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steve wolk wrote in message <381D10BA.E06BC571@erols.com>...

>These Jews can only conceive that the problem is with everyone else,
>never
>> with them.
>
>Which Jews are these?


Virtually every version of history presented by the Jews invariably has Jews
as innocent, inoffensive, and powerless victims and the goyim as evil,
ignorant, and vicious persecutors.


> Accepting responsibility or just acknowledging that Jews have
>> done some rotten thinks is simply impossible for them.
>
>I don't recall anyone here saying Jews were perfect.

No, but anytime someone tries to expose Jewish crimes against the goyim, we
see the same old universal denial and attacks from the Jews. I don't care
what it is, with very few exceptions, the Jews simply will not own up to
anything they've done.



>If you hate every
>ethnic group that had some rotten members, you'd hate them all.
>Including the white ones.  So how come you don't hate all whites?  Are
>they all perfect?  No rotten ones?


I don't hate the Jews, (Blacks, or any other race as a group). I recognize,
however, that the Jews have been very disproportionately involved in
subversive activities. I only want to live without Jews being in control of
all these important areas of the society. What's so wrong with that? I've
lived long enough to see many negative changes in America, and it seems Jews
are almost always the the ones most strongly pushing these changes. Is that
my fault? Should I just ignore what my eyes and brain tell me because
someone might call me an anti-Semite?



> have done and are doing
>> and just shut up and get your mind on a ball game.
>
>
>
>No, what I meant was what I said.  You're not good enough to compete
>because you're afraid to compete.  I'm not afraid to compete - with
>anybody.

Compete for what? Besides that, you know nothing about me.



>I made it in this world honestly despite coming up against
>some bastards (Jews and Gentiles both) who would have wrapped you around
>their little fingers.

Ok, but what the hell have you done for your race?



> No, Willi, your hatred isn't legitimate.  You
>can't make it and you can't accept the blame for your own failure.  So
>it's always easy to find someone else to blame.  YOU are the loser,
>Willi.  Like I said before - no  money, no power, no prospects.  Just a
>loser who uses a keyboard instead of his head.


You've got the worldview of a young child. Do you ever concern yourself with
anything other than your egotistical needs and ambitions? The Jews haven't
gotten where they have and accumulated their vast power by operating or
thinking as individuals. No, they are always conscious of the fact that they
are Jews and will always feel a comradery with another Jew no matter if that
Jew is rich and successful or poor. That's the Jew's secret. Not that their
all that smarter, but that they have group consciousness and are organized
on that premise.







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Orac wrote:

> Thinking that the world revolves around one's races and absolving oneself
> of blame by blaming others is hardly unique to any race.

The Jews are the best known for doing it, that is certainly true.



> In fact, white
> power rangers such as yourself are far better at it than any Jew. You
> think that the world owes you a "white homeland,"

Not at all. But we have a right to work for one. Nobody "owes" us anything. We
don't want anything other than to be left alone.



> and you absolve
> yourselves of blame for your own failures by placing the blame on the
> eeeevvvviiiill Jews, blacks, or "mud people."

Wrong again. I don't blame these people. I blame Whites for allowing them to gain
power and influence over us. Why would I expect a Black to be concerned with
helping the White race? My spreading of information on the problems caused by these
groups is not to blame them, but to make the situation clear that unless we Whites
stand up for our own rights, then nobody else will. Also that all other groups look
out for their group interests and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. White
people do the saem or we will be stripped of our power, have our culture destroyed,
and our race will become extinct.



> Oh, no, it can't be *your*
> fault that things aren't going the way you would like, even though whites
> are still the wealthiest and most privileged race in the U.S.

I think you better check your facts. Jews are the wealthiest group.



> If you can't
> succeed, even with all those advantages, it MUST be the fault of others.
> It must be the fault of the Jews or the blacks. It must be some
> international conspiracy.

I just look at the facts. If they lead to certain conclusions, then I follow and
form my opinions accordingly.




> Self-pity would seem to be a prerequisite for becoming a white power ranger.

I notice very little self-pity among White racialists. That's the realm of the Jews
and other minorities.


--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> >
> > I knew one Jewish woman, a girlfriend of a friend of mine, who became upset
> > everytime we tried to discuss the holocaust. I don't even think she lost any
> > relatives in WW2 which is why her reaction kind of struck me a strange. It was
> > like she was programmed to react that way. Of course, she was extremely liberal on
> > nearly everything and seemed to get very upset over any opinion that wasn't
> > politically correct.
>
> Can you really not understand why a person would be emotionally upset over an attempt
> to eradicate her people? Hell, I get pissed off at the British (sorry Fergus) for the
> Irish Potato Famine, and that was last *century.* This young lady has probably read
> some of the literature, seen the photos and films, and takes it very personally that
> an entire nation--within memory of the living--planned to annihilate all of her
> people. I mean, had they succeeded, she would not exist. Something like that can hit
> you very deeply.

This woman wasn't young, but late 40s when I know here. Secondly, I've talked to other
Jews and they seemed to be rational on the subject of the holocaust.

As far as her being upset over an attempt to eradicat her people, well, since you
obviously think that's something legitament to get upset about, what about all the
government policies now in place which will effectively destroy MY people if they are
allowed to remain in effect and carried to their logical conclusions? How about an
immigration policy which practically guarantees that White people will be a minority in
their own country within the next 75 years? I'm not going to get hysterical or emotional
over that, I'm more interested in doing what I can as an average White person to help my
fellow Whites to understand the consequences of their inaction and to realize that the
only way we will survive is to adopt the same strategies as all other racial/ethnic
groups: solidarity and the willingness to stand up for our interests. Above all, we must
reject this damned guilt-mongering, intimidation, and lying by Jews and the other
minorities. Its either that or our race will be totally disposessed, made extinct, and
eventually forgotten.



> Doesn't mean it hits everyone like that. One friend of mine is rather detached and
> analytical about the whole subject. (That is because Jews are individuals--not the
> Borg. They really don't all think and act alike.)

Yes, the Jews are made up as individuals, but individual Jews. That's what's signifcant.




> > > I have afeeling you will suddenly discover ALL jews are "obnoxious" - they
> > > fail to agree you discovered the awful truth about the evil jewish
> > > holohoax media world domination plan!
> >
> > I didn't say that ALL Jews are obnoxious. I'm talking about Jews as a whole. As a
> > whole Jews tend to be obnoxious, arrogant, and pushy.
>
> I think you may have simply been exposed to the stereotypical "New York Jew" that has
> been a mainstay  of films and TV for the last, ohhh, fifty years or so. Honestly,
> though I hate to say it, I know a Jewish guy from New York who is, well, arrogant and
> sometimes obnoxious. He's also one of my best friends, is one of the most charitable
> people I have ever met, has deep concerns and kindnesses towards all people, is a
> great friend to the working man, is highly intelligent and VERY respectful of others'
> opinions.

I'm not talking about obnoxious on an individual way. I know plenty of obnoxious getiles.
I mean obnoxious as a group. Compare Asians to Jews, since their respective numbers are
about the same. How many times do you hear about Asians demanding apologies from someone
making a public statement. Do we see the government full of Asians? Do we have hundreds
of Asian pressure groups? Do we have an Asian ADL snooping around in people's lives and
intimidating anyone who says something they don't like? Do we have Asian lobby groups
pressuring the goverment to give billions of dollars to Japan or Korea? Do we have the
information and entertainment media dominated by Asians? Is criticising Asians forbidden
like it is to criticise Jews? Do we have Asians organizing in attempts to swing
elections? Do we have Asians extorting money out of governments around the world? I could
go on and on with more conparisons, but you should get the point.




> By the way--just because it's true--I also know quiet, thoughtful, unpresuming Jewish
> folks. Chances are you have too, but never noticed them because your mind is trained
> only to notice the Jews who annoy you.

I notice what Jews do politically as a group. If I meet a Jew on the street, I treat him
more or less like anyone else.



> Jews are like anyone, Red. Honestly.

No they're not. With only comparatively few exceptions they operate as a block. They vote
more or less as a block. They're extremely well organized and always on the alert for any
public statement not favorable to Jews, and then go on the attack using political smears,
intimidation, and blackmail. People slam rednecks all the time and virtually any White
group with impunity, but not Jews. Nobody can criticize Jews. One can even get away with
criticizing Blacks far easier than Jews. Someone say publicly that Black crime is very
bad or that the Black illegitimacy rate is out of control, but no one can get away with
saying anything derogatory about Jews, I don't care who they are. To question our policy
in the Mid East and suggest that we should show less favor towards Israel is to be
accused of anti-Semitism. Look at the attacks on Buchanan. I don't believe Buchanan is
anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has many Jewish friends and even some of his closest
advisors are Jews.



> > No, probably half the Jews I've known knew pretty well what my opinions were.
> > Others, the topic never came up. Its not like the first thing I say to a Jew is
> > "Hey, what do you think about the holocaust?" Surprisingly, probably some of the
> > most frank discussions I've had on the holocaust were with one conservative Jew.
> > You might be interested to know that while he strongly disliked Hitler, he put a
> > lot of the blame for what happened in Germany at the door of leftist and Marxist
> > Jews. I think he believed that if more German Jews had been like him - socially
> > conservative and patriotic, there wouldn't have been an anti-Jewish reaction in
> > the first place. He probably has a point on that.
>
> Highly doubtful. After all, Jewish war heroes of World War 1, who fought and were
> injured and suffered for their country, went to the camps like any other Jews.

Yes, because so many other Jews were leading Marxist revolutionaries and spreading every
kind of subversive attitude there was. If Jews were like everybody else, nobody would
have any more objection to them than any other White ethnic group.



> > No, you people bring out the worst in anyone due to your nasty attitude and
> > constant insults. Believe me, Nizkor does nothing to help the imagine of Jews. If
> > anything, you people constantly reaffirm anti-Jewish ideas.
>
> Yet you have conversations with Jews who do not have nasty attitudes and don't insult
> constantly. It's just a matter of widening your view of people. Look at Jews as
> individuals, without imposing on them the template of the Evil Jew, and you may
> discover that Jews are as diverse as any other group.
>
> I honestly hope I am not casting this on deaf ears.

Quit assuming that I don't really know any Jews. I do. I went to school with Jews. I've
met Jews in my daily life. I even have a relative who converted and married a Jew. You're
totally presumptuous about my experiences with Jews. Regardless of that I still can read
and observe and through that I know what Jews do through their hundreds of organizations.

--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara Salzman wrote:


> Agreed. we're also delighted to have YOU working for us. Keep it up! Once
> you get KKKadach convinced you're for real, we'll be ready to start on his
> brainwashing.
>
> Sara

Sara, I have to ask this. Do you ever post anything worth reading or do you
really think these little stupid quips contribute anything of substance to
these discussions? Even Brown tries to say something intelligent every now and
then.

--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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John Morris wrote:

> In  in sci.skeptic, on Sun, 31 Oct
> 1999 20:03:55 -0500, William Scott aka Roger Hughes aka Ian P.
> McKinney aka "morgan"  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> So, William, are we supposed to believe that "morgan" is a first name
> or a last name?

Don't have an orgasm. I'm helping out a friend who is having trouble
getting his news reader set-up. I'm posting through his account to make
sure everything works.

--
Regards,
ipm
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"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> > >THe book exists. I have seen it.
> >
> > You're a liar, Philllips. Your claims are worthless. Produce a physical copy.
> >
> > JGB
>
> ==========================================
> Phillips
>
> Tell you what you do. Phone IHR at (949) 631-1490 and request the book.
> If they don't have it in stock, ask if it can be back-ordered.

I have the book right in front of me now. The quote is on page 155.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > steve wolk wrote in message <381D10BA.E06BC571@erols.com>...
> >
> > >These Jews can only conceive that the problem is with everyone else,
> > >never
> > >> with them.
> > >
> > >Which Jews are these?
> >
> > Virtually every version of history presented by the Jews invariably has Jews
> > as innocent, inoffensive, and powerless victims and the goyim as evil,
> > ignorant, and vicious persecutors.
>
> Please supply one example.

Take the holocaust for example. Never any serious analysis of the forces leading
to this conflict between Jews and Germans. Just the simplistic propaganda
rationale that Hitler hated Jews. Hitler was the most evil man who ever lived.
Sorry, but maybe that explanation satisfies idiots and couch potatoes, but I think
any thinking ought to demand more.




> > Accepting responsibility or just acknowledging that Jews have
> > >> done some rotten thinks is simply impossible for them.
>
> Your proof for this is....?

You're got to be kidding? Look at how you Nizkooks deny the Jewish connection to
Marxism.




> I don't recall anyone here saying Jews were perfect.
> >
> > No, but anytime someone tries to expose Jewish crimes against the goyim, we
> > see the same old universal denial and attacks from the Jews. I don't care
> > what it is, with very few exceptions, the Jews simply will not own up to
> > anything they've done.
>
> Please supply just one example.

Marxism.



> > >If you hate every
> > >ethnic group that had some rotten members, you'd hate them all.
> > >Including the white ones.  So how come you don't hate all whites?  Are
> > >they all perfect?  No rotten ones?
> >
> > I don't hate the Jews, (Blacks, or any other race as a group). I recognize,
> > however, that the Jews have been very disproportionately involved in
> > subversive activities. I only want to live without Jews being in control of
> > all these important areas of the society. What's so wrong with that? I've
> > lived long enough to see many negative changes in America, and it seems Jews
> > are almost always the the ones most strongly pushing these changes. Is that
> > my fault? Should I just ignore what my eyes and brain tell me because
> > someone might call me an anti-Semite?
>
> You didn't answer the question.  You're just repeating yourself.

You're the one repeating yourself.



> > >I made it in this world honestly despite coming up against
> > >some bastards (Jews and Gentiles both) who would have wrapped you around
> > >their little fingers.
> >
> > Ok, but what the hell have you done for your race?
>
> I have done more for the human race than you ever will.

Don't talk to me about the "human race." I want to know what you've done for your
White race.



> I am concerned
> with everyone, regardless of color.  I do not spread lies and I do
> preach hatred against anyone.  Even you.  And I do not hide behind a
> nym.

I don't spread hatred. I spead truth. If the truth makes some people embarrassed
by their actions, then they should correct their actions not demand that I stop
exposing their actions.




> No, Willi, your hatred isn't legitimate.  You
> > >can't make it and you can't accept the blame for your own failure.  So
> > >it's always easy to find someone else to blame.  YOU are the loser,
> > >Willi.  Like I said before - no  money, no power, no prospects.  Just a
> > >loser who uses a keyboard instead of his head.
> >
> > You've got the worldview of a young child. Do you ever concern yourself with
> > anything other than your egotistical needs and ambitions? The Jews haven't
> > gotten where they have and accumulated their vast power by operating or
> > thinking as individuals. No, they are always conscious of the fact that they
> > are Jews and will always feel a comradery with another Jew no matter if that
> > Jew is rich and successful or poor. That's the Jew's secret. Not that their
> > all that smarter, but that they have group consciousness and are organized
> > on that premise.
>
> You disapprove of this for Jews but you want to establish the same sort
> of behavior for your white race.  How strange it is that you don't see
> the contradictions in your "logic".

There's no contradiction at all. I never said that what the Jews do is wrong per
se, only that their behavior is incompatible with the White Aryan society. The
Jews are perfectly welcome to practice their behaviors amongst themselves. I don't
are, but for Jews to practice ethnic solidarity while attacking anyone else for
doing it is extreme hypocrisy.



>  And please explain to me why the
> Jews should not be always conscious that they are Jews.  If that is
> wrong, why is it right for you to be conscious of your whiteness?  Are
> they supposed to be unconscious of being Jews?  What should they be
> conscious of being instead?  Rastafarians?  Willi, you are really one
> mixed-up dude.

I'm not mixed up. I say if solidarity is good for Jews, Blacks, or whomever, its
also good for White Aryans. The issue is that only when White Aryans practice
solidarity is it called racism and hate. And its usually Jews saying that the
loudest.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > As far only way we will survive is to adopt the same strategies as all other
> racial/ethnic
> > groups: solidarity and the willingness to stand up for our interests.
>
> Solidarity and standing up for one's interest is what people like Martin
> Luther King and previously Geroge Washington did. Or, for that matter, Abe
> Lincoln. And Ghandi, Susan B. Anthony, and you name it.

Your point being what?


> All the "white racialists" ever do is deny the holocaust and whine how the
> evil jews control everything. That isn't "solidarity and standing up for
> one's interest". It's fantasy-creation and self-pity, nothing more.

No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
everything harming the White Aryan people.

Prof. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively on the various Jewish strategies and how
they impact the gentile society around them. maybe yoy should try to learn something
about that:  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> > In article <381DC60F.803317C6@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, the Jews are made up as individuals, but individual Jews. That's
> > what's signifcant.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Now THAT'S a keeper.
> >
> > Sara
>
> It's a good thing that William P. Scott and his fellow
> Neo-Nazis are so indisputably stupid. They hang themselves
> with their own words. We hardly have to do a thing to help.

Skolnick, you're about as dumb as a brick. The point I was making, which you
deliberately ignore, is no matter how one analizes Jewish group behavior,
we're still dealing with not with random individuals, but with individual
Jews who see themselves united as Jews.

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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I knew one Jewish woman, a girlfriend of a friend of mine, who became upset
> > > > everytime we tried to discuss the holocaust. I don't even think she lost any
> > > > relatives in WW2 which is why her reaction kind of struck me a strange. It was
> > > > like she was programmed to react that way. Of course, she was extremely liberal on
> > > > nearly everything and seemed to get very upset over any opinion that wasn't
> > > > politically correct.
> > >
> > > Can you really not understand why a person would be emotionally upset over an attempt
> > > to eradicate her people? Hell, I get pissed off at the British (sorry Fergus) for the
> > > Irish Potato Famine, and that was last *century.* This young lady has probably read
> > > some of the literature, seen the photos and films, and takes it very personally that
> > > an entire nation--within memory of the living--planned to annihilate all of her
> > > people. I mean, had they succeeded, she would not exist. Something like that can hit
> > > you very deeply.
> >
> > This woman wasn't young, but late 40s when I know here. Secondly, I've talked to other
> > Jews and they seemed to be rational on the subject of the holocaust.
> >
> > As far as her being upset over an attempt to eradicat her people, well, since you
> > obviously think that's something legitament to get upset about, what about all the
> > government policies now in place which will effectively destroy MY people if they are
> > allowed to remain in effect and carried to their logical conclusions?
>
> There are no destructive anti-White government policies. I challenge you to name one. And I
> do mean name, as in specifically *which* policy.

That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
minority in their own country within the next 70 years? I'd say that's a pretty anti-White
policy. Or how about all the government programs and policies which discriminate against White
people? Affirmative Action, minority set-asides, etc.



> > How about an
> > immigration policy which practically guarantees that White people will be a minority in
> > their own country within the next 75 years?
>
> This country was not some sort of guaranteed haven for whites. Remember, in order for whites
> to become predominant in the US, they had to slaughter 18 to 30 million Indians--and much of
> that WAS American policy. Just ask Andrew Jackson when he defied a Supreme Court decision
> and made war on the Seminoles.

So what?



> There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution guaranteeing that this would ever be a whites-only
> country. Some of the Founding Fathers--Ben Franklin, for one--were abolitionists. Franklin,
> in fact, was anormously pro-Semitic.

Shifting sides? Being an abolitionist doesn't mean that one wanted negroes in the country. Many
of the Founders and other famous men wanted to send all the Blacks back to Africa. Thomas
Jefferson said that Whites and Blacks couldn't live in the same country. None of them advocated
multiracialism.




> > I'm not going to get hysterical or emotional
> > over that, I'm more interested in doing what I can as an average White person to help my
> > fellow Whites to understand the consequences of their inaction and to realize that the
> > only way we will survive is to adopt the same strategies as all other racial/ethnic
> > groups: solidarity and the willingness to stand up for our interests. Above all, we must
> > reject this damned guilt-mongering, intimidation, and lying by Jews and the other
> > minorities. Its either that or our race will be totally disposessed, made extinct, and
> > eventually forgotten.
>
> But you forget: there is no "white race."

That's nonsense.




> There is an aggregation of various peoples who
> have been termed "white" only by dint of physiognomy.

That's nonsense. There's all kinds of physical and intellectual differences. IQ, suseptibility
to various diseases, size, etc.



> Culturally, white folks are much more
> disparate than they seem--there are few cultural connections between Latvians and Irish,
> between Germans and Spaniards, between Hungarians and British. Where do Italians fall?

White, duh.



> Some
> WPRs don't even consider them (or Greeks, or Spaniards) to be white. There is no clear
> definition of who or what a white person is. And funny enough, that's how it is for every
> "race."

Funny, we don't have any problem at all in determining who's White. Yoy liberals must be
awafully confused if you can identify a White person from a Black or Asian.



> > > Doesn't mean it hits everyone like that. One friend of mine is rather detached and
> > > analytical about the whole subject. (That is because Jews are individuals--not the
> > > Borg. They really don't all think and act alike.)
> >
> > Yes, the Jews are made up as individuals, but individual Jews. That's what's signifcant.
>
> Beg pard?

They're still Jews and see themselves as part of a larger Jewish community. They have a ethnic
consciousness apart from being members of the caucasian race or the nation in which they live.
They are Jews first, everything else second or third.



> > > > I didn't say that ALL Jews are obnoxious. I'm talking about Jews as a whole. As a
> > > > whole Jews tend to be obnoxious, arrogant, and pushy.
> > >
> > > I think you may have simply been exposed to the stereotypical "New York Jew" that has
> > > been a mainstay  of films and TV for the last, ohhh, fifty years or so. Honestly,
> > > though I hate to say it, I know a Jewish guy from New York who is, well, arrogant and
> > > sometimes obnoxious. He's also one of my best friends, is one of the most charitable
> > > people I have ever met, has deep concerns and kindnesses towards all people, is a
> > > great friend to the working man, is highly intelligent and VERY respectful of others'
> > > opinions.
> >
> > I'm not talking about obnoxious on an individual way. I know plenty of obnoxious getiles.
> > I mean obnoxious as a group. Compare Asians to Jews, since their respective numbers are
> > about the same. How many times do you hear about Asians demanding apologies from someone
> > making a public statement. Do we see the government full of Asians? Do we have hundreds
> > of Asian pressure groups?
>
> There're quite a few, yes.

Strange, nobody ever hears about them.



> > Do we have an Asian ADL snooping around in people's lives and
> > intimidating anyone who says something they don't like?
>
> Whose lives are the ADL snooping into? And how do they intimidate, beyond complaining?

Where have you been? The ADL was raided by the SFPD back in '92 for stealing police files and
illegally selling that info to other people. It was also exposed at that time that the ADL kept
extensive files on many thousands of Americans.



> > Do we have Asian lobby groups
> > pressuring the goverment to give billions of dollars to Japan or Korea?
>
> Yes.

Israel gets more foreign aid that almost all other nations combined. Only other country that
comes close is Egypt and they're paid to keep from attacking the Jews.



> > Do we have the
> > information and entertainment media dominated by Asians?
>
> Ask John Woo. (By the way, what you are doing is not stating truth but repeating a party
> line. the most influential news groups in the U.S. are predominantly Gentile. No joke.
> Knight-Ridder, the Tribune Company, Gannett, Fox, Turner--in fact, I read that Doubleday,
> IIRC, is owned by a GERMAN company. There are plenty of Jews in the making of films and TV,
> sure, but it is VERY largely white.)

How many movie studios, TV networks, and newspapers are owned or controlled by Asians. Besides
SONY owning a movie studio, I don't know of any. But even with SONY, they have Jews actually
running things.



> > Is criticising Asians forbidden
> > like it is to criticise Jews?
>
> If you were to criticize Asians in the same way you criticize Jews, I would be as angry.

That's a lie. People criticize our trade and aid deals with China constantly. I never hear
anyone being called anti-Asian for doing that.



> > People slam rednecks all the time and virtually any White
> > group with impunity, but not Jews.
>
> If you remove the "but not Jews" part of that statement, you're going to get some grudging
> agreement with me--mainly because I have come to resent the increasingly popular
> representation of all white males as sexist, dull, selfish, inconsiderate, emotional
> eunuchs. But I'll slam rednecks with glee because I know whereof I speak--you just have to
> trust me on this one.

Don't fool yourself. To non-whites the term redneck is nothing but a racial slur against Whites.
The same with cracker and peckerwood.



> > I don't believe Buchanan is
> > anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has many Jewish friends and even some of his closest
> > advisors are Jews.
>
> Can you name them?

I don't keep a list of them, but their existance has been confirmed by both Buchanan himself and
at least one Jewish writer that I can confirm.


> > Yes, because so many other Jews were leading Marxist revolutionaries and spreading every
> > kind of subversive attitude there was. If Jews were like everybody else, nobody would
> > have any more objection to them than any other White ethnic group.
>
> ROFLMAO!!! Well, DUH. If all blacks were white, whites wouldn't hate them either, would
> they? The only problem is, they're NOT. Why is it so hard to simply accept their
> differences? (By the way, that Bolshevik movement had a LOT of Gentiles. MOSTLY Gentiles.
> Without them, it would not have succeeded.)

It still had very disproportionate number of Jews.


> By the way, they weren't being blamed for Jews being Marxist revolutionaries. They were
> blamed for being Jews.

Marxism is a Jewish ideology. It was created by a Jew and promoted by Jews.


> > Regardless of that I still can read
> > and observe and through that I know what Jews do through their hundreds of organizations.
>
> Hundreds, huh? Can you substantiate what you just said, or is this more party-line stuff? (I
> am not being confrontational. I am seriously trying to find out how much you actually know
> versus how much you are repeating because you've never had to look into it yourself.)

Go to any library and ask for the "Encyclopedia of Organizations". In it you'll find hundreds of
Jewish organizations. I think the last time I checked back in 1993 there were over 700.

--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381DC712.ADB356A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Sara, I have to ask this. Do you ever post anything worth reading or do you
> >really think these little stupid quips contribute anything of substance to
> >these discussions? Even Brown tries to say something intelligent every now and
> >then.
> >
> Anonymous Coward:
>
> If you've got a problem, find another newsgroup to harass.
>
> None of the sci.skeptic "regulars" have ever complained about my posts...
> only the racists.

You're not too bright either. I'm not in sci.skeptic. I'm only subscribed to two
newsgroups: alt.california and alt.politics.nationalism.white.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381DCA26.913D3EAC@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
> >
> >> In  in sci.skeptic, on Sun, 31 Oct
> >> 1999 20:03:55 -0500, William Scott aka Roger Hughes aka Ian P.
> >> McKinney aka "morgan"  wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> So, William, are we supposed to believe that "morgan" is a first name
> >> or a last name?
> >
> >Don't have an orgasm. I'm helping out a friend who is having trouble
> >getting his news reader set-up. I'm posting through his account to make
> >sure everything works.
> >
> Sort-of like when I posted from my office computer instead of my laptop
> and the name is listed as "Sara" instead of "Sara Salzman"?
>
> How come you accused me of trying to "pull something"?

I don't recall ever saying that.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
> > everything harming the White Aryan people.
>
> And, as I said, not only is this a silly lie, but you obviously do
> *nothing* but repeat it ande whine about it. That's precisely what I
> meant: the white-power guys are too busy with self-pity and blaming the
> jews for everything to actually do something to "help the white race."

Ok, IYO, What should I do to help the White race?



> > Prof. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively on the various Jewish strategies and how
> > they impact the gentile society around them. maybe yoy should try to learn something
> > about that:  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm
>
> Boy, this is rich. You hate the state of Israel for being a "racsit"
> jewish state, but you hate the jews for "influenceing the gentiles around
> them" when NOT in Israel.

Look, you're confused. I don't really care how racist Israel is. My only point in talking
about Israel is to illustrate the hypocrisy of Jews. While Jews in gentile countries are
constantly beating the drum for democracy, equality, and anti-racism, their country, Israel,
is one of the most racist countries around. In many ways it imitates Hitler's National
Socialism!



> As for the book, I wish we jews actually had 1/10th of the power and
> control over the world you give us credit for.

You don't how much I agree with that.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm  wrote in message news:381F3D36.71A4E8D6@usaor.net...
>
> > Prof. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively on the various Jewish
> strategies and how
> > they impact the gentile society around them. maybe yoy should try to learn
> something
> > about that:  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm
> Note carefully that the review notes 'Jewish efforts to shape United States
> immigration policy' and explains these as being geared to 'neutralize or end
> anti-Semitism'. What he conveniently fails to mention is that such efforts
> were largely unsuccessful (as can be demonstrated with the 1924 law which
> effectively barred non Northern European immigration), and that other ethnic
> groups were understandibly also lobbying the government for policies opening
> the doors to immigration for members of their groups and ending policies
> which discriminated against them.

With regard to Jewish influence on immigration policy, we're talking about the
1965 changes that opened up America to the Third World. Even Jews admit this to
be true: "It was only after World War II that immigration law was drastically
changed....In one of the first pieces of evidence of its political
coming-of-age, the Jewish community has a leadership role in effecting those
changes." (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, July 23, 1993).

So, if anyone doesn't like our ruinous, anti-White immigration policy, thank the
Jews.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381F7647.793E51DB@stopNazi.spam.mindspring.com>, "Andrew A.
> Skolnick"  wrote:
>
> >
> >You know, Teddy Roosevelt had a way of dealing with hate
> >mongering scum like you. Were he alive today, he could break
> >any one of you Nazi goons in half with his bare hands. But
> >he probably would use ridicule to mock and expose your evil
> >and your stupidity  -- the way sci.skeptic regulars are
> >doing to you now. Here's how Mr. Roosevelt handled one of
> >Haman's spawn when he was New York City Police Commissioner
> >in 1895:
> >
> >"While I was Police Commissioner, an anti-Semitic preacher
> >from Berlin, Rector Ahlwardt, came over to New York to
> >preach a crusade against the Jews. Many of the New York Jews
> >were much excited and asked me to prevent him from speaking
> >and not to give him police protection. This, I told them was
> >impossible; and if possible would have been undesirable
> >because it would have made him a martyr. The proper thing to
> >do was to make him ridiculous.
> >
> >"Accordingly, I detailed for his protection a Jew sergeant
> >and a score or two of Jew policemen. He made his harangue
> >against the Jews under the active protection of some forty
> >policeman, every one of them a Jew."
> >           -- Theodore Roosevelt, An Autobiography

A humorous little story, but one that has absolutely nothing to do with
disproportionate Jewish power in America and its subversive manifestations.
Its also just another example of a goy politician pandering to Jews. So
what else is new?

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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
> > minority in their own country within the next 70 years? I'd say that's a pretty anti-White
> > policy. Or how about all the government programs and policies which discriminate against White
> > people? Affirmative Action, minority set-asides, etc.
>
> You're being very general when I said "specific." But never mind that. Here's a surprise for you:
> the immigration policy is NOT anti-white. It is, in fact, colorblind. Reasoning? If every white
> person on the European continent suddenly decided they wanted to live in America, they would be
> considered just as equally as any brown person. You go through the same background checks, the same
> legal procedures. So why don't you blame whites for not filling America up enough? If this is
> supposed to be the great white homeland, why aren't you blaming the French, the Germans, the
> Swedes, etc, for NOT coming over?

That's bullshit. I've talked to White people who immigrated from Europe. The fact is that at least 90%
of all immigrants are non-white. We have thousands pouring in every day.

Until the Jews wrecked our immigration policy in 1965, it favored Europe to the extend that it
preserved the racial demographics of America.



> > So what?
>
> So this was never--EVER--a "white" country.

In 1960 it was 90% White. I'd say that's pretty White.



> When whites got here, they were in the minority. Only
> by calculation, deceit, and out-and-out inhumanity could they become the majority in this country.
> But then they also brought over quite a lot of Africans, didn't they? Any idea you have that the
> U.S. was ever going to be a white haven is a myth.

America was a White country for all practical purposes until very recently. That's a fact.



> > Shifting sides? Being an abolitionist doesn't mean that one wanted negroes in the country. Many
> > of the Founders and other famous men wanted to send all the Blacks back to Africa.
>
> Proof?
>
> > Thomas
> > Jefferson said that Whites and Blacks couldn't live in the same country. None of them advocated
> > multiracialism.
>
> Citations? (Especially since Jefferson had no problem cohabitating with Sally Hemmings.)

Sure: http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/jefferson.html


> > > Culturally, white folks are much more
> > > disparate than they seem--there are few cultural connections between Latvians and Irish,
> > > between Germans and Spaniards, between Hungarians and British. Where do Italians fall?
> >
> > White, duh.
>
> Not according to some. Same with Greeks.

Probably most Greeks here in the US that I've known or seen I would say are White.



> And what about India? What "race" are Indians, who have
> dark brown skin and "Caucasoid" features?

I have seen some Idians who look pretty White, especially in the upper classes, but there are many who
are definitely too mongrelized. My person recommendation is that if you have to really wonder about
someone's racial qualifications, one can pretty much assume they're not White.



> > Funny, we don't have any problem at all in determining who's White. Yoy liberals must be
> > awafully confused if you can identify a White person from a Black or Asian.
>
> Is an East Indian white or Asian? Or black?

That depends on the individual.



> What are Australian aborigines? Native Americans?

Come one, both are definitely not White.



> > They're still Jews and see themselves as part of a larger Jewish community. They have a ethnic
> > consciousness apart from being members of the caucasian race or the nation in which they live.
> > They are Jews first, everything else second or third.
>
> Not all. And not only that, so what? You represent white people who consider themselves white
> first, Americans second or third. What difference is there between you and Jews?

I'm not a hypocrite and I'm living in my own country. Those are the two big differences.


> > Where have you been? The ADL was raided by the SFPD back in '92 for stealing police files and
> > illegally selling that info to other people. It was also exposed at that time that the ADL kept
> > extensive files on many thousands of Americans.
>
> Can you point me to some info on that? This is quite honestly new to me. Do you have any wire
> service URLs or other online reports?

There was quite a lot of coverage on the news wires. I think the case was just resolved last year.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ADLspies.html


> > Israel gets more foreign aid that almost all other nations combined. Only other country that
> > comes close is Egypt and they're paid to keep from attacking the Jews.
>
> Not so--not even remotely so. We're going to pour more into the Bosnian region than Israel. Where
> do you get your figures? Are they reliable?

Wake up and smell the coffee.



> > How many movie studios, TV networks, and newspapers are owned or controlled by Asians. Besides
> > SONY owning a movie studio, I don't know of any. But even with SONY, they have Jews actually
> > running things.
>
> Prove it.(Matter of fact, a name pops to mind--Sumner Redstone, who runs Viacom. Viacom is a
> GIANT--owns MTV, Paramount, all sorts of things. And Redstone is absolutely a Gentile, TTBOMK.)

ROTFLOL! Sumner Redstone (Rothstein) is a JEW! You don't even know what you're talking about.



> > That's a lie. People criticize our trade and aid deals with China constantly. I never hear
> > anyone being called anti-Asian for doing that.
>
> You can criticize China and its policies without criticizing the Chinese for being Chinese. There's
> a big difference. An illustration: during the last Winter Olympics, I mentioned Michelle Kwan to a
> redneck I know. (And he IS a redneck. There is just no doubt about it. Trust me on this, I'm
> related to the clown.) He started making that ridiculous sing-songy chop-sticky
> making-fun-of-Chinese accent that was offensive even in grade school, and I dressed him down for
> it. I can--and do, trust me, I DO--criticize China on many issues, mainly political freedoms,
> personal rights, etc. But I don't make fun of Chinese *people* just for being Chinese.
>
> You are free and clear to criticize Israel and its policies all you like. It becomes offensive when
> you start criticizing Jewish *people* just for being Jewish.

That's bullshit. Pat Buchanan doesn't criticize Jews just for being Jews.


> > Don't fool yourself. To non-whites the term redneck is nothing but a racial slur against Whites.
> > The same with cracker and peckerwood.
>
> You have something of a point. I used to work in a 95% black company. (Big one, too.) I seem to
> remember hearing the word "redneck" used in reference to bigoted whites. But realize that when *I*
> use the term "redneck," it does not mean all whites--though all *bigoted* whites are, in my
> opinion, rednecks.

Well, when I use the term "nigger" I mean irresponsible, criminal, or anti-White Blacks. Can I use it
anywhere?


> > > > I don't believe Buchanan is
> > > > anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has many Jewish friends and even some of his closest
> > > > advisors are Jews.
> > >
> > > Can you name them?
> >
> > I don't keep a list of them, but their existance has been confirmed by both Buchanan himself and
> > at least one Jewish writer that I can confirm.
>
> Not good enough. Do you know or do you not?

In the article, "Whither the Populist Wave," that appeared in the July 1996 issue of a paleo
publication, Chronicles, the Jewish author, Paul Gottfried, revealed a relatively unknown fact
concerning presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan. In an ostensible defense of Buchanan he wrote:
"Despite his abrasive remarks about AIPAC, (a branch of the powerful Israeli lobby) in 1991, Buchanan
is not an anti-Semite. About half of his inner circle, which includes a      Hasidic rabbi, is Jewish;
and his praise for the present Israeli government is even more extravagant than was his criticism of
the former Likud regime."

Is that good enough?



> > > ROFLMAO!!! Well, DUH. If all blacks were white, whites wouldn't hate them either, would
> > > they? The only problem is, they're NOT. Why is it so hard to simply accept their
> > > differences? (By the way, that Bolshevik movement had a LOT of Gentiles. MOSTLY Gentiles.
> > > Without them, it would not have succeeded.)
> >
> > It still had very disproportionate number of Jews.
>
> The intelligentsia were involved in Marxism, and Jews have traditionally been well-represented in
> intelligentsia because they valued schooling so highly. But the masses, the people who actually
> revolted, were almost entirely Gentile--because the population was almost entirely Gentile.

Of course there wasn't anywhere near enough Jews to man every position, but that doesn't change the
fact that Jews were very disproportionately involved in Marxism.



> > > By the way, they weren't being blamed for Jews being Marxist revolutionaries. They were
> > > blamed for being Jews.
> >
> > Marxism is a Jewish ideology. It was created by a Jew and promoted by Jews.
>
> Karl Marx was not a Jew. He renounced Judaism and was an antisemite. One cannot disavow Judaism and
> be a Jew!

Oh yes you can. there are many atheistic Jews running around.


> (What about Lenin, anyway?

25% Jewish


> Khruschev?

Married to a Jewess.


> Stalin?

Married to a Jewess. Daughter married to a Jew. Son married to a Jewess.



> Brezhnev?

I think he was married to a Jewess.


> > Go to any library and ask for the "Encyclopedia of Organizations". In it you'll find hundreds of
> > Jewish organizations. I think the last time I checked back in 1993 there were over 700.
>
> Not good enough. Do you actually know of what you speak? This is, in all fairness, what I am trying
> to determine.

I'm not going to drive to the damn library just to shut you up. I gave you a perfectly obtainable
reference and what it said the last time I checked.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
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David Christian wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:24:45 -0400 c.e., ipm  wrote :
>
> >Please identify which Jews and when died so that I might be "free?" I do see that
> >millions of White people died, including a tiny number of Jews, snip
>
> Hold the presses!!
> Ian just said Jews are, after all, White folks with a capital W!

Big deal. Even George L. Rockwell said that IHO, most Jews were White.

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Sara wrote:

> In article <3820B3D2.FDC621BC@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Look, you're confused. I don't really care how racist Israel is. My only
> point in talking
> > about Israel is to illustrate the hypocrisy of Jews. While Jews in
> gentile countries are
> > constantly beating the drum for democracy, equality, and anti-racism,
> their country, Israel,
> > is one of the most racist countries around. In many ways it imitates
> Hitler's National
> > Socialism!
>
> Bullshit, Anonymous Coward.
>
> Interesting that you use the phrase "beating the drum for democracy,"
> since Israel is a democracy. Iran isn't. Iraq isn't. Libya isn't. Kuwait
> isn't. Saudi Arabia isn't.

Do they allow Palestinians to vote?

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
> > > > everything harming the White Aryan people.
> > >
> > > And, as I said, not only is this a silly lie, but you obviously do
> > > *nothing* but repeat it ande whine about it. That's precisely what I
> > > meant: the white-power guys are too busy with self-pity and blaming the
> > > jews for everything to actually do something to "help the white race."
> >
> > Ok, IYO, What should I do to help the White race?
>
> In my opinion, get stuck down dead by a thunder bolt. It
> would help restore people's faith in God.

I doubt that, because such an occurance would prove that Satan controls the thunder.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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Orac wrote:

> Thinking that the world revolves around one's races and absolving oneself
> of blame by blaming others is hardly unique to any race.

The Jews are the best known for doing it, that is certainly true.



> In fact, white
> power rangers such as yourself are far better at it than any Jew. You
> think that the world owes you a "white homeland,"

Not at all. But we have a right to work for one. Nobody "owes" us anything. We
don't want anything other than to be left alone.



> and you absolve
> yourselves of blame for your own failures by placing the blame on the
> eeeevvvviiiill Jews, blacks, or "mud people."

Wrong again. I don't blame these people. I blame Whites for allowing them to gain
power and influence over us. Why would I expect a Black to be concerned with
helping the White race? My spreading of information on the problems caused by these
groups is not to blame them, but to make the situation clear that unless we Whites
stand up for our own rights, then nobody else will. Also that all other groups look
out for their group interests and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. White
people do the saem or we will be stripped of our power, have our culture destroyed,
and our race will become extinct.



> Oh, no, it can't be *your*
> fault that things aren't going the way you would like, even though whites
> are still the wealthiest and most privileged race in the U.S.

I think you better check your facts. Jews are the wealthiest group.



> If you can't
> succeed, even with all those advantages, it MUST be the fault of others.
> It must be the fault of the Jews or the blacks. It must be some
> international conspiracy.

I just look at the facts. If they lead to certain conclusions, then I follow and
form my opinions accordingly.




> Self-pity would seem to be a prerequisite for becoming a white power ranger.

I notice very little self-pity among White racialists. That's the realm of the Jews
and other minorities.


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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> >
> > I knew one Jewish woman, a girlfriend of a friend of mine, who became upset
> > everytime we tried to discuss the holocaust. I don't even think she lost any
> > relatives in WW2 which is why her reaction kind of struck me a strange. It was
> > like she was programmed to react that way. Of course, she was extremely liberal on
> > nearly everything and seemed to get very upset over any opinion that wasn't
> > politically correct.
>
> Can you really not understand why a person would be emotionally upset over an attempt
> to eradicate her people? Hell, I get pissed off at the British (sorry Fergus) for the
> Irish Potato Famine, and that was last *century.* This young lady has probably read
> some of the literature, seen the photos and films, and takes it very personally that
> an entire nation--within memory of the living--planned to annihilate all of her
> people. I mean, had they succeeded, she would not exist. Something like that can hit
> you very deeply.

This woman wasn't young, but late 40s when I know here. Secondly, I've talked to other
Jews and they seemed to be rational on the subject of the holocaust.

As far as her being upset over an attempt to eradicat her people, well, since you
obviously think that's something legitament to get upset about, what about all the
government policies now in place which will effectively destroy MY people if they are
allowed to remain in effect and carried to their logical conclusions? How about an
immigration policy which practically guarantees that White people will be a minority in
their own country within the next 75 years? I'm not going to get hysterical or emotional
over that, I'm more interested in doing what I can as an average White person to help my
fellow Whites to understand the consequences of their inaction and to realize that the
only way we will survive is to adopt the same strategies as all other racial/ethnic
groups: solidarity and the willingness to stand up for our interests. Above all, we must
reject this damned guilt-mongering, intimidation, and lying by Jews and the other
minorities. Its either that or our race will be totally disposessed, made extinct, and
eventually forgotten.



> Doesn't mean it hits everyone like that. One friend of mine is rather detached and
> analytical about the whole subject. (That is because Jews are individuals--not the
> Borg. They really don't all think and act alike.)

Yes, the Jews are made up as individuals, but individual Jews. That's what's signifcant.




> > > I have afeeling you will suddenly discover ALL jews are "obnoxious" - they
> > > fail to agree you discovered the awful truth about the evil jewish
> > > holohoax media world domination plan!
> >
> > I didn't say that ALL Jews are obnoxious. I'm talking about Jews as a whole. As a
> > whole Jews tend to be obnoxious, arrogant, and pushy.
>
> I think you may have simply been exposed to the stereotypical "New York Jew" that has
> been a mainstay  of films and TV for the last, ohhh, fifty years or so. Honestly,
> though I hate to say it, I know a Jewish guy from New York who is, well, arrogant and
> sometimes obnoxious. He's also one of my best friends, is one of the most charitable
> people I have ever met, has deep concerns and kindnesses towards all people, is a
> great friend to the working man, is highly intelligent and VERY respectful of others'
> opinions.

I'm not talking about obnoxious on an individual way. I know plenty of obnoxious getiles.
I mean obnoxious as a group. Compare Asians to Jews, since their respective numbers are
about the same. How many times do you hear about Asians demanding apologies from someone
making a public statement. Do we see the government full of Asians? Do we have hundreds
of Asian pressure groups? Do we have an Asian ADL snooping around in people's lives and
intimidating anyone who says something they don't like? Do we have Asian lobby groups
pressuring the goverment to give billions of dollars to Japan or Korea? Do we have the
information and entertainment media dominated by Asians? Is criticising Asians forbidden
like it is to criticise Jews? Do we have Asians organizing in attempts to swing
elections? Do we have Asians extorting money out of governments around the world? I could
go on and on with more conparisons, but you should get the point.




> By the way--just because it's true--I also know quiet, thoughtful, unpresuming Jewish
> folks. Chances are you have too, but never noticed them because your mind is trained
> only to notice the Jews who annoy you.

I notice what Jews do politically as a group. If I meet a Jew on the street, I treat him
more or less like anyone else.



> Jews are like anyone, Red. Honestly.

No they're not. With only comparatively few exceptions they operate as a block. They vote
more or less as a block. They're extremely well organized and always on the alert for any
public statement not favorable to Jews, and then go on the attack using political smears,
intimidation, and blackmail. People slam rednecks all the time and virtually any White
group with impunity, but not Jews. Nobody can criticize Jews. One can even get away with
criticizing Blacks far easier than Jews. Someone say publicly that Black crime is very
bad or that the Black illegitimacy rate is out of control, but no one can get away with
saying anything derogatory about Jews, I don't care who they are. To question our policy
in the Mid East and suggest that we should show less favor towards Israel is to be
accused of anti-Semitism. Look at the attacks on Buchanan. I don't believe Buchanan is
anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has many Jewish friends and even some of his closest
advisors are Jews.



> > No, probably half the Jews I've known knew pretty well what my opinions were.
> > Others, the topic never came up. Its not like the first thing I say to a Jew is
> > "Hey, what do you think about the holocaust?" Surprisingly, probably some of the
> > most frank discussions I've had on the holocaust were with one conservative Jew.
> > You might be interested to know that while he strongly disliked Hitler, he put a
> > lot of the blame for what happened in Germany at the door of leftist and Marxist
> > Jews. I think he believed that if more German Jews had been like him - socially
> > conservative and patriotic, there wouldn't have been an anti-Jewish reaction in
> > the first place. He probably has a point on that.
>
> Highly doubtful. After all, Jewish war heroes of World War 1, who fought and were
> injured and suffered for their country, went to the camps like any other Jews.

Yes, because so many other Jews were leading Marxist revolutionaries and spreading every
kind of subversive attitude there was. If Jews were like everybody else, nobody would
have any more objection to them than any other White ethnic group.



> > No, you people bring out the worst in anyone due to your nasty attitude and
> > constant insults. Believe me, Nizkor does nothing to help the imagine of Jews. If
> > anything, you people constantly reaffirm anti-Jewish ideas.
>
> Yet you have conversations with Jews who do not have nasty attitudes and don't insult
> constantly. It's just a matter of widening your view of people. Look at Jews as
> individuals, without imposing on them the template of the Evil Jew, and you may
> discover that Jews are as diverse as any other group.
>
> I honestly hope I am not casting this on deaf ears.

Quit assuming that I don't really know any Jews. I do. I went to school with Jews. I've
met Jews in my daily life. I even have a relative who converted and married a Jew. You're
totally presumptuous about my experiences with Jews. Regardless of that I still can read
and observe and through that I know what Jews do through their hundreds of organizations.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara Salzman wrote:


> Agreed. we're also delighted to have YOU working for us. Keep it up! Once
> you get KKKadach convinced you're for real, we'll be ready to start on his
> brainwashing.
>
> Sara

Sara, I have to ask this. Do you ever post anything worth reading or do you
really think these little stupid quips contribute anything of substance to
these discussions? Even Brown tries to say something intelligent every now and
then.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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John Morris wrote:

> In  in sci.skeptic, on Sun, 31 Oct
> 1999 20:03:55 -0500, William Scott aka Roger Hughes aka Ian P.
> McKinney aka "morgan"  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> So, William, are we supposed to believe that "morgan" is a first name
> or a last name?

Don't have an orgasm. I'm helping out a friend who is having trouble
getting his news reader set-up. I'm posting through his account to make
sure everything works.

--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > As far only way we will survive is to adopt the same strategies as all other
> racial/ethnic
> > groups: solidarity and the willingness to stand up for our interests.
>
> Solidarity and standing up for one's interest is what people like Martin
> Luther King and previously Geroge Washington did. Or, for that matter, Abe
> Lincoln. And Ghandi, Susan B. Anthony, and you name it.

Your point being what?


> All the "white racialists" ever do is deny the holocaust and whine how the
> evil jews control everything. That isn't "solidarity and standing up for
> one's interest". It's fantasy-creation and self-pity, nothing more.

No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
everything harming the White Aryan people.

Prof. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively on the various Jewish strategies and how
they impact the gentile society around them. maybe yoy should try to learn something
about that:  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> > In article <381DC60F.803317C6@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, the Jews are made up as individuals, but individual Jews. That's
> > what's signifcant.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Now THAT'S a keeper.
> >
> > Sara
>
> It's a good thing that William P. Scott and his fellow
> Neo-Nazis are so indisputably stupid. They hang themselves
> with their own words. We hardly have to do a thing to help.

Skolnick, you're about as dumb as a brick. The point I was making, which you
deliberately ignore, is no matter how one analizes Jewish group behavior,
we're still dealing with not with random individuals, but with individual
Jews who see themselves united as Jews.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I knew one Jewish woman, a girlfriend of a friend of mine, who became upset
> > > > everytime we tried to discuss the holocaust. I don't even think she lost any
> > > > relatives in WW2 which is why her reaction kind of struck me a strange. It was
> > > > like she was programmed to react that way. Of course, she was extremely liberal on
> > > > nearly everything and seemed to get very upset over any opinion that wasn't
> > > > politically correct.
> > >
> > > Can you really not understand why a person would be emotionally upset over an attempt
> > > to eradicate her people? Hell, I get pissed off at the British (sorry Fergus) for the
> > > Irish Potato Famine, and that was last *century.* This young lady has probably read
> > > some of the literature, seen the photos and films, and takes it very personally that
> > > an entire nation--within memory of the living--planned to annihilate all of her
> > > people. I mean, had they succeeded, she would not exist. Something like that can hit
> > > you very deeply.
> >
> > This woman wasn't young, but late 40s when I know here. Secondly, I've talked to other
> > Jews and they seemed to be rational on the subject of the holocaust.
> >
> > As far as her being upset over an attempt to eradicat her people, well, since you
> > obviously think that's something legitament to get upset about, what about all the
> > government policies now in place which will effectively destroy MY people if they are
> > allowed to remain in effect and carried to their logical conclusions?
>
> There are no destructive anti-White government policies. I challenge you to name one. And I
> do mean name, as in specifically *which* policy.

That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
minority in their own country within the next 70 years? I'd say that's a pretty anti-White
policy. Or how about all the government programs and policies which discriminate against White
people? Affirmative Action, minority set-asides, etc.



> > How about an
> > immigration policy which practically guarantees that White people will be a minority in
> > their own country within the next 75 years?
>
> This country was not some sort of guaranteed haven for whites. Remember, in order for whites
> to become predominant in the US, they had to slaughter 18 to 30 million Indians--and much of
> that WAS American policy. Just ask Andrew Jackson when he defied a Supreme Court decision
> and made war on the Seminoles.

So what?



> There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution guaranteeing that this would ever be a whites-only
> country. Some of the Founding Fathers--Ben Franklin, for one--were abolitionists. Franklin,
> in fact, was anormously pro-Semitic.

Shifting sides? Being an abolitionist doesn't mean that one wanted negroes in the country. Many
of the Founders and other famous men wanted to send all the Blacks back to Africa. Thomas
Jefferson said that Whites and Blacks couldn't live in the same country. None of them advocated
multiracialism.




> > I'm not going to get hysterical or emotional
> > over that, I'm more interested in doing what I can as an average White person to help my
> > fellow Whites to understand the consequences of their inaction and to realize that the
> > only way we will survive is to adopt the same strategies as all other racial/ethnic
> > groups: solidarity and the willingness to stand up for our interests. Above all, we must
> > reject this damned guilt-mongering, intimidation, and lying by Jews and the other
> > minorities. Its either that or our race will be totally disposessed, made extinct, and
> > eventually forgotten.
>
> But you forget: there is no "white race."

That's nonsense.




> There is an aggregation of various peoples who
> have been termed "white" only by dint of physiognomy.

That's nonsense. There's all kinds of physical and intellectual differences. IQ, suseptibility
to various diseases, size, etc.



> Culturally, white folks are much more
> disparate than they seem--there are few cultural connections between Latvians and Irish,
> between Germans and Spaniards, between Hungarians and British. Where do Italians fall?

White, duh.



> Some
> WPRs don't even consider them (or Greeks, or Spaniards) to be white. There is no clear
> definition of who or what a white person is. And funny enough, that's how it is for every
> "race."

Funny, we don't have any problem at all in determining who's White. Yoy liberals must be
awafully confused if you can identify a White person from a Black or Asian.



> > > Doesn't mean it hits everyone like that. One friend of mine is rather detached and
> > > analytical about the whole subject. (That is because Jews are individuals--not the
> > > Borg. They really don't all think and act alike.)
> >
> > Yes, the Jews are made up as individuals, but individual Jews. That's what's signifcant.
>
> Beg pard?

They're still Jews and see themselves as part of a larger Jewish community. They have a ethnic
consciousness apart from being members of the caucasian race or the nation in which they live.
They are Jews first, everything else second or third.



> > > > I didn't say that ALL Jews are obnoxious. I'm talking about Jews as a whole. As a
> > > > whole Jews tend to be obnoxious, arrogant, and pushy.
> > >
> > > I think you may have simply been exposed to the stereotypical "New York Jew" that has
> > > been a mainstay  of films and TV for the last, ohhh, fifty years or so. Honestly,
> > > though I hate to say it, I know a Jewish guy from New York who is, well, arrogant and
> > > sometimes obnoxious. He's also one of my best friends, is one of the most charitable
> > > people I have ever met, has deep concerns and kindnesses towards all people, is a
> > > great friend to the working man, is highly intelligent and VERY respectful of others'
> > > opinions.
> >
> > I'm not talking about obnoxious on an individual way. I know plenty of obnoxious getiles.
> > I mean obnoxious as a group. Compare Asians to Jews, since their respective numbers are
> > about the same. How many times do you hear about Asians demanding apologies from someone
> > making a public statement. Do we see the government full of Asians? Do we have hundreds
> > of Asian pressure groups?
>
> There're quite a few, yes.

Strange, nobody ever hears about them.



> > Do we have an Asian ADL snooping around in people's lives and
> > intimidating anyone who says something they don't like?
>
> Whose lives are the ADL snooping into? And how do they intimidate, beyond complaining?

Where have you been? The ADL was raided by the SFPD back in '92 for stealing police files and
illegally selling that info to other people. It was also exposed at that time that the ADL kept
extensive files on many thousands of Americans.



> > Do we have Asian lobby groups
> > pressuring the goverment to give billions of dollars to Japan or Korea?
>
> Yes.

Israel gets more foreign aid that almost all other nations combined. Only other country that
comes close is Egypt and they're paid to keep from attacking the Jews.



> > Do we have the
> > information and entertainment media dominated by Asians?
>
> Ask John Woo. (By the way, what you are doing is not stating truth but repeating a party
> line. the most influential news groups in the U.S. are predominantly Gentile. No joke.
> Knight-Ridder, the Tribune Company, Gannett, Fox, Turner--in fact, I read that Doubleday,
> IIRC, is owned by a GERMAN company. There are plenty of Jews in the making of films and TV,
> sure, but it is VERY largely white.)

How many movie studios, TV networks, and newspapers are owned or controlled by Asians. Besides
SONY owning a movie studio, I don't know of any. But even with SONY, they have Jews actually
running things.



> > Is criticising Asians forbidden
> > like it is to criticise Jews?
>
> If you were to criticize Asians in the same way you criticize Jews, I would be as angry.

That's a lie. People criticize our trade and aid deals with China constantly. I never hear
anyone being called anti-Asian for doing that.



> > People slam rednecks all the time and virtually any White
> > group with impunity, but not Jews.
>
> If you remove the "but not Jews" part of that statement, you're going to get some grudging
> agreement with me--mainly because I have come to resent the increasingly popular
> representation of all white males as sexist, dull, selfish, inconsiderate, emotional
> eunuchs. But I'll slam rednecks with glee because I know whereof I speak--you just have to
> trust me on this one.

Don't fool yourself. To non-whites the term redneck is nothing but a racial slur against Whites.
The same with cracker and peckerwood.



> > I don't believe Buchanan is
> > anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has many Jewish friends and even some of his closest
> > advisors are Jews.
>
> Can you name them?

I don't keep a list of them, but their existance has been confirmed by both Buchanan himself and
at least one Jewish writer that I can confirm.


> > Yes, because so many other Jews were leading Marxist revolutionaries and spreading every
> > kind of subversive attitude there was. If Jews were like everybody else, nobody would
> > have any more objection to them than any other White ethnic group.
>
> ROFLMAO!!! Well, DUH. If all blacks were white, whites wouldn't hate them either, would
> they? The only problem is, they're NOT. Why is it so hard to simply accept their
> differences? (By the way, that Bolshevik movement had a LOT of Gentiles. MOSTLY Gentiles.
> Without them, it would not have succeeded.)

It still had very disproportionate number of Jews.


> By the way, they weren't being blamed for Jews being Marxist revolutionaries. They were
> blamed for being Jews.

Marxism is a Jewish ideology. It was created by a Jew and promoted by Jews.


> > Regardless of that I still can read
> > and observe and through that I know what Jews do through their hundreds of organizations.
>
> Hundreds, huh? Can you substantiate what you just said, or is this more party-line stuff? (I
> am not being confrontational. I am seriously trying to find out how much you actually know
> versus how much you are repeating because you've never had to look into it yourself.)

Go to any library and ask for the "Encyclopedia of Organizations". In it you'll find hundreds of
Jewish organizations. I think the last time I checked back in 1993 there were over 700.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381DC712.ADB356A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Sara, I have to ask this. Do you ever post anything worth reading or do you
> >really think these little stupid quips contribute anything of substance to
> >these discussions? Even Brown tries to say something intelligent every now and
> >then.
> >
> Anonymous Coward:
>
> If you've got a problem, find another newsgroup to harass.
>
> None of the sci.skeptic "regulars" have ever complained about my posts...
> only the racists.

You're not too bright either. I'm not in sci.skeptic. I'm only subscribed to two
newsgroups: alt.california and alt.politics.nationalism.white.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381DCA26.913D3EAC@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
> >
> >> In  in sci.skeptic, on Sun, 31 Oct
> >> 1999 20:03:55 -0500, William Scott aka Roger Hughes aka Ian P.
> >> McKinney aka "morgan"  wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> So, William, are we supposed to believe that "morgan" is a first name
> >> or a last name?
> >
> >Don't have an orgasm. I'm helping out a friend who is having trouble
> >getting his news reader set-up. I'm posting through his account to make
> >sure everything works.
> >
> Sort-of like when I posted from my office computer instead of my laptop
> and the name is listed as "Sara" instead of "Sara Salzman"?
>
> How come you accused me of trying to "pull something"?

I don't recall ever saying that.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
> > everything harming the White Aryan people.
>
> And, as I said, not only is this a silly lie, but you obviously do
> *nothing* but repeat it ande whine about it. That's precisely what I
> meant: the white-power guys are too busy with self-pity and blaming the
> jews for everything to actually do something to "help the white race."

Ok, IYO, What should I do to help the White race?



> > Prof. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively on the various Jewish strategies and how
> > they impact the gentile society around them. maybe yoy should try to learn something
> > about that:  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm
>
> Boy, this is rich. You hate the state of Israel for being a "racsit"
> jewish state, but you hate the jews for "influenceing the gentiles around
> them" when NOT in Israel.

Look, you're confused. I don't really care how racist Israel is. My only point in talking
about Israel is to illustrate the hypocrisy of Jews. While Jews in gentile countries are
constantly beating the drum for democracy, equality, and anti-racism, their country, Israel,
is one of the most racist countries around. In many ways it imitates Hitler's National
Socialism!



> As for the book, I wish we jews actually had 1/10th of the power and
> control over the world you give us credit for.

You don't how much I agree with that.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm  wrote in message news:381F3D36.71A4E8D6@usaor.net...
>
> > Prof. Kevin MacDonald has written extensively on the various Jewish
> strategies and how
> > they impact the gentile society around them. maybe yoy should try to learn
> something
> > about that:  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm
> Note carefully that the review notes 'Jewish efforts to shape United States
> immigration policy' and explains these as being geared to 'neutralize or end
> anti-Semitism'. What he conveniently fails to mention is that such efforts
> were largely unsuccessful (as can be demonstrated with the 1924 law which
> effectively barred non Northern European immigration), and that other ethnic
> groups were understandibly also lobbying the government for policies opening
> the doors to immigration for members of their groups and ending policies
> which discriminated against them.

With regard to Jewish influence on immigration policy, we're talking about the
1965 changes that opened up America to the Third World. Even Jews admit this to
be true: "It was only after World War II that immigration law was drastically
changed....In one of the first pieces of evidence of its political
coming-of-age, the Jewish community has a leadership role in effecting those
changes." (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, July 23, 1993).

So, if anyone doesn't like our ruinous, anti-White immigration policy, thank the
Jews.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381F7647.793E51DB@stopNazi.spam.mindspring.com>, "Andrew A.
> Skolnick"  wrote:
>
> >
> >You know, Teddy Roosevelt had a way of dealing with hate
> >mongering scum like you. Were he alive today, he could break
> >any one of you Nazi goons in half with his bare hands. But
> >he probably would use ridicule to mock and expose your evil
> >and your stupidity  -- the way sci.skeptic regulars are
> >doing to you now. Here's how Mr. Roosevelt handled one of
> >Haman's spawn when he was New York City Police Commissioner
> >in 1895:
> >
> >"While I was Police Commissioner, an anti-Semitic preacher
> >from Berlin, Rector Ahlwardt, came over to New York to
> >preach a crusade against the Jews. Many of the New York Jews
> >were much excited and asked me to prevent him from speaking
> >and not to give him police protection. This, I told them was
> >impossible; and if possible would have been undesirable
> >because it would have made him a martyr. The proper thing to
> >do was to make him ridiculous.
> >
> >"Accordingly, I detailed for his protection a Jew sergeant
> >and a score or two of Jew policemen. He made his harangue
> >against the Jews under the active protection of some forty
> >policeman, every one of them a Jew."
> >           -- Theodore Roosevelt, An Autobiography

A humorous little story, but one that has absolutely nothing to do with
disproportionate Jewish power in America and its subversive manifestations.
Its also just another example of a goy politician pandering to Jews. So
what else is new?

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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
> > minority in their own country within the next 70 years? I'd say that's a pretty anti-White
> > policy. Or how about all the government programs and policies which discriminate against White
> > people? Affirmative Action, minority set-asides, etc.
>
> You're being very general when I said "specific." But never mind that. Here's a surprise for you:
> the immigration policy is NOT anti-white. It is, in fact, colorblind. Reasoning? If every white
> person on the European continent suddenly decided they wanted to live in America, they would be
> considered just as equally as any brown person. You go through the same background checks, the same
> legal procedures. So why don't you blame whites for not filling America up enough? If this is
> supposed to be the great white homeland, why aren't you blaming the French, the Germans, the
> Swedes, etc, for NOT coming over?

That's bullshit. I've talked to White people who immigrated from Europe. The fact is that at least 90%
of all immigrants are non-white. We have thousands pouring in every day.

Until the Jews wrecked our immigration policy in 1965, it favored Europe to the extend that it
preserved the racial demographics of America.



> > So what?
>
> So this was never--EVER--a "white" country.

In 1960 it was 90% White. I'd say that's pretty White.



> When whites got here, they were in the minority. Only
> by calculation, deceit, and out-and-out inhumanity could they become the majority in this country.
> But then they also brought over quite a lot of Africans, didn't they? Any idea you have that the
> U.S. was ever going to be a white haven is a myth.

America was a White country for all practical purposes until very recently. That's a fact.



> > Shifting sides? Being an abolitionist doesn't mean that one wanted negroes in the country. Many
> > of the Founders and other famous men wanted to send all the Blacks back to Africa.
>
> Proof?
>
> > Thomas
> > Jefferson said that Whites and Blacks couldn't live in the same country. None of them advocated
> > multiracialism.
>
> Citations? (Especially since Jefferson had no problem cohabitating with Sally Hemmings.)

Sure: http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/jefferson.html


> > > Culturally, white folks are much more
> > > disparate than they seem--there are few cultural connections between Latvians and Irish,
> > > between Germans and Spaniards, between Hungarians and British. Where do Italians fall?
> >
> > White, duh.
>
> Not according to some. Same with Greeks.

Probably most Greeks here in the US that I've known or seen I would say are White.



> And what about India? What "race" are Indians, who have
> dark brown skin and "Caucasoid" features?

I have seen some Idians who look pretty White, especially in the upper classes, but there are many who
are definitely too mongrelized. My person recommendation is that if you have to really wonder about
someone's racial qualifications, one can pretty much assume they're not White.



> > Funny, we don't have any problem at all in determining who's White. Yoy liberals must be
> > awafully confused if you can identify a White person from a Black or Asian.
>
> Is an East Indian white or Asian? Or black?

That depends on the individual.



> What are Australian aborigines? Native Americans?

Come one, both are definitely not White.



> > They're still Jews and see themselves as part of a larger Jewish community. They have a ethnic
> > consciousness apart from being members of the caucasian race or the nation in which they live.
> > They are Jews first, everything else second or third.
>
> Not all. And not only that, so what? You represent white people who consider themselves white
> first, Americans second or third. What difference is there between you and Jews?

I'm not a hypocrite and I'm living in my own country. Those are the two big differences.


> > Where have you been? The ADL was raided by the SFPD back in '92 for stealing police files and
> > illegally selling that info to other people. It was also exposed at that time that the ADL kept
> > extensive files on many thousands of Americans.
>
> Can you point me to some info on that? This is quite honestly new to me. Do you have any wire
> service URLs or other online reports?

There was quite a lot of coverage on the news wires. I think the case was just resolved last year.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ADLspies.html


> > Israel gets more foreign aid that almost all other nations combined. Only other country that
> > comes close is Egypt and they're paid to keep from attacking the Jews.
>
> Not so--not even remotely so. We're going to pour more into the Bosnian region than Israel. Where
> do you get your figures? Are they reliable?

Wake up and smell the coffee.



> > How many movie studios, TV networks, and newspapers are owned or controlled by Asians. Besides
> > SONY owning a movie studio, I don't know of any. But even with SONY, they have Jews actually
> > running things.
>
> Prove it.(Matter of fact, a name pops to mind--Sumner Redstone, who runs Viacom. Viacom is a
> GIANT--owns MTV, Paramount, all sorts of things. And Redstone is absolutely a Gentile, TTBOMK.)

ROTFLOL! Sumner Redstone (Rothstein) is a JEW! You don't even know what you're talking about.



> > That's a lie. People criticize our trade and aid deals with China constantly. I never hear
> > anyone being called anti-Asian for doing that.
>
> You can criticize China and its policies without criticizing the Chinese for being Chinese. There's
> a big difference. An illustration: during the last Winter Olympics, I mentioned Michelle Kwan to a
> redneck I know. (And he IS a redneck. There is just no doubt about it. Trust me on this, I'm
> related to the clown.) He started making that ridiculous sing-songy chop-sticky
> making-fun-of-Chinese accent that was offensive even in grade school, and I dressed him down for
> it. I can--and do, trust me, I DO--criticize China on many issues, mainly political freedoms,
> personal rights, etc. But I don't make fun of Chinese *people* just for being Chinese.
>
> You are free and clear to criticize Israel and its policies all you like. It becomes offensive when
> you start criticizing Jewish *people* just for being Jewish.

That's bullshit. Pat Buchanan doesn't criticize Jews just for being Jews.


> > Don't fool yourself. To non-whites the term redneck is nothing but a racial slur against Whites.
> > The same with cracker and peckerwood.
>
> You have something of a point. I used to work in a 95% black company. (Big one, too.) I seem to
> remember hearing the word "redneck" used in reference to bigoted whites. But realize that when *I*
> use the term "redneck," it does not mean all whites--though all *bigoted* whites are, in my
> opinion, rednecks.

Well, when I use the term "nigger" I mean irresponsible, criminal, or anti-White Blacks. Can I use it
anywhere?


> > > > I don't believe Buchanan is
> > > > anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has many Jewish friends and even some of his closest
> > > > advisors are Jews.
> > >
> > > Can you name them?
> >
> > I don't keep a list of them, but their existance has been confirmed by both Buchanan himself and
> > at least one Jewish writer that I can confirm.
>
> Not good enough. Do you know or do you not?

In the article, "Whither the Populist Wave," that appeared in the July 1996 issue of a paleo
publication, Chronicles, the Jewish author, Paul Gottfried, revealed a relatively unknown fact
concerning presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan. In an ostensible defense of Buchanan he wrote:
"Despite his abrasive remarks about AIPAC, (a branch of the powerful Israeli lobby) in 1991, Buchanan
is not an anti-Semite. About half of his inner circle, which includes a      Hasidic rabbi, is Jewish;
and his praise for the present Israeli government is even more extravagant than was his criticism of
the former Likud regime."

Is that good enough?



> > > ROFLMAO!!! Well, DUH. If all blacks were white, whites wouldn't hate them either, would
> > > they? The only problem is, they're NOT. Why is it so hard to simply accept their
> > > differences? (By the way, that Bolshevik movement had a LOT of Gentiles. MOSTLY Gentiles.
> > > Without them, it would not have succeeded.)
> >
> > It still had very disproportionate number of Jews.
>
> The intelligentsia were involved in Marxism, and Jews have traditionally been well-represented in
> intelligentsia because they valued schooling so highly. But the masses, the people who actually
> revolted, were almost entirely Gentile--because the population was almost entirely Gentile.

Of course there wasn't anywhere near enough Jews to man every position, but that doesn't change the
fact that Jews were very disproportionately involved in Marxism.



> > > By the way, they weren't being blamed for Jews being Marxist revolutionaries. They were
> > > blamed for being Jews.
> >
> > Marxism is a Jewish ideology. It was created by a Jew and promoted by Jews.
>
> Karl Marx was not a Jew. He renounced Judaism and was an antisemite. One cannot disavow Judaism and
> be a Jew!

Oh yes you can. there are many atheistic Jews running around.


> (What about Lenin, anyway?

25% Jewish


> Khruschev?

Married to a Jewess.


> Stalin?

Married to a Jewess. Daughter married to a Jew. Son married to a Jewess.



> Brezhnev?

I think he was married to a Jewess.


> > Go to any library and ask for the "Encyclopedia of Organizations". In it you'll find hundreds of
> > Jewish organizations. I think the last time I checked back in 1993 there were over 700.
>
> Not good enough. Do you actually know of what you speak? This is, in all fairness, what I am trying
> to determine.

I'm not going to drive to the damn library just to shut you up. I gave you a perfectly obtainable
reference and what it said the last time I checked.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara wrote:

> In article <3820B3D2.FDC621BC@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Look, you're confused. I don't really care how racist Israel is. My only
> point in talking
> > about Israel is to illustrate the hypocrisy of Jews. While Jews in
> gentile countries are
> > constantly beating the drum for democracy, equality, and anti-racism,
> their country, Israel,
> > is one of the most racist countries around. In many ways it imitates
> Hitler's National
> > Socialism!
>
> Bullshit, Anonymous Coward.
>
> Interesting that you use the phrase "beating the drum for democracy,"
> since Israel is a democracy. Iran isn't. Iraq isn't. Libya isn't. Kuwait
> isn't. Saudi Arabia isn't.

Do they allow Palestinians to vote?

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
> > > > everything harming the White Aryan people.
> > >
> > > And, as I said, not only is this a silly lie, but you obviously do
> > > *nothing* but repeat it ande whine about it. That's precisely what I
> > > meant: the white-power guys are too busy with self-pity and blaming the
> > > jews for everything to actually do something to "help the white race."
> >
> > Ok, IYO, What should I do to help the White race?
>
> In my opinion, get stuck down dead by a thunder bolt. It
> would help restore people's faith in God.

I doubt that, because such an occurance would prove that Satan controls the thunder.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> William P. Scott wrote:
>
> > Do they allow Palestinians to vote?
>
> You know Scott, you really are a low-life no-nothing. Like
> some kind of demonic parrot, you post your vile anti-Semitic
> and anti-Israeli screeds without having the least
> understanding of what you post.
>
> Of course Palestinians vote. And Palestinians are members of
> the Israeli Knesset. And in the last election, a Palestinian
> was a candidate for Prime Minister. He eventually withdrew
> from the election so that Palestinian votes would help
> defeat Netanyahu.

If Palestinians are allowed to vote, did they vote to give their country to the
Jews?


> Israel has lots of social and political problems, but it is
> a democracy. That's one of the reasons fascists like you
> despise Israel. You hate democracy.

Personally, I couldn't care less what kind of government the Jews have in Israel.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm [William P. Scott, the Nazi] wrote:
> > Oh yes you can. there are many atheistic Jews running around.
>
> Karl Marx was an atheistic Christian, not an atheistic Jew.
> He was Baptized when he was 6 years old. He hated Jews
> nearly as much as you do, you lying Nazi bastard.

He was a racial Jew. His old man converted for convenience sake.



> > I don't believe Buchanan is anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has
> > many Jewish friends and even some of his closest advisors are Jews.
>
> Ah, yes, the cherished line of the racist: "Some of my best
> friends are..."
>
> Here is just a small sampling of Buchanan's racist, fascist,
> and anti-Semitic comments and actions:
>
> Buchanan has publicly criticized Harvard University for
> having too high a percentage of students who are Jewish.

Well, we hear all the time about this or that being "too White." If something can be too White,
why can't something else be be too Jewish?


> Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied
> territory."

It is.



> During the Gulf Crisis, Buchanan argued against fighting
> Sadam Hussein.  "There are only two groups that are beating
> the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense
> ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." That
> was a clear lie meant solely to stir up hatred against Jews.

Not really, but instead to point out an obvious truth that the Jews had a vested interest in
breaking Iraq.


> In one of his newspaper columns sympathetic to Nazi and
> ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan scolded the Republican
> Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take
> a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and
> expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such
> as] reverse discrimination against white folks."

What's this have to do with Jews?



> In a 1977 column in The Guardian, Buchanan wrote that Hitler
> was "an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in
> the Great War" and "a leader steeped in the history of
> Europe."  He praised Hitler’s "extraordinary gifts" and
> "genus."

I have no doubt that Hitler had an extremely high IQ.



> In his writings, Buchanan ’has challenged the fact that
> thousands of Jews were gassed to death at Treblinka. These
> Holocaust revisionist screeds have been republished in
> Neo-Nazi publications.

So nobody can challenge any facts?



> Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's
> Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war
> criminals. And he has protested against the deportation of
> Nazi war criminals who illegally entered the US.

WW2 has been over for almost 60 years! Its time to move on already.



> Buchanan was the one who urged President Reagan to honor SS
> troops buried in the Bitburg cemetery. He is credited with
> writing the speech in which Reagan described SS murderers as
> "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration
> camps."

Big deal. The vast majority of SS troops had nothing to do with concentration camps.



> Shortly before Buchanan announced his candidacy for
> president in 1995: he boasted, "You just wait until 1996,
> then you'll see a real right-wing tyrant."

What does that have to do with Jews?



> Echoes of Hitler’s Brown Shirts: At his presidential
> campaign rally in New Hampshire in 1995, Buchanan’s aids
> beat, kicked, and threw three rabbinical student protesters
> down stairs. The police had to threaten Buchanan’s campaign
> director with arrest to get him to call off Buchanan’s
> goons. Buchanan stood there and did nothing to stop the
> beating.

I saw that on TV. Those Jews burst onto the podium screaming insults at Pat disrupting his
meeting. They got what they deserved.



> Buchanan has often spoken out in favor of fascism and
> fascist dictators. In a January, 1991 column, Buchanan
> suggested that "quasi-dictatorial rule" might be the
> solution to the problems of big municipalities and the
> federal fiscal crisis: "If the people are corrupt, the more
> democracy, the worse the government." In his autobiography,
> he calls Spanish dictator and Hitler ally Francisco Franco a
> "Catholic savior."  He called both Franco and Chile's Gen.
> Pinochet (who is now fighting deportation to Spain where he
> would stand trial for torture and murder)
> "soldier-patriots."

What's this have to do with Jews? Are you saying that no Jews are fascists?



> Sounding too much like a member of the KKK, Buchanan argues
> that the US Civil War was not fought overly slavery. "The
> War Between the States was about independence, about
> self-determination, about the right of a people to break
> free of a government to which they could no longer give
> allegiance."

Slavery was a contributing issue, not the prime one. What's this have to do with Jews?



> Contrary to the US Supreme Court ruling that the racist
> policy of "separate but equal" was inherently unequal,
> Buchanan seems to think otherwise.  Back in the late 1940s
> and early 1950s, he argues in his autobiography, "There were
> no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight.
> The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools,
> restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches;
> and we had ours."

The Supreme Court rules that "separate but equal" was legal in Plessey v. Ferguson. What's this
have to do with Jews?




> Buchanan has opposed virtually every civil rights law and
> court decision in the past 30 years. He published libelous
> FBI-fed smears of Martin Luther King ,Jr., as his own
> editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s.
> As advisor to Nixon, Buchanan warned the President not to
> visit Martin Luther King’s widow on the first anniversary of
> the civil rights leader’s assassination. Buchanan told Nixon
> that people consider Dr. King "the Devil incarnate. Dr. King
> is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history."

All true, but what's this have to do with Jews?



> Buchanan was an admirer and defender of South Africa
> apartheid. He denounced the US support of United Nations
> sanctions against the South African apartheid government..

What's this have to do with Jews?



> In a 1977 column in New Republic, Buchanan urged a
> "thrashing" of gay groups. He wrote: "Homosexuality is not a
> civil right.  Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in
> the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse
> of its basic cinder block, the family."

What's this have to do with Jews?

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
> > > > minority in their own country within the next 70 years? I'd say that's a pretty anti-White
> > > > policy. Or how about all the government programs and policies which discriminate against White
> > > > people? Affirmative Action, minority set-asides, etc.
> > >
> > > You're being very general when I said "specific." But never mind that. Here's a surprise for you:
> > > the immigration policy is NOT anti-white. It is, in fact, colorblind. Reasoning? If every white
> > > person on the European continent suddenly decided they wanted to live in America, they would be
> > > considered just as equally as any brown person. You go through the same background checks, the same
> > > legal procedures. So why don't you blame whites for not filling America up enough? If this is
> > > supposed to be the great white homeland, why aren't you blaming the French, the Germans, the
> > > Swedes, etc, for NOT coming over?
> >
> > That's bullshit. I've talked to White people who immigrated from Europe. The fact is that at least 90%
> > of all immigrants are non-white. We have thousands pouring in every day.
> >
> > Until the Jews wrecked our immigration policy in 1965, it favored Europe to the extend that it
> > preserved the racial demographics of America.
>
> But it was never MEANT to. Do you see my point? In practice, that may have been how it worked out, but
> that wasn't how it was DESIGNED. In the same way, it is not currently designed to let in more non-whites
> than whites; that is just how it happens to work in practice.

No, what you're saying isn't true. The proponents of the changes in '65 explicitly promised that this would
not allter the racial demographics of the country. Race was a big part of the whole underlying debate. But
like liberals everywhere, no one can believe anything they say.




> Personally, I don't have a problem with it. I would be greatly saddened if I had to live in a whites-only
> country. I'd miss the diversity, the mingling of cultures, the myriad differences that make life
> interesting. A whites-only culture would be too homogenous--like living in a sea of clones.

Your anti-White bias comes out. So to you White people are just clones. No individuality, all the same. What
nonsense.



> > > So this was never--EVER--a "white" country.
> >
> > In 1960 it was 90% White. I'd say that's pretty White.
>
> I don't have figures offhand to dispute this, but I don't believe it. Not with blacks, Hispanics,
> Indians, Asians, and other non-whites figured in. It seems impossible that America could have gone from
> 10% non-white to almost 50% non-white in the last 40 years.

Its still about 70% White, but that number is decreasing. The government estimates that Whites will be below
50% in 2050.



> > America was a White country for all practical purposes until very recently. That's a fact.
>
> For all practical purposes, maybe. But not by design.

Are you saying that the Founders wanted a multiracial country?


> > > > Thomas
> > > > Jefferson said that Whites and Blacks couldn't live in the same country. None of them advocated
> > > > multiracialism.
> > >
> > > Citations? (Especially since Jefferson had no problem cohabitating with Sally Hemmings.)
> >
> > Sure: http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/jefferson.html
>
> One quote by Jefferson--the rest by others. The Jefferson quote seems to support you; without impugning
> your honesty, I would like to know if anyone can certify the quote as genuine. (You may be honestly
> quoting this, in other words, but it ay be as "genuine" as the Pinckney diary forgery which has Franklin
> as an antisemite.) For the moment, I'll give you the argumentative point. Yet Jefferson was not the only
> man involved in the formation of this country, and that you DO know.

There are other quotes I have somewhere, but not quite as explicit as Jefferson's. I might dig them up, but
why should I bother? You'll just demand more. You called me a liar about Jefferson, but when I proved that I
was telling the truth you just switched to someone else. Well, so much for that. Now, I want you to prove to
me that the Founding Fathers created a country in which they wanted their race to be a minority.




> > > Not according to some. Same with Greeks.
> >
> > Probably most Greeks here in the US that I've known or seen I would say are White.
>
> That is your assessment. Some more rabid WPR types would exclude them as "Mediterranean."

I can only speak for myself.



> > I have seen some Idians who look pretty White, especially in the upper classes, but there are many who
> > are definitely too mongrelized. My person recommendation is that if you have to really wonder about
> > someone's racial qualifications, one can pretty much assume they're not White.
>
> How does one "mongrelize" an Indian? With whom are they interbreeding to make "mongrel" children? Why is
> a light-skinned Indian more Indian than a dark-skinned one?

India is not racially monolithic. There are White Aryans there almost as White as many Europeans. Then
there's the other non-white peoples there. "Indian" is not a racial designation.


> > > What are Australian aborigines? Native Americans?
> >
> > Come one, both are definitely not White.
>
> Then what would you do with Native Americans in your ideal white country? They were here first, after all
> (recent speculation to the contrary not confirmed).

They lost their country.

They could stay on their reservations or live amongst us. Their number are so small theiy're really no
threat. They pretty much mind their business anyway.



> > > Not all. And not only that, so what? You represent white people who consider themselves white
> > > first, Americans second or third. What difference is there between you and Jews?
> >
> > I'm not a hypocrite and I'm living in my own country. Those are the two big differences.
>
> Sure you're a hypocrite. I don't sayt his out of hostility, but mere truth. It is hypocritical to call
> oneself an American yet insist that Native Americans are not; it is hypocritical to be living off the
> largesse of immigrants and seek to bar other immigrants. (It seems to me that "Scott" is not, shall we
> say, an "American" name.)

Its as American as they come.



> Let's face it, unless you are a Native American, your claim to this country is
> based on someone, somewhere, having been an immigrant.

My claim is based on the fact that my White ancestors defeated the Indians and took control of this land and
made a great country. Case closed.



> > There was quite a lot of coverage on the news wires. I think the case was just resolved last year.
> >
> > http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ADLspies.html
>
> *sigh* What can I say? They did a wrong thing. I've heard criticism of the ADL from friends of mine, and
> hadn't really kept up on them. According to one of the more reputable of the many links on that page,
> they paid a "substantial" fine. It seems to have been settled civilly rather than criminally, and were I
> better informed on the entire subject, I might have a stronger opinion. But this was a shameful thing to
> have done. (Oddly enough, I can understand their reasoning for having done so--I mean, let's face it,
> Israel has lots of enemies, and you can testify to that. But in protecting themselves against their
> enemies, it seems they went well over ethical boundaries and opened themselves upto the sort of criticism
> that their enemies level at them, creating a damning circle.)
>
> I was amused, though, by one of the articles referring to the IHR as a "crackpot" group. That takes some
> of the edge off this.

You ought to believe what I say next time. I don't make things up.



> > > Not so--not even remotely so. We're going to pour more into the Bosnian region than Israel. Where
> > > do you get your figures? Are they reliable?
> >
> > Wake up and smell the coffee.
>
> Those aren't figures. You prove nothing.

I'm tired of doing all the work because you're ignorant. Go learn what you're talking about.



> > > Prove it.(Matter of fact, a name pops to mind--Sumner Redstone, who runs Viacom. Viacom is a
> > > GIANT--owns MTV, Paramount, all sorts of things. And Redstone is absolutely a Gentile, TTBOMK.)
> >
> > ROTFLOL! Sumner Redstone (Rothstein) is a JEW! You don't even know what you're talking about.
>
> I was certainly under the impression that he is a Gentile.

Your impression is wrong.



> > > You are free and clear to criticize Israel and its policies all you like. It becomes offensive when
> > > you start criticizing Jewish *people* just for being Jewish.
> >
> > That's bullshit. Pat Buchanan doesn't criticize Jews just for being Jews.
>
> Did I mention Pat Buchanan? But no, he uses his "anti-Israel" tactics to slander them, refers to Congress
> as an Israeli lobby group, and declares that there is a "religious war" on for the soul of America. He's
> not particularly tolerant.

All the Jewish press is hostile to Pat and routinely call him a Nazi.



> When you make blanket accusations agains thte Jewish people for conspiratorial actions which do not
> exist, you slander Jews just for being Jews.

I condemn Jews for what they do, not the fact that they're Jews.



> > Well, when I use the term "nigger" I mean irresponsible, criminal, or anti-White Blacks. Can I use it
> > anywhere?
>
> Some places you can. Some places, I wouldn't do it unless my HMO was extremely lenient. It has the taint
> of having been widely used to indicate every single black person. It is, quite simply, a Word to Never
> Use. It's so poisonous that it can't possibly be used neutrally. Even if you were not using it to
> indicate all blacks, that is how it is going to be taken. Find another word. Really.
>
> (By the way, I *am* conscious that if I called some people "rednecks," I'd get popped in the jaw. But
> some people are proud of it--remember the old Hank Williams Jr. song?)

Yes, and many Blacks call each other niggers. I suppose its ok for people within a racial group to use these
words, but not people from other races.


> > > The intelligentsia were involved in Marxism, and Jews have traditionally been well-represented in
> > > intelligentsia because they valued schooling so highly. But the masses, the people who actually
> > > revolted, were almost entirely Gentile--because the population was almost entirely Gentile.
> >
> > Of course there wasn't anywhere near enough Jews to man every position, but that doesn't change the
> > fact that Jews were very disproportionately involved in Marxism.
>
> I would love to see some actual numbers, some day, from someone to back that up. No one has ever produced
> a study or roll of any kind that suggests how many Marxists were Jews and how many not.
> "Disproportionate" is just another vague term with insinuative, but not intrinsic, value.

Here, read this:


JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
Ian McKinney

 One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews
constituted the overwhelming majority of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these facts, it remains undeniable that
communism was both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary movement.

 First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal
and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since Jewishness is not defined exclusively
by adherance to Judaism. A great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists or
agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.

GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

 While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish,
while at the same time denying any otherwise significant Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that passed between American
representatives in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which
clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following quotes are taken directly from documents
available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews
prominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell:
"Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March 1, 1919, comes this telegram
>from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt. Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United
States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews
of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on the make-up of the presiding
Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since
the downfall of the Imperial Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of
Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was married to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered by a
former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev
Bronstein) leader of the Russian Revolution, architect of the Red Army, and commissar of foreign affairs
between 1917-1924. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as
chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky)
headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign
countries. Other prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses
Uritsky.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the Mensheviks, were likewise Jewish-dominated.
It was lead by Theodore Dan, Julius Martov (Tsederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the Jewish Bund)- all
Jews.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none other than Trotzky himself, who
included a reproduction of a widely circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and
married to a Jewess), Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and Lunacharsky
(gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The
Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for
Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social
revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud
immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized
and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the
existing order of things."

EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context, here's three paragraphs from Dr.
George A. Simons, a former superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda Hearing
Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having
come over from the lower east side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor
in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that there was somebody who could speak English,
and their broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these men called
on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm
conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The
latest startling information, given me by someone with good authority, startling information, is this, that
in December, 1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to
be real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution of the winter of 1917, there were
scores of Jews standing on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often
remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we
had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd, but
after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over Petrograd, we at once had a
predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not take kindly to it."

THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are "anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but
they'd be wrong. Here's a few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish
planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also,
through the same Jewish mental an physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of
Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4,
1919)

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews
comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article on
"Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime.
This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of
cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works,
vol. 13, p. 30).

While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, most
synagogues and rabbis were left virtually untouched.

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) conducted a horrendous reign of terror
against the non-Jewish Russian population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20 million
Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in history orchestrated by
Stalin's brother-in-law and the most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course, Kaganovich
certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the
rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. . . "

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were murdered in the 70 years of communist
rule in Russia, many of them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish Communist
bosses.

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the Jewish-Communist connection is discussed? After
all, how does their role in Communism play when juxtaposed with the Jew's fraudulent propaganda image
themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would
the Jew's "holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known? Consider the facts and answer
these questions honestly for your self.

-------------------------------------------------

 There is much more available information for those interested in the whole story, but it is hoped that this
ouline will serve as a handy reference whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged.


(This information is provided as a public service by the WESTERN IMPERATIVE NETWORK
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/



> > > Karl Marx was not a Jew. He renounced Judaism and was an antisemite. One cannot disavow Judaism and
> > > be a Jew!
> >
> > Oh yes you can. there are many atheistic Jews running around.
>
> How can one be a Jew--that is, a follower of the Hebrew God--and an atheist?

I don't know. Ask a Jew.



> > > (What about Lenin, anyway?
> >
> > 25% Jewish
>
> Was he a practicing Jew? Did he go to shul?

I've read that he spoke Yiddish in his home.



> > > Khruschev?
> >
> > Married to a Jewess.
>
> But not a Jew.

Still a Jewish connection.



> > > Stalin?
> >
> > Married to a Jewess. Daughter married to a Jew. Son married to a Jewess.
>
> But not a Jew.

Still a Jewish connection.



> > > Brezhnev?
> >
> > I think he was married to a Jewess.
>
> But not a Jew.

Still a Jewish connection.



> > > Not good enough. Do you actually know of what you speak? This is, in all fairness, what I am trying
> > > to determine.
> >
> > I'm not going to drive to the damn library just to shut you up. I gave you a perfectly obtainable
> > reference and what it said the last time I checked.
>
> Tch, no need to be hostile. We're just having a debate here. But it seems you haven't the numbers on
> which to base those statements. How can you be sure they are true?

That's the number I recall, mainly because it was so astounding.

You should realize that anyone would get irritated by your constant demands for documentation and then when
its produced you either ignore it or demand more.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
> > > > everything harming the White Aryan people.
> > >
> > > And, as I said, not only is this a silly lie, but you obviously do
> > > *nothing* but repeat it ande whine about it. That's precisely what I
> > > meant: the white-power guys are too busy with self-pity and blaming the
> > > jews for everything to actually do something to "help the white race."
> >
> > Ok, IYO, What should I do to help the White race?
>
> In my opinion, get stuck down dead by a thunder bolt. It
> would help restore people's faith in God.

I doubt that, because such an occurance would prove that Satan controls the thunder.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > What else would a bunch of Nizkorites think? The day you people start liking
> > me is that day I better do some serious self-reflection.
>
> Typical delusions of grandeur: if everybody hates me, it's all THEIR
> fault. After all, there couldn't bhe anything wrong with MY behavior...

That's not what I said at all. I get along with almost everybody. Its just you
Nizkooks who hate everybody that doesn't accept the idea that Jews are a
powerless, inoffensive, and giving minority. I've know a number of Jews. Some were
ok, but in my experience, the ones associated with Nizkor are about the most
obnoxious Jews I've ever seen. The only ones worse are probably are those from the
JDO, who, by judging by their website, see very gentile who's not constantly
praising Jews as a either a dangerous Nazi or a potential Nazi.

Their website is really amazing. http://www.jdo.org

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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm  wrote in message news:381EE32A.671913ED@usaor.net...
>
> > I have the book right in front of me now. The quote is on page 155.
>
> Then you won't mind producing the full bibliographic rundown (Author, Title,
> publisher, Place of Publication, Year of Publication, number of pages) of
> this book, will you now?
>
> How odd that it was not on the IHR books page at
> http://www.ihr.org/books/books.html
> isn't it? Of course there, they only have ten denier books listed, and nine
> of these have been colored in.
>
> Nor could I find such a book listed when I searched the books section at
> Amazon.com for 'Maurice Samuel'. Books of his listed include 'Gentleman and
> the Jew', 'The Great Hatred', 'Haggadah of Passover', 'Harvest in the
> Desert', 'Prince in the Ghetto', 'Youth in Revolt', 'Certain People of the
> Book', 'In Praise of Yiddish', 'The World of Shalom Aleichem', and 'The
> Worlds of Maurice Samuel: Selected Writings'.
>
> How odd it is that even IHR does not advertise this publically. Can someone
> say.... 'forgery'?

Try National Vanguard Books

http://www.natvan.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=350&p_catid=10&sid=4YRKczOCc9zn8Jq

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Osborne
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steve wolk wrote:

> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
>
> Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> Learned Elders of Zion".

Ok, what is it a forgery of?



>  Are we to assume that the Samuel book has not
> been tampered with by the publisher?

I don't know why you people are so incredulous, he could have just as easily quoted
Dr. Oscar Levy, another well-known Jew who comments similarly . He was a figure of
international repute who edited and financed the English edition of Nietzsche's
works in sixteen volumes. In the preface to the book "The World Significance of the
Russian Revolution" by Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford University, Levy
stated: "We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who
have posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having given it the
Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its
incendiaries, its executioners..." .

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> [distribution trimmed]
>
> In article <3821124F.420493E0@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >No, what you're saying isn't true. The proponents of the changes in '65
> >explicitly promised that this would
> >not allter the racial demographics of the country. Race was a big part
> >of the whole underlying debate. But
> >like liberals everywhere, no one can believe anything they say.
>
> Perhaps Mr. Scott would be kind enough to tell us who made the
> explicit promise, and where we might find it documented - the
> Congressional Record would certainly be acceptable in that regard.

Sen. Edward Kennedy spoke for the group that supported abolishing the
pro-White qualifications in immigration laws. Jewish Senators Jacob Javits
and Manuel Cuellar were the leading proponents of the changes. But, of
course, virtually all Jews favored these changes: "It was only after World
War II that immigration law was drastically changed....In one of the first
pieces of evidence of its political coming-of-age, the Jewish community has
a leadership
role in effecting those changes." (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, July 23,
1993).

Try again, Kenny.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Sara wrote:

> In article <38214485.97067028@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > steve wolk wrote:
> >
> > > Richard Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > > The title of the book is "You Gentiles." The author is Maurice Samuel.
> > > > It is #0116 in the catalog of The Noontide Press (which is a marketing
> > > > affiliate of IHR). The price is $8.00.
> > >
> > > Noontide Press also publishes the proven forgery "Protocols of the
> > > Learned Elders of Zion".
> >
> > Ok, what is it a forgery of?
> >
>
> Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>
> My God, they're raising an idiotic crop of Revisionists these days.

No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there must be
an original. I want to see the original that was apparently forged!

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Sara wrote:
>
> > Are you claiming the Protocols are for REAL??
>
> =============================================================
> Phillips
>
> I am not myself prepared to say whether they are real or not; I have
> neither the training nor the resources that would qualify me to make a
> pronouncement of that sort.
> What I AM saying is that the Protocols' factuality or lack thereof is of
> much less importance than the fact that events HAVE evolved in pretty
> much the manner that the Protocols projected.

Yes, I agree, regardless of their origin the Protocols can be very unnerving to
read. So many things discussed have happened or continue to happen.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne

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Sara wrote:

> In article <38210752.72A870A2@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Personally, I couldn't care less what kind of government the Jews have
> in Israel.
>
> Yet YOU were the one who brought up democracy.
>
> Can't stand the heat, can you?

What heat? Sara, you're living in La-La land.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Alan Morgan wrote:

> In article <381F435F.C1AA41B9@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> >That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
> >minority in their own country within the next 70 years?
>
> Why doesn't it bother you that blacks are minorities in their country right now?

Because I'm not Black and Blacks never were a majority.


>  Why
> doesn't it bother you that American Indians are a minority in their country right
> now?

I'm not an Indian.



> Why doesn't it bother you that descendents of Mexicans and Asians are minorities
> in their country right now?

The last time I checked Mexicans were the majority in Mexico. The same with Asians. I know of no
Asian country that's not majority Asian.



> Could it be because you are a bigot?

No, a bigot bases his opinions on untruths. I use facts.



> And yes, it *is* their country.  Every bit as much as it is your country and *more* than
> it is my country, because I wasn't born here.

Why, because you were made a "citizen?" My people have been here since before the country was
actually formed. Get lost with your nonsense.



> There is always some group that is going to be a minority in their own country.  Duh.
> I hope that when white, atheist British-born Americans become a minority, that they'll
> be treated reasonably well.

When that happens there won't be any America as any of us would want to have. It will be political
correctness amplified 100X.



>  I think I'll start by treating the current minorities
> reasonably well and, with a bit of luck, they'll reciprocate.

I think these minorities get treated pretty well. A lot better than they treat Whites in their
countries. If you don't believe me, go to Mexico and see if you can get welfare and all the programs
and benefits that minorities get in America. Go to China and tell them you're just as Chinese as they
are. Go to Africa and see how many affirmative action and set-asides they'll give you.



> >> But you forget: there is no "white race."
> >
> >That's nonsense.
>
> Biologists don't like the concept of race.

Politically correct biologists maybe. But the fact remains that people and governments recognize
race. We have a whole bureaucracy built on race issues.



> >Funny, we don't have any problem at all in determining who's White. Yoy liberals must be
> >awafully confused if you can identify a White person from a Black or Asian.
>
> People from the Indian sub-continent (and boy, they *hate* it when I call it a sub-
> continent.  Heh heh) are usually classified as white.

By who, not me.



> >They're still Jews and see themselves as part of a larger Jewish community. They have a ethnic
> >consciousness apart from being members of the caucasian race or the nation in which they live.
> >They are Jews first, everything else second or third.
>
> Same with a great many Catholics.

Not like with Jews.


>  Same with a great many Texans (and if you don't believe me,
> you have never met a Texan).

I lived in Texas for six years. Your example is silly.



> >I don't keep a list of them, but their existance has been confirmed by both Buchanan himself and
> >at least one Jewish writer that I can confirm.
>
> How many of them are Protestant?  Huh?  How many?  Why don't you find *that* significant?

Jews are abouit 4% of the population. Protestants are, what, 50% or more?



> >> By the way, they weren't being blamed for Jews being Marxist revolutionaries. They were
> >> blamed for being Jews.
> >
> >Marxism is a Jewish ideology. It was created by a Jew and promoted by Jews.
>
> It was promoted by a lot of people.  It was very popular among British intellectuals in
> the early part of this century, for example (several of whom were not Jewish).  I also was
> not aware that Chairman Mao was Jewish.  Funny.  He doesn't *look* Jewish.

I have no doubt that Jews helped Mao, but its ludicrous to suggest that a caucasian Jew could be a
leader in China. The Jew's leadership of Marxist revolution, subversion, and espionage has been
limited to the West for obvious reasons.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's privacy and I had an
> > opportunity to be the teacher.
>
> Like hell you were. All you did was provide another reason
> for the FBI and other authorities to keep an eye on you.

My record is completely spotless. I haven't even had a traffic ticket in 20 years. If
the police keep an eye on me they'll probably fall asleep.



> Imagine, threatening to "hold the feet" of a witness in a
> criminal case "to the fire." No wonder you Nazis lost the
> war -- all hate and no brains.

My postings had nothing to do with any trial and you know that. I don't know anything
about that trial anyway except that that case was over two years ago. What bullshit. My
postings had to do with showing what a pathetic hypocrite McVay really is. Maybe he
should start respecting other people's privacy for a change. For four years I've put up
with his constant poking into my private life. I haven't done that to anyone before this
and I have no plans on making it my practice. Of course, McVay will probably continue,
but at least I demonstrated to any moral person just what a two-faced hypocrite he is.

I consider myself to be a cut above the ex-gas jockey.

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to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <38194EE6.41D85B79@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >RockyMtnCougar wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3818B6DF.2A0A8192@usaor.net>, heap big white trash loser
> >> ipm  wrote:
> >> Yep, typical Nazi scum-bucket. Get ticked off at a Marine, call up
> >> reinforcements and go find a woman to beat up.
> >
> >Are you as dumb as you sound? Your buddy, McVay, the big marine, had to use a
> >woman in a futile attempt against me.
> >
> Anonymous Coward:
>
> Thanks for the good work you're doing. Those of us who believe in fighting
> hate and racism are delighted at how much help you're giving us!

Don't bluster, Sara. McVay came out looking like an ass. I set the trap and he
fell for it. We goyim aren't as dumb as you think we are.

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Buck Turgidson wrote:

>
> Note that this is not actually an answer. Ken asked for proof of a promise made;
> Willie gave three names with unattributed positions, and followed with a quote
> that does not directly apply to the topic.

Ok, here you go. The following shows that the proponents of the 1965 Immigration
changes did in fact promise that the racial demographics of America would not be
altered by the changes they demanded.

>From Alian Nation by Peter Brimlow:

DECEPTIVE REVOLUTION OF 1965

"A detailed account of Congress's deluded intent and the dramatic consequences
appears in Lawrence Auster's devastating The Path to National Suicide: An Essay on
Immigration and Multiculturalism, " perhaps the most remarkable literary product of
the Restrictionist underground, a work which I think will one day be seen as a
political pamphlet to rank with Tom Paine's Common Sense. Today, it is astonishing
to read in Auster's account the categorical assurances given by the 1965 Immigration
Act's supporters. " What the bill will not do, " summarized its floor manager.
Immigration Subcommittee chairman Senator Edward Kennedy (D.- Massachusetts):
“First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the
proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. . .
. Secondly, the ETHNIC MIX OF THE COUNTRY WILL NOT BE UPSET. . . . Contrary to the
charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from
any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and
Asia. . . . In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the
proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.
Kennedy also went on to denounce those "critics" of his bill in the terms that all
students of the American immigration debate have come to know and love: “The charges
I have mentioned are highly emotional, irrational and with little foundation in
fact. They are out of line with the obligations of responsible citizenship. They
breed hate of our eritage . . .”

Every one of Senator Kennedy's assurances has proven false. Immigration levels did
surge upward. They are now running at around a million a year, not counting
illegals. Immigrants do come predominantly from one area—some 85 percent of the 16.7
million legal immigrants arriving in the United States between 1968 and 1993 came
>from the Third World: 47 percent from Latin America and  the Caribbean; 34 percent
>from Asia. (What's more, nearly half of all the 1968-93 immigration came from
Spanish-speaking countries, dramatically contrasting with the First, polyglot Great
Wave and enough to establish for the first time the possibility of permanent
"bilingual"—more accurately, Spanish-language—enclaves in the United States.) Also,
immigrants did come disproportionately from one country—20 percent from Mexico.
(Indeed, 74 percent of the legal immigrants came from just 15 of the 191 sovereign
countries in the world, and not even the largest of them. See Appendix 2, page 285.)
And as we have seen, immigration from Africa (about 2
percent of the post-1968 total) has reappeared for the first time since the
abolition of the Slave Trade. Finally, and above all, the ethnic pattern of
immigration to the United States did change sharply. In fact, it could hardly have
changed more sharply. And the ethnic mix of the country has, of course, been upset."

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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara wrote:

> In article <3821B22E.2F854441@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > What heat? Sara, you're living in La-La land.
> >
> Sorry, Spunky. I live in Colorado.

Mentally you're in La-La land.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 10 13:50:58 EST 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> The news item below is for those who do not agree with
> Germany's laws against Nazis. Germans, of course, are among
> the most informed about the murderous evil that is inherent
> in Nazism.

That's crap. Germans are the most brainwashed people when it comes to
National Socialism. They've been under occupation since 1945.


> Unfortunately, Americans are rather slow in
> catching on.

IOW, the FBI isn't throwing everyone in jail who has a less than
flattering opinion of Jews. That's what you mean.


> I wonder how many people will have to be murdered this time
> before Americans wake up and smell the Zyklone.

The worst punishment I could think of  for Jews would be to remove them
>from all gentile nations, send them all to Israel, and then make them
live together! I'll bet they couldn't take it.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by
Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 10 13:50:59 EST 1999
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Charles Don Hall wrote:

> ipm@usaor.net (ipm) wrote in <3821AFDA.1142B6B7@usaor.net>:
>
> >No, but why is always called a "forgery." If its a forgery, then there
> >must be an original. I want to see the original that was apparently
> >forged!
>
> OK, I see where you're confused. It turns out that it's possible to have
> a forgery without an original.
>
> Suppose I carved a statue and then passed it off as something from the
> Roman Empire. It would be considered a "forgery"...even if I hadn't been
> copying any particular Roman statue or imitating the style of any
> particular Roman sculptor.

No, I think that would simply be called a fake. I never heard the Protocols
referred to as being fake. Its always called a forgery. Its almost like
someone knows there's an original floating around somewhere and that explains
the very specific and consistant terminology. Just speculating.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Aviator wrote:

> Not to mention that bank records are for sale so ANY agency who cares can
> get their information from such transactions.

That's nonsense.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 10 13:51:00 EST 1999
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Now the best source for patriotic books and tapes is even better and
more convenient. The NVB website ( http://www.natvan.com ) has just been
upgraded to accept Visa and Master Card.

Spread the word.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by
Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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steve wolk wrote:

> Richard Phillips wrote:
>
> > Or possibly you have wondered why it was that Jeffrey had to spend his
> > wedding night on his stomach.
> > Answer: The groom was in--different. (haw)
>
> What is it about the Nazi mentality that gives itself to sexual
> innuendo?  We know, at least in Richard Phillips' case, that it is a
> life of virginity and masturbation combined with sexual repression.

Sounds like you have extensive personal experience in that area.

--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Richard Phillips wrote:
> >
> > > Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> > > are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?
> >
> > I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
> > yet?
> >
>
> It's only a matter of time until a Nazi gets to the ultimate weapon in
> his "arsenal of truth" and begins to smear anyone who disagrees with
> him/it as a homosexual.  Willi took a little longer than average but has
> finally arrived at his goal.  Ironic since the NSDAP was such a haven
> for homosexuals like Ernst Roehm and his brownshirts.

Strange thing is that for all the fags which your ilk claims infest White Nationalist
groups, I have never met one in over eight years of being a member of the National
Alliance. The only certified queer that I've really ever heard about was that Jew Frank
Cohen who infiltrated the Chicago Nazi group back in the 1970s. Cohen was messing with
young boys and when his membership found out they turned him over to the police.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> I guess Liar wants one set of rules for himself, and another for everyone
> else. Hmmmm...

Don't avoid the question. Are you a homosexual? Yes or no.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Richard Phillips wrote:

> Oh and by the way, Jeffrey, I trust your (heh heh) "wife and children"
> are well. You DO have a wife and children, don't you, Jeffrey?

I always heard that Jeffery Brown was a queer. Brown, are you a fag or not? Got AIDS
yet?

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Aviator wrote:

> ipm  wrote in message news:38232190.C7B8FB5@usaor.net...
> >
> >
> > Aviator wrote:
> >
> > > Not to mention that bank records are for sale so ANY agency who cares
> can
> > > get their information from such transactions.
> >
> > That's nonsense.
>
> Sorry. I forgot. You live in the backwoods of PA. There is a hue and cry in
> California (You know, the state relevant to this NG.) over the sale of bank
> customer lists to the highest bidder. What makes you think the rest of your
> information is safe??

I think its pretty obvious that I buy from NVB and don't really care who knows.

You act like its illegal to buy books. Of course, I realize you probably would
like it to be illegal to do so, but so far Americans can still buy books from
whomever they choose.

Of course, you have no proof whatsoever that any particular information about
who buys what from NVB would be obtained by anyone.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <382225B1.D103C42D@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Ok, here you go. The following shows that the proponents of the 1965 Immigration
> >changes did in fact promise that the racial demographics of America would not be
> >altered by the changes they demanded.
> >
> >From Alian Nation by Peter Brimlow:
> >
> >DECEPTIVE REVOLUTION OF 1965
>
> [...]
>
> >Act's supporters. " What the bill will not do, " summarized its floor manager.
> >Immigration Subcommittee chairman Senator Edward Kennedy (D.- Massachusetts):
> >“First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants
> >annually. Under the
> >proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially
> >the same. . .
> >. Secondly, the ETHNIC MIX OF THE COUNTRY WILL NOT BE UPSET. . . .
> >Contrary to the
> >charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with
> >immigrants from
> >any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of
> >Africa and
> >Asia. . . . In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the
> >proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics
> >seem to think.
> >Kennedy also went on to denounce those "critics" of his bill in the
>
> Where did Senator Kennedy say these things, Mr. Scott? Did the author
> cited document that, say from the Congressional Record, or do we just
> have to take his word for it?

Peter Brimlow is the editor of Forbes amagazine and his book "Alien Nation" has been
critically reviewed by the mostly hostile mainstream press. If such information was
fake, it would have been publicized all over. Besides that, the statements extracted
>from the Congressional Record are well known among immigrantion opponents and have
been discussed extensively. If you've actually suggesting that Kennedys and the other
wreckers of our immigration policy never made such comments, then you really do need
to educate yourself before wasting my time in a discussion on this issue.


> Have any American cities, by the way, been "flooded with a million
> immigrants annually?" Which ones, and where does the data come from?
> How did you determine (1) the ethnic mix of the country in 1965, and
> how do you determine (2) the ethnic mix of the country now?

With population statistics from the Census department which Brimlow provides in the
back of the book that I'm looking at right now. For example, on pages 281 and 282 he
provides data from the INS which shows that in the period 1820-1967 89% of all
immigrants to America came from Europe and Canada. From 1968-1993 that portion had
dropped all the way to 16%. Immigrants from Asia, Latin America, and Africa made up
the remaining 84%.

If you really want to dispute any other information, I suggest you spend some of that
Jew money you get and buy your own copy of Brimlow's book. Its available just about
anywhere. I suspect it even gets past the thought control censors in Canada.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
> Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
> and another set for everyone else. Silly me...

Brown, are you a queer?

--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> >
> > > But that's not "physical evidence", Liar. Oops, I forgot -- in Mighty
> > > Whitey Cloud-Cuckoo-Land, there's one set of rules for Richard Philllips,
> > > and another set for everyone else. Silly me...
> >
> > Brown, are you a queer?
>
> You seem a tad obsessed, Red. I cannot help but question why that might be. You know,
> the common wisdom is that the worst homophobes are usually repressed homosexuals
> themselves. Care to try to disprove that?

I really don't think I'm a homophobe. I don't approve of homosexual activity, but I don't
hate homosexuals themselves. I'm just asking Brown whether he's queer. If its no big deal
he should just say yes or no. However, I'm interpreting his avoidance in answering as a
"yes."

These Nizkooks are always wanting personal info on everybody. I think the least they can
do is make their own info available.

--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3825EC02.9A2DA4B4@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> In article <382525D2.4D206146@calweb.com>, rick markell
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >  So you think it is a "smear" to call someone a homosexual?
> >>
> >> That is how the Mighty Whitey Power Rangers use it.
> >
> >Brown, why do you avoid answering whether you're a homosexual? Can we
> >assume that your silence is a "yes?"
>
> And why would you do that, Williworm -- except to smear someone?

No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Which cities, Mr. Scott? Don't give me some song and dance about
> census data, ecause none of your information tells us why cities were
> "flooded" with those millions.
>
> Which cities, Mr.Scott?

Kenny, I'm not going to waste my time going tit-for-tat on each and every statistic
I might cite. You're only trying to deliberately obstruct the truth. On the wild
chance that you have any honest interest, I suggest you just go to the following
website and educate yourself on the Jew's subversion of US immigration policy:

http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html

--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
>
> What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold of a good
> baseless slander, you just can't put it down.

How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it? That's all I'm
asking. I haven't said that Jeffery Brown is a homosexual. I only asked if he was
because I've heard that rumor.

--
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <382780DE.33FE9A4B@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> >> Which cities, Mr. Scott? Don't give me some song and dance about
> >> census data, ecause none of your information tells us why cities were
> >> "flooded" with those millions.
> >>
> >> Which cities, Mr.Scott?
>
> >Kenny, I'm not going to waste my time going tit-for-tat on each and
> >every statistic
> >I might cite. You're only trying to deliberately obstruct the truth. On the wild
> >chance that you have any honest interest, I suggest you just go to the following
> >website and educate yourself on the Jew's subversion of US immigration policy:
>
> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
> immigrants a year.

Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is absolutely true
that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.


> No wonder he's considered a liar.
> He can't substantiate the claimed "promise" he says a Kennedy made...
> he won't tell us when, and he won't tell us where, but he will tell us
> that all of those "promises" were broken.... but when pressed to prove
> this, he caves in (again) and runs away.

The statements were made by Kennedy, Javits, and Cuellar.

--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A27B.655D8CDB@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> >> ipm wrote:
> >>
> >> > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
> >>
> >> What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold
> of a good
> >> baseless slander, you just can't put it down.
> >
> >How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?
>
> It's baseless because you have no facts on which to base the assumption,
> Williworm.

Well, then just answer the question: Are you a homosexual? A "yes" or a "no" is all
that's required to end the discussion.


--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3827A27B.655D8CDB@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> >How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it?
> >That's all I'm
> >asking. I haven't said that Jeffery Brown is a homosexual. I only asked
> >if he was
> >because I've heard that rumor.
>
> There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
> and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
> baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?

No, I can deny that very easily and without any hesitation: I have never had
sexual intercourse with a taxicab. Case closed. See, Brown, its easy. Now,
just tell us whether you have ever had sexual intercourse with another man?


> I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
> if he did because I've heard that rumour.

The rumor is not true.


> Sexual preference isn't anyone's business but one's partner's, Mr.
> Scott. The fact that you might be more than a little amorous with
> sheep has no bearing upon your bankrupt political views... they're
> bankrupt no matter who you like to diddle.

Why so concerned about privacy all of a sudden, McVay? You never seemed
concerned before. You were eager to obtain anything you could on your
political opponents and then spread it on the Net. You're a miserable
hypocrite of the lowest order.



> That being the case, why don't you quit with the innuendo and see if
> you can deal with FACTUAL DATA instead?

That's what I'm trying to do. Get to the facts. That's why I'm asking
Jeffery Brown if he is in fact a homosexual. Only he can confirm or deny
that rumor, just as I denied the rumor that I had sex with taxicabs.



> You know, like addressing your
> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
> immigrants a year....

I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
decade can certainly be described as "flooding." Of course, I realize that
to a liberal, anti-White mind like your's no amount of non-white immigration
is too much, so the concept of a city being "flooded with immigrants" is
totally incomprehensible to you.

This point is only an aside to the main point, which you have conveniently
avoid, that Jews have been almost unanimously in support of open borders and
non-white immigration and played an important role in changing our
immigration policy from one that maintained the racial balance to one which
guarantees Whites will become a minority. That case has been made powerfully
by Dr. MacDonald and his books on Jewish impact on immigration policy:

http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html

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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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jottopohl@my-deja.com wrote:

> .
> >
> > With the exception of Bela Kun, leader of a short-lived communist
> republic
> > in turbulant Hungary right after WW I, not a single leader of a
> communst
> > state in Europe or anywhere else has been a Jew. With the exception
> of two
> > or three men of Jewish background such as the Soviet foreign minister
> and,
> > later, ambassador to the USA during the first years of WW II, Maxim
> > Litvinov, not a single minister in a Soviet governemnt has been a
> Jew. It's
> > been Russians and Russified Ukrainians, with a sprinkling of
> Armenians,
> > Georgians, and Latvianbs, all the way. The same holds true, mutatis
> > mutandis, for *all* of the other communist governments in Europe.
> Everyone
> > from Yuri Andropov to Enver Hoxha to Todor Zhivkov was of gentile
> > background. If the Jews were so much involved in promoting communism,
> how
> > come they couldn't even get a token one per cent of the top jobs in a
> > communist government?
> >
>
> Mr. Holman, there were more Jewish ministers in the Soviet government
> than just Litvinov. Genrikh Yagoda was NKVD chief from 34 to 36 and
> Lazar and his brother Mikhail Kaganovich both held ministry level
> positions under Stalin. In fact Lazar Kaganovich was a member of
> Stalin's politburo throughout his entire reign. Also Bela Kun was not
> the only Jewish Communist head of state in Hungary. Rakosi was also of
> Jewish descent. I do not know why you wish to deny the ethnic identity
> of Kaganovich and Yagoda, but both were Jews in the highest ranks of
> Stalin's regime.

Agreed. Holman is a liar.

JEWS AND THEIR DISPROPORTIONATE INVOLVEMENT IN COMMUNISM (Rev. 1.8)
Ian McKinney

One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the majority of the Bolshevik
leadership and were found in very disproportionate numbers in other Marxist
regimes across eastern Europe. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone who brings up these facts as an
"anti-Semite" or "hatemonger", it remains undeniable that communism was
both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary movement.

First, it is a fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew
because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended from
rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289). Whether he was a
"religous" Jew is of no significant importance in this discussion, since
Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. The Jews
themselves argue almost constantly over what makes one a Jew. Nonetheless,
a great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists
or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. Regardless of
interpretations, Marx was from an undeniably Jewish family and his children
"retained or regained a sense of Jewish identity" according to Benjamin
Ginsberg in "The Fatal Embarce - Jews and the State", in which he then goes
on to conclude: "Marx took little pride in his Jewishness. He must be
considered a prime candidate for that problematic category with Lasalle and
Heine, of the self-hating Jew." Marx was of indisputable Jewish ancestry,
perhaps "self-hating" Jew, but a Jew nonetheless.


GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede
that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any otherwise
significant Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which clearly
identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following quotes are taken
directly from documents available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5,
1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each
town consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United
States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning
guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on
the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians,
AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from
the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading
Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was
married to the suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered
by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have
been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) leader of the Russian
Revolution, was architect of the Red Army, and commissar of foreign affairs
between 1917-1924. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -
head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the
Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading
revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included street
agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs
commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov
Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky head of the Commisary for the Constituent
Assembly.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the Mensheviks,
the percentage of Jews was even grater. It was led by Theodore Dan, Julius
Martov (Zederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the Jewish Bund)- all
Jews. Likewise, the two other principle Marxist factions in conflict with
the Bolsheviks and who often sided with the Mensheviks, were Rosa
Luxembrg's Polish Social Democrats (Luxemberg, a Jew, was one of the top
Marxist agitators later who worked with another Marxist Jew, Karl
Liebnecht, in revolutionary activities in Germany until 1919, when both
were assassinated by German Freikorps militiamen.) and the revolutionary
Jewish Bund.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none
other than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely
circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following
persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and married to a suspected Jewess),
Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and
Lunacharsky (gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January
1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are
Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or
any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a
worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: "Unless
Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one
form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and
worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy
for their own ends the existing order of things."

Now, as in just about any kind of suppressed history, occasionally the
truth leaks out. So far the Jews in the Establishment media mainly, have
been pretty successful at preventing widespread knowledge of their
involvement in Marxism. Nonetheless, every now and then a book unavoidably
does get published that discloses things the Jews would rather remain
hidden from public view. For example, in the Sunday Telegraph (London,
England: Nov. 18, 1990) the question was asked, "Why then has it (Winter in
Moscow) never been republished? The answer may lie in Muggeridge's handling
of what was then called the 'Jewish question.'...Winter in Moscow is
acutely concerned with Jews...It was of course the case that a very
disproportionate number of the early Bolsheviks were Jews and thus of
commissars and apparatchiki..."


EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three full paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United
States Senate, 65th Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side of
New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor in
Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that there was
somebody who could speak English, and their broken English showed that they
had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these men called on me and
were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in this thing right from
the beginning, and it soon became evident that more than half the agitators
in the socalled Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm conviction
that this thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east
side of New York...The latest startling information, given me by someone
with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the
section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known as
Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real
Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls
himself Professor Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution
of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on the benches
and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often remarked to
my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.'
Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a
restriction against having Jews in Petrograd, but after the revolution they
swarmed in there and most of the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that was
to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not
take kindly to it."

Even as recently as 1965, a study by the US Senate Judiciary Committee of
anti-Jewish policies of the Soviet government at that time entitled "The
Soviet Empire, A Study of Discrimination and Abuse of Power" revealed that
before WW2 a whopping 41.1% of the members of the entire Supreme Soviet had
been Jews despite being a mere 2% of the population.


TOP JEWISH BANKER FINANCED THEM

Not only were Jews represented in amazing numbers among the Marxist
revolutionaries, but the most wealthy Jewish bankers gave loans and other
financing. In the New York Journal-American of Feburary 3, 1949 society
columnist Cholly Knickerbocker revealed that Jacob Schiff's grandson, a
prominent member of New York society at that time, revealed that his
grandfather firm Kuhn, Loeb "sank" $20 million dollars into the "final
triumph of Bolshevism in Russia." Schiff's early and generous financial aid
to the Bolsheviks is also confirmed in the Jewish Communal Register of New
York City for 1917-1918.


THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some opponents might automatically assume that the preceding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unconvincing, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new
order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,
thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by
Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an physical
forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American Hebrew,
September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many
Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of
the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919)

"You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are
intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have been at the bottom
not merely of the latest great war but of all your wars, not only of the
Russian but of every other major revolution in your history." (Marcus Eli
Ravage, Century Magazine, January-February 1928).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
population." (Stuart Kahan (grandson of Lazar Kagaonvich), The Wolf of the
Kremlin, p. 81)

"We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who
have posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having
given it the Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers,
its destroyers, its incendiaries, its executioners..." (Dr. Oscar Levy,
preface to the book The World Significance of the Russian Revolution by
Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford University)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and
Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large scale,
and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article on
"Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

ANTI-SEMITISM MADE A CAPITAL OFFENSE

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called
"anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme
form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

JEWISH-LED SECRET POLICE MURDER MILLIONS

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one operation alone, they deliberately starved to death 8 to
15 million Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most
vile campaigns in history orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law and the
most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course, Kaganovich
certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine Jews made up
nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce
Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. Veteran Chicago Tribune
Baltic correspondant, Donald Day, exposed yet another Jew: "Artemic
Bagratovich Khalatov (Jewish) headed that branch of the Cheka which
organized the food supply of the Soviets. He organized the punitive
expeditions of the Cheka which confiscated the grain and foodstuffs from
the peasants. A policy whose direct result was the great famine of
1920-21."

The prominance of Jews in Soviet secret police agencies was not isolated to
the Unkraine, Benjamin Ginsberg discusses this in his 1994 book "The Fatal
Embrace - Jews and the State": "During the 1920s and 1930s, Jews were a
major element in the secret police and other Soviet security forces.
Genrikh Yagoda, for instance, served as chief of the secret police during
the 1930s. Yagoda had been a pharmacist before the Revolution and
specialized in preparing poisons for his agents to use in liquidating
Stalin's opponents.

Ginsberg continues in the next paragraph by describing how Jews greatly
expanded and organized the murderous Soviet Gulag prison system: "Other
high-ranking Jewish secret policemen included Matvei Berman and Naftali
Frenkel who helped to expand and institutionalize the slave labor system.
Slave laborers working under Frenkel's supervision built the White-Sea
Baltic Canal in 1932. As many as 200,000 workers perished while completing
this project. Another Jewish security officer, K. V. Pauker, served as
chief of operations of the secret police in the 1930s. Lev lnzhir was chief
accountant for the Gulag. M. T. Gay headed the special secret police
department that conducted the purges of the 1930s. In what came to be
called the "Great Terror," he supervised the mass arrests, trials, and
executions of Stalin's opponents. Two other Jewish secret policemen, A. A.
Slutsky and Boris Berman, were in charge of Soviet terror and espionage
abroad during the 1930s. Jews were also important in the Red Army. In
addition to Trotsky, prominent Jewish generals included Yona Yakir, who was
a member of the Communist party central committee; Dmitri Schmidt, a civil
war hero and commander of the Kiev area; and Yakob Kreiser, a hero of the
defense of Moscow during the Second World War."

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 80 million persons were
murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly
at the hands of Jews at the order of Jewish Communist secret police bosses
using execution, starvation, assassination, and the Gulag slave labor
prisons.

JOSEPH STALIN'S JEWISH CONNECTIONS

Although there's occasional claims that Stalin himself was of Jewish
ancestry, I have found no evidence so far to support that, however, there's
no doubt that Stalin had many Jewish connections through marriage. Most
notably Stalin's third wife was Rosa Kaganovich, was a sister of his right
hand man, Lazar Kaganovich, mentioned in the preceding paragraph. Also
Stalin's daughter, Svetlana, married Mihail Kaganovich, son of Lazar in
1951. Stalin's son, Vassili, married Svetlana Molotov, the half-Jewish
daughter of then vice-premier Molotov, whose wife was a sister to Jewish
businessman Sam Karp of the Karp Export-Import Co. of Bridgeport, Conn.
(The preceding information was drawn from a July 15, 1951 Associated Press
article "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed" and a July 14, 1941 Life magazine
article highlighting the Kaganovich family.)


OTHER JEWISH-MARXIST REGIMES

GERMANY(BAVARIA)

In the aftermath of WW1, Communists staged an ultimately unsucessful
takeover of Germany, which only succeded in gaining control of Bavaria for
a short time. From "The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State": "Among the
most vehement opponents of the Socialist provisional government was the
German Communist party, whose leadership also included a number of Jews. In
1919, under the direction of party chief Paul Levi, the KPD staged a revolt
against the Socialist provisional government. One of the most prominent
leaders of this revolt was Rosa Luxemburg, who was later captured and
murdered by rightist paramilitary forces. Jews were also among the leaders
of the Communist government that the KPD briefly established in Bavaria
after the murder of Kurt Eisner. Eugene Levine was head of the short-lived
Bavarian Soviet Republic, Gustav Landauer was its commissar for propaganda
and cultural affairs, and Ernst Toller commanded its "red army." This
regime was crushed in May 1919 by free corps forces."

Of Kurt Eisner, John Toland comments in his book, "Adolf Hitler": "In
Munich another insurrection broke out on November 7. It was led by Kurt
Eisner, a small elderly Jew wearing a black floppy hat which, large as it
was, couldn't contain a shock of wild hair. Especially untidy, he was a
living cartoon of the bomb-throwing Red."

HUNGARY

Jewish preponderance was evident outside of Russia and first became obvious
during the short-lived Marxist takeover of Hungary in the spring of 1919
led by the Jew, Bela Kuhn (Cohen) and a group of mostly Jewish
revolutionaries. The political murders, suppression and communizing of the
country's industrial and agricultural resources, which produced a famine in
the cities, combined with the peasantry's antipathy for the Jews, resulted
in Kuhn's eventual overthrow after only three months.  In an amazingly
frank report, the "New International Year Book of 1919 (Dodd, Mead, Co.,
page 587) has summarized the situation: "One of the chief weaknesses in the
new regime was antipathy to the Jews. In the country districts the feeling
was widespread that the revolution had been a movement on the part of the
Jews to seize the power for themselves, and the remark was frequently heard
that if the Jews of Budapest died of starvation, so much the better for the
rest of the country. The government of Bela Kun was composed almost
exclusively of Jews who held also the administrative offices."

Bela Kuhn was deposed and interned in a lunatic asylum. Eventually he was
released and returned to Russia where he assumed control of the Cheka
secret police in southern Russia.

In 1945, with then end of the war Hungary fell under the control of the
USSR, Matyas Rakosi, another Jew, was installed as supreme dictator with
two other Jews, Erno Gero and Zoltan Vas in the number two and three
positions. This is confirmed by John Gunther in his book "Behind the Iron
Cutain." Rakosi was an intimate of Stalin, knew Lenin, and was a commissar
under Bela Kuhn.

According to Benjamin Ginsberg, other powerful Jews in Hungary were Peter
Gabor who commanded the secret police and Joseph Revai as minister of
culture and chief party propagandist. Jews also headed the state planning
office, the ministry controlling industry and commerce, and Radio Hungary.

ROMANIA

The Jewess, Anna Pauker, became dictator of Romania from 1947 to 1952. She
also served as minister of foreign affairs in Poland and East Germany. Anna
was born in Bucharest of orthodox Jewish parents. Her father (who was a
Kosher butcher) and a brother lived in Israel. Anna  earned a living for a
time teaching Hebrew. For a period she lived in the U.S. Her husband
ultimately became identified as a "Troskyite," and was executed in one of
Stalin's purges. During the early 1950s Anna Pauker was one of the most
powerful figures in the communist world.

YUGOSLAVIA

The only non-Jewish dictator behind the Iron Curtain in the years
immediately following WW2 was Tito of Yugoslavia, a fact which probably
explains his revolt against the Kremlin.  But Tito was tutored by the Jew,
Mosa Pljade. Says John Gunther of Pijade: "He is Tito's mentor . . .
Whatever idealogical structure Tito may have, he got from this shrewd old
man."

POLAND

Poland has shared the tragic fate of Hungary. The men who dominated Poland
in the years just after WW2 were the Jews, Mine, Skryesiewski, Modielewski,
and Berman. The first three are of cabinet rank, while Jacob Berman's
official position is that of Under-Secretary of State - a minor office, Yet
it was actually Jacob Berman who was the undisputed boss of Poland. Berman,
a product of the Warsaw ghetto, had lived in Russia, and was installed as
dictator over Poland when the Russian armies took over the country. He
preferred to work behind the scenes as much as possible - a device
frequently used to hide the Jewishness of communism, Poland's Jewish
bureaucracy was perhaps the largest of any Iron Curtain country outside of
Russia proper. Although Jews comprised less than 3% of the total population
behind the Iron Curtain, they occupied virtually every position of
authority.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA

The secretary-general of the communist party in Czechoslovakia, whom John
Sunther identifies as a Jew, was Rudolph Slansky. Like the other satellite
dictators, he was placed in command when the communists took over in the
aftermath of WW2, Slansky, incidentally, was eventually purged by the
party. On page 10 of the Dec. 10th Quick magazine Stansky is identified as
the "former Red Boss" of Czechoslavakia, but he is not identified as a Jew.

John Gunther summarizes in "Behind the Iron Curtain" on the Jewish roles in
the years immediately after WW2 and through the 1950s: "Jews play a very
prominent role in several governments....The three "Muscovites" who run
Hungary are Jews, the men who dominate Poland are Jews, the secretary
general of the Communist party in Czechoslovakia is a Jew, Anna Pauker of
Rumania is a Jewess."


POST WW2 SOVIET ESPIONAGE OVERWHELMINGLY JEWISH

During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were conducted
against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the most
well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement of Jews
in communist activities against the United States.

AMERASIA CASE

In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for stealing 1700 highly
classified State Department documents. Three of the six were Jews:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist
paper, "Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.

Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.

Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.


ALGER HISS CASE

Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most influential men in the
State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a protege of Jewish Supreme
Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite Frankfurter's court appearance as
a character witness in the high profile case, Hiss was convicted of perjury
and sentenced to five years.


GERHARD EISLER CASE

Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of the communist party ever
brought to trial, was the secret boss of the communist party between 1935
and 1947. In May of 1950, while free on bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and
later became the propaganda chief of communist Eastern Germany. His sister,
Ruth, was a communist agent for a number of years.


HOLLYWOOD TEN

In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were
convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten
were Jews:

Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New Masses.

Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.

Lester Cole, a communist party member.

Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.

Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.

John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.

Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.

Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.

Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.

Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.


AMERICAN POLITBURO

The case exposed the fact that at least six of eleven members of the
National Secretariat of the American Communist Party were Jewish. Those
identified as Jews were:

Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green
(real name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving
Potash, and Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real name,
Waldron), Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.


FUCHS-GOLD SPY RING

Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was brought to America at the
personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While working on the Manhattan
Project, Fuchs had access to our innermost atomic secrets from 1942 to
1945. Based upon information obtained from Fuchs during interrogations
after his arrest, the FBI began investigations which resulted in the arrest
of nine other members of the spy ring. Of the nine, who were all convicted,
eight were Jewish:

Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950,
pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.

David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her
husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.

Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with secret
information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and synthetic
rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.

Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.

Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole the highly secret proximity
fuse and delivered it intact to the Soviets. He also aided in the theft of
many other atomic secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death in the
famous case.

Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She was
the sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed on June
19,1953.

Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was
convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty years.

(Milton Friedman, columnist, in the California Jewish Voice, on August 18,
1950, spoke of "Headlines about Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Julius and
Ethel Rosenberg, Abraham Brothman, Miriam Maskowitz, and other Jews accused
of spying for Russia.")

It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic installation was
Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a communist agent
by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a Jew, but
married to a Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.


SECOND STRING POLITBURO

After the convictions of the first-string, "American Politburo", a
second-string was scheduled to take over the communist operations. In 1951,
the Justice Department indicted the whole group. The new group consisted of
21 members, 14 of which were Jews:

Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George
Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel,
Alexander Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine,
William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.

Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia Jones,
were negroes.


THE ROUND UP

On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists party officials on the
West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders were arrested on the East
Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government.
Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast, six were identified as Jews:

Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank
Spector, Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.

Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:

Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.


ADDITIONAL CASES AND JEWISH PERSONS

Dr. Sidney Weinbaum, Russian-born Jewish scientist at Caltech in 1950, was
indicted in Los Angeles in June of that year on eight counts of perjury and
fraud against the government in connection with loyalty procedures. Richard
B. Hood, head of the Los Angeles FBI office, was quoted as saying that
Weinbaum had been "a member of the Los Angeles Professional Unit No. 122 of
the Communist Party, under the name of Sydney Empson." (Los Angeles
Examiner, June 3, 1950, p. 3) Another Caltech scientist, Dr. Jacob W.
Dubnoff, also Jewish, was "ordered before Federal Judge James M. Carter
after refusing to answer questions before a special session of a Federal
Grand Jury."

Philip Bart, also Jewish, general manager of the Daily Worker, official
organ of the Communist Party, refused to testify about Communist
activities. He told the House Committee on Un-American Activities "it was
none of their business what his name was before he legally changed it to
Bart," according to an INS dispatch of June 21. (Such data, for some
strange reason, was kept secret in New York City, which has often, over the
years, been referred to as the Jewish Capital of America and the World)
Bart was cited on August 11, 1950, by the House for
contempt of Congress.

Judith Coplon, a convicted spy for the Communist government of Russia, had
an important position in the Department of Justice. Judith was also Jewish.

Jakob Golos, who died early in World War II, was identified by ex-Communist
Elizabeth Bentley as the head of a Communist espionage ring in which she,
George Silverman and others allegedly operated.

The once mysterious "Scientist X" was identified by the House Committee on
Un-American Activities as Dr. Joseph Weinberg, a University of Minnesota
staff member. In its report on atomic espionage issued September, 1949, the
Committee told in vivid detail how Weinberg went to the house of "Steve
Nelson," then a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party,
and volunteered to give him information on the atomic bomb, and how he
later evidently carried out his promise in a furtive meeting with a vice
consul of the Russian embassy. Weinberg was Jewish. We do not know the
racial identity of Nelson, but the House Committee revealed his real name
to be Mesarosh.

That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in the
1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth
Bentley, and Vanderbilt Fields. All three later renounced their
affiliations with the communist party and provided valuable information
that lead to investigations and convictions. Not coincidentally, all three
of these former communists were married to Jews.

CONCLUSION

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the Jewish-Communist
connection is discussed? While it is true that in the very upper and most
conspicuous leadership positions Jews were reduced gradually after WW2, the
Soviet espionage apparatus and lower levels of the bureaucracy remained
heavy with Jews until the collapse of the USSR in the late 1980s. Because
of this fact anti-Jewish feelings are high in Russia and many of the former
Soviet Bloc countries today. Many people associate Jews with the worst
abuses of the Soviet System and for good reason. The evidence is very
powerful of Jewish involvement in nearly every manifestation of Marxism for
seventy years both in the USSR and elsewhere in the West. But curiously,
unlike their "holocaust", this is one historical area where Jews are eager
to forget and hope everybody else will do likewise! After all, how does
their role in Communism play when juxtaposed with the Jew's fraudulent
propaganda image of themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and
unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's
"holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known?
Consider the facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.


There is much more available information for those interested in the whole
story, but it is hoped that this ouline will serve as a handy reference
whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged. (This
information is provided as a public service by the WESTERN IMPERATIVE
NETWORK http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/)


BIBLIOGRAPHY

The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

Associated Press, "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed", July 15, 1951.

Frank Britton, Behind Communism.

Encyc. Britannica "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Vol. III

Donald Day, "Onward Christian Soldiers", Noontide Press, 1985

Benjamin Ginsberg, "The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State", University of
Chicago Press, 1994.

Stuart Kahan, "The Wolf of the Kremlin"

Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919

John Gunther, "Behind the Iron Curtain", Harper Bros., 1951

Life magazine, "Kaganovich", July 14, 1941

George Pitts-Rivers, "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution",
Oxford University

John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", Anchor Books, 1992.

Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton. The Rosenberg File. Yale University Press.
New Haven and London. 1997. ISBN 0-300-07205-8

Marcus Eli Ravage, "Commissary to the Gentiles", Century Magazine,
January-February 1928

William Shirer, "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich", Cresent Books,
1994.

Joseph Stalin, "Collected Works"

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918

State Department document 861.00/2205 sent July 5, 1918

Pavel and Anatoli Sudoplatov. Special Tasks. Little, Brown and Company. New
York. 1995. ISBN 0-316-82115-2

Quick magazine, "A Czech Purge", December 1951.

Universal Jewish Encyc., Vol.VII

Maj. Robert H. Williams. Know Your Enemy.





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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> But you can't tell us when or where. Hmmmm....
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

Brown, the only question you need to concern yourself with is: Are you a homosexual?

Can we accept your avoidance as a "yes?"

Why don't you answer?

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <382837D6.9C8193F4@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> You know, like addressing your
> >> recent failure to document alleged statements by a US Senator, or show
> >> that a _single_ American city has been"flooded" with over a million
> >> immigrants a year....
> >
> >I would say what has happened to NYC and LA, in particular, in the last
> >decade can certainly be described as "flooding."
>
> You made a specific claim, Williworm. Can you back it up or not? Which
> American city has been "flooded" with over a million immigrants a year?
>

Are you a fudge-packer or not? Just answer the question and then I'll continue the
immigration thing.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <382837D6.9C8193F4@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> >> There are rumours in Toronto that William Scott seduces shrubberies,
> >> and, while he's at it, has intercourse with taxicabs. How can they be
> >> baseless if Scott himself neither confirms nor denies it?
> >
> >No, I can deny that very easily and without any hesitation: I have never had
> >sexual intercourse with a taxicab. Case closed. See, Brown, its easy. Now,
> >just tell us whether you have ever had sexual intercourse with another man?
>
> I don't believe you. I think you have sex with taxicabs, and deny it
> from the embarrassment of being outed.
>
> >> I haven't asked if Scott has a thing about exhaust pipes, I only asked
> >> if he did because I've heard that rumour.
> >
> >The rumor is not true.
>
> Prove it, Mr. Scott, and quit living in denial.

You've got more shit than a Christmas goose.

Here, read something that will do you some good.


JEWS AND THEIR DISPROPORTIONATE INVOLVEMENT IN COMMUNISM (Rev. 1.8)
Ian McKinney

One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian Revolution" of
1917 is that Jews constituted the majority of the Bolshevik leadership and were
found in very disproportionate numbers in other Marxist regimes across eastern
Europe. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to them, continue to condemn anyone
who brings up these facts as an "anti-Semite" or "hatemonger", it remains
undeniable that communism was both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary
movement.

First, it is a fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew because
"on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical
families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289). Whether he was a "religous" Jew
is of no significant importance in this discussion, since Jewishness is not
defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. The Jews themselves argue almost
constantly over what makes one a Jew. Nonetheless, a great bulk of Jews today
would probably identify themselves as atheists or agnostics, but also nonetheless
consider themselves Jews. Regardless of interpretations, Marx was from an
undeniably Jewish family and his children "retained or regained a sense of Jewish
identity" according to Benjamin Ginsberg in "The Fatal Embarce - Jews and the
State", in which he then goes on to conclude: "Marx took little pride in his
Jewishness. He must be considered a prime candidate for that problematic category
with Lasalle and Heine, of the self-hating Jew." Marx was of indisputable Jewish
ancestry, perhaps "self-hating" Jew, but a Jew nonetheless.


GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede that
Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any otherwise significant
Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the communist-Jewish connection as
clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that passed between American representatives
in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of
Russia, which clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following
quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul general in
Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling
growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5, 1918
by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town
consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March 1,
1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt. Montgomey Shuyler:
"It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik
movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and controlled by Russian
Jews of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on the
make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384 `commissars'
including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300
JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since
the downfall of the Imperial Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading
Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was married to
the suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered by a former
Soviet general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have been least 25%
Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) leader of the Russian Revolution, was
architect of the Red Army, and commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.
Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -
as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government.
Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern),
the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent
Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld),
Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky head of the Commisary for the Constituent
Assembly.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the Mensheviks, the
percentage of Jews was even grater. It was led by Theodore Dan, Julius Martov
(Zederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the Jewish Bund)- all Jews. Likewise,
the two other principle Marxist factions in conflict with the Bolsheviks and who
often sided with the Mensheviks, were Rosa Luxembrg's Polish Social Democrats
(Luxemberg, a Jew, was one of the top Marxist agitators later who worked with
another Marxist Jew, Karl Liebnecht, in revolutionary activities in Germany until
1919, when both were assassinated by German Freikorps militiamen.) and the
revolutionary Jewish Bund.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none other
than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely circulated Russian
postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian Revolution" in his book on Stalin.
The postcard pictures the following persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and
married to a suspected Jewess), Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew),
Sverdlov (Jew), and Lunacharsky (gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918
dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90
percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social
revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: "Unless
Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or
another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who
have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the
existing order of things."

Now, as in just about any kind of suppressed history, occasionally the truth
leaks out. So far the Jews in the Establishment media mainly, have been pretty
successful at preventing widespread knowledge of their involvement in Marxism.
Nonetheless, every now and then a book unavoidably does get published that
discloses things the Jews would rather remain hidden from public view. For
example, in the Sunday Telegraph (London, England: Nov. 18, 1990) the question
was asked, "Why then has it (Winter in Moscow) never been republished? The answer
may lie in Muggeridge's handling of what was then called the 'Jewish
question.'...Winter in Moscow is acutely concerned with Jews...It was of course
the case that a very disproportionate number of the early Bolsheviks were Jews
and thus of commissars and apparatchiki..."


EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context, here's
three full paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former superintendent of the
Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda Hearing Before the
Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th
Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of Trotsky
(Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side of New York. Some
of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up
to me and seemed very much pleased that there was somebody who could speak
English, and their broken English showed that they had not qualified as being
Americas. A number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became
evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one of its
bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest startling information,
given me by someone with good authority, startling information, is this, that in
December, 1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the
section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum
(Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution of
the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on the benches and soap
boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often remarked to my sister,
'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time
we had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a restriction against
having Jews in Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most
of the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over Petrograd,
we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big posters and
everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that was to be one of the
great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not take kindly to it."

Even as recently as 1965, a study by the US Senate Judiciary Committee of
anti-Jewish policies of the Soviet government at that time entitled "The Soviet
Empire, A Study of Discrimination and Abuse of Power" revealed that before WW2 a
whopping 41.1% of the members of the entire Supreme Soviet had been Jews despite
being a mere 2% of the population.


TOP JEWISH BANKER FINANCED THEM

Not only were Jews represented in amazing numbers among the Marxist
revolutionaries, but the most wealthy Jewish bankers gave loans and other
financing. In the New York Journal-American of Feburary 3, 1949 society columnist
Cholly Knickerbocker revealed that Jacob Schiff's grandson, a prominent member of
New York society at that time, revealed that his grandfather firm Kuhn, Loeb
"sank" $20 million dollars into the "final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia."
Schiff's early and generous financial aid to the Bolsheviks is also confirmed in
the Jewish Communal Register of New York City for 1917-1918.


THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some opponents might automatically assume that the preceding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unconvincing, but they'd be wrong. Here's a few
Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish
dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the
world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish
brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also,
through the same Jewish mental an physical forces, become a reality all over the
world." (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews
are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest
ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919)

"You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders.
We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have been at the bottom not merely of
the latest great war but of all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every
other major revolution in your history." (Marcus Eli Ravage, Century Magazine,
January-February 1928).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party
was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population."
(Stuart Kahan (grandson of Lazar Kagaonvich), The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

"We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who have
posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having given it the
Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers, its destroyers, its
incendiaries, its executioners..." (Dr. Oscar Levy, preface to the book The World
Significance of the Russian Revolution by Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford
University)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and
Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and
their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article on "Communism" by
Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

ANTI-SEMITISM MADE A CAPITAL OFFENSE

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called
"anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of
racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism...under USSR law
active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works,
vol. 13, p. 30).

JEWISH-LED SECRET POLICE MURDER MILLIONS

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) conducted a
horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian population. In one
operation alone, they deliberately starved to death 8 to 15 million Ukranian
gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in history
orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law and the most powerful Jew in the USSR,
Lazar Kaganovich. Of course, Kaganovich certainly wasn't the only Jew involved:
"[I]n (the) Ukraine Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka
agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.
Veteran Chicago Tribune Baltic correspondant, Donald Day, exposed yet another
Jew: "Artemic Bagratovich Khalatov (Jewish) headed that branch of the Cheka which
organized the food supply of the Soviets. He organized the punitive expeditions
of the Cheka which confiscated the grain and foodstuffs from the peasants. A
policy whose direct result was the great famine of 1920-21."

The prominance of Jews in Soviet secret police agencies was not isolated to the
Unkraine, Benjamin Ginsberg discusses this in his 1994 book "The Fatal Embrace -
Jews and the State": "During the 1920s and 1930s, Jews were a major element in
the secret police and other Soviet security forces. Genrikh Yagoda, for instance,
served as chief of the secret police during the 1930s. Yagoda had been a
pharmacist before the Revolution and specialized in preparing poisons for his
agents to use in liquidating Stalin's opponents.

Ginsberg continues in the next paragraph by describing how Jews greatly expanded
and organized the murderous Soviet Gulag prison system: "Other high-ranking
Jewish secret policemen included Matvei Berman and Naftali Frenkel who helped to
expand and institutionalize the slave labor system. Slave laborers working under
Frenkel's supervision built the White-Sea Baltic Canal in 1932. As many as
200,000 workers perished while completing this project. Another Jewish security
officer, K. V. Pauker, served as chief of operations of the secret police in the
1930s. Lev lnzhir was chief accountant for the Gulag. M. T. Gay headed the
special secret police department that conducted the purges of the 1930s. In what
came to be called the "Great Terror," he supervised the mass arrests, trials, and
executions of Stalin's opponents. Two other Jewish secret policemen, A. A.
Slutsky and Boris Berman, were in charge of Soviet terror and espionage abroad
during the 1930s. Jews were also important in the Red Army. In addition to
Trotsky, prominent Jewish generals included Yona Yakir, who was a member of the
Communist party central committee; Dmitri Schmidt, a civil war hero and commander
of the Kiev area; and Yakob Kreiser, a hero of the defense of Moscow during the
Second World War."

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 80 million persons were murdered
in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly at the hands
of Jews at the order of Jewish Communist secret police bosses using execution,
starvation, assassination, and the Gulag slave labor prisons.

JOSEPH STALIN'S JEWISH CONNECTIONS

Although there's occasional claims that Stalin himself was of Jewish ancestry, I
have found no evidence so far to support that, however, there's no doubt that
Stalin had many Jewish connections through marriage. Most notably Stalin's third
wife was Rosa Kaganovich, was a sister of his right hand man, Lazar Kaganovich,
mentioned in the preceding paragraph. Also Stalin's daughter, Svetlana, married
Mihail Kaganovich, son of Lazar in 1951. Stalin's son, Vassili, married Svetlana
Molotov, the half-Jewish daughter of then vice-premier Molotov, whose wife was a
sister to Jewish businessman Sam Karp of the Karp Export-Import Co. of
Bridgeport, Conn. (The preceding information was drawn from a July 15, 1951
Associated Press article "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed" and a July 14, 1941 Life
magazine article highlighting the Kaganovich family.)


OTHER JEWISH-MARXIST REGIMES

GERMANY(BAVARIA)

In the aftermath of WW1, Communists staged an ultimately unsucessful takeover of
Germany, which only succeded in gaining control of Bavaria for a short time. From
"The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State": "Among the most vehement opponents of
the Socialist provisional government was the German Communist party, whose
leadership also included a number of Jews. In 1919, under the direction of party
chief Paul Levi, the KPD staged a revolt against the Socialist provisional
government. One of the most prominent leaders of this revolt was Rosa Luxemburg,
who was later captured and murdered by rightist paramilitary forces. Jews were
also among the leaders of the Communist government that the KPD briefly
established in Bavaria after the murder of Kurt Eisner. Eugene Levine was head of
the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic, Gustav Landauer was its commissar for
propaganda and cultural affairs, and Ernst Toller commanded its "red army." This
regime was crushed in May 1919 by free corps forces."

Of Kurt Eisner, John Toland comments in his book, "Adolf Hitler": "In Munich
another insurrection broke out on November 7. It was led by Kurt Eisner, a small
elderly Jew wearing a black floppy hat which, large as it was, couldn't contain a
shock of wild hair. Especially untidy, he was a living cartoon of the
bomb-throwing Red."

HUNGARY

Jewish preponderance was evident outside of Russia and first became obvious
during the short-lived Marxist takeover of Hungary in the spring of 1919 led by
the Jew, Bela Kuhn (Cohen) and a group of mostly Jewish revolutionaries. The
political murders, suppression and communizing of the country's industrial and
agricultural resources, which produced a famine in the cities, combined with the
peasantry's antipathy for the Jews, resulted in Kuhn's eventual overthrow after
only three months.  In an amazingly frank report, the "New International Year
Book of 1919 (Dodd, Mead, Co., page 587) has summarized the situation: "One of
the chief weaknesses in the new regime was antipathy to the Jews. In the country
districts the feeling was widespread that the revolution had been a movement on
the part of the Jews to seize the power for themselves, and the remark was
frequently heard that if the Jews of Budapest died of starvation, so much the
better for the rest of the country. The government of Bela Kun was composed
almost exclusively of Jews who held also the administrative offices."

Bela Kuhn was deposed and interned in a lunatic asylum. Eventually he was
released and returned to Russia where he assumed control of the Cheka secret
police in southern Russia.

In 1945, with then end of the war Hungary fell under the control of the USSR,
Matyas Rakosi, another Jew, was installed as supreme dictator with two other
Jews, Erno Gero and Zoltan Vas in the number two and three positions. This is
confirmed by John Gunther in his book "Behind the Iron Cutain." Rakosi was an
intimate of Stalin, knew Lenin, and was a commissar under Bela Kuhn.

According to Benjamin Ginsberg, other powerful Jews in Hungary were Peter Gabor
who commanded the secret police and Joseph Revai as minister of culture and chief
party propagandist. Jews also headed the state planning office, the ministry
controlling industry and commerce, and Radio Hungary.

ROMANIA

The Jewess, Anna Pauker, became dictator of Romania from 1947 to 1952. She also
served as minister of foreign affairs in Poland and East Germany. Anna was born
in Bucharest of orthodox Jewish parents. Her father (who was a Kosher butcher)
and a brother lived in Israel. Anna  earned a living for a time teaching Hebrew.
For a period she lived in the U.S. Her husband ultimately became identified as a
"Troskyite," and was executed in one of Stalin's purges. During the early 1950s
Anna Pauker was one of the most powerful figures in the communist world.

YUGOSLAVIA

The only non-Jewish dictator behind the Iron Curtain in the years immediately
following WW2 was Tito of Yugoslavia, a fact which probably explains his revolt
against the Kremlin.  But Tito was tutored by the Jew, Mosa Pljade. Says John
Gunther of Pijade: "He is Tito's mentor . . . Whatever idealogical structure Tito
may have, he got from this shrewd old man."

POLAND

Poland has shared the tragic fate of Hungary. The men who dominated Poland in the
years just after WW2 were the Jews, Mine, Skryesiewski, Modielewski, and Berman.
The first three are of cabinet rank, while Jacob Berman's official position is
that of Under-Secretary of State - a minor office, Yet it was actually Jacob
Berman who was the undisputed boss of Poland. Berman, a product of the Warsaw
ghetto, had lived in Russia, and was installed as dictator over Poland when the
Russian armies took over the country. He preferred to work behind the scenes as
much as possible - a device frequently used to hide the Jewishness of communism,
Poland's Jewish bureaucracy was perhaps the largest of any Iron Curtain country
outside of Russia proper. Although Jews comprised less than 3% of the total
population behind the Iron Curtain, they occupied virtually every position of
authority.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA

The secretary-general of the communist party in Czechoslovakia, whom John Sunther
identifies as a Jew, was Rudolph Slansky. Like the other satellite dictators, he
was placed in command when the communists took over in the aftermath of WW2,
Slansky, incidentally, was eventually purged by the party. On page 10 of the Dec.
10th Quick magazine Stansky is identified as the "former Red Boss" of
Czechoslavakia, but he is not identified as a Jew.

John Gunther summarizes in "Behind the Iron Curtain" on the Jewish roles in the
years immediately after WW2 and through the 1950s: "Jews play a very prominent
role in several governments....The three "Muscovites" who run Hungary are Jews,
the men who dominate Poland are Jews, the secretary general of the Communist
party in Czechoslovakia is a Jew, Anna Pauker of Rumania is a Jewess."


POST WW2 SOVIET ESPIONAGE OVERWHELMINGLY JEWISH

During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were conducted against
communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the most well-know cases which
demonstrate the disproportionate involvement of Jews in communist activities
against the United States.

AMERASIA CASE

In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for stealing 1700 highly classified
State Department documents. Three of the six were Jews:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist paper,
"Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.

Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.

Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.


ALGER HISS CASE

Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most influential men in the State
Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a protege of Jewish Supreme Court
Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite Frankfurter's court appearance as a character
witness in the high profile case, Hiss was convicted of perjury and sentenced to
five years.


GERHARD EISLER CASE

Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of the communist party ever brought
to trial, was the secret boss of the communist party between 1935 and 1947. In
May of 1950, while free on bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and later became the
propaganda chief of communist Eastern Germany. His sister, Ruth, was a communist
agent for a number of years.


HOLLYWOOD TEN

In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted of
contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews:

Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New Masses.

Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.

Lester Cole, a communist party member.

Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.

Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.

John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.

Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.

Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.

Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.

Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.


AMERICAN POLITBURO

The case exposed the fact that at least six of eleven members of the National
Secretariat of the American Communist Party were Jewish. Those identified as Jews
were:

Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green (real
name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving Potash, and
Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real name, Waldron), Robert
Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.


FUCHS-GOLD SPY RING

Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was brought to America at the
personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While working on the Manhattan Project,
Fuchs had access to our innermost atomic secrets from 1942 to 1945. Based upon
information obtained from Fuchs during interrogations after his arrest, the FBI
began investigations which resulted in the arrest of nine other members of the
spy ring. Of the nine, who were all convicted, eight were Jewish:

Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950, pleaded
guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.

David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her husband
and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.

Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with secret
information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and synthetic rubber.
He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.

Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.

Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole the highly secret proximity fuse
and delivered it intact to the Soviets. He also aided in the theft of many other
atomic secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death in the famous case.

Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She was the
sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed on June 19,1953.

Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was convicted of
conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty years.

(Milton Friedman, columnist, in the California Jewish Voice, on August 18, 1950,
spoke of "Headlines about Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg, Abraham Brothman, Miriam Maskowitz, and other Jews accused of spying
for Russia.")

It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic installation was
Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a communist agent by
former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a Jew, but married to a
Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.


SECOND STRING POLITBURO

After the convictions of the first-string, "American Politburo", a second-string
was scheduled to take over the communist operations. In 1951, the Justice
Department indicted the whole group. The new group consisted of 21 members, 14 of
which were Jews:

Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George Charney,
Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel, Alexander Trachenberg,
Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine, William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.

Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia Jones, were
negroes.


THE ROUND UP

On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists party officials on the West
Coast. A few days later, five more leaders were arrested on the East Coast. All
were charged with conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government. Of the 15 arrested
on the West Coast, six were identified as Jews:

Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank Spector, Al
Richmond, and Carl Lambert.

Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:

Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.


ADDITIONAL CASES AND JEWISH PERSONS

Dr. Sidney Weinbaum, Russian-born Jewish scientist at Caltech in 1950, was
indicted in Los Angeles in June of that year on eight counts of perjury and fraud
against the government in connection with loyalty procedures. Richard B. Hood,
head of the Los Angeles FBI office, was quoted as saying that Weinbaum had been
"a member of the Los Angeles Professional Unit No. 122 of the Communist Party,
under the name of Sydney Empson." (Los Angeles Examiner, June 3, 1950, p. 3)
Another Caltech scientist, Dr. Jacob W. Dubnoff, also Jewish, was "ordered before
Federal Judge James M. Carter after refusing to answer questions before a special
session of a Federal Grand Jury."

Philip Bart, also Jewish, general manager of the Daily Worker, official organ of
the Communist Party, refused to testify about Communist activities. He told the
House Committee on Un-American Activities "it was none of their business what his
name was before he legally changed it to Bart," according to an INS dispatch of
June 21. (Such data, for some strange reason, was kept secret in New York City,
which has often, over the years, been referred to as the Jewish Capital of
America and the World) Bart was cited on August 11, 1950, by the House for
contempt of Congress.

Judith Coplon, a convicted spy for the Communist government of Russia, had an
important position in the Department of Justice. Judith was also Jewish.

Jakob Golos, who died early in World War II, was identified by ex-Communist
Elizabeth Bentley as the head of a Communist espionage ring in which she, George
Silverman and others allegedly operated.

The once mysterious "Scientist X" was identified by the House Committee on
Un-American Activities as Dr. Joseph Weinberg, a University of Minnesota staff
member. In its report on atomic espionage issued September, 1949, the Committee
told in vivid detail how Weinberg went to the house of "Steve Nelson," then a
member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, and volunteered to give
him information on the atomic bomb, and how he later evidently carried out his
promise in a furtive meeting with a vice consul of the Russian embassy. Weinberg
was Jewish. We do not know the racial identity of Nelson, but the House Committee
revealed his real name to be Mesarosh.

That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in the 1950's.
It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, and
Vanderbilt Fields. All three later renounced their affiliations with the
communist party and provided valuable information that lead to investigations and
convictions. Not coincidentally, all three of these former communists were
married to Jews.

CONCLUSION

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the Jewish-Communist
connection is discussed? While it is true that in the very upper and most
conspicuous leadership positions Jews were reduced gradually after WW2, the
Soviet espionage apparatus and lower levels of the bureaucracy remained heavy
with Jews until the collapse of the USSR in the late 1980s. Because of this fact
anti-Jewish feelings are high in Russia and many of the former Soviet Bloc
countries today. Many people associate Jews with the worst abuses of the Soviet
System and for good reason. The evidence is very powerful of Jewish involvement
in nearly every manifestation of Marxism for seventy years both in the USSR and
elsewhere in the West. But curiously, unlike their "holocaust", this is one
historical area where Jews are eager to forget and hope everybody else will do
likewise! After all, how does their role in Communism play when juxtaposed with
the Jew's fraudulent propaganda image of themselves as perpetually inoffensive,
honest, and unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's
"holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known? Consider
the facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.


There is much more available information for those interested in the whole story,
but it is hoped that this ouline will serve as a handy reference whenever the
undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged. (This information is
provided as a public service by the WESTERN IMPERATIVE NETWORK
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/)


BIBLIOGRAPHY

The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

Associated Press, "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed", July 15, 1951.

Frank Britton, Behind Communism.

Encyc. Britannica "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Vol. III

Donald Day, "Onward Christian Soldiers", Noontide Press, 1985

Benjamin Ginsberg, "The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State", University of
Chicago Press, 1994.

Stuart Kahan, "The Wolf of the Kremlin"

Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919

John Gunther, "Behind the Iron Curtain", Harper Bros., 1951

Life magazine, "Kaganovich", July 14, 1941

George Pitts-Rivers, "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution", Oxford
University

John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", Anchor Books, 1992.

Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton. The Rosenberg File. Yale University Press. New
Haven and London. 1997. ISBN 0-300-07205-8

Marcus Eli Ravage, "Commissary to the Gentiles", Century Magazine,
January-February 1928

William Shirer, "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich", Cresent Books, 1994.

Joseph Stalin, "Collected Works"

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918

State Department document 861.00/2205 sent July 5, 1918

Pavel and Anatoli Sudoplatov. Special Tasks. Little, Brown and Company. New York.
1995. ISBN 0-316-82115-2

Quick magazine, "A Czech Purge", December 1951.

Universal Jewish Encyc., Vol.VII

Maj. Robert H. Williams. Know Your Enemy.





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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <38285319.C53DACE2@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > > But you can't tell us when or where. Hmmmm....
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> > >
> > ===================================================================
> > ==
> > > Jeffrey G. Brown
> > jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> > >  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'
> > Brown, the only question you need to concern yourself with is: Are
> > you a homosexual?
> > Can we accept your avoidance as a "yes?"
> > Why don't you answer?
>
> Why is this question in any way pertinent to the topic of the
> newsgroup, Willi?

This newsgroup is about White Nationalism. What the hell do YOU have to do with
that? Nothing, so go away.

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Orac wrote:

> In article <38285319.C53DACE2@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> >
> > > But you can't tell us when or where. Hmmmm....
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> > > =====================================================================
> > > Jeffrey G. Brown                               jeff_brown@bigfoot.com
> > >  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'
> >
> > Brown, the only question you need to concern yourself with is: Are you a
> homosexual?
> >
> > Can we accept your avoidance as a "yes?"
> >
> > Why don't you answer?
>
> Why are you so very, very interested in Jeffrey's sexuality?

I'm only interested in the fact that the little coward won't answer.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 10 13:51:07 EST 1999
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A8EC.5D7DC1FA@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
> >> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
> >> immigrants a year.
> >
> >Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is
> absolutely true
> >that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.
>
> It's absolutely true that you've failed to back up your claim with facts,
> Williworm. Which cities have been "flooded" with millions of immigrants
> per year since 1965?

Are you queer? You tell me that and I'll continue with this immigration issue.

Coward.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 10 13:51:08 EST 1999
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A8EC.5D7DC1FA@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
> >> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
> >> immigrants a year.
> >
> >Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is
> absolutely true
> >that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.
>
> It's absolutely true that you've failed to back up your claim with facts,
> Williworm. Which cities have been "flooded" with millions of immigrants
> per year since 1965?

Brown, are you and McVay lovers?

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> William P. Scott wrote:
>
> > Do they allow Palestinians to vote?
>
> You know Scott, you really are a low-life no-nothing. Like
> some kind of demonic parrot, you post your vile anti-Semitic
> and anti-Israeli screeds without having the least
> understanding of what you post.
>
> Of course Palestinians vote. And Palestinians are members of
> the Israeli Knesset. And in the last election, a Palestinian
> was a candidate for Prime Minister. He eventually withdrew
> from the election so that Palestinian votes would help
> defeat Netanyahu.

If Palestinians are allowed to vote, did they vote to give their country to the
Jews?


> Israel has lots of social and political problems, but it is
> a democracy. That's one of the reasons fascists like you
> despise Israel. You hate democracy.

Personally, I couldn't care less what kind of government the Jews have in Israel.

--
Regards,
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm [William P. Scott, the Nazi] wrote:
> > Oh yes you can. there are many atheistic Jews running around.
>
> Karl Marx was an atheistic Christian, not an atheistic Jew.
> He was Baptized when he was 6 years old. He hated Jews
> nearly as much as you do, you lying Nazi bastard.

He was a racial Jew. His old man converted for convenience sake.



> > I don't believe Buchanan is anti-Semitic. Its well know that he has
> > many Jewish friends and even some of his closest advisors are Jews.
>
> Ah, yes, the cherished line of the racist: "Some of my best
> friends are..."
>
> Here is just a small sampling of Buchanan's racist, fascist,
> and anti-Semitic comments and actions:
>
> Buchanan has publicly criticized Harvard University for
> having too high a percentage of students who are Jewish.

Well, we hear all the time about this or that being "too White." If something can be too White,
why can't something else be be too Jewish?


> Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied
> territory."

It is.



> During the Gulf Crisis, Buchanan argued against fighting
> Sadam Hussein.  "There are only two groups that are beating
> the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense
> ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." That
> was a clear lie meant solely to stir up hatred against Jews.

Not really, but instead to point out an obvious truth that the Jews had a vested interest in
breaking Iraq.


> In one of his newspaper columns sympathetic to Nazi and
> ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan scolded the Republican
> Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take
> a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and
> expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such
> as] reverse discrimination against white folks."

What's this have to do with Jews?



> In a 1977 column in The Guardian, Buchanan wrote that Hitler
> was "an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in
> the Great War" and "a leader steeped in the history of
> Europe."  He praised Hitler’s "extraordinary gifts" and
> "genus."

I have no doubt that Hitler had an extremely high IQ.



> In his writings, Buchanan ’has challenged the fact that
> thousands of Jews were gassed to death at Treblinka. These
> Holocaust revisionist screeds have been republished in
> Neo-Nazi publications.

So nobody can challenge any facts?



> Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's
> Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war
> criminals. And he has protested against the deportation of
> Nazi war criminals who illegally entered the US.

WW2 has been over for almost 60 years! Its time to move on already.



> Buchanan was the one who urged President Reagan to honor SS
> troops buried in the Bitburg cemetery. He is credited with
> writing the speech in which Reagan described SS murderers as
> "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration
> camps."

Big deal. The vast majority of SS troops had nothing to do with concentration camps.



> Shortly before Buchanan announced his candidacy for
> president in 1995: he boasted, "You just wait until 1996,
> then you'll see a real right-wing tyrant."

What does that have to do with Jews?



> Echoes of Hitler’s Brown Shirts: At his presidential
> campaign rally in New Hampshire in 1995, Buchanan’s aids
> beat, kicked, and threw three rabbinical student protesters
> down stairs. The police had to threaten Buchanan’s campaign
> director with arrest to get him to call off Buchanan’s
> goons. Buchanan stood there and did nothing to stop the
> beating.

I saw that on TV. Those Jews burst onto the podium screaming insults at Pat disrupting his
meeting. They got what they deserved.



> Buchanan has often spoken out in favor of fascism and
> fascist dictators. In a January, 1991 column, Buchanan
> suggested that "quasi-dictatorial rule" might be the
> solution to the problems of big municipalities and the
> federal fiscal crisis: "If the people are corrupt, the more
> democracy, the worse the government." In his autobiography,
> he calls Spanish dictator and Hitler ally Francisco Franco a
> "Catholic savior."  He called both Franco and Chile's Gen.
> Pinochet (who is now fighting deportation to Spain where he
> would stand trial for torture and murder)
> "soldier-patriots."

What's this have to do with Jews? Are you saying that no Jews are fascists?



> Sounding too much like a member of the KKK, Buchanan argues
> that the US Civil War was not fought overly slavery. "The
> War Between the States was about independence, about
> self-determination, about the right of a people to break
> free of a government to which they could no longer give
> allegiance."

Slavery was a contributing issue, not the prime one. What's this have to do with Jews?



> Contrary to the US Supreme Court ruling that the racist
> policy of "separate but equal" was inherently unequal,
> Buchanan seems to think otherwise.  Back in the late 1940s
> and early 1950s, he argues in his autobiography, "There were
> no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight.
> The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools,
> restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches;
> and we had ours."

The Supreme Court rules that "separate but equal" was legal in Plessey v. Ferguson. What's this
have to do with Jews?




> Buchanan has opposed virtually every civil rights law and
> court decision in the past 30 years. He published libelous
> FBI-fed smears of Martin Luther King ,Jr., as his own
> editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s.
> As advisor to Nixon, Buchanan warned the President not to
> visit Martin Luther King’s widow on the first anniversary of
> the civil rights leader’s assassination. Buchanan told Nixon
> that people consider Dr. King "the Devil incarnate. Dr. King
> is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history."

All true, but what's this have to do with Jews?



> Buchanan was an admirer and defender of South Africa
> apartheid. He denounced the US support of United Nations
> sanctions against the South African apartheid government..

What's this have to do with Jews?



> In a 1977 column in New Republic, Buchanan urged a
> "thrashing" of gay groups. He wrote: "Homosexuality is not a
> civil right.  Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in
> the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse
> of its basic cinder block, the family."

What's this have to do with Jews?

--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
> > > > minority in their own country within the next 70 years? I'd say that's a pretty anti-White
> > > > policy. Or how about all the government programs and policies which discriminate against White
> > > > people? Affirmative Action, minority set-asides, etc.
> > >
> > > You're being very general when I said "specific." But never mind that. Here's a surprise for you:
> > > the immigration policy is NOT anti-white. It is, in fact, colorblind. Reasoning? If every white
> > > person on the European continent suddenly decided they wanted to live in America, they would be
> > > considered just as equally as any brown person. You go through the same background checks, the same
> > > legal procedures. So why don't you blame whites for not filling America up enough? If this is
> > > supposed to be the great white homeland, why aren't you blaming the French, the Germans, the
> > > Swedes, etc, for NOT coming over?
> >
> > That's bullshit. I've talked to White people who immigrated from Europe. The fact is that at least 90%
> > of all immigrants are non-white. We have thousands pouring in every day.
> >
> > Until the Jews wrecked our immigration policy in 1965, it favored Europe to the extend that it
> > preserved the racial demographics of America.
>
> But it was never MEANT to. Do you see my point? In practice, that may have been how it worked out, but
> that wasn't how it was DESIGNED. In the same way, it is not currently designed to let in more non-whites
> than whites; that is just how it happens to work in practice.

No, what you're saying isn't true. The proponents of the changes in '65 explicitly promised that this would
not allter the racial demographics of the country. Race was a big part of the whole underlying debate. But
like liberals everywhere, no one can believe anything they say.




> Personally, I don't have a problem with it. I would be greatly saddened if I had to live in a whites-only
> country. I'd miss the diversity, the mingling of cultures, the myriad differences that make life
> interesting. A whites-only culture would be too homogenous--like living in a sea of clones.

Your anti-White bias comes out. So to you White people are just clones. No individuality, all the same. What
nonsense.



> > > So this was never--EVER--a "white" country.
> >
> > In 1960 it was 90% White. I'd say that's pretty White.
>
> I don't have figures offhand to dispute this, but I don't believe it. Not with blacks, Hispanics,
> Indians, Asians, and other non-whites figured in. It seems impossible that America could have gone from
> 10% non-white to almost 50% non-white in the last 40 years.

Its still about 70% White, but that number is decreasing. The government estimates that Whites will be below
50% in 2050.



> > America was a White country for all practical purposes until very recently. That's a fact.
>
> For all practical purposes, maybe. But not by design.

Are you saying that the Founders wanted a multiracial country?


> > > > Thomas
> > > > Jefferson said that Whites and Blacks couldn't live in the same country. None of them advocated
> > > > multiracialism.
> > >
> > > Citations? (Especially since Jefferson had no problem cohabitating with Sally Hemmings.)
> >
> > Sure: http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/jefferson.html
>
> One quote by Jefferson--the rest by others. The Jefferson quote seems to support you; without impugning
> your honesty, I would like to know if anyone can certify the quote as genuine. (You may be honestly
> quoting this, in other words, but it ay be as "genuine" as the Pinckney diary forgery which has Franklin
> as an antisemite.) For the moment, I'll give you the argumentative point. Yet Jefferson was not the only
> man involved in the formation of this country, and that you DO know.

There are other quotes I have somewhere, but not quite as explicit as Jefferson's. I might dig them up, but
why should I bother? You'll just demand more. You called me a liar about Jefferson, but when I proved that I
was telling the truth you just switched to someone else. Well, so much for that. Now, I want you to prove to
me that the Founding Fathers created a country in which they wanted their race to be a minority.




> > > Not according to some. Same with Greeks.
> >
> > Probably most Greeks here in the US that I've known or seen I would say are White.
>
> That is your assessment. Some more rabid WPR types would exclude them as "Mediterranean."

I can only speak for myself.



> > I have seen some Idians who look pretty White, especially in the upper classes, but there are many who
> > are definitely too mongrelized. My person recommendation is that if you have to really wonder about
> > someone's racial qualifications, one can pretty much assume they're not White.
>
> How does one "mongrelize" an Indian? With whom are they interbreeding to make "mongrel" children? Why is
> a light-skinned Indian more Indian than a dark-skinned one?

India is not racially monolithic. There are White Aryans there almost as White as many Europeans. Then
there's the other non-white peoples there. "Indian" is not a racial designation.


> > > What are Australian aborigines? Native Americans?
> >
> > Come one, both are definitely not White.
>
> Then what would you do with Native Americans in your ideal white country? They were here first, after all
> (recent speculation to the contrary not confirmed).

They lost their country.

They could stay on their reservations or live amongst us. Their number are so small theiy're really no
threat. They pretty much mind their business anyway.



> > > Not all. And not only that, so what? You represent white people who consider themselves white
> > > first, Americans second or third. What difference is there between you and Jews?
> >
> > I'm not a hypocrite and I'm living in my own country. Those are the two big differences.
>
> Sure you're a hypocrite. I don't sayt his out of hostility, but mere truth. It is hypocritical to call
> oneself an American yet insist that Native Americans are not; it is hypocritical to be living off the
> largesse of immigrants and seek to bar other immigrants. (It seems to me that "Scott" is not, shall we
> say, an "American" name.)

Its as American as they come.



> Let's face it, unless you are a Native American, your claim to this country is
> based on someone, somewhere, having been an immigrant.

My claim is based on the fact that my White ancestors defeated the Indians and took control of this land and
made a great country. Case closed.



> > There was quite a lot of coverage on the news wires. I think the case was just resolved last year.
> >
> > http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/ADLspies.html
>
> *sigh* What can I say? They did a wrong thing. I've heard criticism of the ADL from friends of mine, and
> hadn't really kept up on them. According to one of the more reputable of the many links on that page,
> they paid a "substantial" fine. It seems to have been settled civilly rather than criminally, and were I
> better informed on the entire subject, I might have a stronger opinion. But this was a shameful thing to
> have done. (Oddly enough, I can understand their reasoning for having done so--I mean, let's face it,
> Israel has lots of enemies, and you can testify to that. But in protecting themselves against their
> enemies, it seems they went well over ethical boundaries and opened themselves upto the sort of criticism
> that their enemies level at them, creating a damning circle.)
>
> I was amused, though, by one of the articles referring to the IHR as a "crackpot" group. That takes some
> of the edge off this.

You ought to believe what I say next time. I don't make things up.



> > > Not so--not even remotely so. We're going to pour more into the Bosnian region than Israel. Where
> > > do you get your figures? Are they reliable?
> >
> > Wake up and smell the coffee.
>
> Those aren't figures. You prove nothing.

I'm tired of doing all the work because you're ignorant. Go learn what you're talking about.



> > > Prove it.(Matter of fact, a name pops to mind--Sumner Redstone, who runs Viacom. Viacom is a
> > > GIANT--owns MTV, Paramount, all sorts of things. And Redstone is absolutely a Gentile, TTBOMK.)
> >
> > ROTFLOL! Sumner Redstone (Rothstein) is a JEW! You don't even know what you're talking about.
>
> I was certainly under the impression that he is a Gentile.

Your impression is wrong.



> > > You are free and clear to criticize Israel and its policies all you like. It becomes offensive when
> > > you start criticizing Jewish *people* just for being Jewish.
> >
> > That's bullshit. Pat Buchanan doesn't criticize Jews just for being Jews.
>
> Did I mention Pat Buchanan? But no, he uses his "anti-Israel" tactics to slander them, refers to Congress
> as an Israeli lobby group, and declares that there is a "religious war" on for the soul of America. He's
> not particularly tolerant.

All the Jewish press is hostile to Pat and routinely call him a Nazi.



> When you make blanket accusations agains thte Jewish people for conspiratorial actions which do not
> exist, you slander Jews just for being Jews.

I condemn Jews for what they do, not the fact that they're Jews.



> > Well, when I use the term "nigger" I mean irresponsible, criminal, or anti-White Blacks. Can I use it
> > anywhere?
>
> Some places you can. Some places, I wouldn't do it unless my HMO was extremely lenient. It has the taint
> of having been widely used to indicate every single black person. It is, quite simply, a Word to Never
> Use. It's so poisonous that it can't possibly be used neutrally. Even if you were not using it to
> indicate all blacks, that is how it is going to be taken. Find another word. Really.
>
> (By the way, I *am* conscious that if I called some people "rednecks," I'd get popped in the jaw. But
> some people are proud of it--remember the old Hank Williams Jr. song?)

Yes, and many Blacks call each other niggers. I suppose its ok for people within a racial group to use these
words, but not people from other races.


> > > The intelligentsia were involved in Marxism, and Jews have traditionally been well-represented in
> > > intelligentsia because they valued schooling so highly. But the masses, the people who actually
> > > revolted, were almost entirely Gentile--because the population was almost entirely Gentile.
> >
> > Of course there wasn't anywhere near enough Jews to man every position, but that doesn't change the
> > fact that Jews were very disproportionately involved in Marxism.
>
> I would love to see some actual numbers, some day, from someone to back that up. No one has ever produced
> a study or roll of any kind that suggests how many Marxists were Jews and how many not.
> "Disproportionate" is just another vague term with insinuative, but not intrinsic, value.

Here, read this:


JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
Ian McKinney

 One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews
constituted the overwhelming majority of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these facts, it remains undeniable that
communism was both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary movement.

 First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal
and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since Jewishness is not defined exclusively
by adherance to Judaism. A great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists or
agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.

GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

 While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish,
while at the same time denying any otherwise significant Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that passed between American
representatives in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which
clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following quotes are taken directly from documents
available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews
prominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell:
"Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March 1, 1919, comes this telegram
>from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt. Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United
States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews
of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on the make-up of the presiding
Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since
the downfall of the Imperial Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of
Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was married to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered by a
former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev
Bronstein) leader of the Russian Revolution, architect of the Red Army, and commissar of foreign affairs
between 1917-1924. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as
chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky)
headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign
countries. Other prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses
Uritsky.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the Mensheviks, were likewise Jewish-dominated.
It was lead by Theodore Dan, Julius Martov (Tsederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the Jewish Bund)- all
Jews.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none other than Trotzky himself, who
included a reproduction of a widely circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and
married to a Jewess), Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and Lunacharsky
(gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The
Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for
Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social
revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud
immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized
and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the
existing order of things."

EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context, here's three paragraphs from Dr.
George A. Simons, a former superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda Hearing
Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having
come over from the lower east side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor
in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that there was somebody who could speak English,
and their broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these men called
on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm
conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The
latest startling information, given me by someone with good authority, startling information, is this, that
in December, 1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to
be real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution of the winter of 1917, there were
scores of Jews standing on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often
remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we
had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd, but
after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over Petrograd, we at once had a
predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not take kindly to it."

THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are "anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but
they'd be wrong. Here's a few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish
planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also,
through the same Jewish mental an physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of
Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4,
1919)

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews
comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article on
"Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime.
This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of
cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works,
vol. 13, p. 30).

While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, most
synagogues and rabbis were left virtually untouched.

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) conducted a horrendous reign of terror
against the non-Jewish Russian population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20 million
Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in history orchestrated by
Stalin's brother-in-law and the most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course, Kaganovich
certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the
rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. . . "

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were murdered in the 70 years of communist
rule in Russia, many of them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish Communist
bosses.

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the Jewish-Communist connection is discussed? After
all, how does their role in Communism play when juxtaposed with the Jew's fraudulent propaganda image
themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would
the Jew's "holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known? Consider the facts and answer
these questions honestly for your self.

-------------------------------------------------

 There is much more available information for those interested in the whole story, but it is hoped that this
ouline will serve as a handy reference whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged.


(This information is provided as a public service by the WESTERN IMPERATIVE NETWORK
http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/



> > > Karl Marx was not a Jew. He renounced Judaism and was an antisemite. One cannot disavow Judaism and
> > > be a Jew!
> >
> > Oh yes you can. there are many atheistic Jews running around.
>
> How can one be a Jew--that is, a follower of the Hebrew God--and an atheist?

I don't know. Ask a Jew.



> > > (What about Lenin, anyway?
> >
> > 25% Jewish
>
> Was he a practicing Jew? Did he go to shul?

I've read that he spoke Yiddish in his home.



> > > Khruschev?
> >
> > Married to a Jewess.
>
> But not a Jew.

Still a Jewish connection.



> > > Stalin?
> >
> > Married to a Jewess. Daughter married to a Jew. Son married to a Jewess.
>
> But not a Jew.

Still a Jewish connection.



> > > Brezhnev?
> >
> > I think he was married to a Jewess.
>
> But not a Jew.

Still a Jewish connection.



> > > Not good enough. Do you actually know of what you speak? This is, in all fairness, what I am trying
> > > to determine.
> >
> > I'm not going to drive to the damn library just to shut you up. I gave you a perfectly obtainable
> > reference and what it said the last time I checked.
>
> Tch, no need to be hostile. We're just having a debate here. But it seems you haven't the numbers on
> which to base those statements. How can you be sure they are true?

That's the number I recall, mainly because it was so astounding.

You should realize that anyone would get irritated by your constant demands for documentation and then when
its produced you either ignore it or demand more.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, you know that's not true. Jewish influence is very significant in virtually
> > > > everything harming the White Aryan people.
> > >
> > > And, as I said, not only is this a silly lie, but you obviously do
> > > *nothing* but repeat it ande whine about it. That's precisely what I
> > > meant: the white-power guys are too busy with self-pity and blaming the
> > > jews for everything to actually do something to "help the white race."
> >
> > Ok, IYO, What should I do to help the White race?
>
> In my opinion, get stuck down dead by a thunder bolt. It
> would help restore people's faith in God.

I doubt that, because such an occurance would prove that Satan controls the thunder.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > What else would a bunch of Nizkorites think? The day you people start liking
> > me is that day I better do some serious self-reflection.
>
> Typical delusions of grandeur: if everybody hates me, it's all THEIR
> fault. After all, there couldn't bhe anything wrong with MY behavior...

That's not what I said at all. I get along with almost everybody. Its just you
Nizkooks who hate everybody that doesn't accept the idea that Jews are a
powerless, inoffensive, and giving minority. I've know a number of Jews. Some were
ok, but in my experience, the ones associated with Nizkor are about the most
obnoxious Jews I've ever seen. The only ones worse are probably are those from the
JDO, who, by judging by their website, see very gentile who's not constantly
praising Jews as a either a dangerous Nazi or a potential Nazi.

Their website is really amazing. http://www.jdo.org

--
Regards,
ipm
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Sara wrote:

> In article <38210752.72A870A2@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Personally, I couldn't care less what kind of government the Jews have
> in Israel.
>
> Yet YOU were the one who brought up democracy.
>
> Can't stand the heat, can you?

What heat? Sara, you're living in La-La land.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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Alan Morgan wrote:

> In article <381F435F.C1AA41B9@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> >That's easy. How an immigration policy which practically guarantees that Whites will become a
> >minority in their own country within the next 70 years?
>
> Why doesn't it bother you that blacks are minorities in their country right now?

Because I'm not Black and Blacks never were a majority.


>  Why
> doesn't it bother you that American Indians are a minority in their country right
> now?

I'm not an Indian.



> Why doesn't it bother you that descendents of Mexicans and Asians are minorities
> in their country right now?

The last time I checked Mexicans were the majority in Mexico. The same with Asians. I know of no
Asian country that's not majority Asian.



> Could it be because you are a bigot?

No, a bigot bases his opinions on untruths. I use facts.



> And yes, it *is* their country.  Every bit as much as it is your country and *more* than
> it is my country, because I wasn't born here.

Why, because you were made a "citizen?" My people have been here since before the country was
actually formed. Get lost with your nonsense.



> There is always some group that is going to be a minority in their own country.  Duh.
> I hope that when white, atheist British-born Americans become a minority, that they'll
> be treated reasonably well.

When that happens there won't be any America as any of us would want to have. It will be political
correctness amplified 100X.



>  I think I'll start by treating the current minorities
> reasonably well and, with a bit of luck, they'll reciprocate.

I think these minorities get treated pretty well. A lot better than they treat Whites in their
countries. If you don't believe me, go to Mexico and see if you can get welfare and all the programs
and benefits that minorities get in America. Go to China and tell them you're just as Chinese as they
are. Go to Africa and see how many affirmative action and set-asides they'll give you.



> >> But you forget: there is no "white race."
> >
> >That's nonsense.
>
> Biologists don't like the concept of race.

Politically correct biologists maybe. But the fact remains that people and governments recognize
race. We have a whole bureaucracy built on race issues.



> >Funny, we don't have any problem at all in determining who's White. Yoy liberals must be
> >awafully confused if you can identify a White person from a Black or Asian.
>
> People from the Indian sub-continent (and boy, they *hate* it when I call it a sub-
> continent.  Heh heh) are usually classified as white.

By who, not me.



> >They're still Jews and see themselves as part of a larger Jewish community. They have a ethnic
> >consciousness apart from being members of the caucasian race or the nation in which they live.
> >They are Jews first, everything else second or third.
>
> Same with a great many Catholics.

Not like with Jews.


>  Same with a great many Texans (and if you don't believe me,
> you have never met a Texan).

I lived in Texas for six years. Your example is silly.



> >I don't keep a list of them, but their existance has been confirmed by both Buchanan himself and
> >at least one Jewish writer that I can confirm.
>
> How many of them are Protestant?  Huh?  How many?  Why don't you find *that* significant?

Jews are abouit 4% of the population. Protestants are, what, 50% or more?



> >> By the way, they weren't being blamed for Jews being Marxist revolutionaries. They were
> >> blamed for being Jews.
> >
> >Marxism is a Jewish ideology. It was created by a Jew and promoted by Jews.
>
> It was promoted by a lot of people.  It was very popular among British intellectuals in
> the early part of this century, for example (several of whom were not Jewish).  I also was
> not aware that Chairman Mao was Jewish.  Funny.  He doesn't *look* Jewish.

I have no doubt that Jews helped Mao, but its ludicrous to suggest that a caucasian Jew could be a
leader in China. The Jew's leadership of Marxist revolution, subversion, and espionage has been
limited to the West for obvious reasons.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's privacy and I had an
> > opportunity to be the teacher.
>
> Like hell you were. All you did was provide another reason
> for the FBI and other authorities to keep an eye on you.

My record is completely spotless. I haven't even had a traffic ticket in 20 years. If
the police keep an eye on me they'll probably fall asleep.



> Imagine, threatening to "hold the feet" of a witness in a
> criminal case "to the fire." No wonder you Nazis lost the
> war -- all hate and no brains.

My postings had nothing to do with any trial and you know that. I don't know anything
about that trial anyway except that that case was over two years ago. What bullshit. My
postings had to do with showing what a pathetic hypocrite McVay really is. Maybe he
should start respecting other people's privacy for a change. For four years I've put up
with his constant poking into my private life. I haven't done that to anyone before this
and I have no plans on making it my practice. Of course, McVay will probably continue,
but at least I demonstrated to any moral person just what a two-faced hypocrite he is.

I consider myself to be a cut above the ex-gas jockey.

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <38194EE6.41D85B79@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >RockyMtnCougar wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3818B6DF.2A0A8192@usaor.net>, heap big white trash loser
> >> ipm  wrote:
> >> Yep, typical Nazi scum-bucket. Get ticked off at a Marine, call up
> >> reinforcements and go find a woman to beat up.
> >
> >Are you as dumb as you sound? Your buddy, McVay, the big marine, had to use a
> >woman in a futile attempt against me.
> >
> Anonymous Coward:
>
> Thanks for the good work you're doing. Those of us who believe in fighting
> hate and racism are delighted at how much help you're giving us!

Don't bluster, Sara. McVay came out looking like an ass. I set the trap and he
fell for it. We goyim aren't as dumb as you think we are.

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Sara wrote:

> In article <3821B22E.2F854441@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > What heat? Sara, you're living in La-La land.
> >
> Sorry, Spunky. I live in Colorado.

Mentally you're in La-La land.

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JEWS AND COMMUNISM (Revision 1.5)
Ian McKinney

One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the majority of the
Bolshevik leadership and were found in very disproportionate numbers in
other Marxist regimes across eastern Europe. While the Jews, and those
sympathetic to them, continue to condemn anyone who brings up these
facts as an “anti-Semite" or “hatemonger”, it remains undeniable that
communism was both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary movement.

First, it is a fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew
because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended
>from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289). Whether
he was a "religious" Jew is of no significant importance in this
discussion, since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherence to
Judaism. The Jews themselves argue almost constantly over what makes one
a Jew. Nonetheless, a great bulk of Jews today would probably identify
themselves as atheists or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider
themselves Jews. Regardless of interpretations, Marx was from an
undeniably Jewish family and his children “retained or regained a sense
of Jewish identity” according to Benjamin Ginsberg in “The Fatal Embrace
– Jews and the State”, in which he then goes on to conclude: “Marx took
little pride in his Jewishness. He must be considered a prime candidate
for that problematic category with Lasalle and Heine, of the self-hating
Jew.” Marx was of indisputable Jewish ancestry, perhaps a “self-hating”
Jew, but a Jew nonetheless.


GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any
otherwise significant Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which clearly
identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following quotes are
taken directly from documents available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominent in local Soviet government,
anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
`commissars' including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
(Lenin was married to the suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since
been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
leader of the Russian Revolution, was architect of the Red Army, and
commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon)
was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of
the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori
Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern),
the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl
Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach),
Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky head of the
Commisary for the Constituent Assembly.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the
Mensheviks, the percentage of Jews was even greater. It was led by
Theodore Dan, Julius Martov (Zederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of
the Jewish Bund)- all Jews. Likewise, the two other principle Marxist
factions in conflict with the Bolsheviks and who often sided with the
Mensheviks, were Rosa Luxembrg’s Polish Social Democrats (Luxemberg, a
Jew, was one of the top Marxist agitators later who worked with another
Marxist Jew, Karl Liebnecht, in revolutionary activities in Germany
until 1919, when both were assassinated by German Freikorps militiamen.)
and the revolutionary Jewish Bund.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none
other than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely
circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following
persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and married to a suspected Jewess),
Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and
Lunacharsky (gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three full paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
United States Senate, 65th Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
more than half the agitators in the so-called Bolshevik movement were
Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
did not take kindly to it."

Even as recently as 1965, a study by the US Senate Judiciary Committee
of anti-Jewish policies of the Soviet government at that time entitled
“The Soviet Empire, A Study of Discrimination and Abuse of Power”
revealed that before WW2 a whopping 41.1% of the members of the entire
Supreme Soviet had been Jews.


TOP JEWISH BANKER FINANCED THEM

Not only were Jews represented in amazing numbers among the Marxist
revolutionaries, but the most wealthy Jewish bankers gave loans and
other financing. In the New York Journal-American of February 3, 1949
society columnist Cholly Knickerbocker revealed that Jacob Schiff’s
grandson, a prominent member of New York society at that time, revealed
that his grandfather firm Kuhn, Loeb “sank” $20 million dollars into the
“final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia.” Schiff’s early and generous
financial aid to the Bolsheviks is also confirmed in the Jewish Communal
Register of New York City for 1917-1918.


THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some might automatically assume that the preceding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
4, 1919)

"You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are
intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have been at the
bottom not merely of the latest great war but of all your wars, not only
of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history."
(Marcus Eli Ravage, Century Magazine, January-February 1928).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan (grandson of Lazar Kagaonvich), The
Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

"We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We
who have posed as the saviors of the world, we who have boasted of
having given it the Savior, we are today nothing else but the world's
seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its executioners..." (Dr.
Oscar Levy, preface to the book The World Significance of the Russian
Revolution by Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford University)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and
Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

ANTI-SEMITISM MADE A CAPITAL OFFENSE

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an
extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).


JEWISH-LED SECRET POLICE MURDER MILLIONS

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one operation alone, they deliberately starved to death 8
to 20 million Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the
most vile campaigns in history orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law
and the most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course,
Kaganovich certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine
Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,"
reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.

The prominence of Jews in Soviet secret police agencies was not isolated
to the Unkraine, Benjamin Ginsberg discusses this in his 1994 book “The
Fatal Embrace – Jews and the State”: “During the 1920s and 1930s, Jews
were a major element in the secret police and other Soviet security
forces. Genrikh Yagoda, for instance, served as chief of the secret
police during the 1930s. Yagoda had been a pharmacist before the
Revolution and specialized in preparing poisons for his agents to use in
liquidating Stalin's opponents.

Ginsberg continues in the next paragraph by describing how Jews greatly
expanded and organized the murderous Soviet Gulag prison system: “Other
high-ranking Jewish secret policemen included Matvei Berman and Naftali
Frenkel who helped to expand and institutionalize the slave labor
system. Slave laborers working under Frenkel's supervision built the
White-Sea Baltic Canal in 1932. As many as 200,000 workers perished
while completing this project. Another Jewish security officer, K. V.
Pauker, served as chief of operations of the secret police in the 1930s.
Lev lnzhir was chief accountant for the Gulag. M. T. Gay headed the
special secret police department that conducted the purges of the 1930s.
In what came to be called the "Great Terror," he supervised the mass
arrests, trials, and executions of Stalin's opponents. Two other Jewish
secret policemen, A. A. Slutsky and Boris Berman, were in charge of
Soviet terror and espionage abroad during the 1930s. Jews were also
important in the Red Army. In addition to Trotsky, prominent Jewish
generals included Yona Yakir, who was a member of the Communist party
central committee; Dmitri Schmidt, a civil war hero and commander of the
Kiev area; and Yakob Kreiser, a hero of the defense of Moscow during the
Second World War."

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 80 million persons were
murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
directly at the hands of Jews at the order of Jewish Communist secret
police bosses using execution, starvation, assassination, and the Gulag
slave labor prisons.

JOSEPH STALIN’S JEWISH CONNECTIONS

Although there’s occasional claims that Stalin himself was of Jewish
ancestry, I have found no evidence so far to support that, however,
there’s no doubt that Stalin had many Jewish connections through
marriage. Most notably Stalin’s third wife was Rosa Kaganovich, was a
sister of his right hand man, Lazar Kaganovich, mentioned in the
preceding paragraph. Also Stalin’s daughter, Svetlana, married Mihail
Kaganovich, son of Lazar in 1951. Stalin’s son, Vassili, married
Svetlana Molotov, the half-Jewish daughter of then vice-premier Molotov,
whose wife was a sister to Jewish businessman Sam Karp of the Karp
Export-Import Co. of Bridgeport, Conn. (The preceding information was
drawn from a July 15, 1951 Associated Press article “Miss Stalin
Lavishly Wed” and a July 14, 1941 Life magazine article highlighting the
Kaganovich family.)


OTHER JEWISH-MARXIST REGIMES

GERMANY(BAVARIA)

In the aftermath of WW1, Communists staged an ultimately unsuccessful
takeover of Germany, which only succeeded in gaining control of Bavaria
for a short time. From “The Fatal Embrace – Jews and the State”: “Among
the most vehement opponents of the Socialist provisional government was
the German Communist party, whose leadership also included a number of
Jews. In 1919, under the direction of party chief Paul Levi, the KPD
staged a revolt against the Socialist provisional government. One of the
most prominent leaders of this revolt was Rosa Luxemburg, who was later
captured and murdered by rightist paramilitary forces. Jews were also
among the leaders of the Communist government that the KPD briefly
established in Bavaria after the murder of Kurt Eisner. Eugene Levine
was head of the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic, Gustav Landauer
was its commissar for propaganda and cultural affairs, and Ernst Toller
commanded its "red army." This regime was crushed in May 1919 by free
corps forces.”

Of Kurt Eisner, John Toland comments in his book, “Adolf Hitler”: "In
Munich another insurrection broke out on November 7. It was led by Kurt
Eisner, a small elderly Jew wearing a black floppy hat which, large as
it was, couldn't contain a shock of wild hair. Especially untidy, he was
a living cartoon of the bomb-throwing Red."

HUNGARY

Jewish preponderance was evident outside of Russia and first became
obvious during the short-lived Marxist takeover of Hungary in the spring
of 1919 led by the Jew, Bela Kuhn (Cohen) and a group of mostly Jewish
revolutionaries. The political murders, suppression and communizing of
the country's Industrial and agricultural resources, which produced a
famine in the cities, combined with the peasantry's antipathy for the
Jews, resulted in Kuhn's eventual overthrow after only three months.  In
an amazingly frank report, the "New International Year Book of 1919
(Dodd, Mead, Co., page 587) has summarized the situation: "One of the
chief weaknesses in the new regime was antipathy to the Jews. In the
country districts the feeling was widespread that the revolution had
been a movement on the part of the Jews to seize the power for
themselves, and the remark was frequently heard that if the Jews of
Budapest died of starvation, so much the better for the rest of the
country. The government of Bela Kun was composed almost exclusively of
Jews who held also the  administrative offices.”

Bela Kuhn was deposed and interned in a lunatic asylum. Eventually he
was released and returned to Russia where he assumed control of the
Cheka secret police in southern Russia.

In 1945, when Hungary fell under the control of the USSR, Matyas Rakosi,
another Jew, was installed as supreme dictator with two other Jews, Erno
Gero and Zoltan Vas in the number two and three positions. This is
confirmed by John Gunther in his book “Behind the Iron Curtain.” Rakosi
was an intimate of Stalin, knew Lenin, and was a Commissar under Bela
Kuhn.

According to Benjamin Ginsberg, other powerful Jews in Hungary were
Peter Gabor who commanded the secret police, Joseph Revai as minister of
culture and chief party propagandist. Jews also headed the state
planning office, the ministry controlling industry and commerce, and
Radio Hungary.

ROMANIA

Jewess Anna Pauker became dictator of Romania from 1947 to 1952. She
also served as minister of foreign affairs in Poland and East Germany.
Anna was born in Bucharest of orthodox Jewish parents. Her father (who
was a Kosher butcher) and a brother lived in Israel. Anna  earned a
living for a time teaching Hebrew. For a period she lived in the U.S.
Her husband ultimately became identified as a "Troskyite," and was
executed in one of Stalin's purges. During the early 1950s Anna Pauker
was one of the most powerful figures in the communist  world.

YUGOSLAVIA

The only non-Jewish dictator behind the Iron Curtain in the years
immediately following WW2 was Tito of Yugoslavia, a fact which probably
explains his revolt against the Kremlin.  But Tito was tutored by the
Jew, Mosa Pljade. Says John Gunther of Pijade: "He is Tito's mentor . .
. Whatever ideological structure Tito may have, he got from this shrewd
old man."

POLAND

Poland has shared the tragic fate of Hungary. The men who dominated
Poland in the years just after WW2 were the Jews, Mine, Skryesiewski,
Modielewski, and Berman. The first three are of cabinet rank, while
Jacob Berman's official position is that of Under-Secretary of State — a
minor office, Yet it was actually Jacob Berman who was the undisputed
boss of Poland. Berman, a product of the Warsaw ghetto, had lived in
Russia, and was installed as dictator over Poland when the Russian
armies took over the country. He preferred to work behind the scenes as
much as possible — a device frequently used to hide the Jewishness of
communism, Poland's Jewish bureaucracy was perhaps the largest of any
Iron Curtain country outside of Russia proper. Although Jews comprised
less than 3% of the total population behind the Iron  Curtain, they
occupied virtually every position of authority.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA

The secretary-general of the communist party in Czechoslovakia, whom
John Sunther identifies as a Jew, was Rudolph Slansky. Like the other
satellite dictators, he was placed in command when the communists took
over in the aftermath of WW2, Slansky, incidentally, was eventually
purged by the party. On page 10 of the Dec. 10th QUICK magazine Stansky
is identified as the "former Red Boss" of Czechoslavakia, but he is not
identified as a Jew.

John Gunther summarizes in “Behind the Iron Curtain” on the Jewish roles
in the years immediately after WW2 and through the 1950s: “Jews play a
very prominent role in several governments....The three "Muscovites" who
run Hungary are Jews, the men who dominate Poland are Jews, the
secretary general of the Communist party in Czechoslovakia is a Jew,
Anna Pauker of Rumania is a Jewess.”


POST WW2 SOVIET ESPIONAGE OVERWHELMINGLY JEWISH

During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were
conducted against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the
most well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement
of Jews in communist activities against the United States.

AMERASIA CASE

In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for stealing 1700 highly
classified State Department documents. Three of the six were Jews:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist
paper, "Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.

Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.

Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.


ALGER HISS CASE

Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most influential men in the
State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a protege of Jewish
Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite Frankfurter's court
appearance as a character witness, Hiss was convicted of perjury and
sentenced to five years.


GERHARD EISLER CASE

Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of the communist party ever
brought to trial, was the secret boss of the communist party between
1935 and 1947. In May of 1950, while free on bail, Eisler fled the U.S.
and later became the propaganda chief of communist Eastern Germany. His
sister, Ruth, was a communist agent for a number of years.


HOLLYWOOD TEN

In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were
convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Nine of the
ten were Jews:

Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New
Masses.

Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.

Lester Cole, a communist party member.

Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.

Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.

John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.

Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.

Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.

Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.

Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.


AMERICAN POLITBURO

The case exposed the fact that at least six of eleven members of the
National Secretariat of the American Communist Party were Jewish. Those
identified as Jews were:

Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green
(real name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving
Potash, and Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real
name, Waldron), Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.


FUCHS-GOLD SPY RING

Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was brought to America at
the personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While working on the
Manhattan Project, Fuchs had access to our innermost atomic secrets from
1942 to 1945. Based upon information obtained from Fuchs during
interrogations, the FBI began investigations which resulted in the
arrest of nine other members of the spy ring. Of the nine, who were all
convicted, eight were Jewish:

Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950,
pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.

David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her
husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.

Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with
secret information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and
synthetic rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy against the U.S.

Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.

Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole plans for the highly
secret proximity fuse. He also aided in the theft of other atomic
secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death.

Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She
was the sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed
on June 19,1953.

Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was
convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty
years.

(Milton Friedman, columnist, in the California Jewish Voice, on August
18, 1950, spoke of "Headlines about Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Julius
and Ethel Rosenberg, Abraham Brothman, Miriam Moskowitz, and other Jews
accused of spying for Russia.")

It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic installation
was Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a communist
agent by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a Jew,
but married to a Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.


SECOND STRING POLITBURO

After the convictions of the first-string, "American Politburo", a
second-string was scheduled to take over the communist operations. In
1951, the Justice Department indicted the whole group. The new group
consisted of 21 members, 14 of which were Jews:

Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George
Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel,
Alexander Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine,
William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.

Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia
Jones, were negroes.


THE ROUND UP

On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists party officials on
the West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders were arrested on the
East Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to overthrow the U.S.
government. Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast, six were identified as
Jews:

Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank
Spector, Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.

Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews: Regina Frankfeld,
George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.


ADDITIONAL CASES AND JEWISH PERSONS

Dr. Sidney Weinbaum, Russian-born Jewish scientist at Caltech in 1950,
was indicted in Los Angeles in June of that year on eight counts of
perjury and fraud against the government in connection with loyalty
procedures. Richard B. Hood, head of the Los Angeles FBI office, was
quoted as saying that Weinbaum had been "a member of the Los Angeles
Professional Unit No. 122 of the Communist Party, under the name of
Sydney Empson." (Los Angeles Examiner, June 3, 1950, p. 3) Another
Caltech scientist, Dr. Jacob W. Dubnoff, also Jewish, was "ordered
before Federal Judge James M. Carter after refusing to answer questions
before a special session of a Federal Grand Jury."

Philip Bart, also Jewish, general manager of the Daily Worker, official
organ of the Communist Party, refused to testify about Communist
activities. He told the House Committee on Un-American Activities "it
was none of their business what his name was before he legally changed
it to Bart," according to an INS dispatch of June 21. (Such data, for
some strange reason, was kept secret in New York City, which has often,
over the years, been referred to as the Jewish Capital of America and
the World) Bart was cited on August 11, 1950, by the House for contempt
of Congress.

Judith Coplon, a convicted spy for the Communist government of Russia,
had a key; and key-hole position in the Department of Justice. Judith
was also Jewish.

Jakob Golos, who died early in World War II, was identified by
ex-Communist Elizabeth Bentley as the head of a Communist espionage ring
in which she, George Silverman and other allegedly operated.

The once mysterious "Scientist X" was identified by the House Committee
on Un-American Activities as Dr. Joseph Weinberg, a University of
Minnesota staff member. In its report on atomic espionage issued
September, 1949, the Committee told in vivid detail how Weinberg went to
the house of "Steve Nelson," then a member of the National Committee of
the Communist Party, and volunteered to give him information on the
atomic bomb, and how he later evidently carried out his promise in a
furtive meeting with a vice consul of the Russian embassy. Weinberg was
Jewish. We do not know the racial identity of Nelson, but the House
Committee revealed his real name to be Mesarosh.

That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in the
1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers,
Elizabeth Bentley, and Vanderbilt Fields. All three later renounced
their affiliations with the communist party and provided valuable
information that lead to investigations and convictions. Not
coincidentally, all three of these former communists were married to
Jews.

CONCLUSION

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the
Jewish-Communist connection is discussed? While it is true that in the
very upper and most conspicuous leadership positions Jews were reduced
gradually after WW2, the Soviet espionage apparatus and lower levels of
the bureaucracy remained heavy with Jews until the collapse of the USSR
in the late 1980s. Because of this fact anti-Jewish feelings are high in
Russia and many of the former Soviet Bloc countries today. Many people
associate Jews with the worst abuses of the Soviet System and for good
reason.

The evidence is very powerful of Jewish involvement in nearly every
manifestation of Marxism both in the USSR and elsewhere in the West. But
curiously this is one historical area where Jews are eager to forget and
hope everybody else will do likewise! After all, how does their role in
Communism play when juxtaposed with the Jew's fraudulent propaganda
image themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and unjustly
persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's "holocaust"
be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known? Consider the
facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.


There is much more available information for those interested in the
whole story, but it is hoped that this outline will serve as a handy
reference whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism is
challenged. This information is provided as a public service by the
WESTERN IMPERATIVE NETWORK http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/


BIBLIOGRAPHY

The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

Associated Press, “Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed”, July 15, 1951.

Frank Britton, Behind Communism.

Encyc. Britannica “Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Vol. III

Benjamin Ginsberg, “The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State”, University
of Chicago Press, 1994.

Stuart Kahan, “The Wolf of the Kremlin”

Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919

John Gunther, “Behind the Iron Curtain”, Harper Bros., 1951

Life magazine, “Kaganovich”, July 14, 1941

George Pitts-Rivers, “The World Significance of the Russian Revolution”,
Oxford University

John Toland, “Adolf Hitler”, Anchor Books, 1992.

Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton. The Rosenberg File. Yale University
Press. New Haven and London. 1997. ISBN 0-300-07205-8

Marcus Eli Ravage, “Commissary to the Gentiles”, Century Magazine,
January-February 1928

William Shirer, “The Rise and fall of the Third Reich”, Cresent Books,
1994.

Joseph Stalin, “Collected Works”

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918

State Department document 861.00/2205 sent July 5, 1918

Pavel and Anatoli Sudoplatov. Special Tasks. Little, Brown and Company.
New York. 1995. ISBN 0-316-82115-2

Quick magazine, “A Czech Purge”, December 1951.

Universal Jewish Encyc., Vol.VII

Maj. Robert H. Williams. Know Your Enemy.



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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> The news item below is for those who do not agree with
> Germany's laws against Nazis. Germans, of course, are among
> the most informed about the murderous evil that is inherent
> in Nazism.

That's crap. Germans are the most brainwashed people when it comes to
National Socialism. They've been under occupation since 1945.


> Unfortunately, Americans are rather slow in
> catching on.

IOW, the FBI isn't throwing everyone in jail who has a less than
flattering opinion of Jews. That's what you mean.


> I wonder how many people will have to be murdered this time
> before Americans wake up and smell the Zyklone.

The worst punishment I could think of  for Jews would be to remove them
>from all gentile nations, send them all to Israel, and then make them
live together! I'll bet they couldn't take it.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by
Lawrence Osborne
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Jews have been hated for the sole reason that there are so
> many hateful people in the world. Throughout history there
> have always been people like Scott Bradbury (Tavis) and his
> follow Neo-Nazis and skinheads, who live lives of
> desperation, ignorance, and hatred. Driven mad by hate, they
> are too blind to see how irrational are the rants they
> scream. As David Lloyd George, Prime Minister of Great
> Britain (1916-1922) observed, anti-Semites hate Jews for
> hate's sake:

Here we go again with the old "Its everybody else's fault" excuse. When are you going
to admit it, Slotnick, if Jews weren't so damned obnoxious and subversive nobody would
dislike them.

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Buck Turgidson posted worn-out Jewish propaganda:

THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIST" LIE

[Jewish nonsense snipped]

Here's the truth:

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM REFUTED

The following article was posted to the Usenet by a Nizkorite in a pathetic
effort to counter racial activist’s exposure of the Jew’s inspiration,
leadership, and disproportionate participation in the Communist revolution that
took control of Russia and unleashed mass-murder on a scale that exceeds
anything in history. As you read this Jewish Chronicle hack piece pay attention
to the fact that outside of a few vague references to unknown documents the
Jewish author gives no documentation for any of his claims.

The rebuttal comments in brackets are mine, but realize that a point by point,
line by line rebuttal would take many hours since virtually every sentence is
either totally unsupported by evidence, a flat-out lie, or a mendacious
distortion. As time permits I will revise this rebuttal, adding evidence and
notes as my time permits. - - IPM,  10/24/99

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
By ISRAEL COHEN

The Jewish Chronicle - December 12, 1919


The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews in Russia
with the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement, and thus to
hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are based solely upon
the fact that a certain number of prominent Bolshevist Commissaries are of
Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been denied, have been built up
all sorts of fantastic accusations, such as that the Jews wish to wreak revenge
upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom, and that they aim at sweeping
away Christian civilisation so as to enthrone Judaism as the dominant faith
throughout the world. How utterly absurd these calumnies are, and how
grotesquely exaggerated are most of the stories of Jewish participation in
Bolshevism can be proved by an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable
facts and figures.

[IPM: Its hardly absurd, since in 1999 we have a long and extensive record of
disproportionate Jewish involvement in Communist activities including, but not
limited to political agitation, organizational leadership, Soviet espionage,
and armed revolutionary activity. The first three are confirmed by Jewish
psychohistorian, Stanley Roth writing in the “The Journal of Psychohistory”,
Fall 1978, who provides a useful summary of Jewish involvement with Communism
throughout the western World in "Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He
writes: "In the United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of
Jewish background during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union was
heavily Jewish and, just as importantly, the Soviet espionage apparatus in this
country ... was pretty largely of Jewish background." He continues: “In Western
Europe Jews continued to take an active radical role. In France, during the
1968 upheavals, students of Jewish background dominated Trotskyite leadership
cadres." "Jews provided the critical mass for the student left and the counter
culture in the United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies indicate
that in its initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67% Jewish." Rothman then
goes on to show how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at mid-Western
campuses. One (Gentile) SDS Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin, commented: "I am
struck by the lack of Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the massive
preponderance of New York Jews. The situation at the University of Minnesota is
similar." In the faculties too, the radical factions were "largely Jewish".

In another article in the (American Jewish Historical Quarterly, December 1976)
Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind": "The Jewish Daily Forward (a
Yiddish socialist newspaper) to a large extent surpassed the rabbis and
Orthodoxy as the educator of the Jewish community in the United States ... The
more astute and sensitive Jewish Socialists in the pre-World War I years ...
sought opportunities to demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and
interpreted it, was quite compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism
was presented to the Jewish masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus,
during a strike, the Law of Moses was cited in support of the strikers. The
Socialist Party's Rand School was lyricized by the Forward at its founding in
1906 as 'the socialist' yeshiva ... where the rabbis and teachers of our
movement were being prepared'..

As to armed revolutionary activity, Roth exposes the fact that the violent
Weather Underground was heavily Jewish: and he quotes from an interview with a
Jewish ex-Weatherman who recalls the motivations of himself and his peers in
the 1960s: "A lot of the Weatherman leadership was Jewish and had never been
tough street kids, and I really believe that a tremendous amount of what they
were doing was overcoming their own fears about their masculinity ... Most of
them ... had been intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they were
trying to be tough street kids ... I think there was a lot of self-hate going
on."]

]


"JEWS" SAID TO BE BOLSHEVISTS

It is impossible to state the exact number or even proportion of Bolshevist
Commmissaries who are of Jewish origin, for the simple reason that the Soviet
Government has not carried out a religious or race census of its civil
servants. If such a census were carried out it would doubtless show that pure
Russians, Poles, and Letts predominate considerably over the Jews. All the
statements made that the latter form the majority of the Commissaries are at
best the sheerest conjecture.

[IPM: This is absolute nonsense. Any astute person can determine with a fair
degree of accuracy whether someone is a Jew. Its no different than today when
just about any political analyst knows, for example, that Bill Clinton has a
tremendous number of Jews in his administration. These people don’t wear yellow
stars or a sign on their back that says: “I’m a Jew”, but the information gets
around anyway. I mean some of the Jews in Russia even tried to mascarade by
changing their obviously Jewish name to something that sounded Russian. For
example, Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon)  who was both the Bolshevik party's executive
secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the
Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) who headed the Communist
International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in
foreign countries. Press commissar Karl Radek  (Sobelsohn), and foreign affairs
commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach). I expect only a nincompoop would have been
fooled into thinking these people were real Russians.]


Not
one such statement has been substantiated by names or by unimpeachable
statistics. Prominent Commissaries are designated as Jews, and if no denial is
published, the label - and the libel - stick. Of the list of twenty-eight
"conspicuous Bolshevists" given in a recent issue of The Times, by a
correspondent who signed himself "Janus", as "either full-blooded Jews or of
Jewish extraction," at least ten were either non-Jews, or anti-Bolshevists, or
dead Bolshevists, and I have obtained information that another two, Parvus and
Bakowski, must also be eliminated. For Parvus, although he was associated with
a Bolshevist paper in Stockholm, subventioned by the German Imperial Government
for the purpose of creating chaos in Russia, is not a Bolshevist himself, has
not been in Russia for the last few years, and is living quietly in
Switzerland.

{IPM: Ok , he’s was no longer a Bolshevik, but he was still a communist.]


As for Rakowski, I have received a letter from a British military officer in
Paris who spent a couple of year of the war in South Russia and neighbouring
territories, stating that Rakowski on several occasions stood as Socialist
candidate for Galatz; and it is notorious that Jews, at any rate hitherto,
cannot be admitted to the Rumanian Parliament.

[IPM: Virtually none of this can be verified, This author provides no
bibliography or gives no sources to support any of his claims, but even if the
preceding claim is true that’s only one out of many.]



But be the number of Bolshevist Commissaries of Jewish birth whatever it may,
that affords no proof that the majority of the Jews in Soviet Russia approve of
Bolshevist doctrines, still less that they condone Bolshevist
iniquities. If Trotzky or any of his comrades of Jewish origin were the elected
or recognised representatives of Russian Jewry, or even of a single Jewish
community or party, one might conclude that their policy and
principles were sanctioned by the Jews in general. But neither Trotzky nor any
other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represents or has ever represented the Jewish
people, or is connected with the Jewish community or any Jewish
party, or has ever taken any active part in Jewish public life. Nor does
Trotzky or any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represent specifically Jewish
ideals, advocate specifically Jewish aspirations, or share specifically Jewish
sympathies. On the contrary, these men are, as a matter of fact, divorced from
the Jewish community, completely estranged from Jewish teachings and
traditions, and have shown themselves in many things actually hostile to Jews.
When Trotzky first became prominent as a Bolshevist leader he was appealed to
by a deputation of the Council of the Petrograd Jewish Community to sever his
connection with the movement, as they feared that it would lead to the shedding
of innocent Jewish blood; but he remained adamant to their entreaties, denying
that he was a Jew and
refusing to recognise Jews as such. And when he was appealed to later to save a
Jewish community from a pogrom, he replied that he recognised no difference of
religion or nationality. But although Trotzky is one of the most prominent
Bolshevists, he was not the creator of the system. The doctrine was hatched in
the pure Slavic brain of Lenin, and Trotzky is a comparatively recent disciple.

[IPM: We now know based on information from the recently opened Soviet archives
that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. Hardly a “pure Slavic brain.”]


Even The Times (in its issue of December 5th last) states: "Trotzky, the vulgar
Thersites of Brest-Litovsk, was a
late arrival, who turned Bolshevist only because the political quarantine to
which he had been subjected by the British authorities at Halifax prevented him
>from sailing in time to assume the leadership of the Menshevists after the
revolution." So, the British authorities are apparently responsible for Trotzky
having turned Bolshevist ! How
repugnant Lenin's doctrine is to the Jewish mind is proved by the fact that
among the host of well-known Jewish writers in Russia not a single one was
forthcoming to propagate its virtues, and the Commissary for Education, whose
particular function is to distil and disseminate the principles of the
communist creed, is a pure Russian - Lunacharsky.

[IPM: Notice the sleight of hand used in this article. The author concentrates
on Bolsheviks only, as if the Mensheviks were something other than
revolutionary Marxists.]




SOME ANTI-BOLSHEVIST FACTS

Such statistics as are available show that only a small percentage of the Jews
are followers of Lenin. In the autumn of 1917 the Bolshevists published a
statistical analysis of the constituents of the Soviets, showing that the
Bolshevists were more largely composed of pure Russian elements than the
Menshevists, who are anti-Bolshevists.

[IPM: Anti-Bolshevik, but still Marxists]


In December, 1918, the Jews formed only 2.6 per cent of the 121,071 organised
Bolshevists in Petrograd. On the other hand, in the Jewish Pale of Settlement,
there were 18,000 organised Menshevists, but there were no organised
Bolshevists worth speaking of. Moreover, whenever there has been any election
during the last two years in the Jewish communities in Russia, there have been
all sorts of parties, but never a Bolshevist party.

[IPM: Still Menshevik = Marxist]


 In February, 1918, there were elections in thirty-two large communities, and
of the 1,034 representatives belonging to ten different parties, there were 438
Zionists, 139 Orthodox, and 124 Bundists, but not a single Bolshevist.

[IPM: Curiously, the author leaves out one important detail about the
“Bundists” as indicated by the following statement:  “Perhaps these reforms are
the cause of the present tranquillity, because the revolutionary leaders nearly
all belong to the Jewish race and the most effective revolutionary agency is
the JEWISH BUND.” (From a speech given to the National Geographic Society,
Washington, DC, on December 14, 1906, by William Elroy Curtis and published in
National Geographic Magazine for May, 1907 (pp. 313-314)). The revolutionary
nature of the Jewish Bund is also confirmed here: “In 1897 was founded the
Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their energy made them the
spearhead of the (Communist) Party (Article on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski,
Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827). It is apparent here, and verified through
other sources also, that the Jewish Bund was just another a Marxist/Communist
organization.


Interestingly, the B’na B’rith published a brochure entitled “Answer
Anti-Jewish Propaganda With Statistics” which deceptively claims that “The
great part of Russian Jewish population belonged to the Menshevik party.” The
fact to remember is that Menshevik = Communist. The Mensheviks and Bolsheviks
were merely competing factions within the Russian Marxist movement, and when
the Bolsheviks gained the upper hand the Mensheviks merely switched hats of
affiliation to become Bolsheviks.

As to the Zionists mentioned, they are nothing more than Jewish nationalists.
Hardly a group loyal or patriotic to Russia.]


 Again, there was a conference of Jewish communities in Moscow at the beginning
of July, 1918, and of the 133 delegates representing thirty-nine communities,
there were fifty-three Zionists, twenty Orthodox, and fifteen Bundists, but not
a single Bolshevist. The reason for the unpopularity of Bolshevism among the
Jews is due not only
to its politics, but also to its predatory economics. For the establishment of
the communist regime was aimed essentially at the propertied classes, the
bourgeoisie; it struck principally at the existence of the merchants, the
manufacturers, and the members of the liberal professions, who were most
largely recruited from the Jewish
community. How often were we told before the war that the Jews in Russia were
only pedlars, middlemen, and usurers ? How often were we told during the war
that the Jews were the profiteers ? Is it then likely that they
would favour a system that would blight their economic existence ? Is it they
who would set up a dictatorship of the proletariat ?

So far from the Jews having thrown in their lot with Lenin, they are among his
most determined opponents. As the Council of the Jewish Community of Archangel
pointed out in December, 1918, in a memorandum to the Provisional Government of
North Russia, "if there are Jews who are leaders of the Bolshevists, there are
similarly Jews in the forefront ranks of the fight against Bolshevism." The
leader of the Russian Menshevists is a Jewish Socialist, Paul Axelrod; and Dan
and Martoff, sometimes wrongly dubbed Bolshevists, are also Menshevists.
Further, the Jewish middle and upper classes belong mainly to the Liberal party
of the Cadets, whose leader, the eminent Jewish lawyer, M. Vinaver, was
compelled to flee for his life. Another acknowledged and esteemed leader of
Russian Jewry, Baron de Gunzburg, was also forced to flee abroad, and the
well-known advocate, Bramson, has tasted bitterly of Soviet oppression. But,
what is more significant still, the Commissary Uritzky was killed by the Jew
Kannegiesser, and the only attempt upon the life of Lenin was made by a Jewish
girl, Dora Kaplan.

[IPM: It is never the case that ALL Jews agree with each other. And, there’s
nothing rare about Jews killing other Jews over political differences. For
example, we had Israeli Prime Minister Rabin assassinated by a conservative Jew
in Israel two years ago. Even in my personal experience with Jews, I’ve met
right-wing Zionist Jews who absolutely hated leftist Jews.]



THE JEWISH FATE

But if there is anything that should demonstrate how groundless and grotesque
is the lie that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, it is the record of the
persecution of the Jewish communities by the Soviet Commissaries and of the
pogroms by the Bolshevist soldiery and mob. Local Commissaries have carried on
a bitter and relentless campaign against the organised religious communities.

[IPM: A campaign aimed mostly at Christians.]


In many towns, such as Saratoff and Kursk, the Jewish communal organisation has
been suppressed, and communal
buildings (schools, libraries, etc.) have been closed or requisitioned. The
Hebrew language has been stigmatised as "counter-revolutionary," and Hebrew
newspapers have been proscribed. A decision of the Commissariat of
Education, passed on July 11, 1919, states that "the language Ibrith does not
form the vernacular of the Jewish masses, for which reason this language cannot
be regarded as a language of a national minority, and hence must be subjected
to the same regulations as every foreign tongue which does not represent a
vernacular in the regions of Soviet Russia." The Commissariat of Education has,
therefore forbidden the teaching of Hebrew in schools of the "first category"
and restricted it in schools of the "second category." The Soviet Commissaries
display especial hostility against the Zionist movement, which is denounced as
"counter-revolutionary" and as "an instrument of Entente Imperialism."

[IPM: I attribute this mostly one set of Jews trying to eliminate their Jewish
competition.]


Zionist societies have been dissolved in several cities (Petrograd, Kieff,
etc.), Zionist meetings are forbidden and Zionist funds have been confiscated.
According to the most recent information, the house of a prominent Zionist in
Petrograd, M. Tchirikover, was searched by the Bolshevists, who seized 30,000
roubles belonging to the Zionist Committee, the Zionist Chronica is shut down,
and M. Gepstein, a Petrograd member of the Central Committee of Russian
Zionists, and M. Stemadski, an active Moscow Zionist, are interned.

[IPM: What all this actually shows is just how much subversive activity Jews
were really involved in. If we take away the Zionists and Marxists there’s not
many Jews left.]




Finally, there are the massacres of Jews by Bolshevists that have taken place
on various occasions and in different towns during the last eighteen months.
The Red Army carried out regular pogroms in the summer of 1918 at
Novgorod-Seversk (where sixty-five Jews were killed and 120 wounded by the
Sumski Regiment), Seredina, Orscha and Gluchow. In all these places the
synagogues were desecrated and defiled; at Novgorod-Seversk the Rabbi was
actually hanged in the synagogue; and at Gorodok (Vitebsk) and other places the
synagogues were turned into stables for soldiers' horses. In March of this year
there were further pogroms in Soviet Russia, e.g., at Borissov (Minsk), Homel,
Wassilewitschi (ten Jews killed), and Golynki (Mohilev, fourteen Jews killed).

[IPM: Even if true, these numbers are small potatoes compared to the massacres
of gentiles that went on for years. Besides, the writer gives us no background
information on these Jews. So we can only assume and guess the actual reasons
for these killings.]



The anti-Semitism of the Red Army is notorious when detachments were sent to
suppress pogroms organised by
armed peasants, they expressed resentment at being "misused" for this purpose,
and in several cases actually participated in the outrages.

[IPM: While its true that anti-Semitism was strong in Russia, the fact remains
that many conspicuous Jews were among the various Marxist factions. The author
admits that the Mensheviks were predominantly led by Jews and mentions many
other leaders as Jews. If anti-Semitism had been such a force within the
Russian Marxists so many Jews wouldn’t have been in positions of
responsibility. Most anti-Jewish Russians were allied with Col. Kolchak’s
counterrevolutionary White army, which fought the Bolsheviks for years before
being finally defeated.]




It is true that some of the ringleaders were shot by the authorities, but this
does not minimise the loss sustained by the Jews or the gravity of the peril to
which they were exposed on the part of the troops indoctrinated with
Bolshevism. If only those bloodstained guardians of the Communist Paradise knew
that their Jewish victims were represented in Western Europe as its pillars and
paladins what sardonic laughter would be theirs ! But, despite the sacrifices
made by Jewish communities to Bolshevist fury, they had to pay a fresh toll to
anti-Bolshevist vengeance. For Denikin's Volunteer Army has recently
perpetrated pogroms at Eksterinoslav, Mikhailovka, Fastov, Krementchug and
Kieff, which were marked by unbridled butchery, bestiality, and wholesale
plunder. Thus have the Jews in Russia become the helpless victims of the
wickedness of a baseless lie.


[This Jewish Chronicle article is little more than hack propaganda and consists
almost exclusively of heresay and rumor. None of the important claims made by
this author can be verified and he provides no notes, bibliography and gives no
verifiable sources to support any of his claims. About the best we get is an
occasional vague reference to a “letter” or “memorandum.” This article is a
joke and convincingly refutes not one documented fact concerning the Jewish
dominance of the Marxist takeover of Russia in 1917.]




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jottopohl@my-deja.com wrote:

> .
> >
> > With the exception of Bela Kun, leader of a short-lived communist
> republic
> > in turbulant Hungary right after WW I, not a single leader of a
> communst
> > state in Europe or anywhere else has been a Jew. With the exception
> of two
> > or three men of Jewish background such as the Soviet foreign minister
> and,
> > later, ambassador to the USA during the first years of WW II, Maxim
> > Litvinov, not a single minister in a Soviet governemnt has been a
> Jew. It's
> > been Russians and Russified Ukrainians, with a sprinkling of
> Armenians,
> > Georgians, and Latvianbs, all the way. The same holds true, mutatis
> > mutandis, for *all* of the other communist governments in Europe.
> Everyone
> > from Yuri Andropov to Enver Hoxha to Todor Zhivkov was of gentile
> > background. If the Jews were so much involved in promoting communism,
> how
> > come they couldn't even get a token one per cent of the top jobs in a
> > communist government?
> >
>
> Mr. Holman, there were more Jewish ministers in the Soviet government
> than just Litvinov. Genrikh Yagoda was NKVD chief from 34 to 36 and
> Lazar and his brother Mikhail Kaganovich both held ministry level
> positions under Stalin. In fact Lazar Kaganovich was a member of
> Stalin's politburo throughout his entire reign. Also Bela Kun was not
> the only Jewish Communist head of state in Hungary. Rakosi was also of
> Jewish descent. I do not know why you wish to deny the ethnic identity
> of Kaganovich and Yagoda, but both were Jews in the highest ranks of
> Stalin's regime.

Agreed. Holman is a liar.

JEWS AND THEIR DISPROPORTIONATE INVOLVEMENT IN COMMUNISM (Rev. 1.8)
Ian McKinney

One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the majority of the Bolshevik
leadership and were found in very disproportionate numbers in other Marxist
regimes across eastern Europe. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone who brings up these facts as an
"anti-Semite" or "hatemonger", it remains undeniable that communism was
both a Jewish inspired and lead revolutionary movement.

First, it is a fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a Jew
because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was descended from
rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289). Whether he was a
"religous" Jew is of no significant importance in this discussion, since
Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. The Jews
themselves argue almost constantly over what makes one a Jew. Nonetheless,
a great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists
or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. Regardless of
interpretations, Marx was from an undeniably Jewish family and his children
"retained or regained a sense of Jewish identity" according to Benjamin
Ginsberg in "The Fatal Embarce - Jews and the State", in which he then goes
on to conclude: "Marx took little pride in his Jewishness. He must be
considered a prime candidate for that problematic category with Lasalle and
Heine, of the self-hating Jew." Marx was of indisputable Jewish ancestry,
perhaps "self-hating" Jew, but a Jew nonetheless.


GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CONFIRM IT

While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede
that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any otherwise
significant Jewish involvement, let's see the them deny the
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which clearly
identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following quotes are taken
directly from documents available from the U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5,
1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each
town consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United
States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning
guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on
the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians,
AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from
the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading
Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was
married to the suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered
by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have
been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) leader of the Russian
Revolution, was architect of the Red Army, and commissar of foreign affairs
between 1917-1924. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -
head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the
Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading
revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included street
agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs
commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov
Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky head of the Commisary for the Constituent
Assembly.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the Mensheviks,
the percentage of Jews was even grater. It was led by Theodore Dan, Julius
Martov (Zederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the Jewish Bund)- all
Jews. Likewise, the two other principle Marxist factions in conflict with
the Bolsheviks and who often sided with the Mensheviks, were Rosa
Luxembrg's Polish Social Democrats (Luxemberg, a Jew, was one of the top
Marxist agitators later who worked with another Marxist Jew, Karl
Liebnecht, in revolutionary activities in Germany until 1919, when both
were assassinated by German Freikorps militiamen.) and the revolutionary
Jewish Bund.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none
other than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely
circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following
persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and married to a suspected Jewess),
Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and
Lunacharsky (gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January
1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are
Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or
any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a
worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: "Unless
Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one
form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and
worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy
for their own ends the existing order of things."

Now, as in just about any kind of suppressed history, occasionally the
truth leaks out. So far the Jews in the Establishment media mainly, have
been pretty successful at preventing widespread knowledge of their
involvement in Marxism. Nonetheless, every now and then a book unavoidably
does get published that discloses things the Jews would rather remain
hidden from public view. For example, in the Sunday Telegraph (London,
England: Nov. 18, 1990) the question was asked, "Why then has it (Winter in
Moscow) never been republished? The answer may lie in Muggeridge's handling
of what was then called the 'Jewish question.'...Winter in Moscow is
acutely concerned with Jews...It was of course the case that a very
disproportionate number of the early Bolsheviks were Jews and thus of
commissars and apparatchiki..."


EYEWITNESSES CONFIRM IT

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three full paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United
States Senate, 65th Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side of
New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor in
Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that there was
somebody who could speak English, and their broken English showed that they
had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these men called on me and
were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in this thing right from
the beginning, and it soon became evident that more than half the agitators
in the socalled Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm conviction
that this thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east
side of New York...The latest startling information, given me by someone
with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the
section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known as
Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real
Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls
himself Professor Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution
of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on the benches
and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often remarked to
my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.'
Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a
restriction against having Jews in Petrograd, but after the revolution they
swarmed in there and most of the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that was
to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not
take kindly to it."

Even as recently as 1965, a study by the US Senate Judiciary Committee of
anti-Jewish policies of the Soviet government at that time entitled "The
Soviet Empire, A Study of Discrimination and Abuse of Power" revealed that
before WW2 a whopping 41.1% of the members of the entire Supreme Soviet had
been Jews despite being a mere 2% of the population.


TOP JEWISH BANKER FINANCED THEM

Not only were Jews represented in amazing numbers among the Marxist
revolutionaries, but the most wealthy Jewish bankers gave loans and other
financing. In the New York Journal-American of Feburary 3, 1949 society
columnist Cholly Knickerbocker revealed that Jacob Schiff's grandson, a
prominent member of New York society at that time, revealed that his
grandfather firm Kuhn, Loeb "sank" $20 million dollars into the "final
triumph of Bolshevism in Russia." Schiff's early and generous financial aid
to the Bolsheviks is also confirmed in the Jewish Communal Register of New
York City for 1917-1918.


THE JEWS CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES

Some opponents might automatically assume that the preceding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and therefore unconvincing, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new
order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,
thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by
Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an physical
forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American Hebrew,
September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many
Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of
the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919)

"You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are
intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have been at the bottom
not merely of the latest great war but of all your wars, not only of the
Russian but of every other major revolution in your history." (Marcus Eli
Ravage, Century Magazine, January-February 1928).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
population." (Stuart Kahan (grandson of Lazar Kagaonvich), The Wolf of the
Kremlin, p. 81)

"We [Jews] have erred, my friend, we have most grievously erred.... We who
have posed as the saviours of the world, we who have boasted of having
given it the Saviour, we are today nothing else but the world's seducers,
its destroyers, its incendiaries, its executioners..." (Dr. Oscar Levy,
preface to the book The World Significance of the Russian Revolution by
Professor George Pitts-Rivers of Oxford University)

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and
Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large scale,
and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article on
"Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

ANTI-SEMITISM MADE A CAPITAL OFFENSE

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called
"anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism, as an extreme
form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

JEWISH-LED SECRET POLICE MURDER MILLIONS

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one operation alone, they deliberately starved to death 8 to
15 million Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most
vile campaigns in history orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law and the
most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course, Kaganovich
certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine Jews made up
nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce
Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. Veteran Chicago Tribune
Baltic correspondant, Donald Day, exposed yet another Jew: "Artemic
Bagratovich Khalatov (Jewish) headed that branch of the Cheka which
organized the food supply of the Soviets. He organized the punitive
expeditions of the Cheka which confiscated the grain and foodstuffs from
the peasants. A policy whose direct result was the great famine of
1920-21."

The prominance of Jews in Soviet secret police agencies was not isolated to
the Unkraine, Benjamin Ginsberg discusses this in his 1994 book "The Fatal
Embrace - Jews and the State": "During the 1920s and 1930s, Jews were a
major element in the secret police and other Soviet security forces.
Genrikh Yagoda, for instance, served as chief of the secret police during
the 1930s. Yagoda had been a pharmacist before the Revolution and
specialized in preparing poisons for his agents to use in liquidating
Stalin's opponents.

Ginsberg continues in the next paragraph by describing how Jews greatly
expanded and organized the murderous Soviet Gulag prison system: "Other
high-ranking Jewish secret policemen included Matvei Berman and Naftali
Frenkel who helped to expand and institutionalize the slave labor system.
Slave laborers working under Frenkel's supervision built the White-Sea
Baltic Canal in 1932. As many as 200,000 workers perished while completing
this project. Another Jewish security officer, K. V. Pauker, served as
chief of operations of the secret police in the 1930s. Lev lnzhir was chief
accountant for the Gulag. M. T. Gay headed the special secret police
department that conducted the purges of the 1930s. In what came to be
called the "Great Terror," he supervised the mass arrests, trials, and
executions of Stalin's opponents. Two other Jewish secret policemen, A. A.
Slutsky and Boris Berman, were in charge of Soviet terror and espionage
abroad during the 1930s. Jews were also important in the Red Army. In
addition to Trotsky, prominent Jewish generals included Yona Yakir, who was
a member of the Communist party central committee; Dmitri Schmidt, a civil
war hero and commander of the Kiev area; and Yakob Kreiser, a hero of the
defense of Moscow during the Second World War."

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 80 million persons were
murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly
at the hands of Jews at the order of Jewish Communist secret police bosses
using execution, starvation, assassination, and the Gulag slave labor
prisons.

JOSEPH STALIN'S JEWISH CONNECTIONS

Although there's occasional claims that Stalin himself was of Jewish
ancestry, I have found no evidence so far to support that, however, there's
no doubt that Stalin had many Jewish connections through marriage. Most
notably Stalin's third wife was Rosa Kaganovich, was a sister of his right
hand man, Lazar Kaganovich, mentioned in the preceding paragraph. Also
Stalin's daughter, Svetlana, married Mihail Kaganovich, son of Lazar in
1951. Stalin's son, Vassili, married Svetlana Molotov, the half-Jewish
daughter of then vice-premier Molotov, whose wife was a sister to Jewish
businessman Sam Karp of the Karp Export-Import Co. of Bridgeport, Conn.
(The preceding information was drawn from a July 15, 1951 Associated Press
article "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed" and a July 14, 1941 Life magazine
article highlighting the Kaganovich family.)


OTHER JEWISH-MARXIST REGIMES

GERMANY(BAVARIA)

In the aftermath of WW1, Communists staged an ultimately unsucessful
takeover of Germany, which only succeded in gaining control of Bavaria for
a short time. From "The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State": "Among the
most vehement opponents of the Socialist provisional government was the
German Communist party, whose leadership also included a number of Jews. In
1919, under the direction of party chief Paul Levi, the KPD staged a revolt
against the Socialist provisional government. One of the most prominent
leaders of this revolt was Rosa Luxemburg, who was later captured and
murdered by rightist paramilitary forces. Jews were also among the leaders
of the Communist government that the KPD briefly established in Bavaria
after the murder of Kurt Eisner. Eugene Levine was head of the short-lived
Bavarian Soviet Republic, Gustav Landauer was its commissar for propaganda
and cultural affairs, and Ernst Toller commanded its "red army." This
regime was crushed in May 1919 by free corps forces."

Of Kurt Eisner, John Toland comments in his book, "Adolf Hitler": "In
Munich another insurrection broke out on November 7. It was led by Kurt
Eisner, a small elderly Jew wearing a black floppy hat which, large as it
was, couldn't contain a shock of wild hair. Especially untidy, he was a
living cartoon of the bomb-throwing Red."

HUNGARY

Jewish preponderance was evident outside of Russia and first became obvious
during the short-lived Marxist takeover of Hungary in the spring of 1919
led by the Jew, Bela Kuhn (Cohen) and a group of mostly Jewish
revolutionaries. The political murders, suppression and communizing of the
country's industrial and agricultural resources, which produced a famine in
the cities, combined with the peasantry's antipathy for the Jews, resulted
in Kuhn's eventual overthrow after only three months.  In an amazingly
frank report, the "New International Year Book of 1919 (Dodd, Mead, Co.,
page 587) has summarized the situation: "One of the chief weaknesses in the
new regime was antipathy to the Jews. In the country districts the feeling
was widespread that the revolution had been a movement on the part of the
Jews to seize the power for themselves, and the remark was frequently heard
that if the Jews of Budapest died of starvation, so much the better for the
rest of the country. The government of Bela Kun was composed almost
exclusively of Jews who held also the administrative offices."

Bela Kuhn was deposed and interned in a lunatic asylum. Eventually he was
released and returned to Russia where he assumed control of the Cheka
secret police in southern Russia.

In 1945, with then end of the war Hungary fell under the control of the
USSR, Matyas Rakosi, another Jew, was installed as supreme dictator with
two other Jews, Erno Gero and Zoltan Vas in the number two and three
positions. This is confirmed by John Gunther in his book "Behind the Iron
Cutain." Rakosi was an intimate of Stalin, knew Lenin, and was a commissar
under Bela Kuhn.

According to Benjamin Ginsberg, other powerful Jews in Hungary were Peter
Gabor who commanded the secret police and Joseph Revai as minister of
culture and chief party propagandist. Jews also headed the state planning
office, the ministry controlling industry and commerce, and Radio Hungary.

ROMANIA

The Jewess, Anna Pauker, became dictator of Romania from 1947 to 1952. She
also served as minister of foreign affairs in Poland and East Germany. Anna
was born in Bucharest of orthodox Jewish parents. Her father (who was a
Kosher butcher) and a brother lived in Israel. Anna  earned a living for a
time teaching Hebrew. For a period she lived in the U.S. Her husband
ultimately became identified as a "Troskyite," and was executed in one of
Stalin's purges. During the early 1950s Anna Pauker was one of the most
powerful figures in the communist world.

YUGOSLAVIA

The only non-Jewish dictator behind the Iron Curtain in the years
immediately following WW2 was Tito of Yugoslavia, a fact which probably
explains his revolt against the Kremlin.  But Tito was tutored by the Jew,
Mosa Pljade. Says John Gunther of Pijade: "He is Tito's mentor . . .
Whatever idealogical structure Tito may have, he got from this shrewd old
man."

POLAND

Poland has shared the tragic fate of Hungary. The men who dominated Poland
in the years just after WW2 were the Jews, Mine, Skryesiewski, Modielewski,
and Berman. The first three are of cabinet rank, while Jacob Berman's
official position is that of Under-Secretary of State - a minor office, Yet
it was actually Jacob Berman who was the undisputed boss of Poland. Berman,
a product of the Warsaw ghetto, had lived in Russia, and was installed as
dictator over Poland when the Russian armies took over the country. He
preferred to work behind the scenes as much as possible - a device
frequently used to hide the Jewishness of communism, Poland's Jewish
bureaucracy was perhaps the largest of any Iron Curtain country outside of
Russia proper. Although Jews comprised less than 3% of the total population
behind the Iron Curtain, they occupied virtually every position of
authority.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA

The secretary-general of the communist party in Czechoslovakia, whom John
Sunther identifies as a Jew, was Rudolph Slansky. Like the other satellite
dictators, he was placed in command when the communists took over in the
aftermath of WW2, Slansky, incidentally, was eventually purged by the
party. On page 10 of the Dec. 10th Quick magazine Stansky is identified as
the "former Red Boss" of Czechoslavakia, but he is not identified as a Jew.

John Gunther summarizes in "Behind the Iron Curtain" on the Jewish roles in
the years immediately after WW2 and through the 1950s: "Jews play a very
prominent role in several governments....The three "Muscovites" who run
Hungary are Jews, the men who dominate Poland are Jews, the secretary
general of the Communist party in Czechoslovakia is a Jew, Anna Pauker of
Rumania is a Jewess."


POST WW2 SOVIET ESPIONAGE OVERWHELMINGLY JEWISH

During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were conducted
against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the most
well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement of Jews
in communist activities against the United States.

AMERASIA CASE

In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for stealing 1700 highly
classified State Department documents. Three of the six were Jews:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist
paper, "Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.

Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.

Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.


ALGER HISS CASE

Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most influential men in the
State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a protege of Jewish Supreme
Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite Frankfurter's court appearance as
a character witness in the high profile case, Hiss was convicted of perjury
and sentenced to five years.


GERHARD EISLER CASE

Eisler, a Jew and the highest-ranking member of the communist party ever
brought to trial, was the secret boss of the communist party between 1935
and 1947. In May of 1950, while free on bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and
later became the propaganda chief of communist Eastern Germany. His sister,
Ruth, was a communist agent for a number of years.


HOLLYWOOD TEN

In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were
convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten
were Jews:

Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New Masses.

Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.

Lester Cole, a communist party member.

Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.

Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.

John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.

Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.

Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.

Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.

Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.


AMERICAN POLITBURO

The case exposed the fact that at least six of eleven members of the
National Secretariat of the American Communist Party were Jewish. Those
identified as Jews were:

Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green
(real name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving
Potash, and Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real name,
Waldron), Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.


FUCHS-GOLD SPY RING

Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was brought to America at the
personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While working on the Manhattan
Project, Fuchs had access to our innermost atomic secrets from 1942 to
1945. Based upon information obtained from Fuchs during interrogations
after his arrest, the FBI began investigations which resulted in the arrest
of nine other members of the spy ring. Of the nine, who were all convicted,
eight were Jewish:

Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950,
pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.

David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg.
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her
husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.

Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with secret
information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and synthetic
rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.

Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.

Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole the highly secret proximity
fuse and delivered it intact to the Soviets. He also aided in the theft of
many other atomic secrets. He was convicted and sentenced to death in the
famous case.

Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She was
the sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed on June
19,1953.

Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was
convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty years.

(Milton Friedman, columnist, in the California Jewish Voice, on August 18,
1950, spoke of "Headlines about Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Julius and
Ethel Rosenberg, Abraham Brothman, Miriam Maskowitz, and other Jews accused
of spying for Russia.")

It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic installation was
Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a communist agent
by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a Jew, but
married to a Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.


SECOND STRING POLITBURO

After the convictions of the first-string, "American Politburo", a
second-string was scheduled to take over the communist operations. In 1951,
the Justice Department indicted the whole group. The new group consisted of
21 members, 14 of which were Jews:

Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George
Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel,
Alexander Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine,
William Marron, Sidney Steinberg.

Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia Jones,
were negroes.


THE ROUND UP

On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists party officials on the
West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders were arrested on the East
Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government.
Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast, six were identified as Jews:

Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank
Spector, Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.

Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:

Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.


ADDITIONAL CASES AND JEWISH PERSONS

Dr. Sidney Weinbaum, Russian-born Jewish scientist at Caltech in 1950, was
indicted in Los Angeles in June of that year on eight counts of perjury and
fraud against the government in connection with loyalty procedures. Richard
B. Hood, head of the Los Angeles FBI office, was quoted as saying that
Weinbaum had been "a member of the Los Angeles Professional Unit No. 122 of
the Communist Party, under the name of Sydney Empson." (Los Angeles
Examiner, June 3, 1950, p. 3) Another Caltech scientist, Dr. Jacob W.
Dubnoff, also Jewish, was "ordered before Federal Judge James M. Carter
after refusing to answer questions before a special session of a Federal
Grand Jury."

Philip Bart, also Jewish, general manager of the Daily Worker, official
organ of the Communist Party, refused to testify about Communist
activities. He told the House Committee on Un-American Activities "it was
none of their business what his name was before he legally changed it to
Bart," according to an INS dispatch of June 21. (Such data, for some
strange reason, was kept secret in New York City, which has often, over the
years, been referred to as the Jewish Capital of America and the World)
Bart was cited on August 11, 1950, by the House for
contempt of Congress.

Judith Coplon, a convicted spy for the Communist government of Russia, had
an important position in the Department of Justice. Judith was also Jewish.

Jakob Golos, who died early in World War II, was identified by ex-Communist
Elizabeth Bentley as the head of a Communist espionage ring in which she,
George Silverman and others allegedly operated.

The once mysterious "Scientist X" was identified by the House Committee on
Un-American Activities as Dr. Joseph Weinberg, a University of Minnesota
staff member. In its report on atomic espionage issued September, 1949, the
Committee told in vivid detail how Weinberg went to the house of "Steve
Nelson," then a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party,
and volunteered to give him information on the atomic bomb, and how he
later evidently carried out his promise in a furtive meeting with a vice
consul of the Russian embassy. Weinberg was Jewish. We do not know the
racial identity of Nelson, but the House Committee revealed his real name
to be Mesarosh.

That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in the
1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth
Bentley, and Vanderbilt Fields. All three later renounced their
affiliations with the communist party and provided valuable information
that lead to investigations and convictions. Not coincidentally, all three
of these former communists were married to Jews.

CONCLUSION

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the Jewish-Communist
connection is discussed? While it is true that in the very upper and most
conspicuous leadership positions Jews were reduced gradually after WW2, the
Soviet espionage apparatus and lower levels of the bureaucracy remained
heavy with Jews until the collapse of the USSR in the late 1980s. Because
of this fact anti-Jewish feelings are high in Russia and many of the former
Soviet Bloc countries today. Many people associate Jews with the worst
abuses of the Soviet System and for good reason. The evidence is very
powerful of Jewish involvement in nearly every manifestation of Marxism for
seventy years both in the USSR and elsewhere in the West. But curiously,
unlike their "holocaust", this is one historical area where Jews are eager
to forget and hope everybody else will do likewise! After all, how does
their role in Communism play when juxtaposed with the Jew's fraudulent
propaganda image of themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and
unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's
"holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known?
Consider the facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.


There is much more available information for those interested in the whole
story, but it is hoped that this ouline will serve as a handy reference
whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged. (This
information is provided as a public service by the WESTERN IMPERATIVE
NETWORK http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/)


BIBLIOGRAPHY

The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

Associated Press, "Miss Stalin Lavishly Wed", July 15, 1951.

Frank Britton, Behind Communism.

Encyc. Britannica "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Vol. III

Donald Day, "Onward Christian Soldiers", Noontide Press, 1985

Benjamin Ginsberg, "The Fatal Embrace - Jews and the State", University of
Chicago Press, 1994.

Stuart Kahan, "The Wolf of the Kremlin"

Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919

John Gunther, "Behind the Iron Curtain", Harper Bros., 1951

Life magazine, "Kaganovich", July 14, 1941

George Pitts-Rivers, "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution",
Oxford University

John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", Anchor Books, 1992.

Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton. The Rosenberg File. Yale University Press.
New Haven and London. 1997. ISBN 0-300-07205-8

Marcus Eli Ravage, "Commissary to the Gentiles", Century Magazine,
January-February 1928

William Shirer, "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich", Cresent Books,
1994.

Joseph Stalin, "Collected Works"

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918

State Department document 861.00/2205 sent July 5, 1918

Pavel and Anatoli Sudoplatov. Special Tasks. Little, Brown and Company. New
York. 1995. ISBN 0-316-82115-2

Quick magazine, "A Czech Purge", December 1951.

Universal Jewish Encyc., Vol.VII

Maj. Robert H. Williams. Know Your Enemy.





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> >NOTE THE DATE OF THIS ARTICLE REFUTING BOLSHEVISM AS A "JEWISH PLOT"

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM REFUTED

The following article was posted to the Usenet by a Nizkorite in a pathetic
effort to counter racial activist’s exposure of the Jew’s inspiration,
leadership, and disproportionate participation in the Communist revolution that
took control of Russia and unleashed mass-murder on a scale that exceeds
anything in history. As you read this Jewish Chronicle hack piece pay attention
to the fact that outside of a few vague references to unknown documents the
Jewish author gives no documentation for any of his claims.

The rebuttal comments in brackets are mine, but realize that a point by point,
line by line rebuttal would take many hours since virtually every sentence is
either totally unsupported by evidence, a flat-out lie, or a mendacious
distortion. As time permits I will revise this rebuttal, adding evidence and
notes as my time permits. - - IPM,  10/24/99

==========================

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM

The Jewish Chronicle - December 12, 1919

The "Times" Campaign

THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIST" LIE

By ISRAEL COHEN

The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews in Russia
with the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement, and thus to
hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are based solely upon
the fact that a certain number of prominent Bolshevist Commissaries are of
Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been denied, have been built up
all sorts of fantastic accusations, such as that the Jews wish to wreak revenge
upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom, and that they aim at sweeping
away Christian civilisation so as to enthrone Judaism as the dominant faith
throughout the world. How utterly absurd these calumnies are, and how
grotesquely exaggerated are most of the stories of Jewish participation in
Bolshevism can be proved by an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable
facts and figures.

[IPM: Its hardly absurd, since in 1999 we have a long and extensive record of
disproportionate Jewish involvement in Communist activities including, but not
limited to political agitation, organizational leadership, Soviet espionage, and
armed revolutionary activity. The first three are confirmed by Jewish
psychohistorian, Stanley Roth writing in the “The Journal of Psychohistory”,
Fall 1978, who provides a useful summary of Jewish involvement with Communism
throughout the western World in "Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He
writes: "In the United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of
Jewish background during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union was
heavily Jewish and, just as importantly, the Soviet espionage apparatus in this
country ... was pretty largely of Jewish background." He continues: “In Western
Europe Jews continued to take an active radical role. In France, during the 1968
upheavals, students of Jewish background dominated Trotskyite leadership
cadres." "Jews provided the critical mass for the student left and the counter
culture in the United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies indicate
that in its initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67% Jewish." Rothman then
goes on to show how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at mid-Western campuses.
One (Gentile) SDS Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin, commented: "I am struck by
the lack of Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the massive preponderance of
New York Jews. The situation at the University of Minnesota is similar." In the
faculties too, the radical factions were "largely Jewish".

In another article in the (American Jewish Historical Quarterly, December 1976)
Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind": "The Jewish Daily Forward (a
Yiddish socialist newspaper) to a large extent surpassed the rabbis and
Orthodoxy as the educator of the Jewish community in the United States ... The
more astute and sensitive Jewish Socialists in the pre-World War I years ...
sought opportunities to demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and
interpreted it, was quite compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism
was presented to the Jewish masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus, during
a strike, the Law of Moses was cited in support of the strikers. The Socialist
Party's Rand School was lyricized by the Forward at its founding in 1906 as 'the
socialist' yeshiva ... where the rabbis and teachers of our movement were being
prepared'..

As to armed revolutionary activity, Roth exposes the fact that the violent
Weather Underground was heavily Jewish: and he quotes from an interview with a
Jewish ex-Weatherman who recalls the motivations of himself and his peers in the
1960s: "A lot of the Weatherman leadership was Jewish and had never been tough
street kids, and I really believe that a tremendous amount of what they were
doing was overcoming their own fears about their masculinity ... Most of them
... had been intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they were trying to
be tough street kids ... I think there was a lot of self-hate going on."]

]


"JEWS" SAID TO BE BOLSHEVISTS

It is impossible to state the exact number or even proportion of Bolshevist
Commmissaries who are of Jewish origin, for the simple reason that the Soviet
Government has not carried out a religious or race census of its civil servants.
If such a census were carried out it would doubtless show that pure Russians,
Poles, and Letts predominate considerably over the Jews. All the statements made
that the latter form the majority of the Commissaries are at best the sheerest
conjecture.

[IPM: This is absolute nonsense. Any astute person can determine with a fair
degree of accuracy whether someone is a Jew. Its no different than today when
just about any political analyst knows, for example, that Bill Clinton has a
tremendous number of Jews in his administration. These people don’t wear yellow
stars or a sign on their back that says: “I’m a Jew”, but the information gets
around anyway. I mean some of the Jews in Russia even tried to mascarade by
changing their obviously Jewish name to something that sounded Russian. For
example, Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon)  who was both the Bolshevik party's executive
secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the
Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) who headed the Communist
International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in
foreign countries. Press commissar Karl Radek  (Sobelsohn), and foreign affairs
commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach). I expect only a nincompoop would have been
fooled into thinking these people were real Russians.]


Not
one such statement has been substantiated by names or by unimpeachable
statistics. Prominent Commissaries are designated as Jews, and if no denial is
published, the label - and the libel - stick. Of the list of twenty-eight
"conspicuous Bolshevists" given in a recent issue of The Times, by a
correspondent who signed himself "Janus", as "either full-blooded Jews or of
Jewish extraction," at least ten were either non-Jews, or anti-Bolshevists, or
dead Bolshevists, and I have obtained information that another two, Parvus and
Bakowski, must also be eliminated. For Parvus, although he was associated with a
Bolshevist paper in Stockholm, subventioned by the German Imperial Government
for the purpose of creating chaos in Russia, is not a Bolshevist himself, has
not been in Russia for the last few years, and is living quietly in Switzerland.

{IPM: Ok , he’s was no longer a Bolshevik, but he was still a communist.]


As for Rakowski, I have received a letter from a British military officer in
Paris who spent a couple of year of the war in South Russia and neighbouring
territories, stating that Rakowski on several occasions stood as Socialist
candidate for Galatz; and it is notorious that Jews, at any rate hitherto,
cannot be admitted to the Rumanian Parliament.

[IPM: Virtually none of this can be verified, This author provides no
bibliography or gives no sources to support any of his claims, but even if the
preceding claim is true that’s only one out of many.]



But be the number of Bolshevist Commissaries of Jewish birth whatever it may,
that affords no proof that the majority of the Jews in Soviet Russia approve of
Bolshevist doctrines, still less that they condone Bolshevist iniquities. If
Trotzky or any of his comrades of Jewish origin were the elected or recognised
representatives of Russian Jewry, or even of a single Jewish community or party,
one might conclude that their policy and principles were sanctioned by the Jews
in general. But neither Trotzky nor any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood
represents or has ever represented the Jewish people, or is connected with the
Jewish community or any Jewish party, or has ever taken any active part in
Jewish public life. Nor does Trotzky or any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood
represent specifically Jewish ideals, advocate specifically Jewish aspirations,
or share specifically Jewish sympathies. On the contrary, these men are, as a
matter of fact, divorced from the Jewish community, completely estranged from
Jewish teachings and traditions, and have shown themselves in many things
actually hostile to Jews. When Trotzky first became prominent as a Bolshevist
leader he was appealed to by a deputation of the Council of the Petrograd Jewish
Community to sever his connection with the movement, as they feared that it
would lead to the shedding of innocent Jewish blood; but he remained adamant to
their entreaties, denying that he was a Jew and refusing to recognise Jews as
such. And when he was appealed to later to save a Jewish community from a
pogrom, he replied that he recognised no difference of religion or nationality.
But although Trotzky is one of the most prominent Bolshevists, he was not the
creator of the system. The doctrine was hatched in the pure Slavic brain of
Lenin, and Trotzky is a comparatively recent disciple.

[IPM: We now know based on information from the recently opened Soviet archives
that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. Hardly a “pure Slavic brain.”]


Even The Times (in its issue of December 5th last) states: "Trotzky, the vulgar
Thersites of Brest-Litovsk, was a late arrival, who turned Bolshevist only
because the political quarantine to which he had been subjected by the British
authorities at Halifax prevented him from sailing in time to assume the
leadership of the Menshevists after the revolution." So, the British authorities
are apparently responsible for Trotzky having turned Bolshevist ! How repugnant
Lenin's doctrine is to the Jewish mind is proved by the fact that among the host
of well-known Jewish writers in Russia not a single one was forthcoming to
propagate its virtues, and the Commissary for Education, whose particular
function is to distil and disseminate the principles of the communist creed, is
a pure Russian - Lunacharsky.

[IPM: Notice the sleight of hand used in this article. The author concentrates
on Bolsheviks only, as if the Mensheviks were something other than revolutionary
Marxists.]




SOME ANTI-BOLSHEVIST FACTS

Such statistics as are available show that only a small percentage of the Jews
are followers of Lenin. In the autumn of 1917 the Bolshevists published a
statistical analysis of the constituents of the Soviets, showing that the
Bolshevists were more largely composed of pure Russian elements than the
Menshevists, who are anti-Bolshevists.

[IPM: Anti-Bolshevik, but still Marxists]


In December, 1918, the Jews formed only 2.6 per cent of the 121,071 organised
Bolshevists in Petrograd. On the other hand, in the Jewish Pale of Settlement,
there were 18,000 organised Menshevists, but there were no organised Bolshevists
worth speaking of. Moreover, whenever there has been any election during the
last two years in the Jewish communities in Russia, there have been all sorts of
parties, but never a Bolshevist party.

[IPM: Still Menshevik = Marxist]


 In February, 1918, there were elections in thirty-two large communities, and of
the 1,034 representatives belonging to ten different parties, there were 438
Zionists, 139 Orthodox, and 124 Bundists, but not a single Bolshevist.

[IPM: Curiously, the author leaves out one important detail about the “Bundists”
as indicated by the following statement:  “Perhaps these reforms are the cause
of the present tranquillity, because the revolutionary leaders nearly all belong
to the Jewish race and the most effective revolutionary agency is the JEWISH
BUND.” (From a speech given to the National Geographic Society, Washington, DC,
on December 14, 1906, by William Elroy Curtis and published in National
Geographic Magazine for May, 1907 (pp. 313-314)). The revolutionary nature of
the Jewish Bund is also confirmed here: “In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union
of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary
activity upon a large scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the
(Communist) Party (Article on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
III, pp 824-827). It is apparent here, and verified through other sources also,
that the Jewish Bund was just another a Marxist/Communist organization.


Interestingly, the B’na B’rith published a brochure entitled “Answer Anti-Jewish
Propaganda With Statistics” which deceptively claims that “The great part of
Russian Jewish population belonged to the Menshevik party.” The fact to remember
is that Menshevik = Communist. The Mensheviks and Bolsheviks were merely
competing factions within the Russian Marxist movement, and when the Bolsheviks
gained the upper hand the Mensheviks merely switched hats of affiliation to
become Bolsheviks.

As to the Zionists mentioned, they are nothing more than Jewish nationalists.
Hardly a group loyal or patriotic to Russia.]


 Again, there was a conference of Jewish communities in Moscow at the beginning
of July, 1918, and of the 133 delegates representing thirty-nine communities,
there were fifty-three Zionists, twenty Orthodox, and fifteen Bundists, but not
a single Bolshevist. The reason for the unpopularity of Bolshevism among the
Jews is due not only to its politics, but also to its predatory economics. For
the establishment of the communist regime was aimed essentially at the
propertied classes, the bourgeoisie; it struck principally at the existence of
the merchants, the manufacturers, and the members of the liberal professions,
who were most largely recruited from the Jewish
community. How often were we told before the war that the Jews in Russia were
only pedlars, middlemen, and usurers ? How often were we told during the war
that the Jews were the profiteers ? Is it then likely that they would favour a
system that would blight their economic existence ? Is it they who would set up
a dictatorship of the proletariat ?

So far from the Jews having thrown in their lot with Lenin, they are among his
most determined opponents. As the Council of the Jewish Community of Archangel
pointed out in December, 1918, in a memorandum to the Provisional Government of
North Russia, "if there are Jews who are leaders of the Bolshevists, there are
similarly Jews in the forefront ranks of the fight against Bolshevism." The
leader of the Russian Menshevists is a Jewish Socialist, Paul Axelrod; and Dan
and Martoff, sometimes wrongly dubbed Bolshevists, are also Menshevists.
Further, the Jewish middle and upper classes belong mainly to the Liberal party
of the Cadets, whose leader, the eminent Jewish lawyer, M. Vinaver, was
compelled to flee for his life. Another acknowledged and esteemed leader of
Russian Jewry, Baron de Gunzburg, was also forced to flee abroad, and the
well-known advocate, Bramson, has tasted bitterly of Soviet oppression. But,
what is more significant still, the Commissary Uritzky was killed by the Jew
Kannegiesser, and the only attempt upon the life of Lenin was made by a Jewish
girl, Dora Kaplan.

[IPM: It is never the case that ALL Jews agree with each other. And, there’s
nothing rare about Jews killing other Jews over political differences. For
example, we had Israeli Prime Minister Rabin assassinated by a conservative Jew
in Israel two years ago. Even in my personal experience with Jews, I’ve met
right-wing Zionist Jews who absolutely hated leftist Jews.]



THE JEWISH FATE

But if there is anything that should demonstrate how groundless and grotesque is
the lie that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, it is the record of the
persecution of the Jewish communities by the Soviet Commissaries and of the
pogroms by the Bolshevist soldiery and mob. Local Commissaries have carried on a
bitter and relentless campaign against the organised religious communities.

[IPM: A campaign aimed mostly at Christians.]


In many towns, such as Saratoff and Kursk, the Jewish communal organisation has
been suppressed, and communal buildings (schools, libraries, etc.) have been
closed or requisitioned. The Hebrew language has been stigmatised as
"counter-revolutionary," and Hebrew newspapers have been proscribed. A decision
of the Commissariat of Education, passed on July 11, 1919, states that "the
language Ibrith does not form the vernacular of the Jewish masses, for which
reason this language cannot be regarded as a language of a national minority,
and hence must be subjected to the same regulations as every foreign tongue
which does not represent a vernacular in the regions of Soviet Russia." The
Commissariat of Education has, therefore forbidden the teaching of Hebrew in
schools of the "first category" and restricted it in schools of the "second
category." The Soviet Commissaries display especial hostility against the
Zionist movement, which is denounced as "counter-revolutionary" and as "an
instrument of Entente Imperialism."

[IPM: I attribute this mostly one set of Jews trying to eliminate their Jewish
competition.]


Zionist societies have been dissolved in several cities (Petrograd, Kieff,
etc.), Zionist meetings are forbidden and Zionist funds have been confiscated.
According to the most recent information, the house of a prominent Zionist in
Petrograd, M. Tchirikover, was searched by the Bolshevists, who seized 30,000
roubles belonging to the Zionist Committee, the Zionist Chronica is shut down,
and M. Gepstein, a Petrograd member of the Central Committee of Russian
Zionists, and M. Stemadski, an active Moscow Zionist, are interned.

[IPM: What all this actually shows is just how much subversive activity Jews
were really involved in. If we take away the Zionists and Marxists there’s not
many Jews left.]




Finally, there are the massacres of Jews by Bolshevists that have taken place on
various occasions and in different towns during the last eighteen months. The
Red Army carried out regular pogroms in the summer of 1918 at Novgorod-Seversk
(where sixty-five Jews were killed and 120 wounded by the Sumski Regiment),
Seredina, Orscha and Gluchow. In all these places the synagogues were desecrated
and defiled; at Novgorod-Seversk the Rabbi was actually hanged in the synagogue;
and at Gorodok (Vitebsk) and other places the synagogues were turned into
stables for soldiers' horses. In March of this year there were further pogroms
in Soviet Russia, e.g., at Borissov (Minsk), Homel, Wassilewitschi (ten Jews
killed), and Golynki (Mohilev, fourteen Jews killed).

[IPM: Even if true, these numbers are small potatoes compared to the massacres
of gentiles that went on for years. Besides, the writer gives us no background
information on these Jews. So we can only assume and guess the actual reasons
for these killings.]



The anti-Semitism of the Red Army is notorious when detachments were sent to
suppress pogroms organised by
armed peasants, they expressed resentment at being "misused" for this purpose,
and in several cases actually participated in the outrages.

[IPM: While its true that anti-Semitism was strong in Russia, the fact remains
that many conspicuous Jews were among the various Marxist factions. The author
admits that the Mensheviks were predominantly led by Jews and mentions many
other leaders as Jews. If anti-Semitism had been such a force within the Russian
Marxists so many Jews wouldn’t have been in positions of responsibility. Most
anti-Jewish Russians were allied with Col. Kolchak’s counterrevolutionary White
army, which fought the Bolsheviks for years before being finally defeated.]




It is true that some of the ringleaders were shot by the authorities, but this
does not minimise the loss sustained by the Jews or the gravity of the peril to
which they were exposed on the part of the troops indoctrinated with Bolshevism.
If only those bloodstained guardians of the Communist Paradise knew that their
Jewish victims were represented in Western Europe as its pillars and paladins
what sardonic laughter would be theirs ! But, despite the sacrifices made by
Jewish communities to Bolshevist fury, they had to pay a fresh toll to
anti-Bolshevist vengeance. For Denikin's Volunteer Army has recently perpetrated
pogroms at Eksterinoslav, Mikhailovka, Fastov, Krementchug and Kieff, which were
marked by unbridled butchery, bestiality, and wholesale plunder. Thus have the
Jews in Russia become the helpless victims of the wickedness of a baseless lie.


[This Jewish Chronicle article is little more than hack propaganda and consists
almost exclusively of heresay and rumor. None of the important claims made by
this author can be verified and he provides no notes, bibliography and gives no
verifiable sources to support any of his claims. About the best we get is an
occasional vague reference to a “letter” or “memorandum.” This article is a joke
and convincingly refutes not one documented fact concerning the Jewish dominance
of the Marxist takeover of Russia in 1917.]




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Tim Stevens wrote:

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM REFUTED

The following article was posted to the Usenet by a Nizkorite in a pathetic
effort to counter racial activist’s exposure of the Jew’s inspiration,
leadership, and disproportionate participation in the Communist revolution that
took control of Russia and unleashed mass-murder on a scale that exceeds
anything in history. As you read this Jewish Chronicle hack piece pay attention
to the fact that outside of a few vague references to unknown documents the
Jewish author gives no documentation for any of his claims.

The rebuttal comments in brackets are mine, but realize that a point by point,
line by line rebuttal would take many hours since virtually every sentence is
either totally unsupported by evidence, a flat-out lie, or a mendacious
distortion. As time permits I will revise this rebuttal, adding evidence and
notes as my time permits. - - IPM,  10/24/99

==========================

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM

The Jewish Chronicle - December 12, 1919

The "Times" Campaign

THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIST" LIE

By ISRAEL COHEN

The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews in Russia
with the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement, and thus to
hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are
based solely upon the fact that a certain number of prominent Bolshevist
Commissaries are of Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been denied,
have been built up all sorts of fantastic accusations, such as that the Jews
wish to wreak revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom, and that
they aim at sweeping away Christian civilisation so as to enthrone Judaism as
the dominant faith throughout the world. How utterly absurd these calumnies are,
and how grotesquely exaggerated are most of the stories of Jewish participation
in Bolshevism can be proved by an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable
facts and figures.

[IPM: Its hardly absurd, since in 1999 we have a long and extensive record of
disproportionate Jewish involvement in Communist activities including, but not
limited to political agitation, organizational leadership, Soviet espionage, and
armed revolutionary activity. The first three are confirmed by Jewish
psychohistorian, Stanley Roth writing in the “The Journal of Psychohistory”,
Fall 1978, who provides a useful summary of Jewish involvement with Communism
throughout the western World in "Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He
writes: "In the United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of
Jewish background during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union was
heavily Jewish and, just as importantly, the Soviet espionage apparatus in this
country ... was pretty largely of Jewish background." He continues: “In Western
Europe Jews continued to take an active radical role. In France, during the 1968
upheavals, students of Jewish background dominated Trotskyite leadership
cadres." "Jews provided the critical mass for the student left and the counter
culture in the United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies indicate
that in its initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67% Jewish." Rothman then
goes on to show how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at mid-Western campuses.
One (Gentile) SDS Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin, commented: "I am struck by
the lack of Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the massive preponderance of
New York Jews. The situation at the University of Minnesota is similar." In the
faculties too, the radical factions were "largely Jewish".

In another article in the (American Jewish Historical Quarterly, December 1976)
Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind": "The Jewish Daily Forward (a
Yiddish socialist newspaper) to a large extent surpassed the rabbis and
Orthodoxy as the educator of the Jewish community in the United States ... The
more astute and sensitive Jewish Socialists in the pre-World War I years ...
sought opportunities to demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and
interpreted it, was quite compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism
was presented to the Jewish masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus, during
a strike, the Law of Moses was cited in support of the strikers. The Socialist
Party's Rand School was lyricized by the Forward at its founding in 1906 as 'the
socialist' yeshiva ... where the rabbis and teachers of our movement were being
prepared'..

As to armed revolutionary activity, Roth exposes the fact that the violent
Weather Underground was heavily Jewish: and he quotes from an interview with a
Jewish ex-Weatherman who recalls the motivations of himself and his peers in the
1960s: "A lot of the Weatherman leadership was Jewish and had never been tough
street kids, and I really believe that a tremendous amount of what they were
doing was overcoming their own fears about their masculinity ... Most of them
... had been intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they were trying to
be tough street kids ... I think there was a lot of self-hate going on."]

]


"JEWS" SAID TO BE BOLSHEVISTS

It is impossible to state the exact number or even proportion of Bolshevist
Commmissaries who are of Jewish origin, for the simple reason that the Soviet
Government has not carried out a religious or race census of its civil servants.
If such a census were carried out it would doubtless show that pure Russians,
Poles, and Letts predominate considerably over the Jews. All the statements made
that the latter form the majority of the Commissaries are at best the sheerest
conjecture.

[IPM: This is absolute nonsense. Any astute person can determine with a fair
degree of accuracy whether someone is a Jew. Its no different than today when
just about any political analyst knows, for example, that Bill Clinton has a
tremendous number of Jews in his administration. These people don’t wear yellow
stars or a sign on their back that says: “I’m a Jew”, but the information gets
around anyway. I mean some of the Jews in Russia even tried to mascarade by
changing their obviously Jewish name to something that sounded Russian. For
example, Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon)  who was both the Bolshevik party's executive
secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the
Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) who headed the Communist
International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in
foreign countries. Press commissar Karl Radek  (Sobelsohn), and foreign affairs
commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach). I expect only a nincompoop would have been
fooled into thinking these people were real Russians.]


Not
one such statement has been substantiated by names or by unimpeachable
statistics. Prominent Commissaries are designated as Jews, and if no denial is
published, the label - and the libel - stick. Of the list of twenty-eight
"conspicuous Bolshevists" given in a recent issue of The Times, by a
correspondent who signed himself "Janus", as "either full-blooded Jews or of
Jewish extraction," at least ten were either non-Jews, or anti-Bolshevists, or
dead Bolshevists, and I have obtained information that another two, Parvus and
Bakowski, must also be eliminated. For Parvus, although he was associated with a
Bolshevist paper in Stockholm, subventioned by the German Imperial Government
for the purpose of creating chaos in Russia, is not a Bolshevist himself, has
not been in Russia for the last few years, and is living quietly in Switzerland.

{IPM: Ok , he’s was no longer a Bolshevik, but he was still a communist.]


As for Rakowski, I have received a letter from a British military officer in
Paris who spent a couple of year of the war in South Russia and neighbouring
territories, stating that Rakowski on several occasions stood as Socialist
candidate for Galatz; and it is notorious that Jews, at any rate hitherto,
cannot be admitted to the Rumanian Parliament.

[IPM: Virtually none of this can be verified, This author provides no
bibliography or gives no sources to support any of his claims, but even if the
preceding claim is true that’s only one out of many.]



But be the number of Bolshevist Commissaries of Jewish birth whatever it may,
that affords no proof that the majority of the Jews in Soviet Russia approve of
Bolshevist doctrines, still less that they condone Bolshevist
iniquities. If Trotzky or any of his comrades of Jewish origin were the elected
or recognised representatives of Russian Jewry, or even of a single Jewish
community or party, one might conclude that their policy and
principles were sanctioned by the Jews in general. But neither Trotzky nor any
other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represents or has ever represented the Jewish
people, or is connected with the Jewish community or any Jewish
party, or has ever taken any active part in Jewish public life. Nor does Trotzky
or any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represent specifically Jewish ideals,
advocate specifically Jewish aspirations, or share specifically Jewish
sympathies. On the contrary, these men are, as a matter of fact, divorced from
the Jewish community, completely estranged from Jewish teachings and traditions,
and have shown themselves in many things actually hostile to Jews. When Trotzky
first became prominent as a Bolshevist leader he was appealed to by a deputation
of the Council of the Petrograd Jewish Community to sever his connection with
the movement, as they feared that it would lead to the shedding of innocent
Jewish blood; but he remained adamant to their entreaties, denying that he was a
Jew and
refusing to recognise Jews as such. And when he was appealed to later to save a
Jewish community from a pogrom, he replied that he recognised no difference of
religion or nationality. But although Trotzky is one of the most prominent
Bolshevists, he was not the creator of the system. The doctrine was hatched in
the pure Slavic brain of Lenin, and Trotzky is a comparatively recent disciple.

[IPM: We now know based on information from the recently opened Soviet archives
that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. Hardly a “pure Slavic brain.”]


Even The Times (in its issue of December 5th last) states: "Trotzky, the vulgar
Thersites of Brest-Litovsk, was a
late arrival, who turned Bolshevist only because the political quarantine to
which he had been subjected by the British authorities at Halifax prevented him
>from sailing in time to assume the leadership of the Menshevists after the
revolution." So, the British authorities are apparently responsible for Trotzky
having turned Bolshevist ! How
repugnant Lenin's doctrine is to the Jewish mind is proved by the fact that
among the host of well-known Jewish writers in Russia not a single one was
forthcoming to propagate its virtues, and the Commissary for Education, whose
particular function is to distil and disseminate the principles of the communist
creed, is a pure Russian - Lunacharsky.

[IPM: Notice the sleight of hand used in this article. The author concentrates
on Bolsheviks only, as if the Mensheviks were something other than revolutionary
Marxists.]




SOME ANTI-BOLSHEVIST FACTS

Such statistics as are available show that only a small percentage of the Jews
are followers of Lenin. In the autumn of 1917 the Bolshevists published a
statistical analysis of the constituents of the Soviets, showing that the
Bolshevists were more largely composed of pure Russian elements than the
Menshevists, who are anti-Bolshevists.

[IPM: Anti-Bolshevik, but still Marxists]


In December, 1918, the Jews formed only 2.6 per cent of the 121,071 organised
Bolshevists in Petrograd. On the other hand, in the Jewish Pale of Settlement,
there were 18,000 organised Menshevists, but there were no organised Bolshevists
worth speaking of. Moreover, whenever there has been any election during the
last two years in the Jewish communities in Russia, there have been all sorts of
parties, but never a Bolshevist party.

[IPM: Still Menshevik = Marxist]


 In February, 1918, there were elections in thirty-two large communities, and of
the 1,034 representatives belonging to ten different parties, there were 438
Zionists, 139 Orthodox, and 124 Bundists, but not a single Bolshevist.

[IPM: Curiously, the author leaves out one important detail about the “Bundists”
as indicated by the following statement:  “Perhaps these reforms are the cause
of the present tranquillity, because the revolutionary leaders nearly all belong
to the Jewish race and the most effective revolutionary agency is the JEWISH
BUND.” (From a speech given to the National Geographic Society, Washington, DC,
on December 14, 1906, by William Elroy Curtis and published in National
Geographic Magazine for May, 1907 (pp. 313-314)). The revolutionary nature of
the Jewish Bund is also confirmed here: “In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union
of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary
activity upon a large scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the
(Communist) Party (Article on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
III, pp 824-827). It is apparent here, and verified through other sources also,
that the Jewish Bund was just another a Marxist/Communist organization.


Interestingly, the B’na B’rith published a brochure entitled “Answer Anti-Jewish
Propaganda With Statistics” which deceptively claims that “The great part of
Russian Jewish population belonged to the Menshevik party.” The fact to remember
is that Menshevik = Communist. The Mensheviks and Bolsheviks were merely
competing factions within the Russian Marxist movement, and when the Bolsheviks
gained the upper hand the Mensheviks merely switched hats of affiliation to
become Bolsheviks.

As to the Zionists mentioned, they are nothing more than Jewish nationalists.
Hardly a group loyal or patriotic to Russia.]


 Again, there was a conference of Jewish communities in Moscow at the beginning
of July, 1918, and of the 133 delegates representing thirty-nine communities,
there were fifty-three Zionists, twenty Orthodox, and fifteen Bundists, but not
a single Bolshevist. The reason for the unpopularity of Bolshevism among the
Jews is due not only
to its politics, but also to its predatory economics. For the establishment of
the communist regime was aimed essentially at the propertied classes, the
bourgeoisie; it struck principally at the existence of the merchants, the
manufacturers, and the members of the liberal professions, who were most largely
recruited from the Jewish
community. How often were we told before the war that the Jews in Russia were
only pedlars, middlemen, and usurers ? How often were we told during the war
that the Jews were the profiteers ? Is it then likely that they
would favour a system that would blight their economic existence ? Is it they
who would set up a dictatorship of the proletariat ?

So far from the Jews having thrown in their lot with Lenin, they are among his
most determined opponents. As the Council of the Jewish Community of Archangel
pointed out in December, 1918, in a memorandum to the Provisional Government of
North Russia, "if there are Jews who are leaders of the Bolshevists, there are
similarly Jews in the forefront ranks of the fight against Bolshevism." The
leader of the Russian Menshevists is a Jewish Socialist, Paul Axelrod; and Dan
and Martoff, sometimes wrongly dubbed Bolshevists, are also Menshevists.
Further, the Jewish middle and upper classes belong mainly to the Liberal party
of the Cadets, whose leader, the eminent Jewish lawyer, M. Vinaver, was
compelled to flee for his life. Another acknowledged and esteemed leader of
Russian Jewry, Baron de Gunzburg, was also forced to flee abroad, and the
well-known advocate, Bramson, has tasted bitterly of Soviet oppression. But,
what is more significant still, the Commissary Uritzky was killed by the Jew
Kannegiesser, and the only attempt upon the life of Lenin was made by a Jewish
girl, Dora Kaplan.

[IPM: It is never the case that ALL Jews agree with each other. And, there’s
nothing rare about Jews killing other Jews over political differences. For
example, we had Israeli Prime Minister Rabin assassinated by a conservative Jew
in Israel two years ago. Even in my personal experience with Jews, I’ve met
right-wing Zionist Jews who absolutely hated leftist Jews.]



THE JEWISH FATE

But if there is anything that should demonstrate how groundless and grotesque is
the lie that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, it is the record of the
persecution of the Jewish communities by the Soviet Commissaries and of the
pogroms by the Bolshevist soldiery and mob. Local Commissaries have carried on a
bitter and relentless campaign against the organised religious communities.

[IPM: A campaign aimed mostly at Christians.]


In many towns, such as Saratoff and Kursk, the Jewish communal organisation has
been suppressed, and communal
buildings (schools, libraries, etc.) have been closed or requisitioned. The
Hebrew language has been stigmatised as "counter-revolutionary," and Hebrew
newspapers have been proscribed. A decision of the Commissariat of
Education, passed on July 11, 1919, states that "the language Ibrith does not
form the vernacular of the Jewish masses, for which reason this language cannot
be regarded as a language of a national minority, and hence must be subjected to
the same regulations as every foreign tongue which does not represent a
vernacular in the regions of Soviet Russia." The Commissariat of Education has,
therefore forbidden the teaching of Hebrew in schools of the "first category"
and restricted it in schools of the "second category." The Soviet Commissaries
display especial hostility against the Zionist movement, which is denounced as
"counter-revolutionary" and as "an instrument of Entente Imperialism."

[IPM: I attribute this mostly one set of Jews trying to eliminate their Jewish
competition.]


Zionist societies have been dissolved in several cities (Petrograd, Kieff,
etc.), Zionist meetings are forbidden and Zionist funds have been confiscated.
According to the most recent information, the house of a prominent Zionist in
Petrograd, M. Tchirikover, was searched by the Bolshevists, who seized 30,000
roubles belonging to the Zionist Committee, the Zionist Chronica is shut down,
and M. Gepstein, a Petrograd member of the Central Committee of Russian
Zionists, and M. Stemadski, an active Moscow Zionist, are interned.

[IPM: What all this actually shows is just how much subversive activity Jews
were really involved in. If we take away the Zionists and Marxists there’s not
many Jews left.]




Finally, there are the massacres of Jews by Bolshevists that have taken place on
various occasions and in different towns during the last eighteen months. The
Red Army carried out regular pogroms in the summer of 1918 at
Novgorod-Seversk (where sixty-five Jews were killed and 120 wounded by the
Sumski Regiment), Seredina, Orscha and Gluchow. In all these places the
synagogues were desecrated and defiled; at Novgorod-Seversk the Rabbi was
actually hanged in the synagogue; and at Gorodok (Vitebsk) and other places the
synagogues were turned into stables for soldiers' horses. In March of this year
there were further pogroms in Soviet Russia, e.g., at Borissov (Minsk), Homel,
Wassilewitschi (ten Jews killed), and Golynki (Mohilev, fourteen Jews killed).

[IPM: Even if true, these numbers are small potatoes compared to the massacres
of gentiles that went on for years. Besides, the writer gives us no background
information on these Jews. So we can only assume and guess the actual reasons
for these killings.]



The anti-Semitism of the Red Army is notorious when detachments were sent to
suppress pogroms organised by
armed peasants, they expressed resentment at being "misused" for this purpose,
and in several cases actually participated in the outrages.

[IPM: While its true that anti-Semitism was strong in Russia, the fact remains
that many conspicuous Jews were among the various Marxist factions. The author
admits that the Mensheviks were predominantly led by Jews and mentions many
other leaders as Jews. If anti-Semitism had been such a force within the Russian
Marxists so many Jews wouldn’t have been in positions of responsibility. Most
anti-Jewish Russians were allied with Col. Kolchak’s counterrevolutionary White
army, which fought the Bolsheviks for years before being finally defeated.]




It is true that some of the ringleaders were shot by the authorities, but this
does not minimise the loss sustained by the Jews or the gravity of the peril to
which they were exposed on the part of the troops indoctrinated with Bolshevism.
If only those bloodstained guardians of the Communist Paradise knew that their
Jewish victims were represented in Western Europe as its pillars and paladins
what sardonic laughter would be theirs ! But, despite the sacrifices made by
Jewish communities to Bolshevist fury, they had to pay a fresh toll to
anti-Bolshevist vengeance. For Denikin's Volunteer Army has recently perpetrated
pogroms at Eksterinoslav, Mikhailovka, Fastov, Krementchug and Kieff, which were
marked by unbridled butchery, bestiality, and wholesale plunder. Thus have the
Jews in Russia become the helpless victims of the wickedness of a baseless lie.


[This Jewish Chronicle article is little more than hack propaganda and consists
almost exclusively of heresay and rumor. None of the important claims made by
this author can be verified and he provides no notes, bibliography and gives no
verifiable sources to support any of his claims. About the best we get is an
occasional vague reference to a “letter” or “memorandum.” This article is a joke
and convincingly refutes not one documented fact concerning the Jewish dominance
of the Marxist takeover of Russia in 1917.]


--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 10 13:51:33 EST 1999
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grandwazoo wrote:

> MW wrote:
>
> > Tim Stevens wrote in message <80apfs$sqb$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> > You repeatedly refer to one transparently self-serving essay that agrees
> > with your contention.
>
> The evidence demonstrates that individual Jews were on all sides of the
> Communist movement and Soviet revolution.

I'm not going to argue with that, because Jews were involved in all communist
parties in Russia: Mensheviks, Bolsheviks, and Jewish Bund.



> Your claim is outrageous and it is
> yours to make a case for  Jews perpetrating Communism for * for the benefit of
> Jews as a group* , which you cannot.

Why not, Jews saw communism as a way to destroy the Czarist regime that they hated.
The Czars had long been aware of the subversion and trouble Jews caused and took
appropriate action to suppress that.



> Reasonable conclusion:  Jews are individuals acting in their individual self
> interest, rather than acting as a group of international conspiracy.

I don't like the word "conspiracy" and don't use it when talking about Jews. I
prefer to describe what the Jews do as a consensus.



>  The basis
> for your belief, as your evidence is circumstantial, is rooted in fear of
> others.

Not at all. Its based on facts and observation. You can't refute the facts. Don't
blame us for using those facts to arrive at the proper conclusions just because you
don't like the conclusions.



>  Jews just provide an easy object of disdain, due to biblical misuse
> and centuries of religious abuse.  It is all a bunch of ignorant superstition
> that they are somehow more different than anyone else.  You are continuing a
> very old tradition and you will be known by your associates.

The Jews get into trouble because of what they do, not their religion. I don't care
what Jews do in their synogouges.



> Birth is just the 'luck of the draw'.

Its not luck. When a White man and a White women get together, they produce a White
baby, not a Chinese or Black one.



> Your prejudical bias toward Jews (and
> others) is based upon a cognitive illusion.  Prejudice is a dead give away to a
> persons ignorance.

Oh yes, and YOU will determine what's "prejudice." How convenient for you!


--
Regards,
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:25 EST 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Your refusal to deny having sex with taxicabs is telling, Mr. Scott.
> Why don't you simply tell us the truth, come out, and get on with your
> life?
>
> While you're at it, explain the rumours concerning your affairs with
> sheep. You have yet to deny this disgusting habit.. why is that, Mr.
> Scott?

Kenny, you must really be desparate. I know my new article on Jews and Marxism has
you Nizkorites fit to be tied, but this latest round of nonsense about taxicabs is a
new low even for you.

When confronted by the truth, we all see that you run the other way. Even the Jews
think you're a waste of time and won't give you money.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A8EC.5D7DC1FA@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
> >> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
> >> immigrants a year.
> >
> >Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is
> absolutely true
> >that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.
>
> It's absolutely true that you've failed to back up your claim with facts,
> Williworm. Which cities have been "flooded" with millions of immigrants
> per year since 1965?

Does the "G" in your name stand for Gay?


--
Regards,
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:25 EST 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <38290739.E7005069@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Are you a fudge-packer or not? Just answer the question and then I'll
> >continue the
> >immigration thing.
>
> Do you fuck sheep, Mr. Scott, or do you not? Just answer the question
> and then we'll ignore your sexual psychosis.

No. I have only had intercourse with women, White women.

Kenny, are either you or Brown queer? Now you answer a question for a
change..

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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <38290739.E7005069@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Just answer the question and then I'll continue the immigration thing.
>
> Surprise! Lying bigots don't control these groups.

Brown, why do you avoid admitting that you're a homosexual? Just answer and I'll
drop it.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3829CB06.C23EF268@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> >Brown, why do you avoid admitting that you're a homosexual? Just answer and I'll
> >drop it.
>
> Do you still beat up your wife and children, Mr. Scott?

I have never beat either of them.

Kenny, do you even have a wife and children?

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3829CA98.A6E0CBCE@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>   wrote:
>
> >Kenny, are either you or Brown queer? Now you answer a question for a
> >change..
>
> Explain why sexual preference has anything to do with these discussions,

Explain what a person's name and address has to do with these discussions.



> Mr. Scott. (I won't answer questions about sexual preference anyway,
> but I'm curious as to why you seem obsessed with the issue, much like
> your ideological bedfellow Mr. Bradbury.)

I'm not obsessed with homosexuality, but I am obsessed with exposing your
hypocrisy and double standards.


--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:27 EST 1999
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Eugene Holman wrote:

> In article <382909E7.43A1CF84@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >
> > This newsgroup is about White Nationalism. What the hell do YOU have to
> do with
> > that? Nothing, so go away.
>
> This is a pertinent remark. The history of this century shows that White
> Nationalism and homosexuality often go hand in hand.

Total nonsense. I have been a member of the National Alliance for 8 years and
have yet to hear about any members who were homosexual.  OTOH, the left is
saturated with homosexuals. All homo groups are left-wing.

White Nationalism is openly and above board totally dedicated to family. That
means one man and one woman. Not two men or two women. All White Nationalist
groups openly oppose homosexuality. I could think of a million other places
where homos would be more comfortable than White Nationalist organizations.

Personally, I know of one former lesibian who is now committed to White
Nationalism, although not a member of any organization. That's as close as I
have ever heard.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:27 EST 1999
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:

> In article <3827A8EC.5D7DC1FA@usaor.net>, Williworm Scott  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >> Mr. Scott fails to support his (rather silly, in retrospect)
> >> contention that American cities have been "flooded" with millions of
> >> immigrants a year.
> >
> >Since most immigrants are attracted to cities and urban areas, it is
> absolutely true
> >that since 1965 cities have been literally flooded with non-white immigrants.
>
> It's absolutely true that you've failed to back up your claim with facts,
> Williworm. Which cities have been "flooded" with millions of immigrants
> per year since 1965?

Brown, I told you that I refuse to participate in any more immigration discussions
with you until you tell us if you are, in fact, a homosexual. People say you are, I
thought I'd give you the chance to squash the rumors. I only seek the truth.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:28 EST 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <38290A29.6941E1E3@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >I'm only interested in the fact that the little coward won't answer.
>
> Speaking of cowards, Mr. Scott, why won't you answer our simple
> question about the night you diddled llamas, against their will?

Never happened.


> What is it with you and helpless animals, Mr. Scott? Are you and Scott
> Bradbury brothers in an animal sex cult?

Total fabrication.



> Wouldn't you feel better if you simply admitted you dug sheep?

Total fabrication.



> (Do you want to keep playing, Mr. Scott? Shall we raise the issue of
> your, er, "french" poodle?)

LOL! McVay, is this the best you can do? Its no wonder the Jews won't give
you money. You've become the laughingstock of the Usenet. You've lost even
the slight credibility you struggled to maintain. I suppose you're so far
gone that you don't even try to act legitiment since you know your days
are numbered no matter what you do. The Jews are about to pull the plug on
you and your worthless Nizkook operation and you know it.

Have you checked to see if your old gas station job is open?

ROTFLOL!

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:28 EST 1999
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" obsfucated on the homo question:

Brown, are you queer?

--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:29 EST 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3829D41C.E017381F@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william
>  wrote:
>
> >Kenny, do you even have a wife and children?
>
> Several of them.

Several wives or several children?

--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by
Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




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an00nie@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:44:06 -0500, ipm  wrote:
>
> Man...........you *do* have latent homosexual repression, don't you???

Yeah right, "An00nie."


--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:29 EST 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3829D3C7.1A3E00F2@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Explain what a person's name and address has to do with these discussions.
>
> Nothing, of course, other than to point out that a given user lacks
> the courage of their stated convictions.

Oh, is that so? Take you, for example, compared to your ostensible nemesis,
Ernst Zundel. Every ARA dopehead knows where Zundel lives. Carleton St. I
recall. Zundel's house has been firebombed, yet he still operates in the open.
Where do you live, Kenny? Nobody knows because you're a chicken. You post your
B'nai B'rith PO box as if that makes you a brave guy. By your own standards
Ernst Zundel is a better man than you. And what makes you look even worse is
that you have the whole establishment on your side yet you still whimp out.

Kenny, its no wonder the Jews won't give you money anymore. They see what a
poser you are.


--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




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noname wrote:

> ipm  wrote in article <3829D3C7.1A3E00F2@usaor.net>...
> >
> > Explain what a person's name and address has to do with these
> discussions.
> >
> You are wise not to post under your name and address. These bastards will
> call your home and neighbors, harass your wife, your children, put your
> name, phone number and address on their hate lists.

You're crazy. I have never harrassed anyone. Nor do I have any desire to do so.
If people don't bother me, I don't bother them.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <3829D7F1.89CA70DF@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> >> In article <382909E7.43A1CF84@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > This newsgroup is about White Nationalism. What the hell do YOU have to
> >> do with
> >> > that? Nothing, so go away.
> >>
> >> This is a pertinent remark. The history of this century shows that White
> >> Nationalism and homosexuality often go hand in hand.
> >
> >Total nonsense. I have been a member of the National Alliance for 8 years and
> >have yet to hear about any members who were homosexual.  OTOH, the left is
> >saturated with homosexuals. All homo groups are left-wing.
>
> Does that include gay Republicans?

There's exceptions to every rule.



> And I suppose it includes the buddy of Jerry Falwell. You know, the one
> who ghost-wrote Falwell's autoibiography.

Did he know the person was gay?


> Looks a litle deeper, Anonymous Coward, there are gays everywhere.

I don't see them in the National Alliance. For one thing, homosexuals are banned
>from being members of the NA. If it became known that a member was a homo he would
be immediately expelled.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:31 EST 1999
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Eugene Holman wrote:

> In article <3829D7F1.89CA70DF@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> > > In article <382909E7.43A1CF84@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This newsgroup is about White Nationalism. What the hell do YOU have to
> > > do with
> > > > that? Nothing, so go away.
> > >
> > > This is a pertinent remark. The history of this century shows that White
> > > Nationalism and homosexuality often go hand in hand.
> >
> > Total nonsense. I have been a member of the National Alliance for 8 years and
> > have yet to hear about any members who were homosexual.  OTOH, the left is
> > saturated with homosexuals. All homo groups are left-wing.
>
> ROTFLOL!!!! What about leather clad, phallos-worshipping, fascist-thinking
> motorcycle groups?

I know of no such groups. Most motorcycle people I've ever known tended to be
libertarians, not fascists.



> > White Nationalism is openly and above board totally dedicated to family.
>
> The Nazis were the White Nationalists supreme of this century, even if
> their understanding of White and racial purity was considerably more
> exclusivist than that of you and your buddies.

The Germans weren't White Nationalists. They were German nationalists. If they had
been racial nationalists they wouldn't have killed so many of their fellow Whites.



> Far be it from me to claim or even insinuate that you or the National
> Alliance are Nazis, even though I have visited the website and both seen
> and read symbols and material there which have an obvious affinity with
> Hitlerite National Socialism.

The NA takes some things from NS, but the NA is not some kind of blind copy. There
are many things I don't like about Hitler and German NS.



> I would like to note, though, that the Nazis were also family oriented.
> Himmler wanted every German family to have a minimum of four sons, so that
> the bloodline would be continued even if two of them were to fall in
> battle

They were in a war at the time, duh.




> Heinrich Himmler's 'Lebensborn' project ran what amounted to a
> mating service for racially impeccable women willing to bear an Aryan-pure
> super baby with the copulatory aid of specially selected SS men, all for
> the greater glory of the Reich. Nor did it prevent Nazi Germany from
> regarding the kidnapping of blond-haired, blue-eyed children from Polish
> and Czech families so that they could be placed with German families and
> raised as Germans as being a racially justified sequence of actions.

Why are you telling me this?



> These noble procreationist sentiments and modalities did not prevent
> Hitler-buddy Ernst Röhm from being a notorious homosexual, and Julius
> Streicher, with his whip from being at least "kinky" in that direction, or
> Hitler himself, a man without child or family until the last day of his
> life whose only two serious relations with women quickly resulted in their
> death, from spending most of his time surrounded by his leather-clad,
> fruity, strutting male pals.

You're spouting a crazy Jew-created image of Hitler. You watch too many movies.



> > That
> > means one man and one woman. Not two men or two women. All White Nationalist
> > groups openly oppose homosexuality. I could think of a million other places
> > where homos would be more comfortable than White Nationalist organizations.
> >
>
> So could I. That doesn't vitiate the fact that Adolf Hitler was the only
> White Nationalist to have actually succeeded in assuming political power
> and implementing a robust White Ntionalist agenda during this century.

Hitler wasn't a White Nationalist. He was a German nationalist.



> As
> the psychological study of him that I recently posted shows, many of his
> behavior patterns are consistent with latent or discrete homosexuality.

Some hack writes some bullshit and that makes it a fact? LOL!

I'll bet I could find somebody to write a paper "proving" that a Black man who
lives in one of the whitest countries is a self-hating, latent homosexual.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:31 EST 1999
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Gord McFee wrote:

> In <3827A27B.655D8CDB@usaor.net>, on Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:26:36 -0500,
> ipm  wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, to prove once again that you're just another Nizkorite hypocrite.
> > >
> > > What you are proving instead is that, like Phillips, once you get hold of a good
> > > baseless slander, you just can't put it down.
> >
> > How can it be baseless if Brown himself either confirms or denies it? That's all I'm
> > asking. I haven't said that Jeffery Brown is a homosexual. I only asked if he was
> > because I've heard that rumor.
>
> You are only asking it to be an asshole.  Mr Brown's sexual orientation
> has nothing to do with this newsgroup.

I agree. And nobody else's personal has anything to do with it either, but that never
stopped Kenny "The Hypocrite" McVay from posting anything he could find about his
opponents. All of you stood by and thought that was hilarious when Kenny did it, but when
it gets turned around then you all start squealing like pigs and lecturing how wrong it is
to make an issue of someone's personal info. Just like Irene Zundel who doubtless thought
it so funny to disclose personal info on former aquaintences to McVay knowing that he
would in all likelyhood post it to the Net (as he obviously has done) or feed it to the
ADL or whomever.

Just remember something. It was McVay who started this stuff. Whatever personal questions
get asked or info gets posted about you people, you can thank him. He established the
precedent. We're just following.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:32 EST 1999
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <01bf2c3f$825789c0$e9e26520@default>, "noname"
>  wrote:
> > ipm  wrote in article
> > <3829D3C7.1A3E00F2@usaor.net>...
> > >
> > > Explain what a person's name and address has to do with these
> > discussions.
> > >
> > You are wise not to post under your name and address. These
> > bastards will
> > call your home and neighbors, harass your wife, your children, put
> > your
> > name, phone number and address on their hate lists.
> > These bastards are the new nazis.
> > Hitler would be proud of the way some Jews handle those they
> > disagree with.
> > :-)
>
> Provide documenation (from actual sources, not David Irving's paranoid
> ramblings) of Jews doing these things. Actual sources are published
> police investigations, court findings, and  independent eye-witness
> corroboration. Heresay evidence is not admissable.

I don't know who you're talking to. He's not talking about Jews. He's presumably
talking about White Nationalists although I think he doesn't have a clue as to
what he's talking about. The only people that I know about who do these things
is the Jewish Defense League. They have names, addresses, and phone numbers of
all kinds of people on their website and openly encourage others to harrass
them.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 11 15:13:58 EST 1999
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> Prove that it is 'hack propaganda'. "It was written by a Jew" does not
> constitute acceptable evidence.

Its hack propaganda mainly because it gives no documentation for any of its
claims, while trying to refute a vast amount of evidence to the contrary.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 24 21:15:24 EST 1999
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"Rev. Meowatilla Al' Rashad" wrote:

> In , WhiteMan wrote:
> > Government’s Hate Crimes Witch Hunt for European Americans
> >
> > The recent Government sponsored Western Regional Hate Crimes Symposium and
> > Training held in Sacramento this month for police officers and Deputy
> > District Attorneys, is a terrible example of good government intentions
> > turning into a literal witch hunt to track, arrest and prosecute European
> > Americans for racially motivated hate crimes; while ignoring other
> > racial/ethnic group perpetrators.
> [snip]
>
> Oh, stop whining, CRACKER.
>
> 
>
> Black and beautiful,
> -Rev Rashad

Ignored anti-White Crimes:

http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/antiwhite.htm

--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 24 21:15:25 EST 1999
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"The Devil's Advocate©" wrote:

> Just curious Irmin, do you ever plan on posting something that's
> actually relevant to the newsgroups you spam to?

Quit whining.

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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by
Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Nov 24 21:15:25 EST 1999
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Hamish van den IJssel wrote:

> colour of skin is due to skin pigmentation you moron, ever wonder why
> people get whiter and more blonder hair the further you move from the
> equator (take in account migration patters of about 50,000 years).

Hmm, then we could just paint everybody the same color and all our race
problems would be over? We couldn't tell a Chinaman, from a Negro, from a
White man. Is that what you're suggesting?

I've seen albino Negroes. They looked like a Black who had white skin.
That's obviously not the same as a White person.



> IN fact, scientest believe the first man was black.

You mean they guess he was Black, but then so what if he was? There's been a
lot of generations since that first man - whatever color he was.


> Even the person most of western society worships, Jesus Christ, was not
> white - ask yourself this question, where was jc born, russia, england
> or the middle east.

He was a Jew, probably a Semite. He wasn't Black.


> In not against maintaing some cultural indenity, but in mulitcultural
> societeis, you are able to enjoy the benefits of other cultures, while
> maintaing your cultural identity.

Multiculturalism is nothing but a weapon of subversion used to destroy the
White race. Take many school history books for example. They list non-white
individuals along with truly important White people even though the
non-white individual's contribution to history is rather paltry. The only
reason that non-white person is even mentioned is because of what amounts to
historical Affirmative Action. If the population is 13% Black, then 15% of
all supposed "important" historical people must be Black. If that same
person had been White he wouldn't have even gotten one word. Hence we have a
distortion of history and truth and subversion of a White child's
understanding of his own history.



> > But, the important point to remember, in my view, is that we Whites
> > are certainly as worthy of survival as any other Life form, and we
> > cannot survive unless we regain our sense of identity, our will to
> > survive, and a society of our own. Multiracialism spells death --
> > and we should care about that.
>
> 'Regain our sense of Identity', American culture is the most dominant
> culture in the world, and last time I checked, the majority of american
> culture is white (eg holywood, politics, music - except most sports). So
> if white culture is lost, where the hell is Native American culture!!

Who cares?


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never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 25 03:20:34 EST 1999
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"Rev. Meowatilla Al' Rashad" wrote:

> In , WhiteMan wrote:
> > Government’s Hate Crimes Witch Hunt for European Americans
> >
> > The recent Government sponsored Western Regional Hate Crimes Symposium and
> > Training held in Sacramento this month for police officers and Deputy
> > District Attorneys, is a terrible example of good government intentions
> > turning into a literal witch hunt to track, arrest and prosecute European
> > Americans for racially motivated hate crimes; while ignoring other
> > racial/ethnic group perpetrators.
> [snip]
>
> Oh, stop whining, CRACKER.
>
> 
>
> Black and beautiful,
> -Rev Rashad

Ignored anti-White Crimes:

http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/antiwhite.htm

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Osborne
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"The Devil's Advocate©" wrote:

> Just curious Irmin, do you ever plan on posting something that's
> actually relevant to the newsgroups you spam to?

Quit whining.

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Hamish van den IJssel wrote:

> colour of skin is due to skin pigmentation you moron, ever wonder why
> people get whiter and more blonder hair the further you move from the
> equator (take in account migration patters of about 50,000 years).

Hmm, then we could just paint everybody the same color and all our race
problems would be over? We couldn't tell a Chinaman, from a Negro, from a
White man. Is that what you're suggesting?

I've seen albino Negroes. They looked like a Black who had white skin.
That's obviously not the same as a White person.



> IN fact, scientest believe the first man was black.

You mean they guess he was Black, but then so what if he was? There's been a
lot of generations since that first man - whatever color he was.


> Even the person most of western society worships, Jesus Christ, was not
> white - ask yourself this question, where was jc born, russia, england
> or the middle east.

He was a Jew, probably a Semite. He wasn't Black.


> In not against maintaing some cultural indenity, but in mulitcultural
> societeis, you are able to enjoy the benefits of other cultures, while
> maintaing your cultural identity.

Multiculturalism is nothing but a weapon of subversion used to destroy the
White race. Take many school history books for example. They list non-white
individuals along with truly important White people even though the
non-white individual's contribution to history is rather paltry. The only
reason that non-white person is even mentioned is because of what amounts to
historical Affirmative Action. If the population is 13% Black, then 15% of
all supposed "important" historical people must be Black. If that same
person had been White he wouldn't have even gotten one word. Hence we have a
distortion of history and truth and subversion of a White child's
understanding of his own history.



> > But, the important point to remember, in my view, is that we Whites
> > are certainly as worthy of survival as any other Life form, and we
> > cannot survive unless we regain our sense of identity, our will to
> > survive, and a society of our own. Multiracialism spells death --
> > and we should care about that.
>
> 'Regain our sense of Identity', American culture is the most dominant
> culture in the world, and last time I checked, the majority of american
> culture is white (eg holywood, politics, music - except most sports). So
> if white culture is lost, where the hell is Native American culture!!

Who cares?


--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The likelihood of Steven Spielberg ever making a film about the Cheka
killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 25 03:20:59 EST 1999
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Eugene Holman wrote:

> In article <382B0372.1163F05F@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> > > ROTFLOL!!!! What about leather clad, phallos-worshipping, fascist-thinking
> > > motorcycle groups?
> >
> > I know of no such groups. Most motorcycle people I've ever known tended to be
> > libertarians, not fascists.
> >
>
> Ever look into Hell's Angels or the Banditos?

Yes, I've seen them many times. Obviously you haven't. They wear more jeans and
than black leather.

In case you don't know, leather has a very practical purpose when riding a
motorcycle: it helps keep your skin from being ground away in an accident.



> > The Germans weren't White Nationalists. They were German nationalists. If
> they had
> > been racial nationalists they wouldn't have killed so many of their
> fellow Whites.
>
> A problem of definition. There is no absolute definition of White, because
> human diversity os a continuum and not discrete. They considerted Poles,
> for example to be their racial inferiors:

That's right. They weren't racial nationalists for the obvious reason that there
were many people in Germany who were racially identical to people living in Poland
or wherever. But because they were Germans, they were ok.



> "There shopuld be one master only for the Poles ­ the Germans. two masters,
> side by side, cannot and must not exist. Therefore all representatives of
> the Polish intelligentsia are to be exterminated. This, too, sounds cruel,
> but such is the law of life.... The lowest German workman and the lowest
> German peasant must always stand economically ten per cent above any Pole."
> [Bormann's notes, quoted in the Nuremberg Proceedings, Part VI, pp. 219 - 221.

Proves my point, not your's.



> The Nazis did not consider the Jews or the Slavs to be members of their
> race. They were not, howver, German nationalists, because they considred
> the Dutch, the Norwegians, the Danes, the Swedes, the Finland Swedes, a
> part of the English, and a part of the Estonians and Latvians to be part of
> their race.

Don't lump in the Jews with these other people. The Jews were a separate case.



> > They were in a war at the time, duh.
>
> It would take quite a long time for those four sons to grow up to be
> soldiers, certainly longer than the war was supposed to last.

They didn't know how long the war would last. There was no end in sight.



> > Why are you telling me this?
>
> Because you don't seem to understand that the Nazis were not German
> nationalists, but white nationalists within the definition of "our race"
> that they used. Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, Gypsies, not to mention Jews,
> were not regarded as members of their race, and practices such as running a
> stud service to get more Aryans and kidnapping Polish and Czech children
> who met certain racial criteria in order to bring them up as Germans is
> deminstration of this.

They didn't base it on race. There were people who were racial Slavs who were
Germans. Hitler didn't persecute them, only the Slavs living in other countries.



> > You're spouting a crazy Jew-created image of Hitler. You watch too many
> movies.
>
> I don't get my information about Hitler from movies, with the exception of
> newsreels and propaganda films made by the Nazis themselves. I read history
> books, German newspapers and books published by the Nazis during the 1930s,
> and other primary and secondary historical sources for my view of Hitler.

Then where do you get all this bullshit?



> > Hitler wasn't a White Nationalist. He was a German nationalist.
>
> Only from the standpoint of your definition of *white*, which is as
> arbitrary as his is. Back when I was attending university in the US, a
> distinction used to be made between "White" fraternities, which only
> considered people of British, Dutch, German, or Scandinavian origin and
> Protestant confession as members, "white" fraternities, which also
> considered "ethnics", such as people of Irish, Polish, Greek, or Hungarian,
> and "mixed" fraternities, who would also consider Jews, Puerto Ricans, and
> even non-whites.
>
> This was back in the 1960s, and I don't know if such divisions are popular
> today. In any case, the "White" of the Cornell University fraternity world
> was essentially congruent with the definition of *white* that ythe Nazis
> were using. The Ku Klux Klan also used essentially the same operational
> definition of *white*. Jews, Irish, Poles, Italians were no better than
> niggers as far as they were concerned.

The Jews are a special case because of their long-running conflict with White
gentiles.

Look, I'm a pan-Aryan, not a National Socialist. I have said that many times over
the past four years. Yes, I think Hitler had some good ideas. But I also disapprove
of many things he did.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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steve wolk wrote:

> What a hypocrite you are.  Ken McVay never posted anything personal that
> hadn't already been posted by the person in question.  And you know it.
> If you have proof this is not so, then show it - or zip it.

Bullshit. Let's take the case of myself

McVay has posted my supposed name, town, mailing address, the road that I live on, ham radio
call sign, and hair color.

All this was apparently based on only two things: a finger that he claims to have ran back on my
account in 1997 and his interrogation of Irene Zundel who had known somebody named "William
Scott." Never does it occur to Kenny that there must be at least 50 persons with the name
"William Scott" in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas. Its not an uncommon name.

The exact same thing happened in alt.california last year. The amateur sleuths there determined
that I was "Roger Hughes" and posted my exact address in Butler Pa. They even went as far as to
post my supposed occupation and place of employment.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 25 03:21:00 EST 1999
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Eugene Holman wrote:

> In article <382B2201.1547437A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
>
> >
> > That's right. They weren't racial nationalists for the obvious reason
> that there
> > were many people in Germany who were racially identical to people living
> in Poland
> > or wherever. But because they were Germans, they were ok.
>
> They weren't Germans, they were Poles, albeit Poles who *might* have had
> some German ancestry. The Germans devised a set of racial indices, and the
> score, taking into consideration such parameters as skull shape, nasal
> architecture, and face flatness, a blond-haired, blue-eyed Polish child
> received, it could be sent to a Lebensborn home to be reprogrammed as a
> German and then adopted by a German fanily, or sent to a concentration camp
> to be gassed.

I have an SS Mate Selection Guide which shows a number of racial types which were
considered part of the German "Folk", but we're not Nordic. In private
conversations, Hitler denounced this obsession with blonde hair and blue eyes as the
"Nordic Cult." He considered it divisive since many Germans weren't Nordics.

I really don't believe your story of Germans gassing Polish kids.



> > Proves my point, not your's.
>
> How so? The above demonstrates that the Grmans considered the Poles to be
> their racial inferiors.

Yes, but that's not my position. I'm a Pan-Aryanist, not a German National
Socialist. I don't care much about a fellow White person's nationality, only his
race.



> > Don't lump in the Jews with these other people. The Jews were a separate case.
>
> Proves my point, not yours. For you, Jews among the Caucasian peoples are
> not white, for the Nazis, Jews, Slavs, and Mediterraneans were not white.
> The point is, that both of you regard only a subset of the Caucasian
> peoples - peoples ranging from the Bengalis and Afghanis to the Portuguese
> and Basques, from the Lapps and Komis to the Sicilians and Syrians - as
> "white". You have different criteria for drawing the line, but they are
> equally arbitrary.

The opposition to Jews rests mainly on politics. Most Jews I've known were White
enough. The classic hook-nosed, kinky-hair Jew is not as common as the more
Aryan-looking Jews.



> > They didn't know how long the war would last. There was no end in sight.
>
> They hardly expected to be fighting long enough to allow the German mothers
> that Himmler was exhorting to bear four sons in 1941 to grow to maturity
> and die on the battlefield for the glory of the Reich.

Look, I don't approve of that war. I fault EVERY national leader who got involved
including Hitler. WW2 was the greatest disaster that ever happened to the White
race. We may never recover from it. Politically and ideologically it was also a
disaster.




> > They didn't base it on race. There were people who were racial Slavs who were
> > Germans. Hitler didn't persecute them, only the Slavs living in other
> countries.
>
> You got it wrong. The kids that the Germans kidnapped were defined by them
> as racial Germans who had been assimilated into the Slavs during the past
> two or three generations.

I'm talking about racial Slavs who had lived in Germany for generations and were
considered Germans. There were many Germans who had Czech ancestry. Hitler didn't
care about bothering them.



> > Look, I'm a pan-Aryan, not a National Socialist.
>
> The definition of Aryan which the Nazis used excluded Slavs, Balts,
> southern Europeans, Middle-Easterners, as well as the original Aryans - the
> lighter complexioned inhabitants of India and Persia.

Not Middle Easterners. They're Semites.



> > I have said that many times over
> > the past four years. Yes, I think Hitler had some good ideas.
>
> Please name the best two or three.

The idea of a biological society.
Instituted eugenics programs and programs to increase births.
Gave women who bore eight children or more the same public status and benefits as
war veterans.
Cleaned-up dope, prostitution, and sexual degeneracy in urban areas.
Cleaned up cultural degeneracy
Created millions of jobs by by-passing the debt money banking system. He issued
currency based on the productivity of the people, not by borrowing it into existance
>from a central bank.
Broke Jewish power over his country.

I could list more, but those are the ones I have off the top of my head.

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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 25 03:21:00 EST 1999
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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > steve wolk wrote:
> >
> > > What a hypocrite you are.  Ken McVay never posted anything personal that
> > > hadn't already been posted by the person in question.  And you know it.
> > > If you have proof this is not so, then show it - or zip it.
> >
> > Bullshit. Let's take the case of myself
> >
> > McVay has posted my supposed name, town, mailing address, the road that I live on, ham radio
> > call sign, and hair color.
>
> All that (except for hair color) was information openly available on the
> net, that you yourself posted at that ham radio site.

I didn't post any personal info at any ham radio sites.



>  How posting your
> hair color is an invasion of your privacy I do not know.  I've seen the
> site myself - or was I dreaming?

It all depends on your definition of "openly availble." I could just as easily say that everything I
could ever find out about Irene Zundel is "openly available" because so many people in her area know
about her.




> All this was apparently based on only two things: a finger that he
> claims to have ran back on my
> > account in 1997 and his interrogation of Irene Zundel who had known somebody named "William
> > Scott." Never does it occur to Kenny that there must be at least 50 persons with the name
> > "William Scott" in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas. Its not an uncommon name.
>
> Except that the others aren't called "Red" and don't use the same nyms
> as you do.

These are things assigned to me by Mcvay.



> > The exact same thing happened in alt.california last year. The amateur sleuths there determined
> > that I was "Roger Hughes" and posted my exact address in Butler Pa. They even went as far as to
> > post my supposed occupation and place of employment.
> >
>
> I thought you were talking about Ken McVay.  What does he have to do
> with the "amateur sleuths" in alt.california?

I mention it because there are other people apparently obsessed with my personal info besides McVay.

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never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Nov 25 03:21:00 EST 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <382B463B.FFBEE2AB@erols.com>,
> steve wolk   wrote:
>
> [Red Scott said]
>
> >> McVay has posted my supposed name, town, mailing address, the road
> >that I live on, ham radio
> >> call sign, and hair color.
>
> Actually, I don't recall posting your hair colour. I simply used your
> nickname - "Red" - because that's what folks call you. Thank you for
> confirming another facet of your identity, though. It was thoughtful
> of you, Red.

I'm not confirming anything, only recounting the pieces of info you have
attributed to me.



> >All that (except for hair color) was information openly available on the
> >net, that you yourself posted at that ham radio site.  How posting your
> >hair color is an invasion of your privacy I do not know.  I've seen the
> >site myself - or was I dreaming?
>
> Mr. Scott posted his postal address on QRZ.COM, so it is clear he
> wanted it known to the general public.

I have never posted anything to QRZ.com. I never heard of it until I heard
about it from you.


--
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ipm
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence
Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
Jewish Involvement in Wrecking US Immigration Policy
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrandom/nrandjhntaylr.html




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <382C1557.8CE55133@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> [Wonderfulness of Hitler]
>
> >The idea of a biological society.
>
> ...i.e. a racist society doomed to failure.
>
> >Instituted eugenics programs and programs to increase births.
>
> ...and left 100,000 dead, including children whose only "fault" was
> being a discipline problem in school....

That's nonsense.



> >Created millions of jobs by by-passing the debt money banking system. He issued
> >currency based on the productivity of the people, not by borrowing it
> >into existance
> >from a central bank.
> >Broke Jewish power over his country.
>
> This one's actually funny, Mr. Scott. Hitler utterly destroyed
> Germany's economy, and bankrupted the country in the process.

While America, Britian, and the rest of Europe were wallowing in economic
depression, Germany was enjoying great economic growth under Hitler's programs.

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Eugene Holman wrote:

> In article <382C1557.8CE55133@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > I have an SS Mate Selection Guide which shows a number of racial types
> which were
> > considered part of the German "Folk", but we're not Nordic. In private
> > conversations, Hitler denounced this obsession with blonde hair and blue
> eyes as the
> > "Nordic Cult."
>
> A simple look at his mug tells you why.

You're contradicting your whole premise by that comment.


> > I really don't believe your story of Germans gassing Polish kids.
> >
>
> If you read German, get a hold of Lilienthal, Georg, *Der 'Lebensborn e.V.'
> : ein Instrumentnationalsozialistischer Rassenpolitik*, Stuttgart G.
> Fischer 1985
> (Forschungen zur neueren Medizin- und Biologiegeschichte) to find out about
> German racial policy towards the population in Polish territory taken over
> by the Reich.
>
> If you can't find the book, here is a website which will give you something
> to think about:
>
> http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/gallery3/p235.htm
>
> The caption reads: "Children from an orphanage in Marysin, Poland wait in
> line to board a truck which will take them to the Chelmno concentration
> camp where they will be killed.

Anyone could make a comment like that. That doesn't mean its true.



> Photo credit: Meczenstwo Walka, Zaglada Zydów w Polsce 1939-1945. Poland.
> No. p235
>
> We often forget that the Nazis were not just in the business of killing
> Jews, and that the majority of the victims of the Holocaust were women and
> children, "useless mouths to feed":

I never said that the persons in charge of administrating the occupied areas were
benvolent towards the Slav populations. I specifically mentioned that as one of the
main problems I have with Hitler and the subordinates responsible. There were
perceptive Germans  who tried to persuade Hitler that treating the Slavs as allies
had a tactical advantage, if nothing else, and that he should make sure that there
was no abuse by German authorities. But Hitler apparently didn't care and allowed
the rough treatment to continue.



> At  http://weber.ucsd.edu/~lzamosc/gchelmno.html you can read the report on
> Chelmno of the Central Commision for Investigation of German Crimes in
> Poland
>
> At the end of Part II you will read:
>
> "In 1943, four lorries filled with children aged from 12-14 without Jewish
> emblems were brought. The witnesses took the impression that they
> were "Aryans". It was just at this time that the Nazis were expelling the
> Polish population from the neighbourhood of Zamosc, and as a rule
> separating children from their parents."

If this actually occurred, its an obvious outrage witch I would never support of
defend. I'm not convinced that such actions were widespread or a set policy if they
did occur.



> > Not Middle Easterners. They're Semites.
>
> Semites is a linguistic, not a racial designation. Semitic languages are
> spoken in an historical area ranging from Lebanon to southern Ethiopia
> (Amharic) and Nigeria (Hausa) by people of Europoid-dominant and
> Negroid-dominant stock, as well as gradations. Ancient Egyptian, a language
> spoken by people some of whom would be regarded as Caucasoid, is also a
> Semtiic language.

Let me put it this way: an Arab is not what I, or any White Nationalist I know,
consider to be a White Aryan. You can argue all you want as a Black man, but your
arguments will change nothing.



> > The idea of a biological society.
>
> It meant trusting one group's idea of what is biologically 'good'.

No, I mean that a government exists only to serve the race that created it, and not
merely to perpetuate a certain economic system or maintain a certain ruling class
as is the case with America today.



> The high
> incidence of skin cancer in northern Australia shows that having a dark
> complexion is a biological advantage if you live in such a climate.

A pathetric rationalization for racial destruction.



> I'd
> trust nature's experiments over the preferences of a group of politicians
> any day, particularly since diversity, not homogeneity, is essential for
> group survival. As you said yourself, Hitler was privately irritated over
> the cult of Nordicism.

A little diversity is good when good breeding is practiced within a reasonably
homogenious society. The White race has more than a large enough gene pool.

Diversity for its own sake is nonsense.



> > Instituted eugenics programs and programs to increase births.
>
> The eugenics program had also increased deaths to the tune of 100,000 by
> 1941. Do you really think that politicians should play God? If you can kill
> people for being murderers, why not kill them for being unproductive? Or
> stupid? Or ugly? Or too old?

I'm talking about eugenics as it applies to breeding, not killing anyone.



> > Gave women who bore eight children or more the same public status and
> benefits as
> > war veterans.
>
> Why not give the same benefits to women who even bear one child?

Because a woman who has produced many healthy children has performed a significant
service to the society.



> Most
> European societies provide generous children's allowances for *all*
> children until the age of 16 or so. And they were doing that before the
> Nazis came into power.

No, what they called "prolific mothers":

"The prolific German mother is to he accorded the same place of honor in the German
Volk community as the. combat soldier. Since she risks her body and her life for
the people and the Fatherland as much as the combat soldier does in the roar and
thunder of battle." With these words, Reich Physician Leader Dr. Wagner, head of
the People's Health Section in the Reich leadership of the party, at the behest of
the Fiihrer, announced the creation of a Medal of Honor for prolific German mothers
at the Party Day of Labor.

Three million German mothers, on the German Mother's Day in 1939, for the first
time will be solemnly awarded the new badge of honor by the leaders of the party.
These celebrations are to be held every year on Mother's Day and on the Awarding of
Medals Day for prolific mothers.

The youth above all must be brought up with a reverence for the mothers of the
people. Thus the honoring of German mothers with many children is not to be limited
only to Mother's Day and to the Awarding of Medals Day. In the future the prolific
mother will occupy the place that is due her in public life. The young National
Socialist will show his respect for her through the obligatory salute of all
members of the youth formations of the party. In addition, the wearers of the Honor
Cross of the German Mother will henceforth enjoy all those privileges which are
already possessed as a matter of course by meritorious racial comrades. disabled
war veterans and the martyrs of the National Socialist revolution—such privileges
as honorary seats at party and government-sponsored gatherings, special treatment
in government offices, and preferred seats assigned by conductors in rail coaches
and trolley cars. Further, they are to be provided with old-age care and be first
priority for acceptance in homes for the aged or in special sections of such homes
already in existence.

For this honoring of the prolific mother and especially of the German aged mother
by the Fuhrer is not only an expression of thanks, but at the same time expresses
the trust that the Fuhrer, and with him the whole German people, has in all German
mothers, that they will continue to help to pave the way for our people, and that
they will make us a gift of that youth which, after perilous times, will, crown the
rise of our Volk. . . . From the Volkischer Beobachter, Dec. 25, 1938. (Wiener
Library Clipping Collection. )





>
> > Cleaned-up dope, prostitution, and sexual degeneracy in urban areas.
>
> I'm all for cleaning up dope, as well as alcohol and tobacco. Prostitution
> and sexual "degeneracy" are anaother kettle of fish. The Nazis themselves
> ran a brothel at Auschwitz, and many people in Hitler's coterie, as well as
> Hitler himself, were not sexually "normal".

That's bullshit. You have no substative proof of that.



> I think that adults should be
> allowed a considerable amount of freedom with respect to sexuality, as long
> as what they do is done discretely and responsibly. If you compare the
> Nazis' words with their practice, that was essentially their line, too,
> even if Ernst Röhm was a flagrant and notorious homosexual.

Hitler shutdown the homosexual and transvestite clubs in the German cities. He also
banned degenerate burlesque and "dirty dancing" clubs.



> And nobody has
> ever been able to wipe out prostitution.

They understood that, but the NS government greatly reduced prostitution,
especially that of the most flagrant and perverted sort, and contained such
businesses to restricted areas of the cities.



> > Cleaned up cultural degeneracy
>
> How is to decide what cultural degeneracy is?

Weird, perverted, and bizarre art. A good example would be that "painting" of the
Virgin Mary splattered with shit which was causing a controversy in NYC last month.




> Rock music was regarded as
> cuktural degeneracy during the 1950s,

It is definitely cultural regression.



> > Created millions of jobs by by-passing the debt money banking system. He
> issued
> > currency based on the productivity of the people, not by borrowing it
> into existance
> > from a central bank.
>
> The Reichsmark was also a non-convertible currency worth a fraction of its
> nominal value outside the borders of the Reich. The "value" of the Soviet
> ruble was reated in the same way.

No kidding. The bankers definitely didn't want the Hitler money system to become
widespread. It would have been the death of the international debt money system.
Germany still created vast wealth for itself through foreign trade. People wanted
German goods and Hitler's trade policies made that even more attractive.



> > Broke Jewish power over his country.
>
> The Jews amounted to less than 1% of the German population and had nothing
> like the power Hitler attributed to them. The bosses of big business, the
> most influential authors, artists, politicians, military leaders, and
> scientists were solidily German.

Nonsense. The media and banking were very disproportionately Jewish.



> You might even say, that German policy towards the Jews gave them, the
> Jews, *more* power over the country. An entire bureaucracy had to be set up
> to deal with the "Jewish Problem". After the war started the Germans, who
> had already bitten off more than they could chew, devoted an inordinate
> amounbt of time and energy to rounding up, enslaving, and killing Jews. The
> Nazis ran a total of some 10,000 concentration camps. Think of all the
> resources they had to commit to keep them all going. Some students of
> German history emphasize that the bureaucracy running the camps became a
> power whose interests conflicted with the German state and particularly
> with its military goals. If the Jews were disposed of in as rapid a way
> possible, it is argued, most of the camps would be shut down with their
> staff being forced to give up their relatively comfortable and profitable
> positions and being sent to fight on one of the many fronts.

The original plan was to relocate Jews either to Palestine or back into southern
Russia. The war complicated everything.



> The Jews never played so great a role in determining the fate of Germany as
> they did during WW II, when tracking them down, transporting, housing,
> feeding, clothing, overseeing, killing, burying, exhuming, and creating
> them drained the economy - and thus the war effort - of resources to an
> unprecedented degree.

Nonsense, the Jews were involved in all kinds of political activity:

“In pre-World War I Germany, for example, Jews were extremely important in the
Socialist party. The SPD was founded by a Jew, Ferdinand Lasalle, and Jews,
including such individuals as Eduard Bernstein and Otto Landsberg, were among the
party’s most promi-nent parliamentary leaders. In addition, the party’s leading
journal-ists were Jews as were its most notable theorists—Bernstein, Adolf Braun,
and Simon Katzenstein; its leading expert on municipal ad-ministration was a Jew,
as was its expert on electoral law and its chief youth organizer, Ludwig Frank.’”

Socialists dominated the provisional government established in Germany in the
immediate aftermath of World War 1. Two of this government’s six cabinet members.
Otto Landsberg and Hugo Haase, were Jews. Other Jewish Socialists also played
important roles dur-ing this period. Kurt Eisner was prime minister of Bavaria in
1918-1919. Georg Gradnauer was prime minister of Saxony from 1919 to 1921. In
Prussia, Paul Hirsch served as prime minister from 1918 to 1920 and Kurt Rosenfeld
as minister of justice in 1918. As noted earlier, Hugo Preuss formulated the Weimar
constitution and served as minister of the interior. After the creation of the
Weimar Republic, Jews continued to play important roles in the leadership of the
SPD.  About 10% of the party’s Reichstag deputies were Jews, including
Rudolph Hilferding, who was minister of finance in 1923 and from 1928 to 1930.

Among the most vehement opponents of the Socialist provisional government was the
German Communist party, whose leadership also included a number of Jews. In 1919,
under the direction of party chief Paul Levi, the KPD staged a revolt against the
Socialist provisional government. One of the most prominent leaders of this revolt
was Rosa Luxemburg, who was later captured and murdered by rightist paramilitary
forces. Jews were also among the leaders of the Communist government that the KPD
briefly established in Bavaria after the murder of Kurt Eisner. Eugen Levine was
head of the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic, Gustav Landauer was its commissar
for propaganda and cultural affairs, and Ernst Toller commanded its “red army.”
This regime was crushed in May 1919 by free corps forces.” – The Fatal Embrace-
Jews and the State, Benjamin Ginsberg, University of Chicago Press, 1993

--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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killing Cossack girls with sledgehammers is remote indeed. Marxism will
never have a Holocaust chained to its ankles." - from a review by Lawrence Osborne
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > I didn't post any personal info at any ham radio sites.
>
> Then either someone posted it for you or you're not the same William
> Scott mentioned there.  In either case, you have nothing to bitch about.
> It's public domain.

Well, its like I said, I never heard of that site before McVay mentioned it and I never posted any of my
info there.


> > It all depends on your definition of "openly availble." I could just as easily say that everything I
> > could ever find out about Irene Zundel is "openly available" because so many people in her area know
>  about her.
>
> Read the above again.  "Openly available" means "on the net, available
> for anybody and everybody to read".  Your definition above is not
> "openly available" by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh yes it is, because she has obviously made very little attempt to keep her location a secret.



> > These are things assigned to me by Mcvay.
> >
>
> Right.  You're so important that McVay chose you, above all others, to
> single out for special treatment.  Sure.

Look, I don't post my personal info. McVay comes up with all this stuff himself.



> > I mention it because there are other people apparently obsessed with my personal info besides McVay.
>
> Have you been paranoid very long?

I'm not paranoid. I'm merely stating a fact that both McVay and a person on another newsgroup spent some
effort to determine who I was and where I lived and whatever other personal info they could find. They
then posted that info on the Net. The interesting thing is that each came up with completely different
information. Different names, towns, addresses, everything.




>  The only obsession I see around here
> is your obsession with Jeffrey Brown's sexuality.  Get it through your
> head - I don't give a shit about your personal information, Ken McVay
> doesn't give a shit about your personal information, and nobody else
> here gives a shit about your personal information.

That's a lie. McVay evidently cares about it because he's went out of his way to collect it and then post
it over and over. Both he and that clown from alt.california should know by now that their actions haven't
slowed me down and won't. Actually, all this posting of personal information has done me a favor. It has
allowed me to highlight McVay's double standard when it comes to posting personal info. When Doc Tavis or
myself do it, then such postings outrage McVay and he considers it a violation of someone's privacy, but
when he does it, its free speech.

Just remember one thing. If it was up to me no person info on anyone would have ever been posted. It was
Mcvay who started this stuff three years ago. Until last month, I let him go while I resisted engaging in
it myself. Then I put out a little info and the Nizkooks are outraged. What a joke.



>  You just like to
> flatter yourself into believing that we do.  Well, sorry, you're just
> not that important to anyone.

People like me are a thorn in the side of you Nizkooks. Everybody knows that.

--
Regards,
ipm
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