Path: hub.org!hub.org!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Jacob Minsky) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Jews, Bolshevism, blah, blah... References: <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net>
<380F06B7.769DE936@usaor.net> Reply-To: email@example.com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (Windows) Lines: 135 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:25:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 220.127.116.11 X-Complaints-To: firstname.lastname@example.org X-Trace: news.rdc1.nj.home.com 940627509 18.104.22.168 (Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:25:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:25:09 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: hub.org sci.skeptic:376139 On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ipm wrote: >Jacob Minsky wrote: >> Why if it isn't Roger Hughes/Bob Dawgson/William Scott/whatever the >> hell *still* posting the same garbage after all these years! >As long as the truth is suppressed, I'll be in here exposing it. I see. So when three of you knuckle-draggers (under nine or so different aliases) spam-bomb a newsgroup with stupid lies and forgeries, this is supposed to be seen as behavior of brave Aryan warriors robed in truth. >> It was previously pointed out to Scott/Ian/Roger that there was no >> governmental organ that consisted of 384 people, that the "negroes" and >> "Chinamen" among the commissars are pure fantasy (as are American Jews), >> that one can easily name more than 13 Russian commissars, and that, in >> general, only a complete idiot who was also illiterate and ignorant >> could belive any of this. Upon being asked to name these "negroes," >> "Chinamen," American Jews - at least some of them - and give some >> relevant dates and documentation, Roger/Ian/Whatever would run off and >> come back later to post more lies and forgeries. >Well, too bad the people who were in Russia at the time disagree with you. The "just say SOMETHING" technique of racist morons: make some comment, no matter how inane it is, and maybe you can fool at least some of the people into thinking that you actually responded. Are we going to hear who those 15 "Chinaman" commissars were or not? And what government organ did they all belong to? [more of the same] >> But this is not to say that there is nothing in the newspaper about Jews >> and Bolsheviks. In fact, there is a regular column on the subject that >> appears in every issue in 1919. Thing is, it is dedicated to *refuting* >> the lies that Ian is peddling now. A representative (and particularly >> good) article appears in the December 12 issue. I'll quote it from my >> message (at http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530021048). >> >> The systematic attempts that are now being made >> to identify the Jews of Russia with the Bolshevists, >> to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement, and >> thus to hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy >> and attack, are based solely upon the fact that a >> certain number of prominent Bolshevist Commissaries >> are of Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never >> been denied,have been built up all sorts of fanatastic >> accusations, such as that the Jews wish to wreak >> revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom, >> and that they aim at sweeping away Christian >> civilization so as to enthrone Judaism as the dominant >> faith throughout the world. How utterly absurd these >> calumnies are, and how grotesquely exaggerated are >> most of the stories of Jewish participation in >> Bolshevism can be proved by an unimpassioned >> examination of the ascertainable facts and figures. > >Oh, so here we have some Jews denying Jewish involevment in Bolshevism. >Sure, we can trust them. I see that you figure that nobody is still following what you write - and maybe you are right, given how incredibly boring and stupid you are. But just for the sake of completeness, let's go over what you pretend not to notice: 1) You "quoted" the Jewish Chronicle (London) as follows: "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919) 2) I made the following claims, which can be verified without too much difficulty: a) The Jewish Chronicle did not come out on April 4, 1919. b) Such a quote does not appear in the issues of Jewish Chronicle around that date. c) The Jewish Chronicle was at the time publishing a regular feature on "Jews and Bolshevism," the purpose of which was to refute precisely those lies that you peddle. Do you think anybody will ever believe one of your "quotes" again? Do you think they will be more likely to believe if you pretend to respond by deleting all this and typing some inanity in response? >> >"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet >> >communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of >> >the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) >> >> As I pointed out to some other knuckle-dragger who tried this stunt >> before you did, somebody pawed a decimal point here: it wasn't 52%, >> it was 5.2%. I guess I can understand your hatred of decimal points >> though - if it wasn't for them, you could say that the average neo-Nazi >> has 15 functioning neurons in his brain. > >I will definitely check that source again, Oh, it's been checked. In fact, it had its ticket punched and checked out permanently. "Stuart Kahan" is a rather well known fraud. >but you not so cleverly selected only a few quotes, how about all >the rest? Obviously, you had no luck with those. But I'll through >in a few more anyway. What "all the rest"? Do you think I have all day for this crap? I took several which I think are perfectly representative and showed everyone what they are worth; I omitted the more irrelevant and incoherent stuff that you cribbed from the likes of "Tavish." I certainly do not intend to check all "quotes" submitted by a known liar and forger - it's too time consuming, and most of the material is utterly irrelevant. A good example is the crap you posted below. The most recognizable quote is this: >You accuse us of stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the >charge. What of it?...You make much noise and fury about undue Jewish >influence in your theaters and movie palaces. Very good; granted your >complaint is well founded. But WHAT IS THAT COMPARED TO OUR STAGGERING >INFLUENCE IN YOUR CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, YOUR LAWS AND YOUR GOVERNMENT, AND THE >VERY THOUGHTS YOU THINK EVERY DAY?- - (Marcus Eli Ravage, member of the >staff of the New York Tribune, "A Real Case Against the Jews," in Century >Magazine, January-February, 1928). - and it's actually not fake! That's right, a genuine quote! Of course, it comes from a hilarious satire on exactly the kind of nonsense that RogerIan McKinneyScott is trying to sell now (Marcus Eli Ravage proves that the entire Western civilization is a Jewish conspiracy), but then nobody ever accused Notional Appliance loons of having enough brains even to recognize that someone is making fun of them. Your slimy hole under a rock awaits you, WillyRoger. -- Jacob. "What part of English I ain't talking to y'all??"
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