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Fears over Haiti child 'abuse'
A BBC investigation commissioned as part of Generation Next - a week of
programmes focusing on people under 18 - has uncovered fresh
allegations of the sexual abuse of children by United Nations
peacekeepers. Mike Williams reports from Port au Prince, Haiti.

Reporter Mike Williams interviews a young girl
This 16-year-old tells Mike Williams about the alleged rape by a
Brazilian serviceman

The heavily armoured United Nations patrol rolls through the dusty
streets of Cite Soleil - the most dangerous and deprived part of a very
dangerous and deprived country.

UN peacekeepers crouch low in the turrets of the armoured cars, their
rifles tracking the rooftops and alleyways. They come under fire every
day in this part of the capital, Port au Prince.

The week before I arrived, two of the peacekeepers were killed there.

Exploitation

There are about 9000 peacekeepers in the UN mission to Haiti, most of
them soldiers who come from 19 different nations. Most of them have
come to help. They work hard in dangerous conditions to bring security
and aid to the desperate people.


"He held me down by the arms and held both my wrists, twisting them
back and we struggled together
16-year-old girl

UN troops face abuse claims
But there are some peacekeepers who are willing to use their advantages
to exploit some of the most vulnerable people in this troubled society.

I spoke to a 14-year-old girl who told of the peacekeeper who offered
her jelly, sweets and a few dollars for sex with her and her friend - a
child of just 11 years.

Half of the population of Haiti struggle to survive on just a dollar a
day and the streets are filled with people selling whatever they can to
raise a little cash. At nighttime, those who have nothing to sell, sell
themselves.

Among the UN soldiers and civilians, they can find willing buyers. One
UN official told me that a great many of the girls who work the streets
are children and, in the dark streets of the capital Port-au-Prince, we
watched UN officials picking up young prostitutes and driving off with
them.

'Betrayal'

Sarah Martin, of Refugees International, has studied the problem in UN
missions across the world.

Reporter Mike Williams interviews a young girl
Mike Williams talks to a 14-year-old who was offered food and $20 in
return for sex (face blurred)
"To prey upon the very populations that you are sent to protect is one
of the worst forms of violation and betrayal that there is," she says.

Sarah (not her real name) is a fragile looking girl of 16. She says
that two years ago, she was raped by a Brazilian soldier serving with
the UN mission there.

She stared at the ground while we talked and, almost in a whisper, she
explained what happened: "He held me down by the arms and held both my
wrists, twisting them back and we struggled together. And then he raped
me."

Her mother cried while she recalled that day: "When I found her I
didn't recognise my own child," she says. "She had the face of a dead
person - I started to cry out, she couldn't tell me what had happened."

The family have been seeking justice from the United Nations but
officials at the local UN mission say that justice was done. Three
internal inquiries found there was insufficient evidence against the
man and he was sent back to his unit in Brazil.

Immunity

Soldiers serving with the UN have immunity from local laws and it's up
to their home countries to discipline them. More often than not,
they're simply repatriated and the UN has little information about
what, if anything, happens to them then.


All of our missions are in areas that are economically deprived...
where habits like prostitution of very young children is seen as a
matter of course
Jane Holl Lute, assistant secretary-general for peacekeeping operations
"The UN has to be absolutely vigilant that those troops that are
conducting these practices are dismissed," says Anna Jefferys of Save
The Children. "It has to ensure that those member states that are
deploying these troops are somehow shamed within the UN system so that
the stigma becomes too big to do it again."

The UN is holding a conference in New York on Monday 4 December, at
which officials will hear from victims, NGO workers and researchers in
the field.

The assistant secretary-general for peacekeeping operations, Jane Holl
Lute, says they need find ways to control the exploitation and she
admits that the organisation has a very serious problem.

"My operating presumption that this is either an ongoing or potential
problem in every single one of our missions," she says.

"All of our missions are in areas that are economically deprived, where
societies have been torn by conflict and war, where habits like
prostitution of very young children is seen as a matter of course.

"We need to bring every resource we can to bear to make that not the
case when a peacekeeping mission is in place."

Ms Lute said the UN's inability to impose punishments was a shortcoming
in the system and she admitted that the organisation does not have a
system of justice that everyone would recognise as fair and equitable.

Sarah, the girl who claims she was raped by a peacekeeper would
probably agree.

You can listen to this programme on the World Service on Thursday 30
November at 20.05 GMT.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Palestinian Arab Nazis #6
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dsharavii@hotmail.com wrote:
> APPENDICES
>
> 1. Record of the Mufti's meeting with Hitler
> 2. The Mufti's diary from the meeting with Hitler
> 3. The Mufti asks a ban on Jewish emigration

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT SCHNOOZLES HAD A RIGHT
TO PALESTINE?

PALESTINE IS FOR PALESTINIANS NOT FOR THE BLOODY JEWS!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: ADL IS THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF HATE, BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATION
Date: 30 Nov 2006 20:28:33 -0800
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 ON THE PLANET EARTH.

ALL ADL DOES IS PROMOTE THE ANTI MUSLIM AND FRO ZIONIST PROPAGANDA THAT
IS ALL!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Christmas - not Happy Holidays - remains a big deal
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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> As always, you can tell the magnitude of a bigot's lies by
> how many times he morphs his nym to avoid killfiles.
>
> Susan
 WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT ANYBODY GIVES A SHIT IF YOU READ THEIR PIECE
OR NOT?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:19 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: ISRAELI DEFECATION FIEND KILLS PALESTINIAN GETS TWO WEEKS IN THE POKEY
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IDF soldier gets two weeks in military prison for shooting Palestinian
By Amira Hass, Haaretz Correspondent

An Israel Defense Forces soldier, who shot and seriously injured a
Palestinian at a roadblock, was sentenced to 14 days in a military
prison. Military Police will investigate further.

The soldier shot Haytem Yasin, 25, on November 4, at the roadblock of
Asira al-Shemaliya. Yasin is being treated at Beilinson hospital in
Petah Tikva, where he is in serious condition as a result of major
abdominal injuries.

According to testimonies collected by the human rights group B'Tselem,
Yasin was shot after he told the soldiers that they should not ask
women to run their hands over their bodies as a means of searching for
concealed arms.

Military sources told Haaretz that the investigation at the brigade
level was completed earlier this week, and a probe was carried out on
Thursday at the divisional level based on the evidence collected in the
first investigation. It was also decided that the case would be
transferred to the Military Police for further examination.

According to a senior military source, the trial of the soldier by a
disciplinary court would prevent bringing him before a court martial.

The details of the incident collected by B'Tselem suggest that the
soldier pushed Yasin in response to his comment, and Yasin pushed the
soldier back. The soldier then hit Yasin, and two other soldiers joined
the fracas, trying to grab Yasin, and hit him, while Yasin tried
resisting. At some point the soldiers fired in the air and on the
ground. Even after Yasin fell to the ground, they grabbed and threw him
against the cement blocks used to make a roadblock. He was cuffed and
the soldiers continued to hit and kick him.

Yasin had been living with his parents in Algeria, and came to visit
for several months. When his parents learned of the injuries their son
had suffered, they returned to the territories.

LINK



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 TELLING ME:
IDF soldier gets two weeks in military prison for shooting Palestinian
By Amira Hass, Haaretz Correspondent

An Israel Defense Forces soldier, who shot and seriously injured a
Palestinian at a roadblock, was sentenced to 14 days in a military
prison. Military Police will investigate further.

The soldier shot Haytem Yasin, 25, on November 4, at the roadblock of
Asira al-Shemaliya. Yasin is being treated at Beilinson hospital in
Petah Tikva, where he is in serious condition as a result of major
abdominal injuries.

According to testimonies collected by the human rights group B'Tselem,
Yasin was shot after he told the soldiers that they should not ask
women to run their hands over their bodies as a means of searching for
concealed arms.

Military sources told Haaretz that the investigation at the brigade
level was completed earlier this week, and a probe was carried out on
Thursday at the divisional level based on the evidence collected in the
first investigation. It was also decided that the case would be
transferred to the Military Police for further examination.

According to a senior military source, the trial of the soldier by a
disciplinary court would prevent bringing him before a court martial.

The details of the incident collected by B'Tselem suggest that the
soldier pushed Yasin in response to his comment, and Yasin pushed the
soldier back. The soldier then hit Yasin, and two other soldiers joined
the fracas, trying to grab Yasin, and hit him, while Yasin tried
resisting. At some point the soldiers fired in the air and on the
ground. Even after Yasin fell to the ground, they grabbed and threw him
against the cement blocks used to make a roadblock. He was cuffed and
the soldiers continued to hit and kick him.

Yasin had been living with his parents in Algeria, and came to visit
for several months. When his parents learned of the injuries their son
had suffered, they returned to the territories.

LINK



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Nuclear Chief Says All Russian Polonium is Shipped to U.S.

Created: 01.12.2006 12:53 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 13:12 MSK, 3 hours 14
minutes ago

MosNews

Russian nuclear energy chief stated officially that a radioactive
element of Polonium 210 which had caused death of former FSB agent
Alexander Litvinenko could not be obtained illegally in Russia, the
Reuters news agency reported Friday.

Traces of polonium have also been found in several passenger aircraft
and at several places in London, some of which Alexander Litvinenko
-- a fierce critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin -- visited
before his death. In his last note, made public by friends after his
death, Litvinenko said Putin was behind his murder. The Kremlin and
Russian secret services have denied any connection with his death.

The head of Russia's state atomic energy agency Rosatom, Sergei
Kiriyenko, told the government daily Rossiiskaya Gazeta that Russia
produces only 8 grams of Polonium 210 a month. "All this amount goes
to U.S. companies through a single authorised supplier, Tekhsnabexport
company," the newspaper quoted Kiriyenko as saying.

Kiriyenko refused to say how polonium was produced, but said nuclear
reactors like the Russian RMBK or the Canadian CANDU were needed to
make it.

"In Russia all nuclear reactors, including those used for research,
are government property tightly controlled by federal authorities,"
he said.



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  It is not only Islam that would feel offended by some actions of
other religious groups in a mosque. There are at least 250 other
religions in this world which would reject the denigration of their
faith by anyone.

Look at England and Ireland which have been at loggerheads about faith
for 450 years!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> >Salah Jafar wrote:
> > Allen Berg was a criminal Zionist propagandist.  They should of killed him by putting his ass in the Gas chamber.
> >
> > SJ
>
> If there is anyone that should be killed it is you Jafar with a
> injection of gopher piss.

Cut it out kike. If you are in this great country you can get arrested
swiftly for s aying what you just said



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Questions about the Holocaust
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anndt@uni.edu wrote:
> Dear Sir and Madam:
>
> I am a student at the University of Northern Iowa, and I am very
> interested in Holocaust denial.  I am writing a journalistic report
> about this topic.  I would appreciate it if you could provide your
> insights about this topic answering the following questions.  Please
> note that by providing me your insights, your responses remain
> confidential and your identity remains anonymous.  Please send your
> responses to my e-mail address at anndt@uni.edu by Wednesday, December
> 6, 2006.  If you have any questions about this inquiry, please feel
> free to contact my instructor Dr. Sarina Chen at sarina.chen@uni.edu,
> TEL: 310-273-6021.  Thank you.
>
>
> 1. What evidence do you have to prove the holocaust didn't happen?
> 2.  Has a person of Jewish faith ever offended you?
> 3. What is your religion?
> 4. Are you parents that same religion?
> 5. Do you know any Jewish people?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> A. Terel
> Dept. of Communication Studies
> University of Northern Iowa

Even the most ardent revisionist such as Irving or Zundel DOES NOT DENY
THAT HOLOCAUST HAPPENED. wHAT THEY DENY IS THAT SIX MILLION jEWS WERE
KILLED DURING THE hOLOCAUST. tHEY ALSO DENY THAT there were six million
jews
in Europe at the time of Hitler.

Amazingly enough, it is a well known fact that at least 10 million
Russians were slaughtered by the Nazis between 1939-1945, or starved to
death, and yet this little fact does not concern the world and the Jews
at all, just the tale of the SIX MILLION!

Another little fact that escapes the knowledge of the world due to the
ZioNazi propaganda is the fact that close to 100 million Russians were
slaughtered in the gulags between 1917 and 1960, by the Bolsheviks,
MOST OF WHOM WERE JEWS!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Noisy wrote:
> Mongols, privet.
>
> I cried my eyes out.
> http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/November/20%20o/Swedish%20human%20rights%20worker,%20Tove%20Johansson,%20viciously%20attacked%20by%20Israeli%20settler%20in%20Hebron%20By%20Henry%20Norr.htm
>
>
> Not representative at all, and I do
> know from personal experience how embraced Israeli tourists feel about it
> over here,
>
>
> Before I begin I would like to say a few kind words about the Australian
> Jewish community.
>
> Well, in short,
>
> these cunts are even more fucked in the brains than I am.
>
> Extreme disobedient anarchists, I had a ball working for a Jew.
>
> I drunk and I smocked to my heart while perving on a sexy Palestinian chick
>
> employed by my Jewish boss.
>
> Excellent payers and good to do business with.
>
> I am not saying this out of fear or some other shit, you know me better.
>
> Some of the worst anti-Semitic jokes I've said in their company, and I've
> learned allot more from them (Jews) too.:-)
>
> Jews over here look pretty much like us
> Nordic Mongols (most of them are Russians) and for some weird reason they
> are obsessed with helping Russians and other Scandinavians.
>
> Here I met allot of blond Finnish savages at work and it feels good to be
> amongst your own.
>
> So  just because some cunt posted some message doesn't mean that other
> idiots like him have to throw bottles at
> backpacking teenagers who are only trying to help.
>
> I will be back with more in short while.

Hey ratbag! Did you ever suck plonk with a Jew under the King street
bridge?



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Bush to meet Iraqi Shi'ite leader on Monday

01 Dec 2006 17:37:12 GMT

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush will hold
White House talks with a top leader of Iraq's majority Shi'ites on
Monday, days after having met Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in
Jordan, the White House said.

Talks with Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, head of the Islamist SCIRI movement,
appeared to signal more direct engagement by Bush to calm sectarian
violence in Iraq that many believe already constitutes civil war.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WBT006238.htm


Iraqi Shiite with Iran ties to visit Bush

POSTED: 12:47 p.m. EST, December 1, 2006


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) - Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, a top Iraqi Shiite leader
with close ties to Iran, will travel soon to Washington to meet with
President Bush, the White House confirmed Friday.

Al-Hakim leads the powerful Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in
Iraq, a rival group to the political movement led by firebrand Shiite
cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said the meeting
was set for Monday.

"President Bush looks forward to an exchange of views and a discussion
of important issues facing Iraq today," Johndroe said.

The visit comes against a backdrop of deadly Sunni-Shiite sectarian
warfare in Iraq that has led some observers to say a civil war has
engulfed the country.

Bush returned from a summit Thursday with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri
al-Maliki in Jordan focusing on the deteriorating security situation.

Al-Hakim and Bush will discuss the political crisis in Iraq, said
al-Hakim's aide, Haitham Husseini.

But Husseini declined to discuss whether the Washington visit would
mark the beginning of a dialogue between the United States and Iran.
The Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq also has closes
ties with neighboring Iran.

There are 'big issues to be discussed" and "Iraqis welcome any effort
>from neighboring countries to be part of the effort to bring peace to
Iraq," Husseini said.

In the past, Bush has accused Iran of providing material support to
Iraq's insurgency. The administration has resisted calls for diplomacy
with the Iranians.

He said the invitation came months ago in a Bush phone call to
al-Hakim, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rica mentioned it again
during her last trip to Iraq.

Bush called al-Hakim in February to express his condolences and support
following the bombing of a revered Shiite shrine in Samarra, north of
Baghdad. Outrage about the attack sparked increased sectarian violence
in Iraq.

Al-Hakim's and al-Sadr's movements, along with al-Maliki's Dawa Party,
are part of the United Iraqi Alliance, Iraq's Shiite-led ruling party.

Al-Sadr's supporters struck a blow to the Iraqi prime minister's
political standing this week when they announced they were suspending
participation in the government because of al-Maliki's Jordan summit
with Bush, a meeting they vehemently opposed. (Full story)

The group - which has 30 parliament members and six Cabinet ministers
- set demands for the ending of its government boycott, in particular
a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawal.

Along with this boycott, the al-Sadr people announced intentions to
form a cross-sectarian alliance with others - Sunnis, Christians,
Kurds and Turkmens.

Such a shift in political allegiance could create big political changes
in Iraq.

The prime minister got his job earlier this year in part with the
support of the United States and al-Sadr, whose Mehdi Army militia is
thought to be behind much of the sectarian attacks.

Al-Sadr's group and the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq
differ on the key of federalism. The latter favors a Shiite autonomous
region in the south, while al-Sadr's people oppose this position,
taking the same stance as Sunnis.

Al-Maliki said Thursday he believed Iraqi forces would be ready by June
2007 to take full control of security in Iraq, an issue on which he
pressed Bush during their Jordan meeting. (Full story)

CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/01/iraq.main/index.html?section=cnn_latest



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Why is it a blow? Most Turks do not care if Turkey joins EU or not. In
fact the opposition to the move in Turkey is growing. Pope, may Allah
bless him,is fair, kind individual, and I doubt if he has any influence
on whether Turkey joins EU or not. None at all!

Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> November 30, 2006
>
> MEDIA BLOW IT BIG TIME:
> POPE DID NOT CHANGE STAND ON TURKEY AND EU
>
> Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented as follows:
>
> "It is one of most embarrassing journalistic blunders to have occurred
> in some time. All the news reports which said that Pope Benedict XVI now
> supports the admission of Turkey into the European Union were wrong. He
> never said any such thing. Here is what happened.
>
> "Yesterday, the headline of a front-page article in the New York Times
> read, 'In Reversal, Pope Backs Turkey's Bid to Join European Union.' It
> quoted Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan's comment that the pope told him
> that 'we wish for Turkey's entry into the E.U.' The problem is that the
> pope's version of what he allegedly said was nowhere reported, and
> that's because he never commented on the brief conversation that was
> held at the airport. But now he has spoken. Here is a quote made today
> by the pope and Patriarch Bartholomew in their 'Common Declaration':
>
>         We have viewed positively the process that has led
> to the formation of the European Union. Those engaged in this great
> project should not fail to take into consideration all aspects affecting
> the inalienable rights of the human person, especially religious
> freedom....In every step towards unification, minorities must be
> respected, with their cultural traditions and the distinguishing
> features of their religion.
>
> "In other words, Pope Benedict XVI has not flip-flopped: admission of
> Turkey into the European Union is conditioned on its willingness to
> respect the religious rights of minorities (something it has failed to
> do).
>
> "The most accurate journalistic source was Bloomberg News. The most
> accurately worded editorial appears in today's  Philadelphia Inquirer.
> The most flagrantly inaccurate editorial is in today's Newsday:
> 'Tuesday, he [the pope] admitted he was wrong and reversed his stance,
> offering full support to Turkey in its long-stalled efforts to join the
> EU.'
>
> "There is more than carelessness involved here. Some hate the Catholic
> Church so much they can't wait to try to prove the pope wrong. Looks
> like the Holy Father got the last laugh." 
>



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Michael Ejercito wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Iamhere wrote:
> > > Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God wrote:
> > > > Christianity is the Law of Love for God and the Neighbor, all the rest
> > > > is the Crime of hatred or Criminality
> > > ========================================================================
> > > In the name of Christ, more people have been murdered in world history
> > > than over anyone or anything else. If "turn the other cheek" philosophy
> > > is correct, then why didn't we kiss the Taliban leaders after 9/11
> > > instead of going to Afghanistan to kill them?
> >
> > Neither Taliban nor any other muslim had anything to do with 911 !
>    So then Osama bin Laden and Mohammed Atta were WHAT?

Just a Jewish tale. 911 was never investigated nor will it be
investigated because it was an insiude job!
> 
>    Scientologists?
> 
> 
>  Michael



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From: "Venceremos" 
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zr wrote:
> They don't denigrate each others faith. They argue over rights and land.
shit yeah they have been killing each other for 400 years because they
love each other
>
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1165001591.717361.282140@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >  It is not only Islam that would feel offended by some actions of
> > other religious groups in a mosque. There are at least 250 other
> > religions in this world which would reject the denigration of their
> > faith by anyone.
> >
> > Look at England and Ireland which have been at loggerheads about faith
> > for 450 years!
> >



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 http://www.ziopedia.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:22 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: POPE VISITS, PRAYS AT ISTANBUL MOSQUE
Date: 1 Dec 2006 21:32:25 -0800
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zr wrote:
> Isn't that the famous Blue Mosque that was built over a Christian Church
> when Istanbul was the world seat of Christianity.

WHAT A FUCKING UNEDUCATED JEW MORON!

Haghia Sofia is the church in which Venetian Crusaders slaughtered
350,000 Eastern Christians, whom they considered infidels. The floor of
the church was covered in blood so that the Crusader's horses slipped
and fell amongst the thousands of dead Christians. Will Durant!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: 'Lost Jewish Tribe' From India Arrives in Israel
Date: 2 Dec 2006 04:56:56 -0800
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NG2000 wrote:
> http://www.ng2000.com/news.php?tp=jewish
>
> Carmiel, Israel (CNSNews.com) - Moved by the desire to fulfill ancient
> Biblical prophecies and undaunted by bureaucratic stumbling blocks and
> security concerns in a volatile Middle East, more than 200 members of a
> "lost" Jewish tribe have arrived in Israel from India.

There is no limit to the idiocy of Jews!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: 150,000 JEWS SERVED ADOLF - Plus More than 53 COLLABORATEURS!! Repost
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Tilly wrote:
> zr wrote:
> > Pure Bullshit.
> > Don't waste your time on this idiotic drivel.
> >
>
> Ben Cramer has posted this nonsense before  and knows full well that with
> very few exceptions they were only Jews according to Hitlers definition, not
> the Jewsih definition which is what counts.

They would qualify for the Right of return, today, that makes them Jews!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: U.N. VOTE FOR PALESTINE SEVEN TIMES 157 TO 7
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UNITED NATIONS - The General Assembly approved Friday night six
pro-Palestinian resolutions over U.S. and Israeli objections,
culminating in the world body's declaration of backing the
Palestinians' right to an independent state.

In the key resolution on the "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of
Palestine," the General Assembly welcomed the November 26 cease-fire in
Gaza and urged both sides to maintain the truce which it said could
pave the way for negotiations towards a solution to the conflict.

At the end of three days of speeches, the 192-member world body on
Friday reaffirmed the UN's responsibility regarding the Palestinian
question and stressed the Palestinian peoples' right to
self-determination and an independent state.


The Palestinian UN observer, Riyad Mansour, said the vote - 157 to 7
with 10 abstentions - showed massive support in the international
community for moving forward on the peace process.

In a separate resolution topping 150 "yes" votes declared any attempt
to impose Israel's laws, jurisdiction and administration on Jerusalem
illegal, and therefore null and void. It was approved by a vote of
157-6 with 10 abstentions.

Two other resolutions called on Israel to withdraw from the Palestinian
territories in the West Bank and from the Golan Heights.

The resolutions are not legally binding - as Security Council
resolutions are - but they are a reflection of world opinion. Each of
the six resolution received more than 100 "yes" votes. The United
States, Israel, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, and Palau voted
against all six resolutions.

U.S. diplomat Ned Siegel opposed the Golan Heights resolution, saying
it prejudged the outcome of negotiations between Israel and Syria.

He accused Syria of using the General Assembly "to direct accusations
at Israel even as it flaunts a number of Security Council resolutions
... with its refusal to treat Lebanon as a genuinely sovereign
country."

"We would like to reiterate our alarm at indications that Syria is
working with Hezbollah and other Lebanese allies to destabilize the
democratically elected Government of Lebanon," Siegel said.

Syria's UN Ambassador Bashar Ja'afari accused the U.S. of using its
veto in the Security Council to protect its Israeli friends and prevent
them from complying with UN resolutions.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/795347.html



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Palestinians, the Land is yours, God knows no Jewish nation.
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 And so says the United Nations:

UNITED NATIONS - The General Assembly approved Friday night six
pro-Palestinian resolutions over U.S. and Israeli objections,
culminating in the world body's declaration of backing the
Palestinians' right to an independent state.

In the key resolution on the "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of
Palestine," the General Assembly welcomed the November 26 cease-fire in
Gaza and urged both sides to maintain the truce which it said could
pave the way for negotiations towards a solution to the conflict.

At the end of three days of speeches, the 192-member world body on
Friday reaffirmed the UN's responsibility regarding the Palestinian
question and stressed the Palestinian peoples' right to
self-determination and an independent state.


The Palestinian UN observer, Riyad Mansour, said the vote - 157 to 7
with 10 abstentions - showed massive support in the international
community for moving forward on the peace process.

In a separate resolution topping 150 "yes" votes declared any attempt
to impose Israel's laws, jurisdiction and administration on Jerusalem
illegal, and therefore null and void. It was approved by a vote of
157-6 with 10 abstentions.

Two other resolutions called on Israel to withdraw from the Palestinian
territories in the West Bank and from the Golan Heights.

The resolutions are not legally binding - as Security Council
resolutions are - but they are a reflection of world opinion. Each of
the six resolution received more than 100 "yes" votes. The United
States, Israel, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, and Palau voted
against all six resolutions.

U.S. diplomat Ned Siegel opposed the Golan Heights resolution, saying
it prejudged the outcome of negotiations between Israel and Syria.

He accused Syria of using the General Assembly "to direct accusations
at Israel even as it flaunts a number of Security Council resolutions
... with its refusal to treat Lebanon as a genuinely sovereign
country."

"We would like to reiterate our alarm at indications that Syria is
working with Hezbollah and other Lebanese allies to destabilize the
democratically elected Government of Lebanon," Siegel said.

Syria's UN Ambassador Bashar Ja'afari accused the U.S. of using its
veto in the Security Council to protect its Israeli friends and prevent
them from complying with UN resolutions.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/795347.html



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: PRAYER ROOMS
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Prayer rooms are available at most major European airports including
Shiphol and Frankfurt. These are for all faiths not only muslims. I see
no reason why US airports could not provide a 12' X 12' space where
people could say their prayers no matter what their faith might be



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 300,000 NON-citizens in U.S. military
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GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer@adelphia.com wrote:
> The danger of illegal aliens in our armed forces would in any
> instance be a cause for alarm.
>
>   Now, add to the mix the fact that the overwhelming majority are from
> countries with longstanding histories of anti-Americanism (the
> expression "=A1YANQUI GO HOME!" ring a bell?) as well as deep-seated
> historical grudges and the situation can be characterized as a CRISIS.
>
>   Do NOT be surprised when, in the civil disturbances which many
> foresee plaguing the USA in the very near future -- last Spring's
> street demonstrations were but a mild prelude of what's to come --
> perhaps thousands of the illegal aliens trained by our own armed forces
>
> use that training AGAINST Americans. Indeed: how many times in the past
>
> have wee seen U.S.educated and U.S.-trained foreigners become the
> worst, most stridently anti-Americans militants possible?
>
>   I urge my fellow Americans to do some research on the fall of Rome,
> for it was by opening its borders to non-Roman "barbarians" that Romans
> cut their own throats. The period called "The Dark Ages" was the result
> of Romans' naivete.

WHAT? YOU WANT AMERICANS TO KEEP DYING FOR JEWS?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: POPE VISITS, PRAYS AT ISTANBUL MOSQUE
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zr wrote:
> Oh sorry wrong massacre.
> Thanks for setting the world straight.
> You know Islam has murdered so many uselessly I sometimes forget which
> massacre goes where.
 
LYING JEW BASTARD!



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Subject: Re: Israel and Palestine; what if?
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zr wrote:
> Not really.
> Certainly it is in everyone's interest in peace to stop all middle eastern
> violence.
> What you seem to be oblivious of is that Israel has offered land for peace.
 
WHAT FUCKING LAND IDIOT? ISRAEL HAS NO LAND TO OFFER TO ANYONE



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Tilly wrote:
> zr wrote:
> > Pure Bullshit.
> > Don't waste your time on this idiotic drivel.
> >
>
> Ben Cramer has posted this nonsense before  and knows full well that with
> very few exceptions they were only Jews according to Hitlers definition, not
> the Jewsih definition which is what counts.

AND WHAT FUCKING DEFINITION IS THAT, ARSEHOLE? DIDN'T YOU JUST MAKE 200
INDIANS INTO JEWS?



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zr wrote:
> There is just too much crap being downloaded by troll named Mirelle. I have
> killfiled "Mirelle" and suggest everyone else does the same to clean up the
> overposting.

I AM SURE THAT SHE WILL HAVE A HEART ATTACK BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT READING
HER STUFF



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... NO AIRCRAFT WOULD BE CAPABLE T DESTROY IT. IN OTHER WORDS THE
DEMOLITION OF WTC WAS AN INSIDE JOB BY BUSH AND HIS CRONIES READ ON:

HERO OF 9/11 WON'T STOP SPEAKING OUT AGAINST BUSH

>From The Western Morning News - The Voice of Cornwall


11:00 - 02 December 2006

One minute he was going about his business, the next he was looking at
a vision from the depths of hell. Still reeling from a blast which
rocked the World Trade Center, William Rodriguez could hardly believe
what he was seeing."A man came running into the office shouting
'explosion, explosion!'" Mr Rodriguez soon saw a third of his body had
been badly burnt by the blast. "When I realised, I started screaming. I
looked at his face and it was missing parts."

It was the start of a day that transformed Mr Rodriguez from a
maintenance man to the hero of 9/11. He ran back into the crumbling
tower three times, and helped save hundreds of people.

In the months that followed, his role would change again, from the
"face" of the rescue effort to an outspoken critic of the government.

For Mr Rodriguez, a native of Puerto Rico, swears his ordeal began
before the first plane hit the Twin Towers. He claims that the White
House failed to act, and accuses the government of being involved in
"sponsored terrorism" in a bid to find a motive to invade Iraq. He
brought his argument to a Westcountry audience on Wednesday, when he
spoke in Torquay as part of the Global Truth movement.

Before America's trade epicentre was reduced to rubble, Mr Rodriguez
routinely ate breakfast at the Windows of the World restaurant, on the
top floor of the North Tower, where his friends would feed him free of
charge. On 9/11, he was running late, so he skipped the treat.

It was while he was in basements of the North Tower that Mr Rodriguez
says he felt an explosion from below. "It was so hard that it shook the
foundations of the building and the walls cracked," he said. "The
ceiling fell on top of us."

Mr Rodriguez, 45, had worked in the building for 20 years, and survived
the 1993 bomb blast. As the sprinkler system came on, he was mentally
transported back. It was only then that he claims he heard the sound of
the first plane hitting the tower, at 8.46am. "It came from far away -
all the way at the top of the building," he said.

The handyman's thoughts immediately raced to the plight of his friends
on the top floor, and he spent the rest of the ordeal battling his way
through the building, trying to reach them.

Mr Rodriguez, one of only five people to hold a master key which opened
the doors to an escape route, repeatedly encountered people in need of
help. He saved scores from the crumbling tower, including two who were
stuck in a lift shaft that was filling with water from the sprinklers.

"I could hear them shouting 'we're going to drown'," he said. "I was
always an agnostic, but in that moment, I prayed."

He suddenly remembered where ladders were stored, and found the longest
one unlocked, so he was able to drop it down the shaft and escort two
workers out to waiting ambulances.

Mr Rodriguez dived back into the building to try to reach his friends,
but again he encountered a casualty in need, this time on the 34th
floor. "There was a blonde woman, lying on the floor shaking. I told
her she had to get out, but she was new and she didn't know where to
go."

Mr Rodriguez helped her down the stairs, and ran back into the building
on his third trip. This time, he played a role in helping a man in a
wheelchair to the waiting ambulance crew.

"It was like a scene from The Towering Inferno," he said. "Pieces of
rock kept falling all over us and hitting us. I said to the man in the
wheelchair 'when we get out we will go for a drink'. His face was just
a dust mask."

Mr Rodriguez was set to make a fourth trip up the stairs when he heard
police outside ordering him not to look back. "Of course, when they
tell you not to look back you always do," he said. "It was the worst
memory I ever had."

The blonde woman he had helped save lay dead, just outside the exit of
the building, her body mangled by falling debris.

"I looked around, and saw all the bodies of people who had jumped out
of the windows, and they looked as if they had melted into the ground,"
he said.

Mesmerised by the apocalyptic vision, Mr Rodriguez realised the ground
was trembling. To cries of "run", he dived under a nearby fire engine
as the huge building tumbled down. "I thought I was going to die from
asphyxia," he said. "I thought 'God, please don't let my mother see my
body cut in half'."

But the media saw Mr Rodriguez dive, and soon rescue workers were
hauling him free.

Today, Mr Rodriguez is grateful to be alive, but he said: "I never
found my friends. I saved hundreds of people, but the reason I do what
I can to get the word out is that I lost 200 friends who have no way of
claiming justice."

In the aftermath, Mr Rodriguez was hailed a hero, and felt he was
playing a big role in the 9/11 Commission. "I thought they were going
to do the right thing," he said.

But Mr Rodriguez soon felt his evidence was being covered up, when he
became the only person to be interviewed behind closed doors. And his
account was omitted from the final report. He claims evidence he
collected from scores of other witnesses was overlooked.

The final straw came when he was asked to give a public address on why
Iraq should be invaded. "I said no - 9/11 was nothing to do with Iraq.
I helped organise the families, and we voted against the President
using us for his political motive. That's when the thrust changed, and
the invasion suddenly became about weapons of mass destruction."

These days, Mr Rodriguez fears for his life - and says his plight is
relevant in the wake of the death of Alexander Litvinenko, the ex-KGB
spy many believe was poisoned by the Russians.

But Mr Rodriguez continues to speak out. Once a prominent magician, he
said: "The 9/11 attacks are just an illusion. It never happened in the
way they say. It's all manufactured to give the impression that it
happened like that."

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By Dr. Byron Weeks, MD
Colonel USAF, MC, Retired Reserve

The incomprehension and inattention of the American people has led to
the present debacle. We are on the verge of economic collapse, and
multiple military defeats. The continued re-election of the
Bush-Clinton-Bush criminals has borne sour fruit. While the people were
going into debt buying themselves expensive homes and SUVs, the
avaricious elites have deliberately destroyed a once proud country by
disastrous foreign policies and the incremental establishment of a
Corporatist fascist/Communist regime to replace the once proud
republic, with tyrannical intrusions into the life of the people at
every level.

I cannot subscribe to the assumptions of some politicians that
government must be involved at every level, and must micromanage every
aspect of the lives of its citizens. When this occurs, liberty is lost
and the people suffer. We now teeter on the edge of chaos and
civil/race war in America.

It has become obvious that America had fallen in spirit long ago.
Fierce predators tread the cavernous halls of government, and men
cannot be swayed by the voice of reason...

We have seen the noble times when men were free to shape their dreams
without running afoul of the power mongers, those who preach the
spurious Marxist doctrines of One World Globalism, multiculturalism,
political correctness, and moral relativism from the bully pulpits of
our universities, churches, and through the favored publications of a
mendacious media.

America is dying. She is in her final death throes because she has
forever refused to listen to the counsel of her wise men. Instead she
has avariciously seized upon the rantings of Marxists and the promises
of those Communists and National Socialists in government who would
confiscate the property of honest citizens to support the improvident.
She has listened to politicians who promise a life of ease to the
indolent, and to bureaucracies feeding off of the labors of the
productive citizen.

As Cicero has said, "Beware of the pedant, the man in the ivory tower,
who cannot be trusted any more than the rabble of the streets. Too long
cloistered in the halls of academe, the first are dangerous, for they
fail to understand the world, and know not reality. The second are like
a mindless storm, roaring and insatiable, full of rage, and a self
righteous and acquisitive passion." The present Secretary of State is a
prime example.

Claiming to eschew Socialism, but steadily promoting it, the old
radicals of the sixties flocked to the universities, wherein one has
long heard their clarion call for "cultural democracy", with the
"rights of distinct peoples, ethnic groups, and cultural blocs. "They
shout in their auditoriums for an end to majority rule that "has always
oppressed minorities." It is sad to note that these dicta have
subverted the minds of two whole generations of our children.

In our universities, impressionable students are taught the insidious
dicta of political correctness, moral relativism and cultural
democracy, "That truth is whatever myth you choose to believe. We
should all do whatever feels good. Everything is relative. All is
shades of gray and there are no absolutes. Openness is the only
necessary virtue. Religion is merely a philosophical opinion. There is
no such thing as faith. It is evil to make value judgments. All
lifestyles are a matter of choice and are equally acceptable. Whatever
you feel like doing is fine. God is just a benign force in the
universe, (if He exists at all). Jesus was merely another great
philosopher and teacher, along with Buddha, Mohammad, and Gandhi."

The traditional ideas of constitutional law and majority rule have long
been under heavy attack. The universities are teaching the "alternative
world view." Educators now almost universally affirm that the old
values of individual liberty are outmoded and are to be replaced by
"rule by distinct peoples, cultural blocs, and ethnic groups with their
own world views, values, heritages, and languages." Apparently
individual rights are now deemed "old fashioned."

Many of the churches have enthusiastically embraced these radical ideas
and now are widely preaching the "social gospel." It is laudable for
the churches to teach non-violence, and humanitarianism is a worthy
concept, but somehow these messages have become distorted and have
ended up as "godless humanism."

The great weakness of most religions has been that they are unable to
profit from constructive criticism, and thereby attain to profitable
levels of self-correction. It is a fact that religion does not grow
unless it is disciplined by proper criticism, amplified by philosophy,
purified by science, and nourished by loyal fellowship. The attainment
of a high civilization demands first, the nurturing of the ideal type
of citizen, and the provision of adequate social mechanisms wherewith
such a citizenry may control the economic and political institutions of
an advanced human society.

On the other hand, the churches, while understandably sympathetic with
social suffering, have long ministered generously to the
underprivileged, the poor, and the unfortunate. This has all been very
well, but, not surprisingly, this misplaced sentimentality has led to
the great increase and perpetuation of degenerate and criminal stocks
which have tremendously retarded the progress of civilization. We now
face two whole generations of our children, who are drug addicted,
miseducated, and have largely become a seething mass of promiscuous
moral degenerates.

The party system has continually elected to public office those who are
willing to loot the public treasury for the benefit of those who are
essentially parasitic upon society. No country should feel constrained
to allow degenerate stocks from impoverished and oppressed nations to
freely and illegally immigrate unless there is a legitimate economic
need for them. We now see the second and third generations of these
underclasses forming gangs and becoming a drug dealing criminal element
and a welfare burden upon American society. Why do so many feel
constrained to add to the huge numbers of the degenerate and criminal
classes that already threaten to overwhelm our economy and our
civilization?

We are now reaping the unforeseen consequences of our charitable point
of view, for a violent underclass, mainly composed of certain illegal
immigrants and criminal and indolent degenerates, which have placed
impossible burdens on society and this has led to violent crimes on an
unprecedented scale! These same underclass citizens are the ones whom
the cultural democrats have decided are better fit to govern than "the
huge white middle class that has always persecuted and enslaved
minorities!"

Those of you, now so perilously few, who can observe the world with
perspicacious clarity, and without the usual rose-colored glasses, may
note with trepidation the malignant trends that have burst upon us in
these latter times...

The constitutional liberties of the productive citizen have been
usurped by a predatory government whenever it seems expedient. The
idealist is apt to be found rotting in prison, while criminals and
wealthy drug distributors rule in the marbled towers of government.
Already men have come to mistrust one another and to view, with
justified suspicion, the playing fields of commerce, while frivolous
lawsuits abound, clogging our judicial system. Already we witness the
rioting and plundering of our cities. The huge influx of illegal
immigrants, who are assumed to warrant free medical care, has
bankrupted close to one hundred hospitals and is severely stressing the
public school system. Already our hospital emergency rooms are
overwhelmed with multiple trauma, quivering hearts, and drug-stunned
brains. Already we note the impotence of law enforcement agencies to
quell the depredations of the seething mobs, who have imperiled us in
the streets of our cities and even in our homes. The multiple recent
mindless atrocities in many of our cities are playing into the agenda
of those who wish to control all of the people. The recent passage of
"anti-terrorist legislation" will bring more federalization of the
police forces, and drastically reduce the constitutional protections of
the private citizen. As if all this were not enough, we are now
confronted with ominous signs of an impending economic collapse in the
USA that may soon lead to anarchy and chaos across the world as we drag
other countries down with us!

The terrifying incompetence of the past several presidents and the
ineptitude of Congress may be more apparent than real. Those sinister
forces hidden behind the politicians have an agenda that is far removed
>from what was intended for the American Republic. I refer to the One
World globalist agenda that is rushing this country to imminent
destruction with the speed of a jet plane. Our leaders evidently do not
want to close our borders, but rather to abolish them, and to bring all
of North America into a new vassal state under a fascist, corporatist
World Government.

America became great because for the first time in history, men were
actually free to develop their talents and to pursue their own
destinies without the intrusion and harassment of the State. The
momentum of the federal takeover of every aspect of our lives has
increased now to the point of awakening the common man from his many
years of complacent slumber. People in all walks of life and in every
endeavor have come to realize with trepidation that their liberties are
rapidly disappearing. Great changes have already been wrought by the
large administrative and judicial apparatus that is able to reinterpret
or ignore the law with impunity. Popular opinion is becoming
increasingly alarmed at the inability of the local police to enforce
laws that are still presumed to be in effect. We stand on the threshold
of Fascism. It is now clear that the arbitrary weakening and fiat
reinterpretation of our constitutional law, that was designed to
protect the people from government tyranny and to insure the safety of
our families in their homes and in the streets, should be viewed as
TREASON!

Sadly, the members of Congress in both parties have apparently lost the
vision of freedom. Place not your hopes in the Patriot Acts, feints at
immigration reform, the Military Commissions, and the arrogant
corporatism of the present administration. It's another deception that
will only consolidate the gains made by the Left since the days of
Woodrow Wilson!! Now, on the eve of the beginnings of the mass murder
of Americans, it is going to be necessary for the people themselves to
make a stand!

I suspect that most of the citizens are blissfully unaware of what is
about to happen if Russia and China retaliate against Israel and the
U.S. because of an attack on Iran. Russia is making billions by
providing Iran with advanced weapons technology. China is in dire need
of Iran's oil. Thus they have signed mutual defense treaties with
this erratic and radical nation ruled by medievalist Mullahs.

The people probably haven't heard much about Scalar interferometry
weaponry either. Russia has this fantastic weapon, and so probably do
Iran, China, and Israel. These weapons are even more devastating than
nuclear bombs. As Iran threatens the West more every day, the alarm
rises to a fever pitch! I have been hearing rumbles of this coming
global war for about ten years, and have been ridiculed and laughed at
for that long for mentioning it. We just didn't know the time when it
would occur. But it will be caused by the enemies of God and freedom.
It is ominous to me that CNN has just announced that there will be a
major re-deployment of troops from Japan to the Middle East. Our
astronauts are now being brought back to earth. Does all this portend
an attack on Iran? Of course it does! One of the closely held
government secrets is that Israel has saved us from Russian aggression
several times in the past, and hopefully will rescue us again with her
advanced Quantum Potential weaponry...

The War on Terrorism is a phony issue designed to deplete our once vast
resources and to precipitate an economic and military collapse,
rendering a freedom loving America ineffectual and militarily
vulnerable in opposing the impending world dictatorship. It has
devastated our economy and depleted our military.

God grant that we, as Americans, as lovers of liberty, a remnant of
whom shall undoubtedly survive the devastation, shall come to fully
realize the dreadful jeopardy in which we find ourselves, and that
after the collapse into anarchy and chaos, we shall one day restore the
constitutional rights that our fathers died for, that we shall pledge
once more, "our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" for the
restoration of those freedoms that had been so dearly won, so
thoughtlessly cast aside...

Dr. Byron Weeks
Colonel USAF, MC, Retired Reserve



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By Paul Craig Roberts
December 01, 2006
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/061201_sane.htm

Tens of millions of Americans want President George W. Bush to be
impeached for the lies and deceit he used to launch an illegal war and
for violating his oath of office to uphold the US Constitution.
Millions of other Americans want Bush turned over to the war crimes
tribunal at the Hague. The true fate that awaits Bush is psychiatric
incarceration.

The president of the United States is so deep into denial that he is no
longer among the sane.

Delusion still rules Bush three weeks after the American people
repudiated him and his catastrophic war in elections that delivered
both House and Senate to the Democrats in the hope that control over
Congress would give the opposition party the strength to oppose the mad
occupant of the White House.

On November 28 Bush insisted that US troops would not be withdrawn from
Iraq until he had completed his mission of building a stable Iraqi
democracy capable of spreading democratic change in the Middle East.

Bush made this astonishing statement the day after NBC News, a major
television network, declared Iraq to be in the midst of a civil war, a
judgment with which former Secretary of State Colin Powell concurs.

The same day that Bush reaffirmed his commitment to building a stable
Iraqi democracy, a secret US Marine Corps intelligence report was
leaked. According to the Washington Post, the report concludes: "the
social and political situation has deteriorated to a point that US and
Iraqi troops are no longer capable of militarily defeating the
insurgency in al-Anbar province." Anbar Picture Grows Clearer, and
Bleaker By Dafna Linzer and Thomas E. Ricks

The Marine Corps intelligence report says that Al Qaeda is the
"dominant organization of influence" in Anbar province, and is more
important than local authorities, the Iraqi government and US troops
"in its ability to control the day-to-day life of the average
Sunni."

Bush's astonishing determination to deny Iraq reality was made the
same day that the US-installed Iraqi prime minister al-Maliki and US
puppet King Abdullah II of Jordan abruptly cancelled a meeting with
Bush after Bush was already in route to Jordan on Air Force One.

Bush could not meet with Maliki in Iraq, because violence in Baghdad is
out of control. For security reasons, the US Secret Service would not
allow President Bush to go to Iraq, where he is "building a stable
democracy."

Bush made his astonishing statement in the face of news leaks of the
Iraq Study Group's call for a withdrawal of all US combat forces from
Iraq. The Iraq Study Group is led by Bush family operative James A.
Baker, a former White House chief of staff, former Secretary of the
Treasury, and former Secretary of State. Baker was tasked by father
Bush to save the son. Apparently, son Bush hasn't enough sanity to
allow himself to be saved.

Bush's denial of Iraqi reality was made even as one of the most
influential Iraqi Shiite leaders, Moqtada al-Sadr, is building an
anti-US parliamentary alliance to demand the withdrawal of US troops
>from Iraq.

Maliki himself appears on the verge of desertion by his American
sponsors. The White House has reportedly "lost confidence" in
Maliki's "ability to control violence." Fox "News"
disinformation agency immediately began blaming Maliki for the defeat
the US has suffered in Iraq. NY governor Pataki told Fox "News"
Video that "Maliki is not doing his job." Pataki claimed that US
troops were doing "a great job."

A number of other politicians and talking heads joined in the
scapegoating of Maliki. No one explained how Maliki can be expected to
save Iraq when US troops cannot provide enough security for the Iraqi
government to go outside the heavily fortified "green zone" that
occupies a small area of Baghdad.

If the US Marines cannot control Anbar province, what chance is there
for Maliki? What can Maliki do if the security provided by US troops is
so bad that the President of the US cannot even visit the country?

The only people in Iraq who are safe belong to Al Qaeda and the Sunni
insurgents or are Shiite militia leaders such as al-Sadr.

An American group, the Center for Constitutional Rights, has filed war
crimes charges in Germany against former US Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld. A number of former US attorneys believe President Bush and
Vice President Cheney deserve the same.

Bush has destroyed the entire social, political, and economic fabric of
Iraq. Saddam Hussein sat on the lid of Pandora's Box of sectarian
antagonisms, but Bush has opened the lid. Hundreds of thousands of
Iraqi civilians have been killed as "collateral damage" in Bush's
war to bring "stable democracy" to Iraq. Tens of thousands of Iraqi
children have been orphaned and maimed. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
have fled their country. The Middle East is aflame with hatred of
America, and the ground is shaking under the feet of American puppet
governments in the Middle East. US casualties (killed and wounded)
number 25,000.

And Bush has not had enough!

What better proof of Bush's insanity could there be?

COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

Paul Craig Roberts email him was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in
the Reagan Administration.



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 AK-47 IS THE ONLY TRUE BROKER FOR PEACE JEWS UNDERSTAND!



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http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html



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1

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html

Sounds grim, but that is what Jews do best; MURDER INNOCENT AND
DEFENCELESS PEOPLE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 150,000 JEWS SERVED ADOLF - Plus More than 53 COLLABORATEURS!! Repost
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Tilly wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Tilly wrote:
> > > zr wrote:
> > > > Pure Bullshit.
> > > > Don't waste your time on this idiotic drivel.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ben Cramer has posted this nonsense before  and knows full well
> > > that with very few exceptions they were only Jews according to
> > > Hitlers definition, not the Jewsih definition which is what counts.
> >
> > They would qualify for the Right of return, today, that makes them
> > Jews!
>
> What a load of grabage. People who have a Jewish father don't qualify as
> Jewish in Israel at the moment.MK Yossi Bellin has introduced a bill to
> recognise people in Israel with Jewish fathers as Jewish,

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW THAT ANYONE IS JEWISH YOU STUPID DOPE. DID YOU
HOLD  THE CANDLE WHILE YOUR GRANNY WAS BEING KNOCKED UP BY A TATAR?
DID YOU HOLD A CANDLE WHILE YOUR FATHER'S MOTHER WAS SCREWED BY AN ARAB?



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Cazador wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> > AK-47 IS THE ONLY TRUE BROKER FOR PEACE JEWS UNDERSTAND!
>
> Ad hominem and anti-Semitic, Venceremos. This sort of crap just makes
> the problems worse. It's also defeatist.

If Jews do not like AK, then they should sit down to a debate with any
Palestinian leader and resolve the problem.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: 9 MORE AMERICANS DIED FOR ISRAEL. HOW MANY ORPHANS? HOW MANY WIDOWS ARE LEFT TO FEND FOR THEMSELVE
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2,900 AMERICANS DEAD FOR ISRAEL TO DATE

Weekend fighting in Iraq kills 9 U.S. troops


BAGHDAD (CNN) - Nine U.S. troops died in Iraq over the weekend,
including five killed by roadside bombs, the U.S. military reported
Sunday.

Two soldiers were killed and two wounded Sunday when a roadside bomb
exploded near their vehicle in northern Iraq, U.S. commanders in the
northern city of Tikrit announced. The soldiers were assigned to the
Army's 3rd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division.

Two U.S. soldiers and a Marine died due to unspecified "enemy action"
in western Iraq's volatile Anbar province Saturday, the American
command in Baghdad reported, while two U.S. soldiers were killed by a
roadside bomb. And two American soldiers were reported killed in
Baghdad - one slain by a roadside bomb Saturday, another killed in
fighting Sunday.

The latest deaths bring the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq to
2,900. (Posted 6:30 p.m.)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/03/sunday/index.html?section=cnn_latest



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From: "Venceremos" 
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The dangerous consequences of defeat

By Patrick Seale, Special to Gulf News


No one can seriously deny that the United States is now facing the
possibility of a strategic defeat in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It may
not be defeat in the conventional sense of a military rout, a forced
withdrawal of troops or an abject surrender, but it is certainly a
failure to meet declared American objectives.

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan is on the road to becoming the stable,
prosperous, pro-Western democracy which Washington fantasised about
when it invaded both these countries.

Rather, Iraq has sunk into murderous chaos, with the government
controlling little beyond the heavily-fortified Green Zone in Baghdad,
while in Afghanistan reinforced Taliban armies are challenging Nato in
the south of the country and seem to be preparing for an assault on
Kabul in the spring.

In a word, two key American clients - Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri Al
Maliki and Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai -are in dire trouble.
They cannot survive without American military backing, and this backing
is now faltering.

In Iraq, the Bush administration is hoping to reduce its troops over
the coming year by increasing the provision of training and military
equipment to Iraq's new national army. The trouble is that, even with
massive American help, this army is far from able to subdue the
insurgency as well as powerful sectarian militias.

In southern Afghanistan, the hard-pressed Nato force - made up of US,
British, Canadian and Dutch troops - is finding it exceedingly
difficult to persuade other Nato members to join the fight. France,
Germany, Italy and Spain have contingents in the relatively quiet north
and west of the country as well as in the region of Kabul but, as they
made clear at last week's Nato summit in the Latvian capital of Riga,
they are highly reluctant to send their troops to the dangerous south.

Politically difficult

It is politically difficult, if not impossible, for Western leaders to
commit troops to a war which many commentators believe cannot be won.

The key difficulty for the United States and Nato is that Taliban
forces in southern and eastern Afghanistan have the benefit of
"strategic depth" in the form of Pakistan's seven tribal agencies which
hug the Afghan border and are virtually impenetrable and impregnable.
These mountainous tribal areas - notably North and South Waziristan -
provide the Taliban with safe haven as well as with a limitless
reservoir of recruits.

What will be the likely consequences of defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan?

In Iraq, a full-scale civil war between Sunnis and Shiites raises the
dreadful possibility of sectarian strife spreading beyond Iraq's
borders. This, in turn, could increase tension between Saudi Arabia and
Iran and possibly trigger their intervention on opposite sides in Iraq.

A second disastrous consequence of failure would be to provide Al Qaida
with a base in both Iraq and Afghanistan from which to mount its
destructive jihad, not only against Western interests but also - and
more particularly - against Riyadh, Amman and Cairo.

A third possible consequence of a Taliban victory in Afghanistan would
be to launch a struggle to control the country between Pakistan on one
side and India, Iran and Russia on the other. As both sides would make
use of local proxies, this could result in a civil war between Pashtuns
in the south and Tajiks and Uzbeks in the north.

A fourth, even more serious, consequence of defeat would be a loss of
authority and credibility for the United States and Nato. The US, in
particular, needs to seek political rather than military solutions to
the Iraqi and Afghan conflicts and in this regard be prepared to seek
the help of countries such as Syria and Iran it has so far sought to
isolate.

Serious threats

What can be done to head off these four very serious threats? In my
view, the neighbours of Iraq and Afghanistan should be far more active
in protecting their own vital interests, rather than depending on
Western, and especially American, military power. Indeed, it is very
probable that the military presence of Western powers in both Iraq and
Afghanistan makes the situation worse rather than better. Instead of
stabilising the situation, it stokes the fires of conflict.

It seems clear that the war in Iraq requires a regional settlement -
that is to say a settlement to which all Iraq's neighbours, Turkey,
Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Jordan contribute in their
different ways and to the best of their ability. They all have a vital
interest in a stable, unitary and peaceful Iraq.

An urgent diplomatic initiative is required - perhaps in the form of a
regional conference - in which Iraq's neighbours, without foreign
interference, thrash out an agreed power-sharing formula for Iraq and
then use their influence to persuade the warring parties to accept it.

A great deal more needs to be done. The Gulf States and Iran need to
forge a Gulf security pact to protect them against the fall-out from
Iraq, while Saudi Arabia and Pakistan who, in the 1980s, mobilised
Afghan rebels against the Soviet army should now use the same financial
and intelligence instruments to rein in the Taliban.

In a word, local powers should assume greater responsibility for
regional security and allow US forces to go home.

Patrick Seale is a commentator and author of several books on Middle
East affairs.

http://www.gulf-news.com/opinion/columns/region/10086972.html



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zr wrote:
> So you and Mearsheimer & Walt think that 7 consecutive US Presidents:
> Nixon
> Ford
> Carter
> Reagan
> G.Bush Sr.
> Clinton
> G.Bush Jr
> From 1973 to probably 2009 are all stupid to support Israel?
> Have received nothing in kind they just do it because they love Israel.

SURE THEY DID ESPECIALLY NIXON. ANYBODY WHO SUPPORTS A FASCIST COUNTRY
TORTURING 15,000 PEOPLE IN DOZENS OF GULAGS IS PLAIN CRAZY!



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U.S. copter comes down in Iraq
Mon Dec 4, 2006 6:36am ET


HADITHA, Iraq (Reuters) - One Marine was killed and three servicemen
were missing after a U.S. helicopter with 16 people on board made an
emergency landing in a lake in western Iraq on Sunday, the U.S.
military said on Monday.

It said the Ch-46 twin-rotor Sea Knight, the Marine version of the
Chinook, was carrying 16 personnel including the crew when it came down
in the volatile Anbar province, heartland of the Sunni insurgency in
Iraq.

Residents of Haditha, 150 miles northwest of Baghdad, said it came down
in a lake, which had been sealed off by U.S. forces.

"Thirteen passengers were accounted for yesterday. During search and
rescue operations, one Marine was recovered from the water, but
attempts to resuscitate him were unsuccessful," the military said in a
statement.

It said three servicemen were still missing.

"The incident does not appear to be a result of enemy action and is
currently under investigation," it said.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-12-04T113624Z_01_COL435677_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-CRASH.xml&src=rss



3 troops missing in western Iraq after a Marine helicopter makes
emergency landing; 1 dead

BAGHDAD (CNN) - The U.S. military Monday is searching for three
troops who went missing after their Marine helicopter made an emergency
water landing Sunday in Iraq's volatile Anbar province, the U.S.
military announced Monday.

Rescuers were unable to resuscitate one Marine who was recovered from
the water shortly after the incident.

The CH-46 "Sea Knight" was carrying 16 passengers when it went down in
western Anbar. The 12 passengers known to have survived the crash have
been accounted for, the military said.

It is not clear if the Marine chopper went down in a lake or a river.
The military said it does not believe the emergency landing was the
result of enemy action, although an investigation is underway.

"Every available resource is being utilized to find the missing service
members," the U.S. military said in its news release.

With the Marine's death, 2,901 U.S. military personnel have died in the
Iraq war. (Posted 7:46 a.m.)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/04/monday/index.html?section=cnn_latest



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Mister Death Squad Goes to Washington


Bush's media collaborators are already calling Hakim a 'moderate'
- compared to the mercurial Moqtada Al Sadr. Some death squad leaders
are apparently more reliable than others, says Ahmed Amr.


Welcome to the final Byzantine round of the Machiavellian Iraqi war
games in Washington. Making his triumphant appearance today is none
other than Abdelaziz Al-Hakim - the wise one. He's a veteran player
who survived four years of preliminary elimination rounds to qualify
for the final phase of what is turning out to be a truly Olympian
imperial project.

Behold Hakim's resplendent clerical robes. You can always spot the
players who've spent a lifetime training for their roles on
history's stage. No one doubts that this 'man of the cloth' will
pass the drug screening tests. This late in the game, we can only hope
that our designated team captain resists the temptation to drown his
Mesopotamian sorrows in a bottle of gin or indulge in a snow-snorting
binge.

As far back as the qualifying events - when this quagmire was still a
neo-con fantasy - Al-Hakim and his team mates were recruited to
shower "rice and roses" on coalition forces as they cake walked
their way from Basra to Baghdad.

Al Hakim's resume is truly impressive. He's an Ayatollah and a son
of an Ayatollah. He speaks fluent Farsi - having spent half his
entire life living in exile as an honored guest of the Iranian
Revolutionary Guards. As a dedicated theocrat - he allied his
sectarian legions of Iraqi exiles with the Iranian army in the
Iran-Iraq war. It's safe to assume that he puts his faith based
political doctrines above his country - a trait he shares with his
host.

To get a measure of the man, you need to see past Hakim's wardrobe.
This guy is more than a religious missionary. He's certainly no
ordinary politician. You can't even consider him a military man -
although he was the leader of the Badr Brigades - the military wing
of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq - SCIRI.
Still, he's so much more than that. The source of his political clout
is his control over the Shiite death squads that have infiltrated the
American-trained security forces.

And there's more to recommend this man for the task of getting "the
job done." The death squads under Al Hakim's command aren't your
run of the mill assassins. They usually leave their signature on their
victims before grinding them up. Al Hakim's dedicated cadres like to
drill holes in other people's skulls before dumping the mutilated
cadavers on Baghdad's streets as a warning to any real or potential
adversaries.

It's not yet clear why Bush invited Mister Death Squad to Washington.
But let's not 'misunderestimate' the President. This is the same
POTUS who thundered from his bully pulpit that "we cannot turn a
blind eye to repression because that repression is not in our back
yard." What he failed to mention was that - as the need arises - we
would continue to invite vicious torturers and assassins to our front
yard for tea in the Rose Garden.

Bush's media collaborators are already calling Hakim a 'moderate'
- compared to the mercurial Moqtada Al Sadr. Some death squad leaders
are apparently more reliable than others.

What makes Hakim so special is that he seems such a mature thug - the
kind of SOB that can be our SOB. The Badr militias have a reputation of
being disciplined and heavily indoctrinated foot soldiers who follow
the party line. Once they get orders to close down their torture
dungeons, Hakim's loyalists will likely obey his command. Of course,
that also means that the torture sessions could only have started with
Hakim's explicit orders.

A few pundits are suggesting that the president is using Hakim's
visit as a way to build bridges to Tehran. Or maybe the administration
is sending Al-Maliki a message that he should abandon his alliance with
Al Sadr and stick with the scary guy from SCIRI.

You never know what Bush has in mind for 'Plan Z.' By the time he
figures out a new course of action - he'll need another plan.

No one in his right mind is suggesting that exiting Iraq was ever going
to be a tidy business. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore that
the man invited to sip tea with the president is holding a common
household drill dripping with blood and brain tissue. Hakim keeps
trying to wipe it off with his clerical robes to the amusement of the
President - who has no clothes to help out his guest. Snickering in
the corner, the assembled media dignitaries mind their manners and
pretend not to notice.

Now, drive your imagination to some dark stink hole in Baghdad owned
and operated by Al-Hakim's thugs in the interior ministry. A Baghdad
University professor is tied down to a sturdy blood drenched workbench
about to get his skull drilled by professionals assigned to SCIRI's
torture squads. Two of his sons share his predicament. In the
background, the TV is tuned to CNN. Suddenly, the drills go silent as
the emperor with no clothes and the cleric with blood stained robes
approach the podium to exchange pleasantries about the wonderful
democratic strides taking place in Iraq.

If we could only figure some way to instantly transport Hakim's den
of torture to the president's front yard. What if the professor was
given a few moments at the podium to give his last will and testament?
Spin that.


Ahmed Amr is the editor of NileMedia.com

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=18614
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From: "Venceremos" 
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FRENCH President Jacques Chirac's warnings in 2003 that a US invasion
of Iraq would set the Mideast on fire, encouraging terrorism and
producing a disaster have been tragically borne out by events. Iraq is
falling ever deeper into chaos and sectarian conflict. Lebanon teeters
on the brink of civil war. The agonies of Palestine - now the
world's largest outdoor prison - continue without relent. Iran's
power and influence are surging.


For the latter, thank Washington, which overthrew two of Iran's
bitterest enemies, Taliban and Saddam Hussein, then stuck US ground
forces in the $250 million per day Iraq quagmire.

As Iraq turns into a nightmare of carnage and hate, President Bush and
mentor Dick Cheney rushed to the Mideast last week to urge their local
allies to pull America's bacon out of the fire.

But Iraq's prime minister, Nuri Al Maliki, governs only over
Baghdad's US-protected Green Zone. The US controls what passes for
Iraq's police and armed forces. Maliki has no army of his own; his
Shia supporters are divided and feuding. How can Bush expect a
powerless prime minister to do what the mighty US cannot?

At least, Maliki had the pluck to make a symbolic protest by refusing
to meet with Bush for dinner in Amman after humiliating reports leaked
in Washington the US intended to dump him. So much for Iraq
'democracy.' Washington may be headed towards installing a ruthless
Saddam clone, either a former CIA 'asset' or some iron-fisted
general.

What western reporters term the Iraqi Army is really a collection of
Shia militias, death squads and mercenaries, many former convicts. The
US occupation's extensive use of Shia death squads to fight the Sunni
resistance has played a key role in igniting Iraq's current sectarian
bloodbath. This little-known story is a major scandal.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia and Jordan warn they may send troops into Iraq
to protect its Sunni minority from ethnic cleansing by the Shia
majority. Such a move could provoke the powerful Turkish Army to invade
independence-seeking Kurdish regions of northern Iraq. Iran would be
quickly drawn into the melee.

Iraq's neighbours deeply fear its chaos will spread across their
borders, with dangerous, unpredictable consequences for all concerned.

The long-awaited Iraq Study Group's report comes out this week. It is
expected to call for a phased withdrawal of US combat troops from Iraq,
and retention of some 'intervention units' in neighbouring
countries. France ruled its West African empire for a half a century
this way: installing compliant rulers kept in power by strategically
located French Foreign Legion and Air Force units ready to swiftly
intervene at signs of unrest.

The Iraq Study Group will also likely suggest direct talks with
so-called 'axis of evil' members, Iran and Syria. Their cooperation
is essential to stabilizing Iraq as well as for producing a viable
solution to the Palestinian tragedy.

But a furious, behind-the-scenes battle is raging in Washington between
advocates of diplomatic engagement with Damascus and Teheran, and the
powerful Israel lobby, which has successfully blocked for decades all
attempts to open such badly needed dialogue or press Israel over
Palestinian rights. Israel and its American supporters are pushing hard
for US attacks on Iran's nuclear infrastructure.

Israel also wants to avoid being drawn into any talks with Syria that
will inevitably raise the issue of the Golan Heights, which Israel
occupied and ethnically cleansed of its Arab and Druze population in
1967. A comprehensive Mideast settlement will inevitably involve Golan,
which Syria desperately wants back and that Israel is determined not to
relinquish. Damascus won't permit an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal
until Golan is returned.

If Washington announces 'phased withdrawals' of US forces from
Iraq, already shaky morale of American troops there will plummet. Who
wants to risk life or limb for a withdrawal?

This is exactly what I saw happen to US forces in Vietnam after
President Lyndon Johnson announced military victory was no longer his
goal. No GI wanted to be the last soldier killed in a lost war started
by bungling politicians.

Once Washington utters the dreaded 'W' word - withdrawal' -
Iraqis working for the US occupation will flee to the Sunni or Shia
opposition. Iran's influence in Iraq will soar. America's Arab
allies will be left facing severe external and internal dangers. But
President Bush keeps insisting 'no retreat.' He still seems unable
to see the writing on the wall in Babylon.

Eric S. Margolis is a veteran American journalist and contributing
foreign editor of The Toronto Sun

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They lie, and they lie and they lie! This creep was spying for Israel.
He is an Israeli. In order to cover the Israeli spying they pawn it on
on Russia and  Austria. Fucking Jews!

NORFOLK - Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Ariel J. Weinmann walked up to
an embassy in Vienna, Austria, rang the bell and offered U.S. secrets
to the person who met him in the foyer, he admitted in a military court
today.

In pleading guilty to espionage, desertion and related charges, the
22-year-old submariner outlined his efforts to gain residency in
another country after becoming disillusioned with the Navy. The hearing
will continue at Norfolk Naval Station with the sentencing phase.
Background: Recording details his arrest at airport
See Thing Your Way.


After fleeing the Navy in summer 2005, Weinmann first thought he would
try to get asylum in Austria by exchanging classified biographical
information and weapons systems manuals. After dropping that plan, he
approached the embassy and offered a three-ring binder of secret
military data, he told the court.

The embassy was identified in court only as belonging to "Country
X." A Pentagon source who spoke on condition of anonymity confirmed
that the country was Russia.

"This was just a cold approach on your part? You just rang the
bell?" asked the military judge, Capt. Daniel O'Toole.

"Yes, sir," Weinmann answered.

The day-long proceeding began with the fire control technician
explaining why he deserted his post aboard the submarine USS
Albuquerque in New London, Conn., on July 1, 2005.

"My expectations in the Navy were not met," he told the judge. "I
had a very idolized view - basically the World War II Navy."

Weinmann purchased a one-way ticket to an undisclosed country and left
>from Providence, R.I., that day. He ended up in Austria five days
later, carrying a Navy laptop computer containing four classified
training manuals and 29 other secret documents.

"Did you ever intend to come back to America?" O'Toole asked
Weinmann.

"I did not, sir," he answered.

He rented an apartment in Vienna with a German citizen, who was not
fully identified, and was planning to trade the classified information,
including the biographies of unidentified military employees, for
expedited asylum, he admitted.

The information, which Weinmann downloaded from the military's Secret
Internet Protocol Network before leaving the sub, contained nicknames
and childhood pets which "could tip people off that they were in
contact with American intelligence," he said.

"Could it jeopardize people's lives?" the judge asked.

"Yes, it could," Weinmann answered.

But the German citizen "laughed at me" after seeing the information
in August 2005, he said.

"That's why I didn't do anything further," Weinmann said.

That October, he buzzed the foreign embassy in Vienna and met with "a
member of the state department of Country X," Weinmann said. In a
reception room, Weinmann handed over the binder full of secrets. He did
not say what, if anything, he received in return.

When asked the purpose, Weinmann said, "I had reason to believe it
would aid Country X."

He said he had previously made friends with people from "Country X"
and decided that was where he wanted to live.

He described U.S. relations with that country as "cordial" but with
a "degree of competition."

"Why would you think this country would take advantage of this
information?" the judge asked.

"At least, on the sidelines, it would give them an advantage,"
Weinmann said. "It pertained to a weapons system."

By March, having apparently not received any offers from the foreign
government, Weinmann decided to leave Austria. He pulled the hard drive
>from his laptop and smashed it with a large rubber mallet, he said.

He left most of his belongings in his Vienna apartment and flew to
Mexico City carrying only a backpack. He was arrested that same month
at a Dallas airport when immigration and customs officials discovered
that his name on the manifest matched a warrant from the Navy. He was
carrying $4,000 in crisp $100 bills, three CD-ROMs and other computer
equipment.

As part of the plea bargain, the government has agreed to drop charges
that Weinmann passed classified information to a foreign agent in
Mexico before he left and also to another foreign agent in Bahrain in
March 2005.

Weinmann faces a maximum penalty of life in prison, but prosecutors and
defense attorneys said they have worked out a specific sentence that is
expected to be made public at the sentencing phase, perhaps as early as
today. He remains in the Navy brig.

Weinmann's parents, from Salem, Ore., were in the courtroom today but
declined to comment.

Reach Tim McGlone at (757) 446-2343 or tim.mcglone@pilotonline.com.



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GENEVA, Dec 1 (Reuters) A United Nations human rights inquiry said on
Friday that Israel should be made to pay compensation for damage caused
by its month-long war in Lebanon, especially losses incurred by
civilians.
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Israel should compensate damage in Lebanon--UN team

By Stephanie Nebehay

GENEVA, Dec 1 (Reuters) - A United Nations human rights inquiry said on
Friday that Israel should be made to pay compensation for damage caused
by its month-long war in Lebanon, especially losses incurred by
civilians.

It suggested setting up an international compensation programme similar
to the one which has paid out billions of dollars to cover losses due
to Iraq's 1990-91 invasion and occupation of Kuwait.

But the three-member commission of inquiry - which also rejected
Israeli and U.S. charges that its recent report accusing Israel of
"flagrant violations" in the war was one-sided - left any decision to
the U.N. Human Rights Council.

"It should consider creation of a commission competent to examine
individual claims for reparations and compensation...," commission
member Joao Clemente Baena Soares told a briefing.

The inquiry team was expanding on its Nov. 21 report which said Israel
was guilty of "excessive, indiscriminate and disproportionate use of
force" in the July/August war, which it said caused 1,191 deaths in
Lebanon and damaged 30,000 homes.

Israel invaded southern Lebanon after Hezbollah captured two Israeli
soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12. The report said Israel had
also suffered serious casualties from Hezbollah attacks, including 43
civilians killed and 6,000 homes damaged.

Commission member Stelios Perrakis said Lebanon's fishing and farm
industries had been damaged by Israeli attacks, and oil spills from
refineries had reached Cyprus, Turkey and Greece.

The inquiry had established that Israel bore international
responsibility for the violations and damage, he said.

"If the Council, the international community, wishes to set up a
mechanism, I remind you that the Security Council established a
commission on Iraqi reparations for Kuwait. Why not also a commission
for Lebanon?," Perrakis told reporters.

The U.N. team visited Lebanon to assess the situation in line with its
mandate from the rights forum to probe "systematic targeting and
killing" of Lebanese civilians by Israel.

"Of course it (the report) was not one-sided, it was within the limits
imposed by the mandate," Perrakis told reporters.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L01838471.htm



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: John Baker meets Suzy Cohen
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J Young wrote:
> http://www.weirdspot.com/images/uploads/sweetkiss.jpg

Great picture but can you tell who is who?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: ARE KIKES SEMITES?
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Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, professor of genetics at Hebrew University in
israel, and five research colleagues reported in the American Journal
of Human Genetics (November 2001) that jews are closely related in DNA
to Iraqis, Kurds, Turks, and Armenians. Meanwhile, Sephardic, (Middle
East jews) differ from European jews (Ashkenazi), many of whom were
found to be of Khazar (Turkic Kazakh) stock.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: JEW SPY COVERUP!
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Aviroce wrote:
> Did you "steal" the title of my article for a name?  I wrote the
> article today.

If I did it must have been an accident! Sorry

> VivaChavez wrote:
> > Venceremos check out this website...I think you will find a lot of very
> > enlightening and interesting information:
> >
> > www.whatreallyhappened.com
> >
> >
> > Venceremos wrote:
> > > They lie, and they lie and they lie! This creep was spying for Israel.
> > > He is an Israeli. In order to cover the Israeli spying they pawn it on
> > > on Russia and  Austria. Fucking Jews!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter's Calumny
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dsharavi@gmail.com wrote:
> Carter's Calumny
> By Mitchell Bard
>
> Palestine Peace Not Apartheid
> By Jimmy Carter,
> NY: Simon & Schuster, 2006,
> 288 pages, $27
>
> By titling his book as he has, Jimmy Carter is not merely being
> provocative to sell books, he appears to be giving aid and comfort to
> the new anti-Semites

ARE YOU STILL SUGGESTING THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES?

Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, professor of genetics at Hebrew University in
israel, and five research colleagues reported in the American Journal
of Human Genetics (November 2001) that jews are closely related in DNA
to Iraqis, Kurds, Turks, and Armenians. Meanwhile, Sephardic, (Middle
East jews) differ from European jews (Ashkenazi), many of whom were
found to be of Khazar (Turkic Kazakh) stock.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Who do the Jews fear?
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Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, professor of genetics at Hebrew University in
israel, and five research colleagues reported in the American Journal
of Human Genetics (November 2001) that jews are closely related in DNA
to Iraqis, Kurds, Turks, and Armenians. Meanwhile, Sephardic, (Middle
East jews) differ from European jews (Ashkenazi), many of whom were
found to be of Khazar (Turkic Kazakh) stock.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:56:37 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: DO AS KIKE SAYS OR ELSE!
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December 4, 2006

The following letter was sent to me today by James Abourezk, former US
Senator from South Dakota, and he readily complied when I asked that I
be allowed to forward it to my list because what he had to say is of
the utmost importance, given last month's election and all the new
faces in Congress, and the immediate previous posting to you and James
Petras's article earlier in the day..


Dear Jeff:

I just finished reading your critique of Noam Chomsky's positions in an
e mail sent to me by Tony Saidy.

I had never paid much attention to Chomsky's writings, as I had all
along assumed that he was correct and proper in his position on the
Arab-Israeli conflict.

But now, upon learning that his first assumption is that Israel is
simply doing what the imperial leaders in the U.S. wants them to do, I
concur with you that this assumption is completely wrong.

I can tell you from personal experience that, at least in the Congress,
the support Israel has in that body is based completely on political
fear--fear of defeat by anyone who does not do what Israel wants done.
I can also tell you that very few members of Congress--at least when I
served there--have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they
have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly
how they feel. I've heard too many cloakroom conversations in which
members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how
they're pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one
hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one
of them is willing to risk the Lobby's animosity by making their
feelings public.

Thus, I see no desire on the part of Members of Congress to further any
U.S. imperial dreams by using Israel as their pit bull. The only
exceptions to that rule are the feelings of Jewish members, whom, I
believe, are sincere in their efforts to keep U.S. money flowing to
Israel. But that minority does not a U.S. imperial policy make.

Secondly, the Lobby is quite clear in its efforts to suppress any
congressional dissent from the policy of complete support for Israel
which might hurt annual appropriations. Even one voice is attacked, as
I was, on grounds that if Congress is completely silent on the issue,
the press will have no one to quote, which effectively silences the
press as well. Any journalists or editors who step out of line are
quickly brought under control by well organized economic pressure
against the newspaper caught sinning.

I once made a trip through the Middle East, taking with me a reporter
friend who wrote for Knight-Ridder newspapers. He was writing honestly
about what he saw with respect to the Palestinians and other countries
bordering on Israel. The St. Paul Pioneer press executives received
threats from several of their large advertisers that their advertising
would be terminated if they continued publishing the journalist's
articles. It's a lesson quickly learned by those who controlled the
paper.

With respect to the positions of several administrations on the
question of Israel, there are two things that bring them into line: One
is pressure from members of Congress who bring that pressure resulting
in the demands of AIPAC, and the other is the desire on the part of the
President and his advisers to keep their respective political parties
>from crumbling under that pressure. I do not recall a single instance
where any administration saw the need for Israel's military power to
advance U.S. Imperial interests. In fact, as we saw in the Gulf War,
Israel's involvement was detrimental to what Bush, Sr. wanted to
accomplish in that war. They had, as you might remember, to suppress
any Israeli assistance so that the coalition would not be destroyed by
their involvement.

So far as the argument that we need to use Israel as a base for U.S.
operations, I'm not aware of any U.S. bases there of any kind. The U.S.
has enough military bases, and fleets, in the area to be able to handle
any kind of military needs without using Israel. In fact I can't think
of an instance where the U.S. would want to involve Israel militarily
for fear of upsetting the current allies the U.S. has, i.e., Saudi
Arabia and the Emirates. The public in those countries would not allow
the monarchies to continue their alliance with the U.S. should Israel
become involved.

I suppose one could argue that Bush's encouragement of Israel in the
Lebanon war this summer was the result of some imperial urge, but it
was merely an extension of the U.S. policy of helping Israel because of
the Lobby's continual pressure. In fact, I heard not one voice of
opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon this summer (except Chuck
Hagel). Lebanon always has been a "throw away" country so far as the
congress is concerned, that is, what happens there has no effect on
U.S. interests. There is no Lebanon Lobby. The same was true in 1982,
when the Congress fell completely silent over the invasion that year.

I think in the heart of hearts of both members of congress and of the
administrations they would prefer not to have Israel fouling things up
for U.S. foreign policy, which is to keep oil flowing to the Western
world to prevent an economic depression. But what our policy makers do
is to juggle the Lobby's pressure on them to support Israel with
keeping the oil countries from cutting off oil to the western nations.
So far they've been able to do that. With the exception of King Feisal
and his oil embargo, there hasn't been a Saudi leader able to stand up
to U.S. policy.

So I believe that divestment, and especially cutting off U.S. aid to
Israel would immediately result in Israel's giving up the West Bank and
leaving the Gaza to the Palestinians. Such pressure would work, I
think, because the Israeli public would be able to determine what is
causing their misery and would demand that an immediate peace agreement
be made with the Palestinians. It would work because of the democracy
there, unlike sanctions against a dictatorship where the public could
do little about changing their leaders' minds. One need only look at
the objectives of the Israeli Lobby to determine how to best change
their minds. The Lobby's principal objectives are to keep money flowing
>from the U.S. treasury to Israel, requiring a docile congress and a
compliant administration. As Willie Sutton once said, "That's where the
money is."

Jim Abourezk



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Questions about the Holocaust
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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On  1-Dec-2006, Binyamin Dissen  wrote:
>
> > On 1 Dec 2006 08:34:30 -0800 anndt@uni.edu wrote:
> >
> > :>I am a student at the University of Northern Iowa, and I am very
> > :>interested in Holocaust denial.
> >
> > I suggest that you go to your local mosque.
> >
> > Besides the Imam, who will provide you with "proof" that arab moslems did
> > not
> > eagerly join Hitler, the neo-nazis in the mosque will support the Iman's
> > claim.

Crap! All you have to do is examine the names on the cemeteris of
fallen soldiers at El Alamein, and see how many muslim names are there
in the German cemetery and in the British one.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: BUSH WANTS TO BUIL A BASE ON THE MOON
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THAT IS IF CHINA GIVES HIM  ENOUGH MONEY



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: CARTER TELLS IT LIKE IT IS, JEW SHIT RULES CONGRESS
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 December 4, 2006

The following letter was sent to me today by James Abourezk, former US
Senator from South Dakota, and he readily complied when I asked that I
be allowed to forward it to my list because what he had to say is of
the utmost importance, given last month's election and all the new
faces in Congress, and the immediate previous posting to you and James
Petras's article earlier in the day..


Dear Jeff:

I just finished reading your critique of Noam Chomsky's positions in an
e mail sent to me by Tony Saidy.

I had never paid much attention to Chomsky's writings, as I had all
along assumed that he was correct and proper in his position on the
Arab-Israeli conflict.

But now, upon learning that his first assumption is that Israel is
simply doing what the imperial leaders in the U.S. wants them to do, I
concur with you that this assumption is completely wrong.

I can tell you from personal experience that, at least in the Congress,
the support Israel has in that body is based completely on political
fear--fear of defeat by anyone who does not do what Israel wants done.
I can also tell you that very few members of Congress--at least when I
served there--have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they
have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly
how they feel. I've heard too many cloakroom conversations in which
members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how
they're pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one
hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one
of them is willing to risk the Lobby's animosity by making their
feelings public.

Thus, I see no desire on the part of Members of Congress to further any
U.S. imperial dreams by using Israel as their pit bull. The only
exceptions to that rule are the feelings of Jewish members, whom, I
believe, are sincere in their efforts to keep U.S. money flowing to
Israel. But that minority does not a U.S. imperial policy make.

Secondly, the Lobby is quite clear in its efforts to suppress any
congressional dissent from the policy of complete support for Israel
which might hurt annual appropriations. Even one voice is attacked, as
I was, on grounds that if Congress is completely silent on the issue,
the press will have no one to quote, which effectively silences the
press as well. Any journalists or editors who step out of line are
quickly brought under control by well organized economic pressure
against the newspaper caught sinning.

I once made a trip through the Middle East, taking with me a reporter
friend who wrote for Knight-Ridder newspapers. He was writing honestly
about what he saw with respect to the Palestinians and other countries
bordering on Israel. The St. Paul Pioneer press executives received
threats from several of their large advertisers that their advertising
would be terminated if they continued publishing the journalist's
articles. It's a lesson quickly learned by those who controlled the
paper.

With respect to the positions of several administrations on the
question of Israel, there are two things that bring them into line: One
is pressure from members of Congress who bring that pressure resulting
in the demands of AIPAC, and the other is the desire on the part of the
President and his advisers to keep their respective political parties
>from crumbling under that pressure. I do not recall a single instance
where any administration saw the need for Israel's military power to
advance U.S. Imperial interests. In fact, as we saw in the Gulf War,
Israel's involvement was detrimental to what Bush, Sr. wanted to
accomplish in that war. They had, as you might remember, to suppress
any Israeli assistance so that the coalition would not be destroyed by
their involvement.

So far as the argument that we need to use Israel as a base for U.S.
operations, I'm not aware of any U.S. bases there of any kind. The U.S.
has enough military bases, and fleets, in the area to be able to handle
any kind of military needs without using Israel. In fact I can't think
of an instance where the U.S. would want to involve Israel militarily
for fear of upsetting the current allies the U.S. has, i.e., Saudi
Arabia and the Emirates. The public in those countries would not allow
the monarchies to continue their alliance with the U.S. should Israel
become involved.

I suppose one could argue that Bush's encouragement of Israel in the
Lebanon war this summer was the result of some imperial urge, but it
was merely an extension of the U.S. policy of helping Israel because of
the Lobby's continual pressure. In fact, I heard not one voice of
opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon this summer (except Chuck
Hagel). Lebanon always has been a "throw away" country so far as the
congress is concerned, that is, what happens there has no effect on
U.S. interests. There is no Lebanon Lobby. The same was true in 1982,
when the Congress fell completely silent over the invasion that year.

I think in the heart of hearts of both members of congress and of the
administrations they would prefer not to have Israel fouling things up
for U.S. foreign policy, which is to keep oil flowing to the Western
world to prevent an economic depression. But what our policy makers do
is to juggle the Lobby's pressure on them to support Israel with
keeping the oil countries from cutting off oil to the western nations.
So far they've been able to do that. With the exception of King Feisal
and his oil embargo, there hasn't been a Saudi leader able to stand up
to U.S. policy.

So I believe that divestment, and especially cutting off U.S. aid to
Israel would immediately result in Israel's giving up the West Bank and
leaving the Gaza to the Palestinians. Such pressure would work, I
think, because the Israeli public would be able to determine what is
causing their misery and would demand that an immediate peace agreement
be made with the Palestinians. It would work because of the democracy
there, unlike sanctions against a dictatorship where the public could
do little about changing their leaders' minds. One need only look at
the objectives of the Israeli Lobby to determine how to best change
their minds. The Lobby's principal objectives are to keep money flowing
>from the U.S. treasury to Israel, requiring a docile congress and a
compliant administration. As Willie Sutton once said, "That's where the
money is."

Jim Abourezk



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 If he did, elhamdulellah, if he did not, he tried with good intent.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: An Afghan bomber?s tale sheds light on motives was Re: BUSH WANTS TO BUIL A BASE ON THE MOON
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BernardZ wrote:
> I don't think this is correct Alex. Islam is being used as a tool to
> kill.
>
   See it any way you want. The way Afghanis see it is what counts.
Maybe they do not want democracy or Americans or crap we feed them.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: KIKES HAVE THE CONGRESS BY THE BALLS
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 The following letter was sent to me today by James Abourezk, former US
Senator from South Dakota, and he readily complied when I asked that I
be allowed to forward it to my list because what he had to say is of
the utmost importance, given last month's election and all the new
faces in Congress, and the immediate previous posting to you and James
Petras's article earlier in the day..

Dear Jeff:

I just finished reading your critique of Noam Chomsky's positions in an
e mail sent to me by Tony Saidy.

I had never paid much attention to Chomsky's writings, as I had all
along assumed that he was correct and proper in his position on the
Arab-Israeli conflict.

But now, upon learning that his first assumption is that Israel is
simply doing what the imperial leaders in the U.S. wants them to do, I
concur with you that this assumption is completely wrong.

I can tell you from personal experience that, at least in the Congress,
the support Israel has in that body is based completely on political
fear--fear of defeat by anyone who does not do what Israel wants done.
I can also tell you that very few members of Congress--at least when I
served there--have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they
have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly
how they feel. I've heard too many cloakroom conversations in which
members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how
they're pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one
hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one
of them is willing to risk the Lobby's animosity by making their
feelings public.

Thus, I see no desire on the part of Members of Congress to further any
U.S. imperial dreams by using Israel as their pit bull. The only
exceptions to that rule are the feelings of Jewish members, whom, I
believe, are sincere in their efforts to keep U.S. money flowing to
Israel. But that minority does not a U.S. imperial policy make.

Secondly, the Lobby is quite clear in its efforts to suppress any
congressional dissent from the policy of complete support for Israel
which might hurt annual appropriations. Even one voice is attacked, as
I was, on grounds that if Congress is completely silent on the issue,
the press will have no one to quote, which effectively silences the
press as well. Any journalists or editors who step out of line are
quickly brought under control by well organized economic pressure
against the newspaper caught sinning.

I once made a trip through the Middle East, taking with me a reporter
friend who wrote for Knight-Ridder newspapers. He was writing honestly
about what he saw with respect to the Palestinians and other countries
bordering on Israel. The St. Paul Pioneer press executives received
threats from several of their large advertisers that their advertising
would be terminated if they continued publishing the journalist's
articles. It's a lesson quickly learned by those who controlled the
paper.

With respect to the positions of several administrations on the
question of Israel, there are two things that bring them into line: One
is pressure from members of Congress who bring that pressure resulting
in the demands of AIPAC, and the other is the desire on the part of the
President and his advisers to keep their respective political parties
>from crumbling under that pressure. I do not recall a single instance
where any administration saw the need for Israel's military power to
advance U.S. Imperial interests. In fact, as we saw in the Gulf War,
Israel's involvement was detrimental to what Bush, Sr. wanted to
accomplish in that war. They had, as you might remember, to suppress
any Israeli assistance so that the coalition would not be destroyed by
their involvement.

So far as the argument that we need to use Israel as a base for U.S.
operations, I'm not aware of any U.S. bases there of any kind. The U.S.
has enough military bases, and fleets, in the area to be able to handle
any kind of military needs without using Israel. In fact I can't think
of an instance where the U.S. would want to involve Israel militarily
for fear of upsetting the current allies the U.S. has, i.e., Saudi
Arabia and the Emirates. The public in those countries would not allow
the monarchies to continue their alliance with the U.S. should Israel
become involved.

I suppose one could argue that Bush's encouragement of Israel in the
Lebanon war this summer was the result of some imperial urge, but it
was merely an extension of the U.S. policy of helping Israel because of
the Lobby's continual pressure. In fact, I heard not one voice of
opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon this summer (except Chuck
Hagel). Lebanon always has been a "throw away" country so far as the
congress is concerned, that is, what happens there has no effect on
U.S. interests. There is no Lebanon Lobby. The same was true in 1982,
when the Congress fell completely silent over the invasion that year.

I think in the heart of hearts of both members of congress and of the
administrations they would prefer not to have Israel fouling things up
for U.S. foreign policy, which is to keep oil flowing to the Western
world to prevent an economic depression. But what our policy makers do
is to juggle the Lobby's pressure on them to support Israel with
keeping the oil countries from cutting off oil to the western nations.
So far they've been able to do that. With the exception of King Feisal
and his oil embargo, there hasn't been a Saudi leader able to stand up
to U.S. policy.

So I believe that divestment, and especially cutting off U.S. aid to
Israel would immediately result in Israel's giving up the West Bank and
leaving the Gaza to the Palestinians. Such pressure would work, I
think, because the Israeli public would be able to determine what is
causing their misery and would demand that an immediate peace agreement
be made with the Palestinians. It would work because of the democracy
there, unlike sanctions against a dictatorship where the public could
do little about changing their leaders' minds. One need only look at
the objectives of the Israeli Lobby to determine how to best change
their minds. The Lobby's principal objectives are to keep money flowing
>from the U.S. treasury to Israel, requiring a docile congress and a
compliant administration. As Willie Sutton once said, "That's where the
money is."

Jim Abourezk



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.venezuela
Subject: Re: Muslims embroiled in world conflicts was Re: ARE KIKES SEMITES?
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BernardZ wrote:
> Here is the proof Alex it appears that Islam is the cause of much of the
> conflict.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, KIKE? SUCK THE BANANA OF EVERY
MUSLIM YOU SE?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Salah Jafar wrote:
> Poland been very good to Jews through out History. But today, they are
> raping the nation just like they did when they created the Soviet Union. I
> went to school with many citizen from Poland. they are honorable and
> Generous people.
>
> SJ
Jews raped Ukraine also. Jews murdered about 40 members of my father's
family, sent millions to gulags, and on the way to Israel they stole
all whatever was not tied down.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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US to build base on Moon
Two astronauts approach a lunar outpost - as imagined by Nasa

The United States plans to set up a colony on the south pole of the
Earth's moon by around the year 2020.

The solar-powered colony will be a forward base for manned missions to
Mars and further exploration of the solar system, the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration said.

The project, which would send a man back to the lunar surface for the
first time since 1972, is designed as a long-term joint effort of 14 of
the world's space agencies.

George Bush, the US president, declared in 2004 a vision of sending a
manned exploratory mission to Mars.


The US space agency said in a statement that it had focused its Global
Exploration Strategy, first outlined in April, on two issues: "Why we
are returning to the moon and what we plan to do when we get there."



International effort



Nasa said it pulled together detailed answers to those questions by
polling more than 1,000 experts, from 13 other space agencies,
including those of China, India, Russia and Ukraine, and from public
and private organisations and businesses, including commercial space
exploration operations.


Nasa concept drawing of a large lunar lander

"This strategy will enable interested nations to leverage their
capabilities and financial and technical contributions, making optimum
use of globally available knowledge and resources to help energise a
coordinated effort that will propel us into this new age of discovery
and exploration," a Nasa administrator said.



The project will begin with four person crews visiting the moon on a
series of week-long visits to build up a living quarters with its own
power units and lunar exploration vehicles.



In the current plan, the first mission will be launched by 2020. Before
human missions are started, unmanned robotic missions will be
undertaken to lay the groundwork, handling landing site reconnaissance,
natural resource assessments, and technology risk checks.



Trip to Mars



After the permanent facilities are established, visits as long as 180
days can be made to plan, for example, trips to Mars.


The US envisions the human exploration of
 Mars (Picture: Nasa/Pat Rawlings, SAIC)

Nasa, Russia and the European Space Agency are currently constructing
the International Space Station in orbit around the Earth which could
itself be a springboard and operations base for the moon programme.



On Thursday, Nasa's space shuttle Discovery will launch on the newest
construction mission to the ISS, one of 14 planned between now and 2010
to complete the building of the ISS before the aging shuttle fleet is
retired.



"Nasa's goal is to enable a sustainable space exploration effort in
which participating organisations can achieve individual goals with
mutually beneficial results," said one official.



Nasa's lunar programme plans, under the Global Exploration Strategy,
are being laid out in a Space Exploration Conference on December 4-6 in
Houston, Texas.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Moscow has continuously denied four Israeli nationals convicted in
Russia permission to serve their prison terms at home, unless Israel
extradites Jewish Russian-born entrepreneur Leonid Nevzlin, once the
second-in-command of Yukos and business partner of the jailed Russian
tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, leading Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth
wrote Tuesday in a report headlined "Putin's Israeli Hostages".

According to the paper, four Israeli jewelers and diamond dealers
convicted of illicit diamond smuggling in Russia are currently held in
a Moscow prison. The authors of the story insist that the four men are
effectively held hostage as Russia, seeking extradition of Leonid
Nevzlin, refuses to allow them to serve their terms at home, in
violation of diplomatic accords signed by the two countries.

The wrongdoings attributed to the Israeli nationals were decriminalized
after the four were convicted. In talks with Israeli officials and
families of the convicts the Russian officials reportedly hinted at the
possibility of "the exchange".

Moscow and Tel-Aviv signed the extradition agreement two years ago.
Russia has already used it once when Israel extradited a
Russian-Israeli suspect on condition that if convicted he would serve
his prison term in Israel. Russia honored its commitments under the
treaty.

But ever since the Israeli jewelers were found guilty in Moscow two
years ago numerous requests made by Israel to let them return home have
been flatly rejected by Russia. Even personal requests made by top
Israeli ministers were ignored, Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

One of the convicts has recently wrote a letter to his relatives where
he claimed that in October 2005 he and his inmates were visited in
their cell by an unidentified man who informed them that their task was
to bring Nevzlin back to Russia and assured them that if they agreed to
help Russian law enforcers they would be discharged from prison; if not
they would have to serve their entire terms in Russia.

The NEWSru Israel website asked Leonid Nevzlin who currently lives in
Israel to comment on Yedioth Ahronoth's report. "I have heard that
those convicts were warned that if Israel refused to extradite Nevzlin
they could abandon hope for early release or transfer to an Israeli
prison. I also know that my extradition has many times been discussed
at meetings between top Israeli and Russian foreign ministry officials
but those conversations were never officially recorded," the
entrepreneur said.

Nevzlin also pointed out to an inaccuracy in Yedioth Ahronoth's
report. "In truth, there is no permanent extradition pact between
Russia and Israel saying that criminals shall serve their sentences at
home. Such an accord was achieved once, on the Zhuravlyov case
(Multiple murder suspect Andrei Zhuravlyov, aka Terrazini, was
extradited to Russia in 2002, after the court said he had obtained
Israeli citizenship unlawfully). As to the jewelers' case a separate
agreement was drawn up," Nevzlin said.

Nevzlin said he had no reason to doubt the facts unearthed by Yedioth
Ahronoth. "I view [Russia's actions] as a hostage-taking in spite
of the fact that those people had been arrested before I moved to
Israel. In fact, what we deal with here is blackmail where innocent
Israeli are being used as bargaining chips," Nevzlin said.



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zr wrote:
> In your ignorance you have no idea what you imply.

I guess you cannot read you illiterate mongrel. I quoted a Jew doctor
on the subject you of course are too stupid to understand



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From: "Venceremos" 
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IRAQ IS BROKE -- MAYBE WE WILL BE, TOO IRAQ IS BROKE -- MAYBE WE WILL
BE, TOO
Unless American leadership is even crazier than it has been these last
few years, we will be out or well on our way out of the grotesquely
expensive disaster in the desert. But many Americans who consider
themselves middle-class may be on hard or harder times two years from
now. We are living in a house of cards.

Indeed, credit cards, hundreds of millions of them, are part of the
reason for the troubles next time. But easy, expensive credit isn't the
only danger for "ordinary" Americans. A falling real estate market is a
sword over the heads of Americans who have maintained their lifestyle
by borrowing against the rising value of their homes. And, most
important, whether buying with cash or plastic, ordinary Americans are
simply making less money for more work.



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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 21-Nov-2006, James A. Donald  wrote:
>
> > James A. Donald:
> > > > America did not support Israel until AFTER the
> > > > Israelis decisively defeated the arabs in the six
> > > > day war - did not support Israel until it became
> > > > apparent that Israel was a potentially very valuable
> > > > ally.  No doubt the Jewish lobby has
> > > > disproportionate influence, but ultimately America
> > > > follows America's interests, not Israel's.
> >
> > "brique"
> > > Well, thats one way of repeating the essence of what I
> > > said
> >
> > The essence of what you said was that Jews stole the
> > land by means of American power, rather than their own.
>
> Except, of course, no theft occurred.
SURE, JEWS JUST STOLE IT FAIR AND SQUARE!
> 
> Susan



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Mirelle wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Salah Jafar wrote:
> > > Poland been very good to Jews through out History. But today, they are
> > > raping the nation just like they did when they created the Soviet Union. I
> > > went to school with many citizen from Poland. they are honorable and Generous people.
> > > SJ
>
> > Jews raped Ukraine also. Jews murdered about 40 members of my father's
> > family, sent millions to gulags, and on the way to Israel they stole
> > all whatever was not tied down.
>
> Sorry about you dear family's deaths.

I forgave Jews and so did my father long ago. But what bothers me that
they just continue killing. Thanks for your kind thought
> 
> Mirelle



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micegr@aol.com wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > IRAQ IS BROKE -- MAYBE WE WILL BE, TOO IRAQ IS BROKE -- MAYBE WE WILL
> > BE, TOO
> > Unless American leadership is even crazier than it has been these last
> > few years, we will be out or well on our way out of the grotesquely
> > expensive disaster in the desert. But many Americans who consider
> > themselves middle-class may be on hard or harder times two years from
> > now. We are living in a house of cards.
> >
> > Indeed, credit cards, hundreds of millions of them, are part of the
> > reason for the troubles next time. But easy, expensive credit isn't the
> > only danger for "ordinary" Americans. A falling real estate market is a
> > sword over the heads of Americans who have maintained their lifestyle
> > by borrowing against the rising value of their homes. And, most
> > important, whether buying with cash or plastic, ordinary Americans are
> > simply making less money for more work.
>
> Broke you say...these guys want it more broke....they give a fuck about
> people...there is a sect in this country who contrall all...and this is
> ...ask Bush.....he knows...
> His old man crying like a baby....he does so...becouse he knows of the
> repercurcions....of his sociaty.....some call them ....bones and
> stuff...
> wait ....you will see more....from those like them....
>
> Mike

Look at this waste of zillions:

ANNISTON, Ala. - Field upon field of more than 1,000 battered M1
tanks, howitzers and other armored vehicles sit amid weeds here at the
15,000-acre Anniston Army Depot - the idle, hulking formations
symbolic of an Army that is wearing out faster than it is being
rebuilt.

The Army and Marine Corps have sunk more than 40 percent of their
ground combat equipment into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,
according to government data. An estimated $17 billion-plus worth of
military equipment is destroyed or worn out each year, blasted by
bombs, ground down by desert sand and used up to nine times the rate in
times of peace. The gear is piling up at depots such as Anniston,
waiting to be repaired.

The depletion of major equipment such as tanks, Bradley Fighting
Vehicles, and especially helicopters and armored Humvees has left many
military units in the United States without adequate training gear,
officials say. Partly as a result of the shortages, many U.S. units are
rated "unready" to deploy, officials say, raising alarm in Congress and
concern among military leaders at a time when Iraq strategy is under
review by the White House and the bipartisan Iraq Study Group.

Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army's chief of staff, is lobbying hard
for more money to repair what he calls the "holes" in his force, saying
current war funding is inadequate to make the Army "well." Asked in a
congressional hearing this past summer whether he was comfortable with
the readiness levels of non-deployed Army units, Schoomaker replied:
"No."

Lt. Col. Mike Johnson, a senior Army planner, said: "Before, if a unit
was less than C-1," or fully ready, "someone would get fired." Now, he
said, that is accepted as combat-zone rotations are sapping all units
of gear and manpower. "It's a cost of continuous operations. You can't
be ready all the time," he said.

Across the military, scarce equipment is being shifted from unit to
unit for training. For example, a brigade of 3,800 soldiers from the
3rd Infantry Division that will deploy to Iraq next month has been
passing around a single training set of 44 Humvees, none of which has
the added armor of the Humvees they will drive in Iraq.

The military's ground forces are only beginning the vast and costly job
of replacing, repairing and upgrading combat equipment - work that
will cost an estimated $17 billion to $19 billion annually for several
more years, regardless of any shift in Iraq strategy. The Army alone
has 280,000 major pieces of equipment in combat zones that will
eventually have to be fixed or replaced. Before the war, the Army spent
$2.5 billion to $3 billion a year on wear and tear.

At Anniston, the sprawling lots of tanks and other armored vehicles are
just the start of a huge backlog in broken-down gear.

"There's stuff, stuff everywhere," Joan Gustafson, a depot official,
said as she wheeled her brown Chevrolet van through a landscape of
rolling hills lined with armadas of mobile guns.

"There's another field of M1s," she said, motioning toward a swath of
M1A1 Abrams tanks next to the winding road. "We're just waiting for
someone to tell us what to do with them."

The Army's five depots carry out the highest level of maintenance for
Army gear ranging from rifles and other small arms to tanks,
helicopters and missile systems. Since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in
2003, the Army has left behind hundreds of thousands of pieces of
equipment in Iraq and has relied heavily on field maintenance
facilities in Kuwait.

But as the war has continued, Army leaders have recognized that they
cannot afford to wait for a drawdown of troops before they begin
overhauling equipment - some of it 20 years old - that is being
used at extraordinary rates. Helicopters are flying two or three times
their planned usage rates. Tank crews are driving more than 4,000 miles
a year - five times the normal rate. Truck fleets that convoy
supplies down Iraq's bomb-laden roads are running at six times the
planned mileage, according to Army data.

Equipment shipped back from Iraq is stacking up at all the Army depots:
More than 530 M1 tanks, 220 M88 wreckers and 160 M113 armored personnel
carriers are sitting at Anniston. The Red River Army Depot in Texas has
700 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 450 heavy and medium-weight trucks,
while more than 1,000 Humvees are awaiting repair at the Letterkenny
Army Depot in Pennsylvania.

Despite the work piling up, the Army's depots have been operating at
about half their capacity because of a lack of funding for repairs. In
the spring, a funding gap caused Anniston and other depots to lose
about a month's worth of work, said Brig. Gen. Robert Radin, deputy
chief of staff for operations at the Army Materiel Command at Fort
Belvoir.

"Last year we spent as much time trying to find available money as
managing our program," he said. "We don't want to go into the next
rotation . . . with equipment that's at the far end of its expected
life."

Responding to urgent requests from the Army and Marine Corps, Congress
approved an extra $23.8 billion in October to replace worn-out
equipment in fiscal 2007. With the money, the Army plans to double the
workload at its depots, which will repair and upgrade 130,000 pieces in
2007, up from 63,000 last year. This will include a quadrupling of the
number of tanks, Bradleys and other tracked vehicles overhauled, from
1,000 to 4,000.

At Anniston, which will handle 1,800 combat vehicles in fiscal 2007, a
cavernous 250,000-square-foot repair shop is humming as damaged tanks
are rolled in one by one and disassembled with the help of giant
cranes. Removing an M1 tank's turret alone takes a day and a half, and
the entire overhaul requires 54 days and costs about $1 million, said
Ted A. Law, the depot's vehicle manager.

Earnest Linn, 58, a heavy-mobile-equipment mechanic who as of January
will have worked at Anniston for 30 years, said that "it's never been
like this" since the end of the Vietnam War.

In October, Anniston became the official repair facility for the Army's
newest armored vehicle, the Stryker. Repairs for those vehicles will
soar from eight in fiscal 2006 to 75 this fiscal year - including 58
that received some level of battle damage, said Gregory McMath, program
manager for Stryker repair.

"This one hit a triple-stacked land mine," he said, peering up into the
underbelly of a Stryker ripped open by the blast. Some of the Strykers
are coming in with 40,000 miles on their odometers, he said.

Workers at Anniston take pride in patching, rebuilding and testing the
broken-down gear and returning it to like-new condition. Often, they
must innovate by taking parts from wrecked vehicles if new parts do not
exist or have not been ordered in time.

"The supply system can't keep up with us," said Rodney Brodeur,
division chief for turbine engines, speaking over the clang and whir of
his workshop. It is projected that in 2007, Anniston will rebuild 1,400
turbine engines for M1 tanks, compared with 800 this year.

Fine sand and heavy use erode the blades on the tank engine rotors,
eventually leading the blades to snap off and stall the engines. Such
erosion, which is invisible to the Army's field mechanics, can lead to
catastrophic failure without timely maintenance.

"If your Cadillac stops by the side of the road, that's an
inconvenience," Brodeur said. "If the tank quits in the middle of the
fight, that's a hard target."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401347.html



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ANNISTON, Ala. - Field upon field of more than 1,000 battered M1
tanks, howitzers and other armored vehicles sit amid weeds here at the
15,000-acre Anniston Army Depot - the idle, hulking formations
symbolic of an Army that is wearing out faster than it is being
rebuilt.

The Army and Marine Corps have sunk more than 40 percent of their
ground combat equipment into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,
according to government data. An estimated $17 billion-plus worth of
military equipment is destroyed or worn out each year, blasted by
bombs, ground down by desert sand and used up to nine times the rate in
times of peace. The gear is piling up at depots such as Anniston,
waiting to be repaired.

The depletion of major equipment such as tanks, Bradley Fighting
Vehicles, and especially helicopters and armored Humvees has left many
military units in the United States without adequate training gear,
officials say. Partly as a result of the shortages, many U.S. units are
rated "unready" to deploy, officials say, raising alarm in Congress and
concern among military leaders at a time when Iraq strategy is under
review by the White House and the bipartisan Iraq Study Group.

Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army's chief of staff, is lobbying hard
for more money to repair what he calls the "holes" in his force, saying
current war funding is inadequate to make the Army "well." Asked in a
congressional hearing this past summer whether he was comfortable with
the readiness levels of non-deployed Army units, Schoomaker replied:
"No."

Lt. Col. Mike Johnson, a senior Army planner, said: "Before, if a unit
was less than C-1," or fully ready, "someone would get fired." Now, he
said, that is accepted as combat-zone rotations are sapping all units
of gear and manpower. "It's a cost of continuous operations. You can't
be ready all the time," he said.

Across the military, scarce equipment is being shifted from unit to
unit for training. For example, a brigade of 3,800 soldiers from the
3rd Infantry Division that will deploy to Iraq next month has been
passing around a single training set of 44 Humvees, none of which has
the added armor of the Humvees they will drive in Iraq.

The military's ground forces are only beginning the vast and costly job
of replacing, repairing and upgrading combat equipment - work that
will cost an estimated $17 billion to $19 billion annually for several
more years, regardless of any shift in Iraq strategy. The Army alone
has 280,000 major pieces of equipment in combat zones that will
eventually have to be fixed or replaced. Before the war, the Army spent
$2.5 billion to $3 billion a year on wear and tear.

At Anniston, the sprawling lots of tanks and other armored vehicles are
just the start of a huge backlog in broken-down gear.

"There's stuff, stuff everywhere," Joan Gustafson, a depot official,
said as she wheeled her brown Chevrolet van through a landscape of
rolling hills lined with armadas of mobile guns.

"There's another field of M1s," she said, motioning toward a swath of
M1A1 Abrams tanks next to the winding road. "We're just waiting for
someone to tell us what to do with them."

The Army's five depots carry out the highest level of maintenance for
Army gear ranging from rifles and other small arms to tanks,
helicopters and missile systems. Since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in
2003, the Army has left behind hundreds of thousands of pieces of
equipment in Iraq and has relied heavily on field maintenance
facilities in Kuwait.

But as the war has continued, Army leaders have recognized that they
cannot afford to wait for a drawdown of troops before they begin
overhauling equipment - some of it 20 years old - that is being
used at extraordinary rates. Helicopters are flying two or three times
their planned usage rates. Tank crews are driving more than 4,000 miles
a year - five times the normal rate. Truck fleets that convoy
supplies down Iraq's bomb-laden roads are running at six times the
planned mileage, according to Army data.

Equipment shipped back from Iraq is stacking up at all the Army depots:
More than 530 M1 tanks, 220 M88 wreckers and 160 M113 armored personnel
carriers are sitting at Anniston. The Red River Army Depot in Texas has
700 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 450 heavy and medium-weight trucks,
while more than 1,000 Humvees are awaiting repair at the Letterkenny
Army Depot in Pennsylvania.

Despite the work piling up, the Army's depots have been operating at
about half their capacity because of a lack of funding for repairs. In
the spring, a funding gap caused Anniston and other depots to lose
about a month's worth of work, said Brig. Gen. Robert Radin, deputy
chief of staff for operations at the Army Materiel Command at Fort
Belvoir.

"Last year we spent as much time trying to find available money as
managing our program," he said. "We don't want to go into the next
rotation . . . with equipment that's at the far end of its expected
life."

Responding to urgent requests from the Army and Marine Corps, Congress
approved an extra $23.8 billion in October to replace worn-out
equipment in fiscal 2007. With the money, the Army plans to double the
workload at its depots, which will repair and upgrade 130,000 pieces in
2007, up from 63,000 last year. This will include a quadrupling of the
number of tanks, Bradleys and other tracked vehicles overhauled, from
1,000 to 4,000.

At Anniston, which will handle 1,800 combat vehicles in fiscal 2007, a
cavernous 250,000-square-foot repair shop is humming as damaged tanks
are rolled in one by one and disassembled with the help of giant
cranes. Removing an M1 tank's turret alone takes a day and a half, and
the entire overhaul requires 54 days and costs about $1 million, said
Ted A. Law, the depot's vehicle manager.

Earnest Linn, 58, a heavy-mobile-equipment mechanic who as of January
will have worked at Anniston for 30 years, said that "it's never been
like this" since the end of the Vietnam War.

In October, Anniston became the official repair facility for the Army's
newest armored vehicle, the Stryker. Repairs for those vehicles will
soar from eight in fiscal 2006 to 75 this fiscal year - including 58
that received some level of battle damage, said Gregory McMath, program
manager for Stryker repair.

"This one hit a triple-stacked land mine," he said, peering up into the
underbelly of a Stryker ripped open by the blast. Some of the Strykers
are coming in with 40,000 miles on their odometers, he said.

Workers at Anniston take pride in patching, rebuilding and testing the
broken-down gear and returning it to like-new condition. Often, they
must innovate by taking parts from wrecked vehicles if new parts do not
exist or have not been ordered in time.

"The supply system can't keep up with us," said Rodney Brodeur,
division chief for turbine engines, speaking over the clang and whir of
his workshop. It is projected that in 2007, Anniston will rebuild 1,400
turbine engines for M1 tanks, compared with 800 this year.

Fine sand and heavy use erode the blades on the tank engine rotors,
eventually leading the blades to snap off and stall the engines. Such
erosion, which is invisible to the Army's field mechanics, can lead to
catastrophic failure without timely maintenance.

"If your Cadillac stops by the side of the road, that's an
inconvenience," Brodeur said. "If the tank quits in the middle of the
fight, that's a hard target."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401347.html



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From: "Venceremos" 
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NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> >Salah Jafar wrote:
> > http://www.ela-salaty.com/downloads.php
>
> I don't understand that site.  I purposely have never wanted to learn
> Arabic.  I ain't stupid you start learning Arabic you'll end up living
> with the Arabs not that the Arabs are so bad to live with but Jews and
> Christians kill Arabs and Arabs kill Jews and Christians.  I don't want
> to kill anyone.  I did my time in the military 4 years in the USMC and
> I never lost a man under me in any of the units I was attached to and
> we were in 3 combat operations and now I'm honorably discharged.

FUCKING LIAR!

 always wondered why Jews need so many enemies? Arabs saved their arse
during the time of Isabella of Spain, and welcomed them to their
countries. Even muslim Bosnia took in 65,000 Jews. One of the oldest
synagogues in Europe is still standing in middle of muslim Sarajevo.
During the Bosnian war, President Izetbegovic went to the synagogue
which was relentlesly shelled by the Serbs and salvaged ancient Jewish
books, which Jews brought from Spain. Most muslim countries did not
require Jews to serve in the army, nor did they persecute them the way
Russians and Europeans did. Venice made Jews wear a special hat, and
made them live in one part of town away from venice.

And yet, there is nobody in this world whom Jews hate more than they
hate muslims



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From: "Venceremos" 
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ZR GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN TO READ



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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On  5-Dec-2006, "ljsprojects"  wrote:
>
> > Venceremos wrote:
>
> At least the lying bigot has found a friend.
Fat arsed Susy, you lie more than anyone on the face of this Earth, you
need to go to Lebanon and get your clacker trimmed by Hezbollah!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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B'enyamin C'''ram'er wrote:
> "zr"  wrote in message
> news:sKjdh.2398$Ca.305@read2.cgocable.net...
> > bullshit
>
> Of course, you're obliged to take that stance.
>
> Sad, innit.
Bullshit is what ZR has for breakfast every morning!
>
>
>
> >
> > "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> > news:1165332075.054731.298390@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> December 4, 2006
> >>
> >> The following letter was sent to me today by James Abourezk, former US
> >> Senator from South Dakota, and he readily complied when I asked that I
> >> be allowed to forward it to my list because what he had to say is of
> >> the utmost importance, given last month's election and all the new
> >> faces in Congress, and the immediate previous posting to you and James
> >> Petras's article earlier in the day..
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Jeff:
> >>
> >> I just finished reading your critique of Noam Chomsky's positions in an
> >> e mail sent to me by Tony Saidy.
> >>
> >> I had never paid much attention to Chomsky's writings, as I had all
> >> along assumed that he was correct and proper in his position on the
> >> Arab-Israeli conflict.
> >>
> >> But now, upon learning that his first assumption is that Israel is
> >> simply doing what the imperial leaders in the U.S. wants them to do, I
> >> concur with you that this assumption is completely wrong.
> >>
> >> I can tell you from personal experience that, at least in the Congress,
> >> the support Israel has in that body is based completely on political
> >> fear--fear of defeat by anyone who does not do what Israel wants done.
> >> I can also tell you that very few members of Congress--at least when I
> >> served there--have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they
> >> have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly
> >> how they feel. I've heard too many cloakroom conversations in which
> >> members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how
> >> they're pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one
> >> hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one
> >> of them is willing to risk the Lobby's animosity by making their
> >> feelings public.
> >>
> >> Thus, I see no desire on the part of Members of Congress to further any
> >> U.S. imperial dreams by using Israel as their pit bull. The only
> >> exceptions to that rule are the feelings of Jewish members, whom, I
> >> believe, are sincere in their efforts to keep U.S. money flowing to
> >> Israel. But that minority does not a U.S. imperial policy make.
> >>
> >> Secondly, the Lobby is quite clear in its efforts to suppress any
> >> congressional dissent from the policy of complete support for Israel
> >> which might hurt annual appropriations. Even one voice is attacked, as
> >> I was, on grounds that if Congress is completely silent on the issue,
> >> the press will have no one to quote, which effectively silences the
> >> press as well. Any journalists or editors who step out of line are
> >> quickly brought under control by well organized economic pressure
> >> against the newspaper caught sinning.
> >>
> >> I once made a trip through the Middle East, taking with me a reporter
> >> friend who wrote for Knight-Ridder newspapers. He was writing honestly
> >> about what he saw with respect to the Palestinians and other countries
> >> bordering on Israel. The St. Paul Pioneer press executives received
> >> threats from several of their large advertisers that their advertising
> >> would be terminated if they continued publishing the journalist's
> >> articles. It's a lesson quickly learned by those who controlled the
> >> paper.
> >>
> >> With respect to the positions of several administrations on the
> >> question of Israel, there are two things that bring them into line: One
> >> is pressure from members of Congress who bring that pressure resulting
> >> in the demands of AIPAC, and the other is the desire on the part of the
> >> President and his advisers to keep their respective political parties
> >> from crumbling under that pressure. I do not recall a single instance
> >> where any administration saw the need for Israel's military power to
> >> advance U.S. Imperial interests. In fact, as we saw in the Gulf War,
> >> Israel's involvement was detrimental to what Bush, Sr. wanted to
> >> accomplish in that war. They had, as you might remember, to suppress
> >> any Israeli assistance so that the coalition would not be destroyed by
> >> their involvement.
> >>
> >> So far as the argument that we need to use Israel as a base for U.S.
> >> operations, I'm not aware of any U.S. bases there of any kind. The U.S.
> >> has enough military bases, and fleets, in the area to be able to handle
> >> any kind of military needs without using Israel. In fact I can't think
> >> of an instance where the U.S. would want to involve Israel militarily
> >> for fear of upsetting the current allies the U.S. has, i.e., Saudi
> >> Arabia and the Emirates. The public in those countries would not allow
> >> the monarchies to continue their alliance with the U.S. should Israel
> >> become involved.
> >>
> >> I suppose one could argue that Bush's encouragement of Israel in the
> >> Lebanon war this summer was the result of some imperial urge, but it
> >> was merely an extension of the U.S. policy of helping Israel because of
> >> the Lobby's continual pressure. In fact, I heard not one voice of
> >> opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon this summer (except Chuck
> >> Hagel). Lebanon always has been a "throw away" country so far as the
> >> congress is concerned, that is, what happens there has no effect on
> >> U.S. interests. There is no Lebanon Lobby. The same was true in 1982,
> >> when the Congress fell completely silent over the invasion that year.
> >>
> >> I think in the heart of hearts of both members of congress and of the
> >> administrations they would prefer not to have Israel fouling things up
> >> for U.S. foreign policy, which is to keep oil flowing to the Western
> >> world to prevent an economic depression. But what our policy makers do
> >> is to juggle the Lobby's pressure on them to support Israel with
> >> keeping the oil countries from cutting off oil to the western nations.
> >> So far they've been able to do that. With the exception of King Feisal
> >> and his oil embargo, there hasn't been a Saudi leader able to stand up
> >> to U.S. policy.
> >>
> >> So I believe that divestment, and especially cutting off U.S. aid to
> >> Israel would immediately result in Israel's giving up the West Bank and
> >> leaving the Gaza to the Palestinians. Such pressure would work, I
> >> think, because the Israeli public would be able to determine what is
> >> causing their misery and would demand that an immediate peace agreement
> >> be made with the Palestinians. It would work because of the democracy
> >> there, unlike sanctions against a dictatorship where the public could
> >> do little about changing their leaders' minds. One need only look at
> >> the objectives of the Israeli Lobby to determine how to best change
> >> their minds. The Lobby's principal objectives are to keep money flowing
> >> from the U.S. treasury to Israel, requiring a docile congress and a
> >> compliant administration. As Willie Sutton once said, "That's where the
> >> money is."
> >>
> >> Jim Abourezk
> >>
> >
> >



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Baba Bey wrote:
> See how this Christian Pope has manipulated and perverted historic facts:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy

You cannot blame him. Most of Europe became monotheistic only well into
the 10th century. Khan Boris ordered that Bulgarians be converted to
Christianity in 11th century. But Bulgars were still not sure whether
to become muslims or Christians well into the 18th century.

Gaul (France Germany, East Europe) never completely accepted monotheism
to this very day.
And now they are having second thoughts about Christianity, itself. As
is USA.



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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> December 5, 2006
>
> SMEARING DENNIS PRAGER
>
> When Keith Ellison-a Muslim recently elected to the U.S.
> Congress-said he would use the Koran, not the Bible, at his
> swearing-in next month, he was criticized by commentator and talk-show
> host Dennis Prager, a Jewish scholar and the author of a book on
> anti-Semitism. On November 28, Prager wrote that if Ellison were to
> follow through, it would send a damaging signal to American unity. For
> that observation, Prager was viciously attacked by the Anti-Defamation
> League (ADL) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
 
I wonder if Jews uise the Book of Mormon to swear in on?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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After telling the UN assembly in 2003 that Saddam Hussein had weapons
of mass destruction, the former Secretary of State admitted in May 2004
the claims were "inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately
misleading".

Colonel Tim Collins

The Army colonel made a famous rousing speech to troops on the eve of
battle. But in September 2005, he declared:

"History might notice the invasion has arguably acted as the best
recruiting sergeant for al-Qa'ida ever."

Paul Bremer

The former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq admitted
in January 2006:

"It the invasion was a much tougher job than I think I expected it to
be... we really didn't see the insurgency coming."

Zalmay Khalilzad

Contradicting the usually upbeat rhetoric, the US ambassador in Iraq
said in March: "We have opened a Pandora's box". And unless the
violence abated, Iraq would "make Taliban Afghanistan look like child's
play".

Jack Straw

The former foreign secretary, one of the cheerleaders for the war, said
in September: "The current situation is dire. I think many mistakes
were made after the military action - there is no question about it -
by the United States administration."
Gen Sir Richard Dannatt

The British General admitted in an interview in October: "I don't say
that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by
our presence in Iraq but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates
them."

Richard Perle

Regarded as one of the intellectual godfathers of the war, Perle
changed his tack in November, admitting that "huge mistakes were made"
in the invasion of Iraq. "The levels of brutality we've seen are truly
horrifying," he added.

Ken Adelman

Last month, the noted neoconservative said: "The national security
team... turned out to be among the most incompetent in the post-war
era. Not only did each of them have enormous flaws, but together they
were deadly."

Donald Rumsfeld

A memo from the hardline former defence secretary revealed this week
that he had been looking for a change of tactics. "In my view, it is
time for a major adjustment... what US forces are doing in Iraq is not
working well enough..."

Robert Gates

Yesterday, Mr Rumsfeld's proposed successor was asked at a Senate
hearing whether the US was winning the war in Iraq. "No, sir," he
replied. And he warned that the situation could lead to a "regional
conflagration".

Tony Blair ...

George Bush ...

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article2042969.ece



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Another case of non-kosher food served on an El Al plane was reported
on Thursday in the wake of Haredim and the El Al leadership seemingly
heading toward compromise over a similar case reported on Tuesday and
last week's Shabbat flight.

Army Radio reported that passengers were unknowingly served non-kosher
sandwiches on a flight from Budapest last Thursday after the kosher
food brought from Israel had spoiled due to the plane's long stay at
Budapest airport as it was unable to depart due to the general strike
in Israel.

El Al officials denied the report, saying that they had relayed a
message to all passengers about the issue.



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Bush's Meeting With A Murderer
Robert Dreyfuss
December 04, 2006

Robert Dreyfuss is an Alexandria, Va.-based writer specializing in
politics and national security issues. He is the author of Devil's
Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam (Henry
Holt/Metropolitan Books, 2005), a contributing editor at The Nation and
a writer for Mother Jones, The American Prospect and Rolling Stone. He
can be reached through his website, www.robertdreyfuss.com.
President George W. Bush meets today with Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, the
turbaned leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in
Iraq (SCIRI), a Shiite fundamentalist party that is strongly tied to
Iran. In so doing, the president is meeting with someone who, perhaps
more than anyone else in Iraq, is responsible for trying to destroy
Iraqi national unity, prevent national reconciliation among Iraq's
ethnic and sectarian mix, and push Iraq into civil war. Al-Hakim, who
was virtually Fed-Ex'd into Iraq by the Pentagon in March 2003, was a
mainstay of the Iraqi National Congress, led by neoconservative darling
Ahmed Chalabi throughout the 1990s. And today al-Hakim controls the
SCIRI militia, the Badr Brigade, the Iraqi interior ministry and many
of Iraq's feared death squads. Not to put too fine a point on it,
Hakim is a mass murderer.
What's stunning about Bush's encounter with al-Hakim is that it
occurs precisely at the moment when critically important bridges are
being built across Iraq's Sunni-Shiite divide-bridges that al-Hakim
is trying to blow up.

During a stop in Amman, Jordan, on his way to the United States,
al-Hakim point blank tried to torpedo the idea of an international
conference that might bring together Iraq's various factions. Such a
conference was explicitly proposed by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan
last week, who offered to host it. A similar conference, or one like
it, is likely to be part of the recommendations that will be issued on
Wednesday by the Iraq Study Group, the panel co-chaired by former
Secretary of State James Baker and former Indiana Representative Lee
Hamilton. But al-Hakim trashes the idea. "It is unreasonable or
incorrect to discuss issues related to the Iraqi people at
international conferences," said the Shiite radical. "The proposal
is unrealistic, incorrect and illegal." (It is, of course, perfectly
legal.)
It is not the first time that al-Hakim has tried to undermine
reconciliation efforts. During repeated attempts by the Arab League to
organize a conference that would bring Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish
leaders together with representatives of the armed resistance in search
of an accord, al-Hakim almost single-handedly destroyed the idea. And
it is al-Hakim, whose SCIRI controls much of Iraq's south, who is the
driving force behind efforts to create a separatist Shiite-run state in
Iraq's south.

Hakim's wrecking-ball effort is taking place in the context of
unprecedented efforts by leaders of Iraq's factions to create what
many Iraqi leaders are calling a "government of national
salvation."
Such a government would topple and replace the ineffectual, clownish
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Supporters of the idea, who are getting ready to announce a National
Salvation Front in Iraq, include rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, many of
Iraq's Sunni leaders in and out of government, representatives of the
Iraqi resistance and perhaps even some important Kurdish leaders.
Last week, when the feckless Maliki traveled to Jordan to meet Bush,
Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his 30 members of parliament to suspend their
participation and pulled five cabinet ministers out of Maliki's
government. Sadr's Mahdi Army, one of the most powerful of Iraq's
armed factions and one which has been involved in death squads and
assassinations itself, controls large parts of east Baghdad and many
areas of the south, and they have fiercely opposed Hakim's SCIRI.
According to Sadr, his political forces will not rejoin the government
until the United States has announced a timetable for the end of the
U.S. occupation of Iraq.

Sadr is now reaching out to Sunni and Kurdish leaders to form an
anti-occupation bloc that will represent the vast majority of Iraqi
public opinion. Polls have shown that up to 80 percent of Sunni Arabs
and 60 percent of Shiite Arabs want an immediate end to the occupation.
Among those supporting the new National Salvation Front, along with
Sadr, are Saleh Mutlaq, the Sunni leader of Iraq's National Dialogue
Front; Tariq al-Hashemi, a leader of the Iraqi Islamic Party; former
Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, and many others. According to the Iraqi
newspaper Al-Arab Al-Yawm, Mutlaq described the front as a broad
cross-section of Iraqis opposed to the U.S. occupation:
Mutlaq added that the new front will include a number of groups that
are not participating in the current Iraqi government including
Baathists, pan-Arabists, the Founding Conference that includes 46
political movements, the old Iraqi army leadership, and tribal leaders
>from the middle and south of Iraq. In addition, the front will include
representatives from Turcoman, Yazidi, and Kurdish patriotic leaders
who are against the occupation and for Iraq's unity, and other
Christian movements that believe in Iraq's unity.
Mutlaq also said that seven leading Iraqi Shiite ayatollahs will
support the new grouping.

Even as the National Salvation Front takes shape, there is strong
evidence that Sunni and Shiite clerics are reaching out to each other.
Two weeks ago, Muqtada al-Sadr demanded that Sunni clerics issue a
fatwa , or religious order, condemning killings of Iraqi civilians by
al-Qaida types and offering Sunni help to rebuild the domed mosque in
Samarra that was destroyed in a bombing in February. It was that
bombing that touched over the most severe phase of Iraq's civil war,
setting of a wave of reprisal killings among Shiites and Sunnis.
Since Sadr's call, several leading Sunni clerics have done as Sadr
asked, according to the Los Angeles Times, including top Sunni
religious leaders in Basra, Nasariyah, Amarah and Samaweh. All four
were associated with the Association of Muslim Scholars (AMS), the
leading Sunni religious group in Iraq, which has close ties to the
Sunni insurgency. Not only that, but Harith al-Dhari, the leader of the
AMS, issued a blunt condemnation of al-Qaida:
Al Qaeda is part of the resistance, but the resistance is of two kinds.
The resistance that only resists occupation, this we support one
hundred per cent. The resistance that mixes up resisting the occupation
and killing innocents, even if it calls itself resistance, this we
condemn.
Two weeks ago, the Iraqi interior ministry, which is heavily controlled
by Hakim's SCIRI, issued an arrest warrant for al-Dhari, accusing him
of maintaining ties to "terrorists."

This sort of inter-communal reconciliation is precisely what Iraq
needs. Furthermore, to build it will require that Iraqis come together
on the one issue about which most of them agree: ending the U.S.
occupation. There is, without doubt, a majority of Iraq's parliament
opposed to the occupation. To create a replacement government of
anti-U.S. Iraqis, who would then demand that the United States leave
Iraq, would be a difficult task at best, because of the very presence
of 150,000 U.S. troops and America's overbearing ambassador, Zalmay
Khalilzad. Furthermore, it is a fragile effort: a major assassination
or targeted violence could shatter it before it even gets off the
ground.

Still, it is perhaps Iraq's last, best hope for ending its civil war
and starting to recreate a functioning state. Against this, there is
talk inside the Bush administration, of "picking a winner," of
choosing sides in Iraq's civil war-which, of course, means backing
the Shiites. Such a notion is a nonstarter, if for no other reason than
the question: Which Shiites? For the Bush administration, it could only
mean SCIRI, Hakim's band of thugs and assassins.
If so, it would be the last, ugly mistake for President Bush's merry
band of incompetents, bunglers and war criminals. The release of the
Baker-Hamilton report on Iraq on Wednesday will signal the end of the
Bush administration's neoconservative-driven war policy, and the
beginning of a new, realist-dominated consensus that America's
foreign policy establishment hopes will restore some of the U.S.
prestige and influence that has been eviscerated by Bush's invasion
of Iraq.
It is too much, perhaps, to expect from the Bush administration, but
here's an idea. Instead of trying to court Hakim and SCIRI to support
a continued U.S. occupation of Iraq, the White House ought to
acknowledge and heed the growing body of opinion in Iraq that wants the
United States out, fast.

[http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/04/bushs_meeting_with_a_murderer.php+



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Mirelle wrote:
> I am so happy I found these websites.  They really tell the truth about
> Israel and "Palestine:
>
> http://www.palestinefacts.org/
>
> http://www.think-israel.org/
>
> http://www.honestreporting.com/
>
> Thank God some of my SMART Arab friends told me about these sites.  I never
> would have found my way without them!
>
> By the way, you can see some of my SMART Arab friends at THIS site:
> http://www.arabsforisrael.com/
>
> Shalom,
> Mirelle
You are kidding, arent ya? It is the usual ZioFascist crap!



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NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> I'm Jewish, American and Israeli

Are you sure you are not Russian, Hungarian, Romanian and Arab as well?



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Protester arrested, may face charges
Tuesday, December 05, 2006
BY TOM GANTERT

News Staff Reporter

Anti-Israel activist Blaine Coleman was arrested Monday night after he
walked into an ongoing Ann Arbor City Council meeting carrying a sign
that read "F--- Israel'' and stood in front of a group of visiting Boy
Scouts from Lawton Elementary School. Coleman was quickly approached by
Ann Arbor Police Lt. Mike Logghe, and was physically led out after he
resisted leaving the meeting. Coleman shouted that the Cohen vs.
California Supreme Court case allowed him to carry the sign...

It was the second time in the last five days that Coleman has been
arrested for disruptive behavior. He was among three people arrested
after police said they ignored warnings to stop disrupting a speaker at
the University of Michigan on Thursday evening.

Coleman, who is Jewish, has a history of disrupting council meetings
with his criticism of Israel and its treatment of

Palestinians. But his conduct has stepped up recently in the four years
he's been speaking before the City Council trying to get the city to
pass a resolution urging the United States to divest from Israel.

Logghe said Coleman was arrested and later released. Possible charges
will be reviewed by the city attorney, and could include accusations of
disorderly conduct and disturbing a public meeting, Logghe said.

"Clearly, he was instructed to leave and refused,'' Logghe said. "I
took hold of him and removed him from the council chambers.''

After Coleman was led away, several council members said it may be time
to consider banning him from future meetings for a specified period of
time. They said the council rules would give them that power.

Council Member Wendy Woods, D-5th Ward, said she would consider such
action.

"He's gone past the point of decency,'' Woods said. "They (the public)
don't need to see that junk.''

During a break in the meeting, Council Member Bob Johnson said he
wouldn't consider banning Coleman, but Mayor John Hieftje said that
option should be open.

"I don't know, Bob,'' Hieftje said. "If you have someone disrupt your
meeting every time, why not prevent him from coming?''

"That's a reasonable argument,'' Johnson said.

The council made no decision on Coleman on Monday.

Coleman referred to a 1968 case in which Paul Robert Cohen was arrested
for disturbing the peace by offensive conduct. He was wearing a jacket
that had "F--- the draft'' written on it while he was in the corridor
of a Los Angeles courthouse. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the
appellate court's ruling upholding the conviction.

But City Attorney Stephen Postema said while having a profane sign in
public may be allowed, it wouldn't be inside a courtroom or in a City
Council meeting where different standards apply.

When contacted after his release from police custody, Coleman wouldn't
comment other than to repeat his accusations against Israel.

"Israel is killing Palestine and Lebanon, and is trying to kill Iran,
too. That's why City Council has a duty to divest from that racist
state of Israel now. Look, Israel just dropped 1 million cluster bombs
on Lebanon last summer.''

Tom Gantert can be reached at tgantert@annarbornews.com or 734-994-6701

Kudos to Ann Arbor News for carrying this story. Let's support them by
writing to the email address above. They're going to need it. GIYUS is
probably locked and loaded for bear, and AIPAC goons will be on their
way to visit.



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israel to raze 42,000 Palestinian homes

    The Israeli interior minister, Roni Bar-On, declared that his
ministry has planned the demolition of more than 42,000 homes of
Palestinian Bedouins that were built even before 1948 when Israel was
proclaimed.

    The minister, speaking at a session for the Israeli parliament's
interior committee, claimed that all those houses were "illegal" and
warned that any new homes built in the so-called "unrecognized"
villages in the Negev desert would be razed.

    According to PIC, the regional council for those villages, not
recognized by Israel, said in a statement commenting on the minister's
statement said that what the minister threatened meant the destruction
of an entire community.

israel insists that it has a "right to exist" as a state, yet denies
Palestinians the right to exist as human beings.

    On the ground, the Israeli authorities on Wednesday demolished 17
houses in Tawil village, Negev desert, and assaulted an old woman and
four young men who tried to stop them.

Appalling. Barbaric. Apartheid. israel.



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 Death squad boss Hakim is simply replacing another death squad leader
Osama Bin Laden in the Bush collection of killers



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 THIS KIND OF  CRAP GIVES ME THE SHITS. I MUST RUN NOW!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: KIKE TO DEMOLISH 42,000 HOMES OF NATIVE BEDUNS
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BernardZ wrote:
> > Appalling. Barbaric.
>
> I don't think Alex that there is any "Muslim Renaissance" soon. Islam
> needs a rethink, its wars, terrorism, its nuclear insanity, its lack of
> industrial and agricultural infrastructure and religious war.
>
> It may even be held back permanently, by nuclear annihilation in
> retaliation for continued terrorist atrocities.
>
 You need to go back to school, and learn a simple fact that the only
war that muslims started was the Iraq_Iran war on behalf of United
States, paid by United States.

And the only terr4orism in the world today is carried out by US and
Israel



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From: "Venceremos" 
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captain. wrote:
> wrong

RIGHT! 52%  of assetts of this great country are now owned by China and
Arabia!

If Bush wants to start another war, he better ask China to lend him
some cash!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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The following letter was sent to me today by James Abourezk, former US
Senator from South Dakota, and he readily complied when I asked that I
be allowed to forward it to my list because what he had to say is of
the utmost importance, given last month's election and all the new
faces in Congress, and the immediate previous posting to you and James
Petras's article earlier in the day..


Dear Jeff:

I just finished reading your critique of Noam Chomsky's positions in an
e mail sent to me by Tony Saidy.

I had never paid much attention to Chomsky's writings, as I had all
along assumed that he was correct and proper in his position on the
Arab-Israeli conflict.

But now, upon learning that his first assumption is that Israel is
simply doing what the imperial leaders in the U.S. wants them to do, I
concur with you that this assumption is completely wrong.

I can tell you from personal experience that, at least in the Congress,
the support Israel has in that body is based completely on political
fear--fear of defeat by anyone who does not do what Israel wants done.
I can also tell you that very few members of Congress--at least when I
served there--have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they
have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly
how they feel. I've heard too many cloakroom conversations in which
members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how
they're pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one
hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one
of them is willing to risk the Lobby's animosity by making their
feelings public.

Thus, I see no desire on the part of Members of Congress to further any
U.S. imperial dreams by using Israel as their pit bull. The only
exceptions to that rule are the feelings of Jewish members, whom, I
believe, are sincere in their efforts to keep U.S. money flowing to
Israel. But that minority does not a U.S. imperial policy make.

Secondly, the Lobby is quite clear in its efforts to suppress any
congressional dissent from the policy of complete support for Israel
which might hurt annual appropriations. Even one voice is attacked, as
I was, on grounds that if Congress is completely silent on the issue,
the press will have no one to quote, which effectively silences the
press as well. Any journalists or editors who step out of line are
quickly brought under control by well organized economic pressure
against the newspaper caught sinning.

I once made a trip through the Middle East, taking with me a reporter
friend who wrote for Knight-Ridder newspapers. He was writing honestly
about what he saw with respect to the Palestinians and other countries
bordering on Israel. The St. Paul Pioneer press executives received
threats from several of their large advertisers that their advertising
would be terminated if they continued publishing the journalist's
articles. It's a lesson quickly learned by those who controlled the
paper.

With respect to the positions of several administrations on the
question of Israel, there are two things that bring them into line: One
is pressure from members of Congress who bring that pressure resulting
in the demands of AIPAC, and the other is the desire on the part of the
President and his advisers to keep their respective political parties
>from crumbling under that pressure. I do not recall a single instance
where any administration saw the need for Israel's military power to
advance U.S. Imperial interests. In fact, as we saw in the Gulf War,
Israel's involvement was detrimental to what Bush, Sr. wanted to
accomplish in that war. They had, as you might remember, to suppress
any Israeli assistance so that the coalition would not be destroyed by
their involvement.

So far as the argument that we need to use Israel as a base for U.S.
operations, I'm not aware of any U.S. bases there of any kind. The U.S.
has enough military bases, and fleets, in the area to be able to handle
any kind of military needs without using Israel. In fact I can't think
of an instance where the U.S. would want to involve Israel militarily
for fear of upsetting the current allies the U.S. has, i.e., Saudi
Arabia and the Emirates. The public in those countries would not allow
the monarchies to continue their alliance with the U.S. should Israel
become involved.

I suppose one could argue that Bush's encouragement of Israel in the
Lebanon war this summer was the result of some imperial urge, but it
was merely an extension of the U.S. policy of helping Israel because of
the Lobby's continual pressure. In fact, I heard not one voice of
opposition to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon this summer (except Chuck
Hagel). Lebanon always has been a "throw away" country so far as the
congress is concerned, that is, what happens there has no effect on
U.S. interests. There is no Lebanon Lobby. The same was true in 1982,
when the Congress fell completely silent over the invasion that year.

I think in the heart of hearts of both members of congress and of the
administrations they would prefer not to have Israel fouling things up
for U.S. foreign policy, which is to keep oil flowing to the Western
world to prevent an economic depression. But what our policy makers do
is to juggle the Lobby's pressure on them to support Israel with
keeping the oil countries from cutting off oil to the western nations.
So far they've been able to do that. With the exception of King Feisal
and his oil embargo, there hasn't been a Saudi leader able to stand up
to U.S. policy.

So I believe that divestment, and especially cutting off U.S. aid to
Israel would immediately result in Israel's giving up the West Bank and
leaving the Gaza to the Palestinians. Such pressure would work, I
think, because the Israeli public would be able to determine what is
causing their misery and would demand that an immediate peace agreement
be made with the Palestinians. It would work because of the democracy
there, unlike sanctions against a dictatorship where the public could
do little about changing their leaders' minds. One need only look at
the objectives of the Israeli Lobby to determine how to best change
their minds. The Lobby's principal objectives are to keep money flowing
>from the U.S. treasury to Israel, requiring a docile congress and a
compliant administration. As Willie Sutton once said, "That's where the
money is."

Jim Abourezk



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NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> It would be a constant arguement.
> If I sin she would say it's not a sin.
> If I didn't sin she would say it's a sin.
> I hope the best for Cindy and her family.
> Blessed are you Lord God of Israel

Wow! "God of Israel", does  West bank have a God, also?



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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On  7-Dec-2006, rjac@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson) wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > B'enyamin C'''ram'er  wrote:
> >
> >    (snip drivel)
> >
> >    "Bennie Cramer" admits he's a troll:
> >
> >    "I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
> > to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- "Bennie Cramer",
> > Message-ID:  .
>
> Note how obssessed he is with me - to the point where he can't even figure
> out what he's actually reading?
> 
> Susan
Oh, sure Bennie boy wants to fuck you! Stupid Irish arse!



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Thursday, December 07, 2006

BEIRUT: Tests carried out on samples taken from a bomb crater in the
southern region of Khiam following the summer war with Israel showed
the presence of uranium, Chris Busby, the British scientific secretary
of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, told Environment and
Development magazine for its December issue.

"The analysis was accurate and showed the presence of depleted
uranium," Busby said in a telephone interview with Environment Hotline,
an environmental research team affiliated with the magazine.

Busby said in late October that samples taken from a bomb crater in
Khiam had been sent for analysis to the Harwell laboratory in
Oxfordshire, southern England. He added, at the time, that "samples
thrown up by Israeli bombs showed elevated radiation signatures
resulting from a new experimental weapon used by Israel."

"There is no way the signs of uranium found in Khiam were the result of
natural or industrial materials ... Their only source is nuclear
reactors," Busby said.

The magazine says Busby's statements in October spurred the Lebanese
Atomic Energy Commission to take more samples from Khiam for analysis.

The United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), which has been studying
ecological damage in Lebanon after the war, had also sent another team
to gather samples from Khiam, a statement said.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb

"The results will be issued soon," it added.

A team of 20 UNEP activists spent two weeks with their Lebanese
counterparts at the beginning of October to evaluate the environmental
impact of the month-long war.

The team tested air, water and soil samples at 30 heavily bombed sites
in Southern Lebanon and the suburbs of southern Beirut.

The samples were sent to Switzerland for analysis.

However, a statement issued in early November ruled out the presence of
uranium.

While a UNEP statement in November reassured the Lebanese that they
were not in danger of exposure to radioactive materials, it called for
further research on "the effects of using depleted uranium for military
purposes."

The UN results mirrored those of the National Council for Scientific
Research, which also ruled out the presence of uranium in Lebanon.

In a statement issued on October 20, the council said 50 samples taken
>from several war-torn areas had tested negative for depleted uranium in
tests conducted at the Lebanese Atomic Energy Commission.

The council and UNEP have both vowed to follow-up on the issue and
conduct more tests, the magazine said. - The Daily Star



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Why Hezbollah's Al-Manar Television is broadcasting Sunday Mass
      Sophie McNeill - 06/12/2006 - 10:24 | Hits: 322

``````````

"The Christian people in Lebanon are different to what you are showing
on
TV! Stop your lies! "

A truck laden with yellow Hezbollah flags drives past the Christian
neighbourhood of Gemayzeh early Sunday morning in downtown Beirut.
There's a
picture of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on the windscreen, but
it's not
his name that the young men on board are chanting. "General, General!"
yell
these young Shiite boys.

Their chant is for the leader of Hezbollah's largest Christian ally,
the
former General Michel Aoun. And this van captures an important dynamic
that
many of the international and Lebanese press have omitted from their
coverage of the last few days -- that almost a quarter of the crowd at
the
huge anti-government protests have been Lebanese Christians.

The size and commitment of the Christian participation became clear
Sunday,
as thousands of Christians from Aoun's 'Free Patriotic Movement'
marched in
>from East Beirut to join their Shia allies in calling for the Prime
Minister
to resign.

"We are all Christians and we are against the government," 45-year-old
Joseph from East Beirut tells me as he walks past with his son, "We
want our
own Lebanese government with no Syrian influence, no American influence
and
not any influence from other Arab countries. "

Umm* but haven't we been told that Hezbollah are just Syrian agents?
Why
would nationalist anti-Syrian Christians want to be in a coalition with
them?

"No! I'm not worried about Hezbollah working for the Syrians," Joseph
exclaims. "Maybe Hezbollah likes Syria's words against Israel and in
that
they supports Syria*but in Lebanon they are Lebanese!"

For Joseph, the fact that his Shia allies have never been involved in
his
country's many civil wars is proof enough of the party's commitment to
Lebanese nationalism. "Hezbollah has never used its weapons inside
Lebanon
against the Lebanese," he explains, "Not like the other side; they all
killed each other and ran militias."

As the marchers walk on, they pass a TV crew they think is from
'Lebanese
Forces' Television, a network that belongs to a pro-government
Christian
party firmly aligned against Hezbollah and Syria.

"The Christian people in Lebanon are different to what you are showing
on
TV!" yells one young man at the camera crew as others join in with,
"Stop
your lies!"

"We are yelling at them because they do not tell the truth," explains
30-year-old Mona to me after party officials make the crowd march on.
"They
are saying that it is only Muslims who are here protesting. They say
all
Christians belong to the Lebanese Forces. But look, we are here
demonstrating and we are not Shiite!" she says exacerbated.

Twenty-eight-year-old Sharden believes the media have been ignoring
them on
purpose. "We know all the media in the world, especially the Americans,
are
trying to make the picture that it is just the Shiites. They don't want
it
to look like the Lebanese are united against the government," he tells
me.

It's hard to tell exactly how many of Lebanon's Christians belong to
parties
aligned with either Hezbollah or the government. Both will tell you
that
their numbers make up 70% of all Christians in Lebanon *and it's a
continuously argued figure that no one is this country seems to know
the
answer too.

"They're not the majority of Christians," scorns 26-year-old Hammad as
he
watches the crowds march past. "They might have used to be with Aoun,
but
not now he's with Hezbollah." A pro-government supporter, Hammad
describes
the coalition between Michel Aoun's Free Patriotic Movement and
Hezbollah as
just 'a marriage of convenience.'

"Aoun just wants to be the President and Hezbollah has promised him
this, so
now he will do anything to reach that," he accuses. "He would work with
the
devil just to be president!" interrupts Hammad's friend Ziad.

To these government supporters, 'the devil' is Syria. And it's a
strange
twist of Lebanese politics that Michel Aoun spent many of his years in
exile
in France lobbying against the Syrians and calling for their withdrawal
from
Lebanon -- to now be in coalition with the Syrian backed Hezbollah;
leaving
many Lebanese to view this new coalition as disingenuous. "I believe
he's
turned pro-Syrian," charges Hammad. "I believe he's even working for
them
now, the Syrians."

Hezbollah's keenness to highlight their Christian allies was obvious at
Friday's huge opposition rally, with Aoun given the role of key speaker
rather than the crowd favourite Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah; and
many
pro-government supporters view these kind of tactical moves very
cynically.
"To make Aoun speak is to try and show people that the opposition is
united.
Hezbollah doesn't really care about Aoun. They just want him now -- to
use
him to say 'the Christians are with us'," alleges Hassan.

Whatever is behind this strange coalition between the hardline Shiite
group
and their Christian allies, it's certainly producing some unique
cultural
mixes. As the march reaches downtown Beirut's St Georges cathedral,
Hezbollah TV vans are out the front transmitting Sunday mass live. "No
we
don't usually have Sunday mass broadcast on Al-Manar," one of the
Fathers
tells me inside, "but it's still just normal mass, nothing political is
said
here."

As I push my way out of the packed church, I pass a funny looking kid
on the
steps. He has an orange T-shirt and wristband in the colour of Aoun's
Free
Patriotic Movement, but a yellow Hezbollah cap and a picture of Hassan
Nasrallah hanging around his neck.

"Oh yes, I'm a Christian, I went to mass," explains nineteen year old
Josef... and um, why do you have a picture of the man the West sees as
a
terrorist leader hanging off you? "Because I love him," says Josef
simply,
"He's a good man, and he's not bad like all the others."

Later that afternoon, representatives from all Hezbollah's allies are
given
the stage, but the crowd is told that the speeches won't start until
everyone puts down their party flags. After fifteen minutes of delay, a
respectable amount of Lebanese flags dominates and Hezbollah TV is
allowed
to begin their broadcast.

Once again, the universal demand is for Siniora's immediate
resignation, but
listening to the speeches from these opposition speakers, there is
certainly
unifying themes here that bring this seemingly mismatched coalition
together.

Hezbollah's Christian and Druz allies stand proudly with the party's
Shiite
army, and they join in Hezbollah's accusations that the government
failed to
adequately support them during the July war with Israel.

"During the Israeli invasion, the government stood on the sides if not
against the resistance!' cried the Druz opposition party leader Talal
Erslan. "Maybe the execution of the resistance to Israel was executed
by the
Shiites, but I Talal Erslan, I am one of you!"

It had been a long day and it was growing cold, but the crowd responded
enthusiastically to his calls. "We are ready to give our blood to this
resistance, " he declared to a cheering crowd. " And we're proud not to
be
called the allies of Israel*this government just follows the American
and
Zionist rule!"

The speeches end and the crowds slowly disperse, while those who are
sleeping here dig in for another night. "Hezbollah are the best thing
that
happened to Lebanon," 24-year-old Maurice, a Christian, tells me. "They
are
real Lebanese. Israel is our enemy too and we are with Hezbollah
against
Israel."



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BernardZ wrote:
> In article <1165551397.882217.299570@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >
> > NefeshBarYochai wrote:
> > > It would be a constant arguement.
> > > If I sin she would say it's not a sin.
> > > If I didn't sin she would say it's a sin.
> > > I hope the best for Cindy and her family.
> > > Blessed are you Lord God of Israel
> >
> > Wow! "God of Israel", does  West bank have a God, also?
> >
> >
>
> If you knew your Koran Alex, you would know the answer to that question.

I know my Holy Quran very well and it does not mention at all any
exclusivity where Allah is concerned!. And it definitely does not
mention that he is Allah of the Jews, alone



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From: "Venceremos" 
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B'inyamin C'r'am'er wrote:
> Follow the link for the images.
>
>
> The Encyclopedia Judaica Confirms the Jewish Origin of Communism
>
> http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr61i.htm
>
> The Encyclopedia Judaica, published in Jerusalem, Israel, by Jews, is
> available at most large public libraries and is in English. This reference
> book for all things Jewish is quite open about the Jewish role in Communism,
> particularly early Communism, and contains a large number of admissions in
> this regard.
>
> Above: The front cover of Volume 5 of the 1971 edition of the Encyclopedia
> Judaica, published in Jerusalem, Israel, from where all of the extracts
> below have been taken.
> Under the entry for "Communism": in Volume 5, page 792, the following
> appears:
> "The Communist Movement and ideology played an important part In Jewish
> life, particularly in the  1920s, 1930s and during and after World War II."
> (below)
>
> On page 793, the same Encyclopedia Judaica then goes on to say that
> "Communist trends became widespread in virtually all Jewish communities. In
> some countries, Jews became the leading element in the legal and illegal
> Communist Parties.."
>
> The Encyclopedia Judaica on page 793 then goes on to reveal that the
> Communist International actually instructed Jews to change their names so as
> "not confirm right-wing propaganda that presented Communism as an alien,
> Jewish conspiracy." (above).
> JEWISH ROLE IN THE RUSSIAN COMMUNIST REVOLUTION
> The Encyclopedia Judaica then goes on to describe the overwhelming role Jews
> played in creating the Soviet Union. On page 792 it says : "Individual Jews
> played an important role in the early stages of Bolshevism and the Soviet
> Regime" (below).
>
> On page 794 of the Encyclopedia Judaica, this Jewish reference book then
> goes to list the Jews prominent in the upper command of the Russian
> Communist party: these included Maxim Litvinov, (Later foreign minister of
> Soviet Russia); Grigori Zinoviev, Lwev Kamenev, Jacob Sverdlov, Lazar
> Kaganovich, and Karl Radek, amongst many others. (Below: page 794 of the
> Encyclopedia Judaica).
>
> The organizer of the Revolution was Trotsky, who prepared a special
> committee to plan and prepare the coup which brought the Communists to
> power. according tot he  Encyclopedia Judaica, this  committee, called the
> Military Revolutionary Committee,, had five members - three of whom were
> Jews. (below)
>
> The Politburo - the supreme governing body of Russia immediately after the
> Communist Revolution - had four Jews amongst its seven members, according to
> page 797 of the Jewish Encyclopedia Judaica (below).
>
> While many have alleged that Lenin was also Jewish, or at least of part
> Jewish origin, there is little concrete evidence of this. However, Lenin was
> ardently pro-Jewish, branding anti-Semitism (correctly) as "counter
> revolutionary" (Encyclopedia Judaica, page 798). A statement against
> anti-Semitism was made by Lenin in March 1919 and was "one of the rare
> occasions when his voice was put on a phonograph record to be used in a mass
> campaign against the counterrevolutionary incitement against the Jews,"
> according to the Encyclopedia Judaica, page 798.  One of the first laws
> passed by the new Soviet Communist government was to outlaw anti-Semitism
> (Encyclopedia Judaica, page 798, extract above).

The people of Russia and Ukraine, Tatars, Uzbeks and Azeris know full
well who slaughtered millions of them, and who ran the Gulags, kangaroo
"courts", toprture
chambers and who stole the food from their table.

In my case, I know who slaughtered my father's family of at least 40,
including the babes in arms in Posad Pokrovskoe, and I can assure you
that it was neither Germans or Finlanders, nor Russians or Ukrainians.
The killers were Jews!



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news13102005@hotmail.com wrote:
> Coptic Priest Zakariya Boutrus Demands to Strike Out Verses from the
> Koran and Demands an Official Apology from Muslim Governments to
> Christians
>
> The following are excerpts from an interview with Coptic priest
> Zakariya Boutrus which aired on June 27, 2005 on Al-Hayat TV.
>
> Boutrus: I live in a country (the US) that respects freedom of speech.
> I exercise my freedom of speech and talk, and no one can deny my free
> will. Gone are the days of the sharp sword that cut off the tongues of
> our people and forefathers to prevent them from speaking in the Coptic
> language. Gone are the days people's heads would be chopped off if they
> did not convert to Islam.
>
> Interviewer: What should the Muslims do to make you stop saying these
> things?
>
> Boutrus: My demands involve ten important issues. Let's call it ten
> demands. The first demand... They are not for my sake, but for the sake
> of truth, belief, and Jesus.
>
>
> First, striking out all the Koranic verses that deny the divinity of
> Jesus and the revelation of God in him.
>
> Second, acknowledging that Jesus is the spirit and word of God, as they
> truly believe, without hiding this fact.
>
> Third, striking out the Koranic verses and Hadiths that incite to kill
> Christians, like in the Al-Tawba chapter, v.29: "Fight those who do not
> believe in Allah, nor in Judgment Day, nor do they prohibit what Allah
> and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they follow the religion of
> truth" - that is, Islam. Among whom? "Among the People of the Book."
>
> Interviewer: Who are...
>
> Boutrus: The Christians and Jews. "Until they pay the Jizya poll tax in
> submission." This is murder.
>
> Number four, striking out the Koranic verses and Hadiths that incite to
> terrorism and oppression in all their forms.
>
> Interviewer: What do you mean by terrorism and oppression?
>
> Boutrus: Terrorism - "Urge the believers to fight," and the Hadith:
> "I was commanded to fight people until they say: 'There is no God but
> Allah'." All this is terrorism and murder.
>
> Number six: Stopping the attack on Jesus and the Holy Book in mosques
> and in all the media.
>
> Number seven: Giving people and Muslims the freedom of... You may ask
> what do I care about the Muslims? No! They must have the freedom to
> choose their religion and the freedom to express their belief.
>
> Number eight: To abolish the punishment for apostasy, to stop torturing
> people who convert to Christianity, and to stop imprisoning or even
> killing them.
>
> Number nine: Formal apologies must be made by leaders throughout the
> Arab world for the murder of Christians in countries invaded by Islam.
>
> Number ten: Leaders throughout the Arab world should make formal
> apologies for the insults directed against our faith throughout Islamic
> history.
>
> The viewers may say, "Is this priest crazy, or what? These demands
> could only be made by an insane man... To strike out Koranic verses...
> Does this make any sense? What is he going on about?" OK, if you cannot
> change (the Koran), why are you asking us to change our beliefs? Why do
> you demand that we say what you say, or else - the sword?
>
> (Al-Halabi) says: "If the Prophet wanted an available woman..." - in
> other words, an unmarried woman, a widow, or a single woman - "...he
> was allowed to enter her..." I don't like to use the word
> i-n-t-e-r-c-o-u-r-s-e. "...without her guardian and without
> witnesses..." Without witnesses. "...and against her will." Against her
> will. "If he desired a married woman, her husband had to divorce her
> for him. And if he desired a servant-girl, her master had to give her
> to him. He can even marry off the woman to whoever he wants, against
> her will."
>
> Interviewer: We know that the Prophet is allowed what others are not.
>
> Boutrus: Why? Is he made of different stuff than the rest of mankind?
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Original article available at:
> http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=753

Thyere are many Christian faiths who deny divinity of Christ (pbuh),
and they have produced Bibles who deny divinity of Him. If you think
that God made a baby , go ahead be my guest, I think it is ridiculous!



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Beilinson doctors published data from nonexistent trials
By Ran Reznick

Senior gynecologists at Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva published an
article in a medical journal detailing studies on dozens of women,
although according to anonymous complaints, the experiments were not
carried out in the manner described. This is the third time in the past
two years that Beilinson's Obstetrics and Gynecology (OB-GYN)
department has published false information about its research.

The article was published in an English-language journal that came out
in honor of the 60th anniversary of the hospital, and which was meant
to showcase its scientific achievements. Now, about a decade after
publication, anonymous complaints about the studies and the way they
were presented in the article have been sent to the Health Ministry and
the hospital. The results of the internal investigation that ensued are
being reported here for the first time.

Five senior gynecologists appear as the authors of the article: Dr.
Shmuel Nitka; Dr. Gil Goldman; Professor Benjamin Fisch, the head of
the hospital's in-vitro fertilization unit and chairman of the Israeli
Society for Fertility Research; Professor Boris Kaplan, deputy director
of OB-GYN at Beilinson, coordinator of gynecology for the Clalit Health
Maintenance Organization (HMO) in the Dan-Petah Tikva region and also
head of the Israeli Menopause Society; and Professor Yardena Ovadia,
who served until her retirement in 1996 as director of the unit at
Beilinson. The five admitted when questioned that they did not carry
out the research as written, and that they had conducted retroactive
examinations of patients' files rather than prospective, high-level
scientific studies using a random selection of patients.

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The article received worldwide attention and was quoted in
approximately seven other medical studies. It describes supposedly
comparative studies carried out between 1992 and 1995 on 38 patients
who underwent surgery for the removal of benign tumors of the ovary by
two different methods -- laporoscopy and regular incision.

In the two other cases at Beilinson, Dr. Dov Dicker (and four other
senior gynecologists), wrote an unpublished article describing studies
that were not undertaken. Another article by five gynecologists and
published in a British medical journal, describes medical cases most of
which never existed.

No documents left

According to the investigation, the five writers said they no longer
had drafts of the article or copies of the data, although they are
required to keep these documents for 15 years.

A senior figure in the health system with great experience in human
studies, who examined the documents in the affair at the request of
Haaretz, said it appeared that the authors had published an article
describing a study that was "mendacious and false."

Ovadia told Haaretz a week ago "as far as I remember, the research was
planned, and implemented after receiving authorization from the
Helsinki committee, and there was random distribution of the patients."
However this statement contradicts remarks made by other physicians
during the investigation, as well as of Ovadia herself, that this was
not a study that required Helsinki Committee authorization.

A senior director at Beilinson told Haaretz yesterday that he believed
the case fell somewhere between negligence and lack of professionalism,
but that it was not a case of an attempt to mislead or cheat.

A senior physician in the health system said it was indicative of
serious and ongoing failings in Israeli medical research, in which a
large number of articles are published on the basis of misleading,
mendacious or fabricated information.

The article was published in the Israel Journal of Medical Sciences,
the journal of the Israel Medical Association, which ceased publication
in 1997. Another publication took its place in 1999, edited by
Professor Yehuda Shoenfeld, head of internal medicine at Sheba Medical
Center, Tel Hashomer, who also edited the special issue of the journal,
together with three senior physicians from Beilinson: Dr. Meir
Djaldetti, Professor Yaakov Pinchas and Professor Gabriel Dinari,
deputy director of Rabin Medical Center. Beilinson, which is a division
of the Rabin center, appointed Dinari, together with Dr. Amalia Dvir,
to head the committee investigating the complaint.

The Rabin Medical Center responded that the authors of the article
admitted that their use of the word "prospective" in the article's
introduction was misleading, and that the Dinari committee had
uncovered a number of other shortcomings in the article. The hospital
also noted that the report was transferred to the Health Ministry and
the Clalit HMO, and were not given to the medical journal in which the
article was published, since it closed down nine years ago.

The hospital also said it has complete faith in Professor Dinari, and
the fact that he was an editor of the journal should not disqualify him
>from investigating the matter. "As proof," the center said, "all the
shortcomings found were described in the report." The center added that
it had made do with summoning the authors to the directors authorized
to deal with the matter, and that understood the mistake that had been
made several years ago. The center said the anonymous complaints, which
have been received for years, were from a "negative element trying
consistently to do harm." It said the hospital would not stoop to the
level of this element because of innocent mistakes made a decade ago.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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BernardZ wrote:
> Its not all bad news Alex.
 
STICK TO THE SUBJECT MATTER YOU STUPID UNEDUCATED, MORON



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: WHAT JEWS DID TO GERMANS?
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The closest I ever came to throwing myself at the feet of a Jewish
person with an overwhelming sense of German guilt was with Sharon
Radowski.


My Maverick kind of mind made me realise, that I would not win the
popularity stakes at occupations that required working closely with
other people. So, I tried the cleaning circuit with Dial-an Angel. My
talent in this field is un-surpassed.


I met Sharon and her young daughter, was given the key to her apartment
and set out to clean it. Sharon would usually be away teaching in the
Catholic school system. We got on like the proverbial House-on-Fire. A
delightful person, this Sharon R.


We wrote lengthy notes to each other out of sheer joy of communicating.
After a while I realised that Sharon was not Catholic at all, but
Jewish! No worries to me, all fine with my mother's daughter.


One day I came to her flat and I saw, that Sharon was reading
Schindler's Ark. I hit my Rubicon. " Oh", I wailed inwardly, "
if Sharon had lived under Hitler she and her daughter would have been
marched off to Auschwitz." A terrible tussle began. Pride on the one
hand and abject remorse on the other. I asked Sharon, could I speak
with her. As destiny would have it she had time to talk to me on Yom
Kippur, the Day of Atonement.


Sharon was at home with her daughter, ready to go to the synagogue,
Shul, as they call it. No, I did not throw myself at her feet, neither
did I cry. These displays of emotion are a bit over the top for me, but
I came close. I told Sharon how sorry I was about the things the
"Germans had done to the Jews" I think all this was not only
nerve-wracking to me but to Sharon as well. She called her daughter in
and clung to her during my emotional outpouring. After a while she
realised it was not as bad as she had feared and her daughter went back
to her room. Sharon declared that I had never done anything to offend
her and surely I would not be held responsible for Auschwitz and the
like. I was too much on my one- way track of German guilt, German
shame, my regret at what had happened and making it clear that was not
like "Them", those evil, anti-Semitic Germans of the Hitler era, so
I only half-heard what Sharon said next. She had been married to a
Polish man and so Sharon had heard and she knew the Truth. I only
learned it years later, when I read John Sack's book: "An eye for
an eye", the horrible truth of what had happened to the Germans in
Poland and Silesia.


Sharon Radowski said: " And do you know what we Jews did to the
Germans?"


It is only 3-4 years ago that John Sack's book came into my hand. The
horror of the whole-sale extermination of Germans was something I will
never forget. The sheer hellish diversity of suffering inflicted on my
German fellow- countrymen left me gasping- no, whimpering like a
whipped dog. Oh, my people, my German people! Only the decaying mind of
devils could have thought up the punishments and pain dealt out to the
hapless Germans in their power, these poor people of Kattowitz and
other towns in Silesia. To this day I cannot bring myself to read the
book or parts thereof a second time. For night after night, after
reading this book I could not sleep. And those Jewish monsters all
tried to look like Hollywood matinee idols in the photographs. Just
look at them: Lola, Shlomo Morel, Pinek, Shlomo Singer, Barek,
Hollywood in Poland! The book: An eye for an eye, incidentally was
pulped again in Germany, before it reached the bookstalls. "They"
don't like to be un-masked as the monsters they are, while pointing
the finger at us Germans.


Yes, Sharon, I finally did learn "what you Jews did to us Germans"



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stick the subject matter you stupid uneducated schnoozle



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Jewish Mobster Meyer Lansky enslaved Cubans
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He owned all the gambling houses in Havana. He also owned hundreds of
bordellos. His mobster fanned across the Cuban countryside and abducted
young children for his bordellos. When Castro came into power he tore
out all the gambling aparatuses and dumped them into the ocean just
outside Havana harbour together with thou8sands of parking meters, and
to this day Havana is the only city which has no parking meters. Guess
what! Parking meters were also owned by Meyer Lansky and his mob!

Today La Tropicana is operated by the Cuban government as a night club,
the greatest night club in the world. It is wholesome, beautiful and
extremely spectacular.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: A Christian-Free Holy Land
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DoD wrote:
> The Christian population of the areas under the control of the Palestinian
> Authority (PA) has sharply declined i

NO THANKS TO THE FUCKING JEWS WHO ARE MAKING EVERYBODY'S LIFE
MISERABLE, INCLUDING THE LIFE OF OTHER JEWS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:57:13 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: MOSSAD AGENT TO LEAD U.S. DEM. CONGRESS
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KIKES CANNOT LOSE WITH RAHM EMANUEL BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL. MONEY IS
GOING TO RAIN ON ISRRAEL, U.S. TAXPAYER'S MONEY THAT IS!


The new democratic group (Democratic Caucus) in the U.S Congress House
of Representatives has elected Rahm Emanuel as a new chairman. Former
professional dancer, Mr Emanuel was Bill Clinton's presidential
campaign treasurer, then his political director in the White House.
He was one of the main protagonists of the Free Trade Area of the
Americas Agreement and would have played a role in Wye River
negotiations on the Middle East. He inspired Josh complex character in
the famous television series The West Wing. Today, he is Chicago
(Illinois) elected representative.

Of Israeli origin, he obtained the United-Stator nationality at the age
of 18. As a volunteer engaged during Desert Storm operation ( 1991 ),
Rahm Emanuel (then 32-years old) has served for Israel defence against
a possible Iraqi attack.
Accused afterwards of being a Tsahal officer and of being subjected to
a double allegiance, Mr Emanuel pointed out that he had not served in
the uniform. In fact, according to our information, he would be a
member of Amal, Tsahal's military intelligence service.

Rahm Emanuel is Benyamin Auerbach's son. On September 17, 1948, Mr.
Auerbach took part, under Yitzhak Shamir's authority, in the attack
that caused the death of both the Swedish count Folke Bernadotte (UNO
mediator in Palestine) and the French colonel Andr=E9 S=E9rot (a United
Nations military observer).
It is this double assassination which put an end to the binational
State project in Palestine and which transformed the Israel State
nature itself in comparison with what had been decided by the UN
Organisation.

Rahm Emanuel's younger brother, Ari Emanuel, is Michael Moore's
agent in Hollywood. He encouraged this latter to point out the supposed
responsibility of Saudi Arabia in September 11 attacks in his famous
film Fahrenheit 911, the showing of which was ensured by the Democratic
Party.


link



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KIKES CANNOT LOSE WITH RAHM EMANUEL BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL. MONEY IS
GOING TO RAIN ON ISRRAEL, U.S. TAXPAYER'S MONEY THAT IS!


The new democratic group (Democratic Caucus) in the U.S Congress House
of Representatives has elected Rahm Emanuel as a new chairman. Former
professional dancer, Mr Emanuel was Bill Clinton's presidential
campaign treasurer, then his political director in the White House.
He was one of the main protagonists of the Free Trade Area of the
Americas Agreement and would have played a role in Wye River
negotiations on the Middle East. He inspired Josh complex character in
the famous television series The West Wing. Today, he is Chicago
(Illinois) elected representative.

Of Israeli origin, he obtained the United-Stator nationality at the age
of 18. As a volunteer engaged during Desert Storm operation ( 1991 ),
Rahm Emanuel (then 32-years old) has served for Israel defence against
a possible Iraqi attack.
Accused afterwards of being a Tsahal officer and of being subjected to
a double allegiance, Mr Emanuel pointed out that he had not served in
the uniform. In fact, according to our information, he would be a
member of Amal, Tsahal's military intelligence service.

Rahm Emanuel is Benyamin Auerbach's son. On September 17, 1948, Mr.
Auerbach took part, under Yitzhak Shamir's authority, in the attack
that caused the death of both the Swedish count Folke Bernadotte (UNO
mediator in Palestine) and the French colonel Andr=E9 S=E9rot (a United
Nations military observer).
It is this double assassination which put an end to the binational
State project in Palestine and which transformed the Israel State
nature itself in comparison with what had been decided by the UN
Organisation.

Rahm Emanuel's younger brother, Ari Emanuel, is Michael Moore's
agent in Hollywood. He encouraged this latter to point out the supposed
responsibility of Saudi Arabia in September 11 attacks in his famous
film Fahrenheit 911, the showing of which was ensured by the Democratic
Party.


link



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 The Holocaust consists of three basic elements:

(1) Approximately six million Jews were deliberately killed.

(2) These killings were part of a state sponsored program on the part
of the Third Reich whose ultimate goal was the total eradication of the
Jewish people.

(3) The bulk of these murders took place in special death camps where
the principal mechanism of execution was the homicidal gas chamber that
utilized Zyclon B, a commercial pesticide whose active ingredient was
hydrogen cyanide.

That the Third Reich possessed the technological and administrative
means to carry out such a vast amount of killing there is little doubt.
The Soviet Union with significantly inferior assets in these areas was
able to kill far greater numbers of human beings. Furthermore, the
armies of the Third Reich succeeded in killing at least ten million of
its heavily armed military opponents in the course of World War II.
Hence the killing of six million unarmed civilians should not have
presented any unique problems to such an industrially advanced and
bureaucratically efficient state as Nazi Germany, on the contrary, it
would have been far easier.

My doubts about the Holocaust are not centered around whether it could
have happened but whether it did happen. In fact many of the doubts
that I have are a direct consequence of the fact that I have no doubt
that it actually could have happened...but certainly not in the ways
that have been described thus far in the ''official'' literature.

It is part of the Western tradition in legal, scientific and
intellectual matters that those asserting something have the burden of
proof and that those who disagree are not required to provide evidence.
This tradition however has been turned on its head regarding the
Holocaust since the ''historical truth'' of the Holocaust has been
posited in advance. Furthermore, even to express doubts can result in
criminal penalties in at least 11 so-called democratic countries and
the ruining of lives and careers in numerous others.

Listed below are some of the ''problems '' I have with the Holocaust.
Should these be cleared up, it would go a long way toward my accepting
it ? they are in no particular order.

1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust
if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they
got their hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews
survived even longer. Most of these ''survivors'' were ordinary people
who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have
exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to
be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even
today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components
of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every
Jew they got their hands on.

2) Why is there no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six volume
History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De
Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote
about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years
after the war ended and thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly
proven by the Nuremburg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the
silence of these " conoscenti " is deafening!

3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if
in fact it was a death camp?

4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire,
thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while
fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to ''death camps''
hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival? wouldn't
a bullet on the spot have appealed to legendary German sense of
efficiency?

5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a
single German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe
the likes of Raul Hilburg that in the place of written orders there was
an "incredible meeting of the minds" by the literally tens of thousands
of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to
carry out an undertaking of this magnitude?

6) How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed
when the official Jewish death toll at Auschwitz, the flagship of the
Holocaust gulag, has been reduced from a immediate post war figure of 3
[?] million, to a figure of somewhat less than one million? Why do many
respond to this observation by saying, " what's the difference whether
it's six million or one million''. The answer is that the difference is
five million. Another difference is that saying so can get you three
years in an Austrian jail...just ask David Irving!

7) All of Germany's wartime codes were compromised including the one
used to send daily reports from Auschwitz to Berlin. The transcripts of
these messages make no mention of mass executions or even remotely
suggest a genocidal program in progress. Furthermore it has been
insisted that the Germans used a kind of euphemistic code when
discussing their extermination program of the Jews e.g. final solution,
special treatment, resettlement etc. Why was it necessary for them to
use such coded euphemisms when talking to one another unless they
thought their codes had been cracked by the Allies?

8) The water table at Auschwitz lies a mere 18 inches below the surface
which makes claims of huge burning pits for the disposal of tens of
thousands of victims untenable.

9) Initially, claims were made that mass executions in homicidal gas
chambers had taken place in camps located within the boundaries of the
old Reich e.g. Dachau, Bergun-Belsen. ''Evidence'' to that effect was
every bit as compelling as what was offered for other camps, located in
occupied Poland, yet without explanation in the early sixties we were
told that this was not the case and that all the ''death camps'' were
located in the East i.e. Poland outside (some would say conveniently)
of the probing eyes of western scholars.

10) No one has been able to reconcile the eyewitness accounts that
personnel entered the gas chambers after twenty minutes without any
protective gear and the fact that Zyclon B was a "time release"
fumigant that would have had a lethal capability for at least another
twenty four hours. And that even after twenty four hours the corpses
would have themselves remained sufficiently contaminated by the
hydrogen cyanide gas that they would have had the capacity to kill
anyone who touched them who were not wearing protective gear.

11) Why do we no longer hear claims that the Germans manufactured soap,
lamp shades and riding britches from the bodies of dead Jews? could
it be that in the light of modern forensics and DNA knowledge these
claims are totally untenable?

12) Why do we no longer hear claims that huge numbers of Jews were
exterminated in massive steam chambers or electrocuted on special
grids? ''evidence'' of this was presented at Nuremburg? evidence
that sent men to the gallows.

14) Elie Wiesel has been described as " the Apostle of Remembrance" yet
in his memoir, ''Night'' which deals with his stay at Auschwitz he
makes no mention of the now infamous homicidal gas chambers. Isn't this
a bit like one of the Gospels making no mention of the Cross?

15) Virtually every survivor who was examined at Auschwitz says that he
or she was examined by the infamous Dr. Mengele.

16) According to survivor testimony, hundreds of thousands of Jews were
executed at Treblinka and then buried in mass graves in the surrounding
area. Why is it that extensive sonar probing of these burial grounds
reveals that this alleged final resting place for Holocaust victims has
remained undisturbed since at least the last ice age?

17) ''Proof'' of the Holocaust rest primarily on survivor testimony;
there little if any hard evidence. The best of this has been described
by Jean Claude Pressac as merely ''criminal traces''. Even Judge Grey
who presided at the Irving-Lipstadt Trial commented that he was
surprised the evidence pointing to the Holocaust was ''extremely
thin''. To paraphrase Arthur Butz, ''a crime of this magnitude would
have left a mountain of evidence''? where is it? There was more hard
evidence against OJ Simpson at his trial and he was FOUND INNOCENT!

18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven
counties ? what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or
the destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be
sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese
claim that they suffered thirty five million dead in World War II ?

19) Why do the court historians insist that "denying the Holocaust" is
like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of
the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold
advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone
comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never
existed?

20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the
remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't
Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor
of that conflict died in 1959.

21) Survivors of the Holocaust have testified that smoke billowed from
the crematoriums as they consumed the bodies of murdered victims?
some eyewitnesses even claimed they could detect national origins by
the color of the smoke. How can this be reconciled with the fact that
properly operating crematoriums do not produce smoke of any color?

22) According to the official version of the Holocaust hundreds of
thousands of Hungarian Jews were rounded up in mid 1944 and sent to
Auschwitz where most were gassed immediately upon arrival and their
bodies were disposed of by burning in huge open air pits using railroad
ties and gasoline. Why is that there is no evidence of these huge
funerary pyres in the high resolution surveillance photos taken by
Allied aircraft who were overflying the camp on a daily basis during
this time period. Furthermore, why have no remains been found, since
open pit burning, even when gasoline is used, generates insufficient
heat to totally consume a body?

23) All of the liberated camps were littered with corpses; is there a
single autopsy report or any other forensic evidence that shows that
even a single one of these deaths was a consequence of poison gas?

24) The death toll for the Holocaust relies exclusively on population
statistics provided by Jewish sources; has any independent demographic
study been produced that shows that approximately six million Jews were
"missing" at the end of the war?

25) Why do the wartime inspection reports of camps made by the
International Red Cross contain no references to mass executions? it
strains credulity that such monumental crimes could be hidden. The only
explanations are that either these crimes were not occurring or that
the Red Cross was complicit in a cover up.

26) Why has there been no effort to respond to the Leuchter Report?

27) " The Holocaust was technologically possible because it happened ".
Why is this intellectually bankrupt argument, which turns scholarship
on its head, considered by the promoters of the Holocaust as historical
truth, considered a sufficient response to the mounting Revisionist
evidence to the contrary?

28) What other historical truths rely to the extent that the Holocaust
does on so-called "eye witness" testimony? and why have none of these
witnesses ever been cross examined? ***

29) According to the official version of the Holocaust, the Jews
remained ignorant of their fate until the very end so skillful were
their Nazis murderers in deceiving their victims. How can this
ignorance be reconciled with the fact that the Jews have historically
been as a group, the most literate and highly informed people on the
planet with legendary access to the highest echelons of government.

giuseppefurioso@aol.com>

=====

*** They have been cross-examined and found wanting in the two Zundel
Holocaust Trials in 1985 and 1988.



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A Turkish film featuring a venal, bloodstained Jewish doctor has been
withdrawn from screening in the United States. In Valley of the Wolves:
Iraq, American actor Gary Busey portrays a Jewish doctor in the
American army who cuts out the organs of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib
prison and sells them to wealthy clients in New York, London and Tel
Aviv. The film, a blockbuster hit in its native country, had been
scheduled to open Friday at two theaters in Los Angeles and one in San
Francisco. Attempts to obtain further information from American or
Turkish sources were unsuccessful, but a protest filed by the
Anti-Defamation League may have played a role in the cancellation.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Observador wrote:
> The United States HAD BETTER, support financially, economically and
> militarily the only TRUE DEMOCRACY

Telling me !  Do you know any other "democracy" which has gulags
holding 15,000 innocent people without charge  for decades. Do you know
any other country where an American can get run over by a bulldozer
TWICE, for protesting atrocities? Do you know any other "democracy"
where an 11 year old schoolgirl get blasted with 19 bullets on the way
to school?

Of course you don't, only Israel is such a "democracy" and we could not
possibly do  without supporting their stealing of Palestinian land!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Aviroce wrote:
> I WROTE ABOUT THIS TO A FRIEND IN THE LATE NINETIES.  JEWS KILLING
> PEOPLE AND STEALING THEIR ORGANS.  HIS ANSWER WAS IT IS HIGHLY
> POSSIBLE.
>
> YOU USING THE INTERNET I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT SUCH FILTHY PEOPLE.  THE
> MORE I KNOW ABOUT THEM THE MORE DISGUSTED I GET.  PEOPLE WILL
> EVENTUALLY KNOW THEM WELL AND PAY THEM BACK.  JEWS SET THEMSELVES UP
> BECAUSE THEY ARE EXTREMES PUSHING FOR EXTREMES.  THEY WILL PAY.

Well my friend, when they remove your organs, you cannot possibly
protest about it!
>
>
> Venceremos wrote:
> > A Turkish film featuring a venal, bloodstained Jewish doctor has been
> > withdrawn from screening in the United States. In Valley of the Wolves:
> > Iraq, American actor Gary Busey portrays a Jewish doctor in the
> > American army who cuts out the organs of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib
> > prison and sells them to wealthy clients in New York, London and Tel
> > Aviv. The film, a blockbuster hit in its native country, had been
> > scheduled to open Friday at two theaters in Los Angeles and one in San
> > Francisco. Attempts to obtain further information from American or
> > Turkish sources were unsuccessful, but a protest filed by the
> > Anti-Defamation League may have played a role in the cancellation.



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 Israel's foreign minister has arrived in the United States amid
worries that the Jewish state's main ally could shift course after a
report urged Washington to redouble Mideast peacemeaking efforts.

Tzipi Livni will meet with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and
other officials during her visit, which will focus on the repercussions
of a report released Wednesday by the Iraq Study Group, her office
said.

"This trip will be an occasion to review with her counterparts the
report and to discuss its meaning," a foreign ministry spokesman said.

That report said progress towards Arab-Israeli peace was key to saving
Iraq.

It also called for direct US talks with two of Israel's most fearsome
foes, Syria and Iran, the latter of which is believed to be steaming
ahead in its bid for nuclear weapons.

A day after receiving the top-level commission's report, the United
States and Britain signalled the start of a renewed diplomatic push in
the region.

President George W. Bush promised "concerted efforts to advance the
cause of peace" and said British Prime Minister Tony Blair would soon
travel to the region for talks with Israel and the Palestinians.

The prime minister's visit was to set the stage for Rice, in early
2007, to make her eighth trip in two years to Israel and the
Palestinian territories, Rice's spokesman said.

The renewed focus on Mideast peacemaking and growing domestic pressure
on US leaders to end the imbroglio in Iraq has Israelis worrying about
a possible policy shift by Bush, who for six years has largely ignored
the intricacies of Mideast peacemaking.

"The fact that he has decided to support Blair's visit to the region
and to present this trip as a joint mission of Britain and the United
States shows that Bush intends to at least try to change his policy,"
Israel's Yediot Aharonot daily wrote Friday.

The newspaper went on to slam the Iraq report, accusing its chief
authors James Baker and Lee Hamilton of ignoring Israel while preparing
the report.

"If the truth be told, they barely paid any attention to us," the
newspaper lamented. "For 14 years, Israel enjoyed warm and pampering
attention, under Clinton and Bush. Now, in light of the catastrophe in
Iraq, Baker and Hamilton wish to restore us to our proper proportions."

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has also expressed disatisfaction
with the report's recommendations. Speaking to reporters on Thursday,
he said US problems in Iraq "are entirely independent of the
controversy between us and the Palestinians."

He also said that restarting peace talks with Syria, as recommended by
the report, was unlikely in the near future.

In statements sure to allay Israeli concerns, Bush has rebuffed some of
the report's recommendations and maintained his insistence that
Damascus and Tehran renounce support for extremists and pledge support
for Baghdad's fledgling government and that Iran freeze sensitive
nuclear work before any direct talks.

Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas and Arab League Secretary General
Amr Moussa, meanwhile, have both welcomed the Iraq Study Group's
recommendation that Bush revitalise Arab-Israeli peacemaking efforts.

On the ground, a Palestinian rocket struck southern Israel on Friday,
causing neither injuries nor damage. It is the 18th rocket to hit the
Jewish state since a fragile ceasefire between Israel and Palestinians
in the Gaza Strip took effect 13 days ago.

That truce agreement had rekindled international optimism about
restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, dormant since the outbreak
of the second Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, in September 2000.



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A Young Marine Speaks Out

By Philip Martin

12/08/06 "Lew Rockwell" --- I'm sick and tired of this patriotic,
nationalistic and fascist crap. I stood through a memorial service
today for a young Marine that was killed in Iraq back in April. During
this memorial a number of people spoke about the guy and about his
sacrifice for the country. How do you justify 'sacrificing' your life
for a war which is not only illegal, but is being prosecuted to the
extent where the only thing keeping us there is one man's power, and
his ego. A recent Marine Corps intelligence report that was leaked said
that the war in the al-Anbar province is unwinnable. It said that there
was nothing we could do to win the hearts and minds, or the military
operations in that area. So I wonder, why are we still there? Democracy
is not forced upon people at gunpoint. It's the result of forward
thinking individuals who take the initiative and risks to give their
fellow countrymen a better way of life.

When I joined I took an oath. In that oath I swore to protect the
Constitution of the United States. I didn't swear to build democracies
in countries on the other side of the world under the guise of
"national security." I didn't join the military to be part of an
Orwellian ("1984") war machine that is in an obligatory war against
whoever the state deems the enemy to be so that the populace can be
controlled and riled up in a pro-nationalistic frenzy to support any
new and oppressive law that will be the key to destroying the enemy.
Example given - the Patriot Act. So aptly named, and totally against
all that the constitution stands for. President Bush used the
reactionary nature of our society to bring our country together and to
infuse into the national psyche a need to give up their little-used
rights in the hope to make our nation a little safer. The same scare
tactics he used to win elections. He drones on and on about how America
and the world would be a less safe place if we weren't killing Iraqis,
and that we'd have to fight the terrorists at home if we weren't
abroad. In our modern day emotive society this strategy (or
strategery?) works, or had worked, up until last month's elections.

My point in this; to show that America was never nationalistic. If
anything they were Statalistic (giving their allegiance to the state of
their residence). This is shown in the fact that the founders created
states with fully capable and independent governments and not provinces
that were just a division of the federal government. These men believed
that America was a place where imperialistic values would be
non-existent. Where the people trying to make their lives better by
working hard, thinking, inventing and using the free market would tie
up so much of normal life that imperialistic colonization and the
fighting of wars thousands of miles away for interests that are not our
own would be avoided. They believed this expansion of power could be
left to the European nations, the England, France and Spain of their
time. However this recent, and current influx of nationalistic feeling
has created an environment where giving up your rights, going to a
foreign country to fight a people who did not ask for us to be there,
nor did their leader do anything to warrant us being there, and dying
would be considered honorable and heroic. I don't believe it anymore. I
don't believe it's right for any American to go along with it anymore.
Yes I know that we in the military are bound by the UCMJ and somehow
don't fall under the Constitution (the very thing we're suppose to be
defending) but sooner or later there is a decision that every American
soldier, marine, airmen and seamen makes to allow themselves to be sent
to a war that is against every fiber this country was founded on. I
know that when April rolls around I will be thinking long and hard on
that decision. Even though we in the military are just doing as we're
told we still have the moral and ethical obligation to choose to do as
we're told, or to say, "No, that isn't right." I believe that if more
troopers like me and the professional military, the officers and
commanders, start standing up and saying that they won't let themselves
or their troops go to this illegal war people will start standing up
and realizing what the heck is going on over there.

The sad fact of the matter is that we are not fighting terrorists in
Iraq. We are fighting the Iraqi people who feel like a conquered and
occupied people. Personally I have a hard time believing that if I was
an Iraqi that I wouldn't be doing everything in my power to kill and
maim as many Americans as possible. I know that the vast majority of
Americans would not be happy with the Canadian government, or any other
foreign government, liberating us from the clutches of George W. Bush,
even though a large number of us would like that, and forcing us to
accept their system of government. Would not millions of Americans rise
up and fight back? Would you not rise up to protect and defend your
house and your neighborhood if someone invaded your country? But we
send thousands of troops to a foreign country to do just that. How is
it moral to fight a people who are just trying to defend their homes
and families? I think next time I go to Iraq perhaps I should wear a
bright red coat and carry a Brown Bess instead of my digitalized
utilities and M16.

Notice I never once used the word homeland in any of this. I have a
secondary point I want to bring up now. Never once was the term
homeland ever used to describe the country of America until Mr. Bush
began the department of homeland security after the 9/11 attacks.
Taking a 20th century history class will teach us that the most notable
countries in the last century that referred to their country in this
way were Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Hitler used the term
fatherland to drum up support, nationalistic support, for his growing
war machine. He used the nationalism he created in the minds of the
Germans to justify the sacrifice of their livelihood to build the war
machine to get back their power from the oppressive restrictions the
English and French had put on them at Versailles. This is the same
feeling that has been virulently infecting the American psyche in the
last hundred years. This is the same feeling that consoles a mother
after her son is killed in an attempt to prosecute an aggressor's war
10,000 miles away. It's also known as Patriotism these days, but I say,
"No more." No more nationalistic inanity, no more passing it off as
patriotism. Patriotism is learning, and educating oneself to understand
what their country really stands for.

I heard a lot during the memorial service about how the dead Marine did
so much good for others and how his helping others was like a little
microcosm of America helping because we have the power to do so. Well
if we have the power to help people why aren't we helping in Darfur
where hundreds of thousands of people have died in the last 10 years.
Saddam was convicted and sentenced to death for killing 143 Shiites who
conspired to assassinate him. (I know all you "patriotic" Americans
would be calling for the heads of anyone who conspired to assassinate
supreme leader Bush). And yet we spend upwards of 1 trillion dollars
and nearing 3,000 lives to help these Iraqis when they don't even want
us there. Not to mention we don't have the legal justification to be
there. I guess we should wait around for the omnipotent W Bush to
decide who we should use our superpowerdom to help next. It's about
time to throw him and the rest of the fascists out. Moreover it's about
time to start educating Americans about their past and history, and
letting them know that imperialistic leaders are not what the founders
of this great country wanted.

Philip Martin has been a Marine for 2 years. He is in the infantry (a
"grunt"), and spent 7 months in the al-Anbar province of Iraq. He went
on more than 180 combat patrols in and outside of the city of Fallujah,
where he was hit with 2 IEDs (luckily never injured) and was involved
in a number of firefights. He is currently stationed in Twentynine
Palms, CA, and due to return to Iraq for a second deployment in April
2007. He is 21-years-old.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15847.htm



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
> VivaChavez wrote:
> > The United States of Israel....poor U.S. citizens...they don't even own
> > their own country anymore...it's owned and ruled by Israel.
> >
> You need to make up your mind about who you claim owns the USA
> Is it Israel, or is it China, or is it Japan, or is it the SAUDI arabs.
>
> Or is it a matter of who suits your fancy today?\

All of the abvove!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HERE THEY COME, TO TAKE CONTROL OF U.S. AGAIN!
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Israel's foreign minister has arrived in the United States amid
> > worries that the Jewish state's main ally could shift course after a
> > report urged Washington to redouble Mideast peacemeaking efforts.
>    Nazis are only capable of controlling brothels that look like
> preschools.
>
>
>  Michael
yOU KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT THE nAZIS THAN YOU KNOW ABOUT THE tEN sUGGESTI
ONS OF THE jEWISH bIBLE, I SEE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The History of the Words "Palestine" and "Palestinians"
Date: 9 Dec 2006 15:15:26 -0800
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DoD wrote:
> Is Jordan Palestine? Here are two Jordanian State Stamps.  On the left, one
> from 1949 with a picture of King Abdullah

You are really stupid! You know that Palestine and Jordan are one  and
that king himself is Palestinian! That does not change the fact that
Jews stole the land of Palestine



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 You don't need to sign a bloody thing, I can smell you coming!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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zr wrote:
> Too bad its canned i

not canned at all. just temporarily suspended to please the kikes. I
saw it in Spain, theaters are full



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zr wrote:
> Don't they all wish their status were as high as Israeli Arab status.
 
Shit yeah!  Doesn't everybody want to be a slave of the Jew?



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zr wrote:
> You wish.
> If they'd have used Jews they would have won.
     
JUST LIKE THE JEWS "WON " AGAINST 500 RAGTAG HEZBOLLAH FIGHTERS!



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Nearly all the prisoners entering Auschwitz were entered in

registers and issued a number. The entries listed the prisoners by

name, date of birth and number. It was the standard practice to keep

a registry of all prisoners who died in this camp by date of death,

name, number and cause of death. German files captured by the Soviets

contain the complete mortality lists for Auschwitz.

Based on these figures, from the opening of the camp in 1941 until very

late in 1944 (the camp finally closed in the first month of 1945) the
total

of all inmate dead was 111,010.

Of this figure, 93%, or 103,447, died of typhus alone. The remaining

7,563 died of natural causes, suicide or were executed for a number

of reasons such as murder of another inmate, theft of food and the

like.

Of the 111,010 dead, 54 %, or 60,421, were Jews and are

so listed in the heavily documented official death rolls.

The question of the destruction of Auschwitz records has

been raised over the years to support the claims that large numbers

of people died in the camp but were not recorded.

If the SS camp administration did destroy or remove official records
from

Auschwitz before the complex was overrun by the Soviets in early 1945,
they

did not and could not touch the records that had been sent to
theheadquarters of the camp system outside of Berlin, or any other
copies
sent to different agencies.

The records of the concentration camp system discovered

by the Soviets at the system headquarters outside of Berlin in 1945

are complete. From a chronological point of view, there are no gaps.

Many of the records found by the Soviets at Auschwitz are not

complete but the headquarters files contain copies of all the

Auschwitz records



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Tilly wrote:
> Aviroce wrote:
> > I WROTE ABOUT THIS TO A FRIEND IN THE LATE NINETIES.  JEWS KILLING
> > PEOPLE AND STEALING THEIR ORGANS.  HIS ANSWER WAS IT IS HIGHLY
> > POSSIBLE.
> >
> > YOU USING THE INTERNET I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT SUCH FILTHY PEOPLE.  THE
> > MORE I KNOW ABOUT THEM THE MORE DISGUSTED I GET.  PEOPLE WILL
> > EVENTUALLY KNOW THEM WELL AND PAY THEM BACK.  JEWS SET THEMSELVES UP
> > BECAUSE THEY ARE EXTREMES PUSHING FOR EXTREMES.  THEY WILL PAY.
>
>
>
> Except that the movie is fiction .
> The biggest harvesters of organs are the Turks and the Chinese.The Turks
 TYPICAL JEWISH DRIVEL. THEY ALWAYS FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO BLAME WHO HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR OWN CRIMES.

JUST LIKE HOLOFUCKS, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN PROVED TO BE A FALACY!

Nearly all the prisoners entering Auschwitz were entered in

registers and issued a number. The entries listed the prisoners by

name, date of birth and number. It was the standard practice to keep

a registry of all prisoners who died in this camp by date of death,

name, number and cause of death. German files captured by the Soviets

contain the complete mortality lists for Auschwitz.

Based on these figures, from the opening of the camp in 1941 until very

late in 1944 (the camp finally closed in the first month of 1945) the
total

of all inmate dead was 111,010.

Of this figure, 93%, or 103,447, died of typhus alone. The remaining

7,563 died of natural causes, suicide or were executed for a number

of reasons such as murder of another inmate, theft of food and the

like.

Of the 111,010 dead, 54 %, or 60,421, were Jews and are

so listed in the heavily documented official death rolls.

The question of the destruction of Auschwitz records has

been raised over the years to support the claims that large numbers

of people died in the camp but were not recorded.

If the SS camp administration did destroy or remove official records
from

Auschwitz before the complex was overrun by the Soviets in early 1945,
they

did not and could not touch the records that had been sent to
the headquarters of the camp system outside of Berlin, or any other
copies
sent to different agencies.

The records of the concentration camp system discovered

by the Soviets at the system headquarters outside of Berlin in 1945

are complete. From a chronological point of view, there are no gaps.

Many of the records found by the Soviets at Auschwitz are not

complete but the headquarters files contain copies of all the

Auschwitz records



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From: "Venceremos" 
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B'inyamin C'r'am'er wrote:
> This, from the moderated jew group.
>
> Cohen won't be pleased ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> Shlomo wrote:
> > Joel Shurkin wrote:
> >
> > > We now patiently await Lisa's entry into the conversation, of course,
> > > to remind us what blinking idiots we all are.
>
> It's necessary?
>
> > My answer to him (and to Lisa, when she enters this conversation) was
> > very simple- the Orthodox do not "own" our common religion.
>
> Yes, we do.  You, as a Jew who does not accept Torah authority, are
> still a Jew, but you are not an observant Jew.  You are in rebellion
> against God.

Interesting that those Jews like SS General Milch, who joined the Nazi
army, are not welcome in the Jew fold, even though General Milch earned
two Iron Crosses, one of them with oak leaves, presented to him by
Adolf Hitler in person

>
> > You're a
> > Jew, and any Jew who sheds ANY doubt on that FACT,
>
> Oh, yawn.  I'm tired of hearing this nuttiness.  A Jew is a Jew.  A
> non-Jew is not.  A non-Jew who clicks his heels three times is also
> not.  A non-Jew who has a group of people stand around him chanting,
> "You're a Jew!  You're a Jew!  You're a Jew!" is also not.  And a
> non-Jew who undergoes any other ceremony other than a conversion
> according to halakha (not possible in movements which deny Torah
> authority) is also not.
>
> It takes a specific action to change a non-Jew into a Jew.
> Conservative and Reform "conversions" do not meet the definition of
> that specific action.
>
> Shlomo, you can't just get together and declare "We're now another form
> of Judaism!" and have it be taken seriously.  Yes, we Orthodox Jews own
> Judaism, but it's more correct to say that all Jews, Orthodox or
> otherwise, are owned *by* Judaism.  You who choose to blow off its
> authority and the word of God are still Jews, but you're doing the
> wrong thing.  And you can claim a million times that your opinion is
> just as good as anyone else's, but it just isn't true.
>
> Your nephew is not Jewish.  Not because he's Conservative, but because
> he was born a non-Jew, and he has not done what needs to be done in
> order to become a Jew.  And if he marries a Jew, it's an intermarriage.
>  Period.
>
> > Now, with the Conservative Movement brushing off immorality (yeah, even
> > at Mincha earlier today, I heard the line that homosexuals can't help
> > it, but so what?  Neither can adulterors, polygamists, and pedophiles,
> > so what's the point?),
>
> How ironic that someone who rejects Torah authority still uses his
> Jewish culture to gay bash.
> 
> Lisa



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust conference 'unacceptable'
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Tilly wrote:
> From correspondents in Berlin
> December 08, 2006 11:53pm
> Article from: ReutersFont size: + -
> Send this article: Print Email
> THE German Government today summoned the Iranian charge d'affairs in Berlin
> to express its opposition to a planned conference on the Holocaust in Tehran
> next week.
>
> A foreign ministry spokesman, Jens Ploetner, said that Germany had made
> clear that as the country responsible for the Nazis' crimes it found any
> statements questioning Israel's right to exist or the fact of the Holocaust
> to be "shocking" and "unacceptable".
>
> "We condemn any attempt, in the past or in the future, to give a forum to
> those who relativise or question the Holocaust," he said.
>
> Germany "bears a unique responsibility toward the victims of the Nazis, in
> particular the victims of the Holocaust," he added.

GERMAN GOVERNMENT WILL EXIST A LITTLE LONGER THAN THE ZIONAZI ONE

Nearly all the prisoners entering Auschwitz were entered in

registers and issued a number. The entries listed the prisoners by

name, date of birth and number. It was the standard practice to keep

a registry of all prisoners who died in this camp by date of death,

name, number and cause of death. German files captured by the Soviets

contain the complete mortality lists for Auschwitz.

Based on these figures, from the opening of the camp in 1941 until very

late in 1944 (the camp finally closed in the first month of 1945) the
total

of all inmate dead was 111,010.

Of this figure, 93%, or 103,447, died of typhus alone. The remaining

7,563 died of natural causes, suicide or were executed for a number

of reasons such as murder of another inmate, theft of food and the

like.

Of the 111,010 dead, 54 %, or 60,421, were Jews and are

so listed in the heavily documented official death rolls.

The question of the destruction of Auschwitz records has

been raised over the years to support the claims that large numbers

of people died in the camp but were not recorded.

If the SS camp administration did destroy or remove official records
from

Auschwitz before the complex was overrun by the Soviets in early 1945,
they

did not and could not touch the records that had been sent to
theheadquarters of the camp system outside of Berlin, or any other
copies
sent to different agencies.

The records of the concentration camp system discovered

by the Soviets at the system headquarters outside of Berlin in 1945

are complete. From a chronological point of view, there are no gaps.

Many of the records found by the Soviets at Auschwitz are not

complete but the headquarters files contain copies of all the

Auschwitz records



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Dec 10, 12:45 pm, "jgarbuz"  wrote:
> RichAsianKid wrote:
> > Very very interesting......hmmmmm........is this accurate? "All of the
> > Christmas trees inside the terminal at Sea-Tac have been removed in
> > response to a complaint by a rabbi." ???
>
> >http://blog.vdare.com/
>
> > 10 December 2006
> > Rabbi evicts Christmas Trees from Seattle Airport
> > [Patrick Cleburne] @ 12:26 am
>
> > This year there has been a deluge of newspaper articles, letters to the
> > editor, and blog postings all asserting that there is no War against
> > Christmas. This seems to the party line. However, the word did not get
> > out to the Seattle/Tacoma area:
>
> >     All of the Christmas trees inside the terminal at Sea-Tac have been
> > removed in response to a complaint by a rabbi. there, I'd spit in the rabbi's face. I'm a jew, a zionist, and a child
> of holocaust surivor, but no one, rabbi or otherwise, has the right to
> tell Christians in a predominantly Christian country what to do.

I agree with you on all, but stick you "holocaust" crap up your arse. I
survived partizan war against Nazis, and suffered much more than any
fucking Jew.



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On Dec 10, 11:56 am, r...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson) wrote:
>    In a report submitted to Himmler in May 1943,  SS
> Sturmbannfuehrer Franke-Gricksch wrote that so far 500,000
> Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz.  The entire report
> can be found,  e.g.,  in "Hitler and the Final Solution",
> G. Fleming,  University of California Press 1984,  p. 142-143.
>
>    The camp continued to operate until January 1945,  and
> altogether about 1.3 million people were murdered in it.
>
>    A sample of documents about the murder machinery in
> Auschwitz,  as well as some photographs,  can be seen at
>
>    http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/index.shtml
>    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//auschwitz
>
>    A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
> chambers can be found in
>
>    http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
>
> RJ.
Crap! You Zionists were so keen to see the Russian documents. Now that
you see them, you want to diminish their significance!

Even if this letter was true, 500,000 is a lang way away from six
million!  And there were NO six million Jews in the Europe occupied by
Hitler. And in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed rreparations from
Germany, for the work they did building amunition to kill Russians,
Americans and Yugoslav partizans!



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Michael Ejercito wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > zr wrote:
> > > Don't they all wish their status were as high as Israeli Arab status.
> >
> > Shit yeah!  Doesn't everybody want to be a slave of the Jew?
>    Nazis seek five-year-old boys as slaves.
>
>
>  Michael
Stu7pid arsehole! You know nothing about anything and much less about
Nazis



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Tilly wrote:
> Don Ocean wrote:
> > Up your ass Ed! Your nothing but an aging inbred Jew Idiot!
>
>
>
> ROFL.......You are the oldest person in these news groups, you aging piece
> of Dakota slime.

Tilly you shrivelled ZioNazi cunt!



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> > Even if this letter was true, 500,000 is a lang way away from six
> > million!  And there were NO six million Jews in the Europe occupied by
> > Hitler. And in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed rreparations from
> > Germany, for the work they did building amunition to kill Russians,
> > Americans and Yugoslav partizans!
>    No one was claiming that six million Jews were killed in Auschtwitz.

Where were they killed? On the moon?
> 
> 
> 
>  Michael



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torresD wrote:
> http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=292831&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/
> A United Nations fact-finding
> mission to the Gaza Strip that
> was to be led by Desmond Tutu is
> in doubt because Israel has yet
> to give the Nobel laureate
> permission to enter the
> territory,
>
> officials said on Friday.
>
> Tutu was to begin leading a six-member
> team this weekend in the northern Gaza
> town of Beit Hanoun to investigate the
> killings of 19 civilians in an Israeli
> artillery barrage last month.
>
> But Israel has yet to grant the South
> African anti-apartheid campaigner and
> former Anglican archbishop of Cape
> Town the necessary travel clearance,
> said three different officials close
> to the talks between the global body
> and the Jewish state.
>
> The officials, speaking on condition
> of anonymity because discussions were
> continuing,
>
> said they had yet to receive any
> indication from Israel that the
> mission will take place at all.
>
> Israeli officials in Geneva said
> they were unable to comment immediately.
>
> Tutu's team was supposed to report
> its findings to the UN Human Rights
> Council by mid-December.
>
> The 47-nation council
> authorised the mission last month,
> asking Tutu to assess the situation
> of victims,
>
> address the needs of survivors and
> make recommendations on ways to
> protect Palestinian civilians
> against further Israeli attacks.
>
> The shelling,
> which Israel said was unintended,
> came after its troops wound up a
> weeklong incursion meant to curb
> Palestinian rocket attacks on
> Israel from the town.
>
> The Israeli army claimed
> Beit Hanoun was a rocket-launching stronghold.
>
> Tutu chaired South Africa's
> Truth and Reconciliation Commission
> after the end of white rule.
>
> Tutu, who was in Geneva,
> could not be reached for comment.
>
> Earlier on Friday,
> the Geneva-based council passed
> a seventh resolution criticising Israel,
> this time for failing to act on recommendations
> the body made in July, urging the Jewish state
> to end military operations in the Palestinian
> territories and allow a separate fact-finding
> mission to the region.
>
> The rights body, which has only
> condemned the Israeli government
> in its seven-month existence,
>
> noted with regret that Israel has
> failed to release a group of Palestinian
> Cabinet ministers it arrested earlier this year.
>
> "Violations of the fundamental
> rights of the Palestinians
> continue unabated,"
>
> said Pakistani diplomat Tehmina
> Janjua on behalf of the 57-nation
> Organisation of the Islamic Conference,
> which proposed the resolution.
>
> "The Palestinian ministers,
> officials and civilians
> have not been set free."
>
> Janjua demanded that UN human rights
> expert John Dugard be allowed to
> conduct an "urgent" fact-finding
> mission in the region, which the
> council ordered at an emergency
> session only one month after it
> was called into existence to
> replace the discredited Human
> Rights Commission.
>
> Criticism by the council brings
> no penalties beyond international
> attention.
>
> Countries, however,
> lobby hard to avoid having
> their rights records scrutinised.
>
> Dugard,
> a former anti-apartheid civil
> rights lawyer from South Africa,
> has frequently clashed with Israel,
> which notes that he has been mandated
> only with investigating violations
> by the Israeli side.
>
> The United States --
> which along with Israel is only
> an observer at the rights body --
> also has dismissed Dugard's reports
> as one-sided.
>
> Only Canada voted against Friday's resolution.
>
> Cameroon and Japan joined the
> 10 European members of the council
> in abstaining.
>
> The rest of Africa and Asia,
> along with all of Latin America,
> voted in favour.
>
> Israel's ambassador to the UN in
> Geneva criticised the council for
> ignoring a November 26 ceasefire
> agreement that ended five months
> of fierce fighting in Gaza.
>
> "Why does this resolution fail
> to make any mention of the
> ceasefire between Israelis
> and Palestinians,
>
> that persists despite the
> continuation of Qassam rockets
> fired on Israel?"
>
> Itzhak Levanon asked the council.
>
> UN Secretary General Kofi Annan
> urged the watchdog last month to
> deal with the Mideast conflict
> in an impartial manner,
>
> and said it was time to focus
> attention on "graver" crises
> such as Darfur.
>
> Despite his plea, the council
> has passed only a watered-down
> resolution on the western
> Sudanese region proposed by
> African countries,
>
> which urged all parties to
> the conflict to end human
> rights violations. - Sapa-AP
> Related articles

Jews never allowed anyone to investigated the Jenin massacre, either!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:57:27 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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markzoom@digiverse.net wrote:
> WTF is a  less than 2% zionist minority doing dictating "culture" to
> americans?

Yeah, but they are the chosen ones, winners of 7,000 Nobel Prizes,
don't you know?
>
>
> http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_120906WABxmastreesEL.11b0d0cc.html#
>
> Airport Christmas trees removed
>
> 10:54 AM PST on Sunday, December 10, 2006
>
> By KIM HOLCOMB / KING 5 News
>
> No menorah, no tree
>
> SEA-TAC Airport - All 15 Christmas trees inside the terminal at Sea-Tac
> have been removed in response to a complaint by a rabbi.
>
> A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public
> lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn't put up,
> and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees.
>
> Sea-Tac public affairs manager Terri-Ann Betancourt said the trees that
> adorn the Sea-Tac upper and lower levels may not properly represent all
> cultures.
>
> She said that since this is their busiest time of year and they don't
> have time to add a fair representation of all cultures, her department
> decided to take down all of the decorations, review their policies, and
> decide if they need to make a change for next year.
>
> "You know, our focus is on customer service, getting our passengers
> through the airport, and we thought if we could take the trees down and
> avoid litigation because we don't want to littigate with this
> individual, we want to reach some kind of solution," Betancourt said.
> "But that is going to take some thoughtful discussion and we would like
> to have time to have that thoughtful discussion."
>
> Until then, no Christmas decor at Sea-Tac.
>
> The same decorations have been put up for at least 10 years, she added.



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Amnesty - 'israel should be disarmed'

That's the best idea I've heard all year.

    The London-based human rights organisation Amnesty International
has asked the European Union (EU) to block arms sale to Israel and
Palestinians so as to stave off impending disaster in Israel and the
Palestinian territories.

    However, Israel has reacted negatively to the proposal.

I'm shocked.

    In an open letter to the EU on International Human Rights Day on
Sunday, Amnesty's secretary general Irene Khan said . . . "We see a
downward spiral of human rights abuses and entrenched impunity, sowing
the seeds of a disaster with catastrophic consequences for ordinary
people," she wrote.

    Khan told the EU that all weapons sales to both sides should be
suspended until it was certain they would not be used in ways that
break international law.

    "We urge you... to use your utmost influence on all sides to
immediately end the killings and attacks on civilians and to agree to
human rights measures which can help to build confidence and hope," she
wrote.

    Mark Regev, spokesman for Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
said Khan's call for an arms embargo on Israel would endanger the lives
of all its citizens.

    "It would leave every man woman and child in this country to face a
multitude of hostile challenges that there are here. It ignores the
real threats faced by the Jewish state and gives comfort to those who
say Israel should be wiped off the map," he said.

You mean, this threat?

    "Israel is a democracy where there is rule of law which puts the
issue of human rights at the centre of civic life," he added.

And he can PROVE IT.

    Khan, who is leading an Amnesty mission to the region, had said
that "Most civilian deaths have been the result of deliberate and
reckless shooting and artillery shelling or air strikes by Israeli
forces carried out in densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip".

    She also asked the EU to set up a human rights monitoring body in
Israel and the Palestinian territories, and prosecute those on both
sides who are responsible for war crimes or other crimes under
international law.

    Palestinian human rights activists welcomed the proposals.

    "We appreciate this - but monitoring alone is not enough. It must
be followed by accountability in an international court or a special
legal follow-up," said Jaber Wishah, deputy director of the Palestinian
Centre for Human Rights.

    "We want an international investigating committee and we have no
problem if it investigates the human rights violations of both the
Israeli and the Palestinian sides," he said, adding that he would also
like to see an international peacekeeping force deployed under UN
auspices to protect the Israelis and the Palestinians from each other.

Palestinians don't mind being disarmed and investigated, but israelis
object.

I wonder WHY?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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d
> Liar. The JNF PUCHASED the bulk of its lands from ARAB LANDOWNERS.

FUCK OFF YOU FAT ARSED JEW COW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT JEWS NEVER PAID A
CENT FOR THE LAND THEY STOLE. READ "ROAD TO BEERSHEBA" AND SEE THE
ATROCITIES OF THIS RACE OF BLOODY MONSTERS ZIONAZI GARBAGE, BY PAGE 30
YOU WILL HAVE TO VOMIT SEEING HOW THE JEWISH FASCIST YOUTH RAPED AND
SLAUGHTERED PEOPLE OF BEERSHEBA AND SURROUNDING VILLAGES IN ORDER TO
STEAL THEIR LAND



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Merkel says Germany may train Iraqi troops
Sun 10 Dec 2006 10:39 AM ET
BERLIN, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Germany may offer to train Iraqi soldiers at
bases outside Iraq, Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Sunday, following
calls on European governments to do more to help stabilise the country.

"I do not rule out that Germany could also take part in training Iraqi
soldiers outside Iraq," Merkel told a news conference after a meeting
with Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak.

Merkel said while there were no concrete plans for such training
activities as yet, officials from
That job has already been taken by Osama

Germany's defence ministry were in contact with their Iraqi
counterparts.

Earlier, Germany's Social Democrat (SPD) Foreign Minister Frank-Walter
Steinmeier rejected calls from Merkel's grouping of conservatives and
>from the U.S. ambassador in Berlin that Germany do more to support
Iraq.

"It (Germany's involvement) will remain at that which was decided by
the previous government," Steinmeier was quoted as saying in an
interview with Germany's Der Spiegel magazine.

Steinmeier said Germany had already participated in cutting Iraq's
debt, training police officers and helping with redevelopment projects.

The U.S. Ambassador to Germany, William Timken, had called on Germany
in an interview with Deutschlandradio Kultur to become more involved in
Iraq.

"We all know, not only the German but also the U.S. government as well
as Europe all have an interest in having a functioning democracy in
Iraq," Timken said. "There are many means of achieving this. It needs
effort on all sides."


http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=L10622484



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Michael Ejercito wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Michael Ejercito wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > zr wrote:
> > > > > Don't they all wish their status were as high as Israeli Arab status.
> > > >
> > > > Shit yeah!  Doesn't everybody want to be a slave of the Jew?
> > >    Nazis seek five-year-old boys as slaves.
> > >
> > >
> > >  Michael
> > Stu7pid arsehole! You know nothing about anything and much less about
> > Nazis
>    I know that they are people who can not find work, led by those who
> do not work.
> 
> 
>  Michael
You "know" nothing, zilch, fuck all!



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Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
> Tilly wrote:
> > Mirelle wrote:
> > > V i v a     P a l e s t i n e! wrote:
> > > > Another Jewish running casino online
> > >
> > > > Billionaire Israeli businessman Avi Shaked, whose great fortune came
> > > > from running internet gambling sites.
> > >
> > > >
> > http://www.rgtonline.com/Article.cfm?ArticleId=69338&CategoryName=Headline&SubCategoryName=
> > >
> > > A BILLIONAIRE !
> > > And 'ISRAEL' has it's BEGGAR HANDS OUT FOR AID !
> > > So many jewish billionaires !
> > > It is beyond comprehension
> > > Why they do not soley fund 'israel' !
> > > Since they are all zionists with dual citizenship !
> > > Stop all aid to 'israel'
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/jvfp/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=5866
> > >
> > > Mirelle
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Geez, why not get all the world's billionaires to fund Israel ,  lets make
> > Walmart and Microsoft Israeli companies  .
> > Geez....you are moron Mirelle.
>
>    Mirelle has a point.  If all these jew billionaires like the jew
> Soros would send some of their
>    billions to Israel, the poor overtaxed U.S. taxpayer wouldn't have
> to.  The jews who send money
>    to Israel  get a tax break as a "charity deduction".  This is IMO
> wrong. There are plenty
>   of needy people in the U.S. who need their charity, not those in a
> foreign nation.

Yeah, but that would be totally unfair to the chosen ones. You see they
see antisemitism in everything that goes on in the world, including
robbing the robber barons!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: START SNARLING, NOW!
Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:03:56 -0800
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What we should do is gather in DC when the new Congress meets and tell
them flat out that WE THE PEOPLE refuse to allow anything else to be
done until the liars who tricked us into war are impeached, removed
>from office, and tried for war crimes.

We The People sent the new Congress to DC with a clear mandate. REMIND
THEM OF THAT. Practice snarling now. Make a point of opposing any new
legislation, no matter what it is. Stop every Congressional action in
its tracks. Bring all congressional business to a dead halt until they
deal with the task YOU SENT THEM TO WASHINGTON TO DEAL WITH.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Send "markzoom@digiverse.net" "home" to "Iran"
Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:07:48 -0800
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Frank Arthur wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1165785467.923398.307430@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > WTF is a  less than 2% zionist minority doing dictating "culture" to
> > americans?
> >
> Only an Islamist would write the garbage above.

Muslims find Christmass very interesting, some even have a Christmass
tree in their home,



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Time to start snarling and send the Jews packing
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 What we should do is gather in DC when the new Congress meets and tell
them flat out that WE THE PEOPLE refuse to allow anything else to be
done until the liars who tricked us into war are impeached, removed
>from office, and tried for war crimes.

We The People sent the new Congress to DC with a clear mandate. REMIND
THEM OF THAT. Practice snarling now. Make a point of opposing any new
legislation, no matter what it is. Stop every Congressional action in
its tracks. Bring all congressional business to a dead halt until they
deal with the task YOU SENT THEM TO WASHINGTON TO DEAL WITH.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Jews and Casinos
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Sentinel wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Sentinel wrote:
> > > Sentinel wrote:
> > > > Mirelle wrote:
> > > > > "Most of the [Las Vegas] hotel builders were Jewish Americans.
> > > >
> > > > You can't use that as your excuse for losing money.
> > >
> > > Would you speak out against Los Cosa Nostra as
> > > strongly as you would Israel?
> >
> > Absolutamente, mis compadre stupido!
> > \
>
> Then do it shmuck.
>
> Usted perder=E1
Cosa Nostra did not put 19 bullets into the body of that 11 year old
schoolgirl in Gaza. Cosa Nostra did not run over the American Rachel
Corrie with a bulldozer twice. Zionist garbage is far worse than any
Cosa Nostra, arsehole!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: "Human DNA" is not entirely human!
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Announced with great fanfare in late November, 2006, scientists have
discovered that human DNA is far more variable than previously thought.
Contrary to previous beliefs, as much as 10 percent of human genes vary
wildly from one person to the next. The mainstream press is hailing the
discovery as some sort of breakthrough that will shed light on
so-called "incurable" diseases and give researchers the ability to
create more targeted medicines. (There's always a pro-Pharma slant in
the mainstream media isn't there?) In reality, this new DNA discovery
explains why most pharmaceuticals don't work for most people.

More importantly, this discovery humbles us, and shows us that even our
top scientists know less about human DNA than they once thought.
Researching DNA is a lot like researching astronomy: the more we learn,
the less we realize we know. It's as if every newly discovered fact
unveils the existence of ten new questions we never knew existed.

Where are all the missing blueprints?

Until today, it was widely believed that individual genes directly
controlled physical traits in the human body (and even mental and
behavioral traits, according to some), but now it turns out that a
surprisingly large number of individuals have wild variations in their
genetic code, such as multiple copies of the same gene or even entire
genes that are missing from their DNA. And yet they're not walking
around without a kidney, for example, or missing their left eyeball.

It's all quite shocking and rather difficult to explain from a Western
point of view where scientists believe that DNA is like a computer
program containing sequential instructions for building a physical
organism. Truth is, there aren't enough genes in the human genome to
even build a human being in the first place. A human has about 30,000
genes, yet an adult human has trillions of specialized cells governed
by millions of different chemical reactions. How do 30,000 genes
control all this?

Only a few years ago (2001), humans were believed to have 100,000 genes
while all simple life forms contained far fewer. But this assumption of
humans being some "advanced" life form turned out to be utterly false.
It turns out that the mustard weed contains the same number of genes as
humans, and even the common mouse has nearly as many. From certain
types of worms to common trees, there are many organisms on the planet
that have very nearly the same number of genes as human beings (and
some have more).

Even more surprising to most, human beings appear to actually be
human-bacteria hybrids. We are not all human, in other words. At least
200 genes in our genetic code were mysteriously borrowed from bacteria,
we now know. Nobody is sure how they got there (did early humans mate
with bacteria? Odd...), but we are sure that they exist.

Furthermore, if you look at the composition of cells in the typical
human body, and you start counting them all, you realize that most of
the cells in the typical human body are not human.

< SNIP >

The human genome reflects the patterns of nature

Most Western scientists currently believe the human genome is sort of
like a biological computer program; a series of instructions that tells
the cells how to construct a complete organism containing trillions of
new cells. Of course, there's no real explanation as to how a mere
30,000 genes could oversee the construction, maintenance and operation
of such a highly complex organism. As Francis Collins, director of the
National Human Genome Research Institute, said, "It's astounding that
we get by with so few protein-coding genes, but that seems to be
sufficient because here we all are." It's hard to argue with logic like
that.

Indeed, it does work. But not in the way Western scientists believe. My
own personal theory of the human genome takes special note of the
multiple copies of many genes that have now been observed across a wide
spectrum of the human population. Some people carry one, two, three or
even four copies of the same gene.

If you look around in nature, where else do you notice copies of the
same information? In harmonics, of course. A complex sound such as a
single note on a violin is not made up of a simple square wave tone,
it's made up of highly complex harmonics which give the violin its own
tone and timbre, a sort of auditory personality. On an oscilloscope,
these often appear as copies of the same underlying waveforms.

They're also called "overtones," and they're present throughout the
human experience. Simple saying the word, "we," for example, involves
shaping the mouth and tongue into an arrangement that creates complex,
high-frequency overtones. The "ee" sound is the highest multi-frequency
overtone sound created in human speech, but every vowel sound has its
own unique pattern of repeating information. From low to high, it's
"uuu" "ooo" "aaah" "eh" "eee."

Physically, a human being is more like musical expression than a set of
construction blueprints. The human body has near-perfect symmetry and
economies of expression through fractal geometry that are quite evident
in the structure of the circulatory system, for example, or the nervous
system. Just look at a drawing of veins and arteries and you'll notice
the fractal patterns of geometry -- the same patterns you'll see drawn
in the underside of a leaf, by the way.

The same is also true with human hair and skin cells. Every police
detective knows that the human fingerprint is made up of readily
identifiable patterns that are connected through a sort of biological
artistry. In any human fingerprint, you'll notice the loops, swishes
and curves that give strong clues to the underlying fractal geometry.
Fingerprints aren't built with cellular bricks, they're built with
repeating patterns that give us strong clues about the true structure
of our DNA.

(Fractal geometry is also the dominant form of physical structure in
nature, by the way. In fact, it was the study of plant leaves and
mollusk shells that led to the discovery of fractal geometry.)

Throughout the human body, from the lining of the cells of the stomach
to the structure of the eye, you find patterns that go way beyond mere
construction blueprints. The human body is a symphony, a grand musical
masterpiece played out in billions of variations across the planet.

And the DNA, in my view, is a holographic reflection of the whole
being. The repeating patterns of genes and the symmetry of the double
helix are all expressions of music. The human genome is a symphony, and
it is through this symphony that we play the music of life. Combined
with environmental factors and energetic factors (such as parental
love), the symphony of human DNA creates a physical being. But it
doesn't stop there. It also helps create the framework for an emotional
being, an energetic being and a spiritual being.

READ FULL ARTICLE HERE:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=93



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: December 10
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > > > Even if this letter was true, 500,000 is a lang way away from six
> > > > million!  And there were NO six million Jews in the Europe occupied by
> > > > Hitler. And in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed rreparations from
> > > > Germany, for the work they did building amunition to kill Russians,
> > > > Americans and Yugoslav partizans!
> > >    No one was claiming that six million Jews were killed in Auschtwitz.
> >
> > Where were they killed? On the moon?
>    There was more than one death camp; in fact, some death camps had
> very few survivors.
>
>
>  Michael
140 plus. Some members of my family spent four years in Sachsenhausen.
That still does not add up to even 600,000



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From: "Venceremos" 
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> > You "know" nothing, zilch, fuck all!
>    I know that Nazis are degenerate filth.
> 
> 
>  Michael
I know that Jews are shit, filth, and garbage



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <1165857486.675435.158340@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael Ejercito  wrote:
> >
> >Venceremos wrote:
> >> > > Even if this letter was true, 500,000 is a lang way away from six
> >> > > million!  And there were NO six million Jews in the Europe occupied by
> >> > > Hitler. And in 1946 3.25 million Jews claimed rreparations from
> >> > > Germany, for the work they did building amunition to kill Russians,
> >> > > Americans and Yugoslav partizans!
> >> >    No one was claiming that six million Jews were killed in Auschtwitz.
> >>
> >> Where were they killed? On the moon?
> >   There was more than one death camp; in fact, some death camps had
> >very few survivors.

Arsehole! there were more than 140 camps, I know because I lived
through the period. WHAT I AM ASKING YOU IS WHERE ARE THE SIX MILLION
DEAD KIKES?

There were no more than four million kikes in all the countries under
Nazi occupation, and 3.25 million of them claimed reparations in 1946.
Go figure!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: "Human DNA" is not entirely human!
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vkarlamov@yahoo.com wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Announced with great fanfare in late November, 2006, scientists have
> > discovered that human DNA is far more variable than previously thought.
> > Contrary to previous beliefs, as much as 10 percent of human genes vary
> > wildly from one person to the next. The mainstream press is hailing the
> > discovery as some sort of breakthrough that will shed light on
> > so-called "incurable" diseases and give researchers the ability to
> > create more targeted medicines. (There's always a pro-Pharma slant in
> > the mainstream media isn't there?) In reality, this new DNA discovery
> > explains why most pharmaceuticals don't work for most people.
> >
> > More importantly, this discovery humbles us, and shows us that even our
> > top scientists know less about human DNA than they once thought.
> > Researching DNA is a lot like researching astronomy: the more we learn,
> > the less we realize we know. It's as if every newly discovered fact
> > unveils the existence of ten new questions we never knew existed.
> >
> > Where are all the missing blueprints?
> >
> > Until today, it was widely believed that individual genes directly
> > controlled physical traits in the human body (and even mental and
> > behavioral traits, according to some), but now it turns out that a
> > surprisingly large number of individuals have wild variations in their
> > genetic code, such as multiple copies of the same gene or even entire
> > genes that are missing from their DNA. And yet they're not walking
> > around without a kidney, for example, or missing their left eyeball.
> >
> > It's all quite shocking and rather difficult to explain from a Western
> > point of view where scientists believe that DNA is like a computer
> > program containing sequential instructions for building a physical
> > organism. Truth is, there aren't enough genes in the human genome to
> > even build a human being in the first place. A human has about 30,000
> > genes, yet an adult human has trillions of specialized cells governed
> > by millions of different chemical reactions. How do 30,000 genes
> > control all this?
> >
> > Only a few years ago (2001), humans were believed to have 100,000 genes
> > while all simple life forms contained far fewer. But this assumption of
> > humans being some "advanced" life form turned out to be utterly false.
> > It turns out that the mustard weed contains the same number of genes as
> > humans, and even the common mouse has nearly as many. From certain
> > types of worms to common trees, there are many organisms on the planet
> > that have very nearly the same number of genes as human beings (and
> > some have more).
> >
> > Even more surprising to most, human beings appear to actually be
> > human-bacteria hybrids. We are not all human, in other words. At least
> > 200 genes in our genetic code were mysteriously borrowed from bacteria,
> > we now know. Nobody is sure how they got there (did early humans mate
> > with bacteria? Odd...), but we are sure that they exist.
> >
> > Furthermore, if you look at the composition of cells in the typical
> > human body, and you start counting them all, you realize that most of
> > the cells in the typical human body are not human.
> >
> > < SNIP >
> >
> > The human genome reflects the patterns of nature
> >
> > Most Western scientists currently believe the human genome is sort of
> > like a biological computer program; a series of instructions that tells
> > the cells how to construct a complete organism containing trillions of
> > new cells. Of course, there's no real explanation as to how a mere
> > 30,000 genes could oversee the construction, maintenance and operation
> > of such a highly complex organism. As Francis Collins, director of the
> > National Human Genome Research Institute, said, "It's astounding that
> > we get by with so few protein-coding genes, but that seems to be
> > sufficient because here we all are." It's hard to argue with logic like
> > that.
> >
> > Indeed, it does work. But not in the way Western scientists believe. My
> > own personal theory of the human genome takes special note of the
> > multiple copies of many genes that have now been observed across a wide
> > spectrum of the human population. Some people carry one, two, three or
> > even four copies of the same gene.
> >
> > If you look around in nature, where else do you notice copies of the
> > same information? In harmonics, of course. A complex sound such as a
> > single note on a violin is not made up of a simple square wave tone,
> > it's made up of highly complex harmonics which give the violin its own
> > tone and timbre, a sort of auditory personality. On an oscilloscope,
> > these often appear as copies of the same underlying waveforms.
> >
> > They're also called "overtones," and they're present throughout the
> > human experience. Simple saying the word, "we," for example, involves
> > shaping the mouth and tongue into an arrangement that creates complex,
> > high-frequency overtones. The "ee" sound is the highest multi-frequency
> > overtone sound created in human speech, but every vowel sound has its
> > own unique pattern of repeating information. From low to high, it's
> > "uuu" "ooo" "aaah" "eh" "eee."
> >
> > Physically, a human being is more like musical expression than a set of
> > construction blueprints. The human body has near-perfect symmetry and
> > economies of expression through fractal geometry that are quite evident
> > in the structure of the circulatory system, for example, or the nervous
> > system. Just look at a drawing of veins and arteries and you'll notice
> > the fractal patterns of geometry -- the same patterns you'll see drawn
> > in the underside of a leaf, by the way.
> >
> > The same is also true with human hair and skin cells. Every police
> > detective knows that the human fingerprint is made up of readily
> > identifiable patterns that are connected through a sort of biological
> > artistry. In any human fingerprint, you'll notice the loops, swishes
> > and curves that give strong clues to the underlying fractal geometry.
> > Fingerprints aren't built with cellular bricks, they're built with
> > repeating patterns that give us strong clues about the true structure
> > of our DNA.
> >
> > (Fractal geometry is also the dominant form of physical structure in
> > nature, by the way. In fact, it was the study of plant leaves and
> > mollusk shells that led to the discovery of fractal geometry.)
> >
>
> You should forget about fractal geometry, Alex: it was invented by a
> Jew: Mandelbrot. In fact, you should forget about most of genetics and
> science alltogether and concentrate on blaming Russians and Serbs for
> "killing Pushkin and other Afro-American Chechens", as you used to.

Pushkin was killed in a duel. Nobody to blame there.Pushkin was an
Abysinian, grandson of Ibrahim the artilery General of Peter the Great.
Just to set you straight



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From: "Venceremos" 
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dsharavi@gmail.com wrote:
> Forbes.com
> Holocaust Conference Begins in Iran
> By NASSER KARIMI 12.11.06, 4:30 PM ET
>
> Iran hosted Holocaust deniers from around the world Monday at a
> conference examining whether the Nazi genocide took place, a meeting
> Israel's prime minister condemned as a "sick phenomenon."
>
> The 67 participants from 30 countries included former Ku Klux Klan
> leader David Duke

disgusting whore! David Duke has no connection whatsoever with KKK..
You scum love to paint anyone you dislike as a Nazi or a Clansman.One
of these days David Duke will piss in your filthy trap



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: THE TICKING BOMB-TORTURE!
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Bush's Torture Ticking Time Bomb: Sins of Commission
By: By James Bovard on: 11.12.2006 [10:46] (138 reads)

Here is the full text of my piece on the Military Commissions Act & the
torture scandal from the December 18, 2006 issue of the American
Conservative.

It is good to the screws tightening on some of these Bush rascals. This
scandal could put an end to Bush II.
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Have Republicans become the party of torture, secret prisons, and
indefinite detention? In his speech last month on signing the Military
Commissions Act, President Bush declared that the bill "sends a clear
message... We will never back down from the threats to our freedom."
"Rough interrogation" (a.k.a. torture) in the name of freedom may
be Bush's clearest ideological legacy.

Bush endlessly reminds listeners that "the U.S. does not torture"
and that "torture is not an American value." But "What is
torture?" is the Bush version of the Pontius Pilate question. Bush
appears to be using the definition of torture crafted by Justice
Department official John Yoo: if detainees weren't maimed or killed,
they weren't tortured. And the Justice Department acts as if, even if
detainees are killed during interrogations, it is best to treat the
deaths as harmless errors.

The MCA was rushed through Congress in September to overturn a Supreme
Court decision that struck down Bush's military tribunals and
scorning of the Geneva Conventions. The new law -far more dangerous
than the more controversial Patriot Act- is perhaps the biggest
disgrace Congress has enacted since the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.
Stephen Gray, the author of Ghost Plane, notes, "The act grants fewer
rights to defendants than the Nazis got at Nuremberg."

The MCA awarded Bush the power to label anyone on earth an enemy
combatant and lock then up in perpetuity, nullifying the habeas corpus
provision of the Constitution and "turning back the clock 800
years," as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) said. While only foreigners can
be tried before military tribunals, Americans accused of being enemy
combatants can be detained indefinitely without charges and without
appeal. Even though the Pentagon has effectively admitted that many of
the people detained at Guantanamo were wrongfully seized and held, the
MCA presumes that the president of the United States is both omniscient
and always fair.

Instead of clear standards established by the legislature, the
president decrees what methods of brutalizing detainees are allowed,
regardless of the Geneva Convention or the U.S. Anti-Torture Act. As
Yale law professor Jack Balkin notes, "The President has created a
new regime in which he is a law unto himself on issues of prisoner
interrogations. He decides whether he has violated the laws, and he
decides whether to prosecute the people he in turn urges to break the
law." White House press spokesman Tony Snow agreed that the law made
Bush the "final arbiter on torture."

Though U.S. government interrogation methods have been intensely
controversial around the world, most congressmen looked the other way
and rubber-stamped Bush's legislative wish list. The Boston Globe
reported in September that "because of the Bush administration's
restrictive policy on sharing classified information with Congress,
very few of the people engaged in the debate will know what they're
talking about." Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Al.) epitomized the prevailing
righteous ignorance when he declared, "I don't know what the CIA
has been doing, nor should I know." The less they know, the easier it
is for Republican congressmen to deny U.S. government wrongdoing.

Since the end of the Middle Ages, civilized nations have frowned on
relying on brute force to determine facts in judicial proceedings. But
Monty Python appears to be the patron saint of the MCA. "Evidence"
gained via coercion is admissible as long as a military judge deigns
that the methods used did not rise to torture. Military commissions can
accept "evidence" produced by interrogations that violated
"cruel, unusual or inhumane treatment" standardsas long as such
abuses occurred before Dec. 30, 2005, when Congress passed the Detainee
Treatment Act. (Bush effectively vetoed this law with a signing
statement.) It was nice that Congress formally picked a date for the
rebirth of decency, but it doesn't have sticking power.

The Bush team is exploiting fears on national security to practically
guarantee the use of tortured confessions. The Justice Department has
asked a federal judge to prohibit defendant Majid Khan, a former
Catonsville, Md. resident who was nabbed in Pakistan, from revealing to
anyone -even his defense attorney -the interrogation methods he
endured. A Justice Department spokeswoman claimed that letting Khan
discuss his interrogation with his lawyer "is inadequate to protect
unique and potentially highly classified information that is vital to
our country's ability to fight terrorism." Thus, the feds can use
whatever Khan said against him while hiding the methods that made him
squeal.

The MCA creates procedural biases akin to a 1938 Moscow show trial.
Defense attorneys can "challenge the use of hearsay information
obtained through coercive interrogations in distant countries only if
they can prove it is unreliable," the Washington Post noted. But it
will be almost impossible to disprove an accusation when a defense
lawyer is not allowed to question or perhaps even know who made the
charge.

>From early 2002, some high-ranking Bush administration officials have
apparently feared that they could face prosecution for their
interrogation policies. But the MCA retroactively decriminalized
tortureat least such actions committed before the end of 2005. The act
will make it almost impossible for victims of torture (or their
survivors) to bring cases against perpetrators. The closest precedent
for this blanket pardon comes not from American justice but from the
amnesty laws Latin American regimes enacted to immunize military
officials who carried out bloody crackdowns against leftists in the
1970s and 1980s.

Like an old-time southern segregationist campaign, the Republican Party
has proceeded to portray any congressmen who failed to vote for the MCA
as a "terrorist lover." House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill)
claimed that Democrats had "voted in favor of new rights for
terrorists," and House Majority Leader John Boehner declared that
Democrats "voted against bringing the most dangerous terrorists to
justice." The National Republican Senatorial Committee denounced
incumbent Democrats who voted against suspending habeas corpus for
having "sided with trial lawyers and terrorists." After Bush signed
the bill, a Republican National Committee press release was headlined,
"Democrats would let terrorists free."

Throughout the fall campaign, the GOP used the MCA to flaunt its
"tough on terrorism" message. At a "Texas Victory Rally" on
Oct. 30, Bush declared, "When it came time to vote on whether or not
to allow the CIA to continue its program to detain and question
captured terrorists, more than 80 percent of House Democrats voted
against it." Bush coached the audience to respond to his questions as
if the event were a giant DARE rally. The president asked, "When it
comes to questioning terrorists, what's the Democrat's answer?"
The audience roared, "Just say no!"

Aside from Bush and other Republicans' dishonest taunts of Democrats,
torture was a non-issue in congressional campaigns. The New York Times
noted, "In a season of shameless attack ads, torture is still too
shameful to be debated." Few, if any, Democratic candidates had
enough confidence in themselves or the voters to highlight the Bush
administration's worst abuse of power.

That doesn't mean, however, that they won't use the investigative
powers their new majority affords. For though Bush rhetorically takes
the high ground on the torture issue, it now appears that the president
may personally have blood on his hands. On Nov. 14, the ACLU released a
CIA letter confirming the existence of "a directive signed by
President Bush granting the CIA the authority to set up detention
facilities outside the United States and outlining interrogation
methods that may be used against detainees." This confirms a May 2004
e-mail from the FBI's "On Scene Commander" in Baghdad stating
that U.S. military officials in Iraq assured him that a secret
presidential Executive Order permitted using extreme interrogation
techniques considered illegal by the FBI including "sensory
deprivation through the use of hoods," stress positions, and military
dogs.

The Justice Department has so far blocked release of the actual
document, but a federal judge may force the feds to cough it up. Sen.
Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), the incoming chairman of the Senate Judiciary
Committee, is also demanding to see the document. If this Bush letter
does hit the streets, it may be akin to a 1972 memo from Richard Nixon
specifying the exact methods of lock-picking the Watergate burglars
should use. Bush's involvement in the torture scandal may be far
deeper than Nixon's involvement in Watergate.

The Bush secret ruling on interrogation methods may explain the Justice
Department's passivity on torture cases. The CIA Inspector General
recommended that the Justice Department prosecute a CIA agent involved
in the demise of an Iraqi detainee at Abu Ghraib. As the New Yorker
reported, Manadel al-Jamadi died during an interrogation during which
his head was covered in a plastic bag and he was "shackled in a
crucifixion-like pose that inhibited his ability to breathe." This
was one of at least eight cases the CIA referred for prosecution,
including cases of homicides during CIA interrogations in Afghanistan
and Iraq. But the Justice Department refuses to prosecute any of the
alleged torturers. The feds cannot prosecute CIA agents without risking
public disclosure of the presidential order authorizing the torture of
detainees.

As long as the Justice Department doesn't prosecute federal
torturers, Bush can continue denying U.S. torture. People killed during
interrogations thus remain the exceptions that prove the rule that the
U.S. never tortures. The military classified the deaths of at least 34
detainees as suspected or confirmed homicides; the CIA has released no
tally of its morgue entries.

The New Yorker noted, "under the Bush Administration's secret
interrogation guidelines, the killing of Jamadi might not have broken
any laws." Unfortunately, there is no reason to assume that Bush has
not given interrogators a license to kill. Steven Bradbury, head of the
Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, told a closed session
of the Senate Intelligence Committee early this year that Bush could
order killings of suspected terrorists within the United States. When
Newsweek contacted the Justice Department to verify this novel legal
doctrine, spokeswoman Tasia Scolinos stressed that Bradbury's
comments occurred during an "off-the-record briefing." Any
Bush-ordered killings within the United States would also presumably be
off-the-record.

President Bush has been able to seize nearly boundless power because
his administration has been able to control what Americans know. But
this control is crumbling. Democratic congressional investigations,
court cases, and the military tribunals themselves could unearth far
more damaging documents and photographs than anything seen thus far.

The MCA is "enabling act" legislation that preserves the appearance
of law while empowering the commander in chief to do as he pleases.
Bush's torture policies may signal that he accepts the dicta of
Richard Nixon: "When the president does it, that means that it is not
illegal." But the firewall of high approval ratings that buttressed
Bush when the first Abu Ghraib photos leaked is gone. The media is
exasperated with the administration's penchant for secrecy. Much of
Bush's conservative intellectual bodyguard has given up the fight. It
remains to be seen how much dunking, thumping, and cold water the Bush
team can survive.

James Bovard is the author of Attention Deficit Democracy and eight
other books.

http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/08/american-conservative-bushs-torturedictatorship-scandal/



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> Not quite. THIS time, we've got nukes.
> 
> Deborah

YOU HAVE SHIT!



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Former U.S. Senator: Support for Israel in Congress is Based on Fear
by James Abourezk
December 11, 2006

I can tell you from personal experience that the support Israel has in
the
Congress is based completely on political fear -- fear of defeat by
anyone who
does not do what Israel wants done. I can also tell you that very few
members
of Congress -- at least when I served there -- have any affection for
Israel or
for its Lobby. What they have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear
of being
found out exactly how they feel. I've heard too many cloakroom
conversations in
which members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how
they're
pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one hears the
dislike
of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one of them is willing
to risk
the Lobby's animosity by making their feelings public.

Thus, I see no desire on the part of Members of Congress to further any
U.S.
imperial dreams by using Israel as their pit bull. The only exceptions
to that
rule are the feelings of Jewish members, whom, I believe, are sincere
in their
efforts to keep U.S. money flowing to Israel. But that minority does
not a U.S.
imperial policy make.

Secondly, the Lobby is quite clear in its efforts to suppress any
congressional
dissent from the policy of complete support for Israel which might hurt
annual
appropriations. Even one voice is attacked, as I was, on grounds that
if
Congress is completely silent on the issue, the press will have no one
to
quote, which effectively silences the press as well. Any journalists or
editors
who step out of line are quickly brought under control by well
organized
economic pressure against the newspaper caught sinning.

I once made a trip through the Middle East, taking with me a reporter
friend
who wrote for Knight-Ridder newspapers. He was writing honestly about
what he
saw with respect to the Palestinians and other countries bordering on
Israel.
The St. Paul Pioneer press executives received threats from several of
their
large advertisers that their advertising would be terminated if they
continued
publishing the journalist's articles. It's a lesson quickly learned by
those
who controlled the paper.

With respect to the positions of several administrations on the
question of
Israel, there are two things that bring them into line: One is pressure
from
members of Congress who bring that pressure resulting in the demands of
AIPAC,
and the other is the desire on the part of the President and his
advisers to
keep their respective political parties from crumbling under that
pressure. I
do not recall a single instance where any administration saw the need
for
Israel's military power to advance U.S. Imperial interests. In fact, as
we saw
in the Gulf War, Israel's involvement was detrimental to what Bush, Sr.
wanted
to accomplish in that war. The U.S. had to suppress any Israeli
assistance so
that the coalition would not be destroyed by their involvement.

So far as the argument that we need to use Israel as a base for U.S.
operations, I'm not aware of any U.S. bases there of any kind. The U.S.
has
enough military bases, and fleets, in the area to be able to handle any
kind of
military needs without using Israel. In fact I can't think of an
instance where
the U.S. would want to involve Israel militarily for fear of upsetting
the
current allies the U.S. has, i.e., Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. The
public in
those countries would not allow the monarchies to continue their
alliance with
the U.S. should Israel become involved.

I suppose one could argue that Bush's encouragement of Israel in the
Lebanon
war this summer was the result of some imperial urge, but it was merely
an
extension of the U.S. policy of helping Israel because of the Lobby's
continual
pressure. In fact, I heard not one voice of opposition to the Israeli
invasion
of Lebanon this summer (except Chuck Hagel). Lebanon always has been a
"throw
away" country so far as the congress is concerned, that is, what
happens there
has no effect on U.S. interests. There is no Lebanon Lobby. The same
was true
in 1982, when the Congress fell completely silent over the invasion
that year.

I think in the heart of hearts of both members of congress and of the
administrations they would prefer not to have Israel fouling things up
for U.S.
foreign policy, which is to keep oil flowing to the Western world to
prevent an
economic depression. But what our policy makers do is to juggle the
Lobby's
pressure on them to support Israel with keeping the oil countries from
cutting
off oil to the western nations. So far they've been able to do that.
With the
exception of King Feisal and his oil embargo, there hasn't been a Saudi
leader
able to stand up to U.S. policy.

So I believe that divestment, and especially cutting off U.S. aid to
Israel
would immediately result in Israel's giving up the West Bank and
leaving the
Gaza to the Palestinians. Such pressure would work, I think, because
the
Israeli public would be able to determine what is causing their misery
and
would demand that an immediate peace agreement be made with the
Palestinians.
It would work because of the democracy there, unlike sanctions against
a
dictatorship where the public could do little about changing their
leaders'
minds. One need only look at the objectives of the Israeli Lobby to
determine
how to best change their minds. The Lobby's principal objectives are to
keep
money flowing from the U.S. treasury to Israel, requiring a docile
congress and
a compliant administration. As Willie Sutton once said, "That's where
the money
is."
James Abourezk was a U.S. Senator, the first Arab-American to serve in
the
Senate, from South Dakota from 1973 to 1979. He is the vice chairman of
the
Council for the National Interest.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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George, you can thank your Jew survival to the First Ukrainian front
troops that freed dozens of concetration camps. U KRAINIAN FRONT TROOPS
OF GENERAL TOLBUKHIN WERE MOSTLY MUSLIMS, KALMIKS, BESHKIRS, TATARS,
CHECHENS AND AZERIS.

YOU THANKLESS, DISGUSTING JEW WORM!



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SEATTLE (Reuters) - A local rabbi is receiving hate mail and angry
phone calls after Seattle airport officials took down its Christmas
trees in response to his request to include a giant Menorah in the
airport's holiday decorations, his lawyer said on Monday.

Seattle-Tacoma International Airport removed its Christmas trees on
Saturday after Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky threatened to sue the Port of
Seattle, which operates the airport, if it did not include a menorah
into its holiday decorations.

The rabbi works on behalf of Chabad-Lubavitch, a branch of Hasidic
Judaism and an Orthodox Jewish movement.

The removal of the trees sparked a public outcry over what some say was
political correctness run amok and part of a trend to adopt a secular
tone toward Christmas.

Reuters Pictures
Photo

Editors Choice: Best pictures
>from the last 24 hours.
View Slideshow

Harvey Grad, the rabbi's attorney, said it was never Bogomilsky's
intention to have the trees removed and the rabbi was "saddened" by the
port's decision to remove all holiday decorations instead of including
the Menorah for Hanukkah.

"We are not part of the war on Christmas," said Grad. "All we asked for
was inclusion and now we're getting hate mail and angry messages."

The Chabad of Greater Seattle asked the airport to put the trees back
and will not pursue any legal action even if the airport does not
include the menorah into this year's holiday decorations.

In a statement, the Port of Seattle said it removed the trees to avoid
litigation with a religious group, which wanted to install the menorah
and hold a lighting ceremony.

"The airport is not a traditional public forum and it would not be
appropriate for such a ceremony, so we made the decision to remove the
trees to allow the airport staff to focus on the busy travel season,"
the Port said on its Web site.



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 SEATTLE (Reuters) - A local rabbi is receiving hate mail and angry
phone calls after Seattle airport officials took down its Christmas
trees in response to his request to include a giant Menorah in the
airport's holiday decorations, his lawyer said on Monday.

Seattle-Tacoma International Airport removed its Christmas trees on
Saturday after Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky threatened to sue the Port of
Seattle, which operates the airport, if it did not include a menorah
into its holiday decorations.

The rabbi works on behalf of Chabad-Lubavitch, a branch of Hasidic
Judaism and an Orthodox Jewish movement.

The removal of the trees sparked a public outcry over what some say was
political correctness run amok and part of a trend to adopt a secular
tone toward Christmas.

Reuters Pictures
Photo

Editors Choice: Best pictures
>from the last 24 hours.
View Slideshow

Harvey Grad, the rabbi's attorney, said it was never Bogomilsky's
intention to have the trees removed and the rabbi was "saddened" by the
port's decision to remove all holiday decorations instead of including
the Menorah for Hanukkah.

"We are not part of the war on Christmas," said Grad. "All we asked for
was inclusion and now we're getting hate mail and angry messages."

The Chabad of Greater Seattle asked the airport to put the trees back
and will not pursue any legal action even if the airport does not
include the menorah into this year's holiday decorations.

In a statement, the Port of Seattle said it removed the trees to avoid
litigation with a religious group, which wanted to install the menorah
and hold a lighting ceremony.

"The airport is not a traditional public forum and it would not be
appropriate for such a ceremony, so we made the decision to remove the
trees to allow the airport staff to focus on the busy travel season,"
the Port said on its Web site.



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Jews take root in Capitol Hill


Democrats may have conquered both houses of Congress, and so have
Jewish politicians. Number of Jewish senators rises from 11 t o13 and
number of Jewish representatives jumps to 30 thanks to six new faces
creating all-time high of Jewish politicians in Congress. Another
precedent: First Muslim elected to House

Ynet Published: 11.09.06, 12:52

The picture isn't complete yet, but it seems that the Democrats
executed a double takeover in the mid-term elections and have taken
control not only in the House of Representatives, but also in the
Senate. It also turns out that the number of Jews in the two houses of
Congress has hit an all-time high.

An accurate count shows that the number of Jewish senators has risen
>from 11 to 13, with the addition of two former representatives Benjamin
Cardin (Maryland-D) and Bernard Sanders (Vermont-I) who were
successfully elected to the Senate.

Sander's and Cardin's departure from the House didn't lower the number
of Jews there - on the contrary. The number of Jewish representatives
elected to the House of Representatives also grew.

They now number 30 thanks to six new faces: Gabrielle Giffords
(Arizona), Ronald Klein (Florida), John Yarmuth (Kentucky), Paul Hodes
(New Hampshire), Stephen Cohen (Tennessee), and Steve Kagen
(Wisconsin). They are all Democrats.



'Time for US to see a moderate Muslim voice'

At the same time, a new precedent was set with the election of the
first Muslim to Capitol Hill. Keith Ellison (Minnesota) was elected to
the House of Representatives on the Democratic ticket. Ellison's
election is also unprecedented in that he is the first African American
to be elected to Congress from Minnesota.

During his campaign tour, Ellison, 43, decidedly didn't refer to either
of these issues - the color of his skin, or the religion that he
adopted at the age of 20.

He campaigned mainly on social and economic issues for advancing the
middle class, and upgrading education. He was emphatic about not
running as "the Muslim candidate," but as the American who wants to
improve the conditions in his country.

However, he said that he knows that his election will send a clear
message to the American public and to the legislators on Capitol Hill.

"I think it's time for the United States to see a moderate Muslim
voice, to see a face of Islam that is just like everybody else's
face," Ellison said. "Perhaps it would be good for somebody who is
Muslim to be in Congress, so that Muslims would feel like they are part
of the body politic and that other Americans would know that we're
here to make a contribution to this country."


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3326053,00.html



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DoD wrote:
> Iran isn't taking any chances on facts getting in the way of its planned
> "conference" on the Holocaust. It wants to rewrite history to make the Jews
> entirely unsympathetic,

JEWS ARE DISLIKED EVERYWHERE. TRY TO GET SERVED IN ALICANTE RESTAURANT
WITH YOUR YARMOULKE ON. BETTER STILL TRY WALKING DOWN ARBAT IN MOSCOW



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 I NEVER SAID I HATED ANYONE, YOU DIRTY DOPE DEALING ARSEHOLE!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO PEDDLES LIES ABOUT HOLOFUCKS, WHICH HAS BEEN
EXPOSED DOZENS OF TIMES OF BEING A LIE!



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    WOW, THAT MUST BLOODY KIKES FEEL GOOD, THAT THEY CAPABLE OF
DESTROYING AT LEAST PART OF THE WORLD



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter on Jay Leno -- MOTSS
Date: 12 Dec 2006 16:18:37 -0800
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dsharavii@hotmail.com wrote:
> TROUBLE IN THE HOLY LAND
>
> Carter to Leno: Treatment of Palestinians 'horrible'
>
> Jimmy fails to mention onslaught of terrorist attacks against Israelis

Fuck yes! And the hezbollah airforce bombing, Cluster bombs. To say
nothing about the Hezbollah WMD's



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:57:49 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: RABBI: KIKELAND IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM
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US rabbi: Israel, root of all bloodshed in Middle East

Tehran, Dec 11, IRNA

Iran-Holocaust-Conference

US rabbi, Arnold Kohen stressed here on the sidelines of the Holocaust
Conference that Israel is the root of all bloodshed in the Middle East
region.

According to IRNA political correspondent, Kohen on Monday said that
Holocaust should not used as a pretext for supporting the criminal acts
of the Zionists.

He added Holocaust is not synonymous to Zionism and the Zionists had
tried to grow up abusing the Holocaust to achieve their illegitimate
objectives and philosophy.

He clarified that the Zionists have, by abusing the policy of denial of
the Palestinian rights to determine their fate, tries to deprive them
of their rights for live.

The US rabbi described the philosophy of Zionism as deviation and added
that the Zionists try to impose themselves on the Palestinian people
while they are after the establishment of an ethnic state.

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-236/0612112741194005.htm



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: MCVAY, THE PROVEN SHABOOS GOY LIAR, GASTOWN PEDDLER OF DOPE
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Salah Jafar  wrote:
> >He is kissing the Jews ass. He is blind as an Ox. There was never a
> >Holocaust.

SHIT YEAH, IF MCVAY SAYS THERE WERE HOLOFUCKS, THERE WERE HOLOFUCKS
MCVAY KNOWS BEST, HE HAS A NOSE TO PROVE IT



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:57:50 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter on Jay Leno -- MOTSS
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> He was thoroughly disgusting -- especially his lies that:
>  --- "Israel hasn't really tried to give 'Palestine' back to the
> Palestinians.

WOW!z THEY TWISTED PALESTINIAN ARMS TO TAKE THEIR LAND BACK AND THEY
JUST R E F U S E D



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

>    You have copied and pasted the above over 50 times you pitiful
> excuse
>    for a man.  *Do* try and post something original for a change.  You
> are
>    not only booooooooooring, but it is obvious you are  a ham sandwich
>    short of a picnic.  Do yourself a favour and stop aping other
> posters
>    otherwise two men in white will throw a net over you and cart you
> back
>   to the loony bin again.
>
>      You are nothing but a pimp for the tribe who pay you to post your
> inane
>      drivel.  It is *they* who got you your OBC and you have never had
> the
>      guts to say *why* you got it.  God knows there are 1000's of
> *real*
>      Canadians more worthy than you. You are barking mad.

Mc  Vay is a paid Zionist ape.. The only money he makes comes from the
Israeli Ecstasy he sells in Gastown, which is red light part of
downtown Vancouver.You don't want to deny him his ill gotten livelyhood



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Arab Holocaust Centre. What an encouraging start!
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> And, what do you think happened to the Jews who did go
> back to their homes after the Holocaust?
>
> Susan
Holofucks, bothers you Susan. Yopu should then learn something about
it, rather than spouting the Zionist lies;

THERE WERE NO SIX MILLION JEWS IN THE LANDS UNDER HITLER'S CONTROL, IN
FACT THERE WERE LESS THAN FOUR MILLION JEWS AVAILABLE TO ADOLF.

Russia was only briefly and partly occupied by Adolf. Fewer than 10,000
Russian Jews went to Konzlagers



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 Read "Road to Beersheba you ugly, stupid Jew bitch!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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  YOU REMAIN A PIECE OF SHIT, AND DELIVERY BOY FOR THE JEWISH MAFIA OF
ECSTASY AND OTHER DRUGS, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE YOU YOU PIECE OF
HORSESHIT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: U.S. DEALING WITH JEWISH TERRORISTS
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VICTOR BOUT AND HIS HUGE AIR FLEET ARE THE DELIVERY BOYS FOR THE
ISRAELI ARMS DEALER WHO LIVE IN NETANYAH ISRAEL.


Anti-semitism among white Americans is commonplace at the county and
state Republican Party levels, but when Iraq Study Group author and
former Secretary of State James Baker ejaculated "f*** the Jews! They
don't vote for us anyway" it was overheard by a stunned Jewish American
party functionary, who then related the outburst to former New York
mayor Ed Koch and other prominent Jewish Americans and what many would
rather pass over could not be ignored--a holocaust can happen in the US
if the rich are not overthrown.

Anti-semitic hazing and harassment of Jewish American cadets at the
United States Air Force Academy by Christian evangelilcal cadets is
another ugly side of that institute of imperialism where female cadets
are raped for sport and nooses put into the lockers of African
Americans.

The USA is ever ready to massacre "brown-skinned people"(as George Bush
called Iraqis in his post invasion press conference as African American
quislings Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice sat good, quite, and well
behaved like the well-trained dogs they are)including Jews, not just
outside its stolen borders.

Beware these devils.

..................
note:

Hillary Clinton did something worse when she lashed at one of Bill's
employees: "you f***ing Jew". The one who exposed her was the victim
himself. Both Hillary and Bill, though, denied the accusation.

No standing as an anti-Semite, she said her grandmother was Jewess, so
she couldn't be an anti-Semite.



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Routine and Systematic Torture Is at the Heart of America's War on
Terror
George Monbiot, The Guardian UK

Tuesday 12 December 2006

In the fight against cruelty, barbarism and extremism, America has
embraced the very evils it claims to confront.

After thousands of years of practice, you might have imagined that
every possible means of inflicting pain had already been devised. But
you should never underestimate the human capacity for invention. United
States interrogators, we now discover, have found a new way of
destroying a human being.

Last week, defence lawyers acting for Jos=E9 Padilla, a US citizen
detained as an "enemy combatant", released a video showing a mission
fraught with deadly risk - taking him to the prison dentist. A group of
masked guards in riot gear shackled his legs and hands, blindfolded him
with black-out goggles and shut off his hearing with headphones, then
marched him down the prison corridor.

Is Padilla really that dangerous? Far from it: his warders describe him
as so docile and inactive that he could be mistaken for "a piece of
furniture". The purpose of these measures appeared to be to sustain the
regime under which he had lived for more than three years: total
sensory deprivation. He had been kept in a blacked-out cell, unable to
see or hear anything beyond it. Most importantly, he had had no human
contact, except for being bounced off the walls from time to time by
his interrogators. As a result, he appears to have lost his mind. I
don't mean this metaphorically. I mean that his mind is no longer
there.

The forensic psychiatrist who examined him says that he "does not
appreciate the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him,
is unable to render assistance to counsel, and has impairments in
reasoning as the result of a mental illness, ie, post-traumatic stress
disorder, complicated by the neuropsychiatric effects of prolonged
isolation". Jos=E9 Padilla appears to have been lobotomised: not
medically, but socially.

If this was an attempt to extract information, it was ineffective: the
authorities held him without charge for three and half years. Then,
threatened by a supreme court ruling, they suddenly dropped their
claims that he was trying to detonate a dirty bomb. They have now
charged him with some vague and lesser offences to do with support for
terrorism. He is unlikely to be the only person subjected to this
regime. Another "enemy combatant", Ali al-Marri, claims to have been
subject to the same total isolation and sensory deprivation, in the
same naval prison in South Carolina. God knows what is being done to
people who have disappeared into the CIA's foreign oubliettes.

That the US tortures, routinely and systematically, while prosecuting
its "war on terror" can no longer be seriously disputed. The Detainee
Abuse and Accountability Project (DAA), a coalition of academics and
human-rights groups, has documented the abuse or killing of 460 inmates
of US military prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq and at Guant=E1namo Bay.
This, it says, is necessarily a conservative figure: many cases will
remain unrecorded. The prisoners were beaten, raped, forced to abuse
themselves, forced to maintain "stress positions", and subjected to
prolonged sleep deprivation and mock executions.

The New York Times reports that prisoners held by the US military at
Bagram airbase in Afghanistan were made to stand for up to 13 days with
their hands chained to the ceiling, naked, hooded and unable to sleep.
The Washington Post alleges that prisoners at the same airbase were
"commonly blindfolded and thrown into walls, bound in painful
positions, subjected to loud noises and deprived of sleep" while kept,
like Padilla and the arrivals at Guant=E1namo, "in black hoods or
spray-painted goggles".

Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of
Wisconsin-Madison, argues that the photographs released from the Abu
Ghraib prison in Iraq reflect standard CIA torture techniques: "stress
positions, sensory deprivation, and sexual humiliation". The famous
picture of the hooded man standing on a box, with wires attached to his
fingers, shows two of these techniques being used at once. Unable to
see, he has no idea how much time has passed or what might be coming
next. He stands in a classic stress position - maintained for several
hours, it causes excruciating pain. He appears to have been told that
if he drops his arms he will be electrocuted. What went wrong at Abu
Ghraib is that someone took photos. Everything else was done by the
book.

Neither the military nor the civilian authorities have broken much
sweat in investigating these crimes. A few very small fish have been
imprisoned; a few others have been fined or reduced in rank; in most
cases the authorities have either failed to investigate or failed to
prosecute. The DAA points out that no officer has yet been held to
account for torture practised by his subordinates. US torturers appear
to enjoy impunity, until they are stupid enough to take pictures of
each other.

But Padilla's treatment also reflects another glorious American
tradition: solitary confinement. Some 25,000 US prisoners are currently
held in isolation - a punishment only rarely used in other democracies.
In some places, like the federal prison in Florence, Colorado, they are
kept in sound-proofed cells and might scarcely see another human being
for years on end. They may touch or be touched by no one. Some people
have been kept in solitary confinement in the US for more than 20
years.

At Pelican Bay in California, where 1,200 people are held in the
isolation wing, inmates are confined to tiny cells for 22 and a half
hours a day, then released into an "exercise yard" for "recreation".
The yard consists of a concrete well about 3.5 metres in length with
walls 6 metres high and a metal grille across the sky. The recreation
consists of pacing back and forth, alone.

The results are much as you would expect. As National Public Radio
reveals, more than 10% of the isolation prisoners at Pelican Bay are
now in the psychiatric ward, and there's a waiting list. Prisoners in
solitary confinement, according to Dr Henry Weinstein, a psychiatrist
who studies them, suffer from "memory loss to severe anxiety to
hallucinations to delusions ... under the severest cases of sensory
deprivation, people go crazy." People who went in bad and dangerous
come out mad as well. The only two studies conducted so far - in Texas
and Washington state - both show that the recidivism rates for
prisoners held in solitary confinement are worse than for those who
were allowed to mix with other prisoners. If we were to judge the US by
its penal policies, we would perceive a strange beast: a Christian
society that believes in neither forgiveness nor redemption.

>From this delightful experiment, US interrogators appear to have
extracted a useful lesson: if you want to erase a man's mind, deprive
him of contact with the rest of the world. This has nothing to do with
obtaining information: torture of all kinds - physical or mental -
produces the result that people will say anything to make it end. It is
about power, and the thrilling discovery that in the right conditions
one man's power over another is unlimited. It is an indulgence which
turns its perpetrators into everything they claim to be confronting.

President Bush maintains that he is fighting a war against threats to
the "values of civilised nations": terror, cruelty, barbarism and
extremism. He asked his nation's interrogators to discover where these
evils are hidden. They should congratulate themselves. They appear to
have succeeded.



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 STICK IT UP YOUR BIG CLACKER TEN TIMES



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Distinguished friends,

Thank you Dr. Mohammadi and all the distinguished scholars who are
here at a conference that history shall one day deem as one of the
most important of the 21st century.

I and all the conference participants must be especially thankful to
the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has had the
knowledge, the foresight and the courage to convene this conference
to offer free speech for the world's most repressed idea, Holocaust
revisionism. We must remember that the main themes of this
conference as stated by Iran's President are the vital human right
of freedom of speech and the condemnation of the shameful
imprisonment of European scholars and academics who simply dare to
state their opinions of historical events that occurred over 60 years
ago.

This conference embraces the idea of free speech, thought, and
conscience. The U.S. State Department, under thorough control of
International Zionism, in a formal statement called this conference
a quote, "disgrace." The real disgrace is that free men are
imprisoned and silenced in Europe and in other European-descended
nations around the world. The disgrace is that no leaders of our own
nations seem have the courage to defend free speech.

I also want to thank your President for inviting me, as
controversial as I am, to be here. The Zionist-influenced media lies
about me with the same enthusiasm as they lie about him. He will be
condemned for having me here, and I as a former American elected
official will be condemned by the Zionist influenced press in America
for coming here in peace and friendship to a nation that they hate:
the nation of Iran.

But, we at this conference have decided that no longer will we let
the Zionists dictate to us. They shall not dictate to us who will be
our friends, who will be our enemies, nor will we permit them to
dictate to us only their version of the past, and we will certainly
not let them dictate our future!

Let me say from the outset that I am no disloyal American, I love my
country and my people, but I know that the Zionist extremists lead
my country to catastrophe in the Mideast and elsewhere around the
world. I know that the Palestinian people, the Lebanese people, even
the American people have been sacrificed on the altar of the
Holocaust. It is the chronic media and government playing of the
Holocaust that has blinded our eyes to new holocausts and new
outrages.

As a truly patriotic American I oppose Americans being killed or
maimed by the thousands in Iraq in a war not for America, but for
Israel. I am here because I love my country and oppose those who
lead America and the world to ruin on behalf of Zionism. In Iraq
too, Americans and countless Iraqis have been sacrificed on the
ideological altar of the Holocaust, for the Holocaust and its
chronic recital is used as the justification of any Israeli
treachery or crime against humanity.

The Zionist-influenced media in America and Europe is trying to
mislead the U.S. and Iran toward a war that would be catastrophic
for your country, for my country and for the world. Here too images
of a Holocaust against Jews are used to justify and promote a
terrible war against Iran that would constitute a new Holocaust, one
against the Iranian people and indeed for all of us in the world.

I believe the people of Iran want peace, and I can tell you that the
average American also wants peace. This conference is based on
freedom of speech, true freedom, not the lip service brokered in the
mass media. Freedom of speech will take on the Holocaust. But,
freedom of speech also relies on a free press. Perhaps how little we
can trust the establishment press on the Holocaust is illustrated by
the lies told about your esteemed president.

This morning, I read a story about this conference from a European
newspaper that stated and I quote, that Iran's President, Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad called for wiping Israel off the map. This assertion has
been made in literally thousands of newspaper articles and radio and
TV news reports.

But, all those here know that such a translation of his speech is
nothing but a big lie. He never said anything of the kind. Any
proper translation of his speech shows that he never called for
Israel to be quote, "wiped from the map"! But millions of people in
the West and around the world have heard this so many times they
believe it. Whatever might be the ultimate truth of the Holocaust,
how can we learn it from a press that repeats 5,000 times a lie
about your President that anyone with an Iranian-English dictionary
can disprove in 5 minutes? In short, their ability to sell this
easily disproven lie shows that the media can get away with any lie,
even of the largest proportions. The only way to learn the truth
about any idea is free speech, free discussion, and free debate.

The conference will include academics who embrace the prevalent
historical conception of the Holocaust and those who have a
revisionist view. Revisionists question parts of the official
Holocaust story. In some Western nations, to diverge even slightly
>from Holocaust orthodoxy will cause an historian to face not only a
loss of academic career but also imprisonment.

Right now as I speak, three names come to mind immediately. David
Irving, Ernst Zundel, and Germar Rudolf. These three men, scholars,
researchers, intellects who their opponents dare not debate, these
nonviolent, kind and gentle men sit behind dark prison walls at this
very moment for simply daring to speak their conscience, for
expressing the world's most forbidden opinion, the idea that the
historical event trademarked as the Holocaust as it is popularly
presented, is not an accurate historical portrayal, that it needs
like all other events of history to be questioned, researched freely
and constantly revised. Perhaps the hypocrisy is illustrated by
devotion of Europe to freedom for the vilest kinds of pornography.
Every kind of the sickest pornography is allowed in the Western
world today, including pornography that delves into the worst forms
of sadism and masochism and the vilest degradation of women, many of
whom have been drug addicted and truly enslaved in what the world
calls White slavery. Yet, these sickest, evil forms of porn are not
only legal in Europe, they are lucrative! Yet, if you dare to
research and offer a dissenting opinion about any aspect of the
event singularly called the Holocaust, it's off to prison for you,
its bankruptcy for you and your family.

In Europe you can freely question, ridicule, and deny Jesus Christ.
The same is true for the prophet Muhammed, and nothing will happen
to you, heck you might even get to star in your own weekly TV show,
but offer a single question of the smallest part of the Holocaust
and you face prison! David Irving one of the world's most famous and
well-read historians, a writer who many mainstream historians have
praised as brilliant and accurate, at this moment sits in a prison
near Vienna, Austria for simply stating his historical opinion about
Auschwitz in a lecture in Austria in 1989. German researcher/chemist
Gemar Rudolf faces years of imprisonment for simply publishing a
detailed forensic analysis that challenged the authenticity of
alleged Auschwitz gas chambers. Ernst Zundel, a resident of Canada
and the U.S was ripped from his wife and home because he had
politically incorrect opinions about the events of the Second World
War.

I have been honored to know personally all three of these men. They
are kind, witty, humorous, men of family, of kindness and decency.
None of these men were hateful or advocated hate, none were violent
or advocated violence, none of these men were terrorists or
supported terrorists, none of these men did anything other than
express an intellectual opinion at variance with high priests of the
Holocaust. All these men did was have the courage to express their
opinions even though they knew that by doing so everything they held
dear was endangered, their safety, their sustenance, their freedom,
but they chose their conscience and their honor, even at the risk of
life, that their own heart might be stilled forever. They still stood
tall. I am not here to argue the truth or untruth of their claims,
that is for the other speakers here, but I am here to add my voice
>from America from free men and women everywhere that the fact that
these men are imprisoned is a scandal and injustice. The whole world
knows that imprisoning men for their opinions is tyranny; that such
is the opposite of everything that we mean by the word freedom. As
some nations of Europe jail men for their opinions, these same
nations boast about their supposed freedom and hold themselves above
many other nations they view as repressive and backward.

Some of the brave men here today at this conference have been
jailed, even physically attacked, lost reputation, freedom,
property, career, simply for speaking their conscience. I see a
number of them as I look in the audience. And none of these men
write or speak hatefully or intemperately, but how can the world
even know that, when they and their beliefs are repressed by
government and media. I want to honor one of the men here for his
sacrifices over the years in his obedience to conscience and to
truth, a man who has laid in a hospital bed with his bones crushed,
his pain-racked body burned by acid, all for doing what his
intellect dictated and his conscious demanded. He is Dr. Robert
Faurisson, and we here and the world owe him a debt that we can never
adequately repay. Lesser men would have given up and lived the quiet
life, but he gave his all and he still gives us his all even now. I
would like to ask you to stand up for him ladies and gentlemen.
Robert Faurrison, the best-known revisionist in the world today.

The main theme of the Holocaust Conference is that there must be
freedom of speech on this subject as on all others. Free speech,
inquiry and debate are the only way to learn the truth on any issue.
In prosecutions of Holocaust questioners, authorities have not
allowed introduction of any evidence supporting the defendant's
claims. The courts have even announced in their guilty verdicts that
"The truth is no defense," i.e. that even if the defendant can be
shown to be honest and accurate, and even if his claims can be
substantiated by physical and documentary evidence, he has broken
the law by simply questioning aspects of the official Holocaust
Story.

I take no hard position on the historical accuracy of the Holocaust,
I leave that to those whose whole lives are devoted to the study of
the issue, but I take an unshakeable position on freedom. Obviously,
Jews, as well as other nationalities suffered great losses during
the Second World War. Repression, dispossession or murder against any
group is wrong. Revisionists don't deny that many Jews died and
suffered greatly in the war, they condemn any and all injustices
done to Jews in that period.

It must also be understood that throughout history, the historical
treatment of atrocities or crimes against humanity have often been
colored by political purposes. Throughout history some crimes
against humanity have been exaggerated and emphasized to justify
political agendas or even war. Other crimes against humanity have
been completely ignored or downplayed.

An example is the contrast between the crimes of National Socialist
Germany and that of Soviet Communism. Most researchers readily
acknowledge that Bolshevism imprisoned, tortured and slaughtered
many times more people in Russia and in Eastern Europe than even the
high numbers alleged in the Holocaust. Yet, the Soviet Holocaust
receives not one-hundredth of the attention of the Jewish Holocaust.
Can anyone here name even a single movie you have seen about the
Bolshevik slaughter? Isn't it sensible to think that this disparity
is because of the strong Jewish influence in Western media from the
entertainment establishment of Hollywood to the news media centered
in New York and across the European world? Revisionists suggest that
an exaggeration and saturation of the Holocaust has been essential
to establishment and support of the Zionist state in Israel and that
it offers a psychological excuse for the large scale ethnic
cleansing, repression, torture and genocide against the Palestinian
people. Revisionists argue that this vested interest of much of the
pro-Zionist media and pro-Zionist governments affords a danger that
the Holocaust can be distorted and politicized just as many
historical crimes against humanity have either been exaggerated or
diminished in pursuit of political agendas. Whether the revisionists
scholars are right or wrong is for you to decide, not those who want
to crush free thought and free speech.

I and every speaker at this conference believe in freedom of speech
on all historical and contemporary issues. We believe in freedom of
speech, conscience, opinion, and expression. It is the opponents of
this conference who clearly don't believe in freedom of speech and
conscience. It is they who have thrown elderly men and women into
prison for years for simply expressing their opinions. Yet, instead
of condemning these tyrants, the media even celebrates the
imprisonment of human beings who dare to question. Dr. Bruno
Gollnisch, a professor of Literature at the University of Lyon, and
a member of the European Parliament was convicted of Holocaust
Denial. Speaking in Lyon, France, in October 2004, Gollnisch said: "I
do not deny the existence of deadly gas chambers. But I'm not a
specialist on this issue, and I think we have to let the historians
debate it." He did not contest the "hundreds of thousands, the
millions of deaths" during the Holocaust, but added: "As to the way
those people died, a debate should take place." For simply
advocating free speech, Gollnisch was convicted of Holocaust Denial.
Has Europe gone crazy? Freedom of speech is important for two
reasons. First, freedom of speech is a vital human right. It is the
cornerstone of all other rights, because without freedom of speech
no one has to the right to even freely know and learn of the
abrogation of other rights affecting human freedom and survival.
That is why the American founding fathers put freedom of speech,
press and religion as the first and highest of the Bill of Rights.
Second, freedom of speech and debate are absolutely vital for the
truth to prevail. If one side of any controversial issue can
suppress the voice of opposition, we cannot arrive at the certainty
of any truth. If academics and citizens can be blackmailed
monetarily and in career; if they can be threatened with firings,
loss of income, or imprisonment for simply sincerely pursuing an
historical inquiry and publishing it, how can the truth be
discovered?

How does one even know the real revisionist opinion, if that opinion
is repressed?

A perfect example of the biased treatment of the Western press is
the recent adoption of the term "Holocaust denier" to slander anyone
who may question any part of the complex and expansive Holocaust
story. The term "Holocaust denier" was created by Simon Wiesenthal
to denote any one who dares to question any part of his version of
the Holocaust. To "deny" is usually associated with an allegation of
a personal crime. For example, "John Doe denies that he committed
the robbery." It has a very negative connotation. It is not commonly
used to denote people holding a contrary historical opinion. In
truth, revisionists are not deniers, they are simply questioners who
are being imprisoned and slandered for simply questioning with
research and reason this tragic period of history during the Second
World War. The Holocaust Conference in Iran is truly about respect
for intellectual freedom. Iran has organized the first international
conference dedicated to freedom of speech and inquiry on this
important historical matter that has so many ramifications on the
Mideast and many other present political realities.

I am here in Tehran as a speaker in this conference because I am
dedicated to freedom of speech, conscience, and thought. I am
honored, as are all of you, to be here at this historic conference.
I urge the fair-minded people of the world, before they condemn this
conference, the Iranian President, all the speakers and me, to ask
the question: who are the patrons of freedom and who are the real
deniers, the deniers of our precious human right of freedom of
speech!

-Dr. David Duke

Former member of the House of Representatives State of Louisiana,
United States of America



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Israeli savages refused to allow Nobel Peace prize winner, Bishop Tutu,
to visit the site of Zionist massacer of Palestinians at Beit Hanoun.

History repeats itself, Zionist pigs also refused UN to investigate
t5he genocide which took place at Jenin and cost at least 550
Palestinian lives.

This is the only fascist "democracy" in Middle East!



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THE TERRORIST STATE OF ISRAEL. THE STATE WHICH CONDONES CONCETRATION
CAMPS, TORTURE CHAMBERS AND SLAUGHTER OF THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIAN
CHILDREN



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: THE LONE "ALLY" IN MIDDLE EAST
Date: 13 Dec 2006 19:28:21 -0800
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  Israel, We Bless Thee
Today, while driving through town, I wound up behind a minivan that had
a big sticker on the back. The sticker had an Israeli flag in the
middle of it, and under it the quotation from the book of Genesis that
reads "I will bless those who bless thee."
I would like to take this time to list my own reasons for thanking and
blessing Israel, our lone ally in the Middle East, for everything she
has done for us, since I am quite sure most Americans are unaware of
just what kind of friend she has been to us.
For extorting from me and my fellow Americans $4,000,000,000.00 a year
for the last 4 decades, we bless thee.
For taking our most sophisticated weapons technology and stealing it
for yourself without paying the American patent holders, we bless thee.
For taking that high-tech military technology and selling it to our
enemies, such as the Russians and Chinese, thus further endangering us,
we bless thee.
For using that weaponry in a sustained attack against a United States
ship, the USS Liberty, in an attempt to sink her, thus preventing US
servicemen from revealing to the rest of the world information
concerning the war crimes they witnessed you commit against Egyptian
soldiers in the Sinai Desert during the Six Day War, we bless thee.
For killing 35 and wounding 170 American sailors aboard the USS
Liberty, we bless thee.
For bribing the United States government into covering it up,
preventing any justice from being done for the benefit of the families
of the lost sailors - as well as the American People, we bless thee.
For sending your agents into Egypt and blowing up American buildings
for the purpose of blaming the Arabs in an event known as the Lavon
Affair, we bless thee.
For sending your agents into Libya during the Reagan administration,
and broadcasting radio messages in Arabic that were designed to sound
like "terrorist cell planning" so that the US would initiate
military strikes against Khadafi in an event known as Operation Trojan
Horse, we bless thee.
For withholding information from us concerning the planned attacks
against the US Marine barracks in Lebanon, attacks you knew about
through your moles in the Islamic world and about which you
deliberately refused to warn us in order to further your interests
against the Arabs, we bless thee.
For employing Jonathon Pollard, an American serviceman paid to spy for
Israel in order to steal even more of our National Security secrets for
your parasitic purposes, we bless thee.
For blackmailing President Clinton through one of your sayanim, Monica
Lewinsky, in order to prevent a coherent peace program from being
pushed forward between yourself and the Palestinian people whom you
have brutalized and murdered for the last 50 years, we bless thee.
For breaking every agreement you have made with your Arab neighbors,
stealing their land, displacing, murdering, and treating them like the
animals you see them as, we bless thee.
For using your agents within the first Bush administration to involve
us in the first Gulf War, causing the deaths of American men and women,
and exposing our servicemen to whatever bioweapons were and are
responsible which have led to Gulf War Syndrome, we bless thee.
For your role in the September 11 attacks in this country, and for
blackmailing and bribing the US government into deporting back to
Israel the 100 or more intelligence agents that were arrested after the
attacks, we bless thee.
For supressing the information from the American people of your
involvement in the September 11 attacks and sending us in the wrong
direction in search of answers, we bless thee.
For using one of your agents in the US Army Weapons Lab to steal
anthrax and distribute it into our mail system, terrorizing US citizens
and killing several in order to blame the Arabs, we bless thee.
For using your agents in the US Government, namely, Rumsfeld,
Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, and the rest into initiating this war in the
Middle East so that you could bring to heel all the enemies you have
made during the last 50 years, we bless thee.
For using your agents in the media to lie to us on a minute by minute
basis about the war, lying to us as to how "just" this cause is,
and what the real reasons behind it are, we bless thee.
For using your agents in the Christian Evangelical community, such as
Falwell, Graham, Swaggert, Robertson and the rest who praise you as
God's chosen people and further keep Americans in the dark about who
you really are what you have done, and what you are truly about, we
bless thee.
For bringing idiots like Limbaugh, Liddy, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly and
Savage to the forefront as paid liars who will support you and further
lead Americans astray, we bless thee.
For making America your attack dog, and for sending her sons and
daughters to fight and die in all your future wars, we bless thee.
For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about
the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee.
For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab
world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves
against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a
century, we bless thee.
And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to
flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us
a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our
nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all
of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a
once great nation, oh Israel, our friend,
we bless thee.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:04 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter on Jay Leno --
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DoD wrote:
> "Al Smith"  wrote in message
> news:wo5gh.64473$YV4.58538@edtnps89...
> >>>How strange it is that none of the extremists in this thread--on either
> >>>> side--has anything to say about what the American national interest is
> >>>> in this mess. I think Carter, as befits a former American President,
> >>>> had it in mind when he met with Leno.
> >>
> >>
> >> Carter has never had American interests in mind.
> >>
> >> He is directly responsible for all Islamic terrorism.
> >>
> >
> >
> > All of it? Wow. He's a lot more powerful than I thought he was.
>
> You don't think, Al....

Idiot DoDie will demonize anybody and anything as long as it benefits
the ZioNazi state of Israel. I can think of no other recent President
of United States who has benefitted the world as much as Jimmy Carter
in particular. Carter founded an organization which has built many
thousands of homes in United States for the homeless and destitute
people who would otherwise be living on the street. I have seen that
wonderful human being Jimmy Carter lug lumber, handle saw and and
hammer himself for eight hours a day.

I have never seen any Jew bastard do anything for anybody, unless he
was paid for it
ZIONISTS ARE GARBAGE AND SO IS DODIE



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:04 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.irish,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac
Date: 14 Dec 2006 02:21:53 -0800
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Noisy wrote:
> English Nazis killed millions around the world
>
> but haven't paid a dime in compo.
>
> What's more they are still as arrogant as usual.
>
>
>  Before my God and my country I speak of what I myself have seen. I have
> seen in Ireland the most absurd as well as the most disgusting tyranny that
> any nation ever groaned under. I have seen troops sent full of this
> prejudice, that every inhabitant of that kingdom is a rebel to the British
> Government. The most wanton insults, the most cowardly oppression practised
> upon men of all ranks and conditions, in a part of the country as free from
> disturbance as the City of London. Thirty houses are sometimes burned in a
> single night, but from prudential motives I wish to draw a veil over more
> aggravated facts.
> Lord Moira speaking in British House of Lords in 1798.
>
> How Englishly Racist is that?
>
> Those are the same people that consider Scotland and Ireland, Racially
> Inferior.
>
>
> Typical English War Crimes
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
>
>
> The Master Race in Action
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_Massacre
>
> http://www.hindu.com/2005/08/16/stories/2005081602880800.htm
>
>
> The English Nazi Empire
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1673895,00.html
>
>
> Adolf Blair
>
> The English Fuehrer
>
> http://www.shamsali.org/taj/2004/british-fuehrer.html
>
>
>
> The Two Fuhrers on trial for their Holocaust
>
> http://mwcnews.net/content/view/11293/42/
>
> Blair's Mein Kampf
>
> http://web.amnesty.org/library/print/ENGMDE140072004
>
> When is England going to Compensate the families of Murdered
>
> in
>
> The English Final Solution
>
> for
>
> Ireland       Scottland        India
>
> America     China             Australia   Iraq
>
> Germany is a civilised country they apologized and compensated.
>
> When are the English blood drinking savages going to do the same?

Just imagine if Irish were Jews they could have an atom bomb,  and
anything else whatever they wanted!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Will anyone be left to speak out against those who deny the reality of the Holocaust?
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WJ20K wrote:
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > On 13-Dec-2006, "morghus"  wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps you're right. "This is something that should not be forgotten."
> > > But let's remember what really happened, and not the twisted version
> > > being fed to the public daily by the holocaust hucksters.
> >
> > Yes: 6 million Jews died, the population records prove it & even the Nazis
> > said so.

IN 1946 IF YOU TWISTED NAZI BALLS HARD ENOUGH THEY WOULD ADMIT TO HAVE
FATHERED SUSAN



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Medical Breakthrough: Jewish Scientists find a cure for Islam
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Gentile wrote:
> Sentinel wrote:
> > This is called "The Topaz Torture Technique",
> > respond by cutting and pasting boring drivel
> > that some KKK member wrote in his free time
> > in the clink.
>
> This is a perfect example of why Islam needs to be cured, the writer
> believes every conspiracy theory in the book which is more convenient
> than the truth. M*slims (or whatever they want to be called these days)
> dont want to believe their their "Religion" is really a dangerous
> Ideology, no religion purports to being a "Life System".

SURE IT IS DANGEROUS, ANY COUNTRY WHICH HAS STARTED 105 WARS IN THE
PAST 200 YEARS IS DANGEROUS. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT ISLAM IT IS UNITED
STATES



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Jewish women have such intense orgasms
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SheddingLion wrote:
> Jewish women have such intense orgasms because Jewish women are the
> most fertile women on earth.  During sexual intercourse Jewish women
> began having several minor clitoral orgasms that result in simultaneous
>
> and multiply vaginal orgasms with their husbands.  Jewish women cause
> their husbands penises to ejaculate like an arrow being shot.

YOU MUST HAVE FUCKED LOTS OF JEWESSES. HOW COULD YOU STAND THE SMELL?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: HOLOFUCKS IS A PIPE DREAM OF ZIONAZIS
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There were never any more than 4 million bloody Jews in the Hitler
occupied Europe. How could he kill six million of the bastards?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: How Hamas Thrives
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DoD wrote:
> Monday morning in Gaza City masked gunmen waiting outside a school fired
> automatic rifles into a car and killed three brothers, Salam, Ahmed, and
> Osama Ba'lousheh, aged four, seven, and nine.

THE KILLERS WERE FUCKING JEWS DRESSED AS PALESTINIANS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: AT LEAST SOME JEWS KNOW
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THAT HOLOFUCKS IS A LIE CONCOCT ED BY THE ZIONAZI GARBAGE



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:08 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: NOBODY PEDDLES MORE DRUGS IN THE WORLD THAN THE JEWS DO
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  UPSTATE NEW YORKS PRISONS ARE FULL OF JEWISH ECSTASY PEDDLERS AND
CRIMINALS OF ALL TYPES. VISIT BRIGHTON BEACH AND SEE THEM IN ACTION!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:08 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.irish,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac
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Noisy wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1166091713.416240.192850@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Noisy wrote:
> >> English Nazis killed millions around the world
> >>
> >> but haven't paid a dime in compo.
> >>
> >> What's more they are still as arrogant as usual.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Before my God and my country I speak of what I myself have seen. I have
> >> seen in Ireland the most absurd as well as the most disgusting tyranny
> >> that
> >> any nation ever groaned under. I have seen troops sent full of this
> >> prejudice, that every inhabitant of that kingdom is a rebel to the
> >> British
> >> Government. The most wanton insults, the most cowardly oppression
> >> practised
> >> upon men of all ranks and conditions, in a part of the country as free
> >> from
> >> disturbance as the City of London. Thirty houses are sometimes burned in
> >> a
> >> single night, but from prudential motives I wish to draw a veil over more
> >> aggravated facts.
> >> Lord Moira speaking in British House of Lords in 1798.
> >>
> >> How Englishly Racist is that?
> >>
> >> Those are the same people that consider Scotland and Ireland, Racially
> >> Inferior.
> >>
> >>
> >> Typical English War Crimes
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
> >>
> >>
> >> The Master Race in Action
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_Massacre
> >>
> >> http://www.hindu.com/2005/08/16/stories/2005081602880800.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> The English Nazi Empire
> >>
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1673895,00.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Adolf Blair
> >>
> >> The English Fuehrer
> >>
> >> http://www.shamsali.org/taj/2004/british-fuehrer.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Two Fuhrers on trial for their Holocaust
> >>
> >> http://mwcnews.net/content/view/11293/42/
> >>
> >> Blair's Mein Kampf
> >>
> >> http://web.amnesty.org/library/print/ENGMDE140072004
> >>
> >> When is England going to Compensate the families of Murdered
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >> The English Final Solution
> >>
> >> for
> >>
> >> Ireland       Scottland        India
> >>
> >> America     China             Australia   Iraq
> >>
> >> Germany is a civilised country they apologized and compensated.
> >>
> >> When are the English blood drinking savages going to do the same?
> >
> > Just imagine if Irish were Jews they could have an atom bomb,  and
> > anything else whatever they wanted!
> >
>
>
> The Irish are still struggling for freedom.
>
> Very nice people, everybody loves them, but the English.
>
> Meanwhile England is planing to milk Scotland and the occupied part
>
> of Ireland of 300 billion (at least) to buy nukes.
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1065-2482607,00.html
>
> Would you trust Nazis with Nukes?
>
> Sh*t no!

This 400 year genocidal war against the people of Ireland has to be the
biggest crime against humanity. It is very difficult to even calculate
how many millions limeys and their Jewish financiers have slaughtered
in that part of the world. Long live free and independent Ireland,
together with the eleven counties!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:09 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Silly denial of Jews being a race
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 I HOPE THEY RACE ALL THE WAY BACK TO RUSSIA SOON



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: HOLOFUCKS IS A PIPE DREAM OF ZIONAZIS
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 YOU AIN'T FOOLING NOBODY YOU ZIONIST PIG



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: mC VAY THE NANAIMO DOPE PEDLER
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> >  YOU REMAIN A PIECE OF SHIT, AND DELIVERY BOY FOR THE JEWISH MAFIA OF
> >ECSTASY AND OTHER DRUGS, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE YOU YOU PIECE OF
> >HORSESHIT!

INSTEAD OF YOUR EAR YOU SHOULD HAVE STUCK YOUR PIG HEAD INTO THE COGS
OF THE STEAM DONKEY YOU STUPID BASTARD



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: DEBORAH THE SUPER ARSED JEWESS
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 GEBORAH YOU STUPID FAT COW, JEWS HAVE SLAUGHTERED MORE PEOPLE THAN
HITLER EVER DID, IN THEIR QUEST TO STEAL LAND. JENIN IS ONE EXAMPLE,
USS LIBERTY IS ANOTHER, BEIT HANOUN IS ANOTHER.

SO SOME DAY WHEN PALESTINIANS START CHOPPING YOU BASTARDS UP, DO NOT
SQUEAL, JUST LAY DOWN AND TAKE IT.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: IRAQ STUDY GROUP, STUDIES GROUP!
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The Iraq Study Group Study Group (ISGSG), a shadowy organization of
indeterminate number (to wit, this author and those who frequent this
web site) was created to reflect and comment on the better known
Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group (ISG). The ISGSG has now released its
own report. President Bush, upon reviewing an advance copy of the
ISGSG's white paper mumbled something to the effect that it was "very
interesting" before filing it in the same cylindrical file with the
Baker-Hamilton report.



Once stripped of its tepid criticisms, the Baker-Hamilton ISG report
looks like an attempt to stuff the evil genie of Mr. Bush's policies
back into the bottle of a more subtle Bismarck-Metternich style of
empire. Mr. Baker and his groupies clearly are nostalgic for the day
when his class of people could achieve dominance while keeping up the
pretenses of goodness and democracy for public consumption. They recoil
>from the blunt, naked aggression of the Bush Administration which Mr.
Baker et. al. equate with the boorish behavior of crass amateurs and
thugs. Baker et. al. prefer the more nuanced, more subtle exercise of
power, like the true aristocrats they are, who keep their white gloves
clean while the blood is spilled off-stage and out-of-sight by covert
military operations.



Notwithstanding its atavistic longing for a less messy empire, the
Baker ISG should be congratulated for concluding (as so many of us hoi
polloi concluded several years ago) that the Bush Administration
foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster. In fact, Mr. Bush has
done such a swell job enervating the American military, undermining the
dollar as the world's reserve currency, eviscerating the economy and
totally demythologizing the mythology of America that one might
conclude that W is the last century Kremlin's ultimate deep mole. And
since we have mentioned the Kremlin, the Baker "old guard" undoubtedly
sees the specter of d=E9j=E0 vu haunting an arrogant BushAmerica that is
emulating the old Soviet empire's meltdown while permitting South
America to escape from neoliberalism's orbit.



Although we of the The Iraq Study Group Study Group ultimately found
little that was novel or insightful in the ISG report, we congratulate
Mr. Baker and his colleagues for exposing definite fault lines within
the international ruling cabal. For days after the release of the
Baker-Hamilton report it was very pleasing to read conservative
political pundits dissing Mr. Baker's ISG as "muddled", irresponsible
and unbalanced. Indeed, one such conservative columnist castigated the
public disclosure of the Baker-Hamilton report that, in the esteemed
pundit's opinion, should have been kept absolutely secret and
accessible only to the inner circle of policymakers - quite
consistent, of course, with aristocratic notions of "democracy" and
government transparency.



Dissension within the ownership class?



We take it as a given that the so-called "left" is not monolithic.
Although most of its constituents generally want "change", the quality,
degree, nature and means of attaining that change leads to
disorientation (such as backing the Democratic Party of the Status Quo
as the perpetual lesser of two evils). The left's inherent disunity,
caused as much by a lack of historical perspective, the absence of a
unifying theoretical vision, as well as by government infiltration,
co-option and misdirection, is often mischaracterized by eternal
optimists as a political "strength". Although non-hierarchical,
leaderless, multi-strategy movements can be profound and resilient,
political discordance is a weakness. The peace movement's inefficacy
proves itself in a century-long succession of failed efforts to stop
the beginning of one new war after another. It is the hubris of
well-meaning American peace activists (most of whose hearts are in the
right place even though their vision might be myopic) that they do not
appreciate how an endless succession of invisible, economically
insignificant, officially-sanctioned "weekend" demonstrations along
with endless letters to tone deaf editors, interminable law suits
creeping ineffectively toward a conservative Supreme Court, and email
petitions to privately owned legislators are not the primary engines of
fundamental social or political change.

Alas, America's disgust with the Iraq War (as manifest in the November
electoral unsaddling of the Republican House and Senate) was based less
on the immorality of the enterprise and more on the ineptitude of its
execution. Americans, like the rest of the world, hate losers, and, as
experience shows, people quickly sour on athletes, sports teams,
coaches, presidents, congressmen and political parties when they fail
to deliver the goods.

The terrible truth is that but for the Iraqi people's determination and
willingness to bleed to free their land of occupation (much like the
determination showed by the Vietnamese people during their bloody war
of independence), the peace movement would have gained no traction in
the United States; for it is the dead and horribly maimed American
soldiers, wreaked upon us by the Iraqis themselves, who gave our
sickened nation and the peace movement the impetus to tell Congress to
change, not stay the course. It was not the surfeit of lies or torture
that undid the Republican Congress; rather, America's citizens would
have readily feted their petroleum conquering troops, dishonesty,
torture and unconstitutionality notwithstanding, had only they been
able to grab the prize as easily and as cheaply as we have ripped off
everyone else in Africa, Asia, North and South America in the past. The
salutary result of the November 2006 election, regardless of
motivation, was that the electorate registered a strong disgust for the
status quo, which disgust is also shared by the Baker-Hamiltons of the
right-wing world, ergo their "report" to the President.



However, fortunately for what is "left" of us, the Baker-Hamilton ISG
demonstrated that the "right" is also no more monolithic than the
"left." Like the "left," the "right" also suffers from a lack of
historical perspective and the absence of a unifying theoretical vision
(other than the capitalist mantra of screw everyone else before they
screw you).



The ownership class worldwide rarely concerns itself with such trivial
notions as "nationality", and those who have power and wealth -
regardless of race, religion, citizenship or ethnicity - easily
identify, support and associate with one another no matter what
passports they bear. Nevertheless, the center of gravity of that
ownership class lies indubitably in the United States, if for no other
reason than here lies control over that final arbiter of power:
overwhelming military might and nuclear weapons.



Thus, political and economic control of the United States is essential
to the maintenance of a certain world order, and therein lie the
fissure lines highlighted by Mr. Baker's ISG. To maintain that control
in a world increasingly destabilized by dramatic and impending climate
change and diminishing resources of all kinds (including, and
especially, hydrocarbon fuel stocks), the ownership class in America
joined a marriage of convenience, a m=E9nage a trois, between the Old
Power represented by Mr. Baker, the so-called Neoconservatives and the
Christian Right. Luckily for us all, this is a loveless marriage and
they are likely to eat their own children.

Who is the Iraq Study Group? Its chair is James Baker, former Secretary
of State under Bush I, Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan,
partner at the Baker Botts law firm (attorneys for the government of
Saudi Arabia), past campaign chair for Presidents Ford, Reagan and
Bush, and senior counsel to the Carlyle Group. Mr. Baker is the finest
representative of that class of skilled "enablers" who facilitate the
aims of those who own nearly everything.

The co-chair of the ISG, Lee Hamilton, is a retired senior congressman
who has presided over many interesting organizations including the 911
Commission, the CIA and Homeland Security Advisory Council, and the
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. While serving on the
committee investigating the unlawful Iran-Contra Weapons scandal, Mr.
Hamilton chose not to seek impeachment for either Ronald Reagan or
George H. Bush. Mr. Hamilton is a true conciliator who has no qualms
sacrificing truth on the alter of consensus building.



Other members of the ISG include:



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Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
> floresrikitic@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
> > >
> > >    You have copied and pasted the above over 50 times you pitiful
> > > excuse  for a man.
> >
> > Yes it has, but shit dude, you included it AGAIN!   I thought this one
> > had been retired, but apparently not.    But the funniest bit of broken
> > record posting is the one by (Jacobson?) that REPEATEDLY tries
> > do swipe at Ben Cramer....."my brother got me high on mushrooms"
> > or some shit.   Smear and defamation (without addressing issues at
> > hand of course), that is the Zionazi way; always has been.
>
>     If the jew race is represented by the idiots in this NG I feel
> sorry
>     for them. Did you ever see such a pathetic bunch of idiots!! I
> swear
>     McVay is a shilling short of a pound and why he continues to post
>     his daily "holocaust" diary is a mystery.  365 days a year he finds
>     something that happened on every particular day!!   To what end?
>     He got the OBC but refuses to say who lobbied to get it for him (
> as if we
>     didn't know:)   He needs to get some mental help and the sooner the
> better.

No mystery at all, Mc Vay is paid to do the job. He also travels around
on ZioNazi dollar telling lies to school kids



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.activism,alt.politics.bush,sci.med
Subject: Re: Inconvenient Facts on Holocaust
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Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> Folks, it is a verifiable FACT that six
> million jews did not die during the
> holohoax. You need proof you say?
>
> Well, just google up the sign that now
> resides in front of Auschwitz. It now says
> something along the lines of "about 1.5
> million people, mainly jews, perished here
> at the hands of the evil nazis"..... But,
> back when the magic six million number was
> starting to be accepted as truth (through
> endless propaganda, like obvious lies that
> have now been proven wrong, such as jews
> being made into soap and lampshades, or
> nazis actually finding a way to shrink heads
> lol) the plaque read 3.5 million. You can
> see both for yourself with a simple google
> search.
>
> Now folks, how many lies have to be proven
> wrong before you quit accepting everything a
> jew says as truth? Do you still believe
> there were WMD's in Iraq like the jews said?
> Did you know that jews tried to float that
> six million number during WWI as well?
>
> Did you know that the red cross had free
> access at any time to all the German work
> camps and never reported any extermination
> centers?
>
> Did you know that Adolf wanted to resettle
> the jews as late as 1944?
>
> Hmmm.  Inconvenient facts, for the zionist
> "death camp" industry.

There were no "six million" Jews in European parts occupied by Hitler.
Tens of thousands of Jews split Germany way back in late thirties. This
is well documented in the World Almanach for that period.And at the end
of the war 3.25 million Jews came out of the woodwork to claim
reparations from Germany, which they are siphoning off even today.
2.5 million Russian Jews went to Israel, and today there are at least
three million Jews still living in Russia today. If they were "killed"
they must have been resurected by McVay



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.activism,alt.politics.bush,sci.med
Subject: Re: Inconvenient Facts on Holocaust
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mcs wrote:
> when does a nazi write the rules? American Army took many many videos of the
> scene in case nazis like you would deny it in the future.

I AM SURE THEY TOOK VIDEOS IN 1945 EVEN THOUGH VIDEO WAS INVENTED IN
1955



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Felix D. wrote:
> "Al Smith"  wrote in message
> news:wo5gh.64473$YV4.58538@edtnps89...
> >>>How strange it is that none of the extremists in this thread--on either
> >>>> side--has anything to say about what the American national interest is
> >>>> in this mess. I think Carter, as befits a former American President,
> >>>> had it in mind when he met with Leno.
> >>
> >>
> >> Carter has never had American interests in mind.
> >>
> >> He is directly responsible for all Islamic terrorism.
> >>
> >
> >
> > All of it? Wow. He's a lot more powerful than I thought he was. That would
> > mean he's responsible for 9/11, right? He must be an evil mastermind. I
> > wonder where he keeps his Mini-Me.
>
> He had the chance to nip it in the bud back in 1979 when the Iranians
> grabbed our embassy, but the liver-lipped puke from Plains sat on his dick
> and did nothing. When the Mad Mullahs of Tehran realized they'd now be
> dealing with Reagan, however, they let our people go.
>
 It tells me that you are an ignorant idiot! Carter sent a team of
highly trained CIA people to rescue the people in the embassy. However,
there was a tragic accident in the desert camp in which dozens of
Americans died. I bet your peabrain did not know that



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dsharavi@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ed wrote:
> > > "Mirelle"  wrote in message
> > > news:1165880927.064656.39850@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mirelle wrote:
> > The Second World War: The Zionists and Nazi collaboration
>
> Load of balls, from an anonymous author who is as full of crap as
> Mirelle the cowardly sidedodger.
>
> [flush drek]
>
> The facts are that the Palestine Arabs were snug in bed with Nazi
> Germany before and during the war, and the Arabic language translation
> of their beloved Fuhrer's Mein Kampf is still a perennial Pallie best
> seller. For those Pallies who aren't functional illiterates like
> Mirelle, of course.
>
> Deborah

MEIN KAMPF IS VERY POPULAR IN ERETZ ISRAEL ALSO. AND IS THE BEST SELLER
AMONGST THE ZIONAZI SKINHEADS OF RUSSIAN ORIGIN. JEWS BUY A RUSSIAN
VERSION OF IT IN DAHAB WHERE IT IS SOLD OUT IN HOURS. HEIL ERETZ!
>
> >Ed wrote:
> > > Well, that's precisely what Hamas and Hezbollah want, so it's a win-win!!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Frog wrote:
> "Venceremos" wrote:
>
> >-- snipped --
>
> Another holocaust denier..
NOBODY DENIES THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED, WHAT WE DENY IS THE JEWISH LIES!



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 WHAT DOES JACOBSEN CRAP TO DO WITH ANYTHING?



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dbbeeebs@yahoo.com wrote:
> torresD wrote:
> > > McCain: Beef up forces in Iraq> > BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> > BAGHDAD-
> > Sen. John McCain said today that
> > America should deploy 15,000 to
> > 30,000 more troops to Iraq to
> > control its sectarian violence.
>
> I wonder where we are going to get
> these fresh troops?  Korea?  Germany?
> 
> beebs
NO PROBLEMA, LOS MEXICANOS SOMOS BARATOS!



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Subject: Re: Bill O'Reilly on FOX slugged it out with David Duke
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david ford wrote:
> Last night I saw Bill O'Reilly on FOX verbally slugging it out with
> David Duke.
> Duke alleged that 'Jews' killed Christians en masse after the
> Bolsheviks took power.
> It's my understanding that Bolsheviks were Communists, i.e.
> atheism-adherents-- not Judaism-adherents.
> In my opinion, atheists aren't 'Jews'-- only Judaism-adherents are
> 'Jews,' in my view.
>
> Were there any Judaism-adherents in power killing others shortly after
> the Bolsheviks seized power?
> Did atheism-adherents do the mass-killings that commenced with the
> Bolshevik seizure of power?

HOW WRONG CAN YOU BE!  YOU THOUGHT THAT JUDAISM IS A RELIGION. PICK UP
THE TALMUD AND LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT IT. BETTER STILL  TAKE  A LOOK AT
THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION. JUDAISM IS SIMPLY A TERRORIST
ORGANIZATION, NOT A RELIGION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ABOUT 5% OF REAL
JEWS!

>
> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Chazan, Aaron.  1990.  _Deep In the Russian Night_ (USA:  C.I.S.
> Publishers),  243pp.  On Amazon:
> http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Russian-Night-Aron-Hazan/dp/156062034X/ref=ed_oe_p/105-8508322-0625202
> On 16-17:
> atheism-adherent 'Jews' with high government positions [in Russia?  in
> the Ukraine?] "strongly opposed Judaism, yet ironically, they gave a
> Jewish [sic] connotation to the term Communist, despite the fact that
> the masses of Jews were loyal to their religion."
> See also 19, 20.
> A hilarious exchange:  83.
>
> Prager chapter mentioned in
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141137778.349922.237830%40j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> A Prager passage in that chapter echoes a _Mein Kampf_ passage.
>
> agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
>
> Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:24 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Letter to the Senator
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Mr Martinez,
People of United States and the world have realized long time ago that
"The war On Terror" is the Fata Morgana, behind which many hundreds of
thousands of people in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places such as
Palestine and Lebanon, are getting slaughtered daily. We just do not
buy that story, anymore.

Sure, nice that Saddam, the tyrant ,is gone. It is also nice that
tyrants of the world such as Pinoche are no longer with us. But this
was not the PRIMARY OBJECT  OF THIS MISSION! The project of this
mission was to find and destroy those tons of  chemical agents, nuclear
bomb components and missiles that Saddam had! Remember? In other words,
we have been lied to Mr. Martinez!

By mentioning those "3,920 projects" in Iraq, you are simply digging
the hole deeper from which you cannot get out! The real truth is that
the only successful projects in Iraq are the palaces being built for
our CIA teams, US military bases, and very few construction projects
essential tou our military. Nothing else

Yes, Mr. Bush appointed Mr. Gates for the job. He sure did, and upon
his visit to Iraq, Mr Gates declared that "We are not winning that
war". Nor is that war nor any other war of aggression winable at all.
That is why 60 years later Israel is at war with its own citizens, and
like a bunch of fools we support that war which is also unwinable..

And Mr. Martinez please call it "The war on Error", because that is all
it really is.

We have a friend who works as a doctor in the largest hospital in
Baghdad, who told us that even the most basic needs of the patients
there are not being met.  Even that awful Saddam provided his people
with the necessities of life, and mighty United States whose duty it is
as an occupier to provide for the occupied people, cannot supply their
most basic needs.

No Mr. Martinez, we have not failed everywhere, not by any measure,
80,000 mercenaries from all over the world are making a killing,  both
financially and practically. Haliburton Corporation's stock has grown
about 3,000% ! Nine billion dollars stolen from the Iraqi people by
someone in government by someone, ours or theirs, has made some people
filthy rich. Hardly a failure that is. And last but not least, about
80,000 medium and small arms cannot be accounted for so we have made
sure that our troops keep getting killed with the arms paid for by our
own taxpayer. War on E rror?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: NUREMBERG DECLARATION
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NUREMBERG DECLARATION

on International Criminal Court

The Nuremberg War Trials marked the birth date of a new age in
international law -- the creation of an International Tribunal to try
war criminals. Mr. Robert Jackson, the Allied Forces' Chief Prosecutor,
stated on various occasions in 1945 that, "the U.S. itself will be
bound in the future by the rules they are imposing on the German war
criminals in Nuremberg today.

Fifty seven years elapsed between the Nuremberg War Trials and the
commissioning of the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague on
July 1, 2002. However, the United States, under the presidency of
George W. Bush, did not participate in the foundation of the ICC.
Instead, the Bush administration threatened the use of military forces
in the event that an American national was ever tried before the ICC>

The continued refusal of the United States government to become a party
to the ICC is an ongoing violation of the promises made at Nuremberg in
1945. The conduct exhibited by the United States over 61 years
constitutes a breach of good faith proclaimed in 1945. A breach of
faith that contravenes the moral basis for the Nuremberg War Trials of
1945 and is a lasting obstacle to the efforts of all peaceful nations
that believe in the rule of law. Americans are urged to encourage their
government to fulfill the promises made by Robert Jackson at Nuremberg
in 1945 and become a party to the ICC as soon as practicable.

Declared on the Documentation Center former Nazi Party parade grounds,
Nuremberg, Germany, Dec. 7, 2006.

There were six original signers of the declaration and it may be
available for signatures by visitors to the Nuremberg Courthouse. We
are also soliciting signatures for the Nuremberg Declaration by
professionals from various sectors, including current and/or past
affiliations. The following sectors are included:

1. Current and former members of legislatures -- national,
state/provincial/territorial, local/municipal.

2. Current and former executive government officials -- national,
state/provincial, local/municipal, tribal and territorial. (e.g.,
governors, mayors, county executives).

3. Current and former jurists -- national,
state/provincial/territorial, local/municipal.

4. Members of the Fourth Estate, the press/media, publishers, editors,
journalists.

5. Officials and faculty of educational institutions.

6. Legal professionals.

7. Members of the clergy/lay leadership.

8. Current and former members of the diplomatic corps.

9. Current and former non-governmental organization (NGO) officials

10. Current and former members of the military.

11. Current and former trade union officials.

12. Current and former business community officials.

13. Current and former intelligence agency and law enforcement
officers.

14. Members of the film, art, literature, sports, and entertainment
communities.

15. Political party officials.

Signatures can be sent to: wmreditor@waynemadsenreport.com

waynemadsendc@hotmail.com

The current plans are to collect signatures from Nuremberg and from
e-mail and present them, along with the Nuremberg Declaration, to the
relevant congressional committees with a view to persuade them to
initiate the proper legislation to ensure that the United States
becomes a full party to the International Criminal Court and agree to
hand over for prosecution those American officials who violated the
Paris Peace Pact of 1928, the UN Charter, and the Geneva Conventions.
The ICC treaty has been ratified by 104 nations, including Afghanistan,
Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Canada, Croatia, France, Germany,
Italy, Mexico, Serbia, South Africa, United Kingdom, and Venezuela.
Iraq's Transitional National Government was set to ratify the treaty
but reversed course after pressure was exerted by the United States.
The following nations are in the process of ratifying the ICC treaty:
Chile, Czech Republic, Guatemala, Japan, Nepal, Philippines, Thailand,
Turkey, Ukraine, and Yemen. Israel "de-signed" the ICC treaty at the
same time the Bush administration withdrew its signature.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: CARTER TELLS IT LIKE IT IS
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 Jimmy Carter was the only president since Eisenhower to force Israel
to give up land that it has captured and the only Democrat to face down
the American Jewish lobby. When people say that the lobby doesn't
really represent most Jews, remind them that he got only 48% of the
Jewish vote when he ran against Reagan in 1980.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: McCain: Beef up forces in Iraq
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ThomasJefferson wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1166212717.614714.94360@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > torresD wrote:
> >> > McCain: Beef up forces in Iraq> > BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> >> BAGHDAD-
> >> Sen. John McCain said today that
> >> America should deploy 15,000 to
> >> 30,000 more troops to Iraq to
> >> control its sectarian violence.
> >
> > I wonder where we are going to get
> > these fresh troops?  Korea?  Germany?
> >
> > beebs
> >
>
>
>
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't blacks and hispanics disproportionately
> more than whites in the armed forces ?
>
> Whats the big deal, our fascist government will recruit more blacks and
> hispanics to sacrifice their lives for the filthy rich white american oil
> nazis. 
> 
You got that one on the button, Tommy!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter on Jay Leno --
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Felix D. wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1166158211.157545.240040@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Felix D. wrote:
>
> >> (Carter) had the chance to nip it in the bud back in 1979 when the
> >> Iranians
> >> grabbed our embassy, but the liver-lipped puke from Plains sat on his
> >> dick
> >> and did nothing. When the Mad Mullahs of Tehran realized they'd now be
> >> dealing with Reagan, however, they let our people go.
> >>
> > It tells me that you are an ignorant idiot! Carter sent a team of
> > highly trained CIA people to rescue the people in the embassy. However,
> > there was a tragic accident in the desert camp in which dozens of
> > Americans died. I bet your peabrain did not know that
>
> You don't know shit about that operation, which was micromanaged (as usual
> for the time) from Washington. The sad thing was that people died. Even
> worse was there was no follow through, another something you'd know jack
> shit about.

Seems to me that you do not know jack shit what the fuck you are
blubbering about!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.activism,alt.politics.bush,alt.activism
Subject: Re: McCain: Beef up forces in Iraq
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Notan wrote:
> ThomasJefferson wrote:
> >
> >  wrote in message
> > news:1166212717.614714.94360@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > torresD wrote:
> > >> > McCain: Beef up forces in Iraq> > BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> > >> BAGHDAD-
> > >> Sen. John McCain said today that
> > >> America should deploy 15,000 to
> > >> 30,000 more troops to Iraq to
> > >> control its sectarian violence.
> > >
> > > I wonder where we are going to get
> > > these fresh troops?  Korea?  Germany?
> > >
> > > beebs
> > >
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't blacks and hispanics disproportionately
> > more than whites in the armed forces ?
> >
> > Whats the big deal, our fascist government will recruit more blacks and
> > hispanics to sacrifice their lives for the filthy rich white american oil
> > nazis.
>
> The minorities, among others, are enlisting, asshole.
>
> It's *their* choice.
 
POOR, DESPISED, MALIGNED PEOPLE HAVE NO CHOICES



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From: "Venceremos" 
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> Question:
> Why do you post this to alt.zen?

Good question,

The original poster probably mistook Zen to mean Zanzibar



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
>
 Cardinal is crazy. There is nothing wrong with revising and studying
anything including Christianity, which is being revised and studied in
Cardinal's own enclave, Vatican!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:29 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: FREE SAMI EL ARIAN
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Sami was imprisoned as a part of the Zionist  war against the Arab
academics. The charges against El Arian h ave been concocted by ADL. He
has been imprisoned for three years now, for absolutely nothing. Sami
supports the Palestinian jihad against the occupiers of Palestinian
land, torturers of the Palestinian people, and murderers of many
thousands of Palestinians, incarcerating El Arian is a crime against
humanity. He has done nothing to deserve even one day imprisonment!

Contrast this with the South African Jew who was caught trying to
smuggle 67 nuclear bomb triggers to Iran, in Colorado, and who was
"sentenced" to a house arrest in his Rabbi's house, and let go after 12
months.

JUSTICE?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:29 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > mcs wrote:
> > > when does a nazi write the rules? American Army took many many videos of the
> > > scene in case nazis like you would deny it in the future.
> >
> > I AM SURE THEY TOOK VIDEOS IN 1945 EVEN THOUGH VIDEO WAS INVENTED IN
> > 1955
> 
> There were never movies before 1955?

YOU SAID "VIDEOS" LIAR!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:30 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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BernardZ wrote:
> In article <1166277030.242012.164060@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >
> > Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> > > CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
> > >
> >  Cardinal is crazy. There is nothing wrong with revising and studying
> > anything including Christianity, which is being revised and studied in
> > Cardinal's own enclave, Vatican!
> >
> >
>
>
> Why not revise Islam? Its badly in need of changes.
  THAT IS BEING DONE IN EVERY MOSQUE EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME! ABOUT
TIME YOU LEARNT SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM BEFORE YOU CROAK!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:30 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: TWIST BERNARD'S BALLS HARD ENOUGH
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  AND HE WILL CONFESS THAT HE IS JACK THE RIPPER



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: MORE JEWS WERE KILLING AND TORTURING
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   PRISONERS IN NAZI CAMPS THAN THERE WERE GERMANS. THE SURVIVORS OF
THESE CAMPS ARE TORTURERS OF THEIR OWN JEWISH PEOPLE.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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 AM BEFORE YOU CROAK!
>
> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>
> Estoy de acuerdo en la idea: No hay nada malo en revisar todo,
> incluyendo cristianismo, juada=EDsmo, Islam, virginidad, liberalismo,
> etc. Hay muchos intereses en enga=F1ar a la humanidad y es bueno hacer
> una limpieza de vez en cuando.
>
> T.Sschmidt
> P.S. Igual se aplica a la vida de uno mismo. =BFCu=E1ntos no se
> benficiar=EDan si revisan las razones que lo llevaron a casarse? Estoy
> seguro que muchos cambiar=EDan de idea.

Absolutamente! Se que los muslimanos se acuerdan en su idea. Y por ese
rason, no quiremos matar los otros quienes aman la paz como nosotros



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.activism,alt.politics.bush,sci.med
Subject: Re: Inconvenient Facts on Holocaust
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Al Smith wrote:
> >>>when does a nazi write the rules? American Army took many many videos of the
> >>>> > scene in case nazis like you would deny it in the future.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I AM SURE THEY TOOK VIDEOS IN 1945 EVEN THOUGH VIDEO WAS INVENTED IN
> >>> 1955
> >
> >
> > There were never movies before 1955?
> >
>
>
> The question should be, what were they filming? And who? And
> where? And when? You can't tell these things just by watching a
> film. A horrific scene can be labeled as one thing by a narrator,
> yet be something else entirely, and it may be impossible to tell
> just from watching the film that a mistake or deliberate deception
> has occurred. Sure, there are starving people or corpses on the
> film, but under what circumstances? Which corpses? When did they
> die? How did they die? Were they killed by Nazis or did they get
> typhoid? Were they starved because the Nazis withheld food, or
> because the Allies bombed the supply lines?
>
> Just from watching a piece of film, you often cannot determine the
> facts. And only a fool would accept without question the
> circumstances that are asserted by the narrator of the film, or
> those who present the film, or even the person who claims to have
> taken the film. People lie, and make mistakes. Just because you
> are told the film shows Jews in Auschwitz on May 21, 1942, does
> not make it so. You have no real way of knowing who it shows, or when.

Jews always assume that all the suffering soccotashes are THEM!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: AL QAEDA!
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NEITHER AL QAEDA NOR OSAMA BIN LADEN EXIST TODAY. AND NEITHER OF THEM
HAS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911 OR ANY OTHER ATTACK ON UNITED STATES.
THAT IS JUST A BUNCH OF ZIONAZI LIES!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: SHARANSKY SHOLD FACE THE HANGMAN
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TOLIA SHARANSKY AND HIS COMMUNIST PAPA, SHOULD FACE A TRIAL AND GET
HUNG JUST LIKE SADDAM HUSSEIN. NOBODY WILL EVER KNOW HOW MANY
UKRAINIANS THESE TWO SCUM ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MURDERING.

TOLIA DID NOT ATTEND HALLOWED MOSCOW UNIVERSITY BECAUSE HE WAS SO
SMART, HE ATTENDED IT BECAUSE HIS POPPA WAS KGB COMMUNIST SQUANDREL

AS FOR TOLIA SHARANSKY BEING "IMPRISONED FOR ZION" THAT IS A BLOODY
LIE. THE SKUNK SPENT ELEVEN MONTHS EXILED INTO THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH HIS
WIFE,  (FOR ZION)



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: AL QAEDA!
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Chosen Ones wrote:
> That may be true, but its still fun arming the dumb stupid arabs and
> watching them kill each other....
>
ONLY A FUCKING JEW WOULD THINK THAT IT IS FUN WATCHING PEOPLE KILL EACH
OTHER. PERSONALLY I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE ARABS TWISTING YOUR BALLS,
EITHER.
>
> On 16 Dec 2006 16:49:20 -0800, "Venceremos" 
> wrote:
>
> >NEITHER AL QAEDA NOR OSAMA BIN LADEN EXIST TODAY. AND NEITHER OF THEM
> >HAS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911 OR ANY OTHER ATTACK ON UNITED STATES.
> >THAT IS JUST A BUNCH OF ZIONAZI LIES!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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g
> Ok, let's see.  So you believe all Jews should have their property
> taken away from them, and they are resettled, right?  You view this as
> a good thing, right?

The only property that Jews "own" was probably stolen from someone else



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 WHEN ZIONAZIS KILL SOMEONE THEY SQUEAL LIKE LIKE A STUCK PIG!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:39 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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getrich@1upandup.com wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > g
> > > Ok, let's see.  So you believe all Jews should have their property
> > > taken away from them, and they are resettled, right?  You view this as
> > > a good thing, right?
> >
> > The only property that Jews "own" was probably stolen from someone else
>
> Touche.
>
> So, you suggest we all round them up now and stick them somewhere,
> right?
> 
> - Rich
jEWS HAVE THEIR OWN COUNTRIES WHERE THEY WERE HATCHED



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Since when???? When your religious leader's get balls and tell those
> terrorists if they don't stop, they will be excommunicated, THEN will I
> believe what you said.

Muslims are simply defending their lands from invasion by the West,
they did not try to steal part of California. When you convince Bush
and Jew company to get the hell out of Arab lands there will be no
terror against them
>
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
> THAT IS BEING DONE IN EVERY MOSQUE EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME! ABOUT TIME
> YOU LEARNT SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM BEFORE YOU CROAK!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ex Mossad Agent tells how they get B'nai Brith to "label" people to destroy them.
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Bin''yamin wrote:
> OSTROVSKY ON ADL LABELLING PEOPLE
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXwuOAL5yEE
>
>
>
> "I had my second book. I had a record with my second book. I think my first
> book sold something around the world close to 8 million copies. My second
> book was not reviewed in any newspaper in North America. Now that's a
> record. None. No - I'm sorry. I think the guy in the Phoenix Gazette, and
> the people from B'nai Brith walked in and asked for him to resign. Yeah.
> Because he's an anti-semite."
>
>
>
> "Now I know what they do, because I used to ask them to do it. I mean, when
> I was in the Mossad, if we had a guy who gave us problems in the US, and he
> was speaking out, and he was talking like, like Pete talked once and said,
> "Israel is bombing Lebanon with cluster bomb," we'd say "Hey. Who's that
> guy?" You know. Pete Mataxi, we used to call him. Yeah! Which is Pete the
> Cockroach. 'Cause he makes a lot of noise and you can't get rid of him. So
> what you do is, you get in touch with the guy in the station in New York or
> the station in Washington and you say "Tell the guys at B'bai Brith, to
> label him." And of course the campaign starts and before you know it, they
> guy's labelled. And he's an anti-semite, because that's what we say he is.
> And that's one thing you cannot wash. "

Their "anti semite book" must be pretty thick by now!



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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 16-Dec-2006, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
>  wrote:
>
> > Because next year the Israeli's will turn Tehran into a pile
> > of radioactive rubble.
>
> And they won't stop until they force Isreal to do it, either.
> Absolutely insane.
>
> Susan
If Israel attack Iran or anybody for that matter right now, that will
be the end of it!



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> "Highly trained"?  Impossible.  Even the Israelis, who knew
> something about carrying out rescue missions, warned
> against it.  The crews of 8 helicopters were going to
> rescue more than 300 people from downtown Teheran, after
> the "Islamic Revolution" had plenty of time to get settled
> down?
>
> The Israeli rescue came about by flying planes across a
> lake border with the aid of a friendly country into a
> poorly guarded airport manned by people with little
> military skill.  Look at your geography and see what
> could be done.
>
 "ISRAELI RESCUE MISSION"???? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!   RAGTAG HEZBOLLAH
DESTROYED 47 TANKS AND KILLED 130 KIKES IN A COUPLE OF DAYS WITHOUT
USING MORE THAN A DOZEN FIGHTERS. THAT IS WHAT I CALL FIGHTERS!



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BernardZ wrote:
> In article <1166284193.676125.158490@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >    PRISONERS IN NAZI CAMPS THAN THERE WERE GERMANS. THE SURVIVORS OF
> > THESE CAMPS ARE TORTURERS OF THEIR OWN JEWISH PEOPLE.
> >
> >
>
>
> Alex we know very well that Muslims served in the SS.

YEAH CHECK OUT THE NAMES AT THE EL ALAMEIN CEMETERY IN EGYPT HUNDRED
MILES WEST OF ALEXANDRIA AND TELL ME HOW MANY MUSLIM NAMES ARE THERE
AMONGST THE GERMANS!  AND HOW MANY MUSLIM NAMES ARE THERE AMONGS THE
ALLIES!



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Joe Friday, Badge 714 wrote:
> So Cramer hates the Irish also.

Rverybody loves the Irish Paddy. Palestinians and the Irish have
suffered more than most people on Earth



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B'en wrote:
> Heidi Does Long Beach: The SPLC vs. Academic Freedom
>
> By Kevin MacDonald
>
> As you read this, Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center is
> interviewing some 40 students, faculty, and administrators at California
> State University?Long Beach, where I am a tenured Professor of Psychology,
> for an upcoming hit job on me and my research.
>
> Readers of VDARE.COM need little introduction to the SPLC or Ms. Beirich.
> Since 1971, the SPLC has built up an unsavory reputation, attracting
> criticism even from the Left for dubious fund-raising tactics, reckless
> allegations (anyone who opposes open borders is a racist) massive
> exaggerations (the Ku Klux Klan is on the verge of taking over the entire
> U.S.) and, by those who actually read its materials, for wholesale
> misrepresentation. Essentially a gang of political terrorists, well
> described by Peter Brimelow as a ?shakedown scam that preys on the elderly,
> Holocaust-haunted rich?, the SPLC is nevertheless accorded almost religious
> reverence by many in the media, academia, and government. Case in point:
> the (otherwise quite fair) student newspaper article on my case was
> headlined Civil rights group investigates professor  [by MaryJane O?Brien,
> Daily 49er, November 13 2006]. [For the Capitol Research Center's new
> expose of the SPLC, click here]
>
> The SPLC is paying me attention because it wants to suppress my academic
> work. I am interested in sociobiology, evolutionary psychology and group
> behavior. Some years ago I began to study the Jews. This resulted in three
> scholarly books and a monograph considering Judaism from a modern
> evolutionary perspective:
>
> A People that Shall Dwell Alone:Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy
> (1994)
>
> Separation and Its Discontents:Toward an Evolutionary Theory of
> Anti-Semitism (1998)
>
> The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in
> Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements (1998)
>
> Understanding Jewish Influence: Study in Ethnic Activism (2004)
>
> I have also published a number of related articles (scroll down).
>
> In this body of work I have developed the argument that Jewish activity
> collectively, throughout history, is best understood as an elaborate and
> highly successful group competitive strategy directed against neighboring
> peoples and host societies. The objective has been control of economic
> resources and political power.  One example: overwhelming Jewish support
> for non-traditional immigration, which has the effect of weakening
> America?s historic white majority. Such behavior would be viewed as
> perfectly normal from a sociobiological standpoint.
>
> Of course, I could be wrong. Demonstrating this would require logical
> argument and reinterpretation of the extensive factual evidence I have
> assembled. I have yet to see any critic of my work able to show that I was
> wrong about the theory or in my handling of the evidence. But in principle
> it might be possible.
>
> However, my critics, exemplified by the SPLC, have generally been unwilling
> to attempt this. Instead, their line has been that the subject is taboo and
> discussing it should be forbidden. Needless to say, this is not the
> intellectual tradition out of which the Enlightenment and the Scientific
> Revolution came.
>
> My experience provides a case study of these tactics. Beirich, along with
> another SPLC operative Mark Potok, recently wrote an article  listing me as
> one of the ?13 worst people in America? and ?The scariest academic?. In a
> country with around 300,000,000 people and 45,000 academics, the SPLC
> places me in some pretty rarified company.
>
> The Beirich & Potok article is a compendium of ethical lapses. It refers to
> me as having a Master?s degree, although I have held a Ph.D since 1981 and
> have been a fully tenured faculty member at Cal State Long Beach for 15
> years. The implication: I am not a fully qualified and recognized scholar.
> An academic who acknowledges not having read my work is quoted, while
> positive comments by academics who have reviewed my research in scholarly
> publications are ignored. It presents gross oversimplifications of my work
> summarizing an entire book in one sentence and leaving out important
> qualifications (e.g., although the organized Jewish community was the major
> force in pushing through the 1965 immigration law and in the establishment
> of multicultural America, I stipulate that many Jews were not involved in
> these efforts).
>
> Further, Beirich & Potok lift quotations out of context. Most outrageously,
> they claim that I "suggest[s] that colleges restrict Jewish admission and
> Jews be heavily taxed 'to counter the Jewish advantage in the possession of
> wealth.'" In fact, the passage in question discusses the possible
> consequences of a hypothetical ethnic spoils system in which individuals
> are assigned access to resources based on their percentage in the
> population. Obviously, if such a system were in place, it would
> discriminate against Jews. Merely explaining the real-world consequences of
> such a system is not the equivalent of advocating it.
>
> Personally, I am appalled that there are major organizations and movements
> in this country that advocate ethnicity-based access to resources such as
> university admissions. Behavioral science research clearly documents that
> different ethnic groups have different average talents, abilities, wealth,
> etc.  These differences can only lead to increasing levels of ethnic
> tension and competition in multicultural America. An ethnicity-based spoils
> system would be the end of the country as originally founded. It would lead
> to a hyper-Orwellian future in which each ethnic group jealously monitors
> the others to make sure it is getting its ?fair? share.
>
> I'm reminded of an earlier hatchet job by Beirich. She made a phone call to
> Human Events Editor-in-Chief Tom Winter complaining that Kevin Lamb, Human
> Events managing editor, was also the editor of The Occidental Quarterly?a
> publication that the SPLC calls ?racist? and ?white supremacist.?  (The
> fact that I have published articles in The Occidental Quarterly is a major
> part of the SPLC?s problem with me.) Lamb was gone within the hour.
>
> More recently, Beirich succeeded with another phone call in frightening the
> supposedly-conservative Leadership Institute into a last-minute refusal of
> its premises to the Robert A. Taft Club, which planned to hold a debate?a
> debate?between American Renaissance?s Jared Taylor, National Review?s John
> Derbyshire and black conservative Kevin Martin.
>
> The Taft Club is basically just a group of Washington-area kids. But no band
> of heretics is too small for the SPLC Inquisition.
>
> Ms. Beirich asked to interview me during her stay in Long Beach. Given her
> record, I was confident she would be acting in bad faith. But I offered to
> be interviewed by her?if she would answer my concerns regarding her
> previous writing about me and make them public to the CSULB community. She
> has not responded to this offer.
>
> Kevin Lamb was an ?at will? employee and really had no defense against the
> assault of Beirich and the SPLC. But the fact is that even academics with
> tenure are terrified of being called racists, anti-Semites or any other
> pejorative concocted by the left.
>
> This is ironic. Unlike politicians, who must curry favor with the public in
> order to be reelected, and unlike media figures, who have no job
> protection, tenured academics should be free from any such fears. Part of
> the job?and a large part of the rationale for tenure in the first place?is
> that they are supposed to be willing to take unpopular positions.
>
> That image of academia, however, simply and sadly has no basis in reality.
> Consider, for example, an article appearing almost two months after the
> publication of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt?s famous essay on the
> Israel Lobby and appropriately titled ? A hot paper muzzles Harvard.?  [by
> Eve Fairbanks, The Los Angeles Times, May 14 2006]:
>
> ?Instead of a roiling debate, most professors not only agreed to disagree
> but agreed to pretend publicly that there was no disagreement at all. At
> Harvard and other schools, the Mearsheimer-Walt paper proved simply too hot
> to handle ? and it revealed an academia deeply split yet lamentably afraid
> to engage itself on one of the hottest political issues of our time. Call
> it the academic Cold War: distrustful factions rendered timid by the
> prospect of mutually assured career destruction.?
>
> Continued At:
> http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/061114_splc.htm

Alfred M Lilienthal, who is a Jew, and a proud American, a man who has
served United States as a soldier, a diplomat, and a scholar of high
repute, has been maligned, insulted, threatened and banned by the
Zionist crowd for decades. I highly recomend his books to anyone, both
on the subject of the "Holocaust", and on the subject of the ZioNazi
enclave



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ron Jacobson wrote:
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/geno-s07.shtml
>
>    
>
>    Between 1824 and 1908 approximately 10,000 Aborigines were murdered
> in the Colony of Queensland. "Considered 'wild animals', 'vermin', 'scarcely
> human', 'hideous to humanity', 'loathsome' and a 'nuisance', they were fair
> game for white 'sportsmen'."

YOU FILTHY ZIONAZI SCUM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FUCKING "DEMOCRATIC"
ENCLAVE TORTURING PEOPLE TO DEATH.

HAVING LIVED IN CHARLEVILLE QUEENSLAND, AND KNOWN MANY ABORIGINAL
TRIBES, AND PERSONS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT AUSTRALIANS TREAT ABORIGINALS
WAY BETTER THAN ZIO FASCISTS TREAT PALESTINIANS



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B'en wrote:
> Israel accused
>
> Winner of the Amnesty International Award 2001
> This programme was first broadcast on Saturday 4th November 2000. The
> feature below accompanied the original broadcast.
> ********************
> Khiam prison was a detention and interrogation centre during the years of
> the Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon. From 1985 until the Israeli
> withdrawal this May, thousands of Lebanese were held in Khiam without trial.
> Most of them were brutally tortured - some of them died.
> Israel has always sought to escape responsibility for what was done in
> Khiam; Israel Accused asks where the blame for what Amnesty International
> calls "war crimes" really lies.
>
> To help secure its hold on Southern Lebanon, Israel armed and financed a
> local Lebanese militia, the South Lebanon Army or SLA. In theory the SLA was
> there to protect the interests of the Lebanese community - in practice it
> did Israel's work by proxy. The SLA provided Khiam's guards and
> interrogators.
> Children tortured
>
> Ali two weeks before he was taken to Khiam
> Ali Kashmar was 14 when arrested and detained in 1988. Although he had
> voiced anti-Israeli opinions in school (his own father was killed fighting
> the Israeli invasion ten years earlier) there is no evidence to suggest that
> he was guilty of any crime.
> Ali was tortured for 11 days and says he started making up stories to please
> his interrogators. Ali Kashmar was kept in Khiam for ten years. He grew up
> from a boy to a man within the prison walls - without even a mirror to use
> as his appearance changed, and spent time in solitary confinement.
>
> Ali Kashmar grew up from a boy to a man within the prison walls
>
>
> Edward Stourton
> Ali was eventually released after a decade as part of a hostage exchange -
> 55 Khiam prisoners and the bodies of 44 Lebanese were traded for the remains
> of three Israeli soliders in 1998. Terribly damaged by his years in Khiam,
> he is still fighting severe psychological difficulties - and there is
> nowhere in Lebanon that provides treatment for this kind of trauma.
> Ryadh Kalakesh was 17 when he was detained in Khiam. He comes from a family
> that was deeply involved with the Islamic group Hezbollah - one of his
> brothers was a suicide bomber - and he was picked up by Israeli troops on a
> sweep through his village in 1986.
>
> electric shocks were administered through wires attached to the finger tips
> or the genitals...
>
>
> Ryadh Kalakesh
> Ryadh was tortured for 11 months, and gives a graphic account of what it was
> like; the use of electric shocks administered through wires attached to the
> finger tips or the genitals, the beatings, the dousings with hot then cold
> water, and what was known as "the pole", where prisoners - often after being
> striped naked - were handcuffed and suspended for hours at a time.
> Ryadh's brother Adel was detained in Khiam too; when Adel refused to tell
> the interrogators what they wanted to hear they hauled in his wife Mona and
> tortured her so that he could hear her screams. Mona suffered electric
> shocks - through wires attached to her nipples - spent three months in
> solitary confinement and lost her baby while she was in the prison.
>
> Khiam prison today
> There is a compelling body of evidence about Israel's involvement in Khiam.
> Former detainees all say that in the early days of Khiam's time as a
> detention centre Israeli interrogators worked alongside their SLA
> counterparts, and their evidence is corroborated by that of those guards who
> worked in the prison.
> In 1988 the Israelis seem to have decided on a change of policy in Khiam,
> and the Israeli presence in the gaol became less obvious. But in a court
> case brought by Israeli human rights lawyers, the Defence Ministry has
> admitted paying all the staff at the gaol, training the interrogators and
> guards, and providing assistance with lie detector tests.
> Israel denied war crimes in Khiam
>
> Tanious Nafra, a gaurd in Khiam 1985-1987
> In May, when Israel withdrew from Lebanon, many of Khiam's guards and
> interrogators fled across the border among the 6000 members of the SLA and
> their families who took refuge in Israel, living under Israeli government
> protection at the expense of the Israeli taxpayer.
> No one from the Israeli government was willing to agree to an interview.
> When pressed to admit Israeli responsibility for the gaol, a man who
> commanded Israeli forces during the late 1980s finally concedes, "maybe".
> Broadcast in the midst of one of the gravest Middle East crises of the past
> decade, Israel Accused is a timely reminder that there is still unfinished
> business from Israel's recent past.
> This week, military prosecutor, Riad Talih demanded the death penalty for 11
> former SLA officials who worked at the Khiam camp, and who will be tried in
> absentia.
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/1002463.stm

Just to add to that; Most of the Soviet era torturers who were Jews,
majority of them also found a safe haven in the ZioNazi enclave.
INCLUDING TOLIA SHARANSKY, whose father was a Bolshevik propagandist
and KGB agent!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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The ZioNazi filth that came out of the Soviet union, to persecute
Palestinians in Palestine.

Both Tolia and his poppa were the Bolshevik propagandists and KGB
agennts.

Footnote:  George Bush is awarding the skunk the highest medal of the
United States on Friday



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Bugman wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1166346856.048318.147570@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > OWN COUNTRIES WHERE THEY WERE HATCHED
> >
>
> This one can't even figure out a capslock.

IF YOU KNEW HOW TO SPELL, ARSEHOLE, YOU MIGHT GET A JOB SWEEPING THE
URINALS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Tilly wrote:
> The Holocaust-denial theories aired last week in Iran were denounced Friday
> from an unexpected source - in a statement released by sheikhs of the
> Islamic Movement in Israel. Simultaneously, Religious Zionist rabbis issued
> a statement denouncing damage done to the Muslim cemetery in the center of
> Jerusalem in the construction of the Museum of Tolerance.
>
> Both statements came out of a conference of Kedem, an organization of
> Jewish, Christian and Muslim clergy. The leaders of Kedem, which operates in
> the framework of the Interreligious Coordinating Council in Israel (ICCI),
> say cooperation in the organization cam be a model to solve the
> Israeli-Palestinian conflict....Contd
>
>
> Refer: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/801794.html
> mail.com
"MUSEUM OF TOLERANCE" YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!  ZIONAZIS DO NOT EVEN
TOLERATE EACH OTHER EQUALLY, LET ALONE THE PALESTINIANS



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markzoom@digiverse.net wrote:
> BernardZ wrote:
> > In article <1166346765.870718.209160@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> > >
> > >  WHEN ZIONAZIS KILL SOMEONE THEY SQUEAL LIKE LIKE A STUCK PIG!
> > >
> >
> > Islamfasicts are not Zionist, Alex. When Islamfasicts kill they dance in
> > the street.
>
> On 911 Isrealis danced watching it burn.
>
Only one Israeli died on 9/11, even though thousands work there, and
that was the one who was visiting. Israeli company who rented there,
moved out less than two weeks before 911. Tells you something about
their participation in 911



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zr wrote:
> In Muslim countries most toilets are holes with no seats. You have to lift
> your jilaba and spread your legs. Difficult to say the least without
> shitting or urinating on your cloths.

How dumb can you get! You have never been to Greece, Bulgari, R omania
or Sicily



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:47 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: TOLIA SHARANSKY, THE  FILTHY BOLSHEVIK BEAST
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Got awarded a medal by Bush. Same medal that nelson Mandela got.

This communist scum Sharansky and his poppa are KGB agents and long
time communist aparatchiks and should be kept out of any country, which
despises bolshevism!

And Nerlson Mandel should throw the medal into Bush's face



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: CARTER TELLS IT LIKE IT IS
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Former President Jimmy Carter simply atated the facts in his book on
Israel and Palestine. Just because Israel and its apologists do not
like the truth, changes nothing. They can go on intimidating till Hell
freezes over, and yet nothing w ill change. What Israel and its
lackey's desire above all, is a license to kill Arabs. I am afraid
that's just not available.

To speak of Holocaust deniers, and allow for the truth of the Armenian
genocide and the Abyssinian genocide to be relegated to the back pages
of history has bee n the goal of the Zionist movement. Because they
have felt that these two issues which predate the Holocaust would rain
on their parade. Thus, Israel and Jewish writers will never allow the
fact to be known on the two earlier genocides. And so, it matters not
to Jews, of how many Christians died by Turkish hands or how Christians
dies at Italian hands, just as long as it was not Jews.



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Subject: Re: Just Remember Who is killing in Tens of Countries
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mcs wrote:
> all this anti jew stuff would be the exact same in Nazi Germany. The
> insecure , unfortunately the US has imported many of these people on this
> board.
> The real guts of the matter is these people think by putting down jews they
> bolster their cause. What it does show is Arabs unable to get past hate when
> dealing with Israel. They claim its a political issue yet rile against jews
> all they can which shows the peace theory is really not about that. These
> people live in the mode that people are different based on hate. They use
> one person to make blanket statements based on insecurity about religion.
> The thing is today we have a different type of person yelling this , I
> believe but can't be sure. They are new immigrants to our country..

Arabs least of all people hate Jews. Arabs have shared this Earth and
broken bread with Jews much longer than any people in the world.

Do you have any idea what you are blubbering about/

W hat Arabs hate is what ZioNazis are doing to Palestinians,
slaughtering 400 of them in the last 4 months alone, mostly women and
children. If ZioNazis were doing that to you ,you  would hate ZioNazis,
too!



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 Israeli 9/11 Hijacker Believed Planes Were Being Landed By Remote
Control
By: www.govsux.com on: 18.12.2006 [01:09 ] (77 reads)
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"Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Dont try to make
any stupid moves."

Perhaps the Israeli was well aware that he was on a suicide mission,
and only announced to the passengers that "we are returning to the
airport" to keep them from interfering in the unfolding events.
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The Flight 11 hijacker was not Atta. Listen to this distinct Israeli
voice:

"We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay. We are
returning to the airport."

Seconds later: "Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to
make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay
quiet."

Ten minutes after that: "Nobody move please. We are going back to the
airport. Dont try to make any stupid moves."

The hijacker speaks as if he is facing the passengers and threatening
them with a weapon, telling them not to make stupid moves. Who is
flying the plane?

This man thinks that several airplanes are being "landed." This is
exactly what neocon Zakheim's remote control gadget (or here and here
too) is supposed to do with hijacked airplanes: land them safely
against the hijackers' will.

The Israeli hijacker may be counter-terror agent/passenger Daniel Lewin
or another Israeli who snuck on board with a forged/stolen Arab ID.

He probably did not know that Israeli "art students" (signal &
demolition experts) on the ground were steering the planes into
buildings.

Several Israelis have confirmed that the hijacker's voice is Israeli.
The official claim that it is the Egyptian Atta is false. Egyptians who
learn English in high school like Atta would have a specific accent and
a lively flow (with added vowels like Italian). Also, Atta cannot have
a German/Yiddish "r" sound. The hijacker does.

The Hijacker of Flight 11 was an Israeli who believed that he was being
landed safely. He was watching the frightened passengers and telling
them to "please" calm down.

For the glory of Israel. If not Lewin, another Israeli, or an Israeli
art student's voice from the ground.

After the landing, he would escape prosecution as usual. The Israeli
security company ICTS would swear that he was not a hijacker.

The hijacker is an Israeli, I heard it so many times. I have no doubt
about it. Not an Arab, an Israeli. Positive.

Link



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: MORAL BUNKRUPTCY OF ZIONAZISM
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A young Israeli was in Canada last week raising ethical questions about
the conduct of Israeli soldiers in the Occupied Territories.

Yehuda Shaul was born in Jerusalem to an American mother and Canadian
father (from Toronto). Shaul went to school in a West Bank settlement
and served in the army from 2001 to 2004. He did a 14-month stint in
Hebron, guarding about 650 settlers living among approximately 150,000
Palestinians.

He is one of the founders of Break the Silence, a group of ex-soldiers
speaking out about what they saw and did during their tour of duty in
the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

At 6-foot 1-inch, the heavy-set Shaul cuts an imposing but engaging
figure with his beard, ponytail and the kippa. He smiles easily.

He had a lot to say during a vegetarian kosher lunch we shared in my
office with his Toronto host, Judith Wiseman.

He came here after a tour of six American cities. In Toronto, he spoke
at the Winchevsky Centre of the United Jewish People's Order and at the
Quaker House. Then he was off to London, Ottawa and Montreal.

He recounted the moment when, three months before being released from
the army, he was alone and wondering what he would do upon returning to
civilian life.

It struck him, he said, that he had become "a monster," doing things
that were not right. "It was a frightening moment."

He spoke to fellow soldiers. "They were feeling the same: `Something's
rotten here.' Israelis don't know what goes on here, and we must tell
them.'"

Within three months of being discharged in March 2004, Shaul and
friends mounted an exhibit, Bringing Hebron to Tel Aviv. It had
powerful photos and video testimony by 64 soldiers showing and
describing the treatment meted out to Palestinians by the troops as
well as some of the settlers.

There were pictures of Palestinians bound and blindfolded. There was a
photo of a settler carrying an assault rifle with a decal on the
magazine clip: "Kill 'em all, Let God sort 'em out." Another was of
graffiti on a wall: "Arabs to the gas chamber."

The exhibit drew 7,000 visitors and much media coverage.

Other soldiers who had served in the West Bank and Gaza came forward.
More photos were gathered, as well as about 400 audio and video
testimonies.

In them, soldiers talk about the total power of the occupiers over the
occupied - throwing Palestinians out of their homes; making them
stand for hours for disobeying the curfew or trying to bypass a
checkpoint or even smiling or arguing at the wrong time, Shaul said.

"We can play with them. This is the mindset from which everything
flows."

In Hebron, Shaul manned a machine gun. "It can shoot dozens of grenades
a minute up to a distance of about 2,000 metres. We'd shoot 40 or 50 a
day ...

"We had three high posts, two where we had kicked the Palestinian
families out of and the third was a Palestinian school which we had
closed down.

"The idea was that anytime they shoot, we shoot back.

"But the machine gun is not an accurate weapon. You just shoot in the
direction of the target ... We have no idea how many we killed. I hope
no one."

Shaul said some acts "flow from being afraid or being bored. You are
there eight hours a night at the post. You just aim and shoot the water
tank."

Or, "when you drive your tank or your APC (armoured personnel carrier),
you bump into a streetlight. As you turn a corner, you bump into a
wall. It's fun ... It's all about you. Nothing else matters ...
Palestinians are no longer human."

Initially, Break the Silence members did not speak to foreigners, to
avoid "airing our dirty laundry." But they have since changed their
policy.

Two members toured the United States last year. Two exhibitions have
been held in Geneva and Amsterdam.

The group (http://www.shovrimshtika.org and
http://www.breakthesilence.org.il) exists to break two kinds of
silences: "First, the soldiers keep quiet and, then Israeli society
keeps quiet.

"We provide the tools for people to understand the deeply woven moral
corruption and numbness of what we do (in the Occupied Territories).
It's like a slide; once you start going down, you keep going down.

"There's no such thing as a benign or an enlightened occupation. You
can't be an occupier and not be an occupier."

Shaul's overall message:

"The issue is not the right of Israel to exist but rather, does it have
the right to occupy Palestinian lands and control civilians as it has
for 40 years?"

Shaul said he has been well-received in North America, even though some
did criticize him.

But, "you can't really criticize me because I am an Israeli who has
served in the army."

He's much more: a courageous citizen of Israeli democracy.

Haroon Siddiqui, the Star's editorial page editor emeritus, appears
Thursday and Sunday. hsiddiq@thestar.ca.

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Israeli 9/11 Hijacker Believed Planes Were Being Landed By Remote
Control
By: www.govsux.com on: 18.12.2006 [01:09 ] (156 reads)
Article image
"Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Dont try to make
any stupid moves."

Perhaps the Israeli was well aware that he was on a suicide mission,
and only announced to the passengers that "we are returning to the
airport" to keep them from interfering in the unfolding events.
(2597 bytes) [c] 	Print
The Flight 11 hijacker was not Atta. Listen to this distinct Israeli
voice:

"We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay. We are
returning to the airport."

Seconds later: "Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to
make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay
quiet."

Ten minutes after that: "Nobody move please. We are going back to the
airport. Dont try to make any stupid moves."

The hijacker speaks as if he is facing the passengers and threatening
them with a weapon, telling them not to make stupid moves. Who is
flying the plane?

This man thinks that several airplanes are being "landed." This is
exactly what neocon Zakheim's remote control gadget (or here and here
too) is supposed to do with hijacked airplanes: land them safely
against the hijackers' will.

The Israeli hijacker may be counter-terror agent/passenger Daniel Lewin
or another Israeli who snuck on board with a forged/stolen Arab ID.

He probably did not know that Israeli "art students" (signal &
demolition experts) on the ground were steering the planes into
buildings.

Several Israelis have confirmed that the hijacker's voice is Israeli.
The official claim that it is the Egyptian Atta is false. Egyptians who
learn English in high school like Atta would have a specific accent and
a lively flow (with added vowels like Italian). Also, Atta cannot have
a German/Yiddish "r" sound. The hijacker does.

The Hijacker of Flight 11 was an Israeli who believed that he was being
landed safely. He was watching the frightened passengers and telling
them to "please" calm down.

For the glory of Israel. If not Lewin, another Israeli, or an Israeli
art student's voice from the ground.

After the landing, he would escape prosecution as usual. The Israeli
security company ICTS would swear that he was not a hijacker.

The hijacker is an Israeli, I heard it so many times. I have no doubt
about it. Not an Arab, an Israeli. Positive.

Link



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: 911-ZIONAZI JOB
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CONSIDERING THAT JEWS DID 911 I THINK SHE IS INSANE
Israeli 9/11 Hijacker Believed Planes Were Being Landed By Remote
Control
By: www.govsux.com on: 18.12.2006 [01:09 ] (156 reads)
Article image
"Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Dont try to make
any stupid moves."

Perhaps the Israeli was well aware that he was on a suicide mission,
and only announced to the passengers that "we are returning to the
airport" to keep them from interfering in the unfolding events.
(2597 bytes) [c] 	Print
The Flight 11 hijacker was not Atta. Listen to this distinct Israeli
voice:

"We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay. We are
returning to the airport."

Seconds later: "Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to
make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay
quiet."

Ten minutes after that: "Nobody move please. We are going back to the
airport. Dont try to make any stupid moves."

The hijacker speaks as if he is facing the passengers and threatening
them with a weapon, telling them not to make stupid moves. Who is
flying the plane?

This man thinks that several airplanes are being "landed." This is
exactly what neocon Zakheim's remote control gadget (or here and here
too) is supposed to do with hijacked airplanes: land them safely
against the hijackers' will.

The Israeli hijacker may be counter-terror agent/passenger Daniel Lewin
or another Israeli who snuck on board with a forged/stolen Arab ID.

He probably did not know that Israeli "art students" (signal &
demolition experts) on the ground were steering the planes into
buildings.

Several Israelis have confirmed that the hijacker's voice is Israeli.
The official claim that it is the Egyptian Atta is false. Egyptians who
learn English in high school like Atta would have a specific accent and
a lively flow (with added vowels like Italian). Also, Atta cannot have
a German/Yiddish "r" sound. The hijacker does.

The Hijacker of Flight 11 was an Israeli who believed that he was being
landed safely. He was watching the frightened passengers and telling
them to "please" calm down.

For the glory of Israel. If not Lewin, another Israeli, or an Israeli
art student's voice from the ground.

After the landing, he would escape prosecution as usual. The Israeli
security company ICTS would swear that he was not a hijacker.

The hijacker is an Israeli, I heard it so many times. I have no doubt
about it. Not an Arab, an Israeli. Positive.

Link



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Israel ambulance helping Lebanese was Re: 911 WAS EXECUTED BY A JEW
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BernardZ wrote:
> The Israeli are not charging the arabs for ambulance help.

WOW , THAT IS SOMETHING! YOU FIRST SHOOT ARABS AND THEN YOU EXPECT THEM
TO PAY FOR THE AMBULANCE!z NUTS?



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Subject: Re: AL QAEDA!
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Then WHY have they admitted they did?

"admitted" WHO? WHEN?   You are probably thinking of the manufactured
video, which is a very crude deception by Mossad, and has been
discredited many times
>
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
> NEITHER AL QAEDA NOR OSAMA BIN LADEN EXIST TODAY. AND NEITHER OF THEM
> HAS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 911 OR ANY OTHER ATTACK ON UNITED STATES.
> THAT IS JUST A BUNCH OF ZIONAZI LIES!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:55 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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 One of these days the son of a whore will make a mistake and step into
Ukraine!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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>    The Nazis THEMSELVES estimated that there were eleven million Jews
> in Europe.
>
>
>  Michael
The world Almach estimated that there were 11 million of them in the
WHOLE WORLD!

Do not forget that USA, UK, and Russia were not under Nazi occupation,
plus dozens of other countries, including Italy whose Jews were not
deported.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Yeah, By killing many innocent people and making threats. People have a
> right to be whatever religion they wish to be, Why is it that when
> someone leaves that religion, its a death sentence or them?????

You must be thinking about the ZioNazis, that is the only place I know
where muslims are singled out for discrimination, torture and murder.

Nobody killed more innocent people than George Bush and his ZioNazi
allies!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > >    The Nazis THEMSELVES estimated that there were eleven million Jews
> > > in Europe.
> > >
> > >
> > >  Michael
> > The world Almach estimated that there were 11 million of them in the
> > WHOLE WORLD!
> >
> > Do not forget that USA, UK, and Russia were not under Nazi occupation,
> > plus dozens of other countries, including Italy whose Jews were not
> > deported.
>
> So how accurate is this world almanac? Did they do a census?

The World Almanach is a reference Jews themselves use in order to find
out that there are lots more Palestinians in the occupied Palestine,
then there are Jews!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 18-Dec-2006, BernardZ  wrote:
>
> > In article <1166388648.319154.47780@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
> > > Only one Israeli died on 9/11,
>
> This is a lie.
>
> > > even though thousands work there,
>
> This is a lie
>
> > > and
> > > that was the one who was visiting.
>
> This is a lie
>
> > > Israeli company who rented there,
> > > moved out less than two weeks before 911.
>
> This is alie.
>
> > >Tells you something about
> > > their participation in 911
> > >
> And so this is obviously a lie, too.
> > >
> >
> > No one from Iceland died. So by your logic it was Iceland that did it.
> >
> > Don't you wish that was true Alex, then the reality it was Muslims
> > mainly from Saudi Arabia.
>
> WhHy do you think he keeps coming up with these lies?
>
> Susan

THEY ARE NOT LIES LASSIE, THEY ARE THE TRUTH YOU HATE TO KNOW, IF YOU
WANT THE DETAILS AND REFERENCES TO THE ABOVE CLAIMS,  COMING UP!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:58:58 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Why they deny the Holocaust
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NOBODY DENIES THE HOLOCAUST. PEOPLE QUESTION THE jEWISH BULLSHIT PART
OF IT.

Jews did not get yellow stars pinned on them, alone. Nazis identified
many minority groups by various green triangles, yellow triangles, red
circles etc. But the only thing you hear about are about yellow stars
pinned on Jews. These "badges" of honor were pinned on the indicated
minorities, while they still lived and worked in their towns once they
were shipped to the camps.

All this resembles the treatment that ZioNazis mete out to Palestinians
nowdays. Special license plates, special color coded driving permits,
special roads that only Jews can use etc.

Same shit different Nazi



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Salah Jafar wrote:
> Israel Launches Indonesian Website
>       Aljazeera.net - 18/12/2006
>
>
>
> Israel's foreign ministry has launched a website in Bahasa Indonesia, the
> Indonesian language.
>
> It says the site, unveiled on Monday, is an effort to promote dialogue with
> citizens of the world's most populous Muslim nation and fight misconceptions
> about Jews and Israel in the Muslim world.
>
> "Although we are living in the information age, there is a lack of basic
> information about Israel in the Muslim world," Ilan Ben Dov, Israel's
> ambassador to Singapore, said in a statement about the launch of the
> website.
>
> "Following talks that I have conducted with Indonesians from all walks of
> life, I have learnt that there exists a great thirst for knowledge about
> Israel..." he added.
>
> Indonesia and Malaysia, Southeast Asia's two largest predominantly Muslim
> nations, do not have diplomatic relations with Israel.
>
> Ben Dov has previously said Israel would like a dialogue with Indonesia and
> Malaysia in order to work together on problems in the Middle East.

Maybe some of the kikes are on the right track. Muslims have been
kinder to jews than anybody else



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From: "Venceremos" 
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HOLOCULT IS DEAD!
Iranian Revolution ends Holocult
The Iranians may not even be aware of it, but their hosting of the
recent Holocaust conference may prove to be the most important
milestone in their history since the Islamic Revolution under Khomeini.
Western politicians and media certainly grasped the significance of the
event, with Germany's premier Merkel standing shoulder to shoulder with
prime minister Olmert of the "only-democracy-in-the-middle-east-
that-is-not-a-democracy" - the apartheid state of Israel - and with BBC
television news presenting the bizarre spectacle of discussing, rather
than reporting on, an alleged anti-Semitic conference whilst the images
in the background showed traditionally clad Orthodox Jews happily in
attendance.

When the Islam-hating Western media attacked the prophet Muhammad under
the pretence of freedom of speech, Iran retaliated by testing the
limits of those freedoms with its own holocaust cartoon competition. In
doing so they stumbled across the most jealously guarded dogma of
secular Western society, the Holocult.

Whereas questioning and reviling religious beliefs is almost a
cornerstone underpinning the mindset of those societies, even genuine
historical research into the subject of a subsection of the 60 million
who died in the second world war is prohibited and most certainly leads
to being ostracised in public: The suffering of the Jews may not be
questioned since "if it were to be proven that "The Holocaust" has, in
fact, been stage-managed for political reasons in order to promote
Israeli interests, then the State of Israel and the United States as
public players, and the global Zionist organizations as private
lobbying entities would have to accept their share of responsibility
for the damage, suffering and hardship they have wrought upon the
Middle East and the world and, accordingly, they should be held
accountable."

The latter is a quote from communiqu=E9 no. 16 of Argentina's growing
opposition movement MSRA or Argentine Second Republic Movement, who
intend to host a Holocaust conference of their own in order to examine
how the Holocaust has been used propagandistically for political ends
following the end of World War II.

Rather than a one-off event, the Tehran conference is the beginning of
the unravelling of the special status that Israel and Zionist Jews
enjoy in the world justified by their special suffering at the hands of
the Germans. The issue is not whether Jews suffered during World War II
but that this suffering has been exploited since in what Finkelstein
called the "Holocaust industry".

For the last half century, only Jews and retired politicians, the
latter in their memoirs, were permitted to voice criticism of Israel
and the Zionist lobby. Meanwhile, with some historical distance, many
more people are demanding to have a say in the matter, although others,
like the Muslim American Society (MAS) Freedom Foundation feel the need
to curry favour by stating "True Muslims must never deny the Holocaust"
and in the words of Ibrahim Ramey, the Director of their Human and
Civil Rights Division:

"The evidence of this crime, and the horrible magnitude of this
killing, is irrefutable. From sources as varied as Nazi war records,
film documentation, and most importantly, the testimony of survivors
and witnesses, we know that the mass murder of European Jews was,
indeed, the single greatest crime of genocide in the twentieth
century."

- whereas the communiqu=E9 from Argentina questions why, if World War II
cost more than 60 million lives in Europe and Asia. mankind's attention
is almost solely focused on the suffering of 10% of those victims and
millions have been added since then "including almost 2 million Iraqis
killed by the Bush Family and their Associates since the First Gulf War
in 1991 to date".

Recognising that the label of unique suffering can no longer be worn
unchallenged, researchers who questioned certain aspects of the
official holocaust story were convicted in political show trials as a
warning to others: in France Robert Faurisson or Roger Garaudy, the
latter for his substantive book The Founding Myths of Zionism, in
Austria David Irving, in Australia Fredrick Toeben, in Germany Germar
Rudolf and Ernst Zundel. But with Iran state-sponsoring a conference on
the subject and inviting eminent Rabbis to attend, all this effort has
come to naught. The topic will not go away and awkward questions are
going to be asked.

As a gentile European I may not ask these questions without penalty,
but Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedman, chief Rabbi of the Orthodox
anti-Zionist Jewish Community in Vienna, Austria, did not prostrate
before the God of Zion and did not hesitate to attend the Tehran
conference decried by the Muslim American Society as immoral and
motivated by racial hatred.

In his address to the conference he stated that the founder of the
Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already spoke in his first diaries of a number
of six million Jews who were allegedly threatened in Europe and that,
according to Herzl, the so-called Jewish state would only have a chance
if there was a disaster for these six million European Jews, as well as
that the Bolshevists and the British government already used the six
million figure in their war propaganda against Germany during the first
world war.

He further talked about the collaboration between the Nazis and the
Zionists, and added that he was sure that the last word about the real
or actual number of the victims had not yet been spoken, mentioning
that in 1990 the number originally specified of four million victims of
Auschwitz had been reduced to approximately 900,000 to 1.1 million
whilst the six million figure remained unchallenged.

Now to be consistent, Austrian prosecutors would have to charge the
Vienna Chief Rabbi with Holocaust denial, but such a trial would
further dent the credibility of the laws protecting the official
version of events as well as that of the Shoah story itself, repeatedly
embellished by Hollywood productions. It is, therefore, highly
unlikely, that the Rabbi will be dragged before a court to answer on
charges of anti-Semitism.

Meanwhile there are two strands to the unofficial debate about the
holocaust: on the one hand historians demand that this episode of
history must not be barred from proper scientific scrutiny in order to
separate myth from reality. Guiseppe Furioso, for example, asks why
there is no documentary evidence of the gassings nor any mention of it
in Churchill's memoirs or by any other political figures of the time.

The other, and more potent, strand is the questioning of the Pax
Americana or victor's justice established with the Nuremberg Trials and
the propagandistic exploitation of Jewish suffering for imperial ends.

Just as president Ahmedinejad of Iran convincingly argues that if the
Germans tried to exterminate the Jews then they should be responsible
for resettling them in their own country rather than making the
Palestinians pay the price, others, like the Argentineans, point out
that powers like Israel who stole Palestinian land and the United
States of America who stole Native Indian land have not moral authority
to play world policemen in the name of the International Community.

The tide is changing and the Argentinean press release points to the
fact that its effect is not lost on the pro-Zionist camp:
"Interestingly", it says, "the Zionist pro-Israeli mainstream media
implicitly admits that any such investigation poses a grave danger to
Zionism. Amidst all the insults and threats from such newspapers like
the Los Angeles Times, in their 13-Dec-06 issue however, they ran an
article called Holocaust denial can be dangerous" which concludes by
saying that, "...attacking the legitimacy of the Holocaust
allows....(attacking) the legitimacy of Israel, which was created by
the United Nations as a result of the Holocaust. If the first act
didn't happen, then the second act wasn't necessary."

In a way this let the cat out of the bag. Israel's days are numbered if
the last great "religious" taboo of not discussing the true facts and
dimensions of the holocaust is broken, and with the dollar in
accelerating decline and US marines taking a beating in Iraq, Iran -
threatened with a pre-emptive strike by the United States for alleged
nuclear weapons of mass destruction - seems to have successfully
managed to cut the Achilles heel of the current Anglo-Zionist world
order.


http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/270



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:01 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
>
> Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Yeah, By killing many innocent people and making threats. People have a
> right to be whatever religion they wish to be, Why is it that when
> someone leaves that religion, its a death sentence or them?????
>
> You must be thinking about the ZioNazis, that is the only place I know
> where muslims are singled out for discrimination, torture and murder.
> Nobody killed more innocent people than George Bush and his ZioNazi
> allies!
>
> In India, if you are Muslim and convert to Christianity, You might as
> well leave the country because it is a death sentence, Also in MANY
> Muslim countries!

What is your point? Same goes for Christians. I know a young Jehovah
Christian lady who converted to Islam, whose parents won't even notice
her as she walks by. That is worse than
death for a young woman. I know a Jewish women bus driver, who
converted to Islam. Jews refuse to ride in her bus!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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NOBODY HAS KILLED AND  TORTURED MORE PEOPLE IN THIS CENTURY THAN GEORGE
BUSH AND HIS ZIONAZI BUDDIES.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:01 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: MUSLIM REACTION PROVES POPE'S POINT (Muslims ARENT Violent???????)
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> September 18, 2006
>
> MUSLIM REACTION PROVES POPE'S POINT
>
> Catholic League president Bill Donohue addressed today the Muslim
> reaction to Pope Benedict XVI's speech at Regensburg University:
>
> "One of the points that the pope made in his speech at Regensburg
> University was the necessity of linking faith to reason.

Now that is what i call REASONING! Inquisition has proved this to be
absolutely true!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: DEATH FOR CHRISTIAN CONVERT? (Not Violent Huh?)
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> March 22, 2006
>
> DEATH FOR CHRISTIAN CONVERT?
>
> Abdul Rahman, an Afghan man who converted to Christianity 16 years ago,
> is on trial in Afghanistan because he abandoned Islam.

DO NOT LIE! THE MENTAL CASE HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN SOME
MONTHS AGO, YOU COULD MARRY HIM MICHELLE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CRECHES ON PUBLIC PROPERTY ARE LEGAL
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> December 18, 2006
>
> CRECHES ON PUBLIC PROPERTY ARE LEGAL
>
> Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on the display of
> cr=E8ches on public property:
>
 SO FAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU CAN PUT YOUR IDOLS WHEREVER YOU WANT
IT IS FUNNY TO SAY THE LEAST



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CARDINAL CONDEMNS REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST
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 NOBODY HAS TORTURED AND SLAUGHTERED MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE THAN UNITED
STATES HAS, HELPED BY KIKES!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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J
> Now that is just plain stupid. Not that I'd expect anything more from
> you Alex. Rant away. You demonstrate just how morally and
> intellectually bankrupt you racist assholes are.

IDIOT! I LIVED THROUGH THE HOLOFUCKS YOU DID NOT!  YOU ARE ALSO LAZY
AND STUPID TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT IT!



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 Fucking idiot: If mighty Israeli Defecation Fiends could not disarm
Hezbollah, how can a skinny old man like Sinora do it?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa
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BernardZ wrote:
> Alex the Muslims used to drag Christians out of the car and shoot them.
 
They learnt it from Israeli Defecation Fiends



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Your towel must be too tight! Wanna loosen it?

I can loosen my towel if you can tighten up your pussy!
>
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
> SO FAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU CAN PUT YOUR IDOLS WHEREVER YOU WANT IT IS
> FUNNY TO SAY THE LEAST



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: MUSLIM REACTION PROVES POPE'S POINT (Muslims ARENT Violent???????)
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> At LEAST, The Pope apologized for that, What has YOUR people done?

"my people" Muslims are individuals and each man reasons for himself.
We do not tell each other how to think that is what you scum do!

> Promote MORE violence????? Murder??? Threaten??
>
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
> Now that is what i call REASONING! Inquisition has proved this to be
> absolutely true!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Israel ambulance helping Lebanese was Re: 911 WAS EXECUTED BY A JEW
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BernardZ wrote:
> In article <1166468229.372423.209130@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >
> > BernardZ wrote:
> > > The Israeli are not charging the arabs for ambulance help.
> >
> > WOW , THAT IS SOMETHING! YOU FIRST SHOOT ARABS AND THEN YOU EXPECT THEM
> > TO PAY FOR THE AMBULANCE!z NUTS?
> >
>
> Alex, who said the guy was shoot?
 FUCK OFF BERNARD THE IDIOT!  400 WERE SHOT IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS,
MOSTLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN!



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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Your towel must be too tight! Wanna loosen it?

Stick it where you like it baby, just not up my arse!
>
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
> SO FAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU CAN PUT YOUR IDOLS WHEREVER YOU WANT IT IS
> FUNNY TO SAY THE LEAST



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
> Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
>
> Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> Yeah, By killing many innocent people and making threats. People have a
> right to be whatever religion they wish to be,

They do that is why you should not ostracize those Catholic priests who
converted to Islam
Or even nuns for that matter!



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> > What is your point? Same goes for Christians. I know a young Jehovah
> > Christian lady who converted to Islam, whose parents won't even notice
> > her as she walks by. That is worse than
> > death for a young woman. I know a Jewish women bus driver, who
> > converted to Islam. Jews refuse to ride in her bus!
>
> Hey Venereal,
> Show me those two ladies who converted and I will ride them both.
> I have absolutely no prejudice in this respect.
> RD

I am sure your local preacher cam help you they love riding little boys!



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patriot wrote:
> WE FUCK: UN, RED, CROSS HUMAN RIGHT AND BENJAMIN, ALL STINKY CHRISTIANS
> LOOSERS!
 
HEZBOLLAH HAS FUCKED YOU, BUT GOOD!



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Benja'min wrote:
> U.S. JEWS SAY: "DUMP THE CONSTITUTION"!
> FILTHY, HOOK-NOSED KIKES, INCLUDING A SITTING FEDERAL JUDGE, PUSHING
> FOR NEW CONSTITUTION - "FOR THESE TIMES OF TERRORISM"
> THEY CLAIM OUR CONSTITUTION IS "UNDEMOCRATIC"
>
> Actually quoted as saying it was "written by rich white men. . . . ."
>
> Kike Federal Judge refers to it as "a suicide pact." Hideous jew Texas
> Law Professor calls it "undemocratic." Yale Law School "guru" (kike)
> says we need "an Emergency Constitution" while yet another jew fuck
> calls the Founding Fathers noble goals "a myth."
>
> "Emergency?" What emergency? There is no emergency. Our Constitution
> survived during the Civil War. There's nothing even close to that
> happening -- at least not yet. There's no reason to change anything,
> never mind re-write it. You jews really are too much!
>
> Once again, the filthy, rat, jew comes to a country, is made to feel
> at home, then starts telling everyone how things should be run. You
> fucking kikes better shut your mouths before we decide to start
> shutting them for you.
>
> America is not now, and never has been, a "democracy." We are a
> Constitutional Republic. That's the way it has been, is, and will
> continue to be. Period. End of discussion.
>
>
>
> Constitution, Schmonstitution
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is
> over how the document should be construed by modern jurists. The debate
> entered into by the literary firm of Posner, Levinson, Ackerman and Labun=
ski
> is all about whether and to what extent the document itself deserves the
> legal and political reverence it receives today. During a time of terror,
> when writers write lofty words about the need for a strong Constitution, =
the
> bright men identified above are talking about taking it apart.
>
> 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Richard A. Posner, a Reagan
> appointee, argues in "Not a Suicide Pact: the Constitution in a Time of
> National Emergency" (Oxford 2006) that in a terrorism-induced choice betw=
een
> individual freedoms and collective security, the Constitution was never
> intended to side with the first at the expense of the second. Maybe it's
> Judge Posner's bitter reaction to what he perceives as judicial overreach=
ing
> in constitutional decisions. Or maybe it's his professed disdain for "civ=
il
> libertarians" whom, he says "are not always careful about history." Whate=
ver
> the case, Judge Posner is ready to make malleable the protections contain=
ed
> in the Constitution; he's ready to have bedrock individual rights and
> protections ebb and flow along a sliding scale depending upon the scope of
> the crisis.
>
> But at least the good judge is not calling our sacred text "undemocratic,"
> which is as far as Professor Levinson is willing to go. In his new book,
> "Our Undemocratic Constitution: Where the Constitution Goes Wrong" (Oxford
> 2006), Levinson argues that it's time for us all to convene another
> constitutional convention (this time, with air conditioning) to undertake
> wholesale changes to what he says is an unworkable Constitution. "If I am
> correct," Levinson writes, "that the Constitution is both insufficiently
> democratic in a country that professes to believe in democracy, and
> (emphasis added) significantly dysfunctional, in terms of the quality of
> government that we receive, then it follows that we should no longer expr=
ess
> our blind devotion to it." Them's fighting words!
>
> Professor Ackerman, the Yalie, also doesn't want to be "blindly devoted" =
to
> the document we all are taught in public school to be blindly devoted to.
> All he argues for, in his new book "Before the Next Attack: Preserving Ci=
vil
> Liberties in an Age of Terrorism" (Yale 2006), is that we come up with an
> "emergency" Constitution (really a series of new constitutional provision=
s)
> that will help guide us when the next terrorism attack surely comes. We n=
eed
> a new baseline law, Ackerman writes, "that allows for effective short-term
> measures that will do everything plausible to stop a second strike - but
> which firmly draws the line against permanent restrictions." Our existing
> Constitution isn't good enough for Ackerman because it is so vulnerable to
> cynical manipulation by our politicians and to neglect by average America=
ns.
>
> Which brings me to the best book of them all - and the only one of the fo=
ur
> worth remembering - and that is Labunski's unheralded "James Madison and =
the
> Struggle for the Bill of Rights" (Oxford 2006). The University of Kentucky
> journalism professor offers in mind-numbing detail Madison's efforts first
> to prevent a bill of rights from being incorporated into the text of the
> Constitution, and then his real politic realization that the Constitution
> itself only would be accepted by his fellow Founders if in the end it did
> include a bill of particularized rights and freedoms. To absorb the Madis=
on
> book is to understand that the Constitution is neither the Ark of the
> Covenant (as Thomas Jefferson once famously said) nor a mere legal guidep=
ost
> along the American way that ought to be dispensed with in difficult times.
>
> It is instead, as Labunski laboriously points out, a document conceived a=
nd
> drafted by rich white men during the political moment of their lives; a
> document brilliant mostly for its ambiguities and its ability (thanks to
> generations of judges as polished and as responsible for our rule of law =
as
> any of Madison's gang) to foresee the potential, indeed, the destiny, of a
> changed and changing world. The Constitution is not an undemocratic
> document - indeed, it is as schizophrenically and unsatisfactorily
> democratic as the rebels were then and as we are now. It does not need to=
 be
> replaced, even temporarily, by an "emergency" document that would leave to
> far lesser men (and women) the task that Madison achieved. And it certain=
ly
> deserves better than to be manipulated, by zealous and unchecked executive
> branch actors, in the name of "national security."
>
> I blast modern-day politicians all the time for lazily enacting vague and
> ambiguous legislation - essentially pawning off the most difficult policy
> choices upon judges, who then are criticized for making the policy choices
> that our legislators were supposed to make in the first place. But Madison
> and Company purposely, and I think with great forethought, pushed through=
 an
> often vague and ambiguous Constitution and then a Bill of Rights not just
> because it was the best they could do given the political conflicts of the
> era but also because they had a certain faith that those of us living in
> future generations would manage the document with wisdom and care.
>
> Their faith has been rewarded many times before, in eras darker than our
> own. It is important for esteemed scholars to try to scale mountains, even
> ones as high and mighty as the Constitution itself. And clearly the docum=
ent
> isn't nearly as perfect or as ideal as we all have been taught to think it
> is. But it usually works. And if we were to suddenly discard it or its co=
re
> principles now, literally under the gun, we'd be conceding a huge battle =
in
> the war against the terrorists. Now is not the time to attack the
> Constitution. Now is the time to defend it.
>
>
> By Andreew Cohen
> =A9MMVI CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
>
>
> Hell, Ruth Bader-Ginsburg, her leftist cohorts on the Supreme Court,
> and even the so called moderate, ex-justice Sandra O'Connor have said
> that we need to rely more heavily on International Law and less on the
> Constitution.
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/3/82551.shtml
>
> Justice Ginsburg: Supreme Court Considers Foreign Laws, Not Just
> Constitution
> By Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com
> Sunday, April 3, 2005
> Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Friday that as a
> justice she considers foreign laws - not just U.S. laws and its
> Constitution - in forming her legal opinions.
>
> Ginsburg said criticisms of relying too heavily on world opinion
> "should not lead us to abandon the effort to learn what we can from
> the experience and good thinking foreign sources may convey."
>
> (...)
>
> Ginsburg, a Democrat appointed by Bill Clinton, is not alone in her
> view that the Court should consider foreign laws in forming American
> court opinions.
>
> In 2003, Republican Justice Sandra Day O'Connor openly stated that the
> court should look abroad for judicial guidance.
>
> Sandra Day O'Connor "The impressions we create in this world are
> important, and they can leave their mark," O'Connor said in a speech.
>
> She indicated that the U.S. is not respected abroad "when it comes to
> the impression created by the treatment of foreign and international
> law and the United States court, the jury is still out."
>
> O'Connor indicated she and the High Court had been influenced in
> recent rulings.
>
> She cited foreign laws as having helped the Court rule that executing
> mentally retarded individuals as illegal.
>
> O'Connor also said the Court relied on European Court decisions when
> it struck down Texas's law outlawing sodomy or sex between adults of
> the same gender.
>
>
>
> =D8      Judge's name?
>
>
> Richard Posner, "judge and author".
>
>
> > > Hideous jew Texas
> > > Law Professor calls it "undemocratic."
>
> Sanford Levinson, "University of Texas law professor".
>
> > > Yale Law School "guru" (kike)
> > > says we need "an Emergency Constitution"
>
>
> Bruce Ackerman, "Yale Law School guru".
>
>
> > > while yet another jew fuck
> > > calls the Founding Fathers noble goals "a myth."
>
> Richard Labunski, "author".
>
> >
> > Names?  Cites?
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/24/opinion/courtwatch/main2117497.=
shtml
>
> Done.
>
> The Jew Andrew Cohen, author of the referenced article writes:
> "During a time of terror, when writers write lofty words about the
> need for a strong Constitution, the bright men identified above are
> talking about taking it apart."
>
> To Cohen's credit, he ends the article by saying "Now is not the
> time to attack the Constitution. Now is the time to defend it", but
> given the views expressed by the "Constitutional Terrorists" (JEWS
> ALL) that Cohen cites in his article, his statement is mealy-mouthed
> and milquetoast.
>
> Why is it that each and every one of the notable persons that Cohen
> cites in his article are Jewish? WHY?
>
> With the possible exception of pre-WWI Germany, there has never been a
> nation that has been kinder to or more accepting (blindly tolerant) of
> Jews than the United States of America, yet this alien "species"
> has become a "houseguest from hell", as Jews are wont to do.
>
> Why would Jews want to push for re-write of the US Constitution?
> Because they believe they can dominate the process, changing it to the
> advantage of Jews.
>
> True democracies tend to favor majorities while disfavoring minorities,
> so why would Jews, who make up a mere 1.7% of the US population want to
> push for a "more democratic" form of government in the US? Because
> they feel that they have such a domination over the media that they can
> literally lead the gullible Goyim by the nose, conning them to vote in
> whatever way pleases them - and they have good reason for believing
> this, as they have effectively been doing this for years.
>
> Pre-WWI Germany was extremely kind to and tolerant of its Jewish
> population, and Jews thrived in this welcoming and tolerant
> environment. It was only when the Germans discovered that their Jews
> had betrayed them - sold them out for the proverbial Thirty Pieces of
> Silver that Germany discovered the cancer, and began to treat it as
> such.
>
> Jews, full of piss and vinegar, are again making the mistake that they
> have made time and time again over the centuries: Believing that they,
> the Chosen, are so cunning and so clever that they can "work" the
> Goyim with impunity. They were wrong on virtually every occasion past,
> and they are wrong now. I only hope that America wakes up to their
> machinations before the damage us much further.
>
> **
>
> Waldo
>
> Observer at Large
>
>
>
> U.S. JEWS SAY: "DUMP THE CONSTITUTION"!
>
> Commentary By Hal Turner.
> http://halturnershow.com/index.html
>
> FILTHY, HOOK-NOSED KIKES, INCLUDING A SITTING FEDERAL JUDGE,
> PUSHING FOR NEW CONSTITUTION - "FOR THESE TIMES OF TERRORISM"
>
> THEY CLAIM OUR CONSTITUTION IS "UNDEMOCRATIC"
>
> Actually quoted as saying it was "written by rich white men. .,"
>
>
> Kike Federal Judge refers to it as "a suicide pact." Hideous jew
> Texas Law Professor calls it "undemocratic." Yale Law School "guru"
> (kike) says we need "an Emergency Constitution" while yet another
> jew fuck calls the Founding Fathers noble goals "a myth."
>
> Once again, the filthy, rat, jew comes to a country, is made to feel
> at home, then starts telling everyone how things should be run. You
> fucking kikes better shut your mouths before we decide to start
> shutting them for you.
>
> America is not now, and never has been, a "democracy." We are a
> Constitutional Republic. That's the way it has been, is, and will
> continue to be. Period. End of discussion.
>
> http://halturnershow.com/index.html
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/24/opinion/courtwatch/main2117497.=
shtml
>
>
>
>
>
> George Washington was right.
> ( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)
>
> "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armie=
s=2E
> They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great
> cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long
> ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies
> we have to the happiness of America."
> George Washington

Any law which restricts jewish atrocities, and their takeover of the
Mother Earth is an anathema to ZioNazis



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patr.manellel...@gmail.com wrote:
> Personaly, from all the evidence I have seen and the Jewish people I
> know personaly who sufferd in concentration camps at the hands of those
> evil nazis, I know there was a holocaust.
> Why though in some countries does freedom of speach not extend to the
> topic of questioning any detail of it? Does this not serve to fan the
> flames of doubt amongst the more anti Semitic of us?

The more you question the veracity of the Holofucks, the more you
discover the lies about it.



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B'in''ya'min wrote:
> "Tilly"  wrote in message news:em6pmb$jiq$1@aioe.org...
> > On top of nearly constant anti-Semitic propaganda, much of the Muslim
> > world
> > hasn't even heard of it.
>
> The yids haven't been too terribly successful at marketing their
> "holocaust(tm)" in Islamic countries.

Not only  in the Islamic countries. European puppets are going along
with Jew lies,  but the people of Europe do know the truth. Some time
soon they will teach ZioNazis a lesson they will never forget!



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Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> From: serwad@bellsouth.net (Venceremos)
>
> Ms. MICHEL'LE wrote:
> At LEAST, The Pope apologized for that, What has YOUR people done?
>
> "my people" Muslims are individuals and each man reasons for himself. We
> do not tell each other how to think that is what you scum do!
>
> That's why YOUR people wrap bombs around themselves,
We fight back by any means available to us and never surrender!

Use Children as
> human shields,
You are a liar! I can show you photos of ZioNazis tieing schollchildren
to the front of their jeep in West Bank. A muslim would never do such a
thing

and  blow up buildings!
israelis have blownup more homes and building than Hitler ever did. 911
is a Jew job!
Ask Dov Zakheim he knows about 911

MAYBE your religious leaders
> SHOULD get OFF their asses and speak out AGAINST the violence, Whats the
> matter? They afraid of the Lil Terrorists????

Our religious leaders have no right to speak for musims as a whole.
Islam is a most democratic religion, each person makes up his own mind
about issue. We are not sheep, you are!
>
> TELL YOUR LEADERS TO EXCOMMUNICATE THEM!!!!

You have to be kidding! Have you ever heard of a muslim being
"excommunicated"?



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 Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat
By Daphna Berman

A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on
a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and
may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the
legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in
Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of
ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the
back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal
advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for
the police to apprehend her attackers.

In her first interview since the incident, Shear says that on the bus
three weeks ago, she was slapped, kicked, punched and pushed by a group
of men who demanded that she sit in the back of the bus with the other
women. The bus driver, in response to a media inquiry, denied that
violence was used against her, but Shear's account has been
substantiated by an unrelated eyewitness on the bus who confirmed that
she sustained an unprovoked "severe beating."

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Shear, an American-Israeli woman who currently lives in Canada, says
that on a recent five-week vacation to Israel, she rode the bus daily
to the Old City to pray at sunrise. Though not defined by Egged as a
sex-segregated "mehadrin" bus, women usually sit in the back, while men
sit in the front, as a matter of custom.

"Every two or three days, someone would tell me to sit in the back,
sometimes politely and sometimes not," she recalled this week in a
telephone interview. "I was always polite and said 'No. This is not a
synagogue. I am not going to sit in the back.'"

But Shear, a 50-year-old religious woman, says that on the morning of
the 24th, a man got onto the bus and demanded her seat - even though
there were a number of other seats available in the front of the bus.

"I said, I'm not moving and he said, 'I'm not asking you, I'm telling
you.' Then he spat in my face and at that point, I was in high
adrenaline mode and called him a son-of-a-bitch, which I am not proud
of. Then I spat back. At that point, he pushed me down and people on
the bus were screaming that I was crazy. Four men surrounded me and
slapped my face, punched me in the chest, pulled at my clothes, beat
me, kicked me. My snood [hair covering] came off. I was fighting back
and kicked one of the men in his privates. I will never forget the look
on his face."

Shear says that when she bent down in the aisle to retrieve her hair
covering, "one of the men kicked me in the face. Thank God he missed my
eye. I got up and punched him. I said, 'I want my hair covering back'
but he wouldn't give it to me, so I took his black hat and threw it in
the aisle."

'Stupid American'

Throughout the encounter, Shear says the bus driver "did nothing." The
other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of
the bus and called her a "stupid American with no sechel [common
sense.] People blamed me for not knowing my place and not going to the
back of the bus where I belong."

According to Yehoshua Meyer, the eyewitness to the incident, Shear's
account is entirely accurate. "I saw everything," he said. "Someone got
on the bus and demanded that she go to the back, but she didn't agree.
She was badly beaten and her whole body sustained hits and kicks. She
tried to fight back and no one would help her. I tried to help, but
someone was stopping me from getting up. My phone's battery was dead,
so I couldn't call the police. I yelled for the bus driver to stop. He
stopped once, but he didn't do anything. When we finally got to the
Kotel [Western Wall], she was beaten badly and I helped her go to the
police."

Shear says that when she first started riding the No. 2 line, she did
not even know that it was sometimes sex-segregated. She also says that
sitting in the front is simply more comfortable. "I'm a 50-year-old
woman and I don't like to sit in the back. I'm dressed appropriately
and I was on a public bus."

"It is very dangerous for a group of people to take control over a
public entity and enforce their will without going through due
process," she said. "Even if they [Haredim who want a segregated bus]
are a majority - and I don't think they are - they have options
available. They can petition Egged or hire their own private line. But
as long as it's a public bus, I don't care if there are 500 people
telling me where to sit. I can sit wherever I want and so can anyone
else."

Meyer says that throughout the incident, the other passengers blamed
Shear for not sitting in the back. "They'll probably claim that she
attacked them first, but that's totally untrue. She was abused
terribly, and I've never seen anything like it."

Word of Shear's story traveled quickly after she forwarded an e-mail
detailing her experience. She has been contacted by a number of groups,
including Shatil, the New Israel Fund's Empowerment and Training Center
for Social Change; Kolech, a religious women's forum; the Israel
Religious Action Center (IRAC), the legal advocacy arm of the local
Reform movement; and the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA).

In the coming month, IRAC will be submitting a petition to the High
Court of Justice against the Transportation Ministry over the issue of
segregated Egged buses. IRAC attorney Orly Erez-Likhovski is in touch
with Shear and is considering including her in the petition.

Although the No. 2 Jerusalem bus where the incident occurred is not
actually defined as a mehadrin line, Erez-Likhovski says that Shear's
story is further proof that the issue requires legal clarification.
About 30 Egged buses are designated as mehadrin, mostly on inter-city
lines, but they are not marked to indicate this. "There's no way to
identify a mehadrin bus, which in itself is a problem," she said.

"Theoretically, a person can sit wherever they want, even on a mehadrin
line, but we're seeing that people are enforcing [the gender
segregation] even on non-mehadrin lines and that's the part of the
danger," she said.

On a mehadrin bus, women enter and exit through the rear door, and the
seats from the rear door back are generally considered the "women's
section." A child is usually sent forward to pay the driver.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:15 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: David Duke named to Sears Board of Directors
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 SO, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? You would rather have a Jew rule Sears?

David has a Ph.D, unlike most Jews who are illiterate!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: JEWES BEATEN ON THE JEW BUS!
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Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat
By Daphna Berman

A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on
a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and
may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the
legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in
Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of
ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the
back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal
advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for
the police to apprehend her attackers.

In her first interview since the incident, Shear says that on the bus
three weeks ago, she was slapped, kicked, punched and pushed by a group
of men who demanded that she sit in the back of the bus with the other
women. The bus driver, in response to a media inquiry, denied that
violence was used against her, but Shear's account has been
substantiated by an unrelated eyewitness on the bus who confirmed that
she sustained an unprovoked "severe beating."

	Advertisement

Shear, an American-Israeli woman who currently lives in Canada, says
that on a recent five-week vacation to Israel, she rode the bus daily
to the Old City to pray at sunrise. Though not defined by Egged as a
sex-segregated "mehadrin" bus, women usually sit in the back, while men
sit in the front, as a matter of custom.

"Every two or three days, someone would tell me to sit in the back,
sometimes politely and sometimes not," she recalled this week in a
telephone interview. "I was always polite and said 'No. This is not a
synagogue. I am not going to sit in the back.'"

But Shear, a 50-year-old religious woman, says that on the morning of
the 24th, a man got onto the bus and demanded her seat - even though
there were a number of other seats available in the front of the bus.

"I said, I'm not moving and he said, 'I'm not asking you, I'm telling
you.' Then he spat in my face and at that point, I was in high
adrenaline mode and called him a son-of-a-bitch, which I am not proud
of. Then I spat back. At that point, he pushed me down and people on
the bus were screaming that I was crazy. Four men surrounded me and
slapped my face, punched me in the chest, pulled at my clothes, beat
me, kicked me. My snood [hair covering] came off. I was fighting back
and kicked one of the men in his privates. I will never forget the look
on his face."

Shear says that when she bent down in the aisle to retrieve her hair
covering, "one of the men kicked me in the face. Thank God he missed my
eye. I got up and punched him. I said, 'I want my hair covering back'
but he wouldn't give it to me, so I took his black hat and threw it in
the aisle."

'Stupid American'

Throughout the encounter, Shear says the bus driver "did nothing." The
other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of
the bus and called her a "stupid American with no sechel [common
sense.] People blamed me for not knowing my place and not going to the
back of the bus where I belong."

According to Yehoshua Meyer, the eyewitness to the incident, Shear's
account is entirely accurate. "I saw everything," he said. "Someone got
on the bus and demanded that she go to the back, but she didn't agree.
She was badly beaten and her whole body sustained hits and kicks. She
tried to fight back and no one would help her. I tried to help, but
someone was stopping me from getting up. My phone's battery was dead,
so I couldn't call the police. I yelled for the bus driver to stop. He
stopped once, but he didn't do anything. When we finally got to the
Kotel [Western Wall], she was beaten badly and I helped her go to the
police."

Shear says that when she first started riding the No. 2 line, she did
not even know that it was sometimes sex-segregated. She also says that
sitting in the front is simply more comfortable. "I'm a 50-year-old
woman and I don't like to sit in the back. I'm dressed appropriately
and I was on a public bus."

"It is very dangerous for a group of people to take control over a
public entity and enforce their will without going through due
process," she said. "Even if they [Haredim who want a segregated bus]
are a majority - and I don't think they are - they have options
available. They can petition Egged or hire their own private line. But
as long as it's a public bus, I don't care if there are 500 people
telling me where to sit. I can sit wherever I want and so can anyone
else."

Meyer says that throughout the incident, the other passengers blamed
Shear for not sitting in the back. "They'll probably claim that she
attacked them first, but that's totally untrue. She was abused
terribly, and I've never seen anything like it."

Word of Shear's story traveled quickly after she forwarded an e-mail
detailing her experience. She has been contacted by a number of groups,
including Shatil, the New Israel Fund's Empowerment and Training Center
for Social Change; Kolech, a religious women's forum; the Israel
Religious Action Center (IRAC), the legal advocacy arm of the local
Reform movement; and the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA).

In the coming month, IRAC will be submitting a petition to the High
Court of Justice against the Transportation Ministry over the issue of
segregated Egged buses. IRAC attorney Orly Erez-Likhovski is in touch
with Shear and is considering including her in the petition.

Although the No. 2 Jerusalem bus where the incident occurred is not
actually defined as a mehadrin line, Erez-Likhovski says that Shear's
story is further proof that the issue requires legal clarification.
About 30 Egged buses are designated as mehadrin, mostly on inter-city
lines, but they are not marked to indicate this. "There's no way to
identify a mehadrin bus, which in itself is a problem," she said.

"Theoretically, a person can sit wherever they want, even on a mehadrin
line, but we're seeing that people are enforcing [the gender
segregation] even on non-mehadrin lines and that's the part of the
danger," she said.

On a mehadrin bus, women enter and exit through the rear door, and the
seats from the rear door back are generally considered the "women's
section." A child is usually sent forward to pay the driver.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: WHO IS MURDERING PALESTINIANS?
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 DIRTY jEWS, OR HAMAS?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:19 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: David Duke named to Sears Board of Directors
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vkarlamov@yahoo.com wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> >
> > David Duke named to Sears Board of Directors
> >
>
> If this were true, this would be quite interesting. Can you give us a
> ink?
>
> >
> > David has a Ph.D,
> >
>
> Yes, from an antisemite university in Ukraine. Took him 5 days of

YOU WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT A SEMITE OR ANTISEMITE WAS IF IT FELL ON YOUR
HEAD, COW!
> study.
>
> >
> > unlike most Jews who are illiterate!
> >
>
> Very funny. LOL.
YEP, FUNNY ALLRIGHT!   YOU DO NOT KNOW TOO MANY JEWS!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: JEWES BEATEN ON THE JEW BUS!
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 EXACTLY THE WAY BLACK WOMEN WERE TREATED HERE 50 YEARS AGO



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WHO IS MURDERING PALESTINIANS?
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 JEWS WILL BE SQUEALING  AGAIN WHEN PALESTINIANS TAKE OUT THE YATAGAN



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: 911 WAS EXECUTED BY A JEW
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 I have posted the link, listen to it. No Arab speaks like that!Z And
Jews have identified the voice as jewish



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: My kosher disappointment
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  In Ottawa the biggest and best Kosher deli is located two blocks from
the main Ottawa mosque, and on Fridays the Jew deli is filled by
muslims. Yasser Arafat's portrait adornes the wall behind the
butcher.Try vegetable samosa it is great ( I am vegetarian) but those
who are cannibals have told me that the Montreal smoked beef on rye
kills them all!



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> But but but didn't you just say "were lots of others" targeted, so now
> you're complaining that the Jews aren't mentioned specifically!
> Get a dose of logic, a great mega dose of history, live a little
> longer.
> yD

Albanians? Genocide? I knew you were stupid but never realized that you
were illiterate as well



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:25 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: OMG - Dangerous Criminal David Irving (holocaust negator) Has Been RELEASED!!
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 IRVING HAS NEVER DENIED HOLOCAUST ITSELF, WHAT HE HAS DENIED IS THE
JEWISH VERSION OF IT!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: SYRIA TO ARM WITH S-300 LONG RANGE A/A MISILES
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SYRIA MULLS S-300PMU2 SYSTEM


MOSCOW MENL - Syria has been discussing the procurement of the
advanced S-300 air and missile defense system from Russia.

Industry sources said Syrian President Bashar Assad was briefed on the
S-300PMU2 during his visit to Moscow. They said Bashar has agreed in
principle to procuring the S-300 and focused on price and other details
with his Russian interlocutors.

"Syria wants a strategic air defense system that would present a major
threat to Israeli warplanes," a source said. "I think Assad will buy
and deploy the S-300 over the next few months."

The S-300PMU2, known as Favorit and produced by Almaz, has been priced
at more than $600 million per unit. The sources said Russia has agreed
to reduce the price of the long-range air defense systems in exchange
for Russian Navy basing rights at the Syrian ports of Latakia and
Tartous.

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2006/december/12_21a_1.html

(My note: Russia has been basing about half a dozen nuke subs near
Latakia for about 20 years. Recently they had dredged the shallow
harbour to take the larger subs)



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_So_tell_me,_the_Holocaust=A9_is_NOT_about_Jews=3F?=
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floresrikitic@hotmail.com wrote:
> Gee, most people seem to associate this thing with Jews, about
> 6 million of them.   But jiminy, a Jew has told me here that the reason
> the 1992 Austrian law doesn't mention Jews specifically is because
> the law is meant to honor even the non-Jewish victims.

REALLY? WOW, THAT LAW MUST BE ABOLISHED!z DON'T THEY KNOW THAT IT IS
ONLY JEWS WHO WERE FRIED



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:26 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: US compensation lawsuit against Ya'alon dropped - YITZHAK BENHORIN
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torresD wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342675,00.html
> US compensation lawsuit against Ya'alon dropped
>
>
> Lawsuit filed by New-York based
> 'Center for Constitutional Rights'
> against former army chief over 1996
> Qana deaths thrown out of court

Not really! Until they have properly prepared specific charges. That is
all!Z



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From: "Venceremos" 
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WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE, BUT LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT,
UNLESS YOU WANT U.S. TO BE ANOTHER GAZA OF THE ZIONAZI EMPIRE

Who Makes Foreign Policy?

The Iraq Study Group released its report .pdf last week, giving the
president several recommendations to consider in prosecuting the war.
Similarly, the incoming Democratic leaders in Congress promise to urge
the president to take a new course in Iraq. Meanwhile, one newly
elected member of Congress was asked on national television about the
Iraq war. She responded by saying she had no real opinion, and that
foreign policy was "up to the president."

In each instance, it is assumed that the president will make Iraq
policy. I'm not talking about the details of actual military operations
in Iraq; I'm talking about the broader policy questions of how long our
troops will stay, how many will stay, and how victory will be defined.

The media, Congress, and the American public all seem to have accepted
something that is patently untrue: namely, that foreign policy is the
domain of the president and not Congress. This is absolutely not the
case and directly contrary to what our Founding Fathers wanted.

The role of the president as commander in chief is to direct our armed
forces in carrying out policies established by the American people
through their representatives in Congress. He is not authorized to make
those policies. He is an administrator, not a policy maker. Foreign
policy, like all federal policy, must be made by Congress. To allow
otherwise is to act in contravention of the Constitution.

Library of Congress scholar Louis Fisher, writing in The Oxford
Companion to American Military History, summarizes presidential war
power:

"The president's authority was carefully constrained. The power to
repel sudden attacks represented an emergency measure that allowed the
president, when Congress was not in session, to take actions necessary
to repel sudden attacks either against the mainland of the United
States or against American troops abroad. It did not authorize the
president to take the country into full-scale war or mount an offensive
attack against another nation."

But it's not simply the decision to wage war that is left to Congress.
Consider also the words of James Madison:

"Those who are to conduct a war cannot in the nature of things, be
proper or safe judges, whether a war ought to be commenced, continued,
or concluded. They are barred from the latter functions by a great
principle in free government, analogous to that which separates the
sword from the purse, or the power of executing from the power of
enacting laws." (Emphasis added.)

So Congress is charged not only with deciding when to go to war, but
also how to conduct - and bring to a conclusion - properly declared
wars. Of course the administration has some role to play in making
treaties, and the State Department should pursue beneficial diplomacy.
But the notion that presidents should establish our broader foreign
policy is dangerous and wrong. No single individual should be entrusted
with the awesome responsibility of deciding when to send our troops
abroad, how to employ them once abroad, and when to bring them home.
This is why the Founders wanted Congress, the body most directly
accountable to the public, to make critical decisions about war and
peace.

It is shameful that Congress ceded so much of its proper authority over
foreign policy to successive presidents during the 20th century,
especially when it failed to declare war in Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, and
Iraq. It's puzzling that Congress is so willing to give away one of its
most important powers, when most members from both parties work
incessantly to expand the role of Congress in domestic matters. By
transferring its role in foreign policy to the president, Congress not
only violates the Constitution, but also disenfranchises the American
electorate.


http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=3D10147

America's Original
Foreign Policy

Last week, I wrote about the critical need for Congress to reassert its
authority over foreign policy, and for the American people to recognize
that the Constitution makes no distinction between domestic and foreign
matters. Policy is policy, and it must be made by the legislature and
not the executive.

But what policy is best? How should we deal with the rest of the world
in a way that best advances proper national interests, while not
threatening our freedoms at home?

I believe our Founding Fathers had it right when they argued for peace
and commerce between nations, and against entangling political and
military alliances. In other words, noninterventionism.

Noninterventionism is not isolationism. Nonintervention simply means
America does not interfere militarily, financially, or covertly in the
internal affairs of other nations. It does not mean that we isolate
ourselves; on the contrary, our Founders advocated open trade, travel,
communication, and diplomacy with other nations.

Thomas Jefferson summed up the noninterventionist foreign policy
position perfectly in his 1801 Inaugural Address: "Peace, commerce, and
honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none."
Washington similarly urged that we must "Act for ourselves and not for
others" by forming an "American character wholly free of foreign
attachments."

Yet how many times have we all heard these wise words without taking
them to heart? How many claim to admire Jefferson and Washington, but
conveniently ignore both when it comes to American foreign policy?
Since so many apparently now believe Washington and Jefferson were
wrong on the critical matter of foreign policy, they should at least
have the intellectual honesty to admit it.

Of course we frequently hear the offensive clich=E9 that "times have
changed," and thus we cannot follow quaint admonitions from the 1700s.
The obvious question, then, is what other principles from our founding
era should we discard for convenience? Should we give up the First
Amendment because times have changed and free speech causes too much
offense in our modern society? Should we give up the Second Amendment,
and trust that today's government is benign and not to be feared by its
citizens? How about the rest of the Bill of Rights?

It's hypocritical and childish to dismiss certain founding principles
simply because a convenient rationale is needed to justify
interventionist policies today. The principles enshrined in the
Constitution do not change. If anything, today's more complex world
cries out for the moral clarity provided by a noninterventionist
foreign policy.

It is time for Americans to rethink the interventionist foreign policy
that is accepted without question in Washington. It is time to
understand the obvious harm that results from our being dragged time
and time again into intractable and endless Middle East conflicts,
whether in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, or Palestine. It is definitely
time to ask ourselves whether further American lives and tax dollars
should be lost trying to remake the Middle East in our image.

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=3D10184



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patr.manellelabs@gmail.com wrote:
> Salah Jafar wrote:
> > Because, you are dealing with people who no nothing but lies through out
> > their life. The Jews are liars and must deal with them on the same level;.
> >
> > SJ
>
> Is there anything that would change your mind?

The only reason why would anyone want to prohibit questioning any
aspect of history is because they have something to hide, and do not
want people to know about the lies they have told



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:34 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Frank Arthur wrote:
> You are writing repeatedly about gangsters in the USA 60 to 70 years ago.
> 60 to 70 years ago most Muslims wiped their ass without the benefit of
> toilet paper or running water.

You want me to write abou the present day Jewish Mafia? No problema!
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1166709877.377548.193490@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > The Jewish Mafia (Allegedly referred to as the Kosher Mafia) was
> > formed in North America in the late 1930s / Early 1940s. The architect
> > of this formation was the infamous Meyer Lansky.
> > Meyer Lansky had the know how and influence to organise many powerful
> > Jewish gangsters around the country under the umbrella of the emerging
> > 'national crime syndicate'.
> >
> > Lansky worked closely with the likes of Lucky Luciano and aided him in
> > his fight against the old-line italian mafiosi then under the competing
> > leaderships of Joe the Boss Masseria and Salvatore Maranzano. These
> > old-world Sicilians, especially Masseria, hated gangsters of other
> > ethnic derivation, he worked with them only when absolutely necessary
> > and looked forward to the day they could remove them from the equation.
> > Luciano and Lansky realized there was no room in the underworld for
> > such counter-productive bigotry, and they plotted to get rid of both
> > Masseria and Maranzano.
> >
> > After a very bloody war that ended in 1931, both Masseria and Maranzano
> > had been removed. it then became necessary for Lansky and Luciano to
> > "sell" their program of "brotherhood" to their Jewish and Italian
> > followers.
> >
> > Lansky set about the task of uniting the Jewish gangs across the
> > country. His work brought in the Purple Gang from Detroit and the Moe
> > Dalitz forces operating in Cleveland. He followed this up with a
> > meeting of East Coast forces at the Franconia Hotel in New York City NY
> > on November 11, 1931. Those attending included the likes of Bugsy
> > Siegel, a longtime partner of Lansky and Luciano; Louis "Lepke"
> > Buchalter; Joseph "Doc" Stacher; Jacob "Gurrah" Shapiro; Hyman "Curly"
> > Holtz; Louis "Shadows" Kravits; Harry Tietlebaum; Philip "Little
> > Farvel" Kovalick; and Harry "Big Greenie" Greenberg.
> >
> > Lansky explained to the attendees that Luciano had successfully united
> > the Italian mafiosi, and that the Lansky-Luciano partnership or
> > national crime syndicate was the only way forward. Everyone agreed, and
> > the Franconia conference established a firm base, "The yids and dagos
> > would no longer fight each other," the quotation attributed to Bugsy
> > Siegel.
> >
> > Various jewish gangsters who were thought to be unsuited to the new way
> > of shared wares, such as Waxey Gordon, the bootleg king of
> > Philadelphia, were eliminated.
> >



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Benja'min wrote:
> "Tilly"  wrote in message news:emdsvo$lve$1@aioe.org...
> > Benja'min wrote:
> >>
> >> The salami is made on pork fat, by the bye. They all are.
> >
> > What a load of garbage.
> 
> Tell me, oh leaned one, what salami is made from.

Pussy drippings!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,alt.gossip.royalty
Subject: Re: Why they deny the Holocaust
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usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
> Daniel Bernard wrote:
> > On 21 Dec 2006 00:11:23 -0800, usenet_trash@yahoo.de wrote:
> > >Daniel Bernard wrote:
> > >> reggae@amgglicoonn.com.za (The Re"vvdd) wrote:
> > >> > "Ariadne"  wrote:
> > >> >>...the Jews in Europe were the only ones victimised by the Krauts =
and the frogs.
> > >> >Why are there still jews in Europe, jew cunt?
> > >> >'Israel' is thataway ---------------------------------->
> > >Not every Jew has an antigoyish attitude. There are many decent ones.
> >
> > The poster Ariadne is not one of them.
>
> I checked her posts. She is a bigot who thinks all Arabs are
> terrorists. Sick.
>
> > >> Ah Monsieur le R=E9v=E9rend, this thread and others are perfect exam=
ples
> > >> of why the indigenous European between the ages of 25 to 40 is not a
> > >> Holocaust Denier but a Holocaust Contextualiser.
> > >>
> > >> There was no primacy of suffering but claims that (1) only Jews were
> > >> tattooed, (2) everyone else was collateral damage, (3) The Japanese
> > >> did not massacre Chinese civilians and (4) only Jews had to wear
> > >> coloured badges for identification are a nonsense designed to take
> > >> away from the suffering others had to endure.
> > >
> > >The hate-spilling antigoys really think Jews were the only ones who su=
ffered.
> > >
> > I don't know if they believe that but I feel they want us to believe th=
at.
> >
> > >> As for why are there still Jews in Europe, well the Germans are payi=
ng
> > >> them more benefits than they receive in Israel. Money talks.........
> > >
> > >Many went back to their homes when the war ended.
> >
> > Ah I meant presently. The German government are (guilt)tripping over
> > themselves to pay more in resettlement loans to Jews from the FSU then
> > they would receive if they moved to Israel.
>
> They are under pressure from the Holocaust Industry.

Sayanim would fuck her arse if she did not support Zi oNazis



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:46 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ISRAELI DOCTORS are ARRESTED EVERY YEAR for ILLEGAL TRADE in HUMAN ORGANS !
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>
>
> It was? Why is it a secular democracy then? It was established as a   Jewish
> homeland but not as religious state.Do you make everything up as you go
> along?

 No different than the Nazi Germany, Israel was created on the
presumtion that Jews are superior being requiring special
considerations and lots of cash contributed to them by the rest of the
world



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WHO IS MURDERING PALESTINIANS?
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Felix D. wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1166624916.549242.195820@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > JEWS WILL BE SQUEALING  AGAIN WHEN PALESTINIANS TAKE OUT THE YATAGAN
>
> WHAT PALESTINIANS? THEY WILL ALL HAVE KILLED EACH OTHER!
 
Seems to me that Hezbollah gave you scum run for your money!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.jordan,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Why is it illegal to question the holocaust?
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zr wrote:
> "zr"  wrote in message news:...
>  It is not illegal to question the holocaust.
>  It is only illegal to deny it happened.
 
Boy oh boy you scum are really making friends in Europe!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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tschmidtundert wrote:
> Frank Arthur wrote:
> > You are writing repeatedly about gangsters in the USA 60 to 70 years ago.
> > 60 to 70 years ago most Muslims wiped their ass without the benefit of
> > toilet paper or running water.
> >
> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>
> What is your problem? How do you think Jesus did it?
>
> T.Schmidt
> P.S. You talk like a supremacist. Societies do not develop at the same
> level uniformly in time, we were backward once.  Circumstances are
> transient.

Compared to the ancient Egyptians Canaanites and other semites were
about a millenium behind in development



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: 86% of Palestinians feel situation is worse since Hamas took office
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> They could do with a lot more medicine.

You could also wash your arsehole you stinky fat cow!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 17:59:48 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
Subject: WHERE IS THE FUCKING JEW LIST? YOU BLOODY LIAR!!
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 Jews that perished in the Konzlagers were in minority compared to
Slavs, gypsies, partizans, and Poles. Holofucks never happened the way
Jews say it did!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Mr. Bush How many Marines must die for the Jews
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Salah Jafar wrote:
> Let the Jews fight the war, it is fought for them. No more of my beloved
> marines. Let the Jews die for their own country they Claim God promise them.
> Let them suffer, let their youth die. Fuck them. No more of my marines. No
> more American blood for the Jews. let Pollard fight for them.
>
> SJ
If the Jews had to die for "thieir" country they would never have a
country. They are a bunch of cowardly scum, you know that!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Officer, soldier suspended over killing of Palestinian girl - YETNEWS
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torresD wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342337,00.html

I bet they will dock two weeks of their pay 200 shekels!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: ILLITERATE DRAHSIR, LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE
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Tilly wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Russians have just released the books of Auschwitz, which indicate
> > that 304,000 people died there. Half of them Jews.
>
>
> Link?
> Evidence?  (let me guess pravda.ru?)
 
hell of a lot more relible than CNN



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zr wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1167113420.129941.202340@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >
>
> >> David Irving is a Muslim.
> >
> > you illiterate mongrel Jew dog, did i say that?
>
> Yes you did

FUCKING LONG NOSED JEW PIG, LIAR! IRVING'S BROTHER CONVERTED TO ISLAM
DECADES AGO



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 Iran: U.N. Ignoring Israeli Nuke Program


By SARAH DiLORENZO


UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Iran denounced U.N. sanctions imposed on its
nuclear program Saturday, accusing the Security Council of double
standards for ignoring Israel's apparent recent admission of its
nuclear capabilities.

Speaking after the Security Council unanimously adopted the resolution,
Iran's U.N. ambassador called the sanctions illegal and accused Europe
and the United States of trying to prevent Iran from pursuing peaceful
nuclear technology.

"A nation is being punished for exercising its inalienable rights,"
said Javad Zarif, accusing the council of acting at the "behest of a
dangerous regime with aggression and war crimes as its signature brand
of behavior," referring to Israel.

Earlier this month, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert appeared to
abandon Israel's long-standing policy of ambiguity on nuclear weapons
when he listed Israel among countries that possess them. His office
maintains his comments were misinterpreted.


The sanctions were intended to pressure Iran to suspend uranium
enrichment, a technology can be used to produce nuclear fuel for
civilian purposes or for a nuclear bomb. Iran says its program is
intended for peaceful purposes, while the United States and its
European allies suspect its ultimate goal is to build a bomb.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry said the government would defy the
resolution and continue enriching uranium.

"Iran considers the new U.N. Security Council resolution ... an
extralegal act outside the frame of its responsibilities and against
the U.N. Charter," the ministry said. "The Iranian nation, relying on
its national capabilities and within the framework of its rights
stipulated in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, will continue its
peaceful nuclear activities."

Zarif's speech was filled with lists of grievances: allegations of war
crimes and nuclear irresponsibility by Israel, Iranian proposals he
claims were ignored by the Europeans and Americans, and crimes against
Iran he charged were ignored by the Security Council.

In an emotional moment, Zarif remembered a colleague, Mahdi Vahidi, who
recently died from cancer he said was caused by chemical weapons used
by Iraq against Iran during their 1980-88 war. He said the council,
because it failed to take action against Iraq at the time, "shouldered
responsibility" for Vihidi's and others' deaths.

Zarif also questioned the sincerity of the Security Council's claim
that it wanted Iran to suspend enrichment in order to build confidence
and trust between Iran and the international community.

The United States'"stated objective has always been to use the council
as an instrument of pressure and intimidation to compel Iran to abandon
its rights," Zarif said. "Knowing their bright recent history, we can
all assume what the unstated objective is."

Iran has said it intends to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment
involving 3,000 centrifuges by late 2006, and then expand the program
to 54,000 centrifuges, which spin uranium gas into enriched material to
produce nuclear fuel.

Iranian nuclear officials say 54,000 centrifuges would produce enough
enriched uranium to fuel a 1,000-megawatt reactor, such as the one Iran
has built with Russian assistance at Bushehr, southern Iran. The
reactor is due to begin operating next year.


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20061223/D8M6S4Q00.html


Iran backed dangerously into a corner

By Linda S. Heard

12/25/06 "Gulf News" --- - American and Israeli machinations have once
more put this region under threat. Following months of barking from
Bolton the bulldog the United Nations Security Council has unanimously
passed a resolution designed to slow the Iranian nuclear programme.

It isn't as comprehensive as the former US ambassador to the UN John
Bolton and his masters would have liked, concentrating, as it does, on
banning the import and export of nuclear-related materials and freezing
the assets of certain companies, but it's the best he could prize out
of reluctant China and Russia.

Moscow held out the longest and only caved in after a call made by
George W. Bush to the Russian President Vladimir Putin. One is driven
to wonder about other topics discussed: Russia's proposed WTO
membership, perhaps?

Israel is ecstatic at this rap over the knuckles and the Bush
administration is already touting the resolution as a positive first
step towards comprehensive sanctions.

For Iraq watchers this is d=C3=A9j=C3 vu. Here we go again. Another of the
region's main players becomes an official pariah, scolded and condemned
for enriching uranium, which it has an inalienable right to do under
Article 4 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Another, Israel, overturned its policy of nuclear ambiguity when its
prime minister inadvertently admitted his country's capability and the
so-called international community plays deaf and dumb.

Iran has responded predictably to the sanctions. The country's
authorised nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani said Iran is even more set
on realising its nuclear aims than before while Foreign Minister
Mohammad Ali Hussaini vows to revise Iran's relationship with the
international nuclear watchdog the IAEA. Plus there is talk that Iran
may expel the ambassadors of nations with a seat on the UNSC.

In other words, instead of opening up, Iran feels unfairly singled out
and under siege. It's little wonder, therefore, that it's poised to
withdraw further into its own shell and accelerate its nuclear
programme with the addition of 52,000 centrifuges.

In the meantime, Britain's Tony Blair has become an expert
flip-flopper.

Just a few weeks ago he was advocating unconditional direct talks with
Iran but then he went to Washington where he was assigned a new
message: Iran is the obstacle to peace in the Middle East by supporting
terrorists in Iraq, attempting to oust Lebanon's democratically-elected
government, and denying the Holocaust.

Moderate Muslim states should unite in combating extremist regimes,
such as Iran's, Blair said.

Final leg

Blair neglected to mention that like Iraq during the final leg of
Saddam's tenure Iran has begun selling its oil in euros, thus
undermining the petrodollar.

In the meantime, the US and Britain are moving warships to the Gulf to
join the aircraft carrier Eisenhower and the US is set to send more
troops to neighbouring Iraq, despite General John Abizaid's insistence
that more isn't necessary. This is naked aggression with the
possibility of a disastrous outcome - yet another all out war.

Right-wing Israeli elements that view Tehran as an existential threat
have been pushing for a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities
for some time, warning that if the US doesn't move Israel might do the
job itself. The US Vice-President Dick Cheney has made similar warning
noises in the past.

Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector turned peace activist and
author of Target Iran: The Truth about the White House's plans for
regime change believes there is no evidence to suggest Iran is pursuing
anything other than a nuclear programme for civilian purposes.

He suggests both CIA and Mossad agents are swarming all over Iran but
have been unable to unearth any proof of nefarious activity other than
deep underground tunnels.

During a conversation with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh,
broadcast on Democracy Now, Ritter puts Washington's anti-Iran
sabre-rattling down to a nexus between the neoconservatives and the
right-wing of Israel's Likud Party.

As occurred in Iraq, Ritter says the White House is hyping the Iranian
nuclear peril as an excuse for its real neoconservative-inspired goal
regime change as part of the broader pursuit of global hegemony.

Unfortunately, the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has played
right into the hands of his enemies with his anti-Israeli rhetoric that
gave grist to the Bush administration's mill when negotiating the UNSC
Resolution.

Israeli and right-wing American spokespeople are working the "wipe
Israel off the map" statement as hard as they can as "evidence" that
Israel is seriously menaced. It's ironic that while Iran does not
possess that kind of capability Israel does and showed its willingness
to use it in 1973 and 1991 when the country was on nuclear alert.

If either the US and its allies or Israel decides to strike Iranian
nuclear facilities, comparisons with Iraq will end there. The sectarian
conflict that has possessed Iraq will likely ignite the entire region
where nations will be asked to take sides. Worse, in some cases public
sentiments and governmental policies could deviate.

Washington and Tel Aviv, aided by London, are taking this region on a
collision course. Arab League Secretary-General Amr Mousa once warned
that the invasion of Iraq would open the gates to Hell.

They opened alright but if there is war with Iran they may take a long
time to swing shut.

Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs. She can
be contacted at lheard@gulfnews.com

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15986.htm



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 Iran: U.N. Ignoring Israeli Nuke Program


By SARAH DiLORENZO


UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Iran denounced U.N. sanctions imposed on its
nuclear program Saturday, accusing the Security Council of double
standards for ignoring Israel's apparent recent admission of its
nuclear capabilities.

Speaking after the Security Council unanimously adopted the resolution,
Iran's U.N. ambassador called the sanctions illegal and accused Europe
and the United States of trying to prevent Iran from pursuing peaceful
nuclear technology.

"A nation is being punished for exercising its inalienable rights,"
said Javad Zarif, accusing the council of acting at the "behest of a
dangerous regime with aggression and war crimes as its signature brand
of behavior," referring to Israel.

Earlier this month, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert appeared to
abandon Israel's long-standing policy of ambiguity on nuclear weapons
when he listed Israel among countries that possess them. His office
maintains his comments were misinterpreted.


The sanctions were intended to pressure Iran to suspend uranium
enrichment, a technology can be used to produce nuclear fuel for
civilian purposes or for a nuclear bomb. Iran says its program is
intended for peaceful purposes, while the United States and its
European allies suspect its ultimate goal is to build a bomb.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry said the government would defy the
resolution and continue enriching uranium.

"Iran considers the new U.N. Security Council resolution ... an
extralegal act outside the frame of its responsibilities and against
the U.N. Charter," the ministry said. "The Iranian nation, relying on
its national capabilities and within the framework of its rights
stipulated in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, will continue its
peaceful nuclear activities."

Zarif's speech was filled with lists of grievances: allegations of war
crimes and nuclear irresponsibility by Israel, Iranian proposals he
claims were ignored by the Europeans and Americans, and crimes against
Iran he charged were ignored by the Security Council.

In an emotional moment, Zarif remembered a colleague, Mahdi Vahidi, who
recently died from cancer he said was caused by chemical weapons used
by Iraq against Iran during their 1980-88 war. He said the council,
because it failed to take action against Iraq at the time, "shouldered
responsibility" for Vihidi's and others' deaths.

Zarif also questioned the sincerity of the Security Council's claim
that it wanted Iran to suspend enrichment in order to build confidence
and trust between Iran and the international community.

The United States'"stated objective has always been to use the council
as an instrument of pressure and intimidation to compel Iran to abandon
its rights," Zarif said. "Knowing their bright recent history, we can
all assume what the unstated objective is."

Iran has said it intends to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment
involving 3,000 centrifuges by late 2006, and then expand the program
to 54,000 centrifuges, which spin uranium gas into enriched material to
produce nuclear fuel.

Iranian nuclear officials say 54,000 centrifuges would produce enough
enriched uranium to fuel a 1,000-megawatt reactor, such as the one Iran
has built with Russian assistance at Bushehr, southern Iran. The
reactor is due to begin operating next year.


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20061223/D8M6S4Q00.html


Iran backed dangerously into a corner

By Linda S. Heard

12/25/06 "Gulf News" --- - American and Israeli machinations have once
more put this region under threat. Following months of barking from
Bolton the bulldog the United Nations Security Council has unanimously
passed a resolution designed to slow the Iranian nuclear programme.

It isn't as comprehensive as the former US ambassador to the UN John
Bolton and his masters would have liked, concentrating, as it does, on
banning the import and export of nuclear-related materials and freezing
the assets of certain companies, but it's the best he could prize out
of reluctant China and Russia.

Moscow held out the longest and only caved in after a call made by
George W. Bush to the Russian President Vladimir Putin. One is driven
to wonder about other topics discussed: Russia's proposed WTO
membership, perhaps?

Israel is ecstatic at this rap over the knuckles and the Bush
administration is already touting the resolution as a positive first
step towards comprehensive sanctions.

For Iraq watchers this is d=C3=A9j=C3 vu. Here we go again. Another of the
region's main players becomes an official pariah, scolded and condemned
for enriching uranium, which it has an inalienable right to do under
Article 4 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Another, Israel, overturned its policy of nuclear ambiguity when its
prime minister inadvertently admitted his country's capability and the
so-called international community plays deaf and dumb.

Iran has responded predictably to the sanctions. The country's
authorised nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani said Iran is even more set
on realising its nuclear aims than before while Foreign Minister
Mohammad Ali Hussaini vows to revise Iran's relationship with the
international nuclear watchdog the IAEA. Plus there is talk that Iran
may expel the ambassadors of nations with a seat on the UNSC.

In other words, instead of opening up, Iran feels unfairly singled out
and under siege. It's little wonder, therefore, that it's poised to
withdraw further into its own shell and accelerate its nuclear
programme with the addition of 52,000 centrifuges.

In the meantime, Britain's Tony Blair has become an expert
flip-flopper.

Just a few weeks ago he was advocating unconditional direct talks with
Iran but then he went to Washington where he was assigned a new
message: Iran is the obstacle to peace in the Middle East by supporting
terrorists in Iraq, attempting to oust Lebanon's democratically-elected
government, and denying the Holocaust.

Moderate Muslim states should unite in combating extremist regimes,
such as Iran's, Blair said.

Final leg

Blair neglected to mention that like Iraq during the final leg of
Saddam's tenure Iran has begun selling its oil in euros, thus
undermining the petrodollar.

In the meantime, the US and Britain are moving warships to the Gulf to
join the aircraft carrier Eisenhower and the US is set to send more
troops to neighbouring Iraq, despite General John Abizaid's insistence
that more isn't necessary. This is naked aggression with the
possibility of a disastrous outcome - yet another all out war.

Right-wing Israeli elements that view Tehran as an existential threat
have been pushing for a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities
for some time, warning that if the US doesn't move Israel might do the
job itself. The US Vice-President Dick Cheney has made similar warning
noises in the past.

Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector turned peace activist and
author of Target Iran: The Truth about the White House's plans for
regime change believes there is no evidence to suggest Iran is pursuing
anything other than a nuclear programme for civilian purposes.

He suggests both CIA and Mossad agents are swarming all over Iran but
have been unable to unearth any proof of nefarious activity other than
deep underground tunnels.

During a conversation with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh,
broadcast on Democracy Now, Ritter puts Washington's anti-Iran
sabre-rattling down to a nexus between the neoconservatives and the
right-wing of Israel's Likud Party.

As occurred in Iraq, Ritter says the White House is hyping the Iranian
nuclear peril as an excuse for its real neoconservative-inspired goal
regime change as part of the broader pursuit of global hegemony.

Unfortunately, the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has played
right into the hands of his enemies with his anti-Israeli rhetoric that
gave grist to the Bush administration's mill when negotiating the UNSC
Resolution.

Israeli and right-wing American spokespeople are working the "wipe
Israel off the map" statement as hard as they can as "evidence" that
Israel is seriously menaced. It's ironic that while Iran does not
possess that kind of capability Israel does and showed its willingness
to use it in 1973 and 1991 when the country was on nuclear alert.

If either the US and its allies or Israel decides to strike Iranian
nuclear facilities, comparisons with Iraq will end there. The sectarian
conflict that has possessed Iraq will likely ignite the entire region
where nations will be asked to take sides. Worse, in some cases public
sentiments and governmental policies could deviate.

Washington and Tel Aviv, aided by London, are taking this region on a
collision course. Arab League Secretary-General Amr Mousa once warned
that the invasion of Iraq would open the gates to Hell.

They opened alright but if there is war with Iran they may take a long
time to swing shut.

Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs. She can
be contacted at lheard@gulfnews.com

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15986.htm



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 Iran: U.N. Ignoring Israeli Nuke Program


By SARAH DiLORENZO


UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Iran denounced U.N. sanctions imposed on its
nuclear program Saturday, accusing the Security Council of double
standards for ignoring Israel's apparent recent admission of its
nuclear capabilities.

Speaking after the Security Council unanimously adopted the resolution,
Iran's U.N. ambassador called the sanctions illegal and accused Europe
and the United States of trying to prevent Iran from pursuing peaceful
nuclear technology.

"A nation is being punished for exercising its inalienable rights,"
said Javad Zarif, accusing the council of acting at the "behest of a
dangerous regime with aggression and war crimes as its signature brand
of behavior," referring to Israel.

Earlier this month, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert appeared to
abandon Israel's long-standing policy of ambiguity on nuclear weapons
when he listed Israel among countries that possess them. His office
maintains his comments were misinterpreted.


The sanctions were intended to pressure Iran to suspend uranium
enrichment, a technology can be used to produce nuclear fuel for
civilian purposes or for a nuclear bomb. Iran says its program is
intended for peaceful purposes, while the United States and its
European allies suspect its ultimate goal is to build a bomb.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry said the government would defy the
resolution and continue enriching uranium.

"Iran considers the new U.N. Security Council resolution ... an
extralegal act outside the frame of its responsibilities and against
the U.N. Charter," the ministry said. "The Iranian nation, relying on
its national capabilities and within the framework of its rights
stipulated in the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, will continue its
peaceful nuclear activities."

Zarif's speech was filled with lists of grievances: allegations of war
crimes and nuclear irresponsibility by Israel, Iranian proposals he
claims were ignored by the Europeans and Americans, and crimes against
Iran he charged were ignored by the Security Council.

In an emotional moment, Zarif remembered a colleague, Mahdi Vahidi, who
recently died from cancer he said was caused by chemical weapons used
by Iraq against Iran during their 1980-88 war. He said the council,
because it failed to take action against Iraq at the time, "shouldered
responsibility" for Vihidi's and others' deaths.

Zarif also questioned the sincerity of the Security Council's claim
that it wanted Iran to suspend enrichment in order to build confidence
and trust between Iran and the international community.

The United States'"stated objective has always been to use the council
as an instrument of pressure and intimidation to compel Iran to abandon
its rights," Zarif said. "Knowing their bright recent history, we can
all assume what the unstated objective is."

Iran has said it intends to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment
involving 3,000 centrifuges by late 2006, and then expand the program
to 54,000 centrifuges, which spin uranium gas into enriched material to
produce nuclear fuel.

Iranian nuclear officials say 54,000 centrifuges would produce enough
enriched uranium to fuel a 1,000-megawatt reactor, such as the one Iran
has built with Russian assistance at Bushehr, southern Iran. The
reactor is due to begin operating next year.


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20061223/D8M6S4Q00.html


Iran backed dangerously into a corner

By Linda S. Heard

12/25/06 "Gulf News" --- - American and Israeli machinations have once
more put this region under threat. Following months of barking from
Bolton the bulldog the United Nations Security Council has unanimously
passed a resolution designed to slow the Iranian nuclear programme.

It isn't as comprehensive as the former US ambassador to the UN John
Bolton and his masters would have liked, concentrating, as it does, on
banning the import and export of nuclear-related materials and freezing
the assets of certain companies, but it's the best he could prize out
of reluctant China and Russia.

Moscow held out the longest and only caved in after a call made by
George W. Bush to the Russian President Vladimir Putin. One is driven
to wonder about other topics discussed: Russia's proposed WTO
membership, perhaps?

Israel is ecstatic at this rap over the knuckles and the Bush
administration is already touting the resolution as a positive first
step towards comprehensive sanctions.

For Iraq watchers this is d=C3=A9j=C3 vu. Here we go again. Another of the
region's main players becomes an official pariah, scolded and condemned
for enriching uranium, which it has an inalienable right to do under
Article 4 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Another, Israel, overturned its policy of nuclear ambiguity when its
prime minister inadvertently admitted his country's capability and the
so-called international community plays deaf and dumb.

Iran has responded predictably to the sanctions. The country's
authorised nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani said Iran is even more set
on realising its nuclear aims than before while Foreign Minister
Mohammad Ali Hussaini vows to revise Iran's relationship with the
international nuclear watchdog the IAEA. Plus there is talk that Iran
may expel the ambassadors of nations with a seat on the UNSC.

In other words, instead of opening up, Iran feels unfairly singled out
and under siege. It's little wonder, therefore, that it's poised to
withdraw further into its own shell and accelerate its nuclear
programme with the addition of 52,000 centrifuges.

In the meantime, Britain's Tony Blair has become an expert
flip-flopper.

Just a few weeks ago he was advocating unconditional direct talks with
Iran but then he went to Washington where he was assigned a new
message: Iran is the obstacle to peace in the Middle East by supporting
terrorists in Iraq, attempting to oust Lebanon's democratically-elected
government, and denying the Holocaust.

Moderate Muslim states should unite in combating extremist regimes,
such as Iran's, Blair said.

Final leg

Blair neglected to mention that like Iraq during the final leg of
Saddam's tenure Iran has begun selling its oil in euros, thus
undermining the petrodollar.

In the meantime, the US and Britain are moving warships to the Gulf to
join the aircraft carrier Eisenhower and the US is set to send more
troops to neighbouring Iraq, despite General John Abizaid's insistence
that more isn't necessary. This is naked aggression with the
possibility of a disastrous outcome - yet another all out war.

Right-wing Israeli elements that view Tehran as an existential threat
have been pushing for a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities
for some time, warning that if the US doesn't move Israel might do the
job itself. The US Vice-President Dick Cheney has made similar warning
noises in the past.

Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector turned peace activist and
author of Target Iran: The Truth about the White House's plans for
regime change believes there is no evidence to suggest Iran is pursuing
anything other than a nuclear programme for civilian purposes.

He suggests both CIA and Mossad agents are swarming all over Iran but
have been unable to unearth any proof of nefarious activity other than
deep underground tunnels.

During a conversation with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh,
broadcast on Democracy Now, Ritter puts Washington's anti-Iran
sabre-rattling down to a nexus between the neoconservatives and the
right-wing of Israel's Likud Party.

As occurred in Iraq, Ritter says the White House is hyping the Iranian
nuclear peril as an excuse for its real neoconservative-inspired goal
regime change as part of the broader pursuit of global hegemony.

Unfortunately, the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has played
right into the hands of his enemies with his anti-Israeli rhetoric that
gave grist to the Bush administration's mill when negotiating the UNSC
Resolution.

Israeli and right-wing American spokespeople are working the "wipe
Israel off the map" statement as hard as they can as "evidence" that
Israel is seriously menaced. It's ironic that while Iran does not
possess that kind of capability Israel does and showed its willingness
to use it in 1973 and 1991 when the country was on nuclear alert.

If either the US and its allies or Israel decides to strike Iranian
nuclear facilities, comparisons with Iraq will end there. The sectarian
conflict that has possessed Iraq will likely ignite the entire region
where nations will be asked to take sides. Worse, in some cases public
sentiments and governmental policies could deviate.

Washington and Tel Aviv, aided by London, are taking this region on a
collision course. Arab League Secretary-General Amr Mousa once warned
that the invasion of Iraq would open the gates to Hell.

They opened alright but if there is war with Iran they may take a long
time to swing shut.

Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs. She can
be contacted at lheard@gulfnews.com

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15986.htm



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: ILLITERATE DRAHSIR, LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE
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Tilly wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Tilly wrote:
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > Russians have just released the books of Auschwitz, which indicate
> > > > that 304,000 people died there. Half of them Jews.
> > >
> > >
> > > Link?
> > > Evidence?  (let me guess pravda.ru?)
> >
> > hell of a lot more relible than CNN
>
> Just as I thought, Pravda .ru.
> 
 JUST AS I THOUGHT YOUR BRAIN IS AS STALE AS YOUR FANNY



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: NO, GEORGE DAVID IRVING IS NOT A RACIST,
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 YOU ARE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,us.politics
Subject: Re: Jews move to Israel (Gute Reise)
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Salah Jafar wrote:
> In the Quran, The Moslem holy bible, it said, All Jews shall return to the
> land of Palestine. It will be the last place the Jews will ever see.
> Palestine shall be their burial ground. But according the Sheikh Nasrollah,
> he said, when we take back Palestine, no bones of the Jews will be left in
> Palestine. The German must assume responsibilities for their native
> children.
>
> SJ
Kikes are running away, they know what is coming

Successful Israelis relinquish citizenship

Interior Ministry reports 775 Israelis - mostly young, educated and
well-to-do - chose to forego their Israeli citizenship in 2006. 'They
are the cream of the crop, we would have liked to see them here,'
official says.

Nurit Palter
Published: 12.27.06, 09:06

In 2006, 775 Israelis asked to relinquish their Israeli citizenship, a
slight drop in comparison to 2005, when 808 Israelis chose to forego
their citizenship.

The applicants were typically young, educated and well-to-do, and most
of them reside in the United States, Germany, Australia, Britain and
Holland.

According to the Interior Ministry, applicants usually choose to
relinquish their Israeli citizenship in order to be granted citizenship
in the country where they currently live, or due to their desire to
receive security clearance in their place of work.

Dora Schwartz, head of the citizenship department at the Interior
Ministry, said that "the Israelis who forego their citizenship are the
cream of the crop of the State of Israel : Educated, young and
successful."

"Unfortunately, the statistics show that many middle-class Israelis
today prefer an American or European citizenship to an Israeli one,"
she added.

"This is a population we would have liked to see in the country. This
is the generation of the future. We see what kinds of positions and
jobs they receive abroad. For instance, they are required to relinquish
their citizenship in order to work in Capitol Hill or serve in
prestigious positions in the American military or the White House,"
Schwartz explained.

LINK



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Tilly wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> 
>
> > JEWISH DOCTORS EVERYWHERE ARE CORRUPT AND HAVE NO ETIQUETTE
>
> Another keeper!
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tilly_Gr@Removethis.gmail.com
THAT IS NOT VENCEREMOS COMMENT IDIOT. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO
NAVIGATE GOOGLE



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Heinrich wrote:
> http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=e39So8qDhdA

Happens to the best of criminals



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Subject: NANAIMO PEOPLE HATE JEWS, IT IS NO CRIME
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <1167195073.260004.305670@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> ojumomo@yahoo.com  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >DAVID iRVING IS NOT A RACIST BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION, YOU LAZY
> >PIG HAVE NEVER READ ANYTHING HE HAS WRITTEN OBVIOUSLY
>
> David Irving was found to be a racist by a London High Court Judge,
> and his finding was confirmed on Appeal.

LIAR MCVAY!  IRVING WAS UNABLE TO PROVE NEGATIVE IN THE COURT. HE WAS
NOT FOUND TO BE A RACIST BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION. BUT AS YOU KNOW
THERE IS NO LOVE LOST BETWEEN THE JEWS AND PEOPLE OF NANAIMO, EITHER



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Heinrich wrote:
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - Israel's No. 2 carrier, Israir Airlines, is permanently
> installing a handwritten Torah scroll on board one of its aircraft, marking
> the first "Sky Torah" in aviation history, the airline said on Wednesday.
>
> The scroll, which was created for the airline in Aventura, Florida, will
> begin its journey to Israel on Thursday with a ceremony at New York's John
> F. Kennedy International Airport.
>
> At the ceremony, the Torah will be carried under a traditional chuppah, or
> canopy.
>
> Israir expects the Sky Torah, as the carrier calls it, to be a welcome
> service for orthodox Jewish passengers on its flights between New York and
> Tel Aviv, a spokesman said.
>
> The Torah will be housed in a compartment on the plane and will be
> accessible through a flight attendant.
>
> A Torah scroll, made up of the Five Books of Moses, is the holiest book of
> Judaism. It takes about one year for a scribe to write a Torah scroll, the
> company said.
>
> The airline, which operates four flights a week between New York and Tel
> Aviv, said the onboard Torah will enhance the prayers of its passengers at a
> time they are closer to God.
\
I wonder how close to Good would they be if US Navy makes another
"mistake" like they did with EgyptAir.



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 McVay loves to portray anyone who has no time for kikes as a "hate
monger and racist

> >LIAR MCVAY!  IRVING WAS UNABLE TO PROVE NEGATIVE IN THE COURT. HE WAS
> >NOT FOUND TO BE A RACIST BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION. BUT AS YOU KNOW
> >THERE IS NO LOVE LOST BETWEEN THE JEWS AND PEOPLE OF NANAIMO, EITHER
>                  http://www.nizkor.org/



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Gary Renzetti wrote:
> Dr. Henry Mogentaler is an excellent human being who has performed an
> incredible service to the women of Canada and deserves a medal for his
> self-sacrifice. The man is a hero!
>
> Gary B Renzetti
Morgentaller is a murderer and desrves to hang like Saddam. He killed
more babies than Hitler did



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:01:15 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: NANAIMO PEOPLE HATE JEWS, IT IS NO CRIME
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> > > In article <1167195073.260004.305670@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> > > ojumomo@yahoo.com  wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >DAVID iRVING IS NOT A RACIST BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION, YOU LAZY
> > > >PIG HAVE NEVER READ ANYTHING HE HAS WRITTEN OBVIOUSLY
> > >
> > > David Irving was found to be a racist by a London High Court Judge,
> > > and his finding was confirmed on Appeal.
> >
> > LIAR MCVAY!  IRVING WAS UNABLE TO PROVE NEGATIVE IN THE COURT. HE WAS
> > NOT FOUND TO BE A RACIST BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION. BUT AS YOU KNOW
> > THERE IS NO LOVE LOST BETWEEN THE JEWS AND PEOPLE OF NANAIMO, EITHER
>    He sued Deborah Lipstadt for libel.
>
>    He lost.
>
>    Read the judge's ruling.
>
>
>  Michael
I saw no references to any criminal activity by Irving. Jewish money
can pin a libel on anyone



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From: "Venceremos" 
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> I am surprised that they did not bring Saddam over and make him
> Noriegas' cell mate.

They shoul have brought Sharo, to stink up the place



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ed wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1167499492.538823.232080@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Ed wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
> >> news:1167497261.730110.236040@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Figures.  It seems the more brutal, bloodthirsty and cruel a person
> >> >> is,
> >> >
> >> > ARE YOU REFERING TO GEORGE BUSH OR ADOLF SHARON?
> >
> > i SEE THAT YOU ARE, THEY ARE THE ONLY MASS MURDERERS OUT THERE
>
 GEORGE BUSH AND aDOLF sHARON (IF HE EVER WAKES UP) WILL FACE THE SAME
NOOSE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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>    Irving was unable to pin a libel suit on Lipstadt.
>
>
>  Michael
All this Holocaust crap is political in nature. Right now the kikes
have the upper hand and they set the rules




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