Path: hub.org!hub.org!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Jacob Minsky) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Jews Led Russian Bolshevism - There's No Doubt About It References: <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net> Reply-To: email@example.com Message-ID:
User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (Windows) Lines: 157 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:23:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.104.22.168 X-Complaints-To: firstname.lastname@example.org X-Trace: news.rdc1.nj.home.com 940443794 22.214.171.124 (Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:23:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:23:14 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: hub.org sci.skeptic:375411 On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, ipm wrote: >JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM >Ian McKinney Why if it isn't Roger Hughes/Bob Dawgson/William Scott/whatever the hell *still* posting the same garbage after all these years! Would you like to drop your pants again and show everyone that you haven't grown any balls since the last time? Note to sci.skeptic readers: "Ian"'s stuff is the same long-refuted ignorant trash that's been circulated by him and two or three of his neo-Nazi buddies for at least three years now; they used to call themselves the "National Alliance Cybercell" and "invade" newsgroups by posting hundreds of their canned racist rants a day, usually under several different aliases each. "Ian" would even carry on back-and-forth conversations with himself under three different names. Their articles were usually accompanied by this sign: ( )( ) \ || / which was supposed to represent them dropping their pants and mooning us. I forget who it was that correctly pointed out the obvious lack of cojones. Anyway, let's see if they've come up with anything new: > While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism will >concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any >otherwise significant Jewish involvement, but let's see the them deny >the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables >that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington >D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which >clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. What do you mean "let's see the them?" You've seen it already - nobody with an IQ higher than the room temperature (even in centigrade) can take this garbage seriously. A prime example is this: >A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, >reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here >were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 >Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come >to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial >Government." [similar stuff omitted] It was previously pointed out to Scott/Ian/Roger that there was no governmental organ that consisted of 384 people, that the "negroes" and "Chinamen" among the commissars are pure fantasy (as are American Jews), that one can easily name more than 13 Russian commissars, and that, in general, only a complete idiot who was also illiterate and ignorant could belive any of this. Upon being asked to name these "negroes," "Chinamen," American Jews - at least some of them - and give some relevant dates and documentation, Roger/Ian/Whatever would run off and come back later to post more lies and forgeries. >Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are >"anti-Semitic" and carefully selected and therefore unreliable, They wouldn't have to "assume," people with half a clue would simply know it. >Here's a few Jewish sources that exactly substantiate >the previous ones: Oh look, it's the garbage added by "Roger Hughes" after it was pointed out to him that very few people would be stupid enough to believe the crap we read above this. >"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of >Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a >new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in >Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction >and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an >physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American >Hebrew, September 10, 1920) The quote is largely forged, cretin, and it would seem to refer to an article by one Svetozar Tonjoroff, who was certainly not Jewish, and thus hardly has anything to do with "Jewish sources." >"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so >many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with >many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London >April, 4, 1919) Can you tell whichever idiots are in charge of making up this nonsense that, when forging quotes from weekly publications, it is considered a professional touch to pick a date on which the periodical actually came out? Other than that, I am sorry to inform you that this quote doesn't appear in any of the "adjacent" issues of the _Jewish Chronicle_, either. But this is not to say that there is nothing in the newspaper about Jews and Bolsheviks. In fact, there is a regular column on the subject that appears in every issue in 1919. Thing is, it is dedicated to *refuting* the lies that Ian is peddling now. A representative (and particularly good) article appears in the December 12 issue. I'll quote it from my message (at http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530021048). The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews of Russia with the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement, and thus to hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are based solely upon the fact that a certain number of prominent Bolshevist Commissaries are of Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been denied,have been built up all sorts of fanatastic accusations, such as that the Jews wish to wreak revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom, and that they aim at sweeping away Christian civilization so as to enthrone Judaism as the dominant faith throughout the world. How utterly absurd these calumnies are, and how grotesquely exaggerated are most of the stories of Jewish participation in Bolshevism can be proved by an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable facts and figures. The title of the article is THE 'JEW-BOLSHEVIST' LIE. As I pointed out before, the examination of facts and figures that follows is lucid and accurate. Aside to readers: does misquotation of sources get much more blatant, vile, and malicious than what we just exposed here? >"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi >S. Wise, May 5, 1935). Cute. This in itself is simply a well-known forgery, but the addition of "The American Bulletin" is a nice touch. Looks like Rabbi S. Wise is supposed to have given an interview to "The American Bulletin," right? Wrong - the full title of this august publication is "The American Bulletin: the White Man's Opinion," and it is just another racist rag that is passing on this old forgery. >"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet >communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of >the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) As I pointed out to some other knuckle-dragger who tried this stunt before you did, somebody pawed a decimal point here: it wasn't 52%, it was 5.2%. I guess I can understand your hatred of decimal points though - if it wasn't for them, you could say that the average neo-Nazi has 15 functioning neurons in his brain. Enough of this for now. Crawl back under your rock, "Ian." -- Jacob. "What part of English I ain't talking to y'all??"
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