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From: minsky@cybernex.net (Jacob Minsky)
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Subject: Re: Jews Led Russian Bolshevism - There's No Doubt About It
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, ipm  wrote:

>JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
>Ian McKinney

Why if it isn't Roger Hughes/Bob Dawgson/William Scott/whatever the
hell *still* posting the same garbage after all these years! Would
you like to drop your pants again and show everyone that you haven't
grown any balls since the last time?

Note to sci.skeptic readers: "Ian"'s stuff is the same long-refuted
ignorant trash that's been circulated by him and two or three of his
neo-Nazi buddies for at least three years now; they used to call
themselves the "National Alliance Cybercell" and "invade" newsgroups
by posting hundreds of their canned racist rants a day, usually
under several different aliases each. "Ian" would even carry on
back-and-forth conversations with himself under three different
names. Their articles were usually accompanied by this sign:

( )( ) 
\ || /

which was supposed to represent them dropping their pants and mooning
us. I forget who it was that correctly pointed out the obvious lack
of cojones.

Anyway, let's see if they've come up with anything new:

> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism will
>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any
>otherwise significant Jewish involvement, but let's see the them deny
>the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
>D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which
>clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism.

What do you mean "let's see the them?" You've seen it already - nobody
with an IQ higher than the room temperature (even in centigrade) can
take this garbage seriously. A prime example is this: 

>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
>were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
>to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>Government."

[similar stuff omitted]

It was previously pointed out to Scott/Ian/Roger that there was no
governmental organ that consisted of 384 people, that the "negroes" and
"Chinamen" among the commissars are pure fantasy (as are American Jews),
that one can easily name more than 13 Russian commissars, and that, in
general, only a complete idiot who was also illiterate and ignorant
could belive any of this. Upon being asked to name these "negroes,"
"Chinamen," American Jews - at least some of them - and give some
relevant dates and documentation, Roger/Ian/Whatever would run off and
come back later to post more lies and forgeries.


>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>"anti-Semitic" and carefully selected and therefore unreliable,

They wouldn't have to "assume," people with half a clue would simply
know it.

>Here's a few Jewish sources that exactly substantiate
>the previous ones:

Oh look, it's the garbage added by "Roger Hughes" after it was pointed
out to him that very few people would be stupid enough to believe the
crap we read above this.

>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

The quote is largely forged, cretin, and it would seem to refer to an
article by one Svetozar Tonjoroff, who was certainly not Jewish, and
thus hardly has anything to do with "Jewish sources."

>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
>April, 4, 1919)

Can you tell whichever idiots are in charge of making up this nonsense
that, when forging quotes from weekly publications, it is considered a
professional touch to pick a date on which the periodical actually came
out? Other than that, I am sorry to inform you that this quote doesn't
appear in any of the "adjacent" issues of the _Jewish Chronicle_,
either.

But this is not to say that there is nothing in the newspaper about Jews
and Bolsheviks. In fact, there is a regular column on the subject that
appears in every issue in 1919. Thing is, it is dedicated to *refuting*
the lies that Ian is peddling now. A representative (and particularly
good) article appears in the December 12 issue. I'll quote it from my
message (at http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530021048).


   The  systematic  attempts  that  are  now  being  made
   to identify the Jews of Russia  with  the Bolshevists,
   to represent  Bolshevism  as  a  Jewish movement,  and
   thus to  hold up  the entire Jewish people  to obloquy
   and attack,  are based  solely upon  the  fact  that a
   certain  number  of  prominent Bolshevist Commissaries
   are of Jewish birth.  Upon this fact,  which has never
   been denied,have been built up all sorts of fanatastic
   accusations,  such as  that  the  Jews  wish  to wreak
   revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom,
   and  that  they  aim  at  sweeping  away  Christian
   civilization so as to enthrone Judaism  as the dominant
   faith  throughout the world.  How utterly absurd these
   calumnies are, and  how  grotesquely  exaggerated  are
   most  of  the  stories  of  Jewish  participation  in
   Bolshevism  can  be  proved  by  an  unimpassioned
   examination of the ascertainable facts and figures.


The title of the article is THE 'JEW-BOLSHEVIST' LIE. As I pointed
out before, the examination of facts and figures that follows is
lucid and accurate.

Aside to readers: does misquotation of sources get much more blatant,
vile, and malicious than what we just exposed here?


>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

Cute. This in itself is simply a well-known forgery, but the addition of
"The American Bulletin" is a nice touch. Looks like Rabbi S. Wise is
supposed to have given an interview to "The American Bulletin," right?
Wrong - the full title of this august publication is "The American
Bulletin: the White Man's Opinion," and it is just another racist rag
that is passing on this old forgery.

>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

As I pointed out to some other knuckle-dragger who tried this stunt
before you did, somebody pawed a decimal point here: it wasn't 52%,
it was 5.2%. I guess I can understand your hatred of decimal points
though - if it wasn't for them, you could say that the average neo-Nazi
has 15 functioning neurons in his brain.

Enough of this for now. Crawl back under your rock, "Ian."


-- Jacob.
"What part of English I ain't talking to y'all??"

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