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Published: December 27, 1995, in response to Ronald Schoedel's
list of questions.

Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western,alt.conspiracy,alt.food.dennys,alt.food.waffle-house,alt.fan.barry-manilow,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: QUESTIONS FOR KENNY McVAY (round 4)
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I apologize for the length of this response, but, in dealing
with racist nazis like "Reverend" Schoedel, I find it best to
let their own words speak for them.

Readers of non-country groups are encouraged to archive this
post, so that they might use it in the future to introduce Mr.
Schoedel to whatever newsgroups he may attack in the future.

In article <4bq958$jur@spectator.cris.com>, 
Country Ron  wrote:

> to evade.  I joined a new newsgroup a couple weeks ago, and shortly
> thereafter Kenny "Fill'er up" McVay comes in to a completely 
> off-topic newsgroup and tries to enrage readers by posting 
> inappropriate subject matter that I had written.

Given your activity in various alt.* groups, wherein you and
your attention-starved racist friends invaded and disrupted
peaceful groups (alt.food.dennys, alt.food.waffle-house, and
alt.fan.barry-manilow come to mind) and bragged about it, I
find these reptilian tears somewhat hypocritical. In other
words, those who invade off-topic newsgroups with the
deliberate intent to disrupt them and recruit should not throw
stones.

I simply did everyone a favour, and introduced you to the
audience, so they would know you for what you are.

> 1) HOW DID HE FIND ME ON THE COUNTRY MUSIC NG?

You will find a clue on my home page. I like country music,
Mr. Schoedel.

> 2) WHY DID HE FIND ME AND TRY TO START TROUBLE ON THE 
>    COUNTRY MUSIC NG?

Trouble? I simply introduced you, as an act of courtesy, Mr.
Schoedel. I also pointed out, as an indicator of why you were
_really_ visiting the group, that you were providing
completely false information about "Megan's home page," by
providing a URL that had nothing to do with Megan, and
everything to do with your tawdry little pile of hatred.

Why, one might wonder, would the "Reverend" Schoedel provide a
false URL as "Megan's home page?" Perhaps your October 8th.
comment to the STORMFRONT mailing list will provide the
answer... the context, of course, was that the Nazi National
Alliance web page had been removed from a server. You were
thanked for providing alternative links: 

	From: ChrIdent@cris.com (Ronald Schoedel)
	Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 13:25:18 -0500
	Subject: Re: NA web site mirror online
 
	>From: AryanGar@aol.com
	>Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 00:26:57 -0400
	>Subject: Re: NA web site mirror online

	>In a message dated 95-10-07 22:33:31 EDT, you write:

	>Thank you Ron for pitching in just when the movement needs 
 	>the NationalAlliance the most.  
	>Thank you from me personally :)

	[snipped poetic drivel]
 
	Hey, we're all in this thing together.  I am honored to be 
	able to pitch in to help out NA.  We've got such an awesome 
	and powerful thing here with the internet, that I felt it my 
	duty to help out like this.

	Things are really beginning to heat up right now, and this 
	is indeed the least of all times for NA to be absent from the 
	web!!!  Our site gets about a hundred hits a day, so trust 
	me...the message IS getting out! :)

	Thanx, and take care!
 
	RON :-)  88/14

In other words, Mr. Schoedel, you support the most openly Nazi
organization in North America, and help them promulgate their
vitriolic hatred through your own web page; in addition, you
add the traditional "Heil Hitler" to your signature (8=eighth
letter of alphabet="H") in order to leave no misunderstanding
about your political beliefs. You are a Nazi.
 
Why would I bother introducing you, Mr. Schoedel? What, if
anything, does this have to do with rec.music.country.western?

Let's consider the following suggestion, posted to the STORMFRONT
(Nazi) mailing list, a list, as we have seen, to which you
subscribe - Milton Kleim, of the National Alliance, writes:

   Subject:     ANA Editorial -- APNW and APWP
   From:        Rick Knight, bf221@freenet.carleton.ca
   To:          bf221@freenet.carleton.ca
 
   Comrades!
 
   I've been thinking about the loss of APNW and APWP to some of you,
   and have determined this is an _opportunity_, not a hindrance, for
   our struggle.
 
   The Enemy has seen to it that we've lost the two "hang-outs" where
   he best kept us -- out of sight of the "mainstream" USENETers.  This
   is, for our Enemy, a fatal error on his part.
 
   His action has compelled some of you to assume the role I've
   suggested since I wrote "On Tactics and Strategy for USENET."  Those
   of you who have lost APNW and APWP should immediately become the
   pioneers of new, "mainstream" groups.
 
   Venture out, Aryan warriors!  Take up positions on "mainstream"
   groups where our views have a legitimate place.
 
   If you've lost APNW and APWP, journey over to soc.culture.usa,
   talk.politics.misc, alt.politics.usa.misc, or any other appropriate
   group.
 
   APNW and APWP had a limited readership -- we were merely "preaching
   to the choir."  The Enemy has screwed himself by fraudulently
   deleting our newsgroups, and leaving some of you with no choice but
   to go to other regions of USENET cyberspace.  The new groups you
   MUST venture onto have 20 TIMES the readership our groups have/had.
 
   Aryan Corps, MOVE OUT!
 
   -- Milton
 
If you are interested in reading Milton Kleim's "Tactics and Strategy
for USENET," in which, among other things, he tells his "cyber guerillas"
to cancel their own posts to avoid unwanted discussion, point your
web browser to:
 

 
Then Wyatt Kaldenberg adds his two cents worth, explaining how
newsgroups should be invaded and disrupted:
 
   From: Stormfront-l, stormfront-l@stormfront.org
   From: wotan@cts.com (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
   Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 08:45 PDT
   Subject: Cells of Three
 
   The new way of posting on the newsgroups is to stay away from the
   four racist newsgroups. The only people who post there are racist
   and anti-racists, No new blood. It is a waste of our time to sing to
   the choir.
 
   The Jews are watching this list. So what we say is put in FTP sites.
   People should email one another and talk privately about newsgroup
   you wish to hit. Get only three people. And hit a newsgroup. With
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   three people you lessen the chance up posting with a Jew. For not
   all people on this list are who they say they are.
 
   Post only new articles most people don't read all the replies, but
   all read the first articles. This way with new articles you can
   create the titles. I have created titles in some newsgroups that
   have lived for months and months. It funny. Liberals post attacks on
   my titles that will say something like Niggers, Niggers and I have
   not been there in months, but because of the liberals reply to my
   titles, not my posts for they are long gone, the Nigger titles are
   still there. Then niggers see the titles and say something like fuck
   all you White motherfuckers, then a liberal will say "But all Whites
   don't hate blacks,etc" And the nigger title keeps go and go and go
   like that pink rabbit. It is a hoot!
 
   Hit topical newsgroups. Go to a Christian newsgroups, Satanist
   newsgroups, pagan, atheist, Left, Right and Center, Rock newsgroups,
   etc. My carrier has over 15,000 newsgroups. Let's try to hit
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   everyone at least once. This is how we will build the movement. And
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   make your titles radical as hell. Your posts will be gone in a few
   weeks, but a good radical titles could stay on for months, if not
   years. The liberal can't stop replying to open racism.  Wyatt
 
In response to Mr. Kaldenberg's message, an anonymous reader of that
mailing list wrote:
 
   From: Stormfront-l, stormfront-l@stormfront.org
   From: genghis@primenet.com (Genghis Khan)
   Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 05:23:39 -0700
   Subject: Re: Cells of Three
 
   I've been thinking about this for some time now.  Like your
   suggestion for groups of three from Stormfront-L to "hit" a
   newsgroup.  However, merely having three people post the same thing
   doesn't really accomplish our goals.
 
   What we need is one of the people to go to a newsgroup for a few days
   and start posting "normal" messages, getting into the conversations,
   etc.. Basically, get known and have some aspect of respect from other
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   readers. Then, have another member of Stormfront come in and post
   statistics or make "ethnocentric" comments.  Have guy #1 play up to
   guy #2 and try to convince people reading the newsgroup that others
   are taking up our side.  Sort of like a hustle.  You've all seen the
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   movie The Color of Money.  It works basically the same way and, if
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   done properly, will further our goals TREMENDOUSLY.
 
   If anyone wants to work with me, just send private email and we'll
   set it up.
 
   Ben

So there we are, "Reverend" Ron - the reason I've introduced
you; I've also explained why I am here, and "Sort of like a hustle" 
explains why you are here.

> and another one, which I never asked yet, but will do so now:

> 3a) WHY, IF I AM SO INSIGNIFICANT AND UNIMPORTANT, DOES KENNY 
> LOOK FOR ME IN OTHER OFF TOPIC NG's TO GO TROLLING INTO?

Why, to promote you, of course. As you noted in a STORMFRONT
article, not too long ago:

	From: ChrIdent@cris.com (Ronald Schoedel)
	Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 13:39:33 -0500
	Subject: Re: Ken McOyVay (What?)
 
	Ken McOyVay is some whiny jew who thinks he's doing his 
     	side some immense good by giving folks like us free 
	publicity and advertising.  He's a real keen guy, really.  
	He's one of our best promoters!  Thanx Ken!

Since you have already acknowledged me (BTW, I'm a "whiny gentile,"
thank you very much) as a "real keen guy," and "one of your
best promoters," I'm amazed that you seem so confused at my
purpose in promoting your viewpoint.
 
> 3b) IF KENNY IS SO AGAINST NET-ABUSE AND WHAT I WRITE, WHY 
> WOULD HE POST IT INTO A COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC NG, KNOWING DAMN 
> WELL THAT HE WOULD BE OFFENDING PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T OTHERWISE 
> NEED TO READ THAT STUFF.

See above, "Reverend." I think it is perfectly clear.

> I am sure that kenny has answers to these, which I will 
> be eagerly awaiting

You have them, Mr. Schoedel.  I trust they have dealt with
your apparent confusion.



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