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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:32:50 -0500
From: (Jamie McCarthy)
Subject: Mr. Raven, please explain the contradiction
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Mr. Raven, I'm glad to see your recent spate of posts to Usenet, which
I interpret, I hope correctly, that you still believe Usenet to be a
forum appropriate for the discussion of the Holocaust and related
matters.  So I look forward to your response to this post.

You were interviewed by the L.A. Times for a story which saw print on
October 28, two weeks ago.  You were quoted as saying:

   "We do not deny the existence of the Holocaust," he said. "That's
   a lie put forth by our opposition. We do say the claims of the
   Holocaust have been exaggerated. We believe there was no Nazi plan
   to exterminate the Jews during World War II. We also believe there
   were no Nazi gas chambers, and we also believe that 6 million
   Jewish victims [of the Holocaust] is an irresponsible

You say (1) "6 million ... is an irresponsible exaggeration," (2) "no
Nazi plan," and (3) "no Nazi gas chambers."  You're being quite
consistent, since you explained your views in almost exactly the same
words on your first big entrance to the Internet, on Hitler's birthday,

The problem, Mr. Raven, is that you also define the term Holocaust as
(1) "the murder of six million Jews," (2) "as a central act of state by
the Nazis," (3) "many in gas chambers."

Since your statements about what you and your colleagues believe are in
direct and total opposition to your own definition of the word, how can
you also say "we do not deny the existence of the Holocaust"?

This is a very simple question which you have dodged over and over again
in the last two and a half years.  I would appreciate your response, if
you have one.  Since you have called my analysis a "lie," I believe you
at least owe it to me to explain your reasoning.

Before you answer, you may wish to review my collection of your words
and your colleagues' words on the subject, which is available at:

Posted;  emailed to Greg Raven;  please reply publicly.
 Jamie McCarthy        Co-Webmaster of

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