Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:17:03 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

So now where is your proof they were JEWS? Are jews the only people
who were killed durring WW2 or are you only interested in the death
of jews? I am in no way upholding hitler or the nazi's but what about
American bombers how many innocent Germans did they kill? and How do
you cremate a body in a baking oven ? Wake up!!!! this is 1999 and
most everyone who was responsiible for thoes mass graves in now in
a grave most likely. give it a rest please!

Charles

>philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=422
> > People die during a war, it has happened all over the
> > world. They also die for many things and most are buried!
> >
> > Maybe they should drill for traces of Tay - Sachs !
>
> People don't just happen to die and end up in mass graves on the site
> of a know extermination camp. Together with Nazi admissions and
> documentary evidence, the actions of Nazi Germany with respect to Jews
> and others is beyond doubt.
>
> Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: maxwell99@webtv.net (Colleen Jones)
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Re the mass graves - many people were killed in the bombing raids and I
always wondered too no mention about their grave sites.....but the Pope
years back made similar remarks about a lot of Polish people died too
when it came to the holocaust...and then, someone shot him.....his would
be assassin confided to the Pope who put him up to it, but his lips are
sealed....howevr, the Pope did not fall in the open field and that is
the Rosicrucian CFR plan....for the believers, they must see this man
fall in the open, mortally wounded...his recent fall - how could they
let him do that.

So anybody who questions who did what, often there is retaliation by
Mossad in disguise....my brother in law dropped bombs in WWII but it was
nothing of which he was proud.   But he always loved the Red Baron.

Colleen

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Doubting Thomases
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:02:28 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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In a message dated 8/29/99 5:52:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< Perhaps that explains the human skin artifacts found at Buchenwald, which
can be
 seen at the United States National Archives?
  >>

    Isn't Buchenwald located in the old Soviet Union region? Isn't it strange
that all of the so called "Death Camps"  were located in the Jewish
controlled Soviet Union? have you ever wondered why? The Jews that controlled
the killing machine of scores of millions (at least 66 million) of Christians
in the Soviet Union had to fabricate some kind of atrocity to sway the people
of the world to look another direction.
    Hitler was sending his army to Moscow to round up these criminals himself
since the United States and Britain were going to have an alliance with the
paranoid butcher Stalin and his Brother-in-law Lazar M. Kaganovich (a Jew),
who was known as the "Wolf of the Kremlin".
    Another thing that I have to question is: The United States National
Archives has skin artifacts (sic) to display like a Ripley's Believe it or
Not Museum is as big a joke as the 6 million (to be lowered again to 4.5
million).
    Even the ovens (sic) that cremated or burned the Jews would had to of
been a waste of coal or gas in a very important time. There are NO aerial
photographs at anytime that show smoke coming from any of the "Death Camps".
If these were death camps, why did some survive them for six years?  Was it
Simon Wiesenthal who cut his wrists to end his life and woke up in the
infirmary being nursed back to health by those mean ole Nazis?
Michael Snead
14-88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Slander Against Germany
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:07:48 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=430
> At 06:25 AM 8/27/99 -0700, philnancy@aol.com wrote:
> >pmathew-@devine-pearson.com wrote:
>
> >> >Philip Mathews
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Where are the mountains of ash, Mathews?
> >
> >
> >There doesn't have to be mountains of ash.
>
>
> That's not what you answered the last two times I asked this question
> of you. Here are your answers to me awhile back.
>
>
> Subject: Re: Where's the ASH
> X-Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Date: 1999/01/07
> Author: PHILNANCY 
> Posting History
>
>
> In >Message-id: <36941B3B.34D9@connect.ab.caKadach wrote:
>
>
>
>                     >
>                     >PHILNANCY wrote:
>                     >>
>                     >> In >Message-id: <36940ECF.5B1B@connect.ab.ca>K
adach
> wrote:
>                     >>
>                     >> >PHILNANCY wrote:
>                     >> >>
>                     >> >> In >Message-id:
>                     <199901070004.QAA13461@sirius.infonex.com>jethro
bodean
>                     >> >wrote:
>                     >> >>
>                     >> >> >If we are going to discuss the finer
details of
> cremation,
>                     >> >> >we certainly need to address the fact that
> several of the
>                     >> >> >larger human bones are not reduced to ash
during
> cremation.
>                     >> >> >Therefore, skeptical minds want to know
where
> are the millions
>                     >> >> >of bones of Jews "holocausted" in Europe
during
> WWII???????
>                     >> >> >Serious answers only, please.  Insults and
> smart-aleck remarks
>                     >> >> >will not bolster your case one iota.
>                     >> >>
>                     >> >> Fuck off!
>                     >> >>
>                     >> >> Philip Mathews
>                     >> >
>                     >> >
>                     >> >Where is the ash you arschloch?
>                     >> >
>                     >> >
>                     >>
>                     >> He's not looking for the ash, ass.  He's
looking for
> bones, drone.
>                     >>
>                     >> Philip Mathews
>                     >
>                     >
>                     >And where are the bones?  You're little
misdirection ploy
>                     >won't work. A person asks a simple question and
your
> answer
>                     >is "fuck off". Talk about evasion.
>                     >Where are the mountains of ash you arschloch?
>                     >
>                     >Regards,
>                     >
>                     >Ed Kadach
>
>                     Fuck off.
>
>                     Philip Mathews
>
>                     "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual
labor;
> but even supposing
>                     knowledge to be easily attainable, more people
would be
> content to be
>                     ignorant than would take even a little trouble to
> acquire it."
>                      Samuel Johnson

Yes, in other words, there need be no mountains of ash Eddie. Is it
getting through yet?

>
>
>
> > As McVay has stated on alt.revisionism, Nizkor
> >> has only enough funding till the end of the year and the rumour
mill
> >has
> >> it the usual funding will cease.(And do you blame them, he has
become
> >an
> >> embarrassment)
> >
> >Nizkor's funding has nothing to do with the Holocaust as historical
> >fact. You and others have been predicting the demise of this fine
> >organization for years. I must send Mr. McVay a check today!
> >
> >
> >Philip Mathews
>
>
> Yes, by all means send your check of $10.00 directly to Ken and not
> to Nizkor. We know what Ken does with the Nizkor funds. And by the
> way, forward this tidbit to Mr. McVay who apparently, as you yourself
> know has commenced to share some of my comments with REDmontons
> finest.
>

You don't know any of these things. They are just your usual lies,
substituted for facts, of which you have none. All you have is a
mindless animus toward Jews, which you demonstate beautifully.

>
> >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:47:20 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
> >Subject: Re: NAZIKOR/NIZKOR/McVAY  SWINDLES  EVEN  JEWS
> >X-Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
> >Organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>
>
> >In article <3782AC9B.528E@connect.ab.ca> you write:
> >>Just mail it directly to McVay so he doesn't have to embezzle
> >>it from Nazikor.
> >
> >I am going to do you a favour, Mr. Kadach, and plitiely suggest that
> >you be careful with your accusations.
> >
> >If you doubt the import of Canada's criminal defamation code, I
> >suggest you discuss it with Detective Kunce, Edmonton Police Service.
> >You can reach him at 403-421-3559.
> >
> >If you continue making irresponsible accusations of criminal behavior
> >on my part, I will file a formal criminal complaint with the Edmonton
> >Police, as I have done in another case.
> >
> >The Special Prosecutions Branch of Justice Alberta is now reviewing a
> >previous complaint, after receiving the Court Brief from Detective
> >Kunce. Although this is a long and tedious process, I assure you my
> >complaint will get due attention.
> >
> >Consider this a polite, private, word to the wise. You won't get
> >another.
> >
> >Ken McVay
> >
> >--
> >                   Church of the Creator: Creed of Hate
> >            http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/cotc/
> >
> >    The Nizkor Project: An electronic Holocaust education resource

You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!

Philip Mathews



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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poland: Mass Graves?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:11:48 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/29/99 2:49:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
great_pyramid@hotmail.com writes:

<< This is interesting. I notice not one autopsy report is included. This
 report tells us nothing, but is full of conjecture as usual taken as facts
>>

There will be no autopsy report where the truth will be told because they
will definitely see that there was an epidemic of Typhus that killed these
people.
Michael Snead

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Subject: [13texan] Re: NOTHING BUT JEWISH LIES
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:27:24 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=427
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:11:52 -0400
> To:
> Reply-To:
> Subject:)NOTHING BUT JEWISH LIES
> Sender:
>
(Snip long, hatefilled, antisemitic rant.

>
> THE NUMBER OF JEWS BEING KILLED DURING WWII
>
>
> As to the number of Jews supposedly gassed at the various camps, at
no time
> during the German occupation of Europe were there more than 4,5
million
> Jews living in that area

Nonsense. The Germans themselves estimated the total at over 11 million
in the Wannsee Protocols. The number was probably somewhat less, but
substantially more than 6 million.

. If we look into the information which the Zionist
> Publication, "The Canadian Jewish News", from 1. January 1981 give us:
>
> In this paper it is stated that by 1980 almost 99,1% of all damage
claims
> by Jews had been paid and that 4,344,371 Jews had got their money
from Germany

Good. After half a century.

>
> My questions are:
>
> - How can 6 million be gassed when only 4.5 million Jews lived in the
area
> occupied by Germany from 1939 till December 1944? (Why December 1944?
> Because the chief holocaust rabbi Elie Wiesel tells us in his
autobiography
> "The Night" that he and his father were moved from Auschwitz in
January
> 1945 and they had not been gassed.)

As I've pointed out your numbers are wrong. The fact that the Nazis
didn't kill all Jews doesn't mean they didn't try.

>
> (actually it was less than 4,5 Mill. far less. The Baseler News on
> 18.June 1946 worked out some 3,6 Million.  A figure we could confirm
> from old dictionarys released pre war-)

A lie.
>
> - How can 6 million be gassed when only 4.5 million Jews lived in the
area
> and 4.344 million of those 4.5 million survived?

Repeating the same lie gives it no currency.
>
> - According to the Jewish holocaust lies "all children and females
were
> gassed upon arrival at the camp".

Not true. But most.
>
> How is it that many Jewish children were born in the camps?

How many were born in the camps?

>
> According to the age of many of those who now are claiming money from
> German, Swiss and Austrian Banks they must have been born either just
> before or during the war. This does not fit the hoax of the Germans
killing
> all Jewish children.

Unsupported assertions.
>
> LET US PRETEND THAT HITLER DID ORDER ALL JEWS KILLED!
>
> If he had there would not have been one Jew alive 20 days after he had
> issued such an order!!!!!!!! So strong was his power in Germany!!!!!

Nonsense. An outlandish claim exposing the depths of ignorance.

>
> They would not have been gassed but shot. The cost of gassing a
person in
> 1940 was over 10,000 times more than the cost of one bullet. Nobody
would
> choose that costly method to kill somebody when they could use
bullets.
> Only Jews can think such idiotic thoughts as using gas to kill.

More nonsense. Over 1 million were shot by the Einsaztgruppen, but as
Nazi documents and testimony revealed it took a terrible psychological
toll on the soldiers carrying out the shootings and allowed for far too
many witnesses to the crimes. Gassing, first in mobile vans and then in
fixed extermination facilities was substituted for shooting.

>
> As over 4.3 Million Jews survived neither he nor any other of the
German
> leadership issued any order regarding gassing or killing of Jews. No,
> Hitler wanted the Jews moved out of Europe and he wanted to ship them
> eastwards. This was after he realised he could not move them to
Madagascar.
> But the war stopped the movement of the Jews away from European soil.

Any thought of emigration ended in 1941, and the The Final Solution,
the extermination of European Jewry, was implemented. Better than 2/3
of Europes Jews perished.

>
> To remove the Jews from European soil was a good idea and should have
been
> welcomed by all parties. The Jews do not belong on European soil,
they are
> nomads and Asiatics and thus not fit to live on our continent!

More nonsense. They belong whereever they wish to be, like any other
person. The Jews of Germany had been there for 4 hundred years by WWII,
and their presence throughout Europe was of long standing. Hitler and
Nazis had no business deciding the fate of a whole people.

>
> Let us unite in the demand that the Jews give us and the world
judicial and
> forensic proof that one of their brethren was gassed. If they can't
then
> let us remove them from our midst.

Proven over 50 years ago, and every year since. It is not the Jews who
have proven this, but historians.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poland: Mass Graves?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:31:02 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=443
> In a message dated 8/29/99 2:49:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> great_pyramid@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << This is interesting. I notice not one autopsy report is included.
This
>  report tells us nothing, but is full of conjecture as usual taken as
facts
> >>
>
> There will be no autopsy report where the truth will be told because
they
> will definitely see that there was an epidemic of Typhus that killed
these
> people.

There was no typhus epidemic at Belzec! Belzec was not a labor camp, no
prisoners were kept there. They arrived and were gassed.  As the Nazis
admitted.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:41:38 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/29/99 5:48:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< >      Lazar M. Kaganovich was responsible for at least 20 million himself
and
 > the destruction of hundreds of beautiful Christian Churches.

 I guess that the difference is that there isn't any movement afoot to deny
that
 such things happened.
  >>

    First of all it can't be denied because the Aryan people have no reason
to fabricate any atrocities. The Jewish historians have suppressed these
truths and  with them owning 90% of the book publication that was easy to do.
And Gorman, go outside your Jewish circle and take a poll and ask just one
question: Have you heard of Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich? You will get a zero
response.
    Your friends have done well to surpress the murdering Jew who was
responcible for the death of  20 million white Christians and have glorified
Holahoax survivors, extorted money from every nation in the world and made
Hitler's six million (sic) dead Jews seem like a terrible thing.
    What you need to do is quit guessing because when all is said and done,
God's children will prevail and we all know who wins in the end. To bad you
read the Talmud, it doesn't tell you the TRUTH. You have a chance to turn
from your wicked race, I mean ways and make a real change. By the way why
don't you try to find me a good used Talmud for about $10.00.
Thanks Bud (sic),
Michael Snead
14-88

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Subject: [13texan] More Conjecture
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:57:48 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

One wrote previously:
I have a picture that shows a traffic sign, telling the drivers to go 5mph
because of typhus can be carried in the dust! The Jews have made a lot to do
about nothing over this so called Holocaust especially when the Jew-Boshevic
controlled Soviet union was responsible for the slaughter of over 66 million
to 100 million white, Christian Russians from 1917-1959.
~~~~~~~
Herb:
I don't see what one horror had to do with the other. Both were terrible,
and all of the perpetrators are to be condemned.
~~~~~~~
Me: For the predominant Jewish role in what happened in the Soviet Union
during this time, Nizkor will never condemn them. Simon Weasenthal will
never condemn them. Elie the Weasel will never condemn them. Morris the
Sleaze will never condemn them. But they will all whine about the growth of
"anti-'Semitism.'"
~~~~~~~
One wrote:
Lazar M. Kaganovich was responsible for at least 20 million himself and the
destruction of hundreds of beautiful Christian Churches.
~~~~~~~
Herb:
I guess that the difference is that there isn't any movement afoot to deny
that such things happened.
~~~~~~~
Me: Yes there is, Herb. One is labeled a "hater" and an "anti-'Semite'" for
telling the truth.
~~~~~~~
I had said about the so-called Polish mass graves:
Me: This is interesting. I notice not one autopsy report is included. This
report tells us nothing, but is full of conjecture as usual taken as facts
that these people were murdered and buried here.
~~~~~~~
Herb:
The archeological team was led by Polish scientists.
~~~~~~~
Me: Where are the autopsy reports, Herb?
~~~~~~~
I had said:
Interesting, Michael, but I thought the Germans loved lamp shades.
~~~~~~~
Herb:
Perhaps that explains the human skin artifacts found at Buchenwald, which
can be seen at the United States National Archives?
~~~~~~~
Me: They're goat skins, Herb.
~~~~~~~
I had said:
That's what has always been so funny about the whole phony Hoaxa¢au$t®
story. The Germans hated Jews so much they would first gas them,
then take their bodies and use them for soap and lamp shades.
~~~~~~~
Herb:
I have never seen a report of such use of Jewish bodies. Can you tell me
where to find it? I know that the Germans did experiment with making soap
from human fat, but there isn't any evidence that they used Jews for these
experiments, unless you are aware of some that wasn't previously known?
~~~~~~~
Me: This is too much. The Kikes started this story a long time ago. Some
still try to tell it like it's a fact, and Herb's never heard of it until
now. Go ask Nizkor, Herb, or Simon, or Elie, or Morris about this story.
It's just another Jewish fable.

JM

"Wahrheit ist unser Erbe"

"The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued with
Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations - a greater
Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions shall disappear."
(Jewish World, February 9, 1883)

The Encyclopedia Judaica as well as the Jewish Encyclopedias
state, "Edom is in modern Jewry."

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Subject: [13texan] Jewish Control
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:10:18 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Gorman wrote:

Perhaps that explains the human skin artifacts found at Buchenwald, which
can be seen at the United States National Archives.
~~~~~~~
Michael Snead:

     Isn't Buchenwald located in the old Soviet Union region? Isn't it
strange that all of the so called "Death Camps"  were located in the Jewish
controlled Soviet Union? have you ever wondered why? The Jews that
controlled the killing machine of scores of millions (at least 66 million)
of Christians in the Soviet Union had to fabricate some kind of atrocity to
sway the people of the world to look another direction.
~~~~~~~
Me: Michael, thankyou for bringing this fact up. I was on my way to raising
it myself.
~~~~~~~
Michael:
     Hitler was sending his army to Moscow to round up these criminals
himself since the United States and Britain were going to have an alliance
with the paranoid butcher Stalin and his Brother-in-law Lazar M. Kaganovich
(a Jew), who was known as the "Wolf of the Kremlin".
~~~~~~~
Me: True, to crush Khazarian Judeo-Bolshevism.
~~~~~~~
Michael:
     Another thing that I have to question is: The United States National
Archives has skin artifacts (sic) to display like a Ripley's Believe it or
Not Museum is as big a joke as the 6 million (to be lowered again to 4.5
million).
~~~~~~~
Me: Governments in places already lowered the numbers quietly to 1.1
million, and that number has also been lowered again since in other places.
~~~~~~~
Michael:
Even the ovens (sic) that cremated or burned the Jews would had to of been a
waste of coal or gas in a very important time. There are NO aerial
photographs at anytime that show smoke coming from any of the "Death Camps".
~~~~~~~
Me: And this is where they then come in with the false accusation that FDR
and the Vatican and all of the rest allowed Jews to be killed in these
places although there's no evidence again. In other words, the HolyHoax is a
religion one has to believe in. No evidence, just conjecture and lies.
Nothing like self-aggrandizement to cover one's own crimes as you mentioned
in the beginning of this post.
~~~~~~~
Michael:
If these were death camps, why did some survive them for six years?  Was it
Simon Wiesenthal who cut his wrists to end his life and woke up in the
infirmary being nursed back to health by those mean ole Nazis?
Michael Snead
14-88
~~~~~~~
Me: Good point again, Michael. There are so many "survivors" wanting the
gold and the other wealth of nations, one wonders where the Holocaust is
except the true one they wish to hide which occurred under Jewish rule in
the old Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. If so many Jews survived, they
couldn't have been death camps. They were work camps which including
swimming pools, sports facilities, post office delivery, etc.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poland: Mass Graves?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:19:26 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/29/99 5:48:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< The archeological team was led by Polish scientists.
  >>
    The archeological team was led by Polish scientists who were being paid
by a Jewish entity.  I am a superintendent for a general contractor that does
commercial lease buildouts for corporations.  The corporation has a contact
person who informs me of any changes that are to be made and I relay the
message to the subcontractor.
     Sometimes I have to deal with people who think they know more about my
job than I do and insist on changes being made that are against codes or were
omitted from the original drawings.  When I bring it to their attention their
reply is, "Maybe the inspector or fire marshall will not catch it."  Of
course I do what the "boss" wants.
    I wonder if these Polish scientists are Jews?  If so, I question their
objectivity and, therefore, their findings because of who is paying the bills.
Michael Snead
14-88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: GOOD LUCK
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:24:51 -0400
From: William Seitzinger 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Try Friends of the Swastika:- http://www.ambient.on.ca/swastika/
Email:- manwoman@cyberlink.bc.ca

Brother Bill

Charles wrote:

> Someone may not know, but a US President once ran
> using this symbol can anyone tell me his name?
> I believe it was Taft?
> Charles
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Subject: [13texan] Willie: Kick these Bastards Off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:25:35 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!

Philip Mathews
~~~~~~~
Me: Willie, will you kindly unsubscribe this stupid bastard from off of this
list? This psycho sounds like Jack the Ripper. Look at the threats they're
making to Ed Kadach. For now, this pig slime hides behind the laws his ilk
helped put into place in Canada, but I'm sure there will be more Eric's out
there taking care of things their own way. The resistance is growing and
underground, and it's only a matter of time before the evil empire goes
down.

Ed said:
 > Yes, by all means send your check of $10.00 directly to Ken and not
 > to Nizkor. We know what Ken does with the Nizkor funds. And by the
 > way, forward this tidbit to Mr. McVay who apparently, as you yourself
know has commenced to share some of my comments with REDmontons finest.
~~~~~~~
McVay
You don't know any of these things. They are just your usual lies,
substituted for facts, of which you have none. All you have is a
mindless animus toward Jews, which you demonstate beautifully.
~~~~~~~
Ed:
 > >In article <3782AC9B.528E@connect.ab.ca> you write:
 > >>Just mail it directly to McVay so he doesn't have to embezzle
 > >>it from Nazikor.
~~~~~~~
McVay:
 > >I am going to do you a favour, Mr. Kadach, and plitiely suggest that you
be careful with your accusations.

 > >If you doubt the import of Canada's criminal defamation code, I
 > >suggest you discuss it with Detective Kunce, Edmonton Police Service.
 > >You can reach him at 403-421-3559.
~~~~~~~
Me: Ya, and who passed those laws in Canada? Ed, you save this post, and
show them the threat below about your wife "getting ripped." And Willie,
would you please kick these bastards off this list? They need to be censored
the way they do us. I notice most of them are stupid illiterates who can't
even spell anyway.
~~~~~~~
McVay:
 > >If you continue making irresponsible accusations of criminal behavior
 > >on my part, I will file a formal criminal complaint with the Edmonton
 > >Police, as I have done in another case.
 > >
 > >The Special Prosecutions Branch of Justice Alberta is now reviewing a
 > >previous complaint, after receiving the Court Brief from Detective
 > >Kunce. Although this is a long and tedious process, I assure you my
 > >complaint will get due attention.
 > >
 > >Consider this a polite, private, word to the wise. You won't get
 > >another.
 > >
 > >Ken McVayYou should take his advice, or your wife will really get
ripped!

Philip Mathews

 > >
 > >--
 > >                   Church of the Creator: Creed of Hate
 > >            http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/cotc/
 > >
 > >    The Nizkor Project: An electronic Holocaust education resource

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon-B:Jewish Development
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:29 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Gorman,
    Your lack of reasoning is overwhelming...the allied forces were bombing
all of the German refineries and fuel was being rationed! Believe me, a
bullet was and is today a lot cheaper than the method you speak of.
Michael Snead
14-88

 x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x

In a message dated 8/26/99 5:51:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< The Aktion Reinhard deathcamps, Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka,
 accounted for perhaps another two million, all gassed with engine
 exhaust (petrol at Belzec and Sobibor, diesel at Treblinka), and, of
 course, we have the Chelmno victims, also murdered with carbon
 monoxide, both in homocidal gas chambers and in mobile killing vans.
  >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon-B:Jewish Development
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:32:07 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/26/99 5:51:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< homocidal  >>
Was this a pun or you have no spell check?  homicidal is the correct way to
spell it.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon-B:Jewish Development
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:36:23 EDT
From: CAOSB1@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

    I think you are all a little off and definitely exaggerating like crazy
on both sides of this argument and I am not seeing much in the way of fact on
either side of the fence. Sooo I guess you could say for all of you I am now
history BYE!
CAOSB

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Willie: Kick these Bastards Off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:51:06 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=451
> You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
>
> Philip Mathews
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Willie, will you kindly unsubscribe this stupid bastard from off
of this
> list? This psycho sounds like Jack the Ripper. Look at the threats
they're
> making to Ed Kadach. For now, this pig slime hides behind the laws
his ilk
> helped put into place in Canada, but I'm sure there will be more
Eric's out
> there taking care of things their own way. The resistance is growing
and
> underground, and it's only a matter of time before the evil empire
goes
> down.

I've made no threats to Ed. He understands the reference.

>
> Ed said:
>  > Yes, by all means send your check of $10.00 directly to Ken and not
>  > to Nizkor. We know what Ken does with the Nizkor funds. And by the
>  > way, forward this tidbit to Mr. McVay who apparently, as you
yourself
> know has commenced to share some of my comments with REDmontons
finest.
> ~~~~~~~

> You don't know any of these things. They are just your usual lies,
> substituted for facts, of which you have none. All you have is a
> mindless animus toward Jews, which you demonstate beautifully.
> ~~~~~~~
> Ed:
>  > >In article <3782AC9B.528E@connect.ab.ca> you write:
>  > >>Just mail it directly to McVay so he doesn't have to embezzle
>  > >>it from Nazikor.
> ~~~~~~~
> McVay:
>  > >I am going to do you a favour, Mr. Kadach, and plitiely suggest
that you
> be careful with your accusations.
>
>  > >If you doubt the import of Canada's criminal defamation code, I
>  > >suggest you discuss it with Detective Kunce, Edmonton Police
Service.
>  > >You can reach him at 403-421-3559.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Ya, and who passed those laws in Canada? Ed, you save this post,
and
> show them the threat below about your wife "getting ripped." And
Willie,
> would you please kick these bastards off this list? They need to be
censored
> the way they do us. I notice most of them are stupid illiterates who
can't
> even spell anyway.

I made no threat. And the laws referred to are slander and libel, laws
which all civilized nations have in one form or another. This has
nothing to do with misguided hate laws. I suspect Ms. Zimmerman's
actual problem rests in having her erroneous opinions exposed. So much
for her supposed belief in free speech!

> ~~~~~~~
> McVay:
>  > >If you continue making irresponsible accusations of criminal
behavior
>  > >on my part, I will file a formal criminal complaint with the
Edmonton
>  > >Police, as I have done in another case.
>  > >
>  > >The Special Prosecutions Branch of Justice Alberta is now
reviewing a
>  > >previous complaint, after receiving the Court Brief from Detective
>  > >Kunce. Although this is a long and tedious process, I assure you
my
>  > >complaint will get due attention.
>  > >
>  > >Consider this a polite, private, word to the wise. You won't get
>  > >another.
>  > >
>  > >Ken McVayYou should take his advice, or your wife will really get
> ripped!
>

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] JM: Mathews
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:03:27 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Philip Mathews said:
 > You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
 >
 > Philip Mathews
 > ~~~~~~~
I said:
Willie, will you kindly unsubscribe this stupid bastard from off
of this list? This psycho sounds like Jack the Ripper. Look at the threats
they're making to Ed Kadach. For now, this pig slime hides behind the laws
his ilk helped put into place in Canada, but I'm sure there will be more
Eric's out there taking care of things their own way. The resistance is
growing and underground, and it's only a matter of time before the evil
empire goes down.
~~~~~~~
Mathews said:
I've made no threats to Ed. He understands the reference.

also:

I made no threat. And the laws referred to are slander and libel, laws
which all civilized nations have in one form or another. This has
nothing to do with misguided hate laws. I suspect Ms. Zimmerman's
actual problem rests in having her erroneous opinions exposed. So much
for her supposed belief in free speech!
~~~~~~~
Me: You did too make a threat. Everyone saw it, and by now, the resistance
has it.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Control
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:03:59 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=448
> Gorman wrote:
>
> Perhaps that explains the human skin artifacts found at Buchenwald,
which
> can be seen at the United States National Archives.
> ~~~~~~~
> Michael Snead:
>
>      Isn't Buchenwald located in the old Soviet Union region? Isn't
it
> strange that all of the so called "Death Camps"  were located in the
Jewish
> controlled Soviet Union? have you ever wondered why? The Jews that
> controlled the killing machine of scores of millions (at least 66
million)
> of Christians in the Soviet Union had to fabricate some kind of
atrocity to
> sway the people of the world to look another direction.

The death camps were under German control, not in Soviet controlled
Europe. Jews do not control any killing machine and your figure of 66
million is unsupportable, as is your contention they were all
Christian. Your charge of fabricated atrocity is noticeably without
evidence.

> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Michael, thankyou for bringing this fact up. I was on my way to
raising
> it myself.
> ~~~~~~~
> Michael:
>      Hitler was sending his army to Moscow to round up these
criminals
> himself since the United States and Britain were going to have an
alliance
> with the paranoid butcher Stalin and his Brother-in-law Lazar M.
Kaganovich
> (a Jew), who was known as the "Wolf of the Kremlin".

Hitler wanted land, and he wanted to kill Jews, both of which were in
abundance in the Soviet Union.

> ~~~~~~~
> Me: True, to crush Khazarian Judeo-Bolshevism.
> ~~~~~~~
> Michael:
>      Another thing that I have to question is: The United States
National
> Archives has skin artifacts (sic) to display like a Ripley's Believe
it or
> Not Museum is as big a joke as the 6 million (to be lowered again to
4.5
> million).

The evidence for human skin artifacts is substantial, including
forensic testing done in the U.S. in about 1948. There is no
anticipated reduction of the number of Jews killed from 6 million to
4.5 million.

> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Governments in places already lowered the numbers quietly to 1.1
> million, and that number has also been lowered again since in other
places.

You're confusing the totals for Auschwitz, one of many camps, with the
total overall. Historians have known the total was  in that vicinity
for decades, with the earlies history reflecting it published in the
early 1950's.

> ~~~~~~~
> Michael:
> Even the ovens (sic) that cremated or burned the Jews would had to of
been a
> waste of coal or gas in a very important time. There are NO aerial
> photographs at anytime that show smoke coming from any of the "Death
Camps".

The fuel was coke, a by product of the I.G. Farben plant at Auschwitz.
The evidence for cremation and smoke is massive, including the
admission of the Nazis at the camp.

> ~~~~~~~
> Me: And this is where they then come in with the false accusation
that FDR
> and the Vatican and all of the rest allowed Jews to be killed in
these
> places although there's no evidence again. In other words, the
HolyHoax is a
> religion one has to believe in. No evidence, just conjecture and
lies.
> Nothing like self-aggrandizement to cover one's own crimes as you
mentioned
> in the beginning of this post.

There is massive evidence, which is why it is an accepted historical
fact. The issue of whether the Vatican or FDR is another topic.

> ~~~~~~~
> Michael:
> If these were death camps, why did some survive them for six years?

Luck.

 Was it
> Simon Wiesenthal who cut his wrists to end his life and woke up in
the
> infirmary being nursed back to health by those mean ole Nazis?
> Michael Snead

Gee, I don't suppose you'd have a reference for that claim?

> 14-88
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Good point again, Michael. There are so many "survivors" wanting
the
> gold and the other wealth of nations, one wonders where the Holocaust
is
> except the true one they wish to hide which occurred under Jewish
rule in
> the old Soviet Union and Eastern Europe

What survivors want, and have a right to expect, is the wealth stolen
from them by the Nazis.

. If so many Jews survived, they
> couldn't have been death camps.

Nonsense. There is no logic in that statement.

 They were work camps which including
> swimming pools, sports facilities, post office delivery, etc.

False. The deaths, accept Auschwitz, had no work component, and the
facilities you mention existed for the SS who ran the camps.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:06:20 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=456
> Philip Mathews said:
>  > You should take his advice, or your wife will really get ripped!
>  >
>  > Philip Mathews
>  > ~~~~~~~
> I said:
> Willie, will you kindly unsubscribe this stupid bastard from off
> of this list? This psycho sounds like Jack the Ripper. Look at the
threats
> they're making to Ed Kadach. For now, this pig slime hides behind the
laws
> his ilk helped put into place in Canada, but I'm sure there will be
more
> Eric's out there taking care of things their own way. The resistance
is
> growing and underground, and it's only a matter of time before the
evil
> empire goes down.
> ~~~~~~~
> Mathews said:
> I've made no threats to Ed. He understands the reference.
>
> also:
>
> I made no threat. And the laws referred to are slander and libel, laws
> which all civilized nations have in one form or another. This has
> nothing to do with misguided hate laws. I suspect Ms. Zimmerman's
> actual problem rests in having her erroneous opinions exposed. So much
> for her supposed belief in free speech!
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: You did too make a threat. Everyone saw it, and by now, the
resistance
> has it.

Nonsense. I don't know where you come from, but someone getting ripped
means getting angry, and Ed knows what the reference means. Your
conspiracy theories are delusional.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon-B:Jewish Development
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:09:31 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=452
> Gorman,
>     Your lack of reasoning is overwhelming...the allied forces were
bombing
> all of the German refineries and fuel was being rationed! Believe me,
a
> bullet was and is today a lot cheaper than the method you speak of.
> Michael Snead

Hardly. The fuel shortage, only a problem at the end of the war, has no
bearing on the relative cost of bullets versus Zyklon B. The cremation
was the Nazis choice as a means of hiding the dastardly deed and making
it difficult to compute the number of dead. Even if they had shot 6
million, you've got to do something with the bodies.

Philip Mathews

> 14-88
>
>  x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x~~~x
>
> In a message dated 8/26/99 5:51:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gormanh@home.com
> writes:
>
> << The Aktion Reinhard deathcamps, Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka,
>  accounted for perhaps another two million, all gassed with engine
>  exhaust (petrol at Belzec and Sobibor, diesel at Treblinka), and, of
>  course, we have the Chelmno victims, also murdered with carbon
>  monoxide, both in homocidal gas chambers and in mobile killing vans.
>   >>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Proven History
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:18:49 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=434
> Philip Mattews had said:
> You might as well ask him to prove the American Civil War occurred.
> The Holocaust is a proven historical event, and the burden is on you
if you
> wish to claim it didn't occur, just as it would be your burden if you
> decided the Civil War never happened.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: The American Civil War did not happen. It was the War Between the
> States. As for the Holocaust being a "proven" historical event--no,
> it's a religion. One has to believe in it or can be prosecuted in many
> countries around the world. The burden of proof is still on you.
> It's like saying the earth is flat.
> ~~~~~~~
> Mathews:
> The American Civil War and the War Between the States are the same.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Excuse me, Sir, but I know history far better than you. It was
not a
> Civil War because it was not between civilians but between two
sovereign
> governments.

Civil War does not mean between civilians!
> ~~~~~~~
> Mathews:
> Perhaps you really didn't know that. The Holocaust is proven history,
> accepted by the entire historical community and all thinking people.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: Mathews, go take your hog wash somewhere else. The only
Holocausts I
> know about are the ones perpetrated by the "international community,"
> meaning Jewish, upon innocents this century.

And if we held you to the hight standards of historical proof, the same
that have proven the Holocaust, your "international community" fantasy
would reap the ridicule it deserves.

> ~~~~~~~
> I had said:
> Me: Go read David Irvings' "Nuremberg: The Last Battle."
> ~~~~~~~
> Mathews:
> I note that you can cite no evidence.
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: You've cited nothing either, except conjecture accepted as
history.
> David Irving has cited all of his primary sources; I don't have to
repeat
> anything. Go read the book, or just shut up for once.

I've cited none for the Second World War, because it is a known
historical fact. All historians cite their primary sources, or didn't
you know that?

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] "'Civil' Wars"
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:37 PDT
From: "Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman" 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Mathews:

Civil War does not mean between civilians!
~~~~~~~
Me: For clarification to the list, I'm speaking to this pig slime for just
one moment. A Civil War does not occur between two different nations. That
is why it was The War between the States--The United States and the
Confederate States. It was between two nations, their governments, and their
people. A civil war is between people and their governments, so naturally
civilians are involved, and sometimes they fight each other.
JM

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Subject: [13texan] HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:10:44 EDT
From: Jann186@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Willie...think it about time to leave this group...they are getting on my
nerves, please unsubscribe me from this list ONLY.......PLEASE continue to
send the materials that you have been sending me for the last couple of
years.........I appreciate your efforts but this group is "nuts" and can't
take their nonsense any longer.  Thank you

jann

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Control
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:20:11 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/29/99 1:05:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<< The death camps were under German control, not in Soviet controlled
 Europe. Jews do not control any killing machine and your figure of 66
 million is unsupportable, as is your contention they were all Christian.
Your charge of fabricated atrocity is noticeably without evidence. >>


    The key word is "were"  meaning past tense and speaking of after WWII and
the partition of Europe by the United States, Britain, and the Jewish
Controlled Soviet Union. Have you not heard of the Bolsheviks? Have you heard
of Lenin, Trotsky, Kaganovich,  Molotov, Solts, Rapport, Berman, Yagoda, and
Frenkel? All were Jews.
    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a Nobel Prizewinner wrote in his opus, The Gulag
Archipelago, using I. A. Kurganov a Soviet statistician who had access to the
secret government files estimated that between the years of 1919 and 1959 at
least 66 million died at the hands of the Communist rulers of Russia.
    Solzhenitsyn  then affirms in, Gulag Archipelago II that the Jews created
and administered the organized Soviet Concentration camp system in which tens
of millions died. You know who the leading administrators of the greatest
killing machine in the history of the world were? Solts, Rapport, Berman,
Yagoda, Fenkel and Kaganovich (Twenty million himself. The Wolf of the
Kremlin written by his nephew Stuart Kahan 1988. page 297). Those six Jews
are even pictured on  page 79 of the Gulag Archipelago II.
    Excuse me for saying that they were all Christians...but they were
Russian. and your lame undocumented  claims are not acceptable and just
because you are a Jew, you think that I am to believe you? LOL.
Michael Snead
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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:24:36 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/29/99 1:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
philnancy@aol.com writes:

<<  Your
 conspiracy theories are delusional.

 Philip Mathews
  >>

Go look in a mirror and you will see what is delusional.
Michael Snead
14-88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Doubting Thomases
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:02:17 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     Isn't Buchenwald located in the old Soviet Union region? Isn't it strange

No, Buchenwald is in Germany. It was not a "death camp" per se, in that its
primary purpose was not mass murder.

> that all of the so called "Death Camps"  were located in the Jewish
> controlled Soviet Union? have you ever wondered why? The Jews that controlled

The deathcamps were located in German-controlled territory. The reasons for this
are obvious when you consider the political situation.

> the killing machine of scores of millions (at least 66 million) of Christians
> in the Soviet Union had to fabricate some kind of atrocity to sway the people
> of the world to look another direction.

What evidence do you offer that the Holocaust was "fabricated?" It is easy to
say, but not easy to prove.

The world has always known of Stalin's crimes - they are no mystery.

>     Another thing that I have to question is: The United States National
> Archives has skin artifacts (sic) to display like a Ripley's Believe it or
> Not Museum is as big a joke as the 6 million (to be lowered again to 4.5
> million).

Yes, the artifacts are there. No, they are not on display. Yes, you can view them
if you ask, along with the forensic testimony as to their human origin.

The figure of 6 million will be increased, not lowered, if evidence currently
coming to light since the fall of the Soviet Union is any indication - at least
that's what a lot of historians are telling us. There is no indication, anywhere
but in your imagination, that the estimates are going to be lowered.

>     Even the ovens (sic) that cremated or burned the Jews would had to of
> been a waste of coal or gas in a very important time. There are NO aerial

I agree - the Nazis were stupid. They wasted resources murdering Jews.

> photographs at anytime that show smoke coming from any of the "Death Camps".

"Thanks to Dr. Nevin Bryant, supervisor of cartographic applications and
image processing applications at Caltech/NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
in Pasadena, California, I was able to get the CIA photographs properly
analyzed by people who know what they are looking at from the air. Nevin
and I analyzed the photographs using digital enhancements techniques not
available to the CIA in 1979. We were able to prove that the photographs
had not been tampered with, and we indeed found evidence of extermination
activity. The aerial photographs were shot in sequence as the plane flew
over the camp (on a bombing run toward its ultimate target - the IG Farben
Industrial works). Since the photographs of the camp were taken a few
seconds apart, stereoscopic viewing of two consecutive photographs show
movement of people and vehicles and provides better depth perception. The
aerial photograph in figure 23 [1] shows the distinctive features of Krema
II. Note the long shadow from the crematorium chimney and, on the roof of
the adjacent gas chamber at right angles to the crematorium building, note
the four staggered shadows. Ball claims these shadows were drawn in, but
four small structures that match the shadows are visible on the roof of
the gas chamber in figure 24 [2] taken by an SS photographer of the back
of Krema II (if you look directly below the chimney of krema II, you will
see two sides of the rectangular underground gas chamber structure
protruding a few feet above the ground.)

"The photgraphic evidence converges quite nicely with eyewitness accounts
describing SS men pouring Zyklon-B pellets through the opening in the roof
of the gas chamber. the aerial photograph in figure 25 [3] shows a group
of prisoners being marched to Krema V for gassing. The gas chamber is at
the end of the building, and the crematorium has double chimneys. From the
camp's daily logs, it is clear that these are Hungarian Jews from an RSHA
transport, some of whom where selected for work and the rest sent for
extermination. (Additional photographs and detailed discussion appear in
Shermer and Grobman 1977.)" (Shermer, Michael. Why People Believe Weird
Things: Pseudoscience, superstition, and other confusions of our time,
pp. 233-234, 235)

Regarding the aerial photographs, you need to know several things about them.
First, how many photographs were taken, and by whom? Second, and this is very
important, when were these photographs taken? Finally, you need to know which
parts of the Auschwitz complex were photographed.

So if you have a specific photograph in mind, which you feel proves that there
were no cremations at Birkenau, by all means let's disuss it.

> If these were death camps, why did some survive them for six years?  Was it

Because the Nazis failed to meet their objective, in spite of their best efforts?

> Simon Wiesenthal who cut his wrists to end his life and woke up in the
> infirmary being nursed back to health by those mean ole Nazis?

The war is full of stories like that... the good, the bad, the ugly. How do you
feel it "proves" that the Holocaust did not happen?

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poland: Mass Graves?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:05:56 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

> There will be no autopsy report where the truth will be told because they
> will definitely see that there was an epidemic of Typhus that killed these
> people.

Whether the victims died of disease, were shot, beaten to death, or gassed (in
this case with carbon monoxide), the reality is that they were murdered. They
were placed in confined places where disease was deliberately encouraged,
because the Nazis knew that many would die that way, and that suited their
purpose.

The Nazis, of course, did not die of typhus at the camps, nor did they starve
to death as their victims did.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Belzec investigation - mass graves found
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:12:06 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

>     First of all it can't be denied because the Aryan people have no reason
> to fabricate any atrocities. The Jewish historians have suppressed these
> truths and  with them owning 90% of the book publication that was easy to do.
> And Gorman, go outside your Jewish circle and take a poll and ask just one
> question: Have you heard of Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich? You will get a zero
> response.

I see no evidence of any such fabrication, nor have you offered any.
I see no evidence that Jews own "90% of the book publication," either, nor have
you offered any. I do not know any Jews - there are none in my community.

>     Your friends have done well to surpress the murdering Jew who was
> responcible for the death of  20 million white Christians and have glorified
> Holahoax survivors, extorted money from every nation in the world and made
> Hitler's six million (sic) dead Jews seem like a terrible thing.

I do not know what "friends" you refer to, but the Stalinist murders are very
well documented, no matter how eagerly you wish people to believe the contrary.

I see no evidence of any "hoax," nor have you presented any. If you have some to
offer, by all means, do.

>     What you need to do is quit guessing because when all is said and done,
> God's children will prevail and we all know who wins in the end. To bad you
> read the Talmud, it doesn't tell you the TRUTH. You have a chance to turn

I've never read the Talmud.

> from your wicked race, I mean ways and make a real change. By the way why

My "wicked race" is Homo Sapiens. Which one do you belong to?

> don't you try to find me a good used Talmud for about $10.00.

Why buy a used one, when you can get a new one at any bookstore... Amazon
Ausctions has a used one for sale right now - the current bid is $15, but it goes
in 2 days. If you hurry, you can probably get it for $10.

You're welcome.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: More Conjecture
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:13:17 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Jeanne-Marie Zimmerman wrote:

> Me: For the predominant Jewish role in what happened in the Soviet Union
> during this time, Nizkor will never condemn them. Simon Weasenthal will
> never condemn them. Elie the Weasel will never condemn them. Morris the
> Sleaze will never condemn them. But they will all whine about the growth of
> "anti-'Semitism.'"

That's funny, because I've found articles on nizkor that *do* condemn them. I
guess you haven't looked very hard.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Zyklon-B:Jewish Development
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:15:47 -0700
From: Herb Gorman 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

SNEADSTER@aol.com wrote:

> Gorman,
>     Your lack of reasoning is overwhelming...the allied forces were bombing
> all of the German refineries and fuel was being rationed! Believe me, a
> bullet was and is today a lot cheaper than the method you speak of.

Actually, bullets were not "a lot cheaper," because bullets were not the only
consideration. There were many others, as you would know if you had looked into
the matter at all.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Jewish Control
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:23:03 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=463
> In a message dated 8/29/99 1:05:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> << The death camps were under German control, not in Soviet controlled
>  Europe. Jews do not control any killing machine and your figure of 66
>  million is unsupportable, as is your contention they were all
Christian.
> Your charge of fabricated atrocity is noticeably without evidence. >>
>
>
>     The key word is "were"  meaning past tense and speaking of after
WWII and
> the partition of Europe by the United States, Britain, and the Jewish
> Controlled Soviet Union. Have you not heard of the Bolsheviks? Have
you heard
> of Lenin, Trotsky, Kaganovich,  Molotov, Solts, Rapport, Berman,
Yagoda, and
> Frenkel? All were Jews.

All of this is irrelevant to the Holocaust, who's documents and
testimonies were largely collected immediately after cessation of
wartime activities. The Soviet Union is not Jewish controlled, a notion
that would be a surprise to Mr. Stalin. Merely reciting a few names of
people you contend were Jews hardly constitutes evidence of your claim.

>     Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a Nobel Prizewinner wrote in his opus,
The Gulag
> Archipelago, using I. A. Kurganov a Soviet statistician who had
access to the
> secret government files estimated that between the years of 1919 and
1959 at
> least 66 million died at the hands of the Communist rulers of Russia.

All of which is irrelevant to the Nazi death camps.

>     Solzhenitsyn  then affirms in, Gulag Archipelago II that the Jews
created
> and administered the organized Soviet Concentration camp system in
which tens
> of millions died.

Hogwash. Have you read Solzhenitsyn?  Do you own the books in question?

 You know who the leading administrators of the greatest
> killing machine in the history of the world were? Solts, Rapport,
Berman,
> Yagoda, Fenkel and Kaganovich (Twenty million himself. The Wolf of
the
> Kremlin written by his nephew Stuart Kahan 1988. page 297). Those six
Jews
> are even pictured on  page 79 of the Gulag Archipelago II.

That's Rappoport and Frenkel. But again, this is irrelevant to the Nazi
death camps.

>     Excuse me for saying that they were all Christians...but they
were
> Russian. and your lame undocumented  claims are not acceptable and
just
> because you are a Jew, you think that I am to believe you? LOL.

The history of the Holocaust is hardly undocumented, and it matters not
at all whether you believe it. It remains historical fact, untouched by
a small groups desire to disbelieve, a desire driven by a mindless
animus of a certain ethnic/religious group. You are ignorant of my own
ethnic/religious background, but your willingness to make a claim in
that regard is revealing.

Philip Mathews

> 14-88
>

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Subject: [13texan] Re: JM: Mathews
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:26:07 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=464
> In a message dated 8/29/99 1:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> philnancy@aol.com writes:
>
> <<  Your
>  conspiracy theories are delusional.
>
>  Philip Mathews
>   >>
>
> Go look in a mirror and you will see what is delusional.

I looked, I didn't see you!

Philip Mathews

> Michael Snead
> 14-88

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "'Civil' Wars"
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:31:24 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=461
> Mathews:
>
> Civil War does not mean between civilians!
> ~~~~~~~
> Me: For clarification to the list, I'm speaking to this pig slime for
just
> one moment. A Civil War does not occur between two different nations.
That
> is why it was The War between the States--The United States and the
> Confederate States.

Nonsense. It was a war between two geographic areas of one country. The
fact that one was attempted to break the union was one of the reasons
for the war, but that didn't mean it was a war between separate states.

 It was between two nations, their governments, and their
> people. A civil war is between people and their governments, so
naturally
> civilians are involved, and sometimes they fight each other.

The involvement of civilians is irrelevant to whether a war is a civil
war within a state. All soldiers are civilians, you're attempting
distinctions without significance. Interesting you choose to discuss
this side issue rather than your "views" of the Holocaust.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Treblinka Excavations
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:45:32 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

The recent excavations of mass graves at the Belzec extermination camp
is hardly the first such discovery of human remains of those murdered
by the Nazis during the Holocaust. Some time ago excavations occurred
at Treblinka, whose findings are even admitted by Holocaust
"Revisionists" Andrew Allen and Mark Weber.

In an article on Treblinka (Wartime Aerial Photos of Treblinka Cast
Doubt On "Death Camp" Claims) deniers
Allen and Weber admit the existence of a single excavation which found
bodies and ash to a depth of over 20 feet.

"Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, a member of an official Polish
commission that inspected the camp site in November 1945 -- that is, a
few months after the end of the war -- reported finding large human
bones, "rotted masses of corpses," "pieces of half-rotted corpses," and
"fully dressed" corpses, at the Treblinka camp site. (note 62)

In the area where the gas chambers were supposed to have been located,
the commission's team of 30 excavation workers reportedly found "human
remains, partially in the process of decay," and an unspecified amount
of ash. Untouched
sandy soil was reached at 7.5 meters, at which point the digging was
halted. An accompanying photograph of an excavated pit reveals some
large bones. (note 63)

Poland's "Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes"
reported that "large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among which
are numerous human bones, often with the remains of decomposing
tissues," were found in the five
acre (two hectare) burial area during an examination of the site
shortly after the end of the war." (note 64)

62.R. Auerbach, "In the Fields of Treblinka," in: A. Donat, ed., Death
Camp Treblinka, pp. 19, 69, 71, 72.
63.Facsimile of report, Nov. 13, 1945, in: Biuletyn Glownej Komisji...
(Warsaw), Vol. 26, 1975, pp. 183-185.
(Translation provided to the author).; Note also photo of skulls and
large bones on p. 151. This is similar to the
photo
in: A. Donat, ed., Death Camp Treblinka, p. 266.
64.Central Commission ..., German Crimes in Poland, Vol. 1, pp. 96-97.

Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:14:15 EDT
From: Rose4Colby@aol.com
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Willie-
Ditto Jann186@aol.com's message for me too!
Bob

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norse_Knight@webtv.net (Norse Knight)
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CC: Jann186@aol.com

Jann,

 Don't give up...this happens on most lists. They go away if ignored.

God Bless,

Robert Paul

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:01:50 -0400
From: Charles 
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Norse Knight wrote:
>
> Jann,
>
>  Don't give up...this happens on most lists. They go away if ignored.
>
> God Bless,
>
> Robert Paul
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Yeah if youi don't like reading somethings , just delete them hehehe!
it works for me :) Please stay !

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Subject: [13texan] Fwd: [AdAstra] BIOLOGICAL DEGRADATION
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norse_Knight@webtv.net (Norse Knight)
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>From another list...

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Subject: [AdAstra] BIOLOGICAL DEGRADATION
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 99 22:10:53 GMT
From: "Jabriol" 
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To: 

From: "Jabriol" 

From: "Duane." 

As the influence of natural selection diminished, a sinister counter
influence asserted itself In man, as in every other form of life, harmful
mutations occur far more frequently than beneficial ones. Indeed, more than
99 percent of all mutations are harmful.

The injurious character of most mutants is not an attestation of inherent
perverseness in nature. A change in a gene is expected to be injurious for
the same reason for which random rearrangements of wires in a radio set
would spoil it more often than improve it.

Natural selection, when not interfered with, tends to weed out the many
harmful mistakes in the innate character of organisms. If they are not
weeded out, they can multiply in succeeding generations. When this occurs,
the result is a cumulative increase of inferior traits.

Natural selection of this primeval variety is today completely incompatible
with happiness, sympathy, or civilization itself. The only adequate
alternative to it, however is some kind of thoroughgoing eugenics. . . .
Failing this, a biological deterioration of the human race seems to be
inevitable, and this might even endanger the dominance of man as a species .

As the influence of natural selection waned, the influence of harmful
mutations-including those in the direction of reduced brain capability-grew
at an accelerating rate. After the establishment of cities and the
protection from the hazards of nature which they provided, the number of the
less capable and the incapable, thanks to their relatively uninhibited rate
of reproduction, began to multiply prodigiously. Also, the ever larger
population pools, rural or urban, were further augmented by the retrograde
mutations and unfortunate genetic combinations which occasionally occur in
the offspring of the more intelligent. As a result, we have today reached a
condition in which those of mediocre or less than mediocre mentality
outnumber all others to a far greater extent than ever before.

Obviously this dilution of intelligence cannot go on, generation after
generation, without seriously affecting the nature of man. It is like the
encroachment of weeds upon a once well-tended garden. Since it doesn't
happen overnight, it is easily overlooked. Yet the effect is there, and it
is being compounded. It could not be otherwise. Man does not happen to be an
exception to biological laws. Quantitatively, he is an enormous success.
Qualitatively, he is retrogressing. Much the same result can be expected
when any type of organism, freed from the process of natural selection,
continues to breed indiscriminately.

All improvers of plants and animals contend with this fundamental problem of
degradation. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all systems tend
to run down. Life itself tends to follow the inexorable dictates of entropy,
and the process of degradation is accelerated by the presence of harmful
mutations.

Natural selection, which has been described as "a process for generating
improbability," has been the great counterforce to the Second Law. It drives
organic matter toward more complex, higher-energy life forms. Natural
selection chooses for survival the advantageous mutations-the beneficial
rare exceptions to the rule which reverse the degradation process. When the
winnowing of the weak is not sufficiently rigorous, however, the Second Law
operates with few or no constraints.

It is against this background that we must consider the consequences of
man's present violation of the basic laws of biological development.

Birth Control
Before human beings realized that pregnancy followed sexual union, almost
everyone indulged in sex as often as circumstances permitted. This is still
true of some aborigines, who even today do not comprehend the correlation.
But with the domestication of grazing animals many thousands of years ago,
men and women were able to observe the sexual activities of their herds.
This experience allowed the intellectually curious to deduce the causes of
conception, which knowledge led directly to ways of forestalling pregnancy
in humans. The most common techniques were abstention, continence and
celibacy. Later it was realized that these monastic approaches were not
necessary, provided spermatozoa were prevented from meeting ova. Other
means, including abortion, began to be practiced. As information about
contraception spread, those with the intelligence and self-control to make
the most effective use of it were the most successful in reducing the number
of their children. Eventually this practice had a tremendous influence on
human quality. To the abnormal increase of the less intelligent was added an
artificial reduction in the number of the more intelligent.
The tendency of civilized life to sterilize its ablest citizens . . . is the
experience of nearly all countries which enjoy even a passable degree of
prosperity. It is perhaps more marked now than ever before, but it has
certainly occurred at other periods of history. For example, the earlier
Roman emperors were continually in difficulty because of the extinction of
the senatorial families, which were the class whose administrative ability
had been so largely responsible for the creation of the Roman Empire.

Ancient Egyptians were familiar with various methods of birth control.
Abstention from intercourse during the days of ovulation, which has received
much attention in recent years, was taught in ancient Greece. Infibulation
(mechanical prevention of copulation) was well known in ancient Rome, as
were condoms and vaginal douches. In general, contraceptive measures became
more efficient and more widely used in the highly urbanized states. One of
the latest advances in this dubious technology is, of course, the Pill. (It
should be noted here that a good mind offers its possessor a wealth of
outside interests that are almost as engrossing as sex, while those with
more limited minds are more likely to make sex their major concern.
Consequently, the less intelligent have a constitutional advantage over the
more intelligent in regard to having the most offspring.)

The day that man learned the cause and prevention of pregnancy was one of
the darkest in human evolution. It was then that artificial selection by
differential birthrate began to make inroads on natural selection by
differential death rate. Birth control may some day save us from worldwide
starvation. There may even come a time when it can serve to raise rather
than lower human quality. But so far it has been almost wholly pernicious in
its effect upon the biological progress of Homo Sapiens.

The most intelligent individuals, on the average, breed least, and do not
breed enough to keep their numbers constant. Unless new incentives are
discovered to induce them to breed, they will soon not be sufficiently
numerous to supply the intelligence needed for maintaining a highly
technical and elaborate system-meanwhile, we must expect that each
generation will be congenitally stupider than its predecessor. This is a
grave prospect.

The trend toward the practice of birth control was, and is, stronger in some
races and population groups than in others. Exceptionally capable people,
living in a predominantly agricultural society like 17th and 18th century
England and Anglo-America, where children were an economic advantage,
markedly increased the intelligence gradient of the population. For example,
in the colonial era in America each married white woman had an average of
eight children. Today, although throughout most of human history it was
considered unnatural to have small families, it has actually become stylish
to do so. It doesn't take brains to have a child. This is an act that can
easily be accomplished by the lowliest animals. Unfortunately, it does take
a certain amount of intelligence to avoid having children.

Another damaging influence on human intelligence has been exerted by recent
advances in physics and chemistry. Exposure of the reproductive organs to
x-rays, radioactivity and hallucinatory drugs increases the occurrence of
harmful mutations.

The rate at which mutations are damaging mankind is widely debated. At
present it is impossible to give an accurate figure. But as one Nobel
laureate tells us: I am unhappy that the pool of human germ plasm, which
determines the nature of the human race, is deteriorating. The collection of
molecules of deoxyribonucleic acid that will make the next generation of
human beings what it will be is not so good as that which determined our
character; there are more bad molecules in the collection. The defective
genes are now not being eliminated from the pool of human germ plasm so
rapidly as in the past, because we have made medical progress and have
developed feelings of compassion such as to make it possible for us to
permit the individuals who carry the bad genes to have more progeny than in
the past. Moreover, defective genes are being manufactured at a greater rate
than in the past, because there are new mutagenic agents operating in the
world today.

It might be supposed that man, having ascended the evolutionary ladder
through beneficial mutations, would profit from an increased mutation rate.
But it doesn't work out that way. Except for resistance to certain diseases,
natural selection, now largely inoperative, no longer selectively preserves
the advantageous mutations and eliminates the bad.

The sinister and pervasive influences reviewed in this chapter appear in
each new generation to produce an ever greater component of human
mediocrity. Though most of the intelligent classes are presently addicted to
birth control, a small proportion of highly capable individuals, by means of
the vast communications networks at their disposal, can still advance
knowledge and technology. Consequently science can still move forward at a
breathtaking pace despite the overall decline in human mental resources.

Man is wasting a magnificent inheritance. He is able to control the
development of other creatures, yet he has not chosen to control his own.
Man's greatest enemy is now man himself.

We can face this dilemma with the happy-go-lucky attitude of the big spender
who likes to say, "We aren't bankrupt yet." Or we can act with the foresight
and speed of the capable administrator who knows if he doesn't stop
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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:26:36 -0400
From: William Seitzinger 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

The Infiltrators are achieving their purposes. The have once again divided
the Christians with the silly jew disputes they have gotten Christians
involved with. Responding to Holly-Hoax believes with words of wisdom is
like casting your pearls before swine. These people did not join this list
to learn about the Holly-Hoax, they joined to disrupt the list and to
destroy it. and they are unfortunately for the Christians succeeding.
SMARTEN UP SHEEP STOP RESPONDING TO THESE INFILTRATORS.

Brother Bill

Jann186@aol.com wrote:

>
> Willie...think it about time to leave this group...they are getting on my
  nerves, please unsubscribe me from this list ONLY.......PLEASE continue to
  send the materials that you have been sending me for the last couple of
  years.........I appreciate your efforts but this group is "nuts" and can't
  take their nonsense any longer.  Thank you

  jann

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:27:28 -0400
From: William Seitzinger 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

AMEN!!!

Charles wrote:

>
> Norse Knight wrote:
  >
  > Jann,
  >
  >  Don't give up...this happens on most lists. They go away if ignored.
  >
  > God Bless,
  >
  > Robert Paul
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    Yeah if youi don't like reading somethings , just delete them hehehe!
  it works for me :) Please stay !

  Charles

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Subject: [13texan] Dear Rev.
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:34:23 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com, dispatch76@onelist.com


                             - DISPATCH "83" -

   DID THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE IN ONE OF THE ZIONIST CONTROLLED
   TAX EXEMPT, GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED ESTABLISHMENT CHURCH'S YOU ATTEND?

MEMBER:    Reverend, you said in your sermon this morning, that the
           jews were "God's chosen people". Tell me sir, who was the
           first jew?

REVEREND:  Abramwas the first jew.

MEMBER:    Then who was the second jew?

REVEREND:  Isaac was the second jew.

MEMBER:    Well then , who was the third jew?

REVEREND:  Esau was the third jew, who was the twin brother of Jacob,
           who was the forth jew.

MEMBER:    Reverend, if Abram was the first jew, wouldn't Ishmael his
           first born son be the second jew instead of Isaac? Genesis
           16:15

REVEREND:  No, because Ishmael was born of Hagar, an Egyptian woman.
           Gen. 16: 3

MEMBER:    Then Ishmael was a half jew?

REVEREND:  No, Ishmael was the father of twelve princes,Genesis 17:20,
           and we know them today as the Arab nations, not as jews.

MEMBER:    In other words, Ishmael was not a Jew because his mother
           Hagar was not a jew.

REVEREND:  That's right. If Hagar had been a Jew, then Ishmael would
           have been a jew instead of father of the Arab nations.

MEMBER:

  Well reverend, if Ishmael could not have been a jew because his
  mother was not a jew, then how could Isaac have been a jew since
  his mother was Sarai of the Chaldees? Now if she was a jew, then
  her parents must have been jews, Genesis 11:28, and therefor Abram
  could not have been the first jew. In fact reverend, I don't know
  how you can preach that Abram, Isaac or Jacob were jews since the
  King James Bible does not call them jews. In fact reverend, knowhere
  in the Bible will you find that Moses was a jew, or that King Saul,
  David or Solomon were called jews. Try as you may, you can read over
  five hundred pages of the Holy Bible and not find the word jew. The
  first time you will see it is in 2nd Kings 16:6. And by the way,
  nowhere in the Holy Bible will you find the jew's called God's chosen
  people.

  I would suggest that next Sunday morning you tell our congregation
  where you got the authority to change the Holy Bible, or admit the
  seminary taught you wrong, and that as a result of that false training,
  you have been preaching the error, which amounts to a false doctrine.

                                                 In Christ, Amen.
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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:35:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norse_Knight@webtv.net (Norse Knight)
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com
CC: WSEITZINGER@worldnet.att.net

>From: WSEITZINGER@worldnet.att.net (William Seitzinger)

>"SMARTEN UP SHEEP STOP RESPONDING TO THESE INFILTRATORS."

Words from on High, Brother Bill.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: maxwell99@webtv.net (Colleen Jones)
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To: 13texan@egroups.com

Yes Jann stay - the delete key really works.

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Dear Rev.
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:43:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norse_Knight@webtv.net (Norse Knight)
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This "Reverend", no doubt, runs a 501(c) corporation instead pastoring
(sp?) a church. The Devils own...

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Subject: [13texan] Dear Rev.
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:34:23 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com, dispatch76@onelist.com


                             - DISPATCH "83" -

   DID THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE IN ONE OF THE ZIONIST CONTROLLED
   TAX EXEMPT, GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED ESTABLISHMENT CHURCH'S YOU ATTEND?

MEMBER:    Reverend, you said in your sermon this morning, that the
           jews were "God's chosen people". Tell me sir, who was the
           first jew?

REVEREND:  Abramwas the first jew.

MEMBER:    Then who was the second jew?

REVEREND:  Isaac was the second jew.

MEMBER:    Well then , who was the third jew?

REVEREND:  Esau was the third jew, who was the twin brother of Jacob,
           who was the forth jew.

MEMBER:    Reverend, if Abram was the first jew, wouldn't Ishmael his
           first born son be the second jew instead of Isaac? Genesis
           16:15

REVEREND:  No, because Ishmael was born of Hagar, an Egyptian woman.
           Gen. 16: 3

MEMBER:    Then Ishmael was a half jew?

REVEREND:  No, Ishmael was the father of twelve princes,Genesis 17:20,
           and we know them today as the Arab nations, not as jews.

MEMBER:    In other words, Ishmael was not a Jew because his mother
           Hagar was not a jew.

REVEREND:  That's right. If Hagar had been a Jew, then Ishmael would
           have been a jew instead of father of the Arab nations.

MEMBER:

  Well reverend, if Ishmael could not have been a jew because his
  mother was not a jew, then how could Isaac have been a jew since
  his mother was Sarai of the Chaldees? Now if she was a jew, then
  her parents must have been jews, Genesis 11:28, and therefor Abram
  could not have been the first jew. In fact reverend, I don't know
  how you can preach that Abram, Isaac or Jacob were jews since the
  King James Bible does not call them jews. In fact reverend, knowhere
  in the Bible will you find that Moses was a jew, or that King Saul,
  David or Solomon were called jews. Try as you may, you can read over
  five hundred pages of the Holy Bible and not find the word jew. The
  first time you will see it is in 2nd Kings 16:6. And by the way,
  nowhere in the Holy Bible will you find the jew's called God's chosen
  people.

  I would suggest that next Sunday morning you tell our congregation
  where you got the authority to change the Holy Bible, or admit the
  seminary taught you wrong, and that as a result of that false training,
  you have been preaching the error, which amounts to a false doctrine.

                                                 In Christ, Amen.
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Subject: [13texan] KHAZAR JEWS
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:46:53 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

Willie let them debate the Khazar jews trying to pretend
to be Israel... in this Unholy hoax they by their own
word prove they are not  nor have they ever been Israel!

Charles

BTW they have also been popping on and off my list
like frogs on a hot rock !

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Subject: [13texan] Re: KHAZAR JEWS
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:49:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Norse_Knight@webtv.net (Norse Knight)
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

>From: dogpatch@bellsouth.net (Charles)

>"BTW they have also been popping on and off my list like frogs on a hot
rock !"

I've noticed that .

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Subject: [13texan] anyone want to chat live ?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:02:58 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com, dispatch76@onelist.com

I have set up a chat room on my website
it is easy to use and you don't need passwords
or secret codes hehehe! Just any name will work :)
Charles
http://lostsheep.homepage.com/chat.html

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Subject: [13texan] Re: HELP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:13:16 EDT
From: Jann186@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

This just a time of dividing the Sheep from the Goats.....I don't have time
to "play with these Goats.

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Subject: [13texan] The Jews Abraham and Sara
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:22:42 -0400
From: William Seitzinger 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com

http://www.christianbiblestudy.org/CBS/_CBSOPS/jewabram.html

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                 DID THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE IN ONE OF THE ZIONIST
     CONTROLLED TAX EXEMPT, GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED ESTABLISHMENT CHURCH'S
                                 YOU ATTEND?


      MEMBER:    Reverend, you said in your sermon this morning, that
     the jews were "God's chosen people". Tell me sir, who was the
     first jew?

      REVEREND:  Abramwas the first jew.

      MEMBER:    Then who was the second jew?

      REVEREND:  Isaac was the second jew.

      MEMBER:    Well then , who was the third jew?

      REVEREND:  Esau was the third jew, who was the twin brother of
     Jacob, who was the forth jew.

      MEMBER:    Reverend, if Abram was the first jew, wouldn't Ishmael
     his first born son be the second jew instead of Isaac? Genesis
     16:15

      REVEREND:  No, because Ishmael was born of Hagar, an Egyptian
     woman. Gen. 16: 3

      MEMBER:    Then Ishmael was a half jew?

      REVEREND:  No, Ishmael was the father of twelve princes,Genesis
     17:20,  and we know them today as the Arab nations, not as jews.

      MEMBER:    In other words, Ishmael was not a Jew because his
     mother Hagar was not a jew.

      REVEREND:  That's right. If Hagar had been a Jew, then Ishmael
     would have been a jew instead of father of the Arab nations.

      MEMBER: Well reverend, if Ishmael could not have been a jew
     because his mother was not a jew, then how could Isaac have been a
     jew since his mother was Sarai of the Chaldees? Now if she was a
     jew, then her parents must have been jews, Genesis 11:28, and
     therefor Abram could not have been the first jew. In fact
     reverend, I don't know how you can preach that Abram, Isaac or
     Jacob were jews since the King James Bible does not call them
     jews. In fact reverend, knowhere in the Bible will you find that
     Moses was a jew, or that King Saul, David or Solomon were called
     jews. Try as you may, you can read over five hundred pages of the
     Holy Bible and not find the word jew. The first time you will see
     it is in 2nd Kings 16:6. And by the way, nowhere in the Holy Bible
     will you find the jew's called God's chosen people.

     I would suggest that next Sunday morning you tell our congregation
     where you got the authority to change the Holy Bible, or admit the
     seminary taught you wrong, and that as a result of that false
     training, you have been preaching the error, which amounts to a
     false doctrine.

     In Christ, Amen.
     John Standring

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Subject: [13texan] "...the beauty of your chosen people"
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:07:29 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

We recognize today
That many centuries of blindness
Have veiled our eyes,
So that we no longer see the beauty of your chosen people
And no longer recognize the features
Of our firstborn brother.
We know now that the Mark of Cain is on our forehead.
Over the course of centuries our brother Abel
Has lain in blood we have spilled,
Because we forgot your love.
Forgive us for the curse
Which we unjustly placed on the name of the Jews.
Forgive us,
For crucifying you a second time.
For we knew not what we were doing.

Pope John XXIII


Philip Mathews

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Subject: [13texan] Re: "...the beauty of your chosen people"
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:37:02 -0700
From: philnancy@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

philnanc-@aol.com wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/13texan/?start=491
>
> Now what are you doing, Androgyne?  Are you invoking the words
> of a Pope as if he were the spokesman for all Christians?

He is the spokesman for more Christians than any other on earth.

 Or, are
> you trying to demonstrate the effectiveness of concerted Jewish
> efforts against anything perceived to be detrimental to their group,
> of which one has historically been Catholicism?
>

There is no concerted Jewish effort against the Catholic church. The
history you speak of is long gone, and the modern church, along with
truly religious people everywhere, reject the racial, ethnic and
religious hatreds which for so long created artificial differences
between human beings. Those clinging to these differences are but a
small fringe, increasingly anachronistic all over the world.

Philip Mathews

> Reiv
>
> On 29 Aug 99, at 18:07, philnancy@aol.com wrote:
>
> > We recognize today
> > That many centuries of blindness
> > Have veiled our eyes,
> > So that we no longer see the beauty of your chosen people
> > And no longer recognize the features
> > Of our firstborn brother.
> > We know now that the Mark of Cain is on our forehead.
> > Over the course of centuries our brother Abel
> > Has lain in blood we have spilled,
> > Because we forgot your love.
> > Forgive us for the curse
> > Which we unjustly placed on the name of the Jews.
> > Forgive us,
> > For crucifying you a second time.
> > For we knew not what we were doing.
> >
> > Pope John XXIII
> > 
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Poland: Mass Graves?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:32:43 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

In a message dated 8/29/99 3:48:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< because the Nazis knew that many would die that way, and that suited their
 purpose. >>

    Now you know what the Nazis knew? That is amazing how smart the Jews
think that they are. That is why Jews invent awards, to give themselves
praise!
    If you will note, That there are few people who trust the media, and who
controls the media? JEWS
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 8/29/99 3:48:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< The Nazis, of course, did not die of typhus at the camps, nor did they
starve
to death as their victims did. >>

You know without a shadow of a doubt that the Nazis didn't die of typhus? Nor
did they starve to death? I can prove other wise but why share my wealth of
information to a vague person such as yourself? When you can provide me with
more information than you have other than typing to see yourself type, then I
will educate you.
Michael Snead
14/88



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Subject: [13texan] DISPATCH 76-77 BY: STANDRING
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:50:08 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

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Subject: [13texan] DISPATCH 76-77 BY: STANDRING
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:52:04 -0400
From: Charles 
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

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                           WHO WAS THE FIRST JEW

We know that Smil was the first king of Israel, end that John was the first
man called Baptist. But who was the first Jews Neither Adam,Seth or Noah are
called Jews. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a Jew
and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called Jews. You won't rind the word
Jew in the First eleven books of the Bible.

THE FIRST TIME JEWS ARE MENTIONED IN THEBIBLE,IS IN 2ND KINGS 16:6, WHERE WE
FIND THE SYRIANS WHO WERE AlLIED WITH ISRAEL " AND DRAVE THE JEWS FROM
ELATH."

Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of God1s word
before we find Mr. Jew. Moses as we know, wrote the first five books of the
Bible He wandered through the wilderness for forty years, and he couldn't
find a Jew anywhere. Yet those who call themselves Jews today claim the
first five books of the Bible, and call it their Torah. We find it very
strange that those who say they are Jews, claim five books of the Bible,
none of which mentions the word Jew. Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation
2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but
are the SYNAGOGE OF SATAN."

We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham, Genesis 17:5, and
that God changed the name of Jacob to Israel Genesis 32:28, but no-where in
the Bible do we find that God changed the name of Israel to Jew. THEREFORE
THERE IS NO AUTHORITY BY WHICH THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE JEWS CAN CLAIM TO BE
ISRAEL."

By the time of Jesus, the word Edom and Edo~ite had been translated by Greek
and Latin into Idumae a-Ioudaios-Iudaeus, also including in this meaning
were the terms Judea-Judean, or persons living in Judea. The original King
James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into lewes. It
wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew
appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite. We must therefore
conclude that the first Jews were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain,
according to the Bible, that these Jews are not Israel. You will find in 2nd
Chronicles 13:16-17 that Israel and Judah were at war, and Judeh slew
500,000 men of Israel. Israel was the northern kingdon, and had seperated
from Judab who remained in the south.

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                          WHO IS LEGITIMATE ISRAEL

In 2nd Kings 17:6 we find that Israel has been taken into captivity by the
Assyrians. Many claim that this was the end of the ten tribe's of Israel who
had separated from Judah, but in Hoses 12:1 we find that the Isrselites were
alive and well, and had en- tered into a covenant with the Assyrians. They
were to follow the east wind which would take them through the Caucasus
mount- ains and into western Europe, where they would become known as
Caucasian people, fulfilling the prophecy of Nathan to David in 2nd. Samuel
7:10, that God would take Israel out of Palestine and plant them in a place
of their own. These Israelite-Caucasians founded the west -ern nations of
Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Scandinavia, and were
later converted to Christianity, for Jesus told his deciples in Matthew 10:
5-6, "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, but go rather to the lost sheep
of the house of Israel. They did, and the White Caucasian Israelite
countries became known as the Christian nations of Europe. The Jews csnnot
be Israel, for in John 8: 33 they admit they had never been in bond- age. We
know that only legitimate Israel was in Egyptian.and Assyrian captivity.
Jesus told the Jews in John 8:42 "If God were your Father, ye would love me.
Jesus also told them in John 10:26, 11Ye are not my sheep." In verse 27 He
says, "My sheep hear my voice and follow me.'? It is the White Caucasian
Israelite who heard the voice of Christ and became Christian. We White
Causasians and kindred peoples who live in America, Canada and other
countries al~o heard the voice of Christ and becuiie Christian. It is we who
are legitimat. Isr- ael. It is we who have the promise. It is we who are
spoken of in the Bible, end it is with our ancestors Abaraham, Isaac and
Jacob that God made a covenant, and the in- heritance He promised is ours if
we obey His laws. Don't ever let anyone tell you that Jesus did away with
the laws of the old testament. Jesus said in }latthew 5:17, "I have not come
to destroy the law, but to fulfill." Therefore we who are legitimate Israel
are still under the lav, and must obey or suffer puninishment. America is
the great and mighty nation that Abraham was to become, and his household
after him are to keep the way' of the Lord. Genesis8:18-19.

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                              GODS CHOSEN FAKES

The encyclopedia Judaica, published by Macmillan Company, Volume 10, page
94, states in part, "KHAZARS, a people who lived between the Caspian and
Black seas in what is n~ Russia, and may have belon- ged to the Empire of
the Thins, were con- verted to JUDAISM under their Bulan and Obadiah in the
8th. centurv A.D." At the time of this conversion, the nation of Khazaria
constituted the largest land mass in Europe. These Khazars imported rabbis
to instruct them in hebrew let- ters, as they had no written alphabet for
their Yiddish language which they still use. They practice and live by
Babylonian Talmudism, which is the tradition of the elders that Jesus Christ
spoke against. These Khasars who became Jews 800 years after Christ, trace
their ancestry to Japheth through Gomer and Ashkenaze See Genesis lO:2-3
They are known today as Ashkenazim Jews, and constitute the vast majority of
so called Jews in the world today, tho their ancestors never set foot in
Palestine and are not Semetic, These are the people who have occupied Pales-
time which they have mis-named Israel ful- filling a prophecy of Daniel in
Matthew 24:15 of "THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE."
Our support of this bandit state that has murdered and expelled by force the
Arab population, constitutes being "unequally yoked with unrighteousness,
2nd. Corinthians 6:14. We fly in the face of God when we support those who,
"confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and
an antichrist." 2nd. John 7. We would do well to remmber that the Arabs are
decended from Abrahsm through Ishmael and we legitimate semites. It is the
Khasar Japhethites, who claim to be Israelites and are not,who are the
anti-semites. What a shame that millions of young White

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                             THE CAUSIAN EMPIRE

Christians graduate from our public school system each year, ignorant of
these facts about the Khazars. How is it possible for our school boards,
education associations principals and teachers to refrain from teaching our
young people about one of the most important historical events. We must
wonder if this omission is by accident or design. Those students and parents
who want to know more about the Kingdom of the Khazars, should read the
Encyclopedia Bri- tannica in the local or school library. The Caucasian
people are a minority in the world population, and fast becoming so in
America. Mass immigration by non-White and anti-Christian elements has
eroded White Christian voting power to the danger point. Already our young
White people are begin- ning to see the handwriting on the wall. Few of them
can afford to buy a house, and Mr. Alien has taken many of the jobs. Our
young people are forced to pay high taxes which keeps them broke and to
subsidise those who won't work. They' also face being drafted and placed
under a variety of non- Caucasians who care more for their own race than
they do for White Christians. It is time our young White people under- stood
that the future of White Civilisat- ion is in their hands, and that they
have been misinformed and misled by their eld- ers, who may not have known
better, or were afraid to take a stand for fear of losing their jobs,
business or pensions. We are told in Luke 19:13 to "Occupy till I come."
This means elect our own people to public office. In Luke 22:36 Jesus told
his disciples,"he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
This tells us to arm ourselves. Exodus 18:21 instructs us to appoint "able
men to lead ten, fifty, hundreds, thousands." Young White men who read this
should get busy and establish a Christian Identity Church.

                         WRITTEN BY: JOHN STANDRING

             "PERMISSION GRANTED TO REPRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE "

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Subject: [13texan] Re: Doubting Thomases
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:09:12 EDT
From: SNEADSTER@aol.com
Reply-To: 13texan@egroups.com
To: 13texan@egroups.com

HERB,
         The estimates have been lowered twice because of the bad estimates
and was never advertised. In 1949 it was reported by the media that 15
million Jews were murdered. Then from the census that had been taken in 1940
through out Europe there was only 18 million Jews in all of Europe!  With the
Census of 1950 of all of Europe there was 15 million Jews and 2 million had
came to the United States  from 1940-1950 and just over 650,000 to Jerusalem
and Telaviv. Get your calculator out Herbie and tell me that the Nazis killed
6 million Jews and I will have to call you a Liar!!!
    By 1956 the Jewish controlled publication firms had quietly lowered the
Holohoax number to 7 million and tried desperately to fudge the numbers of
the census but that was too late.  In 1971 the history books were  saying
that the estimated number of Jews killed in the Holohoax was 6 million.
    The true number of deaths in the Holohoax at the 20 concentration camps
was 155,694 with each documented death stemming from Disease, natural causes,
and of course the firing squad for the trouble makers.
Michael Snead
14/88

In a message dated 8/29/99 3:44:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gormanh@home.com
writes:

<< The figure of 6 million will be increased, not lowered, if evidence
currently
 coming to light since the fall of the Soviet Union is any indication - at
least
 that's what a lot of historians are telling us. There is no indication,
anywhere
 but in your imagination, that the estimates are going to be lowered. >>

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