be
> > denied their chance to bite, and Israel's arsenal of nuclear weapons
> > will be powerless to muzzle them.
>
> > In my view, not since 1948 has the very existence of Israel hung so
> > much in the balance. Can Bush/Cheney and the Israeli leaders not see
> > it? Pity that no one seems to have read our first president's warning
> > on the noxious effects of entangling alliances. The supreme irony is
> > that in their fervor to help, as well as use, Israel, Bush and Cheney
> > seem blissfully unaware that they are leading it down a garden path
> > and off a cliff.
>
> > Bringing true democracy to the occupied Palestine might help save the
> > the  Jews who want to share the Land Of Shem, with Palestinians.
>
> WELL THE ARABS NEVER ASKED FOR DEMOCRACY THEY GO ONLY AFTER DEATH!

AS IF ISRAEL HAS "DEMOCRACY" TO GIVE TO XOMEBODY!



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On Feb 11, 8:05 am, "patriot"  wrote:
> On 11 Feb, 12:58, "Venceremos"  wrote:
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>
>
> > On Feb 11, 7:45 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > On 11 Feb, 12:42, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are
> > > > unwittingly playing Dr. Jack Kevorkian in helping the state of Israel
> > > > commit suicide. For this is the inevitable consequence of the planned
> > > > air and missile attack on Iran. The pockmarked, littered landscape in
> > > > Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan and the endless applicant queues at al-
> > > > Qaeda and other terrorist recruiting stations testify eloquently to
> > > > the unintended consequences of myopic policymakers in Washington and
> > > > Tel Aviv.
>
> > > > Mesmerized. Sadly, this is the best word to describe those of us awake
> > > > to the inexorable march of folly to war with Iran and the growing
> > > > danger to Israel's security, especially over the medium and long term.
> > > > An American and/or Israeli attack on Iran will let slip the dogs of
> > > > war. Those dogs never went to obedience school. They will not be
> > > > denied their chance to bite, and Israel's arsenal of nuclear weapons
> > > > will be powerless to muzzle them.
>
> > > > In my view, not since 1948 has the very existence of Israel hung so
> > > > much in the balance. Can Bush/Cheney and the Israeli leaders not see
> > > > it? Pity that no one seems to have read our first president's warning
> > > > on the noxious effects of entangling alliances. The supreme irony is
> > > > that in their fervor to help, as well as use, Israel, Bush and Cheney
> > > > seem blissfully unaware that they are leading it down a garden path
> > > > and off a cliff.
>
> > > > Bringing true democracy to the occupied Palestine might help save the
> > > > the  Jews who want to share the Land Of Shem, with Palestinians.
>
> > > WELL THE ARABS NEVER ASKED FOR DEMOCRACY THEY GO ONLY AFTER DEATH!
>
> > AS IF ISRAEL HAS "DEMOCRACY" TO GIVE TO XOMEBODY!- Hide quoted text -
>
> SO EXPLAIN AS ALEX ABOUT ARABS DEMOCRATY IN: EGYPT,SAUDI,LEVANON,SYRIA
> WELL ALMOST EVERY ARAB COUNTRY?!

IN ENGLISH OR IN YIDDISH?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:07:06 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.russian
Subject: Re: HELPING ISRAEL DIE!
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On Feb 11, 2:04 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 11, 4:58 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 7:45 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > On 11 Feb, 12:42, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are
> > > > unwittingly playing Dr. Jack Kevorkian in helping the state of Israel
> > > > commit suicide. For this is the inevitable consequence of the planned
> > > > air and missile attack on Iran. The pockmarked, littered landscape in
> > > > Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan and the endless applicant queues at al-
> > > > Qaeda and other terrorist recruiting stations testify eloquently to
> > > > the unintended consequences of myopic policymakers in Washington and
> > > > Tel Aviv.
>
> > > > Mesmerized. Sadly, this is the best word to describe those of us awake
> > > > to the inexorable march of folly to war with Iran and the growing
> > > > danger to Israel's security, especially over the medium and long term.
> > > > An American and/or Israeli attack on Iran will let slip the dogs of
> > > > war. Those dogs never went to obedience school. They will not be
> > > > denied their chance to bite, and Israel's arsenal of nuclear weapons
> > > > will be powerless to muzzle them.
>
> > > > In my view, not since 1948 has the very existence of Israel hung so
> > > > much in the balance. Can Bush/Cheney and the Israeli leaders not see
> > > > it? Pity that no one seems to have read our first president's warning
> > > > on the noxious effects of entangling alliances. The supreme irony is
> > > > that in their fervor to help, as well as use, Israel, Bush and Cheney
> > > > seem blissfully unaware that they are leading it down a garden path
> > > > and off a cliff.
>
> > > > Bringing true democracy to the occupied Palestine might help save the
> > > > the  Jews who want to share the Land Of Shem, with Palestinians.
>
> > > WELL THE ARABS NEVER ASKED FOR DEMOCRACY THEY GO ONLY AFTER DEATH!
>
> > AS IF ISRAEL HAS "DEMOCRACY" TO GIVE TO XOMEBODY!
>
>    Israel is as much a democracy as Turkey.
>
>  Michael

AS IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER ONE OF THEM! FUCKING FOOL



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: way to make Aliyah
Date: 11 Feb 2007 13:46:39 -0800
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On Feb 11, 10:43 am, nus...@o2.pl wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to go to Israel with my boyfriend. We  get civil maried  this
> month and we must wait a year before making aliyah. Is there any other
> way to go to Israel early?
>
> --
> Regards
> AJ

EVER THOUGHT OF BUYING AN AIRLINE TICKET TO THE CESSPOOL?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: IF DONKEY MCVAY EVER WENT TO EUROPE..
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He would surely know how much love there is in Europe for the kikes
and their arse lickers like himself



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Anti-Semitism very much alive, says Livni - Lilach Shoval - YETNEWS
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On Feb 11, 2:54 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3363734,00.html
> Anti-Semitism very much alive, says Livni
>
> Foreign minister says
> Israel is under threat.
>
> 'Something must be done immediately,'
>
> she tells 160 Jewish leaders
> taking part in Jerusalem forum

THAT IS PRESUMING THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES, IN THE FIRST PLACE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Israel Can Not Be Recognized A Country Has Borders Israel Does Not
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On Feb 11, 6:30 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> > They still have not made their minds up about how much land to steal
> > from Egypt Jordan and Syria
>
> What a load of  rubbbish. Israel already has peace agreements with Jordan
> and Egypt.
You mean with Mubarek and King of Jordan!

> They have no intention whatsoever of taking land from them.They gave land
> back when the peace agreements were signed. (Sinai)
Gave it back to Egypt because it was Egyptian. Not because of any good
intent on the part of the Jews

> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com




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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish "Wailing Wall" built by ROMANS
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On Feb 12, 1:22 am, "Heinrich"  wrote:
> One of the most recognizable sights from antiquity is the wall surrounding
> the Temple Mount (Haram) in Jerusalem, part of which is known as the Western
> or Wailing Wall, the most sacred site of Jews.
>
> One of the great truisms of antiquity is that this wall was built by Herod
> and unlike many things that are taken for granted from the past, this
> contention remains unanimous, until now!!!!
>
> The wall is a massive and imposing sight 2,000 years supposedly after it was
> built. If one stands today on the Mount of Olives and looks out over
> Jerusalem one cannot be but impressed by its size and grandeur. It is
> IMPOSSIBLE to ignore. And yet .....
>
> The only eye-witness account of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus comes from
> that most controversial of historians Josephus who graphically describes the
> City and the Temple before and after its destruction by the Romans.
>
> Surely Josephus mentions that astounding wall with its massive stones
>
> more at:
>
> http://www.biblemysteries.com/lectures/builtwailingwall.htm

Actually, there are records of Abassid dynasty, rebuilding the wall in
order to provide support for a small cemetery above



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.taxes
Subject: Re: Mcvay/Nizkor Engaged in Illegal MONEY LAUNDERING! Proof!
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On Feb 12, 2:12 pm, Frank Arthur  wrote:
> Time for the Auditor-General of Canada to get the RCMP, and
> Interpol plus IRS and RICO onto McVay and his criminal money
> laundering activities.
>
> With Bnai Brith involved, and Harry Mazal in the USA, there
> must be many, many millions of dollars for the tax authorities
> to recover,including from those donors who supported all the
> criminality!!
>
> Links to Doc Tavish posts which give proof to McVay's criminality
> and money being laundered:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5e2047e8f5129b1a?f...
> Subject: Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
> Owned and Controlled by Jews   v3.0   U0221
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0600
> Message-ID: 
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1d1cf50fcc74cca7?fwc=1
> Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor
> Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds
> He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Reports are Further
> Proof! V5.0 U_0122
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 22 Jan 2006 09:24:36 GMT
>                   Two Companion pieces to the above:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
> (Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
> Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
> Archives and The Same Funding Lie by
> Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
> Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
> Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
> ------------------------------AND-------------------------------http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
> Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
> Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!)
> V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
> Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
> You All be the Judges!  V2-0
> Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5ib1f@4ax.com>
> Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
>   (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund
> should both be renamed the Kenneth McVay
> Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor
> Project is a web site solely operated
> by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence. McVay is
> the sole recipient and beneficiary of
> those two "bogus" funds!)
>   Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his
> defense of McVay; he's evidently getting some
> of that laundered money too as indicated here:http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
> Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken
> Lewis Benefitting from McVay's
> Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
> Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and
> Tax Scam  V2.0
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
>   (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and
> currently perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and
> Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which B'nai Brith launders exempt
> donations and passes them to McVay as
> tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive
> exempt donations. This is more or less a similar
> tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)
>
> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
> is a revolutionary act."
> (George Orwell)
>
> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
> "All truth passes through three stages.
> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
> and impossible to ignore."
> --John Bryant

My friends in Nanaimo tell me that McVay is just a piece of street
trash, where he is known as a Jewish arsewipe. The more you poke in
the garbage like Mc Vay the more it stinks



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On Feb 12, 12:57 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:51 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > He would surely know how much love there is in Europe for the kikes
> > and their arse lickers like himself
>
>    And if you went to Europe and told everyone what you know about the
> Holocaust, you would be in prison.
>
>  Michael

What an idiot! I went to Malaga Spain to a conference which pisses on
Jew Holofucks in August 2005. Thousands of people turned up most
especially from Germnay. You do not go to prison for declaring the
truth about the Jew lies, you go to prison for a writing a book
telling the world the truth.



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On Feb 12, 12:53 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 11, 6:52 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Feb 11, 6:30 pm, "Tilly"  wrote:> Venceremos wrote:
>
> > > > They still have not made their minds up about how much land to steal
> > > > from Egypt Jordan and Syria
>
> > > What a load of  rubbbish. Israel already has peace agreements with Jordan
> > > and Egypt.
>
> > You mean with Mubarek and King of Jordan!
>
>    Well, they DID rule those countries at the time?
>
>    Whom should they have made peace agreements with instead? Michael
> Jackson?
>
>  Michael

Peace with puppets means absolutely nothing. We made Diem our puppet
in Vietnam. I believe he croaked in Montreal in a dingy apartment!



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Someone who stays and defends his country and people

                                 OR

Someone who invades another country and murders a million people in
the process?




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On Feb 12, 2:12 pm, Frank Arthur  wrote:
> Time for the Auditor-General of Canada to get the RCMP, and
> Interpol plus IRS and RICO onto McVay and his criminal money
> laundering activities.
>
> With Bnai Brith involved, and Harry Mazal in the USA, there
> must be many, many millions of dollars for the tax authorities
> to recover,including from those donors who supported all the
> criminality!!
>
> Links to Doc Tavish posts which give proof to McVay's criminality
> and money being laundered:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5e2047e8f5129b1a?f...
> Subject: Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
> Owned and Controlled by Jews   v3.0   U0221
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0600
> Message-ID: 
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1d1cf50fcc74cca7?fwc=1
> Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor
> Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds
> He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Reports are Further
> Proof! V5.0 U_0122
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 22 Jan 2006 09:24:36 GMT
>                   Two Companion pieces to the above:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
> (Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
> Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
> Archives and The Same Funding Lie by
> Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
> Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
> Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
> ------------------------------AND-------------------------------http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
> Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
> Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!)
> V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
> Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
> You All be the Judges!  V2-0
> Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5ib1f@4ax.com>
> Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
>   (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund
> should both be renamed the Kenneth McVay
> Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor
> Project is a web site solely operated
> by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence. McVay is
> the sole recipient and beneficiary of
> those two "bogus" funds!)
>   Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his
> defense of McVay; he's evidently getting some
> of that laundered money too as indicated here:http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
> Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken
> Lewis Benefitting from McVay's
> Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
> Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and
> Tax Scam  V2.0
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
>   (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and
> currently perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and
> Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which B'nai Brith launders exempt
> donations and passes them to McVay as
> tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive
> exempt donations. This is more or less a similar
> tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)
>
> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
> is a revolutionary act."
> (George Orwell)
>
> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
> "All truth passes through three stages.
> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
> and impossible to ignore."
> --John Bryant

My friends in Nanaimo tell me that McVay is just a piece of street
trash, where he is known as a Jewish arsewipe. The more you poke in
the garbage like Mc Vay the more it stinks




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On Feb 12, 12:39 pm, "reporter01"  wrote:
> On Feb 11, 7:04 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE BOMBED BY IRAN!
>
> > >From correspondents in Tehran
>
> > February 11, 2007 07:31pm
> > Article from: Agence France-Presse-
>
> > IRAN has built "suicide" drones capable of attacking US naval ships
>
> Iran is about 3/4 full of evil muslims.
> It's not a good idea to just let them live.

ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING FOR THE TASK OF FIGHTING IRAN ARSEHOLE?




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U.S. forces kill American worker in Iraq




BAGHDAD (AP) - U.S. forces shot and killed a civilian contract truck
driver at Camp Anaconda, a huge air base north of Baghdad, the
military said Saturday.
Lt. Cmdr. Bill Speaks said in Baghdad that the death Monday resulted
>from "an escalation of force incident," which typically means a driver
approaching a checkpoint did not respond to military orders to
approach slowly and stop.

Speaks did not identify the dead contractor.

Melissa Norcross, a spokeswoman for KBR, a contracting subsidiary of
Halliburton formerly known as Kellogg, Brown & Root, said the shooting
was under investigation and the company would not release the name of
the driver or a second person in the truck who was wounded in the
shooting.

The Walker-Martin Funeral Home in Chesaning, Mich., posted an obituary
on its website Saturday saying that a man named Donald Tolfree of
nearby Owosso, Mich., had been killed Monday in Balad, Iraq, where he
was employed as a civilian contractor.

Camp Anaconda is located near Balad, about 50 miles north of Baghdad.

Norcross said in an e-mail that 98 KBR employees and subcontractors
have been killed and 430 have been wounded in Iraq, Afghanistan and
Kuwait.

Halliburton is spinning off KBR into its own separate, publicly traded
entity.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-02-10-driver-shot_x.htm




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Dead Men Walking

by Karen Kwiatkowski, Ph.D., Lt. Col. USAF (ret.)

Without a doubt, George W. Bush is a lame duck with an even lamer
foreign policy. We may well call from our own cells "Dead man
walking!' Yet, just as the late Saddam Hussein, Bush remains publicly
defiant, the model of a patriotic strongman in a time of national
calamity.

As with the late Saddam Hussein, the national calamity Bush addresses
- our Middle East militarism - is entirely of his own making. As with
the late Saddam Hussein, Bush fancies himself a strategic genius with
an under-appreciated political vision. As with the late Saddam
Hussein, the number of his devotees has long dwindled, with those
remaining faithful tending to do so for tradition rather than
principle.

In the fifty states, we grieve our more than three thousand dead
American troops, our 400 or so dead American contractors, and our
50,000 physically and psychologically scarred Americans. Occupied Iraq
surely grieves its 650,000 dead Iraqis, its millions of wounded, its
25 to 40% unemployment rate, its lost oil revenues. It is abundantly
clear that these Iraqi deaths and economic crimes are not the result
of Saddam Hussein's leadership. This fact is not missed by either
average Americans or Iraqis.

We can certainly understand why our pimped out and bitch-slapped Iraqi
Prime minister Nouri Maliki wants to quit. We wonder at the barely
suppressed rage of George H.W. Bush and his team as their compromise
path to save the presidency for Jeb - if not salvage what's left of
the U.S. Army - is tasted and then quickly spat out by baby Bush. We
are amazed that the tinpot politics of the strutter-in-chief and his
replacement of occupation-hardened Army leaders in Iraq by uniformed
apparatchiks who promise more genuflecting death and destruction for
the glory of the king.

Americans, through elections, polling, activism, lawsuits and personal
sacrifice, have shifted their opinion of the war in Iraq, and now
overwhelmingly reject the Bush Middle East militarism. At this point,
even if we could agree that the goal was really permanent bases in the
heart of the Middle East, a regional Sunni political implosion,
shattered Iraqi society, and escalated economic and military
aggression towards Israel's arch enemy and China's future energy
provider - we would still sadly have to agree that it didn't work out,
and it has been neither lawful, successful nor worth the cost.

Even cheerleading neoconservatives simper that the "war' wasn't
conducted properly, with enough commitment, or appropriate enthusiasm.
For them, the applicable maxim isn't "pride goeth before a fall,' but
the New Testament parable of the tares and the wheat. They see the
field, after all their hard work, contaminated by weeds, made ugly,
unprofitable, even embarrassing. They say, "An enemy hath done this,'
unable to recognize their own handiwork.

Yet, the dead men continue to walk. Bush's New strategy for Iraq will
be unveiled soon, and will almost certainly include more dead men and
women on all sides. In Bush's final two lame duck years, in spite of a
somewhat resistant Congress and an angry American public, he will be
able to achieve at least as many dead Americans in Iraq as he has
since 2003. We haven't even mentioned dead Americans in the Afghan
front against Iran, or the utter catastrophe that is post-invasion
Afghanistan. Bush is lame indeed, but in a very real way, he will
manage to continue the mayhem in the Middle East through inertia, if
not by design.

The challenge is to shift the dynamic here at home, in our own
prisonhouse of misplaced faith in government, our own illusions of
goodness where instead there is only the now-metasticized military-
industrial-congressional complex described by President Dwight D.
Eisenhower nearly fifty years ago. Three generations since then, and
maybe more, have disregarded, or perhaps never understood what we were
paying for, in treasure and in constitutional principle.

To imagine freedom from our current foreign policy imbroglio, we step
into dangerous territory. It is estimated that 60 million American
voters have a financial stake in the military-industrial complex, not
counting those who invest in the many American companies that rely on
militarism abroad and at home to provide shareholder dividends. As we
contemplate a draft, we forget that we really and truly don't need
one. Undereducated and underemployed young people may complain, but
they don't really count. Increasingly, college students are willing to
take any paying job, including one offered in the name of "service'
and patriotism. Their parents and grandparents will accept the draft
as well, in the name of that societal restructure that Eisenhower
warned against, and has now become the norm.

Thus, the dead man walking is not just our increasingly confused and
cartoonish Mr. Bush. We see dead men walking in the discredited
Republican party, once valued for both fiscal restraint and political
seriousness. We find them in the United States Army, and in nearly
every office of the E-ring of the Pentagon. We see dead men walking as
we watch the young men and women who have been sent to the Middle East
to spread "democracy' at the point of the gun, to occupy in a land
that will never accept our occupation, and doesn't need it. Finally,
here at home, many Americans who otherwise would stand up and act to
reject their government instead cower. Because for all of our
understanding of the farce, and our recognition of the cure - leaving
Iraq immediately - too many Americans live paycheck to paycheck,
burdened by personal and national debt - to the tune of $440,000 for
every American household. At least 60 million of us truly believe we
need that Department of Defense paycheck, that military contract, that
service-sector job that sucks greedily at the military-industrial
teat.

Thus, Americans of all parties seem to be nastily cheering George W.
Bush as he marches into the valley of the shadow of death, fearing no
evil and intending even more murder, more destruction, more breaking
of banks and breaking of hearts. Better him than us, we mutter. But we
are all dead men walking.

LINK





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I just got this link from a friend in another forum:

Watch :


US soldiers insulting and taunting little hungry Iraqi kids, asking
them :

"You fuck donkeys, right ? Donkey. Hey you fuck donkeys right ? "

The Iraqi kids of course don t know what the US soldier says, but seem
to believe that the soldier is asking them something good - and answer
with "yes".

US soldier:

"Yeah ! Y'fucked a donkey. Are they good, he ? You're a donkey,
right ? Yes, Donkey-fucker. Ah Donkey-fucker, alright ! "

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52d7e3cd11





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What Christians Don't Know About Israel
by Grace Halsell

American Jews sympathetic to Israel dominate key positions in all 
areas of our government where decisions are made regarding the Middle 
East. This being the case, is there any hope of ever changing U.S. 
policy? American Presidents as well as most members of Congress 
support Israel - and they know why. U.S. Jews sympathetic to Israel 
donate lavishly to their campaign coffers. .

The answer to achieving an even-handed Middle East policy might lie 
elsewhere-among those who support Israel but don't really know why. 
This group is the vast majority of Americans. They are well-meaning, 
fair-minded Christians who feel bonded to Israel - and Zionism - often 
>from atavistic feelings, in some cases dating from childhood.

I am one of those. I grew up listening to stories of a mystical, 
allegorical, spiritual Israel. This was before a modern political 
entity with the same name appeared on our maps. I attended Sunday 
School and watched an instructor draw down window- type shades to show 
maps of the Holy Land. I imbibed stories of a Good and Chosen people 
who fought against their Bad "unChosen" enemies.

In my early 20s, I began traveling the world, earning my living as a 
writer. I came to the subject of the Middle East rather late in my 
career. I was sadly lacking in knowledge regarding the area. About all 
I knew was what I had learned in Sunday School.

And typical of many U.S. Christians, I somehow considered a modern 
state created in 1948 as a homeland for Jews persecuted under the 
Nazis as a replica of the spiritual, mystical Israel I heard about as 
a child. When in 1979 I initially went to Jerusalem, I planned to 
write about the three great monotheistic religions and leave out 
politics. "Not write about politics?" scoffed one Palestinian, smoking 
a waterpipe in the Old Walled City. "We eat politics, morning, noon 
and night!"

As I would learn, the politics is about land, and the co-claimants to 
that land: the indigenous Palestinians who have lived there for 2,000 
years and the Jews who started arriving in large numbers after the 
Second World War. By living among Israeli Jews as well as Palestinian 
Christians and Muslims, I saw, heard, smelled, experienced the police 
state tactics Israelis use against Palestinians.

My research led to a book entitled Journey to Jerusalem. My journey 
not only was enlightening to me as regards Israel, but also I came to 
a deeper, and sadder, understanding of my own country. I say sadder 
understanding because I began to see that, in Middle East politics, we 
the people are not making the decisions, but rather that supporters of 
Israel are doing so. And typical of most Americans, I tended to think 
the U.S. media was "free" to print news impartially.

"It shouldn't be published. It's anti-Israel."
In the late 1970s, when I first went to Jerusalem, I was unaware that 
editors could and would classify "news" depending on who was doing 
what to whom. On my initial visit to Israel-Palestine, I had 
interviewed dozens of young Palestinian men. About one in four related 
stories of torture.

Israeli police had come in the night, dragged them from their beds and 
placed hoods over their heads. Then in jails the Israelis had kept 
them in isolation, besieged them with loud, incessant noises, hung 
them upside down and had sadistically mutilated their genitals. I had 
not read such stories in the U.S. media. Wasn't it news? Obviously, I 
naively thought, U.S. editors simply didn't know it was happening.

On a trip to Washington, DC, I hand-delivered a letter to Frank 
Mankiewicz, then head of the public radio station WETA. I explained I 
had taped interviews with Palestinians who had been brutally tortured. 
And I'd make them available to him. I got no reply. I made several 
phone calls. Eventually I was put through to a public relations 
person, a Ms. Cohen, who said my letter had been lost. I wrote again. 
In time I began to realize what I hadn't known: had it been Jews who 
were strung up and tortured, it would be news. But interviews with 
tortured Arabs were "lost" at WETA.

The process of getting my book Journey to Jerusalem published also was 
a learning experience. Bill Griffin, who signed a contract with me on 
behalf of MacMillan Publishing Company, was a former Roman Cath olic 
priest. He assured me that no one other than himself would edit the 
book. As I researched the book, making several trips to Israel and 
Palestine, I met frequently with Griffin, showing him sample chapters. 
"Terrific," he said of my material.

The day the book was scheduled to be published, I went to visit 
MacMillan's. Checking in at a reception desk, I spotted Griffin across 
a room, cleaning out his desk. His secretary Margie came to greet me. 
In tears, she whispered for me to meet her in the ladies room. When we 
were alone, she confided, "He's been fired." She indicated it was 
because he had signed a contract for a book that was sympathetic to 
Palestinians. Griffin, she said, had no time to see me.

Later, I met with another MacMillan official, William Curry. "I was 
told to take your manuscript to the Israeli Embassy, to let them read 
it for mistakes," he told me. "They were not pleased. They asked me, 
"You are not going to publish this book, are you?" I asked, "Were 
there mistakes?" "Not mistakes as such. But it shouldn't be published. 
It's anti-Israel."

Somehow, despite obstacles to prevent it, the presses had started 
rolling. After its publication in 1980,I was invited to speak in a 
number of churches. Christians generally reacted with disbelief. Back 
then, there was little or no coverage of Israeli land confiscation, 
demolition of Palestinian homes, wan ton arrests and torture of 
Palestinian civilians.

The Same Question
Speaking of these injustices, I invariably heard the same question, 
"How come I didn't know this?" Or someone might ask, "But I haven't 
read about that in my newspaper." To these church audiences, I related 
my own learning experience, that of seeing hordes of U.S. 
correspondents covering a relatively tiny state. I pointed out that I 
had not seen so many reporters in world capitals such as Beijing, 
Moscow, London, Tokyo, Paris. Why, I asked, did a small state with a 
1980 population of only four million warrant more reporters than 
China, with a billion people?

I also linked this query with my findings that The New York Times , 
The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post - and most of our 
nation's print media - are owned and/or controlled by Jews supportive 
of Israel. It was for this reason, I deduced, that they sent so many 
reporters to cover Israel - and to do so largely from the Israeli 
point of view.

My learning experiences also included coming to realize how easily I 
could lose a Jewish friend if I criticized the Jewish state. I could 
with impunity criticize France, England, Russia, even the United 
States. And any aspect of life in America. But not the Jewish state. I 
lost more Jewish friends than one after the publication of Journey to 
Jerusalem - all sad losses for me and one, perhaps, saddest of all.

In the 1960s and 1970s, before going to the Middle East, I had written 
about the plight of blacks in a book entitled Soul Sister, and the 
plight of American Indians in a book entitled Bessie Yellowhair, and 
the problems endured by undocumented workers crossing from Mexico in 
The Illegals. These books had come to the attention of the "mother" of 
The New York Times, Mrs. Arthur Hays Sulzberger.

Her father had started the newspaper, then her husband ran it, and in 
the years that I knew her, her son was the publisher. She invited me 
to her fashionable apartment on Fifth Avenue for lunches and dinner 
parties. And, on many occasions, I was a weekend guest at her 
Greenwich, Conn. home.

She was liberal-minded and praised my efforts to speak for the 
underdog, even going so far in one letter to say, "You are the most 
remarkable woman I ever knew." I had little concept that from being 
buoyed so high I could be dropped so suddenly when I discovered - from 
her point of view - the "wrong" underdog.

As it happened, I was a weekend guest in her spacious Connecticut home 
when she read bound galleys of Journey to Jerusalem. As I was leaving, 
she handed the galleys back with a saddened look: "My dear, have you 
forgotten the Holocaust?" She felt that what happened in Nazi Germany 
to Jews several decades earlier should silence any criticism of the 
Jewish state. She could focus on a holocaust of Jews while negating a 
modern day holocaust of Palestinians.

I realized, quite painfully, that our friendship was ending. Iphigene 
Sulzberger had not only invited me to her home to meet her famous 
friends but, also at her suggestion, The Times had requested articles. 
I wrote op-ed articles on various subjects including American blacks, 
American Indians as well as undocumented workers. Since Mrs. 
Sulzberger and other Jewish officials at the Times highly praised my 
efforts to help these groups of oppressed peoples, the dichotomy 
became apparent: most "liberal" U.S. Jews stand on the side of all 
poor and oppressed peoples save one - the Palestinians.

How handily these liberal Jewish opinion-molders tend to diminish the 
Palestinians, to make them invisible, or to categorize them all as 
"terrorists."

Interestingly, Iphigene Sulzberger had talked to me a great deal about 
her father, Adolph S. Ochs. She told me that he was not one of the 
early Zionists. He had not favored the creation of a Jewish state.

Yet, increasingly, American Jews have fallen victim to Zionism, a 
nationalistic movement that passes for many as a religion. While the 
ethical instructions of all great religions - including the teachings 
of Moses, Muhammad and Christ - stress that all human beings are 
equal, militant Zionists take the position that the killing of a non-
Jew does not count.

Over five decades now, Zionists have killed Palestinians with 
impunity. And in the 1996 shelling of a U.N. base in Qana, Lebanon, 
the Israelis killed more than 100 civilians sheltered there. As an 
Israeli journalist, Arieh Shavit, explains of the massacre, "We 
believe with absolute certitude that right now, with the White House 
in our hands, the Senate in our hands and The New York Times in our 
hands, the lives of others do not count the same way as our own."

Israelis today, explains the anti-Zionist Jew Israel Shahak, "are not 
basing their religion on the ethics of justice. They do not accept the 
Old Testament as it is written. Rather, religious Jews turn to the 
Talmud. For them, the Talmudic Jewish laws become "the Bible." And the 
Talmud teaches that a Jew can kill a non-Jew with impunity.

In the teachings of Christ, there was a break from such Talmudic 
teachings. He sought to heal the wounded, to comfort the downtrodden.

The danger, of course, for U.S. Christians is that having made an icon 
of Israel, we fall into a trap of condoning whatever Israel does - 
even wanton murder - as orchestrated by God.

Yet, I am not alone in suggesting that the churches in the United 
States represent the last major organized support for Palestinian 
rights. This imperative is due in part to our historic links to the 
Land of Christ and in part to the moral issues involved with having 
our tax dollars fund Israeli-government-approved violations of human 
rights.

While Israel and its dedicated U.S. Jewish supporters know they have 
the president and most of Congress in their hands, they worry about 
grassroots America - the well-meaning Christians who care for justice. 
Thus far, most Christians were unaware of what it was they didn't know 
about Israel. They were indoctrinated by U.S. supporters of Israel in 
their own country and when they traveled to the Land of Christ most 
all did so under Israeli sponsorship. That being the case, it was 
unlikely a Christian ever met a Palestinian or learned what caused the 
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

This is gradually changing, however. And this change disturbs the 
Israelis. As an example, delegates attending a Christian Sa beel 
conference in Bethlehem earlier this year said they were harassed by 
Israeli security at the Tel Aviv airport.

"They asked us," said one delegate, "Why did you use a Palestinian 
travel agency? Why didn't you use an Israeli agency?" The 
interrogation was so extensive and hostile that Sabeel leaders called 
a special session to brief the delegates on how to handle the 
harassment. Obviously, said one delegate, "The Israelis have a policy 
to discourage us from visiting the Holy Land except under their 
sponsorship. They don't want Christians to start learning all they 
have never known about Israel."

Grace Halsell is a Washington, DC-based writer and author of Journey 
to Jerusalem and Prophecy and Politics






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    US Iraqi Genocide is associated with 1 MILLION post-invasion
excess deaths and constitues an Iraqi Holocaust. However Mainstream
media notoriously IGNORE the horrendous ACTUALITY of the carnage in
Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan where the post-invasion excess
deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not have to happen) now
total 1.0 MILLION and 2.2 MILLION, respectively (see: http://
mwcnews.net/Gideon-Polya and specifically: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ and http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ).

    It is nearly the Fourth Anniversary of the illegal Anglo-American-
Australian-Coalition invasion of Iraq. As of February 2007, a) the
accrual cost has been $2.3 TRILLION; (b) there are 3.7 million Iraqi
refugees; (c) the post-invasion excess deaths total 1.0 million (ONE
MILLION); and (d) there were 1.7 million excess Iraqi deaths
associated with the Western-imposed 1990-2003 Sanctions War (see:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ ). These horrifying
estimates from authoritative sources are amplified and documented
below.

    (a) ECONOMIC COST TO USA. The accrual cost of the Iraq War (i.e.
the total, long-term committed cost, not just the Congressional
allocation as measured by "cost accounting") is $2.3 trillion
according to the 2001 Economics Nobel Laureate US Professor Joseph
Stiglitz (Columbia University) and his Harvard colleague Professor
Linda Bilmes (see: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
article15499.htm ).

    (b) IRAQI REFUGEES. The number of Iraqi refugees now total 3.7
million - 2.0 million outside Iraq and 1.7 million inside Iraq - and
UNHCR predicts that there will be up to 2.3 million internally
displaced people within Iraq by the end of this year. (see: http://
www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1986147,00.html ).

    (c) POST-INVASION IRAQI EXCESS DEATHS. In October 2006 an estimate
of "655,000 post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq as of July
2006" came from a top medical epidemiology research team in America's
(and the World's) top Public Health Department at a top US university
(Johns Hopkins) and was published peer-reviewed in a top medical
journal (The Lancet) and endorsed by 27 top Australian medical experts
in the area (see: MWC News: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/
12163/42/ ; http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ and http://
mwcnews.net/content/view/11293/42/ ).

    Consider the following estimate from the Johns Hopkins medical
scientists of "annual death rate per 1,000 of population" of 13.3
(post-invasion Iraq) as compared to (a) 5.5 (for pre-invasion Iraq
after 12 years of crippling Sanctions) and (b) 4.0 (for Iraq's
resource-poor but peaceful neighbours Syria and Jordan; UN Population
Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The "post-invasion excess death rate/1000 of population" was 13.3
- 5.5 = 7.8 (Comparison A) or 13.3 - 4.0 = 9.3 (Comparison B).
Assuming an average population of 27 million, the "post-invasion
excess deaths" total (over 4 years i.e. as of February 2007) (A) 7.8 x
2,700 x 4 = 842,000 and (B) 9.3 x 2,700 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. ONE
MILLION.

    (d) SANCTIONS WAR EXCESS DEATHS (1990-2003). Excess deaths in Iraq
during the 1990-2003 Sanctions War totalled 1.7 million; under-5
infant deaths in Iraq in this period totalled 1.2 million (from UN
Population Division data: http://esa.un.org/unpp/ ).

    The carnage in Iraq constitutes a US-driven Iraqi Genocide
(Genocide as clearly defined by Article II subsections (a) -(d) of the
Internationally-agreed UN Genocide Convention:
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm ) and an Iraqi
Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million
victims and the WW2 Bengali Holocaust in British-occupied India (4
million victims); most of the victims have been Women and Children;
and the carnage is largely due to gross, war criminal Occupier
violation of the Geneva Conventions which demand that Occupiers do
everything within their power to keep their Conquered Subjects ALIVE
(see Articles 55 and 56 in particular of the Geneva Conventions
relating to civilians: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm ).

    After 4 years of illegal, violent Occupation the post-invasion
excess deaths in Occupied Iraq total ONE MILLION (from UN Population
Division and medical literature data as outlined above). Taken
together with 1.7 million excess deaths in the 1990-2003 Sanctions War
(UN Population Division) and 3.7 million Iraqi refugees (UNHCR), this
constitutes an Iraqi Genocide (as defined by the UN Genocide
Convention) and an Iraqi Holocaust in comparison with the WW2 Jewish
Holocaust (5-6 million victims) and the "forgotten" WW2 British-caused
WW2 Bengali Holocaust (4 million victims). The Iraqi under-5 infant
deaths (1990-2007) now total 1.8 million, 90% having been avoidable
and due to Western war crimes. Total Iraqi excess deaths (1990-2007)
total 2.7 million. The post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied
Afghanistan now total 2.2 million (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/
view/11293/42/ ).

    Three quarters of the people of Occupied Iraq and Occupied
Afghanistan are Women and Children - the Bush War on Terror is in
horrible reality a cowardly War on Women and Children, a War on Asian
Women and Children and a War on Muslim Women and Children.

    What should decent Americans do about the on-going Iraqi Genocide
or Iraqi Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Genocide or Afghan
Holocaust?

    Peace is the only way but silence kills and silence is complicity.
Decent AMERICANS - indeed all decent human beings- are morally
obliged to (a) INFORM OTHERS about this carnage (lying, racist
Mainstream media won't) and (b) ACT ETHICALLY in all their personal
and business dealings with those complicit in this continuing atrocity
e.g. DO NOT VOTE FOR those responsible for the on-going Iraqi
Holocaust and the on-going Afghan Holocaust.

    Ordinary GERMANS claimed in 1945 that they "didn't know" about the
Holocaust. Notwithstanding the racism, lying and holocaust-ignoring of
Mainstream media, AMERICANS (and Brits and Australians) do NOT have
the same excuse - the awful truth is only a few mouse-clicks away.
Thus inspection of the UNICEF site (see: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/index.html
) will inform that 0.5 million under-5 year old children die each year
in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories i.e. 1,300 each day, ONE
PER MINUTE - this being largely due to gross Occupier violation of the
Geneva Conventions that demand that the Occupier keeps its Conquered
Subjects ALIVE (see: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/11968/42/ ).

    Americans - and indeed any people - who KNOWINGLY ignore, deny,
excuse, minimize, obfuscate, advocate, support or effect gross abuses
of Women and Children (as in Iraq and Afghanistan) - or indeed of
anyone - have crossed the line separating decent humanity from
barbarism.

    Those primarily responsible for the carnage of the Iraqi Holocaust
and the Afghan Holocaust - Bush, Blair, Dr Rice (Dr Death) and their
Coalition and NATO confreres should be arraigned and tried before the
International Criminal Court.

more on Iraqi Genocide , Iraqi Holocaust





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Finally Germans are awaking from deep slumber, and forming to oppose
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You can call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard toll-free: (800) 828-0498,
459-1887 or 614-2803; 24/7!

Carol Korreck: A Soldier's Mother Challenges Anyone Who Will Listen
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Tue, 02/06/2007 - 2:39pm. Reader
Contribution A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION by Carol Korreck

President Bush keeps insisting America needs to "support the troops."
What exactly is it that shows support?

Extending tours of duty? Sending soldiers into battle without the
proper training and equipment? There is much information to document
the shortages - one can Google the recently released Inspector General
audit reports to get the details. The extended tours and "back door
drafts" are common practice and common knowledge.

Maybe I am beyond frustration, because I do not understand the
complacency of "patriotic Americans."

While many sat glued to their television sets on March 19, 2003 and
watched the media orgy of "shock and awe" carefully orchestrated with
embedded journalists (only allowed to show what would boost public
support for the illegal and immoral preemptive war) - I sat
dumbfounded, wondering how we had gone from the president saying all
diplomatic and peaceful means would be exhausted, to this horrendous
display of unprovoked violence and murder.

I couldn't lose interest after a few days like the general public did.
My 21-year-old son was somewhere in the chaos, crammed in a bradlee -
little food water or sleep for days as the soldiers made their way
>from Kuwait to Baghdad.

Maybe that's why I am dismayed that nothing is being done to stop a
man who is not a dictator, and is not a king, and yet is allowed to
continue to play "good guy-bad guy," but with real life flesh and
blood soldiers, not with little plastic toy soldiers.

These are our sons, daughters wives and husbands. They bleed. They
die. Millions of Americans who say they "support the troops" remain so
detached from the day to day horrors of this war and occupation that
they are ambivalent to the politics responsible for 3100 American
deaths.

On May 29, 2006 a record 63.5 million people called or sent a text
message to vote for the new "American Idol." While they were casting
their votes, Cpl. Jeremy M. Loveless, 25, of Estacada, Ore., died in
Mosul, Iraq. He was shot by a sniper during a mission as a medic with
the 4th Platoon, A Company, Task force 2-1. He was maintaining
security on a Stryker vehicle. Jeremy left behind a wife and 4-year-
old daughter.

Also on May 29, Capt. James A. Funkhouser, 35, of Katy, Texas, died in
Baghdad, Iraq, of injuries sustained when a vehicle-borne improvised
explosive device detonated near his HMMWV during reconnaissance patrol
operations. Funkhouser was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 12th
Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood,
Texas. Alex left behind a wife and two young daughters. His wife
voiced this concern:

I know Alex is just one of many, but maybe his death has and will
force others to stop and notice when another soldier dies instead of
barely paying attention to it in the news.

I think that we are all starting to become immune to all of the death
there and everywhere else. Iraq has been in our lives for the past few
years and the deaths just don't seem to be as important now. Please
don't let that happen. Take time to notice another soldier fallen.
Remember Alex and know that the next soldier is probably someone just
like him. Bobby Muller, a Vietnam veteran who founded "Veterans for
America," posted an article in January and one of his points was this:

There's an increasing bitterness among military members about the
disconnect between American society itself and their experience of
war. They're putting their lives on the line, sometimes day after day,
but for society at large, it's like there's no war going on.
Supporting our troops means getting our elected officials to represent
America - not protect their political paychecks. Congress needs to
hear loudly and clearly and repeatedly that Americans do not support
an escalation.

The majority of Americans no longer support the war. (And may I
suggest that those that still do support the war enlist, or encourage
their loved ones to enlist and therefore demonstrate their true
patriotism instead of just being armchair warriors.) If 63.5 million
people could grab a phone to vote for their "Idol," certainly we can
rally to call our elected officials and demand that they listen and
take action.

I don't care who is running for office in 2008 and how the war will
affect their election efforts. I do care about the 3100 soldiers
already dead in this war.

There is enough money already in the budget to bring them home safely.
They need real support. Today.

President Bush has never listened to anyone about pre-war planning or
post war planning or the futility of a "troop surge." He has no
military experience. He does not listen to those who do. He is not an
expert on the Middle East. He does not listen to those who are.

He wants to "win." He wants to be a "hero." He is a coward, so he
hides behind his "support the troops" banner so he can guilt people
into submission.

Wake up America. Look in the mirror - motivate yourself! You are one,
but united we are many! Tell yourself you CAN support the troops by
getting them out of the middle of a civil war that they cannot win.
Their lives depend on you and me - they have been fulfilling their
duty as combat soldiers for almost four years now. We need to fulfill
our duty as citizens of the United States who demand our military be
used as intended - to defend our country.

Every day Bush gets to carry on with his dilusional "visions of
grandeur," the results of his abuse of power are being sent home in
flag-draped coffins.

Enough is enough.

Pick up the phone. Call your representatives. Write your local
newspapers. Call your neighbors. Tell them to call their
representatives. Bush is asking for record amounts for his war budget.
It's time to say "No."

A people united can accomplish great things! Believe you can make a
difference and get active about reversing the course of action our
leaders have chosen for our military and for our tax dollars.

Today.

Now!

You can call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121 and ask for
your senator's and representative's office.

Carol Korreck Whiteland, IN





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  The only reason any Jew would go to Israel, is because of the
freebies they get. Aside from thousands of dollars in "resettlement
money" Jews get deluxe homes, swimming pools, Philippino maids, Thai
gardeners, and they work if they want to, otherwise they can just lat
back and enjoy life. ALL ON THE BACKS OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS





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On Feb 11, 2:14 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 5, 4:58 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > Now as a last resort the High Command has decided to drop few million
> > more lieflets to ask Taliban to surrender!  What a bloody circus!
>
>    I was unaware that the Taliban were Jewish.
>
>  Michael

You are unawar of many things donkey! You are also unaware of the fact
that Kikeland makes billions propagating all wars in order to sell the
arms to USA and to the other side as well!




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WHO HAS KILLED FIVE TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN SADDAM EVER DID!

There is a serial killer living in the White House. He has spent the
past six years successfully plotting the deaths of thousands upon
thousands of people. Like others who kill without conscience, he
remains unmoved by the ongoing bloodshed and destruction he has
caused. And now, he is about to do it again.

Someone has to stop George W. Bush before he kills more!

Serial killers sometimes respond to inner voices telling them what to
do. George Bush gets personal messages from his God and PNAC. His wars
with Afghanistan and Iraq were planned and orchestrated by the war
profiteers and ideologues who placed him into office in 2000. The
regional chaos they needed to justify American military action in the
region is going according to plan, and now the next stage is ready for
launching. Any day now, the Bush Doctrine will be used to justify a
killing machine that is gearing to attack Iran.

Someone has to stop him before he triggers a final Armageddon.

At TvNewsLIES.org, we believed this might happen before the last
midterm election. We saw the handwriting on the proverbial wall, but
were a bit early in our prediction. Right now, especially because
George Bush is clearly denying that Iran is on his hit list, we are
convinced that the plans are already in motion.

Every major corporate media outlet is reporting that there is
'evidence' of Iran's role in supplying sophisticated weapons to the
Shia in Iraq, and in assisting in the killing of American troops.
We've all been there and done that. Not a shred of evidence supporting
those charges has been presented to the Congress or the public, but
the rhetoric gets louder and louder. Iran's nuclear capability is
touted as a threat to the US and the region, despite the reality that
any nuclear strike by any nation would result in its immediate
annihilation. Logic has been buried, and terror threats have once
again been broadcast to the public.

Someone has to stop him, and soon.

Dick Cheney, Chief Puppeteer and War Monger in the WH, recently stated
that the President does NOT have to listen to Congress or the people
of the nation. The Decider, it seems, can do whatever he pleases and
the rest of us be damned. He does NOT have to listen to anyone at all,
and that is becoming more and more obvious. This morning, three former
military leaders issued a dire warning to George W. Bush....and he is
not about to listen to them at all.

The letter was sent to the Sunday Times of London by retired Army Lt.
Gen. Robert Gard, a former military assistant to Defense Secretary
Robert McNamara, retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Hoar, a former
commander in chief of U.S. Central Command; and retired Navy Vice Adm.
Jack Shanahan, a former director of the Center for Defense
Information. These experienced and concerned officers warned that
attacking Iran "would have disastrous consequences for security in the
region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further exacerbate regional
and global tensions." They cautioned that "the current crisis must be
resolved through diplomacy," and they urged the President to "engage
immediately in direct talks with the government of Iran without
preconditions."

Did you hear about this on your network news today, or did you hear
discussion after discussion about Iran's role in aiding the insurgency
and the danger of its nuclear program?

The fears of these three men, like the advice of the Baker-Hamilton
Iraq Group, are being ignored - as were the voices of those who warned
against the tragic and failed war against Iraq. Afghanistan, Iraq,
Iran and Syria all are on the PNAC hit list that would supposedly lead
to American military domination of the Middle East. The plans were set
in rapid motion when these madmen got their 'new Pearl Harbor' on
September 11th, 2001. And here they go again.

The serial killer we know as George W. Bush was installed in the White
House to do exactly what he is doing now. He is on the loose and about
to strike again.

He has to be stopped before he kills more. He has to be stopped
quickly and legally.

Whatever that takes.





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The mainstream media is apparently as lifeless as the 80 Iraqi
civilians, murdered by today's mysterious detonating food truck. How
else to explain their reporting that "insurgents" desire to kill as
many of their own people as they can. Can it be possible that the
person who penned this report really did not stop at that point and
thin to him or herself: "hmmm... but aren't the 'insurgents' those
members of Iraqi society that have taken up arms in order to expel the
invading American army? Isn't their very existence justified only by
the presence of American troops in their country? Why then would they
want to kill as many Iraqi civilians - their own people whose support
constitutes the lifeblood of the resistance - as possible?" Perhaps he
or she did, but then just shrugged and said, "who cares, it's not my
job to think."

Anyway, back to the mysterious exploding food truck. We are meant to
believe that this was a "suicide bombing" because someone drove a
truck into a market and it exploded. Just like we are meant to believe
that every time an Israeli restaurant or bus blows up, it is the work
of a "Palestinian suicide bomber" simply because what appeared to be a
Palestinian happened to enter the restaurant or bus just before the
explosion.

I've presented this scenario before, and I'll give it here again
because it really is a concept that everyone should be able to grasp:

A two man Shin Bet (Israeli internal intelligence) team sneak up to a
fixed Falafel stand in Tel Aviv in the dead of night. They open the
doors to the storage area of the stand and attach 5kg of plastic
explosives to the top corner, way at the back. The close it up and
leave. The next morning they contact one of their informers, a
Palestinian youth, little more than 20 years old. Known to the
authorities, the youth enjoys free passage in and out of Israel. He is
told his handlers want to see him at 1pm that afternoon. The meeting
place is a Falafel stand in Tel Aviv. He is told to go and buy a
Falafel and wait for them to arrive. At 1pm he approaches the Falafel
stand. From a distance of 50 meters his two handlers are watching. As
he orders something, they push a button. Two hours later, news reports
are flying around the world of a new Palestinian suicide bombing in
Tel Aviv, at a Falafel stand no less, with lots of eyewitness to
testify that the explosion occurred when a Palestinian man approached
the stand.

In Iraq, the same tactics are being used. Here are two first hand
accounts of real events from last year:


    "A few days ago, an American manned check point confiscated the
driver license of a driver and told him to report to an American
military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to
retrieve his license. The next day, the driver did visit the camp and
he was allowed in the camp with his car. He was admitted to a room for
an interrogation that lasted half an hour. At the end of the session,
the American interrogator told him: "OK, there is nothing against you,
but you do know that Iraq is now sovereign and is in charge of its own
affairs. Hence, we have forwarded your papers and license to al-
Kadhimia police station for processing. Therefore, go there with this
clearance to reclaim your license. At the police station, ask for Lt.
Hussain Mohammed, who is waiting for you now. Go there now quickly,
before he leaves his shift work."

    The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a
feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he
also became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering
overhead, as if trailing him. He stopped the car and inspected it
carefully. He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the
back seat and along the two back doors.

    The only feasible explanation for this incident is that the car
was indeed booby trapped by the Americans and intended for the al-
Khadimiya Shiite district of Baghdad. The helicopter was monitoring
his movement and witnessing the anticipated "hideous attack by foreign
elements".

    The same scenario was repeated in Mosul, in the north of Iraq. A
car was confiscated along with the driver's license. He did follow up
on the matter and finally reclaimed his car but was told to go to a
police station to reclaim his license. Fortunately for him, the car
broke down on the way to the police station. The inspecting car
mechanic discovered that the spare tire was fully laden with
explosives.
    On May 13, 2005, a 64 years old Iraqi farmer, Haj Haidar Abu
Sijjad, took his tomato load in his pickup truck from Hilla to
Baghdad, accompanied by Ali, his 11 years old grandson. They were
stopped at an American check point and were asked to dismount. An
American soldier climbed on the back of the pickup truck, followed by
another a few minutes later, and thoroughly inspected the tomato
filled plastic containers for about 10 minutes. Haj Haidar and his
grandson were then allowed to proceed to Baghdad.

    A minute later, his grandson told him that he saw one of the
American soldiers putting a grey melon size object in the back among
the tomato containers. The Haj immediately slammed on the brakes and
stopped the car at the side of the road, at a relatively far distance
>from the check point. He found a time bomb with the clock ticking
tucked among his tomatoes. He immediately recognized it, as he was an
ex-army soldier. Panicking, he grabbed his grandson and ran away from
the car. Then, realizing that the car was his only means of work, he
went back, took the bomb and carried it in fear. He threw it in a deep
ditch by the side of the road that was dug by Iraqi soldiers in
preparation for the war, two years ago.

    Upon returning from Baghdad, he found out that the bomb had indeed
exploded, killing three sheep and injuring their shepherd in his head.
He thanked God for giving him the courage to go back and remove the
bomb, and for the luck in that the American soldiers did not notice
his sudden stop at a distance and his getting rid of the bomb.

    "They intended it to explode in Baghdad and claim that it is the
work of the 'terrorists', or 'insurgents' or who call themselves the
'Resistance'.

    I decided to expose them and asked your reporter to take me to
Baghdad to tell you the story. They are to be exposed as they now want
to sow strife in Iraq and taint the Resistance after failing to defeat
it militarily. Do not forget to mention my name. I fear nobody but
God, as I am a follower of Muqtada al-Sadir."

Add to that the following:

    Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq

    Julian Borger in Washington
    Tuesday December 9, 2003
    Guardian

    Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive
counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of
assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and
military sources said yesterday.

And then this from the UK Independent's Robert Fisk:

    Unknown Americans Are Provoking Civil War In Iraq

    The Americans, my interlocutor suspected, are trying to provoke an
Iraqi civil war so that Sunni Muslim insurgents spend their energies
killing their Shia co-religionists rather than soldiers of the Western
occupation forces... "One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained
by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of
his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They
said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a
mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque
and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile
signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal.
Then his car blew up."
    Impossible, I think to myself. But then I remember how many times
Iraqis in Baghdad have told me similar stories.

And we begin to get a very different picture and understanding of what
is happening in Iraq, Israel and many other places.





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It is interesting the Telegraph.co.uk, "Lord" Conrad Black's online
version of a neocon newspaper, would publish a story admitting that
the Joint Support Group, described as "a cell from a small and
anonymous British Army unit," manages "covert human intelligence
sources or agents," including double agents, that is to say the Brits
are engaged in terrorist operations, as long suspected.

"During the Irish Troubles, the JSG operated under the cover name of
the Force Research Unit (FRU), which between the early 1980s and the
late 1990s managed to penetrate the very heart of the IRA. By
targeting and then 'turning' members of the paramilitary organization
with a variety of 'inducements'" ranging from blackmail to bribes, the
FRU operators developed agents at virtually every command level within
the IRA," explains Sean Rayment.

Even a dullard, armed with the appropriate search criteria and Google,
can put two and two together in short order and discover that much of
the terrorism in Northern Ireland was orchestrated by FRU and the
British government, including the despicable "human bomb" technique,
that is to say "forcing civilians to drive vehicles laden with
explosives into army checkpoints," according to the Guardian.

Naturally, all of this shines a new light on the two British SAS
operatives caught in Basra, driving around in a car loaded with
explosives and disguised as Arabs back in 2005.

Assassinating Irish civilians was part and parcel of "an intelligence
operation which had been sanctioned at the highest levels of the
British Army and the British Security Service, MI5," according to Ed
Moloney, writing for the Sunday Tribune.

In addition to outright murder, British intelligence encouraged
torture. Robert Stevens describes the UDA as "a fascistic, loyalist
paramilitary organization," infamous for running death squads.

Sunday Telegraph documents "confirm that as the UDA's primary
intelligence officer Brian Nelson passed on the names, photographs and
addresses of suspected IRA members from Army Intelligence records to
UDA gunmen and that he carried out assassinations under army
direction." Patrick Finucane was apparently murdered by a FRU
sanctioned death squad. The Belfast solicitor was gunned down before
his wife and children.

"Beginning in the 1980s the highly secretive FRU was sent into
Northern Ireland to recruit and train double agents to work inside the
paramilitary groups," writes Michael S. Rose. "The FRU combated IRA
terrorism by the use of paid informers, blackmail, ambushes, and other
methods not approved by the Geneva Convention. In the worst case,
British officers decided that in cases when it would be difficult to
bring suspected IRA terrorists to justice by legitimate means, the FRU
would enlist outlawed guerilla groups that possessed both the desire
and the means to murder the IRA men. According to Stevens Three, the
FRU assisted Protestant terrorists in carrying out what were, in
effect, proxy assassinations of Catholics. In order to forge such
alliances, the British officers had to overlook the fact that the
interests of the Protestant death squads were not those of the United
Kingdom and its government."

In Iraq, the "JSG is the coalition's secret weapon," a defense source
told the Telegraph. "Their job is to recruit and run covert human
intelligence sources or agents-we never use the term informer. The
Americans are in awe of the unit because they have nothing like them
within their military."
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=751





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On Feb 12, 12:50 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 12, 5:30 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> Wonder no more! They were handed over to the ZioNazis by Bremer and
> > company with Bush's blessing, to buy up the land in Northern Iraq, for
> > the "future" expansion of the ZioNazi enclave
>
>    Which "ZioNazis" received the twenty billion?
>
>  Michael

HJard to tell, but they sure bought alot of land in the Northern Iraq
especially!




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Peace or war?
The only security Israel can have will be a result of its signing
peace accords with the Palestinians and neighboring countries. It is
no more likely than the US to defeat its enemies on the field of
battle and its arms have been neutralized. The war in Lebanon was only
an augury of the decisive limits of its military power.

It is in this context that secret Israeli talks with Syria have
enormous significance. They began in January 2004 in Turkey with the
approval of then premier Ariel Sharon, moving on to Switzerland, where
the Swiss Foreign Office played the role of intermediary. By August
2005 they had reached a very advanced form and covered territorial,
water, border and political questions. Details remain to be ironed
out, but the sides have taken a quantum leap in solving one of the
region's crucial problems.

When the Iraq Study Group filed its recommendations last December,
negotiations with Syria were especially stressed - a point one of the
co-authors, James Baker, reiterated when he testified to the US Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations on January 30. Baker undoubtedly knew
about the secret talks and Syria's explicit statements that it wished
to break with radical Islamic movements and was ready to discuss its
ties with Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. These nominally secret talks were
made public on January 8 when Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak accused
the US in an interview with an Israeli paper of obstructing peace
between Israel and Syria.

Ha'aretz' Akiva Eldar then published a series of extremely detailed
accounts, including the draft accord, confirming that Syria "offered a
far-reaching and equitable peace treaty" that would provide for
Israel's security and which would divorce Syria from Iran and even
create a crucial distance between Damascus and Hezbollah and Hamas.

The Bush administration's role in scuttling any peace accord was
decisive. C David Welch, assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern
affairs, sat in at the final meeting and two former senior Central
Intelligence Agency officials were present in all of these meetings
and sent regular reports to Vice President Dick Cheney's office. The
press has been full of details on how the US role was decisive,
because it has war, not peace, at the top of its agenda.

Most of the Israeli establishment favors it. On January 28, important
Israelis met publicly in Jaffa and called the Israeli response "an
irresponsible gamble with the state of Israel", since it made Cheney
arbiter of Israeli national interests. They included former IDF chief
of staff Amnon Lipkin Shahak, former Shin Bet chief Ya'akov Perry,
former directors of the Foreign Ministry David Kimche and Alon Liel
(who negotiated the deal and believes it is very serious), and the
like. Shlomo Ben-Ami, former foreign minister, has since supported
their position and argued that it is "too important" for Israel to
endorse yet "another failure in the US strategy".

But Olmert has explicitly said that the Bush administration opposes a
negotiated peace with Syria. Therefore he is opposed to it also.
Olmert's contradiction is that he wants to remain closely allied to
the US, whatever its policies, yet he is now one of the most unpopular
prime ministers in Israel's history and in power only because of
Sharon's stroke. Israel is a crucial pillar of US policy in the entire
region, but this policy is failing. An alliance with the US is
Olmert's recipe for political defeat when the inevitable election is
called. That is his problem.

Israel's power after 1947 was based on its military supremacy over its
weaker neighbors. It is in the process of losing it - if it has not
already. Lesser problems, mainly demographic, will only be aggravated
if tension persists. It simply cannot survive allied with the United
States, because the Americans will either leave the region or embark
on a war that risks Israel's very existence. It is time for it to
become "normal" and make peace with its neighbors, and that will
require it to make major concessions. It can do that if it embarks on
an independent foreign policy, and it can start immediately to do so
with Syria.

Gabriel Kolko is the author of, among other works, Century of War:
Politics, Conflicts and Society Since 1914, Another Century of War?
and Anatomy of a War: Vietnam, the United States and the Modern
Historical Experience. His latest book is The Age of War.




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On Feb 12, 12:32 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 12, 5:24 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 11, 8:26 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 11, 1:49 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 11, 2:14 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 5, 4:58 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > > > Now as a last resort the High Command has decided to drop few million
> > > > > > more lieflets to ask Taliban to surrender!  What a bloody circus!
>
> > > > >    I was unaware that the Taliban were Jewish.
>
> > > > >  Michael
>
> > > > You are unawar of many things donkey! You are also unaware of the fact
> > > > that Kikeland makes billions propagating all wars in order to sell the
> > > > arms to USA and to the other side as well!
>
> > >    I was unaware that the U.S. military switched from Beretta M92's to
> > > Desert Eagles.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > Beretta Being Czech manufacture can be found round the world
>
>    So then the Czechs are making money by selling arms to NATO
> countries.
>
>  Michael

Czechs have been selling arms since before the Fredrick thye Great to
any fool that wants to buy arms




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Wonder no more! They were handed over to the ZioNazis by Bremer and
company with Bush's blessing, to buy up the land in Northern Iraq, for
the "future" expansion of the ZioNazi enclave




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On Feb 11, 8:26 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:49 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 11, 2:14 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 5, 4:58 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > > Now as a last resort the High Command has decided to drop few million
> > > > more lieflets to ask Taliban to surrender!  What a bloody circus!
>
> > >    I was unaware that the Taliban were Jewish.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > You are unawar of many things donkey! You are also unaware of the fact
> > that Kikeland makes billions propagating all wars in order to sell the
> > arms to USA and to the other side as well!
>
>    I was unaware that the U.S. military switched from Beretta M92's to
> Desert Eagles.
>
>  Michael

Beretta Being Czech manufacture can be found round the world




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On Feb 11, 2:09 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
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>
>
> > I just got this link from a friend in another forum:
>
> > Watch :
>
> > US soldiers insulting and taunting little hungry Iraqi kids, asking
> > them :
>
> > "You fuck donkeys, right ? Donkey. Hey you fuck donkeys right ? "
>
> > The Iraqi kids of course don t know what the US soldier says, but seem
> > to believe that the soldier is asking them something good - and answer
> > with "yes".
>
> > US soldier:
>
> > "Yeah ! Y'fucked a donkey. Are they good, he ? You're a donkey,
> > right ? Yes, Donkey-fucker. Ah Donkey-fucker, alright ! "
>
> >http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52d7e3cd11
>
>    I suppose U.S. soldiers do these things in their own country,
> right?
>
>  Michael

RIGHT!




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IF THEY DID NOT ENCROACH ON THE PERSIAN GULF THEY WOULD HAVE HAD
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

US navy warned of 'suicide drones'

>From correspondents in Tehran
February 11, 2007 07:31pm
Article from: Agence France-Presse-

IRAN has built "suicide" drones capable of attacking US naval ships
and forcing them to leave Gulf waters, said a Revolutionary Guards
commander quoted by the semi-official news agency Mehr.

"We have built birds without passengers (drones) that can carry out
suicide operations on the US Navy, at any depth if necessary, to make
them leave the region in disgrace," said Ali Shoushtari, deputy
commander of the Guards' land forces.

Warning about a "defeat for the enemy", Shoushtari said: "Americans
know that if they confront the Islamic system, they wil not be secure
in the region or at home."

Last week Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to hit
back at US interests worldwide if it attacked the Islamic republic to
thwart its nuclear programme.

In response, the White House said it has no plans to invade Iran, and
downplayed the significance of reinforcing the US military presence in
the Gulf region.

Iranian leaders have repeatedly said the country's armed forces are
ready for any eventuality in the current standoff with the West over
its nuclear activities.

The US accuses Iran of seeking a nuclear weapon. Tehran vehemently
denies the charges, insisting its atomic programme is for energy only.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21207873-38201,00.html




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IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE BOMBED BY IRAN!

>From correspondents in Tehran
February 11, 2007 07:31pm
Article from: Agence France-Presse-

IRAN has built "suicide" drones capable of attacking US naval ships
and forcing them to leave Gulf waters, said a Revolutionary Guards
commander quoted by the semi-official news agency Mehr.

"We have built birds without passengers (drones) that can carry out
suicide operations on the US Navy, at any depth if necessary, to make
them leave the region in disgrace," said Ali Shoushtari, deputy
commander of the Guards' land forces.

Warning about a "defeat for the enemy", Shoushtari said: "Americans
know that if they confront the Islamic system, they wil not be secure
in the region or at home."

Last week Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to hit
back at US interests worldwide if it attacked the Islamic republic to
thwart its nuclear programme.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm





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Now as a last resort the High Command has decided to drop few million
more lieflets to ask Taliban to surrender!  What a bloody circus!





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it is no surprise that neither man will be attending the proceedings -
they may not even be aware that it is taking place.

But start it will, at a conference in Kuala Lumpur called as part of
the former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's campaign to
criminalise war.

Dr Mahathir is not expected to sit on the tribunal. He couldn't quite
be characterised as impartial.

Dr Mahathir said: "What is Blair if not the co-murderer of 500,000
Iraqi children and the liar who told the British that Saddam had WMD
(Weapons of Mass Destruction) which could be launched against Britain
within 45 minutes?

"History should remember Blair and Bush as the 'killers of children'."

Although the aim of the conference - entitled Expose War Crimes,
Criminalise War - is to outlaw war itself, for many Malaysians who've
turned up that means one thing.

"They're giving an open mind to people who know what kind of war crime
that the US do to our communities in the world," was one man's
assessment. It seemed to be that of most people.

"It is the converted preaching to the converted," said Gwynne Dyer, a
journalist and Oscar-nominated documentary maker who addressed the
conference.

"But I think this conference has potential," he said. "It actually has
a goal beyond cheering people up and allowing them to vent."


And there's a lot of venting going on here. Specifically it seems to
be to vilify Tony Blair and George Bush.

'Vast conspiracy'

The meeting has attracted a curious range of speakers.

The former UN humanitarian co-ordinator in Iraq Hans Von Sponeck
shares a platform with author Alfred Lambremont Webre.

Mr Webre claims to have uncovered a vast conspiracy to profit from
wars. He's also keenly interested in intelligent extra-terrestrial
life.

The message is made quite clear by an exhibition staged in parallel
with the conference. Its style is Madame Tussauds on a shoestring, and
it features tableaux illustrating the carnage of the world wars, the
Palestinian problem, Vietnam and of course Iraq.

There's a section comprising a cage and a couple of dummies wired up
to electrodes with the song Rivers of Babylon pumping away in the
background.


A helpful notice tells us that the "cheerful" music of Boney M was
used as an instrument of torture in the Iraq prison at Abu Ghraib.


Dr Mahathir is busy signing autographs. A woman passes him a copy of
her programme to sign.

"Oh Dr Mahathir", she coos, "you're more handsome in person than you
are in photographs."



The 81-year-old statesman takes it in his stride.

His admirer persists. "I'm honoured, I'm standing in front of you, I'm
shaking I feel like I'm in love for the first time," she says.


"Shameless flattery," I suggested to Dr Mahathir.


"Yes, it's flattery," he said with a grave smile.

Resignation calls

But there's no flattery when I ask him if he has anything to add about
Mr Blair.

"What do I have to say about him? I think it's about time he resigns.
Don't wait too long, people are impatient. It's time he resigns. He's
been telling lies."

Not everyone is convinced that Dr Mahathir is a suitable figurehead
for a new human rights movement.

After all, his record during 22 years in power was far from
unblemished.

He detained political opponents without trial and had scant regard for
the freedom of the press. His administration was accused of turning a
blind eye to torture.

I put this to Dr Dyer.

"If you know someone who has a claim to the moral high ground I'd like
to meet him," he said.

"Nelson Mandela," I ventured.

"Alright, there's one, name a second," he challenged me.

"Desmond Tutu," I suggested knowing, I still had the Dalai Lama up my
sleeve.

"Oh damn," said Dr Dyer. "But you know nobody comes to this with clean
hands and if you wait until you have perfect people to do it you're
not going to get it done are you?"

Meanwhile a Downing Street spokesman responded simply: "We believe the
invasion of Iraq was lawful, and we believe that the UN confirmed with
resolution 1723 that the presence of the multi-national force remains
legal."

And never the twain shall meet.

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U.S. checking reports Chinook down in Iraq
Reuters
Wednesday, February 7, 2007; 5:23 AM


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said it was checking reports
that a helicopter, possibly a Chinook transport aircraft, had either
crashed or made an emergency landing near Baghdad on Wednesday.

An Iraqi policeman who had been to the area northwest of Baghdad told
Reuters he had seen wreckage on the ground. One witness who said he
saw the helicopter come down also said he had seen wreckage.


U.S. soldiers had moved in to secure the area, witnesses said.

"We have heard about this ... but I cannot confirm anything at this
stage," said Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Garver, a U.S. military
spokesman in Baghdad.

The U.S. military said on Sunday it was adjusting its tactics in Iraq
after four helicopters were shot down over a two-week period.

Those helicopters were shot down in four separate incidents in which
21 U.S. servicemen and private security contractors were killed.
Dozens of U.S. helicopters have come down, some hit by missiles or
gunfire, in four years of fighting in Iraq.

But the high number lost in such a short time had raised questions
about whether militants had changed tactics or were using more
sophisticated weapons.

At least two witnesses said they saw the helicopter, which they
described as a twin-rotor Chinook, come down on Wednesday amid gunfire
>from the ground. Some witnesses said they saw smoke before the
helicopter went down, while others said they had not seen any.

The Chinook has two crew and can carry up to 55 passengers. They are
used widely to transport troops and cargo around Iraq.


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IS ONLY KNOWN FOR SAVING THE NECK OF THE MOST DISGUSTING MURDERER IN
THE HISTORY OF UNITED STATS. ALL FOR SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS!  FU I ,
FUI, FUI!





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 FREE SAMI AL ARAIAN, THE VICTIM OF THE ZIONIST TORTURERS

This highly qualified computer scientist, who has taught many
Americans this science, is being held under inhuman conditions, even
though he has been found  not guilty of all charges.

Is this the American justice? Is this that5 "democracy" Shrub is
trying to sell to Arabs?

Is this in accordance with the Constitution of Unitad States, to
torture an innocent man?

Sami Al Arian, father of five, is now on hunger strike, and should be
released in accordance with the plea agreement he entered into with
the Justice Department of United States.

Please write to your Congressman, your Senator, your representative,
no matter in what cvountry you live in and demand justice for Sami Al-
Arian.

Also please write to this political prisoner of USA:

Contact Info

Email Tampa Bay Coalition for Justice and Peace:
tampabayjust...@yahoo.com

To write to Dr. Sami Al-Arian:
Sami Al-Arian (#19638)
Northern Neck Regional Jail
P.O. Box 1060
Warsaw, VA 22572





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    WASHINGTON - Jimmy Carter has accused an international Jewish
human rights group of "falsehood and slander" for launching a petition
that resulted in thousands of signatures being sent to the former
president in protest of his controversial book about the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict.

    "I don't believe Simon Wiesenthal would have resorted to falsehood
and slander to raise funds," Carter wrote last month in a handwritten
letter to the head of the human rights center that bears the name of
the late Holocaust survivor and Nazi hunter. The petition does not
require payment to be sent, though Carter's letter suggests it is
being used as a fundraising tool.

    "I believe that Simon Wiesenthal would have been as outraged by
your book, 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,' as I was," Rabbi Marvin
Hier, dean and founder of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal
Center, wrote in a Feb. 2 response to Carter.

The UberJews like the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal are the ones who have
made their own people the subject of attack for generations.

This time, they thought they were safe from all criticism because of
their media control.

Now they have overplayed their hand with the smear campaign against
President Carter, giving everyone a glimpse at the levers of power
weilded by the Zionofascists.

They are panicking because they are aware of their own criminality and
the fate that will justly befall them when their wall of lies
crumbles.

Facilitating genocide and wars that threaten the world are some of the
charges against them.

The tide is beginning to turn on this cabal that infests governments
world-wide.





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Israel, US sign homeland security pact
By REBECCA ANNA STOIL



Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter and his US counterpart,
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, signed a joint
memorandum in Washington DC on Wednesday evening, setting a series of
goals and terms for security collaboration between the two nations.

The joint understanding included partnership on flight security,
including passenger and cargo inspection and information sharing on
the topic of emergency planning, response, recovery and damage
control. The understanding also encompassed sharing of research and
development progress in the field of explosives detection.

In addition, Israel and the US will share information about steps
taken to neutralize, respond to and reduce terror and criminal
activities in specific fields and will also hold joint training and
staff exchanges.

Dichter had previously described the agreement as "a breakthrough
signing of an understandings agreement with the US for the war on
terror and establishing cooperation between the Internal Security
Ministry and the Department of Homeland Security."

Dichter, who is on a four-day diplomatic visit to North America, was
recently officially appointed as Israel's diplomatic counterpart to
Chertoff. The former Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) head is widely
recognized in Washington as an expert in counter-terrorism,
particularly following a nine-month stint as a fellow at the D.C.
Brookings Institute think tank.

A preliminary document signed by both Dichter and Chertoff took pains
to describe that "the meeting was held in a friendly and constructive
atmosphere and with a spirit of mutual understanding" and with
complete agreement "that there exists a vital need to promote
operational, scientific and technological cooperation between the
parties in the field of homeland security."

The two parties agreed that a Homeland Security Steering Committee
will meet at least once a year in order to make sure that the clauses
of the memorandum are carried out. The committee, which will be led by
Public Security Ministry Director Ronny Falk, was also tasked with
defining, setting forth and ratifying "broad, substantive priority
areas for the joint activities within the framework of the
memorandum." Specific desks will be set up at the nations' respective
embassies to make sure that the cooperation and information flows
freely.

The agreement builds upon an earlier agreement signed in 1996 which
outlined cooperation in preventing terror attacks, as well as an
agreement between the Defense Ministry and its US counterpart
discussing research and development in the war on terror.

"Iran is the largest terrorist state in the world" Dichter said late
Tuesday night to members of the public security committee of the
Canadian parliament. Moving from discussing geopolitics to talking
shop with the Canadian lawmakers, Dichter laid out what he believes to
be the guidelines for Canadian-Israeli security cooperation in the
future, possibly similar to the agreement that the minister signed a
day later in Washington DC.

The Canadian MPs echoed their American compatriots in addressing the
former Shin Bet head as a world expert in the field of terror rather
than as a visiting minister of a foreign government, asking him at one
point what specific steps the parliament could take to prevent terror
attacks on Canadian soil.

In his answer, Dichter reiterated the importance of strengthening
border security and use of proper investigative methods with suspects.
But the minister, who spent almost a year as a research fellow in the
US, also emphasized that democratic countries - Israel among them -
had to work hard to find the appropriate balance between respect for
human rights and investigative procedures. He cited the example of
transparency of the investigation as dependent on oversight of the
judicial system, as well as the oversight of groups such as the Red
Cross.

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Washington, D.C., January 26, 2007: "The GRU and other Russian-based
organs have completely penetrated the highest-level American codes
(including satellite transmissions) and have been reading our military
(DIA and Pentagon) and civilian (read CIA/USIA and other) messages
being sent from Iraq, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and Italy.


(3057 bytes) [c] 	Print
>From this, I was told, and shown copies of intercepts, that Bush and
Israel are fomenting a new war in the Gulf area by either creating an
"incident" (casus belli) or instigating one.

There are US intelligence units (small) now operating under cover in
Iran and while the Iranians don't know the details, the Russians do.
If, as reported, Bush is going to off Iranians in Iraq, the U.S. units
in Iran will be offed as a quid pro quo. And videos of the executions
made for U.S. domestic consumption!

Both Russia and China have supplied Iran (and from them the Iraqi
Resistance people) with shaped charge small shoulder-held rockets that
will blow up the biggest tank and, as happened several days ago, the
biggest armored military helicopters?

The suggestion that Bush and Israel would attack Iran for his prestige
and their safety might interdict the vital oil China must have and so
the Chinese, too, have fully entered the game.

They don't keep the Russians courant.

The latter have also got agents planted with Israeli military and
intelligence organs in Israel and these supply Moscow with a heavy
stream of information concerning the Mideast political and military
situation and most especially, projects that might be of interest to
Russia and, through them, Iran. Any gen coming from the U.S. to Israel
ends up in Moscow almost simultaneously! Do much for the delusion that
secrets are secrets.

Anyway, the Mideast pot is coming to a boil and this parallels the
situation in Washington where Bush is facing growing, and entirely
predictable, rebellion from the newly-empowered Democrats.

Remember the proverb about the house built on sand? The winds came and
beat upon that house and it fell and great was the fall thereof? Nice
simile and so true! "


Iran has said it had identified 100 spies working for the United
States and Israel in border areas of the Islamic state.

"One hundred people who were directly working for the US and Israeli
intelligence ... who were intending to collect political and military
information were identified and are now in our intelligence net,"
Intelligence Minister Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejeie was quoted as
saying.

The minister added that a number of Iranians who wanted to take part
in spying courses abroad had also been arrested, the semi-official
Fars news agency reported Thursday.

"We were able to identify and arrest all those who wanted to take part
in espionage course abroad under the guise of taking part in
educational courses," Mohseni Ejeie said, without elaborating.

Early last month, Iranian MP Ahmad Tavakoli said that Iran had
arrested a spy working in parliament's research centre who had been
passing information on its nuclear programme to outlawed armed
opposition group, People's Mujahedeen.

Iranian authorities claim that the United States supports armed groups
in the country's border provinces, whose population includes Kurd,
Arab or Baluch ethnic minorities.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Iran_says_100_spies_working_for_0208.html





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He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
BLOODY LIAR.

HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK

Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!

SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER





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This is a common practice with ZioNazis to stage an attack on
prominent Zionists, in order to elicit sympathy for their "cause"!

SAN FRANCISCO - In a bizarre attack, a well-known author and Holocaust
scholar was dragged out of a San Francisco hotel elevator by an
apparent Holocaust denier who reportedly had been trailing him for
weeks.

Police escorted Elie Wiesel to San Francisco International Airport on
Feb. 1 after a man accosted Wiesel in the elevator at the Argent
Hotel, at 50 Third St., after Wiesel participated in a panel
discussion at a peace conference and before Wiesel was scheduled to
catch a flight back to New York.

Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author of more than 40 books,
including the memoir "Night," about his experiences at Auschwitz, won
the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. Last fall, the Boston University
professor was suggested as a possible replacement for Israeli
President Moshe Katsav, who faces sexual assault charges.

Police confirmed this week that the attack took place and that
officers escorted Wiesel to the airport following the attack.
According to police, the suspect accosted Wiesel in the hotel elevator
at around 6:30 p.m., saying he wanted to interview him. Wiesel said he
would do the interview in the lobby. That's when the attacker pulled
him out of the elevator, police reported.

In a posting Tuesday on the anti-Zionist Web site ZioPedia, a writer
using the name Eric Hunt takes credit for the attack: "After ensuring
no women would be traumatized by what I had to do (I had been trailing
Wiesel for weeks), I stopped the elevator at the sixth floor. I pulled
Wiesel out of the elevator. I said I wanted to interview him."

Wiesel grabbed at his chest and yelled for help, according to the
posting. "I told him, 'Why don't you want people to know the truth?'
His expression changed, and he began screaming again. ..." the posting
reads.Police reported that the suspect tried to force Wiesel into one
of the rooms, but ran away when Wiesel started yelling.

The online posting states that the writer intended to "bring Wiesel to
my hotel room where he would truthfully answer my questions regarding
the fact that his non-fiction Holocaust memoir, Night, is almost
entirely fictitious." Later in the posting, the Holocaust is portrayed
as a "myth."

Police haven't officially idenitifed a suspect, but a source close to
the investigation said Eric Hunt is the focus of their probe. Wiesel
was in town to speak at the RockRose Institute's World Conference
2007, Facing Violence, which addressed justice, religion and conflict
resolution, according to its press release. The conference included
former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Juan Mendez, adviser
to the U.N. secretary-general, in its list of speakers.

In 2006, Oprah Winfrey honored Elie Wiesel and 50 high school students
who wrote about the relevance of his account of the Holocaust in
"Night."





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U.S. helicopters mistakenly killed at least five allied Kurdish
militiamen in the northern city of Mosul early Friday. The US military
also reported three more American soldiers killed in combat, pushing
the U.S. death toll to 33 in the first eight days of the month.



Officials said the Kurds died about midnight as they guarded a branch
of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, a political party led by Iraqi
President Jalal Talabani. The U.S. army said the strike was launched
after US ground forces spotted armed men in a bunker near a building
they thought was being used to make bombs for al-Qaeda in Iraq.


http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iraq/209455





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On Feb 13, 10:37 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > When the Iraq Study Group filed its recommendations last December,
> > negotiations with Syria were especially stressed - a point one of the
> > co-authors, James Baker, reiterated when he testified to the US Senate
> > Committee on Foreign Relations on January 30. Baker undoubtedly knew
> > about the secret talks and Syria's explicit statements that it wished
> > to break with radical Islamic movements and was ready to discuss its
> > ties with Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas.
>
> This committee has already been forgotten.

How about the Holofucks?



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On Feb 13, 2:32 pm, "george"  wrote:
> On Feb 14, 6:44 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 2:29 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 12, 2:12 pm, Frank Arthur  wrote:
>
> > > > Time for the Auditor-General of Canada to get the RCMP, and
> > > > Interpol plus IRS and RICO onto McVay and his criminal money
> > > > laundering activities.
>
> > > > With Bnai Brith involved, and Harry Mazal in the USA, there
> > > > must be many, many millions of dollars for the tax authorities
> > > > to recover,including from those donors who supported all the
> > > > criminality!!
>
> > > > Links to Doc Tavish posts which give proof to McVay's criminality
> > > > and money being laundered:
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5e2047e8f5129b1a?f...
> > > > Subject: Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
> > > > Owned and Controlled by Jews   v3.0   U0221
> > > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0600
> > > > Message-ID: 
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1d1cf50fcc74cca7?fwc=1
> > > > Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor
> > > > Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds
> > > > He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Reports are Further
> > > > Proof! V5.0 U_0122
> > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > Date: 22 Jan 2006 09:24:36 GMT
> > > >                   Two Companion pieces to the above:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
> > > > (Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
> > > > Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
> > > > Archives and The Same Funding Lie by
> > > > Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
> > > > Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1p...@4ax.com>
> > > > Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
> > > > ------------------------------AND-------------------------------http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
> > > > Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
> > > > Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!)
> > > > V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
> > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
> > > > Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
> > > > You All be the Judges!  V2-0
> > > > Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5i...@4ax.com>
> > > > Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
> > > >   (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund
> > > > should both be renamed the Kenneth McVay
> > > > Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor
> > > > Project is a web site solely operated
> > > > by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence. McVay is
> > > > the sole recipient and beneficiary of
> > > > those two "bogus" funds!)
> > > >   Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his
> > > > defense of McVay; he's evidently getting some
> > > > of that laundered money too as indicated here:http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
> > > > Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken
> > > > Lewis Benefitting from McVay's
> > > > Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
> > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT
>
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
> > > > Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and
> > > > Tax Scam  V2.0
> > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
> > > >   (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and
> > > > currently perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and
> > > > Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which B'nai Brith launders exempt
> > > > donations and passes them to McVay as
> > > > tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive
> > > > exempt donations. This is more or less a similar
> > > > tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)
>
> > > > If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
> > > > then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
> > > > Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
> > > > "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
> > > > is a revolutionary act."
> > > > (George Orwell)
>
> > > > David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
> > > > "All truth passes through three stages.
> > > > First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
> > > > and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> > > > (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
> > > > "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
> > > > but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
> > > > falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
> > > > they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
> > > > against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
> > > > "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
> > > > acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
> > > > and impossible to ignore."
> > > > --John Bryant
>
> > > My friends in Nanaimo tell me that McVay is just a piece of street
> > > trash, where he is known as a Jewish arsewipe. The more you poke in
> > > the garbage like Mc Vay the more it stinks
>
> >    You really do not like people who expose your lies.
>
> >    Of course, what Nazi WOULD?
>
> Very true.
> Of course with all these lies about Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project the
> nazis
THERE ARE NO BIGGER NAZI IN THE WORLD THAN MC VAY AND HIS JEWS!



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On Feb 13, 12:44 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:29 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 2:12 pm, Frank Arthur  wrote:
>
> > > Time for the Auditor-General of Canada to get the RCMP, and
> > > Interpol plus IRS and RICO onto McVay and his criminal money
> > > laundering activities.
>
> > > With Bnai Brith involved, and Harry Mazal in the USA, there
> > > must be many, many millions of dollars for the tax authorities
> > > to recover,including from those donors who supported all the
> > > criminality!!
>
> > > Links to Doc Tavish posts which give proof to McVay's criminality
> > > and money being laundered:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5e2047e8f5129b1a?f...
> > > Subject: Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally
> > > Owned and Controlled by Jews   v3.0   U0221
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0600
> > > Message-ID: 
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1d1cf50fcc74cca7?fwc=1
> > > Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor
> > > Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds
> > > He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Reports are Further
> > > Proof! V5.0 U_0122
> > > Message-ID: 
> > > Date: 22 Jan 2006 09:24:36 GMT
> > >                   Two Companion pieces to the above:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
> > > (Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
> > > Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
> > > Archives and The Same Funding Lie by
> > > Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
> > > Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1p...@4ax.com>
> > > Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
> > > ------------------------------AND-------------------------------http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
> > > Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
> > > Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!)
> > > V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
> > > Message-ID: 
> > > Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
> > > Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
> > > You All be the Judges!  V2-0
> > > Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5i...@4ax.com>
> > > Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
> > >   (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund
> > > should both be renamed the Kenneth McVay
> > > Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor
> > > Project is a web site solely operated
> > > by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence. McVay is
> > > the sole recipient and beneficiary of
> > > those two "bogus" funds!)
> > >   Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his
> > > defense of McVay; he's evidently getting some
> > > of that laundered money too as indicated here:http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
> > > Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken
> > > Lewis Benefitting from McVay's
> > > Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
> > > Message-ID: 
> > > Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
> > > Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and
> > > Tax Scam  V2.0
> > > Message-ID: 
> > > Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
> > >   (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and
> > > currently perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and
> > > Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which B'nai Brith launders exempt
> > > donations and passes them to McVay as
> > > tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive
> > > exempt donations. This is more or less a similar
> > > tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)
>
> > > If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
> > > then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
> > > Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
> > > "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
> > > is a revolutionary act."
> > > (George Orwell)
>
> > > David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
> > > "All truth passes through three stages.
> > > First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
> > > and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> > > (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
> > > "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
> > > but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
> > > falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
> > > they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
> > > against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
> > > "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
> > > acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
> > > and impossible to ignore."
> > > --John Bryant
>
> > My friends in Nanaimo tell me that McVay is just a piece of street
> > trash, where he is known as a Jewish arsewipe. The more you poke in
> > the garbage like Mc Vay the more it stinks
>
>    You really do not like people who expose your lies.
>
>    Of course, what Nazi WOULD?
>
>  Michael
BECAUSE I DO NOT LIE ONLY ZIONAZIS, HOLOFUCKSERS AND MCVAY LIE!




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On Feb 13, 12:17 pm, "TheEnigmaMachine"
 wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.203c8801f5435b6989c92@west.Usenet-News.net...
>
> >> "Russia, hopefully, will not have a Guantanamo. The world community is
> >> marking five years since this camp was formed, where people are held
> >> without trial or investigation. It is a lamentable situation," Putin
> >> told the presidential Council for Assisting Civil Society and Human
> >> Rights Institutions.
>
> > Alex you have clearly forgotten Chechnya, where Russian forces held
> > Chechen prisoners at PAP-1 without trial.  The investigations carried
> > out there tended to be of the brutal variety.
>
> Putin longs for a simpler time...the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Blowing
> up towns, women and children was just good fun.

As if our side is not doing exactly the same thing right now!



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On Feb 13, 12:25 pm, "TheEnigmaMachine"
 wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.203c85c472ca7176989c8f@west.Usenet-News.net...
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>
>
> > In article ,
> > mettas_mot...@yahoo.com says...
> >> What about the artillery tanks and Russian missile?
>
> > What about them?
>
> > Artillery can go a few kilometers, the few tanks the Iranians have are
> > unlikely to do do much and in any case they would have limited use
> > without an air force and a few scuds are not going to do much damage.
>
> >> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> >>news:MPG.203b2ce0ef8d4ecb989c8c@west.Usenet-News.net...
> >> > > Iranian leaders have repeatedly said the country's armed forces are
> >> > > ready for any eventuality in the current standoff with the West over
> >> > > its nuclear activities.
>
> >> > It would not take much to knock the Iranian military out. All we need
> >> > do
> >> > is knock out the navy and air force. Then its army can do nothing.
>
> The Iranians still fly some useable fighters...such as the F-14
> Tomcat...mainly because the morons in the US keep selling them the parts
> that allow them to keep them flying.
>
> What the US needs to do is pick a nice clear day and detonate a hydrogen
> bomb where Tehran can see all. It doesn't have to kill anyone. It just needs
> to show Tehran what's in store if they keep f-ing around.
>
> The thing about Iran is Iranians could eventually hang the clerics
> themselves. A US military strike would unite Iranians against the US...which
> is the opposite of what's already taking place.
>
> Meanwhile, Iranian professionals are leaving the country in droves and
> sanctions are shutting down the Iranian economy.

Really? You know so much about Iran, you must be Pentagoh exsquirt!



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On Feb 13, 12:37 pm, "Mich"  wrote:
> "TheEnigmaMachine"  wrote in message
>
> news:xwmAh.145$8y5.24@newsfe10.lga...
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>
>
>
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> > "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> >news:MPG.203c86c5e8ec278989c91@west.Usenet-News.net...
> >>> Should the attack be made with nuclear weapons-as some of Bush's
> >>> criminally insane neoconservative advisers advocate-the populations of
> >>> many countries would suffer for generations from radioactive particles
> >>> in air, water, and food chains. Deaths would number in the many
> >>> millions.
>
> >> Why would you use nuclear weapons? Conventual weapons could do the
> >> trick.
>
> > Eventual weapons will do the trick too, eventually.
>
> > Time solves all problems.
>
> Who are these "criminally insane neoconservative advisers"? can we have some
> names please?

Wall to wall Jews, pal, unless you fucking blind. Chief of the
Homeland security of USA is a ZXioNazi Mossad chief and a dual citizen
of USA and Kikeland. Tos ay nothing about Wolfowitz and the band!



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If It Ain't Islamic Then It Ain't Terrorism
The coverage in the Feb 13 Sydney Morning Herald was typical:

    Gunmen in separate US incidents today have randomly killed a
number of shoppers in [a] mall and directors in a boardroom.

We had multiple simultaneous murder-suicide attacks on random
individuals in public places. But nobody called it terrorism. Did you
notice that? I did!

    In the first incident, a gunman entered a mall in Salt Lake City
in Utah and began randomly shooting, hitting several people before he
was killed.

    "We have six fatalities and multiple victims at hospitals," police
Detective Robin Snyder said. "They were found throughout the mall. I
don't know male or female or ages."

The gunman must have been white, and Christian, or Jewish, or Mormon,
or something. Otherwise he would have been described differently, no?

    In the other incident a gunman killed three people at a business
meeting before turning the gun on himself in a Philadelphia office
building.

What color do you think this Philadelphia gunman was? What religion do
you think he practiced (if any)?

In Salt Lake City,

    Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington, DC, was in [an] antique shop when
two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

    "Then we heard shot after shot after shot - loud, loud, loud," she
said. She and three other people hid under a staircase until it was
safe to leave.
    ...
    The gunman was killed by an off-duty police officer who was in the
mall at the time of the shooting, the Desert Morning News reported on
its website.

    More than three hours later, police were searching stores for
shocked shoppers and employees who were hunkered down awaiting a safe
escort from the mall.

In Philadelphia,

    a gunman killed three people at a business meeting before turning
the gun on himself in a Philadelphia office building.

    The gunman appeared to get upset at a board of directors meeting
for a company that might have been an investment firm, police Deputy
Commissioner Richard Ross said.
    ...
    Ross described the scene inside the conference room as "utter
chaos".

Utter chaos in two American cities, at least ten people dead, who
knows how many hurt, others terrified and hiding under staircaises for
hours; death and destruction out of a clear blue sky and not a motive
to be seen ... but nobody says a word about "terrorism".

Why? Because terrorism is something that happens somewhere else? Or
because if attacks such as these were classified as terrorism, then
the government would have to admit it's not doing a very good job of
protecting us from terrorism.

And this is the one and only thing the government claims to be doing.

~~~

I suppose in another few days we'll be told these shooters were just
"ordinary Americans". It happens all the time, doesn't it?

Where do these people -- these shooters, these so-called "ordinary
Americans" -- get the idea that whenever they have a problem, the way
to solve it is to go shoot somebody? Where does this idea come from?

The president ought to sit down with his country, and explain to
everybody -- once and for all -- that killing other people, (over
"investments", or just because they happen to be in the wrong place at
the wrong time) -- is not the way to solve your problems.

If he can do that with a straight face, he can do anything!




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Pentagon Caught Red Handed in an attempt to Frame Iran: Iran Does Not
Manufacture 81MM Mortar Shells

by Kurt Nimmo

Global Research, February 13, 2007

Pentagon carelessness fabricating bogus "evidence" against Iran is
really quite stupendous. As I wrote here yesterday, the 81mm mortar
shell offered up to the complaisant corporate media as "evidence" Iran
is supplying weaponry to the Shi'a of Iraq is an obvious ruse, as the
date on the proffered shell does not follow the Muslim calendar and
other markings are in English when it only makes sense they would
appear in Persian script.

But it gets worse.

As a recent email points out, Iran does not manufacture 81mm mortar
shells. According to a report offered by the Jaffee Center for
Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, connected to the Saban
Center for Middle East Policy at the neocon Brookings Institute, the
smallest mortar produced by Iran is the 107mm M-30. This information
is included in the JCSS's "Middle East Military Balance," updated last
February. It can be read in this PDF file on page 15. According to
JCSS, "The Middle East Military Balance has been the most
authoritative source on Middle Eastern Armies since 1983." It is quite
fortunate for us the hubris-filled neocons care not to double check
their engineered lies-erroneously described as a "machining process"-
before unleashing them on an unwitting public.

As Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told the
Associated Press, the "United States has a long history in fabricating
evidence," an undisputed fact more than underscored by the lead-up to
the Iraq invasion when the neocons claimed Iraqi weather balloon
trailers doubled as biological weapon labs and clumsily recycled a
student's homework as evidence Saddam was dabbling in weapons of mass
destruction.

Considering the shoddiness of the mortar ruse, it makes perfect sense
so-called "experts" involved in the scam told "a large gathering of
reporters" (more accurately described as script readers and errand
boys) "they not be further identified," lest blame be delivered to
their doorstep.

"Why are US officials hiding behind the cloak of anonymity when
presenting the most detailed evidence yet that Iran is supplying anti-
US forces in Iraq with weaponry?" muses Eason Jordan. "After weeks, if
not months, of US official planning to present a damning 'dossier' of
incriminating evidence against Iran, and after this same US
administration presented us with lopsided, erroneous information about
the capability and evil intentions of the Saddam Hussein regime, the
best the US government can give us today is incendiary evidence
presented at a Baghdad news conference by three US officials who
refuse to be quoted by name?.... The American people deserve straight
talk from identified US officials."

Of course, such "straight talk" will not be forthcoming-not now or
after Iran is destroyed, as Iraq was destroyed before it.

Maybe, if we are lucky, at some point in the future, the names of
these "experts" will emerge in the course of a new Nuremberg trial.

Addendum

Iran does not manufacture 81mm mortars-but Pakistan does. Compare the
photo on this death merchant catalog page with the one offered up as
"evidence" against the Iranians. Minus the nosecone and fins at the
bottom, it is almost a dead ringer, excuse the metaphor (see
enlargement here).

Is it possible the Pentagon neocons, in their zeal to finger the
Iranians and thus kick start World War Four, as they fondly call it,
are using a Pakistani mortar and attributing it to Iran? Considering
the long and sordid history of collaboration between the CIA,
Pentagon, and Pakistan's nefarious ISI, this is likely the case.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20070213&articleId=4772




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The US and Britain have triggered an episode more deadly than the
Rwandan genocide
The Independent
Published: 14 February 2007

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On both sides of the Atlantic, a process of spinning science is
preventing a serious discussion about the state of affairs in Iraq.

The government in Iraq claimed last month that since the 2003 invasion
between 40,000 and 50,000 violent deaths have occurred. Few have
pointed out the absurdity of this statement.

There are three ways we know it is a gross underestimate. First, if it
were true, including suicides, South Africa, Colombia, Estonia,
Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania and Russia have experienced higher
violent death rates than Iraq over the past four years. If true, many
North and South American cities and Sub-Saharan Africa have had a
similar murder rate to that claimed in Iraq. For those of us who have
been in Iraq, the suggestion that New Orleans is more violent seems
simply ridiculous.

Secondly, there have to be at least 120,000 and probably 140,000
deaths per year from natural causes in a country with the population
of Iraq. The numerous stories we hear about overflowing morgues, the
need for new cemeteries and new body collection brigades are not
consistent with a 10 per cent rise in death rate above the baseline.

And finally, there was a study, peer-reviewed and published in The
Lancet, Europe's most prestigious medical journal, which put the death
toll at 650,000 as of last July. The study, which I co-authored, was
done by the standard cluster approach used by the UN to estimate
mortality in dozens of countries each year. While the findings are
imprecise, the lower range of possibilities suggested that the Iraq
government was at least downplaying the number of dead by a factor of
10.

There are several reasons why the governments involved in this
conflict have been able to confuse the issue of Iraqi deaths. Our
Lancet report involved sampling and statistical analysis, which is
rather dry reading. Media reports always miss most deaths in times of
war, so the estimate by the media-based monitoring system,
Iraqbodycount.org (IBC) roughly corresponds with the Iraq government's
figures. Repeated evaluations of deaths identified from sources
independent of the press and the Ministry of Health show the IBC
listing to be less than 10 per cent complete, but because it matches
the reports of the governments involved, it is easily referenced.

Several other estimates have placed the death toll far higher than the
Iraqi government estimates, but those have received less press
attention. When in 2005, a UN survey reported that 90 per cent of
violent attacks in Scotland were not recorded by the police, no one,
not even the police, disputed this finding. Representative surveys are
the next best thing to a census for counting deaths, and nowhere but
Iraq have partial tallies from morgues and hospitals been given such
credence when representative survey results are available.

The Pentagon will not release information about deaths induced or
amounts of weaponry used in Iraq. On 9 January of this year, the
embedded Fox News reporter Brit Hume went along for an air attack, and
we learned that at least 25 targets were bombed that day with almost
no reports of the damage appearing in the press.

Saddam Hussein's surveillance network, which only captured one third
of all deaths before the invasion, has certainly deteriorated even
further. During last July, there were numerous televised clashes in
Anbar, yet the system recorded exactly zero violent deaths from the
province. The last Minister of Health to honestly assess the
surveillance network, Dr Ala'din Alwan, admitted that it was not
reporting from most of the country by August 2004. He was sacked
months later after, among other things, reports appeared based on the
limited government data suggesting that most violent deaths were
associated with coalition forces.

The consequences of downplaying the number of deaths in Iraq are
profound for both the UK and the US. How can the Americans have a
surge of troops to secure the population and promise success when the
coalition cannot measure the level of security to within a factor of
10? How can the US and Britain pretend they understand the level of
resentment in Iraq if they are not sure if, on average, one in 80
families have lost a household member, or one in seven, as our study
suggests?

If these two countries have triggered an episode more deadly than the
Rwandan genocide, and have actively worked to mask this fact, how will
they credibly be able to criticise Sudan or Zimbabwe or the next
government that kills thousands of its own people?

For longer than the US has been a nation, Britain has pushed us at our
worst of moments to do the right thing. That time has come again with
regard to Iraq. It is wrong to be the junior partner in an endeavour
rigged to deny the next death induced, and to have spokespeople
effectively respond to that death with disinterest and denial.

Our nations' leaders are collectively expressing belligerence at a
time when the populace knows they should be expressing contrition. If
that cannot be corrected, Britain should end its role in this
deteriorating misadventure. It is unlikely that any historians will
record the occupation of Iraq in a favourable light. Britain followed
the Americans into this d=E9b=E2cle. Wouldn't it be better to let history
record that Britain led them out?

The writer is an Associate Professor at Columbia University's Mailman
School of Public Health

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2268067.ece




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Russia's president Thursday harshly criticized the U.S. detention camp
at Guantanamo Bay when meeting Russian Human Rights leaders in Moscow,
the Interfax news agency reports.

Russia will never have a base like Guantanamo, President Vladimir
Putin said.

"Russia, hopefully, will not have a Guantanamo. The world community is
marking five years since this camp was formed, where people are held
without trial or investigation. It is a lamentable situation," Putin
told the presidential Council for Assisting Civil Society and Human
Rights Institutions.

Responding to a Council member's rhetoric on growing youth crime rate,
Putin asked the Council's opinion of a proposal to lower the age at
which citizens could be prosecuted, but did not state his own.

Council head Ella Pamfilova said that if laws are not radically
amended, "the factory manufacturing young criminals will operate at
full capacity." The Council is working on proposals which aim to solve
the problem of youth crime, Pamfilova said.




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On Feb 13, 12:51 am, starwars  wrote:
> "Venceremos" wrote in:
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>
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> >Someone who stays and defends his country and people
>
> >                                 OR
>
> >Someone who invades another country and murders a million people in
> >the process?
>
> An invading country who murders a million in the process. Muslim extremists like
> to do that.

AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME "MUSLIM EXTREMISTS" MURDERED "A MILLION" OF
ANY PEOPLE?

By Paul Craig Roberts

What would be the consequences of a US or Israeli attack on Iran's
nuclear energy sites?

At the 2006 Perdana Global Peace Forum, Australian medical scientist
Dr. Helen Caldicott provided an authoritative analysis of the
devastating impact on human life that would result from the radiation
release from such an attack. VIDEO: The Dangers of a Nuclear War,
Global Research, July 28, 2006

Dr. Caldicott described the catastrophic deaths that would result from
a conventional attack on nuclear facilities and the long-term increase
in cancer deaths from the radiation release.

Should the attack be made with nuclear weapons-as some of Bush's
criminally insane neoconservative advisers advocate-the populations of
many countries would suffer for generations from radioactive particles
in air, water, and food chains. Deaths would number in the many
millions.

Such an attack justified in the name of "American security" and
"American hegemony" would constitute the rawest form of evil the world
has ever seen.

Dr. Caldicott detailed the horrible long-term consequences for the
Iraqi population from the US military's current use of depleted
uranium in explosive ammunition used in Iraq. Caldicott explained that
"depleted" does not mean depleted of radiation. She explained that
each time such ammunition is used, radioactive particles are released
in the air and are absorbed into people's lungs. We are yet to see the
horrific civilian casualty rate of the American invasion-or the true
casualty rate among US troops.


Dr. Caldicott expressed bewilderment why the rest of the world does
not stand up to the US and force a halt to its crimes against
humanity.

One man heard her-Vladimir Putin, President of Russia.

On February 10 at the 43rd Munich Security Conference, President Putin
told the world's assembled political leaders that the US was trying to
establish a "uni-polar world," which he defined as "one single center
of power, one single center of force and one single master."

This goal, Putin said, was a "formula for disaster."

"The United States," Putin said, truthfully, "has overstepped its
borders in all spheres" and "has imposed itself on other states."

The Russian leader declared: "We see no kind of restraint-a hyper-
inflated use of force."

To avoid catastrophe, Putin said a reconsideration of the entire
existing architecture of global security was necessary. Putin says
U.S. wants to dominate world, By Louis Charbonneau, Reuters, Feb 10,
2007

Putin's words of truth fell on many deaf ears. US Senator John McCain,
America's most idiotic and dangerous "leader" after Bush and Cheney,
equated Putin's legitimate criticism of the US with "confrontation."

America's new puppets-the states of central and Eastern Europe and the
secretary general of NATO, no longer a treaty for the defense of
Europe but a military force enlisted in America's quest for empire-
lined up with McCain's argument that Russia was in fundamental
conflict "with the core values of Euro-Atlantic democracies."

Even the BBC's defense and security correspondent, Rob Watson, jumped
on the American propaganda bandwagon, tagging Putin's speech a revival
of the cold war.

No delegate at the security conference stood up to state the obvious
fact that it is not Russia that is invading countries under pretexts
as false as Hitler's and setting up weapons systems on foreign soil in
order to achieve military hegemony.

The reception given to Putin's words made it clear to Russia, China,
and every country not bribed, threatened or purchased into
participation in America's drive for world hegemony that the US has no
interest whatsoever in peace. Intelligent people realize that American
claims to be a moral and democratic force are mere pretense behind
which hides a policy of military aggression.

The US, Putin said, has gone "from one conflict to another without
achieving a fully-fledged solution to any of them."

Putin has repeatedly stressed Russia's peaceful intentions and desire
to focus on its economy and to avoid a new arms race. In his speech on
the 60th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany, Putin said: "I
am convinced that there is no alternative to our friendship and our
fraternity. With our closest neighbors and all countries of the world,
Russia is prepared to build a kind of relationship which is not only
based on lessons of the past but is also directed into a shared
future."

In his 2006 state of the nation speech, Putin noted that America's
military budget is 25 times larger than Russia's. He compared the Bush
Regime to a wolf who eats whom he wants without listening. Putin is
being demonized by US propagandists, because he insists upon Russia
being a politically and economically independent state Putin lashes
out at 'wolf-like' America, Guardian, May 11, 2006

The Bush Regime has taken the US outside the boundaries of
international law and is acting unilaterally, falsely declaring
American military aggression to be "defensive" and in the interests of
peace. Much of the world realizes the hypocrisy and danger in the Bush
Regime's justification of the unbridled use of US military power, but
no countries except other nuclear powers can challenge American
aggression, and then only at the risk of all life on earth.

The solution is nonmilitary challenge.

The Bush Regime's ability to wage war is dependent upon foreign
financing. The Regime's wars are financed with red ink, which means
the hundreds of billions of dollars must be borrowed. As American
consumers are spending more than they earn on consumption, the money
cannot be borrowed from Americans.

The US is totally dependent upon foreigners to finance its budget and
trade deficits. By financing these deficits, foreign governments are
complicit in the Bush Regime's military aggressions and war crimes.
The Bush Regime's two largest lenders are China and Japan. It is
ironic that Japan, the only nation to experience nuclear attack by the
US, is banker to the Bush Regime as it prepares a possible nuclear
attack on Iran.

If the rest of the world would simply stop purchasing US Treasuries,
and instead dump their surplus dollars into the foreign exchange
market, the Bush Regime would be overwhelmed with economic crisis and
unable to wage war. The arrogant hubris associated with the "sole
superpower" myth would burst like the bubble it is.

The collapse of the dollar would also end the US government's ability
to subvert other countries by purchasing their leaders to do America's
will.

The demise of the US dollar is only a question of time. It would save
the world from war and devastation if the dollar is brought to its
demise before the Bush Regime launches its planned attack on Iran.

COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

Paul Craig Roberts email him was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
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By Paul Craig Roberts

What would be the consequences of a US or Israeli attack on Iran's
nuclear energy sites?

At the 2006 Perdana Global Peace Forum, Australian medical scientist
Dr. Helen Caldicott provided an authoritative analysis of the
devastating impact on human life that would result from the radiation
release from such an attack. VIDEO: The Dangers of a Nuclear War,
Global Research, July 28, 2006

Dr. Caldicott described the catastrophic deaths that would result from
a conventional attack on nuclear facilities and the long-term increase
in cancer deaths from the radiation release.

Should the attack be made with nuclear weapons-as some of Bush's
criminally insane neoconservative advisers advocate-the populations of
many countries would suffer for generations from radioactive particles
in air, water, and food chains. Deaths would number in the many
millions.

Such an attack justified in the name of "American security" and
"American hegemony" would constitute the rawest form of evil the world
has ever seen.

Dr. Caldicott detailed the horrible long-term consequences for the
Iraqi population from the US military's current use of depleted
uranium in explosive ammunition used in Iraq. Caldicott explained that
"depleted" does not mean depleted of radiation. She explained that
each time such ammunition is used, radioactive particles are released
in the air and are absorbed into people's lungs. We are yet to see the
horrific civilian casualty rate of the American invasion-or the true
casualty rate among US troops.


Dr. Caldicott expressed bewilderment why the rest of the world does
not stand up to the US and force a halt to its crimes against
humanity.

One man heard her-Vladimir Putin, President of Russia.

On February 10 at the 43rd Munich Security Conference, President Putin
told the world's assembled political leaders that the US was trying to
establish a "uni-polar world," which he defined as "one single center
of power, one single center of force and one single master."

This goal, Putin said, was a "formula for disaster."

"The United States," Putin said, truthfully, "has overstepped its
borders in all spheres" and "has imposed itself on other states."

The Russian leader declared: "We see no kind of restraint-a hyper-
inflated use of force."

To avoid catastrophe, Putin said a reconsideration of the entire
existing architecture of global security was necessary. Putin says
U.S. wants to dominate world, By Louis Charbonneau, Reuters, Feb 10,
2007

Putin's words of truth fell on many deaf ears. US Senator John McCain,
America's most idiotic and dangerous "leader" after Bush and Cheney,
equated Putin's legitimate criticism of the US with "confrontation."

America's new puppets-the states of central and Eastern Europe and the
secretary general of NATO, no longer a treaty for the defense of
Europe but a military force enlisted in America's quest for empire-
lined up with McCain's argument that Russia was in fundamental
conflict "with the core values of Euro-Atlantic democracies."

Even the BBC's defense and security correspondent, Rob Watson, jumped
on the American propaganda bandwagon, tagging Putin's speech a revival
of the cold war.

No delegate at the security conference stood up to state the obvious
fact that it is not Russia that is invading countries under pretexts
as false as Hitler's and setting up weapons systems on foreign soil in
order to achieve military hegemony.

The reception given to Putin's words made it clear to Russia, China,
and every country not bribed, threatened or purchased into
participation in America's drive for world hegemony that the US has no
interest whatsoever in peace. Intelligent people realize that American
claims to be a moral and democratic force are mere pretense behind
which hides a policy of military aggression.

The US, Putin said, has gone "from one conflict to another without
achieving a fully-fledged solution to any of them."

Putin has repeatedly stressed Russia's peaceful intentions and desire
to focus on its economy and to avoid a new arms race. In his speech on
the 60th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany, Putin said: "I
am convinced that there is no alternative to our friendship and our
fraternity. With our closest neighbors and all countries of the world,
Russia is prepared to build a kind of relationship which is not only
based on lessons of the past but is also directed into a shared
future."

In his 2006 state of the nation speech, Putin noted that America's
military budget is 25 times larger than Russia's. He compared the Bush
Regime to a wolf who eats whom he wants without listening. Putin is
being demonized by US propagandists, because he insists upon Russia
being a politically and economically independent state Putin lashes
out at 'wolf-like' America, Guardian, May 11, 2006

The Bush Regime has taken the US outside the boundaries of
international law and is acting unilaterally, falsely declaring
American military aggression to be "defensive" and in the interests of
peace. Much of the world realizes the hypocrisy and danger in the Bush
Regime's justification of the unbridled use of US military power, but
no countries except other nuclear powers can challenge American
aggression, and then only at the risk of all life on earth.

The solution is nonmilitary challenge.

The Bush Regime's ability to wage war is dependent upon foreign
financing. The Regime's wars are financed with red ink, which means
the hundreds of billions of dollars must be borrowed. As American
consumers are spending more than they earn on consumption, the money
cannot be borrowed from Americans.

The US is totally dependent upon foreigners to finance its budget and
trade deficits. By financing these deficits, foreign governments are
complicit in the Bush Regime's military aggressions and war crimes.
The Bush Regime's two largest lenders are China and Japan. It is
ironic that Japan, the only nation to experience nuclear attack by the
US, is banker to the Bush Regime as it prepares a possible nuclear
attack on Iran.

If the rest of the world would simply stop purchasing US Treasuries,
and instead dump their surplus dollars into the foreign exchange
market, the Bush Regime would be overwhelmed with economic crisis and
unable to wage war. The arrogant hubris associated with the "sole
superpower" myth would burst like the bubble it is.

The collapse of the dollar would also end the US government's ability
to subvert other countries by purchasing their leaders to do America's
will.

The demise of the US dollar is only a question of time. It would save
the world from war and devastation if the dollar is brought to its
demise before the Bush Regime launches its planned attack on Iran.

COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

Paul Craig Roberts email him was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070211_putin.htm




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On Feb 13, 3:08 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 13-Feb-2007, "Radiogalaxy"  wrote:
>
> > A terrorist is an ignorant Muslim who straps a bomb vest and  blow it up
> > on
> > peaceful  civilians.
> > A terrorist is a filthy Muslim who kills his own brothers and sisters.
> > A terrorist is a stupid Muslim who drive a car bomb in a marketplace
> > killing
> > all Muzzie shoppers.
>
> You definitely don't have to be an Islamonazi to be a terrorist,
> but it is telling that most of the world's terrorists seem to be
> Islamonazis.
>
> Real Muslims aren't terrorists.
>
> Susan
IF YOU ADD THE NUMVBERS UP YOU WILL FIND THAT 99% OF TERRORIST MURDERS
IN THE WORLD WERE DONE BY THE AMERICAN TROOPS, THEIR PAID PUPPET
MERCENARIES, OR JEWS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >news:1171341423.622981.209160@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > Someone who stays and defends his country and people
>
> > >                                 OR
>
> > > Someone who invades another country and murders a million people in
> > > the process?





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On Feb 13, 12:14 am, drdave...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 12, 11:37 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:
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> > Someone who stays and defends his country and people
>
> >                                  OR
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> > Someone who invades another country and murders a million people in
> > the process?
>
> Not one day goes by without some form of terrorism committed by
> moslems against nonmoslems.

You are right not one day goes by without the US troops or their
puppets torturing, murdering, raping, and dismembering hundreds of
people. That is what I call TERRORISM




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U.S. helicopters mistakenly killed at least five allied Kurdish
militiamen in the northern city of Mosul early Friday. The US military
also reported three more American soldiers killed in combat, pushing
the U.S. death toll to 33 in the first eight days of the month.



Officials said the Kurds died about midnight as they guarded a branch
of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, a political party led by Iraqi
President Jalal Talabani. The U.S. army said the strike was launched
after US ground forces spotted armed men in a bunker near a building
they thought was being used to make bombs for al-Qaeda in Iraq.


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  The only reason any Jew would go to Israel, is because of the
freebies they get. Aside from thousands of dollars in "resettlement
money" Jews get deluxe homes, swimming pools, Philippino maids, Thai
gardeners, and they work if they want to, otherwise they can just lat
back and enjoy life. ALL ON THE BACKS OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS






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This is a common practice with ZioNazis to stage an attack on
prominent Zionists, in order to elicit sympathy for their "cause"!

SAN FRANCISCO - In a bizarre attack, a well-known author and Holocaust
scholar was dragged out of a San Francisco hotel elevator by an
apparent Holocaust denier who reportedly had been trailing him for
weeks.

Police escorted Elie Wiesel to San Francisco International Airport on
Feb. 1 after a man accosted Wiesel in the elevator at the Argent
Hotel, at 50 Third St., after Wiesel participated in a panel
discussion at a peace conference and before Wiesel was scheduled to
catch a flight back to New York.

Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author of more than 40 books,
including the memoir "Night," about his experiences at Auschwitz, won
the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. Last fall, the Boston University
professor was suggested as a possible replacement for Israeli
President Moshe Katsav, who faces sexual assault charges.

Police confirmed this week that the attack took place and that
officers escorted Wiesel to the airport following the attack.
According to police, the suspect accosted Wiesel in the hotel elevator
at around 6:30 p.m., saying he wanted to interview him. Wiesel said he
would do the interview in the lobby. That's when the attacker pulled
him out of the elevator, police reported.

In a posting Tuesday on the anti-Zionist Web site ZioPedia, a writer
using the name Eric Hunt takes credit for the attack: "After ensuring
no women would be traumatized by what I had to do (I had been trailing
Wiesel for weeks), I stopped the elevator at the sixth floor. I pulled
Wiesel out of the elevator. I said I wanted to interview him."

Wiesel grabbed at his chest and yelled for help, according to the
posting. "I told him, 'Why don't you want people to know the truth?'
His expression changed, and he began screaming again. ..." the posting
reads.Police reported that the suspect tried to force Wiesel into one
of the rooms, but ran away when Wiesel started yelling.

The online posting states that the writer intended to "bring Wiesel to
my hotel room where he would truthfully answer my questions regarding
the fact that his non-fiction Holocaust memoir, Night, is almost
entirely fictitious." Later in the posting, the Holocaust is portrayed
as a "myth."

Police haven't officially idenitifed a suspect, but a source close to
the investigation said Eric Hunt is the focus of their probe. Wiesel
was in town to speak at the RockRose Institute's World Conference
2007, Facing Violence, which addressed justice, religion and conflict
resolution, according to its press release. The conference included
former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Juan Mendez, adviser
to the U.N. secretary-general, in its list of speakers.

In 2006, Oprah Winfrey honored Elie Wiesel and 50 high school students
who wrote about the relevance of his account of the Holocaust in
"Night."






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Washington, D.C., January 26, 2007: "The GRU and other Russian-based
organs have completely penetrated the highest-level American codes
(including satellite transmissions) and have been reading our military
(DIA and Pentagon) and civilian (read CIA/USIA and other) messages
being sent from Iraq, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and Italy.


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>From this, I was told, and shown copies of intercepts, that Bush and
Israel are fomenting a new war in the Gulf area by either creating an
"incident" (casus belli) or instigating one.

There are US intelligence units (small) now operating under cover in
Iran and while the Iranians don't know the details, the Russians do.
If, as reported, Bush is going to off Iranians in Iraq, the U.S. units
in Iran will be offed as a quid pro quo. And videos of the executions
made for U.S. domestic consumption!

Both Russia and China have supplied Iran (and from them the Iraqi
Resistance people) with shaped charge small shoulder-held rockets that
will blow up the biggest tank and, as happened several days ago, the
biggest armored military helicopters?

The suggestion that Bush and Israel would attack Iran for his prestige
and their safety might interdict the vital oil China must have and so
the Chinese, too, have fully entered the game.

They don't keep the Russians courant.

The latter have also got agents planted with Israeli military and
intelligence organs in Israel and these supply Moscow with a heavy
stream of information concerning the Mideast political and military
situation and most especially, projects that might be of interest to
Russia and, through them, Iran. Any gen coming from the U.S. to Israel
ends up in Moscow almost simultaneously! Do much for the delusion that
secrets are secrets.

Anyway, the Mideast pot is coming to a boil and this parallels the
situation in Washington where Bush is facing growing, and entirely
predictable, rebellion from the newly-empowered Democrats.

Remember the proverb about the house built on sand? The winds came and
beat upon that house and it fell and great was the fall thereof? Nice
simile and so true! "


Iran has said it had identified 100 spies working for the United
States and Israel in border areas of the Islamic state.

"One hundred people who were directly working for the US and Israeli
intelligence ... who were intending to collect political and military
information were identified and are now in our intelligence net,"
Intelligence Minister Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejeie was quoted as
saying.

The minister added that a number of Iranians who wanted to take part
in spying courses abroad had also been arrested, the semi-official
Fars news agency reported Thursday.

"We were able to identify and arrest all those who wanted to take part
in espionage course abroad under the guise of taking part in
educational courses," Mohseni Ejeie said, without elaborating.

Early last month, Iranian MP Ahmad Tavakoli said that Iran had
arrested a spy working in parliament's research centre who had been
passing information on its nuclear programme to outlawed armed
opposition group, People's Mujahedeen.

Iranian authorities claim that the United States supports armed groups
in the country's border provinces, whose population includes Kurd,
Arab or Baluch ethnic minorities.

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He has never been to Europe, he has not lived under Nazi regime, he
has no idea what he is talking about. IN OTHER WORDS MC VAY IS A
BLOODY LIAR.

HE LIES LIKE A SKUNK

Most Jews that stayed behind after Nazi occupied countries became Nazi
supporters, and many joined Nazi party. Example Deputy chief of
gestapo in Belgrade was Vladimir Ostrovsky, a Jew.
The reason Nazis took some Jews to Germany because they knew that Jews
would work for them unquestioningly, and Jews did, The Messeschmidt
factory in Gyor Hungary employed Jews almost exclusively!

SO SUCK ON IT MCVAY, NANAIMO PEOPLE KNOW THE BASTARD FULL WELL. THEY
REGARD HIM AS A BUM AND A NO HOPER






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Israel, US sign homeland security pact
By REBECCA ANNA STOIL



Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter and his US counterpart,
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, signed a joint
memorandum in Washington DC on Wednesday evening, setting a series of
goals and terms for security collaboration between the two nations.

The joint understanding included partnership on flight security,
including passenger and cargo inspection and information sharing on
the topic of emergency planning, response, recovery and damage
control. The understanding also encompassed sharing of research and
development progress in the field of explosives detection.

In addition, Israel and the US will share information about steps
taken to neutralize, respond to and reduce terror and criminal
activities in specific fields and will also hold joint training and
staff exchanges.

Dichter had previously described the agreement as "a breakthrough
signing of an understandings agreement with the US for the war on
terror and establishing cooperation between the Internal Security
Ministry and the Department of Homeland Security."

Dichter, who is on a four-day diplomatic visit to North America, was
recently officially appointed as Israel's diplomatic counterpart to
Chertoff. The former Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) head is widely
recognized in Washington as an expert in counter-terrorism,
particularly following a nine-month stint as a fellow at the D.C.
Brookings Institute think tank.

A preliminary document signed by both Dichter and Chertoff took pains
to describe that "the meeting was held in a friendly and constructive
atmosphere and with a spirit of mutual understanding" and with
complete agreement "that there exists a vital need to promote
operational, scientific and technological cooperation between the
parties in the field of homeland security."

The two parties agreed that a Homeland Security Steering Committee
will meet at least once a year in order to make sure that the clauses
of the memorandum are carried out. The committee, which will be led by
Public Security Ministry Director Ronny Falk, was also tasked with
defining, setting forth and ratifying "broad, substantive priority
areas for the joint activities within the framework of the
memorandum." Specific desks will be set up at the nations' respective
embassies to make sure that the cooperation and information flows
freely.

The agreement builds upon an earlier agreement signed in 1996 which
outlined cooperation in preventing terror attacks, as well as an
agreement between the Defense Ministry and its US counterpart
discussing research and development in the war on terror.

"Iran is the largest terrorist state in the world" Dichter said late
Tuesday night to members of the public security committee of the
Canadian parliament. Moving from discussing geopolitics to talking
shop with the Canadian lawmakers, Dichter laid out what he believes to
be the guidelines for Canadian-Israeli security cooperation in the
future, possibly similar to the agreement that the minister signed a
day later in Washington DC.

The Canadian MPs echoed their American compatriots in addressing the
former Shin Bet head as a world expert in the field of terror rather
than as a visiting minister of a foreign government, asking him at one
point what specific steps the parliament could take to prevent terror
attacks on Canadian soil.

In his answer, Dichter reiterated the importance of strengthening
border security and use of proper investigative methods with suspects.
But the minister, who spent almost a year as a research fellow in the
US, also emphasized that democratic countries - Israel among them -
had to work hard to find the appropriate balance between respect for
human rights and investigative procedures. He cited the example of
transparency of the investigation as dependent on oversight of the
judicial system, as well as the oversight of groups such as the Red
Cross.

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    WASHINGTON - Jimmy Carter has accused an international Jewish
human rights group of "falsehood and slander" for launching a petition
that resulted in thousands of signatures being sent to the former
president in protest of his controversial book about the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict.

    "I don't believe Simon Wiesenthal would have resorted to falsehood
and slander to raise funds," Carter wrote last month in a handwritten
letter to the head of the human rights center that bears the name of
the late Holocaust survivor and Nazi hunter. The petition does not
require payment to be sent, though Carter's letter suggests it is
being used as a fundraising tool.

    "I believe that Simon Wiesenthal would have been as outraged by
your book, 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,' as I was," Rabbi Marvin
Hier, dean and founder of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal
Center, wrote in a Feb. 2 response to Carter.

The UberJews like the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal are the ones who have
made their own people the subject of attack for generations.

This time, they thought they were safe from all criticism because of
their media control.

Now they have overplayed their hand with the smear campaign against
President Carter, giving everyone a glimpse at the levers of power
weilded by the Zionofascists.

They are panicking because they are aware of their own criminality and
the fate that will justly befall them when their wall of lies
crumbles.

Facilitating genocide and wars that threaten the world are some of the
charges against them.

The tide is beginning to turn on this cabal that infests governments
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You can call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard toll-free: (800) 828-0498,
459-1887 or 614-2803; 24/7!

Carol Korreck: A Soldier's Mother Challenges Anyone Who Will Listen
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Tue, 02/06/2007 - 2:39pm. Reader
Contribution A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION by Carol Korreck

President Bush keeps insisting America needs to "support the troops."
What exactly is it that shows support?

Extending tours of duty? Sending soldiers into battle without the
proper training and equipment? There is much information to document
the shortages - one can Google the recently released Inspector General
audit reports to get the details. The extended tours and "back door
drafts" are common practice and common knowledge.

Maybe I am beyond frustration, because I do not understand the
complacency of "patriotic Americans."

While many sat glued to their television sets on March 19, 2003 and
watched the media orgy of "shock and awe" carefully orchestrated with
embedded journalists (only allowed to show what would boost public
support for the illegal and immoral preemptive war) - I sat
dumbfounded, wondering how we had gone from the president saying all
diplomatic and peaceful means would be exhausted, to this horrendous
display of unprovoked violence and murder.

I couldn't lose interest after a few days like the general public did.
My 21-year-old son was somewhere in the chaos, crammed in a bradlee -
little food water or sleep for days as the soldiers made their way
>from Kuwait to Baghdad.

Maybe that's why I am dismayed that nothing is being done to stop a
man who is not a dictator, and is not a king, and yet is allowed to
continue to play "good guy-bad guy," but with real life flesh and
blood soldiers, not with little plastic toy soldiers.

These are our sons, daughters wives and husbands. They bleed. They
die. Millions of Americans who say they "support the troops" remain so
detached from the day to day horrors of this war and occupation that
they are ambivalent to the politics responsible for 3100 American
deaths.

On May 29, 2006 a record 63.5 million people called or sent a text
message to vote for the new "American Idol." While they were casting
their votes, Cpl. Jeremy M. Loveless, 25, of Estacada, Ore., died in
Mosul, Iraq. He was shot by a sniper during a mission as a medic with
the 4th Platoon, A Company, Task force 2-1. He was maintaining
security on a Stryker vehicle. Jeremy left behind a wife and 4-year-
old daughter.

Also on May 29, Capt. James A. Funkhouser, 35, of Katy, Texas, died in
Baghdad, Iraq, of injuries sustained when a vehicle-borne improvised
explosive device detonated near his HMMWV during reconnaissance patrol
operations. Funkhouser was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 12th
Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood,
Texas. Alex left behind a wife and two young daughters. His wife
voiced this concern:

I know Alex is just one of many, but maybe his death has and will
force others to stop and notice when another soldier dies instead of
barely paying attention to it in the news.

I think that we are all starting to become immune to all of the death
there and everywhere else. Iraq has been in our lives for the past few
years and the deaths just don't seem to be as important now. Please
don't let that happen. Take time to notice another soldier fallen.
Remember Alex and know that the next soldier is probably someone just
like him. Bobby Muller, a Vietnam veteran who founded "Veterans for
America," posted an article in January and one of his points was this:

There's an increasing bitterness among military members about the
disconnect between American society itself and their experience of
war. They're putting their lives on the line, sometimes day after day,
but for society at large, it's like there's no war going on.
Supporting our troops means getting our elected officials to represent
America - not protect their political paychecks. Congress needs to
hear loudly and clearly and repeatedly that Americans do not support
an escalation.

The majority of Americans no longer support the war. (And may I
suggest that those that still do support the war enlist, or encourage
their loved ones to enlist and therefore demonstrate their true
patriotism instead of just being armchair warriors.) If 63.5 million
people could grab a phone to vote for their "Idol," certainly we can
rally to call our elected officials and demand that they listen and
take action.

I don't care who is running for office in 2008 and how the war will
affect their election efforts. I do care about the 3100 soldiers
already dead in this war.

There is enough money already in the budget to bring them home safely.
They need real support. Today.

President Bush has never listened to anyone about pre-war planning or
post war planning or the futility of a "troop surge." He has no
military experience. He does not listen to those who do. He is not an
expert on the Middle East. He does not listen to those who are.

He wants to "win." He wants to be a "hero." He is a coward, so he
hides behind his "support the troops" banner so he can guilt people
into submission.

Wake up America. Look in the mirror - motivate yourself! You are one,
but united we are many! Tell yourself you CAN support the troops by
getting them out of the middle of a civil war that they cannot win.
Their lives depend on you and me - they have been fulfilling their
duty as combat soldiers for almost four years now. We need to fulfill
our duty as citizens of the United States who demand our military be
used as intended - to defend our country.

Every day Bush gets to carry on with his dilusional "visions of
grandeur," the results of his abuse of power are being sent home in
flag-draped coffins.

Enough is enough.

Pick up the phone. Call your representatives. Write your local
newspapers. Call your neighbors. Tell them to call their
representatives. Bush is asking for record amounts for his war budget.
It's time to say "No."

A people united can accomplish great things! Believe you can make a
difference and get active about reversing the course of action our
leaders have chosen for our military and for our tax dollars.

Today.

Now!

You can call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121 and ask for
your senator's and representative's office.

Carol Korreck Whiteland, IN






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 FREE SAMI AL ARAIAN, THE VICTIM OF THE ZIONIST TORTURERS

This highly qualified computer scientist, who has taught many
Americans this science, is being held under inhuman conditions, even
though he has been found  not guilty of all charges.

Is this the American justice? Is this that5 "democracy" Shrub is
trying to sell to Arabs?

Is this in accordance with the Constitution of Unitad States, to
torture an innocent man?

Sami Al Arian, father of five, is now on hunger strike, and should be
released in accordance with the plea agreement he entered into with
the Justice Department of United States.

Please write to your Congressman, your Senator, your representative,
no matter in what cvountry you live in and demand justice for Sami Al-
Arian.

Also please write to this political prisoner of USA:

Contact Info

Email Tampa Bay Coalition for Justice and Peace:
tampabayjust...@yahoo.com

To write to Dr. Sami Al-Arian:
Sami Al-Arian (#19638)
Northern Neck Regional Jail
P.O. Box 1060
Warsaw, VA 22572






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U.S. checking reports Chinook down in Iraq
Reuters
Wednesday, February 7, 2007; 5:23 AM


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said it was checking reports
that a helicopter, possibly a Chinook transport aircraft, had either
crashed or made an emergency landing near Baghdad on Wednesday.

An Iraqi policeman who had been to the area northwest of Baghdad told
Reuters he had seen wreckage on the ground. One witness who said he
saw the helicopter come down also said he had seen wreckage.


U.S. soldiers had moved in to secure the area, witnesses said.

"We have heard about this ... but I cannot confirm anything at this
stage," said Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Garver, a U.S. military
spokesman in Baghdad.

The U.S. military said on Sunday it was adjusting its tactics in Iraq
after four helicopters were shot down over a two-week period.

Those helicopters were shot down in four separate incidents in which
21 U.S. servicemen and private security contractors were killed.
Dozens of U.S. helicopters have come down, some hit by missiles or
gunfire, in four years of fighting in Iraq.

But the high number lost in such a short time had raised questions
about whether militants had changed tactics or were using more
sophisticated weapons.

At least two witnesses said they saw the helicopter, which they
described as a twin-rotor Chinook, come down on Wednesday amid gunfire
>from the ground. Some witnesses said they saw smoke before the
helicopter went down, while others said they had not seen any.

The Chinook has two crew and can carry up to 55 passengers. They are
used widely to transport troops and cargo around Iraq.


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It is interesting the Telegraph.co.uk, "Lord" Conrad Black's online
version of a neocon newspaper, would publish a story admitting that
the Joint Support Group, described as "a cell from a small and
anonymous British Army unit," manages "covert human intelligence
sources or agents," including double agents, that is to say the Brits
are engaged in terrorist operations, as long suspected.

"During the Irish Troubles, the JSG operated under the cover name of
the Force Research Unit (FRU), which between the early 1980s and the
late 1990s managed to penetrate the very heart of the IRA. By
targeting and then 'turning' members of the paramilitary organization
with a variety of 'inducements'" ranging from blackmail to bribes, the
FRU operators developed agents at virtually every command level within
the IRA," explains Sean Rayment.

Even a dullard, armed with the appropriate search criteria and Google,
can put two and two together in short order and discover that much of
the terrorism in Northern Ireland was orchestrated by FRU and the
British government, including the despicable "human bomb" technique,
that is to say "forcing civilians to drive vehicles laden with
explosives into army checkpoints," according to the Guardian.

Naturally, all of this shines a new light on the two British SAS
operatives caught in Basra, driving around in a car loaded with
explosives and disguised as Arabs back in 2005.

Assassinating Irish civilians was part and parcel of "an intelligence
operation which had been sanctioned at the highest levels of the
British Army and the British Security Service, MI5," according to Ed
Moloney, writing for the Sunday Tribune.

In addition to outright murder, British intelligence encouraged
torture. Robert Stevens describes the UDA as "a fascistic, loyalist
paramilitary organization," infamous for running death squads.

Sunday Telegraph documents "confirm that as the UDA's primary
intelligence officer Brian Nelson passed on the names, photographs and
addresses of suspected IRA members from Army Intelligence records to
UDA gunmen and that he carried out assassinations under army
direction." Patrick Finucane was apparently murdered by a FRU
sanctioned death squad. The Belfast solicitor was gunned down before
his wife and children.

"Beginning in the 1980s the highly secretive FRU was sent into
Northern Ireland to recruit and train double agents to work inside the
paramilitary groups," writes Michael S. Rose. "The FRU combated IRA
terrorism by the use of paid informers, blackmail, ambushes, and other
methods not approved by the Geneva Convention. In the worst case,
British officers decided that in cases when it would be difficult to
bring suspected IRA terrorists to justice by legitimate means, the FRU
would enlist outlawed guerilla groups that possessed both the desire
and the means to murder the IRA men. According to Stevens Three, the
FRU assisted Protestant terrorists in carrying out what were, in
effect, proxy assassinations of Catholics. In order to forge such
alliances, the British officers had to overlook the fact that the
interests of the Protestant death squads were not those of the United
Kingdom and its government."

In Iraq, the "JSG is the coalition's secret weapon," a defense source
told the Telegraph. "Their job is to recruit and run covert human
intelligence sources or agents-we never use the term informer. The
Americans are in awe of the unit because they have nothing like them
within their military."
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=751






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