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Statutes of Limitation Pertaining to War Criminals in Israel
According to an AP release of August 29, 1995 and other wire services,
Israel is not going to prosecute self-admitted Israeli mass murderers
and war criminals who have confessed their deeds in public. The reason
given? The crimes occurred ". . .  too long ago". Readers of the
Zundel site will remember that Israel did not apply this reasoning
equally pertaining to the charges against John Demjanjuk.  Readers
will also remember that Jews in many countries mounted a series of
demonstrations outside German consulates
and embassies in 1965-1966 about extending the German statutes of
limitation until the then-German government caved in and extended
their statutes of limitations for another ten years.  In 1975-1976
this tactic was repeated, and the German statutes of limitation were
lifted entirely. Many people ask why "Nazi Hunters" Sol Littman of
Toronto and Rabbi Hier of the Wiesenthal Center do not now insist that
the Jewish state forthwith lift its statutes of limitation so its war
criminals can be brought to justice.


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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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              WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
                   By Dr. E. R. Fields

   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
actual took place.

              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP

   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
"extermination camp".

             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"

   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
2.8% in June 1943.
   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.

                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING

   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
believe in rumors of gassings.

   This brings up the following questions.
   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
MASS GASSINGS!
   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
died from typhus.
   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
1946.)

             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS

   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
died in his cell.
   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
smoking."
   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!

                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE

   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
"became immediately gaseous."
   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."

                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER

   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
which carry typhus.

               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS

   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>from  4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
stored at the camps for cremations.
   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
burning."
   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
ashes.
   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"

           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST

   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
systematic extermination in those camps."
   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."

                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN

   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
holocaust which never occurred?
   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
will cowtow to the Jews."
   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
victims.
   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
laws.

                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING

   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.

                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION

   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
Zionist political goals.

                 WHAT ABOUT REAL HOLOCAUSTS?

   Why doesn't the press, TV and film industry give massive
media attention to real victims to proven holocausts of Gentiles
in recent history.

            THE SOVIET-BOLSHEVIK HOLOCAUST OF CHRISTIANS:

RUSSIAN KULAK FARMERS (1928-1930) 15 million exterminated.
UKRANIAN FARMERS (1930-1933) 7 Million exterminated.
RUSSIAN POLITICAL PRISONERS (1919-1949) 12 million exterminated.
   Total peoples murdered by Lenin and Stalin. 34 million.
CAMBODIAN extermination 1975 2.5 million.
ARMENIAN extermination by the Turks, 1915, 1.5 million.
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For a very interesting presentation on the "Images of the Holocaust"
order the following tape from Scriptures For America, PO Box 766-c,
LaPorte, CO 80535, for a $4.00 offering:

__353  The Six Million Holocaust by Ernst Zundel - Canadian German
activist discusses the book & movie of fiction called Schindler's
List.
Mr. Zundel also talks about the images and scenes of the alledged
"holocaust" of the Jews and how these images have been used to portray
a
false version of history from the W.W. II era.

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[I have transcribed the following from the first page of a FAX:]


     When will THE TRUTH of THE HOLOCAUST, in all aspects,
(potentially the
'Expose of the Century') be forthcoming?


                           GAS CHAMBER FACTS

     Under oath during the Ernst Zundel trial in Canada, one of the
Holocaust authorities, Raul Hilberg, author of _The Destruction of the
European Jews_, pressed for scientific evidence of any kind about gas
chambers anywhere in Nazi-occupied territory, could but offer the
notorious
"I'm at a loss."  During the same trial another Holocaust authority,
Rudolf
Vrba, admitted the lies he told about gas chambers were errors "in
good
faith."  He confessed that his book, _I Cannot Forgive_, was "an
artistic
picture...not a document for a court."  He agreed that he had never
actually
witnessed anybody gassed to death, but had heard rumors!  He further
admitted that his written and pictorial description of Auschwitz
crematoria
were a result of guessing, based on "what I heard it might look like"
(Cf.
_Toronto Sun_, Jan. 24, 1985, p. 52).  Vrba turned out to be as big a
fraud
as Hilberg.


                       DIARY OF ANNE FRANK FACTS

     Laboratory tests have shown that portions of _The Diary of Anne
Frank_
were written with a ball point pen.  Ball point pens were not
available
before 1951.  It was concluded that those sections were added after
Anne's
death.

     The _Diary_ appears in some nine versions, not even counting the
English language editions.  The successive forms of the text of the
_Diary_,
exposed by Dr. Robert Faurisson (French specialist of text and
document
analysis), are as follows:

     I.  The manuscript of Anne Frank;
    II.  Copy by Otto Frank, then by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
   III.  New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;
    IV.  New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern;
     V.  New-new-new version by Otto Frank;
    VI.  New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors";
   VII.  Contact Edition (1947);
  VIII.  Lambert Schneider Edition (1950), radically different from
the
         proceeding one, and even incompatible with it;
    IX.  Fischer Edition (1955) taking up again the preceding one in a
         "discreetly" reworked and retouched form.

     No wonder the Zionists use every conceivable legal, economic,
political, defamatory and violent ploy to stop the questioning of THE
HOLOCAUST.  ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO AVOID OPEN DEBATE.





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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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Subject: Is the holocaust a HOAX?
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                         IS THE HOLOCAUST A HOAX?

Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be
convinced
that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.

Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and
fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers.
In
1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in
Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin.  Cyanide residue would be clearly
evident
on all these walls if gassings did occur.  To his astonishment,
Leuchter
found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove
Leuchter's
findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever
occurring.

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely
faulty.
These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically
sealed!  There are large gaps between the floors and doors.  If the
Germans
had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died
themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire
area.
Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these
buildings.  Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas
throughout
the chambers.  There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas
on
the walls, floors or ceilings.  No exhaust stacks have ever existed.

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one
body
has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning.  We
have
been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these
persons
died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of
those
were murdered Germans, not Jews.  Roughly the equivalent of ten
football
fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence,
yet
not one body has ever been discovered.

The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery
to
arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail
or
even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide.  All documents
ever
presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every
so-called
gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six
million
Jews!

Even _The Diary of Anne Frank_ is a hoax.  Portions of the diary were
written with a ball point pen.  These pens were not in use at the time
Anne
Frank lived.

It is not denied concentration camps existed.  Tragically, many died
of
typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations.  There is,
however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of
genocide.

Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as
retribution
for Holocaust gassings.  Our country has donated more money to Israel
than
to any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion
per
year, everything included.  If not for our extravagantly generous
gifts to
Israel, every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes
Benz.
Surely the American people would be outraged if they realized their
hard-earned money is being squandered in these difficult times.

With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why
this
Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded.  The Jewish name for Holocaust
is
"Shoah."  In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business."  If
nothing
else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist
influence and control of our country.  Their only defense against the
facts
is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the
majority of
those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you
would
never know it from the media.

In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth.  It
is
time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and
spend
our hard-earned dollars on Americans.

For more information contact:

     The Institute for Historical Review
     P.O. Box 2739
     Newport Beach, CA 92659
     United States of America

Written and distributed by a concerned private citizen.




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          66 Questions and Answers On The Holocaust 
 
       Published By The Institute For Historical Review 
     P.O. Box 1306 * Torrance, California 90505 * U.S.A. 
 
 
1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS? 
 
None. The only evidence is the testimony of individual
"Survivors." This  Testimony is contradictory, and no "survivor"
claims to have actually witnessed any gassing. There is no hard
evidence whatsoever: no mounds of ashes, no crematoria capable
of doing the job, no piles of clothes, no human soap, no lamp
shades made of human skin, no records, no demographic statistics.

2. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT SIX MILLION JEWS WERE NOT KILLED BY
THE NAZIS? 
 
Extensive evidence, including that of forensic, demographic,
analytical, and comparative nature, exists proving the
impossibility of such a figure. An exaggeration of, perhaps,
1000%. 
 
3. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE STATE IN WRITING THAT "THERE WERE NO
EXTERMINATION CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL"? 
 
Yes. In Books & Bookmen, April 1975 issue. He claims the
"gassing" of Jews took place in Poland. 
 
4. IF DACHAU WAS IN GERMANY AND EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL SAYS THAT
IT WAS NO AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF VETERANS IN
AMERICA SAY THAT IT WAS AN EXTERMINATION CAMP? 
 
Because after the Allies captured Dachau, thousands of G.I.s were
led through Dachau and shown buildings alleged to be gas
chambers, and because of the mass media widely, but falsely,
stated that Dachau was a "gassing" camp. 
 
5. AUSCHWITZ WAS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING HUMAN BEINGS EXISTED AT
OR IN AUSCHWITZ? 
 
No. A reward of $50,000 was offered for such proof, the money
being held in trust by a bank, but no one came up with any
credible evidence. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was
extensively modified after the war and mortuaries were
reconstructed to look like large "gas chambers." It is now a 
big tourist attraction for the communist Polish government. 
 
6. IF AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A "DEATH CAMP," WHAT WAS IT'S TRUE
PURPOSE? 
 
It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
(Buna) was made there, and its inmate were used as a work-force.
The Buna process was used in the U.S. during WWII. 
 
7. WHO SET UP THE FIRST CONCENTRATION CAMPS, AND WHERE AND WHEN?
 
The first use of concentration camps in the Western world was
apparently in America during the Revolutionary War. The British
interned thousands of Americans, many of whom died of disease
and beatings. Andrew Jackson and his brother -- who died -- were
two. Later the British set up concentration camps in South Africa
to hold Dutch women and children during their conquest of that 
country (The Boer War). Tens of thousands died in these
hell-holes, which were far worse than any German concentration
camp of WWII. 
 
8. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS
DURING WWII? 
 
Except for the name, the only significant difference was that the
Germans interned persons on the basis of being a real or
suspected threat to the German war effort, whereas the Americans
interned persons on the basis of race alone. 
 
9. WHY DID THE GERMANS INTERN JEWS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS? 
 
Because the Germans considered Jews a direct threat to their
national sovereignty and survival, and because Jews were
overwhelmingly represented in   communist subversion. However,
all suspected security risks -- not only Jews -- were in danger
of internment. 
 
10. WHAT EXTENSIVE MEASURE DID WORLD JEWRY UNDERTAKE AGAINST
GERMANY AS EARLY AS 1933? 
 
An international boycott of German goods. 

11. DID THE JEWS OF THE WORLD "DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY"? 
 
Yes. The world media carried the headlines, "Judea Declares War
on Germany." 
 12. WAS THIS BEFORE OR AFTER THE RUMORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS"
     BEGAN? 

Nearly six years before: Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. 
 
13. WHAT NATION IS CREDITED WITH BEING THE FIRST TO PRACTICE MASS
CIVILIAN BOMBING? 
 
Great Britain -- on May 11th, 1940. 
 
14. HOW MANY GAS CHAMBERS TO KILL PEOPLE WERE THERE AT AUSCHWITZ?
 
None. 

15. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS THAT CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
GERMANS BEFORE THE WAR? 
 
Less than four million. 

16. IF THE JEWS OF EUROPE WERE NOT EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS,
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM? 
 
After the war the Jews of Europe were still in Europe except for
perhaps 300,000 of them who had died of all causes during the
war, and those who had emigrated to Israel, the United States,
Argentina, Canada etc.. Most Jews who left Europe did so after,
not during, the war. They are all accounted for. 
 
17. HOW MANY JEWS FLED TO DEEP WITHIN THE SOVIET UNION? 
 
Over two million. The Germans did not have access to this Jewish
population. 
 
18. HOW MANY JEWS EMIGRATED PRIOR TO THE WAR, THUS BEING OUTSIDE
OF GERMAN REACH? 
 
Over a million (not including those absorbed by the USSR). 
 
19. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID THE
COMMANDANT, RUDOLF HOESS, CONFESS THAT IT WAS? 
 
Time honored methods were used to get him to tell his captors
what they wanted to hear. 

20. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT TORTURE WAS USED BY AMERICAN,
BRITISH, AND SOVIET CAPTORS TO FORCE "CONFESSIONS" OF GERMAN
OFFICIALS AFTER THE WAR? 
 
There is extensive evidence of torture having been used both
before and during the infamous Nuremberg trials -- and after, in
the case of other war crimes trials. 
 
21. HOW DOES THE "HOLOCAUST" STORY BENEFIT THE JEWS TODAY? 
 
It removes them from any criticism as a group. It provides a
"common bond" with which their leaders can control them. It is
instrumental in money-raising campaigns and to justify aid to
Israel, totaling about $10 billion a year. 
 
22. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE STATE OF ISRAEL? 
 
It justifies the billions of dollars in "reparations" the State
of Israel has received from West Germany (East Germany refused to
pay). It is used by the Zionist/Israeli lobby to control
American foreign policy toward Israel and to force American
taxpayers to put up all the money Israel wants. And the annual  
ante is growing each year. 
 
23. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT MANY CHRISTIAN CLERGYMEN? 
 
It correlates with the Old Testament idea of Jews being the
persecuted "Chosen  People". It also keeps the Israeli-controlled
"Holy Land" accessible to the clergy. 
 
24. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE COMMUNISTS? 
 
It hides the extent of their own war-mongering and atrocities
before, during, and after the War. 
 
25. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT BRITAIN? 
 
In the same way it benefits the Soviet Union. 
 
26. IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT HITLER KNEW OF A MASS
EXTERMINATION OF JEWS? 
 
No. 
 
27. WHAT KIND OF GAS WAS USED BY THE NAZIS IN CONCENTRATION
CAMPS? 
 
Zyklon-B, a hydrocyanic gas. 
 
28. FOR WHAT PURPOSE WAS, AND IS, THIS GAS MANUFACTURED? 
 
For the extermination of the typhus-bearing louse. It is used to
fumigate clothing and quarters. It is readily available today. 

29. WHY DID THEY USE THIS INSTEAD OF A GAS MORE SUITABLE FOR MASS
EXTERMINATION? 

If the Nazis had intended to use gas to exterminate people, far
more efficient gases were available. Zyklon-B is very inefficient
except when used as a fumigation agent. 

30. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FULLY VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED BY
ZYKLON-B? 
 
About 20 hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved and
technical. Gas masks have to be used and well-trained
technicians only are employed. 

31. AUSCHWITZ COMMANDANT HOESS SAID THAT HIS MEN WOULD ENTER THE
GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE THEM.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? 
 
It can't be explained because if they had done this they would
have suffered the same fate as the previous occupants. 

32. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION MEN WOULD SMOKE CIGARETTES AS
THEY PULLED THE DEAD JEWS OUT OF THE GAS CHAMBERS TEN MINUTES
AFTER GASSING. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE? 
 
Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false. 

33. WHAT WAS THE EXACT PROCEDURE THE NAZIS ALLEGEDLY USED TO
EXTERMINATE JEWS? 
 
The stories range from dropping the gas canisters into a crowded
room from a hole in the ceiling, to piping it through shower
heads. "Millions" of Jews are alleged to have been killed in this
manner. 

34. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET FROM THE
JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXTERMINATION? 
 
It couldn't have been kept secret. The fact is that there was no
such mass gassing anywhere. The rumors came from strictly Jewish
sources. 

35. IF THE JEWS SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION KNEW THE FATE IN STORE
FOR THEM, WHY DID THEY GO TO THEIR DEATH WITHOUT FIGHT OR
PROTEST? 
 
They didn't fight or protest simply because there was no
intention to kill them. They were simply interned and forced to
work. 
36. ABOUT HOW MANY JEWS DIED IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS? 
 
About 300,000 
 
37. HOW DID THEY DIE? 
 
Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
Europe during the period. Also from starvation and lack of
medical attention toward the end of the war when virtually all
road and rail transportation had been bombed out by the Allies. 

38. WHAT IS TYPHUS? 
 
The disease always appears when many people are jammed together
for long periods without bathing. It is carried by lice which
infest hair and clothes. Armies and navies have traditionally
required short haircuts on their men because of the danger of
typhus. Ironically, if the Germans had had more Zyklon-B, more
Jews might have survived life in the concentration camps. 
 
39. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IF SIX MILLION OR 300,000 JEWS DIED
DURING THIS AWESOME PERIOD? 
 
5,700,000. Besides -- and contrary to "Holocaust" propaganda --
there was no deliberate attempt to exterminate anyone. 
 
 
40. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW
BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE
WOULD HAVE TO BE USED TO PERFORM THIS? 
 
A great deal more than the Germans had access to as there was a
substantial fuel shortage at the time. 
 
41. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS? 
 
No! It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
flames in this manner, as not enough heat can be generated in
open pits. 
 
42. "HOLOCAUST" AUTHORS CLAIM THAT THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
BODIES IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A
BODY ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL CREMATOR OPERATORS? 
 
About -2 Hours-. 
 
WHY DID THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS? 
 
To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses created by
the typhus epidemics. 
  
44. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE CREMATORIES IN ALL THE
    CAMPS IN GERMAN CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM
    NUMBER OF CORPSES IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE
    DURING THE ENTIRE PERIOD SUCH CREMATORIUMS WERE IN OPERATION?

About 430,600. 
 
45. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% ALL OF THE TIME? 
 
No. 50% of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours per day.)
Cremator ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly when
in heavy operation. 
 
46. HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED CORPSE? 
 
After the bone is all ground down, about a shoebox-full. 
 
47. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE HAD BEEN INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
    HAPPENED TO THE ASHES? 
 
That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would produce
literally tons upon tons of ashes. Yet there is no evidence of
any large depositories of such ash. 
 
48. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ (DURING THE PERIOD WHEN
    THE "GAS CHAMBERS" AND CREMATORIA WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN FULL
    OPERATION) REVEAL GAS CHAMBERS? 
 
No. In fact, these photographs do not even reveal a trace of the
enormous amounts of smoke which were supposedly constantly over
the camp. Nor do they evidence the "open pits" in which bodies
were allegedly burned. 
 
49. WHAT WAS THE MAIN PROVISION OF THE GERMAN "NUREMBERG LAWS" OF
1935? 
 
Laws against intermarriage and sexual relations between Germans
and Jews similar to laws existing in Israel today. 
 
50. WERE THERE ANY AMERICAN PRECEDENTS FOR THE NUREMBERG LAWS? 
 
Many states in the U.S.A. had laws preventing intermarriage and
sexual relations between persons of different races long before
the Nazis. 
 
51. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO REPORT WITH
    REGARD TO THE "HOLOCAUST" QUESTION? 
A report on the visit of an IRC delegate to Auschwitz in
September of 1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to
receive packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be
verified. 

52. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME THE SIX
    MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN EXTERMINATED? 
 
If there had been an extermination plan, the Vatican would most
certainly have been in a position to know. But since there was
none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against it. 
 
53. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT HITLER KNEW OF THE ON-GOING
JEWISH EXTERMINATION? 
 
None. 
  
54. DID THE NAZIS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE? 
 
Yes. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews from Europe
and maintained friendly relations throughout the war. 
 
56. WHAT CAUSED ANNE FRANK'S DEATH JUST SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE THE
    END OF THE WAR? 
 
Typhus. 
 
57. IS THE ANNE FRANK DIARY GENUINE? 

No, the evidence compiled by Ditlieb Felderer of Sweden and Dr.
Robert Faurisson of France proves conclusively that the famous
diary is a literary hoax.  
 
57. WHAT ABOUT THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FOOTAGE TAKEN IN THE
    GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING PILES OF EMACIATED
    CORPSES? ARE THESE FAKED? 
 
Photographs can be faked, Yes. But it is far easier merely to add
a caption or a comment to a photo or piece of footage that does
not tell the truth about what the photo or film really shows.
Does a pile of emaciated corpses mean that these people were
"gassed" or deliberately starved to death? Or could this mean
that these people were victims of a raging typhus epidemic or
starved due to the lack of food in the camps towards the end of
the war? Pictures of piles of German women and children killed in
Allied bombing raids have been passed off as dead Jews. 
 
57. WHO ORIGINATED THE TERM "GENOCIDE"? 
 
Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, in a book which appeared in 1944. 
 
59. WERE FILMS SUCH AS "HOLOCAUST" AND "THE WINDS OF WAR"
    DOCUMENTARY FILMS? 
 
No, the films do not claim to be history, rather fictional
dramatizations based on history. Unfortunately, all too many
people have taken them to be accurate representations of history
as it really happened. 
 
60. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
    ASPECT OF THE STANDARD CLAIMS MADE ABOUT THE "HOLOCAUST"? 
 
At least 60. More are in process of production. 
 
61. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN A HISTORICAL INSTITUTE OFFERED $50,000 TO
    ANYONE WHO COULD PROVE THAT JEWS WERE GASSED AT AUSCHWITZ? 
 
No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward, but the
institute was sued for $17 million by a "Holocaust" survivor who
claims the reward offer caused him to lose sleep, caused his
business to suffer, and represented "injurious denial of an
established fact". 
 
62. WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT THOSE WHO QUESTION THE "HOLOCAUST"
    ARE ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZI? 
 
This is a smear designed to draw attention away from the facts
and honest arguments. Scholars who refute "Holocaust" claims are
of all persuasions -- Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians,
Socialists, Christians, Jews etc.. There is no correlation
between "Holocaust" refutation and anti-Semitism or Neo-Nazism.
As a mater of fact, there are increasing numbers of Jewish
scholars who openly admit that evidence for the "Holocaust" is
severely lacking. 
 
63. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE HISTORIANS WHO HAVE QUESTIONED
"HOLOCAUST" MATERIAL? 
 
They have been subject to smear campaigns, loss of academic
positions, loss of pensions, destructions of their property and
physical violence. 
 
64. HAS THE INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW SUFFERED ANY
RETALIATION FOR IT'S EFFORTS TO UPHOLD THE RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF
SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM? 
 
The IHR has been bombed three times and picketed twice, with
demonstrators from the Jewish Defense League flying the Israeli
flag and shouting death threats. Death threats by telephone are
virtually a daily occurrence. All newspaper coverage is hostile
if there is any coverage at all. 
 
65. WHY IS THERE SO LITTLE PUBLICITY FOR YOUR POINT OF VIEW? 

Because for political reasons the Establishment does not want any
in-depth discussion about the facts discussing the "Jewish
Holocaust" myth. 
 
66. WHERE CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE "OTHER SIDE" OF
THE "HOLOCAUST"  STORY AS WELL AS FACTS CONCERNING OTHER AREAS OF
WWII HISTORICAL REVISIONISM? 
 
The Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 1306, Torrance, Ca.
90505 carries a wide variety of books, cassette and video tapes
on significant historical subjects. 
 














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                  Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus...
                    The "Human Soap" Holocaust Myth

     After years of stonewalling, both the _New York Times_
(December  21, 1991) and the _Washington Post_ (January 15, 1992)
now editorially acknowledge that it is both ethical and
permissible to debate the historical issues surrounding the
Holocaust story.

     The nation's two premier newspapers thus reject statements
by officials of major Jewish organizations and of many American
colleges and universities, who are still not willing to admit
that a First Amendment issue is involved here, and that freedom
of speech and freedom of inquiry pertain even to the Holocaust
controversy. 
     On campus, the free speech issue is this: Should college
students be granted the rights of adults and allowed free access
to Revisionist scholarship on the Holocaust, or should students
be treated as children, protected from radical scholarship out of
fear that with new understanding they might help undermine a
"politically correct" view of contemporary history?

     For half a century now historians have told us that during
World War II the Nazis had a policy to exterminate the Jews of
Europe, along with homosexuals and Gypsies. We are told that
millions were "gassed" at German camps such as Auschwitz and
Treblinka.

     We have been told that the ghastly process of mass murder
was also carried out in Belzec, Buchenwald and Sobibor. And
aren't there thousands of survivors who "escaped the gas ovens"
and swear that all this is true?

     And didn't the Nazis make lamp shades from human skin, and
manufacture soap from the fat of exterminated Jews?  Of course,
you may answer, everyone knows it. After all, aren't such bars of
"Jewish soap" on display in museums in Israel and other
countries? How can there be any doubt?

     "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus," or "false in one thing,
false in everything," was a Roman legal principle. If a witness
may not be believed in one thing, he should not be believed in
anything. This principle is as valid today as it was two thousand
years ago. 

     With this in mind, I invite you to read the essay below,
condensed from an article by historian Mark Weber that originally
appeared in the Summer 1991 issue of _The Journal of Historical
Review_. I urge you to consider whether any of the individuals or
institutions that have contributed to the perpetuation of the
debasing "human soap" hoax deserve to be believed about anything
they say about the "Holocaust." 
                                                -Bradley R. Smith
_________________________________________________________________
______ 
                             "Jewish Soap"
                             By Mark Weber

     NEARLY EVERYONE HAS HEARD that the Germans killed six
million Jews  in Europe during the Second World War. Television,
motion pictures, newspapers and magazines hammer away on this
theme.

                          Revisionist Scholars

     In recent decades, though, more and more "Revisionist"
historians have been challenging the widely accepted
extermination story. 
     Revisionists do not "deny the Holocaust."  They acknowledge
that large numbers of Jews were stripped of their rights and
property, cruelly deported to horrible concentration camps and
ghettos, and that many hundreds of thousands of Jews died or were
killed during the Second World War. At the same time, though,
Revisionist scholars point out that numerous Holocaust stories
that were once accepted as true have been quietly abandoned in
recent years.

                             A Lurid Story

     One of the most lurid Holocaust claims is the story that the
Germans manufactured soap from the bodies of their victims.
Although a similar charge during the First World War was exposed
as a hoax almost immediately afterwards, it was nevertheless
revived and widely believed during the Second.

     More important, this accusation was "proved" at the main
Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, and has been authoritatively
endorsed by numerous historians in the decades since. In recent
years, though, as part of a broad retreat from the most obviously
untenable aspects of the "orthodox" extermination story,
Holocaust historians have grudgingly conceded that the human soap
tale is a wartime propaganda lie. 

     In their retreat, though, these historians have tried to
dismiss the soap story as a mere wartime "rumor," neglecting to
mention that international Jewish organizations, and then Allied
governments, endorsed and sanctioned this libelous canard.

     Wartime rumors that the Germans were manufacturing soap from
the corpses of slaughtered Jews were based in part on the fact
that soap bars distributed by German authorities in Jewish
ghettos and camps bore the impressed initials "RIF," which many
took to stand for "Rein judisches Fett" or "Pure Jewish Fat." (It
did not seem to matter that the letters were "RIF" and not
"RJF.") These rumors spread so widely in 1941 and 1942 that by
late 1942 German authorities in Poland and Slovakia were
expressing official concern about their impact. 
     According to a Polish source quoted in a secret wartime U.S.
Army military intelligence report, for example, the Germans were
operating a "human soap factory" in 1941 at Turek, Poland. "The
Germans had brought thousands of Polish teachers, priests and
Jews there and after extracting the blood serum from their
bodies, had thrown them on large pots and melted off grease to
make soap," the intelligence report added.

                             War Propaganda

     In spite of its inherently incredible character, the soap
story became an important feature of Allied war propaganda. Rabbi
Stephen S. Wise, wartime head of both the World Jewish Congress
and the American Jewish Congress, publicly charged in November
1942 that Jewish corpses were being "processed into such
war-vital commodities as soap, fats and fertilizer" by the
Germans. He further announced that the Germans were "even
exhuming the dead for the value of the corpses," and were paying
fifty marks for each body.

     In late 1942, the _Congress Weekly_, published by the
American Jewish Congress, editorialized that the Germans were
turning Jews "by scientific methods of dissolution into
fertilizer, soap and glue."  An article in the same issue
reported that Jewish deportees from France and Holland were being
processed into "soap, glue and train oil" in at least two special
factories in Germany. Typical of many other American periodicals,
the influential _New Republic_ reported in early 1943 that the
Germans were "using the bodies of their Jewish victims to make
soap and fertilizer in a factory at Siedlce."

     After the war the soap story was given important legitimacy
at the main Nuremberg trial.  L. N. Smirnov, Chief Counsellor of
Justice for the USSR, declared to the Tribunal:

     ...The same base, rationalized SS technical minds which      
created gas chambers and murder vans, began devising such      
methods of complete annihilation of human bodies, which      
would not only conceal the traces of their crimes, but also to
serve in the manufacturing of certain products. In the Danzig
Anatomical Institute, semi-industrial experiments in the
production of soap from human bodies and the tanning of human
skin for industrial purposes were carried out. 

     Smirnov quoted at length from an affidavit by Sigmund Mazur,
an Institute employee, which was accepted as Nuremberg exhibit
USSR-197. It alleged that Dr. Rudolf Spanner, the head of the
Danzig Institute, had ordered the production of soap from corpses
in 1943. According to Mazur's affidavit, Dr. Spanner's operation
was of interest to high- ranking German officials. Education
Minister Bernhard Rust and Health Leader Dr. Leonardo Conti, as
well as professors from other medical institutes, came to witness
Spanner's efforts. Mazur also claimed to have used the "human
soap" to wash himself and his laundry. 

     A human soap "recipe," allegedly prepared by Dr. Spanner
(Nuremberg document USSR-196), was also presented. Finally, a
sample of what was supposed to be a piece of "human soap" was
submitted to the Nuremberg Tribunal as exhibit USSR-393.

     In his closing address to the Tribunal, chief British
prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross echoed his Soviet colleague: "On
occasion, even the bodies of their [the Germans'] victims were
used to make good the wartime shortage of soap."  And in their
final judgment, the Nuremberg Tribunal judges found that
"attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of the
victims in the commercial manufacture of soap." 

     It is worth emphasizing here that the "evidence" presented
at the Nuremberg Tribunal for the bogus soap story was no less
substantial than the "evidence" presented for the claims of mass
extermination in "gas chambers."  At least in the former case, an
actual sample of soap supposedly made from corpses was submitted
in evidence.

                        Witnesses and Historians

     After the war, supposed Holocaust victims were solemnly
buried, in the form of soap bars, in Jewish cemeteries. In 1948,
for example, four such bars wrapped in a funeral shroud were
ceremoniously buried according to Jewish religious ritual at the
Haifa cemetery in Israel. Other bars of "Jewish soap" have been
displayed as grim Holocaust relics in Israel and other countries.

     Numerous Jews who lived in German ghettos and camps during
the war helped keep the soap story alive many years later. Neese
Godin, for one, was transferred from a ghetto in Lithuania to the
Stutthof concentration camp in the spring of 1944. In a 1983
interview, she recalled her arrival there:

     That day they gave us a shower and a piece of soap.  After   
   the war we found out the soap was made out of pure Jew fat,    
  Rein Juden Fett, marked in the initials on the soap that I      
washed with. For all I know sometimes maybe there was a little    
  bit of my father's fat in that soap that I washed with.  How    
  do you think I feel when I think about that?

     Mel Mermelstein, the former Auschwitz inmate who was
featured in a sensationalized April 1991 cable television movie
"Never Forget," declared in a 1981 sworn deposition that he and
other camp inmates used soap bars made from human fat. It was an
"established fact," he insisted, that the soap he washed with was
made from Jewish bodies. 

     Renowned "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal repeated the soap
tale in a series of articles published in 1946 in the Austrian
Jewish community paper _Der Neue Weg_. In the first of these he
wrote:

     During the last weeks of March the Romanian press reported   
   an unusual piece of news: In the small Romanian city of      
Folticeni twenty boxes of soap were buried in the Jewish      
cemetery with full ceremony and complete funeral rites. This      
soap had been found recently in a former German army depot.       
On the boxes were the initials RIF, "Pure Jewish Fat." These      
boxes were destined for the Waffen-SS. The wrapping paper      
revealed with completely cynical objectivity that this soap      
was manufactured from Jewish bodies. Surprisingly, the      
thorough Germans forgot to describe whether the soap was      
produced from children, girls, men or elderly persons. 

     In another article he observed: "The production of soap from
human fat is so unbelievable that even some who were in
concentration camps find it difficult to comprehend."

     Over the years, numerous supposedly reputable historians
have promoted the durable soap story. Journalist-historian
William L. Shirir, for example, repeated it in his best-selling
work, _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_. Leading Soviet war
propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg wrote in his postwar memoir: "I have
held in my hand a cake of soap stamped with the legend 'pure
Jewish soap', prepared from the corpses of people who had been
destroyed. But there is no need to speak of these things:
thousands of books have been written about them."

     A standard history studies textbook used in Canadian
secondary schools, _Canada: The Twentieth Century_, told students
that Germans "boiled" the corpses of their Jewish victims "to
make soap."  _The Anatomy of Nazism_, a booklet published and
distributed by the Zionist "Anti-Defamation League" of B'nai
B'rith, stated: "The process of brutalization did not end with
the mass murders themselves. Large quantities of soap were
manufactured from the corpses of those murdered."

                        Acknowledging the Truth

     In spite of all the apparently impressive evidence, the
charge that the Germans manufactured soap from human beings is a
falsehood, as Holocaust historians are now belatedly
acknowledging. The "RIF" soap bar initials that supposedly stood
for "Pure Jewish Fat" actually indicated nothing more sinister
than "Reich Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning"
("Reichsstelle fur Industrielle Fettversorgung"), a German agency
responsible for wartime production and distribution of soap and
washing products. RIF soap was a poor quality substitute that
contained no fat at all, human or otherwise.

     Shortly after the war the public prosecutor's office of
Flensburg, Germany, began legal proceedings against Dr. Rudolf
Spanner for his alleged role in producing human soap at the
Danzig Institute. But after an investigation the charge was
quietly dropped. In a January 1968 letter, the office stated that
its inquiry had determined that no soap from human corpses was
made at the Danzig Institute during the war.

                           Revising the Record

     More recently, Jewish historian Walter Laqueur "denied
established history" by acknowledging in his 1980 book, _The
Terrible Secret_, that the human soap story has no basis in
reality.  Gitta Sereny, another Jewish historian, noted in her
book _Into That Darkness_: "The universally accepted story that
the corpses were used to make soap and fertilizer is finally
refuted by the generally very reliable Ludwigsburg Central
Authority for Investigation into Nazi Crimes." Deborah Lipstadt,
a professor of modern Jewish history, similarly "rewrote history"
when she confirmed in 1981: "The fact is that the Nazis never
used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the
production of soap."

     In April 1990, professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew
University, regarded as a leading Holocaust historian, as well as
Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Veshem
Holocaust center, confirmed that the human soap story is not
true. Camp inmates "were prepared to believe any horror stories
about their persecutors," Bauer said. At the same time, though,
he blamed the legend on "the Nazis."

     In fact, blame for the soap story lies rather with
individuals such as Simon Wiesenthal and Stephen Wise,
organizations like the World Jewish Congress, and the victorious
Allied powers, none of whom has ever apologized for promoting
THIS vile falsehood.

     Why did Bauer and Krakowski decide that this was the
appropriate time to officially abandon the soap story? Krakowski
himself hinted that a large part of the motivation for this
"tactical retreat" was to save what's left of the sinking
Holocaust ship by throwing overboard the most obvious falsehoods.
In the face of the growing Revisionist challenge, more easily
demonstrable falsehoods like the soap story have become dangerous
embarrassments because they raise doubts about the entire
Holocaust story. As Krakowski put it: "Historians have concluded
that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people deny
the Holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use
against the truth?"

     The bad faith of those making this calculated and belated
concession to truth is shown by their failure to note that the
soap myth was authoritatively "confirmed" at Nuremberg, and by
their unwillingness to deal with the implications of that
confirmation for the credibility of the Tribunal and other
supposedly trustworthy authorities in establishing other, more
fundamental aspects of the Holocaust story.

     The striking contrast between the prompt postwar disavowal
by the British government of the infamous "human soap" lie of the
First World War, and the way in which a similarly baseless
propaganda story from the Second World War was officially
endorsed by the victorious Allied powers and then authoritatively
maintained for so many years not only points up a dispiriting
lack of integrity on the part of so many Western historians, but
suggests a general decline in Western ethical standards during
this century.

     The "human soap" story demonstrates anew the tremendous
impact that a wartime rumor, no matter how fantastic, can have
once it has taken hold, particularly when it is disseminated as a
propaganda lie by influential individuals and powerful
organizations. That so many intelligent and otherwise thoughtful
people could ever have seriously believed that the Germans
distributed bars of soap brazenly labeled with letters indicating
that they were manufactured from Jewish corpses shows how readily
even the most absurd Holocaust fables can be -- and are --
accepted as fact.  -=End





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Martin Luther: 
 
Protestant Reformer Speaks out on Zionism 
 
 
Martin Luther - the 16th c. German religious reformer is well 
known for his confrontations with corruption in the papacy of the
time. But, censors have long suppressed his direct attack on 
Talumidic Judaism (Zionism). 
	 
	"They are the real liars and bloodhounds, who have not only
perverted and falsified the entire scriptures from beginning to 
end and without ceasing with their interpretations. And all of 
the anxious sighing, longing and hoping of their hearts is 
directed to the time when some day they would like to deal with
us heathen as they dealt with the heathen in Persia at the time
of 
Esther... On how they love that book Esther, which so nicely 
agrees with their bloodthirsty, revengeful and murderous desire 
and hope! 
	The sun never did shine on a more bloodthirsty and 
revengeful people as they, who imagine to be the people of God, 
and who desire to and think they must murder and crush the 
heathen. And the foremost undertaking which they expect of their

Messiah is that he should slay and murder the whole world with 
the sword. As they at first demonstrated against us Christians 
and would like to do now, if they only could; have also tried it

often and have been repeatedly struck on their snouts... 
	Their breath stinks for the gold and silver of the heathen;

since no people under the sun always have been, still are, as can

be noticed in their cursed usury. They also find comfort with 
this: "When Messiah comes, He shall take all the gold and silver
in the world and distribute it among the Jews.  Thus, wherever 
they can direct Scripture to their insatiable avarice, they 
wickedly do so. 
	Therefore know, my dear Christians, that next to the Devil,
you have no more bitter, more poisonous, more vehement an enemy 
than a real Jew who earnestly desires to be a Jew... 
	A person who does not know the Devil, might wonder why they
are so at enmity with the Christians above all others; for which
they have no reason, since we only do good to them. They live 
among us in our homes, under our protection, use land and 
highways, market and streets. Princes and government sit by, 
snore and have their maws open, let the Jews take from their 
purse and chest, steal and rob whatever they will. That is, they
permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry
and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of
the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have 
nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They
do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate 
or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are 
lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile! 
	If a thief steals ten gulden he must hang; if he robs people
on the highway, his head is gone. But a Jew, when he steals ten 
tons of gold through his usury is dearer than God himself! 
	Do not their Talmud and rabbis write it is no sin to kill if
a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in 
Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. 
Therefore to steal and rob (as they do with their moneylending) 
>from  a heathen, is a divine service... And they are the masters 
of the world and we are their servants - yea, their cattle! 
	I maintain that in three fables of Aesop their is more 
wisdom to be found than in all the books of the Talmudists and 
rabbis and more than ever could come into the hearts of the 
Jews... 
	Should someone think I am saying too much - I am saying much
too little! For I see in writings how they curse us Goyim and 
wish us all evil in their schools and prayers. They rob us of our
money through usury, and whenever they are able, they play us all
manner of mean tricks... No heathen has done such things and none
would do so except the Devil himself and those whom he possesses
- as he possesses the Jews. 	Burgensis, who was a very learned
rabbi among them and by the grace of God became a Christian
(which seldom occurs), is much moved that in their schools they
so horribly curse us Christians (as Lyra also writes) and from
that draws the conclusion that they must not be a people of God.
	Now behold what a nice, thick, fat lie it is when they 
complain about being captives among us! Jerusalem was destroyed 
more than 1400 years ago and during that time we Christians have
been tortured and persecuted by the Jews in all the world. On top
of that, we do not know to this day what Devil brought them into
our country. We did not fetch from Jerusalem! ... Yes, we have 
and hold them captive, as I would like to keep my rheumatism, and
all other diseases and misfortunes, who must wait as a poor 
servant, with money and property and everything I have! I wish 
they were in Jerusalem with the other Jews and whomsoever they 
would like to have with them. 
	Now what are we going to do with these rejected, condemned 
people? ... Let us apply the ordinary wisdom of other nations 
like France, Spain, Bohemia, et al., who made them give an 
account of what they had stolen through usury, and divided it 
evenly; but expelled them from their country. For as heard 
before, God's wrath is so great over them that through soft mercy
they only become more wicked, through hard treatment, however, 
only a little better. Therefore, away with them!  
	How much more unbearable is it that we should permit the 
entire Christendom and all of us to be bought with our own money,
be slandered and cursed by the Jews, who on top of all that be 
made rich and our lords, who laugh us to scorn and are tickled by
their audacity! 
	What a joyful affair that would be for the Devil and his 
angels, and cause them to laugh through their snouts like a sow 
grinning at her little pigs, but deserving real wrath before God.
(Von Juden und Ihren Lugen) 
	Maybe mild-hearted and gentle Christians will believe that I
am too rigorous and drastic against the poor, afflicted Jews, 
believing that I ridicule them and treat them with too much 
sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to be able to ridicule 
such a satanic brood. I would fain do so, but they are far 
greater adepts at mockery than I and possess a god who is master
in this art. It is the evil one himself.  
              



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>From  _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 5, Number 1 (Spring
1984):


                  The Sleight-of-Hand of Simon Wiesenthal
                     "Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus"

                        Mark Weber and Keith Stimely



For many years Simon Wiesenthal has made a highly successful career
for
himself as the world's foremost "Nazi hunter."  The American mass
media have
elevated him to secular sainthood and the U.S. Congress awarded him a
special gold medal.

   In reality Wiesenthal is a proven liar.  The most infamous example
was
his charge that an elderly Polish refugee living in Chicago, Frank
Walus,
was a Gestapo official responsible for killing Jews during the Second
World
War.  Only a long and costly court battle by an unusually tenacious
attorney
saved Walus from almost certain death.  The government prosecutors
were
forced to drop their case ignominously.  The popular Chicago _Weekly
Reader_
and the highly respected _Chicago Lawyer_ published devastating
expose~s of
Wiesenthal's role in the frame-up of Walus.  Eventually even the
Washington
_Post_ acknowledged his sordid role in the affair.

   In Canada, the Toronto _Sun_, commenting on another "war criminal"
case
in which Wiesenthal was involved, and the accused finally determined
to be
innocent, editorialized:  "It seems that material provided by
professional
Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal is wrong, but repeated [by the print and
broadcast media] anyway."

   Recently yet another example of Wiesenthal's blatant distortion of
historical truth came to light.

   In 1946 Wiesenthal published a book in Austria entitled _KZ
Mauthausen_
[Concentration Camp Mauthausen].  It consists mainly of mediocre
sketches by
the young "Nazi hunter" purporting to represent the horrors of the
Mauthausen concentration camp.  One of the drawings depicts three
Mauthausen
inmates bound to posts who had apparently been sadistically put to
death by
the Germans.  Another graphic example of murderous Nazi treatment of
inmates!

   Actually, the sketch is completely phoney.

   In January 1945 _Life_ magazine published a series of photos
graphically
recording the firing-squad execution of three German soldiers who had
been
caught operating as spies behind the lines during the "Battle of the
Bulge."
Photographer Johnny Florea recorded the execution in December 1944
near
Bastogne.  The three soldiers died "singing patriotic German songs,"
_Life_
reported.

   In its issue of 16 December 1983 the West German weekly newspaper
_Deutsche National-Zeitung_ published the _Life_ photos and the
Wiesenthal
sketch together.  Even a quick comparison makes clear beyond any doubt
that
the "Nazi hunter" HAD COPIED HIS DRAWING FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
Wiesenthal's
gruesome depiction of German barbarism in Mauthausen is actually the
deceitful product of his malicious mind.

   Another example of the generally spurious character of Wiesenthal's
1946
Mauthausen book is his citation therein of the supposed "death bed"
confession of Commandant Franz Ziereis that FOUR MILLION [sic] inmates
were
gassed to death at the Hartheim satellite camp.  Along with Dachau,
Ravensbrueck, and Buchenwald, "Holocaust" historians no longer even
mention
Mauthausen as a "death camp" or gassing center.  According to the
official
tourist brochure now distributed at the camp, a total of only 206,000
persons WERE EVER INMATES at Mauthausen and its satellite camps.

   Question:  How long can a self-respecting world continue to even
put up
with, let along shower honors on, this man Simon Wiesenthal -- one of
the
biggest lying fakers of our age?


[Three photographs, with the following caption:]

     Above:  "Life" magazine in January 1945 published these photos of
three
     German soldiers shot by their American captors during the Battle
of the
     Bulge.  [Photographs reproduced in file EXECUTED.GIF]


[Illustration with the following caption:]

     YES, VIRGINIA:  WIESENTHAL DOES LIE
        Above:  Simon Wiesenthal's drawing (from his book "KZ
Mauthausen,"
     1946) depicting three murdered inmate victims of German barbarity
in
     the concentration camp of Mauthausen.  Note the striped inmate
garb on
     the figures.  But did Wiesenthal really see this in Mauthausen?
     Compare this drawing and the three photos on the facing page and
you
     will know what Wiesenthal drew from.
        With all his talk about the "millions" of victims of Nazi
brutality,
     why is it that Simon Wiesenthal couldn't seem to find any of
those for
     his graphic deptiction of such brutality?  Why did he have to
resort to
     copying from a scene of GERMAN VICTIMS of AMERICAN EXECUTION?
     [Illustration reproduced in file SIMONLIE.GIF]


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                 SIMON WIESENTHAL: Bogus "Nazi Hunter"

                             by Mark Weber


     Simon Wiesenthal is a living legend.  In a formal White House
ceremony in August 1980, a teary-eyed President Carter presented the
world's foremost "Nazi hunter" with a special gold medal awarded by
the
U.S. Congress.  President Reagan praised him in November 1988 as one
of
the "true heroes" of this century.

     He is the recipient of West Germany's highest decoration, and one
of the world's most important Holocaust organizations bears his name:
the Simon Wiesenthal Center of Los Angeles.

     He was portrayed in flattering terms by the late Laurence Olivier
in the 1978 film fantasy "The Boys From Brazil," and by Ben Kingsley
in
the April 1989 made-for-television movie "The Murderers Among Us: The
Simon Wiesenthal Story."

     Wiesenthal's reputation is undeserved.  The man known as the
"Holocaust's Avenging Angel" has a well-documented record of reckless
disregard for truth.  He has lied about his own wartime experiences,
misrepresented his postwar "Nazi-hunting" achievements, and has spread
vile falsehoods about alleged German atrocities.  He is certainly no
moral authority.

                       Fraudulent "Nazi Hunter"

     Wiesenthal's reputation as the world's foremost "Nazi Hunter" is
completely undeserved.  His greatest achievement in more than thirty
years of searching for "Nazi criminals" was his alleged role in
locating and capturing Adolf Eichmann.  (Eichmann headed the wartime
SS
Jewish Affairs department.  He was kidnapped by Israeli agents in
Buenos Aires in 1960 and was hanged in Jerusalem after a trial that
received worldwide media attention.)

     But Isser Harel, the Israeli official who headed the team that
captured Eichmann, has declared unequivocally that Wiesenthal had
"absolutely nothing" to do with the capture.  "All the information
supplied by Wiesenthal before and in anticipation of the operation was
utterly worthless, and sometimes even misleading and of negative
value," Harel says.  (Harel is a former head of both the Mossad and
Shin Bet, Israel's foreign and domestic security agencies.)  In
addition, Arnold Forster, general counsel of the Anti- Defamation
League of B'nai B'rith, the influential Zionist organization, reported
in his book _Square One_ that just before the Israelis seized Eichmann
in Argentina, Wiesenthal was placing him in both Japan and Saudi
Arabia.

     One of Wiesenthal's most spectacular cases involved a Chicago man
named Frank Walus.  In a letter dated Dec. 10, 1974, he charged that
Walus "delivered Jews to the Gestapo" in Czestochowa and Kielce in
Poland during the war.  This letter prompted the U.S. government's
investigation and legal campaign against Walus.  The _Washington Post_
dealt with the case in a May 1981 article entitled "The Nazi Who Never
Was: How a witchhunt by judge, press and investigators branded an
innocent man a war criminal."  The lengthy piece, which was
copyrighted
by the American Bar Association, reported:

*      In January 1977, the United States government accused a     *
* Chicagoan named Frank Walus of having committed atrocities in    *
* Poland during World War II.                                      *
*                                                                  *
*      In the following years, this retired factory worker went    *
* into debt in order to raise more than $60,000 to defend himself. *
* He sat in a courtroom while 11 Jewish survivors of the Nazi      *
* occupation of Poland testified that they saw him murder          *
* children, an old woman, a young woman, a hunchback and others... *
*                                                                  *
*      Overwhelming evidence shows that Walus was not a Nazi war   *
* criminal, that he was not even in Poland during World War II.    *
*                                                                  *
*      ...In an atmosphere of hatred and loathing verging on       *
* hysteria, the government persecuted an innocent man.             *
*                                                                  *
*      In 1974, Simon Wiesenthal, the famous "Nazi hunter" of      *
* Vienna, denounced Walus as "a Pole in Chicago who performed      *
* duties with the Gestapo in the ghettos of Czestochowa and Kielce *
* and handed over a number of Jews to the Gestapo."                *

     In other words, even though Wiesenthal's "reports" about Walus
were actually nothing more than empty rumors, the "Nazi hunter" went
ahead and denounced him anyway.

     In April 1978, during a period when the case was under
advisement,
Wiesenthal visited Chicago and gave interviews taking credit for the
Walus case.  "How Nazi-Hunter Helped Find Walus," was the headline in
the daily _Sun-Times_ newspaper.  Wiesenthal told the paper that he
"never had a case of mistaken identity," and added: "I know there are
thousands of people who wait for my mistake."

     It was only after an exhausting legal battle that the man who was
vilified and physically attacked as "the butcher of Kielce" was
finally
able to prove that he had spent the war years as a peaceful farm
laborer in Germany.  Wiesenthal's irresponsible and reckless behavior
in the Walus case should have been enough to permanently discredit him
as a reliable investigator.  But his Teflon reputation survived even
this.

                          Wrong About Mengele

     Much of the Wiesenthal myth is based on his hunt for Josef
Mengele, the wartime physician at Auschwitz known as the "Angel of
Death."  Time and time again, Wiesenthal claimed to be close on
Mengele's heels.  Wiesenthal reported that his informant had "seen" or
"just missed" the elusive physician in Peru, Chile, Brazil, Spain,
Greece, and half a dozen locations in Paraguay.

     One of the closest shaves came in the summer of 1960.  Wiesenthal
reported that Mengele had been hiding out on a small Greek island,
from
where he escaped by just a few hours.  Wiesenthal continued to peddle
the story, complete with precise details, even after a reporter whom
he
had hired to check it out informed him that the tale was false from
beginning to end.

     Mengele regularly dined at the finest restaurants in Asuncion,
the
Paraguayan capital, Wiesenthal said in 1977, and supposedly drove
around the city with a bevy of armed guards in his black Mercedes
Benz.
 Wiesenthal announced in 1985 that he was "100 per cent sure" that
Mengele had been hiding out in Paraguay until at least June 1984, and
charged that the Mengele family in West Germany knew exactly where.
As
it turned out, Wiesenthal was completely wrong.  It was later
definitely established that Mengele had died in 1979 in Brazil, where
he had been living for years in anonymous poverty.

     In truth, the bulging Mengele file in Wiesenthal's Vienna
"Documentation Center" was such a jumble of useless information that,
in the words of the London _Times_, it "only sustained his
self-confirmatory myths and gave scant satisfaction to those who
apparently needed a definitive answer to Mengele's fate."  Even
Israel's former ambassador to Paraguay, Benjamin Varon, cautiously
criticized the phony Mengele campaign in 1983: "Wiesenthal makes
periodic statements that he is about to catch him, perhaps since
Wiesenthal must raise funds for his activities and the name Mengele is
always good for a plug."

                            "Human Soap"

     Wiesenthal has given circulation and credence to one of the most
scurrilous Holocaust stories, the charge that the Germans manufactured
soap from the corpses of murdered Jews.  According to this tale, the
letters "RIF" in bars of German-made soap allegedly stood for "Pure
Jewish Fat" ("Rein judisches Fett").  In reality, the initials stood
for "National Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning" ("Reichsstelle
fur industrielle Fettversorgung").

     Wiesenthal promoted the "human soap" legend in articles published
in 1946 in the Austrian Jewish community paper _Der Neue Weg_ ("The
New
Path").  In an article entitled "RIF," he wrote: "The terrible words
'Transport for soap' were first heard at the end fo 1942.  It was in
the [Polish] General Government, and the factory was in Galacia, in
Belzec.  From April 1942 until May 1943, 900,000 Jews were used as raw
material in this factory."  After the corpses were turned into various
raw materials, Wiesenthal wrote, "The rest, the residual fat stuff,
was
used for soap production."  He continued:

*      After 1942 people in the General Government knew quite well  *
* what the RIF soap meant.  The civilized world may not believe the *
* joy with which the Nazis and their women in the General           *
* Government thought of this soap.  In each piece of soap they saw  *
* a Jew who had been magically put there, and had thus been         *
* prevented from growing into a second Freud, Ehrlich or Einstein.  *

     In another imaginative article published in 1946 entitled "Belzec
Soap Factory," Wiesenthal alleged that masses of Jews were
exterminated
in electrocution showers:

*      The people, pressed together and driven on by the SS,        *
* Latvians and Ukrainians, go through the open door into the        *
* "bath."  Five hundred persons could fit at a time.  The floor of  *
* the "bath chamber" was made of metal and shower heads hung from   *
* the ceiling.  When the room was full, the SS turned on the 5,000  *
* volts of electric current in the metal plate.  At the same time   *
* water poured from the shower heads.  A short scream and the       *
* execution was over.  An SS chief physician named Schmidt          *
* determined through a peep hole that the victims were dead.  The   *
* second door was opened and the "corpse commando" came in and      *
* quickly removed the dead.  It was ready for the next 500.         *

     Today no reputable historian accepts the stories that Jewish
corpses were manufactured into bars of soap or that Jews were
electrocuted to death at Belzec (or anywhere).

                          Different Stories

     In spite of all that has been written about him, what Wiesenthal
did during the war years under German occupation is still not clear. 
He has given disturbingly conflicting stories in three separate
accounts of his wartime activities.

                 Soviet Engineer or Factory Mechanic ?

     In a 1948 interrogation, Wiesenthal declared under oath that
"between 1939 and 1941" he was a "Soviet chief engineer working in
Lvov
and Odessa." But in his 1967 autobiography, _The Murderers Among Us_,
he claimed that he spent the period between mid-September 1939 and
June
1941 in Soviet-ruled Lvov, where he worked "as a mechanic in a factory
that produced bedsprings."

     After the Germans took control of Galicia province in June 1941,
Wiesenthal was interned for a time in the Janowska concentration camp
near Lvov, from where he was transferred a few months later to a camp
affiliated with the repair works (OAW) in Lvov of the Ostbahn
("Eastern
Railroad") of German-ruled Poland.

                          Partisan Fighter ?

     The next segment of Wiesenthal's life - from October 1943 to June
1944 - is the most obscure, and his accounts of this period are
contradictory.  During his 1948 interrogation, Wiesenthal said that he
fled from a camp in Lvov and joined a "partisan group which operated
in
the Tarnopol- Kamenopodolsk area." He said that "I was a partisan from
October 6, 1943, until the middle of February 1944," and declared that
his unit fought against Ukrainian forces, both of the SS "Galicia"
division and of the independent UPA partisan force.

     Wiesenthal said that he held the rank of lieutenant and then
major, and was responsible for building bunkers and fortification
lines.  He suggested that this (supposed) partisan unit was part of
the
_Armia Ludowa_ ("People's Army"), the Polish Communist military force
established and controlled by the Soviets.

     He said that he and other partisans slipped into Lvov in February
1944, where they were "hidden by friends of the A.L. ["People's Army"]
group."  On June 13, 1944, his group was captured by the German Secret
Field Police.

     Wiesenthal told much the same story in a sworn January 1949
statement.  He said that he fled from internment in early October 1943
and then "fought against the Germans as a partisan in the forest" for
eight months - from Oct. 2, 1943, to March 1944.  After that, he was
"in hiding" in Lvov from March to June 1944.

     Wiesenthal tells a totally different story in his 1967
autobiography.  He reports there that after escaping from the Ostbahn
repair works on Oct. 2, 1943, he lived in hiding in the houses of
various friends until June 13, 1944, when he was discovered by Polish
and German police and returned to a concentration camp.  He makes no
mention of any partisan membership or activity.

     According to both his 1948 interrogation and his 1967
autobiography, he tried to commit suicide on June 15, 1944, by cutting
his wrists.  Remarkably, though, he was saved from death by German SS
doctors and recovered in an SS hospital.  He remained in the Lvov
concentration camp "with double rations" for a time, and then, he
reports in his autobiography, he was transferred to various work
camps.
 He spent the remaining chaotic months until the end of the war in
different camps until he was liberated from Mauthausen (near Linz) by
American forces on May 5, 1945.

     Did Wiesenthal invent a past as a heroic wartime partisan?  Or
did
he later try to suppress his record as a Communist fighter?  Or is the
true story altogether different - and too shameful to admit?

     Did Wiesenthal voluntarily work for his wartime oppressors? 
That's the accusation leveled by Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky,
himself of Jewish ancestry and leader for many years of his country's
Socialist party.  During a wide-ranging interview with foreign
journalists in November 1975, Kreisky charged Wiesenthal with using
"Mafia methods," rejected his pretense of "moral authority," and
suggested that he was an agent for the German authorities.

                          Mauthausen Myths

     Before the "Nazi hunter" came the unscrupulous propagandist.

     In a sensational book published in 1946, _KZ Mauthausen_,
Wiesenthal quoted extensively from the supposed "death bed confession"
of Mauthausen Commandant Franz Ziereis, according to which FOUR
MILLION
people were gassed to death with carbon monoxide at the nearby
Hartheim
satellite camp.  This claim is totally absurd, and no serious
Holocaust
historian still accepts it.

     Also according to the Ziereis "confession" cited by Wiesenthal,
the Germans supposedly killed another TEN MILLION people in Poland,
Lithuania and Latvia.  In fact, this "confession" is utterly
fraudulent
and was obtained by torture.

     Years later, Wiesenthal was still lying about Mauthausen.  In an
April 1983 interview with the daily newspaper _USA TODAY_, he said of
his experience in Mauthausen: "I was one of 34 prisoners alive out of
150,000 who had been put there."  This is a blatant falsehood.  The
years have apparently not been kind to Wiesenthal's memory, because in
his own autobiography he wrote that "almost 3,000 prisoners died in
Mauthausen after the Americans liberated us on May 5, 1945."
According
to the _Encyclopedia Judaica_, at least 212,000 inmates survived
internment in the Mauthausen camp complex.

                   "Commercializing the Holocaust"

     Simon Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name
"commercialize" and "trivialize" the Holocaust, according to the
director of Israel's Yad Veshem Holocaust center.  The charge was
reported by the Israeli daily newspaper _Ha'aretz_ in December 1988. 
The charge:  "The displeasure of Yad Veshem over what it sees as the
commercialization of the Holocaust by the Wiesenthal Center has long
been known, but this is the most open attack yet."

     The Los Angeles Center pays Wiesenthal $75,000 a year to use his
name, the Yad Veshem director said.  "The Jewish people does many
vulgar things," the report added, "but the Wiesenthal Center raises it
to a complete level: The optimum use of sensitive issues in order to
raise money..."

                           Kreisky Sums Up

     Wiesenthal is not always wrong, of course.  In 1975 he
acknowledged in a letter published in the British periodical _Books &
Bookmen_ that "there were no extermination camps on German soil."  He
thus implicitly conceded the claims made at the postwar Nuremburg
Tribunal and elsewhere that Buchenwald, Dachau and other camps in
Germany proper were "extermination camps" are not true.

     Bruno Kreisky once summed up his unambiguous attitude toward the
"Nazi hunter" in these words:

*      The engineer Wiesenthal, or whatever else his title is,      *
* hates me because he knows that I despise his activity.  The       *
* Wiesenthal group is a quasi-political mafia that works against    *
* Austria with disgraceful methods.  Wiesenthal is known as someone *
* who isn't very careful about the truth, who is not very selective *
* about his methods and who uses tricks.  He pretends to be the     *
* "Eichmann hunter," even though everyone knows that this was the   *
* work of a secret service, and that Wiesenthal only takes credit   *
* for that.                                                         *

     It is difficult to say just what drives this remarkable man.  Is
it a craving for fame and praise?  Or is he trying to live down a
shameful episode from his past?

     Wiesenthal clearly enjoys the praise he receives.  "He is a man
of
considerable ego, proud of [his] testimonials and honorary degrees,"
the _Los Angeles Times_ has reported.  Kreisky has given a simpler
explanation.  He said that Wiesenthal is "driven by hatred" ("von Hass
diktiert").

     In light of his well-documented record of deception, lies and
incompetence, the extravagent praise heaped upon this contemptible man
is a sorry reflection of the venal corruptibility and unprincipled
self-deception of our age.

_____________________________________________________________________


     This leaflet is an edited version of an essay that originally
appeared
in _The Journal of Historical Review_ (Winter 1989-90, Vol. 9, No. 4).
Complete source references are published with the essay.  _The
Journal_ is
published bi-monthly by the Institute for Historical Review.

     Mark Weber, current editor of _The Journal of Historical Review_,
studied history at the University of Illinois (Chicago), the
University of
Munich, Porland State University, and Indiana University (M.A., 1977).
For
five days in March 1988, he testified as an expert witness on the
"final
solution" and the Holocaust issue in a Toronto District Court case.
His
many articles, reviews and essays on modern European history have
appeared
in _The Journal of Historical Review_ and elsewhere.

 




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>From  _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 13, Number 6 (Nov./Dec.
1993):


                                LETTERS

                 Lessons from a Toronto Holocaust Class



     Reading about the Penn State "Holocaust History" course
(Sept.-Oct.
_Journal_, p. 45), reminded me of my own experience in the winter of
1986-87
when my wife, Lynda, and I, along with another couple, decided to
attend a
night course on the Holocaust at a Toronto High School.  The first
Zundel
["Holocaust"] trial had ended in the spring of 1985, and we were
curious to
know how this subject was being taught to high school students.  As we
very
quickly learned, those in charge assumed that no one would dare break
the
hushed tone of reverence by asking inconvenient questions.  It seems
that we
were expected merely to pay respectful homage to the Holocaust, and
not
actually study or, heaven forbid, critically examine it.

     We had planned to keep a low profile, asking questions only at
crucial
points.  But this was not to be.  On the first evening instructor
Frank
Bialystok -- who described himself as a child of "survivors" even
though his
parents, like many others, had left Poland in 1939 before the outbreak
of
war -- wanted straightaway to probe our inner-most feelings on
mankind's
most "horrendous tragedy."  He drew us into a tight circle and
proceeded to
ask each of us individually why we had decided to take this course.
Not
wishing to feign mindless adherence, we told him that we were looking
for
credible supporting evidence for Holocaust claims.  Mr. Bialystok was
further shocked when another student volunteered that her boyfriend
didn't
believe in the Holocaust.  Thus ended the "inner feeling" session.

     For the rest of the evening we were subjected to slides of Mr.
Bialystok's recent visit to Auschwitz.  When he came to a slide of the
camp's alleged execution gas chamber, without comment he quickly
flipped to
the next slide.  When I asked Bialystok what that slide had been, he
evaded
the question.  He left class that night in a state of virtual shock.

     On the second evening Bialystok came well-prepared to respond to
our
simple request for proof.  There, to our surprise, was Peter Griffith,
Crown
Prosecutor in the first Zundel trial, and Alan Shefman of the League
for
Human Rights of the B'nai B'rith (the Canadian counterpart of the
ADL).  At
the back of the class sat a guilt-ridden Anglican minister, along with
an
official from the government agency euphemistically known as the
"Human
Rights Commission."  With the original course itinerary now completely
discarded, the classroom had become a kind of intellectual battle
field.
That ostensibly independent officials could be trotted out on such
short
notice for our modest little group speaks volumes.  To the surprise of
those
in charge, we weren't at all intimidated.

     After Shefman was introduced, we were informed that tape
recorders
would not be permitted, even though Bialystok had specifically
welcomed them
on the first evening's class (when he was looking forward to a
Holocaust
love-in).  Ignored were our queries of what they were afraid or even
ashamed
of.  Shortly into Shefman's talk it became apparent why he didn't want
his
words recorded.  He vehemently lit into the Institute for Historical
Review,
maligning -- in a most mendacious manner -- not only it but
individually
each member of the IHR _Journal_'s Editorial Advisory Committee as
well.  We
were given no satisfactory answers to our requests for evidence of his
malicious claims.

     Griffith told us that the "definitive" new edition of Raul
Hilberg's
book, _The Destruction of the European Jews_, contained conclusive
proof of
mass gassing.  Unable to give any such evidence himself, he simply
told us
to read Hilberg's book.  When I asked Griffith if he believed that
hearsay
evidence should be admissible in court, he declared in a sanctimonious
monolog that not only did he believe that the use of hearsay evidence
was
counter-productive to a fair trial, but that our society's judicial
rules of
evidence did not permit it.  When I pointed out that hearsay testimony
had
been permitted by the Nuremberg Tribunal, his tone changed to one of
evasive
rationalization.  Griffith implied that the Tribunal was an omniscient
body
with correspondingly appropriate rules that were indispensable in
dealing
with such grotesque crimes.  My retort that the Nuremberg courts were
nothing more than victor-formulated bodies designed to convict the
vanquished so unnerved him that he shouted at me to "shut up."  With
Griffith and Bialystok trying to put the best light on their non
answers,
and Shefman sniping from the side lines with his ad hominem attacks,
the
evening passed quickly.

     As we arrived for the next session, we were startled to find the
classroom overflowing with people.  What had begun as a small class of
nine
students -- barely enough to justify a course -- had grown into a
gathering
of 45 or 50, with not enough desks for everyone.  Earlier that day, it
turned out, Ernst Zundel had enquired about the course.  Surrounded by
a
gaggle of media people, he was trying to register.  In an effort to
thwart
his effort by claiming that the course was already fully booked, they
had
packed the classroom, mostly with other teachers and some volunteers
from
Jewish organizations.  During that evening's session the guilt-ridden
Anglican minister explained to the class just how thoroughly
anti-Semitic
the _Bible_ was, and how this had set the climate that permitted the
Holocaust to happen.  I asked if he had studied the [Jewish] _Talmud_.
He
said that he had.  To my question of whether there were anti-Christian
or
anti-Gentile passages in the Talmud, he embarrassingly retorted:
"Nowhere
near the anti-Semitic hate that is in the _Bible_."

     At the next class the following week, the room was once again
full.
This time, though, the teachers were gone, replaced by Jewish
volunteers.
They hoped to overwhelm us.  When the intimidating shouts and insults
failed
to stem the inconvenient questions, whole evenings were taken up with
dogmadrama video tapes that allowed no time for questions and
discussion.
Those in charge even tried to intimidate us one evening by having two
plain-clothes detectives from the so-called ethnic squad sit at the
back of
the room.  We recognized them from the Zundel trial.  During the eight
week
course, unregistered people wandered in and out of the classroom as if
this
was a Holocaust remembrance social club or a kind of changing of the
Holocaust defense guard.

     Frustrated that nothing they tried seemed able to stem our
blasphemous
questions, Mr. Bialystok resorted to a kind of censor's "final
solution."
Forbidding any further questions during instruction sessions, he
announced
that there would be a half-hour period for questions at the end of
each
evening's session.  In practice we were lucky to get ten minutes;
usually it
was five.  And with so many dedicated "seekers of truth" running
interference, we were fortunate if we got in even a single skeptical
question.  More to the point, we never got even one cogent answer.

     Typical was the performance of Harold Tropper, the author of
_None is
Too Many_, a book decrying Canada's refusal to take a boat-load of
Jewish
refugees.  His not so subtle message -- of Canadian guilt and
complicity in
the Holocaust for sending refugees back to what he claimed was certain
death
-- was expected to be humbly accepted as gospel.  "Why should
Canadians feel
guilty about refusing a boatload of aliens," I impertinently asked,
"when
Israel is presently preventing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians
from
returning to their own homeland?"  At that point all hell broke loose,
with
everyone shouting at once.  Irrational statements, such as "don't
bring
Israel into this," were made.  Tropper proclaimed (inaccurately) that
"this
wasn't true," and then refused to discuss the matter any further.

     After the course had concluded, my wife tried for several weeks
to
arrange a meeting with the school principal.  When she finally spoke
with
him, he seemed nervous and embarrassed, giving some pretty lame
excuses for
some of what had happened.  He explained, for example, that the
teachers who
had packed the class had been invited for "educational" purposes.  He
was
surprised and seemingly upset to learn about the two detectives who
had been
in the classroom.  As a result of his meeting with my wife, he also
learned
that quite ordinary, middle class Canadians -- and not trouble makers
as
Bialystok would have described us -- could have trouble believing all
the
Holocaust stories.

     While we didn't learn anything new about Holocaust history, we
did
learn something about how the guardians of the cult think, and to what
lengths they will go to foster and protect their creed.  We also had
the
satisfaction of seeing the course dropped altogether from the night
school
curriculum.

                                                                 John
Mortl
                                                            Toronto,
Canada


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WHY HOLOCAUST REVISIONISM?     by  Theodore J. O'Keefe (c)
Copyright 1992 by Journal of Historical Review, All Rights
Reserved;  Reprinted from Vol. 12, #1 of the Journal of Historical
Review, Spring 1992;Copyright notice at end of article]

     The "Holocaust," the alleged murder of some six million Jews
by the German Nazis during the Second World War, has in recent
years come under increasing fire from the Revisionists, those
unconventional historians who challenge orthodox versions of past
events.  Researchers such as Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson, David
Irving, and Wilhelm StŠglich have become famous (some would say
notorious) around the world for their scholarly critique of the
claim that Hitler and his followers sought to exterminate European
Jewry during the war, killing millions by poison gas and other
means.     There are those who would suppress the Revisionists by
restricting their freedom of research and expression, and indeed
the Revisionists have suffered physical attacks and legal
sanctions, even in countries which take pride in being "open
societies."     Many more people, however, are not so much hostile
to the Revisionists as they are simply puzzled by them.  They have
questions about Holocaust Revisionism, questions like these:  "What
motivates these Revisionists?  Are they simply Nazis, seeking to
rehabilitate the Hitler regime?  Even if some of their facts are
correct, does it really matter if the number of Jews who died in
the war was 'only' a million and a half?  Or half a million?  Or
just one?  And even if the Revisionist case against the Holocaust
could be proved, what difference does it make what did or didn't
happen to some Jews in Europe fifty years ago?  Why not stick to
issues that are more important- and safer?"     To answer these
questions, it is necessary to say something about the origins of
modern Historical Revisionism.  While conscientious historians have
always attempted to "correct" the errors and omissions of their
predecessors, modern Revisionism dates from the First World War. 
That great and terrible war was the first in history to affect
people in every corner of the globe.  It brought the great empires
of Europe, their colonies in Asia and Africa, and finally the
independent nations of the Americas into conflict on an
unprecedented scale.  Technology developed fearsome new weapons -
airplanes, submarines, tanks, machine guns, poison gas - to gain
military victories.  A different sort of technology - directed at
the minds, not the bodies, of men - was raised to new levels of
effectiveness.     While both sides - the German-led Alliance and
the Franco-BritishRussian Entente - lured the political and
financial leadership of the neutral nations in secret with bribes
and promises, they wooed the masses at home and abroad with
propaganda.  Each side depicted its own war aims as a mighty
crusade for peace and freedom, and those of its enemies as a
diabolical grab for world dominion.     Even more effective was the
so-called "atrocity propaganda," which attributed every crime
imaginable to the enemy.  And the undisputed masters of "atrocity
propaganda" were in the Allied camp.  Their mastery of the
propaganda weapon gave the world such images as the Belgianbaby-
killing Hun, the crucified Canadian, a corpse factory in which the
Germans processed their own dead, and a hundred others which raised
Allied and neutral populaces to righteous and patriotic frenzy.   
 Allied propaganda helped lure America into the war, tipping the
scales to insure Allied victory.  Then, Allied leaders forced the
defeated nations, Germany and its allies, to sign humiliating
treaties which stripped them of territory and colonies, imposed
crushing reparations and virtual disarmament, and, most galling of
all, compelled the defeated to accept all responsibility for
starting the war.     Soon after that war it had already become
evident that much of what the citizens of America and the other
powers had been told by their leaders about the causes, the
conduct, and the aims of the war was simply not true.  In
particular, the vast majority of the lurid atrocities attributed to
the Germans and their allies were admitted by the politicians and
journalists who fabricated them to have been lies.     A group of
concerned scholars and laymen in America and other countries, who
became known as Revisionists, became determined to establish the
historical facts, as opposed to the government and press
propaganda, about the war.  Within a decade Revisionist historians
in America, England, France, Germany and Austria were able to
demonstrate that the war had not been waged to save the world for
democracy, and that Germany and its allies did not bear sole guilt
for starting the war.     One of Revisionism's founding fathers was
the young American historian Harry Elmer Barnes.  Barnes would
later define Historical Revisionism as "bringing history into
accord with the facts."  Barnes' study of the facts, as opposed to
the propaganda, of the years 1914 to 1918 taught him that, in his
words, "Truth is always the first war casualty.  The emotional
disturbances and distortions in historical writing are greatest in
wartime."       The hard facts which Revisionists had established
about the First World War, only after a bloodbath which cost ten
million lives, inspired Revisionists in America and elsewhere to
resist their countries' involvement in wars and interventions at
the behest of politicians and bankers.  But the rise of
international Communism, which gained a firm base in Russia
following the First World War, the crisis of capitalism in the
worldwide depression of the 1930's, and the emergence of
authoritarian, anti-Communist, nationalist regimes in Europe and
Japan set the stage for new conflicts.     Unlike the years before
1914, the build-up to the Second World War found not only nations
but supra-national ideological movements competing for power in
every sphere of human life.  Communists, Fascists, Nazis, and
Zionists joined the existing nationalists, imperialists, and
enthusiasts for "one world" in a no-holds-barred struggle in which,
spurred by the world economic crisis, propaganda technicians
brought the arts of mass persuasion to unprecedented levels of
achievement.     By the outbreak of war in 1939, Germany had
already been the object of furious, international propaganda
campaign by the left, led by the Communists, and by the world's
Jews.  Britain's formidable global propaganda apparatus had shifted
into high gear, particularly in antiinterventionist America, where
British agents had set up a vast, clandestine propaganda operation
with the covert agreement of President Franklin Roosevelt.  When
Germany and its European allies attacked Stalin's Russia in June
1941, the uneasy truce between the Nazis and the Reds ended, and
Moscow's agents around the world began transmitting the Kremlin's
version of events to an often unsuspecting audience in the
democracies.  Such propaganda influences, combined with President
Roosevelt's stealthy policy of entangling America on the side of
the Allies, defeated the wise counsel of American Revisionists,
prominent in the antiinterventionist camp, and in December 1941
American entered the war through the back door at Pearl Harbor.   
 Although officials among the Western Allies, mindful of the
cynicism which had followed the exploded atrocity lies after the
First World War, at first tried to steer clear of more lurid and
improbable accusations, as the Axis triumphed on all fronts Allied
propagandists began to abandon their scruples.  Meanwhile, Jewish
and Communist sources had opened up all drumfire of allegations
against the Germans, blasting them for every conceivable crime.  By
the summer of 1942 Jewish spokesmen were demanding that Allied
leaders condemn the Germans for annihilating a million Jews and
plotting the extermination of millions more.  Churchill, Roosevelt,
and Stalin's condemnation was forthcoming by December 1942; for the
remainder of the war Jewish and Allied propagandists spread
fantastic tales of Jews murdered by scores of methods, as
diabolical as they were improbable:  they were reported to have
been steamed, baked, electrocuted, gassed, eaten away by quicklime,
starved, shot, buried alive, mauled by wild beasts, subjected to
sadistic experiments, and deliberately injected with lethal
chemicals or germs.  According to the propaganda, not even their
remains were inviolable: their skins made into lampshades or riding
breeches, their hair stuffed into mattresses or used to make
slippers, their gold dental fillings swelling the Reich's coffers,
and what was left over turned into soap or fertilizer.     Even
during the war, as Exterminationist writers have lately emphasized,
there was widespread disbelief of the extermination claims among
American and Britons, not to mention the peoples of the Axis
nations.  Allied policy-makers- Jewish, Communist, or Western
democratic- mindful of the aftermath of the "war to end all wars,"
took steps to insure that the wartime propaganda would not be so
easily discredited.  Following the Second World War, they arranged
for a series of trials devised to "prove" all of their atrocity
claims as well as to convict and punish their enemies.  Germany,
and Japan as well, were occupied by the victors.  The occupying
powers wrote new constitutions, picked out new ruling elites, and
imposed new modes of thought and methods of education so that the
Germans and Japanese would absorb and internalize the propaganda of
their conquerors.     Like most critical-minded citizens,
Revisionist scholars and publicists had believed that eventually
the exaggerations and fabrications surrounding Germany's treatment
of the Jews would be swept away after the war, as propaganda and
the passions it stoked were replaced by dispassionate gathering and
analysis of the facts.  They failed to reckon, however, with the
rise of Israel and Zionism as a focus of allegiance for the world's
Jews.  The Zionists regarded the alleged extermination attempt -
and the seemingly miraculous rise of a Jewish state and nation
which followed it - as the central myth of a reborn Israel.  Jews
seized on the Holocaust story as a means of rendering criticism
taboo and support almost automatic for Israel and the Diaspora. 
Opponents of Israel were routinely compared to Hitler, while an
endless and ubiquitous media Shoah business promoted Holocaust
items and themes, from Anne Frank's alleged diary to the latest
docudrama, gradually raised the wartime extermination legend to an
unassailable sacred cow.  The Holocaust propaganda became a tool to
generate billions, first as reparations or aid, now as virtual
tribute, from West Germany and America.  The enemies of German
nationalism, form the Soviet Union with its newly consolidated
satellite empire in Eastern Europe to leftists and jingoists in
Western Europe, not to mention British "balance of power"
enthusiasts and the would-be Caesars of an American imperium: all
these forces had an interest in maintaining the Holocaust story as
a barrier to free investigation of not merely the Jewish
experience, but to any objective re-examination of the key
historical questions of the Second World War.     Nevertheless,
despite what Harry Elmer Barnes' called "the historical blackout,"
a small cohort of open-minded and intrepid writers in Europe and
American began to challenge publicly the supposed magnitude of
Jewish losses in Europe, and to examine critically the evidence for
a German program to annihilate European Jewry.  The Revisionists
who called for skepticism toward Holocaust claims, and began the
hard work of bringing "history into accord with the facts" on this
thorny issue, pointed out that the Holocaust was bad history.  Paul
Rassinier, the French pacifist and socialist who was himself
interned in Buchenwald for his part in the French resistance,
exposed the lies and exaggerations of his fellow survivors, who
blithely testified to the existence of an imaginary gas chamber. 
Early Revisionists, like Harvard-educated historian David Hogan and
German-American Professor Austin App, focused on the disparities
between the documented National Socialist Jewish policy and the
postwar oral accounts of "survivors," the "confessions" of German
prisoners in Allied custody, and the self-serving testimony of
witnesses for the prosecution.  These and other Revisionist
pioneers exposed the rickety statistical foundations of the figure
of the six million Jewish dead, paving the way for a efflorescence
of critical Revisionist scholarship which began in the 1970's and
flourishes today.  The coming age of Holocaust Revisionism is best
symbolized by the founding of the Institute for Historical Review
in California in 1978, enabling the publication of the key findings
of such contemporary Revisionist scholars of the Holocaust as
Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson, Wilhelm Stglich, Ditlieb Felderer,
Walter Sanning, Henri Roques, Fritz Berg, Mark Weber, Carlo
Mattogno, and many others.     It should be emphasized that men and
women who have dedicated themselves to determining and spreading
the truth about the Holocaust are anything but Nazis or
unconditional apologists for Germany's National Socialist regime. 
In fact, Holocaust Revisionists neither subscribe to nor represent
a fixed ideology.  Politically, Revisionists have come not only
>from  the ranks of the political right, but also from the left, and
even from the ranks of the anti-statist libertarians and
anarchists.  They run the gamut from fundamentalist Christian to
militant atheists (and yes, like Joseph G. Burg and Bezalel Chaim,
there are Jewish Revisionists of the Holocaust).  Harry Elmer
Barnes, for example, expressed himself with increasing frankness on
the corrosive effects of the Holocaust propaganda in his last
years, was a free-thinking humanist and progressive.  As a glance
at the roster of the Institute for Historical Review's editorial
advisory committee reveals, Revisionists are not merely Germans or
of German descent, but include scholars from France, Sweden,
Hungary, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Argentina, Australia, and South
Africa, as well as Americans of English, Irish, Swedish, French,
and Italian extraction.     Besides challenging the factual basis
of the legend of a wartime Nazi Extermination program for Jews, the
Revisionists have sought to establish a historical context for the
undeniable persecutions and wrongs which were carried out against
the Jews.   In this context the Revisionists remind those critics
who object, quite rightfully, that the murder of a single Jew is
inexcusable, that the willful exaggeration of Jewish losses is
similarly intolerable:  What man or woman person would condone
deliberately multiplying the number of children slain by Israeli
soldiers and settlers during the Palestinian intifada?    
Revisionist scholars further attempt to compare the ordeal of the
Jews during the Second World War with the experiences of other
groups during that war and indeed throughout the course of history. 
Here the Revisionists are mindful of the unique status that most
Exterminationists, particularly Jews, have tried to arrogate for
the Holocaust.  Basing their arguments on the false premise that
the architects of German's anti-Jewish program planned the
systematic killing of all the Jews of Europe, Exterminationists
have often minimized the sufferings of non-Jewish civilians.  Such
has been the power of the Holocaust taboo that the losses of such
victims of Axis invasion and occupation as the Poles, Russians, and
Ukrainians have been neglected by the Establishment academy and
media.  It need scarcely be added that the Holocaust devotees who
dominate the air waves, the press, and the schools guard against
the shedding of even a single tear over the millions of German and
other civilian victims of British and American bombers or of the
hands-on brutality of Soviet troops.     Above all, the
Revisionists argue that the Holocaust story and its exploitation
form a massive obstacle to the objective history of Western
Civilization in the twentieth century.  The successful imposition
of the Extermination thesis as an unchallengable orthodoxy has
helped Western intellectuals and opinion makers to shirk a
confrontation with the far bloodier record of Communist regimes, as
well as to gloss over sometimes comparable atrocities by regimes
and movements, Left and Right, colonialist and revolutionary,
around the world.  By exploiting the Holocaust taboo, the
ideologues of so-called liberal democracy are able to forestall any
dispassionate analysis of ideas and movements tarred as "fascist"
or "Nazi."  The inevitable result has been a general version of the
political and historical dynamics of this century which is woefully
inaccurate, is not merely useless but dangerous as an aid to
understanding the present and the future, and which serves only the
short-sighted and selfish interests of small elites.     For
today's - and tomorrow's - Americans, the consequences of a
continued refusal to establish and disseminate the facts, instead
of the lies, about the Extermination legend can only be grave.  For
present-day America is in the grip of what can only be called
"Holocaustomania."  The purveyors of this contagion - in New York,
in Hollywood, in Washington, and in schools all across America -
have been working industriously for years now to convert the
Holocaust from an alleged historical event to an active present
reality.  Their mastery of the media has enabled them to vend
Holocaust propaganda as edification and entertainment to tens of
millions.  Their grip on governments - national, state, and local -
 has allowed them to mandate national holidays in "remembrance" of
this historical hoax, to construct museums and memorials for the
exhibition of relics and the generation of hatred and guilt. 
Federal prosecutors and police hunt down "war criminals" fifty
years after the fact - or often, the non-fact - but only "Nazi" war
criminals - for justice, too, must yield its claims to the
Holocaust.  Our children are being indoctrinated in a growing
number of compulsory programs in the schools, programs which aim
not merely at conveying information and reasoning ability, but
which attempt to mold emotions and attitudes through techniques of
"group learning" and "enforced sensitivity" that recall those of
the Communist Chinese in Chairman Mao's heyday.  Christian
theologians grandly proclaim that the Jewish tales form Auschwitz
invalidate the Gospel of Christ, and that Christians and Gentiles
bear a moral stain which can be expunged only by eternal allegiance
to Israel.     The next few decades will be dangerous ones for
Americans blinded to past and present realities by Holocaustomania. 
Like it or not, Germany and Europe are working free from political
and economic domination by the rulers of America and Russia.  That
they will shake free from the historical myths which served to
dominate them spiritually is inevitable.  In the Soviet Union, the
archives are opening, the mass graves are being opened, almost
invariably to the embarrassment of those who placed their trust in
Stalin's propagandists.  Israel has become an international pariah
everywhere except in American and among America's dwindling number
of subservient clients abroad.  A country that can't support itself
economically and daily violates the liberal and humane ideals it
urges on everyone else - as a matter of its own survival as a state
- is not a fit friend for America.  To rely on Zionists and their
supporters in America to determine our perception of history -
particularly through the distorted lens of the obsessive Holocaust
hoax - is to court disaster.     That is why intelligent, concerned
Americans - and people everywhere - owe the Holocaust Revisionists
a fair hearing.  The brave little band of conscientious scholars
and sometimes flamboyant publicists who have risked social and
economic ostracism in this country - and physical violence and
prison abroad in countries as diverse as France, Canada, Sweden,
West Germany, Brazil, and South America - doesn't demand blind
faith or unquestioning adherence to a creed.  What they ask for is
the right to argue their case - from facts, not emotions or covert
political agendas - in the public forum, in that marketplace that
we Americans have fought to keep open to ideas, even strange and
unpleasant ones, ever since this country was founded.  For the
Revisionists, the right to continue participating in what a French
lawyer has called "the intellectual adventure of the twentieth
century" without legal or illegal harassment is quite enough.    
"Why Holocaust Revisionism?"  I think Thomas Jefferson answered
that question over two centuries ago, when he wrote:  "There is not
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An Open Letter to Nat Hentoff
The Village Voice
842 Broadway
New York  NY  10003


June 1991


Dear Nat Hentoff:


     Well, Nat, I see you've taken another run at the Jewish-soap
story
(_Village Voice_, 7 May 91).  There you are in Jerusalem in those
"eccentrically furnished" rooms that are the Chamber of the Holocaust.
You stand there staring at "some bars of soap on a shelf."  You turn
to
an "ancient attendant."  He nods.  He says:  "Jews.  They used to be
Jews."  I'm worried about you, Nat.  Something in your brain is
turning
the Holocaust story into an Addams Family cartoon.  The last time you
ran this sado-masochistic survivor fantasy past your readers I took
time out from my busy schedule to write you a note and pass on to you
the words of Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt:  "The Nazis never
used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the
production of soap" (L.A. Times, 16 May 81).  Remember?  She wrote
that
the Jewish-soap rumor had been "thoroughly investigated after the war
and proved to be untrue."

     I suggested you get in touch with Deborah and ask her about the
"thorough investigation" she mentioned.  I thought another good idea
would be for you to ask the people who run the Chamber of the
Holocaust
in Jerusalem where they got their Jewish soap in the first place, how
its history is documented and how they know it's "Jewish."  These were
simple questions, Nat, any kid in Journalism 101 would understand why
they should be asked.  It didn't occur to me that you liked the
Jewish-soap fantasy just the way it is.  It has now.

     Why?  So that you can exploit it yet again in yet another whiney
article on anti-Semitism headed "God Must Have Loved Anti-Semites, He
Made So Many Of Them."  You never get tired of it, do you?  It's never
too much trouble to feed the trough of anti-German bigotry, is it?  If
God does love the anti-Semites, Nat, it might have something to do
with
the way He feels about how some of you guys behave.

     In April 1990 Yehuda Bauer, who you probably know directs
Holocaust studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, stated that the
Jewish-soap story was only a rumor.  The Bauer statement was carried
all over the world by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.  I find it
difficult to believe you aren't aware of it.  Bauer said that during
WW
II the Germans didn't have the "technical possibilities" for making
soap from Jews, or from anyone else I suppose.  Raul Hilberg (_The
Destruction of the European Jews_) was quoted as confirming Bauer.

     Maybe you don't trust individuals like Lipstadt, Bauer and
Hilberg
to give you the real skinny on the Holocaust story.  I wouldn't blame
you.  I haven't trusted them myself for the last ten years.  But you
have another alternative.  You can make a little effort to put your
finger on one single proof that the Jewish-soap story is true.  When
you have found that one proof you can pass it on to key people at the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith and the World Jewish Congress
and other like organizations that have been promoting the story for
half a century now.  They will be very grateful to you.  Very
grateful.
Forget the historians, Nat.  The historians are working at
cross-purposes with the ADL, the WJC and the rest of that herd.

     In your article "God Must Have Loved Anti-Semites, He Made So
Many
Of Them," you appear to be adrift somehow about why there is so much
anti-Jewish feeling around the world when in real numbers there are so
few Jews and they own such a tiny fraction of real estate.  Holocaust
deniers.  Anger and contempt for Jews in the Black community.  Even
"blood libel" against Jews.  While I can't explain everything to you
in
one letter, Nat, I do have something for you on the "blood libel"
business.

     You relate the story about Mustafa Tlas, the Syrian minister of
defense, who in 1986 published a book titled _The Matzoh of Zion_.
The
book claims to demonstrate that Jews murder gentile children and use
their blood as an ingredient for matzoh at certain rituals.  This sort
of allegation is what you and other extremist Jews refer to as a
"blood
libel."

     When the Mustafa Tlas story broke I followed it for a couple
months.  I was pretty impressed, believe me, when about ten days after
the story appeared Secretary of State George P. Shultz and then Vice
President of the United States George Bush both protested the book to
the United Nations and the Syrian Government.  That's clout.  That's
influence.  That's an example of what Organized Jewry can do about
bigots and bigoted books.  It was the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the
WJC and probably others who got the ball to Shultz and Bush.  No one
makes a case against Jews for fighting bigotry.  It's the double
standards about bigotry so prevalent among some Jews that is so
frustrating.

     Now here's what I have for you, Nat.  Try and get a handle on
this
simple, wholesome concept.  There never have been any proofs that Jews
murder Gentile children to use their blood for matzoh.  There have
never been any proofs that Germans murdered Jews and used their fat to
manufacture hand soap.  It's the same shitty story, Nat.  Don't you
understand?  IT'S THE SAME STORY!

     The Gentile-blood-for-matzoh version of the story is bad for Jews
so Jews like you do what you can do discredit it.  The
Jewish-fat-for-soap version of the story, however, is perceived by
poops like you as being useful to Jews so you promote that version.
You put what you see as the good-for-Jews version of this blood libel
into your museums.  You put it into magazines, newspapers, books,
television scripts and movies where it corrupts public discourse and
contributes to the bigotry and hatred you like to say you are
struggling against.

     This is only one example of the double standards that many of us
understand to be a way for some in your circle to win unearned
sympathy
for Jews at the expense of others.  Do you really believe that Blacks
and others do not see what you do and don't understand why you do it? 
Maybe you should step back and ask yourself:  Is it really possible
that
"anti-Semitism" is "everywhere" while everywhere Jews are innocent of
all wrongdoing?

     Nat, I have a simple suggestion for you.  Stop exploiting the
Jewish-soap fantasy until you have turned up a couple proofs for it.
If -- G-d forbid -- your investigation leads you to doubt the story,
start working up your apology to the German people for having repeated
this blood libel against them in your writings.  Contrary to what many
of those in your circle may tell you, my sense of things is that in
the
long run your repentance would be an act of faith in the good sense
and
good will of all Jews everywhere.


                  Yours truly,


                  Bradley R. Smith

     (Two hundred fifty of Nat's associates in publishing and his
intellectual friends in New York received copies of this open letter.
There are no doubt many more who would like to have a look at it.)





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>From  _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 11, Number 2 (Summer
1991):


                          A Brief Introduction
                        to Holocaust Revisionism

                             ARTHUR R. BUTZ


     Dr. Arthur R. Butz is an associate professor of electrical
engineering
at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois.  He is also the
author of
a major Revisionist study of the alleged Holocaust, _The Hoax of the
Twentieth Century_, as well as a member of the IHR _Journal_'s
editorial
advisory committee.  Earlier this year, as Revisionist attempts to
spark
open debate on the Holocaust ignited controversy at Northwestern, Butz
once
again found himself in the center of the storm.  (For more on this,
including the key role played by IHR media project director Bradley
Smith,
see the May and July 1991 issues of the _IHR Newsletter_.)  At the
height
of the controversy, Butz presented his view of the Holocaust story in
a
succinct essay that appeared in the school paper, _The Daily
Northwestern_,
May 13, 1991, under the title "A Short Introduction to the Study of
Holocaust Revisionism."  Here is the complete text of his piece, which
includes a correction of an error that appeared in the Daily
Northwestern
version:


I see three principal reasons for the widespread but erroneous belief
in
the legend of millions of Jews killed by the Germans during World War
II:
U.S. and British troops found horrible piles of corpses in the West
German
camps they captured in 1945 (e.g. Dachau and Belsen); there are no
longer
large communities of Jews in Poland; and historians generally support
the
legend.

     During both world wars, Germany was forced to fight typhus,
carried by
lice in the constant traffic with the East.  That is why all accounts
of
entry into the German concentration camps speak of shaving of hair and
showering and other delousing procedures, such as treatment of
quarters
with the pesticide Zyklon.  That was also the main reason for a high
death
rate in the camps, and for the crematoria that existed in all.

     When Germany collapsed in chaos, then of course all such defenses
ceased, and typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps,
which
quartered mainly political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals,
conscientious objectors and Jews conscripted for labor.  Hence the
horrible
scenes, which however had nothing to do with "extermination" or any
deliberate policy.  Moreover, the West German camps involved were not
the
alleged "extermination camps," which were all in Poland (e.g.
Auschwitz and
Treblinka) and which were all evacuated or shut down before capture by
the
Soviets, who found no such scenes.

     The "Final Solution" spoken of in the German documents was a
program
of evacuation, resettlement and deportation of Jews with the ultimate
objective of expulsion from Europe.  During the war Jews of various
nationalities were being moved east, as one stage in this Final
Solution.
The legend claims that the motion was mainly for extermination
purposes.

     The great majority of the millions allegedly exterminated were
East
European - not German or West European - Jews.  For that reason study
of
the problem via population statistics has been difficult to
impossible, but
it is a fact that there are no longer large communities of Jews in
Poland.
However, the Germans were only one of several parties involved in
moving
Jews around.  The Soviets deported virtually all of the Jews of
eastern
Poland to their interior in 1940.  After the war, with Polish and
other
Jews pouring out of the East into occupied West Germany, the Zionists
moved
large numbers to Palestine, and the United States and other countries
absorbed many Jews, in most cases under conditions making impossible a
numerical accounting.  Moreover, the Polish borders were changed
drastically at the end of the war; the country was literally moved
west.

     Historians generally support the legend, but there are precedents
for
nearly incomprehensible blindness on the part of scholars.  For
example,
throughout the Middle Ages even the Pope's political enemies conceded
his
false claim that the 4th century Emperor Constantine had ceded rule of
the
west to the Pope, although all knew very well that Constantine had
been
succeeded by more emperors.  Near unanimity among the academics is
especially suspect when there exist great political pressures; in some
countries, Holocaust Revisionists have been prosecuted.

     It is easy to show that the extermination legend merits
skepticism.
Even the casual reader of the Holocaust literature knows that during
the
war virtually nobody acted as though it were happening.  Thus it is
common
to berate the Vatican, the Red Cross and the Allies (especially the
intelligence agencies) for their ignorance and inaction, and to
explain
that the Jews generally did not resist deportation because they did
not
know what was in store for them.  If you add all this up you have the
strange claim that for almost three years German trains, operating on
a
continental scale in densely civilized regions of Europe, were
regularly
and systematically moving millions of Jews to their deaths, and nobody
noticed except for a few of our Jewish leaders who were making public
"extermination" claims.

     On closer examination even those few Jewish leaders were not
acting as
though it were happening.  Ordinary communications between the
occupied and
neutral countries were open, and they were in contact with the Jews
whom
the Germans were deporting, who thus could not have been in ignorance
of
"extermination" if those claims had any validity.

     This incredible ignorance must also be attributed to Hans Oster's
department in German military intelligence, correctly labeled "the
veritable general staff of the opposition to Hitler" in a recent
review.

     What we are offered in evidence was gathered after the war, in
trials.
The evidence is almost all oral testimony and "confessions."  Without
the
evidence of these trials there would be no significant evidence of
"extermination."  One must pause and ponder this carefully.  Were
trials
needed to determine that the Battle of Waterloo happened?  The
bombings of
Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  The slaughter in Cambodia?
Yet
this three-year program, of continental scope, claiming millions of
victims, requires trials to argue its reality.  I am not arguing that
the
trials were illegal or unfair; I am arguing that such historical logic
as
the legend rests on must not be countenanced.  Such events cannot
happen
without generating commensurate and contemporaneous evidence for their
reality, just as a great forest fire cannot take place without
producing
smoke.  One may as well believe that New York City was burned down, if
confessions to the deed can be produced.

     Detailed consideration of the specific evidence put forward in
support
of the legend has been a focus of the Revisionist literature and
cannot be
undertaken here, but I shall mention one point.  The claim of the
legend is
that there were no technical means provided for the specific task of
extermination, and that means originally provided for other purposes
did
double duty in improvised arrangements.  Thus the Jews were allegedly
gassed with the pesticide Zyklon, and their corpses disappeared into
the
crematoria along with the deaths from "ordinary" causes (the ashes or
other
remains of millions of victims never having been found).  Surely any
thoughtful person must be skeptical.






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>From  _The Daily Northwestern_
(Northwestern University's newspaper),
Thursday, April 4, 1991:


              THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?

                      The Case for Open Debate


The Contemporary Issue --

     No subject enrages America's thought police more than Holocaust
revisionism.  The politically correct line on the Holocaust story is,
simply, it happened.  You don't debate "it."  You do debate every
other
historical event of course, but the Holocaust is an exception.  If
someone does express doubt about some aspect of the Holocaust story,
it's politically correct to respond with outrage, contempt and
guilt-by-association tactics.  We used to call that behavior
McCarthy-ite.  Now we say it's "progressive."

     The Holocaust lobby claims that it is a social good when ideology
replaces free inquiry, intimidation represses open debate, and when
the
ideals of the university itself are exchanged for intellectual taboos
and not-so-secret political agendas.  Let's ask these people -- what
makes such behavior a social good?  Who benefits?

The Historical Issue --

     For half a century it has been asserted that during World War II
the German State had a policy to "exterminate" the Jews and other
peoples of Europe in execution gas chambers.  This allegation was
institutionalized at the great Nuremberg trial, led by the Soviets and
the U.S.  While the proceedings at Nuremberg were politically correct,
the evidence supports the then Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme
Court,
Harlan Fiske Stone, who called the Nuremberg court simply "a lynching
party for Germans."

     Mainline Holocaust historians are under considerable pressure
from
Revisionist scholarship to address the more blatant examples of
Holocaust fraud and falsehood.  Increasingly, academics are committing
themselves to publishing their own revisions of the orthodox Holocaust
story.  The "re-writing" of the Holocaust story has begun in earnest.

Auschwitz

     Arno J. Mayer, chaired professor of European history at Princeton
University, has written in his _Why the Heavens Did Not Darken_, that
at Auschwitz more people died of "natural causes" than were killed. 
Mayer is a Jew and himself a refugee from the Nazi regime.

     British historian David Irving, perhaps the most widely read
historian writing in English, has called the Auschwitz death-camp
story
a "sinking ship" and states that there were "no gas chambers at
Auschwitz...."

     Yehuda Bauer, Director of Holocaust Studies at Hebrew University
in Jerusalem, states that it is "patently false" that 4 million Jews
and others were killed at Auschwitz.

     The Auschwitz State Museum has "revised" its half-century-old
claim that 4-million humans were killed there.  The Museum now says
maybe it was 1 million.  What documentary evidence does the Museum
proffer for the 1 million figure?  None.  The 4 million number was
engraved in stone at Auschwitz where it has been seen by millions of
tourists.  What to do?  A workman was ordered to chisel out the 4
million number.  Nothing to it, really.  History in the making.  But
where have those 3 million souls been the last 45 years?  And why is
no
one celebrating?

     _The Leuchter Report_ contains the results of the first-ever
forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz.  The
_Report_ is the work of Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter.  It
concludes
that no mass gassings ever did or ever could have taken place in the
so-called gas chambers.  The chemical analysis used in the _Report_
was
performed by the Alpha Analytical Laboratories in Ashland MA.  Fred
Leuchter has called for an international commission of scientists and
historians to investigate the so-called gas chambers of Auschwitz.

     Winston Churchill wrote his monumental six-volume history of
World
War II without mentioning the "gas chambers" or the "extermination" of
the Jews.  Maybe it slipped his mind.  On the other hand, maybe not.

     Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his memoir _Crusade in Europe_, also
forgot to mention the "gas chambers."  Why wasn't the weapon used to
murder 6 million Jews worthy of a passing reference?  Was our future
president being "insensitive" to Jews?

"The Photographs"

     We've all seen "The Photographs."  Endlessly.  Newsreel photos
taken by U.S. and British photographers at the liberation of the
German
camps, and especially the awful scenes at Dachau, Buchenwald and
Bergen-Belsen.  We have seen them so many times over four decades we
don't even have to ask what "they" are.  They're "The Photographs." 
These documents are typically presented in a way where it is either
stated or implied that the scenes resulted from deliberate policies on
the part of the Germans.  The documents are real.  The uses to which
they are put are base.

     There was no German policy at any of those camps to deliberately
kill the internees.  In the last months of the war Soviet armies were
advancing on Germany from the east.  The British and U.S. air arms
were
destroying every major city in Germany with saturation bombing. 
Transportation, the food distribution system and medical and
sanitation
services all broke down.  That was the purpose of the Allied bombing,
which has been described as the most barbarous form of warfare in
Europe since the Mongol invasions.  It was successful.

     Millions of refugees fleeing the Soviet armies were pouring into
Germany.  The camps still under German control were overwhelmed with
internees from the eastern camps.  By early 1945 the inmate population
was swept by malnutrition and by epidemics of typhus, typhoid,
dysentery and chronic diarrhea.  Even the mortuary systems broke down.

When the press entered the camps with British and U.S. soldiers, they
found the results of all that.  They took "The Photographs."

     The Allied propaganda machine was laboring furiously to produce
anti-German hate propaganda.  "The Photographs" became their most
successful tools.  Today the same tools are still being used to
"educate" Americans.

     Still, at Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen-Belsen TENS OF THOUSANDS
of healthy internees were liberated.  They were there in the camps
when
"The Photographs" were taken.  There are newsreels of these internees
walking through the camps laughing and talking.  Others show joyful,
well-fed internees throwing their caps in the air and cheering their
liberators.

     You haven't seen those films and photographs, you say?  Why do
you
think that is?  Does it suggest to you questions about the camps that
are not politically correct to ask?

The Dachau "Gas Chambers"

     In the first years after the war there was much eyewitness
testimony about "mass gassings" at Dachau.  In his summing up for the
prosecution at Nuremberg, Sir Hartley Shawcross, chief prosecutor for
Great Britain, spoke of murder "conducted like some mass production
industry in the gas chamber(s) of... Dachau...."

     Today no responsible scholar attempts to claim that there were
mass gassings at Dachau.  Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies, states simply: "There were no
gas chambers at Dachau."

The Jewish Soap Story

     This ugly rumor has been repeated endlessly in our media and
universities.  First Amendment scholar Nat Hentoff can write seriously
that he has seen human soap made from the "tissues of murdered Jews"
displayed on stone tablets in the Chamber of the Holocaust in
Jerusalem.

     Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer and Jewish-American historians
like
Raul Hilberg and Deborah Lipstadt all state that this anti-German hate
story is untrue.  Lipstadt writes: "The Nazis never used the bodies of
Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap."

"Eyewitness" Testimony

     As documentary "proofs" for the mass-murder of the European Jews
fall by the wayside, Holocaust historians depend increasingly on
"eyewitness" testimonies to support their theories.  Many of these
testimonies are ludicrously unreliable.

     Shmuel Krakowski is archives director for Yad Veshem, which is
the
international center for Holocaust documentation in Jerusalem. 
Krakowski states that more than 10,000 "eyewitness" testimonies about
German atrocities against Jews have been shown to be false at Yad
Veshem alone!

"Human Skin" Lamp Shades

     Uncounted Hollywood epics and "eyewitness" testimonies accuse
Germans of skinning Jews to make lamp shades from their hides.

     General Lucius D. Clay, Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation
Zone of Germany (1947-49) discovered that the infamous "human skin"
lamp shades found at Buchenwald were actually made of "goat" skin. 
Which of your professors has denounced this cheap anti-German bigotry
for what it is?

The Free Inquiry Issue --

     Students and professors alike should be free to investigate the
Holocaust story in the same way they are free to examine every other
historical event.  This is not a radical point of view.  The premises
for it were worked out three centuries ago during a little something
called the Enlightenment.  The tools used to arrive at historical
understanding are useless without the rights of Free Inquiry and Open
Debate.

     We are told that it is "anti-Jewish" to question orthodox
assertions about German criminality.  Yet we find that it is Jews
themselves like Mayer, Bauer, Hier, Hilberg, Lipstadt and others who
are beginning to challenge the establishment Holocaust story.  The
charges of anti-Semitism are oftentimes, in fact, used merely to
suppress Revisionist scholarship and the free exchange of ideas
necessary to judge its merits.

     Students should be encouraged to question who benefits from
promoting false Holocaust stories on the one hand and using charges of
"anti-Semitism" to suppress free inquiry into those stories on the
other.

     It is difficult to understand why the concept of Free Inquiry
should be so alarming to those who manage our universities.  Free
Inquiry makes no promise to Revisionism that it does not make to every
other school of thought.  The promise of Free Inquiry is that it will
demonstrate what is true and false in Revisionist scholarship at the
same time that it does so for the orthodox Holocaust literature.

     Free Inquiry does not follow a political or ideological line or
it
isn't free.  Free Inquiry is an equal-opportunity ideal.  Christian,
Jew and Moslem, Black and White, professor and student and layman --
it's there for everyone.  Free Inquiry holds out its arms to each one
of us, urging us to embrace it, use it, exhaust it in our passion for
understanding.

     Understanding, however, unlike Free Inquiry, promises NOTHING. 
That's why there are professors willing to denounce a scholar while
refusing to exchange ideas with him.  They would rather see certain
books suppressed than have to face the awful possibility of coming to
understand something that they have committed their lives and their
careers to not understanding.

The Moral Issue --

     When we suppress open debate on the Holocaust we promote bad
history and undermine the traditionally humane values of the
university.  Bad history replaces historical understanding with
self-righteous nationalism both here and abroad.  It encourages us to
scape-goat old enemies and to seek vengeance rather than
reconciliation.  (It isn't easy, is it, to "reconcile" ourselves with
a
people that skins Jews and cooks them?)

     The suppression of Free Inquiry into the Holocaust story corrupts
public discourse, institutionalizes double standards of justice,
legitimizes charges of guilt-by-association and a moral cowardice in
facing our own limitations as individuals and as people.

     Our refusal to allow critical examination of even the most
bizarre
accusations made against Germans encourages men and women to bear
false
witness, betray their chosen professions, and contributes to the
vulgarization of Jewish suffering.

     Enough is enough!

                                - Bradley R. Smith
______________________________________________________________________

     This article [was] sponsored by the Committee for Open Debate on
the Holocaust (CODOH).  If you would like to access revisionist
scholarship on the Holocaust, or arrange a speaker to appear on your
campus, call (209) 733-2653, or write CODOH   PO Box 3267   Visalia,
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            *** A Prominent False Witness:  Elie Wiesel ***

                          By Robert Faurisson

_____________________________________________________________________

     Elie Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986.  He is generally
accepted as a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and more
specifically,
as a witness to the supposed homicidal gas chambers.  In the Paris
daily "Le Monde" (October 17, 1986, front page), it was emphasized
that
Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because:

     These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical
     revisionism," the elaboration of theses, especially in France,
     questioning the existence of the Nazi gas chambers and, perhaps
     beyond that, of the genocide of the Jews itself.

     But in what respect is Elie Wiesel supposed to be a witness to
the
gas chambers?  By what right does he ask us to believe in that means
of
extermination for a single moment?  In an autobiographical book
supposed to contain his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he
nowhere mentions the gas chambers.^1  He does indeed say that the
Germans executed the Jews, but . . . by fire, by throwing them alive
into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of deportees!  No less than
that!

     Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck.  Forced to
choose
between several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the
fire
lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies.  In
1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was
still alive in certain circles.  This lie is the origin of the term
HOLOCAUST.  Today there is no longer a single historian who believes
that Jews were burned alive.  The myths of the boiling water and of
electrocution have also disappeared.  Only the gas remains.

     The gassing lie was spread by the Americans (see the _War Refugee
Board Report_, published in November of 1944).  The lie that Jews were
killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was
spread
by the Poles (see Nuremberg document PS-3311).  The electrocution lie
was spread by the Soviets (see the "Pravda" article of February 2,
1945, page 4, "The Murder Factory at Auschwitz," and the "Washington
Daily News" of the same day, page 2).

     The fire lie is of undetermined origin.  It is in a sense as old
as war propaganda or hate propaganda.  In 1958 Wiesel published the
French version of his earlier Yiddish testimony under the title _La
Nuit_, with a preface by Francois Mauriac (in English, _Night_,
Discus/Avon books, New York, 1969, 127 pages).  He said that at
Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the adults and another for
the babies.  He wrote:

     Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic
     flames.  They were burning something.  A lorry drew up at the
     pit and delivered its load -- little children.  Babies!  Yes,
     I saw it -- saw it with my own eyes . . . Those children in the
     flames.  (Is it surprising that I could not sleep after that?
     Sleep has fled from my eyes.) (p. 42)

     A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames
where the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames" (p. 43). 
Wiesel's column was led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the
ditch, then to "two steps."  "Two steps from the pit we were ordered
to
turn to the left and made to go into a barracks." (p. 44).

     An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having
met other exceptional witnesses.  Regarding Babi Yar, a place in the
Ukraine where the Germans executed Soviet citizens and, among them,
Jews, Wiesel wrote:

     Later, I learned from a witness that, for month after month, the
     ground never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time,
     geysers of blood spurted from it (_Paroles d'etranger_, Editions
     de Seuil, 192 pages, p. 86).

     These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy:
first, he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at
least once) he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words
were translated into various languages, as is everything this author
writes.

     That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a
miracle.  He has said that:

     In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day.
     I was always in the last hundred near the gate.  They stopped.
     Why?  ("Author, Teacher, Witness," "Time", March 18, 1985, p.
     79).

     In 1954 Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie" in regard
to the German concentration camps.  At that time she wrote:

     Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth,
     much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject
     like that of the concentration camp world -- well designed,
     alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginings -- offered them
     an exceptional field of action.  We have known numerous
     mentally damaged persons, half swindlers and half fools, who
     exploited an imaginary deportation ; we have known others of
     them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to go
     even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people
     said had happened to them.  There have been publishers to print
     some of their imaginings, and more or less official compilations
     to use them, but publishers and compilers are absolutely
     inexcusable, since the most elementary inquiry would have been
     enough to reveal the imposture ("Le Systeme concentrationnaire
     allemand [1940-1944],"  "Revue de l'histoire de la Deuxieme
     guerre mondiale", July 1954, p. 18, n. 2).

     Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names.  But that
is usually the case.  People agree that there were false gas chambers
that tourists and pilgrims are encouraged to visit, but they do not
tell us where.  They agree that there are false "eye witnesses," but
in
general they name only Martin Gray, the well-known swindler, at whose
request Max Gallo, with full knowledge of what he was doing,
fabricated
the bestseller _For Those I Loved_.

     Jean-Francois Steiner is sometimes named as well.  His
bestselling
novel _Treblinka_ (1966) was presented as a work of which every detail
was guaranteed by oral or written testimony; in reality it was a
fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the novelist Gilles
Perrault ("Le Journal du Dimanche", March 30, 1985, p. 5).  Marek
Halter, for his part, published his _La Memoire d'Abraham_ in 1983; as
he often does on radio, he talked there about his experiences in the
Warsaw ghetto.  But if we are to believe an article by Nicolas Beau
that is quite favorable to Halter ("Liberation", January 24, 1986, p.
19), little Marek, about three years old, and his mother left Warsaw
not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the establishment of the
ghetto by the Germans.  Halter's book is supposed to have been
actually
written by a ghost writer, Jean-Noel Gurgan.

     Filip Muller is the author of _Trois ans dans une chambre a gaz a
Auschwitz_ (Three Years in a Gas Chamber at Auschwitz),^2 (foreword by
Claude Lanzmann), which won the 1980 LICRA prize (International League
against Racism and Anti-Semitism, headed by Jean-Pierre Bloch, alias
Jean Pierre-Bloch).  His nauseating bestseller was the work of a
German
ghostwriter, Helmut Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in
plagiarism (see Carlo Mattogno, _Auschwitz: un caso di plagio_,
Edizioni La Sfinge, Parma, Italy, 1986, 30 pages).  The source of the
plagiarism was _Doctor at Auschwitz_, another bestseller made up out
of
whole cloth by someone named Miklos Nyiszli.  Thus a whole series of
works presented as authentic documents turn out to be merely
compilations attributable to various ghostwriters: Max Gallo, Gilles
Perrault, Jean-Noel Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag, among others.

     We would like to know what Germain Tillion thinks about Elie
Wiesel today.  With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous.  Wiesel
claims to be full of love for humanity.  However, he does not refrain
>from  an appeal to hatred.  In his opinion:

     Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of
     hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies
     and for what persists in the German.  To do otherwise would be a
     betrayal of the dead ("Appointment with Hate," _Legends of Our
     Time_, New York, Avon books, 1968, pages 177-78).

     At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the West German
Bundestag
took the initiative of proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize;
that
would be, they said, "a great encouragement to all who are active in
the process of reconciliation" (West German Government, "The Week in
Germany", January 31, 1986, p. 2).  That is what might be called
"going
>from  National Socialism to national masochism."

     Jimmy Carter needed a historian to preside over the President's
Commission on the Holocaust.  As Arthur Butz said so well, he chose
not
a historian but a "histrion": Elie Wiesel.  Even the newspaper "Le
Monde", in the above-mentioned article, was obliged to refer to the
histrionic trait that certain persons deplore in Wiesel.  It did so in
these terms:

       Naturally, even among those who approve of the struggle of
     this American Jewish writer, who was discovered by the Catholic
     Francois Mauriac, some reproach him for having too much of a
     tendency to change the Jewish sadness into "morbidity" or to
     become the high priest of a "planned management of the
     Holocaust."

     There is no business like SHOAH-business.  As Leon A. Jick wrote
several years ago:

       The devastating barb: "There is no business like SHOAH-
     business" is, sad to say, a recognizable truth ("The Holocaust:
     Its Use and Abuse within the American Public," Yad Veshem
     Studies, Jerusalem, 1981, p. 316).

     Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against
Revisionist authors.  He senses that things are getting out of hand. 
It is going to become more and more difficult for him to maintain the
mad belief that the Jews were exterminated or were subjected to a
policy of extermination, especially in so-called gas chambers.  Serge
Klarsfeld just recently admitted that real proofs of the existence of
the gas chambers have still not yet been published.  He promises
proofs.  He cites his best specimen; it is grotesque (see VSD,
interview, May 29, 1986, p. 37).

     On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished.  To
tell
the truth, that myth breathed its last breath a few years ago at the
Sorbonne colloquium (June 29-July 2, 1982) over which Raymond Aron and
Francois Furet presided.  What remains is to make this news known to
the general public.  However, for Elie Wiesel it is of the highest
importance to conceal that news.  Thus all the fuss in the media,
which
is going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the more the
historians keep quiet.

     But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against
the lies and the hatred.  That is the case with Michel de Bouard,
former member of the Resistance, deportee to Mauthausen, member of the
Committee for the History of the Second World War from 1945 to 1981
(the date of its integration into the Institut d'Histoire du Temps
Present) member of the Institute of France.  In a poignant interview
in
"Ouest-France" (August 2-3, 1986, p. 6), he courageously acknowledged
that in 1954 he had vouched for the existence of a gas chamber at
Mauthausen where, it finally turns out, there never was one.

     The respect owed to the sufferings of all the victims of the
Second World War, and, in particular, to the sufferings of the
deportees, demands on the part of historians a return to the proven
and
time-honored methods of historical criticism.

                                NOTES

1.  There is one single allusion, extremely vague and fleeting, on
pages 78-79: Wiesel, who very much likes to have conversations with
God, said to Him: "But these men here, whom You have betrayed, whom
You
have allowed to be tortured, butchered, gassed, burned, what do they
do?  They pray before you!" (_Night_, New York, Discus/Avon Books,
1969).  In his preface to that same book, Francois Mauriac mentioned
"the gas chamber and the crematory" (p. 8).  The four crucial pages of
"testimony" by Elie Wiesel are reproduced in facsimile in: Pierre
Guillaume, _Dtroit et Histoire_, Paris, 1986 (80 francs, La Vieille
Taupe, BP 9805, F-75224 Paris Cedex 05).  In January of 1945, in
anticipation of a Russian takeover, the Germans were evacuating
Auschwitz.  Elie Wiesel, a young teenager at the time, was
hospitalized
in Birkenau (the "extermination camp") after surgery on an infected
foot.  His doctor had recommended two weeks of rest and good food but,
before his foot healed, the Russian takeover became imminent.
Hospital
patients were considered unfit for the long trip to the camps in
Germany and Elie thus could have remained at Birkenau to await the
Russians.  Although his father had permission to stay with him as a
hospital patient or orderly, father and son talked it over and decided
to move out with the Germans (see Dorothy Calden, "The Sunday Sun"
[Toronto, Canada], May 31, 1987, p. C4, and _La Nuit_, p. 123-130.)

2.  In English: _Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas
Chambers_, New York, Stein and Day, 1979, XIV-180 p., with a foreword
by Professor Yehuda Bauer, Chairman, Institute of Contemporary Jewry,
Hebrew University, Jerusalem.
_____________________________________________________________________

Robert Faurisson is Associate Professor of French Literature at the
University of Lyon-2 in France.  He specializes in the appraisal and
evaluation of texts and documents.  A frequent contributor to _The
Journal of Historical Review_, Professor Faurisson has published
numerous articles and books, including _Is the Diary of Frank
Genuine?_
and _Response a Pierre Vidal-Naquet_.
_____________________________________________________________________

                            IN SUMMATION

1.  Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to
the alleged Holocaust.

2.  Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book _Night_, he makes no
mention of gas chambers; rather he claims to have witnessed Jews being
burnt alive, a claim now dismissed by all historians.  Wiesel gives
credence to the most absurd stories of other "eye-witnesses"; he
spreads fantastic tales of having escaped gassing in a Buchenwald gas
chamber which never existed.

3.  The testimony of other famous "eyewitnesses," including
Jean-Francois Steiner, Filip Muller, and Miklos Nziszli, has been
revealed to have been literary creations of ghostwriters, or indeed
plagiarized.

4.  It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the
genuine
sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians
return to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the
testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous
scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance.
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   |  Alarmed, the Thought Police take a poll, and find out that their
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   |  iron hold over People's minds is indeed slipping!  So they are
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   |  stepping up even further their oppressive, one-sided, lie-ridden
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   |  Thought Control operations in a desperate attempt to maintain
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   |  their power over us (who are their "sheep".)  They definitely do
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   |  not want their "sheep" to have free access to information, nor
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   |  the ability to share it with others, and they especially do not
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   |  want us to engage in the horrible "criminal act" of thinking for
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   |  ourselves (ThoughtCrime) or, worse yet, questioning their
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>From  _The Oregonian_ (owned by the Zionist/Jewish "House of
Newhouse"),
Tuesday, April 20, 1993 (page A5):


              "A third of Americans have Holocaust doubts"

                            By David Briggs
                          The Associated Press


[]  The findings of a new poll shock Holocaust survivors, who escaped
the
    systematic extermination of Jews


  NEW YORK -- A third of Americans are open to the possibility that
the
Holocaust, Nazi Germany's extermination of 6 million Jews, never
happened,
a survey released Monday found.
  Twenty-two percent of respondents to the Roper Organization survey
said
it seemed possible the Holocaust never happened, and 12 percent said
they
did not know if it was possible or impossible, the American Jewish
Committee said.
  The findings shocked Holocaust survivors, some of whom have devoted
much
of their lives to keeping alive the memory of the systematic
extermination
of Jews during World War II.
  "What have we done?  We have been working for years and years," said
a
stunned Elie Wiesel, a Nobel laureate who chronicled his experiences
at the
Auschwitz and Buchenwald concentration camps.
  "I am shocked that 22 percent... oh, my God."
  Benjamin Meed, president of the American Gathering of Jewish
Holocaust
Survivors, called the findings alarming.  "It was a Jewish tragedy but
the
message is universal: It happened to Jews, it could happen to anyone."
  Roper interviewed 992 adults Nov. 14-21 and 506 high school students
Oct.
19-30.  The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percent for the adult
survey and plus or minus 5 percent for the school survey.
  David Singer, research director for the American Jewish Committee,
said
the study "is the first attempt ever to systematically get at what
Americans know about the Holocaust."
  The survey found that 72 percent of adults and 64 percent of high
school
students said it was essential or very important for all Americans to
know
about and understand the Holocaust.
  In addition, 63 percent of adult respondents and 54 percent of high
school respondents rejected the idea that the Holocaust was not
relevant
today because it happened almost 50 years ago.
  But the survey also found a "disturbing" lack of knowledge about the
Holocaust, Singer said.
  For example, it found 65 percent of adults and 71 percent of high
school
students failed to recognize 6 million as the approximate number of
Jews
killed in the Holocaust.
  Thirty-eight percent of adults and 51 percent of high school
students did
not identify Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka as concentration camps.
  Twenty-two percent of adults and 20 percent of high school students
said
it seemed possible that the Holocaust never happened, Singer said.
  Broken down by groups, there was little difference in the responses
by
age or education.

[end of article]

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ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:

>For your information Tyrone is  one of the computer mavins associated with 
>that well-known landed immigrant and key Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.  
>"Caveat Emptor".


   A bit behind the tims here. I have not seen mr. Zundel for over 2
years. When I did Know him it was for a period of about4 month's.
Please get your information straight. 




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>Well that's not quite accurate, is it? Zuendel was convicted of
>spreading false news, a criminal code violation. The conviction was
>overturned on appeal to the Supreme Court on the grounds that the law
>was unconstitutional. That is not the same thing as an acquittal. It's
>more like what people mean when they say someone "got off on a
>technicality."

>But I would not wish to belittle the court's decision: it did hold
>that free speech should be protected even at the risk of having to
>tolerate a liar.

   Gee Are you not lucky that Zundel had that law struck sown?



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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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Subject: Re: Introduction to the holocaust
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>That seems to be Zuendel's technique - he cons others into
>posting his drivel for him, while loudly complaining that he
>is denied "free and open discussion."

  Well I have Not seen Mr. Zundel for a few years So i guess it would
be hard for him to con me into posting for him. Also If you realy want
to Ask Ernst why he is not here. Why not call him voice? His number
(Unlike some people who hide) is out in the open. People can reach him
24 hours a day. So who is the coward. One who sit behind a computer
screen typing away or someone who openly encourages people to call
him?????  Since you are making such a big deal about not knowing why
he wwill not come and Debate you. Why not call him and ask him
yourself instead of asking people (LIke me) that have no idea why???









From Tmason@inforamp.net Sun Sep 24 12:43:16 PDT 1995
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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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Subject: Re: Introduction to Mason's "straight facts"
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>Speaking of getting one's information straight, Mr. Mason...

>In your recent article "66 Questions & Answers," you included
>the following:

>   5. AUSCHWITZ WAS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF 
>      THAT GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING HUMAN BEINGS 
>      EXISTED AT OR IN AUSCHWITZ? 
> 
>   No. A reward of $50,000 was offered for such proof, the money
>   being held in trust by a bank, but no one came up with any
>   credible evidence. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was
>   extensively modified after the war and mortuaries were
>   reconstructed to look like large "gas chambers." It is now a 
>   big tourist attraction for the communist Polish government. 

>That information is factually incorrect, Mr. Mason. It is, in
>fact, a blatent lie. Given your apparent wish that _others_
>"get their information straight," and your obvious dedication
>to Truth, will you now retract this lie?

   Well If you really thought about it you would realize that I'm not
the author of this.  I just posted it to make it available to people
of the internet. You see to do the same. You have made available to
the internet files taht Are full of lies and half-truth's Not that
this is a lie. You see to shoot of from the mouth about it being a lie
yet you show now Evidence to show why it is a lie. You just state that
it is a lie. PROOVE IT!


>In yet another article, you included the following claim:

>   The Red Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish 
>   camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died. 

>That statement, according to the International Red Cross in
>Geneva, is also factually incorrect - in short, another lie.
>Will you now retract and admit that your information wasn't
>"straight?"

   Again proove it? CAn you or do you expect people just to take a
word from someone like you who Make's available Files taht are Full of
lies and half-truth's???


>In yet another article, you including the following:

>   Even _The Diary of Anne Frank_ is a hoax.  Portions of 
>   the diary were written with a ball point pen.  These pens 
>   were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived.

>Since the government of the Netherlands has conclusively
>demonstrated that this is a false assertion - and noted that
>the ball point pen writing appeared on two slips of paper
>inserted (perhaps as placemarks) into the diary, and no-where
>else, will you now retract your false assertion, and admit
>that your "information" wasn't "straight?"

    Again proove it. 



From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 15:04:29 PDT 1995
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <44anr8$r8e@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>, 
>campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote:

>>In any event, he says he is ready and willing to "Fly out to 
>>Victoria and debate McVay".  Sounds to me like the best 
>>bang for yer buck since Max Schmelling met Joe Louis.  

>Still hasn't got the balls for UseNet, though, does he?
>Strange that Mr. Zundel would engage in a "free and open
>debate" before a small crowd in Victoria, but is afraid to
>engage in that same discussion before a potential audience of
>40 million.

   Well Maybe it is Because he has better things to do that Debate
with People like. The man Only has 24 hours in a day. He is On 50+
T.V. Stations. He has 4 Newletters, he has 20 Radio Stations to feed
his Radio show to.  Then there is the fact that he has to rebuild his
house because of people Like you who wise to deny him his right to
free speech By promoting hatred  toward him. You have made Unfounded
accusations toward the man behind his back. He has spoken with James
about a Link of Web sites. He has stated that He would consult people
about it. The man has More than just the Internet on his mind right
now. Unlike You McVay he cannot live on the internet. If you have read
the messages to James you would find that he states that HE will do it
NOt  to benefit Your cause But his OWN!.  He also stated that He has
to consult with his Lawyer. Some of you people are asking why. Well
When you have been dragged before the courts for 10 years By the jews
and then a Person representing a jewish cause aproachs you, You would
be cautious as well.



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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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   More Hatred from Elias.

>Prove to us, Mr. Mason, that you are not a liar.  If you can't, then you
>are indeed a liar, according to your own criteria.


     Well You People are the ones  Who state how strong your arguments
are. So far all you have done is post Information that is Not
creditable or crontridicts itself. Mr. McVay has stated Lies up[on
lies and I believe Haplo has brought them to light. Were is McVays
replies? is he keeping low so he does not have to answear the
questions? And then there is dany Karen Who has yet to answear Haplo
as well. Is he also hiding to avoid having to answear the questios? is
he afraid of the truth????

  You have posted nothing but Hatred on the internet. Why not post
some facts and join the rest of use in inteligent debate instead of
Just spewing the hatred you have been???





>.





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>>>No, but I do it anyway, because I can't resist the temptation of flaming
>>>lamers like you, especially when they are sprouting lies.  You were
>>>talking about your professional revisionist friends, weren't you?
>>   Why not give the ral reason? You love to PROMOTE HATE!!! Pure and
>>simple. You Flame people who disagree with your ideas. You do this
>>because you have no facts to back you up. So you resort to Pure
>>hatred. 

>Lame turning-the-table tactic.  We've seen it a thousand times before.


  But Judging By his post it has been well earned. Pure hatred no
argument. Like so many others.






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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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Subject: Re: Introduction to the holocaust
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>somebody who knows Ernst Zu"ndel.   This shows that Zu"ndel has somebody
>else read and answer at least some of his e-mail on his behalf.

   My point exactly. Thank-you.

>I am e-mailing Ernst a copy of this post.

  go ahead. I'm sure whoever read his mail will probally delete it
anyways...




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elias@rhi.hi.is (Elias Halldor Agustsson) wrote:

>I leave it to the reader to draw parallels between the styles (there are a
>few comments by me at the end, though.  Look out for the misspellings) :


>As I said, I leave it to the reader to draw his or her own conclusions,
>although I would like to add one or two superficial observations.  Note
>the illiterate use of uppercase characters and a random pattern of
>phonetic misspellings, for example "answear," which is the preferred
>spelling of both HAPLO and Mason.

>Elias

>P.S. Sorry about the extra empty lines, but my newsreader won't accept
>more quoted text than submitted.

   Well I would be very curious as to what this prooves besides the
fact that we have misspelled some simmilar words? Is this an attempt
by Elias to avoid a debate she would loose???? I ahve meet MR. Haplo
are a couple of occasions. This does not make him me or me him. Nice
way to avoid a debate though.





































































































































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From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Story
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason)  writes:
> 
> 
># CAnada, The
># U.s and other country also hads camps. People died in them as well.
># Does this mean that Canada and the U.S. had a plan for mass
># extermination??.
> 
>No.
> 
>But scenes like the following didn't take place in the camps
>run by the US:
> 
>SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz: 
>[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
>Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].

> 
>
> 
> 
>-Danny Keren.


   Hav you answeared HAPLO's question about your books yet or do plan
on ingnoring him? I would be very interested in the reply to his
answears. Second this book is from 1988. Were did the autor get his
facts????




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>It would be nice, however, if Mr. Mason would actually write something of 
>his own, rather than simply re-posting old crap from the IHR and Zundel's 
>files...

  Truth is Truth. 



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> 
>They can also be convinced that the Earth is flat, that Elvis is still
>alive, and that Santa Claus can fit down their chimneys.

   Are you speaking from Persoanl experience???? Well hell You believe
in the Holohoax. guess you must be.


>BZZZZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing. Leuchter's credentials (or lack
>thereof) has been discussed here for quite some time. If ANYTHING doesn't
>add up, it's Leuchter's assertions.

   Your right it was worng. He WAS America;s leading expert. Till Some
jewish groups decided to launch a terror campaighn (hey the PLO are
not the only ones). The could not refute him with facts so they found
the only way to disproove his claims was to discredit him. Well We
know the truth though don;t we????

> 
>If Leuchter's America's "leading expert," then this is a sad country
>indeed. And I'm Queen Victoria.

   Gee and I thought Sybil was hard to understand. So are you Queen
Victoria, Sara AKA Perfect, Or Sara Swartz?? WOw Hard to keep up with
All your names.



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>> 
>> There is no specification as to which part of this statement is claimed to
>> be false. There was a reward off of $50,000 for such proof, and no one
>> came forward with evidence. This is a fact. 

>That is a lie, Mr. Raven.

>Mel Mermelstein came forward and won a court decision
>against the IHR for $50,000 plus some extra.

>Whether or not _you_ believe Mermelstein had proof 
>is a different matter.  The court did not share your
>opinion.

 
  You should realy keep up to speed. the fact is that he was awarded
that amout yes. BUt NOT FOR PROOF. Just for saying he was Insulted by
the statment. Poor little Jewish boy couldn't come up with Facts so he
Said "My feelings were hurt" and the Judge Gave him 90,000. Gee I
wonder if he gave the Judge any????.





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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Greg Raven  wrote:

># In a pit, oxygen is in short supply. 

>Can anyone understand what this sentence means?



  Well Danny boy. If you would quote the whole paragraph around the
sentence you would probaly be able to figure it out.





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